Schneiderlin has NOT handed in a transfer request - contrary to reports

Schneiderlin has NOT handed in a transfer request - contrary to reports

Schneiderlin has NOT handed in a transfer request - contrary to reports

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MORGAN Schneiderlin has NOT handed in a transfer request at Saints, the Daily Echo understands.

There were reports this morning that the Frenchman had taken that action after chairman Ralph Krueger said yesterday the midfielder would not be joining the St Mary's exodus this summer.

There was also a report today that Schneiderlin refused to train with the rest of the Saints squad, but the Echo understands he was at Staplewood as normal.

The midfielder is unhappy, however, at being told he will not be sold.

He tweeted last night: "6 years of an amazing journey #saintsfc DESTROYED in 1 hour !!!"

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12:54pm Wed 30 Jul 14

lambo83 says...

Bit early for the pantomime season isn't it?

BUY SOME PLAYERS
Bit early for the pantomime season isn't it? BUY SOME PLAYERS lambo83
  • Score: 26

12:55pm Wed 30 Jul 14

worried of n e hampshire says...

O no it's not!
O no it's not! worried of n e hampshire
  • Score: 24

12:56pm Wed 30 Jul 14

SaintBen says...

He's behind you!!
He's behind you!! SaintBen
  • Score: 15

12:58pm Wed 30 Jul 14

IanRC5 says...

Excellent news if true. He has been a model professional to date and whilst the twitter incident was unfortunate I would expect him to knuckle down and do his job.
Excellent news if true. He has been a model professional to date and whilst the twitter incident was unfortunate I would expect him to knuckle down and do his job. IanRC5
  • Score: 42

12:59pm Wed 30 Jul 14

damoose says...

repost :I think the answers to what+ is going on are in this article


http://www.footyplac

e.com/features/ffp-t

o-blame-for-southamp

ton-exodus-073029811

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repost :I think the answers to what+ is going on are in this article http://www.footyplac e.com/features/ffp-t o-blame-for-southamp ton-exodus-073029811 0? damoose
  • Score: 26

12:59pm Wed 30 Jul 14

03alpe01 says...

He will still leave.
He will still leave. 03alpe01
  • Score: -15

1:00pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Steve_N says...

I'll be so pleased when the transfer window closes and we can then see what sort of squad we'll have for the new season. All this is really pi$$ing me off!
I'll be so pleased when the transfer window closes and we can then see what sort of squad we'll have for the new season. All this is really pi$$ing me off! Steve_N
  • Score: 31

1:02pm Wed 30 Jul 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

Sounds like GOOD OLD media hype !!
Not everything WE read is TRUE !
Sounds like GOOD OLD media hype !! Not everything WE read is TRUE ! SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 18

1:03pm Wed 30 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

03alpe01 wrote:
He will still leave.
of course he will..... he will sulk..... we will sign 3 new players then some idiot club will offer £28M and off he goes.... and good riddance.... get rid of the whinging disloyal sh1te and get in the new era of players...
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: He will still leave.[/p][/quote]of course he will..... he will sulk..... we will sign 3 new players then some idiot club will offer £28M and off he goes.... and good riddance.... get rid of the whinging disloyal sh1te and get in the new era of players... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 3

1:03pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Scotty1980 says...

Hope he stays could poss make very good captain
Hope he stays could poss make very good captain Scotty1980
  • Score: 16

1:07pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Benali76 says...

After making a fool of myself by continually making assessments about what might be happening and why only for the next snippet of info to show I was wrong, can I officially state I haven't got a frigging clue what is happening - suffice to say it's generally not good.. I think that goes for most of us. I am just gonna wait for the season, cheer on whoever plays in a Saints shirt and hope we win. It's better for my health.
After making a fool of myself by continually making assessments about what might be happening and why only for the next snippet of info to show I was wrong, can I officially state I haven't got a frigging clue what is happening - suffice to say it's generally not good.. I think that goes for most of us. I am just gonna wait for the season, cheer on whoever plays in a Saints shirt and hope we win. It's better for my health. Benali76
  • Score: 67

1:07pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Poglong Perry says...

So what the fu*k is this about then!!!!

https://m.facebook.c
om/story.php?story_f
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2&id=10911153761
So what the fu*k is this about then!!!! https://m.facebook.c om/story.php?story_f bid=1015252578188376 2&id=10911153761 Poglong Perry
  • Score: -7

1:11pm Wed 30 Jul 14

u bunch of mugs says...

How can he play now after his outburst sell the French pri@k.
How can he play now after his outburst sell the French pri@k. u bunch of mugs
  • Score: -19

1:12pm Wed 30 Jul 14

bstokesaint says...

I've always had the utmost respect for Morgan, but that was seriously challenged yesterday. I think footballers should be banned from social media full stop. Luke Shaw favourited a Man U ‘fan's’ comment about coming to OT (back before the World Cup) and from that point on we knew we'd lost him, despite him being under contract to us. And then Morgan follows and unfollows the official Spurs handle in quick succession followed by his childish rant. I also seem to remember Adam Lallana coming off Twitter because he came under fire for events in his personal life. Whilst I think this in itself is wrong, and sometimes it is a privilege to share in the life of a professional footballer (though often very dull and consisting mainly of following a number of teenage girls), the audience are real life and you will be judged hugely, very quickly by what you say. The worst thing for Adam is if he closed his Twitter account because he took a bit of stick there, he may want to feign injury when Liverpool visit St. Mary’s!

Anyway, getting back to Morgan.. It sounds like Ralph has made his position clear. If he goes back on his word now his credibility will be smashed to smithereens. I seriously hope Morgan can be turned around by RoKo because he has been an excellent servant to us. I did also previously consider him captain material. As others have stated I also happen to think he’s the best midfielder in the EPL and he should be insulted if Tottenham did really bid £13m for him. That is a derisory offer.
I've always had the utmost respect for Morgan, but that was seriously challenged yesterday. I think footballers should be banned from social media full stop. Luke Shaw favourited a Man U ‘fan's’ comment about coming to OT (back before the World Cup) and from that point on we knew we'd lost him, despite him being under contract to us. And then Morgan follows and unfollows the official Spurs handle in quick succession followed by his childish rant. I also seem to remember Adam Lallana coming off Twitter because he came under fire for events in his personal life. Whilst I think this in itself is wrong, and sometimes it is a privilege to share in the life of a professional footballer (though often very dull and consisting mainly of following a number of teenage girls), the audience are real life and you will be judged hugely, very quickly by what you say. The worst thing for Adam is if he closed his Twitter account because he took a bit of stick there, he may want to feign injury when Liverpool visit St. Mary’s! Anyway, getting back to Morgan.. It sounds like Ralph has made his position clear. If he goes back on his word now his credibility will be smashed to smithereens. I seriously hope Morgan can be turned around by RoKo because he has been an excellent servant to us. I did also previously consider him captain material. As others have stated I also happen to think he’s the best midfielder in the EPL and he should be insulted if Tottenham did really bid £13m for him. That is a derisory offer. bstokesaint
  • Score: 42

1:16pm Wed 30 Jul 14

SaintBen says...

damoose wrote:
repost :I think the answers to what+ is going on are in this article


http://www.footyplac


e.com/features/ffp-t


o-blame-for-southamp


ton-exodus-073029811


0?
A great read!! Gives another slant on the whole FFP situation and if the club did take this route, then they'd really be in a good place to get the brand truely global! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: repost :I think the answers to what+ is going on are in this article http://www.footyplac e.com/features/ffp-t o-blame-for-southamp ton-exodus-073029811 0?[/p][/quote]A great read!! Gives another slant on the whole FFP situation and if the club did take this route, then they'd really be in a good place to get the brand truely global! ;-) SaintBen
  • Score: 14

1:25pm Wed 30 Jul 14

FleetSaint says...

I still say let him rot. Then in September he can try and get in the team again. Boo Hoo Morgan. At some point you have to make a stand. That said if Spurs come in with a £25M offer then you have to take it. If reports of £10-12M are true then the club has every right to say "NO". Every player has his price. Liverpool sold Suarez and Spurs sold Bale. I am sure if Man City offered £500M for Messi they would sell him.
I still say let him rot. Then in September he can try and get in the team again. Boo Hoo Morgan. At some point you have to make a stand. That said if Spurs come in with a £25M offer then you have to take it. If reports of £10-12M are true then the club has every right to say "NO". Every player has his price. Liverpool sold Suarez and Spurs sold Bale. I am sure if Man City offered £500M for Messi they would sell him. FleetSaint
  • Score: 6

1:25pm Wed 30 Jul 14

03alpe01 says...

Why are some people still saying he will stay? I'm 110% certain he WILL be a Tottenham player before you can say 'loyalty'
Why are some people still saying he will stay? I'm 110% certain he WILL be a Tottenham player before you can say 'loyalty' 03alpe01
  • Score: -18

1:27pm Wed 30 Jul 14

FleetSaint says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
How can he play now after his outburst sell the French pri@k.
If you sold every player on his period then no one would ever have any players.
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: How can he play now after his outburst sell the French pri@k.[/p][/quote]If you sold every player on his period then no one would ever have any players. FleetSaint
  • Score: 8

1:27pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Chriops says...

It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play' Chriops
  • Score: 42

1:31pm Wed 30 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
Sounds like GOOD OLD media hype !!
Not everything WE read is TRUE !
How do I know what you've just said is true then, and how do I know that what ive just asked is true? Oh God my head hurts! Or does it, I just don't know!

:-D ;0)
[quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: Sounds like GOOD OLD media hype !! Not everything WE read is TRUE ![/p][/quote]How do I know what you've just said is true then, and how do I know that what ive just asked is true? Oh God my head hurts! Or does it, I just don't know! :-D ;0) de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 7

1:39pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Crossley Place Saint says...

Echo says he hasn't submitted a transfer request.

Skysports says he has, as of an hour ago.
http://www1.skysport
s.com/football/news/
11700/9400079/transf
er-news-southampton-
midfielder-morgan-sc
hneiderlin-hands-in-
transfer-request

Skybet still quoting 1/8 that he'll be a Spuds next season.
Echo says he hasn't submitted a transfer request. Skysports says he has, as of an hour ago. http://www1.skysport s.com/football/news/ 11700/9400079/transf er-news-southampton- midfielder-morgan-sc hneiderlin-hands-in- transfer-request Skybet still quoting 1/8 that he'll be a Spuds next season. Crossley Place Saint
  • Score: 1

1:45pm Wed 30 Jul 14

St Van Roetford says...

I've NOT had a very nice lunch, to be honest.

It was a little pot of humous with nothing but crackers to dip in it. 3/10.
I've NOT had a very nice lunch, to be honest. It was a little pot of humous with nothing but crackers to dip in it. 3/10. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 3

1:47pm Wed 30 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

Crossley Place Saint wrote:
Echo says he hasn't submitted a transfer request.

Skysports says he has, as of an hour ago.
http://www1.skysport

s.com/football/news/

11700/9400079/transf

er-news-southampton-

midfielder-morgan-sc

hneiderlin-hands-in-

transfer-request

Skybet still quoting 1/8 that he'll be a Spuds next season.
If he hasn't he will by the end of the day !
[quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: Echo says he hasn't submitted a transfer request. Skysports says he has, as of an hour ago. http://www1.skysport s.com/football/news/ 11700/9400079/transf er-news-southampton- midfielder-morgan-sc hneiderlin-hands-in- transfer-request Skybet still quoting 1/8 that he'll be a Spuds next season.[/p][/quote]If he hasn't he will by the end of the day ! one in the crowd
  • Score: 3

1:51pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Ozmosis says...

I prefer humous with crusty bread. Fab!
I prefer humous with crusty bread. Fab! Ozmosis
  • Score: 5

1:52pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Tony in Liberia says...

Morgan's twitter was 11 words long, so it can hardly be a full and accurate statement of intent; it is open to several different interpretations, not all of them mean he wants to leave.

For instance - I don't know how twitter works, but when he says #saints destroyed in one hour, couldn't that mean that he has now realised that the Saints project he and the other players were sold by Cortese is over (not surprising as it wasn't possible in the first place), and he is lamenting what could of been at Saints? The fact that he says 'destroyed in an hour' certainly suggests that he was referring to the whole discussion of the future of the club, not just his personal situation; saying "can I have a transfer?" "no", takes about 5 seconds, so the other 55.55 minutes must have been spent talking about other things, and it could be those that he is commenting on.

What is certain is that, until a definitive statement comes up, we are just speculating, and what's also certain is that if we want Morgan to stay and to build a team around him, then throwing insults in his direction isn't going to help.

To quote a reviewer of the movie Jackie Brown, "you don't know what's going on until you know what's going on". Let's wait until we find out.

Great link to the FFP article, which supports what I've been saying on other threads.

And most importantly, my thoughts to Costa Gaz - contrary to what Shankly said, football is just a game - that's real life, and I feel much more for you than I do for how many times a bunch of men can stick a bag of air into an oversized onion-bag.
Morgan's twitter was 11 words long, so it can hardly be a full and accurate statement of intent; it is open to several different interpretations, not all of them mean he wants to leave. For instance - I don't know how twitter works, but when he says #saints destroyed in one hour, couldn't that mean that he has now realised that the Saints project he and the other players were sold by Cortese is over (not surprising as it wasn't possible in the first place), and he is lamenting what could of been at Saints? The fact that he says 'destroyed in an hour' certainly suggests that he was referring to the whole discussion of the future of the club, not just his personal situation; saying "can I have a transfer?" "no", takes about 5 seconds, so the other 55.55 minutes must have been spent talking about other things, and it could be those that he is commenting on. What is certain is that, until a definitive statement comes up, we are just speculating, and what's also certain is that if we want Morgan to stay and to build a team around him, then throwing insults in his direction isn't going to help. To quote a reviewer of the movie Jackie Brown, "you don't know what's going on until you know what's going on". Let's wait until we find out. Great link to the FFP article, which supports what I've been saying on other threads. And most importantly, my thoughts to Costa Gaz - contrary to what Shankly said, football is just a game - that's real life, and I feel much more for you than I do for how many times a bunch of men can stick a bag of air into an oversized onion-bag. Tony in Liberia
  • Score: 15

1:53pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Johnny_Utah says...

I can completely undestand under the circumstances why he is hacked off. Hes slogged his guts out for a good number of years now and played a huge part in taking us from League 1 to the Premiership.

Now he sees us handing dream moves to players like Chambers who has barley broken into the 1st team.

For the club to turn around and say he cant have his big move must be like a kick in the teeth.

I believe we should have been open to selling the likes of Lambert, Lalanna and Schniderlin for the right price but have fought hard to keep the likes of shaw and chambers and built the team around them for the next couple of years.
I can completely undestand under the circumstances why he is hacked off. Hes slogged his guts out for a good number of years now and played a huge part in taking us from League 1 to the Premiership. Now he sees us handing dream moves to players like Chambers who has barley broken into the 1st team. For the club to turn around and say he cant have his big move must be like a kick in the teeth. I believe we should have been open to selling the likes of Lambert, Lalanna and Schniderlin for the right price but have fought hard to keep the likes of shaw and chambers and built the team around them for the next couple of years. Johnny_Utah
  • Score: 15

1:54pm Wed 30 Jul 14

jls217 says...

damoose wrote:
repost :I think the answers to what+ is going on are in this article


http://www.footyplac


e.com/features/ffp-t


o-blame-for-southamp


ton-exodus-073029811


0?
If you haven't read this article please do so it explains so much and is extremely positive to what Saints are trying to acheive.
[quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: repost :I think the answers to what+ is going on are in this article http://www.footyplac e.com/features/ffp-t o-blame-for-southamp ton-exodus-073029811 0?[/p][/quote]If you haven't read this article please do so it explains so much and is extremely positive to what Saints are trying to acheive. jls217
  • Score: 10

1:58pm Wed 30 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Seems he's solved the problem himself he's done an Osvaldo. Don't know who the other two are. Corky and Fonte?
Seems he's solved the problem himself he's done an Osvaldo. Don't know who the other two are. Corky and Fonte? jls217
  • Score: 3

1:59pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
Morgan's twitter was 11 words long, so it can hardly be a full and accurate statement of intent; it is open to several different interpretations, not all of them mean he wants to leave.

For instance - I don't know how twitter works, but when he says #saints destroyed in one hour, couldn't that mean that he has now realised that the Saints project he and the other players were sold by Cortese is over (not surprising as it wasn't possible in the first place), and he is lamenting what could of been at Saints? The fact that he says 'destroyed in an hour' certainly suggests that he was referring to the whole discussion of the future of the club, not just his personal situation; saying "can I have a transfer?" "no", takes about 5 seconds, so the other 55.55 minutes must have been spent talking about other things, and it could be those that he is commenting on.

What is certain is that, until a definitive statement comes up, we are just speculating, and what's also certain is that if we want Morgan to stay and to build a team around him, then throwing insults in his direction isn't going to help.

To quote a reviewer of the movie Jackie Brown, "you don't know what's going on until you know what's going on". Let's wait until we find out.

Great link to the FFP article, which supports what I've been saying on other threads.

And most importantly, my thoughts to Costa Gaz - contrary to what Shankly said, football is just a game - that's real life, and I feel much more for you than I do for how many times a bunch of men can stick a bag of air into an oversized onion-bag.
I think you mean Costa Baz. I wish him and wife all the best.
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Morgan's twitter was 11 words long, so it can hardly be a full and accurate statement of intent; it is open to several different interpretations, not all of them mean he wants to leave. For instance - I don't know how twitter works, but when he says #saints destroyed in one hour, couldn't that mean that he has now realised that the Saints project he and the other players were sold by Cortese is over (not surprising as it wasn't possible in the first place), and he is lamenting what could of been at Saints? The fact that he says 'destroyed in an hour' certainly suggests that he was referring to the whole discussion of the future of the club, not just his personal situation; saying "can I have a transfer?" "no", takes about 5 seconds, so the other 55.55 minutes must have been spent talking about other things, and it could be those that he is commenting on. What is certain is that, until a definitive statement comes up, we are just speculating, and what's also certain is that if we want Morgan to stay and to build a team around him, then throwing insults in his direction isn't going to help. To quote a reviewer of the movie Jackie Brown, "you don't know what's going on until you know what's going on". Let's wait until we find out. Great link to the FFP article, which supports what I've been saying on other threads. And most importantly, my thoughts to Costa Gaz - contrary to what Shankly said, football is just a game - that's real life, and I feel much more for you than I do for how many times a bunch of men can stick a bag of air into an oversized onion-bag.[/p][/quote]I think you mean Costa Baz. I wish him and wife all the best. Rising_Son
  • Score: 8

2:00pm Wed 30 Jul 14

SaintMax says...

Funny how twitter often lets slip a players true feelings. Shame they are often too immature to realise how negative it can be to all concerned to use it to broadcast what they want. They have signed a long term contract, we do not want to sell them as it is not in the best interests of the club so they should honour the contract they and their agent committed to.
And if they don't want to, we can slap a huge price tag on them to make it worthwhile.
THAT' is what has hacked him off about .. The Spurts won't want to spend £27m so he shouldn't go anywhere.
Funny how twitter often lets slip a players true feelings. Shame they are often too immature to realise how negative it can be to all concerned to use it to broadcast what they want. They have signed a long term contract, we do not want to sell them as it is not in the best interests of the club so they should honour the contract they and their agent committed to. And if they don't want to, we can slap a huge price tag on them to make it worthwhile. THAT' is what has hacked him off about .. The Spurts won't want to spend £27m so he shouldn't go anywhere. SaintMax
  • Score: 10

2:00pm Wed 30 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Johnny_Utah wrote:
I can completely undestand under the circumstances why he is hacked off. Hes slogged his guts out for a good number of years now and played a huge part in taking us from League 1 to the Premiership.

Now he sees us handing dream moves to players like Chambers who has barley broken into the 1st team.

For the club to turn around and say he cant have his big move must be like a kick in the teeth.

I believe we should have been open to selling the likes of Lambert, Lalanna and Schniderlin for the right price but have fought hard to keep the likes of shaw and chambers and built the team around them for the next couple of years.
is that the overweight unfit Shaw that we sold for over £25M and who was totally sh1t for England ?
[quote][p][bold]Johnny_Utah[/bold] wrote: I can completely undestand under the circumstances why he is hacked off. Hes slogged his guts out for a good number of years now and played a huge part in taking us from League 1 to the Premiership. Now he sees us handing dream moves to players like Chambers who has barley broken into the 1st team. For the club to turn around and say he cant have his big move must be like a kick in the teeth. I believe we should have been open to selling the likes of Lambert, Lalanna and Schniderlin for the right price but have fought hard to keep the likes of shaw and chambers and built the team around them for the next couple of years.[/p][/quote]is that the overweight unfit Shaw that we sold for over £25M and who was totally sh1t for England ? steekeemcglue
  • Score: 10

2:10pm Wed 30 Jul 14

SaintMax says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
Johnny_Utah wrote:
I can completely undestand under the circumstances why he is hacked off. Hes slogged his guts out for a good number of years now and played a huge part in taking us from League 1 to the Premiership.

Now he sees us handing dream moves to players like Chambers who has barley broken into the 1st team.

For the club to turn around and say he cant have his big move must be like a kick in the teeth.

I believe we should have been open to selling the likes of Lambert, Lalanna and Schniderlin for the right price but have fought hard to keep the likes of shaw and chambers and built the team around them for the next couple of years.
is that the overweight unfit Shaw that we sold for over £25M and who was totally sh1t for England ?
I think Shaw may have started to believe his own hype over the last couple of months (England call up + Man U £27m investment) and put his feet up. came down with a bang when Lous van Gaal made him train on his own.
£27m?? Man U are suckers to pay that - thank you very much.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Johnny_Utah[/bold] wrote: I can completely undestand under the circumstances why he is hacked off. Hes slogged his guts out for a good number of years now and played a huge part in taking us from League 1 to the Premiership. Now he sees us handing dream moves to players like Chambers who has barley broken into the 1st team. For the club to turn around and say he cant have his big move must be like a kick in the teeth. I believe we should have been open to selling the likes of Lambert, Lalanna and Schniderlin for the right price but have fought hard to keep the likes of shaw and chambers and built the team around them for the next couple of years.[/p][/quote]is that the overweight unfit Shaw that we sold for over £25M and who was totally sh1t for England ?[/p][/quote]I think Shaw may have started to believe his own hype over the last couple of months (England call up + Man U £27m investment) and put his feet up. came down with a bang when Lous van Gaal made him train on his own. £27m?? Man U are suckers to pay that - thank you very much. SaintMax
  • Score: 11

2:12pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
[quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

2:19pm Wed 30 Jul 14

saint christopher says...

damoose wrote:
repost :I think the answers to what+ is going on are in this article


http://www.footyplac


e.com/features/ffp-t


o-blame-for-southamp


ton-exodus-073029811


0?
Exactly what I said yesterday (although with somewhat better detail and reasoning!).

Saints Academy is our unique quality and selling point, and the fact we've just spent £30M on developing it further surely indicates that this is the Boards vision too (though like everything else at the moment it comes with a caveat - that this was instigated by Cortese and not the current board).
[quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: repost :I think the answers to what+ is going on are in this article http://www.footyplac e.com/features/ffp-t o-blame-for-southamp ton-exodus-073029811 0?[/p][/quote]Exactly what I said yesterday (although with somewhat better detail and reasoning!). Saints Academy is our unique quality and selling point, and the fact we've just spent £30M on developing it further surely indicates that this is the Boards vision too (though like everything else at the moment it comes with a caveat - that this was instigated by Cortese and not the current board). saint christopher
  • Score: 9

2:23pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

saint christopher wrote:
damoose wrote:
repost :I think the answers to what+ is going on are in this article


http://www.footyplac



e.com/features/ffp-t



o-blame-for-southamp



ton-exodus-073029811



0?
Exactly what I said yesterday (although with somewhat better detail and reasoning!).

Saints Academy is our unique quality and selling point, and the fact we've just spent £30M on developing it further surely indicates that this is the Boards vision too (though like everything else at the moment it comes with a caveat - that this was instigated by Cortese and not the current board).
I think you'll find the academy predates Cortese.
[quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: repost :I think the answers to what+ is going on are in this article http://www.footyplac e.com/features/ffp-t o-blame-for-southamp ton-exodus-073029811 0?[/p][/quote]Exactly what I said yesterday (although with somewhat better detail and reasoning!). Saints Academy is our unique quality and selling point, and the fact we've just spent £30M on developing it further surely indicates that this is the Boards vision too (though like everything else at the moment it comes with a caveat - that this was instigated by Cortese and not the current board).[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the academy predates Cortese. Rising_Son
  • Score: 15

2:28pm Wed 30 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat. warrens 76
  • Score: 1

2:29pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Jan28th1984 says...

I hope he stays, he's a good player. I can understand why he is ticked off and a bit de-motivated but if he sees some quality being signed on then he'll come round, I'm sure of it.
I hope he stays, he's a good player. I can understand why he is ticked off and a bit de-motivated but if he sees some quality being signed on then he'll come round, I'm sure of it. Jan28th1984
  • Score: 5

2:30pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Jan28th1984 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
Sounds like GOOD OLD media hype !!
Not everything WE read is TRUE !
How do I know what you've just said is true then, and how do I know that what ive just asked is true? Oh God my head hurts! Or does it, I just don't know!

:-D ;0)
Cup of tea for de Heiligen paard 101!
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: Sounds like GOOD OLD media hype !! Not everything WE read is TRUE ![/p][/quote]How do I know what you've just said is true then, and how do I know that what ive just asked is true? Oh God my head hurts! Or does it, I just don't know! :-D ;0)[/p][/quote]Cup of tea for de Heiligen paard 101! Jan28th1984
  • Score: 4

2:36pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
Liebherr may be a pan European brand, but KL is not part of the Liebherr Group (unfortunately).
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]Liebherr may be a pan European brand, but KL is not part of the Liebherr Group (unfortunately). Rising_Son
  • Score: 3

3:08pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

damoose wrote:
repost :I think the answers to what+ is going on are in this article


http://www.footyplac


e.com/features/ffp-t


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Please, please everyone paste this address into your browser and read the article.

It shows just exactly why we are barred from offering much higher wages. It explains that there are different rules for the bigger clubs.

This makes me believe that the Southampton Board are, in fact following a proper plan selling off their prize assets because they are BARRED from paying them very much more by the financial rules which leaves the Club in an impossible position.

They are doing exactly the right thing by cashing in and buying quality at a lower price level.

Yes, yes that is manifestly a tautology but it is a self evident truth

Thank you Damoose. Talk about a light going on.
[quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: repost :I think the answers to what+ is going on are in this article http://www.footyplac e.com/features/ffp-t o-blame-for-southamp ton-exodus-073029811 0?[/p][/quote]Please, please everyone paste this address into your browser and read the article. It shows just exactly why we are barred from offering much higher wages. It explains that there are different rules for the bigger clubs. This makes me believe that the Southampton Board are, in fact following a proper plan selling off their prize assets because they are BARRED from paying them very much more by the financial rules which leaves the Club in an impossible position. They are doing exactly the right thing by cashing in and buying quality at a lower price level. Yes, yes that is manifestly a tautology but it is a self evident truth Thank you Damoose. Talk about a light going on. Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 12

3:29pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Danzig says...

Scotty1980 wrote:
Hope he stays could poss make very good captain
After his outburst there's no way I can see him being captain. Before, yes, an obvious choice. He doesn't deserve captaining the side now.
[quote][p][bold]Scotty1980[/bold] wrote: Hope he stays could poss make very good captain[/p][/quote]After his outburst there's no way I can see him being captain. Before, yes, an obvious choice. He doesn't deserve captaining the side now. Danzig
  • Score: 6

3:30pm Wed 30 Jul 14

just kidding says...

I am really happy that at last the club has drawn a line in the sand with these players. But they need to hold firm and see it through. In order to regain the total respect of the fans and the football community they must
hold the player to his contract and see how it pans out.
They have a ton of money now so dont need to sell any more.
I cannot see how any talented young proffesional would elect to be relegated to the reserves , and watch his career go down the toilet into obscurity. My only regret is that it's Morgan who has become the sacrificial lamb.
He has in my opinion been a model student so to speak, talented and dedicated to the cause, would much rather the club had started with that joyless t$rd Lovren. Still this is definitely a move in the right direction, risky for all involved but needed to be done. I wish it had happened sooner but if it holds, perhaps eventually it will all make sense.
I am really happy that at last the club has drawn a line in the sand with these players. But they need to hold firm and see it through. In order to regain the total respect of the fans and the football community they must hold the player to his contract and see how it pans out. They have a ton of money now so dont need to sell any more. I cannot see how any talented young proffesional would elect to be relegated to the reserves , and watch his career go down the toilet into obscurity. My only regret is that it's Morgan who has become the sacrificial lamb. He has in my opinion been a model student so to speak, talented and dedicated to the cause, would much rather the club had started with that joyless t$rd Lovren. Still this is definitely a move in the right direction, risky for all involved but needed to be done. I wish it had happened sooner but if it holds, perhaps eventually it will all make sense. just kidding
  • Score: 4

3:33pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Danzig says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
Morgan's twitter was 11 words long, so it can hardly be a full and accurate statement of intent; it is open to several different interpretations, not all of them mean he wants to leave.

For instance - I don't know how twitter works, but when he says #saints destroyed in one hour, couldn't that mean that he has now realised that the Saints project he and the other players were sold by Cortese is over (not surprising as it wasn't possible in the first place), and he is lamenting what could of been at Saints? The fact that he says 'destroyed in an hour' certainly suggests that he was referring to the whole discussion of the future of the club, not just his personal situation; saying "can I have a transfer?" "no", takes about 5 seconds, so the other 55.55 minutes must have been spent talking about other things, and it could be those that he is commenting on.

What is certain is that, until a definitive statement comes up, we are just speculating, and what's also certain is that if we want Morgan to stay and to build a team around him, then throwing insults in his direction isn't going to help.

To quote a reviewer of the movie Jackie Brown, "you don't know what's going on until you know what's going on". Let's wait until we find out.

Great link to the FFP article, which supports what I've been saying on other threads.

And most importantly, my thoughts to Costa Gaz - contrary to what Shankly said, football is just a game - that's real life, and I feel much more for you than I do for how many times a bunch of men can stick a bag of air into an oversized onion-bag.
It would leave 59:55, unless there was a 4 minute tea break...
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Morgan's twitter was 11 words long, so it can hardly be a full and accurate statement of intent; it is open to several different interpretations, not all of them mean he wants to leave. For instance - I don't know how twitter works, but when he says #saints destroyed in one hour, couldn't that mean that he has now realised that the Saints project he and the other players were sold by Cortese is over (not surprising as it wasn't possible in the first place), and he is lamenting what could of been at Saints? The fact that he says 'destroyed in an hour' certainly suggests that he was referring to the whole discussion of the future of the club, not just his personal situation; saying "can I have a transfer?" "no", takes about 5 seconds, so the other 55.55 minutes must have been spent talking about other things, and it could be those that he is commenting on. What is certain is that, until a definitive statement comes up, we are just speculating, and what's also certain is that if we want Morgan to stay and to build a team around him, then throwing insults in his direction isn't going to help. To quote a reviewer of the movie Jackie Brown, "you don't know what's going on until you know what's going on". Let's wait until we find out. Great link to the FFP article, which supports what I've been saying on other threads. And most importantly, my thoughts to Costa Gaz - contrary to what Shankly said, football is just a game - that's real life, and I feel much more for you than I do for how many times a bunch of men can stick a bag of air into an oversized onion-bag.[/p][/quote]It would leave 59:55, unless there was a 4 minute tea break... Danzig
  • Score: 1

3:34pm Wed 30 Jul 14

saints_alive says...

SaintBen wrote:
damoose wrote:
repost :I think the answers to what+ is going on are in this article


http://www.footyplac



e.com/features/ffp-t



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ton-exodus-073029811



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A great read!! Gives another slant on the whole FFP situation and if the club did take this route, then they'd really be in a good place to get the brand truely global! ;-)
Very uplifting article!! I recommend that all beleaguered Saints fans take a break from the Spiderman shenanigans and have a squizz.
[quote][p][bold]SaintBen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: repost :I think the answers to what+ is going on are in this article http://www.footyplac e.com/features/ffp-t o-blame-for-southamp ton-exodus-073029811 0?[/p][/quote]A great read!! Gives another slant on the whole FFP situation and if the club did take this route, then they'd really be in a good place to get the brand truely global! ;-)[/p][/quote]Very uplifting article!! I recommend that all beleaguered Saints fans take a break from the Spiderman shenanigans and have a squizz. saints_alive
  • Score: 6

3:47pm Wed 30 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

My major concern is the fact that we require replacements for those who left, plus an additional keeper, centre back and forward. And we are yet to see if Morgan and Jay stick around. WE MUST CLOSE DEALS! And this talk about reinvesting what revenue we got from player sales is NOT enough. If this is the case we COULD be setting a president stating we have to sell if we want spend ambitiously.

GONE ARE THE DAYS OF US NOT SELLING PLAYERS BUT SPENDING £35 MILLION IN THE SUMMER!

IMO I believe that KL wanted to sell some players and in May she softened the blow by informing us of the club's overspending and NC's massive salary. I said as much back then, but I was shouted down by the usual suspects who yet again were proved wrong.

There are a lot of bargains to be had in the European transfer market, demonstrated when we got Lovren for under £10 mill. But will they come to us?
My major concern is the fact that we require replacements for those who left, plus an additional keeper, centre back and forward. And we are yet to see if Morgan and Jay stick around. WE MUST CLOSE DEALS! And this talk about reinvesting what revenue we got from player sales is NOT enough. If this is the case we COULD be setting a president stating we have to sell if we want spend ambitiously. GONE ARE THE DAYS OF US NOT SELLING PLAYERS BUT SPENDING £35 MILLION IN THE SUMMER! IMO I believe that KL wanted to sell some players and in May she softened the blow by informing us of the club's overspending and NC's massive salary. I said as much back then, but I was shouted down by the usual suspects who yet again were proved wrong. There are a lot of bargains to be had in the European transfer market, demonstrated when we got Lovren for under £10 mill. But will they come to us? redandy10
  • Score: -2

3:56pm Wed 30 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
Liebherr may be a pan European brand, but KL is not part of the Liebherr Group (unfortunately).
I know but family's do deals capiche…particular
ly Swiss families!
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]Liebherr may be a pan European brand, but KL is not part of the Liebherr Group (unfortunately).[/p][/quote]I know but family's do deals capiche…particular ly Swiss families! warrens 76
  • Score: 0

4:11pm Wed 30 Jul 14

deepheat says...

Morgan SillyDin will eventually go to Spuds for £25m.
Levy will sack Poxytino who will end up managing Barcelona B in the Spanish Second Division. Morgan SillyDin will follow him thinking it is Barça.
Morgan SillyDin will eventually go to Spuds for £25m. Levy will sack Poxytino who will end up managing Barcelona B in the Spanish Second Division. Morgan SillyDin will follow him thinking it is Barça. deepheat
  • Score: 5

4:14pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

I Don't 'understand why this should be a story.

Everyone knows he wants to leave; so why does he even need to put in a transfer request.
I Don't 'understand why this should be a story. Everyone knows he wants to leave; so why does he even need to put in a transfer request. Saints n Winners
  • Score: -1

4:20pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Jon The Legend says...

http://www.footyplac
e.com/features/ffp-t
o-blame-for-southamp
ton-exodus-073029811
0

Another one to post the link, it makes sense...
http://www.footyplac e.com/features/ffp-t o-blame-for-southamp ton-exodus-073029811 0 Another one to post the link, it makes sense... Jon The Legend
  • Score: 2

4:21pm Wed 30 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Does "Elite Club" usually mean most indebted?
[quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Does "Elite Club" usually mean most indebted? justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 3

4:21pm Wed 30 Jul 14

bbb001 says...

just kidding wrote:
I am really happy that at last the club has drawn a line in the sand with these players. But they need to hold firm and see it through. In order to regain the total respect of the fans and the football community they must
hold the player to his contract and see how it pans out.
They have a ton of money now so dont need to sell any more.
I cannot see how any talented young proffesional would elect to be relegated to the reserves , and watch his career go down the toilet into obscurity. My only regret is that it's Morgan who has become the sacrificial lamb.
He has in my opinion been a model student so to speak, talented and dedicated to the cause, would much rather the club had started with that joyless t$rd Lovren. Still this is definitely a move in the right direction, risky for all involved but needed to be done. I wish it had happened sooner but if it holds, perhaps eventually it will all make sense.
Totally agree, its a shame that a good honest pro like spider has let his emotions get the better of him, but havn't we all done or said things in the heat of the moment which we regretted almost immedeately.

A heartfelt apology to the fans and the board would go a long way to repair the damage done by twitter.
[quote][p][bold]just kidding[/bold] wrote: I am really happy that at last the club has drawn a line in the sand with these players. But they need to hold firm and see it through. In order to regain the total respect of the fans and the football community they must hold the player to his contract and see how it pans out. They have a ton of money now so dont need to sell any more. I cannot see how any talented young proffesional would elect to be relegated to the reserves , and watch his career go down the toilet into obscurity. My only regret is that it's Morgan who has become the sacrificial lamb. He has in my opinion been a model student so to speak, talented and dedicated to the cause, would much rather the club had started with that joyless t$rd Lovren. Still this is definitely a move in the right direction, risky for all involved but needed to be done. I wish it had happened sooner but if it holds, perhaps eventually it will all make sense.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, its a shame that a good honest pro like spider has let his emotions get the better of him, but havn't we all done or said things in the heat of the moment which we regretted almost immedeately. A heartfelt apology to the fans and the board would go a long way to repair the damage done by twitter. bbb001
  • Score: 3

4:32pm Wed 30 Jul 14

notaclue says...

bbb001 wrote:
just kidding wrote:
I am really happy that at last the club has drawn a line in the sand with these players. But they need to hold firm and see it through. In order to regain the total respect of the fans and the football community they must
hold the player to his contract and see how it pans out.
They have a ton of money now so dont need to sell any more.
I cannot see how any talented young proffesional would elect to be relegated to the reserves , and watch his career go down the toilet into obscurity. My only regret is that it's Morgan who has become the sacrificial lamb.
He has in my opinion been a model student so to speak, talented and dedicated to the cause, would much rather the club had started with that joyless t$rd Lovren. Still this is definitely a move in the right direction, risky for all involved but needed to be done. I wish it had happened sooner but if it holds, perhaps eventually it will all make sense.
Totally agree, its a shame that a good honest pro like spider has let his emotions get the better of him, but havn't we all done or said things in the heat of the moment which we regretted almost immedeately.

A heartfelt apology to the fans and the board would go a long way to repair the damage done by twitter.
You don't get it do you?

Morgan still wants to leave and the only way open to him now is to do a big Lovren on us if he is to get his way.

Question is, will he or won't he? 50/50

We can probably force him into another 6 or 12mths to ease our pain and his.
[quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]just kidding[/bold] wrote: I am really happy that at last the club has drawn a line in the sand with these players. But they need to hold firm and see it through. In order to regain the total respect of the fans and the football community they must hold the player to his contract and see how it pans out. They have a ton of money now so dont need to sell any more. I cannot see how any talented young proffesional would elect to be relegated to the reserves , and watch his career go down the toilet into obscurity. My only regret is that it's Morgan who has become the sacrificial lamb. He has in my opinion been a model student so to speak, talented and dedicated to the cause, would much rather the club had started with that joyless t$rd Lovren. Still this is definitely a move in the right direction, risky for all involved but needed to be done. I wish it had happened sooner but if it holds, perhaps eventually it will all make sense.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, its a shame that a good honest pro like spider has let his emotions get the better of him, but havn't we all done or said things in the heat of the moment which we regretted almost immedeately. A heartfelt apology to the fans and the board would go a long way to repair the damage done by twitter.[/p][/quote]You don't get it do you? Morgan still wants to leave and the only way open to him now is to do a big Lovren on us if he is to get his way. Question is, will he or won't he? 50/50 We can probably force him into another 6 or 12mths to ease our pain and his. notaclue
  • Score: 0

4:34pm Wed 30 Jul 14

batesieboy says...

Rising_Son wrote:
saint christopher wrote:
damoose wrote:
repost :I think the answers to what+ is going on are in this article


http://www.footyplac




e.com/features/ffp-t




o-blame-for-southamp




ton-exodus-073029811




0?
Exactly what I said yesterday (although with somewhat better detail and reasoning!).

Saints Academy is our unique quality and selling point, and the fact we've just spent £30M on developing it further surely indicates that this is the Boards vision too (though like everything else at the moment it comes with a caveat - that this was instigated by Cortese and not the current board).
I think you'll find the academy predates Cortese.
I think you'll find he means the rebuild which was meant to cost 15, but rose to 30 million. Pity it wasn't ready in time for 19 year old Shaw to get fit, so that he could bridge the massive gap in expectations...(real
ly?)
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: repost :I think the answers to what+ is going on are in this article http://www.footyplac e.com/features/ffp-t o-blame-for-southamp ton-exodus-073029811 0?[/p][/quote]Exactly what I said yesterday (although with somewhat better detail and reasoning!). Saints Academy is our unique quality and selling point, and the fact we've just spent £30M on developing it further surely indicates that this is the Boards vision too (though like everything else at the moment it comes with a caveat - that this was instigated by Cortese and not the current board).[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the academy predates Cortese.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find he means the rebuild which was meant to cost 15, but rose to 30 million. Pity it wasn't ready in time for 19 year old Shaw to get fit, so that he could bridge the massive gap in expectations...(real ly?) batesieboy
  • Score: 3

4:43pm Wed 30 Jul 14

nomorerumours says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
How can he play now after his outburst sell the French pri@k.
I posted the message below on an Echo article earlier today. I feel the need to repeat it here. There are a number of crude and highly offensive posts on here and “u bunch of mugs” is one of the worst examples. In the last couple of weeks you have insulted almost all the board, a number of our players and quite a few Saints fans using filthy language. Some of your comments have verged on slander. I told you that I would report this type of post to the Echo and this is your last warning. So, try and express yourself in a rational way using appropriate language. I half expect you to come back with further insults but if you want to be banned from this site you’re going the right way about it.

“Hey guys, I think we all need to be very careful what we say about this one however much we might wish to vent our feelings. It is a highly inflamed and delicate situation. A stand-off between the club and the player in public is highly undesirable. Let Morgan and the board try to resolve this situation in private – it is the only way both sides can save face. I think the transfer would only go ahead if we got the £27m from Spurs or Arsenal and I very much doubt that either club would go up to even £20m (although you never know in today’s crazy football world!). So, it would seem that the only “realistic” solution (there are others but they do not bare thinking about) would be for Morgan to climb down and accept that he will be staying with us, at least until January and possibly a lot longer. RonK (I’ll stop saying RK as we have two high profile RKs in the news these days!) has a strong reputation for getting the best out of players and he’ll need all his skills to bring Morgan around. I accept that this may not be possible but there is a chance that there can be a relatively amicable way forward. We can all help by keeping quiet on this one and let it run its course. Viscous comments about Morgan’s behaviour will only lead to yet more undesirable media coverage (it will continue anyway for a while). Given everything that has happened, Morgan’s outburst is perhaps understandable even though it was totally out of order and offended most of us. So, for now, let’s forgive him and make it easier for him to be integrated back into our “new” team. We can all pass judgement if or when it all goes wrong.”
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: How can he play now after his outburst sell the French pri@k.[/p][/quote]I posted the message below on an Echo article earlier today. I feel the need to repeat it here. There are a number of crude and highly offensive posts on here and “u bunch of mugs” is one of the worst examples. In the last couple of weeks you have insulted almost all the board, a number of our players and quite a few Saints fans using filthy language. Some of your comments have verged on slander. I told you that I would report this type of post to the Echo and this is your last warning. So, try and express yourself in a rational way using appropriate language. I half expect you to come back with further insults but if you want to be banned from this site you’re going the right way about it. “Hey guys, I think we all need to be very careful what we say about this one however much we might wish to vent our feelings. It is a highly inflamed and delicate situation. A stand-off between the club and the player in public is highly undesirable. Let Morgan and the board try to resolve this situation in private – it is the only way both sides can save face. I think the transfer would only go ahead if we got the £27m from Spurs or Arsenal and I very much doubt that either club would go up to even £20m (although you never know in today’s crazy football world!). So, it would seem that the only “realistic” solution (there are others but they do not bare thinking about) would be for Morgan to climb down and accept that he will be staying with us, at least until January and possibly a lot longer. RonK (I’ll stop saying RK as we have two high profile RKs in the news these days!) has a strong reputation for getting the best out of players and he’ll need all his skills to bring Morgan around. I accept that this may not be possible but there is a chance that there can be a relatively amicable way forward. We can all help by keeping quiet on this one and let it run its course. Viscous comments about Morgan’s behaviour will only lead to yet more undesirable media coverage (it will continue anyway for a while). Given everything that has happened, Morgan’s outburst is perhaps understandable even though it was totally out of order and offended most of us. So, for now, let’s forgive him and make it easier for him to be integrated back into our “new” team. We can all pass judgement if or when it all goes wrong.” nomorerumours
  • Score: 18

4:48pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Scored raw says...

IanRC5 wrote:
Excellent news if true. He has been a model professional to date and whilst the twitter incident was unfortunate I would expect him to knuckle down and do his job.
But what if he really does want to join the want away. There is NO stopping him. CONTRACTS are meaning less scraps of paper to some players, ain't that right Loren.
[quote][p][bold]IanRC5[/bold] wrote: Excellent news if true. He has been a model professional to date and whilst the twitter incident was unfortunate I would expect him to knuckle down and do his job.[/p][/quote]But what if he really does want to join the want away. There is NO stopping him. CONTRACTS are meaning less scraps of paper to some players, ain't that right Loren. Scored raw
  • Score: 0

4:59pm Wed 30 Jul 14

thinklikealocal says...

Please don't leave Morgan. Look, how about I cheer you up with a night out to the open air theatre in Guildhall Square to see the play 'The Saints'. It has two live x Saints appearing in cameo roles. The rehearsals sounded good today.

I'm not sure if it's a comedy or a Greek tragedy, however, either one would seem appropriate at the moment... Come on, you know you want to.....
Please don't leave Morgan. Look, how about I cheer you up with a night out to the open air theatre in Guildhall Square to see the play 'The Saints'. It has two live x Saints appearing in cameo roles. The rehearsals sounded good today. I'm not sure if it's a comedy or a Greek tragedy, however, either one would seem appropriate at the moment... Come on, you know you want to..... thinklikealocal
  • Score: 2

5:04pm Wed 30 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Poglong Perry wrote:
So what the fu*k is this about then!!!!

https://m.facebook.c

om/story.php?story_f

bid=1015252578188376

2&id=10911153761
How would we know - take it up with Sky they seem to be the authors of it. Or you could just dismiss it as damaging gossip like most of us have.
[quote][p][bold]Poglong Perry[/bold] wrote: So what the fu*k is this about then!!!! https://m.facebook.c om/story.php?story_f bid=1015252578188376 2&id=10911153761[/p][/quote]How would we know - take it up with Sky they seem to be the authors of it. Or you could just dismiss it as damaging gossip like most of us have. jls217
  • Score: 2

5:06pm Wed 30 Jul 14

InsideOutCat says...

Scored raw wrote:
IanRC5 wrote:
Excellent news if true. He has been a model professional to date and whilst the twitter incident was unfortunate I would expect him to knuckle down and do his job.
But what if he really does want to join the want away. There is NO stopping him. CONTRACTS are meaning less scraps of paper to some players, ain't that right Loren.
We know a lot more now than we did this time yesterday.

We'll know a lot more tomorrow than we do right now.

Why not draw some well-considered conclusions from what you know, rather than continue to run in excited little circles over the things you don't?

There are too many people on here who will continue to come out with increasingly unsupported statements and rumours rather than take the time to sit back, look at what has changed, and do what grown-ups do, which is to admit that they previously didn't have all the available facts but that they now do and, as a result, their point of view has modified.
[quote][p][bold]Scored raw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanRC5[/bold] wrote: Excellent news if true. He has been a model professional to date and whilst the twitter incident was unfortunate I would expect him to knuckle down and do his job.[/p][/quote]But what if he really does want to join the want away. There is NO stopping him. CONTRACTS are meaning less scraps of paper to some players, ain't that right Loren.[/p][/quote]We know a lot more now than we did this time yesterday. We'll know a lot more tomorrow than we do right now. Why not draw some well-considered conclusions from what you know, rather than continue to run in excited little circles over the things you don't? There are too many people on here who will continue to come out with increasingly unsupported statements and rumours rather than take the time to sit back, look at what has changed, and do what grown-ups do, which is to admit that they previously didn't have all the available facts but that they now do and, as a result, their point of view has modified. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 4

5:06pm Wed 30 Jul 14

jls217 says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Why are some people still saying he will stay? I'm 110% certain he WILL be a Tottenham player before you can say 'loyalty'
Could you please explain how one gets to be 110%sure. I would like to strive for 120% sure but just can't seem to get motivated enough to hit it. Thanks
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Why are some people still saying he will stay? I'm 110% certain he WILL be a Tottenham player before you can say 'loyalty'[/p][/quote]Could you please explain how one gets to be 110%sure. I would like to strive for 120% sure but just can't seem to get motivated enough to hit it. Thanks jls217
  • Score: 8

5:12pm Wed 30 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

Just want the season to start now, all these players acting like spoilt children is getting boring.
Just want the season to start now, all these players acting like spoilt children is getting boring. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 5

5:13pm Wed 30 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

deepheat wrote:
Morgan SillyDin will eventually go to Spuds for £25m.
Levy will sack Poxytino who will end up managing Barcelona B in the Spanish Second Division. Morgan SillyDin will follow him thinking it is Barça.
yes , yes and NO. They HATE him in barca and he will never get another job in Barcelona....
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: Morgan SillyDin will eventually go to Spuds for £25m. Levy will sack Poxytino who will end up managing Barcelona B in the Spanish Second Division. Morgan SillyDin will follow him thinking it is Barça.[/p][/quote]yes , yes and NO. They HATE him in barca and he will never get another job in Barcelona.... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 2

5:13pm Wed 30 Jul 14

InsideOutCat says...

jls217 wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Why are some people still saying he will stay? I'm 110% certain he WILL be a Tottenham player before you can say 'loyalty'
Could you please explain how one gets to be 110%sure. I would like to strive for 120% sure but just can't seem to get motivated enough to hit it. Thanks
Is that 100% + VAT ?
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Why are some people still saying he will stay? I'm 110% certain he WILL be a Tottenham player before you can say 'loyalty'[/p][/quote]Could you please explain how one gets to be 110%sure. I would like to strive for 120% sure but just can't seem to get motivated enough to hit it. Thanks[/p][/quote]Is that 100% + VAT ? InsideOutCat
  • Score: 7

5:15pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

jls217 wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Why are some people still saying he will stay? I'm 110% certain he WILL be a Tottenham player before you can say 'loyalty'
Could you please explain how one gets to be 110%sure. I would like to strive for 120% sure but just can't seem to get motivated enough to hit it. Thanks
I think someone's been watching too much X factor. The only thing I am 100% sure on is none of us are 100% sure about anything regarding Saints at the moment. I wouldn't be 100% surprised to see Osvaldo come back to solve our CB problem.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Why are some people still saying he will stay? I'm 110% certain he WILL be a Tottenham player before you can say 'loyalty'[/p][/quote]Could you please explain how one gets to be 110%sure. I would like to strive for 120% sure but just can't seem to get motivated enough to hit it. Thanks[/p][/quote]I think someone's been watching too much X factor. The only thing I am 100% sure on is none of us are 100% sure about anything regarding Saints at the moment. I wouldn't be 100% surprised to see Osvaldo come back to solve our CB problem. Mosschops
  • Score: 6

5:26pm Wed 30 Jul 14

bathsaints says...

This is becoming a joke now. How comes Everton are able to be signing players like Lukaku and stars such as Barkley are asking to stay whereas all our so called stars want out. Morgan should put a sock in it. He is where he is today becuase of the opportunities we have given him. He should get his head down and work hard and if he performs well then revisit the situation next summer. Another good season and he'll still only be 25 and may get a bigger move as lets be fair spurs are hardly a large champions league club. The club needs to stand firm on this and Morgan needs to grow up. Yes it must be frustrating to see team mates leave but on the plus side we are growing something new with a new manager who wants Morgan at the core of the team. He wouldn't get that at Spurs or Arse-nal! Some good signings would be a good starter...
This is becoming a joke now. How comes Everton are able to be signing players like Lukaku and stars such as Barkley are asking to stay whereas all our so called stars want out. Morgan should put a sock in it. He is where he is today becuase of the opportunities we have given him. He should get his head down and work hard and if he performs well then revisit the situation next summer. Another good season and he'll still only be 25 and may get a bigger move as lets be fair spurs are hardly a large champions league club. The club needs to stand firm on this and Morgan needs to grow up. Yes it must be frustrating to see team mates leave but on the plus side we are growing something new with a new manager who wants Morgan at the core of the team. He wouldn't get that at Spurs or Arse-nal! Some good signings would be a good starter... bathsaints
  • Score: 4

5:41pm Wed 30 Jul 14

redsnapper says...

There are only 66 players who can play regular first team football in the clubs that are splashing the cash and with all due respect to some of our players who have gone, and some who may want to go I would say with exception of Luke and Loverat , as they have gone to cr*p teams no other current Saint would be a regular in the top 6.

COYR. Not FUBAR (yet:-)
There are only 66 players who can play regular first team football in the clubs that are splashing the cash and with all due respect to some of our players who have gone, and some who may want to go I would say with exception of Luke and Loverat , as they have gone to cr*p teams no other current Saint would be a regular in the top 6. COYR. Not FUBAR (yet:-) redsnapper
  • Score: 5

5:50pm Wed 30 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

WHERE is the news of our new signings ?

SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit.

Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go.

SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.
WHERE is the news of our new signings ? SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit. Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go. SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -3

5:54pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Buddy SFC says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
WHERE is the news of our new signings ?

SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit.

Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go.

SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.
Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still !
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: WHERE is the news of our new signings ? SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit. Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go. SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.[/p][/quote]Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still ! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 1

5:57pm Wed 30 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
WHERE is the news of our new signings ?

SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit.

Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go.

SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.
Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still !
Yes - what are they going to do - announce all three on Friday or just more words to try and placate the dissenters and try and boost flagging Season ticket sales which have taken a nose- dive.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: WHERE is the news of our new signings ? SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit. Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go. SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.[/p][/quote]Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still ![/p][/quote]Yes - what are they going to do - announce all three on Friday or just more words to try and placate the dissenters and try and boost flagging Season ticket sales which have taken a nose- dive. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -4

5:58pm Wed 30 Jul 14

saintand266 says...

I've had enough of the doom and gloom now . I have supported sfc since I first went to the dell as a boy in 1977 when I was six.

I will continue supporting till the day I die no matter what !
So if Morgan goes good riddance if he stays then as long as he gives his all in a saints shirt then I will applaud him .


I could be a lot worse off as a football fan , I could have been born a skunt!!
I've had enough of the doom and gloom now . I have supported sfc since I first went to the dell as a boy in 1977 when I was six. I will continue supporting till the day I die no matter what ! So if Morgan goes good riddance if he stays then as long as he gives his all in a saints shirt then I will applaud him . I could be a lot worse off as a football fan , I could have been born a skunt!! saintand266
  • Score: 9

6:00pm Wed 30 Jul 14

befriendly says...

My two bobs worth is that as a player has an agent he should pay that agent. Agents agitate players to move so they can make thousands, if not millions from the transfer. They talk to clubs with no one knowing and unsettle players with false hopes. Clubs use agents as trojan horses to get the players they want. The sooner agents are paid only by the players the better.
My two bobs worth is that as a player has an agent he should pay that agent. Agents agitate players to move so they can make thousands, if not millions from the transfer. They talk to clubs with no one knowing and unsettle players with false hopes. Clubs use agents as trojan horses to get the players they want. The sooner agents are paid only by the players the better. befriendly
  • Score: 6

6:04pm Wed 30 Jul 14

garyom71 says...

He will be sold once the pemium premium valuation has been met.
He will be sold once the pemium premium valuation has been met. garyom71
  • Score: 1

6:08pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
WHERE is the news of our new signings ?

SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit.

Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go.

SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.
Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still !
Mmm, the idea that we say we're going to sign new players and then, click of the fingers , here they all are is a strange one! This will take time.....
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: WHERE is the news of our new signings ? SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit. Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go. SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.[/p][/quote]Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still ![/p][/quote]Mmm, the idea that we say we're going to sign new players and then, click of the fingers , here they all are is a strange one! This will take time..... Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 6

6:09pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

He is the main Man with Victor now get lost Cuff Boys look at the Wall and dream on!
He is the main Man with Victor now get lost Cuff Boys look at the Wall and dream on! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 2

6:09pm Wed 30 Jul 14

jls217 says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
WHERE is the news of our new signings ?

SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit.

Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go.

SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.
Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still !
Yes - what are they going to do - announce all three on Friday or just more words to try and placate the dissenters and try and boost flagging Season ticket sales which have taken a nose- dive.
Difficult to say really........... who knows exactly.......... maybe tomorrow eh!
Sky reported - oh let's all jump and make it happen if Sky reported it.
They'll get round to it I expect at some point, sooner or later. No rush. Tomorrow looks after itself. Live for today.
Other people are paid to concern themselves over that sort of thing, I dunno...... just pour a cider and sit in the garden or something. Season tickets eh! Oh we'll get aroundtuit all in good time. Sales taken a nose dive? See........ now that's what happens when you rush. Hope he wasn't seriously hurt - is he a local lad? Don't worry we'll be at the top of our game soon - plenty of time, in the meantime chill. A nice cup of tea seems to help in times like these I find. I'll put the kettle on soon maybe after I've watered the tomatoes or something.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: WHERE is the news of our new signings ? SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit. Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go. SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.[/p][/quote]Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still ![/p][/quote]Yes - what are they going to do - announce all three on Friday or just more words to try and placate the dissenters and try and boost flagging Season ticket sales which have taken a nose- dive.[/p][/quote]Difficult to say really........... who knows exactly.......... maybe tomorrow eh! Sky reported - oh let's all jump and make it happen if Sky reported it. They'll get round to it I expect at some point, sooner or later. No rush. Tomorrow looks after itself. Live for today. Other people are paid to concern themselves over that sort of thing, I dunno...... just pour a cider and sit in the garden or something. Season tickets eh! Oh we'll get aroundtuit all in good time. Sales taken a nose dive? See........ now that's what happens when you rush. Hope he wasn't seriously hurt - is he a local lad? Don't worry we'll be at the top of our game soon - plenty of time, in the meantime chill. A nice cup of tea seems to help in times like these I find. I'll put the kettle on soon maybe after I've watered the tomatoes or something. jls217
  • Score: 3

6:13pm Wed 30 Jul 14

sparky130a says...

I sincerely hope Kruger comes good on his word and few new signings emerge in the next few days.

Yet again i feel we all need some positive news to drag us out of this mire of sh1te... It might also shut up the media idiots for a few days...
I sincerely hope Kruger comes good on his word and few new signings emerge in the next few days. Yet again i feel we all need some positive news to drag us out of this mire of sh1te... It might also shut up the media idiots for a few days... sparky130a
  • Score: 5

6:18pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
WHERE is the news of our new signings ?

SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit.

Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go.

SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.
Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still !
Yes - what are they going to do - announce all three on Friday or just more words to try and placate the dissenters and try and boost flagging Season ticket sales which have taken a nose- dive.
I can only wait in anticipation for the abuse you will give me but why so negative?

Take them at their word - I dare you.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: WHERE is the news of our new signings ? SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit. Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go. SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.[/p][/quote]Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still ![/p][/quote]Yes - what are they going to do - announce all three on Friday or just more words to try and placate the dissenters and try and boost flagging Season ticket sales which have taken a nose- dive.[/p][/quote]I can only wait in anticipation for the abuse you will give me but why so negative? Take them at their word - I dare you. Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 5

6:20pm Wed 30 Jul 14

jls217 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made. jls217
  • Score: 5

6:25pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

jls217 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.
I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.[/p][/quote]I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle. Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: -3

6:25pm Wed 30 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Enrico Palazzo wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
WHERE is the news of our new signings ?

SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit.

Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go.

SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.
Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still !
Yes - what are they going to do - announce all three on Friday or just more words to try and placate the dissenters and try and boost flagging Season ticket sales which have taken a nose- dive.
I can only wait in anticipation for the abuse you will give me but why so negative?

Take them at their word - I dare you.
No abuse enrico - as a fellow Saints Fan - it is pleasing as with other posters that you continue to make a regular contribution on this forum.

Listening to Dave Merrington today and he commented that it would be very difficult getting the number of quality players in that are required.

The aim is for SFC to be a regular member of the Premiership Top Ten and I for one would be made up to see additional Players join our squad this week under the wing of KING RON.
[quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: WHERE is the news of our new signings ? SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit. Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go. SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.[/p][/quote]Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still ![/p][/quote]Yes - what are they going to do - announce all three on Friday or just more words to try and placate the dissenters and try and boost flagging Season ticket sales which have taken a nose- dive.[/p][/quote]I can only wait in anticipation for the abuse you will give me but why so negative? Take them at their word - I dare you.[/p][/quote]No abuse enrico - as a fellow Saints Fan - it is pleasing as with other posters that you continue to make a regular contribution on this forum. Listening to Dave Merrington today and he commented that it would be very difficult getting the number of quality players in that are required. The aim is for SFC to be a regular member of the Premiership Top Ten and I for one would be made up to see additional Players join our squad this week under the wing of KING RON. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 4

6:27pm Wed 30 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
WHERE is the news of our new signings ?

SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit.

Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go.

SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.
Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still !
Yes - what are they going to do - announce all three on Friday or just more words to try and placate the dissenters and try and boost flagging Season ticket sales which have taken a nose- dive.
Word of advice , I don't think it will happen this week and it possibly won't happen next week either, if at all.
The next big news story will be that, Schneiderlin has really put in a transfer request and the club have had to let him go.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: WHERE is the news of our new signings ? SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit. Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go. SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.[/p][/quote]Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still ![/p][/quote]Yes - what are they going to do - announce all three on Friday or just more words to try and placate the dissenters and try and boost flagging Season ticket sales which have taken a nose- dive.[/p][/quote]Word of advice , I don't think it will happen this week and it possibly won't happen next week either, if at all. The next big news story will be that, Schneiderlin has really put in a transfer request and the club have had to let him go. one in the crowd
  • Score: -4

6:29pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Chapperall says...

I think we should all give the guy a break. Just imagine how you would feel if you saw your team mates being sold for big money moves and being told that was ok for them and not for you. I would be pretty peed off too!
He probably went to twitter vented his views and probably now regrets it. I personally want him to stay as he not just a great player but a player they can build the team around. Good on Ralph for holding ground better job than Reed could have done
I think we should all give the guy a break. Just imagine how you would feel if you saw your team mates being sold for big money moves and being told that was ok for them and not for you. I would be pretty peed off too! He probably went to twitter vented his views and probably now regrets it. I personally want him to stay as he not just a great player but a player they can build the team around. Good on Ralph for holding ground better job than Reed could have done Chapperall
  • Score: 6

6:30pm Wed 30 Jul 14

The stripes says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
damoose wrote:
repost :I think the answers to what+ is going on are in this article


http://www.footyplac



e.com/features/ffp-t



o-blame-for-southamp



ton-exodus-073029811



0?
Please, please everyone paste this address into your browser and read the article.

It shows just exactly why we are barred from offering much higher wages. It explains that there are different rules for the bigger clubs.

This makes me believe that the Southampton Board are, in fact following a proper plan selling off their prize assets because they are BARRED from paying them very much more by the financial rules which leaves the Club in an impossible position.

They are doing exactly the right thing by cashing in and buying quality at a lower price level.

Yes, yes that is manifestly a tautology but it is a self evident truth

Thank you Damoose. Talk about a light going on.
I have read this and have to say it's one of the best articles I have read amongst all the shenanigans going on and also gives a good insight into the Premier League in general.

It may also explain why Krueger is overseas right now and all his comments about a 'healthy' football club.
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: repost :I think the answers to what+ is going on are in this article http://www.footyplac e.com/features/ffp-t o-blame-for-southamp ton-exodus-073029811 0?[/p][/quote]Please, please everyone paste this address into your browser and read the article. It shows just exactly why we are barred from offering much higher wages. It explains that there are different rules for the bigger clubs. This makes me believe that the Southampton Board are, in fact following a proper plan selling off their prize assets because they are BARRED from paying them very much more by the financial rules which leaves the Club in an impossible position. They are doing exactly the right thing by cashing in and buying quality at a lower price level. Yes, yes that is manifestly a tautology but it is a self evident truth Thank you Damoose. Talk about a light going on.[/p][/quote]I have read this and have to say it's one of the best articles I have read amongst all the shenanigans going on and also gives a good insight into the Premier League in general. It may also explain why Krueger is overseas right now and all his comments about a 'healthy' football club. The stripes
  • Score: 7

7:03pm Wed 30 Jul 14

up saints says...

the only fact we have is 5 players have left and only 2 in.and any players is available at premium prices.i don;t think chambers was premium price but thats just my opinion.still a rocky road ahead.
the only fact we have is 5 players have left and only 2 in.and any players is available at premium prices.i don;t think chambers was premium price but thats just my opinion.still a rocky road ahead. up saints
  • Score: 1

7:31pm Wed 30 Jul 14

midlandsaint says...

Im not happy with Morgan's conduct on twitter yesterday but given recent events I can understand his frustration. However, the fact that Saints dont want to let him go is a huge compliment to him.

I just hope that when the season starts and Morgan runs out onto the pitch the fans applaud and chant his name, give him their support and make him feel welcome. Remembering not the tweet but rather the 6 years of hard work he has so far given us and our joy at his performances.
Im not happy with Morgan's conduct on twitter yesterday but given recent events I can understand his frustration. However, the fact that Saints dont want to let him go is a huge compliment to him. I just hope that when the season starts and Morgan runs out onto the pitch the fans applaud and chant his name, give him their support and make him feel welcome. Remembering not the tweet but rather the 6 years of hard work he has so far given us and our joy at his performances. midlandsaint
  • Score: 11

7:40pm Wed 30 Jul 14

dadofmy3sons says...

Support the Saints.

The last five years that has been easy as we have won games and plaudits, got promotions and exceeded all our wildest expectations.
Now we have to pay for all that good stuff and it is going to be a little more difficult.
I supported the team as we nosedived and couldn't believe how bad some of the situations were.
We now have a situation that is beggaring belief, but we are Southampton, we will survive.
All these players that have left?
thanks, but do not expect a pleasant greeting from me when you return to play against us. They are just opposition players now and I don't owe them anything.
They left for their own personal benefit, the wages we paid them through the turnstiles wasn't enough and they want more, more of everything.
It will make it difficult to sing any players name in future as it always possible that they will want to leave at some point and they will not be in the least bit interested in the people they leave behind.
Us, the real Southampton Football Club.
the supporters.
not a bunch of mercenaries and a building.
Support the Saints
Support the Saints. The last five years that has been easy as we have won games and plaudits, got promotions and exceeded all our wildest expectations. Now we have to pay for all that good stuff and it is going to be a little more difficult. I supported the team as we nosedived and couldn't believe how bad some of the situations were. We now have a situation that is beggaring belief, but we are Southampton, we will survive. All these players that have left? thanks, but do not expect a pleasant greeting from me when you return to play against us. They are just opposition players now and I don't owe them anything. They left for their own personal benefit, the wages we paid them through the turnstiles wasn't enough and they want more, more of everything. It will make it difficult to sing any players name in future as it always possible that they will want to leave at some point and they will not be in the least bit interested in the people they leave behind. Us, the real Southampton Football Club. the supporters. not a bunch of mercenaries and a building. Support the Saints dadofmy3sons
  • Score: 8

7:46pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

InsideOutCat wrote:
jls217 wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Why are some people still saying he will stay? I'm 110% certain he WILL be a Tottenham player before you can say 'loyalty'
Could you please explain how one gets to be 110%sure. I would like to strive for 120% sure but just can't seem to get motivated enough to hit it. Thanks
Is that 100% + VAT ?
Its called being '****-sure' or to put it another way a spuds fan
[quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Why are some people still saying he will stay? I'm 110% certain he WILL be a Tottenham player before you can say 'loyalty'[/p][/quote]Could you please explain how one gets to be 110%sure. I would like to strive for 120% sure but just can't seem to get motivated enough to hit it. Thanks[/p][/quote]Is that 100% + VAT ?[/p][/quote]Its called being '****-sure' or to put it another way a spuds fan Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 1

7:49pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
jls217 wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Why are some people still saying he will stay? I'm 110% certain he WILL be a Tottenham player before you can say 'loyalty'
Could you please explain how one gets to be 110%sure. I would like to strive for 120% sure but just can't seem to get motivated enough to hit it. Thanks
Is that 100% + VAT ?
Its called being '****-sure' or to put it another way a spuds fan
C0ck-sure
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Why are some people still saying he will stay? I'm 110% certain he WILL be a Tottenham player before you can say 'loyalty'[/p][/quote]Could you please explain how one gets to be 110%sure. I would like to strive for 120% sure but just can't seem to get motivated enough to hit it. Thanks[/p][/quote]Is that 100% + VAT ?[/p][/quote]Its called being '****-sure' or to put it another way a spuds fan[/p][/quote]C0ck-sure Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 1

8:13pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Buddy SFC says...

Enrico Palazzo wrote:
jls217 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.
I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.
We simply at this stage don't have the fans ....... 2013 we were sold out every game post Xmas , last year playing wonderful football with a stunning squad we only sold out at most 4 games after Xmas ..........

Simple choice build for the future , NC was brilliant as one of the contractors on his home said ''At spending other peoples money'' ........ SFC was built on a house of cards, why do think he left ? Lets hope this is the start of a new revolution ''Ronald's Revolution''........
....
[quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.[/p][/quote]I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.[/p][/quote]We simply at this stage don't have the fans ....... 2013 we were sold out every game post Xmas , last year playing wonderful football with a stunning squad we only sold out at most 4 games after Xmas .......... Simple choice build for the future , NC was brilliant as one of the contractors on his home said ''At spending other peoples money'' ........ SFC was built on a house of cards, why do think he left ? Lets hope this is the start of a new revolution ''Ronald's Revolution''........ .... Buddy SFC
  • Score: 4

8:17pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Buddy SFC says...

one in the crowd wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
WHERE is the news of our new signings ?

SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit.

Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go.

SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.
Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still !
Yes - what are they going to do - announce all three on Friday or just more words to try and placate the dissenters and try and boost flagging Season ticket sales which have taken a nose- dive.
Word of advice , I don't think it will happen this week and it possibly won't happen next week either, if at all.
The next big news story will be that, Schneiderlin has really put in a transfer request and the club have had to let him go.
The ''Board'' really can't win can they ?
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: WHERE is the news of our new signings ? SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit. Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go. SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.[/p][/quote]Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still ![/p][/quote]Yes - what are they going to do - announce all three on Friday or just more words to try and placate the dissenters and try and boost flagging Season ticket sales which have taken a nose- dive.[/p][/quote]Word of advice , I don't think it will happen this week and it possibly won't happen next week either, if at all. The next big news story will be that, Schneiderlin has really put in a transfer request and the club have had to let him go.[/p][/quote]The ''Board'' really can't win can they ? Buddy SFC
  • Score: 5

8:42pm Wed 30 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

redandy10 wrote:
My major concern is the fact that we require replacements for those who left, plus an additional keeper, centre back and forward. And we are yet to see if Morgan and Jay stick around. WE MUST CLOSE DEALS! And this talk about reinvesting what revenue we got from player sales is NOT enough. If this is the case we COULD be setting a president stating we have to sell if we want spend ambitiously.

GONE ARE THE DAYS OF US NOT SELLING PLAYERS BUT SPENDING £35 MILLION IN THE SUMMER!

IMO I believe that KL wanted to sell some players and in May she softened the blow by informing us of the club's overspending and NC's massive salary. I said as much back then, but I was shouted down by the usual suspects who yet again were proved wrong.

There are a lot of bargains to be had in the European transfer market, demonstrated when we got Lovren for under £10 mill. But will they come to us?
oh redandy your selective memory problems are getting worse, perhaps you should seek some help.

if you remember way back when, you kept on saying that you cant keep players anymore and contracts are worthless. you used your favourite saying, which you took from someone else, of a `domino effect`.
now if you remember I kept saying to you that you can keep players if that's what you want to do, so with ralphs statements and interviews yesterday what do you think the club are doing? spider and J-Rod will not be going this summer, no matter what you say!
again if you remember, I said to you that if you let one player leave and break his contract others will be queuing up to ask to leave, I think that's your `domino effect` before you borrowed it!
the club didn't `soften the blow` by informing us of the overspending, they were official figures that have to be published, they cant get out of that. the overspend was obvious for everyone to see long before that anyway, and part of the reason for that was the fact that we werent selling any players but were spending way above anything we had done in our history.
back to the departing players, KL didn't want to sell any of them, why would she? why sell your best players for no reason? it makes no sense and the club told us they didn't `want` to sell the players. I know some saw that as `the players wont be sold` but they never said that. luke signed a new deal last summer, so could the club hold him to that deal? no because part of that deal was that he could leave this summer, liarlanna and chambers also signed new long deals last summer so were they offered the same deal? well why not, the same person who offered luke his deal offered those 2 theirs. dejerk signed last summer but was told that if we got a £20mill offer he could go, we did and he went.
so tell me which of those players could the club have stopped going? so we weren't softened up with bad financial figures, we weren't told they wouldn't be sold, and we couldn't stop them from going, so tell me why does that make you right and others wrong?
oh NC didn't have a `massive` salary a again the club had to release the figures. there is no conspiracy theory to sell players for KL`s back pocket, the players were offered deals and wanted them honoured.
why will players want to come to us? well we have got an internationally respected man as manager, we are a prem team oh and if they do well they might get sold for a lot more to a `big` team and earn a huge pay rise. they will see us as a stepping stone, rightly or wrongly. our only hope is that the new board don't give stupid promises or buy-out clauses to them, then we might be able to hold them to their contracts.
why don't you just cheer up a bit and try to enjoy the ride, you might enjoy it.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: My major concern is the fact that we require replacements for those who left, plus an additional keeper, centre back and forward. And we are yet to see if Morgan and Jay stick around. WE MUST CLOSE DEALS! And this talk about reinvesting what revenue we got from player sales is NOT enough. If this is the case we COULD be setting a president stating we have to sell if we want spend ambitiously. GONE ARE THE DAYS OF US NOT SELLING PLAYERS BUT SPENDING £35 MILLION IN THE SUMMER! IMO I believe that KL wanted to sell some players and in May she softened the blow by informing us of the club's overspending and NC's massive salary. I said as much back then, but I was shouted down by the usual suspects who yet again were proved wrong. There are a lot of bargains to be had in the European transfer market, demonstrated when we got Lovren for under £10 mill. But will they come to us?[/p][/quote]oh redandy your selective memory problems are getting worse, perhaps you should seek some help. if you remember way back when, you kept on saying that you cant keep players anymore and contracts are worthless. you used your favourite saying, which you took from someone else, of a `domino effect`. now if you remember I kept saying to you that you can keep players if that's what you want to do, so with ralphs statements and interviews yesterday what do you think the club are doing? spider and J-Rod will not be going this summer, no matter what you say! again if you remember, I said to you that if you let one player leave and break his contract others will be queuing up to ask to leave, I think that's your `domino effect` before you borrowed it! the club didn't `soften the blow` by informing us of the overspending, they were official figures that have to be published, they cant get out of that. the overspend was obvious for everyone to see long before that anyway, and part of the reason for that was the fact that we werent selling any players but were spending way above anything we had done in our history. back to the departing players, KL didn't want to sell any of them, why would she? why sell your best players for no reason? it makes no sense and the club told us they didn't `want` to sell the players. I know some saw that as `the players wont be sold` but they never said that. luke signed a new deal last summer, so could the club hold him to that deal? no because part of that deal was that he could leave this summer, liarlanna and chambers also signed new long deals last summer so were they offered the same deal? well why not, the same person who offered luke his deal offered those 2 theirs. dejerk signed last summer but was told that if we got a £20mill offer he could go, we did and he went. so tell me which of those players could the club have stopped going? so we weren't softened up with bad financial figures, we weren't told they wouldn't be sold, and we couldn't stop them from going, so tell me why does that make you right and others wrong? oh NC didn't have a `massive` salary a again the club had to release the figures. there is no conspiracy theory to sell players for KL`s back pocket, the players were offered deals and wanted them honoured. why will players want to come to us? well we have got an internationally respected man as manager, we are a prem team oh and if they do well they might get sold for a lot more to a `big` team and earn a huge pay rise. they will see us as a stepping stone, rightly or wrongly. our only hope is that the new board don't give stupid promises or buy-out clauses to them, then we might be able to hold them to their contracts. why don't you just cheer up a bit and try to enjoy the ride, you might enjoy it. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 8

8:44pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Block 42 says...

The board can fool saints fans so fricking easily...if they sign a few players for 5 mill each fans would be mega happy...even though they have probs got 60 million tucked away not getting spent...I want to see 25 million pound signings coming in to replace those left.not natham redmond from championship norwich
The board can fool saints fans so fricking easily...if they sign a few players for 5 mill each fans would be mega happy...even though they have probs got 60 million tucked away not getting spent...I want to see 25 million pound signings coming in to replace those left.not natham redmond from championship norwich Block 42
  • Score: -8

8:46pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Letissthelastoftheloyal says...

Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Let's just wait and see. I just hope we have another good season that's all us fans can do.
[quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Let's just wait and see. I just hope we have another good season that's all us fans can do. Letissthelastoftheloyal
  • Score: 1

8:49pm Wed 30 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

LET'S GET IN

CELTIC PAIR - FRASER FORSTER AND CB VIRGIL VAN DIJK

ARGENTINAS LEFT BACK MARCOS ROJA AND ASTON VILLAS RON VLAAR

to give ourselves a FIGHTING CHANCE in this League !!

COYR+WS
LET'S GET IN CELTIC PAIR - FRASER FORSTER AND CB VIRGIL VAN DIJK ARGENTINAS LEFT BACK MARCOS ROJA AND ASTON VILLAS RON VLAAR to give ourselves a FIGHTING CHANCE in this League !! COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 4

9:00pm Wed 30 Jul 14

thinklikealocal says...

Enrico Palazzo wrote:
jls217 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.
I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.
No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.[/p][/quote]I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.[/p][/quote]No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion. thinklikealocal
  • Score: 4

9:02pm Wed 30 Jul 14

buckie says...

i would be happy with Nathan Redmond remember him scoring a last minute goal against us real beauty plus he"s young had experience of premier league and most important he"s British with something to prove if we get him only another 3 British players in to replace the deserters not happy about spider even former England cricket captain made comment he did"nt look happy and i was hoping he was going to be our captain start spending the money Ralph
i would be happy with Nathan Redmond remember him scoring a last minute goal against us real beauty plus he"s young had experience of premier league and most important he"s British with something to prove if we get him only another 3 British players in to replace the deserters not happy about spider even former England cricket captain made comment he did"nt look happy and i was hoping he was going to be our captain start spending the money Ralph buckie
  • Score: 3

9:06pm Wed 30 Jul 14

thinklikealocal says...

Block 42 wrote:
The board can fool saints fans so fricking easily...if they sign a few players for 5 mill each fans would be mega happy...even though they have probs got 60 million tucked away not getting spent...I want to see 25 million pound signings coming in to replace those left.not natham redmond from championship norwich
Then you are an idiot? Troll? Low league bluester? Who knows, who cares...
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: The board can fool saints fans so fricking easily...if they sign a few players for 5 mill each fans would be mega happy...even though they have probs got 60 million tucked away not getting spent...I want to see 25 million pound signings coming in to replace those left.not natham redmond from championship norwich[/p][/quote]Then you are an idiot? Troll? Low league bluester? Who knows, who cares... thinklikealocal
  • Score: 2

9:06pm Wed 30 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
jls217 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.
I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.
No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.
Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.[/p][/quote]I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.[/p][/quote]No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 0

9:09pm Wed 30 Jul 14

thinklikealocal says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
jls217 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.
I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.
No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.
Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS
Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.[/p][/quote]I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.[/p][/quote]No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics? thinklikealocal
  • Score: 2

9:11pm Wed 30 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
jls217 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.
I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.
No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.
Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS
Because they beat Spuds to it and it was built with tax payers money and they will be renting it.
COYR FOADP
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.[/p][/quote]I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.[/p][/quote]No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Because they beat Spuds to it and it was built with tax payers money and they will be renting it. COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 3

9:19pm Wed 30 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
jls217 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.
I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.
No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.
Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS
Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?
FIGHT AND WIN

A 54,000 Seater Stadium for SAINTS at Stoneham would be a once in a lifetime opportunity to move to a WORLDWIDE Iconic Stadium that would offer Saints the chance to compete with the very best teams in the country and across Europe

IT WOULD provide an opportunity to improve the Clubs fortunes on every level including opening doors to new revenue opportunities, which would help further investments in the Team and Training Facilities to achieve THE FANS FOOTBALLING AMBITIONS.

The Stadiums 54,000 capacity would see us listed among the TOP 6 attended Clubs in the Barclays Premier League and offers a fantastic opportunity to further grow our fan base on a GLOBAL SCALE.

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.[/p][/quote]I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.[/p][/quote]No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?[/p][/quote]FIGHT AND WIN A 54,000 Seater Stadium for SAINTS at Stoneham would be a once in a lifetime opportunity to move to a WORLDWIDE Iconic Stadium that would offer Saints the chance to compete with the very best teams in the country and across Europe IT WOULD provide an opportunity to improve the Clubs fortunes on every level including opening doors to new revenue opportunities, which would help further investments in the Team and Training Facilities to achieve THE FANS FOOTBALLING AMBITIONS. The Stadiums 54,000 capacity would see us listed among the TOP 6 attended Clubs in the Barclays Premier League and offers a fantastic opportunity to further grow our fan base on a GLOBAL SCALE. WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 1

9:21pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Ozmosis says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
jls217 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.
I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.
No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.
Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS
Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?
Not to mention that we are thinking bigger than them. 54000 seats is not enough to provide the income stream to be one of the big 4. We need bigger, and finding young talent across the world and selling them onto clubs at good prices has to be a better financial model. But it takes time.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.[/p][/quote]I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.[/p][/quote]No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?[/p][/quote]Not to mention that we are thinking bigger than them. 54000 seats is not enough to provide the income stream to be one of the big 4. We need bigger, and finding young talent across the world and selling them onto clubs at good prices has to be a better financial model. But it takes time. Ozmosis
  • Score: 1

9:24pm Wed 30 Jul 14

thinklikealocal says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
jls217 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.
I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.
No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.
Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS
Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?
FIGHT AND WIN

A 54,000 Seater Stadium for SAINTS at Stoneham would be a once in a lifetime opportunity to move to a WORLDWIDE Iconic Stadium that would offer Saints the chance to compete with the very best teams in the country and across Europe

IT WOULD provide an opportunity to improve the Clubs fortunes on every level including opening doors to new revenue opportunities, which would help further investments in the Team and Training Facilities to achieve THE FANS FOOTBALLING AMBITIONS.

The Stadiums 54,000 capacity would see us listed among the TOP 6 attended Clubs in the Barclays Premier League and offers a fantastic opportunity to further grow our fan base on a GLOBAL SCALE.

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. COYR+WS
Oh I must have missed something? When are the Olympics being held at Stoneham?
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.[/p][/quote]I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.[/p][/quote]No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?[/p][/quote]FIGHT AND WIN A 54,000 Seater Stadium for SAINTS at Stoneham would be a once in a lifetime opportunity to move to a WORLDWIDE Iconic Stadium that would offer Saints the chance to compete with the very best teams in the country and across Europe IT WOULD provide an opportunity to improve the Clubs fortunes on every level including opening doors to new revenue opportunities, which would help further investments in the Team and Training Facilities to achieve THE FANS FOOTBALLING AMBITIONS. The Stadiums 54,000 capacity would see us listed among the TOP 6 attended Clubs in the Barclays Premier League and offers a fantastic opportunity to further grow our fan base on a GLOBAL SCALE. WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Oh I must have missed something? When are the Olympics being held at Stoneham? thinklikealocal
  • Score: 2

9:26pm Wed 30 Jul 14

jls217 says...

midlandsaint wrote:
Im not happy with Morgan's conduct on twitter yesterday but given recent events I can understand his frustration. However, the fact that Saints dont want to let him go is a huge compliment to him.

I just hope that when the season starts and Morgan runs out onto the pitch the fans applaud and chant his name, give him their support and make him feel welcome. Remembering not the tweet but rather the 6 years of hard work he has so far given us and our joy at his performances.
6 fantastic years ruined in one tweet!
[quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Im not happy with Morgan's conduct on twitter yesterday but given recent events I can understand his frustration. However, the fact that Saints dont want to let him go is a huge compliment to him. I just hope that when the season starts and Morgan runs out onto the pitch the fans applaud and chant his name, give him their support and make him feel welcome. Remembering not the tweet but rather the 6 years of hard work he has so far given us and our joy at his performances.[/p][/quote]6 fantastic years ruined in one tweet! jls217
  • Score: 1

9:26pm Wed 30 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Ozmosis wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
jls217 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.
I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.
No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.
Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS
Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?
Not to mention that we are thinking bigger than them. 54000 seats is not enough to provide the income stream to be one of the big 4. We need bigger, and finding young talent across the world and selling them onto clubs at good prices has to be a better financial model. But it takes time.
BOTH - BIGGER STADIUM and FINDING TALENT for a more complete financial model. COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.[/p][/quote]I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.[/p][/quote]No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?[/p][/quote]Not to mention that we are thinking bigger than them. 54000 seats is not enough to provide the income stream to be one of the big 4. We need bigger, and finding young talent across the world and selling them onto clubs at good prices has to be a better financial model. But it takes time.[/p][/quote]BOTH - BIGGER STADIUM and FINDING TALENT for a more complete financial model. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 0

9:28pm Wed 30 Jul 14

WobblyCat says...

Apparently the burger van outside the chapel end has been spotted at Tottenham having an MOT! Koeman refuses to sell his last tippex roller to Arsenals accounts office, the tide is turning!!
Apparently the burger van outside the chapel end has been spotted at Tottenham having an MOT! Koeman refuses to sell his last tippex roller to Arsenals accounts office, the tide is turning!! WobblyCat
  • Score: 3

9:28pm Wed 30 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
jls217 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.
I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.
No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.
Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS
Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?
FIGHT AND WIN

A 54,000 Seater Stadium for SAINTS at Stoneham would be a once in a lifetime opportunity to move to a WORLDWIDE Iconic Stadium that would offer Saints the chance to compete with the very best teams in the country and across Europe

IT WOULD provide an opportunity to improve the Clubs fortunes on every level including opening doors to new revenue opportunities, which would help further investments in the Team and Training Facilities to achieve THE FANS FOOTBALLING AMBITIONS.

The Stadiums 54,000 capacity would see us listed among the TOP 6 attended Clubs in the Barclays Premier League and offers a fantastic opportunity to further grow our fan base on a GLOBAL SCALE.

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. COYR+WS
Oh I must have missed something? When are the Olympics being held at Stoneham?
Katherina will surely with her financial acumen BUILD ONE for SFC and sell St Mary's at a handsome Profit. COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.[/p][/quote]I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.[/p][/quote]No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?[/p][/quote]FIGHT AND WIN A 54,000 Seater Stadium for SAINTS at Stoneham would be a once in a lifetime opportunity to move to a WORLDWIDE Iconic Stadium that would offer Saints the chance to compete with the very best teams in the country and across Europe IT WOULD provide an opportunity to improve the Clubs fortunes on every level including opening doors to new revenue opportunities, which would help further investments in the Team and Training Facilities to achieve THE FANS FOOTBALLING AMBITIONS. The Stadiums 54,000 capacity would see us listed among the TOP 6 attended Clubs in the Barclays Premier League and offers a fantastic opportunity to further grow our fan base on a GLOBAL SCALE. WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Oh I must have missed something? When are the Olympics being held at Stoneham?[/p][/quote]Katherina will surely with her financial acumen BUILD ONE for SFC and sell St Mary's at a handsome Profit. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 1

9:39pm Wed 30 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

ryan Bertrand singed on season long loan from chelski!
ryan Bertrand singed on season long loan from chelski! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 0

9:40pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
jls217 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.
I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.
No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.
Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS
Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?
FIGHT AND WIN

A 54,000 Seater Stadium for SAINTS at Stoneham would be a once in a lifetime opportunity to move to a WORLDWIDE Iconic Stadium that would offer Saints the chance to compete with the very best teams in the country and across Europe

IT WOULD provide an opportunity to improve the Clubs fortunes on every level including opening doors to new revenue opportunities, which would help further investments in the Team and Training Facilities to achieve THE FANS FOOTBALLING AMBITIONS.

The Stadiums 54,000 capacity would see us listed among the TOP 6 attended Clubs in the Barclays Premier League and offers a fantastic opportunity to further grow our fan base on a GLOBAL SCALE.

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. COYR+WS
Oh I must have missed something? When are the Olympics being held at Stoneham?
Katherina will surely with her financial acumen BUILD ONE for SFC and sell St Mary's at a handsome Profit. COYR+WS
Its what Cortese had in mind.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.[/p][/quote]I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.[/p][/quote]No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?[/p][/quote]FIGHT AND WIN A 54,000 Seater Stadium for SAINTS at Stoneham would be a once in a lifetime opportunity to move to a WORLDWIDE Iconic Stadium that would offer Saints the chance to compete with the very best teams in the country and across Europe IT WOULD provide an opportunity to improve the Clubs fortunes on every level including opening doors to new revenue opportunities, which would help further investments in the Team and Training Facilities to achieve THE FANS FOOTBALLING AMBITIONS. The Stadiums 54,000 capacity would see us listed among the TOP 6 attended Clubs in the Barclays Premier League and offers a fantastic opportunity to further grow our fan base on a GLOBAL SCALE. WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Oh I must have missed something? When are the Olympics being held at Stoneham?[/p][/quote]Katherina will surely with her financial acumen BUILD ONE for SFC and sell St Mary's at a handsome Profit. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Its what Cortese had in mind. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

9:41pm Wed 30 Jul 14

simmo 2 says...

any player that wants to leave fxxx off , i cant beleive that some people come on here and defend players that want to leave !!! how many goals has he scored ?? why havnt one of the big four come in for him ?? why doesnt he play for france reg ? another big time charlie who thinks hes better than he is !! go and anyone else can go with him , players that want to play for sfc only please !!!!
any player that wants to leave fxxx off , i cant beleive that some people come on here and defend players that want to leave !!! how many goals has he scored ?? why havnt one of the big four come in for him ?? why doesnt he play for france reg ? another big time charlie who thinks hes better than he is !! go and anyone else can go with him , players that want to play for sfc only please !!!! simmo 2
  • Score: 2

9:45pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Buddy SFC says...

one in the crowd wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
WHERE is the news of our new signings ?

SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit.

Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go.

SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.
Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still !
Yes - what are they going to do - announce all three on Friday or just more words to try and placate the dissenters and try and boost flagging Season ticket sales which have taken a nose- dive.
Word of advice , I don't think it will happen this week and it possibly won't happen next week either, if at all.
The next big news story will be that, Schneiderlin has really put in a transfer request and the club have had to let him go.
1 ! ....................
....................
..........
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: WHERE is the news of our new signings ? SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit. Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go. SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.[/p][/quote]Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still ![/p][/quote]Yes - what are they going to do - announce all three on Friday or just more words to try and placate the dissenters and try and boost flagging Season ticket sales which have taken a nose- dive.[/p][/quote]Word of advice , I don't think it will happen this week and it possibly won't happen next week either, if at all. The next big news story will be that, Schneiderlin has really put in a transfer request and the club have had to let him go.[/p][/quote]1 ! .................... .................... .......... Buddy SFC
  • Score: 2

9:53pm Wed 30 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
WHERE is the news of our new signings ?

SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit.

Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go.

SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.
Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still !
Yes - what are they going to do - announce all three on Friday or just more words to try and placate the dissenters and try and boost flagging Season ticket sales which have taken a nose- dive.
Word of advice , I don't think it will happen this week and it possibly won't happen next week either, if at all.
The next big news story will be that, Schneiderlin has really put in a transfer request and the club have had to let him go.
1 ! ....................

....................

..........
Think MS has just put in a TRANSFER REQUEST !! COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: WHERE is the news of our new signings ? SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit. Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go. SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.[/p][/quote]Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still ![/p][/quote]Yes - what are they going to do - announce all three on Friday or just more words to try and placate the dissenters and try and boost flagging Season ticket sales which have taken a nose- dive.[/p][/quote]Word of advice , I don't think it will happen this week and it possibly won't happen next week either, if at all. The next big news story will be that, Schneiderlin has really put in a transfer request and the club have had to let him go.[/p][/quote]1 ! .................... .................... ..........[/p][/quote]Think MS has just put in a TRANSFER REQUEST !! COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 2

9:56pm Wed 30 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
WHERE is the news of our new signings ?

SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit.

Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go.

SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.
Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still !
Yes - what are they going to do - announce all three on Friday or just more words to try and placate the dissenters and try and boost flagging Season ticket sales which have taken a nose- dive.
Word of advice , I don't think it will happen this week and it possibly won't happen next week either, if at all.
The next big news story will be that, Schneiderlin has really put in a transfer request and the club have had to let him go.
1 ! ....................

....................

..........
Doh.....that's blown it!!
And there's us all hanging onto every word you say as you seem to know sooooo much
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: WHERE is the news of our new signings ? SELLING our Top Talent is the easy bit. Ralph and Les Reed - you jobs are not secure at the moment - you made a right mess of things letting all those Players go. SKY reported a Goalkeeper -Striker and Defender to be signed this week.[/p][/quote]Errrrrrrrrrrit this week ....... still ![/p][/quote]Yes - what are they going to do - announce all three on Friday or just more words to try and placate the dissenters and try and boost flagging Season ticket sales which have taken a nose- dive.[/p][/quote]Word of advice , I don't think it will happen this week and it possibly won't happen next week either, if at all. The next big news story will be that, Schneiderlin has really put in a transfer request and the club have had to let him go.[/p][/quote]1 ! .................... .................... ..........[/p][/quote]Doh.....that's blown it!! And there's us all hanging onto every word you say as you seem to know sooooo much J7junctionseven
  • Score: 1

10:47pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Suttonite says...

Shame you don't pay more attention to what is really happening, rather than speculation! Pelle signed (better than Lambert), Tadic signed ( could be at least as good as Lallana), Bertrand signed on loan with option to buy (as good as Shaw) and there will be more to come soon including Forster who performed really well for Celtic tonight. The team will probably end up stronger than last season and the Club will be financially far more secure with greater potential to develop further.
Shame you don't pay more attention to what is really happening, rather than speculation! Pelle signed (better than Lambert), Tadic signed ( could be at least as good as Lallana), Bertrand signed on loan with option to buy (as good as Shaw) and there will be more to come soon including Forster who performed really well for Celtic tonight. The team will probably end up stronger than last season and the Club will be financially far more secure with greater potential to develop further. Suttonite
  • Score: 4

12:05am Thu 31 Jul 14

Jesus_02 says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Why are some people still saying he will stay? I'm 110% certain he WILL be a Tottenham player before you can say 'loyalty'
Loyalty
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Why are some people still saying he will stay? I'm 110% certain he WILL be a Tottenham player before you can say 'loyalty'[/p][/quote]Loyalty Jesus_02
  • Score: 2

3:19am Thu 31 Jul 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Why are some people still saying he will stay? I'm 110% certain he WILL be a Tottenham player before you can say 'loyalty'
Loyalty
Loyalty
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Why are some people still saying he will stay? I'm 110% certain he WILL be a Tottenham player before you can say 'loyalty'[/p][/quote]Loyalty[/p][/quote]Loyalty SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 2

7:42am Thu 31 Jul 14

fritzer says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
jls217 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.
I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.
No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.
Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS
Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?
FIGHT AND WIN

A 54,000 Seater Stadium for SAINTS at Stoneham would be a once in a lifetime opportunity to move to a WORLDWIDE Iconic Stadium that would offer Saints the chance to compete with the very best teams in the country and across Europe

IT WOULD provide an opportunity to improve the Clubs fortunes on every level including opening doors to new revenue opportunities, which would help further investments in the Team and Training Facilities to achieve THE FANS FOOTBALLING AMBITIONS.

The Stadiums 54,000 capacity would see us listed among the TOP 6 attended Clubs in the Barclays Premier League and offers a fantastic opportunity to further grow our fan base on a GLOBAL SCALE.

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. COYR+WS
Oh I must have missed something? When are the Olympics being held at Stoneham?
Katherina will surely with her financial acumen BUILD ONE for SFC and sell St Mary's at a handsome Profit. COYR+WS
How many times was St Mary's full to it's capacity las season ?
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.[/p][/quote]I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.[/p][/quote]No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?[/p][/quote]FIGHT AND WIN A 54,000 Seater Stadium for SAINTS at Stoneham would be a once in a lifetime opportunity to move to a WORLDWIDE Iconic Stadium that would offer Saints the chance to compete with the very best teams in the country and across Europe IT WOULD provide an opportunity to improve the Clubs fortunes on every level including opening doors to new revenue opportunities, which would help further investments in the Team and Training Facilities to achieve THE FANS FOOTBALLING AMBITIONS. The Stadiums 54,000 capacity would see us listed among the TOP 6 attended Clubs in the Barclays Premier League and offers a fantastic opportunity to further grow our fan base on a GLOBAL SCALE. WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Oh I must have missed something? When are the Olympics being held at Stoneham?[/p][/quote]Katherina will surely with her financial acumen BUILD ONE for SFC and sell St Mary's at a handsome Profit. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]How many times was St Mary's full to it's capacity las season ? fritzer
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7:47am Thu 31 Jul 14

Redslo says...

I just started a Southampton FC related blog if anyone is interested.

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8:00am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

fritzer wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
jls217 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.
I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.
No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.
Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS
Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?
FIGHT AND WIN

A 54,000 Seater Stadium for SAINTS at Stoneham would be a once in a lifetime opportunity to move to a WORLDWIDE Iconic Stadium that would offer Saints the chance to compete with the very best teams in the country and across Europe

IT WOULD provide an opportunity to improve the Clubs fortunes on every level including opening doors to new revenue opportunities, which would help further investments in the Team and Training Facilities to achieve THE FANS FOOTBALLING AMBITIONS.

The Stadiums 54,000 capacity would see us listed among the TOP 6 attended Clubs in the Barclays Premier League and offers a fantastic opportunity to further grow our fan base on a GLOBAL SCALE.

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. COYR+WS
Oh I must have missed something? When are the Olympics being held at Stoneham?
Katherina will surely with her financial acumen BUILD ONE for SFC and sell St Mary's at a handsome Profit. COYR+WS
How many times was St Mary's full to it's capacity las season ?
Thanks mate been saying it every time someone mentions a bigger stadium but still another dreamer comes on wanting a larger stadium.

Who can remember the last Stoneham fiasco and how it was blocked no matter how many times we overcame the objection there was always another one. Lowe banged his head against the wall for ages on that one. There was always one more NIMBY to fight if I remember rightly and we were over the moon when we finally got the go ahead at ST Mary's. I remember the plans for that stadium complex and it was (or would have been) one of the best in Europe - Opportunity lost and probably gone forever.
We can't fill the stadium we have - hence the problem is not the stadium but the interest locally in our football club. Put more bums on seats and I guess the board would have to consider a new stadium. It would help put Southampton on the map again but the people of Southampton don't care enough it seems. I suspect if the prices were to drop so a working bloke could take his family as a two weekly treat instead of now only being able to do so on a special occasion, we might get quite a few thousand more in. We are not capturing local kids. The marketing men need to address this and very quickly.
[quote][p][bold]fritzer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.[/p][/quote]I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.[/p][/quote]No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?[/p][/quote]FIGHT AND WIN A 54,000 Seater Stadium for SAINTS at Stoneham would be a once in a lifetime opportunity to move to a WORLDWIDE Iconic Stadium that would offer Saints the chance to compete with the very best teams in the country and across Europe IT WOULD provide an opportunity to improve the Clubs fortunes on every level including opening doors to new revenue opportunities, which would help further investments in the Team and Training Facilities to achieve THE FANS FOOTBALLING AMBITIONS. The Stadiums 54,000 capacity would see us listed among the TOP 6 attended Clubs in the Barclays Premier League and offers a fantastic opportunity to further grow our fan base on a GLOBAL SCALE. WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Oh I must have missed something? When are the Olympics being held at Stoneham?[/p][/quote]Katherina will surely with her financial acumen BUILD ONE for SFC and sell St Mary's at a handsome Profit. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]How many times was St Mary's full to it's capacity las season ?[/p][/quote]Thanks mate been saying it every time someone mentions a bigger stadium but still another dreamer comes on wanting a larger stadium. Who can remember the last Stoneham fiasco and how it was blocked no matter how many times we overcame the objection there was always another one. Lowe banged his head against the wall for ages on that one. There was always one more NIMBY to fight if I remember rightly and we were over the moon when we finally got the go ahead at ST Mary's. I remember the plans for that stadium complex and it was (or would have been) one of the best in Europe - Opportunity lost and probably gone forever. We can't fill the stadium we have - hence the problem is not the stadium but the interest locally in our football club. Put more bums on seats and I guess the board would have to consider a new stadium. It would help put Southampton on the map again but the people of Southampton don't care enough it seems. I suspect if the prices were to drop so a working bloke could take his family as a two weekly treat instead of now only being able to do so on a special occasion, we might get quite a few thousand more in. We are not capturing local kids. The marketing men need to address this and very quickly. jls217
  • Score: 0

8:22am Thu 31 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

jls217 wrote:
fritzer wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
jls217 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.
I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.
No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.
Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS
Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?
FIGHT AND WIN

A 54,000 Seater Stadium for SAINTS at Stoneham would be a once in a lifetime opportunity to move to a WORLDWIDE Iconic Stadium that would offer Saints the chance to compete with the very best teams in the country and across Europe

IT WOULD provide an opportunity to improve the Clubs fortunes on every level including opening doors to new revenue opportunities, which would help further investments in the Team and Training Facilities to achieve THE FANS FOOTBALLING AMBITIONS.

The Stadiums 54,000 capacity would see us listed among the TOP 6 attended Clubs in the Barclays Premier League and offers a fantastic opportunity to further grow our fan base on a GLOBAL SCALE.

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. COYR+WS
Oh I must have missed something? When are the Olympics being held at Stoneham?
Katherina will surely with her financial acumen BUILD ONE for SFC and sell St Mary's at a handsome Profit. COYR+WS
How many times was St Mary's full to it's capacity las season ?
Thanks mate been saying it every time someone mentions a bigger stadium but still another dreamer comes on wanting a larger stadium.

Who can remember the last Stoneham fiasco and how it was blocked no matter how many times we overcame the objection there was always another one. Lowe banged his head against the wall for ages on that one. There was always one more NIMBY to fight if I remember rightly and we were over the moon when we finally got the go ahead at ST Mary's. I remember the plans for that stadium complex and it was (or would have been) one of the best in Europe - Opportunity lost and probably gone forever.
We can't fill the stadium we have - hence the problem is not the stadium but the interest locally in our football club. Put more bums on seats and I guess the board would have to consider a new stadium. It would help put Southampton on the map again but the people of Southampton don't care enough it seems. I suspect if the prices were to drop so a working bloke could take his family as a two weekly treat instead of now only being able to do so on a special occasion, we might get quite a few thousand more in. We are not capturing local kids. The marketing men need to address this and very quickly.
Yeah .... Wet Spam currently have the same problem - and they are asking every man and his dog -and using every marketing skill available so they and fill their new home ....

If we really wanted to ... with local kids and pricing etc - we could get more through the turnstiles .... and we could at St Mary's as well.

COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fritzer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.[/p][/quote]I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.[/p][/quote]No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?[/p][/quote]FIGHT AND WIN A 54,000 Seater Stadium for SAINTS at Stoneham would be a once in a lifetime opportunity to move to a WORLDWIDE Iconic Stadium that would offer Saints the chance to compete with the very best teams in the country and across Europe IT WOULD provide an opportunity to improve the Clubs fortunes on every level including opening doors to new revenue opportunities, which would help further investments in the Team and Training Facilities to achieve THE FANS FOOTBALLING AMBITIONS. The Stadiums 54,000 capacity would see us listed among the TOP 6 attended Clubs in the Barclays Premier League and offers a fantastic opportunity to further grow our fan base on a GLOBAL SCALE. WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Oh I must have missed something? When are the Olympics being held at Stoneham?[/p][/quote]Katherina will surely with her financial acumen BUILD ONE for SFC and sell St Mary's at a handsome Profit. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]How many times was St Mary's full to it's capacity las season ?[/p][/quote]Thanks mate been saying it every time someone mentions a bigger stadium but still another dreamer comes on wanting a larger stadium. Who can remember the last Stoneham fiasco and how it was blocked no matter how many times we overcame the objection there was always another one. Lowe banged his head against the wall for ages on that one. There was always one more NIMBY to fight if I remember rightly and we were over the moon when we finally got the go ahead at ST Mary's. I remember the plans for that stadium complex and it was (or would have been) one of the best in Europe - Opportunity lost and probably gone forever. We can't fill the stadium we have - hence the problem is not the stadium but the interest locally in our football club. Put more bums on seats and I guess the board would have to consider a new stadium. It would help put Southampton on the map again but the people of Southampton don't care enough it seems. I suspect if the prices were to drop so a working bloke could take his family as a two weekly treat instead of now only being able to do so on a special occasion, we might get quite a few thousand more in. We are not capturing local kids. The marketing men need to address this and very quickly.[/p][/quote]Yeah .... Wet Spam currently have the same problem - and they are asking every man and his dog -and using every marketing skill available so they and fill their new home .... If we really wanted to ... with local kids and pricing etc - we could get more through the turnstiles .... and we could at St Mary's as well. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 2

8:32am Thu 31 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
I've NOT had a very nice lunch, to be honest.

It was a little pot of humous with nothing but crackers to dip in it. 3/10.
Yesterday's news...how was breakfast?
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: I've NOT had a very nice lunch, to be honest. It was a little pot of humous with nothing but crackers to dip in it. 3/10.[/p][/quote]Yesterday's news...how was breakfast? lowe esteem
  • Score: 1

8:33am Thu 31 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

fritzer wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
jls217 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.
I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.
No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.
Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS
Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?
FIGHT AND WIN

A 54,000 Seater Stadium for SAINTS at Stoneham would be a once in a lifetime opportunity to move to a WORLDWIDE Iconic Stadium that would offer Saints the chance to compete with the very best teams in the country and across Europe

IT WOULD provide an opportunity to improve the Clubs fortunes on every level including opening doors to new revenue opportunities, which would help further investments in the Team and Training Facilities to achieve THE FANS FOOTBALLING AMBITIONS.

The Stadiums 54,000 capacity would see us listed among the TOP 6 attended Clubs in the Barclays Premier League and offers a fantastic opportunity to further grow our fan base on a GLOBAL SCALE.

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. COYR+WS
Oh I must have missed something? When are the Olympics being held at Stoneham?
Katherina will surely with her financial acumen BUILD ONE for SFC and sell St Mary's at a handsome Profit. COYR+WS
How many times was St Mary's full to it's capacity las season ?
How many tmes could I not get a ticket…yes kids down here are shallower, yes parents down here do not have a local community loyalty, yet when the occasion arises we are capable of being every bit as big as a top sic club attendance wise….

JPT a nothing trophy would have seen 75.000 plus had we the tickets, the bigger home games would add 10.000 to the gate and our own mini thetre of dreams would and should be a glorious atmospheric day out which will swing the mood enabling thousands more to be captured for a lifetime, moreover if you are playing in one of the best stadiums in the country with a big following weeek in and out, with significantly higher wages than we can offer now the benefits are obvious.

When Kevin Keegan left us in 83 our mean average gates 23.000 were higher than Newcastle 18,000…however once that city went on a roll, well you see for yourself..

I remember being at a cold stamford bridge back in the late 80's and there were 9000 there for an evening div 1 and 2000 were us!

Trust me we HAVE to build it in order to fill it and our potential…..

As a footnote BHA were playing in front of 7000 a few years ago..in two years they will be bigger than us!
[quote][p][bold]fritzer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]If we are hobbled by fair play as we currently are we will never be able to put our wage structure on a par with many of our competitors as it stands all our club will ever be is a springboard and that's if we're lucky - you can expect the vultures to be looking ever more closely at the younger age groups in the hope of stealing a march on their fellow vultures. A lot of great talent will slip by without ever appearing in St Mary's - the world has gone made.[/p][/quote]I've been saying for a while that I think this is the crux of it. Until we can up our revenue streams i.e. 45k plus stadium we will never compete. It's a vicious circle.[/p][/quote]No disrespect but to keep banging on about a bigger stadium being the answer to higher revenue streams, i.e. the long term financial solution - is simply not enough. To break into the the 'cartel' will take far more money and 'a different model'. Setting up the academy franchise (amongst other things) is much more on the money but will take longer. For us fans this means patience but long term reward, security for our club, and, maybe, future big time success in footballing terms. Just my opinion.[/p][/quote]Why are Wet Spam moving to a 54,000 seater stadium then ... COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Cos they virtually got gifted it via the Olympics?[/p][/quote]FIGHT AND WIN A 54,000 Seater Stadium for SAINTS at Stoneham would be a once in a lifetime opportunity to move to a WORLDWIDE Iconic Stadium that would offer Saints the chance to compete with the very best teams in the country and across Europe IT WOULD provide an opportunity to improve the Clubs fortunes on every level including opening doors to new revenue opportunities, which would help further investments in the Team and Training Facilities to achieve THE FANS FOOTBALLING AMBITIONS. The Stadiums 54,000 capacity would see us listed among the TOP 6 attended Clubs in the Barclays Premier League and offers a fantastic opportunity to further grow our fan base on a GLOBAL SCALE. WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Oh I must have missed something? When are the Olympics being held at Stoneham?[/p][/quote]Katherina will surely with her financial acumen BUILD ONE for SFC and sell St Mary's at a handsome Profit. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]How many times was St Mary's full to it's capacity las season ?[/p][/quote]How many tmes could I not get a ticket…yes kids down here are shallower, yes parents down here do not have a local community loyalty, yet when the occasion arises we are capable of being every bit as big as a top sic club attendance wise…. JPT a nothing trophy would have seen 75.000 plus had we the tickets, the bigger home games would add 10.000 to the gate and our own mini thetre of dreams would and should be a glorious atmospheric day out which will swing the mood enabling thousands more to be captured for a lifetime, moreover if you are playing in one of the best stadiums in the country with a big following weeek in and out, with significantly higher wages than we can offer now the benefits are obvious. When Kevin Keegan left us in 83 our mean average gates 23.000 were higher than Newcastle 18,000…however once that city went on a roll, well you see for yourself.. I remember being at a cold stamford bridge back in the late 80's and there were 9000 there for an evening div 1 and 2000 were us! Trust me we HAVE to build it in order to fill it and our potential….. As a footnote BHA were playing in front of 7000 a few years ago..in two years they will be bigger than us! warrens 76
  • Score: 1

8:40am Thu 31 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Chriops wrote:
It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch.
I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers.
What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs.

Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'
Cortese would have found a way round it.
Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company!
now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable..
Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable.
Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises..
From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy………..
…however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune.
Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.
Liebherr may be a pan European brand, but KL is not part of the Liebherr Group (unfortunately).
I know but family's do deals capiche…particular

ly Swiss families!
Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's fair to say that financial fair play, while designed to stop another occurrence of clubs going into financial meltdown, has also achieved another goal. That of insuring that clubs in the money making Champions League protect the gravy train they are on, and stop progressive clubs such as Southampton from joining that elite bunch. I'm sure that players at Saints deserve an increase in salaries based on their performances last year, but with only a 4% increase in wages allowed under FFP, we are effectively predisposed to loosing any high achievers. What is criminal under this system was that we already had a woefully thin squad. Any strengthening of the squad would have used the 4% increase without any increased deals to stave off interest in our star players from other clubs. Personally I like the idea of financial fair play, but when you have a club that is trying to build something special as we have, and has been doing that in the right manor, and not just buying success, then FFP isn't Financial Fair Play. It's the Elite Club Protection Regulations - and is far from 'fair play'[/p][/quote]Cortese would have found a way round it.[/p][/quote]Yep, like Citeh and their ridiculouos sponsership deal with their own owners company! now why could we not have thought of that Leibherr is a pan euro brand so fully justifiable.. Anyway, as with any group more than tow people results in 'factions' currently happy clappers and neggies, putting aside cosy words I lean to the latter because at the end of the day actions speak louder..whatever Cortese was he achieved success again and again moreover vastly increased our value, ergo until he has actually resided over failure and a bankrupt club as of 'today' he is unimpeachable. Coversely the board and Les have to date not replaced players at the rate of defections, not kept to their word and have not been honest and open viz a viz their promises.. From a neutral perspective we are being gutted, from my viewpoint everything is not rosy……….. …however 2 world class defenders another striker and quality players signed to new contracts plus of course a world class goalkeeper and I will be singing a different tune. Note of caution even if we exit this nightmare the board have to stop us being a spring board for talent leaving, we need to up our regional fan are, up our stadium and up the souths passion, in 2 years as things stand we will not even be the souths biggest club, BHAFC will be and that is not a good thing for us in promoting ourselves as the souths heartbeat.[/p][/quote]Liebherr may be a pan European brand, but KL is not part of the Liebherr Group (unfortunately).[/p][/quote]I know but family's do deals capiche…particular ly Swiss families![/p][/quote]Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. Rising_Son
  • Score: -1

9:34am Thu 31 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Right just my thoughts about expanding st Marys/new stadium.
People thought we would struggle to fillet Marys when it was being built, some fans didn't though.
Take a look at the gates we got in L1 and the championship, shows there is local interest and a good core support.
St Marys wasn't full last season but most of the times the gates were really low, take out early round cup games, the vast majority of empty seats were in the away end. How many times did we see a whole block empty behind the northam end goal?
We cant do anything about other teams having poor travelling support, but we can do something to get more of our fans in.
Build it and they will come ;0)
Right just my thoughts about expanding st Marys/new stadium. People thought we would struggle to fillet Marys when it was being built, some fans didn't though. Take a look at the gates we got in L1 and the championship, shows there is local interest and a good core support. St Marys wasn't full last season but most of the times the gates were really low, take out early round cup games, the vast majority of empty seats were in the away end. How many times did we see a whole block empty behind the northam end goal? We cant do anything about other teams having poor travelling support, but we can do something to get more of our fans in. Build it and they will come ;0) de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 4

12:20pm Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Why are some people still saying he will stay? I'm 110% certain he WILL be a Tottenham player before you can say 'loyalty'
Loyalty
Loyalty
There's the Echo sounding off again.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Why are some people still saying he will stay? I'm 110% certain he WILL be a Tottenham player before you can say 'loyalty'[/p][/quote]Loyalty[/p][/quote]Loyalty[/p][/quote]There's the Echo sounding off again. jls217
  • Score: 0

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