LiveLIVE: Hunt for new Saints manager begins

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Summary

  • Pochettino resigned Saints yesterday to join Spurs
  • Already he is being linked with key Southampton players
  • Saints' board has begun search for a 'high calibre' replacement
  • Wanyama describes the loss as "a big blow"
  • Fans dismayed and angry at the manner of Pochettino's exit
  • Supporters keen on Murat Yakin as new manager

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9:27am Wed 28 May 14

TGodSFC says...

It basic and simple, there is now going to be loads and loads of media stories linking all our players with moves away. The board need to act on this and speak out, they need to respond, hold a press conference, anything just to calm it all down, as the silence only fuels it more. We probably are going to lose one or two players but with the lads we have coming through the youth system and the money well get from the sales we can come good again, but we cannot allow a fire sale or mass walk out to take place. The players are contracted to the club not the ex-manager. Boss it and put your foot down !!
It basic and simple, there is now going to be loads and loads of media stories linking all our players with moves away. The board need to act on this and speak out, they need to respond, hold a press conference, anything just to calm it all down, as the silence only fuels it more. We probably are going to lose one or two players but with the lads we have coming through the youth system and the money well get from the sales we can come good again, but we cannot allow a fire sale or mass walk out to take place. The players are contracted to the club not the ex-manager. Boss it and put your foot down !! TGodSFC
  • Score: 20

9:33am Wed 28 May 14

alanrr says...

so 101% voted in your poll according to my maths
so 101% voted in your poll according to my maths alanrr
  • Score: 3

9:35am Wed 28 May 14

Santa Retfordia says...

What now? Simple: get Yakin on board, tell the vultures to do one and start preparing for next season. It's literally not rocket science.
What now? Simple: get Yakin on board, tell the vultures to do one and start preparing for next season. It's literally not rocket science. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 28

9:36am Wed 28 May 14

saints1998 says...

The club need to sort out the mess they have made. We need to sign a new manager within the next few days and give out a statement telling everyone that our players are not for sale.
The club need to sort out the mess they have made. We need to sign a new manager within the next few days and give out a statement telling everyone that our players are not for sale. saints1998
  • Score: -9

9:38am Wed 28 May 14

alanrr says...

oh now back to 100%
oh now back to 100% alanrr
  • Score: 7

9:40am Wed 28 May 14

flower49 says...

I think our top players are on their way, why should Poch stay and works with what's left and probably no money to buy, this stinks of greedy club raking in the money and spending as little as, Andy Sherwood or Chris Moyes, both good managers and both have a point to prove,
I think our top players are on their way, why should Poch stay and works with what's left and probably no money to buy, this stinks of greedy club raking in the money and spending as little as, Andy Sherwood or Chris Moyes, both good managers and both have a point to prove, flower49
  • Score: -30

9:43am Wed 28 May 14

Littleton-Saint says...

Yakin, Yakin, Yakin...
Yakin, Yakin, Yakin... Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 8

9:44am Wed 28 May 14

justaSaintsfan says...

The King is dead. Long live the King.

At last something has happened (Mo Po has gone) and things are starting to become apparent. Jason Dodds and Paul Williams were sacked BEFORE Mo Po resigned. There now seems a certain significance to it all. I reckon that perhaps Southampton FC knew before Jason and Paul were sacked that Mo Po and his coaching team were all going to Tottenham Hotspur. If that is the case, perhaps the intention is for Saints to replace all those coaches with a ready made coaching team from elsewhere. The Saints board might already have targeted such a coaching team, which is possibly not in this country.

What is very significant is that Ralph Krueger's statement was as tight lipped as he could possibly make it. The club is still giving no clues as to what is going on.

I believe that Katharina Liebherr and the board of directors do have a plan to improve Saints and that the process is already under way. Katharina has been attending Saints matches, which is not a sign that she wants to sell the club or all it's best
The King is dead. Long live the King. At last something has happened (Mo Po has gone) and things are starting to become apparent. Jason Dodds and Paul Williams were sacked BEFORE Mo Po resigned. There now seems a certain significance to it all. I reckon that perhaps Southampton FC knew before Jason and Paul were sacked that Mo Po and his coaching team were all going to Tottenham Hotspur. If that is the case, perhaps the intention is for Saints to replace all those coaches with a ready made coaching team from elsewhere. The Saints board might already have targeted such a coaching team, which is possibly not in this country. What is very significant is that Ralph Krueger's statement was as tight lipped as he could possibly make it. The club is still giving no clues as to what is going on. I believe that Katharina Liebherr and the board of directors do have a plan to improve Saints and that the process is already under way. Katharina has been attending Saints matches, which is not a sign that she wants to sell the club or all it's best justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 33

9:45am Wed 28 May 14

Dorssaints says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
What now? Simple: get Yakin on board, tell the vultures to do one and start preparing for next season. It's literally not rocket science.
Yep I think this is our man ! If Shaw wants to go then £27m for a left back is great. We were after the young French left back for £6m so already the new manager has £21 m to get a striker and a keeper!
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: What now? Simple: get Yakin on board, tell the vultures to do one and start preparing for next season. It's literally not rocket science.[/p][/quote]Yep I think this is our man ! If Shaw wants to go then £27m for a left back is great. We were after the young French left back for £6m so already the new manager has £21 m to get a striker and a keeper! Dorssaints
  • Score: 13

9:55am Wed 28 May 14

justaSaintsfan says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
The King is dead. Long live the King.

At last something has happened (Mo Po has gone) and things are starting to become apparent. Jason Dodds and Paul Williams were sacked BEFORE Mo Po resigned. There now seems a certain significance to it all. I reckon that perhaps Southampton FC knew before Jason and Paul were sacked that Mo Po and his coaching team were all going to Tottenham Hotspur. If that is the case, perhaps the intention is for Saints to replace all those coaches with a ready made coaching team from elsewhere. The Saints board might already have targeted such a coaching team, which is possibly not in this country.

What is very significant is that Ralph Krueger's statement was as tight lipped as he could possibly make it. The club is still giving no clues as to what is going on.

I believe that Katharina Liebherr and the board of directors do have a plan to improve Saints and that the process is already under way. Katharina has been attending Saints matches, which is not a sign that she wants to sell the club or all it's best
Continuation . . . . . . .

which is not a sign that she wants to sell the club or all its best players. I think Katharina has the aim of improvement of Saints. I still have faith that Saints are still in safe hands.

Mo Po is not Southampton FC. He is a former manager. Thank you to him and his coaching team.

I'm now looking forward to Saints replacing Jason, Paul and all of Mo Po's coaching team with a whole team of coaches who are even better and I'm still very much anticipating a good 2014/2015 season.

I'm a Saints fan and I'm still optimistic. Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!!
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: The King is dead. Long live the King. At last something has happened (Mo Po has gone) and things are starting to become apparent. Jason Dodds and Paul Williams were sacked BEFORE Mo Po resigned. There now seems a certain significance to it all. I reckon that perhaps Southampton FC knew before Jason and Paul were sacked that Mo Po and his coaching team were all going to Tottenham Hotspur. If that is the case, perhaps the intention is for Saints to replace all those coaches with a ready made coaching team from elsewhere. The Saints board might already have targeted such a coaching team, which is possibly not in this country. What is very significant is that Ralph Krueger's statement was as tight lipped as he could possibly make it. The club is still giving no clues as to what is going on. I believe that Katharina Liebherr and the board of directors do have a plan to improve Saints and that the process is already under way. Katharina has been attending Saints matches, which is not a sign that she wants to sell the club or all it's best[/p][/quote]Continuation . . . . . . . which is not a sign that she wants to sell the club or all its best players. I think Katharina has the aim of improvement of Saints. I still have faith that Saints are still in safe hands. Mo Po is not Southampton FC. He is a former manager. Thank you to him and his coaching team. I'm now looking forward to Saints replacing Jason, Paul and all of Mo Po's coaching team with a whole team of coaches who are even better and I'm still very much anticipating a good 2014/2015 season. I'm a Saints fan and I'm still optimistic. Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 33

9:58am Wed 28 May 14

JohnItaly says...

If the Club take longer than say a week to appoint a Coach / Manager then this tells me that the Board were completely taken in by Pochettino's reluctance to discuss a new contract until the season was over. Following Cortese's departure clearly he was playing for time to see what opportunities opened up for him, with the Sherwood situation an obvious one. With the management experience of the Board one would have thought as a unit they would be able to analyse a situation and see it as it is and not as it appears. If they were of the opinion that Pochettino was likely to leave then they should have been taking tentative steps to find a replacement. Announcing a replacement within a few days would, I believe, show a very positive action. If, however, the Club (heaven forbid) advertise the vacant position inviting applications then I think we are a serious trouble.
If the Club take longer than say a week to appoint a Coach / Manager then this tells me that the Board were completely taken in by Pochettino's reluctance to discuss a new contract until the season was over. Following Cortese's departure clearly he was playing for time to see what opportunities opened up for him, with the Sherwood situation an obvious one. With the management experience of the Board one would have thought as a unit they would be able to analyse a situation and see it as it is and not as it appears. If they were of the opinion that Pochettino was likely to leave then they should have been taking tentative steps to find a replacement. Announcing a replacement within a few days would, I believe, show a very positive action. If, however, the Club (heaven forbid) advertise the vacant position inviting applications then I think we are a serious trouble. JohnItaly
  • Score: -4

10:10am Wed 28 May 14

Confucious says...

MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.
MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her. Confucious
  • Score: 42

10:13am Wed 28 May 14

saint christopher says...

JohnItaly wrote:
If the Club take longer than say a week to appoint a Coach / Manager then this tells me that the Board were completely taken in by Pochettino's reluctance to discuss a new contract until the season was over. Following Cortese's departure clearly he was playing for time to see what opportunities opened up for him, with the Sherwood situation an obvious one. With the management experience of the Board one would have thought as a unit they would be able to analyse a situation and see it as it is and not as it appears. If they were of the opinion that Pochettino was likely to leave then they should have been taking tentative steps to find a replacement. Announcing a replacement within a few days would, I believe, show a very positive action. If, however, the Club (heaven forbid) advertise the vacant position inviting applications then I think we are a serious trouble.
Spot on.

What's happened has been on the cards for weeks, and the whole point of having a board is that they anticipate such events and put in place contingency plans for every eventuality.

If a new man is announced by the end of this week we will know they have been doing their job (although at least some indication they were doing so would have been nice and wouldn't have encouraged so much speculation). It would also explain the sacking of Dodd etc.

However if this doesn't happen and we don't even get a few smoke signals then as fans we need to be seriously concerned about the suitability of those KL has appointed to run our club.

At this moment the jury is out, but if we have no definite news by the weekend (or we find their ambition only goes as high as the likes of Malky Mackay) then we have to accept the dream is over and we're back to pretty well where we were 5 years ago, albeit on a slightly stronger financial footing. Crucial days.
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: If the Club take longer than say a week to appoint a Coach / Manager then this tells me that the Board were completely taken in by Pochettino's reluctance to discuss a new contract until the season was over. Following Cortese's departure clearly he was playing for time to see what opportunities opened up for him, with the Sherwood situation an obvious one. With the management experience of the Board one would have thought as a unit they would be able to analyse a situation and see it as it is and not as it appears. If they were of the opinion that Pochettino was likely to leave then they should have been taking tentative steps to find a replacement. Announcing a replacement within a few days would, I believe, show a very positive action. If, however, the Club (heaven forbid) advertise the vacant position inviting applications then I think we are a serious trouble.[/p][/quote]Spot on. What's happened has been on the cards for weeks, and the whole point of having a board is that they anticipate such events and put in place contingency plans for every eventuality. If a new man is announced by the end of this week we will know they have been doing their job (although at least some indication they were doing so would have been nice and wouldn't have encouraged so much speculation). It would also explain the sacking of Dodd etc. However if this doesn't happen and we don't even get a few smoke signals then as fans we need to be seriously concerned about the suitability of those KL has appointed to run our club. At this moment the jury is out, but if we have no definite news by the weekend (or we find their ambition only goes as high as the likes of Malky Mackay) then we have to accept the dream is over and we're back to pretty well where we were 5 years ago, albeit on a slightly stronger financial footing. Crucial days. saint christopher
  • Score: 1

10:16am Wed 28 May 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
What now? Simple: get Yakin on board, tell the vultures to do one and start preparing for next season. It's literally not rocket science.
Although you're beginning to sound a bit like David Steele at the LibDem conference of 1981, I think you've hit the bu66er right on the head, Ret.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: What now? Simple: get Yakin on board, tell the vultures to do one and start preparing for next season. It's literally not rocket science.[/p][/quote]Although you're beginning to sound a bit like David Steele at the LibDem conference of 1981, I think you've hit the bu66er right on the head, Ret. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: -5

10:18am Wed 28 May 14

seany1966 says...

So what coaching staff do we actually have left ????
So what coaching staff do we actually have left ???? seany1966
  • Score: -6

10:18am Wed 28 May 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Littleton-Saint wrote:
Yakin, Yakin, Yakin...
I think most of us want to see 'less yacking and more action', Littleton :-)

But, yes, word plays aside, he would seem to be the one at the top of most of our shopping lists.
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: Yakin, Yakin, Yakin...[/p][/quote]I think most of us want to see 'less yacking and more action', Littleton :-) But, yes, word plays aside, he would seem to be the one at the top of most of our shopping lists. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: -3

10:26am Wed 28 May 14

RefKen says...

We need only two key policies from whatever management team is appointed.
1, Play football the Saints way, and
2. Shoot low and straight AT goal - spectacular near misses are pointless.
Any team based on Boruc, Clyne, Louvren,, Chambers, Ward-Prowse, Wayarama,,Cork, Davis, Ramirez, Gallagher, Lambert and Rodriguez, with our Academy budding stars, and key reserve goalkeeper, midfielder and striker, should go close to finishing 4 or 5 in the League next season, and certainly above Tottenham ! .
We need only two key policies from whatever management team is appointed. 1, Play football the Saints way, and 2. Shoot low and straight AT goal - spectacular near misses are pointless. Any team based on Boruc, Clyne, Louvren,, Chambers, Ward-Prowse, Wayarama,,Cork, Davis, Ramirez, Gallagher, Lambert and Rodriguez, with our Academy budding stars, and key reserve goalkeeper, midfielder and striker, should go close to finishing 4 or 5 in the League next season, and certainly above Tottenham ! . RefKen
  • Score: 15

10:27am Wed 28 May 14

SaintJD says...

I've always stood up for the Echo, but the reporting in recent weeks and particularly at the moment is horrendous. Whether the predictions and gloom mongering is grounded in fact or not, bombarding the fans with negative stories and rumours the day after we lose our manager is irresponsible and disloyal to the City.

Yes the board has to take steps to restore trust and confidence, but how about the local paper plays its part as well?
I've always stood up for the Echo, but the reporting in recent weeks and particularly at the moment is horrendous. Whether the predictions and gloom mongering is grounded in fact or not, bombarding the fans with negative stories and rumours the day after we lose our manager is irresponsible and disloyal to the City. Yes the board has to take steps to restore trust and confidence, but how about the local paper plays its part as well? SaintJD
  • Score: 6

10:27am Wed 28 May 14

TGodSFC says...

saint christopher wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
If the Club take longer than say a week to appoint a Coach / Manager then this tells me that the Board were completely taken in by Pochettino's reluctance to discuss a new contract until the season was over. Following Cortese's departure clearly he was playing for time to see what opportunities opened up for him, with the Sherwood situation an obvious one. With the management experience of the Board one would have thought as a unit they would be able to analyse a situation and see it as it is and not as it appears. If they were of the opinion that Pochettino was likely to leave then they should have been taking tentative steps to find a replacement. Announcing a replacement within a few days would, I believe, show a very positive action. If, however, the Club (heaven forbid) advertise the vacant position inviting applications then I think we are a serious trouble.
Spot on.

What's happened has been on the cards for weeks, and the whole point of having a board is that they anticipate such events and put in place contingency plans for every eventuality.

If a new man is announced by the end of this week we will know they have been doing their job (although at least some indication they were doing so would have been nice and wouldn't have encouraged so much speculation). It would also explain the sacking of Dodd etc.

However if this doesn't happen and we don't even get a few smoke signals then as fans we need to be seriously concerned about the suitability of those KL has appointed to run our club.

At this moment the jury is out, but if we have no definite news by the weekend (or we find their ambition only goes as high as the likes of Malky Mackay) then we have to accept the dream is over and we're back to pretty well where we were 5 years ago, albeit on a slightly stronger financial footing. Crucial days.
This is exactly the point and you have to think that they knew it was coming, allowing him to talk to Spurs and accepting his resignation. Time will tell. I do fear that even if we are able to emulate last season in the coming years all this will just be repeated again. Bottom line if they want to turn the club into a viable business then we need to stay in the BPL, the TV money still to come for the next few season is the key to really stabilise.
[quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: If the Club take longer than say a week to appoint a Coach / Manager then this tells me that the Board were completely taken in by Pochettino's reluctance to discuss a new contract until the season was over. Following Cortese's departure clearly he was playing for time to see what opportunities opened up for him, with the Sherwood situation an obvious one. With the management experience of the Board one would have thought as a unit they would be able to analyse a situation and see it as it is and not as it appears. If they were of the opinion that Pochettino was likely to leave then they should have been taking tentative steps to find a replacement. Announcing a replacement within a few days would, I believe, show a very positive action. If, however, the Club (heaven forbid) advertise the vacant position inviting applications then I think we are a serious trouble.[/p][/quote]Spot on. What's happened has been on the cards for weeks, and the whole point of having a board is that they anticipate such events and put in place contingency plans for every eventuality. If a new man is announced by the end of this week we will know they have been doing their job (although at least some indication they were doing so would have been nice and wouldn't have encouraged so much speculation). It would also explain the sacking of Dodd etc. However if this doesn't happen and we don't even get a few smoke signals then as fans we need to be seriously concerned about the suitability of those KL has appointed to run our club. At this moment the jury is out, but if we have no definite news by the weekend (or we find their ambition only goes as high as the likes of Malky Mackay) then we have to accept the dream is over and we're back to pretty well where we were 5 years ago, albeit on a slightly stronger financial footing. Crucial days.[/p][/quote]This is exactly the point and you have to think that they knew it was coming, allowing him to talk to Spurs and accepting his resignation. Time will tell. I do fear that even if we are able to emulate last season in the coming years all this will just be repeated again. Bottom line if they want to turn the club into a viable business then we need to stay in the BPL, the TV money still to come for the next few season is the key to really stabilise. TGodSFC
  • Score: -4

10:27am Wed 28 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Confucious wrote:
MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.
You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina.

People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision.

I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina. People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision. I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -22

10:33am Wed 28 May 14

Gareth0312 says...

I hope the board tell poch to forget any thoughts of taking any of our players to White Hart Lane. I would hope that Lallana of all people would show a little loyalty to the club considering the journey they have been on together. saying that i would much rather see him join Liverpool than have the board let MoPo raid our squad of its best players.

Rumours flying round of Kroeman the Feyenoord manager being the replacement, i would very much hope that we could attract a manager with a better managerial record to be honest. Yakin would seem the most suitable replacement in my eyes. would have been good if Salah was still at Basel as Yakin may still have had some pulling power with the players if he did jojn.
I hope the board tell poch to forget any thoughts of taking any of our players to White Hart Lane. I would hope that Lallana of all people would show a little loyalty to the club considering the journey they have been on together. saying that i would much rather see him join Liverpool than have the board let MoPo raid our squad of its best players. Rumours flying round of Kroeman the Feyenoord manager being the replacement, i would very much hope that we could attract a manager with a better managerial record to be honest. Yakin would seem the most suitable replacement in my eyes. would have been good if Salah was still at Basel as Yakin may still have had some pulling power with the players if he did jojn. Gareth0312
  • Score: -5

10:34am Wed 28 May 14

J7junctionseven says...

Good riddance to the slime ball.
If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals.
Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did.
I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs.
Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1.
You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well.
As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one!
I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out.
Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in.
I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do.
COYR FOADP
Good riddance to the slime ball. If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals. Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did. I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs. Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1. You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well. As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one! I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out. Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in. I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do. COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 8

10:34am Wed 28 May 14

Jesus_02 says...

Confucious wrote:
MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.
Why they have decided to leave a project that they where so committed to might be more alarming. Personally I think it would be a good time for Katarina to sell, at least before the assets are gone. I personally would welcome a Cortese represented owner!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.[/p][/quote]Why they have decided to leave a project that they where so committed to might be more alarming. Personally I think it would be a good time for Katarina to sell, at least before the assets are gone. I personally would welcome a Cortese represented owner! Jesus_02
  • Score: -9

10:35am Wed 28 May 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.
You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina.

People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision.

I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears.
You could be 100% right, Seed but, as you well know, every person (owner, CEO, manager, player etc.) is neither 100% great nor 100% dreadful. NC had many strengths and a fair few weaknesses and, from what I can see, the same remains true about Ralph and Katharina. I bet Matt Le Tiss is delighted NC has gone and Ralph is in charge but I bet, like you and me, his views have as much to do with what he thinks is best for the club and not just on his personality clash. On balance, so far, I'd be with you in wishing NC was still here but, unlike you, for the moment, I'm prepared to stay loyal to the current board, ever mindful that, in the end, 'my team (and yours)' is owned by a wealthy woman who can do what she likes with her possessions. That's quite stressful, isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina. People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision. I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears.[/p][/quote]You could be 100% right, Seed but, as you well know, every person (owner, CEO, manager, player etc.) is neither 100% great nor 100% dreadful. NC had many strengths and a fair few weaknesses and, from what I can see, the same remains true about Ralph and Katharina. I bet Matt Le Tiss is delighted NC has gone and Ralph is in charge but I bet, like you and me, his views have as much to do with what he thinks is best for the club and not just on his personality clash. On balance, so far, I'd be with you in wishing NC was still here but, unlike you, for the moment, I'm prepared to stay loyal to the current board, ever mindful that, in the end, 'my team (and yours)' is owned by a wealthy woman who can do what she likes with her possessions. That's quite stressful, isn't it? Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 3

10:41am Wed 28 May 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

new day.

Have to put my trust in the people currently running the club. I truly hope they prove that they are capable of living up to their words.
new day. Have to put my trust in the people currently running the club. I truly hope they prove that they are capable of living up to their words. Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: -6

10:42am Wed 28 May 14

Blackwaterblue says...

Poch has gone and players will follow. What's important is how the money accumulated is sent: that's what will tell you about the future of SFC.
Poch has gone and players will follow. What's important is how the money accumulated is sent: that's what will tell you about the future of SFC. Blackwaterblue
  • Score: -9

10:46am Wed 28 May 14

SaintJD says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
Confucious wrote:
MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.
Why they have decided to leave a project that they where so committed to might be more alarming. Personally I think it would be a good time for Katarina to sell, at least before the assets are gone. I personally would welcome a Cortese represented owner!
Yeah, it's interesting that people are more willing to trust a guy who just walked away when the going got tough than someone who has, and continues to, plough investment into the club.

When Cortese was doing his nice little PR videos in swanky hotels during pre-season who exactly was bank rolling that nice swanky hotel?

And when he and Mo Po were talking Champions League who was going to be paying to get us there?

So, yes, if Nicola wishes to come back with his own money and take us up a level I'd be more than delighted to see him back - he was a very good chairman with ambitious plans. Until he does, let's give KL the benefit of the doubt (can't even believe I'm saying that considering the money she's invested and season she's just delivered for us).
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.[/p][/quote]Why they have decided to leave a project that they where so committed to might be more alarming. Personally I think it would be a good time for Katarina to sell, at least before the assets are gone. I personally would welcome a Cortese represented owner![/p][/quote]Yeah, it's interesting that people are more willing to trust a guy who just walked away when the going got tough than someone who has, and continues to, plough investment into the club. When Cortese was doing his nice little PR videos in swanky hotels during pre-season who exactly was bank rolling that nice swanky hotel? And when he and Mo Po were talking Champions League who was going to be paying to get us there? So, yes, if Nicola wishes to come back with his own money and take us up a level I'd be more than delighted to see him back - he was a very good chairman with ambitious plans. Until he does, let's give KL the benefit of the doubt (can't even believe I'm saying that considering the money she's invested and season she's just delivered for us). SaintJD
  • Score: 9

10:52am Wed 28 May 14

miltonarcher says...

If Lallana is to be sold sell him to Liverpool, not Spurs. Same applies to the rest of the squad.
If Lallana is to be sold sell him to Liverpool, not Spurs. Same applies to the rest of the squad. miltonarcher
  • Score: -3

10:55am Wed 28 May 14

J7junctionseven says...

miltonarcher wrote:
If Lallana is to be sold sell him to Liverpool, not Spurs. Same applies to the rest of the squad.
Agree. Anyone but Spuds.
COYR
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: If Lallana is to be sold sell him to Liverpool, not Spurs. Same applies to the rest of the squad.[/p][/quote]Agree. Anyone but Spuds. COYR J7junctionseven
  • Score: 5

10:57am Wed 28 May 14

pitbull says...

It's not been made public the reason why Pochettino has left.
Some blame Pochettino while others blame the board. They are just personal opinions.
The only "facts" that have come out are that Pochettino has left and Ralph Kreuger has said the club will appoint a manager that will move the club forward.
If the club were to start selling players now, it would not attract a very good calibre of manager, only someone who was after a decent wage.
I can't see any player movements, in or out, being completed without a new man in charge.
The club has already made a statement saying that the players will honour their contracts, which the press have ignored.
The next statement from the Saints should be welcoming the new coaching team.
That is when we will know what the ambitions of the club are.

Us fans should not be concerned with whats written in the media, they all seem to have it in for Katarina and the board. Just think about it, we would not be where we are without the Leibheirs, it's time to put a bit of trust in the owners and people that run Southampton FC.
It's not been made public the reason why Pochettino has left. Some blame Pochettino while others blame the board. They are just personal opinions. The only "facts" that have come out are that Pochettino has left and Ralph Kreuger has said the club will appoint a manager that will move the club forward. If the club were to start selling players now, it would not attract a very good calibre of manager, only someone who was after a decent wage. I can't see any player movements, in or out, being completed without a new man in charge. The club has already made a statement saying that the players will honour their contracts, which the press have ignored. The next statement from the Saints should be welcoming the new coaching team. That is when we will know what the ambitions of the club are. Us fans should not be concerned with whats written in the media, they all seem to have it in for Katarina and the board. Just think about it, we would not be where we are without the Leibheirs, it's time to put a bit of trust in the owners and people that run Southampton FC. pitbull
  • Score: 17

10:59am Wed 28 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Gareth0312 wrote:
I hope the board tell poch to forget any thoughts of taking any of our players to White Hart Lane. I would hope that Lallana of all people would show a little loyalty to the club considering the journey they have been on together. saying that i would much rather see him join Liverpool than have the board let MoPo raid our squad of its best players.

Rumours flying round of Kroeman the Feyenoord manager being the replacement, i would very much hope that we could attract a manager with a better managerial record to be honest. Yakin would seem the most suitable replacement in my eyes. would have been good if Salah was still at Basel as Yakin may still have had some pulling power with the players if he did jojn.
I hope the board made it a binding condition of allowing Spurs to speak to him and then for him to join them. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that they will not have done this due to them being crap.
[quote][p][bold]Gareth0312[/bold] wrote: I hope the board tell poch to forget any thoughts of taking any of our players to White Hart Lane. I would hope that Lallana of all people would show a little loyalty to the club considering the journey they have been on together. saying that i would much rather see him join Liverpool than have the board let MoPo raid our squad of its best players. Rumours flying round of Kroeman the Feyenoord manager being the replacement, i would very much hope that we could attract a manager with a better managerial record to be honest. Yakin would seem the most suitable replacement in my eyes. would have been good if Salah was still at Basel as Yakin may still have had some pulling power with the players if he did jojn.[/p][/quote]I hope the board made it a binding condition of allowing Spurs to speak to him and then for him to join them. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that they will not have done this due to them being crap. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -17

11:06am Wed 28 May 14

batesieboy says...

And the Saints go marching on on on!!
And the Saints go marching on on on!! batesieboy
  • Score: -5

11:10am Wed 28 May 14

THE12THMAN says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Good riddance to the slime ball. If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals. Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did. I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs. Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1. You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well. As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one! I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out. Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in. I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do. COYR FOADP
I agree 100 % and regarding A.L. Has anyone noticed how many games he fails to last the full ninety minutes.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Good riddance to the slime ball. If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals. Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did. I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs. Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1. You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well. As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one! I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out. Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in. I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]I agree 100 % and regarding A.L. Has anyone noticed how many games he fails to last the full ninety minutes. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 0

11:16am Wed 28 May 14

J7junctionseven says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Good riddance to the slime ball. If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals. Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did. I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs. Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1. You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well. As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one! I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out. Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in. I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do. COYR FOADP
I agree 100 % and regarding A.L. Has anyone noticed how many games he fails to last the full ninety minutes.
Plus the long stints he has on the injury list over the past few seasons.
COYR
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Good riddance to the slime ball. If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals. Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did. I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs. Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1. You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well. As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one! I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out. Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in. I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]I agree 100 % and regarding A.L. Has anyone noticed how many games he fails to last the full ninety minutes.[/p][/quote]Plus the long stints he has on the injury list over the past few seasons. COYR J7junctionseven
  • Score: -3

11:23am Wed 28 May 14

noodlesnewman says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
The King is dead. Long live the King.

At last something has happened (Mo Po has gone) and things are starting to become apparent. Jason Dodds and Paul Williams were sacked BEFORE Mo Po resigned. There now seems a certain significance to it all. I reckon that perhaps Southampton FC knew before Jason and Paul were sacked that Mo Po and his coaching team were all going to Tottenham Hotspur. If that is the case, perhaps the intention is for Saints to replace all those coaches with a ready made coaching team from elsewhere. The Saints board might already have targeted such a coaching team, which is possibly not in this country.

What is very significant is that Ralph Krueger's statement was as tight lipped as he could possibly make it. The club is still giving no clues as to what is going on.

I believe that Katharina Liebherr and the board of directors do have a plan to improve Saints and that the process is already under way. Katharina has been attending Saints matches, which is not a sign that she wants to sell the club or all it's best
poch was nt king ,any decent manager could of got good results from our superb young squad ! To jump ship that quick he obviously wasnt the right man ! This negative will be turned into a positive mines a half a glass half full right now potchetino was a nobody before he came to saints and the way he approached those cup game was awfull and naive ! Lets have this new high CALIBRE man then , onwards and upwards !
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: The King is dead. Long live the King. At last something has happened (Mo Po has gone) and things are starting to become apparent. Jason Dodds and Paul Williams were sacked BEFORE Mo Po resigned. There now seems a certain significance to it all. I reckon that perhaps Southampton FC knew before Jason and Paul were sacked that Mo Po and his coaching team were all going to Tottenham Hotspur. If that is the case, perhaps the intention is for Saints to replace all those coaches with a ready made coaching team from elsewhere. The Saints board might already have targeted such a coaching team, which is possibly not in this country. What is very significant is that Ralph Krueger's statement was as tight lipped as he could possibly make it. The club is still giving no clues as to what is going on. I believe that Katharina Liebherr and the board of directors do have a plan to improve Saints and that the process is already under way. Katharina has been attending Saints matches, which is not a sign that she wants to sell the club or all it's best[/p][/quote]poch was nt king ,any decent manager could of got good results from our superb young squad ! To jump ship that quick he obviously wasnt the right man ! This negative will be turned into a positive mines a half a glass half full right now potchetino was a nobody before he came to saints and the way he approached those cup game was awfull and naive ! Lets have this new high CALIBRE man then , onwards and upwards ! noodlesnewman
  • Score: -1

11:26am Wed 28 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

the problem we might have now is how much does MP know about our players contracts? does he know if certain players have release clauses that he could trigger?(much like the apparent £2mill fine if he broke his contract).

MP has shown his true character by betraying the club that gave him his chance, I hop he fails in any bids for our players and he boar just tell im where to go! oh and as for his `thank you` to saints (which he probably never wrote) it was so nice of him to mention the fans, the fans who got behind him from day 1 despite most feeling gutted that NA had been sacked. the fans who chanted his name every game, home and away! oh no wait he didn't and yet in his first comments on joining spuds he says this "Tottenham Hotspur has a huge following across the world and I have great admiration for the passion the fans show for this team."
I hope he losses a few games at the start of the season, he will then find out how `passionate` spuds fans are when they are chanting for him to be sacked!
the problem we might have now is how much does MP know about our players contracts? does he know if certain players have release clauses that he could trigger?(much like the apparent £2mill fine if he broke his contract). MP has shown his true character by betraying the club that gave him his chance, I hop he fails in any bids for our players and he boar just tell im where to go! oh and as for his `thank you` to saints (which he probably never wrote) it was so nice of him to mention the fans, the fans who got behind him from day 1 despite most feeling gutted that NA had been sacked. the fans who chanted his name every game, home and away! oh no wait he didn't and yet in his first comments on joining spuds he says this "Tottenham Hotspur has a huge following across the world and I have great admiration for the passion the fans show for this team." I hope he losses a few games at the start of the season, he will then find out how `passionate` spuds fans are when they are chanting for him to be sacked! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 12

11:27am Wed 28 May 14

Chief Anderson says...

I know it's doom and gloom this morning and deep down we are all a little disappointed and confused with Mr Pochettino. Despite this I renewed my Season Ticket this morning. I remember the Branfoot era (Paul Moody, 5 full backs in one team), The Lowe saga (where did all our money go?), the Dutch Experiment (erm). Turning up to St Mary's on match days unsure who some of the loan players were under Burley. Life at St Mary's is very, very healthy.

Mr Cortese has gone, Mr Pochettino has gone and I'm convinced a few of our stars will go too. What's done is done. We are very fortunate to be where we are. Belive and have faith guys
I know it's doom and gloom this morning and deep down we are all a little disappointed and confused with Mr Pochettino. Despite this I renewed my Season Ticket this morning. I remember the Branfoot era (Paul Moody, 5 full backs in one team), The Lowe saga (where did all our money go?), the Dutch Experiment (erm). Turning up to St Mary's on match days unsure who some of the loan players were under Burley. Life at St Mary's is very, very healthy. Mr Cortese has gone, Mr Pochettino has gone and I'm convinced a few of our stars will go too. What's done is done. We are very fortunate to be where we are. Belive and have faith guys Chief Anderson
  • Score: 7

11:29am Wed 28 May 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
The King is dead. Long live the King. At last something has happened (Mo Po has gone) and things are starting to become apparent. Jason Dodds and Paul Williams were sacked BEFORE Mo Po resigned. There now seems a certain significance to it all. I reckon that perhaps Southampton FC knew before Jason and Paul were sacked that Mo Po and his coaching team were all going to Tottenham Hotspur. If that is the case, perhaps the intention is for Saints to replace all those coaches with a ready made coaching team from elsewhere. The Saints board might already have targeted such a coaching team, which is possibly not in this country. What is very significant is that Ralph Krueger's statement was as tight lipped as he could possibly make it. The club is still giving no clues as to what is going on. I believe that Katharina Liebherr and the board of directors do have a plan to improve Saints and that the process is already under way. Katharina has been attending Saints matches, which is not a sign that she wants to sell the club or all it's best
What is apparent is the lack of goals in the current SAINTS TEAM

Take out Adam and with Jrod injured - there are no goals in the Team apart from RICKIE.

We really need to get moving on getting a TOP GOAL SCORER.

Sorting the Dani situation is also important but must not delay our future acquisition of a cutting edge Striker.

MANAGER-STRIKER-KEEP OUR STAR PLAYERS
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: The King is dead. Long live the King. At last something has happened (Mo Po has gone) and things are starting to become apparent. Jason Dodds and Paul Williams were sacked BEFORE Mo Po resigned. There now seems a certain significance to it all. I reckon that perhaps Southampton FC knew before Jason and Paul were sacked that Mo Po and his coaching team were all going to Tottenham Hotspur. If that is the case, perhaps the intention is for Saints to replace all those coaches with a ready made coaching team from elsewhere. The Saints board might already have targeted such a coaching team, which is possibly not in this country. What is very significant is that Ralph Krueger's statement was as tight lipped as he could possibly make it. The club is still giving no clues as to what is going on. I believe that Katharina Liebherr and the board of directors do have a plan to improve Saints and that the process is already under way. Katharina has been attending Saints matches, which is not a sign that she wants to sell the club or all it's best[/p][/quote]What is apparent is the lack of goals in the current SAINTS TEAM Take out Adam and with Jrod injured - there are no goals in the Team apart from RICKIE. We really need to get moving on getting a TOP GOAL SCORER. Sorting the Dani situation is also important but must not delay our future acquisition of a cutting edge Striker. MANAGER-STRIKER-KEEP OUR STAR PLAYERS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -6

11:30am Wed 28 May 14

Mush On The Beach says...

batesieboy wrote:
And the Saints go marching on on on!!
The Football Gods are always known for their dark irony, guess who I think we will be playing in the first prem game at St Marys next season?
[quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: And the Saints go marching on on on!![/p][/quote]The Football Gods are always known for their dark irony, guess who I think we will be playing in the first prem game at St Marys next season? Mush On The Beach
  • Score: -1

11:34am Wed 28 May 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Good riddance to the slime ball. If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals. Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did. I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs. Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1. You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well. As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one! I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out. Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in. I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do. COYR FOADP
Agree - f***k MP and the Spuds.

Big cheer when they lose - and they will - and go into meltdown in the Cup Competitions with Jesus picking the Team.

Let's get a Manager in place and a few goal scorers.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Good riddance to the slime ball. If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals. Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did. I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs. Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1. You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well. As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one! I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out. Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in. I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]Agree - f***k MP and the Spuds. Big cheer when they lose - and they will - and go into meltdown in the Cup Competitions with Jesus picking the Team. Let's get a Manager in place and a few goal scorers. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -3

11:44am Wed 28 May 14

long memory says...

SaintJD wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
Confucious wrote:
MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.
Why they have decided to leave a project that they where so committed to might be more alarming. Personally I think it would be a good time for Katarina to sell, at least before the assets are gone. I personally would welcome a Cortese represented owner!
Yeah, it's interesting that people are more willing to trust a guy who just walked away when the going got tough than someone who has, and continues to, plough investment into the club.

When Cortese was doing his nice little PR videos in swanky hotels during pre-season who exactly was bank rolling that nice swanky hotel?

And when he and Mo Po were talking Champions League who was going to be paying to get us there?

So, yes, if Nicola wishes to come back with his own money and take us up a level I'd be more than delighted to see him back - he was a very good chairman with ambitious plans. Until he does, let's give KL the benefit of the doubt (can't even believe I'm saying that considering the money she's invested and season she's just delivered for us).
100% in agreement with your comments,as I said yesterday,easiest thing in the world is to spend other peoples money.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.[/p][/quote]Why they have decided to leave a project that they where so committed to might be more alarming. Personally I think it would be a good time for Katarina to sell, at least before the assets are gone. I personally would welcome a Cortese represented owner![/p][/quote]Yeah, it's interesting that people are more willing to trust a guy who just walked away when the going got tough than someone who has, and continues to, plough investment into the club. When Cortese was doing his nice little PR videos in swanky hotels during pre-season who exactly was bank rolling that nice swanky hotel? And when he and Mo Po were talking Champions League who was going to be paying to get us there? So, yes, if Nicola wishes to come back with his own money and take us up a level I'd be more than delighted to see him back - he was a very good chairman with ambitious plans. Until he does, let's give KL the benefit of the doubt (can't even believe I'm saying that considering the money she's invested and season she's just delivered for us).[/p][/quote]100% in agreement with your comments,as I said yesterday,easiest thing in the world is to spend other peoples money. long memory
  • Score: -4

11:49am Wed 28 May 14

Dan Howard says...

Looking around at the composition and behaviour of some Boards of premier league clubs, I look at SFC’s with relief. It comprises an owner who is interested for legacy reasons, experienced sports professionals and business people.
Remember when Rupert Lowe stood down from the board for 18 months? His replacements managed to spend £52m in a single year against an income of £38m and we all know where that ended up.
I don’t see that happening with this Board.
I think they’ve known for months that MP could well be seduced by an offer and although they hoped he would not be, by virtue of offering a better contract, they will have understood that he could go.
So what sort of manager to replace? According to Krueger we are looking for “a manager that shares our values, our principles and our philosophy; a manager who can continue to grow the First Team and build on our strong foundation – a foundation led by an ambitious vision and plan that continues to build on our world-class academy, our amazing 129-year heritage and our excellent staff, and rewards our loyal and passionate fan base.” So not somebody who will through it all up in the air and start again. Somebody who will build from the current base and continue blending home grown youth with the best of what’s up and coming from elsewhere in Europe.
Looking at Laudrup and Koeman again, I’m sure they quite fit the bill. They don’t have enough to prove to my thinking. They are European football aristocracy and I doubt they have the hunger to move sideways without being excessively bankrolled in the transfer market.
By comparison the Premiership is unfinished business for Malky Mackay and he would have a supportive Board not a ‘mercurial’ owner- proprietor behind him. He’s a strong developmental manager and leader. On that score, Thomas Tuchel, formerly of Mainz has got to be worth a look as well as Yakim.
Whichever way you look at it, I don’t think we need any experienced ‘old lags’ from the English game, ‘showponies’ from Euroland or wild gambles; just solid up and coming professionals with a good track record of success at their first and second clubs with good footballing pedigrees and the hunger to make a name on our next five year project. Speaking of which, I’d like to know what that is!
Looking around at the composition and behaviour of some Boards of premier league clubs, I look at SFC’s with relief. It comprises an owner who is interested for legacy reasons, experienced sports professionals and business people. Remember when Rupert Lowe stood down from the board for 18 months? His replacements managed to spend £52m in a single year against an income of £38m and we all know where that ended up. I don’t see that happening with this Board. I think they’ve known for months that MP could well be seduced by an offer and although they hoped he would not be, by virtue of offering a better contract, they will have understood that he could go. So what sort of manager to replace? According to Krueger we are looking for “a manager that shares our values, our principles and our philosophy; a manager who can continue to grow the First Team and build on our strong foundation – a foundation led by an ambitious vision and plan that continues to build on our world-class academy, our amazing 129-year heritage and our excellent staff, and rewards our loyal and passionate fan base.” So not somebody who will through it all up in the air and start again. Somebody who will build from the current base and continue blending home grown youth with the best of what’s up and coming from elsewhere in Europe. Looking at Laudrup and Koeman again, I’m sure they quite fit the bill. They don’t have enough to prove to my thinking. They are European football aristocracy and I doubt they have the hunger to move sideways without being excessively bankrolled in the transfer market. By comparison the Premiership is unfinished business for Malky Mackay and he would have a supportive Board not a ‘mercurial’ owner- proprietor behind him. He’s a strong developmental manager and leader. On that score, Thomas Tuchel, formerly of Mainz has got to be worth a look as well as Yakim. Whichever way you look at it, I don’t think we need any experienced ‘old lags’ from the English game, ‘showponies’ from Euroland or wild gambles; just solid up and coming professionals with a good track record of success at their first and second clubs with good footballing pedigrees and the hunger to make a name on our next five year project. Speaking of which, I’d like to know what that is! Dan Howard
  • Score: 1

11:51am Wed 28 May 14

Santa Retfordia says...

Actually, I reckon we should continue with our policy of recruiting Argentinians from the 1998 world cup. Do you reckon Diego Simeone fancies a new challenge? I can't help but think he's taken Atletico as far as they can go...
Actually, I reckon we should continue with our policy of recruiting Argentinians from the 1998 world cup. Do you reckon Diego Simeone fancies a new challenge? I can't help but think he's taken Atletico as far as they can go... Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 5

11:53am Wed 28 May 14

SodburySaint93 says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
batesieboy wrote:
And the Saints go marching on on on!!
The Football Gods are always known for their dark irony, guess who I think we will be playing in the first prem game at St Marys next season?
Just laid £20 off with a spurs mate of mine on that scenario, who by the way, thinks MP at Tottenham is a bad move.
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: And the Saints go marching on on on!![/p][/quote]The Football Gods are always known for their dark irony, guess who I think we will be playing in the first prem game at St Marys next season?[/p][/quote]Just laid £20 off with a spurs mate of mine on that scenario, who by the way, thinks MP at Tottenham is a bad move. SodburySaint93
  • Score: -3

11:54am Wed 28 May 14

Alty Saint says...

Thought Lallana wanted champions league so why would he go to Tottenham?
Thought Lallana wanted champions league so why would he go to Tottenham? Alty Saint
  • Score: 3

11:56am Wed 28 May 14

Alty Saint says...

Let's get over Poch, he made us believe we could achieve greater things but Murat Yakin is as good if not better and could take us further next season if he gets the job. COYR!!
Let's get over Poch, he made us believe we could achieve greater things but Murat Yakin is as good if not better and could take us further next season if he gets the job. COYR!! Alty Saint
  • Score: 2

12:04pm Wed 28 May 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Sky Sports are saying that Ronald Koeman is now a favourite to take over!

Wouldn't be a bad choice.
Sky Sports are saying that Ronald Koeman is now a favourite to take over! Wouldn't be a bad choice. SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: -2

12:08pm Wed 28 May 14

cebu blue says...

Don't worry lads losing a good manager and some top players is the norm they tend to have short memories when better offers come along from better or more attractive clubs.... because they think the grass is so much greener on the other side or should i say, lots more dosh to be had anyway.
Still having loads of money in the bank is no good if half your team goes walkies to other so called top teams. Could be a few more season ticket holders not returning next season.
We may be poor but looking forward...it's better than being stuffed with money on a downward spiral.
pup
Don't worry lads losing a good manager and some top players is the norm they tend to have short memories when better offers come along from better or more attractive clubs.... because they think the grass is so much greener on the other side or should i say, lots more dosh to be had anyway. Still having loads of money in the bank is no good if half your team goes walkies to other so called top teams. Could be a few more season ticket holders not returning next season. We may be poor but looking forward...it's better than being stuffed with money on a downward spiral. pup cebu blue
  • Score: -3

12:10pm Wed 28 May 14

milton road says...

Being a Saints supporter for 50 years I have seen many ups and downs at the club. Our squad took time to settle in the Premier and the first ten games six against top clubs left us in trouble. After that NA turned the side round not MP, the side was on the up when MP took over. I still am left to be convinced that NA would not have produced similar standing with this maturing team.
We were playing slick flowing football before MP came.
Tika taka football is great, its attack and press but it is very vulnerable to counter atack as we have seen. No I did not want MP to go, we had everything in place, it now depends on the players loyalty to the fans.
This club can still progress with a manager like Moyes or Laudrup. Moyes is a proven long term manager who knows how to deal with a club our size and with our budget.
Yet whatever happens it needs to be a fast decision and the right one.
Being a Saints supporter for 50 years I have seen many ups and downs at the club. Our squad took time to settle in the Premier and the first ten games six against top clubs left us in trouble. After that NA turned the side round not MP, the side was on the up when MP took over. I still am left to be convinced that NA would not have produced similar standing with this maturing team. We were playing slick flowing football before MP came. Tika taka football is great, its attack and press but it is very vulnerable to counter atack as we have seen. No I did not want MP to go, we had everything in place, it now depends on the players loyalty to the fans. This club can still progress with a manager like Moyes or Laudrup. Moyes is a proven long term manager who knows how to deal with a club our size and with our budget. Yet whatever happens it needs to be a fast decision and the right one. milton road
  • Score: 3

12:25pm Wed 28 May 14

SaintJD says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Good riddance to the slime ball. If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals. Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did. I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs. Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1. You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well. As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one! I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out. Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in. I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do. COYR FOADP
Agree - f***k MP and the Spuds.

Big cheer when they lose - and they will - and go into meltdown in the Cup Competitions with Jesus picking the Team.

Let's get a Manager in place and a few goal scorers.
First thing - let's be under no illusion:

MP was our best and most promising manager of the Premier League era

Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw are both top, top quality players who we would miss if they left. Adam is the best creative midfielder England have had since Gazza, as the World Cup will no doubt prove and Luke has the potential to be up there with Gareth Bale.

But no matter what happens we will survive and do well, because the structure has been and will always be in place to bring young kids through.

Every Adam and Luke that leaves leaves a door ajar for future stars to come into the squad. Next season will be JWP's season in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Good riddance to the slime ball. If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals. Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did. I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs. Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1. You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well. As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one! I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out. Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in. I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]Agree - f***k MP and the Spuds. Big cheer when they lose - and they will - and go into meltdown in the Cup Competitions with Jesus picking the Team. Let's get a Manager in place and a few goal scorers.[/p][/quote]First thing - let's be under no illusion: MP was our best and most promising manager of the Premier League era Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw are both top, top quality players who we would miss if they left. Adam is the best creative midfielder England have had since Gazza, as the World Cup will no doubt prove and Luke has the potential to be up there with Gareth Bale. But no matter what happens we will survive and do well, because the structure has been and will always be in place to bring young kids through. Every Adam and Luke that leaves leaves a door ajar for future stars to come into the squad. Next season will be JWP's season in my opinion. SaintJD
  • Score: -4

12:27pm Wed 28 May 14

J7junctionseven says...

cebu blue wrote:
Don't worry lads losing a good manager and some top players is the norm they tend to have short memories when better offers come along from better or more attractive clubs.... because they think the grass is so much greener on the other side or should i say, lots more dosh to be had anyway.
Still having loads of money in the bank is no good if half your team goes walkies to other so called top teams. Could be a few more season ticket holders not returning next season.
We may be poor but looking forward...it's better than being stuffed with money on a downward spiral.
pup
Or poor on an even more downward spiral eh? fish fiddler
[quote][p][bold]cebu blue[/bold] wrote: Don't worry lads losing a good manager and some top players is the norm they tend to have short memories when better offers come along from better or more attractive clubs.... because they think the grass is so much greener on the other side or should i say, lots more dosh to be had anyway. Still having loads of money in the bank is no good if half your team goes walkies to other so called top teams. Could be a few more season ticket holders not returning next season. We may be poor but looking forward...it's better than being stuffed with money on a downward spiral. pup[/p][/quote]Or poor on an even more downward spiral eh? fish fiddler J7junctionseven
  • Score: -1

12:28pm Wed 28 May 14

Santa Retfordia says...

Dan Howard wrote:
Looking around at the composition and behaviour of some Boards of premier league clubs, I look at SFC’s with relief. It comprises an owner who is interested for legacy reasons, experienced sports professionals and business people.
Remember when Rupert Lowe stood down from the board for 18 months? His replacements managed to spend £52m in a single year against an income of £38m and we all know where that ended up.
I don’t see that happening with this Board.
I think they’ve known for months that MP could well be seduced by an offer and although they hoped he would not be, by virtue of offering a better contract, they will have understood that he could go.
So what sort of manager to replace? According to Krueger we are looking for “a manager that shares our values, our principles and our philosophy; a manager who can continue to grow the First Team and build on our strong foundation – a foundation led by an ambitious vision and plan that continues to build on our world-class academy, our amazing 129-year heritage and our excellent staff, and rewards our loyal and passionate fan base.” So not somebody who will through it all up in the air and start again. Somebody who will build from the current base and continue blending home grown youth with the best of what’s up and coming from elsewhere in Europe.
Looking at Laudrup and Koeman again, I’m sure they quite fit the bill. They don’t have enough to prove to my thinking. They are European football aristocracy and I doubt they have the hunger to move sideways without being excessively bankrolled in the transfer market.
By comparison the Premiership is unfinished business for Malky Mackay and he would have a supportive Board not a ‘mercurial’ owner- proprietor behind him. He’s a strong developmental manager and leader. On that score, Thomas Tuchel, formerly of Mainz has got to be worth a look as well as Yakim.
Whichever way you look at it, I don’t think we need any experienced ‘old lags’ from the English game, ‘showponies’ from Euroland or wild gambles; just solid up and coming professionals with a good track record of success at their first and second clubs with good footballing pedigrees and the hunger to make a name on our next five year project. Speaking of which, I’d like to know what that is!
Oi! There's a place for well-reasoned and erudite comments and it's not on this site, sunshine.

(Just joshing - it was an excellent post.)
[quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: Looking around at the composition and behaviour of some Boards of premier league clubs, I look at SFC’s with relief. It comprises an owner who is interested for legacy reasons, experienced sports professionals and business people. Remember when Rupert Lowe stood down from the board for 18 months? His replacements managed to spend £52m in a single year against an income of £38m and we all know where that ended up. I don’t see that happening with this Board. I think they’ve known for months that MP could well be seduced by an offer and although they hoped he would not be, by virtue of offering a better contract, they will have understood that he could go. So what sort of manager to replace? According to Krueger we are looking for “a manager that shares our values, our principles and our philosophy; a manager who can continue to grow the First Team and build on our strong foundation – a foundation led by an ambitious vision and plan that continues to build on our world-class academy, our amazing 129-year heritage and our excellent staff, and rewards our loyal and passionate fan base.” So not somebody who will through it all up in the air and start again. Somebody who will build from the current base and continue blending home grown youth with the best of what’s up and coming from elsewhere in Europe. Looking at Laudrup and Koeman again, I’m sure they quite fit the bill. They don’t have enough to prove to my thinking. They are European football aristocracy and I doubt they have the hunger to move sideways without being excessively bankrolled in the transfer market. By comparison the Premiership is unfinished business for Malky Mackay and he would have a supportive Board not a ‘mercurial’ owner- proprietor behind him. He’s a strong developmental manager and leader. On that score, Thomas Tuchel, formerly of Mainz has got to be worth a look as well as Yakim. Whichever way you look at it, I don’t think we need any experienced ‘old lags’ from the English game, ‘showponies’ from Euroland or wild gambles; just solid up and coming professionals with a good track record of success at their first and second clubs with good footballing pedigrees and the hunger to make a name on our next five year project. Speaking of which, I’d like to know what that is![/p][/quote]Oi! There's a place for well-reasoned and erudite comments and it's not on this site, sunshine. (Just joshing - it was an excellent post.) Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 0

12:32pm Wed 28 May 14

Barkered says...

If the board could achieve the following, I'd hope that most of us would be happy:

- Get Yakin in by the end of this week.
- Get him to make a decent statement about retaining the players and building the youth, working on a LONG TERM plan looking towards building for the future.
- Make it clear that there is still ambition but make it realistic.
- Don't write off the Europa league, like Poch did.

In my opinion, a finish above 8th next season isn't unrealstic, as long as we retain the strength in the squad.

- Whoever does join, they'd be wise to make a decent, passionate effort at getting as far through the FA cup as they can.
If the board could achieve the following, I'd hope that most of us would be happy: - Get Yakin in by the end of this week. - Get him to make a decent statement about retaining the players and building the youth, working on a LONG TERM plan looking towards building for the future. - Make it clear that there is still ambition but make it realistic. - Don't write off the Europa league, like Poch did. In my opinion, a finish above 8th next season isn't unrealstic, as long as we retain the strength in the squad. - Whoever does join, they'd be wise to make a decent, passionate effort at getting as far through the FA cup as they can. Barkered
  • Score: 0

12:32pm Wed 28 May 14

THE12THMAN says...

cebu blue wrote:
Don't worry lads losing a good manager and some top players is the norm they tend to have short memories when better offers come along from better or more attractive clubs.... because they think the grass is so much greener on the other side or should i say, lots more dosh to be had anyway. Still having loads of money in the bank is no good if half your team goes walkies to other so called top teams. Could be a few more season ticket holders not returning next season. We may be poor but looking forward...it's better than being stuffed with money on a downward spiral. pup
Yes but you are poor and on a downward spiral with a decrepit old stadium and a team worth two and sixpence in old money, At the end of the day you will still be locking up at Southampton Football Club with envy COYR.
[quote][p][bold]cebu blue[/bold] wrote: Don't worry lads losing a good manager and some top players is the norm they tend to have short memories when better offers come along from better or more attractive clubs.... because they think the grass is so much greener on the other side or should i say, lots more dosh to be had anyway. Still having loads of money in the bank is no good if half your team goes walkies to other so called top teams. Could be a few more season ticket holders not returning next season. We may be poor but looking forward...it's better than being stuffed with money on a downward spiral. pup[/p][/quote]Yes but you are poor and on a downward spiral with a decrepit old stadium and a team worth two and sixpence in old money, At the end of the day you will still be locking up at Southampton Football Club with envy COYR. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 1

12:33pm Wed 28 May 14

J7junctionseven says...

We've just renewed our season tickets (11 of us and counting)
That's our commitment to the club sorted for another season.
Now it's time for the Club to show theirs and act quickly to let us know who we are going to be following up and down the country and at SMS.
Can't wait for Spuds and diverpool etc next season!!
COYR FOADP
We've just renewed our season tickets (11 of us and counting) That's our commitment to the club sorted for another season. Now it's time for the Club to show theirs and act quickly to let us know who we are going to be following up and down the country and at SMS. Can't wait for Spuds and diverpool etc next season!! COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

12:35pm Wed 28 May 14

damoose says...

I wrote here the last game of the season,it did not sit well with me the way Krueger seems to have KL,a lot of fans here gave me stick but I stand by that statement even more so now...KL should take a back-seat approach and dump Reed he`s clueless,no top-class manager is going to work with him..these are not down and dirty football people that know the ins and outs of the game..best thing they can do now, is call The Don and ask him who they should appoint.
I wrote here the last game of the season,it did not sit well with me the way Krueger seems to have KL,a lot of fans here gave me stick but I stand by that statement even more so now...KL should take a back-seat approach and dump Reed he`s clueless,no top-class manager is going to work with him..these are not down and dirty football people that know the ins and outs of the game..best thing they can do now, is call The Don and ask him who they should appoint. damoose
  • Score: -19

12:38pm Wed 28 May 14

jls217 says...

Shock, Horror!!!!

Newly arrived football manager goes back to his last club to pick over the carcass.

The biggest surprise (and insult) would be if Pochettino did not try to prise a couple away from us.

What's done is done and it's what happens next is important. Think we can take it as written there will be players going (and if we can keep that to player - I'd be ecstatic) departing - all but inevitable. No player is irreplaceable some are just more difficult to replace than others.

Next season is going to be the best yet.
Shock, Horror!!!! Newly arrived football manager goes back to his last club to pick over the carcass. The biggest surprise (and insult) would be if Pochettino did not try to prise a couple away from us. What's done is done and it's what happens next is important. Think we can take it as written there will be players going (and if we can keep that to player - I'd be ecstatic) departing - all but inevitable. No player is irreplaceable some are just more difficult to replace than others. Next season is going to be the best yet. jls217
  • Score: 1

12:55pm Wed 28 May 14

justaSaintsfan says...

noodlesnewman wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
The King is dead. Long live the King.

At last something has happened (Mo Po has gone) and things are starting to become apparent. Jason Dodds and Paul Williams were sacked BEFORE Mo Po resigned. There now seems a certain significance to it all. I reckon that perhaps Southampton FC knew before Jason and Paul were sacked that Mo Po and his coaching team were all going to Tottenham Hotspur. If that is the case, perhaps the intention is for Saints to replace all those coaches with a ready made coaching team from elsewhere. The Saints board might already have targeted such a coaching team, which is possibly not in this country.

What is very significant is that Ralph Krueger's statement was as tight lipped as he could possibly make it. The club is still giving no clues as to what is going on.

I believe that Katharina Liebherr and the board of directors do have a plan to improve Saints and that the process is already under way. Katharina has been attending Saints matches, which is not a sign that she wants to sell the club or all it's best
poch was nt king ,any decent manager could of got good results from our superb young squad ! To jump ship that quick he obviously wasnt the right man ! This negative will be turned into a positive mines a half a glass half full right now potchetino was a nobody before he came to saints and the way he approached those cup game was awfull and naive ! Lets have this new high CALIBRE man then , onwards and upwards !
I agree, of course, with all you say, including that Poch wasn't King.
My words that the King is dead and long live the King infer that Saints will always get new coaching staff.

The club is always bigger than any manager who departs. It is the club that matters and I still say Southampton FC is still in Katharina's very safe hands. Saint Markus and Katharina have ready given us five years of remarkable progress. I think that progress will continue next season and beyond.
[quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: The King is dead. Long live the King. At last something has happened (Mo Po has gone) and things are starting to become apparent. Jason Dodds and Paul Williams were sacked BEFORE Mo Po resigned. There now seems a certain significance to it all. I reckon that perhaps Southampton FC knew before Jason and Paul were sacked that Mo Po and his coaching team were all going to Tottenham Hotspur. If that is the case, perhaps the intention is for Saints to replace all those coaches with a ready made coaching team from elsewhere. The Saints board might already have targeted such a coaching team, which is possibly not in this country. What is very significant is that Ralph Krueger's statement was as tight lipped as he could possibly make it. The club is still giving no clues as to what is going on. I believe that Katharina Liebherr and the board of directors do have a plan to improve Saints and that the process is already under way. Katharina has been attending Saints matches, which is not a sign that she wants to sell the club or all it's best[/p][/quote]poch was nt king ,any decent manager could of got good results from our superb young squad ! To jump ship that quick he obviously wasnt the right man ! This negative will be turned into a positive mines a half a glass half full right now potchetino was a nobody before he came to saints and the way he approached those cup game was awfull and naive ! Lets have this new high CALIBRE man then , onwards and upwards ![/p][/quote]I agree, of course, with all you say, including that Poch wasn't King. My words that the King is dead and long live the King infer that Saints will always get new coaching staff. The club is always bigger than any manager who departs. It is the club that matters and I still say Southampton FC is still in Katharina's very safe hands. Saint Markus and Katharina have ready given us five years of remarkable progress. I think that progress will continue next season and beyond. justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 1

12:55pm Wed 28 May 14

SaintJD says...

There's a poll on Sky Sports asking whether MP is a good appointment. Suggest people go on to tip it in the negative direction. You know Spurs fans - easily swayed by opnion. If we can start putting doubts in their minds they might not give him the three games patience to be in the top three before turning on him.

My prediction is that they will play much improved football next season but essentially not really improve their points tally or position - as with us, it will be great to watch, but they will leave the back door open and suffer for it. Add the Europa League into the mix and top four would be a tough ask for any manager - and MP is, let's face it, a very good manager if you give him time and room to work. You can't play high-intensity football on a Thursday and Sunday every week though, even if you swap out two thirds of the team. Less time for training, more fatigue, will be interesting.

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There's a poll on Sky Sports asking whether MP is a good appointment. Suggest people go on to tip it in the negative direction. You know Spurs fans - easily swayed by opnion. If we can start putting doubts in their minds they might not give him the three games patience to be in the top three before turning on him. My prediction is that they will play much improved football next season but essentially not really improve their points tally or position - as with us, it will be great to watch, but they will leave the back door open and suffer for it. Add the Europa League into the mix and top four would be a tough ask for any manager - and MP is, let's face it, a very good manager if you give him time and room to work. You can't play high-intensity football on a Thursday and Sunday every week though, even if you swap out two thirds of the team. Less time for training, more fatigue, will be interesting. http://www1.skysport s.com/football/news/ 18932/9328348/mauric io-pochettino-must-b e-given-time-to-buil d-a-team-at-tottenha m SaintJD
  • Score: -4

1:02pm Wed 28 May 14

Tevez888 says...

The Club will be here long after every Manager and Player of this great club. If anyone leaves, they go with my backing - simply because they do not share the passion we have anymore!
Southampton FC will be in my heart forever, and anyone proud enough to manage and play for the club will get my support..... for the length of their service!
Goodbye MoPo, Good Luck - you will need it, I just hope you left at the right time and not the wrong time! I consider it to be the latter....
OUR JOURNEY WAS REAL!
The Club will be here long after every Manager and Player of this great club. If anyone leaves, they go with my backing - simply because they do not share the passion we have anymore! Southampton FC will be in my heart forever, and anyone proud enough to manage and play for the club will get my support..... for the length of their service! Goodbye MoPo, Good Luck - you will need it, I just hope you left at the right time and not the wrong time! I consider it to be the latter.... OUR JOURNEY WAS REAL! Tevez888
  • Score: -3

1:06pm Wed 28 May 14

TGodSFC says...

SaintJD wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Good riddance to the slime ball. If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals. Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did. I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs. Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1. You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well. As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one! I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out. Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in. I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do. COYR FOADP
Agree - f***k MP and the Spuds.

Big cheer when they lose - and they will - and go into meltdown in the Cup Competitions with Jesus picking the Team.

Let's get a Manager in place and a few goal scorers.
First thing - let's be under no illusion:

MP was our best and most promising manager of the Premier League era

Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw are both top, top quality players who we would miss if they left. Adam is the best creative midfielder England have had since Gazza, as the World Cup will no doubt prove and Luke has the potential to be up there with Gareth Bale.

But no matter what happens we will survive and do well, because the structure has been and will always be in place to bring young kids through.

Every Adam and Luke that leaves leaves a door ajar for future stars to come into the squad. Next season will be JWP's season in my opinion.
Jake Hesketh will be better than Adz in time. Jos Sims has the potentional to be the new Bale. You heard ithear first!!
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Good riddance to the slime ball. If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals. Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did. I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs. Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1. You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well. As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one! I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out. Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in. I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]Agree - f***k MP and the Spuds. Big cheer when they lose - and they will - and go into meltdown in the Cup Competitions with Jesus picking the Team. Let's get a Manager in place and a few goal scorers.[/p][/quote]First thing - let's be under no illusion: MP was our best and most promising manager of the Premier League era Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw are both top, top quality players who we would miss if they left. Adam is the best creative midfielder England have had since Gazza, as the World Cup will no doubt prove and Luke has the potential to be up there with Gareth Bale. But no matter what happens we will survive and do well, because the structure has been and will always be in place to bring young kids through. Every Adam and Luke that leaves leaves a door ajar for future stars to come into the squad. Next season will be JWP's season in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Jake Hesketh will be better than Adz in time. Jos Sims has the potentional to be the new Bale. You heard ithear first!! TGodSFC
  • Score: 0

1:34pm Wed 28 May 14

Confucious says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.
You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina.

People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision.

I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears.
Nicola and MoPo have gone - neither were fired and both were asked to stay. So what do we do now - get the hump because they bu*gered off and bring down the board and Katherina as well?

Neither Nicola or MoPo put a penny into the club and both were paid well north of a million a year to do their jobs.

The Liebherr family saved the club and have sunk tens of millions into it. That's some straw and I'm sticking to it.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina. People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision. I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears.[/p][/quote]Nicola and MoPo have gone - neither were fired and both were asked to stay. So what do we do now - get the hump because they bu*gered off and bring down the board and Katherina as well? Neither Nicola or MoPo put a penny into the club and both were paid well north of a million a year to do their jobs. The Liebherr family saved the club and have sunk tens of millions into it. That's some straw and I'm sticking to it. Confucious
  • Score: 28

1:40pm Wed 28 May 14

West Cork Saiint says...

I was discussing this with my gutted 12 year old Son last night and when you talk it through, the events of yesterday and the ones ahead of us were/are really inevitable in todays modern times.
1. SFC has reached it's ceiling in terms of performance this year. We should be under no illusions that we can compete equally with the 7 clubs ahead of us this season, and to have bettered many of the bigger clubs below us is a testiment to the brilliant players brought on by a brilliant manager who have played out of their skins and we have had a great year as SFC fans - possibly the best we can expect for some time.
2. Mopo knows the above, he is smart and he knows we will probably loose a few of our best players this season - not much anyone can do about that, even the owners if the players feel the same and want to go, so he has cashed in at the Prem managers poker table and good luck to him (he will need it at Spurs!)
3. We will probably loose the likes of Adam and Luke, and with what is on offer from the bigger clubs, who can really blame them. LeTis was a one off!
4. If the owners want to maintain their investment, they will appoint another manager, providing he is not a complete numpty, we will get behind him, invest in a few new players to replace the outgoing ones, continue to nurture the stars of the future coming through our amazing academy, balance the books and press on.

Ok, we may not make 8th again next year, but we will do ok and our rollercoaster will continue.
Strap in, hold on, keep calm and feep the faith. SFC is for life, not just for christmas! ;-)
I was discussing this with my gutted 12 year old Son last night and when you talk it through, the events of yesterday and the ones ahead of us were/are really inevitable in todays modern times. 1. SFC has reached it's ceiling in terms of performance this year. We should be under no illusions that we can compete equally with the 7 clubs ahead of us this season, and to have bettered many of the bigger clubs below us is a testiment to the brilliant players brought on by a brilliant manager who have played out of their skins and we have had a great year as SFC fans - possibly the best we can expect for some time. 2. Mopo knows the above, he is smart and he knows we will probably loose a few of our best players this season - not much anyone can do about that, even the owners if the players feel the same and want to go, so he has cashed in at the Prem managers poker table and good luck to him (he will need it at Spurs!) 3. We will probably loose the likes of Adam and Luke, and with what is on offer from the bigger clubs, who can really blame them. LeTis was a one off! 4. If the owners want to maintain their investment, they will appoint another manager, providing he is not a complete numpty, we will get behind him, invest in a few new players to replace the outgoing ones, continue to nurture the stars of the future coming through our amazing academy, balance the books and press on. Ok, we may not make 8th again next year, but we will do ok and our rollercoaster will continue. Strap in, hold on, keep calm and feep the faith. SFC is for life, not just for christmas! ;-) West Cork Saiint
  • Score: 0

1:55pm Wed 28 May 14

ChapelEndCharlie says...

South Today just announced that they will be talking to Ralph Krueger this afternoon and his interview will be broadcast tonight in South Today at 6:30

Didn't sound like they were expecting big announcements but who knows?
South Today just announced that they will be talking to Ralph Krueger this afternoon and his interview will be broadcast tonight in South Today at 6:30 Didn't sound like they were expecting big announcements but who knows? ChapelEndCharlie
  • Score: -1

2:00pm Wed 28 May 14

ChapelEndCharlie says...

Confirmation on Twitter re Krueger interview:

"Adam Blackmore ‏@bigadamsport 13m

Just about to interview #saintsfc chairman Ralph Krueger for the BBC. Hear it on @BBCRadioSolent in drive-time with @louhannan after 5"
Confirmation on Twitter re Krueger interview: "Adam Blackmore ‏@bigadamsport 13m Just about to interview #saintsfc chairman Ralph Krueger for the BBC. Hear it on @BBCRadioSolent in drive-time with @louhannan after 5" ChapelEndCharlie
  • Score: -1

2:09pm Wed 28 May 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote: The King is dead. Long live the King. At last something has happened (Mo Po has gone) and things are starting to become apparent. Jason Dodds and Paul Williams were sacked BEFORE Mo Po resigned. There now seems a certain significance to it all. I reckon that perhaps Southampton FC knew before Jason and Paul were sacked that Mo Po and his coaching team were all going to Tottenham Hotspur. If that is the case, perhaps the intention is for Saints to replace all those coaches with a ready made coaching team from elsewhere. The Saints board might already have targeted such a coaching team, which is possibly not in this country. What is very significant is that Ralph Krueger's statement was as tight lipped as he could possibly make it. The club is still giving no clues as to what is going on. I believe that Katharina Liebherr and the board of directors do have a plan to improve Saints and that the process is already under way. Katharina has been attending Saints matches, which is not a sign that she wants to sell the club or all it's best
What is apparent is the lack of goals in the current SAINTS TEAM Take out Adam and with Jrod injured - there are no goals in the Team apart from RICKIE. We really need to get moving on getting a TOP GOAL SCORER. Sorting the Dani situation is also important but must not delay our future acquisition of a cutting edge Striker. MANAGER-STRIKER-KEEP OUR STAR PLAYERS
OSPRAY SAINT - Stop hidiung behind your keyboard dishing out minus points all day.

Don't worry about a New Manager and our lack of Strike - there are important matters like spelling to correct and make sure no-on is using CAPS LOCK

LOL
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: The King is dead. Long live the King. At last something has happened (Mo Po has gone) and things are starting to become apparent. Jason Dodds and Paul Williams were sacked BEFORE Mo Po resigned. There now seems a certain significance to it all. I reckon that perhaps Southampton FC knew before Jason and Paul were sacked that Mo Po and his coaching team were all going to Tottenham Hotspur. If that is the case, perhaps the intention is for Saints to replace all those coaches with a ready made coaching team from elsewhere. The Saints board might already have targeted such a coaching team, which is possibly not in this country. What is very significant is that Ralph Krueger's statement was as tight lipped as he could possibly make it. The club is still giving no clues as to what is going on. I believe that Katharina Liebherr and the board of directors do have a plan to improve Saints and that the process is already under way. Katharina has been attending Saints matches, which is not a sign that she wants to sell the club or all it's best[/p][/quote]What is apparent is the lack of goals in the current SAINTS TEAM Take out Adam and with Jrod injured - there are no goals in the Team apart from RICKIE. We really need to get moving on getting a TOP GOAL SCORER. Sorting the Dani situation is also important but must not delay our future acquisition of a cutting edge Striker. MANAGER-STRIKER-KEEP OUR STAR PLAYERS[/p][/quote]OSPRAY SAINT - Stop hidiung behind your keyboard dishing out minus points all day. Don't worry about a New Manager and our lack of Strike - there are important matters like spelling to correct and make sure no-on is using CAPS LOCK LOL The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 2

2:14pm Wed 28 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Confucious wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.
You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina.

People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision.

I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears.
Nicola and MoPo have gone - neither were fired and both were asked to stay. So what do we do now - get the hump because they bu*gered off and bring down the board and Katherina as well?

Neither Nicola or MoPo put a penny into the club and both were paid well north of a million a year to do their jobs.

The Liebherr family saved the club and have sunk tens of millions into it. That's some straw and I'm sticking to it.
Nicola was extremely highly paid. However, he took an asset purchased for £14m and turned it into one worth well over £100m, so even allowing for the debt to equity swap, which I believe was about £30m, that's a handsome profit by anyone's calculation.

That is when the decision needed to be made of whether to sell the club on or retain ownership. If the decision to retain was to be made then further investment was vital because the manager and players had made it absolutely crystal clear they would only stay if the club continued with its ambitions to compete at the very top and additional players would be required to achieve this.

The one thing that had to be avoided at all costs was to retain ownership and not invest because that would result in the manager upping sticks followed by the players resulting in an asset worth far less than it previously was and a bunch of p1ssed off fans.....
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina. People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision. I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears.[/p][/quote]Nicola and MoPo have gone - neither were fired and both were asked to stay. So what do we do now - get the hump because they bu*gered off and bring down the board and Katherina as well? Neither Nicola or MoPo put a penny into the club and both were paid well north of a million a year to do their jobs. The Liebherr family saved the club and have sunk tens of millions into it. That's some straw and I'm sticking to it.[/p][/quote]Nicola was extremely highly paid. However, he took an asset purchased for £14m and turned it into one worth well over £100m, so even allowing for the debt to equity swap, which I believe was about £30m, that's a handsome profit by anyone's calculation. That is when the decision needed to be made of whether to sell the club on or retain ownership. If the decision to retain was to be made then further investment was vital because the manager and players had made it absolutely crystal clear they would only stay if the club continued with its ambitions to compete at the very top and additional players would be required to achieve this. The one thing that had to be avoided at all costs was to retain ownership and not invest because that would result in the manager upping sticks followed by the players resulting in an asset worth far less than it previously was and a bunch of p1ssed off fans..... Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -3

2:14pm Wed 28 May 14

bobby the crane says...

I did make a comment some time ago that he & some of the best players would follow, & that Ms Katrina Liebherr was only interested in a money making machine, watch this space on who follows him.
I did make a comment some time ago that he & some of the best players would follow, & that Ms Katrina Liebherr was only interested in a money making machine, watch this space on who follows him. bobby the crane
  • Score: -10

2:19pm Wed 28 May 14

fairdinkum says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Actually, I reckon we should continue with our policy of recruiting Argentinians from the 1998 world cup. Do you reckon Diego Simeone fancies a new challenge? I can't help but think he's taken Atletico as far as they can go...
No, too easy. Let's give him a real challenge...........
.Portsmouth!!
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Actually, I reckon we should continue with our policy of recruiting Argentinians from the 1998 world cup. Do you reckon Diego Simeone fancies a new challenge? I can't help but think he's taken Atletico as far as they can go...[/p][/quote]No, too easy. Let's give him a real challenge........... .Portsmouth!! fairdinkum
  • Score: 3

2:26pm Wed 28 May 14

J7junctionseven says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote: The King is dead. Long live the King. At last something has happened (Mo Po has gone) and things are starting to become apparent. Jason Dodds and Paul Williams were sacked BEFORE Mo Po resigned. There now seems a certain significance to it all. I reckon that perhaps Southampton FC knew before Jason and Paul were sacked that Mo Po and his coaching team were all going to Tottenham Hotspur. If that is the case, perhaps the intention is for Saints to replace all those coaches with a ready made coaching team from elsewhere. The Saints board might already have targeted such a coaching team, which is possibly not in this country. What is very significant is that Ralph Krueger's statement was as tight lipped as he could possibly make it. The club is still giving no clues as to what is going on. I believe that Katharina Liebherr and the board of directors do have a plan to improve Saints and that the process is already under way. Katharina has been attending Saints matches, which is not a sign that she wants to sell the club or all it's best
What is apparent is the lack of goals in the current SAINTS TEAM Take out Adam and with Jrod injured - there are no goals in the Team apart from RICKIE. We really need to get moving on getting a TOP GOAL SCORER. Sorting the Dani situation is also important but must not delay our future acquisition of a cutting edge Striker. MANAGER-STRIKER-KEEP OUR STAR PLAYERS
OSPRAY SAINT - Stop hidiung behind your keyboard dishing out minus points all day.

Don't worry about a New Manager and our lack of Strike - there are important matters like spelling to correct and make sure no-on is using CAPS LOCK

LOL
I noticed all the minus votes starting to kick in and thought it was skunt trolls.
Is that what he does?
PRETTY SAD REALLY.
COYR
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: The King is dead. Long live the King. At last something has happened (Mo Po has gone) and things are starting to become apparent. Jason Dodds and Paul Williams were sacked BEFORE Mo Po resigned. There now seems a certain significance to it all. I reckon that perhaps Southampton FC knew before Jason and Paul were sacked that Mo Po and his coaching team were all going to Tottenham Hotspur. If that is the case, perhaps the intention is for Saints to replace all those coaches with a ready made coaching team from elsewhere. The Saints board might already have targeted such a coaching team, which is possibly not in this country. What is very significant is that Ralph Krueger's statement was as tight lipped as he could possibly make it. The club is still giving no clues as to what is going on. I believe that Katharina Liebherr and the board of directors do have a plan to improve Saints and that the process is already under way. Katharina has been attending Saints matches, which is not a sign that she wants to sell the club or all it's best[/p][/quote]What is apparent is the lack of goals in the current SAINTS TEAM Take out Adam and with Jrod injured - there are no goals in the Team apart from RICKIE. We really need to get moving on getting a TOP GOAL SCORER. Sorting the Dani situation is also important but must not delay our future acquisition of a cutting edge Striker. MANAGER-STRIKER-KEEP OUR STAR PLAYERS[/p][/quote]OSPRAY SAINT - Stop hidiung behind your keyboard dishing out minus points all day. Don't worry about a New Manager and our lack of Strike - there are important matters like spelling to correct and make sure no-on is using CAPS LOCK LOL[/p][/quote]I noticed all the minus votes starting to kick in and thought it was skunt trolls. Is that what he does? PRETTY SAD REALLY. COYR J7junctionseven
  • Score: 2

2:43pm Wed 28 May 14

7saint7 says...

I thought Pochettino would go when Cortese went . Fair play to Pochettino for staying till the end of season . Its sad to have lost a great manager & even greater chairmen who worked magic at are club. Had great plains for are loved club . What worrys me most is this Kruger guy . What i see here is a greedy man in it for some quick fast & very big pay day for him self .. I realyHope im wrong .
I thought Pochettino would go when Cortese went . Fair play to Pochettino for staying till the end of season . Its sad to have lost a great manager & even greater chairmen who worked magic at are club. Had great plains for are loved club . What worrys me most is this Kruger guy . What i see here is a greedy man in it for some quick fast & very big pay day for him self .. I realyHope im wrong . 7saint7
  • Score: -6

2:44pm Wed 28 May 14

TGodSFC says...

TGodSFC wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Good riddance to the slime ball. If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals. Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did. I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs. Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1. You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well. As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one! I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out. Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in. I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do. COYR FOADP
Agree - f***k MP and the Spuds.

Big cheer when they lose - and they will - and go into meltdown in the Cup Competitions with Jesus picking the Team.

Let's get a Manager in place and a few goal scorers.
First thing - let's be under no illusion:

MP was our best and most promising manager of the Premier League era

Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw are both top, top quality players who we would miss if they left. Adam is the best creative midfielder England have had since Gazza, as the World Cup will no doubt prove and Luke has the potential to be up there with Gareth Bale.

But no matter what happens we will survive and do well, because the structure has been and will always be in place to bring young kids through.

Every Adam and Luke that leaves leaves a door ajar for future stars to come into the squad. Next season will be JWP's season in my opinion.
Jake Hesketh will be better than Adz in time. Jos Sims has the potentional to be the new Bale. You heard ithear first!!
how do you people give thumbs down for this, do you know anything about saints or did you just support when they started playin well !!
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Good riddance to the slime ball. If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals. Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did. I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs. Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1. You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well. As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one! I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out. Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in. I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]Agree - f***k MP and the Spuds. Big cheer when they lose - and they will - and go into meltdown in the Cup Competitions with Jesus picking the Team. Let's get a Manager in place and a few goal scorers.[/p][/quote]First thing - let's be under no illusion: MP was our best and most promising manager of the Premier League era Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw are both top, top quality players who we would miss if they left. Adam is the best creative midfielder England have had since Gazza, as the World Cup will no doubt prove and Luke has the potential to be up there with Gareth Bale. But no matter what happens we will survive and do well, because the structure has been and will always be in place to bring young kids through. Every Adam and Luke that leaves leaves a door ajar for future stars to come into the squad. Next season will be JWP's season in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Jake Hesketh will be better than Adz in time. Jos Sims has the potentional to be the new Bale. You heard ithear first!![/p][/quote]how do you people give thumbs down for this, do you know anything about saints or did you just support when they started playin well !! TGodSFC
  • Score: 1

2:45pm Wed 28 May 14

Jonny Maths says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Actually, I reckon we should continue with our policy of recruiting Argentinians from the 1998 world cup. Do you reckon Diego Simeone fancies a new challenge? I can't help but think he's taken Atletico as far as they can go...
Was thinking exactly the same thing......
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Actually, I reckon we should continue with our policy of recruiting Argentinians from the 1998 world cup. Do you reckon Diego Simeone fancies a new challenge? I can't help but think he's taken Atletico as far as they can go...[/p][/quote]Was thinking exactly the same thing...... Jonny Maths
  • Score: 0

2:51pm Wed 28 May 14

J7junctionseven says...

Yesterdays betting with Paddy Power;
M Yakin 3/1
R Koeman 4/1
G Poyet 11/2
M Mackay 15/2
S Mc Claren 8/1
R Benitez 8/1
E Howe, M Laudrup 9/1
P Clement 10/1
N Lennon 12/1
AVB , Sherwood, Hoddle, Garcia 16/1
D Moyes 18/1
D Petrescu 20/1

A Awford No thanks he's sh!t / 1

Today's latest betting on Paddy Power
R Koeman 3/1
M Yakin 7/2
M Laudrup 7/1
G Poyet 9/1
M Mackay 10/1
S Mc Claren 10/1
R Diaz 10/1
R Di Matteo 12/1
N Lennon 12/1
E Howe 16/1
P Clement 16/1
D Moyes 16/1
A Villas-Boas 20/1
G Hoddle 20/1
R Benitez 20/1

A Awford No thanks he's still incredibly sh!t / 1

COYR FOADP
Yesterdays betting with Paddy Power; M Yakin 3/1 R Koeman 4/1 G Poyet 11/2 M Mackay 15/2 S Mc Claren 8/1 R Benitez 8/1 E Howe, M Laudrup 9/1 P Clement 10/1 N Lennon 12/1 AVB , Sherwood, Hoddle, Garcia 16/1 D Moyes 18/1 D Petrescu 20/1 A Awford No thanks he's sh!t / 1 Today's latest betting on Paddy Power R Koeman 3/1 M Yakin 7/2 M Laudrup 7/1 G Poyet 9/1 M Mackay 10/1 S Mc Claren 10/1 R Diaz 10/1 R Di Matteo 12/1 N Lennon 12/1 E Howe 16/1 P Clement 16/1 D Moyes 16/1 A Villas-Boas 20/1 G Hoddle 20/1 R Benitez 20/1 A Awford No thanks he's still incredibly sh!t / 1 COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 2

2:54pm Wed 28 May 14

J7junctionseven says...

TGodSFC wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Good riddance to the slime ball. If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals. Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did. I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs. Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1. You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well. As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one! I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out. Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in. I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do. COYR FOADP
Agree - f***k MP and the Spuds.

Big cheer when they lose - and they will - and go into meltdown in the Cup Competitions with Jesus picking the Team.

Let's get a Manager in place and a few goal scorers.
First thing - let's be under no illusion:

MP was our best and most promising manager of the Premier League era

Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw are both top, top quality players who we would miss if they left. Adam is the best creative midfielder England have had since Gazza, as the World Cup will no doubt prove and Luke has the potential to be up there with Gareth Bale.

But no matter what happens we will survive and do well, because the structure has been and will always be in place to bring young kids through.

Every Adam and Luke that leaves leaves a door ajar for future stars to come into the squad. Next season will be JWP's season in my opinion.
Jake Hesketh will be better than Adz in time. Jos Sims has the potentional to be the new Bale. You heard ithear first!!
how do you people give thumbs down for this, do you know anything about saints or did you just support when they started playin well !!
I don't think it's the real Saints fans doing it. It's probably skate trolls or one individual previously mentioned. Not sure how one person can vote so many times but I suppose it's possible if they are sad and lonely enough.
COYR FOADP
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Good riddance to the slime ball. If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals. Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did. I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs. Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1. You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well. As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one! I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out. Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in. I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]Agree - f***k MP and the Spuds. Big cheer when they lose - and they will - and go into meltdown in the Cup Competitions with Jesus picking the Team. Let's get a Manager in place and a few goal scorers.[/p][/quote]First thing - let's be under no illusion: MP was our best and most promising manager of the Premier League era Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw are both top, top quality players who we would miss if they left. Adam is the best creative midfielder England have had since Gazza, as the World Cup will no doubt prove and Luke has the potential to be up there with Gareth Bale. But no matter what happens we will survive and do well, because the structure has been and will always be in place to bring young kids through. Every Adam and Luke that leaves leaves a door ajar for future stars to come into the squad. Next season will be JWP's season in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Jake Hesketh will be better than Adz in time. Jos Sims has the potentional to be the new Bale. You heard ithear first!![/p][/quote]how do you people give thumbs down for this, do you know anything about saints or did you just support when they started playin well !![/p][/quote]I don't think it's the real Saints fans doing it. It's probably skate trolls or one individual previously mentioned. Not sure how one person can vote so many times but I suppose it's possible if they are sad and lonely enough. COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

2:56pm Wed 28 May 14

J7junctionseven says...

Who's R Diaz who's now at 10/1??
Who's R Diaz who's now at 10/1?? J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

3:09pm Wed 28 May 14

TGodSFC says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Good riddance to the slime ball. If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals. Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did. I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs. Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1. You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well. As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one! I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out. Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in. I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do. COYR FOADP
Agree - f***k MP and the Spuds.

Big cheer when they lose - and they will - and go into meltdown in the Cup Competitions with Jesus picking the Team.

Let's get a Manager in place and a few goal scorers.
First thing - let's be under no illusion:

MP was our best and most promising manager of the Premier League era

Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw are both top, top quality players who we would miss if they left. Adam is the best creative midfielder England have had since Gazza, as the World Cup will no doubt prove and Luke has the potential to be up there with Gareth Bale.

But no matter what happens we will survive and do well, because the structure has been and will always be in place to bring young kids through.

Every Adam and Luke that leaves leaves a door ajar for future stars to come into the squad. Next season will be JWP's season in my opinion.
Jake Hesketh will be better than Adz in time. Jos Sims has the potentional to be the new Bale. You heard ithear first!!
how do you people give thumbs down for this, do you know anything about saints or did you just support when they started playin well !!
I don't think it's the real Saints fans doing it. It's probably skate trolls or one individual previously mentioned. Not sure how one person can vote so many times but I suppose it's possible if they are sad and lonely enough.
COYR FOADP
I guess it is half term and most 12 year olds have a pc these days. Honestly though Hesketh look a player already.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Good riddance to the slime ball. If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals. Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did. I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs. Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1. You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well. As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one! I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out. Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in. I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]Agree - f***k MP and the Spuds. Big cheer when they lose - and they will - and go into meltdown in the Cup Competitions with Jesus picking the Team. Let's get a Manager in place and a few goal scorers.[/p][/quote]First thing - let's be under no illusion: MP was our best and most promising manager of the Premier League era Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw are both top, top quality players who we would miss if they left. Adam is the best creative midfielder England have had since Gazza, as the World Cup will no doubt prove and Luke has the potential to be up there with Gareth Bale. But no matter what happens we will survive and do well, because the structure has been and will always be in place to bring young kids through. Every Adam and Luke that leaves leaves a door ajar for future stars to come into the squad. Next season will be JWP's season in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Jake Hesketh will be better than Adz in time. Jos Sims has the potentional to be the new Bale. You heard ithear first!![/p][/quote]how do you people give thumbs down for this, do you know anything about saints or did you just support when they started playin well !![/p][/quote]I don't think it's the real Saints fans doing it. It's probably skate trolls or one individual previously mentioned. Not sure how one person can vote so many times but I suppose it's possible if they are sad and lonely enough. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]I guess it is half term and most 12 year olds have a pc these days. Honestly though Hesketh look a player already. TGodSFC
  • Score: 0

3:09pm Wed 28 May 14

SaintJD says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Who's R Diaz who's now at 10/1??
He's Argentinian. And that's about all the bookies and press need to clearly see him as an obvious choice. Bizarre. Recently left River Plate, but his record is far from amazing. Basically, he's Argentinian, a manager and alive, that's enough to get him in at 10/1.

Looks like the odds are purely based on speculation rather than insider knowledge thus far. Out of interest - what happened to the idea of advertising the job and asking people to apply before making your mind up? Doesn't mean you can't approach others, but might get a nice surprise from someone you hadn't considered. Old fashioned I guess.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Who's R Diaz who's now at 10/1??[/p][/quote]He's Argentinian. And that's about all the bookies and press need to clearly see him as an obvious choice. Bizarre. Recently left River Plate, but his record is far from amazing. Basically, he's Argentinian, a manager and alive, that's enough to get him in at 10/1. Looks like the odds are purely based on speculation rather than insider knowledge thus far. Out of interest - what happened to the idea of advertising the job and asking people to apply before making your mind up? Doesn't mean you can't approach others, but might get a nice surprise from someone you hadn't considered. Old fashioned I guess. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

3:13pm Wed 28 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'?

I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels.

When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable.

Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.
Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'? I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels. When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable. Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

3:16pm Wed 28 May 14

SaintJD says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Good riddance to the slime ball. If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals. Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did. I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs. Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1. You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well. As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one! I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out. Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in. I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do. COYR FOADP
Agree - f***k MP and the Spuds.

Big cheer when they lose - and they will - and go into meltdown in the Cup Competitions with Jesus picking the Team.

Let's get a Manager in place and a few goal scorers.
First thing - let's be under no illusion:

MP was our best and most promising manager of the Premier League era

Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw are both top, top quality players who we would miss if they left. Adam is the best creative midfielder England have had since Gazza, as the World Cup will no doubt prove and Luke has the potential to be up there with Gareth Bale.

But no matter what happens we will survive and do well, because the structure has been and will always be in place to bring young kids through.

Every Adam and Luke that leaves leaves a door ajar for future stars to come into the squad. Next season will be JWP's season in my opinion.
Jake Hesketh will be better than Adz in time. Jos Sims has the potentional to be the new Bale. You heard ithear first!!
how do you people give thumbs down for this, do you know anything about saints or did you just support when they started playin well !!
I don't think it's the real Saints fans doing it. It's probably skate trolls or one individual previously mentioned. Not sure how one person can vote so many times but I suppose it's possible if they are sad and lonely enough.
COYR FOADP
Plus you are probably spoiling the opportunity of some fans to wallow around in anger and self pity today - positivity is to be heavily frowned upon at times like these.

If you'd added insults towards the board, said that you were throwing your season ticket away, or credited Nicola Cortese for their development you'd have been better received.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Good riddance to the slime ball. If Adam and Luke want to go then put a really hefty price tag on them and go shopping asap for replacements that will fill the voids left by them with decent players who can also score goals. Lallana was never really a consistent goal scorer and should have weighed in with more than he ever did. I don't think Luke actually scored once for Saints which in this day and age is very uncommon for pacey full backs. Most gifted midfielders such as Adam should and do contribute an average of 10 -15 goals a season. He's only scored 48 in 238 League appearances and his highest tally is 15 when we were in League 1. You can argue that his assists tally may be better than some but there's still players out there that score goals and provide a good number of assists as well. As for full backs there are plenty in the PL and abroad that do score often. Luke is work in progress yes, but we can actually go get a new player who will deliver from the off if we pick the right one! I was as sick as a parrot like many on here when the news of that Argentine bloke leaving was confirmed and still a tad worried about who might also walk out. Now the dust has settled I'm starting to feel rather excited about the prospect of a new manager and new players arriving in the summer as long as they fit the Southampton way and as long as the players who do go bring in enough money to enable decent players etc to brought in. I couldn't really give a toss about wishing the deserters all the best but do really want the Spuds to fail miserably as they normally do. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]Agree - f***k MP and the Spuds. Big cheer when they lose - and they will - and go into meltdown in the Cup Competitions with Jesus picking the Team. Let's get a Manager in place and a few goal scorers.[/p][/quote]First thing - let's be under no illusion: MP was our best and most promising manager of the Premier League era Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw are both top, top quality players who we would miss if they left. Adam is the best creative midfielder England have had since Gazza, as the World Cup will no doubt prove and Luke has the potential to be up there with Gareth Bale. But no matter what happens we will survive and do well, because the structure has been and will always be in place to bring young kids through. Every Adam and Luke that leaves leaves a door ajar for future stars to come into the squad. Next season will be JWP's season in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Jake Hesketh will be better than Adz in time. Jos Sims has the potentional to be the new Bale. You heard ithear first!![/p][/quote]how do you people give thumbs down for this, do you know anything about saints or did you just support when they started playin well !![/p][/quote]I don't think it's the real Saints fans doing it. It's probably skate trolls or one individual previously mentioned. Not sure how one person can vote so many times but I suppose it's possible if they are sad and lonely enough. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]Plus you are probably spoiling the opportunity of some fans to wallow around in anger and self pity today - positivity is to be heavily frowned upon at times like these. If you'd added insults towards the board, said that you were throwing your season ticket away, or credited Nicola Cortese for their development you'd have been better received. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

3:20pm Wed 28 May 14

J7junctionseven says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'?

I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels.

When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable.

Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.
Could be worse......could be skunts
Hope you're wrong. Good post though.
COYR FOADP
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'? I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels. When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable. Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.[/p][/quote]Could be worse......could be skunts Hope you're wrong. Good post though. COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

3:25pm Wed 28 May 14

J7junctionseven says...

SaintJD wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Who's R Diaz who's now at 10/1??
He's Argentinian. And that's about all the bookies and press need to clearly see him as an obvious choice. Bizarre. Recently left River Plate, but his record is far from amazing. Basically, he's Argentinian, a manager and alive, that's enough to get him in at 10/1.

Looks like the odds are purely based on speculation rather than insider knowledge thus far. Out of interest - what happened to the idea of advertising the job and asking people to apply before making your mind up? Doesn't mean you can't approach others, but might get a nice surprise from someone you hadn't considered. Old fashioned I guess.
Think you could be right about the bookies and press putting 2 and 2 together and making 22!

Still at least he's actually involved in football. when I checked out the name a Swiss Ice Hockey player popped up!!
Swiss?? Ice Hockey??.......no surely not!!!
COYR FOADP
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Who's R Diaz who's now at 10/1??[/p][/quote]He's Argentinian. And that's about all the bookies and press need to clearly see him as an obvious choice. Bizarre. Recently left River Plate, but his record is far from amazing. Basically, he's Argentinian, a manager and alive, that's enough to get him in at 10/1. Looks like the odds are purely based on speculation rather than insider knowledge thus far. Out of interest - what happened to the idea of advertising the job and asking people to apply before making your mind up? Doesn't mean you can't approach others, but might get a nice surprise from someone you hadn't considered. Old fashioned I guess.[/p][/quote]Think you could be right about the bookies and press putting 2 and 2 together and making 22! Still at least he's actually involved in football. when I checked out the name a Swiss Ice Hockey player popped up!! Swiss?? Ice Hockey??.......no surely not!!! COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

3:28pm Wed 28 May 14

Confucious says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.
You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina.

People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision.

I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears.
Nicola and MoPo have gone - neither were fired and both were asked to stay. So what do we do now - get the hump because they bu*gered off and bring down the board and Katherina as well?

Neither Nicola or MoPo put a penny into the club and both were paid well north of a million a year to do their jobs.

The Liebherr family saved the club and have sunk tens of millions into it. That's some straw and I'm sticking to it.
Nicola was extremely highly paid. However, he took an asset purchased for £14m and turned it into one worth well over £100m, so even allowing for the debt to equity swap, which I believe was about £30m, that's a handsome profit by anyone's calculation.

That is when the decision needed to be made of whether to sell the club on or retain ownership. If the decision to retain was to be made then further investment was vital because the manager and players had made it absolutely crystal clear they would only stay if the club continued with its ambitions to compete at the very top and additional players would be required to achieve this.

The one thing that had to be avoided at all costs was to retain ownership and not invest because that would result in the manager upping sticks followed by the players resulting in an asset worth far less than it previously was and a bunch of p1ssed off fans.....
Oh well Seed - plenty of diverse views on here. But at least two things unite the vast majority of us on here....we love the Saints and we hate the skates.....and the rest is up for debate.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina. People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision. I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears.[/p][/quote]Nicola and MoPo have gone - neither were fired and both were asked to stay. So what do we do now - get the hump because they bu*gered off and bring down the board and Katherina as well? Neither Nicola or MoPo put a penny into the club and both were paid well north of a million a year to do their jobs. The Liebherr family saved the club and have sunk tens of millions into it. That's some straw and I'm sticking to it.[/p][/quote]Nicola was extremely highly paid. However, he took an asset purchased for £14m and turned it into one worth well over £100m, so even allowing for the debt to equity swap, which I believe was about £30m, that's a handsome profit by anyone's calculation. That is when the decision needed to be made of whether to sell the club on or retain ownership. If the decision to retain was to be made then further investment was vital because the manager and players had made it absolutely crystal clear they would only stay if the club continued with its ambitions to compete at the very top and additional players would be required to achieve this. The one thing that had to be avoided at all costs was to retain ownership and not invest because that would result in the manager upping sticks followed by the players resulting in an asset worth far less than it previously was and a bunch of p1ssed off fans.....[/p][/quote]Oh well Seed - plenty of diverse views on here. But at least two things unite the vast majority of us on here....we love the Saints and we hate the skates.....and the rest is up for debate. Confucious
  • Score: 2

3:30pm Wed 28 May 14

J7junctionseven says...

Confucious wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.
You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina.

People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision.

I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears.
Nicola and MoPo have gone - neither were fired and both were asked to stay. So what do we do now - get the hump because they bu*gered off and bring down the board and Katherina as well?

Neither Nicola or MoPo put a penny into the club and both were paid well north of a million a year to do their jobs.

The Liebherr family saved the club and have sunk tens of millions into it. That's some straw and I'm sticking to it.
How come you haven't been attacked by the thumb downies??
It's not you is it Confucious?...LOL
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina. People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision. I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears.[/p][/quote]Nicola and MoPo have gone - neither were fired and both were asked to stay. So what do we do now - get the hump because they bu*gered off and bring down the board and Katherina as well? Neither Nicola or MoPo put a penny into the club and both were paid well north of a million a year to do their jobs. The Liebherr family saved the club and have sunk tens of millions into it. That's some straw and I'm sticking to it.[/p][/quote]How come you haven't been attacked by the thumb downies?? It's not you is it Confucious?...LOL J7junctionseven
  • Score: 2

3:31pm Wed 28 May 14

SaintJD says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'?

I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels.

When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable.

Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.
But I thought Markus only signed up to the five-year plan? I can't remember him signing up to the second five-year plan involving taking a shot at breaking into the top three and achieving Champions League football.

That might have been the vision he sold to the players and manager, but a key thing when selling in dreams is to remember to bring the investors along for the ride.

We saw it at Cardiff and I think we saw it here to - be very careful about speaking to the media about your ambitious plans without consulting your boss first (though I'm sure the concept of having a boss wasn't something NC would be entirely comfortable with). You may think pressurising or bullying them will work, but some people don't like to be bullied, especially when they hold the purse strings.

We all know NC wasn't a great communicator and liked to do things his way or no way. While that was the secret of his success, it was also his downfall. For the time being anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'? I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels. When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable. Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.[/p][/quote]But I thought Markus only signed up to the five-year plan? I can't remember him signing up to the second five-year plan involving taking a shot at breaking into the top three and achieving Champions League football. That might have been the vision he sold to the players and manager, but a key thing when selling in dreams is to remember to bring the investors along for the ride. We saw it at Cardiff and I think we saw it here to - be very careful about speaking to the media about your ambitious plans without consulting your boss first (though I'm sure the concept of having a boss wasn't something NC would be entirely comfortable with). You may think pressurising or bullying them will work, but some people don't like to be bullied, especially when they hold the purse strings. We all know NC wasn't a great communicator and liked to do things his way or no way. While that was the secret of his success, it was also his downfall. For the time being anyway. SaintJD
  • Score: 5

3:31pm Wed 28 May 14

thinklikealocal says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.
You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina.

People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision.

I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears.
You might not prefer the Chairman to have complete control if you were the owner! Get real!
I'd be interested to know what you base your estimation of KL's business skills on? We know very little about her apart from the fact she is female. Oops, just think I've answered my question. Glad your not in charge.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina. People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision. I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears.[/p][/quote]You might not prefer the Chairman to have complete control if you were the owner! Get real! I'd be interested to know what you base your estimation of KL's business skills on? We know very little about her apart from the fact she is female. Oops, just think I've answered my question. Glad your not in charge. thinklikealocal
  • Score: 1

3:37pm Wed 28 May 14

GHamilton says...

My only regret in all this, is that we lost a genuine, honest, and capable manager to give this guy a chance at managng this great club. Like Hoddle before him he could n't get out he door quick enough. I cant bring myself to wish him good luck......though God knows he's going to need it. NO, we should not give up all hope, but trust in our boad and our owner....why? because what's our alternative. By all accous KL wanted to keep him by tripling his salary, this does not sound like the actions of somebody who is not prepared to invest in this club. Whatever happens Saints fans should remain positive and calm......its not like we ve just lost a realy great manager, there are better than him out there, in one year from now he'll be a forgotten man at SMS
My only regret in all this, is that we lost a genuine, honest, and capable manager to give this guy a chance at managng this great club. Like Hoddle before him he could n't get out he door quick enough. I cant bring myself to wish him good luck......though God knows he's going to need it. NO, we should not give up all hope, but trust in our boad and our owner....why? because what's our alternative. By all accous KL wanted to keep him by tripling his salary, this does not sound like the actions of somebody who is not prepared to invest in this club. Whatever happens Saints fans should remain positive and calm......its not like we ve just lost a realy great manager, there are better than him out there, in one year from now he'll be a forgotten man at SMS GHamilton
  • Score: 6

3:38pm Wed 28 May 14

jls217 says...

Interesting interview with Kruger on ssn just now.

I imagine they will be repeating it for the rest of the day. Watch and make your own mind up.

I though it was short, to the point and positive. No shortage of candidates apparently.
Interesting interview with Kruger on ssn just now. I imagine they will be repeating it for the rest of the day. Watch and make your own mind up. I though it was short, to the point and positive. No shortage of candidates apparently. jls217
  • Score: 2

3:44pm Wed 28 May 14

chapellady says...

Any respect I had for MP has gone. He used us for his own gain nothing more and does not qualify in the history books as a true Saint. Unlike St Markus and St Nigel who I will always remember with pride when he took us through 2 promotions and the emotion he showed after the Coventry game. Perhaps it's karma due to us poaching him from Scunthorpe. I renewed my season ticket yesterday and will support them whoever is appointed. I just hope they stay for a long time and convince the players to stay too.
Any respect I had for MP has gone. He used us for his own gain nothing more and does not qualify in the history books as a true Saint. Unlike St Markus and St Nigel who I will always remember with pride when he took us through 2 promotions and the emotion he showed after the Coventry game. Perhaps it's karma due to us poaching him from Scunthorpe. I renewed my season ticket yesterday and will support them whoever is appointed. I just hope they stay for a long time and convince the players to stay too. chapellady
  • Score: 3

3:45pm Wed 28 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.
You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina.

People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision.

I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears.
You might not prefer the Chairman to have complete control if you were the owner! Get real!
I'd be interested to know what you base your estimation of KL's business skills on? We know very little about her apart from the fact she is female. Oops, just think I've answered my question. Glad your not in charge.
I have four directors on my board one of which is female. She is outstanding.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina. People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision. I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears.[/p][/quote]You might not prefer the Chairman to have complete control if you were the owner! Get real! I'd be interested to know what you base your estimation of KL's business skills on? We know very little about her apart from the fact she is female. Oops, just think I've answered my question. Glad your not in charge.[/p][/quote]I have four directors on my board one of which is female. She is outstanding. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -2

3:54pm Wed 28 May 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

I feared us losing Cortese because I felt without him we would never fulfill our maximum potential. Cortese was someone who I believed would truly re-write the rule book as far as the big 4 teams are concerned. He had convinced all the players at Southampton that as good as they would be Individually if they all stayed together then Southampton would be successful. Now he has gone those players will all be feeling that the road has come to an end.

For any of that vision to remain intact as far as the players are concerned it was imperative we kept Pochetino. Now he has gone the Board needs to act fast and positively to reassure the players the vision is still alive and kicking and that we haven't reverted back to type...being a mid table side we a decent academy that will always end up having to sell for those players to really fulfill their own potential. Southampton will never benefit from the full potential our best youngsters as they will move on and others will reap the benefits. Spurs got £80m for Bale Saints got £8m that was reduced to £5 removing any sell on clause. We are now looking like losing Lallana and that will benefit Bournemouth who do have a 25% sell on clause!

I hope Saints can remain strong and appoint a big name who is ambitious and feels that he can get Southampton into the top 4. Without that ambition we are just going to be on a downward curve or remain static.

The good news is by finishing 8th I can see there being a whole host of managers out there interested in the position. Whoever we get in I would like to see Eddie Howe brought in to manager under him with a view to taking over. Lets do this right and plan for the future! We want the players to know who will be the next manager and therefore, we start the conveyor belt of managers as well as players! Boom! COYS!
I feared us losing Cortese because I felt without him we would never fulfill our maximum potential. Cortese was someone who I believed would truly re-write the rule book as far as the big 4 teams are concerned. He had convinced all the players at Southampton that as good as they would be Individually if they all stayed together then Southampton would be successful. Now he has gone those players will all be feeling that the road has come to an end. For any of that vision to remain intact as far as the players are concerned it was imperative we kept Pochetino. Now he has gone the Board needs to act fast and positively to reassure the players the vision is still alive and kicking and that we haven't reverted back to type...being a mid table side we a decent academy that will always end up having to sell for those players to really fulfill their own potential. Southampton will never benefit from the full potential our best youngsters as they will move on and others will reap the benefits. Spurs got £80m for Bale Saints got £8m that was reduced to £5 removing any sell on clause. We are now looking like losing Lallana and that will benefit Bournemouth who do have a 25% sell on clause! I hope Saints can remain strong and appoint a big name who is ambitious and feels that he can get Southampton into the top 4. Without that ambition we are just going to be on a downward curve or remain static. The good news is by finishing 8th I can see there being a whole host of managers out there interested in the position. Whoever we get in I would like to see Eddie Howe brought in to manager under him with a view to taking over. Lets do this right and plan for the future! We want the players to know who will be the next manager and therefore, we start the conveyor belt of managers as well as players! Boom! COYS! allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 0

3:55pm Wed 28 May 14

Scarborosaint says...

If lallana and Shaw ane to go we want a combined price of 50million which we can use to buy 4 or 5 players . If we don't get the right price dead simple they don't go . If MP wants to go to a club who finished 2 places above us let him go , our youth policy puts theirs to shame and we have some more coming through on the production line . We need a manager who is prepared to give young players a chance , plays attacking football and works hard on the training ground. We have been a victim of our own success which is why our manager and players are in such high demand. Rather be where we are nowthan2 years ago.We should be proud of the fact that 3 of our players are going to the World Cup with England and others will be there with their countries. We have come a along way in very little time , we should see who the board appoint get behind them and back the team . It's the only way being a saints supporter . COYS
If lallana and Shaw ane to go we want a combined price of 50million which we can use to buy 4 or 5 players . If we don't get the right price dead simple they don't go . If MP wants to go to a club who finished 2 places above us let him go , our youth policy puts theirs to shame and we have some more coming through on the production line . We need a manager who is prepared to give young players a chance , plays attacking football and works hard on the training ground. We have been a victim of our own success which is why our manager and players are in such high demand. Rather be where we are nowthan2 years ago.We should be proud of the fact that 3 of our players are going to the World Cup with England and others will be there with their countries. We have come a along way in very little time , we should see who the board appoint get behind them and back the team . It's the only way being a saints supporter . COYS Scarborosaint
  • Score: 2

4:07pm Wed 28 May 14

SaintJD says...

Scarborosaint wrote:
If lallana and Shaw ane to go we want a combined price of 50million which we can use to buy 4 or 5 players . If we don't get the right price dead simple they don't go . If MP wants to go to a club who finished 2 places above us let him go , our youth policy puts theirs to shame and we have some more coming through on the production line . We need a manager who is prepared to give young players a chance , plays attacking football and works hard on the training ground. We have been a victim of our own success which is why our manager and players are in such high demand. Rather be where we are nowthan2 years ago.We should be proud of the fact that 3 of our players are going to the World Cup with England and others will be there with their countries. We have come a along way in very little time , we should see who the board appoint get behind them and back the team . It's the only way being a saints supporter . COYS
So, David Luis or Lallana and Shaw for your £50 million? In my opinion £50 million is not enough. We need to value our assets more. Just because they aren't Brazilian and we're not a fashionable club doesn't make our players less valuable. How can two Chelsea reserves (OK Mata is good, but he was still surplus to requirements) be worth £90 million when their manager doesn't even trust them as regulars? Still, gives us hope with Dani Osvaldo. Mad world of football. If we get Yakin, maybe Chelsea can give us Salah in part exchange for Luke?... and pay his extortionate wages.
[quote][p][bold]Scarborosaint[/bold] wrote: If lallana and Shaw ane to go we want a combined price of 50million which we can use to buy 4 or 5 players . If we don't get the right price dead simple they don't go . If MP wants to go to a club who finished 2 places above us let him go , our youth policy puts theirs to shame and we have some more coming through on the production line . We need a manager who is prepared to give young players a chance , plays attacking football and works hard on the training ground. We have been a victim of our own success which is why our manager and players are in such high demand. Rather be where we are nowthan2 years ago.We should be proud of the fact that 3 of our players are going to the World Cup with England and others will be there with their countries. We have come a along way in very little time , we should see who the board appoint get behind them and back the team . It's the only way being a saints supporter . COYS[/p][/quote]So, David Luis or Lallana and Shaw for your £50 million? In my opinion £50 million is not enough. We need to value our assets more. Just because they aren't Brazilian and we're not a fashionable club doesn't make our players less valuable. How can two Chelsea reserves (OK Mata is good, but he was still surplus to requirements) be worth £90 million when their manager doesn't even trust them as regulars? Still, gives us hope with Dani Osvaldo. Mad world of football. If we get Yakin, maybe Chelsea can give us Salah in part exchange for Luke?... and pay his extortionate wages. SaintJD
  • Score: -1

4:10pm Wed 28 May 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'?

I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels.

When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable.

Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.
I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention?

He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season.

What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe.
We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues.

Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders.

STID COYR
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'? I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels. When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable. Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.[/p][/quote]I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention? He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season. What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe. We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues. Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders. STID COYR george chivers
  • Score: 5

4:18pm Wed 28 May 14

SaintJD says...

GHamilton wrote:
My only regret in all this, is that we lost a genuine, honest, and capable manager to give this guy a chance at managng this great club. Like Hoddle before him he could n't get out he door quick enough. I cant bring myself to wish him good luck......though God knows he's going to need it. NO, we should not give up all hope, but trust in our boad and our owner....why? because what's our alternative. By all accous KL wanted to keep him by tripling his salary, this does not sound like the actions of somebody who is not prepared to invest in this club. Whatever happens Saints fans should remain positive and calm......its not like we ve just lost a realy great manager, there are better than him out there, in one year from now he'll be a forgotten man at SMS
Capable no question - great manager. Honest and genuine? Honest in terms of his work ethic, yes. Not entirely sure if he's been 100% honest and genuine in recent months though.

All the 'don't want to be distracted from the season', 'I have one year left what's the big deal' rhetoric has left a nasty taste in the mouth for me, as has the fact that he clearly didn't feel any affinity to the club or the fans (as shown in his eagerness to leave and in the cup to some extent), just his former employer.

Great manager for us - love his style of football and he seems like a genuinely nice guy - but I believe he decided he wanted to leave in January, strung them along and waited to see what would become available.

I'm not going to suddenly hate the guy and say he's disloyal - after Nigel, Billy Sharp and others I don't think we have the right to talk about loyalty - but I'm slightly disappointed, because we took a major punt on this guy - it wasn't as if he was slumming it or having to wade through the job offers.
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: My only regret in all this, is that we lost a genuine, honest, and capable manager to give this guy a chance at managng this great club. Like Hoddle before him he could n't get out he door quick enough. I cant bring myself to wish him good luck......though God knows he's going to need it. NO, we should not give up all hope, but trust in our boad and our owner....why? because what's our alternative. By all accous KL wanted to keep him by tripling his salary, this does not sound like the actions of somebody who is not prepared to invest in this club. Whatever happens Saints fans should remain positive and calm......its not like we ve just lost a realy great manager, there are better than him out there, in one year from now he'll be a forgotten man at SMS[/p][/quote]Capable no question - great manager. Honest and genuine? Honest in terms of his work ethic, yes. Not entirely sure if he's been 100% honest and genuine in recent months though. All the 'don't want to be distracted from the season', 'I have one year left what's the big deal' rhetoric has left a nasty taste in the mouth for me, as has the fact that he clearly didn't feel any affinity to the club or the fans (as shown in his eagerness to leave and in the cup to some extent), just his former employer. Great manager for us - love his style of football and he seems like a genuinely nice guy - but I believe he decided he wanted to leave in January, strung them along and waited to see what would become available. I'm not going to suddenly hate the guy and say he's disloyal - after Nigel, Billy Sharp and others I don't think we have the right to talk about loyalty - but I'm slightly disappointed, because we took a major punt on this guy - it wasn't as if he was slumming it or having to wade through the job offers. SaintJD
  • Score: 3

4:28pm Wed 28 May 14

Alicesdad says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'?

I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels.

When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable.

Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.
I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention?

He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season.

What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe.
We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues.

Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders.

STID COYR
You can't help but agree with both of these posts.

As I've said elsewhere today, its time to stand back and see what this board can do. For the first time they HAVE to take action, be it with a new manager or player retentions or sales. I think losing some players is unavoidable now, the test of the Board's skill is how they react and deal with this. On paper they seem to have the experience to avoid "meltdown", and have owner backing but it's going to be a hard process to get right. I like the phrase "evolution not revolution". I'm not sure what we have here right now .. but I'm hoping it's evolution.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'? I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels. When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable. Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.[/p][/quote]I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention? He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season. What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe. We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues. Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders. STID COYR[/p][/quote]You can't help but agree with both of these posts. As I've said elsewhere today, its time to stand back and see what this board can do. For the first time they HAVE to take action, be it with a new manager or player retentions or sales. I think losing some players is unavoidable now, the test of the Board's skill is how they react and deal with this. On paper they seem to have the experience to avoid "meltdown", and have owner backing but it's going to be a hard process to get right. I like the phrase "evolution not revolution". I'm not sure what we have here right now .. but I'm hoping it's evolution. Alicesdad
  • Score: 0

4:33pm Wed 28 May 14

SaintJD says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
I feared us losing Cortese because I felt without him we would never fulfill our maximum potential. Cortese was someone who I believed would truly re-write the rule book as far as the big 4 teams are concerned. He had convinced all the players at Southampton that as good as they would be Individually if they all stayed together then Southampton would be successful. Now he has gone those players will all be feeling that the road has come to an end.

For any of that vision to remain intact as far as the players are concerned it was imperative we kept Pochetino. Now he has gone the Board needs to act fast and positively to reassure the players the vision is still alive and kicking and that we haven't reverted back to type...being a mid table side we a decent academy that will always end up having to sell for those players to really fulfill their own potential. Southampton will never benefit from the full potential our best youngsters as they will move on and others will reap the benefits. Spurs got £80m for Bale Saints got £8m that was reduced to £5 removing any sell on clause. We are now looking like losing Lallana and that will benefit Bournemouth who do have a 25% sell on clause!

I hope Saints can remain strong and appoint a big name who is ambitious and feels that he can get Southampton into the top 4. Without that ambition we are just going to be on a downward curve or remain static.

The good news is by finishing 8th I can see there being a whole host of managers out there interested in the position. Whoever we get in I would like to see Eddie Howe brought in to manager under him with a view to taking over. Lets do this right and plan for the future! We want the players to know who will be the next manager and therefore, we start the conveyor belt of managers as well as players! Boom! COYS!
This is what Man Utd claim they are trying to do with Giggs. Problem is that it generally doesn't work. We've seen it with the likes of Steve Wiggly and Stuart Gray - because they've tended to be a bit more relaxed and chummy in their number two role the players think they are on an easy ride. Sherwood is a similar example - never really taken 100% seriously or respected by the players or fans, seen as a cheap option that's easy to sack. Monk will suffer a similar fate in my opinion. It's sad, but bar possibly Barcelona I can't recall it working elsewhere in recent times in the Premier League. Happy to be corrected.
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: I feared us losing Cortese because I felt without him we would never fulfill our maximum potential. Cortese was someone who I believed would truly re-write the rule book as far as the big 4 teams are concerned. He had convinced all the players at Southampton that as good as they would be Individually if they all stayed together then Southampton would be successful. Now he has gone those players will all be feeling that the road has come to an end. For any of that vision to remain intact as far as the players are concerned it was imperative we kept Pochetino. Now he has gone the Board needs to act fast and positively to reassure the players the vision is still alive and kicking and that we haven't reverted back to type...being a mid table side we a decent academy that will always end up having to sell for those players to really fulfill their own potential. Southampton will never benefit from the full potential our best youngsters as they will move on and others will reap the benefits. Spurs got £80m for Bale Saints got £8m that was reduced to £5 removing any sell on clause. We are now looking like losing Lallana and that will benefit Bournemouth who do have a 25% sell on clause! I hope Saints can remain strong and appoint a big name who is ambitious and feels that he can get Southampton into the top 4. Without that ambition we are just going to be on a downward curve or remain static. The good news is by finishing 8th I can see there being a whole host of managers out there interested in the position. Whoever we get in I would like to see Eddie Howe brought in to manager under him with a view to taking over. Lets do this right and plan for the future! We want the players to know who will be the next manager and therefore, we start the conveyor belt of managers as well as players! Boom! COYS![/p][/quote]This is what Man Utd claim they are trying to do with Giggs. Problem is that it generally doesn't work. We've seen it with the likes of Steve Wiggly and Stuart Gray - because they've tended to be a bit more relaxed and chummy in their number two role the players think they are on an easy ride. Sherwood is a similar example - never really taken 100% seriously or respected by the players or fans, seen as a cheap option that's easy to sack. Monk will suffer a similar fate in my opinion. It's sad, but bar possibly Barcelona I can't recall it working elsewhere in recent times in the Premier League. Happy to be corrected. SaintJD
  • Score: -1

4:45pm Wed 28 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote: The King is dead. Long live the King. At last something has happened (Mo Po has gone) and things are starting to become apparent. Jason Dodds and Paul Williams were sacked BEFORE Mo Po resigned. There now seems a certain significance to it all. I reckon that perhaps Southampton FC knew before Jason and Paul were sacked that Mo Po and his coaching team were all going to Tottenham Hotspur. If that is the case, perhaps the intention is for Saints to replace all those coaches with a ready made coaching team from elsewhere. The Saints board might already have targeted such a coaching team, which is possibly not in this country. What is very significant is that Ralph Krueger's statement was as tight lipped as he could possibly make it. The club is still giving no clues as to what is going on. I believe that Katharina Liebherr and the board of directors do have a plan to improve Saints and that the process is already under way. Katharina has been attending Saints matches, which is not a sign that she wants to sell the club or all it's best
What is apparent is the lack of goals in the current SAINTS TEAM Take out Adam and with Jrod injured - there are no goals in the Team apart from RICKIE. We really need to get moving on getting a TOP GOAL SCORER. Sorting the Dani situation is also important but must not delay our future acquisition of a cutting edge Striker. MANAGER-STRIKER-KEEP OUR STAR PLAYERS
OSPRAY SAINT - Stop hidiung behind your keyboard dishing out minus points all day.

Don't worry about a New Manager and our lack of Strike - there are important matters like spelling to correct and make sure no-on is using CAPS LOCK

LOL
I noticed all the minus votes starting to kick in and thought it was skunt trolls.
Is that what he does?
PRETTY SAD REALLY.
COYR
I won't be Osprey,he's said he doesn't use the thumbs system, and if he's not on here,he's probably away.
There's a way to rig the vote system anyway,if you're techno savvy and that way inclined,which Ive seen described in great detail on other threads in the past,so the whole thing is a farce,best just ignored.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: The King is dead. Long live the King. At last something has happened (Mo Po has gone) and things are starting to become apparent. Jason Dodds and Paul Williams were sacked BEFORE Mo Po resigned. There now seems a certain significance to it all. I reckon that perhaps Southampton FC knew before Jason and Paul were sacked that Mo Po and his coaching team were all going to Tottenham Hotspur. If that is the case, perhaps the intention is for Saints to replace all those coaches with a ready made coaching team from elsewhere. The Saints board might already have targeted such a coaching team, which is possibly not in this country. What is very significant is that Ralph Krueger's statement was as tight lipped as he could possibly make it. The club is still giving no clues as to what is going on. I believe that Katharina Liebherr and the board of directors do have a plan to improve Saints and that the process is already under way. Katharina has been attending Saints matches, which is not a sign that she wants to sell the club or all it's best[/p][/quote]What is apparent is the lack of goals in the current SAINTS TEAM Take out Adam and with Jrod injured - there are no goals in the Team apart from RICKIE. We really need to get moving on getting a TOP GOAL SCORER. Sorting the Dani situation is also important but must not delay our future acquisition of a cutting edge Striker. MANAGER-STRIKER-KEEP OUR STAR PLAYERS[/p][/quote]OSPRAY SAINT - Stop hidiung behind your keyboard dishing out minus points all day. Don't worry about a New Manager and our lack of Strike - there are important matters like spelling to correct and make sure no-on is using CAPS LOCK LOL[/p][/quote]I noticed all the minus votes starting to kick in and thought it was skunt trolls. Is that what he does? PRETTY SAD REALLY. COYR[/p][/quote]I won't be Osprey,he's said he doesn't use the thumbs system, and if he's not on here,he's probably away. There's a way to rig the vote system anyway,if you're techno savvy and that way inclined,which Ive seen described in great detail on other threads in the past,so the whole thing is a farce,best just ignored. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 4

4:50pm Wed 28 May 14

NC Fan4Life says...

So according to your statement Ralph you and Les did not plan for this situation and sat back and let it happen. You have not even got a new manager lined up yet and it would appear that you are not even speaking to the players or working on signing the new targets. So we have to ask WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU BOTH BEEN DOING THE LAST THREE MONTHS ?!
This not good enough so you had better get your fingers out and start showing the ambitions you have said you have for the club, otherwise we fans will be pushing Katharina to replace you both.
So according to your statement Ralph you and Les did not plan for this situation and sat back and let it happen. You have not even got a new manager lined up yet and it would appear that you are not even speaking to the players or working on signing the new targets. So we have to ask WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU BOTH BEEN DOING THE LAST THREE MONTHS ?! This not good enough so you had better get your fingers out and start showing the ambitions you have said you have for the club, otherwise we fans will be pushing Katharina to replace you both. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: -10

4:55pm Wed 28 May 14

mickey01 says...

The appointment of krueger worries me !he has not got a clue about football or the tradition and all i can see is an exodus
The appointment of krueger worries me !he has not got a clue about football or the tradition and all i can see is an exodus mickey01
  • Score: -7

4:59pm Wed 28 May 14

thinklikealocal says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.
You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina.

People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision.

I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears.
You might not prefer the Chairman to have complete control if you were the owner! Get real!
I'd be interested to know what you base your estimation of KL's business skills on? We know very little about her apart from the fact she is female. Oops, just think I've answered my question. Glad your not in charge.
I have four directors on my board one of which is female. She is outstanding.
So what do you base your estimation of KL's business acumen on then?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina. People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision. I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears.[/p][/quote]You might not prefer the Chairman to have complete control if you were the owner! Get real! I'd be interested to know what you base your estimation of KL's business skills on? We know very little about her apart from the fact she is female. Oops, just think I've answered my question. Glad your not in charge.[/p][/quote]I have four directors on my board one of which is female. She is outstanding.[/p][/quote]So what do you base your estimation of KL's business acumen on then? thinklikealocal
  • Score: 1

5:03pm Wed 28 May 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Les & Ralph you must have realized MoPo was likely to go for months otherwise he would have signed an extension before the season ended.
Also that his 3 coaches would go with him so can you explain to us all why you sacked Jason Dodd & Paul Williams ? they would at least have helped fill in. We appear to have little in the way of coaching staff left.
Les & Ralph you must have realized MoPo was likely to go for months otherwise he would have signed an extension before the season ended. Also that his 3 coaches would go with him so can you explain to us all why you sacked Jason Dodd & Paul Williams ? they would at least have helped fill in. We appear to have little in the way of coaching staff left. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 3

5:13pm Wed 28 May 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

We have got to Defend the Falklands that mush should grow Spuds!
We have got to Defend the Falklands that mush should grow Spuds! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 0

5:14pm Wed 28 May 14

SaintJD says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
So according to your statement Ralph you and Les did not plan for this situation and sat back and let it happen. You have not even got a new manager lined up yet and it would appear that you are not even speaking to the players or working on signing the new targets. So we have to ask WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU BOTH BEEN DOING THE LAST THREE MONTHS ?!
This not good enough so you had better get your fingers out and start showing the ambitions you have said you have for the club, otherwise we fans will be pushing Katharina to replace you both.
Welcome to the horrible world of ethical, old-school belief in fair play. I did say I feared they were being naive playing things by the book. What they've been doing over the last three months is taking a guy at his word. It was a mistake, granted, but that's what happened. It tended to be how we operated before the days of the Dark Lord when we were more of a community club but sadly in the modern world if you are nice you get shafted (just ask a few of our own victims). I think they've now learned their lesson the hard way.

However, I do still live in the hope that nice guys sometimes win, so let's hope that this new dawn of playing things by the book benefits us in the end.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: So according to your statement Ralph you and Les did not plan for this situation and sat back and let it happen. You have not even got a new manager lined up yet and it would appear that you are not even speaking to the players or working on signing the new targets. So we have to ask WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU BOTH BEEN DOING THE LAST THREE MONTHS ?! This not good enough so you had better get your fingers out and start showing the ambitions you have said you have for the club, otherwise we fans will be pushing Katharina to replace you both.[/p][/quote]Welcome to the horrible world of ethical, old-school belief in fair play. I did say I feared they were being naive playing things by the book. What they've been doing over the last three months is taking a guy at his word. It was a mistake, granted, but that's what happened. It tended to be how we operated before the days of the Dark Lord when we were more of a community club but sadly in the modern world if you are nice you get shafted (just ask a few of our own victims). I think they've now learned their lesson the hard way. However, I do still live in the hope that nice guys sometimes win, so let's hope that this new dawn of playing things by the book benefits us in the end. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

5:18pm Wed 28 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Alicesdad wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'?

I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels.

When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable.

Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.
I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention?

He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season.

What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe.
We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues.

Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders.

STID COYR
You can't help but agree with both of these posts.

As I've said elsewhere today, its time to stand back and see what this board can do. For the first time they HAVE to take action, be it with a new manager or player retentions or sales. I think losing some players is unavoidable now, the test of the Board's skill is how they react and deal with this. On paper they seem to have the experience to avoid "meltdown", and have owner backing but it's going to be a hard process to get right. I like the phrase "evolution not revolution". I'm not sure what we have here right now .. but I'm hoping it's evolution.
You are right we need to stand back and see how they handle this. Obviously I hope they impress us all and I get to eat humble pie and apologise on here for ever doubting them.

The reasons I have my doubts are due to the early statements about our finances being awkward and difficult as I think these opened the doors to the media, agents and other clubs to say we will now bid for their assets as they need to sell. Because we were promised transparency which has not materialised - Cortese told us diddly squat but he never promised otherwise. The new sponsorship deal doesn't seem to be of the substance expected. Jack Cork telling a friend of mine he had no idea whether the club wanted to keep him or not and that Ralph had only ever spoken to him briefly twice. Jesus telling me that MoPo wanted to stay and was pushing the board to confirm their commitment to retain our stars and strengthening the squad. Six first team players publicly supporting the manager and pushing the board over the closing weeks of the season. To me the message was loud but fell on deaf ears.

The fear has to be that Luke and Adam may decide to move on now MoPo has gone. If they do then the likes of Morgan, Nat, Callum, Dejan and Jay may be less inclined to stay if a top six club comes in for them.

We now wait and watch because we have no other choice.

COYR!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'? I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels. When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable. Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.[/p][/quote]I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention? He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season. What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe. We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues. Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders. STID COYR[/p][/quote]You can't help but agree with both of these posts. As I've said elsewhere today, its time to stand back and see what this board can do. For the first time they HAVE to take action, be it with a new manager or player retentions or sales. I think losing some players is unavoidable now, the test of the Board's skill is how they react and deal with this. On paper they seem to have the experience to avoid "meltdown", and have owner backing but it's going to be a hard process to get right. I like the phrase "evolution not revolution". I'm not sure what we have here right now .. but I'm hoping it's evolution.[/p][/quote]You are right we need to stand back and see how they handle this. Obviously I hope they impress us all and I get to eat humble pie and apologise on here for ever doubting them. The reasons I have my doubts are due to the early statements about our finances being awkward and difficult as I think these opened the doors to the media, agents and other clubs to say we will now bid for their assets as they need to sell. Because we were promised transparency which has not materialised - Cortese told us diddly squat but he never promised otherwise. The new sponsorship deal doesn't seem to be of the substance expected. Jack Cork telling a friend of mine he had no idea whether the club wanted to keep him or not and that Ralph had only ever spoken to him briefly twice. Jesus telling me that MoPo wanted to stay and was pushing the board to confirm their commitment to retain our stars and strengthening the squad. Six first team players publicly supporting the manager and pushing the board over the closing weeks of the season. To me the message was loud but fell on deaf ears. The fear has to be that Luke and Adam may decide to move on now MoPo has gone. If they do then the likes of Morgan, Nat, Callum, Dejan and Jay may be less inclined to stay if a top six club comes in for them. We now wait and watch because we have no other choice. COYR! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -1

5:18pm Wed 28 May 14

Wembley76 says...

Why on earth Murat Yakin? Swiss league is no better than Scots Premier...he has no experience in England and a modest pedigree to be able to attract and retain good players....this is a mystery to me why Echo says so many people are so keen on him...maybe we will receive free Toblerone on match days? I am also staggered that so few people would welcome David Moyes....not sure many others would have fared better with the 'ageing' Man U team who were 'resistant to change'...Van Gaal will clear out and re-build...
My favourites if they were available and wanted to join us;
Moyes
Benitez
Poyet
Koeman
Laudrup
McClaren
All have significant Euro and or Prem experience....
we need stability and experience to steady the ship, retain our best players... and build for the future...
Why on earth Murat Yakin? Swiss league is no better than Scots Premier...he has no experience in England and a modest pedigree to be able to attract and retain good players....this is a mystery to me why Echo says so many people are so keen on him...maybe we will receive free Toblerone on match days? I am also staggered that so few people would welcome David Moyes....not sure many others would have fared better with the 'ageing' Man U team who were 'resistant to change'...Van Gaal will clear out and re-build... My favourites if they were available and wanted to join us; Moyes Benitez Poyet Koeman Laudrup McClaren All have significant Euro and or Prem experience.... we need stability and experience to steady the ship, retain our best players... and build for the future... Wembley76
  • Score: 0

5:22pm Wed 28 May 14

jls217 says...

According to the statement he has made on the telly the board were not totally surprised by Pochettino's treachery. It seems they have been doing their homework and there will be a short list drawn and a quick decision made who to bring in. He's also said there would be money to improve the squad and that no decision has yet been made to sell anybody as they are all on long contracts and Saints will control who goes and for what and a player will go only if the deal is in the best interests of Saints.

That's what we want to hear Freddie - fantastic. Matty also says he's not surprised either and that Pochettino has had a move in mind and was disappointed in him.
Next season is going to be orgasmic!
According to the statement he has made on the telly the board were not totally surprised by Pochettino's treachery. It seems they have been doing their homework and there will be a short list drawn and a quick decision made who to bring in. He's also said there would be money to improve the squad and that no decision has yet been made to sell anybody as they are all on long contracts and Saints will control who goes and for what and a player will go only if the deal is in the best interests of Saints. That's what we want to hear Freddie - fantastic. Matty also says he's not surprised either and that Pochettino has had a move in mind and was disappointed in him. Next season is going to be orgasmic! jls217
  • Score: 3

5:24pm Wed 28 May 14

THE12THMAN says...

Blackwaterblue wrote:
Poch has gone and players will follow. What's important is how the money accumulated is sent: that's what will tell you about the future of SFC.
sent to who? COYR
[quote][p][bold]Blackwaterblue[/bold] wrote: Poch has gone and players will follow. What's important is how the money accumulated is sent: that's what will tell you about the future of SFC.[/p][/quote]sent to who? COYR THE12THMAN
  • Score: 1

5:37pm Wed 28 May 14

SaintJD says...

Wembley76 wrote:
Why on earth Murat Yakin? Swiss league is no better than Scots Premier...he has no experience in England and a modest pedigree to be able to attract and retain good players....this is a mystery to me why Echo says so many people are so keen on him...maybe we will receive free Toblerone on match days? I am also staggered that so few people would welcome David Moyes....not sure many others would have fared better with the 'ageing' Man U team who were 'resistant to change'...Van Gaal will clear out and re-build...
My favourites if they were available and wanted to join us;
Moyes
Benitez
Poyet
Koeman
Laudrup
McClaren
All have significant Euro and or Prem experience....
we need stability and experience to steady the ship, retain our best players... and build for the future...
While I take your point, Yakin massively overachieved in the Europa and Champions League, beating Chelsea and Tottenham by attacking away from home with real flair and bravery - similar to Poch you might say.

Any foreign manager is a punt, but how many of us would have picked Poch based on his previous record, lack of English experience and lack of English full stop? I'd say precisely 0%.

Agree with you on Moyes though - might not have been good enough for Man Utd, but I think he'd send out the right message and sort out our defence - which will in turn get us results.

Plus, contrary to the myth, he does have a good record of bringing young kids through - he just likes to protect them by blooding them gently.

Moyes, Yakin or AVB for me.

It's horses for courses and these three, while not suited to big clubs (or clubs that like to think they are big clubs) are perfect for a club and structure like ours.

Plus, in the case of Moyes and AVB I'd also like to think they've been burnt before, so will be less likely to jump ship quite as readily.
[quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: Why on earth Murat Yakin? Swiss league is no better than Scots Premier...he has no experience in England and a modest pedigree to be able to attract and retain good players....this is a mystery to me why Echo says so many people are so keen on him...maybe we will receive free Toblerone on match days? I am also staggered that so few people would welcome David Moyes....not sure many others would have fared better with the 'ageing' Man U team who were 'resistant to change'...Van Gaal will clear out and re-build... My favourites if they were available and wanted to join us; Moyes Benitez Poyet Koeman Laudrup McClaren All have significant Euro and or Prem experience.... we need stability and experience to steady the ship, retain our best players... and build for the future...[/p][/quote]While I take your point, Yakin massively overachieved in the Europa and Champions League, beating Chelsea and Tottenham by attacking away from home with real flair and bravery - similar to Poch you might say. Any foreign manager is a punt, but how many of us would have picked Poch based on his previous record, lack of English experience and lack of English full stop? I'd say precisely 0%. Agree with you on Moyes though - might not have been good enough for Man Utd, but I think he'd send out the right message and sort out our defence - which will in turn get us results. Plus, contrary to the myth, he does have a good record of bringing young kids through - he just likes to protect them by blooding them gently. Moyes, Yakin or AVB for me. It's horses for courses and these three, while not suited to big clubs (or clubs that like to think they are big clubs) are perfect for a club and structure like ours. Plus, in the case of Moyes and AVB I'd also like to think they've been burnt before, so will be less likely to jump ship quite as readily. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

5:40pm Wed 28 May 14

jls217 says...

Turn your tellies on ladies and gents - Sky Sports News - It seems each time they play it they add another little snippet from Freddie Kruger.

Listen to it and make your own minds up. Mine is at ease - we're going to be okay and the ship is being steered in the right direction.
There will be money avail for incoming manager (not disclosed how much of course) There is a list of potential transfer target already drawn up and a shortlist of potential managers will be worked through and a decision made quickly. They were not totally surprised at Pochettino's treachery. Matty had a little interview too and what he had to say was interesting and reassuring.
There are no plans drawn up to sell any player. If any player is to go it will only by done if it is in the interests of Saints as all players are under long contracts. I think we can expect a release through Les ref players once the new manager is in place or I think that's what I just heard - as I said every time they've put it on there's a little more added.

Now I know for sure next season is going to be orgasmic.
Turn your tellies on ladies and gents - Sky Sports News - It seems each time they play it they add another little snippet from Freddie Kruger. Listen to it and make your own minds up. Mine is at ease - we're going to be okay and the ship is being steered in the right direction. There will be money avail for incoming manager (not disclosed how much of course) There is a list of potential transfer target already drawn up and a shortlist of potential managers will be worked through and a decision made quickly. They were not totally surprised at Pochettino's treachery. Matty had a little interview too and what he had to say was interesting and reassuring. There are no plans drawn up to sell any player. If any player is to go it will only by done if it is in the interests of Saints as all players are under long contracts. I think we can expect a release through Les ref players once the new manager is in place or I think that's what I just heard - as I said every time they've put it on there's a little more added. Now I know for sure next season is going to be orgasmic. jls217
  • Score: -1

5:42pm Wed 28 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.
You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina.

People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision.

I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears.
You might not prefer the Chairman to have complete control if you were the owner! Get real!
I'd be interested to know what you base your estimation of KL's business skills on? We know very little about her apart from the fact she is female. Oops, just think I've answered my question. Glad your not in charge.
I have four directors on my board one of which is female. She is outstanding.
So what do you base your estimation of KL's business acumen on then?
Purely observing the way in which all of this is being handled. The appointment of directors who appear uninspiring. The CEO of our outgoing sponsor had had previous dealings with her and told me she did not have her fathers business acumen. Precious little to go on I freely admit. We will know one way or the other come August. Again I'd love and hope to come on here and say how wrong I was because if I'm right it's bad news for SFC.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: MoPo and Nicola have both bu*gered off entirely of their own accord. Katherina is still here and we should trust her.[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws. MoPo and Nicola both left for a reason and that reason is Katherina. People said Cortese was too authoritarian, that he wanted complete control. He was and he did. Personally I'd prefer that, when it comes to running a PL club and dealing with the predatory media, rival clubs and agents, to a board and decision making process that leads to this lack of leadership and vision. I don't subscribe to the view that Katherina is asset stripping or up to no good. I do subscribe to the view that she and her team are out of their depth, that she inherited her fathers wealth but not his business acumen and that if we carry on like this it's going to end in tears.[/p][/quote]You might not prefer the Chairman to have complete control if you were the owner! Get real! I'd be interested to know what you base your estimation of KL's business skills on? We know very little about her apart from the fact she is female. Oops, just think I've answered my question. Glad your not in charge.[/p][/quote]I have four directors on my board one of which is female. She is outstanding.[/p][/quote]So what do you base your estimation of KL's business acumen on then?[/p][/quote]Purely observing the way in which all of this is being handled. The appointment of directors who appear uninspiring. The CEO of our outgoing sponsor had had previous dealings with her and told me she did not have her fathers business acumen. Precious little to go on I freely admit. We will know one way or the other come August. Again I'd love and hope to come on here and say how wrong I was because if I'm right it's bad news for SFC. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -1

5:46pm Wed 28 May 14

Wembley76 says...

SaintJD wrote:
Wembley76 wrote:
Why on earth Murat Yakin? Swiss league is no better than Scots Premier...he has no experience in England and a modest pedigree to be able to attract and retain good players....this is a mystery to me why Echo says so many people are so keen on him...maybe we will receive free Toblerone on match days? I am also staggered that so few people would welcome David Moyes....not sure many others would have fared better with the 'ageing' Man U team who were 'resistant to change'...Van Gaal will clear out and re-build...
My favourites if they were available and wanted to join us;
Moyes
Benitez
Poyet
Koeman
Laudrup
McClaren
All have significant Euro and or Prem experience....
we need stability and experience to steady the ship, retain our best players... and build for the future...
While I take your point, Yakin massively overachieved in the Europa and Champions League, beating Chelsea and Tottenham by attacking away from home with real flair and bravery - similar to Poch you might say.

Any foreign manager is a punt, but how many of us would have picked Poch based on his previous record, lack of English experience and lack of English full stop? I'd say precisely 0%.

Agree with you on Moyes though - might not have been good enough for Man Utd, but I think he'd send out the right message and sort out our defence - which will in turn get us results.

Plus, contrary to the myth, he does have a good record of bringing young kids through - he just likes to protect them by blooding them gently.

Moyes, Yakin or AVB for me.

It's horses for courses and these three, while not suited to big clubs (or clubs that like to think they are big clubs) are perfect for a club and structure like ours.

Plus, in the case of Moyes and AVB I'd also like to think they've been burnt before, so will be less likely to jump ship quite as readily.
Can't disagree...but do we know why Murat left Basle....resigned, sacked....good timing...or just a coincidence?
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: Why on earth Murat Yakin? Swiss league is no better than Scots Premier...he has no experience in England and a modest pedigree to be able to attract and retain good players....this is a mystery to me why Echo says so many people are so keen on him...maybe we will receive free Toblerone on match days? I am also staggered that so few people would welcome David Moyes....not sure many others would have fared better with the 'ageing' Man U team who were 'resistant to change'...Van Gaal will clear out and re-build... My favourites if they were available and wanted to join us; Moyes Benitez Poyet Koeman Laudrup McClaren All have significant Euro and or Prem experience.... we need stability and experience to steady the ship, retain our best players... and build for the future...[/p][/quote]While I take your point, Yakin massively overachieved in the Europa and Champions League, beating Chelsea and Tottenham by attacking away from home with real flair and bravery - similar to Poch you might say. Any foreign manager is a punt, but how many of us would have picked Poch based on his previous record, lack of English experience and lack of English full stop? I'd say precisely 0%. Agree with you on Moyes though - might not have been good enough for Man Utd, but I think he'd send out the right message and sort out our defence - which will in turn get us results. Plus, contrary to the myth, he does have a good record of bringing young kids through - he just likes to protect them by blooding them gently. Moyes, Yakin or AVB for me. It's horses for courses and these three, while not suited to big clubs (or clubs that like to think they are big clubs) are perfect for a club and structure like ours. Plus, in the case of Moyes and AVB I'd also like to think they've been burnt before, so will be less likely to jump ship quite as readily.[/p][/quote]Can't disagree...but do we know why Murat left Basle....resigned, sacked....good timing...or just a coincidence? Wembley76
  • Score: 0

5:47pm Wed 28 May 14

Blackknight says...

Surprised there has been no mention of wee Gorden. He had Saints playing as well as anyone and I think still lives in the area.
Surprised there has been no mention of wee Gorden. He had Saints playing as well as anyone and I think still lives in the area. Blackknight
  • Score: -3

5:51pm Wed 28 May 14

THE12THMAN says...

Wembley76 wrote:
Why on earth Murat Yakin? Swiss league is no better than Scots Premier...he has no experience in England and a modest pedigree to be able to attract and retain good players....this is a mystery to me why Echo says so many people are so keen on him...maybe we will receive free Toblerone on match days? I am also staggered that so few people would welcome David Moyes....not sure many others would have fared better with the 'ageing' Man U team who were 'resistant to change'...Van Gaal will clear out and re-build...
My favourites if they were available and wanted to join us;
Moyes
Benitez
Poyet
Koeman
Laudrup
McClaren
All have significant Euro and or Prem experience....
we need stability and experience to steady the ship, retain our best players... and build for the future...
I must agree, i think Moyes would be a good choice he knows the premier league and did a great job bringing on players like Rooney, Coleman, Baines and Barkley. His Everton teams were always very hard to beat. He has a good eye for a bargain i think he got coleman for a couple of hundred thousand pounds. Moyes was unlucky at Man U because he Inherited a lot of average players.
[quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: Why on earth Murat Yakin? Swiss league is no better than Scots Premier...he has no experience in England and a modest pedigree to be able to attract and retain good players....this is a mystery to me why Echo says so many people are so keen on him...maybe we will receive free Toblerone on match days? I am also staggered that so few people would welcome David Moyes....not sure many others would have fared better with the 'ageing' Man U team who were 'resistant to change'...Van Gaal will clear out and re-build... My favourites if they were available and wanted to join us; Moyes Benitez Poyet Koeman Laudrup McClaren All have significant Euro and or Prem experience.... we need stability and experience to steady the ship, retain our best players... and build for the future...[/p][/quote]I must agree, i think Moyes would be a good choice he knows the premier league and did a great job bringing on players like Rooney, Coleman, Baines and Barkley. His Everton teams were always very hard to beat. He has a good eye for a bargain i think he got coleman for a couple of hundred thousand pounds. Moyes was unlucky at Man U because he Inherited a lot of average players. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 5

6:06pm Wed 28 May 14

Halo Saint says...

What we need is for the powers that be within our club to have a spine & say NO...NO to selling or hustling our squad.CORTESE would have told them to jog on.HOW MANY OTHER CHAIRMEN HAVE FACED 6 LAWYERS & WENGER & WON ?!! Come on Katherina tell 'em all to fu-cough !! As for all these people saying Pochbackstabbingsnid
eygitattino is a great signing for spurs will be denying they said anything about their old club come JANUARY when Levy sacks him !!

Saints forever sod the rest
What we need is for the powers that be within our club to have a spine & say NO...NO to selling or hustling our squad.CORTESE would have told them to jog on.HOW MANY OTHER CHAIRMEN HAVE FACED 6 LAWYERS & WENGER & WON ?!! Come on Katherina tell 'em all to fu-cough !! As for all these people saying Pochbackstabbingsnid eygitattino is a great signing for spurs will be denying they said anything about their old club come JANUARY when Levy sacks him !! Saints forever sod the rest Halo Saint
  • Score: 4

6:15pm Wed 28 May 14

long memory says...

To all of you headless chickens out there,regarding KL et al,I say,"OH YE OF LITTLE FAITH"
To all of you headless chickens out there,regarding KL et al,I say,"OH YE OF LITTLE FAITH" long memory
  • Score: 2

6:21pm Wed 28 May 14

milton road says...

At last a positive statement from Saints headllining SKY
At last a positive statement from Saints headllining SKY milton road
  • Score: 3

6:24pm Wed 28 May 14

Confucious says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Wembley76 wrote:
Why on earth Murat Yakin? Swiss league is no better than Scots Premier...he has no experience in England and a modest pedigree to be able to attract and retain good players....this is a mystery to me why Echo says so many people are so keen on him...maybe we will receive free Toblerone on match days? I am also staggered that so few people would welcome David Moyes....not sure many others would have fared better with the 'ageing' Man U team who were 'resistant to change'...Van Gaal will clear out and re-build...
My favourites if they were available and wanted to join us;
Moyes
Benitez
Poyet
Koeman
Laudrup
McClaren
All have significant Euro and or Prem experience....
we need stability and experience to steady the ship, retain our best players... and build for the future...
I must agree, i think Moyes would be a good choice he knows the premier league and did a great job bringing on players like Rooney, Coleman, Baines and Barkley. His Everton teams were always very hard to beat. He has a good eye for a bargain i think he got coleman for a couple of hundred thousand pounds. Moyes was unlucky at Man U because he Inherited a lot of average players.
I think the wonderful chant we had for MoPo contributed to our recent success so I wonder which newcomer has a name to inspire the best chant?

MuRAT or MATteo have merit because the words which happen to rhyme most in the English language are all the "ats" - ie cat, sat, hat, rat, fat etc.

What we don't want is Magsdsk Schmorlks.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: Why on earth Murat Yakin? Swiss league is no better than Scots Premier...he has no experience in England and a modest pedigree to be able to attract and retain good players....this is a mystery to me why Echo says so many people are so keen on him...maybe we will receive free Toblerone on match days? I am also staggered that so few people would welcome David Moyes....not sure many others would have fared better with the 'ageing' Man U team who were 'resistant to change'...Van Gaal will clear out and re-build... My favourites if they were available and wanted to join us; Moyes Benitez Poyet Koeman Laudrup McClaren All have significant Euro and or Prem experience.... we need stability and experience to steady the ship, retain our best players... and build for the future...[/p][/quote]I must agree, i think Moyes would be a good choice he knows the premier league and did a great job bringing on players like Rooney, Coleman, Baines and Barkley. His Everton teams were always very hard to beat. He has a good eye for a bargain i think he got coleman for a couple of hundred thousand pounds. Moyes was unlucky at Man U because he Inherited a lot of average players.[/p][/quote]I think the wonderful chant we had for MoPo contributed to our recent success so I wonder which newcomer has a name to inspire the best chant? MuRAT or MATteo have merit because the words which happen to rhyme most in the English language are all the "ats" - ie cat, sat, hat, rat, fat etc. What we don't want is Magsdsk Schmorlks. Confucious
  • Score: 0

6:33pm Wed 28 May 14

Galapagos Saint says...

I'd go for Dave Diaper. Legend
I'd go for Dave Diaper. Legend Galapagos Saint
  • Score: 0

6:41pm Wed 28 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

jls217 wrote:
Turn your tellies on ladies and gents - Sky Sports News - It seems each time they play it they add another little snippet from Freddie Kruger.

Listen to it and make your own minds up. Mine is at ease - we're going to be okay and the ship is being steered in the right direction.
There will be money avail for incoming manager (not disclosed how much of course) There is a list of potential transfer target already drawn up and a shortlist of potential managers will be worked through and a decision made quickly. They were not totally surprised at Pochettino's treachery. Matty had a little interview too and what he had to say was interesting and reassuring.
There are no plans drawn up to sell any player. If any player is to go it will only by done if it is in the interests of Saints as all players are under long contracts. I think we can expect a release through Les ref players once the new manager is in place or I think that's what I just heard - as I said every time they've put it on there's a little more added.

Now I know for sure next season is going to be orgasmic.
He spoke well. Surprised to see how much he distanced himself from the transfer dealing pointing out he is chairman and not the sporting director. Les seems to have real power.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Turn your tellies on ladies and gents - Sky Sports News - It seems each time they play it they add another little snippet from Freddie Kruger. Listen to it and make your own minds up. Mine is at ease - we're going to be okay and the ship is being steered in the right direction. There will be money avail for incoming manager (not disclosed how much of course) There is a list of potential transfer target already drawn up and a shortlist of potential managers will be worked through and a decision made quickly. They were not totally surprised at Pochettino's treachery. Matty had a little interview too and what he had to say was interesting and reassuring. There are no plans drawn up to sell any player. If any player is to go it will only by done if it is in the interests of Saints as all players are under long contracts. I think we can expect a release through Les ref players once the new manager is in place or I think that's what I just heard - as I said every time they've put it on there's a little more added. Now I know for sure next season is going to be orgasmic.[/p][/quote]He spoke well. Surprised to see how much he distanced himself from the transfer dealing pointing out he is chairman and not the sporting director. Les seems to have real power. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

6:46pm Wed 28 May 14

saintkenny says...

silly skunts redknapp dumped pompey for spurs ,but were not left in a mess like they were.we have the people that found 3 great managers to take us forward and they will again as the club prospers in the premier league wtfiln
silly skunts redknapp dumped pompey for spurs ,but were not left in a mess like they were.we have the people that found 3 great managers to take us forward and they will again as the club prospers in the premier league wtfiln saintkenny
  • Score: 1

6:49pm Wed 28 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Confucious wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Wembley76 wrote:
Why on earth Murat Yakin? Swiss league is no better than Scots Premier...he has no experience in England and a modest pedigree to be able to attract and retain good players....this is a mystery to me why Echo says so many people are so keen on him...maybe we will receive free Toblerone on match days? I am also staggered that so few people would welcome David Moyes....not sure many others would have fared better with the 'ageing' Man U team who were 'resistant to change'...Van Gaal will clear out and re-build...
My favourites if they were available and wanted to join us;
Moyes
Benitez
Poyet
Koeman
Laudrup
McClaren
All have significant Euro and or Prem experience....
we need stability and experience to steady the ship, retain our best players... and build for the future...
I must agree, i think Moyes would be a good choice he knows the premier league and did a great job bringing on players like Rooney, Coleman, Baines and Barkley. His Everton teams were always very hard to beat. He has a good eye for a bargain i think he got coleman for a couple of hundred thousand pounds. Moyes was unlucky at Man U because he Inherited a lot of average players.
I think the wonderful chant we had for MoPo contributed to our recent success so I wonder which newcomer has a name to inspire the best chant?

MuRAT or MATteo have merit because the words which happen to rhyme most in the English language are all the "ats" - ie cat, sat, hat, rat, fat etc.

What we don't want is Magsdsk Schmorlks.
Huw Bertie Bate-Harsterd would be good.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: Why on earth Murat Yakin? Swiss league is no better than Scots Premier...he has no experience in England and a modest pedigree to be able to attract and retain good players....this is a mystery to me why Echo says so many people are so keen on him...maybe we will receive free Toblerone on match days? I am also staggered that so few people would welcome David Moyes....not sure many others would have fared better with the 'ageing' Man U team who were 'resistant to change'...Van Gaal will clear out and re-build... My favourites if they were available and wanted to join us; Moyes Benitez Poyet Koeman Laudrup McClaren All have significant Euro and or Prem experience.... we need stability and experience to steady the ship, retain our best players... and build for the future...[/p][/quote]I must agree, i think Moyes would be a good choice he knows the premier league and did a great job bringing on players like Rooney, Coleman, Baines and Barkley. His Everton teams were always very hard to beat. He has a good eye for a bargain i think he got coleman for a couple of hundred thousand pounds. Moyes was unlucky at Man U because he Inherited a lot of average players.[/p][/quote]I think the wonderful chant we had for MoPo contributed to our recent success so I wonder which newcomer has a name to inspire the best chant? MuRAT or MATteo have merit because the words which happen to rhyme most in the English language are all the "ats" - ie cat, sat, hat, rat, fat etc. What we don't want is Magsdsk Schmorlks.[/p][/quote]Huw Bertie Bate-Harsterd would be good. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

6:55pm Wed 28 May 14

Invidia says...

I have just read that Spurs has made available to MoPo £30 million plus the sale of any players, to buy players firstly that is not enough to buy Adam and Jay and secondly I am led to believe that is roughly the same as what is available to Saints to spend so why did MoPo leave my guess is that he planned to leave when NC left and used us as a stepping stone to further his CV and my guess also is he is doing the same with Spurs
I have just read that Spurs has made available to MoPo £30 million plus the sale of any players, to buy players firstly that is not enough to buy Adam and Jay and secondly I am led to believe that is roughly the same as what is available to Saints to spend so why did MoPo leave my guess is that he planned to leave when NC left and used us as a stepping stone to further his CV and my guess also is he is doing the same with Spurs Invidia
  • Score: 4

7:01pm Wed 28 May 14

Deejaycee says...

miltonarcher wrote:
If Lallana is to be sold sell him to Liverpool, not Spurs. Same applies to the rest of the squad.
Goodness me have you changed your tune. It wasn't long ago you were telling us all that Lallana was going nowhere.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: If Lallana is to be sold sell him to Liverpool, not Spurs. Same applies to the rest of the squad.[/p][/quote]Goodness me have you changed your tune. It wasn't long ago you were telling us all that Lallana was going nowhere. Deejaycee
  • Score: -1

7:19pm Wed 28 May 14

GHamilton says...

SaintJD wrote:
GHamilton wrote: My only regret in all this, is that we lost a genuine, honest, and capable manager to give this guy a chance at managng this great club. Like Hoddle before him he could n't get out he door quick enough. I cant bring myself to wish him good luck......though God knows he's going to need it. NO, we should not give up all hope, but trust in our boad and our owner....why? because what's our alternative. By all accous KL wanted to keep him by tripling his salary, this does not sound like the actions of somebody who is not prepared to invest in this club. Whatever happens Saints fans should remain positive and calm......its not like we ve just lost a realy great manager, there are better than him out there, in one year from now he'll be a forgotten man at SMS
Capable no question - great manager. Honest and genuine? Honest in terms of his work ethic, yes. Not entirely sure if he's been 100% honest and genuine in recent months though. All the 'don't want to be distracted from the season', 'I have one year left what's the big deal' rhetoric has left a nasty taste in the mouth for me, as has the fact that he clearly didn't feel any affinity to the club or the fans (as shown in his eagerness to leave and in the cup to some extent), just his former employer. Great manager for us - love his style of football and he seems like a genuinely nice guy - but I believe he decided he wanted to leave in January, strung them along and waited to see what would become available. I'm not going to suddenly hate the guy and say he's disloyal - after Nigel, Billy Sharp and others I don't think we have the right to talk about loyalty - but I'm slightly disappointed, because we took a major punt on this guy - it wasn't as if he was slumming it or having to wade through the job offers.
SaintJD.
You seem to have mis-read my post. I was refferring to Nigel Adkins as capable, honest and genuine...and a guy who if we 're honest built the side that this guy took charge of. My feeling is that watching NA being interviewed after each one of his promotion successes, his genuine emotion for the team and the club....he would NEVER have b@@@@@@d of and left us! You are right to feel the way you do, as all true saints fans should feel....with a bad taste left in the mouth. Thankfully bad tastes left in the mouth dont constitute serious health problems....we,re OK ...we're in good hands...success was never meant to be easy.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: My only regret in all this, is that we lost a genuine, honest, and capable manager to give this guy a chance at managng this great club. Like Hoddle before him he could n't get out he door quick enough. I cant bring myself to wish him good luck......though God knows he's going to need it. NO, we should not give up all hope, but trust in our boad and our owner....why? because what's our alternative. By all accous KL wanted to keep him by tripling his salary, this does not sound like the actions of somebody who is not prepared to invest in this club. Whatever happens Saints fans should remain positive and calm......its not like we ve just lost a realy great manager, there are better than him out there, in one year from now he'll be a forgotten man at SMS[/p][/quote]Capable no question - great manager. Honest and genuine? Honest in terms of his work ethic, yes. Not entirely sure if he's been 100% honest and genuine in recent months though. All the 'don't want to be distracted from the season', 'I have one year left what's the big deal' rhetoric has left a nasty taste in the mouth for me, as has the fact that he clearly didn't feel any affinity to the club or the fans (as shown in his eagerness to leave and in the cup to some extent), just his former employer. Great manager for us - love his style of football and he seems like a genuinely nice guy - but I believe he decided he wanted to leave in January, strung them along and waited to see what would become available. I'm not going to suddenly hate the guy and say he's disloyal - after Nigel, Billy Sharp and others I don't think we have the right to talk about loyalty - but I'm slightly disappointed, because we took a major punt on this guy - it wasn't as if he was slumming it or having to wade through the job offers.[/p][/quote]SaintJD. You seem to have mis-read my post. I was refferring to Nigel Adkins as capable, honest and genuine...and a guy who if we 're honest built the side that this guy took charge of. My feeling is that watching NA being interviewed after each one of his promotion successes, his genuine emotion for the team and the club....he would NEVER have b@@@@@@d of and left us! You are right to feel the way you do, as all true saints fans should feel....with a bad taste left in the mouth. Thankfully bad tastes left in the mouth dont constitute serious health problems....we,re OK ...we're in good hands...success was never meant to be easy. GHamilton
  • Score: 5

7:23pm Wed 28 May 14

LEE FROM THE LANE says...

I bet Pochettino felt like a king this morning.he's been given his ticket out of nowhereville and gets to join the Spurs,talk about living the dream.The papers say he'll be back to do a spot of summer shopping,I hear you've got a big sale on innit.
I bet Pochettino felt like a king this morning.he's been given his ticket out of nowhereville and gets to join the Spurs,talk about living the dream.The papers say he'll be back to do a spot of summer shopping,I hear you've got a big sale on innit. LEE FROM THE LANE
  • Score: -9

7:35pm Wed 28 May 14

Rob The Saint NOT in NZ says...

LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
I bet Pochettino felt like a king this morning.he's been given his ticket out of nowhereville and gets to join the Spurs,talk about living the dream.The papers say he'll be back to do a spot of summer shopping,I hear you've got a big sale on innit.
Nightmare more like with your chairman's reputation.
[quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: I bet Pochettino felt like a king this morning.he's been given his ticket out of nowhereville and gets to join the Spurs,talk about living the dream.The papers say he'll be back to do a spot of summer shopping,I hear you've got a big sale on innit.[/p][/quote]Nightmare more like with your chairman's reputation. Rob The Saint NOT in NZ
  • Score: 2

7:42pm Wed 28 May 14

50yearsasaint says...

I am relieved that Pochettino has gone.

His heart wasn't in Saints after Cortese left. Also, as others have pointed out, his abilities as a manager were limited. He certainly stirred up the Premier League with his high-pressing tactics, and the players loved his intense training sessions. He has a very good defensive mind, and transformed Wanyama and Cork into very good players. Also, we have to remember that injuries to Boruc, Wanyama, Schneiderlin and others just before Christmas dealt us a blow,

However, he was increasingly exposed as a one-tactic wonder, who couldn't translate possession into goals. I actually think our team underperformed last year under him.

I am sure we will get a great new manager, and will probably finish ahead of Spurs next year. I don't think Pochettino will last there for more than a year or so, especially as he doesn't like competing in domestic cup competitions - one of Spurs' greatest feats.

My first post! I grew up as a kid watching the likes of Terry Paine and Ron Davis from the old Boys' Enclosure at the Milton Road End. Great times!
COYR!
I am relieved that Pochettino has gone. His heart wasn't in Saints after Cortese left. Also, as others have pointed out, his abilities as a manager were limited. He certainly stirred up the Premier League with his high-pressing tactics, and the players loved his intense training sessions. He has a very good defensive mind, and transformed Wanyama and Cork into very good players. Also, we have to remember that injuries to Boruc, Wanyama, Schneiderlin and others just before Christmas dealt us a blow, However, he was increasingly exposed as a one-tactic wonder, who couldn't translate possession into goals. I actually think our team underperformed last year under him. I am sure we will get a great new manager, and will probably finish ahead of Spurs next year. I don't think Pochettino will last there for more than a year or so, especially as he doesn't like competing in domestic cup competitions - one of Spurs' greatest feats. My first post! I grew up as a kid watching the likes of Terry Paine and Ron Davis from the old Boys' Enclosure at the Milton Road End. Great times! COYR! 50yearsasaint
  • Score: 11

7:47pm Wed 28 May 14

mickey01 says...

SaintJD wrote:
Wembley76 wrote:
Why on earth Murat Yakin? Swiss league is no better than Scots Premier...he has no experience in England and a modest pedigree to be able to attract and retain good players....this is a mystery to me why Echo says so many people are so keen on him...maybe we will receive free Toblerone on match days? I am also staggered that so few people would welcome David Moyes....not sure many others would have fared better with the 'ageing' Man U team who were 'resistant to change'...Van Gaal will clear out and re-build...
My favourites if they were available and wanted to join us;
Moyes
Benitez
Poyet
Koeman
Laudrup
McClaren
All have significant Euro and or Prem experience....
we need stability and experience to steady the ship, retain our best players... and build for the future...
While I take your point, Yakin massively overachieved in the Europa and Champions League, beating Chelsea and Tottenham by attacking away from home with real flair and bravery - similar to Poch you might say.

Any foreign manager is a punt, but how many of us would have picked Poch based on his previous record, lack of English experience and lack of English full stop? I'd say precisely 0%.

Agree with you on Moyes though - might not have been good enough for Man Utd, but I think he'd send out the right message and sort out our defence - which will in turn get us results.

Plus, contrary to the myth, he does have a good record of bringing young kids through - he just likes to protect them by blooding them gently.

Moyes, Yakin or AVB for me.

It's horses for courses and these three, while not suited to big clubs (or clubs that like to think they are big clubs) are perfect for a club and structure like ours.

Plus, in the case of Moyes and AVB I'd also like to think they've been burnt before, so will be less likely to jump ship quite as readily.
moyes doesn't play the attacking football we have enjoyed
laudrup did at swansea so i think he is a better choice poyet has not really done alot to justify coming here
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: Why on earth Murat Yakin? Swiss league is no better than Scots Premier...he has no experience in England and a modest pedigree to be able to attract and retain good players....this is a mystery to me why Echo says so many people are so keen on him...maybe we will receive free Toblerone on match days? I am also staggered that so few people would welcome David Moyes....not sure many others would have fared better with the 'ageing' Man U team who were 'resistant to change'...Van Gaal will clear out and re-build... My favourites if they were available and wanted to join us; Moyes Benitez Poyet Koeman Laudrup McClaren All have significant Euro and or Prem experience.... we need stability and experience to steady the ship, retain our best players... and build for the future...[/p][/quote]While I take your point, Yakin massively overachieved in the Europa and Champions League, beating Chelsea and Tottenham by attacking away from home with real flair and bravery - similar to Poch you might say. Any foreign manager is a punt, but how many of us would have picked Poch based on his previous record, lack of English experience and lack of English full stop? I'd say precisely 0%. Agree with you on Moyes though - might not have been good enough for Man Utd, but I think he'd send out the right message and sort out our defence - which will in turn get us results. Plus, contrary to the myth, he does have a good record of bringing young kids through - he just likes to protect them by blooding them gently. Moyes, Yakin or AVB for me. It's horses for courses and these three, while not suited to big clubs (or clubs that like to think they are big clubs) are perfect for a club and structure like ours. Plus, in the case of Moyes and AVB I'd also like to think they've been burnt before, so will be less likely to jump ship quite as readily.[/p][/quote]moyes doesn't play the attacking football we have enjoyed laudrup did at swansea so i think he is a better choice poyet has not really done alot to justify coming here mickey01
  • Score: 0

7:51pm Wed 28 May 14

LEE FROM THE LANE says...

Who is this Chambers?Papers reckon him and another half dozen are going to be the players we take from you.Is he good?
Who is this Chambers?Papers reckon him and another half dozen are going to be the players we take from you.Is he good? LEE FROM THE LANE
  • Score: -8

7:52pm Wed 28 May 14

Rob The Saint NOT in NZ says...

Laudrup for me.
Laudrup for me. Rob The Saint NOT in NZ
  • Score: -1

7:52pm Wed 28 May 14

THE12THMAN says...

LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
I bet Pochettino felt like a king this morning.he's been given his ticket out of nowhereville and gets to join the Spurs,talk about living the dream.The papers say he'll be back to do a spot of summer shopping,I hear you've got a big sale on innit.
I will bet that he does not get you into the champions league and Levy kicks him out of spudsville. Take it from me your chairman has sacked better managers than him, come next season you will see for yourself.
[quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: I bet Pochettino felt like a king this morning.he's been given his ticket out of nowhereville and gets to join the Spurs,talk about living the dream.The papers say he'll be back to do a spot of summer shopping,I hear you've got a big sale on innit.[/p][/quote]I will bet that he does not get you into the champions league and Levy kicks him out of spudsville. Take it from me your chairman has sacked better managers than him, come next season you will see for yourself. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 5

7:53pm Wed 28 May 14

Rob The Saint NOT in NZ says...

LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Who is this Chambers?Papers reckon him and another half dozen are going to be the players we take from you.Is he good?
You can't afford them, little Lee.
[quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Who is this Chambers?Papers reckon him and another half dozen are going to be the players we take from you.Is he good?[/p][/quote]You can't afford them, little Lee. Rob The Saint NOT in NZ
  • Score: 5

7:54pm Wed 28 May 14

Skating on thin ice says...

Ha ha ha you ran a poll for over 24 hours on who should be your next manager and barely 200 people voted. Is that your entire loyal fanbase?

What about Richie Barker - young hungry manager who does not tolerate any lack of commitment from his players? Or Terry Butcher - former England international player, experienced in managing at the highest level in, er, Scotland, and just had a very, er, successful season with Edinburgh's premier club Hibernian? The possibilities are endless. I am sure that Freddie K. is fully in command of the case.
Ha ha ha you ran a poll for over 24 hours on who should be your next manager and barely 200 people voted. Is that your entire loyal fanbase? What about Richie Barker - young hungry manager who does not tolerate any lack of commitment from his players? Or Terry Butcher - former England international player, experienced in managing at the highest level in, er, Scotland, and just had a very, er, successful season with Edinburgh's premier club Hibernian? The possibilities are endless. I am sure that Freddie K. is fully in command of the case. Skating on thin ice
  • Score: -4

7:55pm Wed 28 May 14

THE12THMAN says...

LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Who is this Chambers?Papers reckon him and another half dozen are going to be the players we take from you.Is he good?
The only Chambers you will get is Guy Chambers!
[quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Who is this Chambers?Papers reckon him and another half dozen are going to be the players we take from you.Is he good?[/p][/quote]The only Chambers you will get is Guy Chambers! THE12THMAN
  • Score: 1

7:55pm Wed 28 May 14

jls217 says...

GHamilton wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
GHamilton wrote: My only regret in all this, is that we lost a genuine, honest, and capable manager to give this guy a chance at managng this great club. Like Hoddle before him he could n't get out he door quick enough. I cant bring myself to wish him good luck......though God knows he's going to need it. NO, we should not give up all hope, but trust in our boad and our owner....why? because what's our alternative. By all accous KL wanted to keep him by tripling his salary, this does not sound like the actions of somebody who is not prepared to invest in this club. Whatever happens Saints fans should remain positive and calm......its not like we ve just lost a realy great manager, there are better than him out there, in one year from now he'll be a forgotten man at SMS
Capable no question - great manager. Honest and genuine? Honest in terms of his work ethic, yes. Not entirely sure if he's been 100% honest and genuine in recent months though. All the 'don't want to be distracted from the season', 'I have one year left what's the big deal' rhetoric has left a nasty taste in the mouth for me, as has the fact that he clearly didn't feel any affinity to the club or the fans (as shown in his eagerness to leave and in the cup to some extent), just his former employer. Great manager for us - love his style of football and he seems like a genuinely nice guy - but I believe he decided he wanted to leave in January, strung them along and waited to see what would become available. I'm not going to suddenly hate the guy and say he's disloyal - after Nigel, Billy Sharp and others I don't think we have the right to talk about loyalty - but I'm slightly disappointed, because we took a major punt on this guy - it wasn't as if he was slumming it or having to wade through the job offers.
SaintJD.
You seem to have mis-read my post. I was refferring to Nigel Adkins as capable, honest and genuine...and a guy who if we 're honest built the side that this guy took charge of. My feeling is that watching NA being interviewed after each one of his promotion successes, his genuine emotion for the team and the club....he would NEVER have b@@@@@@d of and left us! You are right to feel the way you do, as all true saints fans should feel....with a bad taste left in the mouth. Thankfully bad tastes left in the mouth dont constitute serious health problems....we,re OK ...we're in good hands...success was never meant to be easy.
Nigel was an inspired choice, Pochettino was the cuckoo in the nest and we're well rid of him.

The more that is coming out about him the more disillusioned I am about his whole tenure here.

I fear our dealings with this worm of a man are not yet finally over.

Saints have quite a history of treating our managers badly. Let's hope it stops and the next one is here for the long haul to really put his mark on the club.
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: My only regret in all this, is that we lost a genuine, honest, and capable manager to give this guy a chance at managng this great club. Like Hoddle before him he could n't get out he door quick enough. I cant bring myself to wish him good luck......though God knows he's going to need it. NO, we should not give up all hope, but trust in our boad and our owner....why? because what's our alternative. By all accous KL wanted to keep him by tripling his salary, this does not sound like the actions of somebody who is not prepared to invest in this club. Whatever happens Saints fans should remain positive and calm......its not like we ve just lost a realy great manager, there are better than him out there, in one year from now he'll be a forgotten man at SMS[/p][/quote]Capable no question - great manager. Honest and genuine? Honest in terms of his work ethic, yes. Not entirely sure if he's been 100% honest and genuine in recent months though. All the 'don't want to be distracted from the season', 'I have one year left what's the big deal' rhetoric has left a nasty taste in the mouth for me, as has the fact that he clearly didn't feel any affinity to the club or the fans (as shown in his eagerness to leave and in the cup to some extent), just his former employer. Great manager for us - love his style of football and he seems like a genuinely nice guy - but I believe he decided he wanted to leave in January, strung them along and waited to see what would become available. I'm not going to suddenly hate the guy and say he's disloyal - after Nigel, Billy Sharp and others I don't think we have the right to talk about loyalty - but I'm slightly disappointed, because we took a major punt on this guy - it wasn't as if he was slumming it or having to wade through the job offers.[/p][/quote]SaintJD. You seem to have mis-read my post. I was refferring to Nigel Adkins as capable, honest and genuine...and a guy who if we 're honest built the side that this guy took charge of. My feeling is that watching NA being interviewed after each one of his promotion successes, his genuine emotion for the team and the club....he would NEVER have b@@@@@@d of and left us! You are right to feel the way you do, as all true saints fans should feel....with a bad taste left in the mouth. Thankfully bad tastes left in the mouth dont constitute serious health problems....we,re OK ...we're in good hands...success was never meant to be easy.[/p][/quote]Nigel was an inspired choice, Pochettino was the cuckoo in the nest and we're well rid of him. The more that is coming out about him the more disillusioned I am about his whole tenure here. I fear our dealings with this worm of a man are not yet finally over. Saints have quite a history of treating our managers badly. Let's hope it stops and the next one is here for the long haul to really put his mark on the club. jls217
  • Score: 1

7:58pm Wed 28 May 14

saintkenny says...

LEE FROM THE LANE wrote:
Who is this Chambers?Papers reckon him and another half dozen are going to be the players we take from you.Is he good?
your going to disappointed poch never has a plan b makes the wrong substitutions you had a better manager in avb dont get over excited youe see come august what you have got another mistake by levi the job is to big for him
[quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: Who is this Chambers?Papers reckon him and another half dozen are going to be the players we take from you.Is he good?[/p][/quote]your going to disappointed poch never has a plan b makes the wrong substitutions you had a better manager in avb dont get over excited youe see come august what you have got another mistake by levi the job is to big for him saintkenny
  • Score: 6

7:59pm Wed 28 May 14

jls217 says...

Confucious wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Wembley76 wrote:
Why on earth Murat Yakin? Swiss league is no better than Scots Premier...he has no experience in England and a modest pedigree to be able to attract and retain good players....this is a mystery to me why Echo says so many people are so keen on him...maybe we will receive free Toblerone on match days? I am also staggered that so few people would welcome David Moyes....not sure many others would have fared better with the 'ageing' Man U team who were 'resistant to change'...Van Gaal will clear out and re-build...
My favourites if they were available and wanted to join us;
Moyes
Benitez
Poyet
Koeman
Laudrup
McClaren
All have significant Euro and or Prem experience....
we need stability and experience to steady the ship, retain our best players... and build for the future...
I must agree, i think Moyes would be a good choice he knows the premier league and did a great job bringing on players like Rooney, Coleman, Baines and Barkley. His Everton teams were always very hard to beat. He has a good eye for a bargain i think he got coleman for a couple of hundred thousand pounds. Moyes was unlucky at Man U because he Inherited a lot of average players.
I think the wonderful chant we had for MoPo contributed to our recent success so I wonder which newcomer has a name to inspire the best chant?

MuRAT or MATteo have merit because the words which happen to rhyme most in the English language are all the "ats" - ie cat, sat, hat, rat, fat etc.

What we don't want is Magsdsk Schmorlks.
Which is a shame 'cos ole Schmorlksy is the dogs and cheap as chips too.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: Why on earth Murat Yakin? Swiss league is no better than Scots Premier...he has no experience in England and a modest pedigree to be able to attract and retain good players....this is a mystery to me why Echo says so many people are so keen on him...maybe we will receive free Toblerone on match days? I am also staggered that so few people would welcome David Moyes....not sure many others would have fared better with the 'ageing' Man U team who were 'resistant to change'...Van Gaal will clear out and re-build... My favourites if they were available and wanted to join us; Moyes Benitez Poyet Koeman Laudrup McClaren All have significant Euro and or Prem experience.... we need stability and experience to steady the ship, retain our best players... and build for the future...[/p][/quote]I must agree, i think Moyes would be a good choice he knows the premier league and did a great job bringing on players like Rooney, Coleman, Baines and Barkley. His Everton teams were always very hard to beat. He has a good eye for a bargain i think he got coleman for a couple of hundred thousand pounds. Moyes was unlucky at Man U because he Inherited a lot of average players.[/p][/quote]I think the wonderful chant we had for MoPo contributed to our recent success so I wonder which newcomer has a name to inspire the best chant? MuRAT or MATteo have merit because the words which happen to rhyme most in the English language are all the "ats" - ie cat, sat, hat, rat, fat etc. What we don't want is Magsdsk Schmorlks.[/p][/quote]Which is a shame 'cos ole Schmorlksy is the dogs and cheap as chips too. jls217
  • Score: -1

8:06pm Wed 28 May 14

GHamilton says...

Rob The Saint NOT in NZ wrote:
LEE FROM THE LANE wrote: I bet Pochettino felt like a king this morning.he's been given his ticket out of nowhereville and gets to join the Spurs,talk about living the dream.The papers say he'll be back to do a spot of summer shopping,I hear you've got a big sale on innit.
Nightmare more like with your chairman's reputation.
Yeah I bet Moyes felt like a king when handed the Man Utd job
[quote][p][bold]Rob The Saint NOT in NZ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LEE FROM THE LANE[/bold] wrote: I bet Pochettino felt like a king this morning.he's been given his ticket out of nowhereville and gets to join the Spurs,talk about living the dream.The papers say he'll be back to do a spot of summer shopping,I hear you've got a big sale on innit.[/p][/quote]Nightmare more like with your chairman's reputation.[/p][/quote]Yeah I bet Moyes felt like a king when handed the Man Utd job GHamilton
  • Score: 2

8:07pm Wed 28 May 14

up saints says...

simple we need to get someone on board who is strong enough to stop all are star players leaving.world cup is a blessing could give us time.
simple we need to get someone on board who is strong enough to stop all are star players leaving.world cup is a blessing could give us time. up saints
  • Score: 0

8:08pm Wed 28 May 14

saintkenny says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
Ha ha ha you ran a poll for over 24 hours on who should be your next manager and barely 200 people voted. Is that your entire loyal fanbase?

What about Richie Barker - young hungry manager who does not tolerate any lack of commitment from his players? Or Terry Butcher - former England international player, experienced in managing at the highest level in, er, Scotland, and just had a very, er, successful season with Edinburgh's premier club Hibernian? The possibilities are endless. I am sure that Freddie K. is fully in command of the case.
its the same team that appointed ap na and mp makes no difference still it entertains you while your team rot away in debt in league 2 .but you love are club always on here must give you pleasure a south club not cheating in the premier league .what state were you in when harry dumped you for spurs .look at us no comparison ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: Ha ha ha you ran a poll for over 24 hours on who should be your next manager and barely 200 people voted. Is that your entire loyal fanbase? What about Richie Barker - young hungry manager who does not tolerate any lack of commitment from his players? Or Terry Butcher - former England international player, experienced in managing at the highest level in, er, Scotland, and just had a very, er, successful season with Edinburgh's premier club Hibernian? The possibilities are endless. I am sure that Freddie K. is fully in command of the case.[/p][/quote]its the same team that appointed ap na and mp makes no difference still it entertains you while your team rot away in debt in league 2 .but you love are club always on here must give you pleasure a south club not cheating in the premier league .what state were you in when harry dumped you for spurs .look at us no comparison ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha saintkenny
  • Score: 2

8:11pm Wed 28 May 14

Rob The Saint NOT in NZ says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
Ha ha ha you ran a poll for over 24 hours on who should be your next manager and barely 200 people voted. Is that your entire loyal fanbase?

What about Richie Barker - young hungry manager who does not tolerate any lack of commitment from his players? Or Terry Butcher - former England international player, experienced in managing at the highest level in, er, Scotland, and just had a very, er, successful season with Edinburgh's premier club Hibernian? The possibilities are endless. I am sure that Freddie K. is fully in command of the case.
A Poopee fan trying to instruct us on managerial appointments - priceless!
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: Ha ha ha you ran a poll for over 24 hours on who should be your next manager and barely 200 people voted. Is that your entire loyal fanbase? What about Richie Barker - young hungry manager who does not tolerate any lack of commitment from his players? Or Terry Butcher - former England international player, experienced in managing at the highest level in, er, Scotland, and just had a very, er, successful season with Edinburgh's premier club Hibernian? The possibilities are endless. I am sure that Freddie K. is fully in command of the case.[/p][/quote]A Poopee fan trying to instruct us on managerial appointments - priceless! Rob The Saint NOT in NZ
  • Score: 2

8:14pm Wed 28 May 14

THE12THMAN says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
Ha ha ha you ran a poll for over 24 hours on who should be your next manager and barely 200 people voted. Is that your entire loyal fanbase?

What about Richie Barker - young hungry manager who does not tolerate any lack of commitment from his players? Or Terry Butcher - former England international player, experienced in managing at the highest level in, er, Scotland, and just had a very, er, successful season with Edinburgh's premier club Hibernian? The possibilities are endless. I am sure that Freddie K. is fully in command of the case.
Terrible english grammar, are you from Scotland or Poopey? COYR
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: Ha ha ha you ran a poll for over 24 hours on who should be your next manager and barely 200 people voted. Is that your entire loyal fanbase? What about Richie Barker - young hungry manager who does not tolerate any lack of commitment from his players? Or Terry Butcher - former England international player, experienced in managing at the highest level in, er, Scotland, and just had a very, er, successful season with Edinburgh's premier club Hibernian? The possibilities are endless. I am sure that Freddie K. is fully in command of the case.[/p][/quote]Terrible english grammar, are you from Scotland or Poopey? COYR THE12THMAN
  • Score: 3

8:18pm Wed 28 May 14

Skating on thin ice says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'?

I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels.

When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable.

Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.
I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention?

He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season.

What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe.
We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues.

Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders.

STID COYR
Yes I am a Skate WUM and by no means a friend of your Club, but today I am posting a message under a flag of truce.

I agree with both of your analyses. You had a golden opportunity to break into the elite top few. The combination of players who have been with you since the League 1 days and have developed enough to hold their own in the Premier League and even be selected for England... plus the younger playres from the Academy coming through. This was a once in a generation opportunity, comparable to Blackburn's breakthrough on Jack Walker's money 20 years ago. And you have blown it.

Katharina does not seem to understand the situation she was in at all.
I agree with Seed's analysis of her lack of business acumen. I am genuinely mystified by the way she has mis-handled her father's inheritance. His engineering genius led to lucrative patents in fuel injection technology, now used worldwide... and her only interest seemed to be to employ Nicola to close down and liquidate his MALI companies. It is not even clear who now owns the intellectual property of those patents and their huge royalty income... if she wasn't interested she could have sold those companies as going concerns to major engineering conglomerates. But instead she liquidated them. And now her sole business focus seems to be on Southampton football club. If I were you I would be VERY afraid.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'? I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels. When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable. Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.[/p][/quote]I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention? He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season. What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe. We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues. Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders. STID COYR[/p][/quote]Yes I am a Skate WUM and by no means a friend of your Club, but today I am posting a message under a flag of truce. I agree with both of your analyses. You had a golden opportunity to break into the elite top few. The combination of players who have been with you since the League 1 days and have developed enough to hold their own in the Premier League and even be selected for England... plus the younger playres from the Academy coming through. This was a once in a generation opportunity, comparable to Blackburn's breakthrough on Jack Walker's money 20 years ago. And you have blown it. Katharina does not seem to understand the situation she was in at all. I agree with Seed's analysis of her lack of business acumen. I am genuinely mystified by the way she has mis-handled her father's inheritance. His engineering genius led to lucrative patents in fuel injection technology, now used worldwide... and her only interest seemed to be to employ Nicola to close down and liquidate his MALI companies. It is not even clear who now owns the intellectual property of those patents and their huge royalty income... if she wasn't interested she could have sold those companies as going concerns to major engineering conglomerates. But instead she liquidated them. And now her sole business focus seems to be on Southampton football club. If I were you I would be VERY afraid. Skating on thin ice
  • Score: 0

8:26pm Wed 28 May 14

THE12THMAN says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'?

I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels.

When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable.

Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.
I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention?

He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season.

What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe.
We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues.

Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders.

STID COYR
Yes I am a Skate WUM and by no means a friend of your Club, but today I am posting a message under a flag of truce.

I agree with both of your analyses. You had a golden opportunity to break into the elite top few. The combination of players who have been with you since the League 1 days and have developed enough to hold their own in the Premier League and even be selected for England... plus the younger playres from the Academy coming through. This was a once in a generation opportunity, comparable to Blackburn's breakthrough on Jack Walker's money 20 years ago. And you have blown it.

Katharina does not seem to understand the situation she was in at all.
I agree with Seed's analysis of her lack of business acumen. I am genuinely mystified by the way she has mis-handled her father's inheritance. His engineering genius led to lucrative patents in fuel injection technology, now used worldwide... and her only interest seemed to be to employ Nicola to close down and liquidate his MALI companies. It is not even clear who now owns the intellectual property of those patents and their huge royalty income... if she wasn't interested she could have sold those companies as going concerns to major engineering conglomerates. But instead she liquidated them. And now her sole business focus seems to be on Southampton football club. If I were you I would be VERY afraid.
Deep down i think you are a secret saints fan but you just can't bring yourself to admit it can you.
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'? I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels. When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable. Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.[/p][/quote]I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention? He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season. What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe. We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues. Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders. STID COYR[/p][/quote]Yes I am a Skate WUM and by no means a friend of your Club, but today I am posting a message under a flag of truce. I agree with both of your analyses. You had a golden opportunity to break into the elite top few. The combination of players who have been with you since the League 1 days and have developed enough to hold their own in the Premier League and even be selected for England... plus the younger playres from the Academy coming through. This was a once in a generation opportunity, comparable to Blackburn's breakthrough on Jack Walker's money 20 years ago. And you have blown it. Katharina does not seem to understand the situation she was in at all. I agree with Seed's analysis of her lack of business acumen. I am genuinely mystified by the way she has mis-handled her father's inheritance. His engineering genius led to lucrative patents in fuel injection technology, now used worldwide... and her only interest seemed to be to employ Nicola to close down and liquidate his MALI companies. It is not even clear who now owns the intellectual property of those patents and their huge royalty income... if she wasn't interested she could have sold those companies as going concerns to major engineering conglomerates. But instead she liquidated them. And now her sole business focus seems to be on Southampton football club. If I were you I would be VERY afraid.[/p][/quote]Deep down i think you are a secret saints fan but you just can't bring yourself to admit it can you. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 5

8:26pm Wed 28 May 14

saintkenny says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'?

I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels.

When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable.

Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.
I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention?

He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season.

What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe.
We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues.

Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders.

STID COYR
Yes I am a Skate WUM and by no means a friend of your Club, but today I am posting a message under a flag of truce.

I agree with both of your analyses. You had a golden opportunity to break into the elite top few. The combination of players who have been with you since the League 1 days and have developed enough to hold their own in the Premier League and even be selected for England... plus the younger playres from the Academy coming through. This was a once in a generation opportunity, comparable to Blackburn's breakthrough on Jack Walker's money 20 years ago. And you have blown it.

Katharina does not seem to understand the situation she was in at all.
I agree with Seed's analysis of her lack of business acumen. I am genuinely mystified by the way she has mis-handled her father's inheritance. His engineering genius led to lucrative patents in fuel injection technology, now used worldwide... and her only interest seemed to be to employ Nicola to close down and liquidate his MALI companies. It is not even clear who now owns the intellectual property of those patents and their huge royalty income... if she wasn't interested she could have sold those companies as going concerns to major engineering conglomerates. But instead she liquidated them. And now her sole business focus seems to be on Southampton football club. If I were you I would be VERY afraid.
but you seem to forget compared to your club nc set up a loan for staplewood for 40m which increases the value of the clubs assets and the stadium these remain at the whoever sales or buys .you had no assets and that was the reason you could get no buyer and the fans had to ,because you used no loans on assets only on a huge wage budget .so us who understand have nothing to be afraid about ,the average skate not very bright are you .stop comparing us to your corrupt club
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'? I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels. When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable. Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.[/p][/quote]I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention? He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season. What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe. We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues. Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders. STID COYR[/p][/quote]Yes I am a Skate WUM and by no means a friend of your Club, but today I am posting a message under a flag of truce. I agree with both of your analyses. You had a golden opportunity to break into the elite top few. The combination of players who have been with you since the League 1 days and have developed enough to hold their own in the Premier League and even be selected for England... plus the younger playres from the Academy coming through. This was a once in a generation opportunity, comparable to Blackburn's breakthrough on Jack Walker's money 20 years ago. And you have blown it. Katharina does not seem to understand the situation she was in at all. I agree with Seed's analysis of her lack of business acumen. I am genuinely mystified by the way she has mis-handled her father's inheritance. His engineering genius led to lucrative patents in fuel injection technology, now used worldwide... and her only interest seemed to be to employ Nicola to close down and liquidate his MALI companies. It is not even clear who now owns the intellectual property of those patents and their huge royalty income... if she wasn't interested she could have sold those companies as going concerns to major engineering conglomerates. But instead she liquidated them. And now her sole business focus seems to be on Southampton football club. If I were you I would be VERY afraid.[/p][/quote]but you seem to forget compared to your club nc set up a loan for staplewood for 40m which increases the value of the clubs assets and the stadium these remain at the whoever sales or buys .you had no assets and that was the reason you could get no buyer and the fans had to ,because you used no loans on assets only on a huge wage budget .so us who understand have nothing to be afraid about ,the average skate not very bright are you .stop comparing us to your corrupt club saintkenny
  • Score: 1

8:35pm Wed 28 May 14

Skating on thin ice says...

saintkenny wrote:
Skating on thin ice wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'?

I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels.

When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable.

Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.
I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention?

He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season.

What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe.
We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues.

Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders.

STID COYR
Yes I am a Skate WUM and by no means a friend of your Club, but today I am posting a message under a flag of truce.

I agree with both of your analyses. You had a golden opportunity to break into the elite top few. The combination of players who have been with you since the League 1 days and have developed enough to hold their own in the Premier League and even be selected for England... plus the younger playres from the Academy coming through. This was a once in a generation opportunity, comparable to Blackburn's breakthrough on Jack Walker's money 20 years ago. And you have blown it.

Katharina does not seem to understand the situation she was in at all.
I agree with Seed's analysis of her lack of business acumen. I am genuinely mystified by the way she has mis-handled her father's inheritance. His engineering genius led to lucrative patents in fuel injection technology, now used worldwide... and her only interest seemed to be to employ Nicola to close down and liquidate his MALI companies. It is not even clear who now owns the intellectual property of those patents and their huge royalty income... if she wasn't interested she could have sold those companies as going concerns to major engineering conglomerates. But instead she liquidated them. And now her sole business focus seems to be on Southampton football club. If I were you I would be VERY afraid.
but you seem to forget compared to your club nc set up a loan for staplewood for 40m which increases the value of the clubs assets and the stadium these remain at the whoever sales or buys .you had no assets and that was the reason you could get no buyer and the fans had to ,because you used no loans on assets only on a huge wage budget .so us who understand have nothing to be afraid about ,the average skate not very bright are you .stop comparing us to your corrupt club
Que? Staplewood, while a magnificent asset, has cost you £30M which is double the budgeted cost. The "loan" you refer to must be the one from the VIBRAC Corporation of the Virgin Islands which is secured against your stadium. Repeat, St Mary's Stadium is mortgaged to the VIBRAC Corporation of the Virgin Islands. What part of that don't you understand?
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'? I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels. When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable. Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.[/p][/quote]I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention? He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season. What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe. We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues. Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders. STID COYR[/p][/quote]Yes I am a Skate WUM and by no means a friend of your Club, but today I am posting a message under a flag of truce. I agree with both of your analyses. You had a golden opportunity to break into the elite top few. The combination of players who have been with you since the League 1 days and have developed enough to hold their own in the Premier League and even be selected for England... plus the younger playres from the Academy coming through. This was a once in a generation opportunity, comparable to Blackburn's breakthrough on Jack Walker's money 20 years ago. And you have blown it. Katharina does not seem to understand the situation she was in at all. I agree with Seed's analysis of her lack of business acumen. I am genuinely mystified by the way she has mis-handled her father's inheritance. His engineering genius led to lucrative patents in fuel injection technology, now used worldwide... and her only interest seemed to be to employ Nicola to close down and liquidate his MALI companies. It is not even clear who now owns the intellectual property of those patents and their huge royalty income... if she wasn't interested she could have sold those companies as going concerns to major engineering conglomerates. But instead she liquidated them. And now her sole business focus seems to be on Southampton football club. If I were you I would be VERY afraid.[/p][/quote]but you seem to forget compared to your club nc set up a loan for staplewood for 40m which increases the value of the clubs assets and the stadium these remain at the whoever sales or buys .you had no assets and that was the reason you could get no buyer and the fans had to ,because you used no loans on assets only on a huge wage budget .so us who understand have nothing to be afraid about ,the average skate not very bright are you .stop comparing us to your corrupt club[/p][/quote]Que? Staplewood, while a magnificent asset, has cost you £30M which is double the budgeted cost. The "loan" you refer to must be the one from the VIBRAC Corporation of the Virgin Islands which is secured against your stadium. Repeat, St Mary's Stadium is mortgaged to the VIBRAC Corporation of the Virgin Islands. What part of that don't you understand? Skating on thin ice
  • Score: -2

8:42pm Wed 28 May 14

jls217 says...

Skating on thick as tish - You really are becoming, correction have long been a tiresome little thread worm. Every time you surface with the same tired old song which no-one gives a toss about except you and the mates in your head. you make someones esra itch. Congratulations richly deserved in one respect though - you haven't mention companies house, for that small mercy we are grateful.
Maybe you should submit your cv to our board - they may take you on to advise a billionairess on how to run her business(es). Stranger things have happened.
Skating on thick as tish - You really are becoming, correction have long been a tiresome little thread worm. Every time you surface with the same tired old song which no-one gives a toss about except you and the mates in your head. you make someones esra itch. Congratulations richly deserved in one respect though - you haven't mention companies house, for that small mercy we are grateful. Maybe you should submit your cv to our board - they may take you on to advise a billionairess on how to run her business(es). Stranger things have happened. jls217
  • Score: 4

8:45pm Wed 28 May 14

saintkenny says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
Skating on thin ice wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'?

I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels.

When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable.

Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.
I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention?

He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season.

What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe.
We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues.

Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders.

STID COYR
Yes I am a Skate WUM and by no means a friend of your Club, but today I am posting a message under a flag of truce.

I agree with both of your analyses. You had a golden opportunity to break into the elite top few. The combination of players who have been with you since the League 1 days and have developed enough to hold their own in the Premier League and even be selected for England... plus the younger playres from the Academy coming through. This was a once in a generation opportunity, comparable to Blackburn's breakthrough on Jack Walker's money 20 years ago. And you have blown it.

Katharina does not seem to understand the situation she was in at all.
I agree with Seed's analysis of her lack of business acumen. I am genuinely mystified by the way she has mis-handled her father's inheritance. His engineering genius led to lucrative patents in fuel injection technology, now used worldwide... and her only interest seemed to be to employ Nicola to close down and liquidate his MALI companies. It is not even clear who now owns the intellectual property of those patents and their huge royalty income... if she wasn't interested she could have sold those companies as going concerns to major engineering conglomerates. But instead she liquidated them. And now her sole business focus seems to be on Southampton football club. If I were you I would be VERY afraid.
but you seem to forget compared to your club nc set up a loan for staplewood for 40m which increases the value of the clubs assets and the stadium these remain at the whoever sales or buys .you had no assets and that was the reason you could get no buyer and the fans had to ,because you used no loans on assets only on a huge wage budget .so us who understand have nothing to be afraid about ,the average skate not very bright are you .stop comparing us to your corrupt club
Que? Staplewood, while a magnificent asset, has cost you £30M which is double the budgeted cost. The "loan" you refer to must be the one from the VIBRAC Corporation of the Virgin Islands which is secured against your stadium. Repeat, St Mary's Stadium is mortgaged to the VIBRAC Corporation of the Virgin Islands. What part of that don't you understand?
it is not .staplewood as 40 pitches state of the art fitness and advanced coaching for a top class academy tell me who is a better owner one who spends on assets or one that spends on a silly wage bill with a club with small support fan base 1992 to 1998 championship 1st division 8.000 average gate 14.000 below capacity do you understand that ?????
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'? I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels. When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable. Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.[/p][/quote]I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention? He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season. What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe. We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues. Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders. STID COYR[/p][/quote]Yes I am a Skate WUM and by no means a friend of your Club, but today I am posting a message under a flag of truce. I agree with both of your analyses. You had a golden opportunity to break into the elite top few. The combination of players who have been with you since the League 1 days and have developed enough to hold their own in the Premier League and even be selected for England... plus the younger playres from the Academy coming through. This was a once in a generation opportunity, comparable to Blackburn's breakthrough on Jack Walker's money 20 years ago. And you have blown it. Katharina does not seem to understand the situation she was in at all. I agree with Seed's analysis of her lack of business acumen. I am genuinely mystified by the way she has mis-handled her father's inheritance. His engineering genius led to lucrative patents in fuel injection technology, now used worldwide... and her only interest seemed to be to employ Nicola to close down and liquidate his MALI companies. It is not even clear who now owns the intellectual property of those patents and their huge royalty income... if she wasn't interested she could have sold those companies as going concerns to major engineering conglomerates. But instead she liquidated them. And now her sole business focus seems to be on Southampton football club. If I were you I would be VERY afraid.[/p][/quote]but you seem to forget compared to your club nc set up a loan for staplewood for 40m which increases the value of the clubs assets and the stadium these remain at the whoever sales or buys .you had no assets and that was the reason you could get no buyer and the fans had to ,because you used no loans on assets only on a huge wage budget .so us who understand have nothing to be afraid about ,the average skate not very bright are you .stop comparing us to your corrupt club[/p][/quote]Que? Staplewood, while a magnificent asset, has cost you £30M which is double the budgeted cost. The "loan" you refer to must be the one from the VIBRAC Corporation of the Virgin Islands which is secured against your stadium. Repeat, St Mary's Stadium is mortgaged to the VIBRAC Corporation of the Virgin Islands. What part of that don't you understand?[/p][/quote]it is not .staplewood as 40 pitches state of the art fitness and advanced coaching for a top class academy tell me who is a better owner one who spends on assets or one that spends on a silly wage bill with a club with small support fan base 1992 to 1998 championship 1st division 8.000 average gate 14.000 below capacity do you understand that ????? saintkenny
  • Score: 3

8:49pm Wed 28 May 14

jls217 says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
Skating on thin ice wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'?

I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels.

When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable.

Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.
I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention?

He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season.

What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe.
We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues.

Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders.

STID COYR
Yes I am a Skate WUM and by no means a friend of your Club, but today I am posting a message under a flag of truce.

I agree with both of your analyses. You had a golden opportunity to break into the elite top few. The combination of players who have been with you since the League 1 days and have developed enough to hold their own in the Premier League and even be selected for England... plus the younger playres from the Academy coming through. This was a once in a generation opportunity, comparable to Blackburn's breakthrough on Jack Walker's money 20 years ago. And you have blown it.

Katharina does not seem to understand the situation she was in at all.
I agree with Seed's analysis of her lack of business acumen. I am genuinely mystified by the way she has mis-handled her father's inheritance. His engineering genius led to lucrative patents in fuel injection technology, now used worldwide... and her only interest seemed to be to employ Nicola to close down and liquidate his MALI companies. It is not even clear who now owns the intellectual property of those patents and their huge royalty income... if she wasn't interested she could have sold those companies as going concerns to major engineering conglomerates. But instead she liquidated them. And now her sole business focus seems to be on Southampton football club. If I were you I would be VERY afraid.
but you seem to forget compared to your club nc set up a loan for staplewood for 40m which increases the value of the clubs assets and the stadium these remain at the whoever sales or buys .you had no assets and that was the reason you could get no buyer and the fans had to ,because you used no loans on assets only on a huge wage budget .so us who understand have nothing to be afraid about ,the average skate not very bright are you .stop comparing us to your corrupt club
Que? Staplewood, while a magnificent asset, has cost you £30M which is double the budgeted cost. The "loan" you refer to must be the one from the VIBRAC Corporation of the Virgin Islands which is secured against your stadium. Repeat, St Mary's Stadium is mortgaged to the VIBRAC Corporation of the Virgin Islands. What part of that don't you understand?
Maybe we don't give a toss. Maybe you're a mite dense, maybe you should go home and clean the bottom of the harbour - Now tell us what part of that don't you understand?
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'? I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels. When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable. Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.[/p][/quote]I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention? He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season. What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe. We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues. Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders. STID COYR[/p][/quote]Yes I am a Skate WUM and by no means a friend of your Club, but today I am posting a message under a flag of truce. I agree with both of your analyses. You had a golden opportunity to break into the elite top few. The combination of players who have been with you since the League 1 days and have developed enough to hold their own in the Premier League and even be selected for England... plus the younger playres from the Academy coming through. This was a once in a generation opportunity, comparable to Blackburn's breakthrough on Jack Walker's money 20 years ago. And you have blown it. Katharina does not seem to understand the situation she was in at all. I agree with Seed's analysis of her lack of business acumen. I am genuinely mystified by the way she has mis-handled her father's inheritance. His engineering genius led to lucrative patents in fuel injection technology, now used worldwide... and her only interest seemed to be to employ Nicola to close down and liquidate his MALI companies. It is not even clear who now owns the intellectual property of those patents and their huge royalty income... if she wasn't interested she could have sold those companies as going concerns to major engineering conglomerates. But instead she liquidated them. And now her sole business focus seems to be on Southampton football club. If I were you I would be VERY afraid.[/p][/quote]but you seem to forget compared to your club nc set up a loan for staplewood for 40m which increases the value of the clubs assets and the stadium these remain at the whoever sales or buys .you had no assets and that was the reason you could get no buyer and the fans had to ,because you used no loans on assets only on a huge wage budget .so us who understand have nothing to be afraid about ,the average skate not very bright are you .stop comparing us to your corrupt club[/p][/quote]Que? Staplewood, while a magnificent asset, has cost you £30M which is double the budgeted cost. The "loan" you refer to must be the one from the VIBRAC Corporation of the Virgin Islands which is secured against your stadium. Repeat, St Mary's Stadium is mortgaged to the VIBRAC Corporation of the Virgin Islands. What part of that don't you understand?[/p][/quote]Maybe we don't give a toss. Maybe you're a mite dense, maybe you should go home and clean the bottom of the harbour - Now tell us what part of that don't you understand? jls217
  • Score: 2

8:51pm Wed 28 May 14

Skating on thin ice says...

jls217 wrote:
Skating on thick as tish - You really are becoming, correction have long been a tiresome little thread worm. Every time you surface with the same tired old song which no-one gives a toss about except you and the mates in your head. you make someones esra itch. Congratulations richly deserved in one respect though - you haven't mention companies house, for that small mercy we are grateful.
Maybe you should submit your cv to our board - they may take you on to advise a billionairess on how to run her business(es). Stranger things have happened.
OF COURSE I HAVEN'T MENTIONED COMPANIES HOUSE BECAUSE THEY CLOSE AT 5.30pm AND DON'T OPEN AGAIN UNTIL 9.00am SO I HAVE HAD TO COME OUT INTO THE OPEN AIR AND AT THIS TIME OF YEAR IT IS STLL LIGHT. SO WHY DON'T YOU READ THE ACTUAL CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE I POSTED (which was under a flag of truce, a genuine attempt to engage in constructive dialogue, just for once) AND TRY TO THINK ABOUT IT AND THEN RESPOND TO THE REAL POINTS I HAVE MADE.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Skating on thick as tish - You really are becoming, correction have long been a tiresome little thread worm. Every time you surface with the same tired old song which no-one gives a toss about except you and the mates in your head. you make someones esra itch. Congratulations richly deserved in one respect though - you haven't mention companies house, for that small mercy we are grateful. Maybe you should submit your cv to our board - they may take you on to advise a billionairess on how to run her business(es). Stranger things have happened.[/p][/quote]OF COURSE I HAVEN'T MENTIONED COMPANIES HOUSE BECAUSE THEY CLOSE AT 5.30pm AND DON'T OPEN AGAIN UNTIL 9.00am SO I HAVE HAD TO COME OUT INTO THE OPEN AIR AND AT THIS TIME OF YEAR IT IS STLL LIGHT. SO WHY DON'T YOU READ THE ACTUAL CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE I POSTED (which was under a flag of truce, a genuine attempt to engage in constructive dialogue, just for once) AND TRY TO THINK ABOUT IT AND THEN RESPOND TO THE REAL POINTS I HAVE MADE. Skating on thin ice
  • Score: -4

9:02pm Wed 28 May 14

angus mc coatup says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'?

I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels.

When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable.

Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.
Agree with all of that Seed, but all the rumours around our players started just after he went. That drip, drip, of players moving, slowly increased as the season ended, and turned into a massive media frenzy at the finish. Then he gave that interview, why ? the timing, and the self back slapping was in my opinion designed to put the board in a poor light, basically saying they were worse than useless. Also I read to-day the Joe Lewis ( Spurs owner ) was getting fed up with Levy's revolving door policy, And also they have just spent a huge amount on a "state of the art" new academy....remind you of anything.
And he didn't rule out a move back to the prem at some stage, so him reappearing at Spurs would not surprise one bit.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'? I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels. When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable. Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.[/p][/quote]Agree with all of that Seed, but all the rumours around our players started just after he went. That drip, drip, of players moving, slowly increased as the season ended, and turned into a massive media frenzy at the finish. Then he gave that interview, why ? the timing, and the self back slapping was in my opinion designed to put the board in a poor light, basically saying they were worse than useless. Also I read to-day the Joe Lewis ( Spurs owner ) was getting fed up with Levy's revolving door policy, And also they have just spent a huge amount on a "state of the art" new academy....remind you of anything. And he didn't rule out a move back to the prem at some stage, so him reappearing at Spurs would not surprise one bit. angus mc coatup
  • Score: 1

9:03pm Wed 28 May 14

saintkenny says...

man utd owner passed away 85 years old r.i.p.and poyet signs new contract at sland rules him out thank god
man utd owner passed away 85 years old r.i.p.and poyet signs new contract at sland rules him out thank god saintkenny
  • Score: 2

10:58pm Wed 28 May 14

milton road says...

Not sure what this pompey geezer is on about.
Yes Saints have a debt of 19m which is paid back at 0.4 million a year. its one of the five best run clubs in the Premiership. It has 200 million worth of assets, with 115 million coming on top of that with over 80 million of that due now the season is over. Nearly every club in the Premiership has a debt posted, even the top ones and are paying back so much a year. Any debt has to be put against something whatever club you are. At the end of the day that is the stadium. I can appreciate to a small club like pompey 19 m is a massive debt . Yet in the context of those figures our debt is neglible compared to other clubs.
Staplewood would of been paid of monthly as construction was carried out over two years, from within the club budget. Which is normal business practice. I used to work in construction management, that is how it is done.
So don't get pulled into a load of nonsense.
Not sure what this pompey geezer is on about. Yes Saints have a debt of 19m which is paid back at 0.4 million a year. its one of the five best run clubs in the Premiership. It has 200 million worth of assets, with 115 million coming on top of that with over 80 million of that due now the season is over. Nearly every club in the Premiership has a debt posted, even the top ones and are paying back so much a year. Any debt has to be put against something whatever club you are. At the end of the day that is the stadium. I can appreciate to a small club like pompey 19 m is a massive debt . Yet in the context of those figures our debt is neglible compared to other clubs. Staplewood would of been paid of monthly as construction was carried out over two years, from within the club budget. Which is normal business practice. I used to work in construction management, that is how it is done. So don't get pulled into a load of nonsense. milton road
  • Score: 3

11:21pm Wed 28 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'?

I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels.

When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable.

Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.
Agree with all of that Seed, but all the rumours around our players started just after he went. That drip, drip, of players moving, slowly increased as the season ended, and turned into a massive media frenzy at the finish. Then he gave that interview, why ? the timing, and the self back slapping was in my opinion designed to put the board in a poor light, basically saying they were worse than useless. Also I read to-day the Joe Lewis ( Spurs owner ) was getting fed up with Levy's revolving door policy, And also they have just spent a huge amount on a "state of the art" new academy....remind you of anything.
And he didn't rule out a move back to the prem at some stage, so him reappearing at Spurs would not surprise one bit.
Nothing would surprise me in this mad world of football. Well the skates getting promoted to League 1 would, obviously.
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'? I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels. When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable. Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.[/p][/quote]Agree with all of that Seed, but all the rumours around our players started just after he went. That drip, drip, of players moving, slowly increased as the season ended, and turned into a massive media frenzy at the finish. Then he gave that interview, why ? the timing, and the self back slapping was in my opinion designed to put the board in a poor light, basically saying they were worse than useless. Also I read to-day the Joe Lewis ( Spurs owner ) was getting fed up with Levy's revolving door policy, And also they have just spent a huge amount on a "state of the art" new academy....remind you of anything. And he didn't rule out a move back to the prem at some stage, so him reappearing at Spurs would not surprise one bit.[/p][/quote]Nothing would surprise me in this mad world of football. Well the skates getting promoted to League 1 would, obviously. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

11:38pm Wed 28 May 14

jls217 says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Skating on thick as tish - You really are becoming, correction have long been a tiresome little thread worm. Every time you surface with the same tired old song which no-one gives a toss about except you and the mates in your head. you make someones esra itch. Congratulations richly deserved in one respect though - you haven't mention companies house, for that small mercy we are grateful.
Maybe you should submit your cv to our board - they may take you on to advise a billionairess on how to run her business(es). Stranger things have happened.
OF COURSE I HAVEN'T MENTIONED COMPANIES HOUSE BECAUSE THEY CLOSE AT 5.30pm AND DON'T OPEN AGAIN UNTIL 9.00am SO I HAVE HAD TO COME OUT INTO THE OPEN AIR AND AT THIS TIME OF YEAR IT IS STLL LIGHT. SO WHY DON'T YOU READ THE ACTUAL CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE I POSTED (which was under a flag of truce, a genuine attempt to engage in constructive dialogue, just for once) AND TRY TO THINK ABOUT IT AND THEN RESPOND TO THE REAL POINTS I HAVE MADE.
Get this straight **** for brains - You're a skate, a leper, a drop of smegma on a cockroaches knacker. There is no flag of truce for your kind and never will be. There can never be constructive dialogue. You are not wanted here go to the Brighton site - they'll love you and make you welcome there. The reason you don't have a response to your point is nobody gives a **** what you have to say. Finally get the picture and **** off.
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Skating on thick as tish - You really are becoming, correction have long been a tiresome little thread worm. Every time you surface with the same tired old song which no-one gives a toss about except you and the mates in your head. you make someones esra itch. Congratulations richly deserved in one respect though - you haven't mention companies house, for that small mercy we are grateful. Maybe you should submit your cv to our board - they may take you on to advise a billionairess on how to run her business(es). Stranger things have happened.[/p][/quote]OF COURSE I HAVEN'T MENTIONED COMPANIES HOUSE BECAUSE THEY CLOSE AT 5.30pm AND DON'T OPEN AGAIN UNTIL 9.00am SO I HAVE HAD TO COME OUT INTO THE OPEN AIR AND AT THIS TIME OF YEAR IT IS STLL LIGHT. SO WHY DON'T YOU READ THE ACTUAL CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE I POSTED (which was under a flag of truce, a genuine attempt to engage in constructive dialogue, just for once) AND TRY TO THINK ABOUT IT AND THEN RESPOND TO THE REAL POINTS I HAVE MADE.[/p][/quote]Get this straight **** for brains - You're a skate, a leper, a drop of smegma on a cockroaches knacker. There is no flag of truce for your kind and never will be. There can never be constructive dialogue. You are not wanted here go to the Brighton site - they'll love you and make you welcome there. The reason you don't have a response to your point is nobody gives a **** what you have to say. Finally get the picture and **** off. jls217
  • Score: 2

12:15am Thu 29 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

jls217 wrote:
Skating on thin ice wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Skating on thick as tish - You really are becoming, correction have long been a tiresome little thread worm. Every time you surface with the same tired old song which no-one gives a toss about except you and the mates in your head. you make someones esra itch. Congratulations richly deserved in one respect though - you haven't mention companies house, for that small mercy we are grateful.
Maybe you should submit your cv to our board - they may take you on to advise a billionairess on how to run her business(es). Stranger things have happened.
OF COURSE I HAVEN'T MENTIONED COMPANIES HOUSE BECAUSE THEY CLOSE AT 5.30pm AND DON'T OPEN AGAIN UNTIL 9.00am SO I HAVE HAD TO COME OUT INTO THE OPEN AIR AND AT THIS TIME OF YEAR IT IS STLL LIGHT. SO WHY DON'T YOU READ THE ACTUAL CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE I POSTED (which was under a flag of truce, a genuine attempt to engage in constructive dialogue, just for once) AND TRY TO THINK ABOUT IT AND THEN RESPOND TO THE REAL POINTS I HAVE MADE.
Get this straight **** for brains - You're a skate, a leper, a drop of smegma on a cockroaches knacker. There is no flag of truce for your kind and never will be. There can never be constructive dialogue. You are not wanted here go to the Brighton site - they'll love you and make you welcome there. The reason you don't have a response to your point is nobody gives a **** what you have to say. Finally get the picture and **** off.
Very eloquently put. I particularly enjoyed the cockroaches knacker bit although that was not the only highlight.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Skating on thick as tish - You really are becoming, correction have long been a tiresome little thread worm. Every time you surface with the same tired old song which no-one gives a toss about except you and the mates in your head. you make someones esra itch. Congratulations richly deserved in one respect though - you haven't mention companies house, for that small mercy we are grateful. Maybe you should submit your cv to our board - they may take you on to advise a billionairess on how to run her business(es). Stranger things have happened.[/p][/quote]OF COURSE I HAVEN'T MENTIONED COMPANIES HOUSE BECAUSE THEY CLOSE AT 5.30pm AND DON'T OPEN AGAIN UNTIL 9.00am SO I HAVE HAD TO COME OUT INTO THE OPEN AIR AND AT THIS TIME OF YEAR IT IS STLL LIGHT. SO WHY DON'T YOU READ THE ACTUAL CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE I POSTED (which was under a flag of truce, a genuine attempt to engage in constructive dialogue, just for once) AND TRY TO THINK ABOUT IT AND THEN RESPOND TO THE REAL POINTS I HAVE MADE.[/p][/quote]Get this straight **** for brains - You're a skate, a leper, a drop of smegma on a cockroaches knacker. There is no flag of truce for your kind and never will be. There can never be constructive dialogue. You are not wanted here go to the Brighton site - they'll love you and make you welcome there. The reason you don't have a response to your point is nobody gives a **** what you have to say. Finally get the picture and **** off.[/p][/quote]Very eloquently put. I particularly enjoyed the cockroaches knacker bit although that was not the only highlight. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

12:28am Thu 29 May 14

SaintSteve76 says...

Personally I would love to see David Moyes. Ok he failed at Man U but at Preston and Everton he was a huge success. When he took over at Everton they were a relegation threatened team.
Personally I would love to see David Moyes. Ok he failed at Man U but at Preston and Everton he was a huge success. When he took over at Everton they were a relegation threatened team. SaintSteve76
  • Score: 0

1:31am Thu 29 May 14

Wozzie says...

In my opinion we had a more talented squad than Tottenham last season yet managed to finish two places below them. We lost many wins in games where we dominated. MoPo is a good up and coming manager he will not last a season at Tottenham not ready for that expectation and pressure yet. We are a plum job for many talented managers. Spurs have stolen unwisely!
In my opinion we had a more talented squad than Tottenham last season yet managed to finish two places below them. We lost many wins in games where we dominated. MoPo is a good up and coming manager he will not last a season at Tottenham not ready for that expectation and pressure yet. We are a plum job for many talented managers. Spurs have stolen unwisely! Wozzie
  • Score: 0

1:50am Thu 29 May 14

FindAndDestroy says...

We still don't know WHY he left.....

I think we deserve to know the truth...did he want out? or the board let him go?

What quality are you talking about?......you let a quality manager go?

She forced Cortese out then sacked academy coaches Jason Dodd and Paul Williams?

Something is going on here.....i av got a bad feeling about this...

The next thing we are going to hear our top players will be up for sale....and finally sale the club.. then disappears...

WE WANT A STATEMENT.......WHIC
H DIRECTION ARE YOU TAKING SAINTS?
We still don't know WHY he left..... I think we deserve to know the truth...did he want out? or the board let him go? What quality are you talking about?......you let a quality manager go? She forced Cortese out then sacked academy coaches Jason Dodd and Paul Williams? Something is going on here.....i av got a bad feeling about this... The next thing we are going to hear our top players will be up for sale....and finally sale the club.. then disappears... WE WANT A STATEMENT.......WHIC H DIRECTION ARE YOU TAKING SAINTS? FindAndDestroy
  • Score: -2

1:50am Thu 29 May 14

FindAndDestroy says...

We still don't know WHY he left.....

I think we deserve to know the truth...did he want out? or the board let him go?

What quality are you talking about?......you let a quality manager go?

She forced Cortese out then sacked academy coaches Jason Dodd and Paul Williams?

Something is going on here.....i av got a bad feeling about this...

The next thing we are going to hear our top players will be up for sale....and finally sale the club.. then disappears...

WE WANT A STATEMENT.......WHIC
H DIRECTION ARE YOU TAKING SAINTS?
We still don't know WHY he left..... I think we deserve to know the truth...did he want out? or the board let him go? What quality are you talking about?......you let a quality manager go? She forced Cortese out then sacked academy coaches Jason Dodd and Paul Williams? Something is going on here.....i av got a bad feeling about this... The next thing we are going to hear our top players will be up for sale....and finally sale the club.. then disappears... WE WANT A STATEMENT.......WHIC H DIRECTION ARE YOU TAKING SAINTS? FindAndDestroy
  • Score: -1

1:50am Thu 29 May 14

FindAndDestroy says...

We still don't know WHY he left.....

I think we deserve to know the truth...did he want out? or the board let him go?

What quality are you talking about?......you let a quality manager go?

She forced Cortese out then sacked academy coaches Jason Dodd and Paul Williams?

Something is going on here.....i av got a bad feeling about this...

The next thing we are going to hear our top players will be up for sale....and finally sale the club.. then disappears...

WE WANT A STATEMENT.......WHIC
H DIRECTION ARE YOU TAKING SAINTS?
We still don't know WHY he left..... I think we deserve to know the truth...did he want out? or the board let him go? What quality are you talking about?......you let a quality manager go? She forced Cortese out then sacked academy coaches Jason Dodd and Paul Williams? Something is going on here.....i av got a bad feeling about this... The next thing we are going to hear our top players will be up for sale....and finally sale the club.. then disappears... WE WANT A STATEMENT.......WHIC H DIRECTION ARE YOU TAKING SAINTS? FindAndDestroy
  • Score: -1

2:44am Thu 29 May 14

DisplacedFan says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Skating on thin ice wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Skating on thick as tish - You really are becoming, correction have long been a tiresome little thread worm. Every time you surface with the same tired old song which no-one gives a toss about except you and the mates in your head. you make someones esra itch. Congratulations richly deserved in one respect though - you haven't mention companies house, for that small mercy we are grateful.
Maybe you should submit your cv to our board - they may take you on to advise a billionairess on how to run her business(es). Stranger things have happened.
OF COURSE I HAVEN'T MENTIONED COMPANIES HOUSE BECAUSE THEY CLOSE AT 5.30pm AND DON'T OPEN AGAIN UNTIL 9.00am SO I HAVE HAD TO COME OUT INTO THE OPEN AIR AND AT THIS TIME OF YEAR IT IS STLL LIGHT. SO WHY DON'T YOU READ THE ACTUAL CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE I POSTED (which was under a flag of truce, a genuine attempt to engage in constructive dialogue, just for once) AND TRY TO THINK ABOUT IT AND THEN RESPOND TO THE REAL POINTS I HAVE MADE.
Get this straight **** for brains - You're a skate, a leper, a drop of smegma on a cockroaches knacker. There is no flag of truce for your kind and never will be. There can never be constructive dialogue. You are not wanted here go to the Brighton site - they'll love you and make you welcome there. The reason you don't have a response to your point is nobody gives a **** what you have to say. Finally get the picture and **** off.
Very eloquently put. I particularly enjoyed the cockroaches knacker bit although that was not the only highlight.
I almost choked on a burrito when I read that. Hilarious.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Skating on thick as tish - You really are becoming, correction have long been a tiresome little thread worm. Every time you surface with the same tired old song which no-one gives a toss about except you and the mates in your head. you make someones esra itch. Congratulations richly deserved in one respect though - you haven't mention companies house, for that small mercy we are grateful. Maybe you should submit your cv to our board - they may take you on to advise a billionairess on how to run her business(es). Stranger things have happened.[/p][/quote]OF COURSE I HAVEN'T MENTIONED COMPANIES HOUSE BECAUSE THEY CLOSE AT 5.30pm AND DON'T OPEN AGAIN UNTIL 9.00am SO I HAVE HAD TO COME OUT INTO THE OPEN AIR AND AT THIS TIME OF YEAR IT IS STLL LIGHT. SO WHY DON'T YOU READ THE ACTUAL CONTENT OF THE MESSAGE I POSTED (which was under a flag of truce, a genuine attempt to engage in constructive dialogue, just for once) AND TRY TO THINK ABOUT IT AND THEN RESPOND TO THE REAL POINTS I HAVE MADE.[/p][/quote]Get this straight **** for brains - You're a skate, a leper, a drop of smegma on a cockroaches knacker. There is no flag of truce for your kind and never will be. There can never be constructive dialogue. You are not wanted here go to the Brighton site - they'll love you and make you welcome there. The reason you don't have a response to your point is nobody gives a **** what you have to say. Finally get the picture and **** off.[/p][/quote]Very eloquently put. I particularly enjoyed the cockroaches knacker bit although that was not the only highlight.[/p][/quote]I almost choked on a burrito when I read that. Hilarious. DisplacedFan
  • Score: 0

2:45am Thu 29 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
Skating on thin ice wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'?

I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels.

When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable.

Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.
I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention?

He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season.

What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe.
We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues.

Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders.

STID COYR
Yes I am a Skate WUM and by no means a friend of your Club, but today I am posting a message under a flag of truce.

I agree with both of your analyses. You had a golden opportunity to break into the elite top few. The combination of players who have been with you since the League 1 days and have developed enough to hold their own in the Premier League and even be selected for England... plus the younger playres from the Academy coming through. This was a once in a generation opportunity, comparable to Blackburn's breakthrough on Jack Walker's money 20 years ago. And you have blown it.

Katharina does not seem to understand the situation she was in at all.
I agree with Seed's analysis of her lack of business acumen. I am genuinely mystified by the way she has mis-handled her father's inheritance. His engineering genius led to lucrative patents in fuel injection technology, now used worldwide... and her only interest seemed to be to employ Nicola to close down and liquidate his MALI companies. It is not even clear who now owns the intellectual property of those patents and their huge royalty income... if she wasn't interested she could have sold those companies as going concerns to major engineering conglomerates. But instead she liquidated them. And now her sole business focus seems to be on Southampton football club. If I were you I would be VERY afraid.
but you seem to forget compared to your club nc set up a loan for staplewood for 40m which increases the value of the clubs assets and the stadium these remain at the whoever sales or buys .you had no assets and that was the reason you could get no buyer and the fans had to ,because you used no loans on assets only on a huge wage budget .so us who understand have nothing to be afraid about ,the average skate not very bright are you .stop comparing us to your corrupt club
Que? Staplewood, while a magnificent asset, has cost you £30M which is double the budgeted cost. The "loan" you refer to must be the one from the VIBRAC Corporation of the Virgin Islands which is secured against your stadium. Repeat, St Mary's Stadium is mortgaged to the VIBRAC Corporation of the Virgin Islands. What part of that don't you understand?
yet again skating your lack of real knowledge and understanding of facts is evident!
staplewood which houses a world class training facility and one of the best, if not the best academies in the world was not `double the budgeted cost`, the total of £30mill included both phase 1 and phase 2 of the project. there was also a significant unforeseen increase in the budget due to the original plan of building onto the existing indoor `dome` training ground had to be scraped and the dome had to be taken down. this incurred extra Architects and contractors fees, there was then a need to build a new `dome`, The inflatable Covair dome will be recessed into the ground and will thus rise only about 33ft above the surrounding land. so again this increased the overall cost, as did adding extra training pitches on extra land acquired for them. the project did go over budget, as do most major projects, but not by double. oh and don't forget the extra cost incurred by having to fumigate the entire site after to fish thought of a new and really not that cleaver way of losing their jobs!
Your right KL did take out a loan in the virgin islands, A £5.6m loan was taken out with Vibrac in September 2012 to enable the Club to take advantage of a lower transfer instalment payment by paying earlier, and so reduce overall cash outflows and liabilities. makes perfect sense wouldn't you say? I know you support a club that does all it can to not pay its debts, have you paid agent channers for nottarf yet?, but our club see opportunities to pay quicker and less. sms is a UEFA 4-star rated stadium and if built today it would cost over £100mill, do think a loan of just £5.6mill is in fact a `mortgage` on a property of such value? you are the nly person to call this loan a mortgage anywhere, are you a financial wiz kid with a vast knowledge of business financial structure, or are you just a keyboard warrior with a grudge and intense jealousy issues? I know which one I think!

OF COURSE I HAVEN'T MENTIONED COMPANIES HOUSE BECAUSE THEY CLOSE AT 5.30pm AND DON'T OPEN AGAIN UNTIL 9.00am
so does the website that you have done all your `research` on close as well then?
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Did Markus say to Cortese 'find me a football club' or did Cortese say to Markus 'I've got a great plan that I'd like to put to you for you to consider investing in'? I don't know but I'd happily bet on the 2nd one being right. Cortese was the man with a plan, he was single minded and drove this club in the direction he wanted to go very hard. Anyone who got in his way or wasn't up to scratch got run over, no sentiment no respect for the history be it Le Tiss or stripey shirts, he was single minded. He had a vision and he sold that to his managers, players and fans. He was obsessive with details like 11 training pitches replicating every type of grass encountered in the Prem and players individual matresses going ahead to hotels. When Cortese left retaining MoPo became critical because otherwise there would be zero continuity with the original vision. One by one, starting with Rickie, the players came out and stated how important MoPo was and how we needed a few more players to compete effectively. I think in the end six players were quoted on these pages. It looked orchestrated to me. That was the clubs moment to act that was the opportunity to keep our manager and players by reaffirming our ambitions. The new board was unwilling or unable to do this and I think the consequences are now inevitable. Hopefully I am wrong but if the meltdown I fear does occur we will have missed the greatest opportunity we, or indeed any other club, has had in recent times to break into the elite few. The vision will melt away and we will return to the club we were a decade ago.[/p][/quote]I agree with you 100%. Two things went wrong for Cortese, Markus died and KL didn't want to carry on in the same way as her father. Her money, her choice. So Cortese went. Then MOPO went. Now we have a more conventional business management set up, no team manager and no coaching staff. I thought from a fan/supporter's POV Cortese was great. But if it was my money would I employ a Cortese. Probably not. Would Cortese do it with his own money. My guess is no. If it was your money would you stand back and let someone have the freedom Cortese had without having very much control or intervention? He was great for us but it was a very unusual way for an investor to run a business, especially in the unusual business of football. Way outside the square. Now we are back to more conventional methods. There is bound to be a dip, but we can bounce back, if we employ the right manager and coaching staff quickly. Although next season we may have to go backwards to go forwards the following season. What we need is continuity, continuity of ownership and continuity in our management team. Long term successful clubs have that in their DNA at any level. Sunday morning division 6 and upwards to Champions of Europe. We do not fit that profile and we need to, sadly our ownership and management team change too much. We need evolution not one revolution after another. That will only end in tears again if it continues. Long may the emotional shareholders of SFC live and support their club regardless of the behaviour of the financial shareholders. STID COYR[/p][/quote]Yes I am a Skate WUM and by no means a friend of your Club, but today I am posting a message under a flag of truce. I agree with both of your analyses. You had a golden opportunity to break into the elite top few. The combination of players who have been with you since the League 1 days and have developed enough to hold their own in the Premier League and even be selected for England... plus the younger playres from the Academy coming through. This was a once in a generation opportunity, comparable to Blackburn's breakthrough on Jack Walker's money 20 years ago. And you have blown it. Katharina does not seem to understand the situation she was in at all. I agree with Seed's analysis of her lack of business acumen. I am genuinely mystified by the way she has mis-handled her father's inheritance. His engineering genius led to lucrative patents in fuel injection technology, now used worldwide... and her only interest seemed to be to employ Nicola to close down and liquidate his MALI companies. It is not even clear who now owns the intellectual property of those patents and their huge royalty income... if she wasn't interested she could have sold those companies as going concerns to major engineering conglomerates. But instead she liquidated them. And now her sole business focus seems to be on Southampton football club. If I were you I would be VERY afraid.[/p][/quote]but you seem to forget compared to your club nc set up a loan for staplewood for 40m which increases the value of the clubs assets and the stadium these remain at the whoever sales or buys .you had no assets and that was the reason you could get no buyer and the fans had to ,because you used no loans on assets only on a huge wage budget .so us who understand have nothing to be afraid about ,the average skate not very bright are you .stop comparing us to your corrupt club[/p][/quote]Que? Staplewood, while a magnificent asset, has cost you £30M which is double the budgeted cost. The "loan" you refer to must be the one from the VIBRAC Corporation of the Virgin Islands which is secured against your stadium. Repeat, St Mary's Stadium is mortgaged to the VIBRAC Corporation of the Virgin Islands. What part of that don't you understand?[/p][/quote]yet again skating your lack of real knowledge and understanding of facts is evident! staplewood which houses a world class training facility and one of the best, if not the best academies in the world was not `double the budgeted cost`, the total of £30mill included both phase 1 and phase 2 of the project. there was also a significant unforeseen increase in the budget due to the original plan of building onto the existing indoor `dome` training ground had to be scraped and the dome had to be taken down. this incurred extra Architects and contractors fees, there was then a need to build a new `dome`, The inflatable Covair dome will be recessed into the ground and will thus rise only about 33ft above the surrounding land. so again this increased the overall cost, as did adding extra training pitches on extra land acquired for them. the project did go over budget, as do most major projects, but not by double. oh and don't forget the extra cost incurred by having to fumigate the entire site after to fish thought of a new and really not that cleaver way of losing their jobs! Your right KL did take out a loan in the virgin islands, A £5.6m loan was taken out with Vibrac in September 2012 to enable the Club to take advantage of a lower transfer instalment payment by paying earlier, and so reduce overall cash outflows and liabilities. makes perfect sense wouldn't you say? I know you support a club that does all it can to not pay its debts, have you paid agent channers for nottarf yet?, but our club see opportunities to pay quicker and less. sms is a UEFA 4-star rated stadium and if built today it would cost over £100mill, do think a loan of just £5.6mill is in fact a `mortgage` on a property of such value? you are the nly person to call this loan a mortgage anywhere, are you a financial wiz kid with a vast knowledge of business financial structure, or are you just a keyboard warrior with a grudge and intense jealousy issues? I know which one I think! OF COURSE I HAVEN'T MENTIONED COMPANIES HOUSE BECAUSE THEY CLOSE AT 5.30pm AND DON'T OPEN AGAIN UNTIL 9.00am so does the website that you have done all your `research` on close as well then? el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

6:16am Thu 29 May 14

milton road says...

Accounts for the year to 30 June 2013

Ownership: Owned by Katharina Liebherr, resident in Switzerland, via undisclosed company structure.

Turnover: 14th in league, £72m (up from £23m in 2012)

Matchday: £17m

Premier League and broadcasting: £47m

Commercial activities: £7m

Other income: £1m

Wage bill: 18th in league, £47m (up from £29m in 2012)

Wages as proportion of turnover: 65%

Loss before tax: £7m (following £12m loss in previous year)

Net debt: £19m

Interest payable: £0.6m

Highest paid director: £2.129m paid to Nicola Cortese.

The stand-out figure in these unsurprisingly sensible-looking accounts is the £2.129m salary paid to the parent company's sole director, Nicola Cortese. In a sport marked by vast sums paid to chief executives, this was the highest in 2012-13. Cortese, unhappy with some plans of Saints' owner Katharina Liebherr, resigned in January despite reportedly being offered a further huge salary. Liebherr, whose father, Markus, invested in Saints' rebuilding, has since populated the board, including appointing the Canada ice hockey coach, Ralph Kreuger, as chairman. He has promised to maintain "the Southampton way" of running the club sustainably, and said Liebherr is not planning to sell.

(from the Gaurdian and its breakdown of the financial state of every Premier league club after the accounts for the past financial year. Which is the up to date information as released for the above year.
Accounts for the year to 30 June 2013 Ownership: Owned by Katharina Liebherr, resident in Switzerland, via undisclosed company structure. Turnover: 14th in league, £72m (up from £23m in 2012) Matchday: £17m Premier League and broadcasting: £47m Commercial activities: £7m Other income: £1m Wage bill: 18th in league, £47m (up from £29m in 2012) Wages as proportion of turnover: 65% Loss before tax: £7m (following £12m loss in previous year) Net debt: £19m Interest payable: £0.6m Highest paid director: £2.129m paid to Nicola Cortese. The stand-out figure in these unsurprisingly sensible-looking accounts is the £2.129m salary paid to the parent company's sole director, Nicola Cortese. In a sport marked by vast sums paid to chief executives, this was the highest in 2012-13. Cortese, unhappy with some plans of Saints' owner Katharina Liebherr, resigned in January despite reportedly being offered a further huge salary. Liebherr, whose father, Markus, invested in Saints' rebuilding, has since populated the board, including appointing the Canada ice hockey coach, Ralph Kreuger, as chairman. He has promised to maintain "the Southampton way" of running the club sustainably, and said Liebherr is not planning to sell. (from the Gaurdian and its breakdown of the financial state of every Premier league club after the accounts for the past financial year. Which is the up to date information as released for the above year. milton road
  • Score: 0

8:36am Thu 29 May 14

bluewhiteandred says...

milton road wrote:
Accounts for the year to 30 June 2013

Ownership: Owned by Katharina Liebherr, resident in Switzerland, via undisclosed company structure.

Turnover: 14th in league, £72m (up from £23m in 2012)

Matchday: £17m

Premier League and broadcasting: £47m

Commercial activities: £7m

Other income: £1m

Wage bill: 18th in league, £47m (up from £29m in 2012)

Wages as proportion of turnover: 65%

Loss before tax: £7m (following £12m loss in previous year)

Net debt: £19m

Interest payable: £0.6m

Highest paid director: £2.129m paid to Nicola Cortese.

The stand-out figure in these unsurprisingly sensible-looking accounts is the £2.129m salary paid to the parent company's sole director, Nicola Cortese. In a sport marked by vast sums paid to chief executives, this was the highest in 2012-13. Cortese, unhappy with some plans of Saints' owner Katharina Liebherr, resigned in January despite reportedly being offered a further huge salary. Liebherr, whose father, Markus, invested in Saints' rebuilding, has since populated the board, including appointing the Canada ice hockey coach, Ralph Kreuger, as chairman. He has promised to maintain "the Southampton way" of running the club sustainably, and said Liebherr is not planning to sell.

(from the Gaurdian and its breakdown of the financial state of every Premier league club after the accounts for the past financial year. Which is the up to date information as released for the above year.
When Pompey was in Debt the manager went then the players and the Huge debts appeared and Saints board have not managed to stop the successful set up decline to mediocre with Cortesse leaving first could they not afford his plan to make the club raise its game in the football world perhaps the rise in status was to quick to soon ! and kathrina LeIbherr not interested in football l?
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Accounts for the year to 30 June 2013 Ownership: Owned by Katharina Liebherr, resident in Switzerland, via undisclosed company structure. Turnover: 14th in league, £72m (up from £23m in 2012) Matchday: £17m Premier League and broadcasting: £47m Commercial activities: £7m Other income: £1m Wage bill: 18th in league, £47m (up from £29m in 2012) Wages as proportion of turnover: 65% Loss before tax: £7m (following £12m loss in previous year) Net debt: £19m Interest payable: £0.6m Highest paid director: £2.129m paid to Nicola Cortese. The stand-out figure in these unsurprisingly sensible-looking accounts is the £2.129m salary paid to the parent company's sole director, Nicola Cortese. In a sport marked by vast sums paid to chief executives, this was the highest in 2012-13. Cortese, unhappy with some plans of Saints' owner Katharina Liebherr, resigned in January despite reportedly being offered a further huge salary. Liebherr, whose father, Markus, invested in Saints' rebuilding, has since populated the board, including appointing the Canada ice hockey coach, Ralph Kreuger, as chairman. He has promised to maintain "the Southampton way" of running the club sustainably, and said Liebherr is not planning to sell. (from the Gaurdian and its breakdown of the financial state of every Premier league club after the accounts for the past financial year. Which is the up to date information as released for the above year.[/p][/quote]When Pompey was in Debt the manager went then the players and the Huge debts appeared and Saints board have not managed to stop the successful set up decline to mediocre with Cortesse leaving first could they not afford his plan to make the club raise its game in the football world perhaps the rise in status was to quick to soon ! and kathrina LeIbherr not interested in football l? bluewhiteandred
  • Score: -4

9:10am Thu 29 May 14

Alicesdad says...

Wanyama is right. But lets not start jumping off the tall buildings, get a grip.

It was also a big blow when Adkins was removed. He had created the sense of team brotherhood and cameraderie that continues. That brotherhood is about to be tested more severely than ever before as some of them may be leaving. Those who were in League one become a smaller percentage as time passes .. from League 1 days we are now left with Lambert, Lallana, Schneiderlin... from the Championship days you can include Fonte, J-Rod .. from the academy there is a stream of quality that continues to bloom.

So you can see that as the team evolves, the squad evolves and we will move forward. It is a blow that MoPo has gone.... we will get over it.
Wanyama is right. But lets not start jumping off the tall buildings, get a grip. It was also a big blow when Adkins was removed. He had created the sense of team brotherhood and cameraderie that continues. That brotherhood is about to be tested more severely than ever before as some of them may be leaving. Those who were in League one become a smaller percentage as time passes .. from League 1 days we are now left with Lambert, Lallana, Schneiderlin... from the Championship days you can include Fonte, J-Rod .. from the academy there is a stream of quality that continues to bloom. So you can see that as the team evolves, the squad evolves and we will move forward. It is a blow that MoPo has gone.... we will get over it. Alicesdad
  • Score: 0

10:53am Thu 29 May 14

Saintjock says...

bluewhiteandred wrote:
milton road wrote: Accounts for the year to 30 June 2013 Ownership: Owned by Katharina Liebherr, resident in Switzerland, via undisclosed company structure. Turnover: 14th in league, £72m (up from £23m in 2012) Matchday: £17m Premier League and broadcasting: £47m Commercial activities: £7m Other income: £1m Wage bill: 18th in league, £47m (up from £29m in 2012) Wages as proportion of turnover: 65% Loss before tax: £7m (following £12m loss in previous year) Net debt: £19m Interest payable: £0.6m Highest paid director: £2.129m paid to Nicola Cortese. The stand-out figure in these unsurprisingly sensible-looking accounts is the £2.129m salary paid to the parent company's sole director, Nicola Cortese. In a sport marked by vast sums paid to chief executives, this was the highest in 2012-13. Cortese, unhappy with some plans of Saints' owner Katharina Liebherr, resigned in January despite reportedly being offered a further huge salary. Liebherr, whose father, Markus, invested in Saints' rebuilding, has since populated the board, including appointing the Canada ice hockey coach, Ralph Kreuger, as chairman. He has promised to maintain "the Southampton way" of running the club sustainably, and said Liebherr is not planning to sell. (from the Gaurdian and its breakdown of the financial state of every Premier league club after the accounts for the past financial year. Which is the up to date information as released for the above year.
When Pompey was in Debt the manager went then the players and the Huge debts appeared and Saints board have not managed to stop the successful set up decline to mediocre with Cortesse leaving first could they not afford his plan to make the club raise its game in the football world perhaps the rise in status was to quick to soon ! and kathrina LeIbherr not interested in football l?
Chalk and cheese. Pompey's debts accumulated throughout Redknapp's reign and only peaked after he left because of the eye-popping profligacy and mismanagement he fostered in the board and Peter Storey much earlier - just like at West Ham in the 90s.There is no comparison to the debt/assets ratio Saints have now, with the stadium, world leading infrastructure and value of the players, both in the first team and academy.

Keep stabbing that doll with pins though, but be careful. Saints' rise is inevitable and unstoppable I'm afraid. And don't be envious. The envious die not once but each time the envied are cheered. Mourning will continue on the east end of the M27 only I'm afraid. It is better - and a sign of our unprecedented success - to be envied and solicited as Saints are, than ridiculed and universally loathed for being greedy, incompetent and ripping off charities, businesses and taxpayers. WTFI (still)LN?
[quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Accounts for the year to 30 June 2013 Ownership: Owned by Katharina Liebherr, resident in Switzerland, via undisclosed company structure. Turnover: 14th in league, £72m (up from £23m in 2012) Matchday: £17m Premier League and broadcasting: £47m Commercial activities: £7m Other income: £1m Wage bill: 18th in league, £47m (up from £29m in 2012) Wages as proportion of turnover: 65% Loss before tax: £7m (following £12m loss in previous year) Net debt: £19m Interest payable: £0.6m Highest paid director: £2.129m paid to Nicola Cortese. The stand-out figure in these unsurprisingly sensible-looking accounts is the £2.129m salary paid to the parent company's sole director, Nicola Cortese. In a sport marked by vast sums paid to chief executives, this was the highest in 2012-13. Cortese, unhappy with some plans of Saints' owner Katharina Liebherr, resigned in January despite reportedly being offered a further huge salary. Liebherr, whose father, Markus, invested in Saints' rebuilding, has since populated the board, including appointing the Canada ice hockey coach, Ralph Kreuger, as chairman. He has promised to maintain "the Southampton way" of running the club sustainably, and said Liebherr is not planning to sell. (from the Gaurdian and its breakdown of the financial state of every Premier league club after the accounts for the past financial year. Which is the up to date information as released for the above year.[/p][/quote]When Pompey was in Debt the manager went then the players and the Huge debts appeared and Saints board have not managed to stop the successful set up decline to mediocre with Cortesse leaving first could they not afford his plan to make the club raise its game in the football world perhaps the rise in status was to quick to soon ! and kathrina LeIbherr not interested in football l?[/p][/quote]Chalk and cheese. Pompey's debts accumulated throughout Redknapp's reign and only peaked after he left because of the eye-popping profligacy and mismanagement he fostered in the board and Peter Storey much earlier - just like at West Ham in the 90s.There is no comparison to the debt/assets ratio Saints have now, with the stadium, world leading infrastructure and value of the players, both in the first team and academy. Keep stabbing that doll with pins though, but be careful. Saints' rise is inevitable and unstoppable I'm afraid. And don't be envious. The envious die not once but each time the envied are cheered. Mourning will continue on the east end of the M27 only I'm afraid. It is better - and a sign of our unprecedented success - to be envied and solicited as Saints are, than ridiculed and universally loathed for being greedy, incompetent and ripping off charities, businesses and taxpayers. WTFI (still)LN? Saintjock
  • Score: 3

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