Premier League stand firm

Basingstoke Gazette: Premier League stand firm Premier League stand firm

The Premier League sees no reason to change the current rules which ban standing areas in top-flight grounds.

The Football League is to ask the Government to review the laws which were brought in after the 1989 Hillsborough disaster, while Aston Villa said they want to trial the use of 'rail-seats' to promote the introduction of safe standing in the Premier League.

A Premier League spokesman told Press Association Sport however: "We support the current legislation and see no reason to change it."

Several top-flight clubs including Manchester City are understood to be open-minded about allowing rail seating - where seats can be locked upright to allow standing and there are safety barriers between each row.

Hillsborough cost the lives of 96 Liverpool fans and the Merseyside club back the Hillsborough Family Support Group, which has voted unanimously to oppose any reintroduction of standing areas.

On Wednesday, Bristol City installed a block of rail seats at their Ashton Gate home, the first at an English football ground - but only Bristol Rugby supporters will be able to use them.

Aston Villa's football operations manager Lee Preece confirmed his club are keen to further the campaign.

He said: "We at Aston Villa have said we are quite happy to use an area of Villa Park as a trial so the Premier League, the authorities and the government can see a safe standing area in practice."

The Football Supporters' Federation has long been an advocate of rail seating and believes that the green light from the Football League's 72 clubs at their meeting last week is a big step forward.

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11:45am Thu 13 Feb 14

circa 66 saint says...

Shouldn't the headline be
Premier league sits firm with blinkers on.
Shouldn't the headline be Premier league sits firm with blinkers on. circa 66 saint
  • Score: 3

12:01pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Folkestone Saint says...

Are these decision makers the ones who also banned Bellamy but NOT Toure, it's about time we had people in charge who don't remember the first ever FA cup final
Are these decision makers the ones who also banned Bellamy but NOT Toure, it's about time we had people in charge who don't remember the first ever FA cup final Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 2

12:03pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Wembley76 says...

It seems ridiculous that a ruling based on flawed evidence and misrepresentation from the tragic Hillsborough disaster should be used to restrict people from safely watching games in their preferred mode. The decision that allows Rugby fans to do what Football fans cannot is incredulous and demonstrates that this is not to do with health and safety, but purely ignorance and backward thinking. I just hope that this decision by the PL does not force clubs to insist on 'sitting'....
It seems ridiculous that a ruling based on flawed evidence and misrepresentation from the tragic Hillsborough disaster should be used to restrict people from safely watching games in their preferred mode. The decision that allows Rugby fans to do what Football fans cannot is incredulous and demonstrates that this is not to do with health and safety, but purely ignorance and backward thinking. I just hope that this decision by the PL does not force clubs to insist on 'sitting'.... Wembley76
  • Score: 2

12:50pm Thu 13 Feb 14

jls217 says...

Wembley76 wrote:
It seems ridiculous that a ruling based on flawed evidence and misrepresentation from the tragic Hillsborough disaster should be used to restrict people from safely watching games in their preferred mode. The decision that allows Rugby fans to do what Football fans cannot is incredulous and demonstrates that this is not to do with health and safety, but purely ignorance and backward thinking. I just hope that this decision by the PL does not force clubs to insist on 'sitting'....
Standing is fine if that's what you want. I prefer to sit and it really p's me off when a group sat in front of me all stands up and I no longer then have that choice. On asking the half dozen to please sit I was told in no uncertain terms what they thought of the request, when I persisted I was also told in no uncertain terms what they would do to me if I didn't shut up. They were half drunk and there was no point trying to reason and the upshot was everyone behind them had to stand or get a great view of the back of the row in front also forced to stand. I've sat with home fans in a variety of grounds around the world and never been threatened but it happened at St. Mary's. The sooner these people can be made to stand in a separate pen where they don't interfere with those who wish to sit the better. So let's hope the FA have a rethink and give them what they want. (It's only ever happened the once) The only other time the row in front stood in front of me I asked them to sit and they apologized and did so - that's what I expect from Saints fans not drunken threats. Easy to make threats against a bloke in his sixties, doubt they'd have tried if I was 30 years younger or had a few youngsters with me. On mentioning it to a steward his answer was sympathetic but as there were dozens standing it would be more trouble than it was worth. God bless him though, when the second half started and they all stood up again he signalled for me to come to him and he moved me to a better seat which was empty. Thank goodness for common sense.
[quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: It seems ridiculous that a ruling based on flawed evidence and misrepresentation from the tragic Hillsborough disaster should be used to restrict people from safely watching games in their preferred mode. The decision that allows Rugby fans to do what Football fans cannot is incredulous and demonstrates that this is not to do with health and safety, but purely ignorance and backward thinking. I just hope that this decision by the PL does not force clubs to insist on 'sitting'....[/p][/quote]Standing is fine if that's what you want. I prefer to sit and it really p's me off when a group sat in front of me all stands up and I no longer then have that choice. On asking the half dozen to please sit I was told in no uncertain terms what they thought of the request, when I persisted I was also told in no uncertain terms what they would do to me if I didn't shut up. They were half drunk and there was no point trying to reason and the upshot was everyone behind them had to stand or get a great view of the back of the row in front also forced to stand. I've sat with home fans in a variety of grounds around the world and never been threatened but it happened at St. Mary's. The sooner these people can be made to stand in a separate pen where they don't interfere with those who wish to sit the better. So let's hope the FA have a rethink and give them what they want. (It's only ever happened the once) The only other time the row in front stood in front of me I asked them to sit and they apologized and did so - that's what I expect from Saints fans not drunken threats. Easy to make threats against a bloke in his sixties, doubt they'd have tried if I was 30 years younger or had a few youngsters with me. On mentioning it to a steward his answer was sympathetic but as there were dozens standing it would be more trouble than it was worth. God bless him though, when the second half started and they all stood up again he signalled for me to come to him and he moved me to a better seat which was empty. Thank goodness for common sense. jls217
  • Score: 6

12:59pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Little Hitler says...

We need to move out of this ridiculous, politically driven, situation.

Hillsborough was a tragedy but was caused by poor policing and fences stopping people escaping onto the pitch. The same COULD have happened in a seated stadium.

As someone rightly said yesterday, you wouldn't get rid of planes because of one crash so why do the equivalent with standing?

There's also the benefit that standing could make it cheaper to go to games, I'll have a bit of that please!
We need to move out of this ridiculous, politically driven, situation. Hillsborough was a tragedy but was caused by poor policing and fences stopping people escaping onto the pitch. The same COULD have happened in a seated stadium. As someone rightly said yesterday, you wouldn't get rid of planes because of one crash so why do the equivalent with standing? There's also the benefit that standing could make it cheaper to go to games, I'll have a bit of that please! Little Hitler
  • Score: 6

1:16pm Thu 13 Feb 14

warrens 76 says...

Wembley76 wrote:
It seems ridiculous that a ruling based on flawed evidence and misrepresentation from the tragic Hillsborough disaster should be used to restrict people from safely watching games in their preferred mode. The decision that allows Rugby fans to do what Football fans cannot is incredulous and demonstrates that this is not to do with health and safety, but purely ignorance and backward thinking. I just hope that this decision by the PL does not force clubs to insist on 'sitting'....
84.000 standing every other week at Dortmund no problem…terracing was terrible at leppings lane end…we were all crushed there in 84 I climbed up a drainpipe to the seats above..
..however banning terracing because of appalling incompetance and a poor area of standing is like banning all cars because Skoda's used to be poorly built..
[quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: It seems ridiculous that a ruling based on flawed evidence and misrepresentation from the tragic Hillsborough disaster should be used to restrict people from safely watching games in their preferred mode. The decision that allows Rugby fans to do what Football fans cannot is incredulous and demonstrates that this is not to do with health and safety, but purely ignorance and backward thinking. I just hope that this decision by the PL does not force clubs to insist on 'sitting'....[/p][/quote]84.000 standing every other week at Dortmund no problem…terracing was terrible at leppings lane end…we were all crushed there in 84 I climbed up a drainpipe to the seats above.. ..however banning terracing because of appalling incompetance and a poor area of standing is like banning all cars because Skoda's used to be poorly built.. warrens 76
  • Score: 5

2:43pm Thu 13 Feb 14

SouthLondonSaint says...

jls217 wrote:
Wembley76 wrote:
It seems ridiculous that a ruling based on flawed evidence and misrepresentation from the tragic Hillsborough disaster should be used to restrict people from safely watching games in their preferred mode. The decision that allows Rugby fans to do what Football fans cannot is incredulous and demonstrates that this is not to do with health and safety, but purely ignorance and backward thinking. I just hope that this decision by the PL does not force clubs to insist on 'sitting'....
Standing is fine if that's what you want. I prefer to sit and it really p's me off when a group sat in front of me all stands up and I no longer then have that choice. On asking the half dozen to please sit I was told in no uncertain terms what they thought of the request, when I persisted I was also told in no uncertain terms what they would do to me if I didn't shut up. They were half drunk and there was no point trying to reason and the upshot was everyone behind them had to stand or get a great view of the back of the row in front also forced to stand. I've sat with home fans in a variety of grounds around the world and never been threatened but it happened at St. Mary's. The sooner these people can be made to stand in a separate pen where they don't interfere with those who wish to sit the better. So let's hope the FA have a rethink and give them what they want. (It's only ever happened the once) The only other time the row in front stood in front of me I asked them to sit and they apologized and did so - that's what I expect from Saints fans not drunken threats. Easy to make threats against a bloke in his sixties, doubt they'd have tried if I was 30 years younger or had a few youngsters with me. On mentioning it to a steward his answer was sympathetic but as there were dozens standing it would be more trouble than it was worth. God bless him though, when the second half started and they all stood up again he signalled for me to come to him and he moved me to a better seat which was empty. Thank goodness for common sense.
What end did this happen in? If you were trying to sit in the Northam end then am sorry but I would have told you where to go as well ;)

I think it's only a matter of time before they bring it back, I thinks it's less about the health and safety fear and more about the police being given a harder time. They seem to think if people are standing they are more prone to violent conduct.... When really people stand because we like to sing and actually support the team.

Long May the Northam end stand, and hopefully one day the whole end will be for home fans who want to stand and shout/sing.

Up The Saints!
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: It seems ridiculous that a ruling based on flawed evidence and misrepresentation from the tragic Hillsborough disaster should be used to restrict people from safely watching games in their preferred mode. The decision that allows Rugby fans to do what Football fans cannot is incredulous and demonstrates that this is not to do with health and safety, but purely ignorance and backward thinking. I just hope that this decision by the PL does not force clubs to insist on 'sitting'....[/p][/quote]Standing is fine if that's what you want. I prefer to sit and it really p's me off when a group sat in front of me all stands up and I no longer then have that choice. On asking the half dozen to please sit I was told in no uncertain terms what they thought of the request, when I persisted I was also told in no uncertain terms what they would do to me if I didn't shut up. They were half drunk and there was no point trying to reason and the upshot was everyone behind them had to stand or get a great view of the back of the row in front also forced to stand. I've sat with home fans in a variety of grounds around the world and never been threatened but it happened at St. Mary's. The sooner these people can be made to stand in a separate pen where they don't interfere with those who wish to sit the better. So let's hope the FA have a rethink and give them what they want. (It's only ever happened the once) The only other time the row in front stood in front of me I asked them to sit and they apologized and did so - that's what I expect from Saints fans not drunken threats. Easy to make threats against a bloke in his sixties, doubt they'd have tried if I was 30 years younger or had a few youngsters with me. On mentioning it to a steward his answer was sympathetic but as there were dozens standing it would be more trouble than it was worth. God bless him though, when the second half started and they all stood up again he signalled for me to come to him and he moved me to a better seat which was empty. Thank goodness for common sense.[/p][/quote]What end did this happen in? If you were trying to sit in the Northam end then am sorry but I would have told you where to go as well ;) I think it's only a matter of time before they bring it back, I thinks it's less about the health and safety fear and more about the police being given a harder time. They seem to think if people are standing they are more prone to violent conduct.... When really people stand because we like to sing and actually support the team. Long May the Northam end stand, and hopefully one day the whole end will be for home fans who want to stand and shout/sing. Up The Saints! SouthLondonSaint
  • Score: 5

4:40pm Thu 13 Feb 14

The Inbetweener says...

jls217, I do sympathise with your comments but like SouthLondonSaint says if you are visiting St Mary's and you wish to sit down don't buy your ticket in the Northam stand as this is the unofficial standing area in the ground. The Stewards are aware that all the fans stand and do not bother to try and enforce the regulations about standing in seated areas. However, like you when attending Saints away games, if you are not prepared to stand don't buy a ticket because it is very unusual to actually sit in the seat you have paid for. I was particularly miffed that other than sitting down during the half-time break I did not get to use my very luxurious red leather padded seat at the Emirates whilst attending the away game at Arsenal.
I appreciate that standing does seem to add to the atmosphere, but I do feel for parents who have purchased a seat for a child, who when all the fans stand does not have a hope in hell of seeing the game or for the more elderly fans who perhaps find standing for a full 90 mins quite difficult.
I also remember at the Charlton away game, the Police gave out a request from the Police control area asking the Saints fans to sit down, as the disabled Saints fans who are positioned in a wheelchair area half way up the away section could not see the game as the fans in the lower section were stood up. Despite several requests, the fans remained standing which I thought was so inconsiderate and selfish by our own fans, after all they don't have a choice about standing. In this instance the Police/Stewards should have enforced seating, even if it resulted in our fans being ejected from the ground.
There seems to be some sort of misguided bravado that 'I am going to stand whether you like it or not, you try and make me sit down. There are a significant number of our fans, mostly men who have been drinking who would rather get caught up in wanting to 'take on' any Stewards who try and make them sit down. I have seen fans ejected (Man City) because they were causing 'aggro' because they did not want to sit down. That said, there only a couple of grounds that the Stewards have been particularly forceful in insisting the away fans sit down, most of the time they just leave the fans to do what they want.
Bring back standing areas for the fans that wish to stand so there is a choice, but until that happens all fans should try being considerate to their fellow supporters - remember you will be old one day.
jls217, I do sympathise with your comments but like SouthLondonSaint says if you are visiting St Mary's and you wish to sit down don't buy your ticket in the Northam stand as this is the unofficial standing area in the ground. The Stewards are aware that all the fans stand and do not bother to try and enforce the regulations about standing in seated areas. However, like you when attending Saints away games, if you are not prepared to stand don't buy a ticket because it is very unusual to actually sit in the seat you have paid for. I was particularly miffed that other than sitting down during the half-time break I did not get to use my very luxurious red leather padded seat at the Emirates whilst attending the away game at Arsenal. I appreciate that standing does seem to add to the atmosphere, but I do feel for parents who have purchased a seat for a child, who when all the fans stand does not have a hope in hell of seeing the game or for the more elderly fans who perhaps find standing for a full 90 mins quite difficult. I also remember at the Charlton away game, the Police gave out a request from the Police control area asking the Saints fans to sit down, as the disabled Saints fans who are positioned in a wheelchair area half way up the away section could not see the game as the fans in the lower section were stood up. Despite several requests, the fans remained standing which I thought was so inconsiderate and selfish by our own fans, after all they don't have a choice about standing. In this instance the Police/Stewards should have enforced seating, even if it resulted in our fans being ejected from the ground. There seems to be some sort of misguided bravado that 'I am going to stand whether you like it or not, you try and make me sit down. There are a significant number of our fans, mostly men who have been drinking who would rather get caught up in wanting to 'take on' any Stewards who try and make them sit down. I have seen fans ejected (Man City) because they were causing 'aggro' because they did not want to sit down. That said, there only a couple of grounds that the Stewards have been particularly forceful in insisting the away fans sit down, most of the time they just leave the fans to do what they want. Bring back standing areas for the fans that wish to stand so there is a choice, but until that happens all fans should try being considerate to their fellow supporters - remember you will be old one day. The Inbetweener
  • Score: 1

5:28pm Thu 13 Feb 14

the south coast is ours says...

i stand at every away game i go to, plus in the northam end most of the time dont see a problem with standing, fans should have a choice but , as always were told what to do never asked what we would like.
i stand at every away game i go to, plus in the northam end most of the time dont see a problem with standing, fans should have a choice but , as always were told what to do never asked what we would like. the south coast is ours
  • Score: 4

5:28pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Little Hitler says...

Well put Sir!
Well put Sir! Little Hitler
  • Score: 1

6:14pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

Absolutely typical of the idiots at the FA. These are probably the same people who decided that removing a shirt is a bookable offence during a game but not once the final whistle is blown. The same people who are trying to take action against a player for displaying a message on a shirt underneath his shirt. The same people who decide that kicking somebody during a game is OK. The same people who decide that any assault on a player which the referee sees but does not see correctly cannot be punished further. There can be no logical reason not to re-introduce standing using rail seating. The whole problem with standing in the past was the ability of the crowd to surge forward ,thereby crushing the individuals at the front, or indeed, against the barriers. The rail system clearly prevent this happening
Absolutely typical of the idiots at the FA. These are probably the same people who decided that removing a shirt is a bookable offence during a game but not once the final whistle is blown. The same people who are trying to take action against a player for displaying a message on a shirt underneath his shirt. The same people who decide that kicking somebody during a game is OK. The same people who decide that any assault on a player which the referee sees but does not see correctly cannot be punished further. There can be no logical reason not to re-introduce standing using rail seating. The whole problem with standing in the past was the ability of the crowd to surge forward ,thereby crushing the individuals at the front, or indeed, against the barriers. The rail system clearly prevent this happening Clever Dick
  • Score: 3

6:20pm Thu 13 Feb 14

saintbobby says...

You know when I was a teenager (and that's so long ago I can hardly remember), but I was always jealous of those who could sit down.

There is no way I would want to stand now and frankly I couldn't but could some of you guys please tell me WHY you want to stand.

If it is brought back then it should be specific areas and with a reduced price because more could be fitted in , and then those of us who now NEED to sit, can do so without the view being blocked. That's fair enough, isn't it?
You know when I was a teenager (and that's so long ago I can hardly remember), but I was always jealous of those who could sit down. There is no way I would want to stand now and frankly I couldn't but could some of you guys please tell me WHY you want to stand. If it is brought back then it should be specific areas and with a reduced price because more could be fitted in , and then those of us who now NEED to sit, can do so without the view being blocked. That's fair enough, isn't it? saintbobby
  • Score: 3

6:43pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

saintbobby wrote:
You know when I was a teenager (and that's so long ago I can hardly remember), but I was always jealous of those who could sit down.

There is no way I would want to stand now and frankly I couldn't but could some of you guys please tell me WHY you want to stand.

If it is brought back then it should be specific areas and with a reduced price because more could be fitted in , and then those of us who now NEED to sit, can do so without the view being blocked. That's fair enough, isn't it?
Sure is.
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: You know when I was a teenager (and that's so long ago I can hardly remember), but I was always jealous of those who could sit down. There is no way I would want to stand now and frankly I couldn't but could some of you guys please tell me WHY you want to stand. If it is brought back then it should be specific areas and with a reduced price because more could be fitted in , and then those of us who now NEED to sit, can do so without the view being blocked. That's fair enough, isn't it?[/p][/quote]Sure is. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

6:45pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Pretty much agree with all of the above.

JLS's experience is exactly why limited, well-controlled standing areas should be reintroduced. He shouldn't have to put up with people standing (nor, indeed, being abusive) in front of him if he wants to sit. Just as those wanting to stand shouldn't have to put up with having to sit.

It's far from ideal, but, as things stand ('scuse the pun), those wishing to stand should always aim for the back of the ....... um ...... stand, and those wishing to sit should aim for the front.
Pretty much agree with all of the above. JLS's experience is exactly why limited, well-controlled standing areas should be reintroduced. He shouldn't have to put up with people standing (nor, indeed, being abusive) in front of him if he wants to sit. Just as those wanting to stand shouldn't have to put up with having to sit. It's far from ideal, but, as things stand ('scuse the pun), those wishing to stand should always aim for the back of the ....... um ...... stand, and those wishing to sit should aim for the front. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 2

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