Big spending Saints' summer spree could reach £47.5m this week

Shane Long is set to join Southampton

Shane Long is set to join Southampton

First published in Sport Basingstoke Gazette: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Sports Writer

Saints are set to make this summer’s spending the most lavish in the club’s history as they aim to tie up deals for Shane Long and Florin Gardos.

Republic of Ireland striker Long is set to become the club’s second most expensive signing of all time after Saints agreed a £12.5m fee with Hull for his services.

Gardos will cover the centre half position vacated by Dejan Lovren if, as expected, he finally completes a switch from Steaua Bucharest for around £6m.

It will take Saints’ total spending this summer to around £47.5m. Saints have also splashed out £8m for Graziano Pelle, £11m for Dusan Tadic and £10m for Fraser Forster, as well as bringing in Ryan Bertrand and Saphir Taider on loan deals.

The duo’s arrival will also mean the squad is arguably boosted from the end of last season in terms of numbers.

Long and Gardos will make seven new arrivals this summer.

There have been five high profile sales – Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Luke Shaw, Lovren and Calum Chambers – which netted in excess of £90m.

Three others have departed, but they were not exactly in the running to play regularly. Dani Osvaldo has gone out on loan again, but was not at the club for the second half of last season anyway, while bit part player Guly do Prado has been released. Billy Sharp, who was totally out of the first team reckoning, has also been sold.

The move for Long is well advanced and could be confirmed as soon as today.

Hull were reluctant to sell the 27-year-old, having only signed him in January for £6m, but accepted that a £6.5m mark up in such a short space of time was just too good an offer to refuse.

Long was discovered playing for Cork City at the same time as Kevin Doyle, and Reading moved to bring the pair to the Madjeski Stadium in 2005.

He went on to spend six full seasons with the Royals, scoring 54 goals in 201 appearances, and won the Championship title with them in 2005/06.

West Brom forked out £6.5m to bring him to the Hawthorns in 2011 and he played 87 times for the Baggies, netting 22 goals.

Long moved to Hull in January for £6m, and scored four times in 15 Premier League appearances during his short stay with the Tigers.

He has also won 47 caps for the Republic of Ireland, and scored 11 times for his country.

The size of his fee has surprised some, given he has only hit double figures in one season from nine in English football, and that not being in the Premier League, but he is an experienced top flight footballer, and that comes at a premium, while clubs know Saints have money to spend and the season is get closer.

The move for Gardos is still on despite taking a while to finalise.

Saints hope to have both deals completed in time for the players to train with their teammates and be available for the Premier League opener against Liverpool at Anfield this weekend.

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6:06am Thu 14 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

However we debate the buying in of some players, the debate surrounding money being re-invested can't be disputed!
However we debate the buying in of some players, the debate surrounding money being re-invested can't be disputed! KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 27

6:19am Thu 14 Aug 14

InCortesewetrust says...

Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare!
Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare! InCortesewetrust
  • Score: -86

6:35am Thu 14 Aug 14

andoru says...

£12m for Long though … crazy. Happy to have him, but I really question the price, especially if Cork is only valued at £3m. (Yes, I know he only has a year on his contract which brings the value down.)
£12m for Long though … crazy. Happy to have him, but I really question the price, especially if Cork is only valued at £3m. (Yes, I know he only has a year on his contract which brings the value down.) andoru
  • Score: 18

6:41am Thu 14 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

It's great that we are spending, BUT,let's not forget we are spending the money from players we sold, hardly ambitious stuff!!! And so far we have only spent HALF of that money. So this summer we wouldn't have actually spent any money from the club pockets.

I can't see us ever spending the 35 mill we spent in each of the two previous summers without selling players.
It's great that we are spending, BUT,let's not forget we are spending the money from players we sold, hardly ambitious stuff!!! And so far we have only spent HALF of that money. So this summer we wouldn't have actually spent any money from the club pockets. I can't see us ever spending the 35 mill we spent in each of the two previous summers without selling players. redandy10
  • Score: 7

6:46am Thu 14 Aug 14

Shareholder says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare!
Have you been tested for that myopia?
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare![/p][/quote]Have you been tested for that myopia? Shareholder
  • Score: 5

7:01am Thu 14 Aug 14

InCortesewetrust says...

Shareholder wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare!
Have you been tested for that myopia?
Myopia, often known as 'being short sighted', causes your vision to be blurry in the distance but clearer when looking at things up close. ie,, the saints current situation, It is a very common condition of the eyes and some fans . For most people it can easily be dealt with using contact lensesr glassess or looking at the facts, which will make your vision much more clear and crisp.,
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare![/p][/quote]Have you been tested for that myopia?[/p][/quote]Myopia, often known as 'being short sighted', causes your vision to be blurry in the distance but clearer when looking at things up close. ie,, the saints current situation, It is a very common condition of the eyes and some fans . For most people it can easily be dealt with using contact lensesr glassess or looking at the facts, which will make your vision much more clear and crisp., InCortesewetrust
  • Score: -5

7:04am Thu 14 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

I hope that these two turn out to be good buys and certainly are the two positions that we desperately needed.

However I question if all the new buys are of good enough quality, are they all of a better quality than the ones who have left ?
Early days, but from what I saw last Saturday, all four did OK but I do not think they are, there is a danger that the board are replacing top players with mediocre ones.

I have not seen Gardos but hope he is another CB of Lovren's standard.
Whilst Shane Long has premiership experience he has so far only proved to be a 5 to 7 goals a season Striker, so at £12m (half a million a goal) that seems a lot if he does not do better. I think even Billy Sharp would have got at least 6 goals if he was played all season.
We needed to buy a 20+ goal a season striker.

I just hope that Les & Ralph do not waste the money on average players to enlarge the squad without improving the quality of the 11 on the pitch.
Remember Rupert made that mistake about 12 years ago.

Ralph & Les said that we will be a better team this season but I fear that there is now an element of panic buying of potentially good players but who might not be quite good enough to take us beyond mid-table.

However all the bigger named players do not appear to want to come to Saints as our Status is now being perceived to have dropped due to all the departures. We should have bought before we sold as it is proving difficult to attract top quality players.

Keeping Morgan & J-Rod is now imperative, but will they also fear that the team is not improving & still decide to leave.

I am also concerned that the players did not look as fit and we will not continue the high tempo pressing game that proved so successful last season .

Finishing on a positive note it will now be RonKo's team so he must have approved the players Les is buying and we will have to trust his judgement. He now needs to mold them all into a team.

Three more real top quality marque signings (CB, CM & especially a top Goalscorer), even on loan, by 1st September would change my opinion.

Lets see what the team looks like against Newcastle on Sept 13th, by which time I hope to be proved wrong.

COYR&WS
I hope that these two turn out to be good buys and certainly are the two positions that we desperately needed. However I question if all the new buys are of good enough quality, are they all of a better quality than the ones who have left ? Early days, but from what I saw last Saturday, all four did OK but I do not think they are, there is a danger that the board are replacing top players with mediocre ones. I have not seen Gardos but hope he is another CB of Lovren's standard. Whilst Shane Long has premiership experience he has so far only proved to be a 5 to 7 goals a season Striker, so at £12m (half a million a goal) that seems a lot if he does not do better. I think even Billy Sharp would have got at least 6 goals if he was played all season. We needed to buy a 20+ goal a season striker. I just hope that Les & Ralph do not waste the money on average players to enlarge the squad without improving the quality of the 11 on the pitch. Remember Rupert made that mistake about 12 years ago. Ralph & Les said that we will be a better team this season but I fear that there is now an element of panic buying of potentially good players but who might not be quite good enough to take us beyond mid-table. However all the bigger named players do not appear to want to come to Saints as our Status is now being perceived to have dropped due to all the departures. We should have bought before we sold as it is proving difficult to attract top quality players. Keeping Morgan & J-Rod is now imperative, but will they also fear that the team is not improving & still decide to leave. I am also concerned that the players did not look as fit and we will not continue the high tempo pressing game that proved so successful last season . Finishing on a positive note it will now be RonKo's team so he must have approved the players Les is buying and we will have to trust his judgement. He now needs to mold them all into a team. Three more real top quality marque signings (CB, CM & especially a top Goalscorer), even on loan, by 1st September would change my opinion. Lets see what the team looks like against Newcastle on Sept 13th, by which time I hope to be proved wrong. COYR&WS NC Fan4Life
  • Score: -5

7:09am Thu 14 Aug 14

lastminmoran says...

I think though we are in the dark with all the new players, i'd rather be in our position than liverpool. 100 million on if you think about it players who have not set the world on fire. just good premiership standard players (they lost out and missed out to like minded clubs, and the pressure is on for them).Saturday's game could put a lot of minds at rest..and with RONALD KOEMAN, i feel very optimistic about our season..We are SOUTHAMPTON, OUR BEST DAYS HAVE NOT YET COME! for liverpool the story is very different!
I think though we are in the dark with all the new players, i'd rather be in our position than liverpool. 100 million on if you think about it players who have not set the world on fire. just good premiership standard players (they lost out and missed out to like minded clubs, and the pressure is on for them).Saturday's game could put a lot of minds at rest..and with RONALD KOEMAN, i feel very optimistic about our season..We are SOUTHAMPTON, OUR BEST DAYS HAVE NOT YET COME! for liverpool the story is very different! lastminmoran
  • Score: 6

7:10am Thu 14 Aug 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

Amazed the Echo aren't running the Jack Cork story
Amazed the Echo aren't running the Jack Cork story Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 9

7:11am Thu 14 Aug 14

Buddy SFC says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
However we debate the buying in of some players, the debate surrounding money being re-invested can't be disputed!
Remember we still hadn't paid for the players purchased in previous seasons, NC still owed £22.5 million in deferred payments plus the training ground cost's which had spiralled out of control .............

To me the most important point is we have a football club and we are not going down the Farton model.

This year will be a struggle but with the old management model the club could have spiralled into huge debt within 2 years with the key players coming to the last year of their contracts and their value having been vastly reduced ?

And for those that think we could have broken into the top 4 in that 2 years , they really are having a laugh when you consider the depth of squad needed and the cost's associated ..........

Let's wait and see , I think we have a diamond in RonKom, I'm sure it will be tough but lets see, we may be pleasantly surprised ????
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: However we debate the buying in of some players, the debate surrounding money being re-invested can't be disputed![/p][/quote]Remember we still hadn't paid for the players purchased in previous seasons, NC still owed £22.5 million in deferred payments plus the training ground cost's which had spiralled out of control ............. To me the most important point is we have a football club and we are not going down the Farton model. This year will be a struggle but with the old management model the club could have spiralled into huge debt within 2 years with the key players coming to the last year of their contracts and their value having been vastly reduced ? And for those that think we could have broken into the top 4 in that 2 years , they really are having a laugh when you consider the depth of squad needed and the cost's associated .......... Let's wait and see , I think we have a diamond in RonKom, I'm sure it will be tough but lets see, we may be pleasantly surprised ???? Buddy SFC
  • Score: 47

7:19am Thu 14 Aug 14

Outside of the Box says...

redandy10 wrote:
It's great that we are spending, BUT,let's not forget we are spending the money from players we sold, hardly ambitious stuff!!! And so far we have only spent HALF of that money. So this summer we wouldn't have actually spent any money from the club pockets.

I can't see us ever spending the 35 mill we spent in each of the two previous summers without selling players.
You have to realise the financial fair play rules will only allow smaller clubs like Saints spend a certain amount of gross income on transfers and wages until we truly become a global brand with massive income we cannot compete on a level playing field like the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal and other of that ilk. Financial Fair Play keeps team like Saints down in financial terms.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: It's great that we are spending, BUT,let's not forget we are spending the money from players we sold, hardly ambitious stuff!!! And so far we have only spent HALF of that money. So this summer we wouldn't have actually spent any money from the club pockets. I can't see us ever spending the 35 mill we spent in each of the two previous summers without selling players.[/p][/quote]You have to realise the financial fair play rules will only allow smaller clubs like Saints spend a certain amount of gross income on transfers and wages until we truly become a global brand with massive income we cannot compete on a level playing field like the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal and other of that ilk. Financial Fair Play keeps team like Saints down in financial terms. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 23

7:19am Thu 14 Aug 14

Outside of the Box says...

redandy10 wrote:
It's great that we are spending, BUT,let's not forget we are spending the money from players we sold, hardly ambitious stuff!!! And so far we have only spent HALF of that money. So this summer we wouldn't have actually spent any money from the club pockets.

I can't see us ever spending the 35 mill we spent in each of the two previous summers without selling players.
You have to realise the financial fair play rules will only allow smaller clubs like Saints spend a certain amount of gross income on transfers and wages until we truly become a global brand with massive income we cannot compete on a level playing field like the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal and other of that ilk. Financial Fair Play keeps team like Saints down in financial terms.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: It's great that we are spending, BUT,let's not forget we are spending the money from players we sold, hardly ambitious stuff!!! And so far we have only spent HALF of that money. So this summer we wouldn't have actually spent any money from the club pockets. I can't see us ever spending the 35 mill we spent in each of the two previous summers without selling players.[/p][/quote]You have to realise the financial fair play rules will only allow smaller clubs like Saints spend a certain amount of gross income on transfers and wages until we truly become a global brand with massive income we cannot compete on a level playing field like the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal and other of that ilk. Financial Fair Play keeps team like Saints down in financial terms. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 3

7:27am Thu 14 Aug 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

i think maybe ten for liverpool .
i think maybe ten for liverpool . SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: -15

7:28am Thu 14 Aug 14

Shareholder says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare!
Have you been tested for that myopia?
Myopia, often known as 'being short sighted', causes your vision to be blurry in the distance but clearer when looking at things up close. ie,, the saints current situation, It is a very common condition of the eyes and some fans . For most people it can easily be dealt with using contact lensesr glassess or looking at the facts, which will make your vision much more clear and crisp.,
Well we all know you have a problem with glasses - yours being perpetually half empty!
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare![/p][/quote]Have you been tested for that myopia?[/p][/quote]Myopia, often known as 'being short sighted', causes your vision to be blurry in the distance but clearer when looking at things up close. ie,, the saints current situation, It is a very common condition of the eyes and some fans . For most people it can easily be dealt with using contact lensesr glassess or looking at the facts, which will make your vision much more clear and crisp.,[/p][/quote]Well we all know you have a problem with glasses - yours being perpetually half empty! Shareholder
  • Score: 6

7:29am Thu 14 Aug 14

BarnetSaint says...

That debate about the training ground costing more than planned, along with deferred transfer payments is very misleading and an excuse for the fire sale.
A couple of the outgoing transfers wipped those debts out, together with millions from sky, a billionaire owner and much more from player sales. And yet are we supposed to be grateful for a few players brought in.
The Jack cork story if true, a paltry figure for an excellent young English player is a disgrace.
Clueless reed and wreck it Ralph have dismantled our team, we paid way too much for Long
It's basic incompetence .
That debate about the training ground costing more than planned, along with deferred transfer payments is very misleading and an excuse for the fire sale. A couple of the outgoing transfers wipped those debts out, together with millions from sky, a billionaire owner and much more from player sales. And yet are we supposed to be grateful for a few players brought in. The Jack cork story if true, a paltry figure for an excellent young English player is a disgrace. Clueless reed and wreck it Ralph have dismantled our team, we paid way too much for Long It's basic incompetence . BarnetSaint
  • Score: 8

7:32am Thu 14 Aug 14

saintbobby says...

Optimistic is OK and we should be. But, I really feel we need to see how it works out from Sunday and during the first games.

No neggie me, but I do admit to having fingers and toes crossed and wishing like hell! I do hope all our outs are now finished including Jack Cork!

This morning, BBC reports a back page story somewhere that Hull have been quick to spend the £12 million by signing Danny Welbeck. How is this viewed by those on here who have emphatic views on such things. All I can say is that to me, the name of Welbeck is more familiar to me than is Shane Long.

So have Hull been clever - any views welcome!
Optimistic is OK and we should be. But, I really feel we need to see how it works out from Sunday and during the first games. No neggie me, but I do admit to having fingers and toes crossed and wishing like hell! I do hope all our outs are now finished including Jack Cork! This morning, BBC reports a back page story somewhere that Hull have been quick to spend the £12 million by signing Danny Welbeck. How is this viewed by those on here who have emphatic views on such things. All I can say is that to me, the name of Welbeck is more familiar to me than is Shane Long. So have Hull been clever - any views welcome! saintbobby
  • Score: 3

7:40am Thu 14 Aug 14

Simmo13 says...

Just read on Saints News Now that Jack Cork is now going to Crystal Palace if that is correct thus is now becoming a real joke how much will we get £6m and spend £12 m for Long we must be seen as a joke club.
Get Reed out he is taking us backwards.
Just read on Saints News Now that Jack Cork is now going to Crystal Palace if that is correct thus is now becoming a real joke how much will we get £6m and spend £12 m for Long we must be seen as a joke club. Get Reed out he is taking us backwards. Simmo13
  • Score: -5

7:40am Thu 14 Aug 14

Saint in Pennsylvania says...

I think billy sharp is as good as Shane long. Shane long has a 1 to 4 goal ratio at virtually all his previous clubs, most of which was at championship level. Can anyone really say that this is better than sharp would do next season. So we have sold sharp for nothing and spent 12.5m on replacing with the same, which hull are going to use to buy Danny welbeck! Who has done the better piece of business here I wonder ! Wake up, happy clappers, we are about to fly into a mountain, but you just keep clapping!
I think billy sharp is as good as Shane long. Shane long has a 1 to 4 goal ratio at virtually all his previous clubs, most of which was at championship level. Can anyone really say that this is better than sharp would do next season. So we have sold sharp for nothing and spent 12.5m on replacing with the same, which hull are going to use to buy Danny welbeck! Who has done the better piece of business here I wonder ! Wake up, happy clappers, we are about to fly into a mountain, but you just keep clapping! Saint in Pennsylvania
  • Score: -1

7:40am Thu 14 Aug 14

Jonny7oma says...

Glen Hoddle urged us Saints fan to raise our expectations. We are still happy to be shopping in quality seconds whilst the top clubs shop in Harrods. The money we got in for players is in addition to the vast annual sum we get from Sky. Doesn't look so good in that light.
I don't beleive we've replaced the players who cleared off (or who are likely to clear off soon) with like for like, let alone better as we were promised. Maybe we ought to stop pretending and call ourselves Southampton Premiership Nurseries FC and have done with this pretention b0ll0x once and for all.
I was optimistic at the start of the week but that's turning to pessimism the closer we get to kick off (AKA Reality). Somebody cheer me up!
Glen Hoddle urged us Saints fan to raise our expectations. We are still happy to be shopping in quality seconds whilst the top clubs shop in Harrods. The money we got in for players is in addition to the vast annual sum we get from Sky. Doesn't look so good in that light. I don't beleive we've replaced the players who cleared off (or who are likely to clear off soon) with like for like, let alone better as we were promised. Maybe we ought to stop pretending and call ourselves Southampton Premiership Nurseries FC and have done with this pretention b0ll0x once and for all. I was optimistic at the start of the week but that's turning to pessimism the closer we get to kick off (AKA Reality). Somebody cheer me up! Jonny7oma
  • Score: -10

7:40am Thu 14 Aug 14

Buddy SFC says...

BarnetSaint wrote:
That debate about the training ground costing more than planned, along with deferred transfer payments is very misleading and an excuse for the fire sale.
A couple of the outgoing transfers wipped those debts out, together with millions from sky, a billionaire owner and much more from player sales. And yet are we supposed to be grateful for a few players brought in.
The Jack cork story if true, a paltry figure for an excellent young English player is a disgrace.
Clueless reed and wreck it Ralph have dismantled our team, we paid way too much for Long
It's basic incompetence .
I wish I could right of £30 million ish with so much ease , the Jack Cork issue show's what happens when you have just a year left on a contract ...........

A snip for Palace but does JC want to play another season on the bench , nope !

At the end of the day it is all opinion and I may be completely wrong and their is a plan to sell the club and run, but why have we have just re-invested half of the transfer money but reduced in the short term the value of the club massively ...... not wise I would have thought ??

Maybe the dastardly plan is just to run the club properly, unusual in EPL football I appreciate, and not the fans choice but it's not our money and sadly it wasn't NC's either !
[quote][p][bold]BarnetSaint[/bold] wrote: That debate about the training ground costing more than planned, along with deferred transfer payments is very misleading and an excuse for the fire sale. A couple of the outgoing transfers wipped those debts out, together with millions from sky, a billionaire owner and much more from player sales. And yet are we supposed to be grateful for a few players brought in. The Jack cork story if true, a paltry figure for an excellent young English player is a disgrace. Clueless reed and wreck it Ralph have dismantled our team, we paid way too much for Long It's basic incompetence .[/p][/quote]I wish I could right of £30 million ish with so much ease , the Jack Cork issue show's what happens when you have just a year left on a contract ........... A snip for Palace but does JC want to play another season on the bench , nope ! At the end of the day it is all opinion and I may be completely wrong and their is a plan to sell the club and run, but why have we have just re-invested half of the transfer money but reduced in the short term the value of the club massively ...... not wise I would have thought ?? Maybe the dastardly plan is just to run the club properly, unusual in EPL football I appreciate, and not the fans choice but it's not our money and sadly it wasn't NC's either ! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 15

7:41am Thu 14 Aug 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

Jack Cork is a worry - such a versatile and hard working player. I almost think he's worth more to us this season than 3 million.
Jack Cork is a worry - such a versatile and hard working player. I almost think he's worth more to us this season than 3 million. Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 23

7:52am Thu 14 Aug 14

Simmo13 says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
However we debate the buying in of some players, the debate surrounding money being re-invested can't be disputed!
Yes but you should be reinvesting in of at least equal or better and we are not £12m for a 10 goal season player is poor value surely that is obvious to anyone ?
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: However we debate the buying in of some players, the debate surrounding money being re-invested can't be disputed![/p][/quote]Yes but you should be reinvesting in of at least equal or better and we are not £12m for a 10 goal season player is poor value surely that is obvious to anyone ? Simmo13
  • Score: 2

7:58am Thu 14 Aug 14

milton road says...

Hmm yes Hull are using the money from us to try and get Welbeck from United. Would of looked the better buy time will tell, i guess.
Saints midfield is strong probably stronger than last season. Taider is going to be influental for us this season, Wanyama, Tadic all look to be starters and then you have Cork, Davis, WP, Reed, possibly Schneiderlin who Spurs want for 15 mil lol, they are having a laugh.
Hmm yes Hull are using the money from us to try and get Welbeck from United. Would of looked the better buy time will tell, i guess. Saints midfield is strong probably stronger than last season. Taider is going to be influental for us this season, Wanyama, Tadic all look to be starters and then you have Cork, Davis, WP, Reed, possibly Schneiderlin who Spurs want for 15 mil lol, they are having a laugh. milton road
  • Score: 6

7:59am Thu 14 Aug 14

Roman Centurion says...

If cork goes for 3 million les and Ralph should follow him out the door. Even the most optimistic fans must surely see this is total incompetence !
If cork goes for 3 million les and Ralph should follow him out the door. Even the most optimistic fans must surely see this is total incompetence ! Roman Centurion
  • Score: -4

8:01am Thu 14 Aug 14

kingsaint76 says...

RK knows he's not buying a goal machine in Long, he's buying a squad player with experience, pace and potentially his best years ahead of him. It's foolhardy to try and rely on one man for all your goals, look at our players and do the math: 10 from Long, 15 from Pelle, 8-10 from Tadic, 10-15 from JRod, 8-10 from Ramirez, and the rest coming from within the team, these are not relegation statistics and not foolhardy predictions (Ramirez?).
RK knows he's not buying a goal machine in Long, he's buying a squad player with experience, pace and potentially his best years ahead of him. It's foolhardy to try and rely on one man for all your goals, look at our players and do the math: 10 from Long, 15 from Pelle, 8-10 from Tadic, 10-15 from JRod, 8-10 from Ramirez, and the rest coming from within the team, these are not relegation statistics and not foolhardy predictions (Ramirez?). kingsaint76
  • Score: 9

8:06am Thu 14 Aug 14

bstokesaint says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare!
It's funny isn't 4-5 seasons ago we were looking at going out of business and losing our football club. Now we're regularly spending around the £10m on players and it's an "utter disaster". I'm all for listening to the flipside of the coin when it comes to a debate, but at least give your post some thought before sharing it. I find a little perspective mixed in with the real facts (as opposed to hearsay and guesswork) often goes a long way to seeing things aren't as bad as you may think.
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare![/p][/quote]It's funny isn't 4-5 seasons ago we were looking at going out of business and losing our football club. Now we're regularly spending around the £10m on players and it's an "utter disaster". I'm all for listening to the flipside of the coin when it comes to a debate, but at least give your post some thought before sharing it. I find a little perspective mixed in with the real facts (as opposed to hearsay and guesswork) often goes a long way to seeing things aren't as bad as you may think. bstokesaint
  • Score: 23

8:09am Thu 14 Aug 14

one in the crowd says...

lastminmoran wrote:
I think though we are in the dark with all the new players, i'd rather be in our position than liverpool. 100 million on if you think about it players who have not set the world on fire. just good premiership standard players (they lost out and missed out to like minded clubs, and the pressure is on for them).Saturday's game could put a lot of minds at rest..and with RONALD KOEMAN, i feel very optimistic about our season..We are SOUTHAMPTON, OUR BEST DAYS HAVE NOT YET COME! for liverpool the story is very different!
You really are uptight and nervous aren't you, can't even get the date right when you play your opening match against LIVERPOOL.


THE GAME IN QUESTION TALES PLACE ON SUNDAY 17TH AUGUST .

As regards your statement ...................

We are SOUTHAMPTON, OUR BEST DAYS HAVE NOT YET COME! for liverpool the story is very different!

This is just a figment of your confused mind.

It will be interesting to see the ranking in the PL at the end of the season !
[quote][p][bold]lastminmoran[/bold] wrote: I think though we are in the dark with all the new players, i'd rather be in our position than liverpool. 100 million on if you think about it players who have not set the world on fire. just good premiership standard players (they lost out and missed out to like minded clubs, and the pressure is on for them).Saturday's game could put a lot of minds at rest..and with RONALD KOEMAN, i feel very optimistic about our season..We are SOUTHAMPTON, OUR BEST DAYS HAVE NOT YET COME! for liverpool the story is very different![/p][/quote]You really are uptight and nervous aren't you, can't even get the date right when you play your opening match against LIVERPOOL. THE GAME IN QUESTION TALES PLACE ON SUNDAY 17TH AUGUST . As regards your statement ................... We are SOUTHAMPTON, OUR BEST DAYS HAVE NOT YET COME! for liverpool the story is very different! This is just a figment of your confused mind. It will be interesting to see the ranking in the PL at the end of the season ! one in the crowd
  • Score: -15

8:10am Thu 14 Aug 14

Thankyounicola says...

Sad to see Jack Cork go. Such a hard working and talented player.
Can't understand this decision. Should have extended his contract .
Sad to see Jack Cork go. Such a hard working and talented player. Can't understand this decision. Should have extended his contract . Thankyounicola
  • Score: 6

8:11am Thu 14 Aug 14

saintofatheism says...

People are still not happy... Think you need to start looking at the bigger picture. And maybe go to a few games first. I see a very decent rebuild going on. But what do I know, I am only a season ticket holder...
People are still not happy... Think you need to start looking at the bigger picture. And maybe go to a few games first. I see a very decent rebuild going on. But what do I know, I am only a season ticket holder... saintofatheism
  • Score: 12

8:13am Thu 14 Aug 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

Interesting story about Schneiderlin today saying he had a verbal agreement to be allowed to leave when he signed his new contract in 2013.
Interesting story about Schneiderlin today saying he had a verbal agreement to be allowed to leave when he signed his new contract in 2013. Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 2

8:14am Thu 14 Aug 14

justaSaintsfan says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare!
Have you been tested for that myopia?
Myopia, often known as 'being short sighted', causes your vision to be blurry in the distance but clearer when looking at things up close. ie,, the saints current situation, It is a very common condition of the eyes and some fans . For most people it can easily be dealt with using contact lensesr glassess or looking at the facts, which will make your vision much more clear and crisp.,
Does that make you farce sighted? Lol!
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare![/p][/quote]Have you been tested for that myopia?[/p][/quote]Myopia, often known as 'being short sighted', causes your vision to be blurry in the distance but clearer when looking at things up close. ie,, the saints current situation, It is a very common condition of the eyes and some fans . For most people it can easily be dealt with using contact lensesr glassess or looking at the facts, which will make your vision much more clear and crisp.,[/p][/quote]Does that make you farce sighted? Lol! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 1

8:19am Thu 14 Aug 14

AdamG10 says...

I really rate JC and I find it hard to believe that the previous manager and and Mr Koeman seem not to. At times I thought Cork was our best player last season. Obviously Terry Paine recognised his influence on the game and presented him with the award last season, which was well deserved. I think I'm right in saying that he has only played a bit part pre season in the Brighton and Leverkusen games, so RK must prefer the likes of Wanyama, Davis, Taider (perhaps) ahead of him. Anyway, I will be sad to see him leave if this goes through.
I really rate JC and I find it hard to believe that the previous manager and and Mr Koeman seem not to. At times I thought Cork was our best player last season. Obviously Terry Paine recognised his influence on the game and presented him with the award last season, which was well deserved. I think I'm right in saying that he has only played a bit part pre season in the Brighton and Leverkusen games, so RK must prefer the likes of Wanyama, Davis, Taider (perhaps) ahead of him. Anyway, I will be sad to see him leave if this goes through. AdamG10
  • Score: 6

8:19am Thu 14 Aug 14

one in the crowd says...

saintofatheism wrote:
People are still not happy... Think you need to start looking at the bigger picture. And maybe go to a few games first. I see a very decent rebuild going on. But what do I know, I am only a season ticket holder...
You then are one of the poor loyal fans that where conned into renewing your season ticket early, before the board revealed the catastrophic news regarding the exit of the team etc. If you still have faith in the board, then one can only say its a case of the blind leading the blind.
[quote][p][bold]saintofatheism[/bold] wrote: People are still not happy... Think you need to start looking at the bigger picture. And maybe go to a few games first. I see a very decent rebuild going on. But what do I know, I am only a season ticket holder...[/p][/quote]You then are one of the poor loyal fans that where conned into renewing your season ticket early, before the board revealed the catastrophic news regarding the exit of the team etc. If you still have faith in the board, then one can only say its a case of the blind leading the blind. one in the crowd
  • Score: -23

8:31am Thu 14 Aug 14

Sainty saint saint says...

Is it possible that the 'troubling financial situation' that was being bandied about by the club was less to do with what we owed in transfer fees etc, and more to do with NC's wage structure. Maybe he had promised unachievable salary raises to the 'top players' which we couldn't live with within FFP regulations. Hence why we had to sell some of our 'bigger earners' in order to stay 'within our means'.

To me, that makes sense as to why we are only signing players who would have lower wage demands (i.e. from the Dutch league and Eastern Europe, plus players like Long instead of Welbeck (who I wouldn't want anyway if we keep J-Rod)).

I do think it would be a travesty to lose Cork though, one of the stand-out players last season for me.
Is it possible that the 'troubling financial situation' that was being bandied about by the club was less to do with what we owed in transfer fees etc, and more to do with NC's wage structure. Maybe he had promised unachievable salary raises to the 'top players' which we couldn't live with within FFP regulations. Hence why we had to sell some of our 'bigger earners' in order to stay 'within our means'. To me, that makes sense as to why we are only signing players who would have lower wage demands (i.e. from the Dutch league and Eastern Europe, plus players like Long instead of Welbeck (who I wouldn't want anyway if we keep J-Rod)). I do think it would be a travesty to lose Cork though, one of the stand-out players last season for me. Sainty saint saint
  • Score: 10

8:37am Thu 14 Aug 14

nomorerumours says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
However we debate the buying in of some players, the debate surrounding money being re-invested can't be disputed!
I hope you mean this as it I suspect you may be being sarcastic - if not I apologise. It demonstrates that our club is ambitious and well managed by RonKo and the board. We will have a stronger squad than at the start of last season but initially a slightly weaker first team on paper. Once Ronko gets the team to gel, which I'm confident will happen very quickly, then we will have a highly competitive team pushing for another top 10 finish.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: However we debate the buying in of some players, the debate surrounding money being re-invested can't be disputed![/p][/quote]I hope you mean this as it I suspect you may be being sarcastic - if not I apologise. It demonstrates that our club is ambitious and well managed by RonKo and the board. We will have a stronger squad than at the start of last season but initially a slightly weaker first team on paper. Once Ronko gets the team to gel, which I'm confident will happen very quickly, then we will have a highly competitive team pushing for another top 10 finish. nomorerumours
  • Score: 3

8:53am Thu 14 Aug 14

montecristosaint says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
I hope that these two turn out to be good buys and certainly are the two positions that we desperately needed.

However I question if all the new buys are of good enough quality, are they all of a better quality than the ones who have left ?
Early days, but from what I saw last Saturday, all four did OK but I do not think they are, there is a danger that the board are replacing top players with mediocre ones.

I have not seen Gardos but hope he is another CB of Lovren's standard.
Whilst Shane Long has premiership experience he has so far only proved to be a 5 to 7 goals a season Striker, so at £12m (half a million a goal) that seems a lot if he does not do better. I think even Billy Sharp would have got at least 6 goals if he was played all season.
We needed to buy a 20+ goal a season striker.

I just hope that Les & Ralph do not waste the money on average players to enlarge the squad without improving the quality of the 11 on the pitch.
Remember Rupert made that mistake about 12 years ago.

Ralph & Les said that we will be a better team this season but I fear that there is now an element of panic buying of potentially good players but who might not be quite good enough to take us beyond mid-table.

However all the bigger named players do not appear to want to come to Saints as our Status is now being perceived to have dropped due to all the departures. We should have bought before we sold as it is proving difficult to attract top quality players.

Keeping Morgan & J-Rod is now imperative, but will they also fear that the team is not improving & still decide to leave.

I am also concerned that the players did not look as fit and we will not continue the high tempo pressing game that proved so successful last season .

Finishing on a positive note it will now be RonKo's team so he must have approved the players Les is buying and we will have to trust his judgement. He now needs to mold them all into a team.

Three more real top quality marque signings (CB, CM & especially a top Goalscorer), even on loan, by 1st September would change my opinion.

Lets see what the team looks like against Newcastle on Sept 13th, by which time I hope to be proved wrong.

COYR&WS
why so many downward strikes against your post , you have made valid points. We simply will not know whether the players brought in are good value and like for like replacements. The fear that they are not is understandable. Like you and many others I feel the Board s performance has been nothing short of a disaster , a series of knee jerk reactions to different situations and no forward planning that adds up to much whatsoever.
The real problem was the departure of Cortese, for whatever reason, it has triggered all of the subsequent events.
However, the subsequent appointments of Krueger and Reed are down to Katarina Liebherr, why she did not appoint an experience CEO we shall never know and the results are there to see.
I am not looking forward to this season, the events of the summer have left a bitter taste, and the worry is that if any more players are allowed to leave morale will be so low that it will be impossible for the team to survive in the top flight.
Krueger and Reed, especially Krueger who claims to be something of a motivational thinker, god knows hes has done nothing to suggest it, beware of the ides of march.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: I hope that these two turn out to be good buys and certainly are the two positions that we desperately needed. However I question if all the new buys are of good enough quality, are they all of a better quality than the ones who have left ? Early days, but from what I saw last Saturday, all four did OK but I do not think they are, there is a danger that the board are replacing top players with mediocre ones. I have not seen Gardos but hope he is another CB of Lovren's standard. Whilst Shane Long has premiership experience he has so far only proved to be a 5 to 7 goals a season Striker, so at £12m (half a million a goal) that seems a lot if he does not do better. I think even Billy Sharp would have got at least 6 goals if he was played all season. We needed to buy a 20+ goal a season striker. I just hope that Les & Ralph do not waste the money on average players to enlarge the squad without improving the quality of the 11 on the pitch. Remember Rupert made that mistake about 12 years ago. Ralph & Les said that we will be a better team this season but I fear that there is now an element of panic buying of potentially good players but who might not be quite good enough to take us beyond mid-table. However all the bigger named players do not appear to want to come to Saints as our Status is now being perceived to have dropped due to all the departures. We should have bought before we sold as it is proving difficult to attract top quality players. Keeping Morgan & J-Rod is now imperative, but will they also fear that the team is not improving & still decide to leave. I am also concerned that the players did not look as fit and we will not continue the high tempo pressing game that proved so successful last season . Finishing on a positive note it will now be RonKo's team so he must have approved the players Les is buying and we will have to trust his judgement. He now needs to mold them all into a team. Three more real top quality marque signings (CB, CM & especially a top Goalscorer), even on loan, by 1st September would change my opinion. Lets see what the team looks like against Newcastle on Sept 13th, by which time I hope to be proved wrong. COYR&WS[/p][/quote]why so many downward strikes against your post , you have made valid points. We simply will not know whether the players brought in are good value and like for like replacements. The fear that they are not is understandable. Like you and many others I feel the Board s performance has been nothing short of a disaster , a series of knee jerk reactions to different situations and no forward planning that adds up to much whatsoever. The real problem was the departure of Cortese, for whatever reason, it has triggered all of the subsequent events. However, the subsequent appointments of Krueger and Reed are down to Katarina Liebherr, why she did not appoint an experience CEO we shall never know and the results are there to see. I am not looking forward to this season, the events of the summer have left a bitter taste, and the worry is that if any more players are allowed to leave morale will be so low that it will be impossible for the team to survive in the top flight. Krueger and Reed, especially Krueger who claims to be something of a motivational thinker, god knows hes has done nothing to suggest it, beware of the ides of march. montecristosaint
  • Score: -10

8:56am Thu 14 Aug 14

only1chopper says...

redandy10 wrote:
It's great that we are spending, BUT,let's not forget we are spending the money from players we sold, hardly ambitious stuff!!! And so far we have only spent HALF of that money. So this summer we wouldn't have actually spent any money from the club pockets.

I can't see us ever spending the 35 mill we spent in each of the two previous summers without selling players.
Yes its true we have only spent half, but, we have used some of that money to pay off the training ground and pay off the remaining transfer fees.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: It's great that we are spending, BUT,let's not forget we are spending the money from players we sold, hardly ambitious stuff!!! And so far we have only spent HALF of that money. So this summer we wouldn't have actually spent any money from the club pockets. I can't see us ever spending the 35 mill we spent in each of the two previous summers without selling players.[/p][/quote]Yes its true we have only spent half, but, we have used some of that money to pay off the training ground and pay off the remaining transfer fees. only1chopper
  • Score: 0

9:01am Thu 14 Aug 14

jls217 says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare!
You're being silly but if you feel you must slit your wrists do it somewhere you won't make a mess please.
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare![/p][/quote]You're being silly but if you feel you must slit your wrists do it somewhere you won't make a mess please. jls217
  • Score: 4

9:04am Thu 14 Aug 14

jls217 says...

redandy10 wrote:
It's great that we are spending, BUT,let's not forget we are spending the money from players we sold, hardly ambitious stuff!!! And so far we have only spent HALF of that money. So this summer we wouldn't have actually spent any money from the club pockets.

I can't see us ever spending the 35 mill we spent in each of the two previous summers without selling players.
There must be a war chest kept by for the Xmas sales. There may need to be some sticking plaster purchases to cover, injuries, suspensions etc.

Most of this money has gone on replacing those who jumped ship. The only place we have improved is midfield and that's even taking into account Cork apparently going.

There will be at least another two in I'm guessing
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: It's great that we are spending, BUT,let's not forget we are spending the money from players we sold, hardly ambitious stuff!!! And so far we have only spent HALF of that money. So this summer we wouldn't have actually spent any money from the club pockets. I can't see us ever spending the 35 mill we spent in each of the two previous summers without selling players.[/p][/quote]There must be a war chest kept by for the Xmas sales. There may need to be some sticking plaster purchases to cover, injuries, suspensions etc. Most of this money has gone on replacing those who jumped ship. The only place we have improved is midfield and that's even taking into account Cork apparently going. There will be at least another two in I'm guessing jls217
  • Score: 3

9:10am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Enrico Palazzo wrote:
Jack Cork is a worry - such a versatile and hard working player. I almost think he's worth more to us this season than 3 million.
I am convinced that Jack would be quite happy if offered a decent contract extension, but his Dad is trying to push him out and may be more influential in the matter than RonKo.
[quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: Jack Cork is a worry - such a versatile and hard working player. I almost think he's worth more to us this season than 3 million.[/p][/quote]I am convinced that Jack would be quite happy if offered a decent contract extension, but his Dad is trying to push him out and may be more influential in the matter than RonKo. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

9:14am Thu 14 Aug 14

InsideOutCat says...

redandy10 wrote:
It's great that we are spending, BUT,let's not forget we are spending the money from players we sold, hardly ambitious stuff!!! And so far we have only spent HALF of that money. So this summer we wouldn't have actually spent any money from the club pockets.

I can't see us ever spending the 35 mill we spent in each of the two previous summers without selling players.
So the idea is to spend every penny we have as quickly as we can? I reckon it's good for the club to only spend the money we've brought in from sales.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: It's great that we are spending, BUT,let's not forget we are spending the money from players we sold, hardly ambitious stuff!!! And so far we have only spent HALF of that money. So this summer we wouldn't have actually spent any money from the club pockets. I can't see us ever spending the 35 mill we spent in each of the two previous summers without selling players.[/p][/quote]So the idea is to spend every penny we have as quickly as we can? I reckon it's good for the club to only spend the money we've brought in from sales. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 2

9:14am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

one in the crowd wrote:
saintofatheism wrote:
People are still not happy... Think you need to start looking at the bigger picture. And maybe go to a few games first. I see a very decent rebuild going on. But what do I know, I am only a season ticket holder...
You then are one of the poor loyal fans that where conned into renewing your season ticket early, before the board revealed the catastrophic news regarding the exit of the team etc. If you still have faith in the board, then one can only say its a case of the blind leading the blind.
I am actually a loyal supporter who would have still bought my Season Ticket if I had been aware of the situation, I guess if a similar blitz happened to your team you would be the first to wave the white flag and run away?
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintofatheism[/bold] wrote: People are still not happy... Think you need to start looking at the bigger picture. And maybe go to a few games first. I see a very decent rebuild going on. But what do I know, I am only a season ticket holder...[/p][/quote]You then are one of the poor loyal fans that where conned into renewing your season ticket early, before the board revealed the catastrophic news regarding the exit of the team etc. If you still have faith in the board, then one can only say its a case of the blind leading the blind.[/p][/quote]I am actually a loyal supporter who would have still bought my Season Ticket if I had been aware of the situation, I guess if a similar blitz happened to your team you would be the first to wave the white flag and run away? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

9:17am Thu 14 Aug 14

InsideOutCat says...

Shareholder wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare!
Have you been tested for that myopia?
A lot of people seem to struggle with the difference between liking players, feeling comfortable with the team they know, and those players and that line up actually being the best for the club going forward. They also seem to be the same ones who struggle to tell the difference between "ambition" and financial irresponsibility. They also struggle with the difference between somebody doing a bad job and someone simply doing something that they don't agree with.
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare![/p][/quote]Have you been tested for that myopia?[/p][/quote]A lot of people seem to struggle with the difference between liking players, feeling comfortable with the team they know, and those players and that line up actually being the best for the club going forward. They also seem to be the same ones who struggle to tell the difference between "ambition" and financial irresponsibility. They also struggle with the difference between somebody doing a bad job and someone simply doing something that they don't agree with. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 5

9:20am Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare!
Have you been tested for that myopia?
Myopia, often known as 'being short sighted', causes your vision to be blurry in the distance but clearer when looking at things up close. ie,, the saints current situation, It is a very common condition of the eyes and some fans . For most people it can easily be dealt with using contact lensesr glassess or looking at the facts, which will make your vision much more clear and crisp.,
My eyesight may be in decline as I get older, I might wear red and white blinkers, but I can recognise a negative WUM when I see one.
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare![/p][/quote]Have you been tested for that myopia?[/p][/quote]Myopia, often known as 'being short sighted', causes your vision to be blurry in the distance but clearer when looking at things up close. ie,, the saints current situation, It is a very common condition of the eyes and some fans . For most people it can easily be dealt with using contact lensesr glassess or looking at the facts, which will make your vision much more clear and crisp.,[/p][/quote]My eyesight may be in decline as I get older, I might wear red and white blinkers, but I can recognise a negative WUM when I see one. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

9:29am Thu 14 Aug 14

one in the crowd says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
saintofatheism wrote:
People are still not happy... Think you need to start looking at the bigger picture. And maybe go to a few games first. I see a very decent rebuild going on. But what do I know, I am only a season ticket holder...
You then are one of the poor loyal fans that where conned into renewing your season ticket early, before the board revealed the catastrophic news regarding the exit of the team etc. If you still have faith in the board, then one can only say its a case of the blind leading the blind.
I am actually a loyal supporter who would have still bought my Season Ticket if I had been aware of the situation, I guess if a similar blitz happened to your team you would be the first to wave the white flag and run away?
I am not questioning a fans loyalty to the team , but I am questioning a fans loyalty to the incompetent management that ruins teams and demoralises both players and loyal fans.
Liverpool had this very same problem under the ownership of Tom Hicks and George Gillett, who should never have been allowed to manage any football club. Thankfully those days have gone and the club's ground is in the process of being extended / rebuilt, and is once more back where it belongs in the top level of football.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintofatheism[/bold] wrote: People are still not happy... Think you need to start looking at the bigger picture. And maybe go to a few games first. I see a very decent rebuild going on. But what do I know, I am only a season ticket holder...[/p][/quote]You then are one of the poor loyal fans that where conned into renewing your season ticket early, before the board revealed the catastrophic news regarding the exit of the team etc. If you still have faith in the board, then one can only say its a case of the blind leading the blind.[/p][/quote]I am actually a loyal supporter who would have still bought my Season Ticket if I had been aware of the situation, I guess if a similar blitz happened to your team you would be the first to wave the white flag and run away?[/p][/quote]I am not questioning a fans loyalty to the team , but I am questioning a fans loyalty to the incompetent management that ruins teams and demoralises both players and loyal fans. Liverpool had this very same problem under the ownership of Tom Hicks and George Gillett, who should never have been allowed to manage any football club. Thankfully those days have gone and the club's ground is in the process of being extended / rebuilt, and is once more back where it belongs in the top level of football. one in the crowd
  • Score: -7

9:30am Thu 14 Aug 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

I wonder how many of the posters on here actually go to matches and really watch our players...

And I don't mean just ball watching!
I wonder how many of the posters on here actually go to matches and really watch our players... And I don't mean just ball watching! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 4

9:36am Thu 14 Aug 14

Stnana says...

Enrico Palazzo wrote:
Interesting story about Schneiderlin today saying he had a verbal agreement to be allowed to leave when he signed his new contract in 2013.
Seem to remember some of the others also said this, but it doesn't mean it's true ! If it is true then I suppose it shows that NC was already up to mischief, if it's not then it must mean all these players got together and ,knowing that NC would not refute it, decided to use this as yet another reason to justify their appalling behaviour. I have said many times that I was glad that NC left but I cannot believe there was any verbal agreement. Does anyone seriously think any agent would fall for that even if the not very bright players would ? As for the argument that the board should have held firm right from the beginning, it will be a lot easier to deal with one sulking player on the bench than the 7/8 there could have been !
[quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: Interesting story about Schneiderlin today saying he had a verbal agreement to be allowed to leave when he signed his new contract in 2013.[/p][/quote]Seem to remember some of the others also said this, but it doesn't mean it's true ! If it is true then I suppose it shows that NC was already up to mischief, if it's not then it must mean all these players got together and ,knowing that NC would not refute it, decided to use this as yet another reason to justify their appalling behaviour. I have said many times that I was glad that NC left but I cannot believe there was any verbal agreement. Does anyone seriously think any agent would fall for that even if the not very bright players would ? As for the argument that the board should have held firm right from the beginning, it will be a lot easier to deal with one sulking player on the bench than the 7/8 there could have been ! Stnana
  • Score: 4

9:38am Thu 14 Aug 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

one in the crowd wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
saintofatheism wrote:
People are still not happy... Think you need to start looking at the bigger picture. And maybe go to a few games first. I see a very decent rebuild going on. But what do I know, I am only a season ticket holder...
You then are one of the poor loyal fans that where conned into renewing your season ticket early, before the board revealed the catastrophic news regarding the exit of the team etc. If you still have faith in the board, then one can only say its a case of the blind leading the blind.
I am actually a loyal supporter who would have still bought my Season Ticket if I had been aware of the situation, I guess if a similar blitz happened to your team you would be the first to wave the white flag and run away?
I am not questioning a fans loyalty to the team , but I am questioning a fans loyalty to the incompetent management that ruins teams and demoralises both players and loyal fans.
Liverpool had this very same problem under the ownership of Tom Hicks and George Gillett, who should never have been allowed to manage any football club. Thankfully those days have gone and the club's ground is in the process of being extended / rebuilt, and is once more back where it belongs in the top level of football.
Seriously?? (if I could add an emoji of a eyes rolled up/not amused face, I would!)

When are you people going to get it into your thick heads, the players have done the dirty on us not the owner, board or Koeman.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintofatheism[/bold] wrote: People are still not happy... Think you need to start looking at the bigger picture. And maybe go to a few games first. I see a very decent rebuild going on. But what do I know, I am only a season ticket holder...[/p][/quote]You then are one of the poor loyal fans that where conned into renewing your season ticket early, before the board revealed the catastrophic news regarding the exit of the team etc. If you still have faith in the board, then one can only say its a case of the blind leading the blind.[/p][/quote]I am actually a loyal supporter who would have still bought my Season Ticket if I had been aware of the situation, I guess if a similar blitz happened to your team you would be the first to wave the white flag and run away?[/p][/quote]I am not questioning a fans loyalty to the team , but I am questioning a fans loyalty to the incompetent management that ruins teams and demoralises both players and loyal fans. Liverpool had this very same problem under the ownership of Tom Hicks and George Gillett, who should never have been allowed to manage any football club. Thankfully those days have gone and the club's ground is in the process of being extended / rebuilt, and is once more back where it belongs in the top level of football.[/p][/quote]Seriously?? (if I could add an emoji of a eyes rolled up/not amused face, I would!) When are you people going to get it into your thick heads, the players have done the dirty on us not the owner, board or Koeman. SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 9

10:02am Thu 14 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

This is the biggest period of change since we were rescued by Marcus five years ago.

New Board, New Manager, New team, .. get used to it.

On these threads we all react and respond like it's some ongoing family with perpetual continuity and flow. Nothing wrong about that. That is a fans mindset, loyalty and inner faith built up over years.

The harder reality behind the scenes is that its a business and lives very much in the moment, with the driving force being cash and profit. The two perspectives are truly different. But they can coexist in harmony.

We start a new season on Sunday, our role is to support and encourage the team. We want to enjoy the games, see entertaining football and enjoy watching the pre-eminent team on the south coast.

I'm ready.. are you?
This is the biggest period of change since we were rescued by Marcus five years ago. New Board, New Manager, New team, .. get used to it. On these threads we all react and respond like it's some ongoing family with perpetual continuity and flow. Nothing wrong about that. That is a fans mindset, loyalty and inner faith built up over years. The harder reality behind the scenes is that its a business and lives very much in the moment, with the driving force being cash and profit. The two perspectives are truly different. But they can coexist in harmony. We start a new season on Sunday, our role is to support and encourage the team. We want to enjoy the games, see entertaining football and enjoy watching the pre-eminent team on the south coast. I'm ready.. are you? Alicesdad
  • Score: 7

10:04am Thu 14 Aug 14

Linesman says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
However we debate the buying in of some players, the debate surrounding money being re-invested can't be disputed!
I agree about the re-investment, but we wait to see whether that investment results in a better team than we had last season or not.

I wonder whether the asking price for Shane Long would have been as high if Hull had not been aware of how much Saints had made by selling so many players.

Is the club being held to ransom?
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: However we debate the buying in of some players, the debate surrounding money being re-invested can't be disputed![/p][/quote]I agree about the re-investment, but we wait to see whether that investment results in a better team than we had last season or not. I wonder whether the asking price for Shane Long would have been as high if Hull had not been aware of how much Saints had made by selling so many players. Is the club being held to ransom? Linesman
  • Score: 0

10:14am Thu 14 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

I,m expecting a few thumpings this season, with the players we have now.
I,m expecting a few thumpings this season, with the players we have now. echo1948
  • Score: -7

10:16am Thu 14 Aug 14

InCortesewetrust says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote: Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare!
Have you been tested for that myopia?
Myopia, often known as 'being short sighted', causes your vision to be blurry in the distance but clearer when looking at things up close. ie,, the saints current situation, It is a very common condition of the eyes and some fans . For most people it can easily be dealt with using contact lensesr glassess or looking at the facts, which will make your vision much more clear and crisp.,
My eyesight may be in decline as I get older, I might wear red and white blinkers, but I can recognise a negative WUM when I see one.
Wum is a town and commune in Cameroon. It is the capital of Menchum division in the Northwest Province.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare![/p][/quote]Have you been tested for that myopia?[/p][/quote]Myopia, often known as 'being short sighted', causes your vision to be blurry in the distance but clearer when looking at things up close. ie,, the saints current situation, It is a very common condition of the eyes and some fans . For most people it can easily be dealt with using contact lensesr glassess or looking at the facts, which will make your vision much more clear and crisp.,[/p][/quote]My eyesight may be in decline as I get older, I might wear red and white blinkers, but I can recognise a negative WUM when I see one.[/p][/quote]Wum is a town and commune in Cameroon. It is the capital of Menchum division in the Northwest Province. InCortesewetrust
  • Score: -2

10:23am Thu 14 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

On another subject altogether does the club still utilise the wider detailed practices introduced by Cortese.

I was reminded yesteday about the way that every player had his own custom matrress for away games and that all hotel rooms were booked for two nights and were cleaned meticulously to esnure player comfort.
Then there was all that detail in tne training pitches, where we have an exact copy pitch of every other type of turf used in the premiership.

This type of detail was very much Cortese showing that he intended us to be big time. Do we still do this stuff ? Anyone know?
On another subject altogether does the club still utilise the wider detailed practices introduced by Cortese. I was reminded yesteday about the way that every player had his own custom matrress for away games and that all hotel rooms were booked for two nights and were cleaned meticulously to esnure player comfort. Then there was all that detail in tne training pitches, where we have an exact copy pitch of every other type of turf used in the premiership. This type of detail was very much Cortese showing that he intended us to be big time. Do we still do this stuff ? Anyone know? Alicesdad
  • Score: 0

10:34am Thu 14 Aug 14

olddellsaint says...

Has Long and Gardos signed yet, or have I missed something???
Has Long and Gardos signed yet, or have I missed something??? olddellsaint
  • Score: 0

11:19am Thu 14 Aug 14

Scored raw says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare!
And les says we are not a selling club, I m just letting them go, in exchange for cash. AH right les, now I understand, silly me.
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare![/p][/quote]And les says we are not a selling club, I m just letting them go, in exchange for cash. AH right les, now I understand, silly me. Scored raw
  • Score: -2

11:25am Thu 14 Aug 14

Bazultra says...

I wonder how many players this radiculous board let go at the end of next season? Nothing is going to change we are a selling club.
I wonder how many players this radiculous board let go at the end of next season? Nothing is going to change we are a selling club. Bazultra
  • Score: -8

11:26am Thu 14 Aug 14

Bazultra says...

Trust me on this if JWP and Clyne keep improving they will be gone at the end of next season as the board will cash in guaranteed! Take off the rise tinted glasses.
Trust me on this if JWP and Clyne keep improving they will be gone at the end of next season as the board will cash in guaranteed! Take off the rise tinted glasses. Bazultra
  • Score: -9

11:34am Thu 14 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

nomorerumours wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
However we debate the buying in of some players, the debate surrounding money being re-invested can't be disputed!
I hope you mean this as it I suspect you may be being sarcastic - if not I apologise. It demonstrates that our club is ambitious and well managed by RonKo and the board. We will have a stronger squad than at the start of last season but initially a slightly weaker first team on paper. Once Ronko gets the team to gel, which I'm confident will happen very quickly, then we will have a highly competitive team pushing for another top 10 finish.
The comment could be interpreted either way but I am just stating what I feel to be the fact that a lot of people said the money wouldn't be re-invested. But also fair to say the money may not have been re-invested the way some thought it would. Personally I was hoping for a bit of proven quality and I'm not a fan of the Long transfer but it seems to be pretty much a done deal. From here I can only support the team and once again hope that the gods of football will continue to smile on us this season.
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: However we debate the buying in of some players, the debate surrounding money being re-invested can't be disputed![/p][/quote]I hope you mean this as it I suspect you may be being sarcastic - if not I apologise. It demonstrates that our club is ambitious and well managed by RonKo and the board. We will have a stronger squad than at the start of last season but initially a slightly weaker first team on paper. Once Ronko gets the team to gel, which I'm confident will happen very quickly, then we will have a highly competitive team pushing for another top 10 finish.[/p][/quote]The comment could be interpreted either way but I am just stating what I feel to be the fact that a lot of people said the money wouldn't be re-invested. But also fair to say the money may not have been re-invested the way some thought it would. Personally I was hoping for a bit of proven quality and I'm not a fan of the Long transfer but it seems to be pretty much a done deal. From here I can only support the team and once again hope that the gods of football will continue to smile on us this season. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 1

11:34am Thu 14 Aug 14

miltonnroad76 says...

12 million for that clown Welbeck hahahah ....now that is a waste of money!!
Why do posters keep on about billy sharp adkins mp and rk all dont rate him in the prem and neither do i...Adkins got him back at reading last year and didnt want to keep him...Long is proven in the prem playing for struggling teams...best wishes to him and thanks for those two goals against the skates but not one prem league manager came in for him...he hasnt been given a chance cos quite simply isnt prem quality..end of move on lets get florin and shane long in and off we go on the bus again.
12 million for that clown Welbeck hahahah ....now that is a waste of money!! Why do posters keep on about billy sharp adkins mp and rk all dont rate him in the prem and neither do i...Adkins got him back at reading last year and didnt want to keep him...Long is proven in the prem playing for struggling teams...best wishes to him and thanks for those two goals against the skates but not one prem league manager came in for him...he hasnt been given a chance cos quite simply isnt prem quality..end of move on lets get florin and shane long in and off we go on the bus again. miltonnroad76
  • Score: 4

11:36am Thu 14 Aug 14

Scored raw says...

Alicesdad wrote:
This is the biggest period of change since we were rescued by Marcus five years ago.

New Board, New Manager, New team, .. get used to it.

On these threads we all react and respond like it's some ongoing family with perpetual continuity and flow. Nothing wrong about that. That is a fans mindset, loyalty and inner faith built up over years.

The harder reality behind the scenes is that its a business and lives very much in the moment, with the driving force being cash and profit. The two perspectives are truly different. But they can coexist in harmony.

We start a new season on Sunday, our role is to support and encourage the team. We want to enjoy the games, see entertaining football and enjoy watching the pre-eminent team on the south coast.

I'm ready.. are you?
It won,t happen over night. It will take time for these guys to Mould together. Give them a chance to shine.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: This is the biggest period of change since we were rescued by Marcus five years ago. New Board, New Manager, New team, .. get used to it. On these threads we all react and respond like it's some ongoing family with perpetual continuity and flow. Nothing wrong about that. That is a fans mindset, loyalty and inner faith built up over years. The harder reality behind the scenes is that its a business and lives very much in the moment, with the driving force being cash and profit. The two perspectives are truly different. But they can coexist in harmony. We start a new season on Sunday, our role is to support and encourage the team. We want to enjoy the games, see entertaining football and enjoy watching the pre-eminent team on the south coast. I'm ready.. are you?[/p][/quote]It won,t happen over night. It will take time for these guys to Mould together. Give them a chance to shine. Scored raw
  • Score: 0

11:42am Thu 14 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Bazultra wrote:
Trust me on this if JWP and Clyne keep improving they will be gone at the end of next season as the board will cash in guaranteed! Take off the rise tinted glasses.
While naming the individual players directly might be a bit premature right now, even some of the more optimistic posters on here know that the talent which is seen to exceed this clubs standing is fair game to the top four at the end of the season; because according to some people we can't provide the grandeur of European football and astronomical wages that they think they deserve for kicking a sheep's bladder around a rectangular grass pitch.
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Trust me on this if JWP and Clyne keep improving they will be gone at the end of next season as the board will cash in guaranteed! Take off the rise tinted glasses.[/p][/quote]While naming the individual players directly might be a bit premature right now, even some of the more optimistic posters on here know that the talent which is seen to exceed this clubs standing is fair game to the top four at the end of the season; because according to some people we can't provide the grandeur of European football and astronomical wages that they think they deserve for kicking a sheep's bladder around a rectangular grass pitch. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 0

11:51am Thu 14 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Roman Centurion wrote:
If cork goes for 3 million les and Ralph should follow him out the door. Even the most optimistic fans must surely see this is total incompetence !
so what are you suggesting? should we force him to sign a new deal? should we threaten him?
jack cork was unhappy and talking about leaving back in November/December time, the reason was that he wasn't getting enough first team football. he then got his chance through injury. we now have a different manager who feels that he isn't good enough for a starting place, that's not me saying it. if jack is that unhappy he isn't considered a starter what makes you think he is willing to sign a contract extension? he wants to play not sit on the bench, how is that les reed and ralphs fault? tell me what they should have done to change this, should they tell Ronnie who he should and shouldn't pick in the team?
the decision to sell, whilst we might not like it (and if its true), has been taken to bring in some money for a player who isn't going to stay or play a big part in the season.
if jack cork is as good as some are suggesting, and im not saying he is a bad player, why aren't bigger teams than palace bidding for him?
as osprey has also said, a lot of this is down to his dad. he wants his son to be seen as more than a bit part player.
to blame les or ralph for this is just blindly blaming them for nothing!
[quote][p][bold]Roman Centurion[/bold] wrote: If cork goes for 3 million les and Ralph should follow him out the door. Even the most optimistic fans must surely see this is total incompetence ![/p][/quote]so what are you suggesting? should we force him to sign a new deal? should we threaten him? jack cork was unhappy and talking about leaving back in November/December time, the reason was that he wasn't getting enough first team football. he then got his chance through injury. we now have a different manager who feels that he isn't good enough for a starting place, that's not me saying it. if jack is that unhappy he isn't considered a starter what makes you think he is willing to sign a contract extension? he wants to play not sit on the bench, how is that les reed and ralphs fault? tell me what they should have done to change this, should they tell Ronnie who he should and shouldn't pick in the team? the decision to sell, whilst we might not like it (and if its true), has been taken to bring in some money for a player who isn't going to stay or play a big part in the season. if jack cork is as good as some are suggesting, and im not saying he is a bad player, why aren't bigger teams than palace bidding for him? as osprey has also said, a lot of this is down to his dad. he wants his son to be seen as more than a bit part player. to blame les or ralph for this is just blindly blaming them for nothing! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 6

12:07pm Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

echo1948 wrote:
I,m expecting a few thumpings this season, with the players we have now.
Us happy clappers would be glad to oblige if that is what turns you on, not into violence myself but I am sure we can find someone who could give you a good thumping.
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: I,m expecting a few thumpings this season, with the players we have now.[/p][/quote]Us happy clappers would be glad to oblige if that is what turns you on, not into violence myself but I am sure we can find someone who could give you a good thumping. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

12:09pm Thu 14 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Bazultra wrote:
Trust me on this if JWP and Clyne keep improving they will be gone at the end of next season as the board will cash in guaranteed! Take off the rise tinted glasses.
On the other hand what is your positive thought for today? Lunch?
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: Trust me on this if JWP and Clyne keep improving they will be gone at the end of next season as the board will cash in guaranteed! Take off the rise tinted glasses.[/p][/quote]On the other hand what is your positive thought for today? Lunch? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

1:04pm Thu 14 Aug 14

ctsaint says...

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote:
I think billy sharp is as good as Shane long. Shane long has a 1 to 4 goal ratio at virtually all his previous clubs, most of which was at championship level. Can anyone really say that this is better than sharp would do next season. So we have sold sharp for nothing and spent 12.5m on replacing with the same, which hull are going to use to buy Danny welbeck! Who has done the better piece of business here I wonder ! Wake up, happy clappers, we are about to fly into a mountain, but you just keep clapping!
Do Sharpe and Long have the same player attributes that Koeman wants? I don't recall Sharpe having pace ?

We hired Koeman, something we all agree on was a GREAT signing, the best we could hope for.

Let him get on with it.

We signed Pele he scores a goal a game - ahhh but he isn't a prem player and we didn't pay £20m for him so he isnt considered Marquis.

We get Long , who is a prem player with experience and pay £12m and he is too much money and not good enough.

We cant attract the players we want , there are only a handful of clubs that have that power, were they taregt a player and get him with 100% certainty.

We also fail to debate or even consider the quality of the youngsters that are coming through, Reed, Target and Isgrove look like they are capable of the step up.

Chill out, we will know where we are by Christmas and if we consolidate and build a system and team in the second half of the seasons then in Jan we will still have money to spend and next year due to NET REVENUE from player sales we will be able to pay more in salary and fees.

COYR's
[quote][p][bold]Saint in Pennsylvania[/bold] wrote: I think billy sharp is as good as Shane long. Shane long has a 1 to 4 goal ratio at virtually all his previous clubs, most of which was at championship level. Can anyone really say that this is better than sharp would do next season. So we have sold sharp for nothing and spent 12.5m on replacing with the same, which hull are going to use to buy Danny welbeck! Who has done the better piece of business here I wonder ! Wake up, happy clappers, we are about to fly into a mountain, but you just keep clapping![/p][/quote]Do Sharpe and Long have the same player attributes that Koeman wants? I don't recall Sharpe having pace ? We hired Koeman, something we all agree on was a GREAT signing, the best we could hope for. Let him get on with it. We signed Pele he scores a goal a game - ahhh but he isn't a prem player and we didn't pay £20m for him so he isnt considered Marquis. We get Long , who is a prem player with experience and pay £12m and he is too much money and not good enough. We cant attract the players we want , there are only a handful of clubs that have that power, were they taregt a player and get him with 100% certainty. We also fail to debate or even consider the quality of the youngsters that are coming through, Reed, Target and Isgrove look like they are capable of the step up. Chill out, we will know where we are by Christmas and if we consolidate and build a system and team in the second half of the seasons then in Jan we will still have money to spend and next year due to NET REVENUE from player sales we will be able to pay more in salary and fees. COYR's ctsaint
  • Score: 3

1:39pm Thu 14 Aug 14

randre says...

Firstly, I have always thought Shane Long to be a very good player. At the pre-season friendly on Saturday I felt a hard working and pacey striker would work very well with Pelle.... For me Shane Long fits the bill perfectly. I honestly feel in this case his stats do not do him justice, he is a player that has caused many defenses' problems (including the top 5 teams in the premier league), at 27 he is approaching the age where strikers often add the goal scoring string to their bow. But one thing is for sure he will create a lot of space and chances for others around him.

Generally I have been very happy from what I have seen of our new signings, I feel we have some real quality in our midfield now, give these players a chance and they may well turn out to be better than we have sold.

To dismiss the quality of a player by reading stats or by watching one or two games is a foolish thing to do.

It only seems like yesterday when I was in shock and fearing the worse with Saints on the brink of going out of business. If you had told me back then, that this would be where we are now, I would have grabbed it with both hands.

Saints are building a long term sustainable model which I truly believe will, long term, give us some great success. But for anybody thinking we were going to break into the top 4 in two years it was just not going to happen..... But who knows what the future may hold.

In times of difficulty was when we saw the best of Saints fans, from the relegation battles at the Dell to administration, we have supported our Saints, the players who pull on the shirt and give 100%. This year should be no different, let's support our team and be proud of who we are.
Firstly, I have always thought Shane Long to be a very good player. At the pre-season friendly on Saturday I felt a hard working and pacey striker would work very well with Pelle.... For me Shane Long fits the bill perfectly. I honestly feel in this case his stats do not do him justice, he is a player that has caused many defenses' problems (including the top 5 teams in the premier league), at 27 he is approaching the age where strikers often add the goal scoring string to their bow. But one thing is for sure he will create a lot of space and chances for others around him. Generally I have been very happy from what I have seen of our new signings, I feel we have some real quality in our midfield now, give these players a chance and they may well turn out to be better than we have sold. To dismiss the quality of a player by reading stats or by watching one or two games is a foolish thing to do. It only seems like yesterday when I was in shock and fearing the worse with Saints on the brink of going out of business. If you had told me back then, that this would be where we are now, I would have grabbed it with both hands. Saints are building a long term sustainable model which I truly believe will, long term, give us some great success. But for anybody thinking we were going to break into the top 4 in two years it was just not going to happen..... But who knows what the future may hold. In times of difficulty was when we saw the best of Saints fans, from the relegation battles at the Dell to administration, we have supported our Saints, the players who pull on the shirt and give 100%. This year should be no different, let's support our team and be proud of who we are. randre
  • Score: 6

1:42pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Tersites says...

Letter of Concern to Southampton Football Club:

Dear Sir / Madam,

I have been a Southampton supporter all my life. I am a season ticket holder, and have been for years. I'm writing to register an official complaint and express my concerns over the player exodus.

I recently received my new season ticket for the forthcoming season, and now feel that this has been misold. If I had known that all my favourite players were to be sold off before the start of the new season: I may have reconsidered.

I am also extremely upset over what I, and many other loyal and passionate Southampton supporters feel, was being lied to. We were assured that there would be no 'fire-sale' and that this is what has now happened. Also, why has our new Manager no control over which players are sold?

We were promised that all monies from sold players would be reinvested. This patently hasn't happened, and with the new season just a few weeks away now, even if new signings are made, how could the new cheap foreign imports Southampton football club seem to be bringing in be gelled into any semblance of a team?

I feel embarrassed at the moment to be a Southampton supporter. I feel upset that I, and all Southampton supporters have been lied to by the board of Directors - that Hockey coach, and Les Reed.

I would really appreciate an expedient reply in addressing the issues above I have highlighted.

From an extremely disillusioned and upset Southampton Season Ticket Holder. I would appreciate an expedient reply.

Yours,

Thomas

I recently received my reply from Southampton Football Club in response to my Letter of Concern about the recent sales, and lack of quality signings at the club. I got this in reply:



Dear Thomas,



Thank you for your e-mail.



We do understand that supporters are anxious ahead of the new season due to some players having recently left the Club. However, I would like to assure you that everyone at the Club is working hard to add to our squad, and to continue the development of the team since our promotion back to the Premier League at the end of the 2011/12 season. As our Chairman, Ralph Krueger said to the media on Tuesday, the Club will bring players in to add to our existing squad, and Ryan Bertrand who signed on Wednesday evening was the third of those brought in by our new manager.



I do understand that with the departure of some of the first team members, supporters will seek refunds, however as mentioned by the Board in recent interviews, everyone at the Club is working hard behind the scenes to ensure the team is in a strong position



Kind Regards,



Becky





Customer Services
Southampton FC

Tel: 0845 688 9288

E-mail: Customerservices@sai
ntsfc.co.uk

Selling Jack Cork for £3? I know he only has a year left on his contract, but why can't we get him to sign a new one? He's a fantastic player, and has proven that game in game out. £12m for Shane Long. Nothing against the chap, but %^$$£***!!!!! to that! FOUR GOALS A SEASON???!!! TWELVE MILLION POUNDS???!!!!!

I really, really want to be positive. I really really want Saints to do well. I'll be there at the first game of the season (travelling a long way to get to the match by train and back)...I'll be cheering on OUR team...but Gosh I'm very worried about this coming season....
Letter of Concern to Southampton Football Club: Dear Sir / Madam, I have been a Southampton supporter all my life. I am a season ticket holder, and have been for years. I'm writing to register an official complaint and express my concerns over the player exodus. I recently received my new season ticket for the forthcoming season, and now feel that this has been misold. If I had known that all my favourite players were to be sold off before the start of the new season: I may have reconsidered. I am also extremely upset over what I, and many other loyal and passionate Southampton supporters feel, was being lied to. We were assured that there would be no 'fire-sale' and that this is what has now happened. Also, why has our new Manager no control over which players are sold? We were promised that all monies from sold players would be reinvested. This patently hasn't happened, and with the new season just a few weeks away now, even if new signings are made, how could the new cheap foreign imports Southampton football club seem to be bringing in be gelled into any semblance of a team? I feel embarrassed at the moment to be a Southampton supporter. I feel upset that I, and all Southampton supporters have been lied to by the board of Directors - that Hockey coach, and Les Reed. I would really appreciate an expedient reply in addressing the issues above I have highlighted. From an extremely disillusioned and upset Southampton Season Ticket Holder. I would appreciate an expedient reply. Yours, Thomas I recently received my reply from Southampton Football Club in response to my Letter of Concern about the recent sales, and lack of quality signings at the club. I got this in reply: Dear Thomas, Thank you for your e-mail. We do understand that supporters are anxious ahead of the new season due to some players having recently left the Club. However, I would like to assure you that everyone at the Club is working hard to add to our squad, and to continue the development of the team since our promotion back to the Premier League at the end of the 2011/12 season. As our Chairman, Ralph Krueger said to the media on Tuesday, the Club will bring players in to add to our existing squad, and Ryan Bertrand who signed on Wednesday evening was the third of those brought in by our new manager. I do understand that with the departure of some of the first team members, supporters will seek refunds, however as mentioned by the Board in recent interviews, everyone at the Club is working hard behind the scenes to ensure the team is in a strong position Kind Regards, Becky Customer Services Southampton FC Tel: 0845 688 9288 E-mail: Customerservices@sai ntsfc.co.uk Selling Jack Cork for £3? I know he only has a year left on his contract, but why can't we get him to sign a new one? He's a fantastic player, and has proven that game in game out. £12m for Shane Long. Nothing against the chap, but %^$$£***!!!!! to that! FOUR GOALS A SEASON???!!! TWELVE MILLION POUNDS???!!!!! I really, really want to be positive. I really really want Saints to do well. I'll be there at the first game of the season (travelling a long way to get to the match by train and back)...I'll be cheering on OUR team...but Gosh I'm very worried about this coming season.... Tersites
  • Score: -3

1:45pm Thu 14 Aug 14

justaSaintsfan says...

bstokesaint wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare!
It's funny isn't 4-5 seasons ago we were looking at going out of business and losing our football club. Now we're regularly spending around the £10m on players and it's an "utter disaster". I'm all for listening to the flipside of the coin when it comes to a debate, but at least give your post some thought before sharing it. I find a little perspective mixed in with the real facts (as opposed to hearsay and guesswork) often goes a long way to seeing things aren't as bad as you may think.
At last some words of reason, for which I congratulate you.

Saints could so easily have been playing in the Conference right now if Saint Markus had not decided to save the club only a relatively short time ago. That one thing puts this summer into its correct perspective.

It is all too easy for the doom mongers to predict relegation, but nobody actually yet knows how good our team will play. Saints showed a lot of promise last season, but finished it only in mid table. That is the truth. Spending vast fortunes on expensive players absolutely does not guarantee success. Spurs last year spent a hundred million pounds plus on umpteen players and won only a place in this season's Europa Cup. Saints were not that far behind Spurs after significantly less spending. I reckon Saints got better value and it is just as possible they could do it again after all deals are done in the current transfer window.

A good manager is able to get the best out of his players, by playing them as a team, to their collective strengths. People have for months been moaning in this forum about all things negative to do with Saints and only a fool would deny that mistakes have been made at the club. We all make mistakes. They can be corrected. Management and coaching staff at SFC are doing their best, working together for the benefit of the club. Ronald Koeman is rebuilding our squad and already the doom merchants are at it in droves, writing off Saints before a ball has been kicked in the new season. New players have already been written off by the doom mongers as no good. We haven't quite yet even bought Shane Long and they have already started having a go at him! I see no sense in anyone continuing to be so negative because it could all too easily have an adverse affect on our team.

Our new season will start in only three days, so I think it is high time for the doom merchants to start considering the idea of putting all the negativity of this summer behind them, where it belongs. In only three days it will be time for we fans to do what we do best . . . . . . . support our team!

All we can do apart from that is wait and see.

Up the Saints!!!
[quote][p][bold]bstokesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare![/p][/quote]It's funny isn't 4-5 seasons ago we were looking at going out of business and losing our football club. Now we're regularly spending around the £10m on players and it's an "utter disaster". I'm all for listening to the flipside of the coin when it comes to a debate, but at least give your post some thought before sharing it. I find a little perspective mixed in with the real facts (as opposed to hearsay and guesswork) often goes a long way to seeing things aren't as bad as you may think.[/p][/quote]At last some words of reason, for which I congratulate you. Saints could so easily have been playing in the Conference right now if Saint Markus had not decided to save the club only a relatively short time ago. That one thing puts this summer into its correct perspective. It is all too easy for the doom mongers to predict relegation, but nobody actually yet knows how good our team will play. Saints showed a lot of promise last season, but finished it only in mid table. That is the truth. Spending vast fortunes on expensive players absolutely does not guarantee success. Spurs last year spent a hundred million pounds plus on umpteen players and won only a place in this season's Europa Cup. Saints were not that far behind Spurs after significantly less spending. I reckon Saints got better value and it is just as possible they could do it again after all deals are done in the current transfer window. A good manager is able to get the best out of his players, by playing them as a team, to their collective strengths. People have for months been moaning in this forum about all things negative to do with Saints and only a fool would deny that mistakes have been made at the club. We all make mistakes. They can be corrected. Management and coaching staff at SFC are doing their best, working together for the benefit of the club. Ronald Koeman is rebuilding our squad and already the doom merchants are at it in droves, writing off Saints before a ball has been kicked in the new season. New players have already been written off by the doom mongers as no good. We haven't quite yet even bought Shane Long and they have already started having a go at him! I see no sense in anyone continuing to be so negative because it could all too easily have an adverse affect on our team. Our new season will start in only three days, so I think it is high time for the doom merchants to start considering the idea of putting all the negativity of this summer behind them, where it belongs. In only three days it will be time for we fans to do what we do best . . . . . . . support our team! All we can do apart from that is wait and see. Up the Saints!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 11

1:55pm Thu 14 Aug 14

miltonnroad76 says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
bstokesaint wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare!
It's funny isn't 4-5 seasons ago we were looking at going out of business and losing our football club. Now we're regularly spending around the £10m on players and it's an "utter disaster". I'm all for listening to the flipside of the coin when it comes to a debate, but at least give your post some thought before sharing it. I find a little perspective mixed in with the real facts (as opposed to hearsay and guesswork) often goes a long way to seeing things aren't as bad as you may think.
At last some words of reason, for which I congratulate you.

Saints could so easily have been playing in the Conference right now if Saint Markus had not decided to save the club only a relatively short time ago. That one thing puts this summer into its correct perspective.

It is all too easy for the doom mongers to predict relegation, but nobody actually yet knows how good our team will play. Saints showed a lot of promise last season, but finished it only in mid table. That is the truth. Spending vast fortunes on expensive players absolutely does not guarantee success. Spurs last year spent a hundred million pounds plus on umpteen players and won only a place in this season's Europa Cup. Saints were not that far behind Spurs after significantly less spending. I reckon Saints got better value and it is just as possible they could do it again after all deals are done in the current transfer window.

A good manager is able to get the best out of his players, by playing them as a team, to their collective strengths. People have for months been moaning in this forum about all things negative to do with Saints and only a fool would deny that mistakes have been made at the club. We all make mistakes. They can be corrected. Management and coaching staff at SFC are doing their best, working together for the benefit of the club. Ronald Koeman is rebuilding our squad and already the doom merchants are at it in droves, writing off Saints before a ball has been kicked in the new season. New players have already been written off by the doom mongers as no good. We haven't quite yet even bought Shane Long and they have already started having a go at him! I see no sense in anyone continuing to be so negative because it could all too easily have an adverse affect on our team.

Our new season will start in only three days, so I think it is high time for the doom merchants to start considering the idea of putting all the negativity of this summer behind them, where it belongs. In only three days it will be time for we fans to do what we do best . . . . . . . support our team!

All we can do apart from that is wait and see.

Up the Saints!!!
i think some of the doom mongers are our old wind up merchants and skates under new log ins trying to create unrest...funny how they arent posting as much lately
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bstokesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare![/p][/quote]It's funny isn't 4-5 seasons ago we were looking at going out of business and losing our football club. Now we're regularly spending around the £10m on players and it's an "utter disaster". I'm all for listening to the flipside of the coin when it comes to a debate, but at least give your post some thought before sharing it. I find a little perspective mixed in with the real facts (as opposed to hearsay and guesswork) often goes a long way to seeing things aren't as bad as you may think.[/p][/quote]At last some words of reason, for which I congratulate you. Saints could so easily have been playing in the Conference right now if Saint Markus had not decided to save the club only a relatively short time ago. That one thing puts this summer into its correct perspective. It is all too easy for the doom mongers to predict relegation, but nobody actually yet knows how good our team will play. Saints showed a lot of promise last season, but finished it only in mid table. That is the truth. Spending vast fortunes on expensive players absolutely does not guarantee success. Spurs last year spent a hundred million pounds plus on umpteen players and won only a place in this season's Europa Cup. Saints were not that far behind Spurs after significantly less spending. I reckon Saints got better value and it is just as possible they could do it again after all deals are done in the current transfer window. A good manager is able to get the best out of his players, by playing them as a team, to their collective strengths. People have for months been moaning in this forum about all things negative to do with Saints and only a fool would deny that mistakes have been made at the club. We all make mistakes. They can be corrected. Management and coaching staff at SFC are doing their best, working together for the benefit of the club. Ronald Koeman is rebuilding our squad and already the doom merchants are at it in droves, writing off Saints before a ball has been kicked in the new season. New players have already been written off by the doom mongers as no good. We haven't quite yet even bought Shane Long and they have already started having a go at him! I see no sense in anyone continuing to be so negative because it could all too easily have an adverse affect on our team. Our new season will start in only three days, so I think it is high time for the doom merchants to start considering the idea of putting all the negativity of this summer behind them, where it belongs. In only three days it will be time for we fans to do what we do best . . . . . . . support our team! All we can do apart from that is wait and see. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]i think some of the doom mongers are our old wind up merchants and skates under new log ins trying to create unrest...funny how they arent posting as much lately miltonnroad76
  • Score: 1

2:12pm Thu 14 Aug 14

justaSaintsfan says...

miltonnroad76 wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
bstokesaint wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote:
Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare!
It's funny isn't 4-5 seasons ago we were looking at going out of business and losing our football club. Now we're regularly spending around the £10m on players and it's an "utter disaster". I'm all for listening to the flipside of the coin when it comes to a debate, but at least give your post some thought before sharing it. I find a little perspective mixed in with the real facts (as opposed to hearsay and guesswork) often goes a long way to seeing things aren't as bad as you may think.
At last some words of reason, for which I congratulate you.

Saints could so easily have been playing in the Conference right now if Saint Markus had not decided to save the club only a relatively short time ago. That one thing puts this summer into its correct perspective.

It is all too easy for the doom mongers to predict relegation, but nobody actually yet knows how good our team will play. Saints showed a lot of promise last season, but finished it only in mid table. That is the truth. Spending vast fortunes on expensive players absolutely does not guarantee success. Spurs last year spent a hundred million pounds plus on umpteen players and won only a place in this season's Europa Cup. Saints were not that far behind Spurs after significantly less spending. I reckon Saints got better value and it is just as possible they could do it again after all deals are done in the current transfer window.

A good manager is able to get the best out of his players, by playing them as a team, to their collective strengths. People have for months been moaning in this forum about all things negative to do with Saints and only a fool would deny that mistakes have been made at the club. We all make mistakes. They can be corrected. Management and coaching staff at SFC are doing their best, working together for the benefit of the club. Ronald Koeman is rebuilding our squad and already the doom merchants are at it in droves, writing off Saints before a ball has been kicked in the new season. New players have already been written off by the doom mongers as no good. We haven't quite yet even bought Shane Long and they have already started having a go at him! I see no sense in anyone continuing to be so negative because it could all too easily have an adverse affect on our team.

Our new season will start in only three days, so I think it is high time for the doom merchants to start considering the idea of putting all the negativity of this summer behind them, where it belongs. In only three days it will be time for we fans to do what we do best . . . . . . . support our team!

All we can do apart from that is wait and see.

Up the Saints!!!
i think some of the doom mongers are our old wind up merchants and skates under new log ins trying to create unrest...funny how they arent posting as much lately
Yes, I reckon they can't get any friends, so they are keeping each other company! Lol!
[quote][p][bold]miltonnroad76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bstokesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Schneiderlin, boruc, Cork are next out the revolving door at st Marys, I actually think this is the club's most utterly disaster es pre season ever, good players like Clyne, wanyama, jwp, jrod even stevie Davis will not be happy seeing all the best teammates leave, we will be fighting off relegation this season, the Liverpool game will be a nightmare![/p][/quote]It's funny isn't 4-5 seasons ago we were looking at going out of business and losing our football club. Now we're regularly spending around the £10m on players and it's an "utter disaster". I'm all for listening to the flipside of the coin when it comes to a debate, but at least give your post some thought before sharing it. I find a little perspective mixed in with the real facts (as opposed to hearsay and guesswork) often goes a long way to seeing things aren't as bad as you may think.[/p][/quote]At last some words of reason, for which I congratulate you. Saints could so easily have been playing in the Conference right now if Saint Markus had not decided to save the club only a relatively short time ago. That one thing puts this summer into its correct perspective. It is all too easy for the doom mongers to predict relegation, but nobody actually yet knows how good our team will play. Saints showed a lot of promise last season, but finished it only in mid table. That is the truth. Spending vast fortunes on expensive players absolutely does not guarantee success. Spurs last year spent a hundred million pounds plus on umpteen players and won only a place in this season's Europa Cup. Saints were not that far behind Spurs after significantly less spending. I reckon Saints got better value and it is just as possible they could do it again after all deals are done in the current transfer window. A good manager is able to get the best out of his players, by playing them as a team, to their collective strengths. People have for months been moaning in this forum about all things negative to do with Saints and only a fool would deny that mistakes have been made at the club. We all make mistakes. They can be corrected. Management and coaching staff at SFC are doing their best, working together for the benefit of the club. Ronald Koeman is rebuilding our squad and already the doom merchants are at it in droves, writing off Saints before a ball has been kicked in the new season. New players have already been written off by the doom mongers as no good. We haven't quite yet even bought Shane Long and they have already started having a go at him! I see no sense in anyone continuing to be so negative because it could all too easily have an adverse affect on our team. Our new season will start in only three days, so I think it is high time for the doom merchants to start considering the idea of putting all the negativity of this summer behind them, where it belongs. In only three days it will be time for we fans to do what we do best . . . . . . . support our team! All we can do apart from that is wait and see. Up the Saints!!![/p][/quote]i think some of the doom mongers are our old wind up merchants and skates under new log ins trying to create unrest...funny how they arent posting as much lately[/p][/quote]Yes, I reckon they can't get any friends, so they are keeping each other company! Lol! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 1

3:09pm Thu 14 Aug 14

DisplacedFan says...

We have banked 90 million, had a war chest of another 30 million, spent 45 million. What happened to the rest? Who will hold Kreuger accountable for what they said they would spend? If they had their eye on Shane Long why has it taken them this long to bid for him unless it was a desperation bid? If we knew some of our players wanted to leave we should have been actively moving in the market then. We may have some good signings, but thank God Les and company did not plan D Day!
We have banked 90 million, had a war chest of another 30 million, spent 45 million. What happened to the rest? Who will hold Kreuger accountable for what they said they would spend? If they had their eye on Shane Long why has it taken them this long to bid for him unless it was a desperation bid? If we knew some of our players wanted to leave we should have been actively moving in the market then. We may have some good signings, but thank God Les and company did not plan D Day! DisplacedFan
  • Score: -1

3:25pm Thu 14 Aug 14

ctsaint says...

montecristosaint wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
I hope that these two turn out to be good buys and certainly are the two positions that we desperately needed.

However I question if all the new buys are of good enough quality, are they all of a better quality than the ones who have left ?
Early days, but from what I saw last Saturday, all four did OK but I do not think they are, there is a danger that the board are replacing top players with mediocre ones.

I have not seen Gardos but hope he is another CB of Lovren's standard.
Whilst Shane Long has premiership experience he has so far only proved to be a 5 to 7 goals a season Striker, so at £12m (half a million a goal) that seems a lot if he does not do better. I think even Billy Sharp would have got at least 6 goals if he was played all season.
We needed to buy a 20+ goal a season striker.

I just hope that Les & Ralph do not waste the money on average players to enlarge the squad without improving the quality of the 11 on the pitch.
Remember Rupert made that mistake about 12 years ago.

Ralph & Les said that we will be a better team this season but I fear that there is now an element of panic buying of potentially good players but who might not be quite good enough to take us beyond mid-table.

However all the bigger named players do not appear to want to come to Saints as our Status is now being perceived to have dropped due to all the departures. We should have bought before we sold as it is proving difficult to attract top quality players.

Keeping Morgan & J-Rod is now imperative, but will they also fear that the team is not improving & still decide to leave.

I am also concerned that the players did not look as fit and we will not continue the high tempo pressing game that proved so successful last season .

Finishing on a positive note it will now be RonKo's team so he must have approved the players Les is buying and we will have to trust his judgement. He now needs to mold them all into a team.

Three more real top quality marque signings (CB, CM & especially a top Goalscorer), even on loan, by 1st September would change my opinion.

Lets see what the team looks like against Newcastle on Sept 13th, by which time I hope to be proved wrong.

COYR&WS
why so many downward strikes against your post , you have made valid points. We simply will not know whether the players brought in are good value and like for like replacements. The fear that they are not is understandable. Like you and many others I feel the Board s performance has been nothing short of a disaster , a series of knee jerk reactions to different situations and no forward planning that adds up to much whatsoever.
The real problem was the departure of Cortese, for whatever reason, it has triggered all of the subsequent events.
However, the subsequent appointments of Krueger and Reed are down to Katarina Liebherr, why she did not appoint an experience CEO we shall never know and the results are there to see.
I am not looking forward to this season, the events of the summer have left a bitter taste, and the worry is that if any more players are allowed to leave morale will be so low that it will be impossible for the team to survive in the top flight.
Krueger and Reed, especially Krueger who claims to be something of a motivational thinker, god knows hes has done nothing to suggest it, beware of the ides of march.
who appointed Koeman?
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: I hope that these two turn out to be good buys and certainly are the two positions that we desperately needed. However I question if all the new buys are of good enough quality, are they all of a better quality than the ones who have left ? Early days, but from what I saw last Saturday, all four did OK but I do not think they are, there is a danger that the board are replacing top players with mediocre ones. I have not seen Gardos but hope he is another CB of Lovren's standard. Whilst Shane Long has premiership experience he has so far only proved to be a 5 to 7 goals a season Striker, so at £12m (half a million a goal) that seems a lot if he does not do better. I think even Billy Sharp would have got at least 6 goals if he was played all season. We needed to buy a 20+ goal a season striker. I just hope that Les & Ralph do not waste the money on average players to enlarge the squad without improving the quality of the 11 on the pitch. Remember Rupert made that mistake about 12 years ago. Ralph & Les said that we will be a better team this season but I fear that there is now an element of panic buying of potentially good players but who might not be quite good enough to take us beyond mid-table. However all the bigger named players do not appear to want to come to Saints as our Status is now being perceived to have dropped due to all the departures. We should have bought before we sold as it is proving difficult to attract top quality players. Keeping Morgan & J-Rod is now imperative, but will they also fear that the team is not improving & still decide to leave. I am also concerned that the players did not look as fit and we will not continue the high tempo pressing game that proved so successful last season . Finishing on a positive note it will now be RonKo's team so he must have approved the players Les is buying and we will have to trust his judgement. He now needs to mold them all into a team. Three more real top quality marque signings (CB, CM & especially a top Goalscorer), even on loan, by 1st September would change my opinion. Lets see what the team looks like against Newcastle on Sept 13th, by which time I hope to be proved wrong. COYR&WS[/p][/quote]why so many downward strikes against your post , you have made valid points. We simply will not know whether the players brought in are good value and like for like replacements. The fear that they are not is understandable. Like you and many others I feel the Board s performance has been nothing short of a disaster , a series of knee jerk reactions to different situations and no forward planning that adds up to much whatsoever. The real problem was the departure of Cortese, for whatever reason, it has triggered all of the subsequent events. However, the subsequent appointments of Krueger and Reed are down to Katarina Liebherr, why she did not appoint an experience CEO we shall never know and the results are there to see. I am not looking forward to this season, the events of the summer have left a bitter taste, and the worry is that if any more players are allowed to leave morale will be so low that it will be impossible for the team to survive in the top flight. Krueger and Reed, especially Krueger who claims to be something of a motivational thinker, god knows hes has done nothing to suggest it, beware of the ides of march.[/p][/quote]who appointed Koeman? ctsaint
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4:38pm Thu 14 Aug 14

FortWorth_Saint says...

I just found this in a Romanian Bucharest newspaper. Unfortunately, Google Chrome didn't translate it for me but I believe it confirms the Gardos transfer.

http://www.prensaesc
rita.com/adiario.php
?codigo=&pagina=http
://www.gsp.ro
I just found this in a Romanian Bucharest newspaper. Unfortunately, Google Chrome didn't translate it for me but I believe it confirms the Gardos transfer. http://www.prensaesc rita.com/adiario.php ?codigo=&pagina=http ://www.gsp.ro FortWorth_Saint
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9:00pm Thu 14 Aug 14

lowe esteem says...

andoru wrote:
£12m for Long though … crazy. Happy to have him, but I really question the price, especially if Cork is only valued at £3m. (Yes, I know he only has a year on his contract which brings the value down.)
?according to who?
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: £12m for Long though … crazy. Happy to have him, but I really question the price, especially if Cork is only valued at £3m. (Yes, I know he only has a year on his contract which brings the value down.)[/p][/quote]?according to who? lowe esteem
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9:00pm Thu 14 Aug 14

nomorerumours says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
However we debate the buying in of some players, the debate surrounding money being re-invested can't be disputed!
I hope you mean this as it I suspect you may be being sarcastic - if not I apologise. It demonstrates that our club is ambitious and well managed by RonKo and the board. We will have a stronger squad than at the start of last season but initially a slightly weaker first team on paper. Once Ronko gets the team to gel, which I'm confident will happen very quickly, then we will have a highly competitive team pushing for another top 10 finish.
The comment could be interpreted either way but I am just stating what I feel to be the fact that a lot of people said the money wouldn't be re-invested. But also fair to say the money may not have been re-invested the way some thought it would. Personally I was hoping for a bit of proven quality and I'm not a fan of the Long transfer but it seems to be pretty much a done deal. From here I can only support the team and once again hope that the gods of football will continue to smile on us this season.
I feel that I did judge you rather harshly and for that I do sincerely apologise. What we have in common is passionate support for our team. Like some fans, I do trust Ronko on Long and he does have pace, accurate passing and good ball retention as well as being a reliable workhorse. Yes, £12m (probably including substantial add ons) does seem rather high. It will be interesting to see how Long fits in with Pelle and Tadic - it may turn out to be a masterstroke by Ronko. I feel that our new manager will get the very best out of our players and we should be able to punch well above our weight.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: However we debate the buying in of some players, the debate surrounding money being re-invested can't be disputed![/p][/quote]I hope you mean this as it I suspect you may be being sarcastic - if not I apologise. It demonstrates that our club is ambitious and well managed by RonKo and the board. We will have a stronger squad than at the start of last season but initially a slightly weaker first team on paper. Once Ronko gets the team to gel, which I'm confident will happen very quickly, then we will have a highly competitive team pushing for another top 10 finish.[/p][/quote]The comment could be interpreted either way but I am just stating what I feel to be the fact that a lot of people said the money wouldn't be re-invested. But also fair to say the money may not have been re-invested the way some thought it would. Personally I was hoping for a bit of proven quality and I'm not a fan of the Long transfer but it seems to be pretty much a done deal. From here I can only support the team and once again hope that the gods of football will continue to smile on us this season.[/p][/quote]I feel that I did judge you rather harshly and for that I do sincerely apologise. What we have in common is passionate support for our team. Like some fans, I do trust Ronko on Long and he does have pace, accurate passing and good ball retention as well as being a reliable workhorse. Yes, £12m (probably including substantial add ons) does seem rather high. It will be interesting to see how Long fits in with Pelle and Tadic - it may turn out to be a masterstroke by Ronko. I feel that our new manager will get the very best out of our players and we should be able to punch well above our weight. nomorerumours
  • Score: 2

10:59pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Harry Bong says...

one in the crowd wrote:
saintofatheism wrote:
People are still not happy... Think you need to start looking at the bigger picture. And maybe go to a few games first. I see a very decent rebuild going on. But what do I know, I am only a season ticket holder...
You then are one of the poor loyal fans that where conned into renewing your season ticket early, before the board revealed the catastrophic news regarding the exit of the team etc. If you still have faith in the board, then one can only say its a case of the blind leading the blind.
I was one of those fans who bought early, and one looking forward to the new season. Yes I look at what we sold and think we have done some good business. A striker who is past his best, A midfielder who couldn't last more than 67 minutes, an injury prone left back, a right back who was going to be second choice and on the bench and some other numpty who also don't want to play for us any more. I will judge the new manager and the players at the end of the season and until then will get behind them and support every one of them. Those on here slagging them off is not doing them a justice or giving them a chance. And if they are reading this it might not be doing much for there confidence. Now is the time to get behind the boys. Unite and support our team. COYR.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintofatheism[/bold] wrote: People are still not happy... Think you need to start looking at the bigger picture. And maybe go to a few games first. I see a very decent rebuild going on. But what do I know, I am only a season ticket holder...[/p][/quote]You then are one of the poor loyal fans that where conned into renewing your season ticket early, before the board revealed the catastrophic news regarding the exit of the team etc. If you still have faith in the board, then one can only say its a case of the blind leading the blind.[/p][/quote]I was one of those fans who bought early, and one looking forward to the new season. Yes I look at what we sold and think we have done some good business. A striker who is past his best, A midfielder who couldn't last more than 67 minutes, an injury prone left back, a right back who was going to be second choice and on the bench and some other numpty who also don't want to play for us any more. I will judge the new manager and the players at the end of the season and until then will get behind them and support every one of them. Those on here slagging them off is not doing them a justice or giving them a chance. And if they are reading this it might not be doing much for there confidence. Now is the time to get behind the boys. Unite and support our team. COYR. Harry Bong
  • Score: 3

2:28am Fri 15 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

nomorerumours wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
However we debate the buying in of some players, the debate surrounding money being re-invested can't be disputed!
I hope you mean this as it I suspect you may be being sarcastic - if not I apologise. It demonstrates that our club is ambitious and well managed by RonKo and the board. We will have a stronger squad than at the start of last season but initially a slightly weaker first team on paper. Once Ronko gets the team to gel, which I'm confident will happen very quickly, then we will have a highly competitive team pushing for another top 10 finish.
The comment could be interpreted either way but I am just stating what I feel to be the fact that a lot of people said the money wouldn't be re-invested. But also fair to say the money may not have been re-invested the way some thought it would. Personally I was hoping for a bit of proven quality and I'm not a fan of the Long transfer but it seems to be pretty much a done deal. From here I can only support the team and once again hope that the gods of football will continue to smile on us this season.
I feel that I did judge you rather harshly and for that I do sincerely apologise. What we have in common is passionate support for our team. Like some fans, I do trust Ronko on Long and he does have pace, accurate passing and good ball retention as well as being a reliable workhorse. Yes, £12m (probably including substantial add ons) does seem rather high. It will be interesting to see how Long fits in with Pelle and Tadic - it may turn out to be a masterstroke by Ronko. I feel that our new manager will get the very best out of our players and we should be able to punch well above our weight.
Hey NRM thanks for the reply. It's all good mate, I admit I was taken aback when the price for Long came out and in comparison his goal scoring tally didn't add up to the price we paid. I was hoping for a striker who was a prolific scorer. I was pretty unforgiving in my comments initially but Koeman seems to have a plan with Long's playing style in mind. It would make sense to use his experience scoring in low level teams, his work rate and intensity to assist Pelle in banging in more goals. I hope it pays off because it could be good to watch.
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: However we debate the buying in of some players, the debate surrounding money being re-invested can't be disputed![/p][/quote]I hope you mean this as it I suspect you may be being sarcastic - if not I apologise. It demonstrates that our club is ambitious and well managed by RonKo and the board. We will have a stronger squad than at the start of last season but initially a slightly weaker first team on paper. Once Ronko gets the team to gel, which I'm confident will happen very quickly, then we will have a highly competitive team pushing for another top 10 finish.[/p][/quote]The comment could be interpreted either way but I am just stating what I feel to be the fact that a lot of people said the money wouldn't be re-invested. But also fair to say the money may not have been re-invested the way some thought it would. Personally I was hoping for a bit of proven quality and I'm not a fan of the Long transfer but it seems to be pretty much a done deal. From here I can only support the team and once again hope that the gods of football will continue to smile on us this season.[/p][/quote]I feel that I did judge you rather harshly and for that I do sincerely apologise. What we have in common is passionate support for our team. Like some fans, I do trust Ronko on Long and he does have pace, accurate passing and good ball retention as well as being a reliable workhorse. Yes, £12m (probably including substantial add ons) does seem rather high. It will be interesting to see how Long fits in with Pelle and Tadic - it may turn out to be a masterstroke by Ronko. I feel that our new manager will get the very best out of our players and we should be able to punch well above our weight.[/p][/quote]Hey NRM thanks for the reply. It's all good mate, I admit I was taken aback when the price for Long came out and in comparison his goal scoring tally didn't add up to the price we paid. I was hoping for a striker who was a prolific scorer. I was pretty unforgiving in my comments initially but Koeman seems to have a plan with Long's playing style in mind. It would make sense to use his experience scoring in low level teams, his work rate and intensity to assist Pelle in banging in more goals. I hope it pays off because it could be good to watch. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 0

2:37am Fri 15 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Simmo13 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
However we debate the buying in of some players, the debate surrounding money being re-invested can't be disputed!
Yes but you should be reinvesting in of at least equal or better and we are not £12m for a 10 goal season player is poor value surely that is obvious to anyone ?
I understand your point from a financial view because that was the statement from the board.
It could be said that his true value is yet to be ascertained at Saints though, because it is possible however unlikely it may seem now, that he could really click with the team and like some players that left this summer, see his value increase exponentialy over the course of the season.
[quote][p][bold]Simmo13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: However we debate the buying in of some players, the debate surrounding money being re-invested can't be disputed![/p][/quote]Yes but you should be reinvesting in of at least equal or better and we are not £12m for a 10 goal season player is poor value surely that is obvious to anyone ?[/p][/quote]I understand your point from a financial view because that was the statement from the board. It could be said that his true value is yet to be ascertained at Saints though, because it is possible however unlikely it may seem now, that he could really click with the team and like some players that left this summer, see his value increase exponentialy over the course of the season. KiwiSaint74
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