Warren Butler received suspended sentence at Basingstoke Magistrates' Court

Basingstoke Gazette: Soldier sentenced for racist comment on Facebook Soldier sentenced for racist comment on Facebook

A HAMPSHIRE soldier has been sentenced in Basingstoke today for making a racist comment on Facebook.

Warren Butler, 19, made the racist comment about Mikaeel Kumar, a three-year-old boy whose body was found in woodland in Scotland in January this year.

Butler, a Grenadier Guardsman based in Aldershot, added: “One down many more to go.”

He received 16 weeks’ imprisonment, suspended for 18 months, with 250 hours unpaid work, at the hearing at Basingstoke Magistrates’ Court today.

He was also ordered to pay £85 costs and an £80 victim surcharge.

After the hearing, Kate Brown, chief crown prosecutor for Crown Prosecution Service Wessex, said Butler told officers he shared extreme right-wing ideology and that he did not think his comments were bad.

She added: “On January 18, he posted on his Facebook account a racist comment, which callously referred to three-year-old Mikaeel Kular, who was found dead in Scotland the day before.

“The disappearance and the tragic discovery of the body of the little boy shocked many of us and it is therefore very difficult to understand how a 19-year-old is capable of making such cruel and disrespectful comments.”

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10:15pm Tue 11 Mar 14

gazettey says...

Anyone who has extreme views, should not be supported by serving or ex forces personnel. I come from a long line of soldiers, sailors and airmen, who have served in every conflict from the mid 19th Century to the present day (22 years myself).

This person (I wont use the word man, in this case), has brought shame on the wider forces family, and his conduct has only served to encourage disaffected and ill informed minorities (like his far right wing friends), to attack UK interests in the future. IDIOT
Anyone who has extreme views, should not be supported by serving or ex forces personnel. I come from a long line of soldiers, sailors and airmen, who have served in every conflict from the mid 19th Century to the present day (22 years myself). This person (I wont use the word man, in this case), has brought shame on the wider forces family, and his conduct has only served to encourage disaffected and ill informed minorities (like his far right wing friends), to attack UK interests in the future. IDIOT gazettey
  • Score: 9

1:13pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Sam_Walker123456 says...

Some of the national media reported that Warren Butler claimed he only meant for his comment to be seen by his friends. This is even more worrying! He obviously thinks that many of his friends share his views and would enjoy the 'joke'. How many of these friends are in the Army? Service men and women are expected to serve in all sorts of places around the world and in many of these they will be expected to interact with people of different ethnic, religious and cultural backgrounds. How can we trust people with views such as held by this man to carry out their duties in an even handed manner?
Some of the national media reported that Warren Butler claimed he only meant for his comment to be seen by his friends. This is even more worrying! He obviously thinks that many of his friends share his views and would enjoy the 'joke'. How many of these friends are in the Army? Service men and women are expected to serve in all sorts of places around the world and in many of these they will be expected to interact with people of different ethnic, religious and cultural backgrounds. How can we trust people with views such as held by this man to carry out their duties in an even handed manner? Sam_Walker123456
  • Score: 4

6:09pm Wed 12 Mar 14

jonone says...

Has he or is he being dishonorably discharged from the Army? He ought to be, with no pension and no rights to benefits. Scum.
Has he or is he being dishonorably discharged from the Army? He ought to be, with no pension and no rights to benefits. Scum. jonone
  • Score: -10

10:09pm Wed 12 Mar 14

gazettey says...

Sam_Walker123456 wrote:
Some of the national media reported that Warren Butler claimed he only meant for his comment to be seen by his friends. This is even more worrying! He obviously thinks that many of his friends share his views and would enjoy the 'joke'. How many of these friends are in the Army? Service men and women are expected to serve in all sorts of places around the world and in many of these they will be expected to interact with people of different ethnic, religious and cultural backgrounds. How can we trust people with views such as held by this man to carry out their duties in an even handed manner?
I agree with your thoughts and concerns Sam. Unfortunately, its not being in the military that makes people think that way. its the way these people were brought up, and they think its ok as a result...
[quote][p][bold]Sam_Walker123456[/bold] wrote: Some of the national media reported that Warren Butler claimed he only meant for his comment to be seen by his friends. This is even more worrying! He obviously thinks that many of his friends share his views and would enjoy the 'joke'. How many of these friends are in the Army? Service men and women are expected to serve in all sorts of places around the world and in many of these they will be expected to interact with people of different ethnic, religious and cultural backgrounds. How can we trust people with views such as held by this man to carry out their duties in an even handed manner?[/p][/quote]I agree with your thoughts and concerns Sam. Unfortunately, its not being in the military that makes people think that way. its the way these people were brought up, and they think its ok as a result... gazettey
  • Score: 5

8:38am Thu 13 Mar 14

JJ38JJ says...

I agree with all the comments above and this idiot should be punished but is imprisonment a suitable sentence? Firstly the media coverage of his story and (presumably) the loss of his job is significant and he's going to find getting a new job pretty difficult. The use of prison, at our expense, should be limited to those that are a danger to others or those that cannot pay a fine. Lastly, how many stories have there been on this site of drug dealers who have avoided prison or even a fine? And they usually don't have a job to lose in the first place. Put that in to context.
I agree with all the comments above and this idiot should be punished but is imprisonment a suitable sentence? Firstly the media coverage of his story and (presumably) the loss of his job is significant and he's going to find getting a new job pretty difficult. The use of prison, at our expense, should be limited to those that are a danger to others or those that cannot pay a fine. Lastly, how many stories have there been on this site of drug dealers who have avoided prison or even a fine? And they usually don't have a job to lose in the first place. Put that in to context. JJ38JJ
  • Score: 1

8:53am Thu 13 Mar 14

Buster Preciation says...

JJ38JJ wrote:
I agree with all the comments above and this idiot should be punished but is imprisonment a suitable sentence? Firstly the media coverage of his story and (presumably) the loss of his job is significant and he's going to find getting a new job pretty difficult. The use of prison, at our expense, should be limited to those that are a danger to others or those that cannot pay a fine. Lastly, how many stories have there been on this site of drug dealers who have avoided prison or even a fine? And they usually don't have a job to lose in the first place. Put that in to context.
The inconsistency in sentencing struck me as ridiculous too. On another current story drivers and passengers are being fined £100 for not wearing seatbelts. And yet a couple of weeks ago a drug user and dealer had an accident got "a second chance" off the magistrate. Is it me?
[quote][p][bold]JJ38JJ[/bold] wrote: I agree with all the comments above and this idiot should be punished but is imprisonment a suitable sentence? Firstly the media coverage of his story and (presumably) the loss of his job is significant and he's going to find getting a new job pretty difficult. The use of prison, at our expense, should be limited to those that are a danger to others or those that cannot pay a fine. Lastly, how many stories have there been on this site of drug dealers who have avoided prison or even a fine? And they usually don't have a job to lose in the first place. Put that in to context.[/p][/quote]The inconsistency in sentencing struck me as ridiculous too. On another current story drivers and passengers are being fined £100 for not wearing seatbelts. And yet a couple of weeks ago a drug user and dealer had an accident got "a second chance" off the magistrate. Is it me? Buster Preciation
  • Score: 5

2:03pm Thu 13 Mar 14

laurence86 says...

Vocalising an opinion however stupid should not carry the same weight as an action. People can say the wrong things and act in an according manner, just as a murder could say all the correct things and still kill people. It is a worrying turn of events when a stupid comment can have you wind up in front of a judge. There are buttons on Facebook to report a comment as inappropriate, or people should tell him “that is not an acceptable comment”, I do not believe that the state should be involved. I don’t think that society should be micro managed; we should all work together to ensure we have a positive society dedicated to including and supporting people from all walks of life.

People seriously need to think about things they put on any social media site, Facebook even records the things that you type, then decide not to post and delete.
Vocalising an opinion however stupid should not carry the same weight as an action. People can say the wrong things and act in an according manner, just as a murder could say all the correct things and still kill people. It is a worrying turn of events when a stupid comment can have you wind up in front of a judge. There are buttons on Facebook to report a comment as inappropriate, or people should tell him “that is not an acceptable comment”, I do not believe that the state should be involved. I don’t think that society should be micro managed; we should all work together to ensure we have a positive society dedicated to including and supporting people from all walks of life. People seriously need to think about things they put on any social media site, Facebook even records the things that you type, then decide not to post and delete. laurence86
  • Score: 1

4:06pm Thu 13 Mar 14

robertspet8 says...

Buster Preciation wrote:
JJ38JJ wrote:
I agree with all the comments above and this idiot should be punished but is imprisonment a suitable sentence? Firstly the media coverage of his story and (presumably) the loss of his job is significant and he's going to find getting a new job pretty difficult. The use of prison, at our expense, should be limited to those that are a danger to others or those that cannot pay a fine. Lastly, how many stories have there been on this site of drug dealers who have avoided prison or even a fine? And they usually don't have a job to lose in the first place. Put that in to context.
The inconsistency in sentencing struck me as ridiculous too. On another current story drivers and passengers are being fined £100 for not wearing seatbelts. And yet a couple of weeks ago a drug user and dealer had an accident got "a second chance" off the magistrate. Is it me?
If you read the article the sentence was suspended so, if he keeps his nose clean for the next 18 months, he will not serve any time in jail. Unless the Army decides to court marshall him and he is sentenced to time in the glasshouse.
[quote][p][bold]Buster Preciation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JJ38JJ[/bold] wrote: I agree with all the comments above and this idiot should be punished but is imprisonment a suitable sentence? Firstly the media coverage of his story and (presumably) the loss of his job is significant and he's going to find getting a new job pretty difficult. The use of prison, at our expense, should be limited to those that are a danger to others or those that cannot pay a fine. Lastly, how many stories have there been on this site of drug dealers who have avoided prison or even a fine? And they usually don't have a job to lose in the first place. Put that in to context.[/p][/quote]The inconsistency in sentencing struck me as ridiculous too. On another current story drivers and passengers are being fined £100 for not wearing seatbelts. And yet a couple of weeks ago a drug user and dealer had an accident got "a second chance" off the magistrate. Is it me?[/p][/quote]If you read the article the sentence was suspended so, if he keeps his nose clean for the next 18 months, he will not serve any time in jail. Unless the Army decides to court marshall him and he is sentenced to time in the glasshouse. robertspet8
  • Score: 5

7:51am Fri 14 Mar 14

deepinsight says...

It's a shame that the story doesn't even get the little boys name right.
It's a shame that the story doesn't even get the little boys name right. deepinsight
  • Score: -2

1:52pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Sam_Walker123456 says...

deepinsight wrote:
It's a shame that the story doesn't even get the little boys name right.
Even the national press has used both names and sometimes, as here, in the same article. I am not sure if anyone in the media has seen documentary evidence as to Mikaeel's second name. His Grandparents were certainly Kular but his Gran's second marriage was to a Kumar which I think is where the confusion came in. Mikaeel's mother's maiden name was Kular but she was married to a man called Adekoya before Mikaeel was born. I am not sure if Mikaeel's biological father's name has ever been mentioned. I think that it has been accepted that he was known as Mikaeel Kular but does it really matter? The media did not mean to be disrespectful to his memory and it seems to me that you are picking holes just for the sake of it.
[quote][p][bold]deepinsight[/bold] wrote: It's a shame that the story doesn't even get the little boys name right.[/p][/quote]Even the national press has used both names and sometimes, as here, in the same article. I am not sure if anyone in the media has seen documentary evidence as to Mikaeel's second name. His Grandparents were certainly Kular but his Gran's second marriage was to a Kumar which I think is where the confusion came in. Mikaeel's mother's maiden name was Kular but she was married to a man called Adekoya before Mikaeel was born. I am not sure if Mikaeel's biological father's name has ever been mentioned. I think that it has been accepted that he was known as Mikaeel Kular but does it really matter? The media did not mean to be disrespectful to his memory and it seems to me that you are picking holes just for the sake of it. Sam_Walker123456
  • Score: 3

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