Saints reject Fonte bid

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Saints are reported to have rejected an offer from Cardiff for centre half Jose Fonte.

The Portuguese defender has just one year remaining on his current Saints contract, making him an attractive target for other sides who sense they can get a bargain if they are prepared to offer the 30-year-old an attractive long term deal.

Cardiff, who are bracing themselves for offers for central defender Steven Caulker, with whom Saints have been linked, have reportedly made the first move for Fonte.

However, their offer has apparently been flat out rejected by Saints.

Whether the player would be willing to drop down to the Championship anyway is unclear, but he did move from the second tier of English football down to League One when he joined Saints from Crystal Palace for £1.2m in January 2010.

With Rickie Lambert, Luke Shaw and Adam Lallana having already departed St Mary’s this summer, the club are desperately trying to avoid losing their top talent.

Dejan Lovren’s departure following a transfer request seems almost inevitable if somebody is prepared to break the £20m mark for a player signed for £8.5m last summer.

Liverpool, who have already raided Saints for Lambert and Lallana this summer, are very keen on him and have made two unsuccessful bids, both of which are believed to be less than £20m.

With rumours also swirling about the future of Morgan Schneiderlin, Saints and new boss Ronald Koeman will be desperate to avoid what could start to seem like an exodus of top talent from St Mary’s.

However, Saints have left themselves somewhat vulnerable to an offer for Fonte by allowing his contract to run down so far.

There is an argument though that even if the player indicated he did not wish to sign a new deal, in the current circumstances, he may be worth more to keep for a season than the fee Saints receive, though that same logic could have applied to Lambert.

Though it was a dream move for the striker to go to Liverpool, and the fee was not a terrible one considering his age, Saints still ended up with only £4m and a bit of goodwill to show for one of their best and most influential players.

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7:43pm Fri 4 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

Hmmm good and yet why not reject all the offers MAKE the players give us one exceptional season and see how the monkey swings, but no...
Hmmm good and yet why not reject all the offers MAKE the players give us one exceptional season and see how the monkey swings, but no... warrens 76
  • Score: 7

7:51pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Chapperall says...

Yes enough is enough no more transfers out of any more first team players! The rot set in with the Ricky lambert transfer, it was a cunning move by Liverpool and completed outsmarted the Saints board as they then used Ricky as a lever to attract others. I feel really sorry for Ricky as he will go from a hero here at Saints to a bench warmer.
Yes enough is enough no more transfers out of any more first team players! The rot set in with the Ricky lambert transfer, it was a cunning move by Liverpool and completed outsmarted the Saints board as they then used Ricky as a lever to attract others. I feel really sorry for Ricky as he will go from a hero here at Saints to a bench warmer. Chapperall
  • Score: 24

7:53pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Sherborne Saint says...

Christ almighty! So if Diverpool, Manure, Spuds and Arseholenal are the vultures feeding from our dying carcass. Cardiff must be the blackbirds feeding on the road kill. When will this ever end?
Christ almighty! So if Diverpool, Manure, Spuds and Arseholenal are the vultures feeding from our dying carcass. Cardiff must be the blackbirds feeding on the road kill. When will this ever end? Sherborne Saint
  • Score: 30

7:59pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Dave74 says...

'Saints are vulnerable for letting his contract run so far....." Since when has a contract stopped any of out players leaving in the past few weeks? And they had more than a year to run on theirs. If we don't tighten the reigns we will lose more of our talent and end up like QPR or Newcastle with a team of mercenaries in it for the money and bail at the first attractive offer.
Need to get some quality players in to show we mean business.
'Saints are vulnerable for letting his contract run so far....." Since when has a contract stopped any of out players leaving in the past few weeks? And they had more than a year to run on theirs. If we don't tighten the reigns we will lose more of our talent and end up like QPR or Newcastle with a team of mercenaries in it for the money and bail at the first attractive offer. Need to get some quality players in to show we mean business. Dave74
  • Score: 27

8:04pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Chapperall says...

I think we are seen as an easy target at the moment. From the outside it looks like we are in a chaotic mess and have lost control of the whole situation with player after player looking for a transfer.
Something needs to change soon and the first thing is that board start getting a grip with the situation as it's them that has got us in this mess no one else.
I am beginning to lose faith with Les Reid completely , I remember seeing him on Sky sports last season gloating about Saints performance, I can't see much gloating now, it's all gone rather quiet !
I think we are seen as an easy target at the moment. From the outside it looks like we are in a chaotic mess and have lost control of the whole situation with player after player looking for a transfer. Something needs to change soon and the first thing is that board start getting a grip with the situation as it's them that has got us in this mess no one else. I am beginning to lose faith with Les Reid completely , I remember seeing him on Sky sports last season gloating about Saints performance, I can't see much gloating now, it's all gone rather quiet ! Chapperall
  • Score: 4

8:07pm Fri 4 Jul 14

pitbull says...

I wonder if we had Europa League football this season would the likes of Lovren, Lallana, Shaw and Schneiderlin have given the Saints another season.
I've always thought these players and more, have been poisoned by the previous manager and it was his choice to field an under strength side in the FA Cup.
Could he have been that devious, with the help of the previous chairman, I think so.

It's also good to see the board turning down these offers and playing hardball. If other clubs want to pay well over the odds for our players, thats their fault.

Pelle had apparently missed the Feyenoord Charity Evening so it looks like he might be arriving soon, as does Dusan Tadic.
If we needed 4 players before the departures we could be getting 7 or 8 in.
Really looking forward to the arrivals, as soon as they start arriving the excitement will start to increase.
I wonder if we had Europa League football this season would the likes of Lovren, Lallana, Shaw and Schneiderlin have given the Saints another season. I've always thought these players and more, have been poisoned by the previous manager and it was his choice to field an under strength side in the FA Cup. Could he have been that devious, with the help of the previous chairman, I think so. It's also good to see the board turning down these offers and playing hardball. If other clubs want to pay well over the odds for our players, thats their fault. Pelle had apparently missed the Feyenoord Charity Evening so it looks like he might be arriving soon, as does Dusan Tadic. If we needed 4 players before the departures we could be getting 7 or 8 in. Really looking forward to the arrivals, as soon as they start arriving the excitement will start to increase. pitbull
  • Score: 44

8:10pm Fri 4 Jul 14

markodarko29 says...

We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying
We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying markodarko29
  • Score: 12

8:11pm Fri 4 Jul 14

dadofmy3sons says...

if this was a genuine bid then we as fans should be extremely worried.
Cardiff?
for Fonte?
at the moment he is probably our best cb as we can not be certain that Lovren will stay.
The media do drop an awful lot of rubbish in amongst the real stories and I hope that is just that, some rubbish filler.
I certainly do not think that Jose will take it very seriously, he stayed and fought for his place last season when he looked doomed and turned in quite a good season.
if this was a genuine bid then we as fans should be extremely worried. Cardiff? for Fonte? at the moment he is probably our best cb as we can not be certain that Lovren will stay. The media do drop an awful lot of rubbish in amongst the real stories and I hope that is just that, some rubbish filler. I certainly do not think that Jose will take it very seriously, he stayed and fought for his place last season when he looked doomed and turned in quite a good season. dadofmy3sons
  • Score: 9

8:17pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Sussex Jay says...

We r very slow getting players in and I can't belive so many are on the verge of going,what is going on?we need to get more in rather then losing players,going to be a tough start for everyone connected to sfc coyr!!
We r very slow getting players in and I can't belive so many are on the verge of going,what is going on?we need to get more in rather then losing players,going to be a tough start for everyone connected to sfc coyr!! Sussex Jay
  • Score: 5

8:21pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Billy Bowl says...

It's getting beyond a joke.
It's getting beyond a joke. Billy Bowl
  • Score: 14

8:26pm Fri 4 Jul 14

sparky130a says...

Enough is enough.

Rejecting a bid amid media speculation is no longer enough.

The board need to call a press conference at which they state their intentions. Transfer policy, ambitions, etc etc..

It's time we as a club grew a pair and started fighting back against this conjecture and media led rumour mill. Any idiot can see it's majorly damaging the club and our prospects, both short and long term.

Get it done. NOW.
Enough is enough. Rejecting a bid amid media speculation is no longer enough. The board need to call a press conference at which they state their intentions. Transfer policy, ambitions, etc etc.. It's time we as a club grew a pair and started fighting back against this conjecture and media led rumour mill. Any idiot can see it's majorly damaging the club and our prospects, both short and long term. Get it done. NOW. sparky130a
  • Score: 10

8:29pm Fri 4 Jul 14

richard903 says...

I trawl the sky web site most days, and re Dejan, the skiverpool fans are saying saints are greedy for asking so much. Like we are surposed to roll over and let them set our prices?? In the past I have followed them in europe or if we were out of a cup, I would cheer them on. But now I have feelings of hate building up, There scout needs a new map with without soton on it. On Jose why has his contract got so low? He has always been solid for us. Is he waiting for Brenda to make a bid? Oh well I like the new shirt
I trawl the sky web site most days, and re Dejan, the skiverpool fans are saying saints are greedy for asking so much. Like we are surposed to roll over and let them set our prices?? In the past I have followed them in europe or if we were out of a cup, I would cheer them on. But now I have feelings of hate building up, There scout needs a new map with without soton on it. On Jose why has his contract got so low? He has always been solid for us. Is he waiting for Brenda to make a bid? Oh well I like the new shirt richard903
  • Score: 22

8:30pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Golden_Salamander says...

Within 6 months of becoming chairman "Wreck It" has managed to turn this club into a complete joke so much so that we are getting joke offers from Championship clubs now for 1st teamers !!!!!
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The contracts for Jose, Jack and JayRod should have been sorted out before the end of last season, but the "clown" has managed to upset most of the 1st team - including promising to discuss contracts at the end of season but instead going on holiday to Canada.

It is almost as if he is deliberately trying to upset the players so that they WANT to go and he can give the money to the Liebherr Trust.
(It is not us trying to ASSET STRIP its those nasty players wanting to go).
Within 6 months of becoming chairman "Wreck It" has managed to turn this club into a complete joke so much so that we are getting joke offers from Championship clubs now for 1st teamers !!!!! . The contracts for Jose, Jack and JayRod should have been sorted out before the end of last season, but the "clown" has managed to upset most of the 1st team - including promising to discuss contracts at the end of season but instead going on holiday to Canada. It is almost as if he is deliberately trying to upset the players so that they WANT to go and he can give the money to the Liebherr Trust. (It is not us trying to ASSET STRIP its those nasty players wanting to go). Golden_Salamander
  • Score: -22

8:31pm Fri 4 Jul 14

milton road says...

As i said on another blogg Saints have just turned down a 18 million bid for Lovren from Liverpool on sky. Once the 20 million gets reached then there is little Saints can do cos it activates a release clause as I understand it.
What the echo says about Lovren may be true but on all the stories regarding Lovren a player who was happy to stay at Saints his last public quote before the world cup, other media are all quoting the echo as the source. The echo is not renowned for its accuracy by any stretch of the imagination.
Yet the truth is if someone hits the 20 million mark Lovren will probably leave if what the echo has said is true. Shame they have not got the courage to name their source if there is one.
Let us just hope that Koeman gets the right players in and quickly.
I do wonder how these guys will cope else where there was a big bond here of family that they ripped apart, it was built over years, it will take a long time for them to build that elsewhere.
People talk about Cortese going being a turning point, in fact it was NA in my book, his gospel was one of togetherness and being there for each other us against the world. For all his 'technique' Poch never ever had the soul of the club in his heart, NA did. Did Poch really take us up a stage or was it just hype, there was no doubt NA had steadied the ship and started to get results. Had saints improved?
Check the states for the last 28 games of each season.
Yoshida may not be everyone's cup of tea but he played most of the last 28 games of that 1st season and I think i am right in saying we conceded less goals than the final 28 this term. 32 in number. He had a bad game against Villa last season which was his first of the season this time round after that he did not let us down when he played. Yet that seems to be the game he is judged on.
Points wise there was little difference over the last 28 games of both seasons. The difference was the first 10 games in the prem and the first 10 games this time round when clubs had not worked our system out.
Everything the squad, the togetherness was NA. Yes Poch was a good coach but not as great a coach as everyone is making out in my book. He will do well at Spurs but I don't think he will do well enough.
As i said on another blogg Saints have just turned down a 18 million bid for Lovren from Liverpool on sky. Once the 20 million gets reached then there is little Saints can do cos it activates a release clause as I understand it. What the echo says about Lovren may be true but on all the stories regarding Lovren a player who was happy to stay at Saints his last public quote before the world cup, other media are all quoting the echo as the source. The echo is not renowned for its accuracy by any stretch of the imagination. Yet the truth is if someone hits the 20 million mark Lovren will probably leave if what the echo has said is true. Shame they have not got the courage to name their source if there is one. Let us just hope that Koeman gets the right players in and quickly. I do wonder how these guys will cope else where there was a big bond here of family that they ripped apart, it was built over years, it will take a long time for them to build that elsewhere. People talk about Cortese going being a turning point, in fact it was NA in my book, his gospel was one of togetherness and being there for each other us against the world. For all his 'technique' Poch never ever had the soul of the club in his heart, NA did. Did Poch really take us up a stage or was it just hype, there was no doubt NA had steadied the ship and started to get results. Had saints improved? Check the states for the last 28 games of each season. Yoshida may not be everyone's cup of tea but he played most of the last 28 games of that 1st season and I think i am right in saying we conceded less goals than the final 28 this term. 32 in number. He had a bad game against Villa last season which was his first of the season this time round after that he did not let us down when he played. Yet that seems to be the game he is judged on. Points wise there was little difference over the last 28 games of both seasons. The difference was the first 10 games in the prem and the first 10 games this time round when clubs had not worked our system out. Everything the squad, the togetherness was NA. Yes Poch was a good coach but not as great a coach as everyone is making out in my book. He will do well at Spurs but I don't think he will do well enough. milton road
  • Score: 32

8:34pm Fri 4 Jul 14

andygoater1957 says...

Ron most being press con forward from 11th asap to get fans on his side.Then we may be happier as like.we were this morning with the new kit.
Ron most being press con forward from 11th asap to get fans on his side.Then we may be happier as like.we were this morning with the new kit. andygoater1957
  • Score: -5

8:35pm Fri 4 Jul 14

sparky130a says...

richard903 wrote:
I trawl the sky web site most days, and re Dejan, the skiverpool fans are saying saints are greedy for asking so much. Like we are surposed to roll over and let them set our prices?? In the past I have followed them in europe or if we were out of a cup, I would cheer them on. But now I have feelings of hate building up, There scout needs a new map with without soton on it. On Jose why has his contract got so low? He has always been solid for us. Is he waiting for Brenda to make a bid? Oh well I like the new shirt
I saw those comments. I thought it best not to comment.. For obvious reasons...

Let em squinny all they want. Pay up or shut up i say.
[quote][p][bold]richard903[/bold] wrote: I trawl the sky web site most days, and re Dejan, the skiverpool fans are saying saints are greedy for asking so much. Like we are surposed to roll over and let them set our prices?? In the past I have followed them in europe or if we were out of a cup, I would cheer them on. But now I have feelings of hate building up, There scout needs a new map with without soton on it. On Jose why has his contract got so low? He has always been solid for us. Is he waiting for Brenda to make a bid? Oh well I like the new shirt[/p][/quote]I saw those comments. I thought it best not to comment.. For obvious reasons... Let em squinny all they want. Pay up or shut up i say. sparky130a
  • Score: 4

8:36pm Fri 4 Jul 14

markodarko29 says...

Were have Pompey bidding for our players next ,this is a joke ,board sort it out, show our intentions and sign some top drawer players ,give the fans and the club hope ,OK then not pompey I think Eastleigh are better off
Were have Pompey bidding for our players next ,this is a joke ,board sort it out, show our intentions and sign some top drawer players ,give the fans and the club hope ,OK then not pompey I think Eastleigh are better off markodarko29
  • Score: -3

8:43pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Confucious says...

Where's Seed - I hope he's being cared for?
Where's Seed - I hope he's being cared for? Confucious
  • Score: 12

8:44pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Confucious says...

I have e mailed the club urgently to tell them to hide tibbs the cat.
I have e mailed the club urgently to tell them to hide tibbs the cat. Confucious
  • Score: 14

8:48pm Fri 4 Jul 14

bakeyboy says...

Let him go, he's done all he is going to do for us so I would get a few million for him and tie up Caulker as part of the package. Lets be brutally honest here, he's a donkey at prem level and if he did not have Lovren along side him last year we would never have finished 8th in the table. We need to replace the spine of the team for next season and that includes two new centre halves, one left sided and one on the right. I would keep Yoshida because he will improve and he has one thing that Fonte will never, PACE! We also have a couple of development lads that are coming through so lets get that Dutch lad in from Celtic and find one more gem to play along side him, new creative attacking midfielder (Tadic) and a new partner for Jay Rod (Pelle) the futures bright cause its Red and White. (Stripes that is)
Let him go, he's done all he is going to do for us so I would get a few million for him and tie up Caulker as part of the package. Lets be brutally honest here, he's a donkey at prem level and if he did not have Lovren along side him last year we would never have finished 8th in the table. We need to replace the spine of the team for next season and that includes two new centre halves, one left sided and one on the right. I would keep Yoshida because he will improve and he has one thing that Fonte will never, PACE! We also have a couple of development lads that are coming through so lets get that Dutch lad in from Celtic and find one more gem to play along side him, new creative attacking midfielder (Tadic) and a new partner for Jay Rod (Pelle) the futures bright cause its Red and White. (Stripes that is) bakeyboy
  • Score: -7

8:48pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Wagon painted says...

Fonte is my choice as 4th centre back.That said if we sign quality to push on to attack 6/7th place which is I believe our limit with the likes of Caulker
Fonte is my choice as 4th centre back.That said if we sign quality to push on to attack 6/7th place which is I believe our limit with the likes of Caulker Wagon painted
  • Score: -8

8:50pm Fri 4 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

milton road wrote:
As i said on another blogg Saints have just turned down a 18 million bid for Lovren from Liverpool on sky. Once the 20 million gets reached then there is little Saints can do cos it activates a release clause as I understand it.
What the echo says about Lovren may be true but on all the stories regarding Lovren a player who was happy to stay at Saints his last public quote before the world cup, other media are all quoting the echo as the source. The echo is not renowned for its accuracy by any stretch of the imagination.
Yet the truth is if someone hits the 20 million mark Lovren will probably leave if what the echo has said is true. Shame they have not got the courage to name their source if there is one.
Let us just hope that Koeman gets the right players in and quickly.
I do wonder how these guys will cope else where there was a big bond here of family that they ripped apart, it was built over years, it will take a long time for them to build that elsewhere.
People talk about Cortese going being a turning point, in fact it was NA in my book, his gospel was one of togetherness and being there for each other us against the world. For all his 'technique' Poch never ever had the soul of the club in his heart, NA did. Did Poch really take us up a stage or was it just hype, there was no doubt NA had steadied the ship and started to get results. Had saints improved?
Check the states for the last 28 games of each season.
Yoshida may not be everyone's cup of tea but he played most of the last 28 games of that 1st season and I think i am right in saying we conceded less goals than the final 28 this term. 32 in number. He had a bad game against Villa last season which was his first of the season this time round after that he did not let us down when he played. Yet that seems to be the game he is judged on.
Points wise there was little difference over the last 28 games of both seasons. The difference was the first 10 games in the prem and the first 10 games this time round when clubs had not worked our system out.
Everything the squad, the togetherness was NA. Yes Poch was a good coach but not as great a coach as everyone is making out in my book. He will do well at Spurs but I don't think he will do well enough.
from what I read its not a release clause in his contract but more of a `gentlemen`s agreement` made between Dejan and NC. if its not a release clause then the current board have absolutely no obligation to honour it. I have also read in a couple of places that the bid was nowhere near £18mill and might even be as low as £14mill.
with all the others we will have to wait and see, and hope that the board start to stand firm.
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: As i said on another blogg Saints have just turned down a 18 million bid for Lovren from Liverpool on sky. Once the 20 million gets reached then there is little Saints can do cos it activates a release clause as I understand it. What the echo says about Lovren may be true but on all the stories regarding Lovren a player who was happy to stay at Saints his last public quote before the world cup, other media are all quoting the echo as the source. The echo is not renowned for its accuracy by any stretch of the imagination. Yet the truth is if someone hits the 20 million mark Lovren will probably leave if what the echo has said is true. Shame they have not got the courage to name their source if there is one. Let us just hope that Koeman gets the right players in and quickly. I do wonder how these guys will cope else where there was a big bond here of family that they ripped apart, it was built over years, it will take a long time for them to build that elsewhere. People talk about Cortese going being a turning point, in fact it was NA in my book, his gospel was one of togetherness and being there for each other us against the world. For all his 'technique' Poch never ever had the soul of the club in his heart, NA did. Did Poch really take us up a stage or was it just hype, there was no doubt NA had steadied the ship and started to get results. Had saints improved? Check the states for the last 28 games of each season. Yoshida may not be everyone's cup of tea but he played most of the last 28 games of that 1st season and I think i am right in saying we conceded less goals than the final 28 this term. 32 in number. He had a bad game against Villa last season which was his first of the season this time round after that he did not let us down when he played. Yet that seems to be the game he is judged on. Points wise there was little difference over the last 28 games of both seasons. The difference was the first 10 games in the prem and the first 10 games this time round when clubs had not worked our system out. Everything the squad, the togetherness was NA. Yes Poch was a good coach but not as great a coach as everyone is making out in my book. He will do well at Spurs but I don't think he will do well enough.[/p][/quote]from what I read its not a release clause in his contract but more of a `gentlemen`s agreement` made between Dejan and NC. if its not a release clause then the current board have absolutely no obligation to honour it. I have also read in a couple of places that the bid was nowhere near £18mill and might even be as low as £14mill. with all the others we will have to wait and see, and hope that the board start to stand firm. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 10

8:52pm Fri 4 Jul 14

kingsaint76 says...

As if he's gonna go to Cardiff, he dropped a division for saints cause he could see we were on the move, Cardiff are a relatively small club with one fluke season in the premiership, they're championship through and through. I could handle Caulker coming this way mind, young England international, sweet!
As if he's gonna go to Cardiff, he dropped a division for saints cause he could see we were on the move, Cardiff are a relatively small club with one fluke season in the premiership, they're championship through and through. I could handle Caulker coming this way mind, young England international, sweet! kingsaint76
  • Score: 8

8:55pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

If we want him to stay extend his contract. It ain't difficult is it. And even more important get Jack Cork signed up long term.
If we want him to stay extend his contract. It ain't difficult is it. And even more important get Jack Cork signed up long term. Clever Dick
  • Score: 15

8:58pm Fri 4 Jul 14

bakeyboy says...

What you need to remember is Fonte's age, he is in his thirties now and players start thinking a little differently towards the end of their careers. He would probably welcome one last pay day with a nice signing on fee and a two or three year deal and it is no coincidence that Saints have let his contract run down.
What you need to remember is Fonte's age, he is in his thirties now and players start thinking a little differently towards the end of their careers. He would probably welcome one last pay day with a nice signing on fee and a two or three year deal and it is no coincidence that Saints have let his contract run down. bakeyboy
  • Score: 10

9:19pm Fri 4 Jul 14

saintbobby says...

Fonte's as part if a Caulker deal might be in our interests for all the reasons mentioned above.

But it is the Lovren row that upsets me ost. Not because the player has been good but the non-negotiating skill of this Board/Reed.

Take Lallana. I imagine most would like him to have stayed, but he set his heart on going. Therefore, Saints held the aces as far as Diverpool is concerned. Eventually, we accept a lower fee than we should have got and salt is rubbed in with us having to give The Cherries, not a couple of quid, but hells bells a whopping 25%. Why was there no effort to make Brenda pay that? A hard nose would have got something since they were that keen to sign AL.

So you see what worries me. No savvy, it seems, and we are still pouncing about trying to get the signatures of Pelle and Tadic. I mentioned it elsewhere, but just how long did it take to get Gaston signed?

Really would like to see some spine and a LOT of action.
Fonte's as part if a Caulker deal might be in our interests for all the reasons mentioned above. But it is the Lovren row that upsets me ost. Not because the player has been good but the non-negotiating skill of this Board/Reed. Take Lallana. I imagine most would like him to have stayed, but he set his heart on going. Therefore, Saints held the aces as far as Diverpool is concerned. Eventually, we accept a lower fee than we should have got and salt is rubbed in with us having to give The Cherries, not a couple of quid, but hells bells a whopping 25%. Why was there no effort to make Brenda pay that? A hard nose would have got something since they were that keen to sign AL. So you see what worries me. No savvy, it seems, and we are still pouncing about trying to get the signatures of Pelle and Tadic. I mentioned it elsewhere, but just how long did it take to get Gaston signed? Really would like to see some spine and a LOT of action. saintbobby
  • Score: -9

9:25pm Fri 4 Jul 14

TGodSFC says...

Wow clam down everyone, things are under control. The players being sold are a must as there minds have been poisoned and their stay will only cause the poised thought to spread, we got good money for them and as much as we may love them they are all replaceable. I'd expect Lovern and Dani to be the only ones left to go. No one else will leave.
Most of the players have already met Big Ron and they've said they love him, warmed to him already, all of them.

Clubs are testing the waters because from the outside it looks bad, but the board know what their doing, it's not football manager.
Wow clam down everyone, things are under control. The players being sold are a must as there minds have been poisoned and their stay will only cause the poised thought to spread, we got good money for them and as much as we may love them they are all replaceable. I'd expect Lovern and Dani to be the only ones left to go. No one else will leave. Most of the players have already met Big Ron and they've said they love him, warmed to him already, all of them. Clubs are testing the waters because from the outside it looks bad, but the board know what their doing, it's not football manager. TGodSFC
  • Score: 15

9:31pm Fri 4 Jul 14

saintand266 says...

All we need now is a skunt pretending to be a Cardiff fan come on here .

I think Cardiff are just chancing their arm with fonte , I can't see him dropping down a league but if another premier league side try then it might be time to really start worrying.

We can't afford to lose any more players full stop .
Its all good and well having 60 million or so to spend but we need 7 or 8 additions as it stands .
The club need to act now , before its to late and they are forced into panic buying .
All we need now is a skunt pretending to be a Cardiff fan come on here . I think Cardiff are just chancing their arm with fonte , I can't see him dropping down a league but if another premier league side try then it might be time to really start worrying. We can't afford to lose any more players full stop . Its all good and well having 60 million or so to spend but we need 7 or 8 additions as it stands . The club need to act now , before its to late and they are forced into panic buying . saintand266
  • Score: 13

9:49pm Fri 4 Jul 14

InsideOutCat says...

andygoater1957 wrote:
Ron most being press con forward from 11th asap to get fans on his side.Then we may be happier as like.we were this morning with the new kit.
What?
[quote][p][bold]andygoater1957[/bold] wrote: Ron most being press con forward from 11th asap to get fans on his side.Then we may be happier as like.we were this morning with the new kit.[/p][/quote]What? InsideOutCat
  • Score: 24

10:04pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Malcombe says...

Confucious

You say hide Tibbs the Cat oh most humorous one I agree with you I say hide the Coffee Tea milk and sugar and the dredges and lock up the Pies and Crisp also security will soon be needed to guard the bricks and mortar it's never fricking ending, I'll be having nightmares if it doesn't stop enough is enough
Confucious You say hide Tibbs the Cat oh most humorous one I agree with you I say hide the Coffee Tea milk and sugar and the dredges and lock up the Pies and Crisp also security will soon be needed to guard the bricks and mortar it's never fricking ending, I'll be having nightmares if it doesn't stop enough is enough Malcombe
  • Score: 3

10:12pm Fri 4 Jul 14

saints fan #1 says...

Feel sorry for SRL.
Top Bloke
If someone asked him what position did you play for the Saints he proudly say i was a top goal scorer and their main striker.
then what position did you play for diverpool with his head down would say their top bench warmer
Feel sorry for SRL. Top Bloke If someone asked him what position did you play for the Saints he proudly say i was a top goal scorer and their main striker. then what position did you play for diverpool with his head down would say their top bench warmer saints fan #1
  • Score: 3

10:26pm Fri 4 Jul 14

InCortesewetrust says...

andygoater1957 wrote:
Ron most being press con forward from 11th asap to get fans on his side.Then we may be happier as like.we were this morning with the new kit.
Ron know is tomatoes. Fans will get on his head if press con is 11th we happy tomorrow like yesterday and last month but not like last week, I'm a bit uuddled mp, I mean uixed mp.
[quote][p][bold]andygoater1957[/bold] wrote: Ron most being press con forward from 11th asap to get fans on his side.Then we may be happier as like.we were this morning with the new kit.[/p][/quote]Ron know is tomatoes. Fans will get on his head if press con is 11th we happy tomorrow like yesterday and last month but not like last week, I'm a bit uuddled mp, I mean uixed mp. InCortesewetrust
  • Score: 5

10:44pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Buddy SFC says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
andygoater1957 wrote:
Ron most being press con forward from 11th asap to get fans on his side.Then we may be happier as like.we were this morning with the new kit.
Ron know is tomatoes. Fans will get on his head if press con is 11th we happy tomorrow like yesterday and last month but not like last week, I'm a bit uuddled mp, I mean uixed mp.
Ok I want some of what your drinking ..............
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andygoater1957[/bold] wrote: Ron most being press con forward from 11th asap to get fans on his side.Then we may be happier as like.we were this morning with the new kit.[/p][/quote]Ron know is tomatoes. Fans will get on his head if press con is 11th we happy tomorrow like yesterday and last month but not like last week, I'm a bit uuddled mp, I mean uixed mp.[/p][/quote]Ok I want some of what your drinking .............. Buddy SFC
  • Score: 4

10:54pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
andygoater1957 wrote:
Ron most being press con forward from 11th asap to get fans on his side.Then we may be happier as like.we were this morning with the new kit.
Ron know is tomatoes. Fans will get on his head if press con is 11th we happy tomorrow like yesterday and last month but not like last week, I'm a bit uuddled mp, I mean uixed mp.
Ok I want some of what your drinking ..............
Or smoking.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andygoater1957[/bold] wrote: Ron most being press con forward from 11th asap to get fans on his side.Then we may be happier as like.we were this morning with the new kit.[/p][/quote]Ron know is tomatoes. Fans will get on his head if press con is 11th we happy tomorrow like yesterday and last month but not like last week, I'm a bit uuddled mp, I mean uixed mp.[/p][/quote]Ok I want some of what your drinking ..............[/p][/quote]Or smoking. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 4

11:05pm Fri 4 Jul 14

poshdave says...

....................
.well this is getting all rather silly now............we need to do something big and quick...........trou
ble is that's when mistakes are made!.....a good signing would be welcome though..............
.
.................... .well this is getting all rather silly now............we need to do something big and quick...........trou ble is that's when mistakes are made!.....a good signing would be welcome though.............. . poshdave
  • Score: 1

11:09pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Bazultra says...

You have to be kidding me. No disrespect to Fonte who for me has been our best centre half since Claus. The board are selling all our players off and keep a player for me who is not up to the standard anymore. This board are a complete joke and we are now the laughing stock of the premier league. Yeah all teams lose players but whats happening here is planned by KL herself. Shame on you KL
You have to be kidding me. No disrespect to Fonte who for me has been our best centre half since Claus. The board are selling all our players off and keep a player for me who is not up to the standard anymore. This board are a complete joke and we are now the laughing stock of the premier league. Yeah all teams lose players but whats happening here is planned by KL herself. Shame on you KL Bazultra
  • Score: -9

11:09pm Fri 4 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

markodarko29 wrote:
We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying
Please don't worry and please do have some patience. Players departing before new players are brought in is common practice in football. I reckon the Saints board will quite possibly turn out to be a whole lot more astute than some people believe. I think that they will shortly start showing us some quality new signings, which will prove after all that there is still plenty of ambition to take Southampton FC onward and upward.

If Katharina had intended to sell the club, selling some of its best players beforehand would obviously have reduced the club's value. It would also have made no sense employing Ronald Koeman, a manager with a trophy winning habit, unlike Mauricio Pochettino so far.

There is no mess as you call it at Southampton FC. We already have a higher profile manager and new coaches and it seems that the new signings will soon start happening. Signing players can take a while because contracts involve lawyers and agents.

Last season is history. I'm looking forward to next season!!!
[quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying[/p][/quote]Please don't worry and please do have some patience. Players departing before new players are brought in is common practice in football. I reckon the Saints board will quite possibly turn out to be a whole lot more astute than some people believe. I think that they will shortly start showing us some quality new signings, which will prove after all that there is still plenty of ambition to take Southampton FC onward and upward. If Katharina had intended to sell the club, selling some of its best players beforehand would obviously have reduced the club's value. It would also have made no sense employing Ronald Koeman, a manager with a trophy winning habit, unlike Mauricio Pochettino so far. There is no mess as you call it at Southampton FC. We already have a higher profile manager and new coaches and it seems that the new signings will soon start happening. Signing players can take a while because contracts involve lawyers and agents. Last season is history. I'm looking forward to next season!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 19

11:18pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying
Please don't worry and please do have some patience. Players departing before new players are brought in is common practice in football. I reckon the Saints board will quite possibly turn out to be a whole lot more astute than some people believe. I think that they will shortly start showing us some quality new signings, which will prove after all that there is still plenty of ambition to take Southampton FC onward and upward.

If Katharina had intended to sell the club, selling some of its best players beforehand would obviously have reduced the club's value. It would also have made no sense employing Ronald Koeman, a manager with a trophy winning habit, unlike Mauricio Pochettino so far.

There is no mess as you call it at Southampton FC. We already have a higher profile manager and new coaches and it seems that the new signings will soon start happening. Signing players can take a while because contracts involve lawyers and agents.

Last season is history. I'm looking forward to next season!!!
But why did they need to fix something that wasn't broken?(till about a month ago.
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying[/p][/quote]Please don't worry and please do have some patience. Players departing before new players are brought in is common practice in football. I reckon the Saints board will quite possibly turn out to be a whole lot more astute than some people believe. I think that they will shortly start showing us some quality new signings, which will prove after all that there is still plenty of ambition to take Southampton FC onward and upward. If Katharina had intended to sell the club, selling some of its best players beforehand would obviously have reduced the club's value. It would also have made no sense employing Ronald Koeman, a manager with a trophy winning habit, unlike Mauricio Pochettino so far. There is no mess as you call it at Southampton FC. We already have a higher profile manager and new coaches and it seems that the new signings will soon start happening. Signing players can take a while because contracts involve lawyers and agents. Last season is history. I'm looking forward to next season!!![/p][/quote]But why did they need to fix something that wasn't broken?(till about a month ago. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -3

11:37pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Littleton-Saint says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying
Please don't worry and please do have some patience. Players departing before new players are brought in is common practice in football. I reckon the Saints board will quite possibly turn out to be a whole lot more astute than some people believe. I think that they will shortly start showing us some quality new signings, which will prove after all that there is still plenty of ambition to take Southampton FC onward and upward.

If Katharina had intended to sell the club, selling some of its best players beforehand would obviously have reduced the club's value. It would also have made no sense employing Ronald Koeman, a manager with a trophy winning habit, unlike Mauricio Pochettino so far.

There is no mess as you call it at Southampton FC. We already have a higher profile manager and new coaches and it seems that the new signings will soon start happening. Signing players can take a while because contracts involve lawyers and agents.

Last season is history. I'm looking forward to next season!!!
But why did they need to fix something that wasn't broken?(till about a month ago.
Because certain players wanted out due to
Cortese's and MoPo's negative influences!?
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying[/p][/quote]Please don't worry and please do have some patience. Players departing before new players are brought in is common practice in football. I reckon the Saints board will quite possibly turn out to be a whole lot more astute than some people believe. I think that they will shortly start showing us some quality new signings, which will prove after all that there is still plenty of ambition to take Southampton FC onward and upward. If Katharina had intended to sell the club, selling some of its best players beforehand would obviously have reduced the club's value. It would also have made no sense employing Ronald Koeman, a manager with a trophy winning habit, unlike Mauricio Pochettino so far. There is no mess as you call it at Southampton FC. We already have a higher profile manager and new coaches and it seems that the new signings will soon start happening. Signing players can take a while because contracts involve lawyers and agents. Last season is history. I'm looking forward to next season!!![/p][/quote]But why did they need to fix something that wasn't broken?(till about a month ago.[/p][/quote]Because certain players wanted out due to Cortese's and MoPo's negative influences!? Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 7

11:42pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Littleton-Saint wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying
Please don't worry and please do have some patience. Players departing before new players are brought in is common practice in football. I reckon the Saints board will quite possibly turn out to be a whole lot more astute than some people believe. I think that they will shortly start showing us some quality new signings, which will prove after all that there is still plenty of ambition to take Southampton FC onward and upward.

If Katharina had intended to sell the club, selling some of its best players beforehand would obviously have reduced the club's value. It would also have made no sense employing Ronald Koeman, a manager with a trophy winning habit, unlike Mauricio Pochettino so far.

There is no mess as you call it at Southampton FC. We already have a higher profile manager and new coaches and it seems that the new signings will soon start happening. Signing players can take a while because contracts involve lawyers and agents.

Last season is history. I'm looking forward to next season!!!
But why did they need to fix something that wasn't broken?(till about a month ago.
Because certain players wanted out due to
Cortese's and MoPo's negative influences!?
How can last seasons performance under the pair of them be described as negative? Up to the moment Cortese left there had been nothing but positivity. Someone put the kaibosch on the plan,but I don't think it was NC or MP.
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying[/p][/quote]Please don't worry and please do have some patience. Players departing before new players are brought in is common practice in football. I reckon the Saints board will quite possibly turn out to be a whole lot more astute than some people believe. I think that they will shortly start showing us some quality new signings, which will prove after all that there is still plenty of ambition to take Southampton FC onward and upward. If Katharina had intended to sell the club, selling some of its best players beforehand would obviously have reduced the club's value. It would also have made no sense employing Ronald Koeman, a manager with a trophy winning habit, unlike Mauricio Pochettino so far. There is no mess as you call it at Southampton FC. We already have a higher profile manager and new coaches and it seems that the new signings will soon start happening. Signing players can take a while because contracts involve lawyers and agents. Last season is history. I'm looking forward to next season!!![/p][/quote]But why did they need to fix something that wasn't broken?(till about a month ago.[/p][/quote]Because certain players wanted out due to Cortese's and MoPo's negative influences!?[/p][/quote]How can last seasons performance under the pair of them be described as negative? Up to the moment Cortese left there had been nothing but positivity. Someone put the kaibosch on the plan,but I don't think it was NC or MP. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -2

11:45pm Fri 4 Jul 14

arthur boutfaith says...

bakeyboy wrote:
Let him go, he's done all he is going to do for us so I would get a few million for him and tie up Caulker as part of the package. Lets be brutally honest here, he's a donkey at prem level and if he did not have Lovren along side him last year we would never have finished 8th in the table. We need to replace the spine of the team for next season and that includes two new centre halves, one left sided and one on the right. I would keep Yoshida because he will improve and he has one thing that Fonte will never, PACE! We also have a couple of development lads that are coming through so lets get that Dutch lad in from Celtic and find one more gem to play along side him, new creative attacking midfielder (Tadic) and a new partner for Jay Rod (Pelle) the futures bright cause its Red and White. (Stripes that is)
Well done bakeyboy, you are absolutely bang on the money.
[quote][p][bold]bakeyboy[/bold] wrote: Let him go, he's done all he is going to do for us so I would get a few million for him and tie up Caulker as part of the package. Lets be brutally honest here, he's a donkey at prem level and if he did not have Lovren along side him last year we would never have finished 8th in the table. We need to replace the spine of the team for next season and that includes two new centre halves, one left sided and one on the right. I would keep Yoshida because he will improve and he has one thing that Fonte will never, PACE! We also have a couple of development lads that are coming through so lets get that Dutch lad in from Celtic and find one more gem to play along side him, new creative attacking midfielder (Tadic) and a new partner for Jay Rod (Pelle) the futures bright cause its Red and White. (Stripes that is)[/p][/quote]Well done bakeyboy, you are absolutely bang on the money. arthur boutfaith
  • Score: 6

11:49pm Fri 4 Jul 14

arthur boutfaith says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
andygoater1957 wrote:
Ron most being press con forward from 11th asap to get fans on his side.Then we may be happier as like.we were this morning with the new kit.
Ron know is tomatoes. Fans will get on his head if press con is 11th we happy tomorrow like yesterday and last month but not like last week, I'm a bit uuddled mp, I mean uixed mp.
Now who can argue with that?
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andygoater1957[/bold] wrote: Ron most being press con forward from 11th asap to get fans on his side.Then we may be happier as like.we were this morning with the new kit.[/p][/quote]Ron know is tomatoes. Fans will get on his head if press con is 11th we happy tomorrow like yesterday and last month but not like last week, I'm a bit uuddled mp, I mean uixed mp.[/p][/quote]Now who can argue with that? arthur boutfaith
  • Score: 2

12:47am Sat 5 Jul 14

Bazultra says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying
Please don't worry and please do have some patience. Players departing before new players are brought in is common practice in football. I reckon the Saints board will quite possibly turn out to be a whole lot more astute than some people believe. I think that they will shortly start showing us some quality new signings, which will prove after all that there is still plenty of ambition to take Southampton FC onward and upward.

If Katharina had intended to sell the club, selling some of its best players beforehand would obviously have reduced the club's value. It would also have made no sense employing Ronald Koeman, a manager with a trophy winning habit, unlike Mauricio Pochettino so far.

There is no mess as you call it at Southampton FC. We already have a higher profile manager and new coaches and it seems that the new signings will soon start happening. Signing players can take a while because contracts involve lawyers and agents.

Last season is history. I'm looking forward to next season!!!
Sorry but I cant agree with you there. As much as I want to be positive Liverpool and Man U havnt wasted anytime signing players and they dont have a mass exodus going on! Under Cortese we were a side with ambition and it was there for all to see.
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying[/p][/quote]Please don't worry and please do have some patience. Players departing before new players are brought in is common practice in football. I reckon the Saints board will quite possibly turn out to be a whole lot more astute than some people believe. I think that they will shortly start showing us some quality new signings, which will prove after all that there is still plenty of ambition to take Southampton FC onward and upward. If Katharina had intended to sell the club, selling some of its best players beforehand would obviously have reduced the club's value. It would also have made no sense employing Ronald Koeman, a manager with a trophy winning habit, unlike Mauricio Pochettino so far. There is no mess as you call it at Southampton FC. We already have a higher profile manager and new coaches and it seems that the new signings will soon start happening. Signing players can take a while because contracts involve lawyers and agents. Last season is history. I'm looking forward to next season!!![/p][/quote]Sorry but I cant agree with you there. As much as I want to be positive Liverpool and Man U havnt wasted anytime signing players and they dont have a mass exodus going on! Under Cortese we were a side with ambition and it was there for all to see. Bazultra
  • Score: 11

12:55am Sat 5 Jul 14

donni1437 says...

A weak board makes us an easy target, ironically letting Fonte go wouldn't be so bad, but he's probably now one of the best outfield players left from last season so we can't. Well done to the board.

I will judge properly once all signings have been made, but if we go like for like with those that have gone it still leaves massive holes that need filling i.e. GK, CB, FWD. If Lovren and Morgan leave too, nothing would surprise me, then you're talking half a new team needed or we fill holes from the current squad?
A weak board makes us an easy target, ironically letting Fonte go wouldn't be so bad, but he's probably now one of the best outfield players left from last season so we can't. Well done to the board. I will judge properly once all signings have been made, but if we go like for like with those that have gone it still leaves massive holes that need filling i.e. GK, CB, FWD. If Lovren and Morgan leave too, nothing would surprise me, then you're talking half a new team needed or we fill holes from the current squad? donni1437
  • Score: 9

1:35am Sat 5 Jul 14

SaintSteve76 says...

Bazultra wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying
Please don't worry and please do have some patience. Players departing before new players are brought in is common practice in football. I reckon the Saints board will quite possibly turn out to be a whole lot more astute than some people believe. I think that they will shortly start showing us some quality new signings, which will prove after all that there is still plenty of ambition to take Southampton FC onward and upward.

If Katharina had intended to sell the club, selling some of its best players beforehand would obviously have reduced the club's value. It would also have made no sense employing Ronald Koeman, a manager with a trophy winning habit, unlike Mauricio Pochettino so far.

There is no mess as you call it at Southampton FC. We already have a higher profile manager and new coaches and it seems that the new signings will soon start happening. Signing players can take a while because contracts involve lawyers and agents.

Last season is history. I'm looking forward to next season!!!
Sorry but I cant agree with you there. As much as I want to be positive Liverpool and Man U havnt wasted anytime signing players and they dont have a mass exodus going on! Under Cortese we were a side with ambition and it was there for all to see.
I'm afraid I don't agree either. Since Cortese left everything has gone downhill. We've already lost Lambert, Lallana and Shaw, as well as Poch. Lovren is supposedly refusing to turn up for training unless he gets his transfer, as is Schneiderlain. This would be half our first team gone and at least four of our best players gone in one summer. This suggests to me that the players have no faith in the current board or the new ambitions at the club compared to when Cortese was here. If you read between the lines it is all so obvious and shows how much the players loved Cortese and Poch. I could accept losing Lambert and Shaw but not half of our first team. Lallana was sold far too cheaply, especially as we had to give Bournemouth 25%. Clubs across the country are sensing how unambitious we are as a club and how weak our board are, hence Cardiff bidding for Fonte. I mean really, championship side Cardiff bidding for one of our key first team players. They must be under the impression we're in a crisis or something. Why aren't the top four teams bidding for Baines, Coleman or Barkley of Everton? The simple answer is that the Everton board have made it clear to these teams that no players are for sale. When we do start replacing the players that have left, they will all need to gel as a team, one or two may start saying they're homesick or have an attitude problem like Osvaldo, and most importantly, i'm pretty sure they won't be as good as Lallana, Shaw, Lambert, and possibly Lovren and/or Schneiderlain. Sorry to be so negative but this is my opinion on the current situation and unfortunately I really do fear for next season.
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying[/p][/quote]Please don't worry and please do have some patience. Players departing before new players are brought in is common practice in football. I reckon the Saints board will quite possibly turn out to be a whole lot more astute than some people believe. I think that they will shortly start showing us some quality new signings, which will prove after all that there is still plenty of ambition to take Southampton FC onward and upward. If Katharina had intended to sell the club, selling some of its best players beforehand would obviously have reduced the club's value. It would also have made no sense employing Ronald Koeman, a manager with a trophy winning habit, unlike Mauricio Pochettino so far. There is no mess as you call it at Southampton FC. We already have a higher profile manager and new coaches and it seems that the new signings will soon start happening. Signing players can take a while because contracts involve lawyers and agents. Last season is history. I'm looking forward to next season!!![/p][/quote]Sorry but I cant agree with you there. As much as I want to be positive Liverpool and Man U havnt wasted anytime signing players and they dont have a mass exodus going on! Under Cortese we were a side with ambition and it was there for all to see.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid I don't agree either. Since Cortese left everything has gone downhill. We've already lost Lambert, Lallana and Shaw, as well as Poch. Lovren is supposedly refusing to turn up for training unless he gets his transfer, as is Schneiderlain. This would be half our first team gone and at least four of our best players gone in one summer. This suggests to me that the players have no faith in the current board or the new ambitions at the club compared to when Cortese was here. If you read between the lines it is all so obvious and shows how much the players loved Cortese and Poch. I could accept losing Lambert and Shaw but not half of our first team. Lallana was sold far too cheaply, especially as we had to give Bournemouth 25%. Clubs across the country are sensing how unambitious we are as a club and how weak our board are, hence Cardiff bidding for Fonte. I mean really, championship side Cardiff bidding for one of our key first team players. They must be under the impression we're in a crisis or something. Why aren't the top four teams bidding for Baines, Coleman or Barkley of Everton? The simple answer is that the Everton board have made it clear to these teams that no players are for sale. When we do start replacing the players that have left, they will all need to gel as a team, one or two may start saying they're homesick or have an attitude problem like Osvaldo, and most importantly, i'm pretty sure they won't be as good as Lallana, Shaw, Lambert, and possibly Lovren and/or Schneiderlain. Sorry to be so negative but this is my opinion on the current situation and unfortunately I really do fear for next season. SaintSteve76
  • Score: -8

2:03am Sat 5 Jul 14

PremSaint says...

Just hoping we land Tadic. Liverpool echo comments from the scousers sounds they rate him better than Lala and would have prefered to sign him and save a shed load of cash as well.

Our prize asset is our academy, at least the thieving scousers can nick that!

You have to laugh, Saints fans are optimistic when we were facing relegation and administration but it's doom and gloom when we land a top manager and have over £100m in the kitty.
Just hoping we land Tadic. Liverpool echo comments from the scousers sounds they rate him better than Lala and would have prefered to sign him and save a shed load of cash as well. Our prize asset is our academy, at least the thieving scousers can nick that! You have to laugh, Saints fans are optimistic when we were facing relegation and administration but it's doom and gloom when we land a top manager and have over £100m in the kitty. PremSaint
  • Score: 8

2:37am Sat 5 Jul 14

Georgethepie says...

richard903 wrote:
I trawl the sky web site most days, and re Dejan, the skiverpool fans are saying saints are greedy for asking so much. Like we are surposed to roll over and let them set our prices?? In the past I have followed them in europe or if we were out of a cup, I would cheer them on. But now I have feelings of hate building up, There scout needs a new map with without soton on it. On Jose why has his contract got so low? He has always been solid for us. Is he waiting for Brenda to make a bid? Oh well I like the new shirt
Look on the bright side normally scousers just steal what the want so given on this occasion they are offering money it's a major step forward.
As for being greedy 20million is cheap for a young CB of his talent and he has the added bonus of being free to play all 38 game in the league. Unlike that vile thing with issues that they are currently trying to sell at top dollar Suarez.
As for Jose he's isn't going anywhere it's almost certain he will be first on the team sheet and playing in the PL he's not going to drop down a league when he's in his prime.
[quote][p][bold]richard903[/bold] wrote: I trawl the sky web site most days, and re Dejan, the skiverpool fans are saying saints are greedy for asking so much. Like we are surposed to roll over and let them set our prices?? In the past I have followed them in europe or if we were out of a cup, I would cheer them on. But now I have feelings of hate building up, There scout needs a new map with without soton on it. On Jose why has his contract got so low? He has always been solid for us. Is he waiting for Brenda to make a bid? Oh well I like the new shirt[/p][/quote]Look on the bright side normally scousers just steal what the want so given on this occasion they are offering money it's a major step forward. As for being greedy 20million is cheap for a young CB of his talent and he has the added bonus of being free to play all 38 game in the league. Unlike that vile thing with issues that they are currently trying to sell at top dollar Suarez. As for Jose he's isn't going anywhere it's almost certain he will be first on the team sheet and playing in the PL he's not going to drop down a league when he's in his prime. Georgethepie
  • Score: -1

3:23am Sat 5 Jul 14

SouthLondonSaint says...

Swap for Caulker.....
Swap for Caulker..... SouthLondonSaint
  • Score: 4

3:59am Sat 5 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Dave74 wrote:
'Saints are vulnerable for letting his contract run so far....." Since when has a contract stopped any of out players leaving in the past few weeks? And they had more than a year to run on theirs. If we don't tighten the reigns we will lose more of our talent and end up like QPR or Newcastle with a team of mercenaries in it for the money and bail at the first attractive offer.
Need to get some quality players in to show we mean business.
The only purpose of tightening the reins is to stop 'mercenaries' leaving, and our current problem is that, judging by the number of players wanting to leave, our team last season was mostly a team of mercenaries.
[quote][p][bold]Dave74[/bold] wrote: 'Saints are vulnerable for letting his contract run so far....." Since when has a contract stopped any of out players leaving in the past few weeks? And they had more than a year to run on theirs. If we don't tighten the reigns we will lose more of our talent and end up like QPR or Newcastle with a team of mercenaries in it for the money and bail at the first attractive offer. Need to get some quality players in to show we mean business.[/p][/quote]The only purpose of tightening the reins is to stop 'mercenaries' leaving, and our current problem is that, judging by the number of players wanting to leave, our team last season was mostly a team of mercenaries. Rising_Son
  • Score: 5

4:03am Sat 5 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Golden_Salamander wrote:
Within 6 months of becoming chairman "Wreck It" has managed to turn this club into a complete joke so much so that we are getting joke offers from Championship clubs now for 1st teamers !!!!!
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The contracts for Jose, Jack and JayRod should have been sorted out before the end of last season, but the "clown" has managed to upset most of the 1st team - including promising to discuss contracts at the end of season but instead going on holiday to Canada.

It is almost as if he is deliberately trying to upset the players so that they WANT to go and he can give the money to the Liebherr Trust.
(It is not us trying to ASSET STRIP its those nasty players wanting to go).
The Liebherr Trust was wound up some time ago. I.e. it no longer exists.
[quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: Within 6 months of becoming chairman "Wreck It" has managed to turn this club into a complete joke so much so that we are getting joke offers from Championship clubs now for 1st teamers !!!!! . The contracts for Jose, Jack and JayRod should have been sorted out before the end of last season, but the "clown" has managed to upset most of the 1st team - including promising to discuss contracts at the end of season but instead going on holiday to Canada. It is almost as if he is deliberately trying to upset the players so that they WANT to go and he can give the money to the Liebherr Trust. (It is not us trying to ASSET STRIP its those nasty players wanting to go).[/p][/quote]The Liebherr Trust was wound up some time ago. I.e. it no longer exists. Rising_Son
  • Score: 3

4:07am Sat 5 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

saintbobby wrote:
Fonte's as part if a Caulker deal might be in our interests for all the reasons mentioned above.

But it is the Lovren row that upsets me ost. Not because the player has been good but the non-negotiating skill of this Board/Reed.

Take Lallana. I imagine most would like him to have stayed, but he set his heart on going. Therefore, Saints held the aces as far as Diverpool is concerned. Eventually, we accept a lower fee than we should have got and salt is rubbed in with us having to give The Cherries, not a couple of quid, but hells bells a whopping 25%. Why was there no effort to make Brenda pay that? A hard nose would have got something since they were that keen to sign AL.

So you see what worries me. No savvy, it seems, and we are still pouncing about trying to get the signatures of Pelle and Tadic. I mentioned it elsewhere, but just how long did it take to get Gaston signed?

Really would like to see some spine and a LOT of action.
Erm, Liverpool did pay Bournemouth's 25%. It was part of the money they gave us.
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: Fonte's as part if a Caulker deal might be in our interests for all the reasons mentioned above. But it is the Lovren row that upsets me ost. Not because the player has been good but the non-negotiating skill of this Board/Reed. Take Lallana. I imagine most would like him to have stayed, but he set his heart on going. Therefore, Saints held the aces as far as Diverpool is concerned. Eventually, we accept a lower fee than we should have got and salt is rubbed in with us having to give The Cherries, not a couple of quid, but hells bells a whopping 25%. Why was there no effort to make Brenda pay that? A hard nose would have got something since they were that keen to sign AL. So you see what worries me. No savvy, it seems, and we are still pouncing about trying to get the signatures of Pelle and Tadic. I mentioned it elsewhere, but just how long did it take to get Gaston signed? Really would like to see some spine and a LOT of action.[/p][/quote]Erm, Liverpool did pay Bournemouth's 25%. It was part of the money they gave us. Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

4:39am Sat 5 Jul 14

Wembley76 says...

There is a lot of nonsense being spoken about ambition and the competency of the board. Since when was a player interested in the 'board'....the fact is that Saints 'over-achieved' last season, players were seen in a very positive and flattering light, and the world cup has further enhanced their reputations.....now they are 'making hay'....encouraged by greedy Agents to 'move' to bigger clubs and big 'pay days'...This is not about the board...I am not sure what they could have done differently, we are victims of our own success and a number of events conspiring against us. Remember these are still only young impressionable and rather naïve 'boys' being manipulated by Agents who now have all the 'power' in football....I would challenge any 'board' to have done a better job...in the same way that L'pool and BR will be impotent in being able to hold on to Suarez & Sterling
There is a lot of nonsense being spoken about ambition and the competency of the board. Since when was a player interested in the 'board'....the fact is that Saints 'over-achieved' last season, players were seen in a very positive and flattering light, and the world cup has further enhanced their reputations.....now they are 'making hay'....encouraged by greedy Agents to 'move' to bigger clubs and big 'pay days'...This is not about the board...I am not sure what they could have done differently, we are victims of our own success and a number of events conspiring against us. Remember these are still only young impressionable and rather naïve 'boys' being manipulated by Agents who now have all the 'power' in football....I would challenge any 'board' to have done a better job...in the same way that L'pool and BR will be impotent in being able to hold on to Suarez & Sterling Wembley76
  • Score: 12

7:16am Sat 5 Jul 14

fasteddie49 says...

Chapperall wrote:
I think we are seen as an easy target at the moment. From the outside it looks like we are in a chaotic mess and have lost control of the whole situation with player after player looking for a transfer.
Something needs to change soon and the first thing is that board start getting a grip with the situation as it's them that has got us in this mess no one else.
I am beginning to lose faith with Les Reid completely , I remember seeing him on Sky sports last season gloating about Saints performance, I can't see much gloating now, it's all gone rather quiet !
This mess was caused by the megalomaniac Cortese exceeding his authority. Let's hope they can sort it!
[quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: I think we are seen as an easy target at the moment. From the outside it looks like we are in a chaotic mess and have lost control of the whole situation with player after player looking for a transfer. Something needs to change soon and the first thing is that board start getting a grip with the situation as it's them that has got us in this mess no one else. I am beginning to lose faith with Les Reid completely , I remember seeing him on Sky sports last season gloating about Saints performance, I can't see much gloating now, it's all gone rather quiet ![/p][/quote]This mess was caused by the megalomaniac Cortese exceeding his authority. Let's hope they can sort it! fasteddie49
  • Score: 5

8:26am Sat 5 Jul 14

Saint Jinx says...

pitbull wrote:
I wonder if we had Europa League football this season would the likes of Lovren, Lallana, Shaw and Schneiderlin have given the Saints another season.
I've always thought these players and more, have been poisoned by the previous manager and it was his choice to field an under strength side in the FA Cup.
Could he have been that devious, with the help of the previous chairman, I think so.

It's also good to see the board turning down these offers and playing hardball. If other clubs want to pay well over the odds for our players, thats their fault.

Pelle had apparently missed the Feyenoord Charity Evening so it looks like he might be arriving soon, as does Dusan Tadic.
If we needed 4 players before the departures we could be getting 7 or 8 in.
Really looking forward to the arrivals, as soon as they start arriving the excitement will start to increase.
I think you might be spot on. It makes sense and in a way takes some of the blame away from the board - after all, naivety is not a sin, but deviousness is.
I believe that Cortese MAY be involved out of spite.
[quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: I wonder if we had Europa League football this season would the likes of Lovren, Lallana, Shaw and Schneiderlin have given the Saints another season. I've always thought these players and more, have been poisoned by the previous manager and it was his choice to field an under strength side in the FA Cup. Could he have been that devious, with the help of the previous chairman, I think so. It's also good to see the board turning down these offers and playing hardball. If other clubs want to pay well over the odds for our players, thats their fault. Pelle had apparently missed the Feyenoord Charity Evening so it looks like he might be arriving soon, as does Dusan Tadic. If we needed 4 players before the departures we could be getting 7 or 8 in. Really looking forward to the arrivals, as soon as they start arriving the excitement will start to increase.[/p][/quote]I think you might be spot on. It makes sense and in a way takes some of the blame away from the board - after all, naivety is not a sin, but deviousness is. I believe that Cortese MAY be involved out of spite. Saint Jinx
  • Score: 4

9:07am Sat 5 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

Wembley76 wrote:
There is a lot of nonsense being spoken about ambition and the competency of the board. Since when was a player interested in the 'board'....the fact is that Saints 'over-achieved' last season, players were seen in a very positive and flattering light, and the world cup has further enhanced their reputations.....now they are 'making hay'....encouraged by greedy Agents to 'move' to bigger clubs and big 'pay days'...This is not about the board...I am not sure what they could have done differently, we are victims of our own success and a number of events conspiring against us. Remember these are still only young impressionable and rather naïve 'boys' being manipulated by Agents who now have all the 'power' in football....I would challenge any 'board' to have done a better job...in the same way that L'pool and BR will be impotent in being able to hold on to Suarez & Sterling
I agree. Most of what is happening is out of the boards hands. The WC has turned the heads of a number of players and some of our excellent performances last season have too. Even if we had kept the manager the fact is that most of our top players would have been tempted by mega bucks moves and wages of £100k per week because we simply can't compete or arn't stupid enough to pay those kind of wages. Don't believe all the "fooballer speak" about keeping the manager and then the squad will stay together.It's money they're interested in.The board appears to be screwing the "big" clubs for as much as they can get and beyond that there isn't much they can do except shut these players out and take the associated financial hit. Once these players move away from the togetherness that they had here they will find that the grass is not always greener, especially when they become the bit part players amongst all the big egos. It's such a shame that this potentially fantastic side (with a few additions) has now been broken up but that's life. Let's hope Skiverpool don't pay too much attention to our prospective signings and simply decide to cut out the midde man. Much better to sign them on the cheap, finish above them next season, and then charge them £25 million apiece for our new group of "superstars". It's certainly no coincidence that all the wantaways are world cup players and that there are very few rumours about our equally as good players who didn't go.
[quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: There is a lot of nonsense being spoken about ambition and the competency of the board. Since when was a player interested in the 'board'....the fact is that Saints 'over-achieved' last season, players were seen in a very positive and flattering light, and the world cup has further enhanced their reputations.....now they are 'making hay'....encouraged by greedy Agents to 'move' to bigger clubs and big 'pay days'...This is not about the board...I am not sure what they could have done differently, we are victims of our own success and a number of events conspiring against us. Remember these are still only young impressionable and rather naïve 'boys' being manipulated by Agents who now have all the 'power' in football....I would challenge any 'board' to have done a better job...in the same way that L'pool and BR will be impotent in being able to hold on to Suarez & Sterling[/p][/quote]I agree. Most of what is happening is out of the boards hands. The WC has turned the heads of a number of players and some of our excellent performances last season have too. Even if we had kept the manager the fact is that most of our top players would have been tempted by mega bucks moves and wages of £100k per week because we simply can't compete or arn't stupid enough to pay those kind of wages. Don't believe all the "fooballer speak" about keeping the manager and then the squad will stay together.It's money they're interested in.The board appears to be screwing the "big" clubs for as much as they can get and beyond that there isn't much they can do except shut these players out and take the associated financial hit. Once these players move away from the togetherness that they had here they will find that the grass is not always greener, especially when they become the bit part players amongst all the big egos. It's such a shame that this potentially fantastic side (with a few additions) has now been broken up but that's life. Let's hope Skiverpool don't pay too much attention to our prospective signings and simply decide to cut out the midde man. Much better to sign them on the cheap, finish above them next season, and then charge them £25 million apiece for our new group of "superstars". It's certainly no coincidence that all the wantaways are world cup players and that there are very few rumours about our equally as good players who didn't go. Clever Dick
  • Score: 8

9:08am Sat 5 Jul 14

SnapperSaint says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
andygoater1957 wrote:
Ron most being press con forward from 11th asap to get fans on his side.Then we may be happier as like.we were this morning with the new kit.
Ron know is tomatoes. Fans will get on his head if press con is 11th we happy tomorrow like yesterday and last month but not like last week, I'm a bit uuddled mp, I mean uixed mp.
Ok I want some of what your drinking ..............
I tried Google translate and I'm still none the wiser...
But anyway Andy Goater, I know you mean well and as an avid Saints supporter we salute you!
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andygoater1957[/bold] wrote: Ron most being press con forward from 11th asap to get fans on his side.Then we may be happier as like.we were this morning with the new kit.[/p][/quote]Ron know is tomatoes. Fans will get on his head if press con is 11th we happy tomorrow like yesterday and last month but not like last week, I'm a bit uuddled mp, I mean uixed mp.[/p][/quote]Ok I want some of what your drinking ..............[/p][/quote]I tried Google translate and I'm still none the wiser... But anyway Andy Goater, I know you mean well and as an avid Saints supporter we salute you! SnapperSaint
  • Score: 1

9:41am Sat 5 Jul 14

techsture says...

Planted story to get Osvaldo to come back to Staplewood.
Planted story to get Osvaldo to come back to Staplewood. techsture
  • Score: 1

9:43am Sat 5 Jul 14

NC Fan4Life says...

I would not dismiss it fully because I believe that Steven Caulker at £9m for a future England CB & captain is a bargain.
I would first off Hoover in part exchange if not then Jose may need to be sacrificed, or both if it gets us Caulker !
Players do not show much loyalty so the board MUST do what is in Saints best interest.
We could then sign one of the dutch CB's and have Maya as back up.
I would not dismiss it fully because I believe that Steven Caulker at £9m for a future England CB & captain is a bargain. I would first off Hoover in part exchange if not then Jose may need to be sacrificed, or both if it gets us Caulker ! Players do not show much loyalty so the board MUST do what is in Saints best interest. We could then sign one of the dutch CB's and have Maya as back up. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 1

9:56am Sat 5 Jul 14

Bazultra says...

SaintSteve76 wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying
Please don't worry and please do have some patience. Players departing before new players are brought in is common practice in football. I reckon the Saints board will quite possibly turn out to be a whole lot more astute than some people believe. I think that they will shortly start showing us some quality new signings, which will prove after all that there is still plenty of ambition to take Southampton FC onward and upward.

If Katharina had intended to sell the club, selling some of its best players beforehand would obviously have reduced the club's value. It would also have made no sense employing Ronald Koeman, a manager with a trophy winning habit, unlike Mauricio Pochettino so far.

There is no mess as you call it at Southampton FC. We already have a higher profile manager and new coaches and it seems that the new signings will soon start happening. Signing players can take a while because contracts involve lawyers and agents.

Last season is history. I'm looking forward to next season!!!
Sorry but I cant agree with you there. As much as I want to be positive Liverpool and Man U havnt wasted anytime signing players and they dont have a mass exodus going on! Under Cortese we were a side with ambition and it was there for all to see.
I'm afraid I don't agree either. Since Cortese left everything has gone downhill. We've already lost Lambert, Lallana and Shaw, as well as Poch. Lovren is supposedly refusing to turn up for training unless he gets his transfer, as is Schneiderlain. This would be half our first team gone and at least four of our best players gone in one summer. This suggests to me that the players have no faith in the current board or the new ambitions at the club compared to when Cortese was here. If you read between the lines it is all so obvious and shows how much the players loved Cortese and Poch. I could accept losing Lambert and Shaw but not half of our first team. Lallana was sold far too cheaply, especially as we had to give Bournemouth 25%. Clubs across the country are sensing how unambitious we are as a club and how weak our board are, hence Cardiff bidding for Fonte. I mean really, championship side Cardiff bidding for one of our key first team players. They must be under the impression we're in a crisis or something. Why aren't the top four teams bidding for Baines, Coleman or Barkley of Everton? The simple answer is that the Everton board have made it clear to these teams that no players are for sale. When we do start replacing the players that have left, they will all need to gel as a team, one or two may start saying they're homesick or have an attitude problem like Osvaldo, and most importantly, i'm pretty sure they won't be as good as Lallana, Shaw, Lambert, and possibly Lovren and/or Schneiderlain. Sorry to be so negative but this is my opinion on the current situation and unfortunately I really do fear for next season.
Couldnt agree with you more Steve. I believe the board possibly know what they are doing but its not in the best interest of the club. It could even be worse and they might not know what the are even doing! I would love Cortese to come back. Where was KL the last five years? A smell of a little success and she pokes her nose in and all hell breaks loose. I also fear the season ahead.
[quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying[/p][/quote]Please don't worry and please do have some patience. Players departing before new players are brought in is common practice in football. I reckon the Saints board will quite possibly turn out to be a whole lot more astute than some people believe. I think that they will shortly start showing us some quality new signings, which will prove after all that there is still plenty of ambition to take Southampton FC onward and upward. If Katharina had intended to sell the club, selling some of its best players beforehand would obviously have reduced the club's value. It would also have made no sense employing Ronald Koeman, a manager with a trophy winning habit, unlike Mauricio Pochettino so far. There is no mess as you call it at Southampton FC. We already have a higher profile manager and new coaches and it seems that the new signings will soon start happening. Signing players can take a while because contracts involve lawyers and agents. Last season is history. I'm looking forward to next season!!![/p][/quote]Sorry but I cant agree with you there. As much as I want to be positive Liverpool and Man U havnt wasted anytime signing players and they dont have a mass exodus going on! Under Cortese we were a side with ambition and it was there for all to see.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid I don't agree either. Since Cortese left everything has gone downhill. We've already lost Lambert, Lallana and Shaw, as well as Poch. Lovren is supposedly refusing to turn up for training unless he gets his transfer, as is Schneiderlain. This would be half our first team gone and at least four of our best players gone in one summer. This suggests to me that the players have no faith in the current board or the new ambitions at the club compared to when Cortese was here. If you read between the lines it is all so obvious and shows how much the players loved Cortese and Poch. I could accept losing Lambert and Shaw but not half of our first team. Lallana was sold far too cheaply, especially as we had to give Bournemouth 25%. Clubs across the country are sensing how unambitious we are as a club and how weak our board are, hence Cardiff bidding for Fonte. I mean really, championship side Cardiff bidding for one of our key first team players. They must be under the impression we're in a crisis or something. Why aren't the top four teams bidding for Baines, Coleman or Barkley of Everton? The simple answer is that the Everton board have made it clear to these teams that no players are for sale. When we do start replacing the players that have left, they will all need to gel as a team, one or two may start saying they're homesick or have an attitude problem like Osvaldo, and most importantly, i'm pretty sure they won't be as good as Lallana, Shaw, Lambert, and possibly Lovren and/or Schneiderlain. Sorry to be so negative but this is my opinion on the current situation and unfortunately I really do fear for next season.[/p][/quote]Couldnt agree with you more Steve. I believe the board possibly know what they are doing but its not in the best interest of the club. It could even be worse and they might not know what the are even doing! I would love Cortese to come back. Where was KL the last five years? A smell of a little success and she pokes her nose in and all hell breaks loose. I also fear the season ahead. Bazultra
  • Score: -3

10:01am Sat 5 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fasteddie49 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
I think we are seen as an easy target at the moment. From the outside it looks like we are in a chaotic mess and have lost control of the whole situation with player after player looking for a transfer.
Something needs to change soon and the first thing is that board start getting a grip with the situation as it's them that has got us in this mess no one else.
I am beginning to lose faith with Les Reid completely , I remember seeing him on Sky sports last season gloating about Saints performance, I can't see much gloating now, it's all gone rather quiet !
This mess was caused by the megalomaniac Cortese exceeding his authority. Let's hope they can sort it!
When Rupert Lowe was "in charge" everything went wrong while he was still encumbent,whereas nothing has gone wrong this time,until after Cortese left,yet he is getting the blame for everything?
[quote][p][bold]fasteddie49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: I think we are seen as an easy target at the moment. From the outside it looks like we are in a chaotic mess and have lost control of the whole situation with player after player looking for a transfer. Something needs to change soon and the first thing is that board start getting a grip with the situation as it's them that has got us in this mess no one else. I am beginning to lose faith with Les Reid completely , I remember seeing him on Sky sports last season gloating about Saints performance, I can't see much gloating now, it's all gone rather quiet ![/p][/quote]This mess was caused by the megalomaniac Cortese exceeding his authority. Let's hope they can sort it![/p][/quote]When Rupert Lowe was "in charge" everything went wrong while he was still encumbent,whereas nothing has gone wrong this time,until after Cortese left,yet he is getting the blame for everything? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

10:20am Sat 5 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Certainly in the HAT for the Team Captain's Job - Jose will get better and better with SAINTS.

RK is learning FAST - not a footballing Man - but must play to his STRENGTHS and avoid PERSONALTY ISSUES.
Certainly in the HAT for the Team Captain's Job - Jose will get better and better with SAINTS. RK is learning FAST - not a footballing Man - but must play to his STRENGTHS and avoid PERSONALTY ISSUES. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 0

10:22am Sat 5 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
I would not dismiss it fully because I believe that Steven Caulker at £9m for a future England CB & captain is a bargain. I would first off Hoover in part exchange if not then Jose may need to be sacrificed, or both if it gets us Caulker ! Players do not show much loyalty so the board MUST do what is in Saints best interest. We could then sign one of the dutch CB's and have Maya as back up.
You REALLY ARE a Fan4Life - COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: I would not dismiss it fully because I believe that Steven Caulker at £9m for a future England CB & captain is a bargain. I would first off Hoover in part exchange if not then Jose may need to be sacrificed, or both if it gets us Caulker ! Players do not show much loyalty so the board MUST do what is in Saints best interest. We could then sign one of the dutch CB's and have Maya as back up.[/p][/quote]You REALLY ARE a Fan4Life - COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 0

10:25am Sat 5 Jul 14

NewForestStu says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fasteddie49 wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
I think we are seen as an easy target at the moment. From the outside it looks like we are in a chaotic mess and have lost control of the whole situation with player after player looking for a transfer.
Something needs to change soon and the first thing is that board start getting a grip with the situation as it's them that has got us in this mess no one else.
I am beginning to lose faith with Les Reid completely , I remember seeing him on Sky sports last season gloating about Saints performance, I can't see much gloating now, it's all gone rather quiet !
This mess was caused by the megalomaniac Cortese exceeding his authority. Let's hope they can sort it!
When Rupert Lowe was "in charge" everything went wrong while he was still encumbent,whereas nothing has gone wrong this time,until after Cortese left,yet he is getting the blame for everything?
Of course, according to most on here they are doing all within their powers and its not their fault most of the first teamers want out. God forbid they actually refused to sell say Lala or Shaw.

I really am starting to think that Les sees himself as some sort of master in the art of negotiating sales and fees. I am sorry but i can accept the money we got for Shaw but the whole Lala fee was ludicrous.

I do think the board know exactly what they are doing tho...i.e. cashing in on the talent we had.

So long as we stay in the PL all will be rosy with the hierachy. A dangerous game tho as a bad start to the season could pise a few questions.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fasteddie49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: I think we are seen as an easy target at the moment. From the outside it looks like we are in a chaotic mess and have lost control of the whole situation with player after player looking for a transfer. Something needs to change soon and the first thing is that board start getting a grip with the situation as it's them that has got us in this mess no one else. I am beginning to lose faith with Les Reid completely , I remember seeing him on Sky sports last season gloating about Saints performance, I can't see much gloating now, it's all gone rather quiet ![/p][/quote]This mess was caused by the megalomaniac Cortese exceeding his authority. Let's hope they can sort it![/p][/quote]When Rupert Lowe was "in charge" everything went wrong while he was still encumbent,whereas nothing has gone wrong this time,until after Cortese left,yet he is getting the blame for everything?[/p][/quote]Of course, according to most on here they are doing all within their powers and its not their fault most of the first teamers want out. God forbid they actually refused to sell say Lala or Shaw. I really am starting to think that Les sees himself as some sort of master in the art of negotiating sales and fees. I am sorry but i can accept the money we got for Shaw but the whole Lala fee was ludicrous. I do think the board know exactly what they are doing tho...i.e. cashing in on the talent we had. So long as we stay in the PL all will be rosy with the hierachy. A dangerous game tho as a bad start to the season could pise a few questions. NewForestStu
  • Score: 1

10:30am Sat 5 Jul 14

Wembley76 says...

I am sure that we will reinvest the £100+ m….the issue is whether we have time to rebuild and gel together before the start of the season and the transfer window shuts…5 new players in key positions will take some replacing and we still need to strengthen GK /CB and strikers….Koeman has a real challenge on his hands….at least the start to the season is relatively ‘gentle’ and playing Liverpool will be like a training game with old boys vs new boys …let’s hope we can close on Tadic and Pelle soon…and then make some more shrewd purchases…
Frankly I think the Saints ‘overachieved’ last year and many of the leaving stars are overrated and over-valued….from a business perspective, we are getting great money for them…if we invest well we could be even stronger…would be great if Lpool lose Suarez and Sterling and we outperform them…ha ha…we could have the last laugh
I am sure that we will reinvest the £100+ m….the issue is whether we have time to rebuild and gel together before the start of the season and the transfer window shuts…5 new players in key positions will take some replacing and we still need to strengthen GK /CB and strikers….Koeman has a real challenge on his hands….at least the start to the season is relatively ‘gentle’ and playing Liverpool will be like a training game with old boys vs new boys …let’s hope we can close on Tadic and Pelle soon…and then make some more shrewd purchases… Frankly I think the Saints ‘overachieved’ last year and many of the leaving stars are overrated and over-valued….from a business perspective, we are getting great money for them…if we invest well we could be even stronger…would be great if Lpool lose Suarez and Sterling and we outperform them…ha ha…we could have the last laugh Wembley76
  • Score: 3

10:54am Sat 5 Jul 14

Wembley76 says...

I would like to understand what the board could have done diff'? Other than illegal acts of bribery, threat, kidnapping etc there are few options when someone is determined to 'move'...and when you are earning more than £ 1m per year, money becomes a blunt retention tool...the board cannot provide CL football or change Saints overnight into an elite club with a history such as L'pool or Man U...a few years ago we were in administration and Lge 1!!! We are on a journey but franlly young 'spolied' players have no patience...they want it all and they want it now!!!...especially when they are having their heads turned at the W/cup and by greedy agents who make their money from big transfers...c'mon even Harry Potter would have failed to keep these guys...let's now focus on reinvesting and rebuilding...we may end up even stronger!!
I would like to understand what the board could have done diff'? Other than illegal acts of bribery, threat, kidnapping etc there are few options when someone is determined to 'move'...and when you are earning more than £ 1m per year, money becomes a blunt retention tool...the board cannot provide CL football or change Saints overnight into an elite club with a history such as L'pool or Man U...a few years ago we were in administration and Lge 1!!! We are on a journey but franlly young 'spolied' players have no patience...they want it all and they want it now!!!...especially when they are having their heads turned at the W/cup and by greedy agents who make their money from big transfers...c'mon even Harry Potter would have failed to keep these guys...let's now focus on reinvesting and rebuilding...we may end up even stronger!! Wembley76
  • Score: 1

11:16am Sat 5 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

Bazultra wrote:
SaintSteve76 wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying
Please don't worry and please do have some patience. Players departing before new players are brought in is common practice in football. I reckon the Saints board will quite possibly turn out to be a whole lot more astute than some people believe. I think that they will shortly start showing us some quality new signings, which will prove after all that there is still plenty of ambition to take Southampton FC onward and upward.

If Katharina had intended to sell the club, selling some of its best players beforehand would obviously have reduced the club's value. It would also have made no sense employing Ronald Koeman, a manager with a trophy winning habit, unlike Mauricio Pochettino so far.

There is no mess as you call it at Southampton FC. We already have a higher profile manager and new coaches and it seems that the new signings will soon start happening. Signing players can take a while because contracts involve lawyers and agents.

Last season is history. I'm looking forward to next season!!!
Sorry but I cant agree with you there. As much as I want to be positive Liverpool and Man U havnt wasted anytime signing players and they dont have a mass exodus going on! Under Cortese we were a side with ambition and it was there for all to see.
I'm afraid I don't agree either. Since Cortese left everything has gone downhill. We've already lost Lambert, Lallana and Shaw, as well as Poch. Lovren is supposedly refusing to turn up for training unless he gets his transfer, as is Schneiderlain. This would be half our first team gone and at least four of our best players gone in one summer. This suggests to me that the players have no faith in the current board or the new ambitions at the club compared to when Cortese was here. If you read between the lines it is all so obvious and shows how much the players loved Cortese and Poch. I could accept losing Lambert and Shaw but not half of our first team. Lallana was sold far too cheaply, especially as we had to give Bournemouth 25%. Clubs across the country are sensing how unambitious we are as a club and how weak our board are, hence Cardiff bidding for Fonte. I mean really, championship side Cardiff bidding for one of our key first team players. They must be under the impression we're in a crisis or something. Why aren't the top four teams bidding for Baines, Coleman or Barkley of Everton? The simple answer is that the Everton board have made it clear to these teams that no players are for sale. When we do start replacing the players that have left, they will all need to gel as a team, one or two may start saying they're homesick or have an attitude problem like Osvaldo, and most importantly, i'm pretty sure they won't be as good as Lallana, Shaw, Lambert, and possibly Lovren and/or Schneiderlain. Sorry to be so negative but this is my opinion on the current situation and unfortunately I really do fear for next season.
Couldnt agree with you more Steve. I believe the board possibly know what they are doing but its not in the best interest of the club. It could even be worse and they might not know what the are even doing! I would love Cortese to come back. Where was KL the last five years? A smell of a little success and she pokes her nose in and all hell breaks loose. I also fear the season ahead.
Really. I think she has every right to poke her nose into the way somebody is running a business that SHE OWNS. The problem at the moment is that we are victims of our own success. That is not her fault. Actually and perversely it is NC who is to blame. If we had got together a squad which finished say 15th then nobody would have been interested in our players. And none of them would have gotten into the England squad either. Now that they think they are big time Charlie's it won't be possible to get them to stay, so the board has no choice but to extract the maximum fee and get in good replacements.
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying[/p][/quote]Please don't worry and please do have some patience. Players departing before new players are brought in is common practice in football. I reckon the Saints board will quite possibly turn out to be a whole lot more astute than some people believe. I think that they will shortly start showing us some quality new signings, which will prove after all that there is still plenty of ambition to take Southampton FC onward and upward. If Katharina had intended to sell the club, selling some of its best players beforehand would obviously have reduced the club's value. It would also have made no sense employing Ronald Koeman, a manager with a trophy winning habit, unlike Mauricio Pochettino so far. There is no mess as you call it at Southampton FC. We already have a higher profile manager and new coaches and it seems that the new signings will soon start happening. Signing players can take a while because contracts involve lawyers and agents. Last season is history. I'm looking forward to next season!!![/p][/quote]Sorry but I cant agree with you there. As much as I want to be positive Liverpool and Man U havnt wasted anytime signing players and they dont have a mass exodus going on! Under Cortese we were a side with ambition and it was there for all to see.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid I don't agree either. Since Cortese left everything has gone downhill. We've already lost Lambert, Lallana and Shaw, as well as Poch. Lovren is supposedly refusing to turn up for training unless he gets his transfer, as is Schneiderlain. This would be half our first team gone and at least four of our best players gone in one summer. This suggests to me that the players have no faith in the current board or the new ambitions at the club compared to when Cortese was here. If you read between the lines it is all so obvious and shows how much the players loved Cortese and Poch. I could accept losing Lambert and Shaw but not half of our first team. Lallana was sold far too cheaply, especially as we had to give Bournemouth 25%. Clubs across the country are sensing how unambitious we are as a club and how weak our board are, hence Cardiff bidding for Fonte. I mean really, championship side Cardiff bidding for one of our key first team players. They must be under the impression we're in a crisis or something. Why aren't the top four teams bidding for Baines, Coleman or Barkley of Everton? The simple answer is that the Everton board have made it clear to these teams that no players are for sale. When we do start replacing the players that have left, they will all need to gel as a team, one or two may start saying they're homesick or have an attitude problem like Osvaldo, and most importantly, i'm pretty sure they won't be as good as Lallana, Shaw, Lambert, and possibly Lovren and/or Schneiderlain. Sorry to be so negative but this is my opinion on the current situation and unfortunately I really do fear for next season.[/p][/quote]Couldnt agree with you more Steve. I believe the board possibly know what they are doing but its not in the best interest of the club. It could even be worse and they might not know what the are even doing! I would love Cortese to come back. Where was KL the last five years? A smell of a little success and she pokes her nose in and all hell breaks loose. I also fear the season ahead.[/p][/quote]Really. I think she has every right to poke her nose into the way somebody is running a business that SHE OWNS. The problem at the moment is that we are victims of our own success. That is not her fault. Actually and perversely it is NC who is to blame. If we had got together a squad which finished say 15th then nobody would have been interested in our players. And none of them would have gotten into the England squad either. Now that they think they are big time Charlie's it won't be possible to get them to stay, so the board has no choice but to extract the maximum fee and get in good replacements. Clever Dick
  • Score: 5

2:19pm Sat 5 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying
Please don't worry and please do have some patience. Players departing before new players are brought in is common practice in football. I reckon the Saints board will quite possibly turn out to be a whole lot more astute than some people believe. I think that they will shortly start showing us some quality new signings, which will prove after all that there is still plenty of ambition to take Southampton FC onward and upward.

If Katharina had intended to sell the club, selling some of its best players beforehand would obviously have reduced the club's value. It would also have made no sense employing Ronald Koeman, a manager with a trophy winning habit, unlike Mauricio Pochettino so far.

There is no mess as you call it at Southampton FC. We already have a higher profile manager and new coaches and it seems that the new signings will soon start happening. Signing players can take a while because contracts involve lawyers and agents.

Last season is history. I'm looking forward to next season!!!
But why did they need to fix something that wasn't broken?(till about a month ago.
Because certain players wanted out due to
Cortese's and MoPo's negative influences!?
How can last seasons performance under the pair of them be described as negative? Up to the moment Cortese left there had been nothing but positivity. Someone put the kaibosch on the plan,but I don't think it was NC or MP.
Have you considered the hogwash? rumours that NC made verbal promises of bonus money to players and the Club has opted not to pay them as the promises were worth less than the paper they were printed on?
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: We should be signing top quality players by now not letting more good players leave the club ,sort this mess out before we turn into a total joke of a club,I hope the board are not intending to sell all our prize assists and then sell the club ,this is becoming very worrying[/p][/quote]Please don't worry and please do have some patience. Players departing before new players are brought in is common practice in football. I reckon the Saints board will quite possibly turn out to be a whole lot more astute than some people believe. I think that they will shortly start showing us some quality new signings, which will prove after all that there is still plenty of ambition to take Southampton FC onward and upward. If Katharina had intended to sell the club, selling some of its best players beforehand would obviously have reduced the club's value. It would also have made no sense employing Ronald Koeman, a manager with a trophy winning habit, unlike Mauricio Pochettino so far. There is no mess as you call it at Southampton FC. We already have a higher profile manager and new coaches and it seems that the new signings will soon start happening. Signing players can take a while because contracts involve lawyers and agents. Last season is history. I'm looking forward to next season!!![/p][/quote]But why did they need to fix something that wasn't broken?(till about a month ago.[/p][/quote]Because certain players wanted out due to Cortese's and MoPo's negative influences!?[/p][/quote]How can last seasons performance under the pair of them be described as negative? Up to the moment Cortese left there had been nothing but positivity. Someone put the kaibosch on the plan,but I don't think it was NC or MP.[/p][/quote]Have you considered the hogwash? rumours that NC made verbal promises of bonus money to players and the Club has opted not to pay them as the promises were worth less than the paper they were printed on? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

2:25pm Sat 5 Jul 14

NC Fan4Life says...

If Cardiff want Jose then Les please do a deal for Steven Caulker urgently, it would be a good deal for Saints as Jose value is diminishing.
If Cardiff want Jose then Les please do a deal for Steven Caulker urgently, it would be a good deal for Saints as Jose value is diminishing. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 2

2:48pm Sat 5 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
If Cardiff want Jose then Les please do a deal for Steven Caulker urgently, it would be a good deal for Saints as Jose value is diminishing.
CAULKER IN COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: If Cardiff want Jose then Les please do a deal for Steven Caulker urgently, it would be a good deal for Saints as Jose value is diminishing.[/p][/quote]CAULKER IN COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 0

2:49pm Sat 5 Jul 14

tharg64 says...

Wembley76 wrote:
I would like to understand what the board could have done diff'? Other than illegal acts of bribery, threat, kidnapping etc there are few options when someone is determined to 'move'...and when you are earning more than £ 1m per year, money becomes a blunt retention tool...the board cannot provide CL football or change Saints overnight into an elite club with a history such as L'pool or Man U...a few years ago we were in administration and Lge 1!!! We are on a journey but franlly young 'spolied' players have no patience...they want it all and they want it now!!!...especially when they are having their heads turned at the W/cup and by greedy agents who make their money from big transfers...c'mon even Harry Potter would have failed to keep these guys...let's now focus on reinvesting and rebuilding...we may end up even stronger!!
Couldn't agree with you more.

Without implying anything underhand as been happening, but maybe it would be a good opportunity for an investigative journalist to do a bit of digging to find out the real reason for the mass exodus (maybe by talking to agents; W/Cup squad members from Diverpool / Manure?)

Anyone at the DE up for it?
[quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: I would like to understand what the board could have done diff'? Other than illegal acts of bribery, threat, kidnapping etc there are few options when someone is determined to 'move'...and when you are earning more than £ 1m per year, money becomes a blunt retention tool...the board cannot provide CL football or change Saints overnight into an elite club with a history such as L'pool or Man U...a few years ago we were in administration and Lge 1!!! We are on a journey but franlly young 'spolied' players have no patience...they want it all and they want it now!!!...especially when they are having their heads turned at the W/cup and by greedy agents who make their money from big transfers...c'mon even Harry Potter would have failed to keep these guys...let's now focus on reinvesting and rebuilding...we may end up even stronger!![/p][/quote]Couldn't agree with you more. Without implying anything underhand as been happening, but maybe it would be a good opportunity for an investigative journalist to do a bit of digging to find out the real reason for the mass exodus (maybe by talking to agents; W/Cup squad members from Diverpool / Manure?) Anyone at the DE up for it? tharg64
  • Score: 1

4:56pm Sat 5 Jul 14

saintbobby says...

Rising_Son wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
Fonte's as part if a Caulker deal might be in our interests for all the reasons mentioned above.

But it is the Lovren row that upsets me ost. Not because the player has been good but the non-negotiating skill of this Board/Reed.

Take Lallana. I imagine most would like him to have stayed, but he set his heart on going. Therefore, Saints held the aces as far as Diverpool is concerned. Eventually, we accept a lower fee than we should have got and salt is rubbed in with us having to give The Cherries, not a couple of quid, but hells bells a whopping 25%. Why was there no effort to make Brenda pay that? A hard nose would have got something since they were that keen to sign AL.

So you see what worries me. No savvy, it seems, and we are still pouncing about trying to get the signatures of Pelle and Tadic. I mentioned it elsewhere, but just how long did it take to get Gaston signed?

Really would like to see some spine and a LOT of action.
Erm, Liverpool did pay Bournemouth's 25%. It was part of the money they gave us.
Not sure . I thought everyone has been saying we had to pay 25% to the Cherries and we have done just that. OK, it isthe money Liverpool paid us, then we moved it on.

I am saying that 25%, about £6million should have been sent direct and Saints should have got all the £23 million. And I bet no one tried to get that agreement. Might not have worked but did we try!

The players sold did go rather easily, don't you agree?
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: Fonte's as part if a Caulker deal might be in our interests for all the reasons mentioned above. But it is the Lovren row that upsets me ost. Not because the player has been good but the non-negotiating skill of this Board/Reed. Take Lallana. I imagine most would like him to have stayed, but he set his heart on going. Therefore, Saints held the aces as far as Diverpool is concerned. Eventually, we accept a lower fee than we should have got and salt is rubbed in with us having to give The Cherries, not a couple of quid, but hells bells a whopping 25%. Why was there no effort to make Brenda pay that? A hard nose would have got something since they were that keen to sign AL. So you see what worries me. No savvy, it seems, and we are still pouncing about trying to get the signatures of Pelle and Tadic. I mentioned it elsewhere, but just how long did it take to get Gaston signed? Really would like to see some spine and a LOT of action.[/p][/quote]Erm, Liverpool did pay Bournemouth's 25%. It was part of the money they gave us.[/p][/quote]Not sure . I thought everyone has been saying we had to pay 25% to the Cherries and we have done just that. OK, it isthe money Liverpool paid us, then we moved it on. I am saying that 25%, about £6million should have been sent direct and Saints should have got all the £23 million. And I bet no one tried to get that agreement. Might not have worked but did we try! The players sold did go rather easily, don't you agree? saintbobby
  • Score: -1

6:44am Sun 6 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

saintbobby wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
Fonte's as part if a Caulker deal might be in our interests for all the reasons mentioned above.

But it is the Lovren row that upsets me ost. Not because the player has been good but the non-negotiating skill of this Board/Reed.

Take Lallana. I imagine most would like him to have stayed, but he set his heart on going. Therefore, Saints held the aces as far as Diverpool is concerned. Eventually, we accept a lower fee than we should have got and salt is rubbed in with us having to give The Cherries, not a couple of quid, but hells bells a whopping 25%. Why was there no effort to make Brenda pay that? A hard nose would have got something since they were that keen to sign AL.

So you see what worries me. No savvy, it seems, and we are still pouncing about trying to get the signatures of Pelle and Tadic. I mentioned it elsewhere, but just how long did it take to get Gaston signed?

Really would like to see some spine and a LOT of action.
Erm, Liverpool did pay Bournemouth's 25%. It was part of the money they gave us.
Not sure . I thought everyone has been saying we had to pay 25% to the Cherries and we have done just that. OK, it isthe money Liverpool paid us, then we moved it on.

I am saying that 25%, about £6million should have been sent direct and Saints should have got all the £23 million. And I bet no one tried to get that agreement. Might not have worked but did we try!

The players sold did go rather easily, don't you agree?
As far as I understand it, the agreement was between Saints and Bournemouth. Saints were therefore legally obliged to pay Bournemouth. I am sure we tried to get as much money as possible from Liverpool.

It seems Lallana wanted to go to Liverpool, so he probably went very easily.
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: Fonte's as part if a Caulker deal might be in our interests for all the reasons mentioned above. But it is the Lovren row that upsets me ost. Not because the player has been good but the non-negotiating skill of this Board/Reed. Take Lallana. I imagine most would like him to have stayed, but he set his heart on going. Therefore, Saints held the aces as far as Diverpool is concerned. Eventually, we accept a lower fee than we should have got and salt is rubbed in with us having to give The Cherries, not a couple of quid, but hells bells a whopping 25%. Why was there no effort to make Brenda pay that? A hard nose would have got something since they were that keen to sign AL. So you see what worries me. No savvy, it seems, and we are still pouncing about trying to get the signatures of Pelle and Tadic. I mentioned it elsewhere, but just how long did it take to get Gaston signed? Really would like to see some spine and a LOT of action.[/p][/quote]Erm, Liverpool did pay Bournemouth's 25%. It was part of the money they gave us.[/p][/quote]Not sure . I thought everyone has been saying we had to pay 25% to the Cherries and we have done just that. OK, it isthe money Liverpool paid us, then we moved it on. I am saying that 25%, about £6million should have been sent direct and Saints should have got all the £23 million. And I bet no one tried to get that agreement. Might not have worked but did we try! The players sold did go rather easily, don't you agree?[/p][/quote]As far as I understand it, the agreement was between Saints and Bournemouth. Saints were therefore legally obliged to pay Bournemouth. I am sure we tried to get as much money as possible from Liverpool. It seems Lallana wanted to go to Liverpool, so he probably went very easily. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

8:01am Sun 6 Jul 14

saintbobby says...

Rising_Son wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
Fonte's as part if a Caulker deal might be in our interests for all the reasons mentioned above.

But it is the Lovren row that upsets me ost. Not because the player has been good but the non-negotiating skill of this Board/Reed.

Take Lallana. I imagine most would like him to have stayed, but he set his heart on going. Therefore, Saints held the aces as far as Diverpool is concerned. Eventually, we accept a lower fee than we should have got and salt is rubbed in with us having to give The Cherries, not a couple of quid, but hells bells a whopping 25%. Why was there no effort to make Brenda pay that? A hard nose would have got something since they were that keen to sign AL.

So you see what worries me. No savvy, it seems, and we are still pouncing about trying to get the signatures of Pelle and Tadic. I mentioned it elsewhere, but just how long did it take to get Gaston signed?

Really would like to see some spine and a LOT of action.
Erm, Liverpool did pay Bournemouth's 25%. It was part of the money they gave us.
Not sure . I thought everyone has been saying we had to pay 25% to the Cherries and we have done just that. OK, it isthe money Liverpool paid us, then we moved it on.

I am saying that 25%, about £6million should have been sent direct and Saints should have got all the £23 million. And I bet no one tried to get that agreement. Might not have worked but did we try!

The players sold did go rather easily, don't you agree?
As far as I understand it, the agreement was between Saints and Bournemouth. Saints were therefore legally obliged to pay Bournemouth. I am sure we tried to get as much money as possible from Liverpool.

It seems Lallana wanted to go to Liverpool, so he probably went very easily.
Yep, I get that. What I trying to get across is that we only got about £17 million in our coffers. If Liverpool wanted AL that much we should have told them it is £23 million PLUS £6 million for the Cherries, that is £29 million.

We would never have got that, but in the circumstances all I am saying is that £23 million was NOT enough.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: Fonte's as part if a Caulker deal might be in our interests for all the reasons mentioned above. But it is the Lovren row that upsets me ost. Not because the player has been good but the non-negotiating skill of this Board/Reed. Take Lallana. I imagine most would like him to have stayed, but he set his heart on going. Therefore, Saints held the aces as far as Diverpool is concerned. Eventually, we accept a lower fee than we should have got and salt is rubbed in with us having to give The Cherries, not a couple of quid, but hells bells a whopping 25%. Why was there no effort to make Brenda pay that? A hard nose would have got something since they were that keen to sign AL. So you see what worries me. No savvy, it seems, and we are still pouncing about trying to get the signatures of Pelle and Tadic. I mentioned it elsewhere, but just how long did it take to get Gaston signed? Really would like to see some spine and a LOT of action.[/p][/quote]Erm, Liverpool did pay Bournemouth's 25%. It was part of the money they gave us.[/p][/quote]Not sure . I thought everyone has been saying we had to pay 25% to the Cherries and we have done just that. OK, it isthe money Liverpool paid us, then we moved it on. I am saying that 25%, about £6million should have been sent direct and Saints should have got all the £23 million. And I bet no one tried to get that agreement. Might not have worked but did we try! The players sold did go rather easily, don't you agree?[/p][/quote]As far as I understand it, the agreement was between Saints and Bournemouth. Saints were therefore legally obliged to pay Bournemouth. I am sure we tried to get as much money as possible from Liverpool. It seems Lallana wanted to go to Liverpool, so he probably went very easily.[/p][/quote]Yep, I get that. What I trying to get across is that we only got about £17 million in our coffers. If Liverpool wanted AL that much we should have told them it is £23 million PLUS £6 million for the Cherries, that is £29 million. We would never have got that, but in the circumstances all I am saying is that £23 million was NOT enough. saintbobby
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9:48am Sun 6 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

saintbobby wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
Fonte's as part if a Caulker deal might be in our interests for all the reasons mentioned above.

But it is the Lovren row that upsets me ost. Not because the player has been good but the non-negotiating skill of this Board/Reed.

Take Lallana. I imagine most would like him to have stayed, but he set his heart on going. Therefore, Saints held the aces as far as Diverpool is concerned. Eventually, we accept a lower fee than we should have got and salt is rubbed in with us having to give The Cherries, not a couple of quid, but hells bells a whopping 25%. Why was there no effort to make Brenda pay that? A hard nose would have got something since they were that keen to sign AL.

So you see what worries me. No savvy, it seems, and we are still pouncing about trying to get the signatures of Pelle and Tadic. I mentioned it elsewhere, but just how long did it take to get Gaston signed?

Really would like to see some spine and a LOT of action.
Erm, Liverpool did pay Bournemouth's 25%. It was part of the money they gave us.
Not sure . I thought everyone has been saying we had to pay 25% to the Cherries and we have done just that. OK, it isthe money Liverpool paid us, then we moved it on.

I am saying that 25%, about £6million should have been sent direct and Saints should have got all the £23 million. And I bet no one tried to get that agreement. Might not have worked but did we try!

The players sold did go rather easily, don't you agree?
As far as I understand it, the agreement was between Saints and Bournemouth. Saints were therefore legally obliged to pay Bournemouth. I am sure we tried to get as much money as possible from Liverpool.

It seems Lallana wanted to go to Liverpool, so he probably went very easily.
Yep, I get that. What I trying to get across is that we only got about £17 million in our coffers. If Liverpool wanted AL that much we should have told them it is £23 million PLUS £6 million for the Cherries, that is £29 million.

We would never have got that, but in the circumstances all I am saying is that £23 million was NOT enough.
I don't disagree with that, but perhaps it was the best we could do. Who knows?
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: Fonte's as part if a Caulker deal might be in our interests for all the reasons mentioned above. But it is the Lovren row that upsets me ost. Not because the player has been good but the non-negotiating skill of this Board/Reed. Take Lallana. I imagine most would like him to have stayed, but he set his heart on going. Therefore, Saints held the aces as far as Diverpool is concerned. Eventually, we accept a lower fee than we should have got and salt is rubbed in with us having to give The Cherries, not a couple of quid, but hells bells a whopping 25%. Why was there no effort to make Brenda pay that? A hard nose would have got something since they were that keen to sign AL. So you see what worries me. No savvy, it seems, and we are still pouncing about trying to get the signatures of Pelle and Tadic. I mentioned it elsewhere, but just how long did it take to get Gaston signed? Really would like to see some spine and a LOT of action.[/p][/quote]Erm, Liverpool did pay Bournemouth's 25%. It was part of the money they gave us.[/p][/quote]Not sure . I thought everyone has been saying we had to pay 25% to the Cherries and we have done just that. OK, it isthe money Liverpool paid us, then we moved it on. I am saying that 25%, about £6million should have been sent direct and Saints should have got all the £23 million. And I bet no one tried to get that agreement. Might not have worked but did we try! The players sold did go rather easily, don't you agree?[/p][/quote]As far as I understand it, the agreement was between Saints and Bournemouth. Saints were therefore legally obliged to pay Bournemouth. I am sure we tried to get as much money as possible from Liverpool. It seems Lallana wanted to go to Liverpool, so he probably went very easily.[/p][/quote]Yep, I get that. What I trying to get across is that we only got about £17 million in our coffers. If Liverpool wanted AL that much we should have told them it is £23 million PLUS £6 million for the Cherries, that is £29 million. We would never have got that, but in the circumstances all I am saying is that £23 million was NOT enough.[/p][/quote]I don't disagree with that, but perhaps it was the best we could do. Who knows? Rising_Son
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9:51am Sun 6 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Saintbobby, Probably there was no one else interested in Lallana to spark a bidding war, so the price wouldn't go higher. Also, depending on what happens next year, we may actually start to think we got more than he's worth.
Saintbobby, Probably there was no one else interested in Lallana to spark a bidding war, so the price wouldn't go higher. Also, depending on what happens next year, we may actually start to think we got more than he's worth. Rising_Son
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