Cyclists caught on camera flouting the law

Cyclists caught on camera flouting the law

Cyclists caught on camera flouting the law

Cyclists caught on camera flouting the law

Cyclists caught on camera flouting the law

Cyclists caught on camera flouting the law

Cyclists caught on camera flouting the law

Cyclists caught on camera flouting the law

First published in News by , Chief Reporter

THEY are risking a fine of hundreds of pounds – but it seems that many people are willing to flout the law when it comes to riding a bike in Basingstoke’s Top of The Town area.

The Gazette went along to monitor what was happening after we were alerted by concerned pedestrians.

The area is solely for pedestrians, and signs inform bike riders that they are not allowed to cycle or they could face a £500 fine. The Gazette spent an hour in Market Place to see just how many people ignored the signs.

Here are the first of The Gazette's pictures showing cyclists riding in a pedestrian area.

See our picture gallery for more http://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/photographs/cyclists_top_of_the_town/

*See Thursday's Gazette to find out what some of the cyclists had to say.

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11:03am Thu 20 Sep 12

nothingchanges says...

Is this really news? After all, the top of town is always rammed with pedestrians so there is literally no room to manoeuvre. I think there are much, much more important things to be worrying about than this.

In Europe, cyclists have much more freedom and they wouldn't think twice about allowing cyclists to use town centre streets, pedestrianised or not. Perhaps it's time the council provided real solutions across the entire borough for decent cycle lanes etc.

The top of town is dead anyway so surely we should be encouraging more people in - in fact, wasn't there a suggestion recently that it should be opened up to traffic. What will the people do then with cars and buses all over the place?

I'm not an avid cyclist and I'm not one of the people in the "rogue gallery" but this is just ridiculous! Oh, and has the Gazette got permission from these people to include their pictures in the paper/online?
Is this really news? After all, the top of town is always rammed with pedestrians so there is literally no room to manoeuvre. I think there are much, much more important things to be worrying about than this. In Europe, cyclists have much more freedom and they wouldn't think twice about allowing cyclists to use town centre streets, pedestrianised or not. Perhaps it's time the council provided real solutions across the entire borough for decent cycle lanes etc. The top of town is dead anyway so surely we should be encouraging more people in - in fact, wasn't there a suggestion recently that it should be opened up to traffic. What will the people do then with cars and buses all over the place? I'm not an avid cyclist and I'm not one of the people in the "rogue gallery" but this is just ridiculous! Oh, and has the Gazette got permission from these people to include their pictures in the paper/online? nothingchanges
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11:05am Thu 20 Sep 12

erbert says...

What gets me are the ones that ride through the pedestrian underpasses, there are 'no cyclying' and 'cyclist dismount' signs yet they expect those on foot to get out of the way. I've even seen the Police cycles doing the same.

The best way would be to enforce the fines, they're not much use, if you're only ever threats that never get enforced.
What gets me are the ones that ride through the pedestrian underpasses, there are 'no cyclying' and 'cyclist dismount' signs yet they expect those on foot to get out of the way. I've even seen the Police cycles doing the same. The best way would be to enforce the fines, they're not much use, if you're only ever threats that never get enforced. erbert
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12:26pm Thu 20 Sep 12

66Mike says...

Interesting report, how about decent cycle lanes to & from the Railway Station. Also how about taking photo's of the numerous police officers who cycle on paths that state no cycling such as the path between Hackwood Road & Cliddesden Road?
Interesting report, how about decent cycle lanes to & from the Railway Station. Also how about taking photo's of the numerous police officers who cycle on paths that state no cycling such as the path between Hackwood Road & Cliddesden Road? 66Mike
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12:34pm Thu 20 Sep 12

Emily Roberts says...

The Gazette does not need permission to take pictures of people in public places and use these in the newspaper or online.

This story was covered in response to comments from members of the public regarding the problem of cyclists riding on pavements, particularly at Top of The Town.
The Gazette does not need permission to take pictures of people in public places and use these in the newspaper or online. This story was covered in response to comments from members of the public regarding the problem of cyclists riding on pavements, particularly at Top of The Town. Emily Roberts
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12:52pm Thu 20 Sep 12

Quimbo says...

I'll make sure I cycle rapidly and dangerously through this area from now on. Booyah.
I'll make sure I cycle rapidly and dangerously through this area from now on. Booyah. Quimbo
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1:06pm Thu 20 Sep 12

kronik says...

I cycle to work and back most days from 1 side of BAS to the other. Its cost effective and improves health. Its quicker than driving too what with the pathetic traffic in BAS.
As there are pretty much no cycle paths, i make my own.
I dont get off my bike and push it through underpaths, and noone has ever complained. I dont stop for cars when crossing roads either.
As for the Gazette photographing people it town on their bikes - they are well sad. this isnt news. get a life and get a bike. Do you cycle to work Emily?
ps well said Quimbo haha
I cycle to work and back most days from 1 side of BAS to the other. Its cost effective and improves health. Its quicker than driving too what with the pathetic traffic in BAS. As there are pretty much no cycle paths, i make my own. I dont get off my bike and push it through underpaths, and noone has ever complained. I dont stop for cars when crossing roads either. As for the Gazette photographing people it town on their bikes - they are well sad. this isnt news. get a life and get a bike. Do you cycle to work Emily? ps well said Quimbo haha kronik
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1:17pm Thu 20 Sep 12

Best_Name_Ever says...

I guess I am just one of the lucky ones who can cycle all the way from my house to town on cycle paths.
I guess I am just one of the lucky ones who can cycle all the way from my house to town on cycle paths. Best_Name_Ever
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1:51pm Thu 20 Sep 12

kronik says...

where do you live then best_name_ever.. in town lol ?
where do you live then best_name_ever.. in town lol ? kronik
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2:12pm Thu 20 Sep 12

nothingchanges says...

Emily, you're treating these people like football hooligans or gang members who are wanted by Police. I don't see what the Gazette is trying to achieve by this?

I'd be furious if the Gazette had taken photos of me and used them to accuse me of something on a public forum without consulting me first. Especially something as ridiculous as this!

Perhaps a balanced article could put the question of WHY cyclists cycle through their town to borough councillors who can explain why there are no cross town cycle ways (or other round town routes) yet they invested tens of thousands in ridiculous cycle lane "features" on Old Kempshott Lane.

Until a viable solution to this 'problem' is provided stop picking on a handful of people to try to be sensationalist.
Emily, you're treating these people like football hooligans or gang members who are wanted by Police. I don't see what the Gazette is trying to achieve by this? I'd be furious if the Gazette had taken photos of me and used them to accuse me of something on a public forum without consulting me first. Especially something as ridiculous as this! Perhaps a balanced article could put the question of WHY cyclists cycle through their town to borough councillors who can explain why there are no cross town cycle ways (or other round town routes) yet they invested tens of thousands in ridiculous cycle lane "features" on Old Kempshott Lane. Until a viable solution to this 'problem' is provided stop picking on a handful of people to try to be sensationalist. nothingchanges
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2:18pm Thu 20 Sep 12

Folkestone Saint says...

I remember when this was a main road so when did the council get permission to say it can no longer be used as such, I feel they have too much power with noone to answer to when they make these decisions. Don't get me wrong if a cyclist is on a pavement next to a road I will tell them it is a FOOT path and yes I walk ride and drive but not at the same time.
I remember when this was a main road so when did the council get permission to say it can no longer be used as such, I feel they have too much power with noone to answer to when they make these decisions. Don't get me wrong if a cyclist is on a pavement next to a road I will tell them it is a FOOT path and yes I walk ride and drive but not at the same time. Folkestone Saint
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2:47pm Thu 20 Sep 12

keepontriking says...

You are right, these people should not be riding their bikes there, but is it really worthy of stirring up divisions?

Regarding the FPN which these cyclists risk being issued with, in 1999 the Home Secretary made this statement:

“The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required.”

So, what dangers have been caused? How many collisions? How many injuries?

Then think on this...
Look at how Basingstoke has been planned as a car-centric town by our Councillors and planners. How can a cyclist do a simple SAFE journey from somewhere like BCoT to the Civic Offices?
Work it out.

I don't condone them cycling there, but would not the campaigning for safe cycle routes be a more positive use of the paper's journalistic skills?
You are right, these people should not be riding their bikes there, but is it really worthy of stirring up divisions? Regarding the FPN which these cyclists risk being issued with, in 1999 the Home Secretary made this statement: “The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required.” So, what dangers have been caused? How many collisions? How many injuries? Then think on this... Look at how Basingstoke has been planned as a car-centric town by our Councillors and planners. How can a cyclist do a simple SAFE journey from somewhere like BCoT to the Civic Offices? Work it out. I don't condone them cycling there, but would not the campaigning for safe cycle routes be a more positive use of the paper's journalistic skills? keepontriking
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3:00pm Thu 20 Sep 12

AndrewRH says...

This article is published on the same day that the new Roads Minister announced a large campaign to improve safety for people on bicycles - well timed, Emily!

For balance, I am looking forward to photos in next week's Gazette of people who drive their cars whilst on the phone, parking on pavements, cutting off other road users, ...

Yes, the law must be respected!
This article is published on the same day that the new Roads Minister announced a large campaign to improve safety for people on bicycles - well timed, Emily! For balance, I am looking forward to photos in next week's Gazette of people who drive their cars whilst on the phone, parking on pavements, cutting off other road users, ... Yes, the law must be respected! AndrewRH
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3:06pm Thu 20 Sep 12

erbert says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
I remember when this was a main road so when did the council get permission to say it can no longer be used as such, I feel they have too much power with noone to answer to when they make these decisions. Don't get me wrong if a cyclist is on a pavement next to a road I will tell them it is a FOOT path and yes I walk ride and drive but not at the same time.
The people of Basingstoke would have given permission, each byelaw is advertised in the local newspapers, you then have every opportunity to complain if you don't what they are planning. And the council are voted in by the voters, so must answer to the voters. Right to your local councillor if you don't like it.
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: I remember when this was a main road so when did the council get permission to say it can no longer be used as such, I feel they have too much power with noone to answer to when they make these decisions. Don't get me wrong if a cyclist is on a pavement next to a road I will tell them it is a FOOT path and yes I walk ride and drive but not at the same time.[/p][/quote]The people of Basingstoke would have given permission, each byelaw is advertised in the local newspapers, you then have every opportunity to complain if you don't what they are planning. And the council are voted in by the voters, so must answer to the voters. Right to your local councillor if you don't like it. erbert
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3:16pm Thu 20 Sep 12

kronik says...

yawn this has become boring now
i ride where & when i like, i do consider walkers and they are usually very friendly as I say hello as i go past
i will continue to do so
if they wish to fine me, they'll have to catch me first. good luck :)
yawn this has become boring now i ride where & when i like, i do consider walkers and they are usually very friendly as I say hello as i go past i will continue to do so if they wish to fine me, they'll have to catch me first. good luck :) kronik
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3:17pm Thu 20 Sep 12

W Wallace says...

As I understand it this part of town may well be open to vehicular access during certain times of the day. I maybe wrong but before 9.30am and after 4.30 pm so the quote solely for use of pedestrians is wrong, however I agree that in heavily pedestrianised areas individuals should be encouraged to get off their bikes for everyone’s safety as I and several others where almost taken out by a wannabe Emma Pooley on Monday evening. Instead of fines maybe cycle awareness sessions should be held, as only 1 of the individuals is smart enough to be wearing a helmet!
But I also agree that the gazette should highlight vehicles parking badly in unauthorised areas. I'll happily take you on a 10 minute walk round my area and you can see what I am referring too. These are the proper menaces, go on get in touch.
As I understand it this part of town may well be open to vehicular access during certain times of the day. I maybe wrong but before 9.30am and after 4.30 pm so the quote solely for use of pedestrians is wrong, however I agree that in heavily pedestrianised areas individuals should be encouraged to get off their bikes for everyone’s safety as I and several others where almost taken out by a wannabe Emma Pooley on Monday evening. Instead of fines maybe cycle awareness sessions should be held, as only 1 of the individuals is smart enough to be wearing a helmet! But I also agree that the gazette should highlight vehicles parking badly in unauthorised areas. I'll happily take you on a 10 minute walk round my area and you can see what I am referring too. These are the proper menaces, go on get in touch. W Wallace
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3:49pm Thu 20 Sep 12

Quimbo says...

Why didn't you take a photo of one of the signs that says cyclists aren't allowed to cycle in the Top of Town, and prove your story about it being illegal?
Why didn't you take a photo of one of the signs that says cyclists aren't allowed to cycle in the Top of Town, and prove your story about it being illegal? Quimbo
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4:00pm Thu 20 Sep 12

JacquesMeahof says...

W Wallace - Helmets aren't a legal requirement.
W Wallace - Helmets aren't a legal requirement. JacquesMeahof
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4:16pm Thu 20 Sep 12

W Wallace says...

@Quimbo
See our picture gallery for more http://www.basingsto
kegazette.co.uk/phot
ographs/cyclists_top
_of_the_town/

They have, this link is below the story...
@Quimbo See our picture gallery for more http://www.basingsto kegazette.co.uk/phot ographs/cyclists_top _of_the_town/ They have, this link is below the story... W Wallace
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4:22pm Thu 20 Sep 12

W Wallace says...

JacquesMeahof - I never said they were. I just said only one person was smart enough to be wearing one. But thanks for your input
JacquesMeahof - I never said they were. I just said only one person was smart enough to be wearing one. But thanks for your input W Wallace
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4:24pm Thu 20 Sep 12

Quimbo says...

Sweet - cheers. Funnily enough I do recall seeing the outline of that sign - I was cycling past it so rapidly I didn't see the small print. Now I know it's illegal I'll make even more effort to cycle through as quickly as I can.

Thanks again, people.
Sweet - cheers. Funnily enough I do recall seeing the outline of that sign - I was cycling past it so rapidly I didn't see the small print. Now I know it's illegal I'll make even more effort to cycle through as quickly as I can. Thanks again, people. Quimbo
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4:27pm Thu 20 Sep 12

Quimbo says...

P.S. The sign says 'No Cycling' but it does not specify a fine. How does the Gazette know for certain that there is a fine for cycling, and that the fine is £500?
P.S. The sign says 'No Cycling' but it does not specify a fine. How does the Gazette know for certain that there is a fine for cycling, and that the fine is £500? Quimbo
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4:47pm Thu 20 Sep 12

AndrewRH says...

Something to strive towards? See how instead of divisions, inclusion works for a nip down to the shops:

http://youtu.be/dFc6
1Ku1P_M
Something to strive towards? See how instead of divisions, inclusion works for a nip down to the shops: http://youtu.be/dFc6 1Ku1P_M AndrewRH
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4:50pm Thu 20 Sep 12

AndrewRH says...

Something to strive towards? See how instead of divisions, inclusion works for a nip down to the shops:

youtu.be/dFc61Ku1P_M


If that link gets split across two lines by this comment system then just glue it back together! Title of video is "Shopping by bike (Netherlands)" by markenlei.
Something to strive towards? See how instead of divisions, inclusion works for a nip down to the shops: youtu.be/dFc61Ku1P_M If that link gets split across two lines by this comment system then just glue it back together! Title of video is "Shopping by bike (Netherlands)" by markenlei. AndrewRH
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6:41pm Thu 20 Sep 12

Folkestone Saint says...

erbert wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
I remember when this was a main road so when did the council get permission to say it can no longer be used as such, I feel they have too much power with noone to answer to when they make these decisions. Don't get me wrong if a cyclist is on a pavement next to a road I will tell them it is a FOOT path and yes I walk ride and drive but not at the same time.
The people of Basingstoke would have given permission, each byelaw is advertised in the local newspapers, you then have every opportunity to complain if you don't what they are planning. And the council are voted in by the voters, so must answer to the voters. Right to your local councillor if you don't like it.
Thank you erbert, I really did not know about by laws in local papers it maybe due to the fact that I have not brought a newspaper since 1994, however when I vote I am told what the party's are going to do if it buys vote's but not what they will do if it may lose them, so it would appear the onus is on me to find out what the local council is doing not for them (whose wages I pay) to inform me
[quote][p][bold]erbert[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: I remember when this was a main road so when did the council get permission to say it can no longer be used as such, I feel they have too much power with noone to answer to when they make these decisions. Don't get me wrong if a cyclist is on a pavement next to a road I will tell them it is a FOOT path and yes I walk ride and drive but not at the same time.[/p][/quote]The people of Basingstoke would have given permission, each byelaw is advertised in the local newspapers, you then have every opportunity to complain if you don't what they are planning. And the council are voted in by the voters, so must answer to the voters. Right to your local councillor if you don't like it.[/p][/quote]Thank you erbert, I really did not know about by laws in local papers it maybe due to the fact that I have not brought a newspaper since 1994, however when I vote I am told what the party's are going to do if it buys vote's but not what they will do if it may lose them, so it would appear the onus is on me to find out what the local council is doing not for them (whose wages I pay) to inform me Folkestone Saint
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8:23pm Thu 20 Sep 12

shame says...

Yes because there is direct coloration between cycling on paths and lawlessness just like in the wildwest. remember butch and sundace
Yes because there is direct coloration between cycling on paths and lawlessness just like in the wildwest. remember butch and sundace shame
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8:30pm Thu 20 Sep 12

JacquesMeahof says...

W Wallace wrote:
@Quimbo
See our picture gallery for more http://www.basingsto

kegazette.co.uk/phot

ographs/cyclists_top

_of_the_town/

They have, this link is below the story...
Please tell me you don't believe an inch of expanded polystyrene with a thin plastic cover will offer any substantial protection for a full grown adult?
Best you do some research if so.
[quote][p][bold]W Wallace[/bold] wrote: @Quimbo See our picture gallery for more http://www.basingsto kegazette.co.uk/phot ographs/cyclists_top _of_the_town/ They have, this link is below the story...[/p][/quote]Please tell me you don't believe an inch of expanded polystyrene with a thin plastic cover will offer any substantial protection for a full grown adult? Best you do some research if so. JacquesMeahof
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9:04am Fri 21 Sep 12

W Wallace says...

@JacquesMeahof

Well it acted as a buffer when I was knocked off my bike. To the extent that should I not have been wearing a helmet they are pretty certain it would have been my skull that cracked as opposed to the helmet.

So yes I am living proof that they do offer protection. Is that research good enough for you. You seem to know a lot about nothing.
@JacquesMeahof Well it acted as a buffer when I was knocked off my bike. To the extent that should I not have been wearing a helmet they are pretty certain it would have been my skull that cracked as opposed to the helmet. So yes I am living proof that they do offer protection. Is that research good enough for you. You seem to know a lot about nothing. W Wallace
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9:28am Fri 21 Sep 12

cybersheeep says...

Hoping that next week the Gazette spend an hour in Eastrop Park to see just how many pedestrians ignore the signs indicating which side of the shared use bicycle/foot paths they should use.
Hoping that next week the Gazette spend an hour in Eastrop Park to see just how many pedestrians ignore the signs indicating which side of the shared use bicycle/foot paths they should use. cybersheeep
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11:29am Fri 21 Sep 12

jbee37 says...

It's no good just taking photos of them. The Police need to get up there and give them a fixed penalty for £500. They might not do it again. In fact, they could send the same eight or so Police officers that were parked outside the Portsmouth arms a few weekends ago with nothing better to do than point a speed camera in the hope of catching someone doing 32 mph
It's no good just taking photos of them. The Police need to get up there and give them a fixed penalty for £500. They might not do it again. In fact, they could send the same eight or so Police officers that were parked outside the Portsmouth arms a few weekends ago with nothing better to do than point a speed camera in the hope of catching someone doing 32 mph jbee37
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12:31pm Fri 21 Sep 12

adiebb says...

I have no problem with cyclists, except the moron that expects me to move so he can go past me on the narrow footpath along the A30!
I have no problem with cyclists, except the moron that expects me to move so he can go past me on the narrow footpath along the A30! adiebb
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12:37pm Fri 21 Sep 12

JacquesMeahof says...

W Wallace.

Whilst I respect that you believe you wouldn't be alive had you not worn your helmet, factually it is impossible to prove, thankfully.

Would you be as good to read the evidence on the following link?

http://www.cyclehelm
ets.org/1209.html

The cycle helmet "truth" isn't as clear cut as the manufacturers would have us believe.
W Wallace. Whilst I respect that you believe you wouldn't be alive had you not worn your helmet, factually it is impossible to prove, thankfully. Would you be as good to read the evidence on the following link? http://www.cyclehelm ets.org/1209.html The cycle helmet "truth" isn't as clear cut as the manufacturers would have us believe. JacquesMeahof
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1:34pm Fri 21 Sep 12

AndrewRH says...

The reporter has told me that only 2 people (me being one) say a lack of bicycle paths in Basingstoke is an issue - no article planned until more people tell her same.

Drive on! (or walk as the case may be)
The reporter has told me that only 2 people (me being one) say a lack of bicycle paths in Basingstoke is an issue - no article planned until more people tell her same. Drive on! (or walk as the case may be) AndrewRH
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2:05pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Quimbo says...

AndrewRH wrote:
The reporter has told me that only 2 people (me being one) say a lack of bicycle paths in Basingstoke is an issue - no article planned until more people tell her same.

Drive on! (or walk as the case may be)
a lack of bicycle paths in Basingstoke is an issue

that's three
[quote][p][bold]AndrewRH[/bold] wrote: The reporter has told me that only 2 people (me being one) say a lack of bicycle paths in Basingstoke is an issue - no article planned until more people tell her same. Drive on! (or walk as the case may be)[/p][/quote]a lack of bicycle paths in Basingstoke is an issue that's three Quimbo
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2:30pm Fri 21 Sep 12

BasTran says...

Quimbo wrote:
AndrewRH wrote:
The reporter has told me that only 2 people (me being one) say a lack of bicycle paths in Basingstoke is an issue - no article planned until more people tell her same.

Drive on! (or walk as the case may be)
a lack of bicycle paths in Basingstoke is an issue

that's three
That's four. Maybe an article on the number of cyclists injured on B'stoke roads next week?
[quote][p][bold]Quimbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndrewRH[/bold] wrote: The reporter has told me that only 2 people (me being one) say a lack of bicycle paths in Basingstoke is an issue - no article planned until more people tell her same. Drive on! (or walk as the case may be)[/p][/quote]a lack of bicycle paths in Basingstoke is an issue that's three[/p][/quote]That's four. Maybe an article on the number of cyclists injured on B'stoke roads next week? BasTran
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4:12pm Fri 21 Sep 12

RgPostcode says...

adiebb wrote:
I have no problem with cyclists, except the moron that expects me to move so he can go past me on the narrow footpath along the A30!
Really? that path is very wide 3 times wider than normal.
[quote][p][bold]adiebb[/bold] wrote: I have no problem with cyclists, except the moron that expects me to move so he can go past me on the narrow footpath along the A30![/p][/quote]Really? that path is very wide 3 times wider than normal. RgPostcode
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4:18pm Fri 21 Sep 12

RgPostcode says...

Winchester Street/Church Street and London Street should allow bikes only Wote Street it shouldn't be. (despite the bike racks at the bottom)
They're also at the bottom of Church Street.

It's quite an issue because this area of no bikes does get in the way of getting from lets say Kings Furlong to Popley.

There is not enough cycle paths in Basingstoke I can think of about 4

1. Eastrop Park where people walk in the way of it
2. Worting Road by Lidl
3. Winklebury Way where buses will try and hit you.
4. is by Milestones.
Winchester Street/Church Street and London Street should allow bikes only Wote Street it shouldn't be. (despite the bike racks at the bottom) They're also at the bottom of Church Street. It's quite an issue because this area of no bikes does get in the way of getting from lets say Kings Furlong to Popley. There is not enough cycle paths in Basingstoke I can think of about 4 1. Eastrop Park where people walk in the way of it 2. Worting Road by Lidl 3. Winklebury Way where buses will try and hit you. 4. is by Milestones. RgPostcode
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6:00pm Fri 21 Sep 12

JacquesMeahof says...

The bits of cycle path by Lidl are a disgrace, the red surface is all coming away leaving a patchy rough to ride on surface.

You have to *really* take care going past the Lidl exit - some folk using that exit don't seem to recognise that the bike path has priority there.
The bits of cycle path by Lidl are a disgrace, the red surface is all coming away leaving a patchy rough to ride on surface. You have to *really* take care going past the Lidl exit - some folk using that exit don't seem to recognise that the bike path has priority there. JacquesMeahof
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6:36pm Fri 21 Sep 12

BTG says...

I can't even ride a bike, but I'm prepared to go with the flow.

The lack of bicycle paths in Basingstoke is an issue..........espec
ially for us motorists who cringe when the cyclists go flying out into the flow of traffic
I can't even ride a bike, but I'm prepared to go with the flow. The lack of bicycle paths in Basingstoke is an issue..........espec ially for us motorists who cringe when the cyclists go flying out into the flow of traffic BTG
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10:28pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Best_Name_Ever says...

Trouble is, when cycle paths are peovided, the majority of cyclists still use the road - I am thinking of Popley Way as a specific example. I cycle a lot more into town now this cycle path has been provided, yet still a large number of cyclists, which I see daily, still cycle on the road. So even if more cycle paths are provided, will they even be used?
Trouble is, when cycle paths are peovided, the majority of cyclists still use the road - I am thinking of Popley Way as a specific example. I cycle a lot more into town now this cycle path has been provided, yet still a large number of cyclists, which I see daily, still cycle on the road. So even if more cycle paths are provided, will they even be used? Best_Name_Ever
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1:28pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Mighty Antar says...

This isn't anything new, but it is really irritating and can only serve to aid the cause of those who think all cyclists should wear helmets and be licensed and insured. I have seen police and community service officers stop people on bikes and tell them to walk in the past. Hopefully this article will highlight the issue and serve to remind the lazy gits that think this is OK that cycling on footpaths is as bad from a pedestrians viewpoint as a car driver not giving a cyclist room when you're out on the road. Show a bit of concern for others andif you use shared paths get a bell.
This isn't anything new, but it is really irritating and can only serve to aid the cause of those who think all cyclists should wear helmets and be licensed and insured. I have seen police and community service officers stop people on bikes and tell them to walk in the past. Hopefully this article will highlight the issue and serve to remind the lazy gits that think this is OK that cycling on footpaths is as bad from a pedestrians viewpoint as a car driver not giving a cyclist room when you're out on the road. Show a bit of concern for others andif you use shared paths get a bell. Mighty Antar
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5:04pm Sun 23 Sep 12

velolutionary says...

Nice to see the gazette at the cutting edge of journalism tackling the issues that really matter. Perhaps us Basingstoke cyclists should start a critical mass ride to really set the cat amongst the pigeons.
Nice to see the gazette at the cutting edge of journalism tackling the issues that really matter. Perhaps us Basingstoke cyclists should start a critical mass ride to really set the cat amongst the pigeons. velolutionary
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10:16am Mon 24 Sep 12

keepontriking says...

Still waiting for Gazette to say how many complained :-(
And still waiting for their 'chief' reporter to take up an offer of riding around the alternative road route.
Hey, I'd even buy her a coffee after.
Still waiting for Gazette to say how many complained :-( And still waiting for their 'chief' reporter to take up an offer of riding around the alternative road route. Hey, I'd even buy her a coffee after. keepontriking
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10:16am Mon 24 Sep 12

adiebb says...

RgPostcode wrote:
adiebb wrote: I have no problem with cyclists, except the moron that expects me to move so he can go past me on the narrow footpath along the A30!
Really? that path is very wide 3 times wider than normal.
Well, you obviosusly do not walk this every day, as I do. Can I suggest you walk from the Junction with Homesteads Rd towards the BH roundabout for approx two thirds of a mile, then tell me it's 3x as wide as normal!
[quote][p][bold]RgPostcode[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adiebb[/bold] wrote: I have no problem with cyclists, except the moron that expects me to move so he can go past me on the narrow footpath along the A30![/p][/quote]Really? that path is very wide 3 times wider than normal.[/p][/quote]Well, you obviosusly do not walk this every day, as I do. Can I suggest you walk from the Junction with Homesteads Rd towards the BH roundabout for approx two thirds of a mile, then tell me it's 3x as wide as normal! adiebb
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12:06pm Mon 24 Sep 12

amazingstoke says...

As a newspaper is supposed to stir debate, I would say the 40-plus comments here alone says it is job done by the Gazette team.
As a newspaper is supposed to stir debate, I would say the 40-plus comments here alone says it is job done by the Gazette team. amazingstoke
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5:26pm Mon 24 Sep 12

robertspet8 says...

So you know my position - I drive a car every day, I walk ever day and I cycle far too infrequently.
I was surprised to learn that the TOT is a cycle free zone. But why a £500 when it is only £60 for a speeding in a car - which will cause the greater damage and injury, a bike or a car?
I agree with many of the above comments:
Basingstoke is far too car-centric, although improvemnts for both cyclists and pedestrians are gradually being made.
Why not put a cycle lane down the middle of the TOT?
Too many cyclists are flouting the laws which in turn are not being inforced.
As amazingstoke infers this is a good article - it has made people think and has created a debate.
So you know my position - I drive a car every day, I walk ever day and I cycle far too infrequently. I was surprised to learn that the TOT is a cycle free zone. But why a £500 when it is only £60 for a speeding in a car - which will cause the greater damage and injury, a bike or a car? I agree with many of the above comments: Basingstoke is far too car-centric, although improvemnts for both cyclists and pedestrians are gradually being made. Why not put a cycle lane down the middle of the TOT? Too many cyclists are flouting the laws which in turn are not being inforced. As amazingstoke infers this is a good article - it has made people think and has created a debate. robertspet8
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6:14pm Mon 24 Sep 12

DougieL says...

The problem we have and the reason folks cycle across the Top of the Town has a number of causes:

1. When they built Festival Place they blocked the nice access road that went under the Malls from West to East.

2. There's a safe, sensible, desirable one-way route from East to West going round Timberlake/New Road. But the only coherent route from West to East is Churchill Way dual carriageway through the tunnel. You'll understand why folks dislike that - it's not safe, sensible or desirable in the dark with cars travelling at 40mph (and more).

3. The signs that prohibit cycling on London St/Winchester St are not to Highways Agency/DfT standards. They are tiny almost invisible little circles just about at ground level. Where's the head height sign that's at least 27cm in diameter?

4. Is there a current valid traffic restriction order (TRO) in force to prevent cycling? There's a "No Vehicles" (Except for Access) sign at the Winton Sq end, but I'm using the route to access some of the premises in the town - so that doesn't count.

5. As robertspet8 says, "Why not have an authorised cycle route?" As long as everyone slows down a bit there's enough room to share the ToT with pedestrians. Make the route twisty (not direct like the Romans made it) and cyclists will have to slow to avoid traffic calming obstacles.
The problem we have and the reason folks cycle across the Top of the Town has a number of causes: 1. When they built Festival Place they blocked the nice access road that went under the Malls from West to East. 2. There's a safe, sensible, desirable one-way route from East to West going round Timberlake/New Road. But the only coherent route from West to East is Churchill Way dual carriageway through the tunnel. You'll understand why folks dislike that - it's not safe, sensible or desirable in the dark with cars travelling at 40mph (and more). 3. The signs that prohibit cycling on London St/Winchester St are not to Highways Agency/DfT standards. They are tiny almost invisible little circles just about at ground level. Where's the head height sign that's at least 27cm in diameter? 4. Is there a current valid traffic restriction order (TRO) in force to prevent cycling? There's a "No Vehicles" (Except for Access) sign at the Winton Sq end, but I'm using the route to access some of the premises in the town - so that doesn't count. 5. As robertspet8 says, "Why not have an authorised cycle route?" As long as everyone slows down a bit there's enough room to share the ToT with pedestrians. Make the route twisty (not direct like the Romans made it) and cyclists will have to slow to avoid traffic calming obstacles. DougieL
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7:14pm Mon 24 Sep 12

CathMeIfYouCan says...

OK, Facts First (or Laws) The Gazette does not need your permission to photograph and publish said photographs, provided they were taken in a public place with no reasonable expectation of privacy.

So yeah, sucks to be us 'Criminals' caught on camera. Even if most of them are arse shots, I look great kitted up and riding on my bike, thanks Gazette!

Opinion next. While the cycle routes are great in Basingstoke, connecting the dots to make a complete transport network is sorely needed. I take friends cycling occasionally and there's no cycle route from Brighton Hill to the town centre that doesn't involve some road work. Not much fun if you have kids in your group. Positively nerve racking if they are under 12. (They wobble a lot and are easily distracted)

Fun facts. One there's a pic of me in that lot and I look great, happy and fit.

Two: Opinion. If the Police and PCSOs would like to set the example and get off their own bikes and walk, I would happily follow.

That I have to make room for them, when they are on a pathway, is just plain rude. I ride the cycle routes and always encounter foot traffic meandering across into the clearly marked cycle lanes, I consider it my job to avoid the pedestrians and thread my way through them, not the other way around.

In the same way car drivers have the rule about not taking action that causes others to take avoiding action, I apply the same rule to sharing the environment with pets, children, parents, slow moving wobbly PCSOs on bikes, distracted workmen, old people, cars buses and trucks.

Three: Taunt. Catch me if you think you're going to be giving me a £500 fine. I'm on bike and a hell of a lot fitter than the lardy boys and girls in uniform I see most days.

Fun Downhill Fact :
If you can hit the Top of town early (7am-7:30am) there's almost no one around. From the top of town, down the hill past Halifax, past Waggamamas, through the food court and past Lloyds, down towards the fountains, take a sharp left and you're under Churchill way. Do that at full tilt, the most Urban fun I've had in years. Remember it's not the speed that kills you, it's coming to a sudden stop that'll do it.
OK, Facts First (or Laws) The Gazette does not need your permission to photograph and publish said photographs, provided they were taken in a public place with no reasonable expectation of privacy. So yeah, sucks to be us 'Criminals' caught on camera. Even if most of them are arse shots, I look great kitted up and riding on my bike, thanks Gazette! Opinion next. While the cycle routes are great in Basingstoke, connecting the dots to make a complete transport network is sorely needed. I take friends cycling occasionally and there's no cycle route from Brighton Hill to the town centre that doesn't involve some road work. Not much fun if you have kids in your group. Positively nerve racking if they are under 12. (They wobble a lot and are easily distracted) Fun facts. One there's a pic of me in that lot and I look great, happy and fit. Two: Opinion. If the Police and PCSOs would like to set the example and get off their own bikes and walk, I would happily follow. That I have to make room for them, when they are on a pathway, is just plain rude. I ride the cycle routes and always encounter foot traffic meandering across into the clearly marked cycle lanes, I consider it my job to avoid the pedestrians and thread my way through them, not the other way around. In the same way car drivers have the rule about not taking action that causes others to take avoiding action, I apply the same rule to sharing the environment with pets, children, parents, slow moving wobbly PCSOs on bikes, distracted workmen, old people, cars buses and trucks. Three: Taunt. Catch me if you think you're going to be giving me a £500 fine. I'm on bike and a hell of a lot fitter than the lardy boys and girls in uniform I see most days. Fun Downhill Fact : If you can hit the Top of town early (7am-7:30am) there's almost no one around. From the top of town, down the hill past Halifax, past Waggamamas, through the food court and past Lloyds, down towards the fountains, take a sharp left and you're under Churchill way. Do that at full tilt, the most Urban fun I've had in years. Remember it's not the speed that kills you, it's coming to a sudden stop that'll do it. CathMeIfYouCan
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7:17pm Mon 24 Sep 12

CathMeIfYouCan says...

Just something for my co-criminals. "Helmets People, HELMETS!"
Just something for my co-criminals. "Helmets People, HELMETS!" CathMeIfYouCan
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3:47pm Tue 25 Sep 12

dunkinbiskit says...

Maybe next week someone can stand by a cylcle lane and take pictures of pedestrians with their heads down texting on there mobiles, not knowing there on a cycle path.
Maybe next week someone can stand by a cylcle lane and take pictures of pedestrians with their heads down texting on there mobiles, not knowing there on a cycle path. dunkinbiskit
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5:55pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Cyclemania says...

An absolutely ludicrous article by the Gazette now trying to get people to buy the next edition to see if the've been caught by the cameras.

I personally am a cyclist and use these "paths" with respect to others every day (as do the Market traders with their vehicles twice a week!) and the bike shop to let customers try out new bikes.

As others have said trying to get from one side of town to the other on a bike is virtually impossible if you don't either use the top of town or cycle around ring roads and roundabouts which are not safe for bikes.

The top of town became pedestrianised when other roads could still be used however there are very few roads that I now feel safe riding a bicycle on.

I have been a gazette reader for a long time but if they're putting this much emphasis into catching cyclists this is not the sort of newspaper that I want to read.
An absolutely ludicrous article by the Gazette now trying to get people to buy the next edition to see if the've been caught by the cameras. I personally am a cyclist and use these "paths" with respect to others every day (as do the Market traders with their vehicles twice a week!) and the bike shop to let customers try out new bikes. As others have said trying to get from one side of town to the other on a bike is virtually impossible if you don't either use the top of town or cycle around ring roads and roundabouts which are not safe for bikes. The top of town became pedestrianised when other roads could still be used however there are very few roads that I now feel safe riding a bicycle on. I have been a gazette reader for a long time but if they're putting this much emphasis into catching cyclists this is not the sort of newspaper that I want to read. Cyclemania
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12:27am Sat 29 Sep 12

Quimbo says...

p.s.

"Cyclists caught on camera flouting the law"

so what?
p.s. "Cyclists caught on camera flouting the law" so what? Quimbo
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1:26pm Sun 30 Sep 12

velolutionary says...

Have just read the letter from the young at heart forum and it appears somewhat ironic to me that an organisation named thus is so vehemently opposed to an activity that has a track record of keeping its participants hearts on average as healthy as someone ten years younger.Still its a funny old world
Have just read the letter from the young at heart forum and it appears somewhat ironic to me that an organisation named thus is so vehemently opposed to an activity that has a track record of keeping its participants hearts on average as healthy as someone ten years younger.Still its a funny old world velolutionary
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1:38pm Sun 30 Sep 12

velolutionary says...

amazingstoke wrote:
As a newspaper is supposed to stir debate, I would say the 40-plus comments here alone says it is job done by the Gazette team.
My understanding is that a newspapers primary function is to report on events with a reasonable degree of impartiality
this enables informed debate to take place reactionary lazy journalism helps nobody
[quote][p][bold]amazingstoke[/bold] wrote: As a newspaper is supposed to stir debate, I would say the 40-plus comments here alone says it is job done by the Gazette team.[/p][/quote]My understanding is that a newspapers primary function is to report on events with a reasonable degree of impartiality this enables informed debate to take place reactionary lazy journalism helps nobody velolutionary
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4:22pm Tue 2 Oct 12

robertspet8 says...

velolutionary wrote:
amazingstoke wrote: As a newspaper is supposed to stir debate, I would say the 40-plus comments here alone says it is job done by the Gazette team.
My understanding is that a newspapers primary function is to report on events with a reasonable degree of impartiality this enables informed debate to take place reactionary lazy journalism helps nobody
I do not think you are as naive as your comment suggests.
The primary function of a newspaper is to make money for its owners (Newsquest in this instance). The Gazette has printed a trailer at the top of this page, not an article. This means we have to read the article in the Thursday Gazette to assess how impartially they have treated the subject (although I expect the majority of us will read it for voyeuristic reasons). But of course The Gazette wants us to buy the Thursday edition for financial reasons. Trailing news articles is common practice and is employed by all the news media - printed, TV, online, etc. If they did not whet our appetites with little morsels like this they would soon lose their audience.
As amazingstoke says, 'job done by the Gazette.'
[quote][p][bold]velolutionary[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]amazingstoke[/bold] wrote: As a newspaper is supposed to stir debate, I would say the 40-plus comments here alone says it is job done by the Gazette team.[/p][/quote]My understanding is that a newspapers primary function is to report on events with a reasonable degree of impartiality this enables informed debate to take place reactionary lazy journalism helps nobody[/p][/quote]I do not think you are as naive as your comment suggests. The primary function of a newspaper is to make money for its owners (Newsquest in this instance). The Gazette has printed a trailer at the top of this page, not an article. This means we have to read the article in the Thursday Gazette to assess how impartially they have treated the subject (although I expect the majority of us will read it for voyeuristic reasons). But of course The Gazette wants us to buy the Thursday edition for financial reasons. Trailing news articles is common practice and is employed by all the news media - printed, TV, online, etc. If they did not whet our appetites with little morsels like this they would soon lose their audience. As amazingstoke says, 'job done by the Gazette.' robertspet8
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