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Saints end a dramatic week with a 2-2 draw at Sunderland

  • Rodriguez and Lovren had put visitors into commanding lead
  • Borini and Johnson earned the home side a point
  • Ramirez and Lovren stretchered off with nasty-looking injuries
  • Saints remain ninth in the Premier League table

  • Comments


    Beer Monster 11:44am Sat 18 Jan 14

    Morning from a rather damp Glasgow :)

    Score: 0
    OSPREYSAINT 11:50am Sat 18 Jan 14

    Interesting Chambo vice Clyne, Nathan did look a bit jaded last time out.

    Score: 1
    Norwegian Saint 11:52am Sat 18 Jan 14

    Hi hei fra Norge.... Anything happened this week?
    Nice line up. I'm a big fan of Clyne but he was poor last week.
    Come on you Saaaaaaaaints!!!

    Score: 3
    Buddy SFC 12:00pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Big , Big day ........... Sunderland on the up and everyone expecting Saints to suffer after this difficult week ??

    Get it right and we could be eighth on Monday ! COYR's !

    Score: 1
    up saints 12:04pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    happy with the team gaston on the bench if needed

    Score: 2
    BracknellSaint 12:18pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Looking forward to us showing the red tops that they've been spouting carp.
    2-0 would be nice. SRL penalty and a surprise goal scorer? Shaw?

    Score: 1
    Folkestone Saint 12:37pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Buddy SFC wrote…


    Big , Big day ........... Sunderland on the up and everyone expecting Saints to suffer after this difficult week ??

    Get it right and we could be eighth on Monday ! COYR's !

    Sunderland have had a very similar week

    Score: 0
    Mush On The Beach 12:40pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    G’day all from a hot and sweaty Perth.
    Let’s get in front with a big lead and not concede it, anyone see the ODI cricket yesterday?

    Enough of the weeks dramas, let’s get back to the footy, COYR!

    Score: 0
    Rising_Son 12:44pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    The beginning off the next stage of our history. Let's make it glorious and win well.

    Score: -1
    Mush On The Beach 12:46pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    I really like the entry theme music at Sunderland (Flight of the Valkyries), Everton (Theme to Z-Cars) and Chelsea (The Liquidator) .... just saying.

    Score: -1
    dadofmy3sons 12:49pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Oh wonderful Jay

    Score: -1
    OSPREYSAINT 12:50pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Good start hope it wasn't too soon! J

    Score: -1
    Mush On The Beach 12:50pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Stunning goal J-Rod, just what the doctor ordered.

    Score: 0
    mr miyagi 12:50pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    GET IN JAY

    Score: 0
    Mush On The Beach 12:52pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    OSPREYSAINT wrote…


    Good start hope it wasn't too soon! J

    That sounds a bit negative Ospers :)

    Score: 0
    Norwegian Saint 12:52pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Yesssssss! That must be 99% possession before that goal!!

    Score: 0
    OSPREYSAINT 12:54pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Mush On The Beach wrote…


    OSPREYSAINT wrote…


    Good start hope it wasn't too soon! J
    That sounds a bit negative Ospers :)

    Been here before!

    Score: 0
    Mush On The Beach 1:02pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    They are on the ropes after 15 mins, time for a knockout second goal.

    Score: 0
    dadofmy3sons 1:04pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    oh please let us not think that is enough for now.
    Get another as quickly as possible.
    The way Man City do at home.

    Score: 0
    Norwegian Saint 1:05pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Have we seen a better first 15 mins this season?

    Score: 0
    dadofmy3sons 1:06pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Solent sounds as if we are getting our fair share of the game.
    Must score though.

    Score: 0
    OSPREYSAINT 1:06pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Rickie should fill his boots here, mustn't waste those chances

    Score: -1
    Thornhill Saint 1:07pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    We are tearing them apart (great move for Lambert's shot)!

    Score: -1
    Norwegian Saint 1:08pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    How are we not 2 or 3 up yet?!
    See the Maccums are not too happy :-)

    Score: 1
    Mush On The Beach 1:09pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    dadofmy3sons wrote…


    oh please let us not think that is enough for now.
    Get another as quickly as possible.
    The way Man City do at home.

    We are all over them but SRL has just missed a sitter. We need to take advantage of this phase as Gus will be in their ears at half time.

    Score: 0
    OSPREYSAINT 1:13pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Waster JRod, that was poor.

    Score: 0
    OSPREYSAINT 1:16pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    That's how to do it Dejan!

    Score: 1
    OSPREYSAINT 1:17pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    1 2 forgot to concentrate

    Score: 1
    dadofmy3sons 1:17pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Lovren gets his second.
    Goals from all over this team.
    Need to put the game to bed before half-time.
    No way can Sunderland play this badly second half.
    Sh!t one back while we were still celebrating

    Score: -2
    Norwegian Saint 1:17pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Lovreeeeeeennnnnn!!!
    !
    Well deserved....
    No.... 2-1 with the first shot

    Score: 0
    Mush On The Beach 1:19pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Lovren scores a second stunner but our achilles of switching off after a goal strikes again.

    Score: 0
    DisplacedFan 1:20pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    OSPREYSAINT wrote…


    Waster JRod, that was poor.

    Agree. A top striker would have buried that.

    Score: -1
    DisplacedFan 1:21pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Their goal looked very offside to me.

    Score: -1
    Mush On The Beach 1:29pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    DisplacedFan wrote…


    OSPREYSAINT wrote…


    Waster JRod, that was poor.
    Agree. A top striker would have buried that.

    A bit harsh, no striker converts 100% of chances. A top striker would have converted his first chance, just like he did.
    Jay has definitely stepped up a class this season and will continue to improve .... Hands of Liverpool!

    Score: 2
    dadofmy3sons 1:30pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    We need 3 points at Sunderland, leghue position demands that.
    We are top half, they are bottom.

    Score: -2
    Norwegian Saint 1:33pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Hard to believe we are not further ahead.... what a performance!

    Score: -1
    OSPREYSAINT 1:33pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    So far so good, but they must take their chances wehn they come and not drop off as they did for that goal.

    Score: 0
    dadofmy3sons 1:33pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Lambert free kick right at half time.
    OK, corner. we don't score from corners.
    Booing from some home fans.
    We really should have taken them apart.
    They cannot be that bad in the second half.

    Score: 0
    Thornhill Saint 1:34pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    DisplacedFan wrote…


    Their goal looked very offside to me.

    And me

    Score: -1
    DisplacedFan 1:35pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Poyet can take hope in that after all our possession, they are only one goal down. Steven Fletcher likely to come on. We need to put this one to the sword early.

    Score: 0
    Mush On The Beach 1:36pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    dadofmy3sons wrote…


    We need 3 points at Sunderland, leghue position demands that.
    We are top half, they are bottom.

    How many years have you been watching football? You know it doesn’t work like that.

    Score: -1
    Norwegian Saint 1:37pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Apart from that lapse (and offside) goal, I don't think we have played much better this season... a real joy to watch.
    Hope ML and NC are watching and smiling.

    Score: -1
    BracknellSaint 1:38pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Thornhill Saint wrote…


    DisplacedFan wrote…


    Their goal looked very offside to me.
    And me

    Thought so too, but well on. Switched off. Should be out of sight though.

    Score: 0
    miltonarcher 1:38pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Watching on BT Sport, they reckon it's more like a testimonial , Sunderland were poor 1st half we deserved to be 3-1

    Score: 0
    bigfella777 1:38pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Funny when Saints were 2 up loads of Sunderland fans walked out, bet they feel silly now, that's dedicated support for you

    Score: 0
    Norwegian Saint 1:42pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Brilliant traveling fans, full respect! We can hear you across the North Sea!
    Hope the boys hold on for a famous win.

    Score: 0
    Mush On The Beach 1:42pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Norwegian Saint wrote…


    Apart from that lapse (and offside) goal, I don't think we have played much better this season... a real joy to watch.
    Hope ML and NC are watching and smiling.

    Great effort by the boys.
    Sunderland look like exactly what they say on the tin ..... bottom 3 team.
    The slight worry is one chance and one goal for them.

    Score: 0
    Rising_Son 1:45pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Thornhill Saint wrote…


    DisplacedFan wrote…


    Their goal looked very offside to me.
    And me

    Watching on Radio Solent, we're you?

    Score: -1
    el caballo santos101 1:45pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    gus is not a happy boy is he, shame.
    we have completely controlled the game and should have at least another goal. hope we can do the same in the second. we need this win, not just for the points and the league but for the club as a whole. its been a difficult week, and we need to put it behind us.
    just a little thing that annoys me is Cattermole picked up a yellow for deliberately tripping j-rod when he was running away from him. he made absolutely no attempt to play the ball and just kicked the player. why is that not a red card? if a player kicks another whos not on the ball then he`s off, why not in this case?
    other than that hope we can go on and stuff our old friend poyet`s words down his throat!

    Score: 0
    Norwegian Saint 1:46pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Not a betting man but Rickie to score next 7/1.... worth a flutter?

    Score: 0
    OSPREYSAINT 1:46pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Lots of tweets worrying that our missed chances are going to bite us, I suppose we have seen it happen so often that's how our mentality is at the moment, I just hope we ignor that and go on to fill our boots, unless Poyet can find some magic potion we should beat them simply because we are the better team at the moment.

    Score: -1
    dadofmy3sons 1:47pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Mush On The Beach wrote…


    dadofmy3sons wrote…


    We need 3 points at Sunderland, leghue position demands that.
    We are top half, they are bottom.
    How many years have you been watching football? You know it doesn’t work like that.

    Yea!
    but you know?

    Score: -1
    OSPREYSAINT 1:58pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Rickie seems to be carrying some kind of upper body injury, not his usual self for me.

    Score: 0
    Norwegian Saint 2:00pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    All these missed chances could cost us... yes I'm glass half empty at the moment... need a top up!

    Score: 0
    DisplacedFan 2:00pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Rising_Son wrote…


    Thornhill Saint wrote…


    DisplacedFan wrote…


    Their goal looked very offside to me.
    And me
    Watching on Radio Solent, we're you?

    No watching it live in San Diego. I get to see them live every week. I am in heaven and not just because it's San Diego.

    Score: -1
    Norwegian Saint 2:06pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    DisplacedFan wrote…


    Rising_Son wrote…


    Thornhill Saint wrote…


    DisplacedFan wrote…


    Their goal looked very offside to me.
    And me
    Watching on Radio Solent, we're you?
    No watching it live in San Diego. I get to see them live every week. I am in heaven and not just because it's San Diego.

    In the Gaslamp Quarter? I was there in 1997 when the Super Bowl was happening.

    Score: 0
    OSPREYSAINT 2:07pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Makes up for the previous off side decision.

    Score: -1
    DisplacedFan 2:08pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Rising_Son wrote…


    Thornhill Saint wrote…


    DisplacedFan wrote…


    Their goal looked very offside to me.
    And me
    Watching on Radio Solent, we're you?

    Thank goodness the linesman got that one right. We need another goal.

    Score: 0
    bigfella777 2:09pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    What's the point of making all these chances if you cant score from 10 yards?, I know what Pellegrini or Mourinho would do.

    Score: -2
    OSPREYSAINT 2:13pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    2 2 oh blow it

    Score: -2
    Norwegian Saint 2:14pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Oh crap... how has this happened?

    Score: -2
    DisplacedFan 2:14pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Thats what I have been saying. Now watch them come at us.

    Score: -1
    dadofmy3sons 2:14pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Say nothing.
    Lets just push on from here.

    Score: 1
    Norwegian Saint 2:16pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Ramirez on for Adam???
    This game has no justice... so far

    Score: 0
    OSPREYSAINT 2:17pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Funny how a lot of decisions seem to be going against us this half or am I imagining it?

    Score: 1
    DisplacedFan 2:17pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Norwegian Saint wrote…


    DisplacedFan wrote…


    Rising_Son wrote…


    Thornhill Saint wrote…


    DisplacedFan wrote…


    Their goal looked very offside to me.
    And me
    Watching on Radio Solent, we're you?
    No watching it live in San Diego. I get to see them live every week. I am in heaven and not just because it's San Diego.
    In the Gaslamp Quarter? I was there in 1997 when the Super Bowl was happening.

    No I live by the beach!

    Score: 0
    andoru 2:17pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    How the hell has this happened? Should have been 4-0 up at half-time. Now I can Sunderland getting the winner.

    Score: 0
    OSPREYSAINT 2:19pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Get the prayer books out we need all the help we can get here.

    Score: -2
    OSPREYSAINT 2:20pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Looks like Artur is struggling

    Score: -1
    JohnItaly 2:20pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Have said for a long time that we lack a natural goal poacher.

    Score: 0
    Norwegian Saint 2:20pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Now everything is going against us.
    Lambert is just not firing at the moment.
    Noooooo.... Boruc injured???

    Score: -1
    Mush On The Beach 2:21pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Questions on the space Johnson was afforded and also on Artur who could probably have done better on another day. The game is bubbling nicely, I’m happy to watch us play in games like this anyday, life is not meant to be easy.

    Score: 3
    DisplacedFan 2:23pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    andoru wrote…


    How the hell has this happened? Should have been 4-0 up at half-time. Now I can Sunderland getting the winner.

    We are jot creative enough in the last third as always. What does it matter if you have almost all of the ball if you don't score more than them? Remember the Leeds game?

    Score: 2
    BracknellSaint 2:23pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Completely stopped playing. So sickeningly annoying...

    Score: 1
    Norwegian Saint 2:24pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Has Dave Merrington said "we don't want to do...." Yet???

    Score: 2
    OSPREYSAINT 2:27pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    We are definitely not getting the calls from Foy here.

    Score: 0
    andoru 2:30pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Jesus. How many players are leaving Sunderland in an ambulance? Injury worries again!

    Score: 1
    DisplacedFan 2:30pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    andoru wrote…


    How the hell has this happened? Should have been 4-0 up at half-time. Now I can Sunderland getting the winner.

    Ref missed a howler on Gaston!

    Score: 1
    OSPREYSAINT 2:30pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Our luck seems to have run out big time again. Rambo stretchered off Lovren crocked.

    Score: 0
    andoru 2:33pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    That tackle on Ramirez was from behind. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't they automatically a foul whether you got the ball or not?

    Score: -1
    Mush On The Beach 2:34pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Desperate luck on the injury front, fingers crossed for Gaston and Dejan.
    Ramirez incident looked like a foul that Foy missed, Lovrens however looked like it came from an innocuous challenge.

    Score: 1
    el caballo santos101 2:34pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    the refs inability to call a stonewall free kick, which has left gaston on a stretcher with his leg braced, allowed play to continue and that lead to dejan being stretchered off with his leg in a brace and on gas and air! well done ref. can we complain against this tw@t as well?

    Score: 0
    OSPREYSAINT 2:34pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Haven't seen any sign of JRod 2nd half, is that good marking or has he stopped playing?

    Score: -1
    Norwegian Saint 2:36pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Can't believe this game, it has turned into a nightmare.
    Lovren and Ramirez stretchered off, Boruc injured, losing a 2 goal lead.
    Can we hold on???

    Score: 1
    OSPREYSAINT 2:41pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    2 2 FT before the game I would have killed for a point, now I am disappointed we only got one

    Score: 3
    andoru 2:41pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Rubbish from our point of view. We played like Sunderland in the second half while they played like us. Fair result, but a frustrating one. Should have put it to bed. And the injuries a major concern, just as we were getting back to full strength.

    Score: 2
    OSPREYSAINT 2:42pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Lesser teams would have caved in, at least we believed enough to still keep playing football, no bus parking for this lot.

    Score: 2
    Mush On The Beach 2:43pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    We are guilty of not converting enough goals from the possession percentages in the final third. Is it the players or is it the system we play?
    I still love watching us play though, it’s a joy.
    We never used to dominate teams away from home like we do now.
    A missed opportunity but we take a point against a team fighting for their lives.

    Score: 1
    DisplacedFan 2:43pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Not good enough. We dominated in the first half. Didn't take advantage. Poor in the second half. Not much in front of goal. Dominated for much of the game, but dropped two - what should have been easy- points to a much inferior team.

    Score: -1
    DisplacedFan 2:47pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    OSPREYSAINT wrote…


    Haven't seen any sign of JRod 2nd half, is that good marking or has he stopped playing?

    We are still lacking firepower up front. If we had a player who could get those goals we would be near the top. We are just lacking that one person.

    Score: 1
    OSPREYSAINT 2:48pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    DisplacedFan wrote…


    andoru wrote…


    How the hell has this happened? Should have been 4-0 up at half-time. Now I can Sunderland getting the winner.
    Ref missed a howler on Gaston!

    As I said earlier, we weren't getting the decisions in the second half, good job the lino was on the ball in our defensive half. Corkie BT Man of the Match, about right he was everywhere.

    Score: 0
    Rising_Son 2:48pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Disappointing. We don't seem to make the most of our dominance and now more injury worries.

    Score: 1
    up saints 2:48pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    would of took a draw at the start but after 2up not so good.super sub gaston looked good again untill chopped

    Score: 0
    batesieboy 2:51pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    A poor result after a very good performance. Need to finish the chances created...(try not to get needlessly suspended, Osvaldo.)

    Score: 1
    hdfw09 2:51pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Gutted

    Score: 1
    Saint_rob 2:52pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Big shout for Steven Davis and Jack Cork, played very well.

    Score: 4
    bakeyboy 2:54pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Well, we will need to get the cheque book out now, Gaston's looked really bad, ankle ligaments (thanks Brown you donkey) Dejan's looks like it was self inflicted and didn't look that bad on the box but he was stretchered off with oxygen! The mighty boruc was at fault for their equaliser and pushed it into the net instead of over for a corner and what the hell is going on with Lambert, his form has been in free fall since his last England call up. Finally Jay rod please take a touch, several times today you had plenty of time and space but you just keep snatching at chances when we should have been 4 up at half time with a bit more composure. Anyway kind of happy with a point but what a wasted opportunity today after that first half performance.

    Score: 4
    hedge end bob 2:54pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    A game we should have won by half time. Until we learn too take our chances we will not progress much towards being a top team.

    Score: 8
    Norwegian Saint 2:55pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Are we happy???
    I hate to say it but Rickie is struggling.
    Worse news is Lovren getting injured
    Bad news with Gastón
    Hopefully Boruc is ok

    Will KL let us purchase a striker and defender?

    Score: 3
    Rising_Son 2:58pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    DisplacedFan wrote…


    Norwegian Saint wrote…


    DisplacedFan wrote…


    Rising_Son wrote…


    Thornhill Saint wrote…


    DisplacedFan wrote…


    Their goal looked very offside to me.
    And me
    Watching on Radio Solent, we're you?
    No watching it live in San Diego. I get to see them live every week. I am in heaven and not just because it's San Diego.
    In the Gaslamp Quarter? I was there in 1997 when the Super Bowl was happening.
    No I live by the beach!

    Ocean Beach? Was there in '73. Didn't like San Diego.

    Score: 0
    Norwegian Saint 2:58pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    On another note... class from the Sunderland fans clapping our injured players off.

    Score: 6
    DisplacedFan 3:01pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Rising_Son wrote…


    DisplacedFan wrote…


    Norwegian Saint wrote…


    DisplacedFan wrote…


    Rising_Son wrote…


    Thornhill Saint wrote…


    DisplacedFan wrote…


    Their goal looked very offside to me.
    And me
    Watching on Radio Solent, we're you?
    No watching it live in San Diego. I get to see them live every week. I am in heaven and not just because it's San Diego.
    In the Gaslamp Quarter? I was there in 1997 when the Super Bowl was happening.
    No I live by the beach!
    Ocean Beach? Was there in '73. Didn't like San Diego.

    So you don't like sun 365 days of the year? Not to mention the lifestyle.

    Score: 0
    Rising_Son 3:05pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    The weather was good, but I'm not that keen on the California lifestyle.

    Score: 0
    DisplacedFan 3:06pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    I would replace Ricky with a more attacking player up front. I would take 7 million if it meant we would get a world class striker. I love RL but he is too slow and has been less effective this year. With our success, I am expecting more. It's a good place to be. He won't go to Brazil, but Adam will.

    Score: 2
    DisplacedFan 3:10pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Rising_Son wrote…


    The weather was good, but I'm not that keen on the California lifestyle.

    But we have lots of microbreweries here.

    Score: 0
    miltonarcher 3:12pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Boroc at fault for second goal, perhaps we should have been 3-1 at half time. Injury nightmare, at least it's 2 weeks till next leg game.

    Score: 1
    el caballo santos101 3:12pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    by the looks of those injuries we might need to do some business in the window. although he`s been playing well of late, and he will be missed, we wont miss gaston as much as dejan, who is one of the best CB`s in the league. hope those injuries aren't as bad as they look, and AB being able to finish the game means his injury isn't too bad. at least we have an easier game next week, no offence to Yeovil, and can rest AB and some others.
    KL you might want to sell but can you open the purse strings first?
    gutted with todays result, should have done better. the only positive from today is that we held a team who are fighting for their lives and were throwing everything at us away from home. that is the only positive I can see. agree with others that SRL looked poor today, for whatever reason. do we need to get mayuka back? would that be the answer?
    the ref should hang his had in shame today, not saying he affected the result, but if he aw the `tackle on gaston` and chose to do nothing then the FA need to have a word with him. if however he didn't see it then what was he looking at? if that had happened against other teams they would have had 6,7,8 players chasing the ref around the pitch shouting at him.

    Score: 3
    DisplacedFan 3:15pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Rising_Son wrote…


    The weather was good, but I'm not that keen on the California lifestyle.

    What do you think a California lifestyle is?

    Score: 0
    J7junctionseven 3:20pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    I thought we'd shut them out today and win 2-0.
    For a while it looked like my prediction was going to look very conservative and Saints would finally click in all departments and hammer the Black Cats.
    Now I'm p1ssed off but glad we at least managed to hold on for a point.
    Gutted about the injuries and hope they are not to serious.
    The ref bottled some major decisions as usual.
    Lambert does look slow as some other posters have pointed out but if Foy had given the free kick for the tackle on Gaston we might be rejoicing another Lambert special and have 3 points not one.
    The under 18's won 0-3 at WBA so not a bad day really.
    If the skunts lose again it'll be even better
    COYR FOADP

    Score: -1
    zurichboy 3:28pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Yet another farking awful refereeing decision, even the match commentator was left totally bemused by him not giving it. Lambert would for sure have scored from the resulting free kick.....(wishful thinking maybe)
    I suppose that's what happens when you go up against the establishment and complain about one of their own.

    Score: 0
    Velleity 3:33pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    I blame Guly

    Score: -3
    Velleity 3:36pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    And I must say that:

    Kelvin's always beaten at that near post. The second one shouldn't have gone in. He's rubbish and too old.

    Oh and Danny Fox was utterly to blame for their second. He was far out of position and should have shut down Johnson. He must never wear a Saints shirt again.

    It was Artur and Luke, was it? OK, in that case, I take it all back; they were both fine and not to blame in any way.

    Score: -5
    Rising_Son 3:38pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    DisplacedFan wrote…


    Rising_Son wrote…


    The weather was good, but I'm not that keen on the California lifestyle.
    What do you think a California lifestyle is?

    Good question. I was there 40 years ago. The lifestyle seemed to me like cloud cuckoo land. I suppose I like living in cities with a city centre and not suburbs connected by motorways.

    Score: 0
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    Score: 2
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    Score: 7
    Velleity 4:04pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    ghk230473 wrote…


    ghk230473 wrote…


    Velleity wrote…


    And I must say that:

    Kelvin's always beaten at that near post. The second one shouldn't have gone in. He's rubbish and too old.

    Oh and Danny Fox was utterly to blame for their second. He was far out of position and should have shut down Johnson. He must never wear a Saints shirt again.

    It was Artur and Luke, was it? OK, in that case, I take it all back; they were both fine and not to blame in any way.
    Complete w4nker
    How any one can compare shaw to fox is beyond me, Valerie you have proven that what you know about football can be written on the back of a stamp... In thick marker pen. In fact all you use this site for is to try and make yourself sound important and clever, complete t0ss pot, waste of space, oxygen thief. Where will you be next week?

    It's interesting, all this personal abuse that you aim at me.

    I have targeted two posts (now three) at you in about the last eight or ten months, all three in response to direct attacks you've made on me. Yet you seem to want to carry on.

    You need to get a sense of perspective. I have an opinion that differs from yours. That's life. I don't respond to what you post any more despite the fact that I disagree with plenty of what you say; I moved on. Time for you to.

    Score: -10
    Rising_Son 4:36pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    ghk230473 wrote…


    ghk230473 wrote…


    Velleity wrote…


    And I must say that:

    Kelvin's always beaten at that near post. The second one shouldn't have gone in. He's rubbish and too old.

    Oh and Danny Fox was utterly to blame for their second. He was far out of position and should have shut down Johnson. He must never wear a Saints shirt again.

    It was Artur and Luke, was it? OK, in that case, I take it all back; they were both fine and not to blame in any way.
    Complete w4nker
    How any one can compare shaw to fox is beyond me, Valerie you have proven that what you know about football can be written on the back of a stamp... In thick marker pen. In fact all you use this site for is to try and make yourself sound important and clever, complete t0ss pot, waste of space, oxygen thief. Where will you be next week?

    Recently you wrote that you come on this site in order to discuss football strategy and tactics (or things like that). It seems that you are less than honest. Most of your posts are merely insults.

    Score: -1
    Baddesley Bill 5:37pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    ghk230473 wrote…


    ghk230473 wrote…


    Velleity wrote…


    And I must say that:

    Kelvin's always beaten at that near post. The second one shouldn't have gone in. He's rubbish and too old.

    Oh and Danny Fox was utterly to blame for their second. He was far out of position and should have shut down Johnson. He must never wear a Saints shirt again.

    It was Artur and Luke, was it? OK, in that case, I take it all back; they were both fine and not to blame in any way.
    Complete w4nker
    How any one can compare shaw to fox is beyond me, Valerie you have proven that what you know about football can be written on the back of a stamp... In thick marker pen. In fact all you use this site for is to try and make yourself sound important and clever, complete t0ss pot, waste of space, oxygen thief. Where will you be next week?

    I'm possibly a bit biased towards Valleity here...maybe because I have met him at home games and away games...he's a really decent knowledgeable fan.

    we are not close friends...just fellow supporters...we don't always agree...but respect each others opinions....

    ghk...I sometimes respect your opinions on here too...but all to often you just seem to let yourself down bit.

    Just my opinion mate...so no need for the usual "I'm superior to you" type comment. Cheers.

    Score: -4
    el caballo santos101 5:49pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    ghk230473 wrote…


    ghk230473 wrote…


    Velleity wrote…


    And I must say that:

    Kelvin's always beaten at that near post. The second one shouldn't have gone in. He's rubbish and too old.

    Oh and Danny Fox was utterly to blame for their second. He was far out of position and should have shut down Johnson. He must never wear a Saints shirt again.

    It was Artur and Luke, was it? OK, in that case, I take it all back; they were both fine and not to blame in any way.
    Complete w4nker
    How any one can compare shaw to fox is beyond me, Valerie you have proven that what you know about football can be written on the back of a stamp... In thick marker pen. In fact all you use this site for is to try and make yourself sound important and clever, complete t0ss pot, waste of space, oxygen thief. Where will you be next week?

    what an idiot! why the need for personal abuse from someone who moans when others do it and says he`s only here to talk about football?
    if you realised what vell was saying, and I`m sure he doesn't need me to defend him, it was about the abuse that some players always get, from posters like you, even before they play. the comparison between luke and fox had nothing to do with their individual skill levels, same with the keepers. it was the fact that if fox had let the player have so much room and be out of position then he would have been given dogs abuse, but as its luke no one says anything. its about the slack that people like you give some players but not others. lalla is hardly if ever at fault, yet gaston? well that's different, same with cork, I`m sure he miss placed some passes over the last few games, but nothing. Big Vic again takes abuse every time a pass goes astray.
    is it ok that I compared gaston and lalla or cork and Big vic? are you going to say I know nothing about football because I did?
    grow up!

    Score: -5
    ghk230473 6:19pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    Ok people where on Valerie's post or any others does he bring up tactics, form, formations etc etc. to me it just wants to be the forum fuzz bringing up past posts and commenting on why a certain poster hasn't posted before??

    I repeat how can you compare fox to shaw.. Completely different league and about £30m difference. And for the record, boruc is better than Davis.

    Score: 10
    el caballo santos101 6:43pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    ghk230473 wrote…


    Ok people where on Valerie's post or any others does he bring up tactics, form, formations etc etc. to me it just wants to be the forum fuzz bringing up past posts and commenting on why a certain poster hasn't posted before??

    I repeat how can you compare fox to shaw.. Completely different league and about £30m difference. And for the record, boruc is better than Davis.

    again, as you find it hard to understand, he isn't comparing their relative abilities. he is comparing the levels of abuse from people like you. nowhere does it say that fox is even in the same league as shaw, what he`s said is that if fox had made the errors that shaw made then there would be non-stop abuse on here aimed at him. so why does one player get abuse and not another for the same mistake. again who said KD is better than AB? no one the comparison was that if KD gets beat at the near post everyone moans at him and says he always gets beat at the near post, AB today? people are excusing it saying that he couldn't have been right or even that's poor from AB.
    I don't know what you don't get about that or if I can explain any easier. who said that vell had to bring up formations tactics etc? you did! you moaned that people weren't talking about them, then all you do is abuse people and haven't mentioned tactics etc etc. every time you insist on calling velleity, Valerie you do the exact thing you complain about. as I said why don't you stop doing it and grow up!

    Score: -5
    ghk230473 6:55pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    el caballo santos101 wrote…


    ghk230473 wrote…


    Ok people where on Valerie's post or any others does he bring up tactics, form, formations etc etc. to me it just wants to be the forum fuzz bringing up past posts and commenting on why a certain poster hasn't posted before??

    I repeat how can you compare fox to shaw.. Completely different league and about £30m difference. And for the record, boruc is better than Davis.
    again, as you find it hard to understand, he isn't comparing their relative abilities. he is comparing the levels of abuse from people like you. nowhere does it say that fox is even in the same league as shaw, what he`s said is that if fox had made the errors that shaw made then there would be non-stop abuse on here aimed at him. so why does one player get abuse and not another for the same mistake. again who said KD is better than AB? no one the comparison was that if KD gets beat at the near post everyone moans at him and says he always gets beat at the near post, AB today? people are excusing it saying that he couldn't have been right or even that's poor from AB.
    I don't know what you don't get about that or if I can explain any easier. who said that vell had to bring up formations tactics etc? you did! you moaned that people weren't talking about them, then all you do is abuse people and haven't mentioned tactics etc etc. every time you insist on calling velleity, Valerie you do the exact thing you complain about. as I said why don't you stop doing it and grow up!

    People probably moan at fox because he is useless. Take a look at what shaw brings to the teams game with his runs and energy. Goals are scored and conceded by movement, space and teams dragging players out of position. Goals are normally created 4-5 passes before hand and space opened up. Shaw can be forgiven as his1st half performance was outstanding and he kept Johnson quiet until the cross for 1st goal.

    Apologies to anyone offended, thought this was a football forum?! Not hear to make friends but exchange views and have banter. Like you Valerie has jumped on band wagon in past posts and probably like you, I have never found his posts enlightening.. Being the forum fuzz

    Score: 0
    ghk230473 6:55pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    el caballo santos101 wrote…


    ghk230473 wrote…


    Ok people where on Valerie's post or any others does he bring up tactics, form, formations etc etc. to me it just wants to be the forum fuzz bringing up past posts and commenting on why a certain poster hasn't posted before??

    I repeat how can you compare fox to shaw.. Completely different league and about £30m difference. And for the record, boruc is better than Davis.
    again, as you find it hard to understand, he isn't comparing their relative abilities. he is comparing the levels of abuse from people like you. nowhere does it say that fox is even in the same league as shaw, what he`s said is that if fox had made the errors that shaw made then there would be non-stop abuse on here aimed at him. so why does one player get abuse and not another for the same mistake. again who said KD is better than AB? no one the comparison was that if KD gets beat at the near post everyone moans at him and says he always gets beat at the near post, AB today? people are excusing it saying that he couldn't have been right or even that's poor from AB.
    I don't know what you don't get about that or if I can explain any easier. who said that vell had to bring up formations tactics etc? you did! you moaned that people weren't talking about them, then all you do is abuse people and haven't mentioned tactics etc etc. every time you insist on calling velleity, Valerie you do the exact thing you complain about. as I said why don't you stop doing it and grow up!

    People probably moan at fox because he is useless. Take a look at what shaw brings to the teams game with his runs and energy. Goals are scored and conceded by movement, space and teams dragging players out of position. Goals are normally created 4-5 passes before hand and space opened up. Shaw can be forgiven as his1st half performance was outstanding and he kept Johnson quiet until the cross for 1st goal.

    Apologies to anyone offended, thought this was a football forum?! Not hear to make friends but exchange views and have banter. Like you Valerie has jumped on band wagon in past posts and probably like you, I have never found his posts enlightening.. Being the forum fuzz

    Score: 2
    Baddesley Bill 7:06pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    ghk230473 wrote…


    el caballo santos101 wrote…


    ghk230473 wrote…


    Ok people where on Valerie's post or any others does he bring up tactics, form, formations etc etc. to me it just wants to be the forum fuzz bringing up past posts and commenting on why a certain poster hasn't posted before??

    I repeat how can you compare fox to shaw.. Completely different league and about £30m difference. And for the record, boruc is better than Davis.
    again, as you find it hard to understand, he isn't comparing their relative abilities. he is comparing the levels of abuse from people like you. nowhere does it say that fox is even in the same league as shaw, what he`s said is that if fox had made the errors that shaw made then there would be non-stop abuse on here aimed at him. so why does one player get abuse and not another for the same mistake. again who said KD is better than AB? no one the comparison was that if KD gets beat at the near post everyone moans at him and says he always gets beat at the near post, AB today? people are excusing it saying that he couldn't have been right or even that's poor from AB.
    I don't know what you don't get about that or if I can explain any easier. who said that vell had to bring up formations tactics etc? you did! you moaned that people weren't talking about them, then all you do is abuse people and haven't mentioned tactics etc etc. every time you insist on calling velleity, Valerie you do the exact thing you complain about. as I said why don't you stop doing it and grow up!
    People probably moan at fox because he is useless. Take a look at what shaw brings to the teams game with his runs and energy. Goals are scored and conceded by movement, space and teams dragging players out of position. Goals are normally created 4-5 passes before hand and space opened up. Shaw can be forgiven as his1st half performance was outstanding and he kept Johnson quiet until the cross for 1st goal.

    Apologies to anyone offended, thought this was a football forum?! Not hear to make friends but exchange views and have banter. Like you Valerie has jumped on band wagon in past posts and probably like you, I have never found his posts enlightening.. Being the forum fuzz

    Banter is one thing...being a small minded point scorer on the keyboard is another. ghk...you often post very worthy comments....then you post something that just makes you look like pr@t.

    Stay sane mate. COYR

    Score: -3
    el caballo santos101 7:36pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    ghk230473 wrote…


    el caballo santos101 wrote…


    ghk230473 wrote…


    Ok people where on Valerie's post or any others does he bring up tactics, form, formations etc etc. to me it just wants to be the forum fuzz bringing up past posts and commenting on why a certain poster hasn't posted before??

    I repeat how can you compare fox to shaw.. Completely different league and about £30m difference. And for the record, boruc is better than Davis.
    again, as you find it hard to understand, he isn't comparing their relative abilities. he is comparing the levels of abuse from people like you. nowhere does it say that fox is even in the same league as shaw, what he`s said is that if fox had made the errors that shaw made then there would be non-stop abuse on here aimed at him. so why does one player get abuse and not another for the same mistake. again who said KD is better than AB? no one the comparison was that if KD gets beat at the near post everyone moans at him and says he always gets beat at the near post, AB today? people are excusing it saying that he couldn't have been right or even that's poor from AB.
    I don't know what you don't get about that or if I can explain any easier. who said that vell had to bring up formations tactics etc? you did! you moaned that people weren't talking about them, then all you do is abuse people and haven't mentioned tactics etc etc. every time you insist on calling velleity, Valerie you do the exact thing you complain about. as I said why don't you stop doing it and grow up!
    People probably moan at fox because he is useless. Take a look at what shaw brings to the teams game with his runs and energy. Goals are scored and conceded by movement, space and teams dragging players out of position. Goals are normally created 4-5 passes before hand and space opened up. Shaw can be forgiven as his1st half performance was outstanding and he kept Johnson quiet until the cross for 1st goal.

    Apologies to anyone offended, thought this was a football forum?! Not hear to make friends but exchange views and have banter. Like you Valerie has jumped on band wagon in past posts and probably like you, I have never found his posts enlightening.. Being the forum fuzz

    wooooossssshhhh its gone right over your head again hasn't it!
    what cant or wont you understand? your moaning at fox because, in your words `hes useless` yet shaw can be forgiven because of his first half performance. and there lies your problem, one player can be forgiven but another cant. what was being said that if fox had played exactly the same during the game and made the same mistake he would have been abused whereas shaw wouldn't. you cant see anything wrong with that?
    this might well be a football forum, but does that mean we cant have a laugh and joke? I have often found vellietys posts `enlightening` but it doesn't really matter if I haven't. I often exchange views on here and enjoy banter, was it banter when you called velliety a wa...r for no reason earlier? no that's just abuse, the same abuse you complain about, was that to do with football? no. I don't know what you mean by `being the forum fuzz`.
    I don't `jump on bandwagons` unlike some who have jumped on the `fox is useless` and `NC was awful for the club` bandwagons.
    those who live in glass houses!

    Score: -1
    OSPREYSAINT 9:33pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    ghk230473 wrote…


    el caballo santos101 wrote…


    ghk230473 wrote…


    Ok people where on Valerie's post or any others does he bring up tactics, form, formations etc etc. to me it just wants to be the forum fuzz bringing up past posts and commenting on why a certain poster hasn't posted before??

    I repeat how can you compare fox to shaw.. Completely different league and about £30m difference. And for the record, boruc is better than Davis.
    again, as you find it hard to understand, he isn't comparing their relative abilities. he is comparing the levels of abuse from people like you. nowhere does it say that fox is even in the same league as shaw, what he`s said is that if fox had made the errors that shaw made then there would be non-stop abuse on here aimed at him. so why does one player get abuse and not another for the same mistake. again who said KD is better than AB? no one the comparison was that if KD gets beat at the near post everyone moans at him and says he always gets beat at the near post, AB today? people are excusing it saying that he couldn't have been right or even that's poor from AB.
    I don't know what you don't get about that or if I can explain any easier. who said that vell had to bring up formations tactics etc? you did! you moaned that people weren't talking about them, then all you do is abuse people and haven't mentioned tactics etc etc. every time you insist on calling velleity, Valerie you do the exact thing you complain about. as I said why don't you stop doing it and grow up!
    People probably moan at fox because he is useless. Take a look at what shaw brings to the teams game with his runs and energy. Goals are scored and conceded by movement, space and teams dragging players out of position. Goals are normally created 4-5 passes before hand and space opened up. Shaw can be forgiven as his1st half performance was outstanding and he kept Johnson quiet until the cross for 1st goal.

    Apologies to anyone offended, thought this was a football forum?! Not hear to make friends but exchange views and have banter. Like you Valerie has jumped on band wagon in past posts and probably like you, I have never found his posts enlightening.. Being the forum fuzz

    It's bash ghk night is it? Not going to join in except to say it makes a change that isn't my turn!

    Score: -1
    ghk230473 9:54pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    el caballo santos101 wrote…


    ghk230473 wrote…


    el caballo santos101 wrote…


    ghk230473 wrote…


    Ok people where on Valerie's post or any others does he bring up tactics, form, formations etc etc. to me it just wants to be the forum fuzz bringing up past posts and commenting on why a certain poster hasn't posted before??

    I repeat how can you compare fox to shaw.. Completely different league and about £30m difference. And for the record, boruc is better than Davis.
    again, as you find it hard to understand, he isn't comparing their relative abilities. he is comparing the levels of abuse from people like you. nowhere does it say that fox is even in the same league as shaw, what he`s said is that if fox had made the errors that shaw made then there would be non-stop abuse on here aimed at him. so why does one player get abuse and not another for the same mistake. again who said KD is better than AB? no one the comparison was that if KD gets beat at the near post everyone moans at him and says he always gets beat at the near post, AB today? people are excusing it saying that he couldn't have been right or even that's poor from AB.
    I don't know what you don't get about that or if I can explain any easier. who said that vell had to bring up formations tactics etc? you did! you moaned that people weren't talking about them, then all you do is abuse people and haven't mentioned tactics etc etc. every time you insist on calling velleity, Valerie you do the exact thing you complain about. as I said why don't you stop doing it and grow up!
    People probably moan at fox because he is useless. Take a look at what shaw brings to the teams game with his runs and energy. Goals are scored and conceded by movement, space and teams dragging players out of position. Goals are normally created 4-5 passes before hand and space opened up. Shaw can be forgiven as his1st half performance was outstanding and he kept Johnson quiet until the cross for 1st goal.

    Apologies to anyone offended, thought this was a football forum?! Not hear to make friends but exchange views and have banter. Like you Valerie has jumped on band wagon in past posts and probably like you, I have never found his posts enlightening.. Being the forum fuzz
    wooooossssshhhh its gone right over your head again hasn't it!
    what cant or wont you understand? your moaning at fox because, in your words `hes useless` yet shaw can be forgiven because of his first half performance. and there lies your problem, one player can be forgiven but another cant. what was being said that if fox had played exactly the same during the game and made the same mistake he would have been abused whereas shaw wouldn't. you cant see anything wrong with that?
    this might well be a football forum, but does that mean we cant have a laugh and joke? I have often found vellietys posts `enlightening` but it doesn't really matter if I haven't. I often exchange views on here and enjoy banter, was it banter when you called velliety a wa...r for no reason earlier? no that's just abuse, the same abuse you complain about, was that to do with football? no. I don't know what you mean by `being the forum fuzz`.
    I don't `jump on bandwagons` unlike some who have jumped on the `fox is useless` and `NC was awful for the club` bandwagons.
    those who live in glass houses!

    Birds of a feather!
    Shaw may have made a mistake? But is performance overall was decent. For the record fox ain't a prem league player as long as his ar5e faces south and I'm more than happy cortèse has gone... For the simple reason that if he was a football person how the hell can you not like le'tiss ... Simple

    Score: 1
    el caballo santos101 10:55pm Sat 18 Jan 14

    ghk230473 wrote…


    el caballo santos101 wrote…


    ghk230473 wrote…


    el caballo santos101 wrote…


    ghk230473 wrote…


    Ok people where on Valerie's post or any others does he bring up tactics, form, formations etc etc. to me it just wants to be the forum fuzz bringing up past posts and commenting on why a certain poster hasn't posted before??

    I repeat how can you compare fox to shaw.. Completely different league and about £30m difference. And for the record, boruc is better than Davis.
    again, as you find it hard to understand, he isn't comparing their relative abilities. he is comparing the levels of abuse from people like you. nowhere does it say that fox is even in the same league as shaw, what he`s said is that if fox had made the errors that shaw made then there would be non-stop abuse on here aimed at him. so why does one player get abuse and not another for the same mistake. again who said KD is better than AB? no one the comparison was that if KD gets beat at the near post everyone moans at him and says he always gets beat at the near post, AB today? people are excusing it saying that he couldn't have been right or even that's poor from AB.
    I don't know what you don't get about that or if I can explain any easier. who said that vell had to bring up formations tactics etc? you did! you moaned that people weren't talking about them, then all you do is abuse people and haven't mentioned tactics etc etc. every time you insist on calling velleity, Valerie you do the exact thing you complain about. as I said why don't you stop doing it and grow up!
    People probably moan at fox because he is useless. Take a look at what shaw brings to the teams game with his runs and energy. Goals are scored and conceded by movement, space and teams dragging players out of position. Goals are normally created 4-5 passes before hand and space opened up. Shaw can be forgiven as his1st half performance was outstanding and he kept Johnson quiet until the cross for 1st goal.

    Apologies to anyone offended, thought this was a football forum?! Not hear to make friends but exchange views and have banter. Like you Valerie has jumped on band wagon in past posts and probably like you, I have never found his posts enlightening.. Being the forum fuzz
    wooooossssshhhh its gone right over your head again hasn't it!
    what cant or wont you understand? your moaning at fox because, in your words `hes useless` yet shaw can be forgiven because of his first half performance. and there lies your problem, one player can be forgiven but another cant. what was being said that if fox had played exactly the same during the game and made the same mistake he would have been abused whereas shaw wouldn't. you cant see anything wrong with that?
    this might well be a football forum, but does that mean we cant have a laugh and joke? I have often found vellietys posts `enlightening` but it doesn't really matter if I haven't. I often exchange views on here and enjoy banter, was it banter when you called velliety a wa...r for no reason earlier? no that's just abuse, the same abuse you complain about, was that to do with football? no. I don't know what you mean by `being the forum fuzz`.
    I don't `jump on bandwagons` unlike some who have jumped on the `fox is useless` and `NC was awful for the club` bandwagons.
    those who live in glass houses!
    Birds of a feather!
    Shaw may have made a mistake? But is performance overall was decent. For the record fox ain't a prem league player as long as his ar5e faces south and I'm more than happy cortèse has gone... For the simple reason that if he was a football person how the hell can you not like le'tiss ... Simple

    your still missing the point though, and by your logic a mistake by shaw is even worse than the same mistake by fox. if a player is £30mill better than another then surely his mistakes are so much worse? a mistake is a mistake no matter which player makes it and you shouldn't criticise any player more than any other. if MP decides that fox is the right player for a particular game or position then thats good enough for me. the player you and others are happy to slate has been picked by 2 Southampton managers in the prem and several managers for Scotland, do you think having a go at a player helps his confidence and therefore the team?
    NC didn't have to be a football person to run the club, why should he be? he did rather well for a non-football person. hoddle was a football person and he didn't like letiss nor did vegetables! for the record NC never once said anything anti letiss and even said that he cant dislike him because he doesn't know him. can you let everyone know what NC ever did that showed that he didn't like letiss?

    Score: -3
    ghk230473 2:51am Sun 19 Jan 14

    el caballo santos101 wrote…


    ghk230473 wrote…


    el caballo santos101 wrote…


    ghk230473 wrote…


    el caballo santos101 wrote…


    ghk230473 wrote…


    Ok people where on Valerie's post or any others does he bring up tactics, form, formations etc etc. to me it just wants to be the forum fuzz bringing up past posts and commenting on why a certain poster hasn't posted before??

    I repeat how can you compare fox to shaw.. Completely different league and about £30m difference. And for the record, boruc is better than Davis.
    again, as you find it hard to understand, he isn't comparing their relative abilities. he is comparing the levels of abuse from people like you. nowhere does it say that fox is even in the same league as shaw, what he`s said is that if fox had made the errors that shaw made then there would be non-stop abuse on here aimed at him. so why does one player get abuse and not another for the same mistake. again who said KD is better than AB? no one the comparison was that if KD gets beat at the near post everyone moans at him and says he always gets beat at the near post, AB today? people are excusing it saying that he couldn't have been right or even that's poor from AB.
    I don't know what you don't get about that or if I can explain any easier. who said that vell had to bring up formations tactics etc? you did! you moaned that people weren't talking about them, then all you do is abuse people and haven't mentioned tactics etc etc. every time you insist on calling velleity, Valerie you do the exact thing you complain about. as I said why don't you stop doing it and grow up!
    People probably moan at fox because he is useless. Take a look at what shaw brings to the teams game with his runs and energy. Goals are scored and conceded by movement, space and teams dragging players out of position. Goals are normally created 4-5 passes before hand and space opened up. Shaw can be forgiven as his1st half performance was outstanding and he kept Johnson quiet until the cross for 1st goal.

    Apologies to anyone offended, thought this was a football forum?! Not hear to make friends but exchange views and have banter. Like you Valerie has jumped on band wagon in past posts and probably like you, I have never found his posts enlightening.. Being the forum fuzz
    wooooossssshhhh its gone right over your head again hasn't it!
    what cant or wont you understand? your moaning at fox because, in your words `hes useless` yet shaw can be forgiven because of his first half performance. and there lies your problem, one player can be forgiven but another cant. what was being said that if fox had played exactly the same during the game and made the same mistake he would have been abused whereas shaw wouldn't. you cant see anything wrong with that?
    this might well be a football forum, but does that mean we cant have a laugh and joke? I have often found vellietys posts `enlightening` but it doesn't really matter if I haven't. I often exchange views on here and enjoy banter, was it banter when you called velliety a wa...r for no reason earlier? no that's just abuse, the same abuse you complain about, was that to do with football? no. I don't know what you mean by `being the forum fuzz`.
    I don't `jump on bandwagons` unlike some who have jumped on the `fox is useless` and `NC was awful for the club` bandwagons.
    those who live in glass houses!
    Birds of a feather!
    Shaw may have made a mistake? But is performance overall was decent. For the record fox ain't a prem league player as long as his ar5e faces south and I'm more than happy cortèse has gone... For the simple reason that if he was a football person how the hell can you not like le'tiss ... Simple
    your still missing the point though, and by your logic a mistake by shaw is even worse than the same mistake by fox. if a player is £30mill better than another then surely his mistakes are so much worse? a mistake is a mistake no matter which player makes it and you shouldn't criticise any player more than any other. if MP decides that fox is the right player for a particular game or position then thats good enough for me. the player you and others are happy to slate has been picked by 2 Southampton managers in the prem and several managers for Scotland, do you think having a go at a player helps his confidence and therefore the team?
    NC didn't have to be a football person to run the club, why should he be? he did rather well for a non-football person. hoddle was a football person and he didn't like letiss nor did vegetables! for the record NC never once said anything anti letiss and even said that he cant dislike him because he doesn't know him. can you let everyone know what NC ever did that showed that he didn't like letiss?

    Missing the? You have no point .
    Fox ain't worth million so shaw is worth over £30m. I've watched fox and since the away game to west brom decided he wasn't any good, what a manager says and picks is allowed to be questioned, it's football and opinions differ.
    So are you saying you want fox back in the team? Or just continuing an arguement on behalf of Vera?

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    loosehead 9:05am Sun 19 Jan 14

    would Lambert going & a new young striker coming in help our scoring rate?
    just from what I saw Lambert isn't up to it at the moment & looks to be carried by the team!

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