Dejan Lovren to force exit from Southampton with pre-season no-show

Basingstoke Gazette: Lovren to force exit from Saints with pre-season no-show Lovren to force exit from Saints with pre-season no-show

Dejan Lovren is expected to be a no-show at pre-season, as he attempts to force a move away from Saints.

Sources close to the player have confirmed to the Daily Echo that the centre-half does not currently plan to return to the club this summer.

Lovren, who is being pursued by Liverpool, has already submitted a transfer request and does not wish to play for Saints again.

He will be expected back at St Mary’s later this month, with his involvement at the World Cup meaning he is scheduled to return later than most of the squad.

However, the 24-year-old Croatian international is unlikely to appear.

Liverpool want to sign Lovren and it is understood that at least two approaches from the Reds have been knocked back this summer.

The defender, who has also been linked with Tottenham, is unhappy at the stance of the Saints board, and believes an agreement was in place with him that if another club offered a certain amount, believed to be around £20m, he would be allowed to leave.

Liverpool are said to have matched that figure, only for Saints to stand firm and knock back the offer, and the club will point to the four-year contract the player signed when he joined from Lyon in an £8.5m deal last summer.

Lovren is said to also be frustrated that the project he was supposedly told about last summer has “completely changed”.

The Echo has been told that Lovren’s ambition is to play Champions League football and that he does not feel that will be possible at Saints any longer.

Lovren was an integral component of the team last season, forming a strong partnership with José Fonte at the heart of the back line.

His impressive performances have seen his value soar, and Saints’ current stance is that they do not wish to sell him, while they expect him to honour his contract.

By intending not to return, though, Lovren is hoping he can force through a transfer.

However, if Saints do agree to sell him, they will not accept a cut-price deal on the basis that he wants out.

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7:05am Thu 3 Jul 14

Manicsaintbloke says...

Another disloyal delusional money grabbing **** but you know what I'll hold the door open for you if ya like as there is obviously no pride here in wearing our colours
Another disloyal delusional money grabbing **** but you know what I'll hold the door open for you if ya like as there is obviously no pride here in wearing our colours Manicsaintbloke
  • Score: 145

7:13am Thu 3 Jul 14

jonnyP says...

Wow- SFC must be a terrible place to work! Everyone wants to leave! It must be like the workhouse in Victorian times. Wouldn't be surprised to see some employment tribunals about academy kids being forced up chimneys etc!!!
But on the bright side maybe well still have a great season… COME ON YOU SAINTS!!!!!!
Wow- SFC must be a terrible place to work! Everyone wants to leave! It must be like the workhouse in Victorian times. Wouldn't be surprised to see some employment tribunals about academy kids being forced up chimneys etc!!! But on the bright side maybe well still have a great season… COME ON YOU SAINTS!!!!!! jonnyP
  • Score: 64

7:14am Thu 3 Jul 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

Keep him hanging until the TRANSFER deadline , closes . No pre season games and training. NO WAGES !! And then after the transfer window closes , no chance to move . Play him at his own GAME
Keep him hanging until the TRANSFER deadline , closes . No pre season games and training. NO WAGES !! And then after the transfer window closes , no chance to move . Play him at his own GAME SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 188

7:18am Thu 3 Jul 14

SaintinCanada says...

How about "No-play, no pay".....?
How about "No-play, no pay".....? SaintinCanada
  • Score: 137

7:18am Thu 3 Jul 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

Keep him hanging until the TRANSFER deadline closes . No pre season games or training equal s no WAGES . Then after the TRANSFER window closes , he is STUCK IN CATCH 22 . Play him at his own game
Keep him hanging until the TRANSFER deadline closes . No pre season games or training equal s no WAGES . Then after the TRANSFER window closes , he is STUCK IN CATCH 22 . Play him at his own game SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 70

7:18am Thu 3 Jul 14

ulrichvangobbel says...

Oh dear, he's the one player we can't afford to let go. The difference in goals conceded since his arrival has been incredible and center back is the one position where we can't just roll another one off the production line. Get in a big brutal Dutchman like van gobbel. Second best ever saints player.
Oh dear, he's the one player we can't afford to let go. The difference in goals conceded since his arrival has been incredible and center back is the one position where we can't just roll another one off the production line. Get in a big brutal Dutchman like van gobbel. Second best ever saints player. ulrichvangobbel
  • Score: 21

7:18am Thu 3 Jul 14

saint christopher says...

IF true I think this situation will only confirm that the ultimate power lies now with players and agents and not their club or contract. Saints are not in a position where they can afford to make a player rot in the reserves for months with his value potentially diminishing by the day.

IF true then take the money, give his locker a good spray of disinfectant, and get in a good replacement pronto (the Celtic chappie would be a good place to start.
IF true I think this situation will only confirm that the ultimate power lies now with players and agents and not their club or contract. Saints are not in a position where they can afford to make a player rot in the reserves for months with his value potentially diminishing by the day. IF true then take the money, give his locker a good spray of disinfectant, and get in a good replacement pronto (the Celtic chappie would be a good place to start. saint christopher
  • Score: 36

7:18am Thu 3 Jul 14

Southampton boy says...

Just Spider-Man to go and then that will be every name I said would leave this summer, and I was told I was to negative, no I don't go around with my head in the sand like some seem to do, dening what we all know what going on. If Loven wants to go then let him use the £20m that everyone seem to be saying that has been offered.

Let's rebuild and move on
Just Spider-Man to go and then that will be every name I said would leave this summer, and I was told I was to negative, no I don't go around with my head in the sand like some seem to do, dening what we all know what going on. If Loven wants to go then let him use the £20m that everyone seem to be saying that has been offered. Let's rebuild and move on Southampton boy
  • Score: 14

7:20am Thu 3 Jul 14

SodburySaint93 says...

Well, if true, and there is a release clause of £20m then there it is.

At least we get a tidy profit.

How many more I wonder ?????
Well, if true, and there is a release clause of £20m then there it is. At least we get a tidy profit. How many more I wonder ????? SodburySaint93
  • Score: 14

7:21am Thu 3 Jul 14

Buddy SFC says...

So to all you all KL/LR smashers , how do you read this ??

Time to grow up and realise that the players and their agents have the control nowadays, if this is true then GET RID at top money and get some more quality players in.

Off all, DL was the one player I didn't want to lose and the hardest to replace but hopefully we have replacements in the wings, mind the boards strong stance suggests there is a lack of quality CBacks out there ???

This just goes to show , it doesn't matter who the Chairman is if the player wants out they will get their wish in the end !!
So to all you all KL/LR smashers , how do you read this ?? Time to grow up and realise that the players and their agents have the control nowadays, if this is true then GET RID at top money and get some more quality players in. Off all, DL was the one player I didn't want to lose and the hardest to replace but hopefully we have replacements in the wings, mind the boards strong stance suggests there is a lack of quality CBacks out there ??? This just goes to show , it doesn't matter who the Chairman is if the player wants out they will get their wish in the end !! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 30

7:25am Thu 3 Jul 14

Buddy SFC says...

SaintinCanada wrote:
How about "No-play, no pay".....?
Can't ...... Not in their contract , maximum 2 week wage fine ! Agents and the players sadly have the control ............Like MoPo Saints was just a stepping stone !

Sell him and then snap him first game of the season !
[quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: How about "No-play, no pay".....?[/p][/quote]Can't ...... Not in their contract , maximum 2 week wage fine ! Agents and the players sadly have the control ............Like MoPo Saints was just a stepping stone ! Sell him and then snap him first game of the season ! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 21

7:28am Thu 3 Jul 14

aceofthebase says...

If we have to start again then let's just get on with it. A couple of quality buys and decent players will be queueing at the door.. to get in!
If we have to start again then let's just get on with it. A couple of quality buys and decent players will be queueing at the door.. to get in! aceofthebase
  • Score: 13

7:30am Thu 3 Jul 14

Berkshire Saint says...

If Lovren goes then this will be a sad indictment of the new regime. I would like to see the board stand firm on at least one of our key players, I could just about tolerate 2 leaving but 4 would be ridiculous following our best season in 30 years. I love the optimism of our fans but we're talking about a completely new team taking the field in 6 weeks and there's no way we'll be ready in time.
If Lovren goes then this will be a sad indictment of the new regime. I would like to see the board stand firm on at least one of our key players, I could just about tolerate 2 leaving but 4 would be ridiculous following our best season in 30 years. I love the optimism of our fans but we're talking about a completely new team taking the field in 6 weeks and there's no way we'll be ready in time. Berkshire Saint
  • Score: 11

7:31am Thu 3 Jul 14

peregrine73 says...

We can't replace half the team overnight, even with money,players have to want to come to the side and with this turmoil it could be difficult.
A struggle to survive in the the premiership looks certain.
We can't replace half the team overnight, even with money,players have to want to come to the side and with this turmoil it could be difficult. A struggle to survive in the the premiership looks certain. peregrine73
  • Score: 14

7:32am Thu 3 Jul 14

SodburySaint93 says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
SaintinCanada wrote:
How about "No-play, no pay".....?
Can't ...... Not in their contract , maximum 2 week wage fine ! Agents and the players sadly have the control ............Like MoPo Saints was just a stepping stone !

Sell him and then snap him first game of the season !
Surely the contract says he has to attend training and be available for team selection.

Sorry DL, if the £20m has not been reached, you play for Saints - can't have it both ways.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: How about "No-play, no pay".....?[/p][/quote]Can't ...... Not in their contract , maximum 2 week wage fine ! Agents and the players sadly have the control ............Like MoPo Saints was just a stepping stone ! Sell him and then snap him first game of the season ![/p][/quote]Surely the contract says he has to attend training and be available for team selection. Sorry DL, if the £20m has not been reached, you play for Saints - can't have it both ways. SodburySaint93
  • Score: 19

7:33am Thu 3 Jul 14

John Smith34 says...

Wow, just wow. If true, the modern day footballer never ceases to disgust me. Don't sell him and then don't play him.
Wow, just wow. If true, the modern day footballer never ceases to disgust me. Don't sell him and then don't play him. John Smith34
  • Score: 49

7:42am Thu 3 Jul 14

St.Winch70 says...

I'm sure that Lovren will not have had the time to sit with Koeman. Post that meeting, if he still wants to go, then sell him for as much as we can. I will be sad to see him go as I think he's currently the best centre half in the league and will be a far greater loss than the three that have gone so far this close season.
I'm sure that Lovren will not have had the time to sit with Koeman. Post that meeting, if he still wants to go, then sell him for as much as we can. I will be sad to see him go as I think he's currently the best centre half in the league and will be a far greater loss than the three that have gone so far this close season. St.Winch70
  • Score: 15

7:43am Thu 3 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

7:46am Thu 3 Jul 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

I am the eternal optimist but this of Player action is sickening in the extreme.

I suppose he is saying that he is so much better than playing with the Saints, that his contract has no value and, quite literally, he is above the law.

We will survive his departure, of course but as all the poters say, he is absolutely not a player that we can afford to lose.

Does anyone know that the Saints are paying the going rates for our players.

I presume that we are not in a Club maximun wage policy but is this part of the problem ??

I would like the Club to live within its means unlike Chelsea with a debt of £958m, Man U. with a debt of £295m, Arsenal £93m and Liverpool with £114m - Saints have a debt at June 2013 of £19m.

I presume that as at today we must be virtually the only Club in the League which is debt free and still with some to spend.

Does anyone have better than a guess on whether are players are paid at much less than other Premier League Clubs??
I am the eternal optimist but this of Player action is sickening in the extreme. I suppose he is saying that he is so much better than playing with the Saints, that his contract has no value and, quite literally, he is above the law. We will survive his departure, of course but as all the poters say, he is absolutely not a player that we can afford to lose. Does anyone know that the Saints are paying the going rates for our players. I presume that we are not in a Club maximun wage policy but is this part of the problem ?? I would like the Club to live within its means unlike Chelsea with a debt of £958m, Man U. with a debt of £295m, Arsenal £93m and Liverpool with £114m - Saints have a debt at June 2013 of £19m. I presume that as at today we must be virtually the only Club in the League which is debt free and still with some to spend. Does anyone have better than a guess on whether are players are paid at much less than other Premier League Clubs?? Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 8

7:48am Thu 3 Jul 14

Micle1974 says...

Is there ANY point in these "players" signing contracts?
Might as well be "pay as you play"
Seems contracts are not worth the hard disk space they are taking up ( or the paper they are written on)
Is there ANY point in these "players" signing contracts? Might as well be "pay as you play" Seems contracts are not worth the hard disk space they are taking up ( or the paper they are written on) Micle1974
  • Score: 34

7:51am Thu 3 Jul 14

Saintade says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
But would you now believe ANYTHING the Board says after they have done a complete U-turn on all their promises about not selling players? And what about this rubbish about our scouts having a bucket list ready of players to bring in if we lose any - where are they then? I bet none of them were Dutch either until Koeman got here....I just don't have any confidence in the Board at all. If you look back at news reports on statements from the club, you'll see what I mean. Don't believe what you read!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]But would you now believe ANYTHING the Board says after they have done a complete U-turn on all their promises about not selling players? And what about this rubbish about our scouts having a bucket list ready of players to bring in if we lose any - where are they then? I bet none of them were Dutch either until Koeman got here....I just don't have any confidence in the Board at all. If you look back at news reports on statements from the club, you'll see what I mean. Don't believe what you read! Saintade
  • Score: -13

7:54am Thu 3 Jul 14

notaclue says...

SaintinCanada wrote:
How about "No-play, no pay".....?
Or sell for £25m and move on?
[quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: How about "No-play, no pay".....?[/p][/quote]Or sell for £25m and move on? notaclue
  • Score: 10

7:54am Thu 3 Jul 14

Golden_Salamander says...

Saints management have to draw a line soon.

If they "leak" to Sky Sports/ Daily Express that he will NOT be allowed to leave and then give way then ALL the players left will realise that Ralph & Co are a COMPLETE joke and there is no point them staying.

If he goes I would expect that the person who has UPSET the players i.e. Ralph to do the decent thing and RESIGN.

We cannot go from a club where the Chairman knows the players on a one-to-one basis (knows their partners & children names. ages. schools etc and generates a "family spirit") to a club where the Chairman "blanks the players" (refuses to answer text/ calls; refuses to discuss contracts etc) within 6 months without the Chairman offering his resignation if he gives in again.
Saints management have to draw a line soon. If they "leak" to Sky Sports/ Daily Express that he will NOT be allowed to leave and then give way then ALL the players left will realise that Ralph & Co are a COMPLETE joke and there is no point them staying. If he goes I would expect that the person who has UPSET the players i.e. Ralph to do the decent thing and RESIGN. We cannot go from a club where the Chairman knows the players on a one-to-one basis (knows their partners & children names. ages. schools etc and generates a "family spirit") to a club where the Chairman "blanks the players" (refuses to answer text/ calls; refuses to discuss contracts etc) within 6 months without the Chairman offering his resignation if he gives in again. Golden_Salamander
  • Score: -2

7:54am Thu 3 Jul 14

YellowRibbon says...

Well tell him he is no longer wanted as the name on the front is more important than the name on the back...in Koeman we trust!
Well tell him he is no longer wanted as the name on the front is more important than the name on the back...in Koeman we trust! YellowRibbon
  • Score: 19

7:55am Thu 3 Jul 14

sfranck says...

Cheer up. We still got Hooiveld - the slowest player in PL. League One - here we come................
Cheer up. We still got Hooiveld - the slowest player in PL. League One - here we come................ sfranck
  • Score: -30

7:56am Thu 3 Jul 14

Wagon painted says...

Maybe he should come out and say what has changed at board level to make the goal of champions league football unlikely now hence wishing to leave.Surely it wasn't NC And MP selling him the dream and now they've departed he can't see progression or does he think the new board are clowns
Maybe he should come out and say what has changed at board level to make the goal of champions league football unlikely now hence wishing to leave.Surely it wasn't NC And MP selling him the dream and now they've departed he can't see progression or does he think the new board are clowns Wagon painted
  • Score: 5

7:56am Thu 3 Jul 14

Berkshire Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
Yes I agree with this. It looks like the goals are changing. AL mentioned about moving to Liverpool because they have different targets but we're left to speculate on what our goals might be. Cortese's mission was how, not if, Saints could win the Premier League. I have heard Kruger mention European football remains the goal but this could be via a cup and not through league success.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]Yes I agree with this. It looks like the goals are changing. AL mentioned about moving to Liverpool because they have different targets but we're left to speculate on what our goals might be. Cortese's mission was how, not if, Saints could win the Premier League. I have heard Kruger mention European football remains the goal but this could be via a cup and not through league success. Berkshire Saint
  • Score: 4

7:56am Thu 3 Jul 14

fritzer says...

I did happen to note that the picture on the training ground first day back, looked a wee bit thin I counted seven players and three staff cant get much worse so this tells me that things will and must get better, be advised to take your footy boots with you to the next game.
All skylarking aside I wonder if this mass turnover of players (and staff) is a record for the premier league side that is not even being demoted, there is already three gone and possibly two or three more in line to go.
It is going to take a bit of magic for Ronny Koerman to mould a competitive unit together in time for the coming season, in regards to what ever they are paying him he has a mighty tough job ahead, I wish him all the luck that he can get and hope that there are a few big gems still available for that £100 million treasure chest. COYR
I did happen to note that the picture on the training ground first day back, looked a wee bit thin I counted seven players and three staff cant get much worse so this tells me that things will and must get better, be advised to take your footy boots with you to the next game. All skylarking aside I wonder if this mass turnover of players (and staff) is a record for the premier league side that is not even being demoted, there is already three gone and possibly two or three more in line to go. It is going to take a bit of magic for Ronny Koerman to mould a competitive unit together in time for the coming season, in regards to what ever they are paying him he has a mighty tough job ahead, I wish him all the luck that he can get and hope that there are a few big gems still available for that £100 million treasure chest. COYR fritzer
  • Score: 3

7:58am Thu 3 Jul 14

St.Winch70 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
He's not carried out this supposed tactic yet, but if he does then I agree, appalling. I would hope that Koeman has enough gravitas to ensure he doesn't take that action, and has a plan that can keep him here!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]He's not carried out this supposed tactic yet, but if he does then I agree, appalling. I would hope that Koeman has enough gravitas to ensure he doesn't take that action, and has a plan that can keep him here! St.Winch70
  • Score: 8

8:01am Thu 3 Jul 14

noodlesnewman says...

Micle1974 wrote:
Is there ANY point in these "players" signing contracts?
Might as well be "pay as you play"
Seems contracts are not worth the hard disk space they are taking up ( or the paper they are written on)
KEEP HIM , THEN LET IT ROT IN THE RESERVES , ! disgusting behaviour from a so called pro on astronomical wages compared to to most of us . UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES NO MORE OF OUR PLAYERS TO DIVERPOOL ! These contracts at the moment dont seem to be worth the paper they are printed on , something must be done about this ! NO SHOW LOV THEN NO PAY YOU SPOILT BRATT !
[quote][p][bold]Micle1974[/bold] wrote: Is there ANY point in these "players" signing contracts? Might as well be "pay as you play" Seems contracts are not worth the hard disk space they are taking up ( or the paper they are written on)[/p][/quote]KEEP HIM , THEN LET IT ROT IN THE RESERVES , ! disgusting behaviour from a so called pro on astronomical wages compared to to most of us . UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES NO MORE OF OUR PLAYERS TO DIVERPOOL ! These contracts at the moment dont seem to be worth the paper they are printed on , something must be done about this ! NO SHOW LOV THEN NO PAY YOU SPOILT BRATT ! noodlesnewman
  • Score: 23

8:03am Thu 3 Jul 14

pitbull says...

Yet another player who thinks he's too good for Saints.
Didn't he leave Lyon when they were in the Champions League? So much for ambition.
He was sold "the project" by the previous manager and chairman on the back of someone elses money.
The fact that the previous chairman had already amounted £25m debt on transfer fees plus the cost of the training facilities being doubled added to more debt.
If he was left to do his own thing we could have ended up in financial doo doo. Possibly ending up like the fishy lot down the road, or would Khatarina have dipped into her pocket to bail us out yet again.

It's time to clear out everything to do with the previous lot and start again, any of the players want out, sell them for the best possible price and move on.
I'm really getting sick of the poison lurking through St Mary's, dis-infect it and return to good health.
Yet another player who thinks he's too good for Saints. Didn't he leave Lyon when they were in the Champions League? So much for ambition. He was sold "the project" by the previous manager and chairman on the back of someone elses money. The fact that the previous chairman had already amounted £25m debt on transfer fees plus the cost of the training facilities being doubled added to more debt. If he was left to do his own thing we could have ended up in financial doo doo. Possibly ending up like the fishy lot down the road, or would Khatarina have dipped into her pocket to bail us out yet again. It's time to clear out everything to do with the previous lot and start again, any of the players want out, sell them for the best possible price and move on. I'm really getting sick of the poison lurking through St Mary's, dis-infect it and return to good health. pitbull
  • Score: 56

8:04am Thu 3 Jul 14

Ozmosis says...

THis is all getting depressingly familiar. How many more are going to try and quit? You signed a contract so how about honouring it?!?!
THis is all getting depressingly familiar. How many more are going to try and quit? You signed a contract so how about honouring it?!?! Ozmosis
  • Score: 18

8:05am Thu 3 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
SaintinCanada wrote:
How about "No-play, no pay".....?
Can't ...... Not in their contract , maximum 2 week wage fine ! Agents and the players sadly have the control ............Like MoPo Saints was just a stepping stone !

Sell him and then snap him first game of the season !
If he does not turn up for training then he is in breach of his contract so saints can stop his wages ,it the same as me or you not turning up for work I don't get paid simple.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: How about "No-play, no pay".....?[/p][/quote]Can't ...... Not in their contract , maximum 2 week wage fine ! Agents and the players sadly have the control ............Like MoPo Saints was just a stepping stone ! Sell him and then snap him first game of the season ![/p][/quote]If he does not turn up for training then he is in breach of his contract so saints can stop his wages ,it the same as me or you not turning up for work I don't get paid simple. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 28

8:07am Thu 3 Jul 14

Dan Howard says...

Lets face the facts

Lovren is going because he has made a formal transfer request unlike the three others who have gone who did not! What chance keeping him on that basis?

Schneiderlin is going.

And if Les Reed and Ronald Koeman haven't seen it coming and haven't already got plans A, B and C in place to cope, then I am Pope Francis III.

Take the Money.

With the best part of £80m to spend assuming they go as well, then we can buy half the Dutch World Cup squad and still have plenty left to buy Fratton for redevelopment as Mega Poundland, ensuring the uncommitted supporter from East Hants has one option for league football!

Simples.
Lets face the facts Lovren is going because he has made a formal transfer request unlike the three others who have gone who did not! What chance keeping him on that basis? Schneiderlin is going. And if Les Reed and Ronald Koeman haven't seen it coming and haven't already got plans A, B and C in place to cope, then I am Pope Francis III. Take the Money. With the best part of £80m to spend assuming they go as well, then we can buy half the Dutch World Cup squad and still have plenty left to buy Fratton for redevelopment as Mega Poundland, ensuring the uncommitted supporter from East Hants has one option for league football! Simples. Dan Howard
  • Score: 11

8:08am Thu 3 Jul 14

KSO16R says...

Shakes head in disgust. Its not the money its the egos. They actually believe they are the greatest! Arseholes . . Rich arseholes but arseholes nontheless
Shakes head in disgust. Its not the money its the egos. They actually believe they are the greatest! Arseholes . . Rich arseholes but arseholes nontheless KSO16R
  • Score: 32

8:09am Thu 3 Jul 14

alanrr says...

is it just about the wages.........person
ally let us live within our means , continue to be a producing of players club, hopefully stay in PL and buck the trend of buying success.......I support saints not leagues
is it just about the wages.........person ally let us live within our means , continue to be a producing of players club, hopefully stay in PL and buck the trend of buying success.......I support saints not leagues alanrr
  • Score: 15

8:12am Thu 3 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

he is sh1t anyway..... the most over-rated of all the "stars" except Dani..... get rid of the ar5ehole asap....
he is sh1t anyway..... the most over-rated of all the "stars" except Dani..... get rid of the ar5ehole asap.... steekeemcglue
  • Score: -11

8:14am Thu 3 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

pitbull wrote:
Yet another player who thinks he's too good for Saints.
Didn't he leave Lyon when they were in the Champions League? So much for ambition.
He was sold "the project" by the previous manager and chairman on the back of someone elses money.
The fact that the previous chairman had already amounted £25m debt on transfer fees plus the cost of the training facilities being doubled added to more debt.
If he was left to do his own thing we could have ended up in financial doo doo. Possibly ending up like the fishy lot down the road, or would Khatarina have dipped into her pocket to bail us out yet again.

It's time to clear out everything to do with the previous lot and start again, any of the players want out, sell them for the best possible price and move on.
I'm really getting sick of the poison lurking through St Mary's, dis-infect it and return to good health.
I think you might be right, out with the old in with the new, let's get some players in who want to wear the shirt, I am afraid money is spoiling the game of football.
[quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: Yet another player who thinks he's too good for Saints. Didn't he leave Lyon when they were in the Champions League? So much for ambition. He was sold "the project" by the previous manager and chairman on the back of someone elses money. The fact that the previous chairman had already amounted £25m debt on transfer fees plus the cost of the training facilities being doubled added to more debt. If he was left to do his own thing we could have ended up in financial doo doo. Possibly ending up like the fishy lot down the road, or would Khatarina have dipped into her pocket to bail us out yet again. It's time to clear out everything to do with the previous lot and start again, any of the players want out, sell them for the best possible price and move on. I'm really getting sick of the poison lurking through St Mary's, dis-infect it and return to good health.[/p][/quote]I think you might be right, out with the old in with the new, let's get some players in who want to wear the shirt, I am afraid money is spoiling the game of football. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 20

8:17am Thu 3 Jul 14

long memory says...

With every day that passes,I am getting more and more disalutioned with the self centred money grabbing mercenaries.they are beginning to make city bankers look very respectable people.
For the first time in my life,I am thinking of walking away from anything to do with football,it stinks,and I blame Murdoch for putting too much money into the game,thus producing unprecedented greed,and no I don't have Sky Sport,and never will,as it just encourages more greed.
With every day that passes,I am getting more and more disalutioned with the self centred money grabbing mercenaries.they are beginning to make city bankers look very respectable people. For the first time in my life,I am thinking of walking away from anything to do with football,it stinks,and I blame Murdoch for putting too much money into the game,thus producing unprecedented greed,and no I don't have Sky Sport,and never will,as it just encourages more greed. long memory
  • Score: 34

8:19am Thu 3 Jul 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Well it looks like the echo are the only one running this story so they must have their own sources then.
If he stays away then fine him his wages whilst away. As I understand it the club can fine him 2 weeks wages for every 2 weeks he refuses to turn up, not just the one fine. If it was just a one fine deal then he could stay away all season on full pay having had one 2 week fine, player simply cant do that! Carlos tevez refused to play for mancy and the club fined him for gross misconduct, which allows a bigger fine than the standard 2 weeks anyway, I think his fine was 4 weeks wages for not coming on as a sub.
I was also led to believe that he denied the transfer request on Croatian radio.
If Dejan was so desperate to play in the champions league, and we are told that this is his 'ambition', then why did he leave a team (Lyon) who had qualified for it? He could have stayed and played champs league there!
Are we to believe that diverpooh have offered £20mill for him then? Where did they come up with that figure for a player that cost £8.5mill a year ago, strange how their 'bid' matches the 'agreement' the club is supposed to have with him, its almost as if they knew about it, has captain sulk been trying to get his own back. If its an 'agreement' then its not a release clause and the new board don't have to honour it.
If he refuses to turn up he shouldn't be paid. He would only be able to play for his country if he stayed away and he had competition for his place anyway so he probably lose his starting place there.
Personally I would take a stand and tell him he isn't going anywhere and would receive a big fine if he didn't then up! The club can afford to stick him with the kids for a while, look at all the money thats just come in! He only has to play 10% of our competitive games a season to prevent him cancelling his contract so thats what 4 games? We could hold that off until the end of the season.
Well it looks like the echo are the only one running this story so they must have their own sources then. If he stays away then fine him his wages whilst away. As I understand it the club can fine him 2 weeks wages for every 2 weeks he refuses to turn up, not just the one fine. If it was just a one fine deal then he could stay away all season on full pay having had one 2 week fine, player simply cant do that! Carlos tevez refused to play for mancy and the club fined him for gross misconduct, which allows a bigger fine than the standard 2 weeks anyway, I think his fine was 4 weeks wages for not coming on as a sub. I was also led to believe that he denied the transfer request on Croatian radio. If Dejan was so desperate to play in the champions league, and we are told that this is his 'ambition', then why did he leave a team (Lyon) who had qualified for it? He could have stayed and played champs league there! Are we to believe that diverpooh have offered £20mill for him then? Where did they come up with that figure for a player that cost £8.5mill a year ago, strange how their 'bid' matches the 'agreement' the club is supposed to have with him, its almost as if they knew about it, has captain sulk been trying to get his own back. If its an 'agreement' then its not a release clause and the new board don't have to honour it. If he refuses to turn up he shouldn't be paid. He would only be able to play for his country if he stayed away and he had competition for his place anyway so he probably lose his starting place there. Personally I would take a stand and tell him he isn't going anywhere and would receive a big fine if he didn't then up! The club can afford to stick him with the kids for a while, look at all the money thats just come in! He only has to play 10% of our competitive games a season to prevent him cancelling his contract so thats what 4 games? We could hold that off until the end of the season. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 15

8:24am Thu 3 Jul 14

InsideOutCat says...

Golden_Salamander wrote:
Saints management have to draw a line soon.

If they "leak" to Sky Sports/ Daily Express that he will NOT be allowed to leave and then give way then ALL the players left will realise that Ralph & Co are a COMPLETE joke and there is no point them staying.

If he goes I would expect that the person who has UPSET the players i.e. Ralph to do the decent thing and RESIGN.

We cannot go from a club where the Chairman knows the players on a one-to-one basis (knows their partners & children names. ages. schools etc and generates a "family spirit") to a club where the Chairman "blanks the players" (refuses to answer text/ calls; refuses to discuss contracts etc) within 6 months without the Chairman offering his resignation if he gives in again.
Yes that's right Dejan. Take no notice of the nasty man who upset you by expecting you to honour the contract you signed. Nasty, nasty man.
[quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: Saints management have to draw a line soon. If they "leak" to Sky Sports/ Daily Express that he will NOT be allowed to leave and then give way then ALL the players left will realise that Ralph & Co are a COMPLETE joke and there is no point them staying. If he goes I would expect that the person who has UPSET the players i.e. Ralph to do the decent thing and RESIGN. We cannot go from a club where the Chairman knows the players on a one-to-one basis (knows their partners & children names. ages. schools etc and generates a "family spirit") to a club where the Chairman "blanks the players" (refuses to answer text/ calls; refuses to discuss contracts etc) within 6 months without the Chairman offering his resignation if he gives in again.[/p][/quote]Yes that's right Dejan. Take no notice of the nasty man who upset you by expecting you to honour the contract you signed. Nasty, nasty man. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 7

8:24am Thu 3 Jul 14

lowemustgo says...

Unfortunately player contracts are like every other employment contract which is that you cannot force someone to work for you if they don't want to! The best way forward is to split amicably, take the money. and move on. I am sure the RK knows that and is lining up replacements as we speak. yes its going to be difficult to mold a new team in time for the start of the season, just as we had to do when we got promoted. But you have to re-build from the bottom and we have the best academy in the land to start with. Give the young players the chance to shine.
Unfortunately player contracts are like every other employment contract which is that you cannot force someone to work for you if they don't want to! The best way forward is to split amicably, take the money. and move on. I am sure the RK knows that and is lining up replacements as we speak. yes its going to be difficult to mold a new team in time for the start of the season, just as we had to do when we got promoted. But you have to re-build from the bottom and we have the best academy in the land to start with. Give the young players the chance to shine. lowemustgo
  • Score: 1

8:28am Thu 3 Jul 14

Jesus_02 says...

SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
Keep him hanging until the TRANSFER deadline closes . No pre season games or training equal s no WAGES . Then after the TRANSFER window closes , he is STUCK IN CATCH 22 . Play him at his own game
Seems drastic, but I agree, the Club need to gain some sort of respect after Lallana. It will be costly but we have money and the clubs simply cant let more than 3 high profile players leave at once. If saints are not bigger than a foreign defender that we only signed last season then we are in serious trouble
[quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: Keep him hanging until the TRANSFER deadline closes . No pre season games or training equal s no WAGES . Then after the TRANSFER window closes , he is STUCK IN CATCH 22 . Play him at his own game[/p][/quote]Seems drastic, but I agree, the Club need to gain some sort of respect after Lallana. It will be costly but we have money and the clubs simply cant let more than 3 high profile players leave at once. If saints are not bigger than a foreign defender that we only signed last season then we are in serious trouble Jesus_02
  • Score: 15

8:30am Thu 3 Jul 14

saint dave says...

shame we need the money, we could have told them all there going nowhere, sat them on the bench, and then watch there international careers go down the toilet.
shame we need the money, we could have told them all there going nowhere, sat them on the bench, and then watch there international careers go down the toilet. saint dave
  • Score: -3

8:32am Thu 3 Jul 14

cotswoldsaint says...

If true, sounds a bit similar to AL's "I'll never play again for Southampton" threat". Who is advising these players? Their agents presumably but, further down the line, other interested parties, such as the club wanting to buy them perhaps? If it could be proven that one club was encouraging an individual to breach his contract with another, however indirectly, surely that would be in breach of some FIFA/FA rule? Maybe, it breaches employment law? It certainly would be unethical but, then again, ethical behaviour seems to have no place in football nowadays. If it did, Lovren would be honouring his contract and not seeking to force a move by failing to turn up for preseason training, if indeed that's what he plans to do. All in all, a sad indictment of the once beautiful game and those who think such behaviour is acceptable.
If true, sounds a bit similar to AL's "I'll never play again for Southampton" threat". Who is advising these players? Their agents presumably but, further down the line, other interested parties, such as the club wanting to buy them perhaps? If it could be proven that one club was encouraging an individual to breach his contract with another, however indirectly, surely that would be in breach of some FIFA/FA rule? Maybe, it breaches employment law? It certainly would be unethical but, then again, ethical behaviour seems to have no place in football nowadays. If it did, Lovren would be honouring his contract and not seeking to force a move by failing to turn up for preseason training, if indeed that's what he plans to do. All in all, a sad indictment of the once beautiful game and those who think such behaviour is acceptable. cotswoldsaint
  • Score: 10

8:33am Thu 3 Jul 14

Crossley Place Saint says...

YellowRibbon wrote:
Well tell him he is no longer wanted as the name on the front is more important than the name on the back...in Koeman we trust!
? The name on the front of our shirts this season is "Veho" (or "VeWho", as Seed as nicknamed them).

Can we get Guly, Billy Sharp and Vegard Forren back? At least they wanted to be here, and the likes of Liverpool will not try to take them from us.
[quote][p][bold]YellowRibbon[/bold] wrote: Well tell him he is no longer wanted as the name on the front is more important than the name on the back...in Koeman we trust![/p][/quote]? The name on the front of our shirts this season is "Veho" (or "VeWho", as Seed as nicknamed them). Can we get Guly, Billy Sharp and Vegard Forren back? At least they wanted to be here, and the likes of Liverpool will not try to take them from us. Crossley Place Saint
  • Score: 3

8:33am Thu 3 Jul 14

Sainty saint saint says...

If I was Les Reed I'd be working very hard behind the scenes to ensure that if we do sell Lovren then it is NOT to Liverpool.

Sell him abroad, Christ, sell him to pretty much any other Premier League team, but please don't sell to Liverpool. They are quite literally a bunch of c***s.
If I was Les Reed I'd be working very hard behind the scenes to ensure that if we do sell Lovren then it is NOT to Liverpool. Sell him abroad, Christ, sell him to pretty much any other Premier League team, but please don't sell to Liverpool. They are quite literally a bunch of c***s. Sainty saint saint
  • Score: 27

8:36am Thu 3 Jul 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

could everyone calm down?

yes it is very annoying that the brilliant team we had last season has been wrecked, but the club remains. Not only that the new manager clearly knows what he wants and the club are clearly out there signing players.

focus on the positives and don't react emotionally to what is happening.
We'll still be in the PL next season and we'll still be causing a few upsets like we always have.
could everyone calm down? yes it is very annoying that the brilliant team we had last season has been wrecked, but the club remains. Not only that the new manager clearly knows what he wants and the club are clearly out there signing players. focus on the positives and don't react emotionally to what is happening. We'll still be in the PL next season and we'll still be causing a few upsets like we always have. Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 1

8:39am Thu 3 Jul 14

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH says...

In the space of a couple of months we have become a doormat for everyone. What is going on?
In the space of a couple of months we have become a doormat for everyone. What is going on? SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH
  • Score: 19

8:40am Thu 3 Jul 14

SodburySaint93 says...

lowemustgo wrote:
Unfortunately player contracts are like every other employment contract which is that you cannot force someone to work for you if they don't want to! The best way forward is to split amicably, take the money. and move on. I am sure the RK knows that and is lining up replacements as we speak. yes its going to be difficult to mold a new team in time for the start of the season, just as we had to do when we got promoted. But you have to re-build from the bottom and we have the best academy in the land to start with. Give the young players the chance to shine.
We appear to have a great coaching/manager set up and an excellent academy - Saints want-a-way world cup cartel may think that going to Brazil suddenly makes them more worthy than what they are. Well, sorry, you did'nt exactly show that, hence early exit (except Morgan) or was it get back quick so we don't get forgotten in the transfer market.

If we are to field what's left and academy graduates then we may struggle a bit - I seem to remember someone saying you can't win anything with kids !

Let's see if we can prove them wrong !!!

COYS
[quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately player contracts are like every other employment contract which is that you cannot force someone to work for you if they don't want to! The best way forward is to split amicably, take the money. and move on. I am sure the RK knows that and is lining up replacements as we speak. yes its going to be difficult to mold a new team in time for the start of the season, just as we had to do when we got promoted. But you have to re-build from the bottom and we have the best academy in the land to start with. Give the young players the chance to shine.[/p][/quote]We appear to have a great coaching/manager set up and an excellent academy - Saints want-a-way world cup cartel may think that going to Brazil suddenly makes them more worthy than what they are. Well, sorry, you did'nt exactly show that, hence early exit (except Morgan) or was it get back quick so we don't get forgotten in the transfer market. If we are to field what's left and academy graduates then we may struggle a bit - I seem to remember someone saying you can't win anything with kids ! Let's see if we can prove them wrong !!! COYS SodburySaint93
  • Score: 6

8:41am Thu 3 Jul 14

Chipmonk1 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support. Chipmonk1
  • Score: 24

8:44am Thu 3 Jul 14

Mush On The Beach says...

Mutiny on the Bounty, I hope Captain Ron Bligh is good at navigation.
Keelhauling should never have been abolished for such cases of disloyal vermin.
As the story goes, justice will eventually be served to the lily livered wretches.
Mutiny on the Bounty, I hope Captain Ron Bligh is good at navigation. Keelhauling should never have been abolished for such cases of disloyal vermin. As the story goes, justice will eventually be served to the lily livered wretches. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 16

8:50am Thu 3 Jul 14

IOAD says...

The Stone Roses were kept out of the recording studio for years by their record company. Saints want some of that Silvertone spirit, and make this man twiddle his thumbs for the next few years. That'll learn him!
The Stone Roses were kept out of the recording studio for years by their record company. Saints want some of that Silvertone spirit, and make this man twiddle his thumbs for the next few years. That'll learn him! IOAD
  • Score: 9

8:52am Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

saint christopher wrote:
IF true I think this situation will only confirm that the ultimate power lies now with players and agents and not their club or contract. Saints are not in a position where they can afford to make a player rot in the reserves for months with his value potentially diminishing by the day.

IF true then take the money, give his locker a good spray of disinfectant, and get in a good replacement pronto (the Celtic chappie would be a good place to start.
Manure are after him so don't fancy our chances there.
[quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: IF true I think this situation will only confirm that the ultimate power lies now with players and agents and not their club or contract. Saints are not in a position where they can afford to make a player rot in the reserves for months with his value potentially diminishing by the day. IF true then take the money, give his locker a good spray of disinfectant, and get in a good replacement pronto (the Celtic chappie would be a good place to start.[/p][/quote]Manure are after him so don't fancy our chances there. jls217
  • Score: -3

8:54am Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
SaintinCanada wrote:
How about "No-play, no pay".....?
Can't ...... Not in their contract , maximum 2 week wage fine ! Agents and the players sadly have the control ............Like MoPo Saints was just a stepping stone !

Sell him and then snap him first game of the season !
Not a problem every 2 weeks issue him another order to turn up for training. If he refuses fine him another 2 weeks. However if we can get 20m we should take it.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: How about "No-play, no pay".....?[/p][/quote]Can't ...... Not in their contract , maximum 2 week wage fine ! Agents and the players sadly have the control ............Like MoPo Saints was just a stepping stone ! Sell him and then snap him first game of the season ![/p][/quote]Not a problem every 2 weeks issue him another order to turn up for training. If he refuses fine him another 2 weeks. However if we can get 20m we should take it. jls217
  • Score: 6

8:55am Thu 3 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

++++CURRENT VALUATION £25-£30 MILLION TO BARCA +++++

Have we got SURPLUS FUNDS to get another CB in and play HARDBALL with LOVREN. COYR
++++CURRENT VALUATION £25-£30 MILLION TO BARCA +++++ Have we got SURPLUS FUNDS to get another CB in and play HARDBALL with LOVREN. COYR The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 5

8:56am Thu 3 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
SaintinCanada wrote:
How about "No-play, no pay".....?
Can't ...... Not in their contract , maximum 2 week wage fine ! Agents and the players sadly have the control ............Like MoPo Saints was just a stepping stone !

Sell him and then snap him first game of the season !
So you are saying the most we can fine him is 2 weeks pay. I'd have to say that is rubbish. We fine him two weeks pay for failing to turn up in those two weeks and then if he fail to turn up after that we apply the same treatment again and again. If what you say is true a player could sign a 5 year contract, take 2 week fine, and then have 4 years and 50 weeks off on full pay. I don't think so.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: How about "No-play, no pay".....?[/p][/quote]Can't ...... Not in their contract , maximum 2 week wage fine ! Agents and the players sadly have the control ............Like MoPo Saints was just a stepping stone ! Sell him and then snap him first game of the season ![/p][/quote]So you are saying the most we can fine him is 2 weeks pay. I'd have to say that is rubbish. We fine him two weeks pay for failing to turn up in those two weeks and then if he fail to turn up after that we apply the same treatment again and again. If what you say is true a player could sign a 5 year contract, take 2 week fine, and then have 4 years and 50 weeks off on full pay. I don't think so. Clever Dick
  • Score: 6

8:56am Thu 3 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

Yes the players are a greedy buch of barstewards incited by mercenary wages and the Corporate global brand clubs who buy success….however we had appeared under NC to have offered something, a vision a togetherness a chance of forcing ourselves onto the scene….

Whatever the rights and wrongs clearly the board have not demonstrated the same vision..

.. smaller growing companies in all industries have to fend of predatory approaches for their staff and sevices everyday yet some do make it and the owners are adept at keeping staff happy and pinting a big picture and sharing the rewards along the way…"this is clearly NOT happening".

Staying as a 30.000 club will mean this continual 'also ran' fate will await us for the rest of our lives.

Yet it does not have to be this way.

Global sponsership….Amex stadium anyone (bigger than us next year)

A magnificent stadium with the start of a metro system linking the docks to the station and city…vision!

Manchester is a sensational city in no small part to it's metro..road jams are in the centre non existent make the city pleasent and more people will come.

A loss leader policy on under 12's fill the ground every game.

Loyalty Share offerings to players and management over an 8 year building period.

Players leaving Southampton will a t present be offered a 100k week maximum..the 250k a week only happens when they have already proven at one of Europes elite (sic) clubs…..therefore up our max to 75k it is near enough for any of those with a sense of decency and family life here (wifes think of things other than just money) to not bother with the upheaval.

A guaranteed pension for an ambassadorial role eliminating the fear factor of short playing careers for lifetime service…

Articulate our beliefs and desires to the kids and recruits from day one.

Educate via regional advertising the importanvce of being a SOUTHerner means supporting SOUTHampton….creat a Bilbao effect.

This is not as simple as just greedy players, agents or possibly a greedy board…it is about a root and branch philosophy and city, south interaction.
Yes the players are a greedy buch of barstewards incited by mercenary wages and the Corporate global brand clubs who buy success….however we had appeared under NC to have offered something, a vision a togetherness a chance of forcing ourselves onto the scene…. Whatever the rights and wrongs clearly the board have not demonstrated the same vision.. .. smaller growing companies in all industries have to fend of predatory approaches for their staff and sevices everyday yet some do make it and the owners are adept at keeping staff happy and pinting a big picture and sharing the rewards along the way…"this is clearly NOT happening". Staying as a 30.000 club will mean this continual 'also ran' fate will await us for the rest of our lives. Yet it does not have to be this way. Global sponsership….Amex stadium anyone (bigger than us next year) A magnificent stadium with the start of a metro system linking the docks to the station and city…vision! Manchester is a sensational city in no small part to it's metro..road jams are in the centre non existent make the city pleasent and more people will come. A loss leader policy on under 12's fill the ground every game. Loyalty Share offerings to players and management over an 8 year building period. Players leaving Southampton will a t present be offered a 100k week maximum..the 250k a week only happens when they have already proven at one of Europes elite (sic) clubs…..therefore up our max to 75k it is near enough for any of those with a sense of decency and family life here (wifes think of things other than just money) to not bother with the upheaval. A guaranteed pension for an ambassadorial role eliminating the fear factor of short playing careers for lifetime service… Articulate our beliefs and desires to the kids and recruits from day one. Educate via regional advertising the importanvce of being a SOUTHerner means supporting SOUTHampton….creat a Bilbao effect. This is not as simple as just greedy players, agents or possibly a greedy board…it is about a root and branch philosophy and city, south interaction. warrens 76
  • Score: 20

8:57am Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Southampton boy wrote:
Just Spider-Man to go and then that will be every name I said would leave this summer, and I was told I was to negative, no I don't go around with my head in the sand like some seem to do, dening what we all know what going on. If Loven wants to go then let him use the £20m that everyone seem to be saying that has been offered.

Let's rebuild and move on
Spiderman and Clyne were the best of the bunch anyway - no hints from either camp yet that they are wanting to go - so far!
[quote][p][bold]Southampton boy[/bold] wrote: Just Spider-Man to go and then that will be every name I said would leave this summer, and I was told I was to negative, no I don't go around with my head in the sand like some seem to do, dening what we all know what going on. If Loven wants to go then let him use the £20m that everyone seem to be saying that has been offered. Let's rebuild and move on[/p][/quote]Spiderman and Clyne were the best of the bunch anyway - no hints from either camp yet that they are wanting to go - so far! jls217
  • Score: 5

8:59am Thu 3 Jul 14

richard903 says...

So what was this big project they were all sold on? and what details have changed? I would think on CV alone we are paying RK more than MP was getting. He was (acording to press reports) given a large war chest by KL to improve the squad, before the exodus ! The only thing that seems to have changed is that the mercenarys have all dived over board. I feel sure one of you will know the details, please help me to understand!
So what was this big project they were all sold on? and what details have changed? I would think on CV alone we are paying RK more than MP was getting. He was (acording to press reports) given a large war chest by KL to improve the squad, before the exodus ! The only thing that seems to have changed is that the mercenarys have all dived over board. I feel sure one of you will know the details, please help me to understand! richard903
  • Score: 3

8:59am Thu 3 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Chipmonk1 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.
Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners.

The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club.

The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.
[quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.[/p][/quote]Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners. The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club. The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 10

9:02am Thu 3 Jul 14

saints80 says...

Couldn't agree more with other comments. Surely by not turning up for training he is breaching his contract and if so, don't pay him his over inflated wages. He is on par with kenwyne jones and look what happened to him after he left saints. DL was nothing special at lyon and did not have a great season before he left. He did have a good season with us but that was the same for the rest of the team.
Couldn't agree more with other comments. Surely by not turning up for training he is breaching his contract and if so, don't pay him his over inflated wages. He is on par with kenwyne jones and look what happened to him after he left saints. DL was nothing special at lyon and did not have a great season before he left. He did have a good season with us but that was the same for the rest of the team. saints80
  • Score: 5

9:05am Thu 3 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Yes the players are a greedy buch of barstewards incited by mercenary wages and the Corporate global brand clubs who buy success….however we had appeared under NC to have offered something, a vision a togetherness a chance of forcing ourselves onto the scene….

Whatever the rights and wrongs clearly the board have not demonstrated the same vision..

.. smaller growing companies in all industries have to fend of predatory approaches for their staff and sevices everyday yet some do make it and the owners are adept at keeping staff happy and pinting a big picture and sharing the rewards along the way…"this is clearly NOT happening".

Staying as a 30.000 club will mean this continual 'also ran' fate will await us for the rest of our lives.

Yet it does not have to be this way.

Global sponsership….Amex stadium anyone (bigger than us next year)

A magnificent stadium with the start of a metro system linking the docks to the station and city…vision!

Manchester is a sensational city in no small part to it's metro..road jams are in the centre non existent make the city pleasent and more people will come.

A loss leader policy on under 12's fill the ground every game.

Loyalty Share offerings to players and management over an 8 year building period.

Players leaving Southampton will a t present be offered a 100k week maximum..the 250k a week only happens when they have already proven at one of Europes elite (sic) clubs…..therefore up our max to 75k it is near enough for any of those with a sense of decency and family life here (wifes think of things other than just money) to not bother with the upheaval.

A guaranteed pension for an ambassadorial role eliminating the fear factor of short playing careers for lifetime service…

Articulate our beliefs and desires to the kids and recruits from day one.

Educate via regional advertising the importanvce of being a SOUTHerner means supporting SOUTHampton….creat a Bilbao effect.

This is not as simple as just greedy players, agents or possibly a greedy board…it is about a root and branch philosophy and city, south interaction.
Yep. But instead of going down the road of global branding Ralph has preferred to do a sponsorship deal with Veho, a company so small they do not have to disclose detailed accounts at Companies House.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Yes the players are a greedy buch of barstewards incited by mercenary wages and the Corporate global brand clubs who buy success….however we had appeared under NC to have offered something, a vision a togetherness a chance of forcing ourselves onto the scene…. Whatever the rights and wrongs clearly the board have not demonstrated the same vision.. .. smaller growing companies in all industries have to fend of predatory approaches for their staff and sevices everyday yet some do make it and the owners are adept at keeping staff happy and pinting a big picture and sharing the rewards along the way…"this is clearly NOT happening". Staying as a 30.000 club will mean this continual 'also ran' fate will await us for the rest of our lives. Yet it does not have to be this way. Global sponsership….Amex stadium anyone (bigger than us next year) A magnificent stadium with the start of a metro system linking the docks to the station and city…vision! Manchester is a sensational city in no small part to it's metro..road jams are in the centre non existent make the city pleasent and more people will come. A loss leader policy on under 12's fill the ground every game. Loyalty Share offerings to players and management over an 8 year building period. Players leaving Southampton will a t present be offered a 100k week maximum..the 250k a week only happens when they have already proven at one of Europes elite (sic) clubs…..therefore up our max to 75k it is near enough for any of those with a sense of decency and family life here (wifes think of things other than just money) to not bother with the upheaval. A guaranteed pension for an ambassadorial role eliminating the fear factor of short playing careers for lifetime service… Articulate our beliefs and desires to the kids and recruits from day one. Educate via regional advertising the importanvce of being a SOUTHerner means supporting SOUTHampton….creat a Bilbao effect. This is not as simple as just greedy players, agents or possibly a greedy board…it is about a root and branch philosophy and city, south interaction.[/p][/quote]Yep. But instead of going down the road of global branding Ralph has preferred to do a sponsorship deal with Veho, a company so small they do not have to disclose detailed accounts at Companies House. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

9:06am Thu 3 Jul 14

miltonnroad76 says...

If its true let him rot in reserves..he is the player that will be hardest to replace
If its true let him rot in reserves..he is the player that will be hardest to replace miltonnroad76
  • Score: 4

9:07am Thu 3 Jul 14

Jan28th1984 says...

Easy one this. He doesn't want to play for Saints?

Fine. He doesn't play.

He also doesn't go anywhere until his contract expires and the club sues him for breach of contract.
Easy one this. He doesn't want to play for Saints? Fine. He doesn't play. He also doesn't go anywhere until his contract expires and the club sues him for breach of contract. Jan28th1984
  • Score: 9

9:07am Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
pitbull wrote:
Yet another player who thinks he's too good for Saints.
Didn't he leave Lyon when they were in the Champions League? So much for ambition.
He was sold "the project" by the previous manager and chairman on the back of someone elses money.
The fact that the previous chairman had already amounted £25m debt on transfer fees plus the cost of the training facilities being doubled added to more debt.
If he was left to do his own thing we could have ended up in financial doo doo. Possibly ending up like the fishy lot down the road, or would Khatarina have dipped into her pocket to bail us out yet again.

It's time to clear out everything to do with the previous lot and start again, any of the players want out, sell them for the best possible price and move on.
I'm really getting sick of the poison lurking through St Mary's, dis-infect it and return to good health.
I think you might be right, out with the old in with the new, let's get some players in who want to wear the shirt, I am afraid money is spoiling the game of football.
Rare indeed will be a player nowadays who will want to wear the shirt.
Unless of course you are one of the top 4/5 vying for the top spots year in year out - then you will have no problems.

If Saints could up the wages we might stand a chance but to do that we would need to add 20k seats to the stadium - each one of those seats would cost £3k plus to build (if we could be assured of planning and if the current area could be redeveloped to that size - and it's already a bit of a tight fit) It might even be cheaper to knock it down and start again. If we got the pricing right I think we'd fill it but at the current pricing I doubt we'd ever get 20k season ticket buyers and we'd need to be looking at roughly that to make it a viable option.
A bit of a catch 22 really.
This means any club in the bottom two thirds of the PL could never progress as any English player who shows promise would be snapped up by the top clubs who just tap the players agent and the player is gone and any exceptional foreign player likewise.
The FA and the league need to look at this problem and get their heads together to stop this practice and very quickly or the PL just becomes a mockery of a league.
A Euro league could be the answer - but you can guarantee your best players would be taken from you every season and there would be no point having contracts. Football is not the fun game it used to be, it has been ruined by money. Jimmy Hill has a lot to answer for.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: Yet another player who thinks he's too good for Saints. Didn't he leave Lyon when they were in the Champions League? So much for ambition. He was sold "the project" by the previous manager and chairman on the back of someone elses money. The fact that the previous chairman had already amounted £25m debt on transfer fees plus the cost of the training facilities being doubled added to more debt. If he was left to do his own thing we could have ended up in financial doo doo. Possibly ending up like the fishy lot down the road, or would Khatarina have dipped into her pocket to bail us out yet again. It's time to clear out everything to do with the previous lot and start again, any of the players want out, sell them for the best possible price and move on. I'm really getting sick of the poison lurking through St Mary's, dis-infect it and return to good health.[/p][/quote]I think you might be right, out with the old in with the new, let's get some players in who want to wear the shirt, I am afraid money is spoiling the game of football.[/p][/quote]Rare indeed will be a player nowadays who will want to wear the shirt. Unless of course you are one of the top 4/5 vying for the top spots year in year out - then you will have no problems. If Saints could up the wages we might stand a chance but to do that we would need to add 20k seats to the stadium - each one of those seats would cost £3k plus to build (if we could be assured of planning and if the current area could be redeveloped to that size - and it's already a bit of a tight fit) It might even be cheaper to knock it down and start again. If we got the pricing right I think we'd fill it but at the current pricing I doubt we'd ever get 20k season ticket buyers and we'd need to be looking at roughly that to make it a viable option. A bit of a catch 22 really. This means any club in the bottom two thirds of the PL could never progress as any English player who shows promise would be snapped up by the top clubs who just tap the players agent and the player is gone and any exceptional foreign player likewise. The FA and the league need to look at this problem and get their heads together to stop this practice and very quickly or the PL just becomes a mockery of a league. A Euro league could be the answer - but you can guarantee your best players would be taken from you every season and there would be no point having contracts. Football is not the fun game it used to be, it has been ruined by money. Jimmy Hill has a lot to answer for. jls217
  • Score: 5

9:09am Thu 3 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

Proving yet again that players hold all the aces when they want to default on their contracts.

"let him rot in the reserves" I hear you shout.... impossible, the club would not allow this to happen for the obvious financial reasons and the players representatives would find a legal loophole to prevent.

"But he signed a contract"......long contracts are in place so that the clubs can cash in on an unhappy player, the length of the contract is irrelevant to the player. Very few players ever see out a contract, they either move or an extended/improved contract is signed. Obviously there are a small amount of players that move on a Bosman.

"Stop paying him".... agents/lawyers put so many clauses into players contracts that any attempt to stop his wages would be futile.

Solution is to let him go for as much as possible and hope that we can find a player as good for half the money and relatively low wages.
Proving yet again that players hold all the aces when they want to default on their contracts. "let him rot in the reserves" I hear you shout.... impossible, the club would not allow this to happen for the obvious financial reasons and the players representatives would find a legal loophole to prevent. "But he signed a contract"......long contracts are in place so that the clubs can cash in on an unhappy player, the length of the contract is irrelevant to the player. Very few players ever see out a contract, they either move or an extended/improved contract is signed. Obviously there are a small amount of players that move on a Bosman. "Stop paying him".... agents/lawyers put so many clauses into players contracts that any attempt to stop his wages would be futile. Solution is to let him go for as much as possible and hope that we can find a player as good for half the money and relatively low wages. costa gaz
  • Score: 2

9:09am Thu 3 Jul 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

Get rid as soon as possible, all this crap about no longer have ambitions for the CL is just b*llsh1t, we were never geared up for CL no matter who's in charge, its a goal yes, but come on lets be realistic, top 8 and two good cup runs at best, if we win one, which under MP wasnt going to happen as he played weakened teams in both games VS Sunderland and was tactically inept, we can reach European football that way.
These players that have now left or are about to, sod off and get out of our club, you're not wanted or required, bring the youth through, invest the multi millions that we are now receiving back in to the team, grow bigger and stronger over the next 2-3 seasons and push on up the League with players here who want to play and be successful with us, and make sure we do it the SOUTHAMPTON way!
COYS
Get rid as soon as possible, all this crap about no longer have ambitions for the CL is just b*llsh1t, we were never geared up for CL no matter who's in charge, its a goal yes, but come on lets be realistic, top 8 and two good cup runs at best, if we win one, which under MP wasnt going to happen as he played weakened teams in both games VS Sunderland and was tactically inept, we can reach European football that way. These players that have now left or are about to, sod off and get out of our club, you're not wanted or required, bring the youth through, invest the multi millions that we are now receiving back in to the team, grow bigger and stronger over the next 2-3 seasons and push on up the League with players here who want to play and be successful with us, and make sure we do it the SOUTHAMPTON way! COYS SaintAsh1964
  • Score: 7

9:10am Thu 3 Jul 14

killared says...

I'd say take the money and invest on somebody with heart and Loyalty . I remember when he used to play for Lyon in France the guy was really awful Jean Michel Aulas Lyon Chairman even laugh at us when we bought him for 8.5 million !
I'd say take the money and invest on somebody with heart and Loyalty . I remember when he used to play for Lyon in France the guy was really awful Jean Michel Aulas Lyon Chairman even laugh at us when we bought him for 8.5 million ! killared
  • Score: 1

9:10am Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

aceofthebase wrote:
If we have to start again then let's just get on with it. A couple of quality buys and decent players will be queueing at the door.. to get in!
Until this time next season. Someone at the very heart of football has to stamp this out or there is just no point building teams.

Football will implode eventually - greed has won.
[quote][p][bold]aceofthebase[/bold] wrote: If we have to start again then let's just get on with it. A couple of quality buys and decent players will be queueing at the door.. to get in![/p][/quote]Until this time next season. Someone at the very heart of football has to stamp this out or there is just no point building teams. Football will implode eventually - greed has won. jls217
  • Score: 6

9:11am Thu 3 Jul 14

aldermoorboy says...

We will have a great season with players that want to be here.
We will have a great season with players that want to be here. aldermoorboy
  • Score: 6

9:14am Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
I'm sure that Lovren will not have had the time to sit with Koeman. Post that meeting, if he still wants to go, then sell him for as much as we can. I will be sad to see him go as I think he's currently the best centre half in the league and will be a far greater loss than the three that have gone so far this close season.
That's the problem though mate - he's refusing (so far) to return to the club to allow any sort of meeting to take place. A couple of heavies at his door with a black and decker might convince him he's made a silly choice but what else can the club do except sell him if the £20m price tag is met.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: I'm sure that Lovren will not have had the time to sit with Koeman. Post that meeting, if he still wants to go, then sell him for as much as we can. I will be sad to see him go as I think he's currently the best centre half in the league and will be a far greater loss than the three that have gone so far this close season.[/p][/quote]That's the problem though mate - he's refusing (so far) to return to the club to allow any sort of meeting to take place. A couple of heavies at his door with a black and decker might convince him he's made a silly choice but what else can the club do except sell him if the £20m price tag is met. jls217
  • Score: 2

9:14am Thu 3 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

killared wrote:
I'd say take the money and invest on somebody with heart and Loyalty . I remember when he used to play for Lyon in France the guy was really awful Jean Michel Aulas Lyon Chairman even laugh at us when we bought him for 8.5 million !
The player I watched last season was outstanding.
[quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: I'd say take the money and invest on somebody with heart and Loyalty . I remember when he used to play for Lyon in France the guy was really awful Jean Michel Aulas Lyon Chairman even laugh at us when we bought him for 8.5 million ![/p][/quote]The player I watched last season was outstanding. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

9:15am Thu 3 Jul 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
Keep him hanging until the TRANSFER deadline , closes . No pre season games and training. NO WAGES !! And then after the transfer window closes , no chance to move . Play him at his own GAME
We need to send a message, not just to Lovren, but to all players that think we are fools. This is not just about Lovren.

But in the Lovren case, if he wants to move and Liverpool can't match what we think he is worth, let the player pay the difference out of his own bulging pockets!
[quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: Keep him hanging until the TRANSFER deadline , closes . No pre season games and training. NO WAGES !! And then after the transfer window closes , no chance to move . Play him at his own GAME[/p][/quote]We need to send a message, not just to Lovren, but to all players that think we are fools. This is not just about Lovren. But in the Lovren case, if he wants to move and Liverpool can't match what we think he is worth, let the player pay the difference out of his own bulging pockets! BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 3

9:18am Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

alanrr wrote:
is it just about the wages.........person

ally let us live within our means , continue to be a producing of players club, hopefully stay in PL and buck the trend of buying success.......I support saints not leagues
The very notion of a successful league is where all participants have at least a chance to make it to the top without their own success at building their teams being the very thing which condemns them to the also rans every single year. We end up with a league like Germany where there is only one club and all good domestic players end up with them whenever they snap their fingers for him. Is that really what we want here? The system, as it currently stands, has been defeated by greed and it's going to take a very strong leadership to put the genie back in the bottle because 4/5 owners will throw billions at this to make sure their status quo is not going to shaken by the Southamptons of the world who might come along and give them a scare.
[quote][p][bold]alanrr[/bold] wrote: is it just about the wages.........person ally let us live within our means , continue to be a producing of players club, hopefully stay in PL and buck the trend of buying success.......I support saints not leagues[/p][/quote]The very notion of a successful league is where all participants have at least a chance to make it to the top without their own success at building their teams being the very thing which condemns them to the also rans every single year. We end up with a league like Germany where there is only one club and all good domestic players end up with them whenever they snap their fingers for him. Is that really what we want here? The system, as it currently stands, has been defeated by greed and it's going to take a very strong leadership to put the genie back in the bottle because 4/5 owners will throw billions at this to make sure their status quo is not going to shaken by the Southamptons of the world who might come along and give them a scare. jls217
  • Score: 7

9:19am Thu 3 Jul 14

St.Winch70 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Yes the players are a greedy buch of barstewards incited by mercenary wages and the Corporate global brand clubs who buy success….however we had appeared under NC to have offered something, a vision a togetherness a chance of forcing ourselves onto the scene….

Whatever the rights and wrongs clearly the board have not demonstrated the same vision..

.. smaller growing companies in all industries have to fend of predatory approaches for their staff and sevices everyday yet some do make it and the owners are adept at keeping staff happy and pinting a big picture and sharing the rewards along the way…"this is clearly NOT happening".

Staying as a 30.000 club will mean this continual 'also ran' fate will await us for the rest of our lives.

Yet it does not have to be this way.

Global sponsership….Amex stadium anyone (bigger than us next year)

A magnificent stadium with the start of a metro system linking the docks to the station and city…vision!

Manchester is a sensational city in no small part to it's metro..road jams are in the centre non existent make the city pleasent and more people will come.

A loss leader policy on under 12's fill the ground every game.

Loyalty Share offerings to players and management over an 8 year building period.

Players leaving Southampton will a t present be offered a 100k week maximum..the 250k a week only happens when they have already proven at one of Europes elite (sic) clubs…..therefore up our max to 75k it is near enough for any of those with a sense of decency and family life here (wifes think of things other than just money) to not bother with the upheaval.

A guaranteed pension for an ambassadorial role eliminating the fear factor of short playing careers for lifetime service…

Articulate our beliefs and desires to the kids and recruits from day one.

Educate via regional advertising the importanvce of being a SOUTHerner means supporting SOUTHampton….creat a Bilbao effect.

This is not as simple as just greedy players, agents or possibly a greedy board…it is about a root and branch philosophy and city, south interaction.
Sounds wonderful. Totally reliant on joined up thinking between councils responsible for the infrastructure and a visionary board.....do we have either? Remember the farcical process of identifying and securing a new site pre St.Marys....?
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Yes the players are a greedy buch of barstewards incited by mercenary wages and the Corporate global brand clubs who buy success….however we had appeared under NC to have offered something, a vision a togetherness a chance of forcing ourselves onto the scene…. Whatever the rights and wrongs clearly the board have not demonstrated the same vision.. .. smaller growing companies in all industries have to fend of predatory approaches for their staff and sevices everyday yet some do make it and the owners are adept at keeping staff happy and pinting a big picture and sharing the rewards along the way…"this is clearly NOT happening". Staying as a 30.000 club will mean this continual 'also ran' fate will await us for the rest of our lives. Yet it does not have to be this way. Global sponsership….Amex stadium anyone (bigger than us next year) A magnificent stadium with the start of a metro system linking the docks to the station and city…vision! Manchester is a sensational city in no small part to it's metro..road jams are in the centre non existent make the city pleasent and more people will come. A loss leader policy on under 12's fill the ground every game. Loyalty Share offerings to players and management over an 8 year building period. Players leaving Southampton will a t present be offered a 100k week maximum..the 250k a week only happens when they have already proven at one of Europes elite (sic) clubs…..therefore up our max to 75k it is near enough for any of those with a sense of decency and family life here (wifes think of things other than just money) to not bother with the upheaval. A guaranteed pension for an ambassadorial role eliminating the fear factor of short playing careers for lifetime service… Articulate our beliefs and desires to the kids and recruits from day one. Educate via regional advertising the importanvce of being a SOUTHerner means supporting SOUTHampton….creat a Bilbao effect. This is not as simple as just greedy players, agents or possibly a greedy board…it is about a root and branch philosophy and city, south interaction.[/p][/quote]Sounds wonderful. Totally reliant on joined up thinking between councils responsible for the infrastructure and a visionary board.....do we have either? Remember the farcical process of identifying and securing a new site pre St.Marys....? St.Winch70
  • Score: 1

9:19am Thu 3 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

If players want to leave, Saints should sell them for the highest possible prices, but not to Tottenham ex Saints or to Arsenal ex Saints in particular and also not to Liverpool ex Saints or to Manchester United. Selling our best players to clubs that finish above Saints in the Premier League makes no sense whatsoever, especially as Southampton FC have no financial need to sell. Why allow those clubs such a competitive advantage for next season and beyond? Saints might never be competitive in the Premier League if this trend continues.

I am a lifelong Saints fan and I am sick of the club being only second rate because it is a feeder club to the likes of Tottenham and Arsenal. I want to see real, ongoing commitment from the club towards growing Southampton FC, not helping its competitors when there is no need for financial gain. We have heard only encouraging words from Ralph Krueger and Les Reed. I still believe their words, but now it is time for those words to be reinforced by encouraging actions. It's time to get the cheque book out and buy us some better new Saints than those who decided to jump ship! Never in the history of Southampton FC has the club had so much money available to buy players. I hope it is spent well.

St. Marys is a nice stadium, better than the Dell. Apart from during its safety constricted latter years, the Dell's crowd capacity was around 32,000, similar to St. Marys. In other words, the club did not actually become any bigger a football club when it moved from the Dell. In my view, growing the club should partly mean enlarging St. Marys, gradually increasing its crowd capacity. Some of the commitment I would like to see from Saints would be to recognise the fact that there isn't a Premier League club anywhere near Southampton, so its catchment area for fans is probably the largest in this country. I see this as a real opportunity. Manchester United have for years continued expanding Old Trafford's crowd capacity, despite being hundreds of millions of pounds in debt. I think that if St. Marys is enlarged, the fans will attend in sufficiently large numbers often enough over the years to more than justify the expense of expanding the stadium. I believe Ralph's words that the aim is to grow Southampton FC. Opportunity is knocking for our stadium to gradually be taken to the next level!

Onward and upward!!!
If players want to leave, Saints should sell them for the highest possible prices, but not to Tottenham ex Saints or to Arsenal ex Saints in particular and also not to Liverpool ex Saints or to Manchester United. Selling our best players to clubs that finish above Saints in the Premier League makes no sense whatsoever, especially as Southampton FC have no financial need to sell. Why allow those clubs such a competitive advantage for next season and beyond? Saints might never be competitive in the Premier League if this trend continues. I am a lifelong Saints fan and I am sick of the club being only second rate because it is a feeder club to the likes of Tottenham and Arsenal. I want to see real, ongoing commitment from the club towards growing Southampton FC, not helping its competitors when there is no need for financial gain. We have heard only encouraging words from Ralph Krueger and Les Reed. I still believe their words, but now it is time for those words to be reinforced by encouraging actions. It's time to get the cheque book out and buy us some better new Saints than those who decided to jump ship! Never in the history of Southampton FC has the club had so much money available to buy players. I hope it is spent well. St. Marys is a nice stadium, better than the Dell. Apart from during its safety constricted latter years, the Dell's crowd capacity was around 32,000, similar to St. Marys. In other words, the club did not actually become any bigger a football club when it moved from the Dell. In my view, growing the club should partly mean enlarging St. Marys, gradually increasing its crowd capacity. Some of the commitment I would like to see from Saints would be to recognise the fact that there isn't a Premier League club anywhere near Southampton, so its catchment area for fans is probably the largest in this country. I see this as a real opportunity. Manchester United have for years continued expanding Old Trafford's crowd capacity, despite being hundreds of millions of pounds in debt. I think that if St. Marys is enlarged, the fans will attend in sufficiently large numbers often enough over the years to more than justify the expense of expanding the stadium. I believe Ralph's words that the aim is to grow Southampton FC. Opportunity is knocking for our stadium to gradually be taken to the next level! Onward and upward!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 4

9:20am Thu 3 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Micle1974 wrote:
Is there ANY point in these "players" signing contracts?
Might as well be "pay as you play"
Seems contracts are not worth the hard disk space they are taking up ( or the paper they are written on)
Absolutely!
It will just be laughable the next time we see a picture of the smiling player,pen in hand,giving the "contract" to the beaming manager leaning over his shoulder.What an utter farce.
[quote][p][bold]Micle1974[/bold] wrote: Is there ANY point in these "players" signing contracts? Might as well be "pay as you play" Seems contracts are not worth the hard disk space they are taking up ( or the paper they are written on)[/p][/quote]Absolutely! It will just be laughable the next time we see a picture of the smiling player,pen in hand,giving the "contract" to the beaming manager leaning over his shoulder.What an utter farce. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

9:24am Thu 3 Jul 14

saints80 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
killared wrote:
I'd say take the money and invest on somebody with heart and Loyalty . I remember when he used to play for Lyon in France the guy was really awful Jean Michel Aulas Lyon Chairman even laugh at us when we bought him for 8.5 million !
The player I watched last season was outstanding.
Maybe so but on par with the rest of the team. I think fonte deserves credit having also come from league one. Dont see him behaving like a spoilt child!!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: I'd say take the money and invest on somebody with heart and Loyalty . I remember when he used to play for Lyon in France the guy was really awful Jean Michel Aulas Lyon Chairman even laugh at us when we bought him for 8.5 million ![/p][/quote]The player I watched last season was outstanding.[/p][/quote]Maybe so but on par with the rest of the team. I think fonte deserves credit having also come from league one. Dont see him behaving like a spoilt child!! saints80
  • Score: 7

9:27am Thu 3 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

When cortese left he took the dream with him.what is it with people saying he spent others money? Look at what he achieved,he dragged us up the leagues.we are one of many companies in the liebher company,he fought for a share FOR US.if you check we were also within the new financial requirements.great leaders sell their staff a vision.he made us all believe! Now were stuck with les and Ralph.the wheels fell off when cortese left.do you really think its a coincidence that the manager and 5 or 6 players(if not more) want to leave at the same time?
When cortese left he took the dream with him.what is it with people saying he spent others money? Look at what he achieved,he dragged us up the leagues.we are one of many companies in the liebher company,he fought for a share FOR US.if you check we were also within the new financial requirements.great leaders sell their staff a vision.he made us all believe! Now were stuck with les and Ralph.the wheels fell off when cortese left.do you really think its a coincidence that the manager and 5 or 6 players(if not more) want to leave at the same time? Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -2

9:31am Thu 3 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
pitbull wrote:
Yet another player who thinks he's too good for Saints.
Didn't he leave Lyon when they were in the Champions League? So much for ambition.
He was sold "the project" by the previous manager and chairman on the back of someone elses money.
The fact that the previous chairman had already amounted £25m debt on transfer fees plus the cost of the training facilities being doubled added to more debt.
If he was left to do his own thing we could have ended up in financial doo doo. Possibly ending up like the fishy lot down the road, or would Khatarina have dipped into her pocket to bail us out yet again.

It's time to clear out everything to do with the previous lot and start again, any of the players want out, sell them for the best possible price and move on.
I'm really getting sick of the poison lurking through St Mary's, dis-infect it and return to good health.
I think you might be right, out with the old in with the new, let's get some players in who want to wear the shirt, I am afraid money is spoiling the game of football.
Trouble is,last season,we believed that the players all leaving us now"wanted to wear the shirt".
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: Yet another player who thinks he's too good for Saints. Didn't he leave Lyon when they were in the Champions League? So much for ambition. He was sold "the project" by the previous manager and chairman on the back of someone elses money. The fact that the previous chairman had already amounted £25m debt on transfer fees plus the cost of the training facilities being doubled added to more debt. If he was left to do his own thing we could have ended up in financial doo doo. Possibly ending up like the fishy lot down the road, or would Khatarina have dipped into her pocket to bail us out yet again. It's time to clear out everything to do with the previous lot and start again, any of the players want out, sell them for the best possible price and move on. I'm really getting sick of the poison lurking through St Mary's, dis-infect it and return to good health.[/p][/quote]I think you might be right, out with the old in with the new, let's get some players in who want to wear the shirt, I am afraid money is spoiling the game of football.[/p][/quote]Trouble is,last season,we believed that the players all leaving us now"wanted to wear the shirt". Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

9:32am Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Yes the players are a greedy buch of barstewards incited by mercenary wages and the Corporate global brand clubs who buy success….however we had appeared under NC to have offered something, a vision a togetherness a chance of forcing ourselves onto the scene….

Whatever the rights and wrongs clearly the board have not demonstrated the same vision..

.. smaller growing companies in all industries have to fend of predatory approaches for their staff and sevices everyday yet some do make it and the owners are adept at keeping staff happy and pinting a big picture and sharing the rewards along the way…"this is clearly NOT happening".

Staying as a 30.000 club will mean this continual 'also ran' fate will await us for the rest of our lives.

Yet it does not have to be this way.

Global sponsership….Amex stadium anyone (bigger than us next year)

A magnificent stadium with the start of a metro system linking the docks to the station and city…vision!

Manchester is a sensational city in no small part to it's metro..road jams are in the centre non existent make the city pleasent and more people will come.

A loss leader policy on under 12's fill the ground every game.

Loyalty Share offerings to players and management over an 8 year building period.

Players leaving Southampton will a t present be offered a 100k week maximum..the 250k a week only happens when they have already proven at one of Europes elite (sic) clubs…..therefore up our max to 75k it is near enough for any of those with a sense of decency and family life here (wifes think of things other than just money) to not bother with the upheaval.

A guaranteed pension for an ambassadorial role eliminating the fear factor of short playing careers for lifetime service…

Articulate our beliefs and desires to the kids and recruits from day one.

Educate via regional advertising the importanvce of being a SOUTHerner means supporting SOUTHampton….creat a Bilbao effect.

This is not as simple as just greedy players, agents or possibly a greedy board…it is about a root and branch philosophy and city, south interaction.
Yep. But instead of going down the road of global branding Ralph has preferred to do a sponsorship deal with Veho, a company so small they do not have to disclose detailed accounts at Companies House.
Have thought about a couple of these points and a couple more from time to time myself.

If we can see the possibilities how come the money men cannot see the feasibility (or maybe they can and have already dismissed them)

When you go to other countries and you see how by thinking big they have had such big rewards and you then try to get as much as a lamp post painted in this country it is easy to see why we are slipping into obscurity.

I have thought for years that the whole Solent area should be served by a metro system (to include the Isle of Wight) and a link from the railway system/national express station which goes under St Mary's would be a real asset. Or even a people mover between the station already there and the two destinations mentioned would help.

Bite the bullet and put a 60k plus stadium in and get the pricing right to get the youngster filling the ground. The kids would love it and any short fall would surely be made up by the inreased catering and memorabilia/shirt sales.

Find a non Euro club to purchase in a previousy untapped area and loan our youngsters to them and set up an academy there and reap the benefits accordingly Argentina/Brazil/ India/China/South Africa/Indonesia or if you have the vision one in each continent.

Ahhhhh! forget it best left to the pub with a couple of lemonades as it ain't ever going to happen.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Yes the players are a greedy buch of barstewards incited by mercenary wages and the Corporate global brand clubs who buy success….however we had appeared under NC to have offered something, a vision a togetherness a chance of forcing ourselves onto the scene…. Whatever the rights and wrongs clearly the board have not demonstrated the same vision.. .. smaller growing companies in all industries have to fend of predatory approaches for their staff and sevices everyday yet some do make it and the owners are adept at keeping staff happy and pinting a big picture and sharing the rewards along the way…"this is clearly NOT happening". Staying as a 30.000 club will mean this continual 'also ran' fate will await us for the rest of our lives. Yet it does not have to be this way. Global sponsership….Amex stadium anyone (bigger than us next year) A magnificent stadium with the start of a metro system linking the docks to the station and city…vision! Manchester is a sensational city in no small part to it's metro..road jams are in the centre non existent make the city pleasent and more people will come. A loss leader policy on under 12's fill the ground every game. Loyalty Share offerings to players and management over an 8 year building period. Players leaving Southampton will a t present be offered a 100k week maximum..the 250k a week only happens when they have already proven at one of Europes elite (sic) clubs…..therefore up our max to 75k it is near enough for any of those with a sense of decency and family life here (wifes think of things other than just money) to not bother with the upheaval. A guaranteed pension for an ambassadorial role eliminating the fear factor of short playing careers for lifetime service… Articulate our beliefs and desires to the kids and recruits from day one. Educate via regional advertising the importanvce of being a SOUTHerner means supporting SOUTHampton….creat a Bilbao effect. This is not as simple as just greedy players, agents or possibly a greedy board…it is about a root and branch philosophy and city, south interaction.[/p][/quote]Yep. But instead of going down the road of global branding Ralph has preferred to do a sponsorship deal with Veho, a company so small they do not have to disclose detailed accounts at Companies House.[/p][/quote]Have thought about a couple of these points and a couple more from time to time myself. If we can see the possibilities how come the money men cannot see the feasibility (or maybe they can and have already dismissed them) When you go to other countries and you see how by thinking big they have had such big rewards and you then try to get as much as a lamp post painted in this country it is easy to see why we are slipping into obscurity. I have thought for years that the whole Solent area should be served by a metro system (to include the Isle of Wight) and a link from the railway system/national express station which goes under St Mary's would be a real asset. Or even a people mover between the station already there and the two destinations mentioned would help. Bite the bullet and put a 60k plus stadium in and get the pricing right to get the youngster filling the ground. The kids would love it and any short fall would surely be made up by the inreased catering and memorabilia/shirt sales. Find a non Euro club to purchase in a previousy untapped area and loan our youngsters to them and set up an academy there and reap the benefits accordingly Argentina/Brazil/ India/China/South Africa/Indonesia or if you have the vision one in each continent. Ahhhhh! forget it best left to the pub with a couple of lemonades as it ain't ever going to happen. jls217
  • Score: 8

9:33am Thu 3 Jul 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Saintade wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
But would you now believe ANYTHING the Board says after they have done a complete U-turn on all their promises about not selling players? And what about this rubbish about our scouts having a bucket list ready of players to bring in if we lose any - where are they then? I bet none of them were Dutch either until Koeman got here....I just don't have any confidence in the Board at all. If you look back at news reports on statements from the club, you'll see what I mean. Don't believe what you read!
I must admit I now have that stance. Look at all the buzzing activity of players moving about - but for us it is all outgoing. And they are our best players! I think what we are seeing is a controlled, PR-driven, profit-taking, downgrading of Southampton. Now I fear the next to go is Koeman, because he was deceived.

What did the Board expect? Let's say they are not profit-taking. Did they really expect their strategy of sell first, buy later would work? To really show ambition, they should have started with a massive signing, knowing there was strong demand for our players, and then sell if they had to. That might have given them the problem that players did not wish to go, but then the Board was in control, not the players.

So I think it comes down to this, unfortunately: either we are being taken for a ride by intelligent business people with short term interests, or we are led by a Board near the arse end of the latter when it comes to smarts!

I don't know what is worse frankly....
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]But would you now believe ANYTHING the Board says after they have done a complete U-turn on all their promises about not selling players? And what about this rubbish about our scouts having a bucket list ready of players to bring in if we lose any - where are they then? I bet none of them were Dutch either until Koeman got here....I just don't have any confidence in the Board at all. If you look back at news reports on statements from the club, you'll see what I mean. Don't believe what you read![/p][/quote]I must admit I now have that stance. Look at all the buzzing activity of players moving about - but for us it is all outgoing. And they are our best players! I think what we are seeing is a controlled, PR-driven, profit-taking, downgrading of Southampton. Now I fear the next to go is Koeman, because he was deceived. What did the Board expect? Let's say they are not profit-taking. Did they really expect their strategy of sell first, buy later would work? To really show ambition, they should have started with a massive signing, knowing there was strong demand for our players, and then sell if they had to. That might have given them the problem that players did not wish to go, but then the Board was in control, not the players. So I think it comes down to this, unfortunately: either we are being taken for a ride by intelligent business people with short term interests, or we are led by a Board near the arse end of the latter when it comes to smarts! I don't know what is worse frankly.... BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 2

9:38am Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.
Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners.

The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club.

The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.
This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club.

And this is the bit that has me crying into my beer. It will always be the big what if as we look back.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.[/p][/quote]Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners. The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club. The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.[/p][/quote]This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club. And this is the bit that has me crying into my beer. It will always be the big what if as we look back. jls217
  • Score: 8

9:40am Thu 3 Jul 14

killared says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
killared wrote:
I'd say take the money and invest on somebody with heart and Loyalty . I remember when he used to play for Lyon in France the guy was really awful Jean Michel Aulas Lyon Chairman even laugh at us when we bought him for 8.5 million !
The player I watched last season was outstanding.
I'd say one season wonder so far let's see next season if he can reproduce the same performance.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: I'd say take the money and invest on somebody with heart and Loyalty . I remember when he used to play for Lyon in France the guy was really awful Jean Michel Aulas Lyon Chairman even laugh at us when we bought him for 8.5 million ![/p][/quote]The player I watched last season was outstanding.[/p][/quote]I'd say one season wonder so far let's see next season if he can reproduce the same performance. killared
  • Score: 0

9:40am Thu 3 Jul 14

Buddy SFC says...

Berkshire Saint wrote:
If Lovren goes then this will be a sad indictment of the new regime. I would like to see the board stand firm on at least one of our key players, I could just about tolerate 2 leaving but 4 would be ridiculous following our best season in 30 years. I love the optimism of our fans but we're talking about a completely new team taking the field in 6 weeks and there's no way we'll be ready in time.
What do you all not get about player power ? We all shouted for them to get their international starts , but of course that's help the players agents negotiate top wage deals with other clubs !!

Do you want us to go the Way of Poopey !! As I said above get rid at top money and start again, it will take time for Saints to become a top club if the ambition is their, but better taking time than going Bust !
[quote][p][bold]Berkshire Saint[/bold] wrote: If Lovren goes then this will be a sad indictment of the new regime. I would like to see the board stand firm on at least one of our key players, I could just about tolerate 2 leaving but 4 would be ridiculous following our best season in 30 years. I love the optimism of our fans but we're talking about a completely new team taking the field in 6 weeks and there's no way we'll be ready in time.[/p][/quote]What do you all not get about player power ? We all shouted for them to get their international starts , but of course that's help the players agents negotiate top wage deals with other clubs !! Do you want us to go the Way of Poopey !! As I said above get rid at top money and start again, it will take time for Saints to become a top club if the ambition is their, but better taking time than going Bust ! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 0

9:41am Thu 3 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Chipmonk1 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.
Good post Chipmonk1.
[quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.[/p][/quote]Good post Chipmonk1. george chivers
  • Score: 5

9:45am Thu 3 Jul 14

sisaydo1 says...

You all seem to be missing the point. If these players were sold the club on the basis of us achieving champions league status within a certain time frame only to now be told the ambition has changed with the appointment of K Liebhher and that idiot hockey man, you cannot blame any of them for wanting to leave. Real world guys it is our club that has changed more likely than the players. Our board probably told Cortese and Mopo that the money will stop and we will use our youth system from now on. Let's be honest our board now have a very limited footballing brain.
You all seem to be missing the point. If these players were sold the club on the basis of us achieving champions league status within a certain time frame only to now be told the ambition has changed with the appointment of K Liebhher and that idiot hockey man, you cannot blame any of them for wanting to leave. Real world guys it is our club that has changed more likely than the players. Our board probably told Cortese and Mopo that the money will stop and we will use our youth system from now on. Let's be honest our board now have a very limited footballing brain. sisaydo1
  • Score: -6

9:48am Thu 3 Jul 14

saints80 says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
When cortese left he took the dream with him.what is it with people saying he spent others money? Look at what he achieved,he dragged us up the leagues.we are one of many companies in the liebher company,he fought for a share FOR US.if you check we were also within the new financial requirements.great leaders sell their staff a vision.he made us all believe! Now were stuck with les and Ralph.the wheels fell off when cortese left.do you really think its a coincidence that the manager and 5 or 6 players(if not more) want to leave at the same time?
It would be the same if cortese was still with us. It does not change certain players greed or over inflated egos which will always be there! When a team above you comes knocking waving more wonga at you, their not going to say no! Its about the way they conduct themselves through the sale and this is the worst possible way. I say make it a fortress of hatred against him next season when he lines up against us. I for one will be shouting "penalty" whenever he goes near one of our players. Shame we don't have a brazilian in the team anymore.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: When cortese left he took the dream with him.what is it with people saying he spent others money? Look at what he achieved,he dragged us up the leagues.we are one of many companies in the liebher company,he fought for a share FOR US.if you check we were also within the new financial requirements.great leaders sell their staff a vision.he made us all believe! Now were stuck with les and Ralph.the wheels fell off when cortese left.do you really think its a coincidence that the manager and 5 or 6 players(if not more) want to leave at the same time?[/p][/quote]It would be the same if cortese was still with us. It does not change certain players greed or over inflated egos which will always be there! When a team above you comes knocking waving more wonga at you, their not going to say no! Its about the way they conduct themselves through the sale and this is the worst possible way. I say make it a fortress of hatred against him next season when he lines up against us. I for one will be shouting "penalty" whenever he goes near one of our players. Shame we don't have a brazilian in the team anymore. saints80
  • Score: 0

9:49am Thu 3 Jul 14

Columbo's Glass Eye says...

Saw Ronald in lyndhurst yesterday late afternoon. Can't be much to do at staplewood ahead of the new season! Looked very relaxed without a care in the world. Maybe he's not aware of the saints exodus!
Saw Ronald in lyndhurst yesterday late afternoon. Can't be much to do at staplewood ahead of the new season! Looked very relaxed without a care in the world. Maybe he's not aware of the saints exodus! Columbo's Glass Eye
  • Score: -1

9:51am Thu 3 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

This club cannot afford another meltdown…

We need answers…

A "TELL US THE TRUTH" protest..everyone here and associated with Saints needs some serious questions asked of the board as that is where the buck stops.

How did Adam Lallana leave, what demands or threats did he actually make.

Why did Mo Po go.

Is there any truth in the statement attributed to Jesus that the coaches were offered a big bonus to stay for two years while the club was sold.

If not the board whod do they believe is responsible for destabilizing the club.

What is the mission brief given to Koeman,.

The board may feel they do not answer to us, BUT if they do not give answers, then , even if their heart is in the right place there will be calls to sack the board and the project will come undone by default, if they want to protect their product they need to start pointing the finger ^^ôtherwise!!
This club cannot afford another meltdown… We need answers… A "TELL US THE TRUTH" protest..everyone here and associated with Saints needs some serious questions asked of the board as that is where the buck stops. How did Adam Lallana leave, what demands or threats did he actually make. Why did Mo Po go. Is there any truth in the statement attributed to Jesus that the coaches were offered a big bonus to stay for two years while the club was sold. If not the board whod do they believe is responsible for destabilizing the club. What is the mission brief given to Koeman,. The board may feel they do not answer to us, BUT if they do not give answers, then , even if their heart is in the right place there will be calls to sack the board and the project will come undone by default, if they want to protect their product they need to start pointing the finger ^^ôtherwise!! warrens 76
  • Score: 0

9:51am Thu 3 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
Cortese left because the estate ( KL and advisers ) deemed his steerage of the club to be unstable. Their investment was initially on solid grounds but finances in the final year of the Cortese reign started to lean towards the dependent and risky. Also to have a manager in place whose position was based on veiled threats to leave would too have smelt like a coup-de-tat in the making. So personally I am thankful that such a fragile ship was sunk so we can build a new one. I am as disappointed as anyone else that it appears player were playing for a promise, not the club... but the reality is that players, a manager and chairman can not hold to ransom a club they have not personally invested in. The kit ****-up is just one example of many which for me shows the club was not being run properly. We will take one step back to take two steps forward and I expect 10th this coming season with a developing team but the following season we can hopefully push for that Europa spot or maybe even win a cup.... the future's bright , the future's orange.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]Cortese left because the estate ( KL and advisers ) deemed his steerage of the club to be unstable. Their investment was initially on solid grounds but finances in the final year of the Cortese reign started to lean towards the dependent and risky. Also to have a manager in place whose position was based on veiled threats to leave would too have smelt like a coup-de-tat in the making. So personally I am thankful that such a fragile ship was sunk so we can build a new one. I am as disappointed as anyone else that it appears player were playing for a promise, not the club... but the reality is that players, a manager and chairman can not hold to ransom a club they have not personally invested in. The kit ****-up is just one example of many which for me shows the club was not being run properly. We will take one step back to take two steps forward and I expect 10th this coming season with a developing team but the following season we can hopefully push for that Europa spot or maybe even win a cup.... the future's bright , the future's orange. steekeemcglue
  • Score: 9

9:52am Thu 3 Jul 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Columbo's Glass Eye wrote:
Saw Ronald in lyndhurst yesterday late afternoon. Can't be much to do at staplewood ahead of the new season! Looked very relaxed without a care in the world. Maybe he's not aware of the saints exodus!
Maybe Koeman is just a figurehead to keep the illusion? What prices would the owner get if it was clear she wanted out? Think about it...
[quote][p][bold]Columbo's Glass Eye[/bold] wrote: Saw Ronald in lyndhurst yesterday late afternoon. Can't be much to do at staplewood ahead of the new season! Looked very relaxed without a care in the world. Maybe he's not aware of the saints exodus![/p][/quote]Maybe Koeman is just a figurehead to keep the illusion? What prices would the owner get if it was clear she wanted out? Think about it... BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: -5

9:53am Thu 3 Jul 14

Wagon painted says...

saints80 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
killared wrote:
I'd say take the money and invest on somebody with heart and Loyalty . I remember when he used to play for Lyon in France the guy was really awful Jean Michel Aulas Lyon Chairman even laugh at us when we bought him for 8.5 million !
The player I watched last season was outstanding.
Maybe so but on par with the rest of the team. I think fonte deserves credit having also come from league one. Dont see him behaving like a spoilt child!!
Difference is that Fonte looks an ok player when paired with Lovren but suspect without him .
[quote][p][bold]saints80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: I'd say take the money and invest on somebody with heart and Loyalty . I remember when he used to play for Lyon in France the guy was really awful Jean Michel Aulas Lyon Chairman even laugh at us when we bought him for 8.5 million ![/p][/quote]The player I watched last season was outstanding.[/p][/quote]Maybe so but on par with the rest of the team. I think fonte deserves credit having also come from league one. Dont see him behaving like a spoilt child!![/p][/quote]Difference is that Fonte looks an ok player when paired with Lovren but suspect without him . Wagon painted
  • Score: 0

9:55am Thu 3 Jul 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

I was really excited about Krueger's words of a communicating Board, that shared information with fans. To be honest, all I see is the opposite. Such a shame.
I was really excited about Krueger's words of a communicating Board, that shared information with fans. To be honest, all I see is the opposite. Such a shame. BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 2

9:56am Thu 3 Jul 14

Wagon painted says...

Lovren moved out of his address with partner and belongings at the end of the season so it seems likely the Echo source is correct
Lovren moved out of his address with partner and belongings at the end of the season so it seems likely the Echo source is correct Wagon painted
  • Score: 4

9:56am Thu 3 Jul 14

saint phil says...

SCREW the club thats after him for as much as possible ,as we would like a TOP replacement
SCREW the club thats after him for as much as possible ,as we would like a TOP replacement saint phil
  • Score: 0

10:03am Thu 3 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

Columbo's Glass Eye wrote:
Saw Ronald in lyndhurst yesterday late afternoon. Can't be much to do at staplewood ahead of the new season! Looked very relaxed without a care in the world. Maybe he's not aware of the saints exodus!
Or maybe he is just looking at property in the area to rent because it is close to Staplewood.
[quote][p][bold]Columbo's Glass Eye[/bold] wrote: Saw Ronald in lyndhurst yesterday late afternoon. Can't be much to do at staplewood ahead of the new season! Looked very relaxed without a care in the world. Maybe he's not aware of the saints exodus![/p][/quote]Or maybe he is just looking at property in the area to rent because it is close to Staplewood. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 4

10:04am Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Okay gents there are some clever, forward looking people posting on this forum. I have a question which is certainly going to earn a lot of thumbs down but it is only a question - a huge what if.

What if there was only one club serving the Solent called for example Solent UTD. With a 70k seat state of the art international standard venue to include the best academy and training facilities available. This stadium to be built with access to and from either the M3 and/or the M27. Call it Burkerking stadium if you wish (whoever comes up with the dosh gets the stadium name (Duchy of Cornwall stadium has a nice ring to it for the Solent area - however unlikely)
The squads of Burnmuff, Pimpey and Saints combine (manager structure likewise, boards likewise and they are whittled down to what is necessary. Initially the crowd would be smallish but would grow as more and more accepted the realities of life. As much fun as we have had ripping into each other over the years - is it time to understand that is exactly what is/would be limiting us in having one of the best clubs in Europe let alone England.
Or do we want to continue with our regional wars and into eternity have our three little provincial clubs capable of doing sod all year in year out.
Katarina get your cheque book out and buy the other two - we might just be onto something here.

It would grieve me to lose my 50+ plus years of being died in the wool Saints supporter but it would mean the survival, nay, the flourishing of our clubs. I developed into a realist and have a pragmatic approach to most things so the question is, once you have allowed the heart attack/stroke to be treated ask yourself with a clear mind - Is this a solution to the South Coast woes?
Okay gents there are some clever, forward looking people posting on this forum. I have a question which is certainly going to earn a lot of thumbs down but it is only a question - a huge what if. What if there was only one club serving the Solent called for example Solent UTD. With a 70k seat state of the art international standard venue to include the best academy and training facilities available. This stadium to be built with access to and from either the M3 and/or the M27. Call it Burkerking stadium if you wish (whoever comes up with the dosh gets the stadium name (Duchy of Cornwall stadium has a nice ring to it for the Solent area - however unlikely) The squads of Burnmuff, Pimpey and Saints combine (manager structure likewise, boards likewise and they are whittled down to what is necessary. Initially the crowd would be smallish but would grow as more and more accepted the realities of life. As much fun as we have had ripping into each other over the years - is it time to understand that is exactly what is/would be limiting us in having one of the best clubs in Europe let alone England. Or do we want to continue with our regional wars and into eternity have our three little provincial clubs capable of doing sod all year in year out. Katarina get your cheque book out and buy the other two - we might just be onto something here. It would grieve me to lose my 50+ plus years of being died in the wool Saints supporter but it would mean the survival, nay, the flourishing of our clubs. I developed into a realist and have a pragmatic approach to most things so the question is, once you have allowed the heart attack/stroke to be treated ask yourself with a clear mind - Is this a solution to the South Coast woes? jls217
  • Score: 0

10:06am Thu 3 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
pitbull wrote:
Yet another player who thinks he's too good for Saints.
Didn't he leave Lyon when they were in the Champions League? So much for ambition.
He was sold "the project" by the previous manager and chairman on the back of someone elses money.
The fact that the previous chairman had already amounted £25m debt on transfer fees plus the cost of the training facilities being doubled added to more debt.
If he was left to do his own thing we could have ended up in financial doo doo. Possibly ending up like the fishy lot down the road, or would Khatarina have dipped into her pocket to bail us out yet again.

It's time to clear out everything to do with the previous lot and start again, any of the players want out, sell them for the best possible price and move on.
I'm really getting sick of the poison lurking through St Mary's, dis-infect it and return to good health.
I think you might be right, out with the old in with the new, let's get some players in who want to wear the shirt, I am afraid money is spoiling the game of football.
Trouble is,last season,we believed that the players all leaving us now"wanted to wear the shirt".
I know what you mean but not all players are as disloyal as Lovren.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: Yet another player who thinks he's too good for Saints. Didn't he leave Lyon when they were in the Champions League? So much for ambition. He was sold "the project" by the previous manager and chairman on the back of someone elses money. The fact that the previous chairman had already amounted £25m debt on transfer fees plus the cost of the training facilities being doubled added to more debt. If he was left to do his own thing we could have ended up in financial doo doo. Possibly ending up like the fishy lot down the road, or would Khatarina have dipped into her pocket to bail us out yet again. It's time to clear out everything to do with the previous lot and start again, any of the players want out, sell them for the best possible price and move on. I'm really getting sick of the poison lurking through St Mary's, dis-infect it and return to good health.[/p][/quote]I think you might be right, out with the old in with the new, let's get some players in who want to wear the shirt, I am afraid money is spoiling the game of football.[/p][/quote]Trouble is,last season,we believed that the players all leaving us now"wanted to wear the shirt".[/p][/quote]I know what you mean but not all players are as disloyal as Lovren. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 0

10:06am Thu 3 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Wagon painted wrote:
saints80 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
killared wrote:
I'd say take the money and invest on somebody with heart and Loyalty . I remember when he used to play for Lyon in France the guy was really awful Jean Michel Aulas Lyon Chairman even laugh at us when we bought him for 8.5 million !
The player I watched last season was outstanding.
Maybe so but on par with the rest of the team. I think fonte deserves credit having also come from league one. Dont see him behaving like a spoilt child!!
Difference is that Fonte looks an ok player when paired with Lovren but suspect without him .
Difference is Liverpool came in for Lovren, Hull for Fonte.
[quote][p][bold]Wagon painted[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saints80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: I'd say take the money and invest on somebody with heart and Loyalty . I remember when he used to play for Lyon in France the guy was really awful Jean Michel Aulas Lyon Chairman even laugh at us when we bought him for 8.5 million ![/p][/quote]The player I watched last season was outstanding.[/p][/quote]Maybe so but on par with the rest of the team. I think fonte deserves credit having also come from league one. Dont see him behaving like a spoilt child!![/p][/quote]Difference is that Fonte looks an ok player when paired with Lovren but suspect without him .[/p][/quote]Difference is Liverpool came in for Lovren, Hull for Fonte. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

10:07am Thu 3 Jul 14

durhamsaint87 says...

This is one instance when this board can show it has the guts to stand up against these players and their agents. 4 years in the reserves will not only prove we mean business but also show the so-called big clubs they can't bully club's like Southampton around. Also, this will help all football clubs and make agents worthless, as they won't have the same power over clubs they now have. This has got to stop, you can't sign a big contract and just pull out whenever you feel like it. AL throw his toys out and we gave in let's hope they stick to their guns this time. Saints is a great club and players should recognize this and play fair not like spoilt little children.
This is one instance when this board can show it has the guts to stand up against these players and their agents. 4 years in the reserves will not only prove we mean business but also show the so-called big clubs they can't bully club's like Southampton around. Also, this will help all football clubs and make agents worthless, as they won't have the same power over clubs they now have. This has got to stop, you can't sign a big contract and just pull out whenever you feel like it. AL throw his toys out and we gave in let's hope they stick to their guns this time. Saints is a great club and players should recognize this and play fair not like spoilt little children. durhamsaint87
  • Score: 5

10:10am Thu 3 Jul 14

george chivers says...

jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.
Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners.

The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club.

The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.
This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club.

And this is the bit that has me crying into my beer. It will always be the big what if as we look back.
But you are both ignoring the point Chipmonk1 made about the financial rules. If we don't have the revenue streams then we will trade insolvently and will suffer punishment in the U.K. and in Europe that will knock us backwards and the investment will be wasted or lost completely.

And as I have said before does KL want to use HER money that way?

Probably not I would say and she has employed a board which reflect that view.

After all she is the financial shareholder which doesn't mean she is an emotional share holder like us. We are emotional shareholders by choice. She is the owner and financial shareholder by inheritance and default, not by choice.

There lies the rub. Why should she invest her money in the risky business of football which probably won't give her a return. SFC is not
a rich girl's toy she would choose to buy. And she has no responsibility to follow her father's wishes, whatever they may have been. I don't think we have missed an opportunity I don't think that opportunity was ever there from the day KL inherited SFC.

As an aside and I have no evidence for this, just a gut feel, I think she fell out with Cortese over the funding of the Osvaldo deal which I think was done through a bank in the Virgin Islands using the club as collateral. (As reported by the DE). My feeling is this was done outside his remit and he took a gamble hoping to over achieve and make the top six. Unfortunately for him the gamble didn't come off.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.[/p][/quote]Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners. The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club. The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.[/p][/quote]This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club. And this is the bit that has me crying into my beer. It will always be the big what if as we look back.[/p][/quote]But you are both ignoring the point Chipmonk1 made about the financial rules. If we don't have the revenue streams then we will trade insolvently and will suffer punishment in the U.K. and in Europe that will knock us backwards and the investment will be wasted or lost completely. And as I have said before does KL want to use HER money that way? Probably not I would say and she has employed a board which reflect that view. After all she is the financial shareholder which doesn't mean she is an emotional share holder like us. We are emotional shareholders by choice. She is the owner and financial shareholder by inheritance and default, not by choice. There lies the rub. Why should she invest her money in the risky business of football which probably won't give her a return. SFC is not a rich girl's toy she would choose to buy. And she has no responsibility to follow her father's wishes, whatever they may have been. I don't think we have missed an opportunity I don't think that opportunity was ever there from the day KL inherited SFC. As an aside and I have no evidence for this, just a gut feel, I think she fell out with Cortese over the funding of the Osvaldo deal which I think was done through a bank in the Virgin Islands using the club as collateral. (As reported by the DE). My feeling is this was done outside his remit and he took a gamble hoping to over achieve and make the top six. Unfortunately for him the gamble didn't come off. george chivers
  • Score: 4

10:10am Thu 3 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

jls217 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
pitbull wrote:
Yet another player who thinks he's too good for Saints.
Didn't he leave Lyon when they were in the Champions League? So much for ambition.
He was sold "the project" by the previous manager and chairman on the back of someone elses money.
The fact that the previous chairman had already amounted £25m debt on transfer fees plus the cost of the training facilities being doubled added to more debt.
If he was left to do his own thing we could have ended up in financial doo doo. Possibly ending up like the fishy lot down the road, or would Khatarina have dipped into her pocket to bail us out yet again.

It's time to clear out everything to do with the previous lot and start again, any of the players want out, sell them for the best possible price and move on.
I'm really getting sick of the poison lurking through St Mary's, dis-infect it and return to good health.
I think you might be right, out with the old in with the new, let's get some players in who want to wear the shirt, I am afraid money is spoiling the game of football.
Rare indeed will be a player nowadays who will want to wear the shirt.
Unless of course you are one of the top 4/5 vying for the top spots year in year out - then you will have no problems.

If Saints could up the wages we might stand a chance but to do that we would need to add 20k seats to the stadium - each one of those seats would cost £3k plus to build (if we could be assured of planning and if the current area could be redeveloped to that size - and it's already a bit of a tight fit) It might even be cheaper to knock it down and start again. If we got the pricing right I think we'd fill it but at the current pricing I doubt we'd ever get 20k season ticket buyers and we'd need to be looking at roughly that to make it a viable option.
A bit of a catch 22 really.
This means any club in the bottom two thirds of the PL could never progress as any English player who shows promise would be snapped up by the top clubs who just tap the players agent and the player is gone and any exceptional foreign player likewise.
The FA and the league need to look at this problem and get their heads together to stop this practice and very quickly or the PL just becomes a mockery of a league.
A Euro league could be the answer - but you can guarantee your best players would be taken from you every season and there would be no point having contracts. Football is not the fun game it used to be, it has been ruined by money. Jimmy Hill has a lot to answer for.
I did touch on this point the other day by suggesting that we have to start selling out all our home games before the owners will even think of expanding our seating capacity.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: Yet another player who thinks he's too good for Saints. Didn't he leave Lyon when they were in the Champions League? So much for ambition. He was sold "the project" by the previous manager and chairman on the back of someone elses money. The fact that the previous chairman had already amounted £25m debt on transfer fees plus the cost of the training facilities being doubled added to more debt. If he was left to do his own thing we could have ended up in financial doo doo. Possibly ending up like the fishy lot down the road, or would Khatarina have dipped into her pocket to bail us out yet again. It's time to clear out everything to do with the previous lot and start again, any of the players want out, sell them for the best possible price and move on. I'm really getting sick of the poison lurking through St Mary's, dis-infect it and return to good health.[/p][/quote]I think you might be right, out with the old in with the new, let's get some players in who want to wear the shirt, I am afraid money is spoiling the game of football.[/p][/quote]Rare indeed will be a player nowadays who will want to wear the shirt. Unless of course you are one of the top 4/5 vying for the top spots year in year out - then you will have no problems. If Saints could up the wages we might stand a chance but to do that we would need to add 20k seats to the stadium - each one of those seats would cost £3k plus to build (if we could be assured of planning and if the current area could be redeveloped to that size - and it's already a bit of a tight fit) It might even be cheaper to knock it down and start again. If we got the pricing right I think we'd fill it but at the current pricing I doubt we'd ever get 20k season ticket buyers and we'd need to be looking at roughly that to make it a viable option. A bit of a catch 22 really. This means any club in the bottom two thirds of the PL could never progress as any English player who shows promise would be snapped up by the top clubs who just tap the players agent and the player is gone and any exceptional foreign player likewise. The FA and the league need to look at this problem and get their heads together to stop this practice and very quickly or the PL just becomes a mockery of a league. A Euro league could be the answer - but you can guarantee your best players would be taken from you every season and there would be no point having contracts. Football is not the fun game it used to be, it has been ruined by money. Jimmy Hill has a lot to answer for.[/p][/quote]I did touch on this point the other day by suggesting that we have to start selling out all our home games before the owners will even think of expanding our seating capacity. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 3

10:10am Thu 3 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

jls217 wrote:
Okay gents there are some clever, forward looking people posting on this forum. I have a question which is certainly going to earn a lot of thumbs down but it is only a question - a huge what if.

What if there was only one club serving the Solent called for example Solent UTD. With a 70k seat state of the art international standard venue to include the best academy and training facilities available. This stadium to be built with access to and from either the M3 and/or the M27. Call it Burkerking stadium if you wish (whoever comes up with the dosh gets the stadium name (Duchy of Cornwall stadium has a nice ring to it for the Solent area - however unlikely)
The squads of Burnmuff, Pimpey and Saints combine (manager structure likewise, boards likewise and they are whittled down to what is necessary. Initially the crowd would be smallish but would grow as more and more accepted the realities of life. As much fun as we have had ripping into each other over the years - is it time to understand that is exactly what is/would be limiting us in having one of the best clubs in Europe let alone England.
Or do we want to continue with our regional wars and into eternity have our three little provincial clubs capable of doing sod all year in year out.
Katarina get your cheque book out and buy the other two - we might just be onto something here.

It would grieve me to lose my 50+ plus years of being died in the wool Saints supporter but it would mean the survival, nay, the flourishing of our clubs. I developed into a realist and have a pragmatic approach to most things so the question is, once you have allowed the heart attack/stroke to be treated ask yourself with a clear mind - Is this a solution to the South Coast woes?
.... NURSE!!!!!!! jls is out of bed again.

Although you got a thumbs up from me for cheering me up on another depressing day for Saints fans.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Okay gents there are some clever, forward looking people posting on this forum. I have a question which is certainly going to earn a lot of thumbs down but it is only a question - a huge what if. What if there was only one club serving the Solent called for example Solent UTD. With a 70k seat state of the art international standard venue to include the best academy and training facilities available. This stadium to be built with access to and from either the M3 and/or the M27. Call it Burkerking stadium if you wish (whoever comes up with the dosh gets the stadium name (Duchy of Cornwall stadium has a nice ring to it for the Solent area - however unlikely) The squads of Burnmuff, Pimpey and Saints combine (manager structure likewise, boards likewise and they are whittled down to what is necessary. Initially the crowd would be smallish but would grow as more and more accepted the realities of life. As much fun as we have had ripping into each other over the years - is it time to understand that is exactly what is/would be limiting us in having one of the best clubs in Europe let alone England. Or do we want to continue with our regional wars and into eternity have our three little provincial clubs capable of doing sod all year in year out. Katarina get your cheque book out and buy the other two - we might just be onto something here. It would grieve me to lose my 50+ plus years of being died in the wool Saints supporter but it would mean the survival, nay, the flourishing of our clubs. I developed into a realist and have a pragmatic approach to most things so the question is, once you have allowed the heart attack/stroke to be treated ask yourself with a clear mind - Is this a solution to the South Coast woes?[/p][/quote].... NURSE!!!!!!! jls is out of bed again. Although you got a thumbs up from me for cheering me up on another depressing day for Saints fans. costa gaz
  • Score: 8

10:11am Thu 3 Jul 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

Having read the very good comments posted here I am beginning to wonder if a much clearer picture emerging.

Only an observation but are we saying that a 30,000 seat stadium just isn't big enough to keep the players and maintain the ambition. You need a minimum of perhaps 50,000 do play with the big boys.

Anything else is meaningless
Having read the very good comments posted here I am beginning to wonder if a much clearer picture emerging. Only an observation but are we saying that a 30,000 seat stadium just isn't big enough to keep the players and maintain the ambition. You need a minimum of perhaps 50,000 do play with the big boys. Anything else is meaningless Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 3

10:11am Thu 3 Jul 14

scumpy29 says...

Go to hell lovren. Or go for a nude swim with your mates lol
Go to hell lovren. Or go for a nude swim with your mates lol scumpy29
  • Score: -2

10:11am Thu 3 Jul 14

deepheat says...

It seems to me that the top half a dozen teams in the EPL close ranks when a club like Southampton try and push for a top 6 finish. Brenda Rogers isn't just buying 2 maybe 3 of our top players but in the process is stopping us becoming a threat. What with Man U buying Luke Shaw, Arsenal wanting Morgan Schneiderlin and Totenham wanting Victor Wanyama it makes me wonder why there is very little dealings between the top clubs and whether any team below 8th place can break into the top 6 or 7. Everton have just about managed it after years of trying and no one has come in for the likes of Ross Barkley ,Leighton Baines etc.

Just when a team like Southampton, Swansea, Newcastle, Stoke or even Aston Villa start getting a team together along come the big clubs and cherry pick all the good players leaving the clubs to rebuild year after year. Seems to be a lot of player power in our game at the moment as well.
It seems to me that the top half a dozen teams in the EPL close ranks when a club like Southampton try and push for a top 6 finish. Brenda Rogers isn't just buying 2 maybe 3 of our top players but in the process is stopping us becoming a threat. What with Man U buying Luke Shaw, Arsenal wanting Morgan Schneiderlin and Totenham wanting Victor Wanyama it makes me wonder why there is very little dealings between the top clubs and whether any team below 8th place can break into the top 6 or 7. Everton have just about managed it after years of trying and no one has come in for the likes of Ross Barkley ,Leighton Baines etc. Just when a team like Southampton, Swansea, Newcastle, Stoke or even Aston Villa start getting a team together along come the big clubs and cherry pick all the good players leaving the clubs to rebuild year after year. Seems to be a lot of player power in our game at the moment as well. deepheat
  • Score: 30

10:12am Thu 3 Jul 14

Malcombe says...

I've always said nobody is indispensable and this is another example and Lovren's excuse he wants CLF is pathetic he's pluck it out of the air but Supporters spare a thought for what he's said, does it mean that if everything finished harmoniously at the end of last season and Potchettino was going to Manage next season and non of the Players were leaving he would still want to leave Southampton after all he was one of Team who wanted to be part of the revolution and help get the Club playing in Europe and wanted Potchettino to stay? He's unconvincing and he's not given one thought about the vision for the next level and any thoughts about working under Ronald and to suggest that the Club have abandoned ambitions is a thoughtless off the top of the head disgusting disrespectful statement. IMO he can't have any friends within the Team he played with last season because if he had he would certainly of known since Monday what it's like with the new Management Team what is Ronald's personality and what's it like Training and working with the use of the state of the Art Training ground, if he doesn't want to stay it's the money talking and he too is a member of the Potchettino conspiracy Club, these players make me want to puke with there tame excuses, Lovren just go you silly man, you obvious lack vision and you don't want to play for Southampton and there won't be any tears just joy that Southampton will possibly make £12million profit. I say another bites the dust and will soon be forgotten and Southampton FC are going onwards and upwards as any ambitious Club would. COYR
I've always said nobody is indispensable and this is another example and Lovren's excuse he wants CLF is pathetic he's pluck it out of the air but Supporters spare a thought for what he's said, does it mean that if everything finished harmoniously at the end of last season and Potchettino was going to Manage next season and non of the Players were leaving he would still want to leave Southampton after all he was one of Team who wanted to be part of the revolution and help get the Club playing in Europe and wanted Potchettino to stay? He's unconvincing and he's not given one thought about the vision for the next level and any thoughts about working under Ronald and to suggest that the Club have abandoned ambitions is a thoughtless off the top of the head disgusting disrespectful statement. IMO he can't have any friends within the Team he played with last season because if he had he would certainly of known since Monday what it's like with the new Management Team what is Ronald's personality and what's it like Training and working with the use of the state of the Art Training ground, if he doesn't want to stay it's the money talking and he too is a member of the Potchettino conspiracy Club, these players make me want to puke with there tame excuses, Lovren just go you silly man, you obvious lack vision and you don't want to play for Southampton and there won't be any tears just joy that Southampton will possibly make £12million profit. I say another bites the dust and will soon be forgotten and Southampton FC are going onwards and upwards as any ambitious Club would. COYR Malcombe
  • Score: 5

10:13am Thu 3 Jul 14

Alicesdad says...

There may be trouble ahead,
But while there's music and moonlight,
And love and romance,
Let's face the music and dance.
Before the fiddlers have fled,
Before they ask us to pay the bill,
And while we still have that chance,
Let's face the music and dance.
Soon, we'll be without the moon,
Humming a different tune, and then,
There may be teardrops to shed,
So while there's music and moonlight,
And love and romance,
Let's face the music and dance.
There may be trouble ahead, But while there's music and moonlight, And love and romance, Let's face the music and dance. Before the fiddlers have fled, Before they ask us to pay the bill, And while we still have that chance, Let's face the music and dance. Soon, we'll be without the moon, Humming a different tune, and then, There may be teardrops to shed, So while there's music and moonlight, And love and romance, Let's face the music and dance. Alicesdad
  • Score: 4

10:14am Thu 3 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
He's not carried out this supposed tactic yet, but if he does then I agree, appalling. I would hope that Koeman has enough gravitas to ensure he doesn't take that action, and has a plan that can keep him here!
Yep, that's what happens when you bow to player power and give the likes of Adam, Luke and Rickie their dream moves just because they say they want to leave.

It's predictable, but not too late to stamp down. Would help if we came out with a completely concrete slapdown to Lovren, because, as I've said for a very, very long time now, Spider will be next to try to force a move, then Clyne.

We have £50 million in the bank and stable finances. My bet is that we can, as much as we'd prefer not to, accept paying his wages while he strikes and accept we might lose the transfer fee, and just give him the choice of wasting a year of his career or playing for us.

Osvaldo must be loving it - it's like a school playground where you can get away with just about anything.

Let's knock it on the head and reassert a bit of control here. He's under contract - go ahead and strike - it's your career. We'll buy in a replacement and you can spend a year of your career kicking your heels. Fine by us.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]He's not carried out this supposed tactic yet, but if he does then I agree, appalling. I would hope that Koeman has enough gravitas to ensure he doesn't take that action, and has a plan that can keep him here![/p][/quote]Yep, that's what happens when you bow to player power and give the likes of Adam, Luke and Rickie their dream moves just because they say they want to leave. It's predictable, but not too late to stamp down. Would help if we came out with a completely concrete slapdown to Lovren, because, as I've said for a very, very long time now, Spider will be next to try to force a move, then Clyne. We have £50 million in the bank and stable finances. My bet is that we can, as much as we'd prefer not to, accept paying his wages while he strikes and accept we might lose the transfer fee, and just give him the choice of wasting a year of his career or playing for us. Osvaldo must be loving it - it's like a school playground where you can get away with just about anything. Let's knock it on the head and reassert a bit of control here. He's under contract - go ahead and strike - it's your career. We'll buy in a replacement and you can spend a year of your career kicking your heels. Fine by us. SaintJD
  • Score: 7

10:19am Thu 3 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Having read the very good comments posted here I am beginning to wonder if a much clearer picture emerging.

Only an observation but are we saying that a 30,000 seat stadium just isn't big enough to keep the players and maintain the ambition. You need a minimum of perhaps 50,000 do play with the big boys.

Anything else is meaningless
St Mary's is very rarely sold out. The board would not sanction another £60m on increasing the capacity if there is not much chance of filling it.
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: Having read the very good comments posted here I am beginning to wonder if a much clearer picture emerging. Only an observation but are we saying that a 30,000 seat stadium just isn't big enough to keep the players and maintain the ambition. You need a minimum of perhaps 50,000 do play with the big boys. Anything else is meaningless[/p][/quote]St Mary's is very rarely sold out. The board would not sanction another £60m on increasing the capacity if there is not much chance of filling it. costa gaz
  • Score: 0

10:23am Thu 3 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Alicesdad wrote:
There may be trouble ahead,
But while there's music and moonlight,
And love and romance,
Let's face the music and dance.
Before the fiddlers have fled,
Before they ask us to pay the bill,
And while we still have that chance,
Let's face the music and dance.
Soon, we'll be without the moon,
Humming a different tune, and then,
There may be teardrops to shed,
So while there's music and moonlight,
And love and romance,
Let's face the music and dance.
Next three songs.

Wind of Change - Scorpions

Don't look Back in Anger - Oasis

Always Look on the Bright Side of Life - Monty Python.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: There may be trouble ahead, But while there's music and moonlight, And love and romance, Let's face the music and dance. Before the fiddlers have fled, Before they ask us to pay the bill, And while we still have that chance, Let's face the music and dance. Soon, we'll be without the moon, Humming a different tune, and then, There may be teardrops to shed, So while there's music and moonlight, And love and romance, Let's face the music and dance.[/p][/quote]Next three songs. Wind of Change - Scorpions Don't look Back in Anger - Oasis Always Look on the Bright Side of Life - Monty Python. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

10:25am Thu 3 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
I'm sure that Lovren will not have had the time to sit with Koeman. Post that meeting, if he still wants to go, then sell him for as much as we can. I will be sad to see him go as I think he's currently the best centre half in the league and will be a far greater loss than the three that have gone so far this close season.
As I said with Adam, sorry, but no, no, no. I can't believe we're still having this conversation but if we sell every player who wants to leave just because we can't convince them to stay (because they have offers of big contracts from big clubs) we will have NOBODY left.

The more players that hold us to ransom, the more we will have wanting to follow them.

If I were Spider or Cork, J-Rod or Clyne and we sold ALL our very best players, yes, I too would start to question the ambition of the club, even if I'd previously been happy.

You simply CANNOT allow players to walk all over you.

Lovren is throwing his toys out of the pram? Do you have kids? What you don't do in any circumstances is bow to it. If you do you the problem just gets worse and worse.

NO we do not let him leave for the right price. We tell him he's contracted for three years and frankly tell him that he must understand that no Premier League club can afford to replace seven or eight first team players in one season - it is just far too risky in terms of Premier League survival.

We are showing everyone that our players are for sale and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

If I were Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool or Spurs I'd now be looking at the prices we got for Adam and Luke and thinking 'we'd be better off buying these players before their price goes up'.

If those clubs have any sort of a brain, they'd be making cheeky bids for JWP, Chambers and Clyne right about now.

Board needs to make a massive statement and 'thank you Dejan' you've given them the perfect opportunity to do it.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: I'm sure that Lovren will not have had the time to sit with Koeman. Post that meeting, if he still wants to go, then sell him for as much as we can. I will be sad to see him go as I think he's currently the best centre half in the league and will be a far greater loss than the three that have gone so far this close season.[/p][/quote]As I said with Adam, sorry, but no, no, no. I can't believe we're still having this conversation but if we sell every player who wants to leave just because we can't convince them to stay (because they have offers of big contracts from big clubs) we will have NOBODY left. The more players that hold us to ransom, the more we will have wanting to follow them. If I were Spider or Cork, J-Rod or Clyne and we sold ALL our very best players, yes, I too would start to question the ambition of the club, even if I'd previously been happy. You simply CANNOT allow players to walk all over you. Lovren is throwing his toys out of the pram? Do you have kids? What you don't do in any circumstances is bow to it. If you do you the problem just gets worse and worse. NO we do not let him leave for the right price. We tell him he's contracted for three years and frankly tell him that he must understand that no Premier League club can afford to replace seven or eight first team players in one season - it is just far too risky in terms of Premier League survival. We are showing everyone that our players are for sale and this is just the tip of the iceberg. If I were Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool or Spurs I'd now be looking at the prices we got for Adam and Luke and thinking 'we'd be better off buying these players before their price goes up'. If those clubs have any sort of a brain, they'd be making cheeky bids for JWP, Chambers and Clyne right about now. Board needs to make a massive statement and 'thank you Dejan' you've given them the perfect opportunity to do it. SaintJD
  • Score: 9

10:26am Thu 3 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.
Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners.

The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club.

The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.
Said the same before this happened Seed 50 million and we would leap the great divide, now what..shame indeed if the board do not come clean and give us a root and branch explanation I a'int going.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.[/p][/quote]Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners. The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club. The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.[/p][/quote]Said the same before this happened Seed 50 million and we would leap the great divide, now what..shame indeed if the board do not come clean and give us a root and branch explanation I a'int going. warrens 76
  • Score: 2

10:28am Thu 3 Jul 14

right back in the bar says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
Who believes in Reed? I don't and got shouted down. He's laid waste wherever he has been and since Cortese moved out hes grabbed more power. Well all this is his responsibility now so he should take the fall. The Burkleigh Hunt.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]Who believes in Reed? I don't and got shouted down. He's laid waste wherever he has been and since Cortese moved out hes grabbed more power. Well all this is his responsibility now so he should take the fall. The Burkleigh Hunt. right back in the bar
  • Score: 5

10:32am Thu 3 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

Why are all these players leaving.... are they not aware that we've got LED floodlights.
Why are all these players leaving.... are they not aware that we've got LED floodlights. costa gaz
  • Score: 12

10:34am Thu 3 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Alicesdad wrote:
There may be trouble ahead,
But while there's music and moonlight,
And love and romance,
Let's face the music and dance.
Before the fiddlers have fled,
Before they ask us to pay the bill,
And while we still have that chance,
Let's face the music and dance.
Soon, we'll be without the moon,
Humming a different tune, and then,
There may be teardrops to shed,
So while there's music and moonlight,
And love and romance,
Let's face the music and dance.
Top turn
Comment of the year
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: There may be trouble ahead, But while there's music and moonlight, And love and romance, Let's face the music and dance. Before the fiddlers have fled, Before they ask us to pay the bill, And while we still have that chance, Let's face the music and dance. Soon, we'll be without the moon, Humming a different tune, and then, There may be teardrops to shed, So while there's music and moonlight, And love and romance, Let's face the music and dance.[/p][/quote]Top turn Comment of the year Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 1

10:35am Thu 3 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

costa gaz wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Having read the very good comments posted here I am beginning to wonder if a much clearer picture emerging.

Only an observation but are we saying that a 30,000 seat stadium just isn't big enough to keep the players and maintain the ambition. You need a minimum of perhaps 50,000 do play with the big boys.

Anything else is meaningless
St Mary's is very rarely sold out. The board would not sanction another £60m on increasing the capacity if there is not much chance of filling it.
There have been many times when I cannot get a ticket even though it is not a full house…..pay on the day is rarely an option and then you have to have an address be on the databse bla bla…Saints do not make it easy for themselves it is not a lack of fans just unneccessary complication.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: Having read the very good comments posted here I am beginning to wonder if a much clearer picture emerging. Only an observation but are we saying that a 30,000 seat stadium just isn't big enough to keep the players and maintain the ambition. You need a minimum of perhaps 50,000 do play with the big boys. Anything else is meaningless[/p][/quote]St Mary's is very rarely sold out. The board would not sanction another £60m on increasing the capacity if there is not much chance of filling it.[/p][/quote]There have been many times when I cannot get a ticket even though it is not a full house…..pay on the day is rarely an option and then you have to have an address be on the databse bla bla…Saints do not make it easy for themselves it is not a lack of fans just unneccessary complication. warrens 76
  • Score: 4

10:47am Thu 3 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

warrens 76 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Having read the very good comments posted here I am beginning to wonder if a much clearer picture emerging.

Only an observation but are we saying that a 30,000 seat stadium just isn't big enough to keep the players and maintain the ambition. You need a minimum of perhaps 50,000 do play with the big boys.

Anything else is meaningless
St Mary's is very rarely sold out. The board would not sanction another £60m on increasing the capacity if there is not much chance of filling it.
There have been many times when I cannot get a ticket even though it is not a full house…..pay on the day is rarely an option and then you have to have an address be on the databse bla bla…Saints do not make it easy for themselves it is not a lack of fans just unneccessary complication.
Fair point 76, it does seem impossible to pay on the day for a casual fan. but most PL clubs operate much like this.
Our fill rate was the forth lowest in the league, only Palace, Sunderland and Villa were below us.
An average of 2000 empty seats every game... I can not really see an increase anytime soon.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: Having read the very good comments posted here I am beginning to wonder if a much clearer picture emerging. Only an observation but are we saying that a 30,000 seat stadium just isn't big enough to keep the players and maintain the ambition. You need a minimum of perhaps 50,000 do play with the big boys. Anything else is meaningless[/p][/quote]St Mary's is very rarely sold out. The board would not sanction another £60m on increasing the capacity if there is not much chance of filling it.[/p][/quote]There have been many times when I cannot get a ticket even though it is not a full house…..pay on the day is rarely an option and then you have to have an address be on the databse bla bla…Saints do not make it easy for themselves it is not a lack of fans just unneccessary complication.[/p][/quote]Fair point 76, it does seem impossible to pay on the day for a casual fan. but most PL clubs operate much like this. Our fill rate was the forth lowest in the league, only Palace, Sunderland and Villa were below us. An average of 2000 empty seats every game... I can not really see an increase anytime soon. costa gaz
  • Score: 3

11:05am Thu 3 Jul 14

george chivers says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.
Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners.

The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club.

The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.
Said the same before this happened Seed 50 million and we would leap the great divide, now what..shame indeed if the board do not come clean and give us a root and branch explanation I a'int going.
Why should a private company give it's customers an explanation? Does Seedhouse give his customers explanations about the coming and goings of his employees.

Just because we support a football club doesn't mean we are owed anything by that club. We are punters not family.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.[/p][/quote]Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners. The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club. The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.[/p][/quote]Said the same before this happened Seed 50 million and we would leap the great divide, now what..shame indeed if the board do not come clean and give us a root and branch explanation I a'int going.[/p][/quote]Why should a private company give it's customers an explanation? Does Seedhouse give his customers explanations about the coming and goings of his employees. Just because we support a football club doesn't mean we are owed anything by that club. We are punters not family. george chivers
  • Score: 6

11:10am Thu 3 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

this `vision` thing that people keep bringing up is all well and good as an excuse but thin about it for one minute.
Dejan left a champs league club to come to saints where apparently he was told by the wonderful NC that saints would be in the champs league in a couple of years.
did anyone really believe that in 2 years saints would be challenging the likes of manure, mancy, diverpooh, arsenil or chelski? throw into that the other teams ahead of us like spuds and everton. we finished 14th in the league and dejan was told that we would climb above those teams into 4th in just a couple of years! surely he cant have believed that could he? I didn't, I do believe we could get there but its at least 4-5yrs away.

costa gaz, you said that we cant stop paying him and we cant let him `rot` in the reserves. well I have to agree that we cant dump him in the reserves because there is a loophole, which I pointed out earlier, that being that players can cancel their contracts if they don't play 10% of the clubs competitive games, so we could play him for 4-5 games a season and the rest in the reserves if we wanted, you said the club wouldn't do that for the obvious financial reasons. well he has 3yrs left on his contract so a year on and he would have 2 left so nowhere near a bosman and we would still get a good price if we decided to sell. we can stop paying him as well, its not just players who have lawyers and agents sorting out contracts, clubs do as well! there are also strict guidelines set b the prem and pfa that contracts have to adhere to. players have gone on `strike` before, tevez at mancy for one, he refused to play/come on as a sub and was found guilty by the club of gross misconduct and was fined 4 weeks wages, just under £800k. he was then also docked 2 weeks wages. mancy then put him on `gardening leave` but as I said before they had to prove they were willing to play him for at least 10% of the games. clubs are able and do take action against players that refuse to play so saying we cant is just plain wrong!

having said that, has he actually said he is refusing to play? again as I said before the echo are so far the only source of this news and it hasn't been picked up by any of the `big` news/sports outlets. sky sports are usually very good at getting these stories but they haven't run with it, yet.
hes on official time off after the world cup so we will only know when he is due back, if he does a Osvaldo then, then we will all know the truth, until then or until we hear different I`m prepared to give him the benefit of doubt!
this `vision` thing that people keep bringing up is all well and good as an excuse but thin about it for one minute. Dejan left a champs league club to come to saints where apparently he was told by the wonderful NC that saints would be in the champs league in a couple of years. did anyone really believe that in 2 years saints would be challenging the likes of manure, mancy, diverpooh, arsenil or chelski? throw into that the other teams ahead of us like spuds and everton. we finished 14th in the league and dejan was told that we would climb above those teams into 4th in just a couple of years! surely he cant have believed that could he? I didn't, I do believe we could get there but its at least 4-5yrs away. costa gaz, you said that we cant stop paying him and we cant let him `rot` in the reserves. well I have to agree that we cant dump him in the reserves because there is a loophole, which I pointed out earlier, that being that players can cancel their contracts if they don't play 10% of the clubs competitive games, so we could play him for 4-5 games a season and the rest in the reserves if we wanted, you said the club wouldn't do that for the obvious financial reasons. well he has 3yrs left on his contract so a year on and he would have 2 left so nowhere near a bosman and we would still get a good price if we decided to sell. we can stop paying him as well, its not just players who have lawyers and agents sorting out contracts, clubs do as well! there are also strict guidelines set b the prem and pfa that contracts have to adhere to. players have gone on `strike` before, tevez at mancy for one, he refused to play/come on as a sub and was found guilty by the club of gross misconduct and was fined 4 weeks wages, just under £800k. he was then also docked 2 weeks wages. mancy then put him on `gardening leave` but as I said before they had to prove they were willing to play him for at least 10% of the games. clubs are able and do take action against players that refuse to play so saying we cant is just plain wrong! having said that, has he actually said he is refusing to play? again as I said before the echo are so far the only source of this news and it hasn't been picked up by any of the `big` news/sports outlets. sky sports are usually very good at getting these stories but they haven't run with it, yet. hes on official time off after the world cup so we will only know when he is due back, if he does a Osvaldo then, then we will all know the truth, until then or until we hear different I`m prepared to give him the benefit of doubt! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -2

11:10am Thu 3 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

If you want to join the big boys you have to act like the big boys…

..none of our top 5 would ever be bigger than the club, put in the reserves market value, endorsements and wages, appearance fee's seriously plummeting and it would not take long for them to come to their senses..

Breach of contract is what the club could sue them for and several months pay gone or seriously reduced and legal bills to pay does focus the mind…plus they will miss playing, fact.
If you want to join the big boys you have to act like the big boys… ..none of our top 5 would ever be bigger than the club, put in the reserves market value, endorsements and wages, appearance fee's seriously plummeting and it would not take long for them to come to their senses.. Breach of contract is what the club could sue them for and several months pay gone or seriously reduced and legal bills to pay does focus the mind…plus they will miss playing, fact. warrens 76
  • Score: 6

11:14am Thu 3 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

george chivers wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.
Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners.

The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club.

The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.
Said the same before this happened Seed 50 million and we would leap the great divide, now what..shame indeed if the board do not come clean and give us a root and branch explanation I a'int going.
Why should a private company give it's customers an explanation? Does Seedhouse give his customers explanations about the coming and goings of his employees.

Just because we support a football club doesn't mean we are owed anything by that club. We are punters not family.
Simple, if the board do not give an explanation and the fans start to blame them the value of the club will plummet as supporters desert à la Lowe…the board of any company know the importance of public relaions with their customers…no statement and we draw our own conclusions...
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.[/p][/quote]Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners. The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club. The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.[/p][/quote]Said the same before this happened Seed 50 million and we would leap the great divide, now what..shame indeed if the board do not come clean and give us a root and branch explanation I a'int going.[/p][/quote]Why should a private company give it's customers an explanation? Does Seedhouse give his customers explanations about the coming and goings of his employees. Just because we support a football club doesn't mean we are owed anything by that club. We are punters not family.[/p][/quote]Simple, if the board do not give an explanation and the fans start to blame them the value of the club will plummet as supporters desert à la Lowe…the board of any company know the importance of public relaions with their customers…no statement and we draw our own conclusions... warrens 76
  • Score: 4

11:16am Thu 3 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
killared wrote:
I'd say take the money and invest on somebody with heart and Loyalty . I remember when he used to play for Lyon in France the guy was really awful Jean Michel Aulas Lyon Chairman even laugh at us when we bought him for 8.5 million !
The player I watched last season was outstanding.
outstanding in many games... dire in too many for me.... dire relatively speaking of course for the money we paid. He is a talent but there are others out there and if anyone can find a CH. Tintin can.....
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: I'd say take the money and invest on somebody with heart and Loyalty . I remember when he used to play for Lyon in France the guy was really awful Jean Michel Aulas Lyon Chairman even laugh at us when we bought him for 8.5 million ![/p][/quote]The player I watched last season was outstanding.[/p][/quote]outstanding in many games... dire in too many for me.... dire relatively speaking of course for the money we paid. He is a talent but there are others out there and if anyone can find a CH. Tintin can..... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 0

11:20am Thu 3 Jul 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

Alicesdad wrote:
There may be trouble ahead,
But while there's music and moonlight,
And love and romance,
Let's face the music and dance.
Before the fiddlers have fled,
Before they ask us to pay the bill,
And while we still have that chance,
Let's face the music and dance.
Soon, we'll be without the moon,
Humming a different tune, and then,
There may be teardrops to shed,
So while there's music and moonlight,
And love and romance,
Let's face the music and dance.
You old romantic, you
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: There may be trouble ahead, But while there's music and moonlight, And love and romance, Let's face the music and dance. Before the fiddlers have fled, Before they ask us to pay the bill, And while we still have that chance, Let's face the music and dance. Soon, we'll be without the moon, Humming a different tune, and then, There may be teardrops to shed, So while there's music and moonlight, And love and romance, Let's face the music and dance.[/p][/quote]You old romantic, you Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 3

11:21am Thu 3 Jul 14

george chivers says...

warrens 76 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.
Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners.

The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club.

The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.
Said the same before this happened Seed 50 million and we would leap the great divide, now what..shame indeed if the board do not come clean and give us a root and branch explanation I a'int going.
Why should a private company give it's customers an explanation? Does Seedhouse give his customers explanations about the coming and goings of his employees.

Just because we support a football club doesn't mean we are owed anything by that club. We are punters not family.
Simple, if the board do not give an explanation and the fans start to blame them the value of the club will plummet as supporters desert à la Lowe…the board of any company know the importance of public relaions with their customers…no statement and we draw our own conclusions...
I think we are a long way from that. If we don't have a decent team by the start of the season that could happen. But I don't think we are going to get many explanations. The club has a sack full of cash from many sources, it won't be in the mood to give out explanations. Cortese didn't and wouldn't if he was still with us.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.[/p][/quote]Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners. The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club. The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.[/p][/quote]Said the same before this happened Seed 50 million and we would leap the great divide, now what..shame indeed if the board do not come clean and give us a root and branch explanation I a'int going.[/p][/quote]Why should a private company give it's customers an explanation? Does Seedhouse give his customers explanations about the coming and goings of his employees. Just because we support a football club doesn't mean we are owed anything by that club. We are punters not family.[/p][/quote]Simple, if the board do not give an explanation and the fans start to blame them the value of the club will plummet as supporters desert à la Lowe…the board of any company know the importance of public relaions with their customers…no statement and we draw our own conclusions...[/p][/quote]I think we are a long way from that. If we don't have a decent team by the start of the season that could happen. But I don't think we are going to get many explanations. The club has a sack full of cash from many sources, it won't be in the mood to give out explanations. Cortese didn't and wouldn't if he was still with us. george chivers
  • Score: 4

11:21am Thu 3 Jul 14

itsnotjustice says...

if this is all true then the guy is a complete and utter pr1ck..

saints should refuse to let him leave, if he doesnt show up for training then just dont pay him... keep him under contract for the next three years and see how many clubs are interested in him then...

id rather the club loose any fee and make a stand on this one and show that we will not be bullied or dictated to by any one.
if this is all true then the guy is a complete and utter pr1ck.. saints should refuse to let him leave, if he doesnt show up for training then just dont pay him... keep him under contract for the next three years and see how many clubs are interested in him then... id rather the club loose any fee and make a stand on this one and show that we will not be bullied or dictated to by any one. itsnotjustice
  • Score: 1

11:28am Thu 3 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

george chivers wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.
Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners.

The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club.

The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.
Said the same before this happened Seed 50 million and we would leap the great divide, now what..shame indeed if the board do not come clean and give us a root and branch explanation I a'int going.
Why should a private company give it's customers an explanation? Does Seedhouse give his customers explanations about the coming and goings of his employees.

Just because we support a football club doesn't mean we are owed anything by that club. We are punters not family.
Have to agree with Chipmonk. Basically I do think Cortese sold a vision that frankly neither Markus or Katherina had actually bought into in terms of the top three aspirations.

That's why the relationship broke down.

Personally though I blame Cortese for setting the bar beyond our financial scope - selling something that actually wasn't ever viable.

The sad thing is that, Lovren, Poch and possibly Gaston/Osvaldo aside, I don't think that the other members of the squad needed to have their expectations raised that high to have been happy previously.

Adam, Spider, Rickie etc would have been perfectly happy if we'd have sold them mid-table Premier League until we started talking top three last summer. But, if you tell them that before consulting the owner and then snatch it away from them, sure, they might be dissallusioned.

Cortese acted a little bit like the players are now but Katharina didn't like to be bullied. Just wish she could show the same level of leadership now and put these guys back in their place.

It's her money - she effectively pays their wages and they are still legally her employees. They need to be reminded who owns the cards because people who say the players and agents have control are wrong. MONEY has control.

What it takes is for someone to access losing money by making a stand and forcing the player to work out his contract.

For all the talk of contracts being worthless, players simply cannot play for another club if they are contracted. If this were not the case why don't players just switch clubs every transfer window?

OK, so the players union will say it's all very unfair and Lovren won't be happy but so what? Someone needs to make a stand.

And, if we made that stand I can guarantee that there would be a queue of clubs and fans and pundits literally queuing up to pat us on the back and thank us for saying enough is enough.

Take the loss on his wages and transfer fee and make a stand. The only thing stopping us is the thought of losing a few quid.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.[/p][/quote]Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners. The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club. The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.[/p][/quote]Said the same before this happened Seed 50 million and we would leap the great divide, now what..shame indeed if the board do not come clean and give us a root and branch explanation I a'int going.[/p][/quote]Why should a private company give it's customers an explanation? Does Seedhouse give his customers explanations about the coming and goings of his employees. Just because we support a football club doesn't mean we are owed anything by that club. We are punters not family.[/p][/quote]Have to agree with Chipmonk. Basically I do think Cortese sold a vision that frankly neither Markus or Katherina had actually bought into in terms of the top three aspirations. That's why the relationship broke down. Personally though I blame Cortese for setting the bar beyond our financial scope - selling something that actually wasn't ever viable. The sad thing is that, Lovren, Poch and possibly Gaston/Osvaldo aside, I don't think that the other members of the squad needed to have their expectations raised that high to have been happy previously. Adam, Spider, Rickie etc would have been perfectly happy if we'd have sold them mid-table Premier League until we started talking top three last summer. But, if you tell them that before consulting the owner and then snatch it away from them, sure, they might be dissallusioned. Cortese acted a little bit like the players are now but Katharina didn't like to be bullied. Just wish she could show the same level of leadership now and put these guys back in their place. It's her money - she effectively pays their wages and they are still legally her employees. They need to be reminded who owns the cards because people who say the players and agents have control are wrong. MONEY has control. What it takes is for someone to access losing money by making a stand and forcing the player to work out his contract. For all the talk of contracts being worthless, players simply cannot play for another club if they are contracted. If this were not the case why don't players just switch clubs every transfer window? OK, so the players union will say it's all very unfair and Lovren won't be happy but so what? Someone needs to make a stand. And, if we made that stand I can guarantee that there would be a queue of clubs and fans and pundits literally queuing up to pat us on the back and thank us for saying enough is enough. Take the loss on his wages and transfer fee and make a stand. The only thing stopping us is the thought of losing a few quid. SaintJD
  • Score: 11

11:29am Thu 3 Jul 14

LFCalways says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
If I was Les Reed I'd be working very hard behind the scenes to ensure that if we do sell Lovren then it is NOT to Liverpool.

Sell him abroad, Christ, sell him to pretty much any other Premier League team, but please don't sell to Liverpool. They are quite literally a bunch of c***s.
Won't happen only the club can accept the fee, but the player with agent choose were he goes....so saints board have no control!
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: If I was Les Reed I'd be working very hard behind the scenes to ensure that if we do sell Lovren then it is NOT to Liverpool. Sell him abroad, Christ, sell him to pretty much any other Premier League team, but please don't sell to Liverpool. They are quite literally a bunch of c***s.[/p][/quote]Won't happen only the club can accept the fee, but the player with agent choose were he goes....so saints board have no control! LFCalways
  • Score: -2

11:31am Thu 3 Jul 14

bathsaints says...

I think we'd all like the board to be a bit clearer in what is going in and about their vision etc but chances are we'll continue to just have to speculate. I would hate to see Lovren go as he made a huge impact on our defensive stability. We should take a hard line and keep hold of our best players but conversely anyone that refuses to play and is in danger of damaging the team and family ethic should be moved on for the best possible price. There is a lot of talk about the visiion that Cortese sold regarding champions league footie; this would be great to achieve and is more realistic if players want to stay and work hard to get there rather than jumping ship for ready made quick fix opportunities but as a fan I would also like to retain some integrity in what we do and how we achieve things. Build sustainably, play good football, develop young players who want to stay and ply their trade not just pursue the big payday etc....if we can do this and consistently challenge top 8 and some good cup runs I would see this as progress..look at Everton as an example of well run, good football and consistently challenging the big boys even if they never quite going to make it. We probably can't make CL unless someone is going to throw 100's of millions of pounds at us and that instantly destroys so much of the heart of the club. Lets suprise a few people this season who have written us off, lets unearth some new talent, and lets play some exciting fotball with more end product then under MoPo and lets move away from this daily apparent bad news seeking to undermine our great club
I think we'd all like the board to be a bit clearer in what is going in and about their vision etc but chances are we'll continue to just have to speculate. I would hate to see Lovren go as he made a huge impact on our defensive stability. We should take a hard line and keep hold of our best players but conversely anyone that refuses to play and is in danger of damaging the team and family ethic should be moved on for the best possible price. There is a lot of talk about the visiion that Cortese sold regarding champions league footie; this would be great to achieve and is more realistic if players want to stay and work hard to get there rather than jumping ship for ready made quick fix opportunities but as a fan I would also like to retain some integrity in what we do and how we achieve things. Build sustainably, play good football, develop young players who want to stay and ply their trade not just pursue the big payday etc....if we can do this and consistently challenge top 8 and some good cup runs I would see this as progress..look at Everton as an example of well run, good football and consistently challenging the big boys even if they never quite going to make it. We probably can't make CL unless someone is going to throw 100's of millions of pounds at us and that instantly destroys so much of the heart of the club. Lets suprise a few people this season who have written us off, lets unearth some new talent, and lets play some exciting fotball with more end product then under MoPo and lets move away from this daily apparent bad news seeking to undermine our great club bathsaints
  • Score: 4

11:31am Thu 3 Jul 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

SodburySaint93 wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
SaintinCanada wrote:
How about "No-play, no pay".....?
Can't ...... Not in their contract , maximum 2 week wage fine ! Agents and the players sadly have the control ............Like MoPo Saints was just a stepping stone !

Sell him and then snap him first game of the season !
Surely the contract says he has to attend training and be available for team selection.

Sorry DL, if the £20m has not been reached, you play for Saints - can't have it both ways.
SodburySaint93 is 100% right.

If he doesn't train he doesn't get paid.

What's the odds Liverpool have already said to him "we'll compensate any losses..."
[quote][p][bold]SodburySaint93[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: How about "No-play, no pay".....?[/p][/quote]Can't ...... Not in their contract , maximum 2 week wage fine ! Agents and the players sadly have the control ............Like MoPo Saints was just a stepping stone ! Sell him and then snap him first game of the season ![/p][/quote]Surely the contract says he has to attend training and be available for team selection. Sorry DL, if the £20m has not been reached, you play for Saints - can't have it both ways.[/p][/quote]SodburySaint93 is 100% right. If he doesn't train he doesn't get paid. What's the odds Liverpool have already said to him "we'll compensate any losses..." SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 3

11:33am Thu 3 Jul 14

ShanoBrizzy says...

SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
Keep him hanging until the TRANSFER deadline , closes . No pre season games and training. NO WAGES !! And then after the transfer window closes , no chance to move . Play him at his own GAME
..agree. and change the headline to "Saints to make Dejan Lovren to stay after pre-season no-show".. Doesn't play, breach of contract, no pay. Plays and plays poorly, other clubs will see his mentality and they will lose interest. Plays poorly, cheeses of team mates, will be dropped to reserves and forgotten by other clubs. Saints have a contract and should make a stand!!
[quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: Keep him hanging until the TRANSFER deadline , closes . No pre season games and training. NO WAGES !! And then after the transfer window closes , no chance to move . Play him at his own GAME[/p][/quote]..agree. and change the headline to "Saints to make Dejan Lovren to stay after pre-season no-show".. Doesn't play, breach of contract, no pay. Plays and plays poorly, other clubs will see his mentality and they will lose interest. Plays poorly, cheeses of team mates, will be dropped to reserves and forgotten by other clubs. Saints have a contract and should make a stand!! ShanoBrizzy
  • Score: 2

11:33am Thu 3 Jul 14

echo1948 says...

I think we are being diluded if we are thinking that we can build a team in 6 weeks. I also think that RK will not have all of the transfer money to spend. He,ll be lucky if he gets half of it So trying to replace transfered players is going to be hard no matter who the manager is. I can only see a season of struggle now that the heart of last season,s team has gone.
I think we are being diluded if we are thinking that we can build a team in 6 weeks. I also think that RK will not have all of the transfer money to spend. He,ll be lucky if he gets half of it So trying to replace transfered players is going to be hard no matter who the manager is. I can only see a season of struggle now that the heart of last season,s team has gone. echo1948
  • Score: 0

11:39am Thu 3 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

george chivers wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.
Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners.

The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club.

The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.
This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club.

And this is the bit that has me crying into my beer. It will always be the big what if as we look back.
But you are both ignoring the point Chipmonk1 made about the financial rules. If we don't have the revenue streams then we will trade insolvently and will suffer punishment in the U.K. and in Europe that will knock us backwards and the investment will be wasted or lost completely.

And as I have said before does KL want to use HER money that way?

Probably not I would say and she has employed a board which reflect that view.

After all she is the financial shareholder which doesn't mean she is an emotional share holder like us. We are emotional shareholders by choice. She is the owner and financial shareholder by inheritance and default, not by choice.

There lies the rub. Why should she invest her money in the risky business of football which probably won't give her a return. SFC is not
a rich girl's toy she would choose to buy. And she has no responsibility to follow her father's wishes, whatever they may have been. I don't think we have missed an opportunity I don't think that opportunity was ever there from the day KL inherited SFC.

As an aside and I have no evidence for this, just a gut feel, I think she fell out with Cortese over the funding of the Osvaldo deal which I think was done through a bank in the Virgin Islands using the club as collateral. (As reported by the DE). My feeling is this was done outside his remit and he took a gamble hoping to over achieve and make the top six. Unfortunately for him the gamble didn't come off.
George we've done this one before. You are allowed to lose something like £40m over three years, can't remember exactly now, we are no where near that so financial fairplay rules don't come into it. If we had a smart chairman he would have done a 'sponsorship deal' with the Liebherr group thereby getting cash into the business AND increasing its revenues and thereby the amount allowed to be spent on wages. Very simple very effective but no, he's done a deal with a business smaller than my own and whilst I nearly did a deal with Eastleigh as much as I love my company I don't see us as a Premier League shirt sponsor. The deal he has done is embarrassing.

You're point about Fat not wanting to spend her money on the club she inherited from her father is fair enough. So facking sell it to someone who does! Why oh why didn't she stand up and say 'this was my fathers project and I don't want to continue with it so I am going to go through the process of screening potential buyers who will take this club, it's players and fans forward.' The club could have been sold, intact, for a profit - everyone's a winner! What does it owe her? £13m purchase and £30m debt to equity - you telling me a decent buyer couldn't be found for £50m ffs?
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.[/p][/quote]Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners. The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club. The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.[/p][/quote]This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club. And this is the bit that has me crying into my beer. It will always be the big what if as we look back.[/p][/quote]But you are both ignoring the point Chipmonk1 made about the financial rules. If we don't have the revenue streams then we will trade insolvently and will suffer punishment in the U.K. and in Europe that will knock us backwards and the investment will be wasted or lost completely. And as I have said before does KL want to use HER money that way? Probably not I would say and she has employed a board which reflect that view. After all she is the financial shareholder which doesn't mean she is an emotional share holder like us. We are emotional shareholders by choice. She is the owner and financial shareholder by inheritance and default, not by choice. There lies the rub. Why should she invest her money in the risky business of football which probably won't give her a return. SFC is not a rich girl's toy she would choose to buy. And she has no responsibility to follow her father's wishes, whatever they may have been. I don't think we have missed an opportunity I don't think that opportunity was ever there from the day KL inherited SFC. As an aside and I have no evidence for this, just a gut feel, I think she fell out with Cortese over the funding of the Osvaldo deal which I think was done through a bank in the Virgin Islands using the club as collateral. (As reported by the DE). My feeling is this was done outside his remit and he took a gamble hoping to over achieve and make the top six. Unfortunately for him the gamble didn't come off.[/p][/quote]George we've done this one before. You are allowed to lose something like £40m over three years, can't remember exactly now, we are no where near that so financial fairplay rules don't come into it. If we had a smart chairman he would have done a 'sponsorship deal' with the Liebherr group thereby getting cash into the business AND increasing its revenues and thereby the amount allowed to be spent on wages. Very simple very effective but no, he's done a deal with a business smaller than my own and whilst I nearly did a deal with Eastleigh as much as I love my company I don't see us as a Premier League shirt sponsor. The deal he has done is embarrassing. You're point about Fat not wanting to spend her money on the club she inherited from her father is fair enough. So facking sell it to someone who does! Why oh why didn't she stand up and say 'this was my fathers project and I don't want to continue with it so I am going to go through the process of screening potential buyers who will take this club, it's players and fans forward.' The club could have been sold, intact, for a profit - everyone's a winner! What does it owe her? £13m purchase and £30m debt to equity - you telling me a decent buyer couldn't be found for £50m ffs? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -3

11:47am Thu 3 Jul 14

Mick,Derby says...

Players and their agents are in total control.
Contracts are meaningless.
There is no loyalty whatsoever to the club.
Board management are weak and have n guts to tackle the problem.
The FA stand by and do FA to change the system to enforce contracts.
The game is corrupt, driven by greed , players wages that no club can afford, and the totally unfair way in which 4 or 5 clubs can help themselves to the very best talent, even if they are debt ridden.
Why do we fans put up with it?
Even the controlling body, FIFA wont clean up the stable, because they are equally corrupt.
Players and their agents are in total control. Contracts are meaningless. There is no loyalty whatsoever to the club. Board management are weak and have n guts to tackle the problem. The FA stand by and do FA to change the system to enforce contracts. The game is corrupt, driven by greed , players wages that no club can afford, and the totally unfair way in which 4 or 5 clubs can help themselves to the very best talent, even if they are debt ridden. Why do we fans put up with it? Even the controlling body, FIFA wont clean up the stable, because they are equally corrupt. Mick,Derby
  • Score: 3

11:50am Thu 3 Jul 14

NewForestStu says...

He will go now because SFC board have been extremely naive and weak this whole summer. They needed to stand firm from the start but buckled and now the house of cards are simply rolling on. As someone said yesterday when i mentioned he could go on strike, thats find...we stop paying him. In an ideal world thst is what i would like Les to do to show that the rot is to stop however we know he is as good as gone. Just MS to follow andthat is all i think we will lose.

Gutted as i truly believe with a few good signings we could have upset a few clubs....alas the ride is over and mediocrity beckons. Lets see how well we spend all this loot....Spurs did wonders didnt they.
He will go now because SFC board have been extremely naive and weak this whole summer. They needed to stand firm from the start but buckled and now the house of cards are simply rolling on. As someone said yesterday when i mentioned he could go on strike, thats find...we stop paying him. In an ideal world thst is what i would like Les to do to show that the rot is to stop however we know he is as good as gone. Just MS to follow andthat is all i think we will lose. Gutted as i truly believe with a few good signings we could have upset a few clubs....alas the ride is over and mediocrity beckons. Lets see how well we spend all this loot....Spurs did wonders didnt they. NewForestStu
  • Score: -2

11:53am Thu 3 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

I fear mid table mediocrity more than relegation. We finally had a chairman who was actually more ambitious than many of the fans, many of us started to really believe, we may have failed but so what, we were going to try - and striving for excellence is what it's all about in any walk of life.
I fear mid table mediocrity more than relegation. We finally had a chairman who was actually more ambitious than many of the fans, many of us started to really believe, we may have failed but so what, we were going to try - and striving for excellence is what it's all about in any walk of life. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -6

11:57am Thu 3 Jul 14

NewForestStu says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I fear mid table mediocrity more than relegation. We finally had a chairman who was actually more ambitious than many of the fans, many of us started to really believe, we may have failed but so what, we were going to try - and striving for excellence is what it's all about in any walk of life.
Agreed
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I fear mid table mediocrity more than relegation. We finally had a chairman who was actually more ambitious than many of the fans, many of us started to really believe, we may have failed but so what, we were going to try - and striving for excellence is what it's all about in any walk of life.[/p][/quote]Agreed NewForestStu
  • Score: -6

11:57am Thu 3 Jul 14

Chipmonk1 says...

george chivers wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.
Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners.

The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club.

The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.
This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club.

And this is the bit that has me crying into my beer. It will always be the big what if as we look back.
But you are both ignoring the point Chipmonk1 made about the financial rules. If we don't have the revenue streams then we will trade insolvently and will suffer punishment in the U.K. and in Europe that will knock us backwards and the investment will be wasted or lost completely.

And as I have said before does KL want to use HER money that way?

Probably not I would say and she has employed a board which reflect that view.

After all she is the financial shareholder which doesn't mean she is an emotional share holder like us. We are emotional shareholders by choice. She is the owner and financial shareholder by inheritance and default, not by choice.

There lies the rub. Why should she invest her money in the risky business of football which probably won't give her a return. SFC is not
a rich girl's toy she would choose to buy. And she has no responsibility to follow her father's wishes, whatever they may have been. I don't think we have missed an opportunity I don't think that opportunity was ever there from the day KL inherited SFC.

As an aside and I have no evidence for this, just a gut feel, I think she fell out with Cortese over the funding of the Osvaldo deal which I think was done through a bank in the Virgin Islands using the club as collateral. (As reported by the DE). My feeling is this was done outside his remit and he took a gamble hoping to over achieve and make the top six. Unfortunately for him the gamble didn't come off.
Thanks George. And I expect you as well as I would like to believe borrowing £50 million in unsecured money would have seen us leap frog Utd Spurs Everton and one of either City Chelsea Arsenal or Liverpool but given there revenue streams and transfer budgets I believe it would have been well short anyway and left us in a precarious financial situation. Possibly even having to sell players below market value. Taking a team like ours from league 1 to PL is one thing (and I am grateful to Cortese fir making that happen) but it is another thing all together to expect us to be in a position to leap frog at least 4 of the above mentioned clubs in just a few short years. I would prefer a marathon and sustainable push for the CL not a sprint likely to fail but certain to end in financial ruin. Skunts FC anyone? I also hate disagreeing with my fellow saints fans especially those whose opinions I respect and I look forward to hopefully talking about more enjoyable subjects than yet another want away acting unsaintly.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.[/p][/quote]Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners. The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club. The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.[/p][/quote]This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club. And this is the bit that has me crying into my beer. It will always be the big what if as we look back.[/p][/quote]But you are both ignoring the point Chipmonk1 made about the financial rules. If we don't have the revenue streams then we will trade insolvently and will suffer punishment in the U.K. and in Europe that will knock us backwards and the investment will be wasted or lost completely. And as I have said before does KL want to use HER money that way? Probably not I would say and she has employed a board which reflect that view. After all she is the financial shareholder which doesn't mean she is an emotional share holder like us. We are emotional shareholders by choice. She is the owner and financial shareholder by inheritance and default, not by choice. There lies the rub. Why should she invest her money in the risky business of football which probably won't give her a return. SFC is not a rich girl's toy she would choose to buy. And she has no responsibility to follow her father's wishes, whatever they may have been. I don't think we have missed an opportunity I don't think that opportunity was ever there from the day KL inherited SFC. As an aside and I have no evidence for this, just a gut feel, I think she fell out with Cortese over the funding of the Osvaldo deal which I think was done through a bank in the Virgin Islands using the club as collateral. (As reported by the DE). My feeling is this was done outside his remit and he took a gamble hoping to over achieve and make the top six. Unfortunately for him the gamble didn't come off.[/p][/quote]Thanks George. And I expect you as well as I would like to believe borrowing £50 million in unsecured money would have seen us leap frog Utd Spurs Everton and one of either City Chelsea Arsenal or Liverpool but given there revenue streams and transfer budgets I believe it would have been well short anyway and left us in a precarious financial situation. Possibly even having to sell players below market value. Taking a team like ours from league 1 to PL is one thing (and I am grateful to Cortese fir making that happen) but it is another thing all together to expect us to be in a position to leap frog at least 4 of the above mentioned clubs in just a few short years. I would prefer a marathon and sustainable push for the CL not a sprint likely to fail but certain to end in financial ruin. Skunts FC anyone? I also hate disagreeing with my fellow saints fans especially those whose opinions I respect and I look forward to hopefully talking about more enjoyable subjects than yet another want away acting unsaintly. Chipmonk1
  • Score: 5

12:23pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Kamawoop says...

It is clear NC's departure did signal a change of vision and direction. Whilst it appears his tenure ran the risk of boom, or bust; can only look at the facts and in during that time was all boom. Have no doubt our squad brought into the vision, so some understanding that the players also disheartened at finding the goal posts changing and feel they are no longer part of what they signed up for.

Then again it wasn't NC's money...
It is clear NC's departure did signal a change of vision and direction. Whilst it appears his tenure ran the risk of boom, or bust; can only look at the facts and in during that time was all boom. Have no doubt our squad brought into the vision, so some understanding that the players also disheartened at finding the goal posts changing and feel they are no longer part of what they signed up for. Then again it wasn't NC's money... Kamawoop
  • Score: 3

12:44pm Thu 3 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

Kamawoop wrote:
It is clear NC's departure did signal a change of vision and direction. Whilst it appears his tenure ran the risk of boom, or bust; can only look at the facts and in during that time was all boom. Have no doubt our squad brought into the vision, so some understanding that the players also disheartened at finding the goal posts changing and feel they are no longer part of what they signed up for.

Then again it wasn't NC's money...
Yeah, you could compare him to Tony Blair or Bertie Ahern - times were great under him.
[quote][p][bold]Kamawoop[/bold] wrote: It is clear NC's departure did signal a change of vision and direction. Whilst it appears his tenure ran the risk of boom, or bust; can only look at the facts and in during that time was all boom. Have no doubt our squad brought into the vision, so some understanding that the players also disheartened at finding the goal posts changing and feel they are no longer part of what they signed up for. Then again it wasn't NC's money...[/p][/quote]Yeah, you could compare him to Tony Blair or Bertie Ahern - times were great under him. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

12:47pm Thu 3 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

Wow. Don't know how I missed this report the other day - was it on the Echo site? Anyway, this is from a recent interview with Morgan published by Sky Sports website. So basically, in his mind, he's gone, much like the others:

The 24-year-old midfielder said at a press conference ahead of France’s last-16 encounter with Nigeria on Monday: “Listen, I’m aware of Southampton’s situation.

“On a personal level, the club know my position and know what I want to do. I had a good conversation with all the directors.

“I’ve been there for a long time now. We’ll see how things go, but the directors know my position and what my intentions are.

“Everyone has ambitions, everyone has his own future in his hands, so we’ll see. Every player wants to play on big occasions.”

Pressed further on whether he could follow former Southampton boss Mauricio Pochettino to White Hart Lane, Schneiderlin added: “I’m not saying anything.”
Wow. Don't know how I missed this report the other day - was it on the Echo site? Anyway, this is from a recent interview with Morgan published by Sky Sports website. So basically, in his mind, he's gone, much like the others: The 24-year-old midfielder said at a press conference ahead of France’s last-16 encounter with Nigeria on Monday: “Listen, I’m aware of Southampton’s situation. “On a personal level, the club know my position and know what I want to do. I had a good conversation with all the directors. “I’ve been there for a long time now. We’ll see how things go, but the directors know my position and what my intentions are. “Everyone has ambitions, everyone has his own future in his hands, so we’ll see. Every player wants to play on big occasions.” Pressed further on whether he could follow former Southampton boss Mauricio Pochettino to White Hart Lane, Schneiderlin added: “I’m not saying anything.” SaintJD
  • Score: 0

12:51pm Thu 3 Jul 14

7saint7 says...

Huge fines for him . We don't need to sell him so just hit him where it hurts . Till he gives in.
Huge fines for him . We don't need to sell him so just hit him where it hurts . Till he gives in. 7saint7
  • Score: 0

12:51pm Thu 3 Jul 14

03alpe01 says...

And so the exodus continues. Oh how I'd love to meet the people who dismissed all this as 'paper talk' during the season and how Poch and everyone would stay and ask them what they think now.
And so the exodus continues. Oh how I'd love to meet the people who dismissed all this as 'paper talk' during the season and how Poch and everyone would stay and ask them what they think now. 03alpe01
  • Score: 0

12:53pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Kamawoop says...

SaintJD wrote:
Kamawoop wrote:
It is clear NC's departure did signal a change of vision and direction. Whilst it appears his tenure ran the risk of boom, or bust; can only look at the facts and in during that time was all boom. Have no doubt our squad brought into the vision, so some understanding that the players also disheartened at finding the goal posts changing and feel they are no longer part of what they signed up for.

Then again it wasn't NC's money...
Yeah, you could compare him to Tony Blair or Bertie Ahern - times were great under him.
I didn't really like NC. ;) He was a bas***d, but results where quantitively great under him, as opposed to a qualitive assesment.

Maybe too liberal to be a football fan, don't have issues with the current board. The talk of asset stripping is so far not backed up by facts, have to wait and see what money is reinvenested. However, we may be run as a sustainable business with decent values. What NC was after, and all fans secretly want was domination and success at all costs; face the consequences tomorrow, when he could always walk away. If NC had has his own funds to back up the actions would have been perfect.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kamawoop[/bold] wrote: It is clear NC's departure did signal a change of vision and direction. Whilst it appears his tenure ran the risk of boom, or bust; can only look at the facts and in during that time was all boom. Have no doubt our squad brought into the vision, so some understanding that the players also disheartened at finding the goal posts changing and feel they are no longer part of what they signed up for. Then again it wasn't NC's money...[/p][/quote]Yeah, you could compare him to Tony Blair or Bertie Ahern - times were great under him.[/p][/quote]I didn't really like NC. ;) He was a bas***d, but results where quantitively great under him, as opposed to a qualitive assesment. Maybe too liberal to be a football fan, don't have issues with the current board. The talk of asset stripping is so far not backed up by facts, have to wait and see what money is reinvenested. However, we may be run as a sustainable business with decent values. What NC was after, and all fans secretly want was domination and success at all costs; face the consequences tomorrow, when he could always walk away. If NC had has his own funds to back up the actions would have been perfect. Kamawoop
  • Score: 0

12:53pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Les Miserables says...

So many theories, so much conjecture - bottom line is whether these players stay or go SFC will still be there as will its TRUE supporters.

Yes RK made reference to the clubs financial position however there was still an initial budget of 30 million available to bolster the squad during the summer. BEFORE the recent sales which have boosted that figure significantly.

MP left according to Les Reed for reasons "not football related" and suggestions that it was because the new board did not share in the vision of further progress are wide of the mark, though the drive to achieve European football at any cost and "by yesterday" has certainly been amended. European -yes Champions league football is still the aim but in a way which is sustainable ie dont sacrifice everything by stretching too far too soon. (Remember how we all laughed at the mess our neighbours got into by buying the FA Cup?)

Accusations that KL and her board are "asset stripping" are also way off beam - the clubs value was at its highest with last seasons squad intact and will hopefully rise again once Ronald Koeman has assembled the squad he wants to move us on further.

Player contracts are worthless to clubs these days, the only people they benefit are the players and their agents, if Lovren decides to effectively go on strike I hope that the club will at least put up some sort of fight and go to EUFA (club and international ban) , the danger with stopping his wages is that we could lose out on a transfer fee as a result of that action.
The problem is that he is following the example set by his team captain of last season in saying "Sell me to where I want to go at the price they want to pay or I wont play for you", complete disrespect, even contempt for both the club and its supporters.

There have been negative influences at work within the club since before Christmas, this brought about representations from within to KL and ultimately saw the exit of NC.

Nail your colours to the SFC mast under Captain Koeman, once he has brought in the players he wants those players who have basically stuck 2 fingers up to the club and its supporters will be quickly forgotten (until of course the visit SMS with their new teams and get a traditional "welcome").

Rickie Lambert and Luke Shaw have both been entirely honourable and totally respectful in their comments regarding SFC before, during and after their transfers , whether through naivety or poor advice Adam has done exactly the opposite and as a result he (and Lovren) will be received very differently to the way which they may feel they deserve to be after such a great season.
So many theories, so much conjecture - bottom line is whether these players stay or go SFC will still be there as will its TRUE supporters. Yes RK made reference to the clubs financial position however there was still an initial budget of 30 million available to bolster the squad during the summer. BEFORE the recent sales which have boosted that figure significantly. MP left according to Les Reed for reasons "not football related" and suggestions that it was because the new board did not share in the vision of further progress are wide of the mark, though the drive to achieve European football at any cost and "by yesterday" has certainly been amended. European -yes Champions league football is still the aim but in a way which is sustainable ie dont sacrifice everything by stretching too far too soon. (Remember how we all laughed at the mess our neighbours got into by buying the FA Cup?) Accusations that KL and her board are "asset stripping" are also way off beam - the clubs value was at its highest with last seasons squad intact and will hopefully rise again once Ronald Koeman has assembled the squad he wants to move us on further. Player contracts are worthless to clubs these days, the only people they benefit are the players and their agents, if Lovren decides to effectively go on strike I hope that the club will at least put up some sort of fight and go to EUFA (club and international ban) , the danger with stopping his wages is that we could lose out on a transfer fee as a result of that action. The problem is that he is following the example set by his team captain of last season in saying "Sell me to where I want to go at the price they want to pay or I wont play for you", complete disrespect, even contempt for both the club and its supporters. There have been negative influences at work within the club since before Christmas, this brought about representations from within to KL and ultimately saw the exit of NC. Nail your colours to the SFC mast under Captain Koeman, once he has brought in the players he wants those players who have basically stuck 2 fingers up to the club and its supporters will be quickly forgotten (until of course the visit SMS with their new teams and get a traditional "welcome"). Rickie Lambert and Luke Shaw have both been entirely honourable and totally respectful in their comments regarding SFC before, during and after their transfers , whether through naivety or poor advice Adam has done exactly the opposite and as a result he (and Lovren) will be received very differently to the way which they may feel they deserve to be after such a great season. Les Miserables
  • Score: 5

12:54pm Thu 3 Jul 14

saint bartley says...

I know this had been rumoured but it still comes to me as a shock. Just because we finished 8th, some 'superstars' think they're good enough to be playing Champions League next year. Maybe it's just coincidence all four have decided to move on in one Summer, but it leaves me with great concern about the coming season. Regardless of his "£100m transfer pot", RK is going to have a helluva job creating something from what's left and making it work in a very short space of time and I'm not aware of any BIG names heading our way. Now more than ever....COYR!!!
I know this had been rumoured but it still comes to me as a shock. Just because we finished 8th, some 'superstars' think they're good enough to be playing Champions League next year. Maybe it's just coincidence all four have decided to move on in one Summer, but it leaves me with great concern about the coming season. Regardless of his "£100m transfer pot", RK is going to have a helluva job creating something from what's left and making it work in a very short space of time and I'm not aware of any BIG names heading our way. Now more than ever....COYR!!! saint bartley
  • Score: 1

12:58pm Thu 3 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I fear mid table mediocrity more than relegation. We finally had a chairman who was actually more ambitious than many of the fans, many of us started to really believe, we may have failed but so what, we were going to try - and striving for excellence is what it's all about in any walk of life.
To be fair, if the players were really sold a dream that we'd be playing Champions League football regularly it is a joke.

From what they are saying that seems to be what they were expecting.

Any vision of us competing for the Champions League places surely involves a bit of blind faith on the players' part because frankly at best it was going to be a long-term bold vision with a high possibility of courageous failure.

If we'd have kept our manager, kept all our players and strengthened the team with more multi-million pound players it was still far from guaranteed that we'd get top five next season. Viable, perhaps the best chance we'd ever had, but football is a strange game.

Basically, regardless of Cortese, they simply jumped ship mid-mission because a better nailed on option became available for less effort, more profile and higher wages.

Sure, if Nicola was in charge I don't think he'd have let any of them leave, full stop, but they've chosen the lazy route joining teams already in the competition (or not in the case of Luke Shaw).

Plus, in fairness to them, the board has shown a lack of strength and determination to keep them, so frankly, from that perspective, you can hardly blame them, other clubs, and agents for making hay.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I fear mid table mediocrity more than relegation. We finally had a chairman who was actually more ambitious than many of the fans, many of us started to really believe, we may have failed but so what, we were going to try - and striving for excellence is what it's all about in any walk of life.[/p][/quote]To be fair, if the players were really sold a dream that we'd be playing Champions League football regularly it is a joke. From what they are saying that seems to be what they were expecting. Any vision of us competing for the Champions League places surely involves a bit of blind faith on the players' part because frankly at best it was going to be a long-term bold vision with a high possibility of courageous failure. If we'd have kept our manager, kept all our players and strengthened the team with more multi-million pound players it was still far from guaranteed that we'd get top five next season. Viable, perhaps the best chance we'd ever had, but football is a strange game. Basically, regardless of Cortese, they simply jumped ship mid-mission because a better nailed on option became available for less effort, more profile and higher wages. Sure, if Nicola was in charge I don't think he'd have let any of them leave, full stop, but they've chosen the lazy route joining teams already in the competition (or not in the case of Luke Shaw). Plus, in fairness to them, the board has shown a lack of strength and determination to keep them, so frankly, from that perspective, you can hardly blame them, other clubs, and agents for making hay. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

1:02pm Thu 3 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
Keep him hanging until the TRANSFER deadline , closes . No pre season games and training. NO WAGES !! And then after the transfer window closes , no chance to move . Play him at his own GAME
FIGHT AND WIN +++++

WE HAVE TO BUY another CB as Cover for Lovren and Fonte anyway -SOONER rather than later.

SAINTS FANS ECHO AND SFC - TIME TO MAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.
[quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: Keep him hanging until the TRANSFER deadline , closes . No pre season games and training. NO WAGES !! And then after the transfer window closes , no chance to move . Play him at his own GAME[/p][/quote]FIGHT AND WIN +++++ WE HAVE TO BUY another CB as Cover for Lovren and Fonte anyway -SOONER rather than later. SAINTS FANS ECHO AND SFC - TIME TO MAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 0

1:03pm Thu 3 Jul 14

saintand266 says...

Money grabbing tw#t, sell him but not to another premier league team and say his price is 20 million .
Money grabbing tw#t, sell him but not to another premier league team and say his price is 20 million . saintand266
  • Score: 0

1:07pm Thu 3 Jul 14

nuttysaint says...

jls217 wrote:
Southampton boy wrote:
Just Spider-Man to go and then that will be every name I said would leave this summer, and I was told I was to negative, no I don't go around with my head in the sand like some seem to do, dening what we all know what going on. If Loven wants to go then let him use the £20m that everyone seem to be saying that has been offered.

Let's rebuild and move on
Spiderman and Clyne were the best of the bunch anyway - no hints from either camp yet that they are wanting to go - so far!
Spiderman has.....
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Southampton boy[/bold] wrote: Just Spider-Man to go and then that will be every name I said would leave this summer, and I was told I was to negative, no I don't go around with my head in the sand like some seem to do, dening what we all know what going on. If Loven wants to go then let him use the £20m that everyone seem to be saying that has been offered. Let's rebuild and move on[/p][/quote]Spiderman and Clyne were the best of the bunch anyway - no hints from either camp yet that they are wanting to go - so far![/p][/quote]Spiderman has..... nuttysaint
  • Score: 0

1:08pm Thu 3 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

SaintJD wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: I fear mid table mediocrity more than relegation. We finally had a chairman who was actually more ambitious than many of the fans, many of us started to really believe, we may have failed but so what, we were going to try - and striving for excellence is what it's all about in any walk of life.
To be fair, if the players were really sold a dream that we'd be playing Champions League football regularly it is a joke. From what they are saying that seems to be what they were expecting. Any vision of us competing for the Champions League places surely involves a bit of blind faith on the players' part because frankly at best it was going to be a long-term bold vision with a high possibility of courageous failure. If we'd have kept our manager, kept all our players and strengthened the team with more multi-million pound players it was still far from guaranteed that we'd get top five next season. Viable, perhaps the best chance we'd ever had, but football is a strange game. Basically, regardless of Cortese, they simply jumped ship mid-mission because a better nailed on option became available for less effort, more profile and higher wages. Sure, if Nicola was in charge I don't think he'd have let any of them leave, full stop, but they've chosen the lazy route joining teams already in the competition (or not in the case of Luke Shaw). Plus, in fairness to them, the board has shown a lack of strength and determination to keep them, so frankly, from that perspective, you can hardly blame them, other clubs, and agents for making hay.
WE have only offloaded the ENGLAND TRIO and they were ONLY AVERAGE at best.

LETS START AND GET SOME MARQUEE SIGNINGS SOONEST COYR
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I fear mid table mediocrity more than relegation. We finally had a chairman who was actually more ambitious than many of the fans, many of us started to really believe, we may have failed but so what, we were going to try - and striving for excellence is what it's all about in any walk of life.[/p][/quote]To be fair, if the players were really sold a dream that we'd be playing Champions League football regularly it is a joke. From what they are saying that seems to be what they were expecting. Any vision of us competing for the Champions League places surely involves a bit of blind faith on the players' part because frankly at best it was going to be a long-term bold vision with a high possibility of courageous failure. If we'd have kept our manager, kept all our players and strengthened the team with more multi-million pound players it was still far from guaranteed that we'd get top five next season. Viable, perhaps the best chance we'd ever had, but football is a strange game. Basically, regardless of Cortese, they simply jumped ship mid-mission because a better nailed on option became available for less effort, more profile and higher wages. Sure, if Nicola was in charge I don't think he'd have let any of them leave, full stop, but they've chosen the lazy route joining teams already in the competition (or not in the case of Luke Shaw). Plus, in fairness to them, the board has shown a lack of strength and determination to keep them, so frankly, from that perspective, you can hardly blame them, other clubs, and agents for making hay.[/p][/quote]WE have only offloaded the ENGLAND TRIO and they were ONLY AVERAGE at best. LETS START AND GET SOME MARQUEE SIGNINGS SOONEST COYR The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 1

1:12pm Thu 3 Jul 14

PageyfromShirley says...

I suppose we all just have to accept that realistically we are not a big club, we can't compete with the big boys and players will obviously want to move on. Let Lovren go, no point in hanging onto players who dont wat to play for us. We could easily replace him someone like Roger Johnson, safe and dependable and would do a job. Yes, we might have to accept that we might go down with all the players going but at least we could rebuild in the Championship and come back stronger!
I suppose we all just have to accept that realistically we are not a big club, we can't compete with the big boys and players will obviously want to move on. Let Lovren go, no point in hanging onto players who dont wat to play for us. We could easily replace him someone like Roger Johnson, safe and dependable and would do a job. Yes, we might have to accept that we might go down with all the players going but at least we could rebuild in the Championship and come back stronger! PageyfromShirley
  • Score: -3

1:13pm Thu 3 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

saintand266 wrote:
Money grabbing tw#t, sell him but not to another premier league team and say his price is 20 million .
ON HIS RECENT AND PAST PERFORMANCES .....
HIS ESTIMATED MARKET VALUE IS 25-30 MILLION COYR
[quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: Money grabbing tw#t, sell him but not to another premier league team and say his price is 20 million .[/p][/quote]ON HIS RECENT AND PAST PERFORMANCES ..... HIS ESTIMATED MARKET VALUE IS 25-30 MILLION COYR The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
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1:18pm Thu 3 Jul 14

oldsaintsfan says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
IMO I think your analysis of the situation is correct and obviously you have some insider information which supports this. It seems clear to me at least and as you suggest NC & co had a plan for CL football on the basis that if success is created on the pitch that success will translate into sales of seats/ merchandise/TV rights/image rights etc would over time would result in a larger more successful business. I guess this was the “project”. However, I think it is also clear this strategy was/is not without obvious risks. Unfortunately (for all of us who have grown up supporting the club and were excited by the club pushing dramatically ahead) the owner did not feel committed enough to this “vision” to make the necessary additional (probably significant) investment available to the previous management. Whether this was because the owner was not happy with the management or was unhappy with the risks and additional need for funding is not clear to me. The club is now suffering the consequences of its apparent reduced ambition particularly with regard to playing staff that bought into the earlier “project” and feel their own opportunities are now much reduced. Unfortunately it seems that the immediate future may continue to be difficult whilst the club adjusts. I am concerned that the club is viewed by other selling clubs as potentially desperate to replace playing staff losses and this will reflect in their transfer demands – simply we risk overpaying for ordinary talent. Hopefully this will not be the case and I hope RK and the team have plans well worked out (and hopefully all this player dissatisfaction is not a surprise to them!)
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]IMO I think your analysis of the situation is correct and obviously you have some insider information which supports this. It seems clear to me at least and as you suggest NC & co had a plan for CL football on the basis that if success is created on the pitch that success will translate into sales of seats/ merchandise/TV rights/image rights etc would over time would result in a larger more successful business. I guess this was the “project”. However, I think it is also clear this strategy was/is not without obvious risks. Unfortunately (for all of us who have grown up supporting the club and were excited by the club pushing dramatically ahead) the owner did not feel committed enough to this “vision” to make the necessary additional (probably significant) investment available to the previous management. Whether this was because the owner was not happy with the management or was unhappy with the risks and additional need for funding is not clear to me. The club is now suffering the consequences of its apparent reduced ambition particularly with regard to playing staff that bought into the earlier “project” and feel their own opportunities are now much reduced. Unfortunately it seems that the immediate future may continue to be difficult whilst the club adjusts. I am concerned that the club is viewed by other selling clubs as potentially desperate to replace playing staff losses and this will reflect in their transfer demands – simply we risk overpaying for ordinary talent. Hopefully this will not be the case and I hope RK and the team have plans well worked out (and hopefully all this player dissatisfaction is not a surprise to them!) oldsaintsfan
  • Score: 1

1:22pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Saints.born93 says...

Or he's just being given an extra couple of weeks off because of the World Cup. Maybe he's not wanting to play for us again but let's not all jump the bus and take the Daily Echo's words and believe their apparent close sources! But, Time will tell!
Or he's just being given an extra couple of weeks off because of the World Cup. Maybe he's not wanting to play for us again but let's not all jump the bus and take the Daily Echo's words and believe their apparent close sources! But, Time will tell! Saints.born93
  • Score: 1

1:23pm Thu 3 Jul 14

7saint7 says...

Kamawoop wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Kamawoop wrote:
It is clear NC's departure did signal a change of vision and direction. Whilst it appears his tenure ran the risk of boom, or bust; can only look at the facts and in during that time was all boom. Have no doubt our squad brought into the vision, so some understanding that the players also disheartened at finding the goal posts changing and feel they are no longer part of what they signed up for.

Then again it wasn't NC's money...
Yeah, you could compare him to Tony Blair or Bertie Ahern - times were great under him.
I didn't really like NC. ;) He was a bas***d, but results where quantitively great under him, as opposed to a qualitive assesment.

Maybe too liberal to be a football fan, don't have issues with the current board. The talk of asset stripping is so far not backed up by facts, have to wait and see what money is reinvenested. However, we may be run as a sustainable business with decent values. What NC was after, and all fans secretly want was domination and success at all costs; face the consequences tomorrow, when he could always walk away. If NC had has his own funds to back up the actions would have been perfect.
NC was great . Done everything with the veiw to take us to the top 4 in prem . Never will we head that fast to that goal again .
Yes he was a bas***d but thats what you need when running a top football club . Now we have the players calling the shots. The flood gate has opened.
Let's just hope we can bring in the players we need to move on .
But then again now the world knows are targets . I like the why NC done things clubs new if they leaked a player we went after NC whould drop erm and buy the next on his list .
[quote][p][bold]Kamawoop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kamawoop[/bold] wrote: It is clear NC's departure did signal a change of vision and direction. Whilst it appears his tenure ran the risk of boom, or bust; can only look at the facts and in during that time was all boom. Have no doubt our squad brought into the vision, so some understanding that the players also disheartened at finding the goal posts changing and feel they are no longer part of what they signed up for. Then again it wasn't NC's money...[/p][/quote]Yeah, you could compare him to Tony Blair or Bertie Ahern - times were great under him.[/p][/quote]I didn't really like NC. ;) He was a bas***d, but results where quantitively great under him, as opposed to a qualitive assesment. Maybe too liberal to be a football fan, don't have issues with the current board. The talk of asset stripping is so far not backed up by facts, have to wait and see what money is reinvenested. However, we may be run as a sustainable business with decent values. What NC was after, and all fans secretly want was domination and success at all costs; face the consequences tomorrow, when he could always walk away. If NC had has his own funds to back up the actions would have been perfect.[/p][/quote]NC was great . Done everything with the veiw to take us to the top 4 in prem . Never will we head that fast to that goal again . Yes he was a bas***d but thats what you need when running a top football club . Now we have the players calling the shots. The flood gate has opened. Let's just hope we can bring in the players we need to move on . But then again now the world knows are targets . I like the why NC done things clubs new if they leaked a player we went after NC whould drop erm and buy the next on his list . 7saint7
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1:26pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Confucious says...

When's happy hour?
When's happy hour? Confucious
  • Score: 7

1:31pm Thu 3 Jul 14

bullsbags says...

According to the sun,so who knows if it's true,Morgan is in 9 k a week
If that is the going rate for one of the best midfielders in the league I wouldn't blame him for jumping ship either
I'm not saying we should pay silly wages but 9 k ffs,
SO WILL THE BOARD WAKE UP AND AT LEAST PAY THEM SOMETHING LIKE THE GOING RATE
No wonder they have jumped ship or will in the not too distant
According to the sun,so who knows if it's true,Morgan is in 9 k a week If that is the going rate for one of the best midfielders in the league I wouldn't blame him for jumping ship either I'm not saying we should pay silly wages but 9 k ffs, SO WILL THE BOARD WAKE UP AND AT LEAST PAY THEM SOMETHING LIKE THE GOING RATE No wonder they have jumped ship or will in the not too distant bullsbags
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1:33pm Thu 3 Jul 14

LFCalways says...

Saints.born93 wrote:
Or he's just being given an extra couple of weeks off because of the World Cup. Maybe he's not wanting to play for us again but let's not all jump the bus and take the Daily Echo's words and believe their apparent close sources! But, Time will tell!
You guys were warned with lallana and look what happened? be same story! And yes seems the same with Suarez until Barcelona meet our value.
[quote][p][bold]Saints.born93[/bold] wrote: Or he's just being given an extra couple of weeks off because of the World Cup. Maybe he's not wanting to play for us again but let's not all jump the bus and take the Daily Echo's words and believe their apparent close sources! But, Time will tell![/p][/quote]You guys were warned with lallana and look what happened? be same story! And yes seems the same with Suarez until Barcelona meet our value. LFCalways
  • Score: 2

1:36pm Thu 3 Jul 14

St Van Roetford says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I fear mid table mediocrity more than relegation. We finally had a chairman who was actually more ambitious than many of the fans, many of us started to really believe, we may have failed but so what, we were going to try - and striving for excellence is what it's all about in any walk of life.
He was doing it all with someone else's money, though. I think it's fairly easy to throw money at problems to fix them by promising the earth.

The trick - the thing that separates the men from the boys on this - is to do it in a way that doesn't completely p1ss off the person whose money it is. That's a far harder job, and that's what Ralph has to manage.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I fear mid table mediocrity more than relegation. We finally had a chairman who was actually more ambitious than many of the fans, many of us started to really believe, we may have failed but so what, we were going to try - and striving for excellence is what it's all about in any walk of life.[/p][/quote]He was doing it all with someone else's money, though. I think it's fairly easy to throw money at problems to fix them by promising the earth. The trick - the thing that separates the men from the boys on this - is to do it in a way that doesn't completely p1ss off the person whose money it is. That's a far harder job, and that's what Ralph has to manage. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 2

1:36pm Thu 3 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

7saint7 wrote:
Huge fines for him . We don't need to sell him so just hit him where it hurts . Till he gives in.
I agree if I remember rightly Man City did the same with Tevez I think he realised the era of his ways in the end and returned to Man City when it started effecting his bank balance.
[quote][p][bold]7saint7[/bold] wrote: Huge fines for him . We don't need to sell him so just hit him where it hurts . Till he gives in.[/p][/quote]I agree if I remember rightly Man City did the same with Tevez I think he realised the era of his ways in the end and returned to Man City when it started effecting his bank balance. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 1

1:40pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Shareholder says...

Saintade wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
But would you now believe ANYTHING the Board says after they have done a complete U-turn on all their promises about not selling players? And what about this rubbish about our scouts having a bucket list ready of players to bring in if we lose any - where are they then? I bet none of them were Dutch either until Koeman got here....I just don't have any confidence in the Board at all. If you look back at news reports on statements from the club, you'll see what I mean. Don't believe what you read!
Not sure you guys have this right at all. Firstly there is absolutely no evidence that anything has changed ambition wise. Before all the so called stars decided to cash in the club let it be known up to £50m would be available to strengthen the squad. That's more than enough for the additions needed at that point. They have said all the money from player sales will go to new players. That will easily be enough to replace those leaving - remember, none of them this time last year were worth what they're now being sold for with the exception of Lambert. If the project has changed then Koeman wouldn't be here for sure. With his experience and ambition he isn't looking for an 'also ran' club to join.

Frankly all these departures are about self, personal ambition and greed. Cortese left because the owner wanted more say in how things were run and she wasn't prepared to just pour in money and yet have no say in the decision making. He never wanted to do anything other than his way and thought the owner should just spend and ask no questions. The others are taking a fat pay day and instant access to the big time. They've had a taste at the World Cup and have got drunk on the super-star lifestyle. Don't be fooled. Lovren and his agents know this 'project has changed' line is an easy one to peddle and that people will believe it. Cortese has after all been telling it since way before he actually left and Pochettino, another self-seeker, followed ship. Lovren knows Liverpool want him and he wants the cash and glory.

And finally if you want proof it's all about self just look at Lallana. The Board did all they could to persuade him to stay. He didn't even bother to talk to the new manager by all accounts. No, he wanted to go to Liverpool and he threatened to basically go on strike and refuse to play for us. That's how much he cared about the club and his fans as proved by the derisory advert in the Echo.

Maybe you'd all do better by trying to see the other side. That the ambition hasn't changed but that the club is building a Board, manager, coaching staff and players who genuinely share the ambition and for the good of the whole, not just the self. As I've said, there's nothing to show anything other than that at St Mary's and Staplewood. I'm backing this project and so should we all.
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]But would you now believe ANYTHING the Board says after they have done a complete U-turn on all their promises about not selling players? And what about this rubbish about our scouts having a bucket list ready of players to bring in if we lose any - where are they then? I bet none of them were Dutch either until Koeman got here....I just don't have any confidence in the Board at all. If you look back at news reports on statements from the club, you'll see what I mean. Don't believe what you read![/p][/quote]Not sure you guys have this right at all. Firstly there is absolutely no evidence that anything has changed ambition wise. Before all the so called stars decided to cash in the club let it be known up to £50m would be available to strengthen the squad. That's more than enough for the additions needed at that point. They have said all the money from player sales will go to new players. That will easily be enough to replace those leaving - remember, none of them this time last year were worth what they're now being sold for with the exception of Lambert. If the project has changed then Koeman wouldn't be here for sure. With his experience and ambition he isn't looking for an 'also ran' club to join. Frankly all these departures are about self, personal ambition and greed. Cortese left because the owner wanted more say in how things were run and she wasn't prepared to just pour in money and yet have no say in the decision making. He never wanted to do anything other than his way and thought the owner should just spend and ask no questions. The others are taking a fat pay day and instant access to the big time. They've had a taste at the World Cup and have got drunk on the super-star lifestyle. Don't be fooled. Lovren and his agents know this 'project has changed' line is an easy one to peddle and that people will believe it. Cortese has after all been telling it since way before he actually left and Pochettino, another self-seeker, followed ship. Lovren knows Liverpool want him and he wants the cash and glory. And finally if you want proof it's all about self just look at Lallana. The Board did all they could to persuade him to stay. He didn't even bother to talk to the new manager by all accounts. No, he wanted to go to Liverpool and he threatened to basically go on strike and refuse to play for us. That's how much he cared about the club and his fans as proved by the derisory advert in the Echo. Maybe you'd all do better by trying to see the other side. That the ambition hasn't changed but that the club is building a Board, manager, coaching staff and players who genuinely share the ambition and for the good of the whole, not just the self. As I've said, there's nothing to show anything other than that at St Mary's and Staplewood. I'm backing this project and so should we all. Shareholder
  • Score: 18

1:42pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Stafford Saint says...

Am I reading this different? He hasn't said he will strike/skive until he gets a move. He hasn't said anything; "sources close to" have said. He is on an extended break from training because of the World Cup. He 'doesn't expect to be back here' sounds more like a hunch on the future and not a declaration of hostilities. He has submitted a transfer request legitimately and expects that to reap the change he wants and reckons it will happen sooner than later. He has entrusted representatives to act on his behalf - also quite legitimate. I wouldnt be surprised if the club prefer working with agents about contractual mattersan players directly on most occaisons. I don't read that as he will refuse to train.
Of course, it is a shame that he doesn't want to stay.
Am I reading this different? He hasn't said he will strike/skive until he gets a move. He hasn't said anything; "sources close to" have said. He is on an extended break from training because of the World Cup. He 'doesn't expect to be back here' sounds more like a hunch on the future and not a declaration of hostilities. He has submitted a transfer request legitimately and expects that to reap the change he wants and reckons it will happen sooner than later. He has entrusted representatives to act on his behalf - also quite legitimate. I wouldnt be surprised if the club prefer working with agents about contractual mattersan players directly on most occaisons. I don't read that as he will refuse to train. Of course, it is a shame that he doesn't want to stay. Stafford Saint
  • Score: 1

1:44pm Thu 3 Jul 14

PMHiggins says...

Tapping up is a serious accusation, but isn't it interesting that so many of our players have suddenly started wetting themselves to play for the great under-achievers of last season. I find it hard to believe that there isn't someone going round offering the world and its mother on the quiet, to these young and generally not too bright players. Liverpool without Suarez last season would have struggled to be in the top 10. Without him next season Brenda must be VERY worried. Tapping up?....well, you would wouldn't you?
Tapping up is a serious accusation, but isn't it interesting that so many of our players have suddenly started wetting themselves to play for the great under-achievers of last season. I find it hard to believe that there isn't someone going round offering the world and its mother on the quiet, to these young and generally not too bright players. Liverpool without Suarez last season would have struggled to be in the top 10. Without him next season Brenda must be VERY worried. Tapping up?....well, you would wouldn't you? PMHiggins
  • Score: 2

1:47pm Thu 3 Jul 14

killared says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: I fear mid table mediocrity more than relegation. We finally had a chairman who was actually more ambitious than many of the fans, many of us started to really believe, we may have failed but so what, we were going to try - and striving for excellence is what it's all about in any walk of life.
To be fair, if the players were really sold a dream that we'd be playing Champions League football regularly it is a joke. From what they are saying that seems to be what they were expecting. Any vision of us competing for the Champions League places surely involves a bit of blind faith on the players' part because frankly at best it was going to be a long-term bold vision with a high possibility of courageous failure. If we'd have kept our manager, kept all our players and strengthened the team with more multi-million pound players it was still far from guaranteed that we'd get top five next season. Viable, perhaps the best chance we'd ever had, but football is a strange game. Basically, regardless of Cortese, they simply jumped ship mid-mission because a better nailed on option became available for less effort, more profile and higher wages. Sure, if Nicola was in charge I don't think he'd have let any of them leave, full stop, but they've chosen the lazy route joining teams already in the competition (or not in the case of Luke Shaw). Plus, in fairness to them, the board has shown a lack of strength and determination to keep them, so frankly, from that perspective, you can hardly blame them, other clubs, and agents for making hay.
WE have only offloaded the ENGLAND TRIO and they were ONLY AVERAGE at best.

LETS START AND GET SOME MARQUEE SIGNINGS SOONEST COYR
Average at best please don't make us laugh ! I understand you frustration and you bitterness but Lallana is good enough to play in the top European who play in the Champions League, Lambert can score goals and Shaw has not prove a thing so selling the boy to the first donkey I believe is good business .
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I fear mid table mediocrity more than relegation. We finally had a chairman who was actually more ambitious than many of the fans, many of us started to really believe, we may have failed but so what, we were going to try - and striving for excellence is what it's all about in any walk of life.[/p][/quote]To be fair, if the players were really sold a dream that we'd be playing Champions League football regularly it is a joke. From what they are saying that seems to be what they were expecting. Any vision of us competing for the Champions League places surely involves a bit of blind faith on the players' part because frankly at best it was going to be a long-term bold vision with a high possibility of courageous failure. If we'd have kept our manager, kept all our players and strengthened the team with more multi-million pound players it was still far from guaranteed that we'd get top five next season. Viable, perhaps the best chance we'd ever had, but football is a strange game. Basically, regardless of Cortese, they simply jumped ship mid-mission because a better nailed on option became available for less effort, more profile and higher wages. Sure, if Nicola was in charge I don't think he'd have let any of them leave, full stop, but they've chosen the lazy route joining teams already in the competition (or not in the case of Luke Shaw). Plus, in fairness to them, the board has shown a lack of strength and determination to keep them, so frankly, from that perspective, you can hardly blame them, other clubs, and agents for making hay.[/p][/quote]WE have only offloaded the ENGLAND TRIO and they were ONLY AVERAGE at best. LETS START AND GET SOME MARQUEE SIGNINGS SOONEST COYR[/p][/quote]Average at best please don't make us laugh ! I understand you frustration and you bitterness but Lallana is good enough to play in the top European who play in the Champions League, Lambert can score goals and Shaw has not prove a thing so selling the boy to the first donkey I believe is good business . killared
  • Score: -1

1:53pm Thu 3 Jul 14

deepheat says...

Other national papers have picked up on this story and quote the source as The Daily Echo. "Sources close to the player have confirmed to the Daily Echo that the centre-half does not currently plan to return to the club this summer". Is this The Daily Echo just S@it stirring again and again and again?
Other national papers have picked up on this story and quote the source as The Daily Echo. "Sources close to the player have confirmed to the Daily Echo that the centre-half does not currently plan to return to the club this summer". Is this The Daily Echo just S@it stirring again and again and again? deepheat
  • Score: 2

2:04pm Thu 3 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

killared wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: I fear mid table mediocrity more than relegation. We finally had a chairman who was actually more ambitious than many of the fans, many of us started to really believe, we may have failed but so what, we were going to try - and striving for excellence is what it's all about in any walk of life.
To be fair, if the players were really sold a dream that we'd be playing Champions League football regularly it is a joke. From what they are saying that seems to be what they were expecting. Any vision of us competing for the Champions League places surely involves a bit of blind faith on the players' part because frankly at best it was going to be a long-term bold vision with a high possibility of courageous failure. If we'd have kept our manager, kept all our players and strengthened the team with more multi-million pound players it was still far from guaranteed that we'd get top five next season. Viable, perhaps the best chance we'd ever had, but football is a strange game. Basically, regardless of Cortese, they simply jumped ship mid-mission because a better nailed on option became available for less effort, more profile and higher wages. Sure, if Nicola was in charge I don't think he'd have let any of them leave, full stop, but they've chosen the lazy route joining teams already in the competition (or not in the case of Luke Shaw). Plus, in fairness to them, the board has shown a lack of strength and determination to keep them, so frankly, from that perspective, you can hardly blame them, other clubs, and agents for making hay.
WE have only offloaded the ENGLAND TRIO and they were ONLY AVERAGE at best. LETS START AND GET SOME MARQUEE SIGNINGS SOONEST COYR
Average at best please don't make us laugh ! I understand you frustration and you bitterness but Lallana is good enough to play in the top European who play in the Champions League, Lambert can score goals and Shaw has not prove a thing so selling the boy to the first donkey I believe is good business .
ENGLAND FIFA RATINGS are in decline.

These Players are not AVERAGE when compared with Championship Players or POMPEY SCUM - however .....

When you look at the QUALITY ON THE WORLD STAGE - IN THE WORLD CUP - AT THE VERY TOP LEVEL - these 3 Players qualify as Average.

THE EUROPEAN DREAM is very much ALIVE.

SFC can compete with the likes of cash strapped EVERTON - also the likes of NEWCASTLE - SPUDS etc at the TOP 6-8 IN THE PREM fighting for a EUROPEAN SPOT.

LAST SEASON - we hit the giddy heights of THIRD and if we let the FOOTBALL do the TALKING - we can compete Season on Season at the TOP end of the LEAGUE. (C/L PLACINGS like Everton)

KL and SFC cannot compete - NOR do they want to - with the likes of Chelski or Citeh with HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS IN DEBT.

REMEMBER Liversh1te took them all the way last Season without that BUDGET and almost TOOK THE LEAGUE.

BELIEVE - GET BEHIND THE MANAGER - FIGHT AND WIN. COYR
[quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I fear mid table mediocrity more than relegation. We finally had a chairman who was actually more ambitious than many of the fans, many of us started to really believe, we may have failed but so what, we were going to try - and striving for excellence is what it's all about in any walk of life.[/p][/quote]To be fair, if the players were really sold a dream that we'd be playing Champions League football regularly it is a joke. From what they are saying that seems to be what they were expecting. Any vision of us competing for the Champions League places surely involves a bit of blind faith on the players' part because frankly at best it was going to be a long-term bold vision with a high possibility of courageous failure. If we'd have kept our manager, kept all our players and strengthened the team with more multi-million pound players it was still far from guaranteed that we'd get top five next season. Viable, perhaps the best chance we'd ever had, but football is a strange game. Basically, regardless of Cortese, they simply jumped ship mid-mission because a better nailed on option became available for less effort, more profile and higher wages. Sure, if Nicola was in charge I don't think he'd have let any of them leave, full stop, but they've chosen the lazy route joining teams already in the competition (or not in the case of Luke Shaw). Plus, in fairness to them, the board has shown a lack of strength and determination to keep them, so frankly, from that perspective, you can hardly blame them, other clubs, and agents for making hay.[/p][/quote]WE have only offloaded the ENGLAND TRIO and they were ONLY AVERAGE at best. LETS START AND GET SOME MARQUEE SIGNINGS SOONEST COYR[/p][/quote]Average at best please don't make us laugh ! I understand you frustration and you bitterness but Lallana is good enough to play in the top European who play in the Champions League, Lambert can score goals and Shaw has not prove a thing so selling the boy to the first donkey I believe is good business .[/p][/quote]ENGLAND FIFA RATINGS are in decline. These Players are not AVERAGE when compared with Championship Players or POMPEY SCUM - however ..... When you look at the QUALITY ON THE WORLD STAGE - IN THE WORLD CUP - AT THE VERY TOP LEVEL - these 3 Players qualify as Average. THE EUROPEAN DREAM is very much ALIVE. SFC can compete with the likes of cash strapped EVERTON - also the likes of NEWCASTLE - SPUDS etc at the TOP 6-8 IN THE PREM fighting for a EUROPEAN SPOT. LAST SEASON - we hit the giddy heights of THIRD and if we let the FOOTBALL do the TALKING - we can compete Season on Season at the TOP end of the LEAGUE. (C/L PLACINGS like Everton) KL and SFC cannot compete - NOR do they want to - with the likes of Chelski or Citeh with HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS IN DEBT. REMEMBER Liversh1te took them all the way last Season without that BUDGET and almost TOOK THE LEAGUE. BELIEVE - GET BEHIND THE MANAGER - FIGHT AND WIN. COYR The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 3

2:12pm Thu 3 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

OK, I think it's time the fans and the Echo united a bit here to get our voice heard.

Would others please join me in emailing the Echo sports desk to see if they can make the club fully aware of the strength of fan feeling regarding player power taking over at our club.

We need to make the board know they have our full backing in taking a loss in making a stand with Dejan Lovren and potentially others to come.

Enough is enough and while this may well make absolutely not difference whatsoever, you never know, it might give them the guts to take some positive action.

Whether it was Poch or Nicola or whoever it was, there seems to have been a poison running through the club since January and that needs to be sorted.

A lot of people on here have a lot of patience and total loyalty and love for this club, which is why the anger being felt at the moment is so striking. This is not mindless overreaction, it is perfectly reasonable people (OK mostly anyway :)) who have simply had enough.

echosport@dailyecho.
co.uk
OK, I think it's time the fans and the Echo united a bit here to get our voice heard. Would others please join me in emailing the Echo sports desk to see if they can make the club fully aware of the strength of fan feeling regarding player power taking over at our club. We need to make the board know they have our full backing in taking a loss in making a stand with Dejan Lovren and potentially others to come. Enough is enough and while this may well make absolutely not difference whatsoever, you never know, it might give them the guts to take some positive action. Whether it was Poch or Nicola or whoever it was, there seems to have been a poison running through the club since January and that needs to be sorted. A lot of people on here have a lot of patience and total loyalty and love for this club, which is why the anger being felt at the moment is so striking. This is not mindless overreaction, it is perfectly reasonable people (OK mostly anyway :)) who have simply had enough. echosport@dailyecho. co.uk SaintJD
  • Score: -5

2:13pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Kamawoop says...

7saint7 wrote:
Kamawoop wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Kamawoop wrote:
It is clear NC's departure did signal a change of vision and direction. Whilst it appears his tenure ran the risk of boom, or bust; can only look at the facts and in during that time was all boom. Have no doubt our squad brought into the vision, so some understanding that the players also disheartened at finding the goal posts changing and feel they are no longer part of what they signed up for.

Then again it wasn't NC's money...
Yeah, you could compare him to Tony Blair or Bertie Ahern - times were great under him.
I didn't really like NC. ;) He was a bas***d, but results where quantitively great under him, as opposed to a qualitive assesment.

Maybe too liberal to be a football fan, don't have issues with the current board. The talk of asset stripping is so far not backed up by facts, have to wait and see what money is reinvenested. However, we may be run as a sustainable business with decent values. What NC was after, and all fans secretly want was domination and success at all costs; face the consequences tomorrow, when he could always walk away. If NC had has his own funds to back up the actions would have been perfect.
NC was great . Done everything with the veiw to take us to the top 4 in prem . Never will we head that fast to that goal again .
Yes he was a bas***d but thats what you need when running a top football club . Now we have the players calling the shots. The flood gate has opened.
Let's just hope we can bring in the players we need to move on .
But then again now the world knows are targets . I like the why NC done things clubs new if they leaked a player we went after NC whould drop erm and buy the next on his list .
NC did brilliant things for Saints when he was here.

Considered SFC his baby, just a shame he wasn't the father and walked out as soon as realised it. Can't really blame Kathryn for not wanting to stay in contact.
[quote][p][bold]7saint7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kamawoop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kamawoop[/bold] wrote: It is clear NC's departure did signal a change of vision and direction. Whilst it appears his tenure ran the risk of boom, or bust; can only look at the facts and in during that time was all boom. Have no doubt our squad brought into the vision, so some understanding that the players also disheartened at finding the goal posts changing and feel they are no longer part of what they signed up for. Then again it wasn't NC's money...[/p][/quote]Yeah, you could compare him to Tony Blair or Bertie Ahern - times were great under him.[/p][/quote]I didn't really like NC. ;) He was a bas***d, but results where quantitively great under him, as opposed to a qualitive assesment. Maybe too liberal to be a football fan, don't have issues with the current board. The talk of asset stripping is so far not backed up by facts, have to wait and see what money is reinvenested. However, we may be run as a sustainable business with decent values. What NC was after, and all fans secretly want was domination and success at all costs; face the consequences tomorrow, when he could always walk away. If NC had has his own funds to back up the actions would have been perfect.[/p][/quote]NC was great . Done everything with the veiw to take us to the top 4 in prem . Never will we head that fast to that goal again . Yes he was a bas***d but thats what you need when running a top football club . Now we have the players calling the shots. The flood gate has opened. Let's just hope we can bring in the players we need to move on . But then again now the world knows are targets . I like the why NC done things clubs new if they leaked a player we went after NC whould drop erm and buy the next on his list .[/p][/quote]NC did brilliant things for Saints when he was here. Considered SFC his baby, just a shame he wasn't the father and walked out as soon as realised it. Can't really blame Kathryn for not wanting to stay in contact. Kamawoop
  • Score: 1

2:14pm Thu 3 Jul 14

miltonarcher says...

If Lovren refuses to play for us sue him for breach of contract
If Lovren refuses to play for us sue him for breach of contract miltonarcher
  • Score: 1

2:15pm Thu 3 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

deepheat wrote:
Other national papers have picked up on this story and quote the source as The Daily Echo. "Sources close to the player have confirmed to the Daily Echo that the centre-half does not currently plan to return to the club this summer". Is this The Daily Echo just S@it stirring again and again and again?
No, I think you'll find it's the Daily Echo getting it right, again and again. OK, some of their stories are second hand, but as far as I can see most rumours have actually been fairly close to the truth.
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: Other national papers have picked up on this story and quote the source as The Daily Echo. "Sources close to the player have confirmed to the Daily Echo that the centre-half does not currently plan to return to the club this summer". Is this The Daily Echo just S@it stirring again and again and again?[/p][/quote]No, I think you'll find it's the Daily Echo getting it right, again and again. OK, some of their stories are second hand, but as far as I can see most rumours have actually been fairly close to the truth. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

2:18pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Kamawoop says...

7saint7 says...

Kamawoop wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

Kamawoop wrote:
It is clear NC's departure did signal a change of vision and direction. Whilst it appears his tenure ran the risk of boom, or bust; can only look at the facts and in during that time was all boom. Have no doubt our squad brought into the vision, so some understanding that the players also disheartened at finding the goal posts changing and feel they are no longer part of what they signed up for.

Then again it wasn't NC's money...

Yeah, you could compare him to Tony Blair or Bertie Ahern - times were great under him.

I didn't really like NC. ;) He was a bas***d, but results where quantitively great under him, as opposed to a qualitive assesment.

Maybe too liberal to be a football fan, don't have issues with the current board. The talk of asset stripping is so far not backed up by facts, have to wait and see what money is reinvenested. However, we may be run as a sustainable business with decent values. What NC was after, and all fans secretly want was domination and success at all costs; face the consequences tomorrow, when he could always walk away. If NC had has his own funds to back up the actions would have been perfect.

NC was great . Done everything with the veiw to take us to the top 4 in prem . Never will we head that fast to that goal again .
Yes he was a bas***d but thats what you need when running a top football club . Now we have the players calling the shots. The flood gate has opened.
Let's just hope we can bring in the players we need to move on .
But then again now the world knows are targets . I like the why NC done things clubs new if they leaked a player we went after NC whould drop erm and buy the next on his list .

----

NC was great. SFC was his baby. Just a shame he wasn't the father and walked out as soon as he realised it. Can't really blame Kathryn for not wanting to have anything to do with him.
7saint7 says... Kamawoop wrote: SaintJD wrote: Kamawoop wrote: It is clear NC's departure did signal a change of vision and direction. Whilst it appears his tenure ran the risk of boom, or bust; can only look at the facts and in during that time was all boom. Have no doubt our squad brought into the vision, so some understanding that the players also disheartened at finding the goal posts changing and feel they are no longer part of what they signed up for. Then again it wasn't NC's money... Yeah, you could compare him to Tony Blair or Bertie Ahern - times were great under him. I didn't really like NC. ;) He was a bas***d, but results where quantitively great under him, as opposed to a qualitive assesment. Maybe too liberal to be a football fan, don't have issues with the current board. The talk of asset stripping is so far not backed up by facts, have to wait and see what money is reinvenested. However, we may be run as a sustainable business with decent values. What NC was after, and all fans secretly want was domination and success at all costs; face the consequences tomorrow, when he could always walk away. If NC had has his own funds to back up the actions would have been perfect. NC was great . Done everything with the veiw to take us to the top 4 in prem . Never will we head that fast to that goal again . Yes he was a bas***d but thats what you need when running a top football club . Now we have the players calling the shots. The flood gate has opened. Let's just hope we can bring in the players we need to move on . But then again now the world knows are targets . I like the why NC done things clubs new if they leaked a player we went after NC whould drop erm and buy the next on his list . ---- NC was great. SFC was his baby. Just a shame he wasn't the father and walked out as soon as he realised it. Can't really blame Kathryn for not wanting to have anything to do with him. Kamawoop
  • Score: 1

2:19pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Stnana says...

Confucious wrote:
When's happy hour?
3pm according to Twitter, apologies if anyone else already said this .
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: When's happy hour?[/p][/quote]3pm according to Twitter, apologies if anyone else already said this . Stnana
  • Score: 1

2:20pm Thu 3 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

SaintJD wrote:
OK, I think it's time the fans and the Echo united a bit here to get our voice heard. Would others please join me in emailing the Echo sports desk to see if they can make the club fully aware of the strength of fan feeling regarding player power taking over at our club. We need to make the board know they have our full backing in taking a loss in making a stand with Dejan Lovren and potentially others to come. Enough is enough and while this may well make absolutely not difference whatsoever, you never know, it might give them the guts to take some positive action. Whether it was Poch or Nicola or whoever it was, there seems to have been a poison running through the club since January and that needs to be sorted. A lot of people on here have a lot of patience and total loyalty and love for this club, which is why the anger being felt at the moment is so striking. This is not mindless overreaction, it is perfectly reasonable people (OK mostly anyway :)) who have simply had enough. echosport@dailyecho. co.uk
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH .... WE MAKE A STAND ... FIGHT AND WIN COYR
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: OK, I think it's time the fans and the Echo united a bit here to get our voice heard. Would others please join me in emailing the Echo sports desk to see if they can make the club fully aware of the strength of fan feeling regarding player power taking over at our club. We need to make the board know they have our full backing in taking a loss in making a stand with Dejan Lovren and potentially others to come. Enough is enough and while this may well make absolutely not difference whatsoever, you never know, it might give them the guts to take some positive action. Whether it was Poch or Nicola or whoever it was, there seems to have been a poison running through the club since January and that needs to be sorted. A lot of people on here have a lot of patience and total loyalty and love for this club, which is why the anger being felt at the moment is so striking. This is not mindless overreaction, it is perfectly reasonable people (OK mostly anyway :)) who have simply had enough. echosport@dailyecho. co.uk[/p][/quote]ENOUGH IS ENOUGH .... WE MAKE A STAND ... FIGHT AND WIN COYR The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 0

2:29pm Thu 3 Jul 14

ItchenBridger says...

Confucious wrote:
When's happy hour?
About a year away!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: When's happy hour?[/p][/quote]About a year away! ItchenBridger
  • Score: 2

2:38pm Thu 3 Jul 14

saint phil says...

If they sign a contract should the club hold them to IT.
If they sign a contract should the club hold them to IT. saint phil
  • Score: 1

2:39pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Wembley76 says...

Let him go....and make a nice big profit....re-invest in a quality C-B who wants to play for Saints....frankly can't be bothered with these mercenaries.....and unfortunately a sign of the money orientated times...we cannot and should not expect loyalty...was Cortese loyal to Adkins...I think not...Mo Po was not loyal to the board..and the players will of course behave in the same way...and btw....not sure Feyenoord or Twente fans will be too happy with our 'swoop' into the Eriedivisie....what goes around comes around...I am afraid
Let him go....and make a nice big profit....re-invest in a quality C-B who wants to play for Saints....frankly can't be bothered with these mercenaries.....and unfortunately a sign of the money orientated times...we cannot and should not expect loyalty...was Cortese loyal to Adkins...I think not...Mo Po was not loyal to the board..and the players will of course behave in the same way...and btw....not sure Feyenoord or Twente fans will be too happy with our 'swoop' into the Eriedivisie....what goes around comes around...I am afraid Wembley76
  • Score: 1

2:44pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Wembley76 says...

saint phil wrote:
If they sign a contract should the club hold them to IT.
Why...what's the point....I agree that is what we 'should do' and 'enforce the contract'....but in reality you cannot keep an unwilling player, it just doesn't work out....the negative influence / impact is more dangerous...and the way it works is that given his contract we can command a bigger fee in compensation....let him go for a nice big fee..we will make a good profit and can re-invest...
[quote][p][bold]saint phil[/bold] wrote: If they sign a contract should the club hold them to IT.[/p][/quote]Why...what's the point....I agree that is what we 'should do' and 'enforce the contract'....but in reality you cannot keep an unwilling player, it just doesn't work out....the negative influence / impact is more dangerous...and the way it works is that given his contract we can command a bigger fee in compensation....let him go for a nice big fee..we will make a good profit and can re-invest... Wembley76
  • Score: 1

2:45pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Dan Howard says...

Interesting piece by Simon Carter, whose output is generally quite eclectic and infrequent; aside from the exciting news about Lovren, has the hallmarks of a controversial ‘filler’ to cover for colleagues during the holiday season, unless he actually believes all that hyperbole about ‘the lack of respect to a football club that had showed so much to players who then showed so little back’ or at another point ‘Talk about a total lack of respect for the club that pays your wages’.
Respect for those that pay the wages? I think I must be missing something here, but if respect is defined by the wage relationship then surely whoever pays the greatest wage must be due the greatest respect. You could be forgiven for thinking that football players in general are something more than just professional sports folk with short careers whose clubs charge dedicated supporters large amounts of money to see them play and trade them for financial advantage at the drop of a hat. Most Premier League teams would struggle to rise even to the level of Frances Edmunds’ sardonic description of the England Cricket Team of 1985: “a few gentlemen, some professionals, a couple you’d rather not introduce to your mother and at least one you’d cross Oxford Street to avoid”.
As for Lovren, if the story is accurate, then I’m going to practice crossing the M27 at peak time.
Interesting piece by Simon Carter, whose output is generally quite eclectic and infrequent; aside from the exciting news about Lovren, has the hallmarks of a controversial ‘filler’ to cover for colleagues during the holiday season, unless he actually believes all that hyperbole about ‘the lack of respect to a football club that had showed so much to players who then showed so little back’ or at another point ‘Talk about a total lack of respect for the club that pays your wages’. Respect for those that pay the wages? I think I must be missing something here, but if respect is defined by the wage relationship then surely whoever pays the greatest wage must be due the greatest respect. You could be forgiven for thinking that football players in general are something more than just professional sports folk with short careers whose clubs charge dedicated supporters large amounts of money to see them play and trade them for financial advantage at the drop of a hat. Most Premier League teams would struggle to rise even to the level of Frances Edmunds’ sardonic description of the England Cricket Team of 1985: “a few gentlemen, some professionals, a couple you’d rather not introduce to your mother and at least one you’d cross Oxford Street to avoid”. As for Lovren, if the story is accurate, then I’m going to practice crossing the M27 at peak time. Dan Howard
  • Score: 2

2:59pm Thu 3 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

03alpe01 wrote:
And so the exodus continues. Oh how I'd love to meet the people who dismissed all this as 'paper talk' during the season and how Poch and everyone would stay and ask them what they think now.
There were only a handful of people, myself, seed, redandy and a couple of other who have predicted that this would happen.
We were the merchants of doom, nobody is going anywhere LISTEN TO REEDS STATEMENT, we were told.

We took a fair amount of abuse from the happy clappers with their heads buried in the sand.

Now it is happening for real, we get accused of being pleased that we were proved right.

It was like we were only to believe positive newspaper stories and anything else was lies because the press hate us.

Doubt if many of the posters who were in denial, would come back and admit they got it wrong and apologise for the vitriol some of us had to endure.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: And so the exodus continues. Oh how I'd love to meet the people who dismissed all this as 'paper talk' during the season and how Poch and everyone would stay and ask them what they think now.[/p][/quote]There were only a handful of people, myself, seed, redandy and a couple of other who have predicted that this would happen. We were the merchants of doom, nobody is going anywhere LISTEN TO REEDS STATEMENT, we were told. We took a fair amount of abuse from the happy clappers with their heads buried in the sand. Now it is happening for real, we get accused of being pleased that we were proved right. It was like we were only to believe positive newspaper stories and anything else was lies because the press hate us. Doubt if many of the posters who were in denial, would come back and admit they got it wrong and apologise for the vitriol some of us had to endure. costa gaz
  • Score: 2

3:01pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Kamawoop says...

Dan Howard. :) :)
Dan Howard. :) :) Kamawoop
  • Score: 0

3:03pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Kamawoop says...

costa gaz wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
And so the exodus continues. Oh how I'd love to meet the people who dismissed all this as 'paper talk' during the season and how Poch and everyone would stay and ask them what they think now.
There were only a handful of people, myself, seed, redandy and a couple of other who have predicted that this would happen.
We were the merchants of doom, nobody is going anywhere LISTEN TO REEDS STATEMENT, we were told.

We took a fair amount of abuse from the happy clappers with their heads buried in the sand.

Now it is happening for real, we get accused of being pleased that we were proved right.

It was like we were only to believe positive newspaper stories and anything else was lies because the press hate us.

Doubt if many of the posters who were in denial, would come back and admit they got it wrong and apologise for the vitriol some of us had to endure.
It is just because the Echo stirred it. Everything would have followed suit if the reporting had been all lollipops and butterflies.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: And so the exodus continues. Oh how I'd love to meet the people who dismissed all this as 'paper talk' during the season and how Poch and everyone would stay and ask them what they think now.[/p][/quote]There were only a handful of people, myself, seed, redandy and a couple of other who have predicted that this would happen. We were the merchants of doom, nobody is going anywhere LISTEN TO REEDS STATEMENT, we were told. We took a fair amount of abuse from the happy clappers with their heads buried in the sand. Now it is happening for real, we get accused of being pleased that we were proved right. It was like we were only to believe positive newspaper stories and anything else was lies because the press hate us. Doubt if many of the posters who were in denial, would come back and admit they got it wrong and apologise for the vitriol some of us had to endure.[/p][/quote]It is just because the Echo stirred it. Everything would have followed suit if the reporting had been all lollipops and butterflies. Kamawoop
  • Score: 2

3:03pm Thu 3 Jul 14

search for truth says...

I believe the Daily Echo has deliberately stirred things up, regarding all the players that are leaving SFC. They seem hellbent on continually making mischief in all their articles, written during this time.

They have never questioned whether there could be strong reasons why these events have happened. If the Daily Echo wants to be taken seriously as a newspaper then it's so called journalists should endeavour to investigate and find out the facts, rather than cutting and pasting rumours and articles from other newspapers.

The way the SFC Board have dealt with the loss of the previous manager and the players that have left since must raise serious questions amongst fans as to what was going on at SFC , particularly amongst the management .

Why did the heads of the Academy get the sack ( something stinks about this whole situation ) , why weren't the players allowed to make statements through the club . There are a lot of questions that only SFC management know the answers to.

I can't think of another premiership club whose lost it's manager, had the two heads of it's acclaimed Academy sacked and had top players wanting to leave, all of these events happening at the same time.
The only feasible reason must be down to some sort of power struggle within the Board of SFC
I believe the Daily Echo has deliberately stirred things up, regarding all the players that are leaving SFC. They seem hellbent on continually making mischief in all their articles, written during this time. They have never questioned whether there could be strong reasons why these events have happened. If the Daily Echo wants to be taken seriously as a newspaper then it's so called journalists should endeavour to investigate and find out the facts, rather than cutting and pasting rumours and articles from other newspapers. The way the SFC Board have dealt with the loss of the previous manager and the players that have left since must raise serious questions amongst fans as to what was going on at SFC , particularly amongst the management . Why did the heads of the Academy get the sack ( something stinks about this whole situation ) , why weren't the players allowed to make statements through the club . There are a lot of questions that only SFC management know the answers to. I can't think of another premiership club whose lost it's manager, had the two heads of it's acclaimed Academy sacked and had top players wanting to leave, all of these events happening at the same time. The only feasible reason must be down to some sort of power struggle within the Board of SFC search for truth
  • Score: 0

3:10pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Malcombe says...

IMO he' s not being be honest but whether he is or he isn't why did he sign for Southampton when he knew they were not in CLF? this exodus is never ending I and thousands like me will be glad when all the news that comes out of the Club can be positive about any signing and the Team, I've seen and heard on Saints site Jack Cork and James W -P and they seem happy with the new Management Team and the wonderful state of the Art Training ground, all the Players are seen smiling and looked happy and Cody Cropper is very impressed with Dave Watson so here we go sign Pelle and crack onward and upwards COYR
IMO he' s not being be honest but whether he is or he isn't why did he sign for Southampton when he knew they were not in CLF? this exodus is never ending I and thousands like me will be glad when all the news that comes out of the Club can be positive about any signing and the Team, I've seen and heard on Saints site Jack Cork and James W -P and they seem happy with the new Management Team and the wonderful state of the Art Training ground, all the Players are seen smiling and looked happy and Cody Cropper is very impressed with Dave Watson so here we go sign Pelle and crack onward and upwards COYR Malcombe
  • Score: 2

3:15pm Thu 3 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

search for truth wrote:
I believe the Daily Echo has deliberately stirred things up, regarding all the players that are leaving SFC. They seem hellbent on continually making mischief in all their articles, written during this time.

They have never questioned whether there could be strong reasons why these events have happened. If the Daily Echo wants to be taken seriously as a newspaper then it's so called journalists should endeavour to investigate and find out the facts, rather than cutting and pasting rumours and articles from other newspapers.

The way the SFC Board have dealt with the loss of the previous manager and the players that have left since must raise serious questions amongst fans as to what was going on at SFC , particularly amongst the management .

Why did the heads of the Academy get the sack ( something stinks about this whole situation ) , why weren't the players allowed to make statements through the club . There are a lot of questions that only SFC management know the answers to.

I can't think of another premiership club whose lost it's manager, had the two heads of it's acclaimed Academy sacked and had top players wanting to leave, all of these events happening at the same time.
The only feasible reason must be down to some sort of power struggle within the Board of SFC
I am a bit confused, are you saying the Echo has had a part to play in the current turmoil the club finds itself in?

The echo has a duty to report things good, bad or indifferent, unfortunately the bad things are happening more frequently than the others right now. They can be accused of publishing cr@ppy articles at times, but stirring.... they are not powerful nor big enough.

Should they leave the back page blank, if they see a story about someone wanting to leave the club, in fear they might upset a Saints fan?

We are having the heart and soul ripped out of our club right now and i'll guarantee you the Echo has not had any sort of influence what-so-ever.
[quote][p][bold]search for truth[/bold] wrote: I believe the Daily Echo has deliberately stirred things up, regarding all the players that are leaving SFC. They seem hellbent on continually making mischief in all their articles, written during this time. They have never questioned whether there could be strong reasons why these events have happened. If the Daily Echo wants to be taken seriously as a newspaper then it's so called journalists should endeavour to investigate and find out the facts, rather than cutting and pasting rumours and articles from other newspapers. The way the SFC Board have dealt with the loss of the previous manager and the players that have left since must raise serious questions amongst fans as to what was going on at SFC , particularly amongst the management . Why did the heads of the Academy get the sack ( something stinks about this whole situation ) , why weren't the players allowed to make statements through the club . There are a lot of questions that only SFC management know the answers to. I can't think of another premiership club whose lost it's manager, had the two heads of it's acclaimed Academy sacked and had top players wanting to leave, all of these events happening at the same time. The only feasible reason must be down to some sort of power struggle within the Board of SFC[/p][/quote]I am a bit confused, are you saying the Echo has had a part to play in the current turmoil the club finds itself in? The echo has a duty to report things good, bad or indifferent, unfortunately the bad things are happening more frequently than the others right now. They can be accused of publishing cr@ppy articles at times, but stirring.... they are not powerful nor big enough. Should they leave the back page blank, if they see a story about someone wanting to leave the club, in fear they might upset a Saints fan? We are having the heart and soul ripped out of our club right now and i'll guarantee you the Echo has not had any sort of influence what-so-ever. costa gaz
  • Score: 3

3:24pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Sheffieldsaint says...

Lovren and Lallana are liars and hypocrites, Check out what they said when they signed their (lucrative) long term contracts to what they are saying now. I was once told never to burn my bridges because you may live to regret. AL and DL have reduced their bridges to ashes. There are right and wrong ways of doing things, they most certainly chose the wrong way. When us mere mortals change our jobs we usually do it for money and say so, we don't rubbish our current employers and so end up moving on with their blessing. To make ludicrous statements like 'Southampton don't have the same aims as Liverpoo' is completely meaningless Surely every teams aims are to do the best they can and hope to achieve success. So please Lallana and Lovren don't take us for the fools you are. If you want to go p**s off and let us buy players who mean it when they kiss the badge.
Lovren and Lallana are liars and hypocrites, Check out what they said when they signed their (lucrative) long term contracts to what they are saying now. I was once told never to burn my bridges because you may live to regret. AL and DL have reduced their bridges to ashes. There are right and wrong ways of doing things, they most certainly chose the wrong way. When us mere mortals change our jobs we usually do it for money and say so, we don't rubbish our current employers and so end up moving on with their blessing. To make ludicrous statements like 'Southampton don't have the same aims as Liverpoo' is completely meaningless Surely every teams aims are to do the best they can and hope to achieve success. So please Lallana and Lovren don't take us for the fools you are. If you want to go p**s off and let us buy players who mean it when they kiss the badge. Sheffieldsaint
  • Score: 6

3:31pm Thu 3 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

The club should dump Lovren in the reserves and make him see out the rest of his contract. I know it's cutting off our nose to spite our face, but there has to come a point where we draw a line in the sand. How dare he pull this stunt. The fact that he's only been with us for a year only adds insult to injury. How can he look himself in mirror? If he wants out he should have the decency to conduct himself in the proper manner. Nobody can tell me he didn't use us as a stepping stone. Wherever he lands I wish him the worst of luck with the remainder of his career.

That little band of Happy Clappers who ganged up to shout down other posters have been noticeable by their absence. I believe the term is "lying low". Posting patronising comments telling fans to "cheer up", "everything will be fine", doesn't wash when news like this comes down the pipe, so they again VANISH for a while. Although occasionally one or two briefly surface, dipping a little tippy toe in the sea to see if they have the green light to resume patronising and shouting down duties!!!
The club should dump Lovren in the reserves and make him see out the rest of his contract. I know it's cutting off our nose to spite our face, but there has to come a point where we draw a line in the sand. How dare he pull this stunt. The fact that he's only been with us for a year only adds insult to injury. How can he look himself in mirror? If he wants out he should have the decency to conduct himself in the proper manner. Nobody can tell me he didn't use us as a stepping stone. Wherever he lands I wish him the worst of luck with the remainder of his career. That little band of Happy Clappers who ganged up to shout down other posters have been noticeable by their absence. I believe the term is "lying low". Posting patronising comments telling fans to "cheer up", "everything will be fine", doesn't wash when news like this comes down the pipe, so they again VANISH for a while. Although occasionally one or two briefly surface, dipping a little tippy toe in the sea to see if they have the green light to resume patronising and shouting down duties!!! redandy10
  • Score: 5

3:40pm Thu 3 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

search for truth wrote:
I believe the Daily Echo has deliberately stirred things up, regarding all the players that are leaving SFC. They seem hellbent on continually making mischief in all their articles, written during this time.

They have never questioned whether there could be strong reasons why these events have happened. If the Daily Echo wants to be taken seriously as a newspaper then it's so called journalists should endeavour to investigate and find out the facts, rather than cutting and pasting rumours and articles from other newspapers.

The way the SFC Board have dealt with the loss of the previous manager and the players that have left since must raise serious questions amongst fans as to what was going on at SFC , particularly amongst the management .

Why did the heads of the Academy get the sack ( something stinks about this whole situation ) , why weren't the players allowed to make statements through the club . There are a lot of questions that only SFC management know the answers to.

I can't think of another premiership club whose lost it's manager, had the two heads of it's acclaimed Academy sacked and had top players wanting to leave, all of these events happening at the same time.
The only feasible reason must be down to some sort of power struggle within the Board of SFC
Ha, ha, that's funny. So you accuse the Echo for stirring up trouble (by reporting and speculating about things that have actually happened) and follow it with a comment full of random speculation.

Clearly all is not well, but if the Echo reported that kind of speculation you'd be accusing them of stirring up trouble.
[quote][p][bold]search for truth[/bold] wrote: I believe the Daily Echo has deliberately stirred things up, regarding all the players that are leaving SFC. They seem hellbent on continually making mischief in all their articles, written during this time. They have never questioned whether there could be strong reasons why these events have happened. If the Daily Echo wants to be taken seriously as a newspaper then it's so called journalists should endeavour to investigate and find out the facts, rather than cutting and pasting rumours and articles from other newspapers. The way the SFC Board have dealt with the loss of the previous manager and the players that have left since must raise serious questions amongst fans as to what was going on at SFC , particularly amongst the management . Why did the heads of the Academy get the sack ( something stinks about this whole situation ) , why weren't the players allowed to make statements through the club . There are a lot of questions that only SFC management know the answers to. I can't think of another premiership club whose lost it's manager, had the two heads of it's acclaimed Academy sacked and had top players wanting to leave, all of these events happening at the same time. The only feasible reason must be down to some sort of power struggle within the Board of SFC[/p][/quote]Ha, ha, that's funny. So you accuse the Echo for stirring up trouble (by reporting and speculating about things that have actually happened) and follow it with a comment full of random speculation. Clearly all is not well, but if the Echo reported that kind of speculation you'd be accusing them of stirring up trouble. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

3:46pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Buddy SFC says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
I think your ignoring the £100 k per week !

That's his only project be assured !
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]I think your ignoring the £100 k per week ! That's his only project be assured ! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 5

3:47pm Thu 3 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

redandy10 wrote:
The club should dump Lovren in the reserves and make him see out the rest of his contract. I know it's cutting off our nose to spite our face, but there has to come a point where we draw a line in the sand. How dare he pull this stunt. The fact that he's only been with us for a year only adds insult to injury. How can he look himself in mirror? If he wants out he should have the decency to conduct himself in the proper manner. Nobody can tell me he didn't use us as a stepping stone. Wherever he lands I wish him the worst of luck with the remainder of his career.

That little band of Happy Clappers who ganged up to shout down other posters have been noticeable by their absence. I believe the term is "lying low". Posting patronising comments telling fans to "cheer up", "everything will be fine", doesn't wash when news like this comes down the pipe, so they again VANISH for a while. Although occasionally one or two briefly surface, dipping a little tippy toe in the sea to see if they have the green light to resume patronising and shouting down duties!!!
Yeah, I agree. At the end of the day Lovren seems to be playing hide and seek but will expect us to play our part in the negotiations of course and then make a nice media comment about the fans and thanking the club for giving him his chance.

When we do get him to enter into dialogue I think both he and Spider need to be sat down and told they either lead the team in this new era in senior roles, leading the team, or they honour their contracts but are banned from the training ground unless they display the right attitude.

It's annoying, because you can guarantee they'll be on the phone to Rickie, Luke and Adam who will be telling them how fantastic it is at their new clubs and what a mess it is at the Saints. No wonder they've had their heads turned.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The club should dump Lovren in the reserves and make him see out the rest of his contract. I know it's cutting off our nose to spite our face, but there has to come a point where we draw a line in the sand. How dare he pull this stunt. The fact that he's only been with us for a year only adds insult to injury. How can he look himself in mirror? If he wants out he should have the decency to conduct himself in the proper manner. Nobody can tell me he didn't use us as a stepping stone. Wherever he lands I wish him the worst of luck with the remainder of his career. That little band of Happy Clappers who ganged up to shout down other posters have been noticeable by their absence. I believe the term is "lying low". Posting patronising comments telling fans to "cheer up", "everything will be fine", doesn't wash when news like this comes down the pipe, so they again VANISH for a while. Although occasionally one or two briefly surface, dipping a little tippy toe in the sea to see if they have the green light to resume patronising and shouting down duties!!![/p][/quote]Yeah, I agree. At the end of the day Lovren seems to be playing hide and seek but will expect us to play our part in the negotiations of course and then make a nice media comment about the fans and thanking the club for giving him his chance. When we do get him to enter into dialogue I think both he and Spider need to be sat down and told they either lead the team in this new era in senior roles, leading the team, or they honour their contracts but are banned from the training ground unless they display the right attitude. It's annoying, because you can guarantee they'll be on the phone to Rickie, Luke and Adam who will be telling them how fantastic it is at their new clubs and what a mess it is at the Saints. No wonder they've had their heads turned. SaintJD
  • Score: 5

3:47pm Thu 3 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.
Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners.

The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club.

The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.
This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club.

And this is the bit that has me crying into my beer. It will always be the big what if as we look back.
But you are both ignoring the point Chipmonk1 made about the financial rules. If we don't have the revenue streams then we will trade insolvently and will suffer punishment in the U.K. and in Europe that will knock us backwards and the investment will be wasted or lost completely.

And as I have said before does KL want to use HER money that way?

Probably not I would say and she has employed a board which reflect that view.

After all she is the financial shareholder which doesn't mean she is an emotional share holder like us. We are emotional shareholders by choice. She is the owner and financial shareholder by inheritance and default, not by choice.

There lies the rub. Why should she invest her money in the risky business of football which probably won't give her a return. SFC is not
a rich girl's toy she would choose to buy. And she has no responsibility to follow her father's wishes, whatever they may have been. I don't think we have missed an opportunity I don't think that opportunity was ever there from the day KL inherited SFC.

As an aside and I have no evidence for this, just a gut feel, I think she fell out with Cortese over the funding of the Osvaldo deal which I think was done through a bank in the Virgin Islands using the club as collateral. (As reported by the DE). My feeling is this was done outside his remit and he took a gamble hoping to over achieve and make the top six. Unfortunately for him the gamble didn't come off.
George we've done this one before. You are allowed to lose something like £40m over three years, can't remember exactly now, we are no where near that so financial fairplay rules don't come into it. If we had a smart chairman he would have done a 'sponsorship deal' with the Liebherr group thereby getting cash into the business AND increasing its revenues and thereby the amount allowed to be spent on wages. Very simple very effective but no, he's done a deal with a business smaller than my own and whilst I nearly did a deal with Eastleigh as much as I love my company I don't see us as a Premier League shirt sponsor. The deal he has done is embarrassing.

You're point about Fat not wanting to spend her money on the club she inherited from her father is fair enough. So facking sell it to someone who does! Why oh why didn't she stand up and say 'this was my fathers project and I don't want to continue with it so I am going to go through the process of screening potential buyers who will take this club, it's players and fans forward.' The club could have been sold, intact, for a profit - everyone's a winner! What does it owe her? £13m purchase and £30m debt to equity - you telling me a decent buyer couldn't be found for £50m ffs?
No, but to spend the money we would need to spend to hit the top 4 with a squad of 24 decent players and pay them would cost £100m and more to sustain it YOY and that would blow the fair play rules. As for having the Liebherr group as sponsors, I think if KL wanted that to happen it would be a done deal already. That isn't down to the chairman, regardless of how smart he is or isn't.

If we stagnate as a club it will be down to KL not wishing to over invest in a business which does not deliver premium returns. Personally I think she will take back what the club owes her, establish it mid table, then sell it for a decent profit in one to two years time with a settled management team and a new stream of academy players coming through which would make it attractive to Middle/Far eastern buyers.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.[/p][/quote]Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners. The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club. The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.[/p][/quote]This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club. And this is the bit that has me crying into my beer. It will always be the big what if as we look back.[/p][/quote]But you are both ignoring the point Chipmonk1 made about the financial rules. If we don't have the revenue streams then we will trade insolvently and will suffer punishment in the U.K. and in Europe that will knock us backwards and the investment will be wasted or lost completely. And as I have said before does KL want to use HER money that way? Probably not I would say and she has employed a board which reflect that view. After all she is the financial shareholder which doesn't mean she is an emotional share holder like us. We are emotional shareholders by choice. She is the owner and financial shareholder by inheritance and default, not by choice. There lies the rub. Why should she invest her money in the risky business of football which probably won't give her a return. SFC is not a rich girl's toy she would choose to buy. And she has no responsibility to follow her father's wishes, whatever they may have been. I don't think we have missed an opportunity I don't think that opportunity was ever there from the day KL inherited SFC. As an aside and I have no evidence for this, just a gut feel, I think she fell out with Cortese over the funding of the Osvaldo deal which I think was done through a bank in the Virgin Islands using the club as collateral. (As reported by the DE). My feeling is this was done outside his remit and he took a gamble hoping to over achieve and make the top six. Unfortunately for him the gamble didn't come off.[/p][/quote]George we've done this one before. You are allowed to lose something like £40m over three years, can't remember exactly now, we are no where near that so financial fairplay rules don't come into it. If we had a smart chairman he would have done a 'sponsorship deal' with the Liebherr group thereby getting cash into the business AND increasing its revenues and thereby the amount allowed to be spent on wages. Very simple very effective but no, he's done a deal with a business smaller than my own and whilst I nearly did a deal with Eastleigh as much as I love my company I don't see us as a Premier League shirt sponsor. The deal he has done is embarrassing. You're point about Fat not wanting to spend her money on the club she inherited from her father is fair enough. So facking sell it to someone who does! Why oh why didn't she stand up and say 'this was my fathers project and I don't want to continue with it so I am going to go through the process of screening potential buyers who will take this club, it's players and fans forward.' The club could have been sold, intact, for a profit - everyone's a winner! What does it owe her? £13m purchase and £30m debt to equity - you telling me a decent buyer couldn't be found for £50m ffs?[/p][/quote]No, but to spend the money we would need to spend to hit the top 4 with a squad of 24 decent players and pay them would cost £100m and more to sustain it YOY and that would blow the fair play rules. As for having the Liebherr group as sponsors, I think if KL wanted that to happen it would be a done deal already. That isn't down to the chairman, regardless of how smart he is or isn't. If we stagnate as a club it will be down to KL not wishing to over invest in a business which does not deliver premium returns. Personally I think she will take back what the club owes her, establish it mid table, then sell it for a decent profit in one to two years time with a settled management team and a new stream of academy players coming through which would make it attractive to Middle/Far eastern buyers. george chivers
  • Score: 3

3:53pm Thu 3 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
The club should dump Lovren in the reserves and make him see out the rest of his contract. I know it's cutting off our nose to spite our face, but there has to come a point where we draw a line in the sand. How dare he pull this stunt. The fact that he's only been with us for a year only adds insult to injury. How can he look himself in mirror? If he wants out he should have the decency to conduct himself in the proper manner. Nobody can tell me he didn't use us as a stepping stone. Wherever he lands I wish him the worst of luck with the remainder of his career.

That little band of Happy Clappers who ganged up to shout down other posters have been noticeable by their absence. I believe the term is "lying low". Posting patronising comments telling fans to "cheer up", "everything will be fine", doesn't wash when news like this comes down the pipe, so they again VANISH for a while. Although occasionally one or two briefly surface, dipping a little tippy toe in the sea to see if they have the green light to resume patronising and shouting down duties!!!
Yeah, I agree. At the end of the day Lovren seems to be playing hide and seek but will expect us to play our part in the negotiations of course and then make a nice media comment about the fans and thanking the club for giving him his chance.

When we do get him to enter into dialogue I think both he and Spider need to be sat down and told they either lead the team in this new era in senior roles, leading the team, or they honour their contracts but are banned from the training ground unless they display the right attitude.

It's annoying, because you can guarantee they'll be on the phone to Rickie, Luke and Adam who will be telling them how fantastic it is at their new clubs and what a mess it is at the Saints. No wonder they've had their heads turned.
Good points!

Out of all of them Lovren's behaviour IMO is the most nauseating. Staying away, does it get anymore pathetic than doing that? He's gone into Dani territory with that one.

What you say about banning them from the training ground might be the best option, which player wants rust to set in!!!

Things are not looking great at the moment, but we have landed a quality manager with a good reputation. But with each player that leaves it makes the talent pool available to us smaller. The stink of a club going nowhere is wafting around us at the moment, so a few quality big name signings would help to reverse this negative perception of us.

I still firmly believe that this all started when KL started trying to wrestle control away from NC last year. If only she had given the guy another year in sole charge we could have qualified for Europe. She must now RECTIFY this mistake by financially backing Ronald to the HILT!!!
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: The club should dump Lovren in the reserves and make him see out the rest of his contract. I know it's cutting off our nose to spite our face, but there has to come a point where we draw a line in the sand. How dare he pull this stunt. The fact that he's only been with us for a year only adds insult to injury. How can he look himself in mirror? If he wants out he should have the decency to conduct himself in the proper manner. Nobody can tell me he didn't use us as a stepping stone. Wherever he lands I wish him the worst of luck with the remainder of his career. That little band of Happy Clappers who ganged up to shout down other posters have been noticeable by their absence. I believe the term is "lying low". Posting patronising comments telling fans to "cheer up", "everything will be fine", doesn't wash when news like this comes down the pipe, so they again VANISH for a while. Although occasionally one or two briefly surface, dipping a little tippy toe in the sea to see if they have the green light to resume patronising and shouting down duties!!![/p][/quote]Yeah, I agree. At the end of the day Lovren seems to be playing hide and seek but will expect us to play our part in the negotiations of course and then make a nice media comment about the fans and thanking the club for giving him his chance. When we do get him to enter into dialogue I think both he and Spider need to be sat down and told they either lead the team in this new era in senior roles, leading the team, or they honour their contracts but are banned from the training ground unless they display the right attitude. It's annoying, because you can guarantee they'll be on the phone to Rickie, Luke and Adam who will be telling them how fantastic it is at their new clubs and what a mess it is at the Saints. No wonder they've had their heads turned.[/p][/quote]Good points! Out of all of them Lovren's behaviour IMO is the most nauseating. Staying away, does it get anymore pathetic than doing that? He's gone into Dani territory with that one. What you say about banning them from the training ground might be the best option, which player wants rust to set in!!! Things are not looking great at the moment, but we have landed a quality manager with a good reputation. But with each player that leaves it makes the talent pool available to us smaller. The stink of a club going nowhere is wafting around us at the moment, so a few quality big name signings would help to reverse this negative perception of us. I still firmly believe that this all started when KL started trying to wrestle control away from NC last year. If only she had given the guy another year in sole charge we could have qualified for Europe. She must now RECTIFY this mistake by financially backing Ronald to the HILT!!! redandy10
  • Score: 4

3:53pm Thu 3 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

ItchenBridger wrote:
Confucious wrote:
When's happy hour?
About a year away!
Happy hour? You mean we're offering two players for the price of one now? Awesome.
[quote][p][bold]ItchenBridger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: When's happy hour?[/p][/quote]About a year away![/p][/quote]Happy hour? You mean we're offering two players for the price of one now? Awesome. SaintJD
  • Score: 3

3:54pm Thu 3 Jul 14

befriendly says...

It's all the media and agents that cause such ructions. The media, more often than not, incorrectly speculate a player wants to join so and so club or that club has asked his club about him. His agent, thinking about how much he'll make, then influences the player and the ball starts rolling, but how often do you see players leave one club, where they performed well, to join another another club and play like effluence to be sold on a year later.
It's all the media and agents that cause such ructions. The media, more often than not, incorrectly speculate a player wants to join so and so club or that club has asked his club about him. His agent, thinking about how much he'll make, then influences the player and the ball starts rolling, but how often do you see players leave one club, where they performed well, to join another another club and play like effluence to be sold on a year later. befriendly
  • Score: 1

4:04pm Thu 3 Jul 14

andy newbury says...

if i did not turn up for work i did not get paid" simples" don,t pay him and put him on gardening leave. someone HAS to make a stand at some time, make it here and now, the club must have lawyers who can implement this. stand up to him and also find out why and what the problem is.do not just bury our heads in the sand sort it out one way or another.
if i did not turn up for work i did not get paid" simples" don,t pay him and put him on gardening leave. someone HAS to make a stand at some time, make it here and now, the club must have lawyers who can implement this. stand up to him and also find out why and what the problem is.do not just bury our heads in the sand sort it out one way or another. andy newbury
  • Score: 1

4:06pm Thu 3 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

Wembley76 wrote:
Let him go....and make a nice big profit....re-invest in a quality C-B who wants to play for Saints....frankly can't be bothered with these mercenaries.....and unfortunately a sign of the money orientated times...we cannot and should not expect loyalty...was Cortese loyal to Adkins...I think not...Mo Po was not loyal to the board..and the players will of course behave in the same way...and btw....not sure Feyenoord or Twente fans will be too happy with our 'swoop' into the Eriedivisie....what goes around comes around...I am afraid
That's all very well, but can you tell me how many teams have done well the following season having changed 6-7 of their best first team players in the summer?

Rickie, Adam, Luke, Spider, Lovren - that's five, plus J-Rod through injury or sale, and, to be honest, I always felt Boruc and Fonte were on the list for potential replacement.

We also need to replace quite a few squad players in Guly and others, while the futures of Gaston and Dani are up in the air.

Realistically, if we spend our money wisely, we are going to be starting the new season with a team full of youngsters.

Personally, I think there is something quite exciting about that, but it's not easy as Villa have shown.

And sadly, what happens if that team does actually do quite well?
[quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: Let him go....and make a nice big profit....re-invest in a quality C-B who wants to play for Saints....frankly can't be bothered with these mercenaries.....and unfortunately a sign of the money orientated times...we cannot and should not expect loyalty...was Cortese loyal to Adkins...I think not...Mo Po was not loyal to the board..and the players will of course behave in the same way...and btw....not sure Feyenoord or Twente fans will be too happy with our 'swoop' into the Eriedivisie....what goes around comes around...I am afraid[/p][/quote]That's all very well, but can you tell me how many teams have done well the following season having changed 6-7 of their best first team players in the summer? Rickie, Adam, Luke, Spider, Lovren - that's five, plus J-Rod through injury or sale, and, to be honest, I always felt Boruc and Fonte were on the list for potential replacement. We also need to replace quite a few squad players in Guly and others, while the futures of Gaston and Dani are up in the air. Realistically, if we spend our money wisely, we are going to be starting the new season with a team full of youngsters. Personally, I think there is something quite exciting about that, but it's not easy as Villa have shown. And sadly, what happens if that team does actually do quite well? SaintJD
  • Score: 3

4:42pm Thu 3 Jul 14

mrtein says...

Got to be said Liverpool come out of this with no credit. No they come out of this as an utter discgrace. They have obvioulsy from before the end of the season been tapping up our players.

That said our board are not shopwing anywhere near the ambition that the previous regime did.

In 44 years of supporting saints this is the worst close season ever!
Got to be said Liverpool come out of this with no credit. No they come out of this as an utter discgrace. They have obvioulsy from before the end of the season been tapping up our players. That said our board are not shopwing anywhere near the ambition that the previous regime did. In 44 years of supporting saints this is the worst close season ever! mrtein
  • Score: 2

4:51pm Thu 3 Jul 14

cebu blue says...

You can always borrow a pompey player or two if it gets out of hand. Suppose at a stretch we might lend you one of our reserve players. No problem he would go straight into your first team without too much trouble... time is not on your side.
You can always borrow a pompey player or two if it gets out of hand. Suppose at a stretch we might lend you one of our reserve players. No problem he would go straight into your first team without too much trouble... time is not on your side. cebu blue
  • Score: 2

4:59pm Thu 3 Jul 14

SodburySaint93 says...

SaintJD wrote:
Wembley76 wrote:
Let him go....and make a nice big profit....re-invest in a quality C-B who wants to play for Saints....frankly can't be bothered with these mercenaries.....and unfortunately a sign of the money orientated times...we cannot and should not expect loyalty...was Cortese loyal to Adkins...I think not...Mo Po was not loyal to the board..and the players will of course behave in the same way...and btw....not sure Feyenoord or Twente fans will be too happy with our 'swoop' into the Eriedivisie....what goes around comes around...I am afraid
That's all very well, but can you tell me how many teams have done well the following season having changed 6-7 of their best first team players in the summer?

Rickie, Adam, Luke, Spider, Lovren - that's five, plus J-Rod through injury or sale, and, to be honest, I always felt Boruc and Fonte were on the list for potential replacement.

We also need to replace quite a few squad players in Guly and others, while the futures of Gaston and Dani are up in the air.

Realistically, if we spend our money wisely, we are going to be starting the new season with a team full of youngsters.

Personally, I think there is something quite exciting about that, but it's not easy as Villa have shown.

And sadly, what happens if that team does actually do quite well?
SaintJD

If that team does well we will have the last laugh and still have money in the bank !!!

COYS
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: Let him go....and make a nice big profit....re-invest in a quality C-B who wants to play for Saints....frankly can't be bothered with these mercenaries.....and unfortunately a sign of the money orientated times...we cannot and should not expect loyalty...was Cortese loyal to Adkins...I think not...Mo Po was not loyal to the board..and the players will of course behave in the same way...and btw....not sure Feyenoord or Twente fans will be too happy with our 'swoop' into the Eriedivisie....what goes around comes around...I am afraid[/p][/quote]That's all very well, but can you tell me how many teams have done well the following season having changed 6-7 of their best first team players in the summer? Rickie, Adam, Luke, Spider, Lovren - that's five, plus J-Rod through injury or sale, and, to be honest, I always felt Boruc and Fonte were on the list for potential replacement. We also need to replace quite a few squad players in Guly and others, while the futures of Gaston and Dani are up in the air. Realistically, if we spend our money wisely, we are going to be starting the new season with a team full of youngsters. Personally, I think there is something quite exciting about that, but it's not easy as Villa have shown. And sadly, what happens if that team does actually do quite well?[/p][/quote]SaintJD If that team does well we will have the last laugh and still have money in the bank !!! COYS SodburySaint93
  • Score: 0

5:01pm Thu 3 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

We need to employ these players on the Tory favourite Zero Hours contracts!
We need to employ these players on the Tory favourite Zero Hours contracts! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

5:05pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Wembley76 says...

SodburySaint93 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Wembley76 wrote:
Let him go....and make a nice big profit....re-invest in a quality C-B who wants to play for Saints....frankly can't be bothered with these mercenaries.....and unfortunately a sign of the money orientated times...we cannot and should not expect loyalty...was Cortese loyal to Adkins...I think not...Mo Po was not loyal to the board..and the players will of course behave in the same way...and btw....not sure Feyenoord or Twente fans will be too happy with our 'swoop' into the Eriedivisie....what goes around comes around...I am afraid
That's all very well, but can you tell me how many teams have done well the following season having changed 6-7 of their best first team players in the summer?

Rickie, Adam, Luke, Spider, Lovren - that's five, plus J-Rod through injury or sale, and, to be honest, I always felt Boruc and Fonte were on the list for potential replacement.

We also need to replace quite a few squad players in Guly and others, while the futures of Gaston and Dani are up in the air.

Realistically, if we spend our money wisely, we are going to be starting the new season with a team full of youngsters.

Personally, I think there is something quite exciting about that, but it's not easy as Villa have shown.

And sadly, what happens if that team does actually do quite well?
SaintJD

If that team does well we will have the last laugh and still have money in the bank !!!

COYS
Well Spurs last year...Man City....you are right it is not ideal, but what choice do we have? Mind you, imagine you were a Leeds fan, look at the shenanigans going on over there.....so there is always someone worse off!! :)
[quote][p][bold]SodburySaint93[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: Let him go....and make a nice big profit....re-invest in a quality C-B who wants to play for Saints....frankly can't be bothered with these mercenaries.....and unfortunately a sign of the money orientated times...we cannot and should not expect loyalty...was Cortese loyal to Adkins...I think not...Mo Po was not loyal to the board..and the players will of course behave in the same way...and btw....not sure Feyenoord or Twente fans will be too happy with our 'swoop' into the Eriedivisie....what goes around comes around...I am afraid[/p][/quote]That's all very well, but can you tell me how many teams have done well the following season having changed 6-7 of their best first team players in the summer? Rickie, Adam, Luke, Spider, Lovren - that's five, plus J-Rod through injury or sale, and, to be honest, I always felt Boruc and Fonte were on the list for potential replacement. We also need to replace quite a few squad players in Guly and others, while the futures of Gaston and Dani are up in the air. Realistically, if we spend our money wisely, we are going to be starting the new season with a team full of youngsters. Personally, I think there is something quite exciting about that, but it's not easy as Villa have shown. And sadly, what happens if that team does actually do quite well?[/p][/quote]SaintJD If that team does well we will have the last laugh and still have money in the bank !!! COYS[/p][/quote]Well Spurs last year...Man City....you are right it is not ideal, but what choice do we have? Mind you, imagine you were a Leeds fan, look at the shenanigans going on over there.....so there is always someone worse off!! :) Wembley76
  • Score: 1

5:11pm Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

cebu blue wrote:
You can always borrow a pompey player or two if it gets out of hand. Suppose at a stretch we might lend you one of our reserve players. No problem he would go straight into your first team without too much trouble... time is not on your side.
A good pish take for once from the abominable people down the sewerage end of the M27
[quote][p][bold]cebu blue[/bold] wrote: You can always borrow a pompey player or two if it gets out of hand. Suppose at a stretch we might lend you one of our reserve players. No problem he would go straight into your first team without too much trouble... time is not on your side.[/p][/quote]A good pish take for once from the abominable people down the sewerage end of the M27 jls217
  • Score: 2

5:12pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Supersaint90 says...

It's so f*****g annoying!! It seems like Southampton will never progress as a team because everytime we produce a player or bring in a player that has an awesome season, we always lose them!!! So p****d off right now. Really don't want to be negative but I think we will be lucky to stay up.
It's so f*****g annoying!! It seems like Southampton will never progress as a team because everytime we produce a player or bring in a player that has an awesome season, we always lose them!!! So p****d off right now. Really don't want to be negative but I think we will be lucky to stay up. Supersaint90
  • Score: 2

5:15pm Thu 3 Jul 14

jls217 says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Chipmonk1 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.
Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners.

The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club.

The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.
This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club.

And this is the bit that has me crying into my beer. It will always be the big what if as we look back.
But you are both ignoring the point Chipmonk1 made about the financial rules. If we don't have the revenue streams then we will trade insolvently and will suffer punishment in the U.K. and in Europe that will knock us backwards and the investment will be wasted or lost completely.

And as I have said before does KL want to use HER money that way?

Probably not I would say and she has employed a board which reflect that view.

After all she is the financial shareholder which doesn't mean she is an emotional share holder like us. We are emotional shareholders by choice. She is the owner and financial shareholder by inheritance and default, not by choice.

There lies the rub. Why should she invest her money in the risky business of football which probably won't give her a return. SFC is not
a rich girl's toy she would choose to buy. And she has no responsibility to follow her father's wishes, whatever they may have been. I don't think we have missed an opportunity I don't think that opportunity was ever there from the day KL inherited SFC.

As an aside and I have no evidence for this, just a gut feel, I think she fell out with Cortese over the funding of the Osvaldo deal which I think was done through a bank in the Virgin Islands using the club as collateral. (As reported by the DE). My feeling is this was done outside his remit and he took a gamble hoping to over achieve and make the top six. Unfortunately for him the gamble didn't come off.
George we've done this one before. You are allowed to lose something like £40m over three years, can't remember exactly now, we are no where near that so financial fairplay rules don't come into it. If we had a smart chairman he would have done a 'sponsorship deal' with the Liebherr group thereby getting cash into the business AND increasing its revenues and thereby the amount allowed to be spent on wages. Very simple very effective but no, he's done a deal with a business smaller than my own and whilst I nearly did a deal with Eastleigh as much as I love my company I don't see us as a Premier League shirt sponsor. The deal he has done is embarrassing.

You're point about Fat not wanting to spend her money on the club she inherited from her father is fair enough. So facking sell it to someone who does! Why oh why didn't she stand up and say 'this was my fathers project and I don't want to continue with it so I am going to go through the process of screening potential buyers who will take this club, it's players and fans forward.' The club could have been sold, intact, for a profit - everyone's a winner! What does it owe her? £13m purchase and £30m debt to equity - you telling me a decent buyer couldn't be found for £50m ffs?
No, but to spend the money we would need to spend to hit the top 4 with a squad of 24 decent players and pay them would cost £100m and more to sustain it YOY and that would blow the fair play rules. As for having the Liebherr group as sponsors, I think if KL wanted that to happen it would be a done deal already. That isn't down to the chairman, regardless of how smart he is or isn't.

If we stagnate as a club it will be down to KL not wishing to over invest in a business which does not deliver premium returns. Personally I think she will take back what the club owes her, establish it mid table, then sell it for a decent profit in one to two years time with a settled management team and a new stream of academy players coming through which would make it attractive to Middle/Far eastern buyers.
Yep I reckon that's a safe bet scenario mate. We shouldn't fear a new buy er necessarily though - wait to see what they plan for the club. The Liebherr group is wealthy but not wealthy enough (or crooked enough) to need a club as a laundry.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]Seed once again I hate to disagree with you here but as far as Cortese's vision goes, I would be only to happy to be one of the highest paid chairmen in the PL and I will sell a vision of getting saints not only in to the CL but winning it and then winning the confederations cup all within 3 years. Only catch is I need unlimited funds (I don't have the cash myself of course sorry) oh and as for those pesky financial fair play rules we'll just pay the fine and not worry about the squad reduction because with Bale Messi and CR7 in the team we won't need a big squad. Seriously though IMHO the likes of Lovren etc are using this "project" nonsense to justify their actions. The cold hard reality is that Saints at the moment just don't have the revenue streams required yet. It will take a few more years yet and selling players fir significantly more than we paid is one way of getting there so long as it is reinvested in the squad. I will turn on the current board if the money is pocketed as with some teams in recent years but if it is reinvested properly as promised they will continue to have my support.[/p][/quote]Cortese's contract was negotiated with Markus and it set out the increases he would get based on promotions league position etc. it started at £600k and he was on nearly £2m at the end. I know someone who audited the club and got to see it. In that time he took a club purchased for £13m to one worth at least ten times that. He made money for the owners. The starting 11 was made up of academy players, cheap buys when in the lower leagues and Jay Rod and Lovren at £7-8m each. When will any club have this chance again to challenge for the very top with such a small investment required, maybe less than £50m? The others have spent hundreds and hundreds of millions. This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club. The revenue streams come AFTER success not before, that is the nature of sport.[/p][/quote]This was a unique opportunity and we've squandered it. I think as time moves on and people look back they will see it as the biggest missed opportunity in the history of this football club. And this is the bit that has me crying into my beer. It will always be the big what if as we look back.[/p][/quote]But you are both ignoring the point Chipmonk1 made about the financial rules. If we don't have the revenue streams then we will trade insolvently and will suffer punishment in the U.K. and in Europe that will knock us backwards and the investment will be wasted or lost completely. And as I have said before does KL want to use HER money that way? Probably not I would say and she has employed a board which reflect that view. After all she is the financial shareholder which doesn't mean she is an emotional share holder like us. We are emotional shareholders by choice. She is the owner and financial shareholder by inheritance and default, not by choice. There lies the rub. Why should she invest her money in the risky business of football which probably won't give her a return. SFC is not a rich girl's toy she would choose to buy. And she has no responsibility to follow her father's wishes, whatever they may have been. I don't think we have missed an opportunity I don't think that opportunity was ever there from the day KL inherited SFC. As an aside and I have no evidence for this, just a gut feel, I think she fell out with Cortese over the funding of the Osvaldo deal which I think was done through a bank in the Virgin Islands using the club as collateral. (As reported by the DE). My feeling is this was done outside his remit and he took a gamble hoping to over achieve and make the top six. Unfortunately for him the gamble didn't come off.[/p][/quote]George we've done this one before. You are allowed to lose something like £40m over three years, can't remember exactly now, we are no where near that so financial fairplay rules don't come into it. If we had a smart chairman he would have done a 'sponsorship deal' with the Liebherr group thereby getting cash into the business AND increasing its revenues and thereby the amount allowed to be spent on wages. Very simple very effective but no, he's done a deal with a business smaller than my own and whilst I nearly did a deal with Eastleigh as much as I love my company I don't see us as a Premier League shirt sponsor. The deal he has done is embarrassing. You're point about Fat not wanting to spend her money on the club she inherited from her father is fair enough. So facking sell it to someone who does! Why oh why didn't she stand up and say 'this was my fathers project and I don't want to continue with it so I am going to go through the process of screening potential buyers who will take this club, it's players and fans forward.' The club could have been sold, intact, for a profit - everyone's a winner! What does it owe her? £13m purchase and £30m debt to equity - you telling me a decent buyer couldn't be found for £50m ffs?[/p][/quote]No, but to spend the money we would need to spend to hit the top 4 with a squad of 24 decent players and pay them would cost £100m and more to sustain it YOY and that would blow the fair play rules. As for having the Liebherr group as sponsors, I think if KL wanted that to happen it would be a done deal already. That isn't down to the chairman, regardless of how smart he is or isn't. If we stagnate as a club it will be down to KL not wishing to over invest in a business which does not deliver premium returns. Personally I think she will take back what the club owes her, establish it mid table, then sell it for a decent profit in one to two years time with a settled management team and a new stream of academy players coming through which would make it attractive to Middle/Far eastern buyers.[/p][/quote]Yep I reckon that's a safe bet scenario mate. We shouldn't fear a new buy er necessarily though - wait to see what they plan for the club. The Liebherr group is wealthy but not wealthy enough (or crooked enough) to need a club as a laundry. jls217
  • Score: 2

5:17pm Thu 3 Jul 14

NetleyNed says...

You wonder what pleasure any decent Liverpool fan (LOL) will get from fielding an almost Saints side next season. Is there no pride in their own club?
You wonder what pleasure any decent Liverpool fan (LOL) will get from fielding an almost Saints side next season. Is there no pride in their own club? NetleyNed
  • Score: 4

5:19pm Thu 3 Jul 14

BertCatt says...

As he put in a transfer request it shows he doesn't want to stay with Saints. So get max money for him. But meanwhile I'd like to know why these players are wanting to leave. Is it a case of 'rats and sinking ships?' Or are they just rats?
As he put in a transfer request it shows he doesn't want to stay with Saints. So get max money for him. But meanwhile I'd like to know why these players are wanting to leave. Is it a case of 'rats and sinking ships?' Or are they just rats? BertCatt
  • Score: 2

5:23pm Thu 3 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

notaclue wrote:
SaintinCanada wrote:
How about "No-play, no pay".....?
Or sell for £25m and move on?
You're going to sit in the stands and look at a pile of money?
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: How about "No-play, no pay".....?[/p][/quote]Or sell for £25m and move on?[/p][/quote]You're going to sit in the stands and look at a pile of money? lowe esteem
  • Score: 0

5:26pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Tony Robertson says...

SaintJD said : "Whether it was Poch or Nicola or whoever it was, there seems to have been a poison running through the club since January and that needs to be sorted."

The poison chalice is held by Reed ("LISTEN TO REEDS STATEMENT"). This person is an expensive trouble-maker, ask Charlton fans.

By the way Confucius he say all day is happy.


Tony Robertson, Stranraer
SaintJD said : "Whether it was Poch or Nicola or whoever it was, there seems to have been a poison running through the club since January and that needs to be sorted." The poison chalice is held by Reed ("LISTEN TO REEDS STATEMENT"). This person is an expensive trouble-maker, ask Charlton fans. By the way Confucius he say all day is happy. Tony Robertson, Stranraer Tony Robertson
  • Score: 0

5:38pm Thu 3 Jul 14

right back in the bar says...

costa gaz wrote:
search for truth wrote:
I believe the Daily Echo has deliberately stirred things up, regarding all the players that are leaving SFC. They seem hellbent on continually making mischief in all their articles, written during this time.

They have never questioned whether there could be strong reasons why these events have happened. If the Daily Echo wants to be taken seriously as a newspaper then it's so called journalists should endeavour to investigate and find out the facts, rather than cutting and pasting rumours and articles from other newspapers.

The way the SFC Board have dealt with the loss of the previous manager and the players that have left since must raise serious questions amongst fans as to what was going on at SFC , particularly amongst the management .

Why did the heads of the Academy get the sack ( something stinks about this whole situation ) , why weren't the players allowed to make statements through the club . There are a lot of questions that only SFC management know the answers to.

I can't think of another premiership club whose lost it's manager, had the two heads of it's acclaimed Academy sacked and had top players wanting to leave, all of these events happening at the same time.
The only feasible reason must be down to some sort of power struggle within the Board of SFC
I am a bit confused, are you saying the Echo has had a part to play in the current turmoil the club finds itself in?

The echo has a duty to report things good, bad or indifferent, unfortunately the bad things are happening more frequently than the others right now. They can be accused of publishing cr@ppy articles at times, but stirring.... they are not powerful nor big enough.

Should they leave the back page blank, if they see a story about someone wanting to leave the club, in fear they might upset a Saints fan?

We are having the heart and soul ripped out of our club right now and i'll guarantee you the Echo has not had any sort of influence what-so-ever.
No it hasn't much of it is down to the attitude of the players who are running roughshod all over our football club but who are being allowed to get away with it. Down to Reed now to make a stand. But hang on where is he? where are the reassuring words now! Nowhere to be seen obviously.
I agree with other posters - Lovren trains with the reserves away from the first team. But in all this histrionics I am trying to remember an important point - we still have great players. Assuming MS gets itchy feat make one of the others captain - Stephen Davis without question. massively underrated and thanks god for that.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for truth[/bold] wrote: I believe the Daily Echo has deliberately stirred things up, regarding all the players that are leaving SFC. They seem hellbent on continually making mischief in all their articles, written during this time. They have never questioned whether there could be strong reasons why these events have happened. If the Daily Echo wants to be taken seriously as a newspaper then it's so called journalists should endeavour to investigate and find out the facts, rather than cutting and pasting rumours and articles from other newspapers. The way the SFC Board have dealt with the loss of the previous manager and the players that have left since must raise serious questions amongst fans as to what was going on at SFC , particularly amongst the management . Why did the heads of the Academy get the sack ( something stinks about this whole situation ) , why weren't the players allowed to make statements through the club . There are a lot of questions that only SFC management know the answers to. I can't think of another premiership club whose lost it's manager, had the two heads of it's acclaimed Academy sacked and had top players wanting to leave, all of these events happening at the same time. The only feasible reason must be down to some sort of power struggle within the Board of SFC[/p][/quote]I am a bit confused, are you saying the Echo has had a part to play in the current turmoil the club finds itself in? The echo has a duty to report things good, bad or indifferent, unfortunately the bad things are happening more frequently than the others right now. They can be accused of publishing cr@ppy articles at times, but stirring.... they are not powerful nor big enough. Should they leave the back page blank, if they see a story about someone wanting to leave the club, in fear they might upset a Saints fan? We are having the heart and soul ripped out of our club right now and i'll guarantee you the Echo has not had any sort of influence what-so-ever.[/p][/quote]No it hasn't much of it is down to the attitude of the players who are running roughshod all over our football club but who are being allowed to get away with it. Down to Reed now to make a stand. But hang on where is he? where are the reassuring words now! Nowhere to be seen obviously. I agree with other posters - Lovren trains with the reserves away from the first team. But in all this histrionics I am trying to remember an important point - we still have great players. Assuming MS gets itchy feat make one of the others captain - Stephen Davis without question. massively underrated and thanks god for that. right back in the bar
  • Score: 6

5:40pm Thu 3 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

so we have to buy replacements for the players we are going to sell before we sell them because other teams know how much money we have to spend and will hold us over a barrel?
that's great in a perfect world but if every team tried that no one would move!
also didn't every club know how much spuds had to spend last season before they sold bale? of course they did and clubs screwed them for every last penny they could get.
doesn't every club know how much diverpooh have to spend before they sell the muncher? yes they do, we all know they are going to get £80mill from the muncher plus their usual spend. that's why saints were able to screw them for £25mill for lielana. its been an open secret that the muncher wanted out and was going to move, its pretty much a continuation from last summer, the new contract he signed was just to sort out the buy-out clause. the muncher was furious with diverpooh for ignoring the buy-out that arsenil triggered last summer and got the pfa in to help sort it out. yes that right fake diverpooh fans he was always going to go this summer and that's why everyone knws you blew your chance to win the league!
doesn't everyone know how much manure have given the manager to spend? every club knows that they have between £150mill and £200mill. that's why saints were able to screw them for £30mill for luke.
in an ideal world no club would know how much other clubs have to spend, but it aint an ideal world!

as for the `happy clappers` being in hiding, don't think so! and I for one don't have to apologise to anyone! I never said that players wouldn't be sold, I did say that the club can hold them to their contracts and not have to sell. I also said that the club will decide if they want to sell the players when they have a new manager in place, and the did (apart from rickie). I also said that I don't know if the club will sell them or not, and at the time no one did, you can say you did all you like but if koeman wanted to keep them they would still be here, strike threats or not!
I think I also said that there is no point blaming the board or owner for anything, and there isn't! this vision thing is the biggest load of carp excuse I`ve ever heard! did the players, who have been at the club for years and know it inside out, really think that we would be in the champs league in a year or 2? come off it they aren't that thick. they saw spuds spend over £100mill last summer and get nowhere near qualifying! players have left for their own reasons, rickie to play at his home town boyhood club. lielana to get a lot of money and get an easy route into champs league. luke because he wanted to play for a `big` club, he really wanted chelski but manure out priced them. yes chelski have spent big in the past but they are having a lot of trouble sticking within the eufa ffp rules.

seed, clubs can go £105mill in debt over 3 years if the owner inject equity. if not the figure is £15mill over 3 years. KL has injected equity, I think, so considering we were £7mill in debt last season we have a hell of a lot of leeway. do we really want to start running up huge debts though? as for the liebherr group being sponsors, that group is run by her uncles and she has nothing to do with it. her companies are in the mali group. there are however new rules in place to prevent owners sponsoring their own clubs to get around the ffp. mancy got caught out doing that and that's why eufa, under their own ffp rules (which are a lot more strict the fa`s, might be the £40mill figure you mention) hit them with squad reductions and fines.
as for veho, and the claim that they are a tiny company.
seed did you know they had these;
Sales office - Singapore
Sales office - Dubai, UAE
Sales office - NY, US
R&D/Logistics - Hong Kong
if they are `smaller` than your company I very much doubt they would have all those offices abroad. as for their supposed worth, do think they might just put all their tax returns from those offices through their respective countries? this may make them seem small but amazon and starbucks tax returns in this country are tiny in comparison to what they actually turn over! how is a company, that's as small as you claim it to be, able to run R&D/Logistics office in hong kong?
so we have to buy replacements for the players we are going to sell before we sell them because other teams know how much money we have to spend and will hold us over a barrel? that's great in a perfect world but if every team tried that no one would move! also didn't every club know how much spuds had to spend last season before they sold bale? of course they did and clubs screwed them for every last penny they could get. doesn't every club know how much diverpooh have to spend before they sell the muncher? yes they do, we all know they are going to get £80mill from the muncher plus their usual spend. that's why saints were able to screw them for £25mill for lielana. its been an open secret that the muncher wanted out and was going to move, its pretty much a continuation from last summer, the new contract he signed was just to sort out the buy-out clause. the muncher was furious with diverpooh for ignoring the buy-out that arsenil triggered last summer and got the pfa in to help sort it out. yes that right fake diverpooh fans he was always going to go this summer and that's why everyone knws you blew your chance to win the league! doesn't everyone know how much manure have given the manager to spend? every club knows that they have between £150mill and £200mill. that's why saints were able to screw them for £30mill for luke. in an ideal world no club would know how much other clubs have to spend, but it aint an ideal world! as for the `happy clappers` being in hiding, don't think so! and I for one don't have to apologise to anyone! I never said that players wouldn't be sold, I did say that the club can hold them to their contracts and not have to sell. I also said that the club will decide if they want to sell the players when they have a new manager in place, and the did (apart from rickie). I also said that I don't know if the club will sell them or not, and at the time no one did, you can say you did all you like but if koeman wanted to keep them they would still be here, strike threats or not! I think I also said that there is no point blaming the board or owner for anything, and there isn't! this vision thing is the biggest load of carp excuse I`ve ever heard! did the players, who have been at the club for years and know it inside out, really think that we would be in the champs league in a year or 2? come off it they aren't that thick. they saw spuds spend over £100mill last summer and get nowhere near qualifying! players have left for their own reasons, rickie to play at his home town boyhood club. lielana to get a lot of money and get an easy route into champs league. luke because he wanted to play for a `big` club, he really wanted chelski but manure out priced them. yes chelski have spent big in the past but they are having a lot of trouble sticking within the eufa ffp rules. seed, clubs can go £105mill in debt over 3 years if the owner inject equity. if not the figure is £15mill over 3 years. KL has injected equity, I think, so considering we were £7mill in debt last season we have a hell of a lot of leeway. do we really want to start running up huge debts though? as for the liebherr group being sponsors, that group is run by her uncles and she has nothing to do with it. her companies are in the mali group. there are however new rules in place to prevent owners sponsoring their own clubs to get around the ffp. mancy got caught out doing that and that's why eufa, under their own ffp rules (which are a lot more strict the fa`s, might be the £40mill figure you mention) hit them with squad reductions and fines. as for veho, and the claim that they are a tiny company. seed did you know they had these; Sales office - Singapore Sales office - Dubai, UAE Sales office - NY, US R&D/Logistics - Hong Kong if they are `smaller` than your company I very much doubt they would have all those offices abroad. as for their supposed worth, do think they might just put all their tax returns from those offices through their respective countries? this may make them seem small but amazon and starbucks tax returns in this country are tiny in comparison to what they actually turn over! how is a company, that's as small as you claim it to be, able to run R&D/Logistics office in hong kong? de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 5

5:42pm Thu 3 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

Wembley76 wrote:
SodburySaint93 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Wembley76 wrote:
Let him go....and make a nice big profit....re-invest in a quality C-B who wants to play for Saints....frankly can't be bothered with these mercenaries.....and unfortunately a sign of the money orientated times...we cannot and should not expect loyalty...was Cortese loyal to Adkins...I think not...Mo Po was not loyal to the board..and the players will of course behave in the same way...and btw....not sure Feyenoord or Twente fans will be too happy with our 'swoop' into the Eriedivisie....what goes around comes around...I am afraid
That's all very well, but can you tell me how many teams have done well the following season having changed 6-7 of their best first team players in the summer?

Rickie, Adam, Luke, Spider, Lovren - that's five, plus J-Rod through injury or sale, and, to be honest, I always felt Boruc and Fonte were on the list for potential replacement.

We also need to replace quite a few squad players in Guly and others, while the futures of Gaston and Dani are up in the air.

Realistically, if we spend our money wisely, we are going to be starting the new season with a team full of youngsters.

Personally, I think there is something quite exciting about that, but it's not easy as Villa have shown.

And sadly, what happens if that team does actually do quite well?
SaintJD

If that team does well we will have the last laugh and still have money in the bank !!!

COYS
Well Spurs last year...Man City....you are right it is not ideal, but what choice do we have? Mind you, imagine you were a Leeds fan, look at the shenanigans going on over there.....so there is always someone worse off!! :)
So, just in a fun way (as we need some fun on here today), let's say he does force through a deal or Spider wants off to Spurs (so he can join the ranks of the equally as good defensive midfielder club they have going there), any two players we'd take in part exchange?

Any of Dembele, Townsend, Rose, Kane, Dawson etc worth a punt? I'm not going to say Adebayor because frankly I'm done with to$$ers.

Though to be honest I'm still more for letting them rot in the reserves and buying elsewhere with the money we already have.

Buying Ba from Chelsea would cheer me up a bit though (seems to be a bit of a forgotten man despite his Champions League goals) to go alongside Pelle and Tadic in the new era.
[quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SodburySaint93[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: Let him go....and make a nice big profit....re-invest in a quality C-B who wants to play for Saints....frankly can't be bothered with these mercenaries.....and unfortunately a sign of the money orientated times...we cannot and should not expect loyalty...was Cortese loyal to Adkins...I think not...Mo Po was not loyal to the board..and the players will of course behave in the same way...and btw....not sure Feyenoord or Twente fans will be too happy with our 'swoop' into the Eriedivisie....what goes around comes around...I am afraid[/p][/quote]That's all very well, but can you tell me how many teams have done well the following season having changed 6-7 of their best first team players in the summer? Rickie, Adam, Luke, Spider, Lovren - that's five, plus J-Rod through injury or sale, and, to be honest, I always felt Boruc and Fonte were on the list for potential replacement. We also need to replace quite a few squad players in Guly and others, while the futures of Gaston and Dani are up in the air. Realistically, if we spend our money wisely, we are going to be starting the new season with a team full of youngsters. Personally, I think there is something quite exciting about that, but it's not easy as Villa have shown. And sadly, what happens if that team does actually do quite well?[/p][/quote]SaintJD If that team does well we will have the last laugh and still have money in the bank !!! COYS[/p][/quote]Well Spurs last year...Man City....you are right it is not ideal, but what choice do we have? Mind you, imagine you were a Leeds fan, look at the shenanigans going on over there.....so there is always someone worse off!! :)[/p][/quote]So, just in a fun way (as we need some fun on here today), let's say he does force through a deal or Spider wants off to Spurs (so he can join the ranks of the equally as good defensive midfielder club they have going there), any two players we'd take in part exchange? Any of Dembele, Townsend, Rose, Kane, Dawson etc worth a punt? I'm not going to say Adebayor because frankly I'm done with to$$ers. Though to be honest I'm still more for letting them rot in the reserves and buying elsewhere with the money we already have. Buying Ba from Chelsea would cheer me up a bit though (seems to be a bit of a forgotten man despite his Champions League goals) to go alongside Pelle and Tadic in the new era. SaintJD
  • Score: 3

5:49pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Emsworthsaint says...

Berkshire Saint wrote:
If Lovren goes then this will be a sad indictment of the new regime. I would like to see the board stand firm on at least one of our key players, I could just about tolerate 2 leaving but 4 would be ridiculous following our best season in 30 years. I love the optimism of our fans but we're talking about a completely new team taking the field in 6 weeks and there's no way we'll be ready in time.
Remember Kenwin Jones, went on strike - we put him to train with youth and in 2 days accepted a £6m bid from Sunderland and off he went !

Players and Agents rule - we don't like it but that's the business called modern day football.
[quote][p][bold]Berkshire Saint[/bold] wrote: If Lovren goes then this will be a sad indictment of the new regime. I would like to see the board stand firm on at least one of our key players, I could just about tolerate 2 leaving but 4 would be ridiculous following our best season in 30 years. I love the optimism of our fans but we're talking about a completely new team taking the field in 6 weeks and there's no way we'll be ready in time.[/p][/quote]Remember Kenwin Jones, went on strike - we put him to train with youth and in 2 days accepted a £6m bid from Sunderland and off he went ! Players and Agents rule - we don't like it but that's the business called modern day football. Emsworthsaint
  • Score: 0

5:50pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Confucious says...

Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.
Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones. Confucious
  • Score: 1

6:01pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Confucious says...

I have e mailed Katherina to ask for a £999 million club cash injection and a Big Boss salary of £4.5m a year for me - plus complete autocratic interference free control of the club - in order to pursue my ambitious vision of ensuring we win the Champions League.

I hope she can see that "The Confucious Way" leads to a glorious future - and coughs up the dough. I will be very disappointed if it turns out she has no ambition or vision.

Watch this space.......
I have e mailed Katherina to ask for a £999 million club cash injection and a Big Boss salary of £4.5m a year for me - plus complete autocratic interference free control of the club - in order to pursue my ambitious vision of ensuring we win the Champions League. I hope she can see that "The Confucious Way" leads to a glorious future - and coughs up the dough. I will be very disappointed if it turns out she has no ambition or vision. Watch this space....... Confucious
  • Score: 5

6:09pm Thu 3 Jul 14

AdamG10 says...

Isn't he just yet to return due to being at the World Cup?
Isn't he just yet to return due to being at the World Cup? AdamG10
  • Score: 2

6:43pm Thu 3 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Confucious wrote:
I have e mailed Katherina to ask for a £999 million club cash injection and a Big Boss salary of £4.5m a year for me - plus complete autocratic interference free control of the club - in order to pursue my ambitious vision of ensuring we win the Champions League.

I hope she can see that "The Confucious Way" leads to a glorious future - and coughs up the dough. I will be very disappointed if it turns out she has no ambition or vision.

Watch this space.......
Does she know you've got Mrs Wilson on the inside?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: I have e mailed Katherina to ask for a £999 million club cash injection and a Big Boss salary of £4.5m a year for me - plus complete autocratic interference free control of the club - in order to pursue my ambitious vision of ensuring we win the Champions League. I hope she can see that "The Confucious Way" leads to a glorious future - and coughs up the dough. I will be very disappointed if it turns out she has no ambition or vision. Watch this space.......[/p][/quote]Does she know you've got Mrs Wilson on the inside? george chivers
  • Score: 3

6:55pm Thu 3 Jul 14

echo1948 says...

cebu blue wrote:
You can always borrow a pompey player or two if it gets out of hand. Suppose at a stretch we might lend you one of our reserve players. No problem he would go straight into your first team without too much trouble... time is not on your side.
Iwas wondering when the Skate dickheads would pipe up!
[quote][p][bold]cebu blue[/bold] wrote: You can always borrow a pompey player or two if it gets out of hand. Suppose at a stretch we might lend you one of our reserve players. No problem he would go straight into your first team without too much trouble... time is not on your side.[/p][/quote]Iwas wondering when the Skate dickheads would pipe up! echo1948
  • Score: 3

6:59pm Thu 3 Jul 14

echo1948 says...

After all of today,s more doom & gloom, I need LEE OF THE LANE to give us a good laugh. Where are you?
After all of today,s more doom & gloom, I need LEE OF THE LANE to give us a good laugh. Where are you? echo1948
  • Score: 3

7:05pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

cebu blue wrote:
You can always borrow a pompey player or two if it gets out of hand. Suppose at a stretch we might lend you one of our reserve players. No problem he would go straight into your first team without too much trouble... time is not on your side.
No thanks. We can always play one of our twelve year olds. They're much better.
[quote][p][bold]cebu blue[/bold] wrote: You can always borrow a pompey player or two if it gets out of hand. Suppose at a stretch we might lend you one of our reserve players. No problem he would go straight into your first team without too much trouble... time is not on your side.[/p][/quote]No thanks. We can always play one of our twelve year olds. They're much better. Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

7:09pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Simmo13 says...

LFCalways wrote:
Saints.born93 wrote:
Or he's just being given an extra couple of weeks off because of the World Cup. Maybe he's not wanting to play for us again but let's not all jump the bus and take the Daily Echo's words and believe their apparent close sources! But, Time will tell!
You guys were warned with lallana and look what happened? be same story! And yes seems the same with Suarez until Barcelona meet our value.
Fweck off you stupid tw_t no wonder Brenda is near the top of the league you are buying your position you silly out of work d_ck
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints.born93[/bold] wrote: Or he's just being given an extra couple of weeks off because of the World Cup. Maybe he's not wanting to play for us again but let's not all jump the bus and take the Daily Echo's words and believe their apparent close sources! But, Time will tell![/p][/quote]You guys were warned with lallana and look what happened? be same story! And yes seems the same with Suarez until Barcelona meet our value.[/p][/quote]Fweck off you stupid tw_t no wonder Brenda is near the top of the league you are buying your position you silly out of work d_ck Simmo13
  • Score: 1

7:11pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Simmo13 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
cebu blue wrote:
You can always borrow a pompey player or two if it gets out of hand. Suppose at a stretch we might lend you one of our reserve players. No problem he would go straight into your first team without too much trouble... time is not on your side.
No thanks. We can always play one of our twelve year olds. They're much better.
We don't need stewards or ground cleaners little dickie
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cebu blue[/bold] wrote: You can always borrow a pompey player or two if it gets out of hand. Suppose at a stretch we might lend you one of our reserve players. No problem he would go straight into your first team without too much trouble... time is not on your side.[/p][/quote]No thanks. We can always play one of our twelve year olds. They're much better.[/p][/quote]We don't need stewards or ground cleaners little dickie Simmo13
  • Score: 0

7:15pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Confucious says...

george chivers wrote:
Confucious wrote:
I have e mailed Katherina to ask for a £999 million club cash injection and a Big Boss salary of £4.5m a year for me - plus complete autocratic interference free control of the club - in order to pursue my ambitious vision of ensuring we win the Champions League.

I hope she can see that "The Confucious Way" leads to a glorious future - and coughs up the dough. I will be very disappointed if it turns out she has no ambition or vision.

Watch this space.......
Does she know you've got Mrs Wilson on the inside?
Shhhhhhh...nod nod...wink wink...say no more.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: I have e mailed Katherina to ask for a £999 million club cash injection and a Big Boss salary of £4.5m a year for me - plus complete autocratic interference free control of the club - in order to pursue my ambitious vision of ensuring we win the Champions League. I hope she can see that "The Confucious Way" leads to a glorious future - and coughs up the dough. I will be very disappointed if it turns out she has no ambition or vision. Watch this space.......[/p][/quote]Does she know you've got Mrs Wilson on the inside?[/p][/quote]Shhhhhhh...nod nod...wink wink...say no more. Confucious
  • Score: 3

7:41pm Thu 3 Jul 14

fasteddie49 says...

pitbull wrote:
Yet another player who thinks he's too good for Saints.
Didn't he leave Lyon when they were in the Champions League? So much for ambition.
He was sold "the project" by the previous manager and chairman on the back of someone elses money.
The fact that the previous chairman had already amounted £25m debt on transfer fees plus the cost of the training facilities being doubled added to more debt.
If he was left to do his own thing we could have ended up in financial doo doo. Possibly ending up like the fishy lot down the road, or would Khatarina have dipped into her pocket to bail us out yet again.

It's time to clear out everything to do with the previous lot and start again, any of the players want out, sell them for the best possible price and move on.
I'm really getting sick of the poison lurking through St Mary's, dis-infect it and return to good health.
I totally agree with this comment. NC made promises that he could not keep, and was not authorised to make, and the new board are now having to sort out his mess. We must back the board and RK.
[quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: Yet another player who thinks he's too good for Saints. Didn't he leave Lyon when they were in the Champions League? So much for ambition. He was sold "the project" by the previous manager and chairman on the back of someone elses money. The fact that the previous chairman had already amounted £25m debt on transfer fees plus the cost of the training facilities being doubled added to more debt. If he was left to do his own thing we could have ended up in financial doo doo. Possibly ending up like the fishy lot down the road, or would Khatarina have dipped into her pocket to bail us out yet again. It's time to clear out everything to do with the previous lot and start again, any of the players want out, sell them for the best possible price and move on. I'm really getting sick of the poison lurking through St Mary's, dis-infect it and return to good health.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with this comment. NC made promises that he could not keep, and was not authorised to make, and the new board are now having to sort out his mess. We must back the board and RK. fasteddie49
  • Score: 6

7:42pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

John Smith34 wrote:
Wow, just wow. If true, the modern day footballer never ceases to disgust me. Don't sell him and then don't play him.
'Wow, just wow.' No comment on this site has ever summed up an article more eloquently.
[quote][p][bold]John Smith34[/bold] wrote: Wow, just wow. If true, the modern day footballer never ceases to disgust me. Don't sell him and then don't play him.[/p][/quote]'Wow, just wow.' No comment on this site has ever summed up an article more eloquently. Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 5

7:44pm Thu 3 Jul 14

highanxiety says...

I hope that Saints will conduct a enquiry into why so many players have left the club. Courteses dismissal needs to be explained as does the relationship he had with Pochetino. They seemed to come as a package and while the results were good, there seems to have been an agenda that was not in Saints best interests
I hope that Saints will conduct a enquiry into why so many players have left the club. Courteses dismissal needs to be explained as does the relationship he had with Pochetino. They seemed to come as a package and while the results were good, there seems to have been an agenda that was not in Saints best interests highanxiety
  • Score: 6

7:50pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Chapperall says...

If this story is true it is absolutely unbelievable! A player who was a nobody before joining Saints is now holding the club to ransom. Personally I would call his bluff and fine him if he doesn't turn up, or put a price on him that if he goes we can buy three better players. These players that have left Saints are in for a wake up call as the grass is not always greener. One thing for sure they will all get an interesting reception when they come to St Marys!
If this story is true it is absolutely unbelievable! A player who was a nobody before joining Saints is now holding the club to ransom. Personally I would call his bluff and fine him if he doesn't turn up, or put a price on him that if he goes we can buy three better players. These players that have left Saints are in for a wake up call as the grass is not always greener. One thing for sure they will all get an interesting reception when they come to St Marys! Chapperall
  • Score: 5

7:59pm Thu 3 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

Enrico Palazzo wrote:
John Smith34 wrote:
Wow, just wow. If true, the modern day footballer never ceases to disgust me. Don't sell him and then don't play him.
'Wow, just wow.' No comment on this site has ever summed up an article more eloquently.
You are right! Easily the most spot on post I have ever read on here.
[quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Smith34[/bold] wrote: Wow, just wow. If true, the modern day footballer never ceases to disgust me. Don't sell him and then don't play him.[/p][/quote]'Wow, just wow.' No comment on this site has ever summed up an article more eloquently.[/p][/quote]You are right! Easily the most spot on post I have ever read on here. redandy10
  • Score: 3

8:03pm Thu 3 Jul 14

fasteddie49 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Yes the players are a greedy buch of barstewards incited by mercenary wages and the Corporate global brand clubs who buy success….however we had appeared under NC to have offered something, a vision a togetherness a chance of forcing ourselves onto the scene….

Whatever the rights and wrongs clearly the board have not demonstrated the same vision..

.. smaller growing companies in all industries have to fend of predatory approaches for their staff and sevices everyday yet some do make it and the owners are adept at keeping staff happy and pinting a big picture and sharing the rewards along the way…"this is clearly NOT happening".

Staying as a 30.000 club will mean this continual 'also ran' fate will await us for the rest of our lives.

Yet it does not have to be this way.

Global sponsership….Amex stadium anyone (bigger than us next year)

A magnificent stadium with the start of a metro system linking the docks to the station and city…vision!

Manchester is a sensational city in no small part to it's metro..road jams are in the centre non existent make the city pleasent and more people will come.

A loss leader policy on under 12's fill the ground every game.

Loyalty Share offerings to players and management over an 8 year building period.

Players leaving Southampton will a t present be offered a 100k week maximum..the 250k a week only happens when they have already proven at one of Europes elite (sic) clubs…..therefore up our max to 75k it is near enough for any of those with a sense of decency and family life here (wifes think of things other than just money) to not bother with the upheaval.

A guaranteed pension for an ambassadorial role eliminating the fear factor of short playing careers for lifetime service…

Articulate our beliefs and desires to the kids and recruits from day one.

Educate via regional advertising the importanvce of being a SOUTHerner means supporting SOUTHampton….creat a Bilbao effect.

This is not as simple as just greedy players, agents or possibly a greedy board…it is about a root and branch philosophy and city, south interaction.
A superb post with great ideas to increase our fanbase. I think the priority is to somehow maintain our PL status in this crisis and then prioritise putting another 10k on the stadium capacity so that we start to achieve my definition of a 'big club' i.e. Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Yes the players are a greedy buch of barstewards incited by mercenary wages and the Corporate global brand clubs who buy success….however we had appeared under NC to have offered something, a vision a togetherness a chance of forcing ourselves onto the scene…. Whatever the rights and wrongs clearly the board have not demonstrated the same vision.. .. smaller growing companies in all industries have to fend of predatory approaches for their staff and sevices everyday yet some do make it and the owners are adept at keeping staff happy and pinting a big picture and sharing the rewards along the way…"this is clearly NOT happening". Staying as a 30.000 club will mean this continual 'also ran' fate will await us for the rest of our lives. Yet it does not have to be this way. Global sponsership….Amex stadium anyone (bigger than us next year) A magnificent stadium with the start of a metro system linking the docks to the station and city…vision! Manchester is a sensational city in no small part to it's metro..road jams are in the centre non existent make the city pleasent and more people will come. A loss leader policy on under 12's fill the ground every game. Loyalty Share offerings to players and management over an 8 year building period. Players leaving Southampton will a t present be offered a 100k week maximum..the 250k a week only happens when they have already proven at one of Europes elite (sic) clubs…..therefore up our max to 75k it is near enough for any of those with a sense of decency and family life here (wifes think of things other than just money) to not bother with the upheaval. A guaranteed pension for an ambassadorial role eliminating the fear factor of short playing careers for lifetime service… Articulate our beliefs and desires to the kids and recruits from day one. Educate via regional advertising the importanvce of being a SOUTHerner means supporting SOUTHampton….creat a Bilbao effect. This is not as simple as just greedy players, agents or possibly a greedy board…it is about a root and branch philosophy and city, south interaction.[/p][/quote]A superb post with great ideas to increase our fanbase. I think the priority is to somehow maintain our PL status in this crisis and then prioritise putting another 10k on the stadium capacity so that we start to achieve my definition of a 'big club' i.e. Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs. fasteddie49
  • Score: 1

8:13pm Thu 3 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

cebu blue wrote:
You can always borrow a pompey player or two if it gets out of hand. Suppose at a stretch we might lend you one of our reserve players. No problem he would go straight into your first team without too much trouble... time is not on your side.
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KKK!!!!!!!!!
COYR FOADP
[quote][p][bold]cebu blue[/bold] wrote: You can always borrow a pompey player or two if it gets out of hand. Suppose at a stretch we might lend you one of our reserve players. No problem he would go straight into your first team without too much trouble... time is not on your side.[/p][/quote]PPPPPPPPRRRRRRRRIIII IIIIIIIIICCCCCCKKKKK KKK!!!!!!!!! COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: -1

8:21pm Thu 3 Jul 14

fasteddie49 says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I fear mid table mediocrity more than relegation. We finally had a chairman who was actually more ambitious than many of the fans, many of us started to really believe, we may have failed but so what, we were going to try - and striving for excellence is what it's all about in any walk of life.
He was doing it all with someone else's money, though. I think it's fairly easy to throw money at problems to fix them by promising the earth.

The trick - the thing that separates the men from the boys on this - is to do it in a way that doesn't completely p1ss off the person whose money it is. That's a far harder job, and that's what Ralph has to manage.
Spot on!
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I fear mid table mediocrity more than relegation. We finally had a chairman who was actually more ambitious than many of the fans, many of us started to really believe, we may have failed but so what, we were going to try - and striving for excellence is what it's all about in any walk of life.[/p][/quote]He was doing it all with someone else's money, though. I think it's fairly easy to throw money at problems to fix them by promising the earth. The trick - the thing that separates the men from the boys on this - is to do it in a way that doesn't completely p1ss off the person whose money it is. That's a far harder job, and that's what Ralph has to manage.[/p][/quote]Spot on! fasteddie49
  • Score: 0

8:22pm Thu 3 Jul 14

saintmicky says...

fasteddie49 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Yes the players are a greedy buch of barstewards incited by mercenary wages and the Corporate global brand clubs who buy success….however we had appeared under NC to have offered something, a vision a togetherness a chance of forcing ourselves onto the scene….

Whatever the rights and wrongs clearly the board have not demonstrated the same vision..

.. smaller growing companies in all industries have to fend of predatory approaches for their staff and sevices everyday yet some do make it and the owners are adept at keeping staff happy and pinting a big picture and sharing the rewards along the way…"this is clearly NOT happening".

Staying as a 30.000 club will mean this continual 'also ran' fate will await us for the rest of our lives.

Yet it does not have to be this way.

Global sponsership….Amex stadium anyone (bigger than us next year)

A magnificent stadium with the start of a metro system linking the docks to the station and city…vision!

Manchester is a sensational city in no small part to it's metro..road jams are in the centre non existent make the city pleasent and more people will come.

A loss leader policy on under 12's fill the ground every game.

Loyalty Share offerings to players and management over an 8 year building period.

Players leaving Southampton will a t present be offered a 100k week maximum..the 250k a week only happens when they have already proven at one of Europes elite (sic) clubs…..therefore up our max to 75k it is near enough for any of those with a sense of decency and family life here (wifes think of things other than just money) to not bother with the upheaval.

A guaranteed pension for an ambassadorial role eliminating the fear factor of short playing careers for lifetime service…

Articulate our beliefs and desires to the kids and recruits from day one.

Educate via regional advertising the importanvce of being a SOUTHerner means supporting SOUTHampton….creat a Bilbao effect.

This is not as simple as just greedy players, agents or possibly a greedy board…it is about a root and branch philosophy and city, south interaction.
A superb post with great ideas to increase our fanbase. I think the priority is to somehow maintain our PL status in this crisis and then prioritise putting another 10k on the stadium capacity so that we start to achieve my definition of a 'big club' i.e. Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs.
Precisely! Warrens, when your right, your right!!
With no other notable clubs anywhere near us that sense of identity with the Saints should be achievable, it has to be the kids growing up (like my lad does) never even considering support for another club. At the moment though half his mates support Manure or Chelski for no obvious reason, like you say, get those U12 in the ground and get them hooked on Saints. The merchandising needs to be much better too; the general T shirts and Sweat shirts need to be better quality and more in line with current fashions so that youngsters want to wear them around!
COYR This is the time to become a BIG club!!
[quote][p][bold]fasteddie49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Yes the players are a greedy buch of barstewards incited by mercenary wages and the Corporate global brand clubs who buy success….however we had appeared under NC to have offered something, a vision a togetherness a chance of forcing ourselves onto the scene…. Whatever the rights and wrongs clearly the board have not demonstrated the same vision.. .. smaller growing companies in all industries have to fend of predatory approaches for their staff and sevices everyday yet some do make it and the owners are adept at keeping staff happy and pinting a big picture and sharing the rewards along the way…"this is clearly NOT happening". Staying as a 30.000 club will mean this continual 'also ran' fate will await us for the rest of our lives. Yet it does not have to be this way. Global sponsership….Amex stadium anyone (bigger than us next year) A magnificent stadium with the start of a metro system linking the docks to the station and city…vision! Manchester is a sensational city in no small part to it's metro..road jams are in the centre non existent make the city pleasent and more people will come. A loss leader policy on under 12's fill the ground every game. Loyalty Share offerings to players and management over an 8 year building period. Players leaving Southampton will a t present be offered a 100k week maximum..the 250k a week only happens when they have already proven at one of Europes elite (sic) clubs…..therefore up our max to 75k it is near enough for any of those with a sense of decency and family life here (wifes think of things other than just money) to not bother with the upheaval. A guaranteed pension for an ambassadorial role eliminating the fear factor of short playing careers for lifetime service… Articulate our beliefs and desires to the kids and recruits from day one. Educate via regional advertising the importanvce of being a SOUTHerner means supporting SOUTHampton….creat a Bilbao effect. This is not as simple as just greedy players, agents or possibly a greedy board…it is about a root and branch philosophy and city, south interaction.[/p][/quote]A superb post with great ideas to increase our fanbase. I think the priority is to somehow maintain our PL status in this crisis and then prioritise putting another 10k on the stadium capacity so that we start to achieve my definition of a 'big club' i.e. Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs.[/p][/quote]Precisely! Warrens, when your right, your right!! With no other notable clubs anywhere near us that sense of identity with the Saints should be achievable, it has to be the kids growing up (like my lad does) never even considering support for another club. At the moment though half his mates support Manure or Chelski for no obvious reason, like you say, get those U12 in the ground and get them hooked on Saints. The merchandising needs to be much better too; the general T shirts and Sweat shirts need to be better quality and more in line with current fashions so that youngsters want to wear them around! COYR This is the time to become a BIG club!! saintmicky
  • Score: 1

8:24pm Thu 3 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

No Love in Lovren then???
If Diverpool want him so bad slap a price tag of £30M on him.
They'll have to pay to get him and we can get back some of the money we had to give Bompey in the Dipsy deal.
Sorted.
COYR FOADP
Can't wait for the new season to start.
Ps The skunts still make me laugh!!
No Love in Lovren then??? If Diverpool want him so bad slap a price tag of £30M on him. They'll have to pay to get him and we can get back some of the money we had to give Bompey in the Dipsy deal. Sorted. COYR FOADP Can't wait for the new season to start. Ps The skunts still make me laugh!! J7junctionseven
  • Score: -1

8:29pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Plastic Saint says...

Sell him to a second rate lower division team in a third rate league in Europe, Take a couple of goats as payment and stick him on a slow ferry. He showed he is not ready for champions league at the World Cup so really we should be grateful, perhaps he is not good enough for saints either.
Sell him to a second rate lower division team in a third rate league in Europe, Take a couple of goats as payment and stick him on a slow ferry. He showed he is not ready for champions league at the World Cup so really we should be grateful, perhaps he is not good enough for saints either. Plastic Saint
  • Score: 1

8:39pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Confucious wrote:
Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.
If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.[/p][/quote]If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

8:57pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Confucious says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.
If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.
Cheers Seed - that explains it!

Ethel did my Cork shirt last season and the dippy tart replaced the r with a c.

To be fair I do get called that a lot, but I was very annoyed - actually paying good money just to get even more derision heaped upon me than is usual in my part of the Kingsland.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.[/p][/quote]If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.[/p][/quote]Cheers Seed - that explains it! Ethel did my Cork shirt last season and the dippy tart replaced the r with a c. To be fair I do get called that a lot, but I was very annoyed - actually paying good money just to get even more derision heaped upon me than is usual in my part of the Kingsland. Confucious
  • Score: 4

9:01pm Thu 3 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.
If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.
Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.[/p][/quote]If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.[/p][/quote]Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave, OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

9:02pm Thu 3 Jul 14

up saints says...

thats number 4 out the door and still 6 weeks until new season who is next.
thats number 4 out the door and still 6 weeks until new season who is next. up saints
  • Score: 2

9:04pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.
If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.
Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,
Mavis won a design award for her cross stitch cushions. But it was in 1963 to be fair.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.[/p][/quote]If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.[/p][/quote]Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,[/p][/quote]Mavis won a design award for her cross stitch cushions. But it was in 1963 to be fair. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

9:10pm Thu 3 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

Still can't believe we are making our kit again...:o(.......Ta
lk about a step backwards and missed marketing opportunity plus revenue for kit sales.
Can't see it being sold anywhere but here.
Glad I don't actually buy kits/shirts for the nippers anymore, pity the poor Dad's out there who will be buying them.
COYR FOADP
Can't wait for the new season to start....?
Still can't believe we are making our kit again...:o(.......Ta lk about a step backwards and missed marketing opportunity plus revenue for kit sales. Can't see it being sold anywhere but here. Glad I don't actually buy kits/shirts for the nippers anymore, pity the poor Dad's out there who will be buying them. COYR FOADP Can't wait for the new season to start....? J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

9:15pm Thu 3 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

up saints wrote:
thats number 4 out the door and still 6 weeks until new season who is next.
Spiderman and Wanyama probably.
That should be it then.
Onto getting players in from now on..happy days!
[quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: thats number 4 out the door and still 6 weeks until new season who is next.[/p][/quote]Spiderman and Wanyama probably. That should be it then. Onto getting players in from now on..happy days! J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

9:15pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

redandy10 wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
John Smith34 wrote:
Wow, just wow. If true, the modern day footballer never ceases to disgust me. Don't sell him and then don't play him.
'Wow, just wow.' No comment on this site has ever summed up an article more eloquently.
You are right! Easily the most spot on post I have ever read on here.
Total, utter incredulity is what I feel when I read stories like this. I do support the club totally but stories like this about players who are under contract really sop me in my tracks.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Smith34[/bold] wrote: Wow, just wow. If true, the modern day footballer never ceases to disgust me. Don't sell him and then don't play him.[/p][/quote]'Wow, just wow.' No comment on this site has ever summed up an article more eloquently.[/p][/quote]You are right! Easily the most spot on post I have ever read on here.[/p][/quote]Total, utter incredulity is what I feel when I read stories like this. I do support the club totally but stories like this about players who are under contract really sop me in my tracks. Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 1

9:17pm Thu 3 Jul 14

loosehead says...

So players think because they play for their country they're far to good for Saints?
He says he wanted championship football? So what happened after Christmas?
The only people who can be blamed for the poor showing & the lack of points won since Christmas are the players & manager.
If you draw with a team away from home then get hammered at home why?
Beat Liverpool up there then lose to them here? was it Suarez? Or was it players who wanted to join them giving them the game?
I find it rich those players in whose hands it was to get into the top four failed to do so are now using it as an excuse to leave the club.
We had a plan what did he expect glory in the first year? maybe if MOPO hadn't put out a reserve side in the cups maybe if the players themselves had won more games they could have had it but neither the manager or players seemed to give a **** after Christmas.
Keep him make him play in the reserves we have enough money now to strengthen the squad so let him rot.
So players think because they play for their country they're far to good for Saints? He says he wanted championship football? So what happened after Christmas? The only people who can be blamed for the poor showing & the lack of points won since Christmas are the players & manager. If you draw with a team away from home then get hammered at home why? Beat Liverpool up there then lose to them here? was it Suarez? Or was it players who wanted to join them giving them the game? I find it rich those players in whose hands it was to get into the top four failed to do so are now using it as an excuse to leave the club. We had a plan what did he expect glory in the first year? maybe if MOPO hadn't put out a reserve side in the cups maybe if the players themselves had won more games they could have had it but neither the manager or players seemed to give a **** after Christmas. Keep him make him play in the reserves we have enough money now to strengthen the squad so let him rot. loosehead
  • Score: 1

9:18pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

Enrico Palazzo wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
John Smith34 wrote:
Wow, just wow. If true, the modern day footballer never ceases to disgust me. Don't sell him and then don't play him.
'Wow, just wow.' No comment on this site has ever summed up an article more eloquently.
You are right! Easily the most spot on post I have ever read on here.
Total, utter incredulity is what I feel when I read stories like this. I do support the club totally but stories like this about players who are under contract really sop me in my tracks.
*stops
[quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enrico Palazzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Smith34[/bold] wrote: Wow, just wow. If true, the modern day footballer never ceases to disgust me. Don't sell him and then don't play him.[/p][/quote]'Wow, just wow.' No comment on this site has ever summed up an article more eloquently.[/p][/quote]You are right! Easily the most spot on post I have ever read on here.[/p][/quote]Total, utter incredulity is what I feel when I read stories like this. I do support the club totally but stories like this about players who are under contract really sop me in my tracks.[/p][/quote]*stops Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 1

9:37pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Rank Xerox says...

I don't now why Brendan Rodgers wasn't our new manager - he seems to like most of our players!
I don't now why Brendan Rodgers wasn't our new manager - he seems to like most of our players! Rank Xerox
  • Score: 2

9:39pm Thu 3 Jul 14

saintmac says...

GeorgeChivers 3.47pm
Agree with you 100%. We will have 2 average seasons and then sell.
It will be a difficult start to the season with a different team and we will not
win as many of the so called easier fixtures. I hope fans will show patience
as Koeman has a huge task in front of him
The Board and KL have missed out on a wonderfull opportunity which will not come our way again. I do not like the manner in which MP and the players left but their frustration is no different to what the fans are feeling.
The Club will never be able to compete until the stadium is extended or a new one built. KL is the owner and it is her money involved. Sadly she does not share her fathers dream so IMO will sell at a suitable time. The only consolation is that the Club will be in a stable position although I think
ticket sales will show a significant downturn and Mr Krueger will have to be good to his word about other methods of raising revenue.
GeorgeChivers 3.47pm Agree with you 100%. We will have 2 average seasons and then sell. It will be a difficult start to the season with a different team and we will not win as many of the so called easier fixtures. I hope fans will show patience as Koeman has a huge task in front of him The Board and KL have missed out on a wonderfull opportunity which will not come our way again. I do not like the manner in which MP and the players left but their frustration is no different to what the fans are feeling. The Club will never be able to compete until the stadium is extended or a new one built. KL is the owner and it is her money involved. Sadly she does not share her fathers dream so IMO will sell at a suitable time. The only consolation is that the Club will be in a stable position although I think ticket sales will show a significant downturn and Mr Krueger will have to be good to his word about other methods of raising revenue. saintmac
  • Score: 0

9:43pm Thu 3 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.
If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.
Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,
seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me....
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.[/p][/quote]If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.[/p][/quote]Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,[/p][/quote]seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me.... steekeemcglue
  • Score: -3

9:44pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Malcombe says...

BertCatt
IMO
Rats Punks and any other names you can think of!!!
BertCatt IMO Rats Punks and any other names you can think of!!! Malcombe
  • Score: 0

9:49pm Thu 3 Jul 14

M.U.CS1 says...

Serious question, have you lot really no idea why your manager and all your top players want out, I'd say it's fairly obvious. Take off your red and white stripe glasses for a second and have a good look, you are a selling club, always have been, always will be, no ambition, just a cash cow for your current and previous owners !
Serious question, have you lot really no idea why your manager and all your top players want out, I'd say it's fairly obvious. Take off your red and white stripe glasses for a second and have a good look, you are a selling club, always have been, always will be, no ambition, just a cash cow for your current and previous owners ! M.U.CS1
  • Score: -4

9:53pm Thu 3 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Serious question, have you lot really no idea why your manager and all your top players want out, I'd say it's fairly obvious. Take off your red and white stripe glasses for a second and have a good look, you are a selling club, always have been, always will be, no ambition, just a cash cow for your current and previous owners !
serious question... have you not got a life ? you know Hobbies, interests , pastimes etc etc . Why on earth would you spend time here ? no one gives a sh1t what you post excect the r3tards who have typing-tourettes and can not help themselves ( like me ) ....
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Serious question, have you lot really no idea why your manager and all your top players want out, I'd say it's fairly obvious. Take off your red and white stripe glasses for a second and have a good look, you are a selling club, always have been, always will be, no ambition, just a cash cow for your current and previous owners ![/p][/quote]serious question... have you not got a life ? you know Hobbies, interests , pastimes etc etc . Why on earth would you spend time here ? no one gives a sh1t what you post excect the r3tards who have typing-tourettes and can not help themselves ( like me ) .... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 2

9:59pm Thu 3 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.
If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.
Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,
seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me....
I reckon it's a spoof, looks like a scouser run over by an Eddie Stobart artic.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.[/p][/quote]If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.[/p][/quote]Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,[/p][/quote]seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me....[/p][/quote]I reckon it's a spoof, looks like a scouser run over by an Eddie Stobart artic. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

10:01pm Thu 3 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Serious question, have you lot really no idea why your manager and all your top players want out, I'd say it's fairly obvious. Take off your red and white stripe glasses for a second and have a good look, you are a selling club, always have been, always will be, no ambition, just a cash cow for your current and previous owners !
Well someone has to provide English talent, the big clubs don't want to bother.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Serious question, have you lot really no idea why your manager and all your top players want out, I'd say it's fairly obvious. Take off your red and white stripe glasses for a second and have a good look, you are a selling club, always have been, always will be, no ambition, just a cash cow for your current and previous owners ![/p][/quote]Well someone has to provide English talent, the big clubs don't want to bother. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

10:01pm Thu 3 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.
If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.
Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,
seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me....
I reckon it's a spoof, looks like a scouser run over by an Eddie Stobart artic.
not sure ... its from the same guy who leaked last years monstrosity...
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.[/p][/quote]If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.[/p][/quote]Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,[/p][/quote]seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me....[/p][/quote]I reckon it's a spoof, looks like a scouser run over by an Eddie Stobart artic.[/p][/quote]not sure ... its from the same guy who leaked last years monstrosity... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 0

10:20pm Thu 3 Jul 14

eyresiesaint says...

Columbo's Glass Eye wrote:
Saw Ronald in lyndhurst yesterday late afternoon. Can't be much to do at staplewood ahead of the new season! Looked very relaxed without a care in the world. Maybe he's not aware of the saints exodus!
Ha I got told he was in the fox and hounds with his coaching staff, I live in lyndhurst and was tempted to pop down.
[quote][p][bold]Columbo's Glass Eye[/bold] wrote: Saw Ronald in lyndhurst yesterday late afternoon. Can't be much to do at staplewood ahead of the new season! Looked very relaxed without a care in the world. Maybe he's not aware of the saints exodus![/p][/quote]Ha I got told he was in the fox and hounds with his coaching staff, I live in lyndhurst and was tempted to pop down. eyresiesaint
  • Score: 1

10:24pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.
If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.
Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,
seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me....
I reckon it's a spoof, looks like a scouser run over by an Eddie Stobart artic.
not sure ... its from the same guy who leaked last years monstrosity...
Fack me, it's truly horrible. I'm going to slap Mavis when I see her. Do you think Kreuger is a skate?
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.[/p][/quote]If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.[/p][/quote]Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,[/p][/quote]seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me....[/p][/quote]I reckon it's a spoof, looks like a scouser run over by an Eddie Stobart artic.[/p][/quote]not sure ... its from the same guy who leaked last years monstrosity...[/p][/quote]Fack me, it's truly horrible. I'm going to slap Mavis when I see her. Do you think Kreuger is a skate? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

10:27pm Thu 3 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.
If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.
Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,
seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me....
I reckon it's a spoof, looks like a scouser run over by an Eddie Stobart artic.
not sure ... its from the same guy who leaked last years monstrosity...
Fack me, it's truly horrible. I'm going to slap Mavis when I see her. Do you think Kreuger is a skate?
word on the vine is that its a Cortese design..... I sh1t you not.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.[/p][/quote]If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.[/p][/quote]Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,[/p][/quote]seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me....[/p][/quote]I reckon it's a spoof, looks like a scouser run over by an Eddie Stobart artic.[/p][/quote]not sure ... its from the same guy who leaked last years monstrosity...[/p][/quote]Fack me, it's truly horrible. I'm going to slap Mavis when I see her. Do you think Kreuger is a skate?[/p][/quote]word on the vine is that its a Cortese design..... I sh1t you not. steekeemcglue
  • Score: 1

10:32pm Thu 3 Jul 14

eyresiesaint says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Still can't believe we are making our kit again...:o(.......Ta

lk about a step backwards and missed marketing opportunity plus revenue for kit sales.
Can't see it being sold anywhere but here.
Glad I don't actually buy kits/shirts for the nippers anymore, pity the poor Dad's out there who will be buying them.
COYR FOADP
Can't wait for the new season to start....?
I heard the reason we are having to make them ourselves is that cortese fell out with Adidas before he left, the new board have being talking and building bridges again, and addidis were happy to make it again for us but it was the timescale that was the problem, so they decided to make it themselves, apparently, COYR
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Still can't believe we are making our kit again...:o(.......Ta lk about a step backwards and missed marketing opportunity plus revenue for kit sales. Can't see it being sold anywhere but here. Glad I don't actually buy kits/shirts for the nippers anymore, pity the poor Dad's out there who will be buying them. COYR FOADP Can't wait for the new season to start....?[/p][/quote]I heard the reason we are having to make them ourselves is that cortese fell out with Adidas before he left, the new board have being talking and building bridges again, and addidis were happy to make it again for us but it was the timescale that was the problem, so they decided to make it themselves, apparently, COYR eyresiesaint
  • Score: 3

10:36pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.
If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.
Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,
seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me....
I reckon it's a spoof, looks like a scouser run over by an Eddie Stobart artic.
not sure ... its from the same guy who leaked last years monstrosity...
Fack me, it's truly horrible. I'm going to slap Mavis when I see her. Do you think Kreuger is a skate?
word on the vine is that its a Cortese design..... I sh1t you not.
Nice gesture. Why didn't Ralph change it? He's had a few months.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.[/p][/quote]If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.[/p][/quote]Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,[/p][/quote]seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me....[/p][/quote]I reckon it's a spoof, looks like a scouser run over by an Eddie Stobart artic.[/p][/quote]not sure ... its from the same guy who leaked last years monstrosity...[/p][/quote]Fack me, it's truly horrible. I'm going to slap Mavis when I see her. Do you think Kreuger is a skate?[/p][/quote]word on the vine is that its a Cortese design..... I sh1t you not.[/p][/quote]Nice gesture. Why didn't Ralph change it? He's had a few months. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

10:48pm Thu 3 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.
If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.
Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,
seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me....
I reckon it's a spoof, looks like a scouser run over by an Eddie Stobart artic.
not sure ... its from the same guy who leaked last years monstrosity...
Fack me, it's truly horrible. I'm going to slap Mavis when I see her. Do you think Kreuger is a skate?
word on the vine is that its a Cortese design..... I sh1t you not.
Nice gesture. Why didn't Ralph change it? He's had a few months.
you can not change something that has been ordered and signed on the dotted without consequences..... I have it that Puma were enquiring to take up the contract ( same agent that sorted out hampshire's kit fiasco ) but they were told : "sorry we have committed to a 'mickey mouse' outfit , there is nothing we can do".
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.[/p][/quote]If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.[/p][/quote]Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,[/p][/quote]seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me....[/p][/quote]I reckon it's a spoof, looks like a scouser run over by an Eddie Stobart artic.[/p][/quote]not sure ... its from the same guy who leaked last years monstrosity...[/p][/quote]Fack me, it's truly horrible. I'm going to slap Mavis when I see her. Do you think Kreuger is a skate?[/p][/quote]word on the vine is that its a Cortese design..... I sh1t you not.[/p][/quote]Nice gesture. Why didn't Ralph change it? He's had a few months.[/p][/quote]you can not change something that has been ordered and signed on the dotted without consequences..... I have it that Puma were enquiring to take up the contract ( same agent that sorted out hampshire's kit fiasco ) but they were told : "sorry we have committed to a 'mickey mouse' outfit , there is nothing we can do". steekeemcglue
  • Score: 0

10:57pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.
If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.
Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,
seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me....
I reckon it's a spoof, looks like a scouser run over by an Eddie Stobart artic.
not sure ... its from the same guy who leaked last years monstrosity...
Fack me, it's truly horrible. I'm going to slap Mavis when I see her. Do you think Kreuger is a skate?
word on the vine is that its a Cortese design..... I sh1t you not.
Nice gesture. Why didn't Ralph change it? He's had a few months.
you can not change something that has been ordered and signed on the dotted without consequences..... I have it that Puma were enquiring to take up the contract ( same agent that sorted out hampshire's kit fiasco ) but they were told : "sorry we have committed to a 'mickey mouse' outfit , there is nothing we can do".
Blimey, the good news keeps on coming! I expect Arsenal will bid for Calum in the morning, should help take our minds off it.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.[/p][/quote]If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.[/p][/quote]Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,[/p][/quote]seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me....[/p][/quote]I reckon it's a spoof, looks like a scouser run over by an Eddie Stobart artic.[/p][/quote]not sure ... its from the same guy who leaked last years monstrosity...[/p][/quote]Fack me, it's truly horrible. I'm going to slap Mavis when I see her. Do you think Kreuger is a skate?[/p][/quote]word on the vine is that its a Cortese design..... I sh1t you not.[/p][/quote]Nice gesture. Why didn't Ralph change it? He's had a few months.[/p][/quote]you can not change something that has been ordered and signed on the dotted without consequences..... I have it that Puma were enquiring to take up the contract ( same agent that sorted out hampshire's kit fiasco ) but they were told : "sorry we have committed to a 'mickey mouse' outfit , there is nothing we can do".[/p][/quote]Blimey, the good news keeps on coming! I expect Arsenal will bid for Calum in the morning, should help take our minds off it. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

1:04am Fri 4 Jul 14

Mary80 says...

Sue his **** **** for breach of contract simples
Sue his **** **** for breach of contract simples Mary80
  • Score: 0

5:23am Fri 4 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.
If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.
Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,
seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me....
I reckon it's a spoof, looks like a scouser run over by an Eddie Stobart artic.
not sure ... its from the same guy who leaked last years monstrosity...
There is one picture of our supposed new top which has the new sponsors name and another whichever doesn't, look carefully at the creases on the shirt and you'll notice it's the same picture. I don't buy it!!! Plus the shirt is dreadful, it's obviously somebody at the wind up.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.[/p][/quote]If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.[/p][/quote]Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,[/p][/quote]seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me....[/p][/quote]I reckon it's a spoof, looks like a scouser run over by an Eddie Stobart artic.[/p][/quote]not sure ... its from the same guy who leaked last years monstrosity...[/p][/quote]There is one picture of our supposed new top which has the new sponsors name and another whichever doesn't, look carefully at the creases on the shirt and you'll notice it's the same picture. I don't buy it!!! Plus the shirt is dreadful, it's obviously somebody at the wind up. redandy10
  • Score: 3

7:27am Fri 4 Jul 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Saintade wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Appalling behaviour.

However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here.

I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.
But would you now believe ANYTHING the Board says after they have done a complete U-turn on all their promises about not selling players? And what about this rubbish about our scouts having a bucket list ready of players to bring in if we lose any - where are they then? I bet none of them were Dutch either until Koeman got here....I just don't have any confidence in the Board at all. If you look back at news reports on statements from the club, you'll see what I mean. Don't believe what you read!
I must admit I now have that stance. Look at all the buzzing activity of players moving about - but for us it is all outgoing. And they are our best players! I think what we are seeing is a controlled, PR-driven, profit-taking, downgrading of Southampton. Now I fear the next to go is Koeman, because he was deceived.

What did the Board expect? Let's say they are not profit-taking. Did they really expect their strategy of sell first, buy later would work? To really show ambition, they should have started with a massive signing, knowing there was strong demand for our players, and then sell if they had to. That might have given them the problem that players did not wish to go, but then the Board was in control, not the players.

So I think it comes down to this, unfortunately: either we are being taken for a ride by intelligent business people with short term interests, or we are led by a Board near the arse end of the latter when it comes to smarts!

I don't know what is worse frankly....
I've always agreed with Seed on this but, I have mostly kept quiet and watched others get shouted down for being 'negative'. It was plain to see what would happen as players were sold a vision only to see it crumble before their eyes. I've said before that something similar happened to me when I left a good job to join a firm where I was told about ambitious expansion plans and then a year or so later the managing partner left as did the business manager, the two people whose vision had attracted me to the firm in the first place. I looked at what was left and who had the reigns after the managing partner's departure, realised the direction of the firm had changed and that there there were limited opportunities for me and left to go to another firm where the prospects were better. Anyone with ambition would do the same in those circumstances. Although I hate what is happening to the club, players wanting to follow NC and MP out the door is understandable if the new vision, whatever it is, doesn't stand up to comparison with the old. That is where the problem lies. It seems to me. I think Rickie leaving was perhaps good business for a 32 year old at the end of his career and his was an honest and heartfelt desire to join his boyhood club so that I wasn't too worried about. Luke I think can be replaced so I wasn't too worried about that either. I was annoyed at AL and the way he appears to have forced his move through but, ultimately I wasn't too worried about him going either because I felt he could be replaced too. However, if Dejan and Morgan go making it 5 of our best players then the spine will have been ripped right out of the team and it is going to be a really tall order to get anywhere near 8th in the league next season with 5 or more new faces in the team and a new management/coaching team to boot. Still, it all boils down to it being KL's money and she can do what she wants with it.
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Appalling behaviour. However, everyone is ignoring the quotes about the project he was sold having completely changed and the fact he no longer believes CL football is achievable here. I said that is why Cortese left, then MoPo and now the players but got shouted down. When this has settled down we really do need the board to confirm the situation so people can make their own choices.[/p][/quote]But would you now believe ANYTHING the Board says after they have done a complete U-turn on all their promises about not selling players? And what about this rubbish about our scouts having a bucket list ready of players to bring in if we lose any - where are they then? I bet none of them were Dutch either until Koeman got here....I just don't have any confidence in the Board at all. If you look back at news reports on statements from the club, you'll see what I mean. Don't believe what you read![/p][/quote]I must admit I now have that stance. Look at all the buzzing activity of players moving about - but for us it is all outgoing. And they are our best players! I think what we are seeing is a controlled, PR-driven, profit-taking, downgrading of Southampton. Now I fear the next to go is Koeman, because he was deceived. What did the Board expect? Let's say they are not profit-taking. Did they really expect their strategy of sell first, buy later would work? To really show ambition, they should have started with a massive signing, knowing there was strong demand for our players, and then sell if they had to. That might have given them the problem that players did not wish to go, but then the Board was in control, not the players. So I think it comes down to this, unfortunately: either we are being taken for a ride by intelligent business people with short term interests, or we are led by a Board near the arse end of the latter when it comes to smarts! I don't know what is worse frankly....[/p][/quote]I've always agreed with Seed on this but, I have mostly kept quiet and watched others get shouted down for being 'negative'. It was plain to see what would happen as players were sold a vision only to see it crumble before their eyes. I've said before that something similar happened to me when I left a good job to join a firm where I was told about ambitious expansion plans and then a year or so later the managing partner left as did the business manager, the two people whose vision had attracted me to the firm in the first place. I looked at what was left and who had the reigns after the managing partner's departure, realised the direction of the firm had changed and that there there were limited opportunities for me and left to go to another firm where the prospects were better. Anyone with ambition would do the same in those circumstances. Although I hate what is happening to the club, players wanting to follow NC and MP out the door is understandable if the new vision, whatever it is, doesn't stand up to comparison with the old. That is where the problem lies. It seems to me. I think Rickie leaving was perhaps good business for a 32 year old at the end of his career and his was an honest and heartfelt desire to join his boyhood club so that I wasn't too worried about. Luke I think can be replaced so I wasn't too worried about that either. I was annoyed at AL and the way he appears to have forced his move through but, ultimately I wasn't too worried about him going either because I felt he could be replaced too. However, if Dejan and Morgan go making it 5 of our best players then the spine will have been ripped right out of the team and it is going to be a really tall order to get anywhere near 8th in the league next season with 5 or more new faces in the team and a new management/coaching team to boot. Still, it all boils down to it being KL's money and she can do what she wants with it. Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 2

7:31am Fri 4 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

redandy10 wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.
If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.
Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,
seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me....
I reckon it's a spoof, looks like a scouser run over by an Eddie Stobart artic.
not sure ... its from the same guy who leaked last years monstrosity...
There is one picture of our supposed new top which has the new sponsors name and another whichever doesn't, look carefully at the creases on the shirt and you'll notice it's the same picture. I don't buy it!!! Plus the shirt is dreadful, it's obviously somebody at the wind up.
That's more like it. Let's not worry about Wenger coming in for Spider as soon as he ges back from the world cup. Let's hav a full scale panic about the new shirt even though it hasn't been presented to us yet. By the way he is rumoured to be going to offer £20 mil. So that's nearer £30 then Wenger. Get ready to pay big bucks.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Oh well, it should be boom time for new shirt sales come August. Hardly anyone will have a shirt that isn't redundant - including my Fox and Guly ones.[/p][/quote]If you buy the 'ready made' option try and get one stitched by Mavis rather than Ethel, although a glorious past as queen of the loose covers her eyes are sadly going now. I believe the 'self stitch' option comes with needle and thread so more affordable.[/p][/quote]Have you seen the "sneak" preview of the new shirt in Twitter (or not606), it is truly horrendous and if genuine I can understand players wanting to leave,[/p][/quote]seriously if that is the shirt then Adam Lallana is no longer a villain.... no one with any self respect would play for a club that produced that pile of sh1t.... I am serious ..... if we have stooped this low and can not even get a semi-decent shirt on the players back then bon voyage to the lot of them...... And how anyone can take Cortese seriously if he is responsible is beyond me....[/p][/quote]I reckon it's a spoof, looks like a scouser run over by an Eddie Stobart artic.[/p][/quote]not sure ... its from the same guy who leaked last years monstrosity...[/p][/quote]There is one picture of our supposed new top which has the new sponsors name and another whichever doesn't, look carefully at the creases on the shirt and you'll notice it's the same picture. I don't buy it!!! Plus the shirt is dreadful, it's obviously somebody at the wind up.[/p][/quote]That's more like it. Let's not worry about Wenger coming in for Spider as soon as he ges back from the world cup. Let's hav a full scale panic about the new shirt even though it hasn't been presented to us yet. By the way he is rumoured to be going to offer £20 mil. So that's nearer £30 then Wenger. Get ready to pay big bucks. Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

10:41am Fri 4 Jul 14

LFCalways says...

Latest News on Sky Sports News saints are holding out for 25mill for Lovren, but seems to upset Lovren because of this!

Lovren, who has handed in a transfer request, believes he had a gentleman’s agreement with the South Coast outfit that he could leave this summer if a club paid £20million for his services.

However, despite Liverpool matching that amount, Southampton are refusing to do business and are holding out for a higher fee.

Lovren has been left fuming by what he sees as Saints reneging on a promise and is ready to go on strike in order to force through his dream move.

He is due back for pre-season training on July 21 but is prepared to stay away in protest – despite being warned by Southampton that he faces being heavily fined.
Latest News on Sky Sports News saints are holding out for 25mill for Lovren, but seems to upset Lovren because of this! Lovren, who has handed in a transfer request, believes he had a gentleman’s agreement with the South Coast outfit that he could leave this summer if a club paid £20million for his services. However, despite Liverpool matching that amount, Southampton are refusing to do business and are holding out for a higher fee. Lovren has been left fuming by what he sees as Saints reneging on a promise and is ready to go on strike in order to force through his dream move. He is due back for pre-season training on July 21 but is prepared to stay away in protest – despite being warned by Southampton that he faces being heavily fined. LFCalways
  • Score: 1

10:51am Fri 4 Jul 14

LFCalways says...

Also Liverpool and Southampton are in talks over Dejan Lovren right now on Sky Sports News and that's the latest from Liverpool.
Also Liverpool and Southampton are in talks over Dejan Lovren right now on Sky Sports News and that's the latest from Liverpool. LFCalways
  • Score: 0

11:16am Fri 4 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Arsenal are also planning a double swoop for Lovren and Scheiderlin for a massive 30 mill. That's for the two of them, of course. Makes you wonder about the truth of Liverpool's offer.
Arsenal are also planning a double swoop for Lovren and Scheiderlin for a massive 30 mill. That's for the two of them, of course. Makes you wonder about the truth of Liverpool's offer. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

11:24am Fri 4 Jul 14

LFCalways says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Arsenal are also planning a double swoop for Lovren and Scheiderlin for a massive 30 mill. That's for the two of them, of course. Makes you wonder about the truth of Liverpool's offer.
Saints are saying they want 25mill for Lovren, but Liverpool have bid 18-20mill so far and was rejected! But talks are still on going.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Arsenal are also planning a double swoop for Lovren and Scheiderlin for a massive 30 mill. That's for the two of them, of course. Makes you wonder about the truth of Liverpool's offer.[/p][/quote]Saints are saying they want 25mill for Lovren, but Liverpool have bid 18-20mill so far and was rejected! But talks are still on going. LFCalways
  • Score: 0

7:04pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Chapperall says...

LFCalways wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Arsenal are also planning a double swoop for Lovren and Scheiderlin for a massive 30 mill. That's for the two of them, of course. Makes you wonder about the truth of Liverpool's offer.
Saints are saying they want 25mill for Lovren, but Liverpool have bid 18-20mill so far and was rejected! But talks are still on going.
Do us a favour mate and go play on your own teams web site. Yes our team is going through a difficult time, but is the gloating really necessary unless you are so small minded you get some weird pleasure out of winding people up.
You have had your fun now head back to the kinder garden
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Arsenal are also planning a double swoop for Lovren and Scheiderlin for a massive 30 mill. That's for the two of them, of course. Makes you wonder about the truth of Liverpool's offer.[/p][/quote]Saints are saying they want 25mill for Lovren, but Liverpool have bid 18-20mill so far and was rejected! But talks are still on going.[/p][/quote]Do us a favour mate and go play on your own teams web site. Yes our team is going through a difficult time, but is the gloating really necessary unless you are so small minded you get some weird pleasure out of winding people up. You have had your fun now head back to the kinder garden Chapperall
  • Score: 0

7:08pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Chapperall says...

LFCalways wrote:
Latest News on Sky Sports News saints are holding out for 25mill for Lovren, but seems to upset Lovren because of this!

Lovren, who has handed in a transfer request, believes he had a gentleman’s agreement with the South Coast outfit that he could leave this summer if a club paid £20million for his services.

However, despite Liverpool matching that amount, Southampton are refusing to do business and are holding out for a higher fee.

Lovren has been left fuming by what he sees as Saints reneging on a promise and is ready to go on strike in order to force through his dream move.

He is due back for pre-season training on July 21 but is prepared to stay away in protest – despite being warned by Southampton that he faces being heavily fined.
Old news mate. We don't need a reporter on this site we have enough from the newspapers telling lies
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: Latest News on Sky Sports News saints are holding out for 25mill for Lovren, but seems to upset Lovren because of this! Lovren, who has handed in a transfer request, believes he had a gentleman’s agreement with the South Coast outfit that he could leave this summer if a club paid £20million for his services. However, despite Liverpool matching that amount, Southampton are refusing to do business and are holding out for a higher fee. Lovren has been left fuming by what he sees as Saints reneging on a promise and is ready to go on strike in order to force through his dream move. He is due back for pre-season training on July 21 but is prepared to stay away in protest – despite being warned by Southampton that he faces being heavily fined.[/p][/quote]Old news mate. We don't need a reporter on this site we have enough from the newspapers telling lies Chapperall
  • Score: 0

7:56pm Fri 4 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

LFCalways wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Arsenal are also planning a double swoop for Lovren and Scheiderlin for a massive 30 mill. That's for the two of them, of course. Makes you wonder about the truth of Liverpool's offer.
Saints are saying they want 25mill for Lovren, but Liverpool have bid 18-20mill so far and was rejected! But talks are still on going.
I hope you aren't spending money that you haven't got yet, Suarez may not be worth so much now?
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Arsenal are also planning a double swoop for Lovren and Scheiderlin for a massive 30 mill. That's for the two of them, of course. Makes you wonder about the truth of Liverpool's offer.[/p][/quote]Saints are saying they want 25mill for Lovren, but Liverpool have bid 18-20mill so far and was rejected! But talks are still on going.[/p][/quote]I hope you aren't spending money that you haven't got yet, Suarez may not be worth so much now? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

7:46am Sat 5 Jul 14

Zexagon says...

Chapperall wrote:
LFCalways wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Arsenal are also planning a double swoop for Lovren and Scheiderlin for a massive 30 mill. That's for the two of them, of course. Makes you wonder about the truth of Liverpool's offer.
Saints are saying they want 25mill for Lovren, but Liverpool have bid 18-20mill so far and was rejected! But talks are still on going.
Do us a favour mate and go play on your own teams web site. Yes our team is going through a difficult time, but is the gloating really necessary unless you are so small minded you get some weird pleasure out of winding people up.
You have had your fun now head back to the kinder garden
Do you say all that when saints supporters gee up Pompey supporters?
[quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Arsenal are also planning a double swoop for Lovren and Scheiderlin for a massive 30 mill. That's for the two of them, of course. Makes you wonder about the truth of Liverpool's offer.[/p][/quote]Saints are saying they want 25mill for Lovren, but Liverpool have bid 18-20mill so far and was rejected! But talks are still on going.[/p][/quote]Do us a favour mate and go play on your own teams web site. Yes our team is going through a difficult time, but is the gloating really necessary unless you are so small minded you get some weird pleasure out of winding people up. You have had your fun now head back to the kinder garden[/p][/quote]Do you say all that when saints supporters gee up Pompey supporters? Zexagon
  • Score: 0

6:23pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Mary80 says...

His childish behaviour should be punished he should get sued for breaching his contract.
His childish behaviour should be punished he should get sued for breaching his contract. Mary80
  • Score: 0

10:55am Sun 6 Jul 14

LFCalways says...

Lovren latest comments about your club and broken promises!

Dejan Lovren has told Sportske Novosti his head is already at Liverpool despite Southampton rejecting an offer worth £20 million pounds.

Croatia defender Lovren, 25, appeared set to be the latest star to depart St Mary's, with Rickie Lambert and Adam Lallana already having moved to Anfield while Luke Shaw has joined Manchester United. Their former coach Maricio Pochettino has also departed for Tottenham.

However, new Saints boss Ronald Koeman rejected the Reds' bid for Lovren and the player has expressed his frustration at the situation.

"Liverpool sent the offer and the club haven't informed me," he said. "Not even about the subsequent Liverpool bids. That wasn't right. I found out about the bid from other people which disappointed me and I realised I've got no business staying at Southampton.

"Liverpool sent a 20 million offer and they paid nine million for me, so they would've earned twice the amount.

"At this point, I don't know what I'll do and I don't like it. It was unbelievable that a few days ago I had an offer of £20 million pounds. It was in the morning and by the afternoon the club had said I was not for sale. Frankly, my head is already at Liverpool."

He said he had addressed a letter to the club to make clear his feelings but no longer knew who was in charge of such decisions.

He added: "Liverpool is one of the biggest clubs in the world. Only Real Madrid have as many fans around the world. The last time I played at Anfield, I got chills when I heard 'You'll Never Walk Alone.' I would like to listen to it all the time."

Lovren, who arrived from Lyon a year ago, insisted he would not be looking to leave Southampton if the club had aimed higher.

"Look, I'd gladly stay in Southampton if the club had any ambitions, if they kept the key players," he said. " not even the Liverpool bid would have dissuaded me."

He added: "When I decided to go to Southampton, many people were surprised, but I went because the people at the club had great ambition," he said.

"They gave me assurances about the project - the former chairman, Nicola Cortese, and the former coach, Mauricio Pochettino, convinced me. They gave me incredible confidence.

"When I began training there, I realised they had a very good team. They promised to buy two more players -- they bought Osvaldo and Wanyama. They are great players. The aim was to qualify for Europe, to get into the Europa League at least."
Lovren latest comments about your club and broken promises! Dejan Lovren has told Sportske Novosti his head is already at Liverpool despite Southampton rejecting an offer worth £20 million pounds. Croatia defender Lovren, 25, appeared set to be the latest star to depart St Mary's, with Rickie Lambert and Adam Lallana already having moved to Anfield while Luke Shaw has joined Manchester United. Their former coach Maricio Pochettino has also departed for Tottenham. However, new Saints boss Ronald Koeman rejected the Reds' bid for Lovren and the player has expressed his frustration at the situation. "Liverpool sent the offer and the club haven't informed me," he said. "Not even about the subsequent Liverpool bids. That wasn't right. I found out about the bid from other people which disappointed me and I realised I've got no business staying at Southampton. "Liverpool sent a 20 million offer and they [Southampton] paid nine million for me, so they would've earned twice the amount. "At this point, I don't know what I'll do and I don't like it. It was unbelievable that a few days ago I had an offer of £20 million pounds. It was in the morning and by the afternoon the club had said I was not for sale. Frankly, my head is already at Liverpool." He said he had addressed a letter to the club to make clear his feelings but no longer knew who was in charge of such decisions. He added: "Liverpool is one of the biggest clubs in the world. Only Real Madrid have as many fans around the world. The last time I played at Anfield, I got chills when I heard 'You'll Never Walk Alone.' I would like to listen to it all the time." Lovren, who arrived from Lyon a year ago, insisted he would not be looking to leave Southampton if the club had aimed higher. "Look, I'd gladly stay in Southampton if the club had any ambitions, if they kept the key players," he said. "[If that had happened] not even the Liverpool bid would have dissuaded me." He added: "When I decided to go to Southampton, many people were surprised, but I went because the people at the club had great ambition," he said. "They gave me assurances about the project - the former chairman, Nicola Cortese, and the former coach, Mauricio Pochettino, convinced me. They gave me incredible confidence. "When I began training there, I realised they had a very good team. They promised to buy two more players -- they bought [Pablo Daniel] Osvaldo and [Victor] Wanyama. They are great players. The aim was to qualify for Europe, to get into the Europa League at least." LFCalways
  • Score: 1

6:11pm Thu 10 Jul 14

gunnymos says...

These Players are now showing their true colours. We do not need players not willing to wear the Shirt of SFC any longer! The Club are bigger that these Prima Donnas!! Have faith in R.K. & the backroom staff to bring in the right calibre of Players. TheMossga.
These Players are now showing their true colours. We do not need players not willing to wear the Shirt of SFC any longer! The Club are bigger that these Prima Donnas!! Have faith in R.K. & the backroom staff to bring in the right calibre of Players. TheMossga. gunnymos
  • Score: 0

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