Koeman calm over Schneiderlin decision

Morgan Schneiderlin

Morgan Schneiderlin

First published in Football Basingstoke Gazette: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Sports Writer

Morgan Schneiderlin’s Saints career hangs in the balance after he was axed from the squad for today’s final pre-season friendly against Bayer Leverkusen.

After seeing five of his former teammates sold this summer, Schneiderlin was furious to be told last week that he would not get his desired transfer away from the club, with Tottenham and former boss Mauricio Pochettino keen to sign him.

He quickly replied on social media, claiming his six years at Saints had been ‘destroyed’ in one hour, and behind the scenes he has continued to push for a move.

Koeman revealed it has culminated in a meeting yesterday morning between the player, the new manager and chairman Ralph Krueger at which it was agreed that Schneiderlin would play no part in the Leverkusen game.

It gives him the weekend to reflect on his situation before further talks on Monday.

However, if he still wishes to leave, it is an awkward position for Saints, who have publically stated they will not sell him.

Koeman said: “It’s not an easy situation, because I was a football player and moved from smaller clubs to bigger clubs. But, first of all, you have to know you signed a contract and you have to respect your contract.

“After that problem, you have to think on your own career, that’s the most important.

“For that we said to Morgan take two days off, think about the situation, because we will not change our minds, our decision. So we will see on Monday.”

When asked if he is angry or sympathetic towards Schneiderlin, Koeman replied; “No, I’m not so fussed, angry. Because there’s some different persons behind the player. Maybe Tottenham is pressing the player, maybe the agent is pressing the player. It’s a difficult situation.

“I understand that, I know from my experience how it works in this kind of situation, but we have to do what is the best for Southampton FC – that is my job, even that I, on one side, understand his situation. But I have to do the best for the club, what is the best for the team, and that is keeping these kind of players.”

Koeman was refusing to speculate on what would happen if, as expected given his current stance, Schneiderlin reaffirms his desire to leave on Monday.

“We will wait until Monday, because it’s not to give an answer now what will happen – we will see what will happen.”

It was put to Koeman that it could be seen as unfair on Schneiderlin that a host of players have been sold this summer after expressing a desire to leave, while the Frenchman will not be.

However, Koeman was unmoved and responded: “No, unfair is signing a new contract and like to go – that’s unfair.”

Koeman also admitted he had never had to deal with this situation before, but is keeping the door open for Schneiderlin.

“No, not like this,” he admitted. “Even the situation when Dejan started pre-season, we had a little bit this situation, but it was a little bit different now, because he was training, he had the same mind to like to move, and finally the club accepted the bid for Lovren.

“But we have to see and we will wait, because the player has to make that decision. We can help the player, and there is always a way back. He can say ‘yes’ or ‘no’ today, but there is a way back for these kind of players, because I, as a manager, will do what the best is for the club.”

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10:38pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Doesn't sound good. Ron sounds like a fatalist to me, he's certainly having a baptism of fire.
Doesn't sound good. Ron sounds like a fatalist to me, he's certainly having a baptism of fire. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -21

10:40pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Vaurion says...

What a beautiful handling of the situation. Koeman has again and again shown that he is exactly the person we need in this situation.
What a beautiful handling of the situation. Koeman has again and again shown that he is exactly the person we need in this situation. Vaurion
  • Score: 74

10:42pm Fri 8 Aug 14

saintbobby says...

Spider If you do leave St. Mary's do not expect much of a welcome back. You can tell AL and DJ the same.

We understand the football hierarchy quite well at this club but many of us here are feeling very let down by your attitudes.

We recognise the chant of ME, ME, ME and us loyal fans do not like that at all. Sorry.
Spider If you do leave St. Mary's do not expect much of a welcome back. You can tell AL and DJ the same. We understand the football hierarchy quite well at this club but many of us here are feeling very let down by your attitudes. We recognise the chant of ME, ME, ME and us loyal fans do not like that at all. Sorry. saintbobby
  • Score: 33

10:42pm Fri 8 Aug 14

John Smith34 says...

I think Koeman has conducted and handled the whole situation since he's arrived brilliantly so far. As for MS, making yourself look like a right prat mate. Lost all respect....
I think Koeman has conducted and handled the whole situation since he's arrived brilliantly so far. As for MS, making yourself look like a right prat mate. Lost all respect.... John Smith34
  • Score: 47

10:45pm Fri 8 Aug 14

truelysaints says...

It sounds as though they will hold him to his contract. Now, he can do this through his own volition or have it legally forced on him.
It sounds as though they will hold him to his contract. Now, he can do this through his own volition or have it legally forced on him. truelysaints
  • Score: 21

10:45pm Fri 8 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Maybe Tottenham is pressing the player, maybe the agent is pressing the player. It’s a difficult situation.

are the club leaking info that pochaliar is speaking to spider? or is it just pure speculation?
Maybe Tottenham is pressing the player, maybe the agent is pressing the player. It’s a difficult situation. are the club leaking info that pochaliar is speaking to spider? or is it just pure speculation? de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 8

10:50pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Maybe Tottenham is pressing the player, maybe the agent is pressing the player. It’s a difficult situation.

are the club leaking info that pochaliar is speaking to spider? or is it just pure speculation?
If Spurs are tapping him up then the club should report them, the rules are there and need to be enforced.

Ron is handling this very well indeed but the situation doesn't sound good.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: Maybe Tottenham is pressing the player, maybe the agent is pressing the player. It’s a difficult situation. are the club leaking info that pochaliar is speaking to spider? or is it just pure speculation?[/p][/quote]If Spurs are tapping him up then the club should report them, the rules are there and need to be enforced. Ron is handling this very well indeed but the situation doesn't sound good. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 31

11:00pm Fri 8 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Maybe Tottenham is pressing the player, maybe the agent is pressing the player. It’s a difficult situation.

are the club leaking info that pochaliar is speaking to spider? or is it just pure speculation?
If Spurs are tapping him up then the club should report them, the rules are there and need to be enforced.

Ron is handling this very well indeed but the situation doesn't sound good.
Between a rock and a hard place, are we indirectly fighting a battle for the other Clubs in the Premier, there doesn't seem to be a compromise here. Never hear a word from the PFA who must have a vested interest in the outcome. No winners here whichever way it goes.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: Maybe Tottenham is pressing the player, maybe the agent is pressing the player. It’s a difficult situation. are the club leaking info that pochaliar is speaking to spider? or is it just pure speculation?[/p][/quote]If Spurs are tapping him up then the club should report them, the rules are there and need to be enforced. Ron is handling this very well indeed but the situation doesn't sound good.[/p][/quote]Between a rock and a hard place, are we indirectly fighting a battle for the other Clubs in the Premier, there doesn't seem to be a compromise here. Never hear a word from the PFA who must have a vested interest in the outcome. No winners here whichever way it goes. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 15

11:00pm Fri 8 Aug 14

kingsaint76 says...

Goodbye Morgan, you've made yourself look a fool, I will not blame Kruger for letting you go. If this were real life he would have been sacked for gross misconduct, as its the wonderful world of magic realism that is professional football, let's fleece Spurs for him and move on, this is overshadowing the good work that is taking place by Koeman et al. We have cover in big Vic, Jack Cork and others so let's roll.....!
Goodbye Morgan, you've made yourself look a fool, I will not blame Kruger for letting you go. If this were real life he would have been sacked for gross misconduct, as its the wonderful world of magic realism that is professional football, let's fleece Spurs for him and move on, this is overshadowing the good work that is taking place by Koeman et al. We have cover in big Vic, Jack Cork and others so let's roll.....! kingsaint76
  • Score: 12

11:01pm Fri 8 Aug 14

bstokesaint says...

I fail to see why Morgan would leave for Spurs. He'll get some Thursday nights in Europe maybe and a bigger pay cheque in front of a larger (more fickle) crowd, but this would really would be a hugely negative career move. He's one of the best midfielders in the Premier League and yet the others leave for Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool and guaranteed Champions League action whilst he's supposedly happy that Spurs rate him at less than half of his value and he'll likely win nothing in his time there. Wake up Morgan. You're better than this.
I fail to see why Morgan would leave for Spurs. He'll get some Thursday nights in Europe maybe and a bigger pay cheque in front of a larger (more fickle) crowd, but this would really would be a hugely negative career move. He's one of the best midfielders in the Premier League and yet the others leave for Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool and guaranteed Champions League action whilst he's supposedly happy that Spurs rate him at less than half of his value and he'll likely win nothing in his time there. Wake up Morgan. You're better than this. bstokesaint
  • Score: 45

11:03pm Fri 8 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Clearly not brilliant news, but great to see the way the club have manned up, something that i think has helped us turn a real corner. Let him strike or sulk on Monday to test us again - fact is, in September his choice will be simpler - play or waste your club and international career. That will focus the mind i think. Before then, we just need to stand our ground.

My only regret is that we didn't do this with lovren and possibly adam. Lovren in particular tho because he deserved to be made an example of.
Clearly not brilliant news, but great to see the way the club have manned up, something that i think has helped us turn a real corner. Let him strike or sulk on Monday to test us again - fact is, in September his choice will be simpler - play or waste your club and international career. That will focus the mind i think. Before then, we just need to stand our ground. My only regret is that we didn't do this with lovren and possibly adam. Lovren in particular tho because he deserved to be made an example of. SaintJD
  • Score: 19

11:04pm Fri 8 Aug 14

cumbriasaint says...

Let the horrible greedy tw@t go,he doesn't want to be a saint, be a sinner !!
Let the horrible greedy tw@t go,he doesn't want to be a saint, be a sinner !! cumbriasaint
  • Score: 4

11:08pm Fri 8 Aug 14

spitfiresaint says...

I am very impressed with Koeman to date. But it's tricky. We should have slammed the door shut as soon as Rickie went, not this late. Unfortunately for him, Spider drew the short straw.
I am very impressed with Koeman to date. But it's tricky. We should have slammed the door shut as soon as Rickie went, not this late. Unfortunately for him, Spider drew the short straw. spitfiresaint
  • Score: 14

11:09pm Fri 8 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

bstokesaint wrote:
I fail to see why Morgan would leave for Spurs. He'll get some Thursday nights in Europe maybe and a bigger pay cheque in front of a larger (more fickle) crowd, but this would really would be a hugely negative career move. He's one of the best midfielders in the Premier League and yet the others leave for Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool and guaranteed Champions League action whilst he's supposedly happy that Spurs rate him at less than half of his value and he'll likely win nothing in his time there. Wake up Morgan. You're better than this.
Accepting the thumbs down i can see the attraction - they were crap last season, with a crap manager (well two), but still did ok - including one game when we played them off the park bar silly defensive mistakes. Add a manager he respects and likes to work with and a new ground on the way... yeah it isnt champions league but i can see why it would be a consideration - unless I'm being Saints blinkered.
[quote][p][bold]bstokesaint[/bold] wrote: I fail to see why Morgan would leave for Spurs. He'll get some Thursday nights in Europe maybe and a bigger pay cheque in front of a larger (more fickle) crowd, but this would really would be a hugely negative career move. He's one of the best midfielders in the Premier League and yet the others leave for Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool and guaranteed Champions League action whilst he's supposedly happy that Spurs rate him at less than half of his value and he'll likely win nothing in his time there. Wake up Morgan. You're better than this.[/p][/quote]Accepting the thumbs down i can see the attraction - they were crap last season, with a crap manager (well two), but still did ok - including one game when we played them off the park bar silly defensive mistakes. Add a manager he respects and likes to work with and a new ground on the way... yeah it isnt champions league but i can see why it would be a consideration - unless I'm being Saints blinkered. SaintJD
  • Score: -3

11:11pm Fri 8 Aug 14

OldSaintVic says...

Pity RK wasn't at the club a few weeks earlier he may have been able to stop the rest of the deserters.
Pity RK wasn't at the club a few weeks earlier he may have been able to stop the rest of the deserters. OldSaintVic
  • Score: 13

11:17pm Fri 8 Aug 14

saintgibbo says...

Hindsight is a wonderful thing I know but this is the stance we should have taken in the first place with Lallana.
The world cup didn't help as it's drawn everything out. Like Roko says, what's not fair is signing a new contract then wanting to leave
Hindsight is a wonderful thing I know but this is the stance we should have taken in the first place with Lallana. The world cup didn't help as it's drawn everything out. Like Roko says, what's not fair is signing a new contract then wanting to leave saintgibbo
  • Score: 12

11:21pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Maybe Tottenham is pressing the player, maybe the agent is pressing the player. It’s a difficult situation.

are the club leaking info that pochaliar is speaking to spider? or is it just pure speculation?
If Spurs are tapping him up then the club should report them, the rules are there and need to be enforced.

Ron is handling this very well indeed but the situation doesn't sound good.
Between a rock and a hard place, are we indirectly fighting a battle for the other Clubs in the Premier, there doesn't seem to be a compromise here. Never hear a word from the PFA who must have a vested interest in the outcome. No winners here whichever way it goes.
Yes those were my thoughts. The corrupt leadership at that club continually flout the rules and now that they have a lieing and deceitful manager as well it makes matters worse. We have to make sure that Morgan doesn't go to Spuds under any circumstances even if it means he never kicks a ball again. If we let him go now we will lose every member of last years squad. Hopefully all the clubs below the top five or six are watching and learning how to deal with these disgusting vultures.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: Maybe Tottenham is pressing the player, maybe the agent is pressing the player. It’s a difficult situation. are the club leaking info that pochaliar is speaking to spider? or is it just pure speculation?[/p][/quote]If Spurs are tapping him up then the club should report them, the rules are there and need to be enforced. Ron is handling this very well indeed but the situation doesn't sound good.[/p][/quote]Between a rock and a hard place, are we indirectly fighting a battle for the other Clubs in the Premier, there doesn't seem to be a compromise here. Never hear a word from the PFA who must have a vested interest in the outcome. No winners here whichever way it goes.[/p][/quote]Yes those were my thoughts. The corrupt leadership at that club continually flout the rules and now that they have a lieing and deceitful manager as well it makes matters worse. We have to make sure that Morgan doesn't go to Spuds under any circumstances even if it means he never kicks a ball again. If we let him go now we will lose every member of last years squad. Hopefully all the clubs below the top five or six are watching and learning how to deal with these disgusting vultures. Clever Dick
  • Score: 16

11:28pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Vaurion says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Maybe Tottenham is pressing the player, maybe the agent is pressing the player. It’s a difficult situation.

are the club leaking info that pochaliar is speaking to spider? or is it just pure speculation?
If Spurs are tapping him up then the club should report them, the rules are there and need to be enforced.

Ron is handling this very well indeed but the situation doesn't sound good.
Between a rock and a hard place, are we indirectly fighting a battle for the other Clubs in the Premier, there doesn't seem to be a compromise here. Never hear a word from the PFA who must have a vested interest in the outcome. No winners here whichever way it goes.
I consider the main positive to be the fact that we're FINALLY refusing to play the games of these overpaid petulant players. Let him either pull his head out of his ****, or rot in the reserves, just like we should've done with Lallana and Lovren.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: Maybe Tottenham is pressing the player, maybe the agent is pressing the player. It’s a difficult situation. are the club leaking info that pochaliar is speaking to spider? or is it just pure speculation?[/p][/quote]If Spurs are tapping him up then the club should report them, the rules are there and need to be enforced. Ron is handling this very well indeed but the situation doesn't sound good.[/p][/quote]Between a rock and a hard place, are we indirectly fighting a battle for the other Clubs in the Premier, there doesn't seem to be a compromise here. Never hear a word from the PFA who must have a vested interest in the outcome. No winners here whichever way it goes.[/p][/quote]I consider the main positive to be the fact that we're FINALLY refusing to play the games of these overpaid petulant players. Let him either pull his head out of his ****, or rot in the reserves, just like we should've done with Lallana and Lovren. Vaurion
  • Score: 9

11:28pm Fri 8 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Such a shame that Schneiderlin is happy for his time at Saints to end like this, after all he has done for us, and we have done for him. It's evident he will go, but just a matter of when. Surely there are some details we are not fully arare of, but I don't envy Koeman or the board in this matter, it's a tough one. My gut feeling is to make an example of him for other players in the future who think acting like him and Lovren is a path to getting what they want, but the backlash could prove damaging. This kind of behaviour makes me very distrustful of anything declared from players who act like they are loyal or love their club.
Such a shame that Schneiderlin is happy for his time at Saints to end like this, after all he has done for us, and we have done for him. It's evident he will go, but just a matter of when. Surely there are some details we are not fully arare of, but I don't envy Koeman or the board in this matter, it's a tough one. My gut feeling is to make an example of him for other players in the future who think acting like him and Lovren is a path to getting what they want, but the backlash could prove damaging. This kind of behaviour makes me very distrustful of anything declared from players who act like they are loyal or love their club. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 17

11:31pm Fri 8 Aug 14

SaintBuzz says...

By holding Morgan to his contract, the club are sending a message to the other players that they cannot just jump ship when it suits them. Well done Ronald and the board for sticking to your guns. It might end up costing a bit by not cashing in on a disgruntled player but in the long term it should pay off because others will think twice about behaving in the same way.
By holding Morgan to his contract, the club are sending a message to the other players that they cannot just jump ship when it suits them. Well done Ronald and the board for sticking to your guns. It might end up costing a bit by not cashing in on a disgruntled player but in the long term it should pay off because others will think twice about behaving in the same way. SaintBuzz
  • Score: 24

11:33pm Fri 8 Aug 14

bstokesaint says...

SaintJD wrote:
bstokesaint wrote:
I fail to see why Morgan would leave for Spurs. He'll get some Thursday nights in Europe maybe and a bigger pay cheque in front of a larger (more fickle) crowd, but this would really would be a hugely negative career move. He's one of the best midfielders in the Premier League and yet the others leave for Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool and guaranteed Champions League action whilst he's supposedly happy that Spurs rate him at less than half of his value and he'll likely win nothing in his time there. Wake up Morgan. You're better than this.
Accepting the thumbs down i can see the attraction - they were crap last season, with a crap manager (well two), but still did ok - including one game when we played them off the park bar silly defensive mistakes. Add a manager he respects and likes to work with and a new ground on the way... yeah it isnt champions league but i can see why it would be a consideration - unless I'm being Saints blinkered.
The thing is they'll still always be the third London club. Best they can hope for is back-to-back League or FA Cups. I can't argue they're not bigger, but they're where Saints strive to move up to and that gap is getting smaller. Pochettino will learn this the hard way, especially when he slowly realises we had better quality and potential at Saints and walked out on it.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bstokesaint[/bold] wrote: I fail to see why Morgan would leave for Spurs. He'll get some Thursday nights in Europe maybe and a bigger pay cheque in front of a larger (more fickle) crowd, but this would really would be a hugely negative career move. He's one of the best midfielders in the Premier League and yet the others leave for Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool and guaranteed Champions League action whilst he's supposedly happy that Spurs rate him at less than half of his value and he'll likely win nothing in his time there. Wake up Morgan. You're better than this.[/p][/quote]Accepting the thumbs down i can see the attraction - they were crap last season, with a crap manager (well two), but still did ok - including one game when we played them off the park bar silly defensive mistakes. Add a manager he respects and likes to work with and a new ground on the way... yeah it isnt champions league but i can see why it would be a consideration - unless I'm being Saints blinkered.[/p][/quote]The thing is they'll still always be the third London club. Best they can hope for is back-to-back League or FA Cups. I can't argue they're not bigger, but they're where Saints strive to move up to and that gap is getting smaller. Pochettino will learn this the hard way, especially when he slowly realises we had better quality and potential at Saints and walked out on it. bstokesaint
  • Score: 13

11:35pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Jesus_02 says...

saintgibbo wrote:
Hindsight is a wonderful thing I know but this is the stance we should have taken in the first place with Lallana.
The world cup didn't help as it's drawn everything out. Like Roko says, what's not fair is signing a new contract then wanting to leave
saints wanted to sell Lallana. he was overpriced and in theur view replacable with a better players on a cheaper contract. the same can be said fir both Lambert and Shaw. they where daft to miscalculate the effect but they are inexperinced.

Morgan will definatly not go to spurs. ( at least for the13m they have offered) . when the window closes Morgan can either play football for the club that he was developed by or stike for 6 minths on minimal pay.

Let's hope he makes the same choice a suerez, maybe he will move on for decent money to a foreign team next season.
[quote][p][bold]saintgibbo[/bold] wrote: Hindsight is a wonderful thing I know but this is the stance we should have taken in the first place with Lallana. The world cup didn't help as it's drawn everything out. Like Roko says, what's not fair is signing a new contract then wanting to leave[/p][/quote]saints wanted to sell Lallana. he was overpriced and in theur view replacable with a better players on a cheaper contract. the same can be said fir both Lambert and Shaw. they where daft to miscalculate the effect but they are inexperinced. Morgan will definatly not go to spurs. ( at least for the13m they have offered) . when the window closes Morgan can either play football for the club that he was developed by or stike for 6 minths on minimal pay. Let's hope he makes the same choice a suerez, maybe he will move on for decent money to a foreign team next season. Jesus_02
  • Score: 15

11:35pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Jesus_02 says...

saintgibbo wrote:
Hindsight is a wonderful thing I know but this is the stance we should have taken in the first place with Lallana.
The world cup didn't help as it's drawn everything out. Like Roko says, what's not fair is signing a new contract then wanting to leave
saints wanted to sell Lallana. he was overpriced and in theur view replacable with a better players on a cheaper contract. the same can be said fir both Lambert and Shaw. they where daft to miscalculate the effect but they are inexperinced.

Morgan will definatly not go to spurs. ( at least for the13m they have offered) . when the window closes Morgan can either play football for the club that he was developed by or stike for 6 minths on minimal pay.

Let's hope he makes the same choice a suerez, maybe he will move on for decent money to a foreign team next season.
[quote][p][bold]saintgibbo[/bold] wrote: Hindsight is a wonderful thing I know but this is the stance we should have taken in the first place with Lallana. The world cup didn't help as it's drawn everything out. Like Roko says, what's not fair is signing a new contract then wanting to leave[/p][/quote]saints wanted to sell Lallana. he was overpriced and in theur view replacable with a better players on a cheaper contract. the same can be said fir both Lambert and Shaw. they where daft to miscalculate the effect but they are inexperinced. Morgan will definatly not go to spurs. ( at least for the13m they have offered) . when the window closes Morgan can either play football for the club that he was developed by or stike for 6 minths on minimal pay. Let's hope he makes the same choice a suerez, maybe he will move on for decent money to a foreign team next season. Jesus_02
  • Score: 5

11:37pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Blind Faith Believer says...

Sky and BBC are reporting tonight that Celtic have accepted a £10m bid from Saints for Fraser Forster, subject to medical and negotiation of personal terms.
Fantastic news if true!
Oh When the Saints........
Sky and BBC are reporting tonight that Celtic have accepted a £10m bid from Saints for Fraser Forster, subject to medical and negotiation of personal terms. Fantastic news if true! Oh When the Saints........ Blind Faith Believer
  • Score: 14

11:52pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Schelotto will not come becaus he was inimpressed with the saints project.by project he means ambition,by ambition he means les,Ron and Ralph.
Schelotto will not come becaus he was inimpressed with the saints project.by project he means ambition,by ambition he means les,Ron and Ralph. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 26

11:54pm Fri 8 Aug 14

03alpe01 says...

bstokesaint wrote:
I fail to see why Morgan would leave for Spurs. He'll get some Thursday nights in Europe maybe and a bigger pay cheque in front of a larger (more fickle) crowd, but this would really would be a hugely negative career move. He's one of the best midfielders in the Premier League and yet the others leave for Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool and guaranteed Champions League action whilst he's supposedly happy that Spurs rate him at less than half of his value and he'll likely win nothing in his time there. Wake up Morgan. You're better than this.
You've answered your own question there. Bigger pay cheque and to say he's played in Europe.
[quote][p][bold]bstokesaint[/bold] wrote: I fail to see why Morgan would leave for Spurs. He'll get some Thursday nights in Europe maybe and a bigger pay cheque in front of a larger (more fickle) crowd, but this would really would be a hugely negative career move. He's one of the best midfielders in the Premier League and yet the others leave for Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool and guaranteed Champions League action whilst he's supposedly happy that Spurs rate him at less than half of his value and he'll likely win nothing in his time there. Wake up Morgan. You're better than this.[/p][/quote]You've answered your own question there. Bigger pay cheque and to say he's played in Europe. 03alpe01
  • Score: 4

11:56pm Fri 8 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Schelotto will not come becaus he was inimpressed with the saints project.by project he means ambition,by ambition he means les,Ron and Ralph.
Good, he was nothing to write home about anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Schelotto will not come becaus he was inimpressed with the saints project.by project he means ambition,by ambition he means les,Ron and Ralph.[/p][/quote]Good, he was nothing to write home about anyway. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 13

11:57pm Fri 8 Aug 14

saints1998 says...

Blind Faith Believer wrote:
Sky and BBC are reporting tonight that Celtic have accepted a £10m bid from Saints for Fraser Forster, subject to medical and negotiation of personal terms.
Fantastic news if true!
Oh When the Saints........
Hopefully we can have him wrapped up by Monday with a few defenders quickly following so we are ready for the start of the season.
[quote][p][bold]Blind Faith Believer[/bold] wrote: Sky and BBC are reporting tonight that Celtic have accepted a £10m bid from Saints for Fraser Forster, subject to medical and negotiation of personal terms. Fantastic news if true! Oh When the Saints........[/p][/quote]Hopefully we can have him wrapped up by Monday with a few defenders quickly following so we are ready for the start of the season. saints1998
  • Score: 9

12:25am Sat 9 Aug 14

markodarko29 says...

Let the sad frog go for at least 25 m to the sad argie one trick pony ,we know corky is a better player anyway ,please give him a long contract
Let the sad frog go for at least 25 m to the sad argie one trick pony ,we know corky is a better player anyway ,please give him a long contract markodarko29
  • Score: 11

12:42am Sat 9 Aug 14

Shareholder says...

Boring! Why do we need two threads running on the same story? Surely the there's nothing to add beyond what's already been said in the other 250 comments!
Boring! Why do we need two threads running on the same story? Surely the there's nothing to add beyond what's already been said in the other 250 comments! Shareholder
  • Score: 2

12:47am Sat 9 Aug 14

Shareholder says...

Maybe we can talk about this from Sky instead - once the Echo have caught up!

Forster to have Saints talks

Sky sources understand Fraser Forster will hold talks with Southampton after Celtic accepted a £10million bid for the goalkeeper.

The 26-year-old has been one of Southampton manager Ronald Koeman’s primary transfer targets this summer as he attempts to rebuild his squad after a raft of departures from the south coast club.
Maybe we can talk about this from Sky instead - once the Echo have caught up! Forster to have Saints talks Sky sources understand Fraser Forster will hold talks with Southampton after Celtic accepted a £10million bid for the goalkeeper. The 26-year-old has been one of Southampton manager Ronald Koeman’s primary transfer targets this summer as he attempts to rebuild his squad after a raft of departures from the south coast club. Shareholder
  • Score: 7

6:00am Sat 9 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

IF the club stick to their word and actually hold Morgan to his contract it will be a moral victory for the club and the fans. Even if Morgan doesn't play ball, stick him in the reserves and let him damage his own career.

I know it's cutting our nose off to spite our face but we have to reverse this image of the club rolling over for players and bigger clubs. There has to come a point where the club make a statement that we are not a soft touch, but this has to be done through ACTIONS and NOT through prepared SOUNDBITES.

Ralph can't backdown after the assurances he gave regarding Morgan and Jay, to do so would be a massive slap in the face for us fans!!!
IF the club stick to their word and actually hold Morgan to his contract it will be a moral victory for the club and the fans. Even if Morgan doesn't play ball, stick him in the reserves and let him damage his own career. I know it's cutting our nose off to spite our face but we have to reverse this image of the club rolling over for players and bigger clubs. There has to come a point where the club make a statement that we are not a soft touch, but this has to be done through ACTIONS and NOT through prepared SOUNDBITES. Ralph can't backdown after the assurances he gave regarding Morgan and Jay, to do so would be a massive slap in the face for us fans!!! redandy10
  • Score: 9

6:09am Sat 9 Aug 14

nomorerumours says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Schelotto will not come becaus he was inimpressed with the saints project.by project he means ambition,by ambition he means les,Ron and Ralph.
If the story reported on the Italian media site is true then Schelotto is a misinformed fool. You, on the other hand, are better informed and you should be totally ashamed of yourself and your behaviour. You continue to knock our club down with every post that you make. Your verbal assault on the board is relentless, totally unjustified (as you make false assumptions all the time) and shows your utter disloyalty towards everyone concerned, including the fans. Your rigging of your comments by giving yourself repeated thumbs up only goes to show what a sad, pathetic person you are., Now grow up and stop all this nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Schelotto will not come becaus he was inimpressed with the saints project.by project he means ambition,by ambition he means les,Ron and Ralph.[/p][/quote]If the story reported on the Italian media site is true then Schelotto is a misinformed fool. You, on the other hand, are better informed and you should be totally ashamed of yourself and your behaviour. You continue to knock our club down with every post that you make. Your verbal assault on the board is relentless, totally unjustified (as you make false assumptions all the time) and shows your utter disloyalty towards everyone concerned, including the fans. Your rigging of your comments by giving yourself repeated thumbs up only goes to show what a sad, pathetic person you are., Now grow up and stop all this nonsense. nomorerumours
  • Score: 25

7:30am Sat 9 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Careful....2 dunnie dweller will give you the Vicky Pollard treatment she's been doing lately.
Agree with her or meet up with her when she's back from down the M27 or "Shut up""!.........Yeah but, No but, Yeah but, No but
Careful....2 dunnie dweller will give you the Vicky Pollard treatment she's been doing lately. Agree with her or meet up with her when she's back from down the M27 or "Shut up""!.........Yeah but, No but, Yeah but, No but J7junctionseven
  • Score: 2

7:34am Sat 9 Aug 14

Oldfan says...

I do not understand what contracts these players have. No play no pay.! Anyway his head is bigger than his ability. Just sell him at the price wanted cos he is not going to make the effort for Saints now. I would not want to see him in the team over someone who wants to play for the club.
I do not understand what contracts these players have. No play no pay.! Anyway his head is bigger than his ability. Just sell him at the price wanted cos he is not going to make the effort for Saints now. I would not want to see him in the team over someone who wants to play for the club. Oldfan
  • Score: 2

7:34am Sat 9 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Just ignore the worthless piece of sh1t and starve it of the attention it craves.
The petulant child will soon get fed up and disappear altogether if it doesn't get a response.
Just ignore the worthless piece of sh1t and starve it of the attention it craves. The petulant child will soon get fed up and disappear altogether if it doesn't get a response. J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

8:28am Sat 9 Aug 14

saintbobby says...

I think most of the above comments are agreeing that Ronald Koeman has and is playing a blinder with this mess.

Now, if he had been at the club a little earlier, I am inclined to think he would have smacked one or 2 bottoms and told them the same thing.

But, one just wonders that the Board were influenced by the money being offered and, now, I reckon it is difficult not to justify selling AL, LS and DL - about £72 million, I make it. Not worth that, really. But, a big but, the club should have held on to Calum, and losing him is really a bad loss, and disappointing.
I think most of the above comments are agreeing that Ronald Koeman has and is playing a blinder with this mess. Now, if he had been at the club a little earlier, I am inclined to think he would have smacked one or 2 bottoms and told them the same thing. But, one just wonders that the Board were influenced by the money being offered and, now, I reckon it is difficult not to justify selling AL, LS and DL - about £72 million, I make it. Not worth that, really. But, a big but, the club should have held on to Calum, and losing him is really a bad loss, and disappointing. saintbobby
  • Score: 5

8:35am Sat 9 Aug 14

Stokesofdublin says...

redandy10 wrote:
IF the club stick to their word and actually hold Morgan to his contract it will be a moral victory for the club and the fans. Even if Morgan doesn't play ball, stick him in the reserves and let him damage his own career.

I know it's cutting our nose off to spite our face but we have to reverse this image of the club rolling over for players and bigger clubs. There has to come a point where the club make a statement that we are not a soft touch, but this has to be done through ACTIONS and NOT through prepared SOUNDBITES.

Ralph can't backdown after the assurances he gave regarding Morgan and Jay, to do so would be a massive slap in the face for us fans!!!
It's a pity it's come to this, particularly with a potential Saints Great like Morgan, but I have to agree. We should use some of the cash to make a stand and try to break a trend where the any and every player who gets a sniff of a better offer (rightly) believes they are effectively out of contract one they express a desire to go.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: IF the club stick to their word and actually hold Morgan to his contract it will be a moral victory for the club and the fans. Even if Morgan doesn't play ball, stick him in the reserves and let him damage his own career. I know it's cutting our nose off to spite our face but we have to reverse this image of the club rolling over for players and bigger clubs. There has to come a point where the club make a statement that we are not a soft touch, but this has to be done through ACTIONS and NOT through prepared SOUNDBITES. Ralph can't backdown after the assurances he gave regarding Morgan and Jay, to do so would be a massive slap in the face for us fans!!![/p][/quote]It's a pity it's come to this, particularly with a potential Saints Great like Morgan, but I have to agree. We should use some of the cash to make a stand and try to break a trend where the any and every player who gets a sniff of a better offer (rightly) believes they are effectively out of contract one they express a desire to go. Stokesofdublin
  • Score: 1

8:37am Sat 9 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

saintbobby wrote:
I think most of the above comments are agreeing that Ronald Koeman has and is playing a blinder with this mess.

Now, if he had been at the club a little earlier, I am inclined to think he would have smacked one or 2 bottoms and told them the same thing.

But, one just wonders that the Board were influenced by the money being offered and, now, I reckon it is difficult not to justify selling AL, LS and DL - about £72 million, I make it. Not worth that, really. But, a big but, the club should have held on to Calum, and losing him is really a bad loss, and disappointing.
I totally agree Bobby!

The poor guy has walked into a mess but seems to be handling things excellently. I can see good times ahead with Ronnie at the helm.
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: I think most of the above comments are agreeing that Ronald Koeman has and is playing a blinder with this mess. Now, if he had been at the club a little earlier, I am inclined to think he would have smacked one or 2 bottoms and told them the same thing. But, one just wonders that the Board were influenced by the money being offered and, now, I reckon it is difficult not to justify selling AL, LS and DL - about £72 million, I make it. Not worth that, really. But, a big but, the club should have held on to Calum, and losing him is really a bad loss, and disappointing.[/p][/quote]I totally agree Bobby! The poor guy has walked into a mess but seems to be handling things excellently. I can see good times ahead with Ronnie at the helm. redandy10
  • Score: 2

8:42am Sat 9 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

Stokesofdublin wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
IF the club stick to their word and actually hold Morgan to his contract it will be a moral victory for the club and the fans. Even if Morgan doesn't play ball, stick him in the reserves and let him damage his own career.

I know it's cutting our nose off to spite our face but we have to reverse this image of the club rolling over for players and bigger clubs. There has to come a point where the club make a statement that we are not a soft touch, but this has to be done through ACTIONS and NOT through prepared SOUNDBITES.

Ralph can't backdown after the assurances he gave regarding Morgan and Jay, to do so would be a massive slap in the face for us fans!!!
It's a pity it's come to this, particularly with a potential Saints Great like Morgan, but I have to agree. We should use some of the cash to make a stand and try to break a trend where the any and every player who gets a sniff of a better offer (rightly) believes they are effectively out of contract one they express a desire to go.
Yep!

In other sports like American football the players get paid handsomely but stick to their contracts. Contracts i may add that in a lot of cases favour the organsiations.

I can't think of another sport like football where players on a whim can dictate whether they want to see out their contract. They simple disrespect the undying loyalty of the fans who pay their over-inflated wages.
[quote][p][bold]Stokesofdublin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: IF the club stick to their word and actually hold Morgan to his contract it will be a moral victory for the club and the fans. Even if Morgan doesn't play ball, stick him in the reserves and let him damage his own career. I know it's cutting our nose off to spite our face but we have to reverse this image of the club rolling over for players and bigger clubs. There has to come a point where the club make a statement that we are not a soft touch, but this has to be done through ACTIONS and NOT through prepared SOUNDBITES. Ralph can't backdown after the assurances he gave regarding Morgan and Jay, to do so would be a massive slap in the face for us fans!!![/p][/quote]It's a pity it's come to this, particularly with a potential Saints Great like Morgan, but I have to agree. We should use some of the cash to make a stand and try to break a trend where the any and every player who gets a sniff of a better offer (rightly) believes they are effectively out of contract one they express a desire to go.[/p][/quote]Yep! In other sports like American football the players get paid handsomely but stick to their contracts. Contracts i may add that in a lot of cases favour the organsiations. I can't think of another sport like football where players on a whim can dictate whether they want to see out their contract. They simple disrespect the undying loyalty of the fans who pay their over-inflated wages. redandy10
  • Score: 5

8:50am Sat 9 Aug 14

Numpty Girl says...

Also, Schneiderlin may be avoiding today's game because he's scared of facing we fans.
It may cost money, but we need to draw a line in the sand.
Krüger should keep to his word and not sell. The French traitor should sit on the bench until he apologises, publically, for his behaviour.
Ideally, he would be forced to do Community Service!
Also, Schneiderlin may be avoiding today's game because he's scared of facing we fans. It may cost money, but we need to draw a line in the sand. Krüger should keep to his word and not sell. The French traitor should sit on the bench until he apologises, publically, for his behaviour. Ideally, he would be forced to do Community Service! Numpty Girl
  • Score: 5

8:56am Sat 9 Aug 14

jls217 says...

redandy10 wrote:
Stokesofdublin wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
IF the club stick to their word and actually hold Morgan to his contract it will be a moral victory for the club and the fans. Even if Morgan doesn't play ball, stick him in the reserves and let him damage his own career.

I know it's cutting our nose off to spite our face but we have to reverse this image of the club rolling over for players and bigger clubs. There has to come a point where the club make a statement that we are not a soft touch, but this has to be done through ACTIONS and NOT through prepared SOUNDBITES.

Ralph can't backdown after the assurances he gave regarding Morgan and Jay, to do so would be a massive slap in the face for us fans!!!
It's a pity it's come to this, particularly with a potential Saints Great like Morgan, but I have to agree. We should use some of the cash to make a stand and try to break a trend where the any and every player who gets a sniff of a better offer (rightly) believes they are effectively out of contract one they express a desire to go.
Yep!

In other sports like American football the players get paid handsomely but stick to their contracts. Contracts i may add that in a lot of cases favour the organsiations.

I can't think of another sport like football where players on a whim can dictate whether they want to see out their contract. They simple disrespect the undying loyalty of the fans who pay their over-inflated wages.
Because the agents skew the contracts in the favour of their clients and unless they read that way they won't get signed.

Let's just pray Freddie and Rambo stay on the same hymn sheet and see who wins the battle of wits.
I think money will prevail and they will make the wisest of all decisions and that is to get rid whilst his stock is still high.

I liked this young man as a pro and the way he conducted himself on the park and off it but he has slipped to the level of the the others in my estimation.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stokesofdublin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: IF the club stick to their word and actually hold Morgan to his contract it will be a moral victory for the club and the fans. Even if Morgan doesn't play ball, stick him in the reserves and let him damage his own career. I know it's cutting our nose off to spite our face but we have to reverse this image of the club rolling over for players and bigger clubs. There has to come a point where the club make a statement that we are not a soft touch, but this has to be done through ACTIONS and NOT through prepared SOUNDBITES. Ralph can't backdown after the assurances he gave regarding Morgan and Jay, to do so would be a massive slap in the face for us fans!!![/p][/quote]It's a pity it's come to this, particularly with a potential Saints Great like Morgan, but I have to agree. We should use some of the cash to make a stand and try to break a trend where the any and every player who gets a sniff of a better offer (rightly) believes they are effectively out of contract one they express a desire to go.[/p][/quote]Yep! In other sports like American football the players get paid handsomely but stick to their contracts. Contracts i may add that in a lot of cases favour the organsiations. I can't think of another sport like football where players on a whim can dictate whether they want to see out their contract. They simple disrespect the undying loyalty of the fans who pay their over-inflated wages.[/p][/quote]Because the agents skew the contracts in the favour of their clients and unless they read that way they won't get signed. Let's just pray Freddie and Rambo stay on the same hymn sheet and see who wins the battle of wits. I think money will prevail and they will make the wisest of all decisions and that is to get rid whilst his stock is still high. I liked this young man as a pro and the way he conducted himself on the park and off it but he has slipped to the level of the the others in my estimation. jls217
  • Score: 2

9:02am Sat 9 Aug 14

Folkestone Saint says...

Tell him "yes you can go, but not within the premier league", in fact we should put that into all of our new contracts that any player wishing to leave cannot join our direct competitors, I for one am sick of us strengthening our competitors sqauds from OUR academy.
Tell him "yes you can go, but not within the premier league", in fact we should put that into all of our new contracts that any player wishing to leave cannot join our direct competitors, I for one am sick of us strengthening our competitors sqauds from OUR academy. Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 5

9:05am Sat 9 Aug 14

Abbey Saint says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Schelotto will not come becaus he was inimpressed with the saints project.by project he means ambition,by ambition he means les,Ron and Ralph.
The player hasn't said anything - it's his agent trying to talk around the fact that neither inter or saints want him. Inter fans are saying he's typical of a player who thinks he's far better and more important than he is.

In fact, he reminds me of you Sammy. When it comes to sh1t stirring, you probably think you're much more important than you are.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Schelotto will not come becaus he was inimpressed with the saints project.by project he means ambition,by ambition he means les,Ron and Ralph.[/p][/quote]The player hasn't said anything - it's his agent trying to talk around the fact that neither inter or saints want him. Inter fans are saying he's typical of a player who thinks he's far better and more important than he is. In fact, he reminds me of you Sammy. When it comes to sh1t stirring, you probably think you're much more important than you are. Abbey Saint
  • Score: 5

9:13am Sat 9 Aug 14

Abbey Saint says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Schelotto will not come becaus he was inimpressed with the saints project.by project he means ambition,by ambition he means les,Ron and Ralph.
If a player refuses to play, is he in breach of contract and therefore not entitled to his salary? If this topic has been covered before, apologies, but it would be a tad important to Morgan if he decide to 'strike'.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Schelotto will not come becaus he was inimpressed with the saints project.by project he means ambition,by ambition he means les,Ron and Ralph.[/p][/quote]If a player refuses to play, is he in breach of contract and therefore not entitled to his salary? If this topic has been covered before, apologies, but it would be a tad important to Morgan if he decide to 'strike'. Abbey Saint
  • Score: 2

9:15am Sat 9 Aug 14

Abbey Saint says...

If a player refuses to play, is he in breach of contract and therefore not entitled to his salary? If this topic has been covered before, apologies, but it would be a tad important to Morgan if he decide to 'strike'.
If a player refuses to play, is he in breach of contract and therefore not entitled to his salary? If this topic has been covered before, apologies, but it would be a tad important to Morgan if he decide to 'strike'. Abbey Saint
  • Score: 1

9:18am Sat 9 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Maybe Tottenham is pressing the player, maybe the agent is pressing the player. It’s a difficult situation.

are the club leaking info that pochaliar is speaking to spider? or is it just pure speculation?
If Spurs are tapping him up then the club should report them, the rules are there and need to be enforced.

Ron is handling this very well indeed but the situation doesn't sound good.
This link spreads a bit more light on it all Seed. Ron is not speculating on this he's downright accusing.

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/sport/footbal
l/article-2720272/So
uthampton-boss-Ronal
d-Koeman-tells-Spurs
-We-won-t-let-lure-S
chneiderlin.html?ITO
=1490&ns_mchannel=rs
s&ns_campaign=1490
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: Maybe Tottenham is pressing the player, maybe the agent is pressing the player. It’s a difficult situation. are the club leaking info that pochaliar is speaking to spider? or is it just pure speculation?[/p][/quote]If Spurs are tapping him up then the club should report them, the rules are there and need to be enforced. Ron is handling this very well indeed but the situation doesn't sound good.[/p][/quote]This link spreads a bit more light on it all Seed. Ron is not speculating on this he's downright accusing. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/sport/footbal l/article-2720272/So uthampton-boss-Ronal d-Koeman-tells-Spurs -We-won-t-let-lure-S chneiderlin.html?ITO =1490&ns_mchannel=rs s&ns_campaign=1490 jls217
  • Score: 0

9:22am Sat 9 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

HOLD THE LINE - Earn the Respect of the Players and the Fans. RA2014.
HOLD THE LINE - Earn the Respect of the Players and the Fans. RA2014. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 1

9:30am Sat 9 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

redandy10 wrote:
Stokesofdublin wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
IF the club stick to their word and actually hold Morgan to his contract it will be a moral victory for the club and the fans. Even if Morgan doesn't play ball, stick him in the reserves and let him damage his own career.

I know it's cutting our nose off to spite our face but we have to reverse this image of the club rolling over for players and bigger clubs. There has to come a point where the club make a statement that we are not a soft touch, but this has to be done through ACTIONS and NOT through prepared SOUNDBITES.

Ralph can't backdown after the assurances he gave regarding Morgan and Jay, to do so would be a massive slap in the face for us fans!!!
It's a pity it's come to this, particularly with a potential Saints Great like Morgan, but I have to agree. We should use some of the cash to make a stand and try to break a trend where the any and every player who gets a sniff of a better offer (rightly) believes they are effectively out of contract one they express a desire to go.
Yep!

In other sports like American football the players get paid handsomely but stick to their contracts. Contracts i may add that in a lot of cases favour the organsiations.

I can't think of another sport like football where players on a whim can dictate whether they want to see out their contract. They simple disrespect the undying loyalty of the fans who pay their over-inflated wages.
NFL contracts may favour the owners but they are far from lucrative compared to other sports. Top player in the NFL get about a third of what top NBA players get. Players have relatively short career with an average of just 3.5 years and most will get minimum pay, which is just a 100k a year. Rooney gets more a week than a lot of NFL players get in their careers! The only reason they stick to their contracts is because they are happy to be at a team, any team, NFL clubs don't often 'sell' players because there no point due to the salary cap, they are traded and as their contracts are not guaranteed players stay until the end of their contracts when they are classed as free agents, top players who become free agents are quickly snapped up whilst the rest have to go and do something else!
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stokesofdublin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: IF the club stick to their word and actually hold Morgan to his contract it will be a moral victory for the club and the fans. Even if Morgan doesn't play ball, stick him in the reserves and let him damage his own career. I know it's cutting our nose off to spite our face but we have to reverse this image of the club rolling over for players and bigger clubs. There has to come a point where the club make a statement that we are not a soft touch, but this has to be done through ACTIONS and NOT through prepared SOUNDBITES. Ralph can't backdown after the assurances he gave regarding Morgan and Jay, to do so would be a massive slap in the face for us fans!!![/p][/quote]It's a pity it's come to this, particularly with a potential Saints Great like Morgan, but I have to agree. We should use some of the cash to make a stand and try to break a trend where the any and every player who gets a sniff of a better offer (rightly) believes they are effectively out of contract one they express a desire to go.[/p][/quote]Yep! In other sports like American football the players get paid handsomely but stick to their contracts. Contracts i may add that in a lot of cases favour the organsiations. I can't think of another sport like football where players on a whim can dictate whether they want to see out their contract. They simple disrespect the undying loyalty of the fans who pay their over-inflated wages.[/p][/quote]NFL contracts may favour the owners but they are far from lucrative compared to other sports. Top player in the NFL get about a third of what top NBA players get. Players have relatively short career with an average of just 3.5 years and most will get minimum pay, which is just a 100k a year. Rooney gets more a week than a lot of NFL players get in their careers! The only reason they stick to their contracts is because they are happy to be at a team, any team, NFL clubs don't often 'sell' players because there no point due to the salary cap, they are traded and as their contracts are not guaranteed players stay until the end of their contracts when they are classed as free agents, top players who become free agents are quickly snapped up whilst the rest have to go and do something else! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 0

10:04am Sat 9 Aug 14

InsideOutCat says...

bstokesaint wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
bstokesaint wrote:
I fail to see why Morgan would leave for Spurs. He'll get some Thursday nights in Europe maybe and a bigger pay cheque in front of a larger (more fickle) crowd, but this would really would be a hugely negative career move. He's one of the best midfielders in the Premier League and yet the others leave for Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool and guaranteed Champions League action whilst he's supposedly happy that Spurs rate him at less than half of his value and he'll likely win nothing in his time there. Wake up Morgan. You're better than this.
Accepting the thumbs down i can see the attraction - they were crap last season, with a crap manager (well two), but still did ok - including one game when we played them off the park bar silly defensive mistakes. Add a manager he respects and likes to work with and a new ground on the way... yeah it isnt champions league but i can see why it would be a consideration - unless I'm being Saints blinkered.
The thing is they'll still always be the third London club. Best they can hope for is back-to-back League or FA Cups. I can't argue they're not bigger, but they're where Saints strive to move up to and that gap is getting smaller. Pochettino will learn this the hard way, especially when he slowly realises we had better quality and potential at Saints and walked out on it.
I was thinking along those lines. They're not the richest club in London (Chelsea), they don't play the most attractive football in London (Arsenal), the haven't got the best supporters in London (Leyton Orient) and until Mercenario Pochettino went there they weren't even the side we loved to hate most in London (West Ham). Were it not for recent events Spurs would still be the London equivalent of what Coventry City once were: a side you knew existed, knew little about and couldn't come up with a decent reason to like or dislike. A bit like a distant Auntie that you only saw at Christmas.
[quote][p][bold]bstokesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bstokesaint[/bold] wrote: I fail to see why Morgan would leave for Spurs. He'll get some Thursday nights in Europe maybe and a bigger pay cheque in front of a larger (more fickle) crowd, but this would really would be a hugely negative career move. He's one of the best midfielders in the Premier League and yet the others leave for Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool and guaranteed Champions League action whilst he's supposedly happy that Spurs rate him at less than half of his value and he'll likely win nothing in his time there. Wake up Morgan. You're better than this.[/p][/quote]Accepting the thumbs down i can see the attraction - they were crap last season, with a crap manager (well two), but still did ok - including one game when we played them off the park bar silly defensive mistakes. Add a manager he respects and likes to work with and a new ground on the way... yeah it isnt champions league but i can see why it would be a consideration - unless I'm being Saints blinkered.[/p][/quote]The thing is they'll still always be the third London club. Best they can hope for is back-to-back League or FA Cups. I can't argue they're not bigger, but they're where Saints strive to move up to and that gap is getting smaller. Pochettino will learn this the hard way, especially when he slowly realises we had better quality and potential at Saints and walked out on it.[/p][/quote]I was thinking along those lines. They're not the richest club in London (Chelsea), they don't play the most attractive football in London (Arsenal), the haven't got the best supporters in London (Leyton Orient) and until Mercenario Pochettino went there they weren't even the side we loved to hate most in London (West Ham). Were it not for recent events Spurs would still be the London equivalent of what Coventry City once were: a side you knew existed, knew little about and couldn't come up with a decent reason to like or dislike. A bit like a distant Auntie that you only saw at Christmas. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 1

10:05am Sat 9 Aug 14

InsideOutCat says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Schelotto will not come becaus he was inimpressed with the saints project.by project he means ambition,by ambition he means les,Ron and Ralph.
Steve Bruce
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Schelotto will not come becaus he was inimpressed with the saints project.by project he means ambition,by ambition he means les,Ron and Ralph.[/p][/quote]Steve Bruce InsideOutCat
  • Score: 1

10:23am Sat 9 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Maybe Tottenham is pressing the player, maybe the agent is pressing the player. It’s a difficult situation.

are the club leaking info that pochaliar is speaking to spider? or is it just pure speculation?
If Spurs are tapping him up then the club should report them, the rules are there and need to be enforced.

Ron is handling this very well indeed but the situation doesn't sound good.
Clubs, including ours, tap up players all the time. There is no point in reporting them. It will just start an unnecessary war. Everybody knows the unofficial rules.

Do what you need to do to get the best players for your club. Happens at every level from local boy's teams upwards.

The reverse side of that is do everything you can to keep the best players at your club. If your best doesn't work let them go at some point. January for instance when you can get the highest fee, when the buyer is desperate and there are fewer options in the market place.

Koeman sounds like an able politician, negotiator and man manager to me. I am very impressed so far. The proof of the pudding will be in points he wins for us.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: Maybe Tottenham is pressing the player, maybe the agent is pressing the player. It’s a difficult situation. are the club leaking info that pochaliar is speaking to spider? or is it just pure speculation?[/p][/quote]If Spurs are tapping him up then the club should report them, the rules are there and need to be enforced. Ron is handling this very well indeed but the situation doesn't sound good.[/p][/quote]Clubs, including ours, tap up players all the time. There is no point in reporting them. It will just start an unnecessary war. Everybody knows the unofficial rules. Do what you need to do to get the best players for your club. Happens at every level from local boy's teams upwards. The reverse side of that is do everything you can to keep the best players at your club. If your best doesn't work let them go at some point. January for instance when you can get the highest fee, when the buyer is desperate and there are fewer options in the market place. Koeman sounds like an able politician, negotiator and man manager to me. I am very impressed so far. The proof of the pudding will be in points he wins for us. george chivers
  • Score: 1

10:26am Sat 9 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
Also, Schneiderlin may be avoiding today's game because he's scared of facing we fans.
It may cost money, but we need to draw a line in the sand.
Krüger should keep to his word and not sell. The French traitor should sit on the bench until he apologises, publically, for his behaviour.
Ideally, he would be forced to do Community Service!
Numpty idea.
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: Also, Schneiderlin may be avoiding today's game because he's scared of facing we fans. It may cost money, but we need to draw a line in the sand. Krüger should keep to his word and not sell. The French traitor should sit on the bench until he apologises, publically, for his behaviour. Ideally, he would be forced to do Community Service![/p][/quote]Numpty idea. george chivers
  • Score: -1

10:31am Sat 9 Aug 14

jls217 says...

InsideOutCat wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Schelotto will not come becaus he was inimpressed with the saints project.by project he means ambition,by ambition he means les,Ron and Ralph.
Steve Bruce
Like Herpes eh Sammy 2plukes. You just can't stop yourself coming back.
[quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Schelotto will not come becaus he was inimpressed with the saints project.by project he means ambition,by ambition he means les,Ron and Ralph.[/p][/quote]Steve Bruce[/p][/quote]Like Herpes eh Sammy 2plukes. You just can't stop yourself coming back. jls217
  • Score: 2

11:47am Sat 9 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Stokesofdublin wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
IF the club stick to their word and actually hold Morgan to his contract it will be a moral victory for the club and the fans. Even if Morgan doesn't play ball, stick him in the reserves and let him damage his own career.

I know it's cutting our nose off to spite our face but we have to reverse this image of the club rolling over for players and bigger clubs. There has to come a point where the club make a statement that we are not a soft touch, but this has to be done through ACTIONS and NOT through prepared SOUNDBITES.

Ralph can't backdown after the assurances he gave regarding Morgan and Jay, to do so would be a massive slap in the face for us fans!!!
It's a pity it's come to this, particularly with a potential Saints Great like Morgan, but I have to agree. We should use some of the cash to make a stand and try to break a trend where the any and every player who gets a sniff of a better offer (rightly) believes they are effectively out of contract one they express a desire to go.
Yep!

In other sports like American football the players get paid handsomely but stick to their contracts. Contracts i may add that in a lot of cases favour the organsiations.

I can't think of another sport like football where players on a whim can dictate whether they want to see out their contract. They simple disrespect the undying loyalty of the fans who pay their over-inflated wages.
NFL contracts may favour the owners but they are far from lucrative compared to other sports. Top player in the NFL get about a third of what top NBA players get. Players have relatively short career with an average of just 3.5 years and most will get minimum pay, which is just a 100k a year. Rooney gets more a week than a lot of NFL players get in their careers! The only reason they stick to their contracts is because they are happy to be at a team, any team, NFL clubs don't often 'sell' players because there no point due to the salary cap, they are traded and as their contracts are not guaranteed players stay until the end of their contracts when they are classed as free agents, top players who become free agents are quickly snapped up whilst the rest have to go and do something else!
You are correct that the NFL teams don't sell players, but the players do have contracts

For the amount of time an NFL player actually plays they are paid very generously. Most player's teams only play 16 games in a season. Of those a player will usually be on the field for less then half a game.

Drew Brees made 40 million dollars in the 2012 season and he's not even one of the top five players in the league. For that he only played 16 games! In 2013 Wayne Rooney made 18.1 million dollars and played God only knows how many games.

The only time you'll see a player go on strike is in pre season when every year they'll be a few "hold outs", when a TOP player wants to improve the terms of his contract and doesn't attend training camp. Up until a few years ago it was pretty rare.

I think the salary cap they have helps keep a level playing field and is probably why they don't experience the problems a club like ours does.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stokesofdublin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: IF the club stick to their word and actually hold Morgan to his contract it will be a moral victory for the club and the fans. Even if Morgan doesn't play ball, stick him in the reserves and let him damage his own career. I know it's cutting our nose off to spite our face but we have to reverse this image of the club rolling over for players and bigger clubs. There has to come a point where the club make a statement that we are not a soft touch, but this has to be done through ACTIONS and NOT through prepared SOUNDBITES. Ralph can't backdown after the assurances he gave regarding Morgan and Jay, to do so would be a massive slap in the face for us fans!!![/p][/quote]It's a pity it's come to this, particularly with a potential Saints Great like Morgan, but I have to agree. We should use some of the cash to make a stand and try to break a trend where the any and every player who gets a sniff of a better offer (rightly) believes they are effectively out of contract one they express a desire to go.[/p][/quote]Yep! In other sports like American football the players get paid handsomely but stick to their contracts. Contracts i may add that in a lot of cases favour the organsiations. I can't think of another sport like football where players on a whim can dictate whether they want to see out their contract. They simple disrespect the undying loyalty of the fans who pay their over-inflated wages.[/p][/quote]NFL contracts may favour the owners but they are far from lucrative compared to other sports. Top player in the NFL get about a third of what top NBA players get. Players have relatively short career with an average of just 3.5 years and most will get minimum pay, which is just a 100k a year. Rooney gets more a week than a lot of NFL players get in their careers! The only reason they stick to their contracts is because they are happy to be at a team, any team, NFL clubs don't often 'sell' players because there no point due to the salary cap, they are traded and as their contracts are not guaranteed players stay until the end of their contracts when they are classed as free agents, top players who become free agents are quickly snapped up whilst the rest have to go and do something else![/p][/quote]You are correct that the NFL teams don't sell players, but the players do have contracts For the amount of time an NFL player actually plays they are paid very generously. Most player's teams only play 16 games in a season. Of those a player will usually be on the field for less then half a game. Drew Brees made 40 million dollars in the 2012 season and he's not even one of the top five players in the league. For that he only played 16 games! In 2013 Wayne Rooney made 18.1 million dollars and played God only knows how many games. The only time you'll see a player go on strike is in pre season when every year they'll be a few "hold outs", when a TOP player wants to improve the terms of his contract and doesn't attend training camp. Up until a few years ago it was pretty rare. I think the salary cap they have helps keep a level playing field and is probably why they don't experience the problems a club like ours does. redandy10
  • Score: 2

11:55am Sat 9 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

jls217 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Stokesofdublin wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
IF the club stick to their word and actually hold Morgan to his contract it will be a moral victory for the club and the fans. Even if Morgan doesn't play ball, stick him in the reserves and let him damage his own career.

I know it's cutting our nose off to spite our face but we have to reverse this image of the club rolling over for players and bigger clubs. There has to come a point where the club make a statement that we are not a soft touch, but this has to be done through ACTIONS and NOT through prepared SOUNDBITES.

Ralph can't backdown after the assurances he gave regarding Morgan and Jay, to do so would be a massive slap in the face for us fans!!!
It's a pity it's come to this, particularly with a potential Saints Great like Morgan, but I have to agree. We should use some of the cash to make a stand and try to break a trend where the any and every player who gets a sniff of a better offer (rightly) believes they are effectively out of contract one they express a desire to go.
Yep!

In other sports like American football the players get paid handsomely but stick to their contracts. Contracts i may add that in a lot of cases favour the organsiations.

I can't think of another sport like football where players on a whim can dictate whether they want to see out their contract. They simple disrespect the undying loyalty of the fans who pay their over-inflated wages.
Because the agents skew the contracts in the favour of their clients and unless they read that way they won't get signed.

Let's just pray Freddie and Rambo stay on the same hymn sheet and see who wins the battle of wits.
I think money will prevail and they will make the wisest of all decisions and that is to get rid whilst his stock is still high.

I liked this young man as a pro and the way he conducted himself on the park and off it but he has slipped to the level of the the others in my estimation.
Yeah the agents can skew the contracts in their client's favour by inserting release clauses, like buy out ones. And to be fair if they are in a contract a player or another club have every right to trigger them. What I find galling is when a player doesn't have such a clause in his contract. His talent is improved and showcased by a club like ours, who not only keep to our end of the contract but improve the terms, only for the player to threaten to belligerent when his demands for a move are turned down.

By all means ask, but then to blackmail the club is awful behaviour Imo.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stokesofdublin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: IF the club stick to their word and actually hold Morgan to his contract it will be a moral victory for the club and the fans. Even if Morgan doesn't play ball, stick him in the reserves and let him damage his own career. I know it's cutting our nose off to spite our face but we have to reverse this image of the club rolling over for players and bigger clubs. There has to come a point where the club make a statement that we are not a soft touch, but this has to be done through ACTIONS and NOT through prepared SOUNDBITES. Ralph can't backdown after the assurances he gave regarding Morgan and Jay, to do so would be a massive slap in the face for us fans!!![/p][/quote]It's a pity it's come to this, particularly with a potential Saints Great like Morgan, but I have to agree. We should use some of the cash to make a stand and try to break a trend where the any and every player who gets a sniff of a better offer (rightly) believes they are effectively out of contract one they express a desire to go.[/p][/quote]Yep! In other sports like American football the players get paid handsomely but stick to their contracts. Contracts i may add that in a lot of cases favour the organsiations. I can't think of another sport like football where players on a whim can dictate whether they want to see out their contract. They simple disrespect the undying loyalty of the fans who pay their over-inflated wages.[/p][/quote]Because the agents skew the contracts in the favour of their clients and unless they read that way they won't get signed. Let's just pray Freddie and Rambo stay on the same hymn sheet and see who wins the battle of wits. I think money will prevail and they will make the wisest of all decisions and that is to get rid whilst his stock is still high. I liked this young man as a pro and the way he conducted himself on the park and off it but he has slipped to the level of the the others in my estimation.[/p][/quote]Yeah the agents can skew the contracts in their client's favour by inserting release clauses, like buy out ones. And to be fair if they are in a contract a player or another club have every right to trigger them. What I find galling is when a player doesn't have such a clause in his contract. His talent is improved and showcased by a club like ours, who not only keep to our end of the contract but improve the terms, only for the player to threaten to belligerent when his demands for a move are turned down. By all means ask, but then to blackmail the club is awful behaviour Imo. redandy10
  • Score: 3

5:49pm Sat 9 Aug 14

miltonarcher says...

Really bored with this saga. It IS a shambles of the Boards making. Utter incompetence on the part of Reed and Kruger. Why didn't they apply the same criteria to Callum Chambers? He would have been a vital part of the squad. Under contract but wanted to leave, why not tell him, not for sale?

Now Mogan is feeling why am I different. Now when they sell him, the Board will look like complete fools, they have cried Wolf . Not for sale, when he is sold to Spurs they will trot out the usual crass excuses. We are a joke.
Really bored with this saga. It IS a shambles of the Boards making. Utter incompetence on the part of Reed and Kruger. Why didn't they apply the same criteria to Callum Chambers? He would have been a vital part of the squad. Under contract but wanted to leave, why not tell him, not for sale? Now Mogan is feeling why am I different. Now when they sell him, the Board will look like complete fools, they have cried Wolf . Not for sale, when he is sold to Spurs they will trot out the usual crass excuses. We are a joke. miltonarcher
  • Score: 2

8:52pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Scored raw says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Really bored with this saga. It IS a shambles of the Boards making. Utter incompetence on the part of Reed and Kruger. Why didn't they apply the same criteria to Callum Chambers? He would have been a vital part of the squad. Under contract but wanted to leave, why not tell him, not for sale?

Now Mogan is feeling why am I different. Now when they sell him, the Board will look like complete fools, they have cried Wolf . Not for sale, when he is sold to Spurs they will trot out the usual crass excuses. We are a joke.
Personally I believe saints have made a large rod for their backs. IF??? Saints can produce some good players this season, THEN they will endure a repeat procedure by the poaching squad next year, cos there is NOWT that can stop them. Contracts are worthless scraps of paper.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Really bored with this saga. It IS a shambles of the Boards making. Utter incompetence on the part of Reed and Kruger. Why didn't they apply the same criteria to Callum Chambers? He would have been a vital part of the squad. Under contract but wanted to leave, why not tell him, not for sale? Now Mogan is feeling why am I different. Now when they sell him, the Board will look like complete fools, they have cried Wolf . Not for sale, when he is sold to Spurs they will trot out the usual crass excuses. We are a joke.[/p][/quote]Personally I believe saints have made a large rod for their backs. IF??? Saints can produce some good players this season, THEN they will endure a repeat procedure by the poaching squad next year, cos there is NOWT that can stop them. Contracts are worthless scraps of paper. Scored raw
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