Saints team-mates face head-to-head

Adam Lallana

Adam Lallana

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Saints teammates Adam Lallana and Gastón Ramírez could face a historic head-to-head tonight as England take on Uruguay in a crunch World Cup match.

The countries will meet in São Paulo this evening, with both playing catch-up in Group D, after each lost their opening fixture.

Uruguay were stunned 3-1 by unfancied Costa Rica, while England were edged 2-1 by Italy.

Both Lallana and Ramírez were substitutes in the opening round of matches, with only the Saints captain making a late cameo.

They will each hope to play a bigger part tonight and, if they both get on, it will be the first time that two players from the club have ever faced each other at a World Cup.

Defeat for either side could spell elimination, depending on the result when the group’s other two teams meet tomorrow, while a draw against Uruguay would still give England hope of advancing.

But Lallana says it is “all or nothing” time for Roy Hodgson’s men.

“It’s massive for us,” said the midfielder.

“We have to go all-out, but we know we need the win and we’re confident.

“There were signs the other night that we’re close and the lads know that it’s all or nothing really.

“We’ve got great confidence in the camp and I’m certainly confident that we’re going to get the win.

“We knew from the start that we’d be in a tough group and the Uruguayans are a tough team, but we’re a strong team and we’ve got a great group of players.

“With just a few tweaks we can get this result.”

Those adaptations were worked on during a closed training session at England’s Rio de Janeiro training base on Tuesday.

It appears they will see Wayne Rooney return to his favoured number-ten role, with Danny Welbeck playing on the left and Raheem Sterling wide right.

“Roy’s had a day with the whole squad, working on a few things that he wanted to get across to the group, but, as I said, there were positive signs,” said Lallana.

“We know we need to improve on the result, definitely, and on the performance if we can.

“If our performance is up there like it was the other night, and if we maybe work defensively on a couple of issues, then we’re certainly confident of getting the three points.”

Lallana is, in fact, so confident that he believes England will actually soon dish out a thrashing to one of the world’s best sides.

“People have been talking about our creative play, but I think it’s maybe about that final pass, final cross or final finish,” said the Saints captain.

“You can see that it’s there, but it’s just about getting it over the line.

“One of these days, we’re going to put three or four past a top team.

“I see it in training, I see it in games, we just need that rub of the green and extra bit of confidence and then I think we will get that result.”

If England lose today, they would need Italy to beat Costa Rica in order to keep alive their hopes of reaching the knockout stages

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6:29am Thu 19 Jun 14

Sammy2sheds says...

C'mon Roy give Adam a start
And we should sell gaston!!
C'mon Roy give Adam a start And we should sell gaston!! Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 12

6:41am Thu 19 Jun 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Hope they both start but looks like both may only be subs, still as long as they keep fit.
Good luck Adam, big game as one of you two may only have one game after tonight.
Hope they both start but looks like both may only be subs, still as long as they keep fit. Good luck Adam, big game as one of you two may only have one game after tonight. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 8

7:14am Thu 19 Jun 14

NewForestStu says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
C'mon Roy give Adam a start And we should sell gaston!!
Makes sense....get rid of Gaston just when Lalla could be heading out of the door....how about we try and offload Ossie to the Tiny Totts.....they are the only club to tonk silly money on shxt players.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: C'mon Roy give Adam a start And we should sell gaston!![/p][/quote]Makes sense....get rid of Gaston just when Lalla could be heading out of the door....how about we try and offload Ossie to the Tiny Totts.....they are the only club to tonk silly money on shxt players. NewForestStu
  • Score: 3

7:26am Thu 19 Jun 14

saint christopher says...

Shame that when it's come to the real matches we are once more seeing players picked largely on their clubs and past reputation. Don't think we'll ever see Shaw or Lambert unless there's an injury or we're 2-0 up with 5 minutes to play, and even Lallana is now only deemed worthy to come on the last 10 minutes to give the main players a rest..

Wellbeck and Henderson better than Lallana? I don't think so. Johnson better than Clyne? Ha ha ha ha!!! And as for "he deserves to play because he got us to Brazil" and "other countries wouldn't leave out Neymar, Ronaldo etc" Mr Wayne Rooney - don't get me started.

Sincerely hope he gets a hat trick tonight but just as likely to see a reckless challenge and red card after 60 minutes of ever-increasing frustration. Good club player but world class? Media and fellow players are having a laugh surely. His obscene £300k a week of course doesn't help, further alienating all but the most rabid ManU supporter.

Tonight could go either way as Sourez on one leg with his eyes shut will cause our defense all sorts of problems. If we don't get the early goal (or 2 or 3) we could all be sporting very short fingers by tomorrow.

Anyway - whatever happens us Saints fans can still look forward to the new season with greater optimism and anticipation than any of us thought possible a month or so ago. Forget Rooney, we have RoKo.
Shame that when it's come to the real matches we are once more seeing players picked largely on their clubs and past reputation. Don't think we'll ever see Shaw or Lambert unless there's an injury or we're 2-0 up with 5 minutes to play, and even Lallana is now only deemed worthy to come on the last 10 minutes to give the main players a rest.. Wellbeck and Henderson better than Lallana? I don't think so. Johnson better than Clyne? Ha ha ha ha!!! And as for "he deserves to play because he got us to Brazil" and "other countries wouldn't leave out Neymar, Ronaldo etc" Mr Wayne Rooney - don't get me started. Sincerely hope he gets a hat trick tonight but just as likely to see a reckless challenge and red card after 60 minutes of ever-increasing frustration. Good club player but world class? Media and fellow players are having a laugh surely. His obscene £300k a week of course doesn't help, further alienating all but the most rabid ManU supporter. Tonight could go either way as Sourez on one leg with his eyes shut will cause our defense all sorts of problems. If we don't get the early goal (or 2 or 3) we could all be sporting very short fingers by tomorrow. Anyway - whatever happens us Saints fans can still look forward to the new season with greater optimism and anticipation than any of us thought possible a month or so ago. Forget Rooney, we have RoKo. saint christopher
  • Score: 37

7:36am Thu 19 Jun 14

redandy10 says...

The Koeman appointment was probably the best person we could have got to be manager. Coming from Holland where they place a lot of emphasis on running Academy's properly fits nicely with our club ethos. And unlike Les Reed he has an IMPRESSIVE CV. Given the right war chest he could do well here. We threw way the best opportunity we'll ever have and that's a FACT!!!

More importantly his appointment will HOPEFULLY stop the domino effect. I've given up on Luke & Adam,and I don't believe that they have treated the club at all well considering that we moulded them into the players they are. And HOPEFULLY Lovren will withdraw his request, if he leaves it will harm us most. I know it's the REALITY of modern football, but Luke asking to leave on the final day of the season really demonstrates the class of the modern footballer. Rickie, God bless him, I'm genuinely happy for, he was the driving force behind our successive promotions and he's paid his due. Adam & Luke have jumped at the first opportunity!!!

Loved Poch when he was here but I won't feel sorry for him if he doesn't make a go of it at Spurs. NC leaving probably played the biggest role in him doing the offski, but leaving for the likes of Tottenham is a slap in the face, for a club which treated him well.
The Koeman appointment was probably the best person we could have got to be manager. Coming from Holland where they place a lot of emphasis on running Academy's properly fits nicely with our club ethos. And unlike Les Reed he has an IMPRESSIVE CV. Given the right war chest he could do well here. We threw way the best opportunity we'll ever have and that's a FACT!!! More importantly his appointment will HOPEFULLY stop the domino effect. I've given up on Luke & Adam,and I don't believe that they have treated the club at all well considering that we moulded them into the players they are. And HOPEFULLY Lovren will withdraw his request, if he leaves it will harm us most. I know it's the REALITY of modern football, but Luke asking to leave on the final day of the season really demonstrates the class of the modern footballer. Rickie, God bless him, I'm genuinely happy for, he was the driving force behind our successive promotions and he's paid his due. Adam & Luke have jumped at the first opportunity!!! Loved Poch when he was here but I won't feel sorry for him if he doesn't make a go of it at Spurs. NC leaving probably played the biggest role in him doing the offski, but leaving for the likes of Tottenham is a slap in the face, for a club which treated him well. redandy10
  • Score: 30

7:38am Thu 19 Jun 14

Southampton boy says...

Can't see thi happng tonigtht as Roy will go with the last team selection!

Hoping for a win
Can't see thi happng tonigtht as Roy will go with the last team selection! Hoping for a win Southampton boy
  • Score: 9

8:34am Thu 19 Jun 14

jls217 says...

NewForestStu wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
C'mon Roy give Adam a start And we should sell gaston!!
Makes sense....get rid of Gaston just when Lalla could be heading out of the door....how about we try and offload Ossie to the Tiny Totts.....they are the only club to tonk silly money on shxt players.
New Forest ignore the little **** he's just trying to illicit a response. Ignore everything he posts. A lonely little boy stuck out in the arse end of nowhere with no mates (unsurprisingly) and a character defect through inbreeding no doubt and he's decided to come on here and be a silly little character defect probably on other forums doing exactly the same too.
[quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: C'mon Roy give Adam a start And we should sell gaston!![/p][/quote]Makes sense....get rid of Gaston just when Lalla could be heading out of the door....how about we try and offload Ossie to the Tiny Totts.....they are the only club to tonk silly money on shxt players.[/p][/quote]New Forest ignore the little **** he's just trying to illicit a response. Ignore everything he posts. A lonely little boy stuck out in the arse end of nowhere with no mates (unsurprisingly) and a character defect through inbreeding no doubt and he's decided to come on here and be a silly little character defect probably on other forums doing exactly the same too. jls217
  • Score: 5

9:15am Thu 19 Jun 14

St Mark says...

I work at the University of Bath where most will know we have an outpost of our Youth Academy (life-size cardboard cut out of Bale in Saints regalia every time I go and change to play 7 a side!). We have our open day today and I have just looked at the information we are supposed to use to 'sell' the Uni to prospective students and parents. One bit says that opportunities here include 'training the future stars of Liverpool Football Club'! So it is all planned in advance then?!
I work at the University of Bath where most will know we have an outpost of our Youth Academy (life-size cardboard cut out of Bale in Saints regalia every time I go and change to play 7 a side!). We have our open day today and I have just looked at the information we are supposed to use to 'sell' the Uni to prospective students and parents. One bit says that opportunities here include 'training the future stars of Liverpool Football Club'! So it is all planned in advance then?! St Mark
  • Score: 4

9:38am Thu 19 Jun 14

mustique says...

When will these players realise they will spend half their time sitting on the bench?Liverpool have players already playing for England in his position.
Shaw is still learning and success has gone to his head.
They are being driven by Agents. They should both listen to their parents who I am sure will advise them to stay another year at Southampton
When will these players realise they will spend half their time sitting on the bench?Liverpool have players already playing for England in his position. Shaw is still learning and success has gone to his head. They are being driven by Agents. They should both listen to their parents who I am sure will advise them to stay another year at Southampton mustique
  • Score: 15

10:09am Thu 19 Jun 14

Jesus_02 says...

Small piece on the BBC website quotes Lallana saying that he is disapointed with Poch going as he made him the player he is.

However more importantly it says he is looking forward to meeting RK.

A step in the correct direction I think
Small piece on the BBC website quotes Lallana saying that he is disapointed with Poch going as he made him the player he is. However more importantly it says he is looking forward to meeting RK. A step in the correct direction I think Jesus_02
  • Score: 11

10:25am Thu 19 Jun 14

Sammy2sheds says...

jls217 wrote:
NewForestStu wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
C'mon Roy give Adam a start And we should sell gaston!!
Makes sense....get rid of Gaston just when Lalla could be heading out of the door....how about we try and offload Ossie to the Tiny Totts.....they are the only club to tonk silly money on shxt players.
New Forest ignore the little **** he's just trying to illicit a response. Ignore everything he posts. A lonely little boy stuck out in the arse end of nowhere with no mates (unsurprisingly) and a character defect through inbreeding no doubt and he's decided to come on here and be a silly little character defect probably on other forums doing exactly the same too.
C'mon jls stop being a div kid and get on the bus!! We are Ronnie's red and white army!!!
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: C'mon Roy give Adam a start And we should sell gaston!![/p][/quote]Makes sense....get rid of Gaston just when Lalla could be heading out of the door....how about we try and offload Ossie to the Tiny Totts.....they are the only club to tonk silly money on shxt players.[/p][/quote]New Forest ignore the little **** he's just trying to illicit a response. Ignore everything he posts. A lonely little boy stuck out in the arse end of nowhere with no mates (unsurprisingly) and a character defect through inbreeding no doubt and he's decided to come on here and be a silly little character defect probably on other forums doing exactly the same too.[/p][/quote]C'mon jls stop being a div kid and get on the bus!! We are Ronnie's red and white army!!! Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -45

10:39am Thu 19 Jun 14

JohnItaly says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
Small piece on the BBC website quotes Lallana saying that he is disapointed with Poch going as he made him the player he is.

However more importantly it says he is looking forward to meeting RK.

A step in the correct direction I think
"Poch made him the player he is". So all those years Lallana in the Academy had nothing to do with it.?
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: Small piece on the BBC website quotes Lallana saying that he is disapointed with Poch going as he made him the player he is. However more importantly it says he is looking forward to meeting RK. A step in the correct direction I think[/p][/quote]"Poch made him the player he is". So all those years Lallana in the Academy had nothing to do with it.? JohnItaly
  • Score: 18

10:40am Thu 19 Jun 14

Confucious says...

I've long been an admirer of Adam - appreciating in particular his left and right foot capability, superb passing prowess, high energy, total unpredictability, uncanny cross field vision and stunning coolness in the box. On the other hand I've thought Gaston somewhat disappointing - overly left footed, prone to mis-passing, low on energy, predictable, lacking in vision and panicky in the box.

In recent weeks, however, I've come to think Adam is somewhat disappointing - overly left footed, prone to mis-passing, low on energy, predictable, lacking in vision and panicky in the box. Gaston, on the other hand, has suddenly shown great left and right foot capability, superb passing prowess, high energy, total unpredictability, uncanny cross field vision and stunning coolness in the box.

It's not often that I change my views on players in such a short period of time, but sometimes their performances are such that it's inescapable. Besides that it is the clear view of both of the two football analysts I most admire ie: me and Walter Watson.

I also suspect Rickie and Luke may not get on tonight - assuming Roy has also spotted some of the flaws which have suddenly and inexplicably come into their games over recent weeks.
I've long been an admirer of Adam - appreciating in particular his left and right foot capability, superb passing prowess, high energy, total unpredictability, uncanny cross field vision and stunning coolness in the box. On the other hand I've thought Gaston somewhat disappointing - overly left footed, prone to mis-passing, low on energy, predictable, lacking in vision and panicky in the box. In recent weeks, however, I've come to think Adam is somewhat disappointing - overly left footed, prone to mis-passing, low on energy, predictable, lacking in vision and panicky in the box. Gaston, on the other hand, has suddenly shown great left and right foot capability, superb passing prowess, high energy, total unpredictability, uncanny cross field vision and stunning coolness in the box. It's not often that I change my views on players in such a short period of time, but sometimes their performances are such that it's inescapable. Besides that it is the clear view of both of the two football analysts I most admire ie: me and Walter Watson. I also suspect Rickie and Luke may not get on tonight - assuming Roy has also spotted some of the flaws which have suddenly and inexplicably come into their games over recent weeks. Confucious
  • Score: 12

10:56am Thu 19 Jun 14

SaintChris46 says...

At least by the end of tonight we will probably be a hell of a lot closer to resolving the AL and LS issues. Back home by next weekend and hopefully we can then find out the truth behind their "wanting to play Champions League football". After all, there have been no direct quotes from either, only press speculation. Also, has anyone actually confirmed officially that Lovren has handed in a transfer request? To do so on the eve of his game against Brazil seemed a bit strange to me, surely that would have been the last thing on his mind?
BTW, I DO want England to progress, but all the time Rooney is in the team, its like playing with ten men.
At least by the end of tonight we will probably be a hell of a lot closer to resolving the AL and LS issues. Back home by next weekend and hopefully we can then find out the truth behind their "wanting to play Champions League football". After all, there have been no direct quotes from either, only press speculation. Also, has anyone actually confirmed officially that Lovren has handed in a transfer request? To do so on the eve of his game against Brazil seemed a bit strange to me, surely that would have been the last thing on his mind? BTW, I DO want England to progress, but all the time Rooney is in the team, its like playing with ten men. SaintChris46
  • Score: 7

11:24am Thu 19 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

The Saints players are only saying they are interested in diverpool so that Steeviee Geee will pass to them
The Saints players are only saying they are interested in diverpool so that Steeviee Geee will pass to them Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 8

11:26am Thu 19 Jun 14

saint phil says...

I am more intrested in are new strip
I am more intrested in are new strip saint phil
  • Score: 7

11:32am Thu 19 Jun 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Good luck to all our players tonight (except Gaston, but just for tonight), I hope Roy sees sense and plays you. I doubt he will though and I cant be the only one who doesn't understand why he would play lalla in the warm up games and then not in the important games. I hope Rickie gets some game time as well as I still see him as a saint, well until the end of the world cup anyway. Lalla needs more time on the pitch than he got in the last game to affect the result, so come on Roy do the right thing not what the media want/tell you to do.
It was nice to see lalla talking about having a chat with koeman and yet again not mention anything about wanting out. Luke should play instead of Baines as he has shown he is the better player, again talk of him asking to leave is completely wrong and what he said whilst being drunk at the end of season do has been taken out of context and twisted by those who want it to be true, IE the media. Some saints fans have believed what was written by the gutter press and have said some rather nasty things about him, I think they should do a bit of real research about what he said before slating him. I don't know if the club will want to sell him and lalla or not, thats for the club and manager to decide, what I do know is they are great young players and we need to do all we can to keep them
Well done to Dejan last night aother solid performance and this time you didn't have a dodgy ref giving carp penalties against you. hope Croatia make it through the group so you can have at least 2 more games there. I also hope that the stories about him denying the transfer request are true, though as the person who broke the 'story' that he did was Ashton I doubt he did anyway. Ashton breaks this story, which the rest of the media jump on, yet he did not, and still hasn't, provided any evidence or quotes from anyone that says he did! Still with guly and Fox gone I suppose some fans need some new players to blame for everything, so step up Luke, lalla and Dejan!


Come on England we have to win tonight, so lets hope Roy has learned a thing or 2 from the Italy game and decides not to take off a forward and replace him with Wilshire, no replace him with SRL he wont let his country down!
Good luck to all our players tonight (except Gaston, but just for tonight), I hope Roy sees sense and plays you. I doubt he will though and I cant be the only one who doesn't understand why he would play lalla in the warm up games and then not in the important games. I hope Rickie gets some game time as well as I still see him as a saint, well until the end of the world cup anyway. Lalla needs more time on the pitch than he got in the last game to affect the result, so come on Roy do the right thing not what the media want/tell you to do. It was nice to see lalla talking about having a chat with koeman and yet again not mention anything about wanting out. Luke should play instead of Baines as he has shown he is the better player, again talk of him asking to leave is completely wrong and what he said whilst being drunk at the end of season do has been taken out of context and twisted by those who want it to be true, IE the media. Some saints fans have believed what was written by the gutter press and have said some rather nasty things about him, I think they should do a bit of real research about what he said before slating him. I don't know if the club will want to sell him and lalla or not, thats for the club and manager to decide, what I do know is they are great young players and we need to do all we can to keep them Well done to Dejan last night aother solid performance and this time you didn't have a dodgy ref giving carp penalties against you. hope Croatia make it through the group so you can have at least 2 more games there. I also hope that the stories about him denying the transfer request are true, though as the person who broke the 'story' that he did was Ashton I doubt he did anyway. Ashton breaks this story, which the rest of the media jump on, yet he did not, and still hasn't, provided any evidence or quotes from anyone that says he did! Still with guly and Fox gone I suppose some fans need some new players to blame for everything, so step up Luke, lalla and Dejan! Come on England we have to win tonight, so lets hope Roy has learned a thing or 2 from the Italy game and decides not to take off a forward and replace him with Wilshire, no replace him with SRL he wont let his country down! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 3

11:33am Thu 19 Jun 14

bathsaints says...

I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards
I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards bathsaints
  • Score: 2

12:38pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

bathsaints wrote:
I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards
The daily mirror has sold most of our squad this closed season as they did during the last window, at no point have they linked any players to the club, so we have to assume they have an hidden agenda and therefore should not be taken seriously, not that I have since I stopped reading Andy Capp in the mid 70's
[quote][p][bold]bathsaints[/bold] wrote: I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards[/p][/quote]The daily mirror has sold most of our squad this closed season as they did during the last window, at no point have they linked any players to the club, so we have to assume they have an hidden agenda and therefore should not be taken seriously, not that I have since I stopped reading Andy Capp in the mid 70's Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 4

12:47pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Golden_Salamander says...

bathsaints wrote:
I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards
But what if there isn't a "good price".

My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid.
Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years.

Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke.

Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money.

As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season.

Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.
[quote][p][bold]bathsaints[/bold] wrote: I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards[/p][/quote]But what if there isn't a "good price". My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid. Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years. Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke. Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money. As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season. Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers. Golden_Salamander
  • Score: 6

12:54pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Adam's decision is bigger than Luke's. At the age of 26 if he decides to commit to us, for say 4 years, in reality that means staying until the end of his career. Luke is a teenager and has plenty of time to move on if that becomes the right choice depending on our ambition over the next couple of seasons.

Hopefully the club has seen the light. They backed down on the transfer budget to get big Ron to commit which is great - providing we don't get the same issue each and every summer. These players and our new manager will only stay if we enable them to meet their financial and football aspirations with SFC.
Adam's decision is bigger than Luke's. At the age of 26 if he decides to commit to us, for say 4 years, in reality that means staying until the end of his career. Luke is a teenager and has plenty of time to move on if that becomes the right choice depending on our ambition over the next couple of seasons. Hopefully the club has seen the light. They backed down on the transfer budget to get big Ron to commit which is great - providing we don't get the same issue each and every summer. These players and our new manager will only stay if we enable them to meet their financial and football aspirations with SFC. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

12:59pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Golden_Salamander wrote:
bathsaints wrote:
I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards
But what if there isn't a "good price".

My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid.
Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years.

Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke.

Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money.

As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season.

Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.
None payment of transfer fees due and silly stage payments are causing a lot of problems. It's time the FA (or appropriate body) insisted that the full amount is deposited in an escrow account with them before sanctioning the transfer. They can then pass the funds onto the selling club. If you buy Joe Blogs house and don't have enough money you don't offer to pay him monthly for 25 years you go to a financial institution and take out a mortgage who pay Joe Blogs on your behalf.
[quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bathsaints[/bold] wrote: I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards[/p][/quote]But what if there isn't a "good price". My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid. Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years. Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke. Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money. As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season. Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.[/p][/quote]None payment of transfer fees due and silly stage payments are causing a lot of problems. It's time the FA (or appropriate body) insisted that the full amount is deposited in an escrow account with them before sanctioning the transfer. They can then pass the funds onto the selling club. If you buy Joe Blogs house and don't have enough money you don't offer to pay him monthly for 25 years you go to a financial institution and take out a mortgage who pay Joe Blogs on your behalf. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 6

1:10pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Alicesdad says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
The Saints players are only saying they are interested in diverpool so that Steeviee Geee will pass to them
Gerard is never worried about if you play for Liverpool .. it's all about where you stand. Everyone knows he has eyeys in the back of his head.....and he needs them !! Gerard will only pass to a player who is sideways on or probably behind him. The very idea of a forward pass is completely alien to him, The most frequesnt recipient of a Gerard pass is the centere half.

No offence.
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: The Saints players are only saying they are interested in diverpool so that Steeviee Geee will pass to them[/p][/quote]Gerard is never worried about if you play for Liverpool .. it's all about where you stand. Everyone knows he has eyeys in the back of his head.....and he needs them !! Gerard will only pass to a player who is sideways on or probably behind him. The very idea of a forward pass is completely alien to him, The most frequesnt recipient of a Gerard pass is the centere half. No offence. Alicesdad
  • Score: 7

2:16pm Thu 19 Jun 14

echo1948 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Golden_Salamander wrote:
bathsaints wrote:
I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards
But what if there isn't a "good price".

My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid.
Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years.

Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke.

Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money.

As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season.

Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.
None payment of transfer fees due and silly stage payments are causing a lot of problems. It's time the FA (or appropriate body) insisted that the full amount is deposited in an escrow account with them before sanctioning the transfer. They can then pass the funds onto the selling club. If you buy Joe Blogs house and don't have enough money you don't offer to pay him monthly for 25 years you go to a financial institution and take out a mortgage who pay Joe Blogs on your behalf.
Something Ihave always said,how can the so-called "big" clubs afford to pay such exhobitant transfer fees,when they are millions of pounds in debt.That crowd down the M27 were only owing about 30 million but were nearly wrapped up.How can that be right?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bathsaints[/bold] wrote: I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards[/p][/quote]But what if there isn't a "good price". My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid. Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years. Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke. Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money. As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season. Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.[/p][/quote]None payment of transfer fees due and silly stage payments are causing a lot of problems. It's time the FA (or appropriate body) insisted that the full amount is deposited in an escrow account with them before sanctioning the transfer. They can then pass the funds onto the selling club. If you buy Joe Blogs house and don't have enough money you don't offer to pay him monthly for 25 years you go to a financial institution and take out a mortgage who pay Joe Blogs on your behalf.[/p][/quote]Something Ihave always said,how can the so-called "big" clubs afford to pay such exhobitant transfer fees,when they are millions of pounds in debt.That crowd down the M27 were only owing about 30 million but were nearly wrapped up.How can that be right? echo1948
  • Score: 2

2:25pm Thu 19 Jun 14

John Smith34 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Adam's decision is bigger than Luke's. At the age of 26 if he decides to commit to us, for say 4 years, in reality that means staying until the end of his career. Luke is a teenager and has plenty of time to move on if that becomes the right choice depending on our ambition over the next couple of seasons.

Hopefully the club has seen the light. They backed down on the transfer budget to get big Ron to commit which is great - providing we don't get the same issue each and every summer. These players and our new manager will only stay if we enable them to meet their financial and football aspirations with SFC.
I'm confused. You say "if he decides to commit with us". Didn't he do that when he recently signed a new contract with us for 5 years?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Adam's decision is bigger than Luke's. At the age of 26 if he decides to commit to us, for say 4 years, in reality that means staying until the end of his career. Luke is a teenager and has plenty of time to move on if that becomes the right choice depending on our ambition over the next couple of seasons. Hopefully the club has seen the light. They backed down on the transfer budget to get big Ron to commit which is great - providing we don't get the same issue each and every summer. These players and our new manager will only stay if we enable them to meet their financial and football aspirations with SFC.[/p][/quote]I'm confused. You say "if he decides to commit with us". Didn't he do that when he recently signed a new contract with us for 5 years? John Smith34
  • Score: 4

2:38pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

Golden_Salamander wrote:
bathsaints wrote:
I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards
But what if there isn't a "good price".

My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid.
Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years.

Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke.

Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money.

As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season.

Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.
Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to
[quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bathsaints[/bold] wrote: I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards[/p][/quote]But what if there isn't a "good price". My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid. Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years. Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke. Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money. As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season. Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.[/p][/quote]Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 3

2:46pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
The Saints players are only saying they are interested in diverpool so that Steeviee Geee will pass to them
Gerard is never worried about if you play for Liverpool .. it's all about where you stand. Everyone knows he has eyeys in the back of his head.....and he needs them !! Gerard will only pass to a player who is sideways on or probably behind him. The very idea of a forward pass is completely alien to him, The most frequesnt recipient of a Gerard pass is the centere half.

No offence.
I thought it was only me that saw him for what he is, he scores maybe 2 or 3 wonder goals a season and he is the best thing since the beatles( who I cant stand), him, the invisable man henderson and I can't defend johnson really let England down against Italy, and I havent seen a least deserving player since "back pass batty"
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: The Saints players are only saying they are interested in diverpool so that Steeviee Geee will pass to them[/p][/quote]Gerard is never worried about if you play for Liverpool .. it's all about where you stand. Everyone knows he has eyeys in the back of his head.....and he needs them !! Gerard will only pass to a player who is sideways on or probably behind him. The very idea of a forward pass is completely alien to him, The most frequesnt recipient of a Gerard pass is the centere half. No offence.[/p][/quote]I thought it was only me that saw him for what he is, he scores maybe 2 or 3 wonder goals a season and he is the best thing since the beatles( who I cant stand), him, the invisable man henderson and I can't defend johnson really let England down against Italy, and I havent seen a least deserving player since "back pass batty" Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 2

2:52pm Thu 19 Jun 14

LFCalways says...

SaintChris46 wrote:
At least by the end of tonight we will probably be a hell of a lot closer to resolving the AL and LS issues. Back home by next weekend and hopefully we can then find out the truth behind their "wanting to play Champions League football". After all, there have been no direct quotes from either, only press speculation. Also, has anyone actually confirmed officially that Lovren has handed in a transfer request? To do so on the eve of his game against Brazil seemed a bit strange to me, surely that would have been the last thing on his mind?
BTW, I DO want England to progress, but all the time Rooney is in the team, its like playing with ten men.
You ask about actually transfer request? All of us will never find out as it's private, but if Sky Sports News, ITV World Cup, and every newspaper and google searching are reporting it, I believe it.....of course you get others saying they don't
[quote][p][bold]SaintChris46[/bold] wrote: At least by the end of tonight we will probably be a hell of a lot closer to resolving the AL and LS issues. Back home by next weekend and hopefully we can then find out the truth behind their "wanting to play Champions League football". After all, there have been no direct quotes from either, only press speculation. Also, has anyone actually confirmed officially that Lovren has handed in a transfer request? To do so on the eve of his game against Brazil seemed a bit strange to me, surely that would have been the last thing on his mind? BTW, I DO want England to progress, but all the time Rooney is in the team, its like playing with ten men.[/p][/quote]You ask about actually transfer request? All of us will never find out as it's private, but if Sky Sports News, ITV World Cup, and every newspaper and google searching are reporting it, I believe it.....of course you get others saying they don't LFCalways
  • Score: -4

2:57pm Thu 19 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

echo1948 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Golden_Salamander wrote:
bathsaints wrote:
I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards
But what if there isn't a "good price".

My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid.
Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years.

Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke.

Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money.

As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season.

Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.
None payment of transfer fees due and silly stage payments are causing a lot of problems. It's time the FA (or appropriate body) insisted that the full amount is deposited in an escrow account with them before sanctioning the transfer. They can then pass the funds onto the selling club. If you buy Joe Blogs house and don't have enough money you don't offer to pay him monthly for 25 years you go to a financial institution and take out a mortgage who pay Joe Blogs on your behalf.
Something Ihave always said,how can the so-called "big" clubs afford to pay such exhobitant transfer fees,when they are millions of pounds in debt.That crowd down the M27 were only owing about 30 million but were nearly wrapped up.How can that be right?
the crowd down the road owed over £100mill to start with then went into admin and promised to pay 20p in the pound. they never paid that and went into admin again promising to pay 2p in the pound with debts of over £40mill. the original £100mill+ became less than £200k, that's tax payers money by the way!
the main difference between poopey and the `big` clubs is that the big clubs can service their debts. poopey spent big but couldn't cover the money they owed. as most of poopeys debts were tax bills they had to be paid or the tax man would fold them up. the `big` clubs tend to pay the majority of their tax bills. this is what happened to rangers, they thought they had found a way of not paying the players tax but it caught up with them and the tax man folded them.
I do agree though and think that the debts big clubs run with is absurd. the fa/uefa/fifa need to sort this out. I know clubs like to run with a small debt so that they don't have to pay certain taxes, seed`s the man who would know about corporate taxes etc.
paying for players over the length of a contract s common practice, Madrid couldn't afford to pay for Ronaldo or bale outright so it will be paid in big instalments. to get the players we have brought over the past couple of years we have had to pay big upfront fees and then just a couple of instalments, if I remember correctly we paid most of the fee for gaston up front to make the deal happen.
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bathsaints[/bold] wrote: I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards[/p][/quote]But what if there isn't a "good price". My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid. Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years. Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke. Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money. As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season. Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.[/p][/quote]None payment of transfer fees due and silly stage payments are causing a lot of problems. It's time the FA (or appropriate body) insisted that the full amount is deposited in an escrow account with them before sanctioning the transfer. They can then pass the funds onto the selling club. If you buy Joe Blogs house and don't have enough money you don't offer to pay him monthly for 25 years you go to a financial institution and take out a mortgage who pay Joe Blogs on your behalf.[/p][/quote]Something Ihave always said,how can the so-called "big" clubs afford to pay such exhobitant transfer fees,when they are millions of pounds in debt.That crowd down the M27 were only owing about 30 million but were nearly wrapped up.How can that be right?[/p][/quote]the crowd down the road owed over £100mill to start with then went into admin and promised to pay 20p in the pound. they never paid that and went into admin again promising to pay 2p in the pound with debts of over £40mill. the original £100mill+ became less than £200k, that's tax payers money by the way! the main difference between poopey and the `big` clubs is that the big clubs can service their debts. poopey spent big but couldn't cover the money they owed. as most of poopeys debts were tax bills they had to be paid or the tax man would fold them up. the `big` clubs tend to pay the majority of their tax bills. this is what happened to rangers, they thought they had found a way of not paying the players tax but it caught up with them and the tax man folded them. I do agree though and think that the debts big clubs run with is absurd. the fa/uefa/fifa need to sort this out. I know clubs like to run with a small debt so that they don't have to pay certain taxes, seed`s the man who would know about corporate taxes etc. paying for players over the length of a contract s common practice, Madrid couldn't afford to pay for Ronaldo or bale outright so it will be paid in big instalments. to get the players we have brought over the past couple of years we have had to pay big upfront fees and then just a couple of instalments, if I remember correctly we paid most of the fee for gaston up front to make the deal happen. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 0

3:03pm Thu 19 Jun 14

LFCalways says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
Golden_Salamander wrote:
bathsaints wrote:
I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards
But what if there isn't a "good price".

My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid.
Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years.

Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke.

Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money.

As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season.

Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.
Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to
It now appears Liverpool are making a third bid for lallana and a lot of money straight upfront and not the previous bids before.
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bathsaints[/bold] wrote: I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards[/p][/quote]But what if there isn't a "good price". My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid. Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years. Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke. Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money. As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season. Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.[/p][/quote]Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to[/p][/quote]It now appears Liverpool are making a third bid for lallana and a lot of money straight upfront and not the previous bids before. LFCalways
  • Score: -4

3:11pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

LFCalways wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
Golden_Salamander wrote:
bathsaints wrote:
I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards
But what if there isn't a "good price".

My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid.
Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years.

Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke.

Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money.

As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season.

Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.
Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to
It now appears Liverpool are making a third bid for lallana and a lot of money straight upfront and not the previous bids before.
So they still want to have what they can't afford, tell me, why should we let you have one of the best English talents in instalments, and how do we replace him if we have not got the money for him, and finally I haven't bought a paper since July 1994 because they make up "the truth" especially the mirror and mail over the last 3 years
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bathsaints[/bold] wrote: I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards[/p][/quote]But what if there isn't a "good price". My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid. Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years. Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke. Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money. As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season. Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.[/p][/quote]Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to[/p][/quote]It now appears Liverpool are making a third bid for lallana and a lot of money straight upfront and not the previous bids before.[/p][/quote]So they still want to have what they can't afford, tell me, why should we let you have one of the best English talents in instalments, and how do we replace him if we have not got the money for him, and finally I haven't bought a paper since July 1994 because they make up "the truth" especially the mirror and mail over the last 3 years Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 3

3:24pm Thu 19 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
Small piece on the BBC website quotes Lallana saying that he is disapointed with Poch going as he made him the player he is.

However more importantly it says he is looking forward to meeting RK.

A step in the correct direction I think
But he just couldn't bring himself to say something along the lines of tell Saints fans to stop worrying I've got four years left on my contract, I have the responsibility of being Saints Captain, am an honourable man and will see out my contract which was good enough for me only one year ago"

Well - Go to it Adam - Half the town is waiting for you say something along these lines. Staying silent and hiding behind I will discuss my future when I return does not cut the mustard. When you should be saying I discussed my future last season and I will stick to my end of the bargain as long as the club stick to theirs. And by the way thanks to all the Saints fans who have welcomed me as their captain.

I am not holding my breath, in fact you should have said all this two weeks ago. So best you go and we'll find someone to fill your disloyal, arrogant shoes.
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: Small piece on the BBC website quotes Lallana saying that he is disapointed with Poch going as he made him the player he is. However more importantly it says he is looking forward to meeting RK. A step in the correct direction I think[/p][/quote]But he just couldn't bring himself to say something along the lines of tell Saints fans to stop worrying I've got four years left on my contract, I have the responsibility of being Saints Captain, am an honourable man and will see out my contract which was good enough for me only one year ago" Well - Go to it Adam - Half the town is waiting for you say something along these lines. Staying silent and hiding behind I will discuss my future when I return does not cut the mustard. When you should be saying I discussed my future last season and I will stick to my end of the bargain as long as the club stick to theirs. And by the way thanks to all the Saints fans who have welcomed me as their captain. I am not holding my breath, in fact you should have said all this two weeks ago. So best you go and we'll find someone to fill your disloyal, arrogant shoes. jls217
  • Score: 2

3:27pm Thu 19 Jun 14

jls217 says...

LFCalways wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
Golden_Salamander wrote:
bathsaints wrote:
I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards
But what if there isn't a "good price".

My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid.
Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years.

Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke.

Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money.

As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season.

Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.
Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to
It now appears Liverpool are making a third bid for lallana and a lot of money straight upfront and not the previous bids before.
Sssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
hhhhh
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bathsaints[/bold] wrote: I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards[/p][/quote]But what if there isn't a "good price". My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid. Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years. Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke. Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money. As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season. Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.[/p][/quote]Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to[/p][/quote]It now appears Liverpool are making a third bid for lallana and a lot of money straight upfront and not the previous bids before.[/p][/quote]Sssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhh jls217
  • Score: 2

3:29pm Thu 19 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
The Saints players are only saying they are interested in diverpool so that Steeviee Geee will pass to them
You wanna beeee in my ganga, my ganga, my ganga......
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: The Saints players are only saying they are interested in diverpool so that Steeviee Geee will pass to them[/p][/quote]You wanna beeee in my ganga, my ganga, my ganga...... jls217
  • Score: 2

3:32pm Thu 19 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
The Saints players are only saying they are interested in diverpool so that Steeviee Geee will pass to them
You wanna beeee in my ganga, my ganga, my ganga......
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: The Saints players are only saying they are interested in diverpool so that Steeviee Geee will pass to them[/p][/quote]You wanna beeee in my ganga, my ganga, my ganga...... jls217
  • Score: -1

3:33pm Thu 19 Jun 14

jls217 says...

It doesn't look like Gaston is even on the bench.
It doesn't look like Gaston is even on the bench. jls217
  • Score: -3

3:35pm Thu 19 Jun 14

LFCalways says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
LFCalways wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
Golden_Salamander wrote:
bathsaints wrote:
I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards
But what if there isn't a "good price".

My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid.
Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years.

Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke.

Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money.

As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season.

Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.
Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to
It now appears Liverpool are making a third bid for lallana and a lot of money straight upfront and not the previous bids before.
So they still want to have what they can't afford, tell me, why should we let you have one of the best English talents in instalments, and how do we replace him if we have not got the money for him, and finally I haven't bought a paper since July 1994 because they make up "the truth" especially the mirror and mail over the last 3 years
Your 1st question..Liverpool can afford as the money comes from the owners in America
Your 2nd question.... It seems that it won't be instalments this time, looks like it will be near your asking price straight up as what Les Reed said yesterday.
Yes he is a great British talent but needs bait more work to move him to the world class player...we all know players come and go with all clubs if the price is right for all
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bathsaints[/bold] wrote: I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards[/p][/quote]But what if there isn't a "good price". My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid. Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years. Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke. Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money. As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season. Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.[/p][/quote]Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to[/p][/quote]It now appears Liverpool are making a third bid for lallana and a lot of money straight upfront and not the previous bids before.[/p][/quote]So they still want to have what they can't afford, tell me, why should we let you have one of the best English talents in instalments, and how do we replace him if we have not got the money for him, and finally I haven't bought a paper since July 1994 because they make up "the truth" especially the mirror and mail over the last 3 years[/p][/quote]Your 1st question..Liverpool can afford as the money comes from the owners in America Your 2nd question.... It seems that it won't be instalments this time, looks like it will be near your asking price straight up as what Les Reed said yesterday. Yes he is a great British talent but needs bait more work to move him to the world class player...we all know players come and go with all clubs if the price is right for all LFCalways
  • Score: -3

3:38pm Thu 19 Jun 14

LFCalways says...

LFCalways wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
LFCalways wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
Golden_Salamander wrote:
bathsaints wrote:
I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards
But what if there isn't a "good price".

My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid.
Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years.

Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke.

Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money.

As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season.

Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.
Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to
It now appears Liverpool are making a third bid for lallana and a lot of money straight upfront and not the previous bids before.
So they still want to have what they can't afford, tell me, why should we let you have one of the best English talents in instalments, and how do we replace him if we have not got the money for him, and finally I haven't bought a paper since July 1994 because they make up "the truth" especially the mirror and mail over the last 3 years
Your 1st question..Liverpool can afford as the money comes from the owners in America
Your 2nd question.... It seems that it won't be instalments this time, looks like it will be near your asking price straight up as what Les Reed said yesterday.
Yes he is a great British talent but needs bait more work to move him to the world class player...we all know players come and go with all clubs if the price is right for all
Sorry mean't abit more work, not bait
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bathsaints[/bold] wrote: I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards[/p][/quote]But what if there isn't a "good price". My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid. Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years. Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke. Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money. As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season. Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.[/p][/quote]Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to[/p][/quote]It now appears Liverpool are making a third bid for lallana and a lot of money straight upfront and not the previous bids before.[/p][/quote]So they still want to have what they can't afford, tell me, why should we let you have one of the best English talents in instalments, and how do we replace him if we have not got the money for him, and finally I haven't bought a paper since July 1994 because they make up "the truth" especially the mirror and mail over the last 3 years[/p][/quote]Your 1st question..Liverpool can afford as the money comes from the owners in America Your 2nd question.... It seems that it won't be instalments this time, looks like it will be near your asking price straight up as what Les Reed said yesterday. Yes he is a great British talent but needs bait more work to move him to the world class player...we all know players come and go with all clubs if the price is right for all[/p][/quote]Sorry mean't abit more work, not bait LFCalways
  • Score: -2

3:42pm Thu 19 Jun 14

LFCalways says...

LFCalways wrote:
LFCalways wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
LFCalways wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
Golden_Salamander wrote:
bathsaints wrote:
I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards
But what if there isn't a "good price".

My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid.
Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years.

Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke.

Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money.

As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season.

Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.
Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to
It now appears Liverpool are making a third bid for lallana and a lot of money straight upfront and not the previous bids before.
So they still want to have what they can't afford, tell me, why should we let you have one of the best English talents in instalments, and how do we replace him if we have not got the money for him, and finally I haven't bought a paper since July 1994 because they make up "the truth" especially the mirror and mail over the last 3 years
Your 1st question..Liverpool can afford as the money comes from the owners in America
Your 2nd question.... It seems that it won't be instalments this time, looks like it will be near your asking price straight up as what Les Reed said yesterday.
Yes he is a great British talent but needs bait more work to move him to the world class player...we all know players come and go with all clubs if the price is right for all
Sorry mean't abit more work, not bait
This has come from Liverpool echo in Liverpool and not the papers you mentioned
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bathsaints[/bold] wrote: I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards[/p][/quote]But what if there isn't a "good price". My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid. Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years. Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke. Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money. As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season. Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.[/p][/quote]Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to[/p][/quote]It now appears Liverpool are making a third bid for lallana and a lot of money straight upfront and not the previous bids before.[/p][/quote]So they still want to have what they can't afford, tell me, why should we let you have one of the best English talents in instalments, and how do we replace him if we have not got the money for him, and finally I haven't bought a paper since July 1994 because they make up "the truth" especially the mirror and mail over the last 3 years[/p][/quote]Your 1st question..Liverpool can afford as the money comes from the owners in America Your 2nd question.... It seems that it won't be instalments this time, looks like it will be near your asking price straight up as what Les Reed said yesterday. Yes he is a great British talent but needs bait more work to move him to the world class player...we all know players come and go with all clubs if the price is right for all[/p][/quote]Sorry mean't abit more work, not bait[/p][/quote]This has come from Liverpool echo in Liverpool and not the papers you mentioned LFCalways
  • Score: -4

3:45pm Thu 19 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

LFCalways wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
Golden_Salamander wrote:
bathsaints wrote:
I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards
But what if there isn't a "good price".

My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid.
Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years.

Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke.

Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money.

As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season.

Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.
Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to
It now appears Liverpool are making a third bid for lallana and a lot of money straight upfront and not the previous bids before.
so what happened to the final `take it or leave it` bid that if it wasn't completed before the world cup would be taken off the table? are diverpool going back on what they said? if so how can we take anything they say seriously, you made demands we told you where to go and now your coming in again? its quite simple really, pay what saints want in cash or you aren't getting him! perhaps if you ask Madrid for most of the money they will bid for suarez upfront you might be able to pay us, yes you've told us he isn't going anywhere and get annoyed when we suggest he is, but that's what weve told you about lalla and you aint listening!
like others have said, I don't really know what you get out of posting on here, I`m not bothered that you do as it great to have a laugh, but if saints were interested in buying a player the last thing I would do is find their local paper, register an account and then post abuse and derogatory remarks about their club and how we are going to take their player and theres nothing they can do to stop it! I suppose I just have more respect for fellow football fans and the clubs they support. I haven't even registered on the web site of our local rivals paper. I understand that some has, seed does great missionary work on there. I also know that some poopey fans register on here and pretend to be saints fans or fans of other clubs, diverpool and spuds for example. I actually like some of the poopey posters on here, well the ones that are honest about who they support anyway, still whatever rocks your boat.
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bathsaints[/bold] wrote: I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards[/p][/quote]But what if there isn't a "good price". My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid. Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years. Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke. Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money. As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season. Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.[/p][/quote]Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to[/p][/quote]It now appears Liverpool are making a third bid for lallana and a lot of money straight upfront and not the previous bids before.[/p][/quote]so what happened to the final `take it or leave it` bid that if it wasn't completed before the world cup would be taken off the table? are diverpool going back on what they said? if so how can we take anything they say seriously, you made demands we told you where to go and now your coming in again? its quite simple really, pay what saints want in cash or you aren't getting him! perhaps if you ask Madrid for most of the money they will bid for suarez upfront you might be able to pay us, yes you've told us he isn't going anywhere and get annoyed when we suggest he is, but that's what weve told you about lalla and you aint listening! like others have said, I don't really know what you get out of posting on here, I`m not bothered that you do as it great to have a laugh, but if saints were interested in buying a player the last thing I would do is find their local paper, register an account and then post abuse and derogatory remarks about their club and how we are going to take their player and theres nothing they can do to stop it! I suppose I just have more respect for fellow football fans and the clubs they support. I haven't even registered on the web site of our local rivals paper. I understand that some has, seed does great missionary work on there. I also know that some poopey fans register on here and pretend to be saints fans or fans of other clubs, diverpool and spuds for example. I actually like some of the poopey posters on here, well the ones that are honest about who they support anyway, still whatever rocks your boat. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 8

3:47pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

LFCalways wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
LFCalways wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
Golden_Salamander wrote:
bathsaints wrote:
I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards
But what if there isn't a "good price".

My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid.
Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years.

Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke.

Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money.

As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season.

Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.
Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to
It now appears Liverpool are making a third bid for lallana and a lot of money straight upfront and not the previous bids before.
So they still want to have what they can't afford, tell me, why should we let you have one of the best English talents in instalments, and how do we replace him if we have not got the money for him, and finally I haven't bought a paper since July 1994 because they make up "the truth" especially the mirror and mail over the last 3 years
Your 1st question..Liverpool can afford as the money comes from the owners in America
Your 2nd question.... It seems that it won't be instalments this time, looks like it will be near your asking price straight up as what Les Reed said yesterday.
Yes he is a great British talent but needs bait more work to move him to the world class player...we all know players come and go with all clubs if the price is right for all
That last paragraph sums it up for Saints, we no longer have to sell off the crown jewels just to buy Rupert Lowe another new car, I still don't believe the papers but lets say they have put in a bid, we still don't have to accept it, and if Lala likes the new boss he may not want to go either, personally I think he owes us another season too
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bathsaints[/bold] wrote: I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards[/p][/quote]But what if there isn't a "good price". My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid. Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years. Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke. Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money. As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season. Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.[/p][/quote]Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to[/p][/quote]It now appears Liverpool are making a third bid for lallana and a lot of money straight upfront and not the previous bids before.[/p][/quote]So they still want to have what they can't afford, tell me, why should we let you have one of the best English talents in instalments, and how do we replace him if we have not got the money for him, and finally I haven't bought a paper since July 1994 because they make up "the truth" especially the mirror and mail over the last 3 years[/p][/quote]Your 1st question..Liverpool can afford as the money comes from the owners in America Your 2nd question.... It seems that it won't be instalments this time, looks like it will be near your asking price straight up as what Les Reed said yesterday. Yes he is a great British talent but needs bait more work to move him to the world class player...we all know players come and go with all clubs if the price is right for all[/p][/quote]That last paragraph sums it up for Saints, we no longer have to sell off the crown jewels just to buy Rupert Lowe another new car, I still don't believe the papers but lets say they have put in a bid, we still don't have to accept it, and if Lala likes the new boss he may not want to go either, personally I think he owes us another season too Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 3

3:49pm Thu 19 Jun 14

SaintChris46 says...

LFCalways wrote:
SaintChris46 wrote:
At least by the end of tonight we will probably be a hell of a lot closer to resolving the AL and LS issues. Back home by next weekend and hopefully we can then find out the truth behind their "wanting to play Champions League football". After all, there have been no direct quotes from either, only press speculation. Also, has anyone actually confirmed officially that Lovren has handed in a transfer request? To do so on the eve of his game against Brazil seemed a bit strange to me, surely that would have been the last thing on his mind?
BTW, I DO want England to progress, but all the time Rooney is in the team, its like playing with ten men.
You ask about actually transfer request? All of us will never find out as it's private, but if Sky Sports News, ITV World Cup, and every newspaper and google searching are reporting it, I believe it.....of course you get others saying they don't
Just because the press are reporting it, doesn't mean it's true! I am not saying it's all lies, but they are all quick to use phrases such as "Sky Sports believes...", "It's understood that...", "Sources close to..." and such like. Not once has there been a definitive statement from any of the clubs involved, or the players. It is actually being reported that Lovren has made no such request. And why would we accept Borini in part exchange for the pair, as reported? If he's not good enough for Liverpool, then he's not good enough for Saints! It boils down to the fact the scousers can't afford them and Saints don't need to sell.
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintChris46[/bold] wrote: At least by the end of tonight we will probably be a hell of a lot closer to resolving the AL and LS issues. Back home by next weekend and hopefully we can then find out the truth behind their "wanting to play Champions League football". After all, there have been no direct quotes from either, only press speculation. Also, has anyone actually confirmed officially that Lovren has handed in a transfer request? To do so on the eve of his game against Brazil seemed a bit strange to me, surely that would have been the last thing on his mind? BTW, I DO want England to progress, but all the time Rooney is in the team, its like playing with ten men.[/p][/quote]You ask about actually transfer request? All of us will never find out as it's private, but if Sky Sports News, ITV World Cup, and every newspaper and google searching are reporting it, I believe it.....of course you get others saying they don't[/p][/quote]Just because the press are reporting it, doesn't mean it's true! I am not saying it's all lies, but they are all quick to use phrases such as "Sky Sports believes...", "It's understood that...", "Sources close to..." and such like. Not once has there been a definitive statement from any of the clubs involved, or the players. It is actually being reported that Lovren has made no such request. And why would we accept Borini in part exchange for the pair, as reported? If he's not good enough for Liverpool, then he's not good enough for Saints! It boils down to the fact the scousers can't afford them and Saints don't need to sell. SaintChris46
  • Score: 6

4:14pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
LFCalways wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
Golden_Salamander wrote:
bathsaints wrote:
I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards
But what if there isn't a "good price".

My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid.
Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years.

Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke.

Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money.

As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season.

Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.
Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to
It now appears Liverpool are making a third bid for lallana and a lot of money straight upfront and not the previous bids before.
so what happened to the final `take it or leave it` bid that if it wasn't completed before the world cup would be taken off the table? are diverpool going back on what they said? if so how can we take anything they say seriously, you made demands we told you where to go and now your coming in again? its quite simple really, pay what saints want in cash or you aren't getting him! perhaps if you ask Madrid for most of the money they will bid for suarez upfront you might be able to pay us, yes you've told us he isn't going anywhere and get annoyed when we suggest he is, but that's what weve told you about lalla and you aint listening!
like others have said, I don't really know what you get out of posting on here, I`m not bothered that you do as it great to have a laugh, but if saints were interested in buying a player the last thing I would do is find their local paper, register an account and then post abuse and derogatory remarks about their club and how we are going to take their player and theres nothing they can do to stop it! I suppose I just have more respect for fellow football fans and the clubs they support. I haven't even registered on the web site of our local rivals paper. I understand that some has, seed does great missionary work on there. I also know that some poopey fans register on here and pretend to be saints fans or fans of other clubs, diverpool and spuds for example. I actually like some of the poopey posters on here, well the ones that are honest about who they support anyway, still whatever rocks your boat.
I'm with you on that last bit, I don't give a flying fkcu about other teams unless we are playing them or they are going to beat poopey that week, never posted on another site and only read "the news" when there is a particular wind-up going on.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bathsaints[/bold] wrote: I guess we won't truly know players desires on moving away or staying until they back from the world cup. I have seen conflicting articles in the last 24 hours saying Liverpool have given up on pursuit of Adam but then another saying they moving for Adam and Lovren . I am sure agents and media speculation creates a lot of these rumours but it would be nice to hear the likes of Adam come out and say he is happy and excited to be at Saints if that is what he does feel and the same with Lovren if he hasn't handed in a request he could come out and at least make a small statement of intent. Anyway however much both of these players would leave a hole I'd rather have players who wanted to play for us and proud to wear the shirt so if they do want to go then let them and get a good price for them to reinvest!..Onwards and Upwards[/p][/quote]But what if there isn't a "good price". My understanding is that Diverpool offers across Europe (Spanish fullback; German midfield player) are made up of 40-50% Add-Ons, most of which have NO chance of being paid. Also the Fixed part they want to pay over the term of the contract. i.e they want to pay for Adam at £3m a year for 5 years. Now with the current Sky deal there is over £1.3m per PL place and if you add on extra TV appearance for the top teams that figure could increase to nearly £1.5m per league place per season. So Diverpool are only offering us JUST 2 league positions for Adam's services, a complete joke. Diverpool are £110-£120m in debt and don't have the money to pay up front and are therefore trying to get players in on the HP agreement being paid for by FUTURE Sky money. As for Dejan, I was told we paid for him in 2 instalments, nearly £4m last year and the same this month. (If we tried to do a "diverpool" we might not have got him last year). And Diverpool expect us to receive just £2m this season for his services (5 x £2m) after paying out nearly £4m this season. Les needs to stay strong and tell Diverpool where to go with their newspaper offers.[/p][/quote]Les did tell them to "bog off", so brenda said "ok well will have Lovren too", to which Les replied " I said bof-off, not buy one get one free. Seriously though, we would have to buy replacements for those leaving and no doubt we would not have the same clout as diverpool, and having been stitched up in the past we really need to say "all or nothing" with refference to the transfer fee's, and Luke should have a 10% sell on clause for the rest of his career no matter how many clubs he goes to[/p][/quote]It now appears Liverpool are making a third bid for lallana and a lot of money straight upfront and not the previous bids before.[/p][/quote]so what happened to the final `take it or leave it` bid that if it wasn't completed before the world cup would be taken off the table? are diverpool going back on what they said? if so how can we take anything they say seriously, you made demands we told you where to go and now your coming in again? its quite simple really, pay what saints want in cash or you aren't getting him! perhaps if you ask Madrid for most of the money they will bid for suarez upfront you might be able to pay us, yes you've told us he isn't going anywhere and get annoyed when we suggest he is, but that's what weve told you about lalla and you aint listening! like others have said, I don't really know what you get out of posting on here, I`m not bothered that you do as it great to have a laugh, but if saints were interested in buying a player the last thing I would do is find their local paper, register an account and then post abuse and derogatory remarks about their club and how we are going to take their player and theres nothing they can do to stop it! I suppose I just have more respect for fellow football fans and the clubs they support. I haven't even registered on the web site of our local rivals paper. I understand that some has, seed does great missionary work on there. I also know that some poopey fans register on here and pretend to be saints fans or fans of other clubs, diverpool and spuds for example. I actually like some of the poopey posters on here, well the ones that are honest about who they support anyway, still whatever rocks your boat.[/p][/quote]I'm with you on that last bit, I don't give a flying fkcu about other teams unless we are playing them or they are going to beat poopey that week, never posted on another site and only read "the news" when there is a particular wind-up going on. Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 2

4:21pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Come home boys the plane is awaiting!
Come home boys the plane is awaiting! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: -2

4:40pm Thu 19 Jun 14

St Van Roetford says...

By my reckoning we're unlikely to meet Argentina until the final, which is a real shame because I'd love to see Lalz and Messi on the same pitch, purely to test out the claim that the former makes the latter look sh1te.
By my reckoning we're unlikely to meet Argentina until the final, which is a real shame because I'd love to see Lalz and Messi on the same pitch, purely to test out the claim that the former makes the latter look sh1te. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 4

4:44pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

John Smith34 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Adam's decision is bigger than Luke's. At the age of 26 if he decides to commit to us, for say 4 years, in reality that means staying until the end of his career. Luke is a teenager and has plenty of time to move on if that becomes the right choice depending on our ambition over the next couple of seasons.

Hopefully the club has seen the light. They backed down on the transfer budget to get big Ron to commit which is great - providing we don't get the same issue each and every summer. These players and our new manager will only stay if we enable them to meet their financial and football aspirations with SFC.
I'm confused. You say "if he decides to commit with us". Didn't he do that when he recently signed a new contract with us for 5 years?
Yes but he can still put in a transfer request. This is a bit like when Chelsea tried to prize Stevie G away from Liverpool, he had a long think about it and then decided to stay put. If Adam is persuaded to stay it will obviously involve a new and enhanced contract, so whilst that doesn't guarantee anything it does mean it is unlikely that a top four club will come in for him again, particularly as the years tick by. He's 26, he's in his prime but needs to make his decision carefully.

Without dragging it all up again when he signed his last contract NC was chairman and talking of Champions League and MoPo, who Adam seriously admired, was the manager. All that has changed and therefore he may well need to be convinced that the club is not going to renege on the ambitions he was promised when he last put pen to paper.
[quote][p][bold]John Smith34[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Adam's decision is bigger than Luke's. At the age of 26 if he decides to commit to us, for say 4 years, in reality that means staying until the end of his career. Luke is a teenager and has plenty of time to move on if that becomes the right choice depending on our ambition over the next couple of seasons. Hopefully the club has seen the light. They backed down on the transfer budget to get big Ron to commit which is great - providing we don't get the same issue each and every summer. These players and our new manager will only stay if we enable them to meet their financial and football aspirations with SFC.[/p][/quote]I'm confused. You say "if he decides to commit with us". Didn't he do that when he recently signed a new contract with us for 5 years?[/p][/quote]Yes but he can still put in a transfer request. This is a bit like when Chelsea tried to prize Stevie G away from Liverpool, he had a long think about it and then decided to stay put. If Adam is persuaded to stay it will obviously involve a new and enhanced contract, so whilst that doesn't guarantee anything it does mean it is unlikely that a top four club will come in for him again, particularly as the years tick by. He's 26, he's in his prime but needs to make his decision carefully. Without dragging it all up again when he signed his last contract NC was chairman and talking of Champions League and MoPo, who Adam seriously admired, was the manager. All that has changed and therefore he may well need to be convinced that the club is not going to renege on the ambitions he was promised when he last put pen to paper. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

4:46pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
By my reckoning we're unlikely to meet Argentina until the final, which is a real shame because I'd love to see Lalz and Messi on the same pitch, purely to test out the claim that the former makes the latter look sh1te.
We will be coming home next week.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: By my reckoning we're unlikely to meet Argentina until the final, which is a real shame because I'd love to see Lalz and Messi on the same pitch, purely to test out the claim that the former makes the latter look sh1te.[/p][/quote]We will be coming home next week. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

4:48pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Ontario Saint says...

Have my doubts as to whether Ramirez will play tonight . Watched Uraguay play Costa Rica in Fortaleza .....Uruguay were very poor and if they don't improve England should win tonight.

Could not believe Harry Redknapp's comment that this was the worst English team in years...it is certainly a big improvement on the last one and they can only get better from here .
I hope Ramirez stays with Saints as Koeman will get the best out of him .
Have my doubts as to whether Ramirez will play tonight . Watched Uraguay play Costa Rica in Fortaleza .....Uruguay were very poor and if they don't improve England should win tonight. Could not believe Harry Redknapp's comment that this was the worst English team in years...it is certainly a big improvement on the last one and they can only get better from here . I hope Ramirez stays with Saints as Koeman will get the best out of him . Ontario Saint
  • Score: 2

4:53pm Thu 19 Jun 14

St Van Roetford says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
By my reckoning we're unlikely to meet Argentina until the final, which is a real shame because I'd love to see Lalz and Messi on the same pitch, purely to test out the claim that the former makes the latter look sh1te.
We will be coming home next week.
You never know!

(Alright, you sort of do but you have to suspend all rational belief in these things otherwise you'd never watch England at all.)
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: By my reckoning we're unlikely to meet Argentina until the final, which is a real shame because I'd love to see Lalz and Messi on the same pitch, purely to test out the claim that the former makes the latter look sh1te.[/p][/quote]We will be coming home next week.[/p][/quote]You never know! (Alright, you sort of do but you have to suspend all rational belief in these things otherwise you'd never watch England at all.) St Van Roetford
  • Score: 4

5:17pm Thu 19 Jun 14

bullsbags says...

jls217 wrote:
It doesn't look like Gaston is even on the bench.
Apart from the starting 11 they are all on the bench you pr!ck
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: It doesn't look like Gaston is even on the bench.[/p][/quote]Apart from the starting 11 they are all on the bench you pr!ck bullsbags
  • Score: 5

6:00pm Thu 19 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

bullsbags wrote:
jls217 wrote:
It doesn't look like Gaston is even on the bench.
Apart from the starting 11 they are all on the bench you pr!ck
No need for the insult, if any player has picked up an injury he wouldn't be on the bench would he? I haven't seen any team news posted yet, but as you say all of the fit players are either in the starting XI or on the bench.
[quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: It doesn't look like Gaston is even on the bench.[/p][/quote]Apart from the starting 11 they are all on the bench you pr!ck[/p][/quote]No need for the insult, if any player has picked up an injury he wouldn't be on the bench would he? I haven't seen any team news posted yet, but as you say all of the fit players are either in the starting XI or on the bench. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

6:07pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

bullsbags wrote:
jls217 wrote:
It doesn't look like Gaston is even on the bench.
Apart from the starting 11 they are all on the bench you pr!ck
Why the abuse? jls217 obviously didn't realise the rest of the squad can sit on the bench after all that's not the case in many competitions. Why not give him the info without trying to belittle him because he made a mistake?
[quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: It doesn't look like Gaston is even on the bench.[/p][/quote]Apart from the starting 11 they are all on the bench you pr!ck[/p][/quote]Why the abuse? jls217 obviously didn't realise the rest of the squad can sit on the bench after all that's not the case in many competitions. Why not give him the info without trying to belittle him because he made a mistake? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

6:47pm Thu 19 Jun 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Love to see them both get some game time but hope they stay fit. A draw could see you both coming home after the next game.
Love to see them both get some game time but hope they stay fit. A draw could see you both coming home after the next game. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 0

6:48pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Chapperall says...

The way it's looking Llalla and shaw will only get a game against Costa Rica as I fear the game will be the last before they head home. Still good experience for them.
The way it's looking Llalla and shaw will only get a game against Costa Rica as I fear the game will be the last before they head home. Still good experience for them. Chapperall
  • Score: 0

7:04pm Thu 19 Jun 14

saintlysoul says...

mustique wrote:
When will these players realise they will spend half their time sitting on the bench?Liverpool have players already playing for England in his position.
Shaw is still learning and success has gone to his head.
They are being driven by Agents. They should both listen to their parents who I am sure will advise them to stay another year at Southampton
Excellent post spot on the problem is some parents encourage a move as they see themselves sharing in the monetary gain of their sons! You're so right 'development' disappears and like most walks of life money becomes the dominating focus. What a shame.
[quote][p][bold]mustique[/bold] wrote: When will these players realise they will spend half their time sitting on the bench?Liverpool have players already playing for England in his position. Shaw is still learning and success has gone to his head. They are being driven by Agents. They should both listen to their parents who I am sure will advise them to stay another year at Southampton[/p][/quote]Excellent post spot on the problem is some parents encourage a move as they see themselves sharing in the monetary gain of their sons! You're so right 'development' disappears and like most walks of life money becomes the dominating focus. What a shame. saintlysoul
  • Score: 0

7:31pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Chapperall says...

saintlysoul wrote:
mustique wrote:
When will these players realise they will spend half their time sitting on the bench?Liverpool have players already playing for England in his position.
Shaw is still learning and success has gone to his head.
They are being driven by Agents. They should both listen to their parents who I am sure will advise them to stay another year at Southampton
Excellent post spot on the problem is some parents encourage a move as they see themselves sharing in the monetary gain of their sons! You're so right 'development' disappears and like most walks of life money becomes the dominating focus. What a shame.
Spot on the England situation is a prime example , they are just bench warmers as they would be in Diverpool. Still as you say it's all about money now not the pleasure of playing
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mustique[/bold] wrote: When will these players realise they will spend half their time sitting on the bench?Liverpool have players already playing for England in his position. Shaw is still learning and success has gone to his head. They are being driven by Agents. They should both listen to their parents who I am sure will advise them to stay another year at Southampton[/p][/quote]Excellent post spot on the problem is some parents encourage a move as they see themselves sharing in the monetary gain of their sons! You're so right 'development' disappears and like most walks of life money becomes the dominating focus. What a shame.[/p][/quote]Spot on the England situation is a prime example , they are just bench warmers as they would be in Diverpool. Still as you say it's all about money now not the pleasure of playing Chapperall
  • Score: 0

8:18pm Thu 19 Jun 14

jls217 says...

bullsbags wrote:
jls217 wrote:
It doesn't look like Gaston is even on the bench.
Apart from the starting 11 they are all on the bench you pr!ck
For Ball bag.
In the paper I was reading at the time I posted Gaston was not listed. Injured? Put on a plane because he'd nutted a team mate (not the first Saint to do so)? Don't know - crystall ball not working.
T
[quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: It doesn't look like Gaston is even on the bench.[/p][/quote]Apart from the starting 11 they are all on the bench you pr!ck[/p][/quote]For Ball bag. In the paper I was reading at the time I posted Gaston was not listed. Injured? Put on a plane because he'd nutted a team mate (not the first Saint to do so)? Don't know - crystall ball not working. T jls217
  • Score: 0

9:59pm Thu 19 Jun 14

bullsbags says...

jls217 wrote:
bullsbags wrote:
jls217 wrote:
It doesn't look like Gaston is even on the bench.
Apart from the starting 11 they are all on the bench you pr!ck
For Ball bag.
In the paper I was reading at the time I posted Gaston was not listed. Injured? Put on a plane because he'd nutted a team mate (not the first Saint to do so)? Don't know - crystall ball not working.
T
Apologies jls 217
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: It doesn't look like Gaston is even on the bench.[/p][/quote]Apart from the starting 11 they are all on the bench you pr!ck[/p][/quote]For Ball bag. In the paper I was reading at the time I posted Gaston was not listed. Injured? Put on a plane because he'd nutted a team mate (not the first Saint to do so)? Don't know - crystall ball not working. T[/p][/quote]Apologies jls 217 bullsbags
  • Score: 0

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