Southampton defender Luke Shaw set for medical at Manchester United ahead of a proposed transfer

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Saints left-back Luke Shaw is due to have a medical at Manchester United ahead of a proposed transfer to Old Trafford.

The 18-year-old defender is expected to travel to the north west shortly, as he looks to complete a switch for around £30m.

Talks between Saints and United are believed to have taken place in the past few days, and an agreement now looks close to being finalised.

As revealed by the Daily Echo earlier this month, Shaw informed the club that he wished to leave St Mary's this summer.

United initially submitted an offer worth a potential £27m - although with far less guaranteed money than that headline figure - following the conclusion of the Premier League season, but negotiations were put on hold until a new manager was in place at St Mary's and the World Cup was over.

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7:43pm Thu 26 Jun 14

insider1234 says...

Money money money money, lets use it to buy more players like J Rod, Jack Cork, Davis, Lovern and Clyne who are all statistically much better players. Shaw is good, but he is only potential at the minute.
If it is over 30m it is an incredible amount for a left back.
Money money money money, lets use it to buy more players like J Rod, Jack Cork, Davis, Lovern and Clyne who are all statistically much better players. Shaw is good, but he is only potential at the minute. If it is over 30m it is an incredible amount for a left back. insider1234
  • Score: 44

7:50pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Outside of the Box says...

I'd drive him there for that money. Hope Ronald brings on Marty Targett to replace Luke. Bet there won't be sell clause inserted. Hardly a.surprise.
I'd drive him there for that money. Hope Ronald brings on Marty Targett to replace Luke. Bet there won't be sell clause inserted. Hardly a.surprise. Outside of the Box
  • Score: -7

7:55pm Thu 26 Jun 14

richard903 says...

Good luck son, thank you for last season, I hope you are not making a mistake, I suppose with £100,000 a week in your back pocket it will seem great. Lets hope the club spend the fee wisely
Good luck son, thank you for last season, I hope you are not making a mistake, I suppose with £100,000 a week in your back pocket it will seem great. Lets hope the club spend the fee wisely richard903
  • Score: 12

7:58pm Thu 26 Jun 14

richard903 says...

I have just seen Morgans Village on the French news the whole village watched the match in the local cinema on the big screen, the french are saying great things about him
I have just seen Morgans Village on the French news the whole village watched the match in the local cinema on the big screen, the french are saying great things about him richard903
  • Score: 51

7:58pm Thu 26 Jun 14

echo1948 says...

How many more now the ball,s started rolling? At the end of the day what is the point of being in the Premier League? I,ll bet he didn,t even speak to RK.Very disappointed.
How many more now the ball,s started rolling? At the end of the day what is the point of being in the Premier League? I,ll bet he didn,t even speak to RK.Very disappointed. echo1948
  • Score: 34

7:59pm Thu 26 Jun 14

saintbobby says...

So perhaps this is Ron's decision and obviously he can use this transfer fee, as promised by Les, to the advantage of the Saints.

That suits me just fine and I look forward to see how much we get and how it is spent.

But I hope the others in the news are persuaded to stay. They are important.

Up the Saints!
So perhaps this is Ron's decision and obviously he can use this transfer fee, as promised by Les, to the advantage of the Saints. That suits me just fine and I look forward to see how much we get and how it is spent. But I hope the others in the news are persuaded to stay. They are important. Up the Saints! saintbobby
  • Score: 29

8:00pm Thu 26 Jun 14

SnapperSaint says...

Just accepting the inevitable I guess and who can blame an 18 year old wanting to move to (what he thinks is) a bigger club.
Thing is, he won't Champions League football for at least a season so why the rush...
Just accepting the inevitable I guess and who can blame an 18 year old wanting to move to (what he thinks is) a bigger club. Thing is, he won't Champions League football for at least a season so why the rush... SnapperSaint
  • Score: 23

8:00pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Wembley76 says...

Excellent money for a left back. no matter what potential....the proceeds can enable RK to strengthen LB / CB & GK positions....good business....and you can't blame the lad for being ambitious....the important thing is for RK to start rebuilding, and retaining the 'core'. Frankly I feel sure AL will depart as well, which would provide more funds to strengthen midfield and replace RL with Pelle ++..exciting season ahead....
Excellent money for a left back. no matter what potential....the proceeds can enable RK to strengthen LB / CB & GK positions....good business....and you can't blame the lad for being ambitious....the important thing is for RK to start rebuilding, and retaining the 'core'. Frankly I feel sure AL will depart as well, which would provide more funds to strengthen midfield and replace RL with Pelle ++..exciting season ahead.... Wembley76
  • Score: 27

8:02pm Thu 26 Jun 14

markodarko29 says...

Yeh a good player but at the same age I think bale was far superior ,if the money offered is above the 30m mark this is a great deal for saints and cannot be turned down ,hope the money is spent wisely
Yeh a good player but at the same age I think bale was far superior ,if the money offered is above the 30m mark this is a great deal for saints and cannot be turned down ,hope the money is spent wisely markodarko29
  • Score: 27

8:09pm Thu 26 Jun 14

St Van Roetford says...

Oh Luke. You'll regret this. Manchester is, like really sh1t. They put gravy on their chips and would rather sit around drinking tea than do literally anything. Still, it's your call.
Oh Luke. You'll regret this. Manchester is, like really sh1t. They put gravy on their chips and would rather sit around drinking tea than do literally anything. Still, it's your call. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 43

8:10pm Thu 26 Jun 14

insider1234 says...

markodarko29 wrote:
Yeh a good player but at the same age I think bale was far superior ,if the money offered is above the 30m mark this is a great deal for saints and cannot be turned down ,hope the money is spent wisely
Wayne Bridge wasn't bad either, his career tailed off after an amazing start. His fell apart after he moved to Manchester.........
[quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: Yeh a good player but at the same age I think bale was far superior ,if the money offered is above the 30m mark this is a great deal for saints and cannot be turned down ,hope the money is spent wisely[/p][/quote]Wayne Bridge wasn't bad either, his career tailed off after an amazing start. His fell apart after he moved to Manchester......... insider1234
  • Score: 25

8:12pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Wagon painted says...

As I said when we were looking for a new manager,let the want aways go on our terms and give RK the biggest budget we've ever had.Im more excited who's coming in than who's going.No player stays at any team long when the agent can make good money by moving them on
As I said when we were looking for a new manager,let the want aways go on our terms and give RK the biggest budget we've ever had.Im more excited who's coming in than who's going.No player stays at any team long when the agent can make good money by moving them on Wagon painted
  • Score: 25

8:13pm Thu 26 Jun 14

insider1234 says...

SnapperSaint wrote:
Just accepting the inevitable I guess and who can blame an 18 year old wanting to move to (what he thinks is) a bigger club.
Thing is, he won't Champions League football for at least a season so why the rush...
I love saints as much as than anyone but even I concede Manchester Utd are a bigger club!
[quote][p][bold]SnapperSaint[/bold] wrote: Just accepting the inevitable I guess and who can blame an 18 year old wanting to move to (what he thinks is) a bigger club. Thing is, he won't Champions League football for at least a season so why the rush...[/p][/quote]I love saints as much as than anyone but even I concede Manchester Utd are a bigger club! insider1234
  • Score: -11

8:13pm Thu 26 Jun 14

SnapperSaint says...

It's what happens in football and in life, things change people move on, but Saints will still be there and will come out all the stronger for it!
..and £30M better off let's not forget... just hope it ALL gets re-invested in some Dutch hot shots!
It's what happens in football and in life, things change people move on, but Saints will still be there and will come out all the stronger for it! ..and £30M better off let's not forget... just hope it ALL gets re-invested in some Dutch hot shots! SnapperSaint
  • Score: 20

8:13pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

The Echo isn't specific about the source of this information...is it still just speculation?
The Echo isn't specific about the source of this information...is it still just speculation? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -5

8:14pm Thu 26 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

That sort of money for an 18 year old left back is to good to turn down I'm afraid and it is no use making him stay if he does not want to stay. I think deep down he was hoping Chelsea might bid for him but that did not happen so he has opted for Man Utd. As long as big Ron gets to buy a decent replacement then saints should be ok COYR.
That sort of money for an 18 year old left back is to good to turn down I'm afraid and it is no use making him stay if he does not want to stay. I think deep down he was hoping Chelsea might bid for him but that did not happen so he has opted for Man Utd. As long as big Ron gets to buy a decent replacement then saints should be ok COYR. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 13

8:17pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Invidia says...

£30,000000 for a 19yr old LB Is fantastic money, I suspect MU will play him in midfield with Evre at LB if it works £30,000000 is a good price to pay, you only have to look at Bale.
£30,000000 for a 19yr old LB Is fantastic money, I suspect MU will play him in midfield with Evre at LB if it works £30,000000 is a good price to pay, you only have to look at Bale. Invidia
  • Score: -2

8:17pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Dave Brown says...

Well the new Manager must have sat down with Luke Shaw and discussed his future for a long period time considering Luke Shaw only arrived back in the country yesterday.
I wonder how many more done deals will surface during the next week or so?.
Roy Hodgson along with The Daily Mail have certainly been successful in destroying the basis of our team.
Roy will have to go and carry out his scouting missions at other grounds now,I would suggest the board issues a ban on him visiting St Mary's.
Well the new Manager must have sat down with Luke Shaw and discussed his future for a long period time considering Luke Shaw only arrived back in the country yesterday. I wonder how many more done deals will surface during the next week or so?. Roy Hodgson along with The Daily Mail have certainly been successful in destroying the basis of our team. Roy will have to go and carry out his scouting missions at other grounds now,I would suggest the board issues a ban on him visiting St Mary's. Dave Brown
  • Score: 39

8:19pm Thu 26 Jun 14

TGodSFC says...

It's not just speculation, it's true I'm afraid, sources Adam blackmore plus others on Twitter. It's all good though, kolodziejczak talks are going to happen apparently in for 6M plus we can spend the rest others.
It's not just speculation, it's true I'm afraid, sources Adam blackmore plus others on Twitter. It's all good though, kolodziejczak talks are going to happen apparently in for 6M plus we can spend the rest others. TGodSFC
  • Score: 10

8:22pm Thu 26 Jun 14

mc_kni says...

Hope we have a sell on clause
Hope we have a sell on clause mc_kni
  • Score: 24

8:26pm Thu 26 Jun 14

brighton saint says...

Deffo cash in on the teenager...not in the same league as Bale was at this age so good to see us ripping off the Mancs after we got done by The Spuds and that fool Lowe on the Bale deal....waiting in excitement to see who RoKo brings in...players that want to play for us and not those who think they are too good to be at our beaut club...Shaw has a very short memory but hey he can now pay for as many three somes as he likes...heard its all the rage up in Manc land...just ask Shrek and Giggs !!!
Deffo cash in on the teenager...not in the same league as Bale was at this age so good to see us ripping off the Mancs after we got done by The Spuds and that fool Lowe on the Bale deal....waiting in excitement to see who RoKo brings in...players that want to play for us and not those who think they are too good to be at our beaut club...Shaw has a very short memory but hey he can now pay for as many three somes as he likes...heard its all the rage up in Manc land...just ask Shrek and Giggs !!! brighton saint
  • Score: 5

8:26pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Wagon painted says...

mc_kni wrote:
Hope we have a sell on clause
Or maybe buy back clause when he's home sick
[quote][p][bold]mc_kni[/bold] wrote: Hope we have a sell on clause[/p][/quote]Or maybe buy back clause when he's home sick Wagon painted
  • Score: 10

8:33pm Thu 26 Jun 14

bullsbags says...

VERY DISSAPOINTING
It p!sses me off.We have a great academy ,produce these players and after
30 games they just walk away. You can argue that 30 mill is a lot of money for a teenager,it is but that's not the point
I could stomach it more if it was Adam,he has given us 5 or 6 years great service but Shaw has given us 6 months
He can crash and burn as far as I'm concerned,money grabbing teenage brat!
VERY DISSAPOINTING It p!sses me off.We have a great academy ,produce these players and after 30 games they just walk away. You can argue that 30 mill is a lot of money for a teenager,it is but that's not the point I could stomach it more if it was Adam,he has given us 5 or 6 years great service but Shaw has given us 6 months He can crash and burn as far as I'm concerned,money grabbing teenage brat! bullsbags
  • Score: 56

8:34pm Thu 26 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

TGodSFC wrote:
It's not just speculation, it's true I'm afraid, sources Adam blackmore plus others on Twitter. It's all good though, kolodziejczak talks are going to happen apparently in for 6M plus we can spend the rest others.
it might well be true but adam blackmore has been wrong in the past, he said MP was going to sign a new contract a couple of days before he left!
its a hell of a lot of money for a left back but I cant believe we are weakening our team to strengthen a rival.
I hope that koeman has a very good replacement lined up and we start to see some players coming in.
only time will tell if its a good move for us, not bothered if its a good move for him. I just hope this is the last player we sell as it will be a hard season if we break up such a good young squad.
we all know these things happen in football but it doesn't make it easier to take. I just hope all the money is reinvested in the squad.
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: It's not just speculation, it's true I'm afraid, sources Adam blackmore plus others on Twitter. It's all good though, kolodziejczak talks are going to happen apparently in for 6M plus we can spend the rest others.[/p][/quote]it might well be true but adam blackmore has been wrong in the past, he said MP was going to sign a new contract a couple of days before he left! its a hell of a lot of money for a left back but I cant believe we are weakening our team to strengthen a rival. I hope that koeman has a very good replacement lined up and we start to see some players coming in. only time will tell if its a good move for us, not bothered if its a good move for him. I just hope this is the last player we sell as it will be a hard season if we break up such a good young squad. we all know these things happen in football but it doesn't make it easier to take. I just hope all the money is reinvested in the squad. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 7

8:36pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Jonny7oma says...

The most important thing is to get shot of anyone who doesn't want to play for us, that includes Lallana if he doesn't want to be a saint any more. I don't want any of them to go but it always happens once they get into the England bubble (Shearer and Flowers also spring to mind). And lets not forget that the whole Saints academy thing invites pushy parents of talented youngsters to get them brought on before going to their 'dream' club or for some massive monetary move. Now all our youngsters will be mapping out their 'dream' move to elsewhere once they get regulars in the first team. I'm only jealous really because Like Gerrard, I'm fcukin useless too.
The most important thing is to get shot of anyone who doesn't want to play for us, that includes Lallana if he doesn't want to be a saint any more. I don't want any of them to go but it always happens once they get into the England bubble (Shearer and Flowers also spring to mind). And lets not forget that the whole Saints academy thing invites pushy parents of talented youngsters to get them brought on before going to their 'dream' club or for some massive monetary move. Now all our youngsters will be mapping out their 'dream' move to elsewhere once they get regulars in the first team. I'm only jealous really because Like Gerrard, I'm fcukin useless too. Jonny7oma
  • Score: 22

8:37pm Thu 26 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

Dave Brown wrote:
Well the new Manager must have sat down with Luke Shaw and discussed his future for a long period time considering Luke Shaw only arrived back in the country yesterday.
I wonder how many more done deals will surface during the next week or so?.
Roy Hodgson along with The Daily Mail have certainly been successful in destroying the basis of our team.
Roy will have to go and carry out his scouting missions at other grounds now,I would suggest the board issues a ban on him visiting St Mary's.
It does not take long to ask a player if he wants to stay or go, he probably made his mind up when he was in Brazil with Woy and the rest of the over hyped players.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Brown[/bold] wrote: Well the new Manager must have sat down with Luke Shaw and discussed his future for a long period time considering Luke Shaw only arrived back in the country yesterday. I wonder how many more done deals will surface during the next week or so?. Roy Hodgson along with The Daily Mail have certainly been successful in destroying the basis of our team. Roy will have to go and carry out his scouting missions at other grounds now,I would suggest the board issues a ban on him visiting St Mary's.[/p][/quote]It does not take long to ask a player if he wants to stay or go, he probably made his mind up when he was in Brazil with Woy and the rest of the over hyped players. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 32

8:38pm Thu 26 Jun 14

angus mc coatup says...

TGodSFC wrote:
It's not just speculation, it's true I'm afraid, sources Adam blackmore plus others on Twitter. It's all good though, kolodziejczak talks are going to happen apparently in for 6M plus we can spend the rest others.
Kolodziejczak for 6 million.............
.is that pounds, or a scrabble score.
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: It's not just speculation, it's true I'm afraid, sources Adam blackmore plus others on Twitter. It's all good though, kolodziejczak talks are going to happen apparently in for 6M plus we can spend the rest others.[/p][/quote]Kolodziejczak for 6 million............. .is that pounds, or a scrabble score. angus mc coatup
  • Score: 22

8:39pm Thu 26 Jun 14

M.U.CS1 says...

Going to a bigger club and who could blame him, first of many to leave for better things that's for Shaw. ha ha ha ha
Going to a bigger club and who could blame him, first of many to leave for better things that's for Shaw. ha ha ha ha M.U.CS1
  • Score: -34

8:41pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Going to a bigger club and who could blame him, first of many to leave for better things that's for Shaw. ha ha ha ha
Who told you he was going to Barcelona?
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Going to a bigger club and who could blame him, first of many to leave for better things that's for Shaw. ha ha ha ha[/p][/quote]Who told you he was going to Barcelona? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 53

8:45pm Thu 26 Jun 14

NewForestStu says...

I'll be Shaw to boo him off the park when he returns to SMS. What is the point of it all....got me ST but is there really any point to this game anymore. Not that fussec on him going but the fact we nurtured the lad and at the first sniff he is off. Get stuffed nipper...the grass aint always greener.
I'll be Shaw to boo him off the park when he returns to SMS. What is the point of it all....got me ST but is there really any point to this game anymore. Not that fussec on him going but the fact we nurtured the lad and at the first sniff he is off. Get stuffed nipper...the grass aint always greener. NewForestStu
  • Score: 23

8:47pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Confucious says...

Ah well - Luke certainly paid back the club for the year's Saints invested in him. In one fell swoop that £30m pays for the entire investment in the new Staplewood facility.
Ah well - Luke certainly paid back the club for the year's Saints invested in him. In one fell swoop that £30m pays for the entire investment in the new Staplewood facility. Confucious
  • Score: 41

8:50pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Clever Dick says...

£30 million is a great deal. Let's hear no more carp about difficult financial situations please. 2 or 3 good players can be got with that money. Luke flatters to deceive. One assist all season from a wing back falls seriously short of what is required. I'd go as far as to say he is the most easily replaceable player of our regular starting 11. Need to keep our best mid fielders, both RBs. and JayRod. If Lovren goes we need top dollar. No less than £20million. He can be replaced for that kind of money. And get Jack Cork signed up long term. What are we messing about over that one ffs.
£30 million is a great deal. Let's hear no more carp about difficult financial situations please. 2 or 3 good players can be got with that money. Luke flatters to deceive. One assist all season from a wing back falls seriously short of what is required. I'd go as far as to say he is the most easily replaceable player of our regular starting 11. Need to keep our best mid fielders, both RBs. and JayRod. If Lovren goes we need top dollar. No less than £20million. He can be replaced for that kind of money. And get Jack Cork signed up long term. What are we messing about over that one ffs. Clever Dick
  • Score: 23

8:53pm Thu 26 Jun 14

sisaydo1 says...

Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!!
Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!! sisaydo1
  • Score: 4

8:57pm Thu 26 Jun 14

bullsbags says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Going to a bigger club and who could blame him, first of many to leave for better things that's for Shaw. ha ha ha ha
You must be so excited at the thought of watching him next season ,on TV of coarse as I imagine you live down South and have never been to old Trafford
And a big thanks to your magnificent club for going another 30 mill in debt,must be approaching A BILLION by now ffs
O and a big thank you,you have just paid for our academy ha
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Going to a bigger club and who could blame him, first of many to leave for better things that's for Shaw. ha ha ha ha[/p][/quote]You must be so excited at the thought of watching him next season ,on TV of coarse as I imagine you live down South and have never been to old Trafford And a big thanks to your magnificent club for going another 30 mill in debt,must be approaching A BILLION by now ffs O and a big thank you,you have just paid for our academy ha bullsbags
  • Score: 19

9:00pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

richard903 wrote:
I have just seen Morgans Village on the French news the whole village watched the match in the local cinema on the big screen, the french are saying great things about him
I missed a trick there. I should have put on my Saints shirt and driven down for the evening. Let's hope he gets another match.
[quote][p][bold]richard903[/bold] wrote: I have just seen Morgans Village on the French news the whole village watched the match in the local cinema on the big screen, the french are saying great things about him[/p][/quote]I missed a trick there. I should have put on my Saints shirt and driven down for the evening. Let's hope he gets another match. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 7

9:03pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Zippo1 says...

Let him go, we want players who want to play for the club. 30 million is fantastic business for the club, greed as we know rules some peoples minds and I'm sure his agents. See ya and all the best at plastic manc u. Small fish etc etc
Let him go, we want players who want to play for the club. 30 million is fantastic business for the club, greed as we know rules some peoples minds and I'm sure his agents. See ya and all the best at plastic manc u. Small fish etc etc Zippo1
  • Score: 10

9:04pm Thu 26 Jun 14

killared says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Going to a bigger club and who could blame him, first of many to leave for better things that's for Shaw. ha ha ha ha
No champions League , Rooney on 300K per week, Rooney past his best, RVP refuse to play for Moyes last season, an average team . The future is no bright for Manchester diving academy ! . Oh sorry yes is bright for Manchester City ahahahahah
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Going to a bigger club and who could blame him, first of many to leave for better things that's for Shaw. ha ha ha ha[/p][/quote]No champions League , Rooney on 300K per week, Rooney past his best, RVP refuse to play for Moyes last season, an average team . The future is no bright for Manchester diving academy ! . Oh sorry yes is bright for Manchester City ahahahahah killared
  • Score: 7

9:06pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Wagon painted says...

sisaydo1 wrote:
Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!!
Maybe if we can achieve CL football then we would have more of a chance of keeping talent.Before LS started biting people he's rumoured to go to a bigger club it's not just Saints.People forget that not long ago we were playing in the lower leagues.To be where we are is remarkable .So now players take there option of moving.Nothing good lasts forever.Be excited as We hopefully build again and beat the big clubs former players opted to move to.
[quote][p][bold]sisaydo1[/bold] wrote: Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!![/p][/quote]Maybe if we can achieve CL football then we would have more of a chance of keeping talent.Before LS started biting people he's rumoured to go to a bigger club it's not just Saints.People forget that not long ago we were playing in the lower leagues.To be where we are is remarkable .So now players take there option of moving.Nothing good lasts forever.Be excited as We hopefully build again and beat the big clubs former players opted to move to. Wagon painted
  • Score: 9

9:16pm Thu 26 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Jonny7oma wrote:
The most important thing is to get shot of anyone who doesn't want to play for us, that includes Lallana if he doesn't want to be a saint any more. I don't want any of them to go but it always happens once they get into the England bubble (Shearer and Flowers also spring to mind). And lets not forget that the whole Saints academy thing invites pushy parents of talented youngsters to get them brought on before going to their 'dream' club or for some massive monetary move. Now all our youngsters will be mapping out their 'dream' move to elsewhere once they get regulars in the first team. I'm only jealous really because Like Gerrard, I'm fcukin useless too.
the problem with that attitude is that if all the players who come through our academy say they want to leave after a year there would be no point in training them. we would also have to deal with losing our best players year after year. kids would join our academy knowing that if they make it they only have to mention leaving and they will be off. yes we would have a lot of money but whats the point in having money if you lose your best players?
its all well and good saying get rid of players who don't want to be here and bring in some that do, but how many of our players would stay if they were offered a `big` move. none of our players are supporters of the club and even if we did bring in players who `wanted` to be here how long before they get fed up with the club selling its best players year after year?
telling payers all they have to do is ask to leave and they can go would see nearly every player asking to go. why would they stay at a club that wont fight to keep them?
[quote][p][bold]Jonny7oma[/bold] wrote: The most important thing is to get shot of anyone who doesn't want to play for us, that includes Lallana if he doesn't want to be a saint any more. I don't want any of them to go but it always happens once they get into the England bubble (Shearer and Flowers also spring to mind). And lets not forget that the whole Saints academy thing invites pushy parents of talented youngsters to get them brought on before going to their 'dream' club or for some massive monetary move. Now all our youngsters will be mapping out their 'dream' move to elsewhere once they get regulars in the first team. I'm only jealous really because Like Gerrard, I'm fcukin useless too.[/p][/quote]the problem with that attitude is that if all the players who come through our academy say they want to leave after a year there would be no point in training them. we would also have to deal with losing our best players year after year. kids would join our academy knowing that if they make it they only have to mention leaving and they will be off. yes we would have a lot of money but whats the point in having money if you lose your best players? its all well and good saying get rid of players who don't want to be here and bring in some that do, but how many of our players would stay if they were offered a `big` move. none of our players are supporters of the club and even if we did bring in players who `wanted` to be here how long before they get fed up with the club selling its best players year after year? telling payers all they have to do is ask to leave and they can go would see nearly every player asking to go. why would they stay at a club that wont fight to keep them? de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 14

9:17pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Shareholder says...

Until some drastic action is taken as happened in the NFL then the big boys will continue to dominate. The Premier League isn't a national competition it's a world wide media circus and brand. It will always favour the few and never support the development of the national team. I'm trying to remain positive but we look like we'll have to rebuild again soon and that takes time. I look forward to the new season as I always do but like many I have a sour taste in my mouth watching players line up to leave. A case of so near yet Oh so far. Not been the greatest summer football wise.
Until some drastic action is taken as happened in the NFL then the big boys will continue to dominate. The Premier League isn't a national competition it's a world wide media circus and brand. It will always favour the few and never support the development of the national team. I'm trying to remain positive but we look like we'll have to rebuild again soon and that takes time. I look forward to the new season as I always do but like many I have a sour taste in my mouth watching players line up to leave. A case of so near yet Oh so far. Not been the greatest summer football wise. Shareholder
  • Score: 11

9:19pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Confucious wrote:
Ah well - Luke certainly paid back the club for the year's Saints invested in him. In one fell swoop that £30m pays for the entire investment in the new Staplewood facility.
Yep. Given our 'awkward' and 'difficult' financial situation seems this deal was done without involving the new manager who obviously hasn't met up with Shaw. I don't think he will be the last to go. What was it Jesus said? Ah yes, MoPo was trying to persuade the board to do the right thing otherwise the players would leave but if they wouldn't then he too would leave. Still, none as blind as those that cannot see.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Ah well - Luke certainly paid back the club for the year's Saints invested in him. In one fell swoop that £30m pays for the entire investment in the new Staplewood facility.[/p][/quote]Yep. Given our 'awkward' and 'difficult' financial situation seems this deal was done without involving the new manager who obviously hasn't met up with Shaw. I don't think he will be the last to go. What was it Jesus said? Ah yes, MoPo was trying to persuade the board to do the right thing otherwise the players would leave but if they wouldn't then he too would leave. Still, none as blind as those that cannot see. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -3

9:26pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Feebee43 says...

£30 million that's a big pressure for an 18 year old. I think of those who have gone for mega bucks and ended up flat on their faces....Kevin Davies, James Beattie just to name 2.
Good luck Luke.
£30 million that's a big pressure for an 18 year old. I think of those who have gone for mega bucks and ended up flat on their faces....Kevin Davies, James Beattie just to name 2. Good luck Luke. Feebee43
  • Score: 2

9:28pm Thu 26 Jun 14

SouthLondonSaint says...

Dave Brown wrote:
Well the new Manager must have sat down with Luke Shaw and discussed his future for a long period time considering Luke Shaw only arrived back in the country yesterday.
I wonder how many more done deals will surface during the next week or so?.
Roy Hodgson along with The Daily Mail have certainly been successful in destroying the basis of our team.
Roy will have to go and carry out his scouting missions at other grounds now,I would suggest the board issues a ban on him visiting St Mary's.
Luke Shaw is a fantastic LB and will be missed whomever replaces him will have big shoes to fill but £30 mill is too good to turn down especially when we have others waiting to step up. Shaw as he stands at the moment is defensively solid and is as quick as he'll but does anyone know how many chances he actually created? For a marauding left wing back I don't think it was enough not £30 mill enough... but I guess you learn how to do things like that at a big club like United we will see ;) good luck to the lad but tbh if it all falls apart for him I won't loose any sleep over it.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Brown[/bold] wrote: Well the new Manager must have sat down with Luke Shaw and discussed his future for a long period time considering Luke Shaw only arrived back in the country yesterday. I wonder how many more done deals will surface during the next week or so?. Roy Hodgson along with The Daily Mail have certainly been successful in destroying the basis of our team. Roy will have to go and carry out his scouting missions at other grounds now,I would suggest the board issues a ban on him visiting St Mary's.[/p][/quote]Luke Shaw is a fantastic LB and will be missed whomever replaces him will have big shoes to fill but £30 mill is too good to turn down especially when we have others waiting to step up. Shaw as he stands at the moment is defensively solid and is as quick as he'll but does anyone know how many chances he actually created? For a marauding left wing back I don't think it was enough not £30 mill enough... but I guess you learn how to do things like that at a big club like United we will see ;) good luck to the lad but tbh if it all falls apart for him I won't loose any sleep over it. SouthLondonSaint
  • Score: 8

9:30pm Thu 26 Jun 14

steekeemcglue says...

well done Saints... £30M... we have mugged United who are desperate... LS has made a huge mistake but money means more than the development of character and talent.... I hope he does well but suspect he if he moves onto greater things it won't be with United as they won't see Champions league again for at least 3 years...... COYRs......
well done Saints... £30M... we have mugged United who are desperate... LS has made a huge mistake but money means more than the development of character and talent.... I hope he does well but suspect he if he moves onto greater things it won't be with United as they won't see Champions league again for at least 3 years...... COYRs...... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 3

9:30pm Thu 26 Jun 14

warrens 76 says...

Shaw going was always going to happen…Lallana has 6 top years left and has been here for 14 years, methinks that if a combination of common sense, Locality, family and Koeman plus a respectable increase in wages are made he is 50/50 to stay, if he does then I imagine others will not be so quick to the door..

Shaw going has never really bothered me and 30 million is going some, Lallana kind of hurts as his being with us through thick and thin is personal to every Saints fan…

Lallana, will if I had to lay money give us another year, if we are a better outfit overall next season and get our fair share of penalties etc, then he may just decide to see out his career with us…

It's the old two step, one get him to stay, two improve the team so he does not next season want to go..
Shaw going was always going to happen…Lallana has 6 top years left and has been here for 14 years, methinks that if a combination of common sense, Locality, family and Koeman plus a respectable increase in wages are made he is 50/50 to stay, if he does then I imagine others will not be so quick to the door.. Shaw going has never really bothered me and 30 million is going some, Lallana kind of hurts as his being with us through thick and thin is personal to every Saints fan… Lallana, will if I had to lay money give us another year, if we are a better outfit overall next season and get our fair share of penalties etc, then he may just decide to see out his career with us… It's the old two step, one get him to stay, two improve the team so he does not next season want to go.. warrens 76
  • Score: 13

9:32pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Wagon painted wrote:
sisaydo1 wrote:
Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!!
Maybe if we can achieve CL football then we would have more of a chance of keeping talent.Before LS started biting people he's rumoured to go to a bigger club it's not just Saints.People forget that not long ago we were playing in the lower leagues.To be where we are is remarkable .So now players take there option of moving.Nothing good lasts forever.Be excited as We hopefully build again and beat the big clubs former players opted to move to.
Great idea. Just help me out with this one though, how does selling our talent help us achieve CL?
[quote][p][bold]Wagon painted[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sisaydo1[/bold] wrote: Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!![/p][/quote]Maybe if we can achieve CL football then we would have more of a chance of keeping talent.Before LS started biting people he's rumoured to go to a bigger club it's not just Saints.People forget that not long ago we were playing in the lower leagues.To be where we are is remarkable .So now players take there option of moving.Nothing good lasts forever.Be excited as We hopefully build again and beat the big clubs former players opted to move to.[/p][/quote]Great idea. Just help me out with this one though, how does selling our talent help us achieve CL? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 9

9:32pm Thu 26 Jun 14

03alpe01 says...

sisaydo1 wrote:
Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!!
Fair play mate. I agree. He was always going to go. We bring a top academy talent through, we sell them on it's as simple as that. Staplewood is nothing more than a factory for the top six. It is a good deal in as much as £30m for an 18 year old left back is too good to turn down, but since Matt Le Tissier retired name me one academy graduate who has stayed loyal throughout his career. That isn't demanding a move to the top four.

SFC= SELLING FOOTBALL CLUB!!!
[quote][p][bold]sisaydo1[/bold] wrote: Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!![/p][/quote]Fair play mate. I agree. He was always going to go. We bring a top academy talent through, we sell them on it's as simple as that. Staplewood is nothing more than a factory for the top six. It is a good deal in as much as £30m for an 18 year old left back is too good to turn down, but since Matt Le Tissier retired name me one academy graduate who has stayed loyal throughout his career. That isn't demanding a move to the top four. SFC= SELLING FOOTBALL CLUB!!! 03alpe01
  • Score: -5

9:35pm Thu 26 Jun 14

lambo83 says...

We should be looking to get chicharito / hernandez thrown into the bargain, exactly the sort of forward we need, media says he's unsettled.

Wishful thinking I guess.
We should be looking to get chicharito / hernandez thrown into the bargain, exactly the sort of forward we need, media says he's unsettled. Wishful thinking I guess. lambo83
  • Score: 2

9:37pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Shareholder says...

03alpe01 wrote:
sisaydo1 wrote:
Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!!
Fair play mate. I agree. He was always going to go. We bring a top academy talent through, we sell them on it's as simple as that. Staplewood is nothing more than a factory for the top six. It is a good deal in as much as £30m for an 18 year old left back is too good to turn down, but since Matt Le Tissier retired name me one academy graduate who has stayed loyal throughout his career. That isn't demanding a move to the top four.

SFC= SELLING FOOTBALL CLUB!!!
Only Matty's wife stopped him leaving for a bigger club!
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sisaydo1[/bold] wrote: Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!![/p][/quote]Fair play mate. I agree. He was always going to go. We bring a top academy talent through, we sell them on it's as simple as that. Staplewood is nothing more than a factory for the top six. It is a good deal in as much as £30m for an 18 year old left back is too good to turn down, but since Matt Le Tissier retired name me one academy graduate who has stayed loyal throughout his career. That isn't demanding a move to the top four. SFC= SELLING FOOTBALL CLUB!!![/p][/quote]Only Matty's wife stopped him leaving for a bigger club! Shareholder
  • Score: 3

9:37pm Thu 26 Jun 14

03alpe01 says...

Shareholder wrote:
Until some drastic action is taken as happened in the NFL then the big boys will continue to dominate. The Premier League isn't a national competition it's a world wide media circus and brand. It will always favour the few and never support the development of the national team. I'm trying to remain positive but we look like we'll have to rebuild again soon and that takes time. I look forward to the new season as I always do but like many I have a sour taste in my mouth watching players line up to leave. A case of so near yet Oh so far. Not been the greatest summer football wise.
Another post I agree with. The Premier League is not a 20 team league. It's a six team league and bugger the other 14.
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: Until some drastic action is taken as happened in the NFL then the big boys will continue to dominate. The Premier League isn't a national competition it's a world wide media circus and brand. It will always favour the few and never support the development of the national team. I'm trying to remain positive but we look like we'll have to rebuild again soon and that takes time. I look forward to the new season as I always do but like many I have a sour taste in my mouth watching players line up to leave. A case of so near yet Oh so far. Not been the greatest summer football wise.[/p][/quote]Another post I agree with. The Premier League is not a 20 team league. It's a six team league and bugger the other 14. 03alpe01
  • Score: 9

9:40pm Thu 26 Jun 14

steekeemcglue says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Wagon painted wrote:
sisaydo1 wrote:
Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!!
Maybe if we can achieve CL football then we would have more of a chance of keeping talent.Before LS started biting people he's rumoured to go to a bigger club it's not just Saints.People forget that not long ago we were playing in the lower leagues.To be where we are is remarkable .So now players take there option of moving.Nothing good lasts forever.Be excited as We hopefully build again and beat the big clubs former players opted to move to.
Great idea. Just help me out with this one though, how does selling our talent help us achieve CL?
£30M for a left back is stupid money.... we will fill that spot for less than £10M and we can build a proper attacking midfield that scores goals at home....
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wagon painted[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sisaydo1[/bold] wrote: Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!![/p][/quote]Maybe if we can achieve CL football then we would have more of a chance of keeping talent.Before LS started biting people he's rumoured to go to a bigger club it's not just Saints.People forget that not long ago we were playing in the lower leagues.To be where we are is remarkable .So now players take there option of moving.Nothing good lasts forever.Be excited as We hopefully build again and beat the big clubs former players opted to move to.[/p][/quote]Great idea. Just help me out with this one though, how does selling our talent help us achieve CL?[/p][/quote]£30M for a left back is stupid money.... we will fill that spot for less than £10M and we can build a proper attacking midfield that scores goals at home.... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 3

9:41pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Clever Dick says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Jonny7oma wrote:
The most important thing is to get shot of anyone who doesn't want to play for us, that includes Lallana if he doesn't want to be a saint any more. I don't want any of them to go but it always happens once they get into the England bubble (Shearer and Flowers also spring to mind). And lets not forget that the whole Saints academy thing invites pushy parents of talented youngsters to get them brought on before going to their 'dream' club or for some massive monetary move. Now all our youngsters will be mapping out their 'dream' move to elsewhere once they get regulars in the first team. I'm only jealous really because Like Gerrard, I'm fcukin useless too.
the problem with that attitude is that if all the players who come through our academy say they want to leave after a year there would be no point in training them. we would also have to deal with losing our best players year after year. kids would join our academy knowing that if they make it they only have to mention leaving and they will be off. yes we would have a lot of money but whats the point in having money if you lose your best players?
its all well and good saying get rid of players who don't want to be here and bring in some that do, but how many of our players would stay if they were offered a `big` move. none of our players are supporters of the club and even if we did bring in players who `wanted` to be here how long before they get fed up with the club selling its best players year after year?
telling payers all they have to do is ask to leave and they can go would see nearly every player asking to go. why would they stay at a club that wont fight to keep them?
Surely it is the case that the academy is the reason we are where we are today. We were saved by virtue of the fact that some of our young players were worth a lot of money. Admittedly in those days we had to sell them cheap in order to survive. Now that we don't have to sell we can jack up the price and the vultures have no choice but to pay up or get lost. We still have a huge advantage over all but the very biggest clubs because most of our team cost next to nothing. A successful academy is vital to our future even if we lose a steady stream to other clubs. The alternative is to keep buying players with money we don't have. Be grateful for what we have and where we are now under our current system. The alternative is relegation scraps or lower league football.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny7oma[/bold] wrote: The most important thing is to get shot of anyone who doesn't want to play for us, that includes Lallana if he doesn't want to be a saint any more. I don't want any of them to go but it always happens once they get into the England bubble (Shearer and Flowers also spring to mind). And lets not forget that the whole Saints academy thing invites pushy parents of talented youngsters to get them brought on before going to their 'dream' club or for some massive monetary move. Now all our youngsters will be mapping out their 'dream' move to elsewhere once they get regulars in the first team. I'm only jealous really because Like Gerrard, I'm fcukin useless too.[/p][/quote]the problem with that attitude is that if all the players who come through our academy say they want to leave after a year there would be no point in training them. we would also have to deal with losing our best players year after year. kids would join our academy knowing that if they make it they only have to mention leaving and they will be off. yes we would have a lot of money but whats the point in having money if you lose your best players? its all well and good saying get rid of players who don't want to be here and bring in some that do, but how many of our players would stay if they were offered a `big` move. none of our players are supporters of the club and even if we did bring in players who `wanted` to be here how long before they get fed up with the club selling its best players year after year? telling payers all they have to do is ask to leave and they can go would see nearly every player asking to go. why would they stay at a club that wont fight to keep them?[/p][/quote]Surely it is the case that the academy is the reason we are where we are today. We were saved by virtue of the fact that some of our young players were worth a lot of money. Admittedly in those days we had to sell them cheap in order to survive. Now that we don't have to sell we can jack up the price and the vultures have no choice but to pay up or get lost. We still have a huge advantage over all but the very biggest clubs because most of our team cost next to nothing. A successful academy is vital to our future even if we lose a steady stream to other clubs. The alternative is to keep buying players with money we don't have. Be grateful for what we have and where we are now under our current system. The alternative is relegation scraps or lower league football. Clever Dick
  • Score: 10

9:41pm Thu 26 Jun 14

2getheras1 says...

£30m is great for us. He is a good runner but never been too impressed with the final touch. Good luck Luke.

Wonder if either Chambers or Cline could move to this position if needed so we can put all the cash into getting a class striker to replace SRL
£30m is great for us. He is a good runner but never been too impressed with the final touch. Good luck Luke. Wonder if either Chambers or Cline could move to this position if needed so we can put all the cash into getting a class striker to replace SRL 2getheras1
  • Score: 3

9:42pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Malcombe says...

It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters.

Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future.

We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR
It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR Malcombe
  • Score: 7

9:42pm Thu 26 Jun 14

St Van Roetford says...

Shareholder wrote:
Until some drastic action is taken as happened in the NFL then the big boys will continue to dominate. The Premier League isn't a national competition it's a world wide media circus and brand. It will always favour the few and never support the development of the national team. I'm trying to remain positive but we look like we'll have to rebuild again soon and that takes time. I look forward to the new season as I always do but like many I have a sour taste in my mouth watching players line up to leave. A case of so near yet Oh so far. Not been the greatest summer football wise.
I get that. There was an absolutely wonderful blog piece on this exact subject in the Independent about a month ago. It said many brilliant things but one of them was that in America they manage to keep popular opinion broadly behind their grossly unequal society by propagating the idea of the American Dream in which anyone could, theoretically rise from rags to riches but very few actually do and to question this is to be un-American. The same is true in football - it relies on the idea of competition being free and fair but the odds are always stacked against the smaller clubs, no matter if they're putting the rest of the league to shame in how we go about developing talent and actually playing them in the first team. We were SO close to cracking the top six and now we're being gang raped by vultures.

It's grossly unfair and I'm really disappointed in Luke, but if you start putting your faith in the hands of 18-year-olds shown a chance of glory then you're always going to be.

Our challenge is to make enough talent stick that we become a destination in our own right. And by the look of the new training centre we might just do that. The dream sails on, regardless.
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: Until some drastic action is taken as happened in the NFL then the big boys will continue to dominate. The Premier League isn't a national competition it's a world wide media circus and brand. It will always favour the few and never support the development of the national team. I'm trying to remain positive but we look like we'll have to rebuild again soon and that takes time. I look forward to the new season as I always do but like many I have a sour taste in my mouth watching players line up to leave. A case of so near yet Oh so far. Not been the greatest summer football wise.[/p][/quote]I get that. There was an absolutely wonderful blog piece on this exact subject in the Independent about a month ago. It said many brilliant things but one of them was that in America they manage to keep popular opinion broadly behind their grossly unequal society by propagating the idea of the American Dream in which anyone could, theoretically rise from rags to riches but very few actually do and to question this is to be un-American. The same is true in football - it relies on the idea of competition being free and fair but the odds are always stacked against the smaller clubs, no matter if they're putting the rest of the league to shame in how we go about developing talent and actually playing them in the first team. We were SO close to cracking the top six and now we're being gang raped by vultures. It's grossly unfair and I'm really disappointed in Luke, but if you start putting your faith in the hands of 18-year-olds shown a chance of glory then you're always going to be. Our challenge is to make enough talent stick that we become a destination in our own right. And by the look of the new training centre we might just do that. The dream sails on, regardless. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 13

9:43pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Wagon painted wrote:
sisaydo1 wrote:
Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!!
Maybe if we can achieve CL football then we would have more of a chance of keeping talent.Before LS started biting people he's rumoured to go to a bigger club it's not just Saints.People forget that not long ago we were playing in the lower leagues.To be where we are is remarkable .So now players take there option of moving.Nothing good lasts forever.Be excited as We hopefully build again and beat the big clubs former players opted to move to.
Great idea. Just help me out with this one though, how does selling our talent help us achieve CL?
It depends who its reinvested in, seed. When Channon and Keegan walked (for nothing in the summer of '82) did you or I think we would buy the players who could help us to finish second just two years later?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wagon painted[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sisaydo1[/bold] wrote: Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!![/p][/quote]Maybe if we can achieve CL football then we would have more of a chance of keeping talent.Before LS started biting people he's rumoured to go to a bigger club it's not just Saints.People forget that not long ago we were playing in the lower leagues.To be where we are is remarkable .So now players take there option of moving.Nothing good lasts forever.Be excited as We hopefully build again and beat the big clubs former players opted to move to.[/p][/quote]Great idea. Just help me out with this one though, how does selling our talent help us achieve CL?[/p][/quote]It depends who its reinvested in, seed. When Channon and Keegan walked (for nothing in the summer of '82) did you or I think we would buy the players who could help us to finish second just two years later? Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 6

9:45pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Malcombe wrote:
It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters.

Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future.

We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR
The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead?

Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR[/p][/quote]The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -2

9:46pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Clever Dick says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Ah well - Luke certainly paid back the club for the year's Saints invested in him. In one fell swoop that £30m pays for the entire investment in the new Staplewood facility.
Yep. Given our 'awkward' and 'difficult' financial situation seems this deal was done without involving the new manager who obviously hasn't met up with Shaw. I don't think he will be the last to go. What was it Jesus said? Ah yes, MoPo was trying to persuade the board to do the right thing otherwise the players would leave but if they wouldn't then he too would leave. Still, none as blind as those that cannot see.
This deal was probably spoken about during the interview process. Big Ron may well be very happy if he gets the £30 Million to strengthen the squad with. I'd say it is extremely unlikely he was sold without the input of the new manager.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Ah well - Luke certainly paid back the club for the year's Saints invested in him. In one fell swoop that £30m pays for the entire investment in the new Staplewood facility.[/p][/quote]Yep. Given our 'awkward' and 'difficult' financial situation seems this deal was done without involving the new manager who obviously hasn't met up with Shaw. I don't think he will be the last to go. What was it Jesus said? Ah yes, MoPo was trying to persuade the board to do the right thing otherwise the players would leave but if they wouldn't then he too would leave. Still, none as blind as those that cannot see.[/p][/quote]This deal was probably spoken about during the interview process. Big Ron may well be very happy if he gets the £30 Million to strengthen the squad with. I'd say it is extremely unlikely he was sold without the input of the new manager. Clever Dick
  • Score: 6

9:50pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Churchill Saint says...

sisaydo1 wrote:
Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!!
By your definition every British club is a selling club. Name a premiership club that hasn't sold one of their top players. It's how football works. Realistically ManU made an offer we couldn't refuse.
Good to see some strength from Board. They kept their promises to not deal until the new manager was installed or until after the WC. And they have held out for their target price. £30m is an incredible price for someone with one full season under their belt.
New management team, expectation of 5-6 quality signings, another 5-6 coming through from the academy, Saints being quoted as a role model for English clubs......amazing how far we have come in 5 years;can't wait for new season to start.
[quote][p][bold]sisaydo1[/bold] wrote: Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!![/p][/quote]By your definition every British club is a selling club. Name a premiership club that hasn't sold one of their top players. It's how football works. Realistically ManU made an offer we couldn't refuse. Good to see some strength from Board. They kept their promises to not deal until the new manager was installed or until after the WC. And they have held out for their target price. £30m is an incredible price for someone with one full season under their belt. New management team, expectation of 5-6 quality signings, another 5-6 coming through from the academy, Saints being quoted as a role model for English clubs......amazing how far we have come in 5 years;can't wait for new season to start. Churchill Saint
  • Score: 9

9:50pm Thu 26 Jun 14

peregrine73 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
£30 million is a great deal. Let's hear no more carp about difficult financial situations please. 2 or 3 good players can be got with that money. Luke flatters to deceive. One assist all season from a wing back falls seriously short of what is required. I'd go as far as to say he is the most easily replaceable player of our regular starting 11. Need to keep our best mid fielders, both RBs. and JayRod. If Lovren goes we need top dollar. No less than £20million. He can be replaced for that kind of money. And get Jack Cork signed up long term. What are we messing about over that one ffs.
It's good business,its okay having the money,but the hard fact is getting the right players to replace Shaw,lovren and lallana , can they be convinced to come?
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: £30 million is a great deal. Let's hear no more carp about difficult financial situations please. 2 or 3 good players can be got with that money. Luke flatters to deceive. One assist all season from a wing back falls seriously short of what is required. I'd go as far as to say he is the most easily replaceable player of our regular starting 11. Need to keep our best mid fielders, both RBs. and JayRod. If Lovren goes we need top dollar. No less than £20million. He can be replaced for that kind of money. And get Jack Cork signed up long term. What are we messing about over that one ffs.[/p][/quote]It's good business,its okay having the money,but the hard fact is getting the right players to replace Shaw,lovren and lallana , can they be convinced to come? peregrine73
  • Score: 1

9:51pm Thu 26 Jun 14

2getheras1 says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Going to a bigger club and who could blame him, first of many to leave for better things that's for Shaw. ha ha ha ha
Remember there's a much bigger club in Manchester these days. You are doomed as long as you have the dwindling talent of Rooney at the centre of your team. He is worse each year, not the player he once was.

Your debt must be massive these days; MUFC... the next Rangers. Massive risk to try and buy back your success. Can't see it happening myself. Enjoy life in Div 2 when it happens.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Going to a bigger club and who could blame him, first of many to leave for better things that's for Shaw. ha ha ha ha[/p][/quote]Remember there's a much bigger club in Manchester these days. You are doomed as long as you have the dwindling talent of Rooney at the centre of your team. He is worse each year, not the player he once was. Your debt must be massive these days; MUFC... the next Rangers. Massive risk to try and buy back your success. Can't see it happening myself. Enjoy life in Div 2 when it happens. 2getheras1
  • Score: 13

9:52pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Wagon painted wrote:
sisaydo1 wrote:
Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!!
Maybe if we can achieve CL football then we would have more of a chance of keeping talent.Before LS started biting people he's rumoured to go to a bigger club it's not just Saints.People forget that not long ago we were playing in the lower leagues.To be where we are is remarkable .So now players take there option of moving.Nothing good lasts forever.Be excited as We hopefully build again and beat the big clubs former players opted to move to.
Great idea. Just help me out with this one though, how does selling our talent help us achieve CL?
It depends who its reinvested in, seed. When Channon and Keegan walked (for nothing in the summer of '82) did you or I think we would buy the players who could help us to finish second just two years later?
Fair point. But what we had here was a unique vision to build a top four side by producing our own talent, a very different football model than that great 80's team that was more built on established players nearing the end. Cortese created the vision and left because the club no longer supported it. MoPo felt the same way. Who now owns that vision? Who is hell bent on delivering it? Is it Les? Or Ralph? Or Kat? I wish I had your optimism Stras.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wagon painted[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sisaydo1[/bold] wrote: Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!![/p][/quote]Maybe if we can achieve CL football then we would have more of a chance of keeping talent.Before LS started biting people he's rumoured to go to a bigger club it's not just Saints.People forget that not long ago we were playing in the lower leagues.To be where we are is remarkable .So now players take there option of moving.Nothing good lasts forever.Be excited as We hopefully build again and beat the big clubs former players opted to move to.[/p][/quote]Great idea. Just help me out with this one though, how does selling our talent help us achieve CL?[/p][/quote]It depends who its reinvested in, seed. When Channon and Keegan walked (for nothing in the summer of '82) did you or I think we would buy the players who could help us to finish second just two years later?[/p][/quote]Fair point. But what we had here was a unique vision to build a top four side by producing our own talent, a very different football model than that great 80's team that was more built on established players nearing the end. Cortese created the vision and left because the club no longer supported it. MoPo felt the same way. Who now owns that vision? Who is hell bent on delivering it? Is it Les? Or Ralph? Or Kat? I wish I had your optimism Stras. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

9:54pm Thu 26 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

its not as easy to replace a top quality left back as some seem to think. remember people were crying out for luke to start after a few games 2 seasons ago and after he replaced fox we became better defensively.
luke showed in his world cup start what an excellent left back he already is and he could become a lot better and has 15+ years left in his career. finding a left back of lukes quality isn't going to be easy, I`m sure manure would rather pay the £8ill or so that people think it will take than the £34mill we want.
after all the investment the club has put into luke over the years, and don't forget that he was here when we were in trouble, to see him go at the first sign of interest from a `big club` doesn't feel right.
it will hurt to see luke playing in an all red shirt next season..........oh no wait!
its not as easy to replace a top quality left back as some seem to think. remember people were crying out for luke to start after a few games 2 seasons ago and after he replaced fox we became better defensively. luke showed in his world cup start what an excellent left back he already is and he could become a lot better and has 15+ years left in his career. finding a left back of lukes quality isn't going to be easy, I`m sure manure would rather pay the £8ill or so that people think it will take than the £34mill we want. after all the investment the club has put into luke over the years, and don't forget that he was here when we were in trouble, to see him go at the first sign of interest from a `big club` doesn't feel right. it will hurt to see luke playing in an all red shirt next season..........oh no wait! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 8

9:54pm Thu 26 Jun 14

St Van Roetford says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Malcombe wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR
The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?
Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR[/p][/quote]The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?[/p][/quote]Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 11

9:54pm Thu 26 Jun 14

oldsaintsfan says...

Very disappointing if this is true.
Very disappointing if this is true. oldsaintsfan
  • Score: 0

9:55pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Quote from Matt Le Tiss...."I never got my chance until the club sold Danny Wallace to Man U"

This could be your moment Matty Targett. Meanwhile, we have a heap of cash to spend on what we really need....a top quality striker.

Over to you RK! COYR
Quote from Matt Le Tiss...."I never got my chance until the club sold Danny Wallace to Man U" This could be your moment Matty Targett. Meanwhile, we have a heap of cash to spend on what we really need....a top quality striker. Over to you RK! COYR Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 8

9:55pm Thu 26 Jun 14

gristle says...

Actually, Manchester is considered by most folk to be West Midlands, not the North west. More racism by the echo ?
Actually, Manchester is considered by most folk to be West Midlands, not the North west. More racism by the echo ? gristle
  • Score: -5

9:57pm Thu 26 Jun 14

itsnotjustice says...

this goes to show that its still fergie picking the players at united.....

30 million is an amazing price, IF atleast 20 millions upfront...none of this down the line crap.

glad we got it done early, hopefully we can get lallana sorted one way or the other in the next week, and move on..

all the best luke, although, i am secretly hoping you fail...just like i hope mopo fails at spurs.
this goes to show that its still fergie picking the players at united..... 30 million is an amazing price, IF atleast 20 millions upfront...none of this down the line crap. glad we got it done early, hopefully we can get lallana sorted one way or the other in the next week, and move on.. all the best luke, although, i am secretly hoping you fail...just like i hope mopo fails at spurs. itsnotjustice
  • Score: 4

10:07pm Thu 26 Jun 14

saintmac says...

I still have this feeling that something is not right behind the scenes.What really prompted MP to leave and made our players suddenly want away and
unhappy??
Also, unless we can expand our stadium,we will not be able to compete with
the larger clubs.I believe NC was thinking about this but I have not heard anything from the Board on this subject.
I still have this feeling that something is not right behind the scenes.What really prompted MP to leave and made our players suddenly want away and unhappy?? Also, unless we can expand our stadium,we will not be able to compete with the larger clubs.I believe NC was thinking about this but I have not heard anything from the Board on this subject. saintmac
  • Score: -1

10:07pm Thu 26 Jun 14

steekeemcglue says...

ahem.... TinTin does not need out-and-out fullbacks..... he will get Saints playing a much more versatile game. He possibly even viewed LS as a one trick pony.... we may even end up with three at the back.... Watched feyenoord a few times last season and it was more total-football than a lot of other dutch sides...
ahem.... TinTin does not need out-and-out fullbacks..... he will get Saints playing a much more versatile game. He possibly even viewed LS as a one trick pony.... we may even end up with three at the back.... Watched feyenoord a few times last season and it was more total-football than a lot of other dutch sides... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 3

10:08pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Bazultra says...

This is why the English game is in such a mess to start with. Luke was begining to sttle into the way we play and become a solid left back in the way we play. Now he has to start all over again in another team that play a different way and another system. Just another teenage money grabber who will probably end up like Bridge and the other lot of want aways. Good riddance
This is why the English game is in such a mess to start with. Luke was begining to sttle into the way we play and become a solid left back in the way we play. Now he has to start all over again in another team that play a different way and another system. Just another teenage money grabber who will probably end up like Bridge and the other lot of want aways. Good riddance Bazultra
  • Score: 5

10:09pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Malcombe wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR
The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?
Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.
Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff!

You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR[/p][/quote]The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?[/p][/quote]Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.[/p][/quote]Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff! You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -9

10:09pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Wagon painted says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Wagon painted wrote:
sisaydo1 wrote:
Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!!
Maybe if we can achieve CL football then we would have more of a chance of keeping talent.Before LS started biting people he's rumoured to go to a bigger club it's not just Saints.People forget that not long ago we were playing in the lower leagues.To be where we are is remarkable .So now players take there option of moving.Nothing good lasts forever.Be excited as We hopefully build again and beat the big clubs former players opted to move to.
Great idea. Just help me out with this one though, how does selling our talent help us achieve CL?
That's the chicken and egg situation mate.In an ideal world we d keep producing young players and keep them together and win the league.The problem is that when only 2 or 3 are ready at any one time they get picked up by bigger established teams.Im as gutted as you it's frustrating.I admit I'm worried we've now got a naive board but supporting your local team is never easy but definitely more rewarding
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wagon painted[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sisaydo1[/bold] wrote: Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!![/p][/quote]Maybe if we can achieve CL football then we would have more of a chance of keeping talent.Before LS started biting people he's rumoured to go to a bigger club it's not just Saints.People forget that not long ago we were playing in the lower leagues.To be where we are is remarkable .So now players take there option of moving.Nothing good lasts forever.Be excited as We hopefully build again and beat the big clubs former players opted to move to.[/p][/quote]Great idea. Just help me out with this one though, how does selling our talent help us achieve CL?[/p][/quote]That's the chicken and egg situation mate.In an ideal world we d keep producing young players and keep them together and win the league.The problem is that when only 2 or 3 are ready at any one time they get picked up by bigger established teams.Im as gutted as you it's frustrating.I admit I'm worried we've now got a naive board but supporting your local team is never easy but definitely more rewarding Wagon painted
  • Score: 3

10:11pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

gristle wrote:
Actually, Manchester is considered by most folk to be West Midlands, not the North west. More racism by the echo ?
What?
[quote][p][bold]gristle[/bold] wrote: Actually, Manchester is considered by most folk to be West Midlands, not the North west. More racism by the echo ?[/p][/quote]What? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

10:12pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Wagon painted wrote:
sisaydo1 wrote:
Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!!
Maybe if we can achieve CL football then we would have more of a chance of keeping talent.Before LS started biting people he's rumoured to go to a bigger club it's not just Saints.People forget that not long ago we were playing in the lower leagues.To be where we are is remarkable .So now players take there option of moving.Nothing good lasts forever.Be excited as We hopefully build again and beat the big clubs former players opted to move to.
Great idea. Just help me out with this one though, how does selling our talent help us achieve CL?
It depends who its reinvested in, seed. When Channon and Keegan walked (for nothing in the summer of '82) did you or I think we would buy the players who could help us to finish second just two years later?
Fair point. But what we had here was a unique vision to build a top four side by producing our own talent, a very different football model than that great 80's team that was more built on established players nearing the end. Cortese created the vision and left because the club no longer supported it. MoPo felt the same way. Who now owns that vision? Who is hell bent on delivering it? Is it Les? Or Ralph? Or Kat? I wish I had your optimism Stras.
I sit somewhere in the middle. It's the old Nigel 'balance is the key' philosophy - not too high when we win, not too low when we lose and all that. So, in a similar but different way, I was never 100% for nor 100% against NC, and I feel the same about Ralph, Les and co.

I was fairly sure Luke was going when I was told something a few weeks ago, so I'm not shedding tears. I also think others are right that if a player wants out, it can be better, business-wise, to let the player go as long as the deal is right for the club. You have to admit, Seed, it's nothing new, that's exactly how NC saw the Oxo deal.

If you hold onto a player that is set on going, then it becomes pretty hard to get others to sign long-term contracts. Imagine you're Jack Cork right now and are offered a decent Saints deal but your agent thinks you can get something better from another club. What if you then witnessed Saints refusing to allow Luke to move, you'd be dissuaded from signing anything that might prevent a future move, wouldn't you?

All that said, I think we're all with you when we wonder 'what if ....'

Can you imagine our current squad, plus a genuinely world-class keeper, centre back and striker, plus these 5 old boys ..... Luke, Rickie, Oxo, Bale and Theo. We really did get that close.

Instead, we have something of a transfer kitty and an increasingly large number of gaps in the squad needing to be filled. But we've been here before and will probably be here again because, as Saints fans, hope really does spring eternal and the skunts continue to sink. It ain't all bad!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wagon painted[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sisaydo1[/bold] wrote: Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!![/p][/quote]Maybe if we can achieve CL football then we would have more of a chance of keeping talent.Before LS started biting people he's rumoured to go to a bigger club it's not just Saints.People forget that not long ago we were playing in the lower leagues.To be where we are is remarkable .So now players take there option of moving.Nothing good lasts forever.Be excited as We hopefully build again and beat the big clubs former players opted to move to.[/p][/quote]Great idea. Just help me out with this one though, how does selling our talent help us achieve CL?[/p][/quote]It depends who its reinvested in, seed. When Channon and Keegan walked (for nothing in the summer of '82) did you or I think we would buy the players who could help us to finish second just two years later?[/p][/quote]Fair point. But what we had here was a unique vision to build a top four side by producing our own talent, a very different football model than that great 80's team that was more built on established players nearing the end. Cortese created the vision and left because the club no longer supported it. MoPo felt the same way. Who now owns that vision? Who is hell bent on delivering it? Is it Les? Or Ralph? Or Kat? I wish I had your optimism Stras.[/p][/quote]I sit somewhere in the middle. It's the old Nigel 'balance is the key' philosophy - not too high when we win, not too low when we lose and all that. So, in a similar but different way, I was never 100% for nor 100% against NC, and I feel the same about Ralph, Les and co. I was fairly sure Luke was going when I was told something a few weeks ago, so I'm not shedding tears. I also think others are right that if a player wants out, it can be better, business-wise, to let the player go as long as the deal is right for the club. You have to admit, Seed, it's nothing new, that's exactly how NC saw the Oxo deal. If you hold onto a player that is set on going, then it becomes pretty hard to get others to sign long-term contracts. Imagine you're Jack Cork right now and are offered a decent Saints deal but your agent thinks you can get something better from another club. What if you then witnessed Saints refusing to allow Luke to move, you'd be dissuaded from signing anything that might prevent a future move, wouldn't you? All that said, I think we're all with you when we wonder 'what if ....' Can you imagine our current squad, plus a genuinely world-class keeper, centre back and striker, plus these 5 old boys ..... Luke, Rickie, Oxo, Bale and Theo. We really did get that close. Instead, we have something of a transfer kitty and an increasingly large number of gaps in the squad needing to be filled. But we've been here before and will probably be here again because, as Saints fans, hope really does spring eternal and the skunts continue to sink. It ain't all bad! Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 4

10:13pm Thu 26 Jun 14

search for truth says...

Man U are the most indebted club in British football , how in hell's name can they pay £ 30 million ?
Man U are the most indebted club in British football , how in hell's name can they pay £ 30 million ? search for truth
  • Score: 1

10:16pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Harold K Steptoe says...

I'm really pleased to be signing this deal with Manc Utd..........Real Madrid want me you say, I'm off".........Give your mate Llallana a lift up North and take anyone else who don't want to be here with you..
I'm really pleased to be signing this deal with Manc Utd..........Real Madrid want me you say, I'm off".........Give your mate Llallana a lift up North and take anyone else who don't want to be here with you.. Harold K Steptoe
  • Score: 2

10:16pm Thu 26 Jun 14

angus mc coatup says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Wagon painted wrote:
sisaydo1 wrote:
Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!!
Maybe if we can achieve CL football then we would have more of a chance of keeping talent.Before LS started biting people he's rumoured to go to a bigger club it's not just Saints.People forget that not long ago we were playing in the lower leagues.To be where we are is remarkable .So now players take there option of moving.Nothing good lasts forever.Be excited as We hopefully build again and beat the big clubs former players opted to move to.
Great idea. Just help me out with this one though, how does selling our talent help us achieve CL?
It depends who its reinvested in, seed. When Channon and Keegan walked (for nothing in the summer of '82) did you or I think we would buy the players who could help us to finish second just two years later?
Fair point. But what we had here was a unique vision to build a top four side by producing our own talent, a very different football model than that great 80's team that was more built on established players nearing the end. Cortese created the vision and left because the club no longer supported it. MoPo felt the same way. Who now owns that vision? Who is hell bent on delivering it? Is it Les? Or Ralph? Or Kat? I wish I had your optimism Stras.
Trouble is Seed, that vision of Cortese was bankrolled by someone else's dosh. I think Cortese was a bit like a labour government , in that he was very good at spending other peoples money. It's not a great situation at the moment, but lets see what Ron and the board come up with. Who knows we may all be pleasantly surprised.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wagon painted[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sisaydo1[/bold] wrote: Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!![/p][/quote]Maybe if we can achieve CL football then we would have more of a chance of keeping talent.Before LS started biting people he's rumoured to go to a bigger club it's not just Saints.People forget that not long ago we were playing in the lower leagues.To be where we are is remarkable .So now players take there option of moving.Nothing good lasts forever.Be excited as We hopefully build again and beat the big clubs former players opted to move to.[/p][/quote]Great idea. Just help me out with this one though, how does selling our talent help us achieve CL?[/p][/quote]It depends who its reinvested in, seed. When Channon and Keegan walked (for nothing in the summer of '82) did you or I think we would buy the players who could help us to finish second just two years later?[/p][/quote]Fair point. But what we had here was a unique vision to build a top four side by producing our own talent, a very different football model than that great 80's team that was more built on established players nearing the end. Cortese created the vision and left because the club no longer supported it. MoPo felt the same way. Who now owns that vision? Who is hell bent on delivering it? Is it Les? Or Ralph? Or Kat? I wish I had your optimism Stras.[/p][/quote]Trouble is Seed, that vision of Cortese was bankrolled by someone else's dosh. I think Cortese was a bit like a labour government , in that he was very good at spending other peoples money. It's not a great situation at the moment, but lets see what Ron and the board come up with. Who knows we may all be pleasantly surprised. angus mc coatup
  • Score: 1

10:16pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

search for truth wrote:
Man U are the most indebted club in British football , how in hell's name can they pay £ 30 million ?
Little bit jealous are we?
[quote][p][bold]search for truth[/bold] wrote: Man U are the most indebted club in British football , how in hell's name can they pay £ 30 million ?[/p][/quote]Little bit jealous are we? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

10:17pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

search for truth wrote:
Man U are the most indebted club in British football , how in hell's name can they pay £ 30 million ?
Little bit jealous are we?
[quote][p][bold]search for truth[/bold] wrote: Man U are the most indebted club in British football , how in hell's name can they pay £ 30 million ?[/p][/quote]Little bit jealous are we? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

10:20pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Malcombe wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR
The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?
Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.
Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff!

You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.
Seed. Best thing that can happen is the start of the season....you sound like you need a little positivity.

You up for Bompey for a little preseason warm up? Don't forget your flip flops!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR[/p][/quote]The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?[/p][/quote]Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.[/p][/quote]Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff! You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.[/p][/quote]Seed. Best thing that can happen is the start of the season....you sound like you need a little positivity. You up for Bompey for a little preseason warm up? Don't forget your flip flops! Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 0

10:24pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Benali76 says...

I will in time cheer him on as I do Bale and Walcott but right now I am very disappointed with Shaw. He has it all in life at 18 but he wants more and now!. It would be wise and honourable to stay here, surrounded by the people who know him and have nurtured him, playing in a good team with his mates as he develops further. Then in 2 years move, a better, more rounded individual. At United his every move is dissected by plastic know nothings, and he plays with a huge price tag like a monkey on his back. I sort of hope it works for him but a bit of me hope his greed bites him.
I will in time cheer him on as I do Bale and Walcott but right now I am very disappointed with Shaw. He has it all in life at 18 but he wants more and now!. It would be wise and honourable to stay here, surrounded by the people who know him and have nurtured him, playing in a good team with his mates as he develops further. Then in 2 years move, a better, more rounded individual. At United his every move is dissected by plastic know nothings, and he plays with a huge price tag like a monkey on his back. I sort of hope it works for him but a bit of me hope his greed bites him. Benali76
  • Score: 9

10:26pm Thu 26 Jun 14

angus mc coatup says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Malcombe wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR
The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?
Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.
Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff!

You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.
Seed. Best thing that can happen is the start of the season....you sound like you need a little positivity.

You up for Bompey for a little preseason warm up? Don't forget your flip flops!
He's so down a the moment Bill, he's calling them "flop flops"
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR[/p][/quote]The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?[/p][/quote]Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.[/p][/quote]Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff! You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.[/p][/quote]Seed. Best thing that can happen is the start of the season....you sound like you need a little positivity. You up for Bompey for a little preseason warm up? Don't forget your flip flops![/p][/quote]He's so down a the moment Bill, he's calling them "flop flops" angus mc coatup
  • Score: 1

10:30pm Thu 26 Jun 14

GHamilton says...

Reading many of the comments on here you could be forgiven for thinking this has just jumped out of nowhere!, We 've known for weeks we were likely to loose LS and AL....and that before we had secured the sig of Ronald Koeman. We should be focused on who he's going to sign with the money he'll be given. I think we will be pleasantly surprised at the quality of the signings arriving at SMS before the start of the season. ....CHINS UP!!
Reading many of the comments on here you could be forgiven for thinking this has just jumped out of nowhere!, We 've known for weeks we were likely to loose LS and AL....and that before we had secured the sig of Ronald Koeman. We should be focused on who he's going to sign with the money he'll be given. I think we will be pleasantly surprised at the quality of the signings arriving at SMS before the start of the season. ....CHINS UP!! GHamilton
  • Score: 8

10:30pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Churchill Saint says...

This case is so ironic. Last season our first choice LB was to have been Alexander Buttner but we were gazumped by.........ManU. This opened the door for LS to play earlier than expected and the rest is history. So if Buttner hadn't gone to ManU I doubt very much Luke would have played in the WC and sold for £30m. I think we've mugged ManU......twice.
This case is so ironic. Last season our first choice LB was to have been Alexander Buttner but we were gazumped by.........ManU. This opened the door for LS to play earlier than expected and the rest is history. So if Buttner hadn't gone to ManU I doubt very much Luke would have played in the WC and sold for £30m. I think we've mugged ManU......twice. Churchill Saint
  • Score: 8

10:32pm Thu 26 Jun 14

2getheras1 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
gristle wrote:
Actually, Manchester is considered by most folk to be West Midlands, not the North west. More racism by the echo ?
What?
Dirty northern b......s!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gristle[/bold] wrote: Actually, Manchester is considered by most folk to be West Midlands, not the North west. More racism by the echo ?[/p][/quote]What?[/p][/quote]Dirty northern b......s! 2getheras1
  • Score: 0

10:35pm Thu 26 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Jonny7oma wrote:
The most important thing is to get shot of anyone who doesn't want to play for us, that includes Lallana if he doesn't want to be a saint any more. I don't want any of them to go but it always happens once they get into the England bubble (Shearer and Flowers also spring to mind). And lets not forget that the whole Saints academy thing invites pushy parents of talented youngsters to get them brought on before going to their 'dream' club or for some massive monetary move. Now all our youngsters will be mapping out their 'dream' move to elsewhere once they get regulars in the first team. I'm only jealous really because Like Gerrard, I'm fcukin useless too.
the problem with that attitude is that if all the players who come through our academy say they want to leave after a year there would be no point in training them. we would also have to deal with losing our best players year after year. kids would join our academy knowing that if they make it they only have to mention leaving and they will be off. yes we would have a lot of money but whats the point in having money if you lose your best players?
its all well and good saying get rid of players who don't want to be here and bring in some that do, but how many of our players would stay if they were offered a `big` move. none of our players are supporters of the club and even if we did bring in players who `wanted` to be here how long before they get fed up with the club selling its best players year after year?
telling payers all they have to do is ask to leave and they can go would see nearly every player asking to go. why would they stay at a club that wont fight to keep them?
Surely it is the case that the academy is the reason we are where we are today. We were saved by virtue of the fact that some of our young players were worth a lot of money. Admittedly in those days we had to sell them cheap in order to survive. Now that we don't have to sell we can jack up the price and the vultures have no choice but to pay up or get lost. We still have a huge advantage over all but the very biggest clubs because most of our team cost next to nothing. A successful academy is vital to our future even if we lose a steady stream to other clubs. The alternative is to keep buying players with money we don't have. Be grateful for what we have and where we are now under our current system. The alternative is relegation scraps or lower league football.
yes I agree CD, the academy has saved us in the past and is one of the reasons we are where we are. yes we have sold a lot of good players for a lot of money, maybe it should have been a lot more but where has that got us? we barely survived before St ML stepped in.
my point is that if we sell any player who has come through the academy, just because they say they want to go, then every kid who joins us will know that they are only at our club to come until they come through the academy then after a season in the first team they can get a move to anywhere they want. so why should we bother investing so much in the infrastructure and in the kids if they are just going to go at the first opportunity? yes we will get some money for them but what is the point in having the money if you cant convince players to come here. we would have to rebuild the team every year and we as fans wouldn't know who was staying or how many every transfer window.

let me make it clear though, I am a huge fan of our academy and the talent it produces, we should of course continue to invest in it and produce the quality of players we already have. I was just trying to say that you cant let every player leave who asks to leave. it shouldn't mater what price is offered. at some point you just have to say NO!
I hope the board and manager have a plan and solid reason for letting luke go and that we don't regret it in a year or two.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonny7oma[/bold] wrote: The most important thing is to get shot of anyone who doesn't want to play for us, that includes Lallana if he doesn't want to be a saint any more. I don't want any of them to go but it always happens once they get into the England bubble (Shearer and Flowers also spring to mind). And lets not forget that the whole Saints academy thing invites pushy parents of talented youngsters to get them brought on before going to their 'dream' club or for some massive monetary move. Now all our youngsters will be mapping out their 'dream' move to elsewhere once they get regulars in the first team. I'm only jealous really because Like Gerrard, I'm fcukin useless too.[/p][/quote]the problem with that attitude is that if all the players who come through our academy say they want to leave after a year there would be no point in training them. we would also have to deal with losing our best players year after year. kids would join our academy knowing that if they make it they only have to mention leaving and they will be off. yes we would have a lot of money but whats the point in having money if you lose your best players? its all well and good saying get rid of players who don't want to be here and bring in some that do, but how many of our players would stay if they were offered a `big` move. none of our players are supporters of the club and even if we did bring in players who `wanted` to be here how long before they get fed up with the club selling its best players year after year? telling payers all they have to do is ask to leave and they can go would see nearly every player asking to go. why would they stay at a club that wont fight to keep them?[/p][/quote]Surely it is the case that the academy is the reason we are where we are today. We were saved by virtue of the fact that some of our young players were worth a lot of money. Admittedly in those days we had to sell them cheap in order to survive. Now that we don't have to sell we can jack up the price and the vultures have no choice but to pay up or get lost. We still have a huge advantage over all but the very biggest clubs because most of our team cost next to nothing. A successful academy is vital to our future even if we lose a steady stream to other clubs. The alternative is to keep buying players with money we don't have. Be grateful for what we have and where we are now under our current system. The alternative is relegation scraps or lower league football.[/p][/quote]yes I agree CD, the academy has saved us in the past and is one of the reasons we are where we are. yes we have sold a lot of good players for a lot of money, maybe it should have been a lot more but where has that got us? we barely survived before St ML stepped in. my point is that if we sell any player who has come through the academy, just because they say they want to go, then every kid who joins us will know that they are only at our club to come until they come through the academy then after a season in the first team they can get a move to anywhere they want. so why should we bother investing so much in the infrastructure and in the kids if they are just going to go at the first opportunity? yes we will get some money for them but what is the point in having the money if you cant convince players to come here. we would have to rebuild the team every year and we as fans wouldn't know who was staying or how many every transfer window. let me make it clear though, I am a huge fan of our academy and the talent it produces, we should of course continue to invest in it and produce the quality of players we already have. I was just trying to say that you cant let every player leave who asks to leave. it shouldn't mater what price is offered. at some point you just have to say NO! I hope the board and manager have a plan and solid reason for letting luke go and that we don't regret it in a year or two. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 1

10:46pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Malcombe wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR
The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?
Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.
Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff!

You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.
Seed. Best thing that can happen is the start of the season....you sound like you need a little positivity.

You up for Bompey for a little preseason warm up? Don't forget your flip flops!
He's so down a the moment Bill, he's calling them "flop flops"
lol

If there's a plan, if the money for Shaw is reinvested in the squad and not used to pay for Staplewood then maybe things aren't as gloomy as I fear. However, the departure of Cortese and then the failure to persuade MoPo to stay - after nearly every single player called for it - doesn't indicate that the club know what they're doing.
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR[/p][/quote]The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?[/p][/quote]Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.[/p][/quote]Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff! You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.[/p][/quote]Seed. Best thing that can happen is the start of the season....you sound like you need a little positivity. You up for Bompey for a little preseason warm up? Don't forget your flip flops![/p][/quote]He's so down a the moment Bill, he's calling them "flop flops"[/p][/quote]lol If there's a plan, if the money for Shaw is reinvested in the squad and not used to pay for Staplewood then maybe things aren't as gloomy as I fear. However, the departure of Cortese and then the failure to persuade MoPo to stay - after nearly every single player called for it - doesn't indicate that the club know what they're doing. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

10:48pm Thu 26 Jun 14

SaintChris46 says...

I say let the big headed little tw@t go! £30m+ for someone who has had one and a half good seasons - Utd, you really have been mugged! Yes he's good but he ain't that good. I'm sure he'll get a few games next season and he'll be nailed on to start every match for England because he plays for Utd.
I for one am looking forward to who RK brings in as a replacement, hopefully someone with more experience and better quality than Shaw. And the same goes for Lallana. Make your bloody mind up. If you want out, put in a transfer request and we can all move on.
I am sorry if I am sounding a tad bitter. I am! I was so chuffed for all the lads when they were called up for England and couldn't wait to see them at the World Cup. Well Roy put paid to that enjoyment with his bizarre team selections. Now I have no respect for them (Sir Rickie excluded), thinking they are bigger than the club that has nurtured and developed them for all those years. YOU ARE NOT!
I say let the big headed little tw@t go! £30m+ for someone who has had one and a half good seasons - Utd, you really have been mugged! Yes he's good but he ain't that good. I'm sure he'll get a few games next season and he'll be nailed on to start every match for England because he plays for Utd. I for one am looking forward to who RK brings in as a replacement, hopefully someone with more experience and better quality than Shaw. And the same goes for Lallana. Make your bloody mind up. If you want out, put in a transfer request and we can all move on. I am sorry if I am sounding a tad bitter. I am! I was so chuffed for all the lads when they were called up for England and couldn't wait to see them at the World Cup. Well Roy put paid to that enjoyment with his bizarre team selections. Now I have no respect for them (Sir Rickie excluded), thinking they are bigger than the club that has nurtured and developed them for all those years. YOU ARE NOT! SaintChris46
  • Score: 6

10:50pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Benali76 says...

sisaydo1 wrote:
Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!!
I don't see it as a good deal either. A good deal would be to actually get a few seasons out of an outstanding player and then take even more cash. When we lose our stars after 1 season we as fans get nothing but the patronising commendation of having a good academy.
[quote][p][bold]sisaydo1[/bold] wrote: Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!![/p][/quote]I don't see it as a good deal either. A good deal would be to actually get a few seasons out of an outstanding player and then take even more cash. When we lose our stars after 1 season we as fans get nothing but the patronising commendation of having a good academy. Benali76
  • Score: 2

10:53pm Thu 26 Jun 14

upwherewebelong says...

I'm past getting all stroppy about these rumours but what disappoints me is the clubs lack of action on a few things namely

1. New kit - don't think the club really know what they are doing as lots of people on Twitter are asking about news and the answer ranges from "very soon" to "a few weeks" which is it Saints - Tell us a date it really isn't difficult. In my job if I as a manager am given a deadline for when something needs to be done by my team I tell my team the date. So why can't Saints at least tell us the exact date the kit will be unveiled., The problem is Saints always put up this veil of secrecy

2. Management of the squad & club- Under Cortese there were never this many rumours about players leaving as he passionately cared about the club. I am yet to be convinced this board have the same enthusiasm for the club. Despite what Les Reed said in the interview with a very friendly Saints co-worker. It would have been more credible if he had invited a proper journalist to come and have a one to one chat. I notice Krueger has gone very quiet is this because he realises he's out of his depth and some fans have spotted it and on this thread challenged it. What did happen to open communication as IF a bid has now been accepted surely we need to be told

3. We need to stop ANY clubs no matter who they are from bypassing their own responsibility to develop players and steal our best players. We will NEVER progress until we stand up for ourselves and tell these lazy bone idle clubs to get lost our players are not for sale.

On a positive the lack of rumours about players joining appears to be holding true to previous regimes as we tend not to conduct incoming transfers through the media unlike the majority of clubs.
I'm past getting all stroppy about these rumours but what disappoints me is the clubs lack of action on a few things namely 1. New kit - don't think the club really know what they are doing as lots of people on Twitter are asking about news and the answer ranges from "very soon" to "a few weeks" which is it Saints - Tell us a date it really isn't difficult. In my job if I as a manager am given a deadline for when something needs to be done by my team I tell my team the date. So why can't Saints at least tell us the exact date the kit will be unveiled., The problem is Saints always put up this veil of secrecy 2. Management of the squad & club- Under Cortese there were never this many rumours about players leaving as he passionately cared about the club. I am yet to be convinced this board have the same enthusiasm for the club. Despite what Les Reed said in the interview with a very friendly Saints co-worker. It would have been more credible if he had invited a proper journalist to come and have a one to one chat. I notice Krueger has gone very quiet is this because he realises he's out of his depth and some fans have spotted it and on this thread challenged it. What did happen to open communication as IF a bid has now been accepted surely we need to be told 3. We need to stop ANY clubs no matter who they are from bypassing their own responsibility to develop players and steal our best players. We will NEVER progress until we stand up for ourselves and tell these lazy bone idle clubs to get lost our players are not for sale. On a positive the lack of rumours about players joining appears to be holding true to previous regimes as we tend not to conduct incoming transfers through the media unlike the majority of clubs. upwherewebelong
  • Score: -3

10:55pm Thu 26 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I am not happy tonight so I don't want to say something I will regret later.
I am not happy tonight so I don't want to say something I will regret later. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 7

10:57pm Thu 26 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Malcombe wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR
The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?
Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.
Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff!

You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.
oh come on seed play fair, les has only been in charge of `all` things football since march/April time. the players you mention there were all signed under NC`s command. Gaston is a great player who needs a run in the team but has lalla blocking his way, I don't think either MP or NA knew how to get the best out of him, if RK cant then he should be moved on but we wont lose that much money on him.
wanyama again real quality and it showed how much he did for the team after his injury. yes he isn't a flair player but we don't need or want him to be.
Osvaldo has talent but couldn't be bothered to even try to fit in. he was MP`s signing and MP even phoned him to get the deal to go through, cant see why les gets the blame for that one.
and now the enigma that is vergard forren, who signed him? well it appears no one knows, or is telling. NA was sacked on the day he signed and said he knew nothing about the deal. MP said he didn't sign him. so who did? well as NC was in charge of the purse strings at the time he would have had to have the final, if not only, say.
les reed may have been in charge of recruitment at the time but we all know who had overall say on everything.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR[/p][/quote]The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?[/p][/quote]Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.[/p][/quote]Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff! You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.[/p][/quote]oh come on seed play fair, les has only been in charge of `all` things football since march/April time. the players you mention there were all signed under NC`s command. Gaston is a great player who needs a run in the team but has lalla blocking his way, I don't think either MP or NA knew how to get the best out of him, if RK cant then he should be moved on but we wont lose that much money on him. wanyama again real quality and it showed how much he did for the team after his injury. yes he isn't a flair player but we don't need or want him to be. Osvaldo has talent but couldn't be bothered to even try to fit in. he was MP`s signing and MP even phoned him to get the deal to go through, cant see why les gets the blame for that one. and now the enigma that is vergard forren, who signed him? well it appears no one knows, or is telling. NA was sacked on the day he signed and said he knew nothing about the deal. MP said he didn't sign him. so who did? well as NC was in charge of the purse strings at the time he would have had to have the final, if not only, say. les reed may have been in charge of recruitment at the time but we all know who had overall say on everything. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 6

10:59pm Thu 26 Jun 14

jls217 says...

SouthLondonSaint wrote:
Dave Brown wrote:
Well the new Manager must have sat down with Luke Shaw and discussed his future for a long period time considering Luke Shaw only arrived back in the country yesterday.
I wonder how many more done deals will surface during the next week or so?.
Roy Hodgson along with The Daily Mail have certainly been successful in destroying the basis of our team.
Roy will have to go and carry out his scouting missions at other grounds now,I would suggest the board issues a ban on him visiting St Mary's.
Luke Shaw is a fantastic LB and will be missed whomever replaces him will have big shoes to fill but £30 mill is too good to turn down especially when we have others waiting to step up. Shaw as he stands at the moment is defensively solid and is as quick as he'll but does anyone know how many chances he actually created? For a marauding left wing back I don't think it was enough not £30 mill enough... but I guess you learn how to do things like that at a big club like United we will see ;) good luck to the lad but tbh if it all falls apart for him I won't loose any sleep over it.
Sorry mate I disagree - sorry. He is not a good left back defensively he is badly flawed, experience may or may not compensate for that. As a wing back he is more convincing but I have said all along this fella will be playing left midfield and maybe as an out and out winger - I think he will develop into a really good one too, good enough to hold down a regular spot at Manure - not sure, time will tell. I sincerely hope Rambo can use the money to bring in an English left back there are a couple who would be available for the right money, Bertrand or Creswell for example. Could get a good CB for that also and probably a second keeper too. All English please Rambo.
[quote][p][bold]SouthLondonSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Brown[/bold] wrote: Well the new Manager must have sat down with Luke Shaw and discussed his future for a long period time considering Luke Shaw only arrived back in the country yesterday. I wonder how many more done deals will surface during the next week or so?. Roy Hodgson along with The Daily Mail have certainly been successful in destroying the basis of our team. Roy will have to go and carry out his scouting missions at other grounds now,I would suggest the board issues a ban on him visiting St Mary's.[/p][/quote]Luke Shaw is a fantastic LB and will be missed whomever replaces him will have big shoes to fill but £30 mill is too good to turn down especially when we have others waiting to step up. Shaw as he stands at the moment is defensively solid and is as quick as he'll but does anyone know how many chances he actually created? For a marauding left wing back I don't think it was enough not £30 mill enough... but I guess you learn how to do things like that at a big club like United we will see ;) good luck to the lad but tbh if it all falls apart for him I won't loose any sleep over it.[/p][/quote]Sorry mate I disagree - sorry. He is not a good left back defensively he is badly flawed, experience may or may not compensate for that. As a wing back he is more convincing but I have said all along this fella will be playing left midfield and maybe as an out and out winger - I think he will develop into a really good one too, good enough to hold down a regular spot at Manure - not sure, time will tell. I sincerely hope Rambo can use the money to bring in an English left back there are a couple who would be available for the right money, Bertrand or Creswell for example. Could get a good CB for that also and probably a second keeper too. All English please Rambo. jls217
  • Score: 1

11:00pm Thu 26 Jun 14

NC Fan4Life says...

I hope that we are getting this money up front and not waiting 2 or 3 seasons for it because £30m will not seem so good then and not in Saints best interest.

However if most of it is upfront and we buy a quality left back for under £10m this will enable Ronko to get a top striker as well.

Imperative that we keep the rest, don't see how breaking up this squad that has been 5 years in the making is in Saints best interest.

We need to spend money IMPROVING the squad not REPLACING them.
I hope that we are getting this money up front and not waiting 2 or 3 seasons for it because £30m will not seem so good then and not in Saints best interest. However if most of it is upfront and we buy a quality left back for under £10m this will enable Ronko to get a top striker as well. Imperative that we keep the rest, don't see how breaking up this squad that has been 5 years in the making is in Saints best interest. We need to spend money IMPROVING the squad not REPLACING them. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 3

11:07pm Thu 26 Jun 14

deepheat says...

Big Ron must be back from holiday.

If anyone knows about attacking defenders it is Big Ron and I am sure he has in mind a quality replacement. Even Cortese wouldn't have turned down £30million.

I expect a deal for Lallana will be made sooner than later which will just leave Lovren to sort out. Lovren is the one player I would love to stay and the only club that can offer the kind of money we are asking is Barcelona.

Being realistic, we are at least a couple of seasons away from a decent attempt at a CL place. It's exiting times at Southampton, New Manager, New players and a new season in the EPL. Bring it on. We fear no one.
Big Ron must be back from holiday. If anyone knows about attacking defenders it is Big Ron and I am sure he has in mind a quality replacement. Even Cortese wouldn't have turned down £30million. I expect a deal for Lallana will be made sooner than later which will just leave Lovren to sort out. Lovren is the one player I would love to stay and the only club that can offer the kind of money we are asking is Barcelona. Being realistic, we are at least a couple of seasons away from a decent attempt at a CL place. It's exiting times at Southampton, New Manager, New players and a new season in the EPL. Bring it on. We fear no one. deepheat
  • Score: 17

11:07pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Malcombe wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR
The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?
Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.
Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff!

You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.
oh come on seed play fair, les has only been in charge of `all` things football since march/April time. the players you mention there were all signed under NC`s command. Gaston is a great player who needs a run in the team but has lalla blocking his way, I don't think either MP or NA knew how to get the best out of him, if RK cant then he should be moved on but we wont lose that much money on him.
wanyama again real quality and it showed how much he did for the team after his injury. yes he isn't a flair player but we don't need or want him to be.
Osvaldo has talent but couldn't be bothered to even try to fit in. he was MP`s signing and MP even phoned him to get the deal to go through, cant see why les gets the blame for that one.
and now the enigma that is vergard forren, who signed him? well it appears no one knows, or is telling. NA was sacked on the day he signed and said he knew nothing about the deal. MP said he didn't sign him. so who did? well as NC was in charge of the purse strings at the time he would have had to have the final, if not only, say.
les reed may have been in charge of recruitment at the time but we all know who had overall say on everything.
Les was always one of the 'heads of department', see his interview whilst Cortese was still here. Cortese was a banker and a businessman, he ran the club and drove his vision. Are you saying he picked the transfers? That would be bizarre. Even Lowe didn't do that.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR[/p][/quote]The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?[/p][/quote]Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.[/p][/quote]Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff! You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.[/p][/quote]oh come on seed play fair, les has only been in charge of `all` things football since march/April time. the players you mention there were all signed under NC`s command. Gaston is a great player who needs a run in the team but has lalla blocking his way, I don't think either MP or NA knew how to get the best out of him, if RK cant then he should be moved on but we wont lose that much money on him. wanyama again real quality and it showed how much he did for the team after his injury. yes he isn't a flair player but we don't need or want him to be. Osvaldo has talent but couldn't be bothered to even try to fit in. he was MP`s signing and MP even phoned him to get the deal to go through, cant see why les gets the blame for that one. and now the enigma that is vergard forren, who signed him? well it appears no one knows, or is telling. NA was sacked on the day he signed and said he knew nothing about the deal. MP said he didn't sign him. so who did? well as NC was in charge of the purse strings at the time he would have had to have the final, if not only, say. les reed may have been in charge of recruitment at the time but we all know who had overall say on everything.[/p][/quote]Les was always one of the 'heads of department', see his interview whilst Cortese was still here. Cortese was a banker and a businessman, he ran the club and drove his vision. Are you saying he picked the transfers? That would be bizarre. Even Lowe didn't do that. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

11:07pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Harold K Steptoe says...

Is this a real 30m or the well known " up to 30m, meaning about 12-15m with the rest paid when he wins Wimbledon and cycles round the world left handed. Let's hope there's a good sell on fee.
Is this a real 30m or the well known " up to 30m, meaning about 12-15m with the rest paid when he wins Wimbledon and cycles round the world left handed. Let's hope there's a good sell on fee. Harold K Steptoe
  • Score: 6

11:12pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Malcombe wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR
The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?
Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.
Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff!

You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.
oh come on seed play fair, les has only been in charge of `all` things football since march/April time. the players you mention there were all signed under NC`s command. Gaston is a great player who needs a run in the team but has lalla blocking his way, I don't think either MP or NA knew how to get the best out of him, if RK cant then he should be moved on but we wont lose that much money on him.
wanyama again real quality and it showed how much he did for the team after his injury. yes he isn't a flair player but we don't need or want him to be.
Osvaldo has talent but couldn't be bothered to even try to fit in. he was MP`s signing and MP even phoned him to get the deal to go through, cant see why les gets the blame for that one.
and now the enigma that is vergard forren, who signed him? well it appears no one knows, or is telling. NA was sacked on the day he signed and said he knew nothing about the deal. MP said he didn't sign him. so who did? well as NC was in charge of the purse strings at the time he would have had to have the final, if not only, say.
les reed may have been in charge of recruitment at the time but we all know who had overall say on everything.
I also take your point on the signings and obviously Lovren was a stonking buy. But the three most expensive players in the clubs history were more subs than first team regulars. We don't have the sort of money to pay for the luxury of expensive subs particularly when the first team has weaknesses. We were a top striker short all season.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR[/p][/quote]The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?[/p][/quote]Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.[/p][/quote]Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff! You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.[/p][/quote]oh come on seed play fair, les has only been in charge of `all` things football since march/April time. the players you mention there were all signed under NC`s command. Gaston is a great player who needs a run in the team but has lalla blocking his way, I don't think either MP or NA knew how to get the best out of him, if RK cant then he should be moved on but we wont lose that much money on him. wanyama again real quality and it showed how much he did for the team after his injury. yes he isn't a flair player but we don't need or want him to be. Osvaldo has talent but couldn't be bothered to even try to fit in. he was MP`s signing and MP even phoned him to get the deal to go through, cant see why les gets the blame for that one. and now the enigma that is vergard forren, who signed him? well it appears no one knows, or is telling. NA was sacked on the day he signed and said he knew nothing about the deal. MP said he didn't sign him. so who did? well as NC was in charge of the purse strings at the time he would have had to have the final, if not only, say. les reed may have been in charge of recruitment at the time but we all know who had overall say on everything.[/p][/quote]I also take your point on the signings and obviously Lovren was a stonking buy. But the three most expensive players in the clubs history were more subs than first team regulars. We don't have the sort of money to pay for the luxury of expensive subs particularly when the first team has weaknesses. We were a top striker short all season. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

11:13pm Thu 26 Jun 14

SaintSteve76 says...

Although I completely agree that £30m is a lot of money for a left back, I can't help feeling that we are never going to be able to compete for a top 5 or 6 finish all the while the top teams are buying our best players. I'll feel a lot better however if we bring in 2 or 3 quality additions and keep hold of lallana, lovren, schneiderlain etc.
Although I completely agree that £30m is a lot of money for a left back, I can't help feeling that we are never going to be able to compete for a top 5 or 6 finish all the while the top teams are buying our best players. I'll feel a lot better however if we bring in 2 or 3 quality additions and keep hold of lallana, lovren, schneiderlain etc. SaintSteve76
  • Score: 4

11:14pm Thu 26 Jun 14

swesaint says...

sisaydo1 wrote:
Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!!
Every club is a selling club. Tell me one that doesn't sell?
[quote][p][bold]sisaydo1[/bold] wrote: Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!![/p][/quote]Every club is a selling club. Tell me one that doesn't sell? swesaint
  • Score: 1

11:16pm Thu 26 Jun 14

StElsass says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Malcombe wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR
The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?
Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.
Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff!

You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.
Seed. Best thing that can happen is the start of the season....you sound like you need a little positivity.

You up for Bompey for a little preseason warm up? Don't forget your flip flops!
He's so down a the moment Bill, he's calling them "flop flops"
lol

If there's a plan, if the money for Shaw is reinvested in the squad and not used to pay for Staplewood then maybe things aren't as gloomy as I fear. However, the departure of Cortese and then the failure to persuade MoPo to stay - after nearly every single player called for it - doesn't indicate that the club know what they're doing.
Normal service resumes. One piece of unwanted news and we have the repeat of the 'things were so much better with nc and mp' litany. Have they told rk they're selling the club in 2 years yet?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR[/p][/quote]The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?[/p][/quote]Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.[/p][/quote]Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff! You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.[/p][/quote]Seed. Best thing that can happen is the start of the season....you sound like you need a little positivity. You up for Bompey for a little preseason warm up? Don't forget your flip flops![/p][/quote]He's so down a the moment Bill, he's calling them "flop flops"[/p][/quote]lol If there's a plan, if the money for Shaw is reinvested in the squad and not used to pay for Staplewood then maybe things aren't as gloomy as I fear. However, the departure of Cortese and then the failure to persuade MoPo to stay - after nearly every single player called for it - doesn't indicate that the club know what they're doing.[/p][/quote]Normal service resumes. One piece of unwanted news and we have the repeat of the 'things were so much better with nc and mp' litany. Have they told rk they're selling the club in 2 years yet? StElsass
  • Score: 2

11:26pm Thu 26 Jun 14

upwherewebelong says...

StElsass wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Malcombe wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR
The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?
Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.
Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff!

You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.
Seed. Best thing that can happen is the start of the season....you sound like you need a little positivity.

You up for Bompey for a little preseason warm up? Don't forget your flip flops!
He's so down a the moment Bill, he's calling them "flop flops"
lol

If there's a plan, if the money for Shaw is reinvested in the squad and not used to pay for Staplewood then maybe things aren't as gloomy as I fear. However, the departure of Cortese and then the failure to persuade MoPo to stay - after nearly every single player called for it - doesn't indicate that the club know what they're doing.
Normal service resumes. One piece of unwanted news and we have the repeat of the 'things were so much better with nc and mp' litany. Have they told rk they're selling the club in 2 years yet?
Problem is there's hardly ever any good news under this board. If June is a shocking month for us saints fans lets hope July is much better. I still think this board is useless and must not be trusted as they don't care about saints
[quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR[/p][/quote]The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?[/p][/quote]Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.[/p][/quote]Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff! You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.[/p][/quote]Seed. Best thing that can happen is the start of the season....you sound like you need a little positivity. You up for Bompey for a little preseason warm up? Don't forget your flip flops![/p][/quote]He's so down a the moment Bill, he's calling them "flop flops"[/p][/quote]lol If there's a plan, if the money for Shaw is reinvested in the squad and not used to pay for Staplewood then maybe things aren't as gloomy as I fear. However, the departure of Cortese and then the failure to persuade MoPo to stay - after nearly every single player called for it - doesn't indicate that the club know what they're doing.[/p][/quote]Normal service resumes. One piece of unwanted news and we have the repeat of the 'things were so much better with nc and mp' litany. Have they told rk they're selling the club in 2 years yet?[/p][/quote]Problem is there's hardly ever any good news under this board. If June is a shocking month for us saints fans lets hope July is much better. I still think this board is useless and must not be trusted as they don't care about saints upwherewebelong
  • Score: -4

11:29pm Thu 26 Jun 14

echo1948 says...

When the Premier League was instigated in the 90,s, the FA assured all the teams involved that it would not turn out as it had in Scotland, where a handfull of teams had all the best players and won things year in,year out.Unfortunately this is what has happened,and it will continue to happen until some sort of legislation is introduced.So,in my opinion it makes sense that if you want to hold on to your best players you are better off playing in the Championship.
When the Premier League was instigated in the 90,s, the FA assured all the teams involved that it would not turn out as it had in Scotland, where a handfull of teams had all the best players and won things year in,year out.Unfortunately this is what has happened,and it will continue to happen until some sort of legislation is introduced.So,in my opinion it makes sense that if you want to hold on to your best players you are better off playing in the Championship. echo1948
  • Score: 1

11:30pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Benali76 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Malcombe wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR
The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?
Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.
Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff!

You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.
Or Cork, Clyne, Boric, Fonte, Lambert, JayRod, Davis, Lovren, and countless others who helped us as we worked our way up that we got very very right. Wanyama cannot be considered a poor signing, Ramirez hasn't quite worked and Ozvaldo was Pochitino's man. Forres is the only outright failure.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR[/p][/quote]The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?[/p][/quote]Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.[/p][/quote]Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff! You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.[/p][/quote]Or Cork, Clyne, Boric, Fonte, Lambert, JayRod, Davis, Lovren, and countless others who helped us as we worked our way up that we got very very right. Wanyama cannot be considered a poor signing, Ramirez hasn't quite worked and Ozvaldo was Pochitino's man. Forres is the only outright failure. Benali76
  • Score: 3

11:30pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Georgethepie says...

Let's hope he doesn't join the growing list of players that Manchester United have ruined over the years. Smalling, jones, Zaha some would say even Rooney. The top 4 clubs are killing the national squad certainly not Southampton FC because the can't bring through there own talent.
Let's hope he doesn't join the growing list of players that Manchester United have ruined over the years. Smalling, jones, Zaha some would say even Rooney. The top 4 clubs are killing the national squad certainly not Southampton FC because the can't bring through there own talent. Georgethepie
  • Score: 3

11:31pm Thu 26 Jun 14

buckie says...

i am very disappointed with the board once again season ticket money a month earlier than usual which i paid in cash now they have sold an England center forward after i paid my monies now they are selling England"s left back what for the next 15 years and we will get some cheap foreign import into replace Lambert and Shaw. Does this selling off the players mentioned make it more or less likely that Lallana.Schnedelin,C
hambers ,Jwp.Clyne or any other bright prospect will stay that is the real reason Poch left no ambition and can any fan that actually goes to games as i do explain to how the customers as we are benefit from the sales not 1 benefit for fans but the board is a different matter Thank you Mr Reed much appreciated
i am very disappointed with the board once again season ticket money a month earlier than usual which i paid in cash now they have sold an England center forward after i paid my monies now they are selling England"s left back what for the next 15 years and we will get some cheap foreign import into replace Lambert and Shaw. Does this selling off the players mentioned make it more or less likely that Lallana.Schnedelin,C hambers ,Jwp.Clyne or any other bright prospect will stay that is the real reason Poch left no ambition and can any fan that actually goes to games as i do explain to how the customers as we are benefit from the sales not 1 benefit for fans but the board is a different matter Thank you Mr Reed much appreciated buckie
  • Score: -3

11:37pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Benali76 says...

search for truth wrote:
Man U are the most indebted club in British football , how in hell's name can they pay £ 30 million ?
Sadly because of massive revenues, huge new sponsorship and shirt deals. Debt is all relative. £30m is nothing to them. If only people started following their local teams like we do the differentials wouldn't be so monumental. That is why the plastics deserve our scorn.
[quote][p][bold]search for truth[/bold] wrote: Man U are the most indebted club in British football , how in hell's name can they pay £ 30 million ?[/p][/quote]Sadly because of massive revenues, huge new sponsorship and shirt deals. Debt is all relative. £30m is nothing to them. If only people started following their local teams like we do the differentials wouldn't be so monumental. That is why the plastics deserve our scorn. Benali76
  • Score: 2

11:40pm Thu 26 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Georgethepie wrote:
Let's hope he doesn't join the growing list of players that Manchester United have ruined over the years. Smalling, jones, Zaha some would say even Rooney. The top 4 clubs are killing the national squad certainly not Southampton FC because the can't bring through there own talent.
I fear for Lukes future, the red tops will be relentless in their pursuit to find something to shoot him down, the threesome is just a taster for what is to come, Saints may have been able to protect him somewhat, I doubt if he will get similar protection once in the big League.
[quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: Let's hope he doesn't join the growing list of players that Manchester United have ruined over the years. Smalling, jones, Zaha some would say even Rooney. The top 4 clubs are killing the national squad certainly not Southampton FC because the can't bring through there own talent.[/p][/quote]I fear for Lukes future, the red tops will be relentless in their pursuit to find something to shoot him down, the threesome is just a taster for what is to come, Saints may have been able to protect him somewhat, I doubt if he will get similar protection once in the big League. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

11:42pm Thu 26 Jun 14

StElsass says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
StElsass wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Malcombe wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR
The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?
Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.
Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff!

You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.
Seed. Best thing that can happen is the start of the season....you sound like you need a little positivity.

You up for Bompey for a little preseason warm up? Don't forget your flip flops!
He's so down a the moment Bill, he's calling them "flop flops"
lol

If there's a plan, if the money for Shaw is reinvested in the squad and not used to pay for Staplewood then maybe things aren't as gloomy as I fear. However, the departure of Cortese and then the failure to persuade MoPo to stay - after nearly every single player called for it - doesn't indicate that the club know what they're doing.
Normal service resumes. One piece of unwanted news and we have the repeat of the 'things were so much better with nc and mp' litany. Have they told rk they're selling the club in 2 years yet?
Problem is there's hardly ever any good news under this board. If June is a shocking month for us saints fans lets hope July is much better. I still think this board is useless and must not be trusted as they don't care about saints
That's your opinion. I don't share it but I respect it.
Fact is, however, that this board is in charge now, not the previous one. I don't know what is going on behind the scenes, so I'll reserve my judgement until I see results on the pitch, which is the main thing, after all.
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR[/p][/quote]The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?[/p][/quote]Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.[/p][/quote]Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff! You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.[/p][/quote]Seed. Best thing that can happen is the start of the season....you sound like you need a little positivity. You up for Bompey for a little preseason warm up? Don't forget your flip flops![/p][/quote]He's so down a the moment Bill, he's calling them "flop flops"[/p][/quote]lol If there's a plan, if the money for Shaw is reinvested in the squad and not used to pay for Staplewood then maybe things aren't as gloomy as I fear. However, the departure of Cortese and then the failure to persuade MoPo to stay - after nearly every single player called for it - doesn't indicate that the club know what they're doing.[/p][/quote]Normal service resumes. One piece of unwanted news and we have the repeat of the 'things were so much better with nc and mp' litany. Have they told rk they're selling the club in 2 years yet?[/p][/quote]Problem is there's hardly ever any good news under this board. If June is a shocking month for us saints fans lets hope July is much better. I still think this board is useless and must not be trusted as they don't care about saints[/p][/quote]That's your opinion. I don't share it but I respect it. Fact is, however, that this board is in charge now, not the previous one. I don't know what is going on behind the scenes, so I'll reserve my judgement until I see results on the pitch, which is the main thing, after all. StElsass
  • Score: 3

11:42pm Thu 26 Jun 14

StElsass says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
StElsass wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Malcombe wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR
The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?
Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.
Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff!

You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.
Seed. Best thing that can happen is the start of the season....you sound like you need a little positivity.

You up for Bompey for a little preseason warm up? Don't forget your flip flops!
He's so down a the moment Bill, he's calling them "flop flops"
lol

If there's a plan, if the money for Shaw is reinvested in the squad and not used to pay for Staplewood then maybe things aren't as gloomy as I fear. However, the departure of Cortese and then the failure to persuade MoPo to stay - after nearly every single player called for it - doesn't indicate that the club know what they're doing.
Normal service resumes. One piece of unwanted news and we have the repeat of the 'things were so much better with nc and mp' litany. Have they told rk they're selling the club in 2 years yet?
Problem is there's hardly ever any good news under this board. If June is a shocking month for us saints fans lets hope July is much better. I still think this board is useless and must not be trusted as they don't care about saints
That's your opinion. I don't share it but I respect it.
Fact is, however, that this board is in charge now, not the previous one. I don't know what is going on behind the scenes, so I'll reserve my judgement until I see results on the pitch, which is the main thing, after all.
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR[/p][/quote]The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?[/p][/quote]Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.[/p][/quote]Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff! You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.[/p][/quote]Seed. Best thing that can happen is the start of the season....you sound like you need a little positivity. You up for Bompey for a little preseason warm up? Don't forget your flip flops![/p][/quote]He's so down a the moment Bill, he's calling them "flop flops"[/p][/quote]lol If there's a plan, if the money for Shaw is reinvested in the squad and not used to pay for Staplewood then maybe things aren't as gloomy as I fear. However, the departure of Cortese and then the failure to persuade MoPo to stay - after nearly every single player called for it - doesn't indicate that the club know what they're doing.[/p][/quote]Normal service resumes. One piece of unwanted news and we have the repeat of the 'things were so much better with nc and mp' litany. Have they told rk they're selling the club in 2 years yet?[/p][/quote]Problem is there's hardly ever any good news under this board. If June is a shocking month for us saints fans lets hope July is much better. I still think this board is useless and must not be trusted as they don't care about saints[/p][/quote]That's your opinion. I don't share it but I respect it. Fact is, however, that this board is in charge now, not the previous one. I don't know what is going on behind the scenes, so I'll reserve my judgement until I see results on the pitch, which is the main thing, after all. StElsass
  • Score: 0

11:43pm Thu 26 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

swesaint wrote:
sisaydo1 wrote:
Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!!
Every club is a selling club. Tell me one that doesn't sell?
Skates?
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sisaydo1[/bold] wrote: Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!![/p][/quote]Every club is a selling club. Tell me one that doesn't sell?[/p][/quote]Skates? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

12:01am Fri 27 Jun 14

St Van Roetford says...

Benali76 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Malcombe wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR
The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?
Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.
Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff!

You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.
Or Cork, Clyne, Boric, Fonte, Lambert, JayRod, Davis, Lovren, and countless others who helped us as we worked our way up that we got very very right. Wanyama cannot be considered a poor signing, Ramirez hasn't quite worked and Ozvaldo was Pochitino's man. Forres is the only outright failure.
It's also worth noting (as a minor side issue, perhaps) that in this time we've risen from league1 to the top half of the premier league. I think he sort of might know a little bit what he's doing.
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR[/p][/quote]The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?[/p][/quote]Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.[/p][/quote]Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff! You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.[/p][/quote]Or Cork, Clyne, Boric, Fonte, Lambert, JayRod, Davis, Lovren, and countless others who helped us as we worked our way up that we got very very right. Wanyama cannot be considered a poor signing, Ramirez hasn't quite worked and Ozvaldo was Pochitino's man. Forres is the only outright failure.[/p][/quote]It's also worth noting (as a minor side issue, perhaps) that in this time we've risen from league1 to the top half of the premier league. I think he sort of might know a little bit what he's doing. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 3

12:04am Fri 27 Jun 14

Billy Bowl says...

At the end of the day unlike 25 years ago unfortunately we're still a feeder club in today's environment. Absolutely gutted Lambert and Shaw have chosen to go elsewhere to warm the bench. Lallana next but at least he will be playing.
At the end of the day unlike 25 years ago unfortunately we're still a feeder club in today's environment. Absolutely gutted Lambert and Shaw have chosen to go elsewhere to warm the bench. Lallana next but at least he will be playing. Billy Bowl
  • Score: 0

12:15am Fri 27 Jun 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

SnapperSaint wrote:
Just accepting the inevitable I guess and who can blame an 18 year old wanting to move to (what he thinks is) a bigger club.
Thing is, he won't Champions League football for at least a season so why the rush...
So your'e doubting that Man Utd is a bigger club than silly little Southampton? I see you lot are still dreaming way outside of your reality then. Laughable !
[quote][p][bold]SnapperSaint[/bold] wrote: Just accepting the inevitable I guess and who can blame an 18 year old wanting to move to (what he thinks is) a bigger club. Thing is, he won't Champions League football for at least a season so why the rush...[/p][/quote]So your'e doubting that Man Utd is a bigger club than silly little Southampton? I see you lot are still dreaming way outside of your reality then. Laughable ! PressBoxTeaBoy
  • Score: -6

12:20am Fri 27 Jun 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

03alpe01 wrote:
sisaydo1 wrote:
Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!!
Fair play mate. I agree. He was always going to go. We bring a top academy talent through, we sell them on it's as simple as that. Staplewood is nothing more than a factory for the top six. It is a good deal in as much as £30m for an 18 year old left back is too good to turn down, but since Matt Le Tissier retired name me one academy graduate who has stayed loyal throughout his career. That isn't demanding a move to the top four.

SFC= SELLING FOOTBALL CLUB!!!
Or, SFC, small flicking club, which is what most of you on here need to wake up to.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sisaydo1[/bold] wrote: Whatever you lot sat about it being a good deal, look at Bale! get rid of your rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee. WE ARE A SELLING CLUB FULL STOP. come on bring on the thumbs down, but atleast I am a realist!!!![/p][/quote]Fair play mate. I agree. He was always going to go. We bring a top academy talent through, we sell them on it's as simple as that. Staplewood is nothing more than a factory for the top six. It is a good deal in as much as £30m for an 18 year old left back is too good to turn down, but since Matt Le Tissier retired name me one academy graduate who has stayed loyal throughout his career. That isn't demanding a move to the top four. SFC= SELLING FOOTBALL CLUB!!![/p][/quote]Or, SFC, small flicking club, which is what most of you on here need to wake up to. PressBoxTeaBoy
  • Score: -3

12:27am Fri 27 Jun 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Malcombe wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYRThe board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff!

You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.Seed. Best thing that can happen is the start of the season....you sound like you need a little positivity.

You up for Bompey for a little preseason warm up? Don't forget your flip flops!He's so down a the moment Bill, he's calling them "flop flopsLMFAO

Still not over Cortese leaving?? :'(

The guy quit when he got rumbled for paying himself £2million a year from a club that wasn't even a mid-table prem side at the time, plus taking the pi55 out of expenses. Regardless of the success under his reign as chairman, he couldn't be trusted.

Those four signings you mentioned - how about BORUC, CLYNE, LOVREN, CORK, S. DAVIS, JAY ROD, LAMBERT AND OF COURSE GULY DO PRADO........... TO NAME JUST A FEW SUCCESSFUL SIGNINGS LES REED HAS HAD A SAY IN!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR[/p][/quote]The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?[/p][/quote]Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.[/p][/quote]Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff! You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.[/p][/quote]Seed. Best thing that can happen is the start of the season....you sound like you need a little positivity. You up for Bompey for a little preseason warm up? Don't forget your flip flops![/p][/quote]He's so down a the moment Bill, he's calling them "flop flopsLMFAO Still not over Cortese leaving?? :'( The guy quit when he got rumbled for paying himself £2million a year from a club that wasn't even a mid-table prem side at the time, plus taking the pi55 out of expenses. Regardless of the success under his reign as chairman, he couldn't be trusted. Those four signings you mentioned - how about BORUC, CLYNE, LOVREN, CORK, S. DAVIS, JAY ROD, LAMBERT AND OF COURSE GULY DO PRADO........... TO NAME JUST A FEW SUCCESSFUL SIGNINGS LES REED HAS HAD A SAY IN!!!! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 4

12:33am Fri 27 Jun 14

Beer Monster says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
Let's hope he doesn't join the growing list of players that Manchester United have ruined over the years. Smalling, jones, Zaha some would say even Rooney. The top 4 clubs are killing the national squad certainly not Southampton FC because the can't bring through there own talent.
I fear for Lukes future, the red tops will be relentless in their pursuit to find something to shoot him down, the threesome is just a taster for what is to come, Saints may have been able to protect him somewhat, I doubt if he will get similar protection once in the big League.
Was thinking the same - Luke's the same as any 18 year old, he wants to go out and have fun with his mates or random glamour models. That's fine, and I wish him all the best, but as in the case of Suarez, the world will be watching his every move.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: Let's hope he doesn't join the growing list of players that Manchester United have ruined over the years. Smalling, jones, Zaha some would say even Rooney. The top 4 clubs are killing the national squad certainly not Southampton FC because the can't bring through there own talent.[/p][/quote]I fear for Lukes future, the red tops will be relentless in their pursuit to find something to shoot him down, the threesome is just a taster for what is to come, Saints may have been able to protect him somewhat, I doubt if he will get similar protection once in the big League.[/p][/quote]Was thinking the same - Luke's the same as any 18 year old, he wants to go out and have fun with his mates or random glamour models. That's fine, and I wish him all the best, but as in the case of Suarez, the world will be watching his every move. Beer Monster
  • Score: 1

12:56am Fri 27 Jun 14

Thankyounicola says...

How sad! We are still a selling club. Sold a gem who will serve Man U for 10-12 years. 30 million is so cheap. That's 2 osvaldos. This world is an unfair place sometimes. Players like him in 10 yrs time will even not mention Saints in any interviews. Something I have noticed with Alan Shearer. Always associates himself with Blackburn or Newcastle. Never mentions or acknowledges saints as his club.
How sad! We are still a selling club. Sold a gem who will serve Man U for 10-12 years. 30 million is so cheap. That's 2 osvaldos. This world is an unfair place sometimes. Players like him in 10 yrs time will even not mention Saints in any interviews. Something I have noticed with Alan Shearer. Always associates himself with Blackburn or Newcastle. Never mentions or acknowledges saints as his club. Thankyounicola
  • Score: 3

1:02am Fri 27 Jun 14

Thankyounicola says...

Benali76 wrote:
I will in time cheer him on as I do Bale and Walcott but right now I am very disappointed with Shaw. He has it all in life at 18 but he wants more and now!. It would be wise and honourable to stay here, surrounded by the people who know him and have nurtured him, playing in a good team with his mates as he develops further. Then in 2 years move, a better, more rounded individual. At United his every move is dissected by plastic know nothings, and he plays with a huge price tag like a monkey on his back. I sort of hope it works for him but a bit of me hope his greed bites him.
He is too good a player to fail. He is the next Rooney or Rio for Man U. Will stay there long term
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: I will in time cheer him on as I do Bale and Walcott but right now I am very disappointed with Shaw. He has it all in life at 18 but he wants more and now!. It would be wise and honourable to stay here, surrounded by the people who know him and have nurtured him, playing in a good team with his mates as he develops further. Then in 2 years move, a better, more rounded individual. At United his every move is dissected by plastic know nothings, and he plays with a huge price tag like a monkey on his back. I sort of hope it works for him but a bit of me hope his greed bites him.[/p][/quote]He is too good a player to fail. He is the next Rooney or Rio for Man U. Will stay there long term Thankyounicola
  • Score: 2

1:06am Fri 27 Jun 14

FindAndDestroy says...

Well....It's beginning to look like there will be nothing to look forward to next season..,There is no football passion left since Cortese departed...

Players have lost faith in the board...That's why there are all Jumping ship...

Very disappointed......

Im going to bed...
Well....It's beginning to look like there will be nothing to look forward to next season..,There is no football passion left since Cortese departed... Players have lost faith in the board...That's why there are all Jumping ship... Very disappointed...... Im going to bed... FindAndDestroy
  • Score: 1

1:09am Fri 27 Jun 14

Chapperall says...

I say 30m is a good deal for Saints. I am sure we will find an even better LB for a third of that price. At the end of the day he obviously thinks he got too big for the club and I would rather have a player who really wants to play for Saints than one that thinks he bigger than the club. My main concern is keeping Lallana, he's far more important to the shape of the team. I personally am excited about next season we have a first class proven manager who will bring in some great players and will improve the ones that stay. COYR
I say 30m is a good deal for Saints. I am sure we will find an even better LB for a third of that price. At the end of the day he obviously thinks he got too big for the club and I would rather have a player who really wants to play for Saints than one that thinks he bigger than the club. My main concern is keeping Lallana, he's far more important to the shape of the team. I personally am excited about next season we have a first class proven manager who will bring in some great players and will improve the ones that stay. COYR Chapperall
  • Score: 2

1:50am Fri 27 Jun 14

andoru says...

Accepted the inevitable a long time ago, but still feels disappointing. As I've said before, I don't care about the money. I'd just like, for once, our star academy players to pay us a return on the investment by playing for us. I'm tired of the club being used.
Accepted the inevitable a long time ago, but still feels disappointing. As I've said before, I don't care about the money. I'd just like, for once, our star academy players to pay us a return on the investment by playing for us. I'm tired of the club being used. andoru
  • Score: 2

1:50am Fri 27 Jun 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Malcombe wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR
The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?
Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.
Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff!

You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.
oh come on seed play fair, les has only been in charge of `all` things football since march/April time. the players you mention there were all signed under NC`s command. Gaston is a great player who needs a run in the team but has lalla blocking his way, I don't think either MP or NA knew how to get the best out of him, if RK cant then he should be moved on but we wont lose that much money on him.
wanyama again real quality and it showed how much he did for the team after his injury. yes he isn't a flair player but we don't need or want him to be.
Osvaldo has talent but couldn't be bothered to even try to fit in. he was MP`s signing and MP even phoned him to get the deal to go through, cant see why les gets the blame for that one.
and now the enigma that is vergard forren, who signed him? well it appears no one knows, or is telling. NA was sacked on the day he signed and said he knew nothing about the deal. MP said he didn't sign him. so who did? well as NC was in charge of the purse strings at the time he would have had to have the final, if not only, say.
les reed may have been in charge of recruitment at the time but we all know who had overall say on everything.
I also take your point on the signings and obviously Lovren was a stonking buy. But the three most expensive players in the clubs history were more subs than first team regulars. We don't have the sort of money to pay for the luxury of expensive subs particularly when the first team has weaknesses. We were a top striker short all season.
as others have pointed out seed, for every half bad signing you point out there are 2-3 great signings, you cant criticise a man for a couple of off signings but not praise him for the great signings.
was gaston`s signing a NC idea? well why did we chase a Uruguay international playing in Italy? NC obviously has a lot of contacts in Italy so was he persuaded to buy him by them? I still think gaston is a quality buy and was brought in because the club weren't sure if lalla would step up.
Big Vic cant be considered a luxury sub as he was a first team regular until his injuries, and we were a lot stronger with him playing than without.
the fact of the mater is that if we want to compete with the `big` clubs we need more expensive players siting on the bench. I know that may not be popular and seen as a waste of money but we need players who can change games, and they cost money whether we like it or not.
NC has been accused by some, I think you might have in the past as well (so have I), of running the club as a megalomaniac, controlling everything. so yes I do think he had a strong hand in which players we went for. les and his department would have drawn up a list of targets, but as we had no board the final decision would have been NC`s. we were told that he had to be convinced by AP to pay out £1mill for rickie.
NC was great for the club and was what the club needed at the time but he also made a lot of enemies both inside and outside the club.
the team has got some weaknesses but not when we brought gaston or Big Vic or Dejan, they were additions to a good squad, and I think we did try to strengthen our defence further when NA was in charge because he indicated that we were going to get a surprise signing, but for whatever reason that didn't come off. we now do have a weak squad with rickie gone luke going and j-rod out for a couple of months, I do believe though that we will sign some exciting players and maybe have some more expensive subs, not by making poor choices but through design.
not happy we seem to have let luke go as I think hes a far better defender than some give him credit for.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: It's all about money, at 18 years old his 1 months Salary could pay off his parents Mortgage and 1 years Salary could buy him Luxury homes and homes for his brothers and sisters and luxury Cars, we do not begrudge young Players moving for money but we've all been put through the Wringer with all this transfer talk since having the best finish in the Premiership and the Team is being ripped apart without ever knowing how the next season would of shape out with such a good Team and how they would progress and it's left a nasty taste for all Supporters. Nobody's indispensable and us Supporters have learnt from this and will know what to expect at the end of every season obviously we hope not and we certainly do not want a repeat but hopefully all the remaining Clubs in the Premiership should be aware as they should expect the same in the future. We do not know who will be the left back what we can depend on is the Board can be trusted and have it planned as Les Reed has indicated because nothing can be taken for granted, it proves the Club will always be one step ahead and the replacement could be even better than Luke who becomes another ex Saint to go down in history as one of the few Players who lacked passion and loyalty not for his ability and skill or for his Team mates and previous Manager but for the Club who he didn't want to play for and hasn't an ounce of gratitude to the Club who got him where here is today so he will be another statistic but suddenly I'm shaking out of self pity for what the Club will get £30 million must be a profit of £29 million with the benefit that it has cost the Club £1 million to nurture him for 10 years, we all move on COYR[/p][/quote]The board can be trusted? Les Reed has a plan? The club will always be one step ahead? Nice. What if you're wrong Malcombe?[/p][/quote]Lou Reed's decisions on the footballing side of things have been pretty spot on so far, I'd say. I think he's more than earned the benefit of any doubt.[/p][/quote]Yes that's right. He is in charge of all things football and has a team of 20 staff monitoring players throughout Europe and the wider world. He sits up long in to the night poring over the mountains of data analysing it down to the minutest of detail. Then he chucks it in the bin and buys Gaston, Wanyama, Osvaldo and Forren, awesome stuff! You know what? I reckon if that fifty odd million had been better spent things would be different today.[/p][/quote]oh come on seed play fair, les has only been in charge of `all` things football since march/April time. the players you mention there were all signed under NC`s command. Gaston is a great player who needs a run in the team but has lalla blocking his way, I don't think either MP or NA knew how to get the best out of him, if RK cant then he should be moved on but we wont lose that much money on him. wanyama again real quality and it showed how much he did for the team after his injury. yes he isn't a flair player but we don't need or want him to be. Osvaldo has talent but couldn't be bothered to even try to fit in. he was MP`s signing and MP even phoned him to get the deal to go through, cant see why les gets the blame for that one. and now the enigma that is vergard forren, who signed him? well it appears no one knows, or is telling. NA was sacked on the day he signed and said he knew nothing about the deal. MP said he didn't sign him. so who did? well as NC was in charge of the purse strings at the time he would have had to have the final, if not only, say. les reed may have been in charge of recruitment at the time but we all know who had overall say on everything.[/p][/quote]I also take your point on the signings and obviously Lovren was a stonking buy. But the three most expensive players in the clubs history were more subs than first team regulars. We don't have the sort of money to pay for the luxury of expensive subs particularly when the first team has weaknesses. We were a top striker short all season.[/p][/quote]as others have pointed out seed, for every half bad signing you point out there are 2-3 great signings, you cant criticise a man for a couple of off signings but not praise him for the great signings. was gaston`s signing a NC idea? well why did we chase a Uruguay international playing in Italy? NC obviously has a lot of contacts in Italy so was he persuaded to buy him by them? I still think gaston is a quality buy and was brought in because the club weren't sure if lalla would step up. Big Vic cant be considered a luxury sub as he was a first team regular until his injuries, and we were a lot stronger with him playing than without. the fact of the mater is that if we want to compete with the `big` clubs we need more expensive players siting on the bench. I know that may not be popular and seen as a waste of money but we need players who can change games, and they cost money whether we like it or not. NC has been accused by some, I think you might have in the past as well (so have I), of running the club as a megalomaniac, controlling everything. so yes I do think he had a strong hand in which players we went for. les and his department would have drawn up a list of targets, but as we had no board the final decision would have been NC`s. we were told that he had to be convinced by AP to pay out £1mill for rickie. NC was great for the club and was what the club needed at the time but he also made a lot of enemies both inside and outside the club. the team has got some weaknesses but not when we brought gaston or Big Vic or Dejan, they were additions to a good squad, and I think we did try to strengthen our defence further when NA was in charge because he indicated that we were going to get a surprise signing, but for whatever reason that didn't come off. we now do have a weak squad with rickie gone luke going and j-rod out for a couple of months, I do believe though that we will sign some exciting players and maybe have some more expensive subs, not by making poor choices but through design. not happy we seem to have let luke go as I think hes a far better defender than some give him credit for. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -1

3:33am Fri 27 Jun 14

Georgethepie says...

Beer Monster wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
Let's hope he doesn't join the growing list of players that Manchester United have ruined over the years. Smalling, jones, Zaha some would say even Rooney. The top 4 clubs are killing the national squad certainly not Southampton FC because the can't bring through there own talent.
I fear for Lukes future, the red tops will be relentless in their pursuit to find something to shoot him down, the threesome is just a taster for what is to come, Saints may have been able to protect him somewhat, I doubt if he will get similar protection once in the big League.
Was thinking the same - Luke's the same as any 18 year old, he wants to go out and have fun with his mates or random glamour models. That's fine, and I wish him all the best, but as in the case of Suarez, the world will be watching his every move.
When you look at it over the last 5 years you could make a bloody good national team from English talent that has gone to a top 4 club only to warm a bench.
Honestly can you say Wallcot, Oxlade, Rodwell, Milner, Jones, Smalling, Zaha, Richards, along with many others have improved after moving on.
Big clubs are killing the national game and as mentioned above without protection I fear Shaw will go the same way. Still better to eat a glamour model than some Italian defender and if you can earn 100k a week while doing it that has to be bonus that said I fear for his future and that of the national team.
Saints however I believe will do ok from this bit of business RL is a bigger loss in my book
[quote][p][bold]Beer Monster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: Let's hope he doesn't join the growing list of players that Manchester United have ruined over the years. Smalling, jones, Zaha some would say even Rooney. The top 4 clubs are killing the national squad certainly not Southampton FC because the can't bring through there own talent.[/p][/quote]I fear for Lukes future, the red tops will be relentless in their pursuit to find something to shoot him down, the threesome is just a taster for what is to come, Saints may have been able to protect him somewhat, I doubt if he will get similar protection once in the big League.[/p][/quote]Was thinking the same - Luke's the same as any 18 year old, he wants to go out and have fun with his mates or random glamour models. That's fine, and I wish him all the best, but as in the case of Suarez, the world will be watching his every move.[/p][/quote]When you look at it over the last 5 years you could make a bloody good national team from English talent that has gone to a top 4 club only to warm a bench. Honestly can you say Wallcot, Oxlade, Rodwell, Milner, Jones, Smalling, Zaha, Richards, along with many others have improved after moving on. Big clubs are killing the national game and as mentioned above without protection I fear Shaw will go the same way. Still better to eat a glamour model than some Italian defender and if you can earn 100k a week while doing it that has to be bonus that said I fear for his future and that of the national team. Saints however I believe will do ok from this bit of business RL is a bigger loss in my book Georgethepie
  • Score: 3

4:04am Fri 27 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

OUR SQUAD WAS ALREADY WAFER THIN OR LIGHT ON TOP QUALITY.

Lambo and SHAW to go - WE REALLY DO NEED TO INVEST.

NUMBER 1 KEEPER - TOP STRIKER - COVER FOR TOP STRIKER - LEFT BACK - CB - AND PACY WINGER.

NEWS OF SIGNINGS NOW NEEDED.
OUR SQUAD WAS ALREADY WAFER THIN OR LIGHT ON TOP QUALITY. Lambo and SHAW to go - WE REALLY DO NEED TO INVEST. NUMBER 1 KEEPER - TOP STRIKER - COVER FOR TOP STRIKER - LEFT BACK - CB - AND PACY WINGER. NEWS OF SIGNINGS NOW NEEDED. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 1

4:53am Fri 27 Jun 14

Bazultra says...

Considering since the Liebheers took over were not a selling club anymore we have not done bad in selling our 2 best starlets Chambo and Shaw. To rub salt in the woulds they sold our talisman Rickie as well. I wonder how many millions more will be lining their pockets. Totally gutted here SAME OLD SAINTS still rings true with me!!!!!!!
Considering since the Liebheers took over were not a selling club anymore we have not done bad in selling our 2 best starlets Chambo and Shaw. To rub salt in the woulds they sold our talisman Rickie as well. I wonder how many millions more will be lining their pockets. Totally gutted here SAME OLD SAINTS still rings true with me!!!!!!! Bazultra
  • Score: -3

4:57am Fri 27 Jun 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

NewForestStu wrote:
I'll be Shaw to boo him off the park when he returns to SMS. What is the point of it all....got me ST but is there really any point to this game anymore. Not that fussec on him going but the fact we nurtured the lad and at the first sniff he is off. Get stuffed nipper...the grass aint always greener.
FAIR ONE !!

I can accept Players do COME and GO - however we are now officially a SELLING CLUB and worst than that .... We have broken RULE No 1 #

WE ARE SELLING TO OUR COMPETITORS IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE.
[quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: I'll be Shaw to boo him off the park when he returns to SMS. What is the point of it all....got me ST but is there really any point to this game anymore. Not that fussec on him going but the fact we nurtured the lad and at the first sniff he is off. Get stuffed nipper...the grass aint always greener.[/p][/quote]FAIR ONE !! I can accept Players do COME and GO - however we are now officially a SELLING CLUB and worst than that .... We have broken RULE No 1 # WE ARE SELLING TO OUR COMPETITORS IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 3

6:30am Fri 27 Jun 14

Blackknight says...

Money grabbing agents at work behind the scenes engineered this transfer no doubt. Luke could be entering a fairly hostile environment trying to depose the team captain at Manure. Hope Saints screwed ever last penny out the deal and have inserted a big sell on clause.

Sad that Jason Dodd who did so much to help develop Shaw is no longer at the club. However like it or lump it, the harsh reality is that Saints have a financial model that involves developing young talent then selling them on.

Let's at least hope, this and any other transfer monies are reinvested in the team and not in the share portfolio of the Liebherr family.
Money grabbing agents at work behind the scenes engineered this transfer no doubt. Luke could be entering a fairly hostile environment trying to depose the team captain at Manure. Hope Saints screwed ever last penny out the deal and have inserted a big sell on clause. Sad that Jason Dodd who did so much to help develop Shaw is no longer at the club. However like it or lump it, the harsh reality is that Saints have a financial model that involves developing young talent then selling them on. Let's at least hope, this and any other transfer monies are reinvested in the team and not in the share portfolio of the Liebherr family. Blackknight
  • Score: 2

6:58am Fri 27 Jun 14

st.athan saint says...

markodarko29 wrote:
Yeh a good player but at the same age I think bale was far superior ,if the money offered is above the 30m mark this is a great deal for saints and cannot be turned down ,hope the money is spent wisely
cant agree Bale was a better player. nowhere near as physically developed as Shaw and only playing in championship. And Bale's defence !!
[quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: Yeh a good player but at the same age I think bale was far superior ,if the money offered is above the 30m mark this is a great deal for saints and cannot be turned down ,hope the money is spent wisely[/p][/quote]cant agree Bale was a better player. nowhere near as physically developed as Shaw and only playing in championship. And Bale's defence !! st.athan saint
  • Score: 1

7:46am Fri 27 Jun 14

BarnetSaint says...

Sorry but I feel deflated by this whole business.
The fee is now being reported as £27M.
Which rat is next to jump ship?
Yes hopefully Target will come in and do well. .......Then the vultures will come in for him.
We have a billionaire owner , millions from sky yet we can't seem to stop this outward flow of our best players.
Last season we were mighty close to breaking in to the top 6, couple more additions to squad and we were there.
Still, Ralph said we were in a difficult financial position.
Happy now.
Sorry but I feel deflated by this whole business. The fee is now being reported as £27M. Which rat is next to jump ship? Yes hopefully Target will come in and do well. .......Then the vultures will come in for him. We have a billionaire owner , millions from sky yet we can't seem to stop this outward flow of our best players. Last season we were mighty close to breaking in to the top 6, couple more additions to squad and we were there. Still, Ralph said we were in a difficult financial position. Happy now. BarnetSaint
  • Score: 1

8:02am Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

Don't fully understand how some, in their disappointment at losing Shaw have managed to turn it into an argument involving Reed. It's too early to say whether Wannayamoney or Gaston are Saints stars or bench warmers. Both have been injury plagued since arrival. Gaston had a bloody awful ankle injury which kept him away far too long and when he came back he went over on the same ankle - looks to have settled now and I think we can expect a good fully season from him. He was being chased by several big clubs at the time we signed him, the same for Wannayamoney - If they stay with Saints I think these two will come good.
Osvaldo - well I guess Reed or whoever made the final decision was swayed by Pinchatinny who had prior knowledge and clearly liked the player. If he'd stayed heading the ball instead of his own CB we may have been singing a different song about him - we'll never know. Davis and Cork were both cracking additions regardless of who signed them so it's not all gloom and doom fellas. We don't know how much Rambo has already in the kitty and how much of the Shaw deal is going to be cash up front but I guess he will have approx 40m after that deal to play with. Maybe another 6-8m if Osvaldo finds a buyer. Targett can warm the bench for a season till he's ready to take over that spot and we need a tried and tested LB to fill the hole in the meantime. There will still be money aplenty left over to fill the other spots. Buy English, buy from the lower divisions and nurture them - it's the Southampton way.
Don't fully understand how some, in their disappointment at losing Shaw have managed to turn it into an argument involving Reed. It's too early to say whether Wannayamoney or Gaston are Saints stars or bench warmers. Both have been injury plagued since arrival. Gaston had a bloody awful ankle injury which kept him away far too long and when he came back he went over on the same ankle - looks to have settled now and I think we can expect a good fully season from him. He was being chased by several big clubs at the time we signed him, the same for Wannayamoney - If they stay with Saints I think these two will come good. Osvaldo - well I guess Reed or whoever made the final decision was swayed by Pinchatinny who had prior knowledge and clearly liked the player. If he'd stayed heading the ball instead of his own CB we may have been singing a different song about him - we'll never know. Davis and Cork were both cracking additions regardless of who signed them so it's not all gloom and doom fellas. We don't know how much Rambo has already in the kitty and how much of the Shaw deal is going to be cash up front but I guess he will have approx 40m after that deal to play with. Maybe another 6-8m if Osvaldo finds a buyer. Targett can warm the bench for a season till he's ready to take over that spot and we need a tried and tested LB to fill the hole in the meantime. There will still be money aplenty left over to fill the other spots. Buy English, buy from the lower divisions and nurture them - it's the Southampton way. jls217
  • Score: -1

8:05am Fri 27 Jun 14

jls217 says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
NewForestStu wrote:
I'll be Shaw to boo him off the park when he returns to SMS. What is the point of it all....got me ST but is there really any point to this game anymore. Not that fussec on him going but the fact we nurtured the lad and at the first sniff he is off. Get stuffed nipper...the grass aint always greener.
FAIR ONE !!

I can accept Players do COME and GO - however we are now officially a SELLING CLUB and worst than that .... We have broken RULE No 1 #

WE ARE SELLING TO OUR COMPETITORS IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE.
It gets worse mate - we are selling our English player to our competitors - little future in that if all we're going to do is replace them with cheaper foreigners, this makes us part of the problem whereas for a while we could've been part of a solution. We need more English players in the PL.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: I'll be Shaw to boo him off the park when he returns to SMS. What is the point of it all....got me ST but is there really any point to this game anymore. Not that fussec on him going but the fact we nurtured the lad and at the first sniff he is off. Get stuffed nipper...the grass aint always greener.[/p][/quote]FAIR ONE !! I can accept Players do COME and GO - however we are now officially a SELLING CLUB and worst than that .... We have broken RULE No 1 # WE ARE SELLING TO OUR COMPETITORS IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE.[/p][/quote]It gets worse mate - we are selling our English player to our competitors - little future in that if all we're going to do is replace them with cheaper foreigners, this makes us part of the problem whereas for a while we could've been part of a solution. We need more English players in the PL. jls217
  • Score: 1

9:19am Fri 27 Jun 14

andy newbury says...

just do not want to see roy hodgson anywhere near saints ground anymore,not really his fault but the senario that goes with his visits is no good for the saints, very good for england but not for the saints club as a whole. I care about england but I care more for the saints!!!!!!!!!!!
just do not want to see roy hodgson anywhere near saints ground anymore,not really his fault but the senario that goes with his visits is no good for the saints, very good for england but not for the saints club as a whole. I care about england but I care more for the saints!!!!!!!!!!! andy newbury
  • Score: 1

9:59am Fri 27 Jun 14

steekeemcglue says...

Message for Seedhouse : I have been reading posts on this forum for 5 years and very occasionally comment.... Your comments have always been amongst the best , cutting, accurate and confident.... It seems like the wind has been taken out of your sails a bit of late... no need... TinTin's red and white army will re-emerge as phase 2 of the clubs journey back to the top flight proper and you will not be disappointed. Keep the faith. We are a selling club, but so what, this is football and clever selling clubs can do very well. :-)
Message for Seedhouse : I have been reading posts on this forum for 5 years and very occasionally comment.... Your comments have always been amongst the best , cutting, accurate and confident.... It seems like the wind has been taken out of your sails a bit of late... no need... TinTin's red and white army will re-emerge as phase 2 of the clubs journey back to the top flight proper and you will not be disappointed. Keep the faith. We are a selling club, but so what, this is football and clever selling clubs can do very well. :-) steekeemcglue
  • Score: 1

11:02am Fri 27 Jun 14

ShanoBrizzy says...

IF he goes.. he instantly becomes the opposition, and for that reason only I wish him the poorest of luck.
IF he goes.. he instantly becomes the opposition, and for that reason only I wish him the poorest of luck. ShanoBrizzy
  • Score: 1

12:38pm Fri 27 Jun 14

bathsaints says...

From a greed point of view I can understand Lukes desire to go but not for footballing. Manure aren't in champions league and with the top 4 or 5 strengthening too there is no guarantee they are going to get back in this year, they still have Evra and so he isn't guaranteed a regular start and he has only really had one good season and probably needs a few to be considered great. At 18 this is a bizarre decision unless there is something going on behind the scenes that we can only speculate about which is tipping players over the edge in terms of them wanting to leave. If this is a done deal and he goes then lets hope he is the last player in this window! If United are convinced he is their player and he is convinced he wants a long-term future at manure then we should be insisting not only a good sell on clause but also that he is loaned back for a season or 2 whilst evra finishes off his career, this has worked with other clubs and represents a good compromise. Whatever happens lets hope we have a team that continues to be upwardly mobile come the start of the season! Despite all the uncertainty that always hovers around our great club I'd still rather be a Saints supporter than a plastic supporter of one of the so called 'big' teams any day!
From a greed point of view I can understand Lukes desire to go but not for footballing. Manure aren't in champions league and with the top 4 or 5 strengthening too there is no guarantee they are going to get back in this year, they still have Evra and so he isn't guaranteed a regular start and he has only really had one good season and probably needs a few to be considered great. At 18 this is a bizarre decision unless there is something going on behind the scenes that we can only speculate about which is tipping players over the edge in terms of them wanting to leave. If this is a done deal and he goes then lets hope he is the last player in this window! If United are convinced he is their player and he is convinced he wants a long-term future at manure then we should be insisting not only a good sell on clause but also that he is loaned back for a season or 2 whilst evra finishes off his career, this has worked with other clubs and represents a good compromise. Whatever happens lets hope we have a team that continues to be upwardly mobile come the start of the season! Despite all the uncertainty that always hovers around our great club I'd still rather be a Saints supporter than a plastic supporter of one of the so called 'big' teams any day! bathsaints
  • Score: 0

1:39pm Fri 27 Jun 14

bathsaints says...

apparently it's been reported as completed!
apparently it's been reported as completed! bathsaints
  • Score: 0

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