Fans backing Saints' transfer window business

Ronald Koeman

Ronald Koeman

First published in Football Basingstoke Gazette: Photograph of the Author by , Senior Sports Reporter

Ronald Koeman and the Saints board have received overwhelming support from the club’s fanbase for the work they conducted during the transfer window.

A Daily Echo poll, in which nearly 2,500 people voted, revealed that 95 per cent of supporters were happy with the business that took place over the summer.

At any time, that would represent an impressive figure, but it is particularly striking after a period that featured the high-profile departures of Rickie Lambert, Luke Shaw, Adam Lallana, Dejan Lovren and Calum Chambers for a combined total of about £90m. Some of those departures did not go down well with sections of the fanbase, with the club’s board coming in for heavy criticism.

But fans believe the club have compensated well for that by what they have brought in, via an outlay of nearly £60m, and also by keeping Morgan Schneiderlin and Jay Rodriguez.

Saints have paid out almost £60m to sign Dusan Tadic, Graziano Pelle, Fraser Forster, Florin Gardos, Shane Long and Sadio Mane.

They have also loaned Ryan Bertrand and Toby Alderweireld for the season, with options to buy both players next summer.

Add in the replacement of manager Mauricio Pochettino, who quit for Spurs, with someone of the stature of Ronald Koeman, and throw in a decent start to the season, and it appears fans are largely both optimistic and excited ahead of the rest of the campaign.

Nick Illingsworth, who runs supporters’ website theuglyinside.net, said: “I’m quite happy with what they have done.

“Ronald Koeman and the board have slowly, but surely, got on with doing a good job while a lot of people around them have shouted, screamed and panicked.

“While you can never be sure – because it’s all about results – we seem to have a squad that, on paper at least, is better than last season’s.

“Most people I speak to are fairly happy with it, and think we have got a better manager, a better squad, and are confident the manager will use that squad better.”

Illingsworth also believes that the five high-profile losses were not as devastating as some had perhaps thought, saying Rickie Lambert would need to have been replaced at some point soon, while Calum Chambers – although perhaps the player with the greatest potential – was not a regular in the line-up last season.

He also pointed to the role of Koeman in ensuring the club were able to assemble a strong squad.

“Toby Alderweireld said he joined because of Ronald Koeman and what he had said to him, and I think that shows the big part the manager is playing in rebuilding it,” he said.

“Most Saints fans I have spoken to are very optimistic now, and even the ones who were shouting and screaming a month ago seem to have calmed down and are looking forward to a positive season.”

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8:28am Fri 5 Sep 14

nomorerumours says...

Spot on. Now to prove to everyone that we not only have great ambition but will realise it. A string of good results now will settle down the team and all the fans. This is a great time to be a Saints fan and I have witnessed many ups and downs in the 53 years that I've supported our wonderful club.
Spot on. Now to prove to everyone that we not only have great ambition but will realise it. A string of good results now will settle down the team and all the fans. This is a great time to be a Saints fan and I have witnessed many ups and downs in the 53 years that I've supported our wonderful club. nomorerumours
  • Score: 46

8:30am Fri 5 Sep 14

Buddy SFC says...

The testament to this at this current time is in the current valuations of the players and at this time Luke , overweight and injured is now valued at £18 million and LaLa doesn't make the Top 50 i.e. under £16 million ........... Then consider Wellbeck went for £16 million and I can't believe the figures Les negotiated !!

Strength in depth now , just interesting to see if RonKom can make the guys gel ??????

Figures from TransferMarket.com ....................
......
The testament to this at this current time is in the current valuations of the players and at this time Luke , overweight and injured is now valued at £18 million and LaLa doesn't make the Top 50 i.e. under £16 million ........... Then consider Wellbeck went for £16 million and I can't believe the figures Les negotiated !! Strength in depth now , just interesting to see if RonKom can make the guys gel ?????? Figures from TransferMarket.com .................... ...... Buddy SFC
  • Score: 35

8:31am Fri 5 Sep 14

noodlesnewman says...

roll on a week saturday ! i want to see this beast of a team in action ! COYS ! TOP 6 here we come .
roll on a week saturday ! i want to see this beast of a team in action ! COYS ! TOP 6 here we come . noodlesnewman
  • Score: 21

8:31am Fri 5 Sep 14

Ozric Saint says...

I'm reasonably confident that this squad has the opportunity to better last seasons points tally, if that's 8th or better who knows.....COYRS!!!
I'm reasonably confident that this squad has the opportunity to better last seasons points tally, if that's 8th or better who knows.....COYRS!!! Ozric Saint
  • Score: 31

8:38am Fri 5 Sep 14

george chivers says...

The proof of the trading will be in the points gained.
The proof of the trading will be in the points gained. george chivers
  • Score: 16

8:39am Fri 5 Sep 14

legh_langston says...

The problem will be who to leave out.
It must be a little disappointing for some of the young home developed players to find their route to the first team blocked by purchases from outside, or will this just make them try harder?
The problem will be who to leave out. It must be a little disappointing for some of the young home developed players to find their route to the first team blocked by purchases from outside, or will this just make them try harder? legh_langston
  • Score: 12

8:39am Fri 5 Sep 14

frenchvic says...

I am a very happy bunney, and am now looking forward to the rest of the season. It seems that some posters have concerns about the two centre backs, but in all honesty who had heard of Lovren before he signed for us.
I am a very happy bunney, and am now looking forward to the rest of the season. It seems that some posters have concerns about the two centre backs, but in all honesty who had heard of Lovren before he signed for us. frenchvic
  • Score: 23

8:41am Fri 5 Sep 14

frenchvic says...

Sorry, fans not posters.
Sorry, fans not posters. frenchvic
  • Score: 6

8:45am Fri 5 Sep 14

warrens 76 says...

I hate the way that the soul of football has been bought by corporate mercenaries…to a point is was ever thus but the unholy collusion with FFP and the bare faced admittance that huge transfers and big marketing promotes 'the brand' from EUFA's vice president shows the name of the game..

..the FA with the Prem are no different they really do not want a Leicester, Swansea etc turning of hundreds of global plastic fans..

..so unless a complete breakaway could be engineered and it cannot it would only play into the 'elites hands what we have in football today will only get worse.

However these clubs achilles hill in their agreements with McSamFordRates is that succes is part of the equation and it is possible to slip up and be in serious trouble..

United a case in point…Chelsea only did not go Leeds way because of Abromo…

The tools in our armory are a great youth set up (being copied though) and a continuous style of play which like LFC in the 60'70'80's the correct and not necessarily superstar players can walk straight into and thrive.

Even the mighty Real Madrid almost lost to thir extremely poor city brethren a team of Galacico's costing almost half a billion against a team assembled for 0ne fifth…

..the wages gap will open, the financial gap may become a chasm however the differences between teams with the adoption of universal training, nutrition and fitness methods is also closing the performance gap.

It is why referee's are essential to the needs of big clubs as that one decision is now often the difference….
I hate the way that the soul of football has been bought by corporate mercenaries…to a point is was ever thus but the unholy collusion with FFP and the bare faced admittance that huge transfers and big marketing promotes 'the brand' from EUFA's vice president shows the name of the game.. ..the FA with the Prem are no different they really do not want a Leicester, Swansea etc turning of hundreds of global plastic fans.. ..so unless a complete breakaway could be engineered and it cannot it would only play into the 'elites hands what we have in football today will only get worse. However these clubs achilles hill in their agreements with McSamFordRates is that succes is part of the equation and it is possible to slip up and be in serious trouble.. United a case in point…Chelsea only did not go Leeds way because of Abromo… The tools in our armory are a great youth set up (being copied though) and a continuous style of play which like LFC in the 60'70'80's the correct and not necessarily superstar players can walk straight into and thrive. Even the mighty Real Madrid almost lost to thir extremely poor city brethren a team of Galacico's costing almost half a billion against a team assembled for 0ne fifth… ..the wages gap will open, the financial gap may become a chasm however the differences between teams with the adoption of universal training, nutrition and fitness methods is also closing the performance gap. It is why referee's are essential to the needs of big clubs as that one decision is now often the difference…. warrens 76
  • Score: 13

8:46am Fri 5 Sep 14

Clever Dick says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
The testament to this at this current time is in the current valuations of the players and at this time Luke , overweight and injured is now valued at £18 million and LaLa doesn't make the Top 50 i.e. under £16 million ........... Then consider Wellbeck went for £16 million and I can't believe the figures Les negotiated !!

Strength in depth now , just interesting to see if RonKom can make the guys gel ??????

Figures from TransferMarket.com ....................

......
I would have put Lalanna at around the £10 million mark. £27 million for an 18 year old was just ridiculous. £16 million for CC was pretty over the top too but considering the number of games he played that's also a good amount. I would have thought we could have got some very good add ons in his case because he could go on to bigger things than LS. At least he has gone to a properly big club like Arsenal and not wannabees like Spuds and Skivers. With Love himself Lovren at least we made a very heavy profit and it looks like we have brought in a very adequate replacement in Alderweireld. SRL speaks for himself. He went with the proper amount of respect and dignity. If only some of the others could learn to appreciate why they are where they are today. All in all things are looking pretty exciting again. I expect season tickets sales have picked up this week again and hopefully RK can get the new squad gelling as a team pretty quickly.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: The testament to this at this current time is in the current valuations of the players and at this time Luke , overweight and injured is now valued at £18 million and LaLa doesn't make the Top 50 i.e. under £16 million ........... Then consider Wellbeck went for £16 million and I can't believe the figures Les negotiated !! Strength in depth now , just interesting to see if RonKom can make the guys gel ?????? Figures from TransferMarket.com .................... ......[/p][/quote]I would have put Lalanna at around the £10 million mark. £27 million for an 18 year old was just ridiculous. £16 million for CC was pretty over the top too but considering the number of games he played that's also a good amount. I would have thought we could have got some very good add ons in his case because he could go on to bigger things than LS. At least he has gone to a properly big club like Arsenal and not wannabees like Spuds and Skivers. With Love himself Lovren at least we made a very heavy profit and it looks like we have brought in a very adequate replacement in Alderweireld. SRL speaks for himself. He went with the proper amount of respect and dignity. If only some of the others could learn to appreciate why they are where they are today. All in all things are looking pretty exciting again. I expect season tickets sales have picked up this week again and hopefully RK can get the new squad gelling as a team pretty quickly. Clever Dick
  • Score: 16

8:47am Fri 5 Sep 14

gadge60 says...

Congratulations to KL for showing us that she is not only a smart operator but also straight out of her fathers mold. I am looking forward to a really exciting season. We have a really good squad, a world class academy and and the coolest manager in the PL. COYR
Congratulations to KL for showing us that she is not only a smart operator but also straight out of her fathers mold. I am looking forward to a really exciting season. We have a really good squad, a world class academy and and the coolest manager in the PL. COYR gadge60
  • Score: 51

8:52am Fri 5 Sep 14

kingsaint76 says...

All looks good on paper, we've replaced like for like and added a few more for squad depth. What particularly pleases me is the contribution that Koeman has had in securing the signings, persuading people to sign for us over the potential likes of arsenal and spurs is testament to the weight of the word of this footballing legend. Ronald Koeman is at Southampton, I have to pinch myself!! Koeman says how it is, he knows we're not going to win the league and admits that if players do well for us they might secure a move to a bigger club (sadio video) that's cold fact and honesty, we need that in football! Our last five years, exciting as they were, were built on over inflated promises and over inflated egos, we've now got a club which thrives on honesty and integrity and hopefully a top 10 finish!! And this Sadio Mane looks like a speed demon, with him and Long providing competition for each other and Pelle and Rodriguez also, what a forward line!!!
All looks good on paper, we've replaced like for like and added a few more for squad depth. What particularly pleases me is the contribution that Koeman has had in securing the signings, persuading people to sign for us over the potential likes of arsenal and spurs is testament to the weight of the word of this footballing legend. Ronald Koeman is at Southampton, I have to pinch myself!! Koeman says how it is, he knows we're not going to win the league and admits that if players do well for us they might secure a move to a bigger club (sadio video) that's cold fact and honesty, we need that in football! Our last five years, exciting as they were, were built on over inflated promises and over inflated egos, we've now got a club which thrives on honesty and integrity and hopefully a top 10 finish!! And this Sadio Mane looks like a speed demon, with him and Long providing competition for each other and Pelle and Rodriguez also, what a forward line!!! kingsaint76
  • Score: 26

9:01am Fri 5 Sep 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

It's all good. To misquote Basil Fawlty,
'We're all Saints together, all differences forgotten, and no need at all to mention the meltdown.'

Right, moving on ........ next weekend, eh? Can't wait!
It's all good. To misquote Basil Fawlty, 'We're all Saints together, all differences forgotten, and no need at all to mention the meltdown.' Right, moving on ........ next weekend, eh? Can't wait! Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 14

9:03am Fri 5 Sep 14

damoose says...

Just read a comment from a Liverpool fan

Brian C Hayes · Top Commenter · Hong Kong
Southampton FC are a superb football club, well run playing truly excellent football. As a Liverpool fan I almost felt quite guilty because of our summer raid, but I have to say I am glad we played them first game of the season as they will only get a lot stronger. Liverpool were quite fortunate to come away with 3 points, a draw would have been much fairer. I believe there young LB is actually the real star of that impressive squad and i am not talking about Shaw. They are my current 2nd team in the lg and I wish them well. I can see them easily making 10 ten and would be great to see them crack Europe. They will be nowhere near the relegation zone
Just read a comment from a Liverpool fan Brian C Hayes · Top Commenter · Hong Kong Southampton FC are a superb football club, well run playing truly excellent football. As a Liverpool fan I almost felt quite guilty because of our summer raid, but I have to say I am glad we played them first game of the season as they will only get a lot stronger. Liverpool were quite fortunate to come away with 3 points, a draw would have been much fairer. I believe there young LB is actually the real star of that impressive squad and i am not talking about Shaw. They are my current 2nd team in the lg and I wish them well. I can see them easily making 10 ten and would be great to see them crack Europe. They will be nowhere near the relegation zone damoose
  • Score: 49

9:07am Fri 5 Sep 14

damoose says...

A good article about us if anybody hasnt seen

http://outsideoftheb
oot.com/2014/09/05/a
nalysis-how-do-mane-
alderweireld-fit-in-
at-southampton/?
A good article about us if anybody hasnt seen http://outsideoftheb oot.com/2014/09/05/a nalysis-how-do-mane- alderweireld-fit-in- at-southampton/? damoose
  • Score: 3

9:11am Fri 5 Sep 14

hedge end bob says...

legh_langston wrote:
The problem will be who to leave out. It must be a little disappointing for some of the young home developed players to find their route to the first team blocked by purchases from outside, or will this just make them try harder?
If you were them would you sit and sulk ??, don't think so, roll your sleeves up and put in 110%. Can only be good for the club.
[quote][p][bold]legh_langston[/bold] wrote: The problem will be who to leave out. It must be a little disappointing for some of the young home developed players to find their route to the first team blocked by purchases from outside, or will this just make them try harder?[/p][/quote]If you were them would you sit and sulk ??, don't think so, roll your sleeves up and put in 110%. Can only be good for the club. hedge end bob
  • Score: 14

9:19am Fri 5 Sep 14

elvis says...

In my opinion we kept the two best players in JRod & Spyder ,as some one else said SRL left with dignity & respect ,Chambers & Shaw went for silly money ,Loovens was vastly over rated & was a disaster against physical players ,such at spuds you don't like last season ,which just leaves Lalana & Judas . I always thought Lalana was one of us so I won't lie ,that did & still does hurt ,as for Judas ,shades of Hoddle I thought saying 1 thing whilst turning out to be full of it . We got WGS that time ,this time we got Rambo ... Hoddle got the boot ,after we beat them if I recall right, & already spuds fans are crying about the sales of Holtby & Sold to (?) Not to mention getting beaten by a very average Liverpool ....so he's already on borrowed time ....just my thoughts x
In my opinion we kept the two best players in JRod & Spyder ,as some one else said SRL left with dignity & respect ,Chambers & Shaw went for silly money ,Loovens was vastly over rated & was a disaster against physical players ,such at spuds you don't like last season ,which just leaves Lalana & Judas . I always thought Lalana was one of us so I won't lie ,that did & still does hurt ,as for Judas ,shades of Hoddle I thought saying 1 thing whilst turning out to be full of it . We got WGS that time ,this time we got Rambo ... Hoddle got the boot ,after we beat them if I recall right, & already spuds fans are crying about the sales of Holtby & Sold to (?) Not to mention getting beaten by a very average Liverpool ....so he's already on borrowed time ....just my thoughts x elvis
  • Score: 17

9:24am Fri 5 Sep 14

Costa Baz says...

I'm looking forward to seeing how the players gel, and how Ronko uses them.
Having seen him leave Wanyama, out of the WHU game, it would seem no one's place is guaranteed, which has to be good for competition. It would also seem that he picks a team to do specific jobs against specific teams, showing proactive, rather than reactive management.

Looking forward, regarding loan transfers, surely there is something wrong with this system when it is reported that Chelsea currently have no fewer than 26 players out on loan.
Something has to be done to stop the big teams buying up the best young talent, only to then lend them out to get them off the payroll. If they had to keep on paying them, they wouldn't be able to afford to stockpile players, meaning that the "lesser" teams could pick up decent players and become more competitive.

But then, the powers that be don't want that. They just want the cosy, big boy, elitist leagues that they currently have.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the players gel, and how Ronko uses them. Having seen him leave Wanyama, out of the WHU game, it would seem no one's place is guaranteed, which has to be good for competition. It would also seem that he picks a team to do specific jobs against specific teams, showing proactive, rather than reactive management. Looking forward, regarding loan transfers, surely there is something wrong with this system when it is reported that Chelsea currently have no fewer than 26 players out on loan. Something has to be done to stop the big teams buying up the best young talent, only to then lend them out to get them off the payroll. If they had to keep on paying them, they wouldn't be able to afford to stockpile players, meaning that the "lesser" teams could pick up decent players and become more competitive. But then, the powers that be don't want that. They just want the cosy, big boy, elitist leagues that they currently have. Costa Baz
  • Score: 26

9:24am Fri 5 Sep 14

HECOOK says...

I am just interested to know peoples prediction on how many points we can get this season. I am thinking 60ish?? Thanks.
I am just interested to know peoples prediction on how many points we can get this season. I am thinking 60ish?? Thanks. HECOOK
  • Score: 2

9:37am Fri 5 Sep 14

TGodSFC says...

There’s only one Dutch legend in the BPL and his name is TIN TIN !!

I’m not just saying this because of what has happened and because I’m a lifelong saints fan (thanks dad) but Koeman is a much much better manager than Poch, Spur will learn in good time (Liverpool game was a prime example) he only has one way to play.

I excited by the selection problems we have in all areas of the field, unlike last season.
There’s only one Dutch legend in the BPL and his name is TIN TIN !! I’m not just saying this because of what has happened and because I’m a lifelong saints fan (thanks dad) but Koeman is a much much better manager than Poch, Spur will learn in good time (Liverpool game was a prime example) he only has one way to play. I excited by the selection problems we have in all areas of the field, unlike last season. TGodSFC
  • Score: 10

9:39am Fri 5 Sep 14

TGodSFC says...

HECOOK wrote:
I am just interested to know peoples prediction on how many points we can get this season. I am thinking 60ish?? Thanks.
Just hoping for a top ten finish and a cup final.
[quote][p][bold]HECOOK[/bold] wrote: I am just interested to know peoples prediction on how many points we can get this season. I am thinking 60ish?? Thanks.[/p][/quote]Just hoping for a top ten finish and a cup final. TGodSFC
  • Score: 13

9:42am Fri 5 Sep 14

echo1948 says...

Even with the squad we had before Deadline Day, we were much stronger than almost half the teams in the PL, so I can easily see us making perhaps 55-60 points this season. Would be great to take a few more points from the "Big 4". COYR!
Even with the squad we had before Deadline Day, we were much stronger than almost half the teams in the PL, so I can easily see us making perhaps 55-60 points this season. Would be great to take a few more points from the "Big 4". COYR! echo1948
  • Score: 8

9:52am Fri 5 Sep 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

kingsaint76 wrote:
All looks good on paper, we've replaced like for like and added a few more for squad depth. What particularly pleases me is the contribution that Koeman has had in securing the signings, persuading people to sign for us over the potential likes of arsenal and spurs is testament to the weight of the word of this footballing legend. Ronald Koeman is at Southampton, I have to pinch myself!! Koeman says how it is, he knows we're not going to win the league and admits that if players do well for us they might secure a move to a bigger club (sadio video) that's cold fact and honesty, we need that in football! Our last five years, exciting as they were, were built on over inflated promises and over inflated egos, we've now got a club which thrives on honesty and integrity and hopefully a top 10 finish!! And this Sadio Mane looks like a speed demon, with him and Long providing competition for each other and Pelle and Rodriguez also, what a forward line!!!
I have been longing for the long serving loyal manager since the days of Ted, Lawrie and Chris. Since then we have gone through so many it's untrue. I hoped Pardew would steer us all the way, Nigel was a diamond and then MoPo. The fear I have when I read that the players came here because of Ron is what happens if he moves on for whatever reason? Just like the last lot followed MoPo out the door.

The last few decades have been either we appoint badly and need to sack or appoint well and fail to retain. If Ron does really well what happens if a top four club comes after him?
[quote][p][bold]kingsaint76[/bold] wrote: All looks good on paper, we've replaced like for like and added a few more for squad depth. What particularly pleases me is the contribution that Koeman has had in securing the signings, persuading people to sign for us over the potential likes of arsenal and spurs is testament to the weight of the word of this footballing legend. Ronald Koeman is at Southampton, I have to pinch myself!! Koeman says how it is, he knows we're not going to win the league and admits that if players do well for us they might secure a move to a bigger club (sadio video) that's cold fact and honesty, we need that in football! Our last five years, exciting as they were, were built on over inflated promises and over inflated egos, we've now got a club which thrives on honesty and integrity and hopefully a top 10 finish!! And this Sadio Mane looks like a speed demon, with him and Long providing competition for each other and Pelle and Rodriguez also, what a forward line!!![/p][/quote]I have been longing for the long serving loyal manager since the days of Ted, Lawrie and Chris. Since then we have gone through so many it's untrue. I hoped Pardew would steer us all the way, Nigel was a diamond and then MoPo. The fear I have when I read that the players came here because of Ron is what happens if he moves on for whatever reason? Just like the last lot followed MoPo out the door. The last few decades have been either we appoint badly and need to sack or appoint well and fail to retain. If Ron does really well what happens if a top four club comes after him? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 21

9:53am Fri 5 Sep 14

Saintsayer II says...

damoose wrote:
A good article about us if anybody hasnt seen

http://outsideoftheb

oot.com/2014/09/05/a

nalysis-how-do-mane-

alderweireld-fit-in-

at-southampton/?
A brilliant article giving chapter and verse on the options that RoKo has
[quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: A good article about us if anybody hasnt seen http://outsideoftheb oot.com/2014/09/05/a nalysis-how-do-mane- alderweireld-fit-in- at-southampton/?[/p][/quote]A brilliant article giving chapter and verse on the options that RoKo has Saintsayer II
  • Score: 4

9:53am Fri 5 Sep 14

right back in the bar says...

Costa Baz wrote:
I'm looking forward to seeing how the players gel, and how Ronko uses them.
Having seen him leave Wanyama, out of the WHU game, it would seem no one's place is guaranteed, which has to be good for competition. It would also seem that he picks a team to do specific jobs against specific teams, showing proactive, rather than reactive management.

Looking forward, regarding loan transfers, surely there is something wrong with this system when it is reported that Chelsea currently have no fewer than 26 players out on loan.
Something has to be done to stop the big teams buying up the best young talent, only to then lend them out to get them off the payroll. If they had to keep on paying them, they wouldn't be able to afford to stockpile players, meaning that the "lesser" teams could pick up decent players and become more competitive.

But then, the powers that be don't want that. They just want the cosy, big boy, elitist leagues that they currently have.
Agree. For me Victor's role is the one with the biggest question marks. If this Toby lad or Gardos are comfortable bringing the ball at from the back and joining in with the midfield (as expect Toby A is in particular) then you wonder about Victor because it looks like Ron wants to get the ball forward quickly with midfielders joining in with the front men. Not saying there is no place for Victor - we will still need him when we need to contain teams like Citeh.
Right about Chelsea there was a piece in the London paper last night about them effectively controlling the market, buying talent and loaning it out to what they see as lesser clubs to prevent their immediate rivals acquiring them. Its a sham.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: I'm looking forward to seeing how the players gel, and how Ronko uses them. Having seen him leave Wanyama, out of the WHU game, it would seem no one's place is guaranteed, which has to be good for competition. It would also seem that he picks a team to do specific jobs against specific teams, showing proactive, rather than reactive management. Looking forward, regarding loan transfers, surely there is something wrong with this system when it is reported that Chelsea currently have no fewer than 26 players out on loan. Something has to be done to stop the big teams buying up the best young talent, only to then lend them out to get them off the payroll. If they had to keep on paying them, they wouldn't be able to afford to stockpile players, meaning that the "lesser" teams could pick up decent players and become more competitive. But then, the powers that be don't want that. They just want the cosy, big boy, elitist leagues that they currently have.[/p][/quote]Agree. For me Victor's role is the one with the biggest question marks. If this Toby lad or Gardos are comfortable bringing the ball at from the back and joining in with the midfield (as expect Toby A is in particular) then you wonder about Victor because it looks like Ron wants to get the ball forward quickly with midfielders joining in with the front men. Not saying there is no place for Victor - we will still need him when we need to contain teams like Citeh. Right about Chelsea there was a piece in the London paper last night about them effectively controlling the market, buying talent and loaning it out to what they see as lesser clubs to prevent their immediate rivals acquiring them. Its a sham. right back in the bar
  • Score: 8

10:38am Fri 5 Sep 14

red&whitemachine says...

TGodSFC wrote:
There’s only one Dutch legend in the BPL and his name is TIN TIN !!

I’m not just saying this because of what has happened and because I’m a lifelong saints fan (thanks dad) but Koeman is a much much better manager than Poch, Spur will learn in good time (Liverpool game was a prime example) he only has one way to play.

I excited by the selection problems we have in all areas of the field, unlike last season.
Tin Tin is actually one of the few famous Belgians. Toby is one of the others.
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: There’s only one Dutch legend in the BPL and his name is TIN TIN !! I’m not just saying this because of what has happened and because I’m a lifelong saints fan (thanks dad) but Koeman is a much much better manager than Poch, Spur will learn in good time (Liverpool game was a prime example) he only has one way to play. I excited by the selection problems we have in all areas of the field, unlike last season.[/p][/quote]Tin Tin is actually one of the few famous Belgians. Toby is one of the others. red&whitemachine
  • Score: 6

10:42am Fri 5 Sep 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

TGodSFC wrote:
HECOOK wrote:
I am just interested to know peoples prediction on how many points we can get this season. I am thinking 60ish?? Thanks.
Just hoping for a top ten finish and a cup final.
It's the cups that excite me now that we've said we're going to take them seriously. I'd happily swap a few places in the league for a cup, in fact do you know I'd take relegation in return for a cup win. The cup win remains forever and we can always get promoted again!
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HECOOK[/bold] wrote: I am just interested to know peoples prediction on how many points we can get this season. I am thinking 60ish?? Thanks.[/p][/quote]Just hoping for a top ten finish and a cup final.[/p][/quote]It's the cups that excite me now that we've said we're going to take them seriously. I'd happily swap a few places in the league for a cup, in fact do you know I'd take relegation in return for a cup win. The cup win remains forever and we can always get promoted again! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -14

10:57am Fri 5 Sep 14

Alicesdad says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
It's all good. To misquote Basil Fawlty,
'We're all Saints together, all differences forgotten, and no need at all to mention the meltdown.'

Right, moving on ........ next weekend, eh? Can't wait!
Absoluteley .. and even though I dont know what's going on and I predict a riot and I liked this club even before I knew about it, you hate it compated to how much I like it .. the fact is the next match is always the most important thing in the world.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: It's all good. To misquote Basil Fawlty, 'We're all Saints together, all differences forgotten, and no need at all to mention the meltdown.' Right, moving on ........ next weekend, eh? Can't wait![/p][/quote]Absoluteley .. and even though I dont know what's going on and I predict a riot and I liked this club even before I knew about it, you hate it compated to how much I like it .. the fact is the next match is always the most important thing in the world. Alicesdad
  • Score: 3

11:06am Fri 5 Sep 14

Alicesdad says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
HECOOK wrote:
I am just interested to know peoples prediction on how many points we can get this season. I am thinking 60ish?? Thanks.
Just hoping for a top ten finish and a cup final.
It's the cups that excite me now that we've said we're going to take them seriously. I'd happily swap a few places in the league for a cup, in fact do you know I'd take relegation in return for a cup win. The cup win remains forever and we can always get promoted again!
On paper we should get more than 60 ..

Just pause for a moment and think on your cup dreams ... Winning a cup is a really major rush and I love cup competitions... BUT .. BIG BUT .. accepting relegation as the price would see a player departure that would dwarf this seasons so called exodus. I'd love us to win a cup, or even two, but in general I'd far rather we were playing in the top flight.

Just a thought.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HECOOK[/bold] wrote: I am just interested to know peoples prediction on how many points we can get this season. I am thinking 60ish?? Thanks.[/p][/quote]Just hoping for a top ten finish and a cup final.[/p][/quote]It's the cups that excite me now that we've said we're going to take them seriously. I'd happily swap a few places in the league for a cup, in fact do you know I'd take relegation in return for a cup win. The cup win remains forever and we can always get promoted again![/p][/quote]On paper we should get more than 60 .. Just pause for a moment and think on your cup dreams ... Winning a cup is a really major rush and I love cup competitions... BUT .. BIG BUT .. accepting relegation as the price would see a player departure that would dwarf this seasons so called exodus. I'd love us to win a cup, or even two, but in general I'd far rather we were playing in the top flight. Just a thought. Alicesdad
  • Score: 12

11:18am Fri 5 Sep 14

ItalianSaint says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
damoose wrote:
A good article about us if anybody hasnt seen

http://outsideoftheb


oot.com/2014/09/05/a


nalysis-how-do-mane-


alderweireld-fit-in-


at-southampton/?
A brilliant article giving chapter and verse on the options that RoKo has
A very interesting and positive read. Clearly the impression is the Saints have come out of the summer transfer season as a team with equally talented signings as those that left (and a far better manager) but with a squad that will be able to adapt more readily to changing tactics as employed by a more astute and tactically aware manager.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: A good article about us if anybody hasnt seen http://outsideoftheb oot.com/2014/09/05/a nalysis-how-do-mane- alderweireld-fit-in- at-southampton/?[/p][/quote]A brilliant article giving chapter and verse on the options that RoKo has[/p][/quote]A very interesting and positive read. Clearly the impression is the Saints have come out of the summer transfer season as a team with equally talented signings as those that left (and a far better manager) but with a squad that will be able to adapt more readily to changing tactics as employed by a more astute and tactically aware manager. ItalianSaint
  • Score: 6

11:39am Fri 5 Sep 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
The proof of the trading will be in the points gained.
Good use of an ancient proverb George...Socrates, Boethius?
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: The proof of the trading will be in the points gained.[/p][/quote]Good use of an ancient proverb George...Socrates, Boethius? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

11:54am Fri 5 Sep 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
kingsaint76 wrote:
All looks good on paper, we've replaced like for like and added a few more for squad depth. What particularly pleases me is the contribution that Koeman has had in securing the signings, persuading people to sign for us over the potential likes of arsenal and spurs is testament to the weight of the word of this footballing legend. Ronald Koeman is at Southampton, I have to pinch myself!! Koeman says how it is, he knows we're not going to win the league and admits that if players do well for us they might secure a move to a bigger club (sadio video) that's cold fact and honesty, we need that in football! Our last five years, exciting as they were, were built on over inflated promises and over inflated egos, we've now got a club which thrives on honesty and integrity and hopefully a top 10 finish!! And this Sadio Mane looks like a speed demon, with him and Long providing competition for each other and Pelle and Rodriguez also, what a forward line!!!
I have been longing for the long serving loyal manager since the days of Ted, Lawrie and Chris. Since then we have gone through so many it's untrue. I hoped Pardew would steer us all the way, Nigel was a diamond and then MoPo. The fear I have when I read that the players came here because of Ron is what happens if he moves on for whatever reason? Just like the last lot followed MoPo out the door.

The last few decades have been either we appoint badly and need to sack or appoint well and fail to retain. If Ron does really well what happens if a top four club comes after him?
I read in The Times we have had 18 managers in 20 years. This along with changes in the ownership of the club, a succession of directors, and a high turnover of players means we are an unstable football club.
While at the same time being financially sound.

We have had great success during the past five years because we have had stability of ownership and have been a target driven business which has achieved it's goals. Thanks to the Liebheer family. But we have continued to turnover managers. Five since Markus bought the club. Sadly I think this will continue. If Ron is very successful with us he will get better offers from other clubs in the PL and Europe and will go. If he is unsuccessful he will be fired. Those two things I think are a football fact of life. Football managers no longer seek or expect long term employment they move from project to project depending on circumstances.

Ferguson was/is the only manager to have stuck around for a long time recently and remains a highly successful exception in an industry which is in constant turmoil.

This season I would like to see mid table consolidation and Cup success which would bring European football. I don't think we have the squad to seriously attack the top six, although we might get the odd win here and there and some draws when we play them. Hopefully success will enable us to reduce the turnover in players during next close season and kick on the following season.

If that is what the owner/manager/player
s/want to do?

Sadly what we want won't influence what happens. It never does.

STID COYR
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingsaint76[/bold] wrote: All looks good on paper, we've replaced like for like and added a few more for squad depth. What particularly pleases me is the contribution that Koeman has had in securing the signings, persuading people to sign for us over the potential likes of arsenal and spurs is testament to the weight of the word of this footballing legend. Ronald Koeman is at Southampton, I have to pinch myself!! Koeman says how it is, he knows we're not going to win the league and admits that if players do well for us they might secure a move to a bigger club (sadio video) that's cold fact and honesty, we need that in football! Our last five years, exciting as they were, were built on over inflated promises and over inflated egos, we've now got a club which thrives on honesty and integrity and hopefully a top 10 finish!! And this Sadio Mane looks like a speed demon, with him and Long providing competition for each other and Pelle and Rodriguez also, what a forward line!!![/p][/quote]I have been longing for the long serving loyal manager since the days of Ted, Lawrie and Chris. Since then we have gone through so many it's untrue. I hoped Pardew would steer us all the way, Nigel was a diamond and then MoPo. The fear I have when I read that the players came here because of Ron is what happens if he moves on for whatever reason? Just like the last lot followed MoPo out the door. The last few decades have been either we appoint badly and need to sack or appoint well and fail to retain. If Ron does really well what happens if a top four club comes after him?[/p][/quote]I read in The Times we have had 18 managers in 20 years. This along with changes in the ownership of the club, a succession of directors, and a high turnover of players means we are an unstable football club. While at the same time being financially sound. We have had great success during the past five years because we have had stability of ownership and have been a target driven business which has achieved it's goals. Thanks to the Liebheer family. But we have continued to turnover managers. Five since Markus bought the club. Sadly I think this will continue. If Ron is very successful with us he will get better offers from other clubs in the PL and Europe and will go. If he is unsuccessful he will be fired. Those two things I think are a football fact of life. Football managers no longer seek or expect long term employment they move from project to project depending on circumstances. Ferguson was/is the only manager to have stuck around for a long time recently and remains a highly successful exception in an industry which is in constant turmoil. This season I would like to see mid table consolidation and Cup success which would bring European football. I don't think we have the squad to seriously attack the top six, although we might get the odd win here and there and some draws when we play them. Hopefully success will enable us to reduce the turnover in players during next close season and kick on the following season. If that is what the owner/manager/player s/want to do? Sadly what we want won't influence what happens. It never does. STID COYR george chivers
  • Score: -3

12:02pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Chapperall says...

Yes it all looks good and in general we are a stronger team with more strength on depth plus money in the bank. Good business definitely. I think Shaw will struggle to get matches and he will lose his England position, mind you the way Baines is playing !
Looking to the season to get really started. This break has been useful for the team and fans to take a breath and get ready to push on.
Shame we are not playing a Spurs soon as they are not that great a team at the moment and it would be a perfect slip in the face to the Argie judas.
A win next week at home please.
Yes it all looks good and in general we are a stronger team with more strength on depth plus money in the bank. Good business definitely. I think Shaw will struggle to get matches and he will lose his England position, mind you the way Baines is playing ! Looking to the season to get really started. This break has been useful for the team and fans to take a breath and get ready to push on. Shame we are not playing a Spurs soon as they are not that great a team at the moment and it would be a perfect slip in the face to the Argie judas. A win next week at home please. Chapperall
  • Score: 2

12:26pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Saints n Winners says...

red&whitemachine wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
There’s only one Dutch legend in the BPL and his name is TIN TIN !!

I’m not just saying this because of what has happened and because I’m a lifelong saints fan (thanks dad) but Koeman is a much much better manager than Poch, Spur will learn in good time (Liverpool game was a prime example) he only has one way to play.

I excited by the selection problems we have in all areas of the field, unlike last season.
Tin Tin is actually one of the few famous Belgians. Toby is one of the others.
Apart from the obvious cyclists like Eddie Merkx, Van Looy etc and the muscles from Brussels, and the current crop of world class footballers - there are quite a few cool ones ie

Audrey Hepburn
Plastic Bertrand
Adolphe Sax (Inventor of the saxophone)
Paul Rubens

Bradley Wiggins was born in Belgium
,
[quote][p][bold]red&whitemachine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: There’s only one Dutch legend in the BPL and his name is TIN TIN !! I’m not just saying this because of what has happened and because I’m a lifelong saints fan (thanks dad) but Koeman is a much much better manager than Poch, Spur will learn in good time (Liverpool game was a prime example) he only has one way to play. I excited by the selection problems we have in all areas of the field, unlike last season.[/p][/quote]Tin Tin is actually one of the few famous Belgians. Toby is one of the others.[/p][/quote]Apart from the obvious cyclists like Eddie Merkx, Van Looy etc and the muscles from Brussels, and the current crop of world class footballers - there are quite a few cool ones ie Audrey Hepburn Plastic Bertrand Adolphe Sax (Inventor of the saxophone) Paul Rubens Bradley Wiggins was born in Belgium , Saints n Winners
  • Score: 3

12:29pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Benali76 says...

right back in the bar wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
I'm looking forward to seeing how the players gel, and how Ronko uses them.
Having seen him leave Wanyama, out of the WHU game, it would seem no one's place is guaranteed, which has to be good for competition. It would also seem that he picks a team to do specific jobs against specific teams, showing proactive, rather than reactive management.

Looking forward, regarding loan transfers, surely there is something wrong with this system when it is reported that Chelsea currently have no fewer than 26 players out on loan.
Something has to be done to stop the big teams buying up the best young talent, only to then lend them out to get them off the payroll. If they had to keep on paying them, they wouldn't be able to afford to stockpile players, meaning that the "lesser" teams could pick up decent players and become more competitive.

But then, the powers that be don't want that. They just want the cosy, big boy, elitist leagues that they currently have.
Agree. For me Victor's role is the one with the biggest question marks. If this Toby lad or Gardos are comfortable bringing the ball at from the back and joining in with the midfield (as expect Toby A is in particular) then you wonder about Victor because it looks like Ron wants to get the ball forward quickly with midfielders joining in with the front men. Not saying there is no place for Victor - we will still need him when we need to contain teams like Citeh.
Right about Chelsea there was a piece in the London paper last night about them effectively controlling the market, buying talent and loaning it out to what they see as lesser clubs to prevent their immediate rivals acquiring them. Its a sham.
It is a sham but it is what it is and we need to take advantage of it - as we have done with Bertrand. I think there is a lot of opportunity for club s our size to pick up good quality players on the cheap who want to play football but have been left to rot in a big club's reserves. Players that otherwise would have cost a fortune had we bought them when they were a star player at a smaller club.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: I'm looking forward to seeing how the players gel, and how Ronko uses them. Having seen him leave Wanyama, out of the WHU game, it would seem no one's place is guaranteed, which has to be good for competition. It would also seem that he picks a team to do specific jobs against specific teams, showing proactive, rather than reactive management. Looking forward, regarding loan transfers, surely there is something wrong with this system when it is reported that Chelsea currently have no fewer than 26 players out on loan. Something has to be done to stop the big teams buying up the best young talent, only to then lend them out to get them off the payroll. If they had to keep on paying them, they wouldn't be able to afford to stockpile players, meaning that the "lesser" teams could pick up decent players and become more competitive. But then, the powers that be don't want that. They just want the cosy, big boy, elitist leagues that they currently have.[/p][/quote]Agree. For me Victor's role is the one with the biggest question marks. If this Toby lad or Gardos are comfortable bringing the ball at from the back and joining in with the midfield (as expect Toby A is in particular) then you wonder about Victor because it looks like Ron wants to get the ball forward quickly with midfielders joining in with the front men. Not saying there is no place for Victor - we will still need him when we need to contain teams like Citeh. Right about Chelsea there was a piece in the London paper last night about them effectively controlling the market, buying talent and loaning it out to what they see as lesser clubs to prevent their immediate rivals acquiring them. Its a sham.[/p][/quote]It is a sham but it is what it is and we need to take advantage of it - as we have done with Bertrand. I think there is a lot of opportunity for club s our size to pick up good quality players on the cheap who want to play football but have been left to rot in a big club's reserves. Players that otherwise would have cost a fortune had we bought them when they were a star player at a smaller club. Benali76
  • Score: 1

12:34pm Fri 5 Sep 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

I was watching 'Legends of the premier League' - Thierry Henry the other day, and was interested to discover it took him 8 games after he transferred into Arsenal before he scored a goal, coincidentally against us.
I feel sorry for the pressure some fans have been putting on Pelle to adjust and start scoring.
I was watching 'Legends of the premier League' - Thierry Henry the other day, and was interested to discover it took him 8 games after he transferred into Arsenal before he scored a goal, coincidentally against us. I feel sorry for the pressure some fans have been putting on Pelle to adjust and start scoring. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 8

12:35pm Fri 5 Sep 14

TGodSFC says...

red&whitemachine wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
There’s only one Dutch legend in the BPL and his name is TIN TIN !!

I’m not just saying this because of what has happened and because I’m a lifelong saints fan (thanks dad) but Koeman is a much much better manager than Poch, Spur will learn in good time (Liverpool game was a prime example) he only has one way to play.

I excited by the selection problems we have in all areas of the field, unlike last season.
Tin Tin is actually one of the few famous Belgians. Toby is one of the others.
RonKo's nickname is Tin TIn. Cause he looks like him... a lot.
[quote][p][bold]red&whitemachine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: There’s only one Dutch legend in the BPL and his name is TIN TIN !! I’m not just saying this because of what has happened and because I’m a lifelong saints fan (thanks dad) but Koeman is a much much better manager than Poch, Spur will learn in good time (Liverpool game was a prime example) he only has one way to play. I excited by the selection problems we have in all areas of the field, unlike last season.[/p][/quote]Tin Tin is actually one of the few famous Belgians. Toby is one of the others.[/p][/quote]RonKo's nickname is Tin TIn. Cause he looks like him... a lot. TGodSFC
  • Score: 2

12:37pm Fri 5 Sep 14

TGodSFC says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
red&whitemachine wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
There’s only one Dutch legend in the BPL and his name is TIN TIN !!

I’m not just saying this because of what has happened and because I’m a lifelong saints fan (thanks dad) but Koeman is a much much better manager than Poch, Spur will learn in good time (Liverpool game was a prime example) he only has one way to play.

I excited by the selection problems we have in all areas of the field, unlike last season.
Tin Tin is actually one of the few famous Belgians. Toby is one of the others.
Apart from the obvious cyclists like Eddie Merkx, Van Looy etc and the muscles from Brussels, and the current crop of world class footballers - there are quite a few cool ones ie

Audrey Hepburn
Plastic Bertrand
Adolphe Sax (Inventor of the saxophone)
Paul Rubens

Bradley Wiggins was born in Belgium
,
way to take it seriously mate, lol. Koeman would distory Van Dam !
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red&whitemachine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: There’s only one Dutch legend in the BPL and his name is TIN TIN !! I’m not just saying this because of what has happened and because I’m a lifelong saints fan (thanks dad) but Koeman is a much much better manager than Poch, Spur will learn in good time (Liverpool game was a prime example) he only has one way to play. I excited by the selection problems we have in all areas of the field, unlike last season.[/p][/quote]Tin Tin is actually one of the few famous Belgians. Toby is one of the others.[/p][/quote]Apart from the obvious cyclists like Eddie Merkx, Van Looy etc and the muscles from Brussels, and the current crop of world class footballers - there are quite a few cool ones ie Audrey Hepburn Plastic Bertrand Adolphe Sax (Inventor of the saxophone) Paul Rubens Bradley Wiggins was born in Belgium ,[/p][/quote]way to take it seriously mate, lol. Koeman would distory Van Dam ! TGodSFC
  • Score: 0

12:43pm Fri 5 Sep 14

george chivers says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
The proof of the trading will be in the points gained.
Good use of an ancient proverb George...Socrates, Boethius?
Del Boy Trotter.

Or alternatively. The proof of the profit will be in P&L.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: The proof of the trading will be in the points gained.[/p][/quote]Good use of an ancient proverb George...Socrates, Boethius?[/p][/quote]Del Boy Trotter. Or alternatively. The proof of the profit will be in P&L. george chivers
  • Score: 0

12:46pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Saints n Winners says...

TGodSFC wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
red&whitemachine wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
There’s only one Dutch legend in the BPL and his name is TIN TIN !!

I’m not just saying this because of what has happened and because I’m a lifelong saints fan (thanks dad) but Koeman is a much much better manager than Poch, Spur will learn in good time (Liverpool game was a prime example) he only has one way to play.

I excited by the selection problems we have in all areas of the field, unlike last season.
Tin Tin is actually one of the few famous Belgians. Toby is one of the others.
Apart from the obvious cyclists like Eddie Merkx, Van Looy etc and the muscles from Brussels, and the current crop of world class footballers - there are quite a few cool ones ie

Audrey Hepburn
Plastic Bertrand
Adolphe Sax (Inventor of the saxophone)
Paul Rubens

Bradley Wiggins was born in Belgium
,
way to take it seriously mate, lol. Koeman would distory Van Dam !
you may be right now. LOL. Have you seen how old Van Damme looks in that drink advert.

Everytime I think of Van Damme - I ask myself - was that Volvo trucks splits advert actually real?
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red&whitemachine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: There’s only one Dutch legend in the BPL and his name is TIN TIN !! I’m not just saying this because of what has happened and because I’m a lifelong saints fan (thanks dad) but Koeman is a much much better manager than Poch, Spur will learn in good time (Liverpool game was a prime example) he only has one way to play. I excited by the selection problems we have in all areas of the field, unlike last season.[/p][/quote]Tin Tin is actually one of the few famous Belgians. Toby is one of the others.[/p][/quote]Apart from the obvious cyclists like Eddie Merkx, Van Looy etc and the muscles from Brussels, and the current crop of world class footballers - there are quite a few cool ones ie Audrey Hepburn Plastic Bertrand Adolphe Sax (Inventor of the saxophone) Paul Rubens Bradley Wiggins was born in Belgium ,[/p][/quote]way to take it seriously mate, lol. Koeman would distory Van Dam ![/p][/quote]you may be right now. LOL. Have you seen how old Van Damme looks in that drink advert. Everytime I think of Van Damme - I ask myself - was that Volvo trucks splits advert actually real? Saints n Winners
  • Score: 0

12:51pm Fri 5 Sep 14

DisplacedFan says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
HECOOK wrote:
I am just interested to know peoples prediction on how many points we can get this season. I am thinking 60ish?? Thanks.
Just hoping for a top ten finish and a cup final.
It's the cups that excite me now that we've said we're going to take them seriously. I'd happily swap a few places in the league for a cup, in fact do you know I'd take relegation in return for a cup win. The cup win remains forever and we can always get promoted again!
You sound like 5 Trophies. Lol.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HECOOK[/bold] wrote: I am just interested to know peoples prediction on how many points we can get this season. I am thinking 60ish?? Thanks.[/p][/quote]Just hoping for a top ten finish and a cup final.[/p][/quote]It's the cups that excite me now that we've said we're going to take them seriously. I'd happily swap a few places in the league for a cup, in fact do you know I'd take relegation in return for a cup win. The cup win remains forever and we can always get promoted again![/p][/quote]You sound like 5 Trophies. Lol. DisplacedFan
  • Score: 1

12:53pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
The proof of the trading will be in the points gained.
Good use of an ancient proverb George...Socrates, Boethius?
Del Boy Trotter.

Or alternatively. The proof of the profit will be in P&L.
Mangetout mangetout !! This time next year,the board could be mullionaires!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: The proof of the trading will be in the points gained.[/p][/quote]Good use of an ancient proverb George...Socrates, Boethius?[/p][/quote]Del Boy Trotter. Or alternatively. The proof of the profit will be in P&L.[/p][/quote]Mangetout mangetout !! This time next year,the board could be mullionaires! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

1:21pm Fri 5 Sep 14

TGodSFC says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
red&whitemachine wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
There’s only one Dutch legend in the BPL and his name is TIN TIN !!

I’m not just saying this because of what has happened and because I’m a lifelong saints fan (thanks dad) but Koeman is a much much better manager than Poch, Spur will learn in good time (Liverpool game was a prime example) he only has one way to play.

I excited by the selection problems we have in all areas of the field, unlike last season.
Tin Tin is actually one of the few famous Belgians. Toby is one of the others.
Apart from the obvious cyclists like Eddie Merkx, Van Looy etc and the muscles from Brussels, and the current crop of world class footballers - there are quite a few cool ones ie

Audrey Hepburn
Plastic Bertrand
Adolphe Sax (Inventor of the saxophone)
Paul Rubens

Bradley Wiggins was born in Belgium
,
way to take it seriously mate, lol. Koeman would distory Van Dam !
you may be right now. LOL. Have you seen how old Van Damme looks in that drink advert.

Everytime I think of Van Damme - I ask myself - was that Volvo trucks splits advert actually real?
LOL, He is a bit of a "Hard Target", maybe they should remake Double Team and replace Dennis Rodman with Ronald Koeman, lol
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red&whitemachine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: There’s only one Dutch legend in the BPL and his name is TIN TIN !! I’m not just saying this because of what has happened and because I’m a lifelong saints fan (thanks dad) but Koeman is a much much better manager than Poch, Spur will learn in good time (Liverpool game was a prime example) he only has one way to play. I excited by the selection problems we have in all areas of the field, unlike last season.[/p][/quote]Tin Tin is actually one of the few famous Belgians. Toby is one of the others.[/p][/quote]Apart from the obvious cyclists like Eddie Merkx, Van Looy etc and the muscles from Brussels, and the current crop of world class footballers - there are quite a few cool ones ie Audrey Hepburn Plastic Bertrand Adolphe Sax (Inventor of the saxophone) Paul Rubens Bradley Wiggins was born in Belgium ,[/p][/quote]way to take it seriously mate, lol. Koeman would distory Van Dam ![/p][/quote]you may be right now. LOL. Have you seen how old Van Damme looks in that drink advert. Everytime I think of Van Damme - I ask myself - was that Volvo trucks splits advert actually real?[/p][/quote]LOL, He is a bit of a "Hard Target", maybe they should remake Double Team and replace Dennis Rodman with Ronald Koeman, lol TGodSFC
  • Score: 0

1:48pm Fri 5 Sep 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
kingsaint76 wrote:
All looks good on paper, we've replaced like for like and added a few more for squad depth. What particularly pleases me is the contribution that Koeman has had in securing the signings, persuading people to sign for us over the potential likes of arsenal and spurs is testament to the weight of the word of this footballing legend. Ronald Koeman is at Southampton, I have to pinch myself!! Koeman says how it is, he knows we're not going to win the league and admits that if players do well for us they might secure a move to a bigger club (sadio video) that's cold fact and honesty, we need that in football! Our last five years, exciting as they were, were built on over inflated promises and over inflated egos, we've now got a club which thrives on honesty and integrity and hopefully a top 10 finish!! And this Sadio Mane looks like a speed demon, with him and Long providing competition for each other and Pelle and Rodriguez also, what a forward line!!!
I have been longing for the long serving loyal manager since the days of Ted, Lawrie and Chris. Since then we have gone through so many it's untrue. I hoped Pardew would steer us all the way, Nigel was a diamond and then MoPo. The fear I have when I read that the players came here because of Ron is what happens if he moves on for whatever reason? Just like the last lot followed MoPo out the door.

The last few decades have been either we appoint badly and need to sack or appoint well and fail to retain. If Ron does really well what happens if a top four club comes after him?
I read in The Times we have had 18 managers in 20 years. This along with changes in the ownership of the club, a succession of directors, and a high turnover of players means we are an unstable football club.
While at the same time being financially sound.

We have had great success during the past five years because we have had stability of ownership and have been a target driven business which has achieved it's goals. Thanks to the Liebheer family. But we have continued to turnover managers. Five since Markus bought the club. Sadly I think this will continue. If Ron is very successful with us he will get better offers from other clubs in the PL and Europe and will go. If he is unsuccessful he will be fired. Those two things I think are a football fact of life. Football managers no longer seek or expect long term employment they move from project to project depending on circumstances.

Ferguson was/is the only manager to have stuck around for a long time recently and remains a highly successful exception in an industry which is in constant turmoil.

This season I would like to see mid table consolidation and Cup success which would bring European football. I don't think we have the squad to seriously attack the top six, although we might get the odd win here and there and some draws when we play them. Hopefully success will enable us to reduce the turnover in players during next close season and kick on the following season.

If that is what the owner/manager/player

s/want to do?

Sadly what we want won't influence what happens. It never does.

STID COYR
George I think both Wenger and moyes would also count as managers who recently stuck around for a long time!

Seed, I would never take a cup win over relegation. Ask the fans of Wigan, brim and of course poopey if they would rather have stayed in the prem or won their cups. I'm sure there would be a few who might say cup but the majority would much rather be in the prem. Promotion is not always a guarantee either, as others said most of the players would go as would the manager and we would be in a much worse position.
Prem must and should always come first with cups as a bonus, a great bonus yes but just a bonus. I would rather we pushed for 5th or 6th place in the prem and gain European football, that would attract better players and enable to keep our better players.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingsaint76[/bold] wrote: All looks good on paper, we've replaced like for like and added a few more for squad depth. What particularly pleases me is the contribution that Koeman has had in securing the signings, persuading people to sign for us over the potential likes of arsenal and spurs is testament to the weight of the word of this footballing legend. Ronald Koeman is at Southampton, I have to pinch myself!! Koeman says how it is, he knows we're not going to win the league and admits that if players do well for us they might secure a move to a bigger club (sadio video) that's cold fact and honesty, we need that in football! Our last five years, exciting as they were, were built on over inflated promises and over inflated egos, we've now got a club which thrives on honesty and integrity and hopefully a top 10 finish!! And this Sadio Mane looks like a speed demon, with him and Long providing competition for each other and Pelle and Rodriguez also, what a forward line!!![/p][/quote]I have been longing for the long serving loyal manager since the days of Ted, Lawrie and Chris. Since then we have gone through so many it's untrue. I hoped Pardew would steer us all the way, Nigel was a diamond and then MoPo. The fear I have when I read that the players came here because of Ron is what happens if he moves on for whatever reason? Just like the last lot followed MoPo out the door. The last few decades have been either we appoint badly and need to sack or appoint well and fail to retain. If Ron does really well what happens if a top four club comes after him?[/p][/quote]I read in The Times we have had 18 managers in 20 years. This along with changes in the ownership of the club, a succession of directors, and a high turnover of players means we are an unstable football club. While at the same time being financially sound. We have had great success during the past five years because we have had stability of ownership and have been a target driven business which has achieved it's goals. Thanks to the Liebheer family. But we have continued to turnover managers. Five since Markus bought the club. Sadly I think this will continue. If Ron is very successful with us he will get better offers from other clubs in the PL and Europe and will go. If he is unsuccessful he will be fired. Those two things I think are a football fact of life. Football managers no longer seek or expect long term employment they move from project to project depending on circumstances. Ferguson was/is the only manager to have stuck around for a long time recently and remains a highly successful exception in an industry which is in constant turmoil. This season I would like to see mid table consolidation and Cup success which would bring European football. I don't think we have the squad to seriously attack the top six, although we might get the odd win here and there and some draws when we play them. Hopefully success will enable us to reduce the turnover in players during next close season and kick on the following season. If that is what the owner/manager/player s/want to do? Sadly what we want won't influence what happens. It never does. STID COYR[/p][/quote]George I think both Wenger and moyes would also count as managers who recently stuck around for a long time! Seed, I would never take a cup win over relegation. Ask the fans of Wigan, brim and of course poopey if they would rather have stayed in the prem or won their cups. I'm sure there would be a few who might say cup but the majority would much rather be in the prem. Promotion is not always a guarantee either, as others said most of the players would go as would the manager and we would be in a much worse position. Prem must and should always come first with cups as a bonus, a great bonus yes but just a bonus. I would rather we pushed for 5th or 6th place in the prem and gain European football, that would attract better players and enable to keep our better players. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 4

1:48pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Saints n Winners says...

TGodSFC wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
red&whitemachine wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
There’s only one Dutch legend in the BPL and his name is TIN TIN !!

I’m not just saying this because of what has happened and because I’m a lifelong saints fan (thanks dad) but Koeman is a much much better manager than Poch, Spur will learn in good time (Liverpool game was a prime example) he only has one way to play.

I excited by the selection problems we have in all areas of the field, unlike last season.
Tin Tin is actually one of the few famous Belgians. Toby is one of the others.
Apart from the obvious cyclists like Eddie Merkx, Van Looy etc and the muscles from Brussels, and the current crop of world class footballers - there are quite a few cool ones ie

Audrey Hepburn
Plastic Bertrand
Adolphe Sax (Inventor of the saxophone)
Paul Rubens

Bradley Wiggins was born in Belgium
,
way to take it seriously mate, lol. Koeman would distory Van Dam !
you may be right now. LOL. Have you seen how old Van Damme looks in that drink advert.

Everytime I think of Van Damme - I ask myself - was that Volvo trucks splits advert actually real?
LOL, He is a bit of a "Hard Target", maybe they should remake Double Team and replace Dennis Rodman with Ronald Koeman, lol
I am just wondering if Pelle doesn't work out this year; could Dennis Rodman or Van Damme play as a target man. Both hard as nails, both really ugly, both can jump to incredible heights, both would keep the CB's busy enough to allow our other players to perform their deeds.
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red&whitemachine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: There’s only one Dutch legend in the BPL and his name is TIN TIN !! I’m not just saying this because of what has happened and because I’m a lifelong saints fan (thanks dad) but Koeman is a much much better manager than Poch, Spur will learn in good time (Liverpool game was a prime example) he only has one way to play. I excited by the selection problems we have in all areas of the field, unlike last season.[/p][/quote]Tin Tin is actually one of the few famous Belgians. Toby is one of the others.[/p][/quote]Apart from the obvious cyclists like Eddie Merkx, Van Looy etc and the muscles from Brussels, and the current crop of world class footballers - there are quite a few cool ones ie Audrey Hepburn Plastic Bertrand Adolphe Sax (Inventor of the saxophone) Paul Rubens Bradley Wiggins was born in Belgium ,[/p][/quote]way to take it seriously mate, lol. Koeman would distory Van Dam ![/p][/quote]you may be right now. LOL. Have you seen how old Van Damme looks in that drink advert. Everytime I think of Van Damme - I ask myself - was that Volvo trucks splits advert actually real?[/p][/quote]LOL, He is a bit of a "Hard Target", maybe they should remake Double Team and replace Dennis Rodman with Ronald Koeman, lol[/p][/quote]I am just wondering if Pelle doesn't work out this year; could Dennis Rodman or Van Damme play as a target man. Both hard as nails, both really ugly, both can jump to incredible heights, both would keep the CB's busy enough to allow our other players to perform their deeds. Saints n Winners
  • Score: 0

2:11pm Fri 5 Sep 14

TGodSFC says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
red&whitemachine wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
There’s only one Dutch legend in the BPL and his name is TIN TIN !!

I’m not just saying this because of what has happened and because I’m a lifelong saints fan (thanks dad) but Koeman is a much much better manager than Poch, Spur will learn in good time (Liverpool game was a prime example) he only has one way to play.

I excited by the selection problems we have in all areas of the field, unlike last season.
Tin Tin is actually one of the few famous Belgians. Toby is one of the others.
Apart from the obvious cyclists like Eddie Merkx, Van Looy etc and the muscles from Brussels, and the current crop of world class footballers - there are quite a few cool ones ie

Audrey Hepburn
Plastic Bertrand
Adolphe Sax (Inventor of the saxophone)
Paul Rubens

Bradley Wiggins was born in Belgium
,
way to take it seriously mate, lol. Koeman would distory Van Dam !
you may be right now. LOL. Have you seen how old Van Damme looks in that drink advert.

Everytime I think of Van Damme - I ask myself - was that Volvo trucks splits advert actually real?
LOL, He is a bit of a "Hard Target", maybe they should remake Double Team and replace Dennis Rodman with Ronald Koeman, lol
I am just wondering if Pelle doesn't work out this year; could Dennis Rodman or Van Damme play as a target man. Both hard as nails, both really ugly, both can jump to incredible heights, both would keep the CB's busy enough to allow our other players to perform their deeds.
I don't think the FA would allow jean shorts to be worn, thats the only problem.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red&whitemachine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: There’s only one Dutch legend in the BPL and his name is TIN TIN !! I’m not just saying this because of what has happened and because I’m a lifelong saints fan (thanks dad) but Koeman is a much much better manager than Poch, Spur will learn in good time (Liverpool game was a prime example) he only has one way to play. I excited by the selection problems we have in all areas of the field, unlike last season.[/p][/quote]Tin Tin is actually one of the few famous Belgians. Toby is one of the others.[/p][/quote]Apart from the obvious cyclists like Eddie Merkx, Van Looy etc and the muscles from Brussels, and the current crop of world class footballers - there are quite a few cool ones ie Audrey Hepburn Plastic Bertrand Adolphe Sax (Inventor of the saxophone) Paul Rubens Bradley Wiggins was born in Belgium ,[/p][/quote]way to take it seriously mate, lol. Koeman would distory Van Dam ![/p][/quote]you may be right now. LOL. Have you seen how old Van Damme looks in that drink advert. Everytime I think of Van Damme - I ask myself - was that Volvo trucks splits advert actually real?[/p][/quote]LOL, He is a bit of a "Hard Target", maybe they should remake Double Team and replace Dennis Rodman with Ronald Koeman, lol[/p][/quote]I am just wondering if Pelle doesn't work out this year; could Dennis Rodman or Van Damme play as a target man. Both hard as nails, both really ugly, both can jump to incredible heights, both would keep the CB's busy enough to allow our other players to perform their deeds.[/p][/quote]I don't think the FA would allow jean shorts to be worn, thats the only problem. TGodSFC
  • Score: 1

2:23pm Fri 5 Sep 14

george chivers says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
kingsaint76 wrote:
All looks good on paper, we've replaced like for like and added a few more for squad depth. What particularly pleases me is the contribution that Koeman has had in securing the signings, persuading people to sign for us over the potential likes of arsenal and spurs is testament to the weight of the word of this footballing legend. Ronald Koeman is at Southampton, I have to pinch myself!! Koeman says how it is, he knows we're not going to win the league and admits that if players do well for us they might secure a move to a bigger club (sadio video) that's cold fact and honesty, we need that in football! Our last five years, exciting as they were, were built on over inflated promises and over inflated egos, we've now got a club which thrives on honesty and integrity and hopefully a top 10 finish!! And this Sadio Mane looks like a speed demon, with him and Long providing competition for each other and Pelle and Rodriguez also, what a forward line!!!
I have been longing for the long serving loyal manager since the days of Ted, Lawrie and Chris. Since then we have gone through so many it's untrue. I hoped Pardew would steer us all the way, Nigel was a diamond and then MoPo. The fear I have when I read that the players came here because of Ron is what happens if he moves on for whatever reason? Just like the last lot followed MoPo out the door.

The last few decades have been either we appoint badly and need to sack or appoint well and fail to retain. If Ron does really well what happens if a top four club comes after him?
I read in The Times we have had 18 managers in 20 years. This along with changes in the ownership of the club, a succession of directors, and a high turnover of players means we are an unstable football club.
While at the same time being financially sound.

We have had great success during the past five years because we have had stability of ownership and have been a target driven business which has achieved it's goals. Thanks to the Liebheer family. But we have continued to turnover managers. Five since Markus bought the club. Sadly I think this will continue. If Ron is very successful with us he will get better offers from other clubs in the PL and Europe and will go. If he is unsuccessful he will be fired. Those two things I think are a football fact of life. Football managers no longer seek or expect long term employment they move from project to project depending on circumstances.

Ferguson was/is the only manager to have stuck around for a long time recently and remains a highly successful exception in an industry which is in constant turmoil.

This season I would like to see mid table consolidation and Cup success which would bring European football. I don't think we have the squad to seriously attack the top six, although we might get the odd win here and there and some draws when we play them. Hopefully success will enable us to reduce the turnover in players during next close season and kick on the following season.

If that is what the owner/manager/player


s/want to do?

Sadly what we want won't influence what happens. It never does.

STID COYR
George I think both Wenger and moyes would also count as managers who recently stuck around for a long time!

Seed, I would never take a cup win over relegation. Ask the fans of Wigan, brim and of course poopey if they would rather have stayed in the prem or won their cups. I'm sure there would be a few who might say cup but the majority would much rather be in the prem. Promotion is not always a guarantee either, as others said most of the players would go as would the manager and we would be in a much worse position.
Prem must and should always come first with cups as a bonus, a great bonus yes but just a bonus. I would rather we pushed for 5th or 6th place in the prem and gain European football, that would attract better players and enable to keep our better players.
True de Helligen. But in recent years (excluding last year at Arsenal and not including Moyes at Man U) without much success compared to Ferguson. I doubt we would keep Ron if he came 7th to 10th for three years on the trot. And if he did probably after the second year he would get an offer from a richer club somewhere else.

I would like to think we could push for 5th or 6th. But the increase in points we would have make compared to last season is so big, especially with our poor record when playing the top six, I don't think we can make up that difference this season. Although our squad is arguably better I'm sure it couldn't withstand injuries to say three key players and a couple of suspensions at the same time. For me success will be mid table consolidation and a cup win but not at the expense of relegation which I think would be devastating to the stability of the club.

As I said in another post the proof of the trading will be in the points gained. For me the jury is out. We should have a good indication of the future after ten PL games.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingsaint76[/bold] wrote: All looks good on paper, we've replaced like for like and added a few more for squad depth. What particularly pleases me is the contribution that Koeman has had in securing the signings, persuading people to sign for us over the potential likes of arsenal and spurs is testament to the weight of the word of this footballing legend. Ronald Koeman is at Southampton, I have to pinch myself!! Koeman says how it is, he knows we're not going to win the league and admits that if players do well for us they might secure a move to a bigger club (sadio video) that's cold fact and honesty, we need that in football! Our last five years, exciting as they were, were built on over inflated promises and over inflated egos, we've now got a club which thrives on honesty and integrity and hopefully a top 10 finish!! And this Sadio Mane looks like a speed demon, with him and Long providing competition for each other and Pelle and Rodriguez also, what a forward line!!![/p][/quote]I have been longing for the long serving loyal manager since the days of Ted, Lawrie and Chris. Since then we have gone through so many it's untrue. I hoped Pardew would steer us all the way, Nigel was a diamond and then MoPo. The fear I have when I read that the players came here because of Ron is what happens if he moves on for whatever reason? Just like the last lot followed MoPo out the door. The last few decades have been either we appoint badly and need to sack or appoint well and fail to retain. If Ron does really well what happens if a top four club comes after him?[/p][/quote]I read in The Times we have had 18 managers in 20 years. This along with changes in the ownership of the club, a succession of directors, and a high turnover of players means we are an unstable football club. While at the same time being financially sound. We have had great success during the past five years because we have had stability of ownership and have been a target driven business which has achieved it's goals. Thanks to the Liebheer family. But we have continued to turnover managers. Five since Markus bought the club. Sadly I think this will continue. If Ron is very successful with us he will get better offers from other clubs in the PL and Europe and will go. If he is unsuccessful he will be fired. Those two things I think are a football fact of life. Football managers no longer seek or expect long term employment they move from project to project depending on circumstances. Ferguson was/is the only manager to have stuck around for a long time recently and remains a highly successful exception in an industry which is in constant turmoil. This season I would like to see mid table consolidation and Cup success which would bring European football. I don't think we have the squad to seriously attack the top six, although we might get the odd win here and there and some draws when we play them. Hopefully success will enable us to reduce the turnover in players during next close season and kick on the following season. If that is what the owner/manager/player s/want to do? Sadly what we want won't influence what happens. It never does. STID COYR[/p][/quote]George I think both Wenger and moyes would also count as managers who recently stuck around for a long time! Seed, I would never take a cup win over relegation. Ask the fans of Wigan, brim and of course poopey if they would rather have stayed in the prem or won their cups. I'm sure there would be a few who might say cup but the majority would much rather be in the prem. Promotion is not always a guarantee either, as others said most of the players would go as would the manager and we would be in a much worse position. Prem must and should always come first with cups as a bonus, a great bonus yes but just a bonus. I would rather we pushed for 5th or 6th place in the prem and gain European football, that would attract better players and enable to keep our better players.[/p][/quote]True de Helligen. But in recent years (excluding last year at Arsenal and not including Moyes at Man U) without much success compared to Ferguson. I doubt we would keep Ron if he came 7th to 10th for three years on the trot. And if he did probably after the second year he would get an offer from a richer club somewhere else. I would like to think we could push for 5th or 6th. But the increase in points we would have make compared to last season is so big, especially with our poor record when playing the top six, I don't think we can make up that difference this season. Although our squad is arguably better I'm sure it couldn't withstand injuries to say three key players and a couple of suspensions at the same time. For me success will be mid table consolidation and a cup win but not at the expense of relegation which I think would be devastating to the stability of the club. As I said in another post the proof of the trading will be in the points gained. For me the jury is out. We should have a good indication of the future after ten PL games. george chivers
  • Score: 2

4:25pm Fri 5 Sep 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

george chivers wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
kingsaint76 wrote:
All looks good on paper, we've replaced like for like and added a few more for squad depth. What particularly pleases me is the contribution that Koeman has had in securing the signings, persuading people to sign for us over the potential likes of arsenal and spurs is testament to the weight of the word of this footballing legend. Ronald Koeman is at Southampton, I have to pinch myself!! Koeman says how it is, he knows we're not going to win the league and admits that if players do well for us they might secure a move to a bigger club (sadio video) that's cold fact and honesty, we need that in football! Our last five years, exciting as they were, were built on over inflated promises and over inflated egos, we've now got a club which thrives on honesty and integrity and hopefully a top 10 finish!! And this Sadio Mane looks like a speed demon, with him and Long providing competition for each other and Pelle and Rodriguez also, what a forward line!!!
I have been longing for the long serving loyal manager since the days of Ted, Lawrie and Chris. Since then we have gone through so many it's untrue. I hoped Pardew would steer us all the way, Nigel was a diamond and then MoPo. The fear I have when I read that the players came here because of Ron is what happens if he moves on for whatever reason? Just like the last lot followed MoPo out the door.

The last few decades have been either we appoint badly and need to sack or appoint well and fail to retain. If Ron does really well what happens if a top four club comes after him?
I read in The Times we have had 18 managers in 20 years. This along with changes in the ownership of the club, a succession of directors, and a high turnover of players means we are an unstable football club.
While at the same time being financially sound.

We have had great success during the past five years because we have had stability of ownership and have been a target driven business which has achieved it's goals. Thanks to the Liebheer family. But we have continued to turnover managers. Five since Markus bought the club. Sadly I think this will continue. If Ron is very successful with us he will get better offers from other clubs in the PL and Europe and will go. If he is unsuccessful he will be fired. Those two things I think are a football fact of life. Football managers no longer seek or expect long term employment they move from project to project depending on circumstances.

Ferguson was/is the only manager to have stuck around for a long time recently and remains a highly successful exception in an industry which is in constant turmoil.

This season I would like to see mid table consolidation and Cup success which would bring European football. I don't think we have the squad to seriously attack the top six, although we might get the odd win here and there and some draws when we play them. Hopefully success will enable us to reduce the turnover in players during next close season and kick on the following season.

If that is what the owner/manager/player



s/want to do?

Sadly what we want won't influence what happens. It never does.

STID COYR
George I think both Wenger and moyes would also count as managers who recently stuck around for a long time!

Seed, I would never take a cup win over relegation. Ask the fans of Wigan, brim and of course poopey if they would rather have stayed in the prem or won their cups. I'm sure there would be a few who might say cup but the majority would much rather be in the prem. Promotion is not always a guarantee either, as others said most of the players would go as would the manager and we would be in a much worse position.
Prem must and should always come first with cups as a bonus, a great bonus yes but just a bonus. I would rather we pushed for 5th or 6th place in the prem and gain European football, that would attract better players and enable to keep our better players.
True de Helligen. But in recent years (excluding last year at Arsenal and not including Moyes at Man U) without much success compared to Ferguson. I doubt we would keep Ron if he came 7th to 10th for three years on the trot. And if he did probably after the second year he would get an offer from a richer club somewhere else.

I would like to think we could push for 5th or 6th. But the increase in points we would have make compared to last season is so big, especially with our poor record when playing the top six, I don't think we can make up that difference this season. Although our squad is arguably better I'm sure it couldn't withstand injuries to say three key players and a couple of suspensions at the same time. For me success will be mid table consolidation and a cup win but not at the expense of relegation which I think would be devastating to the stability of the club.

As I said in another post the proof of the trading will be in the points gained. For me the jury is out. We should have a good indication of the future after ten PL games.
I think most managers would like to stay in the same job for a few years and from what hes said so far I believe Ronnie would fall into that group. Unfortunately we employed a manager who saw us as a stepping stone and wants to get to the to as soon as possible. If Barcelona came calling for Pochaliar tomorrow he would be off in a shot!
Success is all relative, Everton saw success as staying in the top half of the league and getting into Europe every few years, so moves was a success for them, Wenger hasn't produced much in silverware for years but arsenil saw success as getting into the champs league, so Wenger has been a success there.
Looking at the points gap from last season it is quite large, however for the second half of the season we had a manager who wanted out and players who were already dreaming of playing elsewhere.. that cost us a lot of points! Look at both games v spudhampton last season, we could and should have won both, but Pochaliar didn't make the substitutions we could all see were needed. Thats 4-6 points back on spudhampton and there are lots other games we should have got a result in, it makes you wonder why Pochaliar kept subbing liarlanna early in games, our most influential player taken out of the game by our own manager when he was needed most!
Could we close the gap? Yes if we try for the whole season, maybe not this season though but why not go for it. We have better cover in all positions so we should be able to cope much better with injuries and suspensions, 2 great keepers, far more depth in defence, plenty of options in midfield and a whole array of attacking options. Are the players better than last season, I don't know as we haven't seen enough of them yet but the signs are good so far.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingsaint76[/bold] wrote: All looks good on paper, we've replaced like for like and added a few more for squad depth. What particularly pleases me is the contribution that Koeman has had in securing the signings, persuading people to sign for us over the potential likes of arsenal and spurs is testament to the weight of the word of this footballing legend. Ronald Koeman is at Southampton, I have to pinch myself!! Koeman says how it is, he knows we're not going to win the league and admits that if players do well for us they might secure a move to a bigger club (sadio video) that's cold fact and honesty, we need that in football! Our last five years, exciting as they were, were built on over inflated promises and over inflated egos, we've now got a club which thrives on honesty and integrity and hopefully a top 10 finish!! And this Sadio Mane looks like a speed demon, with him and Long providing competition for each other and Pelle and Rodriguez also, what a forward line!!![/p][/quote]I have been longing for the long serving loyal manager since the days of Ted, Lawrie and Chris. Since then we have gone through so many it's untrue. I hoped Pardew would steer us all the way, Nigel was a diamond and then MoPo. The fear I have when I read that the players came here because of Ron is what happens if he moves on for whatever reason? Just like the last lot followed MoPo out the door. The last few decades have been either we appoint badly and need to sack or appoint well and fail to retain. If Ron does really well what happens if a top four club comes after him?[/p][/quote]I read in The Times we have had 18 managers in 20 years. This along with changes in the ownership of the club, a succession of directors, and a high turnover of players means we are an unstable football club. While at the same time being financially sound. We have had great success during the past five years because we have had stability of ownership and have been a target driven business which has achieved it's goals. Thanks to the Liebheer family. But we have continued to turnover managers. Five since Markus bought the club. Sadly I think this will continue. If Ron is very successful with us he will get better offers from other clubs in the PL and Europe and will go. If he is unsuccessful he will be fired. Those two things I think are a football fact of life. Football managers no longer seek or expect long term employment they move from project to project depending on circumstances. Ferguson was/is the only manager to have stuck around for a long time recently and remains a highly successful exception in an industry which is in constant turmoil. This season I would like to see mid table consolidation and Cup success which would bring European football. I don't think we have the squad to seriously attack the top six, although we might get the odd win here and there and some draws when we play them. Hopefully success will enable us to reduce the turnover in players during next close season and kick on the following season. If that is what the owner/manager/player s/want to do? Sadly what we want won't influence what happens. It never does. STID COYR[/p][/quote]George I think both Wenger and moyes would also count as managers who recently stuck around for a long time! Seed, I would never take a cup win over relegation. Ask the fans of Wigan, brim and of course poopey if they would rather have stayed in the prem or won their cups. I'm sure there would be a few who might say cup but the majority would much rather be in the prem. Promotion is not always a guarantee either, as others said most of the players would go as would the manager and we would be in a much worse position. Prem must and should always come first with cups as a bonus, a great bonus yes but just a bonus. I would rather we pushed for 5th or 6th place in the prem and gain European football, that would attract better players and enable to keep our better players.[/p][/quote]True de Helligen. But in recent years (excluding last year at Arsenal and not including Moyes at Man U) without much success compared to Ferguson. I doubt we would keep Ron if he came 7th to 10th for three years on the trot. And if he did probably after the second year he would get an offer from a richer club somewhere else. I would like to think we could push for 5th or 6th. But the increase in points we would have make compared to last season is so big, especially with our poor record when playing the top six, I don't think we can make up that difference this season. Although our squad is arguably better I'm sure it couldn't withstand injuries to say three key players and a couple of suspensions at the same time. For me success will be mid table consolidation and a cup win but not at the expense of relegation which I think would be devastating to the stability of the club. As I said in another post the proof of the trading will be in the points gained. For me the jury is out. We should have a good indication of the future after ten PL games.[/p][/quote]I think most managers would like to stay in the same job for a few years and from what hes said so far I believe Ronnie would fall into that group. Unfortunately we employed a manager who saw us as a stepping stone and wants to get to the to as soon as possible. If Barcelona came calling for Pochaliar tomorrow he would be off in a shot! Success is all relative, Everton saw success as staying in the top half of the league and getting into Europe every few years, so moves was a success for them, Wenger hasn't produced much in silverware for years but arsenil saw success as getting into the champs league, so Wenger has been a success there. Looking at the points gap from last season it is quite large, however for the second half of the season we had a manager who wanted out and players who were already dreaming of playing elsewhere.. that cost us a lot of points! Look at both games v spudhampton last season, we could and should have won both, but Pochaliar didn't make the substitutions we could all see were needed. Thats 4-6 points back on spudhampton and there are lots other games we should have got a result in, it makes you wonder why Pochaliar kept subbing liarlanna early in games, our most influential player taken out of the game by our own manager when he was needed most! Could we close the gap? Yes if we try for the whole season, maybe not this season though but why not go for it. We have better cover in all positions so we should be able to cope much better with injuries and suspensions, 2 great keepers, far more depth in defence, plenty of options in midfield and a whole array of attacking options. Are the players better than last season, I don't know as we haven't seen enough of them yet but the signs are good so far. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 2

4:50pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
kingsaint76 wrote:
All looks good on paper, we've replaced like for like and added a few more for squad depth. What particularly pleases me is the contribution that Koeman has had in securing the signings, persuading people to sign for us over the potential likes of arsenal and spurs is testament to the weight of the word of this footballing legend. Ronald Koeman is at Southampton, I have to pinch myself!! Koeman says how it is, he knows we're not going to win the league and admits that if players do well for us they might secure a move to a bigger club (sadio video) that's cold fact and honesty, we need that in football! Our last five years, exciting as they were, were built on over inflated promises and over inflated egos, we've now got a club which thrives on honesty and integrity and hopefully a top 10 finish!! And this Sadio Mane looks like a speed demon, with him and Long providing competition for each other and Pelle and Rodriguez also, what a forward line!!!
I have been longing for the long serving loyal manager since the days of Ted, Lawrie and Chris. Since then we have gone through so many it's untrue. I hoped Pardew would steer us all the way, Nigel was a diamond and then MoPo. The fear I have when I read that the players came here because of Ron is what happens if he moves on for whatever reason? Just like the last lot followed MoPo out the door.

The last few decades have been either we appoint badly and need to sack or appoint well and fail to retain. If Ron does really well what happens if a top four club comes after him?
I read in The Times we have had 18 managers in 20 years. This along with changes in the ownership of the club, a succession of directors, and a high turnover of players means we are an unstable football club.
While at the same time being financially sound.

We have had great success during the past five years because we have had stability of ownership and have been a target driven business which has achieved it's goals. Thanks to the Liebheer family. But we have continued to turnover managers. Five since Markus bought the club. Sadly I think this will continue. If Ron is very successful with us he will get better offers from other clubs in the PL and Europe and will go. If he is unsuccessful he will be fired. Those two things I think are a football fact of life. Football managers no longer seek or expect long term employment they move from project to project depending on circumstances.

Ferguson was/is the only manager to have stuck around for a long time recently and remains a highly successful exception in an industry which is in constant turmoil.

This season I would like to see mid table consolidation and Cup success which would bring European football. I don't think we have the squad to seriously attack the top six, although we might get the odd win here and there and some draws when we play them. Hopefully success will enable us to reduce the turnover in players during next close season and kick on the following season.

If that is what the owner/manager/player


s/want to do?

Sadly what we want won't influence what happens. It never does.

STID COYR
George I think both Wenger and moyes would also count as managers who recently stuck around for a long time!

Seed, I would never take a cup win over relegation. Ask the fans of Wigan, brim and of course poopey if they would rather have stayed in the prem or won their cups. I'm sure there would be a few who might say cup but the majority would much rather be in the prem. Promotion is not always a guarantee either, as others said most of the players would go as would the manager and we would be in a much worse position.
Prem must and should always come first with cups as a bonus, a great bonus yes but just a bonus. I would rather we pushed for 5th or 6th place in the prem and gain European football, that would attract better players and enable to keep our better players.
At the end of the day it boils down to winning things. It's so important many often go on about 76 on here as England do with 66 - but many others are too young to remember as both were a long, long time ago now.

I remember the seasons in Div with more affection than I do many of those drab years under Lowe where we kept our top flight status but it was an annual battle to avoid the drop. I would easily trade those 27 years unbroken top flight football for say 15 and an FA cup or 5 and a league title.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingsaint76[/bold] wrote: All looks good on paper, we've replaced like for like and added a few more for squad depth. What particularly pleases me is the contribution that Koeman has had in securing the signings, persuading people to sign for us over the potential likes of arsenal and spurs is testament to the weight of the word of this footballing legend. Ronald Koeman is at Southampton, I have to pinch myself!! Koeman says how it is, he knows we're not going to win the league and admits that if players do well for us they might secure a move to a bigger club (sadio video) that's cold fact and honesty, we need that in football! Our last five years, exciting as they were, were built on over inflated promises and over inflated egos, we've now got a club which thrives on honesty and integrity and hopefully a top 10 finish!! And this Sadio Mane looks like a speed demon, with him and Long providing competition for each other and Pelle and Rodriguez also, what a forward line!!![/p][/quote]I have been longing for the long serving loyal manager since the days of Ted, Lawrie and Chris. Since then we have gone through so many it's untrue. I hoped Pardew would steer us all the way, Nigel was a diamond and then MoPo. The fear I have when I read that the players came here because of Ron is what happens if he moves on for whatever reason? Just like the last lot followed MoPo out the door. The last few decades have been either we appoint badly and need to sack or appoint well and fail to retain. If Ron does really well what happens if a top four club comes after him?[/p][/quote]I read in The Times we have had 18 managers in 20 years. This along with changes in the ownership of the club, a succession of directors, and a high turnover of players means we are an unstable football club. While at the same time being financially sound. We have had great success during the past five years because we have had stability of ownership and have been a target driven business which has achieved it's goals. Thanks to the Liebheer family. But we have continued to turnover managers. Five since Markus bought the club. Sadly I think this will continue. If Ron is very successful with us he will get better offers from other clubs in the PL and Europe and will go. If he is unsuccessful he will be fired. Those two things I think are a football fact of life. Football managers no longer seek or expect long term employment they move from project to project depending on circumstances. Ferguson was/is the only manager to have stuck around for a long time recently and remains a highly successful exception in an industry which is in constant turmoil. This season I would like to see mid table consolidation and Cup success which would bring European football. I don't think we have the squad to seriously attack the top six, although we might get the odd win here and there and some draws when we play them. Hopefully success will enable us to reduce the turnover in players during next close season and kick on the following season. If that is what the owner/manager/player s/want to do? Sadly what we want won't influence what happens. It never does. STID COYR[/p][/quote]George I think both Wenger and moyes would also count as managers who recently stuck around for a long time! Seed, I would never take a cup win over relegation. Ask the fans of Wigan, brim and of course poopey if they would rather have stayed in the prem or won their cups. I'm sure there would be a few who might say cup but the majority would much rather be in the prem. Promotion is not always a guarantee either, as others said most of the players would go as would the manager and we would be in a much worse position. Prem must and should always come first with cups as a bonus, a great bonus yes but just a bonus. I would rather we pushed for 5th or 6th place in the prem and gain European football, that would attract better players and enable to keep our better players.[/p][/quote]At the end of the day it boils down to winning things. It's so important many often go on about 76 on here as England do with 66 - but many others are too young to remember as both were a long, long time ago now. I remember the seasons in Div with more affection than I do many of those drab years under Lowe where we kept our top flight status but it was an annual battle to avoid the drop. I would easily trade those 27 years unbroken top flight football for say 15 and an FA cup or 5 and a league title. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -3

5:47pm Fri 5 Sep 14

HighcliffeSaint44 says...

Agree with most of the above comments.
"We're gonna shaft the Magpies on the 13th of Sept'
Da do Ron,Ron,Ron,da do Ron Ron!"

Only one very minor gripe:- Why have we got a relatively unknown sponsor on the bloody shirts??! (Veho....VeWHO??!)
If we had SUNSEEKER for example, the whole world would have heard of them!
COYR! The Stripes are Back. Let's fill St Mary's and get behind the lads
Agree with most of the above comments. "We're gonna shaft the Magpies on the 13th of Sept' Da do Ron,Ron,Ron,da do Ron Ron!" Only one very minor gripe:- Why have we got a relatively unknown sponsor on the bloody shirts??! (Veho....VeWHO??!) If we had SUNSEEKER for example, the whole world would have heard of them! COYR! The Stripes are Back. Let's fill St Mary's and get behind the lads HighcliffeSaint44
  • Score: 1

5:52pm Fri 5 Sep 14

warrens 76 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
kingsaint76 wrote:
All looks good on paper, we've replaced like for like and added a few more for squad depth. What particularly pleases me is the contribution that Koeman has had in securing the signings, persuading people to sign for us over the potential likes of arsenal and spurs is testament to the weight of the word of this footballing legend. Ronald Koeman is at Southampton, I have to pinch myself!! Koeman says how it is, he knows we're not going to win the league and admits that if players do well for us they might secure a move to a bigger club (sadio video) that's cold fact and honesty, we need that in football! Our last five years, exciting as they were, were built on over inflated promises and over inflated egos, we've now got a club which thrives on honesty and integrity and hopefully a top 10 finish!! And this Sadio Mane looks like a speed demon, with him and Long providing competition for each other and Pelle and Rodriguez also, what a forward line!!!
I have been longing for the long serving loyal manager since the days of Ted, Lawrie and Chris. Since then we have gone through so many it's untrue. I hoped Pardew would steer us all the way, Nigel was a diamond and then MoPo. The fear I have when I read that the players came here because of Ron is what happens if he moves on for whatever reason? Just like the last lot followed MoPo out the door.

The last few decades have been either we appoint badly and need to sack or appoint well and fail to retain. If Ron does really well what happens if a top four club comes after him?
I read in The Times we have had 18 managers in 20 years. This along with changes in the ownership of the club, a succession of directors, and a high turnover of players means we are an unstable football club.
While at the same time being financially sound.

We have had great success during the past five years because we have had stability of ownership and have been a target driven business which has achieved it's goals. Thanks to the Liebheer family. But we have continued to turnover managers. Five since Markus bought the club. Sadly I think this will continue. If Ron is very successful with us he will get better offers from other clubs in the PL and Europe and will go. If he is unsuccessful he will be fired. Those two things I think are a football fact of life. Football managers no longer seek or expect long term employment they move from project to project depending on circumstances.

Ferguson was/is the only manager to have stuck around for a long time recently and remains a highly successful exception in an industry which is in constant turmoil.

This season I would like to see mid table consolidation and Cup success which would bring European football. I don't think we have the squad to seriously attack the top six, although we might get the odd win here and there and some draws when we play them. Hopefully success will enable us to reduce the turnover in players during next close season and kick on the following season.

If that is what the owner/manager/player




s/want to do?

Sadly what we want won't influence what happens. It never does.

STID COYR
George I think both Wenger and moyes would also count as managers who recently stuck around for a long time!

Seed, I would never take a cup win over relegation. Ask the fans of Wigan, brim and of course poopey if they would rather have stayed in the prem or won their cups. I'm sure there would be a few who might say cup but the majority would much rather be in the prem. Promotion is not always a guarantee either, as others said most of the players would go as would the manager and we would be in a much worse position.
Prem must and should always come first with cups as a bonus, a great bonus yes but just a bonus. I would rather we pushed for 5th or 6th place in the prem and gain European football, that would attract better players and enable to keep our better players.
True de Helligen. But in recent years (excluding last year at Arsenal and not including Moyes at Man U) without much success compared to Ferguson. I doubt we would keep Ron if he came 7th to 10th for three years on the trot. And if he did probably after the second year he would get an offer from a richer club somewhere else.

I would like to think we could push for 5th or 6th. But the increase in points we would have make compared to last season is so big, especially with our poor record when playing the top six, I don't think we can make up that difference this season. Although our squad is arguably better I'm sure it couldn't withstand injuries to say three key players and a couple of suspensions at the same time. For me success will be mid table consolidation and a cup win but not at the expense of relegation which I think would be devastating to the stability of the club.

As I said in another post the proof of the trading will be in the points gained. For me the jury is out. We should have a good indication of the future after ten PL games.
I think most managers would like to stay in the same job for a few years and from what hes said so far I believe Ronnie would fall into that group. Unfortunately we employed a manager who saw us as a stepping stone and wants to get to the to as soon as possible. If Barcelona came calling for Pochaliar tomorrow he would be off in a shot!
Success is all relative, Everton saw success as staying in the top half of the league and getting into Europe every few years, so moves was a success for them, Wenger hasn't produced much in silverware for years but arsenil saw success as getting into the champs league, so Wenger has been a success there.
Looking at the points gap from last season it is quite large, however for the second half of the season we had a manager who wanted out and players who were already dreaming of playing elsewhere.. that cost us a lot of points! Look at both games v spudhampton last season, we could and should have won both, but Pochaliar didn't make the substitutions we could all see were needed. Thats 4-6 points back on spudhampton and there are lots other games we should have got a result in, it makes you wonder why Pochaliar kept subbing liarlanna early in games, our most influential player taken out of the game by our own manager when he was needed most!
Could we close the gap? Yes if we try for the whole season, maybe not this season though but why not go for it. We have better cover in all positions so we should be able to cope much better with injuries and suspensions, 2 great keepers, far more depth in defence, plenty of options in midfield and a whole array of attacking options. Are the players better than last season, I don't know as we haven't seen enough of them yet but the signs are good so far.
At least 15 stonewall Penalties denied whereas Liverhampton received how many, missed chances indeed WHU, Sunderland, AV all at home before xmas = 7 points dropped inside 12 games.

The weak squad did not help after New Year then even when players returned we still drew or lost games were it was all Southampton FC.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingsaint76[/bold] wrote: All looks good on paper, we've replaced like for like and added a few more for squad depth. What particularly pleases me is the contribution that Koeman has had in securing the signings, persuading people to sign for us over the potential likes of arsenal and spurs is testament to the weight of the word of this footballing legend. Ronald Koeman is at Southampton, I have to pinch myself!! Koeman says how it is, he knows we're not going to win the league and admits that if players do well for us they might secure a move to a bigger club (sadio video) that's cold fact and honesty, we need that in football! Our last five years, exciting as they were, were built on over inflated promises and over inflated egos, we've now got a club which thrives on honesty and integrity and hopefully a top 10 finish!! And this Sadio Mane looks like a speed demon, with him and Long providing competition for each other and Pelle and Rodriguez also, what a forward line!!![/p][/quote]I have been longing for the long serving loyal manager since the days of Ted, Lawrie and Chris. Since then we have gone through so many it's untrue. I hoped Pardew would steer us all the way, Nigel was a diamond and then MoPo. The fear I have when I read that the players came here because of Ron is what happens if he moves on for whatever reason? Just like the last lot followed MoPo out the door. The last few decades have been either we appoint badly and need to sack or appoint well and fail to retain. If Ron does really well what happens if a top four club comes after him?[/p][/quote]I read in The Times we have had 18 managers in 20 years. This along with changes in the ownership of the club, a succession of directors, and a high turnover of players means we are an unstable football club. While at the same time being financially sound. We have had great success during the past five years because we have had stability of ownership and have been a target driven business which has achieved it's goals. Thanks to the Liebheer family. But we have continued to turnover managers. Five since Markus bought the club. Sadly I think this will continue. If Ron is very successful with us he will get better offers from other clubs in the PL and Europe and will go. If he is unsuccessful he will be fired. Those two things I think are a football fact of life. Football managers no longer seek or expect long term employment they move from project to project depending on circumstances. Ferguson was/is the only manager to have stuck around for a long time recently and remains a highly successful exception in an industry which is in constant turmoil. This season I would like to see mid table consolidation and Cup success which would bring European football. I don't think we have the squad to seriously attack the top six, although we might get the odd win here and there and some draws when we play them. Hopefully success will enable us to reduce the turnover in players during next close season and kick on the following season. If that is what the owner/manager/player s/want to do? Sadly what we want won't influence what happens. It never does. STID COYR[/p][/quote]George I think both Wenger and moyes would also count as managers who recently stuck around for a long time! Seed, I would never take a cup win over relegation. Ask the fans of Wigan, brim and of course poopey if they would rather have stayed in the prem or won their cups. I'm sure there would be a few who might say cup but the majority would much rather be in the prem. Promotion is not always a guarantee either, as others said most of the players would go as would the manager and we would be in a much worse position. Prem must and should always come first with cups as a bonus, a great bonus yes but just a bonus. I would rather we pushed for 5th or 6th place in the prem and gain European football, that would attract better players and enable to keep our better players.[/p][/quote]True de Helligen. But in recent years (excluding last year at Arsenal and not including Moyes at Man U) without much success compared to Ferguson. I doubt we would keep Ron if he came 7th to 10th for three years on the trot. And if he did probably after the second year he would get an offer from a richer club somewhere else. I would like to think we could push for 5th or 6th. But the increase in points we would have make compared to last season is so big, especially with our poor record when playing the top six, I don't think we can make up that difference this season. Although our squad is arguably better I'm sure it couldn't withstand injuries to say three key players and a couple of suspensions at the same time. For me success will be mid table consolidation and a cup win but not at the expense of relegation which I think would be devastating to the stability of the club. As I said in another post the proof of the trading will be in the points gained. For me the jury is out. We should have a good indication of the future after ten PL games.[/p][/quote]I think most managers would like to stay in the same job for a few years and from what hes said so far I believe Ronnie would fall into that group. Unfortunately we employed a manager who saw us as a stepping stone and wants to get to the to as soon as possible. If Barcelona came calling for Pochaliar tomorrow he would be off in a shot! Success is all relative, Everton saw success as staying in the top half of the league and getting into Europe every few years, so moves was a success for them, Wenger hasn't produced much in silverware for years but arsenil saw success as getting into the champs league, so Wenger has been a success there. Looking at the points gap from last season it is quite large, however for the second half of the season we had a manager who wanted out and players who were already dreaming of playing elsewhere.. that cost us a lot of points! Look at both games v spudhampton last season, we could and should have won both, but Pochaliar didn't make the substitutions we could all see were needed. Thats 4-6 points back on spudhampton and there are lots other games we should have got a result in, it makes you wonder why Pochaliar kept subbing liarlanna early in games, our most influential player taken out of the game by our own manager when he was needed most! Could we close the gap? Yes if we try for the whole season, maybe not this season though but why not go for it. We have better cover in all positions so we should be able to cope much better with injuries and suspensions, 2 great keepers, far more depth in defence, plenty of options in midfield and a whole array of attacking options. Are the players better than last season, I don't know as we haven't seen enough of them yet but the signs are good so far.[/p][/quote]At least 15 stonewall Penalties denied whereas Liverhampton received how many, missed chances indeed WHU, Sunderland, AV all at home before xmas = 7 points dropped inside 12 games. The weak squad did not help after New Year then even when players returned we still drew or lost games were it was all Southampton FC. warrens 76
  • Score: 1

8:36pm Fri 5 Sep 14

the Newmarket Saint says...

Realy looking forward to comming home for the Newcastle match I think this could be the best team we have ever had , and with BIG RON at the helm the only way is up we could realy challange for a top 6 this year COYR +WS
Realy looking forward to comming home for the Newcastle match I think this could be the best team we have ever had , and with BIG RON at the helm the only way is up we could realy challange for a top 6 this year COYR +WS the Newmarket Saint
  • Score: 2

11:54pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Gamz87 says...

the Newmarket Saint wrote:
Realy looking forward to comming home for the Newcastle match I think this could be the best team we have ever had , and with BIG RON at the helm the only way is up we could realy challange for a top 6 this year COYR +WS
Yeah and Tottenham won't!!! Come on.........all us true saints fans are hoping the same, right????
[quote][p][bold]the Newmarket Saint[/bold] wrote: Realy looking forward to comming home for the Newcastle match I think this could be the best team we have ever had , and with BIG RON at the helm the only way is up we could realy challange for a top 6 this year COYR +WS[/p][/quote]Yeah and Tottenham won't!!! Come on.........all us true saints fans are hoping the same, right???? Gamz87
  • Score: 2

6:46am Sat 6 Sep 14

Oldfan says...

Football has changed and turnover of players and "managers" has to be managed by the club and they seem to have got a lot more right than wrong. All the time we are successful - which is towards the top of our own mini league in Premiership - then we face the same situation each season. The only consolation is that the bubble will burst one day and those teams who are incurred huge transfer debts and wage bills will suffer most.
Football has changed and turnover of players and "managers" has to be managed by the club and they seem to have got a lot more right than wrong. All the time we are successful - which is towards the top of our own mini league in Premiership - then we face the same situation each season. The only consolation is that the bubble will burst one day and those teams who are incurred huge transfer debts and wage bills will suffer most. Oldfan
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11:59am Sat 6 Sep 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
kingsaint76 wrote:
All looks good on paper, we've replaced like for like and added a few more for squad depth. What particularly pleases me is the contribution that Koeman has had in securing the signings, persuading people to sign for us over the potential likes of arsenal and spurs is testament to the weight of the word of this footballing legend. Ronald Koeman is at Southampton, I have to pinch myself!! Koeman says how it is, he knows we're not going to win the league and admits that if players do well for us they might secure a move to a bigger club (sadio video) that's cold fact and honesty, we need that in football! Our last five years, exciting as they were, were built on over inflated promises and over inflated egos, we've now got a club which thrives on honesty and integrity and hopefully a top 10 finish!! And this Sadio Mane looks like a speed demon, with him and Long providing competition for each other and Pelle and Rodriguez also, what a forward line!!!
I have been longing for the long serving loyal manager since the days of Ted, Lawrie and Chris. Since then we have gone through so many it's untrue. I hoped Pardew would steer us all the way, Nigel was a diamond and then MoPo. The fear I have when I read that the players came here because of Ron is what happens if he moves on for whatever reason? Just like the last lot followed MoPo out the door.

The last few decades have been either we appoint badly and need to sack or appoint well and fail to retain. If Ron does really well what happens if a top four club comes after him?
I read in The Times we have had 18 managers in 20 years. This along with changes in the ownership of the club, a succession of directors, and a high turnover of players means we are an unstable football club.
While at the same time being financially sound.

We have had great success during the past five years because we have had stability of ownership and have been a target driven business which has achieved it's goals. Thanks to the Liebheer family. But we have continued to turnover managers. Five since Markus bought the club. Sadly I think this will continue. If Ron is very successful with us he will get better offers from other clubs in the PL and Europe and will go. If he is unsuccessful he will be fired. Those two things I think are a football fact of life. Football managers no longer seek or expect long term employment they move from project to project depending on circumstances.

Ferguson was/is the only manager to have stuck around for a long time recently and remains a highly successful exception in an industry which is in constant turmoil.

This season I would like to see mid table consolidation and Cup success which would bring European football. I don't think we have the squad to seriously attack the top six, although we might get the odd win here and there and some draws when we play them. Hopefully success will enable us to reduce the turnover in players during next close season and kick on the following season.

If that is what the owner/manager/player



s/want to do?

Sadly what we want won't influence what happens. It never does.

STID COYR
George I think both Wenger and moyes would also count as managers who recently stuck around for a long time!

Seed, I would never take a cup win over relegation. Ask the fans of Wigan, brim and of course poopey if they would rather have stayed in the prem or won their cups. I'm sure there would be a few who might say cup but the majority would much rather be in the prem. Promotion is not always a guarantee either, as others said most of the players would go as would the manager and we would be in a much worse position.
Prem must and should always come first with cups as a bonus, a great bonus yes but just a bonus. I would rather we pushed for 5th or 6th place in the prem and gain European football, that would attract better players and enable to keep our better players.
At the end of the day it boils down to winning things. It's so important many often go on about 76 on here as England do with 66 - but many others are too young to remember as both were a long, long time ago now.

I remember the seasons in Div with more affection than I do many of those drab years under Lowe where we kept our top flight status but it was an annual battle to avoid the drop. I would easily trade those 27 years unbroken top flight football for say 15 and an FA cup or 5 and a league title.
Understandable but don't forget it took us 7 years to get back when we went down.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingsaint76[/bold] wrote: All looks good on paper, we've replaced like for like and added a few more for squad depth. What particularly pleases me is the contribution that Koeman has had in securing the signings, persuading people to sign for us over the potential likes of arsenal and spurs is testament to the weight of the word of this footballing legend. Ronald Koeman is at Southampton, I have to pinch myself!! Koeman says how it is, he knows we're not going to win the league and admits that if players do well for us they might secure a move to a bigger club (sadio video) that's cold fact and honesty, we need that in football! Our last five years, exciting as they were, were built on over inflated promises and over inflated egos, we've now got a club which thrives on honesty and integrity and hopefully a top 10 finish!! And this Sadio Mane looks like a speed demon, with him and Long providing competition for each other and Pelle and Rodriguez also, what a forward line!!![/p][/quote]I have been longing for the long serving loyal manager since the days of Ted, Lawrie and Chris. Since then we have gone through so many it's untrue. I hoped Pardew would steer us all the way, Nigel was a diamond and then MoPo. The fear I have when I read that the players came here because of Ron is what happens if he moves on for whatever reason? Just like the last lot followed MoPo out the door. The last few decades have been either we appoint badly and need to sack or appoint well and fail to retain. If Ron does really well what happens if a top four club comes after him?[/p][/quote]I read in The Times we have had 18 managers in 20 years. This along with changes in the ownership of the club, a succession of directors, and a high turnover of players means we are an unstable football club. While at the same time being financially sound. We have had great success during the past five years because we have had stability of ownership and have been a target driven business which has achieved it's goals. Thanks to the Liebheer family. But we have continued to turnover managers. Five since Markus bought the club. Sadly I think this will continue. If Ron is very successful with us he will get better offers from other clubs in the PL and Europe and will go. If he is unsuccessful he will be fired. Those two things I think are a football fact of life. Football managers no longer seek or expect long term employment they move from project to project depending on circumstances. Ferguson was/is the only manager to have stuck around for a long time recently and remains a highly successful exception in an industry which is in constant turmoil. This season I would like to see mid table consolidation and Cup success which would bring European football. I don't think we have the squad to seriously attack the top six, although we might get the odd win here and there and some draws when we play them. Hopefully success will enable us to reduce the turnover in players during next close season and kick on the following season. If that is what the owner/manager/player s/want to do? Sadly what we want won't influence what happens. It never does. STID COYR[/p][/quote]George I think both Wenger and moyes would also count as managers who recently stuck around for a long time! Seed, I would never take a cup win over relegation. Ask the fans of Wigan, brim and of course poopey if they would rather have stayed in the prem or won their cups. I'm sure there would be a few who might say cup but the majority would much rather be in the prem. Promotion is not always a guarantee either, as others said most of the players would go as would the manager and we would be in a much worse position. Prem must and should always come first with cups as a bonus, a great bonus yes but just a bonus. I would rather we pushed for 5th or 6th place in the prem and gain European football, that would attract better players and enable to keep our better players.[/p][/quote]At the end of the day it boils down to winning things. It's so important many often go on about 76 on here as England do with 66 - but many others are too young to remember as both were a long, long time ago now. I remember the seasons in Div with more affection than I do many of those drab years under Lowe where we kept our top flight status but it was an annual battle to avoid the drop. I would easily trade those 27 years unbroken top flight football for say 15 and an FA cup or 5 and a league title.[/p][/quote]Understandable but don't forget it took us 7 years to get back when we went down. george chivers
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