Koeman still pressing for signings

Ronald Koeman

Ronald Koeman

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Ronald Koeman has given up hope of landing Toby Alderweireld but is still optimistic of securing more signings before the close of the transfer window.

Saints had been interested in a move for the 25-year-old Belgian defender, but with Sunderland now leading the race for his signature it seems any possible deal is dead.

Likewise, Saints are unlikely to land Tottenham winger Andros Townsend, with Spurs pulling up the barriers after being rebuffed in their attempts to sign Morgan Schneiderlin.

However, Saints will continue to push for a couple more deals before Monday’s deadline.

“I hope so. We work very hard to bring in one or two new players in different positions but still at the moment that is not done and I cannot say anything about that,” said Koeman.

Asked about Alderweireld, the Saints manager replied: “It’s not realistic.”

And on Townsend he added: “It’s difficult because it’s one of the players on our list but it’s very difficult and I don’t expect good news about that.

“You can’t say completely because it’s football.”

With regards to potential departures, Koeman stated that he did not intend to allow Gaston Ramirez to complete a rumoured loan move to Sevilla.

The future of Jack Cork remains uncertain with a year left on his contract.

Koeman praised Cork’s contribution against Millwall, but the next few days could yet yield a move away if cover at right back arrives.

Koeman said: “Training and playing like he is now and there will come a moment that the club will decide about his future but it’s too early to say others things than I can do now at the moment.”

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4:35pm Thu 28 Aug 14

saintbobby says...

Something funny going on when we are missing out against Sunderland!

We might be dead in the water against "the big 4" but why would players choose Sunderland or QPR (Caulker) instead of RK and the Saints. Money, but why? Time is ticking away and the desires not being met with action.

Last minute signings always do look a bit desperate, if not worrying.

Good comments about Gaston but why is it only we lot can see Jack should get a new contract - like pronto!
Something funny going on when we are missing out against Sunderland! We might be dead in the water against "the big 4" but why would players choose Sunderland or QPR (Caulker) instead of RK and the Saints. Money, but why? Time is ticking away and the desires not being met with action. Last minute signings always do look a bit desperate, if not worrying. Good comments about Gaston but why is it only we lot can see Jack should get a new contract - like pronto! saintbobby
  • Score: 54

4:35pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Why are we being beaten to a player by Sunderland ffs? If it's one of the CL teams then fair enough but this is getting silly. And sign Jack Cork up and try and motivate the lad, he must be getting very despondent.

People talk about how much we got for this or that player and what great business it was. Trouble is not all signings work out - Osvaldo, Gaston and Forren for example - so selling players that have proven themselves in the Southampton team is letting a known quality performer go for someone who may or may not do well and a lot of money can be wasted that way which then doesn't make the sales look so financial astute. Trouble is Les doesn't get that.
Why are we being beaten to a player by Sunderland ffs? If it's one of the CL teams then fair enough but this is getting silly. And sign Jack Cork up and try and motivate the lad, he must be getting very despondent. People talk about how much we got for this or that player and what great business it was. Trouble is not all signings work out - Osvaldo, Gaston and Forren for example - so selling players that have proven themselves in the Southampton team is letting a known quality performer go for someone who may or may not do well and a lot of money can be wasted that way which then doesn't make the sales look so financial astute. Trouble is Les doesn't get that. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 33

4:36pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

saintbobby wrote:
Something funny going on when we are missing out against Sunderland!

We might be dead in the water against "the big 4" but why would players choose Sunderland or QPR (Caulker) instead of RK and the Saints. Money, but why? Time is ticking away and the desires not being met with action.

Last minute signings always do look a bit desperate, if not worrying.

Good comments about Gaston but why is it only we lot can see Jack should get a new contract - like pronto!
Snap!
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: Something funny going on when we are missing out against Sunderland! We might be dead in the water against "the big 4" but why would players choose Sunderland or QPR (Caulker) instead of RK and the Saints. Money, but why? Time is ticking away and the desires not being met with action. Last minute signings always do look a bit desperate, if not worrying. Good comments about Gaston but why is it only we lot can see Jack should get a new contract - like pronto![/p][/quote]Snap! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 19

4:39pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Pragmatist55 says...

He looks a bit of a Charlie frankly.
He looks a bit of a Charlie frankly. Pragmatist55
  • Score: -6

4:47pm Thu 28 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Why are we being beaten to a player by Sunderland ffs? If it's one of the CL teams then fair enough but this is getting silly. And sign Jack Cork up and try and motivate the lad, he must be getting very despondent.

People talk about how much we got for this or that player and what great business it was. Trouble is not all signings work out - Osvaldo, Gaston and Forren for example - so selling players that have proven themselves in the Southampton team is letting a known quality performer go for someone who may or may not do well and a lot of money can be wasted that way which then doesn't make the sales look so financial astute. Trouble is Les doesn't get that.
From what Ron's been saying over the last few days, though a bit vague, it seems to me he's waiting for Jack to show his fight and motivation in training before he offers him a deal, so it's a bit chicken and egg on that one.

Of course he may well decide to walk in the meantime.

There must be more to both these situations than meets the eye. Jack looks quality to the vast majority of fans so how come all of our last three managers haven't regularly played him? Has to be training or personality related because to the paying punters he looks quality.

As for us being beaten by Sunderland, that's a strange one. but there are so many factors the player and clubs can disagree on who knows what's involved.

It's possible in both cases that the people in power are to blame for these situations, but it's equally possible they aren't. It's how much you want to give them the benefit of the doubt I guess.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Why are we being beaten to a player by Sunderland ffs? If it's one of the CL teams then fair enough but this is getting silly. And sign Jack Cork up and try and motivate the lad, he must be getting very despondent. People talk about how much we got for this or that player and what great business it was. Trouble is not all signings work out - Osvaldo, Gaston and Forren for example - so selling players that have proven themselves in the Southampton team is letting a known quality performer go for someone who may or may not do well and a lot of money can be wasted that way which then doesn't make the sales look so financial astute. Trouble is Les doesn't get that.[/p][/quote]From what Ron's been saying over the last few days, though a bit vague, it seems to me he's waiting for Jack to show his fight and motivation in training before he offers him a deal, so it's a bit chicken and egg on that one. Of course he may well decide to walk in the meantime. There must be more to both these situations than meets the eye. Jack looks quality to the vast majority of fans so how come all of our last three managers haven't regularly played him? Has to be training or personality related because to the paying punters he looks quality. As for us being beaten by Sunderland, that's a strange one. but there are so many factors the player and clubs can disagree on who knows what's involved. It's possible in both cases that the people in power are to blame for these situations, but it's equally possible they aren't. It's how much you want to give them the benefit of the doubt I guess. SaintJD
  • Score: 35

4:52pm Thu 28 Aug 14

notaclue says...

I expect Corky and Boruc both to move on before Monday.

"Too early to decide if we should offer Corky a new contract???" There must be something us fans don't know about the situation, but hey ho
Time to hit the road Jack................
I expect Corky and Boruc both to move on before Monday. "Too early to decide if we should offer Corky a new contract???" There must be something us fans don't know about the situation, but hey ho Time to hit the road Jack................ notaclue
  • Score: -38

4:58pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Tony in Liberia says...

It seems our managers have preferred the pairing of Morgan & Wanyama, leaving Cork to fill in when one is out. I can't decide between JC & VW; they both bring something to the team - although the fact that VW was substituted against Milwall, JC came on and apparently turned the game, might gel with RonKo saying that the 1st half was too slow & the 2nd much better, and give JC a route into the team.

I would like to have all three of them, rotate a little depending on the opposition (although MS would always be the first on the teamsheet), but is that enough games for JC to want a new contract? Or for VW to stay happy?

And that's without our other midfielders coming into the equation ....

My sad feeling is that Cork will be on his way, either now or in Jan, unless Morgan leaves, which I would hate to see happen.
It seems our managers have preferred the pairing of Morgan & Wanyama, leaving Cork to fill in when one is out. I can't decide between JC & VW; they both bring something to the team - although the fact that VW was substituted against Milwall, JC came on and apparently turned the game, might gel with RonKo saying that the 1st half was too slow & the 2nd much better, and give JC a route into the team. I would like to have all three of them, rotate a little depending on the opposition (although MS would always be the first on the teamsheet), but is that enough games for JC to want a new contract? Or for VW to stay happy? And that's without our other midfielders coming into the equation .... My sad feeling is that Cork will be on his way, either now or in Jan, unless Morgan leaves, which I would hate to see happen. Tony in Liberia
  • Score: 19

5:02pm Thu 28 Aug 14

CB FRY LIVES says...

What was it that one of our old managers-G.S.-say about Mr Lowe.
Something like nobody called Rupert should be involved in football.
Well what does he say about TOBY.
Memories of an insipid 1960's bitter rivalling Red Barrel in the lukewarm beer stakes perhaps. Drunk from a JUG perchance.
What was it that one of our old managers-G.S.-say about Mr Lowe. Something like nobody called Rupert should be involved in football. Well what does he say about TOBY. Memories of an insipid 1960's bitter rivalling Red Barrel in the lukewarm beer stakes perhaps. Drunk from a JUG perchance. CB FRY LIVES
  • Score: -6

5:07pm Thu 28 Aug 14

buckeroo says...

People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us buckeroo
  • Score: 24

5:07pm Thu 28 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

notaclue wrote:
I expect Corky and Boruc both to move on before Monday.

"Too early to decide if we should offer Corky a new contract???" There must be something us fans don't know about the situation, but hey ho
Time to hit the road Jack................
I hope Ron and the board appreciate that Saints fans quite rate these two players. If not they might get a bit of a shock.

If the only business we do is to lose those two guys it would just tip the balance of many people into feeling negative about the summer trading.

Feels like we're entering the 89th minute at 1-1 (you can alter that by a goal either way depending on your positive or negative persuasions) and it really could still go either way.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: I expect Corky and Boruc both to move on before Monday. "Too early to decide if we should offer Corky a new contract???" There must be something us fans don't know about the situation, but hey ho Time to hit the road Jack................[/p][/quote]I hope Ron and the board appreciate that Saints fans quite rate these two players. If not they might get a bit of a shock. If the only business we do is to lose those two guys it would just tip the balance of many people into feeling negative about the summer trading. Feels like we're entering the 89th minute at 1-1 (you can alter that by a goal either way depending on your positive or negative persuasions) and it really could still go either way. SaintJD
  • Score: 13

5:10pm Thu 28 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
It seems our managers have preferred the pairing of Morgan & Wanyama, leaving Cork to fill in when one is out. I can't decide between JC & VW; they both bring something to the team - although the fact that VW was substituted against Milwall, JC came on and apparently turned the game, might gel with RonKo saying that the 1st half was too slow & the 2nd much better, and give JC a route into the team.

I would like to have all three of them, rotate a little depending on the opposition (although MS would always be the first on the teamsheet), but is that enough games for JC to want a new contract? Or for VW to stay happy?

And that's without our other midfielders coming into the equation ....

My sad feeling is that Cork will be on his way, either now or in Jan, unless Morgan leaves, which I would hate to see happen.
I agree with your assessment on those three - I agree that Jack sometimes comes on and changes the game and I think the ideal situation is to rotate the combinations depending on whether you need a tiny bit more of a cultured player or someone a bit more agricultural.

And, on some occasions, you'd play all three.

I hope we can sort something out and keep them all - that's a fierce midfield wall.
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: It seems our managers have preferred the pairing of Morgan & Wanyama, leaving Cork to fill in when one is out. I can't decide between JC & VW; they both bring something to the team - although the fact that VW was substituted against Milwall, JC came on and apparently turned the game, might gel with RonKo saying that the 1st half was too slow & the 2nd much better, and give JC a route into the team. I would like to have all three of them, rotate a little depending on the opposition (although MS would always be the first on the teamsheet), but is that enough games for JC to want a new contract? Or for VW to stay happy? And that's without our other midfielders coming into the equation .... My sad feeling is that Cork will be on his way, either now or in Jan, unless Morgan leaves, which I would hate to see happen.[/p][/quote]I agree with your assessment on those three - I agree that Jack sometimes comes on and changes the game and I think the ideal situation is to rotate the combinations depending on whether you need a tiny bit more of a cultured player or someone a bit more agricultural. And, on some occasions, you'd play all three. I hope we can sort something out and keep them all - that's a fierce midfield wall. SaintJD
  • Score: 22

5:14pm Thu 28 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

On another matter, while I'm interested in the Champions League draw and love the drama of the competition, there's always a hint of sadness at how it is destroying the rest of the game and lining so many peoples' pockets.
On another matter, while I'm interested in the Champions League draw and love the drama of the competition, there's always a hint of sadness at how it is destroying the rest of the game and lining so many peoples' pockets. SaintJD
  • Score: 27

5:28pm Thu 28 Aug 14

right back in the bar says...

Hard to take - a player we want looks like he would prefer to go and play for the Monkey and a s-h-i-t-e team like Sunderland. Down to wages of course much like everything else that has happened. Will be glad when this is all over and we can concentrate on the football and only the football but we could have really done with reinforcements at the back and a wide player (which might yet happen - Redmond? Do the deal Les.
Hard to take - a player we want looks like he would prefer to go and play for the Monkey and a s-h-i-t-e team like Sunderland. Down to wages of course much like everything else that has happened. Will be glad when this is all over and we can concentrate on the football and only the football but we could have really done with reinforcements at the back and a wide player (which might yet happen - Redmond? Do the deal Les. right back in the bar
  • Score: 7

5:31pm Thu 28 Aug 14

port de soller says...

What will happen to Jack Stephens when the new C/B¨s settle in???
What will happen to Jack Stephens when the new C/B¨s settle in??? port de soller
  • Score: 4

5:33pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

saintbobby wrote:
Something funny going on when we are missing out against Sunderland!

We might be dead in the water against "the big 4" but why would players choose Sunderland or QPR (Caulker) instead of RK and the Saints. Money, but why? Time is ticking away and the desires not being met with action.

Last minute signings always do look a bit desperate, if not worrying.

Good comments about Gaston but why is it only we lot can see Jack should get a new contract - like pronto!
Good post but nothing funny at all. It's simply money as you said. We are not to be taken for a ride by agents or players so there comes a time when the answer is NO.

I was right about this all along, this player plus Clasie were never on the cards.

I suppose it's good up to a point that Ron speaks out, but I'm not sure its always a good idea.

As for Cork, Gaston, J Rod and other rumours I hope we keep them. Cork is gold, Gaston still has potential and J-Rod is still our main striker in the longer term

If the past is anything to go by it will seem like six months between now and Sunday.
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: Something funny going on when we are missing out against Sunderland! We might be dead in the water against "the big 4" but why would players choose Sunderland or QPR (Caulker) instead of RK and the Saints. Money, but why? Time is ticking away and the desires not being met with action. Last minute signings always do look a bit desperate, if not worrying. Good comments about Gaston but why is it only we lot can see Jack should get a new contract - like pronto![/p][/quote]Good post but nothing funny at all. It's simply money as you said. We are not to be taken for a ride by agents or players so there comes a time when the answer is NO. I was right about this all along, this player plus Clasie were never on the cards. I suppose it's good up to a point that Ron speaks out, but I'm not sure its always a good idea. As for Cork, Gaston, J Rod and other rumours I hope we keep them. Cork is gold, Gaston still has potential and J-Rod is still our main striker in the longer term If the past is anything to go by it will seem like six months between now and Sunday. Alicesdad
  • Score: 16

5:33pm Thu 28 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

SaintJD wrote:
On another matter, while I'm interested in the Champions League draw and love the drama of the competition, there's always a hint of sadness at how it is destroying the rest of the game and lining so many peoples' pockets.
And how are Arsenal in pot 1 and City in pot 2? Absolutely ludicrous. Basically they are creating a little money pot and making it as hard as possible for anyone else to get in (or get out of in the case of Arsenal and Celtic). I know City are hardly worthy of sympathy based on their budget, but even so.

Don't like to see players deciding their future on the chance of six big games a season either - leaves a nasty taste in the mouth, even if we've gained and lost from it this closed season.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: On another matter, while I'm interested in the Champions League draw and love the drama of the competition, there's always a hint of sadness at how it is destroying the rest of the game and lining so many peoples' pockets.[/p][/quote]And how are Arsenal in pot 1 and City in pot 2? Absolutely ludicrous. Basically they are creating a little money pot and making it as hard as possible for anyone else to get in (or get out of in the case of Arsenal and Celtic). I know City are hardly worthy of sympathy based on their budget, but even so. Don't like to see players deciding their future on the chance of six big games a season either - leaves a nasty taste in the mouth, even if we've gained and lost from it this closed season. SaintJD
  • Score: 9

5:34pm Thu 28 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

We need some explanations from Les, Ralph & the Board. Why can't we compete with Sunderland & QPR for players. I don't believe it is the FFP, we have been reducing our wage level especially if Gaston goes to Saville.

Loosing out on getting the best quality players to the top six with CL is one thing, but loosing out to our league rivals is unacceptable.

We need quality in before Monday night.

Go for van Dijk or Wollscheid urgently plus Clasie and Cerci before we miss out on them as well.

Whats your problem Les ?
We need some explanations from Les, Ralph & the Board. Why can't we compete with Sunderland & QPR for players. I don't believe it is the FFP, we have been reducing our wage level especially if Gaston goes to Saville. Loosing out on getting the best quality players to the top six with CL is one thing, but loosing out to our league rivals is unacceptable. We need quality in before Monday night. Go for van Dijk or Wollscheid urgently plus Clasie and Cerci before we miss out on them as well. Whats your problem Les ? NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 2

5:49pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Saint Clements says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
We need some explanations from Les, Ralph & the Board. Why can't we compete with Sunderland & QPR for players. I don't believe it is the FFP, we have been reducing our wage level especially if Gaston goes to Saville.

Loosing out on getting the best quality players to the top six with CL is one thing, but loosing out to our league rivals is unacceptable.

We need quality in before Monday night.

Go for van Dijk or Wollscheid urgently plus Clasie and Cerci before we miss out on them as well.

Whats your problem Les ?
My thoughts exactly - losing out to Honest Harry is unacceptable and flies in the face of all the club have told us about ambition.

One other thing: many of the fans I've heard arguing for the Board having a master plan have said that we're loaning players because it'll help our FFP figures for next season and beyond. So how would loaning Gaston fit with that philosophy?
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: We need some explanations from Les, Ralph & the Board. Why can't we compete with Sunderland & QPR for players. I don't believe it is the FFP, we have been reducing our wage level especially if Gaston goes to Saville. Loosing out on getting the best quality players to the top six with CL is one thing, but loosing out to our league rivals is unacceptable. We need quality in before Monday night. Go for van Dijk or Wollscheid urgently plus Clasie and Cerci before we miss out on them as well. Whats your problem Les ?[/p][/quote]My thoughts exactly - losing out to Honest Harry is unacceptable and flies in the face of all the club have told us about ambition. One other thing: many of the fans I've heard arguing for the Board having a master plan have said that we're loaning players because it'll help our FFP figures for next season and beyond. So how would loaning Gaston fit with that philosophy? Saint Clements
  • Score: -1

5:51pm Thu 28 Aug 14

right back in the bar says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
It seems our managers have preferred the pairing of Morgan & Wanyama, leaving Cork to fill in when one is out. I can't decide between JC & VW; they both bring something to the team - although the fact that VW was substituted against Milwall, JC came on and apparently turned the game, might gel with RonKo saying that the 1st half was too slow & the 2nd much better, and give JC a route into the team.

I would like to have all three of them, rotate a little depending on the opposition (although MS would always be the first on the teamsheet), but is that enough games for JC to want a new contract? Or for VW to stay happy?

And that's without our other midfielders coming into the equation ....

My sad feeling is that Cork will be on his way, either now or in Jan, unless Morgan leaves, which I would hate to see happen.
Its incredible that JC often changes the dynamic of the side when he comes on. Incredible because he doesn't do too many direct assists and apart from last night never scores goals. But he changes the dynamic of the team for sure and for me its down to how VW plays. At the risk of inviting criticism I think VW is limited - whilst we are more solid defensively we are too slow to move the ball with him in the side. And really his role should be taken by a dominant footballing centre half (Lovren was never that player; we haven't had that kind of player since Killer and Mark Wright played for Saints).
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: It seems our managers have preferred the pairing of Morgan & Wanyama, leaving Cork to fill in when one is out. I can't decide between JC & VW; they both bring something to the team - although the fact that VW was substituted against Milwall, JC came on and apparently turned the game, might gel with RonKo saying that the 1st half was too slow & the 2nd much better, and give JC a route into the team. I would like to have all three of them, rotate a little depending on the opposition (although MS would always be the first on the teamsheet), but is that enough games for JC to want a new contract? Or for VW to stay happy? And that's without our other midfielders coming into the equation .... My sad feeling is that Cork will be on his way, either now or in Jan, unless Morgan leaves, which I would hate to see happen.[/p][/quote]Its incredible that JC often changes the dynamic of the side when he comes on. Incredible because he doesn't do too many direct assists and apart from last night never scores goals. But he changes the dynamic of the team for sure and for me its down to how VW plays. At the risk of inviting criticism I think VW is limited - whilst we are more solid defensively we are too slow to move the ball with him in the side. And really his role should be taken by a dominant footballing centre half (Lovren was never that player; we haven't had that kind of player since Killer and Mark Wright played for Saints). right back in the bar
  • Score: 11

5:56pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Saintsayer II says...

I thought millions of the income from transfers was to cover wages so how the fcuk can Blunderland out do us
I thought millions of the income from transfers was to cover wages so how the fcuk can Blunderland out do us Saintsayer II
  • Score: 7

5:58pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

SaintJD wrote:
On another matter, while I'm interested in the Champions League draw and love the drama of the competition, there's always a hint of sadness at how it is destroying the rest of the game and lining so many peoples' pockets.
Right on JD. There was always more excitement from the league and the cups,and the chance of a foray into Europe 30 or 40 years ago than the current set up engenders,because every team in the league felt that they always might have had the chance of a little bit of glory from something.Now its just an elitist money making machine,with little or no fairness involved at all.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: On another matter, while I'm interested in the Champions League draw and love the drama of the competition, there's always a hint of sadness at how it is destroying the rest of the game and lining so many peoples' pockets.[/p][/quote]Right on JD. There was always more excitement from the league and the cups,and the chance of a foray into Europe 30 or 40 years ago than the current set up engenders,because every team in the league felt that they always might have had the chance of a little bit of glory from something.Now its just an elitist money making machine,with little or no fairness involved at all. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 22

6:17pm Thu 28 Aug 14

peregrine73 says...

notaclue wrote:
I expect Corky and Boruc both to move on before Monday.

"Too early to decide if we should offer Corky a new contract???" There must be something us fans don't know about the situation, but hey ho
Time to hit the road Jack................
The situation is we have reed and krueger in charge,possibly the most inept pairing Saints have had .Morgan and Jay rod will depart by Jan,given the right price offered!.We need forward and defence strengthening,but will it happen? Its not looking good!.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: I expect Corky and Boruc both to move on before Monday. "Too early to decide if we should offer Corky a new contract???" There must be something us fans don't know about the situation, but hey ho Time to hit the road Jack................[/p][/quote]The situation is we have reed and krueger in charge,possibly the most inept pairing Saints have had .Morgan and Jay rod will depart by Jan,given the right price offered!.We need forward and defence strengthening,but will it happen? Its not looking good!. peregrine73
  • Score: -23

6:17pm Thu 28 Aug 14

saintbobby says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Why are we being beaten to a player by Sunderland ffs? If it's one of the CL teams then fair enough but this is getting silly. And sign Jack Cork up and try and motivate the lad, he must be getting very despondent.

People talk about how much we got for this or that player and what great business it was. Trouble is not all signings work out - Osvaldo, Gaston and Forren for example - so selling players that have proven themselves in the Southampton team is letting a known quality performer go for someone who may or may not do well and a lot of money can be wasted that way which then doesn't make the sales look so financial astute. Trouble is Les doesn't get that.
Snap! Again!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Why are we being beaten to a player by Sunderland ffs? If it's one of the CL teams then fair enough but this is getting silly. And sign Jack Cork up and try and motivate the lad, he must be getting very despondent. People talk about how much we got for this or that player and what great business it was. Trouble is not all signings work out - Osvaldo, Gaston and Forren for example - so selling players that have proven themselves in the Southampton team is letting a known quality performer go for someone who may or may not do well and a lot of money can be wasted that way which then doesn't make the sales look so financial astute. Trouble is Les doesn't get that.[/p][/quote]Snap! Again! saintbobby
  • Score: -4

6:36pm Thu 28 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

I promise myself everyday i will not subject myself to the tortures of reading our latest cocck ups and still do, more fool me…

Sunnerland should not beat us to any signature if we realised our true potential, however we have'nt so they will.
I promise myself everyday i will not subject myself to the tortures of reading our latest cocck ups and still do, more fool me… Sunnerland should not beat us to any signature if we realised our true potential, however we have'nt so they will. warrens 76
  • Score: -1

6:37pm Thu 28 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

saintbobby wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Why are we being beaten to a player by Sunderland ffs? If it's one of the CL teams then fair enough but this is getting silly. And sign Jack Cork up and try and motivate the lad, he must be getting very despondent.

People talk about how much we got for this or that player and what great business it was. Trouble is not all signings work out - Osvaldo, Gaston and Forren for example - so selling players that have proven themselves in the Southampton team is letting a known quality performer go for someone who may or may not do well and a lot of money can be wasted that way which then doesn't make the sales look so financial astute. Trouble is Les doesn't get that.
Snap! Again!
Wise words mate.
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Why are we being beaten to a player by Sunderland ffs? If it's one of the CL teams then fair enough but this is getting silly. And sign Jack Cork up and try and motivate the lad, he must be getting very despondent. People talk about how much we got for this or that player and what great business it was. Trouble is not all signings work out - Osvaldo, Gaston and Forren for example - so selling players that have proven themselves in the Southampton team is letting a known quality performer go for someone who may or may not do well and a lot of money can be wasted that way which then doesn't make the sales look so financial astute. Trouble is Les doesn't get that.[/p][/quote]Snap! Again![/p][/quote]Wise words mate. warrens 76
  • Score: 0

6:42pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

So how does Arsene suddenly qualify to be the person to advise Roy on Chamber's suitability!?
So how does Arsene suddenly qualify to be the person to advise Roy on Chamber's suitability!? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 6

7:01pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Epsom Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
Something funny going on when we are missing out against Sunderland!

We might be dead in the water against "the big 4" but why would players choose Sunderland or QPR (Caulker) instead of RK and the Saints. Money, but why? Time is ticking away and the desires not being met with action.

Last minute signings always do look a bit desperate, if not worrying.

Good comments about Gaston but why is it only we lot can see Jack should get a new contract - like pronto!
Snap!
I'm not sure Sunderland will get him either - I've read that he would rather stay put unless he gets an offer from a Champions League club
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: Something funny going on when we are missing out against Sunderland! We might be dead in the water against "the big 4" but why would players choose Sunderland or QPR (Caulker) instead of RK and the Saints. Money, but why? Time is ticking away and the desires not being met with action. Last minute signings always do look a bit desperate, if not worrying. Good comments about Gaston but why is it only we lot can see Jack should get a new contract - like pronto![/p][/quote]Snap![/p][/quote]I'm not sure Sunderland will get him either - I've read that he would rather stay put unless he gets an offer from a Champions League club Epsom Saint
  • Score: 3

7:16pm Thu 28 Aug 14

george chivers says...

This just demonstrates we need to sign players quickly at the end of a season not let it run to the final day. I'm quite sure we will have go through this nightmare again in January when Spiderman demands to go and possibly J Rod.

Sadly I have got to the point where I accept we will always sell our best players and replace them with average ones, or worse. We are in a cycle that we won't come out of until hopefully KL sells the club to somebody who is willing to up the stakes in terms of investment and get rid of the instability that plagues our club.

I am also beginning to worry about the academy long term. A constant turnover of coaches is not good. If we have got the best academy in the country why do the coaches keep leaving? Huw Jennings and others are at Fulham. Why is that? Fulham? Not Liverpool, Man U, etc, bloody Fulham. Wages I guess, or possibly Les's man moving people out.

I am hoping when KL has got her money back from the overspend incurred by Cortese she will sell the club and we can say goodbye to Les etc. Some will call me a Neggie for saying that but I believe it is a positive call. We are on a road nowhere with the current ownership, no goals, no targets, just premium sales, cheap replacements, a lack of management and player continuity, leading to instability, mediocrity and reducing attendances. All that needs to change if we are to be successful.

I live for the day KL gets her money back, sells, makes a profit and departs.
This just demonstrates we need to sign players quickly at the end of a season not let it run to the final day. I'm quite sure we will have go through this nightmare again in January when Spiderman demands to go and possibly J Rod. Sadly I have got to the point where I accept we will always sell our best players and replace them with average ones, or worse. We are in a cycle that we won't come out of until hopefully KL sells the club to somebody who is willing to up the stakes in terms of investment and get rid of the instability that plagues our club. I am also beginning to worry about the academy long term. A constant turnover of coaches is not good. If we have got the best academy in the country why do the coaches keep leaving? Huw Jennings and others are at Fulham. Why is that? Fulham? Not Liverpool, Man U, etc, bloody Fulham. Wages I guess, or possibly Les's man moving people out. I am hoping when KL has got her money back from the overspend incurred by Cortese she will sell the club and we can say goodbye to Les etc. Some will call me a Neggie for saying that but I believe it is a positive call. We are on a road nowhere with the current ownership, no goals, no targets, just premium sales, cheap replacements, a lack of management and player continuity, leading to instability, mediocrity and reducing attendances. All that needs to change if we are to be successful. I live for the day KL gets her money back, sells, makes a profit and departs. george chivers
  • Score: -15

7:20pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Saint:ShayTed says...

Hello fellow saints. Going down to st marys in a few weeks. What new songs are we singing? Cheers.
Hello fellow saints. Going down to st marys in a few weeks. What new songs are we singing? Cheers. Saint:ShayTed
  • Score: -1

7:20pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Chapperall says...

Unbelievable when a c---p team like Sunderland who nearly went down last season can be held up in preference to Saints!
Again all this should have been considered before we released players for transfer, in particular players like Chambers.
I just hope we don't get so desperate that we buy players who won't make a difference! I would rather stick with what we have and use dome of the youngsters coming through, or get someone else on loan
Unbelievable when a c---p team like Sunderland who nearly went down last season can be held up in preference to Saints! Again all this should have been considered before we released players for transfer, in particular players like Chambers. I just hope we don't get so desperate that we buy players who won't make a difference! I would rather stick with what we have and use dome of the youngsters coming through, or get someone else on loan Chapperall
  • Score: 2

7:23pm Thu 28 Aug 14

DisplacedFan says...

george chivers wrote:
This just demonstrates we need to sign players quickly at the end of a season not let it run to the final day. I'm quite sure we will have go through this nightmare again in January when Spiderman demands to go and possibly J Rod.

Sadly I have got to the point where I accept we will always sell our best players and replace them with average ones, or worse. We are in a cycle that we won't come out of until hopefully KL sells the club to somebody who is willing to up the stakes in terms of investment and get rid of the instability that plagues our club.

I am also beginning to worry about the academy long term. A constant turnover of coaches is not good. If we have got the best academy in the country why do the coaches keep leaving? Huw Jennings and others are at Fulham. Why is that? Fulham? Not Liverpool, Man U, etc, bloody Fulham. Wages I guess, or possibly Les's man moving people out.

I am hoping when KL has got her money back from the overspend incurred by Cortese she will sell the club and we can say goodbye to Les etc. Some will call me a Neggie for saying that but I believe it is a positive call. We are on a road nowhere with the current ownership, no goals, no targets, just premium sales, cheap replacements, a lack of management and player continuity, leading to instability, mediocrity and reducing attendances. All that needs to change if we are to be successful.

I live for the day KL gets her money back, sells, makes a profit and departs.
Be carefull for what you wish for. It could be much worse......We could be playing you know who every year.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: This just demonstrates we need to sign players quickly at the end of a season not let it run to the final day. I'm quite sure we will have go through this nightmare again in January when Spiderman demands to go and possibly J Rod. Sadly I have got to the point where I accept we will always sell our best players and replace them with average ones, or worse. We are in a cycle that we won't come out of until hopefully KL sells the club to somebody who is willing to up the stakes in terms of investment and get rid of the instability that plagues our club. I am also beginning to worry about the academy long term. A constant turnover of coaches is not good. If we have got the best academy in the country why do the coaches keep leaving? Huw Jennings and others are at Fulham. Why is that? Fulham? Not Liverpool, Man U, etc, bloody Fulham. Wages I guess, or possibly Les's man moving people out. I am hoping when KL has got her money back from the overspend incurred by Cortese she will sell the club and we can say goodbye to Les etc. Some will call me a Neggie for saying that but I believe it is a positive call. We are on a road nowhere with the current ownership, no goals, no targets, just premium sales, cheap replacements, a lack of management and player continuity, leading to instability, mediocrity and reducing attendances. All that needs to change if we are to be successful. I live for the day KL gets her money back, sells, makes a profit and departs.[/p][/quote]Be carefull for what you wish for. It could be much worse......We could be playing you know who every year. DisplacedFan
  • Score: 7

7:29pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Alicesdad wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
Something funny going on when we are missing out against Sunderland!

We might be dead in the water against "the big 4" but why would players choose Sunderland or QPR (Caulker) instead of RK and the Saints. Money, but why? Time is ticking away and the desires not being met with action.

Last minute signings always do look a bit desperate, if not worrying.

Good comments about Gaston but why is it only we lot can see Jack should get a new contract - like pronto!
Good post but nothing funny at all. It's simply money as you said. We are not to be taken for a ride by agents or players so there comes a time when the answer is NO.

I was right about this all along, this player plus Clasie were never on the cards.

I suppose it's good up to a point that Ron speaks out, but I'm not sure its always a good idea.

As for Cork, Gaston, J Rod and other rumours I hope we keep them. Cork is gold, Gaston still has potential and J-Rod is still our main striker in the longer term

If the past is anything to go by it will seem like six months between now and Sunday.
I sort of hope it IS six months between now and Sunday, AD. I return to work on Monday :-(

Otherwise, I totally agree with you. Of course, we don't even know whether the club even considered Caulker or whether they're still interested in another CB, be it the Belgian or one of the Dutch, given what Ron said a week or two ago. Fact is, we BEAT all the other teams to Gardos (and others) but some people seem ready to forget that as soon as they get any chance to inject a little ill-reasoned negativity.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: Something funny going on when we are missing out against Sunderland! We might be dead in the water against "the big 4" but why would players choose Sunderland or QPR (Caulker) instead of RK and the Saints. Money, but why? Time is ticking away and the desires not being met with action. Last minute signings always do look a bit desperate, if not worrying. Good comments about Gaston but why is it only we lot can see Jack should get a new contract - like pronto![/p][/quote]Good post but nothing funny at all. It's simply money as you said. We are not to be taken for a ride by agents or players so there comes a time when the answer is NO. I was right about this all along, this player plus Clasie were never on the cards. I suppose it's good up to a point that Ron speaks out, but I'm not sure its always a good idea. As for Cork, Gaston, J Rod and other rumours I hope we keep them. Cork is gold, Gaston still has potential and J-Rod is still our main striker in the longer term If the past is anything to go by it will seem like six months between now and Sunday.[/p][/quote]I sort of hope it IS six months between now and Sunday, AD. I return to work on Monday :-( Otherwise, I totally agree with you. Of course, we don't even know whether the club even considered Caulker or whether they're still interested in another CB, be it the Belgian or one of the Dutch, given what Ron said a week or two ago. Fact is, we BEAT all the other teams to Gardos (and others) but some people seem ready to forget that as soon as they get any chance to inject a little ill-reasoned negativity. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 19

7:31pm Thu 28 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Epsom Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
Something funny going on when we are missing out against Sunderland!

We might be dead in the water against "the big 4" but why would players choose Sunderland or QPR (Caulker) instead of RK and the Saints. Money, but why? Time is ticking away and the desires not being met with action.

Last minute signings always do look a bit desperate, if not worrying.

Good comments about Gaston but why is it only we lot can see Jack should get a new contract - like pronto!
Snap!
I'm not sure Sunderland will get him either - I've read that he would rather stay put unless he gets an offer from a Champions League club
He has stated that according to a Spanish paper and if he can't get amove to a team in the CL he"s said he'd rather stay put.

They are supposed to closing in on Van Dijk who is another one we were supposed to be after!

Move on Saints but hurry up and get the final pieces of the rebuild sorted.
This years transfers in are becoming more of a pain in the @rse than the ones that have already gone and seemed to be sped through ASAP.

COYR
[quote][p][bold]Epsom Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: Something funny going on when we are missing out against Sunderland! We might be dead in the water against "the big 4" but why would players choose Sunderland or QPR (Caulker) instead of RK and the Saints. Money, but why? Time is ticking away and the desires not being met with action. Last minute signings always do look a bit desperate, if not worrying. Good comments about Gaston but why is it only we lot can see Jack should get a new contract - like pronto![/p][/quote]Snap![/p][/quote]I'm not sure Sunderland will get him either - I've read that he would rather stay put unless he gets an offer from a Champions League club[/p][/quote]He has stated that according to a Spanish paper and if he can't get amove to a team in the CL he"s said he'd rather stay put. They are supposed to closing in on Van Dijk who is another one we were supposed to be after! Move on Saints but hurry up and get the final pieces of the rebuild sorted. This years transfers in are becoming more of a pain in the @rse than the ones that have already gone and seemed to be sped through ASAP. COYR J7junctionseven
  • Score: 2

7:37pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
Something funny going on when we are missing out against Sunderland!

We might be dead in the water against "the big 4" but why would players choose Sunderland or QPR (Caulker) instead of RK and the Saints. Money, but why? Time is ticking away and the desires not being met with action.

Last minute signings always do look a bit desperate, if not worrying.

Good comments about Gaston but why is it only we lot can see Jack should get a new contract - like pronto!
Good post but nothing funny at all. It's simply money as you said. We are not to be taken for a ride by agents or players so there comes a time when the answer is NO.

I was right about this all along, this player plus Clasie were never on the cards.

I suppose it's good up to a point that Ron speaks out, but I'm not sure its always a good idea.

As for Cork, Gaston, J Rod and other rumours I hope we keep them. Cork is gold, Gaston still has potential and J-Rod is still our main striker in the longer term

If the past is anything to go by it will seem like six months between now and Sunday.
I sort of hope it IS six months between now and Sunday, AD. I return to work on Monday :-(

Otherwise, I totally agree with you. Of course, we don't even know whether the club even considered Caulker or whether they're still interested in another CB, be it the Belgian or one of the Dutch, given what Ron said a week or two ago. Fact is, we BEAT all the other teams to Gardos (and others) but some people seem ready to forget that as soon as they get any chance to inject a little ill-reasoned negativity.
The tone of that post sounds as though you need a holiday.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: Something funny going on when we are missing out against Sunderland! We might be dead in the water against "the big 4" but why would players choose Sunderland or QPR (Caulker) instead of RK and the Saints. Money, but why? Time is ticking away and the desires not being met with action. Last minute signings always do look a bit desperate, if not worrying. Good comments about Gaston but why is it only we lot can see Jack should get a new contract - like pronto![/p][/quote]Good post but nothing funny at all. It's simply money as you said. We are not to be taken for a ride by agents or players so there comes a time when the answer is NO. I was right about this all along, this player plus Clasie were never on the cards. I suppose it's good up to a point that Ron speaks out, but I'm not sure its always a good idea. As for Cork, Gaston, J Rod and other rumours I hope we keep them. Cork is gold, Gaston still has potential and J-Rod is still our main striker in the longer term If the past is anything to go by it will seem like six months between now and Sunday.[/p][/quote]I sort of hope it IS six months between now and Sunday, AD. I return to work on Monday :-( Otherwise, I totally agree with you. Of course, we don't even know whether the club even considered Caulker or whether they're still interested in another CB, be it the Belgian or one of the Dutch, given what Ron said a week or two ago. Fact is, we BEAT all the other teams to Gardos (and others) but some people seem ready to forget that as soon as they get any chance to inject a little ill-reasoned negativity.[/p][/quote]The tone of that post sounds as though you need a holiday. fascia123
  • Score: 0

7:45pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Skating on thin ice says...

This is this season's version of the "pressing game".
This is this season's version of the "pressing game". Skating on thin ice
  • Score: -5

7:52pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Skating on thin ice says...

Be realistic. No big signings are coming. No bookmaker will quote a price longer than 1/6 that Schneiderlin will be at Spurs when the window closes on Monday. Maybe Townsend will come in exchange, maybe not. Now Ralph is seeking to loan out GasRam and get his £75K a week wages off the books. Thoughtful supporters will look back 2 years and see that it was his arrival that broke the club's wage structure and set the seed for the current troubles.

Meanwhile, did I ever mention on here before that the capital restructuring of the club's holding company that was carried out in summer 2013 means that all trading profits from player transfers can legally be paid out to the shareholders as dividends? Of course, there is only one shareholder.... just wait for the publication of the next accounts.
Be realistic. No big signings are coming. No bookmaker will quote a price longer than 1/6 that Schneiderlin will be at Spurs when the window closes on Monday. Maybe Townsend will come in exchange, maybe not. Now Ralph is seeking to loan out GasRam and get his £75K a week wages off the books. Thoughtful supporters will look back 2 years and see that it was his arrival that broke the club's wage structure and set the seed for the current troubles. Meanwhile, did I ever mention on here before that the capital restructuring of the club's holding company that was carried out in summer 2013 means that all trading profits from player transfers can legally be paid out to the shareholders as dividends? Of course, there is only one shareholder.... just wait for the publication of the next accounts. Skating on thin ice
  • Score: -7

7:56pm Thu 28 Aug 14

nomorerumours says...

I see some of the worriers have posts here, some seemed to have jumped to the wrong conclusion and some have become very impatient. Firstly, obviously none of us are privy to which deals are being negotiated and how long we have been involved in them - the same goes for the media with speculation and rumours reaching fever pitch. Secondly, some of you should re-read the Echo report above very carefully. It is a clumsy mixture of Echo comments and statements around a few actual quotes from Ronko. We do not know whether Sunderland has overtaken us in the race for Alderweireld - there were several reports on this earlier today which the Echo has picked up on. Ronko said "it's not realistic". That "could" mean that Sunderland have tabled a better deal than us but, more likely, it could mean that there are other stumbling blocks - there may be other clubs chasing this player too. We do not know whether this is a primary target or one of a number of possibilities. So no point in criticising anyone at this stage (if at all - see later). Ronko, as always, makes honest and sincere statements and is admitting that he's not going to say much right now. With some deals at a very sensitive stage and others reaching a critical point in negotiations, we are unlikely to hear anything until a formal annoucement is made one way or the other. Ronko said to the BBC this afternoon that Gaston and Jack are "staying with us". The Gaston story was probably completely false. The speculation surrounding Jack Cork has continued for a while. RonKo does not want him to go and it would be highly unlikely that we would get a larger enough offer for him as the big clubs have not shown any interest. So let's trust RonKo on this one. My final (long) comment is similar to various points that I have been making for a few weeks now. I still do not accept that our owner, our chairman or anyone on our board has done anything wrong! Poch messed us around and although the writing was on the wall, left very suddenly. We were told that we would secure a high caliber replacement manager and I'm sure that a short-list of potential candidates had been prepared well before Poch resigned. It only took just under 4 weeks to secure RonKo's services. An excellent choice by the board. Meanwhile, the world cup thoroughly interrupted the transfer window this summer and the player exodus started. The want aways have gone and we did excellent business in achieving well over the top prices for them. We couldn't starting spending seriously until some deal were completed and we had some funds in the coffers but I'm certain our team of scouts were busy reporting back on various opportunities well before Ralph told us that the selling would end. They have kept their word about re-investing the monied into buying players (and paying higher wages). There is still some left for our last few deals in this window and perhaps a little left over for January. We have greatly improved our financial position and have met the FFP rules head on - in fact we are probably in a stronger position than almost all the other EPL clubs including several in the big 6. This again is excellent business and helps secure our club's long-term future. We will not be forced into selling so many players in future windows - quite apart from players wanting to stay with RonKo (who is "in it for the long haul"). We have been linked to many players and deals - some of which we probably are involved in but others are pure speculation. I'm sure that we have a number of contingencies if primary targets fall through. Prepare yourselves for some brinkmanship and last minute deals. Most of all, please be patient. We already have a strong and deeper squad than last season. We are going to have a great season.
I see some of the worriers have posts here, some seemed to have jumped to the wrong conclusion and some have become very impatient. Firstly, obviously none of us are privy to which deals are being negotiated and how long we have been involved in them - the same goes for the media with speculation and rumours reaching fever pitch. Secondly, some of you should re-read the Echo report above very carefully. It is a clumsy mixture of Echo comments and statements around a few actual quotes from Ronko. We do not know whether Sunderland has overtaken us in the race for Alderweireld - there were several reports on this earlier today which the Echo has picked up on. Ronko said "it's not realistic". That "could" mean that Sunderland have tabled a better deal than us but, more likely, it could mean that there are other stumbling blocks - there may be other clubs chasing this player too. We do not know whether this is a primary target or one of a number of possibilities. So no point in criticising anyone at this stage (if at all - see later). Ronko, as always, makes honest and sincere statements and is admitting that he's not going to say much right now. With some deals at a very sensitive stage and others reaching a critical point in negotiations, we are unlikely to hear anything until a formal annoucement is made one way or the other. Ronko said to the BBC this afternoon that Gaston and Jack are "staying with us". The Gaston story was probably completely false. The speculation surrounding Jack Cork has continued for a while. RonKo does not want him to go and it would be highly unlikely that we would get a larger enough offer for him as the big clubs have not shown any interest. So let's trust RonKo on this one. My final (long) comment is similar to various points that I have been making for a few weeks now. I still do not accept that our owner, our chairman or anyone on our board has done anything wrong! Poch messed us around and although the writing was on the wall, left very suddenly. We were told that we would secure a high caliber replacement manager and I'm sure that a short-list of potential candidates had been prepared well before Poch resigned. It only took just under 4 weeks to secure RonKo's services. An excellent choice by the board. Meanwhile, the world cup thoroughly interrupted the transfer window this summer and the player exodus started. The want aways have gone and we did excellent business in achieving well over the top prices for them. We couldn't starting spending seriously until some deal were completed and we had some funds in the coffers but I'm certain our team of scouts were busy reporting back on various opportunities well before Ralph told us that the selling would end. They have kept their word about re-investing the monied into buying players (and paying higher wages). There is still some left for our last few deals in this window and perhaps a little left over for January. We have greatly improved our financial position and have met the FFP rules head on - in fact we are probably in a stronger position than almost all the other EPL clubs including several in the big 6. This again is excellent business and helps secure our club's long-term future. We will not be forced into selling so many players in future windows - quite apart from players wanting to stay with RonKo (who is "in it for the long haul"). We have been linked to many players and deals - some of which we probably are involved in but others are pure speculation. I'm sure that we have a number of contingencies if primary targets fall through. Prepare yourselves for some brinkmanship and last minute deals. Most of all, please be patient. We already have a strong and deeper squad than last season. We are going to have a great season. nomorerumours
  • Score: 37

8:09pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

fascia123 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
Something funny going on when we are missing out against Sunderland!

We might be dead in the water against "the big 4" but why would players choose Sunderland or QPR (Caulker) instead of RK and the Saints. Money, but why? Time is ticking away and the desires not being met with action.

Last minute signings always do look a bit desperate, if not worrying.

Good comments about Gaston but why is it only we lot can see Jack should get a new contract - like pronto!
Good post but nothing funny at all. It's simply money as you said. We are not to be taken for a ride by agents or players so there comes a time when the answer is NO.

I was right about this all along, this player plus Clasie were never on the cards.

I suppose it's good up to a point that Ron speaks out, but I'm not sure its always a good idea.

As for Cork, Gaston, J Rod and other rumours I hope we keep them. Cork is gold, Gaston still has potential and J-Rod is still our main striker in the longer term

If the past is anything to go by it will seem like six months between now and Sunday.
I sort of hope it IS six months between now and Sunday, AD. I return to work on Monday :-(

Otherwise, I totally agree with you. Of course, we don't even know whether the club even considered Caulker or whether they're still interested in another CB, be it the Belgian or one of the Dutch, given what Ron said a week or two ago. Fact is, we BEAT all the other teams to Gardos (and others) but some people seem ready to forget that as soon as they get any chance to inject a little ill-reasoned negativity.
The tone of that post sounds as though you need a holiday.
Never been one to pass on an opportunity for a bit of lazing about. Alas, unless Real Madrid put in a cheeky bid for my services by Sunday night, it's back to helping the French with their English tenses. For example:

'When I was just a little boy, I asked my Mother what should I be?' (the past simple)

and:

'Wash your mouth out son, go get your father's gun and shoot the Pompey scum, and support The Saints.' (the present simple)
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: Something funny going on when we are missing out against Sunderland! We might be dead in the water against "the big 4" but why would players choose Sunderland or QPR (Caulker) instead of RK and the Saints. Money, but why? Time is ticking away and the desires not being met with action. Last minute signings always do look a bit desperate, if not worrying. Good comments about Gaston but why is it only we lot can see Jack should get a new contract - like pronto![/p][/quote]Good post but nothing funny at all. It's simply money as you said. We are not to be taken for a ride by agents or players so there comes a time when the answer is NO. I was right about this all along, this player plus Clasie were never on the cards. I suppose it's good up to a point that Ron speaks out, but I'm not sure its always a good idea. As for Cork, Gaston, J Rod and other rumours I hope we keep them. Cork is gold, Gaston still has potential and J-Rod is still our main striker in the longer term If the past is anything to go by it will seem like six months between now and Sunday.[/p][/quote]I sort of hope it IS six months between now and Sunday, AD. I return to work on Monday :-( Otherwise, I totally agree with you. Of course, we don't even know whether the club even considered Caulker or whether they're still interested in another CB, be it the Belgian or one of the Dutch, given what Ron said a week or two ago. Fact is, we BEAT all the other teams to Gardos (and others) but some people seem ready to forget that as soon as they get any chance to inject a little ill-reasoned negativity.[/p][/quote]The tone of that post sounds as though you need a holiday.[/p][/quote]Never been one to pass on an opportunity for a bit of lazing about. Alas, unless Real Madrid put in a cheeky bid for my services by Sunday night, it's back to helping the French with their English tenses. For example: 'When I was just a little boy, I asked my Mother what should I be?' (the past simple) and: 'Wash your mouth out son, go get your father's gun and shoot the Pompey scum, and support The Saints.' (the present simple) Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 6

8:13pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

nomorerumours wrote:
I see some of the worriers have posts here, some seemed to have jumped to the wrong conclusion and some have become very impatient. Firstly, obviously none of us are privy to which deals are being negotiated and how long we have been involved in them - the same goes for the media with speculation and rumours reaching fever pitch. Secondly, some of you should re-read the Echo report above very carefully. It is a clumsy mixture of Echo comments and statements around a few actual quotes from Ronko. We do not know whether Sunderland has overtaken us in the race for Alderweireld - there were several reports on this earlier today which the Echo has picked up on. Ronko said "it's not realistic". That "could" mean that Sunderland have tabled a better deal than us but, more likely, it could mean that there are other stumbling blocks - there may be other clubs chasing this player too. We do not know whether this is a primary target or one of a number of possibilities. So no point in criticising anyone at this stage (if at all - see later). Ronko, as always, makes honest and sincere statements and is admitting that he's not going to say much right now. With some deals at a very sensitive stage and others reaching a critical point in negotiations, we are unlikely to hear anything until a formal annoucement is made one way or the other. Ronko said to the BBC this afternoon that Gaston and Jack are "staying with us". The Gaston story was probably completely false. The speculation surrounding Jack Cork has continued for a while. RonKo does not want him to go and it would be highly unlikely that we would get a larger enough offer for him as the big clubs have not shown any interest. So let's trust RonKo on this one. My final (long) comment is similar to various points that I have been making for a few weeks now. I still do not accept that our owner, our chairman or anyone on our board has done anything wrong! Poch messed us around and although the writing was on the wall, left very suddenly. We were told that we would secure a high caliber replacement manager and I'm sure that a short-list of potential candidates had been prepared well before Poch resigned. It only took just under 4 weeks to secure RonKo's services. An excellent choice by the board. Meanwhile, the world cup thoroughly interrupted the transfer window this summer and the player exodus started. The want aways have gone and we did excellent business in achieving well over the top prices for them. We couldn't starting spending seriously until some deal were completed and we had some funds in the coffers but I'm certain our team of scouts were busy reporting back on various opportunities well before Ralph told us that the selling would end. They have kept their word about re-investing the monied into buying players (and paying higher wages). There is still some left for our last few deals in this window and perhaps a little left over for January. We have greatly improved our financial position and have met the FFP rules head on - in fact we are probably in a stronger position than almost all the other EPL clubs including several in the big 6. This again is excellent business and helps secure our club's long-term future. We will not be forced into selling so many players in future windows - quite apart from players wanting to stay with RonKo (who is "in it for the long haul"). We have been linked to many players and deals - some of which we probably are involved in but others are pure speculation. I'm sure that we have a number of contingencies if primary targets fall through. Prepare yourselves for some brinkmanship and last minute deals. Most of all, please be patient. We already have a strong and deeper squad than last season. We are going to have a great season.
Couldn't agree more, I have never been so optimistic about our short, medium and long term future, and not to repeat myself but I see the old club values coming back under this regime.

Up the saints, in Koeman we believe.
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: I see some of the worriers have posts here, some seemed to have jumped to the wrong conclusion and some have become very impatient. Firstly, obviously none of us are privy to which deals are being negotiated and how long we have been involved in them - the same goes for the media with speculation and rumours reaching fever pitch. Secondly, some of you should re-read the Echo report above very carefully. It is a clumsy mixture of Echo comments and statements around a few actual quotes from Ronko. We do not know whether Sunderland has overtaken us in the race for Alderweireld - there were several reports on this earlier today which the Echo has picked up on. Ronko said "it's not realistic". That "could" mean that Sunderland have tabled a better deal than us but, more likely, it could mean that there are other stumbling blocks - there may be other clubs chasing this player too. We do not know whether this is a primary target or one of a number of possibilities. So no point in criticising anyone at this stage (if at all - see later). Ronko, as always, makes honest and sincere statements and is admitting that he's not going to say much right now. With some deals at a very sensitive stage and others reaching a critical point in negotiations, we are unlikely to hear anything until a formal annoucement is made one way or the other. Ronko said to the BBC this afternoon that Gaston and Jack are "staying with us". The Gaston story was probably completely false. The speculation surrounding Jack Cork has continued for a while. RonKo does not want him to go and it would be highly unlikely that we would get a larger enough offer for him as the big clubs have not shown any interest. So let's trust RonKo on this one. My final (long) comment is similar to various points that I have been making for a few weeks now. I still do not accept that our owner, our chairman or anyone on our board has done anything wrong! Poch messed us around and although the writing was on the wall, left very suddenly. We were told that we would secure a high caliber replacement manager and I'm sure that a short-list of potential candidates had been prepared well before Poch resigned. It only took just under 4 weeks to secure RonKo's services. An excellent choice by the board. Meanwhile, the world cup thoroughly interrupted the transfer window this summer and the player exodus started. The want aways have gone and we did excellent business in achieving well over the top prices for them. We couldn't starting spending seriously until some deal were completed and we had some funds in the coffers but I'm certain our team of scouts were busy reporting back on various opportunities well before Ralph told us that the selling would end. They have kept their word about re-investing the monied into buying players (and paying higher wages). There is still some left for our last few deals in this window and perhaps a little left over for January. We have greatly improved our financial position and have met the FFP rules head on - in fact we are probably in a stronger position than almost all the other EPL clubs including several in the big 6. This again is excellent business and helps secure our club's long-term future. We will not be forced into selling so many players in future windows - quite apart from players wanting to stay with RonKo (who is "in it for the long haul"). We have been linked to many players and deals - some of which we probably are involved in but others are pure speculation. I'm sure that we have a number of contingencies if primary targets fall through. Prepare yourselves for some brinkmanship and last minute deals. Most of all, please be patient. We already have a strong and deeper squad than last season. We are going to have a great season.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, I have never been so optimistic about our short, medium and long term future, and not to repeat myself but I see the old club values coming back under this regime. Up the saints, in Koeman we believe. fascia123
  • Score: 18

8:15pm Thu 28 Aug 14

COYR07 says...

buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
[quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act. COYR07
  • Score: 6

8:20pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
Something funny going on when we are missing out against Sunderland!

We might be dead in the water against "the big 4" but why would players choose Sunderland or QPR (Caulker) instead of RK and the Saints. Money, but why? Time is ticking away and the desires not being met with action.

Last minute signings always do look a bit desperate, if not worrying.

Good comments about Gaston but why is it only we lot can see Jack should get a new contract - like pronto!
Good post but nothing funny at all. It's simply money as you said. We are not to be taken for a ride by agents or players so there comes a time when the answer is NO.

I was right about this all along, this player plus Clasie were never on the cards.

I suppose it's good up to a point that Ron speaks out, but I'm not sure its always a good idea.

As for Cork, Gaston, J Rod and other rumours I hope we keep them. Cork is gold, Gaston still has potential and J-Rod is still our main striker in the longer term

If the past is anything to go by it will seem like six months between now and Sunday.
I sort of hope it IS six months between now and Sunday, AD. I return to work on Monday :-(

Otherwise, I totally agree with you. Of course, we don't even know whether the club even considered Caulker or whether they're still interested in another CB, be it the Belgian or one of the Dutch, given what Ron said a week or two ago. Fact is, we BEAT all the other teams to Gardos (and others) but some people seem ready to forget that as soon as they get any chance to inject a little ill-reasoned negativity.
The tone of that post sounds as though you need a holiday.
Never been one to pass on an opportunity for a bit of lazing about. Alas, unless Real Madrid put in a cheeky bid for my services by Sunday night, it's back to helping the French with their English tenses. For example:

'When I was just a little boy, I asked my Mother what should I be?' (the past simple)

and:

'Wash your mouth out son, go get your father's gun and shoot the Pompey scum, and support The Saints.' (the present simple)
Did you find a decent pint in the end?
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: Something funny going on when we are missing out against Sunderland! We might be dead in the water against "the big 4" but why would players choose Sunderland or QPR (Caulker) instead of RK and the Saints. Money, but why? Time is ticking away and the desires not being met with action. Last minute signings always do look a bit desperate, if not worrying. Good comments about Gaston but why is it only we lot can see Jack should get a new contract - like pronto![/p][/quote]Good post but nothing funny at all. It's simply money as you said. We are not to be taken for a ride by agents or players so there comes a time when the answer is NO. I was right about this all along, this player plus Clasie were never on the cards. I suppose it's good up to a point that Ron speaks out, but I'm not sure its always a good idea. As for Cork, Gaston, J Rod and other rumours I hope we keep them. Cork is gold, Gaston still has potential and J-Rod is still our main striker in the longer term If the past is anything to go by it will seem like six months between now and Sunday.[/p][/quote]I sort of hope it IS six months between now and Sunday, AD. I return to work on Monday :-( Otherwise, I totally agree with you. Of course, we don't even know whether the club even considered Caulker or whether they're still interested in another CB, be it the Belgian or one of the Dutch, given what Ron said a week or two ago. Fact is, we BEAT all the other teams to Gardos (and others) but some people seem ready to forget that as soon as they get any chance to inject a little ill-reasoned negativity.[/p][/quote]The tone of that post sounds as though you need a holiday.[/p][/quote]Never been one to pass on an opportunity for a bit of lazing about. Alas, unless Real Madrid put in a cheeky bid for my services by Sunday night, it's back to helping the French with their English tenses. For example: 'When I was just a little boy, I asked my Mother what should I be?' (the past simple) and: 'Wash your mouth out son, go get your father's gun and shoot the Pompey scum, and support The Saints.' (the present simple)[/p][/quote]Did you find a decent pint in the end? fascia123
  • Score: -1

8:26pm Thu 28 Aug 14

jls217 says...

buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
A little sense creeping into the posts. It's easier to blame Les read though mate because that requires no thought. What you've worked out requires a little effort and far easier to shout off about some imaginary bogey man.
[quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]A little sense creeping into the posts. It's easier to blame Les read though mate because that requires no thought. What you've worked out requires a little effort and far easier to shout off about some imaginary bogey man. jls217
  • Score: 3

8:29pm Thu 28 Aug 14

jls217 says...

port de soller wrote:
What will happen to Jack Stephens when the new C/B¨s settle in???
He fights for his place just like he's going to have to get used to no matter where he plies his trade. Seeeemples.
[quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: What will happen to Jack Stephens when the new C/B¨s settle in???[/p][/quote]He fights for his place just like he's going to have to get used to no matter where he plies his trade. Seeeemples. jls217
  • Score: 3

8:29pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi
an.com/football/2014
/mar/06/qpr-debt-177
m-report-premier-lea
gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
[quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club? fascia123
  • Score: 11

8:33pm Thu 28 Aug 14

peregrine73 says...

nomorerumours wrote:
I see some of the worriers have posts here, some seemed to have jumped to the wrong conclusion and some have become very impatient. Firstly, obviously none of us are privy to which deals are being negotiated and how long we have been involved in them - the same goes for the media with speculation and rumours reaching fever pitch. Secondly, some of you should re-read the Echo report above very carefully. It is a clumsy mixture of Echo comments and statements around a few actual quotes from Ronko. We do not know whether Sunderland has overtaken us in the race for Alderweireld - there were several reports on this earlier today which the Echo has picked up on. Ronko said "it's not realistic". That "could" mean that Sunderland have tabled a better deal than us but, more likely, it could mean that there are other stumbling blocks - there may be other clubs chasing this player too. We do not know whether this is a primary target or one of a number of possibilities. So no point in criticising anyone at this stage (if at all - see later). Ronko, as always, makes honest and sincere statements and is admitting that he's not going to say much right now. With some deals at a very sensitive stage and others reaching a critical point in negotiations, we are unlikely to hear anything until a formal annoucement is made one way or the other. Ronko said to the BBC this afternoon that Gaston and Jack are "staying with us". The Gaston story was probably completely false. The speculation surrounding Jack Cork has continued for a while. RonKo does not want him to go and it would be highly unlikely that we would get a larger enough offer for him as the big clubs have not shown any interest. So let's trust RonKo on this one. My final (long) comment is similar to various points that I have been making for a few weeks now. I still do not accept that our owner, our chairman or anyone on our board has done anything wrong! Poch messed us around and although the writing was on the wall, left very suddenly. We were told that we would secure a high caliber replacement manager and I'm sure that a short-list of potential candidates had been prepared well before Poch resigned. It only took just under 4 weeks to secure RonKo's services. An excellent choice by the board. Meanwhile, the world cup thoroughly interrupted the transfer window this summer and the player exodus started. The want aways have gone and we did excellent business in achieving well over the top prices for them. We couldn't starting spending seriously until some deal were completed and we had some funds in the coffers but I'm certain our team of scouts were busy reporting back on various opportunities well before Ralph told us that the selling would end. They have kept their word about re-investing the monied into buying players (and paying higher wages). There is still some left for our last few deals in this window and perhaps a little left over for January. We have greatly improved our financial position and have met the FFP rules head on - in fact we are probably in a stronger position than almost all the other EPL clubs including several in the big 6. This again is excellent business and helps secure our club's long-term future. We will not be forced into selling so many players in future windows - quite apart from players wanting to stay with RonKo (who is "in it for the long haul"). We have been linked to many players and deals - some of which we probably are involved in but others are pure speculation. I'm sure that we have a number of contingencies if primary targets fall through. Prepare yourselves for some brinkmanship and last minute deals. Most of all, please be patient. We already have a strong and deeper squad than last season. We are going to have a great season.
Stronger squad then last season? We needed strengthening with last season squad to maintain a challenge to top ten,.However we lost the core of the team,replacements are at best indifferent ,maybe Tadic the exception. Team geling will take time,but we don't have this in the premiership,so let's hope we survive the Reed/Krueger revolution,
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: I see some of the worriers have posts here, some seemed to have jumped to the wrong conclusion and some have become very impatient. Firstly, obviously none of us are privy to which deals are being negotiated and how long we have been involved in them - the same goes for the media with speculation and rumours reaching fever pitch. Secondly, some of you should re-read the Echo report above very carefully. It is a clumsy mixture of Echo comments and statements around a few actual quotes from Ronko. We do not know whether Sunderland has overtaken us in the race for Alderweireld - there were several reports on this earlier today which the Echo has picked up on. Ronko said "it's not realistic". That "could" mean that Sunderland have tabled a better deal than us but, more likely, it could mean that there are other stumbling blocks - there may be other clubs chasing this player too. We do not know whether this is a primary target or one of a number of possibilities. So no point in criticising anyone at this stage (if at all - see later). Ronko, as always, makes honest and sincere statements and is admitting that he's not going to say much right now. With some deals at a very sensitive stage and others reaching a critical point in negotiations, we are unlikely to hear anything until a formal annoucement is made one way or the other. Ronko said to the BBC this afternoon that Gaston and Jack are "staying with us". The Gaston story was probably completely false. The speculation surrounding Jack Cork has continued for a while. RonKo does not want him to go and it would be highly unlikely that we would get a larger enough offer for him as the big clubs have not shown any interest. So let's trust RonKo on this one. My final (long) comment is similar to various points that I have been making for a few weeks now. I still do not accept that our owner, our chairman or anyone on our board has done anything wrong! Poch messed us around and although the writing was on the wall, left very suddenly. We were told that we would secure a high caliber replacement manager and I'm sure that a short-list of potential candidates had been prepared well before Poch resigned. It only took just under 4 weeks to secure RonKo's services. An excellent choice by the board. Meanwhile, the world cup thoroughly interrupted the transfer window this summer and the player exodus started. The want aways have gone and we did excellent business in achieving well over the top prices for them. We couldn't starting spending seriously until some deal were completed and we had some funds in the coffers but I'm certain our team of scouts were busy reporting back on various opportunities well before Ralph told us that the selling would end. They have kept their word about re-investing the monied into buying players (and paying higher wages). There is still some left for our last few deals in this window and perhaps a little left over for January. We have greatly improved our financial position and have met the FFP rules head on - in fact we are probably in a stronger position than almost all the other EPL clubs including several in the big 6. This again is excellent business and helps secure our club's long-term future. We will not be forced into selling so many players in future windows - quite apart from players wanting to stay with RonKo (who is "in it for the long haul"). We have been linked to many players and deals - some of which we probably are involved in but others are pure speculation. I'm sure that we have a number of contingencies if primary targets fall through. Prepare yourselves for some brinkmanship and last minute deals. Most of all, please be patient. We already have a strong and deeper squad than last season. We are going to have a great season.[/p][/quote]Stronger squad then last season? We needed strengthening with last season squad to maintain a challenge to top ten,.However we lost the core of the team,replacements are at best indifferent ,maybe Tadic the exception. Team geling will take time,but we don't have this in the premiership,so let's hope we survive the Reed/Krueger revolution, peregrine73
  • Score: -15

8:39pm Thu 28 Aug 14

COYR07 says...

fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi

an.com/football/2014

/mar/06/qpr-debt-177

m-report-premier-lea

gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management. COYR07
  • Score: 12

8:40pm Thu 28 Aug 14

jls217 says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
We need some explanations from Les, Ralph & the Board. Why can't we compete with Sunderland & QPR for players. I don't believe it is the FFP, we have been reducing our wage level especially if Gaston goes to Saville.

Loosing out on getting the best quality players to the top six with CL is one thing, but loosing out to our league rivals is unacceptable.

We need quality in before Monday night.

Go for van Dijk or Wollscheid urgently plus Clasie and Cerci before we miss out on them as well.

Whats your problem Les ?
What you really mean is you'd like explanations - you don't make demand of the board - you're not a shareholder, you demand nothing and can expect nothing.
Cerci is apparently a non-starter as Rambros has said he's never even heard of him.
I expect Les's problem is the same yours would be if you were good enough to hold down that job - ask yourself what obstacles you think you might encounter doing the job, list them and double the nr of obstacles as you will not have a clue about the process of a football transfer. Walk a mile in another man's shoes and only then try to critisize him.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: We need some explanations from Les, Ralph & the Board. Why can't we compete with Sunderland & QPR for players. I don't believe it is the FFP, we have been reducing our wage level especially if Gaston goes to Saville. Loosing out on getting the best quality players to the top six with CL is one thing, but loosing out to our league rivals is unacceptable. We need quality in before Monday night. Go for van Dijk or Wollscheid urgently plus Clasie and Cerci before we miss out on them as well. Whats your problem Les ?[/p][/quote]What you really mean is you'd like explanations - you don't make demand of the board - you're not a shareholder, you demand nothing and can expect nothing. Cerci is apparently a non-starter as Rambros has said he's never even heard of him. I expect Les's problem is the same yours would be if you were good enough to hold down that job - ask yourself what obstacles you think you might encounter doing the job, list them and double the nr of obstacles as you will not have a clue about the process of a football transfer. Walk a mile in another man's shoes and only then try to critisize him. jls217
  • Score: 23

8:45pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi

an.com/football/2014

/mar/06/qpr-debt-177

m-report-premier-lea

gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand? Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 9

8:45pm Thu 28 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
I thought millions of the income from transfers was to cover wages so how the fcuk can Blunderland out do us
We'll never know what the real deal maker or breaker was. The player is only going to fill the media inches with all the I've waited all my life to play for this club. This is a dream come true for me all the other blx they come out with.
Agents can come up with all sorts of crap and I wonder how often it is that the amount paid under the table to the agent is what had made him promote one club over another. Somebody chooses another club over us - well that's his choice. Forster chose us over Celtic - it works both ways and no point getting worked up over imaginary problems.
He didn't choose us so what, next!
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: I thought millions of the income from transfers was to cover wages so how the fcuk can Blunderland out do us[/p][/quote]We'll never know what the real deal maker or breaker was. The player is only going to fill the media inches with all the I've waited all my life to play for this club. This is a dream come true for me all the other blx they come out with. Agents can come up with all sorts of crap and I wonder how often it is that the amount paid under the table to the agent is what had made him promote one club over another. Somebody chooses another club over us - well that's his choice. Forster chose us over Celtic - it works both ways and no point getting worked up over imaginary problems. He didn't choose us so what, next! jls217
  • Score: 12

8:49pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

jls217 wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
I thought millions of the income from transfers was to cover wages so how the fcuk can Blunderland out do us
We'll never know what the real deal maker or breaker was. The player is only going to fill the media inches with all the I've waited all my life to play for this club. This is a dream come true for me all the other blx they come out with.
Agents can come up with all sorts of crap and I wonder how often it is that the amount paid under the table to the agent is what had made him promote one club over another. Somebody chooses another club over us - well that's his choice. Forster chose us over Celtic - it works both ways and no point getting worked up over imaginary problems.
He didn't choose us so what, next!
Have you thought about becoming chairman? :o)
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: I thought millions of the income from transfers was to cover wages so how the fcuk can Blunderland out do us[/p][/quote]We'll never know what the real deal maker or breaker was. The player is only going to fill the media inches with all the I've waited all my life to play for this club. This is a dream come true for me all the other blx they come out with. Agents can come up with all sorts of crap and I wonder how often it is that the amount paid under the table to the agent is what had made him promote one club over another. Somebody chooses another club over us - well that's his choice. Forster chose us over Celtic - it works both ways and no point getting worked up over imaginary problems. He didn't choose us so what, next![/p][/quote]Have you thought about becoming chairman? :o) Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 5

8:52pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

COYR07 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi


an.com/football/2014


/mar/06/qpr-debt-177


m-report-premier-lea


gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.
Spot on.

I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool.

What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it.

And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault.

Rant over.
[quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool. What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it. And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault. Rant over. fascia123
  • Score: 24

8:56pm Thu 28 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Nice to see that the skate getting ignored. Well done sssssssshhhhh.....
Nice to see that the skate getting ignored. Well done sssssssshhhhh..... J7junctionseven
  • Score: 6

8:58pm Thu 28 Aug 14

jls217 says...

nomorerumours wrote:
I see some of the worriers have posts here, some seemed to have jumped to the wrong conclusion and some have become very impatient. Firstly, obviously none of us are privy to which deals are being negotiated and how long we have been involved in them - the same goes for the media with speculation and rumours reaching fever pitch. Secondly, some of you should re-read the Echo report above very carefully. It is a clumsy mixture of Echo comments and statements around a few actual quotes from Ronko. We do not know whether Sunderland has overtaken us in the race for Alderweireld - there were several reports on this earlier today which the Echo has picked up on. Ronko said "it's not realistic". That "could" mean that Sunderland have tabled a better deal than us but, more likely, it could mean that there are other stumbling blocks - there may be other clubs chasing this player too. We do not know whether this is a primary target or one of a number of possibilities. So no point in criticising anyone at this stage (if at all - see later). Ronko, as always, makes honest and sincere statements and is admitting that he's not going to say much right now. With some deals at a very sensitive stage and others reaching a critical point in negotiations, we are unlikely to hear anything until a formal annoucement is made one way or the other. Ronko said to the BBC this afternoon that Gaston and Jack are "staying with us". The Gaston story was probably completely false. The speculation surrounding Jack Cork has continued for a while. RonKo does not want him to go and it would be highly unlikely that we would get a larger enough offer for him as the big clubs have not shown any interest. So let's trust RonKo on this one. My final (long) comment is similar to various points that I have been making for a few weeks now. I still do not accept that our owner, our chairman or anyone on our board has done anything wrong! Poch messed us around and although the writing was on the wall, left very suddenly. We were told that we would secure a high caliber replacement manager and I'm sure that a short-list of potential candidates had been prepared well before Poch resigned. It only took just under 4 weeks to secure RonKo's services. An excellent choice by the board. Meanwhile, the world cup thoroughly interrupted the transfer window this summer and the player exodus started. The want aways have gone and we did excellent business in achieving well over the top prices for them. We couldn't starting spending seriously until some deal were completed and we had some funds in the coffers but I'm certain our team of scouts were busy reporting back on various opportunities well before Ralph told us that the selling would end. They have kept their word about re-investing the monied into buying players (and paying higher wages). There is still some left for our last few deals in this window and perhaps a little left over for January. We have greatly improved our financial position and have met the FFP rules head on - in fact we are probably in a stronger position than almost all the other EPL clubs including several in the big 6. This again is excellent business and helps secure our club's long-term future. We will not be forced into selling so many players in future windows - quite apart from players wanting to stay with RonKo (who is "in it for the long haul"). We have been linked to many players and deals - some of which we probably are involved in but others are pure speculation. I'm sure that we have a number of contingencies if primary targets fall through. Prepare yourselves for some brinkmanship and last minute deals. Most of all, please be patient. We already have a strong and deeper squad than last season. We are going to have a great season.
Nomore - If I knew you I'd buy you a drink. Great post if only half the hotheads on here would think about what they were posting before they did it.
I can only fault them (management team) for 2 things and I only say these because I don't know what really goes on and if I did I probably would not have these two concerns.
The first is why when Pinchatinny dropped us in it why didn't we appoint an interim manager to take advantage of what was available (we missed out on several great frees during that period)
The second is just why we felt we had to sell Chambers - for all I know he and his agent may have been proving difficult I just can't work out the logic of him going.
All the others who went I can get the need to rid of ourselves of that sort of crap but Chambers I just can't work out.
I expect someone out there has a couple of logical reasons I've missed 'cos I am not the brightest light on the motorway.
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: I see some of the worriers have posts here, some seemed to have jumped to the wrong conclusion and some have become very impatient. Firstly, obviously none of us are privy to which deals are being negotiated and how long we have been involved in them - the same goes for the media with speculation and rumours reaching fever pitch. Secondly, some of you should re-read the Echo report above very carefully. It is a clumsy mixture of Echo comments and statements around a few actual quotes from Ronko. We do not know whether Sunderland has overtaken us in the race for Alderweireld - there were several reports on this earlier today which the Echo has picked up on. Ronko said "it's not realistic". That "could" mean that Sunderland have tabled a better deal than us but, more likely, it could mean that there are other stumbling blocks - there may be other clubs chasing this player too. We do not know whether this is a primary target or one of a number of possibilities. So no point in criticising anyone at this stage (if at all - see later). Ronko, as always, makes honest and sincere statements and is admitting that he's not going to say much right now. With some deals at a very sensitive stage and others reaching a critical point in negotiations, we are unlikely to hear anything until a formal annoucement is made one way or the other. Ronko said to the BBC this afternoon that Gaston and Jack are "staying with us". The Gaston story was probably completely false. The speculation surrounding Jack Cork has continued for a while. RonKo does not want him to go and it would be highly unlikely that we would get a larger enough offer for him as the big clubs have not shown any interest. So let's trust RonKo on this one. My final (long) comment is similar to various points that I have been making for a few weeks now. I still do not accept that our owner, our chairman or anyone on our board has done anything wrong! Poch messed us around and although the writing was on the wall, left very suddenly. We were told that we would secure a high caliber replacement manager and I'm sure that a short-list of potential candidates had been prepared well before Poch resigned. It only took just under 4 weeks to secure RonKo's services. An excellent choice by the board. Meanwhile, the world cup thoroughly interrupted the transfer window this summer and the player exodus started. The want aways have gone and we did excellent business in achieving well over the top prices for them. We couldn't starting spending seriously until some deal were completed and we had some funds in the coffers but I'm certain our team of scouts were busy reporting back on various opportunities well before Ralph told us that the selling would end. They have kept their word about re-investing the monied into buying players (and paying higher wages). There is still some left for our last few deals in this window and perhaps a little left over for January. We have greatly improved our financial position and have met the FFP rules head on - in fact we are probably in a stronger position than almost all the other EPL clubs including several in the big 6. This again is excellent business and helps secure our club's long-term future. We will not be forced into selling so many players in future windows - quite apart from players wanting to stay with RonKo (who is "in it for the long haul"). We have been linked to many players and deals - some of which we probably are involved in but others are pure speculation. I'm sure that we have a number of contingencies if primary targets fall through. Prepare yourselves for some brinkmanship and last minute deals. Most of all, please be patient. We already have a strong and deeper squad than last season. We are going to have a great season.[/p][/quote]Nomore - If I knew you I'd buy you a drink. Great post if only half the hotheads on here would think about what they were posting before they did it. I can only fault them (management team) for 2 things and I only say these because I don't know what really goes on and if I did I probably would not have these two concerns. The first is why when Pinchatinny dropped us in it why didn't we appoint an interim manager to take advantage of what was available (we missed out on several great frees during that period) The second is just why we felt we had to sell Chambers - for all I know he and his agent may have been proving difficult I just can't work out the logic of him going. All the others who went I can get the need to rid of ourselves of that sort of crap but Chambers I just can't work out. I expect someone out there has a couple of logical reasons I've missed 'cos I am not the brightest light on the motorway. jls217
  • Score: 7

9:00pm Thu 28 Aug 14

jls217 says...

fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi

an.com/football/2014

/mar/06/qpr-debt-177

m-report-premier-lea

gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Ah so much sanity all in one evening. Thanks.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Ah so much sanity all in one evening. Thanks. jls217
  • Score: 2

9:01pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi


an.com/football/2014


/mar/06/qpr-debt-177


m-report-premier-lea


gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table. fascia123
  • Score: 11

9:06pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

jls217 wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
We need some explanations from Les, Ralph & the Board. Why can't we compete with Sunderland & QPR for players. I don't believe it is the FFP, we have been reducing our wage level especially if Gaston goes to Saville.

Loosing out on getting the best quality players to the top six with CL is one thing, but loosing out to our league rivals is unacceptable.

We need quality in before Monday night.

Go for van Dijk or Wollscheid urgently plus Clasie and Cerci before we miss out on them as well.

Whats your problem Les ?
What you really mean is you'd like explanations - you don't make demand of the board - you're not a shareholder, you demand nothing and can expect nothing.
Cerci is apparently a non-starter as Rambros has said he's never even heard of him.
I expect Les's problem is the same yours would be if you were good enough to hold down that job - ask yourself what obstacles you think you might encounter doing the job, list them and double the nr of obstacles as you will not have a clue about the process of a football transfer. Walk a mile in another man's shoes and only then try to critisize him.
You've moved from being a happy clapper to an apologist for the board, no matter what they do you say they are right and it's justified. When it suits you you point out football is different but when it doesn't you ply the normal business philosophy.

Football is different, the fans are the emotional shareholders and spend their hard earned money and precious free time trawling up and down the country wearing expensive replicas shirts. It is arrogance beyond belief to suggest they do not have the right to enquire as to the plans and vision that are now in place given the wholesale dismantling of our best team in decades and the installation of a new CEO and manager. Don't forget we were promised a new era of open communication. It may have passed you by but successful modern business engages with its customers.

You cite the FFP rules. You then tell us that the sales of our players enables us to compete more with wages due to the increase in turnover. Then you tell us we can't compete with Sunderland and QPR on wages - sorry massive flaws and total inconsistency in your argument.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: We need some explanations from Les, Ralph & the Board. Why can't we compete with Sunderland & QPR for players. I don't believe it is the FFP, we have been reducing our wage level especially if Gaston goes to Saville. Loosing out on getting the best quality players to the top six with CL is one thing, but loosing out to our league rivals is unacceptable. We need quality in before Monday night. Go for van Dijk or Wollscheid urgently plus Clasie and Cerci before we miss out on them as well. Whats your problem Les ?[/p][/quote]What you really mean is you'd like explanations - you don't make demand of the board - you're not a shareholder, you demand nothing and can expect nothing. Cerci is apparently a non-starter as Rambros has said he's never even heard of him. I expect Les's problem is the same yours would be if you were good enough to hold down that job - ask yourself what obstacles you think you might encounter doing the job, list them and double the nr of obstacles as you will not have a clue about the process of a football transfer. Walk a mile in another man's shoes and only then try to critisize him.[/p][/quote]You've moved from being a happy clapper to an apologist for the board, no matter what they do you say they are right and it's justified. When it suits you you point out football is different but when it doesn't you ply the normal business philosophy. Football is different, the fans are the emotional shareholders and spend their hard earned money and precious free time trawling up and down the country wearing expensive replicas shirts. It is arrogance beyond belief to suggest they do not have the right to enquire as to the plans and vision that are now in place given the wholesale dismantling of our best team in decades and the installation of a new CEO and manager. Don't forget we were promised a new era of open communication. It may have passed you by but successful modern business engages with its customers. You cite the FFP rules. You then tell us that the sales of our players enables us to compete more with wages due to the increase in turnover. Then you tell us we can't compete with Sunderland and QPR on wages - sorry massive flaws and total inconsistency in your argument. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -3

9:10pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi



an.com/football/2014



/mar/06/qpr-debt-177



m-report-premier-lea



gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -2

9:13pm Thu 28 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
Be realistic. No big signings are coming. No bookmaker will quote a price longer than 1/6 that Schneiderlin will be at Spurs when the window closes on Monday. Maybe Townsend will come in exchange, maybe not. Now Ralph is seeking to loan out GasRam and get his £75K a week wages off the books. Thoughtful supporters will look back 2 years and see that it was his arrival that broke the club's wage structure and set the seed for the current troubles.

Meanwhile, did I ever mention on here before that the capital restructuring of the club's holding company that was carried out in summer 2013 means that all trading profits from player transfers can legally be paid out to the shareholders as dividends? Of course, there is only one shareholder.... just wait for the publication of the next accounts.
Yes we know and as she is the only shareholder she can take what she wants, she does not have to justify it to anybody. No problem with that, wish it was me who owned the club.
And that thick **** is exactly what can happen in any company structured thus - what's the big deal. Don't begrudge her one single pound coin as long as she allows the club to finance itself and it seems that's what's happening so far. Shall we move onto your next problem or is this, as usual, the only blx you can come up with. Thank you for your efforts though.

For those of you not familiar with this gent he has difficulties understanding we don't give a schiiit about his world shattering discoveries and every now and again he wheels them expecting us to go into shock that our owner would like to make as much as she can from one of her business interests. Shame really.
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: Be realistic. No big signings are coming. No bookmaker will quote a price longer than 1/6 that Schneiderlin will be at Spurs when the window closes on Monday. Maybe Townsend will come in exchange, maybe not. Now Ralph is seeking to loan out GasRam and get his £75K a week wages off the books. Thoughtful supporters will look back 2 years and see that it was his arrival that broke the club's wage structure and set the seed for the current troubles. Meanwhile, did I ever mention on here before that the capital restructuring of the club's holding company that was carried out in summer 2013 means that all trading profits from player transfers can legally be paid out to the shareholders as dividends? Of course, there is only one shareholder.... just wait for the publication of the next accounts.[/p][/quote]Yes we know and as she is the only shareholder she can take what she wants, she does not have to justify it to anybody. No problem with that, wish it was me who owned the club. And that thick **** is exactly what can happen in any company structured thus - what's the big deal. Don't begrudge her one single pound coin as long as she allows the club to finance itself and it seems that's what's happening so far. Shall we move onto your next problem or is this, as usual, the only blx you can come up with. Thank you for your efforts though. For those of you not familiar with this gent he has difficulties understanding we don't give a schiiit about his world shattering discoveries and every now and again he wheels them expecting us to go into shock that our owner would like to make as much as she can from one of her business interests. Shame really. jls217
  • Score: 6

9:15pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi




an.com/football/2014




/mar/06/qpr-debt-177




m-report-premier-lea




gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Her and her family traits or my cake analogy?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Her and her family traits or my cake analogy? fascia123
  • Score: 0

9:18pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi




an.com/football/2014




/mar/06/qpr-debt-177




m-report-premier-lea




gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you? Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 4

9:19pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi



an.com/football/2014



/mar/06/qpr-debt-177



m-report-premier-lea



gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
Interesting, I am trying to think of another 'club' who didn't follow those principles so well - now what was their name.........?
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]Interesting, I am trying to think of another 'club' who didn't follow those principles so well - now what was their name.........? Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 2

9:21pm Thu 28 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
We need some explanations from Les, Ralph & the Board. Why can't we compete with Sunderland & QPR for players. I don't believe it is the FFP, we have been reducing our wage level especially if Gaston goes to Saville.

Loosing out on getting the best quality players to the top six with CL is one thing, but loosing out to our league rivals is unacceptable.

We need quality in before Monday night.

Go for van Dijk or Wollscheid urgently plus Clasie and Cerci before we miss out on them as well.

Whats your problem Les ?
What you really mean is you'd like explanations - you don't make demand of the board - you're not a shareholder, you demand nothing and can expect nothing.
Cerci is apparently a non-starter as Rambros has said he's never even heard of him.
I expect Les's problem is the same yours would be if you were good enough to hold down that job - ask yourself what obstacles you think you might encounter doing the job, list them and double the nr of obstacles as you will not have a clue about the process of a football transfer. Walk a mile in another man's shoes and only then try to critisize him.
You've moved from being a happy clapper to an apologist for the board, no matter what they do you say they are right and it's justified. When it suits you you point out football is different but when it doesn't you ply the normal business philosophy.

Football is different, the fans are the emotional shareholders and spend their hard earned money and precious free time trawling up and down the country wearing expensive replicas shirts. It is arrogance beyond belief to suggest they do not have the right to enquire as to the plans and vision that are now in place given the wholesale dismantling of our best team in decades and the installation of a new CEO and manager. Don't forget we were promised a new era of open communication. It may have passed you by but successful modern business engages with its customers.

You cite the FFP rules. You then tell us that the sales of our players enables us to compete more with wages due to the increase in turnover. Then you tell us we can't compete with Sunderland and QPR on wages - sorry massive flaws and total inconsistency in your argument.
Label me with whatever blx you want Seed - doesn't affect my wages.
However don't try to attribute to me things I have not reported

"You cite the FFP rules. You then tell us that the sales of our players enables us to compete more with wages due to the increase in turnover. Then you tell us we can't compete with Sunderland and QPR on wages - sorry massive flaws and total inconsistency in your argument."

I have never cited and never will cite ffp rules I don't understand them and would not attempt to - there may be flaws in my arguments not inconsistencies as I've not stated what you mention.
So let us be charitable and suggest to you that you have my posts confused with or mingled with someone else. The reason I would like to suggest the readers here be charitable toward your accusation Seed is that
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: We need some explanations from Les, Ralph & the Board. Why can't we compete with Sunderland & QPR for players. I don't believe it is the FFP, we have been reducing our wage level especially if Gaston goes to Saville. Loosing out on getting the best quality players to the top six with CL is one thing, but loosing out to our league rivals is unacceptable. We need quality in before Monday night. Go for van Dijk or Wollscheid urgently plus Clasie and Cerci before we miss out on them as well. Whats your problem Les ?[/p][/quote]What you really mean is you'd like explanations - you don't make demand of the board - you're not a shareholder, you demand nothing and can expect nothing. Cerci is apparently a non-starter as Rambros has said he's never even heard of him. I expect Les's problem is the same yours would be if you were good enough to hold down that job - ask yourself what obstacles you think you might encounter doing the job, list them and double the nr of obstacles as you will not have a clue about the process of a football transfer. Walk a mile in another man's shoes and only then try to critisize him.[/p][/quote]You've moved from being a happy clapper to an apologist for the board, no matter what they do you say they are right and it's justified. When it suits you you point out football is different but when it doesn't you ply the normal business philosophy. Football is different, the fans are the emotional shareholders and spend their hard earned money and precious free time trawling up and down the country wearing expensive replicas shirts. It is arrogance beyond belief to suggest they do not have the right to enquire as to the plans and vision that are now in place given the wholesale dismantling of our best team in decades and the installation of a new CEO and manager. Don't forget we were promised a new era of open communication. It may have passed you by but successful modern business engages with its customers. You cite the FFP rules. You then tell us that the sales of our players enables us to compete more with wages due to the increase in turnover. Then you tell us we can't compete with Sunderland and QPR on wages - sorry massive flaws and total inconsistency in your argument.[/p][/quote]Label me with whatever blx you want Seed - doesn't affect my wages. However don't try to attribute to me things I have not reported "You cite the FFP rules. You then tell us that the sales of our players enables us to compete more with wages due to the increase in turnover. Then you tell us we can't compete with Sunderland and QPR on wages - sorry massive flaws and total inconsistency in your argument." I have never cited and never will cite ffp rules I don't understand them and would not attempt to - there may be flaws in my arguments not inconsistencies as I've not stated what you mention. So let us be charitable and suggest to you that you have my posts confused with or mingled with someone else. The reason I would like to suggest the readers here be charitable toward your accusation Seed is that jls217
  • Score: 4

9:21pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi




an.com/football/2014




/mar/06/qpr-debt-177




m-report-premier-lea




gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
Interesting, I am trying to think of another 'club' who didn't follow those principles so well - now what was their name.........?
Did they skate on thin ice, terrible?
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]Interesting, I am trying to think of another 'club' who didn't follow those principles so well - now what was their name.........?[/p][/quote]Did they skate on thin ice, terrible? fascia123
  • Score: 0

9:25pm Thu 28 Aug 14

jls217 says...

I will continue as I have no idea why that posted.
Is that I would not want anyone on here to think you would consider lying and making false accusations to further one of your own spurious cognitions by putting the spotlight on someone else's risshole to take it off your own.
In other words you're talking blx but then you knew that didn't you?
I will continue as I have no idea why that posted. Is that I would not want anyone on here to think you would consider lying and making false accusations to further one of your own spurious cognitions by putting the spotlight on someone else's risshole to take it off your own. In other words you're talking blx but then you knew that didn't you? jls217
  • Score: 5

9:25pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi





an.com/football/2014





/mar/06/qpr-debt-177





m-report-premier-lea





gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
Interesting, I am trying to think of another 'club' who didn't follow those principles so well - now what was their name.........?
Did they skate on thin ice, terrible?
They spent lots of money they thought was real, but which just turned out to be nothing but lies and broken dreams - hey-ho - so sad.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]Interesting, I am trying to think of another 'club' who didn't follow those principles so well - now what was their name.........?[/p][/quote]Did they skate on thin ice, terrible?[/p][/quote]They spent lots of money they thought was real, but which just turned out to be nothing but lies and broken dreams - hey-ho - so sad. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 1

9:29pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi






an.com/football/2014






/mar/06/qpr-debt-177






m-report-premier-lea






gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
Interesting, I am trying to think of another 'club' who didn't follow those principles so well - now what was their name.........?
Did they skate on thin ice, terrible?
They spent lots of money they thought was real, but which just turned out to be nothing but lies and broken dreams - hey-ho - so sad.
Leeds is another good example, going along nicely, then had to have it all today, was it Ridsdale and O'Leary.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]Interesting, I am trying to think of another 'club' who didn't follow those principles so well - now what was their name.........?[/p][/quote]Did they skate on thin ice, terrible?[/p][/quote]They spent lots of money they thought was real, but which just turned out to be nothing but lies and broken dreams - hey-ho - so sad.[/p][/quote]Leeds is another good example, going along nicely, then had to have it all today, was it Ridsdale and O'Leary. fascia123
  • Score: 1

9:29pm Thu 28 Aug 14

jls217 says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Nice to see that the skate getting ignored. Well done sssssssshhhhh.....
Sorry j7 Once again I bit before I saw your post. I hate myself sometimes.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Nice to see that the skate getting ignored. Well done sssssssshhhhh.....[/p][/quote]Sorry j7 Once again I bit before I saw your post. I hate myself sometimes. jls217
  • Score: 2

9:30pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

jls217 wrote:
I will continue as I have no idea why that posted.
Is that I would not want anyone on here to think you would consider lying and making false accusations to further one of your own spurious cognitions by putting the spotlight on someone else's risshole to take it off your own.
In other words you're talking blx but then you knew that didn't you?
JLs who's post is this in response to?
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I will continue as I have no idea why that posted. Is that I would not want anyone on here to think you would consider lying and making false accusations to further one of your own spurious cognitions by putting the spotlight on someone else's risshole to take it off your own. In other words you're talking blx but then you knew that didn't you?[/p][/quote]JLs who's post is this in response to? fascia123
  • Score: 0

9:32pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

jls217 wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Nice to see that the skate getting ignored. Well done sssssssshhhhh.....
Sorry j7 Once again I bit before I saw your post. I hate myself sometimes.
I'm new can you explain who the Skate we are ignoring is?
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Nice to see that the skate getting ignored. Well done sssssssshhhhh.....[/p][/quote]Sorry j7 Once again I bit before I saw your post. I hate myself sometimes.[/p][/quote]I'm new can you explain who the Skate we are ignoring is? fascia123
  • Score: 0

9:32pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
We need some explanations from Les, Ralph & the Board. Why can't we compete with Sunderland & QPR for players. I don't believe it is the FFP, we have been reducing our wage level especially if Gaston goes to Saville.

Loosing out on getting the best quality players to the top six with CL is one thing, but loosing out to our league rivals is unacceptable.

We need quality in before Monday night.

Go for van Dijk or Wollscheid urgently plus Clasie and Cerci before we miss out on them as well.

Whats your problem Les ?
What you really mean is you'd like explanations - you don't make demand of the board - you're not a shareholder, you demand nothing and can expect nothing.
Cerci is apparently a non-starter as Rambros has said he's never even heard of him.
I expect Les's problem is the same yours would be if you were good enough to hold down that job - ask yourself what obstacles you think you might encounter doing the job, list them and double the nr of obstacles as you will not have a clue about the process of a football transfer. Walk a mile in another man's shoes and only then try to critisize him.
You've moved from being a happy clapper to an apologist for the board, no matter what they do you say they are right and it's justified. When it suits you you point out football is different but when it doesn't you ply the normal business philosophy.

Football is different, the fans are the emotional shareholders and spend their hard earned money and precious free time trawling up and down the country wearing expensive replicas shirts. It is arrogance beyond belief to suggest they do not have the right to enquire as to the plans and vision that are now in place given the wholesale dismantling of our best team in decades and the installation of a new CEO and manager. Don't forget we were promised a new era of open communication. It may have passed you by but successful modern business engages with its customers.

You cite the FFP rules. You then tell us that the sales of our players enables us to compete more with wages due to the increase in turnover. Then you tell us we can't compete with Sunderland and QPR on wages - sorry massive flaws and total inconsistency in your argument.
Label me with whatever blx you want Seed - doesn't affect my wages.
However don't try to attribute to me things I have not reported

"You cite the FFP rules. You then tell us that the sales of our players enables us to compete more with wages due to the increase in turnover. Then you tell us we can't compete with Sunderland and QPR on wages - sorry massive flaws and total inconsistency in your argument."

I have never cited and never will cite ffp rules I don't understand them and would not attempt to - there may be flaws in my arguments not inconsistencies as I've not stated what you mention.
So let us be charitable and suggest to you that you have my posts confused with or mingled with someone else. The reason I would like to suggest the readers here be charitable toward your accusation Seed is that
....... is that ...... WHAT????? It was just getting interesting :-)

Anyway, Fas, to answer your earlier question, alas, no I couldn't get a decent beer in The Azores, so enjoyed a Portuguese red instead (very under-rated across Europe). No kidding, as the waitress took the cork out of the bottle, I refreshed wi-fi and Jack popped up with his cork-popping moment, so to speak.

Hopefully, some day, I WILL find a decent beer on the continent in time to celebrate the first goal of his career - if we should ever sign someone called Jacque Ringpull.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: We need some explanations from Les, Ralph & the Board. Why can't we compete with Sunderland & QPR for players. I don't believe it is the FFP, we have been reducing our wage level especially if Gaston goes to Saville. Loosing out on getting the best quality players to the top six with CL is one thing, but loosing out to our league rivals is unacceptable. We need quality in before Monday night. Go for van Dijk or Wollscheid urgently plus Clasie and Cerci before we miss out on them as well. Whats your problem Les ?[/p][/quote]What you really mean is you'd like explanations - you don't make demand of the board - you're not a shareholder, you demand nothing and can expect nothing. Cerci is apparently a non-starter as Rambros has said he's never even heard of him. I expect Les's problem is the same yours would be if you were good enough to hold down that job - ask yourself what obstacles you think you might encounter doing the job, list them and double the nr of obstacles as you will not have a clue about the process of a football transfer. Walk a mile in another man's shoes and only then try to critisize him.[/p][/quote]You've moved from being a happy clapper to an apologist for the board, no matter what they do you say they are right and it's justified. When it suits you you point out football is different but when it doesn't you ply the normal business philosophy. Football is different, the fans are the emotional shareholders and spend their hard earned money and precious free time trawling up and down the country wearing expensive replicas shirts. It is arrogance beyond belief to suggest they do not have the right to enquire as to the plans and vision that are now in place given the wholesale dismantling of our best team in decades and the installation of a new CEO and manager. Don't forget we were promised a new era of open communication. It may have passed you by but successful modern business engages with its customers. You cite the FFP rules. You then tell us that the sales of our players enables us to compete more with wages due to the increase in turnover. Then you tell us we can't compete with Sunderland and QPR on wages - sorry massive flaws and total inconsistency in your argument.[/p][/quote]Label me with whatever blx you want Seed - doesn't affect my wages. However don't try to attribute to me things I have not reported "You cite the FFP rules. You then tell us that the sales of our players enables us to compete more with wages due to the increase in turnover. Then you tell us we can't compete with Sunderland and QPR on wages - sorry massive flaws and total inconsistency in your argument." I have never cited and never will cite ffp rules I don't understand them and would not attempt to - there may be flaws in my arguments not inconsistencies as I've not stated what you mention. So let us be charitable and suggest to you that you have my posts confused with or mingled with someone else. The reason I would like to suggest the readers here be charitable toward your accusation Seed is that[/p][/quote]....... is that ...... WHAT????? It was just getting interesting :-) Anyway, Fas, to answer your earlier question, alas, no I couldn't get a decent beer in The Azores, so enjoyed a Portuguese red instead (very under-rated across Europe). No kidding, as the waitress took the cork out of the bottle, I refreshed wi-fi and Jack popped up with his cork-popping moment, so to speak. Hopefully, some day, I WILL find a decent beer on the continent in time to celebrate the first goal of his career - if we should ever sign someone called Jacque Ringpull. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

9:33pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi



an.com/football/2014



/mar/06/qpr-debt-177



m-report-premier-lea



gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.
Spot on.

I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool.

What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it.

And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault.

Rant over.
Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me!
Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that.
Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool. What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it. And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault. Rant over.[/p][/quote]Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me! Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that. Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

9:35pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi





an.com/football/2014





/mar/06/qpr-debt-177





m-report-premier-lea





gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Her and her family traits or my cake analogy?
Haha. The family traits don't seem to me to match the bizarre world that is professional football. I think all clubs are in debt and I would guess only Man U makes a return.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Her and her family traits or my cake analogy?[/p][/quote]Haha. The family traits don't seem to me to match the bizarre world that is professional football. I think all clubs are in debt and I would guess only Man U makes a return. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

9:35pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

fascia123 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Nice to see that the skate getting ignored. Well done sssssssshhhhh.....
Sorry j7 Once again I bit before I saw your post. I hate myself sometimes.
I'm new can you explain who the Skate we are ignoring is?
All of the cheating, lying, charity-robbing, sister-loving dumb lot of them.

(Just thought I'd save Seed from posting that)

:-)
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Nice to see that the skate getting ignored. Well done sssssssshhhhh.....[/p][/quote]Sorry j7 Once again I bit before I saw your post. I hate myself sometimes.[/p][/quote]I'm new can you explain who the Skate we are ignoring is?[/p][/quote]All of the cheating, lying, charity-robbing, sister-loving dumb lot of them. (Just thought I'd save Seed from posting that) :-) Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

9:36pm Thu 28 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Nice to see that the skate getting ignored. Well done sssssssshhhhh.....
We'll except one.... Well done Jls 217
Ignore the green eyed bottom feeder and it'll go away.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Nice to see that the skate getting ignored. Well done sssssssshhhhh.....[/p][/quote]We'll except one.... Well done Jls 217 Ignore the green eyed bottom feeder and it'll go away. J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

9:38pm Thu 28 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

jls217 wrote:
port de soller wrote:
What will happen to Jack Stephens when the new C/B¨s settle in???
He fights for his place just like he's going to have to get used to no matter where he plies his trade. Seeeemples.
He is being loaned out to Swindon
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: What will happen to Jack Stephens when the new C/B¨s settle in???[/p][/quote]He fights for his place just like he's going to have to get used to no matter where he plies his trade. Seeeemples.[/p][/quote]He is being loaned out to Swindon NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 0

9:40pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi





an.com/football/2014





/mar/06/qpr-debt-177





m-report-premier-lea





gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -7

9:41pm Thu 28 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

fascia123 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Nice to see that the skate getting ignored. Well done sssssssshhhhh.....
Sorry j7 Once again I bit before I saw your post. I hate myself sometimes.
I'm new can you explain who the Skate we are ignoring is?
Robin Curry on ice
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Nice to see that the skate getting ignored. Well done sssssssshhhhh.....[/p][/quote]Sorry j7 Once again I bit before I saw your post. I hate myself sometimes.[/p][/quote]I'm new can you explain who the Skate we are ignoring is?[/p][/quote]Robin Curry on ice J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

9:41pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

jls217 wrote:
I will continue as I have no idea why that posted.
Is that I would not want anyone on here to think you would consider lying and making false accusations to further one of your own spurious cognitions by putting the spotlight on someone else's risshole to take it off your own.
In other words you're talking blx but then you knew that didn't you?
Failed to address any of my points despite two goes at it. Go on try again.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I will continue as I have no idea why that posted. Is that I would not want anyone on here to think you would consider lying and making false accusations to further one of your own spurious cognitions by putting the spotlight on someone else's risshole to take it off your own. In other words you're talking blx but then you knew that didn't you?[/p][/quote]Failed to address any of my points despite two goes at it. Go on try again. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -6

9:41pm Thu 28 Aug 14

M.U.CS1 says...

Ronald McDonald is getting very desperate to sign a couple of players now, any player will do, he's finally worked out no top players want to come and play for Southampton ! Can you all really tell me he saw Shane Long play much before he signed him, for what was it, 12 million ?
Ronald McDonald is getting very desperate to sign a couple of players now, any player will do, he's finally worked out no top players want to come and play for Southampton ! Can you all really tell me he saw Shane Long play much before he signed him, for what was it, 12 million ? M.U.CS1
  • Score: -7

9:41pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Chipmonk1 says...

Wow the doom mongers must have been sweating on an article like this. I can't believe some of the hysterical comments on here. So what if we don't sign this Toby character obviously the club don't want him enough. Has anyone seriously heard of this guy? Maybe he has demanded first team action which we couldn't possibly guarantee. And as for Caulker, he was part of the leakiest defence in the PL last season and has hardly set the world on fire this season either. I hardly see missing out on either as shattering. Buttner anyone? What the club is demonstrating is prudence. In both a financial and football sense.
Wow the doom mongers must have been sweating on an article like this. I can't believe some of the hysterical comments on here. So what if we don't sign this Toby character obviously the club don't want him enough. Has anyone seriously heard of this guy? Maybe he has demanded first team action which we couldn't possibly guarantee. And as for Caulker, he was part of the leakiest defence in the PL last season and has hardly set the world on fire this season either. I hardly see missing out on either as shattering. Buttner anyone? What the club is demonstrating is prudence. In both a financial and football sense. Chipmonk1
  • Score: 1

9:42pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi




an.com/football/2014




/mar/06/qpr-debt-177




m-report-premier-lea




gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.
Spot on.

I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool.

What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it.

And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault.

Rant over.
Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me!
Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that.
Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.
When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone.

Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool. What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it. And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault. Rant over.[/p][/quote]Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me! Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that. Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.[/p][/quote]When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone. Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites. fascia123
  • Score: -1

9:47pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi





an.com/football/2014





/mar/06/qpr-debt-177





m-report-premier-lea





gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.
Spot on.

I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool.

What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it.

And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault.

Rant over.
Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me!
Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that.
Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.
When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone.

Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.
Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0)
But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool. What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it. And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault. Rant over.[/p][/quote]Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me! Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that. Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.[/p][/quote]When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone. Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.[/p][/quote]Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0) But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

9:50pm Thu 28 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Another one's just turned up craving some attention....yawn
Ignore the tw@t and it'll go away.
Another one's just turned up craving some attention....yawn Ignore the tw@t and it'll go away. J7junctionseven
  • Score: 3

9:52pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi






an.com/football/2014






/mar/06/qpr-debt-177






m-report-premier-lea






gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.
Spot on.

I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool.

What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it.

And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault.

Rant over.
Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me!
Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that.
Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.
When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone.

Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.
Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0)
But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.
You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly.

Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool. What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it. And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault. Rant over.[/p][/quote]Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me! Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that. Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.[/p][/quote]When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone. Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.[/p][/quote]Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0) But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.[/p][/quote]You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly. Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage. fascia123
  • Score: -1

9:56pm Thu 28 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi







an.com/football/2014







/mar/06/qpr-debt-177







m-report-premier-lea







gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.
Spot on.

I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool.

What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it.

And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault.

Rant over.
Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me!
Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that.
Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.
When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone.

Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.
Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0)
But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.
You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly.

Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.
I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis.
A week on penicillin sorted it right out!!
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool. What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it. And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault. Rant over.[/p][/quote]Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me! Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that. Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.[/p][/quote]When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone. Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.[/p][/quote]Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0) But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.[/p][/quote]You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly. Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.[/p][/quote]I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis. A week on penicillin sorted it right out!! J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

10:02pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi








an.com/football/2014








/mar/06/qpr-debt-177








m-report-premier-lea








gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.
Spot on.

I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool.

What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it.

And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault.

Rant over.
Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me!
Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that.
Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.
When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone.

Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.
Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0)
But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.
You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly.

Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.
I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis.
A week on penicillin sorted it right out!!
TMI
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool. What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it. And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault. Rant over.[/p][/quote]Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me! Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that. Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.[/p][/quote]When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone. Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.[/p][/quote]Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0) But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.[/p][/quote]You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly. Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.[/p][/quote]I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis. A week on penicillin sorted it right out!![/p][/quote]TMI Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 1

10:02pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi







an.com/football/2014







/mar/06/qpr-debt-177







m-report-premier-lea







gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.
Spot on.

I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool.

What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it.

And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault.

Rant over.
Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me!
Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that.
Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.
When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone.

Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.
Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0)
But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.
You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly.

Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.
Yeah,preferred the original shape of the Mk 1's though.
The father in law had three NSU's,but only one set of number plates,so he just used to put them on whichever was best,when the mot was due..it got through every time.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool. What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it. And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault. Rant over.[/p][/quote]Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me! Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that. Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.[/p][/quote]When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone. Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.[/p][/quote]Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0) But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.[/p][/quote]You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly. Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.[/p][/quote]Yeah,preferred the original shape of the Mk 1's though. The father in law had three NSU's,but only one set of number plates,so he just used to put them on whichever was best,when the mot was due..it got through every time. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

10:03pm Thu 28 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi






an.com/football/2014






/mar/06/qpr-debt-177






m-report-premier-lea






gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did.

As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh?

I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did. As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh? I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 3

10:06pm Thu 28 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Ronald McDonald is getting very desperate to sign a couple of players now, any player will do, he's finally worked out no top players want to come and play for Southampton ! Can you all really tell me he saw Shane Long play much before he signed him, for what was it, 12 million ?
Hahahahaha. That's coming from someone pretending to be a Man U fan. Seriously, mate, have a word with yourself.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Ronald McDonald is getting very desperate to sign a couple of players now, any player will do, he's finally worked out no top players want to come and play for Southampton ! Can you all really tell me he saw Shane Long play much before he signed him, for what was it, 12 million ?[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha. That's coming from someone pretending to be a Man U fan. Seriously, mate, have a word with yourself. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 3

10:09pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi






an.com/football/2014






/mar/06/qpr-debt-177






m-report-premier-lea






gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I always remember David Prutton saying just after Saints were relegated and George Burley was appointed and a number of high profile players left (Nigel Quashie et al) that he just hoped we bought some players in who 'wanted to play for the club.' He went on to score in the League Cup then was promptly sold.

I just hope that we can now do what David Prutton said and actually get in those players, but I also want owners who genuinely care not just about short termism, but genuine sustained growth and viability. Lets give it two years and see where we are.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I always remember David Prutton saying just after Saints were relegated and George Burley was appointed and a number of high profile players left (Nigel Quashie et al) that he just hoped we bought some players in who 'wanted to play for the club.' He went on to score in the League Cup then was promptly sold. I just hope that we can now do what David Prutton said and actually get in those players, but I also want owners who genuinely care not just about short termism, but genuine sustained growth and viability. Lets give it two years and see where we are. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 0

10:10pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi






an.com/football/2014






/mar/06/qpr-debt-177






m-report-premier-lea






gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
The exodus may take us backwards short term but not much if at all, is our academy shutting down then, this club developed players long before NC, while he was here and will continue to do so. The revolution has come about by necessity and IMO was caused by the previous regime, but whatever your opinion on that one players demanded moves were sold and had to be replaced and again in my opinion I think everything considered the owner, board and manager have done a bloody good job faced with such chaos.

Higher risk I can't see it, these guys seem to me to have a sound and sustainable business model and not a one man egotistical disaster plan.

I think we will finish about mid table judging on the progress RK has made with a new squad in such a short time, I think he will by the close of the January window if not this one have a stronger squad than last year more capable of dealing with the pressures of the EPL and will in time gain more of an understanding of the premiership game and will apply his vast tactical knowledge, evidence has already been seen of this in the short time in charge.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]The exodus may take us backwards short term but not much if at all, is our academy shutting down then, this club developed players long before NC, while he was here and will continue to do so. The revolution has come about by necessity and IMO was caused by the previous regime, but whatever your opinion on that one players demanded moves were sold and had to be replaced and again in my opinion I think everything considered the owner, board and manager have done a bloody good job faced with such chaos. Higher risk I can't see it, these guys seem to me to have a sound and sustainable business model and not a one man egotistical disaster plan. I think we will finish about mid table judging on the progress RK has made with a new squad in such a short time, I think he will by the close of the January window if not this one have a stronger squad than last year more capable of dealing with the pressures of the EPL and will in time gain more of an understanding of the premiership game and will apply his vast tactical knowledge, evidence has already been seen of this in the short time in charge. fascia123
  • Score: 4

10:12pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi







an.com/football/2014







/mar/06/qpr-debt-177







m-report-premier-lea







gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did.

As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh?

I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.
Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did. As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh? I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.[/p][/quote]Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

10:14pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi








an.com/football/2014








/mar/06/qpr-debt-177








m-report-premier-lea








gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.
Spot on.

I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool.

What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it.

And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault.

Rant over.
Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me!
Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that.
Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.
When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone.

Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.
Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0)
But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.
You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly.

Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.
I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis.
A week on penicillin sorted it right out!!
We have so much in common.

Did you have the crochet needle treatment and the blue pills?
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool. What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it. And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault. Rant over.[/p][/quote]Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me! Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that. Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.[/p][/quote]When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone. Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.[/p][/quote]Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0) But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.[/p][/quote]You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly. Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.[/p][/quote]I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis. A week on penicillin sorted it right out!![/p][/quote]We have so much in common. Did you have the crochet needle treatment and the blue pills? fascia123
  • Score: -3

10:16pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi








an.com/football/2014








/mar/06/qpr-debt-177








m-report-premier-lea








gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.
Spot on.

I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool.

What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it.

And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault.

Rant over.
Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me!
Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that.
Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.
When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone.

Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.
Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0)
But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.
You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly.

Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.
Yeah,preferred the original shape of the Mk 1's though.
The father in law had three NSU's,but only one set of number plates,so he just used to put them on whichever was best,when the mot was due..it got through every time.
MOT can't remember them?
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool. What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it. And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault. Rant over.[/p][/quote]Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me! Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that. Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.[/p][/quote]When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone. Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.[/p][/quote]Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0) But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.[/p][/quote]You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly. Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.[/p][/quote]Yeah,preferred the original shape of the Mk 1's though. The father in law had three NSU's,but only one set of number plates,so he just used to put them on whichever was best,when the mot was due..it got through every time.[/p][/quote]MOT can't remember them? fascia123
  • Score: -1

10:16pm Thu 28 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

jls217 wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
We need some explanations from Les, Ralph & the Board. Why can't we compete with Sunderland & QPR for players. I don't believe it is the FFP, we have been reducing our wage level especially if Gaston goes to Saville.

Loosing out on getting the best quality players to the top six with CL is one thing, but loosing out to our league rivals is unacceptable.

We need quality in before Monday night.

Go for van Dijk or Wollscheid urgently plus Clasie and Cerci before we miss out on them as well.

Whats your problem Les ?
What you really mean is you'd like explanations - you don't make demand of the board - you're not a shareholder, you demand nothing and can expect nothing.
Cerci is apparently a non-starter as Rambros has said he's never even heard of him.
I expect Les's problem is the same yours would be if you were good enough to hold down that job - ask yourself what obstacles you think you might encounter doing the job, list them and double the nr of obstacles as you will not have a clue about the process of a football transfer. Walk a mile in another man's shoes and only then try to critisize him.
Thanks jls for your response it is very presumptuous of you to assume that I know nothing about the transfer process and how do you know whether I am a shareholder or not.

The point I was making is that we have do had any of the promised open communication from the new board regarding all their actions since the season ended.

I like most others are more than frustrated to hear that having had no reasons why we have sold so many of our top players and are now unable to compete with our rivals for any quality replacements that are still available.

A good transfer policy is to bring in players who are better than you have got, thus improving the 11 on the pitch. We are currently signing average players (except Forster) instead of better ones , that are not improving the first eleven. Having a very large squad of average players was the mistake that Rupert made and even boasted about at the time.

I would be interested to hear your opinion to how the board can justify their decisions because it beats the hell out of most of us.

I am not one of the KL is asset stripping to sell brigade, but I am of an increasing belief that the board members she has appointed either lacking experience, naive or incompetent. We are the paying public and they expect our support so don't we all deserve to be given some insight to what the plan is, if there is one !
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: We need some explanations from Les, Ralph & the Board. Why can't we compete with Sunderland & QPR for players. I don't believe it is the FFP, we have been reducing our wage level especially if Gaston goes to Saville. Loosing out on getting the best quality players to the top six with CL is one thing, but loosing out to our league rivals is unacceptable. We need quality in before Monday night. Go for van Dijk or Wollscheid urgently plus Clasie and Cerci before we miss out on them as well. Whats your problem Les ?[/p][/quote]What you really mean is you'd like explanations - you don't make demand of the board - you're not a shareholder, you demand nothing and can expect nothing. Cerci is apparently a non-starter as Rambros has said he's never even heard of him. I expect Les's problem is the same yours would be if you were good enough to hold down that job - ask yourself what obstacles you think you might encounter doing the job, list them and double the nr of obstacles as you will not have a clue about the process of a football transfer. Walk a mile in another man's shoes and only then try to critisize him.[/p][/quote]Thanks jls for your response it is very presumptuous of you to assume that I know nothing about the transfer process and how do you know whether I am a shareholder or not. The point I was making is that we have do had any of the promised open communication from the new board regarding all their actions since the season ended. I like most others are more than frustrated to hear that having had no reasons why we have sold so many of our top players and are now unable to compete with our rivals for any quality replacements that are still available. A good transfer policy is to bring in players who are better than you have got, thus improving the 11 on the pitch. We are currently signing average players (except Forster) instead of better ones , that are not improving the first eleven. Having a very large squad of average players was the mistake that Rupert made and even boasted about at the time. I would be interested to hear your opinion to how the board can justify their decisions because it beats the hell out of most of us. I am not one of the KL is asset stripping to sell brigade, but I am of an increasing belief that the board members she has appointed either lacking experience, naive or incompetent. We are the paying public and they expect our support so don't we all deserve to be given some insight to what the plan is, if there is one ! NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 0

10:21pm Thu 28 Aug 14

nomorerumours says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Ronald McDonald is getting very desperate to sign a couple of players now, any player will do, he's finally worked out no top players want to come and play for Southampton ! Can you all really tell me he saw Shane Long play much before he signed him, for what was it, 12 million ?
Why do you come onto our site? Did any of us go onto your site saying "4-0, 4-0, 4-0"? (actually, I can think of a few who probably did). Your hyprocracy is astounding. ManU have really struggled to attract players in this transfer window despite your trillion dollar open cheque book. Perhaps you should buy up the whole of the MKDons first team. Sound defense and great attack and it'll cost you less than 3 seconds of Rooney's wage bill!
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Ronald McDonald is getting very desperate to sign a couple of players now, any player will do, he's finally worked out no top players want to come and play for Southampton ! Can you all really tell me he saw Shane Long play much before he signed him, for what was it, 12 million ?[/p][/quote]Why do you come onto our site? Did any of us go onto your site saying "4-0, 4-0, 4-0"? (actually, I can think of a few who probably did). Your hyprocracy is astounding. ManU have really struggled to attract players in this transfer window despite your trillion dollar open cheque book. Perhaps you should buy up the whole of the MKDons first team. Sound defense and great attack and it'll cost you less than 3 seconds of Rooney's wage bill! nomorerumours
  • Score: 4

10:24pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi







an.com/football/2014







/mar/06/qpr-debt-177







m-report-premier-lea







gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I always remember David Prutton saying just after Saints were relegated and George Burley was appointed and a number of high profile players left (Nigel Quashie et al) that he just hoped we bought some players in who 'wanted to play for the club.' He went on to score in the League Cup then was promptly sold.

I just hope that we can now do what David Prutton said and actually get in those players, but I also want owners who genuinely care not just about short termism, but genuine sustained growth and viability. Lets give it two years and see where we are.
I'm fine with that but don't see why people are so certain that's what we now have. Surely anyone who watched the team over the last few seasons cannot have failed to see the camaraderie that existed between that group of players enabling them to punch above their weight.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I always remember David Prutton saying just after Saints were relegated and George Burley was appointed and a number of high profile players left (Nigel Quashie et al) that he just hoped we bought some players in who 'wanted to play for the club.' He went on to score in the League Cup then was promptly sold. I just hope that we can now do what David Prutton said and actually get in those players, but I also want owners who genuinely care not just about short termism, but genuine sustained growth and viability. Lets give it two years and see where we are.[/p][/quote]I'm fine with that but don't see why people are so certain that's what we now have. Surely anyone who watched the team over the last few seasons cannot have failed to see the camaraderie that existed between that group of players enabling them to punch above their weight. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -1

10:25pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi







an.com/football/2014







/mar/06/qpr-debt-177







m-report-premier-lea







gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did.

As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh?

I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.
your term that stuff matters is spot on, it really does.

This lot feel to me the closest thing to how the club felt in the LM/TB days.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did. As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh? I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.[/p][/quote]your term that stuff matters is spot on, it really does. This lot feel to me the closest thing to how the club felt in the LM/TB days. fascia123
  • Score: 0

10:27pm Thu 28 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

fascia123 wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi









an.com/football/2014









/mar/06/qpr-debt-177









m-report-premier-lea









gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.
Spot on.

I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool.

What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it.

And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault.

Rant over.
Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me!
Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that.
Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.
When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone.

Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.
Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0)
But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.
You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly.

Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.
I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis.
A week on penicillin sorted it right out!!
We have so much in common.

Did you have the crochet needle treatment and the blue pills?
Yep, sure did.
To make matters even worse My appointment was on a day when trainee nurses etc were there.
One of the most embarrassing days of my life!! And still makes my eyes water thinking about!
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool. What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it. And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault. Rant over.[/p][/quote]Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me! Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that. Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.[/p][/quote]When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone. Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.[/p][/quote]Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0) But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.[/p][/quote]You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly. Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.[/p][/quote]I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis. A week on penicillin sorted it right out!![/p][/quote]We have so much in common. Did you have the crochet needle treatment and the blue pills?[/p][/quote]Yep, sure did. To make matters even worse My appointment was on a day when trainee nurses etc were there. One of the most embarrassing days of my life!! And still makes my eyes water thinking about! J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

10:29pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi









an.com/football/2014









/mar/06/qpr-debt-177









m-report-premier-lea









gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.
Spot on.

I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool.

What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it.

And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault.

Rant over.
Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me!
Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that.
Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.
When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone.

Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.
Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0)
But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.
You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly.

Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.
Yeah,preferred the original shape of the Mk 1's though.
The father in law had three NSU's,but only one set of number plates,so he just used to put them on whichever was best,when the mot was due..it got through every time.
MOT can't remember them?
Well in those days,they usually only failed you for rust,I used to have a mini which had a chassis that would turn a corner,three seconds before the body did.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool. What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it. And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault. Rant over.[/p][/quote]Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me! Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that. Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.[/p][/quote]When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone. Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.[/p][/quote]Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0) But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.[/p][/quote]You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly. Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.[/p][/quote]Yeah,preferred the original shape of the Mk 1's though. The father in law had three NSU's,but only one set of number plates,so he just used to put them on whichever was best,when the mot was due..it got through every time.[/p][/quote]MOT can't remember them?[/p][/quote]Well in those days,they usually only failed you for rust,I used to have a mini which had a chassis that would turn a corner,three seconds before the body did. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

10:33pm Thu 28 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

nomorerumours wrote:
M.U.CS1 wrote:
Ronald McDonald is getting very desperate to sign a couple of players now, any player will do, he's finally worked out no top players want to come and play for Southampton ! Can you all really tell me he saw Shane Long play much before he signed him, for what was it, 12 million ?
Why do you come onto our site? Did any of us go onto your site saying "4-0, 4-0, 4-0"? (actually, I can think of a few who probably did). Your hyprocracy is astounding. ManU have really struggled to attract players in this transfer window despite your trillion dollar open cheque book. Perhaps you should buy up the whole of the MKDons first team. Sound defense and great attack and it'll cost you less than 3 seconds of Rooney's wage bill!
He's a skate and the reason he's on here is to get some attention which you've now given it.

Take a look at his name backwards and it's pretty obvious where the pr1ck hails from.

Ignore the tw@t and it'll go away
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Ronald McDonald is getting very desperate to sign a couple of players now, any player will do, he's finally worked out no top players want to come and play for Southampton ! Can you all really tell me he saw Shane Long play much before he signed him, for what was it, 12 million ?[/p][/quote]Why do you come onto our site? Did any of us go onto your site saying "4-0, 4-0, 4-0"? (actually, I can think of a few who probably did). Your hyprocracy is astounding. ManU have really struggled to attract players in this transfer window despite your trillion dollar open cheque book. Perhaps you should buy up the whole of the MKDons first team. Sound defense and great attack and it'll cost you less than 3 seconds of Rooney's wage bill![/p][/quote]He's a skate and the reason he's on here is to get some attention which you've now given it. Take a look at his name backwards and it's pretty obvious where the pr1ck hails from. Ignore the tw@t and it'll go away J7junctionseven
  • Score: 4

10:35pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi








an.com/football/2014








/mar/06/qpr-debt-177








m-report-premier-lea








gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did.

As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh?

I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.
Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.
Good point
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did. As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh? I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.[/p][/quote]Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.[/p][/quote]Good point fascia123
  • Score: 0

10:37pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi








an.com/football/2014








/mar/06/qpr-debt-177








m-report-premier-lea








gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I always remember David Prutton saying just after Saints were relegated and George Burley was appointed and a number of high profile players left (Nigel Quashie et al) that he just hoped we bought some players in who 'wanted to play for the club.' He went on to score in the League Cup then was promptly sold.

I just hope that we can now do what David Prutton said and actually get in those players, but I also want owners who genuinely care not just about short termism, but genuine sustained growth and viability. Lets give it two years and see where we are.
I'm fine with that but don't see why people are so certain that's what we now have. Surely anyone who watched the team over the last few seasons cannot have failed to see the camaraderie that existed between that group of players enabling them to punch above their weight.
That is a point I cannot argue with, but did they all have a common goal to leave I wonder? Where will we end up now? I don't think we will know the answers for a couple of seasons unfortunately!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I always remember David Prutton saying just after Saints were relegated and George Burley was appointed and a number of high profile players left (Nigel Quashie et al) that he just hoped we bought some players in who 'wanted to play for the club.' He went on to score in the League Cup then was promptly sold. I just hope that we can now do what David Prutton said and actually get in those players, but I also want owners who genuinely care not just about short termism, but genuine sustained growth and viability. Lets give it two years and see where we are.[/p][/quote]I'm fine with that but don't see why people are so certain that's what we now have. Surely anyone who watched the team over the last few seasons cannot have failed to see the camaraderie that existed between that group of players enabling them to punch above their weight.[/p][/quote]That is a point I cannot argue with, but did they all have a common goal to leave I wonder? Where will we end up now? I don't think we will know the answers for a couple of seasons unfortunately! Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 2

10:41pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi









an.com/football/2014









/mar/06/qpr-debt-177









m-report-premier-lea









gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did.

As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh?

I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.
Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.
Good point
Seconded
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did. As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh? I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.[/p][/quote]Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.[/p][/quote]Good point[/p][/quote]Seconded Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 2

10:41pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi










an.com/football/2014










/mar/06/qpr-debt-177










m-report-premier-lea










gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.
Spot on.

I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool.

What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it.

And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault.

Rant over.
Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me!
Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that.
Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.
When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone.

Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.
Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0)
But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.
You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly.

Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.
I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis.
A week on penicillin sorted it right out!!
We have so much in common.

Did you have the crochet needle treatment and the blue pills?
Yep, sure did.
To make matters even worse My appointment was on a day when trainee nurses etc were there.
One of the most embarrassing days of my life!! And still makes my eyes water thinking about!
Did they give you a handful of cards to give to anyone you had slept with, can you imagine having to tell someone you might of given them the clap, I chucked them in the bin outside the clinic.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool. What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it. And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault. Rant over.[/p][/quote]Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me! Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that. Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.[/p][/quote]When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone. Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.[/p][/quote]Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0) But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.[/p][/quote]You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly. Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.[/p][/quote]I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis. A week on penicillin sorted it right out!![/p][/quote]We have so much in common. Did you have the crochet needle treatment and the blue pills?[/p][/quote]Yep, sure did. To make matters even worse My appointment was on a day when trainee nurses etc were there. One of the most embarrassing days of my life!! And still makes my eyes water thinking about![/p][/quote]Did they give you a handful of cards to give to anyone you had slept with, can you imagine having to tell someone you might of given them the clap, I chucked them in the bin outside the clinic. fascia123
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10:43pm Thu 28 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi








an.com/football/2014








/mar/06/qpr-debt-177








m-report-premier-lea








gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did.

As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh?

I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.
Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.
Actually, that's a really good point. Cortese clearly had a strong bond with the playing squad and he should have been booted straight out on gardening leave. That said, can you imagine the absolute shitstorm on here if it emerged that Kat had basically sacked the best thing to happen to this club since sliced bread? There would have been massive rebellion so it sort of had to be handled on the hush hush. It just goes to show there's always an awful lot going on behind the scenes that the likes of us know nothing about.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did. As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh? I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.[/p][/quote]Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.[/p][/quote]Actually, that's a really good point. Cortese clearly had a strong bond with the playing squad and he should have been booted straight out on gardening leave. That said, can you imagine the absolute shitstorm on here if it emerged that Kat had basically sacked the best thing to happen to this club since sliced bread? There would have been massive rebellion so it sort of had to be handled on the hush hush. It just goes to show there's always an awful lot going on behind the scenes that the likes of us know nothing about. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 3

10:44pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

fascia123 wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi











an.com/football/2014











/mar/06/qpr-debt-177











m-report-premier-lea











gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.
Spot on.

I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool.

What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it.

And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault.

Rant over.
Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me!
Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that.
Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.
When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone.

Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.
Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0)
But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.
You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly.

Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.
I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis.
A week on penicillin sorted it right out!!
We have so much in common.

Did you have the crochet needle treatment and the blue pills?
Yep, sure did.
To make matters even worse My appointment was on a day when trainee nurses etc were there.
One of the most embarrassing days of my life!! And still makes my eyes water thinking about!
Did they give you a handful of cards to give to anyone you had slept with, can you imagine having to tell someone you might of given them the clap, I chucked them in the bin outside the clinic.
I introduced chlamydia to the Uk in the 80's when no one had heard of it! One girl I gave it to gave it back :(
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool. What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it. And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault. Rant over.[/p][/quote]Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me! Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that. Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.[/p][/quote]When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone. Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.[/p][/quote]Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0) But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.[/p][/quote]You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly. Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.[/p][/quote]I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis. A week on penicillin sorted it right out!![/p][/quote]We have so much in common. Did you have the crochet needle treatment and the blue pills?[/p][/quote]Yep, sure did. To make matters even worse My appointment was on a day when trainee nurses etc were there. One of the most embarrassing days of my life!! And still makes my eyes water thinking about![/p][/quote]Did they give you a handful of cards to give to anyone you had slept with, can you imagine having to tell someone you might of given them the clap, I chucked them in the bin outside the clinic.[/p][/quote]I introduced chlamydia to the Uk in the 80's when no one had heard of it! One girl I gave it to gave it back :( Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

10:48pm Thu 28 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi









an.com/football/2014









/mar/06/qpr-debt-177









m-report-premier-lea









gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I always remember David Prutton saying just after Saints were relegated and George Burley was appointed and a number of high profile players left (Nigel Quashie et al) that he just hoped we bought some players in who 'wanted to play for the club.' He went on to score in the League Cup then was promptly sold.

I just hope that we can now do what David Prutton said and actually get in those players, but I also want owners who genuinely care not just about short termism, but genuine sustained growth and viability. Lets give it two years and see where we are.
I'm fine with that but don't see why people are so certain that's what we now have. Surely anyone who watched the team over the last few seasons cannot have failed to see the camaraderie that existed between that group of players enabling them to punch above their weight.
That is a point I cannot argue with, but did they all have a common goal to leave I wonder? Where will we end up now? I don't think we will know the answers for a couple of seasons unfortunately!
That's life's greatest and cruelest irony: it must be lived forwards but can only be understood backwards.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I always remember David Prutton saying just after Saints were relegated and George Burley was appointed and a number of high profile players left (Nigel Quashie et al) that he just hoped we bought some players in who 'wanted to play for the club.' He went on to score in the League Cup then was promptly sold. I just hope that we can now do what David Prutton said and actually get in those players, but I also want owners who genuinely care not just about short termism, but genuine sustained growth and viability. Lets give it two years and see where we are.[/p][/quote]I'm fine with that but don't see why people are so certain that's what we now have. Surely anyone who watched the team over the last few seasons cannot have failed to see the camaraderie that existed between that group of players enabling them to punch above their weight.[/p][/quote]That is a point I cannot argue with, but did they all have a common goal to leave I wonder? Where will we end up now? I don't think we will know the answers for a couple of seasons unfortunately![/p][/quote]That's life's greatest and cruelest irony: it must be lived forwards but can only be understood backwards. St Van Roetford
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10:49pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi












an.com/football/2014












/mar/06/qpr-debt-177












m-report-premier-lea












gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.
Spot on.

I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool.

What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it.

And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault.

Rant over.
Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me!
Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that.
Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.
When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone.

Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.
Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0)
But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.
You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly.

Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.
I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis.
A week on penicillin sorted it right out!!
We have so much in common.

Did you have the crochet needle treatment and the blue pills?
Yep, sure did.
To make matters even worse My appointment was on a day when trainee nurses etc were there.
One of the most embarrassing days of my life!! And still makes my eyes water thinking about!
Did they give you a handful of cards to give to anyone you had slept with, can you imagine having to tell someone you might of given them the clap, I chucked them in the bin outside the clinic.
I introduced chlamydia to the Uk in the 80's when no one had heard of it! One girl I gave it to gave it back :(
It was that Greek **** Chlamydia who gave it to everyone else in the first place.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool. What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it. And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault. Rant over.[/p][/quote]Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me! Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that. Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.[/p][/quote]When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone. Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.[/p][/quote]Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0) But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.[/p][/quote]You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly. Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.[/p][/quote]I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis. A week on penicillin sorted it right out!![/p][/quote]We have so much in common. Did you have the crochet needle treatment and the blue pills?[/p][/quote]Yep, sure did. To make matters even worse My appointment was on a day when trainee nurses etc were there. One of the most embarrassing days of my life!! And still makes my eyes water thinking about![/p][/quote]Did they give you a handful of cards to give to anyone you had slept with, can you imagine having to tell someone you might of given them the clap, I chucked them in the bin outside the clinic.[/p][/quote]I introduced chlamydia to the Uk in the 80's when no one had heard of it! One girl I gave it to gave it back :([/p][/quote]It was that Greek **** Chlamydia who gave it to everyone else in the first place. Positively4thStreet
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10:52pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi













an.com/football/2014













/mar/06/qpr-debt-177













m-report-premier-lea













gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.
Spot on.

I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool.

What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it.

And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault.

Rant over.
Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me!
Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that.
Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.
When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone.

Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.
Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0)
But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.
You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly.

Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.
I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis.
A week on penicillin sorted it right out!!
We have so much in common.

Did you have the crochet needle treatment and the blue pills?
Yep, sure did.
To make matters even worse My appointment was on a day when trainee nurses etc were there.
One of the most embarrassing days of my life!! And still makes my eyes water thinking about!
Did they give you a handful of cards to give to anyone you had slept with, can you imagine having to tell someone you might of given them the clap, I chucked them in the bin outside the clinic.
I introduced chlamydia to the Uk in the 80's when no one had heard of it! One girl I gave it to gave it back :(
It was that Greek **** Chlamydia who gave it to everyone else in the first place.
Sorry Echo,I meant to say bltch.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool. What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it. And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault. Rant over.[/p][/quote]Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me! Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that. Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.[/p][/quote]When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone. Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.[/p][/quote]Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0) But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.[/p][/quote]You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly. Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.[/p][/quote]I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis. A week on penicillin sorted it right out!![/p][/quote]We have so much in common. Did you have the crochet needle treatment and the blue pills?[/p][/quote]Yep, sure did. To make matters even worse My appointment was on a day when trainee nurses etc were there. One of the most embarrassing days of my life!! And still makes my eyes water thinking about![/p][/quote]Did they give you a handful of cards to give to anyone you had slept with, can you imagine having to tell someone you might of given them the clap, I chucked them in the bin outside the clinic.[/p][/quote]I introduced chlamydia to the Uk in the 80's when no one had heard of it! One girl I gave it to gave it back :([/p][/quote]It was that Greek **** Chlamydia who gave it to everyone else in the first place.[/p][/quote]Sorry Echo,I meant to say bltch. Positively4thStreet
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10:52pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi












an.com/football/2014












/mar/06/qpr-debt-177












m-report-premier-lea












gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.
Spot on.

I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool.

What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it.

And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault.

Rant over.
Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me!
Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that.
Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.
When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone.

Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.
Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0)
But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.
You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly.

Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.
I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis.
A week on penicillin sorted it right out!!
We have so much in common.

Did you have the crochet needle treatment and the blue pills?
Yep, sure did.
To make matters even worse My appointment was on a day when trainee nurses etc were there.
One of the most embarrassing days of my life!! And still makes my eyes water thinking about!
Did they give you a handful of cards to give to anyone you had slept with, can you imagine having to tell someone you might of given them the clap, I chucked them in the bin outside the clinic.
I introduced chlamydia to the Uk in the 80's when no one had heard of it! One girl I gave it to gave it back :(
Chlamydia Is supposed to addle the brain as the years progress, and finds you with alternative opinions to the well informed.

Sorry couldn't resist
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool. What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it. And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault. Rant over.[/p][/quote]Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me! Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that. Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.[/p][/quote]When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone. Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.[/p][/quote]Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0) But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.[/p][/quote]You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly. Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.[/p][/quote]I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis. A week on penicillin sorted it right out!![/p][/quote]We have so much in common. Did you have the crochet needle treatment and the blue pills?[/p][/quote]Yep, sure did. To make matters even worse My appointment was on a day when trainee nurses etc were there. One of the most embarrassing days of my life!! And still makes my eyes water thinking about![/p][/quote]Did they give you a handful of cards to give to anyone you had slept with, can you imagine having to tell someone you might of given them the clap, I chucked them in the bin outside the clinic.[/p][/quote]I introduced chlamydia to the Uk in the 80's when no one had heard of it! One girl I gave it to gave it back :([/p][/quote]Chlamydia Is supposed to addle the brain as the years progress, and finds you with alternative opinions to the well informed. Sorry couldn't resist fascia123
  • Score: 0

10:55pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi









an.com/football/2014









/mar/06/qpr-debt-177









m-report-premier-lea









gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did.

As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh?

I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.
Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.
Actually, that's a really good point. Cortese clearly had a strong bond with the playing squad and he should have been booted straight out on gardening leave. That said, can you imagine the absolute shitstorm on here if it emerged that Kat had basically sacked the best thing to happen to this club since sliced bread? There would have been massive rebellion so it sort of had to be handled on the hush hush. It just goes to show there's always an awful lot going on behind the scenes that the likes of us know nothing about.
It's all about communication. If she had come out and said 'look Cortese has resigned, I have done my best to persuade him to stay (which she did) but I have failed. Therefore it has been agreed he will depart immediately and we are now actively seeking a replacement to take this club forward.' There would have been a sh!tstorm but it would have been better than what happened as a result of the path chosen.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did. As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh? I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.[/p][/quote]Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.[/p][/quote]Actually, that's a really good point. Cortese clearly had a strong bond with the playing squad and he should have been booted straight out on gardening leave. That said, can you imagine the absolute shitstorm on here if it emerged that Kat had basically sacked the best thing to happen to this club since sliced bread? There would have been massive rebellion so it sort of had to be handled on the hush hush. It just goes to show there's always an awful lot going on behind the scenes that the likes of us know nothing about.[/p][/quote]It's all about communication. If she had come out and said 'look Cortese has resigned, I have done my best to persuade him to stay (which she did) but I have failed. Therefore it has been agreed he will depart immediately and we are now actively seeking a replacement to take this club forward.' There would have been a sh!tstorm but it would have been better than what happened as a result of the path chosen. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

10:56pm Thu 28 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi








an.com/football/2014








/mar/06/qpr-debt-177








m-report-premier-lea








gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I always remember David Prutton saying just after Saints were relegated and George Burley was appointed and a number of high profile players left (Nigel Quashie et al) that he just hoped we bought some players in who 'wanted to play for the club.' He went on to score in the League Cup then was promptly sold.

I just hope that we can now do what David Prutton said and actually get in those players, but I also want owners who genuinely care not just about short termism, but genuine sustained growth and viability. Lets give it two years and see where we are.
I'm fine with that but don't see why people are so certain that's what we now have. Surely anyone who watched the team over the last few seasons cannot have failed to see the camaraderie that existed between that group of players enabling them to punch above their weight.
Aye, that camaraderie was genuinely spectacular. I don't once remember us conceding a goal and seeing some great bitchfest emerge amongst defenders as to who was at fault. I've no idea where that came from but I hope it continues.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I always remember David Prutton saying just after Saints were relegated and George Burley was appointed and a number of high profile players left (Nigel Quashie et al) that he just hoped we bought some players in who 'wanted to play for the club.' He went on to score in the League Cup then was promptly sold. I just hope that we can now do what David Prutton said and actually get in those players, but I also want owners who genuinely care not just about short termism, but genuine sustained growth and viability. Lets give it two years and see where we are.[/p][/quote]I'm fine with that but don't see why people are so certain that's what we now have. Surely anyone who watched the team over the last few seasons cannot have failed to see the camaraderie that existed between that group of players enabling them to punch above their weight.[/p][/quote]Aye, that camaraderie was genuinely spectacular. I don't once remember us conceding a goal and seeing some great bitchfest emerge amongst defenders as to who was at fault. I've no idea where that came from but I hope it continues. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 0

11:04pm Thu 28 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
jls217 wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
We need some explanations from Les, Ralph & the Board. Why can't we compete with Sunderland & QPR for players. I don't believe it is the FFP, we have been reducing our wage level especially if Gaston goes to Saville.

Loosing out on getting the best quality players to the top six with CL is one thing, but loosing out to our league rivals is unacceptable.

We need quality in before Monday night.

Go for van Dijk or Wollscheid urgently plus Clasie and Cerci before we miss out on them as well.

Whats your problem Les ?
What you really mean is you'd like explanations - you don't make demand of the board - you're not a shareholder, you demand nothing and can expect nothing.
Cerci is apparently a non-starter as Rambros has said he's never even heard of him.
I expect Les's problem is the same yours would be if you were good enough to hold down that job - ask yourself what obstacles you think you might encounter doing the job, list them and double the nr of obstacles as you will not have a clue about the process of a football transfer. Walk a mile in another man's shoes and only then try to critisize him.
Thanks jls for your response it is very presumptuous of you to assume that I know nothing about the transfer process and how do you know whether I am a shareholder or not.

The point I was making is that we have do had any of the promised open communication from the new board regarding all their actions since the season ended.

I like most others are more than frustrated to hear that having had no reasons why we have sold so many of our top players and are now unable to compete with our rivals for any quality replacements that are still available.

A good transfer policy is to bring in players who are better than you have got, thus improving the 11 on the pitch. We are currently signing average players (except Forster) instead of better ones , that are not improving the first eleven. Having a very large squad of average players was the mistake that Rupert made and even boasted about at the time.

I would be interested to hear your opinion to how the board can justify their decisions because it beats the hell out of most of us.

I am not one of the KL is asset stripping to sell brigade, but I am of an increasing belief that the board members she has appointed either lacking experience, naive or incompetent. We are the paying public and they expect our support so don't we all deserve to be given some insight to what the plan is, if there is one !
There is only ONE shareholder in this Club and it isn't you, unless your name is Katharina.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: We need some explanations from Les, Ralph & the Board. Why can't we compete with Sunderland & QPR for players. I don't believe it is the FFP, we have been reducing our wage level especially if Gaston goes to Saville. Loosing out on getting the best quality players to the top six with CL is one thing, but loosing out to our league rivals is unacceptable. We need quality in before Monday night. Go for van Dijk or Wollscheid urgently plus Clasie and Cerci before we miss out on them as well. Whats your problem Les ?[/p][/quote]What you really mean is you'd like explanations - you don't make demand of the board - you're not a shareholder, you demand nothing and can expect nothing. Cerci is apparently a non-starter as Rambros has said he's never even heard of him. I expect Les's problem is the same yours would be if you were good enough to hold down that job - ask yourself what obstacles you think you might encounter doing the job, list them and double the nr of obstacles as you will not have a clue about the process of a football transfer. Walk a mile in another man's shoes and only then try to critisize him.[/p][/quote]Thanks jls for your response it is very presumptuous of you to assume that I know nothing about the transfer process and how do you know whether I am a shareholder or not. The point I was making is that we have do had any of the promised open communication from the new board regarding all their actions since the season ended. I like most others are more than frustrated to hear that having had no reasons why we have sold so many of our top players and are now unable to compete with our rivals for any quality replacements that are still available. A good transfer policy is to bring in players who are better than you have got, thus improving the 11 on the pitch. We are currently signing average players (except Forster) instead of better ones , that are not improving the first eleven. Having a very large squad of average players was the mistake that Rupert made and even boasted about at the time. I would be interested to hear your opinion to how the board can justify their decisions because it beats the hell out of most of us. I am not one of the KL is asset stripping to sell brigade, but I am of an increasing belief that the board members she has appointed either lacking experience, naive or incompetent. We are the paying public and they expect our support so don't we all deserve to be given some insight to what the plan is, if there is one ![/p][/quote]There is only ONE shareholder in this Club and it isn't you, unless your name is Katharina. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

11:06pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi










an.com/football/2014










/mar/06/qpr-debt-177










m-report-premier-lea










gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did.

As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh?

I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.
Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.
Actually, that's a really good point. Cortese clearly had a strong bond with the playing squad and he should have been booted straight out on gardening leave. That said, can you imagine the absolute shitstorm on here if it emerged that Kat had basically sacked the best thing to happen to this club since sliced bread? There would have been massive rebellion so it sort of had to be handled on the hush hush. It just goes to show there's always an awful lot going on behind the scenes that the likes of us know nothing about.
It's all about communication. If she had come out and said 'look Cortese has resigned, I have done my best to persuade him to stay (which she did) but I have failed. Therefore it has been agreed he will depart immediately and we are now actively seeking a replacement to take this club forward.' There would have been a sh!tstorm but it would have been better than what happened as a result of the path chosen.
I agree that would of been the best thing to do, but I purchased and took over a business in a different industry to the one I had been in for years I thought I could work with the existing guys they led me a merry dance for six months and I look back the same as we are doing here and think why didn't I see the problems that manifested themselves.

But you are right I think we may and that's a big may of avoided some loses, however, conspiracy coming run to the hills, I do think NC has pulled at least a few media strings since he has gone if not a lot more.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did. As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh? I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.[/p][/quote]Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.[/p][/quote]Actually, that's a really good point. Cortese clearly had a strong bond with the playing squad and he should have been booted straight out on gardening leave. That said, can you imagine the absolute shitstorm on here if it emerged that Kat had basically sacked the best thing to happen to this club since sliced bread? There would have been massive rebellion so it sort of had to be handled on the hush hush. It just goes to show there's always an awful lot going on behind the scenes that the likes of us know nothing about.[/p][/quote]It's all about communication. If she had come out and said 'look Cortese has resigned, I have done my best to persuade him to stay (which she did) but I have failed. Therefore it has been agreed he will depart immediately and we are now actively seeking a replacement to take this club forward.' There would have been a sh!tstorm but it would have been better than what happened as a result of the path chosen.[/p][/quote]I agree that would of been the best thing to do, but I purchased and took over a business in a different industry to the one I had been in for years I thought I could work with the existing guys they led me a merry dance for six months and I look back the same as we are doing here and think why didn't I see the problems that manifested themselves. But you are right I think we may and that's a big may of avoided some loses, however, conspiracy coming run to the hills, I do think NC has pulled at least a few media strings since he has gone if not a lot more. fascia123
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11:09pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi










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m-report-premier-lea










gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I always remember David Prutton saying just after Saints were relegated and George Burley was appointed and a number of high profile players left (Nigel Quashie et al) that he just hoped we bought some players in who 'wanted to play for the club.' He went on to score in the League Cup then was promptly sold.

I just hope that we can now do what David Prutton said and actually get in those players, but I also want owners who genuinely care not just about short termism, but genuine sustained growth and viability. Lets give it two years and see where we are.
I'm fine with that but don't see why people are so certain that's what we now have. Surely anyone who watched the team over the last few seasons cannot have failed to see the camaraderie that existed between that group of players enabling them to punch above their weight.
That is a point I cannot argue with, but did they all have a common goal to leave I wonder? Where will we end up now? I don't think we will know the answers for a couple of seasons unfortunately!
That's life's greatest and cruelest irony: it must be lived forwards but can only be understood backwards.
Yes, and mistakes can only be undone in hindsight.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I always remember David Prutton saying just after Saints were relegated and George Burley was appointed and a number of high profile players left (Nigel Quashie et al) that he just hoped we bought some players in who 'wanted to play for the club.' He went on to score in the League Cup then was promptly sold. I just hope that we can now do what David Prutton said and actually get in those players, but I also want owners who genuinely care not just about short termism, but genuine sustained growth and viability. Lets give it two years and see where we are.[/p][/quote]I'm fine with that but don't see why people are so certain that's what we now have. Surely anyone who watched the team over the last few seasons cannot have failed to see the camaraderie that existed between that group of players enabling them to punch above their weight.[/p][/quote]That is a point I cannot argue with, but did they all have a common goal to leave I wonder? Where will we end up now? I don't think we will know the answers for a couple of seasons unfortunately![/p][/quote]That's life's greatest and cruelest irony: it must be lived forwards but can only be understood backwards.[/p][/quote]Yes, and mistakes can only be undone in hindsight. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 1

11:19pm Thu 28 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi










an.com/football/2014










/mar/06/qpr-debt-177










m-report-premier-lea










gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did.

As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh?

I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.
Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.
Actually, that's a really good point. Cortese clearly had a strong bond with the playing squad and he should have been booted straight out on gardening leave. That said, can you imagine the absolute shitstorm on here if it emerged that Kat had basically sacked the best thing to happen to this club since sliced bread? There would have been massive rebellion so it sort of had to be handled on the hush hush. It just goes to show there's always an awful lot going on behind the scenes that the likes of us know nothing about.
It's all about communication. If she had come out and said 'look Cortese has resigned, I have done my best to persuade him to stay (which she did) but I have failed. Therefore it has been agreed he will depart immediately and we are now actively seeking a replacement to take this club forward.' There would have been a sh!tstorm but it would have been better than what happened as a result of the path chosen.
You're probably right, but I guess it didn't take her long to learn the lessons from that. This summer she oversaw what was, to put it mildly, a pretty bold roll of the dice. She's uprooted pretty much all aspects of the old regime with ties to Cortese and now we go again. I really, really hope it works out as it sends an amazing message to players that they need us more than we need them and they should feel privileged to wear those stripes.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did. As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh? I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.[/p][/quote]Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.[/p][/quote]Actually, that's a really good point. Cortese clearly had a strong bond with the playing squad and he should have been booted straight out on gardening leave. That said, can you imagine the absolute shitstorm on here if it emerged that Kat had basically sacked the best thing to happen to this club since sliced bread? There would have been massive rebellion so it sort of had to be handled on the hush hush. It just goes to show there's always an awful lot going on behind the scenes that the likes of us know nothing about.[/p][/quote]It's all about communication. If she had come out and said 'look Cortese has resigned, I have done my best to persuade him to stay (which she did) but I have failed. Therefore it has been agreed he will depart immediately and we are now actively seeking a replacement to take this club forward.' There would have been a sh!tstorm but it would have been better than what happened as a result of the path chosen.[/p][/quote]You're probably right, but I guess it didn't take her long to learn the lessons from that. This summer she oversaw what was, to put it mildly, a pretty bold roll of the dice. She's uprooted pretty much all aspects of the old regime with ties to Cortese and now we go again. I really, really hope it works out as it sends an amazing message to players that they need us more than we need them and they should feel privileged to wear those stripes. St Van Roetford
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11:21pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi













an.com/football/2014













/mar/06/qpr-debt-177













m-report-premier-lea













gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.
Spot on.

I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool.

What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it.

And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault.

Rant over.
Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me!
Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that.
Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.
When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone.

Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.
Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0)
But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.
You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly.

Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.
I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis.
A week on penicillin sorted it right out!!
We have so much in common.

Did you have the crochet needle treatment and the blue pills?
Yep, sure did.
To make matters even worse My appointment was on a day when trainee nurses etc were there.
One of the most embarrassing days of my life!! And still makes my eyes water thinking about!
Did they give you a handful of cards to give to anyone you had slept with, can you imagine having to tell someone you might of given them the clap, I chucked them in the bin outside the clinic.
I introduced chlamydia to the Uk in the 80's when no one had heard of it! One girl I gave it to gave it back :(
Chlamydia Is supposed to addle the brain as the years progress, and finds you with alternative opinions to the well informed.

Sorry couldn't resist
:)
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Agree again fascia ..... I don't want this (a QPR) for our club. IMO the big earners have been removed with players on more sensible salaries joining. The ambition is different but in line with annual revenue the football club turns over. Really pleased with Ron and players - want all saints fans to get behind new team and management.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I am about to sound like my dad now god rest his soul (a saints fan all his life) but I was talking to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was discussing some of the derogatory comments about club, players, board etc you get on here, he said it's just the same with skiverpool. What we did conclude and this is where I sound like my dad, it's more a society problem than a football one, when I got married I was happy with a secondhand sofa and built things up over many years etc, whereas my son and his girlfriend and most of their mates had to have the house fitted top to bottom in a couple of weeks with the best of everything and didn't give a stuff how they were going to finance it. And the minute they couldn't have the best of everything the bottom had fallen out of their world and it was everybody else's fault. Rant over.[/p][/quote]Ha ha,that's so true! Don't know about your Dad,you sound more like me! Just after I got married,I bought my first motor in1975,a nineteen sixty something or other Singer Vogue for £40 quid.I'd only had it about a month,when the kingpin snapped going down Sandy Lane in Fair Oak,and I found myself sailing along on three wheels.There was a twenty foot gouge in the road outside the shops for years after that. Soon got myself back on the road though,shelled out £95 quid on a 1965 Mk 1 Cortina..£5 for the car,and about £90 quid's worth of rust.Loved that car though.[/p][/quote]When I was 18 (1976) I wanted a Mk1 Lotus Cortina and would still love one, instead I had to settle for a Yamaha RD 250, earned £17.50 per week, fiver keep, £7.00 a week HP for the bike, three weeks later I ploughed into a fence pole doing my best Barry Sheen impression around a corner and did £200 of damage and fractured my collarbone. Sounding like my dad again my kids have never been allowed near a motorcycle, such hypocrites.[/p][/quote]Was an NSU Quickly man myself. :0) But I did get through all the Cortina Mk's except the 4 and 5,(loved the Mk 3's),but all of them were about ten years old by the time I got my hands on them.[/p][/quote]You used to peddle like mad then I you had an NSU slowly. Mk11 Capri was my first car, Daytona yellow a babe magnet if ever there was one, that was as long as I took the babes to the garage.[/p][/quote]I had an NSU when I was a teenager.....Non Specific Urethritis. A week on penicillin sorted it right out!![/p][/quote]We have so much in common. Did you have the crochet needle treatment and the blue pills?[/p][/quote]Yep, sure did. To make matters even worse My appointment was on a day when trainee nurses etc were there. One of the most embarrassing days of my life!! And still makes my eyes water thinking about![/p][/quote]Did they give you a handful of cards to give to anyone you had slept with, can you imagine having to tell someone you might of given them the clap, I chucked them in the bin outside the clinic.[/p][/quote]I introduced chlamydia to the Uk in the 80's when no one had heard of it! One girl I gave it to gave it back :([/p][/quote]Chlamydia Is supposed to addle the brain as the years progress, and finds you with alternative opinions to the well informed. Sorry couldn't resist[/p][/quote]:) Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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11:21pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Well that was a most enjoyable evening of debate on my favourite subjects, football, the saints, the past, music, STDs etc

Thank you all and I am sure no fall outs that I can remember.
Well that was a most enjoyable evening of debate on my favourite subjects, football, the saints, the past, music, STDs etc Thank you all and I am sure no fall outs that I can remember. fascia123
  • Score: 2

11:24pm Thu 28 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi











an.com/football/2014











/mar/06/qpr-debt-177











m-report-premier-lea











gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I always remember David Prutton saying just after Saints were relegated and George Burley was appointed and a number of high profile players left (Nigel Quashie et al) that he just hoped we bought some players in who 'wanted to play for the club.' He went on to score in the League Cup then was promptly sold.

I just hope that we can now do what David Prutton said and actually get in those players, but I also want owners who genuinely care not just about short termism, but genuine sustained growth and viability. Lets give it two years and see where we are.
I'm fine with that but don't see why people are so certain that's what we now have. Surely anyone who watched the team over the last few seasons cannot have failed to see the camaraderie that existed between that group of players enabling them to punch above their weight.
That is a point I cannot argue with, but did they all have a common goal to leave I wonder? Where will we end up now? I don't think we will know the answers for a couple of seasons unfortunately!
That's life's greatest and cruelest irony: it must be lived forwards but can only be understood backwards.
Yes, and mistakes can only be undone in hindsight.
Aye, that's yer basic Soren Kierkegaard in a nutshell. What a defender her was...
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I always remember David Prutton saying just after Saints were relegated and George Burley was appointed and a number of high profile players left (Nigel Quashie et al) that he just hoped we bought some players in who 'wanted to play for the club.' He went on to score in the League Cup then was promptly sold. I just hope that we can now do what David Prutton said and actually get in those players, but I also want owners who genuinely care not just about short termism, but genuine sustained growth and viability. Lets give it two years and see where we are.[/p][/quote]I'm fine with that but don't see why people are so certain that's what we now have. Surely anyone who watched the team over the last few seasons cannot have failed to see the camaraderie that existed between that group of players enabling them to punch above their weight.[/p][/quote]That is a point I cannot argue with, but did they all have a common goal to leave I wonder? Where will we end up now? I don't think we will know the answers for a couple of seasons unfortunately![/p][/quote]That's life's greatest and cruelest irony: it must be lived forwards but can only be understood backwards.[/p][/quote]Yes, and mistakes can only be undone in hindsight.[/p][/quote]Aye, that's yer basic Soren Kierkegaard in a nutshell. What a defender her was... St Van Roetford
  • Score: -1

11:26pm Thu 28 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

fascia123 wrote:
Well that was a most enjoyable evening of debate on my favourite subjects, football, the saints, the past, music, STDs etc

Thank you all and I am sure no fall outs that I can remember.
It's been good on here tonight. WELL DONE EVERYONE!
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Well that was a most enjoyable evening of debate on my favourite subjects, football, the saints, the past, music, STDs etc Thank you all and I am sure no fall outs that I can remember.[/p][/quote]It's been good on here tonight. WELL DONE EVERYONE! St Van Roetford
  • Score: 1

11:28pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

fascia123 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi











an.com/football/2014











/mar/06/qpr-debt-177











m-report-premier-lea











gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did.

As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh?

I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.
Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.
Actually, that's a really good point. Cortese clearly had a strong bond with the playing squad and he should have been booted straight out on gardening leave. That said, can you imagine the absolute shitstorm on here if it emerged that Kat had basically sacked the best thing to happen to this club since sliced bread? There would have been massive rebellion so it sort of had to be handled on the hush hush. It just goes to show there's always an awful lot going on behind the scenes that the likes of us know nothing about.
It's all about communication. If she had come out and said 'look Cortese has resigned, I have done my best to persuade him to stay (which she did) but I have failed. Therefore it has been agreed he will depart immediately and we are now actively seeking a replacement to take this club forward.' There would have been a sh!tstorm but it would have been better than what happened as a result of the path chosen.
I agree that would of been the best thing to do, but I purchased and took over a business in a different industry to the one I had been in for years I thought I could work with the existing guys they led me a merry dance for six months and I look back the same as we are doing here and think why didn't I see the problems that manifested themselves.

But you are right I think we may and that's a big may of avoided some loses, however, conspiracy coming run to the hills, I do think NC has pulled at least a few media strings since he has gone if not a lot more.
I always put one of my own in, you have to have someone you can trust. If that bond had existed between KL and NC they'd still be working together today. Never mind whose fault, that relationship was not there, and it was naive of her to leave him in post.

I expect he has been stirring the sh!t but an ex Swiss Italian banker who was chairman of a club for a few short years soon gets forgotten. I wouldn't over estimate his influential ability now he's out of power.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did. As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh? I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.[/p][/quote]Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.[/p][/quote]Actually, that's a really good point. Cortese clearly had a strong bond with the playing squad and he should have been booted straight out on gardening leave. That said, can you imagine the absolute shitstorm on here if it emerged that Kat had basically sacked the best thing to happen to this club since sliced bread? There would have been massive rebellion so it sort of had to be handled on the hush hush. It just goes to show there's always an awful lot going on behind the scenes that the likes of us know nothing about.[/p][/quote]It's all about communication. If she had come out and said 'look Cortese has resigned, I have done my best to persuade him to stay (which she did) but I have failed. Therefore it has been agreed he will depart immediately and we are now actively seeking a replacement to take this club forward.' There would have been a sh!tstorm but it would have been better than what happened as a result of the path chosen.[/p][/quote]I agree that would of been the best thing to do, but I purchased and took over a business in a different industry to the one I had been in for years I thought I could work with the existing guys they led me a merry dance for six months and I look back the same as we are doing here and think why didn't I see the problems that manifested themselves. But you are right I think we may and that's a big may of avoided some loses, however, conspiracy coming run to the hills, I do think NC has pulled at least a few media strings since he has gone if not a lot more.[/p][/quote]I always put one of my own in, you have to have someone you can trust. If that bond had existed between KL and NC they'd still be working together today. Never mind whose fault, that relationship was not there, and it was naive of her to leave him in post. I expect he has been stirring the sh!t but an ex Swiss Italian banker who was chairman of a club for a few short years soon gets forgotten. I wouldn't over estimate his influential ability now he's out of power. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -1

11:31pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi











an.com/football/2014











/mar/06/qpr-debt-177











m-report-premier-lea











gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did.

As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh?

I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.
Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.
Actually, that's a really good point. Cortese clearly had a strong bond with the playing squad and he should have been booted straight out on gardening leave. That said, can you imagine the absolute shitstorm on here if it emerged that Kat had basically sacked the best thing to happen to this club since sliced bread? There would have been massive rebellion so it sort of had to be handled on the hush hush. It just goes to show there's always an awful lot going on behind the scenes that the likes of us know nothing about.
It's all about communication. If she had come out and said 'look Cortese has resigned, I have done my best to persuade him to stay (which she did) but I have failed. Therefore it has been agreed he will depart immediately and we are now actively seeking a replacement to take this club forward.' There would have been a sh!tstorm but it would have been better than what happened as a result of the path chosen.
You're probably right, but I guess it didn't take her long to learn the lessons from that. This summer she oversaw what was, to put it mildly, a pretty bold roll of the dice. She's uprooted pretty much all aspects of the old regime with ties to Cortese and now we go again. I really, really hope it works out as it sends an amazing message to players that they need us more than we need them and they should feel privileged to wear those stripes.
That's a good point, we have all dreamed of playing for the saints and spent a bloody fortune supporting them through thick and thin and it should be an absolute privilege to play for those stripes.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did. As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh? I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.[/p][/quote]Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.[/p][/quote]Actually, that's a really good point. Cortese clearly had a strong bond with the playing squad and he should have been booted straight out on gardening leave. That said, can you imagine the absolute shitstorm on here if it emerged that Kat had basically sacked the best thing to happen to this club since sliced bread? There would have been massive rebellion so it sort of had to be handled on the hush hush. It just goes to show there's always an awful lot going on behind the scenes that the likes of us know nothing about.[/p][/quote]It's all about communication. If she had come out and said 'look Cortese has resigned, I have done my best to persuade him to stay (which she did) but I have failed. Therefore it has been agreed he will depart immediately and we are now actively seeking a replacement to take this club forward.' There would have been a sh!tstorm but it would have been better than what happened as a result of the path chosen.[/p][/quote]You're probably right, but I guess it didn't take her long to learn the lessons from that. This summer she oversaw what was, to put it mildly, a pretty bold roll of the dice. She's uprooted pretty much all aspects of the old regime with ties to Cortese and now we go again. I really, really hope it works out as it sends an amazing message to players that they need us more than we need them and they should feel privileged to wear those stripes.[/p][/quote]That's a good point, we have all dreamed of playing for the saints and spent a bloody fortune supporting them through thick and thin and it should be an absolute privilege to play for those stripes. fascia123
  • Score: 1

11:33pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi











an.com/football/2014











/mar/06/qpr-debt-177











m-report-premier-lea











gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did.

As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh?

I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.
Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.
Actually, that's a really good point. Cortese clearly had a strong bond with the playing squad and he should have been booted straight out on gardening leave. That said, can you imagine the absolute shitstorm on here if it emerged that Kat had basically sacked the best thing to happen to this club since sliced bread? There would have been massive rebellion so it sort of had to be handled on the hush hush. It just goes to show there's always an awful lot going on behind the scenes that the likes of us know nothing about.
It's all about communication. If she had come out and said 'look Cortese has resigned, I have done my best to persuade him to stay (which she did) but I have failed. Therefore it has been agreed he will depart immediately and we are now actively seeking a replacement to take this club forward.' There would have been a sh!tstorm but it would have been better than what happened as a result of the path chosen.
You're probably right, but I guess it didn't take her long to learn the lessons from that. This summer she oversaw what was, to put it mildly, a pretty bold roll of the dice. She's uprooted pretty much all aspects of the old regime with ties to Cortese and now we go again. I really, really hope it works out as it sends an amazing message to players that they need us more than we need them and they should feel privileged to wear those stripes.
I don't think that's the message we have sent to players and future players at all.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did. As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh? I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.[/p][/quote]Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.[/p][/quote]Actually, that's a really good point. Cortese clearly had a strong bond with the playing squad and he should have been booted straight out on gardening leave. That said, can you imagine the absolute shitstorm on here if it emerged that Kat had basically sacked the best thing to happen to this club since sliced bread? There would have been massive rebellion so it sort of had to be handled on the hush hush. It just goes to show there's always an awful lot going on behind the scenes that the likes of us know nothing about.[/p][/quote]It's all about communication. If she had come out and said 'look Cortese has resigned, I have done my best to persuade him to stay (which she did) but I have failed. Therefore it has been agreed he will depart immediately and we are now actively seeking a replacement to take this club forward.' There would have been a sh!tstorm but it would have been better than what happened as a result of the path chosen.[/p][/quote]You're probably right, but I guess it didn't take her long to learn the lessons from that. This summer she oversaw what was, to put it mildly, a pretty bold roll of the dice. She's uprooted pretty much all aspects of the old regime with ties to Cortese and now we go again. I really, really hope it works out as it sends an amazing message to players that they need us more than we need them and they should feel privileged to wear those stripes.[/p][/quote]I don't think that's the message we have sent to players and future players at all. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

11:39pm Thu 28 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

fascia123 wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi












an.com/football/2014












/mar/06/qpr-debt-177












m-report-premier-lea












gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did.

As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh?

I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.
Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.
Actually, that's a really good point. Cortese clearly had a strong bond with the playing squad and he should have been booted straight out on gardening leave. That said, can you imagine the absolute shitstorm on here if it emerged that Kat had basically sacked the best thing to happen to this club since sliced bread? There would have been massive rebellion so it sort of had to be handled on the hush hush. It just goes to show there's always an awful lot going on behind the scenes that the likes of us know nothing about.
It's all about communication. If she had come out and said 'look Cortese has resigned, I have done my best to persuade him to stay (which she did) but I have failed. Therefore it has been agreed he will depart immediately and we are now actively seeking a replacement to take this club forward.' There would have been a sh!tstorm but it would have been better than what happened as a result of the path chosen.
You're probably right, but I guess it didn't take her long to learn the lessons from that. This summer she oversaw what was, to put it mildly, a pretty bold roll of the dice. She's uprooted pretty much all aspects of the old regime with ties to Cortese and now we go again. I really, really hope it works out as it sends an amazing message to players that they need us more than we need them and they should feel privileged to wear those stripes.
That's a good point, we have all dreamed of playing for the saints and spent a bloody fortune supporting them through thick and thin and it should be an absolute privilege to play for those stripes.
Innit. It's time we regained a bit of confidence and realised the exit of a Swiss banker and his little clique isn't the end of the world. We are much, much bigger than all that.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did. As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh? I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.[/p][/quote]Yep concur with that. I think the biggest mistake KL has made is not replacing Cortese when he resigned last November instead of him serving out his notice or at least getting his replacement in alongside. I wouldn't want a character like that running my business once his interests lay elsewhere. Big mistake and lead to a massive period of uncertainty for those in the know which would have been MoPo and the senior squad. Performances tailed off too.[/p][/quote]Actually, that's a really good point. Cortese clearly had a strong bond with the playing squad and he should have been booted straight out on gardening leave. That said, can you imagine the absolute shitstorm on here if it emerged that Kat had basically sacked the best thing to happen to this club since sliced bread? There would have been massive rebellion so it sort of had to be handled on the hush hush. It just goes to show there's always an awful lot going on behind the scenes that the likes of us know nothing about.[/p][/quote]It's all about communication. If she had come out and said 'look Cortese has resigned, I have done my best to persuade him to stay (which she did) but I have failed. Therefore it has been agreed he will depart immediately and we are now actively seeking a replacement to take this club forward.' There would have been a sh!tstorm but it would have been better than what happened as a result of the path chosen.[/p][/quote]You're probably right, but I guess it didn't take her long to learn the lessons from that. This summer she oversaw what was, to put it mildly, a pretty bold roll of the dice. She's uprooted pretty much all aspects of the old regime with ties to Cortese and now we go again. I really, really hope it works out as it sends an amazing message to players that they need us more than we need them and they should feel privileged to wear those stripes.[/p][/quote]That's a good point, we have all dreamed of playing for the saints and spent a bloody fortune supporting them through thick and thin and it should be an absolute privilege to play for those stripes.[/p][/quote]Innit. It's time we regained a bit of confidence and realised the exit of a Swiss banker and his little clique isn't the end of the world. We are much, much bigger than all that. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 2

12:47am Fri 29 Aug 14

one in the crowd says...

Saints are obviously missing out on players because the club is offering too little for them and wants quality players for as little as possible or even on loan.

The clock is ticking ....................
... Tic, Tok, Tic, Tok

If your dozy management aren't quick enough you are going to have some critical shortages in your team !
Saints are obviously missing out on players because the club is offering too little for them and wants quality players for as little as possible or even on loan. The clock is ticking .................... ... Tic, Tok, Tic, Tok If your dozy management aren't quick enough you are going to have some critical shortages in your team ! one in the crowd
  • Score: 0

3:49am Fri 29 Aug 14

drkensta says...

The question of missing out on players is more to do with how Koeman feels about it. Do the players we are missing out on constitute an important part of how he wants his team to be rebuilt, if so, we may have a problem of keeping him as our manager. Over the last two games , television pictures showed him with his head in his hands at the teams display, and commenting publicly that the team were sloppy during the first half of the Millwall game and that he had spoken to the team and he would not forget their first half sloppiness. I am not sure that public displays of frustration with the team or public announcements of the teams waywardness are good for morale, especially after the traumas of the summer exits. I hope things can be stabilized and the team performances can be subject to public praise.
The question of missing out on players is more to do with how Koeman feels about it. Do the players we are missing out on constitute an important part of how he wants his team to be rebuilt, if so, we may have a problem of keeping him as our manager. Over the last two games , television pictures showed him with his head in his hands at the teams display, and commenting publicly that the team were sloppy during the first half of the Millwall game and that he had spoken to the team and he would not forget their first half sloppiness. I am not sure that public displays of frustration with the team or public announcements of the teams waywardness are good for morale, especially after the traumas of the summer exits. I hope things can be stabilized and the team performances can be subject to public praise. drkensta
  • Score: -3

5:48am Fri 29 Aug 14

saintand266 says...

one in the crowd wrote:
Saints are obviously missing out on players because the club is offering too little for them and wants quality players for as little as possible or even on loan.

The clock is ticking ....................

... Tic, Tok, Tic, Tok

If your dozy management aren't quick enough you are going to have some critical shortages in your team !
Speaking of ticking clocks ...
Not long to go till you finally get a local derby with Eastleigh
Tic Toc Tic Toc Tic Toc
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: Saints are obviously missing out on players because the club is offering too little for them and wants quality players for as little as possible or even on loan. The clock is ticking .................... ... Tic, Tok, Tic, Tok If your dozy management aren't quick enough you are going to have some critical shortages in your team ![/p][/quote]Speaking of ticking clocks ... Not long to go till you finally get a local derby with Eastleigh Tic Toc Tic Toc Tic Toc saintand266
  • Score: 6

6:15am Fri 29 Aug 14

Wembley76 says...

drkensta wrote:
The question of missing out on players is more to do with how Koeman feels about it. Do the players we are missing out on constitute an important part of how he wants his team to be rebuilt, if so, we may have a problem of keeping him as our manager. Over the last two games , television pictures showed him with his head in his hands at the teams display, and commenting publicly that the team were sloppy during the first half of the Millwall game and that he had spoken to the team and he would not forget their first half sloppiness. I am not sure that public displays of frustration with the team or public announcements of the teams waywardness are good for morale, especially after the traumas of the summer exits. I hope things can be stabilized and the team performances can be subject to public praise.
If you listen to his comments, he gives praise in buckets where it is earned, and he has every right to criticise the team (not indivuduals) if they are not playing well...I like his honesty and openness.. it is a breath of fresh air, partic' after the guarded Mo Po....it is also the Dutch culture not standing behind pc...so go ahead and speak your mind Ronald..
[quote][p][bold]drkensta[/bold] wrote: The question of missing out on players is more to do with how Koeman feels about it. Do the players we are missing out on constitute an important part of how he wants his team to be rebuilt, if so, we may have a problem of keeping him as our manager. Over the last two games , television pictures showed him with his head in his hands at the teams display, and commenting publicly that the team were sloppy during the first half of the Millwall game and that he had spoken to the team and he would not forget their first half sloppiness. I am not sure that public displays of frustration with the team or public announcements of the teams waywardness are good for morale, especially after the traumas of the summer exits. I hope things can be stabilized and the team performances can be subject to public praise.[/p][/quote]If you listen to his comments, he gives praise in buckets where it is earned, and he has every right to criticise the team (not indivuduals) if they are not playing well...I like his honesty and openness.. it is a breath of fresh air, partic' after the guarded Mo Po....it is also the Dutch culture not standing behind pc...so go ahead and speak your mind Ronald.. Wembley76
  • Score: 10

7:16am Fri 29 Aug 14

promised land says...

I have waited patiently to see how things develope when it comes to new signings coming in, with the understanding some of the players being linked to the Club are simply rumours but I'm sure a number were true. This Belgium guy seemingly credible ? To be losing out to Sunderland I am seriously doubting the ability of head of recruitment Les Reed. He appears to lack the ability to make Southampton FC an attractive club to play for.
I have waited patiently to see how things develope when it comes to new signings coming in, with the understanding some of the players being linked to the Club are simply rumours but I'm sure a number were true. This Belgium guy seemingly credible ? To be losing out to Sunderland I am seriously doubting the ability of head of recruitment Les Reed. He appears to lack the ability to make Southampton FC an attractive club to play for. promised land
  • Score: 0

8:03am Fri 29 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I don't like the new format of these messages and I am struggling to understand some of the posts!
I don't like the new format of these messages and I am struggling to understand some of the posts! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

8:24am Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

promised land wrote:
I have waited patiently to see how things develope when it comes to new signings coming in, with the understanding some of the players being linked to the Club are simply rumours but I'm sure a number were true. This Belgium guy seemingly credible ? To be losing out to Sunderland I am seriously doubting the ability of head of recruitment Les Reed. He appears to lack the ability to make Southampton FC an attractive club to play for.
Or maybe Saints just ain't that attractive at the moment. Sunderland is a crap hole but have you seen the Stadium? They pretty much match us for most things except the academy and the training facilities. They are roughly our equal in most things. Now add to that there are many clubs not being run in the same careful, cautious and wise way in which we are (hence their amount of debts compared to ours) This could be down to their wages and there you have the best reason many players will find to join other clubs over ours.
Other clubs know we have a knack of spotting great potential so they watch who we get serious about then step in and nick him, done it for years sometimes at the very last moment. This has NOTHING to do with Les Reed and everything to do with good financial management. I read on here yesterday (so it must be true right!?) that QPR is £117m in debt and still offering outrageous wages - Let's not go down that road please - we know where that goes we were all but there ourselves a few short years ago. Southampton is already as attractive as most top flight clubs in Europe (and IMHO slowly but surely getting more attractive) let's keep it that way. We are also solvent and we MUST keep it that way. Just be grateful that someone is keeping the pie in the sky merchants away from the decision making process in the club.
[quote][p][bold]promised land[/bold] wrote: I have waited patiently to see how things develope when it comes to new signings coming in, with the understanding some of the players being linked to the Club are simply rumours but I'm sure a number were true. This Belgium guy seemingly credible ? To be losing out to Sunderland I am seriously doubting the ability of head of recruitment Les Reed. He appears to lack the ability to make Southampton FC an attractive club to play for.[/p][/quote]Or maybe Saints just ain't that attractive at the moment. Sunderland is a crap hole but have you seen the Stadium? They pretty much match us for most things except the academy and the training facilities. They are roughly our equal in most things. Now add to that there are many clubs not being run in the same careful, cautious and wise way in which we are (hence their amount of debts compared to ours) This could be down to their wages and there you have the best reason many players will find to join other clubs over ours. Other clubs know we have a knack of spotting great potential so they watch who we get serious about then step in and nick him, done it for years sometimes at the very last moment. This has NOTHING to do with Les Reed and everything to do with good financial management. I read on here yesterday (so it must be true right!?) that QPR is £117m in debt and still offering outrageous wages - Let's not go down that road please - we know where that goes we were all but there ourselves a few short years ago. Southampton is already as attractive as most top flight clubs in Europe (and IMHO slowly but surely getting more attractive) let's keep it that way. We are also solvent and we MUST keep it that way. Just be grateful that someone is keeping the pie in the sky merchants away from the decision making process in the club. jls217
  • Score: 4

8:26am Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

one in the crowd wrote:
Saints are obviously missing out on players because the club is offering too little for them and wants quality players for as little as possible or even on loan.

The clock is ticking ....................

... Tic, Tok, Tic, Tok

If your dozy management aren't quick enough you are going to have some critical shortages in your team !
Not quite as many as there are in yours though to be fair mate.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: Saints are obviously missing out on players because the club is offering too little for them and wants quality players for as little as possible or even on loan. The clock is ticking .................... ... Tic, Tok, Tic, Tok If your dozy management aren't quick enough you are going to have some critical shortages in your team ![/p][/quote]Not quite as many as there are in yours though to be fair mate. jls217
  • Score: 0

8:44am Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

fascia123 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
I will continue as I have no idea why that posted.
Is that I would not want anyone on here to think you would consider lying and making false accusations to further one of your own spurious cognitions by putting the spotlight on someone else's risshole to take it off your own.
In other words you're talking blx but then you knew that didn't you?
JLs who's post is this in response to?
Sri 123 - Should have made that clear. Seed was on one of his imaginary and economical with the truth rants again, I guess his hemarrhoids are itching bless him. He spuriously attributed statements to me - I replied, questioning his memory and indeed his credibility. On making that reply I lost my screen momentarily and found what I had already typed had been posted. The first part made no real sense without what was to follow so I just continued, unfazed into the second part of reply to him. Should have identified the object of my ire and an explanation - sri - Unlike NC I am far from perfect. Been around far too long to be taken in by the likes of Seed.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: I will continue as I have no idea why that posted. Is that I would not want anyone on here to think you would consider lying and making false accusations to further one of your own spurious cognitions by putting the spotlight on someone else's risshole to take it off your own. In other words you're talking blx but then you knew that didn't you?[/p][/quote]JLs who's post is this in response to?[/p][/quote]Sri 123 - Should have made that clear. Seed was on one of his imaginary and economical with the truth rants again, I guess his hemarrhoids are itching bless him. He spuriously attributed statements to me - I replied, questioning his memory and indeed his credibility. On making that reply I lost my screen momentarily and found what I had already typed had been posted. The first part made no real sense without what was to follow so I just continued, unfazed into the second part of reply to him. Should have identified the object of my ire and an explanation - sri - Unlike NC I am far from perfect. Been around far too long to be taken in by the likes of Seed. jls217
  • Score: 2

8:46am Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

george chivers wrote:
This just demonstrates we need to sign players quickly at the end of a season not let it run to the final day. I'm quite sure we will have go through this nightmare again in January when Spiderman demands to go and possibly J Rod.

Sadly I have got to the point where I accept we will always sell our best players and replace them with average ones, or worse. We are in a cycle that we won't come out of until hopefully KL sells the club to somebody who is willing to up the stakes in terms of investment and get rid of the instability that plagues our club.

I am also beginning to worry about the academy long term. A constant turnover of coaches is not good. If we have got the best academy in the country why do the coaches keep leaving? Huw Jennings and others are at Fulham. Why is that? Fulham? Not Liverpool, Man U, etc, bloody Fulham. Wages I guess, or possibly Les's man moving people out.

I am hoping when KL has got her money back from the overspend incurred by Cortese she will sell the club and we can say goodbye to Les etc. Some will call me a Neggie for saying that but I believe it is a positive call. We are on a road nowhere with the current ownership, no goals, no targets, just premium sales, cheap replacements, a lack of management and player continuity, leading to instability, mediocrity and reducing attendances. All that needs to change if we are to be successful.

I live for the day KL gets her money back, sells, makes a profit and departs.
Be careful for what you wish - you may one day get it!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: This just demonstrates we need to sign players quickly at the end of a season not let it run to the final day. I'm quite sure we will have go through this nightmare again in January when Spiderman demands to go and possibly J Rod. Sadly I have got to the point where I accept we will always sell our best players and replace them with average ones, or worse. We are in a cycle that we won't come out of until hopefully KL sells the club to somebody who is willing to up the stakes in terms of investment and get rid of the instability that plagues our club. I am also beginning to worry about the academy long term. A constant turnover of coaches is not good. If we have got the best academy in the country why do the coaches keep leaving? Huw Jennings and others are at Fulham. Why is that? Fulham? Not Liverpool, Man U, etc, bloody Fulham. Wages I guess, or possibly Les's man moving people out. I am hoping when KL has got her money back from the overspend incurred by Cortese she will sell the club and we can say goodbye to Les etc. Some will call me a Neggie for saying that but I believe it is a positive call. We are on a road nowhere with the current ownership, no goals, no targets, just premium sales, cheap replacements, a lack of management and player continuity, leading to instability, mediocrity and reducing attendances. All that needs to change if we are to be successful. I live for the day KL gets her money back, sells, makes a profit and departs.[/p][/quote]Be careful for what you wish - you may one day get it! jls217
  • Score: 2

8:46am Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

george chivers wrote:
This just demonstrates we need to sign players quickly at the end of a season not let it run to the final day. I'm quite sure we will have go through this nightmare again in January when Spiderman demands to go and possibly J Rod.

Sadly I have got to the point where I accept we will always sell our best players and replace them with average ones, or worse. We are in a cycle that we won't come out of until hopefully KL sells the club to somebody who is willing to up the stakes in terms of investment and get rid of the instability that plagues our club.

I am also beginning to worry about the academy long term. A constant turnover of coaches is not good. If we have got the best academy in the country why do the coaches keep leaving? Huw Jennings and others are at Fulham. Why is that? Fulham? Not Liverpool, Man U, etc, bloody Fulham. Wages I guess, or possibly Les's man moving people out.

I am hoping when KL has got her money back from the overspend incurred by Cortese she will sell the club and we can say goodbye to Les etc. Some will call me a Neggie for saying that but I believe it is a positive call. We are on a road nowhere with the current ownership, no goals, no targets, just premium sales, cheap replacements, a lack of management and player continuity, leading to instability, mediocrity and reducing attendances. All that needs to change if we are to be successful.

I live for the day KL gets her money back, sells, makes a profit and departs.
Be careful for what you wish - you may one day get it!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: This just demonstrates we need to sign players quickly at the end of a season not let it run to the final day. I'm quite sure we will have go through this nightmare again in January when Spiderman demands to go and possibly J Rod. Sadly I have got to the point where I accept we will always sell our best players and replace them with average ones, or worse. We are in a cycle that we won't come out of until hopefully KL sells the club to somebody who is willing to up the stakes in terms of investment and get rid of the instability that plagues our club. I am also beginning to worry about the academy long term. A constant turnover of coaches is not good. If we have got the best academy in the country why do the coaches keep leaving? Huw Jennings and others are at Fulham. Why is that? Fulham? Not Liverpool, Man U, etc, bloody Fulham. Wages I guess, or possibly Les's man moving people out. I am hoping when KL has got her money back from the overspend incurred by Cortese she will sell the club and we can say goodbye to Les etc. Some will call me a Neggie for saying that but I believe it is a positive call. We are on a road nowhere with the current ownership, no goals, no targets, just premium sales, cheap replacements, a lack of management and player continuity, leading to instability, mediocrity and reducing attendances. All that needs to change if we are to be successful. I live for the day KL gets her money back, sells, makes a profit and departs.[/p][/quote]Be careful for what you wish - you may one day get it! jls217
  • Score: 2

8:49am Fri 29 Aug 14

Blackwaterblue says...

It's as I thought: all that money in the bank from sales and he doesn't have the budget to go out and get some good players. Strategy seems to be to stay in the Prem, but no more.
It's as I thought: all that money in the bank from sales and he doesn't have the budget to go out and get some good players. Strategy seems to be to stay in the Prem, but no more. Blackwaterblue
  • Score: -4

9:19am Fri 29 Aug 14

Wembley76 says...

Blackwaterblue wrote:
It's as I thought: all that money in the bank from sales and he doesn't have the budget to go out and get some good players. Strategy seems to be to stay in the Prem, but no more.
The arithmetic shows that we have already spent a v large chunk of the money and a couple more signings would see it virtually 'balance' especially if you include Bertrand and Taider as potential buys at the end of the loan period...just good business and a club not heading towards administration...we surely don't want to go down that road again...
[quote][p][bold]Blackwaterblue[/bold] wrote: It's as I thought: all that money in the bank from sales and he doesn't have the budget to go out and get some good players. Strategy seems to be to stay in the Prem, but no more.[/p][/quote]The arithmetic shows that we have already spent a v large chunk of the money and a couple more signings would see it virtually 'balance' especially if you include Bertrand and Taider as potential buys at the end of the loan period...just good business and a club not heading towards administration...we surely don't want to go down that road again... Wembley76
  • Score: 1

10:38am Fri 29 Aug 14

Beer Monster says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I don't like the new format of these messages and I am struggling to understand some of the posts!
The thing I find frustrating is that once an article gets to 100+ comments, then it becomes increasingly likely that my mobile will crash when trying to scroll through them all. We get free WiFi on ScotRail trains between Glasgow and Edinburgh, and I can't always take advantage of this!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I don't like the new format of these messages and I am struggling to understand some of the posts![/p][/quote]The thing I find frustrating is that once an article gets to 100+ comments, then it becomes increasingly likely that my mobile will crash when trying to scroll through them all. We get free WiFi on ScotRail trains between Glasgow and Edinburgh, and I can't always take advantage of this! Beer Monster
  • Score: 0

10:45am Fri 29 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Now the gossip is we are looking to sign a Stoke reject....

So the gossip is now we are looking to sign a Stoke reject....

http://www.stokesent

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uthampton-Brek-Shea/

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l/story.html
Now the gossip is we are looking to sign a Stoke reject.... So the gossip is now we are looking to sign a Stoke reject.... http://www.stokesent inel.co.uk/Stoke-Cit y-transfer-gossip-So uthampton-Brek-Shea/ story-22847745-detai l/story.html KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 0

1:46pm Fri 29 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi







an.com/football/2014







/mar/06/qpr-debt-177







m-report-premier-lea







gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did.

As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh?

I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.
We may have been portrayed as a family and friendly club however my support is in spite of SFC's attitude over 40 years not because of it…always had a poor relationship with the fans, ticket staff since the 70's always considered fans a 8loody nuisance and jobsworths made much of the club very unfriendly….loathe as ever to admit it but the Skates do like their fans.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did. As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh? I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.[/p][/quote]We may have been portrayed as a family and friendly club however my support is in spite of SFC's attitude over 40 years not because of it…always had a poor relationship with the fans, ticket staff since the 70's always considered fans a 8loody nuisance and jobsworths made much of the club very unfriendly….loathe as ever to admit it but the Skates do like their fans. warrens 76
  • Score: 1

2:52pm Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
COYR07 wrote:
buckeroo wrote:
People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us
Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.
http://www.theguardi








an.com/football/2014








/mar/06/qpr-debt-177








m-report-premier-lea








gue-relegation

In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL.

Do we want that risk for our club?
Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club.
Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?
Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL.

If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.
How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?
Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?
Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely.

Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.
I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did.

As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh?

I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.
We may have been portrayed as a family and friendly club however my support is in spite of SFC's attitude over 40 years not because of it…always had a poor relationship with the fans, ticket staff since the 70's always considered fans a 8loody nuisance and jobsworths made much of the club very unfriendly….loathe as ever to admit it but the Skates do like their fans.
Couldn't agree more mate certain individuals at Saints over the years have treated their fans, the community and their suppliers abominably. This is about the only lesson we could learn from Pimpey.
I remember an individual, a board member I will call C who repeatedly in my presence, as someone assisting a supplier to the club as, the great unwashed and though I can't remember his exact words said something along the lines of those f------ dumbarses out there are mugs and haven't got a clue. Not an entirely accurate account but mugs and f------ dumbarse and haven't got a clue all featured along with other barbed snipes which I really do not remember. He made no effort to cover what he said or make excuses for what he said. I didn't know him from Adam. The supplier I was carrying the items for winked at me and made the sign to leave which we did. He told me his name, as a Saints fan I was livid but of course I was there wearing the hat of a mate of mine running a business so just kept quiet. He went on to say this particular board member was a nasty piece of work who saw everyone in the same light, was pig ignorant and he hated having to deal with him he always came away feeling he could gladly kill him as he respected nobody. He'd been dealing with him a long time and it was an important contract for a small dealer so he tolerated it and then threw in but you should hear how he talks to his staff. So you're right we could do a lot better but probably won't.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]COYR07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckeroo[/bold] wrote: People are choosing Sunderland and qpr because there wages are a lot higher. Ffp again is killing us[/p][/quote]Agree and the owner wants the club to be self sustainable so won't pay huge wages - Caulker I would think on big money at QPR for example. If you pay 1 player big wages then all want so a difficult balancing act.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/06/qpr-debt-177 m-report-premier-lea gue-relegation In March the above report shows a QPR 117 million in dept, I would imagine that will increase unless they finish very high in EPL. Do we want that risk for our club?[/p][/quote]Yep, we are consolidating a bit this year but at least we are financially viable for the foreseeable future and I think there was a concern under Cortese that we were heading towards being an unsustainable club. Even given her huge financial resources, I would assume Ms Liebherr didn't want the club to head that way - whether she wanted to spend her money or not! I believe it's called prudence. After all, what good is Marcus' legacy if it is built on financial quicksand?[/p][/quote]Evening Frankie, I posted an article about the Liebherrs financial history last week and it outlined that their attitude was towards prudence and a dislike of debt and those business traits were most likely to of been inherited by KL. If that is the case it is fair to presume we won't always have cake if we haven't eaten our dinner, but for sure will always have food on our table.[/p][/quote]How do you reconcile those traits with owning a football club?[/p][/quote]Sorry to cut in, but we're not doing too badly at the moment compared to where we were five years ago, and if 17 million is where our debt and over spending is curbed I'd call that pretty prudent, especially if it looks like we will go into this season with a pretty strong squad and debts wiped out,wouldn't you?[/p][/quote]Yes provided it doesn't take us backwards on the pitch. I liked the previous regimes idea of developing our own talent, it also struck me as financial prudent, and supplementing it with a few purchases. Evolution not revolution. I think this regimes approach is very high risk, higher risk than Cortese bizarrely. Southampton is not going to sustain a position in the top 6, not now not ever. What we did have was the chance to have a short period in that lofty position and I fear we've blown it. Hope I'm wrong and that we push on from here as so many on here are convinced we will.[/p][/quote]I think Cortese's strategy (although we never got to see it) always involved selling off our homegrown talent for huge profit, albeit after they'd given us a couple of years of service). He was an advisor to Levekusen, after all, and this was exactly what they did. As ever, it's down to how that money is reinvested. The jury's still out on how well that's been done (and if we genuinely are losing out on transfer targets to people who would rather live in a cackhole like Sunderland than Southampton then alarm bells are ringing) but let's see how things stand on Monday night, eh? I think under the new board we've become a 'nice' club again and regained a lot of the spirit we lost under Cortese and that stuff matters, but I would hate that to come at the expense of results. I hope we can have both.[/p][/quote]We may have been portrayed as a family and friendly club however my support is in spite of SFC's attitude over 40 years not because of it…always had a poor relationship with the fans, ticket staff since the 70's always considered fans a 8loody nuisance and jobsworths made much of the club very unfriendly….loathe as ever to admit it but the Skates do like their fans.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more mate certain individuals at Saints over the years have treated their fans, the community and their suppliers abominably. This is about the only lesson we could learn from Pimpey. I remember an individual, a board member I will call C who repeatedly in my presence, as someone assisting a supplier to the club as, the great unwashed and though I can't remember his exact words said something along the lines of those f------ dumbarses out there are mugs and haven't got a clue. Not an entirely accurate account but mugs and f------ dumbarse and haven't got a clue all featured along with other barbed snipes which I really do not remember. He made no effort to cover what he said or make excuses for what he said. I didn't know him from Adam. The supplier I was carrying the items for winked at me and made the sign to leave which we did. He told me his name, as a Saints fan I was livid but of course I was there wearing the hat of a mate of mine running a business so just kept quiet. He went on to say this particular board member was a nasty piece of work who saw everyone in the same light, was pig ignorant and he hated having to deal with him he always came away feeling he could gladly kill him as he respected nobody. He'd been dealing with him a long time and it was an important contract for a small dealer so he tolerated it and then threw in but you should hear how he talks to his staff. So you're right we could do a lot better but probably won't. jls217
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3:41pm Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

http://www.sportal.c
o.nz/football/news/c
lasie-signs-feyenoor
d-extension/md51m35r
xi5714vnqe6x0eh7q?


There's that one gone - though not sure we need another CM anyway.
http://www.sportal.c o.nz/football/news/c lasie-signs-feyenoor d-extension/md51m35r xi5714vnqe6x0eh7q? There's that one gone - though not sure we need another CM anyway. jls217
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3:46pm Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

https://www.clubcall
.com/southampton/sai
nts-given-boost-in-d
efender-hunt-1738265
.html?


Could be game back on for this lad
https://www.clubcall .com/southampton/sai nts-given-boost-in-d efender-hunt-1738265 .html? Could be game back on for this lad jls217
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7:27pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Pragmatist55 says...

I'm sorry but he looks like a total bozo.

Would you employ him in your business?
I'm sorry but he looks like a total bozo. Would you employ him in your business? Pragmatist55
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10:11pm Fri 29 Aug 14

one in the crowd says...

Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 2 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon.

The questions one has to ask are :-

1. When will the cub be put up for sale.

2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints
will be in the relegation zone once more.
Having got £90+ Million selling the team and only replacing them with Z listed players and loan players costing £45 Million the owners of Saints have banked £45+ Million. They are still short of at least 2 key players and don't seem in any hurry to pay out and get top class players to fill these important gaps in the team, depite the transfer window closing soon. The questions one has to ask are :- 1. When will the cub be put up for sale. 2. Its looking certain now, that at the end of the current season Saints will be in the relegation zone once more. one in the crowd
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10:22pm Wed 17 Sep 14

Pragmatist55 says...

I agree. There is a hidden agenda here. Either this manager is a total bozo - quite possible, he certainly looks the part- or he is play acting. In either case I see a sale of the club on the way. That is the priority
I agree. There is a hidden agenda here. Either this manager is a total bozo - quite possible, he certainly looks the part- or he is play acting. In either case I see a sale of the club on the way. That is the priority Pragmatist55
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