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Asbestos: Remove it from our schools


NEARLY all children in the Basingstoke area are being taught in schools containing asbestos.

Now one leading head teacher has called for the buildings to be stripped of the potentially lethal substance.

An investigation by The Gazette has revealed that all but two of the borough’s schools contain asbestos in some form.

The most serious type of the mineral – blue asbestos or crocidolite – is present in 11 of the borough’s 76 state schools.

Asbestos was widely used in the UK for building insulation up until 1985 when the use of products containing certain types of asbestos was banned.

The substance can be lethal if it is disturbed and fibres are inhaled, leading to asbestosis, mesothelioma and lung cancer.

Brighton Hill Community College, in Brighton Way – Basingstoke’s largest secondary school with about 1,300 pupils – has all three forms of asbestos present – crocidolite, amosite and chrysotile.

Head teacher David Eyre told The Gazette he believes asbestos should be removed from all Hampshire schools.

He said: "Having asbestos at the school makes life very difficult in terms of drilling holes into the walls and moving things around because it might be disturbed.

"These are schools full of children and I believe passionately that their health should be put before money and that all school buildings should be stripped of asbestos.

"I think it's a nonsense that Hampshire County Council does not remove the substance from school buildings. They should at least be on a par safety-wise with office buildings."

The scale of asbestos in Basingstoke's schools was revealed by a Freedom of Information request submitted by The Gazette to Hampshire County Council, which manages the buildings.

Cranbourne Business and Enterprise College, in Wessex Close, Basingstoke, contains amosite and chrysotile. It was the scene of a fire in an arts storeroom on June 11 and head teacher Betty Elkins said the blaze had disturbed asbestos.Mrs Elkins said: "The first thing that happened after the fire was we checked the asbestos register, found out it was in that block and stopped pupils going near it.

"We've had to install bits of false ceilings in many of the classrooms because we use electronic whiteboards. We needed blinds to keep the light out but we weren't allowed to drill into the ceiling.

"Having the substance present can be very obstructive and it also means that any work we want done is much more expensive and takes much more time."

The Health and Safety Executive has revealed that 228 teachers died from asbestos-related diseases between 1991 and 2005. The executive estimates the substance is responsible for 4,000 deaths per year.

The only schools in the borough that do not have asbestos are Great Binfields Primary School and Everest Community College and this is due to them being built after asbestos regulations came into place.

Ron Clooney, national executive member for the central southern England branch of the teacher's union NASUWT, said: "This is a major issue and it shouldn't even be up for debate that this asbestos needs to be removed.

"It's very dangerous. There have been hundreds of deaths across the country as a result of asbestos. All it takes is one drawing pin to be stuck into an asbestos wallboard for between 5,000 to 10,000 cancerous fibres to be released, and just one fibre can be deadly.

"Hampshire County Council has an education surplus of £40million and that could easily cover the cost of removing the substance and potentially saving children's lives."

Hampshire County Council said it holds an asbestos register for every building, which informs building workers and is available to the public.

Hampshire County Council chief executive Andrew Smith said: "Hampshire County Council's education estate contains a wide range of asbestos-containing materials in varying quantities at different sites.

"All known asbestos materials are inspected through a comprehensive re-inspection programme and maintained in good condition, so that any risk is minimised.

"We closely monitor the quantity and type of asbestos in a material and take this into consideration as part of the risk assessment, which helps to form the basis of our programme of action and monitoring."

Click HERE to find out whether your school has asbestos.

Comments(16)

vernonbutcher says...
1:07pm Thu 25 Jun 09

If there is even a minimal chance of children being harmed by asbestos that is too great a risk. We invest too much time and effort into our children to then send them to school into conditions that may put them at risk. Hampshire County Council are leaving themselves open to criticism here. Once again it is all about cost but they will not say it. This should be a priority but it will be swept under the carpet as usual.

Philip Heath says...
1:48pm Thu 25 Jun 09

Current thinking is if you do not disturb the asbestos then leave it in place.

That is not satisfactory for schools where a high volume of people move around, the fabric is part of the educational working for graphics and other items to be displayed as well as new technical equipment being attached to walls and ceilings.

I having visited many schools saw many examples of walls and ceilings being damaged by accident or regretably on purpose by students . simply moving furniture can be a cause.

Once the seal over the asbestos is broken it is too late for staff and children.

Having watched my mother in law die from asbestos related cancer, that gradually solidified her lungs and choked her to death I never want to see that again.

All heads and staff must back David Eyre weldone to him for speaking out.

We have to find the money for this now.

R_Johnson says...
2:01pm Thu 25 Jun 09

Whilst we have to take any risk seriously, how many thousands of children have passed through local schools with asbestos fire protection? How many asbestos related deaths in the children that have passed through these schools? How many children have started smoking during their time at asbestos protected school and gone on to develop cancer? I wonder what the ratio is ?

I am suspicious of the motives of David Eyre. A man who wants more building to enable a 'six form' suddenly makes such a noise about the building fabric of his school.

Funny thing with life, there is often a small and manageable risk with lots of things.

Nice to see the local nutter trolls jumping on the bandwagon as it rolls through.

vernonbutcher says...
2:38pm Thu 25 Jun 09

R_Johnson

Apologise to the people of Merton Rise, Marnel Park and Popley.
You are obviousle dim-witted as Maria Miller in the Basinsgtoke Observer has called for more investment in schools and these buildings will need to be refurbished eventually anyway. Is Maria Miller a Tory crank or loony then?
Come on give me your answer

R_Johnson says...
4:49pm Thu 25 Jun 09

You are ranting Vernon.

Let me answer your question.

NO. I'm not going to apologise to the people of Popley. We have seen money thrown at a school and it continues to fail. We have seen Tesco refuse to deliver to parts of it. I think it is fair game to make jokes about it and I don't apologise for it. I can understand your emotional turnmoil and that your feelings may be hurt but I don't honestly care.

Now, my turn.
Are you claiming to speak for all the people of Merton Rise as their elected representetive. That would be the best laugh I've had in my life.

vernonbutcher says...
5:33pm Thu 25 Jun 09

R_Johnson

Thank you..say what you like that just proves the type of person you are and you are not worthy of debating. No emotional turmoil here just seeing if you were big enough to apologise obviously not. I am glad that the people of Merton Rise, Marnel Park and Popley can see what type of person you are. Look in your Gazette there is a write up on a high achieving pupil and the school is improving so you need to be careful what you say.

R_Johnson says...
5:54pm Thu 25 Jun 09

On Tuesday Stephen Reid asked you:

" would you like to share with us the policies you have put in place to regenerate Basingstoke"

You did not respond. I have asked you to give some detail and answer some questions, let me remind you:

You said you would invest in the future. I asked you be specific.

"in skills.."
Can you be specific

"in transport.."
Can you be specific

"in retail facilities..."
Can you be specific. What are we lacking - what would *you* do with our money?

"in leisure facilities."
What are we lacking - what would *you* do with our money?

You also said;
"I am willing to debate with you on any subject you wish."
But you still have not answered the questions.

I also asked you if you are now claiming to speak for the people of Popley as their representative. I would like you to answer that too please.

But you don't answer. You spin and twist. I have as long as it takes Vernon. Can you answer the questions you have been asked?

If you want people to stop thinking you are a nutter and a joke, just answer the questions!

If you are just lonely and need to talk about your issues try these people for tea and sympathy:

http://www.samaritan
s.org/

R_Johnson says...
7:20pm Thu 25 Jun 09

There is no problem at this school. To quote Phil Heath's website;

'As councillors we have worked with schools and community centres as members and governors to provide new heating, classrooms and facilities'

And during this the question of Asbestos never came up? Really? My firm have been asking that question for the last 20 years. Ummmm.

Phil see's the bandwagon rollin thru the town...
Jump on that bandwagon you can't keep that Tory down....

Thank you for your website confirming your involvment in the school that has the Asbestos problem. Very soon somebody else will deal with the mess. They should leave a bandwagon for you to jump on once they are done....

Christine Heath says...
7:06pm Fri 26 Jun 09

I see that my husband Phil has got in before me, but I do agree with what he says, it is true that my mother died nearly 19 years ago from mesothelioma, a form of asbestos related cancer, and by some considered the most severe and painful. My mother Jean was a welder during the second world war, she worked on the original Ark Royal in Plymouth Dockyard where my family originate from, being small like me she could squeeze in to the most unaccessable spaces with her welding arc, at the time no one mentioned that both the tools she used and the ship were lined or covered in asbestos, or indeed that it presented any danger, my mum and dad married in 1940, she was 19 and dad (steve)was 21 in 1990 on the 29th October they celebrated their 50th Wedding Anniversary on the 13th November mum passed away from this dreadful illness after a considerable length of time suffering its affects, her breathing was laboured because her lung had solidified like a lump of concrete, she was in terrible pain, and all it took was a few fibres of asbestos, which for anyone who doesn't know can sit in the lungs for years in my mum's case decades and it grows like a living entity until finally it becomes a solid mass, whilst some may feel the risk is low to the children who attend our schools and I certainly would never wish this on anyone I do feel that history has taught her that this material should and must be removed as soon as practical, taking into consideration of course the safety and health of those employed to remove it. I would like to finally add, please do not under estimate the severity of this illness its terrible affects on the sufferer, or indeed the devastation it causes to family members having to watch that person suffer in such a way, and having to live without them after they have passed away

vernonbutcher says...
1:47am Sat 27 Jun 09

To the people of Basingstoke and especially residents of Popley, Merton Rise and Marnel Park
I would like to bring to your attention what a Tory Party blogger said about our estates...of Merton Rise, Marnel Park and Popley... that they would be better places with travellers here and if they sent their children to Everest that they would probably improve the school and its exam
grades. I personally find that arrogant, rude and disrespectful to not just the estates in question but all residents in Basingstoke. When I
challenged him
to apologise this was his reply...

'NO. I'm not going to apologise to the people of Popley. We have seen money thrown at a school and it continues to fail. We have seen Tesco refuse to deliver to parts of it. I think it is fair game to make jokes about it and I don't apologise for it. I can understand your emotional turnmoil and that your feelings may be hurt but I don't honestly care.'

The teachers in Everest are working hard to improve the reputation of the school and do not need this.
Join us at the Basingstoke First Community Party and work towards an apology from the Tories our website is: Basingstoke.Firstcom
munityparty.com

We are the only party from Basingstoke, of Basingstoke and with the people of Basingstoke. Join with us, we look forward to and thank you for your support!!

Please note - as good debate is about meaningful discussion and not personal attacks I will not respond to any comments from R_Johnson or any parties I deem to be linked them.

Bonzo_Dog says...
7:50am Sat 27 Jun 09

Waffling in here too I see vernon? You're trying to bore everyone silly aren't you? And succeeding too!

You should stand for something somewhere, but just not here!

Bonzo_Dog says...
8:16am Sat 27 Jun 09

Asbestos removal is done very carefully and only as and when required.
As someone else mentioned, most asbestos is safe unless disturbed.

I used to work with asbestos many years ago, but not that often. That was before the dangers were known.
I used to smoke too, which is an even bigger (legal) health danger.

Many who used to work with lagging and insultion suffered the most.

Many others suffered too from industrial related health issues that need highlighting.


vernonbutcher says...
9:23am Sat 27 Jun 09

Unlike other parties - we at the Basingstoke First Community Party do not hide behind aliases and shady practices to make our point. You will see that Christine & Phil Heath and myself use our names. We are big enough to stand above the parapet in full view.


vernonbutcher says...
9:39am Sat 27 Jun 09

It is interesting to see Tory 'oh well its there' comments.
This is not just about us it is about the future and we have an obligation to deliver Basingstoke in the best shape we can to future generations.
In a previous article a tory blogger when pressed on potential 10% council cuts stated he would like to see 40% cuts. Asked in what he said anything that can be cut, now lets think rationally..

40% of:

1) NHS care
2) Ambulance Services
3) Education and school development
4) Elderly care
5) Transport infrastructure
6) Housing development

There appears to be a defining point here - who are the most likely to suffer. The elderly, infirm, children and those who are the most vulnerable in society.
The choices seem clear - Tory slash and burn or a more thoughtful approach to services in Basingstoke.

We at the Basingstoke First Community Party are committed to public services, join us in our fight for Basingstoke.

Our website is: Basingstoke.Firstcom

munityparty.com

Please note - as good debate is about meaningful discussion and not personal attacks I will not respond to any comments from R_Johnson or any parties I deem to be linked them.

Christine Heath says...
5:01pm Sat 27 Jun 09

I am very interestd in all the comments that have been posted, however, I do think we may have strayed fromm the point, we are talking about asbestos in our schools, and perhaps even our work places, it is quite right that everyone has their say that is why we are a demoscracy, and yes I am the group leader of Basingstoke First Community Party and we welcome opinion from all regardless of whether we agree, because everyone has a right to their own views and opinions, however the main issue here is should we or not support the Head at Brighton Hill in his quest to rid the school of asbestos, and as previously stated in my last posting, which I believe all will agree was a very personal and painful recollection of my mothers illness, I speaking only for myself welcome any attempt to rid our community of this evil material

vernonbutcher says...
9:23pm Sat 27 Jun 09

Christine

I welcome your comments and I agree totally with you. May I also add that without the necessary investment in schools the refurbishment of the schools will not take place. The Tories seem to have lost sight of this. This will impact on generations to come therefore it is our duty to ensure that we have done our best to mitigate any risks to these future generations of teachers and pupils alike.


David Eyre, head teacher at Brighton Hill Community College The fire damaged store room.

David Eyre, head teacher at Brighton Hill Community College

An arts storeroom at Cranbourne Business and Enterprise College following a fire this month



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