Southampton confirm sale of Luke Shaw to Manchester United in £30m plus deal

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Saints have confirmed the sale of Luke Shaw to Manchester United.

The 18-year-old has signed a four-year contract at Old Trafford, with the option to extend it by a further year.

Saints are beleived to have received a fee of £27m, with add-ons that could take it well beyond a £30m total.

It makes Shaw the biggest sale in Saints' history and the most expensive ever teenager in world football.

As revealed by the Daily Echo, Shaw told Saints at the end of the season that he wished to leave for United this summer, and he has got his way soon after returning from the World Cup with England.

Saints have issued a statement to say: "Southampton Football Club can confirm that Luke Shaw has today completed his move to Manchester United.

"The Saints Academy graduate moves to Old Trafford for an undisclosed fee. The fee will amount to the highest-ever transfer fee received by the club, making the 18 year-old the most expensive teenager ever.

"Executive Director Les Reed commented: “While we are sad to see Luke depart the club, we fought to ensure that we got the right deal for a player in whom we have invested a great deal of work over the past decade.

“Luke joined us at the age of eight, and our academy staff and coaches have helped him to progress into a top-class player. He will leave our club and carry forward our top-class pedigree, as others have done before.

“This deal is a good one for Southampton Football Club, and hopefully sends a clear message to other clubs wishing to bid for our players.

“Luke’s transfer fee will be reinvested into the team as our new manager, Ronald Koeman, builds for the new season and for years to come.”

CEO Gareth Rogers commented: “Luke's world-record transfer to Manchester United is yet another endorsement of the great work undertaken at our academy and by the staff at Southampton Football Club. 

“We can now move forward and continue to invest in the future of our club.”

United also put a statement which included quotes from Shaw himself.

"I am thrilled and excited to be joining Manchester United," said the England left back.

"I have been at Southampton since I was eight years old and I would like to thank them and the fans for everything they have done for me.

"I want to continue to progress my career and joining United is the ideal place for me to do that. I am looking forward to this new chapter in my life and also looking forward to learning from the world-class players and management at the club."

Manchester United assistant manager Ryan Giggs added: "Luke is a very talented young left-back with great potential.

He has developed immensely during his time at Southampton and has all the attributes to become a top player.

"I am delighted he has joined Manchester United as I believe this is the right club for him to continue his development as a young player and eventually fulfil that promise."

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3:06pm Fri 27 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

IF LALA goes - OFFICIALLY there are NO MORE GOALS left in our Team having stripped Punch - Lambert and now Adam.

WE MUST BUY PROLIFIC GOAL SCORING OPTIONS
IF LALA goes - OFFICIALLY there are NO MORE GOALS left in our Team having stripped Punch - Lambert and now Adam. WE MUST BUY PROLIFIC GOAL SCORING OPTIONS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 21

3:13pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Costa Baz says...

If we are going to sell, then fleecing the buyers is the way forward.

A world record transfer fee, for a teenager, who does not carry the status of being a "game changer", is incredible.
If we are going to sell, then fleecing the buyers is the way forward. A world record transfer fee, for a teenager, who does not carry the status of being a "game changer", is incredible. Costa Baz
  • Score: 31

3:13pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Halo Saint says...

Enjoy the view from the bench Luke !! Could have stayed another season BUT money talks.I dont think Utd will ever be what they were under SAF whereas im sure SAINTS will become better and stronger.Look forward to seeing UTD & SPURS finishing below us next season.Oh & you might get that threesoome now as footballers are highly sought by trashy women up there !!

COYS
Enjoy the view from the bench Luke !! Could have stayed another season BUT money talks.I dont think Utd will ever be what they were under SAF whereas im sure SAINTS will become better and stronger.Look forward to seeing UTD & SPURS finishing below us next season.Oh & you might get that threesoome now as footballers are highly sought by trashy women up there !! COYS Halo Saint
  • Score: 31

3:13pm Fri 27 Jun 14

lowemustgo says...

I hope he enjoys his time there better than Wilfred Zaha!
I hope he enjoys his time there better than Wilfred Zaha! lowemustgo
  • Score: 19

3:14pm Fri 27 Jun 14

CHARLIE TAYLOR says...

A good deal for S.F.C.!!!
Sending a clear message to other clubs!! I"m confused !!!
Just wave the money around and all our players are for sale !!!
A good deal for S.F.C.!!! Sending a clear message to other clubs!! I"m confused !!! Just wave the money around and all our players are for sale !!! CHARLIE TAYLOR
  • Score: 13

3:17pm Fri 27 Jun 14

WinchesterBond says...

Decent transfer amount and hopefully the add on will bring in a little extra in years to come. I feel the lessons of past transfers of promising youngsters have been learned. Very pleased to note the intention to invest the funds to RK's wishes and hopefully the new acquisitions will help take us to the next level in what will be a very exciting season ahead. Nice comments recognising the efforts of the academy staff and hopefully a bit of a bonus coming their way! Best of luck to Luke after making his England debut, lucrative transfer and as he likes things to come in threes who knows what the DE will be reporting in their headline Ex-Saint Luke ................. .
Decent transfer amount and hopefully the add on will bring in a little extra in years to come. I feel the lessons of past transfers of promising youngsters have been learned. Very pleased to note the intention to invest the funds to RK's wishes and hopefully the new acquisitions will help take us to the next level in what will be a very exciting season ahead. Nice comments recognising the efforts of the academy staff and hopefully a bit of a bonus coming their way! Best of luck to Luke after making his England debut, lucrative transfer and as he likes things to come in threes who knows what the DE will be reporting in their headline Ex-Saint Luke ................. . WinchesterBond
  • Score: -6

3:22pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Kongen says...

Whilst it is always a negative to lose a player you want to keep you have to accept at times that a bid will come in that simply can't be refused, this is one of those cases.
Whilst it is always a negative to lose a player you want to keep you have to accept at times that a bid will come in that simply can't be refused, this is one of those cases. Kongen
  • Score: 12

3:23pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Forest Saint says...

Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer. Forest Saint
  • Score: -14

3:25pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Saintade says...

Don't believe a word this shambles Board tells you. " We won't sell any players until the manager is in"...well he's on holiday isn't he? "It's a good deal for the club". Is it? Break up the team and sell our best players? That makes it good for the club? Good for your pockets you mean. I bet we never see this reinvested in players. I feel totally conned out of my £750 for a season ticket, especially as Lallana is supposedly on his way today too. Can you get your money back on being mis-sold a season ticket? I am so angry right now...I just know we won't replace like with like and we'll be a laughing stock next season...then everyone else will want to leave as well. It's back to the Champ imo. Also, anyone else noticed the club has blocked tweets? I sent several voicing my displeasure and none have made it onto the website.
Don't believe a word this shambles Board tells you. " We won't sell any players until the manager is in"...well he's on holiday isn't he? "It's a good deal for the club". Is it? Break up the team and sell our best players? That makes it good for the club? Good for your pockets you mean. I bet we never see this reinvested in players. I feel totally conned out of my £750 for a season ticket, especially as Lallana is supposedly on his way today too. Can you get your money back on being mis-sold a season ticket? I am so angry right now...I just know we won't replace like with like and we'll be a laughing stock next season...then everyone else will want to leave as well. It's back to the Champ imo. Also, anyone else noticed the club has blocked tweets? I sent several voicing my displeasure and none have made it onto the website. Saintade
  • Score: -12

3:26pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Saintade says...

WinchesterBond wrote:
Decent transfer amount and hopefully the add on will bring in a little extra in years to come. I feel the lessons of past transfers of promising youngsters have been learned. Very pleased to note the intention to invest the funds to RK's wishes and hopefully the new acquisitions will help take us to the next level in what will be a very exciting season ahead. Nice comments recognising the efforts of the academy staff and hopefully a bit of a bonus coming their way! Best of luck to Luke after making his England debut, lucrative transfer and as he likes things to come in threes who knows what the DE will be reporting in their headline Ex-Saint Luke ................. .
Believe all that and you're a mug. Look at Saints over the years...you won't see more than 10% of that ploughed back into the club...straight into the director's and Katarina's pockets more like.
[quote][p][bold]WinchesterBond[/bold] wrote: Decent transfer amount and hopefully the add on will bring in a little extra in years to come. I feel the lessons of past transfers of promising youngsters have been learned. Very pleased to note the intention to invest the funds to RK's wishes and hopefully the new acquisitions will help take us to the next level in what will be a very exciting season ahead. Nice comments recognising the efforts of the academy staff and hopefully a bit of a bonus coming their way! Best of luck to Luke after making his England debut, lucrative transfer and as he likes things to come in threes who knows what the DE will be reporting in their headline Ex-Saint Luke ................. .[/p][/quote]Believe all that and you're a mug. Look at Saints over the years...you won't see more than 10% of that ploughed back into the club...straight into the director's and Katarina's pockets more like. Saintade
  • Score: -4

3:27pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Saintade says...

Kongen wrote:
Whilst it is always a negative to lose a player you want to keep you have to accept at times that a bid will come in that simply can't be refused, this is one of those cases.
are you going to say that in a couple of hours when Lallana goes, and when Lovren goes? and anyone else? It's a disaster for this club.
[quote][p][bold]Kongen[/bold] wrote: Whilst it is always a negative to lose a player you want to keep you have to accept at times that a bid will come in that simply can't be refused, this is one of those cases.[/p][/quote]are you going to say that in a couple of hours when Lallana goes, and when Lovren goes? and anyone else? It's a disaster for this club. Saintade
  • Score: 8

3:30pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Sainty saint saint says...

Saintade wrote:
WinchesterBond wrote:
Decent transfer amount and hopefully the add on will bring in a little extra in years to come. I feel the lessons of past transfers of promising youngsters have been learned. Very pleased to note the intention to invest the funds to RK's wishes and hopefully the new acquisitions will help take us to the next level in what will be a very exciting season ahead. Nice comments recognising the efforts of the academy staff and hopefully a bit of a bonus coming their way! Best of luck to Luke after making his England debut, lucrative transfer and as he likes things to come in threes who knows what the DE will be reporting in their headline Ex-Saint Luke ................. .
Believe all that and you're a mug. Look at Saints over the years...you won't see more than 10% of that ploughed back into the club...straight into the director's and Katarina's pockets more like.
Why don't you just wait and see?
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WinchesterBond[/bold] wrote: Decent transfer amount and hopefully the add on will bring in a little extra in years to come. I feel the lessons of past transfers of promising youngsters have been learned. Very pleased to note the intention to invest the funds to RK's wishes and hopefully the new acquisitions will help take us to the next level in what will be a very exciting season ahead. Nice comments recognising the efforts of the academy staff and hopefully a bit of a bonus coming their way! Best of luck to Luke after making his England debut, lucrative transfer and as he likes things to come in threes who knows what the DE will be reporting in their headline Ex-Saint Luke ................. .[/p][/quote]Believe all that and you're a mug. Look at Saints over the years...you won't see more than 10% of that ploughed back into the club...straight into the director's and Katarina's pockets more like.[/p][/quote]Why don't you just wait and see? Sainty saint saint
  • Score: 2

3:36pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Costa Baz says...

Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?
[quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet? Costa Baz
  • Score: 51

3:36pm Fri 27 Jun 14

szent8 says...

Looking forward to celebrating his career ending injury, along with the other traitorous scum. COYR
Looking forward to celebrating his career ending injury, along with the other traitorous scum. COYR szent8
  • Score: -5

3:38pm Fri 27 Jun 14

hugh123 says...

Great to get the money, but Oh dear!! did it HAVE to be Manchester b......y United? I hope he feels it's an improvement. I imagine he'll enjoy the salary. I shall hope even more than ever that Manure have another poor season!!
Great to get the money, but Oh dear!! did it HAVE to be Manchester b......y United? I hope he feels it's an improvement. I imagine he'll enjoy the salary. I shall hope even more than ever that Manure have another poor season!! hugh123
  • Score: 13

3:38pm Fri 27 Jun 14

shirley-bill says...

Trust RK , he knows what he is doing, 3 or 4 out , 3 or 4 in .
Lots of money for better players.
COYR and ORANGE
Trust RK , he knows what he is doing, 3 or 4 out , 3 or 4 in . Lots of money for better players. COYR and ORANGE shirley-bill
  • Score: 4

3:40pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Costa Baz says...

Saintade wrote:
Don't believe a word this shambles Board tells you. " We won't sell any players until the manager is in"...well he's on holiday isn't he? "It's a good deal for the club". Is it? Break up the team and sell our best players? That makes it good for the club? Good for your pockets you mean. I bet we never see this reinvested in players. I feel totally conned out of my £750 for a season ticket, especially as Lallana is supposedly on his way today too. Can you get your money back on being mis-sold a season ticket? I am so angry right now...I just know we won't replace like with like and we'll be a laughing stock next season...then everyone else will want to leave as well. It's back to the Champ imo. Also, anyone else noticed the club has blocked tweets? I sent several voicing my displeasure and none have made it onto the website.
Just guessing, but I would think Koeman agreed the sales, as I think it has been reported, elsewhere, that he doesn't keep players that make it clear they don't want to stay.
I'd suggest washing the dummy, under the tap, before putting it back in.
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: Don't believe a word this shambles Board tells you. " We won't sell any players until the manager is in"...well he's on holiday isn't he? "It's a good deal for the club". Is it? Break up the team and sell our best players? That makes it good for the club? Good for your pockets you mean. I bet we never see this reinvested in players. I feel totally conned out of my £750 for a season ticket, especially as Lallana is supposedly on his way today too. Can you get your money back on being mis-sold a season ticket? I am so angry right now...I just know we won't replace like with like and we'll be a laughing stock next season...then everyone else will want to leave as well. It's back to the Champ imo. Also, anyone else noticed the club has blocked tweets? I sent several voicing my displeasure and none have made it onto the website.[/p][/quote]Just guessing, but I would think Koeman agreed the sales, as I think it has been reported, elsewhere, that he doesn't keep players that make it clear they don't want to stay. I'd suggest washing the dummy, under the tap, before putting it back in. Costa Baz
  • Score: 17

3:41pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Rank Xerox says...

Excellent deal. Over valued and over rated. He's good but £30 million good - don't think so.

I just hope Les/Ron spend it wisely!
Excellent deal. Over valued and over rated. He's good but £30 million good - don't think so. I just hope Les/Ron spend it wisely! Rank Xerox
  • Score: 21

3:43pm Fri 27 Jun 14

SFC1984 says...

Clearly the worlds best academy worlds most expensive player and now worlds most expensive teenager
Clearly the worlds best academy worlds most expensive player and now worlds most expensive teenager SFC1984
  • Score: 9

3:46pm Fri 27 Jun 14

saintand266 says...

At least he'll find it easier to have a threesome now
At least he'll find it easier to have a threesome now saintand266
  • Score: 13

3:49pm Fri 27 Jun 14

saint dan says...

I think Lallana and Shaw have let us down badly. The first sign of success and they are off. Having said that, I dont think either one of them is half as good as they think they are. Both will be lucky to get 20 games next season so lets see what that does to their England chances. As long as we keep morg and j rod i'm. Lallana and Shaw have shown themselves to be no different to all the other money grabbing little sh1ts that play pro football. I'm the naive and stupid one for thinking that they were. I think like many, I will always wonder what could have happened to our beloved club had Nicola stayed. Also, did poch under perform with the array of talent that he had at his disposal??? I guess i'll never know
I think Lallana and Shaw have let us down badly. The first sign of success and they are off. Having said that, I dont think either one of them is half as good as they think they are. Both will be lucky to get 20 games next season so lets see what that does to their England chances. As long as we keep morg and j rod i'm. Lallana and Shaw have shown themselves to be no different to all the other money grabbing little sh1ts that play pro football. I'm the naive and stupid one for thinking that they were. I think like many, I will always wonder what could have happened to our beloved club had Nicola stayed. Also, did poch under perform with the array of talent that he had at his disposal??? I guess i'll never know saint dan
  • Score: 13

3:53pm Fri 27 Jun 14

up saints says...

not a selling club what a joke
not a selling club what a joke up saints
  • Score: 6

3:55pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Sainty saint saint says...

Anyone else noticed that on the official Saints site the 'poster boys' that appear on the left and right of the screen have changed from Adam and Luke to Spiderman and Ramirez.... let's just hope that these two aren't just place holders until they're sold too (although it seems many fans would be happy to see the back of Ramirez, I still think he has a lot to offer).
Anyone else noticed that on the official Saints site the 'poster boys' that appear on the left and right of the screen have changed from Adam and Luke to Spiderman and Ramirez.... let's just hope that these two aren't just place holders until they're sold too (although it seems many fans would be happy to see the back of Ramirez, I still think he has a lot to offer). Sainty saint saint
  • Score: 4

3:55pm Fri 27 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

Pochettino and his team, Ricky Lambert, Luke Shaw, Lallana having his medical right now, Lovren will be off as will Schneiderlin and there will be others.
I was berated when i suggested this would happen last month, I did not want to be proved right and hope that it would not happen
We have sent the message out that anyone is for sale.
These teams are our rivals and we are making them stronger whilst weakening ourselves.

Sure we will have replacements, but the ones coming in will take time to achieve what has taken a good few years to build at SMS.
Not only the spine being ripped out of our side but the soul as well.
Koeman will have about 6 weeks to assemble a team of strangers and get them ready for the start of the season, if he achieves this he'll be a football god.....

Another bad day.
Pochettino and his team, Ricky Lambert, Luke Shaw, Lallana having his medical right now, Lovren will be off as will Schneiderlin and there will be others. I was berated when i suggested this would happen last month, I did not want to be proved right and hope that it would not happen We have sent the message out that anyone is for sale. These teams are our rivals and we are making them stronger whilst weakening ourselves. Sure we will have replacements, but the ones coming in will take time to achieve what has taken a good few years to build at SMS. Not only the spine being ripped out of our side but the soul as well. Koeman will have about 6 weeks to assemble a team of strangers and get them ready for the start of the season, if he achieves this he'll be a football god..... Another bad day. costa gaz
  • Score: 22

3:59pm Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Steady now - Rambo has only just started work after his holiday - he's obviously okayed this with a plan in mind and the fee for this, and we still don't know how much because it's not been confirmed will be added to the war chest he was already promised (whatever that was because we've not had it confirmed). I am as annoyed as you are that Luke has **** on us in this way but he's gone for a goodly amount and all we can do is have faith in Rambo to spend wisely and frugally keeping a little in the kitty for emergencies at Xmas. What little time he's had to put into the club will have been spent getting Shaw and Lallana moved on (and maybe others too) Next week I think he will be looking to invest in the replacements for these two and a couple more to solidify the defence and a striker too. Let the dust settle and see. It's not a shame he couldn't stay longer it's a downright disgrace and that disgrace is all his the ungrateful little git.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Steady now - Rambo has only just started work after his holiday - he's obviously okayed this with a plan in mind and the fee for this, and we still don't know how much because it's not been confirmed will be added to the war chest he was already promised (whatever that was because we've not had it confirmed). I am as annoyed as you are that Luke has **** on us in this way but he's gone for a goodly amount and all we can do is have faith in Rambo to spend wisely and frugally keeping a little in the kitty for emergencies at Xmas. What little time he's had to put into the club will have been spent getting Shaw and Lallana moved on (and maybe others too) Next week I think he will be looking to invest in the replacements for these two and a couple more to solidify the defence and a striker too. Let the dust settle and see. It's not a shame he couldn't stay longer it's a downright disgrace and that disgrace is all his the ungrateful little git. jls217
  • Score: 5

4:03pm Fri 27 Jun 14

saintbobby says...

hugh123 wrote:
Great to get the money, but Oh dear!! did it HAVE to be Manchester b......y United? I hope he feels it's an improvement. I imagine he'll enjoy the salary. I shall hope even more than ever that Manure have another poor season!!
So do I - a lot! I really, really do, though now I do miss the manager parading the touch line pointing at his watch - ugh!
[quote][p][bold]hugh123[/bold] wrote: Great to get the money, but Oh dear!! did it HAVE to be Manchester b......y United? I hope he feels it's an improvement. I imagine he'll enjoy the salary. I shall hope even more than ever that Manure have another poor season!![/p][/quote]So do I - a lot! I really, really do, though now I do miss the manager parading the touch line pointing at his watch - ugh! saintbobby
  • Score: 3

4:04pm Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Anyone else noticed that on the official Saints site the 'poster boys' that appear on the left and right of the screen have changed from Adam and Luke to Spiderman and Ramirez.... let's just hope that these two aren't just place holders until they're sold too (although it seems many fans would be happy to see the back of Ramirez, I still think he has a lot to offer).
Saints version of the pending tray eh!?

Here's one who wouldn't want to lost Gaston - If he can keep away from injuries I think he's going to make quite a few people eat humble pie.
Said it all along that Spiderman is the one the club should be built around. Hope we don't lose any more.
Surprised nobody has been making eyes at Clyne if there's a better fullback in the PL I've not yet seen him.
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: Anyone else noticed that on the official Saints site the 'poster boys' that appear on the left and right of the screen have changed from Adam and Luke to Spiderman and Ramirez.... let's just hope that these two aren't just place holders until they're sold too (although it seems many fans would be happy to see the back of Ramirez, I still think he has a lot to offer).[/p][/quote]Saints version of the pending tray eh!? Here's one who wouldn't want to lost Gaston - If he can keep away from injuries I think he's going to make quite a few people eat humble pie. Said it all along that Spiderman is the one the club should be built around. Hope we don't lose any more. Surprised nobody has been making eyes at Clyne if there's a better fullback in the PL I've not yet seen him. jls217
  • Score: 2

4:04pm Fri 27 Jun 14

StElsass says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Saintade wrote:
Don't believe a word this shambles Board tells you. " We won't sell any players until the manager is in"...well he's on holiday isn't he? "It's a good deal for the club". Is it? Break up the team and sell our best players? That makes it good for the club? Good for your pockets you mean. I bet we never see this reinvested in players. I feel totally conned out of my £750 for a season ticket, especially as Lallana is supposedly on his way today too. Can you get your money back on being mis-sold a season ticket? I am so angry right now...I just know we won't replace like with like and we'll be a laughing stock next season...then everyone else will want to leave as well. It's back to the Champ imo. Also, anyone else noticed the club has blocked tweets? I sent several voicing my displeasure and none have made it onto the website.
Just guessing, but I would think Koeman agreed the sales, as I think it has been reported, elsewhere, that he doesn't keep players that make it clear they don't want to stay.
I'd suggest washing the dummy, under the tap, before putting it back in.
You're wasting your time. mate.
Over the next few days, this forum will make all apocalyptic end of the world prophecies look like mere kindergarten lullabies.
Best thing I can suggest is to stay away for a while.
Good weekend all.
Oh and, allez les bleus! :0)
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: Don't believe a word this shambles Board tells you. " We won't sell any players until the manager is in"...well he's on holiday isn't he? "It's a good deal for the club". Is it? Break up the team and sell our best players? That makes it good for the club? Good for your pockets you mean. I bet we never see this reinvested in players. I feel totally conned out of my £750 for a season ticket, especially as Lallana is supposedly on his way today too. Can you get your money back on being mis-sold a season ticket? I am so angry right now...I just know we won't replace like with like and we'll be a laughing stock next season...then everyone else will want to leave as well. It's back to the Champ imo. Also, anyone else noticed the club has blocked tweets? I sent several voicing my displeasure and none have made it onto the website.[/p][/quote]Just guessing, but I would think Koeman agreed the sales, as I think it has been reported, elsewhere, that he doesn't keep players that make it clear they don't want to stay. I'd suggest washing the dummy, under the tap, before putting it back in.[/p][/quote]You're wasting your time. mate. Over the next few days, this forum will make all apocalyptic end of the world prophecies look like mere kindergarten lullabies. Best thing I can suggest is to stay away for a while. Good weekend all. Oh and, allez les bleus! :0) StElsass
  • Score: 4

4:13pm Fri 27 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

Saintade wrote:
Don't believe a word this shambles Board tells you. " We won't sell any players until the manager is in"...well he's on holiday isn't he? "It's a good deal for the club". Is it? Break up the team and sell our best players? That makes it good for the club? Good for your pockets you mean. I bet we never see this reinvested in players. I feel totally conned out of my £750 for a season ticket, especially as Lallana is supposedly on his way today too. Can you get your money back on being mis-sold a season ticket? I am so angry right now...I just know we won't replace like with like and we'll be a laughing stock next season...then everyone else will want to leave as well. It's back to the Champ imo. Also, anyone else noticed the club has blocked tweets? I sent several voicing my displeasure and none have made it onto the website.
Sell your ticket or send it back in protest then if it's all that terrible!
There will be a team there next season, new faces and a new manager - it might even be exciting! Pick your chin up off of your boots and you may be able to see that!
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: Don't believe a word this shambles Board tells you. " We won't sell any players until the manager is in"...well he's on holiday isn't he? "It's a good deal for the club". Is it? Break up the team and sell our best players? That makes it good for the club? Good for your pockets you mean. I bet we never see this reinvested in players. I feel totally conned out of my £750 for a season ticket, especially as Lallana is supposedly on his way today too. Can you get your money back on being mis-sold a season ticket? I am so angry right now...I just know we won't replace like with like and we'll be a laughing stock next season...then everyone else will want to leave as well. It's back to the Champ imo. Also, anyone else noticed the club has blocked tweets? I sent several voicing my displeasure and none have made it onto the website.[/p][/quote]Sell your ticket or send it back in protest then if it's all that terrible! There will be a team there next season, new faces and a new manager - it might even be exciting! Pick your chin up off of your boots and you may be able to see that! St.Winch70
  • Score: 11

4:15pm Fri 27 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

szent8 wrote:
Looking forward to celebrating his career ending injury, along with the other traitorous scum. COYR
Probably the most ridiculous, poisonous post I've seen on the subject. You're obviously not a football fan - just a wånker.
[quote][p][bold]szent8[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to celebrating his career ending injury, along with the other traitorous scum. COYR[/p][/quote]Probably the most ridiculous, poisonous post I've seen on the subject. You're obviously not a football fan - just a wånker. St.Winch70
  • Score: 20

4:16pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

costa gaz wrote:
Pochettino and his team, Ricky Lambert, Luke Shaw, Lallana having his medical right now, Lovren will be off as will Schneiderlin and there will be others.
I was berated when i suggested this would happen last month, I did not want to be proved right and hope that it would not happen
We have sent the message out that anyone is for sale.
These teams are our rivals and we are making them stronger whilst weakening ourselves.

Sure we will have replacements, but the ones coming in will take time to achieve what has taken a good few years to build at SMS.
Not only the spine being ripped out of our side but the soul as well.
Koeman will have about 6 weeks to assemble a team of strangers and get them ready for the start of the season, if he achieves this he'll be a football god.....

Another bad day.
It's amazing how everyone else blows with the wind gaz, at least we remain consistent.

One minute MoPo and his style of play was amazing, a joy to watch and teaching the big boys a lesson - but apparently that was wrong, he is in fact a one trick pony with no plan B and will be found out next season. Luke appeared to be the best up and coming left back in the world with good defensive skills, a turn of pace and a full on attacking wide man - but that was wrong too, he was often out of position, lacked a final ball and will be found out next season if he isn't warming the bench. Adam was merely a one trick pony of course with no pace and can't last 90 mins.

Perhaps StElsass and his cronies can inform us why Lovren and Morgan are in reality crap, just in case like...
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Pochettino and his team, Ricky Lambert, Luke Shaw, Lallana having his medical right now, Lovren will be off as will Schneiderlin and there will be others. I was berated when i suggested this would happen last month, I did not want to be proved right and hope that it would not happen We have sent the message out that anyone is for sale. These teams are our rivals and we are making them stronger whilst weakening ourselves. Sure we will have replacements, but the ones coming in will take time to achieve what has taken a good few years to build at SMS. Not only the spine being ripped out of our side but the soul as well. Koeman will have about 6 weeks to assemble a team of strangers and get them ready for the start of the season, if he achieves this he'll be a football god..... Another bad day.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how everyone else blows with the wind gaz, at least we remain consistent. One minute MoPo and his style of play was amazing, a joy to watch and teaching the big boys a lesson - but apparently that was wrong, he is in fact a one trick pony with no plan B and will be found out next season. Luke appeared to be the best up and coming left back in the world with good defensive skills, a turn of pace and a full on attacking wide man - but that was wrong too, he was often out of position, lacked a final ball and will be found out next season if he isn't warming the bench. Adam was merely a one trick pony of course with no pace and can't last 90 mins. Perhaps StElsass and his cronies can inform us why Lovren and Morgan are in reality crap, just in case like... Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 6

4:18pm Fri 27 Jun 14

redandy10 says...

I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?
I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar? redandy10
  • Score: 6

4:20pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Forest Saint says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?
Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money!
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?[/p][/quote]Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money! Forest Saint
  • Score: 4

4:21pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Dan Howard says...

Don't see the issue here. We raided Bristol Rovers for Rickie, Burnley for J Rod, Lyon for Dejan and Chelsea's development centre in Guildford for Luke.

There's always a bigger fish.

It's naive to pretend that a club with less than £100m turnover like Saints is going to resist Man U with a turnover north of £500m.

The good news us that we can and will re-invest the money......that would have been the deal with RoKo before he joined.

He would have said " clear them all out, give me the money to reinvest and let's start again" .

Remember what it was like 5 years ago.

If anyone had said then, in 5 years time, we will be upper mid table, entering our third premiership year, having just hired Ronald Koeman, having just sold 3 top players and about to sell a top defender, having pocketed upwards of £50m plus another £15 m plus to come for Dejan the defender, just about to buy Timothee Kolo, Jon-Paul Boetius, Tadic, Marshall, Huntelaar, Virgil van Dijk and Joel Campbell we'd have said which planet are you from?

It's called Planet Southampton FC.

We live there.

Others would sell their mother to to buy a ticket to join us.
Don't see the issue here. We raided Bristol Rovers for Rickie, Burnley for J Rod, Lyon for Dejan and Chelsea's development centre in Guildford for Luke. There's always a bigger fish. It's naive to pretend that a club with less than £100m turnover like Saints is going to resist Man U with a turnover north of £500m. The good news us that we can and will re-invest the money......that would have been the deal with RoKo before he joined. He would have said " clear them all out, give me the money to reinvest and let's start again" . Remember what it was like 5 years ago. If anyone had said then, in 5 years time, we will be upper mid table, entering our third premiership year, having just hired Ronald Koeman, having just sold 3 top players and about to sell a top defender, having pocketed upwards of £50m plus another £15 m plus to come for Dejan the defender, just about to buy Timothee Kolo, Jon-Paul Boetius, Tadic, Marshall, Huntelaar, Virgil van Dijk and Joel Campbell we'd have said which planet are you from? It's called Planet Southampton FC. We live there. Others would sell their mother to to buy a ticket to join us. Dan Howard
  • Score: 14

4:28pm Fri 27 Jun 14

7saint7 says...

were back to being a selling club .. Just hope the cash is spent on good players and not big money flops
were back to being a selling club .. Just hope the cash is spent on good players and not big money flops 7saint7
  • Score: -1

4:29pm Fri 27 Jun 14

StElsass says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Pochettino and his team, Ricky Lambert, Luke Shaw, Lallana having his medical right now, Lovren will be off as will Schneiderlin and there will be others.
I was berated when i suggested this would happen last month, I did not want to be proved right and hope that it would not happen
We have sent the message out that anyone is for sale.
These teams are our rivals and we are making them stronger whilst weakening ourselves.

Sure we will have replacements, but the ones coming in will take time to achieve what has taken a good few years to build at SMS.
Not only the spine being ripped out of our side but the soul as well.
Koeman will have about 6 weeks to assemble a team of strangers and get them ready for the start of the season, if he achieves this he'll be a football god.....

Another bad day.
It's amazing how everyone else blows with the wind gaz, at least we remain consistent.

One minute MoPo and his style of play was amazing, a joy to watch and teaching the big boys a lesson - but apparently that was wrong, he is in fact a one trick pony with no plan B and will be found out next season. Luke appeared to be the best up and coming left back in the world with good defensive skills, a turn of pace and a full on attacking wide man - but that was wrong too, he was often out of position, lacked a final ball and will be found out next season if he isn't warming the bench. Adam was merely a one trick pony of course with no pace and can't last 90 mins.

Perhaps StElsass and his cronies can inform us why Lovren and Morgan are in reality crap, just in case like...
Oh dear! You really are upset, aren't you?
I'm off to the garden, with a nice cold beer. Leaving you to it. Can't deal with all this doom and gloom at the start of a weekend.... Cheers!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Pochettino and his team, Ricky Lambert, Luke Shaw, Lallana having his medical right now, Lovren will be off as will Schneiderlin and there will be others. I was berated when i suggested this would happen last month, I did not want to be proved right and hope that it would not happen We have sent the message out that anyone is for sale. These teams are our rivals and we are making them stronger whilst weakening ourselves. Sure we will have replacements, but the ones coming in will take time to achieve what has taken a good few years to build at SMS. Not only the spine being ripped out of our side but the soul as well. Koeman will have about 6 weeks to assemble a team of strangers and get them ready for the start of the season, if he achieves this he'll be a football god..... Another bad day.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how everyone else blows with the wind gaz, at least we remain consistent. One minute MoPo and his style of play was amazing, a joy to watch and teaching the big boys a lesson - but apparently that was wrong, he is in fact a one trick pony with no plan B and will be found out next season. Luke appeared to be the best up and coming left back in the world with good defensive skills, a turn of pace and a full on attacking wide man - but that was wrong too, he was often out of position, lacked a final ball and will be found out next season if he isn't warming the bench. Adam was merely a one trick pony of course with no pace and can't last 90 mins. Perhaps StElsass and his cronies can inform us why Lovren and Morgan are in reality crap, just in case like...[/p][/quote]Oh dear! You really are upset, aren't you? I'm off to the garden, with a nice cold beer. Leaving you to it. Can't deal with all this doom and gloom at the start of a weekend.... Cheers! StElsass
  • Score: -2

4:32pm Fri 27 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

redandy10 wrote:
I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?
I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far.
And it ain't over yet......
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?[/p][/quote]I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far. And it ain't over yet...... costa gaz
  • Score: 8

4:32pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Costa Baz says...

Forest Saint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?
Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money!
I thought they pushed for as much as they could get, which is totally different to "just took the money".

Luke has been making faux pas on Twitter for weeks, that indicated that he had more than a passing interest in Man Utd.
Maybe he didn't ask for a transfer, (has that been confirmed?), but his actions, on Twitter had most realising that he was interested in going.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?[/p][/quote]Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money![/p][/quote]I thought they pushed for as much as they could get, which is totally different to "just took the money". Luke has been making faux pas on Twitter for weeks, that indicated that he had more than a passing interest in Man Utd. Maybe he didn't ask for a transfer, (has that been confirmed?), but his actions, on Twitter had most realising that he was interested in going. Costa Baz
  • Score: 3

4:50pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Costa Baz says...

Just my opinion, but it looks like Ronko/Reed/Katharina are clearing out those that were more interested in playing for Cortese/Pochettino than the club.
If that is the case, then they have my full backing.

As long as the fees, received, are a p1ss take, and the money re-invested wisely, then I will still reserve judgement, until after the transfer window has "slammed" shut, at the end of August.
If it then goes mammaries up, then so be it.
Just my opinion, but it looks like Ronko/Reed/Katharina are clearing out those that were more interested in playing for Cortese/Pochettino than the club. If that is the case, then they have my full backing. As long as the fees, received, are a p1ss take, and the money re-invested wisely, then I will still reserve judgement, until after the transfer window has "slammed" shut, at the end of August. If it then goes mammaries up, then so be it. Costa Baz
  • Score: 8

4:54pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

7saint7 wrote:
were back to being a selling club .. Just hope the cash is spent on good players and not big money flops
Or Sunseekers and flash motors
[quote][p][bold]7saint7[/bold] wrote: were back to being a selling club .. Just hope the cash is spent on good players and not big money flops[/p][/quote]Or Sunseekers and flash motors Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 1

4:55pm Fri 27 Jun 14

redandy10 says...

costa gaz wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?
I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far.
And it ain't over yet......
Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!!
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?[/p][/quote]I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far. And it ain't over yet......[/p][/quote]Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!! redandy10
  • Score: 11

5:06pm Fri 27 Jun 14

jasons odd says...

Looks like all the good work done by Messrs. Cortese , Adkins and Pochettino has been ripped up and wasted .

Most realistic fans knew this would happen when Cortese left . Dreams of making a success of our club are well and truly gone


...I think we all know what Lovren , Schneiderlin and Clyne are thinking right now .

No doubt the usual delusional dreamers will be on proclaiming its all part of Ms Liebherrs plan to make us great . Wake up fools
Looks like all the good work done by Messrs. Cortese , Adkins and Pochettino has been ripped up and wasted . Most realistic fans knew this would happen when Cortese left . Dreams of making a success of our club are well and truly gone ...I think we all know what Lovren , Schneiderlin and Clyne are thinking right now . No doubt the usual delusional dreamers will be on proclaiming its all part of Ms Liebherrs plan to make us great . Wake up fools jasons odd
  • Score: 17

5:08pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Wembley76 says...

Dan Howard wrote:
Don't see the issue here. We raided Bristol Rovers for Rickie, Burnley for J Rod, Lyon for Dejan and Chelsea's development centre in Guildford for Luke.

There's always a bigger fish.

It's naive to pretend that a club with less than £100m turnover like Saints is going to resist Man U with a turnover north of £500m.

The good news us that we can and will re-invest the money......that would have been the deal with RoKo before he joined.

He would have said " clear them all out, give me the money to reinvest and let's start again" .

Remember what it was like 5 years ago.

If anyone had said then, in 5 years time, we will be upper mid table, entering our third premiership year, having just hired Ronald Koeman, having just sold 3 top players and about to sell a top defender, having pocketed upwards of £50m plus another £15 m plus to come for Dejan the defender, just about to buy Timothee Kolo, Jon-Paul Boetius, Tadic, Marshall, Huntelaar, Virgil van Dijk and Joel Campbell we'd have said which planet are you from?

It's called Planet Southampton FC.

We live there.

Others would sell their mother to to buy a ticket to join us.
Well said...let's have a bit of reaity here....this is excellent money for a 'high potential' 18 year old left back....and gives us a real chance to strengthen the team...good business...we will miss Luke, but we could really benefit from strengthening CB / GK and replacing him......We are not a 'selling club' anymore than every other club in the world apart from very small handful of elite...Let's stop berating the board and get behind them, the manager and the players who are staying...
[quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: Don't see the issue here. We raided Bristol Rovers for Rickie, Burnley for J Rod, Lyon for Dejan and Chelsea's development centre in Guildford for Luke. There's always a bigger fish. It's naive to pretend that a club with less than £100m turnover like Saints is going to resist Man U with a turnover north of £500m. The good news us that we can and will re-invest the money......that would have been the deal with RoKo before he joined. He would have said " clear them all out, give me the money to reinvest and let's start again" . Remember what it was like 5 years ago. If anyone had said then, in 5 years time, we will be upper mid table, entering our third premiership year, having just hired Ronald Koeman, having just sold 3 top players and about to sell a top defender, having pocketed upwards of £50m plus another £15 m plus to come for Dejan the defender, just about to buy Timothee Kolo, Jon-Paul Boetius, Tadic, Marshall, Huntelaar, Virgil van Dijk and Joel Campbell we'd have said which planet are you from? It's called Planet Southampton FC. We live there. Others would sell their mother to to buy a ticket to join us.[/p][/quote]Well said...let's have a bit of reaity here....this is excellent money for a 'high potential' 18 year old left back....and gives us a real chance to strengthen the team...good business...we will miss Luke, but we could really benefit from strengthening CB / GK and replacing him......We are not a 'selling club' anymore than every other club in the world apart from very small handful of elite...Let's stop berating the board and get behind them, the manager and the players who are staying... Wembley76
  • Score: 4

5:14pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Chapperall says...

This is all becoming quite unerving for us season ticket holders. How about somr news on players coming in instead of leaving! It's beginning to feel a bit like a fire sale! I am ok with Ricky and Shaw going but I think that's enough. Lallana should not be sold
This is all becoming quite unerving for us season ticket holders. How about somr news on players coming in instead of leaving! It's beginning to feel a bit like a fire sale! I am ok with Ricky and Shaw going but I think that's enough. Lallana should not be sold Chapperall
  • Score: 4

5:18pm Fri 27 Jun 14

cebu blue says...

Well done saints get rid of your high profile players and probably substitute them all with unknown foreign players brought in by a new foreign manager who has no real knowledge of Southampton FC and members of it's squad.
Still you got loads of dosh to spend on replacements but will they be any better than what you had.
Well done saints get rid of your high profile players and probably substitute them all with unknown foreign players brought in by a new foreign manager who has no real knowledge of Southampton FC and members of it's squad. Still you got loads of dosh to spend on replacements but will they be any better than what you had. cebu blue
  • Score: 2

5:21pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Skating on thin ice says...

A few of you at least do realise what is happening. Katharina owns the club, and she can do what she likes with it. She's decided that pushing on for a higher league placing and European football would be too much of a gamble, and she's cashing in instead.

£50 million of the cash raised from player sales will be given to the KoKo brothers as transfer funds. They will buy some half-decent players.... The rest of the cash raised will be declared as "trading profit". Following the capital restructuring of the club during summer 2012 (have you been keeping up?), this profit can now be paid to the club's owner as a dividend. And it will be. Kit Kat will have the Board's full support of course, because they are all her placemen.

Remember that Katharina Liebherr has no documented achievements of her own. Her only claim to fame is to have inherited the wealth her father Markus generated through his engineering genius. Since his death she has liquidated the MALI companies which owned his patents, and is now moving on to extract her profit from Southampton FC.
A few of you at least do realise what is happening. Katharina owns the club, and she can do what she likes with it. She's decided that pushing on for a higher league placing and European football would be too much of a gamble, and she's cashing in instead. £50 million of the cash raised from player sales will be given to the KoKo brothers as transfer funds. They will buy some half-decent players.... The rest of the cash raised will be declared as "trading profit". Following the capital restructuring of the club during summer 2012 (have you been keeping up?), this profit can now be paid to the club's owner as a dividend. And it will be. Kit Kat will have the Board's full support of course, because they are all her placemen. Remember that Katharina Liebherr has no documented achievements of her own. Her only claim to fame is to have inherited the wealth her father Markus generated through his engineering genius. Since his death she has liquidated the MALI companies which owned his patents, and is now moving on to extract her profit from Southampton FC. Skating on thin ice
  • Score: 7

5:22pm Fri 27 Jun 14

St.Gaz says...

jasons odd wrote:
Looks like all the good work done by Messrs. Cortese , Adkins and Pochettino has been ripped up and wasted .

Most realistic fans knew this would happen when Cortese left . Dreams of making a success of our club are well and truly gone


...I think we all know what Lovren , Schneiderlin and Clyne are thinking right now .

No doubt the usual delusional dreamers will be on proclaiming its all part of Ms Liebherrs plan to make us great . Wake up fools
Save you breath! There frogs in a pan waiting to be boiled!
They will not wake up till it's to late!
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: Looks like all the good work done by Messrs. Cortese , Adkins and Pochettino has been ripped up and wasted . Most realistic fans knew this would happen when Cortese left . Dreams of making a success of our club are well and truly gone ...I think we all know what Lovren , Schneiderlin and Clyne are thinking right now . No doubt the usual delusional dreamers will be on proclaiming its all part of Ms Liebherrs plan to make us great . Wake up fools[/p][/quote]Save you breath! There frogs in a pan waiting to be boiled! They will not wake up till it's to late! St.Gaz
  • Score: 5

5:34pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Clever Dick says...

Wembley76 wrote:
Dan Howard wrote:
Don't see the issue here. We raided Bristol Rovers for Rickie, Burnley for J Rod, Lyon for Dejan and Chelsea's development centre in Guildford for Luke.

There's always a bigger fish.

It's naive to pretend that a club with less than £100m turnover like Saints is going to resist Man U with a turnover north of £500m.

The good news us that we can and will re-invest the money......that would have been the deal with RoKo before he joined.

He would have said " clear them all out, give me the money to reinvest and let's start again" .

Remember what it was like 5 years ago.

If anyone had said then, in 5 years time, we will be upper mid table, entering our third premiership year, having just hired Ronald Koeman, having just sold 3 top players and about to sell a top defender, having pocketed upwards of £50m plus another £15 m plus to come for Dejan the defender, just about to buy Timothee Kolo, Jon-Paul Boetius, Tadic, Marshall, Huntelaar, Virgil van Dijk and Joel Campbell we'd have said which planet are you from?

It's called Planet Southampton FC.

We live there.

Others would sell their mother to to buy a ticket to join us.
Well said...let's have a bit of reaity here....this is excellent money for a 'high potential' 18 year old left back....and gives us a real chance to strengthen the team...good business...we will miss Luke, but we could really benefit from strengthening CB / GK and replacing him......We are not a 'selling club' anymore than every other club in the world apart from very small handful of elite...Let's stop berating the board and get behind them, the manager and the players who are staying...
Every player in the world has a price which cannot be turned down. If we find a full back who can add more than one assist and maybe even get a goal then his stats will be better than Luke's. It's not Saints who are the mugs it's Manure. They now have two players on their books who are costing them £400k per week. That's more than the entire wage bill of some prem league clubs. Likewise with Adam. It's a shame that bmuff get some of the cash but he ain't worth £25 million. Looking forward to the improvements in the squad this cash will bring. We now have a transfer kitty which will turn many prem clubs green with envy. Priorities are one or even two strikers ,a central defender, new LB, and a playmaker to replace ( But better than) Adam
[quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: Don't see the issue here. We raided Bristol Rovers for Rickie, Burnley for J Rod, Lyon for Dejan and Chelsea's development centre in Guildford for Luke. There's always a bigger fish. It's naive to pretend that a club with less than £100m turnover like Saints is going to resist Man U with a turnover north of £500m. The good news us that we can and will re-invest the money......that would have been the deal with RoKo before he joined. He would have said " clear them all out, give me the money to reinvest and let's start again" . Remember what it was like 5 years ago. If anyone had said then, in 5 years time, we will be upper mid table, entering our third premiership year, having just hired Ronald Koeman, having just sold 3 top players and about to sell a top defender, having pocketed upwards of £50m plus another £15 m plus to come for Dejan the defender, just about to buy Timothee Kolo, Jon-Paul Boetius, Tadic, Marshall, Huntelaar, Virgil van Dijk and Joel Campbell we'd have said which planet are you from? It's called Planet Southampton FC. We live there. Others would sell their mother to to buy a ticket to join us.[/p][/quote]Well said...let's have a bit of reaity here....this is excellent money for a 'high potential' 18 year old left back....and gives us a real chance to strengthen the team...good business...we will miss Luke, but we could really benefit from strengthening CB / GK and replacing him......We are not a 'selling club' anymore than every other club in the world apart from very small handful of elite...Let's stop berating the board and get behind them, the manager and the players who are staying...[/p][/quote]Every player in the world has a price which cannot be turned down. If we find a full back who can add more than one assist and maybe even get a goal then his stats will be better than Luke's. It's not Saints who are the mugs it's Manure. They now have two players on their books who are costing them £400k per week. That's more than the entire wage bill of some prem league clubs. Likewise with Adam. It's a shame that bmuff get some of the cash but he ain't worth £25 million. Looking forward to the improvements in the squad this cash will bring. We now have a transfer kitty which will turn many prem clubs green with envy. Priorities are one or even two strikers ,a central defender, new LB, and a playmaker to replace ( But better than) Adam Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

5:40pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Harold K Steptoe says...

27m was UTDs valuation and offer, thought we were selling players on our terms. 10m under what it should be.
27m was UTDs valuation and offer, thought we were selling players on our terms. 10m under what it should be. Harold K Steptoe
  • Score: 1

5:41pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

jls217 wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
Anyone else noticed that on the official Saints site the 'poster boys' that appear on the left and right of the screen have changed from Adam and Luke to Spiderman and Ramirez.... let's just hope that these two aren't just place holders until they're sold too (although it seems many fans would be happy to see the back of Ramirez, I still think he has a lot to offer).
Saints version of the pending tray eh!?

Here's one who wouldn't want to lost Gaston - If he can keep away from injuries I think he's going to make quite a few people eat humble pie.
Said it all along that Spiderman is the one the club should be built around. Hope we don't lose any more.
Surprised nobody has been making eyes at Clyne if there's a better fullback in the PL I've not yet seen him.
In my not-so-humble opinion, Ramirez has shown no indication whatsoever that he has the stomach or stones for football in England - Saints were a 9-man team with 2 boys on the pitch when he and Lallana were both in the side. Compare to JRod and how he bulked up and competed after the first half season in the PL. JRod figured out what it would take and he is very physically-imposing and still learning to use his size and strength. As for Morgan, he looks very good as a holding midfielder, but has neither the vision nor passing skill for the attacking game (see how Deschamps used him in the last match - defensively, and dishing off to Pogba and others as soon as possible). Morgan, Cork, and the talent-challenged but physical Wanyama are all good at the back end, but Saints need someone (or two) to work with Davis going forward, and that someone needs to be tougher than Lallana/Ramirez as well as having passing skill and vision. As I noted on the other thread, the loss of Shaw, for a ton of money, is offset by the opportunity to play both Clyne and Chambers each week (I'm assuming Fox has/will be off to a more suitable league, like Sunday league, please God help us all. Good athlete but thick as a brick. That might make him smart enough for a regular spot in the England squad :), but not in any competitive professional league). FWIW.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: Anyone else noticed that on the official Saints site the 'poster boys' that appear on the left and right of the screen have changed from Adam and Luke to Spiderman and Ramirez.... let's just hope that these two aren't just place holders until they're sold too (although it seems many fans would be happy to see the back of Ramirez, I still think he has a lot to offer).[/p][/quote]Saints version of the pending tray eh!? Here's one who wouldn't want to lost Gaston - If he can keep away from injuries I think he's going to make quite a few people eat humble pie. Said it all along that Spiderman is the one the club should be built around. Hope we don't lose any more. Surprised nobody has been making eyes at Clyne if there's a better fullback in the PL I've not yet seen him.[/p][/quote]In my not-so-humble opinion, Ramirez has shown no indication whatsoever that he has the stomach or stones for football in England - Saints were a 9-man team with 2 boys on the pitch when he and Lallana were both in the side. Compare to JRod and how he bulked up and competed after the first half season in the PL. JRod figured out what it would take and he is very physically-imposing and still learning to use his size and strength. As for Morgan, he looks very good as a holding midfielder, but has neither the vision nor passing skill for the attacking game (see how Deschamps used him in the last match - defensively, and dishing off to Pogba and others as soon as possible). Morgan, Cork, and the talent-challenged but physical Wanyama are all good at the back end, but Saints need someone (or two) to work with Davis going forward, and that someone needs to be tougher than Lallana/Ramirez as well as having passing skill and vision. As I noted on the other thread, the loss of Shaw, for a ton of money, is offset by the opportunity to play both Clyne and Chambers each week (I'm assuming Fox has/will be off to a more suitable league, like Sunday league, please God help us all. Good athlete but thick as a brick. That might make him smart enough for a regular spot in the England squad :), but not in any competitive professional league). FWIW. Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
  • Score: 3

5:45pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
A few of you at least do realise what is happening. Katharina owns the club, and she can do what she likes with it. She's decided that pushing on for a higher league placing and European football would be too much of a gamble, and she's cashing in instead.

£50 million of the cash raised from player sales will be given to the KoKo brothers as transfer funds. They will buy some half-decent players.... The rest of the cash raised will be declared as "trading profit". Following the capital restructuring of the club during summer 2012 (have you been keeping up?), this profit can now be paid to the club's owner as a dividend. And it will be. Kit Kat will have the Board's full support of course, because they are all her placemen.

Remember that Katharina Liebherr has no documented achievements of her own. Her only claim to fame is to have inherited the wealth her father Markus generated through his engineering genius. Since his death she has liquidated the MALI companies which owned his patents, and is now moving on to extract her profit from Southampton FC.
Could be, but that's the nature of the game/business, unfortunately. We'll have to wait and see.
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: A few of you at least do realise what is happening. Katharina owns the club, and she can do what she likes with it. She's decided that pushing on for a higher league placing and European football would be too much of a gamble, and she's cashing in instead. £50 million of the cash raised from player sales will be given to the KoKo brothers as transfer funds. They will buy some half-decent players.... The rest of the cash raised will be declared as "trading profit". Following the capital restructuring of the club during summer 2012 (have you been keeping up?), this profit can now be paid to the club's owner as a dividend. And it will be. Kit Kat will have the Board's full support of course, because they are all her placemen. Remember that Katharina Liebherr has no documented achievements of her own. Her only claim to fame is to have inherited the wealth her father Markus generated through his engineering genius. Since his death she has liquidated the MALI companies which owned his patents, and is now moving on to extract her profit from Southampton FC.[/p][/quote]Could be, but that's the nature of the game/business, unfortunately. We'll have to wait and see. Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
  • Score: -2

5:50pm Fri 27 Jun 14

milton road says...

Logic is rarely used in football.
We lost NC, then Poch ad then the talismen RL went to Liverpool mainly I think to entice Lallana to go. Shaw went,
Why simply because when NC left he started the domino rolling and the whole concept of the clu being all for one and one for all changed to every man for himself.
RL will be brought out as an occasional bit part player in the swan song time of his career. Ye and the belief is Lallana cannot play 90 mins he was after all Saints most subbed player last season. Shaw is a great young full back ther is no doubt wehther he will fulfill his potential as Bale did only time will tell.
Adam is coming up to 27 he probably felt he could not wait any longer to get the move for CL football.
How many more go who knows
Yet the honesty of it is that Koeman will build his own team and have to build that same spirit no easy job.
Yet Lallana may have been almost a god at Saints but he comes way down the list of european talented midfielders and nowhere on the world scale probably of 100.
If Ramirez stays and is consistent he is potentially a better midfielder. Losing players we love is a blow but then, there is the opportunity for as good or better to come in. W"e have to hope that is the case, but no club can now gaurantee holding a player. All the big clubs have had to seel players they wanted to keep.
No one will argue that Lallana had an indifferent first prem season though this one was sublime and i doubt few reckon he will not spend a lot of bench time at Liverpool. maybe it will bring him down to earth a little. 52million up front for Shaw and Lallana is not bad business, with add ons o follow. ano9ther 30 million given by club for transfers gives a very strong squad building sum and used croeectly can increase our depth greatly. Players weill take time to settle and we will have to regroup-. Yet we do have a strong manager with experience who for the first time has a transfer budget to build a team. Let us see what happens.
Logic is rarely used in football. We lost NC, then Poch ad then the talismen RL went to Liverpool mainly I think to entice Lallana to go. Shaw went, Why simply because when NC left he started the domino rolling and the whole concept of the clu being all for one and one for all changed to every man for himself. RL will be brought out as an occasional bit part player in the swan song time of his career. Ye and the belief is Lallana cannot play 90 mins he was after all Saints most subbed player last season. Shaw is a great young full back ther is no doubt wehther he will fulfill his potential as Bale did only time will tell. Adam is coming up to 27 he probably felt he could not wait any longer to get the move for CL football. How many more go who knows Yet the honesty of it is that Koeman will build his own team and have to build that same spirit no easy job. Yet Lallana may have been almost a god at Saints but he comes way down the list of european talented midfielders and nowhere on the world scale probably of 100. If Ramirez stays and is consistent he is potentially a better midfielder. Losing players we love is a blow but then, there is the opportunity for as good or better to come in. W"e have to hope that is the case, but no club can now gaurantee holding a player. All the big clubs have had to seel players they wanted to keep. No one will argue that Lallana had an indifferent first prem season though this one was sublime and i doubt few reckon he will not spend a lot of bench time at Liverpool. maybe it will bring him down to earth a little. 52million up front for Shaw and Lallana is not bad business, with add ons o follow. ano9ther 30 million given by club for transfers gives a very strong squad building sum and used croeectly can increase our depth greatly. Players weill take time to settle and we will have to regroup-. Yet we do have a strong manager with experience who for the first time has a transfer budget to build a team. Let us see what happens. milton road
  • Score: 6

5:52pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Simmo13 says...

Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Wished I could get my season ticket money back the money we pay we deserve better than this.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Wished I could get my season ticket money back the money we pay we deserve better than this. Simmo13
  • Score: 2

5:54pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Plastic Saint says...

Saints have entered a new era When Cortese left I think it was obvious Mopo would go sooner rather than later, then you have Lallana, he has just had his best ever season and played at a world cup, he has given Saints good service and he is half way through his career so he deserves a decent move if he is offered one, Lambert gets his dream move, Shaw, say what you like but would you really turn down £160k per week? I fully expect Lovren & Gaston to follow as these were sold a vision by Cortese and are mercenary. Time now for Koeman and the board to build a new future with players loyal to them and the club not the old regime. As Saints fans we have seen the lows & I am confident that we are still on the up just with some new, maybe even better players. Keep the faith guys.
COYR
Saints have entered a new era When Cortese left I think it was obvious Mopo would go sooner rather than later, then you have Lallana, he has just had his best ever season and played at a world cup, he has given Saints good service and he is half way through his career so he deserves a decent move if he is offered one, Lambert gets his dream move, Shaw, say what you like but would you really turn down £160k per week? I fully expect Lovren & Gaston to follow as these were sold a vision by Cortese and are mercenary. Time now for Koeman and the board to build a new future with players loyal to them and the club not the old regime. As Saints fans we have seen the lows & I am confident that we are still on the up just with some new, maybe even better players. Keep the faith guys. COYR Plastic Saint
  • Score: 1

5:54pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Simmo13 says...

Saintade wrote:
Don't believe a word this shambles Board tells you. " We won't sell any players until the manager is in"...well he's on holiday isn't he? "It's a good deal for the club". Is it? Break up the team and sell our best players? That makes it good for the club? Good for your pockets you mean. I bet we never see this reinvested in players. I feel totally conned out of my £750 for a season ticket, especially as Lallana is supposedly on his way today too. Can you get your money back on being mis-sold a season ticket? I am so angry right now...I just know we won't replace like with like and we'll be a laughing stock next season...then everyone else will want to leave as well. It's back to the Champ imo. Also, anyone else noticed the club has blocked tweets? I sent several voicing my displeasure and none have made it onto the website.
Wished I could get my season ticket money back the money we pay we deserve better than this.
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: Don't believe a word this shambles Board tells you. " We won't sell any players until the manager is in"...well he's on holiday isn't he? "It's a good deal for the club". Is it? Break up the team and sell our best players? That makes it good for the club? Good for your pockets you mean. I bet we never see this reinvested in players. I feel totally conned out of my £750 for a season ticket, especially as Lallana is supposedly on his way today too. Can you get your money back on being mis-sold a season ticket? I am so angry right now...I just know we won't replace like with like and we'll be a laughing stock next season...then everyone else will want to leave as well. It's back to the Champ imo. Also, anyone else noticed the club has blocked tweets? I sent several voicing my displeasure and none have made it onto the website.[/p][/quote]Wished I could get my season ticket money back the money we pay we deserve better than this. Simmo13
  • Score: 2

5:54pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Simmo13 says...

Saintade wrote:
Don't believe a word this shambles Board tells you. " We won't sell any players until the manager is in"...well he's on holiday isn't he? "It's a good deal for the club". Is it? Break up the team and sell our best players? That makes it good for the club? Good for your pockets you mean. I bet we never see this reinvested in players. I feel totally conned out of my £750 for a season ticket, especially as Lallana is supposedly on his way today too. Can you get your money back on being mis-sold a season ticket? I am so angry right now...I just know we won't replace like with like and we'll be a laughing stock next season...then everyone else will want to leave as well. It's back to the Champ imo. Also, anyone else noticed the club has blocked tweets? I sent several voicing my displeasure and none have made it onto the website.
Wished I could get my season ticket money back the money we pay we deserve better than this.
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: Don't believe a word this shambles Board tells you. " We won't sell any players until the manager is in"...well he's on holiday isn't he? "It's a good deal for the club". Is it? Break up the team and sell our best players? That makes it good for the club? Good for your pockets you mean. I bet we never see this reinvested in players. I feel totally conned out of my £750 for a season ticket, especially as Lallana is supposedly on his way today too. Can you get your money back on being mis-sold a season ticket? I am so angry right now...I just know we won't replace like with like and we'll be a laughing stock next season...then everyone else will want to leave as well. It's back to the Champ imo. Also, anyone else noticed the club has blocked tweets? I sent several voicing my displeasure and none have made it onto the website.[/p][/quote]Wished I could get my season ticket money back the money we pay we deserve better than this. Simmo13
  • Score: 2

5:57pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Simmo13 says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Saintade wrote:
WinchesterBond wrote:
Decent transfer amount and hopefully the add on will bring in a little extra in years to come. I feel the lessons of past transfers of promising youngsters have been learned. Very pleased to note the intention to invest the funds to RK's wishes and hopefully the new acquisitions will help take us to the next level in what will be a very exciting season ahead. Nice comments recognising the efforts of the academy staff and hopefully a bit of a bonus coming their way! Best of luck to Luke after making his England debut, lucrative transfer and as he likes things to come in threes who knows what the DE will be reporting in their headline Ex-Saint Luke ................. .
Believe all that and you're a mug. Look at Saints over the years...you won't see more than 10% of that ploughed back into the club...straight into the director's and Katarina's pockets more like.
Why don't you just wait and see?
Wait and see for what we are losing half a team with the manager on holiday !!
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WinchesterBond[/bold] wrote: Decent transfer amount and hopefully the add on will bring in a little extra in years to come. I feel the lessons of past transfers of promising youngsters have been learned. Very pleased to note the intention to invest the funds to RK's wishes and hopefully the new acquisitions will help take us to the next level in what will be a very exciting season ahead. Nice comments recognising the efforts of the academy staff and hopefully a bit of a bonus coming their way! Best of luck to Luke after making his England debut, lucrative transfer and as he likes things to come in threes who knows what the DE will be reporting in their headline Ex-Saint Luke ................. .[/p][/quote]Believe all that and you're a mug. Look at Saints over the years...you won't see more than 10% of that ploughed back into the club...straight into the director's and Katarina's pockets more like.[/p][/quote]Why don't you just wait and see?[/p][/quote]Wait and see for what we are losing half a team with the manager on holiday !! Simmo13
  • Score: -1

5:57pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Simmo13 says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Saintade wrote:
WinchesterBond wrote:
Decent transfer amount and hopefully the add on will bring in a little extra in years to come. I feel the lessons of past transfers of promising youngsters have been learned. Very pleased to note the intention to invest the funds to RK's wishes and hopefully the new acquisitions will help take us to the next level in what will be a very exciting season ahead. Nice comments recognising the efforts of the academy staff and hopefully a bit of a bonus coming their way! Best of luck to Luke after making his England debut, lucrative transfer and as he likes things to come in threes who knows what the DE will be reporting in their headline Ex-Saint Luke ................. .
Believe all that and you're a mug. Look at Saints over the years...you won't see more than 10% of that ploughed back into the club...straight into the director's and Katarina's pockets more like.
Why don't you just wait and see?
Wait and see for what we are losing half a team with the manager on holiday !!
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WinchesterBond[/bold] wrote: Decent transfer amount and hopefully the add on will bring in a little extra in years to come. I feel the lessons of past transfers of promising youngsters have been learned. Very pleased to note the intention to invest the funds to RK's wishes and hopefully the new acquisitions will help take us to the next level in what will be a very exciting season ahead. Nice comments recognising the efforts of the academy staff and hopefully a bit of a bonus coming their way! Best of luck to Luke after making his England debut, lucrative transfer and as he likes things to come in threes who knows what the DE will be reporting in their headline Ex-Saint Luke ................. .[/p][/quote]Believe all that and you're a mug. Look at Saints over the years...you won't see more than 10% of that ploughed back into the club...straight into the director's and Katarina's pockets more like.[/p][/quote]Why don't you just wait and see?[/p][/quote]Wait and see for what we are losing half a team with the manager on holiday !! Simmo13
  • Score: -1

5:58pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Saintade says...

jls217 wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Steady now - Rambo has only just started work after his holiday - he's obviously okayed this with a plan in mind and the fee for this, and we still don't know how much because it's not been confirmed will be added to the war chest he was already promised (whatever that was because we've not had it confirmed). I am as annoyed as you are that Luke has **** on us in this way but he's gone for a goodly amount and all we can do is have faith in Rambo to spend wisely and frugally keeping a little in the kitty for emergencies at Xmas. What little time he's had to put into the club will have been spent getting Shaw and Lallana moved on (and maybe others too) Next week I think he will be looking to invest in the replacements for these two and a couple more to solidify the defence and a striker too. Let the dust settle and see. It's not a shame he couldn't stay longer it's a downright disgrace and that disgrace is all his the ungrateful little git.
He's still on holiday until next week...how could he have ok''d this? It was the board and this is now the third time they have lied to the supporters in as many weeks. I don't trust or believe their spin one iota.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Steady now - Rambo has only just started work after his holiday - he's obviously okayed this with a plan in mind and the fee for this, and we still don't know how much because it's not been confirmed will be added to the war chest he was already promised (whatever that was because we've not had it confirmed). I am as annoyed as you are that Luke has **** on us in this way but he's gone for a goodly amount and all we can do is have faith in Rambo to spend wisely and frugally keeping a little in the kitty for emergencies at Xmas. What little time he's had to put into the club will have been spent getting Shaw and Lallana moved on (and maybe others too) Next week I think he will be looking to invest in the replacements for these two and a couple more to solidify the defence and a striker too. Let the dust settle and see. It's not a shame he couldn't stay longer it's a downright disgrace and that disgrace is all his the ungrateful little git.[/p][/quote]He's still on holiday until next week...how could he have ok''d this? It was the board and this is now the third time they have lied to the supporters in as many weeks. I don't trust or believe their spin one iota. Saintade
  • Score: 5

6:01pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Saintade says...

saint dan wrote:
I think Lallana and Shaw have let us down badly. The first sign of success and they are off. Having said that, I dont think either one of them is half as good as they think they are. Both will be lucky to get 20 games next season so lets see what that does to their England chances. As long as we keep morg and j rod i'm. Lallana and Shaw have shown themselves to be no different to all the other money grabbing little sh1ts that play pro football. I'm the naive and stupid one for thinking that they were. I think like many, I will always wonder what could have happened to our beloved club had Nicola stayed. Also, did poch under perform with the array of talent that he had at his disposal??? I guess i'll never know
sorry mate but J Rod will not keep us in the Prem next season, we're going to have to do amazing deals to get better players than Shaw and Lallana in. I fear for us now.
[quote][p][bold]saint dan[/bold] wrote: I think Lallana and Shaw have let us down badly. The first sign of success and they are off. Having said that, I dont think either one of them is half as good as they think they are. Both will be lucky to get 20 games next season so lets see what that does to their England chances. As long as we keep morg and j rod i'm. Lallana and Shaw have shown themselves to be no different to all the other money grabbing little sh1ts that play pro football. I'm the naive and stupid one for thinking that they were. I think like many, I will always wonder what could have happened to our beloved club had Nicola stayed. Also, did poch under perform with the array of talent that he had at his disposal??? I guess i'll never know[/p][/quote]sorry mate but J Rod will not keep us in the Prem next season, we're going to have to do amazing deals to get better players than Shaw and Lallana in. I fear for us now. Saintade
  • Score: 9

6:14pm Fri 27 Jun 14

J7junctionseven says...

Lallana didn't score enough goals and is injury prone. Luke Shaw is a raw talent but his square head and limited ability to pick out a decent cross or even score one goal a season makes him a gamble for Manure. I know he's not the finished article yet but can't see him ever being as good as Bale or A.Cole.
Good deals for Saints really and hopefully we can get better players with the cash.
Only real bummer is bompey get a pay day out of the Lallana deal...:o(
Still £60M so far and counting.....bring on the new blood Saints!!
COYR FOADP
Lallana didn't score enough goals and is injury prone. Luke Shaw is a raw talent but his square head and limited ability to pick out a decent cross or even score one goal a season makes him a gamble for Manure. I know he's not the finished article yet but can't see him ever being as good as Bale or A.Cole. Good deals for Saints really and hopefully we can get better players with the cash. Only real bummer is bompey get a pay day out of the Lallana deal...:o( Still £60M so far and counting.....bring on the new blood Saints!! COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

6:24pm Fri 27 Jun 14

brighton saint says...

Plastic Saint wrote:
Saints have entered a new era When Cortese left I think it was obvious Mopo would go sooner rather than later, then you have Lallana, he has just had his best ever season and played at a world cup, he has given Saints good service and he is half way through his career so he deserves a decent move if he is offered one, Lambert gets his dream move, Shaw, say what you like but would you really turn down £160k per week? I fully expect Lovren & Gaston to follow as these were sold a vision by Cortese and are mercenary. Time now for Koeman and the board to build a new future with players loyal to them and the club not the old regime. As Saints fans we have seen the lows & I am confident that we are still on the up just with some new, maybe even better players. Keep the faith guys.
COYR
It never rains then it pours !!! This storm has been brewing since the last game of the season...it was always going to happen as 30 mill for an 18 year old defender who wants to leave is crazy money a club like ours would be silly to turn down. Luke has made it quite clear he doesn't want to play for us anymore...so what's the point in keeping an unhappy player...all that happens is he stays for a bit longer, demands a transfer and his value goes down...the vultures circle and come in with a reduced offer....sad but true...we were in the driving seat for once on this transfer and the board got as much as they could for him...the same goes for Adz transfer to LFC...we all knew he was saying goodbye to us at the last game of the season it was obvious...since then he has not conducted himself v.well.,..signing a LFC shirt was just disrespectful to our club and us fans.never mind the comment I hope so...what are the board supposed to do in these situations..get rid for best poss price IMO...it happens all the time nowadays...there are no one club players these days...we need to move on and invest in players who want to play for our beaut club...support ROKO and his decisions...support KL as without her and ML we would not be where we are today...let's not forget the huge investment already made in players and the new state of art training facility...the future is still bright...COYS
[quote][p][bold]Plastic Saint[/bold] wrote: Saints have entered a new era When Cortese left I think it was obvious Mopo would go sooner rather than later, then you have Lallana, he has just had his best ever season and played at a world cup, he has given Saints good service and he is half way through his career so he deserves a decent move if he is offered one, Lambert gets his dream move, Shaw, say what you like but would you really turn down £160k per week? I fully expect Lovren & Gaston to follow as these were sold a vision by Cortese and are mercenary. Time now for Koeman and the board to build a new future with players loyal to them and the club not the old regime. As Saints fans we have seen the lows & I am confident that we are still on the up just with some new, maybe even better players. Keep the faith guys. COYR[/p][/quote]It never rains then it pours !!! This storm has been brewing since the last game of the season...it was always going to happen as 30 mill for an 18 year old defender who wants to leave is crazy money a club like ours would be silly to turn down. Luke has made it quite clear he doesn't want to play for us anymore...so what's the point in keeping an unhappy player...all that happens is he stays for a bit longer, demands a transfer and his value goes down...the vultures circle and come in with a reduced offer....sad but true...we were in the driving seat for once on this transfer and the board got as much as they could for him...the same goes for Adz transfer to LFC...we all knew he was saying goodbye to us at the last game of the season it was obvious...since then he has not conducted himself v.well.,..signing a LFC shirt was just disrespectful to our club and us fans.never mind the comment I hope so...what are the board supposed to do in these situations..get rid for best poss price IMO...it happens all the time nowadays...there are no one club players these days...we need to move on and invest in players who want to play for our beaut club...support ROKO and his decisions...support KL as without her and ML we would not be where we are today...let's not forget the huge investment already made in players and the new state of art training facility...the future is still bright...COYS brighton saint
  • Score: 9

6:24pm Fri 27 Jun 14

durhamsaint87 says...

I can't come to wish Luke and Adam all the best because after signing long contracts they have just torn them up. How could they in the space of a few months renege on what was I'm certain a very generous deal. They might face us four times next season, but, will they be spending more time on the bench? Whatever happens they are now history and will not be remembered like Le-Tiss, Franny, Channon, Ball & Paine as well as all the others who played for the red & white shirt with real passion and above all commitment expressed by they loyalty. I'm sure we will get some fantastic players in who will match if not better those who have left. Now we know what's what lets see some real news headlines of players who want to play in a club who offers so much to youths and all those players and staff that give so much to our great club.
I can't come to wish Luke and Adam all the best because after signing long contracts they have just torn them up. How could they in the space of a few months renege on what was I'm certain a very generous deal. They might face us four times next season, but, will they be spending more time on the bench? Whatever happens they are now history and will not be remembered like Le-Tiss, Franny, Channon, Ball & Paine as well as all the others who played for the red & white shirt with real passion and above all commitment expressed by they loyalty. I'm sure we will get some fantastic players in who will match if not better those who have left. Now we know what's what lets see some real news headlines of players who want to play in a club who offers so much to youths and all those players and staff that give so much to our great club. durhamsaint87
  • Score: 4

6:25pm Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Saintade wrote:
Don't believe a word this shambles Board tells you. " We won't sell any players until the manager is in"...well he's on holiday isn't he? "It's a good deal for the club". Is it? Break up the team and sell our best players? That makes it good for the club? Good for your pockets you mean. I bet we never see this reinvested in players. I feel totally conned out of my £750 for a season ticket, especially as Lallana is supposedly on his way today too. Can you get your money back on being mis-sold a season ticket? I am so angry right now...I just know we won't replace like with like and we'll be a laughing stock next season...then everyone else will want to leave as well. It's back to the Champ imo. Also, anyone else noticed the club has blocked tweets? I sent several voicing my displeasure and none have made it onto the website.
Well mate if you don't want your ticket I know someone who can't afford to go anymore who would bite your hand off for it. Let me know and I will find a grateful home for it with someone who will appreciate watching Saints even if they were in the conference.
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: Don't believe a word this shambles Board tells you. " We won't sell any players until the manager is in"...well he's on holiday isn't he? "It's a good deal for the club". Is it? Break up the team and sell our best players? That makes it good for the club? Good for your pockets you mean. I bet we never see this reinvested in players. I feel totally conned out of my £750 for a season ticket, especially as Lallana is supposedly on his way today too. Can you get your money back on being mis-sold a season ticket? I am so angry right now...I just know we won't replace like with like and we'll be a laughing stock next season...then everyone else will want to leave as well. It's back to the Champ imo. Also, anyone else noticed the club has blocked tweets? I sent several voicing my displeasure and none have made it onto the website.[/p][/quote]Well mate if you don't want your ticket I know someone who can't afford to go anymore who would bite your hand off for it. Let me know and I will find a grateful home for it with someone who will appreciate watching Saints even if they were in the conference. jls217
  • Score: -13

6:31pm Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Just my opinion, but it looks like Ronko/Reed/Katharina are clearing out those that were more interested in playing for Cortese/Pochettino than the club.
If that is the case, then they have my full backing.

As long as the fees, received, are a p1ss take, and the money re-invested wisely, then I will still reserve judgement, until after the transfer window has "slammed" shut, at the end of August.
If it then goes mammaries up, then so be it.
My position exactly Costa.

I have one thing to add - it doesn't matter what happens and who does or does not do what - I am striped and my piles love being frozen off on a Jan afternoon watching those stripes do their best for me.

Next season - it's going to bordering on orgasmic!
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Just my opinion, but it looks like Ronko/Reed/Katharina are clearing out those that were more interested in playing for Cortese/Pochettino than the club. If that is the case, then they have my full backing. As long as the fees, received, are a p1ss take, and the money re-invested wisely, then I will still reserve judgement, until after the transfer window has "slammed" shut, at the end of August. If it then goes mammaries up, then so be it.[/p][/quote]My position exactly Costa. I have one thing to add - it doesn't matter what happens and who does or does not do what - I am striped and my piles love being frozen off on a Jan afternoon watching those stripes do their best for me. Next season - it's going to bordering on orgasmic! jls217
  • Score: -17

6:35pm Fri 27 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Lallana didn't score enough goals and is injury prone. Luke Shaw is a raw talent but his square head and limited ability to pick out a decent cross or even score one goal a season makes him a gamble for Manure. I know he's not the finished article yet but can't see him ever being as good as Bale or A.Cole.
Good deals for Saints really and hopefully we can get better players with the cash.
Only real bummer is bompey get a pay day out of the Lallana deal...:o(
Still £60M so far and counting.....bring on the new blood Saints!!
COYR FOADP
You have hit the nail on the head regarding Shaw and Lallana, no use trying to keep players who want out, take the money and buy some new talent COYR.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Lallana didn't score enough goals and is injury prone. Luke Shaw is a raw talent but his square head and limited ability to pick out a decent cross or even score one goal a season makes him a gamble for Manure. I know he's not the finished article yet but can't see him ever being as good as Bale or A.Cole. Good deals for Saints really and hopefully we can get better players with the cash. Only real bummer is bompey get a pay day out of the Lallana deal...:o( Still £60M so far and counting.....bring on the new blood Saints!! COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]You have hit the nail on the head regarding Shaw and Lallana, no use trying to keep players who want out, take the money and buy some new talent COYR. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 4

6:36pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Forest Saint says...

Chapperall wrote:
This is all becoming quite unerving for us season ticket holders. How about somr news on players coming in instead of leaving! It's beginning to feel a bit like a fire sale! I am ok with Ricky and Shaw going but I think that's enough. Lallana should not be sold
He's already gone pal
[quote][p][bold]Chapperall[/bold] wrote: This is all becoming quite unerving for us season ticket holders. How about somr news on players coming in instead of leaving! It's beginning to feel a bit like a fire sale! I am ok with Ricky and Shaw going but I think that's enough. Lallana should not be sold[/p][/quote]He's already gone pal Forest Saint
  • Score: 12

6:36pm Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Saintade wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Steady now - Rambo has only just started work after his holiday - he's obviously okayed this with a plan in mind and the fee for this, and we still don't know how much because it's not been confirmed will be added to the war chest he was already promised (whatever that was because we've not had it confirmed). I am as annoyed as you are that Luke has **** on us in this way but he's gone for a goodly amount and all we can do is have faith in Rambo to spend wisely and frugally keeping a little in the kitty for emergencies at Xmas. What little time he's had to put into the club will have been spent getting Shaw and Lallana moved on (and maybe others too) Next week I think he will be looking to invest in the replacements for these two and a couple more to solidify the defence and a striker too. Let the dust settle and see. It's not a shame he couldn't stay longer it's a downright disgrace and that disgrace is all his the ungrateful little git.
He's still on holiday until next week...how could he have ok''d this? It was the board and this is now the third time they have lied to the supporters in as many weeks. I don't trust or believe their spin one iota.
Phone/text/tweet/e-m
ail/carrier pigeon/pony express - the same way you keep in contact maybe. I would guess and it can only be that that he has told Reed if they don't want to play for Southampton dump 'em for whatever you can get. Rambo is not a man who minces his words and won't put up with bullschitten from primadonna footballers. Good riddance to the pair of them especially Lallana - some ferucking club captain he's been since the end of the season eh!?
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Steady now - Rambo has only just started work after his holiday - he's obviously okayed this with a plan in mind and the fee for this, and we still don't know how much because it's not been confirmed will be added to the war chest he was already promised (whatever that was because we've not had it confirmed). I am as annoyed as you are that Luke has **** on us in this way but he's gone for a goodly amount and all we can do is have faith in Rambo to spend wisely and frugally keeping a little in the kitty for emergencies at Xmas. What little time he's had to put into the club will have been spent getting Shaw and Lallana moved on (and maybe others too) Next week I think he will be looking to invest in the replacements for these two and a couple more to solidify the defence and a striker too. Let the dust settle and see. It's not a shame he couldn't stay longer it's a downright disgrace and that disgrace is all his the ungrateful little git.[/p][/quote]He's still on holiday until next week...how could he have ok''d this? It was the board and this is now the third time they have lied to the supporters in as many weeks. I don't trust or believe their spin one iota.[/p][/quote]Phone/text/tweet/e-m ail/carrier pigeon/pony express - the same way you keep in contact maybe. I would guess and it can only be that that he has told Reed if they don't want to play for Southampton dump 'em for whatever you can get. Rambo is not a man who minces his words and won't put up with bullschitten from primadonna footballers. Good riddance to the pair of them especially Lallana - some ferucking club captain he's been since the end of the season eh!? jls217
  • Score: -13

6:40pm Fri 27 Jun 14

J7junctionseven says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Lallana didn't score enough goals and is injury prone. Luke Shaw is a raw talent but his square head and limited ability to pick out a decent cross or even score one goal a season makes him a gamble for Manure. I know he's not the finished article yet but can't see him ever being as good as Bale or A.Cole.
Good deals for Saints really and hopefully we can get better players with the cash.
Only real bummer is bompey get a pay day out of the Lallana deal...:o(
Still £60M so far and counting.....bring on the new blood Saints!!
COYR FOADP
You have hit the nail on the head regarding Shaw and Lallana, no use trying to keep players who want out, take the money and buy some new talent COYR.
F'ck them and forget about them. They aren't worth half of what we're getting for them so happy days.
Can't wait to take the p!ss out of the pair of them next season when they are sat on the bench at two of the most disliked clubs in the PL.
COYR FOADP
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Lallana didn't score enough goals and is injury prone. Luke Shaw is a raw talent but his square head and limited ability to pick out a decent cross or even score one goal a season makes him a gamble for Manure. I know he's not the finished article yet but can't see him ever being as good as Bale or A.Cole. Good deals for Saints really and hopefully we can get better players with the cash. Only real bummer is bompey get a pay day out of the Lallana deal...:o( Still £60M so far and counting.....bring on the new blood Saints!! COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]You have hit the nail on the head regarding Shaw and Lallana, no use trying to keep players who want out, take the money and buy some new talent COYR.[/p][/quote]F'ck them and forget about them. They aren't worth half of what we're getting for them so happy days. Can't wait to take the p!ss out of the pair of them next season when they are sat on the bench at two of the most disliked clubs in the PL. COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 2

6:43pm Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?
I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far.
And it ain't over yet......
Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!!
For the same reason you spout negative blx - We just can't help ourselves.

Next season is going to be the best one ever!

Now if you can't believe that best get your miserable risshole to Farton krap where they really have something to be miserable about - I don't predict that however as you're the sort of person who wants to sit in his own **** and then whine about the smell.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?[/p][/quote]I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far. And it ain't over yet......[/p][/quote]Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!![/p][/quote]For the same reason you spout negative blx - We just can't help ourselves. Next season is going to be the best one ever! Now if you can't believe that best get your miserable risshole to Farton krap where they really have something to be miserable about - I don't predict that however as you're the sort of person who wants to sit in his own **** and then whine about the smell. jls217
  • Score: -17

6:55pm Fri 27 Jun 14

chapellady says...

Dan Howard wrote:
Don't see the issue here. We raided Bristol Rovers for Rickie, Burnley for J Rod, Lyon for Dejan and Chelsea's development centre in Guildford for Luke.

There's always a bigger fish.

It's naive to pretend that a club with less than £100m turnover like Saints is going to resist Man U with a turnover north of £500m.

The good news us that we can and will re-invest the money......that would have been the deal with RoKo before he joined.

He would have said " clear them all out, give me the money to reinvest and let's start again" .

Remember what it was like 5 years ago.

If anyone had said then, in 5 years time, we will be upper mid table, entering our third premiership year, having just hired Ronald Koeman, having just sold 3 top players and about to sell a top defender, having pocketed upwards of £50m plus another £15 m plus to come for Dejan the defender, just about to buy Timothee Kolo, Jon-Paul Boetius, Tadic, Marshall, Huntelaar, Virgil van Dijk and Joel Campbell we'd have said which planet are you from?

It's called Planet Southampton FC.

We live there.

Others would sell their mother to to buy a ticket to join us.
Spot on.
I got my first Season ticket the year we were relegated to the Championship, having never been able to afford one before. It hurt. Saw some dire performances under Portaloo and along with approx 14000 fans continued to support the team through administration in the depths of league one. It hurt. Then we turned a corner. Now we are the envy of the Premier League with our successful academy. Man u and Liverpool are paying crazy money for our players and we have more to come. Young boys will want to come to SFC as they want to be the next Bale, Walcott, Oxlade-chamberlain, Shaw, Lallana and so on. We raided Bristol Rovers for RL after all, and with the money RK has to invest I'm positive great players will choose us over all the teams that finished below us last season, even those above us, and they will be turned into better players as they help us to the CL. Yes it hurts when our players move on but in all walks of life this happens. Who would begrudge a 19 year old £100,000 per week? We are showing the FA how a club should be run and our fans aren't plastic glory hunters and of that I am very proud.
[quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: Don't see the issue here. We raided Bristol Rovers for Rickie, Burnley for J Rod, Lyon for Dejan and Chelsea's development centre in Guildford for Luke. There's always a bigger fish. It's naive to pretend that a club with less than £100m turnover like Saints is going to resist Man U with a turnover north of £500m. The good news us that we can and will re-invest the money......that would have been the deal with RoKo before he joined. He would have said " clear them all out, give me the money to reinvest and let's start again" . Remember what it was like 5 years ago. If anyone had said then, in 5 years time, we will be upper mid table, entering our third premiership year, having just hired Ronald Koeman, having just sold 3 top players and about to sell a top defender, having pocketed upwards of £50m plus another £15 m plus to come for Dejan the defender, just about to buy Timothee Kolo, Jon-Paul Boetius, Tadic, Marshall, Huntelaar, Virgil van Dijk and Joel Campbell we'd have said which planet are you from? It's called Planet Southampton FC. We live there. Others would sell their mother to to buy a ticket to join us.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I got my first Season ticket the year we were relegated to the Championship, having never been able to afford one before. It hurt. Saw some dire performances under Portaloo and along with approx 14000 fans continued to support the team through administration in the depths of league one. It hurt. Then we turned a corner. Now we are the envy of the Premier League with our successful academy. Man u and Liverpool are paying crazy money for our players and we have more to come. Young boys will want to come to SFC as they want to be the next Bale, Walcott, Oxlade-chamberlain, Shaw, Lallana and so on. We raided Bristol Rovers for RL after all, and with the money RK has to invest I'm positive great players will choose us over all the teams that finished below us last season, even those above us, and they will be turned into better players as they help us to the CL. Yes it hurts when our players move on but in all walks of life this happens. Who would begrudge a 19 year old £100,000 per week? We are showing the FA how a club should be run and our fans aren't plastic glory hunters and of that I am very proud. chapellady
  • Score: 5

6:58pm Fri 27 Jun 14

redandy10 says...

jls217 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?
I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far.
And it ain't over yet......
Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!!
For the same reason you spout negative blx - We just can't help ourselves.

Next season is going to be the best one ever!

Now if you can't believe that best get your miserable risshole to Farton krap where they really have something to be miserable about - I don't predict that however as you're the sort of person who wants to sit in his own **** and then whine about the smell.
You got it badly wrong and you feel quite foolish, hence the angry tone of your post. Don't sweat it. I'm sure the embarrassment will subside with time. Naming yourself after a boy band is TOTALLY COOL though. Maybe you could correctly predict the next One Direction chart topper. That could win you some real kudos with the teenyboppers who post on here!!!
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?[/p][/quote]I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far. And it ain't over yet......[/p][/quote]Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!![/p][/quote]For the same reason you spout negative blx - We just can't help ourselves. Next season is going to be the best one ever! Now if you can't believe that best get your miserable risshole to Farton krap where they really have something to be miserable about - I don't predict that however as you're the sort of person who wants to sit in his own **** and then whine about the smell.[/p][/quote]You got it badly wrong and you feel quite foolish, hence the angry tone of your post. Don't sweat it. I'm sure the embarrassment will subside with time. Naming yourself after a boy band is TOTALLY COOL though. Maybe you could correctly predict the next One Direction chart topper. That could win you some real kudos with the teenyboppers who post on here!!! redandy10
  • Score: 12

7:17pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Littleton-Saint says...

Halo Saint wrote:
Enjoy the view from the bench Luke !! Could have stayed another season BUT money talks.I dont think Utd will ever be what they were under SAF whereas im sure SAINTS will become better and stronger.Look forward to seeing UTD & SPURS finishing below us next season.Oh & you might get that threesoome now as footballers are highly sought by trashy women up there !!

COYS
Right on!
[quote][p][bold]Halo Saint[/bold] wrote: Enjoy the view from the bench Luke !! Could have stayed another season BUT money talks.I dont think Utd will ever be what they were under SAF whereas im sure SAINTS will become better and stronger.Look forward to seeing UTD & SPURS finishing below us next season.Oh & you might get that threesoome now as footballers are highly sought by trashy women up there !! COYS[/p][/quote]Right on! Littleton-Saint
  • Score: -1

7:20pm Fri 27 Jun 14

saint serpico says...

Does Luke like a prawn sandwich tho?
Up the saints cash in the bank!
RK will get us some top players.
SCUM ARMY!!!!
Does Luke like a prawn sandwich tho? Up the saints cash in the bank! RK will get us some top players. SCUM ARMY!!!! saint serpico
  • Score: 1

7:24pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Rich'SFC'Parsons says...

All I can say is I hope SFC have a decent sell on clause 20% ish ,but history tells me otherwise .
Now let's bring through the next youngsters.
COYR
All I can say is I hope SFC have a decent sell on clause 20% ish ,but history tells me otherwise . Now let's bring through the next youngsters. COYR Rich'SFC'Parsons
  • Score: 4

7:25pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Dan Howard says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Wembley76 wrote:
Dan Howard wrote:
Don't see the issue here. We raided Bristol Rovers for Rickie, Burnley for J Rod, Lyon for Dejan and Chelsea's development centre in Guildford for Luke.

There's always a bigger fish.

It's naive to pretend that a club with less than £100m turnover like Saints is going to resist Man U with a turnover north of £500m.

The good news us that we can and will re-invest the money......that would have been the deal with RoKo before he joined.

He would have said " clear them all out, give me the money to reinvest and let's start again" .

Remember what it was like 5 years ago.

If anyone had said then, in 5 years time, we will be upper mid table, entering our third premiership year, having just hired Ronald Koeman, having just sold 3 top players and about to sell a top defender, having pocketed upwards of £50m plus another £15 m plus to come for Dejan the defender, just about to buy Timothee Kolo, Jon-Paul Boetius, Tadic, Marshall, Huntelaar, Virgil van Dijk and Joel Campbell we'd have said which planet are you from?

It's called Planet Southampton FC.

We live there.

Others would sell their mother to to buy a ticket to join us.
Well said...let's have a bit of reaity here....this is excellent money for a 'high potential' 18 year old left back....and gives us a real chance to strengthen the team...good business...we will miss Luke, but we could really benefit from strengthening CB / GK and replacing him......We are not a 'selling club' anymore than every other club in the world apart from very small handful of elite...Let's stop berating the board and get behind them, the manager and the players who are staying...
Every player in the world has a price which cannot be turned down. If we find a full back who can add more than one assist and maybe even get a goal then his stats will be better than Luke's. It's not Saints who are the mugs it's Manure. They now have two players on their books who are costing them £400k per week. That's more than the entire wage bill of some prem league clubs. Likewise with Adam. It's a shame that bmuff get some of the cash but he ain't worth £25 million. Looking forward to the improvements in the squad this cash will bring. We now have a transfer kitty which will turn many prem clubs green with envy. Priorities are one or even two strikers ,a central defender, new LB, and a playmaker to replace ( But better than) Adam
Well said.......there's alwAys a bigger fish...... We are getting bigger......when Katherina eventually sells to a benign consortium from Gwang Xi or the like.......or maybe the US given the revived interest , then our fish stock will be higher than Spurs, Everton or even Man City when the Sheik gets bored.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wembley76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: Don't see the issue here. We raided Bristol Rovers for Rickie, Burnley for J Rod, Lyon for Dejan and Chelsea's development centre in Guildford for Luke. There's always a bigger fish. It's naive to pretend that a club with less than £100m turnover like Saints is going to resist Man U with a turnover north of £500m. The good news us that we can and will re-invest the money......that would have been the deal with RoKo before he joined. He would have said " clear them all out, give me the money to reinvest and let's start again" . Remember what it was like 5 years ago. If anyone had said then, in 5 years time, we will be upper mid table, entering our third premiership year, having just hired Ronald Koeman, having just sold 3 top players and about to sell a top defender, having pocketed upwards of £50m plus another £15 m plus to come for Dejan the defender, just about to buy Timothee Kolo, Jon-Paul Boetius, Tadic, Marshall, Huntelaar, Virgil van Dijk and Joel Campbell we'd have said which planet are you from? It's called Planet Southampton FC. We live there. Others would sell their mother to to buy a ticket to join us.[/p][/quote]Well said...let's have a bit of reaity here....this is excellent money for a 'high potential' 18 year old left back....and gives us a real chance to strengthen the team...good business...we will miss Luke, but we could really benefit from strengthening CB / GK and replacing him......We are not a 'selling club' anymore than every other club in the world apart from very small handful of elite...Let's stop berating the board and get behind them, the manager and the players who are staying...[/p][/quote]Every player in the world has a price which cannot be turned down. If we find a full back who can add more than one assist and maybe even get a goal then his stats will be better than Luke's. It's not Saints who are the mugs it's Manure. They now have two players on their books who are costing them £400k per week. That's more than the entire wage bill of some prem league clubs. Likewise with Adam. It's a shame that bmuff get some of the cash but he ain't worth £25 million. Looking forward to the improvements in the squad this cash will bring. We now have a transfer kitty which will turn many prem clubs green with envy. Priorities are one or even two strikers ,a central defender, new LB, and a playmaker to replace ( But better than) Adam[/p][/quote]Well said.......there's alwAys a bigger fish...... We are getting bigger......when Katherina eventually sells to a benign consortium from Gwang Xi or the like.......or maybe the US given the revived interest , then our fish stock will be higher than Spurs, Everton or even Man City when the Sheik gets bored. Dan Howard
  • Score: -6

7:27pm Fri 27 Jun 14

M.U.CS1 says...

Are you lot really that stupid to think your owners are going to reinvest all of the money they make on the sale of your players by buying better players. Trust me they know exactly what they are doing, making money for themselves, Southampton are just a small club with a good feeder academy for the top sides. What top players do you really think want to sign for Southampton, answer equals nobody, get real you are just a selling club !
Are you lot really that stupid to think your owners are going to reinvest all of the money they make on the sale of your players by buying better players. Trust me they know exactly what they are doing, making money for themselves, Southampton are just a small club with a good feeder academy for the top sides. What top players do you really think want to sign for Southampton, answer equals nobody, get real you are just a selling club ! M.U.CS1
  • Score: -4

7:36pm Fri 27 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert? really, I think your getting the `Italian` pelle mixed up with the Brazilian Pele. if you cant distinguish between the 2 (and I did explain this to you wrote the same rubbish) Pelle is a 28yr old (hardly past it) Italian player who played for our new manager last season at Feyenoord in Holland and scored a hatful of goals. Pele is a 73yr old Brazilian droopy d1ck tablet salesman and former international, he is probably the greatest player ever, I guess that's what you mean by has been.
right do you know the difference now?
yes we have new lighting you've mentioned it a few times now so I think you can drop it.
you would have given luke £100k a week? that's £26mill over a 5yr contract, where would you have got that money from? remember if you pay luke all that money you wont be able to pay other players that much so the rest of the squad would be either smaller or not so good. playing at being the owner and guessing how much you can pay who and when is a wonderful idea but in reality things don't work as perfectly as you want!
"We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings" oh dear oh dear. how much do you think MP knew about our players or the English game? probably les the Koeman, but he did ok didn't he? why are people insisting we buy ings? is it just because he is a local lad? so is that what you want then, just a team full of local lads, doesn't mater how good they are as long as they are local, and young! that will make for an interesting line up. luke came from Kingston upon Thames that's around 70 miles away, is that too far to be local?

I know your upset that luke/lalla have gone, I think most of us are. however why not do a little research before you post the same comment twice, especially people have shown you where you went wrong first time!
[quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert? really, I think your getting the `Italian` pelle mixed up with the Brazilian Pele. if you cant distinguish between the 2 (and I did explain this to you wrote the same rubbish) Pelle is a 28yr old (hardly past it) Italian player who played for our new manager last season at Feyenoord in Holland and scored a hatful of goals. Pele is a 73yr old Brazilian droopy d1ck tablet salesman and former international, he is probably the greatest player ever, I guess that's what you mean by has been. right do you know the difference now? yes we have new lighting you've mentioned it a few times now so I think you can drop it. you would have given luke £100k a week? that's £26mill over a 5yr contract, where would you have got that money from? remember if you pay luke all that money you wont be able to pay other players that much so the rest of the squad would be either smaller or not so good. playing at being the owner and guessing how much you can pay who and when is a wonderful idea but in reality things don't work as perfectly as you want! "We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings" oh dear oh dear. how much do you think MP knew about our players or the English game? probably les the Koeman, but he did ok didn't he? why are people insisting we buy ings? is it just because he is a local lad? so is that what you want then, just a team full of local lads, doesn't mater how good they are as long as they are local, and young! that will make for an interesting line up. luke came from Kingston upon Thames that's around 70 miles away, is that too far to be local? I know your upset that luke/lalla have gone, I think most of us are. however why not do a little research before you post the same comment twice, especially people have shown you where you went wrong first time! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 2

7:39pm Fri 27 Jun 14

F Fan says...

No problem with Lambert going and not too fussed over Lallana – given his age and desire to play CL football – he has been a good servant and the best of luck to him. But I was and remain totally against selling Shaw – I think the Board got it wrong. There was no need to sell Shaw – he was only a year into a five year contract. He couldn’t afford to sulk if the Board refused to sell. We don’t need the money. The team only needed an additional 3 or 4 players to challenge for a top six spot and surely the additional TV money would cover that cost.

And who on earth thought up the text “This deal is a good one for Southampton Football Club, and hopefully sends a clear message to other clubs wishing to bid for our players” ? The message would appear to be pay enough and we will sell. That is not what the Board have been saying over the summer. How is this move in the best interests of the club? I can’t see how it can be, except, I suppose, if they intend to totally change the team and need more funds. That would be a high risk strategy. I agree that we will have to wait until the end of the window and the dust settles to make a proper assessment but I do not hold out great hope.

And what about the message being sent to existing players and those we want to buy? I can’t see that it will do anything other than unsettle the former and put off the latter.
No problem with Lambert going and not too fussed over Lallana – given his age and desire to play CL football – he has been a good servant and the best of luck to him. But I was and remain totally against selling Shaw – I think the Board got it wrong. There was no need to sell Shaw – he was only a year into a five year contract. He couldn’t afford to sulk if the Board refused to sell. We don’t need the money. The team only needed an additional 3 or 4 players to challenge for a top six spot and surely the additional TV money would cover that cost. And who on earth thought up the text “This deal is a good one for Southampton Football Club, and hopefully sends a clear message to other clubs wishing to bid for our players” ? The message would appear to be pay enough and we will sell. That is not what the Board have been saying over the summer. How is this move in the best interests of the club? I can’t see how it can be, except, I suppose, if they intend to totally change the team and need more funds. That would be a high risk strategy. I agree that we will have to wait until the end of the window and the dust settles to make a proper assessment but I do not hold out great hope. And what about the message being sent to existing players and those we want to buy? I can’t see that it will do anything other than unsettle the former and put off the latter. F Fan
  • Score: 3

7:39pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Clever Dick says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Are you lot really that stupid to think your owners are going to reinvest all of the money they make on the sale of your players by buying better players. Trust me they know exactly what they are doing, making money for themselves, Southampton are just a small club with a good feeder academy for the top sides. What top players do you really think want to sign for Southampton, answer equals nobody, get real you are just a selling club !
Cristiano Ronaldo. There is a pecking order and you are well off the top.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Are you lot really that stupid to think your owners are going to reinvest all of the money they make on the sale of your players by buying better players. Trust me they know exactly what they are doing, making money for themselves, Southampton are just a small club with a good feeder academy for the top sides. What top players do you really think want to sign for Southampton, answer equals nobody, get real you are just a selling club ![/p][/quote]Cristiano Ronaldo. There is a pecking order and you are well off the top. Clever Dick
  • Score: 3

7:49pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

A good bit of a Dell Boy Deal for Saints when is that other dreamer off to Scouse then!
A good bit of a Dell Boy Deal for Saints when is that other dreamer off to Scouse then! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 0

7:51pm Fri 27 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?
I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far.
And it ain't over yet......
Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!!
The difference here is that we were sad to get it wrong, you are enjoying every moment of getting right, but is that a good way to support your club? I think not.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?[/p][/quote]I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far. And it ain't over yet......[/p][/quote]Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!![/p][/quote]The difference here is that we were sad to get it wrong, you are enjoying every moment of getting right, but is that a good way to support your club? I think not. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

7:59pm Fri 27 Jun 14

shesaint says...

Forest Saint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?
Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money!
Shaw not putting in a transfer request doesn't mean he intended to stay. He NEVER once said he wanted to stay, and that's all it would have taken. He didn't hang around for the planned meeting with RoKo next week to discuss remaining here, he stated in a interview this week that he didn't necessarily need Champions League football, which he won't get with Man U this season, and he immediately changed his Twitter status to ManU player. Let's get real here. He wasn't forced into a move, and the Board did the best they could in the situation.

Poch went for more money too, not for more ambition. We only ended up one place higher in his first season than we were when he came. We may well have done just as "well" with Adkins. Don't forget that Poch said he had been watching Saints for a while, showing that he had been colluding with Cortese for sometime. No doubt he was doing the same with Spurs.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?[/p][/quote]Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money![/p][/quote]Shaw not putting in a transfer request doesn't mean he intended to stay. He NEVER once said he wanted to stay, and that's all it would have taken. He didn't hang around for the planned meeting with RoKo next week to discuss remaining here, he stated in a interview this week that he didn't necessarily need Champions League football, which he won't get with Man U this season, and he immediately changed his Twitter status to ManU player. Let's get real here. He wasn't forced into a move, and the Board did the best they could in the situation. Poch went for more money too, not for more ambition. We only ended up one place higher in his first season than we were when he came. We may well have done just as "well" with Adkins. Don't forget that Poch said he had been watching Saints for a while, showing that he had been colluding with Cortese for sometime. No doubt he was doing the same with Spurs. shesaint
  • Score: -1

8:02pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

milton road wrote:
Logic is rarely used in football.
We lost NC, then Poch ad then the talismen RL went to Liverpool mainly I think to entice Lallana to go. Shaw went,
Why simply because when NC left he started the domino rolling and the whole concept of the clu being all for one and one for all changed to every man for himself.
RL will be brought out as an occasional bit part player in the swan song time of his career. Ye and the belief is Lallana cannot play 90 mins he was after all Saints most subbed player last season. Shaw is a great young full back ther is no doubt wehther he will fulfill his potential as Bale did only time will tell.
Adam is coming up to 27 he probably felt he could not wait any longer to get the move for CL football.
How many more go who knows
Yet the honesty of it is that Koeman will build his own team and have to build that same spirit no easy job.
Yet Lallana may have been almost a god at Saints but he comes way down the list of european talented midfielders and nowhere on the world scale probably of 100.
If Ramirez stays and is consistent he is potentially a better midfielder. Losing players we love is a blow but then, there is the opportunity for as good or better to come in. W"e have to hope that is the case, but no club can now gaurantee holding a player. All the big clubs have had to seel players they wanted to keep.
No one will argue that Lallana had an indifferent first prem season though this one was sublime and i doubt few reckon he will not spend a lot of bench time at Liverpool. maybe it will bring him down to earth a little. 52million up front for Shaw and Lallana is not bad business, with add ons o follow. ano9ther 30 million given by club for transfers gives a very strong squad building sum and used croeectly can increase our depth greatly. Players weill take time to settle and we will have to regroup-. Yet we do have a strong manager with experience who for the first time has a transfer budget to build a team. Let us see what happens.
Spot on MR. Like Alicesdad, I don't know what's going on but I do know that there's just as much chance of this whole situation evolving into something really special as there is of it going totally t!ts up.

I for one am taking your sound advice - I'll wait and see what happens.
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Logic is rarely used in football. We lost NC, then Poch ad then the talismen RL went to Liverpool mainly I think to entice Lallana to go. Shaw went, Why simply because when NC left he started the domino rolling and the whole concept of the clu being all for one and one for all changed to every man for himself. RL will be brought out as an occasional bit part player in the swan song time of his career. Ye and the belief is Lallana cannot play 90 mins he was after all Saints most subbed player last season. Shaw is a great young full back ther is no doubt wehther he will fulfill his potential as Bale did only time will tell. Adam is coming up to 27 he probably felt he could not wait any longer to get the move for CL football. How many more go who knows Yet the honesty of it is that Koeman will build his own team and have to build that same spirit no easy job. Yet Lallana may have been almost a god at Saints but he comes way down the list of european talented midfielders and nowhere on the world scale probably of 100. If Ramirez stays and is consistent he is potentially a better midfielder. Losing players we love is a blow but then, there is the opportunity for as good or better to come in. W"e have to hope that is the case, but no club can now gaurantee holding a player. All the big clubs have had to seel players they wanted to keep. No one will argue that Lallana had an indifferent first prem season though this one was sublime and i doubt few reckon he will not spend a lot of bench time at Liverpool. maybe it will bring him down to earth a little. 52million up front for Shaw and Lallana is not bad business, with add ons o follow. ano9ther 30 million given by club for transfers gives a very strong squad building sum and used croeectly can increase our depth greatly. Players weill take time to settle and we will have to regroup-. Yet we do have a strong manager with experience who for the first time has a transfer budget to build a team. Let us see what happens.[/p][/quote]Spot on MR. Like Alicesdad, I don't know what's going on but I do know that there's just as much chance of this whole situation evolving into something really special as there is of it going totally t!ts up. I for one am taking your sound advice - I'll wait and see what happens. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: -2

8:17pm Fri 27 Jun 14

get Kat L out says...

Everton 72 points
Saints 56 points
Stoke 50 points
Newcastle 49 points

Where is the mass exodus from those clubs??

This ownership seems to have turned poisonous now.....every word I hear from the club is disguise for, we're gonna claw back as much money as we can from the assets, tuck it away in our pockets and leave the rest where it was a couple of years ago.
I'll be so pleased to be proved wrong.
Saints fans you can forget the next level and start looking at how long it is before we are back in league 1...
Everton 72 points Saints 56 points Stoke 50 points Newcastle 49 points Where is the mass exodus from those clubs?? This ownership seems to have turned poisonous now.....every word I hear from the club is disguise for, we're gonna claw back as much money as we can from the assets, tuck it away in our pockets and leave the rest where it was a couple of years ago. I'll be so pleased to be proved wrong. Saints fans you can forget the next level and start looking at how long it is before we are back in league 1... get Kat L out
  • Score: 1

8:23pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Stnana says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?
I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far.
And it ain't over yet......
Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!!
The difference here is that we were sad to get it wrong, you are enjoying every moment of getting right, but is that a good way to support your club? I think not.
Hi Osprey, just in case you hadn't heard Billy Sharp tweeted today that when he comes back to Southampton on Tuesday he won't know anyone ! Looks like the striker problem is solved !
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?[/p][/quote]I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far. And it ain't over yet......[/p][/quote]Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!![/p][/quote]The difference here is that we were sad to get it wrong, you are enjoying every moment of getting right, but is that a good way to support your club? I think not.[/p][/quote]Hi Osprey, just in case you hadn't heard Billy Sharp tweeted today that when he comes back to Southampton on Tuesday he won't know anyone ! Looks like the striker problem is solved ! Stnana
  • Score: 2

8:24pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Costa Baz says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Are you lot really that stupid to think your owners are going to reinvest all of the money they make on the sale of your players by buying better players. Trust me they know exactly what they are doing, making money for themselves, Southampton are just a small club with a good feeder academy for the top sides. What top players do you really think want to sign for Southampton, answer equals nobody, get real you are just a selling club !
Oh look, we've attracted another c unt.
That's nice.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Are you lot really that stupid to think your owners are going to reinvest all of the money they make on the sale of your players by buying better players. Trust me they know exactly what they are doing, making money for themselves, Southampton are just a small club with a good feeder academy for the top sides. What top players do you really think want to sign for Southampton, answer equals nobody, get real you are just a selling club ![/p][/quote]Oh look, we've attracted another c unt. That's nice. Costa Baz
  • Score: 3

8:29pm Fri 27 Jun 14

sisaydo1 says...

Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Very well said and THANK YOU! all the minus brigade will have you for it but they need to smell the coffee and lose the rose tinted glasses.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Very well said and THANK YOU! all the minus brigade will have you for it but they need to smell the coffee and lose the rose tinted glasses. sisaydo1
  • Score: 1

8:31pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Chapperall says...

I just want to hear some good news from Saints. Surely the board must understand how this looks to the supporters! At this rate most of our first team will be gone and you have only got to look at what happened at Sunderland last season when most of the players were changed out with crap replacements. Last season was a joy to be a Saints supporter god knows what we will be supporting next season. It would be so bad if we sell Lallana to Liverpool that we get Borini as part of the deal a proven goal scorer in the PL.
Please Saints stop this constant run of depressing news that the supporters can start feeling good about.
I just want to hear some good news from Saints. Surely the board must understand how this looks to the supporters! At this rate most of our first team will be gone and you have only got to look at what happened at Sunderland last season when most of the players were changed out with crap replacements. Last season was a joy to be a Saints supporter god knows what we will be supporting next season. It would be so bad if we sell Lallana to Liverpool that we get Borini as part of the deal a proven goal scorer in the PL. Please Saints stop this constant run of depressing news that the supporters can start feeling good about. Chapperall
  • Score: 4

8:41pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

shesaint wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?
Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money!
Shaw not putting in a transfer request doesn't mean he intended to stay. He NEVER once said he wanted to stay, and that's all it would have taken. He didn't hang around for the planned meeting with RoKo next week to discuss remaining here, he stated in a interview this week that he didn't necessarily need Champions League football, which he won't get with Man U this season, and he immediately changed his Twitter status to ManU player. Let's get real here. He wasn't forced into a move, and the Board did the best they could in the situation.

Poch went for more money too, not for more ambition. We only ended up one place higher in his first season than we were when he came. We may well have done just as "well" with Adkins. Don't forget that Poch said he had been watching Saints for a while, showing that he had been colluding with Cortese for sometime. No doubt he was doing the same with Spurs.
That's one view. Another is that Poch left, despite an offer of £6m a year, because he had principles and wasn't prepared to tolerate the club's U turn on the vision he had been sold, a lack of ambition - 'no new project' as he put it.
[quote][p][bold]shesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?[/p][/quote]Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money![/p][/quote]Shaw not putting in a transfer request doesn't mean he intended to stay. He NEVER once said he wanted to stay, and that's all it would have taken. He didn't hang around for the planned meeting with RoKo next week to discuss remaining here, he stated in a interview this week that he didn't necessarily need Champions League football, which he won't get with Man U this season, and he immediately changed his Twitter status to ManU player. Let's get real here. He wasn't forced into a move, and the Board did the best they could in the situation. Poch went for more money too, not for more ambition. We only ended up one place higher in his first season than we were when he came. We may well have done just as "well" with Adkins. Don't forget that Poch said he had been watching Saints for a while, showing that he had been colluding with Cortese for sometime. No doubt he was doing the same with Spurs.[/p][/quote]That's one view. Another is that Poch left, despite an offer of £6m a year, because he had principles and wasn't prepared to tolerate the club's U turn on the vision he had been sold, a lack of ambition - 'no new project' as he put it. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

8:42pm Fri 27 Jun 14

u bunch of mugs says...

if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe.
I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts
When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.
if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe. I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide. u bunch of mugs
  • Score: 8

8:43pm Fri 27 Jun 14

bullsbags says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Are you lot really that stupid to think your owners are going to reinvest all of the money they make on the sale of your players by buying better players. Trust me they know exactly what they are doing, making money for themselves, Southampton are just a small club with a good feeder academy for the top sides. What top players do you really think want to sign for Southampton, answer equals nobody, get real you are just a selling club !
At least we are the biggest club in our city
Forever in the shadow of man city
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Are you lot really that stupid to think your owners are going to reinvest all of the money they make on the sale of your players by buying better players. Trust me they know exactly what they are doing, making money for themselves, Southampton are just a small club with a good feeder academy for the top sides. What top players do you really think want to sign for Southampton, answer equals nobody, get real you are just a selling club ![/p][/quote]At least we are the biggest club in our city Forever in the shadow of man city bullsbags
  • Score: 5

8:43pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Wagon painted says...

Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
What you fail to grasp is that NC popular with some but not all was making decisions whilst being bankrolled by someone else's money.I remember him stating when ML sadly passed away he could get investment elsewhere to continue his ambition if needs be.Where is he then.?! It's easy to manage or run the club from a keyboard but I'm grateful that we have owners who have and continue to bankroll my club.Look 20 miles east to see how many jonny come lately have left our fiercest rivals in near extinction
[quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]What you fail to grasp is that NC popular with some but not all was making decisions whilst being bankrolled by someone else's money.I remember him stating when ML sadly passed away he could get investment elsewhere to continue his ambition if needs be.Where is he then.?! It's easy to manage or run the club from a keyboard but I'm grateful that we have owners who have and continue to bankroll my club.Look 20 miles east to see how many jonny come lately have left our fiercest rivals in near extinction Wagon painted
  • Score: 3

8:49pm Fri 27 Jun 14

bullsbags says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Are you lot really that stupid to think your owners are going to reinvest all of the money they make on the sale of your players by buying better players. Trust me they know exactly what they are doing, making money for themselves, Southampton are just a small club with a good feeder academy for the top sides. What top players do you really think want to sign for Southampton, answer equals nobody, get real you are just a selling club !
Not even the biggest club in your own city pr!ck
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Are you lot really that stupid to think your owners are going to reinvest all of the money they make on the sale of your players by buying better players. Trust me they know exactly what they are doing, making money for themselves, Southampton are just a small club with a good feeder academy for the top sides. What top players do you really think want to sign for Southampton, answer equals nobody, get real you are just a selling club ![/p][/quote]Not even the biggest club in your own city pr!ck bullsbags
  • Score: 3

8:59pm Fri 27 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe.
I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts
When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.
I just love these sanctimonious types who seem to think it is good to boast about how good they feel about the fact that they got it right when they said we are doomed to disaster. Whether it happens or not I think they should be reminded of the fact especially in the unlikely event that our fortunes change for the better. I am really struggling with what is going on and trying very hard not to lose it, so best if I keep quiet and await developments.
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe. I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.[/p][/quote]I just love these sanctimonious types who seem to think it is good to boast about how good they feel about the fact that they got it right when they said we are doomed to disaster. Whether it happens or not I think they should be reminded of the fact especially in the unlikely event that our fortunes change for the better. I am really struggling with what is going on and trying very hard not to lose it, so best if I keep quiet and await developments. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -8

9:02pm Fri 27 Jun 14

costa gaz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?
I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far.
And it ain't over yet......
Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!!
The difference here is that we were sad to get it wrong, you are enjoying every moment of getting right, but is that a good way to support your club? I think not.
Don't be ridiculous Osprey, no one is enjoying what is going on.
It wasn't really hard predicting these things, all that was required was a touch of realism.

It has been on the cards since our last game of the season, but you would not remove your rose tinted specs, and carried on believing that no player would leave, why would they?

Let me tell you another thing Osprey, the exodus has only just begun.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?[/p][/quote]I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far. And it ain't over yet......[/p][/quote]Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!![/p][/quote]The difference here is that we were sad to get it wrong, you are enjoying every moment of getting right, but is that a good way to support your club? I think not.[/p][/quote]Don't be ridiculous Osprey, no one is enjoying what is going on. It wasn't really hard predicting these things, all that was required was a touch of realism. It has been on the cards since our last game of the season, but you would not remove your rose tinted specs, and carried on believing that no player would leave, why would they? Let me tell you another thing Osprey, the exodus has only just begun. costa gaz
  • Score: 8

9:14pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?
I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far.
And it ain't over yet......
Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!!
The difference here is that we were sad to get it wrong, you are enjoying every moment of getting right, but is that a good way to support your club? I think not.
We are all very sad that you got it wrong. Maybe it's time to wake up and stop getting it wrong now?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?[/p][/quote]I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far. And it ain't over yet......[/p][/quote]Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!![/p][/quote]The difference here is that we were sad to get it wrong, you are enjoying every moment of getting right, but is that a good way to support your club? I think not.[/p][/quote]We are all very sad that you got it wrong. Maybe it's time to wake up and stop getting it wrong now? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

9:21pm Fri 27 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

well as these threads have brought out all the, wums, fake fans, fake fans of other clubs,skates, in the knows, cant tell the difference between Pelle and Pele`s, I told you so`s, invent a facts, fire sale`s, conspiracy theorists and don't believe a word the board tell you types, plus many more, I think I will leave you to it!
well until theres another `good` story when we know almost all of you will disappear back into whatever hole you come out of!
have fun with yourselves, I`m sure you will enjoy it!
its a shame most of you don't turn up when there are good stories, you might enjoy them even though they don't fit in with your views!
well as these threads have brought out all the, wums, fake fans, fake fans of other clubs,skates, in the knows, cant tell the difference between Pelle and Pele`s, I told you so`s, invent a facts, fire sale`s, conspiracy theorists and don't believe a word the board tell you types, plus many more, I think I will leave you to it! well until theres another `good` story when we know almost all of you will disappear back into whatever hole you come out of! have fun with yourselves, I`m sure you will enjoy it! its a shame most of you don't turn up when there are good stories, you might enjoy them even though they don't fit in with your views! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -3

9:22pm Fri 27 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe.
I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts
When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.
Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off.

If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe. I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.[/p][/quote]Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off. If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you. St.Winch70
  • Score: 1

9:25pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Sky sports are listing all the academy products we have sold in financial order. Classy.
Sky sports are listing all the academy products we have sold in financial order. Classy. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

9:28pm Fri 27 Jun 14

u bunch of mugs says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe.
I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts
When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.
Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off.

If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.
U going to do it then........ Big man
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe. I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.[/p][/quote]Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off. If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.[/p][/quote]U going to do it then........ Big man u bunch of mugs
  • Score: 0

9:44pm Fri 27 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe.
I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts
When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.
Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off.

If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.
U going to do it then........ Big man
You're up late.
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe. I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.[/p][/quote]Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off. If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.[/p][/quote]U going to do it then........ Big man[/p][/quote]You're up late. St.Winch70
  • Score: 0

9:54pm Fri 27 Jun 14

u bunch of mugs says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe.
I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts
When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.
Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off.

If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.
U going to do it then........ Big man
You're up late.
You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe. I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.[/p][/quote]Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off. If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.[/p][/quote]U going to do it then........ Big man[/p][/quote]You're up late.[/p][/quote]You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up. u bunch of mugs
  • Score: -2

9:59pm Fri 27 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?
I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far.
And it ain't over yet......
Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!!
The difference here is that we were sad to get it wrong, you are enjoying every moment of getting right, but is that a good way to support your club? I think not.
We are all very sad that you got it wrong. Maybe it's time to wake up and stop getting it wrong now?
just before I leave you all to it,

the main difference seed is that whilst most of us knew this was going to happen we hoped that the club would stand firm.
personally I never said the players would stay or go, so technically i`ve got nothing wrong, what I did say was that, if the club wanted to keep the players they could do, however they have obviously decided that its best for the club that they are sold, and I don't know the inner workings of the club so I would not try to hazard a guess as to why.
what I`m not doing is getting all down on the board or the owner and saying all sorts that might just be as wrong as they are right.
people like redandy were desperate for the players to leave and he probably had a little wee in his pants when he heard the news, he then couldn't wait to come on hear, and its worth noting that he only turns up when there are stories like this, to revel in the fact that he `predicted` (wasn't hard to predict really) that these players would go.
luke has been making it clear on twitter for quite a while that he was off to manure. he even `unfollowed` loads of saints fans a few weeks ago. I didn't or couldn't be bothered to mention it on here as I knew the reaction it would have got from certain people (and im not including you there seed).
its clear you and I have different views on the club at the moment and whilst I disagree with some of yours, as you do with mine, I appreciate what your saying and see where your coming from and think its great that we can debate the club with a sense of maturity, after all we both want whats best for the club, and for the club to succeed, which I`m afraid cant be said for people like redandy!
as I said i`m going to leave let the wums etc have their fun and will be back in a day or two when the good news starts flowing in, and it will!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?[/p][/quote]I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far. And it ain't over yet......[/p][/quote]Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!![/p][/quote]The difference here is that we were sad to get it wrong, you are enjoying every moment of getting right, but is that a good way to support your club? I think not.[/p][/quote]We are all very sad that you got it wrong. Maybe it's time to wake up and stop getting it wrong now?[/p][/quote]just before I leave you all to it, the main difference seed is that whilst most of us knew this was going to happen we hoped that the club would stand firm. personally I never said the players would stay or go, so technically i`ve got nothing wrong, what I did say was that, if the club wanted to keep the players they could do, however they have obviously decided that its best for the club that they are sold, and I don't know the inner workings of the club so I would not try to hazard a guess as to why. what I`m not doing is getting all down on the board or the owner and saying all sorts that might just be as wrong as they are right. people like redandy were desperate for the players to leave and he probably had a little wee in his pants when he heard the news, he then couldn't wait to come on hear, and its worth noting that he only turns up when there are stories like this, to revel in the fact that he `predicted` (wasn't hard to predict really) that these players would go. luke has been making it clear on twitter for quite a while that he was off to manure. he even `unfollowed` loads of saints fans a few weeks ago. I didn't or couldn't be bothered to mention it on here as I knew the reaction it would have got from certain people (and im not including you there seed). its clear you and I have different views on the club at the moment and whilst I disagree with some of yours, as you do with mine, I appreciate what your saying and see where your coming from and think its great that we can debate the club with a sense of maturity, after all we both want whats best for the club, and for the club to succeed, which I`m afraid cant be said for people like redandy! as I said i`m going to leave let the wums etc have their fun and will be back in a day or two when the good news starts flowing in, and it will! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 4

10:01pm Fri 27 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe.
I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts
When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.
Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off.

If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.
U going to do it then........ Big man
You're up late.
You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.
You first Rocky.......
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe. I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.[/p][/quote]Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off. If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.[/p][/quote]U going to do it then........ Big man[/p][/quote]You're up late.[/p][/quote]You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.[/p][/quote]You first Rocky....... St.Winch70
  • Score: -3

10:11pm Fri 27 Jun 14

bullsbags says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe.
I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts
When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.
Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off.

If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.
U going to do it then........ Big man
You're up late.
You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.
Grow up!
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe. I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.[/p][/quote]Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off. If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.[/p][/quote]U going to do it then........ Big man[/p][/quote]You're up late.[/p][/quote]You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.[/p][/quote]Grow up! bullsbags
  • Score: 2

10:11pm Fri 27 Jun 14

u bunch of mugs says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe.
I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts
When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.
Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off.

If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.
U going to do it then........ Big man
You're up late.
You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.
You first Rocky.......
Well Winchester What What old chap. I take it you are a happy clapper that is not welcome at our club.
And may one suggest old chap you support your own city/farm.
I live in Hythe only a small place surely not to intimidating for a big inbreed like your self to come and have ago.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe. I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.[/p][/quote]Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off. If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.[/p][/quote]U going to do it then........ Big man[/p][/quote]You're up late.[/p][/quote]You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.[/p][/quote]You first Rocky.......[/p][/quote]Well Winchester What What old chap. I take it you are a happy clapper that is not welcome at our club. And may one suggest old chap you support your own city/farm. I live in Hythe only a small place surely not to intimidating for a big inbreed like your self to come and have ago. u bunch of mugs
  • Score: -1

10:17pm Fri 27 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe.
I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts
When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.
Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off.

If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.
U going to do it then........ Big man
You're up late.
You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.
You first Rocky.......
Well Winchester What What old chap. I take it you are a happy clapper that is not welcome at our club.
And may one suggest old chap you support your own city/farm.
I live in Hythe only a small place surely not to intimidating for a big inbreed like your self to come and have ago.
Sssh, your Mum'll be up those stairs to turn out the night light soon.
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe. I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.[/p][/quote]Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off. If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.[/p][/quote]U going to do it then........ Big man[/p][/quote]You're up late.[/p][/quote]You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.[/p][/quote]You first Rocky.......[/p][/quote]Well Winchester What What old chap. I take it you are a happy clapper that is not welcome at our club. And may one suggest old chap you support your own city/farm. I live in Hythe only a small place surely not to intimidating for a big inbreed like your self to come and have ago.[/p][/quote]Sssh, your Mum'll be up those stairs to turn out the night light soon. St.Winch70
  • Score: 3

10:21pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Clever Dick says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Are you lot really that stupid to think your owners are going to reinvest all of the money they make on the sale of your players by buying better players. Trust me they know exactly what they are doing, making money for themselves, Southampton are just a small club with a good feeder academy for the top sides. What top players do you really think want to sign for Southampton, answer equals nobody, get real you are just a selling club !
And are you stupid enough to think that the owner, who has been left £2billion pounds by her father, is now in the process of disrespecting his wishes by making a few million more out of the football club. Not everybody has your morals thank goodness. Try growing up you simple minded moron,
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Are you lot really that stupid to think your owners are going to reinvest all of the money they make on the sale of your players by buying better players. Trust me they know exactly what they are doing, making money for themselves, Southampton are just a small club with a good feeder academy for the top sides. What top players do you really think want to sign for Southampton, answer equals nobody, get real you are just a selling club ![/p][/quote]And are you stupid enough to think that the owner, who has been left £2billion pounds by her father, is now in the process of disrespecting his wishes by making a few million more out of the football club. Not everybody has your morals thank goodness. Try growing up you simple minded moron, Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

10:27pm Fri 27 Jun 14

u bunch of mugs says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe.
I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts
When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.
Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off.

If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.
U going to do it then........ Big man
You're up late.
You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.
You first Rocky.......
Well Winchester What What old chap. I take it you are a happy clapper that is not welcome at our club.
And may one suggest old chap you support your own city/farm.
I live in Hythe only a small place surely not to intimidating for a big inbreed like your self to come and have ago.
Sssh, your Mum'll be up those stairs to turn out the night light soon.
And your wife is most likely F@cking the farmer down the road while you are giving it the big one on the laptop.
I take it you have bottled it from a kid then.. No wonder your wife is getting it some where else what a melt....
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe. I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.[/p][/quote]Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off. If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.[/p][/quote]U going to do it then........ Big man[/p][/quote]You're up late.[/p][/quote]You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.[/p][/quote]You first Rocky.......[/p][/quote]Well Winchester What What old chap. I take it you are a happy clapper that is not welcome at our club. And may one suggest old chap you support your own city/farm. I live in Hythe only a small place surely not to intimidating for a big inbreed like your self to come and have ago.[/p][/quote]Sssh, your Mum'll be up those stairs to turn out the night light soon.[/p][/quote]And your wife is most likely F@cking the farmer down the road while you are giving it the big one on the laptop. I take it you have bottled it from a kid then.. No wonder your wife is getting it some where else what a melt.... u bunch of mugs
  • Score: 0

10:32pm Fri 27 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe.
I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts
When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.
Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off.

If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.
U going to do it then........ Big man
You're up late.
You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.
You first Rocky.......
Well Winchester What What old chap. I take it you are a happy clapper that is not welcome at our club.
And may one suggest old chap you support your own city/farm.
I live in Hythe only a small place surely not to intimidating for a big inbreed like your self to come and have ago.
Sssh, your Mum'll be up those stairs to turn out the night light soon.
And your wife is most likely F@cking the farmer down the road while you are giving it the big one on the laptop.
I take it you have bottled it from a kid then.. No wonder your wife is getting it some where else what a melt....
Oh dear! Close your eyes little man - sleepy time.
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe. I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.[/p][/quote]Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off. If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.[/p][/quote]U going to do it then........ Big man[/p][/quote]You're up late.[/p][/quote]You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.[/p][/quote]You first Rocky.......[/p][/quote]Well Winchester What What old chap. I take it you are a happy clapper that is not welcome at our club. And may one suggest old chap you support your own city/farm. I live in Hythe only a small place surely not to intimidating for a big inbreed like your self to come and have ago.[/p][/quote]Sssh, your Mum'll be up those stairs to turn out the night light soon.[/p][/quote]And your wife is most likely F@cking the farmer down the road while you are giving it the big one on the laptop. I take it you have bottled it from a kid then.. No wonder your wife is getting it some where else what a melt....[/p][/quote]Oh dear! Close your eyes little man - sleepy time. St.Winch70
  • Score: 3

10:32pm Fri 27 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe.
I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts
When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.
Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off.

If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.
U going to do it then........ Big man
You're up late.
You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.
You first Rocky.......
Well Winchester What What old chap. I take it you are a happy clapper that is not welcome at our club.
And may one suggest old chap you support your own city/farm.
I live in Hythe only a small place surely not to intimidating for a big inbreed like your self to come and have ago.
Sssh, your Mum'll be up those stairs to turn out the night light soon.
And your wife is most likely F@cking the farmer down the road while you are giving it the big one on the laptop.
I take it you have bottled it from a kid then.. No wonder your wife is getting it some where else what a melt....
Oh dear! Close your eyes little man - sleepy time.
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe. I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.[/p][/quote]Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off. If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.[/p][/quote]U going to do it then........ Big man[/p][/quote]You're up late.[/p][/quote]You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.[/p][/quote]You first Rocky.......[/p][/quote]Well Winchester What What old chap. I take it you are a happy clapper that is not welcome at our club. And may one suggest old chap you support your own city/farm. I live in Hythe only a small place surely not to intimidating for a big inbreed like your self to come and have ago.[/p][/quote]Sssh, your Mum'll be up those stairs to turn out the night light soon.[/p][/quote]And your wife is most likely F@cking the farmer down the road while you are giving it the big one on the laptop. I take it you have bottled it from a kid then.. No wonder your wife is getting it some where else what a melt....[/p][/quote]Oh dear! Close your eyes little man - sleepy time. St.Winch70
  • Score: -1

10:40pm Fri 27 Jun 14

brighton saint says...

bullsbags wrote:
M.U.CS1 wrote:
Are you lot really that stupid to think your owners are going to reinvest all of the money they make on the sale of your players by buying better players. Trust me they know exactly what they are doing, making money for themselves, Southampton are just a small club with a good feeder academy for the top sides. What top players do you really think want to sign for Southampton, answer equals nobody, get real you are just a selling club !
Not even the biggest club in your own city pr!ck
Don't call us stupid so rude but of course you'd know all about that...why are you on here..get back on your armchair site and leave us alone...you know nothing of our club and how it is run....what has happened to the Manc production line..not a lot hence knocking on our door...you guys are really helping the England international team ...not...clubs like yours are over inflating the transfer market with your american cash cow...geee man we'll pay 30 million for a brit teenager ...wow we'll have another world record...typical brash yankie doodle..I use to have respect for Man Utd but you now are no different to Chelsea, Spurs and Man City (looks like LFC to a certain extent)...all of you are trying to buy the title...I pray you all fail next season...bon chance to you but here's hoping a decent team wins it p.s. it's not just a good academy it's world class
[quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Are you lot really that stupid to think your owners are going to reinvest all of the money they make on the sale of your players by buying better players. Trust me they know exactly what they are doing, making money for themselves, Southampton are just a small club with a good feeder academy for the top sides. What top players do you really think want to sign for Southampton, answer equals nobody, get real you are just a selling club ![/p][/quote]Not even the biggest club in your own city pr!ck[/p][/quote]Don't call us stupid so rude but of course you'd know all about that...why are you on here..get back on your armchair site and leave us alone...you know nothing of our club and how it is run....what has happened to the Manc production line..not a lot hence knocking on our door...you guys are really helping the England international team ...not...clubs like yours are over inflating the transfer market with your american cash cow...geee man we'll pay 30 million for a brit teenager ...wow we'll have another world record...typical brash yankie doodle..I use to have respect for Man Utd but you now are no different to Chelsea, Spurs and Man City (looks like LFC to a certain extent)...all of you are trying to buy the title...I pray you all fail next season...bon chance to you but here's hoping a decent team wins it p.s. it's not just a good academy it's world class brighton saint
  • Score: 0

10:47pm Fri 27 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe.
I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts
When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.
I just love these sanctimonious types who seem to think it is good to boast about how good they feel about the fact that they got it right when they said we are doomed to disaster. Whether it happens or not I think they should be reminded of the fact especially in the unlikely event that our fortunes change for the better. I am really struggling with what is going on and trying very hard not to lose it, so best if I keep quiet and await developments.
Happy Clapper. Living with his mum and playing on his console. Tw@t
Sad
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe. I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.[/p][/quote]I just love these sanctimonious types who seem to think it is good to boast about how good they feel about the fact that they got it right when they said we are doomed to disaster. Whether it happens or not I think they should be reminded of the fact especially in the unlikely event that our fortunes change for the better. I am really struggling with what is going on and trying very hard not to lose it, so best if I keep quiet and await developments.[/p][/quote]Happy Clapper. Living with his mum and playing on his console. Tw@t[/p][/quote]Sad OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

10:52pm Fri 27 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?
I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far.
And it ain't over yet......
Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!!
The difference here is that we were sad to get it wrong, you are enjoying every moment of getting right, but is that a good way to support your club? I think not.
We are all very sad that you got it wrong. Maybe it's time to wake up and stop getting it wrong now?
Thanks that was a great help. Not.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?[/p][/quote]I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far. And it ain't over yet......[/p][/quote]Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!![/p][/quote]The difference here is that we were sad to get it wrong, you are enjoying every moment of getting right, but is that a good way to support your club? I think not.[/p][/quote]We are all very sad that you got it wrong. Maybe it's time to wake up and stop getting it wrong now?[/p][/quote]Thanks that was a great help. Not. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

10:53pm Fri 27 Jun 14

u bunch of mugs says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe.
I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts
When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.
Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off.

If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.
U going to do it then........ Big man
You're up late.
You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.
You first Rocky.......
Well Winchester What What old chap. I take it you are a happy clapper that is not welcome at our club.
And may one suggest old chap you support your own city/farm.
I live in Hythe only a small place surely not to intimidating for a big inbreed like your self to come and have ago.
Sssh, your Mum'll be up those stairs to turn out the night light soon.
And your wife is most likely F@cking the farmer down the road while you are giving it the big one on the laptop.
I take it you have bottled it from a kid then.. No wonder your wife is getting it some where else what a melt....
Oh dear! Close your eyes little man - sleepy time.
I bet your wife is with pleasure. I say it again bottled it have we.....
If I am a kid you must be a pedo sending messages to me this time of night?

Old bill are coming what what.........Winches
ter nick for you son
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe. I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.[/p][/quote]Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off. If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.[/p][/quote]U going to do it then........ Big man[/p][/quote]You're up late.[/p][/quote]You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.[/p][/quote]You first Rocky.......[/p][/quote]Well Winchester What What old chap. I take it you are a happy clapper that is not welcome at our club. And may one suggest old chap you support your own city/farm. I live in Hythe only a small place surely not to intimidating for a big inbreed like your self to come and have ago.[/p][/quote]Sssh, your Mum'll be up those stairs to turn out the night light soon.[/p][/quote]And your wife is most likely F@cking the farmer down the road while you are giving it the big one on the laptop. I take it you have bottled it from a kid then.. No wonder your wife is getting it some where else what a melt....[/p][/quote]Oh dear! Close your eyes little man - sleepy time.[/p][/quote]I bet your wife is with pleasure. I say it again bottled it have we..... If I am a kid you must be a pedo sending messages to me this time of night? Old bill are coming what what.........Winches ter nick for you son u bunch of mugs
  • Score: 0

10:57pm Fri 27 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe.
I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts
When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.
Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off.

If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.
U going to do it then........ Big man
You're up late.
You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.
You first Rocky.......
Well Winchester What What old chap. I take it you are a happy clapper that is not welcome at our club.
And may one suggest old chap you support your own city/farm.
I live in Hythe only a small place surely not to intimidating for a big inbreed like your self to come and have ago.
Sssh, your Mum'll be up those stairs to turn out the night light soon.
And your wife is most likely F@cking the farmer down the road while you are giving it the big one on the laptop.
I take it you have bottled it from a kid then.. No wonder your wife is getting it some where else what a melt....
Oh dear! Close your eyes little man - sleepy time.
I bet your wife is with pleasure. I say it again bottled it have we.....
If I am a kid you must be a pedo sending messages to me this time of night?

Old bill are coming what what.........Winches

ter nick for you son
Come on now, what are you 13? 11pm is late enough, get some sleep it'll help you with your spotty little greasy face.
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe. I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.[/p][/quote]Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off. If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.[/p][/quote]U going to do it then........ Big man[/p][/quote]You're up late.[/p][/quote]You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.[/p][/quote]You first Rocky.......[/p][/quote]Well Winchester What What old chap. I take it you are a happy clapper that is not welcome at our club. And may one suggest old chap you support your own city/farm. I live in Hythe only a small place surely not to intimidating for a big inbreed like your self to come and have ago.[/p][/quote]Sssh, your Mum'll be up those stairs to turn out the night light soon.[/p][/quote]And your wife is most likely F@cking the farmer down the road while you are giving it the big one on the laptop. I take it you have bottled it from a kid then.. No wonder your wife is getting it some where else what a melt....[/p][/quote]Oh dear! Close your eyes little man - sleepy time.[/p][/quote]I bet your wife is with pleasure. I say it again bottled it have we..... If I am a kid you must be a pedo sending messages to me this time of night? Old bill are coming what what.........Winches ter nick for you son[/p][/quote]Come on now, what are you 13? 11pm is late enough, get some sleep it'll help you with your spotty little greasy face. St.Winch70
  • Score: 0

11:04pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Wow....so much anger.

Get a grip chaps.
Wow....so much anger. Get a grip chaps. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 4

11:13pm Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe.
I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts
When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.
Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off.

If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.
U going to do it then........ Big man
You're up late.
You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.
You first Rocky.......
Well Winchester What What old chap. I take it you are a happy clapper that is not welcome at our club.
And may one suggest old chap you support your own city/farm.
I live in Hythe only a small place surely not to intimidating for a big inbreed like your self to come and have ago.
Sssh, your Mum'll be up those stairs to turn out the night light soon.
And your wife is most likely F@cking the farmer down the road while you are giving it the big one on the laptop.
I take it you have bottled it from a kid then.. No wonder your wife is getting it some where else what a melt....
Oh dear! Close your eyes little man - sleepy time.
I bet your wife is with pleasure. I say it again bottled it have we.....
If I am a kid you must be a pedo sending messages to me this time of night?

Old bill are coming what what.........Winches

ter nick for you son
FFS - cup half full - we've got rid of two gobshites for a lot money in return and can now reinvest in the team.
- cup half empty - we've sold the ony two real players we had and now we're blx'd

Either way you look at it we've had a hell of a day one way or t'other and the only thing you two can do is one patronize the other whilst the other wants to act like some lilttle chav bully boy gobshite and be "Up for it"

Kiss and make up and look for some good news next week gawd knows there's been none this week.

You'll feel good about yourselves again in the morning.
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe. I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.[/p][/quote]Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off. If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.[/p][/quote]U going to do it then........ Big man[/p][/quote]You're up late.[/p][/quote]You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.[/p][/quote]You first Rocky.......[/p][/quote]Well Winchester What What old chap. I take it you are a happy clapper that is not welcome at our club. And may one suggest old chap you support your own city/farm. I live in Hythe only a small place surely not to intimidating for a big inbreed like your self to come and have ago.[/p][/quote]Sssh, your Mum'll be up those stairs to turn out the night light soon.[/p][/quote]And your wife is most likely F@cking the farmer down the road while you are giving it the big one on the laptop. I take it you have bottled it from a kid then.. No wonder your wife is getting it some where else what a melt....[/p][/quote]Oh dear! Close your eyes little man - sleepy time.[/p][/quote]I bet your wife is with pleasure. I say it again bottled it have we..... If I am a kid you must be a pedo sending messages to me this time of night? Old bill are coming what what.........Winches ter nick for you son[/p][/quote]FFS - cup half full - we've got rid of two gobshites for a lot money in return and can now reinvest in the team. - cup half empty - we've sold the ony two real players we had and now we're blx'd Either way you look at it we've had a hell of a day one way or t'other and the only thing you two can do is one patronize the other whilst the other wants to act like some lilttle chav bully boy gobshite and be "Up for it" Kiss and make up and look for some good news next week gawd knows there's been none this week. You'll feel good about yourselves again in the morning. jls217
  • Score: -1

11:32pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Costa Baz says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
shesaint wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?
Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money!
Shaw not putting in a transfer request doesn't mean he intended to stay. He NEVER once said he wanted to stay, and that's all it would have taken. He didn't hang around for the planned meeting with RoKo next week to discuss remaining here, he stated in a interview this week that he didn't necessarily need Champions League football, which he won't get with Man U this season, and he immediately changed his Twitter status to ManU player. Let's get real here. He wasn't forced into a move, and the Board did the best they could in the situation.

Poch went for more money too, not for more ambition. We only ended up one place higher in his first season than we were when he came. We may well have done just as "well" with Adkins. Don't forget that Poch said he had been watching Saints for a while, showing that he had been colluding with Cortese for sometime. No doubt he was doing the same with Spurs.
That's one view. Another is that Poch left, despite an offer of £6m a year, because he had principles and wasn't prepared to tolerate the club's U turn on the vision he had been sold, a lack of ambition - 'no new project' as he put it.
"No new project" could be interpreted in two ways.

Genuinely, no new project, as in rudderless ship, or same plan as before, therefore not new.

Is your comment based on a chat with Jesus, who may be putting his own spin on things, to show MP in a good light?
I'm sure that I read on another forum, that MP's staff were initially split, on the decision to move on, which if true, may indicate that they felt things hadn't really changed.
Might also explain why, in MP's first English interview, for Spuds, he thanked his "loyal staff" for going with him.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?[/p][/quote]Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money![/p][/quote]Shaw not putting in a transfer request doesn't mean he intended to stay. He NEVER once said he wanted to stay, and that's all it would have taken. He didn't hang around for the planned meeting with RoKo next week to discuss remaining here, he stated in a interview this week that he didn't necessarily need Champions League football, which he won't get with Man U this season, and he immediately changed his Twitter status to ManU player. Let's get real here. He wasn't forced into a move, and the Board did the best they could in the situation. Poch went for more money too, not for more ambition. We only ended up one place higher in his first season than we were when he came. We may well have done just as "well" with Adkins. Don't forget that Poch said he had been watching Saints for a while, showing that he had been colluding with Cortese for sometime. No doubt he was doing the same with Spurs.[/p][/quote]That's one view. Another is that Poch left, despite an offer of £6m a year, because he had principles and wasn't prepared to tolerate the club's U turn on the vision he had been sold, a lack of ambition - 'no new project' as he put it.[/p][/quote]"No new project" could be interpreted in two ways. Genuinely, no new project, as in rudderless ship, or same plan as before, therefore not new. Is your comment based on a chat with Jesus, who may be putting his own spin on things, to show MP in a good light? I'm sure that I read on another forum, that MP's staff were initially split, on the decision to move on, which if true, may indicate that they felt things hadn't really changed. Might also explain why, in MP's first English interview, for Spuds, he thanked his "loyal staff" for going with him. Costa Baz
  • Score: 1

12:11am Sat 28 Jun 14

milton road says...

If what i believe we get 52 million up front and then add ons for both players, then I would not be surprised if Koeman's had not already cleared them to go. Shaw will be a great left back if he does not get injured. Adam was a good player that came through the ranks and was a star here. At Liverpool he will be the small fish in the pond and on the fringes. The fact they are leaving is tough because they came through the ranks and been through a lot with us. The pride we had in home produced players was good and there will be more to come. I would not be surprised if Koeman also already sounded out possible replacements for when he starts.
Even champion league clubs lose players they want to keep. Its the inevitability of football these days. I think we can say that heads got turned being picked for England.
The word is that Saints will have a transfer kitty of between 30-50 million plus players sales. If true we could bring in six or seven quality players. Which would give us depth in squad.
The question is would we suffer from the bonding problems Spurs had?
I think we could end up with a few Dutch players who would be tempted by the wages and Koeman.
It maybe this next season will be one of rebuild I do not think we will be in trouble but may take time to resettle.
RL's time here was coming to an end and he will get the odd game at Liverpool. Lallana rarely plays a whole game and Shaw does sometimes leave the left back exposed. That does not say they are not good players, at the end of the day though no one is irreplaceable though the situation is
unfortunate. Not one we would of wanted.
No one can undermine what MP did for us, nor for that fact NA. MP's sides will always be exciting but CL qualifiers i have doubts. His style was found out by the clubs above us last season. I t reflected in the fact we got few points from the top seven. The question is not whether MP is a good manager but can he take a club to the very top when he in his career has only ever produced an average of 34% win ratio in almost six years of management in top flight football. Its worrying times but nowhere near as worrying as five years ago and when we talk of a large transfer kitty and the fact that Barclays put us into receivership for 100,000 pounds There can be no comparison. We will survive this. yet it seems old sentiments were not enough to keep famous sons and they pushed the button. Yet it is not of the realms of possibility we may actually do better without them. I think Lallana will regret his move in time, Shaw is out for what he can get both on and off the field and can achieve it like i said. A bitter pill to swallow maybe, yet maybe the after taste will not be as bad as we fear I hope not.
If what i believe we get 52 million up front and then add ons for both players, then I would not be surprised if Koeman's had not already cleared them to go. Shaw will be a great left back if he does not get injured. Adam was a good player that came through the ranks and was a star here. At Liverpool he will be the small fish in the pond and on the fringes. The fact they are leaving is tough because they came through the ranks and been through a lot with us. The pride we had in home produced players was good and there will be more to come. I would not be surprised if Koeman also already sounded out possible replacements for when he starts. Even champion league clubs lose players they want to keep. Its the inevitability of football these days. I think we can say that heads got turned being picked for England. The word is that Saints will have a transfer kitty of between 30-50 million plus players sales. If true we could bring in six or seven quality players. Which would give us depth in squad. The question is would we suffer from the bonding problems Spurs had? I think we could end up with a few Dutch players who would be tempted by the wages and Koeman. It maybe this next season will be one of rebuild I do not think we will be in trouble but may take time to resettle. RL's time here was coming to an end and he will get the odd game at Liverpool. Lallana rarely plays a whole game and Shaw does sometimes leave the left back exposed. That does not say they are not good players, at the end of the day though no one is irreplaceable though the situation is unfortunate. Not one we would of wanted. No one can undermine what MP did for us, nor for that fact NA. MP's sides will always be exciting but CL qualifiers i have doubts. His style was found out by the clubs above us last season. I t reflected in the fact we got few points from the top seven. The question is not whether MP is a good manager but can he take a club to the very top when he in his career has only ever produced an average of 34% win ratio in almost six years of management in top flight football. Its worrying times but nowhere near as worrying as five years ago and when we talk of a large transfer kitty and the fact that Barclays put us into receivership for 100,000 pounds There can be no comparison. We will survive this. yet it seems old sentiments were not enough to keep famous sons and they pushed the button. Yet it is not of the realms of possibility we may actually do better without them. I think Lallana will regret his move in time, Shaw is out for what he can get both on and off the field and can achieve it like i said. A bitter pill to swallow maybe, yet maybe the after taste will not be as bad as we fear I hope not. milton road
  • Score: 6

12:50am Sat 28 Jun 14

Sally Hamilton Original says...

Total waste of money just like Fellaini!...bring on the more talented French left back and Pele... Hope you enjoy the view from the bench Luke! I just hope we don't swap Lallana with Borini .. Total rubbish!
Total waste of money just like Fellaini!...bring on the more talented French left back and Pele... Hope you enjoy the view from the bench Luke! I just hope we don't swap Lallana with Borini .. Total rubbish! Sally Hamilton Original
  • Score: 0

2:23am Sat 28 Jun 14

PremSaint says...

May sound bad to fans now but this is great publicity for Saints.
The cream of young talent will be queuing to get into the academy now. £0 in £30m+ out is the game to play as long as we can keep the conveyer belt turning. We maybe feeding the big fish, but we are still the one with the best rod.

We felt the same when Oxo and Walnut left but we are still here, stronger than ever!
May sound bad to fans now but this is great publicity for Saints. The cream of young talent will be queuing to get into the academy now. £0 in £30m+ out is the game to play as long as we can keep the conveyer belt turning. We maybe feeding the big fish, but we are still the one with the best rod. We felt the same when Oxo and Walnut left but we are still here, stronger than ever! PremSaint
  • Score: 3

2:47am Sat 28 Jun 14

redandy10 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?
I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far.
And it ain't over yet......
Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!!
The difference here is that we were sad to get it wrong, you are enjoying every moment of getting right, but is that a good way to support your club? I think not.
We are all very sad that you got it wrong. Maybe it's time to wake up and stop getting it wrong now?
Thanks that was a great help. Not.
Those who truly love the club will post their true feelings, even if they are pessimistic. If something matters to you and you can see things happening which are going to have an adverse effect on it, the expected response will be to voice your concerns.

I question just how much posters like you and cabbie actually support the club. We were SO CLOSE to establishing ourselves as a major Premiership player, only to see a series of events jeopardise this, so the likes of Costa, Seed and myself voiced our worries and frustrations. BECAUSE THE CLUB MEANS SOMETHING TO US!!!

What did you lot do? Have a go at us and make glib little comments to the effect of "why are you call being so negative", "they have contracts" and the classic "Les Reed said".

Do you lot actually have a vested interest in the club or are you on here to kill a bit of time?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?[/p][/quote]I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far. And it ain't over yet......[/p][/quote]Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!![/p][/quote]The difference here is that we were sad to get it wrong, you are enjoying every moment of getting right, but is that a good way to support your club? I think not.[/p][/quote]We are all very sad that you got it wrong. Maybe it's time to wake up and stop getting it wrong now?[/p][/quote]Thanks that was a great help. Not.[/p][/quote]Those who truly love the club will post their true feelings, even if they are pessimistic. If something matters to you and you can see things happening which are going to have an adverse effect on it, the expected response will be to voice your concerns. I question just how much posters like you and cabbie actually support the club. We were SO CLOSE to establishing ourselves as a major Premiership player, only to see a series of events jeopardise this, so the likes of Costa, Seed and myself voiced our worries and frustrations. BECAUSE THE CLUB MEANS SOMETHING TO US!!! What did you lot do? Have a go at us and make glib little comments to the effect of "why are you call being so negative", "they have contracts" and the classic "Les Reed said". Do you lot actually have a vested interest in the club or are you on here to kill a bit of time? redandy10
  • Score: 2

2:55am Sat 28 Jun 14

ShanoBrizzy says...

as long as we don't lost spider or cork Saints will be right.. the next 5 years should be built on around the midfield partnership..
as long as we don't lost spider or cork Saints will be right.. the next 5 years should be built on around the midfield partnership.. ShanoBrizzy
  • Score: 0

4:43am Sat 28 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

ECHO normally run a Poll - Where do the Fans think we need to strengthen.
as if One Player will do the Trick.

WE HAVE MOINEY - WE NEED PLAYERS AS SQUAD IS WAFER THIN.

SFC NEED

Aonther NUMBER ONE GOALKEEPER - A TOP STRIKER - COVER FOR TOP STRIKER - A GOALSCORING MIDFIELDER - A LEFT BACK - CENTREBACK (Cover and Competition) - PACY WINGER (Options for Gaffer)

WHO WANTS OUR PLAYERS REPRESENTING ENGLAND PLAYING FOR ROY ???

ANSWER : NO-ONE COYR
ECHO normally run a Poll - Where do the Fans think we need to strengthen. as if One Player will do the Trick. WE HAVE MOINEY - WE NEED PLAYERS AS SQUAD IS WAFER THIN. SFC NEED Aonther NUMBER ONE GOALKEEPER - A TOP STRIKER - COVER FOR TOP STRIKER - A GOALSCORING MIDFIELDER - A LEFT BACK - CENTREBACK (Cover and Competition) - PACY WINGER (Options for Gaffer) WHO WANTS OUR PLAYERS REPRESENTING ENGLAND PLAYING FOR ROY ??? ANSWER : NO-ONE COYR The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 1

5:08am Sat 28 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

INGS AND PELLE would be a START.

WE HAVE MONEY - Let's do as we did in League One and the Championship and GET THE PLAYERS IN. COYR
INGS AND PELLE would be a START. WE HAVE MONEY - Let's do as we did in League One and the Championship and GET THE PLAYERS IN. COYR The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 1

6:36am Sat 28 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

RED ARMY - WE FIGHT - WE WIN

++++++MESSAGE FOR ROY HODGSON +++++++

If you do not want to be LYNCHED ....

KEEP AWAY FROM KL AND ST MARY'S. COYR
RED ARMY - WE FIGHT - WE WIN ++++++MESSAGE FOR ROY HODGSON +++++++ If you do not want to be LYNCHED .... KEEP AWAY FROM KL AND ST MARY'S. COYR The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 2

7:46am Sat 28 Jun 14

Clever Dick says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
shesaint wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?
Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money!
Shaw not putting in a transfer request doesn't mean he intended to stay. He NEVER once said he wanted to stay, and that's all it would have taken. He didn't hang around for the planned meeting with RoKo next week to discuss remaining here, he stated in a interview this week that he didn't necessarily need Champions League football, which he won't get with Man U this season, and he immediately changed his Twitter status to ManU player. Let's get real here. He wasn't forced into a move, and the Board did the best they could in the situation.

Poch went for more money too, not for more ambition. We only ended up one place higher in his first season than we were when he came. We may well have done just as "well" with Adkins. Don't forget that Poch said he had been watching Saints for a while, showing that he had been colluding with Cortese for sometime. No doubt he was doing the same with Spurs.
That's one view. Another is that Poch left, despite an offer of £6m a year, because he had principles and wasn't prepared to tolerate the club's U turn on the vision he had been sold, a lack of ambition - 'no new project' as he put it.
"No new project" could be interpreted in two ways.

Genuinely, no new project, as in rudderless ship, or same plan as before, therefore not new.

Is your comment based on a chat with Jesus, who may be putting his own spin on things, to show MP in a good light?
I'm sure that I read on another forum, that MP's staff were initially split, on the decision to move on, which if true, may indicate that they felt things hadn't really changed.
Might also explain why, in MP's first English interview, for Spuds, he thanked his "loyal staff" for going with him.
As has been said many times before NC had a vision for the club using somebody else's money. He sold this vision to MoPo an then moved on leaving the club in limbo. It was fairly obvious from MoPo's body language after this that he wouldn't be staying especially given the fact that he sidestepped every question.The fact is he sat down with the owner and her vision for the future didn't tie in with his vision of taking the club forward by spending her money. It's not the manager who decides the direction of the club. He is an employee. It's the owner. The board has consistently said that transfer proceeds will be ploughed back in and that they are looking to take the club forward. They may not achieve this but I for one believe it is their intention to try.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?[/p][/quote]Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money![/p][/quote]Shaw not putting in a transfer request doesn't mean he intended to stay. He NEVER once said he wanted to stay, and that's all it would have taken. He didn't hang around for the planned meeting with RoKo next week to discuss remaining here, he stated in a interview this week that he didn't necessarily need Champions League football, which he won't get with Man U this season, and he immediately changed his Twitter status to ManU player. Let's get real here. He wasn't forced into a move, and the Board did the best they could in the situation. Poch went for more money too, not for more ambition. We only ended up one place higher in his first season than we were when he came. We may well have done just as "well" with Adkins. Don't forget that Poch said he had been watching Saints for a while, showing that he had been colluding with Cortese for sometime. No doubt he was doing the same with Spurs.[/p][/quote]That's one view. Another is that Poch left, despite an offer of £6m a year, because he had principles and wasn't prepared to tolerate the club's U turn on the vision he had been sold, a lack of ambition - 'no new project' as he put it.[/p][/quote]"No new project" could be interpreted in two ways. Genuinely, no new project, as in rudderless ship, or same plan as before, therefore not new. Is your comment based on a chat with Jesus, who may be putting his own spin on things, to show MP in a good light? I'm sure that I read on another forum, that MP's staff were initially split, on the decision to move on, which if true, may indicate that they felt things hadn't really changed. Might also explain why, in MP's first English interview, for Spuds, he thanked his "loyal staff" for going with him.[/p][/quote]As has been said many times before NC had a vision for the club using somebody else's money. He sold this vision to MoPo an then moved on leaving the club in limbo. It was fairly obvious from MoPo's body language after this that he wouldn't be staying especially given the fact that he sidestepped every question.The fact is he sat down with the owner and her vision for the future didn't tie in with his vision of taking the club forward by spending her money. It's not the manager who decides the direction of the club. He is an employee. It's the owner. The board has consistently said that transfer proceeds will be ploughed back in and that they are looking to take the club forward. They may not achieve this but I for one believe it is their intention to try. Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

7:55am Sat 28 Jun 14

Rickie&Adz14 says...

szent8 wrote:
Looking forward to celebrating his career ending injury, along with the other traitorous scum. COYR
Jesus, that's a bit off! Don't get me wrong, i went to bed last night in absolute shock over the events of yesterday...I am truly gutted!

But...in what way are any of these guys traitors? Sir Rickie is a Southampton Legend...yes! But he is not in anyway a Southampton fan! Adam lallana also a Southampton Legend! Showed more loyalty over the past 5 years than anyone we've seen since MLT!! But again...not in any way a Southampton fan! And we barely got to know Luke Shaw! But it was a pleasure to see him play! Yes he was at the club since 8...but once again not in any way a Southampton fan!

There is a bird who's just left my firm who had worked there for nearly 25 years! Guess what...another firm offered her £15k more a year and she bit their hand off!

Why oh why do people think it's personal when players (who do not in any way follow Southampton Fc) leave the club?

A traitor would be if Danny Ings signs as a true Southampton fan, has one blinding season, scores 20 prem goals and then **** off to Chelsea for 25 mil...that my friend would be a traitor...not what these 3 lads have done!

Chill out, we have cash to splash people....enjoy the ride!

P.S. A couple of £15m signings and you will all be buzzing with excitement....mark my words!

COYR
[quote][p][bold]szent8[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to celebrating his career ending injury, along with the other traitorous scum. COYR[/p][/quote]Jesus, that's a bit off! Don't get me wrong, i went to bed last night in absolute shock over the events of yesterday...I am truly gutted! But...in what way are any of these guys traitors? Sir Rickie is a Southampton Legend...yes! But he is not in anyway a Southampton fan! Adam lallana also a Southampton Legend! Showed more loyalty over the past 5 years than anyone we've seen since MLT!! But again...not in any way a Southampton fan! And we barely got to know Luke Shaw! But it was a pleasure to see him play! Yes he was at the club since 8...but once again not in any way a Southampton fan! There is a bird who's just left my firm who had worked there for nearly 25 years! Guess what...another firm offered her £15k more a year and she bit their hand off! Why oh why do people think it's personal when players (who do not in any way follow Southampton Fc) leave the club? A traitor would be if Danny Ings signs as a true Southampton fan, has one blinding season, scores 20 prem goals and then **** off to Chelsea for 25 mil...that my friend would be a traitor...not what these 3 lads have done! Chill out, we have cash to splash people....enjoy the ride! P.S. A couple of £15m signings and you will all be buzzing with excitement....mark my words! COYR Rickie&Adz14
  • Score: 5

8:02am Sat 28 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
shesaint wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?
Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money!
Shaw not putting in a transfer request doesn't mean he intended to stay. He NEVER once said he wanted to stay, and that's all it would have taken. He didn't hang around for the planned meeting with RoKo next week to discuss remaining here, he stated in a interview this week that he didn't necessarily need Champions League football, which he won't get with Man U this season, and he immediately changed his Twitter status to ManU player. Let's get real here. He wasn't forced into a move, and the Board did the best they could in the situation.

Poch went for more money too, not for more ambition. We only ended up one place higher in his first season than we were when he came. We may well have done just as "well" with Adkins. Don't forget that Poch said he had been watching Saints for a while, showing that he had been colluding with Cortese for sometime. No doubt he was doing the same with Spurs.
That's one view. Another is that Poch left, despite an offer of £6m a year, because he had principles and wasn't prepared to tolerate the club's U turn on the vision he had been sold, a lack of ambition - 'no new project' as he put it.
"No new project" could be interpreted in two ways.

Genuinely, no new project, as in rudderless ship, or same plan as before, therefore not new.

Is your comment based on a chat with Jesus, who may be putting his own spin on things, to show MP in a good light?
I'm sure that I read on another forum, that MP's staff were initially split, on the decision to move on, which if true, may indicate that they felt things hadn't really changed.
Might also explain why, in MP's first English interview, for Spuds, he thanked his "loyal staff" for going with him.
No new project as in steady the ship for two years or as they put it 'no ambition'. Yes it was a chat with Jesus and yes they were split, he said a couple had wanted to stay. He told me MoPo was offered a lot to stay and had a 5 hour meeting with KL herself at his house - reportedly £6m a year (but I wasn't told that). The others were offered a 25% increase which I was told.

He said Adam, Luke, Morgan and Victor would leave. He also said it was a great shame as they had worked so hard to come this far.

He was quite angry, previously he's always been very chilled, and I do accept he may have put some personal spin on it but I don't have him down as a liar.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?[/p][/quote]Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money![/p][/quote]Shaw not putting in a transfer request doesn't mean he intended to stay. He NEVER once said he wanted to stay, and that's all it would have taken. He didn't hang around for the planned meeting with RoKo next week to discuss remaining here, he stated in a interview this week that he didn't necessarily need Champions League football, which he won't get with Man U this season, and he immediately changed his Twitter status to ManU player. Let's get real here. He wasn't forced into a move, and the Board did the best they could in the situation. Poch went for more money too, not for more ambition. We only ended up one place higher in his first season than we were when he came. We may well have done just as "well" with Adkins. Don't forget that Poch said he had been watching Saints for a while, showing that he had been colluding with Cortese for sometime. No doubt he was doing the same with Spurs.[/p][/quote]That's one view. Another is that Poch left, despite an offer of £6m a year, because he had principles and wasn't prepared to tolerate the club's U turn on the vision he had been sold, a lack of ambition - 'no new project' as he put it.[/p][/quote]"No new project" could be interpreted in two ways. Genuinely, no new project, as in rudderless ship, or same plan as before, therefore not new. Is your comment based on a chat with Jesus, who may be putting his own spin on things, to show MP in a good light? I'm sure that I read on another forum, that MP's staff were initially split, on the decision to move on, which if true, may indicate that they felt things hadn't really changed. Might also explain why, in MP's first English interview, for Spuds, he thanked his "loyal staff" for going with him.[/p][/quote]No new project as in steady the ship for two years or as they put it 'no ambition'. Yes it was a chat with Jesus and yes they were split, he said a couple had wanted to stay. He told me MoPo was offered a lot to stay and had a 5 hour meeting with KL herself at his house - reportedly £6m a year (but I wasn't told that). The others were offered a 25% increase which I was told. He said Adam, Luke, Morgan and Victor would leave. He also said it was a great shame as they had worked so hard to come this far. He was quite angry, previously he's always been very chilled, and I do accept he may have put some personal spin on it but I don't have him down as a liar. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

8:12am Sat 28 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
shesaint wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?
Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money!
Shaw not putting in a transfer request doesn't mean he intended to stay. He NEVER once said he wanted to stay, and that's all it would have taken. He didn't hang around for the planned meeting with RoKo next week to discuss remaining here, he stated in a interview this week that he didn't necessarily need Champions League football, which he won't get with Man U this season, and he immediately changed his Twitter status to ManU player. Let's get real here. He wasn't forced into a move, and the Board did the best they could in the situation.

Poch went for more money too, not for more ambition. We only ended up one place higher in his first season than we were when he came. We may well have done just as "well" with Adkins. Don't forget that Poch said he had been watching Saints for a while, showing that he had been colluding with Cortese for sometime. No doubt he was doing the same with Spurs.
That's one view. Another is that Poch left, despite an offer of £6m a year, because he had principles and wasn't prepared to tolerate the club's U turn on the vision he had been sold, a lack of ambition - 'no new project' as he put it.
"No new project" could be interpreted in two ways.

Genuinely, no new project, as in rudderless ship, or same plan as before, therefore not new.

Is your comment based on a chat with Jesus, who may be putting his own spin on things, to show MP in a good light?
I'm sure that I read on another forum, that MP's staff were initially split, on the decision to move on, which if true, may indicate that they felt things hadn't really changed.
Might also explain why, in MP's first English interview, for Spuds, he thanked his "loyal staff" for going with him.
As has been said many times before NC had a vision for the club using somebody else's money. He sold this vision to MoPo an then moved on leaving the club in limbo. It was fairly obvious from MoPo's body language after this that he wouldn't be staying especially given the fact that he sidestepped every question.The fact is he sat down with the owner and her vision for the future didn't tie in with his vision of taking the club forward by spending her money. It's not the manager who decides the direction of the club. He is an employee. It's the owner. The board has consistently said that transfer proceeds will be ploughed back in and that they are looking to take the club forward. They may not achieve this but I for one believe it is their intention to try.
We were so close to something with a team assembled for free or small amounts, that is the best chance Saints will have in decades and they appear to have facked it up. It was her fathers project not hers so I fully understand if she doesn't want to invest in it but don't understand why she didn't sell it, intact, to someone who does.

You keep saying about Cortese spending other peoples money, and I appreciate he was highly paid, but he added value, he made her asset worth a lot more than was paid for it and subsequently invested in it with debt to equity. He made her a profit he didn't cost her money.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?[/p][/quote]Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money![/p][/quote]Shaw not putting in a transfer request doesn't mean he intended to stay. He NEVER once said he wanted to stay, and that's all it would have taken. He didn't hang around for the planned meeting with RoKo next week to discuss remaining here, he stated in a interview this week that he didn't necessarily need Champions League football, which he won't get with Man U this season, and he immediately changed his Twitter status to ManU player. Let's get real here. He wasn't forced into a move, and the Board did the best they could in the situation. Poch went for more money too, not for more ambition. We only ended up one place higher in his first season than we were when he came. We may well have done just as "well" with Adkins. Don't forget that Poch said he had been watching Saints for a while, showing that he had been colluding with Cortese for sometime. No doubt he was doing the same with Spurs.[/p][/quote]That's one view. Another is that Poch left, despite an offer of £6m a year, because he had principles and wasn't prepared to tolerate the club's U turn on the vision he had been sold, a lack of ambition - 'no new project' as he put it.[/p][/quote]"No new project" could be interpreted in two ways. Genuinely, no new project, as in rudderless ship, or same plan as before, therefore not new. Is your comment based on a chat with Jesus, who may be putting his own spin on things, to show MP in a good light? I'm sure that I read on another forum, that MP's staff were initially split, on the decision to move on, which if true, may indicate that they felt things hadn't really changed. Might also explain why, in MP's first English interview, for Spuds, he thanked his "loyal staff" for going with him.[/p][/quote]As has been said many times before NC had a vision for the club using somebody else's money. He sold this vision to MoPo an then moved on leaving the club in limbo. It was fairly obvious from MoPo's body language after this that he wouldn't be staying especially given the fact that he sidestepped every question.The fact is he sat down with the owner and her vision for the future didn't tie in with his vision of taking the club forward by spending her money. It's not the manager who decides the direction of the club. He is an employee. It's the owner. The board has consistently said that transfer proceeds will be ploughed back in and that they are looking to take the club forward. They may not achieve this but I for one believe it is their intention to try.[/p][/quote]We were so close to something with a team assembled for free or small amounts, that is the best chance Saints will have in decades and they appear to have facked it up. It was her fathers project not hers so I fully understand if she doesn't want to invest in it but don't understand why she didn't sell it, intact, to someone who does. You keep saying about Cortese spending other peoples money, and I appreciate he was highly paid, but he added value, he made her asset worth a lot more than was paid for it and subsequently invested in it with debt to equity. He made her a profit he didn't cost her money. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

8:18am Sat 28 Jun 14

Saintsayer II says...

Seriously p155ed off I believed Reed when he said players would be held to their contracts and bought my season ticket expecting that to happen If as i suspect our ambition is purely to survive this will be the last time I get that ticket
Cortese would have seen the dream through and would have returned an ernormous profit on the investment He never lied to us and delivered on his promises
Seriously p155ed off I believed Reed when he said players would be held to their contracts and bought my season ticket expecting that to happen If as i suspect our ambition is purely to survive this will be the last time I get that ticket Cortese would have seen the dream through and would have returned an ernormous profit on the investment He never lied to us and delivered on his promises Saintsayer II
  • Score: 2

8:45am Sat 28 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

For those that think this regime know what they are doing I urge you to look at every aspect.

I've just looked up Veho, our new shirt sponsors, and am staggered at how small they are. Their full financial figures are not shown as they are exempt from declaring detailed figures due to their size. Set up in 2007 with issued share capital of £1000 split between 3 shareholders who are also the 3 directors as well. Husband and wife who live in Droxford and a sales director who lives on Leigh Rd, Eastleigh. Reasonable credit rating but not the strongest. Total assets of £2.5m with a net worth of £1.5m. My own company dwarfs them.

It appears a small local company has mugged Ralph off! Their turnover is significantly less than some of the amounts being paid to our competitors. Carlsberg they are not!

Now bearing in mind that Ralph's principle objective was to expand and enhance the commercial side of the operation how the hell do you explain this one?
For those that think this regime know what they are doing I urge you to look at every aspect. I've just looked up Veho, our new shirt sponsors, and am staggered at how small they are. Their full financial figures are not shown as they are exempt from declaring detailed figures due to their size. Set up in 2007 with issued share capital of £1000 split between 3 shareholders who are also the 3 directors as well. Husband and wife who live in Droxford and a sales director who lives on Leigh Rd, Eastleigh. Reasonable credit rating but not the strongest. Total assets of £2.5m with a net worth of £1.5m. My own company dwarfs them. It appears a small local company has mugged Ralph off! Their turnover is significantly less than some of the amounts being paid to our competitors. Carlsberg they are not! Now bearing in mind that Ralph's principle objective was to expand and enhance the commercial side of the operation how the hell do you explain this one? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

8:50am Sat 28 Jun 14

Bassett Boy says...

I wish players would be honest about the reasons they leave a club, specifically us.
Quote from Luke----"I want to continue to progress my career and joining United is the ideal place for me to do that. I am looking forward to this new chapter in my life and also looking forward to learning from the world-class players and management at the club."----my ar5e?
How about "My burning ambition is to become a millionaire by the time I'm 20 and see a move to Manchester United as the best way to achieve this ambition ahead of time"
Moneygrabbing, disloyal, & sh!t are words that spring to mind.
But Hey-Ho, he's gone now so onwards and upwards (hopefully)
I wish players would be honest about the reasons they leave a club, specifically us. Quote from Luke----"I want to continue to progress my career and joining United is the ideal place for me to do that. I am looking forward to this new chapter in my life and also looking forward to learning from the world-class players and management at the club."----my ar5e? How about "My burning ambition is to become a millionaire by the time I'm 20 and see a move to Manchester United as the best way to achieve this ambition ahead of time" Moneygrabbing, disloyal, & sh!t are words that spring to mind. But Hey-Ho, he's gone now so onwards and upwards (hopefully) Bassett Boy
  • Score: 2

8:54am Sat 28 Jun 14

St.Gaz says...

Rickie lambert £4m
Adam lallana £25m
Luke shaw £30m
The club you've supported your whole life being asset stripped
(PRICELESS!)
Rickie lambert £4m Adam lallana £25m Luke shaw £30m The club you've supported your whole life being asset stripped (PRICELESS!) St.Gaz
  • Score: 1

8:58am Sat 28 Jun 14

warrens 76 says...

redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?
I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far.
And it ain't over yet......
Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!!
I said it too!! it is horrible, football is 99.9% of the time the quickest way to lose a fortune, yet on this 0.1% occassion our billionairess owner could with ZERO financial risk ( as she is so far ahead with SFC's value against what pa paid) have pushed us into the elite…and that legacy would last for decades, but no I see the dead hand of Swiss accountancy at work…

Joining Southampton should have been aout adding to a team that was going places, money aside what quality player at the moment wants to join a club that appears to be selling all it's stars…

The board are worse than monkeys, at least monkeys grab another branch before letting go of the one they are on!
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?[/p][/quote]I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far. And it ain't over yet......[/p][/quote]Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!![/p][/quote]I said it too!! it is horrible, football is 99.9% of the time the quickest way to lose a fortune, yet on this 0.1% occassion our billionairess owner could with ZERO financial risk ( as she is so far ahead with SFC's value against what pa paid) have pushed us into the elite…and that legacy would last for decades, but no I see the dead hand of Swiss accountancy at work… Joining Southampton should have been aout adding to a team that was going places, money aside what quality player at the moment wants to join a club that appears to be selling all it's stars… The board are worse than monkeys, at least monkeys grab another branch before letting go of the one they are on! warrens 76
  • Score: 2

8:59am Sat 28 Jun 14

J7junctionseven says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
For those that think this regime know what they are doing I urge you to look at every aspect.

I've just looked up Veho, our new shirt sponsors, and am staggered at how small they are. Their full financial figures are not shown as they are exempt from declaring detailed figures due to their size. Set up in 2007 with issued share capital of £1000 split between 3 shareholders who are also the 3 directors as well. Husband and wife who live in Droxford and a sales director who lives on Leigh Rd, Eastleigh. Reasonable credit rating but not the strongest. Total assets of £2.5m with a net worth of £1.5m. My own company dwarfs them.

It appears a small local company has mugged Ralph off! Their turnover is significantly less than some of the amounts being paid to our competitors. Carlsberg they are not!

Now bearing in mind that Ralph's principle objective was to expand and enhance the commercial side of the operation how the hell do you explain this one?
Yeah p1ss poor sponsores in my opinion. We had OCS Cleaning Services as sponsors when we played for Vospers in the Hampshire League who are probably as big if not bigger than this new mob.
I can't really remember Saints having any real big sponsors can you?
Rank Zerox, Flybe, Air Florida, Friends Provicent...all relatively small compared to other teams sponsors,
Can't wait to see what I'll be watching for the £1400 I've spent on season tickets...:o(
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: For those that think this regime know what they are doing I urge you to look at every aspect. I've just looked up Veho, our new shirt sponsors, and am staggered at how small they are. Their full financial figures are not shown as they are exempt from declaring detailed figures due to their size. Set up in 2007 with issued share capital of £1000 split between 3 shareholders who are also the 3 directors as well. Husband and wife who live in Droxford and a sales director who lives on Leigh Rd, Eastleigh. Reasonable credit rating but not the strongest. Total assets of £2.5m with a net worth of £1.5m. My own company dwarfs them. It appears a small local company has mugged Ralph off! Their turnover is significantly less than some of the amounts being paid to our competitors. Carlsberg they are not! Now bearing in mind that Ralph's principle objective was to expand and enhance the commercial side of the operation how the hell do you explain this one?[/p][/quote]Yeah p1ss poor sponsores in my opinion. We had OCS Cleaning Services as sponsors when we played for Vospers in the Hampshire League who are probably as big if not bigger than this new mob. I can't really remember Saints having any real big sponsors can you? Rank Zerox, Flybe, Air Florida, Friends Provicent...all relatively small compared to other teams sponsors, Can't wait to see what I'll be watching for the £1400 I've spent on season tickets...:o( J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

9:00am Sat 28 Jun 14

J7junctionseven says...

St.Gaz wrote:
Rickie lambert £4m
Adam lallana £25m
Luke shaw £30m
The club you've supported your whole life being asset stripped
(PRICELESS!)
"You've supported"...Does that include you???
[quote][p][bold]St.Gaz[/bold] wrote: Rickie lambert £4m Adam lallana £25m Luke shaw £30m The club you've supported your whole life being asset stripped (PRICELESS!)[/p][/quote]"You've supported"...Does that include you??? J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

9:10am Sat 28 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Rickie&Adz14 wrote:
szent8 wrote: Looking forward to celebrating his career ending injury, along with the other traitorous scum. COYR
Jesus, that's a bit off! Don't get me wrong, i went to bed last night in absolute shock over the events of yesterday...I am truly gutted! But...in what way are any of these guys traitors? Sir Rickie is a Southampton Legend...yes! But he is not in anyway a Southampton fan! Adam lallana also a Southampton Legend! Showed more loyalty over the past 5 years than anyone we've seen since MLT!! But again...not in any way a Southampton fan! And we barely got to know Luke Shaw! But it was a pleasure to see him play! Yes he was at the club since 8...but once again not in any way a Southampton fan! There is a bird who's just left my firm who had worked there for nearly 25 years! Guess what...another firm offered her £15k more a year and she bit their hand off! Why oh why do people think it's personal when players (who do not in any way follow Southampton Fc) leave the club? A traitor would be if Danny Ings signs as a true Southampton fan, has one blinding season, scores 20 prem goals and then **** off to Chelsea for 25 mil...that my friend would be a traitor...not what these 3 lads have done! Chill out, we have cash to splash people....enjoy the ride! P.S. A couple of £15m signings and you will all be buzzing with excitement....mark my words! COYR
2 VERY DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW.

Is the Grass always Greener ....

Lambert turned his back on the Club and Fans that LOVED HIM ... he has had his KNIGHTHOOD stripped ... got some BENCH glue and will enjoy weatching games from the sidelines in the next 2 Seasons earning loadsamoney ....

Shaw like Chambo were here at SFC a dogs watch and do not deserve either Recognition or Applause ... They have GREED written all over them.

LALA is in lala land - had a terrible first season in the Prem - improved - was OK for ENG ER LAND ....and he's GONE !!!

REWARD LOYALTY ON THE TERRACES. COYR.
[quote][p][bold]Rickie&Adz14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]szent8[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to celebrating his career ending injury, along with the other traitorous scum. COYR[/p][/quote]Jesus, that's a bit off! Don't get me wrong, i went to bed last night in absolute shock over the events of yesterday...I am truly gutted! But...in what way are any of these guys traitors? Sir Rickie is a Southampton Legend...yes! But he is not in anyway a Southampton fan! Adam lallana also a Southampton Legend! Showed more loyalty over the past 5 years than anyone we've seen since MLT!! But again...not in any way a Southampton fan! And we barely got to know Luke Shaw! But it was a pleasure to see him play! Yes he was at the club since 8...but once again not in any way a Southampton fan! There is a bird who's just left my firm who had worked there for nearly 25 years! Guess what...another firm offered her £15k more a year and she bit their hand off! Why oh why do people think it's personal when players (who do not in any way follow Southampton Fc) leave the club? A traitor would be if Danny Ings signs as a true Southampton fan, has one blinding season, scores 20 prem goals and then **** off to Chelsea for 25 mil...that my friend would be a traitor...not what these 3 lads have done! Chill out, we have cash to splash people....enjoy the ride! P.S. A couple of £15m signings and you will all be buzzing with excitement....mark my words! COYR[/p][/quote]2 VERY DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW. Is the Grass always Greener .... Lambert turned his back on the Club and Fans that LOVED HIM ... he has had his KNIGHTHOOD stripped ... got some BENCH glue and will enjoy weatching games from the sidelines in the next 2 Seasons earning loadsamoney .... Shaw like Chambo were here at SFC a dogs watch and do not deserve either Recognition or Applause ... They have GREED written all over them. LALA is in lala land - had a terrible first season in the Prem - improved - was OK for ENG ER LAND ....and he's GONE !!! REWARD LOYALTY ON THE TERRACES. COYR. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 0

9:11am Sat 28 Jun 14

warrens 76 says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
For those that think this regime know what they are doing I urge you to look at every aspect.

I've just looked up Veho, our new shirt sponsors, and am staggered at how small they are. Their full financial figures are not shown as they are exempt from declaring detailed figures due to their size. Set up in 2007 with issued share capital of £1000 split between 3 shareholders who are also the 3 directors as well. Husband and wife who live in Droxford and a sales director who lives on Leigh Rd, Eastleigh. Reasonable credit rating but not the strongest. Total assets of £2.5m with a net worth of £1.5m. My own company dwarfs them.

It appears a small local company has mugged Ralph off! Their turnover is significantly less than some of the amounts being paid to our competitors. Carlsberg they are not!

Now bearing in mind that Ralph's principle objective was to expand and enhance the commercial side of the operation how the hell do you explain this one?
Yeah p1ss poor sponsores in my opinion. We had OCS Cleaning Services as sponsors when we played for Vospers in the Hampshire League who are probably as big if not bigger than this new mob.
I can't really remember Saints having any real big sponsors can you?
Rank Zerox, Flybe, Air Florida, Friends Provicent...all relatively small compared to other teams sponsors,
Can't wait to see what I'll be watching for the £1400 I've spent on season tickets...:o(
Worse still, BHA are expanding capacity at the AMEX stadium (now there's a sponsor) to 35.500…

Historically we always punched below our weight, we were a bigger club than we were allowed to be, even when Ted Bates was offered a new ground in the 60's he along with the board rejected it.

We build a new ground eventually at the same price as Sunderlands except their's holds 47.000…

We have a billionairess owner who has made an enormous profit (in football!)
and still we do not go for it…..shame oh shame .
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: For those that think this regime know what they are doing I urge you to look at every aspect. I've just looked up Veho, our new shirt sponsors, and am staggered at how small they are. Their full financial figures are not shown as they are exempt from declaring detailed figures due to their size. Set up in 2007 with issued share capital of £1000 split between 3 shareholders who are also the 3 directors as well. Husband and wife who live in Droxford and a sales director who lives on Leigh Rd, Eastleigh. Reasonable credit rating but not the strongest. Total assets of £2.5m with a net worth of £1.5m. My own company dwarfs them. It appears a small local company has mugged Ralph off! Their turnover is significantly less than some of the amounts being paid to our competitors. Carlsberg they are not! Now bearing in mind that Ralph's principle objective was to expand and enhance the commercial side of the operation how the hell do you explain this one?[/p][/quote]Yeah p1ss poor sponsores in my opinion. We had OCS Cleaning Services as sponsors when we played for Vospers in the Hampshire League who are probably as big if not bigger than this new mob. I can't really remember Saints having any real big sponsors can you? Rank Zerox, Flybe, Air Florida, Friends Provicent...all relatively small compared to other teams sponsors, Can't wait to see what I'll be watching for the £1400 I've spent on season tickets...:o([/p][/quote]Worse still, BHA are expanding capacity at the AMEX stadium (now there's a sponsor) to 35.500… Historically we always punched below our weight, we were a bigger club than we were allowed to be, even when Ted Bates was offered a new ground in the 60's he along with the board rejected it. We build a new ground eventually at the same price as Sunderlands except their's holds 47.000… We have a billionairess owner who has made an enormous profit (in football!) and still we do not go for it…..shame oh shame . warrens 76
  • Score: 2

9:28am Sat 28 Jun 14

search for truth says...

Here's an interesting thought to think about ?

Having lost their previous manager, Southampton's board replace him and sell off their key players for a small fortune.

The board pocket the spoils from the sales and replaces the players, spending a very small amount of the money raised and pursue the sale of the club to the highest bidder.

Quote from Daily Telegraph

6:55PM BST 17 Aug 2010

Southampton, known as the Saints, had suffered several years of decline when Liebherr, previously unheard-of in Britain, emerged as a buyer in July 2009. The club had just been relegated from the Football League Championship to League One, having suffered a 10-point deduction because its parent company had gone into administration.

Bankruptcy threatened when a consortium led by the former Saints star Matt le Tissier withdrew a tentative offer. But Liebherr then stepped forward with a Swiss banker, Nicola Cortese, at his side, and made an offer for the club – within two hours of setting foot inside the St Mary's ground – that was believed to have been around £13 million.

--------------------


Assuming what I said above about the sale and replacement of players and the fact that Southampton are now in Premier League, now would be the right time to put the club on the market if you wanted to get out ( which the press have always said she wanted to do ). You would make a good profit over the £ 13 million paid for it when it was bought after being relegated to Div. 1.
Here's an interesting thought to think about ? Having lost their previous manager, Southampton's board replace him and sell off their key players for a small fortune. The board pocket the spoils from the sales and replaces the players, spending a very small amount of the money raised and pursue the sale of the club to the highest bidder. Quote from Daily Telegraph 6:55PM BST 17 Aug 2010 Southampton, known as the Saints, had suffered several years of decline when Liebherr, previously unheard-of in Britain, emerged as a buyer in July 2009. The club had just been relegated from the Football League Championship to League One, having suffered a 10-point deduction because its parent company had gone into administration. Bankruptcy threatened when a consortium led by the former Saints star Matt le Tissier withdrew a tentative offer. But Liebherr then stepped forward with a Swiss banker, Nicola Cortese, at his side, and made an offer for the club – within two hours of setting foot inside the St Mary's ground – that was believed to have been around £13 million. -------------------- Assuming what I said above about the sale and replacement of players and the fact that Southampton are now in Premier League, now would be the right time to put the club on the market if you wanted to get out ( which the press have always said she wanted to do ). You would make a good profit over the £ 13 million paid for it when it was bought after being relegated to Div. 1. search for truth
  • Score: -1

9:32am Sat 28 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

warrens 76 wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
For those that think this regime know what they are doing I urge you to look at every aspect.

I've just looked up Veho, our new shirt sponsors, and am staggered at how small they are. Their full financial figures are not shown as they are exempt from declaring detailed figures due to their size. Set up in 2007 with issued share capital of £1000 split between 3 shareholders who are also the 3 directors as well. Husband and wife who live in Droxford and a sales director who lives on Leigh Rd, Eastleigh. Reasonable credit rating but not the strongest. Total assets of £2.5m with a net worth of £1.5m. My own company dwarfs them.

It appears a small local company has mugged Ralph off! Their turnover is significantly less than some of the amounts being paid to our competitors. Carlsberg they are not!

Now bearing in mind that Ralph's principle objective was to expand and enhance the commercial side of the operation how the hell do you explain this one?
Yeah p1ss poor sponsores in my opinion. We had OCS Cleaning Services as sponsors when we played for Vospers in the Hampshire League who are probably as big if not bigger than this new mob.
I can't really remember Saints having any real big sponsors can you?
Rank Zerox, Flybe, Air Florida, Friends Provicent...all relatively small compared to other teams sponsors,
Can't wait to see what I'll be watching for the £1400 I've spent on season tickets...:o(
Worse still, BHA are expanding capacity at the AMEX stadium (now there's a sponsor) to 35.500…

Historically we always punched below our weight, we were a bigger club than we were allowed to be, even when Ted Bates was offered a new ground in the 60's he along with the board rejected it.

We build a new ground eventually at the same price as Sunderlands except their's holds 47.000…

We have a billionairess owner who has made an enormous profit (in football!)
and still we do not go for it…..shame oh shame .
Yep, it's truly appalling.

Those sponsors you list J7 are not the biggest compared to some but their CEO's will earn more per annum than the revenues of Veho! It's actually embarrassing. aap3 wasn't the biggest deal BUT we were in Div1 at the time.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: For those that think this regime know what they are doing I urge you to look at every aspect. I've just looked up Veho, our new shirt sponsors, and am staggered at how small they are. Their full financial figures are not shown as they are exempt from declaring detailed figures due to their size. Set up in 2007 with issued share capital of £1000 split between 3 shareholders who are also the 3 directors as well. Husband and wife who live in Droxford and a sales director who lives on Leigh Rd, Eastleigh. Reasonable credit rating but not the strongest. Total assets of £2.5m with a net worth of £1.5m. My own company dwarfs them. It appears a small local company has mugged Ralph off! Their turnover is significantly less than some of the amounts being paid to our competitors. Carlsberg they are not! Now bearing in mind that Ralph's principle objective was to expand and enhance the commercial side of the operation how the hell do you explain this one?[/p][/quote]Yeah p1ss poor sponsores in my opinion. We had OCS Cleaning Services as sponsors when we played for Vospers in the Hampshire League who are probably as big if not bigger than this new mob. I can't really remember Saints having any real big sponsors can you? Rank Zerox, Flybe, Air Florida, Friends Provicent...all relatively small compared to other teams sponsors, Can't wait to see what I'll be watching for the £1400 I've spent on season tickets...:o([/p][/quote]Worse still, BHA are expanding capacity at the AMEX stadium (now there's a sponsor) to 35.500… Historically we always punched below our weight, we were a bigger club than we were allowed to be, even when Ted Bates was offered a new ground in the 60's he along with the board rejected it. We build a new ground eventually at the same price as Sunderlands except their's holds 47.000… We have a billionairess owner who has made an enormous profit (in football!) and still we do not go for it…..shame oh shame .[/p][/quote]Yep, it's truly appalling. Those sponsors you list J7 are not the biggest compared to some but their CEO's will earn more per annum than the revenues of Veho! It's actually embarrassing. aap3 wasn't the biggest deal BUT we were in Div1 at the time. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

9:35am Sat 28 Jun 14

St.Gaz says...

So let me get this right!
Rickie lambert £4m
Adam lallana £25m
Luke shaw £31m
Lovern when he goes let say £15/20m
Morgan Spider-Man £20+
+ supposed £30m Ronald was promised?
That's £130 million transfer budget and that's if no one else leaves
If Ronald gets half that to spend I'd be very shocked!
So let me get this right! Rickie lambert £4m Adam lallana £25m Luke shaw £31m Lovern when he goes let say £15/20m Morgan Spider-Man £20+ + supposed £30m Ronald was promised? That's £130 million transfer budget and that's if no one else leaves If Ronald gets half that to spend I'd be very shocked! St.Gaz
  • Score: 0

10:07am Sat 28 Jun 14

Clever Dick says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
shesaint wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?
Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money!
Shaw not putting in a transfer request doesn't mean he intended to stay. He NEVER once said he wanted to stay, and that's all it would have taken. He didn't hang around for the planned meeting with RoKo next week to discuss remaining here, he stated in a interview this week that he didn't necessarily need Champions League football, which he won't get with Man U this season, and he immediately changed his Twitter status to ManU player. Let's get real here. He wasn't forced into a move, and the Board did the best they could in the situation.

Poch went for more money too, not for more ambition. We only ended up one place higher in his first season than we were when he came. We may well have done just as "well" with Adkins. Don't forget that Poch said he had been watching Saints for a while, showing that he had been colluding with Cortese for sometime. No doubt he was doing the same with Spurs.
That's one view. Another is that Poch left, despite an offer of £6m a year, because he had principles and wasn't prepared to tolerate the club's U turn on the vision he had been sold, a lack of ambition - 'no new project' as he put it.
"No new project" could be interpreted in two ways.

Genuinely, no new project, as in rudderless ship, or same plan as before, therefore not new.

Is your comment based on a chat with Jesus, who may be putting his own spin on things, to show MP in a good light?
I'm sure that I read on another forum, that MP's staff were initially split, on the decision to move on, which if true, may indicate that they felt things hadn't really changed.
Might also explain why, in MP's first English interview, for Spuds, he thanked his "loyal staff" for going with him.
As has been said many times before NC had a vision for the club using somebody else's money. He sold this vision to MoPo an then moved on leaving the club in limbo. It was fairly obvious from MoPo's body language after this that he wouldn't be staying especially given the fact that he sidestepped every question.The fact is he sat down with the owner and her vision for the future didn't tie in with his vision of taking the club forward by spending her money. It's not the manager who decides the direction of the club. He is an employee. It's the owner. The board has consistently said that transfer proceeds will be ploughed back in and that they are looking to take the club forward. They may not achieve this but I for one believe it is their intention to try.
We were so close to something with a team assembled for free or small amounts, that is the best chance Saints will have in decades and they appear to have facked it up. It was her fathers project not hers so I fully understand if she doesn't want to invest in it but don't understand why she didn't sell it, intact, to someone who does.

You keep saying about Cortese spending other peoples money, and I appreciate he was highly paid, but he added value, he made her asset worth a lot more than was paid for it and subsequently invested in it with debt to equity. He made her a profit he didn't cost her money.
I agree with you 100%. The team was very close to something special and it's a shame we couldn't keep it together. I don't have any objection to NC earning a very large wage either. He earned every penny of it and any owner should be delighted at the outcome, but that doesn't mean he was infallible and was incapable of making mistakes at a later date. I don't know, but there may well be a reason why KLis not selling. We don't know and probably never will know the provisions made in ML's will. He may, for instance, have requested that the club should not be sold for 5 years and that she should attempt to ensure the club's establishment at the upper end of the Premier League. What is certain though, is that we cannot compete with the likes of Manure Chelski etc etc on the wages front. Sure we could have held them to their contacts but are we really going to get 100% out of them when they know they can be earning millions more per annum at one of those clubs.Players come and go in every club. I really can't understand why everybody is so upset about us losing an 18 year old full back who has ony contributed one assist all season. He can be replaced for a lot less. Likewise with AL. I Cesc Fabregas is worth £30million Adam doesn't come close to him in valuation. I predict he will now become an also ran up amongst all the big egos. There may well be some more high profile exits to come yet which will push our transfer budget up towards £100mil. That's fantasy land for most Premier league sides. Obviously we need to get in very good replacements but I'm looking forward to another geat season head
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?[/p][/quote]Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money![/p][/quote]Shaw not putting in a transfer request doesn't mean he intended to stay. He NEVER once said he wanted to stay, and that's all it would have taken. He didn't hang around for the planned meeting with RoKo next week to discuss remaining here, he stated in a interview this week that he didn't necessarily need Champions League football, which he won't get with Man U this season, and he immediately changed his Twitter status to ManU player. Let's get real here. He wasn't forced into a move, and the Board did the best they could in the situation. Poch went for more money too, not for more ambition. We only ended up one place higher in his first season than we were when he came. We may well have done just as "well" with Adkins. Don't forget that Poch said he had been watching Saints for a while, showing that he had been colluding with Cortese for sometime. No doubt he was doing the same with Spurs.[/p][/quote]That's one view. Another is that Poch left, despite an offer of £6m a year, because he had principles and wasn't prepared to tolerate the club's U turn on the vision he had been sold, a lack of ambition - 'no new project' as he put it.[/p][/quote]"No new project" could be interpreted in two ways. Genuinely, no new project, as in rudderless ship, or same plan as before, therefore not new. Is your comment based on a chat with Jesus, who may be putting his own spin on things, to show MP in a good light? I'm sure that I read on another forum, that MP's staff were initially split, on the decision to move on, which if true, may indicate that they felt things hadn't really changed. Might also explain why, in MP's first English interview, for Spuds, he thanked his "loyal staff" for going with him.[/p][/quote]As has been said many times before NC had a vision for the club using somebody else's money. He sold this vision to MoPo an then moved on leaving the club in limbo. It was fairly obvious from MoPo's body language after this that he wouldn't be staying especially given the fact that he sidestepped every question.The fact is he sat down with the owner and her vision for the future didn't tie in with his vision of taking the club forward by spending her money. It's not the manager who decides the direction of the club. He is an employee. It's the owner. The board has consistently said that transfer proceeds will be ploughed back in and that they are looking to take the club forward. They may not achieve this but I for one believe it is their intention to try.[/p][/quote]We were so close to something with a team assembled for free or small amounts, that is the best chance Saints will have in decades and they appear to have facked it up. It was her fathers project not hers so I fully understand if she doesn't want to invest in it but don't understand why she didn't sell it, intact, to someone who does. You keep saying about Cortese spending other peoples money, and I appreciate he was highly paid, but he added value, he made her asset worth a lot more than was paid for it and subsequently invested in it with debt to equity. He made her a profit he didn't cost her money.[/p][/quote]I agree with you 100%. The team was very close to something special and it's a shame we couldn't keep it together. I don't have any objection to NC earning a very large wage either. He earned every penny of it and any owner should be delighted at the outcome, but that doesn't mean he was infallible and was incapable of making mistakes at a later date. I don't know, but there may well be a reason why KLis not selling. We don't know and probably never will know the provisions made in ML's will. He may, for instance, have requested that the club should not be sold for 5 years and that she should attempt to ensure the club's establishment at the upper end of the Premier League. What is certain though, is that we cannot compete with the likes of Manure Chelski etc etc on the wages front. Sure we could have held them to their contacts but are we really going to get 100% out of them when they know they can be earning millions more per annum at one of those clubs.Players come and go in every club. I really can't understand why everybody is so upset about us losing an 18 year old full back who has ony contributed one assist all season. He can be replaced for a lot less. Likewise with AL. I Cesc Fabregas is worth £30million Adam doesn't come close to him in valuation. I predict he will now become an also ran up amongst all the big egos. There may well be some more high profile exits to come yet which will push our transfer budget up towards £100mil. That's fantasy land for most Premier league sides. Obviously we need to get in very good replacements but I'm looking forward to another geat season head Clever Dick
  • Score: -1

10:34am Sat 28 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
shesaint wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?
Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money!
Shaw not putting in a transfer request doesn't mean he intended to stay. He NEVER once said he wanted to stay, and that's all it would have taken. He didn't hang around for the planned meeting with RoKo next week to discuss remaining here, he stated in a interview this week that he didn't necessarily need Champions League football, which he won't get with Man U this season, and he immediately changed his Twitter status to ManU player. Let's get real here. He wasn't forced into a move, and the Board did the best they could in the situation.

Poch went for more money too, not for more ambition. We only ended up one place higher in his first season than we were when he came. We may well have done just as "well" with Adkins. Don't forget that Poch said he had been watching Saints for a while, showing that he had been colluding with Cortese for sometime. No doubt he was doing the same with Spurs.
That's one view. Another is that Poch left, despite an offer of £6m a year, because he had principles and wasn't prepared to tolerate the club's U turn on the vision he had been sold, a lack of ambition - 'no new project' as he put it.
"No new project" could be interpreted in two ways.

Genuinely, no new project, as in rudderless ship, or same plan as before, therefore not new.

Is your comment based on a chat with Jesus, who may be putting his own spin on things, to show MP in a good light?
I'm sure that I read on another forum, that MP's staff were initially split, on the decision to move on, which if true, may indicate that they felt things hadn't really changed.
Might also explain why, in MP's first English interview, for Spuds, he thanked his "loyal staff" for going with him.
As has been said many times before NC had a vision for the club using somebody else's money. He sold this vision to MoPo an then moved on leaving the club in limbo. It was fairly obvious from MoPo's body language after this that he wouldn't be staying especially given the fact that he sidestepped every question.The fact is he sat down with the owner and her vision for the future didn't tie in with his vision of taking the club forward by spending her money. It's not the manager who decides the direction of the club. He is an employee. It's the owner. The board has consistently said that transfer proceeds will be ploughed back in and that they are looking to take the club forward. They may not achieve this but I for one believe it is their intention to try.
We were so close to something with a team assembled for free or small amounts, that is the best chance Saints will have in decades and they appear to have facked it up. It was her fathers project not hers so I fully understand if she doesn't want to invest in it but don't understand why she didn't sell it, intact, to someone who does.

You keep saying about Cortese spending other peoples money, and I appreciate he was highly paid, but he added value, he made her asset worth a lot more than was paid for it and subsequently invested in it with debt to equity. He made her a profit he didn't cost her money.
I agree with you 100%. The team was very close to something special and it's a shame we couldn't keep it together. I don't have any objection to NC earning a very large wage either. He earned every penny of it and any owner should be delighted at the outcome, but that doesn't mean he was infallible and was incapable of making mistakes at a later date. I don't know, but there may well be a reason why KLis not selling. We don't know and probably never will know the provisions made in ML's will. He may, for instance, have requested that the club should not be sold for 5 years and that she should attempt to ensure the club's establishment at the upper end of the Premier League. What is certain though, is that we cannot compete with the likes of Manure Chelski etc etc on the wages front. Sure we could have held them to their contacts but are we really going to get 100% out of them when they know they can be earning millions more per annum at one of those clubs.Players come and go in every club. I really can't understand why everybody is so upset about us losing an 18 year old full back who has ony contributed one assist all season. He can be replaced for a lot less. Likewise with AL. I Cesc Fabregas is worth £30million Adam doesn't come close to him in valuation. I predict he will now become an also ran up amongst all the big egos. There may well be some more high profile exits to come yet which will push our transfer budget up towards £100mil. That's fantasy land for most Premier league sides. Obviously we need to get in very good replacements but I'm looking forward to another geat season head
The loss of our three England stars is not the way to push the club forward. It is also the effect it has on the others and we could face a domino effect. It also affects the attitude of those we wish to sign up. The team did not need rebuilding it needed strengthening. Name me another team that has achieved top 8 finish in modern times with this:

Boruc - free
Clyne - £2m (Chambers - free)
Shaw - free
Fonte - £2m
Lovren - £7m
Morgan - £2m
Jack - £750k
Adam - free
Davis - £2m
Jay Rod - £7m
Rickie - £1m

That is truly breath taking, almost impossible to believe. Cheap as chips and massively successful. There are players in there who are now being sold for millions and who said they would stay if the club invested a bit to push on. We needed a GK, a CB and a striker - say £30 to 50m - to push on.

You say NC wasn't infallible and might have gone on to make mistakes, well of course that's possible but if you were the owner would you run with someone who has proved to you consistent success over 5 years and who knows the structure inside out because he created it, or would you prefer an unknown who has no experience in this type of role? Personally I know which one I would run with, in fact to me, as a business owner, there isn't even anything to think about, it's a one second decision making process!

I do not believe we will spend £100m this summer, I think it's garbage. And anyway what happened to the view of evolution rather than revolution? Changing half the team in one go has never been successful, some will turn out to be duds and all will take time to gel. How do you maintain that huge camaraderie that was so much part of the success of the last few seasons with numerous new players?
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?[/p][/quote]Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money![/p][/quote]Shaw not putting in a transfer request doesn't mean he intended to stay. He NEVER once said he wanted to stay, and that's all it would have taken. He didn't hang around for the planned meeting with RoKo next week to discuss remaining here, he stated in a interview this week that he didn't necessarily need Champions League football, which he won't get with Man U this season, and he immediately changed his Twitter status to ManU player. Let's get real here. He wasn't forced into a move, and the Board did the best they could in the situation. Poch went for more money too, not for more ambition. We only ended up one place higher in his first season than we were when he came. We may well have done just as "well" with Adkins. Don't forget that Poch said he had been watching Saints for a while, showing that he had been colluding with Cortese for sometime. No doubt he was doing the same with Spurs.[/p][/quote]That's one view. Another is that Poch left, despite an offer of £6m a year, because he had principles and wasn't prepared to tolerate the club's U turn on the vision he had been sold, a lack of ambition - 'no new project' as he put it.[/p][/quote]"No new project" could be interpreted in two ways. Genuinely, no new project, as in rudderless ship, or same plan as before, therefore not new. Is your comment based on a chat with Jesus, who may be putting his own spin on things, to show MP in a good light? I'm sure that I read on another forum, that MP's staff were initially split, on the decision to move on, which if true, may indicate that they felt things hadn't really changed. Might also explain why, in MP's first English interview, for Spuds, he thanked his "loyal staff" for going with him.[/p][/quote]As has been said many times before NC had a vision for the club using somebody else's money. He sold this vision to MoPo an then moved on leaving the club in limbo. It was fairly obvious from MoPo's body language after this that he wouldn't be staying especially given the fact that he sidestepped every question.The fact is he sat down with the owner and her vision for the future didn't tie in with his vision of taking the club forward by spending her money. It's not the manager who decides the direction of the club. He is an employee. It's the owner. The board has consistently said that transfer proceeds will be ploughed back in and that they are looking to take the club forward. They may not achieve this but I for one believe it is their intention to try.[/p][/quote]We were so close to something with a team assembled for free or small amounts, that is the best chance Saints will have in decades and they appear to have facked it up. It was her fathers project not hers so I fully understand if she doesn't want to invest in it but don't understand why she didn't sell it, intact, to someone who does. You keep saying about Cortese spending other peoples money, and I appreciate he was highly paid, but he added value, he made her asset worth a lot more than was paid for it and subsequently invested in it with debt to equity. He made her a profit he didn't cost her money.[/p][/quote]I agree with you 100%. The team was very close to something special and it's a shame we couldn't keep it together. I don't have any objection to NC earning a very large wage either. He earned every penny of it and any owner should be delighted at the outcome, but that doesn't mean he was infallible and was incapable of making mistakes at a later date. I don't know, but there may well be a reason why KLis not selling. We don't know and probably never will know the provisions made in ML's will. He may, for instance, have requested that the club should not be sold for 5 years and that she should attempt to ensure the club's establishment at the upper end of the Premier League. What is certain though, is that we cannot compete with the likes of Manure Chelski etc etc on the wages front. Sure we could have held them to their contacts but are we really going to get 100% out of them when they know they can be earning millions more per annum at one of those clubs.Players come and go in every club. I really can't understand why everybody is so upset about us losing an 18 year old full back who has ony contributed one assist all season. He can be replaced for a lot less. Likewise with AL. I Cesc Fabregas is worth £30million Adam doesn't come close to him in valuation. I predict he will now become an also ran up amongst all the big egos. There may well be some more high profile exits to come yet which will push our transfer budget up towards £100mil. That's fantasy land for most Premier league sides. Obviously we need to get in very good replacements but I'm looking forward to another geat season head[/p][/quote]The loss of our three England stars is not the way to push the club forward. It is also the effect it has on the others and we could face a domino effect. It also affects the attitude of those we wish to sign up. The team did not need rebuilding it needed strengthening. Name me another team that has achieved top 8 finish in modern times with this: Boruc - free Clyne - £2m (Chambers - free) Shaw - free Fonte - £2m Lovren - £7m Morgan - £2m Jack - £750k Adam - free Davis - £2m Jay Rod - £7m Rickie - £1m That is truly breath taking, almost impossible to believe. Cheap as chips and massively successful. There are players in there who are now being sold for millions and who said they would stay if the club invested a bit to push on. We needed a GK, a CB and a striker - say £30 to 50m - to push on. You say NC wasn't infallible and might have gone on to make mistakes, well of course that's possible but if you were the owner would you run with someone who has proved to you consistent success over 5 years and who knows the structure inside out because he created it, or would you prefer an unknown who has no experience in this type of role? Personally I know which one I would run with, in fact to me, as a business owner, there isn't even anything to think about, it's a one second decision making process! I do not believe we will spend £100m this summer, I think it's garbage. And anyway what happened to the view of evolution rather than revolution? Changing half the team in one go has never been successful, some will turn out to be duds and all will take time to gel. How do you maintain that huge camaraderie that was so much part of the success of the last few seasons with numerous new players? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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11:16am Sat 28 Jun 14

Clever Dick says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
shesaint wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Forest Saint wrote:
Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that
Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.
Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?
Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money!
Shaw not putting in a transfer request doesn't mean he intended to stay. He NEVER once said he wanted to stay, and that's all it would have taken. He didn't hang around for the planned meeting with RoKo next week to discuss remaining here, he stated in a interview this week that he didn't necessarily need Champions League football, which he won't get with Man U this season, and he immediately changed his Twitter status to ManU player. Let's get real here. He wasn't forced into a move, and the Board did the best they could in the situation.

Poch went for more money too, not for more ambition. We only ended up one place higher in his first season than we were when he came. We may well have done just as "well" with Adkins. Don't forget that Poch said he had been watching Saints for a while, showing that he had been colluding with Cortese for sometime. No doubt he was doing the same with Spurs.
That's one view. Another is that Poch left, despite an offer of £6m a year, because he had principles and wasn't prepared to tolerate the club's U turn on the vision he had been sold, a lack of ambition - 'no new project' as he put it.
"No new project" could be interpreted in two ways.

Genuinely, no new project, as in rudderless ship, or same plan as before, therefore not new.

Is your comment based on a chat with Jesus, who may be putting his own spin on things, to show MP in a good light?
I'm sure that I read on another forum, that MP's staff were initially split, on the decision to move on, which if true, may indicate that they felt things hadn't really changed.
Might also explain why, in MP's first English interview, for Spuds, he thanked his "loyal staff" for going with him.
As has been said many times before NC had a vision for the club using somebody else's money. He sold this vision to MoPo an then moved on leaving the club in limbo. It was fairly obvious from MoPo's body language after this that he wouldn't be staying especially given the fact that he sidestepped every question.The fact is he sat down with the owner and her vision for the future didn't tie in with his vision of taking the club forward by spending her money. It's not the manager who decides the direction of the club. He is an employee. It's the owner. The board has consistently said that transfer proceeds will be ploughed back in and that they are looking to take the club forward. They may not achieve this but I for one believe it is their intention to try.
We were so close to something with a team assembled for free or small amounts, that is the best chance Saints will have in decades and they appear to have facked it up. It was her fathers project not hers so I fully understand if she doesn't want to invest in it but don't understand why she didn't sell it, intact, to someone who does.

You keep saying about Cortese spending other peoples money, and I appreciate he was highly paid, but he added value, he made her asset worth a lot more than was paid for it and subsequently invested in it with debt to equity. He made her a profit he didn't cost her money.
I agree with you 100%. The team was very close to something special and it's a shame we couldn't keep it together. I don't have any objection to NC earning a very large wage either. He earned every penny of it and any owner should be delighted at the outcome, but that doesn't mean he was infallible and was incapable of making mistakes at a later date. I don't know, but there may well be a reason why KLis not selling. We don't know and probably never will know the provisions made in ML's will. He may, for instance, have requested that the club should not be sold for 5 years and that she should attempt to ensure the club's establishment at the upper end of the Premier League. What is certain though, is that we cannot compete with the likes of Manure Chelski etc etc on the wages front. Sure we could have held them to their contacts but are we really going to get 100% out of them when they know they can be earning millions more per annum at one of those clubs.Players come and go in every club. I really can't understand why everybody is so upset about us losing an 18 year old full back who has ony contributed one assist all season. He can be replaced for a lot less. Likewise with AL. I Cesc Fabregas is worth £30million Adam doesn't come close to him in valuation. I predict he will now become an also ran up amongst all the big egos. There may well be some more high profile exits to come yet which will push our transfer budget up towards £100mil. That's fantasy land for most Premier league sides. Obviously we need to get in very good replacements but I'm looking forward to another geat season head
The loss of our three England stars is not the way to push the club forward. It is also the effect it has on the others and we could face a domino effect. It also affects the attitude of those we wish to sign up. The team did not need rebuilding it needed strengthening. Name me another team that has achieved top 8 finish in modern times with this:

Boruc - free
Clyne - £2m (Chambers - free)
Shaw - free
Fonte - £2m
Lovren - £7m
Morgan - £2m
Jack - £750k
Adam - free
Davis - £2m
Jay Rod - £7m
Rickie - £1m

That is truly breath taking, almost impossible to believe. Cheap as chips and massively successful. There are players in there who are now being sold for millions and who said they would stay if the club invested a bit to push on. We needed a GK, a CB and a striker - say £30 to 50m - to push on.

You say NC wasn't infallible and might have gone on to make mistakes, well of course that's possible but if you were the owner would you run with someone who has proved to you consistent success over 5 years and who knows the structure inside out because he created it, or would you prefer an unknown who has no experience in this type of role? Personally I know which one I would run with, in fact to me, as a business owner, there isn't even anything to think about, it's a one second decision making process!

I do not believe we will spend £100m this summer, I think it's garbage. And anyway what happened to the view of evolution rather than revolution? Changing half the team in one go has never been successful, some will turn out to be duds and all will take time to gel. How do you maintain that huge camaraderie that was so much part of the success of the last few seasons with numerous new players?
If anybody could make me as much money as NC did for KL then I think I would stick with him. To say we just needed to push to the next level with another £50million or so is a bit simplistic though. We would also have had to up the wages of our existing squad in order to fend of the big club vultures. Even then as I have previously said we can't compete with them on the wages front. Some would still have moved on. Some of these players moving on will soon realise that they will be losing the togetherness and team ethic they had here. I suspect they will be comforted though when they check their bank balances every week.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in the Southampton owners and board. We appeared to have a desire and ambition with Cortese as chairman. We were targetting Champions League and enlarging the stadium. Poch was a good manager who left due to the lack of ambition by the owners. We employed a hockey coach as chairman who knows nothing about football. We let our talisman striker join Liverpool for a song! ( Cortese was reported to be selling him to West Ham for £10m). We then all bought our season tickets knowing that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren want out. We sign a foreign coach who knows nothing about our players, let alone any english talent we could buy like Danny Ings. We then read that Koeman will be given a transfer kitty if he sells Lallana and Shaw, apparently indicating no desire by the mega-rich owner to fund any more signings. We then read today that the deal with Man Utd is done at £27m when Koeman was reportedly insisting on £40m. We read that Koeman is considering buying a brazilian has-been Pelle to replace Lambert and yet another Italian to follow on from the Osvaldo fiasco. The only acquisition we made made thus far is new LED floodlights! I don't think they will help our league position next season! I'm very disappointed. I think our club is looking to continued Premiership status without any ambition to push on and compete with the bigger clubs and hold onto key players. Please lets have some shrewd youthful purchases of young up-and-coming stars not old mercenary has-beens from overseas. I would have offered Luke Shaw £100k p.w to stay. He is a fantastic talent who can become the face of Man Utd, the new Beckham. Good luck Luke you will be sadly missed, shame you couldn't have stayed a bit longer.[/p][/quote]Why are you being so supportive of Shaw, who turned his back on the club at the first chance, yet so negative about Koeman, who hasn't even got his feet under the table, yet?[/p][/quote]Probably because shaw didn't even request a transfer. Saints just took the money![/p][/quote]Shaw not putting in a transfer request doesn't mean he intended to stay. He NEVER once said he wanted to stay, and that's all it would have taken. He didn't hang around for the planned meeting with RoKo next week to discuss remaining here, he stated in a interview this week that he didn't necessarily need Champions League football, which he won't get with Man U this season, and he immediately changed his Twitter status to ManU player. Let's get real here. He wasn't forced into a move, and the Board did the best they could in the situation. Poch went for more money too, not for more ambition. We only ended up one place higher in his first season than we were when he came. We may well have done just as "well" with Adkins. Don't forget that Poch said he had been watching Saints for a while, showing that he had been colluding with Cortese for sometime. No doubt he was doing the same with Spurs.[/p][/quote]That's one view. Another is that Poch left, despite an offer of £6m a year, because he had principles and wasn't prepared to tolerate the club's U turn on the vision he had been sold, a lack of ambition - 'no new project' as he put it.[/p][/quote]"No new project" could be interpreted in two ways. Genuinely, no new project, as in rudderless ship, or same plan as before, therefore not new. Is your comment based on a chat with Jesus, who may be putting his own spin on things, to show MP in a good light? I'm sure that I read on another forum, that MP's staff were initially split, on the decision to move on, which if true, may indicate that they felt things hadn't really changed. Might also explain why, in MP's first English interview, for Spuds, he thanked his "loyal staff" for going with him.[/p][/quote]As has been said many times before NC had a vision for the club using somebody else's money. He sold this vision to MoPo an then moved on leaving the club in limbo. It was fairly obvious from MoPo's body language after this that he wouldn't be staying especially given the fact that he sidestepped every question.The fact is he sat down with the owner and her vision for the future didn't tie in with his vision of taking the club forward by spending her money. It's not the manager who decides the direction of the club. He is an employee. It's the owner. The board has consistently said that transfer proceeds will be ploughed back in and that they are looking to take the club forward. They may not achieve this but I for one believe it is their intention to try.[/p][/quote]We were so close to something with a team assembled for free or small amounts, that is the best chance Saints will have in decades and they appear to have facked it up. It was her fathers project not hers so I fully understand if she doesn't want to invest in it but don't understand why she didn't sell it, intact, to someone who does. You keep saying about Cortese spending other peoples money, and I appreciate he was highly paid, but he added value, he made her asset worth a lot more than was paid for it and subsequently invested in it with debt to equity. He made her a profit he didn't cost her money.[/p][/quote]I agree with you 100%. The team was very close to something special and it's a shame we couldn't keep it together. I don't have any objection to NC earning a very large wage either. He earned every penny of it and any owner should be delighted at the outcome, but that doesn't mean he was infallible and was incapable of making mistakes at a later date. I don't know, but there may well be a reason why KLis not selling. We don't know and probably never will know the provisions made in ML's will. He may, for instance, have requested that the club should not be sold for 5 years and that she should attempt to ensure the club's establishment at the upper end of the Premier League. What is certain though, is that we cannot compete with the likes of Manure Chelski etc etc on the wages front. Sure we could have held them to their contacts but are we really going to get 100% out of them when they know they can be earning millions more per annum at one of those clubs.Players come and go in every club. I really can't understand why everybody is so upset about us losing an 18 year old full back who has ony contributed one assist all season. He can be replaced for a lot less. Likewise with AL. I Cesc Fabregas is worth £30million Adam doesn't come close to him in valuation. I predict he will now become an also ran up amongst all the big egos. There may well be some more high profile exits to come yet which will push our transfer budget up towards £100mil. That's fantasy land for most Premier league sides. Obviously we need to get in very good replacements but I'm looking forward to another geat season head[/p][/quote]The loss of our three England stars is not the way to push the club forward. It is also the effect it has on the others and we could face a domino effect. It also affects the attitude of those we wish to sign up. The team did not need rebuilding it needed strengthening. Name me another team that has achieved top 8 finish in modern times with this: Boruc - free Clyne - £2m (Chambers - free) Shaw - free Fonte - £2m Lovren - £7m Morgan - £2m Jack - £750k Adam - free Davis - £2m Jay Rod - £7m Rickie - £1m That is truly breath taking, almost impossible to believe. Cheap as chips and massively successful. There are players in there who are now being sold for millions and who said they would stay if the club invested a bit to push on. We needed a GK, a CB and a striker - say £30 to 50m - to push on. You say NC wasn't infallible and might have gone on to make mistakes, well of course that's possible but if you were the owner would you run with someone who has proved to you consistent success over 5 years and who knows the structure inside out because he created it, or would you prefer an unknown who has no experience in this type of role? Personally I know which one I would run with, in fact to me, as a business owner, there isn't even anything to think about, it's a one second decision making process! I do not believe we will spend £100m this summer, I think it's garbage. And anyway what happened to the view of evolution rather than revolution? Changing half the team in one go has never been successful, some will turn out to be duds and all will take time to gel. How do you maintain that huge camaraderie that was so much part of the success of the last few seasons with numerous new players?[/p][/quote]If anybody could make me as much money as NC did for KL then I think I would stick with him. To say we just needed to push to the next level with another £50million or so is a bit simplistic though. We would also have had to up the wages of our existing squad in order to fend of the big club vultures. Even then as I have previously said we can't compete with them on the wages front. Some would still have moved on. Some of these players moving on will soon realise that they will be losing the togetherness and team ethic they had here. I suspect they will be comforted though when they check their bank balances every week. Clever Dick
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11:58am Sat 28 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

redandy10 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?
I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far.
And it ain't over yet......
Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!!
The difference here is that we were sad to get it wrong, you are enjoying every moment of getting right, but is that a good way to support your club? I think not.
We are all very sad that you got it wrong. Maybe it's time to wake up and stop getting it wrong now?
Thanks that was a great help. Not.
Those who truly love the club will post their true feelings, even if they are pessimistic. If something matters to you and you can see things happening which are going to have an adverse effect on it, the expected response will be to voice your concerns.

I question just how much posters like you and cabbie actually support the club. We were SO CLOSE to establishing ourselves as a major Premiership player, only to see a series of events jeopardise this, so the likes of Costa, Seed and myself voiced our worries and frustrations. BECAUSE THE CLUB MEANS SOMETHING TO US!!!

What did you lot do? Have a go at us and make glib little comments to the effect of "why are you call being so negative", "they have contracts" and the classic "Les Reed said".

Do you lot actually have a vested interest in the club or are you on here to kill a bit of time?
Ah I see my little stalker cant stop talking about me!
By his/her/its own logic then I must mean so much to him/her/it!
Yet again he/her/it questions the level of support of people who don't see things the way they do! 'Oh the club cant mean that much to you if you don't see doom and gloom everywhere or criticise every action of the board!' 'You cant be real fans if you don't think the club is going to sell all its players!' 'Oh woe is me! Why am I such a huge fan whilst others aren't!' 'I'm such a bigger and better fan than you!'. Pathetic!
Next he/she/it will be claiming that if you don't go to all the games your not a proper fan.
Osprey, people like you me Strasbourg, Costa baz, mush, stretching and seed, and loads of others, all see things differently but are all fans of the club and want it to succeed. We come on here to air our views about all topics saints related, good bad or different, and we can all spot a skate sum at 5 paces! I do wonder why some people only see the bad in everything and only bother to post on this site when bad stories are published. These people don't congratulate the team if we win but are quick to criticise the team, manager and board if we lose! They then question people like us! Total joke!
They also cant debate their arguments, are always correct and love to say 'told you so'.
Well when it comes to Luke and Lalla leaving I think we all knew they would go, the les reed statements never said they wouldn't! What I/we said was that the club could keep the players if it really wanted, I/we also said that they wouldn't be sold until after the world cup, 'told you so! We also said that they wouldn't be sold unless the new manager agreed, basically everything the club has said! So far every statement from the club has been right, apart from Rickie leaving which was a special case and people seem to forget that he asked to go!
We now have to trust that the club will reinvest the money from the sales into new players, after all they have told us they will, they also told us that we would get a top quality manager, and we have! I still believe that if koeman wanted Luke and/or Lalla to stay then they wouldn't have been sold. And thats the point about contracts that redandy cant seem to understand! He/she/it seems to think that no club can keep any player if they want to go, despite being given a comprehensive list of players who have wanted to leave but where stopped!
I will leave redandy and the other 'real supporters' to congratulate themselves over their oh so difficult predictions, give yourselves a big pat on the back! When the club start bringing in good replacements I expect they will start to wallow in their own self pity again, remember unless the turn up to tell us how bad these players are, we wont see them again until we lose a game!
Have fun wums!
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: I don't believe it, it's just your run of the mill newspaper gossip. Why he has a contract and Les Reed SAID. DE are you calling Les Reed a liar?[/p][/quote]I hate being proved right,but me, you, and seed have called all this right so far. And it ain't over yet......[/p][/quote]Exactly! The one positive is that those who spouted so much guff on this subject and accused us of just being negative are lying low today. They were adamant, but yet again they got it spectacularly wrong. How they always have the front to post such rabid propaganda, get it wrong, and then come back with more of the same is comical!!! Why would anyone take their views and predictions seriously if they are continually WRONG!!![/p][/quote]The difference here is that we were sad to get it wrong, you are enjoying every moment of getting right, but is that a good way to support your club? I think not.[/p][/quote]We are all very sad that you got it wrong. Maybe it's time to wake up and stop getting it wrong now?[/p][/quote]Thanks that was a great help. Not.[/p][/quote]Those who truly love the club will post their true feelings, even if they are pessimistic. If something matters to you and you can see things happening which are going to have an adverse effect on it, the expected response will be to voice your concerns. I question just how much posters like you and cabbie actually support the club. We were SO CLOSE to establishing ourselves as a major Premiership player, only to see a series of events jeopardise this, so the likes of Costa, Seed and myself voiced our worries and frustrations. BECAUSE THE CLUB MEANS SOMETHING TO US!!! What did you lot do? Have a go at us and make glib little comments to the effect of "why are you call being so negative", "they have contracts" and the classic "Les Reed said". Do you lot actually have a vested interest in the club or are you on here to kill a bit of time?[/p][/quote]Ah I see my little stalker cant stop talking about me! By his/her/its own logic then I must mean so much to him/her/it! Yet again he/her/it questions the level of support of people who don't see things the way they do! 'Oh the club cant mean that much to you if you don't see doom and gloom everywhere or criticise every action of the board!' 'You cant be real fans if you don't think the club is going to sell all its players!' 'Oh woe is me! Why am I such a huge fan whilst others aren't!' 'I'm such a bigger and better fan than you!'. Pathetic! Next he/she/it will be claiming that if you don't go to all the games your not a proper fan. Osprey, people like you me Strasbourg, Costa baz, mush, stretching and seed, and loads of others, all see things differently but are all fans of the club and want it to succeed. We come on here to air our views about all topics saints related, good bad or different, and we can all spot a skate sum at 5 paces! I do wonder why some people only see the bad in everything and only bother to post on this site when bad stories are published. These people don't congratulate the team if we win but are quick to criticise the team, manager and board if we lose! They then question people like us! Total joke! They also cant debate their arguments, are always correct and love to say 'told you so'. Well when it comes to Luke and Lalla leaving I think we all knew they would go, the les reed statements never said they wouldn't! What I/we said was that the club could keep the players if it really wanted, I/we also said that they wouldn't be sold until after the world cup, 'told you so! We also said that they wouldn't be sold unless the new manager agreed, basically everything the club has said! So far every statement from the club has been right, apart from Rickie leaving which was a special case and people seem to forget that he asked to go! We now have to trust that the club will reinvest the money from the sales into new players, after all they have told us they will, they also told us that we would get a top quality manager, and we have! I still believe that if koeman wanted Luke and/or Lalla to stay then they wouldn't have been sold. And thats the point about contracts that redandy cant seem to understand! He/she/it seems to think that no club can keep any player if they want to go, despite being given a comprehensive list of players who have wanted to leave but where stopped! I will leave redandy and the other 'real supporters' to congratulate themselves over their oh so difficult predictions, give yourselves a big pat on the back! When the club start bringing in good replacements I expect they will start to wallow in their own self pity again, remember unless the turn up to tell us how bad these players are, we wont see them again until we lose a game! Have fun wums! de Heiligen paard 101
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12:58pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Mister E says...

szent8 wrote:
Looking forward to celebrating his career ending injury, along with the other traitorous scum. COYR
Moron.
[quote][p][bold]szent8[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to celebrating his career ending injury, along with the other traitorous scum. COYR[/p][/quote]Moron. Mister E
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1:49pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Money for nothing cheques for free comes to my mind!
Money for nothing cheques for free comes to my mind! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 1

3:24pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Alex297 says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
IF LALA goes - OFFICIALLY there are NO MORE GOALS left in our Team having stripped Punch - Lambert and now Adam.

WE MUST BUY PROLIFIC GOAL SCORING OPTIONS
He is irreplaceable ! biggest loss so far ! If board is quick enough Luke Shaws replacement is available naming Mehrdad Pooladi Iran left back who is keen to play in Premier league ,the 27 years old who is named 29th best player in this world cup by FIFA is a target for Dinamo Kiev as well.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: IF LALA goes - OFFICIALLY there are NO MORE GOALS left in our Team having stripped Punch - Lambert and now Adam. WE MUST BUY PROLIFIC GOAL SCORING OPTIONS[/p][/quote]He is irreplaceable ! biggest loss so far ! If board is quick enough Luke Shaws replacement is available naming Mehrdad Pooladi Iran left back who is keen to play in Premier league ,the 27 years old who is named 29th best player in this world cup by FIFA is a target for Dinamo Kiev as well. Alex297
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4:18pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Beer Monster says...

Finally made it through this thread. WTF? I see we've picked up a fellow Hythian, shame that they appear to be a complete numbnut
Finally made it through this thread. WTF? I see we've picked up a fellow Hythian, shame that they appear to be a complete numbnut Beer Monster
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5:54pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Wagon painted says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe.
I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts
When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.
Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off.

If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.
U going to do it then........ Big man
You're up late.
You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.
You first Rocky.......
Well Winchester What What old chap. I take it you are a happy clapper that is not welcome at our club.
And may one suggest old chap you support your own city/farm.
I live in Hythe only a small place surely not to intimidating for a big inbreed like your self to come and have ago.
St winch I think you might be waisting your time on this one mate
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: if anyone wants to give shaw a parting smack before he goes he lives in dibden near Hythe. I put on this site a few weeks ago that all the time Les Reed is working at Southampton we will be F@cked all I got was thumb down from the happy clappers on here. Tw@ts When you support your local club you live and die for your club and city not sit and clap then hide.[/p][/quote]Well thought out post. Why would any sensible Saints fan want to hit an 18 year old kid, who is taking an opportunity in his relatively short career of choice. He could have went last year, but chose to stay and sign a contract, if he had not signed that contract Saints would be circa 25 mil worse off. If anyone could do with a slap it would be moronic little dumbåsses like you.[/p][/quote]U going to do it then........ Big man[/p][/quote]You're up late.[/p][/quote]You are **** it. I am up for it.... come on number, name and place back it up.[/p][/quote]You first Rocky.......[/p][/quote]Well Winchester What What old chap. I take it you are a happy clapper that is not welcome at our club. And may one suggest old chap you support your own city/farm. I live in Hythe only a small place surely not to intimidating for a big inbreed like your self to come and have ago.[/p][/quote]St winch I think you might be waisting your time on this one mate Wagon painted
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