Schneiderlin last Saint standing in Brazil after Ramirez exit

Basingstoke Gazette: Gaston Ramirez in action against Colombia Gaston Ramirez in action against Colombia

Morgan Schneiderlin is the only Saints player left in the World Cup after Gaston Ramirez suffered heartache with Uruguay in Brazil.

Ramirez and Schneiderlin were the only two Saints to make it to the last 16, but that is where the former’s tournament ended as Uruguay were beaten 2-0 by Colombia.

The £12m midfielder again had to settle for a place on the bench, but was introduced after 53 minutes with his side two goals down in an attempt to try and turn things around.

However, without the fire power and quality of the banned Luis Suarez, they never really looked all that threatening in the final third.

It was the man of the moment James Rodriguez that really did the damage to Uruguay.

He opened the scoring on 28 minutes with a stunning chest down and volley that flew in off the underside of the bar.

He then doubled Colombia’s advantage five minutes into the second half before the introduction of Ramirez.

The Saints man did lift Uruguay for a late rally but was always fighting a losing battle by that stage and now has a short break before returning to St Mary’s for pre-season training.

Schneiderlin is hoping for some action on Monday as France take on Nigeria for a place in the quarter-finals.

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10:55pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Great should increase his value.

Anyone else notice the commentators taking the p1ss out of us? Laughing about not having a team. That's crap.
Great should increase his value. Anyone else notice the commentators taking the p1ss out of us? Laughing about not having a team. That's crap. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 14

10:56pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Jon Forte says...

I wonder how much we'll sell him for.
I wonder how much we'll sell him for. Jon Forte
  • Score: 5

11:02pm Sat 28 Jun 14

redsnapper says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Great should increase his value.

Anyone else notice the commentators taking the p1ss out of us? Laughing about not having a team. That's crap.
Yep the commentators are right out of order...I Koemans stops the rot we need Schines. Vic and Gaston to stay.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Great should increase his value. Anyone else notice the commentators taking the p1ss out of us? Laughing about not having a team. That's crap.[/p][/quote]Yep the commentators are right out of order...I Koemans stops the rot we need Schines. Vic and Gaston to stay. redsnapper
  • Score: 12

11:04pm Sat 28 Jun 14

brighton saint says...

Are those fools really commentators...joker
s more like that love linking up with the hype...no doubt they saw England in a different light,,all that matters to moi is Saints...we need to have faith in RoKo and the board.we will rise like a phoenix again because we are red and white,,,the board etc in we trust..bring on the Saints to tres exciting times...happy days
Are those fools really commentators...joker s more like that love linking up with the hype...no doubt they saw England in a different light,,all that matters to moi is Saints...we need to have faith in RoKo and the board.we will rise like a phoenix again because we are red and white,,,the board etc in we trust..bring on the Saints to tres exciting times...happy days brighton saint
  • Score: 5

11:22pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Shareholder says...

Watch out, Wenger's in Rio! Expect a bid soon. Schneiderlin's comments on Sky don't give us much hope I'm afraid. Still it's going to be fascinating now to see how Koeman is going to spend the huge pile we're accumulating. I can't imagine the new Boss didn't know about all this and he still came so there must be a plan in place. Never a dull moment with Saints and rather than being depressed I'm actually quite excited.
Watch out, Wenger's in Rio! Expect a bid soon. Schneiderlin's comments on Sky don't give us much hope I'm afraid. Still it's going to be fascinating now to see how Koeman is going to spend the huge pile we're accumulating. I can't imagine the new Boss didn't know about all this and he still came so there must be a plan in place. Never a dull moment with Saints and rather than being depressed I'm actually quite excited. Shareholder
  • Score: 13

12:11am Sun 29 Jun 14

Harold K Steptoe says...

Last one back to find a new club.
Last one back to find a new club. Harold K Steptoe
  • Score: 4

12:48am Sun 29 Jun 14

Rank Xerox says...

Lambert, Shaw, probably Lalana, Schneiiderin........
...should we have got rid of Gully & Fox!!
Lambert, Shaw, probably Lalana, Schneiiderin........ ...should we have got rid of Gully & Fox!! Rank Xerox
  • Score: 8

12:57am Sun 29 Jun 14

03alpe01 says...

Until he moves to Arsenal!
Until he moves to Arsenal! 03alpe01
  • Score: 5

2:26am Sun 29 Jun 14

White and red till dead says...

Good. Just desserts after his disgraceful behaviour in the bite incident. Home early for pre-season.
Good. Just desserts after his disgraceful behaviour in the bite incident. Home early for pre-season. White and red till dead
  • Score: 5

8:01am Sun 29 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

I've not heard of the Lallana deal completing. Wouldn't it be awesome if he failed the medical with his lack of heart problem? He'd come back here with his tail between his legs and we could torment him all season!
I've not heard of the Lallana deal completing. Wouldn't it be awesome if he failed the medical with his lack of heart problem? He'd come back here with his tail between his legs and we could torment him all season! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

8:22am Sun 29 Jun 14

Rising_Son says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I've not heard of the Lallana deal completing. Wouldn't it be awesome if he failed the medical with his lack of heart problem? He'd come back here with his tail between his legs and we could torment him all season!
A glimmer of humour amid all your doom and gloom. Thanks. I enjoyed that.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I've not heard of the Lallana deal completing. Wouldn't it be awesome if he failed the medical with his lack of heart problem? He'd come back here with his tail between his legs and we could torment him all season![/p][/quote]A glimmer of humour amid all your doom and gloom. Thanks. I enjoyed that. Rising_Son
  • Score: 5

8:29am Sun 29 Jun 14

saint christopher says...

Appears Sneiderlein is off to Arsenal, so that means we've pretty well strengthened all the teams we're trying to catch and sent out a clear signal that we're now the prime development club for other PL clubs.

£100m? Have still got to get the right players (not easy, especially as Saints are effectively 2 or 3 weeks behind all the other teams in their transfers) and then have to get them playing as a team (even harder).

As some have said, next season is now about not being relegated, nothing more. All my enthusiasm and hope has I'm afraid rather dissipated as the heart of this team has been rapidly removed, all before Koeman has officially even started.

If there's a master plan I'd sure like to know what it is.
Appears Sneiderlein is off to Arsenal, so that means we've pretty well strengthened all the teams we're trying to catch and sent out a clear signal that we're now the prime development club for other PL clubs. £100m? Have still got to get the right players (not easy, especially as Saints are effectively 2 or 3 weeks behind all the other teams in their transfers) and then have to get them playing as a team (even harder). As some have said, next season is now about not being relegated, nothing more. All my enthusiasm and hope has I'm afraid rather dissipated as the heart of this team has been rapidly removed, all before Koeman has officially even started. If there's a master plan I'd sure like to know what it is. saint christopher
  • Score: 8

8:39am Sun 29 Jun 14

NC Fan4Life says...

So Gaston is now free to go to Turin for £20m and Lovern to Barca for £25m, Morgan will have to wait a bit before his move to Arsenal for £30m. Then with bids pending for Cork, Chambers & Cline plus Osvaldo still to sell, all the rumors are coming true so the commentators are right to take the 'mick' out of Saints.

RoKo's transfer kitty could rise to a near £200m at this rate, only problem is can he attract any quality players to a club that does not have any stars left.

Why the board see fit to break up such a good group of players after taking 5 yrs building it, when I was confident that the would not do this has me very concerned. I now demand a statement as to why they have sold not one but all three of our England World Cup stars, when then kept telling us they did not need to sell any players.

Buying replacement as good will not be easy for RonKo, some will not work out eg Osvaldo, Maluda, Forren and even Rameries could not make regular place in the first team. Only Lovren & Wanyama made it so it seems that you need to buy twice the number of players to get the right quality and then try to make them play as a team.

Les & the board have also made an error by selling players before we buy because clubs will hold out for more knowing we are desparate for players and have plenty of money to spend.

We have a relatively easy start so need to hit the ground running, but reality is that the board are giving RonKo a very difficult task with the result being that we shouldn't don't expect a top half next season but hope to avoid a relegation fight.

Missed opportunity to advance and now with the fear that if RonKo does get us back to top eight again we will be selling the next crop of our stars, in other words we will only ever be a feeder club.

Someone please tell me I am wrong, I am normally optimistic & pleased with the Koeman Bros appointments but if there are any more sales I think we will be asking too much.
So Gaston is now free to go to Turin for £20m and Lovern to Barca for £25m, Morgan will have to wait a bit before his move to Arsenal for £30m. Then with bids pending for Cork, Chambers & Cline plus Osvaldo still to sell, all the rumors are coming true so the commentators are right to take the 'mick' out of Saints. RoKo's transfer kitty could rise to a near £200m at this rate, only problem is can he attract any quality players to a club that does not have any stars left. Why the board see fit to break up such a good group of players after taking 5 yrs building it, when I was confident that the would not do this has me very concerned. I now demand a statement as to why they have sold not one but all three of our England World Cup stars, when then kept telling us they did not need to sell any players. Buying replacement as good will not be easy for RonKo, some will not work out eg Osvaldo, Maluda, Forren and even Rameries could not make regular place in the first team. Only Lovren & Wanyama made it so it seems that you need to buy twice the number of players to get the right quality and then try to make them play as a team. Les & the board have also made an error by selling players before we buy because clubs will hold out for more knowing we are desparate for players and have plenty of money to spend. We have a relatively easy start so need to hit the ground running, but reality is that the board are giving RonKo a very difficult task with the result being that we shouldn't don't expect a top half next season but hope to avoid a relegation fight. Missed opportunity to advance and now with the fear that if RonKo does get us back to top eight again we will be selling the next crop of our stars, in other words we will only ever be a feeder club. Someone please tell me I am wrong, I am normally optimistic & pleased with the Koeman Bros appointments but if there are any more sales I think we will be asking too much. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 10

8:42am Sun 29 Jun 14

peregrine73 says...

Shareholder wrote:
Watch out, Wenger's in Rio! Expect a bid soon. Schneiderlin's comments on Sky don't give us much hope I'm afraid. Still it's going to be fascinating now to see how Koeman is going to spend the huge pile we're accumulating. I can't imagine the new Boss didn't know about all this and he still came so there must be a plan in place. Never a dull moment with Saints and rather than being depressed I'm actually quite excited.
I'm not so sure he knew about the mass exodus, the board have cashed in to retrieve the invested money.I can't see how you can replace the nucleus of a good team in a few weeks.Even if you have 100 mill to spend ,the problem is a) attracting the right calibre player to the club( wages a concern)
b)teams will know are status(over inflated prices)
c)Proberbly the most important how do you blend in all the replacements and play as a team in a short period of time ?
It looks an almost impossible task for any manager,perhaps MP left because of the mass sellout?
I just hope we can stay in the premiership after all the hard work and effort,
but it looks like a a very big ask!
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: Watch out, Wenger's in Rio! Expect a bid soon. Schneiderlin's comments on Sky don't give us much hope I'm afraid. Still it's going to be fascinating now to see how Koeman is going to spend the huge pile we're accumulating. I can't imagine the new Boss didn't know about all this and he still came so there must be a plan in place. Never a dull moment with Saints and rather than being depressed I'm actually quite excited.[/p][/quote]I'm not so sure he knew about the mass exodus, the board have cashed in to retrieve the invested money.I can't see how you can replace the nucleus of a good team in a few weeks.Even if you have 100 mill to spend ,the problem is a) attracting the right calibre player to the club( wages a concern) b)teams will know are status(over inflated prices) c)Proberbly the most important how do you blend in all the replacements and play as a team in a short period of time ? It looks an almost impossible task for any manager,perhaps MP left because of the mass sellout? I just hope we can stay in the premiership after all the hard work and effort, but it looks like a a very big ask! peregrine73
  • Score: 3

8:44am Sun 29 Jun 14

BarnetSaint says...

I'm afraid our owner and board have messed up royally.
I have hope and faith in RoKo but Kruger ( talking of whom, has he disappeared?)
And reed have seen all these departures happen around them and appear hopeless and helpless, what ever people say about Cortese, he sold a vision to the likes of Lovren
Where as liebher and co have virtually put the for sale board up and have been caught out by how many of the great team of ours want to jump ship.
I'm afraid our owner and board have messed up royally. I have hope and faith in RoKo but Kruger ( talking of whom, has he disappeared?) And reed have seen all these departures happen around them and appear hopeless and helpless, what ever people say about Cortese, he sold a vision to the likes of Lovren Where as liebher and co have virtually put the for sale board up and have been caught out by how many of the great team of ours want to jump ship. BarnetSaint
  • Score: 5

8:47am Sun 29 Jun 14

techsture says...

AL's knee will never pass a medical. That's what the hold up is.
AL's knee will never pass a medical. That's what the hold up is. techsture
  • Score: 0

8:52am Sun 29 Jun 14

cotswoldsaint says...

Just remove the "in Brazil" from this headline and it could be recycled for later next week the way things are going. Except, of course, it won't be Schneiderlin who's the last man standing! Possibly Kelv??
Just remove the "in Brazil" from this headline and it could be recycled for later next week the way things are going. Except, of course, it won't be Schneiderlin who's the last man standing! Possibly Kelv?? cotswoldsaint
  • Score: -1

8:53am Sun 29 Jun 14

cotswoldsaint says...

Agree with other posters, we're rapidly becoming a laughing stock judging by Andy Townsend's amused comments during last night's match. Need to nip this in the bud with good signings soon.
Agree with other posters, we're rapidly becoming a laughing stock judging by Andy Townsend's amused comments during last night's match. Need to nip this in the bud with good signings soon. cotswoldsaint
  • Score: 5

9:02am Sun 29 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that?

We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them?

We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?
As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that? We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them? We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 6

9:07am Sun 29 Jun 14

Saint Jinx says...

So many players wanting to leave is just laughable and morally very wrong. If so many are demanded by the "top" clubs then obviously we would have really gone places if they had stayed. I am absolutely dumbstruck by the events of this summer. The World Cup was bad news for us.
So many players wanting to leave is just laughable and morally very wrong. If so many are demanded by the "top" clubs then obviously we would have really gone places if they had stayed. I am absolutely dumbstruck by the events of this summer. The World Cup was bad news for us. Saint Jinx
  • Score: 9

9:08am Sun 29 Jun 14

invictus says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Great should increase his value.

Anyone else notice the commentators taking the p1ss out of us? Laughing about not having a team. That's crap.
Same old Saints~different faces..except whereas in the past we might have sold one or two stars this board have engaged in blatant, wholesale asset stripping. And made the fans cough up for season tickets in advance. Action needed.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Great should increase his value. Anyone else notice the commentators taking the p1ss out of us? Laughing about not having a team. That's crap.[/p][/quote]Same old Saints~different faces..except whereas in the past we might have sold one or two stars this board have engaged in blatant, wholesale asset stripping. And made the fans cough up for season tickets in advance. Action needed. invictus
  • Score: 5

9:12am Sun 29 Jun 14

Rising_Son says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that?

We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them?

We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?
No argument with that.

If your analysis is correct though, backing down on the war chest and, hopefully, backing down on wages does suggest that the board has ambition, perhaps not quite the same dream as before, but ambition nonetheless.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that? We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them? We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?[/p][/quote]No argument with that. If your analysis is correct though, backing down on the war chest and, hopefully, backing down on wages does suggest that the board has ambition, perhaps not quite the same dream as before, but ambition nonetheless. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

9:15am Sun 29 Jun 14

IOAD says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I've not heard of the Lallana deal completing. Wouldn't it be awesome if he failed the medical with his lack of heart problem? He'd come back here with his tail between his legs and we could torment him all season!
A glimmer of humour amid all your doom and gloom. Thanks. I enjoyed that.
I would like to claim ownership of the Adam Lallana: no heart™ joke (see previous thread).
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I've not heard of the Lallana deal completing. Wouldn't it be awesome if he failed the medical with his lack of heart problem? He'd come back here with his tail between his legs and we could torment him all season![/p][/quote]A glimmer of humour amid all your doom and gloom. Thanks. I enjoyed that.[/p][/quote]I would like to claim ownership of the Adam Lallana: no heart™ joke (see previous thread). IOAD
  • Score: 1

9:15am Sun 29 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Great should increase his value.

Anyone else notice the commentators taking the p1ss out of us? Laughing about not having a team. That's crap.
Was that Andy Townsend's voice, ex-Saints Andy Townsend. Didn't like it but he is only saying it as the footballing world is seeing it.
Rambo has a hell of a task ahead of him rebuilding confidence into this team.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Great should increase his value. Anyone else notice the commentators taking the p1ss out of us? Laughing about not having a team. That's crap.[/p][/quote]Was that Andy Townsend's voice, ex-Saints Andy Townsend. Didn't like it but he is only saying it as the footballing world is seeing it. Rambo has a hell of a task ahead of him rebuilding confidence into this team. jls217
  • Score: 3

9:22am Sun 29 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

invictus wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Great should increase his value.

Anyone else notice the commentators taking the p1ss out of us? Laughing about not having a team. That's crap.
Same old Saints~different faces..except whereas in the past we might have sold one or two stars this board have engaged in blatant, wholesale asset stripping. And made the fans cough up for season tickets in advance. Action needed.
I think you've just hit the nail on the head. The advanced sale of season tickets was very cynical. They knew what they were going to do.
[quote][p][bold]invictus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Great should increase his value. Anyone else notice the commentators taking the p1ss out of us? Laughing about not having a team. That's crap.[/p][/quote]Same old Saints~different faces..except whereas in the past we might have sold one or two stars this board have engaged in blatant, wholesale asset stripping. And made the fans cough up for season tickets in advance. Action needed.[/p][/quote]I think you've just hit the nail on the head. The advanced sale of season tickets was very cynical. They knew what they were going to do. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 8

9:27am Sun 29 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that?

We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them?

We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?
If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain.

I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black.
It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate.
Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players.
32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along.
Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that? We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them? We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?[/p][/quote]If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain. I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black. It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate. Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players. 32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along. Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into. jls217
  • Score: 12

9:39am Sun 29 Jun 14

Berkshire Saint says...

The concerned posts are outnumbering the positive ones 10-1 and I hope the board are taking note. We all heard Les say that we'll only sell if it makes us stronger but surely so much change only makes us weaker. Having a transfer warchest leads to inflated fees and wages for average players, just look at spurs last year after Bale was sold.

This should have been the best summer to be a Saints fan but it's unravelled to be one of the worst (Admunistration excepted).
The concerned posts are outnumbering the positive ones 10-1 and I hope the board are taking note. We all heard Les say that we'll only sell if it makes us stronger but surely so much change only makes us weaker. Having a transfer warchest leads to inflated fees and wages for average players, just look at spurs last year after Bale was sold. This should have been the best summer to be a Saints fan but it's unravelled to be one of the worst (Admunistration excepted). Berkshire Saint
  • Score: 3

9:42am Sun 29 Jun 14

Norwegian Saint says...

A club needs trust, heart, bonding, friendship, laughter.... we had this but now it's time to start all over again with RK... could be a tough season but we will be back!
A club needs trust, heart, bonding, friendship, laughter.... we had this but now it's time to start all over again with RK... could be a tough season but we will be back! Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 4

9:45am Sun 29 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

IOAD wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I've not heard of the Lallana deal completing. Wouldn't it be awesome if he failed the medical with his lack of heart problem? He'd come back here with his tail between his legs and we could torment him all season!
A glimmer of humour amid all your doom and gloom. Thanks. I enjoyed that.
I would like to claim ownership of the Adam Lallana: no heart™ joke (see previous thread).
Royalty's in the post!
[quote][p][bold]IOAD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I've not heard of the Lallana deal completing. Wouldn't it be awesome if he failed the medical with his lack of heart problem? He'd come back here with his tail between his legs and we could torment him all season![/p][/quote]A glimmer of humour amid all your doom and gloom. Thanks. I enjoyed that.[/p][/quote]I would like to claim ownership of the Adam Lallana: no heart™ joke (see previous thread).[/p][/quote]Royalty's in the post! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

9:54am Sun 29 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that?

We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them?

We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?
If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain.

I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black.
It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate.
Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players.
32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along.
Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.
They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made.

You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay?

PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that? We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them? We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?[/p][/quote]If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain. I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black. It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate. Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players. 32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along. Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.[/p][/quote]They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made. You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay? PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -3

9:57am Sun 29 Jun 14

Chipmonk1 says...

Reality check time. For those who think we would not be in this "situation" if Cortese was still in charge can I point out he was ready to let SRL gi in Jan to West Hoof for less than the current board got, which also would have probably meant they would have finished above us. Furthermore faced with the only occasion of a want away star (Oxo) he sold and for less than the current board got for Shaw. He also spent like a drunken sailor on someone else's dime and paid himself handsomely to boot. I was a Cortese fan but I am man enough to admit I was wrong. We were headed in same direction as Skunts FC. The board have said no one will go until nrw manager was appointed they didn't. They also said money from sales would be reinvested I expect it will. RoKo must be of the opinion that 30 million is worth more than Shaw to the team and I happen to agree. I can't cop the conspiracy theories about asset stripping as the best value comes from a viable team in the top half of the PL. Sorry for the rant but I am sick of all the doom and gloom.
Reality check time. For those who think we would not be in this "situation" if Cortese was still in charge can I point out he was ready to let SRL gi in Jan to West Hoof for less than the current board got, which also would have probably meant they would have finished above us. Furthermore faced with the only occasion of a want away star (Oxo) he sold and for less than the current board got for Shaw. He also spent like a drunken sailor on someone else's dime and paid himself handsomely to boot. I was a Cortese fan but I am man enough to admit I was wrong. We were headed in same direction as Skunts FC. The board have said no one will go until nrw manager was appointed they didn't. They also said money from sales would be reinvested I expect it will. RoKo must be of the opinion that 30 million is worth more than Shaw to the team and I happen to agree. I can't cop the conspiracy theories about asset stripping as the best value comes from a viable team in the top half of the PL. Sorry for the rant but I am sick of all the doom and gloom. Chipmonk1
  • Score: 21

10:03am Sun 29 Jun 14

WTFisgoingon says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
invictus wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Great should increase his value.

Anyone else notice the commentators taking the p1ss out of us? Laughing about not having a team. That's crap.
Same old Saints~different faces..except whereas in the past we might have sold one or two stars this board have engaged in blatant, wholesale asset stripping. And made the fans cough up for season tickets in advance. Action needed.
I think you've just hit the nail on the head. The advanced sale of season tickets was very cynical. They knew what they were going to do.
In which case we need a concerted effort to get people to return season tickets under the distance selling regulations. You have the right to reject them right up to seven days after you receive them. You don't have to have any reason, you can just reject them.

I called the ticket office on Friday and it put the wind up them when I said I wanted to do it. I'm still waiting for a "supervisor" to call me back. I hope they are quiety cr4pping themselves.

I'm not paying to watch a hastily-assembled team of players who can't get a move anywhere else. I'll go to half a dozen games, show my support to the team, but the club won't have my £1,000 for me and my son this year. I bought it in the belief that there would be at least some effort to keep the team together. They haven't kept their side of the deal.

Now I don't know how Twitter and Facebook work (too old) but we need a campaign to encourage people to do this. It's the only way to get the board to listen (through their bank account) as the club's being asset-stripped.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]invictus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Great should increase his value. Anyone else notice the commentators taking the p1ss out of us? Laughing about not having a team. That's crap.[/p][/quote]Same old Saints~different faces..except whereas in the past we might have sold one or two stars this board have engaged in blatant, wholesale asset stripping. And made the fans cough up for season tickets in advance. Action needed.[/p][/quote]I think you've just hit the nail on the head. The advanced sale of season tickets was very cynical. They knew what they were going to do.[/p][/quote]In which case we need a concerted effort to get people to return season tickets under the distance selling regulations. You have the right to reject them right up to seven days after you receive them. You don't have to have any reason, you can just reject them. I called the ticket office on Friday and it put the wind up them when I said I wanted to do it. I'm still waiting for a "supervisor" to call me back. I hope they are quiety cr4pping themselves. I'm not paying to watch a hastily-assembled team of players who can't get a move anywhere else. I'll go to half a dozen games, show my support to the team, but the club won't have my £1,000 for me and my son this year. I bought it in the belief that there would be at least some effort to keep the team together. They haven't kept their side of the deal. Now I don't know how Twitter and Facebook work (too old) but we need a campaign to encourage people to do this. It's the only way to get the board to listen (through their bank account) as the club's being asset-stripped. WTFisgoingon
  • Score: -4

10:05am Sun 29 Jun 14

2getheras1 says...

Chipmonk1 wrote:
Reality check time. For those who think we would not be in this "situation" if Cortese was still in charge can I point out he was ready to let SRL gi in Jan to West Hoof for less than the current board got, which also would have probably meant they would have finished above us. Furthermore faced with the only occasion of a want away star (Oxo) he sold and for less than the current board got for Shaw. He also spent like a drunken sailor on someone else's dime and paid himself handsomely to boot. I was a Cortese fan but I am man enough to admit I was wrong. We were headed in same direction as Skunts FC. The board have said no one will go until nrw manager was appointed they didn't. They also said money from sales would be reinvested I expect it will. RoKo must be of the opinion that 30 million is worth more than Shaw to the team and I happen to agree. I can't cop the conspiracy theories about asset stripping as the best value comes from a viable team in the top half of the PL. Sorry for the rant but I am sick of all the doom and gloom.
Agreed
[quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: Reality check time. For those who think we would not be in this "situation" if Cortese was still in charge can I point out he was ready to let SRL gi in Jan to West Hoof for less than the current board got, which also would have probably meant they would have finished above us. Furthermore faced with the only occasion of a want away star (Oxo) he sold and for less than the current board got for Shaw. He also spent like a drunken sailor on someone else's dime and paid himself handsomely to boot. I was a Cortese fan but I am man enough to admit I was wrong. We were headed in same direction as Skunts FC. The board have said no one will go until nrw manager was appointed they didn't. They also said money from sales would be reinvested I expect it will. RoKo must be of the opinion that 30 million is worth more than Shaw to the team and I happen to agree. I can't cop the conspiracy theories about asset stripping as the best value comes from a viable team in the top half of the PL. Sorry for the rant but I am sick of all the doom and gloom.[/p][/quote]Agreed 2getheras1
  • Score: 5

10:07am Sun 29 Jun 14

WTFisgoingon says...

I stress that I don't expect them to be cr4pping themselves about ME giving up my season ticket, just if more people start to do it...
I stress that I don't expect them to be cr4pping themselves about ME giving up my season ticket, just if more people start to do it... WTFisgoingon
  • Score: -1

10:28am Sun 29 Jun 14

Shrewdsaint says...

I'm still trying hard to not to get too disheartened and wait to see what Ron can do with all the cash. At least Saints are getting a good price. What really p*sses me off is the pundits on every channel, TV and radio, selling our players. Andy Townsend just joined in with an unfunny quip but right from before the January transfer we had Schmichael (sp) saying AL's good, he should play for Man U on MOTD and it continued through the season. Every time a Saint played well the commentator tried to find him another club. I hope we spend well, the Dutch back 3 would be a good start. Really want to finish above Tottingham.
I'm still trying hard to not to get too disheartened and wait to see what Ron can do with all the cash. At least Saints are getting a good price. What really p*sses me off is the pundits on every channel, TV and radio, selling our players. Andy Townsend just joined in with an unfunny quip but right from before the January transfer we had Schmichael (sp) saying AL's good, he should play for Man U on MOTD and it continued through the season. Every time a Saint played well the commentator tried to find him another club. I hope we spend well, the Dutch back 3 would be a good start. Really want to finish above Tottingham. Shrewdsaint
  • Score: 4

10:29am Sun 29 Jun 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Chipmonk1 wrote:
Reality check time. For those who think we would not be in this "situation" if Cortese was still in charge can I point out he was ready to let SRL gi in Jan to West Hoof for less than the current board got, which also would have probably meant they would have finished above us. Furthermore faced with the only occasion of a want away star (Oxo) he sold and for less than the current board got for Shaw. He also spent like a drunken sailor on someone else's dime and paid himself handsomely to boot. I was a Cortese fan but I am man enough to admit I was wrong. We were headed in same direction as Skunts FC. The board have said no one will go until nrw manager was appointed they didn't. They also said money from sales would be reinvested I expect it will. RoKo must be of the opinion that 30 million is worth more than Shaw to the team and I happen to agree. I can't cop the conspiracy theories about asset stripping as the best value comes from a viable team in the top half of the PL. Sorry for the rant but I am sick of all the doom and gloom.
Interesting view and worth all of us considering at this time.

As for commentators on TV last night, for obvious reasons I didn't hear what was said or by whom. However, if it was Andy Townsend, let's remember that he left Saints at his peak ......... for Norwich City! I can't see any of our team doing that right now.

The situation isn't easy to stomach, but there's far more to all of this than simply bad board management. They've certainly got a lot to answer for but just as NC was neither 100% wonderful nor 100% terrible, the same applies to Ralph & co.

Of course it would be better to keep all of the squad together and bring in the 3-4 players needed to take us a step further (replacing players, paying agents etc. costs more than holding on to players), but players who want out are of more value being sold than they will ever be if kept and not happy, and with contracts that fizzle away until they're free agents. The biggest annoyance for me (and this could be the board's fault, MP's fault, Ron's fault or the players' fault) is that the entire squad - including Rickie - won't be getting together with Ron in mid-July so that each player's future can be properly discussed and decided in the correct manner.
[quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: Reality check time. For those who think we would not be in this "situation" if Cortese was still in charge can I point out he was ready to let SRL gi in Jan to West Hoof for less than the current board got, which also would have probably meant they would have finished above us. Furthermore faced with the only occasion of a want away star (Oxo) he sold and for less than the current board got for Shaw. He also spent like a drunken sailor on someone else's dime and paid himself handsomely to boot. I was a Cortese fan but I am man enough to admit I was wrong. We were headed in same direction as Skunts FC. The board have said no one will go until nrw manager was appointed they didn't. They also said money from sales would be reinvested I expect it will. RoKo must be of the opinion that 30 million is worth more than Shaw to the team and I happen to agree. I can't cop the conspiracy theories about asset stripping as the best value comes from a viable team in the top half of the PL. Sorry for the rant but I am sick of all the doom and gloom.[/p][/quote]Interesting view and worth all of us considering at this time. As for commentators on TV last night, for obvious reasons I didn't hear what was said or by whom. However, if it was Andy Townsend, let's remember that he left Saints at his peak ......... for Norwich City! I can't see any of our team doing that right now. The situation isn't easy to stomach, but there's far more to all of this than simply bad board management. They've certainly got a lot to answer for but just as NC was neither 100% wonderful nor 100% terrible, the same applies to Ralph & co. Of course it would be better to keep all of the squad together and bring in the 3-4 players needed to take us a step further (replacing players, paying agents etc. costs more than holding on to players), but players who want out are of more value being sold than they will ever be if kept and not happy, and with contracts that fizzle away until they're free agents. The biggest annoyance for me (and this could be the board's fault, MP's fault, Ron's fault or the players' fault) is that the entire squad - including Rickie - won't be getting together with Ron in mid-July so that each player's future can be properly discussed and decided in the correct manner. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 3

10:38am Sun 29 Jun 14

sparky130a says...

WTFisgoingon wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
invictus wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Great should increase his value.

Anyone else notice the commentators taking the p1ss out of us? Laughing about not having a team. That's crap.
Same old Saints~different faces..except whereas in the past we might have sold one or two stars this board have engaged in blatant, wholesale asset stripping. And made the fans cough up for season tickets in advance. Action needed.
I think you've just hit the nail on the head. The advanced sale of season tickets was very cynical. They knew what they were going to do.
In which case we need a concerted effort to get people to return season tickets under the distance selling regulations. You have the right to reject them right up to seven days after you receive them. You don't have to have any reason, you can just reject them.

I called the ticket office on Friday and it put the wind up them when I said I wanted to do it. I'm still waiting for a "supervisor" to call me back. I hope they are quiety cr4pping themselves.

I'm not paying to watch a hastily-assembled team of players who can't get a move anywhere else. I'll go to half a dozen games, show my support to the team, but the club won't have my £1,000 for me and my son this year. I bought it in the belief that there would be at least some effort to keep the team together. They haven't kept their side of the deal.

Now I don't know how Twitter and Facebook work (too old) but we need a campaign to encourage people to do this. It's the only way to get the board to listen (through their bank account) as the club's being asset-stripped.
I find this very sad. Do you not think you've acted a bit hastily?

Yes it isn't great at the minute but who's to say things won't turn 180 degrees and we'll have a great season. What i do believe though is that the board need to start making moves to justify that sort of optimism. I just hope Reed doesn't prove to be the woodward of this transfer window...
[quote][p][bold]WTFisgoingon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]invictus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Great should increase his value. Anyone else notice the commentators taking the p1ss out of us? Laughing about not having a team. That's crap.[/p][/quote]Same old Saints~different faces..except whereas in the past we might have sold one or two stars this board have engaged in blatant, wholesale asset stripping. And made the fans cough up for season tickets in advance. Action needed.[/p][/quote]I think you've just hit the nail on the head. The advanced sale of season tickets was very cynical. They knew what they were going to do.[/p][/quote]In which case we need a concerted effort to get people to return season tickets under the distance selling regulations. You have the right to reject them right up to seven days after you receive them. You don't have to have any reason, you can just reject them. I called the ticket office on Friday and it put the wind up them when I said I wanted to do it. I'm still waiting for a "supervisor" to call me back. I hope they are quiety cr4pping themselves. I'm not paying to watch a hastily-assembled team of players who can't get a move anywhere else. I'll go to half a dozen games, show my support to the team, but the club won't have my £1,000 for me and my son this year. I bought it in the belief that there would be at least some effort to keep the team together. They haven't kept their side of the deal. Now I don't know how Twitter and Facebook work (too old) but we need a campaign to encourage people to do this. It's the only way to get the board to listen (through their bank account) as the club's being asset-stripped.[/p][/quote]I find this very sad. Do you not think you've acted a bit hastily? Yes it isn't great at the minute but who's to say things won't turn 180 degrees and we'll have a great season. What i do believe though is that the board need to start making moves to justify that sort of optimism. I just hope Reed doesn't prove to be the woodward of this transfer window... sparky130a
  • Score: 2

10:45am Sun 29 Jun 14

St.Gaz says...

WTFisgoingon wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
invictus wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Great should increase his value.

Anyone else notice the commentators taking the p1ss out of us? Laughing about not having a team. That's crap.
Same old Saints~different faces..except whereas in the past we might have sold one or two stars this board have engaged in blatant, wholesale asset stripping. And made the fans cough up for season tickets in advance. Action needed.
I think you've just hit the nail on the head. The advanced sale of season tickets was very cynical. They knew what they were going to do.
In which case we need a concerted effort to get people to return season tickets under the distance selling regulations. You have the right to reject them right up to seven days after you receive them. You don't have to have any reason, you can just reject them.

I called the ticket office on Friday and it put the wind up them when I said I wanted to do it. I'm still waiting for a "supervisor" to call me back. I hope they are quiety cr4pping themselves.

I'm not paying to watch a hastily-assembled team of players who can't get a move anywhere else. I'll go to half a dozen games, show my support to the team, but the club won't have my £1,000 for me and my son this year. I bought it in the belief that there would be at least some effort to keep the team together. They haven't kept their side of the deal.

Now I don't know how Twitter and Facebook work (too old) but we need a campaign to encourage people to do this. It's the only way to get the board to listen (through their bank account) as the club's being asset-stripped.
Will wait to see if they spend all the transfer money and I'm I mean (all) the money not spend £40m and squirrel the rest into the owners pocket! should be around £130m if no other players leave!
It will soon be clear what there game plan is for the club judged by the amount of money spent and the quality of the players brought in!
Then and only then should action be taken!
[quote][p][bold]WTFisgoingon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]invictus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Great should increase his value. Anyone else notice the commentators taking the p1ss out of us? Laughing about not having a team. That's crap.[/p][/quote]Same old Saints~different faces..except whereas in the past we might have sold one or two stars this board have engaged in blatant, wholesale asset stripping. And made the fans cough up for season tickets in advance. Action needed.[/p][/quote]I think you've just hit the nail on the head. The advanced sale of season tickets was very cynical. They knew what they were going to do.[/p][/quote]In which case we need a concerted effort to get people to return season tickets under the distance selling regulations. You have the right to reject them right up to seven days after you receive them. You don't have to have any reason, you can just reject them. I called the ticket office on Friday and it put the wind up them when I said I wanted to do it. I'm still waiting for a "supervisor" to call me back. I hope they are quiety cr4pping themselves. I'm not paying to watch a hastily-assembled team of players who can't get a move anywhere else. I'll go to half a dozen games, show my support to the team, but the club won't have my £1,000 for me and my son this year. I bought it in the belief that there would be at least some effort to keep the team together. They haven't kept their side of the deal. Now I don't know how Twitter and Facebook work (too old) but we need a campaign to encourage people to do this. It's the only way to get the board to listen (through their bank account) as the club's being asset-stripped.[/p][/quote]Will wait to see if they spend all the transfer money and I'm I mean (all) the money not spend £40m and squirrel the rest into the owners pocket! should be around £130m if no other players leave! It will soon be clear what there game plan is for the club judged by the amount of money spent and the quality of the players brought in! Then and only then should action be taken! St.Gaz
  • Score: 0

10:48am Sun 29 Jun 14

NC Fan4Life says...

I have bought my season ticket as I have done since 1967 through thick & thin so will be keeping mine ! I hope others do too.
Whilst I am disappointed with the missed opportunity to push on & try to be in the top six next season with the really good group of players, I recall the ups and downs, especially nearly not having a club.

Therefore I am still grateful for Marcus & now Katarina for their continued investment and development of the club I am starting to look long term.
The sale of Adam & Luke has paid for the £22m transfer debt and the new £30m training ground so that money will not be re-invested. However a similar amount of other income will be, therefore we should not expect any more than £50m to be spent on new players unless others are sold.

The Koeman Bros appointment could start a new era but we also need to re-build/increase the stadium capacity to increase revenue, so finance will also be needed for this. Therefore we will be a feeder club selling our best players for a few more seasons until or whenever we can complete financially with the bigger clubs.

The dream that Nicola Cortese sold us was just that and now have to be realistic and settle as a mid-table Prem team at best, but at least playing entertaining football.
Still better than where Poopy and some other clubs are at.
I have bought my season ticket as I have done since 1967 through thick & thin so will be keeping mine ! I hope others do too. Whilst I am disappointed with the missed opportunity to push on & try to be in the top six next season with the really good group of players, I recall the ups and downs, especially nearly not having a club. Therefore I am still grateful for Marcus & now Katarina for their continued investment and development of the club I am starting to look long term. The sale of Adam & Luke has paid for the £22m transfer debt and the new £30m training ground so that money will not be re-invested. However a similar amount of other income will be, therefore we should not expect any more than £50m to be spent on new players unless others are sold. The Koeman Bros appointment could start a new era but we also need to re-build/increase the stadium capacity to increase revenue, so finance will also be needed for this. Therefore we will be a feeder club selling our best players for a few more seasons until or whenever we can complete financially with the bigger clubs. The dream that Nicola Cortese sold us was just that and now have to be realistic and settle as a mid-table Prem team at best, but at least playing entertaining football. Still better than where Poopy and some other clubs are at. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 3

10:55am Sun 29 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that?

We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them?

We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?
If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain.

I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black.
It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate.
Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players.
32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along.
Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.
They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made.

You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay?

PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.
Oh come on seed this 'vision' thing is a little tired now don't you think?
Just an excuse to leave I'm afraid!
MP wanted to leave as soon as NC left its as simple as that, he said as much previously, yet people think he had a miraculous u turn. MP only ever saw us as a stepping stone to another club. He was asked many times in the days and months if he was going to stay or sign a new contract, his usual response was to chuckle to himself and say he was a decent man and had a contract to honour. So did he honour his contract? Yes he bl00dy did! He never meant the length of the contract, he always meant that he wanted to quit but there was a 'fine' of £2mill (this summer, more in Jan) clause in his contract and he had to honour that! He didn't want to pay it himself so waited for his next stepping stone to come along and pay it for him, spuds were his unlucky victim.
The board made it clear that the 'vision' you keep mentioning is still in place and they are still aiming for European football, only this time with a manager who doesn't mind the Europa league!
MP was offered a larger contract here than he has at spuds, and by all accounts a larger transfer kitty. You said yourself that they backed down and gave koeman a bigger kitty, so why wouldn't they have done the same to MP?
The only 'vision' that MP is interested in is the one that sees him in charge of Barcelona in a couple of years time! He had the chance to get this club going places but for his 'vision' to happen he needs to be at a higher profile club. Barcelona wont sign a manager from us, their fans wouldn't like it, but they wouldn't mind signing spuds manager, he did what HE needed to do for himself!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that? We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them? We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?[/p][/quote]If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain. I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black. It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate. Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players. 32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along. Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.[/p][/quote]They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made. You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay? PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.[/p][/quote]Oh come on seed this 'vision' thing is a little tired now don't you think? Just an excuse to leave I'm afraid! MP wanted to leave as soon as NC left its as simple as that, he said as much previously, yet people think he had a miraculous u turn. MP only ever saw us as a stepping stone to another club. He was asked many times in the days and months if he was going to stay or sign a new contract, his usual response was to chuckle to himself and say he was a decent man and had a contract to honour. So did he honour his contract? Yes he bl00dy did! He never meant the length of the contract, he always meant that he wanted to quit but there was a 'fine' of £2mill (this summer, more in Jan) clause in his contract and he had to honour that! He didn't want to pay it himself so waited for his next stepping stone to come along and pay it for him, spuds were his unlucky victim. The board made it clear that the 'vision' you keep mentioning is still in place and they are still aiming for European football, only this time with a manager who doesn't mind the Europa league! MP was offered a larger contract here than he has at spuds, and by all accounts a larger transfer kitty. You said yourself that they backed down and gave koeman a bigger kitty, so why wouldn't they have done the same to MP? The only 'vision' that MP is interested in is the one that sees him in charge of Barcelona in a couple of years time! He had the chance to get this club going places but for his 'vision' to happen he needs to be at a higher profile club. Barcelona wont sign a manager from us, their fans wouldn't like it, but they wouldn't mind signing spuds manager, he did what HE needed to do for himself! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 3

11:09am Sun 29 Jun 14

Confucious says...

My Uncle Chiang, who works for the Shanghai Waste Recycling Corporation, has just informed me that they've just bought three large sacks of plastic from Saints. Inside the sacks he found many thousands of brand new halves of Saints season tickets.

In every case the micro-chip section was NOT included in the waste. I haven't received mine yet from the club, but it looks as if half of each one will have been sold. I presume having the chip bits intact means the family will still be able to get in, but I still find this very annoying as I paid for four whole tickets.

Uncle Chiang says the back of the card had a photo of the first team and the half which was cut off removed all the Judases - including Spiderman!

Perhaps that's not such a shock right now, but I am concerned about Victor Wanyama. Uncle Chiang says they've cut him in half and unless he dresses to the left he will not start the season with a whole willy or more than one testicle or leg..

My Missus thinks I'm just being daft - because I'm overly jumpy about all that's going on.

She may be right I guess, but nonetheless I've e mailed the club demanding that Victor appears at a press conference and shows us his entire willy and both legs.
My Uncle Chiang, who works for the Shanghai Waste Recycling Corporation, has just informed me that they've just bought three large sacks of plastic from Saints. Inside the sacks he found many thousands of brand new halves of Saints season tickets. In every case the micro-chip section was NOT included in the waste. I haven't received mine yet from the club, but it looks as if half of each one will have been sold. I presume having the chip bits intact means the family will still be able to get in, but I still find this very annoying as I paid for four whole tickets. Uncle Chiang says the back of the card had a photo of the first team and the half which was cut off removed all the Judases - including Spiderman! Perhaps that's not such a shock right now, but I am concerned about Victor Wanyama. Uncle Chiang says they've cut him in half and unless he dresses to the left he will not start the season with a whole willy or more than one testicle or leg.. My Missus thinks I'm just being daft - because I'm overly jumpy about all that's going on. She may be right I guess, but nonetheless I've e mailed the club demanding that Victor appears at a press conference and shows us his entire willy and both legs. Confucious
  • Score: 0

11:09am Sun 29 Jun 14

sisaydo1 says...

3 or 4 weeks ago I said this would happen, That Reed and Co would sell or of our talent, and pretty much all of you gave me the thumbs down and quoted things like in Saints we trust! I said we need to wake up and smell the coffee and now most of you are realizing that I was right, I do not like to remind you but I was right.
3 or 4 weeks ago I said this would happen, That Reed and Co would sell or of our talent, and pretty much all of you gave me the thumbs down and quoted things like in Saints we trust! I said we need to wake up and smell the coffee and now most of you are realizing that I was right, I do not like to remind you but I was right. sisaydo1
  • Score: -1

11:11am Sun 29 Jun 14

warrens 76 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that?

We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them?

We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?
If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain.

I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black.
It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate.
Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players.
32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along.
Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.
They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made.

You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay?

PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.
Yep, we like to boast we are the biggest club in the South..well next year BHA increase the AMEX to 35.500, they planned for success, we on the other hand seem determined to throw away yet another opportunity.

Ted Bates and the board turned down a new ground in the 60's

Lawrie Mac needed one more player to win the league (Worthington) did not sign him and the bust up resulted in us losing Keegan.

We build a new ground to a capacity in keeping with a high Championship, very low premiership level..

We lose the best scout in the country to Fulham, we lose our ruthless but brilliant chairman, we lose our manager our captain our leading goalscorer the countries best left back, almost certainly Spider and Lovren to follow, disaster would be an understatement…

The Emirates is a sensational stadium it's hospitality out of this world, indeed it's corporate seats alone earn more than our entire stadium, such a good day out that even Spurs fans have season tickets there..

Our's by comparison is a joke, I eat at Oxford brasserie because the food is rubbish at St Mary's, as for the rules and regs and officious officials well 5od that..Arsenal do everything to make the day a wonderful experience…so we lose a fortune at the most profitable end of the fan spend..

Then the marketing to the South's kids is hopeless, the club should be on a permanent mission to every south and south west school about loyalty and local identity…so rubbish at this as well

Sponsership, I used to personally earn more than our latest sponsers turnover…hopeless.


Fans treatment, club connectivity…we were always useless at this ..but at least it's a tradition the board want to keep going..

All in all our club is behind the scenes an utter shambles
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that? We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them? We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?[/p][/quote]If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain. I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black. It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate. Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players. 32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along. Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.[/p][/quote]They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made. You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay? PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.[/p][/quote]Yep, we like to boast we are the biggest club in the South..well next year BHA increase the AMEX to 35.500, they planned for success, we on the other hand seem determined to throw away yet another opportunity. Ted Bates and the board turned down a new ground in the 60's Lawrie Mac needed one more player to win the league (Worthington) did not sign him and the bust up resulted in us losing Keegan. We build a new ground to a capacity in keeping with a high Championship, very low premiership level.. We lose the best scout in the country to Fulham, we lose our ruthless but brilliant chairman, we lose our manager our captain our leading goalscorer the countries best left back, almost certainly Spider and Lovren to follow, disaster would be an understatement… The Emirates is a sensational stadium it's hospitality out of this world, indeed it's corporate seats alone earn more than our entire stadium, such a good day out that even Spurs fans have season tickets there.. Our's by comparison is a joke, I eat at Oxford brasserie because the food is rubbish at St Mary's, as for the rules and regs and officious officials well 5od that..Arsenal do everything to make the day a wonderful experience…so we lose a fortune at the most profitable end of the fan spend.. Then the marketing to the South's kids is hopeless, the club should be on a permanent mission to every south and south west school about loyalty and local identity…so rubbish at this as well Sponsership, I used to personally earn more than our latest sponsers turnover…hopeless. Fans treatment, club connectivity…we were always useless at this ..but at least it's a tradition the board want to keep going.. All in all our club is behind the scenes an utter shambles warrens 76
  • Score: 0

11:13am Sun 29 Jun 14

sisaydo1 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that?

We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them?

We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?
If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain.

I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black.
It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate.
Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players.
32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along.
Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.
They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made.

You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay?

PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.
Oh come on seed this 'vision' thing is a little tired now don't you think?
Just an excuse to leave I'm afraid!
MP wanted to leave as soon as NC left its as simple as that, he said as much previously, yet people think he had a miraculous u turn. MP only ever saw us as a stepping stone to another club. He was asked many times in the days and months if he was going to stay or sign a new contract, his usual response was to chuckle to himself and say he was a decent man and had a contract to honour. So did he honour his contract? Yes he bl00dy did! He never meant the length of the contract, he always meant that he wanted to quit but there was a 'fine' of £2mill (this summer, more in Jan) clause in his contract and he had to honour that! He didn't want to pay it himself so waited for his next stepping stone to come along and pay it for him, spuds were his unlucky victim.
The board made it clear that the 'vision' you keep mentioning is still in place and they are still aiming for European football, only this time with a manager who doesn't mind the Europa league!
MP was offered a larger contract here than he has at spuds, and by all accounts a larger transfer kitty. You said yourself that they backed down and gave koeman a bigger kitty, so why wouldn't they have done the same to MP?
The only 'vision' that MP is interested in is the one that sees him in charge of Barcelona in a couple of years time! He had the chance to get this club going places but for his 'vision' to happen he needs to be at a higher profile club. Barcelona wont sign a manager from us, their fans wouldn't like it, but they wouldn't mind signing spuds manager, he did what HE needed to do for himself!
No, MoPo did not use us as a stepping stone, he would still be at our club if Miss Liebherr had let Cortese do his job rather than think she could do it better! It is her little circus that has ruined what Cortese built.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that? We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them? We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?[/p][/quote]If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain. I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black. It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate. Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players. 32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along. Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.[/p][/quote]They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made. You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay? PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.[/p][/quote]Oh come on seed this 'vision' thing is a little tired now don't you think? Just an excuse to leave I'm afraid! MP wanted to leave as soon as NC left its as simple as that, he said as much previously, yet people think he had a miraculous u turn. MP only ever saw us as a stepping stone to another club. He was asked many times in the days and months if he was going to stay or sign a new contract, his usual response was to chuckle to himself and say he was a decent man and had a contract to honour. So did he honour his contract? Yes he bl00dy did! He never meant the length of the contract, he always meant that he wanted to quit but there was a 'fine' of £2mill (this summer, more in Jan) clause in his contract and he had to honour that! He didn't want to pay it himself so waited for his next stepping stone to come along and pay it for him, spuds were his unlucky victim. The board made it clear that the 'vision' you keep mentioning is still in place and they are still aiming for European football, only this time with a manager who doesn't mind the Europa league! MP was offered a larger contract here than he has at spuds, and by all accounts a larger transfer kitty. You said yourself that they backed down and gave koeman a bigger kitty, so why wouldn't they have done the same to MP? The only 'vision' that MP is interested in is the one that sees him in charge of Barcelona in a couple of years time! He had the chance to get this club going places but for his 'vision' to happen he needs to be at a higher profile club. Barcelona wont sign a manager from us, their fans wouldn't like it, but they wouldn't mind signing spuds manager, he did what HE needed to do for himself![/p][/quote]No, MoPo did not use us as a stepping stone, he would still be at our club if Miss Liebherr had let Cortese do his job rather than think she could do it better! It is her little circus that has ruined what Cortese built. sisaydo1
  • Score: 1

11:23am Sun 29 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

sisaydo1 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that?

We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them?

We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?
If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain.

I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black.
It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate.
Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players.
32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along.
Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.
They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made.

You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay?

PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.
Oh come on seed this 'vision' thing is a little tired now don't you think?
Just an excuse to leave I'm afraid!
MP wanted to leave as soon as NC left its as simple as that, he said as much previously, yet people think he had a miraculous u turn. MP only ever saw us as a stepping stone to another club. He was asked many times in the days and months if he was going to stay or sign a new contract, his usual response was to chuckle to himself and say he was a decent man and had a contract to honour. So did he honour his contract? Yes he bl00dy did! He never meant the length of the contract, he always meant that he wanted to quit but there was a 'fine' of £2mill (this summer, more in Jan) clause in his contract and he had to honour that! He didn't want to pay it himself so waited for his next stepping stone to come along and pay it for him, spuds were his unlucky victim.
The board made it clear that the 'vision' you keep mentioning is still in place and they are still aiming for European football, only this time with a manager who doesn't mind the Europa league!
MP was offered a larger contract here than he has at spuds, and by all accounts a larger transfer kitty. You said yourself that they backed down and gave koeman a bigger kitty, so why wouldn't they have done the same to MP?
The only 'vision' that MP is interested in is the one that sees him in charge of Barcelona in a couple of years time! He had the chance to get this club going places but for his 'vision' to happen he needs to be at a higher profile club. Barcelona wont sign a manager from us, their fans wouldn't like it, but they wouldn't mind signing spuds manager, he did what HE needed to do for himself!
No, MoPo did not use us as a stepping stone, he would still be at our club if Miss Liebherr had let Cortese do his job rather than think she could do it better! It is her little circus that has ruined what Cortese built.
Yep.
[quote][p][bold]sisaydo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that? We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them? We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?[/p][/quote]If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain. I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black. It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate. Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players. 32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along. Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.[/p][/quote]They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made. You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay? PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.[/p][/quote]Oh come on seed this 'vision' thing is a little tired now don't you think? Just an excuse to leave I'm afraid! MP wanted to leave as soon as NC left its as simple as that, he said as much previously, yet people think he had a miraculous u turn. MP only ever saw us as a stepping stone to another club. He was asked many times in the days and months if he was going to stay or sign a new contract, his usual response was to chuckle to himself and say he was a decent man and had a contract to honour. So did he honour his contract? Yes he bl00dy did! He never meant the length of the contract, he always meant that he wanted to quit but there was a 'fine' of £2mill (this summer, more in Jan) clause in his contract and he had to honour that! He didn't want to pay it himself so waited for his next stepping stone to come along and pay it for him, spuds were his unlucky victim. The board made it clear that the 'vision' you keep mentioning is still in place and they are still aiming for European football, only this time with a manager who doesn't mind the Europa league! MP was offered a larger contract here than he has at spuds, and by all accounts a larger transfer kitty. You said yourself that they backed down and gave koeman a bigger kitty, so why wouldn't they have done the same to MP? The only 'vision' that MP is interested in is the one that sees him in charge of Barcelona in a couple of years time! He had the chance to get this club going places but for his 'vision' to happen he needs to be at a higher profile club. Barcelona wont sign a manager from us, their fans wouldn't like it, but they wouldn't mind signing spuds manager, he did what HE needed to do for himself![/p][/quote]No, MoPo did not use us as a stepping stone, he would still be at our club if Miss Liebherr had let Cortese do his job rather than think she could do it better! It is her little circus that has ruined what Cortese built.[/p][/quote]Yep. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

11:24am Sun 29 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that?

We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them?

We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?
If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain.

I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black.
It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate.
Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players.
32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along.
Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.
They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made.

You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay?

PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.
Yep, we like to boast we are the biggest club in the South..well next year BHA increase the AMEX to 35.500, they planned for success, we on the other hand seem determined to throw away yet another opportunity.

Ted Bates and the board turned down a new ground in the 60's

Lawrie Mac needed one more player to win the league (Worthington) did not sign him and the bust up resulted in us losing Keegan.

We build a new ground to a capacity in keeping with a high Championship, very low premiership level..

We lose the best scout in the country to Fulham, we lose our ruthless but brilliant chairman, we lose our manager our captain our leading goalscorer the countries best left back, almost certainly Spider and Lovren to follow, disaster would be an understatement…

The Emirates is a sensational stadium it's hospitality out of this world, indeed it's corporate seats alone earn more than our entire stadium, such a good day out that even Spurs fans have season tickets there..

Our's by comparison is a joke, I eat at Oxford brasserie because the food is rubbish at St Mary's, as for the rules and regs and officious officials well 5od that..Arsenal do everything to make the day a wonderful experience…so we lose a fortune at the most profitable end of the fan spend..

Then the marketing to the South's kids is hopeless, the club should be on a permanent mission to every south and south west school about loyalty and local identity…so rubbish at this as well

Sponsership, I used to personally earn more than our latest sponsers turnover…hopeless.



Fans treatment, club connectivity…we were always useless at this ..but at least it's a tradition the board want to keep going..

All in all our club is behind the scenes an utter shambles
Yep.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that? We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them? We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?[/p][/quote]If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain. I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black. It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate. Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players. 32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along. Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.[/p][/quote]They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made. You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay? PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.[/p][/quote]Yep, we like to boast we are the biggest club in the South..well next year BHA increase the AMEX to 35.500, they planned for success, we on the other hand seem determined to throw away yet another opportunity. Ted Bates and the board turned down a new ground in the 60's Lawrie Mac needed one more player to win the league (Worthington) did not sign him and the bust up resulted in us losing Keegan. We build a new ground to a capacity in keeping with a high Championship, very low premiership level.. We lose the best scout in the country to Fulham, we lose our ruthless but brilliant chairman, we lose our manager our captain our leading goalscorer the countries best left back, almost certainly Spider and Lovren to follow, disaster would be an understatement… The Emirates is a sensational stadium it's hospitality out of this world, indeed it's corporate seats alone earn more than our entire stadium, such a good day out that even Spurs fans have season tickets there.. Our's by comparison is a joke, I eat at Oxford brasserie because the food is rubbish at St Mary's, as for the rules and regs and officious officials well 5od that..Arsenal do everything to make the day a wonderful experience…so we lose a fortune at the most profitable end of the fan spend.. Then the marketing to the South's kids is hopeless, the club should be on a permanent mission to every south and south west school about loyalty and local identity…so rubbish at this as well Sponsership, I used to personally earn more than our latest sponsers turnover…hopeless. Fans treatment, club connectivity…we were always useless at this ..but at least it's a tradition the board want to keep going.. All in all our club is behind the scenes an utter shambles[/p][/quote]Yep. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

11:39am Sun 29 Jun 14

freeroamer says...

When Cortese left many people knew it was a huge upheaval for the club I love so much. Pochettino was rumoured to leave straight away, but he stayed this season out, knowing he was always going to leave for probably Spurs. ( always felt it would be Spurs as in Argentina they are a favourite club die to Ossie Armies, famous from the world cup in 1978 I believe.) I was pretty convinced Pochettino was going after the player awards, when he failed to make any stage appearance this year.
Many of our players joined due to Corteses vision. What is happening now was always on the cards. Cortese leaving means we are now entering a new phase. New players and a new manager. I'm staying positive. Change is always hard. I'm positive. I have to believe that Ronald will drive this club forward again.
When Cortese left many people knew it was a huge upheaval for the club I love so much. Pochettino was rumoured to leave straight away, but he stayed this season out, knowing he was always going to leave for probably Spurs. ( always felt it would be Spurs as in Argentina they are a favourite club die to Ossie Armies, famous from the world cup in 1978 I believe.) I was pretty convinced Pochettino was going after the player awards, when he failed to make any stage appearance this year. Many of our players joined due to Corteses vision. What is happening now was always on the cards. Cortese leaving means we are now entering a new phase. New players and a new manager. I'm staying positive. Change is always hard. I'm positive. I have to believe that Ronald will drive this club forward again. freeroamer
  • Score: 1

11:42am Sun 29 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that?

We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them?

We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?
If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain.

I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black.
It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate.
Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players.
32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along.
Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.
They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made.

You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay?

PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.
Yep, we like to boast we are the biggest club in the South..well next year BHA increase the AMEX to 35.500, they planned for success, we on the other hand seem determined to throw away yet another opportunity.

Ted Bates and the board turned down a new ground in the 60's

Lawrie Mac needed one more player to win the league (Worthington) did not sign him and the bust up resulted in us losing Keegan.

We build a new ground to a capacity in keeping with a high Championship, very low premiership level..

We lose the best scout in the country to Fulham, we lose our ruthless but brilliant chairman, we lose our manager our captain our leading goalscorer the countries best left back, almost certainly Spider and Lovren to follow, disaster would be an understatement…

The Emirates is a sensational stadium it's hospitality out of this world, indeed it's corporate seats alone earn more than our entire stadium, such a good day out that even Spurs fans have season tickets there..

Our's by comparison is a joke, I eat at Oxford brasserie because the food is rubbish at St Mary's, as for the rules and regs and officious officials well 5od that..Arsenal do everything to make the day a wonderful experience…so we lose a fortune at the most profitable end of the fan spend..

Then the marketing to the South's kids is hopeless, the club should be on a permanent mission to every south and south west school about loyalty and local identity…so rubbish at this as well

Sponsership, I used to personally earn more than our latest sponsers turnover…hopeless.




Fans treatment, club connectivity…we were always useless at this ..but at least it's a tradition the board want to keep going..

All in all our club is behind the scenes an utter shambles
Yep.
And I can only agree with everything you are saying here but it still doesn't hide the facts that we have a 32k stadium that frequenlty is not filled. If we had a 42k stadium it would be better but all of the clubs we would like to compete against are looking at 50k or more grounds. Southampton does not have the fan base for that we would never come close to filling it.
If there were more bums on seats I would be voting you in as chairman because of your views but we don't. I had a business which look pretty good until I was faced with competition from national orgs - the writing was on the wall - I had to lower my expectations or give up. We don't want Saints to give so we have to lower our expectations.
Unless the people of Hampshire show they are willing to give us a far greater fan base than we currently enjoy.

If only it were more like the film - Build it and the people will come - I'm afraid that's best left as a film line. I wish there were 50k plus people who were as ardent as you and I but the fact is there aren't and the club's best marketing efforts have not produced anywhere near that nr.
I think we could add (and I'm assured it's possible though expensive) a few thousand and see if the demand will meet the supply but that has to be done cautiously.
Personally I think we sold ourselves short and could have a more aesthetically pleasing and slightly larger stadium but I'm not complaining too loudly because I can remember the Dell. Look at Brightons stadium it falls under the heading of outstandingly lovely to look at. Ours was maximum seats for the least money.
Behind the scenes doesn't inspire confidence and we could do more to get kids involved and hooked for life in the same way I have been.
If I were in charge - I would look for another site or totally rebluild the stadium for 60k and drop the prices to families going again and with free entry to youngsters - but who's going to listen to you and I?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that? We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them? We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?[/p][/quote]If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain. I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black. It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate. Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players. 32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along. Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.[/p][/quote]They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made. You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay? PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.[/p][/quote]Yep, we like to boast we are the biggest club in the South..well next year BHA increase the AMEX to 35.500, they planned for success, we on the other hand seem determined to throw away yet another opportunity. Ted Bates and the board turned down a new ground in the 60's Lawrie Mac needed one more player to win the league (Worthington) did not sign him and the bust up resulted in us losing Keegan. We build a new ground to a capacity in keeping with a high Championship, very low premiership level.. We lose the best scout in the country to Fulham, we lose our ruthless but brilliant chairman, we lose our manager our captain our leading goalscorer the countries best left back, almost certainly Spider and Lovren to follow, disaster would be an understatement… The Emirates is a sensational stadium it's hospitality out of this world, indeed it's corporate seats alone earn more than our entire stadium, such a good day out that even Spurs fans have season tickets there.. Our's by comparison is a joke, I eat at Oxford brasserie because the food is rubbish at St Mary's, as for the rules and regs and officious officials well 5od that..Arsenal do everything to make the day a wonderful experience…so we lose a fortune at the most profitable end of the fan spend.. Then the marketing to the South's kids is hopeless, the club should be on a permanent mission to every south and south west school about loyalty and local identity…so rubbish at this as well Sponsership, I used to personally earn more than our latest sponsers turnover…hopeless. Fans treatment, club connectivity…we were always useless at this ..but at least it's a tradition the board want to keep going.. All in all our club is behind the scenes an utter shambles[/p][/quote]Yep.[/p][/quote]And I can only agree with everything you are saying here but it still doesn't hide the facts that we have a 32k stadium that frequenlty is not filled. If we had a 42k stadium it would be better but all of the clubs we would like to compete against are looking at 50k or more grounds. Southampton does not have the fan base for that we would never come close to filling it. If there were more bums on seats I would be voting you in as chairman because of your views but we don't. I had a business which look pretty good until I was faced with competition from national orgs - the writing was on the wall - I had to lower my expectations or give up. We don't want Saints to give so we have to lower our expectations. Unless the people of Hampshire show they are willing to give us a far greater fan base than we currently enjoy. If only it were more like the film - Build it and the people will come - I'm afraid that's best left as a film line. I wish there were 50k plus people who were as ardent as you and I but the fact is there aren't and the club's best marketing efforts have not produced anywhere near that nr. I think we could add (and I'm assured it's possible though expensive) a few thousand and see if the demand will meet the supply but that has to be done cautiously. Personally I think we sold ourselves short and could have a more aesthetically pleasing and slightly larger stadium but I'm not complaining too loudly because I can remember the Dell. Look at Brightons stadium it falls under the heading of outstandingly lovely to look at. Ours was maximum seats for the least money. Behind the scenes doesn't inspire confidence and we could do more to get kids involved and hooked for life in the same way I have been. If I were in charge - I would look for another site or totally rebluild the stadium for 60k and drop the prices to families going again and with free entry to youngsters - but who's going to listen to you and I? jls217
  • Score: -2

11:59am Sun 29 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
sisaydo1 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that?

We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them?

We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?
If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain.

I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black.
It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate.
Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players.
32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along.
Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.
They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made.

You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay?

PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.
Oh come on seed this 'vision' thing is a little tired now don't you think?
Just an excuse to leave I'm afraid!
MP wanted to leave as soon as NC left its as simple as that, he said as much previously, yet people think he had a miraculous u turn. MP only ever saw us as a stepping stone to another club. He was asked many times in the days and months if he was going to stay or sign a new contract, his usual response was to chuckle to himself and say he was a decent man and had a contract to honour. So did he honour his contract? Yes he bl00dy did! He never meant the length of the contract, he always meant that he wanted to quit but there was a 'fine' of £2mill (this summer, more in Jan) clause in his contract and he had to honour that! He didn't want to pay it himself so waited for his next stepping stone to come along and pay it for him, spuds were his unlucky victim.
The board made it clear that the 'vision' you keep mentioning is still in place and they are still aiming for European football, only this time with a manager who doesn't mind the Europa league!
MP was offered a larger contract here than he has at spuds, and by all accounts a larger transfer kitty. You said yourself that they backed down and gave koeman a bigger kitty, so why wouldn't they have done the same to MP?
The only 'vision' that MP is interested in is the one that sees him in charge of Barcelona in a couple of years time! He had the chance to get this club going places but for his 'vision' to happen he needs to be at a higher profile club. Barcelona wont sign a manager from us, their fans wouldn't like it, but they wouldn't mind signing spuds manager, he did what HE needed to do for himself!
No, MoPo did not use us as a stepping stone, he would still be at our club if Miss Liebherr had let Cortese do his job rather than think she could do it better! It is her little circus that has ruined what Cortese built.
Yep.
No no no no!
NC quit because he didn't want KL having a seat on the board!
What sort of employee has the right to tell the owner of a company that she cant have a non-executive role?
He spat the dummy out because she wanted to know where and how HER money was being spent!
Would a CEO of Microsoft tell Bill gates that he cant sit on the board? What about beardy Branson, he doesn't do the day to day running of all of his virgin empire, but he sits on the boards and helps and advises his employees!
NC was an employee who had total control over how someone else's money was spent.
Seed would you let anyone not tell you how they were going to run any of your companies and that you would not have any input but would still have to sign the cheques? Of course not!
KL said that she wanted NC to stay on and continue his good work and was sad that he chose not to.
To blame KL for NC leaving is just wrong and false!
Seed you know full well, as you told us, that NC was in charge of the club and in charge of the 'trust' which ran the club whilst ML's will was intestate.that made him his own boss and he was happy with that until KL took over as owner.
KL doesn't think she can do NC's job 'better' if she did she would be executive chairwoman of the club and holding company. Instead she has appointed a full board to do that for her and she is just a non-executive chairwoman.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sisaydo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that? We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them? We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?[/p][/quote]If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain. I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black. It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate. Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players. 32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along. Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.[/p][/quote]They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made. You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay? PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.[/p][/quote]Oh come on seed this 'vision' thing is a little tired now don't you think? Just an excuse to leave I'm afraid! MP wanted to leave as soon as NC left its as simple as that, he said as much previously, yet people think he had a miraculous u turn. MP only ever saw us as a stepping stone to another club. He was asked many times in the days and months if he was going to stay or sign a new contract, his usual response was to chuckle to himself and say he was a decent man and had a contract to honour. So did he honour his contract? Yes he bl00dy did! He never meant the length of the contract, he always meant that he wanted to quit but there was a 'fine' of £2mill (this summer, more in Jan) clause in his contract and he had to honour that! He didn't want to pay it himself so waited for his next stepping stone to come along and pay it for him, spuds were his unlucky victim. The board made it clear that the 'vision' you keep mentioning is still in place and they are still aiming for European football, only this time with a manager who doesn't mind the Europa league! MP was offered a larger contract here than he has at spuds, and by all accounts a larger transfer kitty. You said yourself that they backed down and gave koeman a bigger kitty, so why wouldn't they have done the same to MP? The only 'vision' that MP is interested in is the one that sees him in charge of Barcelona in a couple of years time! He had the chance to get this club going places but for his 'vision' to happen he needs to be at a higher profile club. Barcelona wont sign a manager from us, their fans wouldn't like it, but they wouldn't mind signing spuds manager, he did what HE needed to do for himself![/p][/quote]No, MoPo did not use us as a stepping stone, he would still be at our club if Miss Liebherr had let Cortese do his job rather than think she could do it better! It is her little circus that has ruined what Cortese built.[/p][/quote]Yep.[/p][/quote]No no no no! NC quit because he didn't want KL having a seat on the board! What sort of employee has the right to tell the owner of a company that she cant have a non-executive role? He spat the dummy out because she wanted to know where and how HER money was being spent! Would a CEO of Microsoft tell Bill gates that he cant sit on the board? What about beardy Branson, he doesn't do the day to day running of all of his virgin empire, but he sits on the boards and helps and advises his employees! NC was an employee who had total control over how someone else's money was spent. Seed would you let anyone not tell you how they were going to run any of your companies and that you would not have any input but would still have to sign the cheques? Of course not! KL said that she wanted NC to stay on and continue his good work and was sad that he chose not to. To blame KL for NC leaving is just wrong and false! Seed you know full well, as you told us, that NC was in charge of the club and in charge of the 'trust' which ran the club whilst ML's will was intestate.that made him his own boss and he was happy with that until KL took over as owner. KL doesn't think she can do NC's job 'better' if she did she would be executive chairwoman of the club and holding company. Instead she has appointed a full board to do that for her and she is just a non-executive chairwoman. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -1

12:09pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that?

We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them?

We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?
If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain.

I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black.
It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate.
Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players.
32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along.
Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.
They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made.

You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay?

PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.
Yep, we like to boast we are the biggest club in the South..well next year BHA increase the AMEX to 35.500, they planned for success, we on the other hand seem determined to throw away yet another opportunity.

Ted Bates and the board turned down a new ground in the 60's

Lawrie Mac needed one more player to win the league (Worthington) did not sign him and the bust up resulted in us losing Keegan.

We build a new ground to a capacity in keeping with a high Championship, very low premiership level..

We lose the best scout in the country to Fulham, we lose our ruthless but brilliant chairman, we lose our manager our captain our leading goalscorer the countries best left back, almost certainly Spider and Lovren to follow, disaster would be an understatement…

The Emirates is a sensational stadium it's hospitality out of this world, indeed it's corporate seats alone earn more than our entire stadium, such a good day out that even Spurs fans have season tickets there..

Our's by comparison is a joke, I eat at Oxford brasserie because the food is rubbish at St Mary's, as for the rules and regs and officious officials well 5od that..Arsenal do everything to make the day a wonderful experience…so we lose a fortune at the most profitable end of the fan spend..

Then the marketing to the South's kids is hopeless, the club should be on a permanent mission to every south and south west school about loyalty and local identity…so rubbish at this as well

Sponsership, I used to personally earn more than our latest sponsers turnover…hopeless.





Fans treatment, club connectivity…we were always useless at this ..but at least it's a tradition the board want to keep going..

All in all our club is behind the scenes an utter shambles
Yep.
And I can only agree with everything you are saying here but it still doesn't hide the facts that we have a 32k stadium that frequenlty is not filled. If we had a 42k stadium it would be better but all of the clubs we would like to compete against are looking at 50k or more grounds. Southampton does not have the fan base for that we would never come close to filling it.
If there were more bums on seats I would be voting you in as chairman because of your views but we don't. I had a business which look pretty good until I was faced with competition from national orgs - the writing was on the wall - I had to lower my expectations or give up. We don't want Saints to give so we have to lower our expectations.
Unless the people of Hampshire show they are willing to give us a far greater fan base than we currently enjoy.

If only it were more like the film - Build it and the people will come - I'm afraid that's best left as a film line. I wish there were 50k plus people who were as ardent as you and I but the fact is there aren't and the club's best marketing efforts have not produced anywhere near that nr.
I think we could add (and I'm assured it's possible though expensive) a few thousand and see if the demand will meet the supply but that has to be done cautiously.
Personally I think we sold ourselves short and could have a more aesthetically pleasing and slightly larger stadium but I'm not complaining too loudly because I can remember the Dell. Look at Brightons stadium it falls under the heading of outstandingly lovely to look at. Ours was maximum seats for the least money.
Behind the scenes doesn't inspire confidence and we could do more to get kids involved and hooked for life in the same way I have been.
If I were in charge - I would look for another site or totally rebluild the stadium for 60k and drop the prices to families going again and with free entry to youngsters - but who's going to listen to you and I?
Ah yes, filling the stadium. As a fan of NC - but not a sycophant - it pains me to say that perhaps his biggest blunder was that he seemed unable or unwilling to set prices according to demand. League Cup matches (for example) were well overpriced.

Also, does anyone remember him moving the MK Dons JPT semi by a week 'for TV-revenue purposes'? It had been set for half-term - when kids (including mine) could have had a late Wednesday night. He moved it to term time and it didn't attract the TV cameras - nor me and my lads because I was back home here in France. Dumb or what!

One thing that would restore some faith in the new board is if they do get ticket prices right and, thus, attract more fans to matches. They could also improve relations with local schools whilst they're at it. And, whilst I have no experience of corporate hospitality (except once at Highbury) and don't often bother with the stadium catering, Warrens and I have discussed this before and I've no doubt he's right about the averageness of SMS. These thing count if we're ever to fill a 45,000 stadium on a regular basis.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that? We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them? We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?[/p][/quote]If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain. I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black. It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate. Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players. 32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along. Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.[/p][/quote]They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made. You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay? PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.[/p][/quote]Yep, we like to boast we are the biggest club in the South..well next year BHA increase the AMEX to 35.500, they planned for success, we on the other hand seem determined to throw away yet another opportunity. Ted Bates and the board turned down a new ground in the 60's Lawrie Mac needed one more player to win the league (Worthington) did not sign him and the bust up resulted in us losing Keegan. We build a new ground to a capacity in keeping with a high Championship, very low premiership level.. We lose the best scout in the country to Fulham, we lose our ruthless but brilliant chairman, we lose our manager our captain our leading goalscorer the countries best left back, almost certainly Spider and Lovren to follow, disaster would be an understatement… The Emirates is a sensational stadium it's hospitality out of this world, indeed it's corporate seats alone earn more than our entire stadium, such a good day out that even Spurs fans have season tickets there.. Our's by comparison is a joke, I eat at Oxford brasserie because the food is rubbish at St Mary's, as for the rules and regs and officious officials well 5od that..Arsenal do everything to make the day a wonderful experience…so we lose a fortune at the most profitable end of the fan spend.. Then the marketing to the South's kids is hopeless, the club should be on a permanent mission to every south and south west school about loyalty and local identity…so rubbish at this as well Sponsership, I used to personally earn more than our latest sponsers turnover…hopeless. Fans treatment, club connectivity…we were always useless at this ..but at least it's a tradition the board want to keep going.. All in all our club is behind the scenes an utter shambles[/p][/quote]Yep.[/p][/quote]And I can only agree with everything you are saying here but it still doesn't hide the facts that we have a 32k stadium that frequenlty is not filled. If we had a 42k stadium it would be better but all of the clubs we would like to compete against are looking at 50k or more grounds. Southampton does not have the fan base for that we would never come close to filling it. If there were more bums on seats I would be voting you in as chairman because of your views but we don't. I had a business which look pretty good until I was faced with competition from national orgs - the writing was on the wall - I had to lower my expectations or give up. We don't want Saints to give so we have to lower our expectations. Unless the people of Hampshire show they are willing to give us a far greater fan base than we currently enjoy. If only it were more like the film - Build it and the people will come - I'm afraid that's best left as a film line. I wish there were 50k plus people who were as ardent as you and I but the fact is there aren't and the club's best marketing efforts have not produced anywhere near that nr. I think we could add (and I'm assured it's possible though expensive) a few thousand and see if the demand will meet the supply but that has to be done cautiously. Personally I think we sold ourselves short and could have a more aesthetically pleasing and slightly larger stadium but I'm not complaining too loudly because I can remember the Dell. Look at Brightons stadium it falls under the heading of outstandingly lovely to look at. Ours was maximum seats for the least money. Behind the scenes doesn't inspire confidence and we could do more to get kids involved and hooked for life in the same way I have been. If I were in charge - I would look for another site or totally rebluild the stadium for 60k and drop the prices to families going again and with free entry to youngsters - but who's going to listen to you and I?[/p][/quote]Ah yes, filling the stadium. As a fan of NC - but not a sycophant - it pains me to say that perhaps his biggest blunder was that he seemed unable or unwilling to set prices according to demand. League Cup matches (for example) were well overpriced. Also, does anyone remember him moving the MK Dons JPT semi by a week 'for TV-revenue purposes'? It had been set for half-term - when kids (including mine) could have had a late Wednesday night. He moved it to term time and it didn't attract the TV cameras - nor me and my lads because I was back home here in France. Dumb or what! One thing that would restore some faith in the new board is if they do get ticket prices right and, thus, attract more fans to matches. They could also improve relations with local schools whilst they're at it. And, whilst I have no experience of corporate hospitality (except once at Highbury) and don't often bother with the stadium catering, Warrens and I have discussed this before and I've no doubt he's right about the averageness of SMS. These thing count if we're ever to fill a 45,000 stadium on a regular basis. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: -4

1:04pm Sun 29 Jun 14

saintlysoul says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I've not heard of the Lallana deal completing. Wouldn't it be awesome if he failed the medical with his lack of heart problem? He'd come back here with his tail between his legs and we could torment him all season!
A glimmer of humour amid all your doom and gloom. Thanks. I enjoyed that.
It's done!
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I've not heard of the Lallana deal completing. Wouldn't it be awesome if he failed the medical with his lack of heart problem? He'd come back here with his tail between his legs and we could torment him all season![/p][/quote]A glimmer of humour amid all your doom and gloom. Thanks. I enjoyed that.[/p][/quote]It's done! saintlysoul
  • Score: -1

1:10pm Sun 29 Jun 14

cotswoldsaint says...

cotswoldsaint wrote:
Just remove the "in Brazil" from this headline and it could be recycled for later next week the way things are going. Except, of course, it won't be Schneiderlin who's the last man standing! Possibly Kelv??
It was meant to be an ironic comment. Obviously lost on some people. Never mind.
[quote][p][bold]cotswoldsaint[/bold] wrote: Just remove the "in Brazil" from this headline and it could be recycled for later next week the way things are going. Except, of course, it won't be Schneiderlin who's the last man standing! Possibly Kelv??[/p][/quote]It was meant to be an ironic comment. Obviously lost on some people. Never mind. cotswoldsaint
  • Score: -2

3:46pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Rising_Son says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I've not heard of the Lallana deal completing. Wouldn't it be awesome if he failed the medical with his lack of heart problem? He'd come back here with his tail between his legs and we could torment him all season!
A glimmer of humour amid all your doom and gloom. Thanks. I enjoyed that.
It's done!
Erm. I think we kind of know that.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I've not heard of the Lallana deal completing. Wouldn't it be awesome if he failed the medical with his lack of heart problem? He'd come back here with his tail between his legs and we could torment him all season![/p][/quote]A glimmer of humour amid all your doom and gloom. Thanks. I enjoyed that.[/p][/quote]It's done![/p][/quote]Erm. I think we kind of know that. Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

4:21pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Bazultra says...

I was born and bred Southampton and love my city but Saints are turning out to be a COMPLETE joke. I am getting nothing but mocking texts and crap %$#@ from fans of Liverpool,manc and Spurs. We really have become the laughing stock of the premier league since the world cup started. Sorry but im certainly not on the bus anymore with all this and the finger has to point to the top. Thanks very much Katerina Liebherr. Ive never been so angry over football. Still I live in hope. One day.................
...COYR
I was born and bred Southampton and love my city but Saints are turning out to be a COMPLETE joke. I am getting nothing but mocking texts and crap %$#@ from fans of Liverpool,manc and Spurs. We really have become the laughing stock of the premier league since the world cup started. Sorry but im certainly not on the bus anymore with all this and the finger has to point to the top. Thanks very much Katerina Liebherr. Ive never been so angry over football. Still I live in hope. One day................. ...COYR Bazultra
  • Score: -3

7:12pm Sun 29 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that?

We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them?

We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?
If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain.

I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black.
It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate.
Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players.
32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along.
Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.
They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made.

You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay?

PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.
Yep, we like to boast we are the biggest club in the South..well next year BHA increase the AMEX to 35.500, they planned for success, we on the other hand seem determined to throw away yet another opportunity.

Ted Bates and the board turned down a new ground in the 60's

Lawrie Mac needed one more player to win the league (Worthington) did not sign him and the bust up resulted in us losing Keegan.

We build a new ground to a capacity in keeping with a high Championship, very low premiership level..

We lose the best scout in the country to Fulham, we lose our ruthless but brilliant chairman, we lose our manager our captain our leading goalscorer the countries best left back, almost certainly Spider and Lovren to follow, disaster would be an understatement…

The Emirates is a sensational stadium it's hospitality out of this world, indeed it's corporate seats alone earn more than our entire stadium, such a good day out that even Spurs fans have season tickets there..

Our's by comparison is a joke, I eat at Oxford brasserie because the food is rubbish at St Mary's, as for the rules and regs and officious officials well 5od that..Arsenal do everything to make the day a wonderful experience…so we lose a fortune at the most profitable end of the fan spend..

Then the marketing to the South's kids is hopeless, the club should be on a permanent mission to every south and south west school about loyalty and local identity…so rubbish at this as well

Sponsership, I used to personally earn more than our latest sponsers turnover…hopeless.






Fans treatment, club connectivity…we were always useless at this ..but at least it's a tradition the board want to keep going..

All in all our club is behind the scenes an utter shambles
Yep.
And I can only agree with everything you are saying here but it still doesn't hide the facts that we have a 32k stadium that frequenlty is not filled. If we had a 42k stadium it would be better but all of the clubs we would like to compete against are looking at 50k or more grounds. Southampton does not have the fan base for that we would never come close to filling it.
If there were more bums on seats I would be voting you in as chairman because of your views but we don't. I had a business which look pretty good until I was faced with competition from national orgs - the writing was on the wall - I had to lower my expectations or give up. We don't want Saints to give so we have to lower our expectations.
Unless the people of Hampshire show they are willing to give us a far greater fan base than we currently enjoy.

If only it were more like the film - Build it and the people will come - I'm afraid that's best left as a film line. I wish there were 50k plus people who were as ardent as you and I but the fact is there aren't and the club's best marketing efforts have not produced anywhere near that nr.
I think we could add (and I'm assured it's possible though expensive) a few thousand and see if the demand will meet the supply but that has to be done cautiously.
Personally I think we sold ourselves short and could have a more aesthetically pleasing and slightly larger stadium but I'm not complaining too loudly because I can remember the Dell. Look at Brightons stadium it falls under the heading of outstandingly lovely to look at. Ours was maximum seats for the least money.
Behind the scenes doesn't inspire confidence and we could do more to get kids involved and hooked for life in the same way I have been.
If I were in charge - I would look for another site or totally rebluild the stadium for 60k and drop the prices to families going again and with free entry to youngsters - but who's going to listen to you and I?
Ah yes, filling the stadium. As a fan of NC - but not a sycophant - it pains me to say that perhaps his biggest blunder was that he seemed unable or unwilling to set prices according to demand. League Cup matches (for example) were well overpriced.

Also, does anyone remember him moving the MK Dons JPT semi by a week 'for TV-revenue purposes'? It had been set for half-term - when kids (including mine) could have had a late Wednesday night. He moved it to term time and it didn't attract the TV cameras - nor me and my lads because I was back home here in France. Dumb or what!

One thing that would restore some faith in the new board is if they do get ticket prices right and, thus, attract more fans to matches. They could also improve relations with local schools whilst they're at it. And, whilst I have no experience of corporate hospitality (except once at Highbury) and don't often bother with the stadium catering, Warrens and I have discussed this before and I've no doubt he's right about the averageness of SMS. These thing count if we're ever to fill a 45,000 stadium on a regular basis.
Don't understand the thumbs down because you are, of course, right.

Add 25k seats. Drop the prices for u12's to next to nowt to get thousands of the local kids into the Saints fold who would not normally bother or can afford to come to games. The club is missing a trick here. They will more than make up that act of generosity over the years as these kids will want a programme, a coke, a shirt, a pencil sharpener etc etc etc. Fathers will be able to take their kids to the games whereas I know quite a few who would love to take their kids with them but go alone and don't buy programmes, drinks or a shirt unless it's a knock off T shirt from the market because nowadays people just cannot afford to do it but prices stay ridiculously high with the reasoning being the club has to pay the players 25k plus a week. Silly way to guarantee nrs and loyalty of customers.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that? We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them? We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?[/p][/quote]If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain. I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black. It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate. Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players. 32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along. Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.[/p][/quote]They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made. You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay? PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.[/p][/quote]Yep, we like to boast we are the biggest club in the South..well next year BHA increase the AMEX to 35.500, they planned for success, we on the other hand seem determined to throw away yet another opportunity. Ted Bates and the board turned down a new ground in the 60's Lawrie Mac needed one more player to win the league (Worthington) did not sign him and the bust up resulted in us losing Keegan. We build a new ground to a capacity in keeping with a high Championship, very low premiership level.. We lose the best scout in the country to Fulham, we lose our ruthless but brilliant chairman, we lose our manager our captain our leading goalscorer the countries best left back, almost certainly Spider and Lovren to follow, disaster would be an understatement… The Emirates is a sensational stadium it's hospitality out of this world, indeed it's corporate seats alone earn more than our entire stadium, such a good day out that even Spurs fans have season tickets there.. Our's by comparison is a joke, I eat at Oxford brasserie because the food is rubbish at St Mary's, as for the rules and regs and officious officials well 5od that..Arsenal do everything to make the day a wonderful experience…so we lose a fortune at the most profitable end of the fan spend.. Then the marketing to the South's kids is hopeless, the club should be on a permanent mission to every south and south west school about loyalty and local identity…so rubbish at this as well Sponsership, I used to personally earn more than our latest sponsers turnover…hopeless. Fans treatment, club connectivity…we were always useless at this ..but at least it's a tradition the board want to keep going.. All in all our club is behind the scenes an utter shambles[/p][/quote]Yep.[/p][/quote]And I can only agree with everything you are saying here but it still doesn't hide the facts that we have a 32k stadium that frequenlty is not filled. If we had a 42k stadium it would be better but all of the clubs we would like to compete against are looking at 50k or more grounds. Southampton does not have the fan base for that we would never come close to filling it. If there were more bums on seats I would be voting you in as chairman because of your views but we don't. I had a business which look pretty good until I was faced with competition from national orgs - the writing was on the wall - I had to lower my expectations or give up. We don't want Saints to give so we have to lower our expectations. Unless the people of Hampshire show they are willing to give us a far greater fan base than we currently enjoy. If only it were more like the film - Build it and the people will come - I'm afraid that's best left as a film line. I wish there were 50k plus people who were as ardent as you and I but the fact is there aren't and the club's best marketing efforts have not produced anywhere near that nr. I think we could add (and I'm assured it's possible though expensive) a few thousand and see if the demand will meet the supply but that has to be done cautiously. Personally I think we sold ourselves short and could have a more aesthetically pleasing and slightly larger stadium but I'm not complaining too loudly because I can remember the Dell. Look at Brightons stadium it falls under the heading of outstandingly lovely to look at. Ours was maximum seats for the least money. Behind the scenes doesn't inspire confidence and we could do more to get kids involved and hooked for life in the same way I have been. If I were in charge - I would look for another site or totally rebluild the stadium for 60k and drop the prices to families going again and with free entry to youngsters - but who's going to listen to you and I?[/p][/quote]Ah yes, filling the stadium. As a fan of NC - but not a sycophant - it pains me to say that perhaps his biggest blunder was that he seemed unable or unwilling to set prices according to demand. League Cup matches (for example) were well overpriced. Also, does anyone remember him moving the MK Dons JPT semi by a week 'for TV-revenue purposes'? It had been set for half-term - when kids (including mine) could have had a late Wednesday night. He moved it to term time and it didn't attract the TV cameras - nor me and my lads because I was back home here in France. Dumb or what! One thing that would restore some faith in the new board is if they do get ticket prices right and, thus, attract more fans to matches. They could also improve relations with local schools whilst they're at it. And, whilst I have no experience of corporate hospitality (except once at Highbury) and don't often bother with the stadium catering, Warrens and I have discussed this before and I've no doubt he's right about the averageness of SMS. These thing count if we're ever to fill a 45,000 stadium on a regular basis.[/p][/quote]Don't understand the thumbs down because you are, of course, right. Add 25k seats. Drop the prices for u12's to next to nowt to get thousands of the local kids into the Saints fold who would not normally bother or can afford to come to games. The club is missing a trick here. They will more than make up that act of generosity over the years as these kids will want a programme, a coke, a shirt, a pencil sharpener etc etc etc. Fathers will be able to take their kids to the games whereas I know quite a few who would love to take their kids with them but go alone and don't buy programmes, drinks or a shirt unless it's a knock off T shirt from the market because nowadays people just cannot afford to do it but prices stay ridiculously high with the reasoning being the club has to pay the players 25k plus a week. Silly way to guarantee nrs and loyalty of customers. jls217
  • Score: 2

8:47pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

jls217 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that?

We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them?

We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?
If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain.

I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black.
It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate.
Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players.
32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along.
Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.
They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made.

You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay?

PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.
Yep, we like to boast we are the biggest club in the South..well next year BHA increase the AMEX to 35.500, they planned for success, we on the other hand seem determined to throw away yet another opportunity.

Ted Bates and the board turned down a new ground in the 60's

Lawrie Mac needed one more player to win the league (Worthington) did not sign him and the bust up resulted in us losing Keegan.

We build a new ground to a capacity in keeping with a high Championship, very low premiership level..

We lose the best scout in the country to Fulham, we lose our ruthless but brilliant chairman, we lose our manager our captain our leading goalscorer the countries best left back, almost certainly Spider and Lovren to follow, disaster would be an understatement…

The Emirates is a sensational stadium it's hospitality out of this world, indeed it's corporate seats alone earn more than our entire stadium, such a good day out that even Spurs fans have season tickets there..

Our's by comparison is a joke, I eat at Oxford brasserie because the food is rubbish at St Mary's, as for the rules and regs and officious officials well 5od that..Arsenal do everything to make the day a wonderful experience…so we lose a fortune at the most profitable end of the fan spend..

Then the marketing to the South's kids is hopeless, the club should be on a permanent mission to every south and south west school about loyalty and local identity…so rubbish at this as well

Sponsership, I used to personally earn more than our latest sponsers turnover…hopeless.







Fans treatment, club connectivity…we were always useless at this ..but at least it's a tradition the board want to keep going..

All in all our club is behind the scenes an utter shambles
Yep.
And I can only agree with everything you are saying here but it still doesn't hide the facts that we have a 32k stadium that frequenlty is not filled. If we had a 42k stadium it would be better but all of the clubs we would like to compete against are looking at 50k or more grounds. Southampton does not have the fan base for that we would never come close to filling it.
If there were more bums on seats I would be voting you in as chairman because of your views but we don't. I had a business which look pretty good until I was faced with competition from national orgs - the writing was on the wall - I had to lower my expectations or give up. We don't want Saints to give so we have to lower our expectations.
Unless the people of Hampshire show they are willing to give us a far greater fan base than we currently enjoy.

If only it were more like the film - Build it and the people will come - I'm afraid that's best left as a film line. I wish there were 50k plus people who were as ardent as you and I but the fact is there aren't and the club's best marketing efforts have not produced anywhere near that nr.
I think we could add (and I'm assured it's possible though expensive) a few thousand and see if the demand will meet the supply but that has to be done cautiously.
Personally I think we sold ourselves short and could have a more aesthetically pleasing and slightly larger stadium but I'm not complaining too loudly because I can remember the Dell. Look at Brightons stadium it falls under the heading of outstandingly lovely to look at. Ours was maximum seats for the least money.
Behind the scenes doesn't inspire confidence and we could do more to get kids involved and hooked for life in the same way I have been.
If I were in charge - I would look for another site or totally rebluild the stadium for 60k and drop the prices to families going again and with free entry to youngsters - but who's going to listen to you and I?
Ah yes, filling the stadium. As a fan of NC - but not a sycophant - it pains me to say that perhaps his biggest blunder was that he seemed unable or unwilling to set prices according to demand. League Cup matches (for example) were well overpriced.

Also, does anyone remember him moving the MK Dons JPT semi by a week 'for TV-revenue purposes'? It had been set for half-term - when kids (including mine) could have had a late Wednesday night. He moved it to term time and it didn't attract the TV cameras - nor me and my lads because I was back home here in France. Dumb or what!

One thing that would restore some faith in the new board is if they do get ticket prices right and, thus, attract more fans to matches. They could also improve relations with local schools whilst they're at it. And, whilst I have no experience of corporate hospitality (except once at Highbury) and don't often bother with the stadium catering, Warrens and I have discussed this before and I've no doubt he's right about the averageness of SMS. These thing count if we're ever to fill a 45,000 stadium on a regular basis.
Don't understand the thumbs down because you are, of course, right.

Add 25k seats. Drop the prices for u12's to next to nowt to get thousands of the local kids into the Saints fold who would not normally bother or can afford to come to games. The club is missing a trick here. They will more than make up that act of generosity over the years as these kids will want a programme, a coke, a shirt, a pencil sharpener etc etc etc. Fathers will be able to take their kids to the games whereas I know quite a few who would love to take their kids with them but go alone and don't buy programmes, drinks or a shirt unless it's a knock off T shirt from the market because nowadays people just cannot afford to do it but prices stay ridiculously high with the reasoning being the club has to pay the players 25k plus a week. Silly way to guarantee nrs and loyalty of customers.
I thought I must have worded things badly. Mind you, there's some very stressed folk out there right now, JLS, and with some reason, so nothing surprises me right now.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: As I posted on the other thread 27th June Man U sign Luke. 28th June Man U sell Buttner. Anyone see the bleedin obvious in that? We have this massive war chest - assuming the board aren't lying again. But we're not prepared to pay the big wages so how will we persuade quality players to come to a club in crisis (and if this isn't a crisis then what the fack is?) if it's not by chucking money at them? We backed down on the transfer budget to get Ron to come. We may have to back down on wages to actually assemble a team. Wouldn't it have just been easier to stick with the original lot?[/p][/quote]If they had wanted to commit their future's to Saints the answer would probably be yes but they wanted to go, one of them being our captain. I'm quite happy we're not paying inflated wages. We have a max gate of 32k if we were to start paying huge wages it wouldn't be too long before we were in the red and would be having to sell to cut the wage bill. The clubs hovering above our now shrivelled carcass could offer us way less that the player was worth and the downward financial spiral that we have so recently fought our way back from starts all over again. No thank you - the Southampton way is to be frugal and responsible and stay in the black. It's less of a crisis to lose players for good money and because we aren't paying them over inflated wages than it is to lose players because we have to and we're paying them way over what we can afford. It's all down to maths mate. Build another 60k stadium and then do your bit to fill it = high wages and quality players. 32K stadium means the occasional quality player that you must be prepared to sell if the right offer comes along. Ask anybody you know who runs their own business if this is right or wrong and then ask which category it is Saints falls into.[/p][/quote]They were provided MoPo stayed and the club pushed on. He didn't because the club wouldn't honour the promises previously made. You haven't addressed my point on wages though. Big Ron has a zillion to spend, how do you think he is going to attract players (of any note) without offering the type of wages you say we shouldn't pay? PS I set my business up 22 years ago. I didn't take anything out of it for several years, everything was reinvested for growth. Today we are the fifth biggest in the UK employing 120 people. I posted yesterday that I really admire Arsenal who built the Emirates, accepted no trophies for several years whilst they paid off the mortgage. As a result they now have increased revenues and can spend what others spend on interest on players and wages. If I was in charge of SFC I would spend this massive sum of money on a new ground with excellent parking and access next to The Ageas Bowl. I don't think this board is here for the long term though.[/p][/quote]Yep, we like to boast we are the biggest club in the South..well next year BHA increase the AMEX to 35.500, they planned for success, we on the other hand seem determined to throw away yet another opportunity. Ted Bates and the board turned down a new ground in the 60's Lawrie Mac needed one more player to win the league (Worthington) did not sign him and the bust up resulted in us losing Keegan. We build a new ground to a capacity in keeping with a high Championship, very low premiership level.. We lose the best scout in the country to Fulham, we lose our ruthless but brilliant chairman, we lose our manager our captain our leading goalscorer the countries best left back, almost certainly Spider and Lovren to follow, disaster would be an understatement… The Emirates is a sensational stadium it's hospitality out of this world, indeed it's corporate seats alone earn more than our entire stadium, such a good day out that even Spurs fans have season tickets there.. Our's by comparison is a joke, I eat at Oxford brasserie because the food is rubbish at St Mary's, as for the rules and regs and officious officials well 5od that..Arsenal do everything to make the day a wonderful experience…so we lose a fortune at the most profitable end of the fan spend.. Then the marketing to the South's kids is hopeless, the club should be on a permanent mission to every south and south west school about loyalty and local identity…so rubbish at this as well Sponsership, I used to personally earn more than our latest sponsers turnover…hopeless. Fans treatment, club connectivity…we were always useless at this ..but at least it's a tradition the board want to keep going.. All in all our club is behind the scenes an utter shambles[/p][/quote]Yep.[/p][/quote]And I can only agree with everything you are saying here but it still doesn't hide the facts that we have a 32k stadium that frequenlty is not filled. If we had a 42k stadium it would be better but all of the clubs we would like to compete against are looking at 50k or more grounds. Southampton does not have the fan base for that we would never come close to filling it. If there were more bums on seats I would be voting you in as chairman because of your views but we don't. I had a business which look pretty good until I was faced with competition from national orgs - the writing was on the wall - I had to lower my expectations or give up. We don't want Saints to give so we have to lower our expectations. Unless the people of Hampshire show they are willing to give us a far greater fan base than we currently enjoy. If only it were more like the film - Build it and the people will come - I'm afraid that's best left as a film line. I wish there were 50k plus people who were as ardent as you and I but the fact is there aren't and the club's best marketing efforts have not produced anywhere near that nr. I think we could add (and I'm assured it's possible though expensive) a few thousand and see if the demand will meet the supply but that has to be done cautiously. Personally I think we sold ourselves short and could have a more aesthetically pleasing and slightly larger stadium but I'm not complaining too loudly because I can remember the Dell. Look at Brightons stadium it falls under the heading of outstandingly lovely to look at. Ours was maximum seats for the least money. Behind the scenes doesn't inspire confidence and we could do more to get kids involved and hooked for life in the same way I have been. If I were in charge - I would look for another site or totally rebluild the stadium for 60k and drop the prices to families going again and with free entry to youngsters - but who's going to listen to you and I?[/p][/quote]Ah yes, filling the stadium. As a fan of NC - but not a sycophant - it pains me to say that perhaps his biggest blunder was that he seemed unable or unwilling to set prices according to demand. League Cup matches (for example) were well overpriced. Also, does anyone remember him moving the MK Dons JPT semi by a week 'for TV-revenue purposes'? It had been set for half-term - when kids (including mine) could have had a late Wednesday night. He moved it to term time and it didn't attract the TV cameras - nor me and my lads because I was back home here in France. Dumb or what! One thing that would restore some faith in the new board is if they do get ticket prices right and, thus, attract more fans to matches. They could also improve relations with local schools whilst they're at it. And, whilst I have no experience of corporate hospitality (except once at Highbury) and don't often bother with the stadium catering, Warrens and I have discussed this before and I've no doubt he's right about the averageness of SMS. These thing count if we're ever to fill a 45,000 stadium on a regular basis.[/p][/quote]Don't understand the thumbs down because you are, of course, right. Add 25k seats. Drop the prices for u12's to next to nowt to get thousands of the local kids into the Saints fold who would not normally bother or can afford to come to games. The club is missing a trick here. They will more than make up that act of generosity over the years as these kids will want a programme, a coke, a shirt, a pencil sharpener etc etc etc. Fathers will be able to take their kids to the games whereas I know quite a few who would love to take their kids with them but go alone and don't buy programmes, drinks or a shirt unless it's a knock off T shirt from the market because nowadays people just cannot afford to do it but prices stay ridiculously high with the reasoning being the club has to pay the players 25k plus a week. Silly way to guarantee nrs and loyalty of customers.[/p][/quote]I thought I must have worded things badly. Mind you, there's some very stressed folk out there right now, JLS, and with some reason, so nothing surprises me right now. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 0

8:51pm Sun 29 Jun 14

steekeemcglue says...

Katharina is the inheritor of the estate of her father along with others. It is her wishes that matter , not those of anyone else. So i suggest if you do not like it, then instead of moaning on here... start a collective to raise funds and backers for a bid and buy the club. Anyone who thought NC had the slightest interest in anything other than how much he could stuff into his deep pockets is completely deluded. Also MoPo was using Saints plain and simple.... there is not a cat-in-hells chance he would have stayed whether NC stayed or not. FFS we are a club about to build a premier league team with a world class manager who has a budget most clubs could only dream of and the club is just moving to the next phase..... new youngsters will emerge and if we sell them for £30M then more new youngsters will emerge after that.... there is cause for optimism not pessimism and surely I was not the only one who was seeing the "pressing" game of possession and no goals was getting tiresome and there did not seem to be a plan B. MoPo will be out of Spurs by Feb.
Katharina is the inheritor of the estate of her father along with others. It is her wishes that matter , not those of anyone else. So i suggest if you do not like it, then instead of moaning on here... start a collective to raise funds and backers for a bid and buy the club. Anyone who thought NC had the slightest interest in anything other than how much he could stuff into his deep pockets is completely deluded. Also MoPo was using Saints plain and simple.... there is not a cat-in-hells chance he would have stayed whether NC stayed or not. FFS we are a club about to build a premier league team with a world class manager who has a budget most clubs could only dream of and the club is just moving to the next phase..... new youngsters will emerge and if we sell them for £30M then more new youngsters will emerge after that.... there is cause for optimism not pessimism and surely I was not the only one who was seeing the "pressing" game of possession and no goals was getting tiresome and there did not seem to be a plan B. MoPo will be out of Spurs by Feb. steekeemcglue
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9:40pm Sun 29 Jun 14

SaintsSteve says...

Bazultra wrote:
I was born and bred Southampton and love my city but Saints are turning out to be a COMPLETE joke. I am getting nothing but mocking texts and crap %$#@ from fans of Liverpool,manc and Spurs. We really have become the laughing stock of the premier league since the world cup started. Sorry but im certainly not on the bus anymore with all this and the finger has to point to the top. Thanks very much Katerina Liebherr. Ive never been so angry over football. Still I live in hope. One day.................

...COYR
agreed time 4 her 2 go damage limitation
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: I was born and bred Southampton and love my city but Saints are turning out to be a COMPLETE joke. I am getting nothing but mocking texts and crap %$#@ from fans of Liverpool,manc and Spurs. We really have become the laughing stock of the premier league since the world cup started. Sorry but im certainly not on the bus anymore with all this and the finger has to point to the top. Thanks very much Katerina Liebherr. Ive never been so angry over football. Still I live in hope. One day................. ...COYR[/p][/quote]agreed time 4 her 2 go damage limitation SaintsSteve
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