Saints stunned by Cardiff smash-and-grab

Saints stunned by Cardiff smash-and-grab

Saints stunned by Cardiff smash-and-grab

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Cardiff's survival hopes received a timely shot in the arm as Juan Cala's exquisite strike secured a smash-and-grab win at Saints.

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's side were seen as relegation certainties heading to St Mary's, yet they secured an invaluable 1-0 win against the odds.

This was just Cardiff's third league victory in the last four months and saw the Barclays Premier League's worst travellers secure just their second win on the road this term.

It was the perfect response to the controversy surrounding claims in the build-up that last week's team that lost 3-0 to Crystal Palace had been leaked to their opponents.

Basingstoke Gazette:

The Welsh side looked set to suffer a similarly large defeat at St Mary's after a woeful first half in which Gaston Ramirez rattled the crossbar.

However, wayward finishing and a fine display from goalkeeper David Marshall kept the hosts at bay, allowing the away side to sneak an improbable win from a surprising source.

Having failed to clear their line, Cala - one of four changes from last weekend's embarrassing loss - showed poise and skill few would expect from a centre-back to strike home from the edge of the box.

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Mauricio Pochettino's side pressed for a late leveller but it was not to be as they failed to score for just the sixth time this season, giving Solskjaer's men a huge three points.

Saints made one change for the match as Ramirez came in for the injured Jay Rodriguez, who the hosts' players showed support for in the warm-up by wearing training shirts with the number nine on the back.

The in-form forward's absence did little to stop Southampton's attacking flow, though, and Cala had to be alert early to prevent an early Luke Shaw cross being tucked away.

Basingstoke Gazette:

The Spanish centre-back did well to deny Adam Lallana soon after and Fabio deflected a Steven Davis cross behind as Cardiff were pinned back.

Peter Whittingham attempted to catch out Saints goalkeeper Paulo Gazzaniga from a free-kick in a rare moment of respite for the visitors.

Lambert headed over at the far post as Saints upped the ante, with Ramirez hitting a fizzing effort which rattled the crossbar after taking a slight deflection off Steven Caulker.

Marshall did well to claw away a 22-yard free-kick from Lambert as the hosts continued in the ascendancy, with pair going head-to-head again when the England forward wriggled free to prod goalwards.

Basingstoke Gazette:

Referee Jon Moss waved away appeals for handball against Caulker as half-time approached, before which Whittingham attempted to catch Gazzaniga out direct from a corner.

The Argentinian goalkeeper, playing due to injuries to Artur Boruc and Kelvin Davis was clearly being targeted at set plays but City were struggling unsettle him.

Solskjaer brought on Wilfried Zaha early in the second half in a bid to add a new attacking dimension to a Cardiff side, who only had a Jordon Mutch effort from distance to show for their endeavours in the 15 minutes after the restart.

Morgan Schneiderlin and Ramirez had shots blocked in that time as Saints continued to dominate, with Lambert nodding over a fine Calum Chambers cross.

Ramirez comically collapsed in a heap when trying to control a Jack Cork ball over the top - a let-off for Cardiff given the Uruguayan playmaker was clean through.

It was the latest in a long line of missed opportunities that the home side were made to rue in the 65th minute.

Basingstoke Gazette:

Having failed to clear their lines, Cala took the loose ball on his chest, jinked free and unleashed a wondrous left-footed drive past Gazzaniga to the delight of 2,404 travelling fans.

Nathaniel Clyne and Sam Gallagher came on as Saints looked for a response, with the latter quickly in the action.

Having just failed to meet a Lambert header, the teenager soon collected a chipped ball from Schneiderlin - only to be denied by Marshall.

The Scotland international came under increasing pressure as the clock wound down and denied Clyne by wonderfully tipping wide.

Basingstoke Gazette:

Guly do Prado failed with a tame header and Lambert miscontrolled the backpost as the clock wound down, leaving gaps at the back.

Zaha showed great skill and strength before being denied by Gazzaniga late on, but it mattered little for Cardiff as they held out for victory.

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5:39pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

We'll win, lose and draw more important games than this.

Frustrating, but it's time to move on.
We'll win, lose and draw more important games than this. Frustrating, but it's time to move on. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 0

5:39pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Velleity says...

Plenty of posters on here predicted that we'd miss J-Rod and that was proof if it were needed. Paceless up front and, more worryingly, we seem to lack anyone prepared to run at the defence and put them under pressure. He'll be sorely missed...

Positives: Gazza had a decent game despite ironic cheers when he caught the ball or punched away (and boy, did the ref allow some shoving of the GK during that three-corner spell so he ended up having to punch it) I also felt that Gastón improved a little more (as he seems to have been doing recently) bar a couple of give aways - but everyone seemed to be doing that,

So, overall, a lacklustre performance against a dire side, but, as ever, onwards and upwards!
Plenty of posters on here predicted that we'd miss J-Rod and that was proof if it were needed. Paceless up front and, more worryingly, we seem to lack anyone prepared to run at the defence and put them under pressure. He'll be sorely missed... Positives: Gazza had a decent game despite ironic cheers when he caught the ball or punched away (and boy, did the ref allow some shoving of the GK during that three-corner spell so he ended up having to punch it) I also felt that Gastón improved a little more (as he seems to have been doing recently) bar a couple of give aways - but everyone seemed to be doing that, So, overall, a lacklustre performance against a dire side, but, as ever, onwards and upwards! Velleity
  • Score: 4

5:49pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

Disappointing but very, very far from the end of the world.
Disappointing but very, very far from the end of the world. Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

5:49pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

Disappointing but very, very far from the end of the world.
Disappointing but very, very far from the end of the world. Rising_Son
  • Score: -1

5:56pm Sat 12 Apr 14

warrens 76 says...

Had to post thsi again it is the heart of the issue.

No Norge and thrice No…

..this result today encapsulates indeed is a distillation of our season..

..did ever a team play such lovely football…probably not, but to what end, those of you Craig Samways are you listening, those who enjoy sat and sunday football have many a time nicked a preposterous result against better opposition, **** it all my team with me as CF won the Hampshire cup, were we the best ? nope not by a country mile but we (me) put the ball in the net, end of..

We flatter to deceive, ask yourself this..we give stupid possession away once or twice in a game and they, whoever 'they' are score, we control the other 88 minutes so tell me what is wrong, we look good we play good but we do not do what we are supposed to..win, our defense IS suspect but if they felt we could score for fun it probably would not be…

..the answer to our problem is this.. who would save/create most points a Van Persie or a Kompany…( spelt it wrong?) it's the front line boys the front line..
Had to post thsi again it is the heart of the issue. No Norge and thrice No… ..this result today encapsulates indeed is a distillation of our season.. ..did ever a team play such lovely football…probably not, but to what end, those of you Craig Samways are you listening, those who enjoy sat and sunday football have many a time nicked a preposterous result against better opposition, **** it all my team with me as CF won the Hampshire cup, were we the best ? nope not by a country mile but we (me) put the ball in the net, end of.. We flatter to deceive, ask yourself this..we give stupid possession away once or twice in a game and they, whoever 'they' are score, we control the other 88 minutes so tell me what is wrong, we look good we play good but we do not do what we are supposed to..win, our defense IS suspect but if they felt we could score for fun it probably would not be… ..the answer to our problem is this.. who would save/create most points a Van Persie or a Kompany…( spelt it wrong?) it's the front line boys the front line.. warrens 76
  • Score: 2

5:57pm Sat 12 Apr 14

warrens 76 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
We'll win, lose and draw more important games than this.

Frustrating, but it's time to move on.
Strass you can post better!
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: We'll win, lose and draw more important games than this. Frustrating, but it's time to move on.[/p][/quote]Strass you can post better! warrens 76
  • Score: -1

6:02pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Fortnam says...

Same tired old tactics, a few successes at the beginning, but now everybody's sussed you out. Two thirds of the possession, no actual sting, caught by a sucker punch every time. Lost after two goals up against Spurs, can't beat a Championship side, how Katharina Liebherr must regret not selling this busted flush when it was worth something.
Same tired old tactics, a few successes at the beginning, but now everybody's sussed you out. Two thirds of the possession, no actual sting, caught by a sucker punch every time. Lost after two goals up against Spurs, can't beat a Championship side, how Katharina Liebherr must regret not selling this busted flush when it was worth something. Fortnam
  • Score: -7

6:17pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Velleity says...

Fortnam wrote:
Same tired old tactics, a few successes at the beginning, but now everybody's sussed you out. Two thirds of the possession, no actual sting, caught by a sucker punch every time. Lost after two goals up against Spurs, can't beat a Championship side, how Katharina Liebherr must regret not selling this busted flush when it was worth something.
Interesting for a first ever post on this site - you seem to be implying that our form's dropped off recently. If you look at leagues just made up of the past 6,8,10,12,14,16 games, in all of them we're either 8th or 9th. Suggests our overall form is pretty consistent so I'm afraid your theory doesn't really hold up.

Everyone has poor games - look at Liverpool, their fans must have been so unhappy when we won at Anfield earlier in the season - they're over it now. Go and have a lie-down and it'll all be better when you get up.
[quote][p][bold]Fortnam[/bold] wrote: Same tired old tactics, a few successes at the beginning, but now everybody's sussed you out. Two thirds of the possession, no actual sting, caught by a sucker punch every time. Lost after two goals up against Spurs, can't beat a Championship side, how Katharina Liebherr must regret not selling this busted flush when it was worth something.[/p][/quote]Interesting for a first ever post on this site - you seem to be implying that our form's dropped off recently. If you look at leagues just made up of the past 6,8,10,12,14,16 games, in all of them we're either 8th or 9th. Suggests our overall form is pretty consistent so I'm afraid your theory doesn't really hold up. Everyone has poor games - look at Liverpool, their fans must have been so unhappy when we won at Anfield earlier in the season - they're over it now. Go and have a lie-down and it'll all be better when you get up. Velleity
  • Score: 0

6:18pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
We'll win, lose and draw more important games than this.

Frustrating, but it's time to move on.
Strass you can post better!
Come on Warrens, get over yourself. Last night, along with 22,000 others ....... in the equvelent of, say, the Conference, or even the Conference South, I went to the Alsace derby - Strasbourg against Colmar (a bit like Saints vs the Cherries). Having normally been in the first or second league but more recently in the lower leagues, Strasbourg desperately needed the points or likely face relegation. Colmar won 2-1. THAT'S an important game.

Sunderland away in the FA Cup was an important game. This was important for, maybe, Gaston, Gazza and one or two others whose places could be under threat come next season. Last week, the biggeset issue wasn't the useless lino, nor the score, but Jay's injury. I doubt if, today, the World Cup hopefuls affected their chances much. Gaston's injury was more a threat to his hopes than his performance.

I hate losing, I hate bad decisions, I hate the idea that Cardiff could stay up and a club like Norwich get relegated, I hate the fact that we play attractive footy but are a long way from the free-scoring team of the late '70s early '80s but, whereas I was almost suicidal when we got relegated in 2005, with this lose, I'll be moody this evening but will live.

Anyway, I hope the elbow's healing.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: We'll win, lose and draw more important games than this. Frustrating, but it's time to move on.[/p][/quote]Strass you can post better![/p][/quote]Come on Warrens, get over yourself. Last night, along with 22,000 others ....... in the equvelent of, say, the Conference, or even the Conference South, I went to the Alsace derby - Strasbourg against Colmar (a bit like Saints vs the Cherries). Having normally been in the first or second league but more recently in the lower leagues, Strasbourg desperately needed the points or likely face relegation. Colmar won 2-1. THAT'S an important game. Sunderland away in the FA Cup was an important game. This was important for, maybe, Gaston, Gazza and one or two others whose places could be under threat come next season. Last week, the biggeset issue wasn't the useless lino, nor the score, but Jay's injury. I doubt if, today, the World Cup hopefuls affected their chances much. Gaston's injury was more a threat to his hopes than his performance. I hate losing, I hate bad decisions, I hate the idea that Cardiff could stay up and a club like Norwich get relegated, I hate the fact that we play attractive footy but are a long way from the free-scoring team of the late '70s early '80s but, whereas I was almost suicidal when we got relegated in 2005, with this lose, I'll be moody this evening but will live. Anyway, I hope the elbow's healing. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

6:23pm Sat 12 Apr 14

boilerman says...

No killer instinct, I feel we try too many times to score the perfect goal.
We have to finish the season strong to encourage the manager and the big players to stay.
If we fall away I feel the agents of these players will encourage them to move when the so called bigger clubs come calling.
I hope I am wrong as with 3 or 4 additions we could be after a top 6 place next season.
This not me having a go at the team just the way I can see things possibly going as we all know what agents are like.
No killer instinct, I feel we try too many times to score the perfect goal. We have to finish the season strong to encourage the manager and the big players to stay. If we fall away I feel the agents of these players will encourage them to move when the so called bigger clubs come calling. I hope I am wrong as with 3 or 4 additions we could be after a top 6 place next season. This not me having a go at the team just the way I can see things possibly going as we all know what agents are like. boilerman
  • Score: 6

6:34pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Costa Baz says...

I think Luke's inability to pick out a decent cross, from what must have been 20 or so attempts, may just have opened the door a little wider, for Cole to go to Brazil.
I'm sure, because we make so many passes, our stats will show a decent success rate, but in and around the Cardiff box, our radar was well off the mark.
2 weeks ago, we were opening up the Newcastle defence for fun.
This week we struggled to open up one of the worse teams in the league., and when we did, we showed our inconsistency in front of goal.
Sometimes it happens, like this.
What's important is how we respond, next week, at Villa.
And Katharina seeing that performance as a need to invest in players.
I think Luke's inability to pick out a decent cross, from what must have been 20 or so attempts, may just have opened the door a little wider, for Cole to go to Brazil. I'm sure, because we make so many passes, our stats will show a decent success rate, but in and around the Cardiff box, our radar was well off the mark. 2 weeks ago, we were opening up the Newcastle defence for fun. This week we struggled to open up one of the worse teams in the league., and when we did, we showed our inconsistency in front of goal. Sometimes it happens, like this. What's important is how we respond, next week, at Villa. And Katharina seeing that performance as a need to invest in players. Costa Baz
  • Score: 10

6:35pm Sat 12 Apr 14

warrens 76 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
We'll win, lose and draw more important games than this.

Frustrating, but it's time to move on.
Strass you can post better!
Come on Warrens, get over yourself. Last night, along with 22,000 others ....... in the equvelent of, say, the Conference, or even the Conference South, I went to the Alsace derby - Strasbourg against Colmar (a bit like Saints vs the Cherries). Having normally been in the first or second league but more recently in the lower leagues, Strasbourg desperately needed the points or likely face relegation. Colmar won 2-1. THAT'S an important game.

Sunderland away in the FA Cup was an important game. This was important for, maybe, Gaston, Gazza and one or two others whose places could be under threat come next season. Last week, the biggeset issue wasn't the useless lino, nor the score, but Jay's injury. I doubt if, today, the World Cup hopefuls affected their chances much. Gaston's injury was more a threat to his hopes than his performance.

I hate losing, I hate bad decisions, I hate the idea that Cardiff could stay up and a club like Norwich get relegated, I hate the fact that we play attractive footy but are a long way from the free-scoring team of the late '70s early '80s but, whereas I was almost suicidal when we got relegated in 2005, with this lose, I'll be moody this evening but will live.

Anyway, I hope the elbow's healing.
Elbow is mesy Strass very messy..never expected a cake walk..unlike today of course…
Nipper's good?
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: We'll win, lose and draw more important games than this. Frustrating, but it's time to move on.[/p][/quote]Strass you can post better![/p][/quote]Come on Warrens, get over yourself. Last night, along with 22,000 others ....... in the equvelent of, say, the Conference, or even the Conference South, I went to the Alsace derby - Strasbourg against Colmar (a bit like Saints vs the Cherries). Having normally been in the first or second league but more recently in the lower leagues, Strasbourg desperately needed the points or likely face relegation. Colmar won 2-1. THAT'S an important game. Sunderland away in the FA Cup was an important game. This was important for, maybe, Gaston, Gazza and one or two others whose places could be under threat come next season. Last week, the biggeset issue wasn't the useless lino, nor the score, but Jay's injury. I doubt if, today, the World Cup hopefuls affected their chances much. Gaston's injury was more a threat to his hopes than his performance. I hate losing, I hate bad decisions, I hate the idea that Cardiff could stay up and a club like Norwich get relegated, I hate the fact that we play attractive footy but are a long way from the free-scoring team of the late '70s early '80s but, whereas I was almost suicidal when we got relegated in 2005, with this lose, I'll be moody this evening but will live. Anyway, I hope the elbow's healing.[/p][/quote]Elbow is mesy Strass very messy..never expected a cake walk..unlike today of course… Nipper's good? warrens 76
  • Score: 0

6:47pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Warrens, the lads were happy as larry after our trip up north. Glad to catch up with you (and the Lady, of course) and had a good evening out with Seed, Bill and co.

Good luck with the elbow, sounds like you need a lot of tea and sympathy and the elbow needs just the right amount of exercise. I'm told it helps to raise a pint glass to the lips about 5 times per evening - provided you start it on 'full' and allow it to get gradually emptier.
Warrens, the lads were happy as larry after our trip up north. Glad to catch up with you (and the Lady, of course) and had a good evening out with Seed, Bill and co. Good luck with the elbow, sounds like you need a lot of tea and sympathy and the elbow needs just the right amount of exercise. I'm told it helps to raise a pint glass to the lips about 5 times per evening - provided you start it on 'full' and allow it to get gradually emptier. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 0

6:51pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Costa Baz says...

The summariser, on the stream I watched ( may have been Ray Houghton?), certainly has an agenda against Lallana.

Kept harping on about the number of times he's been substituted and how he isn't in the game for 90 minutes, adding that in international football you have to contribute for the full 90 minutes.

He clearly thinks that Lallana should be on the ball for the full 90 minutes, endlessly beating players, creating chances and scoring goals, presumably like all the other England internationals who shine for 90 minutes in every game they play.

What a t0sser! So running yourself ragged, to close players down, to prevent attacks from being launched against your team, counts for nothing?

So, if anyone could help me out, which of England's players could he be referring to, because I can't think of any that are consistently at the top of their game, every time they play? And that includes the one on £300k per week.
The summariser, on the stream I watched ( may have been Ray Houghton?), certainly has an agenda against Lallana. Kept harping on about the number of times he's been substituted and how he isn't in the game for 90 minutes, adding that in international football you have to contribute for the full 90 minutes. He clearly thinks that Lallana should be on the ball for the full 90 minutes, endlessly beating players, creating chances and scoring goals, presumably like all the other England internationals who shine for 90 minutes in every game they play. What a t0sser! So running yourself ragged, to close players down, to prevent attacks from being launched against your team, counts for nothing? So, if anyone could help me out, which of England's players could he be referring to, because I can't think of any that are consistently at the top of their game, every time they play? And that includes the one on £300k per week. Costa Baz
  • Score: 16

6:58pm Sat 12 Apr 14

SnapperSaint says...

Just need to take it on the chin as a bad day at the office...even Poopey won 4-1 away today :o(

Very hard to swallow that defeat though, feeling very, very deflated after watching us passing it around the pitch like it was a training game. Even 0-0 at half time I could not see us losing, Cardiff were just hopeless, but importantly they took their chance and scored!
There was a little bit of a feeling of it's the end of the season and not very much to play for, perhaps those players with an eye on Brazil were trying not to go the way of JRod and get injured...that's how it seemed to me.
Just need to take it on the chin as a bad day at the office...even Poopey won 4-1 away today :o( Very hard to swallow that defeat though, feeling very, very deflated after watching us passing it around the pitch like it was a training game. Even 0-0 at half time I could not see us losing, Cardiff were just hopeless, but importantly they took their chance and scored! There was a little bit of a feeling of it's the end of the season and not very much to play for, perhaps those players with an eye on Brazil were trying not to go the way of JRod and get injured...that's how it seemed to me. SnapperSaint
  • Score: -1

7:21pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Rudolf Hucker says...

I will most probably get some neg votes for this comment, but we won't win many more games with Gazza in goal. he is not Prem quality imo, and does not command his penalty area like Boruc does. AB has this coolness about him and that conveys to the rest of the defence in front of him. But hey, we are safe.
I will most probably get some neg votes for this comment, but we won't win many more games with Gazza in goal. he is not Prem quality imo, and does not command his penalty area like Boruc does. AB has this coolness about him and that conveys to the rest of the defence in front of him. But hey, we are safe. Rudolf Hucker
  • Score: 2

7:28pm Sat 12 Apr 14

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

DITCH THE DEADWOOD - Hoover Guly etc (Respect to all their efforts)

PUT GAZZA ON LOAN

SORT THE DANI SITUATION

BUY KEEPER - STRIKE BUY OR LOAN - STRENGTHEN AT CB

MP MUST MOTIVATE HIS PLAYERS FROM THE TOUCHLINE TO WIN WITH PASSION.

UTS
DITCH THE DEADWOOD - Hoover Guly etc (Respect to all their efforts) PUT GAZZA ON LOAN SORT THE DANI SITUATION BUY KEEPER - STRIKE BUY OR LOAN - STRENGTHEN AT CB MP MUST MOTIVATE HIS PLAYERS FROM THE TOUCHLINE TO WIN WITH PASSION. UTS REDARMYRULETHESOUTH
  • Score: 9

7:29pm Sat 12 Apr 14

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

Rudolf Hucker wrote:
I will most probably get some neg votes for this comment, but we won't win many more games with Gazza in goal. he is not Prem quality imo, and does not command his penalty area like Boruc does. AB has this coolness about him and that conveys to the rest of the defence in front of him. But hey, we are safe.
SPOT ON.
[quote][p][bold]Rudolf Hucker[/bold] wrote: I will most probably get some neg votes for this comment, but we won't win many more games with Gazza in goal. he is not Prem quality imo, and does not command his penalty area like Boruc does. AB has this coolness about him and that conveys to the rest of the defence in front of him. But hey, we are safe.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON. REDARMYRULETHESOUTH
  • Score: 10

7:33pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

SnapperSaint wrote:
Just need to take it on the chin as a bad day at the office...even Poopey won 4-1 away today :o(

Very hard to swallow that defeat though, feeling very, very deflated after watching us passing it around the pitch like it was a training game. Even 0-0 at half time I could not see us losing, Cardiff were just hopeless, but importantly they took their chance and scored!
There was a little bit of a feeling of it's the end of the season and not very much to play for, perhaps those players with an eye on Brazil were trying not to go the way of JRod and get injured...that's how it seemed to me.
Yeah. Where did Poopey get enough money to be able to bribe their way to scoring 4 goals? Their ref must have come real cheap.
[quote][p][bold]SnapperSaint[/bold] wrote: Just need to take it on the chin as a bad day at the office...even Poopey won 4-1 away today :o( Very hard to swallow that defeat though, feeling very, very deflated after watching us passing it around the pitch like it was a training game. Even 0-0 at half time I could not see us losing, Cardiff were just hopeless, but importantly they took their chance and scored! There was a little bit of a feeling of it's the end of the season and not very much to play for, perhaps those players with an eye on Brazil were trying not to go the way of JRod and get injured...that's how it seemed to me.[/p][/quote]Yeah. Where did Poopey get enough money to be able to bribe their way to scoring 4 goals? Their ref must have come real cheap. Clever Dick
  • Score: -3

7:37pm Sat 12 Apr 14

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

Rudolf Hucker wrote:
I will most probably get some neg votes for this comment, but we won't win many more games with Gazza in goal. he is not Prem quality imo, and does not command his penalty area like Boruc does. AB has this coolness about him and that conveys to the rest of the defence in front of him. But hey, we are safe.
SPOT ON
[quote][p][bold]Rudolf Hucker[/bold] wrote: I will most probably get some neg votes for this comment, but we won't win many more games with Gazza in goal. he is not Prem quality imo, and does not command his penalty area like Boruc does. AB has this coolness about him and that conveys to the rest of the defence in front of him. But hey, we are safe.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON REDARMYRULETHESOUTH
  • Score: 9

7:38pm Sat 12 Apr 14

saintbobby says...

Didn't someone once say that football is "a funny old game"? Proof today, then if needed. BBC's Final Score showed Saints had nearly 70% possession and 17 shots on goal against Cardiff's only 3 or 4.

Obviously missed Jay Rod but I wonder if his awful injury has not unsettled the team a bit and also all the chat about MP's contract and players's comments about the situation. Also, of course the season is nearly over.

Probably lame excuses but always upsetting when a cast iron win is not achieved. Soddit!
Didn't someone once say that football is "a funny old game"? Proof today, then if needed. BBC's Final Score showed Saints had nearly 70% possession and 17 shots on goal against Cardiff's only 3 or 4. Obviously missed Jay Rod but I wonder if his awful injury has not unsettled the team a bit and also all the chat about MP's contract and players's comments about the situation. Also, of course the season is nearly over. Probably lame excuses but always upsetting when a cast iron win is not achieved. Soddit! saintbobby
  • Score: 6

7:38pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

PS. Calm down everybody. SFC are always ahead of the game. This match was a deliberate ploy to put off all the thieving, self important "big clubs" from thinking they are going to steal our players on the cheap. Hopefully they were all there today spying and weren't impressed.
PS. Calm down everybody. SFC are always ahead of the game. This match was a deliberate ploy to put off all the thieving, self important "big clubs" from thinking they are going to steal our players on the cheap. Hopefully they were all there today spying and weren't impressed. Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

7:41pm Sat 12 Apr 14

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

MP MUST SHOW PASSION AND A DESIRE TO WIN FROM TOUCHLINE.

MOVE ON HOOVER GULY ETC AND THANK THEM FOR THEIR EFFORTS

PUT GAZZA ON LOAN

BUY KEEPER STRIKE (LOAN OR BUY) AND CB TO CHALLENGE AND INCREASE DEPTH OF SQUAD.

THERE ARE GOOD PLAYERS OUT THERE. DO NOT SHRINK FROM THESE DECISIONS OR FACE MORE LOST POINTS.

COYR
MP MUST SHOW PASSION AND A DESIRE TO WIN FROM TOUCHLINE. MOVE ON HOOVER GULY ETC AND THANK THEM FOR THEIR EFFORTS PUT GAZZA ON LOAN BUY KEEPER STRIKE (LOAN OR BUY) AND CB TO CHALLENGE AND INCREASE DEPTH OF SQUAD. THERE ARE GOOD PLAYERS OUT THERE. DO NOT SHRINK FROM THESE DECISIONS OR FACE MORE LOST POINTS. COYR REDARMYRULETHESOUTH
  • Score: 3

7:42pm Sat 12 Apr 14

bazza says...

At the end of the day we were very poor today.No pace up front.Will miss rog very much..Crap game.move on.I still say if we needed to win that we would of.No passion in todays game.
At the end of the day we were very poor today.No pace up front.Will miss rog very much..Crap game.move on.I still say if we needed to win that we would of.No passion in todays game. bazza
  • Score: 0

8:04pm Sat 12 Apr 14

right back in the bar says...

How many games is that now - games in which we outplayed opponents but ended up losing? The telling pass isn't there; we don't have numbers in and around the box; there is not enough width. These are the reasons we cannot capatalise on possession football. I have confidence the coach will fix it provided he gets support. The 30m for Shaw should be spent on the Redmond lad and a quality centre half to play with Lovren. I am not usually critical of our own but Gazzinga is dreadful; he wasn't to blame for the goal but the errors throughout gave Cardiff the belief they could get something. Buy the Cardiff keeper as a matter of urgency.
How many games is that now - games in which we outplayed opponents but ended up losing? The telling pass isn't there; we don't have numbers in and around the box; there is not enough width. These are the reasons we cannot capatalise on possession football. I have confidence the coach will fix it provided he gets support. The 30m for Shaw should be spent on the Redmond lad and a quality centre half to play with Lovren. I am not usually critical of our own but Gazzinga is dreadful; he wasn't to blame for the goal but the errors throughout gave Cardiff the belief they could get something. Buy the Cardiff keeper as a matter of urgency. right back in the bar
  • Score: -1

8:35pm Sat 12 Apr 14

warrens 76 says...

Costa Baz wrote:
The summariser, on the stream I watched ( may have been Ray Houghton?), certainly has an agenda against Lallana.

Kept harping on about the number of times he's been substituted and how he isn't in the game for 90 minutes, adding that in international football you have to contribute for the full 90 minutes.

He clearly thinks that Lallana should be on the ball for the full 90 minutes, endlessly beating players, creating chances and scoring goals, presumably like all the other England internationals who shine for 90 minutes in every game they play.

What a t0sser! So running yourself ragged, to close players down, to prevent attacks from being launched against your team, counts for nothing?

So, if anyone could help me out, which of England's players could he be referring to, because I can't think of any that are consistently at the top of their game, every time they play? And that includes the one on £300k per week.
Too true..the idea that we may need to keep Lallana fit for 'every' game has elluded the k.nob..

Does it every game does'nt he...
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: The summariser, on the stream I watched ( may have been Ray Houghton?), certainly has an agenda against Lallana. Kept harping on about the number of times he's been substituted and how he isn't in the game for 90 minutes, adding that in international football you have to contribute for the full 90 minutes. He clearly thinks that Lallana should be on the ball for the full 90 minutes, endlessly beating players, creating chances and scoring goals, presumably like all the other England internationals who shine for 90 minutes in every game they play. What a t0sser! So running yourself ragged, to close players down, to prevent attacks from being launched against your team, counts for nothing? So, if anyone could help me out, which of England's players could he be referring to, because I can't think of any that are consistently at the top of their game, every time they play? And that includes the one on £300k per week.[/p][/quote]Too true..the idea that we may need to keep Lallana fit for 'every' game has elluded the k.nob.. Does it every game does'nt he... warrens 76
  • Score: 1

8:42pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Gutted with our forward line display today tbh. If the game was still playing till midnight I really don't think we would have scored yet. Just one of those days I guess.

Credit to Cardiff who are fighting for their PL survival. They defended resolutely. We need to be more clinical....and I believe we will assuming we keep MP.

We need to keep MP in order for the rest of the pieces to fall into place.

COYR
Gutted with our forward line display today tbh. If the game was still playing till midnight I really don't think we would have scored yet. Just one of those days I guess. Credit to Cardiff who are fighting for their PL survival. They defended resolutely. We need to be more clinical....and I believe we will assuming we keep MP. We need to keep MP in order for the rest of the pieces to fall into place. COYR Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 1

9:12pm Sat 12 Apr 14

miltonnroad76 says...

Velleity wrote:
Fortnam wrote:
Same tired old tactics, a few successes at the beginning, but now everybody's sussed you out. Two thirds of the possession, no actual sting, caught by a sucker punch every time. Lost after two goals up against Spurs, can't beat a Championship side, how Katharina Liebherr must regret not selling this busted flush when it was worth something.
Interesting for a first ever post on this site - you seem to be implying that our form's dropped off recently. If you look at leagues just made up of the past 6,8,10,12,14,16 games, in all of them we're either 8th or 9th. Suggests our overall form is pretty consistent so I'm afraid your theory doesn't really hold up.

Everyone has poor games - look at Liverpool, their fans must have been so unhappy when we won at Anfield earlier in the season - they're over it now. Go and have a lie-down and it'll all be better when you get up.
i smell fish ..take your bitterness elsewhere...........
8th top scoring side in englands premier league yeah check it thats why the England manager watches us
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fortnam[/bold] wrote: Same tired old tactics, a few successes at the beginning, but now everybody's sussed you out. Two thirds of the possession, no actual sting, caught by a sucker punch every time. Lost after two goals up against Spurs, can't beat a Championship side, how Katharina Liebherr must regret not selling this busted flush when it was worth something.[/p][/quote]Interesting for a first ever post on this site - you seem to be implying that our form's dropped off recently. If you look at leagues just made up of the past 6,8,10,12,14,16 games, in all of them we're either 8th or 9th. Suggests our overall form is pretty consistent so I'm afraid your theory doesn't really hold up. Everyone has poor games - look at Liverpool, their fans must have been so unhappy when we won at Anfield earlier in the season - they're over it now. Go and have a lie-down and it'll all be better when you get up.[/p][/quote]i smell fish ..take your bitterness elsewhere........... 8th top scoring side in englands premier league yeah check it thats why the England manager watches us miltonnroad76
  • Score: -6

9:22pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Saintsayer II says...

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH wrote:
DITCH THE DEADWOOD - Hoover Guly etc (Respect to all their efforts)

PUT GAZZA ON LOAN

SORT THE DANI SITUATION

BUY KEEPER - STRIKE BUY OR LOAN - STRENGTHEN AT CB

MP MUST MOTIVATE HIS PLAYERS FROM THE TOUCHLINE TO WIN WITH PASSION.

UTS
MoPo does nothing to alter the situation when we are failing to open up teams who put 10 men behind the ball For me MP is part of the dead wood that we should ditch
[quote][p][bold]REDARMYRULETHESOUTH[/bold] wrote: DITCH THE DEADWOOD - Hoover Guly etc (Respect to all their efforts) PUT GAZZA ON LOAN SORT THE DANI SITUATION BUY KEEPER - STRIKE BUY OR LOAN - STRENGTHEN AT CB MP MUST MOTIVATE HIS PLAYERS FROM THE TOUCHLINE TO WIN WITH PASSION. UTS[/p][/quote]MoPo does nothing to alter the situation when we are failing to open up teams who put 10 men behind the ball For me MP is part of the dead wood that we should ditch Saintsayer II
  • Score: -10

10:07pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Doctor.Death says...

This is about certain players who want to keep their jobs. It wont wash with MP
This is about certain players who want to keep their jobs. It wont wash with MP Doctor.Death
  • Score: -3

10:50pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Fortnam says...

Velleity wrote:
Fortnam wrote:
Same tired old tactics, a few successes at the beginning, but now everybody's sussed you out. Two thirds of the possession, no actual sting, caught by a sucker punch every time. Lost after two goals up against Spurs, can't beat a Championship side, how Katharina Liebherr must regret not selling this busted flush when it was worth something.
Interesting for a first ever post on this site - you seem to be implying that our form's dropped off recently. If you look at leagues just made up of the past 6,8,10,12,14,16 games, in all of them we're either 8th or 9th. Suggests our overall form is pretty consistent so I'm afraid your theory doesn't really hold up.

Everyone has poor games - look at Liverpool, their fans must have been so unhappy when we won at Anfield earlier in the season - they're over it now. Go and have a lie-down and it'll all be better when you get up.
Just the opposite Velleity - your tactics are now so utterly predictable that the world and his wife have sussed out how to deal with them. They give you most of the ball and just wait for the gaps - simples. Starting somewhere around Villa at home.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fortnam[/bold] wrote: Same tired old tactics, a few successes at the beginning, but now everybody's sussed you out. Two thirds of the possession, no actual sting, caught by a sucker punch every time. Lost after two goals up against Spurs, can't beat a Championship side, how Katharina Liebherr must regret not selling this busted flush when it was worth something.[/p][/quote]Interesting for a first ever post on this site - you seem to be implying that our form's dropped off recently. If you look at leagues just made up of the past 6,8,10,12,14,16 games, in all of them we're either 8th or 9th. Suggests our overall form is pretty consistent so I'm afraid your theory doesn't really hold up. Everyone has poor games - look at Liverpool, their fans must have been so unhappy when we won at Anfield earlier in the season - they're over it now. Go and have a lie-down and it'll all be better when you get up.[/p][/quote]Just the opposite Velleity - your tactics are now so utterly predictable that the world and his wife have sussed out how to deal with them. They give you most of the ball and just wait for the gaps - simples. Starting somewhere around Villa at home. Fortnam
  • Score: -1

10:59pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Velleity says...

Fortnam, interesting that you haven't addressed the point I made. Our performance for the last half of the season has been top nine at worst. So how does that prove that we've been "sussed"? There might have been something in what you said if our form had been tailing off but the facts are there in front of you; our performance has been consistent.
Fortnam, interesting that you haven't addressed the point I made. Our performance for the last half of the season has been top nine at worst. So how does that prove that we've been "sussed"? There might have been something in what you said if our form had been tailing off but the facts are there in front of you; our performance has been consistent. Velleity
  • Score: -5

11:07pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Velleity says...

Here you go Fortnam - we dropped to 8th after the Villa game on 4th December(the one where we suddenly became cannon-fodder as everyone "sussed" us). Since then, after each game, our league positions have been:

88899999999889989888


Dramatic decline in form, don't you think?
Here you go Fortnam - we dropped to 8th after the Villa game on 4th December(the one where we suddenly became cannon-fodder as everyone "sussed" us). Since then, after each game, our league positions have been: 88899999999889989888 Dramatic decline in form, don't you think? Velleity
  • Score: -3

11:08pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

Velleity wrote:
Fortnam, interesting that you haven't addressed the point I made. Our performance for the last half of the season has been top nine at worst. So how does that prove that we've been "sussed"? There might have been something in what you said if our form had been tailing off but the facts are there in front of you; our performance has been consistent.
Perhaps somebody should have had a word with the Newcastle players. They obviously failed to realise what a pushover we are. Had we managed to get a goal early on today it would have been another comfortable Saints victory.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Fortnam, interesting that you haven't addressed the point I made. Our performance for the last half of the season has been top nine at worst. So how does that prove that we've been "sussed"? There might have been something in what you said if our form had been tailing off but the facts are there in front of you; our performance has been consistent.[/p][/quote]Perhaps somebody should have had a word with the Newcastle players. They obviously failed to realise what a pushover we are. Had we managed to get a goal early on today it would have been another comfortable Saints victory. Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

6:22am Sun 13 Apr 14

batesieboy says...

Ah, that's more like it...I was getting a little too big for my boots...I never used to be like that...
Ah, that's more like it...I was getting a little too big for my boots...I never used to be like that... batesieboy
  • Score: -2

8:09am Sun 13 Apr 14

Saintsayer II says...

Velleity wrote:
Fortnam, interesting that you haven't addressed the point I made. Our performance for the last half of the season has been top nine at worst. So how does that prove that we've been "sussed"? There might have been something in what you said if our form had been tailing off but the facts are there in front of you; our performance has been consistent.
You appear to keep a close eye on the stats and i wonder if you could tell me have we ever won a game when we have been 8th in the league this season Its just a silly thing but in chinese mythology 8 was considered an unlucky number
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Fortnam, interesting that you haven't addressed the point I made. Our performance for the last half of the season has been top nine at worst. So how does that prove that we've been "sussed"? There might have been something in what you said if our form had been tailing off but the facts are there in front of you; our performance has been consistent.[/p][/quote]You appear to keep a close eye on the stats and i wonder if you could tell me have we ever won a game when we have been 8th in the league this season Its just a silly thing but in chinese mythology 8 was considered an unlucky number Saintsayer II
  • Score: -3

8:17am Sun 13 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

Velleity wrote:
Here you go Fortnam - we dropped to 8th after the Villa game on 4th December(the one where we suddenly became cannon-fodder as everyone "sussed" us). Since then, after each game, our league positions have been:

88899999999889989888



Dramatic decline in form, don't you think?
I think that when we lose the doom mongers can't see beyond the result. In the last 5 games we are 6th in the form guide. In the last 8 games we are 13th in the form guide. Last 10 games, 8th as we were in the last 11th 12th and 13th as well. 10th in the last 15. Yesterday was disappointing but it was not the tactics but the goalscoring. The Villa game at home was lost to a wonderstrike. Yesterday's goalscorer was pretty much the same and the Spuds game was turned by a defensive error. So yes we could and should have accrued more points but all the indicators are showing that 8th is currently our correct position. If we had been given a fair rub of the green by match officials we would be even higher. Towards the end of a season we are often told that the table never lies. It isn't lying now.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Here you go Fortnam - we dropped to 8th after the Villa game on 4th December(the one where we suddenly became cannon-fodder as everyone "sussed" us). Since then, after each game, our league positions have been: 88899999999889989888 Dramatic decline in form, don't you think?[/p][/quote]I think that when we lose the doom mongers can't see beyond the result. In the last 5 games we are 6th in the form guide. In the last 8 games we are 13th in the form guide. Last 10 games, 8th as we were in the last 11th 12th and 13th as well. 10th in the last 15. Yesterday was disappointing but it was not the tactics but the goalscoring. The Villa game at home was lost to a wonderstrike. Yesterday's goalscorer was pretty much the same and the Spuds game was turned by a defensive error. So yes we could and should have accrued more points but all the indicators are showing that 8th is currently our correct position. If we had been given a fair rub of the green by match officials we would be even higher. Towards the end of a season we are often told that the table never lies. It isn't lying now. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

8:21am Sun 13 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Fortnam, interesting that you haven't addressed the point I made. Our performance for the last half of the season has been top nine at worst. So how does that prove that we've been "sussed"? There might have been something in what you said if our form had been tailing off but the facts are there in front of you; our performance has been consistent.
You appear to keep a close eye on the stats and i wonder if you could tell me have we ever won a game when we have been 8th in the league this season Its just a silly thing but in chinese mythology 8 was considered an unlucky number
I thought 8 was thought to be quite lucky in China. I thought 4 was the unlucky number.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Fortnam, interesting that you haven't addressed the point I made. Our performance for the last half of the season has been top nine at worst. So how does that prove that we've been "sussed"? There might have been something in what you said if our form had been tailing off but the facts are there in front of you; our performance has been consistent.[/p][/quote]You appear to keep a close eye on the stats and i wonder if you could tell me have we ever won a game when we have been 8th in the league this season Its just a silly thing but in chinese mythology 8 was considered an unlucky number[/p][/quote]I thought 8 was thought to be quite lucky in China. I thought 4 was the unlucky number. Rising_Son
  • Score: -2

9:13am Sun 13 Apr 14

Costa Baz says...

Fortnam wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Fortnam wrote: Same tired old tactics, a few successes at the beginning, but now everybody's sussed you out. Two thirds of the possession, no actual sting, caught by a sucker punch every time. Lost after two goals up against Spurs, can't beat a Championship side, how Katharina Liebherr must regret not selling this busted flush when it was worth something.
Interesting for a first ever post on this site - you seem to be implying that our form's dropped off recently. If you look at leagues just made up of the past 6,8,10,12,14,16 games, in all of them we're either 8th or 9th. Suggests our overall form is pretty consistent so I'm afraid your theory doesn't really hold up. Everyone has poor games - look at Liverpool, their fans must have been so unhappy when we won at Anfield earlier in the season - they're over it now. Go and have a lie-down and it'll all be better when you get up.
Just the opposite Velleity - your tactics are now so utterly predictable that the world and his wife have sussed out how to deal with them. They give you most of the ball and just wait for the gaps - simples. Starting somewhere around Villa at home.
Yes the tactics are predictable, but that doesn't make them the wrong tactics.
The only problem we have, with the tactics, is the lack of consistency in converting chances into goals, but this, with the right level of future investment, will be resolved.
Similarly, the introduction of a quicker centre back, alongside Lovren (no disrespect to Fonte),would make us better equipped to defend against quick breakaways, like Zaha yesterday and Agbonlahor in the Villa game you refer to.
Despite having been "sussed out", very few teams have turned us over, or dominated us. And, in all honesty, 8th place in the Premier League, in the knowledge that we could be higher, and playing some very nice football, is kind of nice.
I'm guessing that your favourite colour is green?
[quote][p][bold]Fortnam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fortnam[/bold] wrote: Same tired old tactics, a few successes at the beginning, but now everybody's sussed you out. Two thirds of the possession, no actual sting, caught by a sucker punch every time. Lost after two goals up against Spurs, can't beat a Championship side, how Katharina Liebherr must regret not selling this busted flush when it was worth something.[/p][/quote]Interesting for a first ever post on this site - you seem to be implying that our form's dropped off recently. If you look at leagues just made up of the past 6,8,10,12,14,16 games, in all of them we're either 8th or 9th. Suggests our overall form is pretty consistent so I'm afraid your theory doesn't really hold up. Everyone has poor games - look at Liverpool, their fans must have been so unhappy when we won at Anfield earlier in the season - they're over it now. Go and have a lie-down and it'll all be better when you get up.[/p][/quote]Just the opposite Velleity - your tactics are now so utterly predictable that the world and his wife have sussed out how to deal with them. They give you most of the ball and just wait for the gaps - simples. Starting somewhere around Villa at home.[/p][/quote]Yes the tactics are predictable, but that doesn't make them the wrong tactics. The only problem we have, with the tactics, is the lack of consistency in converting chances into goals, but this, with the right level of future investment, will be resolved. Similarly, the introduction of a quicker centre back, alongside Lovren (no disrespect to Fonte),would make us better equipped to defend against quick breakaways, like Zaha yesterday and Agbonlahor in the Villa game you refer to. Despite having been "sussed out", very few teams have turned us over, or dominated us. And, in all honesty, 8th place in the Premier League, in the knowledge that we could be higher, and playing some very nice football, is kind of nice. I'm guessing that your favourite colour is green? Costa Baz
  • Score: 1

10:38am Sun 13 Apr 14

batesieboy says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Fortnam, interesting that you haven't addressed the point I made. Our performance for the last half of the season has been top nine at worst. So how does that prove that we've been "sussed"? There might have been something in what you said if our form had been tailing off but the facts are there in front of you; our performance has been consistent.
You appear to keep a close eye on the stats and i wonder if you could tell me have we ever won a game when we have been 8th in the league this season Its just a silly thing but in chinese mythology 8 was considered an unlucky number
I thought 8 was thought to be quite lucky in China. I thought 4 was the unlucky number.
Correct...8 is lucky as it represents a fat, wealthy person. 4 is unlucky because the word in Mandarin sounds like "death"
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Fortnam, interesting that you haven't addressed the point I made. Our performance for the last half of the season has been top nine at worst. So how does that prove that we've been "sussed"? There might have been something in what you said if our form had been tailing off but the facts are there in front of you; our performance has been consistent.[/p][/quote]You appear to keep a close eye on the stats and i wonder if you could tell me have we ever won a game when we have been 8th in the league this season Its just a silly thing but in chinese mythology 8 was considered an unlucky number[/p][/quote]I thought 8 was thought to be quite lucky in China. I thought 4 was the unlucky number.[/p][/quote]Correct...8 is lucky as it represents a fat, wealthy person. 4 is unlucky because the word in Mandarin sounds like "death" batesieboy
  • Score: -3

10:43am Sun 13 Apr 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Fortnam wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Fortnam wrote: Same tired old tactics, a few successes at the beginning, but now everybody's sussed you out. Two thirds of the possession, no actual sting, caught by a sucker punch every time. Lost after two goals up against Spurs, can't beat a Championship side, how Katharina Liebherr must regret not selling this busted flush when it was worth something.
Interesting for a first ever post on this site - you seem to be implying that our form's dropped off recently. If you look at leagues just made up of the past 6,8,10,12,14,16 games, in all of them we're either 8th or 9th. Suggests our overall form is pretty consistent so I'm afraid your theory doesn't really hold up. Everyone has poor games - look at Liverpool, their fans must have been so unhappy when we won at Anfield earlier in the season - they're over it now. Go and have a lie-down and it'll all be better when you get up.
Just the opposite Velleity - your tactics are now so utterly predictable that the world and his wife have sussed out how to deal with them. They give you most of the ball and just wait for the gaps - simples. Starting somewhere around Villa at home.
Yes the tactics are predictable, but that doesn't make them the wrong tactics.
The only problem we have, with the tactics, is the lack of consistency in converting chances into goals, but this, with the right level of future investment, will be resolved.
Similarly, the introduction of a quicker centre back, alongside Lovren (no disrespect to Fonte),would make us better equipped to defend against quick breakaways, like Zaha yesterday and Agbonlahor in the Villa game you refer to.
Despite having been "sussed out", very few teams have turned us over, or dominated us. And, in all honesty, 8th place in the Premier League, in the knowledge that we could be higher, and playing some very nice football, is kind of nice.
I'm guessing that your favourite colour is green?
Green? I think he bleeds blue, Baz.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fortnam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fortnam[/bold] wrote: Same tired old tactics, a few successes at the beginning, but now everybody's sussed you out. Two thirds of the possession, no actual sting, caught by a sucker punch every time. Lost after two goals up against Spurs, can't beat a Championship side, how Katharina Liebherr must regret not selling this busted flush when it was worth something.[/p][/quote]Interesting for a first ever post on this site - you seem to be implying that our form's dropped off recently. If you look at leagues just made up of the past 6,8,10,12,14,16 games, in all of them we're either 8th or 9th. Suggests our overall form is pretty consistent so I'm afraid your theory doesn't really hold up. Everyone has poor games - look at Liverpool, their fans must have been so unhappy when we won at Anfield earlier in the season - they're over it now. Go and have a lie-down and it'll all be better when you get up.[/p][/quote]Just the opposite Velleity - your tactics are now so utterly predictable that the world and his wife have sussed out how to deal with them. They give you most of the ball and just wait for the gaps - simples. Starting somewhere around Villa at home.[/p][/quote]Yes the tactics are predictable, but that doesn't make them the wrong tactics. The only problem we have, with the tactics, is the lack of consistency in converting chances into goals, but this, with the right level of future investment, will be resolved. Similarly, the introduction of a quicker centre back, alongside Lovren (no disrespect to Fonte),would make us better equipped to defend against quick breakaways, like Zaha yesterday and Agbonlahor in the Villa game you refer to. Despite having been "sussed out", very few teams have turned us over, or dominated us. And, in all honesty, 8th place in the Premier League, in the knowledge that we could be higher, and playing some very nice football, is kind of nice. I'm guessing that your favourite colour is green?[/p][/quote]Green? I think he bleeds blue, Baz. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: -3

11:15am Sun 13 Apr 14

Velleity says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Fortnam, interesting that you haven't addressed the point I made. Our performance for the last half of the season has been top nine at worst. So how does that prove that we've been "sussed"? There might have been something in what you said if our form had been tailing off but the facts are there in front of you; our performance has been consistent.
You appear to keep a close eye on the stats and i wonder if you could tell me have we ever won a game when we have been 8th in the league this season Its just a silly thing but in chinese mythology 8 was considered an unlucky number
Just had a look: Here are our results when we've ended the previous game in 8th place (midweek games might have changed the position by the start of the game in question)

DDLLLLLL

Cripes!

I would believe in your theory of numbers being lucky but I'm a Capricorn and we're not superstitious.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Fortnam, interesting that you haven't addressed the point I made. Our performance for the last half of the season has been top nine at worst. So how does that prove that we've been "sussed"? There might have been something in what you said if our form had been tailing off but the facts are there in front of you; our performance has been consistent.[/p][/quote]You appear to keep a close eye on the stats and i wonder if you could tell me have we ever won a game when we have been 8th in the league this season Its just a silly thing but in chinese mythology 8 was considered an unlucky number[/p][/quote]Just had a look: Here are our results when we've ended the previous game in 8th place (midweek games might have changed the position by the start of the game in question) DDLLLLLL Cripes! I would believe in your theory of numbers being lucky but I'm a Capricorn and we're not superstitious. Velleity
  • Score: 0

11:20am Sun 13 Apr 14

CHARLIE TAYLOR says...

I blame Guly !!!
I blame Guly !!! CHARLIE TAYLOR
  • Score: -5

1:18pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

Velleity wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Fortnam, interesting that you haven't addressed the point I made. Our performance for the last half of the season has been top nine at worst. So how does that prove that we've been "sussed"? There might have been something in what you said if our form had been tailing off but the facts are there in front of you; our performance has been consistent.
You appear to keep a close eye on the stats and i wonder if you could tell me have we ever won a game when we have been 8th in the league this season Its just a silly thing but in chinese mythology 8 was considered an unlucky number
Just had a look: Here are our results when we've ended the previous game in 8th place (midweek games might have changed the position by the start of the game in question)

DDLLLLLL

Cripes!

I would believe in your theory of numbers being lucky but I'm a Capricorn and we're not superstitious.
So, does that mean that we can only win again if Newcastle overtake us?
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Fortnam, interesting that you haven't addressed the point I made. Our performance for the last half of the season has been top nine at worst. So how does that prove that we've been "sussed"? There might have been something in what you said if our form had been tailing off but the facts are there in front of you; our performance has been consistent.[/p][/quote]You appear to keep a close eye on the stats and i wonder if you could tell me have we ever won a game when we have been 8th in the league this season Its just a silly thing but in chinese mythology 8 was considered an unlucky number[/p][/quote]Just had a look: Here are our results when we've ended the previous game in 8th place (midweek games might have changed the position by the start of the game in question) DDLLLLLL Cripes! I would believe in your theory of numbers being lucky but I'm a Capricorn and we're not superstitious.[/p][/quote]So, does that mean that we can only win again if Newcastle overtake us? Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

2:48pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Costa Baz says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Fortnam wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Fortnam wrote: Same tired old tactics, a few successes at the beginning, but now everybody's sussed you out. Two thirds of the possession, no actual sting, caught by a sucker punch every time. Lost after two goals up against Spurs, can't beat a Championship side, how Katharina Liebherr must regret not selling this busted flush when it was worth something.
Interesting for a first ever post on this site - you seem to be implying that our form's dropped off recently. If you look at leagues just made up of the past 6,8,10,12,14,16 games, in all of them we're either 8th or 9th. Suggests our overall form is pretty consistent so I'm afraid your theory doesn't really hold up. Everyone has poor games - look at Liverpool, their fans must have been so unhappy when we won at Anfield earlier in the season - they're over it now. Go and have a lie-down and it'll all be better when you get up.
Just the opposite Velleity - your tactics are now so utterly predictable that the world and his wife have sussed out how to deal with them. They give you most of the ball and just wait for the gaps - simples. Starting somewhere around Villa at home.
Yes the tactics are predictable, but that doesn't make them the wrong tactics. The only problem we have, with the tactics, is the lack of consistency in converting chances into goals, but this, with the right level of future investment, will be resolved. Similarly, the introduction of a quicker centre back, alongside Lovren (no disrespect to Fonte),would make us better equipped to defend against quick breakaways, like Zaha yesterday and Agbonlahor in the Villa game you refer to. Despite having been "sussed out", very few teams have turned us over, or dominated us. And, in all honesty, 8th place in the Premier League, in the knowledge that we could be higher, and playing some very nice football, is kind of nice. I'm guessing that your favourite colour is green?
Green? I think he bleeds blue, Baz.
He probably wears blue, but is most definitely green, with envy.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fortnam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fortnam[/bold] wrote: Same tired old tactics, a few successes at the beginning, but now everybody's sussed you out. Two thirds of the possession, no actual sting, caught by a sucker punch every time. Lost after two goals up against Spurs, can't beat a Championship side, how Katharina Liebherr must regret not selling this busted flush when it was worth something.[/p][/quote]Interesting for a first ever post on this site - you seem to be implying that our form's dropped off recently. If you look at leagues just made up of the past 6,8,10,12,14,16 games, in all of them we're either 8th or 9th. Suggests our overall form is pretty consistent so I'm afraid your theory doesn't really hold up. Everyone has poor games - look at Liverpool, their fans must have been so unhappy when we won at Anfield earlier in the season - they're over it now. Go and have a lie-down and it'll all be better when you get up.[/p][/quote]Just the opposite Velleity - your tactics are now so utterly predictable that the world and his wife have sussed out how to deal with them. They give you most of the ball and just wait for the gaps - simples. Starting somewhere around Villa at home.[/p][/quote]Yes the tactics are predictable, but that doesn't make them the wrong tactics. The only problem we have, with the tactics, is the lack of consistency in converting chances into goals, but this, with the right level of future investment, will be resolved. Similarly, the introduction of a quicker centre back, alongside Lovren (no disrespect to Fonte),would make us better equipped to defend against quick breakaways, like Zaha yesterday and Agbonlahor in the Villa game you refer to. Despite having been "sussed out", very few teams have turned us over, or dominated us. And, in all honesty, 8th place in the Premier League, in the knowledge that we could be higher, and playing some very nice football, is kind of nice. I'm guessing that your favourite colour is green?[/p][/quote]Green? I think he bleeds blue, Baz.[/p][/quote]He probably wears blue, but is most definitely green, with envy. Costa Baz
  • Score: -2

3:38pm Sun 13 Apr 14

bobby the crane says...

Ah well some you loose some you don't move on to the next game, all is not lost
Ah well some you loose some you don't move on to the next game, all is not lost bobby the crane
  • Score: -2

5:24pm Sun 13 Apr 14

hedge end bob says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Fortnam wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Fortnam wrote: Same tired old tactics, a few successes at the beginning, but now everybody's sussed you out. Two thirds of the possession, no actual sting, caught by a sucker punch every time. Lost after two goals up against Spurs, can't beat a Championship side, how Katharina Liebherr must regret not selling this busted flush when it was worth something.
Interesting for a first ever post on this site - you seem to be implying that our form's dropped off recently. If you look at leagues just made up of the past 6,8,10,12,14,16 games, in all of them we're either 8th or 9th. Suggests our overall form is pretty consistent so I'm afraid your theory doesn't really hold up. Everyone has poor games - look at Liverpool, their fans must have been so unhappy when we won at Anfield earlier in the season - they're over it now. Go and have a lie-down and it'll all be better when you get up.
Just the opposite Velleity - your tactics are now so utterly predictable that the world and his wife have sussed out how to deal with them. They give you most of the ball and just wait for the gaps - simples. Starting somewhere around Villa at home.
Yes the tactics are predictable, but that doesn't make them the wrong tactics. The only problem we have, with the tactics, is the lack of consistency in converting chances into goals, but this, with the right level of future investment, will be resolved. Similarly, the introduction of a quicker centre back, alongside Lovren (no disrespect to Fonte),would make us better equipped to defend against quick breakaways, like Zaha yesterday and Agbonlahor in the Villa game you refer to. Despite having been "sussed out", very few teams have turned us over, or dominated us. And, in all honesty, 8th place in the Premier League, in the knowledge that we could be higher, and playing some very nice football, is kind of nice. I'm guessing that your favourite colour is green?
Costa Baz , good post mate. The way we play with the full backs pushing up it is paramount that we bring in a C B with pace to cover the back line. Jose was left gasping by ZAHA and after that was looking for cover whenever Zaha had the ball. What we really need is for our boys to shoot when near their goal. Too many times this season we have tried to walk the ball into the goal instead of shooting like their player did for their goal.
When faced by a team that play two lines of four and a player in between them protecting the back four we strugle to break them down. We really need a Redman type player and someone that is greedy enough to shoot Possession football is great but much better when mking that possession count with goals. To have 70% of the ball and still loose really needs addressing.
We have had a very good season but it could and should of been better. Looking forward to going to Villa next week where i think we will win.
On another thread can anyone explain to me why people start leaving early and then STAND AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS AT THE EXIT IN BLOCK 4 OF THE ITCHEN SO WE CANT SEE THE GAME??? I have nothing against people wanting to go home but why must they stand in front of fans that wants to watch and support the boys to the final whistle. When you ask them to keep moving and go home the abuse starts.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fortnam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fortnam[/bold] wrote: Same tired old tactics, a few successes at the beginning, but now everybody's sussed you out. Two thirds of the possession, no actual sting, caught by a sucker punch every time. Lost after two goals up against Spurs, can't beat a Championship side, how Katharina Liebherr must regret not selling this busted flush when it was worth something.[/p][/quote]Interesting for a first ever post on this site - you seem to be implying that our form's dropped off recently. If you look at leagues just made up of the past 6,8,10,12,14,16 games, in all of them we're either 8th or 9th. Suggests our overall form is pretty consistent so I'm afraid your theory doesn't really hold up. Everyone has poor games - look at Liverpool, their fans must have been so unhappy when we won at Anfield earlier in the season - they're over it now. Go and have a lie-down and it'll all be better when you get up.[/p][/quote]Just the opposite Velleity - your tactics are now so utterly predictable that the world and his wife have sussed out how to deal with them. They give you most of the ball and just wait for the gaps - simples. Starting somewhere around Villa at home.[/p][/quote]Yes the tactics are predictable, but that doesn't make them the wrong tactics. The only problem we have, with the tactics, is the lack of consistency in converting chances into goals, but this, with the right level of future investment, will be resolved. Similarly, the introduction of a quicker centre back, alongside Lovren (no disrespect to Fonte),would make us better equipped to defend against quick breakaways, like Zaha yesterday and Agbonlahor in the Villa game you refer to. Despite having been "sussed out", very few teams have turned us over, or dominated us. And, in all honesty, 8th place in the Premier League, in the knowledge that we could be higher, and playing some very nice football, is kind of nice. I'm guessing that your favourite colour is green?[/p][/quote]Costa Baz , good post mate. The way we play with the full backs pushing up it is paramount that we bring in a C B with pace to cover the back line. Jose was left gasping by ZAHA and after that was looking for cover whenever Zaha had the ball. What we really need is for our boys to shoot when near their goal. Too many times this season we have tried to walk the ball into the goal instead of shooting like their player did for their goal. When faced by a team that play two lines of four and a player in between them protecting the back four we strugle to break them down. We really need a Redman type player and someone that is greedy enough to shoot Possession football is great but much better when mking that possession count with goals. To have 70% of the ball and still loose really needs addressing. We have had a very good season but it could and should of been better. Looking forward to going to Villa next week where i think we will win. On another thread can anyone explain to me why people start leaving early and then STAND AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS AT THE EXIT IN BLOCK 4 OF THE ITCHEN SO WE CANT SEE THE GAME??? I have nothing against people wanting to go home but why must they stand in front of fans that wants to watch and support the boys to the final whistle. When you ask them to keep moving and go home the abuse starts. hedge end bob
  • Score: 0

8:01pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Emsworthsaint says...

Velleity wrote:
Plenty of posters on here predicted that we'd miss J-Rod and that was proof if it were needed. Paceless up front and, more worryingly, we seem to lack anyone prepared to run at the defence and put them under pressure. He'll be sorely missed...

Positives: Gazza had a decent game despite ironic cheers when he caught the ball or punched away (and boy, did the ref allow some shoving of the GK during that three-corner spell so he ended up having to punch it) I also felt that Gastón improved a little more (as he seems to have been doing recently) bar a couple of give aways - but everyone seemed to be doing that,

So, overall, a lacklustre performance against a dire side, but, as ever, onwards and upwards!
How is it that Jason Puncheon - regarded as a fringe squad player is showing us how wrong we were - he attacks the goal week after week.

What an error
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Plenty of posters on here predicted that we'd miss J-Rod and that was proof if it were needed. Paceless up front and, more worryingly, we seem to lack anyone prepared to run at the defence and put them under pressure. He'll be sorely missed... Positives: Gazza had a decent game despite ironic cheers when he caught the ball or punched away (and boy, did the ref allow some shoving of the GK during that three-corner spell so he ended up having to punch it) I also felt that Gastón improved a little more (as he seems to have been doing recently) bar a couple of give aways - but everyone seemed to be doing that, So, overall, a lacklustre performance against a dire side, but, as ever, onwards and upwards![/p][/quote]How is it that Jason Puncheon - regarded as a fringe squad player is showing us how wrong we were - he attacks the goal week after week. What an error Emsworthsaint
  • Score: -2

8:43pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Fortnam wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Fortnam wrote: Same tired old tactics, a few successes at the beginning, but now everybody's sussed you out. Two thirds of the possession, no actual sting, caught by a sucker punch every time. Lost after two goals up against Spurs, can't beat a Championship side, how Katharina Liebherr must regret not selling this busted flush when it was worth something.
Interesting for a first ever post on this site - you seem to be implying that our form's dropped off recently. If you look at leagues just made up of the past 6,8,10,12,14,16 games, in all of them we're either 8th or 9th. Suggests our overall form is pretty consistent so I'm afraid your theory doesn't really hold up. Everyone has poor games - look at Liverpool, their fans must have been so unhappy when we won at Anfield earlier in the season - they're over it now. Go and have a lie-down and it'll all be better when you get up.
Just the opposite Velleity - your tactics are now so utterly predictable that the world and his wife have sussed out how to deal with them. They give you most of the ball and just wait for the gaps - simples. Starting somewhere around Villa at home.
Yes the tactics are predictable, but that doesn't make them the wrong tactics. The only problem we have, with the tactics, is the lack of consistency in converting chances into goals, but this, with the right level of future investment, will be resolved. Similarly, the introduction of a quicker centre back, alongside Lovren (no disrespect to Fonte),would make us better equipped to defend against quick breakaways, like Zaha yesterday and Agbonlahor in the Villa game you refer to. Despite having been "sussed out", very few teams have turned us over, or dominated us. And, in all honesty, 8th place in the Premier League, in the knowledge that we could be higher, and playing some very nice football, is kind of nice. I'm guessing that your favourite colour is green?
Costa Baz , good post mate. The way we play with the full backs pushing up it is paramount that we bring in a C B with pace to cover the back line. Jose was left gasping by ZAHA and after that was looking for cover whenever Zaha had the ball. What we really need is for our boys to shoot when near their goal. Too many times this season we have tried to walk the ball into the goal instead of shooting like their player did for their goal.
When faced by a team that play two lines of four and a player in between them protecting the back four we strugle to break them down. We really need a Redman type player and someone that is greedy enough to shoot Possession football is great but much better when mking that possession count with goals. To have 70% of the ball and still loose really needs addressing.
We have had a very good season but it could and should of been better. Looking forward to going to Villa next week where i think we will win.
On another thread can anyone explain to me why people start leaving early and then STAND AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS AT THE EXIT IN BLOCK 4 OF THE ITCHEN SO WE CANT SEE THE GAME??? I have nothing against people wanting to go home but why must they stand in front of fans that wants to watch and support the boys to the final whistle. When you ask them to keep moving and go home the abuse starts.
Two good posts.

With you all the way about the needs on the pitch, Bob and don't get me started on people leaving their seats and then standing in the way of others.

I thought Redmond was great against us at Norwich but he seems to have gone off the boil. Pity De Ridder never made it, he had the pace, but his final ball was shocking - not that our fullbacks were any better yesterday mind you.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fortnam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fortnam[/bold] wrote: Same tired old tactics, a few successes at the beginning, but now everybody's sussed you out. Two thirds of the possession, no actual sting, caught by a sucker punch every time. Lost after two goals up against Spurs, can't beat a Championship side, how Katharina Liebherr must regret not selling this busted flush when it was worth something.[/p][/quote]Interesting for a first ever post on this site - you seem to be implying that our form's dropped off recently. If you look at leagues just made up of the past 6,8,10,12,14,16 games, in all of them we're either 8th or 9th. Suggests our overall form is pretty consistent so I'm afraid your theory doesn't really hold up. Everyone has poor games - look at Liverpool, their fans must have been so unhappy when we won at Anfield earlier in the season - they're over it now. Go and have a lie-down and it'll all be better when you get up.[/p][/quote]Just the opposite Velleity - your tactics are now so utterly predictable that the world and his wife have sussed out how to deal with them. They give you most of the ball and just wait for the gaps - simples. Starting somewhere around Villa at home.[/p][/quote]Yes the tactics are predictable, but that doesn't make them the wrong tactics. The only problem we have, with the tactics, is the lack of consistency in converting chances into goals, but this, with the right level of future investment, will be resolved. Similarly, the introduction of a quicker centre back, alongside Lovren (no disrespect to Fonte),would make us better equipped to defend against quick breakaways, like Zaha yesterday and Agbonlahor in the Villa game you refer to. Despite having been "sussed out", very few teams have turned us over, or dominated us. And, in all honesty, 8th place in the Premier League, in the knowledge that we could be higher, and playing some very nice football, is kind of nice. I'm guessing that your favourite colour is green?[/p][/quote]Costa Baz , good post mate. The way we play with the full backs pushing up it is paramount that we bring in a C B with pace to cover the back line. Jose was left gasping by ZAHA and after that was looking for cover whenever Zaha had the ball. What we really need is for our boys to shoot when near their goal. Too many times this season we have tried to walk the ball into the goal instead of shooting like their player did for their goal. When faced by a team that play two lines of four and a player in between them protecting the back four we strugle to break them down. We really need a Redman type player and someone that is greedy enough to shoot Possession football is great but much better when mking that possession count with goals. To have 70% of the ball and still loose really needs addressing. We have had a very good season but it could and should of been better. Looking forward to going to Villa next week where i think we will win. On another thread can anyone explain to me why people start leaving early and then STAND AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS AT THE EXIT IN BLOCK 4 OF THE ITCHEN SO WE CANT SEE THE GAME??? I have nothing against people wanting to go home but why must they stand in front of fans that wants to watch and support the boys to the final whistle. When you ask them to keep moving and go home the abuse starts.[/p][/quote]Two good posts. With you all the way about the needs on the pitch, Bob and don't get me started on people leaving their seats and then standing in the way of others. I thought Redmond was great against us at Norwich but he seems to have gone off the boil. Pity De Ridder never made it, he had the pace, but his final ball was shocking - not that our fullbacks were any better yesterday mind you. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: -1

9:31pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

Emsworthsaint wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Plenty of posters on here predicted that we'd miss J-Rod and that was proof if it were needed. Paceless up front and, more worryingly, we seem to lack anyone prepared to run at the defence and put them under pressure. He'll be sorely missed...

Positives: Gazza had a decent game despite ironic cheers when he caught the ball or punched away (and boy, did the ref allow some shoving of the GK during that three-corner spell so he ended up having to punch it) I also felt that Gastón improved a little more (as he seems to have been doing recently) bar a couple of give aways - but everyone seemed to be doing that,

So, overall, a lacklustre performance against a dire side, but, as ever, onwards and upwards!
How is it that Jason Puncheon - regarded as a fringe squad player is showing us how wrong we were - he attacks the goal week after week.

What an error
He wanted to go back to London. If he attacks the goal every week why has he only got 6 goals. His record with us as a goalscorer was awful. That's why he was only a fringe player and that's why we let him go.
[quote][p][bold]Emsworthsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Plenty of posters on here predicted that we'd miss J-Rod and that was proof if it were needed. Paceless up front and, more worryingly, we seem to lack anyone prepared to run at the defence and put them under pressure. He'll be sorely missed... Positives: Gazza had a decent game despite ironic cheers when he caught the ball or punched away (and boy, did the ref allow some shoving of the GK during that three-corner spell so he ended up having to punch it) I also felt that Gastón improved a little more (as he seems to have been doing recently) bar a couple of give aways - but everyone seemed to be doing that, So, overall, a lacklustre performance against a dire side, but, as ever, onwards and upwards![/p][/quote]How is it that Jason Puncheon - regarded as a fringe squad player is showing us how wrong we were - he attacks the goal week after week. What an error[/p][/quote]He wanted to go back to London. If he attacks the goal every week why has he only got 6 goals. His record with us as a goalscorer was awful. That's why he was only a fringe player and that's why we let him go. Clever Dick
  • Score: -1

10:25pm Sun 13 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Emsworthsaint wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Plenty of posters on here predicted that we'd miss J-Rod and that was proof if it were needed. Paceless up front and, more worryingly, we seem to lack anyone prepared to run at the defence and put them under pressure. He'll be sorely missed...

Positives: Gazza had a decent game despite ironic cheers when he caught the ball or punched away (and boy, did the ref allow some shoving of the GK during that three-corner spell so he ended up having to punch it) I also felt that Gastón improved a little more (as he seems to have been doing recently) bar a couple of give aways - but everyone seemed to be doing that,

So, overall, a lacklustre performance against a dire side, but, as ever, onwards and upwards!
How is it that Jason Puncheon - regarded as a fringe squad player is showing us how wrong we were - he attacks the goal week after week.

What an error
I don't agree, he is a one trick pony, and was disruptive while he was here, we need a similar but much better player, lets hope something comes up in the next Window and we can start with a bit more depth in the squad ready for the new Season.
[quote][p][bold]Emsworthsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Plenty of posters on here predicted that we'd miss J-Rod and that was proof if it were needed. Paceless up front and, more worryingly, we seem to lack anyone prepared to run at the defence and put them under pressure. He'll be sorely missed... Positives: Gazza had a decent game despite ironic cheers when he caught the ball or punched away (and boy, did the ref allow some shoving of the GK during that three-corner spell so he ended up having to punch it) I also felt that Gastón improved a little more (as he seems to have been doing recently) bar a couple of give aways - but everyone seemed to be doing that, So, overall, a lacklustre performance against a dire side, but, as ever, onwards and upwards![/p][/quote]How is it that Jason Puncheon - regarded as a fringe squad player is showing us how wrong we were - he attacks the goal week after week. What an error[/p][/quote]I don't agree, he is a one trick pony, and was disruptive while he was here, we need a similar but much better player, lets hope something comes up in the next Window and we can start with a bit more depth in the squad ready for the new Season. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

11:08am Mon 14 Apr 14

george chivers says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Emsworthsaint wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Plenty of posters on here predicted that we'd miss J-Rod and that was proof if it were needed. Paceless up front and, more worryingly, we seem to lack anyone prepared to run at the defence and put them under pressure. He'll be sorely missed...

Positives: Gazza had a decent game despite ironic cheers when he caught the ball or punched away (and boy, did the ref allow some shoving of the GK during that three-corner spell so he ended up having to punch it) I also felt that Gastón improved a little more (as he seems to have been doing recently) bar a couple of give aways - but everyone seemed to be doing that,

So, overall, a lacklustre performance against a dire side, but, as ever, onwards and upwards!
How is it that Jason Puncheon - regarded as a fringe squad player is showing us how wrong we were - he attacks the goal week after week.

What an error
He wanted to go back to London. If he attacks the goal every week why has he only got 6 goals. His record with us as a goalscorer was awful. That's why he was only a fringe player and that's why we let him go.
I think our manager let him go because he doesn't want wingers in his team, he much prefers attacking full backs supporting central mid-fielders.
But wing backs rarely score goals where as wingers frequently do score goals.
I would like to have two wingers in the squad, one starting and one on the bench, they give you an option, something different. And we do need something different, our possession is out of kilter with our conversion rate of chances. We are too predictable, a winger would make us less so and more productive in terms of points.

A perfect winger like Davide Silva can play right wing, left wing, inside right, inside left and central midfield, create goals and score goals. That's what Ramirez should be doing but doesn't. Puncheon with Palace does about 50% what Silva does. Ramirez does about 15% of what Silva does.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Emsworthsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Plenty of posters on here predicted that we'd miss J-Rod and that was proof if it were needed. Paceless up front and, more worryingly, we seem to lack anyone prepared to run at the defence and put them under pressure. He'll be sorely missed... Positives: Gazza had a decent game despite ironic cheers when he caught the ball or punched away (and boy, did the ref allow some shoving of the GK during that three-corner spell so he ended up having to punch it) I also felt that Gastón improved a little more (as he seems to have been doing recently) bar a couple of give aways - but everyone seemed to be doing that, So, overall, a lacklustre performance against a dire side, but, as ever, onwards and upwards![/p][/quote]How is it that Jason Puncheon - regarded as a fringe squad player is showing us how wrong we were - he attacks the goal week after week. What an error[/p][/quote]He wanted to go back to London. If he attacks the goal every week why has he only got 6 goals. His record with us as a goalscorer was awful. That's why he was only a fringe player and that's why we let him go.[/p][/quote]I think our manager let him go because he doesn't want wingers in his team, he much prefers attacking full backs supporting central mid-fielders. But wing backs rarely score goals where as wingers frequently do score goals. I would like to have two wingers in the squad, one starting and one on the bench, they give you an option, something different. And we do need something different, our possession is out of kilter with our conversion rate of chances. We are too predictable, a winger would make us less so and more productive in terms of points. A perfect winger like Davide Silva can play right wing, left wing, inside right, inside left and central midfield, create goals and score goals. That's what Ramirez should be doing but doesn't. Puncheon with Palace does about 50% what Silva does. Ramirez does about 15% of what Silva does. george chivers
  • Score: -2

1:08pm Mon 14 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Emsworthsaint wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Plenty of posters on here predicted that we'd miss J-Rod and that was proof if it were needed. Paceless up front and, more worryingly, we seem to lack anyone prepared to run at the defence and put them under pressure. He'll be sorely missed...

Positives: Gazza had a decent game despite ironic cheers when he caught the ball or punched away (and boy, did the ref allow some shoving of the GK during that three-corner spell so he ended up having to punch it) I also felt that Gastón improved a little more (as he seems to have been doing recently) bar a couple of give aways - but everyone seemed to be doing that,

So, overall, a lacklustre performance against a dire side, but, as ever, onwards and upwards!
How is it that Jason Puncheon - regarded as a fringe squad player is showing us how wrong we were - he attacks the goal week after week.

What an error
He wanted to go back to London. If he attacks the goal every week why has he only got 6 goals. His record with us as a goalscorer was awful. That's why he was only a fringe player and that's why we let him go.
I think our manager let him go because he doesn't want wingers in his team, he much prefers attacking full backs supporting central mid-fielders.
But wing backs rarely score goals where as wingers frequently do score goals.
I would like to have two wingers in the squad, one starting and one on the bench, they give you an option, something different. And we do need something different, our possession is out of kilter with our conversion rate of chances. We are too predictable, a winger would make us less so and more productive in terms of points.

A perfect winger like Davide Silva can play right wing, left wing, inside right, inside left and central midfield, create goals and score goals. That's what Ramirez should be doing but doesn't. Puncheon with Palace does about 50% what Silva does. Ramirez does about 15% of what Silva does.
We want more players than can play inside out and back to front, a left back in the dressing room, and a right back behind the stands. When the Summer window opens we might do something about it.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Emsworthsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Plenty of posters on here predicted that we'd miss J-Rod and that was proof if it were needed. Paceless up front and, more worryingly, we seem to lack anyone prepared to run at the defence and put them under pressure. He'll be sorely missed... Positives: Gazza had a decent game despite ironic cheers when he caught the ball or punched away (and boy, did the ref allow some shoving of the GK during that three-corner spell so he ended up having to punch it) I also felt that Gastón improved a little more (as he seems to have been doing recently) bar a couple of give aways - but everyone seemed to be doing that, So, overall, a lacklustre performance against a dire side, but, as ever, onwards and upwards![/p][/quote]How is it that Jason Puncheon - regarded as a fringe squad player is showing us how wrong we were - he attacks the goal week after week. What an error[/p][/quote]He wanted to go back to London. If he attacks the goal every week why has he only got 6 goals. His record with us as a goalscorer was awful. That's why he was only a fringe player and that's why we let him go.[/p][/quote]I think our manager let him go because he doesn't want wingers in his team, he much prefers attacking full backs supporting central mid-fielders. But wing backs rarely score goals where as wingers frequently do score goals. I would like to have two wingers in the squad, one starting and one on the bench, they give you an option, something different. And we do need something different, our possession is out of kilter with our conversion rate of chances. We are too predictable, a winger would make us less so and more productive in terms of points. A perfect winger like Davide Silva can play right wing, left wing, inside right, inside left and central midfield, create goals and score goals. That's what Ramirez should be doing but doesn't. Puncheon with Palace does about 50% what Silva does. Ramirez does about 15% of what Silva does.[/p][/quote]We want more players than can play inside out and back to front, a left back in the dressing room, and a right back behind the stands. When the Summer window opens we might do something about it. OSPREYSAINT
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OSPREYSAINT says...

than = that, sorry. I put the blame for Saturdays defeat, fair and square on Lawro who predicted us to win 2 - 0.
than = that, sorry. I put the blame for Saturdays defeat, fair and square on Lawro who predicted us to win 2 - 0. OSPREYSAINT
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