Developers table homes plans for Chineham and Dummer

Wates Developments' public consultation for its plans for Kennel Farm held at Hatch Warren Community Centre in May

Wates Developments' public consultation for its plans for Kennel Farm held at Hatch Warren Community Centre in May Buy this photo

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BATTLE lines are being drawn after two planning applications for hundreds of homes were submitted days apart in the run up to Christmas.

Developer Croudace Strategic Ltd has submitted an outline application for more than 400 homes on land at Razor’s Farm, off Cufaude Lane in the north West of Chineham, and within the parish of Bramley.

And Wates Developments has applied to Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council’s planners for 310 homes on Kennel Farm, off the Winchester Road in Dummer parish.

Campaigners have complained that both applications were submitted during the run up to the Christmas period. Both applications have been lodged before the council finalises its Local Plan – a blueprint of where homes should be built in the borough up until 2029.

Surrey-based firm Croudace are seeking outline permission, which is general approval of the principles of the scheme, to build 425 homes on the 20.46-hectare plot, a children’s play area, and two new access roads off Crockford Lane.

In Croudace’s design and access statement – one of 76 documents submitted with the application – Croudace said that the responses from two public consultations earlier this year had been supportive.

It read: “Of those who commented on the masterplan, most people seemed broadly content with the form of the proposed scheme.”

Since the application was lodged on December 3, Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council has received 140 responses.

Only one was in favour, with 136 against the scheme, and three general comments.

One objector, Janet Aris, 61, of Thyme Close, in Chineham, criticised the plans, and expressed concern over traffic congestions, drainage plans, and pollution of the River Loddon.

“All in all, this whole proposal is a nightmare,” she said. “This is not ‘nimbyism’. It all seems under-hand. A lot of people don’t seem to know anything about it.”

And Chineham ward councillor Elaine Still, who lives in a Croudace-built home in Taylor’s Farm, said she is staunchly opposed to the plans.

“I am very concerned about the traffic,” she said. “I just think it will be too congested.”

Residents will be able to comment until January 4, but a spokeswoman for Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council said responses will still be taken into consideration beyond that date.

A public meeting organised by Chineham Parish Council is scheduled for January 8 from 7.30pm at Wesley Hall at Christ Church, in Reading Road.

The outline application for Kennel Farm, which was submitted on December 10, seeks permission for a mixture of homes made up of single bed properties, and up to five bedroom homes. A new access road off the A30 Winchester Road, and a pedestrian road will be built if the scheme gets the green light.

Oakley and North Waltham ward councillor Cllr Andrew Finney said the timing of the applications will not affect residents’ ability to make their views known.

He said: “Whatever the timing the developer has chosen, the (borough council) planners are going to make sure that people are going to get adequate time to express their views. I am sure the two-week delay during the Christmas period will be reflected in the term.”

A verdict on the Razor’s Farm application is expected by March 4, and the Kennel Farm application by April 3.

The Gazette left messages with Croudace and Wates but no replies had been received by the time the edition went to press.

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5:20pm Sat 29 Dec 12

ThomasPaine says...

What an amazing statement from Elaine Still. This is the woman who said nothing when the Tories proposed both of these sites and tried to stitch up the planning process but where found unlawful and irrational in the High Court. She sat in Council and in the Cabinet and voted to see them both developed - she was unlawful and irrational.

Let me just say that again, ELAINE STILL VOTED FOR RAZORS FARM TO BE DEVELOPED.

It never fails to amaze how hypocritical these Tories are.
What an amazing statement from Elaine Still. This is the woman who said nothing when the Tories proposed both of these sites and tried to stitch up the planning process but where found unlawful and irrational in the High Court. She sat in Council and in the Cabinet and voted to see them both developed - she was unlawful and irrational. Let me just say that again, ELAINE STILL VOTED FOR RAZORS FARM TO BE DEVELOPED. It never fails to amaze how hypocritical these Tories are. ThomasPaine
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5:51pm Sat 29 Dec 12

GC31 says...

How can it not be nimbyism??? I'd rather they don't build on Kennel Farm, but clearly if it's in my back yard and I don't want it there then I'm being a NIMBY and shouldn't pretend otherwise.
How can it not be nimbyism??? I'd rather they don't build on Kennel Farm, but clearly if it's in my back yard and I don't want it there then I'm being a NIMBY and shouldn't pretend otherwise. GC31
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8:10pm Sat 29 Dec 12

Sensory says...

I guess these Nimbys enjoy their own homes that are already built upon green fields and woodland, causing the same traffic and burden on services that they hypocritically complain about.

But let's not mince words. Nimbys don't want others to enjoy the same benefits as them. And with the average age of a Nimby being >40, they have already enjoyed the benefits MUCH cheaper than any kids nowadays could hope to.
I guess these Nimbys enjoy their own homes that are already built upon green fields and woodland, causing the same traffic and burden on services that they hypocritically complain about. But let's not mince words. Nimbys don't want others to enjoy the same benefits as them. And with the average age of a Nimby being >40, they have already enjoyed the benefits MUCH cheaper than any kids nowadays could hope to. Sensory
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1:07pm Sun 30 Dec 12

Max Headroom says...

Funny how the same story seems to repeat itself no matter what part of the country I'm in. Developers want to build new houses in area X, residents in neighbouring area Y kick up a fuss.

I'm 25 and my partner's 26. We'll soon be financially stable enough to start saving for a deposit. Around Basingstoke the lowest price for a 2-bedroom house for starting a family is roughly £150k. A 20% deposit on this is £30k, which would take us at least 5 years to put together.

Partly because of NIMBYs nationwide, and partly due to little being done about empty or unused homes, there is an acute shortage of adequate housing. This affects my personal situation in 2 ways:

- By building new housing and people moving up the ladder, this frees up lower-priced housing for younger first-time buyers like myself.

- Alternatively, with the government's NewBuild scheme first-time buyers can buy a newly-built house with only a 5% deposit. Even for a £200k house this would mean just a £10k deposit, easily achievable for us.

The fact is this country need new housing, and lots of it. Also remember that this'll be providing jobs for manual labour workers, reducing unemployment in a hard-hit sector.

The older generation has screwed up our futures enough over the past few years. It's time for them to give us a chance to experience even a fraction of the good times they've had over the past couple of decades.
Funny how the same story seems to repeat itself no matter what part of the country I'm in. Developers want to build new houses in area X, residents in neighbouring area Y kick up a fuss. I'm 25 and my partner's 26. We'll soon be financially stable enough to start saving for a deposit. Around Basingstoke the lowest price for a 2-bedroom house for starting a family is roughly £150k. A 20% deposit on this is £30k, which would take us at least 5 years to put together. Partly because of NIMBYs nationwide, and partly due to little being done about empty or unused homes, there is an acute shortage of adequate housing. This affects my personal situation in 2 ways: - By building new housing and people moving up the ladder, this frees up lower-priced housing for younger first-time buyers like myself. - Alternatively, with the government's NewBuild scheme first-time buyers can buy a newly-built house with only a 5% deposit. Even for a £200k house this would mean just a £10k deposit, easily achievable for us. The fact is this country need new housing, and lots of it. Also remember that this'll be providing jobs for manual labour workers, reducing unemployment in a hard-hit sector. The older generation has screwed up our futures enough over the past few years. It's time for them to give us a chance to experience even a fraction of the good times they've had over the past couple of decades. Max Headroom
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6:01pm Sun 30 Dec 12

jonone says...

Sensory wrote:
I guess these Nimbys enjoy their own homes that are already built upon green fields and woodland, causing the same traffic and burden on services that they hypocritically complain about.

But let's not mince words. Nimbys don't want others to enjoy the same benefits as them. And with the average age of a Nimby being >40, they have already enjoyed the benefits MUCH cheaper than any kids nowadays could hope to.
My house wasn't built on greenfield or woodland. But that is a scenario you're too retarded to understand.
[quote][p][bold]Sensory[/bold] wrote: I guess these Nimbys enjoy their own homes that are already built upon green fields and woodland, causing the same traffic and burden on services that they hypocritically complain about. But let's not mince words. Nimbys don't want others to enjoy the same benefits as them. And with the average age of a Nimby being >40, they have already enjoyed the benefits MUCH cheaper than any kids nowadays could hope to.[/p][/quote]My house wasn't built on greenfield or woodland. But that is a scenario you're too retarded to understand. jonone
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8:26pm Sun 30 Dec 12

Sensory says...

jonone wrote:
Sensory wrote:
I guess these Nimbys enjoy their own homes that are already built upon green fields and woodland, causing the same traffic and burden on services that they hypocritically complain about.

But let's not mince words. Nimbys don't want others to enjoy the same benefits as them. And with the average age of a Nimby being >40, they have already enjoyed the benefits MUCH cheaper than any kids nowadays could hope to.
My house wasn't built on greenfield or woodland. But that is a scenario you're too retarded to understand.
No? You must live in a cave then, or on a boat maybe? Or do you think that because your house was built on something that someone called 'brownfield', you can rise above the Nimby argument (forgetting, of course, that everything was green and natural once....)

I missed this little gem by Nimby councillor Elaine Still too (who also enjoys a nice house from which she can stop others from enjoying the same) “I am very concerned about the traffic. I just think it will be too congested.” Can someone confirm please if she, or any member of her family, drives a car?

The brass neck of some people is something to be amazed, and despaired shortly after. I can understand some barely literate troll such as jonone getting a bit agitated by change and progress, but a town councillor? Shame.
[quote][p][bold]jonone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sensory[/bold] wrote: I guess these Nimbys enjoy their own homes that are already built upon green fields and woodland, causing the same traffic and burden on services that they hypocritically complain about. But let's not mince words. Nimbys don't want others to enjoy the same benefits as them. And with the average age of a Nimby being >40, they have already enjoyed the benefits MUCH cheaper than any kids nowadays could hope to.[/p][/quote]My house wasn't built on greenfield or woodland. But that is a scenario you're too retarded to understand.[/p][/quote]No? You must live in a cave then, or on a boat maybe? Or do you think that because your house was built on something that someone called 'brownfield', you can rise above the Nimby argument (forgetting, of course, that everything was green and natural once....) I missed this little gem by Nimby councillor Elaine Still too (who also enjoys a nice house from which she can stop others from enjoying the same) “I am very concerned about the traffic. I just think it will be too congested.” Can someone confirm please if she, or any member of her family, drives a car? The brass neck of some people is something to be amazed, and despaired shortly after. I can understand some barely literate troll such as jonone getting a bit agitated by change and progress, but a town councillor? Shame. Sensory
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1:04pm Mon 31 Dec 12

Best_Name_Ever says...

A great post by Max Headroom.
A great post by Max Headroom. Best_Name_Ever
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2:44pm Mon 31 Dec 12

RgPostcode says...

jonone wrote:
Sensory wrote:
I guess these Nimbys enjoy their own homes that are already built upon green fields and woodland, causing the same traffic and burden on services that they hypocritically complain about.

But let's not mince words. Nimbys don't want others to enjoy the same benefits as them. And with the average age of a Nimby being >40, they have already enjoyed the benefits MUCH cheaper than any kids nowadays could hope to.
My house wasn't built on greenfield or woodland. But that is a scenario you're too retarded to understand.
Which means your house would of been built literally in someones backyard....
[quote][p][bold]jonone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sensory[/bold] wrote: I guess these Nimbys enjoy their own homes that are already built upon green fields and woodland, causing the same traffic and burden on services that they hypocritically complain about. But let's not mince words. Nimbys don't want others to enjoy the same benefits as them. And with the average age of a Nimby being >40, they have already enjoyed the benefits MUCH cheaper than any kids nowadays could hope to.[/p][/quote]My house wasn't built on greenfield or woodland. But that is a scenario you're too retarded to understand.[/p][/quote]Which means your house would of been built literally in someones backyard.... RgPostcode
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6:19pm Mon 31 Dec 12

Marina Morris says...

I say build the houses, just make sure they have sufficient parking spaces so that people don't park on footpaths like they have to in the recent developments at Beggarwood, Old Kempshott Lane and Popley (Sherborne St John my @rse!).
Let's face it, once you're sat inside your house it doesn't matter what's going on a couple of streets away (unless it's a night club with the windows open!).
People from Thyme Close and the Taylors Farm development really are extracting the michael!
I say build the houses, just make sure they have sufficient parking spaces so that people don't park on footpaths like they have to in the recent developments at Beggarwood, Old Kempshott Lane and Popley (Sherborne St John my @rse!). Let's face it, once you're sat inside your house it doesn't matter what's going on a couple of streets away (unless it's a night club with the windows open!). People from Thyme Close and the Taylors Farm development really are extracting the michael! Marina Morris
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3:19pm Wed 2 Jan 13

robertspet8 says...

M M says,'...park on footpaths like they have to...'
Nobody has to park their vehicle on a footpath Marina. They make a decision to do it. They would rather impede pedestrians, wheelchair users or parents with prams than have to walk a few yards themselves.
M M says,'...park on footpaths like they have to...' Nobody has to park their vehicle on a footpath Marina. They make a decision to do it. They would rather impede pedestrians, wheelchair users or parents with prams than have to walk a few yards themselves. robertspet8
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3:56pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Buster Preciation says...

I am somewhat mistified by those that argue that we 'need' more houses. Anyone living in or around Basingstoke for the last 2 or 3 decades will have seen tens of thousands of them built. Perhaps someone has the figure for 'proportionally' how many more houses have been built in the borough year on year. I bet it is more than the proportional rise in the population over the same period.
I am somewhat mistified by those that argue that we 'need' more houses. Anyone living in or around Basingstoke for the last 2 or 3 decades will have seen tens of thousands of them built. Perhaps someone has the figure for 'proportionally' how many more houses have been built in the borough year on year. I bet it is more than the proportional rise in the population over the same period. Buster Preciation
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4:45pm Thu 3 Jan 13

nothingchanges says...

robertspet8 wrote:
M M says,'...park on footpaths like they have to...'
Nobody has to park their vehicle on a footpath Marina. They make a decision to do it. They would rather impede pedestrians, wheelchair users or parents with prams than have to walk a few yards themselves.
Er, so what about the majority of new homes built in the last 10 years that have 1 space for a 4 bed family home? Most people have 2 cars so where do you expect them to park the other one? I live in such a development but luckily have 2 spaces so don't need to use the pavement and it annoys me seeing the road 'cluttered' with vehicles all over the path but realistically they have no other choice.
[quote][p][bold]robertspet8[/bold] wrote: M M says,'...park on footpaths like they have to...' Nobody has to park their vehicle on a footpath Marina. They make a decision to do it. They would rather impede pedestrians, wheelchair users or parents with prams than have to walk a few yards themselves.[/p][/quote]Er, so what about the majority of new homes built in the last 10 years that have 1 space for a 4 bed family home? Most people have 2 cars so where do you expect them to park the other one? I live in such a development but luckily have 2 spaces so don't need to use the pavement and it annoys me seeing the road 'cluttered' with vehicles all over the path but realistically they have no other choice. nothingchanges
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8:09am Fri 4 Jan 13

Buster Preciation says...

nothingchanges wrote:
robertspet8 wrote: M M says,'...park on footpaths like they have to...' Nobody has to park their vehicle on a footpath Marina. They make a decision to do it. They would rather impede pedestrians, wheelchair users or parents with prams than have to walk a few yards themselves.
Er, so what about the majority of new homes built in the last 10 years that have 1 space for a 4 bed family home? Most people have 2 cars so where do you expect them to park the other one? I live in such a development but luckily have 2 spaces so don't need to use the pavement and it annoys me seeing the road 'cluttered' with vehicles all over the path but realistically they have no other choice.
Perhaps they should factor in the number of parking places before they 'choose' the house? I did.
[quote][p][bold]nothingchanges[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]robertspet8[/bold] wrote: M M says,'...park on footpaths like they have to...' Nobody has to park their vehicle on a footpath Marina. They make a decision to do it. They would rather impede pedestrians, wheelchair users or parents with prams than have to walk a few yards themselves.[/p][/quote]Er, so what about the majority of new homes built in the last 10 years that have 1 space for a 4 bed family home? Most people have 2 cars so where do you expect them to park the other one? I live in such a development but luckily have 2 spaces so don't need to use the pavement and it annoys me seeing the road 'cluttered' with vehicles all over the path but realistically they have no other choice.[/p][/quote]Perhaps they should factor in the number of parking places before they 'choose' the house? I did. Buster Preciation
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5:06am Sat 5 Jan 13

RgPostcode says...

Buster Preciation wrote:
nothingchanges wrote:
robertspet8 wrote: M M says,'...park on footpaths like they have to...' Nobody has to park their vehicle on a footpath Marina. They make a decision to do it. They would rather impede pedestrians, wheelchair users or parents with prams than have to walk a few yards themselves.
Er, so what about the majority of new homes built in the last 10 years that have 1 space for a 4 bed family home? Most people have 2 cars so where do you expect them to park the other one? I live in such a development but luckily have 2 spaces so don't need to use the pavement and it annoys me seeing the road 'cluttered' with vehicles all over the path but realistically they have no other choice.
Perhaps they should factor in the number of parking places before they 'choose' the house? I did.
Family homes should always have 2 spaces The man and the women both need to get to work.
[quote][p][bold]Buster Preciation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nothingchanges[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]robertspet8[/bold] wrote: M M says,'...park on footpaths like they have to...' Nobody has to park their vehicle on a footpath Marina. They make a decision to do it. They would rather impede pedestrians, wheelchair users or parents with prams than have to walk a few yards themselves.[/p][/quote]Er, so what about the majority of new homes built in the last 10 years that have 1 space for a 4 bed family home? Most people have 2 cars so where do you expect them to park the other one? I live in such a development but luckily have 2 spaces so don't need to use the pavement and it annoys me seeing the road 'cluttered' with vehicles all over the path but realistically they have no other choice.[/p][/quote]Perhaps they should factor in the number of parking places before they 'choose' the house? I did.[/p][/quote]Family homes should always have 2 spaces The man and the women both need to get to work. RgPostcode
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