Saints stall Reds over Lallana

Adam Lallana

Adam Lallana

First published in Football

Saints are continuing to play hardball with Liverpool over a deal for Adam Lallana.

The Reds, who are due to complete the capture of Rickie Lambert today, also want to land Lallana before the World Cup begins, writes GORDON SIMPSON.

Liverpool lodged a final bid of £25m on Friday night and informed Saints that the transfer must be completed ahead of this summer’s tournament, or else they will turn their attention elsewhere.

However, despite that ultimatum, which the Anfield club also issued over a deal for Lambert, Saints have so far remained unmoved.

As chairman Ralph Krueger revealed last week, they want to hold off on all transfer dealings until a replacement for Mauricio Pochettino is appointed.

They broke from that policy after Liverpool’s bid for Lambert, believing that it could do more harm than good to prevent the striker making a dream move to his boyhood club.

However, they feel in a stronger position when it comes to Lallana, as is the case in regards to Luke Shaw, with Manchester United making their own attempts to push through a transfer for the teenage left-back this week.

Saints have so far ignored Liverpool’s offer and, with Lallana and the rest of the England squad having landed in Miami last night for a pre-World Cup camp, time is running out for the Reds to strike a deal.

Liverpool, who also want to sign Dejan Lovren this summer, are willing to send staff to Florida this week to conduct a medical, with the national team manager, Roy Hodgson, having said he will allow that to happen during free time if necessary.

However, a deal would need to be agreed with Saints first, and if that does not happen by the end of the week then there is no prospect of it being done before the World Cup is over.

Lallana has previously said that it “makes no difference” to him whether his future is sorted out before or after the tournament, although he is understood to be interested in exploring the possibility of a move to Anfield.

But Liverpool are adamant that they will not offer any more for the player, and although they may be bluffing about switching their attention to other targets, there is a distinct possibility they may chose to move on if this week proves fruitless for them.

If Lallana is desperate to go, he could attempt to force his way out, but, given his affinity to Saints, that would be a big call for him to make.

One Saints player who is definitely leaving before the World Cup is Lambert.

The 32-year-old should be confirmed as a Liverpool player today, having passed a medical on Saturday morning, with Saints receiving up to £5m for him, plus add-ons.

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7:05am Mon 2 Jun 14

circa 66 saint says...

As stated on another thread if ADAM really wants to go and its because of champions league football and not the MONEY then he should put in a written transfer request and pay b,mouths % .
But of course he may not want to go .
As stated on another thread if ADAM really wants to go and its because of champions league football and not the MONEY then he should put in a written transfer request and pay b,mouths % . But of course he may not want to go . circa 66 saint
  • Score: 6

7:08am Mon 2 Jun 14

Outside of the Box says...

If Adam wants out he will go..I applaud the Boards decision to ignore the Scousers threat. If they're to look elsewhere if they don't get their own way means they're not 100% sure on him. Let them look elsewhere..
If Adam wants out he will go..I applaud the Boards decision to ignore the Scousers threat. If they're to look elsewhere if they don't get their own way means they're not 100% sure on him. Let them look elsewhere.. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 17

7:18am Mon 2 Jun 14

Costa Baz says...

Apparently the board are ignoring calls from Lallana, which indicates that HE is trying to push the transfer through and take advantage of the green board and lack of manager.
Shame on him, if Adam Blackmore's tweets are accurate.

Equally, the board/Reed are also not communicating with other players, seeking information. Same source and if true, shame on the board/Reed, unless the players are being told that all discussions about the future will happen when the new manager is in situ. In which case, who is orchestrating this mass uprising amongst the players?
Apparently the board are ignoring calls from Lallana, which indicates that HE is trying to push the transfer through and take advantage of the green board and lack of manager. Shame on him, if Adam Blackmore's tweets are accurate. Equally, the board/Reed are also not communicating with other players, seeking information. Same source and if true, shame on the board/Reed, unless the players are being told that all discussions about the future will happen when the new manager is in situ. In which case, who is orchestrating this mass uprising amongst the players? Costa Baz
  • Score: 4

7:40am Mon 2 Jun 14

Golden_Salamander says...

The relationship between the players and the board has completely broken down, one can only hope that Ralph will not be at the Club much longer, otherwise the 2 or3 leaving will become 8 or 9 by July/Aug.

Kat's asset will become almost worthless if this problem is not sorted and we will be relegated. She has to start talking to the one man who can save the Club.
Please come back Nicola and save the Club .
The relationship between the players and the board has completely broken down, one can only hope that Ralph will not be at the Club much longer, otherwise the 2 or3 leaving will become 8 or 9 by July/Aug. Kat's asset will become almost worthless if this problem is not sorted and we will be relegated. She has to start talking to the one man who can save the Club. Please come back Nicola and save the Club . Golden_Salamander
  • Score: -30

7:46am Mon 2 Jun 14

justaSaintsfan says...

When Suarez wanted to leave Liverpool a year ago, the club refused. Liverpool were in no position to issue their ultimatum regarding Rickie Lambert last week and it is again not Liverpool's place to dictate to Saints about Adam Lallana. Liverpool rightly have a selfish approach to keeping their best players and to using tactics to persuade other clubs to sell players to them.

On the face of it, Rickie's transfer to Liverpool shows that Saints are being kind to the player in letting him move to his home city club. I am now thinking that Rickie would not have known anything more than media rumours about Liverpool's approach to Saints if Saints had refused Liverpool permission to talk to Rickie. I therefore reject the idea that Saints actually wanted Rickie to remain a Southampton player. Logic hopefully tells me that Saints already have players in mind, one of whom might replace Rickie.

Unlike many of my fellow staunch Saints fans, I do not believe for even a moment that Southampton FC's board of directors are at all naive about player sales. What I do believe is that the club is keeping quiet as usual and that we fans will get good news in due course. We will soon have a new manager. Perhaps the sackings of Jason Dodd and Paul Williams might have happened as part of preparing the way for the employment of a whole new coaching team. Jason and Paul were sacked BEFORE Mauricio Pochettino left the club. The Saints board would possibly therefore have already known Mauricio Pochettino was leaving the club.

I think the Saints board of directors are currently making some hard headed decisions for the ultimate benefit of the club. There might be players sold, but only on Saints' terms, not their competitors' terms. The Saints first team squad was not large enough during the 2013/2014 season and players have since then been released or sold by the club, making the squad even smaller. The club has indicated that players do not have to be sold. I look forward to the squad being enlarged with players of appropriate quality to help the further progress of Southampton FC.

We do not know as yet if Saints will sell any more players, but if any are sold, I think the club will get the best possible transfer fees and use the money to increase numbers and overall quality in the first team squad. I shall remain patient and keep faith that by the end of this close season, Saints will be ready for the new season with a new manager and coaching team and some better players.

The media have reported that almost all our best players will be sold, but that is very obviously bull manure.
When Suarez wanted to leave Liverpool a year ago, the club refused. Liverpool were in no position to issue their ultimatum regarding Rickie Lambert last week and it is again not Liverpool's place to dictate to Saints about Adam Lallana. Liverpool rightly have a selfish approach to keeping their best players and to using tactics to persuade other clubs to sell players to them. On the face of it, Rickie's transfer to Liverpool shows that Saints are being kind to the player in letting him move to his home city club. I am now thinking that Rickie would not have known anything more than media rumours about Liverpool's approach to Saints if Saints had refused Liverpool permission to talk to Rickie. I therefore reject the idea that Saints actually wanted Rickie to remain a Southampton player. Logic hopefully tells me that Saints already have players in mind, one of whom might replace Rickie. Unlike many of my fellow staunch Saints fans, I do not believe for even a moment that Southampton FC's board of directors are at all naive about player sales. What I do believe is that the club is keeping quiet as usual and that we fans will get good news in due course. We will soon have a new manager. Perhaps the sackings of Jason Dodd and Paul Williams might have happened as part of preparing the way for the employment of a whole new coaching team. Jason and Paul were sacked BEFORE Mauricio Pochettino left the club. The Saints board would possibly therefore have already known Mauricio Pochettino was leaving the club. I think the Saints board of directors are currently making some hard headed decisions for the ultimate benefit of the club. There might be players sold, but only on Saints' terms, not their competitors' terms. The Saints first team squad was not large enough during the 2013/2014 season and players have since then been released or sold by the club, making the squad even smaller. The club has indicated that players do not have to be sold. I look forward to the squad being enlarged with players of appropriate quality to help the further progress of Southampton FC. We do not know as yet if Saints will sell any more players, but if any are sold, I think the club will get the best possible transfer fees and use the money to increase numbers and overall quality in the first team squad. I shall remain patient and keep faith that by the end of this close season, Saints will be ready for the new season with a new manager and coaching team and some better players. The media have reported that almost all our best players will be sold, but that is very obviously bull manure. justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 57

7:48am Mon 2 Jun 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Adam is English and you cannot name another English player that we could replace him with at any price, which is why is is so sought after. The top clubs would budget upto £9 or £10m per season for an English player of his quality over say 6 seasons which make him worth over £50m.

However we don't want or need to sell him, just meet his ambitions and qualify for Europe next season.

If we sign a high profile like Rafa Benitez who wants to come back to the Premiership, then Adam etc would be convinced to stay. He would also attract the three or four quality players that we need to add to the squad to push on and get us there.

We would recover Rafa high salary in no time and it would lift our profile in the same way as signing Kevin Keegan did back at the time and very nearly won us the league title.

We can afford to do this so come on Katharina, Ralph & Les show us the ambition don't go cheap, GO GET RAFA NOW !!
Adam is English and you cannot name another English player that we could replace him with at any price, which is why is is so sought after. The top clubs would budget upto £9 or £10m per season for an English player of his quality over say 6 seasons which make him worth over £50m. However we don't want or need to sell him, just meet his ambitions and qualify for Europe next season. If we sign a high profile like Rafa Benitez who wants to come back to the Premiership, then Adam etc would be convinced to stay. He would also attract the three or four quality players that we need to add to the squad to push on and get us there. We would recover Rafa high salary in no time and it would lift our profile in the same way as signing Kevin Keegan did back at the time and very nearly won us the league title. We can afford to do this so come on Katharina, Ralph & Les show us the ambition don't go cheap, GO GET RAFA NOW !! NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 13

8:00am Mon 2 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Apparently the board are ignoring calls from Lallana, which indicates that HE is trying to push the transfer through and take advantage of the green board and lack of manager. Shame on him, if Adam Blackmore's tweets are accurate. Equally, the board/Reed are also not communicating with other players, seeking information. Same source and if true, shame on the board/Reed, unless the players are being told that all discussions about the future will happen when the new manager is in situ. In which case, who is orchestrating this mass uprising amongst the players?
Maybe they have been told by the board that no transfers will take place until a new manager has been appointed, if so then fair play to the board. Diverpool stood firm with Suarez last season, now that Saints are taking the same stance with them they don't like it.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Apparently the board are ignoring calls from Lallana, which indicates that HE is trying to push the transfer through and take advantage of the green board and lack of manager. Shame on him, if Adam Blackmore's tweets are accurate. Equally, the board/Reed are also not communicating with other players, seeking information. Same source and if true, shame on the board/Reed, unless the players are being told that all discussions about the future will happen when the new manager is in situ. In which case, who is orchestrating this mass uprising amongst the players?[/p][/quote]Maybe they have been told by the board that no transfers will take place until a new manager has been appointed, if so then fair play to the board. Diverpool stood firm with Suarez last season, now that Saints are taking the same stance with them they don't like it. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 15

8:05am Mon 2 Jun 14

andoru says...

Interesting tactic. Laying down an ultimatum over a player Saints don't really want to lose? So they're basically saying "Here's a deal you don't like. Take it or leave it."
Interesting tactic. Laying down an ultimatum over a player Saints don't really want to lose? So they're basically saying "Here's a deal you don't like. Take it or leave it." andoru
  • Score: 13

8:06am Mon 2 Jun 14

search for the truth says...

Quote from Liverpool Echo today

Lallana may have to force Reds transfer
• Jun 02, 2014 07:31

Liverpool FC's pursuit of Adam Lallana could hinge on whether the Southampton captain is willing to hand in a transfer request to force through a move to Anfield.
But the Reds have not yet given up hope of landing the England midfielder before the World Cup gets underway later this month.
A final “take it or leave it” offer of £25m was tabled for Lallana on Friday, with Liverpool eager to bring the 26-year-old to Merseyside.
As yet, there has been no formal response to that bid from Southampton, who are in no rush to part with their prized asset.
The South Coast club are understood to be looking for a fee closer to £30m, with 25% owed to Bournemouth as part of a sell-on clause. An opening £20m offer was turned down last month.
Lallana flew to the USA with Roy Hodgson's England squad on Sunday, as they head for a week-long training camp in Miami. He is expected to feature in their friendly matches with Ecuador and Honduras, having started the win over Peru at Wembley on Friday.
Now, there is a growing feeling that Liverpool's chances of landing Lallana may rest on whether the St Albans-born midfielder is willing to hand in a formal transfer request at St Mary's.
The player is keen to move to Anfield, and is desperate to play Champions League football after two excellent seasons for Saints in the Premier League. It is understood that Lallana and his representatives have been left disappointed at Southampton's lack of co-operation over the deal.
Liverpool, for their part, are still hopeful that a deal can be thrashed out before the World Cup gets underway in 10 days' time. They would be willing to fly staff to Miami or Brazil in order to complete a medical with Lallana, if necessary.
Hodgson has repeatedly stated his desire that his World Cup players sort their futures out before the tournament, and though he would not be willing to allow players to leave the camp, he would have no problem with Liverpool officials travelling in to discuss personal terms and conduct a medical. If their pursuit of Lallana is unsuccessful, then Liverpool have indicated they will turn their attention to alternative targets, including Bayern Munich's Xherdan Shaqiri.
Quote from Liverpool Echo today Lallana may have to force Reds transfer • Jun 02, 2014 07:31 Liverpool FC's pursuit of Adam Lallana could hinge on whether the Southampton captain is willing to hand in a transfer request to force through a move to Anfield. But the Reds have not yet given up hope of landing the England midfielder before the World Cup gets underway later this month. A final “take it or leave it” offer of £25m was tabled for Lallana on Friday, with Liverpool eager to bring the 26-year-old to Merseyside. As yet, there has been no formal response to that bid from Southampton, who are in no rush to part with their prized asset. The South Coast club are understood to be looking for a fee closer to £30m, with 25% owed to Bournemouth as part of a sell-on clause. An opening £20m offer was turned down last month. Lallana flew to the USA with Roy Hodgson's England squad on Sunday, as they head for a week-long training camp in Miami. He is expected to feature in their friendly matches with Ecuador and Honduras, having started the win over Peru at Wembley on Friday. Now, there is a growing feeling that Liverpool's chances of landing Lallana may rest on whether the St Albans-born midfielder is willing to hand in a formal transfer request at St Mary's. The player is keen to move to Anfield, and is desperate to play Champions League football after two excellent seasons for Saints in the Premier League. It is understood that Lallana and his representatives have been left disappointed at Southampton's lack of co-operation over the deal. Liverpool, for their part, are still hopeful that a deal can be thrashed out before the World Cup gets underway in 10 days' time. They would be willing to fly staff to Miami or Brazil in order to complete a medical with Lallana, if necessary. Hodgson has repeatedly stated his desire that his World Cup players sort their futures out before the tournament, and though he would not be willing to allow players to leave the camp, he would have no problem with Liverpool officials travelling in to discuss personal terms and conduct a medical. If their pursuit of Lallana is unsuccessful, then Liverpool have indicated they will turn their attention to alternative targets, including Bayern Munich's Xherdan Shaqiri. search for the truth
  • Score: -9

8:20am Mon 2 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

search for the truth wrote:
Quote from Liverpool Echo today Lallana may have to force Reds transfer • Jun 02, 2014 07:31 Liverpool FC's pursuit of Adam Lallana could hinge on whether the Southampton captain is willing to hand in a transfer request to force through a move to Anfield. But the Reds have not yet given up hope of landing the England midfielder before the World Cup gets underway later this month. A final “take it or leave it” offer of £25m was tabled for Lallana on Friday, with Liverpool eager to bring the 26-year-old to Merseyside. As yet, there has been no formal response to that bid from Southampton, who are in no rush to part with their prized asset. The South Coast club are understood to be looking for a fee closer to £30m, with 25% owed to Bournemouth as part of a sell-on clause. An opening £20m offer was turned down last month. Lallana flew to the USA with Roy Hodgson's England squad on Sunday, as they head for a week-long training camp in Miami. He is expected to feature in their friendly matches with Ecuador and Honduras, having started the win over Peru at Wembley on Friday. Now, there is a growing feeling that Liverpool's chances of landing Lallana may rest on whether the St Albans-born midfielder is willing to hand in a formal transfer request at St Mary's. The player is keen to move to Anfield, and is desperate to play Champions League football after two excellent seasons for Saints in the Premier League. It is understood that Lallana and his representatives have been left disappointed at Southampton's lack of co-operation over the deal. Liverpool, for their part, are still hopeful that a deal can be thrashed out before the World Cup gets underway in 10 days' time. They would be willing to fly staff to Miami or Brazil in order to complete a medical with Lallana, if necessary. Hodgson has repeatedly stated his desire that his World Cup players sort their futures out before the tournament, and though he would not be willing to allow players to leave the camp, he would have no problem with Liverpool officials travelling in to discuss personal terms and conduct a medical. If their pursuit of Lallana is unsuccessful, then Liverpool have indicated they will turn their attention to alternative targets, including Bayern Munich's Xherdan Shaqiri.
Note to LFC pay up or shut up, simple.
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: Quote from Liverpool Echo today Lallana may have to force Reds transfer • Jun 02, 2014 07:31 Liverpool FC's pursuit of Adam Lallana could hinge on whether the Southampton captain is willing to hand in a transfer request to force through a move to Anfield. But the Reds have not yet given up hope of landing the England midfielder before the World Cup gets underway later this month. A final “take it or leave it” offer of £25m was tabled for Lallana on Friday, with Liverpool eager to bring the 26-year-old to Merseyside. As yet, there has been no formal response to that bid from Southampton, who are in no rush to part with their prized asset. The South Coast club are understood to be looking for a fee closer to £30m, with 25% owed to Bournemouth as part of a sell-on clause. An opening £20m offer was turned down last month. Lallana flew to the USA with Roy Hodgson's England squad on Sunday, as they head for a week-long training camp in Miami. He is expected to feature in their friendly matches with Ecuador and Honduras, having started the win over Peru at Wembley on Friday. Now, there is a growing feeling that Liverpool's chances of landing Lallana may rest on whether the St Albans-born midfielder is willing to hand in a formal transfer request at St Mary's. The player is keen to move to Anfield, and is desperate to play Champions League football after two excellent seasons for Saints in the Premier League. It is understood that Lallana and his representatives have been left disappointed at Southampton's lack of co-operation over the deal. Liverpool, for their part, are still hopeful that a deal can be thrashed out before the World Cup gets underway in 10 days' time. They would be willing to fly staff to Miami or Brazil in order to complete a medical with Lallana, if necessary. Hodgson has repeatedly stated his desire that his World Cup players sort their futures out before the tournament, and though he would not be willing to allow players to leave the camp, he would have no problem with Liverpool officials travelling in to discuss personal terms and conduct a medical. If their pursuit of Lallana is unsuccessful, then Liverpool have indicated they will turn their attention to alternative targets, including Bayern Munich's Xherdan Shaqiri.[/p][/quote]Note to LFC pay up or shut up, simple. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 4

8:24am Mon 2 Jun 14

saintmicky says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Apparently the board are ignoring calls from Lallana, which indicates that HE is trying to push the transfer through and take advantage of the green board and lack of manager.
Shame on him, if Adam Blackmore's tweets are accurate.

Equally, the board/Reed are also not communicating with other players, seeking information. Same source and if true, shame on the board/Reed, unless the players are being told that all discussions about the future will happen when the new manager is in situ. In which case, who is orchestrating this mass uprising amongst the players?
More likely shame on Blackmore is he really in contact with players who have told him their calls are being ignored? Has Adam not been a bit busy flying to Miami, and preparing for the world cup to keep the local radio presenter up to date on his feelings?
'presenter/reporter' = liar
'it has been reported' or 'sources close to' = lies
The board need to stay strong, we only need to be selling players the new manager doesn't feel he needs. Have the press considered the Southampton board may not be 'stalling,' they may actually mean NO?
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Apparently the board are ignoring calls from Lallana, which indicates that HE is trying to push the transfer through and take advantage of the green board and lack of manager. Shame on him, if Adam Blackmore's tweets are accurate. Equally, the board/Reed are also not communicating with other players, seeking information. Same source and if true, shame on the board/Reed, unless the players are being told that all discussions about the future will happen when the new manager is in situ. In which case, who is orchestrating this mass uprising amongst the players?[/p][/quote]More likely shame on Blackmore is he really in contact with players who have told him their calls are being ignored? Has Adam not been a bit busy flying to Miami, and preparing for the world cup to keep the local radio presenter up to date on his feelings? 'presenter/reporter' = liar 'it has been reported' or 'sources close to' = lies The board need to stay strong, we only need to be selling players the new manager doesn't feel he needs. Have the press considered the Southampton board may not be 'stalling,' they may actually mean NO? saintmicky
  • Score: 8

8:31am Mon 2 Jun 14

Outside of the Box says...

Golden_Salamander wrote:
The relationship between the players and the board has completely broken down, one can only hope that Ralph will not be at the Club much longer, otherwise the 2 or3 leaving will become 8 or 9 by July/Aug.

Kat's asset will become almost worthless if this problem is not sorted and we will be relegated. She has to start talking to the one man who can save the Club.
Please come back Nicola and save the Club .
The asset is the Club not the players, unfortunate as it seems that's the reality, she could (if she desired) sell the players then sell the Club making a massive profit to boot, Cortese is not the answer, although I loved his style he is not the man with the money, Kathrina saw what he was doing with her money and dived him out.

It's difficult right now, but we have to keep the faith in what we have, after all we've all see worse, the days of the Dark Lord are still fresh in my memory as they're in all of us.
[quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: The relationship between the players and the board has completely broken down, one can only hope that Ralph will not be at the Club much longer, otherwise the 2 or3 leaving will become 8 or 9 by July/Aug. Kat's asset will become almost worthless if this problem is not sorted and we will be relegated. She has to start talking to the one man who can save the Club. Please come back Nicola and save the Club .[/p][/quote]The asset is the Club not the players, unfortunate as it seems that's the reality, she could (if she desired) sell the players then sell the Club making a massive profit to boot, Cortese is not the answer, although I loved his style he is not the man with the money, Kathrina saw what he was doing with her money and dived him out. It's difficult right now, but we have to keep the faith in what we have, after all we've all see worse, the days of the Dark Lord are still fresh in my memory as they're in all of us. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 3

8:36am Mon 2 Jun 14

montecristosaint says...

The Press may attempt to destabilize the Saints all they like I cant stop them but unless the bids are in the interest of the club in view of their ambition they simply will not be sold. This summer is witnessing a very fundamental battle to establish a level playing field. The premiership has been dominated by a handful of clubs and that simply is not healthy. No Southampton fan or employee that has his head screwed will be in favor of player sales because they fully understand the consequences of being seen as a selling club.When players sign a contract they do so on the understanding that they are making a legal commitment. They should not see it as an excuse to obtain a bigger wage packet it also involves responsibility towards the club, particularly where a player like Lallana is concerned who was supported when he had serious medical problems and his future as a player was in doubt. Shaw has not been in the first team long enough to be considered as having earned a move in the same way as Lambert had. The club has ambition, and unless it does not meet the demands of such ambition the players should remain loyal.The reported bids for Shaw and Lallana are clearly not big enough to persuade the club to sell either because neither player could be replaced for the kind of money that is being offered like for like.I fully understand that the fans if the bigger clubs will not be happy with my position but I simply could not give two hoots. I cant defeat fans of other bigger clubs on the field but I can certainly kick their collective **** off it and will take consummate pleasure in doing so.
The Press may attempt to destabilize the Saints all they like I cant stop them but unless the bids are in the interest of the club in view of their ambition they simply will not be sold. This summer is witnessing a very fundamental battle to establish a level playing field. The premiership has been dominated by a handful of clubs and that simply is not healthy. No Southampton fan or employee that has his head screwed will be in favor of player sales because they fully understand the consequences of being seen as a selling club.When players sign a contract they do so on the understanding that they are making a legal commitment. They should not see it as an excuse to obtain a bigger wage packet it also involves responsibility towards the club, particularly where a player like Lallana is concerned who was supported when he had serious medical problems and his future as a player was in doubt. Shaw has not been in the first team long enough to be considered as having earned a move in the same way as Lambert had. The club has ambition, and unless it does not meet the demands of such ambition the players should remain loyal.The reported bids for Shaw and Lallana are clearly not big enough to persuade the club to sell either because neither player could be replaced for the kind of money that is being offered like for like.I fully understand that the fans if the bigger clubs will not be happy with my position but I simply could not give two hoots. I cant defeat fans of other bigger clubs on the field but I can certainly kick their collective **** off it and will take consummate pleasure in doing so. montecristosaint
  • Score: 13

8:42am Mon 2 Jun 14

Saintlee72 says...

Liverpool want Lallana? I've no problem with that but they must pay what he is worth TO US, not what they think he's worth.
The board not speaking to Adam is clever, but very very dangerous. Lallana doesn't seem to be a malicious person, but a certain amount of petulance may set in if it continues much longer.
Speak to him, tell him he is our prize asset but he won't be going anywhere unless Liverpool stump up the £30 million we are asking for. I don't think it's over inflated.
Liverpool are trying to intimidate our board by making ultimatums, which I don't understand - do they think we are desperate to sell or what??
As for Liverpool - pay up or shut up !!!!!
Liverpool want Lallana? I've no problem with that but they must pay what he is worth TO US, not what they think he's worth. The board not speaking to Adam is clever, but very very dangerous. Lallana doesn't seem to be a malicious person, but a certain amount of petulance may set in if it continues much longer. Speak to him, tell him he is our prize asset but he won't be going anywhere unless Liverpool stump up the £30 million we are asking for. I don't think it's over inflated. Liverpool are trying to intimidate our board by making ultimatums, which I don't understand - do they think we are desperate to sell or what?? As for Liverpool - pay up or shut up !!!!! Saintlee72
  • Score: 7

8:46am Mon 2 Jun 14

Shareholder says...

search for the truth wrote:
Quote from Liverpool Echo today

Lallana may have to force Reds transfer
• Jun 02, 2014 07:31

Liverpool FC's pursuit of Adam Lallana could hinge on whether the Southampton captain is willing to hand in a transfer request to force through a move to Anfield.
But the Reds have not yet given up hope of landing the England midfielder before the World Cup gets underway later this month.
A final “take it or leave it” offer of £25m was tabled for Lallana on Friday, with Liverpool eager to bring the 26-year-old to Merseyside.
As yet, there has been no formal response to that bid from Southampton, who are in no rush to part with their prized asset.
The South Coast club are understood to be looking for a fee closer to £30m, with 25% owed to Bournemouth as part of a sell-on clause. An opening £20m offer was turned down last month.
Lallana flew to the USA with Roy Hodgson's England squad on Sunday, as they head for a week-long training camp in Miami. He is expected to feature in their friendly matches with Ecuador and Honduras, having started the win over Peru at Wembley on Friday.
Now, there is a growing feeling that Liverpool's chances of landing Lallana may rest on whether the St Albans-born midfielder is willing to hand in a formal transfer request at St Mary's.
The player is keen to move to Anfield, and is desperate to play Champions League football after two excellent seasons for Saints in the Premier League. It is understood that Lallana and his representatives have been left disappointed at Southampton's lack of co-operation over the deal.
Liverpool, for their part, are still hopeful that a deal can be thrashed out before the World Cup gets underway in 10 days' time. They would be willing to fly staff to Miami or Brazil in order to complete a medical with Lallana, if necessary.
Hodgson has repeatedly stated his desire that his World Cup players sort their futures out before the tournament, and though he would not be willing to allow players to leave the camp, he would have no problem with Liverpool officials travelling in to discuss personal terms and conduct a medical. If their pursuit of Lallana is unsuccessful, then Liverpool have indicated they will turn their attention to alternative targets, including Bayern Munich's Xherdan Shaqiri.
Both Echos owned by sane group. Same lazy journalism based on pinching stories from other papers. Both useless newspapers with no more clue about what's really going on than the rest of us. Disgrace to call themselves'local newspapers' - in our case local assassins would be more appropriate.
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: Quote from Liverpool Echo today Lallana may have to force Reds transfer • Jun 02, 2014 07:31 Liverpool FC's pursuit of Adam Lallana could hinge on whether the Southampton captain is willing to hand in a transfer request to force through a move to Anfield. But the Reds have not yet given up hope of landing the England midfielder before the World Cup gets underway later this month. A final “take it or leave it” offer of £25m was tabled for Lallana on Friday, with Liverpool eager to bring the 26-year-old to Merseyside. As yet, there has been no formal response to that bid from Southampton, who are in no rush to part with their prized asset. The South Coast club are understood to be looking for a fee closer to £30m, with 25% owed to Bournemouth as part of a sell-on clause. An opening £20m offer was turned down last month. Lallana flew to the USA with Roy Hodgson's England squad on Sunday, as they head for a week-long training camp in Miami. He is expected to feature in their friendly matches with Ecuador and Honduras, having started the win over Peru at Wembley on Friday. Now, there is a growing feeling that Liverpool's chances of landing Lallana may rest on whether the St Albans-born midfielder is willing to hand in a formal transfer request at St Mary's. The player is keen to move to Anfield, and is desperate to play Champions League football after two excellent seasons for Saints in the Premier League. It is understood that Lallana and his representatives have been left disappointed at Southampton's lack of co-operation over the deal. Liverpool, for their part, are still hopeful that a deal can be thrashed out before the World Cup gets underway in 10 days' time. They would be willing to fly staff to Miami or Brazil in order to complete a medical with Lallana, if necessary. Hodgson has repeatedly stated his desire that his World Cup players sort their futures out before the tournament, and though he would not be willing to allow players to leave the camp, he would have no problem with Liverpool officials travelling in to discuss personal terms and conduct a medical. If their pursuit of Lallana is unsuccessful, then Liverpool have indicated they will turn their attention to alternative targets, including Bayern Munich's Xherdan Shaqiri.[/p][/quote]Both Echos owned by sane group. Same lazy journalism based on pinching stories from other papers. Both useless newspapers with no more clue about what's really going on than the rest of us. Disgrace to call themselves'local newspapers' - in our case local assassins would be more appropriate. Shareholder
  • Score: 0

8:49am Mon 2 Jun 14

search for the truth says...

Shareholder wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
Quote from Liverpool Echo today

Lallana may have to force Reds transfer
• Jun 02, 2014 07:31

Liverpool FC's pursuit of Adam Lallana could hinge on whether the Southampton captain is willing to hand in a transfer request to force through a move to Anfield.
But the Reds have not yet given up hope of landing the England midfielder before the World Cup gets underway later this month.
A final “take it or leave it” offer of £25m was tabled for Lallana on Friday, with Liverpool eager to bring the 26-year-old to Merseyside.
As yet, there has been no formal response to that bid from Southampton, who are in no rush to part with their prized asset.
The South Coast club are understood to be looking for a fee closer to £30m, with 25% owed to Bournemouth as part of a sell-on clause. An opening £20m offer was turned down last month.
Lallana flew to the USA with Roy Hodgson's England squad on Sunday, as they head for a week-long training camp in Miami. He is expected to feature in their friendly matches with Ecuador and Honduras, having started the win over Peru at Wembley on Friday.
Now, there is a growing feeling that Liverpool's chances of landing Lallana may rest on whether the St Albans-born midfielder is willing to hand in a formal transfer request at St Mary's.
The player is keen to move to Anfield, and is desperate to play Champions League football after two excellent seasons for Saints in the Premier League. It is understood that Lallana and his representatives have been left disappointed at Southampton's lack of co-operation over the deal.
Liverpool, for their part, are still hopeful that a deal can be thrashed out before the World Cup gets underway in 10 days' time. They would be willing to fly staff to Miami or Brazil in order to complete a medical with Lallana, if necessary.
Hodgson has repeatedly stated his desire that his World Cup players sort their futures out before the tournament, and though he would not be willing to allow players to leave the camp, he would have no problem with Liverpool officials travelling in to discuss personal terms and conduct a medical. If their pursuit of Lallana is unsuccessful, then Liverpool have indicated they will turn their attention to alternative targets, including Bayern Munich's Xherdan Shaqiri.
Both Echos owned by sane group. Same lazy journalism based on pinching stories from other papers. Both useless newspapers with no more clue about what's really going on than the rest of us. Disgrace to call themselves'local newspapers' - in our case local assassins would be more appropriate.
Liverpool Echo is owned by Trinity / Mirror Group.

Southern Daily Echo is owned by Newsquest.
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: Quote from Liverpool Echo today Lallana may have to force Reds transfer • Jun 02, 2014 07:31 Liverpool FC's pursuit of Adam Lallana could hinge on whether the Southampton captain is willing to hand in a transfer request to force through a move to Anfield. But the Reds have not yet given up hope of landing the England midfielder before the World Cup gets underway later this month. A final “take it or leave it” offer of £25m was tabled for Lallana on Friday, with Liverpool eager to bring the 26-year-old to Merseyside. As yet, there has been no formal response to that bid from Southampton, who are in no rush to part with their prized asset. The South Coast club are understood to be looking for a fee closer to £30m, with 25% owed to Bournemouth as part of a sell-on clause. An opening £20m offer was turned down last month. Lallana flew to the USA with Roy Hodgson's England squad on Sunday, as they head for a week-long training camp in Miami. He is expected to feature in their friendly matches with Ecuador and Honduras, having started the win over Peru at Wembley on Friday. Now, there is a growing feeling that Liverpool's chances of landing Lallana may rest on whether the St Albans-born midfielder is willing to hand in a formal transfer request at St Mary's. The player is keen to move to Anfield, and is desperate to play Champions League football after two excellent seasons for Saints in the Premier League. It is understood that Lallana and his representatives have been left disappointed at Southampton's lack of co-operation over the deal. Liverpool, for their part, are still hopeful that a deal can be thrashed out before the World Cup gets underway in 10 days' time. They would be willing to fly staff to Miami or Brazil in order to complete a medical with Lallana, if necessary. Hodgson has repeatedly stated his desire that his World Cup players sort their futures out before the tournament, and though he would not be willing to allow players to leave the camp, he would have no problem with Liverpool officials travelling in to discuss personal terms and conduct a medical. If their pursuit of Lallana is unsuccessful, then Liverpool have indicated they will turn their attention to alternative targets, including Bayern Munich's Xherdan Shaqiri.[/p][/quote]Both Echos owned by sane group. Same lazy journalism based on pinching stories from other papers. Both useless newspapers with no more clue about what's really going on than the rest of us. Disgrace to call themselves'local newspapers' - in our case local assassins would be more appropriate.[/p][/quote]Liverpool Echo is owned by Trinity / Mirror Group. Southern Daily Echo is owned by Newsquest. search for the truth
  • Score: 4

9:09am Mon 2 Jun 14

Alicesdad says...

.. and another week of happy posts awaits us ....

We need a manager to come in soon and make it a condition that we keep the core players of this team. Otherwise he will be managing a relegation prospect from day one.

The team spirit of this group of players has been both rare and a delight to see.

Lamberts departure will have cracked that spirit. He has truly personified the recovery and rise of SFC. If we lose Shaw, Lallana and Lovren then who would want to join the club with such an lack of commitment to the really big time?

The next couple of weeks will show whether the Board are true master planners or just a bunch of asset strippers.
.. and another week of happy posts awaits us .... We need a manager to come in soon and make it a condition that we keep the core players of this team. Otherwise he will be managing a relegation prospect from day one. The team spirit of this group of players has been both rare and a delight to see. Lamberts departure will have cracked that spirit. He has truly personified the recovery and rise of SFC. If we lose Shaw, Lallana and Lovren then who would want to join the club with such an lack of commitment to the really big time? The next couple of weeks will show whether the Board are true master planners or just a bunch of asset strippers. Alicesdad
  • Score: -2

9:10am Mon 2 Jun 14

swesaint says...

It's all speculation until the club confirms something. Remember in January as most of the press reported half the team would walk out when cortese left. It was not branded rumours but pretty much as facts and see how that turned out.
It's all speculation until the club confirms something. Remember in January as most of the press reported half the team would walk out when cortese left. It was not branded rumours but pretty much as facts and see how that turned out. swesaint
  • Score: 3

9:11am Mon 2 Jun 14

Malcombe says...

It seems the Board are digging there heels in to the sale of any of the Players and rightly so, what's the point of coming out with useless comments when they are damned if they do and damned if they don't, it's not Rocket Science that The Board and Supporters have had enough of rumours and eating humble Pie it's horrible, I'm sure Liverpool FC and Brendan Rodgers wouldn't be happy if they were getting the same treatment.
Knowing that Liverpool are giving Southampton an ultimatum because they do not want to pay the asking price for Adam suggest they can't want him that much, if Liverpool had there way they would buy a third of the Team and expect them cheap as if to imply Don't you know who we are this is Liverpool FC here and it doesn't say much for there Academy and Scouting system, perhaps they do not Scout any further than Anfield Liverpool FC but prefer to unsettle Players in the Domestic Leagues and upset Club Boards and Supporters by dirty tactics of approaching a Player without first contacting The Board of Southampton, Liverpool's method stinks.
Liverpool are trying to impose there way of doing business which could be the American way like a Bull in a China Shop and now they've met there match with Southampton FC who will not be rushed and bullied, Southampton FC are not desperate and know they call the tune not Liverpool also it's correct to be patient and wait for the new Manager before decisions on Players are decided.
Les Reed has a big responsibility with his job and has being vilified as if he's at home twiddling his thumbs, we must remember that this crisis was sparked by an insincere and dishonest Manager and it hurts me to say this but it's facts, Les now has to complete another Jigsaw and be sure it's better Personnel than those who have departed so that the Club continues onwards and upwards
It seems the Board are digging there heels in to the sale of any of the Players and rightly so, what's the point of coming out with useless comments when they are damned if they do and damned if they don't, it's not Rocket Science that The Board and Supporters have had enough of rumours and eating humble Pie it's horrible, I'm sure Liverpool FC and Brendan Rodgers wouldn't be happy if they were getting the same treatment. Knowing that Liverpool are giving Southampton an ultimatum because they do not want to pay the asking price for Adam suggest they can't want him that much, if Liverpool had there way they would buy a third of the Team and expect them cheap as if to imply Don't you know who we are this is Liverpool FC here and it doesn't say much for there Academy and Scouting system, perhaps they do not Scout any further than Anfield Liverpool FC but prefer to unsettle Players in the Domestic Leagues and upset Club Boards and Supporters by dirty tactics of approaching a Player without first contacting The Board of Southampton, Liverpool's method stinks. Liverpool are trying to impose there way of doing business which could be the American way like a Bull in a China Shop and now they've met there match with Southampton FC who will not be rushed and bullied, Southampton FC are not desperate and know they call the tune not Liverpool also it's correct to be patient and wait for the new Manager before decisions on Players are decided. Les Reed has a big responsibility with his job and has being vilified as if he's at home twiddling his thumbs, we must remember that this crisis was sparked by an insincere and dishonest Manager and it hurts me to say this but it's facts, Les now has to complete another Jigsaw and be sure it's better Personnel than those who have departed so that the Club continues onwards and upwards Malcombe
  • Score: 6

9:23am Mon 2 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

search for the truth wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
Quote from Liverpool Echo today

Lallana may have to force Reds transfer
• Jun 02, 2014 07:31

Liverpool FC's pursuit of Adam Lallana could hinge on whether the Southampton captain is willing to hand in a transfer request to force through a move to Anfield.
But the Reds have not yet given up hope of landing the England midfielder before the World Cup gets underway later this month.
A final “take it or leave it” offer of £25m was tabled for Lallana on Friday, with Liverpool eager to bring the 26-year-old to Merseyside.
As yet, there has been no formal response to that bid from Southampton, who are in no rush to part with their prized asset.
The South Coast club are understood to be looking for a fee closer to £30m, with 25% owed to Bournemouth as part of a sell-on clause. An opening £20m offer was turned down last month.
Lallana flew to the USA with Roy Hodgson's England squad on Sunday, as they head for a week-long training camp in Miami. He is expected to feature in their friendly matches with Ecuador and Honduras, having started the win over Peru at Wembley on Friday.
Now, there is a growing feeling that Liverpool's chances of landing Lallana may rest on whether the St Albans-born midfielder is willing to hand in a formal transfer request at St Mary's.
The player is keen to move to Anfield, and is desperate to play Champions League football after two excellent seasons for Saints in the Premier League. It is understood that Lallana and his representatives have been left disappointed at Southampton's lack of co-operation over the deal.
Liverpool, for their part, are still hopeful that a deal can be thrashed out before the World Cup gets underway in 10 days' time. They would be willing to fly staff to Miami or Brazil in order to complete a medical with Lallana, if necessary.
Hodgson has repeatedly stated his desire that his World Cup players sort their futures out before the tournament, and though he would not be willing to allow players to leave the camp, he would have no problem with Liverpool officials travelling in to discuss personal terms and conduct a medical. If their pursuit of Lallana is unsuccessful, then Liverpool have indicated they will turn their attention to alternative targets, including Bayern Munich's Xherdan Shaqiri.
Both Echos owned by sane group. Same lazy journalism based on pinching stories from other papers. Both useless newspapers with no more clue about what's really going on than the rest of us. Disgrace to call themselves'local newspapers' - in our case local assassins would be more appropriate.
Liverpool Echo is owned by Trinity / Mirror Group.

Southern Daily Echo is owned by Newsquest.
Why do you keep sending us all these passages from the Liverpool Echo,Search for the Truth...can't you see that none of us down here are remotely interested? Or in what the DE have to say for that matter,as it is all,constantly negative.
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: Quote from Liverpool Echo today Lallana may have to force Reds transfer • Jun 02, 2014 07:31 Liverpool FC's pursuit of Adam Lallana could hinge on whether the Southampton captain is willing to hand in a transfer request to force through a move to Anfield. But the Reds have not yet given up hope of landing the England midfielder before the World Cup gets underway later this month. A final “take it or leave it” offer of £25m was tabled for Lallana on Friday, with Liverpool eager to bring the 26-year-old to Merseyside. As yet, there has been no formal response to that bid from Southampton, who are in no rush to part with their prized asset. The South Coast club are understood to be looking for a fee closer to £30m, with 25% owed to Bournemouth as part of a sell-on clause. An opening £20m offer was turned down last month. Lallana flew to the USA with Roy Hodgson's England squad on Sunday, as they head for a week-long training camp in Miami. He is expected to feature in their friendly matches with Ecuador and Honduras, having started the win over Peru at Wembley on Friday. Now, there is a growing feeling that Liverpool's chances of landing Lallana may rest on whether the St Albans-born midfielder is willing to hand in a formal transfer request at St Mary's. The player is keen to move to Anfield, and is desperate to play Champions League football after two excellent seasons for Saints in the Premier League. It is understood that Lallana and his representatives have been left disappointed at Southampton's lack of co-operation over the deal. Liverpool, for their part, are still hopeful that a deal can be thrashed out before the World Cup gets underway in 10 days' time. They would be willing to fly staff to Miami or Brazil in order to complete a medical with Lallana, if necessary. Hodgson has repeatedly stated his desire that his World Cup players sort their futures out before the tournament, and though he would not be willing to allow players to leave the camp, he would have no problem with Liverpool officials travelling in to discuss personal terms and conduct a medical. If their pursuit of Lallana is unsuccessful, then Liverpool have indicated they will turn their attention to alternative targets, including Bayern Munich's Xherdan Shaqiri.[/p][/quote]Both Echos owned by sane group. Same lazy journalism based on pinching stories from other papers. Both useless newspapers with no more clue about what's really going on than the rest of us. Disgrace to call themselves'local newspapers' - in our case local assassins would be more appropriate.[/p][/quote]Liverpool Echo is owned by Trinity / Mirror Group. Southern Daily Echo is owned by Newsquest.[/p][/quote]Why do you keep sending us all these passages from the Liverpool Echo,Search for the Truth...can't you see that none of us down here are remotely interested? Or in what the DE have to say for that matter,as it is all,constantly negative. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 5

9:25am Mon 2 Jun 14

Littleton-Saint says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Adam is English and you cannot name another English player that we could replace him with at any price, which is why is is so sought after. The top clubs would budget upto £9 or £10m per season for an English player of his quality over say 6 seasons which make him worth over £50m.

However we don't want or need to sell him, just meet his ambitions and qualify for Europe next season.

If we sign a high profile like Rafa Benitez who wants to come back to the Premiership, then Adam etc would be convinced to stay. He would also attract the three or four quality players that we need to add to the squad to push on and get us there.

We would recover Rafa high salary in no time and it would lift our profile in the same way as signing Kevin Keegan did back at the time and very nearly won us the league title.

We can afford to do this so come on Katharina, Ralph & Les show us the ambition don't go cheap, GO GET RAFA NOW !!
Of all the names touted, Rafa is the only one who inspires me.
Get him on Board and there's a high chance that Adam and others will stay.
Stuff Liverpool and their arrogance.
Let's not try and up the Lallana price, let's simply say a firm, "No".
With our inexperienced Board we need a strong positive manager at the helm.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Adam is English and you cannot name another English player that we could replace him with at any price, which is why is is so sought after. The top clubs would budget upto £9 or £10m per season for an English player of his quality over say 6 seasons which make him worth over £50m. However we don't want or need to sell him, just meet his ambitions and qualify for Europe next season. If we sign a high profile like Rafa Benitez who wants to come back to the Premiership, then Adam etc would be convinced to stay. He would also attract the three or four quality players that we need to add to the squad to push on and get us there. We would recover Rafa high salary in no time and it would lift our profile in the same way as signing Kevin Keegan did back at the time and very nearly won us the league title. We can afford to do this so come on Katharina, Ralph & Les show us the ambition don't go cheap, GO GET RAFA NOW !![/p][/quote]Of all the names touted, Rafa is the only one who inspires me. Get him on Board and there's a high chance that Adam and others will stay. Stuff Liverpool and their arrogance. Let's not try and up the Lallana price, let's simply say a firm, "No". With our inexperienced Board we need a strong positive manager at the helm. Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 1

9:35am Mon 2 Jun 14

Blackknight says...

Looks like the board have found a bit of backbone in refusing Liverpool's miserly £25 million bid for Lallana. Liverpool paid £35 million for Andy Carroll; so they can pay £30 million for Adam.

If Liverpool really want Lallana then they should stop whinging stump up the cash, and stop issuing take it leave it ultimatums.
Looks like the board have found a bit of backbone in refusing Liverpool's miserly £25 million bid for Lallana. Liverpool paid £35 million for Andy Carroll; so they can pay £30 million for Adam. If Liverpool really want Lallana then they should stop whinging stump up the cash, and stop issuing take it leave it ultimatums. Blackknight
  • Score: 4

9:38am Mon 2 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

andoru wrote:
Interesting tactic. Laying down an ultimatum over a player Saints don't really want to lose? So they're basically saying "Here's a deal you don't like. Take it or leave it."
Maybe Liverpool have got cold feet and are considering cheaper options.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: Interesting tactic. Laying down an ultimatum over a player Saints don't really want to lose? So they're basically saying "Here's a deal you don't like. Take it or leave it."[/p][/quote]Maybe Liverpool have got cold feet and are considering cheaper options. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 0

9:47am Mon 2 Jun 14

milton road says...

Because Adam Blackmore says something doesn't make it true. I mean after all how much of what the Echo or any other paper prints on Saints has been true in transfer rumours and rumour mongering? Not alot.
Even if Adam puts in a transfer request it doesn't mean that Saints have to drop their price. The papers all do lazy journalism and trawl each others webs for sensationalism. This is big news for papers becuase the more they get hit on their web pages with their adverts the more money they generate for the papaer. The truth is often in short supply.
Adam has not openly stated he wants to leave the club at any point, he has stated that he like Luke is happy to wait until after the world cup to discuss his future. That his future at Saints is not necessarily over. This bullying by papers and Liverpool is not acceptable, the club must stand firm for what they believe to be the right price if Adam wants to go and do not sell if he is not sure. Even if Adam puts ina request it does not mean the club have to sell him at Liverpool's price or any other price that does not meet their evaluation.
Because Adam Blackmore says something doesn't make it true. I mean after all how much of what the Echo or any other paper prints on Saints has been true in transfer rumours and rumour mongering? Not alot. Even if Adam puts in a transfer request it doesn't mean that Saints have to drop their price. The papers all do lazy journalism and trawl each others webs for sensationalism. This is big news for papers becuase the more they get hit on their web pages with their adverts the more money they generate for the papaer. The truth is often in short supply. Adam has not openly stated he wants to leave the club at any point, he has stated that he like Luke is happy to wait until after the world cup to discuss his future. That his future at Saints is not necessarily over. This bullying by papers and Liverpool is not acceptable, the club must stand firm for what they believe to be the right price if Adam wants to go and do not sell if he is not sure. Even if Adam puts ina request it does not mean the club have to sell him at Liverpool's price or any other price that does not meet their evaluation. milton road
  • Score: 5

9:49am Mon 2 Jun 14

Jesus_02 says...

I think the board should issue a statement directed at Hodgeson wishing him well but apologising that our England Players won’t be sold before the WC.

The man is out of line trying to force deals through for Adam and Luke, and congratulating Ricky out of turn.
I think the board should issue a statement directed at Hodgeson wishing him well but apologising that our England Players won’t be sold before the WC. The man is out of line trying to force deals through for Adam and Luke, and congratulating Ricky out of turn. Jesus_02
  • Score: 8

9:49am Mon 2 Jun 14

Costa Baz says...

One problem, IMO, is that Cortese had an open door approach, where the players were concerned, and did adopt a father figure role, with them.

Les Reed, it would appear, is the opposite, if Steven Gerrard's autobiography is to be believed.
He slated Reed for not being more supportive, when he had his first England call up, preferring to say things like "get on with" etc rather than put an arm round his shoulder and mollycoddle him.

It would be good if the board countered the accusation, of players being ignored, with a statement of their own, because there are always two sides to a story.

The players are all aware of the club's situation, as in not having a manager.
Had MP not strung the board along, over contract talks, we may have had a new man here, by now, in which case some of these issues would not be arising.

I can't help think that some players are being led by others, as is often the case in peer groups, with the stronger minded players using the others to gain more credence for their perceived grievances.
Personally, given the happenings over the last week, it disgusts me that any player is making matters worse, for OUR club, by not waiting for a new manager to be installed, and then airing their concerns when the relevant people, including the new manager, are able to answer all questions raised.
One problem, IMO, is that Cortese had an open door approach, where the players were concerned, and did adopt a father figure role, with them. Les Reed, it would appear, is the opposite, if Steven Gerrard's autobiography is to be believed. He slated Reed for not being more supportive, when he had his first England call up, preferring to say things like "get on with" etc rather than put an arm round his shoulder and mollycoddle him. It would be good if the board countered the accusation, of players being ignored, with a statement of their own, because there are always two sides to a story. The players are all aware of the club's situation, as in not having a manager. Had MP not strung the board along, over contract talks, we may have had a new man here, by now, in which case some of these issues would not be arising. I can't help think that some players are being led by others, as is often the case in peer groups, with the stronger minded players using the others to gain more credence for their perceived grievances. Personally, given the happenings over the last week, it disgusts me that any player is making matters worse, for OUR club, by not waiting for a new manager to be installed, and then airing their concerns when the relevant people, including the new manager, are able to answer all questions raised. Costa Baz
  • Score: 3

9:55am Mon 2 Jun 14

callcopse says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
When Suarez wanted to leave Liverpool a year ago, the club refused. Liverpool were in no position to issue their ultimatum regarding Rickie Lambert last week and it is again not Liverpool's place to dictate to Saints about Adam Lallana. Liverpool rightly have a selfish approach to keeping their best players and to using tactics to persuade other clubs to sell players to them.

On the face of it, Rickie's transfer to Liverpool shows that Saints are being kind to the player in letting him move to his home city club. I am now thinking that Rickie would not have known anything more than media rumours about Liverpool's approach to Saints if Saints had refused Liverpool permission to talk to Rickie. I therefore reject the idea that Saints actually wanted Rickie to remain a Southampton player. Logic hopefully tells me that Saints already have players in mind, one of whom might replace Rickie.

Unlike many of my fellow staunch Saints fans, I do not believe for even a moment that Southampton FC's board of directors are at all naive about player sales. What I do believe is that the club is keeping quiet as usual and that we fans will get good news in due course. We will soon have a new manager. Perhaps the sackings of Jason Dodd and Paul Williams might have happened as part of preparing the way for the employment of a whole new coaching team. Jason and Paul were sacked BEFORE Mauricio Pochettino left the club. The Saints board would possibly therefore have already known Mauricio Pochettino was leaving the club.

I think the Saints board of directors are currently making some hard headed decisions for the ultimate benefit of the club. There might be players sold, but only on Saints' terms, not their competitors' terms. The Saints first team squad was not large enough during the 2013/2014 season and players have since then been released or sold by the club, making the squad even smaller. The club has indicated that players do not have to be sold. I look forward to the squad being enlarged with players of appropriate quality to help the further progress of Southampton FC.

We do not know as yet if Saints will sell any more players, but if any are sold, I think the club will get the best possible transfer fees and use the money to increase numbers and overall quality in the first team squad. I shall remain patient and keep faith that by the end of this close season, Saints will be ready for the new season with a new manager and coaching team and some better players.

The media have reported that almost all our best players will be sold, but that is very obviously bull manure.
Leo Ulloa is one rumour to replace Lambo. Probably a better bet than Dani anyway.
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: When Suarez wanted to leave Liverpool a year ago, the club refused. Liverpool were in no position to issue their ultimatum regarding Rickie Lambert last week and it is again not Liverpool's place to dictate to Saints about Adam Lallana. Liverpool rightly have a selfish approach to keeping their best players and to using tactics to persuade other clubs to sell players to them. On the face of it, Rickie's transfer to Liverpool shows that Saints are being kind to the player in letting him move to his home city club. I am now thinking that Rickie would not have known anything more than media rumours about Liverpool's approach to Saints if Saints had refused Liverpool permission to talk to Rickie. I therefore reject the idea that Saints actually wanted Rickie to remain a Southampton player. Logic hopefully tells me that Saints already have players in mind, one of whom might replace Rickie. Unlike many of my fellow staunch Saints fans, I do not believe for even a moment that Southampton FC's board of directors are at all naive about player sales. What I do believe is that the club is keeping quiet as usual and that we fans will get good news in due course. We will soon have a new manager. Perhaps the sackings of Jason Dodd and Paul Williams might have happened as part of preparing the way for the employment of a whole new coaching team. Jason and Paul were sacked BEFORE Mauricio Pochettino left the club. The Saints board would possibly therefore have already known Mauricio Pochettino was leaving the club. I think the Saints board of directors are currently making some hard headed decisions for the ultimate benefit of the club. There might be players sold, but only on Saints' terms, not their competitors' terms. The Saints first team squad was not large enough during the 2013/2014 season and players have since then been released or sold by the club, making the squad even smaller. The club has indicated that players do not have to be sold. I look forward to the squad being enlarged with players of appropriate quality to help the further progress of Southampton FC. We do not know as yet if Saints will sell any more players, but if any are sold, I think the club will get the best possible transfer fees and use the money to increase numbers and overall quality in the first team squad. I shall remain patient and keep faith that by the end of this close season, Saints will be ready for the new season with a new manager and coaching team and some better players. The media have reported that almost all our best players will be sold, but that is very obviously bull manure.[/p][/quote]Leo Ulloa is one rumour to replace Lambo. Probably a better bet than Dani anyway. callcopse
  • Score: 0

10:04am Mon 2 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

circa 66 saint wrote:
As stated on another thread if ADAM really wants to go and its because of champions league football and not the MONEY then he should put in a written transfer request and pay b,mouths % .
But of course he may not want to go .
.... which we should turn down flat. Request is the word - he's contracted... for a long time. £25 million is not enough and judging by previous 'reported' fees this is probably £20 million absolute maximum with annoying and pointless add ons. Liverpool valued Andy Carroll at £50 million, they said £40 million for Suarez was an insult. Works both ways. Tell them to go jump.

Out of interest - is Roy going to get his dream of a Liverpool/England XI soon? Looking that way.
[quote][p][bold]circa 66 saint[/bold] wrote: As stated on another thread if ADAM really wants to go and its because of champions league football and not the MONEY then he should put in a written transfer request and pay b,mouths % . But of course he may not want to go .[/p][/quote].... which we should turn down flat. Request is the word - he's contracted... for a long time. £25 million is not enough and judging by previous 'reported' fees this is probably £20 million absolute maximum with annoying and pointless add ons. Liverpool valued Andy Carroll at £50 million, they said £40 million for Suarez was an insult. Works both ways. Tell them to go jump. Out of interest - is Roy going to get his dream of a Liverpool/England XI soon? Looking that way. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

10:04am Mon 2 Jun 14

Alicesdad says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
When Suarez wanted to leave Liverpool a year ago, the club refused. Liverpool were in no position to issue their ultimatum regarding Rickie Lambert last week and it is again not Liverpool's place to dictate to Saints about Adam Lallana. Liverpool rightly have a selfish approach to keeping their best players and to using tactics to persuade other clubs to sell players to them.

On the face of it, Rickie's transfer to Liverpool shows that Saints are being kind to the player in letting him move to his home city club. I am now thinking that Rickie would not have known anything more than media rumours about Liverpool's approach to Saints if Saints had refused Liverpool permission to talk to Rickie. I therefore reject the idea that Saints actually wanted Rickie to remain a Southampton player. Logic hopefully tells me that Saints already have players in mind, one of whom might replace Rickie.

Unlike many of my fellow staunch Saints fans, I do not believe for even a moment that Southampton FC's board of directors are at all naive about player sales. What I do believe is that the club is keeping quiet as usual and that we fans will get good news in due course. We will soon have a new manager. Perhaps the sackings of Jason Dodd and Paul Williams might have happened as part of preparing the way for the employment of a whole new coaching team. Jason and Paul were sacked BEFORE Mauricio Pochettino left the club. The Saints board would possibly therefore have already known Mauricio Pochettino was leaving the club.

I think the Saints board of directors are currently making some hard headed decisions for the ultimate benefit of the club. There might be players sold, but only on Saints' terms, not their competitors' terms. The Saints first team squad was not large enough during the 2013/2014 season and players have since then been released or sold by the club, making the squad even smaller. The club has indicated that players do not have to be sold. I look forward to the squad being enlarged with players of appropriate quality to help the further progress of Southampton FC.

We do not know as yet if Saints will sell any more players, but if any are sold, I think the club will get the best possible transfer fees and use the money to increase numbers and overall quality in the first team squad. I shall remain patient and keep faith that by the end of this close season, Saints will be ready for the new season with a new manager and coaching team and some better players.

The media have reported that almost all our best players will be sold, but that is very obviously bull manure.
If Carlsberg wrote on these threads ....
Probably the best post on any thread since the news of Pochetino broke.
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: When Suarez wanted to leave Liverpool a year ago, the club refused. Liverpool were in no position to issue their ultimatum regarding Rickie Lambert last week and it is again not Liverpool's place to dictate to Saints about Adam Lallana. Liverpool rightly have a selfish approach to keeping their best players and to using tactics to persuade other clubs to sell players to them. On the face of it, Rickie's transfer to Liverpool shows that Saints are being kind to the player in letting him move to his home city club. I am now thinking that Rickie would not have known anything more than media rumours about Liverpool's approach to Saints if Saints had refused Liverpool permission to talk to Rickie. I therefore reject the idea that Saints actually wanted Rickie to remain a Southampton player. Logic hopefully tells me that Saints already have players in mind, one of whom might replace Rickie. Unlike many of my fellow staunch Saints fans, I do not believe for even a moment that Southampton FC's board of directors are at all naive about player sales. What I do believe is that the club is keeping quiet as usual and that we fans will get good news in due course. We will soon have a new manager. Perhaps the sackings of Jason Dodd and Paul Williams might have happened as part of preparing the way for the employment of a whole new coaching team. Jason and Paul were sacked BEFORE Mauricio Pochettino left the club. The Saints board would possibly therefore have already known Mauricio Pochettino was leaving the club. I think the Saints board of directors are currently making some hard headed decisions for the ultimate benefit of the club. There might be players sold, but only on Saints' terms, not their competitors' terms. The Saints first team squad was not large enough during the 2013/2014 season and players have since then been released or sold by the club, making the squad even smaller. The club has indicated that players do not have to be sold. I look forward to the squad being enlarged with players of appropriate quality to help the further progress of Southampton FC. We do not know as yet if Saints will sell any more players, but if any are sold, I think the club will get the best possible transfer fees and use the money to increase numbers and overall quality in the first team squad. I shall remain patient and keep faith that by the end of this close season, Saints will be ready for the new season with a new manager and coaching team and some better players. The media have reported that almost all our best players will be sold, but that is very obviously bull manure.[/p][/quote]If Carlsberg wrote on these threads .... Probably the best post on any thread since the news of Pochetino broke. Alicesdad
  • Score: 4

10:17am Mon 2 Jun 14

Confucious says...

Good. Scousers are trying to buy Adam just two weeks before he goes on display in the biggest shop window in the world. We're in no rush at all.
Good. Scousers are trying to buy Adam just two weeks before he goes on display in the biggest shop window in the world. We're in no rush at all. Confucious
  • Score: 6

10:26am Mon 2 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Confucious wrote:
Good. Scousers are trying to buy Adam just two weeks before he goes on display in the biggest shop window in the world. We're in no rush at all.
I think the Scousers are silently monitoring the thread too Confucius,you just got a thumbs down for that!
Fookin' divvy's!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Good. Scousers are trying to buy Adam just two weeks before he goes on display in the biggest shop window in the world. We're in no rush at all.[/p][/quote]I think the Scousers are silently monitoring the thread too Confucius,you just got a thumbs down for that! Fookin' divvy's! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

10:33am Mon 2 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF PRAISE AND BACKING FOR THE QUALITY OF THE BOARD IN SOME QUARTERS.

This is a UNIQUE period in the history of SFC.

Surely we can progress - break into the Top Group - keep players - get a Top Manager etc.

The Board have had a comfortable few years - NOW IS THE TIME TO EARN THEIR CORN - by skilfully progressing this Club.

I have been told that they are excepional individuals after all. COYR
THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF PRAISE AND BACKING FOR THE QUALITY OF THE BOARD IN SOME QUARTERS. This is a UNIQUE period in the history of SFC. Surely we can progress - break into the Top Group - keep players - get a Top Manager etc. The Board have had a comfortable few years - NOW IS THE TIME TO EARN THEIR CORN - by skilfully progressing this Club. I have been told that they are excepional individuals after all. COYR The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -3

10:37am Mon 2 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I know I am biased, but why do the Press make it appear that it is Southampton FCs fault that it isn't happening? It takes two to tango, if we actually have made a statement about the price, (there is no proof that they have) then that is what they are asking for, if it is too much, fair enough everybody moves on. Has anyone heard Adam say that he wants to go, if so who to and when?
If and when there are some bona fide statements, only then will I believe the truth. Head in the sand? Well maybe, head in the clouds, well perhaps.
I know I am biased, but why do the Press make it appear that it is Southampton FCs fault that it isn't happening? It takes two to tango, if we actually have made a statement about the price, (there is no proof that they have) then that is what they are asking for, if it is too much, fair enough everybody moves on. Has anyone heard Adam say that he wants to go, if so who to and when? If and when there are some bona fide statements, only then will I believe the truth. Head in the sand? Well maybe, head in the clouds, well perhaps. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

10:44am Mon 2 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF PRAISE AND BACKING FOR THE QUALITY OF THE BOARD IN SOME QUARTERS.

This is a UNIQUE period in the history of SFC.

Surely we can progress - break into the Top Group - keep players - get a Top Manager etc.

The Board have had a comfortable few years - NOW IS THE TIME TO EARN THEIR CORN - by skilfully progressing this Club.

I have been told that they are excepional individuals after all. COYR
I agree but I see no proof of it yet, as they aren't telling us what is going on, I have faith that they are keeping their cards close to their chest for good reason, but just a little information would say a hell of a lot. The reason we have so many negative reactions on here, is based on anxiety and fearing the worst all of the time. I can understand the angst, but it is a minefield, an ideal situation for people to spread despondency and mischief. Loyal fans deserve better treatment than this. In my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF PRAISE AND BACKING FOR THE QUALITY OF THE BOARD IN SOME QUARTERS. This is a UNIQUE period in the history of SFC. Surely we can progress - break into the Top Group - keep players - get a Top Manager etc. The Board have had a comfortable few years - NOW IS THE TIME TO EARN THEIR CORN - by skilfully progressing this Club. I have been told that they are excepional individuals after all. COYR[/p][/quote]I agree but I see no proof of it yet, as they aren't telling us what is going on, I have faith that they are keeping their cards close to their chest for good reason, but just a little information would say a hell of a lot. The reason we have so many negative reactions on here, is based on anxiety and fearing the worst all of the time. I can understand the angst, but it is a minefield, an ideal situation for people to spread despondency and mischief. Loyal fans deserve better treatment than this. In my opinion. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

10:49am Mon 2 Jun 14

redandy10 says...

You've got to love the Happy Clappers. In my two years of posting I have NEVER seen them CORRECT about ANYTHING. It beggars belief!!!

They believed that aiming for European qualification within two years of being promoted was CRAZY. We finished 8th this past season!!!
They didn't like NC.
They wanted Adkins to stay. "What good would a new manager do?" I'd say about ten positions in the league!
They found no problems with the slow, aimless way we played under Nigel.
They didn't want Poch.
They believed that we would KEEP Poch & all the lads because they were under contract & LES REED SAID!!! (Who could forget the classic, "Are you calling Les Reed a liar?".)
They believe that other fans are being over-dramatic in their response to the events of the last week.

It's an endless list of sticking their heads in the sand, yet they still spout their guff on here, even though their previous record is such a joke.

They haven't been right about ONE THING. On the one hand it's UNBELIEVABLE and on the other it's HYSTERICALLY FUNNY!

I'm sorry but I don't buy for a second that fans could be so oblivious to reality. They are definitely on the WIND-UP, and to be fair to them they're quite good at it!!!
And it goes without saying that osprey & his alter egos account for half of them!
You've got to love the Happy Clappers. In my two years of posting I have NEVER seen them CORRECT about ANYTHING. It beggars belief!!! They believed that aiming for European qualification within two years of being promoted was CRAZY. We finished 8th this past season!!! They didn't like NC. They wanted Adkins to stay. "What good would a new manager do?" I'd say about ten positions in the league! They found no problems with the slow, aimless way we played under Nigel. They didn't want Poch. They believed that we would KEEP Poch & all the lads because they were under contract & LES REED SAID!!! (Who could forget the classic, "Are you calling Les Reed a liar?".) They believe that other fans are being over-dramatic in their response to the events of the last week. It's an endless list of sticking their heads in the sand, yet they still spout their guff on here, even though their previous record is such a joke. They haven't been right about ONE THING. On the one hand it's UNBELIEVABLE and on the other it's HYSTERICALLY FUNNY! I'm sorry but I don't buy for a second that fans could be so oblivious to reality. They are definitely on the WIND-UP, and to be fair to them they're quite good at it!!! And it goes without saying that osprey & his alter egos account for half of them! redandy10
  • Score: -1

10:53am Mon 2 Jun 14

el caballo santos101 says...

so diverpool issue an `ultimatum` and we are expected to jump?
so what if diverpool move on, if the club want to sell there are plenty of other takers for lalla out there, preferably not in the prem.
if we refuse diverpools offer and lalla has a great world cup does anyone thin they wouldn't be in for him afterwards? if they are that desperate for him they will come back and either match the boards valuation or he wont be sold!
I get this feeling that they are trying to push the deal through before the world cup because they are worried they will lose the `diver in chief` suarez after it and every other club will know how much money they will have to spend. after they sold fernando torres to chelski for £50mill they went in for donkey from Newcastle, who knew what funds they had and managed to screw them for £35mill!
they are trying to get lalla on the cheap now and should be told to do one, if we don't need to sell players and they don't have a `buy-out` clause in their contracts then the obvious thing for us to do is wait until after the cup is done. by then we should have a new manager in place and know what direction we are going to take.
so diverpool issue an `ultimatum` and we are expected to jump? so what if diverpool move on, if the club want to sell there are plenty of other takers for lalla out there, preferably not in the prem. if we refuse diverpools offer and lalla has a great world cup does anyone thin they wouldn't be in for him afterwards? if they are that desperate for him they will come back and either match the boards valuation or he wont be sold! I get this feeling that they are trying to push the deal through before the world cup because they are worried they will lose the `diver in chief` suarez after it and every other club will know how much money they will have to spend. after they sold fernando torres to chelski for £50mill they went in for donkey from Newcastle, who knew what funds they had and managed to screw them for £35mill! they are trying to get lalla on the cheap now and should be told to do one, if we don't need to sell players and they don't have a `buy-out` clause in their contracts then the obvious thing for us to do is wait until after the cup is done. by then we should have a new manager in place and know what direction we are going to take. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 3

10:59am Mon 2 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redandy10 wrote:
You've got to love the Happy Clappers. In my two years of posting I have NEVER seen them CORRECT about ANYTHING. It beggars belief!!!

They believed that aiming for European qualification within two years of being promoted was CRAZY. We finished 8th this past season!!!
They didn't like NC.
They wanted Adkins to stay. "What good would a new manager do?" I'd say about ten positions in the league!
They found no problems with the slow, aimless way we played under Nigel.
They didn't want Poch.
They believed that we would KEEP Poch & all the lads because they were under contract & LES REED SAID!!! (Who could forget the classic, "Are you calling Les Reed a liar?".)
They believe that other fans are being over-dramatic in their response to the events of the last week.

It's an endless list of sticking their heads in the sand, yet they still spout their guff on here, even though their previous record is such a joke.

They haven't been right about ONE THING. On the one hand it's UNBELIEVABLE and on the other it's HYSTERICALLY FUNNY!

I'm sorry but I don't buy for a second that fans could be so oblivious to reality. They are definitely on the WIND-UP, and to be fair to them they're quite good at it!!!
And it goes without saying that osprey & his alter egos account for half of them!
I have no alter ego, (other than SAINTDON13 on not606, do you post on there or have you been blocked?) , you seem to be obsessed, perhaps judging me by your own low standards? One thing us happy clappers have got right, is that you get as much wrong as we do, if not more, IMO. I only believe reality when it appears in black and white from an official source, you seem to believe everything you read in the Daily Mirror, I know which is more realistic.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: You've got to love the Happy Clappers. In my two years of posting I have NEVER seen them CORRECT about ANYTHING. It beggars belief!!! They believed that aiming for European qualification within two years of being promoted was CRAZY. We finished 8th this past season!!! They didn't like NC. They wanted Adkins to stay. "What good would a new manager do?" I'd say about ten positions in the league! They found no problems with the slow, aimless way we played under Nigel. They didn't want Poch. They believed that we would KEEP Poch & all the lads because they were under contract & LES REED SAID!!! (Who could forget the classic, "Are you calling Les Reed a liar?".) They believe that other fans are being over-dramatic in their response to the events of the last week. It's an endless list of sticking their heads in the sand, yet they still spout their guff on here, even though their previous record is such a joke. They haven't been right about ONE THING. On the one hand it's UNBELIEVABLE and on the other it's HYSTERICALLY FUNNY! I'm sorry but I don't buy for a second that fans could be so oblivious to reality. They are definitely on the WIND-UP, and to be fair to them they're quite good at it!!! And it goes without saying that osprey & his alter egos account for half of them![/p][/quote]I have no alter ego, (other than SAINTDON13 on not606, do you post on there or have you been blocked?) , you seem to be obsessed, perhaps judging me by your own low standards? One thing us happy clappers have got right, is that you get as much wrong as we do, if not more, IMO. I only believe reality when it appears in black and white from an official source, you seem to believe everything you read in the Daily Mirror, I know which is more realistic. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

11:02am Mon 2 Jun 14

justaSaintsfan says...

Alicesdad wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
When Suarez wanted to leave Liverpool a year ago, the club refused. Liverpool were in no position to issue their ultimatum regarding Rickie Lambert last week and it is again not Liverpool's place to dictate to Saints about Adam Lallana. Liverpool rightly have a selfish approach to keeping their best players and to using tactics to persuade other clubs to sell players to them.

On the face of it, Rickie's transfer to Liverpool shows that Saints are being kind to the player in letting him move to his home city club. I am now thinking that Rickie would not have known anything more than media rumours about Liverpool's approach to Saints if Saints had refused Liverpool permission to talk to Rickie. I therefore reject the idea that Saints actually wanted Rickie to remain a Southampton player. Logic hopefully tells me that Saints already have players in mind, one of whom might replace Rickie.

Unlike many of my fellow staunch Saints fans, I do not believe for even a moment that Southampton FC's board of directors are at all naive about player sales. What I do believe is that the club is keeping quiet as usual and that we fans will get good news in due course. We will soon have a new manager. Perhaps the sackings of Jason Dodd and Paul Williams might have happened as part of preparing the way for the employment of a whole new coaching team. Jason and Paul were sacked BEFORE Mauricio Pochettino left the club. The Saints board would possibly therefore have already known Mauricio Pochettino was leaving the club.

I think the Saints board of directors are currently making some hard headed decisions for the ultimate benefit of the club. There might be players sold, but only on Saints' terms, not their competitors' terms. The Saints first team squad was not large enough during the 2013/2014 season and players have since then been released or sold by the club, making the squad even smaller. The club has indicated that players do not have to be sold. I look forward to the squad being enlarged with players of appropriate quality to help the further progress of Southampton FC.

We do not know as yet if Saints will sell any more players, but if any are sold, I think the club will get the best possible transfer fees and use the money to increase numbers and overall quality in the first team squad. I shall remain patient and keep faith that by the end of this close season, Saints will be ready for the new season with a new manager and coaching team and some better players.

The media have reported that almost all our best players will be sold, but that is very obviously bull manure.
If Carlsberg wrote on these threads ....
Probably the best post on any thread since the news of Pochetino broke.
Thanks for your too kind words, Alicesdad. Guess which brand of lager is my favourite tipple!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: When Suarez wanted to leave Liverpool a year ago, the club refused. Liverpool were in no position to issue their ultimatum regarding Rickie Lambert last week and it is again not Liverpool's place to dictate to Saints about Adam Lallana. Liverpool rightly have a selfish approach to keeping their best players and to using tactics to persuade other clubs to sell players to them. On the face of it, Rickie's transfer to Liverpool shows that Saints are being kind to the player in letting him move to his home city club. I am now thinking that Rickie would not have known anything more than media rumours about Liverpool's approach to Saints if Saints had refused Liverpool permission to talk to Rickie. I therefore reject the idea that Saints actually wanted Rickie to remain a Southampton player. Logic hopefully tells me that Saints already have players in mind, one of whom might replace Rickie. Unlike many of my fellow staunch Saints fans, I do not believe for even a moment that Southampton FC's board of directors are at all naive about player sales. What I do believe is that the club is keeping quiet as usual and that we fans will get good news in due course. We will soon have a new manager. Perhaps the sackings of Jason Dodd and Paul Williams might have happened as part of preparing the way for the employment of a whole new coaching team. Jason and Paul were sacked BEFORE Mauricio Pochettino left the club. The Saints board would possibly therefore have already known Mauricio Pochettino was leaving the club. I think the Saints board of directors are currently making some hard headed decisions for the ultimate benefit of the club. There might be players sold, but only on Saints' terms, not their competitors' terms. The Saints first team squad was not large enough during the 2013/2014 season and players have since then been released or sold by the club, making the squad even smaller. The club has indicated that players do not have to be sold. I look forward to the squad being enlarged with players of appropriate quality to help the further progress of Southampton FC. We do not know as yet if Saints will sell any more players, but if any are sold, I think the club will get the best possible transfer fees and use the money to increase numbers and overall quality in the first team squad. I shall remain patient and keep faith that by the end of this close season, Saints will be ready for the new season with a new manager and coaching team and some better players. The media have reported that almost all our best players will be sold, but that is very obviously bull manure.[/p][/quote]If Carlsberg wrote on these threads .... Probably the best post on any thread since the news of Pochetino broke.[/p][/quote]Thanks for your too kind words, Alicesdad. Guess which brand of lager is my favourite tipple! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 0

11:05am Mon 2 Jun 14

Saintlee72 says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
I think the board should issue a statement directed at Hodgeson wishing him well but apologising that our England Players won’t be sold before the WC.

The man is out of line trying to force deals through for Adam and Luke, and congratulating Ricky out of turn.
Although i agree with what you're saying in some respects, I'm not so sure Roy Hodgson was being derogatory towards Saints in any way, shape or form. I think he is genuinely happy for Sir Rickie of Lambert. As pained as I am to see him leave us, I am also genuinely happy for him and I can take some consolation in the fact, I'm pretty sure Liverpool is the only club I think he would have left us for willingly.

Just been confirmed on SSN, that he has officially signed for them.

Thanks Rickie and good luck, but not against us !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: I think the board should issue a statement directed at Hodgeson wishing him well but apologising that our England Players won’t be sold before the WC. The man is out of line trying to force deals through for Adam and Luke, and congratulating Ricky out of turn.[/p][/quote]Although i agree with what you're saying in some respects, I'm not so sure Roy Hodgson was being derogatory towards Saints in any way, shape or form. I think he is genuinely happy for Sir Rickie of Lambert. As pained as I am to see him leave us, I am also genuinely happy for him and I can take some consolation in the fact, I'm pretty sure Liverpool is the only club I think he would have left us for willingly. Just been confirmed on SSN, that he has officially signed for them. Thanks Rickie and good luck, but not against us !!!!! Saintlee72
  • Score: 1

11:12am Mon 2 Jun 14

Clever Dick says...

Stevie Gerrard. "Hey Adam put that f-cking phone down and get on with your training. Who you calling anyway"
Adam. "I'm trying to get through to the board at the Saints and I keep getting the same bl00dy message. It's saying no further calls are being answered till the day after the transfer window closes. Oh well not to worry . I've seen you in training and you're nowhere near as good as me. Think 'I'll stay where I am."
Stevie Gerrard. "Hey Adam put that f-cking phone down and get on with your training. Who you calling anyway" Adam. "I'm trying to get through to the board at the Saints and I keep getting the same bl00dy message. It's saying no further calls are being answered till the day after the transfer window closes. Oh well not to worry . I've seen you in training and you're nowhere near as good as me. Think 'I'll stay where I am." Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

11:24am Mon 2 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

My take on your points:-
They believed that aiming for European qualification within two years of being promoted was CRAZY. We finished 8th this past season!!!
We thought it unlikely but not impossible that we could qualify, we were right we didn't qualify did we?

They didn't like NC.
Not all liked NC because he wasn't a likeable individual, we did like what he did for us, were we right or wrong?

They wanted Adkins to stay. "What good would a new manager do?" I'd say about ten positions in the league! They found no problems with the slow, aimless way we played under Nigel, they didn't want Poch.

We didn't understand the need for change, it is hypothetical now whether NA could have hacked it, as he didn't get the chance, jury is still out on that one, were we right or wrong, who knows?

They believed that we would KEEP Poch & all the lads because they were under contract & LES REED SAID!!! (Who could forget the classic, "Are you calling Les Reed a liar?".)
No we hoped that we would keep Poch and the team, it wasn''t to be, so we accept that and move on, not blaming anyone, just accepting that change happens all the time.

They believe that other fans are being over-dramatic in their response to the events of the last week.
Some fans have over reacted and it isn't surprising considering the bilge presented to them in the press and perpetuated by so called know all posters on here, including your good self, I may sound critical and sceptical, because I just don't understand why you feel it is good to do so.
My take on your points:- They believed that aiming for European qualification within two years of being promoted was CRAZY. We finished 8th this past season!!! We thought it unlikely but not impossible that we could qualify, we were right we didn't qualify did we? They didn't like NC. Not all liked NC because he wasn't a likeable individual, we did like what he did for us, were we right or wrong? They wanted Adkins to stay. "What good would a new manager do?" I'd say about ten positions in the league! They found no problems with the slow, aimless way we played under Nigel, they didn't want Poch. We didn't understand the need for change, it is hypothetical now whether NA could have hacked it, as he didn't get the chance, jury is still out on that one, were we right or wrong, who knows? They believed that we would KEEP Poch & all the lads because they were under contract & LES REED SAID!!! (Who could forget the classic, "Are you calling Les Reed a liar?".) No we hoped that we would keep Poch and the team, it wasn''t to be, so we accept that and move on, not blaming anyone, just accepting that change happens all the time. They believe that other fans are being over-dramatic in their response to the events of the last week. Some fans have over reacted and it isn't surprising considering the bilge presented to them in the press and perpetuated by so called know all posters on here, including your good self, I may sound critical and sceptical, because I just don't understand why you feel it is good to do so. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

11:33am Mon 2 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Can I add my best wishes and good luck to Rickie Lambert, he will be forever a hero in the Southampton FC history, I only hope the final days of his football career are as good as the last four or five, except if he plays against us!
Can I add my best wishes and good luck to Rickie Lambert, he will be forever a hero in the Southampton FC history, I only hope the final days of his football career are as good as the last four or five, except if he plays against us! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

11:45am Mon 2 Jun 14

jls217 says...

" It is understood that Lallana and his representatives have been left disappointed at Southampton's lack of co-operation over the deal".

If we accept this sentence of the Skiverpool rag's report as being accurate I would say the Saints management team, on this, at least, should be applauded.

They aren't there to help Skiverpool snap their fingers and get what they want, likewise Lallana and his representatives.

What house owner thinks it's his/her duty to make it easier for someone to rob them of their posessions?

They are there to be obstructive, preventative, bloody minded, unreasonable, stubborn, and merciless in what they can either prevent or extract to the betterment of Saints FC

Pats on backs should come in equal measure to kicks up bums - well done whoever is responsible for "Lack of co-operation" Let's see some more of it please.
" It is understood that Lallana and his representatives have been left disappointed at Southampton's lack of co-operation over the deal". If we accept this sentence of the Skiverpool rag's report as being accurate I would say the Saints management team, on this, at least, should be applauded. They aren't there to help Skiverpool snap their fingers and get what they want, likewise Lallana and his representatives. What house owner thinks it's his/her duty to make it easier for someone to rob them of their posessions? They are there to be obstructive, preventative, bloody minded, unreasonable, stubborn, and merciless in what they can either prevent or extract to the betterment of Saints FC Pats on backs should come in equal measure to kicks up bums - well done whoever is responsible for "Lack of co-operation" Let's see some more of it please. jls217
  • Score: 4

12:06pm Mon 2 Jun 14

justaSaintsfan says...

redandy10 wrote:
You've got to love the Happy Clappers. In my two years of posting I have NEVER seen them CORRECT about ANYTHING. It beggars belief!!!

They believed that aiming for European qualification within two years of being promoted was CRAZY. We finished 8th this past season!!!
They didn't like NC.
They wanted Adkins to stay. "What good would a new manager do?" I'd say about ten positions in the league!
They found no problems with the slow, aimless way we played under Nigel.
They didn't want Poch.
They believed that we would KEEP Poch & all the lads because they were under contract & LES REED SAID!!! (Who could forget the classic, "Are you calling Les Reed a liar?".)
They believe that other fans are being over-dramatic in their response to the events of the last week.

It's an endless list of sticking their heads in the sand, yet they still spout their guff on here, even though their previous record is such a joke.

They haven't been right about ONE THING. On the one hand it's UNBELIEVABLE and on the other it's HYSTERICALLY FUNNY!

I'm sorry but I don't buy for a second that fans could be so oblivious to reality. They are definitely on the WIND-UP, and to be fair to them they're quite good at it!!!
And it goes without saying that osprey & his alter egos account for half of them!
redandy10, I am not writing about you, of course, but when people resort to the ridicule of others, it is usually a sign of their inability to make well reasoned points in a discussion.

I am always an optimist and I have long been a Saints fan, so I guess those positive traits qualify me as a "Happy Clapper" by your judgement. If that is the case, then I am proud that you have bestowed such an accolade upon me. Thank you very much for your very high praise.

I have, however, looked at the list of "Happy Clapper" achievements in your post and realised that only some your listed items apply to me. This persuades me to believe that plenty of my fellow, very wonderful "Happy Clappers" also find that some of the points on your list do not apply to them either! Your list of "Happy Clapper" achievements is therefore seriously flawed! I find that both BELIEVABLE and HYSTERICALLY FUNNY!!! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Once again I have refrained from insulting you and I still welcome any well reasoned posts you may wish to make in this forum. Thanks again for the attempted "Happy Clapper" insult, which I will always take as a compliment!!!

Up the Saints!
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: You've got to love the Happy Clappers. In my two years of posting I have NEVER seen them CORRECT about ANYTHING. It beggars belief!!! They believed that aiming for European qualification within two years of being promoted was CRAZY. We finished 8th this past season!!! They didn't like NC. They wanted Adkins to stay. "What good would a new manager do?" I'd say about ten positions in the league! They found no problems with the slow, aimless way we played under Nigel. They didn't want Poch. They believed that we would KEEP Poch & all the lads because they were under contract & LES REED SAID!!! (Who could forget the classic, "Are you calling Les Reed a liar?".) They believe that other fans are being over-dramatic in their response to the events of the last week. It's an endless list of sticking their heads in the sand, yet they still spout their guff on here, even though their previous record is such a joke. They haven't been right about ONE THING. On the one hand it's UNBELIEVABLE and on the other it's HYSTERICALLY FUNNY! I'm sorry but I don't buy for a second that fans could be so oblivious to reality. They are definitely on the WIND-UP, and to be fair to them they're quite good at it!!! And it goes without saying that osprey & his alter egos account for half of them![/p][/quote]redandy10, I am not writing about you, of course, but when people resort to the ridicule of others, it is usually a sign of their inability to make well reasoned points in a discussion. I am always an optimist and I have long been a Saints fan, so I guess those positive traits qualify me as a "Happy Clapper" by your judgement. If that is the case, then I am proud that you have bestowed such an accolade upon me. Thank you very much for your very high praise. I have, however, looked at the list of "Happy Clapper" achievements in your post and realised that only some your listed items apply to me. This persuades me to believe that plenty of my fellow, very wonderful "Happy Clappers" also find that some of the points on your list do not apply to them either! Your list of "Happy Clapper" achievements is therefore seriously flawed! I find that both BELIEVABLE and HYSTERICALLY FUNNY!!! Ha! Ha! Ha! Once again I have refrained from insulting you and I still welcome any well reasoned posts you may wish to make in this forum. Thanks again for the attempted "Happy Clapper" insult, which I will always take as a compliment!!! Up the Saints! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 4

12:13pm Mon 2 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

redandy10 wrote:
You've got to love the Happy Clappers. In my two years of posting I have NEVER seen them CORRECT about ANYTHING. It beggars belief!!!

They believed that aiming for European qualification within two years of being promoted was CRAZY. We finished 8th this past season!!!
They didn't like NC.
They wanted Adkins to stay. "What good would a new manager do?" I'd say about ten positions in the league!
They found no problems with the slow, aimless way we played under Nigel.
They didn't want Poch.
They believed that we would KEEP Poch & all the lads because they were under contract & LES REED SAID!!! (Who could forget the classic, "Are you calling Les Reed a liar?".)
They believe that other fans are being over-dramatic in their response to the events of the last week.

It's an endless list of sticking their heads in the sand, yet they still spout their guff on here, even though their previous record is such a joke.

They haven't been right about ONE THING. On the one hand it's UNBELIEVABLE and on the other it's HYSTERICALLY FUNNY!

I'm sorry but I don't buy for a second that fans could be so oblivious to reality. They are definitely on the WIND-UP, and to be fair to them they're quite good at it!!!
And it goes without saying that osprey & his alter egos account for half of them!
I think you're a bit wide of the mark on this post Redandy and your memory is being a bit selective to fit your argument.

As far as I'm aware, the whole stereotype of a happyclapper is that they support the club blindly whatever with no negativity about anything.

So, as I remember it, they supported Nicola Cortese, supported Nigel despite early poor results, supported him when he got sacked, but decided to give the new guy a chance, didn't moan when perhaps our style of play didn't get us the results our play deserved, and gave the board the benefit of the doubt when Cortese left the club.

I always thought the happyclappers supported Cortese - or indeed whoever was in charge of the club?

Yeah, I guess they always wanted to believe the best when rumours of Nigel leaving, Cortese going and Mo Po leaving surfaced, but that's just a side effect of the positivity. I don't remember anyone, positive, negative or in between thinking Poch was a good appointment at the time.

I did hope for the best on Mo Po staying, but did feel wary that they hadn't acted during the season.

I think at the end of the day you judge people on actions and, at the moment, the board aren't filling me with optimism.

I've given them the benefit of the doubt, but that changed with the timing of the Mo Po departure, Krueger interview and Lambert sale.

I'd still like to feel optimistic that they aren't as bad as I think they are and can show some strength in keeping Adam and appointing a good manager, but I'm feeling pretty pessimistic based on what we've seen so far.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: You've got to love the Happy Clappers. In my two years of posting I have NEVER seen them CORRECT about ANYTHING. It beggars belief!!! They believed that aiming for European qualification within two years of being promoted was CRAZY. We finished 8th this past season!!! They didn't like NC. They wanted Adkins to stay. "What good would a new manager do?" I'd say about ten positions in the league! They found no problems with the slow, aimless way we played under Nigel. They didn't want Poch. They believed that we would KEEP Poch & all the lads because they were under contract & LES REED SAID!!! (Who could forget the classic, "Are you calling Les Reed a liar?".) They believe that other fans are being over-dramatic in their response to the events of the last week. It's an endless list of sticking their heads in the sand, yet they still spout their guff on here, even though their previous record is such a joke. They haven't been right about ONE THING. On the one hand it's UNBELIEVABLE and on the other it's HYSTERICALLY FUNNY! I'm sorry but I don't buy for a second that fans could be so oblivious to reality. They are definitely on the WIND-UP, and to be fair to them they're quite good at it!!! And it goes without saying that osprey & his alter egos account for half of them![/p][/quote]I think you're a bit wide of the mark on this post Redandy and your memory is being a bit selective to fit your argument. As far as I'm aware, the whole stereotype of a happyclapper is that they support the club blindly whatever with no negativity about anything. So, as I remember it, they supported Nicola Cortese, supported Nigel despite early poor results, supported him when he got sacked, but decided to give the new guy a chance, didn't moan when perhaps our style of play didn't get us the results our play deserved, and gave the board the benefit of the doubt when Cortese left the club. I always thought the happyclappers supported Cortese - or indeed whoever was in charge of the club? Yeah, I guess they always wanted to believe the best when rumours of Nigel leaving, Cortese going and Mo Po leaving surfaced, but that's just a side effect of the positivity. I don't remember anyone, positive, negative or in between thinking Poch was a good appointment at the time. I did hope for the best on Mo Po staying, but did feel wary that they hadn't acted during the season. I think at the end of the day you judge people on actions and, at the moment, the board aren't filling me with optimism. I've given them the benefit of the doubt, but that changed with the timing of the Mo Po departure, Krueger interview and Lambert sale. I'd still like to feel optimistic that they aren't as bad as I think they are and can show some strength in keeping Adam and appointing a good manager, but I'm feeling pretty pessimistic based on what we've seen so far. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

12:16pm Mon 2 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

RK quote (see separate thread) "We are staying true to our plan and vision and, as a result, we have no need to accept any offers.

"We are deep in the process of appointing a new manager who will continue to move our club forward".

That's what I wanted to hear, now cue the disbelievers.
RK quote (see separate thread) "We are staying true to our plan and vision and, as a result, we have no need to accept any offers. "We are deep in the process of appointing a new manager who will continue to move our club forward". That's what I wanted to hear, now cue the disbelievers. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

1:23pm Mon 2 Jun 14

jls217 says...

SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
You've got to love the Happy Clappers. In my two years of posting I have NEVER seen them CORRECT about ANYTHING. It beggars belief!!!

They believed that aiming for European qualification within two years of being promoted was CRAZY. We finished 8th this past season!!!
They didn't like NC.
They wanted Adkins to stay. "What good would a new manager do?" I'd say about ten positions in the league!
They found no problems with the slow, aimless way we played under Nigel.
They didn't want Poch.
They believed that we would KEEP Poch & all the lads because they were under contract & LES REED SAID!!! (Who could forget the classic, "Are you calling Les Reed a liar?".)
They believe that other fans are being over-dramatic in their response to the events of the last week.

It's an endless list of sticking their heads in the sand, yet they still spout their guff on here, even though their previous record is such a joke.

They haven't been right about ONE THING. On the one hand it's UNBELIEVABLE and on the other it's HYSTERICALLY FUNNY!

I'm sorry but I don't buy for a second that fans could be so oblivious to reality. They are definitely on the WIND-UP, and to be fair to them they're quite good at it!!!
And it goes without saying that osprey & his alter egos account for half of them!
I think you're a bit wide of the mark on this post Redandy and your memory is being a bit selective to fit your argument.

As far as I'm aware, the whole stereotype of a happyclapper is that they support the club blindly whatever with no negativity about anything.

So, as I remember it, they supported Nicola Cortese, supported Nigel despite early poor results, supported him when he got sacked, but decided to give the new guy a chance, didn't moan when perhaps our style of play didn't get us the results our play deserved, and gave the board the benefit of the doubt when Cortese left the club.

I always thought the happyclappers supported Cortese - or indeed whoever was in charge of the club?

Yeah, I guess they always wanted to believe the best when rumours of Nigel leaving, Cortese going and Mo Po leaving surfaced, but that's just a side effect of the positivity. I don't remember anyone, positive, negative or in between thinking Poch was a good appointment at the time.

I did hope for the best on Mo Po staying, but did feel wary that they hadn't acted during the season.

I think at the end of the day you judge people on actions and, at the moment, the board aren't filling me with optimism.

I've given them the benefit of the doubt, but that changed with the timing of the Mo Po departure, Krueger interview and Lambert sale.

I'd still like to feel optimistic that they aren't as bad as I think they are and can show some strength in keeping Adam and appointing a good manager, but I'm feeling pretty pessimistic based on what we've seen so far.
Don't lost the faith JD.
Bad players come and go, bad management comes and goes. Bad strips come and go. Bad stadiums have come and now gone.

At the end of all that is a club the you clearly feel happy to follow through the bad times (and gawd knows there's been too many of them) to the good like last season and next season's FA cup final.

Nothing wrong in hoping for a better season 'cos every season starts as the best ever and usually nose dives by Xmas leaving us with half a dozen injured and nothing in the pot to buy anyone in come Jan sales. Freddie and the management team is what we have - we won't change that - only results or Katarina will do that so just enjoy the ride whether it's going up or rocketing down it's still a great ride. Who's MoPo anyway?
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: You've got to love the Happy Clappers. In my two years of posting I have NEVER seen them CORRECT about ANYTHING. It beggars belief!!! They believed that aiming for European qualification within two years of being promoted was CRAZY. We finished 8th this past season!!! They didn't like NC. They wanted Adkins to stay. "What good would a new manager do?" I'd say about ten positions in the league! They found no problems with the slow, aimless way we played under Nigel. They didn't want Poch. They believed that we would KEEP Poch & all the lads because they were under contract & LES REED SAID!!! (Who could forget the classic, "Are you calling Les Reed a liar?".) They believe that other fans are being over-dramatic in their response to the events of the last week. It's an endless list of sticking their heads in the sand, yet they still spout their guff on here, even though their previous record is such a joke. They haven't been right about ONE THING. On the one hand it's UNBELIEVABLE and on the other it's HYSTERICALLY FUNNY! I'm sorry but I don't buy for a second that fans could be so oblivious to reality. They are definitely on the WIND-UP, and to be fair to them they're quite good at it!!! And it goes without saying that osprey & his alter egos account for half of them![/p][/quote]I think you're a bit wide of the mark on this post Redandy and your memory is being a bit selective to fit your argument. As far as I'm aware, the whole stereotype of a happyclapper is that they support the club blindly whatever with no negativity about anything. So, as I remember it, they supported Nicola Cortese, supported Nigel despite early poor results, supported him when he got sacked, but decided to give the new guy a chance, didn't moan when perhaps our style of play didn't get us the results our play deserved, and gave the board the benefit of the doubt when Cortese left the club. I always thought the happyclappers supported Cortese - or indeed whoever was in charge of the club? Yeah, I guess they always wanted to believe the best when rumours of Nigel leaving, Cortese going and Mo Po leaving surfaced, but that's just a side effect of the positivity. I don't remember anyone, positive, negative or in between thinking Poch was a good appointment at the time. I did hope for the best on Mo Po staying, but did feel wary that they hadn't acted during the season. I think at the end of the day you judge people on actions and, at the moment, the board aren't filling me with optimism. I've given them the benefit of the doubt, but that changed with the timing of the Mo Po departure, Krueger interview and Lambert sale. I'd still like to feel optimistic that they aren't as bad as I think they are and can show some strength in keeping Adam and appointing a good manager, but I'm feeling pretty pessimistic based on what we've seen so far.[/p][/quote]Don't lost the faith JD. Bad players come and go, bad management comes and goes. Bad strips come and go. Bad stadiums have come and now gone. At the end of all that is a club the you clearly feel happy to follow through the bad times (and gawd knows there's been too many of them) to the good like last season and next season's FA cup final. Nothing wrong in hoping for a better season 'cos every season starts as the best ever and usually nose dives by Xmas leaving us with half a dozen injured and nothing in the pot to buy anyone in come Jan sales. Freddie and the management team is what we have - we won't change that - only results or Katarina will do that so just enjoy the ride whether it's going up or rocketing down it's still a great ride. Who's MoPo anyway? jls217
  • Score: 1

2:49pm Mon 2 Jun 14

justaSaintsfan says...

SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
You've got to love the Happy Clappers. In my two years of posting I have NEVER seen them CORRECT about ANYTHING. It beggars belief!!!

They believed that aiming for European qualification within two years of being promoted was CRAZY. We finished 8th this past season!!!
They didn't like NC.
They wanted Adkins to stay. "What good would a new manager do?" I'd say about ten positions in the league!
They found no problems with the slow, aimless way we played under Nigel.
They didn't want Poch.
They believed that we would KEEP Poch & all the lads because they were under contract & LES REED SAID!!! (Who could forget the classic, "Are you calling Les Reed a liar?".)
They believe that other fans are being over-dramatic in their response to the events of the last week.

It's an endless list of sticking their heads in the sand, yet they still spout their guff on here, even though their previous record is such a joke.

They haven't been right about ONE THING. On the one hand it's UNBELIEVABLE and on the other it's HYSTERICALLY FUNNY!

I'm sorry but I don't buy for a second that fans could be so oblivious to reality. They are definitely on the WIND-UP, and to be fair to them they're quite good at it!!!
And it goes without saying that osprey & his alter egos account for half of them!
I think you're a bit wide of the mark on this post Redandy and your memory is being a bit selective to fit your argument.

As far as I'm aware, the whole stereotype of a happyclapper is that they support the club blindly whatever with no negativity about anything.

So, as I remember it, they supported Nicola Cortese, supported Nigel despite early poor results, supported him when he got sacked, but decided to give the new guy a chance, didn't moan when perhaps our style of play didn't get us the results our play deserved, and gave the board the benefit of the doubt when Cortese left the club.

I always thought the happyclappers supported Cortese - or indeed whoever was in charge of the club?

Yeah, I guess they always wanted to believe the best when rumours of Nigel leaving, Cortese going and Mo Po leaving surfaced, but that's just a side effect of the positivity. I don't remember anyone, positive, negative or in between thinking Poch was a good appointment at the time.

I did hope for the best on Mo Po staying, but did feel wary that they hadn't acted during the season.

I think at the end of the day you judge people on actions and, at the moment, the board aren't filling me with optimism.

I've given them the benefit of the doubt, but that changed with the timing of the Mo Po departure, Krueger interview and Lambert sale.

I'd still like to feel optimistic that they aren't as bad as I think they are and can show some strength in keeping Adam and appointing a good manager, but I'm feeling pretty pessimistic based on what we've seen so far.
Please don't be downhearted, SaintJD. I think most of the current negativity about Saints is being caused by all the current, persistently negative fiction in the media.

I might be a "Happy Clapper," but I never blindly support anything to do with Saints. My optimism is borne out of five years of ongoing, remarkable improvement of Saints, thanks to Saint Markus and Katharina and many other very capable past and present employees of the club.

Right now it is the close season and there is obviously much going on at Southampton FC in preparation for next season. In common with most other football clubs, Saints have released some players and will employ some new players. Rickie Lambert wanted to go and the club decided he could go. It was a mutual decision. Mauricio Pochettino decided to leave, along with his coaches. These things are not so bad as the doom mongers probably think.

Soon Saints should appoint a new manager and coaching team and start acquiring some new, good players, all with the aim of helping the club continue its remarkable rise towards the top in this country. Saints have told us only positive words and I trust those words, but not blindly. I think we should wait and see who becomes Saints' new manager and which new players will be acquired. I am interested in only the facts, not the media's persistent bull manure about Saints. There is so far no reason for smelling all the negative bull manure, when just around the corner there might be a whole bunch of roses to smell.

I think we should have patience and remain as positive as during the last five years. I remain optimistic!!!
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: You've got to love the Happy Clappers. In my two years of posting I have NEVER seen them CORRECT about ANYTHING. It beggars belief!!! They believed that aiming for European qualification within two years of being promoted was CRAZY. We finished 8th this past season!!! They didn't like NC. They wanted Adkins to stay. "What good would a new manager do?" I'd say about ten positions in the league! They found no problems with the slow, aimless way we played under Nigel. They didn't want Poch. They believed that we would KEEP Poch & all the lads because they were under contract & LES REED SAID!!! (Who could forget the classic, "Are you calling Les Reed a liar?".) They believe that other fans are being over-dramatic in their response to the events of the last week. It's an endless list of sticking their heads in the sand, yet they still spout their guff on here, even though their previous record is such a joke. They haven't been right about ONE THING. On the one hand it's UNBELIEVABLE and on the other it's HYSTERICALLY FUNNY! I'm sorry but I don't buy for a second that fans could be so oblivious to reality. They are definitely on the WIND-UP, and to be fair to them they're quite good at it!!! And it goes without saying that osprey & his alter egos account for half of them![/p][/quote]I think you're a bit wide of the mark on this post Redandy and your memory is being a bit selective to fit your argument. As far as I'm aware, the whole stereotype of a happyclapper is that they support the club blindly whatever with no negativity about anything. So, as I remember it, they supported Nicola Cortese, supported Nigel despite early poor results, supported him when he got sacked, but decided to give the new guy a chance, didn't moan when perhaps our style of play didn't get us the results our play deserved, and gave the board the benefit of the doubt when Cortese left the club. I always thought the happyclappers supported Cortese - or indeed whoever was in charge of the club? Yeah, I guess they always wanted to believe the best when rumours of Nigel leaving, Cortese going and Mo Po leaving surfaced, but that's just a side effect of the positivity. I don't remember anyone, positive, negative or in between thinking Poch was a good appointment at the time. I did hope for the best on Mo Po staying, but did feel wary that they hadn't acted during the season. I think at the end of the day you judge people on actions and, at the moment, the board aren't filling me with optimism. I've given them the benefit of the doubt, but that changed with the timing of the Mo Po departure, Krueger interview and Lambert sale. I'd still like to feel optimistic that they aren't as bad as I think they are and can show some strength in keeping Adam and appointing a good manager, but I'm feeling pretty pessimistic based on what we've seen so far.[/p][/quote]Please don't be downhearted, SaintJD. I think most of the current negativity about Saints is being caused by all the current, persistently negative fiction in the media. I might be a "Happy Clapper," but I never blindly support anything to do with Saints. My optimism is borne out of five years of ongoing, remarkable improvement of Saints, thanks to Saint Markus and Katharina and many other very capable past and present employees of the club. Right now it is the close season and there is obviously much going on at Southampton FC in preparation for next season. In common with most other football clubs, Saints have released some players and will employ some new players. Rickie Lambert wanted to go and the club decided he could go. It was a mutual decision. Mauricio Pochettino decided to leave, along with his coaches. These things are not so bad as the doom mongers probably think. Soon Saints should appoint a new manager and coaching team and start acquiring some new, good players, all with the aim of helping the club continue its remarkable rise towards the top in this country. Saints have told us only positive words and I trust those words, but not blindly. I think we should wait and see who becomes Saints' new manager and which new players will be acquired. I am interested in only the facts, not the media's persistent bull manure about Saints. There is so far no reason for smelling all the negative bull manure, when just around the corner there might be a whole bunch of roses to smell. I think we should have patience and remain as positive as during the last five years. I remain optimistic!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 2

4:49pm Mon 2 Jun 14

el caballo santos101 says...

I find it very sad that on the day a saints legend leaves for his hometown club a `fan` feels his only post should be to take a swipe at other fans.
claiming that the `happy clappers` have only ever got things wrong and stick their heads in the sand is plainly wrong and again without any factual basis!
hardly any fans mentioned qualifying for Europe and it was in fact the manager and players who brought it up, fans then commented on those comments (is that not allowed?) WRONG
most fans liked NC for what he did for the club, and still do, when he was in charge many on here defended NC from attacks from certain posters who shall not be named! WRONG AGAIN!
most fans did want NA to stay and also mentioned the passing style but as it started to get results they could see the benefits, even though they wanted us to get the ball up the pitch quicker. SO WRONG AGAIN!
fans didn't want MP? really? most fans I know and on here didn't want NA to go but accepted the decision and were willing to give the new guy a go, as they do with most new managers, that's why the `white hanky waving` didn't work! SO AGAIN WRONG AND NOT FACTUAL AT ALL!
yes people believed MP would stay although most just `wanted` him to stay (there is a huge difference). yet not many people stated he would definitely go, not until just before he left anyway! WRONG YET AGAIN AND TWISTING FACTS TO SUIT!
we have sold 1 that's one player (so far) and have turned down bids for others (pretty much what Les Reed and Ralph have said) yes we sold SRL but that has been a one off, they didn't expect the bid and once SRL said he wanted to go they just couldn't stand in his way, and nor should they. WRONG, SO WRONG!
you can claim other fans are `sticking their heads in the sand` all you like but I know that many others, like myself, are waiting to see what the next step is. if we appoint a poor manager we will know what the `ambitions` are. for now there is no reason to slate everyone at the club or call the board all sorts of crude and abusive names. there is also no reason to slate fans who want to support the club and team. most fans don't believe all the press speculation and, as when NC was here, tend to wait for things to be announced on the OS before accepting things as facts.
some posters have been saying that Lalla and Luke are already gone and its a `done deal` for weeks and even when the club announce they have turned down the bids they refuse to believe it! I wonder whos wrong there.
carry on slating the club and the fans all you like, if that's what makes you happy the so be it. personally I will continue to support the club and team I have supported for years, that's what makes me happy. if you are proven to be right in your claims I`m sure you will be straight on this site to gloat about how you `told us so` I know that's what you are waiting for. if however the players aren't sold and we employ a good manager who has a good transfer kitty you wont see me on here gloating and telling you how wrong you were (again), no you will see me on here supporting the team, still as I say, whatever makes you happy!
I find it very sad that on the day a saints legend leaves for his hometown club a `fan` feels his only post should be to take a swipe at other fans. claiming that the `happy clappers` have only ever got things wrong and stick their heads in the sand is plainly wrong and again without any factual basis! hardly any fans mentioned qualifying for Europe and it was in fact the manager and players who brought it up, fans then commented on those comments (is that not allowed?) WRONG most fans liked NC for what he did for the club, and still do, when he was in charge many on here defended NC from attacks from certain posters who shall not be named! WRONG AGAIN! most fans did want NA to stay and also mentioned the passing style but as it started to get results they could see the benefits, even though they wanted us to get the ball up the pitch quicker. SO WRONG AGAIN! fans didn't want MP? really? most fans I know and on here didn't want NA to go but accepted the decision and were willing to give the new guy a go, as they do with most new managers, that's why the `white hanky waving` didn't work! SO AGAIN WRONG AND NOT FACTUAL AT ALL! yes people believed MP would stay although most just `wanted` him to stay (there is a huge difference). yet not many people stated he would definitely go, not until just before he left anyway! WRONG YET AGAIN AND TWISTING FACTS TO SUIT! we have sold 1 that's one player (so far) and have turned down bids for others (pretty much what Les Reed and Ralph have said) yes we sold SRL but that has been a one off, they didn't expect the bid and once SRL said he wanted to go they just couldn't stand in his way, and nor should they. WRONG, SO WRONG! you can claim other fans are `sticking their heads in the sand` all you like but I know that many others, like myself, are waiting to see what the next step is. if we appoint a poor manager we will know what the `ambitions` are. for now there is no reason to slate everyone at the club or call the board all sorts of crude and abusive names. there is also no reason to slate fans who want to support the club and team. most fans don't believe all the press speculation and, as when NC was here, tend to wait for things to be announced on the OS before accepting things as facts. some posters have been saying that Lalla and Luke are already gone and its a `done deal` for weeks and even when the club announce they have turned down the bids they refuse to believe it! I wonder whos wrong there. carry on slating the club and the fans all you like, if that's what makes you happy the so be it. personally I will continue to support the club and team I have supported for years, that's what makes me happy. if you are proven to be right in your claims I`m sure you will be straight on this site to gloat about how you `told us so` I know that's what you are waiting for. if however the players aren't sold and we employ a good manager who has a good transfer kitty you wont see me on here gloating and telling you how wrong you were (again), no you will see me on here supporting the team, still as I say, whatever makes you happy! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 2

6:15pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Freddie Flowerpot says...

No point in keeping a player who wants out, their form suffers and then their valuation falls.

Now he's part of the England set up, of course he wants to play in the CL.

You just can't keep hold of players who want to leave anymore, I'm struggling to think of an example where a mid table club keeps their star players when the big boys come knocking.
No point in keeping a player who wants out, their form suffers and then their valuation falls. Now he's part of the England set up, of course he wants to play in the CL. You just can't keep hold of players who want to leave anymore, I'm struggling to think of an example where a mid table club keeps their star players when the big boys come knocking. Freddie Flowerpot
  • Score: -4

8:44pm Mon 2 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Lots of tweets saying that Adam has asked the Club verbally if he can leave, no sources quoted as usual and I doubt if his mind set is on his future here at the moment, I suspect more mischief making.
Lots of tweets saying that Adam has asked the Club verbally if he can leave, no sources quoted as usual and I doubt if his mind set is on his future here at the moment, I suspect more mischief making. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

8:52pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Freddie Flowerpot says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Lots of tweets saying that Adam has asked the Club verbally if he can leave, no sources quoted as usual and I doubt if his mind set is on his future here at the moment, I suspect more mischief making.
It's stated on the BBC Sport Website as well, they don't tend to make things up.it states that Lallana has told Southampton he wants to leave St Mary's when he returns from the World Cup.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Lots of tweets saying that Adam has asked the Club verbally if he can leave, no sources quoted as usual and I doubt if his mind set is on his future here at the moment, I suspect more mischief making.[/p][/quote]It's stated on the BBC Sport Website as well, they don't tend to make things up.it states that Lallana has told Southampton he wants to leave St Mary's when he returns from the World Cup. Freddie Flowerpot
  • Score: 0

10:46pm Mon 2 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Lots of tweets saying that Adam has asked the Club verbally if he can leave, no sources quoted as usual and I doubt if his mind set is on his future here at the moment, I suspect more mischief making.
It's stated on the BBC Sport Website as well, they don't tend to make things up.it states that Lallana has told Southampton he wants to leave St Mary's when he returns from the World Cup.
Yep just heard it on BBC news - hope it is media BS but fear Adam is just about to put the board through another test.

Has to go only for the very highest price due to sell on clause to B'muff but hope the board can delay it long enough to give them the chance to convince him he can get what he wants by seeing out his contract.
[quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Lots of tweets saying that Adam has asked the Club verbally if he can leave, no sources quoted as usual and I doubt if his mind set is on his future here at the moment, I suspect more mischief making.[/p][/quote]It's stated on the BBC Sport Website as well, they don't tend to make things up.it states that Lallana has told Southampton he wants to leave St Mary's when he returns from the World Cup.[/p][/quote]Yep just heard it on BBC news - hope it is media BS but fear Adam is just about to put the board through another test. Has to go only for the very highest price due to sell on clause to B'muff but hope the board can delay it long enough to give them the chance to convince him he can get what he wants by seeing out his contract. jls217
  • Score: 0

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