Workers filmed throwing objects from top of HSBC building with no safety barrier to protect public

Basingstoke Gazette: Workers filmed throwing objects from top of HSBC building with no safety barrier to protect public Workers filmed throwing objects from top of HSBC building with no safety barrier to protect public

THE video below shows workers who were removing scaffolding from a building at Top of The Town throwing objects to the ground without any safety barrier to protect those walking below.

The workers were filmed this afternoon after members of the public stopped to watch in alarm as one man launched large scaffolding poles from near the top of the HSBC building, in London Street, to a man stood in a truck below, who caught them.

But there was nothing to prevent the poles from ending up in the street if they were not caught, or if the aim of the thrower was out.

This was followed by further objects being thrown from a height to the ground below, as can be seen in the video.

One passer-by shouted out that the work appeared to be dangerous, but the workers continued and ignored the concerns.

It is not clear what company had been contracted to carry out the work for HSBC.

Emma Fahy, media relations manager for HSBC, said: “We take the safety of our customers and passers-by very seriously and are fully investigating this matter. Work is currently being carried out to repair the roof and fascias of the branch.

“We apologise to any passers-by who were alarmed by this incident.”

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11:47pm Tue 17 Jun 14

BasingstokeCouncilSuck says...

I think you'll find that Basingstoke scaffolding companies are exempt from any Health and Safety at Work regulations, as well as the Highway Code.
I think you'll find that Basingstoke scaffolding companies are exempt from any Health and Safety at Work regulations, as well as the Highway Code. BasingstokeCouncilSuck
  • Score: 27

8:56am Wed 18 Jun 14

Hooked on you says...

Did anyone also see from the video 2 boys on their skateboards
Did anyone also see from the video 2 boys on their skateboards Hooked on you
  • Score: -23

1:26pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Dave420 says...

There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..
There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO.. Dave420
  • Score: -32

11:03pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Andysj says...

Has no one ever seen scaffolders work before! This is how they do it!! People these days just want to find something to moan about!
Has no one ever seen scaffolders work before! This is how they do it!! People these days just want to find something to moan about! Andysj
  • Score: -25

11:18am Fri 20 Jun 14

JJ38JJ says...

Dave420 wrote:
There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..
My house has never burnt down either. So by your logic I can get rid of my smoke detector.
[quote][p][bold]Dave420[/bold] wrote: There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..[/p][/quote]My house has never burnt down either. So by your logic I can get rid of my smoke detector. JJ38JJ
  • Score: 28

3:25pm Fri 20 Jun 14

robertspet8 says...

Andysj wrote:
Has no one ever seen scaffolders work before! This is how they do it!! People these days just want to find something to moan about!
It is this sort of ignorant attitude which means we need Health & Safety to protect the public from irresponsible companies and workmen.
These scaffolders were in breach of several regulations applying to scaffolding. The main ones applying to Protection of the Public are in the following extract:
When scaffolding operations are in progress the public must be excluded from both the area of work and a sufficient area around it. Steps to ensure this will include:
•Obtaining a temporary pavement or street closure whilst operations are carried out;
•Undertaking operations in 'quiet' hours i.e. early morning, at night or weekends;
•Incorporating fans, crash decks and "tunnels" as early as possible into a scaffold;
•Erecting barriers and signs and diverting the public away from operations;
•Storing scaffold clips and other loose materials safely on the scaffold; and
•Not raising or lowering materials over members of the public or other site workers. Also consider that disabled persons need proper access along pavements covered by scaffolding.
[quote][p][bold]Andysj[/bold] wrote: Has no one ever seen scaffolders work before! This is how they do it!! People these days just want to find something to moan about![/p][/quote]It is this sort of ignorant attitude which means we need Health & Safety to protect the public from irresponsible companies and workmen. These scaffolders were in breach of several regulations applying to scaffolding. The main ones applying to Protection of the Public are in the following extract: When scaffolding operations are in progress the public must be excluded from both the area of work and a sufficient area around it. Steps to ensure this will include: •Obtaining a temporary pavement or street closure whilst operations are carried out; •Undertaking operations in 'quiet' hours i.e. early morning, at night or weekends; •Incorporating fans, crash decks and "tunnels" as early as possible into a scaffold; •Erecting barriers and signs and diverting the public away from operations; •Storing scaffold clips and other loose materials safely on the scaffold; and •Not raising or lowering materials over members of the public or other site workers. Also consider that disabled persons need proper access along pavements covered by scaffolding. robertspet8
  • Score: 27

3:44pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Sam_Walker123456 says...

Dave420 wrote:
There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..
1 The lorry will not keep the public out. There is plenty of room for people to walk between the lorry and the building. Only a full perimeter barrier will suffice.
2 This is not an example of H&S gone mad, this is a real threat to safety.
3 Nobody was hurt this time, but if somebody was then there would be no defence in law for the contractors because any sensible person can see that there was a foreseeable risk.
[quote][p][bold]Dave420[/bold] wrote: There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..[/p][/quote]1 The lorry will not keep the public out. There is plenty of room for people to walk between the lorry and the building. Only a full perimeter barrier will suffice. 2 This is not an example of H&S gone mad, this is a real threat to safety. 3 Nobody was hurt this time, but if somebody was then there would be no defence in law for the contractors because any sensible person can see that there was a foreseeable risk. Sam_Walker123456
  • Score: 29

5:25pm Fri 20 Jun 14

radders19 says...

Having watched the video, can someone point out to me to the time the poles were launched to the man in the back of the truck. I just can't see it.
Also, the man sat on the bench in the high viz top. Is he there to keep people from walking through that area?
Having watched the video, can someone point out to me to the time the poles were launched to the man in the back of the truck. I just can't see it. Also, the man sat on the bench in the high viz top. Is he there to keep people from walking through that area? radders19
  • Score: -18

10:03pm Fri 20 Jun 14

shame says...

robertspet8 wrote:
Andysj wrote:
Has no one ever seen scaffolders work before! This is how they do it!! People these days just want to find something to moan about!
It is this sort of ignorant attitude which means we need Health & Safety to protect the public from irresponsible companies and workmen.
These scaffolders were in breach of several regulations applying to scaffolding. The main ones applying to Protection of the Public are in the following extract:
When scaffolding operations are in progress the public must be excluded from both the area of work and a sufficient area around it. Steps to ensure this will include:
•Obtaining a temporary pavement or street closure whilst operations are carried out;
•Undertaking operations in 'quiet' hours i.e. early morning, at night or weekends;
•Incorporating fans, crash decks and "tunnels" as early as possible into a scaffold;
•Erecting barriers and signs and diverting the public away from operations;
•Storing scaffold clips and other loose materials safely on the scaffold; and
•Not raising or lowering materials over members of the public or other site workers. Also consider that disabled persons need proper access along pavements covered by scaffolding.
Very well done Andysj for surviving for as long as you have given your apparent ignorant attitude , Sir i salute you
[quote][p][bold]robertspet8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andysj[/bold] wrote: Has no one ever seen scaffolders work before! This is how they do it!! People these days just want to find something to moan about![/p][/quote]It is this sort of ignorant attitude which means we need Health & Safety to protect the public from irresponsible companies and workmen. These scaffolders were in breach of several regulations applying to scaffolding. The main ones applying to Protection of the Public are in the following extract: When scaffolding operations are in progress the public must be excluded from both the area of work and a sufficient area around it. Steps to ensure this will include: •Obtaining a temporary pavement or street closure whilst operations are carried out; •Undertaking operations in 'quiet' hours i.e. early morning, at night or weekends; •Incorporating fans, crash decks and "tunnels" as early as possible into a scaffold; •Erecting barriers and signs and diverting the public away from operations; •Storing scaffold clips and other loose materials safely on the scaffold; and •Not raising or lowering materials over members of the public or other site workers. Also consider that disabled persons need proper access along pavements covered by scaffolding.[/p][/quote]Very well done Andysj for surviving for as long as you have given your apparent ignorant attitude , Sir i salute you shame
  • Score: 17

11:42am Sat 21 Jun 14

Dave420 says...

JJ38JJ wrote:
Dave420 wrote:
There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..
My house has never burnt down either. So by your logic I can get rid of my smoke detector.
What has your house got to do with this ya Muppet! The area is blocked off with a lorry. Or maybe if we went with your logic we could close the whole top of the town down while they strike the scaffold. I bet you never leave your house, an airplane might land on you ya fool..
[quote][p][bold]JJ38JJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave420[/bold] wrote: There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..[/p][/quote]My house has never burnt down either. So by your logic I can get rid of my smoke detector.[/p][/quote]What has your house got to do with this ya Muppet! The area is blocked off with a lorry. Or maybe if we went with your logic we could close the whole top of the town down while they strike the scaffold. I bet you never leave your house, an airplane might land on you ya fool.. Dave420
  • Score: -25

9:35am Mon 23 Jun 14

jonone says...

shame wrote:
robertspet8 wrote:
Andysj wrote: Has no one ever seen scaffolders work before! This is how they do it!! People these days just want to find something to moan about!
It is this sort of ignorant attitude which means we need Health & Safety to protect the public from irresponsible companies and workmen. These scaffolders were in breach of several regulations applying to scaffolding. The main ones applying to Protection of the Public are in the following extract: When scaffolding operations are in progress the public must be excluded from both the area of work and a sufficient area around it. Steps to ensure this will include: •Obtaining a temporary pavement or street closure whilst operations are carried out; •Undertaking operations in 'quiet' hours i.e. early morning, at night or weekends; •Incorporating fans, crash decks and "tunnels" as early as possible into a scaffold; •Erecting barriers and signs and diverting the public away from operations; •Storing scaffold clips and other loose materials safely on the scaffold; and •Not raising or lowering materials over members of the public or other site workers. Also consider that disabled persons need proper access along pavements covered by scaffolding.
Very well done Andysj for surviving for as long as you have given your apparent ignorant attitude , Sir i salute you
Well, I have seen scaffolders acting like this many, many more times than following the requirements in robertspet8's post.

I survived by taking the decision myself to give it all a wide berth - something people were capable of doing once upon a time.
[quote][p][bold]shame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]robertspet8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andysj[/bold] wrote: Has no one ever seen scaffolders work before! This is how they do it!! People these days just want to find something to moan about![/p][/quote]It is this sort of ignorant attitude which means we need Health & Safety to protect the public from irresponsible companies and workmen. These scaffolders were in breach of several regulations applying to scaffolding. The main ones applying to Protection of the Public are in the following extract: When scaffolding operations are in progress the public must be excluded from both the area of work and a sufficient area around it. Steps to ensure this will include: •Obtaining a temporary pavement or street closure whilst operations are carried out; •Undertaking operations in 'quiet' hours i.e. early morning, at night or weekends; •Incorporating fans, crash decks and "tunnels" as early as possible into a scaffold; •Erecting barriers and signs and diverting the public away from operations; •Storing scaffold clips and other loose materials safely on the scaffold; and •Not raising or lowering materials over members of the public or other site workers. Also consider that disabled persons need proper access along pavements covered by scaffolding.[/p][/quote]Very well done Andysj for surviving for as long as you have given your apparent ignorant attitude , Sir i salute you[/p][/quote]Well, I have seen scaffolders acting like this many, many more times than following the requirements in robertspet8's post. I survived by taking the decision myself to give it all a wide berth - something people were capable of doing once upon a time. jonone
  • Score: -20

9:35am Mon 23 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

JJ38JJ wrote:
Dave420 wrote:
There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..
My house has never burnt down either. So by your logic I can get rid of my smoke detector.
How in your wierd mind does that work, are you one of these people who need a sign to tell you what to do at every point of your life, whilst the rest of us can see and apply common sense, you may have good grammer (well done you) but you need more than that to get through life.
[quote][p][bold]JJ38JJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave420[/bold] wrote: There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..[/p][/quote]My house has never burnt down either. So by your logic I can get rid of my smoke detector.[/p][/quote]How in your wierd mind does that work, are you one of these people who need a sign to tell you what to do at every point of your life, whilst the rest of us can see and apply common sense, you may have good grammer (well done you) but you need more than that to get through life. Folkestone Saint
  • Score: -18

11:17am Mon 23 Jun 14

4rchibald says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
JJ38JJ wrote:
Dave420 wrote:
There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..
My house has never burnt down either. So by your logic I can get rid of my smoke detector.
How in your wierd mind does that work, are you one of these people who need a sign to tell you what to do at every point of your life, whilst the rest of us can see and apply common sense, you may have good grammer (well done you) but you need more than that to get through life.
Because workers have to follow those "stupid" HSE rules, not the common sense they have been using for many years, fatal accidents have dropped down from 300 (1.2 per worker) in year 1994 to 150 (0.6 per worker) in 2013. That's 150 workers staying alive!

Also, owner of this company is either ignorant or stupid, as if safety might not be a concern to him, a lawsuit and big fat compensation for any damage (including workers on site) will most likely pull the company down.
There was a fatal accident at one of our subcontractors (yes, work looked safe and somebody had followed common sense, not HSE rules) and believe me, investigation will bring everything out and is not nice for company.
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JJ38JJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave420[/bold] wrote: There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..[/p][/quote]My house has never burnt down either. So by your logic I can get rid of my smoke detector.[/p][/quote]How in your wierd mind does that work, are you one of these people who need a sign to tell you what to do at every point of your life, whilst the rest of us can see and apply common sense, you may have good grammer (well done you) but you need more than that to get through life.[/p][/quote]Because workers have to follow those "stupid" HSE rules, not the common sense they have been using for many years, fatal accidents have dropped down from 300 (1.2 per worker) in year 1994 to 150 (0.6 per worker) in 2013. That's 150 workers staying alive! Also, owner of this company is either ignorant or stupid, as if safety might not be a concern to him, a lawsuit and big fat compensation for any damage (including workers on site) will most likely pull the company down. There was a fatal accident at one of our subcontractors (yes, work looked safe and somebody had followed common sense, not HSE rules) and believe me, investigation will bring everything out and is not nice for company. 4rchibald
  • Score: 21

12:05pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

4rchibald wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
JJ38JJ wrote:
Dave420 wrote:
There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..
My house has never burnt down either. So by your logic I can get rid of my smoke detector.
How in your wierd mind does that work, are you one of these people who need a sign to tell you what to do at every point of your life, whilst the rest of us can see and apply common sense, you may have good grammer (well done you) but you need more than that to get through life.
Because workers have to follow those "stupid" HSE rules, not the common sense they have been using for many years, fatal accidents have dropped down from 300 (1.2 per worker) in year 1994 to 150 (0.6 per worker) in 2013. That's 150 workers staying alive!

Also, owner of this company is either ignorant or stupid, as if safety might not be a concern to him, a lawsuit and big fat compensation for any damage (including workers on site) will most likely pull the company down.
There was a fatal accident at one of our subcontractors (yes, work looked safe and somebody had followed common sense, not HSE rules) and believe me, investigation will bring everything out and is not nice for company.
Whilst in Cairo I noticed a rather large hole in the path, there were no barriers around it, no signs and because there is no compensation for stupidity no-one fell into it, Cairo is the most populated city in Africa with often no education, so if they can manage why can't we
[quote][p][bold]4rchibald[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JJ38JJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave420[/bold] wrote: There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..[/p][/quote]My house has never burnt down either. So by your logic I can get rid of my smoke detector.[/p][/quote]How in your wierd mind does that work, are you one of these people who need a sign to tell you what to do at every point of your life, whilst the rest of us can see and apply common sense, you may have good grammer (well done you) but you need more than that to get through life.[/p][/quote]Because workers have to follow those "stupid" HSE rules, not the common sense they have been using for many years, fatal accidents have dropped down from 300 (1.2 per worker) in year 1994 to 150 (0.6 per worker) in 2013. That's 150 workers staying alive! Also, owner of this company is either ignorant or stupid, as if safety might not be a concern to him, a lawsuit and big fat compensation for any damage (including workers on site) will most likely pull the company down. There was a fatal accident at one of our subcontractors (yes, work looked safe and somebody had followed common sense, not HSE rules) and believe me, investigation will bring everything out and is not nice for company.[/p][/quote]Whilst in Cairo I noticed a rather large hole in the path, there were no barriers around it, no signs and because there is no compensation for stupidity no-one fell into it, Cairo is the most populated city in Africa with often no education, so if they can manage why can't we Folkestone Saint
  • Score: -17

1:16pm Mon 23 Jun 14

robertspet8 says...

'Folkestone Saint says... Whilst in Cairo I noticed a rather large hole in the path, there were no barriers around it, no signs and because there is no compensation for stupidity no-one fell into it, Cairo is the most populated city in Africa with often no education, so if they can manage why can't we'
I really do not know where to begin, but let's start with your assertion that nobody fell down the hole. All you can say is that nobody fell down the hole while you could see it. How many people fell down it before or after you saw it is anybody's guess.
Then your assertion that there would be no compensation for stupidly falling down this hole. Wrong! Eygptian companies are as liable to be sued in court as any EU company when somebody falls down an unguarded hole they left in the pavement. People avoid falling down holes because it could hurt not because they wont get any compensation. They fall down an unguarded hole because they are distracted, cannot see it, are children without a fully developed sense of danger, are physically or mentally incapacitated or many other number of reasons.
Cairo was a bad example because Eygpt's record on Health and Safety is appalling, especially in the construction industry. The USA has one of the worst records in the western world and, in a 2012 report on accidents in the construction industry, they stated that at least their record was better than Eygpt's.
Finally, the construction industries' own figures show that preventing accidents is cheaper than taking safety short cuts - cheaper in loss of man hours and compensation.
'Folkestone Saint says... Whilst in Cairo I noticed a rather large hole in the path, there were no barriers around it, no signs and because there is no compensation for stupidity no-one fell into it, Cairo is the most populated city in Africa with often no education, so if they can manage why can't we' I really do not know where to begin, but let's start with your assertion that nobody fell down the hole. All you can say is that nobody fell down the hole while you could see it. How many people fell down it before or after you saw it is anybody's guess. Then your assertion that there would be no compensation for stupidly falling down this hole. Wrong! Eygptian companies are as liable to be sued in court as any EU company when somebody falls down an unguarded hole they left in the pavement. People avoid falling down holes because it could hurt not because they wont get any compensation. They fall down an unguarded hole because they are distracted, cannot see it, are children without a fully developed sense of danger, are physically or mentally incapacitated or many other number of reasons. Cairo was a bad example because Eygpt's record on Health and Safety is appalling, especially in the construction industry. The USA has one of the worst records in the western world and, in a 2012 report on accidents in the construction industry, they stated that at least their record was better than Eygpt's. Finally, the construction industries' own figures show that preventing accidents is cheaper than taking safety short cuts - cheaper in loss of man hours and compensation. robertspet8
  • Score: 19

1:22pm Mon 23 Jun 14

robertspet8 says...

radders19 wrote:
Having watched the video, can someone point out to me to the time the poles were launched to the man in the back of the truck. I just can't see it.
Also, the man sat on the bench in the high viz top. Is he there to keep people from walking through that area?
Where does it say the video shows the poles being launched? You cannot see it because it does not show it!
I don't know if the man in the high vis top is there to keep people from walking through, but, if he is, where is his mate to stop people coming from the other direction?
[quote][p][bold]radders19[/bold] wrote: Having watched the video, can someone point out to me to the time the poles were launched to the man in the back of the truck. I just can't see it. Also, the man sat on the bench in the high viz top. Is he there to keep people from walking through that area?[/p][/quote]Where does it say the video shows the poles being launched? You cannot see it because it does not show it! I don't know if the man in the high vis top is there to keep people from walking through, but, if he is, where is his mate to stop people coming from the other direction? robertspet8
  • Score: 17

3:00pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Sam_Walker123456 says...

radders19 asks... Also, the man sat on the bench in the high viz top. Is he there to keep people from walking through that area?
Do you mean the alert man lounging on the bench and looking as though his life depended on making sure nobody got too close?
radders19 asks... Also, the man sat on the bench in the high viz top. Is he there to keep people from walking through that area? Do you mean the alert man lounging on the bench and looking as though his life depended on making sure nobody got too close? Sam_Walker123456
  • Score: 19

5:03pm Mon 23 Jun 14

jonone says...

If the votes are any indication, making any suggestions about using common sense and looking after yourself are not popular views in this town!!
If the votes are any indication, making any suggestions about using common sense and looking after yourself are not popular views in this town!! jonone
  • Score: -18

6:10pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

jonone wrote:
If the votes are any indication, making any suggestions about using common sense and looking after yourself are not popular views in this town!!
Its not all about common sense, one contributer marks "me" down, not what I say, they also have more than one log-on, still, I stand by what I say whilst others like to argue or put you down for having an opinion or sense of humour, they are most likely to be the ones who drove into the flood under the bridge because no-one told them not to
[quote][p][bold]jonone[/bold] wrote: If the votes are any indication, making any suggestions about using common sense and looking after yourself are not popular views in this town!![/p][/quote]Its not all about common sense, one contributer marks "me" down, not what I say, they also have more than one log-on, still, I stand by what I say whilst others like to argue or put you down for having an opinion or sense of humour, they are most likely to be the ones who drove into the flood under the bridge because no-one told them not to Folkestone Saint
  • Score: -13

7:29pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

robertspet8 wrote:
'Folkestone Saint says... Whilst in Cairo I noticed a rather large hole in the path, there were no barriers around it, no signs and because there is no compensation for stupidity no-one fell into it, Cairo is the most populated city in Africa with often no education, so if they can manage why can't we'
I really do not know where to begin, but let's start with your assertion that nobody fell down the hole. All you can say is that nobody fell down the hole while you could see it. How many people fell down it before or after you saw it is anybody's guess.
Then your assertion that there would be no compensation for stupidly falling down this hole. Wrong! Eygptian companies are as liable to be sued in court as any EU company when somebody falls down an unguarded hole they left in the pavement. People avoid falling down holes because it could hurt not because they wont get any compensation. They fall down an unguarded hole because they are distracted, cannot see it, are children without a fully developed sense of danger, are physically or mentally incapacitated or many other number of reasons.
Cairo was a bad example because Eygpt's record on Health and Safety is appalling, especially in the construction industry. The USA has one of the worst records in the western world and, in a 2012 report on accidents in the construction industry, they stated that at least their record was better than Eygpt's.
Finally, the construction industries' own figures show that preventing accidents is cheaper than taking safety short cuts - cheaper in loss of man hours and compensation.
Whilst you were doing all of that research I was down the beach Mackrelling, it's a beutiful day outside, open the blinds and have a look or better still go outside and enjoy it.
p.s. your comment was far to long for me to bother reading it, so I didn't.
[quote][p][bold]robertspet8[/bold] wrote: 'Folkestone Saint says... Whilst in Cairo I noticed a rather large hole in the path, there were no barriers around it, no signs and because there is no compensation for stupidity no-one fell into it, Cairo is the most populated city in Africa with often no education, so if they can manage why can't we' I really do not know where to begin, but let's start with your assertion that nobody fell down the hole. All you can say is that nobody fell down the hole while you could see it. How many people fell down it before or after you saw it is anybody's guess. Then your assertion that there would be no compensation for stupidly falling down this hole. Wrong! Eygptian companies are as liable to be sued in court as any EU company when somebody falls down an unguarded hole they left in the pavement. People avoid falling down holes because it could hurt not because they wont get any compensation. They fall down an unguarded hole because they are distracted, cannot see it, are children without a fully developed sense of danger, are physically or mentally incapacitated or many other number of reasons. Cairo was a bad example because Eygpt's record on Health and Safety is appalling, especially in the construction industry. The USA has one of the worst records in the western world and, in a 2012 report on accidents in the construction industry, they stated that at least their record was better than Eygpt's. Finally, the construction industries' own figures show that preventing accidents is cheaper than taking safety short cuts - cheaper in loss of man hours and compensation.[/p][/quote]Whilst you were doing all of that research I was down the beach Mackrelling, it's a beutiful day outside, open the blinds and have a look or better still go outside and enjoy it. p.s. your comment was far to long for me to bother reading it, so I didn't. Folkestone Saint
  • Score: -14

9:04am Tue 24 Jun 14

jonone says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
jonone wrote: If the votes are any indication, making any suggestions about using common sense and looking after yourself are not popular views in this town!!
Its not all about common sense, one contributer marks "me" down, not what I say, they also have more than one log-on, still, I stand by what I say whilst others like to argue or put you down for having an opinion or sense of humour, they are most likely to be the ones who drove into the flood under the bridge because no-one told them not to
Absolutely!
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jonone[/bold] wrote: If the votes are any indication, making any suggestions about using common sense and looking after yourself are not popular views in this town!![/p][/quote]Its not all about common sense, one contributer marks "me" down, not what I say, they also have more than one log-on, still, I stand by what I say whilst others like to argue or put you down for having an opinion or sense of humour, they are most likely to be the ones who drove into the flood under the bridge because no-one told them not to[/p][/quote]Absolutely! jonone
  • Score: -17

11:31am Tue 24 Jun 14

Honeybee123 says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
JJ38JJ wrote:
Dave420 wrote:
There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..
My house has never burnt down either. So by your logic I can get rid of my smoke detector.
How in your wierd mind does that work, are you one of these people who need a sign to tell you what to do at every point of your life, whilst the rest of us can see and apply common sense, you may have good grammer (well done you) but you need more than that to get through life.
And what about someone who is blind, how do they cope with this situation? Or children who may run away from their parents but are able to get through and under this rubble being thrown? It was irresponsible and dangerous and should have been fenced off. Simple.
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JJ38JJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave420[/bold] wrote: There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..[/p][/quote]My house has never burnt down either. So by your logic I can get rid of my smoke detector.[/p][/quote]How in your wierd mind does that work, are you one of these people who need a sign to tell you what to do at every point of your life, whilst the rest of us can see and apply common sense, you may have good grammer (well done you) but you need more than that to get through life.[/p][/quote]And what about someone who is blind, how do they cope with this situation? Or children who may run away from their parents but are able to get through and under this rubble being thrown? It was irresponsible and dangerous and should have been fenced off. Simple. Honeybee123
  • Score: 22

2:43pm Tue 24 Jun 14

4rchibald says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
4rchibald wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
JJ38JJ wrote:
Dave420 wrote:
There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..
My house has never burnt down either. So by your logic I can get rid of my smoke detector.
How in your wierd mind does that work, are you one of these people who need a sign to tell you what to do at every point of your life, whilst the rest of us can see and apply common sense, you may have good grammer (well done you) but you need more than that to get through life.
Because workers have to follow those "stupid" HSE rules, not the common sense they have been using for many years, fatal accidents have dropped down from 300 (1.2 per worker) in year 1994 to 150 (0.6 per worker) in 2013. That's 150 workers staying alive!

Also, owner of this company is either ignorant or stupid, as if safety might not be a concern to him, a lawsuit and big fat compensation for any damage (including workers on site) will most likely pull the company down.
There was a fatal accident at one of our subcontractors (yes, work looked safe and somebody had followed common sense, not HSE rules) and believe me, investigation will bring everything out and is not nice for company.
Whilst in Cairo I noticed a rather large hole in the path, there were no barriers around it, no signs and because there is no compensation for stupidity no-one fell into it, Cairo is the most populated city in Africa with often no education, so if they can manage why can't we
So are you claiming that 3rd world countries have less accidents and it's only clumsiness and lack of common sense that cause these 300 fatalities in the UK in 1994?
So what about 900 fatal accidents in Qatar when building World Cup Infrastructure and 4000 expected to die before completion in 2022?
I would say that in these places life is cheaper than HSE so it's easier to replace people than to put barriers and safety measures.

I definitely feel safer here than in any place where only a "common sense" of other people is protecting me and my family.
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]4rchibald[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JJ38JJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave420[/bold] wrote: There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..[/p][/quote]My house has never burnt down either. So by your logic I can get rid of my smoke detector.[/p][/quote]How in your wierd mind does that work, are you one of these people who need a sign to tell you what to do at every point of your life, whilst the rest of us can see and apply common sense, you may have good grammer (well done you) but you need more than that to get through life.[/p][/quote]Because workers have to follow those "stupid" HSE rules, not the common sense they have been using for many years, fatal accidents have dropped down from 300 (1.2 per worker) in year 1994 to 150 (0.6 per worker) in 2013. That's 150 workers staying alive! Also, owner of this company is either ignorant or stupid, as if safety might not be a concern to him, a lawsuit and big fat compensation for any damage (including workers on site) will most likely pull the company down. There was a fatal accident at one of our subcontractors (yes, work looked safe and somebody had followed common sense, not HSE rules) and believe me, investigation will bring everything out and is not nice for company.[/p][/quote]Whilst in Cairo I noticed a rather large hole in the path, there were no barriers around it, no signs and because there is no compensation for stupidity no-one fell into it, Cairo is the most populated city in Africa with often no education, so if they can manage why can't we[/p][/quote]So are you claiming that 3rd world countries have less accidents and it's only clumsiness and lack of common sense that cause these 300 fatalities in the UK in 1994? So what about 900 fatal accidents in Qatar when building World Cup Infrastructure and 4000 expected to die before completion in 2022? I would say that in these places life is cheaper than HSE so it's easier to replace people than to put barriers and safety measures. I definitely feel safer here than in any place where only a "common sense" of other people is protecting me and my family. 4rchibald
  • Score: 15

3:01pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

Honeybee123 wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
JJ38JJ wrote:
Dave420 wrote:
There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..
My house has never burnt down either. So by your logic I can get rid of my smoke detector.
How in your wierd mind does that work, are you one of these people who need a sign to tell you what to do at every point of your life, whilst the rest of us can see and apply common sense, you may have good grammer (well done you) but you need more than that to get through life.
And what about someone who is blind, how do they cope with this situation? Or children who may run away from their parents but are able to get through and under this rubble being thrown? It was irresponsible and dangerous and should have been fenced off. Simple.
I have only just watched the video and have to say that it was a lot safer than I relised, the "rubble" as some claim is the clamps that hold the tower together and were thrown onto the same spot ALL of the time and in a safe manner, the guy in the hi_vis was there to stop anyone including the blind trying to squeeze past, also there were men at the other end working too who I'm sure would not have allowed a blind person or anyone else past, as for the child senario, the same as if it were near a road, you take extra care. Simple
[quote][p][bold]Honeybee123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JJ38JJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave420[/bold] wrote: There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..[/p][/quote]My house has never burnt down either. So by your logic I can get rid of my smoke detector.[/p][/quote]How in your wierd mind does that work, are you one of these people who need a sign to tell you what to do at every point of your life, whilst the rest of us can see and apply common sense, you may have good grammer (well done you) but you need more than that to get through life.[/p][/quote]And what about someone who is blind, how do they cope with this situation? Or children who may run away from their parents but are able to get through and under this rubble being thrown? It was irresponsible and dangerous and should have been fenced off. Simple.[/p][/quote]I have only just watched the video and have to say that it was a lot safer than I relised, the "rubble" as some claim is the clamps that hold the tower together and were thrown onto the same spot ALL of the time and in a safe manner, the guy in the hi_vis was there to stop anyone including the blind trying to squeeze past, also there were men at the other end working too who I'm sure would not have allowed a blind person or anyone else past, as for the child senario, the same as if it were near a road, you take extra care. Simple Folkestone Saint
  • Score: -17

3:10pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

4rchibald wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
4rchibald wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
JJ38JJ wrote:
Dave420 wrote:
There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..
My house has never burnt down either. So by your logic I can get rid of my smoke detector.
How in your wierd mind does that work, are you one of these people who need a sign to tell you what to do at every point of your life, whilst the rest of us can see and apply common sense, you may have good grammer (well done you) but you need more than that to get through life.
Because workers have to follow those "stupid" HSE rules, not the common sense they have been using for many years, fatal accidents have dropped down from 300 (1.2 per worker) in year 1994 to 150 (0.6 per worker) in 2013. That's 150 workers staying alive!

Also, owner of this company is either ignorant or stupid, as if safety might not be a concern to him, a lawsuit and big fat compensation for any damage (including workers on site) will most likely pull the company down.
There was a fatal accident at one of our subcontractors (yes, work looked safe and somebody had followed common sense, not HSE rules) and believe me, investigation will bring everything out and is not nice for company.
Whilst in Cairo I noticed a rather large hole in the path, there were no barriers around it, no signs and because there is no compensation for stupidity no-one fell into it, Cairo is the most populated city in Africa with often no education, so if they can manage why can't we
So are you claiming that 3rd world countries have less accidents and it's only clumsiness and lack of common sense that cause these 300 fatalities in the UK in 1994?
So what about 900 fatal accidents in Qatar when building World Cup Infrastructure and 4000 expected to die before completion in 2022?
I would say that in these places life is cheaper than HSE so it's easier to replace people than to put barriers and safety measures.

I definitely feel safer here than in any place where only a "common sense" of other people is protecting me and my family.
I am not saying that at all, and I'm not saying accidents don't happen, what I am actually saying is "we have to be more responsible for our own actions and not expect some one else to look after us all the time, and in this case there was some one there in the hi-vis to make sure no one tried to walk past some men working, why have you all dismissed him, is it so you can have a moan.
[quote][p][bold]4rchibald[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]4rchibald[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JJ38JJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave420[/bold] wrote: There's massive lorry keeping the public out!!! Health and safety has gone MAD! Was anybody hurt?????? Hold on, NO..[/p][/quote]My house has never burnt down either. So by your logic I can get rid of my smoke detector.[/p][/quote]How in your wierd mind does that work, are you one of these people who need a sign to tell you what to do at every point of your life, whilst the rest of us can see and apply common sense, you may have good grammer (well done you) but you need more than that to get through life.[/p][/quote]Because workers have to follow those "stupid" HSE rules, not the common sense they have been using for many years, fatal accidents have dropped down from 300 (1.2 per worker) in year 1994 to 150 (0.6 per worker) in 2013. That's 150 workers staying alive! Also, owner of this company is either ignorant or stupid, as if safety might not be a concern to him, a lawsuit and big fat compensation for any damage (including workers on site) will most likely pull the company down. There was a fatal accident at one of our subcontractors (yes, work looked safe and somebody had followed common sense, not HSE rules) and believe me, investigation will bring everything out and is not nice for company.[/p][/quote]Whilst in Cairo I noticed a rather large hole in the path, there were no barriers around it, no signs and because there is no compensation for stupidity no-one fell into it, Cairo is the most populated city in Africa with often no education, so if they can manage why can't we[/p][/quote]So are you claiming that 3rd world countries have less accidents and it's only clumsiness and lack of common sense that cause these 300 fatalities in the UK in 1994? So what about 900 fatal accidents in Qatar when building World Cup Infrastructure and 4000 expected to die before completion in 2022? I would say that in these places life is cheaper than HSE so it's easier to replace people than to put barriers and safety measures. I definitely feel safer here than in any place where only a "common sense" of other people is protecting me and my family.[/p][/quote]I am not saying that at all, and I'm not saying accidents don't happen, what I am actually saying is "we have to be more responsible for our own actions and not expect some one else to look after us all the time, and in this case there was some one there in the hi-vis to make sure no one tried to walk past some men working, why have you all dismissed him, is it so you can have a moan. Folkestone Saint
  • Score: -13

4:22pm Tue 24 Jun 14

iamapayne says...

Folkstone says I have only just watched the video and have to say that it was a lot safer than I relised, the "rubble" as some claim is the clamps that hold the tower together and were thrown onto the same spot ALL of the time and in a safe manner, the guy in the hi_vis was there to stop anyone including the blind trying to squeeze past, also there were men at the other end working too who I'm sure would not have allowed a blind person or anyone else past, as for the child senario, the same as if it were near a road, you take extra care. Simple
You are full of common sense mate not looked at the video and made up your mind the rights and wrongs . Try reading the words. Why are you sure the men were to stop anyone squeezeing past. if there was a fence i would be sure too. only honeybee said rubble not some people. Does a scaffold pole make a smaller dent in your nut than rubble.
Folkstone says I have only just watched the video and have to say that it was a lot safer than I relised, the "rubble" as some claim is the clamps that hold the tower together and were thrown onto the same spot ALL of the time and in a safe manner, the guy in the hi_vis was there to stop anyone including the blind trying to squeeze past, also there were men at the other end working too who I'm sure would not have allowed a blind person or anyone else past, as for the child senario, the same as if it were near a road, you take extra care. Simple You are full of common sense mate not looked at the video and made up your mind the rights and wrongs . Try reading the words. Why are you sure the men were to stop anyone squeezeing past. if there was a fence i would be sure too. only honeybee said rubble not some people. Does a scaffold pole make a smaller dent in your nut than rubble. iamapayne
  • Score: 12

4:31pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Opinions_opinions says...

Wow - this is getting a bit silly isn't it.

I personally can see nothing wrong in the video. The shackles or whatever they are called are being dropped onto a soft matting. The scaffolders have taken the necessary precaution of putting their lorry in the walkway to stop anyone getting near the falling parts. It is clearly evident there is no real news in Basingstoke - which is a good thing- so the Gazette has decided to fill its pages with a non-story and you have all taken the bait. I would put money that all scaffolders dismantle their towers like this and no one bats an eyelid. One person reports it to the Gazette and then all hell breaks loose as we have all become the Health and Safety Police.

Let the workers get on with it and they can then clear the obstruction quicker and easier than having to apply time wasting EU imposed Health and Safety rules to protect stupid incompetent people from walking into a clearly sealed off workman site.

Give me strength !
Wow - this is getting a bit silly isn't it. I personally can see nothing wrong in the video. The shackles or whatever they are called are being dropped onto a soft matting. The scaffolders have taken the necessary precaution of putting their lorry in the walkway to stop anyone getting near the falling parts. It is clearly evident there is no real news in Basingstoke - which is a good thing- so the Gazette has decided to fill its pages with a non-story and you have all taken the bait. I would put money that all scaffolders dismantle their towers like this and no one bats an eyelid. One person reports it to the Gazette and then all hell breaks loose as we have all become the Health and Safety Police. Let the workers get on with it and they can then clear the obstruction quicker and easier than having to apply time wasting EU imposed Health and Safety rules to protect stupid incompetent people from walking into a clearly sealed off workman site. Give me strength ! Opinions_opinions
  • Score: -10

5:12pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Sam_Walker123456 says...

Opinions_opinions wrote:
Wow - this is getting a bit silly isn't it.

I personally can see nothing wrong in the video. The shackles or whatever they are called are being dropped onto a soft matting. The scaffolders have taken the necessary precaution of putting their lorry in the walkway to stop anyone getting near the falling parts. It is clearly evident there is no real news in Basingstoke - which is a good thing- so the Gazette has decided to fill its pages with a non-story and you have all taken the bait. I would put money that all scaffolders dismantle their towers like this and no one bats an eyelid. One person reports it to the Gazette and then all hell breaks loose as we have all become the Health and Safety Police.

Let the workers get on with it and they can then clear the obstruction quicker and easier than having to apply time wasting EU imposed Health and Safety rules to protect stupid incompetent people from walking into a clearly sealed off workman site.

Give me strength !
It is getting a bit silly.
Have you not grasped that the video does not show the worst of the incident when scaffold poles were thrown down.
Leaving the lorry in the walkway is not sufficient precaution by any interpretation of the regulations.
I am interested to learn which of our Health and Safety rules you think have been imposed by the EU and which are time wasting.
The terms, stupid incompetent people could apply to these workmen, but cannot be applied to any child, visually impaired person or mentally disabled person who walks into a what is not a clearly sealed or designated site. This 'site' has been created in an ad hoc manner with very little, if any, regard for the safety of the public.
When are people like you going to realise that adhering to Health and Safety regulations saves lives, reduces the number of injuries and saves money.
Yes we have a responsibility to look out for ourselves but companies carrying out work have a duty to to protect those who cannot protect themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Opinions_opinions[/bold] wrote: Wow - this is getting a bit silly isn't it. I personally can see nothing wrong in the video. The shackles or whatever they are called are being dropped onto a soft matting. The scaffolders have taken the necessary precaution of putting their lorry in the walkway to stop anyone getting near the falling parts. It is clearly evident there is no real news in Basingstoke - which is a good thing- so the Gazette has decided to fill its pages with a non-story and you have all taken the bait. I would put money that all scaffolders dismantle their towers like this and no one bats an eyelid. One person reports it to the Gazette and then all hell breaks loose as we have all become the Health and Safety Police. Let the workers get on with it and they can then clear the obstruction quicker and easier than having to apply time wasting EU imposed Health and Safety rules to protect stupid incompetent people from walking into a clearly sealed off workman site. Give me strength ![/p][/quote]It is getting a bit silly. Have you not grasped that the video does not show the worst of the incident when scaffold poles were thrown down. Leaving the lorry in the walkway is not sufficient precaution by any interpretation of the regulations. I am interested to learn which of our Health and Safety rules you think have been imposed by the EU and which are time wasting. The terms, stupid incompetent people could apply to these workmen, but cannot be applied to any child, visually impaired person or mentally disabled person who walks into a what is not a clearly sealed or designated site. This 'site' has been created in an ad hoc manner with very little, if any, regard for the safety of the public. When are people like you going to realise that adhering to Health and Safety regulations saves lives, reduces the number of injuries and saves money. Yes we have a responsibility to look out for ourselves but companies carrying out work have a duty to to protect those who cannot protect themselves. Sam_Walker123456
  • Score: 7

5:34pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

iamapayne wrote:
Folkstone says I have only just watched the video and have to say that it was a lot safer than I relised, the "rubble" as some claim is the clamps that hold the tower together and were thrown onto the same spot ALL of the time and in a safe manner, the guy in the hi_vis was there to stop anyone including the blind trying to squeeze past, also there were men at the other end working too who I'm sure would not have allowed a blind person or anyone else past, as for the child senario, the same as if it were near a road, you take extra care. Simple
You are full of common sense mate not looked at the video and made up your mind the rights and wrongs . Try reading the words. Why are you sure the men were to stop anyone squeezeing past. if there was a fence i would be sure too. only honeybee said rubble not some people. Does a scaffold pole make a smaller dent in your nut than rubble.
Just shows how stupid you are then that you need a fence to tell you not to walk infront of people taking down scaffolding, whilst also choosing to ignore the fact that there was someone in place for people like you, a blind person would hear it, a deaf person would see, only an idiot or a very selfish person would choose to ignore what was going on.
Does a scaffold pole make a smaller dent in your nut than rubble, how big is the piece of rubble and is it a full length pole or a cross member?
[quote][p][bold]iamapayne[/bold] wrote: Folkstone says I have only just watched the video and have to say that it was a lot safer than I relised, the "rubble" as some claim is the clamps that hold the tower together and were thrown onto the same spot ALL of the time and in a safe manner, the guy in the hi_vis was there to stop anyone including the blind trying to squeeze past, also there were men at the other end working too who I'm sure would not have allowed a blind person or anyone else past, as for the child senario, the same as if it were near a road, you take extra care. Simple You are full of common sense mate not looked at the video and made up your mind the rights and wrongs . Try reading the words. Why are you sure the men were to stop anyone squeezeing past. if there was a fence i would be sure too. only honeybee said rubble not some people. Does a scaffold pole make a smaller dent in your nut than rubble.[/p][/quote]Just shows how stupid you are then that you need a fence to tell you not to walk infront of people taking down scaffolding, whilst also choosing to ignore the fact that there was someone in place for people like you, a blind person would hear it, a deaf person would see, only an idiot or a very selfish person would choose to ignore what was going on. Does a scaffold pole make a smaller dent in your nut than rubble, how big is the piece of rubble and is it a full length pole or a cross member? Folkestone Saint
  • Score: -7

3:54pm Fri 27 Jun 14

iamapayne says...

Folkstone say Just shows how stupid you are then that you need a fence to tell you not to walk infront of people taking down scaffolding, whilst also choosing to ignore the fact that there was someone in place for people like you, a blind person would hear it, a deaf person would see, only an idiot or a very selfish person would choose to ignore what was going on.
Does a scaffold pole make a smaller dent in your nut than rubble, how big is the piece of rubble and is it a full length pole or a cross member?
You dont know how accidents happen. i dont need to be stupid and selfish. i need to go to bank and see this lorry in front i wait for men to stop throwing and then go in i do the biz and come out. a builder misses his throw and pole hits me on the head. i take builder to court. who wins.
Folkstone say Just shows how stupid you are then that you need a fence to tell you not to walk infront of people taking down scaffolding, whilst also choosing to ignore the fact that there was someone in place for people like you, a blind person would hear it, a deaf person would see, only an idiot or a very selfish person would choose to ignore what was going on. Does a scaffold pole make a smaller dent in your nut than rubble, how big is the piece of rubble and is it a full length pole or a cross member? You dont know how accidents happen. i dont need to be stupid and selfish. i need to go to bank and see this lorry in front i wait for men to stop throwing and then go in i do the biz and come out. a builder misses his throw and pole hits me on the head. i take builder to court. who wins. iamapayne
  • Score: 4

4:44pm Fri 27 Jun 14

robertspet8 says...

Andysj wrote:
Has no one ever seen scaffolders work before! This is how they do it!! People these days just want to find something to moan about!
Yes I have seen scaffolders working before. I also know the statistics for deaths and injuries to scaffolders - it is one of the most dangerous occupations there is. If they cannot prevent themselves being hurt why should I trust them to stop members of the public being hurt? Proper barriers are required by law when scaffolding is being erected or dismantled in a public space. This is not a waste of time and money it is a common sense precaution to help prevent unnecessary injury.
[quote][p][bold]Andysj[/bold] wrote: Has no one ever seen scaffolders work before! This is how they do it!! People these days just want to find something to moan about![/p][/quote]Yes I have seen scaffolders working before. I also know the statistics for deaths and injuries to scaffolders - it is one of the most dangerous occupations there is. If they cannot prevent themselves being hurt why should I trust them to stop members of the public being hurt? Proper barriers are required by law when scaffolding is being erected or dismantled in a public space. This is not a waste of time and money it is a common sense precaution to help prevent unnecessary injury. robertspet8
  • Score: 2

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