Ron sees Gaston as Saints' creative force

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Gaston Ramirez could be given the freedom to be one of Saints’ most creative threats after Ronald Koeman confirmed he is unwilling to let the midfielder leave before the close of the transfer window.

Ramirez, a £12m signing, has never quite found his feet at Saints, and has been linked with a move to Sevilla in Spain.

However, Koeman is interested only in signings rather than releasing players and believes Ramirez can produce his qualities - if he can stay fit.

“Our squad is too small to think about players going out of the squad because we have to bring in and not let players out,” he said when asked about a possible St Mary’s exit for Ramirez.

“He’s a very good player because I know him, I see him in the training sessions but he had a big problem. He missed two times in a week in the first six or seven weeks of the season and then you are always back with your physical way and your football way and you need time for that.

“Little by little now I hope he will continue fit and in a good shape because there is no doubt about his quality.

“He can play in my opinion in three positions – in the left wing position, the right wing position and as a number ten behind the striker with a lot of freedom which he needs.

“He’s a player like Tadic, you can’t say stay wide and keep wide, they need movement, they need freedom to play.

“The problem is he wasn’t in the physical 100 per cent and now little by little he will be and then he will start playing.”

With time ticking down until the close of the transfer window on Monday, Koeman confirmed Saints still intend to sign two more players.

However, a deal for Toby Alderweireld is dead while of Andros Townsend the Saints boss said: “I don’t expect good news about that.”

That could mean a late swoop for Norwich winger Nathan Redmond.

Though rumoured interest from Burnley in Jos Hooiveld was played down by Koeman, Artur Boruc could yet leave Saints after the signing of Fraser Forster, while there is also a lot of focus on Jack Cork.

The midfielder has one year remaining on his contract, and is not set to be offered a new deal by Saints.

He is currently their only cover at right back, but if someone else arrives in that role then Cork’s future will look uncertain once more.

Koeman was asked what Cork has to do to get a new contract and said: “Training and playing like he is now and there will come a moment that the club will decide about his future but it’s too early to say others things than I can do now at the moment.”

He added: “It’s always different.

“There’s a new manager and everybody starts at zero and have to show their qualities and the manager will decide the line-up for the match and if you are not one of the 11 show the manager your qualities.

“How he did against Millwall he came on a good way in the team and brings the spirit in the team what we need in the second half and that’s the way you have to react and you have to do that.”

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8:10am Fri 29 Aug 14

SaintPC says...

I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites.

I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club.

Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans.

COYR!
I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites. I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club. Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans. COYR! SaintPC
  • Score: 165

8:14am Fri 29 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts. Clever Dick
  • Score: 38

8:17am Fri 29 Aug 14

saintbobby says...

For me, and I suspect a few others, this is good news. We have seen some excellent play on occasions from Gaston and I really believe that he could flourish under RK. Ron's analysis gives a lot of optimism about Gaston and, as usual, describes his vision about the player.

Good luck, Ron, with the last signings, where again you have been upfront, and several quite fancy Redmond if we could get him!

Finally, please sort out Jack Cork's situation. If you read these posts, Ron, you will know Jack's abilities are much appreciated on this site. Sign him up quickly, please, better for us than other admirers.
For me, and I suspect a few others, this is good news. We have seen some excellent play on occasions from Gaston and I really believe that he could flourish under RK. Ron's analysis gives a lot of optimism about Gaston and, as usual, describes his vision about the player. Good luck, Ron, with the last signings, where again you have been upfront, and several quite fancy Redmond if we could get him! Finally, please sort out Jack Cork's situation. If you read these posts, Ron, you will know Jack's abilities are much appreciated on this site. Sign him up quickly, please, better for us than other admirers. saintbobby
  • Score: 82

8:19am Fri 29 Aug 14

Buddy SFC says...

Really pleased to hear that ........... against Bournemouth he looked like a new man under Ron Kom and I was gutted to hear he might go .............

Interesting few days especially as some clubs have no regard for their future and are panic buying at any cost with a wage structure that can't be supported !
Really pleased to hear that ........... against Bournemouth he looked like a new man under Ron Kom and I was gutted to hear he might go ............. Interesting few days especially as some clubs have no regard for their future and are panic buying at any cost with a wage structure that can't be supported ! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 42

8:27am Fri 29 Aug 14

Wembley76 says...

Once again the club is showing ambition and has successfully turned around a v difficult situation which was largely beyond their control. Ronald has done a great job in steadying the ship and getting the players behind him....pity a few did not 'wait and see' before jumping with MoPo...they may live to regret it...a couple more good quality signings and we have everything to be optimistic about for this season. On JC, Ronald is not the only manager to be unsure about him, his stats are not as good as VW, but he is a good squad player. It is fair for the new boss to have a good look at the players before committing to a long term contract...that's just good business...Well done Ronald!!
Once again the club is showing ambition and has successfully turned around a v difficult situation which was largely beyond their control. Ronald has done a great job in steadying the ship and getting the players behind him....pity a few did not 'wait and see' before jumping with MoPo...they may live to regret it...a couple more good quality signings and we have everything to be optimistic about for this season. On JC, Ronald is not the only manager to be unsure about him, his stats are not as good as VW, but he is a good squad player. It is fair for the new boss to have a good look at the players before committing to a long term contract...that's just good business...Well done Ronald!! Wembley76
  • Score: 69

8:33am Fri 29 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

If I had to make a choice between keeping Gaston or signing Townsend then I would opt for Gaston every day of the week, just hope that he can stay fit.
If I had to make a choice between keeping Gaston or signing Townsend then I would opt for Gaston every day of the week, just hope that he can stay fit. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 66

8:39am Fri 29 Aug 14

saintmicky says...

Gaston"s future is safe at the club because of his obvious quality, but Corker needs to earn his place? Erm, still Ron hasn't had long to assess things yet, let's hope he doesn't do anything hasty!
Should be interesting against West Hoof, as judging by Saturdays game Ron has been studying big SAMs approach.
Gaston"s future is safe at the club because of his obvious quality, but Corker needs to earn his place? Erm, still Ron hasn't had long to assess things yet, let's hope he doesn't do anything hasty! Should be interesting against West Hoof, as judging by Saturdays game Ron has been studying big SAMs approach. saintmicky
  • Score: 14

8:39am Fri 29 Aug 14

StopMoaningPeople says...

I think he is wRONg about Gaston and we need to get rid ASAP!! Not suited to the english game I'm afraid.
I think he is wRONg about Gaston and we need to get rid ASAP!! Not suited to the english game I'm afraid. StopMoaningPeople
  • Score: -119

8:51am Fri 29 Aug 14

Malcombe says...

SaintPC
Fantastic assessment thank you it was a pleasure to read.

I have always rated Gaston, his vision and silky skills are superb but it proves that he needs to be 100% physically and mentally fit or as Ronald suggest he can't be risked to play, we all know men are different, I am 5'6" very rarely been ill and never been large or skinny but I have always been strong mentally and physically but it seems that Gaston in Ronald and the previous Liars eyes must lack some of these qualities that are very important in Football because it's very much a contact Sport.
Ronald does present himself as a very down to earth and honest
Manager which is comforting but once again it appears the rumours are still circulating regarding Southampton Players that of Gaston and Jack, who the heck plants these seeds it's must be the scourge of Professional Football the Agents but Ronald has said he wants these 2 Players and it's not rocket science why, Jack is the unsung hero of the first Team, he gets on and does his job efficiently and his team mates the defenders around him and the other Players trust him, he too has very good vision and can clean up very quickly any sniff of danger, we all rate him and like him so it's music to the Supporters ears that he and Gaston are staying because if Ronald says they are then any rumours are just that, (Please Ronald don't let me down as you are a breath of fresh air) COYR
SaintPC Fantastic assessment thank you it was a pleasure to read. I have always rated Gaston, his vision and silky skills are superb but it proves that he needs to be 100% physically and mentally fit or as Ronald suggest he can't be risked to play, we all know men are different, I am 5'6" very rarely been ill and never been large or skinny but I have always been strong mentally and physically but it seems that Gaston in Ronald and the previous Liars eyes must lack some of these qualities that are very important in Football because it's very much a contact Sport. Ronald does present himself as a very down to earth and honest Manager which is comforting but once again it appears the rumours are still circulating regarding Southampton Players that of Gaston and Jack, who the heck plants these seeds it's must be the scourge of Professional Football the Agents but Ronald has said he wants these 2 Players and it's not rocket science why, Jack is the unsung hero of the first Team, he gets on and does his job efficiently and his team mates the defenders around him and the other Players trust him, he too has very good vision and can clean up very quickly any sniff of danger, we all rate him and like him so it's music to the Supporters ears that he and Gaston are staying because if Ronald says they are then any rumours are just that, (Please Ronald don't let me down as you are a breath of fresh air) COYR Malcombe
  • Score: 29

8:56am Fri 29 Aug 14

Saintsayer II says...

We were lucky to get Cork when we were a newly promoted Championship side and he was a massive influence in our promotion to the PL He got injured after playing for GB in the Olympics It was his return to fitness that saw our turn in fortunes and we started to pick up a few points before MP came in
We must keep him he can be a game changer ie Fulham last season and Millwall this week Mr Consistantis our Jack
We were lucky to get Cork when we were a newly promoted Championship side and he was a massive influence in our promotion to the PL He got injured after playing for GB in the Olympics It was his return to fitness that saw our turn in fortunes and we started to pick up a few points before MP came in We must keep him he can be a game changer ie Fulham last season and Millwall this week Mr Consistantis our Jack Saintsayer II
  • Score: 34

8:59am Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

SaintPC wrote:
I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites.

I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club.

Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans.

COYR!
Loved reading this post. For what it's worth I think you are absolutely correct - the individuals who think they can do better and do the first over-emotional and ill-thought out things which come into their now malfunctioning thought processes by verbally lashing out are really tiresome.
You are a voice of sanity on here sir - there are many others also but they are usually shouted down at the first sign of the next rumour/imagined setback/press report/player's tweet etc.
Thank you for being rational.
This is going to be a great season and leading to an even better one.
[quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites. I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club. Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans. COYR![/p][/quote]Loved reading this post. For what it's worth I think you are absolutely correct - the individuals who think they can do better and do the first over-emotional and ill-thought out things which come into their now malfunctioning thought processes by verbally lashing out are really tiresome. You are a voice of sanity on here sir - there are many others also but they are usually shouted down at the first sign of the next rumour/imagined setback/press report/player's tweet etc. Thank you for being rational. This is going to be a great season and leading to an even better one. jls217
  • Score: 33

9:03am Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
SaintPC - Not so Clever Dick.
Here is a prime example of what I mean. Posted even before I had finished my reply to your thoughtful post

I think clever dick must be Jack's Mum or maybe his agent even. Either way it seems to be clouding his faculties somewhat.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]SaintPC - Not so Clever Dick. Here is a prime example of what I mean. Posted even before I had finished my reply to your thoughtful post I think clever dick must be Jack's Mum or maybe his agent even. Either way it seems to be clouding his faculties somewhat. jls217
  • Score: 1

9:10am Fri 29 Aug 14

george chivers says...

SaintPC wrote:
I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites.

I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club.

Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans.

COYR!
As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct.

Have you managed a professional football club?

Have you played professional football?

Have you worked at board level for a professional football club?

Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club?

You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club.

Where did you get that knowledge from?

For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC

Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club.

That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.
[quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites. I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club. Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans. COYR![/p][/quote]As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct. Have you managed a professional football club? Have you played professional football? Have you worked at board level for a professional football club? Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club? You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club. Where did you get that knowledge from? For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club. That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that. george chivers
  • Score: -56

9:14am Fri 29 Aug 14

saint phil says...

O,DEAR its going tits up
O,DEAR its going tits up saint phil
  • Score: -16

9:18am Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Wembley76 wrote:
Once again the club is showing ambition and has successfully turned around a v difficult situation which was largely beyond their control. Ronald has done a great job in steadying the ship and getting the players behind him....pity a few did not 'wait and see' before jumping with MoPo...they may live to regret it...a couple more good quality signings and we have everything to be optimistic about for this season. On JC, Ronald is not the only manager to be unsure about him, his stats are not as good as VW, but he is a good squad player. It is fair for the new boss to have a good look at the players before committing to a long term contract...that's just good business...Well done Ronald!!
Agreed - Rambros has done a great job in applying the brakes on our downward spiral. Not sure players regret anything other than missing a chance of a bigger pay day - sad but that's what football seems to have become to our false idols.
You make an interesting point on JC - Each time I've watched him I've liked what he's done for us but I am only the fan. Clearly what he does or doesn't do on and off the field, in or out of the training facility does not please the trained eyes that are on him. They are the experts - I have to put my trust in what they feel and see.
Rambros seems to have thrown the ball back to Jack and said quite clearly, if you want to stay, impress us, if you want to bob along as average we're happy to let you go. Now it's down to Jack and IF he is as good as we, the uninformed customers seem to think, he'll go out and make sure Rambros has no choice but to offer him a good contract, IF he doesn't grab the chance and improve Rambros seems to have made it clear he can go somewhere else. - I'm impressed with that attitude, shame there aren't more managers making it that clear to their spoilt little brats.
I think Jack has great potential and is still young enough to get close to reaching that potential, I'd love to see him at the centre of our team improvement for years to come but if Rambros doesn't think he's right I'm not the right person to question that decision and neither are 99.9% of our fans. Won't stop 'em ranting about it before engaging their brains of course!
[quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: Once again the club is showing ambition and has successfully turned around a v difficult situation which was largely beyond their control. Ronald has done a great job in steadying the ship and getting the players behind him....pity a few did not 'wait and see' before jumping with MoPo...they may live to regret it...a couple more good quality signings and we have everything to be optimistic about for this season. On JC, Ronald is not the only manager to be unsure about him, his stats are not as good as VW, but he is a good squad player. It is fair for the new boss to have a good look at the players before committing to a long term contract...that's just good business...Well done Ronald!![/p][/quote]Agreed - Rambros has done a great job in applying the brakes on our downward spiral. Not sure players regret anything other than missing a chance of a bigger pay day - sad but that's what football seems to have become to our false idols. You make an interesting point on JC - Each time I've watched him I've liked what he's done for us but I am only the fan. Clearly what he does or doesn't do on and off the field, in or out of the training facility does not please the trained eyes that are on him. They are the experts - I have to put my trust in what they feel and see. Rambros seems to have thrown the ball back to Jack and said quite clearly, if you want to stay, impress us, if you want to bob along as average we're happy to let you go. Now it's down to Jack and IF he is as good as we, the uninformed customers seem to think, he'll go out and make sure Rambros has no choice but to offer him a good contract, IF he doesn't grab the chance and improve Rambros seems to have made it clear he can go somewhere else. - I'm impressed with that attitude, shame there aren't more managers making it that clear to their spoilt little brats. I think Jack has great potential and is still young enough to get close to reaching that potential, I'd love to see him at the centre of our team improvement for years to come but if Rambros doesn't think he's right I'm not the right person to question that decision and neither are 99.9% of our fans. Won't stop 'em ranting about it before engaging their brains of course! jls217
  • Score: 23

9:22am Fri 29 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

jls217 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
SaintPC - Not so Clever Dick.
Here is a prime example of what I mean. Posted even before I had finished my reply to your thoughtful post

I think clever dick must be Jack's Mum or maybe his agent even. Either way it seems to be clouding his faculties somewhat.
You think wrong. JC was our player of the season 2 seasons ago and won an award last season as well. It's quite simply a no brainer that he should be given a new contract. If RK need to see what he can do just get him to sit in front of a TV screen and play back all of last year's games in which Jack played. In addition to that he has just got on with the job this season as well. There have been no public outbursts, no tantrums and no throwing toys out of the pram. For us he has been a model proffessional and doesn't deserve to be treated in this way.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]SaintPC - Not so Clever Dick. Here is a prime example of what I mean. Posted even before I had finished my reply to your thoughtful post I think clever dick must be Jack's Mum or maybe his agent even. Either way it seems to be clouding his faculties somewhat.[/p][/quote]You think wrong. JC was our player of the season 2 seasons ago and won an award last season as well. It's quite simply a no brainer that he should be given a new contract. If RK need to see what he can do just get him to sit in front of a TV screen and play back all of last year's games in which Jack played. In addition to that he has just got on with the job this season as well. There have been no public outbursts, no tantrums and no throwing toys out of the pram. For us he has been a model proffessional and doesn't deserve to be treated in this way. Clever Dick
  • Score: 9

9:23am Fri 29 Aug 14

InsideOutCat says...

george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites.

I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club.

Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans.

COYR!
As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct.

Have you managed a professional football club?

Have you played professional football?

Have you worked at board level for a professional football club?

Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club?

You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club.

Where did you get that knowledge from?

For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC

Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club.

That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.
George, how many of your own questions can you answer YES to? Try reading the man's post properly before throwing a playground tantrum and illustrating exactly what SaintPC is complaining about. Nobody's saying that it's wrong to feel that you are an "emotional shareholder", or stakeholder at least, in the club but those emotions aren't necessarily the most stable or reliable foundation when it comes to suggesting what's best for the club.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites. I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club. Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans. COYR![/p][/quote]As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct. Have you managed a professional football club? Have you played professional football? Have you worked at board level for a professional football club? Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club? You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club. Where did you get that knowledge from? For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club. That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.[/p][/quote]George, how many of your own questions can you answer YES to? Try reading the man's post properly before throwing a playground tantrum and illustrating exactly what SaintPC is complaining about. Nobody's saying that it's wrong to feel that you are an "emotional shareholder", or stakeholder at least, in the club but those emotions aren't necessarily the most stable or reliable foundation when it comes to suggesting what's best for the club. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 20

9:24am Fri 29 Aug 14

TruthTellerTomIV says...

Biggest waste of money in the Premiership ever. At least Liverpool got some money back for Carroll, this boy has no technique, we need to sign players ASAP like Cattermole or go all out and get Lovren back
Biggest waste of money in the Premiership ever. At least Liverpool got some money back for Carroll, this boy has no technique, we need to sign players ASAP like Cattermole or go all out and get Lovren back TruthTellerTomIV
  • Score: -79

9:24am Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

saintmicky wrote:
Gaston"s future is safe at the club because of his obvious quality, but Corker needs to earn his place? Erm, still Ron hasn't had long to assess things yet, let's hope he doesn't do anything hasty!
Should be interesting against West Hoof, as judging by Saturdays game Ron has been studying big SAMs approach.
How patronizingly benevelent of you to Erm, grant Rambros your benefit of the doubt mickey.

I would suggest to you that the like of the Rambros and the team they have assessing the squad knew more about Ramirez and Cork by the end of the first week with bum in seat than the likes of you and I have (jointly) in all the time they've been here. Are you seriously suggesting otherwise? If so I'd like to see you as our next manager, no CEO, sod it, as owner really.
[quote][p][bold]saintmicky[/bold] wrote: Gaston"s future is safe at the club because of his obvious quality, but Corker needs to earn his place? Erm, still Ron hasn't had long to assess things yet, let's hope he doesn't do anything hasty! Should be interesting against West Hoof, as judging by Saturdays game Ron has been studying big SAMs approach.[/p][/quote]How patronizingly benevelent of you to Erm, grant Rambros your benefit of the doubt mickey. I would suggest to you that the like of the Rambros and the team they have assessing the squad knew more about Ramirez and Cork by the end of the first week with bum in seat than the likes of you and I have (jointly) in all the time they've been here. Are you seriously suggesting otherwise? If so I'd like to see you as our next manager, no CEO, sod it, as owner really. jls217
  • Score: 1

9:25am Fri 29 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

RK makes it clear Spider is not going as he is an important part of the team meanwhile Corky has to start at zero, right or wrong it does not exactly make him feel wanted does it.
RK makes it clear Spider is not going as he is an important part of the team meanwhile Corky has to start at zero, right or wrong it does not exactly make him feel wanted does it. warrens 76
  • Score: 7

9:28am Fri 29 Aug 14

StopMoaningPeople says...

TruthTellerTomIV wrote:
Biggest waste of money in the Premiership ever. At least Liverpool got some money back for Carroll, this boy has no technique, we need to sign players ASAP like Cattermole or go all out and get Lovren back
We could make a move for Navas- heard he's unsettled at city due to potentially being left out of the Champions League squad... even if it's just on loan?
[quote][p][bold]TruthTellerTomIV[/bold] wrote: Biggest waste of money in the Premiership ever. At least Liverpool got some money back for Carroll, this boy has no technique, we need to sign players ASAP like Cattermole or go all out and get Lovren back[/p][/quote]We could make a move for Navas- heard he's unsettled at city due to potentially being left out of the Champions League squad... even if it's just on loan? StopMoaningPeople
  • Score: -9

9:30am Fri 29 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

warrens 76 wrote:
RK makes it clear Spider is not going as he is an important part of the team meanwhile Corky has to start at zero, right or wrong it does not exactly make him feel wanted does it.
Exactly. And as Jack is currently the direct replacement for either VW or Spider it just doesn't make sense.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: RK makes it clear Spider is not going as he is an important part of the team meanwhile Corky has to start at zero, right or wrong it does not exactly make him feel wanted does it.[/p][/quote]Exactly. And as Jack is currently the direct replacement for either VW or Spider it just doesn't make sense. Clever Dick
  • Score: 7

9:30am Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

StopMoaningPeople wrote:
I think he is wRONg about Gaston and we need to get rid ASAP!! Not suited to the english game I'm afraid.
You may end up being proved right mate only time will tell. I'd like to see him given a greater chance to prove/adapt than he's had so far. He's been here a little while now but don't forget the injury he picked up and then made worse when he came back (maybe too soon, trying to prove himself worthy of a place) That was a bloody horrible injury - when I saw it I thought he'd smashed the ankle for sure. That sort of injury can last for years niggling away every time you feel confident about it and for sure that's an injury that will catch up with him by the time he's 35-40 - he will for sure never forget that tackle. I can only hope you're wrong but concede you could just be right.
[quote][p][bold]StopMoaningPeople[/bold] wrote: I think he is wRONg about Gaston and we need to get rid ASAP!! Not suited to the english game I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]You may end up being proved right mate only time will tell. I'd like to see him given a greater chance to prove/adapt than he's had so far. He's been here a little while now but don't forget the injury he picked up and then made worse when he came back (maybe too soon, trying to prove himself worthy of a place) That was a bloody horrible injury - when I saw it I thought he'd smashed the ankle for sure. That sort of injury can last for years niggling away every time you feel confident about it and for sure that's an injury that will catch up with him by the time he's 35-40 - he will for sure never forget that tackle. I can only hope you're wrong but concede you could just be right. jls217
  • Score: -4

9:32am Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Malcombe wrote:
SaintPC
Fantastic assessment thank you it was a pleasure to read.

I have always rated Gaston, his vision and silky skills are superb but it proves that he needs to be 100% physically and mentally fit or as Ronald suggest he can't be risked to play, we all know men are different, I am 5'6" very rarely been ill and never been large or skinny but I have always been strong mentally and physically but it seems that Gaston in Ronald and the previous Liars eyes must lack some of these qualities that are very important in Football because it's very much a contact Sport.
Ronald does present himself as a very down to earth and honest
Manager which is comforting but once again it appears the rumours are still circulating regarding Southampton Players that of Gaston and Jack, who the heck plants these seeds it's must be the scourge of Professional Football the Agents but Ronald has said he wants these 2 Players and it's not rocket science why, Jack is the unsung hero of the first Team, he gets on and does his job efficiently and his team mates the defenders around him and the other Players trust him, he too has very good vision and can clean up very quickly any sniff of danger, we all rate him and like him so it's music to the Supporters ears that he and Gaston are staying because if Ronald says they are then any rumours are just that, (Please Ronald don't let me down as you are a breath of fresh air) COYR
I'll drink to all of that.
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: SaintPC Fantastic assessment thank you it was a pleasure to read. I have always rated Gaston, his vision and silky skills are superb but it proves that he needs to be 100% physically and mentally fit or as Ronald suggest he can't be risked to play, we all know men are different, I am 5'6" very rarely been ill and never been large or skinny but I have always been strong mentally and physically but it seems that Gaston in Ronald and the previous Liars eyes must lack some of these qualities that are very important in Football because it's very much a contact Sport. Ronald does present himself as a very down to earth and honest Manager which is comforting but once again it appears the rumours are still circulating regarding Southampton Players that of Gaston and Jack, who the heck plants these seeds it's must be the scourge of Professional Football the Agents but Ronald has said he wants these 2 Players and it's not rocket science why, Jack is the unsung hero of the first Team, he gets on and does his job efficiently and his team mates the defenders around him and the other Players trust him, he too has very good vision and can clean up very quickly any sniff of danger, we all rate him and like him so it's music to the Supporters ears that he and Gaston are staying because if Ronald says they are then any rumours are just that, (Please Ronald don't let me down as you are a breath of fresh air) COYR[/p][/quote]I'll drink to all of that. jls217
  • Score: 1

9:33am Fri 29 Aug 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

StopMoaningPeople wrote:
I think he is wRONg about Gaston and we need to get rid ASAP!! Not suited to the english game I'm afraid.
Ironic name!

All you do is moan!! Lol
[quote][p][bold]StopMoaningPeople[/bold] wrote: I think he is wRONg about Gaston and we need to get rid ASAP!! Not suited to the english game I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]Ironic name! All you do is moan!! Lol SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 14

9:34am Fri 29 Aug 14

Shareholder says...

StopMoaningPeople wrote:
I think he is wRONg about Gaston and we need to get rid ASAP!! Not suited to the english game I'm afraid.
Or he may just have been mismanaged in the past. New managers can often turn around a player's performance. If they don't feel wanted they won't perform well nor confidently. I'm very happy to have him here because I think he could be very good for us. Nice name tag by the way - always good not to moan isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]StopMoaningPeople[/bold] wrote: I think he is wRONg about Gaston and we need to get rid ASAP!! Not suited to the english game I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]Or he may just have been mismanaged in the past. New managers can often turn around a player's performance. If they don't feel wanted they won't perform well nor confidently. I'm very happy to have him here because I think he could be very good for us. Nice name tag by the way - always good not to moan isn't it? Shareholder
  • Score: 7

9:37am Fri 29 Aug 14

wrypop says...

Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Enough is enough - time to drop the 'Clever' from your name. From now on I shall just refer to you as Dick. Your knowledge of football knows no starting point. Whether its player appraisal or how to deal in the transfer market your views make all the rest of us appear like experts. Still I suppose its Dick by name - Dick by nature.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Enough is enough - time to drop the 'Clever' from your name. From now on I shall just refer to you as Dick. Your knowledge of football knows no starting point. Whether its player appraisal or how to deal in the transfer market your views make all the rest of us appear like experts. Still I suppose its Dick by name - Dick by nature. wrypop
  • Score: 21

9:38am Fri 29 Aug 14

Shareholder says...

jls217 wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites.

I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club.

Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans.

COYR!
Loved reading this post. For what it's worth I think you are absolutely correct - the individuals who think they can do better and do the first over-emotional and ill-thought out things which come into their now malfunctioning thought processes by verbally lashing out are really tiresome.
You are a voice of sanity on here sir - there are many others also but they are usually shouted down at the first sign of the next rumour/imagined setback/press report/player's tweet etc.
Thank you for being rational.
This is going to be a great season and leading to an even better one.
Here here. Well put both of you!
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites. I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club. Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans. COYR![/p][/quote]Loved reading this post. For what it's worth I think you are absolutely correct - the individuals who think they can do better and do the first over-emotional and ill-thought out things which come into their now malfunctioning thought processes by verbally lashing out are really tiresome. You are a voice of sanity on here sir - there are many others also but they are usually shouted down at the first sign of the next rumour/imagined setback/press report/player's tweet etc. Thank you for being rational. This is going to be a great season and leading to an even better one.[/p][/quote]Here here. Well put both of you! Shareholder
  • Score: 4

9:40am Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

jls217 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
SaintPC - Not so Clever Dick.
Here is a prime example of what I mean. Posted even before I had finished my reply to your thoughtful post

I think clever dick must be Jack's Mum or maybe his agent even. Either way it seems to be clouding his faculties somewhat.
Or maybe he has a large object pretruding from his forehead and two sphericle objects hanging in his eyes.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]SaintPC - Not so Clever Dick. Here is a prime example of what I mean. Posted even before I had finished my reply to your thoughtful post I think clever dick must be Jack's Mum or maybe his agent even. Either way it seems to be clouding his faculties somewhat.[/p][/quote]Or maybe he has a large object pretruding from his forehead and two sphericle objects hanging in his eyes. fascia123
  • Score: 1

9:41am Fri 29 Aug 14

KSO16R says...

Clever Dick wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
SaintPC - Not so Clever Dick.
Here is a prime example of what I mean. Posted even before I had finished my reply to your thoughtful post

I think clever dick must be Jack's Mum or maybe his agent even. Either way it seems to be clouding his faculties somewhat.
You think wrong. JC was our player of the season 2 seasons ago and won an award last season as well. It's quite simply a no brainer that he should be given a new contract. If RK need to see what he can do just get him to sit in front of a TV screen and play back all of last year's games in which Jack played. In addition to that he has just got on with the job this season as well. There have been no public outbursts, no tantrums and no throwing toys out of the pram. For us he has been a model proffessional and doesn't deserve to be treated in this way.
Do you really think the manager hasn't watched video jack cork over previous reasons?
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]SaintPC - Not so Clever Dick. Here is a prime example of what I mean. Posted even before I had finished my reply to your thoughtful post I think clever dick must be Jack's Mum or maybe his agent even. Either way it seems to be clouding his faculties somewhat.[/p][/quote]You think wrong. JC was our player of the season 2 seasons ago and won an award last season as well. It's quite simply a no brainer that he should be given a new contract. If RK need to see what he can do just get him to sit in front of a TV screen and play back all of last year's games in which Jack played. In addition to that he has just got on with the job this season as well. There have been no public outbursts, no tantrums and no throwing toys out of the pram. For us he has been a model proffessional and doesn't deserve to be treated in this way.[/p][/quote]Do you really think the manager hasn't watched video jack cork over previous reasons? KSO16R
  • Score: 5

9:41am Fri 29 Aug 14

Shareholder says...

Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Goodness! You very nearly got your name right!
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Goodness! You very nearly got your name right! Shareholder
  • Score: -1

9:44am Fri 29 Aug 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Oooooooooooohhhhhhhh
h

GASTON RAMIREZ
Oooooooooooohhhhhhhh h GASTON RAMIREZ SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 9

9:44am Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
SaintPC - Not so Clever Dick.
Here is a prime example of what I mean. Posted even before I had finished my reply to your thoughtful post

I think clever dick must be Jack's Mum or maybe his agent even. Either way it seems to be clouding his faculties somewhat.
You think wrong. JC was our player of the season 2 seasons ago and won an award last season as well. It's quite simply a no brainer that he should be given a new contract. If RK need to see what he can do just get him to sit in front of a TV screen and play back all of last year's games in which Jack played. In addition to that he has just got on with the job this season as well. There have been no public outbursts, no tantrums and no throwing toys out of the pram. For us he has been a model proffessional and doesn't deserve to be treated in this way.
If you had read my posts on the subject you'd see you are preaching to the converted mate - I really rate JC. BUT and here's the rub it's not me (the total amateur) he has to convince it's the Rambros and team (the total pros)
In the interview he was very clear that there is a new Sheriff in town and every player starts at zero, clearly Rambros and team have not seen enough in JC yet to convince them to sign him long term, it's up to Jack to continue going about his business in the right way to show them he is good enough - Don't see how anyone can be fairer than that - just why you gone off on a personal trajectory about it all I don't know. I agree with your point of view, I just don't agree with how you've responded to it especially as the Rambros have sort of said they agree with you and like the way JC has applied himself, is it enough to get a contract? - don't know yet and neither do you.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]SaintPC - Not so Clever Dick. Here is a prime example of what I mean. Posted even before I had finished my reply to your thoughtful post I think clever dick must be Jack's Mum or maybe his agent even. Either way it seems to be clouding his faculties somewhat.[/p][/quote]You think wrong. JC was our player of the season 2 seasons ago and won an award last season as well. It's quite simply a no brainer that he should be given a new contract. If RK need to see what he can do just get him to sit in front of a TV screen and play back all of last year's games in which Jack played. In addition to that he has just got on with the job this season as well. There have been no public outbursts, no tantrums and no throwing toys out of the pram. For us he has been a model proffessional and doesn't deserve to be treated in this way.[/p][/quote]If you had read my posts on the subject you'd see you are preaching to the converted mate - I really rate JC. BUT and here's the rub it's not me (the total amateur) he has to convince it's the Rambros and team (the total pros) In the interview he was very clear that there is a new Sheriff in town and every player starts at zero, clearly Rambros and team have not seen enough in JC yet to convince them to sign him long term, it's up to Jack to continue going about his business in the right way to show them he is good enough - Don't see how anyone can be fairer than that - just why you gone off on a personal trajectory about it all I don't know. I agree with your point of view, I just don't agree with how you've responded to it especially as the Rambros have sort of said they agree with you and like the way JC has applied himself, is it enough to get a contract? - don't know yet and neither do you. jls217
  • Score: 7

9:47am Fri 29 Aug 14

Shareholder says...

saint phil wrote:
O,DEAR its going tits up
Chin up old chap - we all experience problems in the bedroom from time to time!
[quote][p][bold]saint phil[/bold] wrote: O,DEAR its going tits up[/p][/quote]Chin up old chap - we all experience problems in the bedroom from time to time! Shareholder
  • Score: 9

9:47am Fri 29 Aug 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Oooooooohhh

Jack Cork

(hmmm, just doesn't work does it!)

If you love Cork so much make him a chant so you can show your appreciation when he plays.
Oooooooohhh Jack Cork (hmmm, just doesn't work does it!) If you love Cork so much make him a chant so you can show your appreciation when he plays. SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 9

9:48am Fri 29 Aug 14

EricMartin'sHat says...

I just think RK is being sensible in not "confirming" Corky with a new contract (right now) - he doesn't know what state things will be in next May. At the end of the season it will be worth a look. But, it sounds like he definitely wants him here this season.

If we get another right back, this can release Clyne as a winger, and Cork will be the cover.
I just think RK is being sensible in not "confirming" Corky with a new contract (right now) - he doesn't know what state things will be in next May. At the end of the season it will be worth a look. But, it sounds like he definitely wants him here this season. If we get another right back, this can release Clyne as a winger, and Cork will be the cover. EricMartin'sHat
  • Score: 3

9:49am Fri 29 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

Ron walks on water at the moment. No sign of hesitancy or wishy washy indecision.

What's not to like ?
Ron walks on water at the moment. No sign of hesitancy or wishy washy indecision. What's not to like ? Alicesdad
  • Score: 19

9:51am Fri 29 Aug 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Clever Dick?

Or Stupid Tw@t....?

I think you need to change your name.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Clever Dick? Or Stupid Tw@t....? I think you need to change your name. SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 10

9:52am Fri 29 Aug 14

Velleity says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Oooooooohhh

Jack Cork

(hmmm, just doesn't work does it!)

If you love Cork so much make him a chant so you can show your appreciation when he plays.
There is one. It was sung very loud and proud at the WBA game and the Millwall game.

Go to a match and listen; you might hear it.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: Oooooooohhh Jack Cork (hmmm, just doesn't work does it!) If you love Cork so much make him a chant so you can show your appreciation when he plays.[/p][/quote]There is one. It was sung very loud and proud at the WBA game and the Millwall game. Go to a match and listen; you might hear it. Velleity
  • Score: 3

9:53am Fri 29 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

Shareholder wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Goodness! You very nearly got your name right!
It's Richard to you!
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Goodness! You very nearly got your name right![/p][/quote]It's Richard to you! Clever Dick
  • Score: -8

9:56am Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
SaintPC - Not so Clever Dick.
Here is a prime example of what I mean. Posted even before I had finished my reply to your thoughtful post

I think clever dick must be Jack's Mum or maybe his agent even. Either way it seems to be clouding his faculties somewhat.
You think wrong. JC was our player of the season 2 seasons ago and won an award last season as well. It's quite simply a no brainer that he should be given a new contract. If RK need to see what he can do just get him to sit in front of a TV screen and play back all of last year's games in which Jack played. In addition to that he has just got on with the job this season as well. There have been no public outbursts, no tantrums and no throwing toys out of the pram. For us he has been a model proffessional and doesn't deserve to be treated in this way.
For me I really like JC and won't argue that he should stay at the club but that is RKs decision in which I trust implicitly for he has more integrity in his little finger than our previous hide behind an interpreter until i jump ship manager had in his whole body.

So the bit I have a problem with your post is the washy washy bit, I have found the transparency of these guys mighty refreshing to say the least.

And I suppose you didn't do yourself any favours with your immediate launch into ****?ing about, load of boll?x etc
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]SaintPC - Not so Clever Dick. Here is a prime example of what I mean. Posted even before I had finished my reply to your thoughtful post I think clever dick must be Jack's Mum or maybe his agent even. Either way it seems to be clouding his faculties somewhat.[/p][/quote]You think wrong. JC was our player of the season 2 seasons ago and won an award last season as well. It's quite simply a no brainer that he should be given a new contract. If RK need to see what he can do just get him to sit in front of a TV screen and play back all of last year's games in which Jack played. In addition to that he has just got on with the job this season as well. There have been no public outbursts, no tantrums and no throwing toys out of the pram. For us he has been a model proffessional and doesn't deserve to be treated in this way.[/p][/quote]For me I really like JC and won't argue that he should stay at the club but that is RKs decision in which I trust implicitly for he has more integrity in his little finger than our previous hide behind an interpreter until i jump ship manager had in his whole body. So the bit I have a problem with your post is the washy washy bit, I have found the transparency of these guys mighty refreshing to say the least. And I suppose you didn't do yourself any favours with your immediate launch into ****?ing about, load of boll?x etc fascia123
  • Score: 2

9:58am Fri 29 Aug 14

TruthTellerTomIV says...

StopMoaningPeople wrote:
TruthTellerTomIV wrote:
Biggest waste of money in the Premiership ever. At least Liverpool got some money back for Carroll, this boy has no technique, we need to sign players ASAP like Cattermole or go all out and get Lovren back
We could make a move for Navas- heard he's unsettled at city due to potentially being left out of the Champions League squad... even if it's just on loan?
Exactly, we've lost 3 world class players in Lovren, Shaw and Lallana (Thank God we got rid of Lambert though he was useless).

Navas would be perfect. Navas, Lovren, Cattermole, Rooney and Aubamenyang. These are the types of players we should be targeting. ONLY TOP TALENT PLEASE DONALD HOEMAN.
[quote][p][bold]StopMoaningPeople[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TruthTellerTomIV[/bold] wrote: Biggest waste of money in the Premiership ever. At least Liverpool got some money back for Carroll, this boy has no technique, we need to sign players ASAP like Cattermole or go all out and get Lovren back[/p][/quote]We could make a move for Navas- heard he's unsettled at city due to potentially being left out of the Champions League squad... even if it's just on loan?[/p][/quote]Exactly, we've lost 3 world class players in Lovren, Shaw and Lallana (Thank God we got rid of Lambert though he was useless). Navas would be perfect. Navas, Lovren, Cattermole, Rooney and Aubamenyang. These are the types of players we should be targeting. ONLY TOP TALENT PLEASE DONALD HOEMAN. TruthTellerTomIV
  • Score: -25

10:00am Fri 29 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

jls217 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
SaintPC - Not so Clever Dick.
Here is a prime example of what I mean. Posted even before I had finished my reply to your thoughtful post

I think clever dick must be Jack's Mum or maybe his agent even. Either way it seems to be clouding his faculties somewhat.
You think wrong. JC was our player of the season 2 seasons ago and won an award last season as well. It's quite simply a no brainer that he should be given a new contract. If RK need to see what he can do just get him to sit in front of a TV screen and play back all of last year's games in which Jack played. In addition to that he has just got on with the job this season as well. There have been no public outbursts, no tantrums and no throwing toys out of the pram. For us he has been a model proffessional and doesn't deserve to be treated in this way.
If you had read my posts on the subject you'd see you are preaching to the converted mate - I really rate JC. BUT and here's the rub it's not me (the total amateur) he has to convince it's the Rambros and team (the total pros)
In the interview he was very clear that there is a new Sheriff in town and every player starts at zero, clearly Rambros and team have not seen enough in JC yet to convince them to sign him long term, it's up to Jack to continue going about his business in the right way to show them he is good enough - Don't see how anyone can be fairer than that - just why you gone off on a personal trajectory about it all I don't know. I agree with your point of view, I just don't agree with how you've responded to it especially as the Rambros have sort of said they agree with you and like the way JC has applied himself, is it enough to get a contract? - don't know yet and neither do you.
No and as I have said in previous posts it simply doesn't make an ounce of sense to let this player's contract just expire. Even if the club don't like what they see it still makes sense to have him under contract so that his value increases. There seem to be plenty of other clubs interested if the rumours are correct.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]SaintPC - Not so Clever Dick. Here is a prime example of what I mean. Posted even before I had finished my reply to your thoughtful post I think clever dick must be Jack's Mum or maybe his agent even. Either way it seems to be clouding his faculties somewhat.[/p][/quote]You think wrong. JC was our player of the season 2 seasons ago and won an award last season as well. It's quite simply a no brainer that he should be given a new contract. If RK need to see what he can do just get him to sit in front of a TV screen and play back all of last year's games in which Jack played. In addition to that he has just got on with the job this season as well. There have been no public outbursts, no tantrums and no throwing toys out of the pram. For us he has been a model proffessional and doesn't deserve to be treated in this way.[/p][/quote]If you had read my posts on the subject you'd see you are preaching to the converted mate - I really rate JC. BUT and here's the rub it's not me (the total amateur) he has to convince it's the Rambros and team (the total pros) In the interview he was very clear that there is a new Sheriff in town and every player starts at zero, clearly Rambros and team have not seen enough in JC yet to convince them to sign him long term, it's up to Jack to continue going about his business in the right way to show them he is good enough - Don't see how anyone can be fairer than that - just why you gone off on a personal trajectory about it all I don't know. I agree with your point of view, I just don't agree with how you've responded to it especially as the Rambros have sort of said they agree with you and like the way JC has applied himself, is it enough to get a contract? - don't know yet and neither do you.[/p][/quote]No and as I have said in previous posts it simply doesn't make an ounce of sense to let this player's contract just expire. Even if the club don't like what they see it still makes sense to have him under contract so that his value increases. There seem to be plenty of other clubs interested if the rumours are correct. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

10:01am Fri 29 Aug 14

TruthTellerTomIV says...

Clever Dick wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
SaintPC - Not so Clever Dick.
Here is a prime example of what I mean. Posted even before I had finished my reply to your thoughtful post

I think clever dick must be Jack's Mum or maybe his agent even. Either way it seems to be clouding his faculties somewhat.
You think wrong. JC was our player of the season 2 seasons ago and won an award last season as well. It's quite simply a no brainer that he should be given a new contract. If RK need to see what he can do just get him to sit in front of a TV screen and play back all of last year's games in which Jack played. In addition to that he has just got on with the job this season as well. There have been no public outbursts, no tantrums and no throwing toys out of the pram. For us he has been a model proffessional and doesn't deserve to be treated in this way.
If you had read my posts on the subject you'd see you are preaching to the converted mate - I really rate JC. BUT and here's the rub it's not me (the total amateur) he has to convince it's the Rambros and team (the total pros)
In the interview he was very clear that there is a new Sheriff in town and every player starts at zero, clearly Rambros and team have not seen enough in JC yet to convince them to sign him long term, it's up to Jack to continue going about his business in the right way to show them he is good enough - Don't see how anyone can be fairer than that - just why you gone off on a personal trajectory about it all I don't know. I agree with your point of view, I just don't agree with how you've responded to it especially as the Rambros have sort of said they agree with you and like the way JC has applied himself, is it enough to get a contract? - don't know yet and neither do you.
No and as I have said in previous posts it simply doesn't make an ounce of sense to let this player's contract just expire. Even if the club don't like what they see it still makes sense to have him under contract so that his value increases. There seem to be plenty of other clubs interested if the rumours are correct.
I personally don't think Jack Cork is very good. We have better wingers at the club like Loid Isgrofe
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]SaintPC - Not so Clever Dick. Here is a prime example of what I mean. Posted even before I had finished my reply to your thoughtful post I think clever dick must be Jack's Mum or maybe his agent even. Either way it seems to be clouding his faculties somewhat.[/p][/quote]You think wrong. JC was our player of the season 2 seasons ago and won an award last season as well. It's quite simply a no brainer that he should be given a new contract. If RK need to see what he can do just get him to sit in front of a TV screen and play back all of last year's games in which Jack played. In addition to that he has just got on with the job this season as well. There have been no public outbursts, no tantrums and no throwing toys out of the pram. For us he has been a model proffessional and doesn't deserve to be treated in this way.[/p][/quote]If you had read my posts on the subject you'd see you are preaching to the converted mate - I really rate JC. BUT and here's the rub it's not me (the total amateur) he has to convince it's the Rambros and team (the total pros) In the interview he was very clear that there is a new Sheriff in town and every player starts at zero, clearly Rambros and team have not seen enough in JC yet to convince them to sign him long term, it's up to Jack to continue going about his business in the right way to show them he is good enough - Don't see how anyone can be fairer than that - just why you gone off on a personal trajectory about it all I don't know. I agree with your point of view, I just don't agree with how you've responded to it especially as the Rambros have sort of said they agree with you and like the way JC has applied himself, is it enough to get a contract? - don't know yet and neither do you.[/p][/quote]No and as I have said in previous posts it simply doesn't make an ounce of sense to let this player's contract just expire. Even if the club don't like what they see it still makes sense to have him under contract so that his value increases. There seem to be plenty of other clubs interested if the rumours are correct.[/p][/quote]I personally don't think Jack Cork is very good. We have better wingers at the club like Loid Isgrofe TruthTellerTomIV
  • Score: -20

10:04am Fri 29 Aug 14

milton road says...

The problem is that Jack is seen as back up for Morgan and Vic, they are both at this time as under Poch first choice. Jack has to a degree alter his game to become a first choice midfield player, I think Jack wants first team football and will go if he dies not manage to get at the end of the season. I think he seemed to play more forward than normal against Millwall and gave us an energy we lacked the first half. That is just my opinion.

In relation to Gaston I have often said that Ramirez was not worth the money paid. He has everything in his locker to be one of the best players in the world, but he has to want it and often he has drifted between sheer brilliance and total obscurity in games. Maybe its playing him in a position where he is involved. I remember Matt Le Tiss, if he was wide during a game he seemed to drift our, give him a free role and he was always involved and dangerous. If Ron does that with Gaston, then he may well bring the best out of him and we may get a good season out of him. again just my opinion. Adkins probably got more out of him than Poch and in his early days he was definitely a plus, yet under Poch he definitely faded for whatever reason.
The problem is that Jack is seen as back up for Morgan and Vic, they are both at this time as under Poch first choice. Jack has to a degree alter his game to become a first choice midfield player, I think Jack wants first team football and will go if he dies not manage to get at the end of the season. I think he seemed to play more forward than normal against Millwall and gave us an energy we lacked the first half. That is just my opinion. In relation to Gaston I have often said that Ramirez was not worth the money paid. He has everything in his locker to be one of the best players in the world, but he has to want it and often he has drifted between sheer brilliance and total obscurity in games. Maybe its playing him in a position where he is involved. I remember Matt Le Tiss, if he was wide during a game he seemed to drift our, give him a free role and he was always involved and dangerous. If Ron does that with Gaston, then he may well bring the best out of him and we may get a good season out of him. again just my opinion. Adkins probably got more out of him than Poch and in his early days he was definitely a plus, yet under Poch he definitely faded for whatever reason. milton road
  • Score: -1

10:04am Fri 29 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
When you say 'yet again' I guess you realise this article is just a cut and paste of the same one from yesterday with a different headline?

The Echo has also been lazy in its wording, which shows how easily the press can put a spin on things even when the facts haven't changed.

This report is based on the same facts about the Toby Alderweireld deal as yesterdays, but today apparently the deal is completely 'dead'.

I don't think Ron ever said that - just that it looked highly unlikely. And that could be simply aimed as a message to our board or the player, so I've not given up hope on that one.

Looks like quite a few clubs are fishing around for the same two or three centre back options. Why this has to happen in the last few days of the window is anybody's guess, although clearly the placement of the summer window means players and clubs don't know what their position is, or whether they have European football for instance, until days before the deadline. It all makes for a lot of rushing around unfortunately.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]When you say 'yet again' I guess you realise this article is just a cut and paste of the same one from yesterday with a different headline? The Echo has also been lazy in its wording, which shows how easily the press can put a spin on things even when the facts haven't changed. This report is based on the same facts about the Toby Alderweireld deal as yesterdays, but today apparently the deal is completely 'dead'. I don't think Ron ever said that - just that it looked highly unlikely. And that could be simply aimed as a message to our board or the player, so I've not given up hope on that one. Looks like quite a few clubs are fishing around for the same two or three centre back options. Why this has to happen in the last few days of the window is anybody's guess, although clearly the placement of the summer window means players and clubs don't know what their position is, or whether they have European football for instance, until days before the deadline. It all makes for a lot of rushing around unfortunately. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

10:11am Fri 29 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

jls217 wrote:
StopMoaningPeople wrote:
I think he is wRONg about Gaston and we need to get rid ASAP!! Not suited to the english game I'm afraid.
You may end up being proved right mate only time will tell. I'd like to see him given a greater chance to prove/adapt than he's had so far. He's been here a little while now but don't forget the injury he picked up and then made worse when he came back (maybe too soon, trying to prove himself worthy of a place) That was a bloody horrible injury - when I saw it I thought he'd smashed the ankle for sure. That sort of injury can last for years niggling away every time you feel confident about it and for sure that's an injury that will catch up with him by the time he's 35-40 - he will for sure never forget that tackle. I can only hope you're wrong but concede you could just be right.
Think that hits the nail on the head and Ron's assessment is great, but it all relies on Gaston getting a run without picking up little knocks. If he can't manage that, he'll never fire.

His other slight problem is going to be battling for his place because, like Cork, he's competing for a place against Tadic (can't see us playing both). That's going to be a tough ask.

So he basically needs to show more fitness and more fight than he has so far. It's clear the guy has quality and technique (regardless of that odd, suspicious post from someone above).
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopMoaningPeople[/bold] wrote: I think he is wRONg about Gaston and we need to get rid ASAP!! Not suited to the english game I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]You may end up being proved right mate only time will tell. I'd like to see him given a greater chance to prove/adapt than he's had so far. He's been here a little while now but don't forget the injury he picked up and then made worse when he came back (maybe too soon, trying to prove himself worthy of a place) That was a bloody horrible injury - when I saw it I thought he'd smashed the ankle for sure. That sort of injury can last for years niggling away every time you feel confident about it and for sure that's an injury that will catch up with him by the time he's 35-40 - he will for sure never forget that tackle. I can only hope you're wrong but concede you could just be right.[/p][/quote]Think that hits the nail on the head and Ron's assessment is great, but it all relies on Gaston getting a run without picking up little knocks. If he can't manage that, he'll never fire. His other slight problem is going to be battling for his place because, like Cork, he's competing for a place against Tadic (can't see us playing both). That's going to be a tough ask. So he basically needs to show more fitness and more fight than he has so far. It's clear the guy has quality and technique (regardless of that odd, suspicious post from someone above). SaintJD
  • Score: 6

10:12am Fri 29 Aug 14

torbay george says...

i remember Gaston's debut against Aston Villa in 2013. He was given real freedom that afternoon by Nigel and responded beautifully. His sublime little chip ball for Clyne to run on to and score was amazing. He dropped deep sometimes to pick up the ball and strode forward looking for runs and openings. He is very capable in that role. He went off after 70 minutes with the ground singing his name. we want more of that!!!
i remember Gaston's debut against Aston Villa in 2013. He was given real freedom that afternoon by Nigel and responded beautifully. His sublime little chip ball for Clyne to run on to and score was amazing. He dropped deep sometimes to pick up the ball and strode forward looking for runs and openings. He is very capable in that role. He went off after 70 minutes with the ground singing his name. we want more of that!!! torbay george
  • Score: 11

10:21am Fri 29 Aug 14

george chivers says...

InsideOutCat wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites.

I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club.

Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans.

COYR!
As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct.

Have you managed a professional football club?

Have you played professional football?

Have you worked at board level for a professional football club?

Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club?

You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club.

Where did you get that knowledge from?

For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC

Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club.

That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.
George, how many of your own questions can you answer YES to? Try reading the man's post properly before throwing a playground tantrum and illustrating exactly what SaintPC is complaining about. Nobody's saying that it's wrong to feel that you are an "emotional shareholder", or stakeholder at least, in the club but those emotions aren't necessarily the most stable or reliable foundation when it comes to suggesting what's best for the club.
I can't answer yes to any of those questions. But there is an implicit assumption his post that he can. And I was asking the question how can he do that? What is his knowledge base?

My position is simple.

I belief this close season has been a disaster for our club. And what makes that worse for me is I thought it would happen back in January and said so on here.

I think we have cashed in players so that replacements can be bought in at cheaper prices. So far we have sold £92M worth of players and bought in players worth £42M. I think that has been done so the owner can recoup over spend from the Cortese days and pay back loans to herself.
Nothing wrong with that. It's her money and her club. But if that is the case why can't she tell us that. And if that isn't the case why can't she tell us what the strategy is in terms of replacing players who leave the club. RK promised us greatly improved communication, we haven't got it.

Communication has increased but at best it has been ambiguous.

I think as fans (customers) we are owed a statement of direction from the owner saying where the club is going. This season and what the objectives are for the next 5 years. As we had from Cortese.

If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there. Currently we have nothing. The owner, the management, the players and the fans are in this together. But as far as I am concerned, in terms of the fans there is no leadership. And that is what is annoying me. I feel like I am being conned and misled.

I would like to know what our points target is this season and the following season. Are we interested in continuous improvement or just an ongoing mid-table position. Do we want to win the FA Cup? Be in the Europa Cup? All those things are not clear. And I think they should be clear. And I will continue to criticise the club until they are.

But, I will be, as always STID.
[quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites. I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club. Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans. COYR![/p][/quote]As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct. Have you managed a professional football club? Have you played professional football? Have you worked at board level for a professional football club? Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club? You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club. Where did you get that knowledge from? For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club. That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.[/p][/quote]George, how many of your own questions can you answer YES to? Try reading the man's post properly before throwing a playground tantrum and illustrating exactly what SaintPC is complaining about. Nobody's saying that it's wrong to feel that you are an "emotional shareholder", or stakeholder at least, in the club but those emotions aren't necessarily the most stable or reliable foundation when it comes to suggesting what's best for the club.[/p][/quote]I can't answer yes to any of those questions. But there is an implicit assumption his post that he can. And I was asking the question how can he do that? What is his knowledge base? My position is simple. I belief this close season has been a disaster for our club. And what makes that worse for me is I thought it would happen back in January and said so on here. I think we have cashed in players so that replacements can be bought in at cheaper prices. So far we have sold £92M worth of players and bought in players worth £42M. I think that has been done so the owner can recoup over spend from the Cortese days and pay back loans to herself. Nothing wrong with that. It's her money and her club. But if that is the case why can't she tell us that. And if that isn't the case why can't she tell us what the strategy is in terms of replacing players who leave the club. RK promised us greatly improved communication, we haven't got it. Communication has increased but at best it has been ambiguous. I think as fans (customers) we are owed a statement of direction from the owner saying where the club is going. This season and what the objectives are for the next 5 years. As we had from Cortese. If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there. Currently we have nothing. The owner, the management, the players and the fans are in this together. But as far as I am concerned, in terms of the fans there is no leadership. And that is what is annoying me. I feel like I am being conned and misled. I would like to know what our points target is this season and the following season. Are we interested in continuous improvement or just an ongoing mid-table position. Do we want to win the FA Cup? Be in the Europa Cup? All those things are not clear. And I think they should be clear. And I will continue to criticise the club until they are. But, I will be, as always STID. george chivers
  • Score: -7

10:24am Fri 29 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

saint phil wrote:
O,DEAR its going tits up
Don't worry, Stoke are Premier League, you can't expect to compete against quality that's three leagues better and everyone knew you'd get humiliated. Keep the faith.
[quote][p][bold]saint phil[/bold] wrote: O,DEAR its going tits up[/p][/quote]Don't worry, Stoke are Premier League, you can't expect to compete against quality that's three leagues better and everyone knew you'd get humiliated. Keep the faith. SaintJD
  • Score: 4

10:27am Fri 29 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Out of interest, hidden in this story (well it isn't hidden actually) I'm sure Ron says he doesn't plan to sell any further members of his squad. Or did I misread that? I'm sure he said the squad was thin and he wanted to bring players in, not lose them.
Out of interest, hidden in this story (well it isn't hidden actually) I'm sure Ron says he doesn't plan to sell any further members of his squad. Or did I misread that? I'm sure he said the squad was thin and he wanted to bring players in, not lose them. SaintJD
  • Score: 12

10:28am Fri 29 Aug 14

StopMoaningPeople says...

SaintJD wrote:
jls217 wrote:
StopMoaningPeople wrote:
I think he is wRONg about Gaston and we need to get rid ASAP!! Not suited to the english game I'm afraid.
You may end up being proved right mate only time will tell. I'd like to see him given a greater chance to prove/adapt than he's had so far. He's been here a little while now but don't forget the injury he picked up and then made worse when he came back (maybe too soon, trying to prove himself worthy of a place) That was a bloody horrible injury - when I saw it I thought he'd smashed the ankle for sure. That sort of injury can last for years niggling away every time you feel confident about it and for sure that's an injury that will catch up with him by the time he's 35-40 - he will for sure never forget that tackle. I can only hope you're wrong but concede you could just be right.
Think that hits the nail on the head and Ron's assessment is great, but it all relies on Gaston getting a run without picking up little knocks. If he can't manage that, he'll never fire.

His other slight problem is going to be battling for his place because, like Cork, he's competing for a place against Tadic (can't see us playing both). That's going to be a tough ask.

So he basically needs to show more fitness and more fight than he has so far. It's clear the guy has quality and technique (regardless of that odd, suspicious post from someone above).
He's just lazy, which is why he's not suited to the english game. It happens a lot with spanish players.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopMoaningPeople[/bold] wrote: I think he is wRONg about Gaston and we need to get rid ASAP!! Not suited to the english game I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]You may end up being proved right mate only time will tell. I'd like to see him given a greater chance to prove/adapt than he's had so far. He's been here a little while now but don't forget the injury he picked up and then made worse when he came back (maybe too soon, trying to prove himself worthy of a place) That was a bloody horrible injury - when I saw it I thought he'd smashed the ankle for sure. That sort of injury can last for years niggling away every time you feel confident about it and for sure that's an injury that will catch up with him by the time he's 35-40 - he will for sure never forget that tackle. I can only hope you're wrong but concede you could just be right.[/p][/quote]Think that hits the nail on the head and Ron's assessment is great, but it all relies on Gaston getting a run without picking up little knocks. If he can't manage that, he'll never fire. His other slight problem is going to be battling for his place because, like Cork, he's competing for a place against Tadic (can't see us playing both). That's going to be a tough ask. So he basically needs to show more fitness and more fight than he has so far. It's clear the guy has quality and technique (regardless of that odd, suspicious post from someone above).[/p][/quote]He's just lazy, which is why he's not suited to the english game. It happens a lot with spanish players. StopMoaningPeople
  • Score: -9

10:40am Fri 29 Aug 14

CB FRY LIVES says...

Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES. CB FRY LIVES
  • Score: 1

10:40am Fri 29 Aug 14

Costa Baz says...

IMO, Gaston should be given a run of games, in the number 10 position, where his ability to run with the ball, beat people and pick out decent through balls would improve us as an attacking force.
Too often, in the past, he's been sent on as a wide player, where he gets shut out of a game.

Ref Jack Cork, he has surprised me as to how good a player he has become, at this level. I can only imagine it is his lack of pace that sees others preferred over him. Certainly worth keeping.
IMO, Gaston should be given a run of games, in the number 10 position, where his ability to run with the ball, beat people and pick out decent through balls would improve us as an attacking force. Too often, in the past, he's been sent on as a wide player, where he gets shut out of a game. Ref Jack Cork, he has surprised me as to how good a player he has become, at this level. I can only imagine it is his lack of pace that sees others preferred over him. Certainly worth keeping. Costa Baz
  • Score: 8

10:41am Fri 29 Aug 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

It seems to me that Cork is only be kept at Saints as cover for right back. I think he is one of our best central midfielders at the moment so he should be playing regularly. He controls the midfield better than Morgan does in my view. I can only assume that he isn't agreeing to a new contract so we are looking to offload him rather than lose him for free.
It seems to me that Cork is only be kept at Saints as cover for right back. I think he is one of our best central midfielders at the moment so he should be playing regularly. He controls the midfield better than Morgan does in my view. I can only assume that he isn't agreeing to a new contract so we are looking to offload him rather than lose him for free. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: -6

10:43am Fri 29 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

So the gossip is now we are looking to sign a Stoke reject....

http://www.stokesent
inel.co.uk/Stoke-Cit
y-transfer-gossip-So
uthampton-Brek-Shea/
story-22847745-detai
l/story.html
So the gossip is now we are looking to sign a Stoke reject.... http://www.stokesent inel.co.uk/Stoke-Cit y-transfer-gossip-So uthampton-Brek-Shea/ story-22847745-detai l/story.html KiwiSaint74
  • Score: -5

10:57am Fri 29 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
So the gossip is now we are looking to sign a Stoke reject....

http://www.stokesent

inel.co.uk/Stoke-Cit

y-transfer-gossip-So

uthampton-Brek-Shea/

story-22847745-detai

l/story.html
Don't feed them Kiwi, please. Thanks for the link, but you've probably just woken up a whole new batch of spanners to give us their valuable opinions on our recruitment team (based purely on speculation obviously).
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: So the gossip is now we are looking to sign a Stoke reject.... http://www.stokesent inel.co.uk/Stoke-Cit y-transfer-gossip-So uthampton-Brek-Shea/ story-22847745-detai l/story.html[/p][/quote]Don't feed them Kiwi, please. Thanks for the link, but you've probably just woken up a whole new batch of spanners to give us their valuable opinions on our recruitment team (based purely on speculation obviously). SaintJD
  • Score: -4

11:01am Fri 29 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Not my intention to stir up a hornets nest, lol I am refreshing the transfers page like every 3 seconds hoping to see a signing!
Not my intention to stir up a hornets nest, lol I am refreshing the transfers page like every 3 seconds hoping to see a signing! KiwiSaint74
  • Score: -2

11:04am Fri 29 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
It seems to me that Cork is only be kept at Saints as cover for right back. I think he is one of our best central midfielders at the moment so he should be playing regularly. He controls the midfield better than Morgan does in my view. I can only assume that he isn't agreeing to a new contract so we are looking to offload him rather than lose him for free.
We haven't offered him one, according to the club yesterday (Ron actually). But there has to be more to it. Conversations must have taken place and, just a total guess, but I think he's probably said he won't sign anything unless he gets a guarantee of regular football. He's in his last year and probably isn't in any rush to sign, so it suits him to take advantage of us letting the deal run down to this point. The previous regime is as much to blame for letting that happen as anyone else.
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: It seems to me that Cork is only be kept at Saints as cover for right back. I think he is one of our best central midfielders at the moment so he should be playing regularly. He controls the midfield better than Morgan does in my view. I can only assume that he isn't agreeing to a new contract so we are looking to offload him rather than lose him for free.[/p][/quote]We haven't offered him one, according to the club yesterday (Ron actually). But there has to be more to it. Conversations must have taken place and, just a total guess, but I think he's probably said he won't sign anything unless he gets a guarantee of regular football. He's in his last year and probably isn't in any rush to sign, so it suits him to take advantage of us letting the deal run down to this point. The previous regime is as much to blame for letting that happen as anyone else. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

11:11am Fri 29 Aug 14

bbb001 says...

I am really liking the honest answers comming from RK. Once Gaston realises its up to him to prove his worth to the manager and his team mates then he might finally be the player we all hoped he would be.

As for Jack Cork, he deserves a new contract if only for the fact he can come in for Spider, Wanyama and Clyne. He proved his value to the team last season when Wanyama was injured.
I am really liking the honest answers comming from RK. Once Gaston realises its up to him to prove his worth to the manager and his team mates then he might finally be the player we all hoped he would be. As for Jack Cork, he deserves a new contract if only for the fact he can come in for Spider, Wanyama and Clyne. He proved his value to the team last season when Wanyama was injured. bbb001
  • Score: 5

11:16am Fri 29 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Not my intention to stir up a hornets nest, lol I am refreshing the transfers page like every 3 seconds hoping to see a signing!
I wouldn't say hornets nest, more like crane flies aimlessly flying around banging into things, having a couple of seconds rest and then doing exactly the same thing again with no apparent purpose.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: Not my intention to stir up a hornets nest, lol I am refreshing the transfers page like every 3 seconds hoping to see a signing![/p][/quote]I wouldn't say hornets nest, more like crane flies aimlessly flying around banging into things, having a couple of seconds rest and then doing exactly the same thing again with no apparent purpose. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

11:19am Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

TruthTellerTomIV wrote:
StopMoaningPeople wrote:
TruthTellerTomIV wrote:
Biggest waste of money in the Premiership ever. At least Liverpool got some money back for Carroll, this boy has no technique, we need to sign players ASAP like Cattermole or go all out and get Lovren back
We could make a move for Navas- heard he's unsettled at city due to potentially being left out of the Champions League squad... even if it's just on loan?
Exactly, we've lost 3 world class players in Lovren, Shaw and Lallana (Thank God we got rid of Lambert though he was useless).

Navas would be perfect. Navas, Lovren, Cattermole, Rooney and Aubamenyang. These are the types of players we should be targeting. ONLY TOP TALENT PLEASE DONALD HOEMAN.
Truth teller tom now eh!? If you're going to use multi ID's you're going to have be a little smarter than than. Same old drivel from the same old twisted mind set no matter what you call yourself you are a Troll. Go back and see if you can attract someone to your website. But thank you for your input nevertheless. We try to be polite in Sarfamton no matter how much of a buffoon you are.
[quote][p][bold]TruthTellerTomIV[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopMoaningPeople[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TruthTellerTomIV[/bold] wrote: Biggest waste of money in the Premiership ever. At least Liverpool got some money back for Carroll, this boy has no technique, we need to sign players ASAP like Cattermole or go all out and get Lovren back[/p][/quote]We could make a move for Navas- heard he's unsettled at city due to potentially being left out of the Champions League squad... even if it's just on loan?[/p][/quote]Exactly, we've lost 3 world class players in Lovren, Shaw and Lallana (Thank God we got rid of Lambert though he was useless). Navas would be perfect. Navas, Lovren, Cattermole, Rooney and Aubamenyang. These are the types of players we should be targeting. ONLY TOP TALENT PLEASE DONALD HOEMAN.[/p][/quote]Truth teller tom now eh!? If you're going to use multi ID's you're going to have be a little smarter than than. Same old drivel from the same old twisted mind set no matter what you call yourself you are a Troll. Go back and see if you can attract someone to your website. But thank you for your input nevertheless. We try to be polite in Sarfamton no matter how much of a buffoon you are. jls217
  • Score: 5

11:21am Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.[/p][/quote]You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion. The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them? I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe. fascia123
  • Score: 1

11:22am Fri 29 Aug 14

SaintPC says...

george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites.

I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club.

Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans.

COYR!
As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct.

Have you managed a professional football club?

Have you played professional football?

Have you worked at board level for a professional football club?

Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club?

You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club.

Where did you get that knowledge from?

For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC

Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club.

That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.
Interesting post, it seems I may have struck a nerve with you?

Firstly, I never said you were wrong or had ill-informed nonsense, I said a lot of posters on here do, not singling anyone out - you have drawn your own conclusion about that being in reference to you.

Secondly, you are asking me to put you right, and yet you havent actually given any opinion in your post that I might either agree or disagree with, which makes it difficult for me to comment on.

No-one is saying that you shouldnt have opinions as a supporter, or that mine (or anyone else's for that matter) are more important than yours.

You can assume from my answer that most of the questions you asked can be answered with a "no", the fact you felt it necessary to ask them would probably say more about you than my ability to answer them with a "yes" says about me.

What I am saying is that there is a lot of posters on here who do not even have a rudimentary understanding of business, let alone football club management. I don't need to have managed a football team to know the fundamentals of business and contractual negotiations, and to know that things are not as straight forward as simply "going out and getting players", each negotiation is multifaceted, some we will conclude and others wont work out, and some will take until the last day of the transfer window because of all of the other variables moving behind the scenes.

I applaud your longevity in supporting Saints, I respect your opinion and am not interested in changing your posts, I just hope they are based on a sound reasoning rather than just a rant.

COYR
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites. I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club. Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans. COYR![/p][/quote]As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct. Have you managed a professional football club? Have you played professional football? Have you worked at board level for a professional football club? Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club? You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club. Where did you get that knowledge from? For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club. That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.[/p][/quote]Interesting post, it seems I may have struck a nerve with you? Firstly, I never said you were wrong or had ill-informed nonsense, I said a lot of posters on here do, not singling anyone out - you have drawn your own conclusion about that being in reference to you. Secondly, you are asking me to put you right, and yet you havent actually given any opinion in your post that I might either agree or disagree with, which makes it difficult for me to comment on. No-one is saying that you shouldnt have opinions as a supporter, or that mine (or anyone else's for that matter) are more important than yours. You can assume from my answer that most of the questions you asked can be answered with a "no", the fact you felt it necessary to ask them would probably say more about you than my ability to answer them with a "yes" says about me. What I am saying is that there is a lot of posters on here who do not even have a rudimentary understanding of business, let alone football club management. I don't need to have managed a football team to know the fundamentals of business and contractual negotiations, and to know that things are not as straight forward as simply "going out and getting players", each negotiation is multifaceted, some we will conclude and others wont work out, and some will take until the last day of the transfer window because of all of the other variables moving behind the scenes. I applaud your longevity in supporting Saints, I respect your opinion and am not interested in changing your posts, I just hope they are based on a sound reasoning rather than just a rant. COYR SaintPC
  • Score: 9

11:26am Fri 29 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

I'm not trying to sound sarcastic when I ask this, but what makes Cork such a fan favorite? I have to say that I haven't seen him play a lot.
I'm not trying to sound sarcastic when I ask this, but what makes Cork such a fan favorite? I have to say that I haven't seen him play a lot. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: -5

11:28am Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

fascia123 wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
Oh and you mention Turkey's brought to the club by Les Reed, I think they may of been identified by the manager at the time and are you going to tell me that he would of sanctioned them above NC, I don't think you could use the sh!thouse in. NCs day without his rubber stamp.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.[/p][/quote]You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion. The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them? I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.[/p][/quote]Oh and you mention Turkey's brought to the club by Les Reed, I think they may of been identified by the manager at the time and are you going to tell me that he would of sanctioned them above NC, I don't think you could use the sh!thouse in. NCs day without his rubber stamp. fascia123
  • Score: -3

11:32am Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

jls217 wrote:
TruthTellerTomIV wrote:
StopMoaningPeople wrote:
TruthTellerTomIV wrote:
Biggest waste of money in the Premiership ever. At least Liverpool got some money back for Carroll, this boy has no technique, we need to sign players ASAP like Cattermole or go all out and get Lovren back
We could make a move for Navas- heard he's unsettled at city due to potentially being left out of the Champions League squad... even if it's just on loan?
Exactly, we've lost 3 world class players in Lovren, Shaw and Lallana (Thank God we got rid of Lambert though he was useless).

Navas would be perfect. Navas, Lovren, Cattermole, Rooney and Aubamenyang. These are the types of players we should be targeting. ONLY TOP TALENT PLEASE DONALD HOEMAN.
Truth teller tom now eh!? If you're going to use multi ID's you're going to have be a little smarter than than. Same old drivel from the same old twisted mind set no matter what you call yourself you are a Troll. Go back and see if you can attract someone to your website. But thank you for your input nevertheless. We try to be polite in Sarfamton no matter how much of a buffoon you are.
Not coffee in Spain again?
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TruthTellerTomIV[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopMoaningPeople[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TruthTellerTomIV[/bold] wrote: Biggest waste of money in the Premiership ever. At least Liverpool got some money back for Carroll, this boy has no technique, we need to sign players ASAP like Cattermole or go all out and get Lovren back[/p][/quote]We could make a move for Navas- heard he's unsettled at city due to potentially being left out of the Champions League squad... even if it's just on loan?[/p][/quote]Exactly, we've lost 3 world class players in Lovren, Shaw and Lallana (Thank God we got rid of Lambert though he was useless). Navas would be perfect. Navas, Lovren, Cattermole, Rooney and Aubamenyang. These are the types of players we should be targeting. ONLY TOP TALENT PLEASE DONALD HOEMAN.[/p][/quote]Truth teller tom now eh!? If you're going to use multi ID's you're going to have be a little smarter than than. Same old drivel from the same old twisted mind set no matter what you call yourself you are a Troll. Go back and see if you can attract someone to your website. But thank you for your input nevertheless. We try to be polite in Sarfamton no matter how much of a buffoon you are.[/p][/quote]Not coffee in Spain again? fascia123
  • Score: -3

11:33am Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Nothing wrong with that. It's her money and her club. But if that is the case why can't she tell us that. And if that isn't the case why can't she tell us what the strategy is in terms of replacing players who leave the club. RK promised us greatly improved communication, we haven't got it.

Okay so she phones you up personally and say this is to confirm it's my money and my club and we hope to replace any players leaving with player of equal or better potential and here's my phone nr so you can call me for a chat any time you feel lonely.

Have a word with yourself. It's her money, she owns the club the only person in the world who seems uncertain of that is ..... guess who?
She doesn't need to tell you the players leaving situation. The homeless Romanian sleeping up near the railway lines would be able to trot out the same meaningless corporate blx and bs reply. And if you tried to call her she has enough money to make you disappear into the Solent.
Hope this answers your totally worthwhile and constructive questions.
How long did it take you dream up that nonsensical, smack you in the face as obvious answered drivel. Clear to see you will never own a football club and it's best left to her - we'll sleep better knowing you ain't anywhere near the accelerator.
Nothing wrong with that. It's her money and her club. But if that is the case why can't she tell us that. And if that isn't the case why can't she tell us what the strategy is in terms of replacing players who leave the club. RK promised us greatly improved communication, we haven't got it. Okay so she phones you up personally and say this is to confirm it's my money and my club and we hope to replace any players leaving with player of equal or better potential and here's my phone nr so you can call me for a chat any time you feel lonely. Have a word with yourself. It's her money, she owns the club the only person in the world who seems uncertain of that is ..... guess who? She doesn't need to tell you the players leaving situation. The homeless Romanian sleeping up near the railway lines would be able to trot out the same meaningless corporate blx and bs reply. And if you tried to call her she has enough money to make you disappear into the Solent. Hope this answers your totally worthwhile and constructive questions. How long did it take you dream up that nonsensical, smack you in the face as obvious answered drivel. Clear to see you will never own a football club and it's best left to her - we'll sleep better knowing you ain't anywhere near the accelerator. jls217
  • Score: -3

11:34am Fri 29 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Out of interest - just when did Luke Shaw turn to dining in McDonalds? Was it in celebration of his mega-deal at Man Utd? Can't remember him looking unfit, but a couple of weeks in Rio and the guy seems to have been taking dieting tips from Diego Maradona.

And just how can somebody get unfit while on duty for their national team? Surely Roy needs to take a big look at his methods and what he's letting these guys get away with - seems like it was one long holiday to me.
Out of interest - just when did Luke Shaw turn to dining in McDonalds? Was it in celebration of his mega-deal at Man Utd? Can't remember him looking unfit, but a couple of weeks in Rio and the guy seems to have been taking dieting tips from Diego Maradona. And just how can somebody get unfit while on duty for their national team? Surely Roy needs to take a big look at his methods and what he's letting these guys get away with - seems like it was one long holiday to me. SaintJD
  • Score: 5

11:38am Fri 29 Aug 14

Beer Monster says...

TruthTellerTomIV wrote:
Biggest waste of money in the Premiership ever. At least Liverpool got some money back for Carroll, this boy has no technique, we need to sign players ASAP like Cattermole or go all out and get Lovren back
You've inadvertently made me realise that if we'd signed Andy Carroll THEN I'd be seriously worried about our scouting tactics... thankfully we haven't and we can all keep the faith :-)
[quote][p][bold]TruthTellerTomIV[/bold] wrote: Biggest waste of money in the Premiership ever. At least Liverpool got some money back for Carroll, this boy has no technique, we need to sign players ASAP like Cattermole or go all out and get Lovren back[/p][/quote]You've inadvertently made me realise that if we'd signed Andy Carroll THEN I'd be seriously worried about our scouting tactics... thankfully we haven't and we can all keep the faith :-) Beer Monster
  • Score: 2

11:38am Fri 29 Aug 14

TruthTellerTomIV says...

jls217 wrote:
TruthTellerTomIV wrote:
StopMoaningPeople wrote:
TruthTellerTomIV wrote:
Biggest waste of money in the Premiership ever. At least Liverpool got some money back for Carroll, this boy has no technique, we need to sign players ASAP like Cattermole or go all out and get Lovren back
We could make a move for Navas- heard he's unsettled at city due to potentially being left out of the Champions League squad... even if it's just on loan?
Exactly, we've lost 3 world class players in Lovren, Shaw and Lallana (Thank God we got rid of Lambert though he was useless).

Navas would be perfect. Navas, Lovren, Cattermole, Rooney and Aubamenyang. These are the types of players we should be targeting. ONLY TOP TALENT PLEASE DONALD HOEMAN.
Truth teller tom now eh!? If you're going to use multi ID's you're going to have be a little smarter than than. Same old drivel from the same old twisted mind set no matter what you call yourself you are a Troll. Go back and see if you can attract someone to your website. But thank you for your input nevertheless. We try to be polite in Sarfamton no matter how much of a buffoon you are.
Don't call me a troll I have Body Dismorphic Disorder
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TruthTellerTomIV[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopMoaningPeople[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TruthTellerTomIV[/bold] wrote: Biggest waste of money in the Premiership ever. At least Liverpool got some money back for Carroll, this boy has no technique, we need to sign players ASAP like Cattermole or go all out and get Lovren back[/p][/quote]We could make a move for Navas- heard he's unsettled at city due to potentially being left out of the Champions League squad... even if it's just on loan?[/p][/quote]Exactly, we've lost 3 world class players in Lovren, Shaw and Lallana (Thank God we got rid of Lambert though he was useless). Navas would be perfect. Navas, Lovren, Cattermole, Rooney and Aubamenyang. These are the types of players we should be targeting. ONLY TOP TALENT PLEASE DONALD HOEMAN.[/p][/quote]Truth teller tom now eh!? If you're going to use multi ID's you're going to have be a little smarter than than. Same old drivel from the same old twisted mind set no matter what you call yourself you are a Troll. Go back and see if you can attract someone to your website. But thank you for your input nevertheless. We try to be polite in Sarfamton no matter how much of a buffoon you are.[/p][/quote]Don't call me a troll I have Body Dismorphic Disorder TruthTellerTomIV
  • Score: -10

11:41am Fri 29 Aug 14

TruthTellerTomIV says...

Beer Monster wrote:
TruthTellerTomIV wrote:
Biggest waste of money in the Premiership ever. At least Liverpool got some money back for Carroll, this boy has no technique, we need to sign players ASAP like Cattermole or go all out and get Lovren back
You've inadvertently made me realise that if we'd signed Andy Carroll THEN I'd be seriously worried about our scouting tactics... thankfully we haven't and we can all keep the faith :-)
Carroll would get us top 4 with the additions of Lovren, Navas and Cattermole
[quote][p][bold]Beer Monster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TruthTellerTomIV[/bold] wrote: Biggest waste of money in the Premiership ever. At least Liverpool got some money back for Carroll, this boy has no technique, we need to sign players ASAP like Cattermole or go all out and get Lovren back[/p][/quote]You've inadvertently made me realise that if we'd signed Andy Carroll THEN I'd be seriously worried about our scouting tactics... thankfully we haven't and we can all keep the faith :-)[/p][/quote]Carroll would get us top 4 with the additions of Lovren, Navas and Cattermole TruthTellerTomIV
  • Score: -10

11:52am Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

SaintJD wrote:
Out of interest - just when did Luke Shaw turn to dining in McDonalds? Was it in celebration of his mega-deal at Man Utd? Can't remember him looking unfit, but a couple of weeks in Rio and the guy seems to have been taking dieting tips from Diego Maradona.

And just how can somebody get unfit while on duty for their national team? Surely Roy needs to take a big look at his methods and what he's letting these guys get away with - seems like it was one long holiday to me.
Getting picked for England went to lielannas head, went to Shaws belly, Lovren lost his head in skiverland, what was the previous management team playing at?
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Out of interest - just when did Luke Shaw turn to dining in McDonalds? Was it in celebration of his mega-deal at Man Utd? Can't remember him looking unfit, but a couple of weeks in Rio and the guy seems to have been taking dieting tips from Diego Maradona. And just how can somebody get unfit while on duty for their national team? Surely Roy needs to take a big look at his methods and what he's letting these guys get away with - seems like it was one long holiday to me.[/p][/quote]Getting picked for England went to lielannas head, went to Shaws belly, Lovren lost his head in skiverland, what was the previous management team playing at? fascia123
  • Score: 3

11:52am Fri 29 Aug 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

Brek Shea Latest To Be Linked With St Mary's Move yet another cheap sighning on loan!!!!!! All the transfer money will be spent (whatever)!!!!!
I'm still waiting to see all these top players banging down the door to join us! Mr Chemical Ale Reed is a delusional joke at best! Or a plan liar at worst!P45? There's the door!
Brek Shea Latest To Be Linked With St Mary's Move yet another cheap sighning on loan!!!!!! All the transfer money will be spent (whatever)!!!!! I'm still waiting to see all these top players banging down the door to join us! Mr Chemical Ale Reed is a delusional joke at best! Or a plan liar at worst!P45? There's the door! This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: -11

11:56am Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

jls217 wrote:
Nothing wrong with that. It's her money and her club. But if that is the case why can't she tell us that. And if that isn't the case why can't she tell us what the strategy is in terms of replacing players who leave the club. RK promised us greatly improved communication, we haven't got it.

Okay so she phones you up personally and say this is to confirm it's my money and my club and we hope to replace any players leaving with player of equal or better potential and here's my phone nr so you can call me for a chat any time you feel lonely.

Have a word with yourself. It's her money, she owns the club the only person in the world who seems uncertain of that is ..... guess who?
She doesn't need to tell you the players leaving situation. The homeless Romanian sleeping up near the railway lines would be able to trot out the same meaningless corporate blx and bs reply. And if you tried to call her she has enough money to make you disappear into the Solent.
Hope this answers your totally worthwhile and constructive questions.
How long did it take you dream up that nonsensical, smack you in the face as obvious answered drivel. Clear to see you will never own a football club and it's best left to her - we'll sleep better knowing you ain't anywhere near the accelerator.
Where did that come from Jls?
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Nothing wrong with that. It's her money and her club. But if that is the case why can't she tell us that. And if that isn't the case why can't she tell us what the strategy is in terms of replacing players who leave the club. RK promised us greatly improved communication, we haven't got it. Okay so she phones you up personally and say this is to confirm it's my money and my club and we hope to replace any players leaving with player of equal or better potential and here's my phone nr so you can call me for a chat any time you feel lonely. Have a word with yourself. It's her money, she owns the club the only person in the world who seems uncertain of that is ..... guess who? She doesn't need to tell you the players leaving situation. The homeless Romanian sleeping up near the railway lines would be able to trot out the same meaningless corporate blx and bs reply. And if you tried to call her she has enough money to make you disappear into the Solent. Hope this answers your totally worthwhile and constructive questions. How long did it take you dream up that nonsensical, smack you in the face as obvious answered drivel. Clear to see you will never own a football club and it's best left to her - we'll sleep better knowing you ain't anywhere near the accelerator.[/p][/quote]Where did that come from Jls? fascia123
  • Score: -3

12:01pm Fri 29 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

If 95% of us fans think that JC is a great asset to us why can't Koeman?
I know that Cork would start most games for team around our level and the fact that this contract is being delayed tells me there could be more than a football reason.
A new manager will always play his own signings, often ignoring the talent that is already there, which is what RK is doing... so much for everyone starting on zero!

As for Gaston, he is at the last chance saloon, if he gets an extended run and fails to produce.... we end up with another huge loss.
If he turns it around, he gets his move in January.
It's catch 22 for Saints.
If 95% of us fans think that JC is a great asset to us why can't Koeman? I know that Cork would start most games for team around our level and the fact that this contract is being delayed tells me there could be more than a football reason. A new manager will always play his own signings, often ignoring the talent that is already there, which is what RK is doing... so much for everyone starting on zero! As for Gaston, he is at the last chance saloon, if he gets an extended run and fails to produce.... we end up with another huge loss. If he turns it around, he gets his move in January. It's catch 22 for Saints. costa gaz
  • Score: -5

12:06pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites.

I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club.

Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans.

COYR!
As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct.

Have you managed a professional football club?

Have you played professional football?

Have you worked at board level for a professional football club?

Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club?

You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club.

Where did you get that knowledge from?

For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC

Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club.

That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.
Well said George,opinions are to be debated,not slated, if its an opinion,who's to say who is right or wrong,till it has been disproven,or debated to a consensus.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites. I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club. Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans. COYR![/p][/quote]As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct. Have you managed a professional football club? Have you played professional football? Have you worked at board level for a professional football club? Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club? You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club. Where did you get that knowledge from? For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club. That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.[/p][/quote]Well said George,opinions are to be debated,not slated, if its an opinion,who's to say who is right or wrong,till it has been disproven,or debated to a consensus. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -3

12:10pm Fri 29 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Can everyone lay off CLEVER DICK please. He may have said things you don't like, to be fair I wasn't keen on the wishy washy bit, but he a saints fan and usually one of the good guys. I think like everyone else he is surprised that Jack cork hasn't been offered a new contract yet.
Yet, is the important word though isn't it. I feel the problem is that after the summer we have had people are too quick to judge and criticize the club, and I think clever dick and others, and I'm not having a go here, have fallen into that way of posting. Look at the 'jack cork to be sold to palace' story yesterday, many were straight on here venting their anger that he was going to be sold before they knew the whole story, and before Ronnie press conference where he cleared the situation up. The same thing happened with the Gaston loan rumour.
So come on lets stop the name calling please, it gives nothing to the debate! But can we also stop the slating of the board/manager before the acts are known.
My take on Jack cork, for what its worth, is that Ronnie is pushing him to show what he can do, I think he will be offered a contract but Ronnie wants to see how he reacts to the challenge. There is nothing wrong with that because Ronnie hast be sure. Its not treating cork badly, as cork is still being paid to do his job and if he proves to Ronnie that he is a valuable member of the squad he will be offered a new deal, if not then he will go. Its got nothing to do with what us fans think, its Ronnie choice.
Can everyone lay off CLEVER DICK please. He may have said things you don't like, to be fair I wasn't keen on the wishy washy bit, but he a saints fan and usually one of the good guys. I think like everyone else he is surprised that Jack cork hasn't been offered a new contract yet. Yet, is the important word though isn't it. I feel the problem is that after the summer we have had people are too quick to judge and criticize the club, and I think clever dick and others, and I'm not having a go here, have fallen into that way of posting. Look at the 'jack cork to be sold to palace' story yesterday, many were straight on here venting their anger that he was going to be sold before they knew the whole story, and before Ronnie press conference where he cleared the situation up. The same thing happened with the Gaston loan rumour. So come on lets stop the name calling please, it gives nothing to the debate! But can we also stop the slating of the board/manager before the acts are known. My take on Jack cork, for what its worth, is that Ronnie is pushing him to show what he can do, I think he will be offered a contract but Ronnie wants to see how he reacts to the challenge. There is nothing wrong with that because Ronnie hast be sure. Its not treating cork badly, as cork is still being paid to do his job and if he proves to Ronnie that he is a valuable member of the squad he will be offered a new deal, if not then he will go. Its got nothing to do with what us fans think, its Ronnie choice. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 0

12:12pm Fri 29 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

fascia123 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Nothing wrong with that. It's her money and her club. But if that is the case why can't she tell us that. And if that isn't the case why can't she tell us what the strategy is in terms of replacing players who leave the club. RK promised us greatly improved communication, we haven't got it.

Okay so she phones you up personally and say this is to confirm it's my money and my club and we hope to replace any players leaving with player of equal or better potential and here's my phone nr so you can call me for a chat any time you feel lonely.

Have a word with yourself. It's her money, she owns the club the only person in the world who seems uncertain of that is ..... guess who?
She doesn't need to tell you the players leaving situation. The homeless Romanian sleeping up near the railway lines would be able to trot out the same meaningless corporate blx and bs reply. And if you tried to call her she has enough money to make you disappear into the Solent.
Hope this answers your totally worthwhile and constructive questions.
How long did it take you dream up that nonsensical, smack you in the face as obvious answered drivel. Clear to see you will never own a football club and it's best left to her - we'll sleep better knowing you ain't anywhere near the accelerator.
Where did that come from Jls?
NURSE!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Nothing wrong with that. It's her money and her club. But if that is the case why can't she tell us that. And if that isn't the case why can't she tell us what the strategy is in terms of replacing players who leave the club. RK promised us greatly improved communication, we haven't got it. Okay so she phones you up personally and say this is to confirm it's my money and my club and we hope to replace any players leaving with player of equal or better potential and here's my phone nr so you can call me for a chat any time you feel lonely. Have a word with yourself. It's her money, she owns the club the only person in the world who seems uncertain of that is ..... guess who? She doesn't need to tell you the players leaving situation. The homeless Romanian sleeping up near the railway lines would be able to trot out the same meaningless corporate blx and bs reply. And if you tried to call her she has enough money to make you disappear into the Solent. Hope this answers your totally worthwhile and constructive questions. How long did it take you dream up that nonsensical, smack you in the face as obvious answered drivel. Clear to see you will never own a football club and it's best left to her - we'll sleep better knowing you ain't anywhere near the accelerator.[/p][/quote]Where did that come from Jls?[/p][/quote]NURSE!!!!!! costa gaz
  • Score: -2

12:13pm Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites.

I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club.

Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans.

COYR!
As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct.

Have you managed a professional football club?

Have you played professional football?

Have you worked at board level for a professional football club?

Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club?

You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club.

Where did you get that knowledge from?

For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC

Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club.

That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.
Well said George,opinions are to be debated,not slated, if its an opinion,who's to say who is right or wrong,till it has been disproven,or debated to a consensus.
Good morning, did you read Saint PC response?
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites. I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club. Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans. COYR![/p][/quote]As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct. Have you managed a professional football club? Have you played professional football? Have you worked at board level for a professional football club? Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club? You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club. Where did you get that knowledge from? For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club. That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.[/p][/quote]Well said George,opinions are to be debated,not slated, if its an opinion,who's to say who is right or wrong,till it has been disproven,or debated to a consensus.[/p][/quote]Good morning, did you read Saint PC response? fascia123
  • Score: -7

12:20pm Fri 29 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

KSO16R wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
SaintPC - Not so Clever Dick.
Here is a prime example of what I mean. Posted even before I had finished my reply to your thoughtful post

I think clever dick must be Jack's Mum or maybe his agent even. Either way it seems to be clouding his faculties somewhat.
You think wrong. JC was our player of the season 2 seasons ago and won an award last season as well. It's quite simply a no brainer that he should be given a new contract. If RK need to see what he can do just get him to sit in front of a TV screen and play back all of last year's games in which Jack played. In addition to that he has just got on with the job this season as well. There have been no public outbursts, no tantrums and no throwing toys out of the pram. For us he has been a model proffessional and doesn't deserve to be treated in this way.
Do you really think the manager hasn't watched video jack cork over previous reasons?
A video is not quite the same as watching a player first hand, for instance when you shout instructions to a video the player in question tends not to respond, there is no substitution for watching a player perform on the pitch.
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]SaintPC - Not so Clever Dick. Here is a prime example of what I mean. Posted even before I had finished my reply to your thoughtful post I think clever dick must be Jack's Mum or maybe his agent even. Either way it seems to be clouding his faculties somewhat.[/p][/quote]You think wrong. JC was our player of the season 2 seasons ago and won an award last season as well. It's quite simply a no brainer that he should be given a new contract. If RK need to see what he can do just get him to sit in front of a TV screen and play back all of last year's games in which Jack played. In addition to that he has just got on with the job this season as well. There have been no public outbursts, no tantrums and no throwing toys out of the pram. For us he has been a model proffessional and doesn't deserve to be treated in this way.[/p][/quote]Do you really think the manager hasn't watched video jack cork over previous reasons?[/p][/quote]A video is not quite the same as watching a player first hand, for instance when you shout instructions to a video the player in question tends not to respond, there is no substitution for watching a player perform on the pitch. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 0

12:23pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites.

I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club.

Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans.

COYR!
As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct.

Have you managed a professional football club?

Have you played professional football?

Have you worked at board level for a professional football club?

Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club?

You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club.

Where did you get that knowledge from?

For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC

Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club.

That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.
Well said George,opinions are to be debated,not slated, if its an opinion,who's to say who is right or wrong,till it has been disproven,or debated to a consensus.
Good morning, did you read Saint PC response?
No sorry fascia,I was debating Creationalism v Evolutionism on another thread. Two cracking teams,the Creates just edging it in (and it is only in) my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites. I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club. Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans. COYR![/p][/quote]As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct. Have you managed a professional football club? Have you played professional football? Have you worked at board level for a professional football club? Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club? You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club. Where did you get that knowledge from? For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club. That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.[/p][/quote]Well said George,opinions are to be debated,not slated, if its an opinion,who's to say who is right or wrong,till it has been disproven,or debated to a consensus.[/p][/quote]Good morning, did you read Saint PC response?[/p][/quote]No sorry fascia,I was debating Creationalism v Evolutionism on another thread. Two cracking teams,the Creates just edging it in (and it is only in) my opinion. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -1

12:24pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Chapperall says...

fascia123 wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.[/p][/quote]You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion. The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them? I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.[/p][/quote]Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs Chapperall
  • Score: -2

12:27pm Fri 29 Aug 14

miltonarcher says...

wrypop wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Enough is enough - time to drop the 'Clever' from your name. From now on I shall just refer to you as Dick. Your knowledge of football knows no starting point. Whether its player appraisal or how to deal in the transfer market your views make all the rest of us appear like experts. Still I suppose its Dick by name - Dick by nature.
Agree, this Dick idiot has a track record for posting utter drivel.
[quote][p][bold]wrypop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Enough is enough - time to drop the 'Clever' from your name. From now on I shall just refer to you as Dick. Your knowledge of football knows no starting point. Whether its player appraisal or how to deal in the transfer market your views make all the rest of us appear like experts. Still I suppose its Dick by name - Dick by nature.[/p][/quote]Agree, this Dick idiot has a track record for posting utter drivel. miltonarcher
  • Score: -1

12:27pm Fri 29 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

costa gaz wrote:
If 95% of us fans think that JC is a great asset to us why can't Koeman?
I know that Cork would start most games for team around our level and the fact that this contract is being delayed tells me there could be more than a football reason.
A new manager will always play his own signings, often ignoring the talent that is already there, which is what RK is doing... so much for everyone starting on zero!

As for Gaston, he is at the last chance saloon, if he gets an extended run and fails to produce.... we end up with another huge loss.
If he turns it around, he gets his move in January.
It's catch 22 for Saints.
I thought you said everyone was starting at zero? Then you pre-judge Gaston on past form. A bit odd.

I think if we slate Ron over not giving Jack a chance we also have to wonder why Nigel and Poch didn't give him a regular starting place either.

One manager can be put down to personal preference or error, two is possibly coincidence, three and you have to start wondering if they know or see something we don't.

Don't get me wrong, I want him signed up too. On the plus side, if we're only getting wound up about players who the majority of people wouldn't necessarily have as a nailed on starter anyway things can't be too bad.

I think Cork gives us a great option and I'd start him in certain games, particularly at home, but maybe that's the sticking point for him - he's not going to always start ahead of Spider and Victor.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: If 95% of us fans think that JC is a great asset to us why can't Koeman? I know that Cork would start most games for team around our level and the fact that this contract is being delayed tells me there could be more than a football reason. A new manager will always play his own signings, often ignoring the talent that is already there, which is what RK is doing... so much for everyone starting on zero! As for Gaston, he is at the last chance saloon, if he gets an extended run and fails to produce.... we end up with another huge loss. If he turns it around, he gets his move in January. It's catch 22 for Saints.[/p][/quote]I thought you said everyone was starting at zero? Then you pre-judge Gaston on past form. A bit odd. I think if we slate Ron over not giving Jack a chance we also have to wonder why Nigel and Poch didn't give him a regular starting place either. One manager can be put down to personal preference or error, two is possibly coincidence, three and you have to start wondering if they know or see something we don't. Don't get me wrong, I want him signed up too. On the plus side, if we're only getting wound up about players who the majority of people wouldn't necessarily have as a nailed on starter anyway things can't be too bad. I think Cork gives us a great option and I'd start him in certain games, particularly at home, but maybe that's the sticking point for him - he's not going to always start ahead of Spider and Victor. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

12:28pm Fri 29 Aug 14

saintbobby says...

de Heiligen paard 101, if I could agree with you more than 100%, then I would!

I have said before, remember we are all Saints' supporters, CLEVER DICK for over 50 years and me since 1959. So let's try and be nice to each other, even if we do not agree. COYR&WS!!

This football club is very special to us and I sincerely believe our supporters are the best in the country!
de Heiligen paard 101, if I could agree with you more than 100%, then I would! I have said before, remember we are all Saints' supporters, CLEVER DICK for over 50 years and me since 1959. So let's try and be nice to each other, even if we do not agree. COYR&WS!! This football club is very special to us and I sincerely believe our supporters are the best in the country! saintbobby
  • Score: 1

12:32pm Fri 29 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

fascia123 wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
To answer your question, jack Cork made 46 appearances in 2011/12.
28 in 2012/13 and 28 last season... was he first choice under any of the previous 3 managers... looks like he was.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.[/p][/quote]You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion. The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them? I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.[/p][/quote]To answer your question, jack Cork made 46 appearances in 2011/12. 28 in 2012/13 and 28 last season... was he first choice under any of the previous 3 managers... looks like he was. costa gaz
  • Score: -5

12:33pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites.

I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club.

Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans.

COYR!
As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct.

Have you managed a professional football club?

Have you played professional football?

Have you worked at board level for a professional football club?

Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club?

You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club.

Where did you get that knowledge from?

For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC

Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club.

That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.
Well said George,opinions are to be debated,not slated, if its an opinion,who's to say who is right or wrong,till it has been disproven,or debated to a consensus.
Good morning, did you read Saint PC response?
No sorry fascia,I was debating Creationalism v Evolutionism on another thread. Two cracking teams,the Creates just edging it in (and it is only in) my opinion.
I've just scrolled back and checked it out fascia...sounds like an Evolutionist to me. ;0)
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites. I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club. Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans. COYR![/p][/quote]As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct. Have you managed a professional football club? Have you played professional football? Have you worked at board level for a professional football club? Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club? You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club. Where did you get that knowledge from? For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club. That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.[/p][/quote]Well said George,opinions are to be debated,not slated, if its an opinion,who's to say who is right or wrong,till it has been disproven,or debated to a consensus.[/p][/quote]Good morning, did you read Saint PC response?[/p][/quote]No sorry fascia,I was debating Creationalism v Evolutionism on another thread. Two cracking teams,the Creates just edging it in (and it is only in) my opinion.[/p][/quote]I've just scrolled back and checked it out fascia...sounds like an Evolutionist to me. ;0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -1

12:34pm Fri 29 Aug 14

george chivers says...

SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites.

I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club.

Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans.

COYR!
As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct.

Have you managed a professional football club?

Have you played professional football?

Have you worked at board level for a professional football club?

Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club?

You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club.

Where did you get that knowledge from?

For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC

Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club.

That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.
Interesting post, it seems I may have struck a nerve with you?

Firstly, I never said you were wrong or had ill-informed nonsense, I said a lot of posters on here do, not singling anyone out - you have drawn your own conclusion about that being in reference to you.

Secondly, you are asking me to put you right, and yet you havent actually given any opinion in your post that I might either agree or disagree with, which makes it difficult for me to comment on.

No-one is saying that you shouldnt have opinions as a supporter, or that mine (or anyone else's for that matter) are more important than yours.

You can assume from my answer that most of the questions you asked can be answered with a "no", the fact you felt it necessary to ask them would probably say more about you than my ability to answer them with a "yes" says about me.

What I am saying is that there is a lot of posters on here who do not even have a rudimentary understanding of business, let alone football club management. I don't need to have managed a football team to know the fundamentals of business and contractual negotiations, and to know that things are not as straight forward as simply "going out and getting players", each negotiation is multifaceted, some we will conclude and others wont work out, and some will take until the last day of the transfer window because of all of the other variables moving behind the scenes.

I applaud your longevity in supporting Saints, I respect your opinion and am not interested in changing your posts, I just hope they are based on a sound reasoning rather than just a rant.

COYR
What I am saying is quite simple. I think when you look at our squad last season and compare it to what we have so far this season, and there may be some big surprises to come in over the next few days which would change things. I think the incoming players aside from Tadic and maybe Forster are poor replacements for the outgoing players.

I think Long at 12.5M is a very poor buy and is more Championship standard than PL standard. Pelle I think will struggle to score in the PL. I also think Ramirez will not perform well this season despite what ROKO may hope for.

I also think LR has done a very good job selling players and a very bad job at bringing players in. Restricted no doubt by a tight budget in terms of wages that has been imposed on him.

Considering the money we have had to spend coupled with the £80M in prize money and the circa £40M from ticket sales during the course of the new season and the money we have saved in wages from outgoing players I think the club and the fans have come out of it very badly. And from where I am stood that is bad management by KL, RK and LR.

But probably good management from their POV because it brings money owed back into KL's pocket which she is entitled to.

I would like to think we could end up with about 52-55 points but I doubt that will happen because I am reasonably confident there will be more player sales in January and the replacements we bring in will be inferior to the outgoing players. There is no doubt in my mind we are in for a poor start to this season, particularly a lack of goals which will leave us in the bottom 8 on the 31/12/2014.

The proof of the pudding will of course be in the PL table on that date. I am critical of the club management for those reasons and will continue to be so until the league table says something else. After 8 league games I expect us to have 10 points or less. At the moment I cannot take a positive view of this season and I think the responsibility for that lies with the senior management team, excluding ROKO at this point in time who I think is in for a shock with the poor squad he has been given to manage.

That I think is realistic view of what to expect up until the end of this year. The new year could be better could be worse depending on the action taken. On that basis I will continue to criticise the management team until things improve.

COYR STID
[quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites. I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club. Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans. COYR![/p][/quote]As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct. Have you managed a professional football club? Have you played professional football? Have you worked at board level for a professional football club? Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club? You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club. Where did you get that knowledge from? For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club. That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.[/p][/quote]Interesting post, it seems I may have struck a nerve with you? Firstly, I never said you were wrong or had ill-informed nonsense, I said a lot of posters on here do, not singling anyone out - you have drawn your own conclusion about that being in reference to you. Secondly, you are asking me to put you right, and yet you havent actually given any opinion in your post that I might either agree or disagree with, which makes it difficult for me to comment on. No-one is saying that you shouldnt have opinions as a supporter, or that mine (or anyone else's for that matter) are more important than yours. You can assume from my answer that most of the questions you asked can be answered with a "no", the fact you felt it necessary to ask them would probably say more about you than my ability to answer them with a "yes" says about me. What I am saying is that there is a lot of posters on here who do not even have a rudimentary understanding of business, let alone football club management. I don't need to have managed a football team to know the fundamentals of business and contractual negotiations, and to know that things are not as straight forward as simply "going out and getting players", each negotiation is multifaceted, some we will conclude and others wont work out, and some will take until the last day of the transfer window because of all of the other variables moving behind the scenes. I applaud your longevity in supporting Saints, I respect your opinion and am not interested in changing your posts, I just hope they are based on a sound reasoning rather than just a rant. COYR[/p][/quote]What I am saying is quite simple. I think when you look at our squad last season and compare it to what we have so far this season, and there may be some big surprises to come in over the next few days which would change things. I think the incoming players aside from Tadic and maybe Forster are poor replacements for the outgoing players. I think Long at 12.5M is a very poor buy and is more Championship standard than PL standard. Pelle I think will struggle to score in the PL. I also think Ramirez will not perform well this season despite what ROKO may hope for. I also think LR has done a very good job selling players and a very bad job at bringing players in. Restricted no doubt by a tight budget in terms of wages that has been imposed on him. Considering the money we have had to spend coupled with the £80M in prize money and the circa £40M from ticket sales during the course of the new season and the money we have saved in wages from outgoing players I think the club and the fans have come out of it very badly. And from where I am stood that is bad management by KL, RK and LR. But probably good management from their POV because it brings money owed back into KL's pocket which she is entitled to. I would like to think we could end up with about 52-55 points but I doubt that will happen because I am reasonably confident there will be more player sales in January and the replacements we bring in will be inferior to the outgoing players. There is no doubt in my mind we are in for a poor start to this season, particularly a lack of goals which will leave us in the bottom 8 on the 31/12/2014. The proof of the pudding will of course be in the PL table on that date. I am critical of the club management for those reasons and will continue to be so until the league table says something else. After 8 league games I expect us to have 10 points or less. At the moment I cannot take a positive view of this season and I think the responsibility for that lies with the senior management team, excluding ROKO at this point in time who I think is in for a shock with the poor squad he has been given to manage. That I think is realistic view of what to expect up until the end of this year. The new year could be better could be worse depending on the action taken. On that basis I will continue to criticise the management team until things improve. COYR STID george chivers
  • Score: -9

12:40pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Invidia says...

I don't believe Jack Cork' s problem is when he is on the pitch, it is when he is not on the pitch, he gives 100% when playing but he is one of those people who gives the impression off the pitch that he is so laid back that he does not care, I have spoken to him a couple of times and he is a very nice bloke as well as a good player. I have come across some people in the workplace who are very active when not on the job but pretty useless at working. (empty vessel's make the most noise and get noticed a bit like some posters on here ). I think that JC is the opposite he is so laid back and easy going that some people think he is not interested. Personally I know which type I prefer
I don't believe Jack Cork' s problem is when he is on the pitch, it is when he is not on the pitch, he gives 100% when playing but he is one of those people who gives the impression off the pitch that he is so laid back that he does not care, I have spoken to him a couple of times and he is a very nice bloke as well as a good player. I have come across some people in the workplace who are very active when not on the job but pretty useless at working. (empty vessel's make the most noise and get noticed a bit like some posters on here ). I think that JC is the opposite he is so laid back and easy going that some people think he is not interested. Personally I know which type I prefer Invidia
  • Score: 1

12:43pm Fri 29 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Chapperall wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs
It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it?

'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out?

How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork.

I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy.

And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings.

Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc.

And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel.

Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.
[quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.[/p][/quote]You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion. The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them? I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.[/p][/quote]Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs[/p][/quote]It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it? 'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out? How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork. I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy. And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings. Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc. And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel. Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

12:48pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Saint Clements says...

george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites.

I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club.

Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans.

COYR!
As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct.

Have you managed a professional football club?

Have you played professional football?

Have you worked at board level for a professional football club?

Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club?

You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club.

Where did you get that knowledge from?

For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC

Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club.

That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.
Great post. Why it's a thumbs-down magnet is utterly beyond me - if it's any consolation I just brought you back up one.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites. I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club. Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans. COYR![/p][/quote]As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct. Have you managed a professional football club? Have you played professional football? Have you worked at board level for a professional football club? Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club? You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club. Where did you get that knowledge from? For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club. That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.[/p][/quote]Great post. Why it's a thumbs-down magnet is utterly beyond me - if it's any consolation I just brought you back up one. Saint Clements
  • Score: -5

12:49pm Fri 29 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
If 95% of us fans think that JC is a great asset to us why can't Koeman?
I know that Cork would start most games for team around our level and the fact that this contract is being delayed tells me there could be more than a football reason.
A new manager will always play his own signings, often ignoring the talent that is already there, which is what RK is doing... so much for everyone starting on zero!

As for Gaston, he is at the last chance saloon, if he gets an extended run and fails to produce.... we end up with another huge loss.
If he turns it around, he gets his move in January.
It's catch 22 for Saints.
I thought you said everyone was starting at zero? Then you pre-judge Gaston on past form. A bit odd.

I think if we slate Ron over not giving Jack a chance we also have to wonder why Nigel and Poch didn't give him a regular starting place either.

One manager can be put down to personal preference or error, two is possibly coincidence, three and you have to start wondering if they know or see something we don't.

Don't get me wrong, I want him signed up too. On the plus side, if we're only getting wound up about players who the majority of people wouldn't necessarily have as a nailed on starter anyway things can't be too bad.

I think Cork gives us a great option and I'd start him in certain games, particularly at home, but maybe that's the sticking point for him - he's not going to always start ahead of Spider and Victor.
I did not say about everyone starting on zero RK did..??
Adkins played him in every single league game in 2012/13 46 appearances
and in the following season he appeared 28 times in the premier league, under NA and MP.

Even last season when Victor arrived he still managed 28 appearances.

I think because he is not an automatic first choice every game, we imagine he is being left out in the cold.. looking at figures it seems not.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: If 95% of us fans think that JC is a great asset to us why can't Koeman? I know that Cork would start most games for team around our level and the fact that this contract is being delayed tells me there could be more than a football reason. A new manager will always play his own signings, often ignoring the talent that is already there, which is what RK is doing... so much for everyone starting on zero! As for Gaston, he is at the last chance saloon, if he gets an extended run and fails to produce.... we end up with another huge loss. If he turns it around, he gets his move in January. It's catch 22 for Saints.[/p][/quote]I thought you said everyone was starting at zero? Then you pre-judge Gaston on past form. A bit odd. I think if we slate Ron over not giving Jack a chance we also have to wonder why Nigel and Poch didn't give him a regular starting place either. One manager can be put down to personal preference or error, two is possibly coincidence, three and you have to start wondering if they know or see something we don't. Don't get me wrong, I want him signed up too. On the plus side, if we're only getting wound up about players who the majority of people wouldn't necessarily have as a nailed on starter anyway things can't be too bad. I think Cork gives us a great option and I'd start him in certain games, particularly at home, but maybe that's the sticking point for him - he's not going to always start ahead of Spider and Victor.[/p][/quote]I did not say about everyone starting on zero RK did..?? Adkins played him in every single league game in 2012/13 46 appearances and in the following season he appeared 28 times in the premier league, under NA and MP. Even last season when Victor arrived he still managed 28 appearances. I think because he is not an automatic first choice every game, we imagine he is being left out in the cold.. looking at figures it seems not. costa gaz
  • Score: -6

12:50pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Invidia says...

12:33pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

I've just scrolled back and checked it out fascia...sounds like an Evolutionist to me. ;0)

Sounds more like Osprey to me....
12:33pm Fri 29 Aug 14 Positively4thStreet says... I've just scrolled back and checked it out fascia...sounds like an Evolutionist to me. ;0) Sounds more like Osprey to me.... Invidia
  • Score: 0

12:51pm Fri 29 Aug 14

deepheat says...

Ironically enough - Gaston Ramirez is exactly the player Les Reed would have identified this transfer window and purchased if he wasn't already playing for saints.
Ironically enough - Gaston Ramirez is exactly the player Les Reed would have identified this transfer window and purchased if he wasn't already playing for saints. deepheat
  • Score: 0

12:52pm Fri 29 Aug 14

mack chinnon says...

Good luck with Ramirez, Ron. You're gonna need it.
Good luck with Ramirez, Ron. You're gonna need it. mack chinnon
  • Score: -5

12:52pm Fri 29 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

Invidia wrote:
I don't believe Jack Cork' s problem is when he is on the pitch, it is when he is not on the pitch, he gives 100% when playing but he is one of those people who gives the impression off the pitch that he is so laid back that he does not care, I have spoken to him a couple of times and he is a very nice bloke as well as a good player. I have come across some people in the workplace who are very active when not on the job but pretty useless at working. (empty vessel's make the most noise and get noticed a bit like some posters on here ). I think that JC is the opposite he is so laid back and easy going that some people think he is not interested. Personally I know which type I prefer
Think you may have hit the nail on the head.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: I don't believe Jack Cork' s problem is when he is on the pitch, it is when he is not on the pitch, he gives 100% when playing but he is one of those people who gives the impression off the pitch that he is so laid back that he does not care, I have spoken to him a couple of times and he is a very nice bloke as well as a good player. I have come across some people in the workplace who are very active when not on the job but pretty useless at working. (empty vessel's make the most noise and get noticed a bit like some posters on here ). I think that JC is the opposite he is so laid back and easy going that some people think he is not interested. Personally I know which type I prefer[/p][/quote]Think you may have hit the nail on the head. costa gaz
  • Score: 2

1:03pm Fri 29 Aug 14

SaintPC says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites.

I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club.

Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans.

COYR!
As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct.

Have you managed a professional football club?

Have you played professional football?

Have you worked at board level for a professional football club?

Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club?

You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club.

Where did you get that knowledge from?

For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC

Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club.

That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.
Well said George,opinions are to be debated,not slated, if its an opinion,who's to say who is right or wrong,till it has been disproven,or debated to a consensus.
Good morning, did you read Saint PC response?
No sorry fascia,I was debating Creationalism v Evolutionism on another thread. Two cracking teams,the Creates just edging it in (and it is only in) my opinion.
I've just scrolled back and checked it out fascia...sounds like an Evolutionist to me. ;0)
God knows I am an evolutionist!
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites. I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club. Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans. COYR![/p][/quote]As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct. Have you managed a professional football club? Have you played professional football? Have you worked at board level for a professional football club? Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club? You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club. Where did you get that knowledge from? For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club. That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.[/p][/quote]Well said George,opinions are to be debated,not slated, if its an opinion,who's to say who is right or wrong,till it has been disproven,or debated to a consensus.[/p][/quote]Good morning, did you read Saint PC response?[/p][/quote]No sorry fascia,I was debating Creationalism v Evolutionism on another thread. Two cracking teams,the Creates just edging it in (and it is only in) my opinion.[/p][/quote]I've just scrolled back and checked it out fascia...sounds like an Evolutionist to me. ;0)[/p][/quote]God knows I am an evolutionist! SaintPC
  • Score: -1

1:05pm Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

costa gaz wrote:
Invidia wrote:
I don't believe Jack Cork' s problem is when he is on the pitch, it is when he is not on the pitch, he gives 100% when playing but he is one of those people who gives the impression off the pitch that he is so laid back that he does not care, I have spoken to him a couple of times and he is a very nice bloke as well as a good player. I have come across some people in the workplace who are very active when not on the job but pretty useless at working. (empty vessel's make the most noise and get noticed a bit like some posters on here ). I think that JC is the opposite he is so laid back and easy going that some people think he is not interested. Personally I know which type I prefer
Think you may have hit the nail on the head.
Let's hope this is the prob and he can show Rambros that he is worthy. I've not spoken to anyone who has a bad word to say about the bloke on or off the field - never met him myself though.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: I don't believe Jack Cork' s problem is when he is on the pitch, it is when he is not on the pitch, he gives 100% when playing but he is one of those people who gives the impression off the pitch that he is so laid back that he does not care, I have spoken to him a couple of times and he is a very nice bloke as well as a good player. I have come across some people in the workplace who are very active when not on the job but pretty useless at working. (empty vessel's make the most noise and get noticed a bit like some posters on here ). I think that JC is the opposite he is so laid back and easy going that some people think he is not interested. Personally I know which type I prefer[/p][/quote]Think you may have hit the nail on the head.[/p][/quote]Let's hope this is the prob and he can show Rambros that he is worthy. I've not spoken to anyone who has a bad word to say about the bloke on or off the field - never met him myself though. jls217
  • Score: -1

1:08pm Fri 29 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

costa gaz wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
If 95% of us fans think that JC is a great asset to us why can't Koeman?
I know that Cork would start most games for team around our level and the fact that this contract is being delayed tells me there could be more than a football reason.
A new manager will always play his own signings, often ignoring the talent that is already there, which is what RK is doing... so much for everyone starting on zero!

As for Gaston, he is at the last chance saloon, if he gets an extended run and fails to produce.... we end up with another huge loss.
If he turns it around, he gets his move in January.
It's catch 22 for Saints.
I thought you said everyone was starting at zero? Then you pre-judge Gaston on past form. A bit odd.

I think if we slate Ron over not giving Jack a chance we also have to wonder why Nigel and Poch didn't give him a regular starting place either.

One manager can be put down to personal preference or error, two is possibly coincidence, three and you have to start wondering if they know or see something we don't.

Don't get me wrong, I want him signed up too. On the plus side, if we're only getting wound up about players who the majority of people wouldn't necessarily have as a nailed on starter anyway things can't be too bad.

I think Cork gives us a great option and I'd start him in certain games, particularly at home, but maybe that's the sticking point for him - he's not going to always start ahead of Spider and Victor.
I did not say about everyone starting on zero RK did..??
Adkins played him in every single league game in 2012/13 46 appearances
and in the following season he appeared 28 times in the premier league, under NA and MP.

Even last season when Victor arrived he still managed 28 appearances.

I think because he is not an automatic first choice every game, we imagine he is being left out in the cold.. looking at figures it seems not.
Yeah, I agree, but I do think he seems to be overlooked at the start of each Premier League season and then brought in and started a lot more from November/December time, when suddenly the managers seem to realise he's actually worth a starting place when they have to put him in due to injuries. I'm only saying that from memory though, so if I'm wide of the mark, let me know. It's odd though because, to me, it seems to be a pattern with Jack.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: If 95% of us fans think that JC is a great asset to us why can't Koeman? I know that Cork would start most games for team around our level and the fact that this contract is being delayed tells me there could be more than a football reason. A new manager will always play his own signings, often ignoring the talent that is already there, which is what RK is doing... so much for everyone starting on zero! As for Gaston, he is at the last chance saloon, if he gets an extended run and fails to produce.... we end up with another huge loss. If he turns it around, he gets his move in January. It's catch 22 for Saints.[/p][/quote]I thought you said everyone was starting at zero? Then you pre-judge Gaston on past form. A bit odd. I think if we slate Ron over not giving Jack a chance we also have to wonder why Nigel and Poch didn't give him a regular starting place either. One manager can be put down to personal preference or error, two is possibly coincidence, three and you have to start wondering if they know or see something we don't. Don't get me wrong, I want him signed up too. On the plus side, if we're only getting wound up about players who the majority of people wouldn't necessarily have as a nailed on starter anyway things can't be too bad. I think Cork gives us a great option and I'd start him in certain games, particularly at home, but maybe that's the sticking point for him - he's not going to always start ahead of Spider and Victor.[/p][/quote]I did not say about everyone starting on zero RK did..?? Adkins played him in every single league game in 2012/13 46 appearances and in the following season he appeared 28 times in the premier league, under NA and MP. Even last season when Victor arrived he still managed 28 appearances. I think because he is not an automatic first choice every game, we imagine he is being left out in the cold.. looking at figures it seems not.[/p][/quote]Yeah, I agree, but I do think he seems to be overlooked at the start of each Premier League season and then brought in and started a lot more from November/December time, when suddenly the managers seem to realise he's actually worth a starting place when they have to put him in due to injuries. I'm only saying that from memory though, so if I'm wide of the mark, let me know. It's odd though because, to me, it seems to be a pattern with Jack. SaintJD
  • Score: -2

1:10pm Fri 29 Aug 14

drkensta says...

The point that Koeman makes in regards to both Cork and Ramirez is a question of their fitness to perform as he requires. Also Shaw was grounded by Van Gaal on M.U's. pre-season tour because he regarded him not fit enough, and then he consequently suffered a hamstring injury which can be a result of over-strain when their is a lack of fitness. This puts a question mark as to just how fit Pochettino left our first team players when he moved to Spurs. I think it is up to the players to show that they are fit enough to carry out the coach's instructions if they wish to be in the team or be offered a contract.
The point that Koeman makes in regards to both Cork and Ramirez is a question of their fitness to perform as he requires. Also Shaw was grounded by Van Gaal on M.U's. pre-season tour because he regarded him not fit enough, and then he consequently suffered a hamstring injury which can be a result of over-strain when their is a lack of fitness. This puts a question mark as to just how fit Pochettino left our first team players when he moved to Spurs. I think it is up to the players to show that they are fit enough to carry out the coach's instructions if they wish to be in the team or be offered a contract. drkensta
  • Score: -2

1:13pm Fri 29 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

SaintJD wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs
It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it?

'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out?

How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork.

I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy.

And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings.

Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc.

And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel.

Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.
Tbf, I doubt if Read had anything to do with bringing in Cork or J Rod, he might have been involved in some way.
It was not until Cortese left did he start having a major influence in player recruitment.
He was in charge of kit and maintenance and has kept that role. He is the only football man on our board.. did you know that he never played a single professional match and has only ever managed one club for 2 months, seven games. 1 win 5 defeats.
He has virtually zero respect in the football world and it beggars belief that Cortese ever employed him.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.[/p][/quote]You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion. The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them? I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.[/p][/quote]Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs[/p][/quote]It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it? 'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out? How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork. I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy. And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings. Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc. And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel. Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.[/p][/quote]Tbf, I doubt if Read had anything to do with bringing in Cork or J Rod, he might have been involved in some way. It was not until Cortese left did he start having a major influence in player recruitment. He was in charge of kit and maintenance and has kept that role. He is the only football man on our board.. did you know that he never played a single professional match and has only ever managed one club for 2 months, seven games. 1 win 5 defeats. He has virtually zero respect in the football world and it beggars belief that Cortese ever employed him. costa gaz
  • Score: -2

1:17pm Fri 29 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Is there an argument we've secured the majority of our main transfer targets this closed season and tied up the deals quite neatly, with a bit of speed?

Tadic and Pelle were clearly the two Ron wanted as soon as he arrived - both deals were done quickly.

Forster had been on the radar for a while - secured as soon as Celtic were out of the Champions League.

We beat Liverpool to Bertrand and apparently we had been interested in Long for a while.

The only rumoured first choice target we didn't seem to get was Rojo, who was bought by Man Utd and had ownership/agent complications.

As far as I can see it's only been at centre back that the jury is out in terms of us getting our man and it's quite possible that Florin fits the bill anyway.

There were rumours of a late bid for Caulker, but if that's the case he clearly wasn't high on the wanted list, and Hernandez made it clear he didn't want to come, so not much we can do about that except be thankful we dodged the bullet.

So while people can question who we are targeting, I don't think you can legitimately say we've been losing out on the players we've been going for hand over fist. The big targets we wanted seem to have been secured for the most part.
Is there an argument we've secured the majority of our main transfer targets this closed season and tied up the deals quite neatly, with a bit of speed? Tadic and Pelle were clearly the two Ron wanted as soon as he arrived - both deals were done quickly. Forster had been on the radar for a while - secured as soon as Celtic were out of the Champions League. We beat Liverpool to Bertrand and apparently we had been interested in Long for a while. The only rumoured first choice target we didn't seem to get was Rojo, who was bought by Man Utd and had ownership/agent complications. As far as I can see it's only been at centre back that the jury is out in terms of us getting our man and it's quite possible that Florin fits the bill anyway. There were rumours of a late bid for Caulker, but if that's the case he clearly wasn't high on the wanted list, and Hernandez made it clear he didn't want to come, so not much we can do about that except be thankful we dodged the bullet. So while people can question who we are targeting, I don't think you can legitimately say we've been losing out on the players we've been going for hand over fist. The big targets we wanted seem to have been secured for the most part. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

1:17pm Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

fascia123 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Nothing wrong with that. It's her money and her club. But if that is the case why can't she tell us that. And if that isn't the case why can't she tell us what the strategy is in terms of replacing players who leave the club. RK promised us greatly improved communication, we haven't got it.

Okay so she phones you up personally and say this is to confirm it's my money and my club and we hope to replace any players leaving with player of equal or better potential and here's my phone nr so you can call me for a chat any time you feel lonely.

Have a word with yourself. It's her money, she owns the club the only person in the world who seems uncertain of that is ..... guess who?
She doesn't need to tell you the players leaving situation. The homeless Romanian sleeping up near the railway lines would be able to trot out the same meaningless corporate blx and bs reply. And if you tried to call her she has enough money to make you disappear into the Solent.
Hope this answers your totally worthwhile and constructive questions.
How long did it take you dream up that nonsensical, smack you in the face as obvious answered drivel. Clear to see you will never own a football club and it's best left to her - we'll sleep better knowing you ain't anywhere near the accelerator.
Where did that come from Jls?
Sorry mate just one of my despairing moments answering some drivel posted by some oxygen thief who I won't embarrass by naming - he has to know by now how bloody stupid everything he was saying clearly was and if he hasn't worked it out he's deficient of something and probably never will.

"If she is taking the money and if she's the owner of the club why doesn't she come out and say so" ---- This was a serious statement. And we sit in a pub and wonder how we ever lost the empire!
Taking a break for the rest of the day. Not sure whether the tears are from laughing or of frustration, a bottle or two of Peroni will help me formulate an answer.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Nothing wrong with that. It's her money and her club. But if that is the case why can't she tell us that. And if that isn't the case why can't she tell us what the strategy is in terms of replacing players who leave the club. RK promised us greatly improved communication, we haven't got it. Okay so she phones you up personally and say this is to confirm it's my money and my club and we hope to replace any players leaving with player of equal or better potential and here's my phone nr so you can call me for a chat any time you feel lonely. Have a word with yourself. It's her money, she owns the club the only person in the world who seems uncertain of that is ..... guess who? She doesn't need to tell you the players leaving situation. The homeless Romanian sleeping up near the railway lines would be able to trot out the same meaningless corporate blx and bs reply. And if you tried to call her she has enough money to make you disappear into the Solent. Hope this answers your totally worthwhile and constructive questions. How long did it take you dream up that nonsensical, smack you in the face as obvious answered drivel. Clear to see you will never own a football club and it's best left to her - we'll sleep better knowing you ain't anywhere near the accelerator.[/p][/quote]Where did that come from Jls?[/p][/quote]Sorry mate just one of my despairing moments answering some drivel posted by some oxygen thief who I won't embarrass by naming - he has to know by now how bloody stupid everything he was saying clearly was and if he hasn't worked it out he's deficient of something and probably never will. "If she is taking the money and if she's the owner of the club why doesn't she come out and say so" ---- This was a serious statement. And we sit in a pub and wonder how we ever lost the empire! Taking a break for the rest of the day. Not sure whether the tears are from laughing or of frustration, a bottle or two of Peroni will help me formulate an answer. jls217
  • Score: -5

1:17pm Fri 29 Aug 14

lowe esteem says...

If Jack Cork is good enough- and he is-to sell, then our wonderful 'Sales Team' will sell him, without reference to the 'customers'.
The same should apply to Gaston Ramirez too, but our board does seem to measure things in terms of "beanz" (balance sheets and 'saleability') This applies to a lot of the 'backroom staff' too, so there may not be many left that know enough about our Jack.
So, I will climb up onto the roof of this here building and shout to Ronald:
"WITH RESPECT:THAT JACK CORK IS SOME PLAYER AND MADE A VERY FULLSOME YET UNHERALDED CONTRIBUTION TO OUR RELATIVE SUCCESS LAST YEAR, RON. FROM A FANS PERSPECTIVE WE ONLY SAW GASTON IN GLIMPSES, SO PLEASE TRY AND GET THE BEST FROM HIM WHILST PERSEVERING WITH ONE OF OUR HISTORICALLY BETTER PLAYERS (JACK CORK!) THANK YOU"
If Jack Cork is good enough- and he is-to sell, then our wonderful 'Sales Team' will sell him, without reference to the 'customers'. The same should apply to Gaston Ramirez too, but our board does seem to measure things in terms of "beanz" (balance sheets and 'saleability') This applies to a lot of the 'backroom staff' too, so there may not be many left that know enough about our Jack. So, I will climb up onto the roof of this here building and shout to Ronald: "WITH RESPECT:THAT JACK CORK IS SOME PLAYER AND MADE A VERY FULLSOME YET UNHERALDED CONTRIBUTION TO OUR RELATIVE SUCCESS LAST YEAR, RON. FROM A FANS PERSPECTIVE WE ONLY SAW GASTON IN GLIMPSES, SO PLEASE TRY AND GET THE BEST FROM HIM WHILST PERSEVERING WITH ONE OF OUR HISTORICALLY BETTER PLAYERS (JACK CORK!) THANK YOU" lowe esteem
  • Score: -2

1:18pm Fri 29 Aug 14

ctsaint says...

george chivers wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites.

I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club.

Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans.

COYR!
As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct.

Have you managed a professional football club?

Have you played professional football?

Have you worked at board level for a professional football club?

Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club?

You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club.

Where did you get that knowledge from?

For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC

Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club.

That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.
George, how many of your own questions can you answer YES to? Try reading the man's post properly before throwing a playground tantrum and illustrating exactly what SaintPC is complaining about. Nobody's saying that it's wrong to feel that you are an "emotional shareholder", or stakeholder at least, in the club but those emotions aren't necessarily the most stable or reliable foundation when it comes to suggesting what's best for the club.
I can't answer yes to any of those questions. But there is an implicit assumption his post that he can. And I was asking the question how can he do that? What is his knowledge base?

My position is simple.

I belief this close season has been a disaster for our club. And what makes that worse for me is I thought it would happen back in January and said so on here.

I think we have cashed in players so that replacements can be bought in at cheaper prices. So far we have sold £92M worth of players and bought in players worth £42M. I think that has been done so the owner can recoup over spend from the Cortese days and pay back loans to herself.
Nothing wrong with that. It's her money and her club. But if that is the case why can't she tell us that. And if that isn't the case why can't she tell us what the strategy is in terms of replacing players who leave the club. RK promised us greatly improved communication, we haven't got it.

Communication has increased but at best it has been ambiguous.

I think as fans (customers) we are owed a statement of direction from the owner saying where the club is going. This season and what the objectives are for the next 5 years. As we had from Cortese.

If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there. Currently we have nothing. The owner, the management, the players and the fans are in this together. But as far as I am concerned, in terms of the fans there is no leadership. And that is what is annoying me. I feel like I am being conned and misled.

I would like to know what our points target is this season and the following season. Are we interested in continuous improvement or just an ongoing mid-table position. Do we want to win the FA Cup? Be in the Europa Cup? All those things are not clear. And I think they should be clear. And I will continue to criticise the club until they are.

But, I will be, as always STID.
That's far more eloquently put. Under NC we had a stated aim, 5 years to the PREM - that was the plan and that what was delivered.

Whilst NC spoke about Champions League and sold that dream . that plan was NEVER agreed by the investor (KL Trust) .

I am disappointed that the NC dream isn't a reality , I do think the club has spelled out what it wants and that is firstly a long term sustainable business, the rest flows from there.

A realistic goal would be a 5 year plan to finish top 6 and be in a position to repeat that feat , and/or win a cup - would you be happy with that??

I would be, which is why I am happy with what i see going on.

The board are having to find their feet, in a difficult situation with Fans expectation levels having been raised higher than they have ever been.

The difference between the neggies and the HClappers is whether you accept a rational 5 year plan , a new plan, with the continued and measured backing of our investors and a proper board OR assume that with NC and 3 more players we would get into the champions league this year!

I am v happy with where we are a as a club, how we conduct ourselves and the FACT that we have the highest profile managerial appointment we have EVER had - that to me was the sign of intent i needed from the board the rest of these threads are a reaction to press articles and perceived mismanagement.

1-2 Against the Hammers Pelle and Tadic COYR
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites. I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club. Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans. COYR![/p][/quote]As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct. Have you managed a professional football club? Have you played professional football? Have you worked at board level for a professional football club? Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club? You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club. Where did you get that knowledge from? For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club. That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.[/p][/quote]George, how many of your own questions can you answer YES to? Try reading the man's post properly before throwing a playground tantrum and illustrating exactly what SaintPC is complaining about. Nobody's saying that it's wrong to feel that you are an "emotional shareholder", or stakeholder at least, in the club but those emotions aren't necessarily the most stable or reliable foundation when it comes to suggesting what's best for the club.[/p][/quote]I can't answer yes to any of those questions. But there is an implicit assumption his post that he can. And I was asking the question how can he do that? What is his knowledge base? My position is simple. I belief this close season has been a disaster for our club. And what makes that worse for me is I thought it would happen back in January and said so on here. I think we have cashed in players so that replacements can be bought in at cheaper prices. So far we have sold £92M worth of players and bought in players worth £42M. I think that has been done so the owner can recoup over spend from the Cortese days and pay back loans to herself. Nothing wrong with that. It's her money and her club. But if that is the case why can't she tell us that. And if that isn't the case why can't she tell us what the strategy is in terms of replacing players who leave the club. RK promised us greatly improved communication, we haven't got it. Communication has increased but at best it has been ambiguous. I think as fans (customers) we are owed a statement of direction from the owner saying where the club is going. This season and what the objectives are for the next 5 years. As we had from Cortese. If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there. Currently we have nothing. The owner, the management, the players and the fans are in this together. But as far as I am concerned, in terms of the fans there is no leadership. And that is what is annoying me. I feel like I am being conned and misled. I would like to know what our points target is this season and the following season. Are we interested in continuous improvement or just an ongoing mid-table position. Do we want to win the FA Cup? Be in the Europa Cup? All those things are not clear. And I think they should be clear. And I will continue to criticise the club until they are. But, I will be, as always STID.[/p][/quote]That's far more eloquently put. Under NC we had a stated aim, 5 years to the PREM - that was the plan and that what was delivered. Whilst NC spoke about Champions League and sold that dream . that plan was NEVER agreed by the investor (KL Trust) . I am disappointed that the NC dream isn't a reality , I do think the club has spelled out what it wants and that is firstly a long term sustainable business, the rest flows from there. A realistic goal would be a 5 year plan to finish top 6 and be in a position to repeat that feat , and/or win a cup - would you be happy with that?? I would be, which is why I am happy with what i see going on. The board are having to find their feet, in a difficult situation with Fans expectation levels having been raised higher than they have ever been. The difference between the neggies and the HClappers is whether you accept a rational 5 year plan , a new plan, with the continued and measured backing of our investors and a proper board OR assume that with NC and 3 more players we would get into the champions league this year! I am v happy with where we are a as a club, how we conduct ourselves and the FACT that we have the highest profile managerial appointment we have EVER had - that to me was the sign of intent i needed from the board the rest of these threads are a reaction to press articles and perceived mismanagement. 1-2 Against the Hammers Pelle and Tadic COYR ctsaint
  • Score: 0

1:31pm Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

StopMoaningPeople wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
jls217 wrote:
StopMoaningPeople wrote:
I think he is wRONg about Gaston and we need to get rid ASAP!! Not suited to the english game I'm afraid.
You may end up being proved right mate only time will tell. I'd like to see him given a greater chance to prove/adapt than he's had so far. He's been here a little while now but don't forget the injury he picked up and then made worse when he came back (maybe too soon, trying to prove himself worthy of a place) That was a bloody horrible injury - when I saw it I thought he'd smashed the ankle for sure. That sort of injury can last for years niggling away every time you feel confident about it and for sure that's an injury that will catch up with him by the time he's 35-40 - he will for sure never forget that tackle. I can only hope you're wrong but concede you could just be right.
Think that hits the nail on the head and Ron's assessment is great, but it all relies on Gaston getting a run without picking up little knocks. If he can't manage that, he'll never fire.

His other slight problem is going to be battling for his place because, like Cork, he's competing for a place against Tadic (can't see us playing both). That's going to be a tough ask.

So he basically needs to show more fitness and more fight than he has so far. It's clear the guy has quality and technique (regardless of that odd, suspicious post from someone above).
He's just lazy, which is why he's not suited to the english game. It happens a lot with spanish players.
Said the same about LeGod season after season - that'll teach him to be Spannerish.
[quote][p][bold]StopMoaningPeople[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopMoaningPeople[/bold] wrote: I think he is wRONg about Gaston and we need to get rid ASAP!! Not suited to the english game I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]You may end up being proved right mate only time will tell. I'd like to see him given a greater chance to prove/adapt than he's had so far. He's been here a little while now but don't forget the injury he picked up and then made worse when he came back (maybe too soon, trying to prove himself worthy of a place) That was a bloody horrible injury - when I saw it I thought he'd smashed the ankle for sure. That sort of injury can last for years niggling away every time you feel confident about it and for sure that's an injury that will catch up with him by the time he's 35-40 - he will for sure never forget that tackle. I can only hope you're wrong but concede you could just be right.[/p][/quote]Think that hits the nail on the head and Ron's assessment is great, but it all relies on Gaston getting a run without picking up little knocks. If he can't manage that, he'll never fire. His other slight problem is going to be battling for his place because, like Cork, he's competing for a place against Tadic (can't see us playing both). That's going to be a tough ask. So he basically needs to show more fitness and more fight than he has so far. It's clear the guy has quality and technique (regardless of that odd, suspicious post from someone above).[/p][/quote]He's just lazy, which is why he's not suited to the english game. It happens a lot with spanish players.[/p][/quote]Said the same about LeGod season after season - that'll teach him to be Spannerish. jls217
  • Score: -2

1:35pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Egomaniac says...

The good news is that Lawro has got us down for a draw at West Ham, and he says Saints will be fine this season.

Now, how am I supposed to interpret that……??
The good news is that Lawro has got us down for a draw at West Ham, and he says Saints will be fine this season. Now, how am I supposed to interpret that……?? Egomaniac
  • Score: 0

1:37pm Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

lowe esteem wrote:
If Jack Cork is good enough- and he is-to sell, then our wonderful 'Sales Team' will sell him, without reference to the 'customers'.
The same should apply to Gaston Ramirez too, but our board does seem to measure things in terms of "beanz" (balance sheets and 'saleability') This applies to a lot of the 'backroom staff' too, so there may not be many left that know enough about our Jack.
So, I will climb up onto the roof of this here building and shout to Ronald:
"WITH RESPECT:THAT JACK CORK IS SOME PLAYER AND MADE A VERY FULLSOME YET UNHERALDED CONTRIBUTION TO OUR RELATIVE SUCCESS LAST YEAR, RON. FROM A FANS PERSPECTIVE WE ONLY SAW GASTON IN GLIMPSES, SO PLEASE TRY AND GET THE BEST FROM HIM WHILST PERSEVERING WITH ONE OF OUR HISTORICALLY BETTER PLAYERS (JACK CORK!) THANK YOU"
Wow! He's shouting, that's scary. He must be right so I agree. Daft old bugger fell off the roof and woke up in SMH convinced he had just made a speech to UEFA about the cost of pies on matchdays.
Anybody visiting do not take fruit - apparently too many creepy crawlies in there already.
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: If Jack Cork is good enough- and he is-to sell, then our wonderful 'Sales Team' will sell him, without reference to the 'customers'. The same should apply to Gaston Ramirez too, but our board does seem to measure things in terms of "beanz" (balance sheets and 'saleability') This applies to a lot of the 'backroom staff' too, so there may not be many left that know enough about our Jack. So, I will climb up onto the roof of this here building and shout to Ronald: "WITH RESPECT:THAT JACK CORK IS SOME PLAYER AND MADE A VERY FULLSOME YET UNHERALDED CONTRIBUTION TO OUR RELATIVE SUCCESS LAST YEAR, RON. FROM A FANS PERSPECTIVE WE ONLY SAW GASTON IN GLIMPSES, SO PLEASE TRY AND GET THE BEST FROM HIM WHILST PERSEVERING WITH ONE OF OUR HISTORICALLY BETTER PLAYERS (JACK CORK!) THANK YOU"[/p][/quote]Wow! He's shouting, that's scary. He must be right so I agree. Daft old bugger fell off the roof and woke up in SMH convinced he had just made a speech to UEFA about the cost of pies on matchdays. Anybody visiting do not take fruit - apparently too many creepy crawlies in there already. jls217
  • Score: -2

1:37pm Fri 29 Aug 14

zurichboy says...

Off topic but.....I see from today's press that Luke Shaw is suddenly "porky and unfit" but that Woy Boy new about that from the beginning (ha ha).
£27m. for a pork pie has got to be one of the best deals ever for us.....
Off topic but.....I see from today's press that Luke Shaw is suddenly "porky and unfit" but that Woy Boy new about that from the beginning (ha ha). £27m. for a pork pie has got to be one of the best deals ever for us..... zurichboy
  • Score: 0

1:43pm Fri 29 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

costa gaz wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs
It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it?

'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out?

How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork.

I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy.

And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings.

Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc.

And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel.

Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.
Tbf, I doubt if Read had anything to do with bringing in Cork or J Rod, he might have been involved in some way.
It was not until Cortese left did he start having a major influence in player recruitment.
He was in charge of kit and maintenance and has kept that role. He is the only football man on our board.. did you know that he never played a single professional match and has only ever managed one club for 2 months, seven games. 1 win 5 defeats.
He has virtually zero respect in the football world and it beggars belief that Cortese ever employed him.
Did you know that Nicola Cortese never played a professional match? Did you know Jose Mourinho didn't play at any worthwhile level? How many football men were on the board before Les joined it?

Blinkered and ill thought out costa, sorry. The comment about kit and maintenance is pathetic and pretty much sums up what I've been saying already - your utter negativity is based on cut and pasting only the bits of information you want to keep and hiding the rest.

Here's the full description of his role before he switched roles: On 16 April 2010 Reed was appointed Head of Football Development and Support at Southampton, overseeing four main areas: the Youth Academy, Scouting and Recruitment, Sports medicine and Science, and Kit and Equipment Management.

I like to take a sensible view of someone's contribution to the club, not pick and choose elements to suit a paper thin, one sided argument. So has his management of scouting, recruitment and the academy been appalling and worthy of the zero respect you're giving him?

I don't blindly support the board by any means, as proven by my posts on here over the summer - but making poorly thought out judgements, particularly before the team has bedded down or the full picture of incomings and outgoings is complete is really very embarrassing.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.[/p][/quote]You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion. The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them? I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.[/p][/quote]Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs[/p][/quote]It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it? 'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out? How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork. I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy. And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings. Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc. And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel. Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.[/p][/quote]Tbf, I doubt if Read had anything to do with bringing in Cork or J Rod, he might have been involved in some way. It was not until Cortese left did he start having a major influence in player recruitment. He was in charge of kit and maintenance and has kept that role. He is the only football man on our board.. did you know that he never played a single professional match and has only ever managed one club for 2 months, seven games. 1 win 5 defeats. He has virtually zero respect in the football world and it beggars belief that Cortese ever employed him.[/p][/quote]Did you know that Nicola Cortese never played a professional match? Did you know Jose Mourinho didn't play at any worthwhile level? How many football men were on the board before Les joined it? Blinkered and ill thought out costa, sorry. The comment about kit and maintenance is pathetic and pretty much sums up what I've been saying already - your utter negativity is based on cut and pasting only the bits of information you want to keep and hiding the rest. Here's the full description of his role before he switched roles: On 16 April 2010 Reed was appointed Head of Football Development and Support at Southampton, overseeing four main areas: the Youth Academy, Scouting and Recruitment, Sports medicine and Science, and Kit and Equipment Management. I like to take a sensible view of someone's contribution to the club, not pick and choose elements to suit a paper thin, one sided argument. So has his management of scouting, recruitment and the academy been appalling and worthy of the zero respect you're giving him? I don't blindly support the board by any means, as proven by my posts on here over the summer - but making poorly thought out judgements, particularly before the team has bedded down or the full picture of incomings and outgoings is complete is really very embarrassing. SaintJD
  • Score: 4

1:57pm Fri 29 Aug 14

right back in the bar says...

costa gaz wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs
It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it?

'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out?

How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork.

I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy.

And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings.

Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc.

And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel.

Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.
Tbf, I doubt if Read had anything to do with bringing in Cork or J Rod, he might have been involved in some way.
It was not until Cortese left did he start having a major influence in player recruitment.
He was in charge of kit and maintenance and has kept that role. He is the only football man on our board.. did you know that he never played a single professional match and has only ever managed one club for 2 months, seven games. 1 win 5 defeats.
He has virtually zero respect in the football world and it beggars belief that Cortese ever employed him.
Unpalatable but factual. Reed is considered somewhat of a menace by clubs/people who he's worked in the past. But up he pops again in a slightly different guise and he contrived to grow his influence at StMs post Cortese. Anyone who reads my posts (and there aren't many - I do seem to unintentionally offend people when all I am trying to do is provoke (or be funny even)) will know I seriously doubted him.
That said if he has been the main influence in player acquisitions he hasn't done too badly - Forster is a great signing, Tadic is a gem, Bertrand excellent, and Taider will also play a big part. 12m for Long was too much but we are not the only ones (10m for McCormack!!!)
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.[/p][/quote]You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion. The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them? I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.[/p][/quote]Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs[/p][/quote]It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it? 'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out? How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork. I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy. And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings. Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc. And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel. Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.[/p][/quote]Tbf, I doubt if Read had anything to do with bringing in Cork or J Rod, he might have been involved in some way. It was not until Cortese left did he start having a major influence in player recruitment. He was in charge of kit and maintenance and has kept that role. He is the only football man on our board.. did you know that he never played a single professional match and has only ever managed one club for 2 months, seven games. 1 win 5 defeats. He has virtually zero respect in the football world and it beggars belief that Cortese ever employed him.[/p][/quote]Unpalatable but factual. Reed is considered somewhat of a menace by clubs/people who he's worked in the past. But up he pops again in a slightly different guise and he contrived to grow his influence at StMs post Cortese. Anyone who reads my posts (and there aren't many - I do seem to unintentionally offend people when all I am trying to do is provoke (or be funny even)) will know I seriously doubted him. That said if he has been the main influence in player acquisitions he hasn't done too badly - Forster is a great signing, Tadic is a gem, Bertrand excellent, and Taider will also play a big part. 12m for Long was too much but we are not the only ones (10m for McCormack!!!) right back in the bar
  • Score: 3

1:59pm Fri 29 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

Here we are. Three games into the season and players are being slagged off right, left and centre. We have got a new manager/coaching staff, who will want to play the game the way they see is appropriate. So,basically the team is under a new regime which will influence performance. On the number of times I have seen Gaston play, I was under the impression that he was always played out of position. When he started his career he was a centre forward. So please get off the players backs and give them proper support, not negativity. In Ron we trust!
Here we are. Three games into the season and players are being slagged off right, left and centre. We have got a new manager/coaching staff, who will want to play the game the way they see is appropriate. So,basically the team is under a new regime which will influence performance. On the number of times I have seen Gaston play, I was under the impression that he was always played out of position. When he started his career he was a centre forward. So please get off the players backs and give them proper support, not negativity. In Ron we trust! echo1948
  • Score: 2

2:19pm Fri 29 Aug 14

just kidding says...

lowe esteem wrote:
If Jack Cork is good enough- and he is-to sell, then our wonderful 'Sales Team' will sell him, without reference to the 'customers'.
The same should apply to Gaston Ramirez too, but our board does seem to measure things in terms of "beanz" (balance sheets and 'saleability') This applies to a lot of the 'backroom staff' too, so there may not be many left that know enough about our Jack.
So, I will climb up onto the roof of this here building and shout to Ronald:
"WITH RESPECT:THAT JACK CORK IS SOME PLAYER AND MADE A VERY FULLSOME YET UNHERALDED CONTRIBUTION TO OUR RELATIVE SUCCESS LAST YEAR, RON. FROM A FANS PERSPECTIVE WE ONLY SAW GASTON IN GLIMPSES, SO PLEASE TRY AND GET THE BEST FROM HIM WHILST PERSEVERING WITH ONE OF OUR HISTORICALLY BETTER PLAYERS (JACK CORK!) THANK YOU"
Yikes that certainly woke me up! Do what now?
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: If Jack Cork is good enough- and he is-to sell, then our wonderful 'Sales Team' will sell him, without reference to the 'customers'. The same should apply to Gaston Ramirez too, but our board does seem to measure things in terms of "beanz" (balance sheets and 'saleability') This applies to a lot of the 'backroom staff' too, so there may not be many left that know enough about our Jack. So, I will climb up onto the roof of this here building and shout to Ronald: "WITH RESPECT:THAT JACK CORK IS SOME PLAYER AND MADE A VERY FULLSOME YET UNHERALDED CONTRIBUTION TO OUR RELATIVE SUCCESS LAST YEAR, RON. FROM A FANS PERSPECTIVE WE ONLY SAW GASTON IN GLIMPSES, SO PLEASE TRY AND GET THE BEST FROM HIM WHILST PERSEVERING WITH ONE OF OUR HISTORICALLY BETTER PLAYERS (JACK CORK!) THANK YOU"[/p][/quote]Yikes that certainly woke me up! Do what now? just kidding
  • Score: 0

2:31pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Simms1 says...

Cork is our totem.

He has heralded on our our rise from Championship to premiership ( played all 46 games) and was a huge part on ensuring our survival in the first year of the premiership and then finished last seasons as one of main two CMs. To say he has to earn a contract is offensive as it betrays those last three years. I think 99% of players would have told the management to f%*) off by now. But yet he doesn't.

He is a throwback to a different era and deserves a lot more from the club. The true fans know this and wish they had 10 more like him........

If he does leave then good luck to him, and who could blame him as he has been nothing but loyal and true.....
Cork is our totem. He has heralded on our our rise from Championship to premiership ( played all 46 games) and was a huge part on ensuring our survival in the first year of the premiership and then finished last seasons as one of main two CMs. To say he has to earn a contract is offensive as it betrays those last three years. I think 99% of players would have told the management to f%*) off by now. But yet he doesn't. He is a throwback to a different era and deserves a lot more from the club. The true fans know this and wish they had 10 more like him........ If he does leave then good luck to him, and who could blame him as he has been nothing but loyal and true..... Simms1
  • Score: 1

2:39pm Fri 29 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs
It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it?

'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out?

How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork.

I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy.

And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings.

Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc.

And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel.

Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.
Tbf, I doubt if Read had anything to do with bringing in Cork or J Rod, he might have been involved in some way.
It was not until Cortese left did he start having a major influence in player recruitment.
He was in charge of kit and maintenance and has kept that role. He is the only football man on our board.. did you know that he never played a single professional match and has only ever managed one club for 2 months, seven games. 1 win 5 defeats.
He has virtually zero respect in the football world and it beggars belief that Cortese ever employed him.
Did you know that Nicola Cortese never played a professional match? Did you know Jose Mourinho didn't play at any worthwhile level? How many football men were on the board before Les joined it?

Blinkered and ill thought out costa, sorry. The comment about kit and maintenance is pathetic and pretty much sums up what I've been saying already - your utter negativity is based on cut and pasting only the bits of information you want to keep and hiding the rest.

Here's the full description of his role before he switched roles: On 16 April 2010 Reed was appointed Head of Football Development and Support at Southampton, overseeing four main areas: the Youth Academy, Scouting and Recruitment, Sports medicine and Science, and Kit and Equipment Management.

I like to take a sensible view of someone's contribution to the club, not pick and choose elements to suit a paper thin, one sided argument. So has his management of scouting, recruitment and the academy been appalling and worthy of the zero respect you're giving him?

I don't blindly support the board by any means, as proven by my posts on here over the summer - but making poorly thought out judgements, particularly before the team has bedded down or the full picture of incomings and outgoings is complete is really very embarrassing.
As I said, zero respect by football people,not just me.
And please don't be embarrassed by my opinions.
Be embarrassed that we have Les Read running our club.... a footballing joke.
Kevin Keegans tactical advisor during his England regime. LOL
If you ever hear of anyone, in football, praising this buffoon please let me know.
The england players thought he was an idiot during his time there, wonder what Charlton fans and the owner thought of him.

Ever read The Official FA Guide to Basic Team Coaching? That's his book, priced at only £0.01 at all good book stores.

Just rather he was at another football club and not mine.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.[/p][/quote]You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion. The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them? I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.[/p][/quote]Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs[/p][/quote]It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it? 'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out? How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork. I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy. And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings. Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc. And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel. Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.[/p][/quote]Tbf, I doubt if Read had anything to do with bringing in Cork or J Rod, he might have been involved in some way. It was not until Cortese left did he start having a major influence in player recruitment. He was in charge of kit and maintenance and has kept that role. He is the only football man on our board.. did you know that he never played a single professional match and has only ever managed one club for 2 months, seven games. 1 win 5 defeats. He has virtually zero respect in the football world and it beggars belief that Cortese ever employed him.[/p][/quote]Did you know that Nicola Cortese never played a professional match? Did you know Jose Mourinho didn't play at any worthwhile level? How many football men were on the board before Les joined it? Blinkered and ill thought out costa, sorry. The comment about kit and maintenance is pathetic and pretty much sums up what I've been saying already - your utter negativity is based on cut and pasting only the bits of information you want to keep and hiding the rest. Here's the full description of his role before he switched roles: On 16 April 2010 Reed was appointed Head of Football Development and Support at Southampton, overseeing four main areas: the Youth Academy, Scouting and Recruitment, Sports medicine and Science, and Kit and Equipment Management. I like to take a sensible view of someone's contribution to the club, not pick and choose elements to suit a paper thin, one sided argument. So has his management of scouting, recruitment and the academy been appalling and worthy of the zero respect you're giving him? I don't blindly support the board by any means, as proven by my posts on here over the summer - but making poorly thought out judgements, particularly before the team has bedded down or the full picture of incomings and outgoings is complete is really very embarrassing.[/p][/quote]As I said, zero respect by football people,not just me. And please don't be embarrassed by my opinions. Be embarrassed that we have Les Read running our club.... a footballing joke. Kevin Keegans tactical advisor during his England regime. LOL If you ever hear of anyone, in football, praising this buffoon please let me know. The england players thought he was an idiot during his time there, wonder what Charlton fans and the owner thought of him. Ever read The Official FA Guide to Basic Team Coaching? That's his book, priced at only £0.01 at all good book stores. Just rather he was at another football club and not mine. costa gaz
  • Score: -4

2:40pm Fri 29 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

Three games in and putting results to one side I do not like our football, sorry there it is…

..even when we were getting battered by naive defending first year back in premiership we still looked good and were definately to good to go down…

..whether we are to good to go down this time remains to be seen but it is not pleasent watching….

..one good half out of six is telling me something, i am sure the usuaul platitude about gelling etc will be wheeled out yet was the appointment of RK supposed to be all about continuity of the Southampton way, did we not have scores of players identified who would step right in…

..Do not forget quality players rarely need time they hit the ground running, Tadic and Forster have but this covers 2 of the 5 we lost...
Three games in and putting results to one side I do not like our football, sorry there it is… ..even when we were getting battered by naive defending first year back in premiership we still looked good and were definately to good to go down… ..whether we are to good to go down this time remains to be seen but it is not pleasent watching…. ..one good half out of six is telling me something, i am sure the usuaul platitude about gelling etc will be wheeled out yet was the appointment of RK supposed to be all about continuity of the Southampton way, did we not have scores of players identified who would step right in… ..Do not forget quality players rarely need time they hit the ground running, Tadic and Forster have but this covers 2 of the 5 we lost... warrens 76
  • Score: -2

2:42pm Fri 29 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Three games in and putting results to one side I do not like our football, sorry there it is…

..even when we were getting battered by naive defending first year back in premiership we still looked good and were definately to good to go down…

..whether we are to good to go down this time remains to be seen but it is not pleasent watching….

..one good half out of six is telling me something, i am sure the usuaul platitude about gelling etc will be wheeled out yet was the appointment of RK supposed to be all about continuity of the Southampton way, did we not have scores of players identified who would step right in…

..Do not forget quality players rarely need time they hit the ground running, Tadic and Forster have but this covers 2 of the 5 we lost...
And one is a goalkeeper !! Boruc was not really at the top of the replacemnt agenda ..
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Three games in and putting results to one side I do not like our football, sorry there it is… ..even when we were getting battered by naive defending first year back in premiership we still looked good and were definately to good to go down… ..whether we are to good to go down this time remains to be seen but it is not pleasent watching…. ..one good half out of six is telling me something, i am sure the usuaul platitude about gelling etc will be wheeled out yet was the appointment of RK supposed to be all about continuity of the Southampton way, did we not have scores of players identified who would step right in… ..Do not forget quality players rarely need time they hit the ground running, Tadic and Forster have but this covers 2 of the 5 we lost...[/p][/quote]And one is a goalkeeper !! Boruc was not really at the top of the replacemnt agenda .. warrens 76
  • Score: -5

2:49pm Fri 29 Aug 14

right back in the bar says...

Simms1 wrote:
Cork is our totem.

He has heralded on our our rise from Championship to premiership ( played all 46 games) and was a huge part on ensuring our survival in the first year of the premiership and then finished last seasons as one of main two CMs. To say he has to earn a contract is offensive as it betrays those last three years. I think 99% of players would have told the management to f%*) off by now. But yet he doesn't.

He is a throwback to a different era and deserves a lot more from the club. The true fans know this and wish they had 10 more like him........

If he does leave then good luck to him, and who could blame him as he has been nothing but loyal and true.....
Not sure if his loyalty has been tested - if a club offered him a big hike in wages what would he do?. But yes I agree with what you say. He's a good pro and a good footballer who has made a massive contribution. Unfortunately there is no room for sentiment in the modern game (sorry for sounding like a pundit) and it would seem that neither players nor clubs value/respect loyalty - works both ways. I do think it will be sorted with Jack; I think the club just has its hands full trying to get some more players in .
[quote][p][bold]Simms1[/bold] wrote: Cork is our totem. He has heralded on our our rise from Championship to premiership ( played all 46 games) and was a huge part on ensuring our survival in the first year of the premiership and then finished last seasons as one of main two CMs. To say he has to earn a contract is offensive as it betrays those last three years. I think 99% of players would have told the management to f%*) off by now. But yet he doesn't. He is a throwback to a different era and deserves a lot more from the club. The true fans know this and wish they had 10 more like him........ If he does leave then good luck to him, and who could blame him as he has been nothing but loyal and true.....[/p][/quote]Not sure if his loyalty has been tested - if a club offered him a big hike in wages what would he do?. But yes I agree with what you say. He's a good pro and a good footballer who has made a massive contribution. Unfortunately there is no room for sentiment in the modern game (sorry for sounding like a pundit) and it would seem that neither players nor clubs value/respect loyalty - works both ways. I do think it will be sorted with Jack; I think the club just has its hands full trying to get some more players in . right back in the bar
  • Score: -1

2:53pm Fri 29 Aug 14

saintthomas says...

StopMoaningPeople wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
jls217 wrote:
StopMoaningPeople wrote:
I think he is wRONg about Gaston and we need to get rid ASAP!! Not suited to the english game I'm afraid.
You may end up being proved right mate only time will tell. I'd like to see him given a greater chance to prove/adapt than he's had so far. He's been here a little while now but don't forget the injury he picked up and then made worse when he came back (maybe too soon, trying to prove himself worthy of a place) That was a bloody horrible injury - when I saw it I thought he'd smashed the ankle for sure. That sort of injury can last for years niggling away every time you feel confident about it and for sure that's an injury that will catch up with him by the time he's 35-40 - he will for sure never forget that tackle. I can only hope you're wrong but concede you could just be right.
Think that hits the nail on the head and Ron's assessment is great, but it all relies on Gaston getting a run without picking up little knocks. If he can't manage that, he'll never fire.

His other slight problem is going to be battling for his place because, like Cork, he's competing for a place against Tadic (can't see us playing both). That's going to be a tough ask.

So he basically needs to show more fitness and more fight than he has so far. It's clear the guy has quality and technique (regardless of that odd, suspicious post from someone above).
He's just lazy, which is why he's not suited to the english game. It happens a lot with spanish players.
Isn't he from Uruguay? Didn't you think so?
Isn't it a little bit of shame, when you argue on this way to a saintsplayer
if you not knowing wich homecountry is his?
Are you sammy with another nickname???

Up the Saints till i die!
[quote][p][bold]StopMoaningPeople[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopMoaningPeople[/bold] wrote: I think he is wRONg about Gaston and we need to get rid ASAP!! Not suited to the english game I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]You may end up being proved right mate only time will tell. I'd like to see him given a greater chance to prove/adapt than he's had so far. He's been here a little while now but don't forget the injury he picked up and then made worse when he came back (maybe too soon, trying to prove himself worthy of a place) That was a bloody horrible injury - when I saw it I thought he'd smashed the ankle for sure. That sort of injury can last for years niggling away every time you feel confident about it and for sure that's an injury that will catch up with him by the time he's 35-40 - he will for sure never forget that tackle. I can only hope you're wrong but concede you could just be right.[/p][/quote]Think that hits the nail on the head and Ron's assessment is great, but it all relies on Gaston getting a run without picking up little knocks. If he can't manage that, he'll never fire. His other slight problem is going to be battling for his place because, like Cork, he's competing for a place against Tadic (can't see us playing both). That's going to be a tough ask. So he basically needs to show more fitness and more fight than he has so far. It's clear the guy has quality and technique (regardless of that odd, suspicious post from someone above).[/p][/quote]He's just lazy, which is why he's not suited to the english game. It happens a lot with spanish players.[/p][/quote]Isn't he from Uruguay? Didn't you think so? Isn't it a little bit of shame, when you argue on this way to a saintsplayer if you not knowing wich homecountry is his? Are you sammy with another nickname??? Up the Saints till i die! saintthomas
  • Score: 2

2:58pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mush On The Beach says...

Gaston is in charge of his own destiny. Does he want to push himself to become the best player he could be in the most demanding top league in Europe?
OR
Does he want to slip back in to a comfort zone of a safer European league and take an easy pay cheque?

I’ve always stated I would love to see him step up from the level he has displayed so far and become a true Saint to be remembered. Hopefully Ron installs the belief in him and gives him the run of games to prove himself and he stays fit and he applies himself.

A proper litmus test for us tomorrow against the Hammers. No excuses, they have a number of their first team players out injured. Three points please Saint Ron.
Gaston is in charge of his own destiny. Does he want to push himself to become the best player he could be in the most demanding top league in Europe? OR Does he want to slip back in to a comfort zone of a safer European league and take an easy pay cheque? I’ve always stated I would love to see him step up from the level he has displayed so far and become a true Saint to be remembered. Hopefully Ron installs the belief in him and gives him the run of games to prove himself and he stays fit and he applies himself. A proper litmus test for us tomorrow against the Hammers. No excuses, they have a number of their first team players out injured. Three points please Saint Ron. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 0

3:00pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

SaintJD wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs
It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it?

'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out?

How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork.

I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy.

And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings.

Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc.

And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel.

Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.
How can you be sure who was responsible for which signings? Whoever it was, Saints signing have been a mixture of the brilliant to the very poor, which I think is pretty much the same as very other club.

BTW, why do so many people believe that Lee cost us money? He came on a free.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.[/p][/quote]You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion. The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them? I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.[/p][/quote]Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs[/p][/quote]It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it? 'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out? How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork. I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy. And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings. Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc. And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel. Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.[/p][/quote]How can you be sure who was responsible for which signings? Whoever it was, Saints signing have been a mixture of the brilliant to the very poor, which I think is pretty much the same as very other club. BTW, why do so many people believe that Lee cost us money? He came on a free. Rising_Son
  • Score: -1

3:07pm Fri 29 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs
It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it?

'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out?

How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork.

I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy.

And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings.

Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc.

And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel.

Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.
Tbf, I doubt if Read had anything to do with bringing in Cork or J Rod, he might have been involved in some way.
It was not until Cortese left did he start having a major influence in player recruitment.
He was in charge of kit and maintenance and has kept that role. He is the only football man on our board.. did you know that he never played a single professional match and has only ever managed one club for 2 months, seven games. 1 win 5 defeats.
He has virtually zero respect in the football world and it beggars belief that Cortese ever employed him.
Did you know that Nicola Cortese never played a professional match? Did you know Jose Mourinho didn't play at any worthwhile level? How many football men were on the board before Les joined it?

Blinkered and ill thought out costa, sorry. The comment about kit and maintenance is pathetic and pretty much sums up what I've been saying already - your utter negativity is based on cut and pasting only the bits of information you want to keep and hiding the rest.

Here's the full description of his role before he switched roles: On 16 April 2010 Reed was appointed Head of Football Development and Support at Southampton, overseeing four main areas: the Youth Academy, Scouting and Recruitment, Sports medicine and Science, and Kit and Equipment Management.

I like to take a sensible view of someone's contribution to the club, not pick and choose elements to suit a paper thin, one sided argument. So has his management of scouting, recruitment and the academy been appalling and worthy of the zero respect you're giving him?

I don't blindly support the board by any means, as proven by my posts on here over the summer - but making poorly thought out judgements, particularly before the team has bedded down or the full picture of incomings and outgoings is complete is really very embarrassing.
I just re-read this and realised that you have compared Read with Mourinho.

End of chat i'm afraid. .
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.[/p][/quote]You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion. The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them? I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.[/p][/quote]Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs[/p][/quote]It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it? 'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out? How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork. I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy. And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings. Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc. And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel. Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.[/p][/quote]Tbf, I doubt if Read had anything to do with bringing in Cork or J Rod, he might have been involved in some way. It was not until Cortese left did he start having a major influence in player recruitment. He was in charge of kit and maintenance and has kept that role. He is the only football man on our board.. did you know that he never played a single professional match and has only ever managed one club for 2 months, seven games. 1 win 5 defeats. He has virtually zero respect in the football world and it beggars belief that Cortese ever employed him.[/p][/quote]Did you know that Nicola Cortese never played a professional match? Did you know Jose Mourinho didn't play at any worthwhile level? How many football men were on the board before Les joined it? Blinkered and ill thought out costa, sorry. The comment about kit and maintenance is pathetic and pretty much sums up what I've been saying already - your utter negativity is based on cut and pasting only the bits of information you want to keep and hiding the rest. Here's the full description of his role before he switched roles: On 16 April 2010 Reed was appointed Head of Football Development and Support at Southampton, overseeing four main areas: the Youth Academy, Scouting and Recruitment, Sports medicine and Science, and Kit and Equipment Management. I like to take a sensible view of someone's contribution to the club, not pick and choose elements to suit a paper thin, one sided argument. So has his management of scouting, recruitment and the academy been appalling and worthy of the zero respect you're giving him? I don't blindly support the board by any means, as proven by my posts on here over the summer - but making poorly thought out judgements, particularly before the team has bedded down or the full picture of incomings and outgoings is complete is really very embarrassing.[/p][/quote]I just re-read this and realised that you have compared Read with Mourinho. End of chat i'm afraid. . costa gaz
  • Score: -4

3:10pm Fri 29 Aug 14

CB FRY LIVES says...

fascia123 wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
How long have you supported Saints. Under Nigel Adkins and during M.Poxytino's first half season at the club Jack Cork was a regular first eleven player.
Only since the arrival of Victor W. has Jack become more of a fixture on the subs bench.
Whether he was a Les Reed signing or not is irrelevant. He remains an important member of our squad and if the club do not offer him a new contract there are plenty of other clubs who will. Last season Fulham wanted him. More recently West Brom, ,Swansea and Palace have expressed an interest. If the powers that be are stupid enough to let him go to one of our rivals then that decision could well come back to bite the club on the backside.
Meanwhile 3 poinys for the SAINTS VERSUS WEST HAM.
COYRAWS
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.[/p][/quote]You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion. The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them? I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.[/p][/quote]How long have you supported Saints. Under Nigel Adkins and during M.Poxytino's first half season at the club Jack Cork was a regular first eleven player. Only since the arrival of Victor W. has Jack become more of a fixture on the subs bench. Whether he was a Les Reed signing or not is irrelevant. He remains an important member of our squad and if the club do not offer him a new contract there are plenty of other clubs who will. Last season Fulham wanted him. More recently West Brom, ,Swansea and Palace have expressed an interest. If the powers that be are stupid enough to let him go to one of our rivals then that decision could well come back to bite the club on the backside. Meanwhile 3 poinys for the SAINTS VERSUS WEST HAM. COYRAWS CB FRY LIVES
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3:13pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

Egomaniac wrote:
The good news is that Lawro has got us down for a draw at West Ham, and he says Saints will be fine this season.

Now, how am I supposed to interpret that……??
Someone is ghost writing his column this week while he is in a clinic having his face regrouted. They have no idea and are making suggestions based on fact ... they will have to get used to using the dice and horoscopes if they do the job for more than a couple of weeks.

For heavens sake the very fabric of reason is collapsing around us!!
[quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: The good news is that Lawro has got us down for a draw at West Ham, and he says Saints will be fine this season. Now, how am I supposed to interpret that……??[/p][/quote]Someone is ghost writing his column this week while he is in a clinic having his face regrouted. They have no idea and are making suggestions based on fact ... they will have to get used to using the dice and horoscopes if they do the job for more than a couple of weeks. For heavens sake the very fabric of reason is collapsing around us!! Alicesdad
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3:16pm Fri 29 Aug 14

redandy10 says...

Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager.

Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask!

I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances.

The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.
Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager. Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask! I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances. The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game. redandy10
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3:21pm Fri 29 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

redandy10 wrote:
Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager.

Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask!

I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances.

The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.
No one blames RoKO the board and inadequate management who left him with this problem is another matter…moreover if Mo Po was hedging why was the successor not lined up earlier..no brainer if i thought it was possible that a senior member of staff was offski whether true or not the candidates would have already been lined up.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager. Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask! I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances. The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.[/p][/quote]No one blames RoKO the board and inadequate management who left him with this problem is another matter…moreover if Mo Po was hedging why was the successor not lined up earlier..no brainer if i thought it was possible that a senior member of staff was offski whether true or not the candidates would have already been lined up. warrens 76
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3:21pm Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

costa gaz wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
To answer your question, jack Cork made 46 appearances in 2011/12.
28 in 2012/13 and 28 last season... was he first choice under any of the previous 3 managers... looks like he was.
What he started in all those games, which would equate to first choice, how many were covering injury to Vic and Spyder and how many were as a sub, I think when you look at the picture again your stats won't stack up the same.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.[/p][/quote]You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion. The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them? I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.[/p][/quote]To answer your question, jack Cork made 46 appearances in 2011/12. 28 in 2012/13 and 28 last season... was he first choice under any of the previous 3 managers... looks like he was.[/p][/quote]What he started in all those games, which would equate to first choice, how many were covering injury to Vic and Spyder and how many were as a sub, I think when you look at the picture again your stats won't stack up the same. fascia123
  • Score: -2

3:21pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Chapperall says...

zurichboy wrote:
Off topic but.....I see from today's press that Luke Shaw is suddenly "porky and unfit" but that Woy Boy new about that from the beginning (ha ha).
£27m. for a pork pie has got to be one of the best deals ever for us.....
Yes it would seem Shaw had had too many burgers celebrating his hike in wages to be a bench warmer at Manure. I sense the new manager doesn't rate him and he could be another bright hope like Zaha who's playing career nose dived due to lack of match time.
The same will apply to Ricky who has already become a bit part player. As has been said on many occasions the grass is not always greener unless all you want is more cash in the bank!
[quote][p][bold]zurichboy[/bold] wrote: Off topic but.....I see from today's press that Luke Shaw is suddenly "porky and unfit" but that Woy Boy new about that from the beginning (ha ha). £27m. for a pork pie has got to be one of the best deals ever for us.....[/p][/quote]Yes it would seem Shaw had had too many burgers celebrating his hike in wages to be a bench warmer at Manure. I sense the new manager doesn't rate him and he could be another bright hope like Zaha who's playing career nose dived due to lack of match time. The same will apply to Ricky who has already become a bit part player. As has been said on many occasions the grass is not always greener unless all you want is more cash in the bank! Chapperall
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3:22pm Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

right back in the bar wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs
It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it?

'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out?

How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork.

I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy.

And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings.

Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc.

And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel.

Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.
Tbf, I doubt if Read had anything to do with bringing in Cork or J Rod, he might have been involved in some way.
It was not until Cortese left did he start having a major influence in player recruitment.
He was in charge of kit and maintenance and has kept that role. He is the only football man on our board.. did you know that he never played a single professional match and has only ever managed one club for 2 months, seven games. 1 win 5 defeats.
He has virtually zero respect in the football world and it beggars belief that Cortese ever employed him.
Unpalatable but factual. Reed is considered somewhat of a menace by clubs/people who he's worked in the past. But up he pops again in a slightly different guise and he contrived to grow his influence at StMs post Cortese. Anyone who reads my posts (and there aren't many - I do seem to unintentionally offend people when all I am trying to do is provoke (or be funny even)) will know I seriously doubted him.
That said if he has been the main influence in player acquisitions he hasn't done too badly - Forster is a great signing, Tadic is a gem, Bertrand excellent, and Taider will also play a big part. 12m for Long was too much but we are not the only ones (10m for McCormack!!!)
Sri but you just can't come on here name an individual, do a character assassination knowing that individual is not here to defend himself. Then finish by throwing the one positive you have.
Now I am no disciple of Les Reed but I am a disciple what's fair. The evidence for the latter part of our post is here for us to digest and decide for ourselves - I'll agree that most of the signings at first glance seem fine but the proof of that pudding is in the eating and I will have to say too early to be absolutely certain just yet.
The former part of your post does you no justice mate and leaves me thinking I need evidence of what you report here as facts. Show me the quotes from experts who ave worked alongside the man, (not newspaper allegations or dirt - cold hard facts if you please. I may end up being swayed by your post or I may have something impolite to say re your post so please supply it or leave off the character assassination - not right on any level.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.[/p][/quote]You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion. The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them? I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.[/p][/quote]Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs[/p][/quote]It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it? 'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out? How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork. I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy. And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings. Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc. And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel. Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.[/p][/quote]Tbf, I doubt if Read had anything to do with bringing in Cork or J Rod, he might have been involved in some way. It was not until Cortese left did he start having a major influence in player recruitment. He was in charge of kit and maintenance and has kept that role. He is the only football man on our board.. did you know that he never played a single professional match and has only ever managed one club for 2 months, seven games. 1 win 5 defeats. He has virtually zero respect in the football world and it beggars belief that Cortese ever employed him.[/p][/quote]Unpalatable but factual. Reed is considered somewhat of a menace by clubs/people who he's worked in the past. But up he pops again in a slightly different guise and he contrived to grow his influence at StMs post Cortese. Anyone who reads my posts (and there aren't many - I do seem to unintentionally offend people when all I am trying to do is provoke (or be funny even)) will know I seriously doubted him. That said if he has been the main influence in player acquisitions he hasn't done too badly - Forster is a great signing, Tadic is a gem, Bertrand excellent, and Taider will also play a big part. 12m for Long was too much but we are not the only ones (10m for McCormack!!!)[/p][/quote]Sri but you just can't come on here name an individual, do a character assassination knowing that individual is not here to defend himself. Then finish by throwing the one positive you have. Now I am no disciple of Les Reed but I am a disciple what's fair. The evidence for the latter part of our post is here for us to digest and decide for ourselves - I'll agree that most of the signings at first glance seem fine but the proof of that pudding is in the eating and I will have to say too early to be absolutely certain just yet. The former part of your post does you no justice mate and leaves me thinking I need evidence of what you report here as facts. Show me the quotes from experts who ave worked alongside the man, (not newspaper allegations or dirt - cold hard facts if you please. I may end up being swayed by your post or I may have something impolite to say re your post so please supply it or leave off the character assassination - not right on any level. jls217
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3:28pm Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites.

I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club.

Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans.

COYR!
As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct.

Have you managed a professional football club?

Have you played professional football?

Have you worked at board level for a professional football club?

Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club?

You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club.

Where did you get that knowledge from?

For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC

Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club.

That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.
Well said George,opinions are to be debated,not slated, if its an opinion,who's to say who is right or wrong,till it has been disproven,or debated to a consensus.
Good morning, did you read Saint PC response?
No sorry fascia,I was debating Creationalism v Evolutionism on another thread. Two cracking teams,the Creates just edging it in (and it is only in) my opinion.
I've just scrolled back and checked it out fascia...sounds like an Evolutionist to me. ;0)
I haven't had my afternoon tipple yet, that might all might be to heavy for me man.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites. I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club. Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans. COYR![/p][/quote]As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct. Have you managed a professional football club? Have you played professional football? Have you worked at board level for a professional football club? Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club? You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club. Where did you get that knowledge from? For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club. That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.[/p][/quote]Well said George,opinions are to be debated,not slated, if its an opinion,who's to say who is right or wrong,till it has been disproven,or debated to a consensus.[/p][/quote]Good morning, did you read Saint PC response?[/p][/quote]No sorry fascia,I was debating Creationalism v Evolutionism on another thread. Two cracking teams,the Creates just edging it in (and it is only in) my opinion.[/p][/quote]I've just scrolled back and checked it out fascia...sounds like an Evolutionist to me. ;0)[/p][/quote]I haven't had my afternoon tipple yet, that might all might be to heavy for me man. fascia123
  • Score: -3

3:37pm Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

right back in the bar wrote:
Simms1 wrote:
Cork is our totem.

He has heralded on our our rise from Championship to premiership ( played all 46 games) and was a huge part on ensuring our survival in the first year of the premiership and then finished last seasons as one of main two CMs. To say he has to earn a contract is offensive as it betrays those last three years. I think 99% of players would have told the management to f%*) off by now. But yet he doesn't.

He is a throwback to a different era and deserves a lot more from the club. The true fans know this and wish they had 10 more like him........

If he does leave then good luck to him, and who could blame him as he has been nothing but loyal and true.....
Not sure if his loyalty has been tested - if a club offered him a big hike in wages what would he do?. But yes I agree with what you say. He's a good pro and a good footballer who has made a massive contribution. Unfortunately there is no room for sentiment in the modern game (sorry for sounding like a pundit) and it would seem that neither players nor clubs value/respect loyalty - works both ways. I do think it will be sorted with Jack; I think the club just has its hands full trying to get some more players in .
No room for sentiment. Is that why Lambert is still playing for us then.

Oh no we let him go for sentimental reasons or so we're led to believe.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simms1[/bold] wrote: Cork is our totem. He has heralded on our our rise from Championship to premiership ( played all 46 games) and was a huge part on ensuring our survival in the first year of the premiership and then finished last seasons as one of main two CMs. To say he has to earn a contract is offensive as it betrays those last three years. I think 99% of players would have told the management to f%*) off by now. But yet he doesn't. He is a throwback to a different era and deserves a lot more from the club. The true fans know this and wish they had 10 more like him........ If he does leave then good luck to him, and who could blame him as he has been nothing but loyal and true.....[/p][/quote]Not sure if his loyalty has been tested - if a club offered him a big hike in wages what would he do?. But yes I agree with what you say. He's a good pro and a good footballer who has made a massive contribution. Unfortunately there is no room for sentiment in the modern game (sorry for sounding like a pundit) and it would seem that neither players nor clubs value/respect loyalty - works both ways. I do think it will be sorted with Jack; I think the club just has its hands full trying to get some more players in .[/p][/quote]No room for sentiment. Is that why Lambert is still playing for us then. Oh no we let him go for sentimental reasons or so we're led to believe. jls217
  • Score: -4

3:43pm Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites.

I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club.

Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans.

COYR!
As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct.

Have you managed a professional football club?

Have you played professional football?

Have you worked at board level for a professional football club?

Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club?

You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club.

Where did you get that knowledge from?

For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC

Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club.

That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.
Well said George,opinions are to be debated,not slated, if its an opinion,who's to say who is right or wrong,till it has been disproven,or debated to a consensus.
Good morning, did you read Saint PC response?
No sorry fascia,I was debating Creationalism v Evolutionism on another thread. Two cracking teams,the Creates just edging it in (and it is only in) my opinion.
I've just scrolled back and checked it out fascia...sounds like an Evolutionist to me. ;0)
I haven't had my afternoon tipple yet, that might all might be to heavy for me man.
God reading that back I might well of already had my afternoon tipple.

It should say.

Haven't had my afternoon tipple yet, that all sounds a bit heavy to me man.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites. I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club. Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans. COYR![/p][/quote]As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct. Have you managed a professional football club? Have you played professional football? Have you worked at board level for a professional football club? Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club? You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club. Where did you get that knowledge from? For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club. That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.[/p][/quote]Well said George,opinions are to be debated,not slated, if its an opinion,who's to say who is right or wrong,till it has been disproven,or debated to a consensus.[/p][/quote]Good morning, did you read Saint PC response?[/p][/quote]No sorry fascia,I was debating Creationalism v Evolutionism on another thread. Two cracking teams,the Creates just edging it in (and it is only in) my opinion.[/p][/quote]I've just scrolled back and checked it out fascia...sounds like an Evolutionist to me. ;0)[/p][/quote]I haven't had my afternoon tipple yet, that might all might be to heavy for me man.[/p][/quote]God reading that back I might well of already had my afternoon tipple. It should say. Haven't had my afternoon tipple yet, that all sounds a bit heavy to me man. fascia123
  • Score: -5

3:49pm Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
How long have you supported Saints. Under Nigel Adkins and during M.Poxytino's first half season at the club Jack Cork was a regular first eleven player.
Only since the arrival of Victor W. has Jack become more of a fixture on the subs bench.
Whether he was a Les Reed signing or not is irrelevant. He remains an important member of our squad and if the club do not offer him a new contract there are plenty of other clubs who will. Last season Fulham wanted him. More recently West Brom, ,Swansea and Palace have expressed an interest. If the powers that be are stupid enough to let him go to one of our rivals then that decision could well come back to bite the club on the backside.
Meanwhile 3 poinys for the SAINTS VERSUS WEST HAM.
COYRAWS
About 45 years thank you.

It has been suggested by many that the reason he is not being offered a contract is because he is not a Les Reed signing.

It has a question mark after has he ever been a first choice I don't have player stats at my disposal, if I want to quote them I check on google and quote them accurately.

Thank you
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.[/p][/quote]You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion. The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them? I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.[/p][/quote]How long have you supported Saints. Under Nigel Adkins and during M.Poxytino's first half season at the club Jack Cork was a regular first eleven player. Only since the arrival of Victor W. has Jack become more of a fixture on the subs bench. Whether he was a Les Reed signing or not is irrelevant. He remains an important member of our squad and if the club do not offer him a new contract there are plenty of other clubs who will. Last season Fulham wanted him. More recently West Brom, ,Swansea and Palace have expressed an interest. If the powers that be are stupid enough to let him go to one of our rivals then that decision could well come back to bite the club on the backside. Meanwhile 3 poinys for the SAINTS VERSUS WEST HAM. COYRAWS[/p][/quote]About 45 years thank you. It has been suggested by many that the reason he is not being offered a contract is because he is not a Les Reed signing. It has a question mark after has he ever been a first choice I don't have player stats at my disposal, if I want to quote them I check on google and quote them accurately. Thank you fascia123
  • Score: -5

3:49pm Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Clasie just signed an extension to his contract at Feyenoord.

Looks like the game is back on to sign this gentleman. Giving us the come and get me signs by what this report states

https://www.clubcall
.com/southampton/sai
nts-given-boost-in-d
efender-hunt-1738265
.html?
Clasie just signed an extension to his contract at Feyenoord. Looks like the game is back on to sign this gentleman. Giving us the come and get me signs by what this report states https://www.clubcall .com/southampton/sai nts-given-boost-in-d efender-hunt-1738265 .html? jls217
  • Score: -3

3:53pm Fri 29 Aug 14

CB FRY LIVES says...

fascia123 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
Oh and you mention Turkey's brought to the club by Les Reed, I think they may of been identified by the manager at the time and are you going to tell me that he would of sanctioned them above NC, I don't think you could use the sh!thouse in. NCs day without his rubber stamp.
So from what you are implying our illustrious Director of football is just a yes man. Surely not as with all his experience at the FA he is considered by some to be one of the administrative and coaching doyens of the modern game.
Just look back to what he has achieved in his career,
And more to the point look forward to all the good things he might be able to do at Southampton.
The Saints fans await in anticipation of an exciting season to come. Meanwhile Les extractus digitus and get us a couple more top class players .Preferably with some premier league pedigree.
COME ON YOU SAINTS
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.[/p][/quote]You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion. The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them? I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.[/p][/quote]Oh and you mention Turkey's brought to the club by Les Reed, I think they may of been identified by the manager at the time and are you going to tell me that he would of sanctioned them above NC, I don't think you could use the sh!thouse in. NCs day without his rubber stamp.[/p][/quote]So from what you are implying our illustrious Director of football is just a yes man. Surely not as with all his experience at the FA he is considered by some to be one of the administrative and coaching doyens of the modern game. Just look back to what he has achieved in his career, And more to the point look forward to all the good things he might be able to do at Southampton. The Saints fans await in anticipation of an exciting season to come. Meanwhile Les extractus digitus and get us a couple more top class players .Preferably with some premier league pedigree. COME ON YOU SAINTS CB FRY LIVES
  • Score: 2

4:00pm Fri 29 Aug 14

billycake says...

right back in the bar wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs
It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it?

'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out?

How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork.

I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy.

And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings.

Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc.

And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel.

Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.
Tbf, I doubt if Read had anything to do with bringing in Cork or J Rod, he might have been involved in some way.
It was not until Cortese left did he start having a major influence in player recruitment.
He was in charge of kit and maintenance and has kept that role. He is the only football man on our board.. did you know that he never played a single professional match and has only ever managed one club for 2 months, seven games. 1 win 5 defeats.
He has virtually zero respect in the football world and it beggars belief that Cortese ever employed him.
Unpalatable but factual. Reed is considered somewhat of a menace by clubs/people who he's worked in the past. But up he pops again in a slightly different guise and he contrived to grow his influence at StMs post Cortese. Anyone who reads my posts (and there aren't many - I do seem to unintentionally offend people when all I am trying to do is provoke (or be funny even)) will know I seriously doubted him.
That said if he has been the main influence in player acquisitions he hasn't done too badly - Forster is a great signing, Tadic is a gem, Bertrand excellent, and Taider will also play a big part. 12m for Long was too much but we are not the only ones (10m for McCormack!!!)
totally agree. Lot of posts on here about JC but wasn't about GR. Same as everybody else thought about him at first but has upped his game in last few matches he has played for saints. Heard about him been given free role in future! Reminds of somebody else! If it's true then who knows what he is capable of . Saints bought for £12 mill when other clubs were after him and saints budget was ambigious to other clubs. Great skill and I wouldn't like to bet who gets more goals this season GR or SL if GR is given the chance
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.[/p][/quote]You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion. The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them? I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.[/p][/quote]Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs[/p][/quote]It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it? 'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out? How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork. I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy. And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings. Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc. And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel. Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.[/p][/quote]Tbf, I doubt if Read had anything to do with bringing in Cork or J Rod, he might have been involved in some way. It was not until Cortese left did he start having a major influence in player recruitment. He was in charge of kit and maintenance and has kept that role. He is the only football man on our board.. did you know that he never played a single professional match and has only ever managed one club for 2 months, seven games. 1 win 5 defeats. He has virtually zero respect in the football world and it beggars belief that Cortese ever employed him.[/p][/quote]Unpalatable but factual. Reed is considered somewhat of a menace by clubs/people who he's worked in the past. But up he pops again in a slightly different guise and he contrived to grow his influence at StMs post Cortese. Anyone who reads my posts (and there aren't many - I do seem to unintentionally offend people when all I am trying to do is provoke (or be funny even)) will know I seriously doubted him. That said if he has been the main influence in player acquisitions he hasn't done too badly - Forster is a great signing, Tadic is a gem, Bertrand excellent, and Taider will also play a big part. 12m for Long was too much but we are not the only ones (10m for McCormack!!!)[/p][/quote]totally agree. Lot of posts on here about JC but wasn't about GR. Same as everybody else thought about him at first but has upped his game in last few matches he has played for saints. Heard about him been given free role in future! Reminds of somebody else! If it's true then who knows what he is capable of . Saints bought for £12 mill when other clubs were after him and saints budget was ambigious to other clubs. Great skill and I wouldn't like to bet who gets more goals this season GR or SL if GR is given the chance billycake
  • Score: 0

4:04pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Mush On The Beach says...

redandy10 wrote:
Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager.

Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask!

I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances.

The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.
Good assessment RedAndy.
The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now?
Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long.
West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager. Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask! I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances. The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.[/p][/quote]Good assessment RedAndy. The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now? Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long. West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 2

4:08pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Egomaniac says...

redandy10 wrote:
Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager.

Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask!

I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances.

The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.
A very good and well reasoned post - totally agree!
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager. Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask! I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances. The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.[/p][/quote]A very good and well reasoned post - totally agree! Egomaniac
  • Score: 0

5:18pm Fri 29 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

costa gaz wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs
It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it?

'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out?

How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork.

I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy.

And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings.

Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc.

And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel.

Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.
Tbf, I doubt if Read had anything to do with bringing in Cork or J Rod, he might have been involved in some way.
It was not until Cortese left did he start having a major influence in player recruitment.
He was in charge of kit and maintenance and has kept that role. He is the only football man on our board.. did you know that he never played a single professional match and has only ever managed one club for 2 months, seven games. 1 win 5 defeats.
He has virtually zero respect in the football world and it beggars belief that Cortese ever employed him.
Did you know that Nicola Cortese never played a professional match? Did you know Jose Mourinho didn't play at any worthwhile level? How many football men were on the board before Les joined it?

Blinkered and ill thought out costa, sorry. The comment about kit and maintenance is pathetic and pretty much sums up what I've been saying already - your utter negativity is based on cut and pasting only the bits of information you want to keep and hiding the rest.

Here's the full description of his role before he switched roles: On 16 April 2010 Reed was appointed Head of Football Development and Support at Southampton, overseeing four main areas: the Youth Academy, Scouting and Recruitment, Sports medicine and Science, and Kit and Equipment Management.

I like to take a sensible view of someone's contribution to the club, not pick and choose elements to suit a paper thin, one sided argument. So has his management of scouting, recruitment and the academy been appalling and worthy of the zero respect you're giving him?

I don't blindly support the board by any means, as proven by my posts on here over the summer - but making poorly thought out judgements, particularly before the team has bedded down or the full picture of incomings and outgoings is complete is really very embarrassing.
I just re-read this and realised that you have compared Read with Mourinho.

End of chat i'm afraid. .
Now I see why people, unfairly in my opinion, call you costa spaz. I'm merely pointing out one of the many flaws in your argument - that whether you played football or not is a key factor in whether you are any good or not.

The fact your only answer is a one liner suggests you have no answer, which is fine. I rest my case, send costa gaz back down to the cells.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.[/p][/quote]You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion. The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them? I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.[/p][/quote]Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs[/p][/quote]It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it? 'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out? How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork. I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy. And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings. Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc. And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel. Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.[/p][/quote]Tbf, I doubt if Read had anything to do with bringing in Cork or J Rod, he might have been involved in some way. It was not until Cortese left did he start having a major influence in player recruitment. He was in charge of kit and maintenance and has kept that role. He is the only football man on our board.. did you know that he never played a single professional match and has only ever managed one club for 2 months, seven games. 1 win 5 defeats. He has virtually zero respect in the football world and it beggars belief that Cortese ever employed him.[/p][/quote]Did you know that Nicola Cortese never played a professional match? Did you know Jose Mourinho didn't play at any worthwhile level? How many football men were on the board before Les joined it? Blinkered and ill thought out costa, sorry. The comment about kit and maintenance is pathetic and pretty much sums up what I've been saying already - your utter negativity is based on cut and pasting only the bits of information you want to keep and hiding the rest. Here's the full description of his role before he switched roles: On 16 April 2010 Reed was appointed Head of Football Development and Support at Southampton, overseeing four main areas: the Youth Academy, Scouting and Recruitment, Sports medicine and Science, and Kit and Equipment Management. I like to take a sensible view of someone's contribution to the club, not pick and choose elements to suit a paper thin, one sided argument. So has his management of scouting, recruitment and the academy been appalling and worthy of the zero respect you're giving him? I don't blindly support the board by any means, as proven by my posts on here over the summer - but making poorly thought out judgements, particularly before the team has bedded down or the full picture of incomings and outgoings is complete is really very embarrassing.[/p][/quote]I just re-read this and realised that you have compared Read with Mourinho. End of chat i'm afraid. .[/p][/quote]Now I see why people, unfairly in my opinion, call you costa spaz. I'm merely pointing out one of the many flaws in your argument - that whether you played football or not is a key factor in whether you are any good or not. The fact your only answer is a one liner suggests you have no answer, which is fine. I rest my case, send costa gaz back down to the cells. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

5:51pm Fri 29 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs
It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it?

'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out?

How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork.

I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy.

And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings.

Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc.

And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel.

Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.
Tbf, I doubt if Read had anything to do with bringing in Cork or J Rod, he might have been involved in some way.
It was not until Cortese left did he start having a major influence in player recruitment.
He was in charge of kit and maintenance and has kept that role. He is the only football man on our board.. did you know that he never played a single professional match and has only ever managed one club for 2 months, seven games. 1 win 5 defeats.
He has virtually zero respect in the football world and it beggars belief that Cortese ever employed him.
Did you know that Nicola Cortese never played a professional match? Did you know Jose Mourinho didn't play at any worthwhile level? How many football men were on the board before Les joined it?

Blinkered and ill thought out costa, sorry. The comment about kit and maintenance is pathetic and pretty much sums up what I've been saying already - your utter negativity is based on cut and pasting only the bits of information you want to keep and hiding the rest.

Here's the full description of his role before he switched roles: On 16 April 2010 Reed was appointed Head of Football Development and Support at Southampton, overseeing four main areas: the Youth Academy, Scouting and Recruitment, Sports medicine and Science, and Kit and Equipment Management.

I like to take a sensible view of someone's contribution to the club, not pick and choose elements to suit a paper thin, one sided argument. So has his management of scouting, recruitment and the academy been appalling and worthy of the zero respect you're giving him?

I don't blindly support the board by any means, as proven by my posts on here over the summer - but making poorly thought out judgements, particularly before the team has bedded down or the full picture of incomings and outgoings is complete is really very embarrassing.
I just re-read this and realised that you have compared Read with Mourinho.

End of chat i'm afraid. .
Now I see why people, unfairly in my opinion, call you costa spaz. I'm merely pointing out one of the many flaws in your argument - that whether you played football or not is a key factor in whether you are any good or not.

The fact your only answer is a one liner suggests you have no answer, which is fine. I rest my case, send costa gaz back down to the cells.
Ok to answer you politely, Mourinho had limited playing experience and Cortese had none, but they were immediately successful and carried on being successful..... success breeds success.
Les has never ever experienced success, even with the mighty Bishops Stortford. Not with his role at the FA, not with his book, not at Charlton... not anywhere, yet he is entrusted to steer our ship onwards and upwards.

There would be no other club in the top 2 divisions that would touch him with a barge pole with his CV.
He worked under Cortese and was promoted on NC's departure... he will be found out at this level.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was. A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out. Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him. I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was. Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork. Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future. Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints. COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.[/p][/quote]You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion. The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them? I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.[/p][/quote]Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs[/p][/quote]It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it? 'Les Reed brought in a bunch of turkeys' - do these people just shut their minds to the good signings we've made this summer and before and just blank them out? How blinkered are they? If anything I think Cork is right up Les Reed's street as an England product - he seems to go out of his way to sign and bring through England youth products, including Forster, Bertrand, Jay Rod and Cork. I was under the impression that a lot of the poor players we've brought in of late were Cortese signings if I'm honest (Maya, Gaston etc, all based on London 2012 performances), and Osvaldo was a clear Poch signing as he knew the guy. And in terms of Reed signings that weren't absolute duds, if you credit him for Osvaldo and Forren you have to credit him for Lovren, and Tadic, and Forster and Bertrand, and Victor, who all look decent signings. Then you have to credit him for all the youth products coming through, because he's been involved in that side as well, so JWP, Chambers (who I know has left before you bring that up), Isgrove, Targett etc etc. And simply adding one line of supportive nonsense in capitals at the bottom of a highly negative, one sided post doesn't make up for the other 20 lines of badly thought out drivel. Agree Corky is a good player though and we should hang on to him.[/p][/quote]Tbf, I doubt if Read had anything to do with bringing in Cork or J Rod, he might have been involved in some way. It was not until Cortese left did he start having a major influence in player recruitment. He was in charge of kit and maintenance and has kept that role. He is the only football man on our board.. did you know that he never played a single professional match and has only ever managed one club for 2 months, seven games. 1 win 5 defeats. He has virtually zero respect in the football world and it beggars belief that Cortese ever employed him.[/p][/quote]Did you know that Nicola Cortese never played a professional match? Did you know Jose Mourinho didn't play at any worthwhile level? How many football men were on the board before Les joined it? Blinkered and ill thought out costa, sorry. The comment about kit and maintenance is pathetic and pretty much sums up what I've been saying already - your utter negativity is based on cut and pasting only the bits of information you want to keep and hiding the rest. Here's the full description of his role before he switched roles: On 16 April 2010 Reed was appointed Head of Football Development and Support at Southampton, overseeing four main areas: the Youth Academy, Scouting and Recruitment, Sports medicine and Science, and Kit and Equipment Management. I like to take a sensible view of someone's contribution to the club, not pick and choose elements to suit a paper thin, one sided argument. So has his management of scouting, recruitment and the academy been appalling and worthy of the zero respect you're giving him? I don't blindly support the board by any means, as proven by my posts on here over the summer - but making poorly thought out judgements, particularly before the team has bedded down or the full picture of incomings and outgoings is complete is really very embarrassing.[/p][/quote]I just re-read this and realised that you have compared Read with Mourinho. End of chat i'm afraid. .[/p][/quote]Now I see why people, unfairly in my opinion, call you costa spaz. I'm merely pointing out one of the many flaws in your argument - that whether you played football or not is a key factor in whether you are any good or not. The fact your only answer is a one liner suggests you have no answer, which is fine. I rest my case, send costa gaz back down to the cells.[/p][/quote]Ok to answer you politely, Mourinho had limited playing experience and Cortese had none, but they were immediately successful and carried on being successful..... success breeds success. Les has never ever experienced success, even with the mighty Bishops Stortford. Not with his role at the FA, not with his book, not at Charlton... not anywhere, yet he is entrusted to steer our ship onwards and upwards. There would be no other club in the top 2 divisions that would touch him with a barge pole with his CV. He worked under Cortese and was promoted on NC's departure... he will be found out at this level. costa gaz
  • Score: 3

6:44pm Fri 29 Aug 14

mack chinnon says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager.

Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask!

I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances.

The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.
Good assessment RedAndy.
The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now?
Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long.
West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.
To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager. Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask! I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances. The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.[/p][/quote]Good assessment RedAndy. The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now? Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long. West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.[/p][/quote]To true Mush. Big game tomorrow. mack chinnon
  • Score: 0

7:12pm Fri 29 Aug 14

billycake says...

mack chinnon wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager.

Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask!

I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances.

The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.
Good assessment RedAndy.
The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now?
Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long.
West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.
To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.
What happens to pelle when JR comes back? Just asking what formation?
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager. Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask! I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances. The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.[/p][/quote]Good assessment RedAndy. The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now? Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long. West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.[/p][/quote]To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.[/p][/quote]What happens to pelle when JR comes back? Just asking what formation? billycake
  • Score: 0

7:22pm Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

mack chinnon wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager.

Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask!

I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances.

The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.
Good assessment RedAndy.
The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now?
Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long.
West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.
To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.
Reckon we are quite a way from what we achieved last year - this year has to be consolidation exercise with a view to being up there biting the ankles of the big boys the following season.

We have to make sure the finishing spot last year doesn't become an albatross around our neck. Remember that's the highest we've EVER achieved in the PL though I do remember coming in 2nd behind Skiverpool in DIV 1 days and if my memory serves me right Skiverpool went and got English clubs banned so we didn't get a chance at Europe either. Often wondered how different our fortune might have been if we done well in Europe that year.
Unless we start an income stream for something other than the Stadium itself we will rarely be a consistent contender for anything other than midtable mediocrity (not good enough) Make the millions, become more marketable, new/enlarged stadium all equals a couple of kids from the conveyor belt for us and another couple to be sold and attracting better and better signings at the same time = ever higher position until we can really frighten the big boys - I won't believe it can't happen. It just might.
But right now none of us should expect miracles, display a little patience and gel this season to expand next. Won't sleep well tonight in expectation for tomorrow - we should match and maybe beat them in their back yard.
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager. Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask! I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances. The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.[/p][/quote]Good assessment RedAndy. The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now? Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long. West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.[/p][/quote]To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Reckon we are quite a way from what we achieved last year - this year has to be consolidation exercise with a view to being up there biting the ankles of the big boys the following season. We have to make sure the finishing spot last year doesn't become an albatross around our neck. Remember that's the highest we've EVER achieved in the PL though I do remember coming in 2nd behind Skiverpool in DIV 1 days and if my memory serves me right Skiverpool went and got English clubs banned so we didn't get a chance at Europe either. Often wondered how different our fortune might have been if we done well in Europe that year. Unless we start an income stream for something other than the Stadium itself we will rarely be a consistent contender for anything other than midtable mediocrity (not good enough) Make the millions, become more marketable, new/enlarged stadium all equals a couple of kids from the conveyor belt for us and another couple to be sold and attracting better and better signings at the same time = ever higher position until we can really frighten the big boys - I won't believe it can't happen. It just might. But right now none of us should expect miracles, display a little patience and gel this season to expand next. Won't sleep well tonight in expectation for tomorrow - we should match and maybe beat them in their back yard. jls217
  • Score: 0

7:37pm Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Another youngster from the academy takes a small step to the big time.

Chris Johns has been plucked for Northern Ireland’s under-21 squad ahead of their upcoming 2015 European U21 Championship qualifier against Serbia.
The Saints Under-21 ‘keeper will meet with the rest of the team as they prepare to take on the Group 9 leaders on Tuesday at Shamrock Park on Tuesday.
Northern Ireland, meanwhile, can’t qualify for next year’s tournament in the Czech Republic due to only having taken three points from seven games – a total that leaves them bottom of the group.
The Southampton Academy youngster was pivotal as Northern Ireland U20s were crowned Milk Cup champions earlier this month after victories over China, Mexico and Canada.

Read more at http://www.saintsfc.
co.uk/news/article/2
9082014-chris-johns-
u21-serbia-call-up-1
884378.aspx#KcqCgUZ0
dVsSFGPp.99
Another youngster from the academy takes a small step to the big time. Chris Johns has been plucked for Northern Ireland’s under-21 squad ahead of their upcoming 2015 European U21 Championship qualifier against Serbia. The Saints Under-21 ‘keeper will meet with the rest of the team as they prepare to take on the Group 9 leaders on Tuesday at Shamrock Park on Tuesday. Northern Ireland, meanwhile, can’t qualify for next year’s tournament in the Czech Republic due to only having taken three points from seven games – a total that leaves them bottom of the group. The Southampton Academy youngster was pivotal as Northern Ireland U20s were crowned Milk Cup champions earlier this month after victories over China, Mexico and Canada. Read more at http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/2 9082014-chris-johns- u21-serbia-call-up-1 884378.aspx#KcqCgUZ0 dVsSFGPp.99 jls217
  • Score: 1

7:39pm Fri 29 Aug 14

jls217 says...

billycake wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager.

Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask!

I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances.

The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.
Good assessment RedAndy.
The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now?
Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long.
West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.
To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.
What happens to pelle when JR comes back? Just asking what formation?
Good question. I suspect 4411, 442 seems to be out of vogue presently. Guess Rambros are the only one who know for sure.
[quote][p][bold]billycake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager. Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask! I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances. The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.[/p][/quote]Good assessment RedAndy. The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now? Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long. West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.[/p][/quote]To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.[/p][/quote]What happens to pelle when JR comes back? Just asking what formation?[/p][/quote]Good question. I suspect 4411, 442 seems to be out of vogue presently. Guess Rambros are the only one who know for sure. jls217
  • Score: 0

8:14pm Fri 29 Aug 14

knuckle dragger says...

george chivers wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites.

I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club.

Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans.

COYR!
As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct.

Have you managed a professional football club?

Have you played professional football?

Have you worked at board level for a professional football club?

Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club?

You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club.

Where did you get that knowledge from?

For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC

Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club.

That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.
George, how many of your own questions can you answer YES to? Try reading the man's post properly before throwing a playground tantrum and illustrating exactly what SaintPC is complaining about. Nobody's saying that it's wrong to feel that you are an "emotional shareholder", or stakeholder at least, in the club but those emotions aren't necessarily the most stable or reliable foundation when it comes to suggesting what's best for the club.
I can't answer yes to any of those questions. But there is an implicit assumption his post that he can. And I was asking the question how can he do that? What is his knowledge base?

My position is simple.

I belief this close season has been a disaster for our club. And what makes that worse for me is I thought it would happen back in January and said so on here.

I think we have cashed in players so that replacements can be bought in at cheaper prices. So far we have sold £92M worth of players and bought in players worth £42M. I think that has been done so the owner can recoup over spend from the Cortese days and pay back loans to herself.
Nothing wrong with that. It's her money and her club. But if that is the case why can't she tell us that. And if that isn't the case why can't she tell us what the strategy is in terms of replacing players who leave the club. RK promised us greatly improved communication, we haven't got it.

Communication has increased but at best it has been ambiguous.

I think as fans (customers) we are owed a statement of direction from the owner saying where the club is going. This season and what the objectives are for the next 5 years. As we had from Cortese.

If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there. Currently we have nothing. The owner, the management, the players and the fans are in this together. But as far as I am concerned, in terms of the fans there is no leadership. And that is what is annoying me. I feel like I am being conned and misled.

I would like to know what our points target is this season and the following season. Are we interested in continuous improvement or just an ongoing mid-table position. Do we want to win the FA Cup? Be in the Europa Cup? All those things are not clear. And I think they should be clear. And I will continue to criticise the club until they are.

But, I will be, as always STID.
Well, so far there has been no sign of any of the 92 million being used to cover Corteses' over spend nor to repay any loans. As for buying cheap players to replace those that left, who says they wont be as good?

I believe the club is building a squad that is good enough to field strong teams in all competitions, meaning players can be rested to help avoid injury.

You ask do we want to win the FA cup and be in the europa cup - I say what would be the point of the club existing if this and more was not the aim. Not having a "5 year plan" means nothing, what is more important is having a destination and working out how to get there. To break in to european competitions and compete in them regularly we need funding. I don't believe rich owners should keep pumping their own money in to teams as what happens if they decide to sell up? Usually they stop funding and that can lead to clubs going bust - just look at what happened down the M27. Instead a sustainable business model is being put in place, this is evidenced by the fact a commercial directer was appointed to develop the commercial activities which will bring in more revenues meaning that in time the manager will have bigger transfer budgets and can pay bigger wages helping us to attract more players and push on to challenge the big 4 in time.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: I am enjoying the honesty that RoKo gives during his interviews, and I can only imagine that the players enjoy working for an honest manager. It seems that everyone is given a chance to earn their place in the team, and the matchday squad, and there are no favourites. I am also eagerly awaiting news of 1 or 2 more signings, it must be so hard out there to complete these transfers, I know that there are a lot of fans on these forums who keep slating Les Reed or Ralph, and some are even still on KL's back about cashing out. I despair reading their comments, it's such ill-informed nonsense and is an embarrassment to our club. Different opinions are what football is all about, but when those opinions are so wide of fact and based on nonsense or a complete mis-understanding of the processes of managing a football club, or signing players and all the complexity that brings, then it is hard to be anything other than disappointed in some of our own fans. COYR![/p][/quote]As somebody you are disappointed in can I ask you why your opinions are so much better than mine and what your qualifications are to understand the process of managing a professional football club and to assume an omnificent point of view. I think you should share those insights with us, so we can judge why, what you say, is correct. Have you managed a professional football club? Have you played professional football? Have you worked at board level for a professional football club? Have worked as a consultant for a professional football club? You seem to have an in depth knowledge of the processes of managing a professional football club. Where did you get that knowledge from? For my own part I have been both a fan and a supporter of SFC for 54 years and I will continue to be STID. And like all the serious posters on here I am an emotional shareholder in SFC Please put me right about my ill informed nonsense and explain in depth why I am wrong. Then if I accept your argument I can change the nature of my posts, acknowledge you were right, and cease to be an embarrassment to our club. That is of course, if your explanation is convincing and fact based, and not just another opinion like mine, which of course I am entitled to express because I have been a Saint for 54 years and earned the right to do that.[/p][/quote]George, how many of your own questions can you answer YES to? Try reading the man's post properly before throwing a playground tantrum and illustrating exactly what SaintPC is complaining about. Nobody's saying that it's wrong to feel that you are an "emotional shareholder", or stakeholder at least, in the club but those emotions aren't necessarily the most stable or reliable foundation when it comes to suggesting what's best for the club.[/p][/quote]I can't answer yes to any of those questions. But there is an implicit assumption his post that he can. And I was asking the question how can he do that? What is his knowledge base? My position is simple. I belief this close season has been a disaster for our club. And what makes that worse for me is I thought it would happen back in January and said so on here. I think we have cashed in players so that replacements can be bought in at cheaper prices. So far we have sold £92M worth of players and bought in players worth £42M. I think that has been done so the owner can recoup over spend from the Cortese days and pay back loans to herself. Nothing wrong with that. It's her money and her club. But if that is the case why can't she tell us that. And if that isn't the case why can't she tell us what the strategy is in terms of replacing players who leave the club. RK promised us greatly improved communication, we haven't got it. Communication has increased but at best it has been ambiguous. I think as fans (customers) we are owed a statement of direction from the owner saying where the club is going. This season and what the objectives are for the next 5 years. As we had from Cortese. If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there. Currently we have nothing. The owner, the management, the players and the fans are in this together. But as far as I am concerned, in terms of the fans there is no leadership. And that is what is annoying me. I feel like I am being conned and misled. I would like to know what our points target is this season and the following season. Are we interested in continuous improvement or just an ongoing mid-table position. Do we want to win the FA Cup? Be in the Europa Cup? All those things are not clear. And I think they should be clear. And I will continue to criticise the club until they are. But, I will be, as always STID.[/p][/quote]Well, so far there has been no sign of any of the 92 million being used to cover Corteses' over spend nor to repay any loans. As for buying cheap players to replace those that left, who says they wont be as good? I believe the club is building a squad that is good enough to field strong teams in all competitions, meaning players can be rested to help avoid injury. You ask do we want to win the FA cup and be in the europa cup - I say what would be the point of the club existing if this and more was not the aim. Not having a "5 year plan" means nothing, what is more important is having a destination and working out how to get there. To break in to european competitions and compete in them regularly we need funding. I don't believe rich owners should keep pumping their own money in to teams as what happens if they decide to sell up? Usually they stop funding and that can lead to clubs going bust - just look at what happened down the M27. Instead a sustainable business model is being put in place, this is evidenced by the fact a commercial directer was appointed to develop the commercial activities which will bring in more revenues meaning that in time the manager will have bigger transfer budgets and can pay bigger wages helping us to attract more players and push on to challenge the big 4 in time. knuckle dragger
  • Score: 2

8:18pm Fri 29 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Goodness! You very nearly got your name right!
It's Richard to you!
Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Goodness! You very nearly got your name right![/p][/quote]It's Richard to you![/p][/quote]Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

8:25pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Goodness! You very nearly got your name right!
It's Richard to you!
Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?
Could be. Whatever turns you on!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Goodness! You very nearly got your name right![/p][/quote]It's Richard to you![/p][/quote]Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?[/p][/quote]Could be. Whatever turns you on! Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

8:54pm Fri 29 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Clever Dick wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Goodness! You very nearly got your name right!
It's Richard to you!
Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?
Could be. Whatever turns you on!
Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Goodness! You very nearly got your name right![/p][/quote]It's Richard to you![/p][/quote]Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?[/p][/quote]Could be. Whatever turns you on![/p][/quote]Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

9:06pm Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Goodness! You very nearly got your name right!
It's Richard to you!
Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?
Could be. Whatever turns you on!
Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.
He has not been alone today, unfortunately.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Goodness! You very nearly got your name right![/p][/quote]It's Richard to you![/p][/quote]Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?[/p][/quote]Could be. Whatever turns you on![/p][/quote]Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.[/p][/quote]He has not been alone today, unfortunately. fascia123
  • Score: -2

9:29pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Saint Angus says...

I'm hoping that RK can get gaston playing to his full potential after all he is a Saints player! To have him fit and playing well can only be a bonus to our team.
I'm hoping that RK can get gaston playing to his full potential after all he is a Saints player! To have him fit and playing well can only be a bonus to our team. Saint Angus
  • Score: 0

9:37pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

fascia123 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Goodness! You very nearly got your name right!
It's Richard to you!
Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?
Could be. Whatever turns you on!
Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.
He has not been alone today, unfortunately.
Queue the TDs! Been out and about today but it's been a tough day on here by the looks of things. Stay positive mate.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Goodness! You very nearly got your name right![/p][/quote]It's Richard to you![/p][/quote]Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?[/p][/quote]Could be. Whatever turns you on![/p][/quote]Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.[/p][/quote]He has not been alone today, unfortunately.[/p][/quote]Queue the TDs! Been out and about today but it's been a tough day on here by the looks of things. Stay positive mate. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 0

9:39pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

jls217 wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager.

Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask!

I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances.

The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.
Good assessment RedAndy.
The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now?
Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long.
West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.
To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.
Reckon we are quite a way from what we achieved last year - this year has to be consolidation exercise with a view to being up there biting the ankles of the big boys the following season.

We have to make sure the finishing spot last year doesn't become an albatross around our neck. Remember that's the highest we've EVER achieved in the PL though I do remember coming in 2nd behind Skiverpool in DIV 1 days and if my memory serves me right Skiverpool went and got English clubs banned so we didn't get a chance at Europe either. Often wondered how different our fortune might have been if we done well in Europe that year.
Unless we start an income stream for something other than the Stadium itself we will rarely be a consistent contender for anything other than midtable mediocrity (not good enough) Make the millions, become more marketable, new/enlarged stadium all equals a couple of kids from the conveyor belt for us and another couple to be sold and attracting better and better signings at the same time = ever higher position until we can really frighten the big boys - I won't believe it can't happen. It just might.
But right now none of us should expect miracles, display a little patience and gel this season to expand next. Won't sleep well tonight in expectation for tomorrow - we should match and maybe beat them in their back yard.
Ah. I see the happy clappers cheer leader has moved on from promising us we'd do better this season, despite selling the team, to 'consolidating'. I wondered when that would come! :)

On a serious note a new/expanded stadium is a must. When to do it? You can't wait until the team is in the top six because we've just been told the old team couldn't be kept together and comply with the FFP rules. So the stadium has to be in place before the climb up the league happens. Given that finding a site, designing the stadium, getting planning permission, dealing with any opponents and the various enquires that may ensure could take 5 years then we best start looking.

Once the dust has settled we need KL to set out her vision and plans. They don't have to be to conqueror the world. They don't have to be CL. But we do need to know where we are trying to get to and if that's not as ambitious as Cortese was then so be it.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager. Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask! I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances. The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.[/p][/quote]Good assessment RedAndy. The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now? Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long. West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.[/p][/quote]To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Reckon we are quite a way from what we achieved last year - this year has to be consolidation exercise with a view to being up there biting the ankles of the big boys the following season. We have to make sure the finishing spot last year doesn't become an albatross around our neck. Remember that's the highest we've EVER achieved in the PL though I do remember coming in 2nd behind Skiverpool in DIV 1 days and if my memory serves me right Skiverpool went and got English clubs banned so we didn't get a chance at Europe either. Often wondered how different our fortune might have been if we done well in Europe that year. Unless we start an income stream for something other than the Stadium itself we will rarely be a consistent contender for anything other than midtable mediocrity (not good enough) Make the millions, become more marketable, new/enlarged stadium all equals a couple of kids from the conveyor belt for us and another couple to be sold and attracting better and better signings at the same time = ever higher position until we can really frighten the big boys - I won't believe it can't happen. It just might. But right now none of us should expect miracles, display a little patience and gel this season to expand next. Won't sleep well tonight in expectation for tomorrow - we should match and maybe beat them in their back yard.[/p][/quote]Ah. I see the happy clappers cheer leader has moved on from promising us we'd do better this season, despite selling the team, to 'consolidating'. I wondered when that would come! :) On a serious note a new/expanded stadium is a must. When to do it? You can't wait until the team is in the top six because we've just been told the old team couldn't be kept together and comply with the FFP rules. So the stadium has to be in place before the climb up the league happens. Given that finding a site, designing the stadium, getting planning permission, dealing with any opponents and the various enquires that may ensure could take 5 years then we best start looking. Once the dust has settled we need KL to set out her vision and plans. They don't have to be to conqueror the world. They don't have to be CL. But we do need to know where we are trying to get to and if that's not as ambitious as Cortese was then so be it. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -1

9:45pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager.

Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask!

I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances.

The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.
Good assessment RedAndy.
The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now?
Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long.
West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.
To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.
Reckon we are quite a way from what we achieved last year - this year has to be consolidation exercise with a view to being up there biting the ankles of the big boys the following season.

We have to make sure the finishing spot last year doesn't become an albatross around our neck. Remember that's the highest we've EVER achieved in the PL though I do remember coming in 2nd behind Skiverpool in DIV 1 days and if my memory serves me right Skiverpool went and got English clubs banned so we didn't get a chance at Europe either. Often wondered how different our fortune might have been if we done well in Europe that year.
Unless we start an income stream for something other than the Stadium itself we will rarely be a consistent contender for anything other than midtable mediocrity (not good enough) Make the millions, become more marketable, new/enlarged stadium all equals a couple of kids from the conveyor belt for us and another couple to be sold and attracting better and better signings at the same time = ever higher position until we can really frighten the big boys - I won't believe it can't happen. It just might.
But right now none of us should expect miracles, display a little patience and gel this season to expand next. Won't sleep well tonight in expectation for tomorrow - we should match and maybe beat them in their back yard.
Ah. I see the happy clappers cheer leader has moved on from promising us we'd do better this season, despite selling the team, to 'consolidating'. I wondered when that would come! :)

On a serious note a new/expanded stadium is a must. When to do it? You can't wait until the team is in the top six because we've just been told the old team couldn't be kept together and comply with the FFP rules. So the stadium has to be in place before the climb up the league happens. Given that finding a site, designing the stadium, getting planning permission, dealing with any opponents and the various enquires that may ensure could take 5 years then we best start looking.

Once the dust has settled we need KL to set out her vision and plans. They don't have to be to conqueror the world. They don't have to be CL. But we do need to know where we are trying to get to and if that's not as ambitious as Cortese was then so be it.
Second and third paragraphs hugely important to the future of the club. I whole heartedly agree but then found myself sitting in an almost empty row last week. Can we justify a massive new stadium? Not having a pop and I would love to see it too, but are we being realistic?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager. Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask! I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances. The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.[/p][/quote]Good assessment RedAndy. The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now? Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long. West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.[/p][/quote]To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Reckon we are quite a way from what we achieved last year - this year has to be consolidation exercise with a view to being up there biting the ankles of the big boys the following season. We have to make sure the finishing spot last year doesn't become an albatross around our neck. Remember that's the highest we've EVER achieved in the PL though I do remember coming in 2nd behind Skiverpool in DIV 1 days and if my memory serves me right Skiverpool went and got English clubs banned so we didn't get a chance at Europe either. Often wondered how different our fortune might have been if we done well in Europe that year. Unless we start an income stream for something other than the Stadium itself we will rarely be a consistent contender for anything other than midtable mediocrity (not good enough) Make the millions, become more marketable, new/enlarged stadium all equals a couple of kids from the conveyor belt for us and another couple to be sold and attracting better and better signings at the same time = ever higher position until we can really frighten the big boys - I won't believe it can't happen. It just might. But right now none of us should expect miracles, display a little patience and gel this season to expand next. Won't sleep well tonight in expectation for tomorrow - we should match and maybe beat them in their back yard.[/p][/quote]Ah. I see the happy clappers cheer leader has moved on from promising us we'd do better this season, despite selling the team, to 'consolidating'. I wondered when that would come! :) On a serious note a new/expanded stadium is a must. When to do it? You can't wait until the team is in the top six because we've just been told the old team couldn't be kept together and comply with the FFP rules. So the stadium has to be in place before the climb up the league happens. Given that finding a site, designing the stadium, getting planning permission, dealing with any opponents and the various enquires that may ensure could take 5 years then we best start looking. Once the dust has settled we need KL to set out her vision and plans. They don't have to be to conqueror the world. They don't have to be CL. But we do need to know where we are trying to get to and if that's not as ambitious as Cortese was then so be it.[/p][/quote]Second and third paragraphs hugely important to the future of the club. I whole heartedly agree but then found myself sitting in an almost empty row last week. Can we justify a massive new stadium? Not having a pop and I would love to see it too, but are we being realistic? Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 0

9:50pm Fri 29 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saphir Taider is / has **** off. anyone got the low down?
Saphir Taider is / has **** off. anyone got the low down? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:53pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Goodness! You very nearly got your name right!
It's Richard to you!
Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?
Could be. Whatever turns you on!
Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.
Those are the ones you shouldn't bother to read. Bit like the ones I've ignored slagging me off for stating (albeit in a slightly harsh way) that Jack should be given a new contract. Looking at the general feelings amongst the fans I'd say the vast majority agree with me.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Goodness! You very nearly got your name right![/p][/quote]It's Richard to you![/p][/quote]Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?[/p][/quote]Could be. Whatever turns you on![/p][/quote]Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.[/p][/quote]Those are the ones you shouldn't bother to read. Bit like the ones I've ignored slagging me off for stating (albeit in a slightly harsh way) that Jack should be given a new contract. Looking at the general feelings amongst the fans I'd say the vast majority agree with me. Clever Dick
  • Score: -1

9:55pm Fri 29 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Clever Dick wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Goodness! You very nearly got your name right!
It's Richard to you!
Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?
Could be. Whatever turns you on!
Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.
Those are the ones you shouldn't bother to read. Bit like the ones I've ignored slagging me off for stating (albeit in a slightly harsh way) that Jack should be given a new contract. Looking at the general feelings amongst the fans I'd say the vast majority agree with me.
We would like to see JC get a contract, what annoys me is the interpretation of what Ronko said is that he isn't going to get a contract when in fact RonKo said they weren't talking about it yet, a subtle but important difference.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Goodness! You very nearly got your name right![/p][/quote]It's Richard to you![/p][/quote]Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?[/p][/quote]Could be. Whatever turns you on![/p][/quote]Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.[/p][/quote]Those are the ones you shouldn't bother to read. Bit like the ones I've ignored slagging me off for stating (albeit in a slightly harsh way) that Jack should be given a new contract. Looking at the general feelings amongst the fans I'd say the vast majority agree with me.[/p][/quote]We would like to see JC get a contract, what annoys me is the interpretation of what Ronko said is that he isn't going to get a contract when in fact RonKo said they weren't talking about it yet, a subtle but important difference. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

9:56pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saphir Taider is / has **** off. anyone got the low down?
??
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Saphir Taider is / has **** off. anyone got the low down?[/p][/quote]?? Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 0

9:56pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Stnana says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saphir Taider is / has **** off. anyone got the low down?
All over Twitter apparently he couldn't settle here and has gone back to Italy. So what happens with Osvaldo now ?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Saphir Taider is / has **** off. anyone got the low down?[/p][/quote]All over Twitter apparently he couldn't settle here and has gone back to Italy. So what happens with Osvaldo now ? Stnana
  • Score: 0

9:57pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager.

Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask!

I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances.

The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.
Good assessment RedAndy.
The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now?
Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long.
West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.
To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.
Reckon we are quite a way from what we achieved last year - this year has to be consolidation exercise with a view to being up there biting the ankles of the big boys the following season.

We have to make sure the finishing spot last year doesn't become an albatross around our neck. Remember that's the highest we've EVER achieved in the PL though I do remember coming in 2nd behind Skiverpool in DIV 1 days and if my memory serves me right Skiverpool went and got English clubs banned so we didn't get a chance at Europe either. Often wondered how different our fortune might have been if we done well in Europe that year.
Unless we start an income stream for something other than the Stadium itself we will rarely be a consistent contender for anything other than midtable mediocrity (not good enough) Make the millions, become more marketable, new/enlarged stadium all equals a couple of kids from the conveyor belt for us and another couple to be sold and attracting better and better signings at the same time = ever higher position until we can really frighten the big boys - I won't believe it can't happen. It just might.
But right now none of us should expect miracles, display a little patience and gel this season to expand next. Won't sleep well tonight in expectation for tomorrow - we should match and maybe beat them in their back yard.
Ah. I see the happy clappers cheer leader has moved on from promising us we'd do better this season, despite selling the team, to 'consolidating'. I wondered when that would come! :)

On a serious note a new/expanded stadium is a must. When to do it? You can't wait until the team is in the top six because we've just been told the old team couldn't be kept together and comply with the FFP rules. So the stadium has to be in place before the climb up the league happens. Given that finding a site, designing the stadium, getting planning permission, dealing with any opponents and the various enquires that may ensure could take 5 years then we best start looking.

Once the dust has settled we need KL to set out her vision and plans. They don't have to be to conqueror the world. They don't have to be CL. But we do need to know where we are trying to get to and if that's not as ambitious as Cortese was then so be it.
Second and third paragraphs hugely important to the future of the club. I whole heartedly agree but then found myself sitting in an almost empty row last week. Can we justify a massive new stadium? Not having a pop and I would love to see it too, but are we being realistic?
The huge negativity of this summer is bound to knock on to attendances in the first few games, if Ron plays quality football and we do well they'll be back. When I've got half an hour I want to have a look at Sunderland's attendance figures match for match with ours. Warrens made a valid point that their greater capacity obviously brings their average up. I guess they fill it for the top teams and of course the derby with Newcastle but how do their figures compare on a like for like basis with attendances against the likes of Palace and West Brom? We can sell out a bigger ground for several matches. Location is key too, the more casual fan wants to pitch up, park, watch the game and go home. You can't do that at SMS.

The communication thing is such an obvious. Not intricate detail, not points per season but a general over view of where we are and where we intend to be with approximate time scales. All successful businesses have to have a plan you don't just stumble across growth.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager. Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask! I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances. The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.[/p][/quote]Good assessment RedAndy. The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now? Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long. West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.[/p][/quote]To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Reckon we are quite a way from what we achieved last year - this year has to be consolidation exercise with a view to being up there biting the ankles of the big boys the following season. We have to make sure the finishing spot last year doesn't become an albatross around our neck. Remember that's the highest we've EVER achieved in the PL though I do remember coming in 2nd behind Skiverpool in DIV 1 days and if my memory serves me right Skiverpool went and got English clubs banned so we didn't get a chance at Europe either. Often wondered how different our fortune might have been if we done well in Europe that year. Unless we start an income stream for something other than the Stadium itself we will rarely be a consistent contender for anything other than midtable mediocrity (not good enough) Make the millions, become more marketable, new/enlarged stadium all equals a couple of kids from the conveyor belt for us and another couple to be sold and attracting better and better signings at the same time = ever higher position until we can really frighten the big boys - I won't believe it can't happen. It just might. But right now none of us should expect miracles, display a little patience and gel this season to expand next. Won't sleep well tonight in expectation for tomorrow - we should match and maybe beat them in their back yard.[/p][/quote]Ah. I see the happy clappers cheer leader has moved on from promising us we'd do better this season, despite selling the team, to 'consolidating'. I wondered when that would come! :) On a serious note a new/expanded stadium is a must. When to do it? You can't wait until the team is in the top six because we've just been told the old team couldn't be kept together and comply with the FFP rules. So the stadium has to be in place before the climb up the league happens. Given that finding a site, designing the stadium, getting planning permission, dealing with any opponents and the various enquires that may ensure could take 5 years then we best start looking. Once the dust has settled we need KL to set out her vision and plans. They don't have to be to conqueror the world. They don't have to be CL. But we do need to know where we are trying to get to and if that's not as ambitious as Cortese was then so be it.[/p][/quote]Second and third paragraphs hugely important to the future of the club. I whole heartedly agree but then found myself sitting in an almost empty row last week. Can we justify a massive new stadium? Not having a pop and I would love to see it too, but are we being realistic?[/p][/quote]The huge negativity of this summer is bound to knock on to attendances in the first few games, if Ron plays quality football and we do well they'll be back. When I've got half an hour I want to have a look at Sunderland's attendance figures match for match with ours. Warrens made a valid point that their greater capacity obviously brings their average up. I guess they fill it for the top teams and of course the derby with Newcastle but how do their figures compare on a like for like basis with attendances against the likes of Palace and West Brom? We can sell out a bigger ground for several matches. Location is key too, the more casual fan wants to pitch up, park, watch the game and go home. You can't do that at SMS. The communication thing is such an obvious. Not intricate detail, not points per season but a general over view of where we are and where we intend to be with approximate time scales. All successful businesses have to have a plan you don't just stumble across growth. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

9:59pm Fri 29 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Stnana wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saphir Taider is / has **** off. anyone got the low down?
All over Twitter apparently he couldn't settle here and has gone back to Italy. So what happens with Osvaldo now ?
Separate deals as far as I can tell.
[quote][p][bold]Stnana[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Saphir Taider is / has **** off. anyone got the low down?[/p][/quote]All over Twitter apparently he couldn't settle here and has gone back to Italy. So what happens with Osvaldo now ?[/p][/quote]Separate deals as far as I can tell. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:01pm Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Goodness! You very nearly got your name right!
It's Richard to you!
Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?
Could be. Whatever turns you on!
Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.
He has not been alone today, unfortunately.
Queue the TDs! Been out and about today but it's been a tough day on here by the looks of things. Stay positive mate.
Hi Frankie,

I am learning slowly, (before Gaz starts I have been subscribed for about 3/4 years but of only started using again last couple of months and this is my only profile promise)

When I started on here I could of had a fight with everyone probably you included, being a tad self opinionated I didn't take to anyone else's view, but you learn as you go along and nights like last night you know the occasional pain is worth it.

It's not the end of the world if we don't but a win tomorrow would be good.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Goodness! You very nearly got your name right![/p][/quote]It's Richard to you![/p][/quote]Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?[/p][/quote]Could be. Whatever turns you on![/p][/quote]Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.[/p][/quote]He has not been alone today, unfortunately.[/p][/quote]Queue the TDs! Been out and about today but it's been a tough day on here by the looks of things. Stay positive mate.[/p][/quote]Hi Frankie, I am learning slowly, (before Gaz starts I have been subscribed for about 3/4 years but of only started using again last couple of months and this is my only profile promise) When I started on here I could of had a fight with everyone probably you included, being a tad self opinionated I didn't take to anyone else's view, but you learn as you go along and nights like last night you know the occasional pain is worth it. It's not the end of the world if we don't but a win tomorrow would be good. fascia123
  • Score: 0

10:02pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Saint Angus says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saphir Taider is / has **** off. anyone got the low down?
??
Think it's the African cup of nations qualifying games!
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Saphir Taider is / has **** off. anyone got the low down?[/p][/quote]??[/p][/quote]Think it's the African cup of nations qualifying games! Saint Angus
  • Score: 0

10:05pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Goodness! You very nearly got your name right!
It's Richard to you!
Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?
Could be. Whatever turns you on!
Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.
Those are the ones you shouldn't bother to read. Bit like the ones I've ignored slagging me off for stating (albeit in a slightly harsh way) that Jack should be given a new contract. Looking at the general feelings amongst the fans I'd say the vast majority agree with me.
We would like to see JC get a contract, what annoys me is the interpretation of what Ronko said is that he isn't going to get a contract when in fact RonKo said they weren't talking about it yet, a subtle but important difference.
It's difficult to reconcile that this is year zero and everyone has to start again to prove their worth - and giving Fonte a new contract. It sort of undermines the argument.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Goodness! You very nearly got your name right![/p][/quote]It's Richard to you![/p][/quote]Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?[/p][/quote]Could be. Whatever turns you on![/p][/quote]Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.[/p][/quote]Those are the ones you shouldn't bother to read. Bit like the ones I've ignored slagging me off for stating (albeit in a slightly harsh way) that Jack should be given a new contract. Looking at the general feelings amongst the fans I'd say the vast majority agree with me.[/p][/quote]We would like to see JC get a contract, what annoys me is the interpretation of what Ronko said is that he isn't going to get a contract when in fact RonKo said they weren't talking about it yet, a subtle but important difference.[/p][/quote]It's difficult to reconcile that this is year zero and everyone has to start again to prove their worth - and giving Fonte a new contract. It sort of undermines the argument. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -1

10:06pm Fri 29 Aug 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

Saint Angus wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saphir Taider is / has **** off. anyone got the low down?
??
Think it's the African cup of nations qualifying games!
Taider leaves Southampton – joins Sassuolo believed to been sold for 7m euro's great just when you thought it couldn't get any worse!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Saint Angus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Saphir Taider is / has **** off. anyone got the low down?[/p][/quote]??[/p][/quote]Think it's the African cup of nations qualifying games![/p][/quote]Taider leaves Southampton – joins Sassuolo believed to been sold for 7m euro's great just when you thought it couldn't get any worse!!!!! This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: -1

10:07pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Goodness! You very nearly got your name right!
It's Richard to you!
Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?
Could be. Whatever turns you on!
Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.
He has not been alone today, unfortunately.
Queue the TDs! Been out and about today but it's been a tough day on here by the looks of things. Stay positive mate.
Hi Frankie,

I am learning slowly, (before Gaz starts I have been subscribed for about 3/4 years but of only started using again last couple of months and this is my only profile promise)

When I started on here I could of had a fight with everyone probably you included, being a tad self opinionated I didn't take to anyone else's view, but you learn as you go along and nights like last night you know the occasional pain is worth it.

It's not the end of the world if we don't but a win tomorrow would be good.
Yeah, the chat on here last night was pretty focused and made a lot of sense. I've been watching the threads on here for a while and actually know somebody who posted on here from when ML took over, but stopped posting recently because of the abuse they felt they received from certain quarters - I always think it's well worth remembering that out of 30k or so supporters at SMS only a miniscule proportion post on here so you are not fighting the majority views. Lets see how tomorrow goes! A win would be massive!!
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Goodness! You very nearly got your name right![/p][/quote]It's Richard to you![/p][/quote]Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?[/p][/quote]Could be. Whatever turns you on![/p][/quote]Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.[/p][/quote]He has not been alone today, unfortunately.[/p][/quote]Queue the TDs! Been out and about today but it's been a tough day on here by the looks of things. Stay positive mate.[/p][/quote]Hi Frankie, I am learning slowly, (before Gaz starts I have been subscribed for about 3/4 years but of only started using again last couple of months and this is my only profile promise) When I started on here I could of had a fight with everyone probably you included, being a tad self opinionated I didn't take to anyone else's view, but you learn as you go along and nights like last night you know the occasional pain is worth it. It's not the end of the world if we don't but a win tomorrow would be good.[/p][/quote]Yeah, the chat on here last night was pretty focused and made a lot of sense. I've been watching the threads on here for a while and actually know somebody who posted on here from when ML took over, but stopped posting recently because of the abuse they felt they received from certain quarters - I always think it's well worth remembering that out of 30k or so supporters at SMS only a miniscule proportion post on here so you are not fighting the majority views. Lets see how tomorrow goes! A win would be massive!! Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 0

10:14pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager.

Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask!

I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances.

The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.
Good assessment RedAndy.
The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now?
Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long.
West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.
To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.
Reckon we are quite a way from what we achieved last year - this year has to be consolidation exercise with a view to being up there biting the ankles of the big boys the following season.

We have to make sure the finishing spot last year doesn't become an albatross around our neck. Remember that's the highest we've EVER achieved in the PL though I do remember coming in 2nd behind Skiverpool in DIV 1 days and if my memory serves me right Skiverpool went and got English clubs banned so we didn't get a chance at Europe either. Often wondered how different our fortune might have been if we done well in Europe that year.
Unless we start an income stream for something other than the Stadium itself we will rarely be a consistent contender for anything other than midtable mediocrity (not good enough) Make the millions, become more marketable, new/enlarged stadium all equals a couple of kids from the conveyor belt for us and another couple to be sold and attracting better and better signings at the same time = ever higher position until we can really frighten the big boys - I won't believe it can't happen. It just might.
But right now none of us should expect miracles, display a little patience and gel this season to expand next. Won't sleep well tonight in expectation for tomorrow - we should match and maybe beat them in their back yard.
Ah. I see the happy clappers cheer leader has moved on from promising us we'd do better this season, despite selling the team, to 'consolidating'. I wondered when that would come! :)

On a serious note a new/expanded stadium is a must. When to do it? You can't wait until the team is in the top six because we've just been told the old team couldn't be kept together and comply with the FFP rules. So the stadium has to be in place before the climb up the league happens. Given that finding a site, designing the stadium, getting planning permission, dealing with any opponents and the various enquires that may ensure could take 5 years then we best start looking.

Once the dust has settled we need KL to set out her vision and plans. They don't have to be to conqueror the world. They don't have to be CL. But we do need to know where we are trying to get to and if that's not as ambitious as Cortese was then so be it.
Second and third paragraphs hugely important to the future of the club. I whole heartedly agree but then found myself sitting in an almost empty row last week. Can we justify a massive new stadium? Not having a pop and I would love to see it too, but are we being realistic?
The huge negativity of this summer is bound to knock on to attendances in the first few games, if Ron plays quality football and we do well they'll be back. When I've got half an hour I want to have a look at Sunderland's attendance figures match for match with ours. Warrens made a valid point that their greater capacity obviously brings their average up. I guess they fill it for the top teams and of course the derby with Newcastle but how do their figures compare on a like for like basis with attendances against the likes of Palace and West Brom? We can sell out a bigger ground for several matches. Location is key too, the more casual fan wants to pitch up, park, watch the game and go home. You can't do that at SMS.

The communication thing is such an obvious. Not intricate detail, not points per season but a general over view of where we are and where we intend to be with approximate time scales. All successful businesses have to have a plan you don't just stumble across growth.
Cracking realism and insight from you tonight Seed. I do think we need to be careful about how much we expect the board to say though; If they'd come out in July and said;

'Hey season ticket holders, just so you know most of our best players want to leave - we're just being honest with you, ok?' Then we would have got a lot less for them than we did! These 'games' are played on so many levels and there are a huge amount of 'actors' to please. I know you get that, but many who post on here do seem a little naïve in that respect.

But this is a conversation well worth carrying on when you've got those stats to hand.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager. Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask! I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances. The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.[/p][/quote]Good assessment RedAndy. The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now? Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long. West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.[/p][/quote]To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Reckon we are quite a way from what we achieved last year - this year has to be consolidation exercise with a view to being up there biting the ankles of the big boys the following season. We have to make sure the finishing spot last year doesn't become an albatross around our neck. Remember that's the highest we've EVER achieved in the PL though I do remember coming in 2nd behind Skiverpool in DIV 1 days and if my memory serves me right Skiverpool went and got English clubs banned so we didn't get a chance at Europe either. Often wondered how different our fortune might have been if we done well in Europe that year. Unless we start an income stream for something other than the Stadium itself we will rarely be a consistent contender for anything other than midtable mediocrity (not good enough) Make the millions, become more marketable, new/enlarged stadium all equals a couple of kids from the conveyor belt for us and another couple to be sold and attracting better and better signings at the same time = ever higher position until we can really frighten the big boys - I won't believe it can't happen. It just might. But right now none of us should expect miracles, display a little patience and gel this season to expand next. Won't sleep well tonight in expectation for tomorrow - we should match and maybe beat them in their back yard.[/p][/quote]Ah. I see the happy clappers cheer leader has moved on from promising us we'd do better this season, despite selling the team, to 'consolidating'. I wondered when that would come! :) On a serious note a new/expanded stadium is a must. When to do it? You can't wait until the team is in the top six because we've just been told the old team couldn't be kept together and comply with the FFP rules. So the stadium has to be in place before the climb up the league happens. Given that finding a site, designing the stadium, getting planning permission, dealing with any opponents and the various enquires that may ensure could take 5 years then we best start looking. Once the dust has settled we need KL to set out her vision and plans. They don't have to be to conqueror the world. They don't have to be CL. But we do need to know where we are trying to get to and if that's not as ambitious as Cortese was then so be it.[/p][/quote]Second and third paragraphs hugely important to the future of the club. I whole heartedly agree but then found myself sitting in an almost empty row last week. Can we justify a massive new stadium? Not having a pop and I would love to see it too, but are we being realistic?[/p][/quote]The huge negativity of this summer is bound to knock on to attendances in the first few games, if Ron plays quality football and we do well they'll be back. When I've got half an hour I want to have a look at Sunderland's attendance figures match for match with ours. Warrens made a valid point that their greater capacity obviously brings their average up. I guess they fill it for the top teams and of course the derby with Newcastle but how do their figures compare on a like for like basis with attendances against the likes of Palace and West Brom? We can sell out a bigger ground for several matches. Location is key too, the more casual fan wants to pitch up, park, watch the game and go home. You can't do that at SMS. The communication thing is such an obvious. Not intricate detail, not points per season but a general over view of where we are and where we intend to be with approximate time scales. All successful businesses have to have a plan you don't just stumble across growth.[/p][/quote]Cracking realism and insight from you tonight Seed. I do think we need to be careful about how much we expect the board to say though; If they'd come out in July and said; 'Hey season ticket holders, just so you know most of our best players want to leave - we're just being honest with you, ok?' Then we would have got a lot less for them than we did! These 'games' are played on so many levels and there are a huge amount of 'actors' to please. I know you get that, but many who post on here do seem a little naïve in that respect. But this is a conversation well worth carrying on when you've got those stats to hand. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 0

10:14pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Goodness! You very nearly got your name right!
It's Richard to you!
Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?
Could be. Whatever turns you on!
Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.
Those are the ones you shouldn't bother to read. Bit like the ones I've ignored slagging me off for stating (albeit in a slightly harsh way) that Jack should be given a new contract. Looking at the general feelings amongst the fans I'd say the vast majority agree with me.
We would like to see JC get a contract, what annoys me is the interpretation of what Ronko said is that he isn't going to get a contract when in fact RonKo said they weren't talking about it yet, a subtle but important difference.
And that is pretty much why my original statement about the Jack Cork situation ,which has caused so much back biting and nasty comments is in fact true. The answers have been wishy washy. There is clearly another issue surrounding this whole saga and we the fans are no nearer the truth.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Goodness! You very nearly got your name right![/p][/quote]It's Richard to you![/p][/quote]Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?[/p][/quote]Could be. Whatever turns you on![/p][/quote]Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.[/p][/quote]Those are the ones you shouldn't bother to read. Bit like the ones I've ignored slagging me off for stating (albeit in a slightly harsh way) that Jack should be given a new contract. Looking at the general feelings amongst the fans I'd say the vast majority agree with me.[/p][/quote]We would like to see JC get a contract, what annoys me is the interpretation of what Ronko said is that he isn't going to get a contract when in fact RonKo said they weren't talking about it yet, a subtle but important difference.[/p][/quote]And that is pretty much why my original statement about the Jack Cork situation ,which has caused so much back biting and nasty comments is in fact true. The answers have been wishy washy. There is clearly another issue surrounding this whole saga and we the fans are no nearer the truth. Clever Dick
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10:16pm Fri 29 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Goodness! You very nearly got your name right!
It's Richard to you!
Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?
Could be. Whatever turns you on!
Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.
He has not been alone today, unfortunately.
Queue the TDs! Been out and about today but it's been a tough day on here by the looks of things. Stay positive mate.
Hi Frankie,

I am learning slowly, (before Gaz starts I have been subscribed for about 3/4 years but of only started using again last couple of months and this is my only profile promise)

When I started on here I could of had a fight with everyone probably you included, being a tad self opinionated I didn't take to anyone else's view, but you learn as you go along and nights like last night you know the occasional pain is worth it.

It's not the end of the world if we don't but a win tomorrow would be good.
http://www.saintsfc.
co.uk/news/article/2
9082014-saphir-taide
r-afcon-call-up-1883
679.aspx

is the only mention on the OS.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Goodness! You very nearly got your name right![/p][/quote]It's Richard to you![/p][/quote]Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?[/p][/quote]Could be. Whatever turns you on![/p][/quote]Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.[/p][/quote]He has not been alone today, unfortunately.[/p][/quote]Queue the TDs! Been out and about today but it's been a tough day on here by the looks of things. Stay positive mate.[/p][/quote]Hi Frankie, I am learning slowly, (before Gaz starts I have been subscribed for about 3/4 years but of only started using again last couple of months and this is my only profile promise) When I started on here I could of had a fight with everyone probably you included, being a tad self opinionated I didn't take to anyone else's view, but you learn as you go along and nights like last night you know the occasional pain is worth it. It's not the end of the world if we don't but a win tomorrow would be good.[/p][/quote]http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/news/article/2 9082014-saphir-taide r-afcon-call-up-1883 679.aspx is the only mention on the OS. OSPREYSAINT
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10:21pm Fri 29 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Clever Dick wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Goodness! You very nearly got your name right!
It's Richard to you!
Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?
Could be. Whatever turns you on!
Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.
Those are the ones you shouldn't bother to read. Bit like the ones I've ignored slagging me off for stating (albeit in a slightly harsh way) that Jack should be given a new contract. Looking at the general feelings amongst the fans I'd say the vast majority agree with me.
We would like to see JC get a contract, what annoys me is the interpretation of what Ronko said is that he isn't going to get a contract when in fact RonKo said they weren't talking about it yet, a subtle but important difference.
And that is pretty much why my original statement about the Jack Cork situation ,which has caused so much back biting and nasty comments is in fact true. The answers have been wishy washy. There is clearly another issue surrounding this whole saga and we the fans are no nearer the truth.
Theirs not to make reply, theirs not to reason why, theirs but to support the Saints until they die.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Goodness! You very nearly got your name right![/p][/quote]It's Richard to you![/p][/quote]Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?[/p][/quote]Could be. Whatever turns you on![/p][/quote]Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.[/p][/quote]Those are the ones you shouldn't bother to read. Bit like the ones I've ignored slagging me off for stating (albeit in a slightly harsh way) that Jack should be given a new contract. Looking at the general feelings amongst the fans I'd say the vast majority agree with me.[/p][/quote]We would like to see JC get a contract, what annoys me is the interpretation of what Ronko said is that he isn't going to get a contract when in fact RonKo said they weren't talking about it yet, a subtle but important difference.[/p][/quote]And that is pretty much why my original statement about the Jack Cork situation ,which has caused so much back biting and nasty comments is in fact true. The answers have been wishy washy. There is clearly another issue surrounding this whole saga and we the fans are no nearer the truth.[/p][/quote]Theirs not to make reply, theirs not to reason why, theirs but to support the Saints until they die. OSPREYSAINT
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10:28pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Saint Angus says...

This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
Saint Angus wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saphir Taider is / has **** off. anyone got the low down?
??
Think it's the African cup of nations qualifying games!
Taider leaves Southampton – joins Sassuolo believed to been sold for 7m euro's great just when you thought it couldn't get any worse!!!!!
Just read it on forza italia! Gutted but then again I guess it could mean good news for JC! Well here's hoping!
[quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Angus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Saphir Taider is / has **** off. anyone got the low down?[/p][/quote]??[/p][/quote]Think it's the African cup of nations qualifying games![/p][/quote]Taider leaves Southampton – joins Sassuolo believed to been sold for 7m euro's great just when you thought it couldn't get any worse!!!!![/p][/quote]Just read it on forza italia! Gutted but then again I guess it could mean good news for JC! Well here's hoping! Saint Angus
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10:29pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager.

Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask!

I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances.

The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.
Good assessment RedAndy.
The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now?
Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long.
West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.
To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.
Reckon we are quite a way from what we achieved last year - this year has to be consolidation exercise with a view to being up there biting the ankles of the big boys the following season.

We have to make sure the finishing spot last year doesn't become an albatross around our neck. Remember that's the highest we've EVER achieved in the PL though I do remember coming in 2nd behind Skiverpool in DIV 1 days and if my memory serves me right Skiverpool went and got English clubs banned so we didn't get a chance at Europe either. Often wondered how different our fortune might have been if we done well in Europe that year.
Unless we start an income stream for something other than the Stadium itself we will rarely be a consistent contender for anything other than midtable mediocrity (not good enough) Make the millions, become more marketable, new/enlarged stadium all equals a couple of kids from the conveyor belt for us and another couple to be sold and attracting better and better signings at the same time = ever higher position until we can really frighten the big boys - I won't believe it can't happen. It just might.
But right now none of us should expect miracles, display a little patience and gel this season to expand next. Won't sleep well tonight in expectation for tomorrow - we should match and maybe beat them in their back yard.
Ah. I see the happy clappers cheer leader has moved on from promising us we'd do better this season, despite selling the team, to 'consolidating'. I wondered when that would come! :)

On a serious note a new/expanded stadium is a must. When to do it? You can't wait until the team is in the top six because we've just been told the old team couldn't be kept together and comply with the FFP rules. So the stadium has to be in place before the climb up the league happens. Given that finding a site, designing the stadium, getting planning permission, dealing with any opponents and the various enquires that may ensure could take 5 years then we best start looking.

Once the dust has settled we need KL to set out her vision and plans. They don't have to be to conqueror the world. They don't have to be CL. But we do need to know where we are trying to get to and if that's not as ambitious as Cortese was then so be it.
Second and third paragraphs hugely important to the future of the club. I whole heartedly agree but then found myself sitting in an almost empty row last week. Can we justify a massive new stadium? Not having a pop and I would love to see it too, but are we being realistic?
The huge negativity of this summer is bound to knock on to attendances in the first few games, if Ron plays quality football and we do well they'll be back. When I've got half an hour I want to have a look at Sunderland's attendance figures match for match with ours. Warrens made a valid point that their greater capacity obviously brings their average up. I guess they fill it for the top teams and of course the derby with Newcastle but how do their figures compare on a like for like basis with attendances against the likes of Palace and West Brom? We can sell out a bigger ground for several matches. Location is key too, the more casual fan wants to pitch up, park, watch the game and go home. You can't do that at SMS.

The communication thing is such an obvious. Not intricate detail, not points per season but a general over view of where we are and where we intend to be with approximate time scales. All successful businesses have to have a plan you don't just stumble across growth.
Cracking realism and insight from you tonight Seed. I do think we need to be careful about how much we expect the board to say though; If they'd come out in July and said;

'Hey season ticket holders, just so you know most of our best players want to leave - we're just being honest with you, ok?' Then we would have got a lot less for them than we did! These 'games' are played on so many levels and there are a huge amount of 'actors' to please. I know you get that, but many who post on here do seem a little naïve in that respect.

But this is a conversation well worth carrying on when you've got those stats to hand.
Of course they're not going to talk about individual players and buying and selling. Realistic ambitions need to be put to the fans and they will get behind it. If successful and sustained a further move forward could be set in the future.

Jesus told me the club was being sold in two years. I agree it seems a strange thing to tell MoPo but if true maybe Cortese knew so he would have told him anyway. A setting out of long term plans dispels these types of 'rumours' because if nothing else it tells us the owner has a long term plan to stay and I think that in itself is huge.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager. Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask! I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances. The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.[/p][/quote]Good assessment RedAndy. The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now? Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long. West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.[/p][/quote]To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Reckon we are quite a way from what we achieved last year - this year has to be consolidation exercise with a view to being up there biting the ankles of the big boys the following season. We have to make sure the finishing spot last year doesn't become an albatross around our neck. Remember that's the highest we've EVER achieved in the PL though I do remember coming in 2nd behind Skiverpool in DIV 1 days and if my memory serves me right Skiverpool went and got English clubs banned so we didn't get a chance at Europe either. Often wondered how different our fortune might have been if we done well in Europe that year. Unless we start an income stream for something other than the Stadium itself we will rarely be a consistent contender for anything other than midtable mediocrity (not good enough) Make the millions, become more marketable, new/enlarged stadium all equals a couple of kids from the conveyor belt for us and another couple to be sold and attracting better and better signings at the same time = ever higher position until we can really frighten the big boys - I won't believe it can't happen. It just might. But right now none of us should expect miracles, display a little patience and gel this season to expand next. Won't sleep well tonight in expectation for tomorrow - we should match and maybe beat them in their back yard.[/p][/quote]Ah. I see the happy clappers cheer leader has moved on from promising us we'd do better this season, despite selling the team, to 'consolidating'. I wondered when that would come! :) On a serious note a new/expanded stadium is a must. When to do it? You can't wait until the team is in the top six because we've just been told the old team couldn't be kept together and comply with the FFP rules. So the stadium has to be in place before the climb up the league happens. Given that finding a site, designing the stadium, getting planning permission, dealing with any opponents and the various enquires that may ensure could take 5 years then we best start looking. Once the dust has settled we need KL to set out her vision and plans. They don't have to be to conqueror the world. They don't have to be CL. But we do need to know where we are trying to get to and if that's not as ambitious as Cortese was then so be it.[/p][/quote]Second and third paragraphs hugely important to the future of the club. I whole heartedly agree but then found myself sitting in an almost empty row last week. Can we justify a massive new stadium? Not having a pop and I would love to see it too, but are we being realistic?[/p][/quote]The huge negativity of this summer is bound to knock on to attendances in the first few games, if Ron plays quality football and we do well they'll be back. When I've got half an hour I want to have a look at Sunderland's attendance figures match for match with ours. Warrens made a valid point that their greater capacity obviously brings their average up. I guess they fill it for the top teams and of course the derby with Newcastle but how do their figures compare on a like for like basis with attendances against the likes of Palace and West Brom? We can sell out a bigger ground for several matches. Location is key too, the more casual fan wants to pitch up, park, watch the game and go home. You can't do that at SMS. The communication thing is such an obvious. Not intricate detail, not points per season but a general over view of where we are and where we intend to be with approximate time scales. All successful businesses have to have a plan you don't just stumble across growth.[/p][/quote]Cracking realism and insight from you tonight Seed. I do think we need to be careful about how much we expect the board to say though; If they'd come out in July and said; 'Hey season ticket holders, just so you know most of our best players want to leave - we're just being honest with you, ok?' Then we would have got a lot less for them than we did! These 'games' are played on so many levels and there are a huge amount of 'actors' to please. I know you get that, but many who post on here do seem a little naïve in that respect. But this is a conversation well worth carrying on when you've got those stats to hand.[/p][/quote]Of course they're not going to talk about individual players and buying and selling. Realistic ambitions need to be put to the fans and they will get behind it. If successful and sustained a further move forward could be set in the future. Jesus told me the club was being sold in two years. I agree it seems a strange thing to tell MoPo but if true maybe Cortese knew so he would have told him anyway. A setting out of long term plans dispels these types of 'rumours' because if nothing else it tells us the owner has a long term plan to stay and I think that in itself is huge. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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10:31pm Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Goodness! You very nearly got your name right!
It's Richard to you!
Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?
Could be. Whatever turns you on!
Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.
He has not been alone today, unfortunately.
Queue the TDs! Been out and about today but it's been a tough day on here by the looks of things. Stay positive mate.
Hi Frankie,

I am learning slowly, (before Gaz starts I have been subscribed for about 3/4 years but of only started using again last couple of months and this is my only profile promise)

When I started on here I could of had a fight with everyone probably you included, being a tad self opinionated I didn't take to anyone else's view, but you learn as you go along and nights like last night you know the occasional pain is worth it.

It's not the end of the world if we don't but a win tomorrow would be good.
Yeah, the chat on here last night was pretty focused and made a lot of sense. I've been watching the threads on here for a while and actually know somebody who posted on here from when ML took over, but stopped posting recently because of the abuse they felt they received from certain quarters - I always think it's well worth remembering that out of 30k or so supporters at SMS only a miniscule proportion post on here so you are not fighting the majority views. Lets see how tomorrow goes! A win would be massive!!
I can understand your friend I have got a tad fed up myself and I am certainly no shrinking violet, it's more the fact that I found I starting to feel that if this is the level of opinion about what I feel are good people who are trying their best to run the club I have loved all my life then unless I stop logging on and listening to their barbed carp It will affect my enjoyment of following saints.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Goodness! You very nearly got your name right![/p][/quote]It's Richard to you![/p][/quote]Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?[/p][/quote]Could be. Whatever turns you on![/p][/quote]Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.[/p][/quote]He has not been alone today, unfortunately.[/p][/quote]Queue the TDs! Been out and about today but it's been a tough day on here by the looks of things. Stay positive mate.[/p][/quote]Hi Frankie, I am learning slowly, (before Gaz starts I have been subscribed for about 3/4 years but of only started using again last couple of months and this is my only profile promise) When I started on here I could of had a fight with everyone probably you included, being a tad self opinionated I didn't take to anyone else's view, but you learn as you go along and nights like last night you know the occasional pain is worth it. It's not the end of the world if we don't but a win tomorrow would be good.[/p][/quote]Yeah, the chat on here last night was pretty focused and made a lot of sense. I've been watching the threads on here for a while and actually know somebody who posted on here from when ML took over, but stopped posting recently because of the abuse they felt they received from certain quarters - I always think it's well worth remembering that out of 30k or so supporters at SMS only a miniscule proportion post on here so you are not fighting the majority views. Lets see how tomorrow goes! A win would be massive!![/p][/quote]I can understand your friend I have got a tad fed up myself and I am certainly no shrinking violet, it's more the fact that I found I starting to feel that if this is the level of opinion about what I feel are good people who are trying their best to run the club I have loved all my life then unless I stop logging on and listening to their barbed carp It will affect my enjoyment of following saints. fascia123
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10:33pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager.

Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask!

I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances.

The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.
Good assessment RedAndy.
The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now?
Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long.
West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.
To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.
Reckon we are quite a way from what we achieved last year - this year has to be consolidation exercise with a view to being up there biting the ankles of the big boys the following season.

We have to make sure the finishing spot last year doesn't become an albatross around our neck. Remember that's the highest we've EVER achieved in the PL though I do remember coming in 2nd behind Skiverpool in DIV 1 days and if my memory serves me right Skiverpool went and got English clubs banned so we didn't get a chance at Europe either. Often wondered how different our fortune might have been if we done well in Europe that year.
Unless we start an income stream for something other than the Stadium itself we will rarely be a consistent contender for anything other than midtable mediocrity (not good enough) Make the millions, become more marketable, new/enlarged stadium all equals a couple of kids from the conveyor belt for us and another couple to be sold and attracting better and better signings at the same time = ever higher position until we can really frighten the big boys - I won't believe it can't happen. It just might.
But right now none of us should expect miracles, display a little patience and gel this season to expand next. Won't sleep well tonight in expectation for tomorrow - we should match and maybe beat them in their back yard.
Ah. I see the happy clappers cheer leader has moved on from promising us we'd do better this season, despite selling the team, to 'consolidating'. I wondered when that would come! :)

On a serious note a new/expanded stadium is a must. When to do it? You can't wait until the team is in the top six because we've just been told the old team couldn't be kept together and comply with the FFP rules. So the stadium has to be in place before the climb up the league happens. Given that finding a site, designing the stadium, getting planning permission, dealing with any opponents and the various enquires that may ensure could take 5 years then we best start looking.

Once the dust has settled we need KL to set out her vision and plans. They don't have to be to conqueror the world. They don't have to be CL. But we do need to know where we are trying to get to and if that's not as ambitious as Cortese was then so be it.
Second and third paragraphs hugely important to the future of the club. I whole heartedly agree but then found myself sitting in an almost empty row last week. Can we justify a massive new stadium? Not having a pop and I would love to see it too, but are we being realistic?
The huge negativity of this summer is bound to knock on to attendances in the first few games, if Ron plays quality football and we do well they'll be back. When I've got half an hour I want to have a look at Sunderland's attendance figures match for match with ours. Warrens made a valid point that their greater capacity obviously brings their average up. I guess they fill it for the top teams and of course the derby with Newcastle but how do their figures compare on a like for like basis with attendances against the likes of Palace and West Brom? We can sell out a bigger ground for several matches. Location is key too, the more casual fan wants to pitch up, park, watch the game and go home. You can't do that at SMS.

The communication thing is such an obvious. Not intricate detail, not points per season but a general over view of where we are and where we intend to be with approximate time scales. All successful businesses have to have a plan you don't just stumble across growth.
Cracking realism and insight from you tonight Seed. I do think we need to be careful about how much we expect the board to say though; If they'd come out in July and said;

'Hey season ticket holders, just so you know most of our best players want to leave - we're just being honest with you, ok?' Then we would have got a lot less for them than we did! These 'games' are played on so many levels and there are a huge amount of 'actors' to please. I know you get that, but many who post on here do seem a little naïve in that respect.

But this is a conversation well worth carrying on when you've got those stats to hand.
Of course they're not going to talk about individual players and buying and selling. Realistic ambitions need to be put to the fans and they will get behind it. If successful and sustained a further move forward could be set in the future.

Jesus told me the club was being sold in two years. I agree it seems a strange thing to tell MoPo but if true maybe Cortese knew so he would have told him anyway. A setting out of long term plans dispels these types of 'rumours' because if nothing else it tells us the owner has a long term plan to stay and I think that in itself is huge.
I think that is the best post ever on here;

'Jesus told me the club was being sold in two years.'

Yeah, and he told me we were signing Messi and Ronaldo ;0) COYS!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager. Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask! I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances. The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.[/p][/quote]Good assessment RedAndy. The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now? Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long. West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.[/p][/quote]To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Reckon we are quite a way from what we achieved last year - this year has to be consolidation exercise with a view to being up there biting the ankles of the big boys the following season. We have to make sure the finishing spot last year doesn't become an albatross around our neck. Remember that's the highest we've EVER achieved in the PL though I do remember coming in 2nd behind Skiverpool in DIV 1 days and if my memory serves me right Skiverpool went and got English clubs banned so we didn't get a chance at Europe either. Often wondered how different our fortune might have been if we done well in Europe that year. Unless we start an income stream for something other than the Stadium itself we will rarely be a consistent contender for anything other than midtable mediocrity (not good enough) Make the millions, become more marketable, new/enlarged stadium all equals a couple of kids from the conveyor belt for us and another couple to be sold and attracting better and better signings at the same time = ever higher position until we can really frighten the big boys - I won't believe it can't happen. It just might. But right now none of us should expect miracles, display a little patience and gel this season to expand next. Won't sleep well tonight in expectation for tomorrow - we should match and maybe beat them in their back yard.[/p][/quote]Ah. I see the happy clappers cheer leader has moved on from promising us we'd do better this season, despite selling the team, to 'consolidating'. I wondered when that would come! :) On a serious note a new/expanded stadium is a must. When to do it? You can't wait until the team is in the top six because we've just been told the old team couldn't be kept together and comply with the FFP rules. So the stadium has to be in place before the climb up the league happens. Given that finding a site, designing the stadium, getting planning permission, dealing with any opponents and the various enquires that may ensure could take 5 years then we best start looking. Once the dust has settled we need KL to set out her vision and plans. They don't have to be to conqueror the world. They don't have to be CL. But we do need to know where we are trying to get to and if that's not as ambitious as Cortese was then so be it.[/p][/quote]Second and third paragraphs hugely important to the future of the club. I whole heartedly agree but then found myself sitting in an almost empty row last week. Can we justify a massive new stadium? Not having a pop and I would love to see it too, but are we being realistic?[/p][/quote]The huge negativity of this summer is bound to knock on to attendances in the first few games, if Ron plays quality football and we do well they'll be back. When I've got half an hour I want to have a look at Sunderland's attendance figures match for match with ours. Warrens made a valid point that their greater capacity obviously brings their average up. I guess they fill it for the top teams and of course the derby with Newcastle but how do their figures compare on a like for like basis with attendances against the likes of Palace and West Brom? We can sell out a bigger ground for several matches. Location is key too, the more casual fan wants to pitch up, park, watch the game and go home. You can't do that at SMS. The communication thing is such an obvious. Not intricate detail, not points per season but a general over view of where we are and where we intend to be with approximate time scales. All successful businesses have to have a plan you don't just stumble across growth.[/p][/quote]Cracking realism and insight from you tonight Seed. I do think we need to be careful about how much we expect the board to say though; If they'd come out in July and said; 'Hey season ticket holders, just so you know most of our best players want to leave - we're just being honest with you, ok?' Then we would have got a lot less for them than we did! These 'games' are played on so many levels and there are a huge amount of 'actors' to please. I know you get that, but many who post on here do seem a little naïve in that respect. But this is a conversation well worth carrying on when you've got those stats to hand.[/p][/quote]Of course they're not going to talk about individual players and buying and selling. Realistic ambitions need to be put to the fans and they will get behind it. If successful and sustained a further move forward could be set in the future. Jesus told me the club was being sold in two years. I agree it seems a strange thing to tell MoPo but if true maybe Cortese knew so he would have told him anyway. A setting out of long term plans dispels these types of 'rumours' because if nothing else it tells us the owner has a long term plan to stay and I think that in itself is huge.[/p][/quote]I think that is the best post ever on here; 'Jesus told me the club was being sold in two years.' Yeah, and he told me we were signing Messi and Ronaldo ;0) COYS! Frankie Bennett
  • Score: -2

10:34pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Goodness! You very nearly got your name right!
It's Richard to you!
Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?
Could be. Whatever turns you on!
Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.
He has not been alone today, unfortunately.
Queue the TDs! Been out and about today but it's been a tough day on here by the looks of things. Stay positive mate.
Hi Frankie,

I am learning slowly, (before Gaz starts I have been subscribed for about 3/4 years but of only started using again last couple of months and this is my only profile promise)

When I started on here I could of had a fight with everyone probably you included, being a tad self opinionated I didn't take to anyone else's view, but you learn as you go along and nights like last night you know the occasional pain is worth it.

It's not the end of the world if we don't but a win tomorrow would be good.
Yeah, the chat on here last night was pretty focused and made a lot of sense. I've been watching the threads on here for a while and actually know somebody who posted on here from when ML took over, but stopped posting recently because of the abuse they felt they received from certain quarters - I always think it's well worth remembering that out of 30k or so supporters at SMS only a miniscule proportion post on here so you are not fighting the majority views. Lets see how tomorrow goes! A win would be massive!!
I can understand your friend I have got a tad fed up myself and I am certainly no shrinking violet, it's more the fact that I found I starting to feel that if this is the level of opinion about what I feel are good people who are trying their best to run the club I have loved all my life then unless I stop logging on and listening to their barbed carp It will affect my enjoyment of following saints.
Just remember to step back and breath when necessary - easier said than done!
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Goodness! You very nearly got your name right![/p][/quote]It's Richard to you![/p][/quote]Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?[/p][/quote]Could be. Whatever turns you on![/p][/quote]Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.[/p][/quote]He has not been alone today, unfortunately.[/p][/quote]Queue the TDs! Been out and about today but it's been a tough day on here by the looks of things. Stay positive mate.[/p][/quote]Hi Frankie, I am learning slowly, (before Gaz starts I have been subscribed for about 3/4 years but of only started using again last couple of months and this is my only profile promise) When I started on here I could of had a fight with everyone probably you included, being a tad self opinionated I didn't take to anyone else's view, but you learn as you go along and nights like last night you know the occasional pain is worth it. It's not the end of the world if we don't but a win tomorrow would be good.[/p][/quote]Yeah, the chat on here last night was pretty focused and made a lot of sense. I've been watching the threads on here for a while and actually know somebody who posted on here from when ML took over, but stopped posting recently because of the abuse they felt they received from certain quarters - I always think it's well worth remembering that out of 30k or so supporters at SMS only a miniscule proportion post on here so you are not fighting the majority views. Lets see how tomorrow goes! A win would be massive!![/p][/quote]I can understand your friend I have got a tad fed up myself and I am certainly no shrinking violet, it's more the fact that I found I starting to feel that if this is the level of opinion about what I feel are good people who are trying their best to run the club I have loved all my life then unless I stop logging on and listening to their barbed carp It will affect my enjoyment of following saints.[/p][/quote]Just remember to step back and breath when necessary - easier said than done! Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 0

10:40pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Here Taider... gone tomorrow.
Here Taider... gone tomorrow. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 4

10:42pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Here Taider... gone tomorrow.
Strange one that. The loan certainly works in this case rather than having spunked £5m on the knob!
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Here Taider... gone tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Strange one that. The loan certainly works in this case rather than having spunked £5m on the knob! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

10:44pm Fri 29 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager.

Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask!

I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances.

The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.
Good assessment RedAndy.
The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now?
Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long.
West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.
To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.
Reckon we are quite a way from what we achieved last year - this year has to be consolidation exercise with a view to being up there biting the ankles of the big boys the following season.

We have to make sure the finishing spot last year doesn't become an albatross around our neck. Remember that's the highest we've EVER achieved in the PL though I do remember coming in 2nd behind Skiverpool in DIV 1 days and if my memory serves me right Skiverpool went and got English clubs banned so we didn't get a chance at Europe either. Often wondered how different our fortune might have been if we done well in Europe that year.
Unless we start an income stream for something other than the Stadium itself we will rarely be a consistent contender for anything other than midtable mediocrity (not good enough) Make the millions, become more marketable, new/enlarged stadium all equals a couple of kids from the conveyor belt for us and another couple to be sold and attracting better and better signings at the same time = ever higher position until we can really frighten the big boys - I won't believe it can't happen. It just might.
But right now none of us should expect miracles, display a little patience and gel this season to expand next. Won't sleep well tonight in expectation for tomorrow - we should match and maybe beat them in their back yard.
Ah. I see the happy clappers cheer leader has moved on from promising us we'd do better this season, despite selling the team, to 'consolidating'. I wondered when that would come! :)

On a serious note a new/expanded stadium is a must. When to do it? You can't wait until the team is in the top six because we've just been told the old team couldn't be kept together and comply with the FFP rules. So the stadium has to be in place before the climb up the league happens. Given that finding a site, designing the stadium, getting planning permission, dealing with any opponents and the various enquires that may ensure could take 5 years then we best start looking.

Once the dust has settled we need KL to set out her vision and plans. They don't have to be to conqueror the world. They don't have to be CL. But we do need to know where we are trying to get to and if that's not as ambitious as Cortese was then so be it.
Second and third paragraphs hugely important to the future of the club. I whole heartedly agree but then found myself sitting in an almost empty row last week. Can we justify a massive new stadium? Not having a pop and I would love to see it too, but are we being realistic?
The huge negativity of this summer is bound to knock on to attendances in the first few games, if Ron plays quality football and we do well they'll be back. When I've got half an hour I want to have a look at Sunderland's attendance figures match for match with ours. Warrens made a valid point that their greater capacity obviously brings their average up. I guess they fill it for the top teams and of course the derby with Newcastle but how do their figures compare on a like for like basis with attendances against the likes of Palace and West Brom? We can sell out a bigger ground for several matches. Location is key too, the more casual fan wants to pitch up, park, watch the game and go home. You can't do that at SMS.

The communication thing is such an obvious. Not intricate detail, not points per season but a general over view of where we are and where we intend to be with approximate time scales. All successful businesses have to have a plan you don't just stumble across growth.
Cracking realism and insight from you tonight Seed. I do think we need to be careful about how much we expect the board to say though; If they'd come out in July and said;

'Hey season ticket holders, just so you know most of our best players want to leave - we're just being honest with you, ok?' Then we would have got a lot less for them than we did! These 'games' are played on so many levels and there are a huge amount of 'actors' to please. I know you get that, but many who post on here do seem a little naïve in that respect.

But this is a conversation well worth carrying on when you've got those stats to hand.
Of course they're not going to talk about individual players and buying and selling. Realistic ambitions need to be put to the fans and they will get behind it. If successful and sustained a further move forward could be set in the future.

Jesus told me the club was being sold in two years. I agree it seems a strange thing to tell MoPo but if true maybe Cortese knew so he would have told him anyway. A setting out of long term plans dispels these types of 'rumours' because if nothing else it tells us the owner has a long term plan to stay and I think that in itself is huge.
It may well have been on the cards at some time, and would have made complete sense to sell, but something appears to have changed in the short term and the owner has taken a different path? Just guessing here. Eventually it would be prudent to find a new owner, nothing lasts for ever in the World of the beautiful game, how often have we been on a high lately, only to be shot down in flames, only to rise again phoenix like.

Sky just mentioned that Taider couldn't handle the training regime, that says a lot about the bloke and Serie A perhaps?

When they said the Players needed extra training, didn't expect it to be on South West Trains though!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager. Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask! I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances. The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.[/p][/quote]Good assessment RedAndy. The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now? Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long. West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.[/p][/quote]To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Reckon we are quite a way from what we achieved last year - this year has to be consolidation exercise with a view to being up there biting the ankles of the big boys the following season. We have to make sure the finishing spot last year doesn't become an albatross around our neck. Remember that's the highest we've EVER achieved in the PL though I do remember coming in 2nd behind Skiverpool in DIV 1 days and if my memory serves me right Skiverpool went and got English clubs banned so we didn't get a chance at Europe either. Often wondered how different our fortune might have been if we done well in Europe that year. Unless we start an income stream for something other than the Stadium itself we will rarely be a consistent contender for anything other than midtable mediocrity (not good enough) Make the millions, become more marketable, new/enlarged stadium all equals a couple of kids from the conveyor belt for us and another couple to be sold and attracting better and better signings at the same time = ever higher position until we can really frighten the big boys - I won't believe it can't happen. It just might. But right now none of us should expect miracles, display a little patience and gel this season to expand next. Won't sleep well tonight in expectation for tomorrow - we should match and maybe beat them in their back yard.[/p][/quote]Ah. I see the happy clappers cheer leader has moved on from promising us we'd do better this season, despite selling the team, to 'consolidating'. I wondered when that would come! :) On a serious note a new/expanded stadium is a must. When to do it? You can't wait until the team is in the top six because we've just been told the old team couldn't be kept together and comply with the FFP rules. So the stadium has to be in place before the climb up the league happens. Given that finding a site, designing the stadium, getting planning permission, dealing with any opponents and the various enquires that may ensure could take 5 years then we best start looking. Once the dust has settled we need KL to set out her vision and plans. They don't have to be to conqueror the world. They don't have to be CL. But we do need to know where we are trying to get to and if that's not as ambitious as Cortese was then so be it.[/p][/quote]Second and third paragraphs hugely important to the future of the club. I whole heartedly agree but then found myself sitting in an almost empty row last week. Can we justify a massive new stadium? Not having a pop and I would love to see it too, but are we being realistic?[/p][/quote]The huge negativity of this summer is bound to knock on to attendances in the first few games, if Ron plays quality football and we do well they'll be back. When I've got half an hour I want to have a look at Sunderland's attendance figures match for match with ours. Warrens made a valid point that their greater capacity obviously brings their average up. I guess they fill it for the top teams and of course the derby with Newcastle but how do their figures compare on a like for like basis with attendances against the likes of Palace and West Brom? We can sell out a bigger ground for several matches. Location is key too, the more casual fan wants to pitch up, park, watch the game and go home. You can't do that at SMS. The communication thing is such an obvious. Not intricate detail, not points per season but a general over view of where we are and where we intend to be with approximate time scales. All successful businesses have to have a plan you don't just stumble across growth.[/p][/quote]Cracking realism and insight from you tonight Seed. I do think we need to be careful about how much we expect the board to say though; If they'd come out in July and said; 'Hey season ticket holders, just so you know most of our best players want to leave - we're just being honest with you, ok?' Then we would have got a lot less for them than we did! These 'games' are played on so many levels and there are a huge amount of 'actors' to please. I know you get that, but many who post on here do seem a little naïve in that respect. But this is a conversation well worth carrying on when you've got those stats to hand.[/p][/quote]Of course they're not going to talk about individual players and buying and selling. Realistic ambitions need to be put to the fans and they will get behind it. If successful and sustained a further move forward could be set in the future. Jesus told me the club was being sold in two years. I agree it seems a strange thing to tell MoPo but if true maybe Cortese knew so he would have told him anyway. A setting out of long term plans dispels these types of 'rumours' because if nothing else it tells us the owner has a long term plan to stay and I think that in itself is huge.[/p][/quote]It may well have been on the cards at some time, and would have made complete sense to sell, but something appears to have changed in the short term and the owner has taken a different path? Just guessing here. Eventually it would be prudent to find a new owner, nothing lasts for ever in the World of the beautiful game, how often have we been on a high lately, only to be shot down in flames, only to rise again phoenix like. Sky just mentioned that Taider couldn't handle the training regime, that says a lot about the bloke and Serie A perhaps? When they said the Players needed extra training, didn't expect it to be on South West Trains though! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

10:51pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager.

Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask!

I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances.

The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.
Good assessment RedAndy.
The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now?
Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long.
West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.
To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.
Reckon we are quite a way from what we achieved last year - this year has to be consolidation exercise with a view to being up there biting the ankles of the big boys the following season.

We have to make sure the finishing spot last year doesn't become an albatross around our neck. Remember that's the highest we've EVER achieved in the PL though I do remember coming in 2nd behind Skiverpool in DIV 1 days and if my memory serves me right Skiverpool went and got English clubs banned so we didn't get a chance at Europe either. Often wondered how different our fortune might have been if we done well in Europe that year.
Unless we start an income stream for something other than the Stadium itself we will rarely be a consistent contender for anything other than midtable mediocrity (not good enough) Make the millions, become more marketable, new/enlarged stadium all equals a couple of kids from the conveyor belt for us and another couple to be sold and attracting better and better signings at the same time = ever higher position until we can really frighten the big boys - I won't believe it can't happen. It just might.
But right now none of us should expect miracles, display a little patience and gel this season to expand next. Won't sleep well tonight in expectation for tomorrow - we should match and maybe beat them in their back yard.
Ah. I see the happy clappers cheer leader has moved on from promising us we'd do better this season, despite selling the team, to 'consolidating'. I wondered when that would come! :)

On a serious note a new/expanded stadium is a must. When to do it? You can't wait until the team is in the top six because we've just been told the old team couldn't be kept together and comply with the FFP rules. So the stadium has to be in place before the climb up the league happens. Given that finding a site, designing the stadium, getting planning permission, dealing with any opponents and the various enquires that may ensure could take 5 years then we best start looking.

Once the dust has settled we need KL to set out her vision and plans. They don't have to be to conqueror the world. They don't have to be CL. But we do need to know where we are trying to get to and if that's not as ambitious as Cortese was then so be it.
Second and third paragraphs hugely important to the future of the club. I whole heartedly agree but then found myself sitting in an almost empty row last week. Can we justify a massive new stadium? Not having a pop and I would love to see it too, but are we being realistic?
The huge negativity of this summer is bound to knock on to attendances in the first few games, if Ron plays quality football and we do well they'll be back. When I've got half an hour I want to have a look at Sunderland's attendance figures match for match with ours. Warrens made a valid point that their greater capacity obviously brings their average up. I guess they fill it for the top teams and of course the derby with Newcastle but how do their figures compare on a like for like basis with attendances against the likes of Palace and West Brom? We can sell out a bigger ground for several matches. Location is key too, the more casual fan wants to pitch up, park, watch the game and go home. You can't do that at SMS.

The communication thing is such an obvious. Not intricate detail, not points per season but a general over view of where we are and where we intend to be with approximate time scales. All successful businesses have to have a plan you don't just stumble across growth.
Cracking realism and insight from you tonight Seed. I do think we need to be careful about how much we expect the board to say though; If they'd come out in July and said;

'Hey season ticket holders, just so you know most of our best players want to leave - we're just being honest with you, ok?' Then we would have got a lot less for them than we did! These 'games' are played on so many levels and there are a huge amount of 'actors' to please. I know you get that, but many who post on here do seem a little naïve in that respect.

But this is a conversation well worth carrying on when you've got those stats to hand.
Of course they're not going to talk about individual players and buying and selling. Realistic ambitions need to be put to the fans and they will get behind it. If successful and sustained a further move forward could be set in the future.

Jesus told me the club was being sold in two years. I agree it seems a strange thing to tell MoPo but if true maybe Cortese knew so he would have told him anyway. A setting out of long term plans dispels these types of 'rumours' because if nothing else it tells us the owner has a long term plan to stay and I think that in itself is huge.
It may well have been on the cards at some time, and would have made complete sense to sell, but something appears to have changed in the short term and the owner has taken a different path? Just guessing here. Eventually it would be prudent to find a new owner, nothing lasts for ever in the World of the beautiful game, how often have we been on a high lately, only to be shot down in flames, only to rise again phoenix like.

Sky just mentioned that Taider couldn't handle the training regime, that says a lot about the bloke and Serie A perhaps?

When they said the Players needed extra training, didn't expect it to be on South West Trains though!
Wow. Good job he never pitched up for Mopo's training!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: Considering the events of the summer and the effects they had on the composition of the first team, I think it's a bit early in the season for us to start criticising the players or the manager. Poor old Ron has got his work cut out for him, he's had to bring in new players in a relatively short space of time, blend them into an effective unit as well as himself getting used to Premiership football. It's a big ask! I bet there have been a fair few of his targets which have turned us down based on a perceived instability at the club, emanating from this summer.s goings on. So Ron has had to play a difficult hand, and to be fair to him he's done well considering the circumstances. The players need time to gel and Ron needs time to get the lay of the land in terms of managing in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll tinker with the formation, tactics and style of play as he manages more game.[/p][/quote]Good assessment RedAndy. The question that needs to be resolved for me after the transfer window closes is how far away from the joys of last season are we now? Rose tinted glasses will only work for so long. West Ham result will give us an instant reality check of where we are right now.[/p][/quote]To true Mush. Big game tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Reckon we are quite a way from what we achieved last year - this year has to be consolidation exercise with a view to being up there biting the ankles of the big boys the following season. We have to make sure the finishing spot last year doesn't become an albatross around our neck. Remember that's the highest we've EVER achieved in the PL though I do remember coming in 2nd behind Skiverpool in DIV 1 days and if my memory serves me right Skiverpool went and got English clubs banned so we didn't get a chance at Europe either. Often wondered how different our fortune might have been if we done well in Europe that year. Unless we start an income stream for something other than the Stadium itself we will rarely be a consistent contender for anything other than midtable mediocrity (not good enough) Make the millions, become more marketable, new/enlarged stadium all equals a couple of kids from the conveyor belt for us and another couple to be sold and attracting better and better signings at the same time = ever higher position until we can really frighten the big boys - I won't believe it can't happen. It just might. But right now none of us should expect miracles, display a little patience and gel this season to expand next. Won't sleep well tonight in expectation for tomorrow - we should match and maybe beat them in their back yard.[/p][/quote]Ah. I see the happy clappers cheer leader has moved on from promising us we'd do better this season, despite selling the team, to 'consolidating'. I wondered when that would come! :) On a serious note a new/expanded stadium is a must. When to do it? You can't wait until the team is in the top six because we've just been told the old team couldn't be kept together and comply with the FFP rules. So the stadium has to be in place before the climb up the league happens. Given that finding a site, designing the stadium, getting planning permission, dealing with any opponents and the various enquires that may ensure could take 5 years then we best start looking. Once the dust has settled we need KL to set out her vision and plans. They don't have to be to conqueror the world. They don't have to be CL. But we do need to know where we are trying to get to and if that's not as ambitious as Cortese was then so be it.[/p][/quote]Second and third paragraphs hugely important to the future of the club. I whole heartedly agree but then found myself sitting in an almost empty row last week. Can we justify a massive new stadium? Not having a pop and I would love to see it too, but are we being realistic?[/p][/quote]The huge negativity of this summer is bound to knock on to attendances in the first few games, if Ron plays quality football and we do well they'll be back. When I've got half an hour I want to have a look at Sunderland's attendance figures match for match with ours. Warrens made a valid point that their greater capacity obviously brings their average up. I guess they fill it for the top teams and of course the derby with Newcastle but how do their figures compare on a like for like basis with attendances against the likes of Palace and West Brom? We can sell out a bigger ground for several matches. Location is key too, the more casual fan wants to pitch up, park, watch the game and go home. You can't do that at SMS. The communication thing is such an obvious. Not intricate detail, not points per season but a general over view of where we are and where we intend to be with approximate time scales. All successful businesses have to have a plan you don't just stumble across growth.[/p][/quote]Cracking realism and insight from you tonight Seed. I do think we need to be careful about how much we expect the board to say though; If they'd come out in July and said; 'Hey season ticket holders, just so you know most of our best players want to leave - we're just being honest with you, ok?' Then we would have got a lot less for them than we did! These 'games' are played on so many levels and there are a huge amount of 'actors' to please. I know you get that, but many who post on here do seem a little naïve in that respect. But this is a conversation well worth carrying on when you've got those stats to hand.[/p][/quote]Of course they're not going to talk about individual players and buying and selling. Realistic ambitions need to be put to the fans and they will get behind it. If successful and sustained a further move forward could be set in the future. Jesus told me the club was being sold in two years. I agree it seems a strange thing to tell MoPo but if true maybe Cortese knew so he would have told him anyway. A setting out of long term plans dispels these types of 'rumours' because if nothing else it tells us the owner has a long term plan to stay and I think that in itself is huge.[/p][/quote]It may well have been on the cards at some time, and would have made complete sense to sell, but something appears to have changed in the short term and the owner has taken a different path? Just guessing here. Eventually it would be prudent to find a new owner, nothing lasts for ever in the World of the beautiful game, how often have we been on a high lately, only to be shot down in flames, only to rise again phoenix like. Sky just mentioned that Taider couldn't handle the training regime, that says a lot about the bloke and Serie A perhaps? When they said the Players needed extra training, didn't expect it to be on South West Trains though![/p][/quote]Wow. Good job he never pitched up for Mopo's training! Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 0

10:52pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Here Taider... gone tomorrow.
Strange one that. The loan certainly works in this case rather than having spunked £5m on the knob!
Yep, that really would have been 5 million down the two dunnies
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Here Taider... gone tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Strange one that. The loan certainly works in this case rather than having spunked £5m on the knob![/p][/quote]Yep, that really would have been 5 million down the two dunnies Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 2

10:59pm Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Here Taider... gone tomorrow.
Very good

I expect he said

I shall be released
I am like a rolling stone
It's the end of the line
I need to be blowing in the wind
I should of been handled with care
Things have changed
Going to hit highway 51
Farewell
Need to go back to magpies farm
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Here Taider... gone tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Very good I expect he said I shall be released I am like a rolling stone It's the end of the line I need to be blowing in the wind I should of been handled with care Things have changed Going to hit highway 51 Farewell Need to go back to magpies farm fascia123
  • Score: 1

11:08pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Invidia says...

What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.
What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear. Invidia
  • Score: -1

11:11pm Fri 29 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.
Not surprised that you appear when something negative comes up, never a peep out of you when there is good news, why is that?
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.[/p][/quote]Not surprised that you appear when something negative comes up, never a peep out of you when there is good news, why is that? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:13pm Fri 29 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

WTF??? How can Taider just leave?????
WTF??? How can Taider just leave????? KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 0

11:14pm Fri 29 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
WTF??? How can Taider just leave?????
He was on a try before you buy deal, we tried and didn't like the merchandise, return to sender.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: WTF??? How can Taider just leave?????[/p][/quote]He was on a try before you buy deal, we tried and didn't like the merchandise, return to sender. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:16pm Fri 29 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
WTF??? How can Taider just leave?????
He was on a try before you buy deal, we tried and didn't like the merchandise, return to sender.
Seems pretty unfair when he hardly played a game.... and when he did at Leverkusen and the under 21 game the reports were good! 23 days?? that's a joke.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: WTF??? How can Taider just leave?????[/p][/quote]He was on a try before you buy deal, we tried and didn't like the merchandise, return to sender.[/p][/quote]Seems pretty unfair when he hardly played a game.... and when he did at Leverkusen and the under 21 game the reports were good! 23 days?? that's a joke. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: -1

11:19pm Fri 29 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
WTF??? How can Taider just leave?????
He was on a try before you buy deal, we tried and didn't like the merchandise, return to sender.
Seems pretty unfair when he hardly played a game.... and when he did at Leverkusen and the under 21 game the reports were good! 23 days?? that's a joke.
To be honest it appears to have been his own decision, not ours, the truth is out there somewhere, whether we will ever know it, is another tale altogether!
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: WTF??? How can Taider just leave?????[/p][/quote]He was on a try before you buy deal, we tried and didn't like the merchandise, return to sender.[/p][/quote]Seems pretty unfair when he hardly played a game.... and when he did at Leverkusen and the under 21 game the reports were good! 23 days?? that's a joke.[/p][/quote]To be honest it appears to have been his own decision, not ours, the truth is out there somewhere, whether we will ever know it, is another tale altogether! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

11:19pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Invidia says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Invidia wrote:
What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.
Not surprised that you appear when something negative comes up, never a peep out of you when there is good news, why is that?
I don't like you or your other logons either
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.[/p][/quote]Not surprised that you appear when something negative comes up, never a peep out of you when there is good news, why is that?[/p][/quote]I don't like you or your other logons either Invidia
  • Score: 0

11:20pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Here Taider... gone tomorrow.
Very good

I expect he said

I shall be released
I am like a rolling stone
It's the end of the line
I need to be blowing in the wind
I should of been handled with care
Things have changed
Going to hit highway 51
Farewell
Need to go back to magpies farm
One training session and he broke,just like a little girl.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Here Taider... gone tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Very good I expect he said I shall be released I am like a rolling stone It's the end of the line I need to be blowing in the wind I should of been handled with care Things have changed Going to hit highway 51 Farewell Need to go back to magpies farm[/p][/quote]One training session and he broke,just like a little girl. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

11:20pm Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Invidia wrote:
What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.
What is that supposed to mean??
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.[/p][/quote]What is that supposed to mean?? fascia123
  • Score: 0

11:21pm Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Here Taider... gone tomorrow.
Very good

I expect he said

I shall be released
I am like a rolling stone
It's the end of the line
I need to be blowing in the wind
I should of been handled with care
Things have changed
Going to hit highway 51
Farewell
Need to go back to magpies farm
One training session and he broke,just like a little girl.
Ain't that just like a woman
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Here Taider... gone tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Very good I expect he said I shall be released I am like a rolling stone It's the end of the line I need to be blowing in the wind I should of been handled with care Things have changed Going to hit highway 51 Farewell Need to go back to magpies farm[/p][/quote]One training session and he broke,just like a little girl.[/p][/quote]Ain't that just like a woman fascia123
  • Score: 0

11:25pm Fri 29 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

With due respect to everyone's opinions and the background story why didn't we get a different player to begin with from Inter when we already had more than enough central midfielders? This transfer while solved one problem has ended up being a waste of time and resources. I'm not expecting to be popular with this comment but by all accounts he seemed like a promising young player and I do not understand why we were in such a hurry to let him go, even if he wanted to. At the very least we should have got another player in first before doing so.
With due respect to everyone's opinions and the background story why didn't we get a different player to begin with from Inter when we already had more than enough central midfielders? This transfer while solved one problem has ended up being a waste of time and resources. I'm not expecting to be popular with this comment but by all accounts he seemed like a promising young player and I do not understand why we were in such a hurry to let him go, even if he wanted to. At the very least we should have got another player in first before doing so. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: -1

11:25pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
WTF??? How can Taider just leave?????
He was on a try before you buy deal, we tried and didn't like the merchandise, return to sender.
Seems pretty unfair when he hardly played a game.... and when he did at Leverkusen and the under 21 game the reports were good! 23 days?? that's a joke.
To be honest it appears to have been his own decision, not ours, the truth is out there somewhere, whether we will ever know it, is another tale altogether!
There's been a lot of that recently!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: WTF??? How can Taider just leave?????[/p][/quote]He was on a try before you buy deal, we tried and didn't like the merchandise, return to sender.[/p][/quote]Seems pretty unfair when he hardly played a game.... and when he did at Leverkusen and the under 21 game the reports were good! 23 days?? that's a joke.[/p][/quote]To be honest it appears to have been his own decision, not ours, the truth is out there somewhere, whether we will ever know it, is another tale altogether![/p][/quote]There's been a lot of that recently! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

11:26pm Fri 29 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Invidia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Invidia wrote:
What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.
Not surprised that you appear when something negative comes up, never a peep out of you when there is good news, why is that?
I don't like you or your other logons either
Only one log on as you well know, and feelings are mutual, let's agree to differ, because if I agreed with you, we would both be wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.[/p][/quote]Not surprised that you appear when something negative comes up, never a peep out of you when there is good news, why is that?[/p][/quote]I don't like you or your other logons either[/p][/quote]Only one log on as you well know, and feelings are mutual, let's agree to differ, because if I agreed with you, we would both be wrong. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:30pm Fri 29 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
WTF??? How can Taider just leave?????
He was on a try before you buy deal, we tried and didn't like the merchandise, return to sender.
Seems pretty unfair when he hardly played a game.... and when he did at Leverkusen and the under 21 game the reports were good! 23 days?? that's a joke.
To be honest it appears to have been his own decision, not ours, the truth is out there somewhere, whether we will ever know it, is another tale altogether!
There's been a lot of that recently!
Plenty more where that came from!
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: WTF??? How can Taider just leave?????[/p][/quote]He was on a try before you buy deal, we tried and didn't like the merchandise, return to sender.[/p][/quote]Seems pretty unfair when he hardly played a game.... and when he did at Leverkusen and the under 21 game the reports were good! 23 days?? that's a joke.[/p][/quote]To be honest it appears to have been his own decision, not ours, the truth is out there somewhere, whether we will ever know it, is another tale altogether![/p][/quote]There's been a lot of that recently![/p][/quote]Plenty more where that came from! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:31pm Fri 29 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

fascia123 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
Goodness! You very nearly got your name right!
It's Richard to you!
Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?
Could be. Whatever turns you on!
Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.
He has not been alone today, unfortunately.
Indeed: costa spaz, Utter Dick, sammy2sh1ts - they're all here, or one and the same person, who knows.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.[/p][/quote]Goodness! You very nearly got your name right![/p][/quote]It's Richard to you![/p][/quote]Would that be the much vaunted Richard Cranium?[/p][/quote]Could be. Whatever turns you on![/p][/quote]Some of your posts are the equivalent of an off switch.[/p][/quote]He has not been alone today, unfortunately.[/p][/quote]Indeed: costa spaz, Utter Dick, sammy2sh1ts - they're all here, or one and the same person, who knows. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

11:33pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Invidia says...

fascia123 wrote:
Invidia wrote:
What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.
What is that supposed to mean??
You were in so much of a hurry to reply, that you forgot who you were. besides we have moved on to the new thread.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.[/p][/quote]What is that supposed to mean??[/p][/quote]You were in so much of a hurry to reply, that you forgot who you were. besides we have moved on to the new thread. Invidia
  • Score: -1

11:34pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
WTF??? How can Taider just leave?????
He was on a try before you buy deal, we tried and didn't like the merchandise, return to sender.
Seems pretty unfair when he hardly played a game.... and when he did at Leverkusen and the under 21 game the reports were good! 23 days?? that's a joke.
To be honest it appears to have been his own decision, not ours, the truth is out there somewhere, whether we will ever know it, is another tale altogether!
There's been a lot of that recently!
Plenty more where that came from!
That's why I find Ron's openness and honesty so refreshing. Every time he says something,it makes you feel all warm inside. Let's just hope he doesn't ever become tainted and cynical..like me. ;0)
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: WTF??? How can Taider just leave?????[/p][/quote]He was on a try before you buy deal, we tried and didn't like the merchandise, return to sender.[/p][/quote]Seems pretty unfair when he hardly played a game.... and when he did at Leverkusen and the under 21 game the reports were good! 23 days?? that's a joke.[/p][/quote]To be honest it appears to have been his own decision, not ours, the truth is out there somewhere, whether we will ever know it, is another tale altogether![/p][/quote]There's been a lot of that recently![/p][/quote]Plenty more where that came from![/p][/quote]That's why I find Ron's openness and honesty so refreshing. Every time he says something,it makes you feel all warm inside. Let's just hope he doesn't ever become tainted and cynical..like me. ;0) Positively4thStreet
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11:35pm Fri 29 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Stnana wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saphir Taider is / has **** off. anyone got the low down?
All over Twitter apparently he couldn't settle here and has gone back to Italy. So what happens with Osvaldo now ?
Well that's a bonus, clearly Ron thought he was a bit cack. Thought he'd just end up wasting space on the bench. All means we have space for another loan deal, and hopefully a better option. Hope we didn't waste too much time on the guy though.
[quote][p][bold]Stnana[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Saphir Taider is / has **** off. anyone got the low down?[/p][/quote]All over Twitter apparently he couldn't settle here and has gone back to Italy. So what happens with Osvaldo now ?[/p][/quote]Well that's a bonus, clearly Ron thought he was a bit cack. Thought he'd just end up wasting space on the bench. All means we have space for another loan deal, and hopefully a better option. Hope we didn't waste too much time on the guy though. SaintJD
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11:39pm Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Invidia wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Invidia wrote:
What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.
What is that supposed to mean??
You were in so much of a hurry to reply, that you forgot who you were. besides we have moved on to the new thread.
Not a clue what you are on about
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.[/p][/quote]What is that supposed to mean??[/p][/quote]You were in so much of a hurry to reply, that you forgot who you were. besides we have moved on to the new thread.[/p][/quote]Not a clue what you are on about fascia123
  • Score: 1

11:51pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Invidia wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Invidia wrote:
What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.
What is that supposed to mean??
You were in so much of a hurry to reply, that you forgot who you were. besides we have moved on to the new thread.
Not a clue what you are on about
There's a thread on about the fallen tree stump in Sholing,haven't you spotted it? Four comments already..should get exciting!
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.[/p][/quote]What is that supposed to mean??[/p][/quote]You were in so much of a hurry to reply, that you forgot who you were. besides we have moved on to the new thread.[/p][/quote]Not a clue what you are on about[/p][/quote]There's a thread on about the fallen tree stump in Sholing,haven't you spotted it? Four comments already..should get exciting! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

11:58pm Fri 29 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Invidia wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Invidia wrote:
What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.
What is that supposed to mean??
You were in so much of a hurry to reply, that you forgot who you were. besides we have moved on to the new thread.
Not a clue what you are on about
There's a thread on about the fallen tree stump in Sholing,haven't you spotted it? Four comments already..should get exciting!
Must be time for bed.

Good night.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.[/p][/quote]What is that supposed to mean??[/p][/quote]You were in so much of a hurry to reply, that you forgot who you were. besides we have moved on to the new thread.[/p][/quote]Not a clue what you are on about[/p][/quote]There's a thread on about the fallen tree stump in Sholing,haven't you spotted it? Four comments already..should get exciting![/p][/quote]Must be time for bed. Good night. fascia123
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12:07am Sat 30 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Invidia wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Invidia wrote:
What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.
What is that supposed to mean??
You were in so much of a hurry to reply, that you forgot who you were. besides we have moved on to the new thread.
Not a clue what you are on about
There's a thread on about the fallen tree stump in Sholing,haven't you spotted it? Four comments already..should get exciting!
Must be time for bed.

Good night.
No cocoa?
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.[/p][/quote]What is that supposed to mean??[/p][/quote]You were in so much of a hurry to reply, that you forgot who you were. besides we have moved on to the new thread.[/p][/quote]Not a clue what you are on about[/p][/quote]There's a thread on about the fallen tree stump in Sholing,haven't you spotted it? Four comments already..should get exciting![/p][/quote]Must be time for bed. Good night.[/p][/quote]No cocoa? Positively4thStreet
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12:11am Sat 30 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Invidia wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Invidia wrote:
What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.
What is that supposed to mean??
You were in so much of a hurry to reply, that you forgot who you were. besides we have moved on to the new thread.
Not a clue what you are on about
There's a thread on about the fallen tree stump in Sholing,haven't you spotted it? Four comments already..should get exciting!
Must be time for bed.

Good night.
No cocoa?
One more cup of coffee, maybe.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.[/p][/quote]What is that supposed to mean??[/p][/quote]You were in so much of a hurry to reply, that you forgot who you were. besides we have moved on to the new thread.[/p][/quote]Not a clue what you are on about[/p][/quote]There's a thread on about the fallen tree stump in Sholing,haven't you spotted it? Four comments already..should get exciting![/p][/quote]Must be time for bed. Good night.[/p][/quote]No cocoa?[/p][/quote]One more cup of coffee, maybe. fascia123
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12:17am Sat 30 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Invidia wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Invidia wrote:
What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.
What is that supposed to mean??
You were in so much of a hurry to reply, that you forgot who you were. besides we have moved on to the new thread.
Not a clue what you are on about
There's a thread on about the fallen tree stump in Sholing,haven't you spotted it? Four comments already..should get exciting!
Must be time for bed.

Good night.
No cocoa?
One more cup of coffee, maybe.
That's what I desire.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.[/p][/quote]What is that supposed to mean??[/p][/quote]You were in so much of a hurry to reply, that you forgot who you were. besides we have moved on to the new thread.[/p][/quote]Not a clue what you are on about[/p][/quote]There's a thread on about the fallen tree stump in Sholing,haven't you spotted it? Four comments already..should get exciting![/p][/quote]Must be time for bed. Good night.[/p][/quote]No cocoa?[/p][/quote]One more cup of coffee, maybe.[/p][/quote]That's what I desire. Positively4thStreet
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12:19am Sat 30 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Invidia wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Invidia wrote:
What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.
What is that supposed to mean??
You were in so much of a hurry to reply, that you forgot who you were. besides we have moved on to the new thread.
Not a clue what you are on about
There's a thread on about the fallen tree stump in Sholing,haven't you spotted it? Four comments already..should get exciting!
Must be time for bed.

Good night.
No cocoa?
One more cup of coffee, maybe.
That's what I desire.
Jokerman
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: What on earth is going on at St Mary's. the fans don't know if their a.rse is punched or (Facia) Bored. When will the Chairman explain what we want to know? It,s enough to make a Saint swear.[/p][/quote]What is that supposed to mean??[/p][/quote]You were in so much of a hurry to reply, that you forgot who you were. besides we have moved on to the new thread.[/p][/quote]Not a clue what you are on about[/p][/quote]There's a thread on about the fallen tree stump in Sholing,haven't you spotted it? Four comments already..should get exciting![/p][/quote]Must be time for bed. Good night.[/p][/quote]No cocoa?[/p][/quote]One more cup of coffee, maybe.[/p][/quote]That's what I desire.[/p][/quote]Jokerman fascia123
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12:28am Sat 30 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Chapperall wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
So yet again RK gives us a wishy washy answer about Jack Cork. I've never heard such a load of bo110x about a footballer ever. We all know he is good enough as he proves it every time he walks on the pitch. Give him a decent contract and get him signed up NOW. Stop p1$$ing about. As for the other signings I guess it's the usual wait until 30 seconds before the window shuts.
If the powers that be really want to keep Jack Cork then why wasn't given a new contract when Jose Fonte was.
A few seasons ago Jack was an integral part of the England under 21 set up. and given a consistent run in the Saints first eleven he could have graduated to the full England squad.He has always given his all for Saints yet last season one got the impression that the powers that be wanted to slowly freeze him out.
Victor Wanyama should complement a player of Jack Cork's ability not replace him.
I think the problem might be with Les Reed the man who sanctioned the buying of Tadanari Lee, Osvaldo, and the supposedly wonder centre half from Norway, Voron-or whatever his name was.
Les Reed has brought a few turkeys to the club so he owes it to the fans to keep a decent player like Jack Cork.
Maybe the Echo can do some proper journalism for once and get a statement from Mr Reed about Jack's future.
Hopefully Ronald K will do the decent thing and pick Cork for the match against West Ham and Jack will return the favour by scoring the winner for Saints.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE STRIPES.
You see from previous posts I am a big JC fan, as a previous post suggests we only watch from the stands and on television and in fairness that's not that often as he is only an occasional inclusion.

The manager works with him day in day out and I would trust his football knowledge above mine or any of the posters on here, also is it three or is it four managers that JC has played under, has he ever been a first eleven player under any of them?

I believe previous posts have shot down the ridiculous theory that it has something to do with JC not being one of Les Reeds signings, for good sake come on, what a load of tripe.
Love it you beat me to it . Ignore their idiotic blogs
It's hard too when they are so idiotic though isn't it?

'Les Reed brought in a