So unfair to pin the blame on Katharina Liebherr

Basingstoke Gazette: Katharina Liebherr Katharina Liebherr

IT remains, for many fans, an iconic image of a man who was all too briefly owner of their football club.

The late Markus Liebherr is captured in this Daily Echo picture celebrating Saints’ JPT final win at Wembley in March 2010.

To help him remember the occasion, he is taking photographs.

And for a man whose personal wealth was in the billions, his camera is remarkably under-stated. No huge wide angle lens job, just a normal sort of camera.

No fuss, just like the man himself.

Markus Liebherr always looked like a man who enjoyed being Saints’ saviour.

Saints fans no doubt once thought their club would never ever slump as low as to be playing in the JPT, a cup for third and fourth division teams.

But Markus Liebherr didn’t seem concerned on that spring day at the national stadium.

His delight was all too obvious.

Imagine what his reactions would have been if he’d lived to see Saints win promotion to the Premier League, and then beat Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City in the space of a few weeks?

Here’s another question.

I wonder if Katharina Liebherr has ever seen the pictures on these pages, to see what Saints meant to her dad? If she hasn’t, hopefully she will see them now.

If your father loved something that much, and he then passed away, would you go out to ‘wreck’ that something?

Would you?

I ask that question because Katharina was portrayed yesterday in one national newspaper as a ‘dream wrecker’.

That banner heading was followed by a smaller one – ‘she’s the £3bn heiress who’s never shown any interest in football. Now she has ousted the man who made Saints believe again.’ In the story, Katharina Liebherr was not paid many compliments.

“She has inherited her father’s looks and his taste for simple clothes,” was one choice remark.

Charming!

The story was obviously written from a pro-Cortese angle, but unfair to Katharina and also unfair to Saints fans wanting the truth behind the latest sensational story to rock their club.

You cannot say, on the one hand, she has no interest in football and then, on the other, claim she was last summer making demands to be involved in the day-to-day running of Saints.

Until she speaks, we do not know what her motives are. We cannot accuse of her being a ‘dream wrecker’ until any dreams are wrecked.

She might want to sell the club, and if so she will have a nice profit.

Unbelievable as it might now seem, Markus Liebherr bought Saints for more (£13m) than the club paid Roma for Dani Osvaldo.

Saints must be worth about £80m-£100m these days.

She might sell the club to a person(s) who love football, who take a far bigger interest in the sport than she does.

Is it beyond the realms of possibility she might sell it to someone with a bigger fortune than her dad possessed?

Perhaps, though, she does NOT want to sell it. Perhaps she is now happy to pump more money in now Nicola Cortese has left.

We do not know. We cannot know.

Having previously been involved with her father’s Mali Group of companies, Katharina took on the role of Saints ‘owner’ when Markus passed away in August 2010.

Talk of a ‘power’ battle is wrong in so far as Katharina has always been in overall control.

We will almost certainly never know just how often Cortese had to report to her.

This is Saints, lest we forget, and there are lots of unanswered questions all the time.

Did Cortese have to report to Katharina every time he wrote a large cheque for a new player? Or was he allowed to write those cheques unchallenged?

Was Cortese allowed to run Saints as he wished, or was Katharina’s shadow permanently hanging over him?

Did Katharina think the chairman, a good friend of her father’s, had too much power?

Was he asking for too much money?

These are obvious questions to ponder, but I do not have the answers.

None of us do, but unlike some national newspapers the Daily Echo is not painting a one-sided picture.

Katharina is a businesswomen involved in one of the biggest – and, by implication, one of the most successful – family groups in Europe.

She is a former president of some companies which come under the umbrella of the Mali Group her father set up in the mid 1990s.

She might not know who set up Bobby Stokes to score the winner in the 1976 FA Cup final – she might not even know who Bobby Stokes is – but at the moment that is beside the point.

We do not know much about her – not even her age – but we cannot just write off her ability to do the best for the club her father loved without giving her a chance.

Saints legend Matt Le Tissier took to Twitter yesterday to say just that. “Before people start criticising the Liebherr family just remember whose money allowed us to get where we are today,” he tweeted. Another Dell legend, Mick Channon, wondered what all the fuss was about following Cortese’s departure. “What a pantomime at Saints. Is it really that dramatic?” he tweeted. “They’ve been going since 1885 so I think we can cope with people leaving.”

So I ask the question again. If your father loved something that much, and he then passed away, would you go out to ‘wreck’ it?

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11:00am Fri 17 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Apart from some disingenuous Press garbage I haven't seen anywhere that anyone is blaming Katharina Liebherr for the situation, I have seen a lot of disrespectful messages about her gender and her figure. I would rather see messages giving her support and encouraging her to continue her fathers dream. If the Club is to be sold then make sure it is the right option.
Apart from some disingenuous Press garbage I haven't seen anywhere that anyone is blaming Katharina Liebherr for the situation, I have seen a lot of disrespectful messages about her gender and her figure. I would rather see messages giving her support and encouraging her to continue her fathers dream. If the Club is to be sold then make sure it is the right option. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 76

11:04am Fri 17 Jan 14

andoru says...

"Unbelievable as it might now seem, Markus Liebherr bought Saints for more (£13m) than the club paid Roma for Dani Osvaldo."

Poorly phrased. Of course a club costs more than a player. What you should say is "around the same price".
"Unbelievable as it might now seem, Markus Liebherr bought Saints for more (£13m) than the club paid Roma for Dani Osvaldo." Poorly phrased. Of course a club costs more than a player. What you should say is "around the same price". andoru
  • Score: 2

11:18am Fri 17 Jan 14

montecristosaint says...

most of the reporting has been ill informed comment, often from individuals barely out of short trousers but who somehow are put in a position to post wild stories by irresponsible football web sites, nothing about Miss Liebherr suggests instability will follow, she has in fact been holding the purse strings all along and has not let the club or fans down. I will swear blind that this episode has all been to do with Cortese s management style, with Liebherr objecting to his treatment of the club as his personal plaything with lip services only being paid to the need to keep his employer in the loop. To be frank I would have shown even less patience than she did.
So long as the status quo is maintaained and payers retained, things will get back to normal quite quickly.
most of the reporting has been ill informed comment, often from individuals barely out of short trousers but who somehow are put in a position to post wild stories by irresponsible football web sites, nothing about Miss Liebherr suggests instability will follow, she has in fact been holding the purse strings all along and has not let the club or fans down. I will swear blind that this episode has all been to do with Cortese s management style, with Liebherr objecting to his treatment of the club as his personal plaything with lip services only being paid to the need to keep his employer in the loop. To be frank I would have shown even less patience than she did. So long as the status quo is maintaained and payers retained, things will get back to normal quite quickly. montecristosaint
  • Score: 19

11:21am Fri 17 Jan 14

right back in the bar says...

Actually Saints could be held up as a good example of how business and football can mix successfully. Patrick Barclay wrote in the Standard about how football and capitalism don't mix. While how about this - she makes 8x times on her original investment while Saints go from League 1 to established prem status. That's seems to me a good deal for all concerned. We are a great prospect for new owners. MP might not move on at the end of the season, not if new owners share the philosophy and he is allowed to continue to work in his own inimitable way. (might even be Cortese who comes back in some guise, a consortium?). This can't be all doom and gloom. Win tomorrow is vital to send out message business as usual. weelorw
Actually Saints could be held up as a good example of how business and football can mix successfully. Patrick Barclay wrote in the Standard about how football and capitalism don't mix. While how about this - she makes 8x times on her original investment while Saints go from League 1 to established prem status. That's seems to me a good deal for all concerned. We are a great prospect for new owners. MP might not move on at the end of the season, not if new owners share the philosophy and he is allowed to continue to work in his own inimitable way. (might even be Cortese who comes back in some guise, a consortium?). This can't be all doom and gloom. Win tomorrow is vital to send out message business as usual. weelorw right back in the bar
  • Score: 10

11:36am Fri 17 Jan 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Apart from some disingenuous Press garbage I haven't seen anywhere that anyone is blaming Katharina Liebherr for the situation, I have seen a lot of disrespectful messages about her gender and her figure. I would rather see messages giving her support and encouraging her to continue her fathers dream. If the Club is to be sold then make sure it is the right option.
100% agree . We back the Liebherr s Marcus & Katharina , They have brought us to another level and are continued support is with them . If they sell , I just hope the new owners will have as much faith and drive to continue are progress . COYR . We as S.F.C. FANS SUPPORT the manager the team and the owners . And luckily do not rely on the trash from press reports until CONFIRMED
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Apart from some disingenuous Press garbage I haven't seen anywhere that anyone is blaming Katharina Liebherr for the situation, I have seen a lot of disrespectful messages about her gender and her figure. I would rather see messages giving her support and encouraging her to continue her fathers dream. If the Club is to be sold then make sure it is the right option.[/p][/quote]100% agree . We back the Liebherr s Marcus & Katharina , They have brought us to another level and are continued support is with them . If they sell , I just hope the new owners will have as much faith and drive to continue are progress . COYR . We as S.F.C. FANS SUPPORT the manager the team and the owners . And luckily do not rely on the trash from press reports until CONFIRMED SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 22

11:40am Fri 17 Jan 14

Chriops says...

Thank you Echo for a sensible take on the recent events at St Mary's. Scanning the national press over the last couple of days, I've been appalled by the sensationalism shown. By far worse was the article that labeled Kathrina Liebherr a 'dream wrecker'.

As a Saints fan I have been hugely proud of the way in which the Saints have been run. Mr Cortese has transformed the club, with the help of the Liebherr family finance. That said, there is a new chapter. Lets hope that we soon get some clarification on the vision and direction that Saints will be taking. Until that is clarified, there will be some uncertainty regarding Saints, and all we can do is get behind the team every time they walk onto the pitch.
Thank you Echo for a sensible take on the recent events at St Mary's. Scanning the national press over the last couple of days, I've been appalled by the sensationalism shown. By far worse was the article that labeled Kathrina Liebherr a 'dream wrecker'. As a Saints fan I have been hugely proud of the way in which the Saints have been run. Mr Cortese has transformed the club, with the help of the Liebherr family finance. That said, there is a new chapter. Lets hope that we soon get some clarification on the vision and direction that Saints will be taking. Until that is clarified, there will be some uncertainty regarding Saints, and all we can do is get behind the team every time they walk onto the pitch. Chriops
  • Score: 21

11:46am Fri 17 Jan 14

sotonwood83 says...

As fans we need to concentrate on supporting the club by supporting the players. For 90+ minutes its them we watch and cheer. It is them that put foot to turf to win games, lets get behind the players and leave the business side of football to the desk jockies.
Do we know how other big companies run behind the scenes? No, but that doesn't stop from buying their products or services.

This is a gamble just as the departure of Adkins, so lets sit back and enjoy some top level football and let time show us if this was a good or bad choice.

Season ticket holder, Southampton born and resident.
As fans we need to concentrate on supporting the club by supporting the players. For 90+ minutes its them we watch and cheer. It is them that put foot to turf to win games, lets get behind the players and leave the business side of football to the desk jockies. Do we know how other big companies run behind the scenes? No, but that doesn't stop from buying their products or services. This is a gamble just as the departure of Adkins, so lets sit back and enjoy some top level football and let time show us if this was a good or bad choice. Season ticket holder, Southampton born and resident. sotonwood83
  • Score: 13

11:52am Fri 17 Jan 14

EricMartin'sHat says...

Who knows - perhaps NC was expecting KL to sell the Club at some point (perhaps to himself and friends), and KL decided that it wasn't what ML would have wanted - hence their spat?

At least there are hundreds of possible alternative theories, but this one is positive in KL's favour; I haven't seen any that show NC in a negative way, perhaps they should?
Who knows - perhaps NC was expecting KL to sell the Club at some point (perhaps to himself and friends), and KL decided that it wasn't what ML would have wanted - hence their spat? At least there are hundreds of possible alternative theories, but this one is positive in KL's favour; I haven't seen any that show NC in a negative way, perhaps they should? EricMartin'sHat
  • Score: 7

12:00pm Fri 17 Jan 14

notaclue says...

It will be interesing to see if MoPo's call for her to be at the Sunderland game tomorrow is met, but she has put herself in as chairman so let see, I for one hope she is there and gets a very warm welcome from our fans.

Plus I don't think we will be buying or selling anyone, as no-one knows who to contact or who would negotiate the deal. Mopo has only met her twice, once at a party and then for 5min yeasterday, and also said it is not up to him when he talks to her.

Without her family goodness knows where we would be so lets welcome her warmly to her own club and show how greatful we are!
It will be interesing to see if MoPo's call for her to be at the Sunderland game tomorrow is met, but she has put herself in as chairman so let see, I for one hope she is there and gets a very warm welcome from our fans. Plus I don't think we will be buying or selling anyone, as no-one knows who to contact or who would negotiate the deal. Mopo has only met her twice, once at a party and then for 5min yeasterday, and also said it is not up to him when he talks to her. Without her family goodness knows where we would be so lets welcome her warmly to her own club and show how greatful we are! notaclue
  • Score: 25

12:03pm Fri 17 Jan 14

el caballo santos101 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Apart from some disingenuous Press garbage I haven't seen anywhere that anyone is blaming Katharina Liebherr for the situation, I have seen a lot of disrespectful messages about her gender and her figure. I would rather see messages giving her support and encouraging her to continue her fathers dream. If the Club is to be sold then make sure it is the right option.
ospers you should have read the sun yesterday, the back page headline was `revealed woman at the centre of Southampton nightmare` it then goes on to say that the chairmans left and MP is ready to follow and we face an exodus of top players. when you actually read the story with the headline it goes on to say that NC has left, with others to follow, because they think KL wants to sell. if that's not blaming KL what is? further in the `story` they have a sub-headline `is there a way back from the abyss?` to which they say that `ironically the man who would actually be best placed to save them now is the man who saved them in the first place... cortese`. surely the best placed person to `save` (do we need saving, and what from) us now is KL, after all she actually owns the club. the sun then plays out every scenario for NC and KL, the scenarios for KL is that she would cash in on our stars and sell the club now or `it is also possible that she will first find a replacement for NC and try to restore normality. once the club seems settled again she may then start to look for a new owner`. so the only things that the sun think that KL can do is,
1. sell now, after selling our top stars
2. settle now and sell later.
they do not even consider that, as the echo says, she might want to keep the club because of what it meant to her father. I am not saying she will but we don't know.
can you not see how the sun, amongst other red tops, are trying to portray KL?
it doesn't help when you have that fool from sisa on tv saying `I think shes got a buyer lined up` all the time, his tone and stance seemingly pro NC and anti KL. is this the same group who were very anti NC for the sacking of NA and wanted KL to do something? surely not.
the press want/need someone to blame for everything so it looks that KL is in the firing line this time.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Apart from some disingenuous Press garbage I haven't seen anywhere that anyone is blaming Katharina Liebherr for the situation, I have seen a lot of disrespectful messages about her gender and her figure. I would rather see messages giving her support and encouraging her to continue her fathers dream. If the Club is to be sold then make sure it is the right option.[/p][/quote]ospers you should have read the sun yesterday, the back page headline was `revealed woman at the centre of Southampton nightmare` it then goes on to say that the chairmans left and MP is ready to follow and we face an exodus of top players. when you actually read the story with the headline it goes on to say that NC has left, with others to follow, because they think KL wants to sell. if that's not blaming KL what is? further in the `story` they have a sub-headline `is there a way back from the abyss?` to which they say that `ironically the man who would actually be best placed to save them now is the man who saved them in the first place... cortese`. surely the best placed person to `save` (do we need saving, and what from) us now is KL, after all she actually owns the club. the sun then plays out every scenario for NC and KL, the scenarios for KL is that she would cash in on our stars and sell the club now or `it is also possible that she will first find a replacement for NC and try to restore normality. once the club seems settled again she may then start to look for a new owner`. so the only things that the sun think that KL can do is, 1. sell now, after selling our top stars 2. settle now and sell later. they do not even consider that, as the echo says, she might want to keep the club because of what it meant to her father. I am not saying she will but we don't know. can you not see how the sun, amongst other red tops, are trying to portray KL? it doesn't help when you have that fool from sisa on tv saying `I think shes got a buyer lined up` all the time, his tone and stance seemingly pro NC and anti KL. is this the same group who were very anti NC for the sacking of NA and wanted KL to do something? surely not. the press want/need someone to blame for everything so it looks that KL is in the firing line this time. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 17

12:06pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Egomaniac says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Apart from some disingenuous Press garbage I haven't seen anywhere that anyone is blaming Katharina Liebherr for the situation, I have seen a lot of disrespectful messages about her gender and her figure. I would rather see messages giving her support and encouraging her to continue her fathers dream. If the Club is to be sold then make sure it is the right option.
Firstly, well said OSPREYSAINT, and secondly well done to DE for a good report.

The Press and the pundits will have a field day (or two) speculating on what has gone on, and what the future holds for SFC. None of them - or us - can hope to know that - so all they, and we, can do is speculate.

What we can do is make some sensible speculations and predictions on what we do know. It has been suggested that MP has agreed to stay on because he has KL's full backing. However, what do we understand by her 'full backing'? It cannot be that she believes in and supports NC's dream plan for the Club - otherwise, why did he leave? No, there's more to it than that.

I deduce that KL does want to sell the Club. The value of that asset would drop dramatically if MP was to walk away immediately, followed by key players. I would suggest that she wants MP to keep the status off the Club at least where it is now, which gives her time to find buyers and negotiate a good sale at a top of the market price That's logical, and would explain MP's decision to stay until the end of the season, and not commit any further - yet.

If KL was to find a buyer that also supported the 'dream', then MP's decision to stay on for the while makes eminent sense. He would then be keen to commit further with an opportunity to pursue his goals.

And who knows, perhaps if that ambitious buyer could be found, with no Liebher influence Nicola might be persuaded to return as CEO if he sees a chance to continue his dream plan. After all, any ambitious new owner can see clearly what a successful duo - NC and MP - has been in charge.

The worst case scenario is that KL sells to asset strippers - that would be disastrous for SFC, and the downward spiral would begin. Let's not go there for now!

I believe my predictions are of equal status to those of the so-called experts who, if we are really honest, don't know anymore than we do.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Apart from some disingenuous Press garbage I haven't seen anywhere that anyone is blaming Katharina Liebherr for the situation, I have seen a lot of disrespectful messages about her gender and her figure. I would rather see messages giving her support and encouraging her to continue her fathers dream. If the Club is to be sold then make sure it is the right option.[/p][/quote]Firstly, well said OSPREYSAINT, and secondly well done to DE for a good report. The Press and the pundits will have a field day (or two) speculating on what has gone on, and what the future holds for SFC. None of them - or us - can hope to know that - so all they, and we, can do is speculate. What we can do is make some sensible speculations and predictions on what we do know. It has been suggested that MP has agreed to stay on because he has KL's full backing. However, what do we understand by her 'full backing'? It cannot be that she believes in and supports NC's dream plan for the Club - otherwise, why did he leave? No, there's more to it than that. I deduce that KL does want to sell the Club. The value of that asset would drop dramatically if MP was to walk away immediately, followed by key players. I would suggest that she wants MP to keep the status off the Club at least where it is now, which gives her time to find buyers and negotiate a good sale at a top of the market price That's logical, and would explain MP's decision to stay until the end of the season, and not commit any further - yet. If KL was to find a buyer that also supported the 'dream', then MP's decision to stay on for the while makes eminent sense. He would then be keen to commit further with an opportunity to pursue his goals. And who knows, perhaps if that ambitious buyer could be found, with no Liebher influence Nicola might be persuaded to return as CEO if he sees a chance to continue his dream plan. After all, any ambitious new owner can see clearly what a successful duo - NC and MP - has been in charge. The worst case scenario is that KL sells to asset strippers - that would be disastrous for SFC, and the downward spiral would begin. Let's not go there for now! I believe my predictions are of equal status to those of the so-called experts who, if we are really honest, don't know anymore than we do. Egomaniac
  • Score: 9

12:09pm Fri 17 Jan 14

mbetts says...

Unfortunately post Lowe we're always sceptical about whoever's in charge of our club, the Liebherr's have been immense and will be forever held in high esteem by all Saints fans.

Hope they find the best person possible to take the club forward and if the past four years are anything to go by i'm 100% sure they will!
Unfortunately post Lowe we're always sceptical about whoever's in charge of our club, the Liebherr's have been immense and will be forever held in high esteem by all Saints fans. Hope they find the best person possible to take the club forward and if the past four years are anything to go by i'm 100% sure they will! mbetts
  • Score: 9

12:19pm Fri 17 Jan 14

itsnotjustice says...

people confuse the hell out of me..

years ago we were days from going under..

here we are with a multi billion pound owner, all be it a woman, and people are still moaning..

lets just see what she wants to do with the club... she might come to a few games, get the bug, and want to inverst heavily, afterall its HER money...

nicola wouldnt have wanted to spend CRAZY money because it would be his job on the line, to her a few hundred million is nothing...

im not saying it WILL happen, but who knows , it might just do..
people confuse the hell out of me.. years ago we were days from going under.. here we are with a multi billion pound owner, all be it a woman, and people are still moaning.. lets just see what she wants to do with the club... she might come to a few games, get the bug, and want to inverst heavily, afterall its HER money... nicola wouldnt have wanted to spend CRAZY money because it would be his job on the line, to her a few hundred million is nothing... im not saying it WILL happen, but who knows , it might just do.. itsnotjustice
  • Score: 5

12:57pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Thornhill Saint says...

montecristosaint wrote:
most of the reporting has been ill informed comment, often from individuals barely out of short trousers but who somehow are put in a position to post wild stories by irresponsible football web sites, nothing about Miss Liebherr suggests instability will follow, she has in fact been holding the purse strings all along and has not let the club or fans down. I will swear blind that this episode has all been to do with Cortese s management style, with Liebherr objecting to his treatment of the club as his personal plaything with lip services only being paid to the need to keep his employer in the loop. To be frank I would have shown even less patience than she did.
So long as the status quo is maintaained and payers retained, things will get back to normal quite quickly.
Interesting you would swear blind it washis management style. You are of course free to speculate what it was over, but that is all it is really. A bit of harmless speculation.

I think it was over the sale of the club myself.
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: most of the reporting has been ill informed comment, often from individuals barely out of short trousers but who somehow are put in a position to post wild stories by irresponsible football web sites, nothing about Miss Liebherr suggests instability will follow, she has in fact been holding the purse strings all along and has not let the club or fans down. I will swear blind that this episode has all been to do with Cortese s management style, with Liebherr objecting to his treatment of the club as his personal plaything with lip services only being paid to the need to keep his employer in the loop. To be frank I would have shown even less patience than she did. So long as the status quo is maintaained and payers retained, things will get back to normal quite quickly.[/p][/quote]Interesting you would swear blind it washis management style. You are of course free to speculate what it was over, but that is all it is really. A bit of harmless speculation. I think it was over the sale of the club myself. Thornhill Saint
  • Score: -1

12:57pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Thornhill Saint says...

montecristosaint wrote:
most of the reporting has been ill informed comment, often from individuals barely out of short trousers but who somehow are put in a position to post wild stories by irresponsible football web sites, nothing about Miss Liebherr suggests instability will follow, she has in fact been holding the purse strings all along and has not let the club or fans down. I will swear blind that this episode has all been to do with Cortese s management style, with Liebherr objecting to his treatment of the club as his personal plaything with lip services only being paid to the need to keep his employer in the loop. To be frank I would have shown even less patience than she did.
So long as the status quo is maintaained and payers retained, things will get back to normal quite quickly.
Interesting you would swear blind it washis management style. You are of course free to speculate what it was over, but that is all it is really. A bit of harmless speculation.

I think it was over the sale of the club myself.
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: most of the reporting has been ill informed comment, often from individuals barely out of short trousers but who somehow are put in a position to post wild stories by irresponsible football web sites, nothing about Miss Liebherr suggests instability will follow, she has in fact been holding the purse strings all along and has not let the club or fans down. I will swear blind that this episode has all been to do with Cortese s management style, with Liebherr objecting to his treatment of the club as his personal plaything with lip services only being paid to the need to keep his employer in the loop. To be frank I would have shown even less patience than she did. So long as the status quo is maintaained and payers retained, things will get back to normal quite quickly.[/p][/quote]Interesting you would swear blind it washis management style. You are of course free to speculate what it was over, but that is all it is really. A bit of harmless speculation. I think it was over the sale of the club myself. Thornhill Saint
  • Score: 0

1:11pm Fri 17 Jan 14

The Grinch says...

Lets see what Katharina Liebherr does. Clearly she's not a fool and is obviously capable of performing in significant business operations to best advantage.

It's a shame that Nicola Cortese has gone because his involvement has clearly been fantastic for Saints.

It will also be a shame if the club is sold as the Liebherrs' involvement has also been fantastic for Saints.

It will be a real shame too if Pochettino leaves, either shortly or at the end of the season.

However, there is no evidence currently of doom and gloom, just a feeling that what has happened is regrettable and what might happen is the unknown.

Southampton FC has much to look forward to. All we need to do is steady the ship for now and first and foremost carry on with the way we're going. Crucial to that, in my opinion, is keeping both the manager and players that we currently have in the short term.

On the field we're light for cover in central defence and I'm not convinced with have enough fire power up front unless Osvaldo can start demonstrating his true worth.
Lets see what Katharina Liebherr does. Clearly she's not a fool and is obviously capable of performing in significant business operations to best advantage. It's a shame that Nicola Cortese has gone because his involvement has clearly been fantastic for Saints. It will also be a shame if the club is sold as the Liebherrs' involvement has also been fantastic for Saints. It will be a real shame too if Pochettino leaves, either shortly or at the end of the season. However, there is no evidence currently of doom and gloom, just a feeling that what has happened is regrettable and what might happen is the unknown. Southampton FC has much to look forward to. All we need to do is steady the ship for now and first and foremost carry on with the way we're going. Crucial to that, in my opinion, is keeping both the manager and players that we currently have in the short term. On the field we're light for cover in central defence and I'm not convinced with have enough fire power up front unless Osvaldo can start demonstrating his true worth. The Grinch
  • Score: 2

1:37pm Fri 17 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

On the OS today our Chairman says NO players will be sold in the window, that is unusual in itself, a Chairman telling us something on the OS!
On the OS today our Chairman says NO players will be sold in the window, that is unusual in itself, a Chairman telling us something on the OS! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

3:41pm Fri 17 Jan 14

bobbeale53 says...

Cortese did a fantastic job managing the company for the Liebherrs' but lets face it, that was what he was paid to do, how he made his pay cheque.
I would like to think that they will now employ someone as equally talented to carry on with the plan, maybe even develop a new plan. Nothing I have heard or read has intimated that anything major like the Club being sold would actually happen. No one else has left. Management is in place and the owner has proved in her other business holdings that she is a very astute business woman.
We have been blessed with an owner that has been conent to sit back and let her management do what they are delegated to do, run the day to day affairs of the Club and realise the best return on their investment.
We could have been saddled with Owners like Cardiff or Hull who just want to meddle so I say let Katharina Liebherr get on with her business and we can carry on enjoying the entertainment that the team has been serving up for the last few years under her ownership
Cortese did a fantastic job managing the company for the Liebherrs' but lets face it, that was what he was paid to do, how he made his pay cheque. I would like to think that they will now employ someone as equally talented to carry on with the plan, maybe even develop a new plan. Nothing I have heard or read has intimated that anything major like the Club being sold would actually happen. No one else has left. Management is in place and the owner has proved in her other business holdings that she is a very astute business woman. We have been blessed with an owner that has been conent to sit back and let her management do what they are delegated to do, run the day to day affairs of the Club and realise the best return on their investment. We could have been saddled with Owners like Cardiff or Hull who just want to meddle so I say let Katharina Liebherr get on with her business and we can carry on enjoying the entertainment that the team has been serving up for the last few years under her ownership bobbeale53
  • Score: 4

3:58pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Mister E says...

A Well balanced article, well said! Impressed Daily Echo,
Articles in the national press are just typical a story is not worth writing unless it's sensationalised, that seems to pass as journalism. Lazy journalism or what? Let's not find out about Katharina, no, let's just insult her, and, as she's a woman so has to be clueless and all that happens around her is purely negative.
I'm aware she is part of the ownership/management of a very successful multi million pound business. Also Saints was her father's dream, Now,I'm no sleuth, but that took a split seconds thought! A further split seconds thought led me to acknowledge that Katharina is no fool as a business woman, and as her father's daughter she has honoured her father's memory where Saints are concerned!
Conclusions: Cortese's departure may be regrettable but may well be in the best interest of the club going forward. If she is considering selling the club, the best interests of the club will be paramount (as I mentioned honouring her father's memory) so the sale will only be to the 'right' buyer(s).
What if Cortese's resignation was accepted to allow him to be part of a subsequent purchase of Saints? Result, no conflicts of interest, and her father's memory and plans for Saints can be honoured by people who understand football, and one of his friends!
This may not come to pass, however, one thing I know, she is no fool and nor will she destroy her father's legacy!
A Well balanced article, well said! Impressed Daily Echo, Articles in the national press are just typical a story is not worth writing unless it's sensationalised, that seems to pass as journalism. Lazy journalism or what? Let's not find out about Katharina, no, let's just insult her, and, as she's a woman so has to be clueless and all that happens around her is purely negative. I'm aware she is part of the ownership/management of a very successful multi million pound business. Also Saints was her father's dream, Now,I'm no sleuth, but that took a split seconds thought! A further split seconds thought led me to acknowledge that Katharina is no fool as a business woman, and as her father's daughter she has honoured her father's memory where Saints are concerned! Conclusions: Cortese's departure may be regrettable but may well be in the best interest of the club going forward. If she is considering selling the club, the best interests of the club will be paramount (as I mentioned honouring her father's memory) so the sale will only be to the 'right' buyer(s). What if Cortese's resignation was accepted to allow him to be part of a subsequent purchase of Saints? Result, no conflicts of interest, and her father's memory and plans for Saints can be honoured by people who understand football, and one of his friends! This may not come to pass, however, one thing I know, she is no fool and nor will she destroy her father's legacy! Mister E
  • Score: 12

8:35pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Micle1974 says...

I wonder if Katrina is looking for a partner? Get in contact if you are Kat xxx
I wonder if Katrina is looking for a partner? Get in contact if you are Kat xxx Micle1974
  • Score: -5

9:50pm Fri 17 Jan 14

F Fan says...

itsnotjustice wrote:
people confuse the hell out of me..

years ago we were days from going under..

here we are with a multi billion pound owner, all be it a woman, and people are still moaning..

lets just see what she wants to do with the club... she might come to a few games, get the bug, and want to inverst heavily, afterall its HER money...

nicola wouldnt have wanted to spend CRAZY money because it would be his job on the line, to her a few hundred million is nothing...

im not saying it WILL happen, but who knows , it might just do..
What is wrong with you people - "all be it a woman" ? Women are real people, honest.. Be brave, speak to one. Overcome your insecurity.
[quote][p][bold]itsnotjustice[/bold] wrote: people confuse the hell out of me.. years ago we were days from going under.. here we are with a multi billion pound owner, all be it a woman, and people are still moaning.. lets just see what she wants to do with the club... she might come to a few games, get the bug, and want to inverst heavily, afterall its HER money... nicola wouldnt have wanted to spend CRAZY money because it would be his job on the line, to her a few hundred million is nothing... im not saying it WILL happen, but who knows , it might just do..[/p][/quote]What is wrong with you people - "all be it a woman" ? Women are real people, honest.. Be brave, speak to one. Overcome your insecurity. F Fan
  • Score: 4

9:54pm Fri 17 Jan 14

F Fan says...

itsnotjustice wrote:
people confuse the hell out of me..

years ago we were days from going under..

here we are with a multi billion pound owner, all be it a woman, and people are still moaning..

lets just see what she wants to do with the club... she might come to a few games, get the bug, and want to inverst heavily, afterall its HER money...

nicola wouldnt have wanted to spend CRAZY money because it would be his job on the line, to her a few hundred million is nothing...

im not saying it WILL happen, but who knows , it might just do..
What is wrong with you people - "all be it a woman" ? Women are real people, honest.. Be brave, speak to one. Overcome your insecurity.

Good article from Simon Carter.
[quote][p][bold]itsnotjustice[/bold] wrote: people confuse the hell out of me.. years ago we were days from going under.. here we are with a multi billion pound owner, all be it a woman, and people are still moaning.. lets just see what she wants to do with the club... she might come to a few games, get the bug, and want to inverst heavily, afterall its HER money... nicola wouldnt have wanted to spend CRAZY money because it would be his job on the line, to her a few hundred million is nothing... im not saying it WILL happen, but who knows , it might just do..[/p][/quote]What is wrong with you people - "all be it a woman" ? Women are real people, honest.. Be brave, speak to one. Overcome your insecurity. Good article from Simon Carter. F Fan
  • Score: 2

12:59am Sat 18 Jan 14

FindAndDestroy says...

Only time will tell....we just need to wait and see......For now lets get behind the team....

Saints season ticket holder ..... from Shirley.......
Only time will tell....we just need to wait and see......For now lets get behind the team.... Saints season ticket holder ..... from Shirley....... FindAndDestroy
  • Score: 4

6:47pm Sat 18 Jan 14

ShakeyWiffles says...

Love this article! Pity more aren't as balanced and well thought out as this.
Love this article! Pity more aren't as balanced and well thought out as this. ShakeyWiffles
  • Score: 0

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