Hands off Saints stars - Poch

Basingstoke Gazette: LUKE SHAW LUKE SHAW

MAURICIO Pochettino has fired an early New Year message to the Premier League’s big guns – hands off Luke Shaw and all our other youngsters!

Saints enter 2014 with teenage left-back Shaw being linked with a £20m move to Manchester United, while today’s St Mary’s visitors, Chelsea, are continually mentioned as Shaw’s next destination.

One national newspaper has even stated that Shaw will leave Saints this summer.

But Pochettino is adamant that is not the case, with Adam Lallana having also recently been linked to Old Trafford.

“Our idea is very clear – no young player is to leave this club,” insisted Pochettino.

“We want to keep our young players as that is the whole process of nurturing them and maturing them.

“We want them to play and have more experience, to make mistakes and to learn in the Premier League.

“It would be contradictory to go through this process to let them mature and then sell them off.

“It doesn’t make any sense so we want to keep them.”

Pochettino has had to repeatedly shoot down speculation linking his most prized assets with moves.

Just days before Christmas, he was again asked about Shaw’s future.

“It’s a very clear situation. The player wants to stay and the club is not willing to sell,” he answered.

“What we also need to consider is he still only 18, still progressing, still learning how to be an experienced player so we need to be very calm about the situation.

“It is taking him some time to mature as a player and I think all these rumours and this speculation around him is not beneficial for him.

“It’s negative for him.

“It’s also very clear what the project here at Southampton is – it’s a project of young players and Luke Shaw is a prime example of a young player who has come up through the ranks.

“What’s clear is that the player is not for sale and the player has stated he doesn’t want to go anywhere else.”

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7:44am Wed 1 Jan 14

TPFKARTSNINZ says...

HAPPY NEW YEAR to all Saints fans the World over!

Here's hoping 2014 gets off to a great start with a win over Chelski this afternoon!

COYR!
HAPPY NEW YEAR to all Saints fans the World over! Here's hoping 2014 gets off to a great start with a win over Chelski this afternoon! COYR! TPFKARTSNINZ

8:06am Wed 1 Jan 14

andoru says...

There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.
There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with. andoru

8:42am Wed 1 Jan 14

2010chappy says...

andoru wrote:
There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.
Difficult to change the rules when it suites you - some clubs that are struggling financially may need to sell.

Shaw is on a five year deal, how good will he be at the end of that contract?

£20m does not even touch it as far as a deal goes. Same as the £15m for Lallana, when the same reporter is quoting £30 and £40m for similar players who are older and without 4 years to run.

It is evident that the squad is still fragile when we pick up key injuries, how about we offer £8m for Bertrand from Chelsea and find a decent keeper - how about Fraser Forster?
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.[/p][/quote]Difficult to change the rules when it suites you - some clubs that are struggling financially may need to sell. Shaw is on a five year deal, how good will he be at the end of that contract? £20m does not even touch it as far as a deal goes. Same as the £15m for Lallana, when the same reporter is quoting £30 and £40m for similar players who are older and without 4 years to run. It is evident that the squad is still fragile when we pick up key injuries, how about we offer £8m for Bertrand from Chelsea and find a decent keeper - how about Fraser Forster? 2010chappy

9:04am Wed 1 Jan 14

andoru says...

2010chappy wrote:
andoru wrote:
There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.
Difficult to change the rules when it suites you - some clubs that are struggling financially may need to sell.

Shaw is on a five year deal, how good will he be at the end of that contract?

£20m does not even touch it as far as a deal goes. Same as the £15m for Lallana, when the same reporter is quoting £30 and £40m for similar players who are older and without 4 years to run.

It is evident that the squad is still fragile when we pick up key injuries, how about we offer £8m for Bertrand from Chelsea and find a decent keeper - how about Fraser Forster?
I don't think this only because it suits us right now. I just think poaching from your rivals is underhand way of doing things. When a club buys from a rival you have to ask yourself, did they do so to strengthen themselves or just to weaken the competition? In the case of Lallana and Shaw, if they went to Utd it wouldn't do much for Utd - they already have a championship-winning squad - but it would do massive damage to Saints. I don't accept this. Win with what you've got, not by taking what your rivals have got. Things are already heavily skewed in favour of the big teams. The rules should attempt to redress the imbalance in some way.

As for clubs needing the finances, if they don't have the finances to last a full season they shouldn't be allowed to start the season. No team should be relying on selling a player in January to tide themselves over and if they did all it would do is keep them afloat temporarily. I don't think that has ever happened though and not sure it would in the Premier League. Whatever, I think the rules have to be built around competitive fairness on the field, not financial concerns. After all, it's for sport that football exists, not business.
[quote][p][bold]2010chappy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.[/p][/quote]Difficult to change the rules when it suites you - some clubs that are struggling financially may need to sell. Shaw is on a five year deal, how good will he be at the end of that contract? £20m does not even touch it as far as a deal goes. Same as the £15m for Lallana, when the same reporter is quoting £30 and £40m for similar players who are older and without 4 years to run. It is evident that the squad is still fragile when we pick up key injuries, how about we offer £8m for Bertrand from Chelsea and find a decent keeper - how about Fraser Forster?[/p][/quote]I don't think this only because it suits us right now. I just think poaching from your rivals is underhand way of doing things. When a club buys from a rival you have to ask yourself, did they do so to strengthen themselves or just to weaken the competition? In the case of Lallana and Shaw, if they went to Utd it wouldn't do much for Utd - they already have a championship-winning squad - but it would do massive damage to Saints. I don't accept this. Win with what you've got, not by taking what your rivals have got. Things are already heavily skewed in favour of the big teams. The rules should attempt to redress the imbalance in some way. As for clubs needing the finances, if they don't have the finances to last a full season they shouldn't be allowed to start the season. No team should be relying on selling a player in January to tide themselves over and if they did all it would do is keep them afloat temporarily. I don't think that has ever happened though and not sure it would in the Premier League. Whatever, I think the rules have to be built around competitive fairness on the field, not financial concerns. After all, it's for sport that football exists, not business. andoru

9:06am Wed 1 Jan 14

petethephantom says...

2010chappy wrote:
andoru wrote:
There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.
Difficult to change the rules when it suites you - some clubs that are struggling financially may need to sell.

Shaw is on a five year deal, how good will he be at the end of that contract?

£20m does not even touch it as far as a deal goes. Same as the £15m for Lallana, when the same reporter is quoting £30 and £40m for similar players who are older and without 4 years to run.

It is evident that the squad is still fragile when we pick up key injuries, how about we offer £8m for Bertrand from Chelsea and find a decent keeper - how about Fraser Forster?
we have a good keeper in boruc and kelvin is ample in reserve,
just injuries cost us and poor defense and own goals,
i'd rather get more backs and put gazza out on loan to learn more , then when KD retires he can be #2,
just a thought
[quote][p][bold]2010chappy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.[/p][/quote]Difficult to change the rules when it suites you - some clubs that are struggling financially may need to sell. Shaw is on a five year deal, how good will he be at the end of that contract? £20m does not even touch it as far as a deal goes. Same as the £15m for Lallana, when the same reporter is quoting £30 and £40m for similar players who are older and without 4 years to run. It is evident that the squad is still fragile when we pick up key injuries, how about we offer £8m for Bertrand from Chelsea and find a decent keeper - how about Fraser Forster?[/p][/quote]we have a good keeper in boruc and kelvin is ample in reserve, just injuries cost us and poor defense and own goals, i'd rather get more backs and put gazza out on loan to learn more , then when KD retires he can be #2, just a thought petethephantom

9:57am Wed 1 Jan 14

Clever Dick says...

It's fortunate for us then that we are no longer a smaller less wealthy club. It's a bit simplistic to say that same league transfers should be banned. A club might be forced to sell a player in order to keep within the new financial restrictions. Say for instance we decided we could move on Gaston in order to bring in another striker or pacey winger . I think the bottom line as far as we are concerned is that we don't have to sell any player if we don't want to. That may be difficult if a player wants to go to a so called bigger club, but it's not impossile to keep anybody. It's happenened in the past with a player like Stan Collymore and maybe more recenty with Leighton Baines. And we seem have the best persuader of all in NC. I think all of our players have seen enough of him to know that if he says no then that means no. Certainly if we do lose anybody it will be for a huge fee which should enable us to get in quality replacements. As the saying goes in football everybody has a price ,but it has to be a silly price. E.G Gareth Bale and Christiano Ronaldo. Anyway Happy New Year everyone. I'm off to the game soon and expecting to get very wet (and 3 points)
It's fortunate for us then that we are no longer a smaller less wealthy club. It's a bit simplistic to say that same league transfers should be banned. A club might be forced to sell a player in order to keep within the new financial restrictions. Say for instance we decided we could move on Gaston in order to bring in another striker or pacey winger . I think the bottom line as far as we are concerned is that we don't have to sell any player if we don't want to. That may be difficult if a player wants to go to a so called bigger club, but it's not impossile to keep anybody. It's happenened in the past with a player like Stan Collymore and maybe more recenty with Leighton Baines. And we seem have the best persuader of all in NC. I think all of our players have seen enough of him to know that if he says no then that means no. Certainly if we do lose anybody it will be for a huge fee which should enable us to get in quality replacements. As the saying goes in football everybody has a price ,but it has to be a silly price. E.G Gareth Bale and Christiano Ronaldo. Anyway Happy New Year everyone. I'm off to the game soon and expecting to get very wet (and 3 points) Clever Dick

10:27am Wed 1 Jan 14

andoru says...

Clever Dick wrote:
It's fortunate for us then that we are no longer a smaller less wealthy club. It's a bit simplistic to say that same league transfers should be banned. A club might be forced to sell a player in order to keep within the new financial restrictions. Say for instance we decided we could move on Gaston in order to bring in another striker or pacey winger . I think the bottom line as far as we are concerned is that we don't have to sell any player if we don't want to. That may be difficult if a player wants to go to a so called bigger club, but it's not impossile to keep anybody. It's happenened in the past with a player like Stan Collymore and maybe more recenty with Leighton Baines. And we seem have the best persuader of all in NC. I think all of our players have seen enough of him to know that if he says no then that means no. Certainly if we do lose anybody it will be for a huge fee which should enable us to get in quality replacements. As the saying goes in football everybody has a price ,but it has to be a silly price. E.G Gareth Bale and Christiano Ronaldo. Anyway Happy New Year everyone. I'm off to the game soon and expecting to get very wet (and 3 points)
Naturally there are complications, and I'm not saying it should be introduced right now, but it could be done. Give clubs a bit of notice, say three years, and then bring it in. If they know it's going to happen they'll prepare accordingly, just as they had to with the January transfer window when it was introduced. It used to be that you could buy and sell at any time. They stopped that to improve stability in teams during a season (among other reasons). This is just an extension of that logic. It doesn't help stability to have players leave one club for a rival mid-season. Suppose the team right above yours gets your best performer? That team is more likely to pull away from you. That's what could happen with Utd if they got Lallana.

Arsene Wenger proposes a two-player limit in the window. This is also an option, but doesn't stop big clubs waving their cash around and tempting players across. I just don't like the idea that a player can, in the middle of a season, take a look at the table and go, "Oh, looks like I have a better chance at European football this year with Team X. Guess I'll go there." and then move.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: It's fortunate for us then that we are no longer a smaller less wealthy club. It's a bit simplistic to say that same league transfers should be banned. A club might be forced to sell a player in order to keep within the new financial restrictions. Say for instance we decided we could move on Gaston in order to bring in another striker or pacey winger . I think the bottom line as far as we are concerned is that we don't have to sell any player if we don't want to. That may be difficult if a player wants to go to a so called bigger club, but it's not impossile to keep anybody. It's happenened in the past with a player like Stan Collymore and maybe more recenty with Leighton Baines. And we seem have the best persuader of all in NC. I think all of our players have seen enough of him to know that if he says no then that means no. Certainly if we do lose anybody it will be for a huge fee which should enable us to get in quality replacements. As the saying goes in football everybody has a price ,but it has to be a silly price. E.G Gareth Bale and Christiano Ronaldo. Anyway Happy New Year everyone. I'm off to the game soon and expecting to get very wet (and 3 points)[/p][/quote]Naturally there are complications, and I'm not saying it should be introduced right now, but it could be done. Give clubs a bit of notice, say three years, and then bring it in. If they know it's going to happen they'll prepare accordingly, just as they had to with the January transfer window when it was introduced. It used to be that you could buy and sell at any time. They stopped that to improve stability in teams during a season (among other reasons). This is just an extension of that logic. It doesn't help stability to have players leave one club for a rival mid-season. Suppose the team right above yours gets your best performer? That team is more likely to pull away from you. That's what could happen with Utd if they got Lallana. Arsene Wenger proposes a two-player limit in the window. This is also an option, but doesn't stop big clubs waving their cash around and tempting players across. I just don't like the idea that a player can, in the middle of a season, take a look at the table and go, "Oh, looks like I have a better chance at European football this year with Team X. Guess I'll go there." and then move. andoru

10:29am Wed 1 Jan 14

andygoater1957 says...

petethephantom wrote:
2010chappy wrote:
andoru wrote:
There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.
Difficult to change the rules when it suites you - some clubs that are struggling financially may need to sell.

Shaw is on a five year deal, how good will he be at the end of that contract?

£20m does not even touch it as far as a deal goes. Same as the £15m for Lallana, when the same reporter is quoting £30 and £40m for similar players who are older and without 4 years to run.

It is evident that the squad is still fragile when we pick up key injuries, how about we offer £8m for Bertrand from Chelsea and find a decent keeper - how about Fraser Forster?
we have a good keeper in boruc and kelvin is ample in reserve,
just injuries cost us and poor defense and own goals,
i'd rather get more backs and put gazza out on loan to learn more , then when KD retires he can be #2,
just a thought
We need two world class keepers not one in Boruc.
[quote][p][bold]petethephantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]2010chappy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.[/p][/quote]Difficult to change the rules when it suites you - some clubs that are struggling financially may need to sell. Shaw is on a five year deal, how good will he be at the end of that contract? £20m does not even touch it as far as a deal goes. Same as the £15m for Lallana, when the same reporter is quoting £30 and £40m for similar players who are older and without 4 years to run. It is evident that the squad is still fragile when we pick up key injuries, how about we offer £8m for Bertrand from Chelsea and find a decent keeper - how about Fraser Forster?[/p][/quote]we have a good keeper in boruc and kelvin is ample in reserve, just injuries cost us and poor defense and own goals, i'd rather get more backs and put gazza out on loan to learn more , then when KD retires he can be #2, just a thought[/p][/quote]We need two world class keepers not one in Boruc. andygoater1957

10:38am Wed 1 Jan 14

SaintMark says...

andygoater1957 wrote:
petethephantom wrote:
2010chappy wrote:
andoru wrote:
There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.
Difficult to change the rules when it suites you - some clubs that are struggling financially may need to sell.

Shaw is on a five year deal, how good will he be at the end of that contract?

£20m does not even touch it as far as a deal goes. Same as the £15m for Lallana, when the same reporter is quoting £30 and £40m for similar players who are older and without 4 years to run.

It is evident that the squad is still fragile when we pick up key injuries, how about we offer £8m for Bertrand from Chelsea and find a decent keeper - how about Fraser Forster?
we have a good keeper in boruc and kelvin is ample in reserve,
just injuries cost us and poor defense and own goals,
i'd rather get more backs and put gazza out on loan to learn more , then when KD retires he can be #2,
just a thought
We need two world class keepers not one in Boruc.
World class = top 5-6 in the world. And we need two of them? Let's chuck in Messi and Ronaldo up front as we'll seeing as we need world class.
[quote][p][bold]andygoater1957[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]petethephantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]2010chappy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.[/p][/quote]Difficult to change the rules when it suites you - some clubs that are struggling financially may need to sell. Shaw is on a five year deal, how good will he be at the end of that contract? £20m does not even touch it as far as a deal goes. Same as the £15m for Lallana, when the same reporter is quoting £30 and £40m for similar players who are older and without 4 years to run. It is evident that the squad is still fragile when we pick up key injuries, how about we offer £8m for Bertrand from Chelsea and find a decent keeper - how about Fraser Forster?[/p][/quote]we have a good keeper in boruc and kelvin is ample in reserve, just injuries cost us and poor defense and own goals, i'd rather get more backs and put gazza out on loan to learn more , then when KD retires he can be #2, just a thought[/p][/quote]We need two world class keepers not one in Boruc.[/p][/quote]World class = top 5-6 in the world. And we need two of them? Let's chuck in Messi and Ronaldo up front as we'll seeing as we need world class. SaintMark

10:44am Wed 1 Jan 14

saint61 says...

SSN just confirmed West Ham in 8 million pound talks with Rickie
SSN just confirmed West Ham in 8 million pound talks with Rickie saint61

10:59am Wed 1 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

saint61 wrote:
SSN just confirmed West Ham in 8 million pound talks with Rickie
Without a suitable replacement it wouldn't be a good idea to let him go at the moment, but nothing would surprise me these days. I hope he stays.
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: SSN just confirmed West Ham in 8 million pound talks with Rickie[/p][/quote]Without a suitable replacement it wouldn't be a good idea to let him go at the moment, but nothing would surprise me these days. I hope he stays. OSPREYSAINT

11:01am Wed 1 Jan 14

Santa Retfordia says...

andoru wrote:
There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.
I dunno. I reckon we should put in a bid for Eden Hazard. He's too good for those blue, cockney, wife-beating, scumbag pikies.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.[/p][/quote]I dunno. I reckon we should put in a bid for Eden Hazard. He's too good for those blue, cockney, wife-beating, scumbag pikies. Santa Retfordia

11:02am Wed 1 Jan 14

Costa Baz says...

Looking at the photo galleries, on the OS, it would seem that we have a very happy group of players, which bodes well with regards to retaining players.
With all our current crop of young stars on lengthy contracts, it has to be hoped that they have realistic thoughts as to how soon Saints will be able to give them a crack at European football, and as such will honour their contracts, whilst the squad strength grows around them.

So we have to hope that our young stars are prepared to put loyalty and happiness ahead of immediate ambition and probable higher wages, whilst also hoping they aren't being advised by Oxlade Chaberlain's dad, or someone similar, looking for a payday of their own.
Looking at the photo galleries, on the OS, it would seem that we have a very happy group of players, which bodes well with regards to retaining players. With all our current crop of young stars on lengthy contracts, it has to be hoped that they have realistic thoughts as to how soon Saints will be able to give them a crack at European football, and as such will honour their contracts, whilst the squad strength grows around them. So we have to hope that our young stars are prepared to put loyalty and happiness ahead of immediate ambition and probable higher wages, whilst also hoping they aren't being advised by Oxlade Chaberlain's dad, or someone similar, looking for a payday of their own. Costa Baz

11:03am Wed 1 Jan 14

andoru says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
andoru wrote:
There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.
I dunno. I reckon we should put in a bid for Eden Hazard. He's too good for those blue, cockney, wife-beating, scumbag pikies.
Well, we can word the rule such that teams can buy from sides above them, but not below. :-)
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.[/p][/quote]I dunno. I reckon we should put in a bid for Eden Hazard. He's too good for those blue, cockney, wife-beating, scumbag pikies.[/p][/quote]Well, we can word the rule such that teams can buy from sides above them, but not below. :-) andoru

11:05am Wed 1 Jan 14

Santa Retfordia says...

PS serious question: is there a better English player than Adam Lallana right now? The boy has gone proper next-level CRAZYSKILLZ and has all the confidence to match without ever, ever being greedy with it. He's going to be a star at the World Cup.
PS serious question: is there a better English player than Adam Lallana right now? The boy has gone proper next-level CRAZYSKILLZ and has all the confidence to match without ever, ever being greedy with it. He's going to be a star at the World Cup. Santa Retfordia

11:07am Wed 1 Jan 14

Clever Dick says...

saint61 wrote:
SSN just confirmed West Ham in 8 million pound talks with Rickie
It would be a huge shame if Rickie moved on. Especially if it were to play hoof ball. Anyway if we are considering this and they are offering £8mil then we should push them for £12mil. It seems unbelievable that such a huge talisman for the club would actually have cost us nothing at all. In fact we will have made a profit even taking wages into account. At least it would demonstrate to the England set up that he is better than Andy "elbows" Carroll when he gets picked ahead of him every week. Can't see it happening myself but never say never in football.
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: SSN just confirmed West Ham in 8 million pound talks with Rickie[/p][/quote]It would be a huge shame if Rickie moved on. Especially if it were to play hoof ball. Anyway if we are considering this and they are offering £8mil then we should push them for £12mil. It seems unbelievable that such a huge talisman for the club would actually have cost us nothing at all. In fact we will have made a profit even taking wages into account. At least it would demonstrate to the England set up that he is better than Andy "elbows" Carroll when he gets picked ahead of him every week. Can't see it happening myself but never say never in football. Clever Dick

11:11am Wed 1 Jan 14

Clever Dick says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
andoru wrote:
There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.
I dunno. I reckon we should put in a bid for Eden Hazard. He's too good for those blue, cockney, wife-beating, scumbag pikies.
I'm getting a feeling you don't like 'em much.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.[/p][/quote]I dunno. I reckon we should put in a bid for Eden Hazard. He's too good for those blue, cockney, wife-beating, scumbag pikies.[/p][/quote]I'm getting a feeling you don't like 'em much. Clever Dick

11:46am Wed 1 Jan 14

el caballo santos101 says...

andoru wrote:
2010chappy wrote:
andoru wrote:
There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.
Difficult to change the rules when it suites you - some clubs that are struggling financially may need to sell.

Shaw is on a five year deal, how good will he be at the end of that contract?

£20m does not even touch it as far as a deal goes. Same as the £15m for Lallana, when the same reporter is quoting £30 and £40m for similar players who are older and without 4 years to run.

It is evident that the squad is still fragile when we pick up key injuries, how about we offer £8m for Bertrand from Chelsea and find a decent keeper - how about Fraser Forster?
I don't think this only because it suits us right now. I just think poaching from your rivals is underhand way of doing things. When a club buys from a rival you have to ask yourself, did they do so to strengthen themselves or just to weaken the competition? In the case of Lallana and Shaw, if they went to Utd it wouldn't do much for Utd - they already have a championship-winning squad - but it would do massive damage to Saints. I don't accept this. Win with what you've got, not by taking what your rivals have got. Things are already heavily skewed in favour of the big teams. The rules should attempt to redress the imbalance in some way.

As for clubs needing the finances, if they don't have the finances to last a full season they shouldn't be allowed to start the season. No team should be relying on selling a player in January to tide themselves over and if they did all it would do is keep them afloat temporarily. I don't think that has ever happened though and not sure it would in the Premier League. Whatever, I think the rules have to be built around competitive fairness on the field, not financial concerns. After all, it's for sport that football exists, not business.
manure are running at around £350-£400million debt, and rising, so they dont have the finances to run a full season? of course they do because they can finance the debt at any time. manure aren't the only team to run such high levels of debt, chelski are doing the same. so how would you decide what clubs don't have the finances to run a full season? I am obviously leaving out the fact that the fa would have to employ hundreds/thousands of accountants and lawyers to go through every single aspect of a clubs finances including players contracts!
restricting which clubs teams can buy from would never get past European laws anyway.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]2010chappy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.[/p][/quote]Difficult to change the rules when it suites you - some clubs that are struggling financially may need to sell. Shaw is on a five year deal, how good will he be at the end of that contract? £20m does not even touch it as far as a deal goes. Same as the £15m for Lallana, when the same reporter is quoting £30 and £40m for similar players who are older and without 4 years to run. It is evident that the squad is still fragile when we pick up key injuries, how about we offer £8m for Bertrand from Chelsea and find a decent keeper - how about Fraser Forster?[/p][/quote]I don't think this only because it suits us right now. I just think poaching from your rivals is underhand way of doing things. When a club buys from a rival you have to ask yourself, did they do so to strengthen themselves or just to weaken the competition? In the case of Lallana and Shaw, if they went to Utd it wouldn't do much for Utd - they already have a championship-winning squad - but it would do massive damage to Saints. I don't accept this. Win with what you've got, not by taking what your rivals have got. Things are already heavily skewed in favour of the big teams. The rules should attempt to redress the imbalance in some way. As for clubs needing the finances, if they don't have the finances to last a full season they shouldn't be allowed to start the season. No team should be relying on selling a player in January to tide themselves over and if they did all it would do is keep them afloat temporarily. I don't think that has ever happened though and not sure it would in the Premier League. Whatever, I think the rules have to be built around competitive fairness on the field, not financial concerns. After all, it's for sport that football exists, not business.[/p][/quote]manure are running at around £350-£400million debt, and rising, so they dont have the finances to run a full season? of course they do because they can finance the debt at any time. manure aren't the only team to run such high levels of debt, chelski are doing the same. so how would you decide what clubs don't have the finances to run a full season? I am obviously leaving out the fact that the fa would have to employ hundreds/thousands of accountants and lawyers to go through every single aspect of a clubs finances including players contracts! restricting which clubs teams can buy from would never get past European laws anyway. el caballo santos101

11:51am Wed 1 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Chelsea have revealed a £49.4m loss up to June 2013, just within their acceptable £50m target.
Chelsea have revealed a £49.4m loss up to June 2013, just within their acceptable £50m target. OSPREYSAINT

12:07pm Wed 1 Jan 14

arm chair fan says...

Clever Dick wrote:
saint61 wrote:
SSN just confirmed West Ham in 8 million pound talks with Rickie
It would be a huge shame if Rickie moved on. Especially if it were to play hoof ball. Anyway if we are considering this and they are offering £8mil then we should push them for £12mil. It seems unbelievable that such a huge talisman for the club would actually have cost us nothing at all. In fact we will have made a profit even taking wages into account. At least it would demonstrate to the England set up that he is better than Andy "elbows" Carroll when he gets picked ahead of him every week. Can't see it happening myself but never say never in football.
As a fan i am screaming no! Don't sell him . A business man might just think 8m is a lot of cash for any player top side of 30 ! With jrod pushed up, Danni and young Sam coming through it might be good business . Plus a big payday for Rickie
Heart said no Don't! head said he might .
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: SSN just confirmed West Ham in 8 million pound talks with Rickie[/p][/quote]It would be a huge shame if Rickie moved on. Especially if it were to play hoof ball. Anyway if we are considering this and they are offering £8mil then we should push them for £12mil. It seems unbelievable that such a huge talisman for the club would actually have cost us nothing at all. In fact we will have made a profit even taking wages into account. At least it would demonstrate to the England set up that he is better than Andy "elbows" Carroll when he gets picked ahead of him every week. Can't see it happening myself but never say never in football.[/p][/quote]As a fan i am screaming no! Don't sell him . A business man might just think 8m is a lot of cash for any player top side of 30 ! With jrod pushed up, Danni and young Sam coming through it might be good business . Plus a big payday for Rickie Heart said no Don't! head said he might . arm chair fan

12:27pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

arm chair fan wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
saint61 wrote:
SSN just confirmed West Ham in 8 million pound talks with Rickie
It would be a huge shame if Rickie moved on. Especially if it were to play hoof ball. Anyway if we are considering this and they are offering £8mil then we should push them for £12mil. It seems unbelievable that such a huge talisman for the club would actually have cost us nothing at all. In fact we will have made a profit even taking wages into account. At least it would demonstrate to the England set up that he is better than Andy "elbows" Carroll when he gets picked ahead of him every week. Can't see it happening myself but never say never in football.
As a fan i am screaming no! Don't sell him . A business man might just think 8m is a lot of cash for any player top side of 30 ! With jrod pushed up, Danni and young Sam coming through it might be good business . Plus a big payday for Rickie
Heart said no Don't! head said he might .
Danni has yet to establish himself and Sam has a total of about ten minutes experience. Jay Rod has improved dramatically but does not have the touch, and possibly never will, that Rickie has.
[quote][p][bold]arm chair fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: SSN just confirmed West Ham in 8 million pound talks with Rickie[/p][/quote]It would be a huge shame if Rickie moved on. Especially if it were to play hoof ball. Anyway if we are considering this and they are offering £8mil then we should push them for £12mil. It seems unbelievable that such a huge talisman for the club would actually have cost us nothing at all. In fact we will have made a profit even taking wages into account. At least it would demonstrate to the England set up that he is better than Andy "elbows" Carroll when he gets picked ahead of him every week. Can't see it happening myself but never say never in football.[/p][/quote]As a fan i am screaming no! Don't sell him . A business man might just think 8m is a lot of cash for any player top side of 30 ! With jrod pushed up, Danni and young Sam coming through it might be good business . Plus a big payday for Rickie Heart said no Don't! head said he might .[/p][/quote]Danni has yet to establish himself and Sam has a total of about ten minutes experience. Jay Rod has improved dramatically but does not have the touch, and possibly never will, that Rickie has. Seedhouse the Unrepentant

12:44pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Tony in Liberia says...

I'd keep Rickie until he hangs up boots, and then beyond. But then again, I'd have kept Le Tiss & Frannie Benali on the books, and brought them on for the last 5 minutes of any game we were winning four-nil, just to clap the b*gg*rs again, so I wouldn't take much notice of anything I say.

On the other hand, if I was Rickie, and MoPo told me I would be getting less and less time on the pitch, while WH were offering me a bucketload of money & one last big payday before a retirement that can't be more than a couple of years away, I'd seriously consider it - especially if Spam go down anyway, and he gets another payday.

It all depends how committed he is to the Saints project, and if the club want to keep him on to work with the youngsters after he leaves.

And of course, there are those rumours that he can't train properly any more, so if the Saints medics know that he isn't going to be able to produce the goods for much longer, a £10 million fee wouldn't be such a bad idea ...

However, bottom line, I'd keep him for the simple reason that "he stands at nearly 6t ft 3, he'll take us to the champions league" has got to be the best football song we've got, since we got rid of "he sh1ts where he wants" Puncheon...
I'd keep Rickie until he hangs up boots, and then beyond. But then again, I'd have kept Le Tiss & Frannie Benali on the books, and brought them on for the last 5 minutes of any game we were winning four-nil, just to clap the b*gg*rs again, so I wouldn't take much notice of anything I say. On the other hand, if I was Rickie, and MoPo told me I would be getting less and less time on the pitch, while WH were offering me a bucketload of money & one last big payday before a retirement that can't be more than a couple of years away, I'd seriously consider it - especially if Spam go down anyway, and he gets another payday. It all depends how committed he is to the Saints project, and if the club want to keep him on to work with the youngsters after he leaves. And of course, there are those rumours that he can't train properly any more, so if the Saints medics know that he isn't going to be able to produce the goods for much longer, a £10 million fee wouldn't be such a bad idea ... However, bottom line, I'd keep him for the simple reason that "he stands at nearly 6t ft 3, he'll take us to the champions league" has got to be the best football song we've got, since we got rid of "he sh1ts where he wants" Puncheon... Tony in Liberia

12:53pm Wed 1 Jan 14

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
saint61 wrote:
SSN just confirmed West Ham in 8 million pound talks with Rickie
Without a suitable replacement it wouldn't be a good idea to let him go at the moment, but nothing would surprise me these days. I hope he stays.
AGREE.

We are a Team with lots of possession - but still lack goals.

WHY WOULD WE WANT TO HELP WET SPAM AND DO AWAY WITH A GOAL SCORER AND PLAYMAKER.

KEEP SRL.

COYR
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: SSN just confirmed West Ham in 8 million pound talks with Rickie[/p][/quote]Without a suitable replacement it wouldn't be a good idea to let him go at the moment, but nothing would surprise me these days. I hope he stays.[/p][/quote]AGREE. We are a Team with lots of possession - but still lack goals. WHY WOULD WE WANT TO HELP WET SPAM AND DO AWAY WITH A GOAL SCORER AND PLAYMAKER. KEEP SRL. COYR REDARMYRULETHESOUTH

1:01pm Wed 1 Jan 14

hedge end bob says...

saint61 wrote:
SSN just confirmed West Ham in 8 million pound talks with Rickie
After a recent ENGLAND GAME , Rickie, i believe spoke from his heart . If my old memory serves me right he spoke of SOUTHAMPTON with as much passion and effection as he would about his home town. He loves the club it's fans and the South coast.
I think we can mark this down as the first rummour of 2014.
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE.
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: SSN just confirmed West Ham in 8 million pound talks with Rickie[/p][/quote]After a recent ENGLAND GAME , Rickie, i believe spoke from his heart . If my old memory serves me right he spoke of SOUTHAMPTON with as much passion and effection as he would about his home town. He loves the club it's fans and the South coast. I think we can mark this down as the first rummour of 2014. HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE. hedge end bob

1:03pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Santa Retfordia says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
andoru wrote: There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.
I dunno. I reckon we should put in a bid for Eden Hazard. He's too good for those blue, cockney, wife-beating, scumbag pikies.
I'm getting a feeling you don't like 'em much.
Not in the least. I really, really hope we fcuk them up today.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: There should be a policy that you can't buy from other clubs in your division during the January window, or else the big clubs can just go and raid the smaller, less wealthy ones for their talents in order to maintain the gap. They can be from other leagues or from lower divisions, not from teams you are currently in competition with.[/p][/quote]I dunno. I reckon we should put in a bid for Eden Hazard. He's too good for those blue, cockney, wife-beating, scumbag pikies.[/p][/quote]I'm getting a feeling you don't like 'em much.[/p][/quote]Not in the least. I really, really hope we fcuk them up today. Santa Retfordia

1:10pm Wed 1 Jan 14

St.Yorkie says...

On the Lambert move - he would be a massive loss. We do almost everything through him. We have no one else in that mould in the squad. He may be 30+ but honestly even as an impact player off the bench he can still be very effective.
FatSam knows what he offers else he wouldn't be in for him!
If I was SRL I have a big decision to make. Sure there's the money, but what about my long term fitness? MoPo works me hard and the regime at Staplewood is very hard. It keeps me on the straight and narrow - may give me more time at the top level. I have a chance of going to Brazil - do I neeed to move to a struggling team? What would that do for my chances?
I really like it here - why would I move?
All hearsay I know - but honestly unless he is fed up with the style we play and all the additional stress added by MoPo's demands on his body (and we can only speculate about this) he's going nowhere hopefully.
If he does move on he will always be one of my all time favourite players and will always demand respect if he ever plays against us!
On the Lambert move - he would be a massive loss. We do almost everything through him. We have no one else in that mould in the squad. He may be 30+ but honestly even as an impact player off the bench he can still be very effective. FatSam knows what he offers else he wouldn't be in for him! If I was SRL I have a big decision to make. Sure there's the money, but what about my long term fitness? MoPo works me hard and the regime at Staplewood is very hard. It keeps me on the straight and narrow - may give me more time at the top level. I have a chance of going to Brazil - do I neeed to move to a struggling team? What would that do for my chances? I really like it here - why would I move? All hearsay I know - but honestly unless he is fed up with the style we play and all the additional stress added by MoPo's demands on his body (and we can only speculate about this) he's going nowhere hopefully. If he does move on he will always be one of my all time favourite players and will always demand respect if he ever plays against us! St.Yorkie

1:13pm Wed 1 Jan 14

dadofmy3sons says...

Rickie has done brilliantly for us.
BUT
He is now 30+
He doesn't fit the mould any longer.
We have 4 or 5 players vieing for the main forward spot and they all have skills to bring to the role.
Will we move to a forward line of five with no centre forward?
We have the players to do this and it has proved occasionnally successful for some and could be another twist in "the Saints way"
Rickie probably won't be going to Brazil, I think Adam will and Jay will improve enough to be in with a shout if he scores more.
What an exciting time to be a Saints fan.
we just don't know what is going to happen next.
Rickie has done brilliantly for us. BUT He is now 30+ He doesn't fit the mould any longer. We have 4 or 5 players vieing for the main forward spot and they all have skills to bring to the role. Will we move to a forward line of five with no centre forward? We have the players to do this and it has proved occasionnally successful for some and could be another twist in "the Saints way" Rickie probably won't be going to Brazil, I think Adam will and Jay will improve enough to be in with a shout if he scores more. What an exciting time to be a Saints fan. we just don't know what is going to happen next. dadofmy3sons

1:28pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

Apart from Fox or Guly there isn't one player I would like to see go in this window.

Bit more cover for the defence maybe but otherwise I'm really happy with the squad right now.

Lambert to West Ham would be a huge step back for him. I just can't see how he could possibly consider that a move there would be of any use to him. He's clearly stated that he wants to see out his career at Saints, he's still getting loads of game time and the goal tally is ticking over nicely.

wishful thanking by fatsam and the spammers I think.
Apart from Fox or Guly there isn't one player I would like to see go in this window. Bit more cover for the defence maybe but otherwise I'm really happy with the squad right now. Lambert to West Ham would be a huge step back for him. I just can't see how he could possibly consider that a move there would be of any use to him. He's clearly stated that he wants to see out his career at Saints, he's still getting loads of game time and the goal tally is ticking over nicely. wishful thanking by fatsam and the spammers I think. Stroppy_gramps

11:01pm Wed 1 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Chelsea have revealed a £49.4m loss up to June 2013, just within their acceptable £50m target.
Strangely enough that close to the sum of the worth of the two players that came off the bench today and did the damage, there is no justice.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Chelsea have revealed a £49.4m loss up to June 2013, just within their acceptable £50m target.[/p][/quote]Strangely enough that close to the sum of the worth of the two players that came off the bench today and did the damage, there is no justice. OSPREYSAINT

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