COMMENT: Life with big boys comes at a cost

Basingstoke Gazette: Saints spent £12m on Gaston Ramirez in 2012 Saints spent £12m on Gaston Ramirez in 2012

What an interesting set of accounts Saints have today published, one that draws a line under the time of Nicola Cortese and presents a fascinating picture of life at St Mary’s.

On the one hand there is the overwhelmingly positive – the former executive chairman led Saints to the top flight with drive and single minded ambition.

As a result Saints saw turnover increase by 213 per cent in the blink of an eye, with broadcast income going up by over £40m.

This is dining with the big boys and it’s exactly where Saints want to be.

Cortese helped deliver much of that success, and deserves praise for his part in it.

However, the comments by Hans Hofstetter also tell a tale.

He descirbes the financial situation the new board have inherited as “difficult.” He also says they will avoid a repeat performance.

The figures are for the period of 2012/13, but we have been brought fully up to speed on major spending.

That seems to be where the concern lies.

The Staplewood project will now come in at £30m. That is about double what was expected, and there will be many questioning just whether the club needs such an expensive training base.

It is clearly an investment for the future, but that surely cannot come at any cost.

This season the team have been operating out of temporary accommodation, and by general consensus have done very well.

Then there is the transfer spending.

Since Saints have won promotion they have invested heavily.

They spent over £30m on the likes of Gaston Ramirez, Jay Rodriguez, Emmanuel Mayuka, Nathaniel Clyne, Paulo Gazzaniga, Steven Davis and Maya Yoshida before starting their Premier League campaign in 2012/13. Artur Boruc and Vegard Forren were later added.

Last summer there were fewer players brought in, but they were expensive, with Dani Osvaldo, Victor Wanyama and Dejan Lovren costing more than £30m between them.

Of course, squad investment is necessary, vital even, to make the step up.

But again, at what level is sensible will be asked?

Saints owe £27m still in transfer fees with £22m to be coughed up in 2014/15 alone, inevitably causing some concern as to what impact it will have on future spending should Mauricio Pochettino wish to strengthen in the summer.

Thankfully Saints still have the backing of Katahrina Liebherr, and for many that will really be all that matters. Well, that and Premier League football for another season.

With Cortese now departed the new board now have a chance to stamp their own mark on things and, if they see problems or revenue streams untapped, it’s their time to prove what they can deliver.

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8:09am Mon 31 Mar 14

SwedeSaint says...

In the summer, at the least, Ramirez and Osvaldo will go - there's the bulk of the transfer debt taken care of. We'll then have the increased TV cash, add this to increased off field revenue streams and continued capacity crowds on match days, and all looks good.
The comments are a veiled swipe at Cortese, who in my opinion did a fantastic job to put us where we are now, without the investment of time, guile and focus from this one individual we wouldn't be in this fantastic position.
In the summer, at the least, Ramirez and Osvaldo will go - there's the bulk of the transfer debt taken care of. We'll then have the increased TV cash, add this to increased off field revenue streams and continued capacity crowds on match days, and all looks good. The comments are a veiled swipe at Cortese, who in my opinion did a fantastic job to put us where we are now, without the investment of time, guile and focus from this one individual we wouldn't be in this fantastic position. SwedeSaint
  • Score: 7

9:41am Mon 31 Mar 14

SiamSaint says...

SwedeSaint wrote:
In the summer, at the least, Ramirez and Osvaldo will go - there's the bulk of the transfer debt taken care of. We'll then have the increased TV cash, add this to increased off field revenue streams and continued capacity crowds on match days, and all looks good.
The comments are a veiled swipe at Cortese, who in my opinion did a fantastic job to put us where we are now, without the investment of time, guile and focus from this one individual we wouldn't be in this fantastic position.
Ramerez to go? Which team have you been watching recently? He's hitting his stride and there also seems to be a subtle Latin shift going on which will suit him perfectly. Yes, he does need a moment longer on the ball than the likes of Rickie but he brings guile to the team (which we need, as only Lallana has it in spades, although Clyne and Shaw also have it, JWP to a degree too). There's often been the charge that's he's a luxury player - but when you get rich you can afford Montecristos rather than Hamlets! Krug rather than Bulmers! Wanyama will come good I am sure, but I'd let him go before Gaston.
[quote][p][bold]SwedeSaint[/bold] wrote: In the summer, at the least, Ramirez and Osvaldo will go - there's the bulk of the transfer debt taken care of. We'll then have the increased TV cash, add this to increased off field revenue streams and continued capacity crowds on match days, and all looks good. The comments are a veiled swipe at Cortese, who in my opinion did a fantastic job to put us where we are now, without the investment of time, guile and focus from this one individual we wouldn't be in this fantastic position.[/p][/quote]Ramerez to go? Which team have you been watching recently? He's hitting his stride and there also seems to be a subtle Latin shift going on which will suit him perfectly. Yes, he does need a moment longer on the ball than the likes of Rickie but he brings guile to the team (which we need, as only Lallana has it in spades, although Clyne and Shaw also have it, JWP to a degree too). There's often been the charge that's he's a luxury player - but when you get rich you can afford Montecristos rather than Hamlets! Krug rather than Bulmers! Wanyama will come good I am sure, but I'd let him go before Gaston. SiamSaint
  • Score: 16

9:58am Mon 31 Mar 14

SwedeSaint says...

SiamSaint wrote:
SwedeSaint wrote:
In the summer, at the least, Ramirez and Osvaldo will go - there's the bulk of the transfer debt taken care of. We'll then have the increased TV cash, add this to increased off field revenue streams and continued capacity crowds on match days, and all looks good.
The comments are a veiled swipe at Cortese, who in my opinion did a fantastic job to put us where we are now, without the investment of time, guile and focus from this one individual we wouldn't be in this fantastic position.
Ramerez to go? Which team have you been watching recently? He's hitting his stride and there also seems to be a subtle Latin shift going on which will suit him perfectly. Yes, he does need a moment longer on the ball than the likes of Rickie but he brings guile to the team (which we need, as only Lallana has it in spades, although Clyne and Shaw also have it, JWP to a degree too). There's often been the charge that's he's a luxury player - but when you get rich you can afford Montecristos rather than Hamlets! Krug rather than Bulmers! Wanyama will come good I am sure, but I'd let him go before Gaston.
Uh Saints! I didn't say he wasn't a good player, I said he'll be sold in the summer. There are players that are more suited to certain leagues and I feel we'll never truly see the best of him......which is a shame as when he does have those moments of brilliance there is no better sight than watching him effortlessly glide around the pitch in his Saints shirt.
[quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwedeSaint[/bold] wrote: In the summer, at the least, Ramirez and Osvaldo will go - there's the bulk of the transfer debt taken care of. We'll then have the increased TV cash, add this to increased off field revenue streams and continued capacity crowds on match days, and all looks good. The comments are a veiled swipe at Cortese, who in my opinion did a fantastic job to put us where we are now, without the investment of time, guile and focus from this one individual we wouldn't be in this fantastic position.[/p][/quote]Ramerez to go? Which team have you been watching recently? He's hitting his stride and there also seems to be a subtle Latin shift going on which will suit him perfectly. Yes, he does need a moment longer on the ball than the likes of Rickie but he brings guile to the team (which we need, as only Lallana has it in spades, although Clyne and Shaw also have it, JWP to a degree too). There's often been the charge that's he's a luxury player - but when you get rich you can afford Montecristos rather than Hamlets! Krug rather than Bulmers! Wanyama will come good I am sure, but I'd let him go before Gaston.[/p][/quote]Uh Saints! I didn't say he wasn't a good player, I said he'll be sold in the summer. There are players that are more suited to certain leagues and I feel we'll never truly see the best of him......which is a shame as when he does have those moments of brilliance there is no better sight than watching him effortlessly glide around the pitch in his Saints shirt. SwedeSaint
  • Score: 1

10:02am Mon 31 Mar 14

alanrr says...

SiamSaint wrote:
SwedeSaint wrote:
In the summer, at the least, Ramirez and Osvaldo will go - there's the bulk of the transfer debt taken care of. We'll then have the increased TV cash, add this to increased off field revenue streams and continued capacity crowds on match days, and all looks good.
The comments are a veiled swipe at Cortese, who in my opinion did a fantastic job to put us where we are now, without the investment of time, guile and focus from this one individual we wouldn't be in this fantastic position.
Ramerez to go? Which team have you been watching recently? He's hitting his stride and there also seems to be a subtle Latin shift going on which will suit him perfectly. Yes, he does need a moment longer on the ball than the likes of Rickie but he brings guile to the team (which we need, as only Lallana has it in spades, although Clyne and Shaw also have it, JWP to a degree too). There's often been the charge that's he's a luxury player - but when you get rich you can afford Montecristos rather than Hamlets! Krug rather than Bulmers! Wanyama will come good I am sure, but I'd let him go before Gaston.
agree totally Ramirez is and was quality on saturday
[quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwedeSaint[/bold] wrote: In the summer, at the least, Ramirez and Osvaldo will go - there's the bulk of the transfer debt taken care of. We'll then have the increased TV cash, add this to increased off field revenue streams and continued capacity crowds on match days, and all looks good. The comments are a veiled swipe at Cortese, who in my opinion did a fantastic job to put us where we are now, without the investment of time, guile and focus from this one individual we wouldn't be in this fantastic position.[/p][/quote]Ramerez to go? Which team have you been watching recently? He's hitting his stride and there also seems to be a subtle Latin shift going on which will suit him perfectly. Yes, he does need a moment longer on the ball than the likes of Rickie but he brings guile to the team (which we need, as only Lallana has it in spades, although Clyne and Shaw also have it, JWP to a degree too). There's often been the charge that's he's a luxury player - but when you get rich you can afford Montecristos rather than Hamlets! Krug rather than Bulmers! Wanyama will come good I am sure, but I'd let him go before Gaston.[/p][/quote]agree totally Ramirez is and was quality on saturday alanrr
  • Score: 29

10:05am Mon 31 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

SwedeSaint wrote:
In the summer, at the least, Ramirez and Osvaldo will go - there's the bulk of the transfer debt taken care of. We'll then have the increased TV cash, add this to increased off field revenue streams and continued capacity crowds on match days, and all looks good.
The comments are a veiled swipe at Cortese, who in my opinion did a fantastic job to put us where we are now, without the investment of time, guile and focus from this one individual we wouldn't be in this fantastic position.
We wont get all of the money upfront for ay transfer so even if we did sell Gaston and Oswald, and I don't think we should sell Gaston either, there would still be an inherent debt. Transfer fees are generally paid over the contract of the player, so the £12 we paid for big Vic on a 4 year deal would be 4x£3mill payments. unless of course there is a big upfront payment wanted by the selling club, which is what was rumoured to be the case in our purchase of osvaldo.
I'm not worried by theses figures, as long as the board have a handle on it and don't 'do a poopey' we should be fine
[quote][p][bold]SwedeSaint[/bold] wrote: In the summer, at the least, Ramirez and Osvaldo will go - there's the bulk of the transfer debt taken care of. We'll then have the increased TV cash, add this to increased off field revenue streams and continued capacity crowds on match days, and all looks good. The comments are a veiled swipe at Cortese, who in my opinion did a fantastic job to put us where we are now, without the investment of time, guile and focus from this one individual we wouldn't be in this fantastic position.[/p][/quote]We wont get all of the money upfront for ay transfer so even if we did sell Gaston and Oswald, and I don't think we should sell Gaston either, there would still be an inherent debt. Transfer fees are generally paid over the contract of the player, so the £12 we paid for big Vic on a 4 year deal would be 4x£3mill payments. unless of course there is a big upfront payment wanted by the selling club, which is what was rumoured to be the case in our purchase of osvaldo. I'm not worried by theses figures, as long as the board have a handle on it and don't 'do a poopey' we should be fine el caballo santos101
  • Score: 14

10:07am Mon 31 Mar 14

SiamSaint says...

SwedeSaint wrote:
SiamSaint wrote:
SwedeSaint wrote:
In the summer, at the least, Ramirez and Osvaldo will go - there's the bulk of the transfer debt taken care of. We'll then have the increased TV cash, add this to increased off field revenue streams and continued capacity crowds on match days, and all looks good.
The comments are a veiled swipe at Cortese, who in my opinion did a fantastic job to put us where we are now, without the investment of time, guile and focus from this one individual we wouldn't be in this fantastic position.
Ramerez to go? Which team have you been watching recently? He's hitting his stride and there also seems to be a subtle Latin shift going on which will suit him perfectly. Yes, he does need a moment longer on the ball than the likes of Rickie but he brings guile to the team (which we need, as only Lallana has it in spades, although Clyne and Shaw also have it, JWP to a degree too). There's often been the charge that's he's a luxury player - but when you get rich you can afford Montecristos rather than Hamlets! Krug rather than Bulmers! Wanyama will come good I am sure, but I'd let him go before Gaston.
Uh Saints! I didn't say he wasn't a good player, I said he'll be sold in the summer. There are players that are more suited to certain leagues and I feel we'll never truly see the best of him......which is a shame as when he does have those moments of brilliance there is no better sight than watching him effortlessly glide around the pitch in his Saints shirt.
OK, sorry, though you were slagging him off. Agree also with the post on Cortese (nothing veiled about that swipe) but who knew till now that Stapelwood is costing us the equivalent of another Osdildo? Who's watch did that happen on? Quite natural that a new board will say "look at this mess i have to sort".. we all do that when we come into new jobs, eh? I can't say I saw a queue outside St Mary's last year for Gaston, when he would have been in the bargain basement. I vote we keeps him. There si somethign of the "Enigma" about him which I find irresistible. Not saying he's the new Le Tiss, but that pass to J-rod...
[quote][p][bold]SwedeSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwedeSaint[/bold] wrote: In the summer, at the least, Ramirez and Osvaldo will go - there's the bulk of the transfer debt taken care of. We'll then have the increased TV cash, add this to increased off field revenue streams and continued capacity crowds on match days, and all looks good. The comments are a veiled swipe at Cortese, who in my opinion did a fantastic job to put us where we are now, without the investment of time, guile and focus from this one individual we wouldn't be in this fantastic position.[/p][/quote]Ramerez to go? Which team have you been watching recently? He's hitting his stride and there also seems to be a subtle Latin shift going on which will suit him perfectly. Yes, he does need a moment longer on the ball than the likes of Rickie but he brings guile to the team (which we need, as only Lallana has it in spades, although Clyne and Shaw also have it, JWP to a degree too). There's often been the charge that's he's a luxury player - but when you get rich you can afford Montecristos rather than Hamlets! Krug rather than Bulmers! Wanyama will come good I am sure, but I'd let him go before Gaston.[/p][/quote]Uh Saints! I didn't say he wasn't a good player, I said he'll be sold in the summer. There are players that are more suited to certain leagues and I feel we'll never truly see the best of him......which is a shame as when he does have those moments of brilliance there is no better sight than watching him effortlessly glide around the pitch in his Saints shirt.[/p][/quote]OK, sorry, though you were slagging him off. Agree also with the post on Cortese (nothing veiled about that swipe) but who knew till now that Stapelwood is costing us the equivalent of another Osdildo? Who's watch did that happen on? Quite natural that a new board will say "look at this mess i have to sort".. we all do that when we come into new jobs, eh? I can't say I saw a queue outside St Mary's last year for Gaston, when he would have been in the bargain basement. I vote we keeps him. There si somethign of the "Enigma" about him which I find irresistible. Not saying he's the new Le Tiss, but that pass to J-rod... SiamSaint
  • Score: 5

10:55am Mon 31 Mar 14

IanRC5 says...

Think many in the press are missing the point about Staplewood, what has been our biggest strength as we climbed back through the leagues and solidified our position in the PL. It has been our youth system and the development of Staplewood gives us a competitive advantage over just about anyone else in the league as we look to continue this. Someone like Luke Shaw is far more likely to stay longer at a club that shows this level of commitment to his future.

With regard to the overall financial situation as I understand it had we not bought Osvaldo we would have been pretty much at break even. What it does show once again is the great debt of gratitude we fans owe Katahrina and her father.
Think many in the press are missing the point about Staplewood, what has been our biggest strength as we climbed back through the leagues and solidified our position in the PL. It has been our youth system and the development of Staplewood gives us a competitive advantage over just about anyone else in the league as we look to continue this. Someone like Luke Shaw is far more likely to stay longer at a club that shows this level of commitment to his future. With regard to the overall financial situation as I understand it had we not bought Osvaldo we would have been pretty much at break even. What it does show once again is the great debt of gratitude we fans owe Katahrina and her father. IanRC5
  • Score: 19

12:56pm Mon 31 Mar 14

SteveinTotton says...

How many articles does the Echo need on these financial figures. Seems like someone storing it up and having a dig at Cortese.
How many articles does the Echo need on these financial figures. Seems like someone storing it up and having a dig at Cortese. SteveinTotton
  • Score: 0

2:21pm Mon 31 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Is it possible that in the end NC's judgement was being clouded by the ultimate aim to get Champions League status and that it was starting to over reach our capability financially. We all would want it, but at what cost? Would the financial rewards match the cost of getting there? We have come a long way in a short time and have to be grateful for that.
Is it possible that in the end NC's judgement was being clouded by the ultimate aim to get Champions League status and that it was starting to over reach our capability financially. We all would want it, but at what cost? Would the financial rewards match the cost of getting there? We have come a long way in a short time and have to be grateful for that. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 5

2:39pm Mon 31 Mar 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

We dont get PREMIER football on Fish & chip money . Skate & chips ANYONE ?? NO . It cost s to play in the best league , I cant see another LOWE season anytime soon . Thank you Kat / Marcus and all that invest in a GREAT FOOTBALL CLUB
We dont get PREMIER football on Fish & chip money . Skate & chips ANYONE ?? NO . It cost s to play in the best league , I cant see another LOWE season anytime soon . Thank you Kat / Marcus and all that invest in a GREAT FOOTBALL CLUB SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 3

3:14pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Datarater says...

Jonathan Forte and Cody Cropper are also out of contract this Summer according to my records.
Jonathan Forte and Cody Cropper are also out of contract this Summer according to my records. Datarater
  • Score: 2

5:21pm Mon 31 Mar 14

andygoater1957 says...

SteveinTotton wrote:
How many articles does the Echo need on these financial figures. Seems like someone storing it up and having a dig at Cortese.
When will the Echo put its financial figures out so we can take ££££ out of them
[quote][p][bold]SteveinTotton[/bold] wrote: How many articles does the Echo need on these financial figures. Seems like someone storing it up and having a dig at Cortese.[/p][/quote]When will the Echo put its financial figures out so we can take ££££ out of them andygoater1957
  • Score: 0

6:18pm Mon 31 Mar 14

St_William says...

Quite ridiculous for Adam Leitch to make such negative comments about Southampton FC's accounts but regrettably that attitude has become so endemic amongst journalists, that he probably can't imagine writing in any other tone. £22m in transfer fees doesn't have to be 'coughed up' in 2014/15. It is simply the amount payable over he year because transfers are paid by instalments. If Saints buy any players this close season, those fees will also be spread over future years as is the income from any sales.
As for questioning whether the Staplewood redevelopment is worth £30m, you have to ask whether the Echo has any understanding of the benefits the club is receiving from the Saints' Academy or the competitive climate it has to work within, when even clubs like Brighton & Hove Albion are developing similar training centres to try to emulate what has been achieved in Southampton.
Adam Leitch should be ashamed to have his name on that negative article.
Quite ridiculous for Adam Leitch to make such negative comments about Southampton FC's accounts but regrettably that attitude has become so endemic amongst journalists, that he probably can't imagine writing in any other tone. £22m in transfer fees doesn't have to be 'coughed up' in 2014/15. It is simply the amount payable over he year because transfers are paid by instalments. If Saints buy any players this close season, those fees will also be spread over future years as is the income from any sales. As for questioning whether the Staplewood redevelopment is worth £30m, you have to ask whether the Echo has any understanding of the benefits the club is receiving from the Saints' Academy or the competitive climate it has to work within, when even clubs like Brighton & Hove Albion are developing similar training centres to try to emulate what has been achieved in Southampton. Adam Leitch should be ashamed to have his name on that negative article. St_William
  • Score: 3

2:26am Tue 1 Apr 14

st1halo says...

Adam Leitch says of the academy "It is clearly an investment for the future, but that surely cannot come at any cost".
I would argue that even at £30m, the academy represents extremely good value when you consider the income brought in by the sales of Ox, Theo etc in the past. The current crop of youngsters now in the first team probably amount to double that in value if we chose to sell (not that we want to) and that the worlds most expensive transfer fee was for a player developed in that very academy.If that particular success story continues, it will provide both our future and a safety net at the same time.

STID
Adam Leitch says of the academy "It is clearly an investment for the future, but that surely cannot come at any cost". I would argue that even at £30m, the academy represents extremely good value when you consider the income brought in by the sales of Ox, Theo etc in the past. The current crop of youngsters now in the first team probably amount to double that in value if we chose to sell (not that we want to) and that the worlds most expensive transfer fee was for a player developed in that very academy.If that particular success story continues, it will provide both our future and a safety net at the same time. STID st1halo
  • Score: 2

11:22am Tue 1 Apr 14

lowe esteem says...

SiamSaint wrote:
SwedeSaint wrote:
SiamSaint wrote:
SwedeSaint wrote:
In the summer, at the least, Ramirez and Osvaldo will go - there's the bulk of the transfer debt taken care of. We'll then have the increased TV cash, add this to increased off field revenue streams and continued capacity crowds on match days, and all looks good.
The comments are a veiled swipe at Cortese, who in my opinion did a fantastic job to put us where we are now, without the investment of time, guile and focus from this one individual we wouldn't be in this fantastic position.
Ramerez to go? Which team have you been watching recently? He's hitting his stride and there also seems to be a subtle Latin shift going on which will suit him perfectly. Yes, he does need a moment longer on the ball than the likes of Rickie but he brings guile to the team (which we need, as only Lallana has it in spades, although Clyne and Shaw also have it, JWP to a degree too). There's often been the charge that's he's a luxury player - but when you get rich you can afford Montecristos rather than Hamlets! Krug rather than Bulmers! Wanyama will come good I am sure, but I'd let him go before Gaston.
Uh Saints! I didn't say he wasn't a good player, I said he'll be sold in the summer. There are players that are more suited to certain leagues and I feel we'll never truly see the best of him......which is a shame as when he does have those moments of brilliance there is no better sight than watching him effortlessly glide around the pitch in his Saints shirt.
OK, sorry, though you were slagging him off. Agree also with the post on Cortese (nothing veiled about that swipe) but who knew till now that Stapelwood is costing us the equivalent of another Osdildo? Who's watch did that happen on? Quite natural that a new board will say "look at this mess i have to sort".. we all do that when we come into new jobs, eh? I can't say I saw a queue outside St Mary's last year for Gaston, when he would have been in the bargain basement. I vote we keeps him. There si somethign of the "Enigma" about him which I find irresistible. Not saying he's the new Le Tiss, but that pass to J-rod...
You took exception to comments about Ramirez and Cortese, why can't you stop being so precious on their behalf, think for yourself and take a closer Iook at Rickie Lambert before making your stereotypical sideswipes.
This man has made as much contribution to Saints recent progress as Adam Lallana, still finds a killer pass that you would have **** too had it been Ramirez. He remains a shoo-in for England-thankfully the much maligned England Manager and many others rate him much more highly than you do.
Shame on you.
[quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwedeSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwedeSaint[/bold] wrote: In the summer, at the least, Ramirez and Osvaldo will go - there's the bulk of the transfer debt taken care of. We'll then have the increased TV cash, add this to increased off field revenue streams and continued capacity crowds on match days, and all looks good. The comments are a veiled swipe at Cortese, who in my opinion did a fantastic job to put us where we are now, without the investment of time, guile and focus from this one individual we wouldn't be in this fantastic position.[/p][/quote]Ramerez to go? Which team have you been watching recently? He's hitting his stride and there also seems to be a subtle Latin shift going on which will suit him perfectly. Yes, he does need a moment longer on the ball than the likes of Rickie but he brings guile to the team (which we need, as only Lallana has it in spades, although Clyne and Shaw also have it, JWP to a degree too). There's often been the charge that's he's a luxury player - but when you get rich you can afford Montecristos rather than Hamlets! Krug rather than Bulmers! Wanyama will come good I am sure, but I'd let him go before Gaston.[/p][/quote]Uh Saints! I didn't say he wasn't a good player, I said he'll be sold in the summer. There are players that are more suited to certain leagues and I feel we'll never truly see the best of him......which is a shame as when he does have those moments of brilliance there is no better sight than watching him effortlessly glide around the pitch in his Saints shirt.[/p][/quote]OK, sorry, though you were slagging him off. Agree also with the post on Cortese (nothing veiled about that swipe) but who knew till now that Stapelwood is costing us the equivalent of another Osdildo? Who's watch did that happen on? Quite natural that a new board will say "look at this mess i have to sort".. we all do that when we come into new jobs, eh? I can't say I saw a queue outside St Mary's last year for Gaston, when he would have been in the bargain basement. I vote we keeps him. There si somethign of the "Enigma" about him which I find irresistible. Not saying he's the new Le Tiss, but that pass to J-rod...[/p][/quote]You took exception to comments about Ramirez and Cortese, why can't you stop being so precious on their behalf, think for yourself and take a closer Iook at Rickie Lambert before making your stereotypical sideswipes. This man has made as much contribution to Saints recent progress as Adam Lallana, still finds a killer pass that you would have **** too had it been Ramirez. He remains a shoo-in for England-thankfully the much maligned England Manager and many others rate him much more highly than you do. Shame on you. lowe esteem
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