Pochettino: We've got to be perfect to get a result

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Mauricio Pochettino insists Saints will have no fear when they visit title chasing Manchester City tomorrow – but admitted his side will need to be almost “perfect” to get a result.

Pochettino has an enviable record against City since taking over at Saints with two games at St Mary’s yielding a win and a draw.

City are a very tough proposition at the Etihad though with wins in 45 of their last 52 home league matches and just three defeats. They have scored 144 times in that period with only 36 conceded.

Saints will be up against it but Pochettino remains optimistic.

“In the time we have been here we have always shown full respect to our opposition whoever we are facing but never any fear,” said the Saints boss.

“We are never fearful of who we are playing against, we always try to play our game, to impose our style, to be brave regardless of the opposition we are facing.

“We know we are going to be facing very tough opposition against Manchester City but we are still going to be trying to play our game.”

Speaking of his success against City he continued: “Against all sides we do variations, so we have different aspects in how we set up.

“Overall the 95, 96, 97, 98 or 99 per cent of the time we are wanting to dominate the game.

“That is always our mentality.

“We know we are going to be playing against Manchester City and we need to be fully focussed not just tactically but technically as well, individually and collectively.

“Pretty much we need to be perfect to get something out of that game.”

City have an injury doubt over top scorer and talisman Sergio Aguero.

However, far from hoping he doesn’t make it Pochettino is hoping he is fit to play.

“I would like to be playing against him,” said Pochettino.

“I think injuries are a very hard process to withstand, it is not easy for any player, and I always want to be facing the best players who are fully fit.

“I hope he is able to play and looking ahead to the World Cup that increases his chances of going to the World Cup.

“I wish that all the players who are injured or coming back from injury are able to be fully fit and do their job.

“It is clear that I do like facing the best players such as Wayne Rooney, Sergio Aguero, David Silva, Luis Suarez, it’s a pleasure to be playing against such quality players and also to be competing and perhaps winning against them.

“It’s clear that Sergio Aguero is at the same level as these other players I have mentioned.

“He is part of this group of elite world class players that I’ve mentioned.

“I’m sure he would make the top 20, 25 or 30 players in the world.”

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5:19am Fri 4 Apr 14

batesieboy says...

Saints should show no fear, just be humble, play the natural game, and finish those chances!
Saints should show no fear, just be humble, play the natural game, and finish those chances! batesieboy
  • Score: 23

5:41am Fri 4 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Poch has gone from 'we can win' to 'we need to be perfect to get something' since reading Snooks comments! See what negativity can do?
Poch has gone from 'we can win' to 'we need to be perfect to get something' since reading Snooks comments! See what negativity can do? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 17

6:47am Fri 4 Apr 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

I love Poch's attitude. It's wonderful.

Best attitude I've seen in a long time. I truly will not be surprised if we lose given how strong Citeh have been this season however we really don't have anything to lose from this match so we might as well go for it.

great times. lovely position to be in.
I love Poch's attitude. It's wonderful. Best attitude I've seen in a long time. I truly will not be surprised if we lose given how strong Citeh have been this season however we really don't have anything to lose from this match so we might as well go for it. great times. lovely position to be in. Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 14

7:21am Fri 4 Apr 14

jrod11 says...

The 300 or so red army will outsing City for 90 mins. uts
The 300 or so red army will outsing City for 90 mins. uts jrod11
  • Score: 0

8:19am Fri 4 Apr 14

Blackknight says...

According to talkSPORT, Manure are plotting a double swoop worth £50 million for England duo Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw. That's up from the original £30 million the press were speculating about a few weeks ago. If they both go to Brazil and do well they will be worth even more. And not surprisingly the Press have also been speculating on bids for many of the Saints squad this season.

If we are going to beat the likes of Man City now and in the future an interesting dichotomy exists. This is between a model of mid table mediocrity and financial security, where we have to sell our best players and one of how much investment Katharina Liebherr is prepared to put into the club in order to achieve the riches of the Champions League, and being able to keep our best players; so we can challenge at the top.
According to talkSPORT, Manure are plotting a double swoop worth £50 million for England duo Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw. That's up from the original £30 million the press were speculating about a few weeks ago. If they both go to Brazil and do well they will be worth even more. And not surprisingly the Press have also been speculating on bids for many of the Saints squad this season. If we are going to beat the likes of Man City now and in the future an interesting dichotomy exists. This is between a model of mid table mediocrity and financial security, where we have to sell our best players and one of how much investment Katharina Liebherr is prepared to put into the club in order to achieve the riches of the Champions League, and being able to keep our best players; so we can challenge at the top. Blackknight
  • Score: 10

8:30am Fri 4 Apr 14

miltonarcher says...

Check out the Villa away strip from last weekend. How about a red and white version for next season to replace the current abysmal home shirt. An updated version would also hark back to our early history.

If our club has any ambition to finish higher in the league the board need to sort a new contract for Poch and give him a transfer budget. Perhaps this will also put an end to all this press rubbish about a player exodus.
Check out the Villa away strip from last weekend. How about a red and white version for next season to replace the current abysmal home shirt. An updated version would also hark back to our early history. If our club has any ambition to finish higher in the league the board need to sort a new contract for Poch and give him a transfer budget. Perhaps this will also put an end to all this press rubbish about a player exodus. miltonarcher
  • Score: 8

9:09am Fri 4 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

A fuss was made earlier this week because we owe £27m or so. I've just googled Premier League debt, the latest figures available are the season before last. A couple without debt and Chelsea with £878m are the extremes. However the average debt dwarfs ours.
A fuss was made earlier this week because we owe £27m or so. I've just googled Premier League debt, the latest figures available are the season before last. A couple without debt and Chelsea with £878m are the extremes. However the average debt dwarfs ours. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 10

9:44am Fri 4 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
A fuss was made earlier this week because we owe £27m or so. I've just googled Premier League debt, the latest figures available are the season before last. A couple without debt and Chelsea with £878m are the extremes. However the average debt dwarfs ours.
I' imagine this debt was caused by the signings of Osvaldo(tw@t) Dejan and Victor. There is a good chance we will get our money back on Osvaldo (thick tw@t) and that we would make a profit on Victor and a large profit on Dejan. So it's bit like having a mortgage during times when prices are rising. Once you have paid off the debt you are left with an asset worh more than the debt was. So yes, we do owe money but our assets far outstrip the figure. It's just the press inventing stories.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: A fuss was made earlier this week because we owe £27m or so. I've just googled Premier League debt, the latest figures available are the season before last. A couple without debt and Chelsea with £878m are the extremes. However the average debt dwarfs ours.[/p][/quote]I' imagine this debt was caused by the signings of Osvaldo(tw@t) Dejan and Victor. There is a good chance we will get our money back on Osvaldo (thick tw@t) and that we would make a profit on Victor and a large profit on Dejan. So it's bit like having a mortgage during times when prices are rising. Once you have paid off the debt you are left with an asset worh more than the debt was. So yes, we do owe money but our assets far outstrip the figure. It's just the press inventing stories. Clever Dick
  • Score: 4

9:53am Fri 4 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

Blackknight wrote:
According to talkSPORT, Manure are plotting a double swoop worth £50 million for England duo Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw. That's up from the original £30 million the press were speculating about a few weeks ago. If they both go to Brazil and do well they will be worth even more. And not surprisingly the Press have also been speculating on bids for many of the Saints squad this season.

If we are going to beat the likes of Man City now and in the future an interesting dichotomy exists. This is between a model of mid table mediocrity and financial security, where we have to sell our best players and one of how much investment Katharina Liebherr is prepared to put into the club in order to achieve the riches of the Champions League, and being able to keep our best players; so we can challenge at the top.
All this speculation is not going to end now. At least they are startingto get a bit closer to the correct figure.
[quote][p][bold]Blackknight[/bold] wrote: According to talkSPORT, Manure are plotting a double swoop worth £50 million for England duo Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw. That's up from the original £30 million the press were speculating about a few weeks ago. If they both go to Brazil and do well they will be worth even more. And not surprisingly the Press have also been speculating on bids for many of the Saints squad this season. If we are going to beat the likes of Man City now and in the future an interesting dichotomy exists. This is between a model of mid table mediocrity and financial security, where we have to sell our best players and one of how much investment Katharina Liebherr is prepared to put into the club in order to achieve the riches of the Champions League, and being able to keep our best players; so we can challenge at the top.[/p][/quote]All this speculation is not going to end now. At least they are startingto get a bit closer to the correct figure. Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

10:01am Fri 4 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
A fuss was made earlier this week because we owe £27m or so. I've just googled Premier League debt, the latest figures available are the season before last. A couple without debt and Chelsea with £878m are the extremes. However the average debt dwarfs ours.
I' imagine this debt was caused by the signings of Osvaldo(tw@t) Dejan and Victor. There is a good chance we will get our money back on Osvaldo (thick tw@t) and that we would make a profit on Victor and a large profit on Dejan. So it's bit like having a mortgage during times when prices are rising. Once you have paid off the debt you are left with an asset worh more than the debt was. So yes, we do owe money but our assets far outstrip the figure. It's just the press inventing stories.
Indeed. But what worries me is that one of the new directors, Hans Hofstetter, was saying how 'difficult' it was - when it clearly isn't. Our debt is nothing compared to our competitors and we have produced millions of home grown talent. I do fear that if we don't invest and show ambition it is less likely that Poch and the talented players will stay. But that's one for the summer.

Come on Saints lets do Man City!
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: A fuss was made earlier this week because we owe £27m or so. I've just googled Premier League debt, the latest figures available are the season before last. A couple without debt and Chelsea with £878m are the extremes. However the average debt dwarfs ours.[/p][/quote]I' imagine this debt was caused by the signings of Osvaldo(tw@t) Dejan and Victor. There is a good chance we will get our money back on Osvaldo (thick tw@t) and that we would make a profit on Victor and a large profit on Dejan. So it's bit like having a mortgage during times when prices are rising. Once you have paid off the debt you are left with an asset worh more than the debt was. So yes, we do owe money but our assets far outstrip the figure. It's just the press inventing stories.[/p][/quote]Indeed. But what worries me is that one of the new directors, Hans Hofstetter, was saying how 'difficult' it was - when it clearly isn't. Our debt is nothing compared to our competitors and we have produced millions of home grown talent. I do fear that if we don't invest and show ambition it is less likely that Poch and the talented players will stay. But that's one for the summer. Come on Saints lets do Man City! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

10:07am Fri 4 Apr 14

only1chopper says...

I think our greatest chance of getting anything out of the match tomorrow is to close down Toure. He is by far their greatest player/threat. That job I think should go to spider, he is almost matching him for physical stature, cork is a wee bit too small! That can leave the rest to take over the midfield, corky can keep an eye on our defence and the the rest create some magic up front. Simple as that. If only.
I think our greatest chance of getting anything out of the match tomorrow is to close down Toure. He is by far their greatest player/threat. That job I think should go to spider, he is almost matching him for physical stature, cork is a wee bit too small! That can leave the rest to take over the midfield, corky can keep an eye on our defence and the the rest create some magic up front. Simple as that. If only. only1chopper
  • Score: 2

10:13am Fri 4 Apr 14

Costa Baz says...

Just wondering if Luke will be reined back, a bit, if Citeh put Jesus Navas on the wing. That guy is seriously quick.
Hopefully not, as him and Chambers/Clyne are an integral part of our attack.
Our pressing game will have to be top drawer, especially if we lose the ball in their half, and risk getting caught short at the back, by quick through balls, or balls over the top.
Looking forward, depending on the result, to seeing this near the beginning of MOTD.
Just wondering if Luke will be reined back, a bit, if Citeh put Jesus Navas on the wing. That guy is seriously quick. Hopefully not, as him and Chambers/Clyne are an integral part of our attack. Our pressing game will have to be top drawer, especially if we lose the ball in their half, and risk getting caught short at the back, by quick through balls, or balls over the top. Looking forward, depending on the result, to seeing this near the beginning of MOTD. Costa Baz
  • Score: 7

10:18am Fri 4 Apr 14

aldermoorboy says...

Man City 0-1 Saints ( Lambert)
Man City 0-1 Saints ( Lambert) aldermoorboy
  • Score: 5

10:18am Fri 4 Apr 14

eastsidemush says...

Message to all the regulars on here.
As many of you will be aware there is a particular Troll that has been frequenting this site on a regular basis recently. (Pretends to be a Saints fan).
I'm pleased to say that by and large most of us are quite rightly ignoring him.
May I suggest that we go one step further and don't even bother to 'thumb him down', as this alone is probably enough to give him the perverse buzz he's looking for.
Remember, DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. Eventually they starve to death.
Message to all the regulars on here. As many of you will be aware there is a particular Troll that has been frequenting this site on a regular basis recently. (Pretends to be a Saints fan). I'm pleased to say that by and large most of us are quite rightly ignoring him. May I suggest that we go one step further and don't even bother to 'thumb him down', as this alone is probably enough to give him the perverse buzz he's looking for. Remember, DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. Eventually they starve to death. eastsidemush
  • Score: 11

10:37am Fri 4 Apr 14

legod7 says...

only1chopper wrote:
I think our greatest chance of getting anything out of the match tomorrow is to close down Toure. He is by far their greatest player/threat. That job I think should go to spider, he is almost matching him for physical stature, cork is a wee bit too small! That can leave the rest to take over the midfield, corky can keep an eye on our defence and the the rest create some magic up front. Simple as that. If only.
Cork kept Toure quiet here at St Mary's earlier in the season
[quote][p][bold]only1chopper[/bold] wrote: I think our greatest chance of getting anything out of the match tomorrow is to close down Toure. He is by far their greatest player/threat. That job I think should go to spider, he is almost matching him for physical stature, cork is a wee bit too small! That can leave the rest to take over the midfield, corky can keep an eye on our defence and the the rest create some magic up front. Simple as that. If only.[/p][/quote]Cork kept Toure quiet here at St Mary's earlier in the season legod7
  • Score: 7

10:50am Fri 4 Apr 14

Confucious says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Blackknight wrote:
According to talkSPORT, Manure are plotting a double swoop worth £50 million for England duo Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw. That's up from the original £30 million the press were speculating about a few weeks ago. If they both go to Brazil and do well they will be worth even more. And not surprisingly the Press have also been speculating on bids for many of the Saints squad this season.

If we are going to beat the likes of Man City now and in the future an interesting dichotomy exists. This is between a model of mid table mediocrity and financial security, where we have to sell our best players and one of how much investment Katharina Liebherr is prepared to put into the club in order to achieve the riches of the Champions League, and being able to keep our best players; so we can challenge at the top.
All this speculation is not going to end now. At least they are startingto get a bit closer to the correct figure.
Spot on Clever Dick. I heard Chelsea are looking at £54,398,499.99. Of course they are worth £54,398,500.77. Chelsea are obviously playing the old rounded down to 99p ruse so they can claim the offer is below the headline grabbing £54,398,500 figure.

If the government would only bring out a 99p coin it would make life a lot easier for all of us.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackknight[/bold] wrote: According to talkSPORT, Manure are plotting a double swoop worth £50 million for England duo Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw. That's up from the original £30 million the press were speculating about a few weeks ago. If they both go to Brazil and do well they will be worth even more. And not surprisingly the Press have also been speculating on bids for many of the Saints squad this season. If we are going to beat the likes of Man City now and in the future an interesting dichotomy exists. This is between a model of mid table mediocrity and financial security, where we have to sell our best players and one of how much investment Katharina Liebherr is prepared to put into the club in order to achieve the riches of the Champions League, and being able to keep our best players; so we can challenge at the top.[/p][/quote]All this speculation is not going to end now. At least they are startingto get a bit closer to the correct figure.[/p][/quote]Spot on Clever Dick. I heard Chelsea are looking at £54,398,499.99. Of course they are worth £54,398,500.77. Chelsea are obviously playing the old rounded down to 99p ruse so they can claim the offer is below the headline grabbing £54,398,500 figure. If the government would only bring out a 99p coin it would make life a lot easier for all of us. Confucious
  • Score: 4

11:02am Fri 4 Apr 14

Egomaniac says...

Some interesting comments on the problem of debt. The size of the debt is irrelevant, the key point is can you service that debt? In the case of the big clubs such as Chelsea, Man U and Man City, their financial structures enable them to comfortably service their huge debts - so no problem.

The difficulty is with Clubs such as ours - if debt gets out of control you reach the point where that debt cannot be serviced, and the result is administration - remember we have been there! As indeed have Pompey - several times!!

So for those advocating spend, spend, spend, be careful what you are wishing for.
Some interesting comments on the problem of debt. The size of the debt is irrelevant, the key point is can you service that debt? In the case of the big clubs such as Chelsea, Man U and Man City, their financial structures enable them to comfortably service their huge debts - so no problem. The difficulty is with Clubs such as ours - if debt gets out of control you reach the point where that debt cannot be serviced, and the result is administration - remember we have been there! As indeed have Pompey - several times!! So for those advocating spend, spend, spend, be careful what you are wishing for. Egomaniac
  • Score: 4

11:25am Fri 4 Apr 14

Alicesdad says...

We are perfect, so it's not a problem.
We are perfect, so it's not a problem. Alicesdad
  • Score: 1

11:30am Fri 4 Apr 14

donni1437 says...

Speculate to accumulate
Speculate to accumulate donni1437
  • Score: 1

11:57am Fri 4 Apr 14

jrod11 says...

It looks like a lot of supporters have decided to watch the game on tv instead of going which is a shame.
It looks like a lot of supporters have decided to watch the game on tv instead of going which is a shame. jrod11
  • Score: 0

2:01pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Greenguage says...

The game is on BT Sport got to be a plus rather than the Sky jinx,think this game could be a winner for us.Maybe 1-1 with 3 minutes to go then bang Rickie Lambert 1-2 ,why not.
The game is on BT Sport got to be a plus rather than the Sky jinx,think this game could be a winner for us.Maybe 1-1 with 3 minutes to go then bang Rickie Lambert 1-2 ,why not. Greenguage
  • Score: 3

2:26pm Fri 4 Apr 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Greenguage wrote:
The game is on BT Sport got to be a plus rather than the Sky jinx,think this game could be a winner for us.Maybe 1-1 with 3 minutes to go then bang Rickie Lambert 1-2 ,why not.
we didn't do too well last time we were on BT. blunderland in the FA cup I think!
[quote][p][bold]Greenguage[/bold] wrote: The game is on BT Sport got to be a plus rather than the Sky jinx,think this game could be a winner for us.Maybe 1-1 with 3 minutes to go then bang Rickie Lambert 1-2 ,why not.[/p][/quote]we didn't do too well last time we were on BT. blunderland in the FA cup I think! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 1

2:52pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Egomaniac wrote:
Some interesting comments on the problem of debt. The size of the debt is irrelevant, the key point is can you service that debt? In the case of the big clubs such as Chelsea, Man U and Man City, their financial structures enable them to comfortably service their huge debts - so no problem.

The difficulty is with Clubs such as ours - if debt gets out of control you reach the point where that debt cannot be serviced, and the result is administration - remember we have been there! As indeed have Pompey - several times!!

So for those advocating spend, spend, spend, be careful what you are wishing for.
That's a very valid point. We actually went into Admin for a very low sum of money, which was serviceable but Barclays had called the debt in, they wanted repayment in full - about £5m. That coupled with the mortgage on SMS was our total debt.

People say football is a business and yes it is, but it's unlike any other form of business. If you are really serious about making as much money as possible from your investments then do not go anywhere near football. Most club owners have made their millions or these days billions elsewhere and get involved in football for a myriad of other reasons be it being a fan, ego, money laundering etc.

How do you build the revenues of SFC in any meaningful way? Personally I believe the only way is for on field success, that creates a larger fan base around the world with the resultant TV revenues and sales associated with that. Therefore you need to invest first. History is littered with examples of those that failed as well as succeeded. So it's a risky business but you can improve your odds by employing the right people in the right positions - just like the team on the pitch.
[quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: Some interesting comments on the problem of debt. The size of the debt is irrelevant, the key point is can you service that debt? In the case of the big clubs such as Chelsea, Man U and Man City, their financial structures enable them to comfortably service their huge debts - so no problem. The difficulty is with Clubs such as ours - if debt gets out of control you reach the point where that debt cannot be serviced, and the result is administration - remember we have been there! As indeed have Pompey - several times!! So for those advocating spend, spend, spend, be careful what you are wishing for.[/p][/quote]That's a very valid point. We actually went into Admin for a very low sum of money, which was serviceable but Barclays had called the debt in, they wanted repayment in full - about £5m. That coupled with the mortgage on SMS was our total debt. People say football is a business and yes it is, but it's unlike any other form of business. If you are really serious about making as much money as possible from your investments then do not go anywhere near football. Most club owners have made their millions or these days billions elsewhere and get involved in football for a myriad of other reasons be it being a fan, ego, money laundering etc. How do you build the revenues of SFC in any meaningful way? Personally I believe the only way is for on field success, that creates a larger fan base around the world with the resultant TV revenues and sales associated with that. Therefore you need to invest first. History is littered with examples of those that failed as well as succeeded. So it's a risky business but you can improve your odds by employing the right people in the right positions - just like the team on the pitch. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

3:19pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Egomaniac says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
Some interesting comments on the problem of debt. The size of the debt is irrelevant, the key point is can you service that debt? In the case of the big clubs such as Chelsea, Man U and Man City, their financial structures enable them to comfortably service their huge debts - so no problem.

The difficulty is with Clubs such as ours - if debt gets out of control you reach the point where that debt cannot be serviced, and the result is administration - remember we have been there! As indeed have Pompey - several times!!

So for those advocating spend, spend, spend, be careful what you are wishing for.
That's a very valid point. We actually went into Admin for a very low sum of money, which was serviceable but Barclays had called the debt in, they wanted repayment in full - about £5m. That coupled with the mortgage on SMS was our total debt.

People say football is a business and yes it is, but it's unlike any other form of business. If you are really serious about making as much money as possible from your investments then do not go anywhere near football. Most club owners have made their millions or these days billions elsewhere and get involved in football for a myriad of other reasons be it being a fan, ego, money laundering etc.

How do you build the revenues of SFC in any meaningful way? Personally I believe the only way is for on field success, that creates a larger fan base around the world with the resultant TV revenues and sales associated with that. Therefore you need to invest first. History is littered with examples of those that failed as well as succeeded. So it's a risky business but you can improve your odds by employing the right people in the right positions - just like the team on the pitch.
Could not agree more Seedhouse!

I would love to be in the position where Saints could spend at will, and move upwards toward Champions League status. However, rather than risk bankruptcy trying, I shall be very happy to see us at or around our current position for a season or two longer.

If we can keep MP and our current crop of players, with perhaps a shrewd couple of buys without busting the bank, then we can achieve stability - the base from which eventual success will come. That's how Fergie did it with Man U all those years ago - why not us? We need to be patient.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: Some interesting comments on the problem of debt. The size of the debt is irrelevant, the key point is can you service that debt? In the case of the big clubs such as Chelsea, Man U and Man City, their financial structures enable them to comfortably service their huge debts - so no problem. The difficulty is with Clubs such as ours - if debt gets out of control you reach the point where that debt cannot be serviced, and the result is administration - remember we have been there! As indeed have Pompey - several times!! So for those advocating spend, spend, spend, be careful what you are wishing for.[/p][/quote]That's a very valid point. We actually went into Admin for a very low sum of money, which was serviceable but Barclays had called the debt in, they wanted repayment in full - about £5m. That coupled with the mortgage on SMS was our total debt. People say football is a business and yes it is, but it's unlike any other form of business. If you are really serious about making as much money as possible from your investments then do not go anywhere near football. Most club owners have made their millions or these days billions elsewhere and get involved in football for a myriad of other reasons be it being a fan, ego, money laundering etc. How do you build the revenues of SFC in any meaningful way? Personally I believe the only way is for on field success, that creates a larger fan base around the world with the resultant TV revenues and sales associated with that. Therefore you need to invest first. History is littered with examples of those that failed as well as succeeded. So it's a risky business but you can improve your odds by employing the right people in the right positions - just like the team on the pitch.[/p][/quote]Could not agree more Seedhouse! I would love to be in the position where Saints could spend at will, and move upwards toward Champions League status. However, rather than risk bankruptcy trying, I shall be very happy to see us at or around our current position for a season or two longer. If we can keep MP and our current crop of players, with perhaps a shrewd couple of buys without busting the bank, then we can achieve stability - the base from which eventual success will come. That's how Fergie did it with Man U all those years ago - why not us? We need to be patient. Egomaniac
  • Score: 5

3:34pm Fri 4 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

There are many reasons why we won't have the big support that we usually get, it is on TV, which meant a stupid o'clock kick off, which meant those travelling have to leave very early in the morning to get there. The costs are prohibitive too and it isn't a particularly important fixture for us now. Hopefully with nothing to lose the team will play uninhibited football and get a decent result, City are under much more pressure to win this one, Chris Hoy may have a good game for once, we shall see.
There are many reasons why we won't have the big support that we usually get, it is on TV, which meant a stupid o'clock kick off, which meant those travelling have to leave very early in the morning to get there. The costs are prohibitive too and it isn't a particularly important fixture for us now. Hopefully with nothing to lose the team will play uninhibited football and get a decent result, City are under much more pressure to win this one, Chris Hoy may have a good game for once, we shall see. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

3:34pm Fri 4 Apr 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
Some interesting comments on the problem of debt. The size of the debt is irrelevant, the key point is can you service that debt? In the case of the big clubs such as Chelsea, Man U and Man City, their financial structures enable them to comfortably service their huge debts - so no problem.

The difficulty is with Clubs such as ours - if debt gets out of control you reach the point where that debt cannot be serviced, and the result is administration - remember we have been there! As indeed have Pompey - several times!!

So for those advocating spend, spend, spend, be careful what you are wishing for.
That's a very valid point. We actually went into Admin for a very low sum of money, which was serviceable but Barclays had called the debt in, they wanted repayment in full - about £5m. That coupled with the mortgage on SMS was our total debt.

People say football is a business and yes it is, but it's unlike any other form of business. If you are really serious about making as much money as possible from your investments then do not go anywhere near football. Most club owners have made their millions or these days billions elsewhere and get involved in football for a myriad of other reasons be it being a fan, ego, money laundering etc.

How do you build the revenues of SFC in any meaningful way? Personally I believe the only way is for on field success, that creates a larger fan base around the world with the resultant TV revenues and sales associated with that. Therefore you need to invest first. History is littered with examples of those that failed as well as succeeded. So it's a risky business but you can improve your odds by employing the right people in the right positions - just like the team on the pitch.
wasn't it the overdraft facility that the bank cancelled?
I remember reading that the bank manager who as dealing with the club was happy to leave the overdraft as it was, but his bosses wanted it reduced by just £1mill, from £5mill to £4mill. the club didn't have the money to repay so went into administration. the dark lord repeatedly attacked Barclays for cutting the overdraft, but they were warning the club for 2 years that they wouldn't just sit back and see all of the assets sold (players) just to keep the club afloat. Barclays also weren't happy with all the boardroom infighting and wanted to protect their investment, who could have blamed them!
as has been said, it shows hoe delicate football finances can be.
we have a very wealthy owner who could pay off our current debts without any trouble, however I wouldn't want her to do that as I want us to be able to compete in the top flight, maybe with the big boys, without spending fortunes and building up big debts.
we have a great academy which is producing the players that other clubs would have to spend millions to buy. would we be able to afford luke or spider or lalla if we wanted to buy them now? clyne didn't cost a lot and J-rod was relatively cheap but they are both now worth a lot more than we paid for them, as is dejan. we also have a few more youngsters coming through who would be expensive purchases.
we have been able to produce these players because we have invested heavily in the academy and getting the right people in place. we also give the players a chance to prove themselves. not every player from the academy will become a star for us and some will be sold, those sold should make enough profit to keep the academy funded and fund future purchases. the future is looking very good, as long as we don't try to reach to far ahead of ourselves too quickly. build a solid base and the rest should follow.
COYR`s
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: Some interesting comments on the problem of debt. The size of the debt is irrelevant, the key point is can you service that debt? In the case of the big clubs such as Chelsea, Man U and Man City, their financial structures enable them to comfortably service their huge debts - so no problem. The difficulty is with Clubs such as ours - if debt gets out of control you reach the point where that debt cannot be serviced, and the result is administration - remember we have been there! As indeed have Pompey - several times!! So for those advocating spend, spend, spend, be careful what you are wishing for.[/p][/quote]That's a very valid point. We actually went into Admin for a very low sum of money, which was serviceable but Barclays had called the debt in, they wanted repayment in full - about £5m. That coupled with the mortgage on SMS was our total debt. People say football is a business and yes it is, but it's unlike any other form of business. If you are really serious about making as much money as possible from your investments then do not go anywhere near football. Most club owners have made their millions or these days billions elsewhere and get involved in football for a myriad of other reasons be it being a fan, ego, money laundering etc. How do you build the revenues of SFC in any meaningful way? Personally I believe the only way is for on field success, that creates a larger fan base around the world with the resultant TV revenues and sales associated with that. Therefore you need to invest first. History is littered with examples of those that failed as well as succeeded. So it's a risky business but you can improve your odds by employing the right people in the right positions - just like the team on the pitch.[/p][/quote]wasn't it the overdraft facility that the bank cancelled? I remember reading that the bank manager who as dealing with the club was happy to leave the overdraft as it was, but his bosses wanted it reduced by just £1mill, from £5mill to £4mill. the club didn't have the money to repay so went into administration. the dark lord repeatedly attacked Barclays for cutting the overdraft, but they were warning the club for 2 years that they wouldn't just sit back and see all of the assets sold (players) just to keep the club afloat. Barclays also weren't happy with all the boardroom infighting and wanted to protect their investment, who could have blamed them! as has been said, it shows hoe delicate football finances can be. we have a very wealthy owner who could pay off our current debts without any trouble, however I wouldn't want her to do that as I want us to be able to compete in the top flight, maybe with the big boys, without spending fortunes and building up big debts. we have a great academy which is producing the players that other clubs would have to spend millions to buy. would we be able to afford luke or spider or lalla if we wanted to buy them now? clyne didn't cost a lot and J-rod was relatively cheap but they are both now worth a lot more than we paid for them, as is dejan. we also have a few more youngsters coming through who would be expensive purchases. we have been able to produce these players because we have invested heavily in the academy and getting the right people in place. we also give the players a chance to prove themselves. not every player from the academy will become a star for us and some will be sold, those sold should make enough profit to keep the academy funded and fund future purchases. the future is looking very good, as long as we don't try to reach to far ahead of ourselves too quickly. build a solid base and the rest should follow. COYR`s el caballo santos101
  • Score: 4

3:37pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Egomaniac wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
Some interesting comments on the problem of debt. The size of the debt is irrelevant, the key point is can you service that debt? In the case of the big clubs such as Chelsea, Man U and Man City, their financial structures enable them to comfortably service their huge debts - so no problem.

The difficulty is with Clubs such as ours - if debt gets out of control you reach the point where that debt cannot be serviced, and the result is administration - remember we have been there! As indeed have Pompey - several times!!

So for those advocating spend, spend, spend, be careful what you are wishing for.
That's a very valid point. We actually went into Admin for a very low sum of money, which was serviceable but Barclays had called the debt in, they wanted repayment in full - about £5m. That coupled with the mortgage on SMS was our total debt.

People say football is a business and yes it is, but it's unlike any other form of business. If you are really serious about making as much money as possible from your investments then do not go anywhere near football. Most club owners have made their millions or these days billions elsewhere and get involved in football for a myriad of other reasons be it being a fan, ego, money laundering etc.

How do you build the revenues of SFC in any meaningful way? Personally I believe the only way is for on field success, that creates a larger fan base around the world with the resultant TV revenues and sales associated with that. Therefore you need to invest first. History is littered with examples of those that failed as well as succeeded. So it's a risky business but you can improve your odds by employing the right people in the right positions - just like the team on the pitch.
Could not agree more Seedhouse!

I would love to be in the position where Saints could spend at will, and move upwards toward Champions League status. However, rather than risk bankruptcy trying, I shall be very happy to see us at or around our current position for a season or two longer.

If we can keep MP and our current crop of players, with perhaps a shrewd couple of buys without busting the bank, then we can achieve stability - the base from which eventual success will come. That's how Fergie did it with Man U all those years ago - why not us? We need to be patient.
As I said the other day I'm happy to be patient but it isn't about me or you. The question is whether MoPo and the players are. I suspect that Luke, Adam, Nat, Calum, Dejan, Morgan, Jay, Jack et al are prepared to stay provided they see the club pushing forward in its aims and ambitions so they can fulfil their potential here. They were all sold the dream by Cortese which does not have to die with his departure, but some of the current statements concern me.

Do you remember the team with Flowers, Kenna, Le Tissier and Shearer? We had other good players too but failed to press on and three of them won the title the following season with Blackburn. Opportunities come around rarely for a club like ours. That team of the early nineties was one of them as was the magnificent team of the early to mid eighties as indeed is right now.
[quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: Some interesting comments on the problem of debt. The size of the debt is irrelevant, the key point is can you service that debt? In the case of the big clubs such as Chelsea, Man U and Man City, their financial structures enable them to comfortably service their huge debts - so no problem. The difficulty is with Clubs such as ours - if debt gets out of control you reach the point where that debt cannot be serviced, and the result is administration - remember we have been there! As indeed have Pompey - several times!! So for those advocating spend, spend, spend, be careful what you are wishing for.[/p][/quote]That's a very valid point. We actually went into Admin for a very low sum of money, which was serviceable but Barclays had called the debt in, they wanted repayment in full - about £5m. That coupled with the mortgage on SMS was our total debt. People say football is a business and yes it is, but it's unlike any other form of business. If you are really serious about making as much money as possible from your investments then do not go anywhere near football. Most club owners have made their millions or these days billions elsewhere and get involved in football for a myriad of other reasons be it being a fan, ego, money laundering etc. How do you build the revenues of SFC in any meaningful way? Personally I believe the only way is for on field success, that creates a larger fan base around the world with the resultant TV revenues and sales associated with that. Therefore you need to invest first. History is littered with examples of those that failed as well as succeeded. So it's a risky business but you can improve your odds by employing the right people in the right positions - just like the team on the pitch.[/p][/quote]Could not agree more Seedhouse! I would love to be in the position where Saints could spend at will, and move upwards toward Champions League status. However, rather than risk bankruptcy trying, I shall be very happy to see us at or around our current position for a season or two longer. If we can keep MP and our current crop of players, with perhaps a shrewd couple of buys without busting the bank, then we can achieve stability - the base from which eventual success will come. That's how Fergie did it with Man U all those years ago - why not us? We need to be patient.[/p][/quote]As I said the other day I'm happy to be patient but it isn't about me or you. The question is whether MoPo and the players are. I suspect that Luke, Adam, Nat, Calum, Dejan, Morgan, Jay, Jack et al are prepared to stay provided they see the club pushing forward in its aims and ambitions so they can fulfil their potential here. They were all sold the dream by Cortese which does not have to die with his departure, but some of the current statements concern me. Do you remember the team with Flowers, Kenna, Le Tissier and Shearer? We had other good players too but failed to press on and three of them won the title the following season with Blackburn. Opportunities come around rarely for a club like ours. That team of the early nineties was one of them as was the magnificent team of the early to mid eighties as indeed is right now. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

3:47pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
Some interesting comments on the problem of debt. The size of the debt is irrelevant, the key point is can you service that debt? In the case of the big clubs such as Chelsea, Man U and Man City, their financial structures enable them to comfortably service their huge debts - so no problem.

The difficulty is with Clubs such as ours - if debt gets out of control you reach the point where that debt cannot be serviced, and the result is administration - remember we have been there! As indeed have Pompey - several times!!

So for those advocating spend, spend, spend, be careful what you are wishing for.
That's a very valid point. We actually went into Admin for a very low sum of money, which was serviceable but Barclays had called the debt in, they wanted repayment in full - about £5m. That coupled with the mortgage on SMS was our total debt.

People say football is a business and yes it is, but it's unlike any other form of business. If you are really serious about making as much money as possible from your investments then do not go anywhere near football. Most club owners have made their millions or these days billions elsewhere and get involved in football for a myriad of other reasons be it being a fan, ego, money laundering etc.

How do you build the revenues of SFC in any meaningful way? Personally I believe the only way is for on field success, that creates a larger fan base around the world with the resultant TV revenues and sales associated with that. Therefore you need to invest first. History is littered with examples of those that failed as well as succeeded. So it's a risky business but you can improve your odds by employing the right people in the right positions - just like the team on the pitch.
wasn't it the overdraft facility that the bank cancelled?
I remember reading that the bank manager who as dealing with the club was happy to leave the overdraft as it was, but his bosses wanted it reduced by just £1mill, from £5mill to £4mill. the club didn't have the money to repay so went into administration. the dark lord repeatedly attacked Barclays for cutting the overdraft, but they were warning the club for 2 years that they wouldn't just sit back and see all of the assets sold (players) just to keep the club afloat. Barclays also weren't happy with all the boardroom infighting and wanted to protect their investment, who could have blamed them!
as has been said, it shows hoe delicate football finances can be.
we have a very wealthy owner who could pay off our current debts without any trouble, however I wouldn't want her to do that as I want us to be able to compete in the top flight, maybe with the big boys, without spending fortunes and building up big debts.
we have a great academy which is producing the players that other clubs would have to spend millions to buy. would we be able to afford luke or spider or lalla if we wanted to buy them now? clyne didn't cost a lot and J-rod was relatively cheap but they are both now worth a lot more than we paid for them, as is dejan. we also have a few more youngsters coming through who would be expensive purchases.
we have been able to produce these players because we have invested heavily in the academy and getting the right people in place. we also give the players a chance to prove themselves. not every player from the academy will become a star for us and some will be sold, those sold should make enough profit to keep the academy funded and fund future purchases. the future is looking very good, as long as we don't try to reach to far ahead of ourselves too quickly. build a solid base and the rest should follow.
COYR`s
Yes it was. To be fair to Lowe he was ousted with no debt at the bank. Crouch and Wilde ran up £7m in the failed attempt at promotion with Burley after the parachute payments had ended. That was an expensive penalty miss at Derby! Lowe got back in and sold everything that wasn't nailed down but the bank moved the goalposts.

I would like KL to invest so that we push on and retain what we already have. Once revenues are up yes we should become fully self sustaining.

This summer will show us what the club is now about.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: Some interesting comments on the problem of debt. The size of the debt is irrelevant, the key point is can you service that debt? In the case of the big clubs such as Chelsea, Man U and Man City, their financial structures enable them to comfortably service their huge debts - so no problem. The difficulty is with Clubs such as ours - if debt gets out of control you reach the point where that debt cannot be serviced, and the result is administration - remember we have been there! As indeed have Pompey - several times!! So for those advocating spend, spend, spend, be careful what you are wishing for.[/p][/quote]That's a very valid point. We actually went into Admin for a very low sum of money, which was serviceable but Barclays had called the debt in, they wanted repayment in full - about £5m. That coupled with the mortgage on SMS was our total debt. People say football is a business and yes it is, but it's unlike any other form of business. If you are really serious about making as much money as possible from your investments then do not go anywhere near football. Most club owners have made their millions or these days billions elsewhere and get involved in football for a myriad of other reasons be it being a fan, ego, money laundering etc. How do you build the revenues of SFC in any meaningful way? Personally I believe the only way is for on field success, that creates a larger fan base around the world with the resultant TV revenues and sales associated with that. Therefore you need to invest first. History is littered with examples of those that failed as well as succeeded. So it's a risky business but you can improve your odds by employing the right people in the right positions - just like the team on the pitch.[/p][/quote]wasn't it the overdraft facility that the bank cancelled? I remember reading that the bank manager who as dealing with the club was happy to leave the overdraft as it was, but his bosses wanted it reduced by just £1mill, from £5mill to £4mill. the club didn't have the money to repay so went into administration. the dark lord repeatedly attacked Barclays for cutting the overdraft, but they were warning the club for 2 years that they wouldn't just sit back and see all of the assets sold (players) just to keep the club afloat. Barclays also weren't happy with all the boardroom infighting and wanted to protect their investment, who could have blamed them! as has been said, it shows hoe delicate football finances can be. we have a very wealthy owner who could pay off our current debts without any trouble, however I wouldn't want her to do that as I want us to be able to compete in the top flight, maybe with the big boys, without spending fortunes and building up big debts. we have a great academy which is producing the players that other clubs would have to spend millions to buy. would we be able to afford luke or spider or lalla if we wanted to buy them now? clyne didn't cost a lot and J-rod was relatively cheap but they are both now worth a lot more than we paid for them, as is dejan. we also have a few more youngsters coming through who would be expensive purchases. we have been able to produce these players because we have invested heavily in the academy and getting the right people in place. we also give the players a chance to prove themselves. not every player from the academy will become a star for us and some will be sold, those sold should make enough profit to keep the academy funded and fund future purchases. the future is looking very good, as long as we don't try to reach to far ahead of ourselves too quickly. build a solid base and the rest should follow. COYR`s[/p][/quote]Yes it was. To be fair to Lowe he was ousted with no debt at the bank. Crouch and Wilde ran up £7m in the failed attempt at promotion with Burley after the parachute payments had ended. That was an expensive penalty miss at Derby! Lowe got back in and sold everything that wasn't nailed down but the bank moved the goalposts. I would like KL to invest so that we push on and retain what we already have. Once revenues are up yes we should become fully self sustaining. This summer will show us what the club is now about. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 5

9:23pm Fri 4 Apr 14

el caballo santos101 says...

it was an expensive penalty miss but think what might have happened if we had got promoted that year.
for all his faults, and there are too many to mention, lowe did at least sort out the stadium, it possibly could have been bigger but for how many years were there rumours about a new stadium here there and everywhere. he didn't get everything right about the stadium but at least we got it, we couldn't have survived at the dell, god bless the little old place.
it was an expensive penalty miss but think what might have happened if we had got promoted that year. for all his faults, and there are too many to mention, lowe did at least sort out the stadium, it possibly could have been bigger but for how many years were there rumours about a new stadium here there and everywhere. he didn't get everything right about the stadium but at least we got it, we couldn't have survived at the dell, god bless the little old place. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 3

10:51pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Checking in from Oldham.

It's been a long day, which kicked off with work at 7.30am. So, with the time difference, that meant getting up at 5.30am UK time. Kn4ckered!

Will we win? I believe! Wouldn't be here if I didn't.

Bill, Seed, Warrens, Willygetaway, Retford, we hope to see you sometime tomorrow.

WHich post-match pub?
Checking in from Oldham. It's been a long day, which kicked off with work at 7.30am. So, with the time difference, that meant getting up at 5.30am UK time. Kn4ckered! Will we win? I believe! Wouldn't be here if I didn't. Bill, Seed, Warrens, Willygetaway, Retford, we hope to see you sometime tomorrow. WHich post-match pub? Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

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