Southampton have targeted Hull striker Shane Long

Shane Long

Shane Long

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Hull striker Shane Long has emerged as a transfer target for Saints, as they look to increase their firepower for the new Premier League season.

The club are understood to have contacted the Tigers about the 27-year-old, with one report last night suggesting that a £12m fee had already been agreed.

Saints signed striker Graziano Pelle from Feyenoord earlier this summer, but have been planning on adding another forward to their squad before the transfer window shuts.

They have held an interest in Manchester United’s Javier Hernandez, but a deal for the Mexican has always appeared unlikely, with Long perhaps representing a more realistic option.

Saints have looked at Long before, and considered a move for him last January, before Hull signed him.

The high-energy forward was seen then as an ideal fit for the system that they played, and the club are likely to retain a belief that he would suit the style of new manager Ronald Koeman.

The potential size of the reported fee would surprise many people, though, especially as Long has never reached double figures in a single Premier League season.

However, with the new campaign about to get underway, Saints would certainly be keen for a quick resolution to any deal and would know that Hull would likely want a significant profit on the £6m they paid for Long in order to sell so quickly.

With plenty of ammunition in the transfer budget as well, following a summer that has featured some big-money departures, the club can undoubtedly afford to pay a premium.

Long, who has 47 caps and 11 goals for the Republic of Ireland, has only been at Hull since January, when he moved to the club from West Brom.

In his short spell with the Tigers, he made 15 Premier League appearances and scored four times.

Prior to that, Long had been at West Brom since August 2011, after signing from Reading for £6.5m.

He netted 19 top-flight goals in 60 starts and 21 substitute appearances for the Baggies.

Long had previously enjoyed six good years with the Royals, who picked him up from Cork City, scoring 54 times in 203 appearances across all competitions.

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12:05am Wed 13 Aug 14

Mr saint76 says...

Hope it's not a replacement for jay rod.
Hope it's not a replacement for jay rod. Mr saint76
  • Score: -12

12:06am Wed 13 Aug 14

seany1966 says...

No thanks ... Could do better than that surely ... I may be doing the guy an injustice .. We need a bit more pace upfront ...
No thanks ... Could do better than that surely ... I may be doing the guy an injustice .. We need a bit more pace upfront ... seany1966
  • Score: -6

12:16am Wed 13 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

I'm sorry but to pay 12 million for this guy seems a bit desperate, even though we need a striker and we were bound to get ripped off given the amount of money Saints reportedly made with outgoing transfers.
However I hope he works out at Saints, however he was scoring roughly only once every three games at Hull.
I'm sorry but to pay 12 million for this guy seems a bit desperate, even though we need a striker and we were bound to get ripped off given the amount of money Saints reportedly made with outgoing transfers. However I hope he works out at Saints, however he was scoring roughly only once every three games at Hull. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 23

12:23am Wed 13 Aug 14

one in the crowd says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I'm sorry but to pay 12 million for this guy seems a bit desperate, even though we need a striker and we were bound to get ripped off given the amount of money Saints reportedly made with outgoing transfers.
However I hope he works out at Saints, however he was scoring roughly only once every three games at Hull.
The problem for Saints is, the management are truly desperate as time is running out in this transfer window, any club that sells most of its top players before buying replacements is truly incompetent and desperate !
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry but to pay 12 million for this guy seems a bit desperate, even though we need a striker and we were bound to get ripped off given the amount of money Saints reportedly made with outgoing transfers. However I hope he works out at Saints, however he was scoring roughly only once every three games at Hull.[/p][/quote]The problem for Saints is, the management are truly desperate as time is running out in this transfer window, any club that sells most of its top players before buying replacements is truly incompetent and desperate ! one in the crowd
  • Score: -33

12:31am Wed 13 Aug 14

FindAndDestroy says...

12M?????? is he that good? More than what we paid for Dusan???
That would be a rip off....
12M?????? is he that good? More than what we paid for Dusan??? That would be a rip off.... FindAndDestroy
  • Score: 13

12:36am Wed 13 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

I can understand the need for a striker with premier league experience but I would have hoped that the bar was a bit higher.
I can understand the need for a striker with premier league experience but I would have hoped that the bar was a bit higher. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 33

12:41am Wed 13 Aug 14

St.Shakeshaft says...

Really hoping this isn't true. I wouldn't want us to sign him even if we got him for free.

Also, how can the board argue that this signing would in anyway strengthen our squad. All it would do is water it down. I'm sure he's a nice lad, but for me, he's not done enough to prove he's good enough to play for us.
Really hoping this isn't true. I wouldn't want us to sign him even if we got him for free. Also, how can the board argue that this signing would in anyway strengthen our squad. All it would do is water it down. I'm sure he's a nice lad, but for me, he's not done enough to prove he's good enough to play for us. St.Shakeshaft
  • Score: 35

12:52am Wed 13 Aug 14

03alpe01 says...

Chin up guys. Marcos Rojo is going to Man Utd. Javier Hernandez is going to Juventus and Shane Long is coming to Saints.
Chin up guys. Marcos Rojo is going to Man Utd. Javier Hernandez is going to Juventus and Shane Long is coming to Saints. 03alpe01
  • Score: -10

1:03am Wed 13 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

one in the crowd wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I'm sorry but to pay 12 million for this guy seems a bit desperate, even though we need a striker and we were bound to get ripped off given the amount of money Saints reportedly made with outgoing transfers.
However I hope he works out at Saints, however he was scoring roughly only once every three games at Hull.
The problem for Saints is, the management are truly desperate as time is running out in this transfer window, any club that sells most of its top players before buying replacements is truly incompetent and desperate !
Oh shut up.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry but to pay 12 million for this guy seems a bit desperate, even though we need a striker and we were bound to get ripped off given the amount of money Saints reportedly made with outgoing transfers. However I hope he works out at Saints, however he was scoring roughly only once every three games at Hull.[/p][/quote]The problem for Saints is, the management are truly desperate as time is running out in this transfer window, any club that sells most of its top players before buying replacements is truly incompetent and desperate ![/p][/quote]Oh shut up. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 6

1:03am Wed 13 Aug 14

poshdave says...

..........Shocker!!!
!!!!........
..........Shocker!!! !!!!........ poshdave
  • Score: 2

1:06am Wed 13 Aug 14

hedge end bob says...

27 and never hit double fiigures in the EPL??? don't think he wiill improve the squad !!!. I was wrong about Jay lets hope Shane proves me wrong agaiin. Thiink Bruce wiill be laughing all the way to the bank..
27 and never hit double fiigures in the EPL??? don't think he wiill improve the squad !!!. I was wrong about Jay lets hope Shane proves me wrong agaiin. Thiink Bruce wiill be laughing all the way to the bank.. hedge end bob
  • Score: 20

1:08am Wed 13 Aug 14

Shareholder says...

The rumour is from a Sky reporter and they tend to be on the ball. I'm afraid I can't get excited about this though. He's never struck me as anything but average so £12m seems excessive. I may be doing the man a disservice and in a better team he may perform better too. But at that price you'd think we could do better.
The rumour is from a Sky reporter and they tend to be on the ball. I'm afraid I can't get excited about this though. He's never struck me as anything but average so £12m seems excessive. I may be doing the man a disservice and in a better team he may perform better too. But at that price you'd think we could do better. Shareholder
  • Score: 21

1:08am Wed 13 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I can understand the need for a striker with premier league experience but I would have hoped that the bar was a bit higher.
We all said that about Crouchy Kiwi,but he didn't do too bad for us.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I can understand the need for a striker with premier league experience but I would have hoped that the bar was a bit higher.[/p][/quote]We all said that about Crouchy Kiwi,but he didn't do too bad for us. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 22

1:08am Wed 13 Aug 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

Thought the idea was to replace lost players with players of equal or better stranded would rather we kept Rickie! Can't believe I'm saying this but would rather dani Osvaldo than Shane long and for £12M couple more mil we could have ings and Rhodes something don't smell right! I know long will be are back up the real forward will sighn in the next day or so!!!!!!! Lol
Thought the idea was to replace lost players with players of equal or better stranded would rather we kept Rickie! Can't believe I'm saying this but would rather dani Osvaldo than Shane long and for £12M couple more mil we could have ings and Rhodes something don't smell right! I know long will be are back up the real forward will sighn in the next day or so!!!!!!! Lol This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: 7

1:10am Wed 13 Aug 14

Block 42 says...

Thats it for me we are doomed...12mill for shane long...a 27 yo who is injired allvthe time and gets bout 5 gols per season...what is goin on...jay hernandez would pf been better ralph u are a tool..get out..and les reed u lot know nothing...your ruining our club.
Thats it for me we are doomed...12mill for shane long...a 27 yo who is injired allvthe time and gets bout 5 gols per season...what is goin on...jay hernandez would pf been better ralph u are a tool..get out..and les reed u lot know nothing...your ruining our club. Block 42
  • Score: -30

1:13am Wed 13 Aug 14

hedge end bob says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote: I'm sorry but to pay 12 million for this guy seems a bit desperate, even though we need a striker and we were bound to get ripped off given the amount of money Saints reportedly made with outgoing transfers. However I hope he works out at Saints, however he was scoring roughly only once every three games at Hull.
The problem for Saints is, the management are truly desperate as time is running out in this transfer window, any club that sells most of its top players before buying replacements is truly incompetent and desperate !
Oh shut up.
Positive ignore the tw at .
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry but to pay 12 million for this guy seems a bit desperate, even though we need a striker and we were bound to get ripped off given the amount of money Saints reportedly made with outgoing transfers. However I hope he works out at Saints, however he was scoring roughly only once every three games at Hull.[/p][/quote]The problem for Saints is, the management are truly desperate as time is running out in this transfer window, any club that sells most of its top players before buying replacements is truly incompetent and desperate ![/p][/quote]Oh shut up.[/p][/quote]Positive ignore the tw at . hedge end bob
  • Score: 4

1:13am Wed 13 Aug 14

Block 42 says...

But...well done hull city and steve bruce you have sold a veey average striker for 5 mill what u paid in january...please tell me the secrets of your business???#hulcityg
enius...#shrewedmove
But...well done hull city and steve bruce you have sold a veey average striker for 5 mill what u paid in january...please tell me the secrets of your business???#hulcityg enius...#shrewedmove Block 42
  • Score: -24

1:14am Wed 13 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote: I'm sorry but to pay 12 million for this guy seems a bit desperate, even though we need a striker and we were bound to get ripped off given the amount of money Saints reportedly made with outgoing transfers. However I hope he works out at Saints, however he was scoring roughly only once every three games at Hull.
The problem for Saints is, the management are truly desperate as time is running out in this transfer window, any club that sells most of its top players before buying replacements is truly incompetent and desperate !
Oh shut up.
Positive ignore the tw at .
Sorry Bob..its late..or early? ;0)
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry but to pay 12 million for this guy seems a bit desperate, even though we need a striker and we were bound to get ripped off given the amount of money Saints reportedly made with outgoing transfers. However I hope he works out at Saints, however he was scoring roughly only once every three games at Hull.[/p][/quote]The problem for Saints is, the management are truly desperate as time is running out in this transfer window, any club that sells most of its top players before buying replacements is truly incompetent and desperate ![/p][/quote]Oh shut up.[/p][/quote]Positive ignore the tw at .[/p][/quote]Sorry Bob..its late..or early? ;0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

1:15am Wed 13 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I can understand the need for a striker with premier league experience but I would have hoped that the bar was a bit higher.
We all said that about Crouchy Kiwi,but he didn't do too bad for us.
I hope i'm wrong mate. I tend to err on the side of doom lol sorry about that but I guess it's a much better feeling when I am wrong!
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I can understand the need for a striker with premier league experience but I would have hoped that the bar was a bit higher.[/p][/quote]We all said that about Crouchy Kiwi,but he didn't do too bad for us.[/p][/quote]I hope i'm wrong mate. I tend to err on the side of doom lol sorry about that but I guess it's a much better feeling when I am wrong! KiwiSaint74
  • Score: -5

1:18am Wed 13 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Block 42 wrote:
But...well done hull city and steve bruce you have sold a veey average striker for 5 mill what u paid in january...please tell me the secrets of your business???#hulcityg

enius...#shrewedmove
Obviously attended a course at the Les Reed School of business studies.
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: But...well done hull city and steve bruce you have sold a veey average striker for 5 mill what u paid in january...please tell me the secrets of your business???#hulcityg enius...#shrewedmove[/p][/quote]Obviously attended a course at the Les Reed School of business studies. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

1:23am Wed 13 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I can understand the need for a striker with premier league experience but I would have hoped that the bar was a bit higher.
We all said that about Crouchy Kiwi,but he didn't do too bad for us.
I hope i'm wrong mate. I tend to err on the side of doom lol sorry about that but I guess it's a much better feeling when I am wrong!
Well,its wait and see time now.I had a good feeling before last season though,and I'm not getting any bad vibes about this one either..yet.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I can understand the need for a striker with premier league experience but I would have hoped that the bar was a bit higher.[/p][/quote]We all said that about Crouchy Kiwi,but he didn't do too bad for us.[/p][/quote]I hope i'm wrong mate. I tend to err on the side of doom lol sorry about that but I guess it's a much better feeling when I am wrong![/p][/quote]Well,its wait and see time now.I had a good feeling before last season though,and I'm not getting any bad vibes about this one either..yet. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

1:51am Wed 13 Aug 14

beaneroo says...

He is a different type of player compared to pelle and Rodriguez so gives us a different option. Koeman has a good track record of getting strikers to score. Just look what he got out of guidetti and pelle. The price is inflates but that's the way the premiership is these days. If you want to buy from within the prem you pay over the odds. I trust the club scouts to have done their homework and I trust Koeman. Coyrs!
He is a different type of player compared to pelle and Rodriguez so gives us a different option. Koeman has a good track record of getting strikers to score. Just look what he got out of guidetti and pelle. The price is inflates but that's the way the premiership is these days. If you want to buy from within the prem you pay over the odds. I trust the club scouts to have done their homework and I trust Koeman. Coyrs! beaneroo
  • Score: 43

1:51am Wed 13 Aug 14

Outside of the Box says...

WTF
WTF Outside of the Box
  • Score: -13

1:54am Wed 13 Aug 14

Anne Grie says...

Interesting to see you think that as a selling club to the big boys (well semi big), you're now better than players like Shane Long.

Long is a proven goalscorer in the Premiership and has done so without much supply. You would be lucky to get anyone of his ability having sold your soul to Scouseland.

Personally think Long is at a better club right now, pity it's too cold for him up north.
Interesting to see you think that as a selling club to the big boys (well semi big), you're now better than players like Shane Long. Long is a proven goalscorer in the Premiership and has done so without much supply. You would be lucky to get anyone of his ability having sold your soul to Scouseland. Personally think Long is at a better club right now, pity it's too cold for him up north. Anne Grie
  • Score: -18

2:05am Wed 13 Aug 14

elvis says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
WTF
Surely we could get Danny Ings for the same price ? X
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: WTF[/p][/quote]Surely we could get Danny Ings for the same price ? X elvis
  • Score: 28

2:15am Wed 13 Aug 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

beaneroo wrote:
He is a different type of player compared to pelle and Rodriguez so gives us a different option. Koeman has a good track record of getting strikers to score. Just look what he got out of guidetti and pelle. The price is inflates but that's the way the premiership is these days. If you want to buy from within the prem you pay over the odds. I trust the club scouts to have done their homework and I trust Koeman. Coyrs!
You don't need scouts we all seen what "long" did last season sod all! Headless chickens springs to mind! This is the straw that broke the camels back! The clubs has lost it! Panic buying cos they **** around putting silly offers in for players! Leavening them with no time! this makes all are other business look shrewd? Steve Bruce must be **** himself and I thought hull overpaid for him!!!! £12m and the best we can come up with is Shane long? There's no one else out there? What was it about 7 goals all season that's when he was fit? And we sold Rickie for £4m with 12 goals I could understand if he was 18/19 but 27?
Everton payed what for lukaku £20m!
Not one sighing has been anything to get excited about very average and that's what are season will pan out to be very average!!!!
[quote][p][bold]beaneroo[/bold] wrote: He is a different type of player compared to pelle and Rodriguez so gives us a different option. Koeman has a good track record of getting strikers to score. Just look what he got out of guidetti and pelle. The price is inflates but that's the way the premiership is these days. If you want to buy from within the prem you pay over the odds. I trust the club scouts to have done their homework and I trust Koeman. Coyrs![/p][/quote]You don't need scouts we all seen what "long" did last season sod all! Headless chickens springs to mind! This is the straw that broke the camels back! The clubs has lost it! Panic buying cos they **** around putting silly offers in for players! Leavening them with no time! this makes all are other business look shrewd? Steve Bruce must be **** himself and I thought hull overpaid for him!!!! £12m and the best we can come up with is Shane long? There's no one else out there? What was it about 7 goals all season that's when he was fit? And we sold Rickie for £4m with 12 goals I could understand if he was 18/19 but 27? Everton payed what for lukaku £20m! Not one sighing has been anything to get excited about very average and that's what are season will pan out to be very average!!!! This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: -35

2:21am Wed 13 Aug 14

Tirau Dan says...

2 mins ago the fickle fans screamed for a British players and a Prem league striker.. here he is - not a marquee signing but a good workman

We need cover while jay is injured from a player who won't need time to settle into the prem.. Brit players do cost a lot more especially if you are top half and have money.. we will be expected to pay more..

Good Luck Shane Paddy Long hope you bring a bit of blarney luck with ya..
2 mins ago the fickle fans screamed for a British players and a Prem league striker.. here he is - not a marquee signing but a good workman We need cover while jay is injured from a player who won't need time to settle into the prem.. Brit players do cost a lot more especially if you are top half and have money.. we will be expected to pay more.. Good Luck Shane Paddy Long hope you bring a bit of blarney luck with ya.. Tirau Dan
  • Score: 60

2:21am Wed 13 Aug 14

randre says...

Shane Long is one of them players that always causes us and many teams problems. He works hard and has good movement, he could be an ideal partner for Pelle.

12 million is a lot of money, but you can guarantee you will get better performances from Long than you would with Osvaldo.

If Koeman thinks he is worth it then that is good enough for me, I think he may know a little more than me.
Shane Long is one of them players that always causes us and many teams problems. He works hard and has good movement, he could be an ideal partner for Pelle. 12 million is a lot of money, but you can guarantee you will get better performances from Long than you would with Osvaldo. If Koeman thinks he is worth it then that is good enough for me, I think he may know a little more than me. randre
  • Score: 78

2:39am Wed 13 Aug 14

Jan28th1984 says...

I hope Shane isnt reading this thread and thinking "what a bunch of moaning whingers" - he is a good player who always caused us a lot of problems. OK Hull will snap our hand off for £12m but we have shafted more than one club for money this transfer window so we can afford it.

I think Long will link up well with Pelle and Isgrove and also JRod when he returns. Its a smart signing have a bit of faith.

Get in Saints.
I hope Shane isnt reading this thread and thinking "what a bunch of moaning whingers" - he is a good player who always caused us a lot of problems. OK Hull will snap our hand off for £12m but we have shafted more than one club for money this transfer window so we can afford it. I think Long will link up well with Pelle and Isgrove and also JRod when he returns. Its a smart signing have a bit of faith. Get in Saints. Jan28th1984
  • Score: 76

2:45am Wed 13 Aug 14

andoru says...

I'd take him, but not for £12m. He could, as they say, "do a job" for us, but to part with that kind of money is crazy. Mind you, we paid a similar fee for Osvaldo and he only scored three times …
I'd take him, but not for £12m. He could, as they say, "do a job" for us, but to part with that kind of money is crazy. Mind you, we paid a similar fee for Osvaldo and he only scored three times … andoru
  • Score: 17

3:42am Wed 13 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Jan28th1984 wrote:
I hope Shane isnt reading this thread and thinking "what a bunch of moaning whingers" - he is a good player who always caused us a lot of problems. OK Hull will snap our hand off for £12m but we have shafted more than one club for money this transfer window so we can afford it.

I think Long will link up well with Pelle and Isgrove and also JRod when he returns. Its a smart signing have a bit of faith.

Get in Saints.
Agree with some of what you say, but we need a certified goal scorer. I guess time will tell how well the midfield can help make that happen for him. Good luck Shane.
[quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: I hope Shane isnt reading this thread and thinking "what a bunch of moaning whingers" - he is a good player who always caused us a lot of problems. OK Hull will snap our hand off for £12m but we have shafted more than one club for money this transfer window so we can afford it. I think Long will link up well with Pelle and Isgrove and also JRod when he returns. Its a smart signing have a bit of faith. Get in Saints.[/p][/quote]Agree with some of what you say, but we need a certified goal scorer. I guess time will tell how well the midfield can help make that happen for him. Good luck Shane. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 12

3:43am Wed 13 Aug 14

aslouw says...

well that came out of no where.
think thats why a lot of people are taken aback.
12m is too high,then again,we got away with selling
our players over the odds.
in the world of double figures,how many British players
were in those numbers last season or the season before?
early days for saints and roko,re building from outside
instead of from within is never easy.
saturday will be emotional.one way or the other!
well that came out of no where. think thats why a lot of people are taken aback. 12m is too high,then again,we got away with selling our players over the odds. in the world of double figures,how many British players were in those numbers last season or the season before? early days for saints and roko,re building from outside instead of from within is never easy. saturday will be emotional.one way or the other! aslouw
  • Score: 14

4:10am Wed 13 Aug 14

Chipmonk1 says...

Tirau Dan wrote:
2 mins ago the fickle fans screamed for a British players and a Prem league striker.. here he is - not a marquee signing but a good workman

We need cover while jay is injured from a player who won't need time to settle into the prem.. Brit players do cost a lot more especially if you are top half and have money.. we will be expected to pay more..

Good Luck Shane Paddy Long hope you bring a bit of blarney luck with ya..
Well put Dan. Seems some "fans" will only be happy with relegation so they can say I told you so. I think this would be a good signing his return is similar to that we got from SRL in past two seasons. Is it too much? Seems going rate for a striker if McCormack is worth 11 million to play in the championship. Prices are now grossly inflated and if we want to be part of it we have to pay these stupid fees or put all our eggs in one basket and buy foreign players unproven in the PL and hope they work out.
[quote][p][bold]Tirau Dan[/bold] wrote: 2 mins ago the fickle fans screamed for a British players and a Prem league striker.. here he is - not a marquee signing but a good workman We need cover while jay is injured from a player who won't need time to settle into the prem.. Brit players do cost a lot more especially if you are top half and have money.. we will be expected to pay more.. Good Luck Shane Paddy Long hope you bring a bit of blarney luck with ya..[/p][/quote]Well put Dan. Seems some "fans" will only be happy with relegation so they can say I told you so. I think this would be a good signing his return is similar to that we got from SRL in past two seasons. Is it too much? Seems going rate for a striker if McCormack is worth 11 million to play in the championship. Prices are now grossly inflated and if we want to be part of it we have to pay these stupid fees or put all our eggs in one basket and buy foreign players unproven in the PL and hope they work out. Chipmonk1
  • Score: 23

4:17am Wed 13 Aug 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

I don't believe it! said Victor Meldrew...
I don't believe it! said Victor Meldrew... Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: -2

4:44am Wed 13 Aug 14

Bwana23 says...

Chipmonk1 wrote:
Tirau Dan wrote:
2 mins ago the fickle fans screamed for a British players and a Prem league striker.. here he is - not a marquee signing but a good workman

We need cover while jay is injured from a player who won't need time to settle into the prem.. Brit players do cost a lot more especially if you are top half and have money.. we will be expected to pay more..

Good Luck Shane Paddy Long hope you bring a bit of blarney luck with ya..
Well put Dan. Seems some "fans" will only be happy with relegation so they can say I told you so. I think this would be a good signing his return is similar to that we got from SRL in past two seasons. Is it too much? Seems going rate for a striker if McCormack is worth 11 million to play in the championship. Prices are now grossly inflated and if we want to be part of it we have to pay these stupid fees or put all our eggs in one basket and buy foreign players unproven in the PL and hope they work out.
Doomed if we do and doomed if we don't!! Could be the service to him while at Hull was poor but certain the Saints will improve that!! Strikers can only score if the ball is presented to them!!
[quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tirau Dan[/bold] wrote: 2 mins ago the fickle fans screamed for a British players and a Prem league striker.. here he is - not a marquee signing but a good workman We need cover while jay is injured from a player who won't need time to settle into the prem.. Brit players do cost a lot more especially if you are top half and have money.. we will be expected to pay more.. Good Luck Shane Paddy Long hope you bring a bit of blarney luck with ya..[/p][/quote]Well put Dan. Seems some "fans" will only be happy with relegation so they can say I told you so. I think this would be a good signing his return is similar to that we got from SRL in past two seasons. Is it too much? Seems going rate for a striker if McCormack is worth 11 million to play in the championship. Prices are now grossly inflated and if we want to be part of it we have to pay these stupid fees or put all our eggs in one basket and buy foreign players unproven in the PL and hope they work out.[/p][/quote]Doomed if we do and doomed if we don't!! Could be the service to him while at Hull was poor but certain the Saints will improve that!! Strikers can only score if the ball is presented to them!! Bwana23
  • Score: 27

5:14am Wed 13 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Speaking in April, Hull boss Steve Bruce hailed his striking duo, commenting: “You are only as good as your strikers, and with those two we’ve got as good as anyone else in the bottom half of the division.”
Midfield support aside, I hope this comment doesn't reflect our intent.
Speaking in April, Hull boss Steve Bruce hailed his striking duo, commenting: “You are only as good as your strikers, and with those two we’ve got as good as anyone else in the bottom half of the division.” Midfield support aside, I hope this comment doesn't reflect our intent. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 7

5:23am Wed 13 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

Why all the long faces? Sorry couldn't resist that one, I think he will do a descent job for saints, he works hard, closes defenders down and will score goals if given the chance. As for the price the £12m being quoted in the press is probably with add on's.
Why all the long faces? Sorry couldn't resist that one, I think he will do a descent job for saints, he works hard, closes defenders down and will score goals if given the chance. As for the price the £12m being quoted in the press is probably with add on's. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 17

5:32am Wed 13 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.
The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced. redandy10
  • Score: 5

5:40am Wed 13 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

redandy10 wrote:
The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.
His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.[/p][/quote]His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 7

5:45am Wed 13 Aug 14

NikkkoNik says...

Shocking a brainless desperate board who are consistently failing by the hour daily since they came into power. The shows a plan to keep the money and run. Why would you buy a low end has been who has consistently failed in the premier league? We have just let the argentine defender be snapped up by Man Utd because we dithered.. This board has been the worst board at our most critical hour, If I was the manager I would walk, this board has failed to get key quality signings in when we most need it to perform, why not buy Ings, Zahire, anyone not a Hull failure,
Shocking a brainless desperate board who are consistently failing by the hour daily since they came into power. The shows a plan to keep the money and run. Why would you buy a low end has been who has consistently failed in the premier league? We have just let the argentine defender be snapped up by Man Utd because we dithered.. This board has been the worst board at our most critical hour, If I was the manager I would walk, this board has failed to get key quality signings in when we most need it to perform, why not buy Ings, Zahire, anyone not a Hull failure, NikkkoNik
  • Score: -42

5:55am Wed 13 Aug 14

Rooflas says...

NikkkoNik wrote:
Shocking a brainless desperate board who are consistently failing by the hour daily since they came into power. The shows a plan to keep the money and run. Why would you buy a low end has been who has consistently failed in the premier league? We have just let the argentine defender be snapped up by Man Utd because we dithered.. This board has been the worst board at our most critical hour, If I was the manager I would walk, this board has failed to get key quality signings in when we most need it to perform, why not buy Ings, Zahire, anyone not a Hull failure,
Such cr4p
[quote][p][bold]NikkkoNik[/bold] wrote: Shocking a brainless desperate board who are consistently failing by the hour daily since they came into power. The shows a plan to keep the money and run. Why would you buy a low end has been who has consistently failed in the premier league? We have just let the argentine defender be snapped up by Man Utd because we dithered.. This board has been the worst board at our most critical hour, If I was the manager I would walk, this board has failed to get key quality signings in when we most need it to perform, why not buy Ings, Zahire, anyone not a Hull failure,[/p][/quote]Such cr4p Rooflas
  • Score: 17

5:56am Wed 13 Aug 14

Simmo13 says...

Well 12m if that's what we are getting in for that price don't hold out much hope 10 goal a season man with no pace !
Well 12m if that's what we are getting in for that price don't hold out much hope 10 goal a season man with no pace ! Simmo13
  • Score: -3

6:00am Wed 13 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.
His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.
I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons.

If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.[/p][/quote]His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons. If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle. redandy10
  • Score: -2

6:01am Wed 13 Aug 14

Chapperall says...

I don't see this potential signing as bad as others . He may be a very good fit with Pele as he is high energy. Secondly RK knows a **** sight more about football than most of us so if he thinks he's good enough that's fine with me.
I don't see this potential signing as bad as others . He may be a very good fit with Pele as he is high energy. Secondly RK knows a **** sight more about football than most of us so if he thinks he's good enough that's fine with me. Chapperall
  • Score: 16

6:01am Wed 13 Aug 14

merrysaint says...

Scored 4 goals last season......I think wed need to aim our standards a bit higher, don't you?
12M?...........makes Lambert worth 20M
Scored 4 goals last season......I think wed need to aim our standards a bit higher, don't you? 12M?...........makes Lambert worth 20M merrysaint
  • Score: 7

6:06am Wed 13 Aug 14

Chipmonk1 says...

NikkkoNik wrote:
Shocking a brainless desperate board who are consistently failing by the hour daily since they came into power. The shows a plan to keep the money and run. Why would you buy a low end has been who has consistently failed in the premier league? We have just let the argentine defender be snapped up by Man Utd because we dithered.. This board has been the worst board at our most critical hour, If I was the manager I would walk, this board has failed to get key quality signings in when we most need it to perform, why not buy Ings, Zahire, anyone not a Hull failure,
We missed out on Rojo for the same reason we missed out on Buttner. The player was hoping a big club would come in for them. I can guarantee that Les Reed wishes it was as simple as offering money. Rojo has apparently handed in a transfer request when the mancs came calling not us. We can only sign players that want to come not the ones you want to come. I hope that if signed the neggies will at least get behind Long after all he will be a Saint
[quote][p][bold]NikkkoNik[/bold] wrote: Shocking a brainless desperate board who are consistently failing by the hour daily since they came into power. The shows a plan to keep the money and run. Why would you buy a low end has been who has consistently failed in the premier league? We have just let the argentine defender be snapped up by Man Utd because we dithered.. This board has been the worst board at our most critical hour, If I was the manager I would walk, this board has failed to get key quality signings in when we most need it to perform, why not buy Ings, Zahire, anyone not a Hull failure,[/p][/quote]We missed out on Rojo for the same reason we missed out on Buttner. The player was hoping a big club would come in for them. I can guarantee that Les Reed wishes it was as simple as offering money. Rojo has apparently handed in a transfer request when the mancs came calling not us. We can only sign players that want to come not the ones you want to come. I hope that if signed the neggies will at least get behind Long after all he will be a Saint Chipmonk1
  • Score: 25

6:10am Wed 13 Aug 14

Rooflas says...

£12m is a lot of money but it's not the players fault FFs. How about a nice welcoming and good luck to him! Nothing like wanting to play your heart out for your club with their supportive fans!
When he hits the back of the net or gets the winner against Liverpool on Sunday I hoe a few of you choke on your Sunday roast.
He will chase down and get on the end of a lot of lost causes.
£12m is a lot of money but it's not the players fault FFs. How about a nice welcoming and good luck to him! Nothing like wanting to play your heart out for your club with their supportive fans! When he hits the back of the net or gets the winner against Liverpool on Sunday I hoe a few of you choke on your Sunday roast. He will chase down and get on the end of a lot of lost causes. Rooflas
  • Score: 22

6:11am Wed 13 Aug 14

Saintlee72 says...

Great signing. Never seen such a tenacious player - chases everything. Quick and strong. Maybe his goal to game ratio is not very prolific but he'll win you over with his work rate alone.
Stop dreaming - Hernandez and co were never ever going to come.
Welcome to St Marys Shano !!!!!
Great signing. Never seen such a tenacious player - chases everything. Quick and strong. Maybe his goal to game ratio is not very prolific but he'll win you over with his work rate alone. Stop dreaming - Hernandez and co were never ever going to come. Welcome to St Marys Shano !!!!! Saintlee72
  • Score: 38

6:13am Wed 13 Aug 14

Norwegian Saint says...

Im on the "surprised at that amount fee" wagon and would have liked a fresh bid for Danny Ings but the more important point here is "where are the blooming defenders"?
Has Ronald come as a player/manager???
Im on the "surprised at that amount fee" wagon and would have liked a fresh bid for Danny Ings but the more important point here is "where are the blooming defenders"? Has Ronald come as a player/manager??? Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 4

6:23am Wed 13 Aug 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

Wickham for 8m absolute no-brainer? Please tell me this just a bad dream! and we are bringing another forward as well as long!!!!!!!!
Wickham for 8m absolute no-brainer? Please tell me this just a bad dream! and we are bringing another forward as well as long!!!!!!!! This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: -5

6:29am Wed 13 Aug 14

one in the crowd says...

This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
Thought the idea was to replace lost players with players of equal or better stranded would rather we kept Rickie! Can't believe I'm saying this but would rather dani Osvaldo than Shane long and for £12M couple more mil we could have ings and Rhodes something don't smell right! I know long will be are back up the real forward will sighn in the next day or so!!!!!!! Lol
How do you keep a straight face when you come out with such optimistic thoughts, even though all the signs around you should tell you " all hope is lost, we still don't have e decent team ".
[quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: Thought the idea was to replace lost players with players of equal or better stranded would rather we kept Rickie! Can't believe I'm saying this but would rather dani Osvaldo than Shane long and for £12M couple more mil we could have ings and Rhodes something don't smell right! I know long will be are back up the real forward will sighn in the next day or so!!!!!!! Lol[/p][/quote]How do you keep a straight face when you come out with such optimistic thoughts, even though all the signs around you should tell you " all hope is lost, we still don't have e decent team ". one in the crowd
  • Score: -6

6:34am Wed 13 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

redandy10 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.
His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.
I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons.

If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.
Let's get real Hernandez, Bony or Hunterlaa were never going to join saints because we do not pay big wages and we can't offer them European football.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.[/p][/quote]His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons. If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.[/p][/quote]Let's get real Hernandez, Bony or Hunterlaa were never going to join saints because we do not pay big wages and we can't offer them European football. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 11

6:35am Wed 13 Aug 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

one in the crowd wrote:
This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
Thought the idea was to replace lost players with players of equal or better stranded would rather we kept Rickie! Can't believe I'm saying this but would rather dani Osvaldo than Shane long and for £12M couple more mil we could have ings and Rhodes something don't smell right! I know long will be are back up the real forward will sighn in the next day or so!!!!!!! Lol
How do you keep a straight face when you come out with such optimistic thoughts, even though all the signs around you should tell you " all hope is lost, we still don't have e decent team ".
It's called sarcasm?
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: Thought the idea was to replace lost players with players of equal or better stranded would rather we kept Rickie! Can't believe I'm saying this but would rather dani Osvaldo than Shane long and for £12M couple more mil we could have ings and Rhodes something don't smell right! I know long will be are back up the real forward will sighn in the next day or so!!!!!!! Lol[/p][/quote]How do you keep a straight face when you come out with such optimistic thoughts, even though all the signs around you should tell you " all hope is lost, we still don't have e decent team ".[/p][/quote]It's called sarcasm? This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: 0

6:38am Wed 13 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

one in the crowd wrote:
This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
Thought the idea was to replace lost players with players of equal or better stranded would rather we kept Rickie! Can't believe I'm saying this but would rather dani Osvaldo than Shane long and for £12M couple more mil we could have ings and Rhodes something don't smell right! I know long will be are back up the real forward will sighn in the next day or so!!!!!!! Lol
How do you keep a straight face when you come out with such optimistic thoughts, even though all the signs around you should tell you " all hope is lost, we still don't have e decent team ".
You are right, poopey don't have a decent team COYR+WS.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: Thought the idea was to replace lost players with players of equal or better stranded would rather we kept Rickie! Can't believe I'm saying this but would rather dani Osvaldo than Shane long and for £12M couple more mil we could have ings and Rhodes something don't smell right! I know long will be are back up the real forward will sighn in the next day or so!!!!!!! Lol[/p][/quote]How do you keep a straight face when you come out with such optimistic thoughts, even though all the signs around you should tell you " all hope is lost, we still don't have e decent team ".[/p][/quote]You are right, poopey don't have a decent team COYR+WS. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 7

6:41am Wed 13 Aug 14

GHamilton says...

Woefull....absolutel
y woefull signing if it'srue, he'll score less than Andy Carrol....where the hell is Charlie Austin when you need him??, great little poacher. If Lampard can play in the premier league until the US season starts why can'we get in Jermin Defeo from the US. COME ON SOUTHAMPTON WE CAN DO FAR BETTER THAN THIS!!
Woefull....absolutel y woefull signing if it'srue, he'll score less than Andy Carrol....where the hell is Charlie Austin when you need him??, great little poacher. If Lampard can play in the premier league until the US season starts why can'we get in Jermin Defeo from the US. COME ON SOUTHAMPTON WE CAN DO FAR BETTER THAN THIS!! GHamilton
  • Score: -7

6:42am Wed 13 Aug 14

Dubai-saints89 says...

this looks like a done deal but i am seriously starting to worry. this has got panic buy written all over it, from Hernandez to Long, Rojo to Byram. what is exactly going on? we have every right to question the board, with so much money available to us we still cant seem to bring in any marquee signings ..?!
this looks like a done deal but i am seriously starting to worry. this has got panic buy written all over it, from Hernandez to Long, Rojo to Byram. what is exactly going on? we have every right to question the board, with so much money available to us we still cant seem to bring in any marquee signings ..?! Dubai-saints89
  • Score: 3

6:46am Wed 13 Aug 14

one in the crowd says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
Im on the "surprised at that amount fee" wagon and would have liked a fresh bid for Danny Ings but the more important point here is "where are the blooming defenders"?
Has Ronald come as a player/manager???
I raised that observation some weeks ago and nobody agreed with me then !
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Im on the "surprised at that amount fee" wagon and would have liked a fresh bid for Danny Ings but the more important point here is "where are the blooming defenders"? Has Ronald come as a player/manager???[/p][/quote]I raised that observation some weeks ago and nobody agreed with me then ! one in the crowd
  • Score: -5

6:48am Wed 13 Aug 14

InCortesewetrust says...

Mugged right off by hull City! This is panic buying this finest, I'm surprised that RK has let "someone" tell him who to purchase, I bet he has never heard of the mighty Shane long, the question for RK,,,, if les reed told you to jump off the itchin bridge would. you?
Mugged right off by hull City! This is panic buying this finest, I'm surprised that RK has let "someone" tell him who to purchase, I bet he has never heard of the mighty Shane long, the question for RK,,,, if les reed told you to jump off the itchin bridge would. you? InCortesewetrust
  • Score: -4

6:51am Wed 13 Aug 14

st.athan saint says...

elvis wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
WTF
Surely we could get Danny Ings for the same price ? X
who has actually not even played in the premiership !!!!
[quote][p][bold]elvis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: WTF[/p][/quote]Surely we could get Danny Ings for the same price ? X[/p][/quote]who has actually not even played in the premiership !!!! st.athan saint
  • Score: 11

6:51am Wed 13 Aug 14

Dubai-saints89 says...

Anne Grie wrote:
Interesting to see you think that as a selling club to the big boys (well semi big), you're now better than players like Shane Long.

Long is a proven goalscorer in the Premiership and has done so without much supply. You would be lucky to get anyone of his ability having sold your soul to Scouseland.

Personally think Long is at a better club right now, pity it's too cold for him up north.
yes hes scored goals but he is nothing but average. i can think of players in the championship or abroad that i would rather have, 12mil is ludicrous. and at a batter club? get over yourself you tool. hull are awful, 4-1 and 0-1 comes to mind, even bruce said we were the best side to play them last season..at a better club..hahaha.
[quote][p][bold]Anne Grie[/bold] wrote: Interesting to see you think that as a selling club to the big boys (well semi big), you're now better than players like Shane Long. Long is a proven goalscorer in the Premiership and has done so without much supply. You would be lucky to get anyone of his ability having sold your soul to Scouseland. Personally think Long is at a better club right now, pity it's too cold for him up north.[/p][/quote]yes hes scored goals but he is nothing but average. i can think of players in the championship or abroad that i would rather have, 12mil is ludicrous. and at a batter club? get over yourself you tool. hull are awful, 4-1 and 0-1 comes to mind, even bruce said we were the best side to play them last season..at a better club..hahaha. Dubai-saints89
  • Score: -8

6:52am Wed 13 Aug 14

IOAD says...

redandy10 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.
His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.
I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons.

If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.
We've not gone and bought the Hull, WBA or Reading midfield, though, have we? How many goals would Hernandez have scored if he'd played in those teams? He looks like a poacher, someone with instinct who can latch on to through-balls and be in the right place for knockdowns... in short, he's precisely what we need, and precisely what we were missing at the weekend.
Forwards work in combinations. Think back over the last few years and look at the partnerships that worked and the ones that didn't. It's more art than science. This isn't your Premier League Manager computer game, you know, where his rating of 8.5 would bring the aggregate score for your team down. This is about building a goal scoring unit. Here's a player with Premiership and international experience, and I dare say RK has made it clear that this is the sort of player Pelle needs to play off. He could be wrong; mistakes happen. But can we just wait until he's played a few games before we decide?
Remember when everybody complained that we weren't buying players and KL was stripping the club for an imminent sale? The neggies were wrong then. Just maybe they're wrong now. Let's find out.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.[/p][/quote]His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons. If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.[/p][/quote]We've not gone and bought the Hull, WBA or Reading midfield, though, have we? How many goals would Hernandez have scored if he'd played in those teams? He looks like a poacher, someone with instinct who can latch on to through-balls and be in the right place for knockdowns... in short, he's precisely what we need, and precisely what we were missing at the weekend. Forwards work in combinations. Think back over the last few years and look at the partnerships that worked and the ones that didn't. It's more art than science. This isn't your Premier League Manager computer game, you know, where his rating of 8.5 would bring the aggregate score for your team down. This is about building a goal scoring unit. Here's a player with Premiership and international experience, and I dare say RK has made it clear that this is the sort of player Pelle needs to play off. He could be wrong; mistakes happen. But can we just wait until he's played a few games before we decide? Remember when everybody complained that we weren't buying players and KL was stripping the club for an imminent sale? The neggies were wrong then. Just maybe they're wrong now. Let's find out. IOAD
  • Score: 29

6:52am Wed 13 Aug 14

murfmeister says...

Tirau Dan wrote:
2 mins ago the fickle fans screamed for a British players and a Prem league striker.. here he is - not a marquee signing but a good workman

We need cover while jay is injured from a player who won't need time to settle into the prem.. Brit players do cost a lot more especially if you are top half and have money.. we will be expected to pay more..

Good Luck Shane Paddy Long hope you bring a bit of blarney luck with ya..
He's not British! There's better out the for half the money. He only averaged 1 in 4 wherever he's been and at 27 seems to be on the expensive side!!

Danny Ings for me all day long
[quote][p][bold]Tirau Dan[/bold] wrote: 2 mins ago the fickle fans screamed for a British players and a Prem league striker.. here he is - not a marquee signing but a good workman We need cover while jay is injured from a player who won't need time to settle into the prem.. Brit players do cost a lot more especially if you are top half and have money.. we will be expected to pay more.. Good Luck Shane Paddy Long hope you bring a bit of blarney luck with ya..[/p][/quote]He's not British! There's better out the for half the money. He only averaged 1 in 4 wherever he's been and at 27 seems to be on the expensive side!! Danny Ings for me all day long murfmeister
  • Score: 2

6:52am Wed 13 Aug 14

GHamilton says...

Thank god for that.....just heard we've not bid £12m for Shane Long....no i'ts Shane Warne we're after.!
Thank god for that.....just heard we've not bid £12m for Shane Long....no i'ts Shane Warne we're after.! GHamilton
  • Score: 2

6:53am Wed 13 Aug 14

murfmeister says...

Tirau Dan wrote:
2 mins ago the fickle fans screamed for a British players and a Prem league striker.. here he is - not a marquee signing but a good workman

We need cover while jay is injured from a player who won't need time to settle into the prem.. Brit players do cost a lot more especially if you are top half and have money.. we will be expected to pay more..

Good Luck Shane Paddy Long hope you bring a bit of blarney luck with ya..
He's not British! There's better out the for half the money. He only averaged 1 in 4 wherever he's been and at 27 seems to be on the expensive side!!

Average signing at best
Danny Ings for me all day long
[quote][p][bold]Tirau Dan[/bold] wrote: 2 mins ago the fickle fans screamed for a British players and a Prem league striker.. here he is - not a marquee signing but a good workman We need cover while jay is injured from a player who won't need time to settle into the prem.. Brit players do cost a lot more especially if you are top half and have money.. we will be expected to pay more.. Good Luck Shane Paddy Long hope you bring a bit of blarney luck with ya..[/p][/quote]He's not British! There's better out the for half the money. He only averaged 1 in 4 wherever he's been and at 27 seems to be on the expensive side!! Average signing at best Danny Ings for me all day long murfmeister
  • Score: -1

6:58am Wed 13 Aug 14

lovemachine says...

Thought we had ambition-apparently not!! Gutted
Thought we had ambition-apparently not!! Gutted lovemachine
  • Score: -3

6:58am Wed 13 Aug 14

one in the crowd says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
Thought the idea was to replace lost players with players of equal or better stranded would rather we kept Rickie! Can't believe I'm saying this but would rather dani Osvaldo than Shane long and for £12M couple more mil we could have ings and Rhodes something don't smell right! I know long will be are back up the real forward will sighn in the next day or so!!!!!!! Lol
How do you keep a straight face when you come out with such optimistic thoughts, even though all the signs around you should tell you " all hope is lost, we still don't have e decent team ".
You are right, poopey don't have a decent team COYR+WS.
I'm afraid that you have it totally wrong since I live 252 miles from Portsmouth and support Liverpool.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: Thought the idea was to replace lost players with players of equal or better stranded would rather we kept Rickie! Can't believe I'm saying this but would rather dani Osvaldo than Shane long and for £12M couple more mil we could have ings and Rhodes something don't smell right! I know long will be are back up the real forward will sighn in the next day or so!!!!!!! Lol[/p][/quote]How do you keep a straight face when you come out with such optimistic thoughts, even though all the signs around you should tell you " all hope is lost, we still don't have e decent team ".[/p][/quote]You are right, poopey don't have a decent team COYR+WS.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid that you have it totally wrong since I live 252 miles from Portsmouth and support Liverpool. one in the crowd
  • Score: -16

7:04am Wed 13 Aug 14

bobpetch says...

What a waste of £12m. Bad call!!!
What a waste of £12m. Bad call!!! bobpetch
  • Score: 1

7:10am Wed 13 Aug 14

Saintsayer II says...

Ings or Rhodes for less money would seem the better option or even stick with Mayuka
Ings or Rhodes for less money would seem the better option or even stick with Mayuka Saintsayer II
  • Score: 0

7:11am Wed 13 Aug 14

saintmicky says...

lovemachine wrote:
Thought we had ambition-apparently not!! Gutted
I'm with you 'gutted' this open display of no ambition is more devastating than any of the sales, or bargain basement signings so far, no wonder everyone wanted to leave!
[quote][p][bold]lovemachine[/bold] wrote: Thought we had ambition-apparently not!! Gutted[/p][/quote]I'm with you 'gutted' this open display of no ambition is more devastating than any of the sales, or bargain basement signings so far, no wonder everyone wanted to leave! saintmicky
  • Score: -3

7:11am Wed 13 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

IOAD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.
His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.
I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons.

If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.
We've not gone and bought the Hull, WBA or Reading midfield, though, have we? How many goals would Hernandez have scored if he'd played in those teams? He looks like a poacher, someone with instinct who can latch on to through-balls and be in the right place for knockdowns... in short, he's precisely what we need, and precisely what we were missing at the weekend.
Forwards work in combinations. Think back over the last few years and look at the partnerships that worked and the ones that didn't. It's more art than science. This isn't your Premier League Manager computer game, you know, where his rating of 8.5 would bring the aggregate score for your team down. This is about building a goal scoring unit. Here's a player with Premiership and international experience, and I dare say RK has made it clear that this is the sort of player Pelle needs to play off. He could be wrong; mistakes happen. But can we just wait until he's played a few games before we decide?
Remember when everybody complained that we weren't buying players and KL was stripping the club for an imminent sale? The neggies were wrong then. Just maybe they're wrong now. Let's find out.
A very strange reply.

Firstly, his goal scoring ratio isn't a stat from a make believe computer game, it's a FACT. And for a forward, quite an important one!!!

And what you go on about building a goal scoring unit is why I speculated and said that maybe Ron bought him in to do the grunt work for Pelle. So I don't understand your little rant on that!

What's the asset stripping theory got to do with buying Long? I was giving my take on if Long is worth the money!!!

Also who said that we bought the WBA, Reading or Hull midfield?

And you start going on about on about neggies?

ARE YOU SURE YOU WERE REPLYING TO THE RIGHT POST?
[quote][p][bold]IOAD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.[/p][/quote]His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons. If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.[/p][/quote]We've not gone and bought the Hull, WBA or Reading midfield, though, have we? How many goals would Hernandez have scored if he'd played in those teams? He looks like a poacher, someone with instinct who can latch on to through-balls and be in the right place for knockdowns... in short, he's precisely what we need, and precisely what we were missing at the weekend. Forwards work in combinations. Think back over the last few years and look at the partnerships that worked and the ones that didn't. It's more art than science. This isn't your Premier League Manager computer game, you know, where his rating of 8.5 would bring the aggregate score for your team down. This is about building a goal scoring unit. Here's a player with Premiership and international experience, and I dare say RK has made it clear that this is the sort of player Pelle needs to play off. He could be wrong; mistakes happen. But can we just wait until he's played a few games before we decide? Remember when everybody complained that we weren't buying players and KL was stripping the club for an imminent sale? The neggies were wrong then. Just maybe they're wrong now. Let's find out.[/p][/quote]A very strange reply. Firstly, his goal scoring ratio isn't a stat from a make believe computer game, it's a FACT. And for a forward, quite an important one!!! And what you go on about building a goal scoring unit is why I speculated and said that maybe Ron bought him in to do the grunt work for Pelle. So I don't understand your little rant on that! What's the asset stripping theory got to do with buying Long? I was giving my take on if Long is worth the money!!! Also who said that we bought the WBA, Reading or Hull midfield? And you start going on about on about neggies? ARE YOU SURE YOU WERE REPLYING TO THE RIGHT POST? redandy10
  • Score: -1

7:13am Wed 13 Aug 14

Rooflas says...

All you so called supporters having a pop should hang your heads in shame. Long hasn't agreed the price and has come down from hill to a better club and to improve himself. Slating him before he's kicked a ball for us is madness, and why would he want to put a shift in with fans like some of you!
He is a proven premier league player unlike Danny ings (although I would also give him a chance as a local lad, netley) who I think could poach a few goals for us and fit in.
All you so called supporters having a pop should hang your heads in shame. Long hasn't agreed the price and has come down from hill to a better club and to improve himself. Slating him before he's kicked a ball for us is madness, and why would he want to put a shift in with fans like some of you! He is a proven premier league player unlike Danny ings (although I would also give him a chance as a local lad, netley) who I think could poach a few goals for us and fit in. Rooflas
  • Score: 31

7:13am Wed 13 Aug 14

expatsaint says...

Jan28th1984 wrote:
I hope Shane isnt reading this thread and thinking "what a bunch of moaning whingers" - he is a good player who always caused us a lot of problems. OK Hull will snap our hand off for £12m but we have shafted more than one club for money this transfer window so we can afford it.

I think Long will link up well with Pelle and Isgrove and also JRod when he returns. Its a smart signing have a bit of faith.

Get in Saints.
Agreed. Long is a pacey and hard-working striker who, unfortunately for him, has never really played for a team that was able to provide him with goal scoring opportunities. Harsh to judge him on Reading, WBA , Hull and the Republic. That said, 12 million quid is way over the odds. However, one contributor said he'd rather stick with Osvaldo; are you crazy? If nothing else, Long will always give 100% - can hardly say the same for that egotistical prat!
[quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: I hope Shane isnt reading this thread and thinking "what a bunch of moaning whingers" - he is a good player who always caused us a lot of problems. OK Hull will snap our hand off for £12m but we have shafted more than one club for money this transfer window so we can afford it. I think Long will link up well with Pelle and Isgrove and also JRod when he returns. Its a smart signing have a bit of faith. Get in Saints.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Long is a pacey and hard-working striker who, unfortunately for him, has never really played for a team that was able to provide him with goal scoring opportunities. Harsh to judge him on Reading, WBA , Hull and the Republic. That said, 12 million quid is way over the odds. However, one contributor said he'd rather stick with Osvaldo; are you crazy? If nothing else, Long will always give 100% - can hardly say the same for that egotistical prat! expatsaint
  • Score: 20

7:14am Wed 13 Aug 14

Saint Clements says...

"Judge me on who we bring in come Sept 1st" said Ralph.

Well, if we lose Ricky, Adam, Luke and Lovren and bring in Shane Long - at £12m, I may add - then judge you I will Ralph. And I'm afraid that in my opinion, which is what you asked Saints fans to give come that date, you will have failed. Miserably.

I've tried to avoid phrases like Happy Clappers, but seriously, if anyone can talk themselves into thinking the Board have a plan if this goes through... well, they're really are none so blind as those who will not see.
"Judge me on who we bring in come Sept 1st" said Ralph. Well, if we lose Ricky, Adam, Luke and Lovren and bring in Shane Long - at £12m, I may add - then judge you I will Ralph. And I'm afraid that in my opinion, which is what you asked Saints fans to give come that date, you will have failed. Miserably. I've tried to avoid phrases like Happy Clappers, but seriously, if anyone can talk themselves into thinking the Board have a plan if this goes through... well, they're really are none so blind as those who will not see. Saint Clements
  • Score: -13

7:20am Wed 13 Aug 14

saint christopher says...

Unfortunately the rest of the PL have been on a feeding frenzy for at least 2 months with strikers being their main priority - many have had at least 4 and have still been talking about needing cover, extra depth etc.

A lot of good buys have therefore disappeared and we are left with (a) proven international goalscorers or highly-rated British youngsters who to be honest will never come here in preference to the "glamour" clubs or (b) unproven foreign youngsters who may or may not cut it in the PL.

We're between a rock and a hard place on this one, and although I'm sure there's feverish activity going on I'm not feeling hopeful at the moment that this weakness is going to be solved. For all the talk about CB's etc most PL clubs work on the principle that it's strikers who win you matches and maximise your points tally. It cost us last year and we're still way behind our competitors in this area again given that JarRod may not be fully up to speed this side of January.

You can stop other teams scoring through tactics but you can't score goals without a couple of class strikers in every game. Really needs to be a priority at the football factory known as Saints Academy me thinks.
Unfortunately the rest of the PL have been on a feeding frenzy for at least 2 months with strikers being their main priority - many have had at least 4 and have still been talking about needing cover, extra depth etc. A lot of good buys have therefore disappeared and we are left with (a) proven international goalscorers or highly-rated British youngsters who to be honest will never come here in preference to the "glamour" clubs or (b) unproven foreign youngsters who may or may not cut it in the PL. We're between a rock and a hard place on this one, and although I'm sure there's feverish activity going on I'm not feeling hopeful at the moment that this weakness is going to be solved. For all the talk about CB's etc most PL clubs work on the principle that it's strikers who win you matches and maximise your points tally. It cost us last year and we're still way behind our competitors in this area again given that JarRod may not be fully up to speed this side of January. You can stop other teams scoring through tactics but you can't score goals without a couple of class strikers in every game. Really needs to be a priority at the football factory known as Saints Academy me thinks. saint christopher
  • Score: 6

7:22am Wed 13 Aug 14

wrypop says...

He is signed - does this mean we are going back to the 'Long' ball game?
He is signed - does this mean we are going back to the 'Long' ball game? wrypop
  • Score: 2

7:23am Wed 13 Aug 14

Rooflas says...

Saint Clements wrote:
"Judge me on who we bring in come Sept 1st" said Ralph.

Well, if we lose Ricky, Adam, Luke and Lovren and bring in Shane Long - at £12m, I may add - then judge you I will Ralph. And I'm afraid that in my opinion, which is what you asked Saints fans to give come that date, you will have failed. Miserably.

I've tried to avoid phrases like Happy Clappers, but seriously, if anyone can talk themselves into thinking the Board have a plan if this goes through... well, they're really are none so blind as those who will not see.
Let's blow all monies received in sales on players with inflated wages, bankrupt the club again and drop out the premier league.... Tip top Idea!

Some fans live in fantasy land
[quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: "Judge me on who we bring in come Sept 1st" said Ralph. Well, if we lose Ricky, Adam, Luke and Lovren and bring in Shane Long - at £12m, I may add - then judge you I will Ralph. And I'm afraid that in my opinion, which is what you asked Saints fans to give come that date, you will have failed. Miserably. I've tried to avoid phrases like Happy Clappers, but seriously, if anyone can talk themselves into thinking the Board have a plan if this goes through... well, they're really are none so blind as those who will not see.[/p][/quote]Let's blow all monies received in sales on players with inflated wages, bankrupt the club again and drop out the premier league.... Tip top Idea! Some fans live in fantasy land Rooflas
  • Score: 3

7:26am Wed 13 Aug 14

Rooflas says...

saintmicky wrote:
lovemachine wrote:
Thought we had ambition-apparently not!! Gutted
I'm with you 'gutted' this open display of no ambition is more devastating than any of the sales, or bargain basement signings so far, no wonder everyone wanted to leave!
All players wanted to stay and play for great fans like you'!!
T0sser
[quote][p][bold]saintmicky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lovemachine[/bold] wrote: Thought we had ambition-apparently not!! Gutted[/p][/quote]I'm with you 'gutted' this open display of no ambition is more devastating than any of the sales, or bargain basement signings so far, no wonder everyone wanted to leave![/p][/quote]All players wanted to stay and play for great fans like you'!! T0sser Rooflas
  • Score: 8

7:31am Wed 13 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

Rooflas wrote:
All you so called supporters having a pop should hang your heads in shame. Long hasn't agreed the price and has come down from hill to a better club and to improve himself. Slating him before he's kicked a ball for us is madness, and why would he want to put a shift in with fans like some of you!
He is a proven premier league player unlike Danny ings (although I would also give him a chance as a local lad, netley) who I think could poach a few goals for us and fit in.
Well said, I agree 100%.
[quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: All you so called supporters having a pop should hang your heads in shame. Long hasn't agreed the price and has come down from hill to a better club and to improve himself. Slating him before he's kicked a ball for us is madness, and why would he want to put a shift in with fans like some of you! He is a proven premier league player unlike Danny ings (although I would also give him a chance as a local lad, netley) who I think could poach a few goals for us and fit in.[/p][/quote]Well said, I agree 100%. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 11

7:31am Wed 13 Aug 14

Jonny7oma says...

I don't have a clue what Shane Long is like as a player but if he signs for Saints, he'll be our player and will deserve our support. I have to trust that St. Ronnie knows what this player can add to his team. He's an expert, I'm not.
And if the fee seems high, how about £30 million for an 18 year old left back after one and a bit seasons in the prem.... that's the stakes in this awful Sky powered league.
I don't have a clue what Shane Long is like as a player but if he signs for Saints, he'll be our player and will deserve our support. I have to trust that St. Ronnie knows what this player can add to his team. He's an expert, I'm not. And if the fee seems high, how about £30 million for an 18 year old left back after one and a bit seasons in the prem.... that's the stakes in this awful Sky powered league. Jonny7oma
  • Score: 9

7:32am Wed 13 Aug 14

nomorerumours says...

Jan28th1984 wrote:
I hope Shane isnt reading this thread and thinking "what a bunch of moaning whingers" - he is a good player who always caused us a lot of problems. OK Hull will snap our hand off for £12m but we have shafted more than one club for money this transfer window so we can afford it.

I think Long will link up well with Pelle and Isgrove and also JRod when he returns. Its a smart signing have a bit of faith.

Get in Saints.
100% agree. If it is £12m, this will almost certainly be the top figure including add ons. If he flops (which I very much doubt) it would probably end up to nearer £6-7m. Long may be just the sort of player to get the best out of Pelle. He has precision passing and long periods of ball retention. I'm sure that RonKo knows exactly what he's doing. The neggies, the disenchanteds, the undecideds, the worrieds, the concerneds and the lost faiths (pick which one you are), certainly got in early on this post. Just trust the board and our manager and support their decisions and all the players. We all need to pull together and help our new team to play with confidence.
[quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: I hope Shane isnt reading this thread and thinking "what a bunch of moaning whingers" - he is a good player who always caused us a lot of problems. OK Hull will snap our hand off for £12m but we have shafted more than one club for money this transfer window so we can afford it. I think Long will link up well with Pelle and Isgrove and also JRod when he returns. Its a smart signing have a bit of faith. Get in Saints.[/p][/quote]100% agree. If it is £12m, this will almost certainly be the top figure including add ons. If he flops (which I very much doubt) it would probably end up to nearer £6-7m. Long may be just the sort of player to get the best out of Pelle. He has precision passing and long periods of ball retention. I'm sure that RonKo knows exactly what he's doing. The neggies, the disenchanteds, the undecideds, the worrieds, the concerneds and the lost faiths (pick which one you are), certainly got in early on this post. Just trust the board and our manager and support their decisions and all the players. We all need to pull together and help our new team to play with confidence. nomorerumours
  • Score: 16

7:33am Wed 13 Aug 14

Epsom Saint says...

I think 12m is a bit expensive but I think he may do a job for us. We don't know how Ron plans to use him - maybe as a wide forward in a 433? In which case, we wouldn't expect him to score 20 plus a season - 12 - 15 would do nicely, and he's done that before.
I think 12m is a bit expensive but I think he may do a job for us. We don't know how Ron plans to use him - maybe as a wide forward in a 433? In which case, we wouldn't expect him to score 20 plus a season - 12 - 15 would do nicely, and he's done that before. Epsom Saint
  • Score: 11

7:33am Wed 13 Aug 14

BarnetSaint says...

This can't be true.
Reed has said we have 20 top scouts working around Europe to bring in the best talent.
Long would be a good squad player, an impact sub , but £12M would seem to indicate he is the big forward we were led to believe we're coming.
I just hope this is not happening.
This can't be true. Reed has said we have 20 top scouts working around Europe to bring in the best talent. Long would be a good squad player, an impact sub , but £12M would seem to indicate he is the big forward we were led to believe we're coming. I just hope this is not happening. BarnetSaint
  • Score: -7

7:35am Wed 13 Aug 14

miltonarcher says...

We are putting together a mediocre squad. No pace up front, we will struggle for goals. Can't understand the fixation some have with Danny Ings, he is mediocre.
We are putting together a mediocre squad. No pace up front, we will struggle for goals. Can't understand the fixation some have with Danny Ings, he is mediocre. miltonarcher
  • Score: -8

7:44am Wed 13 Aug 14

Optimist says...

I only have a couple of problems with the board at Saints;

Beer if a ****ing rip off, food too, taking me for a mug, they can stick it.
New shirts are Tesco value standard, yet loyal fans, the real loyal fans, will buy them because they have to, at £50 & they'll change it next season is an insult, they must be confusing die hard loyalty for stupidity
Ticket prices are still way too high, when will the club give something back?

These all come from a different department from the playing side, I just hope & pray that the attitude is not the same.
I agree strongly with the striking partnership comment, hope Shane is the missing ingredient but a totally different kind of striker to others we have been linked to, makes me wonder if we are working on "what if"s. Dangerzone time....
I only have a couple of problems with the board at Saints; Beer if a ****ing rip off, food too, taking me for a mug, they can stick it. New shirts are Tesco value standard, yet loyal fans, the real loyal fans, will buy them because they have to, at £50 & they'll change it next season is an insult, they must be confusing die hard loyalty for stupidity Ticket prices are still way too high, when will the club give something back? These all come from a different department from the playing side, I just hope & pray that the attitude is not the same. I agree strongly with the striking partnership comment, hope Shane is the missing ingredient but a totally different kind of striker to others we have been linked to, makes me wonder if we are working on "what if"s. Dangerzone time.... Optimist
  • Score: -1

7:44am Wed 13 Aug 14

lovemachine says...

miltonarcher wrote:
We are putting together a mediocre squad. No pace up front, we will struggle for goals. Can't understand the fixation some have with Danny Ings, he is mediocre.
Totally agree. If this is the best we can come up with we should have kept Billy Sharp, or even worse Guly, and kept the money!
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: We are putting together a mediocre squad. No pace up front, we will struggle for goals. Can't understand the fixation some have with Danny Ings, he is mediocre.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. If this is the best we can come up with we should have kept Billy Sharp, or even worse Guly, and kept the money! lovemachine
  • Score: -2

7:50am Wed 13 Aug 14

Chipmonk1 says...

I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.
I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing. Chipmonk1
  • Score: 31

7:50am Wed 13 Aug 14

saintbobby says...

No expert me and he is not a name that I know much about.

But, surely, all strikers must have good support before they can score goals. The "new" Saints team have not played seriously yet and perhaps we should wait and see just how everyone settles down.

The Danny Ings argument goes on, but as mentioned he has not played in the PL. We know he is quick, scores goals and best of all a local. Obviously, not on the club's radar, though perhaps Burnley said go away. After all, they have only just been promoted.
No expert me and he is not a name that I know much about. But, surely, all strikers must have good support before they can score goals. The "new" Saints team have not played seriously yet and perhaps we should wait and see just how everyone settles down. The Danny Ings argument goes on, but as mentioned he has not played in the PL. We know he is quick, scores goals and best of all a local. Obviously, not on the club's radar, though perhaps Burnley said go away. After all, they have only just been promoted. saintbobby
  • Score: 6

7:52am Wed 13 Aug 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

Rooflas wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
"Judge me on who we bring in come Sept 1st" said Ralph.

Well, if we lose Ricky, Adam, Luke and Lovren and bring in Shane Long - at £12m, I may add - then judge you I will Ralph. And I'm afraid that in my opinion, which is what you asked Saints fans to give come that date, you will have failed. Miserably.

I've tried to avoid phrases like Happy Clappers, but seriously, if anyone can talk themselves into thinking the Board have a plan if this goes through... well, they're really are none so blind as those who will not see.
Let's blow all monies received in sales on players with inflated wages, bankrupt the club again and drop out the premier league.... Tip top Idea!

Some fans live in fantasy land
No!we can just just blow 12 million on a forward that can't score goals that makes sense doesn't it? just when you think the club is getting there act together! Les Reed dose it again!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: "Judge me on who we bring in come Sept 1st" said Ralph. Well, if we lose Ricky, Adam, Luke and Lovren and bring in Shane Long - at £12m, I may add - then judge you I will Ralph. And I'm afraid that in my opinion, which is what you asked Saints fans to give come that date, you will have failed. Miserably. I've tried to avoid phrases like Happy Clappers, but seriously, if anyone can talk themselves into thinking the Board have a plan if this goes through... well, they're really are none so blind as those who will not see.[/p][/quote]Let's blow all monies received in sales on players with inflated wages, bankrupt the club again and drop out the premier league.... Tip top Idea! Some fans live in fantasy land[/p][/quote]No!we can just just blow 12 million on a forward that can't score goals that makes sense doesn't it? just when you think the club is getting there act together! Les Reed dose it again!!!!! This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: -7

7:54am Wed 13 Aug 14

SFCOLDBOY says...

Long has always had the makings of a very good player.
What has held him back has been injury record.
Sadly there is a darker side to him.
I have no love for his continual attempts to fall over,elbow and cheat.
The latter has never been acceptable with the way that all previous Saints managers have set out their stall.
I too agree with this stance completely.
I feel we can do so much better than this player.
COYS
Long has always had the makings of a very good player. What has held him back has been injury record. Sadly there is a darker side to him. I have no love for his continual attempts to fall over,elbow and cheat. The latter has never been acceptable with the way that all previous Saints managers have set out their stall. I too agree with this stance completely. I feel we can do so much better than this player. COYS SFCOLDBOY
  • Score: 1

7:54am Wed 13 Aug 14

wagsta says...

Anne Grie wrote:
Interesting to see you think that as a selling club to the big boys (well semi big), you're now better than players like Shane Long.

Long is a proven goalscorer in the Premiership and has done so without much supply. You would be lucky to get anyone of his ability having sold your soul to Scouseland.

Personally think Long is at a better club right now, pity it's too cold for him up north.
Don't need to go beyond yer name to realise that yer talking sheite.
[quote][p][bold]Anne Grie[/bold] wrote: Interesting to see you think that as a selling club to the big boys (well semi big), you're now better than players like Shane Long. Long is a proven goalscorer in the Premiership and has done so without much supply. You would be lucky to get anyone of his ability having sold your soul to Scouseland. Personally think Long is at a better club right now, pity it's too cold for him up north.[/p][/quote]Don't need to go beyond yer name to realise that yer talking sheite. wagsta
  • Score: 2

7:58am Wed 13 Aug 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

Chipmonk1 wrote:
I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.
Thanks for the note Chipmonk,

I was about to put on anote like this .

Boys, boys, boys

We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do.

If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match.

He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice.

Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.
[quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the note Chipmonk, I was about to put on anote like this . Boys, boys, boys We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do. If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match. He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice. Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird. Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 4

7:58am Wed 13 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Last summer we struggled to persuade top players to come here despite the fact we were going well. The new board seem unaware of that and now the result of them selling our best players before securing their replacements is that the good ones don't want to come here and clubs are fleecing us for the mediocre ones who do. All highly predictable and a tragedy. If we had kept our squad together the likes of Rojo and Hernandez may well have come. They and Forster would have been the missing three to push on.
Last summer we struggled to persuade top players to come here despite the fact we were going well. The new board seem unaware of that and now the result of them selling our best players before securing their replacements is that the good ones don't want to come here and clubs are fleecing us for the mediocre ones who do. All highly predictable and a tragedy. If we had kept our squad together the likes of Rojo and Hernandez may well have come. They and Forster would have been the missing three to push on. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

8:00am Wed 13 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

Chipmonk1 wrote:
I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.
The problem with signing a player like Hernandez, if he scored 20+ goals for us in a season a bigger club would probably come calling and he would be off saying that he wants to play champions league football.
[quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.[/p][/quote]The problem with signing a player like Hernandez, if he scored 20+ goals for us in a season a bigger club would probably come calling and he would be off saying that he wants to play champions league football. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 3

8:00am Wed 13 Aug 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

Rooflas wrote:
All you so called supporters having a pop should hang your heads in shame. Long hasn't agreed the price and has come down from hill to a better club and to improve himself. Slating him before he's kicked a ball for us is madness, and why would he want to put a shift in with fans like some of you!
He is a proven premier league player unlike Danny ings (although I would also give him a chance as a local lad, netley) who I think could poach a few goals for us and fit in.
proven premier league player in what way!a forward that don't score goals!!!!!! Behave yourself?
We will see at the end if he scores more goals than danny!
I Know who my money's on!!!! Why not offer 15m for peter crouch seeing we're in lala land!
[quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: All you so called supporters having a pop should hang your heads in shame. Long hasn't agreed the price and has come down from hill to a better club and to improve himself. Slating him before he's kicked a ball for us is madness, and why would he want to put a shift in with fans like some of you! He is a proven premier league player unlike Danny ings (although I would also give him a chance as a local lad, netley) who I think could poach a few goals for us and fit in.[/p][/quote]proven premier league player in what way!a forward that don't score goals!!!!!! Behave yourself? We will see at the end if he scores more goals than danny! I Know who my money's on!!!! Why not offer 15m for peter crouch seeing we're in lala land! This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: 1

8:01am Wed 13 Aug 14

Scotty1980 says...

Look at the options we have now pelle/long
Gallagher /Jrod 12 mill bit steep but a good
Player little pea was never coming Ings?
Have faith in ronko
Look at the options we have now pelle/long Gallagher /Jrod 12 mill bit steep but a good Player little pea was never coming Ings? Have faith in ronko Scotty1980
  • Score: 7

8:04am Wed 13 Aug 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.
Thanks for the note Chipmonk,

I was about to put on anote like this .

Boys, boys, boys

We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do.

If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match.

He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice.

Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.
This is got nothing to do with Ronald Koeman this is gonna Les reed written all over it!
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the note Chipmonk, I was about to put on anote like this . Boys, boys, boys We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do. If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match. He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice. Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.[/p][/quote]This is got nothing to do with Ronald Koeman this is gonna Les reed written all over it! This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: 0

8:08am Wed 13 Aug 14

gazw1976 says...

50/50 on this one , not a bad player but price is a bit steep . if he wears our shirt i will support him which is how i felt when j rod came an he hasnt done too bad has he
50/50 on this one , not a bad player but price is a bit steep . if he wears our shirt i will support him which is how i felt when j rod came an he hasnt done too bad has he gazw1976
  • Score: 5

8:10am Wed 13 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

Thanks but no thanks . He's a diver pure and simple. Spends most of his time falling on his a$$. And I expect Gaston will remember how he got him sent off at St. Marys. If we really need a cr@p striker I'm available, so I'm just off now to practice falling over.
Thanks but no thanks . He's a diver pure and simple. Spends most of his time falling on his a$$. And I expect Gaston will remember how he got him sent off at St. Marys. If we really need a cr@p striker I'm available, so I'm just off now to practice falling over. Clever Dick
  • Score: -4

8:11am Wed 13 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.
Thanks for the note Chipmonk,

I was about to put on anote like this .

Boys, boys, boys

We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do.

If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match.

He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice.

Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.
This is got nothing to do with Ronald Koeman this is gonna Les reed written all over it!
I think you will find it has got something to do with Koeman he is the manager.
[quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the note Chipmonk, I was about to put on anote like this . Boys, boys, boys We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do. If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match. He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice. Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.[/p][/quote]This is got nothing to do with Ronald Koeman this is gonna Les reed written all over it![/p][/quote]I think you will find it has got something to do with Koeman he is the manager. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 3

8:12am Wed 13 Aug 14

Rudolf Hucker says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Why all the long faces? Sorry couldn't resist that one, I think he will do a descent job for saints, he works hard, closes defenders down and will score goals if given the chance. As for the price the £12m being quoted in the press is probably with add on's.
I think you mean "DECENT" young man..."DESCENT" means going down...Glass half full, and all that. Keep the faith.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: Why all the long faces? Sorry couldn't resist that one, I think he will do a descent job for saints, he works hard, closes defenders down and will score goals if given the chance. As for the price the £12m being quoted in the press is probably with add on's.[/p][/quote]I think you mean "DECENT" young man..."DESCENT" means going down...Glass half full, and all that. Keep the faith. Rudolf Hucker
  • Score: 2

8:12am Wed 13 Aug 14

Rooflas says...

This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
Rooflas wrote:
All you so called supporters having a pop should hang your heads in shame. Long hasn't agreed the price and has come down from hill to a better club and to improve himself. Slating him before he's kicked a ball for us is madness, and why would he want to put a shift in with fans like some of you!
He is a proven premier league player unlike Danny ings (although I would also give him a chance as a local lad, netley) who I think could poach a few goals for us and fit in.
proven premier league player in what way!a forward that don't score goals!!!!!! Behave yourself?
We will see at the end if he scores more goals than danny!
I Know who my money's on!!!! Why not offer 15m for peter crouch seeing we're in lala land!
What a kn0b jockey!
[quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: All you so called supporters having a pop should hang your heads in shame. Long hasn't agreed the price and has come down from hill to a better club and to improve himself. Slating him before he's kicked a ball for us is madness, and why would he want to put a shift in with fans like some of you! He is a proven premier league player unlike Danny ings (although I would also give him a chance as a local lad, netley) who I think could poach a few goals for us and fit in.[/p][/quote]proven premier league player in what way!a forward that don't score goals!!!!!! Behave yourself? We will see at the end if he scores more goals than danny! I Know who my money's on!!!! Why not offer 15m for peter crouch seeing we're in lala land![/p][/quote]What a kn0b jockey! Rooflas
  • Score: -5

8:15am Wed 13 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Thanks but no thanks . He's a diver pure and simple. Spends most of his time falling on his a$$. And I expect Gaston will remember how he got him sent off at St. Marys. If we really need a cr@p striker I'm available, so I'm just off now to practice falling over.
Gaston got himself sent of by lashing out because Long was chasing him down the pitch.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Thanks but no thanks . He's a diver pure and simple. Spends most of his time falling on his a$$. And I expect Gaston will remember how he got him sent off at St. Marys. If we really need a cr@p striker I'm available, so I'm just off now to practice falling over.[/p][/quote]Gaston got himself sent of by lashing out because Long was chasing him down the pitch. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 1

8:16am Wed 13 Aug 14

bstokesaint says...

Whilst I feel that £12m is probably twice the price that an out-of-form Shane Long is currently worth, I always ask myself the question at times like this how have I felt when the player in question played against us? And the truth is I have always considered Long to be a menace in and around the box and feared he'd score against us, as he has done. He reminds me a bit of Kevin Phillips, a niggly little player with an eye for goal, if he gets the service. He's different from some of our other options and I can see why the manager might see his appeal. What's more we got about £12m more for Lallana than he was worth so why not take a punt? I'm sure some posters on here would rather we had got Hernandez, but then if he wants to play in Europe, you can't exactly hold a gun to his head and make him join you. If Long signs give the lad a chance for god's sake.
Whilst I feel that £12m is probably twice the price that an out-of-form Shane Long is currently worth, I always ask myself the question at times like this how have I felt when the player in question played against us? And the truth is I have always considered Long to be a menace in and around the box and feared he'd score against us, as he has done. He reminds me a bit of Kevin Phillips, a niggly little player with an eye for goal, if he gets the service. He's different from some of our other options and I can see why the manager might see his appeal. What's more we got about £12m more for Lallana than he was worth so why not take a punt? I'm sure some posters on here would rather we had got Hernandez, but then if he wants to play in Europe, you can't exactly hold a gun to his head and make him join you. If Long signs give the lad a chance for god's sake. bstokesaint
  • Score: 7

8:16am Wed 13 Aug 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.
Thanks for the note Chipmonk,

I was about to put on anote like this .

Boys, boys, boys

We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do.

If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match.

He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice.

Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.
This is got nothing to do with Ronald Koeman this is gonna Les reed written all over it!
I think you will find it has got something to do with Koeman he is the manager.
Talk about naive if that's what you really think you'll get everything you deserve this season nothing! Ronald Coleman is already said in interviews anything to do with transfers you need to talk to Les Reed!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the note Chipmonk, I was about to put on anote like this . Boys, boys, boys We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do. If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match. He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice. Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.[/p][/quote]This is got nothing to do with Ronald Koeman this is gonna Les reed written all over it![/p][/quote]I think you will find it has got something to do with Koeman he is the manager.[/p][/quote]Talk about naive if that's what you really think you'll get everything you deserve this season nothing! Ronald Coleman is already said in interviews anything to do with transfers you need to talk to Les Reed!!!!! This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: -10

8:16am Wed 13 Aug 14

RedPastramy says...

Just woke to read this news, why would this player want to leave a club like Hull with the improvements Steve Bruce has made and come to a club which is rudderless to say the least. If this is the ambition we have then there is nothing to get excited over. I guess at least because he has premiership experience we have heard of him unlike most of the other signings made so far. I am a Saints fan through and through since 1974 and apart from the Branfoot and Lowe era i have always looked forward to a season with some optimism but i am struggling now big time. spending big money on a goalkeeper to play behind Yoshida and Jos Hooiveld (our own goal expert). i think we should play boruc and forster together. Sunday is approaching fast.. the club is desperate if they do sign Long. Has every other player we have been linked to turned us down or were they just names leaked by the club to indicate some ambition...
Just woke to read this news, why would this player want to leave a club like Hull with the improvements Steve Bruce has made and come to a club which is rudderless to say the least. If this is the ambition we have then there is nothing to get excited over. I guess at least because he has premiership experience we have heard of him unlike most of the other signings made so far. I am a Saints fan through and through since 1974 and apart from the Branfoot and Lowe era i have always looked forward to a season with some optimism but i am struggling now big time. spending big money on a goalkeeper to play behind Yoshida and Jos Hooiveld (our own goal expert). i think we should play boruc and forster together. Sunday is approaching fast.. the club is desperate if they do sign Long. Has every other player we have been linked to turned us down or were they just names leaked by the club to indicate some ambition... RedPastramy
  • Score: -1

8:18am Wed 13 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.
Thanks for the note Chipmonk,

I was about to put on anote like this .

Boys, boys, boys

We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do.

If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match.

He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice.

Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.
Long is Ron's first choice? What four days before we kick off? I imagine we're on our fourth or fifth choice by now.
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the note Chipmonk, I was about to put on anote like this . Boys, boys, boys We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do. If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match. He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice. Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.[/p][/quote]Long is Ron's first choice? What four days before we kick off? I imagine we're on our fourth or fifth choice by now. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -5

8:18am Wed 13 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

Rudolf Hucker wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Why all the long faces? Sorry couldn't resist that one, I think he will do a descent job for saints, he works hard, closes defenders down and will score goals if given the chance. As for the price the £12m being quoted in the press is probably with add on's.
I think you mean "DECENT" young man..."DESCENT" means going down...Glass half full, and all that. Keep the faith.
You are right, predictive texting sucks some times.
[quote][p][bold]Rudolf Hucker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: Why all the long faces? Sorry couldn't resist that one, I think he will do a descent job for saints, he works hard, closes defenders down and will score goals if given the chance. As for the price the £12m being quoted in the press is probably with add on's.[/p][/quote]I think you mean "DECENT" young man..."DESCENT" means going down...Glass half full, and all that. Keep the faith.[/p][/quote]You are right, predictive texting sucks some times. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 1

8:18am Wed 13 Aug 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

Rooflas wrote:
This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
Rooflas wrote:
All you so called supporters having a pop should hang your heads in shame. Long hasn't agreed the price and has come down from hill to a better club and to improve himself. Slating him before he's kicked a ball for us is madness, and why would he want to put a shift in with fans like some of you!
He is a proven premier league player unlike Danny ings (although I would also give him a chance as a local lad, netley) who I think could poach a few goals for us and fit in.
proven premier league player in what way!a forward that don't score goals!!!!!! Behave yourself?
We will see at the end if he scores more goals than danny!
I Know who my money's on!!!! Why not offer 15m for peter crouch seeing we're in lala land!
What a kn0b jockey!
Resulting to insults because you know I'm right Plumb!!!
[quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: All you so called supporters having a pop should hang your heads in shame. Long hasn't agreed the price and has come down from hill to a better club and to improve himself. Slating him before he's kicked a ball for us is madness, and why would he want to put a shift in with fans like some of you! He is a proven premier league player unlike Danny ings (although I would also give him a chance as a local lad, netley) who I think could poach a few goals for us and fit in.[/p][/quote]proven premier league player in what way!a forward that don't score goals!!!!!! Behave yourself? We will see at the end if he scores more goals than danny! I Know who my money's on!!!! Why not offer 15m for peter crouch seeing we're in lala land![/p][/quote]What a kn0b jockey![/p][/quote]Resulting to insults because you know I'm right Plumb!!! This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: -5

8:21am Wed 13 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.
Thanks for the note Chipmonk,

I was about to put on anote like this .

Boys, boys, boys

We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do.

If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match.

He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice.

Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.
This is got nothing to do with Ronald Koeman this is gonna Les reed written all over it!
I think you will find it has got something to do with Koeman he is the manager.
Talk about naive if that's what you really think you'll get everything you deserve this season nothing! Ronald Coleman is already said in interviews anything to do with transfers you need to talk to Les Reed!!!!!
Name a manager at any club who deals with transfers.
[quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the note Chipmonk, I was about to put on anote like this . Boys, boys, boys We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do. If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match. He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice. Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.[/p][/quote]This is got nothing to do with Ronald Koeman this is gonna Les reed written all over it![/p][/quote]I think you will find it has got something to do with Koeman he is the manager.[/p][/quote]Talk about naive if that's what you really think you'll get everything you deserve this season nothing! Ronald Coleman is already said in interviews anything to do with transfers you need to talk to Les Reed!!!!![/p][/quote]Name a manager at any club who deals with transfers. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 2

8:22am Wed 13 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Block 42 wrote:
But...well done hull city and steve bruce you have sold a veey average striker for 5 mill what u paid in january...please tell me the secrets of your business???#hulcityg

enius...#shrewedmove
Our board were making mistakes a few weeks ago doing the same thing, maybe not average but selling players for double their value.

Just maybe in RKs limited football experience he can see a fit with players already in the squad, Steve Bruce who lots of people wanted as our manager must of thought something of him to sign him in a January and just as many clubs of done with us an offer has been made that Hull think is a good price for the player.
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: But...well done hull city and steve bruce you have sold a veey average striker for 5 mill what u paid in january...please tell me the secrets of your business???#hulcityg enius...#shrewedmove[/p][/quote]Our board were making mistakes a few weeks ago doing the same thing, maybe not average but selling players for double their value. Just maybe in RKs limited football experience he can see a fit with players already in the squad, Steve Bruce who lots of people wanted as our manager must of thought something of him to sign him in a January and just as many clubs of done with us an offer has been made that Hull think is a good price for the player. fascia123
  • Score: 4

8:24am Wed 13 Aug 14

Outside of the Box says...

elvis wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
WTF
Surely we could get Danny Ings for the same price ? X
You can only buy players who want to come to Saints, yes we probably could buy Danny Ings for the same price even less, however even though he's a Southampton lad and supports Saints he may wish to remain loyal to Burnley we simply don't know, we shouldn't assume just because we're Southampton and a Premier League team that automatically means players from Clubs recently promoted or from Championship want to play for us.

My original WTF has somewhat mellowed this morning, from what I've of Shane Long he's a pest around the box, he never gives defenders an easy ride (ask Jose Fonte) maybe he will continue being a nuisance to defenders which could allow space for Pelle to work his magic??? Who knows

Shane Long works hard for the team and lets be honest we paid £14m for Osvaldo to assault our players and cheer up the lady fans with his Jonny Depp impression.
[quote][p][bold]elvis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: WTF[/p][/quote]Surely we could get Danny Ings for the same price ? X[/p][/quote]You can only buy players who want to come to Saints, yes we probably could buy Danny Ings for the same price even less, however even though he's a Southampton lad and supports Saints he may wish to remain loyal to Burnley we simply don't know, we shouldn't assume just because we're Southampton and a Premier League team that automatically means players from Clubs recently promoted or from Championship want to play for us. My original WTF has somewhat mellowed this morning, from what I've of Shane Long he's a pest around the box, he never gives defenders an easy ride (ask Jose Fonte) maybe he will continue being a nuisance to defenders which could allow space for Pelle to work his magic??? Who knows Shane Long works hard for the team and lets be honest we paid £14m for Osvaldo to assault our players and cheer up the lady fans with his Jonny Depp impression. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 5

8:26am Wed 13 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.
Thanks for the note Chipmonk,

I was about to put on anote like this .

Boys, boys, boys

We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do.

If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match.

He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice.

Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.
This is got nothing to do with Ronald Koeman this is gonna Les reed written all over it!
I think you will find it has got something to do with Koeman he is the manager.
Talk about naive if that's what you really think you'll get everything you deserve this season nothing! Ronald Coleman is already said in interviews anything to do with transfers you need to talk to Les Reed!!!!!
As with every other club manager identify targets and the board try to secure those targets.
[quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the note Chipmonk, I was about to put on anote like this . Boys, boys, boys We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do. If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match. He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice. Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.[/p][/quote]This is got nothing to do with Ronald Koeman this is gonna Les reed written all over it![/p][/quote]I think you will find it has got something to do with Koeman he is the manager.[/p][/quote]Talk about naive if that's what you really think you'll get everything you deserve this season nothing! Ronald Coleman is already said in interviews anything to do with transfers you need to talk to Les Reed!!!!![/p][/quote]As with every other club manager identify targets and the board try to secure those targets. fascia123
  • Score: 5

8:26am Wed 13 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

I regard this news cautiously as he hasn't proved himself yet, but I do seem to remember him bullying us when we played WBA season before last and at that point thought he looked class.
I regard this news cautiously as he hasn't proved himself yet, but I do seem to remember him bullying us when we played WBA season before last and at that point thought he looked class. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 3

8:27am Wed 13 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

He's not a player who was on my wishlist, I think he goes down much too easily, but he has often caused us problems in the past, £12 mill seems a bit too much, but prices of 'proven' premiership players, who have been so much in demand by a large number of the now critical Saints fans posting on here, are a bit ridiculous.

If he becomes a Saints player, I wish him all the success the happy clappers expect of him.
He's not a player who was on my wishlist, I think he goes down much too easily, but he has often caused us problems in the past, £12 mill seems a bit too much, but prices of 'proven' premiership players, who have been so much in demand by a large number of the now critical Saints fans posting on here, are a bit ridiculous. If he becomes a Saints player, I wish him all the success the happy clappers expect of him. Rising_Son
  • Score: 5

8:28am Wed 13 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Thanks but no thanks . He's a diver pure and simple. Spends most of his time falling on his a$$. And I expect Gaston will remember how he got him sent off at St. Marys. If we really need a cr@p striker I'm available, so I'm just off now to practice falling over.
Gaston got himself sent of by lashing out because Long was chasing him down the pitch.
And was pulling his shirt nearly off his back for about 15 yards of that chase.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Thanks but no thanks . He's a diver pure and simple. Spends most of his time falling on his a$$. And I expect Gaston will remember how he got him sent off at St. Marys. If we really need a cr@p striker I'm available, so I'm just off now to practice falling over.[/p][/quote]Gaston got himself sent of by lashing out because Long was chasing him down the pitch.[/p][/quote]And was pulling his shirt nearly off his back for about 15 yards of that chase. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

8:34am Wed 13 Aug 14

Mosschops says...

He is a good player and exactly the type of player we are after. It is expensive, he isn't the marquee signing we wanted but that star striker just isn't out there. If he was they would all be after him and we wouldn't get a look in. Look down the list of prem strikers - it's not that impressive.
He is a good player and exactly the type of player we are after. It is expensive, he isn't the marquee signing we wanted but that star striker just isn't out there. If he was they would all be after him and we wouldn't get a look in. Look down the list of prem strikers - it's not that impressive. Mosschops
  • Score: 4

8:34am Wed 13 Aug 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Chin up guys. Marcos Rojo is going to Man Utd. Javier Hernandez is going to Juventus and Shane Long is coming to Saints.
more dross ,apart from forster ,very poor signings.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Chin up guys. Marcos Rojo is going to Man Utd. Javier Hernandez is going to Juventus and Shane Long is coming to Saints.[/p][/quote]more dross ,apart from forster ,very poor signings. SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: -5

8:34am Wed 13 Aug 14

StJohn says...

12 Million could get Guly and the technology to clone him another 10 times.

You could do a bit of genetic engineering to create a Goalkeeper Guly, who was so big he just blocks the whole goal.
12 Million could get Guly and the technology to clone him another 10 times. You could do a bit of genetic engineering to create a Goalkeeper Guly, who was so big he just blocks the whole goal. StJohn
  • Score: 1

8:35am Wed 13 Aug 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

fascia123 wrote:
This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.
Thanks for the note Chipmonk,

I was about to put on anote like this .

Boys, boys, boys

We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do.

If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match.

He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice.

Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.
This is got nothing to do with Ronald Koeman this is gonna Les reed written all over it!
I think you will find it has got something to do with Koeman he is the manager.
Talk about naive if that's what you really think you'll get everything you deserve this season nothing! Ronald Coleman is already said in interviews anything to do with transfers you need to talk to Les Reed!!!!!
As with every other club manager identify targets and the board try to secure those targets.
Yeah that happened at Tottenham Hotspur
When all those players were bought after the sale of Gareth Bale they were all down to the manager?
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the note Chipmonk, I was about to put on anote like this . Boys, boys, boys We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do. If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match. He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice. Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.[/p][/quote]This is got nothing to do with Ronald Koeman this is gonna Les reed written all over it![/p][/quote]I think you will find it has got something to do with Koeman he is the manager.[/p][/quote]Talk about naive if that's what you really think you'll get everything you deserve this season nothing! Ronald Coleman is already said in interviews anything to do with transfers you need to talk to Les Reed!!!!![/p][/quote]As with every other club manager identify targets and the board try to secure those targets.[/p][/quote]Yeah that happened at Tottenham Hotspur When all those players were bought after the sale of Gareth Bale they were all down to the manager? This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: -4

8:35am Wed 13 Aug 14

Rooflas says...

This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
Rooflas wrote:
This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
Rooflas wrote:
All you so called supporters having a pop should hang your heads in shame. Long hasn't agreed the price and has come down from hill to a better club and to improve himself. Slating him before he's kicked a ball for us is madness, and why would he want to put a shift in with fans like some of you!
He is a proven premier league player unlike Danny ings (although I would also give him a chance as a local lad, netley) who I think could poach a few goals for us and fit in.
proven premier league player in what way!a forward that don't score goals!!!!!! Behave yourself?
We will see at the end if he scores more goals than danny!
I Know who my money's on!!!! Why not offer 15m for peter crouch seeing we're in lala land!
What a kn0b jockey!
Resulting to insults because you know I'm right Plumb!!!
Proven as he's played and scored in the premier league, unlike d. Ings.
Not sure which part you're having trouble understanding?
[quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: All you so called supporters having a pop should hang your heads in shame. Long hasn't agreed the price and has come down from hill to a better club and to improve himself. Slating him before he's kicked a ball for us is madness, and why would he want to put a shift in with fans like some of you! He is a proven premier league player unlike Danny ings (although I would also give him a chance as a local lad, netley) who I think could poach a few goals for us and fit in.[/p][/quote]proven premier league player in what way!a forward that don't score goals!!!!!! Behave yourself? We will see at the end if he scores more goals than danny! I Know who my money's on!!!! Why not offer 15m for peter crouch seeing we're in lala land![/p][/quote]What a kn0b jockey![/p][/quote]Resulting to insults because you know I'm right Plumb!!![/p][/quote]Proven as he's played and scored in the premier league, unlike d. Ings. Not sure which part you're having trouble understanding? Rooflas
  • Score: 0

8:36am Wed 13 Aug 14

killared says...

elvis wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
WTF
Surely we could get Danny Ings for the same price ? X
Agree with you but Ings hasn't prove anything in the EPL .
[quote][p][bold]elvis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: WTF[/p][/quote]Surely we could get Danny Ings for the same price ? X[/p][/quote]Agree with you but Ings hasn't prove anything in the EPL . killared
  • Score: 2

8:37am Wed 13 Aug 14

Wembley76 says...

The point is that he is a good buy in the run up to J Rod returning and for sure Pelle needs support...they will compliment each other. He has averaged 8 gls in EPL for the past 4 seasons with weak teams, his pass % is nearly 70%, he is strong ion the air and good at tackling back..he is high energy and puts himself about a bit....the Hull fans speak highly of him and WBA fans really miss him...astute buy based on our specific needs right now...Hernandez stats are not so good....and it is all about desire which Long delivers in spades!!
The point is that he is a good buy in the run up to J Rod returning and for sure Pelle needs support...they will compliment each other. He has averaged 8 gls in EPL for the past 4 seasons with weak teams, his pass % is nearly 70%, he is strong ion the air and good at tackling back..he is high energy and puts himself about a bit....the Hull fans speak highly of him and WBA fans really miss him...astute buy based on our specific needs right now...Hernandez stats are not so good....and it is all about desire which Long delivers in spades!! Wembley76
  • Score: 8

8:38am Wed 13 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

Clever Dick wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Thanks but no thanks . He's a diver pure and simple. Spends most of his time falling on his a$$. And I expect Gaston will remember how he got him sent off at St. Marys. If we really need a cr@p striker I'm available, so I'm just off now to practice falling over.
Gaston got himself sent of by lashing out because Long was chasing him down the pitch.
And was pulling his shirt nearly off his back for about 15 yards of that chase.
That maybe the case but that is for the ref to deal with and not for Gaston to take the law in to his own hands, making the team a man short which in turn could effect the result of the game.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Thanks but no thanks . He's a diver pure and simple. Spends most of his time falling on his a$$. And I expect Gaston will remember how he got him sent off at St. Marys. If we really need a cr@p striker I'm available, so I'm just off now to practice falling over.[/p][/quote]Gaston got himself sent of by lashing out because Long was chasing him down the pitch.[/p][/quote]And was pulling his shirt nearly off his back for about 15 yards of that chase.[/p][/quote]That maybe the case but that is for the ref to deal with and not for Gaston to take the law in to his own hands, making the team a man short which in turn could effect the result of the game. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 4

8:38am Wed 13 Aug 14

Stokesofdublin says...

It would be nice to have a Republic of Ireland international in the team again, and Long would be a useful addition to the squad. But £12 million is too much (if true). Smacks of panic buying, or simply other teams and agents successfully targeting a slice of our recent transfer income. So mixed feelings on this one.
It would be nice to have a Republic of Ireland international in the team again, and Long would be a useful addition to the squad. But £12 million is too much (if true). Smacks of panic buying, or simply other teams and agents successfully targeting a slice of our recent transfer income. So mixed feelings on this one. Stokesofdublin
  • Score: 3

8:40am Wed 13 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.
Thanks for the note Chipmonk,

I was about to put on anote like this .

Boys, boys, boys

We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do.

If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match.

He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice.

Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.
This is got nothing to do with Ronald Koeman this is gonna Les reed written all over it!
I think you will find it has got something to do with Koeman he is the manager.
Talk about naive if that's what you really think you'll get everything you deserve this season nothing! Ronald Coleman is already said in interviews anything to do with transfers you need to talk to Les Reed!!!!!
As with every other club manager identify targets and the board try to secure those targets.
Yeah that happened at Tottenham Hotspur
When all those players were bought after the sale of Gareth Bale they were all down to the manager?
Did spurs have a director of football at the time, this is the exception to the rule, I can't remember, I tend to concentrate on happenings at my club.
[quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the note Chipmonk, I was about to put on anote like this . Boys, boys, boys We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do. If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match. He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice. Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.[/p][/quote]This is got nothing to do with Ronald Koeman this is gonna Les reed written all over it![/p][/quote]I think you will find it has got something to do with Koeman he is the manager.[/p][/quote]Talk about naive if that's what you really think you'll get everything you deserve this season nothing! Ronald Coleman is already said in interviews anything to do with transfers you need to talk to Les Reed!!!!![/p][/quote]As with every other club manager identify targets and the board try to secure those targets.[/p][/quote]Yeah that happened at Tottenham Hotspur When all those players were bought after the sale of Gareth Bale they were all down to the manager?[/p][/quote]Did spurs have a director of football at the time, this is the exception to the rule, I can't remember, I tend to concentrate on happenings at my club. fascia123
  • Score: 3

8:41am Wed 13 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

Because of our inept board we will be taken to the cleaners now for every potential signing.
4 days until kick off and we are still looking for replacements and teams are well aware of our desperation.

Surely there is someone on the board who could have seen this......
UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
Because of our inept board we will be taken to the cleaners now for every potential signing. 4 days until kick off and we are still looking for replacements and teams are well aware of our desperation. Surely there is someone on the board who could have seen this...... UNBELIEVABLE!!!! costa gaz
  • Score: -4

8:44am Wed 13 Aug 14

Bassett Boy says...

Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod?
Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him!
Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod? Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him! Bassett Boy
  • Score: 7

8:44am Wed 13 Aug 14

rednwhite72 says...

Fact is SFC makes mediocre players into great players, Saints don't buy already established players at inflated prices for them to flop and loose their value, (others in the league already fill that position :cough: ) we attract potential and create and nuture talent and then sell to the likes of Liverpool for double the money. SFC is already selling their academy philosophy in the league, give us these players that may have potential, we will turn them into world beaters and sell them back for a huge profit, sounds like good business to me. 'pimp my player' if you like lol.
Fact is SFC makes mediocre players into great players, Saints don't buy already established players at inflated prices for them to flop and loose their value, (others in the league already fill that position :cough: ) we attract potential and create and nuture talent and then sell to the likes of Liverpool for double the money. SFC is already selling their academy philosophy in the league, give us these players that may have potential, we will turn them into world beaters and sell them back for a huge profit, sounds like good business to me. 'pimp my player' if you like lol. rednwhite72
  • Score: 7

8:44am Wed 13 Aug 14

Costa Baz says...

Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester
/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many. Costa Baz
  • Score: 20

8:46am Wed 13 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.
Thanks for the note Chipmonk,

I was about to put on anote like this .

Boys, boys, boys

We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do.

If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match.

He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice.

Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.
Long is Ron's first choice? What four days before we kick off? I imagine we're on our fourth or fifth choice by now.
Given he scores only 1 in every 4 games, I think you're right. And you have to consider sometimes he plays wide on the right and not as a striker. £12m, I'm not impressed. Not value for money. Seems like panic to me. £8M and he is worth a punt. Beyond that, I don't think so.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the note Chipmonk, I was about to put on anote like this . Boys, boys, boys We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do. If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match. He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice. Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.[/p][/quote]Long is Ron's first choice? What four days before we kick off? I imagine we're on our fourth or fifth choice by now.[/p][/quote]Given he scores only 1 in every 4 games, I think you're right. And you have to consider sometimes he plays wide on the right and not as a striker. £12m, I'm not impressed. Not value for money. Seems like panic to me. £8M and he is worth a punt. Beyond that, I don't think so. george chivers
  • Score: -2

8:46am Wed 13 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

costa gaz wrote:
Because of our inept board we will be taken to the cleaners now for every potential signing.
4 days until kick off and we are still looking for replacements and teams are well aware of our desperation.

Surely there is someone on the board who could have seen this......
UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
We have paid over the top because other clubs know we have money, not sure in the world they would of worked that one out.

Much as has happened to us Liverpool wanted our players and to get those players had to pay way over the odds.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Because of our inept board we will be taken to the cleaners now for every potential signing. 4 days until kick off and we are still looking for replacements and teams are well aware of our desperation. Surely there is someone on the board who could have seen this...... UNBELIEVABLE!!!![/p][/quote]We have paid over the top because other clubs know we have money, not sure in the world they would of worked that one out. Much as has happened to us Liverpool wanted our players and to get those players had to pay way over the odds. fascia123
  • Score: 9

8:48am Wed 13 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Bassett Boy wrote:
Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod?
Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him!
Also I am sure the same reaction came when JRod was signed, now everyone loves the guy.
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Boy[/bold] wrote: Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod? Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him![/p][/quote]Also I am sure the same reaction came when JRod was signed, now everyone loves the guy. fascia123
  • Score: 9

8:49am Wed 13 Aug 14

David Crook says...

What was wrong with Billy Sharpe?
What was wrong with Billy Sharpe? David Crook
  • Score: -1

8:49am Wed 13 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

I'm not sure about him, even before I met him I wasn't sure about him, you're obsessed about him compared to how much I'm not sure about him.
I'm not sure about him, even before I met him I wasn't sure about him, you're obsessed about him compared to how much I'm not sure about him. Alicesdad
  • Score: 0

8:50am Wed 13 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.
His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.
I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons.

If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.
Let's get real Hernandez, Bony or Hunterlaa were never going to join saints because we do not pay big wages and we can't offer them European football.
That statement acknowleges that our club cannot attract the players required to make the top four, even with the money required; therefore European Cup football unless we manage to fluke it, in which case expectation for players to stay at Southampton after another stellar season is another pipe dream.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.[/p][/quote]His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons. If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.[/p][/quote]Let's get real Hernandez, Bony or Hunterlaa were never going to join saints because we do not pay big wages and we can't offer them European football.[/p][/quote]That statement acknowleges that our club cannot attract the players required to make the top four, even with the money required; therefore European Cup football unless we manage to fluke it, in which case expectation for players to stay at Southampton after another stellar season is another pipe dream. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: -1

8:51am Wed 13 Aug 14

Chipmonk1 says...

This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
Rooflas wrote:
This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
Rooflas wrote:
All you so called supporters having a pop should hang your heads in shame. Long hasn't agreed the price and has come down from hill to a better club and to improve himself. Slating him before he's kicked a ball for us is madness, and why would he want to put a shift in with fans like some of you!
He is a proven premier league player unlike Danny ings (although I would also give him a chance as a local lad, netley) who I think could poach a few goals for us and fit in.
proven premier league player in what way!a forward that don't score goals!!!!!! Behave yourself?
We will see at the end if he scores more goals than danny!
I Know who my money's on!!!! Why not offer 15m for peter crouch seeing we're in lala land!
What a kn0b jockey!
Resulting to insults because you know I'm right Plumb!!!
Well I think we've established Sammy2sheds new login then. By the way Saints made a move for Ings the player and Burnley both said he was going nowhere. Hernandez was a target but never wanted the move and has Euro dreams. As said before you can want a player all you want but if the player doesn't want to come there's nowt you can do about it.
[quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: All you so called supporters having a pop should hang your heads in shame. Long hasn't agreed the price and has come down from hill to a better club and to improve himself. Slating him before he's kicked a ball for us is madness, and why would he want to put a shift in with fans like some of you! He is a proven premier league player unlike Danny ings (although I would also give him a chance as a local lad, netley) who I think could poach a few goals for us and fit in.[/p][/quote]proven premier league player in what way!a forward that don't score goals!!!!!! Behave yourself? We will see at the end if he scores more goals than danny! I Know who my money's on!!!! Why not offer 15m for peter crouch seeing we're in lala land![/p][/quote]What a kn0b jockey![/p][/quote]Resulting to insults because you know I'm right Plumb!!![/p][/quote]Well I think we've established Sammy2sheds new login then. By the way Saints made a move for Ings the player and Burnley both said he was going nowhere. Hernandez was a target but never wanted the move and has Euro dreams. As said before you can want a player all you want but if the player doesn't want to come there's nowt you can do about it. Chipmonk1
  • Score: 3

8:51am Wed 13 Aug 14

pitbull says...

It was a bit of a shock for me to see we're after Shane Long and the price does seem a bit high but if he does sign, I think he'll do a decent job for us.

There are a few strikers around that when I see their name on the opponents team sheet, I roll my eye's and think he'll cause us problems, Shane Long was one of them.

Sometimes there are players who have some great ability but just don't quite hit the heights, who need to find a team that fits THEM, hopefully The Saints and Shane Long will be a perfect match.

We could also sign Stern John and David Silva, now that would be a great forward line.
I'll let you work it out.
It was a bit of a shock for me to see we're after Shane Long and the price does seem a bit high but if he does sign, I think he'll do a decent job for us. There are a few strikers around that when I see their name on the opponents team sheet, I roll my eye's and think he'll cause us problems, Shane Long was one of them. Sometimes there are players who have some great ability but just don't quite hit the heights, who need to find a team that fits THEM, hopefully The Saints and Shane Long will be a perfect match. We could also sign Stern John and David Silva, now that would be a great forward line. I'll let you work it out. pitbull
  • Score: 4

8:53am Wed 13 Aug 14

Blackknight says...

Clearly as I have previously posted Saints needed another Striker.

However initially I am unsure about this signing, £12m seems a lot of money for a player that only scored 4 goals in 15 appearances but let's hope Koeman knows what he is doing.

If Saints wanted a Hull player then Tom Huddlestone would have been a good buy, especially with the uncertainty around Schneiderlin.

However lets reserve judgement give the lad time to settle in and see what he can produce.
Clearly as I have previously posted Saints needed another Striker. However initially I am unsure about this signing, £12m seems a lot of money for a player that only scored 4 goals in 15 appearances but let's hope Koeman knows what he is doing. If Saints wanted a Hull player then Tom Huddlestone would have been a good buy, especially with the uncertainty around Schneiderlin. However lets reserve judgement give the lad time to settle in and see what he can produce. Blackknight
  • Score: 3

8:54am Wed 13 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester

/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
Spot on, would think if any of our targets read the comments on this site before signing they wouldn't bother, everyone one we have signed has been a waste of time apparently.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]Spot on, would think if any of our targets read the comments on this site before signing they wouldn't bother, everyone one we have signed has been a waste of time apparently. fascia123
  • Score: 7

8:55am Wed 13 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Blackknight wrote:
Clearly as I have previously posted Saints needed another Striker.

However initially I am unsure about this signing, £12m seems a lot of money for a player that only scored 4 goals in 15 appearances but let's hope Koeman knows what he is doing.

If Saints wanted a Hull player then Tom Huddlestone would have been a good buy, especially with the uncertainty around Schneiderlin.

However lets reserve judgement give the lad time to settle in and see what he can produce.
How many midfielders?
[quote][p][bold]Blackknight[/bold] wrote: Clearly as I have previously posted Saints needed another Striker. However initially I am unsure about this signing, £12m seems a lot of money for a player that only scored 4 goals in 15 appearances but let's hope Koeman knows what he is doing. If Saints wanted a Hull player then Tom Huddlestone would have been a good buy, especially with the uncertainty around Schneiderlin. However lets reserve judgement give the lad time to settle in and see what he can produce.[/p][/quote]How many midfielders? fascia123
  • Score: 2

8:57am Wed 13 Aug 14

Rooflas says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Last summer we struggled to persuade top players to come here despite the fact we were going well. The new board seem unaware of that and now the result of them selling our best players before securing their replacements is that the good ones don't want to come here and clubs are fleecing us for the mediocre ones who do. All highly predictable and a tragedy. If we had kept our squad together the likes of Rojo and Hernandez may well have come. They and Forster would have been the missing three to push on.
I do agree, however I think those players would want big wages. In turn we increase existing players wages. We then start to rely heavily on cup runs, league finish positions Etc and before you know it we have done a Pompey!
I seriously think fans need to be realistic on the size of our club, are memories so short?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Last summer we struggled to persuade top players to come here despite the fact we were going well. The new board seem unaware of that and now the result of them selling our best players before securing their replacements is that the good ones don't want to come here and clubs are fleecing us for the mediocre ones who do. All highly predictable and a tragedy. If we had kept our squad together the likes of Rojo and Hernandez may well have come. They and Forster would have been the missing three to push on.[/p][/quote]I do agree, however I think those players would want big wages. In turn we increase existing players wages. We then start to rely heavily on cup runs, league finish positions Etc and before you know it we have done a Pompey! I seriously think fans need to be realistic on the size of our club, are memories so short? Rooflas
  • Score: 8

8:57am Wed 13 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.
His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.
I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons.

If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.
Let's get real Hernandez, Bony or Hunterlaa were never going to join saints because we do not pay big wages and we can't offer them European football.
That statement acknowleges that our club cannot attract the players required to make the top four, even with the money required; therefore European Cup football unless we manage to fluke it, in which case expectation for players to stay at Southampton after another stellar season is another pipe dream.
Correct .
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.[/p][/quote]His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons. If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.[/p][/quote]Let's get real Hernandez, Bony or Hunterlaa were never going to join saints because we do not pay big wages and we can't offer them European football.[/p][/quote]That statement acknowleges that our club cannot attract the players required to make the top four, even with the money required; therefore European Cup football unless we manage to fluke it, in which case expectation for players to stay at Southampton after another stellar season is another pipe dream.[/p][/quote]Correct . THE12THMAN
  • Score: 2

8:58am Wed 13 Aug 14

hagbourneutd says...

Everyone will have there own take on this whether positive or negative, at the moment its a reported bid not a contract offer or a medical just a bid so lets see.if you look at the way we lined up pre season its probably going to be 1 up top so it would be 1 of 2 pelle or long and on the face of it 12 million for a squad player sounds a lot but there's more expensive player's in the Premier that dont even get in squads let alone on the bench.yes we would all like more higher profile players but as a possible bench warmer that would b unlikely
Everyone will have there own take on this whether positive or negative, at the moment its a reported bid not a contract offer or a medical just a bid so lets see.if you look at the way we lined up pre season its probably going to be 1 up top so it would be 1 of 2 pelle or long and on the face of it 12 million for a squad player sounds a lot but there's more expensive player's in the Premier that dont even get in squads let alone on the bench.yes we would all like more higher profile players but as a possible bench warmer that would b unlikely hagbourneutd
  • Score: 1

8:58am Wed 13 Aug 14

Wembley76 says...

it's hardly surprising that all the negatives who predicted a 'fire sale', 'no ambition' , 'sale of the club', incompetent board etc, are now firing at the 'quality of signings'. The fact is that we are still rebuilding, it is not 1st Sept yet, we have brought in some good players at reasonable prices....Pelle, Tadic, Taider, Bertrand all look 'solid' and the Romanian CB and Long will also be good additions...I still feel sure we will be stronger 'overall' than this time last season (and frankly the money we rec'd for Shaw, Chamber, Lovren and Lallana was astronomical and too good to turn down) It is time to have faith in the manager and the club and get behind them and the team!!!
it's hardly surprising that all the negatives who predicted a 'fire sale', 'no ambition' , 'sale of the club', incompetent board etc, are now firing at the 'quality of signings'. The fact is that we are still rebuilding, it is not 1st Sept yet, we have brought in some good players at reasonable prices....Pelle, Tadic, Taider, Bertrand all look 'solid' and the Romanian CB and Long will also be good additions...I still feel sure we will be stronger 'overall' than this time last season (and frankly the money we rec'd for Shaw, Chamber, Lovren and Lallana was astronomical and too good to turn down) It is time to have faith in the manager and the club and get behind them and the team!!! Wembley76
  • Score: 5

8:59am Wed 13 Aug 14

JamesSS7 says...

Uninspiring target I am afraid. I would have hoped we would set our sights a little higher.
Uninspiring target I am afraid. I would have hoped we would set our sights a little higher. JamesSS7
  • Score: 0

8:59am Wed 13 Aug 14

Chipmonk1 says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester

/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
Careful Baz you're making too much sense
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]Careful Baz you're making too much sense Chipmonk1
  • Score: 7

9:00am Wed 13 Aug 14

Saint Clements says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester

/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]I hope the Board have more ambition than you do. Saint Clements
  • Score: 2

9:02am Wed 13 Aug 14

Rooflas says...

David Crook wrote:
What was wrong with Billy Sharpe?
Blind are we?
[quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: What was wrong with Billy Sharpe?[/p][/quote]Blind are we? Rooflas
  • Score: 4

9:02am Wed 13 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

Another long day of speculation, debate, ranting, anger, joy, gags and guesswork ahead. That's just the Echo. Keep it up chaps .. in the absence of any news we might as well keep the cogs turning.

Good innit ?? and just to reflect for a moment, we absolutely annihilated the blue ar$ed flies on these threads yesterday, they made themselves look truly foolish and uninformed with their inarticulate burbling and mindless fantsay references to being owned by fans. I'm sure they will buzz about again but the truth is they are a struggling nonentity of a business and will eventually end up in non league football. Yes indeed yesterday put them truly back in their box.
Another long day of speculation, debate, ranting, anger, joy, gags and guesswork ahead. That's just the Echo. Keep it up chaps .. in the absence of any news we might as well keep the cogs turning. Good innit ?? and just to reflect for a moment, we absolutely annihilated the blue ar$ed flies on these threads yesterday, they made themselves look truly foolish and uninformed with their inarticulate burbling and mindless fantsay references to being owned by fans. I'm sure they will buzz about again but the truth is they are a struggling nonentity of a business and will eventually end up in non league football. Yes indeed yesterday put them truly back in their box. Alicesdad
  • Score: 3

9:03am Wed 13 Aug 14

Rooflas says...

Chipmonk1 wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester


/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
Careful Baz you're making too much sense
Spot on baz

If so called supporters can't see it I suggest they go and play fantasy league football
[quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]Careful Baz you're making too much sense[/p][/quote]Spot on baz If so called supporters can't see it I suggest they go and play fantasy league football Rooflas
  • Score: 3

9:06am Wed 13 Aug 14

N Ireland Saint says...

Maybe 12m is a bit high but surely its about building a team that plays well together and works hard. It' all very well having a team of players with an " I or an O or Z at the end of their name with over inflated egos, but that doesn't always work. Lets give the Lad a chance he may well fit in well, Ron is no fool, give him a chance to build something special.
Maybe 12m is a bit high but surely its about building a team that plays well together and works hard. It' all very well having a team of players with an " I or an O or Z at the end of their name with over inflated egos, but that doesn't always work. Lets give the Lad a chance he may well fit in well, Ron is no fool, give him a chance to build something special. N Ireland Saint
  • Score: 2

9:07am Wed 13 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

JamesSS7 wrote:
Uninspiring target I am afraid. I would have hoped we would set our sights a little higher.
Have you been on another planet this last month or so, half the players that we had last season set their sights a little higher and left and before we start on that's because the club/owner/board have a lack of ambition we have done that one to death.
[quote][p][bold]JamesSS7[/bold] wrote: Uninspiring target I am afraid. I would have hoped we would set our sights a little higher.[/p][/quote]Have you been on another planet this last month or so, half the players that we had last season set their sights a little higher and left and before we start on that's because the club/owner/board have a lack of ambition we have done that one to death. fascia123
  • Score: 4

9:10am Wed 13 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Block 42 wrote:
But...well done hull city and steve bruce you have sold a veey average striker for 5 mill what u paid in january...please tell me the secrets of your business???#hulcityg

enius...#shrewedmove
Ask Les - he made at least that much over the true price on each of our outgoing youngsters. We're getting a little payback it seems.
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: But...well done hull city and steve bruce you have sold a veey average striker for 5 mill what u paid in january...please tell me the secrets of your business???#hulcityg enius...#shrewedmove[/p][/quote]Ask Les - he made at least that much over the true price on each of our outgoing youngsters. We're getting a little payback it seems. jls217
  • Score: 2

9:10am Wed 13 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Block 42 wrote:
But...well done hull city and steve bruce you have sold a veey average striker for 5 mill what u paid in january...please tell me the secrets of your business???#hulcityg

enius...#shrewedmove
Ask Les - he made at least that much over the true price on each of our outgoing youngsters. We're getting a little payback it seems.
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: But...well done hull city and steve bruce you have sold a veey average striker for 5 mill what u paid in january...please tell me the secrets of your business???#hulcityg enius...#shrewedmove[/p][/quote]Ask Les - he made at least that much over the true price on each of our outgoing youngsters. We're getting a little payback it seems. jls217
  • Score: 1

9:11am Wed 13 Aug 14

RedPastramy says...

Just when you thought the laughing at Saints had gone quiet. it has just gatherthered pace again... £12 million for Shane Long.
My dog used to play up front for the kennel club..... £10 million to you LES
Just when you thought the laughing at Saints had gone quiet. it has just gatherthered pace again... £12 million for Shane Long. My dog used to play up front for the kennel club..... £10 million to you LES RedPastramy
  • Score: -6

9:15am Wed 13 Aug 14

paulmsh says...

Firstly, I trust Ron to know where the squad needs strengthening and based on his chosen style of play, what type of striker will fit.
Secondly, If you play upfront for West Brom or Hull City you will feed on scraps and even Ronaldo would struggle to reach double figures in a season.
Finally, I have no interest in how much a player costs, it's not my money and as far as I can tell, has no impact on the cost of a ticket.
Firstly, I trust Ron to know where the squad needs strengthening and based on his chosen style of play, what type of striker will fit. Secondly, If you play upfront for West Brom or Hull City you will feed on scraps and even Ronaldo would struggle to reach double figures in a season. Finally, I have no interest in how much a player costs, it's not my money and as far as I can tell, has no impact on the cost of a ticket. paulmsh
  • Score: 5

9:15am Wed 13 Aug 14

killared says...

Saint Clements wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester


/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.
@Saint Clement , Costa has ambition but he's just speak the truth we cannot attract world beater ! We can make them but to buy them no way, they won't play for us .
[quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.[/p][/quote]@Saint Clement , Costa has ambition but he's just speak the truth we cannot attract world beater ! We can make them but to buy them no way, they won't play for us . killared
  • Score: 4

9:17am Wed 13 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.
His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.
I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons.

If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.
Let's get real Hernandez, Bony or Hunterlaa were never going to join saints because we do not pay big wages and we can't offer them European football.
That statement acknowleges that our club cannot attract the players required to make the top four, even with the money required; therefore European Cup football unless we manage to fluke it, in which case expectation for players to stay at Southampton after another stellar season is another pipe dream.
Correct .
Thanks for clearing that up, I guess I will have to be happy with mediocrity being forced onto a club that deserves more. Democracy rules.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.[/p][/quote]His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons. If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.[/p][/quote]Let's get real Hernandez, Bony or Hunterlaa were never going to join saints because we do not pay big wages and we can't offer them European football.[/p][/quote]That statement acknowleges that our club cannot attract the players required to make the top four, even with the money required; therefore European Cup football unless we manage to fluke it, in which case expectation for players to stay at Southampton after another stellar season is another pipe dream.[/p][/quote]Correct .[/p][/quote]Thanks for clearing that up, I guess I will have to be happy with mediocrity being forced onto a club that deserves more. Democracy rules. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: -1

9:17am Wed 13 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

andoru wrote:
I'd take him, but not for £12m. He could, as they say, "do a job" for us, but to part with that kind of money is crazy. Mind you, we paid a similar fee for Osvaldo and he only scored three times …
Might be the making of him Andoru..something to prove? We could've done with him last season.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: I'd take him, but not for £12m. He could, as they say, "do a job" for us, but to part with that kind of money is crazy. Mind you, we paid a similar fee for Osvaldo and he only scored three times …[/p][/quote]Might be the making of him Andoru..something to prove? We could've done with him last season. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

9:22am Wed 13 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester

/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
This is an extremely insightful comment. I don't think it's even about the board, but player's perceptions of our club. RoKo has already said he enjoyed the challenge of re-building every year in Holland so I think this is probably how we will run from now on. The only thing I don't quite understand is that Everton have held onto everybody and built upon that - I guess managerial stability had a lot to do with that.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]This is an extremely insightful comment. I don't think it's even about the board, but player's perceptions of our club. RoKo has already said he enjoyed the challenge of re-building every year in Holland so I think this is probably how we will run from now on. The only thing I don't quite understand is that Everton have held onto everybody and built upon that - I guess managerial stability had a lot to do with that. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 1

9:28am Wed 13 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester


/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
This is an extremely insightful comment. I don't think it's even about the board, but player's perceptions of our club. RoKo has already said he enjoyed the challenge of re-building every year in Holland so I think this is probably how we will run from now on. The only thing I don't quite understand is that Everton have held onto everybody and built upon that - I guess managerial stability had a lot to do with that.
More likely higher wages and European football than managerial stability.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]This is an extremely insightful comment. I don't think it's even about the board, but player's perceptions of our club. RoKo has already said he enjoyed the challenge of re-building every year in Holland so I think this is probably how we will run from now on. The only thing I don't quite understand is that Everton have held onto everybody and built upon that - I guess managerial stability had a lot to do with that.[/p][/quote]More likely higher wages and European football than managerial stability. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 4

9:28am Wed 13 Aug 14

jls217 says...

This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
beaneroo wrote:
He is a different type of player compared to pelle and Rodriguez so gives us a different option. Koeman has a good track record of getting strikers to score. Just look what he got out of guidetti and pelle. The price is inflates but that's the way the premiership is these days. If you want to buy from within the prem you pay over the odds. I trust the club scouts to have done their homework and I trust Koeman. Coyrs!
You don't need scouts we all seen what "long" did last season sod all! Headless chickens springs to mind! This is the straw that broke the camels back! The clubs has lost it! Panic buying cos they **** around putting silly offers in for players! Leavening them with no time! this makes all are other business look shrewd? Steve Bruce must be **** himself and I thought hull overpaid for him!!!! £12m and the best we can come up with is Shane long? There's no one else out there? What was it about 7 goals all season that's when he was fit? And we sold Rickie for £4m with 12 goals I could understand if he was 18/19 but 27?
Everton payed what for lukaku £20m!
Not one sighing has been anything to get excited about very average and that's what are season will pan out to be very average!!!!
Have a word with yourself. If you feel that strongly about it, dip into your life savings and put every penny of it toward buying the sort of striker you want. Don't be too surprised if half the fans don't agree with you and better still Rambo won't play him.

It's all about opinions mate and the only ones that matter in this case are those of the club and they can spend Katharina's money any way she gives them permission to. If Shane Long is what Rambo wants then that's what he'll get and all we can do is help Shane try to deliver the goods. C'mon be reasonable - if he's in a Saints strip he's one of us.
[quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beaneroo[/bold] wrote: He is a different type of player compared to pelle and Rodriguez so gives us a different option. Koeman has a good track record of getting strikers to score. Just look what he got out of guidetti and pelle. The price is inflates but that's the way the premiership is these days. If you want to buy from within the prem you pay over the odds. I trust the club scouts to have done their homework and I trust Koeman. Coyrs![/p][/quote]You don't need scouts we all seen what "long" did last season sod all! Headless chickens springs to mind! This is the straw that broke the camels back! The clubs has lost it! Panic buying cos they **** around putting silly offers in for players! Leavening them with no time! this makes all are other business look shrewd? Steve Bruce must be **** himself and I thought hull overpaid for him!!!! £12m and the best we can come up with is Shane long? There's no one else out there? What was it about 7 goals all season that's when he was fit? And we sold Rickie for £4m with 12 goals I could understand if he was 18/19 but 27? Everton payed what for lukaku £20m! Not one sighing has been anything to get excited about very average and that's what are season will pan out to be very average!!!![/p][/quote]Have a word with yourself. If you feel that strongly about it, dip into your life savings and put every penny of it toward buying the sort of striker you want. Don't be too surprised if half the fans don't agree with you and better still Rambo won't play him. It's all about opinions mate and the only ones that matter in this case are those of the club and they can spend Katharina's money any way she gives them permission to. If Shane Long is what Rambo wants then that's what he'll get and all we can do is help Shane try to deliver the goods. C'mon be reasonable - if he's in a Saints strip he's one of us. jls217
  • Score: 4

9:30am Wed 13 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.
His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.
I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons.

If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.
Let's get real Hernandez, Bony or Hunterlaa were never going to join saints because we do not pay big wages and we can't offer them European football.
That statement acknowleges that our club cannot attract the players required to make the top four, even with the money required; therefore European Cup football unless we manage to fluke it, in which case expectation for players to stay at Southampton after another stellar season is another pipe dream.
Correct .
Thanks for clearing that up, I guess I will have to be happy with mediocrity being forced onto a club that deserves more. Democracy rules.
I am afraid in life we don't always get what we deserve.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.[/p][/quote]His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons. If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.[/p][/quote]Let's get real Hernandez, Bony or Hunterlaa were never going to join saints because we do not pay big wages and we can't offer them European football.[/p][/quote]That statement acknowleges that our club cannot attract the players required to make the top four, even with the money required; therefore European Cup football unless we manage to fluke it, in which case expectation for players to stay at Southampton after another stellar season is another pipe dream.[/p][/quote]Correct .[/p][/quote]Thanks for clearing that up, I guess I will have to be happy with mediocrity being forced onto a club that deserves more. Democracy rules.[/p][/quote]I am afraid in life we don't always get what we deserve. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 0

9:33am Wed 13 Aug 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.
Thanks for the note Chipmonk,

I was about to put on anote like this .

Boys, boys, boys

We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do.

If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match.

He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice.

Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.
Long is Ron's first choice? What four days before we kick off? I imagine we're on our fourth or fifth choice by now.
So, the view is that our Manager is a monkey and Les Reed will buy any old rubbish. Why???????????

I am accused of being naïve. Can't deny it. I have an innate trust in people and I have rarely been let down.

Anyone thinking that Ronzo would come to us and play 2nd. Fiddle to an incompetent useless Board member is certainly not naïve like me. He is, however allowing his judgement be overruled by his anxiety.

I am just as concerned about what the new season is going to bring as the next man, but the Team and the Manager start the new season with my support, goodwill and maybe a few prayers to the footballing Gods
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the note Chipmonk, I was about to put on anote like this . Boys, boys, boys We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do. If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match. He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice. Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.[/p][/quote]Long is Ron's first choice? What four days before we kick off? I imagine we're on our fourth or fifth choice by now.[/p][/quote]So, the view is that our Manager is a monkey and Les Reed will buy any old rubbish. Why??????????? I am accused of being naïve. Can't deny it. I have an innate trust in people and I have rarely been let down. Anyone thinking that Ronzo would come to us and play 2nd. Fiddle to an incompetent useless Board member is certainly not naïve like me. He is, however allowing his judgement be overruled by his anxiety. I am just as concerned about what the new season is going to bring as the next man, but the Team and the Manager start the new season with my support, goodwill and maybe a few prayers to the footballing Gods Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 3

9:38am Wed 13 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester



/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
This is an extremely insightful comment. I don't think it's even about the board, but player's perceptions of our club. RoKo has already said he enjoyed the challenge of re-building every year in Holland so I think this is probably how we will run from now on. The only thing I don't quite understand is that Everton have held onto everybody and built upon that - I guess managerial stability had a lot to do with that.
More likely higher wages and European football than managerial stability.
Fair point. How do we break the cycle? That is the question. It would appear we have the funds if necessary - do we put down plans for a new or expansion of the current stadium? Bite the bullet with wages? Can we even do that under FFP?

It's heart-braking as a fan as we all want to remain positive but we can see the quality out has not been matched by quality in yet and I do fear for our back four on Sunday at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]This is an extremely insightful comment. I don't think it's even about the board, but player's perceptions of our club. RoKo has already said he enjoyed the challenge of re-building every year in Holland so I think this is probably how we will run from now on. The only thing I don't quite understand is that Everton have held onto everybody and built upon that - I guess managerial stability had a lot to do with that.[/p][/quote]More likely higher wages and European football than managerial stability.[/p][/quote]Fair point. How do we break the cycle? That is the question. It would appear we have the funds if necessary - do we put down plans for a new or expansion of the current stadium? Bite the bullet with wages? Can we even do that under FFP? It's heart-braking as a fan as we all want to remain positive but we can see the quality out has not been matched by quality in yet and I do fear for our back four on Sunday at the moment. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 0

9:39am Wed 13 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.
Thanks for the note Chipmonk,

I was about to put on anote like this .

Boys, boys, boys

We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do.

If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match.

He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice.

Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.
Long is Ron's first choice? What four days before we kick off? I imagine we're on our fourth or fifth choice by now.
So, the view is that our Manager is a monkey and Les Reed will buy any old rubbish. Why???????????

I am accused of being naïve. Can't deny it. I have an innate trust in people and I have rarely been let down.

Anyone thinking that Ronzo would come to us and play 2nd. Fiddle to an incompetent useless Board member is certainly not naïve like me. He is, however allowing his judgement be overruled by his anxiety.

I am just as concerned about what the new season is going to bring as the next man, but the Team and the Manager start the new season with my support, goodwill and maybe a few prayers to the footballing Gods
Amen to that!
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the note Chipmonk, I was about to put on anote like this . Boys, boys, boys We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do. If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match. He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice. Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.[/p][/quote]Long is Ron's first choice? What four days before we kick off? I imagine we're on our fourth or fifth choice by now.[/p][/quote]So, the view is that our Manager is a monkey and Les Reed will buy any old rubbish. Why??????????? I am accused of being naïve. Can't deny it. I have an innate trust in people and I have rarely been let down. Anyone thinking that Ronzo would come to us and play 2nd. Fiddle to an incompetent useless Board member is certainly not naïve like me. He is, however allowing his judgement be overruled by his anxiety. I am just as concerned about what the new season is going to bring as the next man, but the Team and the Manager start the new season with my support, goodwill and maybe a few prayers to the footballing Gods[/p][/quote]Amen to that! Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 0

9:42am Wed 13 Aug 14

southcoast supremacy says...

massively uninspired. I thought the board said once that they were replacing Rickie with a stiker that would give us good service for many ears to come?
So thats Long who averages a goal evry 3 - 4 matches and is far worse than RL??
Surely there are better/younger options out there for 12m?
Realy disapointed. Would rather give Billy Sharp a go until January to see if he can do it for us than waste 12m
massively uninspired. I thought the board said once that they were replacing Rickie with a stiker that would give us good service for many ears to come? So thats Long who averages a goal evry 3 - 4 matches and is far worse than RL?? Surely there are better/younger options out there for 12m? Realy disapointed. Would rather give Billy Sharp a go until January to see if he can do it for us than waste 12m southcoast supremacy
  • Score: 2

9:43am Wed 13 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.
Thanks for the note Chipmonk,

I was about to put on anote like this .

Boys, boys, boys

We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do.

If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match.

He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice.

Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.
Long is Ron's first choice? What four days before we kick off? I imagine we're on our fourth or fifth choice by now.
So, the view is that our Manager is a monkey and Les Reed will buy any old rubbish. Why???????????

I am accused of being naïve. Can't deny it. I have an innate trust in people and I have rarely been let down.

Anyone thinking that Ronzo would come to us and play 2nd. Fiddle to an incompetent useless Board member is certainly not naïve like me. He is, however allowing his judgement be overruled by his anxiety.

I am just as concerned about what the new season is going to bring as the next man, but the Team and the Manager start the new season with my support, goodwill and maybe a few prayers to the footballing Gods
Our manager has been as let down by the board as we have. The board sold 5, yes that's 5, top players and this is all the result of that. The Hernandez's and Rojo's of this world don't want to come to us as they see no ambition but the Long's see us as a step up and Hull see the chance to grab some money from a desperate cash rich club. It's not difficult Graham.
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the note Chipmonk, I was about to put on anote like this . Boys, boys, boys We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do. If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match. He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice. Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.[/p][/quote]Long is Ron's first choice? What four days before we kick off? I imagine we're on our fourth or fifth choice by now.[/p][/quote]So, the view is that our Manager is a monkey and Les Reed will buy any old rubbish. Why??????????? I am accused of being naïve. Can't deny it. I have an innate trust in people and I have rarely been let down. Anyone thinking that Ronzo would come to us and play 2nd. Fiddle to an incompetent useless Board member is certainly not naïve like me. He is, however allowing his judgement be overruled by his anxiety. I am just as concerned about what the new season is going to bring as the next man, but the Team and the Manager start the new season with my support, goodwill and maybe a few prayers to the footballing Gods[/p][/quote]Our manager has been as let down by the board as we have. The board sold 5, yes that's 5, top players and this is all the result of that. The Hernandez's and Rojo's of this world don't want to come to us as they see no ambition but the Long's see us as a step up and Hull see the chance to grab some money from a desperate cash rich club. It's not difficult Graham. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

9:43am Wed 13 Aug 14

Costa Baz says...

Saint Clements wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester


/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.
And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums.

Here's another reality check.

Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs.
Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?".
Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle.
[quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.[/p][/quote]And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums. Here's another reality check. Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs. Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?". Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle. Costa Baz
  • Score: 4

9:44am Wed 13 Aug 14

bathsaints says...

Shane Long has always seemed over rated in my book, does a lot of running but doesn't score many goals and falls over too easily. £12m is way too much, either we look at other options or we pay more for a marquee signing. Danny Ings, Joel Campbell for starters? Other players we were linked with seem to be linked to other teams that surely are no better than us. Redmond £5m bid from stoke, surely young english pacy winger for that kind of price would be good business. I guess none of us really knows what is going on behind the scenes and wanting to stay positive we should wait until we get to September and see how the first few games of the season pans out before we make a judgement. I am no Shane Long fan at all but I would rather players who give 100% and are committed to the cause then big name players who are just looking for a years stepping stone to a bigger club! Lets see some football and trust that we will be okay this season!
Shane Long has always seemed over rated in my book, does a lot of running but doesn't score many goals and falls over too easily. £12m is way too much, either we look at other options or we pay more for a marquee signing. Danny Ings, Joel Campbell for starters? Other players we were linked with seem to be linked to other teams that surely are no better than us. Redmond £5m bid from stoke, surely young english pacy winger for that kind of price would be good business. I guess none of us really knows what is going on behind the scenes and wanting to stay positive we should wait until we get to September and see how the first few games of the season pans out before we make a judgement. I am no Shane Long fan at all but I would rather players who give 100% and are committed to the cause then big name players who are just looking for a years stepping stone to a bigger club! Lets see some football and trust that we will be okay this season! bathsaints
  • Score: -2

9:48am Wed 13 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.
His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.
I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons.

If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.
Let's get real Hernandez, Bony or Hunterlaa were never going to join saints because we do not pay big wages and we can't offer them European football.
That statement acknowleges that our club cannot attract the players required to make the top four, even with the money required; therefore European Cup football unless we manage to fluke it, in which case expectation for players to stay at Southampton after another stellar season is another pipe dream.
Correct .
We had a route to European football last year but our manager knowing he was going and European football may of prevented the exodus that ensued decided not to take the opportunity.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.[/p][/quote]His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons. If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.[/p][/quote]Let's get real Hernandez, Bony or Hunterlaa were never going to join saints because we do not pay big wages and we can't offer them European football.[/p][/quote]That statement acknowleges that our club cannot attract the players required to make the top four, even with the money required; therefore European Cup football unless we manage to fluke it, in which case expectation for players to stay at Southampton after another stellar season is another pipe dream.[/p][/quote]Correct .[/p][/quote]We had a route to European football last year but our manager knowing he was going and European football may of prevented the exodus that ensued decided not to take the opportunity. fascia123
  • Score: 5

9:48am Wed 13 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Thanks but no thanks . He's a diver pure and simple. Spends most of his time falling on his a$$. And I expect Gaston will remember how he got him sent off at St. Marys. If we really need a cr@p striker I'm available, so I'm just off now to practice falling over.
Gaston got himself sent of by lashing out because Long was chasing him down the pitch.
And was pulling his shirt nearly off his back for about 15 yards of that chase.
That maybe the case but that is for the ref to deal with and not for Gaston to take the law in to his own hands, making the team a man short which in turn could effect the result of the game.
I agree with you that it should be dealt with by the referee. Unfortunately when players don't get the protection they eventually lose their cool and lash out. This is what happened in Gaston's case as the shirt pulling was so obvious and prolonged. I well remember a game when Lee Dixon physically assaulted David Ginola for an entire game. The referee that day gave him nothing and eventually he just got up for the umpteenth time and lumped him one. I remember thinking bl00dy well done. He deserved it. And yes he got sent off for it as well.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Thanks but no thanks . He's a diver pure and simple. Spends most of his time falling on his a$$. And I expect Gaston will remember how he got him sent off at St. Marys. If we really need a cr@p striker I'm available, so I'm just off now to practice falling over.[/p][/quote]Gaston got himself sent of by lashing out because Long was chasing him down the pitch.[/p][/quote]And was pulling his shirt nearly off his back for about 15 yards of that chase.[/p][/quote]That maybe the case but that is for the ref to deal with and not for Gaston to take the law in to his own hands, making the team a man short which in turn could effect the result of the game.[/p][/quote]I agree with you that it should be dealt with by the referee. Unfortunately when players don't get the protection they eventually lose their cool and lash out. This is what happened in Gaston's case as the shirt pulling was so obvious and prolonged. I well remember a game when Lee Dixon physically assaulted David Ginola for an entire game. The referee that day gave him nothing and eventually he just got up for the umpteenth time and lumped him one. I remember thinking bl00dy well done. He deserved it. And yes he got sent off for it as well. Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

9:50am Wed 13 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.
His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.
I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons.

If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.
Let's get real Hernandez, Bony or Hunterlaa were never going to join saints because we do not pay big wages and we can't offer them European football.
That statement acknowleges that our club cannot attract the players required to make the top four, even with the money required; therefore European Cup football unless we manage to fluke it, in which case expectation for players to stay at Southampton after another stellar season is another pipe dream.
Correct .
Thanks for clearing that up, I guess I will have to be happy with mediocrity being forced onto a club that deserves more. Democracy rules.
What's it got to do with democracy?
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.[/p][/quote]His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons. If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.[/p][/quote]Let's get real Hernandez, Bony or Hunterlaa were never going to join saints because we do not pay big wages and we can't offer them European football.[/p][/quote]That statement acknowleges that our club cannot attract the players required to make the top four, even with the money required; therefore European Cup football unless we manage to fluke it, in which case expectation for players to stay at Southampton after another stellar season is another pipe dream.[/p][/quote]Correct .[/p][/quote]Thanks for clearing that up, I guess I will have to be happy with mediocrity being forced onto a club that deserves more. Democracy rules.[/p][/quote]What's it got to do with democracy? Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

9:51am Wed 13 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester




/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
This is an extremely insightful comment. I don't think it's even about the board, but player's perceptions of our club. RoKo has already said he enjoyed the challenge of re-building every year in Holland so I think this is probably how we will run from now on. The only thing I don't quite understand is that Everton have held onto everybody and built upon that - I guess managerial stability had a lot to do with that.
More likely higher wages and European football than managerial stability.
Fair point. How do we break the cycle? That is the question. It would appear we have the funds if necessary - do we put down plans for a new or expansion of the current stadium? Bite the bullet with wages? Can we even do that under FFP?

It's heart-braking as a fan as we all want to remain positive but we can see the quality out has not been matched by quality in yet and I do fear for our back four on Sunday at the moment.
I can't see us expanding St Mary's as we only sold out four home games last season, I honestly don't know the answer to breaking the cycle, As for Sunday and our back four we will just have to try and score more goals than Liverpool, sounds simple doesn't it.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]This is an extremely insightful comment. I don't think it's even about the board, but player's perceptions of our club. RoKo has already said he enjoyed the challenge of re-building every year in Holland so I think this is probably how we will run from now on. The only thing I don't quite understand is that Everton have held onto everybody and built upon that - I guess managerial stability had a lot to do with that.[/p][/quote]More likely higher wages and European football than managerial stability.[/p][/quote]Fair point. How do we break the cycle? That is the question. It would appear we have the funds if necessary - do we put down plans for a new or expansion of the current stadium? Bite the bullet with wages? Can we even do that under FFP? It's heart-braking as a fan as we all want to remain positive but we can see the quality out has not been matched by quality in yet and I do fear for our back four on Sunday at the moment.[/p][/quote]I can't see us expanding St Mary's as we only sold out four home games last season, I honestly don't know the answer to breaking the cycle, As for Sunday and our back four we will just have to try and score more goals than Liverpool, sounds simple doesn't it. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 1

9:51am Wed 13 Aug 14

Saint Clements says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester



/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.
And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums.

Here's another reality check.

Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs.
Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?".
Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle.
Baz, you make good arguments. But isn't the point of progression that you should continue getting better - in our case that we should be able to buy better players this summer than we did last, because this summer we entered the transfer window with the league's most exciting young squad and a genuine chance of pushing top-six status?

That's why I'm so frustrated - this summer felt like our chance to to merely survive, but to thrive.

Every Saints fan on here is a proper fan - why else would we all bothe voicing our opinions?

For what it's worth, mine is that I will never be happy seeing the club I've loved for 33 years languishing in the mid-table position.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.[/p][/quote]And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums. Here's another reality check. Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs. Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?". Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle.[/p][/quote]Baz, you make good arguments. But isn't the point of progression that you should continue getting better - in our case that we should be able to buy better players this summer than we did last, because this summer we entered the transfer window with the league's most exciting young squad and a genuine chance of pushing top-six status? That's why I'm so frustrated - this summer felt like our chance to to merely survive, but to thrive. Every Saints fan on here is a proper fan - why else would we all bothe voicing our opinions? For what it's worth, mine is that I will never be happy seeing the club I've loved for 33 years languishing in the mid-table position. Saint Clements
  • Score: -1

9:55am Wed 13 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

We all excepting the blue phew and WUM S2S and his alter ego log ins support Saints, as with any room with more than 2 people factions develop and dissent arises, only a few from either side gives credence to the other and the split widens…

I want to ask those with complete faith in the board their honest take on the following..

Les Reed said no one would leave that the club did not want to go…speaking personally the last exodus on this scale was Moses and his followers fleeing Egypt.

Les Reed informed us that they could not believe the quality of players wanting to come here and they had 20 scouts who had identified talent all over Europe….

..Why are we looking at a 1 game in four scorer from Hull then.

..They have stated categorically that Spider is not for sale, so why has he not been read the riot act instead of indulged, contract= wages= play.

Why have our weakest areas from last season not been lined up ready to sign the moment Koeman comes in, he clearly defers to Les and the board whenever player questions are asked so the new manager aspect need not have held up advanced negotiations, the statement from Ralph on radio Solent really does not ring true.

Look I do not want to be right, however like a weary PI the evidence does not look good even though i do not want to find the board guilty because in the process I as a fan am screwed.

Personally I think the board is shoring up the financial base for a sell on in two years, Les Reed has been entrusted with bringing in a cheaper team that can retain Premiership….

The gutting line which sunk Ralph for me is when he said we would bring in players as good or even better than those who left, I think he has hung himself and Katherina with those words because once kick off starts and his and Les Reeds promises are seen as untruths purposeful or not there is going to be massive discontent.

.. worse perhaps than Lowe who was always confined to a shoestring after his own dividends..in this case there is no excuse and the destruction of our dream when not in financial peril will bite everyone not least US the fans on the 4ss.
We all excepting the blue phew and WUM S2S and his alter ego log ins support Saints, as with any room with more than 2 people factions develop and dissent arises, only a few from either side gives credence to the other and the split widens… I want to ask those with complete faith in the board their honest take on the following.. Les Reed said no one would leave that the club did not want to go…speaking personally the last exodus on this scale was Moses and his followers fleeing Egypt. Les Reed informed us that they could not believe the quality of players wanting to come here and they had 20 scouts who had identified talent all over Europe…. ..Why are we looking at a 1 game in four scorer from Hull then. ..They have stated categorically that Spider is not for sale, so why has he not been read the riot act instead of indulged, contract= wages= play. Why have our weakest areas from last season not been lined up ready to sign the moment Koeman comes in, he clearly defers to Les and the board whenever player questions are asked so the new manager aspect need not have held up advanced negotiations, the statement from Ralph on radio Solent really does not ring true. Look I do not want to be right, however like a weary PI the evidence does not look good even though i do not want to find the board guilty because in the process I as a fan am screwed. Personally I think the board is shoring up the financial base for a sell on in two years, Les Reed has been entrusted with bringing in a cheaper team that can retain Premiership…. The gutting line which sunk Ralph for me is when he said we would bring in players as good or even better than those who left, I think he has hung himself and Katherina with those words because once kick off starts and his and Les Reeds promises are seen as untruths purposeful or not there is going to be massive discontent. .. worse perhaps than Lowe who was always confined to a shoestring after his own dividends..in this case there is no excuse and the destruction of our dream when not in financial peril will bite everyone not least US the fans on the 4ss. warrens 76
  • Score: -4

9:56am Wed 13 Aug 14

george chivers says...

fascia123 wrote:
Bassett Boy wrote:
Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod?
Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him!
Also I am sure the same reaction came when JRod was signed, now everyone loves the guy.
JRod was five years younger with a better goals per games ratio and quicker off the mark. Ormerod worked very hard and I loved him as well for his work rate, but actually he lacked pace to get on the end of passes. Did he score that many goals? He gave the impression he was flying along but wasn't that quick. But gave it everything.

I think we need somebody who scores more goals than Shane Long. One in four is not good enough.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Boy[/bold] wrote: Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod? Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him![/p][/quote]Also I am sure the same reaction came when JRod was signed, now everyone loves the guy.[/p][/quote]JRod was five years younger with a better goals per games ratio and quicker off the mark. Ormerod worked very hard and I loved him as well for his work rate, but actually he lacked pace to get on the end of passes. Did he score that many goals? He gave the impression he was flying along but wasn't that quick. But gave it everything. I think we need somebody who scores more goals than Shane Long. One in four is not good enough. george chivers
  • Score: 2

9:59am Wed 13 Aug 14

NikkkoNik says...

Chipmonk1 wrote:
NikkkoNik wrote:
Shocking a brainless desperate board who are consistently failing by the hour daily since they came into power. The shows a plan to keep the money and run. Why would you buy a low end has been who has consistently failed in the premier league? We have just let the argentine defender be snapped up by Man Utd because we dithered.. This board has been the worst board at our most critical hour, If I was the manager I would walk, this board has failed to get key quality signings in when we most need it to perform, why not buy Ings, Zahire, anyone not a Hull failure,
We missed out on Rojo for the same reason we missed out on Buttner. The player was hoping a big club would come in for them. I can guarantee that Les Reed wishes it was as simple as offering money. Rojo has apparently handed in a transfer request when the mancs came calling not us. We can only sign players that want to come not the ones you want to come. I hope that if signed the neggies will at least get behind Long after all he will be a Saint
We had bids rejected at £10M Man Utd come in £18M done! Next one!
We took weeks to increase our offer allowing other clubs to come in. But we are bidding 12M for a 2M player who would not get into any other perm team outside the bottom three. Laugh, what do you thing Hull will do with this money? Probably go buy Zahair. LES REED is not a director of football. He is a parking attendant collecting the correct fare as a car leaves. Anyone can sell a player, like any accountant can cut costs. It takes imagination and flare to build a future team, not idiot signing at studied prices.
[quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NikkkoNik[/bold] wrote: Shocking a brainless desperate board who are consistently failing by the hour daily since they came into power. The shows a plan to keep the money and run. Why would you buy a low end has been who has consistently failed in the premier league? We have just let the argentine defender be snapped up by Man Utd because we dithered.. This board has been the worst board at our most critical hour, If I was the manager I would walk, this board has failed to get key quality signings in when we most need it to perform, why not buy Ings, Zahire, anyone not a Hull failure,[/p][/quote]We missed out on Rojo for the same reason we missed out on Buttner. The player was hoping a big club would come in for them. I can guarantee that Les Reed wishes it was as simple as offering money. Rojo has apparently handed in a transfer request when the mancs came calling not us. We can only sign players that want to come not the ones you want to come. I hope that if signed the neggies will at least get behind Long after all he will be a Saint[/p][/quote]We had bids rejected at £10M Man Utd come in £18M done! Next one! We took weeks to increase our offer allowing other clubs to come in. But we are bidding 12M for a 2M player who would not get into any other perm team outside the bottom three. Laugh, what do you thing Hull will do with this money? Probably go buy Zahair. LES REED is not a director of football. He is a parking attendant collecting the correct fare as a car leaves. Anyone can sell a player, like any accountant can cut costs. It takes imagination and flare to build a future team, not idiot signing at studied prices. NikkkoNik
  • Score: -6

10:00am Wed 13 Aug 14

cotswoldsaint says...

Good god, the bleating on here would give a sheep a headache!
Good god, the bleating on here would give a sheep a headache! cotswoldsaint
  • Score: 3

10:00am Wed 13 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester





/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
This is an extremely insightful comment. I don't think it's even about the board, but player's perceptions of our club. RoKo has already said he enjoyed the challenge of re-building every year in Holland so I think this is probably how we will run from now on. The only thing I don't quite understand is that Everton have held onto everybody and built upon that - I guess managerial stability had a lot to do with that.
More likely higher wages and European football than managerial stability.
Fair point. How do we break the cycle? That is the question. It would appear we have the funds if necessary - do we put down plans for a new or expansion of the current stadium? Bite the bullet with wages? Can we even do that under FFP?

It's heart-braking as a fan as we all want to remain positive but we can see the quality out has not been matched by quality in yet and I do fear for our back four on Sunday at the moment.
I can't see us expanding St Mary's as we only sold out four home games last season, I honestly don't know the answer to breaking the cycle, As for Sunday and our back four we will just have to try and score more goals than Liverpool, sounds simple doesn't it.
I have been at the çrse on a wednesday night in the late 80's and there were 27.000 next week they had 46.000….I have been at Stamford bridge same era when Chelsea played us and had 9000 yes 9000 and 2000 were us..in the same season they had gates over 50.000.

These clubs have had time to eveolve and create the fan base and when called upon fill the stadium… we have to build the stadium up, it is the failure of Lowe not to go for 420000 at the time that is giving us problems now..how much longer must we wait..
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]This is an extremely insightful comment. I don't think it's even about the board, but player's perceptions of our club. RoKo has already said he enjoyed the challenge of re-building every year in Holland so I think this is probably how we will run from now on. The only thing I don't quite understand is that Everton have held onto everybody and built upon that - I guess managerial stability had a lot to do with that.[/p][/quote]More likely higher wages and European football than managerial stability.[/p][/quote]Fair point. How do we break the cycle? That is the question. It would appear we have the funds if necessary - do we put down plans for a new or expansion of the current stadium? Bite the bullet with wages? Can we even do that under FFP? It's heart-braking as a fan as we all want to remain positive but we can see the quality out has not been matched by quality in yet and I do fear for our back four on Sunday at the moment.[/p][/quote]I can't see us expanding St Mary's as we only sold out four home games last season, I honestly don't know the answer to breaking the cycle, As for Sunday and our back four we will just have to try and score more goals than Liverpool, sounds simple doesn't it.[/p][/quote]I have been at the çrse on a wednesday night in the late 80's and there were 27.000 next week they had 46.000….I have been at Stamford bridge same era when Chelsea played us and had 9000 yes 9000 and 2000 were us..in the same season they had gates over 50.000. These clubs have had time to eveolve and create the fan base and when called upon fill the stadium… we have to build the stadium up, it is the failure of Lowe not to go for 420000 at the time that is giving us problems now..how much longer must we wait.. warrens 76
  • Score: 0

10:03am Wed 13 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Personally I think he's a good player. Slightly surprised Hull would let him go considering they've only just bought him and, if so, maybe we should put in a bid for Davies as well (or instead of) as they seem to be open to business at the right price.

I see Long as more of a Robbie Keane type who is developing late - more of a nine a season guy but brings players into the game.

The fee seems steep, but I'd say you can knock three or four million off that for the actual up front price.

Wouldn't be disgusted by this deal, but we'd still need to be backing it up with a really big striker signing IMO.
Personally I think he's a good player. Slightly surprised Hull would let him go considering they've only just bought him and, if so, maybe we should put in a bid for Davies as well (or instead of) as they seem to be open to business at the right price. I see Long as more of a Robbie Keane type who is developing late - more of a nine a season guy but brings players into the game. The fee seems steep, but I'd say you can knock three or four million off that for the actual up front price. Wouldn't be disgusted by this deal, but we'd still need to be backing it up with a really big striker signing IMO. SaintJD
  • Score: 3

10:03am Wed 13 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

Clever Dick wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Thanks but no thanks . He's a diver pure and simple. Spends most of his time falling on his a$$. And I expect Gaston will remember how he got him sent off at St. Marys. If we really need a cr@p striker I'm available, so I'm just off now to practice falling over.
Gaston got himself sent of by lashing out because Long was chasing him down the pitch.
And was pulling his shirt nearly off his back for about 15 yards of that chase.
That maybe the case but that is for the ref to deal with and not for Gaston to take the law in to his own hands, making the team a man short which in turn could effect the result of the game.
I agree with you that it should be dealt with by the referee. Unfortunately when players don't get the protection they eventually lose their cool and lash out. This is what happened in Gaston's case as the shirt pulling was so obvious and prolonged. I well remember a game when Lee Dixon physically assaulted David Ginola for an entire game. The referee that day gave him nothing and eventually he just got up for the umpteenth time and lumped him one. I remember thinking bl00dy well done. He deserved it. And yes he got sent off for it as well.
Players can not lash out, it can cost the team a game if the player is sent off you also lose that player while he is suspended which in turn can cost your team points. A good example of self control is Lionel Messi he gets kicked all over the pitch every game but you never see him lash out,he just gets up and gets on with it.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Thanks but no thanks . He's a diver pure and simple. Spends most of his time falling on his a$$. And I expect Gaston will remember how he got him sent off at St. Marys. If we really need a cr@p striker I'm available, so I'm just off now to practice falling over.[/p][/quote]Gaston got himself sent of by lashing out because Long was chasing him down the pitch.[/p][/quote]And was pulling his shirt nearly off his back for about 15 yards of that chase.[/p][/quote]That maybe the case but that is for the ref to deal with and not for Gaston to take the law in to his own hands, making the team a man short which in turn could effect the result of the game.[/p][/quote]I agree with you that it should be dealt with by the referee. Unfortunately when players don't get the protection they eventually lose their cool and lash out. This is what happened in Gaston's case as the shirt pulling was so obvious and prolonged. I well remember a game when Lee Dixon physically assaulted David Ginola for an entire game. The referee that day gave him nothing and eventually he just got up for the umpteenth time and lumped him one. I remember thinking bl00dy well done. He deserved it. And yes he got sent off for it as well.[/p][/quote]Players can not lash out, it can cost the team a game if the player is sent off you also lose that player while he is suspended which in turn can cost your team points. A good example of self control is Lionel Messi he gets kicked all over the pitch every game but you never see him lash out,he just gets up and gets on with it. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 1

10:03am Wed 13 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.
Thanks for the note Chipmonk,

I was about to put on anote like this .

Boys, boys, boys

We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do.

If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match.

He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice.

Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.
Long is Ron's first choice? What four days before we kick off? I imagine we're on our fourth or fifth choice by now.
So, the view is that our Manager is a monkey and Les Reed will buy any old rubbish. Why???????????

I am accused of being naïve. Can't deny it. I have an innate trust in people and I have rarely been let down.

Anyone thinking that Ronzo would come to us and play 2nd. Fiddle to an incompetent useless Board member is certainly not naïve like me. He is, however allowing his judgement be overruled by his anxiety.

I am just as concerned about what the new season is going to bring as the next man, but the Team and the Manager start the new season with my support, goodwill and maybe a few prayers to the footballing Gods
Our manager has been as let down by the board as we have. The board sold 5, yes that's 5, top players and this is all the result of that. The Hernandez's and Rojo's of this world don't want to come to us as they see no ambition but the Long's see us as a step up and Hull see the chance to grab some money from a desperate cash rich club. It's not difficult Graham.
You seem to make the assumption that the Hernandezes and Rojos would have come to us if we had shown ambition and hadn't sold the five. It is only an assumption. If it were true, wouldn't you expect them to be happy to be go to any ambitious non-top-5 team? Or, are you suggesting there are no ambitious non-top-5 teams.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the note Chipmonk, I was about to put on anote like this . Boys, boys, boys We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do. If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match. He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice. Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.[/p][/quote]Long is Ron's first choice? What four days before we kick off? I imagine we're on our fourth or fifth choice by now.[/p][/quote]So, the view is that our Manager is a monkey and Les Reed will buy any old rubbish. Why??????????? I am accused of being naïve. Can't deny it. I have an innate trust in people and I have rarely been let down. Anyone thinking that Ronzo would come to us and play 2nd. Fiddle to an incompetent useless Board member is certainly not naïve like me. He is, however allowing his judgement be overruled by his anxiety. I am just as concerned about what the new season is going to bring as the next man, but the Team and the Manager start the new season with my support, goodwill and maybe a few prayers to the footballing Gods[/p][/quote]Our manager has been as let down by the board as we have. The board sold 5, yes that's 5, top players and this is all the result of that. The Hernandez's and Rojo's of this world don't want to come to us as they see no ambition but the Long's see us as a step up and Hull see the chance to grab some money from a desperate cash rich club. It's not difficult Graham.[/p][/quote]You seem to make the assumption that the Hernandezes and Rojos would have come to us if we had shown ambition and hadn't sold the five. It is only an assumption. If it were true, wouldn't you expect them to be happy to be go to any ambitious non-top-5 team? Or, are you suggesting there are no ambitious non-top-5 teams. Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

10:03am Wed 13 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.
His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.
I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons.

If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.
Let's get real Hernandez, Bony or Hunterlaa were never going to join saints because we do not pay big wages and we can't offer them European football.
That statement acknowleges that our club cannot attract the players required to make the top four, even with the money required; therefore European Cup football unless we manage to fluke it, in which case expectation for players to stay at Southampton after another stellar season is another pipe dream.
Correct .
Thanks for clearing that up, I guess I will have to be happy with mediocrity being forced onto a club that deserves more. Democracy rules.
What's it got to do with democracy?
Shouldn't have quoted politics... I mean the EPL system.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The club have made some very good signings this season, but this wouldn't be one. His strike rate isn't great and he is overpriced.[/p][/quote]His strike rate is about the same as Lamberts for the last two seasons but he is 6 years younger than Lambert hence the price, Liverpool payed £4m for RL a 33 year old.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't pay £12 mill for that strike rate. The trouble with Long is his strike rate has not been great THROUGHT his career. He has averaged a goal every 3.9 league games, whereas Rickie has an average of one every 2.5 games. And that's taking into consideration the fact that Rickie has started to feel the effects of his age in the last couple of seasons. If we are going to spend that sort of money on a 27 year old, I'd hope he'd have a better goal scoring record. Although Long is a workhorse and maybe Ron sees him doing a lot of the grunt work for Pelle.[/p][/quote]Let's get real Hernandez, Bony or Hunterlaa were never going to join saints because we do not pay big wages and we can't offer them European football.[/p][/quote]That statement acknowleges that our club cannot attract the players required to make the top four, even with the money required; therefore European Cup football unless we manage to fluke it, in which case expectation for players to stay at Southampton after another stellar season is another pipe dream.[/p][/quote]Correct .[/p][/quote]Thanks for clearing that up, I guess I will have to be happy with mediocrity being forced onto a club that deserves more. Democracy rules.[/p][/quote]What's it got to do with democracy?[/p][/quote]Shouldn't have quoted politics... I mean the EPL system. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 0

10:04am Wed 13 Aug 14

Chipmonk1 says...

RedPastramy wrote:
Just when you thought the laughing at Saints had gone quiet. it has just gatherthered pace again... £12 million for Shane Long.
My dog used to play up front for the kennel club..... £10 million to you LES
Established knackers new login as well. That didn't take long
[quote][p][bold]RedPastramy[/bold] wrote: Just when you thought the laughing at Saints had gone quiet. it has just gatherthered pace again... £12 million for Shane Long. My dog used to play up front for the kennel club..... £10 million to you LES[/p][/quote]Established knackers new login as well. That didn't take long Chipmonk1
  • Score: 1

10:04am Wed 13 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester



/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.
And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums.

Here's another reality check.

Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs.
Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?".
Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle.
Spot on Costa. We suffer from being a provincial club with fans who have big city ambitions and don't understand the realities of life.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.[/p][/quote]And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums. Here's another reality check. Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs. Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?". Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle.[/p][/quote]Spot on Costa. We suffer from being a provincial club with fans who have big city ambitions and don't understand the realities of life. george chivers
  • Score: -1

10:10am Wed 13 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

In happy clapper mode, I am OK with this, like the rest I am thinking it is too much and wondering if it is that much, no doubt it will appear as undisclosed. No doubt there is some clause which means Hull have to pass on some of it to WBA who have to pass on some to Reading e.t.c.
What have we got for our money? Experience, International, 100% tryer that gets goals, and has always been a pain in our butts when playing against us. Give him a chance, I suspect it is just a stop gap measure until JRod is fit.
In happy clapper mode, I am OK with this, like the rest I am thinking it is too much and wondering if it is that much, no doubt it will appear as undisclosed. No doubt there is some clause which means Hull have to pass on some of it to WBA who have to pass on some to Reading e.t.c. What have we got for our money? Experience, International, 100% tryer that gets goals, and has always been a pain in our butts when playing against us. Give him a chance, I suspect it is just a stop gap measure until JRod is fit. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

10:13am Wed 13 Aug 14

Big Mac says...

What about Shane Richie, I think he's likely scored more times?
What about Shane Richie, I think he's likely scored more times? Big Mac
  • Score: -1

10:13am Wed 13 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

george chivers wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester




/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.
And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums.

Here's another reality check.

Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs.
Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?".
Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle.
Spot on Costa. We suffer from being a provincial club with fans who have big city ambitions and don't understand the realities of life.
There doesn't seem to be much point in watching the premier league then, if the winners are pretty much set in stone with no chance of a surprise happening. And when it does, the top four are at that team like a school of pirahnas.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.[/p][/quote]And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums. Here's another reality check. Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs. Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?". Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle.[/p][/quote]Spot on Costa. We suffer from being a provincial club with fans who have big city ambitions and don't understand the realities of life.[/p][/quote]There doesn't seem to be much point in watching the premier league then, if the winners are pretty much set in stone with no chance of a surprise happening. And when it does, the top four are at that team like a school of pirahnas. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 0

10:15am Wed 13 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

george chivers wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester




/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.
And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums.

Here's another reality check.

Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs.
Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?".
Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle.
Spot on Costa. We suffer from being a provincial club with fans who have big city ambitions and don't understand the realities of life.
Cannot agree less George…I have seen Newcastle, leeds, Chelsea, Villa, Everton, Wednesday, all have smaller 'mean' average crowds than us back in Div 1 days….however because of capacity they would have occassional immense crowds for the big games which creates the base and a sense of identity..

..what the premier league has done aside form creating tv fans has made every game a must see for fans who were halfway there anyway…for us we would stabilize with a degree of success around 42.000 within 5 years..
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.[/p][/quote]And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums. Here's another reality check. Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs. Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?". Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle.[/p][/quote]Spot on Costa. We suffer from being a provincial club with fans who have big city ambitions and don't understand the realities of life.[/p][/quote]Cannot agree less George…I have seen Newcastle, leeds, Chelsea, Villa, Everton, Wednesday, all have smaller 'mean' average crowds than us back in Div 1 days….however because of capacity they would have occassional immense crowds for the big games which creates the base and a sense of identity.. ..what the premier league has done aside form creating tv fans has made every game a must see for fans who were halfway there anyway…for us we would stabilize with a degree of success around 42.000 within 5 years.. warrens 76
  • Score: 0

10:17am Wed 13 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

NikkkoNik wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
NikkkoNik wrote:
Shocking a brainless desperate board who are consistently failing by the hour daily since they came into power. The shows a plan to keep the money and run. Why would you buy a low end has been who has consistently failed in the premier league? We have just let the argentine defender be snapped up by Man Utd because we dithered.. This board has been the worst board at our most critical hour, If I was the manager I would walk, this board has failed to get key quality signings in when we most need it to perform, why not buy Ings, Zahire, anyone not a Hull failure,
We missed out on Rojo for the same reason we missed out on Buttner. The player was hoping a big club would come in for them. I can guarantee that Les Reed wishes it was as simple as offering money. Rojo has apparently handed in a transfer request when the mancs came calling not us. We can only sign players that want to come not the ones you want to come. I hope that if signed the neggies will at least get behind Long after all he will be a Saint
We had bids rejected at £10M Man Utd come in £18M done! Next one!
We took weeks to increase our offer allowing other clubs to come in. But we are bidding 12M for a 2M player who would not get into any other perm team outside the bottom three. Laugh, what do you thing Hull will do with this money? Probably go buy Zahair. LES REED is not a director of football. He is a parking attendant collecting the correct fare as a car leaves. Anyone can sell a player, like any accountant can cut costs. It takes imagination and flare to build a future team, not idiot signing at studied prices.
Not seem you on here before. You a new poster?

Quick question - if Long wouldn't get into any team outside the bottom three why has he been at two clubs outside the bottom three for so long?

Doesn't seem long ago that a large number of Saints fans were hailing Les Reed as the unsung hero of our rise through the leagues and the incredibly successful youth system we've built at the club.

While it is fair to criticise the board and management for the exodus at the beginning of the window I also think it is highly unfair to launch into people who have done great things for our club. I guess some fans have very short memories.

If you must judge him, judge him after you've seen the signings first hand for several weeks, ideally playing without people jumping on their backs every time they touch the ball.

And, before branding Long a 'Hull failure', he's currently got a consistent one goal in three games record in the top flight playing for two lesser clubs. I don't think that is terrible by any means. Plus he was a regular for Hull as I recall.

I also think he's improved massively in recent times.

We'll see.
[quote][p][bold]NikkkoNik[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NikkkoNik[/bold] wrote: Shocking a brainless desperate board who are consistently failing by the hour daily since they came into power. The shows a plan to keep the money and run. Why would you buy a low end has been who has consistently failed in the premier league? We have just let the argentine defender be snapped up by Man Utd because we dithered.. This board has been the worst board at our most critical hour, If I was the manager I would walk, this board has failed to get key quality signings in when we most need it to perform, why not buy Ings, Zahire, anyone not a Hull failure,[/p][/quote]We missed out on Rojo for the same reason we missed out on Buttner. The player was hoping a big club would come in for them. I can guarantee that Les Reed wishes it was as simple as offering money. Rojo has apparently handed in a transfer request when the mancs came calling not us. We can only sign players that want to come not the ones you want to come. I hope that if signed the neggies will at least get behind Long after all he will be a Saint[/p][/quote]We had bids rejected at £10M Man Utd come in £18M done! Next one! We took weeks to increase our offer allowing other clubs to come in. But we are bidding 12M for a 2M player who would not get into any other perm team outside the bottom three. Laugh, what do you thing Hull will do with this money? Probably go buy Zahair. LES REED is not a director of football. He is a parking attendant collecting the correct fare as a car leaves. Anyone can sell a player, like any accountant can cut costs. It takes imagination and flare to build a future team, not idiot signing at studied prices.[/p][/quote]Not seem you on here before. You a new poster? Quick question - if Long wouldn't get into any team outside the bottom three why has he been at two clubs outside the bottom three for so long? Doesn't seem long ago that a large number of Saints fans were hailing Les Reed as the unsung hero of our rise through the leagues and the incredibly successful youth system we've built at the club. While it is fair to criticise the board and management for the exodus at the beginning of the window I also think it is highly unfair to launch into people who have done great things for our club. I guess some fans have very short memories. If you must judge him, judge him after you've seen the signings first hand for several weeks, ideally playing without people jumping on their backs every time they touch the ball. And, before branding Long a 'Hull failure', he's currently got a consistent one goal in three games record in the top flight playing for two lesser clubs. I don't think that is terrible by any means. Plus he was a regular for Hull as I recall. I also think he's improved massively in recent times. We'll see. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

10:18am Wed 13 Aug 14

lowe esteem says...

There are a lot of Dream Team analysts on here again.
I want...I don't want...blah blah.

Well, this serves to remind us of the blatantly stupid manoeuvres that started unnecessarily with Sir Ricky Lambert, as I said at the time.
SOUTHAMPTON Football Club have contributed markedly to this currently inflated market place. We should have been looking to add goals to our team, and we sold our soul along with our goals, no argument.
You OPTI's and PESSI's had better join us Fence Sitter's and pray that RK is buying the right players to fit the team plan.
Generally speaking, that one 'marquee /glamour' signing won't work, so you'd better start trusting and pinning your hopes on *Koemans Acumen*, and that he's getting the right pieces together on the field of play.

(*You can use this if you like Daily Echo, but tell the paper boy not to miss my free Saturday edition, I always enjoy this edition most, as it seems to carry the most errors in spelling, grammar and detail -with the notable exception of Lawrie Mac.)
There are a lot of Dream Team analysts on here again. I want...I don't want...blah blah. Well, this serves to remind us of the blatantly stupid manoeuvres that started unnecessarily with Sir Ricky Lambert, as I said at the time. SOUTHAMPTON Football Club have contributed markedly to this currently inflated market place. We should have been looking to add goals to our team, and we sold our soul along with our goals, no argument. You OPTI's and PESSI's had better join us Fence Sitter's and pray that RK is buying the right players to fit the team plan. Generally speaking, that one 'marquee /glamour' signing won't work, so you'd better start trusting and pinning your hopes on *Koemans Acumen*, and that he's getting the right pieces together on the field of play. (*You can use this if you like Daily Echo, but tell the paper boy not to miss my free Saturday edition, I always enjoy this edition most, as it seems to carry the most errors in spelling, grammar and detail -with the notable exception of Lawrie Mac.) lowe esteem
  • Score: -1

10:18am Wed 13 Aug 14

Wembley76 says...

george chivers wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester




/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.
And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums.

Here's another reality check.

Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs.
Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?".
Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle.
Spot on Costa. We suffer from being a provincial club with fans who have big city ambitions and don't understand the realities of life.
Totally agree with Costa, some of our fans' have lost sight of reality...Ron is to be trusted, and he has a great track record of re-building teams (from the mess left behind by Cortese and MoPo - and an arrogant set of young 'starlets') Most teams below 8th will be eyeing us with 'envy' and 'trepidation', at the quality of our manager, the resources to build a strong squad and excellent youth coming through...getting better all the time'....'reasons to be cheerful'!!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.[/p][/quote]And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums. Here's another reality check. Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs. Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?". Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle.[/p][/quote]Spot on Costa. We suffer from being a provincial club with fans who have big city ambitions and don't understand the realities of life.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with Costa, some of our fans' have lost sight of reality...Ron is to be trusted, and he has a great track record of re-building teams (from the mess left behind by Cortese and MoPo - and an arrogant set of young 'starlets') Most teams below 8th will be eyeing us with 'envy' and 'trepidation', at the quality of our manager, the resources to build a strong squad and excellent youth coming through...getting better all the time'....'reasons to be cheerful'!! Wembley76
  • Score: 2

10:20am Wed 13 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester





/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
This is an extremely insightful comment. I don't think it's even about the board, but player's perceptions of our club. RoKo has already said he enjoyed the challenge of re-building every year in Holland so I think this is probably how we will run from now on. The only thing I don't quite understand is that Everton have held onto everybody and built upon that - I guess managerial stability had a lot to do with that.
More likely higher wages and European football than managerial stability.
Fair point. How do we break the cycle? That is the question. It would appear we have the funds if necessary - do we put down plans for a new or expansion of the current stadium? Bite the bullet with wages? Can we even do that under FFP?

It's heart-braking as a fan as we all want to remain positive but we can see the quality out has not been matched by quality in yet and I do fear for our back four on Sunday at the moment.
I can't see us expanding St Mary's as we only sold out four home games last season, I honestly don't know the answer to breaking the cycle, As for Sunday and our back four we will just have to try and score more goals than Liverpool, sounds simple doesn't it.
Ha! Suddenly I have no fears!! ;o) Yep, good points again about not selling out SMS. We only need to keep Sturridge/Sterling/C
outinho/Lambert/Gerr
ard etc quiet. perhaps we man mark them all!? I'm not sure if 4-3-3 will make us a little open - it is good on paper, and attacking, but could it prove naïve?

On the other hand 4-3-3 will need plenty of high energy players, and Shane Long certainly fits that bill.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]This is an extremely insightful comment. I don't think it's even about the board, but player's perceptions of our club. RoKo has already said he enjoyed the challenge of re-building every year in Holland so I think this is probably how we will run from now on. The only thing I don't quite understand is that Everton have held onto everybody and built upon that - I guess managerial stability had a lot to do with that.[/p][/quote]More likely higher wages and European football than managerial stability.[/p][/quote]Fair point. How do we break the cycle? That is the question. It would appear we have the funds if necessary - do we put down plans for a new or expansion of the current stadium? Bite the bullet with wages? Can we even do that under FFP? It's heart-braking as a fan as we all want to remain positive but we can see the quality out has not been matched by quality in yet and I do fear for our back four on Sunday at the moment.[/p][/quote]I can't see us expanding St Mary's as we only sold out four home games last season, I honestly don't know the answer to breaking the cycle, As for Sunday and our back four we will just have to try and score more goals than Liverpool, sounds simple doesn't it.[/p][/quote]Ha! Suddenly I have no fears!! ;o) Yep, good points again about not selling out SMS. We only need to keep Sturridge/Sterling/C outinho/Lambert/Gerr ard etc quiet. perhaps we man mark them all!? I'm not sure if 4-3-3 will make us a little open - it is good on paper, and attacking, but could it prove naïve? On the other hand 4-3-3 will need plenty of high energy players, and Shane Long certainly fits that bill. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: -1

10:23am Wed 13 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

george chivers wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Bassett Boy wrote:
Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod?
Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him!
Also I am sure the same reaction came when JRod was signed, now everyone loves the guy.
JRod was five years younger with a better goals per games ratio and quicker off the mark. Ormerod worked very hard and I loved him as well for his work rate, but actually he lacked pace to get on the end of passes. Did he score that many goals? He gave the impression he was flying along but wasn't that quick. But gave it everything.

I think we need somebody who scores more goals than Shane Long. One in four is not good enough.
A better goals ratio in the championship, his goal ratio in the premiership is about 1 in 3, Shane Longs is about 1 in 4, not a big difference really.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Boy[/bold] wrote: Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod? Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him![/p][/quote]Also I am sure the same reaction came when JRod was signed, now everyone loves the guy.[/p][/quote]JRod was five years younger with a better goals per games ratio and quicker off the mark. Ormerod worked very hard and I loved him as well for his work rate, but actually he lacked pace to get on the end of passes. Did he score that many goals? He gave the impression he was flying along but wasn't that quick. But gave it everything. I think we need somebody who scores more goals than Shane Long. One in four is not good enough.[/p][/quote]A better goals ratio in the championship, his goal ratio in the premiership is about 1 in 3, Shane Longs is about 1 in 4, not a big difference really. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 0

10:24am Wed 13 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
In happy clapper mode, I am OK with this, like the rest I am thinking it is too much and wondering if it is that much, no doubt it will appear as undisclosed. No doubt there is some clause which means Hull have to pass on some of it to WBA who have to pass on some to Reading e.t.c.
What have we got for our money? Experience, International, 100% tryer that gets goals, and has always been a pain in our butts when playing against us. Give him a chance, I suspect it is just a stop gap measure until JRod is fit.
Good post Osprey. And I think he'll surprise a few people. Also, while I don't like to brand people shadow Pompey fans, posters on here must take the highly negative comments of people with new user names with a massive pinch of salt. Others will be legitimately concerned because Long isn't a fashionable player, but personally I hope we sign him - if nothing else he's a reliable 10 goals a season guy and a team player and a good addition to our squad.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: In happy clapper mode, I am OK with this, like the rest I am thinking it is too much and wondering if it is that much, no doubt it will appear as undisclosed. No doubt there is some clause which means Hull have to pass on some of it to WBA who have to pass on some to Reading e.t.c. What have we got for our money? Experience, International, 100% tryer that gets goals, and has always been a pain in our butts when playing against us. Give him a chance, I suspect it is just a stop gap measure until JRod is fit.[/p][/quote]Good post Osprey. And I think he'll surprise a few people. Also, while I don't like to brand people shadow Pompey fans, posters on here must take the highly negative comments of people with new user names with a massive pinch of salt. Others will be legitimately concerned because Long isn't a fashionable player, but personally I hope we sign him - if nothing else he's a reliable 10 goals a season guy and a team player and a good addition to our squad. SaintJD
  • Score: 3

10:24am Wed 13 Aug 14

lovemachine says...

Remy £8 million, £35,000 a week to be doubled by qpr to 70, which is what Osvaldick was on, but scores goals-no brainer 4 million cheaper which could go towards his wages and will hit the ground running!!!
Remy £8 million, £35,000 a week to be doubled by qpr to 70, which is what Osvaldick was on, but scores goals-no brainer 4 million cheaper which could go towards his wages and will hit the ground running!!! lovemachine
  • Score: -3

10:24am Wed 13 Aug 14

John Gillham says...

Long would do well for us - a good buy but at £6 million not £12 million. Maybe the press have got the figure wrong.
Long would do well for us - a good buy but at £6 million not £12 million. Maybe the press have got the figure wrong. John Gillham
  • Score: 1

10:25am Wed 13 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
george chivers wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Bassett Boy wrote:
Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod?
Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him!
Also I am sure the same reaction came when JRod was signed, now everyone loves the guy.
JRod was five years younger with a better goals per games ratio and quicker off the mark. Ormerod worked very hard and I loved him as well for his work rate, but actually he lacked pace to get on the end of passes. Did he score that many goals? He gave the impression he was flying along but wasn't that quick. But gave it everything.

I think we need somebody who scores more goals than Shane Long. One in four is not good enough.
A better goals ratio in the championship, his goal ratio in the premiership is about 1 in 3, Shane Longs is about 1 in 4, not a big difference really.
With all due respect, Long is about five times better than Brett Ormerod. He's actually a pretty talented footballer.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Boy[/bold] wrote: Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod? Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him![/p][/quote]Also I am sure the same reaction came when JRod was signed, now everyone loves the guy.[/p][/quote]JRod was five years younger with a better goals per games ratio and quicker off the mark. Ormerod worked very hard and I loved him as well for his work rate, but actually he lacked pace to get on the end of passes. Did he score that many goals? He gave the impression he was flying along but wasn't that quick. But gave it everything. I think we need somebody who scores more goals than Shane Long. One in four is not good enough.[/p][/quote]A better goals ratio in the championship, his goal ratio in the premiership is about 1 in 3, Shane Longs is about 1 in 4, not a big difference really.[/p][/quote]With all due respect, Long is about five times better than Brett Ormerod. He's actually a pretty talented footballer. SaintJD
  • Score: 5

10:26am Wed 13 Aug 14

Wembley76 says...

One of the things I like most about the majority of Saints fans is their humility, groundedness, and gratitude...for example we had the most inspiring fans when we lost vs Arsenal in the FA Cup final, and we had the best fans who stuck with us when in the old Div 2, during the perennial fights with relegation in the 90's and during the dark years of administration and relegation....and yet there seem to be some now who are only to be satisfied if we reach Europe through a strategy akin to Leeds Utd, Portsmouth etc They appear to have 'bought into' the same unrealistic dream that Cortese sold to those naïve young 'wannabes'...c'mon. wake up and smell the coffee...we have so much to be positive about, not least in turning around a desperate situation.
One of the things I like most about the majority of Saints fans is their humility, groundedness, and gratitude...for example we had the most inspiring fans when we lost vs Arsenal in the FA Cup final, and we had the best fans who stuck with us when in the old Div 2, during the perennial fights with relegation in the 90's and during the dark years of administration and relegation....and yet there seem to be some now who are only to be satisfied if we reach Europe through a strategy akin to Leeds Utd, Portsmouth etc They appear to have 'bought into' the same unrealistic dream that Cortese sold to those naïve young 'wannabes'...c'mon. wake up and smell the coffee...we have so much to be positive about, not least in turning around a desperate situation. Wembley76
  • Score: 6

10:30am Wed 13 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

lovemachine wrote:
Remy £8 million, £35,000 a week to be doubled by qpr to 70, which is what Osvaldick was on, but scores goals-no brainer 4 million cheaper which could go towards his wages and will hit the ground running!!!
Problem is Remy failed his medical at Liverpool so I think the club might have a problem getting insurance for him, no brainier really.
[quote][p][bold]lovemachine[/bold] wrote: Remy £8 million, £35,000 a week to be doubled by qpr to 70, which is what Osvaldick was on, but scores goals-no brainer 4 million cheaper which could go towards his wages and will hit the ground running!!![/p][/quote]Problem is Remy failed his medical at Liverpool so I think the club might have a problem getting insurance for him, no brainier really. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 2

10:32am Wed 13 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

lovemachine wrote:
Remy £8 million, £35,000 a week to be doubled by qpr to 70, which is what Osvaldick was on, but scores goals-no brainer 4 million cheaper which could go towards his wages and will hit the ground running!!!
I agree on face value. However, he clearly has baggage. Of course I'd love it if we signed him, but apparently he does have a medical problem, he will be prioritising massive wages, and his personality is questionable.

Sometimes initial fees can be very misleading - I think you're kidding yourself if you think he will cost less than Long overall - much the opposite or everyone would have been clamouring for him.

Things in football are complicated. Why is Ba in Greece? Why is Chico in Qatar along with his manager? With is Michu out on loan somewhere?

I think we know the answer and it is nothing to do with the fee they were worth or who was interested - they went for the pay day.
[quote][p][bold]lovemachine[/bold] wrote: Remy £8 million, £35,000 a week to be doubled by qpr to 70, which is what Osvaldick was on, but scores goals-no brainer 4 million cheaper which could go towards his wages and will hit the ground running!!![/p][/quote]I agree on face value. However, he clearly has baggage. Of course I'd love it if we signed him, but apparently he does have a medical problem, he will be prioritising massive wages, and his personality is questionable. Sometimes initial fees can be very misleading - I think you're kidding yourself if you think he will cost less than Long overall - much the opposite or everyone would have been clamouring for him. Things in football are complicated. Why is Ba in Greece? Why is Chico in Qatar along with his manager? With is Michu out on loan somewhere? I think we know the answer and it is nothing to do with the fee they were worth or who was interested - they went for the pay day. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

10:34am Wed 13 Aug 14

Chipmonk1 says...

SaintJD wrote:
NikkkoNik wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
NikkkoNik wrote:
Shocking a brainless desperate board who are consistently failing by the hour daily since they came into power. The shows a plan to keep the money and run. Why would you buy a low end has been who has consistently failed in the premier league? We have just let the argentine defender be snapped up by Man Utd because we dithered.. This board has been the worst board at our most critical hour, If I was the manager I would walk, this board has failed to get key quality signings in when we most need it to perform, why not buy Ings, Zahire, anyone not a Hull failure,
We missed out on Rojo for the same reason we missed out on Buttner. The player was hoping a big club would come in for them. I can guarantee that Les Reed wishes it was as simple as offering money. Rojo has apparently handed in a transfer request when the mancs came calling not us. We can only sign players that want to come not the ones you want to come. I hope that if signed the neggies will at least get behind Long after all he will be a Saint
We had bids rejected at £10M Man Utd come in £18M done! Next one!
We took weeks to increase our offer allowing other clubs to come in. But we are bidding 12M for a 2M player who would not get into any other perm team outside the bottom three. Laugh, what do you thing Hull will do with this money? Probably go buy Zahair. LES REED is not a director of football. He is a parking attendant collecting the correct fare as a car leaves. Anyone can sell a player, like any accountant can cut costs. It takes imagination and flare to build a future team, not idiot signing at studied prices.
Not seem you on here before. You a new poster?

Quick question - if Long wouldn't get into any team outside the bottom three why has he been at two clubs outside the bottom three for so long?

Doesn't seem long ago that a large number of Saints fans were hailing Les Reed as the unsung hero of our rise through the leagues and the incredibly successful youth system we've built at the club.

While it is fair to criticise the board and management for the exodus at the beginning of the window I also think it is highly unfair to launch into people who have done great things for our club. I guess some fans have very short memories.

If you must judge him, judge him after you've seen the signings first hand for several weeks, ideally playing without people jumping on their backs every time they touch the ball.

And, before branding Long a 'Hull failure', he's currently got a consistent one goal in three games record in the top flight playing for two lesser clubs. I don't think that is terrible by any means. Plus he was a regular for Hull as I recall.

I also think he's improved massively in recent times.

We'll see.
Good post JD but you're talking to 2 shods or whatever alter ego he has today
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NikkkoNik[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NikkkoNik[/bold] wrote: Shocking a brainless desperate board who are consistently failing by the hour daily since they came into power. The shows a plan to keep the money and run. Why would you buy a low end has been who has consistently failed in the premier league? We have just let the argentine defender be snapped up by Man Utd because we dithered.. This board has been the worst board at our most critical hour, If I was the manager I would walk, this board has failed to get key quality signings in when we most need it to perform, why not buy Ings, Zahire, anyone not a Hull failure,[/p][/quote]We missed out on Rojo for the same reason we missed out on Buttner. The player was hoping a big club would come in for them. I can guarantee that Les Reed wishes it was as simple as offering money. Rojo has apparently handed in a transfer request when the mancs came calling not us. We can only sign players that want to come not the ones you want to come. I hope that if signed the neggies will at least get behind Long after all he will be a Saint[/p][/quote]We had bids rejected at £10M Man Utd come in £18M done! Next one! We took weeks to increase our offer allowing other clubs to come in. But we are bidding 12M for a 2M player who would not get into any other perm team outside the bottom three. Laugh, what do you thing Hull will do with this money? Probably go buy Zahair. LES REED is not a director of football. He is a parking attendant collecting the correct fare as a car leaves. Anyone can sell a player, like any accountant can cut costs. It takes imagination and flare to build a future team, not idiot signing at studied prices.[/p][/quote]Not seem you on here before. You a new poster? Quick question - if Long wouldn't get into any team outside the bottom three why has he been at two clubs outside the bottom three for so long? Doesn't seem long ago that a large number of Saints fans were hailing Les Reed as the unsung hero of our rise through the leagues and the incredibly successful youth system we've built at the club. While it is fair to criticise the board and management for the exodus at the beginning of the window I also think it is highly unfair to launch into people who have done great things for our club. I guess some fans have very short memories. If you must judge him, judge him after you've seen the signings first hand for several weeks, ideally playing without people jumping on their backs every time they touch the ball. And, before branding Long a 'Hull failure', he's currently got a consistent one goal in three games record in the top flight playing for two lesser clubs. I don't think that is terrible by any means. Plus he was a regular for Hull as I recall. I also think he's improved massively in recent times. We'll see.[/p][/quote]Good post JD but you're talking to 2 shods or whatever alter ego he has today Chipmonk1
  • Score: 0

10:34am Wed 13 Aug 14

george chivers says...

warrens 76 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester






/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
This is an extremely insightful comment. I don't think it's even about the board, but player's perceptions of our club. RoKo has already said he enjoyed the challenge of re-building every year in Holland so I think this is probably how we will run from now on. The only thing I don't quite understand is that Everton have held onto everybody and built upon that - I guess managerial stability had a lot to do with that.
More likely higher wages and European football than managerial stability.
Fair point. How do we break the cycle? That is the question. It would appear we have the funds if necessary - do we put down plans for a new or expansion of the current stadium? Bite the bullet with wages? Can we even do that under FFP?

It's heart-braking as a fan as we all want to remain positive but we can see the quality out has not been matched by quality in yet and I do fear for our back four on Sunday at the moment.
I can't see us expanding St Mary's as we only sold out four home games last season, I honestly don't know the answer to breaking the cycle, As for Sunday and our back four we will just have to try and score more goals than Liverpool, sounds simple doesn't it.
I have been at the çrse on a wednesday night in the late 80's and there were 27.000 next week they had 46.000….I have been at Stamford bridge same era when Chelsea played us and had 9000 yes 9000 and 2000 were us..in the same season they had gates over 50.000.

These clubs have had time to eveolve and create the fan base and when called upon fill the stadium… we have to build the stadium up, it is the failure of Lowe not to go for 420000 at the time that is giving us problems now..how much longer must we wait..
It's too late now. Football is in decline for younger people. They don't play he game like they used to and have too many cheaper technological alternatives in terms of entertainment. If we had an accessible 42,000 seater stadium we wouldn't fill it. It's too expensive to buy the tickets for ordinary people, especially if they have a mortgage and kids. It's fine for the grey generation or high flying rich kids, but for people below the average wage, its the telly at home, or in the pub, if they want to watch football.

These threads have a disproportionate number of greys who go to games and a lack of younger supporters coming through. When people who are in their forties now start to draw their diluted pensions they won't be spending fortunes on going to football matches. The Boomer bubble will have burst. But the cost of stadiums will have gone up and the number season ticket holders will have gone down. Except for the big brand clubs who will still be out there on their own, kept alive by the strength of their brand and a new generation of investor trillionaires.

For clubs like ours to do well the Big City teams in Europe need leave their domestic leagues and form a European League, so giving the rest of us a chance to build decent low cost teams with good support in our own countries. But even then the stadiums won't be any bigger even if the population has increased. Right now we are at the top of the curve, it won't go on forever.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]This is an extremely insightful comment. I don't think it's even about the board, but player's perceptions of our club. RoKo has already said he enjoyed the challenge of re-building every year in Holland so I think this is probably how we will run from now on. The only thing I don't quite understand is that Everton have held onto everybody and built upon that - I guess managerial stability had a lot to do with that.[/p][/quote]More likely higher wages and European football than managerial stability.[/p][/quote]Fair point. How do we break the cycle? That is the question. It would appear we have the funds if necessary - do we put down plans for a new or expansion of the current stadium? Bite the bullet with wages? Can we even do that under FFP? It's heart-braking as a fan as we all want to remain positive but we can see the quality out has not been matched by quality in yet and I do fear for our back four on Sunday at the moment.[/p][/quote]I can't see us expanding St Mary's as we only sold out four home games last season, I honestly don't know the answer to breaking the cycle, As for Sunday and our back four we will just have to try and score more goals than Liverpool, sounds simple doesn't it.[/p][/quote]I have been at the çrse on a wednesday night in the late 80's and there were 27.000 next week they had 46.000….I have been at Stamford bridge same era when Chelsea played us and had 9000 yes 9000 and 2000 were us..in the same season they had gates over 50.000. These clubs have had time to eveolve and create the fan base and when called upon fill the stadium… we have to build the stadium up, it is the failure of Lowe not to go for 420000 at the time that is giving us problems now..how much longer must we wait..[/p][/quote]It's too late now. Football is in decline for younger people. They don't play he game like they used to and have too many cheaper technological alternatives in terms of entertainment. If we had an accessible 42,000 seater stadium we wouldn't fill it. It's too expensive to buy the tickets for ordinary people, especially if they have a mortgage and kids. It's fine for the grey generation or high flying rich kids, but for people below the average wage, its the telly at home, or in the pub, if they want to watch football. These threads have a disproportionate number of greys who go to games and a lack of younger supporters coming through. When people who are in their forties now start to draw their diluted pensions they won't be spending fortunes on going to football matches. The Boomer bubble will have burst. But the cost of stadiums will have gone up and the number season ticket holders will have gone down. Except for the big brand clubs who will still be out there on their own, kept alive by the strength of their brand and a new generation of investor trillionaires. For clubs like ours to do well the Big City teams in Europe need leave their domestic leagues and form a European League, so giving the rest of us a chance to build decent low cost teams with good support in our own countries. But even then the stadiums won't be any bigger even if the population has increased. Right now we are at the top of the curve, it won't go on forever. george chivers
  • Score: -1

10:36am Wed 13 Aug 14

bathsaints says...

On a different note I see Spuds are offloading some players. Quite clearly they can't have Morgan but if Townsend and/or Lennon are surplus to requirements aren't they the type of players we are missing at the moment? May be worth a punt especially if we don't strengthen the defence as we may have to outscore opponents - which is at least more entertaining!
On a different note I see Spuds are offloading some players. Quite clearly they can't have Morgan but if Townsend and/or Lennon are surplus to requirements aren't they the type of players we are missing at the moment? May be worth a punt especially if we don't strengthen the defence as we may have to outscore opponents - which is at least more entertaining! bathsaints
  • Score: 1

10:37am Wed 13 Aug 14

george chivers says...

SaintJD wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
george chivers wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Bassett Boy wrote:
Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod?
Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him!
Also I am sure the same reaction came when JRod was signed, now everyone loves the guy.
JRod was five years younger with a better goals per games ratio and quicker off the mark. Ormerod worked very hard and I loved him as well for his work rate, but actually he lacked pace to get on the end of passes. Did he score that many goals? He gave the impression he was flying along but wasn't that quick. But gave it everything.

I think we need somebody who scores more goals than Shane Long. One in four is not good enough.
A better goals ratio in the championship, his goal ratio in the premiership is about 1 in 3, Shane Longs is about 1 in 4, not a big difference really.
With all due respect, Long is about five times better than Brett Ormerod. He's actually a pretty talented footballer.
But his job is to score goals. He doesn't score enough.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Boy[/bold] wrote: Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod? Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him![/p][/quote]Also I am sure the same reaction came when JRod was signed, now everyone loves the guy.[/p][/quote]JRod was five years younger with a better goals per games ratio and quicker off the mark. Ormerod worked very hard and I loved him as well for his work rate, but actually he lacked pace to get on the end of passes. Did he score that many goals? He gave the impression he was flying along but wasn't that quick. But gave it everything. I think we need somebody who scores more goals than Shane Long. One in four is not good enough.[/p][/quote]A better goals ratio in the championship, his goal ratio in the premiership is about 1 in 3, Shane Longs is about 1 in 4, not a big difference really.[/p][/quote]With all due respect, Long is about five times better than Brett Ormerod. He's actually a pretty talented footballer.[/p][/quote]But his job is to score goals. He doesn't score enough. george chivers
  • Score: -1

10:39am Wed 13 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

george chivers wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Bassett Boy wrote:
Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod?
Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him!
Also I am sure the same reaction came when JRod was signed, now everyone loves the guy.
JRod was five years younger with a better goals per games ratio and quicker off the mark. Ormerod worked very hard and I loved him as well for his work rate, but actually he lacked pace to get on the end of passes. Did he score that many goals? He gave the impression he was flying along but wasn't that quick. But gave it everything.

I think we need somebody who scores more goals than Shane Long. One in four is not good enough.
I'd be very interested to know if the same people saying Long is rubbish are some of the many who thought J-Rod was a terrible signing a couple of years back.

In fact, I seem to remember many people saying he was a waste of money about a year ago?

People could argue that we should be buying good Championship strikers ahead of Long (Deeley, Ings etc) and they might be right, but if we do sign Long it will be an insurance policy - someone who isn't that expensive but who we know can find the back of the net in the Premier League reasonably regularly.

With all these new players coming in we do need a solid, reliable signing among the gambles.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Boy[/bold] wrote: Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod? Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him![/p][/quote]Also I am sure the same reaction came when JRod was signed, now everyone loves the guy.[/p][/quote]JRod was five years younger with a better goals per games ratio and quicker off the mark. Ormerod worked very hard and I loved him as well for his work rate, but actually he lacked pace to get on the end of passes. Did he score that many goals? He gave the impression he was flying along but wasn't that quick. But gave it everything. I think we need somebody who scores more goals than Shane Long. One in four is not good enough.[/p][/quote]I'd be very interested to know if the same people saying Long is rubbish are some of the many who thought J-Rod was a terrible signing a couple of years back. In fact, I seem to remember many people saying he was a waste of money about a year ago? People could argue that we should be buying good Championship strikers ahead of Long (Deeley, Ings etc) and they might be right, but if we do sign Long it will be an insurance policy - someone who isn't that expensive but who we know can find the back of the net in the Premier League reasonably regularly. With all these new players coming in we do need a solid, reliable signing among the gambles. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

10:41am Wed 13 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

bathsaints wrote:
On a different note I see Spuds are offloading some players. Quite clearly they can't have Morgan but if Townsend and/or Lennon are surplus to requirements aren't they the type of players we are missing at the moment? May be worth a punt especially if we don't strengthen the defence as we may have to outscore opponents - which is at least more entertaining!
Michael Dawson might be worth a punt, I think they are offloading him aswell.
[quote][p][bold]bathsaints[/bold] wrote: On a different note I see Spuds are offloading some players. Quite clearly they can't have Morgan but if Townsend and/or Lennon are surplus to requirements aren't they the type of players we are missing at the moment? May be worth a punt especially if we don't strengthen the defence as we may have to outscore opponents - which is at least more entertaining![/p][/quote]Michael Dawson might be worth a punt, I think they are offloading him aswell. THE12THMAN
  • Score: -1

10:42am Wed 13 Aug 14

lovemachine says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
lovemachine wrote:
Remy £8 million, £35,000 a week to be doubled by qpr to 70, which is what Osvaldick was on, but scores goals-no brainer 4 million cheaper which could go towards his wages and will hit the ground running!!!
Problem is Remy failed his medical at Liverpool so I think the club might have a problem getting insurance for him, no brainier really.
I can see your point but it didn't bother Newcastle or QPR, and if he isn't insurable then that is effectively the end of his career? Can't see it tbh.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lovemachine[/bold] wrote: Remy £8 million, £35,000 a week to be doubled by qpr to 70, which is what Osvaldick was on, but scores goals-no brainer 4 million cheaper which could go towards his wages and will hit the ground running!!![/p][/quote]Problem is Remy failed his medical at Liverpool so I think the club might have a problem getting insurance for him, no brainier really.[/p][/quote]I can see your point but it didn't bother Newcastle or QPR, and if he isn't insurable then that is effectively the end of his career? Can't see it tbh. lovemachine
  • Score: -1

10:42am Wed 13 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Apologies for my rants but I have to admit that I am a bit PO'd that after the hard slog and getting back into the PL, seeing us do well last season left me hungry for more. Only to see the team splintered and have to regroup again. Personally I find the prospect of that happening again disconcerting.
Apologies for my rants but I have to admit that I am a bit PO'd that after the hard slog and getting back into the PL, seeing us do well last season left me hungry for more. Only to see the team splintered and have to regroup again. Personally I find the prospect of that happening again disconcerting. KiwiSaint74
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10:43am Wed 13 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

george chivers wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
george chivers wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Bassett Boy wrote:
Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod?
Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him!
Also I am sure the same reaction came when JRod was signed, now everyone loves the guy.
JRod was five years younger with a better goals per games ratio and quicker off the mark. Ormerod worked very hard and I loved him as well for his work rate, but actually he lacked pace to get on the end of passes. Did he score that many goals? He gave the impression he was flying along but wasn't that quick. But gave it everything.

I think we need somebody who scores more goals than Shane Long. One in four is not good enough.
A better goals ratio in the championship, his goal ratio in the premiership is about 1 in 3, Shane Longs is about 1 in 4, not a big difference really.
With all due respect, Long is about five times better than Brett Ormerod. He's actually a pretty talented footballer.
But his job is to score goals. He doesn't score enough.
One in three isn't bad.

What's Pelle's average in the Premier League?

We need the odd known quantity.

Let's say Long is being brought in as a replacement for Guly. Is this then a bad signing?
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Boy[/bold] wrote: Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod? Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him![/p][/quote]Also I am sure the same reaction came when JRod was signed, now everyone loves the guy.[/p][/quote]JRod was five years younger with a better goals per games ratio and quicker off the mark. Ormerod worked very hard and I loved him as well for his work rate, but actually he lacked pace to get on the end of passes. Did he score that many goals? He gave the impression he was flying along but wasn't that quick. But gave it everything. I think we need somebody who scores more goals than Shane Long. One in four is not good enough.[/p][/quote]A better goals ratio in the championship, his goal ratio in the premiership is about 1 in 3, Shane Longs is about 1 in 4, not a big difference really.[/p][/quote]With all due respect, Long is about five times better than Brett Ormerod. He's actually a pretty talented footballer.[/p][/quote]But his job is to score goals. He doesn't score enough.[/p][/quote]One in three isn't bad. What's Pelle's average in the Premier League? We need the odd known quantity. Let's say Long is being brought in as a replacement for Guly. Is this then a bad signing? SaintJD
  • Score: 1

10:44am Wed 13 Aug 14

Churchill Saint says...

NikkkoNik wrote:
Shocking a brainless desperate board who are consistently failing by the hour daily since they came into power. The shows a plan to keep the money and run. Why would you buy a low end has been who has consistently failed in the premier league? We have just let the argentine defender be snapped up by Man Utd because we dithered.. This board has been the worst board at our most critical hour, If I was the manager I would walk, this board has failed to get key quality signings in when we most need it to perform, why not buy Ings, Zahire, anyone not a Hull failure,
The negativity of some fans (?) on this site is bewildering. The Board are apparently a bunch of numpties for spending 12m on a striker with premier league experience. Is this not the same Board that sold a right back with a dozen or so games under his belt for 16m. Also bearing in mind the market price for strikers is way more than that of defenders. I am not saying that either deal is the best, but some balance would be nice.
[quote][p][bold]NikkkoNik[/bold] wrote: Shocking a brainless desperate board who are consistently failing by the hour daily since they came into power. The shows a plan to keep the money and run. Why would you buy a low end has been who has consistently failed in the premier league? We have just let the argentine defender be snapped up by Man Utd because we dithered.. This board has been the worst board at our most critical hour, If I was the manager I would walk, this board has failed to get key quality signings in when we most need it to perform, why not buy Ings, Zahire, anyone not a Hull failure,[/p][/quote]The negativity of some fans (?) on this site is bewildering. The Board are apparently a bunch of numpties for spending 12m on a striker with premier league experience. Is this not the same Board that sold a right back with a dozen or so games under his belt for 16m. Also bearing in mind the market price for strikers is way more than that of defenders. I am not saying that either deal is the best, but some balance would be nice. Churchill Saint
  • Score: 3

10:45am Wed 13 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

lovemachine wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
lovemachine wrote:
Remy £8 million, £35,000 a week to be doubled by qpr to 70, which is what Osvaldick was on, but scores goals-no brainer 4 million cheaper which could go towards his wages and will hit the ground running!!!
Problem is Remy failed his medical at Liverpool so I think the club might have a problem getting insurance for him, no brainier really.
I can see your point but it didn't bother Newcastle or QPR, and if he isn't insurable then that is effectively the end of his career? Can't see it tbh.
Please tell me why QPR aren't desperate to hold on to the guy. From what I can see they ideally want rid.
[quote][p][bold]lovemachine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lovemachine[/bold] wrote: Remy £8 million, £35,000 a week to be doubled by qpr to 70, which is what Osvaldick was on, but scores goals-no brainer 4 million cheaper which could go towards his wages and will hit the ground running!!![/p][/quote]Problem is Remy failed his medical at Liverpool so I think the club might have a problem getting insurance for him, no brainier really.[/p][/quote]I can see your point but it didn't bother Newcastle or QPR, and if he isn't insurable then that is effectively the end of his career? Can't see it tbh.[/p][/quote]Please tell me why QPR aren't desperate to hold on to the guy. From what I can see they ideally want rid. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

10:48am Wed 13 Aug 14

george chivers says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester





/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.
And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums.

Here's another reality check.

Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs.
Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?".
Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle.
Spot on Costa. We suffer from being a provincial club with fans who have big city ambitions and don't understand the realities of life.
There doesn't seem to be much point in watching the premier league then, if the winners are pretty much set in stone with no chance of a surprise happening. And when it does, the top four are at that team like a school of pirahnas.
Look at the last 10 years of the PL in terms of the top six teams. It's the same 6 or 7 teams. It's almost impossible to break through. The FA cup used to give the others a chance of glory, now it doesn't because it only gets you into the Europa league. A second grade competition.

The point of watching is to support your team and hope for the occasional fantastic result against a top club. That's the reality of what's left to shoot for.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.[/p][/quote]And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums. Here's another reality check. Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs. Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?". Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle.[/p][/quote]Spot on Costa. We suffer from being a provincial club with fans who have big city ambitions and don't understand the realities of life.[/p][/quote]There doesn't seem to be much point in watching the premier league then, if the winners are pretty much set in stone with no chance of a surprise happening. And when it does, the top four are at that team like a school of pirahnas.[/p][/quote]Look at the last 10 years of the PL in terms of the top six teams. It's the same 6 or 7 teams. It's almost impossible to break through. The FA cup used to give the others a chance of glory, now it doesn't because it only gets you into the Europa league. A second grade competition. The point of watching is to support your team and hope for the occasional fantastic result against a top club. That's the reality of what's left to shoot for. george chivers
  • Score: 1

10:50am Wed 13 Aug 14

george chivers says...

SaintJD wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
george chivers wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Bassett Boy wrote:
Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod?
Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him!
Also I am sure the same reaction came when JRod was signed, now everyone loves the guy.
JRod was five years younger with a better goals per games ratio and quicker off the mark. Ormerod worked very hard and I loved him as well for his work rate, but actually he lacked pace to get on the end of passes. Did he score that many goals? He gave the impression he was flying along but wasn't that quick. But gave it everything.

I think we need somebody who scores more goals than Shane Long. One in four is not good enough.
A better goals ratio in the championship, his goal ratio in the premiership is about 1 in 3, Shane Longs is about 1 in 4, not a big difference really.
With all due respect, Long is about five times better than Brett Ormerod. He's actually a pretty talented footballer.
But his job is to score goals. He doesn't score enough.
One in three isn't bad.

What's Pelle's average in the Premier League?

We need the odd known quantity.

Let's say Long is being brought in as a replacement for Guly. Is this then a bad signing?
Very bad at £12M.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Boy[/bold] wrote: Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod? Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him![/p][/quote]Also I am sure the same reaction came when JRod was signed, now everyone loves the guy.[/p][/quote]JRod was five years younger with a better goals per games ratio and quicker off the mark. Ormerod worked very hard and I loved him as well for his work rate, but actually he lacked pace to get on the end of passes. Did he score that many goals? He gave the impression he was flying along but wasn't that quick. But gave it everything. I think we need somebody who scores more goals than Shane Long. One in four is not good enough.[/p][/quote]A better goals ratio in the championship, his goal ratio in the premiership is about 1 in 3, Shane Longs is about 1 in 4, not a big difference really.[/p][/quote]With all due respect, Long is about five times better than Brett Ormerod. He's actually a pretty talented footballer.[/p][/quote]But his job is to score goals. He doesn't score enough.[/p][/quote]One in three isn't bad. What's Pelle's average in the Premier League? We need the odd known quantity. Let's say Long is being brought in as a replacement for Guly. Is this then a bad signing?[/p][/quote]Very bad at £12M. george chivers
  • Score: -1

10:54am Wed 13 Aug 14

Churchill Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.
Thanks for the note Chipmonk,

I was about to put on anote like this .

Boys, boys, boys

We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do.

If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match.

He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice.

Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.
Long is Ron's first choice? What four days before we kick off? I imagine we're on our fourth or fifth choice by now.
So, the view is that our Manager is a monkey and Les Reed will buy any old rubbish. Why???????????

I am accused of being naïve. Can't deny it. I have an innate trust in people and I have rarely been let down.

Anyone thinking that Ronzo would come to us and play 2nd. Fiddle to an incompetent useless Board member is certainly not naïve like me. He is, however allowing his judgement be overruled by his anxiety.

I am just as concerned about what the new season is going to bring as the next man, but the Team and the Manager start the new season with my support, goodwill and maybe a few prayers to the footballing Gods
Our manager has been as let down by the board as we have. The board sold 5, yes that's 5, top players and this is all the result of that. The Hernandez's and Rojo's of this world don't want to come to us as they see no ambition but the Long's see us as a step up and Hull see the chance to grab some money from a desperate cash rich club. It's not difficult Graham.
Rojo and Hernadez not coming to Saints has got nothing to do with our perceived lack of ambition; its got everything to with our salary structure compared to the teams they will join.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the note Chipmonk, I was about to put on anote like this . Boys, boys, boys We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do. If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match. He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice. Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.[/p][/quote]Long is Ron's first choice? What four days before we kick off? I imagine we're on our fourth or fifth choice by now.[/p][/quote]So, the view is that our Manager is a monkey and Les Reed will buy any old rubbish. Why??????????? I am accused of being naïve. Can't deny it. I have an innate trust in people and I have rarely been let down. Anyone thinking that Ronzo would come to us and play 2nd. Fiddle to an incompetent useless Board member is certainly not naïve like me. He is, however allowing his judgement be overruled by his anxiety. I am just as concerned about what the new season is going to bring as the next man, but the Team and the Manager start the new season with my support, goodwill and maybe a few prayers to the footballing Gods[/p][/quote]Our manager has been as let down by the board as we have. The board sold 5, yes that's 5, top players and this is all the result of that. The Hernandez's and Rojo's of this world don't want to come to us as they see no ambition but the Long's see us as a step up and Hull see the chance to grab some money from a desperate cash rich club. It's not difficult Graham.[/p][/quote]Rojo and Hernadez not coming to Saints has got nothing to do with our perceived lack of ambition; its got everything to with our salary structure compared to the teams they will join. Churchill Saint
  • Score: 4

11:07am Wed 13 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

all this has done is prove to me that some people will moan no mater what the club do.
this is a `panic buy`? just a couple of days after we sign forster for £10mill which isn't a panic buy, or a day after we are told that Gardos will be joining, again that's `good news` and not a `panic buy`. so when does a purchase become a `panic buy`? (there is also over 2 weeks of the window left)
if we signed a striker from Italy on deadline day for £25mill, would that be a `panic buy`?
its got `les reed written all over it`? so did forster have les reed written all over it? what about the other players we have signed? or is it just players you don't want here, that you think are `beneath us`? do you really believe that Ronnie would have absolutely no input in who we sign? yes spuds did it last season but we aren't spuds!
it shows `no ambition`? but the forster signing did show ambition didn't it?
players like rojo wont join because we were `too slow` and have `no ambition`? that would be ok if it wasn't for the fact that we met sportings figure at least twice, which they then upped. he also showed no interest in leaving whilst we were bidding, but as soon as manure show interest he slaps in a transfer request quicker than you can say `big 4` and asks to go there!
I`d rather we brought ings! a player who hasn't done anything in the prem yet. yes he may be a good prospect but he might flop. the main reason people want ings is because he is a local lad and a fan!
we want players with prem experience, hasn't long got that?
we need signings now, spend spend spend. well we look to be bringing in long and spending like you wanted and now that's wrong? cant please some people!
we have had a summer of misery from some fans on here with some telling us the board are inept and are just `asset stripping`, I see that theory has gone out of the window! we have spent nearly £30mill on 3 players, we have brought in 2 good quality players on a season long loan, with an option to make them permanent, we are looking at spending a further £18mill+ on 2 further signings. that's a total of £48mill (if gardos and long join), does spending £48mill, with maybe more to come, show lack of ambition? does it show that they are `asset stripping`? get a grip!
long may not be the best player in the world, I`m certainly no fan, but what the club are trying to do is build a squad not just a team! everyone knows we had a very small squad last season, and it cost us. some players have left and more have come in/ are coming in. we were very weak in attack last season, weaker than defence, so the club have brought in some good attacking options. I think osprey might be right and long is coming to challenge j-rod when hes fit. defensively if gardos joins that leaves us the same as we were last season, I still think Yoshi is a good player and could do a job if needed. another CB wouldn't go amiss though.
all this has done is prove to me that some people will moan no mater what the club do. this is a `panic buy`? just a couple of days after we sign forster for £10mill which isn't a panic buy, or a day after we are told that Gardos will be joining, again that's `good news` and not a `panic buy`. so when does a purchase become a `panic buy`? (there is also over 2 weeks of the window left) if we signed a striker from Italy on deadline day for £25mill, would that be a `panic buy`? its got `les reed written all over it`? so did forster have les reed written all over it? what about the other players we have signed? or is it just players you don't want here, that you think are `beneath us`? do you really believe that Ronnie would have absolutely no input in who we sign? yes spuds did it last season but we aren't spuds! it shows `no ambition`? but the forster signing did show ambition didn't it? players like rojo wont join because we were `too slow` and have `no ambition`? that would be ok if it wasn't for the fact that we met sportings figure at least twice, which they then upped. he also showed no interest in leaving whilst we were bidding, but as soon as manure show interest he slaps in a transfer request quicker than you can say `big 4` and asks to go there! I`d rather we brought ings! a player who hasn't done anything in the prem yet. yes he may be a good prospect but he might flop. the main reason people want ings is because he is a local lad and a fan! we want players with prem experience, hasn't long got that? we need signings now, spend spend spend. well we look to be bringing in long and spending like you wanted and now that's wrong? cant please some people! we have had a summer of misery from some fans on here with some telling us the board are inept and are just `asset stripping`, I see that theory has gone out of the window! we have spent nearly £30mill on 3 players, we have brought in 2 good quality players on a season long loan, with an option to make them permanent, we are looking at spending a further £18mill+ on 2 further signings. that's a total of £48mill (if gardos and long join), does spending £48mill, with maybe more to come, show lack of ambition? does it show that they are `asset stripping`? get a grip! long may not be the best player in the world, I`m certainly no fan, but what the club are trying to do is build a squad not just a team! everyone knows we had a very small squad last season, and it cost us. some players have left and more have come in/ are coming in. we were very weak in attack last season, weaker than defence, so the club have brought in some good attacking options. I think osprey might be right and long is coming to challenge j-rod when hes fit. defensively if gardos joins that leaves us the same as we were last season, I still think Yoshi is a good player and could do a job if needed. another CB wouldn't go amiss though. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 3

11:09am Wed 13 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Churchill Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.
Thanks for the note Chipmonk,

I was about to put on anote like this .

Boys, boys, boys

We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do.

If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match.

He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice.

Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.
Long is Ron's first choice? What four days before we kick off? I imagine we're on our fourth or fifth choice by now.
So, the view is that our Manager is a monkey and Les Reed will buy any old rubbish. Why???????????

I am accused of being naïve. Can't deny it. I have an innate trust in people and I have rarely been let down.

Anyone thinking that Ronzo would come to us and play 2nd. Fiddle to an incompetent useless Board member is certainly not naïve like me. He is, however allowing his judgement be overruled by his anxiety.

I am just as concerned about what the new season is going to bring as the next man, but the Team and the Manager start the new season with my support, goodwill and maybe a few prayers to the footballing Gods
Our manager has been as let down by the board as we have. The board sold 5, yes that's 5, top players and this is all the result of that. The Hernandez's and Rojo's of this world don't want to come to us as they see no ambition but the Long's see us as a step up and Hull see the chance to grab some money from a desperate cash rich club. It's not difficult Graham.
Rojo and Hernadez not coming to Saints has got nothing to do with our perceived lack of ambition; its got everything to with our salary structure compared to the teams they will join.
Agree. Hernandez will probably end up in Greece or Italy for the lifestyle - playing football is probably not his priority - anyone who prioritises money and medals over playing has got to be dubious.

If he joins us, I'll change my opinion, provided he has the right attitude and does the business.

It's an interesting one. For instance Lukaku. Jose says he has an attitude problem for not having the heart to fight for a position, while some would say it shows a lot more heart to give up guaranteed medals and a bit-part role for regular first team football but less success.

And, on the Rojo issue. Two years back we missed out on Buttner to Man Utd and were all gutted we didn't rush the deal through.

As a result we brought Luke Shaw through when otherwise he would barely have had a chance. We sold him for around £30M while Buttner has been shipped out for not making the grade. His replacement? Luke Shaw.

So, maybe missing out on the odd player isn't the end of the world.
[quote][p][bold]Churchill Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am slightly ashamed of being a Saints supporter reading some of the vitriol aimed at a possible future Saint and the board on here. Saints targetted Long last summer but got Osvaldo instead as first choice. Nice work Cortese. This summer we targeted Hernandez but his ego got in the way and frankly I don't want anyone who thinks they are too good for us anymore. Long was second choice again but I am confident that if signed he will put in a shift everytime and work his socks off. Seriously there are some posters on here that sound as ungrateful and petulent as Man Utd fans. Be grateful we still have a team and a board that give a sh1t enough to bring in new players and invest in the team. It's not that long ago we were selling and not replacing.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the note Chipmonk, I was about to put on anote like this . Boys, boys, boys We either trust our new Manager or we don't. I do. If you think than Ronzo is going to spend £12m on a completely useless, non goal scoring waste of space should simply walk away from the Saints site and never, never go to another match. He may be good, bad or indifferent bUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is that Ronzo wants him as a first choice. Whoever could have predicted the magic that came from a certain lower League player before he proved the Saint's salvation and then moved on to his spiritual homeland in LiverBird.[/p][/quote]Long is Ron's first choice? What four days before we kick off? I imagine we're on our fourth or fifth choice by now.[/p][/quote]So, the view is that our Manager is a monkey and Les Reed will buy any old rubbish. Why??????????? I am accused of being naïve. Can't deny it. I have an innate trust in people and I have rarely been let down. Anyone thinking that Ronzo would come to us and play 2nd. Fiddle to an incompetent useless Board member is certainly not naïve like me. He is, however allowing his judgement be overruled by his anxiety. I am just as concerned about what the new season is going to bring as the next man, but the Team and the Manager start the new season with my support, goodwill and maybe a few prayers to the footballing Gods[/p][/quote]Our manager has been as let down by the board as we have. The board sold 5, yes that's 5, top players and this is all the result of that. The Hernandez's and Rojo's of this world don't want to come to us as they see no ambition but the Long's see us as a step up and Hull see the chance to grab some money from a desperate cash rich club. It's not difficult Graham.[/p][/quote]Rojo and Hernadez not coming to Saints has got nothing to do with our perceived lack of ambition; its got everything to with our salary structure compared to the teams they will join.[/p][/quote]Agree. Hernandez will probably end up in Greece or Italy for the lifestyle - playing football is probably not his priority - anyone who prioritises money and medals over playing has got to be dubious. If he joins us, I'll change my opinion, provided he has the right attitude and does the business. It's an interesting one. For instance Lukaku. Jose says he has an attitude problem for not having the heart to fight for a position, while some would say it shows a lot more heart to give up guaranteed medals and a bit-part role for regular first team football but less success. And, on the Rojo issue. Two years back we missed out on Buttner to Man Utd and were all gutted we didn't rush the deal through. As a result we brought Luke Shaw through when otherwise he would barely have had a chance. We sold him for around £30M while Buttner has been shipped out for not making the grade. His replacement? Luke Shaw. So, maybe missing out on the odd player isn't the end of the world. SaintJD
  • Score: 3

11:18am Wed 13 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
all this has done is prove to me that some people will moan no mater what the club do.
this is a `panic buy`? just a couple of days after we sign forster for £10mill which isn't a panic buy, or a day after we are told that Gardos will be joining, again that's `good news` and not a `panic buy`. so when does a purchase become a `panic buy`? (there is also over 2 weeks of the window left)
if we signed a striker from Italy on deadline day for £25mill, would that be a `panic buy`?
its got `les reed written all over it`? so did forster have les reed written all over it? what about the other players we have signed? or is it just players you don't want here, that you think are `beneath us`? do you really believe that Ronnie would have absolutely no input in who we sign? yes spuds did it last season but we aren't spuds!
it shows `no ambition`? but the forster signing did show ambition didn't it?
players like rojo wont join because we were `too slow` and have `no ambition`? that would be ok if it wasn't for the fact that we met sportings figure at least twice, which they then upped. he also showed no interest in leaving whilst we were bidding, but as soon as manure show interest he slaps in a transfer request quicker than you can say `big 4` and asks to go there!
I`d rather we brought ings! a player who hasn't done anything in the prem yet. yes he may be a good prospect but he might flop. the main reason people want ings is because he is a local lad and a fan!
we want players with prem experience, hasn't long got that?
we need signings now, spend spend spend. well we look to be bringing in long and spending like you wanted and now that's wrong? cant please some people!
we have had a summer of misery from some fans on here with some telling us the board are inept and are just `asset stripping`, I see that theory has gone out of the window! we have spent nearly £30mill on 3 players, we have brought in 2 good quality players on a season long loan, with an option to make them permanent, we are looking at spending a further £18mill+ on 2 further signings. that's a total of £48mill (if gardos and long join), does spending £48mill, with maybe more to come, show lack of ambition? does it show that they are `asset stripping`? get a grip!
long may not be the best player in the world, I`m certainly no fan, but what the club are trying to do is build a squad not just a team! everyone knows we had a very small squad last season, and it cost us. some players have left and more have come in/ are coming in. we were very weak in attack last season, weaker than defence, so the club have brought in some good attacking options. I think osprey might be right and long is coming to challenge j-rod when hes fit. defensively if gardos joins that leaves us the same as we were last season, I still think Yoshi is a good player and could do a job if needed. another CB wouldn't go amiss though.
Indeed. It's brain numbing isn't it?

Firstly, some context. We have just sold four players: Shaw, Lovren, Lallana, Lambert. Two are rumoured to want to leave: Jay Rod, Spider.

Now, fans are up in arms at these guys leaving - and rightly so. And they believe that blooding young players and buying anything other than 'big names' is a sign that we are clueless and lack ambition.

Now let's analyse that situation again:

Lambert, Lallana, Spider, Jay Rod: these are all players from lower leagues that big clubs would not take a punt on. To people outside our club (and many within it) they weren't good enough. Until last season.

Lovren: no Premier League experience at the beginning of last season.

Shaw: untried, young player, a risk.

So why are we so gutted to have lost them and so upset at what's replacing them? They seem to have similar profiles to a lot of the players we're going to be blooding this season.

And, as far as I can remember it, it took Adam and Spider about four or five seasons before people realised they were any good.

Have a bit of patience people, FFS.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: all this has done is prove to me that some people will moan no mater what the club do. this is a `panic buy`? just a couple of days after we sign forster for £10mill which isn't a panic buy, or a day after we are told that Gardos will be joining, again that's `good news` and not a `panic buy`. so when does a purchase become a `panic buy`? (there is also over 2 weeks of the window left) if we signed a striker from Italy on deadline day for £25mill, would that be a `panic buy`? its got `les reed written all over it`? so did forster have les reed written all over it? what about the other players we have signed? or is it just players you don't want here, that you think are `beneath us`? do you really believe that Ronnie would have absolutely no input in who we sign? yes spuds did it last season but we aren't spuds! it shows `no ambition`? but the forster signing did show ambition didn't it? players like rojo wont join because we were `too slow` and have `no ambition`? that would be ok if it wasn't for the fact that we met sportings figure at least twice, which they then upped. he also showed no interest in leaving whilst we were bidding, but as soon as manure show interest he slaps in a transfer request quicker than you can say `big 4` and asks to go there! I`d rather we brought ings! a player who hasn't done anything in the prem yet. yes he may be a good prospect but he might flop. the main reason people want ings is because he is a local lad and a fan! we want players with prem experience, hasn't long got that? we need signings now, spend spend spend. well we look to be bringing in long and spending like you wanted and now that's wrong? cant please some people! we have had a summer of misery from some fans on here with some telling us the board are inept and are just `asset stripping`, I see that theory has gone out of the window! we have spent nearly £30mill on 3 players, we have brought in 2 good quality players on a season long loan, with an option to make them permanent, we are looking at spending a further £18mill+ on 2 further signings. that's a total of £48mill (if gardos and long join), does spending £48mill, with maybe more to come, show lack of ambition? does it show that they are `asset stripping`? get a grip! long may not be the best player in the world, I`m certainly no fan, but what the club are trying to do is build a squad not just a team! everyone knows we had a very small squad last season, and it cost us. some players have left and more have come in/ are coming in. we were very weak in attack last season, weaker than defence, so the club have brought in some good attacking options. I think osprey might be right and long is coming to challenge j-rod when hes fit. defensively if gardos joins that leaves us the same as we were last season, I still think Yoshi is a good player and could do a job if needed. another CB wouldn't go amiss though.[/p][/quote]Indeed. It's brain numbing isn't it? Firstly, some context. We have just sold four players: Shaw, Lovren, Lallana, Lambert. Two are rumoured to want to leave: Jay Rod, Spider. Now, fans are up in arms at these guys leaving - and rightly so. And they believe that blooding young players and buying anything other than 'big names' is a sign that we are clueless and lack ambition. Now let's analyse that situation again: Lambert, Lallana, Spider, Jay Rod: these are all players from lower leagues that big clubs would not take a punt on. To people outside our club (and many within it) they weren't good enough. Until last season. Lovren: no Premier League experience at the beginning of last season. Shaw: untried, young player, a risk. So why are we so gutted to have lost them and so upset at what's replacing them? They seem to have similar profiles to a lot of the players we're going to be blooding this season. And, as far as I can remember it, it took Adam and Spider about four or five seasons before people realised they were any good. Have a bit of patience people, FFS. SaintJD
  • Score: 5

11:22am Wed 13 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Wembley76 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester





/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.
And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums.

Here's another reality check.

Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs.
Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?".
Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle.
Spot on Costa. We suffer from being a provincial club with fans who have big city ambitions and don't understand the realities of life.
Totally agree with Costa, some of our fans' have lost sight of reality...Ron is to be trusted, and he has a great track record of re-building teams (from the mess left behind by Cortese and MoPo - and an arrogant set of young 'starlets') Most teams below 8th will be eyeing us with 'envy' and 'trepidation', at the quality of our manager, the resources to build a strong squad and excellent youth coming through...getting better all the time'....'reasons to be cheerful'!!
Couldn't agree more
[quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.[/p][/quote]And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums. Here's another reality check. Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs. Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?". Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle.[/p][/quote]Spot on Costa. We suffer from being a provincial club with fans who have big city ambitions and don't understand the realities of life.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with Costa, some of our fans' have lost sight of reality...Ron is to be trusted, and he has a great track record of re-building teams (from the mess left behind by Cortese and MoPo - and an arrogant set of young 'starlets') Most teams below 8th will be eyeing us with 'envy' and 'trepidation', at the quality of our manager, the resources to build a strong squad and excellent youth coming through...getting better all the time'....'reasons to be cheerful'!![/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more fascia123
  • Score: 1

11:24am Wed 13 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

SaintJD wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
all this has done is prove to me that some people will moan no mater what the club do.
this is a `panic buy`? just a couple of days after we sign forster for £10mill which isn't a panic buy, or a day after we are told that Gardos will be joining, again that's `good news` and not a `panic buy`. so when does a purchase become a `panic buy`? (there is also over 2 weeks of the window left)
if we signed a striker from Italy on deadline day for £25mill, would that be a `panic buy`?
its got `les reed written all over it`? so did forster have les reed written all over it? what about the other players we have signed? or is it just players you don't want here, that you think are `beneath us`? do you really believe that Ronnie would have absolutely no input in who we sign? yes spuds did it last season but we aren't spuds!
it shows `no ambition`? but the forster signing did show ambition didn't it?
players like rojo wont join because we were `too slow` and have `no ambition`? that would be ok if it wasn't for the fact that we met sportings figure at least twice, which they then upped. he also showed no interest in leaving whilst we were bidding, but as soon as manure show interest he slaps in a transfer request quicker than you can say `big 4` and asks to go there!
I`d rather we brought ings! a player who hasn't done anything in the prem yet. yes he may be a good prospect but he might flop. the main reason people want ings is because he is a local lad and a fan!
we want players with prem experience, hasn't long got that?
we need signings now, spend spend spend. well we look to be bringing in long and spending like you wanted and now that's wrong? cant please some people!
we have had a summer of misery from some fans on here with some telling us the board are inept and are just `asset stripping`, I see that theory has gone out of the window! we have spent nearly £30mill on 3 players, we have brought in 2 good quality players on a season long loan, with an option to make them permanent, we are looking at spending a further £18mill+ on 2 further signings. that's a total of £48mill (if gardos and long join), does spending £48mill, with maybe more to come, show lack of ambition? does it show that they are `asset stripping`? get a grip!
long may not be the best player in the world, I`m certainly no fan, but what the club are trying to do is build a squad not just a team! everyone knows we had a very small squad last season, and it cost us. some players have left and more have come in/ are coming in. we were very weak in attack last season, weaker than defence, so the club have brought in some good attacking options. I think osprey might be right and long is coming to challenge j-rod when hes fit. defensively if gardos joins that leaves us the same as we were last season, I still think Yoshi is a good player and could do a job if needed. another CB wouldn't go amiss though.
Indeed. It's brain numbing isn't it?

Firstly, some context. We have just sold four players: Shaw, Lovren, Lallana, Lambert. Two are rumoured to want to leave: Jay Rod, Spider.

Now, fans are up in arms at these guys leaving - and rightly so. And they believe that blooding young players and buying anything other than 'big names' is a sign that we are clueless and lack ambition.

Now let's analyse that situation again:

Lambert, Lallana, Spider, Jay Rod: these are all players from lower leagues that big clubs would not take a punt on. To people outside our club (and many within it) they weren't good enough. Until last season.

Lovren: no Premier League experience at the beginning of last season.

Shaw: untried, young player, a risk.

So why are we so gutted to have lost them and so upset at what's replacing them? They seem to have similar profiles to a lot of the players we're going to be blooding this season.

And, as far as I can remember it, it took Adam and Spider about four or five seasons before people realised they were any good.

Have a bit of patience people, FFS.
I always rated Shane Long, even when he was at Reading, so although we have paid slightly over the odds for him, I can see him turning into a natural replacement for Ricky Lambert.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: all this has done is prove to me that some people will moan no mater what the club do. this is a `panic buy`? just a couple of days after we sign forster for £10mill which isn't a panic buy, or a day after we are told that Gardos will be joining, again that's `good news` and not a `panic buy`. so when does a purchase become a `panic buy`? (there is also over 2 weeks of the window left) if we signed a striker from Italy on deadline day for £25mill, would that be a `panic buy`? its got `les reed written all over it`? so did forster have les reed written all over it? what about the other players we have signed? or is it just players you don't want here, that you think are `beneath us`? do you really believe that Ronnie would have absolutely no input in who we sign? yes spuds did it last season but we aren't spuds! it shows `no ambition`? but the forster signing did show ambition didn't it? players like rojo wont join because we were `too slow` and have `no ambition`? that would be ok if it wasn't for the fact that we met sportings figure at least twice, which they then upped. he also showed no interest in leaving whilst we were bidding, but as soon as manure show interest he slaps in a transfer request quicker than you can say `big 4` and asks to go there! I`d rather we brought ings! a player who hasn't done anything in the prem yet. yes he may be a good prospect but he might flop. the main reason people want ings is because he is a local lad and a fan! we want players with prem experience, hasn't long got that? we need signings now, spend spend spend. well we look to be bringing in long and spending like you wanted and now that's wrong? cant please some people! we have had a summer of misery from some fans on here with some telling us the board are inept and are just `asset stripping`, I see that theory has gone out of the window! we have spent nearly £30mill on 3 players, we have brought in 2 good quality players on a season long loan, with an option to make them permanent, we are looking at spending a further £18mill+ on 2 further signings. that's a total of £48mill (if gardos and long join), does spending £48mill, with maybe more to come, show lack of ambition? does it show that they are `asset stripping`? get a grip! long may not be the best player in the world, I`m certainly no fan, but what the club are trying to do is build a squad not just a team! everyone knows we had a very small squad last season, and it cost us. some players have left and more have come in/ are coming in. we were very weak in attack last season, weaker than defence, so the club have brought in some good attacking options. I think osprey might be right and long is coming to challenge j-rod when hes fit. defensively if gardos joins that leaves us the same as we were last season, I still think Yoshi is a good player and could do a job if needed. another CB wouldn't go amiss though.[/p][/quote]Indeed. It's brain numbing isn't it? Firstly, some context. We have just sold four players: Shaw, Lovren, Lallana, Lambert. Two are rumoured to want to leave: Jay Rod, Spider. Now, fans are up in arms at these guys leaving - and rightly so. And they believe that blooding young players and buying anything other than 'big names' is a sign that we are clueless and lack ambition. Now let's analyse that situation again: Lambert, Lallana, Spider, Jay Rod: these are all players from lower leagues that big clubs would not take a punt on. To people outside our club (and many within it) they weren't good enough. Until last season. Lovren: no Premier League experience at the beginning of last season. Shaw: untried, young player, a risk. So why are we so gutted to have lost them and so upset at what's replacing them? They seem to have similar profiles to a lot of the players we're going to be blooding this season. And, as far as I can remember it, it took Adam and Spider about four or five seasons before people realised they were any good. Have a bit of patience people, FFS.[/p][/quote]I always rated Shane Long, even when he was at Reading, so although we have paid slightly over the odds for him, I can see him turning into a natural replacement for Ricky Lambert. echo1948
  • Score: 0

11:24am Wed 13 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

SaintJD wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
george chivers wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Bassett Boy wrote:
Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod?
Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him!
Also I am sure the same reaction came when JRod was signed, now everyone loves the guy.
JRod was five years younger with a better goals per games ratio and quicker off the mark. Ormerod worked very hard and I loved him as well for his work rate, but actually he lacked pace to get on the end of passes. Did he score that many goals? He gave the impression he was flying along but wasn't that quick. But gave it everything.

I think we need somebody who scores more goals than Shane Long. One in four is not good enough.
A better goals ratio in the championship, his goal ratio in the premiership is about 1 in 3, Shane Longs is about 1 in 4, not a big difference really.
With all due respect, Long is about five times better than Brett Ormerod. He's actually a pretty talented footballer.
And works his socks off
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Boy[/bold] wrote: Remember a few seasons back, we had a 'striker' called Brett Ormerod? Didn't score a lot of goals but worked his socks off and we loved him![/p][/quote]Also I am sure the same reaction came when JRod was signed, now everyone loves the guy.[/p][/quote]JRod was five years younger with a better goals per games ratio and quicker off the mark. Ormerod worked very hard and I loved him as well for his work rate, but actually he lacked pace to get on the end of passes. Did he score that many goals? He gave the impression he was flying along but wasn't that quick. But gave it everything. I think we need somebody who scores more goals than Shane Long. One in four is not good enough.[/p][/quote]A better goals ratio in the championship, his goal ratio in the premiership is about 1 in 3, Shane Longs is about 1 in 4, not a big difference really.[/p][/quote]With all due respect, Long is about five times better than Brett Ormerod. He's actually a pretty talented footballer.[/p][/quote]And works his socks off fascia123
  • Score: 1

11:26am Wed 13 Aug 14

Glenn Cockerill says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Last summer we struggled to persuade top players to come here despite the fact we were going well. The new board seem unaware of that and now the result of them selling our best players before securing their replacements is that the good ones don't want to come here and clubs are fleecing us for the mediocre ones who do. All highly predictable and a tragedy. If we had kept our squad together the likes of Rojo and Hernandez may well have come. They and Forster would have been the missing three to push on.
Very much agree Seed. Good shout.
Also, if Long does come to Saints, I for one would like to wish him 'all the best'. He's a top lad by all accounts and will always put a shift in. Who knows, with a better side around him he may score a few more!!
UTS!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Last summer we struggled to persuade top players to come here despite the fact we were going well. The new board seem unaware of that and now the result of them selling our best players before securing their replacements is that the good ones don't want to come here and clubs are fleecing us for the mediocre ones who do. All highly predictable and a tragedy. If we had kept our squad together the likes of Rojo and Hernandez may well have come. They and Forster would have been the missing three to push on.[/p][/quote]Very much agree Seed. Good shout. Also, if Long does come to Saints, I for one would like to wish him 'all the best'. He's a top lad by all accounts and will always put a shift in. Who knows, with a better side around him he may score a few more!! UTS! Glenn Cockerill
  • Score: -1

12:24pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Costa Baz says...

Saint Clements wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester




/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.
And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums.

Here's another reality check.

Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs.
Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?".
Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle.
Baz, you make good arguments. But isn't the point of progression that you should continue getting better - in our case that we should be able to buy better players this summer than we did last, because this summer we entered the transfer window with the league's most exciting young squad and a genuine chance of pushing top-six status?

That's why I'm so frustrated - this summer felt like our chance to to merely survive, but to thrive.

Every Saints fan on here is a proper fan - why else would we all bothe voicing our opinions?

For what it's worth, mine is that I will never be happy seeing the club I've loved for 33 years languishing in the mid-table position.
Totally agree, that to progress you need to improve the squad, but IMO the odds are stacked against teams like us.

Keeping hold of our best players will always be a challenge, because we do not generate enough money to pay the top wages.
Nor do we generate enough money to stock pile top players, in the same way the top 4 clubs do, before loaning them out to teams so they can take points off of their challengers.

This summer has been frustrating, but I would be very surprised if we, or any club, has a similar summer in the future.
The Cortese/Pochettino alliance, and departures, with their combined influences over the players, have created the footballing equivalent of the "perfect storm".

Achieving a regular mid-table position, is probably the best we can hope for, until we can start generating enough money to allow us to compete on a level playing field with the clubs at the top.
[quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.[/p][/quote]And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums. Here's another reality check. Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs. Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?". Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle.[/p][/quote]Baz, you make good arguments. But isn't the point of progression that you should continue getting better - in our case that we should be able to buy better players this summer than we did last, because this summer we entered the transfer window with the league's most exciting young squad and a genuine chance of pushing top-six status? That's why I'm so frustrated - this summer felt like our chance to to merely survive, but to thrive. Every Saints fan on here is a proper fan - why else would we all bothe voicing our opinions? For what it's worth, mine is that I will never be happy seeing the club I've loved for 33 years languishing in the mid-table position.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, that to progress you need to improve the squad, but IMO the odds are stacked against teams like us. Keeping hold of our best players will always be a challenge, because we do not generate enough money to pay the top wages. Nor do we generate enough money to stock pile top players, in the same way the top 4 clubs do, before loaning them out to teams so they can take points off of their challengers. This summer has been frustrating, but I would be very surprised if we, or any club, has a similar summer in the future. The Cortese/Pochettino alliance, and departures, with their combined influences over the players, have created the footballing equivalent of the "perfect storm". Achieving a regular mid-table position, is probably the best we can hope for, until we can start generating enough money to allow us to compete on a level playing field with the clubs at the top. Costa Baz
  • Score: 0

12:51pm Wed 13 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

So what formation is Ron going to settle on this season? Personnel wise I would have thought we were gearing up to be more of a 4,3,3 or variation of that, but the Long signing (at least with the price suggesting he is being bought as a starter) would suggest more of a two up top with one playing off the central striker?

I still don't think we've got the personnel to play two conventional wingers as such and we don't have the bodies for three at the back.

I ask because I'd have seen Gaston/Tadic/J-Rod/L
ong and Taider as wide players in a front three or players behind the striker. I don't see them as being best used as out and out strikers, hugging the touchlines or in conventional centre midfield, where we need steel.

I still don't see that we've got a viable Pelle alternative in terms of your out and out target man.

My guess then:

Pelle
Tadic and Long
JWP, Wanyama and Spider
Obvious back four
Forster

or is it:

Pelle, Long
Tadic/Gaston, JWP/Cork, Wanyama/Spider, Taider/Isgrove
Back four
Forster

Whatever way you look at it, the midfield options are as we know pretty varied and strong. Still need another monster quality target man.
So what formation is Ron going to settle on this season? Personnel wise I would have thought we were gearing up to be more of a 4,3,3 or variation of that, but the Long signing (at least with the price suggesting he is being bought as a starter) would suggest more of a two up top with one playing off the central striker? I still don't think we've got the personnel to play two conventional wingers as such and we don't have the bodies for three at the back. I ask because I'd have seen Gaston/Tadic/J-Rod/L ong and Taider as wide players in a front three or players behind the striker. I don't see them as being best used as out and out strikers, hugging the touchlines or in conventional centre midfield, where we need steel. I still don't see that we've got a viable Pelle alternative in terms of your out and out target man. My guess then: Pelle Tadic and Long JWP, Wanyama and Spider Obvious back four Forster or is it: Pelle, Long Tadic/Gaston, JWP/Cork, Wanyama/Spider, Taider/Isgrove Back four Forster Whatever way you look at it, the midfield options are as we know pretty varied and strong. Still need another monster quality target man. SaintJD
  • Score: -1

1:26pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Beer Monster says...

lowe esteem wrote:
There are a lot of Dream Team analysts on here again.
I want...I don't want...blah blah.

Well, this serves to remind us of the blatantly stupid manoeuvres that started unnecessarily with Sir Ricky Lambert, as I said at the time.
SOUTHAMPTON Football Club have contributed markedly to this currently inflated market place. We should have been looking to add goals to our team, and we sold our soul along with our goals, no argument.
You OPTI's and PESSI's had better join us Fence Sitter's and pray that RK is buying the right players to fit the team plan.
Generally speaking, that one 'marquee /glamour' signing won't work, so you'd better start trusting and pinning your hopes on *Koemans Acumen*, and that he's getting the right pieces together on the field of play.

(*You can use this if you like Daily Echo, but tell the paper boy not to miss my free Saturday edition, I always enjoy this edition most, as it seems to carry the most errors in spelling, grammar and detail -with the notable exception of Lawrie Mac.)
Funny you should say that, I've just transferred Long into my dream team, which will give him three starts out of the past four seasons in there. Sir Lambert has been dropped...

Call me a happy clapper if you want, but I'm Southampton through and through.
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: There are a lot of Dream Team analysts on here again. I want...I don't want...blah blah. Well, this serves to remind us of the blatantly stupid manoeuvres that started unnecessarily with Sir Ricky Lambert, as I said at the time. SOUTHAMPTON Football Club have contributed markedly to this currently inflated market place. We should have been looking to add goals to our team, and we sold our soul along with our goals, no argument. You OPTI's and PESSI's had better join us Fence Sitter's and pray that RK is buying the right players to fit the team plan. Generally speaking, that one 'marquee /glamour' signing won't work, so you'd better start trusting and pinning your hopes on *Koemans Acumen*, and that he's getting the right pieces together on the field of play. (*You can use this if you like Daily Echo, but tell the paper boy not to miss my free Saturday edition, I always enjoy this edition most, as it seems to carry the most errors in spelling, grammar and detail -with the notable exception of Lawrie Mac.)[/p][/quote]Funny you should say that, I've just transferred Long into my dream team, which will give him three starts out of the past four seasons in there. Sir Lambert has been dropped... Call me a happy clapper if you want, but I'm Southampton through and through. Beer Monster
  • Score: 0

2:08pm Wed 13 Aug 14

nomorerumours says...

pitbull wrote:
It was a bit of a shock for me to see we're after Shane Long and the price does seem a bit high but if he does sign, I think he'll do a decent job for us.

There are a few strikers around that when I see their name on the opponents team sheet, I roll my eye's and think he'll cause us problems, Shane Long was one of them.

Sometimes there are players who have some great ability but just don't quite hit the heights, who need to find a team that fits THEM, hopefully The Saints and Shane Long will be a perfect match.

We could also sign Stern John and David Silva, now that would be a great forward line.
I'll let you work it out.
As long as they can have the use of both of their legs, unlike LJS!
[quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: It was a bit of a shock for me to see we're after Shane Long and the price does seem a bit high but if he does sign, I think he'll do a decent job for us. There are a few strikers around that when I see their name on the opponents team sheet, I roll my eye's and think he'll cause us problems, Shane Long was one of them. Sometimes there are players who have some great ability but just don't quite hit the heights, who need to find a team that fits THEM, hopefully The Saints and Shane Long will be a perfect match. We could also sign Stern John and David Silva, now that would be a great forward line. I'll let you work it out.[/p][/quote]As long as they can have the use of both of their legs, unlike LJS! nomorerumours
  • Score: 1

3:42pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

bstokesaint wrote:
Whilst I feel that £12m is probably twice the price that an out-of-form Shane Long is currently worth, I always ask myself the question at times like this how have I felt when the player in question played against us? And the truth is I have always considered Long to be a menace in and around the box and feared he'd score against us, as he has done. He reminds me a bit of Kevin Phillips, a niggly little player with an eye for goal, if he gets the service. He's different from some of our other options and I can see why the manager might see his appeal. What's more we got about £12m more for Lallana than he was worth so why not take a punt? I'm sure some posters on here would rather we had got Hernandez, but then if he wants to play in Europe, you can't exactly hold a gun to his head and make him join you. If Long signs give the lad a chance for god's sake.
Good shout Bstoke,a lot of truth in what you say,and if he plays,I wouldn't mind betting he scores at Anfield on Sunday,then lifts his shirt up,displaying the words "That one's for u,One in the Crowd!".
[quote][p][bold]bstokesaint[/bold] wrote: Whilst I feel that £12m is probably twice the price that an out-of-form Shane Long is currently worth, I always ask myself the question at times like this how have I felt when the player in question played against us? And the truth is I have always considered Long to be a menace in and around the box and feared he'd score against us, as he has done. He reminds me a bit of Kevin Phillips, a niggly little player with an eye for goal, if he gets the service. He's different from some of our other options and I can see why the manager might see his appeal. What's more we got about £12m more for Lallana than he was worth so why not take a punt? I'm sure some posters on here would rather we had got Hernandez, but then if he wants to play in Europe, you can't exactly hold a gun to his head and make him join you. If Long signs give the lad a chance for god's sake.[/p][/quote]Good shout Bstoke,a lot of truth in what you say,and if he plays,I wouldn't mind betting he scores at Anfield on Sunday,then lifts his shirt up,displaying the words "That one's for u,One in the Crowd!". Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

3:45pm Wed 13 Aug 14

DisplacedFan says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester





/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.
And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums.

Here's another reality check.

Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs.
Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?".
Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle.
Baz, you make good arguments. But isn't the point of progression that you should continue getting better - in our case that we should be able to buy better players this summer than we did last, because this summer we entered the transfer window with the league's most exciting young squad and a genuine chance of pushing top-six status?

That's why I'm so frustrated - this summer felt like our chance to to merely survive, but to thrive.

Every Saints fan on here is a proper fan - why else would we all bothe voicing our opinions?

For what it's worth, mine is that I will never be happy seeing the club I've loved for 33 years languishing in the mid-table position.
Totally agree, that to progress you need to improve the squad, but IMO the odds are stacked against teams like us.

Keeping hold of our best players will always be a challenge, because we do not generate enough money to pay the top wages.
Nor do we generate enough money to stock pile top players, in the same way the top 4 clubs do, before loaning them out to teams so they can take points off of their challengers.

This summer has been frustrating, but I would be very surprised if we, or any club, has a similar summer in the future.
The Cortese/Pochettino alliance, and departures, with their combined influences over the players, have created the footballing equivalent of the "perfect storm".

Achieving a regular mid-table position, is probably the best we can hope for, until we can start generating enough money to allow us to compete on a level playing field with the clubs at the top.
As I have said this is a building year, not a year to improve
on last year. Will be interesting to see if RKs tactics allow us more opportunities.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]I hope the Board have more ambition than you do.[/p][/quote]And I hope they have more common sense than the average poster, on forums. Here's another reality check. Even Cortese, with his dreams, drive and ambition, couldn't bring players to the club, that were being courted by the top clubs. Even Cortese had to take a punt, on bringing in "lesser" players, such as Lovren, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Ramirez, players that the fans were also asking, at the time "who?". Only one of them has been a resounding success, one a complete disaster and the other two have split the fans down the middle.[/p][/quote]Baz, you make good arguments. But isn't the point of progression that you should continue getting better - in our case that we should be able to buy better players this summer than we did last, because this summer we entered the transfer window with the league's most exciting young squad and a genuine chance of pushing top-six status? That's why I'm so frustrated - this summer felt like our chance to to merely survive, but to thrive. Every Saints fan on here is a proper fan - why else would we all bothe voicing our opinions? For what it's worth, mine is that I will never be happy seeing the club I've loved for 33 years languishing in the mid-table position.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, that to progress you need to improve the squad, but IMO the odds are stacked against teams like us. Keeping hold of our best players will always be a challenge, because we do not generate enough money to pay the top wages. Nor do we generate enough money to stock pile top players, in the same way the top 4 clubs do, before loaning them out to teams so they can take points off of their challengers. This summer has been frustrating, but I would be very surprised if we, or any club, has a similar summer in the future. The Cortese/Pochettino alliance, and departures, with their combined influences over the players, have created the footballing equivalent of the "perfect storm". Achieving a regular mid-table position, is probably the best we can hope for, until we can start generating enough money to allow us to compete on a level playing field with the clubs at the top.[/p][/quote]As I have said this is a building year, not a year to improve on last year. Will be interesting to see if RKs tactics allow us more opportunities. DisplacedFan
  • Score: 0

3:58pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity.

So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs?

In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is.
Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis.

Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer.

If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester







/London etc.

Reality check needed by so many.
This is an extremely insightful comment. I don't think it's even about the board, but player's perceptions of our club. RoKo has already said he enjoyed the challenge of re-building every year in Holland so I think this is probably how we will run from now on. The only thing I don't quite understand is that Everton have held onto everybody and built upon that - I guess managerial stability had a lot to do with that.
More likely higher wages and European football than managerial stability.
Fair point. How do we break the cycle? That is the question. It would appear we have the funds if necessary - do we put down plans for a new or expansion of the current stadium? Bite the bullet with wages? Can we even do that under FFP?

It's heart-braking as a fan as we all want to remain positive but we can see the quality out has not been matched by quality in yet and I do fear for our back four on Sunday at the moment.
I can't see us expanding St Mary's as we only sold out four home games last season, I honestly don't know the answer to breaking the cycle, As for Sunday and our back four we will just have to try and score more goals than Liverpool, sounds simple doesn't it.
I have been at the çrse on a wednesday night in the late 80's and there were 27.000 next week they had 46.000….I have been at Stamford bridge same era when Chelsea played us and had 9000 yes 9000 and 2000 were us..in the same season they had gates over 50.000.

These clubs have had time to eveolve and create the fan base and when called upon fill the stadium… we have to build the stadium up, it is the failure of Lowe not to go for 420000 at the time that is giving us problems now..how much longer must we wait..
It's too late now. Football is in decline for younger people. They don't play he game like they used to and have too many cheaper technological alternatives in terms of entertainment. If we had an accessible 42,000 seater stadium we wouldn't fill it. It's too expensive to buy the tickets for ordinary people, especially if they have a mortgage and kids. It's fine for the grey generation or high flying rich kids, but for people below the average wage, its the telly at home, or in the pub, if they want to watch football.

These threads have a disproportionate number of greys who go to games and a lack of younger supporters coming through. When people who are in their forties now start to draw their diluted pensions they won't be spending fortunes on going to football matches. The Boomer bubble will have burst. But the cost of stadiums will have gone up and the number season ticket holders will have gone down. Except for the big brand clubs who will still be out there on their own, kept alive by the strength of their brand and a new generation of investor trillionaires.

For clubs like ours to do well the Big City teams in Europe need leave their domestic leagues and form a European League, so giving the rest of us a chance to build decent low cost teams with good support in our own countries. But even then the stadiums won't be any bigger even if the population has increased. Right now we are at the top of the curve, it won't go on forever.
I was young..when I left home,an' I been out a ramblin' round.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Stopped reading the comments, after the first few, as they were full of the usual negativity. So, when did Saints fans become so arrogant that no player is considered good enough, unless he is being chased by the top 6 clubs? In reality, we cannot offer the best players enough money, we cannot guarantee them European competition, nor can we promise them we will win a trophy, simply because the club is what it is. Southampton FC is a mid table team that will occasionally punch above it's weight, and then be stripped bare of it's prized assets, by clubs that can offer all of the above, on a regular basis. Had last season's management taken the FA Cup more seriously, we could have been trying to attract players on the back of a cup final, or even a cup win, but that opportunity was thrown away, by a manager who had, in all probability, decided he was leaving in the summer. If, between now and the end of August, we do land a player that is being considered by a top 6 club, it will, IMO, be because the big club has decided not to pursue him and he will be looking to use us as a chance to prove himself, in the Premier League, before losing his head in Liverpool/Manchester /London etc. Reality check needed by so many.[/p][/quote]This is an extremely insightful comment. I don't think it's even about the board, but player's perceptions of our club. RoKo has already said he enjoyed the challenge of re-building every year in Holland so I think this is probably how we will run from now on. The only thing I don't quite understand is that Everton have held onto everybody and built upon that - I guess managerial stability had a lot to do with that.[/p][/quote]More likely higher wages and European football than managerial stability.[/p][/quote]Fair point. How do we break the cycle? That is the question. It would appear we have the funds if necessary - do we put down plans for a new or expansion of the current stadium? Bite the bullet with wages? Can we even do that under FFP? It's heart-braking as a fan as we all want to remain positive but we can see the quality out has not been matched by quality in yet and I do fear for our back four on Sunday at the moment.[/p][/quote]I can't see us expanding St Mary's as we only sold out four home games last season, I honestly don't know the answer to breaking the cycle, As for Sunday and our back four we will just have to try and score more goals than Liverpool, sounds simple doesn't it.[/p][/quote]I have been at the çrse on a wednesday night in the late 80's and there were 27.000 next week they had 46.000….I have been at Stamford bridge same era when Chelsea played us and had 9000 yes 9000 and 2000 were us..in the same season they had gates over 50.000. These clubs have had time to eveolve and create the fan base and when called upon fill the stadium… we have to build the stadium up, it is the failure of Lowe not to go for 420000 at the time that is giving us problems now..how much longer must we wait..[/p][/quote]It's too late now. Football is in decline for younger people. They don't play he game like they used to and have too many cheaper technological alternatives in terms of entertainment. If we had an accessible 42,000 seater stadium we wouldn't fill it. It's too expensive to buy the tickets for ordinary people, especially if they have a mortgage and kids. It's fine for the grey generation or high flying rich kids, but for people below the average wage, its the telly at home, or in the pub, if they want to watch football. These threads have a disproportionate number of greys who go to games and a lack of younger supporters coming through. When people who are in their forties now start to draw their diluted pensions they won't be spending fortunes on going to football matches. The Boomer bubble will have burst. But the cost of stadiums will have gone up and the number season ticket holders will have gone down. Except for the big brand clubs who will still be out there on their own, kept alive by the strength of their brand and a new generation of investor trillionaires. For clubs like ours to do well the Big City teams in Europe need leave their domestic leagues and form a European League, so giving the rest of us a chance to build decent low cost teams with good support in our own countries. But even then the stadiums won't be any bigger even if the population has increased. Right now we are at the top of the curve, it won't go on forever.[/p][/quote]I was young..when I left home,an' I been out a ramblin' round. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

5:50pm Wed 13 Aug 14

poshdave says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
Ings or Rhodes for less money would seem the better option or even stick with Mayuka
..bang on, especially Rhodes......God I hope I'm wrong about all this, but its not lookig good.......
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Ings or Rhodes for less money would seem the better option or even stick with Mayuka[/p][/quote]..bang on, especially Rhodes......God I hope I'm wrong about all this, but its not lookig good....... poshdave
  • Score: -1

6:25pm Wed 13 Aug 14

saintmicky says...

Rooflas wrote:
saintmicky wrote:
lovemachine wrote:
Thought we had ambition-apparently not!! Gutted
I'm with you 'gutted' this open display of no ambition is more devastating than any of the sales, or bargain basement signings so far, no wonder everyone wanted to leave!
All players wanted to stay and play for great fans like you'!!
T0sser
Wind it in Gobsh*te, they don't play for me or you or any other fans, they play for money! or hasn't this summer made that obvious enough to get through your thick skull? Kn@b
[quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintmicky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lovemachine[/bold] wrote: Thought we had ambition-apparently not!! Gutted[/p][/quote]I'm with you 'gutted' this open display of no ambition is more devastating than any of the sales, or bargain basement signings so far, no wonder everyone wanted to leave![/p][/quote]All players wanted to stay and play for great fans like you'!! T0sser[/p][/quote]Wind it in Gobsh*te, they don't play for me or you or any other fans, they play for money! or hasn't this summer made that obvious enough to get through your thick skull? Kn@b saintmicky
  • Score: 0

6:42pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Rooflas says...

saintmicky wrote:
Rooflas wrote:
saintmicky wrote:
lovemachine wrote:
Thought we had ambition-apparently not!! Gutted
I'm with you 'gutted' this open display of no ambition is more devastating than any of the sales, or bargain basement signings so far, no wonder everyone wanted to leave!
All players wanted to stay and play for great fans like you'!!
T0sser
Wind it in Gobsh*te, they don't play for me or you or any other fans, they play for money! or hasn't this summer made that obvious enough to get through your thick skull? Kn@b
Call yourself a supporter! Long may not be the best player, he may be overpriced but I'll tell you what he would give and that's 100% effort for the shirt and he wants to jointhe club unlike some other big time sulky Charlie's that some want to sign.
Now you wind it in and support the club and players that wear the colours.
[quote][p][bold]saintmicky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintmicky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lovemachine[/bold] wrote: Thought we had ambition-apparently not!! Gutted[/p][/quote]I'm with you 'gutted' this open display of no ambition is more devastating than any of the sales, or bargain basement signings so far, no wonder everyone wanted to leave![/p][/quote]All players wanted to stay and play for great fans like you'!! T0sser[/p][/quote]Wind it in Gobsh*te, they don't play for me or you or any other fans, they play for money! or hasn't this summer made that obvious enough to get through your thick skull? Kn@b[/p][/quote]Call yourself a supporter! Long may not be the best player, he may be overpriced but I'll tell you what he would give and that's 100% effort for the shirt and he wants to jointhe club unlike some other big time sulky Charlie's that some want to sign. Now you wind it in and support the club and players that wear the colours. Rooflas
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7:01pm Wed 13 Aug 14

saintmicky says...

Rooflas wrote:
saintmicky wrote:
Rooflas wrote:
saintmicky wrote:
lovemachine wrote:
Thought we had ambition-apparently not!! Gutted
I'm with you 'gutted' this open display of no ambition is more devastating than any of the sales, or bargain basement signings so far, no wonder everyone wanted to leave!
All players wanted to stay and play for great fans like you'!!
T0sser
Wind it in Gobsh*te, they don't play for me or you or any other fans, they play for money! or hasn't this summer made that obvious enough to get through your thick skull? Kn@b
Call yourself a supporter! Long may not be the best player, he may be overpriced but I'll tell you what he would give and that's 100% effort for the shirt and he wants to jointhe club unlike some other big time sulky Charlie's that some want to sign.
Now you wind it in and support the club and players that wear the colours.
You still want to chat about it?
I have not problem with Long, his best games have been against us. My comment was, if you cared to read it that this purchase demonstrates a lack of ambition by the board, this does not mean I don't support the players or the club, I stay to the final whistle of every game regardless, 'even Arsenal away the season before last', clap Jos, and the other players who stay on the pitch and clap the fans even if they have scored own goals!!
I don't even beleive you can genuinely be stupid enough to get to 'support the club and the players' because I see buying Long as a lack of ambition, you are just point scoring with the happy clappers, grow up and understand that people can have opinions different to yours and still be a supporter .Buying Long in my opinion 'the one I am entitled to as a long term STH and Saints fan' shows a lack of ambition from the board.
I will still be clapping him off the pitch at the end of every game, even if he misses a whole raft of sitters, because that is the sort of supporter I am. I am not only gutted that we are buying Long I am gutted that 't@ssers like you claim to support the same team as I do.
[quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintmicky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintmicky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lovemachine[/bold] wrote: Thought we had ambition-apparently not!! Gutted[/p][/quote]I'm with you 'gutted' this open display of no ambition is more devastating than any of the sales, or bargain basement signings so far, no wonder everyone wanted to leave![/p][/quote]All players wanted to stay and play for great fans like you'!! T0sser[/p][/quote]Wind it in Gobsh*te, they don't play for me or you or any other fans, they play for money! or hasn't this summer made that obvious enough to get through your thick skull? Kn@b[/p][/quote]Call yourself a supporter! Long may not be the best player, he may be overpriced but I'll tell you what he would give and that's 100% effort for the shirt and he wants to jointhe club unlike some other big time sulky Charlie's that some want to sign. Now you wind it in and support the club and players that wear the colours.[/p][/quote]You still want to chat about it? I have not problem with Long, his best games have been against us. My comment was, if you cared to read it that this purchase demonstrates a lack of ambition by the board, this does not mean I don't support the players or the club, I stay to the final whistle of every game regardless, 'even Arsenal away the season before last', clap Jos, and the other players who stay on the pitch and clap the fans even if they have scored own goals!! I don't even beleive you can genuinely be stupid enough to get to 'support the club and the players' because I see buying Long as a lack of ambition, you are just point scoring with the happy clappers, grow up and understand that people can have opinions different to yours and still be a supporter .Buying Long in my opinion 'the one I am entitled to as a long term STH and Saints fan' shows a lack of ambition from the board. I will still be clapping him off the pitch at the end of every game, even if he misses a whole raft of sitters, because that is the sort of supporter I am. I am not only gutted that we are buying Long I am gutted that 't@ssers like you claim to support the same team as I do. saintmicky
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