Poch puzzled over Hammers defeat

Mauricio Pochettino

Mauricio Pochettino

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Mauricio Pochettino was left scratching his head wondering just how his Saints side failed to get anything from their game at West Ham.

Despite 69 per cent possession and 25 shots, Saints came away on the wrong end of a 3-1 defeat at Upton Park.

Pochettino was frustrated with refereeing decisions in Mark Clattenburg’s first Saints fixture since the furore that erupted following the Everton game, but refused to make a big fuss over it.

The Saints boss, who normally says he doesn’t like statistics, joked: “I do like statistics to justify the defeat.

“I am very disappointed with the defeat. I felt we fully deserved to get something more from the game.

“We had full control of the game and that led us to get the 1-0.

“It’s clear that the 1-1 came from an offside position and that was unlucky for us and the team struggled to recover from the 2-1 which made everything difficult for us.

“I thought in the second half we created many good chances and we were unlucky not to get the 2-2 that would have changed the game.

“I thought overall we were quite unlucky with the refereeing decisions and that we didn’t score more goals.”

He added: “The refereeing decisions actually influenced the game and we were unlucky in that sense.

“We are not going to make anything more of it.

“It seems that the stars are not with us whenever Mr Clattenburg referees for us.”

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5:53pm Sat 22 Feb 14

warrens 76 says...

Yes Clattenburg managed to book Adam yet Noble was fouling time and again, warned and still did it again, yes the goal was marginally offside, yet so what we should have put 5 past them and did not…

… if we have virtually 70% possession AGAIN and the majority of chances AGAIN whose fault is that…ours.

Painting the fallen madonna with the big boobies is of no use if you forget to paint the bit of her that matters.
Yes Clattenburg managed to book Adam yet Noble was fouling time and again, warned and still did it again, yes the goal was marginally offside, yet so what we should have put 5 past them and did not… … if we have virtually 70% possession AGAIN and the majority of chances AGAIN whose fault is that…ours. Painting the fallen madonna with the big boobies is of no use if you forget to paint the bit of her that matters. warrens 76
  • Score: 26

5:55pm Sat 22 Feb 14

express_a_view says...

In three recent games the marginal/tight decision with this referee have gone consistently against Saints. I think when a pattern like this emerges, for whatever reason, and it need not be bias, it is in the best interests of referee and the team on the wrong end to keep the two apart for a spell and let the dust settle. If it were happening with a bigger club that is what would occur. However, as it is Southampton I am sure Mr Clattenburg will be appointed to more Saints games thus exacerbating the tensions between club and official still further.
In three recent games the marginal/tight decision with this referee have gone consistently against Saints. I think when a pattern like this emerges, for whatever reason, and it need not be bias, it is in the best interests of referee and the team on the wrong end to keep the two apart for a spell and let the dust settle. If it were happening with a bigger club that is what would occur. However, as it is Southampton I am sure Mr Clattenburg will be appointed to more Saints games thus exacerbating the tensions between club and official still further. express_a_view
  • Score: 14

5:55pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football. Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
  • Score: -67

5:57pm Sat 22 Feb 14

BracknellSaint says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Yes Clattenburg managed to book Adam yet Noble was fouling time and again, warned and still did it again, yes the goal was marginally offside, yet so what we should have put 5 past them and did not…

… if we have virtually 70% possession AGAIN and the majority of chances AGAIN whose fault is that…ours.

Painting the fallen madonna with the big boobies is of no use if you forget to paint the bit of her that matters.
Totally agree. With all that possession, and all those shots, the fact we only scored one, and had so few actually on target, only got our selves to blame. Should have scored 4 or not, then useless ref and lino would be irrelevant.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Yes Clattenburg managed to book Adam yet Noble was fouling time and again, warned and still did it again, yes the goal was marginally offside, yet so what we should have put 5 past them and did not… … if we have virtually 70% possession AGAIN and the majority of chances AGAIN whose fault is that…ours. Painting the fallen madonna with the big boobies is of no use if you forget to paint the bit of her that matters.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. With all that possession, and all those shots, the fact we only scored one, and had so few actually on target, only got our selves to blame. Should have scored 4 or not, then useless ref and lino would be irrelevant. BracknellSaint
  • Score: 18

5:57pm Sat 22 Feb 14

BracknellSaint says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Yes Clattenburg managed to book Adam yet Noble was fouling time and again, warned and still did it again, yes the goal was marginally offside, yet so what we should have put 5 past them and did not…

… if we have virtually 70% possession AGAIN and the majority of chances AGAIN whose fault is that…ours.

Painting the fallen madonna with the big boobies is of no use if you forget to paint the bit of her that matters.
Totally agree. With all that possession, and all those shots, the fact we only scored one, and had so few actually on target, only got our selves to blame. Should have scored 4 or not, then useless ref and lino would be irrelevant.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Yes Clattenburg managed to book Adam yet Noble was fouling time and again, warned and still did it again, yes the goal was marginally offside, yet so what we should have put 5 past them and did not… … if we have virtually 70% possession AGAIN and the majority of chances AGAIN whose fault is that…ours. Painting the fallen madonna with the big boobies is of no use if you forget to paint the bit of her that matters.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. With all that possession, and all those shots, the fact we only scored one, and had so few actually on target, only got our selves to blame. Should have scored 4 or not, then useless ref and lino would be irrelevant. BracknellSaint
  • Score: 7

6:10pm Sat 22 Feb 14

redsnapper says...

Toughen up Saints, please run into the box more, less midfield and defensive cross passing , your possession stats are brilliant but it.s no good when we get robbed by the likes of the cockneys and the black cats.

How about a double over The Scousers. Can you do it? It will be a great if we do and will make up for these last 2 horrible weekends.

You certainly owe us. Especially the fans who went to Sunderland !,,,
Toughen up Saints, please run into the box more, less midfield and defensive cross passing , your possession stats are brilliant but it.s no good when we get robbed by the likes of the cockneys and the black cats. How about a double over The Scousers. Can you do it? It will be a great if we do and will make up for these last 2 horrible weekends. You certainly owe us. Especially the fans who went to Sunderland !,,, redsnapper
  • Score: 17

6:13pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Thecampster says...

Poch is puzzled,

Dear oh dear,

Certainly puzzled me last Sat.
Poch is puzzled, Dear oh dear, Certainly puzzled me last Sat. Thecampster
  • Score: 11

6:13pm Sat 22 Feb 14

arfer phesache says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Can you lot not see that this idiot is just a massive wum.
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Can you lot not see that this idiot is just a massive wum. arfer phesache
  • Score: 21

6:17pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking... Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 6

6:18pm Sat 22 Feb 14

notaclue says...

I haven't seen todays game yet but im not surprised by the result we always struggle against long ball quick break tactics. Our high pressing possession style football with no end result, a striker like Lukaku could change everything for Saints and take us to the next level.
I haven't seen todays game yet but im not surprised by the result we always struggle against long ball quick break tactics. Our high pressing possession style football with no end result, a striker like Lukaku could change everything for Saints and take us to the next level. notaclue
  • Score: 18

6:19pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

arfer phesache wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Can you lot not see that this idiot is just a massive wum.
innit
[quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Can you lot not see that this idiot is just a massive wum.[/p][/quote]innit Baddesley Bill
  • Score: -4

6:20pm Sat 22 Feb 14

bakeyboy says...

Sorry but if Mopo is puzzled over todays result then I have been giving him too much credit, if he can't see that this has been the story of our season where we need 20-30 opportunities to score a goal then the guy must be blind aswell as being incompetent.
Sorry but if Mopo is puzzled over todays result then I have been giving him too much credit, if he can't see that this has been the story of our season where we need 20-30 opportunities to score a goal then the guy must be blind aswell as being incompetent. bakeyboy
  • Score: -14

6:21pm Sat 22 Feb 14

red/whitearmy says...

Simple really poch. We wasted few chances we had yet we pass pass pass etc. Possession do not win games but funny enough goals do. Do the players practice shooting at staplewood.
Simple really poch. We wasted few chances we had yet we pass pass pass etc. Possession do not win games but funny enough goals do. Do the players practice shooting at staplewood. red/whitearmy
  • Score: 12

6:21pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Dasal says...

Thecampster wrote:
Poch is puzzled,

Dear oh dear,

Certainly puzzled me last Sat.
FORGET LAST SATURDAY !
Move on FFS.............
[quote][p][bold]Thecampster[/bold] wrote: Poch is puzzled, Dear oh dear, Certainly puzzled me last Sat.[/p][/quote]FORGET LAST SATURDAY ! Move on FFS............. Dasal
  • Score: 4

6:25pm Sat 22 Feb 14

SnapperSaint says...

notaclue wrote:
I haven't seen todays game yet but im not surprised by the result we always struggle against long ball quick break tactics. Our high pressing possession style football with no end result, a striker like Lukaku could change everything for Saints and take us to the next level.
I agree that we are not potent enough from all the possession we have and may be a more robust striker like Lukaku would fix that shortcoming in our play.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: I haven't seen todays game yet but im not surprised by the result we always struggle against long ball quick break tactics. Our high pressing possession style football with no end result, a striker like Lukaku could change everything for Saints and take us to the next level.[/p][/quote]I agree that we are not potent enough from all the possession we have and may be a more robust striker like Lukaku would fix that shortcoming in our play. SnapperSaint
  • Score: 4

6:30pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Thecampster says...

Dasal wrote:
Thecampster wrote:
Poch is puzzled,

Dear oh dear,

Certainly puzzled me last Sat.
FORGET LAST SATURDAY !
Move on FFS.............
Why forget,

He fcucked up,

Long journey to Sunderland and back,
[quote][p][bold]Dasal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thecampster[/bold] wrote: Poch is puzzled, Dear oh dear, Certainly puzzled me last Sat.[/p][/quote]FORGET LAST SATURDAY ! Move on FFS.............[/p][/quote]Why forget, He fcucked up, Long journey to Sunderland and back, Thecampster
  • Score: -4

6:32pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...
Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...[/p][/quote]Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal). Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
  • Score: -29

6:35pm Sat 22 Feb 14

redandy10 says...

WHY IS POCH PUZZLED. WE WERE UNDONE BY OUR FINISHING!!!
WHY IS POCH PUZZLED. WE WERE UNDONE BY OUR FINISHING!!! redandy10
  • Score: 13

6:38pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...
Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).
I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks...
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...[/p][/quote]Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).[/p][/quote]I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks... Baddesley Bill
  • Score: -2

6:41pm Sat 22 Feb 14

redandy10 says...

arfer phesache wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Can you lot not see that this idiot is just a massive wum.
Yes he is, isn't he. It seems a bit obvious doesn't it, almost a little too obvious! It might help if you actually post some football related stuff to cover your tracks.
[quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Can you lot not see that this idiot is just a massive wum.[/p][/quote]Yes he is, isn't he. It seems a bit obvious doesn't it, almost a little too obvious! It might help if you actually post some football related stuff to cover your tracks. redandy10
  • Score: 3

6:42pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Thecampster says...

Tbh,

We are where we would have been expected to be, I think,

Beats a relegation battle any day.
Tbh, We are where we would have been expected to be, I think, Beats a relegation battle any day. Thecampster
  • Score: 16

6:45pm Sat 22 Feb 14

saintlysoul says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Very informative and nice to read an intelligent post from someone who clearly knows what he's talking about. MP's lack of knowledge of the English game is demonstrated by how he consistently fails to make substitutions early enough! What's the point of bringing JWP and Gallagher on in the 80th minute? Look at Mourihnio today he brought his three subs on with time to go and what happened? Chelsea won! Oh for a British manager!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Very informative and nice to read an intelligent post from someone who clearly knows what he's talking about. MP's lack of knowledge of the English game is demonstrated by how he consistently fails to make substitutions early enough! What's the point of bringing JWP and Gallagher on in the 80th minute? Look at Mourihnio today he brought his three subs on with time to go and what happened? Chelsea won! Oh for a British manager!!!!! saintlysoul
  • Score: -25

6:47pm Sat 22 Feb 14

saintlysoul says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...
Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).
Bang on!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...[/p][/quote]Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).[/p][/quote]Bang on!!!!! saintlysoul
  • Score: -12

6:49pm Sat 22 Feb 14

saintlysoul says...

arfer phesache wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Can you lot not see that this idiot is just a massive wum.
Idiot!
[quote][p][bold]arfer phesache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Can you lot not see that this idiot is just a massive wum.[/p][/quote]Idiot! saintlysoul
  • Score: -8

6:49pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Thecampster says...

“I thought overall we were quite unlucky with the refereeing decisions and that we didn’t score more goals.”


Sign a decent goalscorer then.

You had money to spend, and what did we get, Wanyama.
“I thought overall we were quite unlucky with the refereeing decisions and that we didn’t score more goals.” Sign a decent goalscorer then. You had money to spend, and what did we get, Wanyama. Thecampster
  • Score: -8

6:52pm Sat 22 Feb 14

arfer phesache says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Very informative and nice to read an intelligent post from someone who clearly knows what he's talking about. MP's lack of knowledge of the English game is demonstrated by how he consistently fails to make substitutions early enough! What's the point of bringing JWP and Gallagher on in the 80th minute? Look at Mourihnio today he brought his three subs on with time to go and what happened? Chelsea won! Oh for a British manager!!!!!
Stop talking to your self.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Very informative and nice to read an intelligent post from someone who clearly knows what he's talking about. MP's lack of knowledge of the English game is demonstrated by how he consistently fails to make substitutions early enough! What's the point of bringing JWP and Gallagher on in the 80th minute? Look at Mourihnio today he brought his three subs on with time to go and what happened? Chelsea won! Oh for a British manager!!!!![/p][/quote]Stop talking to your self. arfer phesache
  • Score: 13

7:02pm Sat 22 Feb 14

redandy10 says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...
Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).
Bang on!!!!!
It's obvious that all three of you are all the same person. You have too much time on your hands mush.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...[/p][/quote]Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).[/p][/quote]Bang on!!!!![/p][/quote]It's obvious that all three of you are all the same person. You have too much time on your hands mush. redandy10
  • Score: 3

7:02pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Golden_Salamander says...

How did we lose that ?

69% possession, 75% in the second half. 25 attempts at goal.
Offside goal from Cattenburg for their 1st goal. He also missed a handball in the second.

That is 3 away league defeats (out of 5) from Cattenburg this season to add to his joke decision at Norwich last season.

One minor issue, can we have a week of shooting practice, we should have won today if we had put away half our chances.
The issue of shooting has been there for a few weeks e.g. JRod "side foots" when through on goal, JWP scuffed side foot last week.
Can we have a week of putting our laces through the ball and forget all these side foot "weak" shots. .
How did we lose that ? 69% possession, 75% in the second half. 25 attempts at goal. Offside goal from Cattenburg for their 1st goal. He also missed a handball in the second. That is 3 away league defeats (out of 5) from Cattenburg this season to add to his joke decision at Norwich last season. One minor issue, can we have a week of shooting practice, we should have won today if we had put away half our chances. The issue of shooting has been there for a few weeks e.g. JRod "side foots" when through on goal, JWP scuffed side foot last week. Can we have a week of putting our laces through the ball and forget all these side foot "weak" shots. . Golden_Salamander
  • Score: 20

7:03pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...
Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).
I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks...
I had no expectations of any particular place. What's your point? I want to see good football and an improving side. Southampton aren't going to buy the league title from City/Chelsea/Utd., but you look for improvement and commitment. These kids are paid a lot of money to line up against the likes of Nolan, Noble, John Terry, Shawcross, etc. and if they, like Lallana, Ramirez, are not tough enough to be successful against these players, then I will be critical.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...[/p][/quote]Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).[/p][/quote]I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks...[/p][/quote]I had no expectations of any particular place. What's your point? I want to see good football and an improving side. Southampton aren't going to buy the league title from City/Chelsea/Utd., but you look for improvement and commitment. These kids are paid a lot of money to line up against the likes of Nolan, Noble, John Terry, Shawcross, etc. and if they, like Lallana, Ramirez, are not tough enough to be successful against these players, then I will be critical. Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
  • Score: -14

7:10pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Saintsince89 says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Honestly the majority of the comment is a joke! Why the hell would we get rid of MoPo? And bring in who to replace him? The problem again today is the same problem we've had all season in that fact we have no killer instinct in front of goal, we lack a killer striker (or 2)
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Honestly the majority of the comment is a joke! Why the hell would we get rid of MoPo? And bring in who to replace him? The problem again today is the same problem we've had all season in that fact we have no killer instinct in front of goal, we lack a killer striker (or 2) Saintsince89
  • Score: 17

7:11pm Sat 22 Feb 14

WobblyCat says...

Some staggering comments on here, apparently we only play when the suns out! Last week’s team selection annoyed me off but today it was back to first choices, unfortunately this was just one of those days when things didn’t fall right. Now we lack mental this and mental that and blah blah blah! One league defeat in seven, eight in the league, oh shoot me!
Some staggering comments on here, apparently we only play when the suns out! Last week’s team selection annoyed me off but today it was back to first choices, unfortunately this was just one of those days when things didn’t fall right. Now we lack mental this and mental that and blah blah blah! One league defeat in seven, eight in the league, oh shoot me! WobblyCat
  • Score: 24

7:11pm Sat 22 Feb 14

warrens 76 says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Very informative and nice to read an intelligent post from someone who clearly knows what he's talking about. MP's lack of knowledge of the English game is demonstrated by how he consistently fails to make substitutions early enough! What's the point of bringing JWP and Gallagher on in the 80th minute? Look at Mourihnio today he brought his three subs on with time to go and what happened? Chelsea won! Oh for a British manager!!!!!
Or Portuguese.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Very informative and nice to read an intelligent post from someone who clearly knows what he's talking about. MP's lack of knowledge of the English game is demonstrated by how he consistently fails to make substitutions early enough! What's the point of bringing JWP and Gallagher on in the 80th minute? Look at Mourihnio today he brought his three subs on with time to go and what happened? Chelsea won! Oh for a British manager!!!!![/p][/quote]Or Portuguese. warrens 76
  • Score: 11

7:16pm Sat 22 Feb 14

warrens 76 says...

Golden_Salamander wrote:
How did we lose that ?

69% possession, 75% in the second half. 25 attempts at goal.
Offside goal from Cattenburg for their 1st goal. He also missed a handball in the second.

That is 3 away league defeats (out of 5) from Cattenburg this season to add to his joke decision at Norwich last season.

One minor issue, can we have a week of shooting practice, we should have won today if we had put away half our chances.
The issue of shooting has been there for a few weeks e.g. JRod "side foots" when through on goal, JWP scuffed side foot last week.
Can we have a week of putting our laces through the ball and forget all these side foot "weak" shots. .
A FEW WEEKS !!!!!!!!!
Christ on a bike it has been as obvious as seeing tit5 on a bull that we cannot finish from day 1 of the season.
[quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: How did we lose that ? 69% possession, 75% in the second half. 25 attempts at goal. Offside goal from Cattenburg for their 1st goal. He also missed a handball in the second. That is 3 away league defeats (out of 5) from Cattenburg this season to add to his joke decision at Norwich last season. One minor issue, can we have a week of shooting practice, we should have won today if we had put away half our chances. The issue of shooting has been there for a few weeks e.g. JRod "side foots" when through on goal, JWP scuffed side foot last week. Can we have a week of putting our laces through the ball and forget all these side foot "weak" shots. .[/p][/quote]A FEW WEEKS !!!!!!!!! Christ on a bike it has been as obvious as seeing tit5 on a bull that we cannot finish from day 1 of the season. warrens 76
  • Score: 0

7:19pm Sat 22 Feb 14

lowe esteem says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...
Probably about the same as when Mr Adkins was asked to leave...just saying.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...[/p][/quote]Probably about the same as when Mr Adkins was asked to leave...just saying. lowe esteem
  • Score: 2

7:19pm Sat 22 Feb 14

DisplacedFan says...

Possession is our game. That's how we play. Luck has nothing to do with it. Good teams win. I am a RL fan, but we will need a more effective player over the summer. I worry that we will keep the purse strings tight and try to make it with a very young team. Young players need time to mature and yet we still want results. We will be fine this year. Won't make Europe, but I am not wanting that for us yet. We are still building.
Possession is our game. That's how we play. Luck has nothing to do with it. Good teams win. I am a RL fan, but we will need a more effective player over the summer. I worry that we will keep the purse strings tight and try to make it with a very young team. Young players need time to mature and yet we still want results. We will be fine this year. Won't make Europe, but I am not wanting that for us yet. We are still building. DisplacedFan
  • Score: 11

7:20pm Sat 22 Feb 14

J7junctionseven says...

Palace tickets came today and can't wait for Liverpool next Saturday.
Great to hear the skunts lost 5-1 and most clubs below them won.
Just ordered the Chinese and Ant & Dec's Saturday night take away's back.
Happy Days
COYR FOADP.....oh and we could do with a striker or two in the summer
Palace tickets came today and can't wait for Liverpool next Saturday. Great to hear the skunts lost 5-1 and most clubs below them won. Just ordered the Chinese and Ant & Dec's Saturday night take away's back. Happy Days COYR FOADP.....oh and we could do with a striker or two in the summer J7junctionseven
  • Score: 1

7:20pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...
Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).
I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks...
I had no expectations of any particular place. What's your point? I want to see good football and an improving side. Southampton aren't going to buy the league title from City/Chelsea/Utd., but you look for improvement and commitment. These kids are paid a lot of money to line up against the likes of Nolan, Noble, John Terry, Shawcross, etc. and if they, like Lallana, Ramirez, are not tough enough to be successful against these players, then I will be critical.
My point is quite simple...we are having a great season all told. You talk of wages...these lads are on lower wages than most of the other players you name. We currently sit in a league position above all of them (bar Terry).

Not bad at all if you ask me all said and done.
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...[/p][/quote]Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).[/p][/quote]I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks...[/p][/quote]I had no expectations of any particular place. What's your point? I want to see good football and an improving side. Southampton aren't going to buy the league title from City/Chelsea/Utd., but you look for improvement and commitment. These kids are paid a lot of money to line up against the likes of Nolan, Noble, John Terry, Shawcross, etc. and if they, like Lallana, Ramirez, are not tough enough to be successful against these players, then I will be critical.[/p][/quote]My point is quite simple...we are having a great season all told. You talk of wages...these lads are on lower wages than most of the other players you name. We currently sit in a league position above all of them (bar Terry). Not bad at all if you ask me all said and done. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 14

7:23pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Jan28th1984 says...

Poch puzzled........

Well OK - let's try and help him out. I have to firstly state I was not at the game today so I cannot really comment - but I can look at the figures on the BBC website and perhaps draw a conclusion or two.

Although we had almost 70% possession and had 11 corners to their 5, and although we had 25 goal attempts to their 10, shots on target were dead square at 5 each.
Of those 5 attempts each, we converted 1 and they converted 3.

The figures seem straightforward enough then - we need to be (a) more clinical in the box and (b) tighter at the back.

There you go - that wasn't hard was it?

Solutions to (a) are either to go large and lay out big money for a "killer" as Mourinho calls the types of strikers that can convert these chances, or persist with growing our own. That will have to be a club decision as to which way to go.
The (b) issue is plainer - Lovren is our only gold-star CB. Fonte and Yosh are OK but that's it - they are OK. They are not great, they are not bad, they are OK. We need two more top quality CBs - one to step in next to Lovren and one for cover and again we will have to pay top dollar for them.
Poch puzzled........ Well OK - let's try and help him out. I have to firstly state I was not at the game today so I cannot really comment - but I can look at the figures on the BBC website and perhaps draw a conclusion or two. Although we had almost 70% possession and had 11 corners to their 5, and although we had 25 goal attempts to their 10, shots on target were dead square at 5 each. Of those 5 attempts each, we converted 1 and they converted 3. The figures seem straightforward enough then - we need to be (a) more clinical in the box and (b) tighter at the back. There you go - that wasn't hard was it? Solutions to (a) are either to go large and lay out big money for a "killer" as Mourinho calls the types of strikers that can convert these chances, or persist with growing our own. That will have to be a club decision as to which way to go. The (b) issue is plainer - Lovren is our only gold-star CB. Fonte and Yosh are OK but that's it - they are OK. They are not great, they are not bad, they are OK. We need two more top quality CBs - one to step in next to Lovren and one for cover and again we will have to pay top dollar for them. Jan28th1984
  • Score: 12

7:28pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...
Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).
I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks...
I had no expectations of any particular place. What's your point? I want to see good football and an improving side. Southampton aren't going to buy the league title from City/Chelsea/Utd., but you look for improvement and commitment. These kids are paid a lot of money to line up against the likes of Nolan, Noble, John Terry, Shawcross, etc. and if they, like Lallana, Ramirez, are not tough enough to be successful against these players, then I will be critical.
My point is quite simple...we are having a great season all told. You talk of wages...these lads are on lower wages than most of the other players you name. We currently sit in a league position above all of them (bar Terry).

Not bad at all if you ask me all said and done.
OK. You care solely about the table, and I care about the quality of the football and whether the team is improving. So, we have different concerns, and we disagree, when all is said and done. Enjoy your evening.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...[/p][/quote]Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).[/p][/quote]I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks...[/p][/quote]I had no expectations of any particular place. What's your point? I want to see good football and an improving side. Southampton aren't going to buy the league title from City/Chelsea/Utd., but you look for improvement and commitment. These kids are paid a lot of money to line up against the likes of Nolan, Noble, John Terry, Shawcross, etc. and if they, like Lallana, Ramirez, are not tough enough to be successful against these players, then I will be critical.[/p][/quote]My point is quite simple...we are having a great season all told. You talk of wages...these lads are on lower wages than most of the other players you name. We currently sit in a league position above all of them (bar Terry). Not bad at all if you ask me all said and done.[/p][/quote]OK. You care solely about the table, and I care about the quality of the football and whether the team is improving. So, we have different concerns, and we disagree, when all is said and done. Enjoy your evening. Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
  • Score: -8

7:28pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

Saints need Physical and Mental Toughness. It's always a little suspicious when we get a new poster who talks rubbish. And funnily enough this one has the initial PMT. I guess we know what that stands for. Anyway on to more important and sensible things. I really think the club should consider a complaint about the abysmal referee today who has once again made sure he gave us nothing.
Saints need Physical and Mental Toughness. It's always a little suspicious when we get a new poster who talks rubbish. And funnily enough this one has the initial PMT. I guess we know what that stands for. Anyway on to more important and sensible things. I really think the club should consider a complaint about the abysmal referee today who has once again made sure he gave us nothing. Clever Dick
  • Score: 9

7:29pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Costa Baz says...

For a team that is physically and mentally too weak, to perform in this division, we seem to control more games than not.

As others have said, we lack consistency, in front of goal, and that is despite having three of the best attacking, English players in the country, which doesn't augur well for anyone with hopes of a good World Cup.
This lack of consistency, in front of goal, is nothing new. It hasn't changed since the early part of the season, which blows a massive hole in the argument, stating we are just a "summer" team.

This result was due to many things, but not as some are claiming, errors by MP.
The errors were by the players, missing decent chances and not getting the breaks, when they were needed.
And yes, luck can play a big part in wining games.
For a team that is physically and mentally too weak, to perform in this division, we seem to control more games than not. As others have said, we lack consistency, in front of goal, and that is despite having three of the best attacking, English players in the country, which doesn't augur well for anyone with hopes of a good World Cup. This lack of consistency, in front of goal, is nothing new. It hasn't changed since the early part of the season, which blows a massive hole in the argument, stating we are just a "summer" team. This result was due to many things, but not as some are claiming, errors by MP. The errors were by the players, missing decent chances and not getting the breaks, when they were needed. And yes, luck can play a big part in wining games. Costa Baz
  • Score: 9

7:30pm Sat 22 Feb 14

AdamG10 says...

For all of the possession we have we simply don't score enough goals. We lack a clinical striker and in the Summer it should be top priority to sign one. The stats from today's game sum up what's been happening for most of this season. Dominating possession/shots but not scoring enough. We also seem to want to pass our way through defences and often try one pass too many instead of taking the shot on. However, I want to be positive and say I thought Ramirez was excellent when he came on today. He injected more pace into the game and we looked far more of a threat with him on the pitch. Well done to all the medical staff at st Mary's for getting him and Lovren back in the squad so quickly.
For all of the possession we have we simply don't score enough goals. We lack a clinical striker and in the Summer it should be top priority to sign one. The stats from today's game sum up what's been happening for most of this season. Dominating possession/shots but not scoring enough. We also seem to want to pass our way through defences and often try one pass too many instead of taking the shot on. However, I want to be positive and say I thought Ramirez was excellent when he came on today. He injected more pace into the game and we looked far more of a threat with him on the pitch. Well done to all the medical staff at st Mary's for getting him and Lovren back in the squad so quickly. AdamG10
  • Score: 13

7:37pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...
Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).
I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks...
I had no expectations of any particular place. What's your point? I want to see good football and an improving side. Southampton aren't going to buy the league title from City/Chelsea/Utd., but you look for improvement and commitment. These kids are paid a lot of money to line up against the likes of Nolan, Noble, John Terry, Shawcross, etc. and if they, like Lallana, Ramirez, are not tough enough to be successful against these players, then I will be critical.
My point is quite simple...we are having a great season all told. You talk of wages...these lads are on lower wages than most of the other players you name. We currently sit in a league position above all of them (bar Terry).

Not bad at all if you ask me all said and done.
OK. You care solely about the table, and I care about the quality of the football and whether the team is improving. So, we have different concerns, and we disagree, when all is said and done. Enjoy your evening.
It is you Thread...isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...[/p][/quote]Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).[/p][/quote]I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks...[/p][/quote]I had no expectations of any particular place. What's your point? I want to see good football and an improving side. Southampton aren't going to buy the league title from City/Chelsea/Utd., but you look for improvement and commitment. These kids are paid a lot of money to line up against the likes of Nolan, Noble, John Terry, Shawcross, etc. and if they, like Lallana, Ramirez, are not tough enough to be successful against these players, then I will be critical.[/p][/quote]My point is quite simple...we are having a great season all told. You talk of wages...these lads are on lower wages than most of the other players you name. We currently sit in a league position above all of them (bar Terry). Not bad at all if you ask me all said and done.[/p][/quote]OK. You care solely about the table, and I care about the quality of the football and whether the team is improving. So, we have different concerns, and we disagree, when all is said and done. Enjoy your evening.[/p][/quote]It is you Thread...isn't it? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 6

7:37pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Costa Baz says...

Jan28th1984 wrote:
Poch puzzled........ Well OK - let's try and help him out. I have to firstly state I was not at the game today so I cannot really comment - but I can look at the figures on the BBC website and perhaps draw a conclusion or two. Although we had almost 70% possession and had 11 corners to their 5, and although we had 25 goal attempts to their 10, shots on target were dead square at 5 each. Of those 5 attempts each, we converted 1 and they converted 3. The figures seem straightforward enough then - we need to be (a) more clinical in the box and (b) tighter at the back. There you go - that wasn't hard was it? Solutions to (a) are either to go large and lay out big money for a "killer" as Mourinho calls the types of strikers that can convert these chances, or persist with growing our own. That will have to be a club decision as to which way to go. The (b) issue is plainer - Lovren is our only gold-star CB. Fonte and Yosh are OK but that's it - they are OK. They are not great, they are not bad, they are OK. We need two more top quality CBs - one to step in next to Lovren and one for cover and again we will have to pay top dollar for them.
You're right, you cannot really comment.
[quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: Poch puzzled........ Well OK - let's try and help him out. I have to firstly state I was not at the game today so I cannot really comment - but I can look at the figures on the BBC website and perhaps draw a conclusion or two. Although we had almost 70% possession and had 11 corners to their 5, and although we had 25 goal attempts to their 10, shots on target were dead square at 5 each. Of those 5 attempts each, we converted 1 and they converted 3. The figures seem straightforward enough then - we need to be (a) more clinical in the box and (b) tighter at the back. There you go - that wasn't hard was it? Solutions to (a) are either to go large and lay out big money for a "killer" as Mourinho calls the types of strikers that can convert these chances, or persist with growing our own. That will have to be a club decision as to which way to go. The (b) issue is plainer - Lovren is our only gold-star CB. Fonte and Yosh are OK but that's it - they are OK. They are not great, they are not bad, they are OK. We need two more top quality CBs - one to step in next to Lovren and one for cover and again we will have to pay top dollar for them.[/p][/quote]You're right, you cannot really comment. Costa Baz
  • Score: 0

7:40pm Sat 22 Feb 14

markodarko29 says...

all the feel good factor and momentum has gone for the season thanks to a serious error of judgement made by the manager last week playing 3 players not prem level ,and 1 not yet fit ,if we played the same team as today we would be in the next round of the cup and of been more up and confident for todays game
all the feel good factor and momentum has gone for the season thanks to a serious error of judgement made by the manager last week playing 3 players not prem level ,and 1 not yet fit ,if we played the same team as today we would be in the next round of the cup and of been more up and confident for todays game markodarko29
  • Score: 4

7:44pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...
Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).
I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks...
I had no expectations of any particular place. What's your point? I want to see good football and an improving side. Southampton aren't going to buy the league title from City/Chelsea/Utd., but you look for improvement and commitment. These kids are paid a lot of money to line up against the likes of Nolan, Noble, John Terry, Shawcross, etc. and if they, like Lallana, Ramirez, are not tough enough to be successful against these players, then I will be critical.
My point is quite simple...we are having a great season all told. You talk of wages...these lads are on lower wages than most of the other players you name. We currently sit in a league position above all of them (bar Terry).

Not bad at all if you ask me all said and done.
OK. You care solely about the table, and I care about the quality of the football and whether the team is improving. So, we have different concerns, and we disagree, when all is said and done. Enjoy your evening.
We are discussing the Spam v Saints game and you question the quality of the football...ask any Spam fan what football they would rather watch...and what league position they would rather be in.

..nice one. You've supplied a few laughs on a losing day. Cheers! :O)
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...[/p][/quote]Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).[/p][/quote]I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks...[/p][/quote]I had no expectations of any particular place. What's your point? I want to see good football and an improving side. Southampton aren't going to buy the league title from City/Chelsea/Utd., but you look for improvement and commitment. These kids are paid a lot of money to line up against the likes of Nolan, Noble, John Terry, Shawcross, etc. and if they, like Lallana, Ramirez, are not tough enough to be successful against these players, then I will be critical.[/p][/quote]My point is quite simple...we are having a great season all told. You talk of wages...these lads are on lower wages than most of the other players you name. We currently sit in a league position above all of them (bar Terry). Not bad at all if you ask me all said and done.[/p][/quote]OK. You care solely about the table, and I care about the quality of the football and whether the team is improving. So, we have different concerns, and we disagree, when all is said and done. Enjoy your evening.[/p][/quote]We are discussing the Spam v Saints game and you question the quality of the football...ask any Spam fan what football they would rather watch...and what league position they would rather be in. ..nice one. You've supplied a few laughs on a losing day. Cheers! :O) Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 10

8:03pm Sat 22 Feb 14

husky-1 says...

"""""""Mark Clattenburg"""""" and PUNISH ALWAYS HURT THE SAINTS .. 1 again .. think it's "customary"
"""""""Mark Clattenburg"""""" and PUNISH ALWAYS HURT THE SAINTS .. 1 again .. think it's "customary" husky-1
  • Score: 2

8:08pm Sat 22 Feb 14

saint Compo says...

We lose because we don't score enough goals (from the many chances we create) and let too many in (from the opposition's fewer chances). Simple!

COYR
We lose because we don't score enough goals (from the many chances we create) and let too many in (from the opposition's fewer chances). Simple! COYR saint Compo
  • Score: 6

8:13pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Baba Booey says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
We dominated the game and had 25 shots on goal and you blame Poch?
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]We dominated the game and had 25 shots on goal and you blame Poch? Baba Booey
  • Score: 11

8:24pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

saint Compo wrote:
We lose because we don't score enough goals (from the many chances we create) and let too many in (from the opposition's fewer chances). Simple!

COYR
Yes it's a strange statistical quirk. Every time the opposition score more than us we always seem to lose.
[quote][p][bold]saint Compo[/bold] wrote: We lose because we don't score enough goals (from the many chances we create) and let too many in (from the opposition's fewer chances). Simple! COYR[/p][/quote]Yes it's a strange statistical quirk. Every time the opposition score more than us we always seem to lose. Clever Dick
  • Score: 6

8:24pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

saint Compo wrote:
We lose because we don't score enough goals (from the many chances we create) and let too many in (from the opposition's fewer chances). Simple!

COYR
Yes it's a strange statistical quirk. Every time the opposition score more than us we always seem to lose.
[quote][p][bold]saint Compo[/bold] wrote: We lose because we don't score enough goals (from the many chances we create) and let too many in (from the opposition's fewer chances). Simple! COYR[/p][/quote]Yes it's a strange statistical quirk. Every time the opposition score more than us we always seem to lose. Clever Dick
  • Score: 5

8:24pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Scarborosaint says...

When we stop creating chances we need worry , at beginning of season we would bitten your hand off if you said you will be 8th position ,safe from the relegation battle and playing some of the best football in the premier league. As disappointing as last week was the lack of depth in the squad is apparent and the clubs stance on osvaldo although being admirably has left us with lack of competition up front. With Ramirez and louvren now fit MP options have been increased and we need to kick on to finish the season strong .COYS
When we stop creating chances we need worry , at beginning of season we would bitten your hand off if you said you will be 8th position ,safe from the relegation battle and playing some of the best football in the premier league. As disappointing as last week was the lack of depth in the squad is apparent and the clubs stance on osvaldo although being admirably has left us with lack of competition up front. With Ramirez and louvren now fit MP options have been increased and we need to kick on to finish the season strong .COYS Scarborosaint
  • Score: 8

8:33pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Scarborosaint wrote:
When we stop creating chances we need worry , at beginning of season we would bitten your hand off if you said you will be 8th position ,safe from the relegation battle and playing some of the best football in the premier league. As disappointing as last week was the lack of depth in the squad is apparent and the clubs stance on osvaldo although being admirably has left us with lack of competition up front. With Ramirez and louvren now fit MP options have been increased and we need to kick on to finish the season strong .COYS
Sanity is restored...thank you Scarborosaint.
[quote][p][bold]Scarborosaint[/bold] wrote: When we stop creating chances we need worry , at beginning of season we would bitten your hand off if you said you will be 8th position ,safe from the relegation battle and playing some of the best football in the premier league. As disappointing as last week was the lack of depth in the squad is apparent and the clubs stance on osvaldo although being admirably has left us with lack of competition up front. With Ramirez and louvren now fit MP options have been increased and we need to kick on to finish the season strong .COYS[/p][/quote]Sanity is restored...thank you Scarborosaint. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 13

8:40pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Egomaniac says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Very informative and nice to read an intelligent post from someone who clearly knows what he's talking about. MP's lack of knowledge of the English game is demonstrated by how he consistently fails to make substitutions early enough! What's the point of bringing JWP and Gallagher on in the 80th minute? Look at Mourihnio today he brought his three subs on with time to go and what happened? Chelsea won! Oh for a British manager!!!!!
I think you will find the Chelsea manager is Portuguese. So what exactly is your point?
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Very informative and nice to read an intelligent post from someone who clearly knows what he's talking about. MP's lack of knowledge of the English game is demonstrated by how he consistently fails to make substitutions early enough! What's the point of bringing JWP and Gallagher on in the 80th minute? Look at Mourihnio today he brought his three subs on with time to go and what happened? Chelsea won! Oh for a British manager!!!!![/p][/quote]I think you will find the Chelsea manager is Portuguese. So what exactly is your point? Egomaniac
  • Score: 6

8:43pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Egomaniac says...

Some good points above. I firmly believe we lack predatory strikers, and that has to be our priority for the next transfer window. With 69% possession, and a class strike force, we would have slaughtered West `Ham today.

This defeat is as painful as the Sunderland game!
Some good points above. I firmly believe we lack predatory strikers, and that has to be our priority for the next transfer window. With 69% possession, and a class strike force, we would have slaughtered West `Ham today. This defeat is as painful as the Sunderland game! Egomaniac
  • Score: 11

8:45pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

Scarborosaint wrote:
When we stop creating chances we need worry , at beginning of season we would bitten your hand off if you said you will be 8th position ,safe from the relegation battle and playing some of the best football in the premier league. As disappointing as last week was the lack of depth in the squad is apparent and the clubs stance on osvaldo although being admirably has left us with lack of competition up front. With Ramirez and louvren now fit MP options have been increased and we need to kick on to finish the season strong .COYS
Yeah. Spot on. Our striking problems are caused by that idiot Osvaldo. He was brought in to get us some goals and give us more options up front. The club probably decided not to be panicked in the transfer window but to wait till the season is over when the prices are more sensible. We can't really expect a young lad like Gallagher to be the answer given his extreme lack of experience. This has been a very good season so far and we still have plenty of games where we can expect to pick up the points. We should be aiming to get well into the 50s starting with a nice little double over Liverpool next weekend.
[quote][p][bold]Scarborosaint[/bold] wrote: When we stop creating chances we need worry , at beginning of season we would bitten your hand off if you said you will be 8th position ,safe from the relegation battle and playing some of the best football in the premier league. As disappointing as last week was the lack of depth in the squad is apparent and the clubs stance on osvaldo although being admirably has left us with lack of competition up front. With Ramirez and louvren now fit MP options have been increased and we need to kick on to finish the season strong .COYS[/p][/quote]Yeah. Spot on. Our striking problems are caused by that idiot Osvaldo. He was brought in to get us some goals and give us more options up front. The club probably decided not to be panicked in the transfer window but to wait till the season is over when the prices are more sensible. We can't really expect a young lad like Gallagher to be the answer given his extreme lack of experience. This has been a very good season so far and we still have plenty of games where we can expect to pick up the points. We should be aiming to get well into the 50s starting with a nice little double over Liverpool next weekend. Clever Dick
  • Score: 5

8:45pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

Scarborosaint wrote:
When we stop creating chances we need worry , at beginning of season we would bitten your hand off if you said you will be 8th position ,safe from the relegation battle and playing some of the best football in the premier league. As disappointing as last week was the lack of depth in the squad is apparent and the clubs stance on osvaldo although being admirably has left us with lack of competition up front. With Ramirez and louvren now fit MP options have been increased and we need to kick on to finish the season strong .COYS
Yeah. Spot on. Our striking problems are caused by that idiot Osvaldo. He was brought in to get us some goals and give us more options up front. The club probably decided not to be panicked in the transfer window but to wait till the season is over when the prices are more sensible. We can't really expect a young lad like Gallagher to be the answer given his extreme lack of experience. This has been a very good season so far and we still have plenty of games where we can expect to pick up the points. We should be aiming to get well into the 50s starting with a nice little double over Liverpool next weekend.
[quote][p][bold]Scarborosaint[/bold] wrote: When we stop creating chances we need worry , at beginning of season we would bitten your hand off if you said you will be 8th position ,safe from the relegation battle and playing some of the best football in the premier league. As disappointing as last week was the lack of depth in the squad is apparent and the clubs stance on osvaldo although being admirably has left us with lack of competition up front. With Ramirez and louvren now fit MP options have been increased and we need to kick on to finish the season strong .COYS[/p][/quote]Yeah. Spot on. Our striking problems are caused by that idiot Osvaldo. He was brought in to get us some goals and give us more options up front. The club probably decided not to be panicked in the transfer window but to wait till the season is over when the prices are more sensible. We can't really expect a young lad like Gallagher to be the answer given his extreme lack of experience. This has been a very good season so far and we still have plenty of games where we can expect to pick up the points. We should be aiming to get well into the 50s starting with a nice little double over Liverpool next weekend. Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

9:04pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Confucious says...

Strange how a defeat brings out not only those who not only always expect the worst, but also make the worst of it when it happens. I imagine if any one of them was on a lifeboat, his most optimistic message would be "Give up hope - you'll feel much better!"

I'm so glad there are so few of them.
Strange how a defeat brings out not only those who not only always expect the worst, but also make the worst of it when it happens. I imagine if any one of them was on a lifeboat, his most optimistic message would be "Give up hope - you'll feel much better!" I'm so glad there are so few of them. Confucious
  • Score: 8

9:08pm Sat 22 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...
Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).
we have too many physically weak players? jack cork was the best defensive midfielder with most tackles for jan this year, spider was the best defensive midfielder last season with most tackles won and was near the top in interceptions. Wanyama is a midfield powerhouse and our drop in form has coincided with his injury. s.davis and jwp can also hold their own in a `battle`.
so that's the `physical toughness` argument out the window!

as for `mental toughness,
we are 8th in the prem after a poor run of form. the players have shown the `mental strength` to keep attacking even though we have taken a knock or two. many teams/players would have crumbled and `hidden` given whats gone on, yet each week they come out and have a right old go and dominate the opposition. we are lacking goals that's all, the cub tried to bring in a world class striker in the summer but he thought he was `bigger` than the team and wasn't able to adapt to the prem. the players showed great togetherness after the NC and dani incidents which clearly proves your claim that they are lacking `mental toughness` to be totally false in everyway!
oh and stop talking to yourself your really starting to look sad and seeking attention.
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...[/p][/quote]Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).[/p][/quote]we have too many physically weak players? jack cork was the best defensive midfielder with most tackles for jan this year, spider was the best defensive midfielder last season with most tackles won and was near the top in interceptions. Wanyama is a midfield powerhouse and our drop in form has coincided with his injury. s.davis and jwp can also hold their own in a `battle`. so that's the `physical toughness` argument out the window! as for `mental toughness, we are 8th in the prem after a poor run of form. the players have shown the `mental strength` to keep attacking even though we have taken a knock or two. many teams/players would have crumbled and `hidden` given whats gone on, yet each week they come out and have a right old go and dominate the opposition. we are lacking goals that's all, the cub tried to bring in a world class striker in the summer but he thought he was `bigger` than the team and wasn't able to adapt to the prem. the players showed great togetherness after the NC and dani incidents which clearly proves your claim that they are lacking `mental toughness` to be totally false in everyway! oh and stop talking to yourself your really starting to look sad and seeking attention. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 15

9:12pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

And there is some good new for the skunts today. If they stay up to watch the football league show tonight to watch their team( well excuse for a team), there will be plenty of goals for them to watch.
And there is some good new for the skunts today. If they stay up to watch the football league show tonight to watch their team( well excuse for a team), there will be plenty of goals for them to watch. Clever Dick
  • Score: 10

9:23pm Sat 22 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
And there is some good new for the skunts today. If they stay up to watch the football league show tonight to watch their team( well excuse for a team), there will be plenty of goals for them to watch.
sorry CD that on way too late...sorry early in the morning for me ;0)
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: And there is some good new for the skunts today. If they stay up to watch the football league show tonight to watch their team( well excuse for a team), there will be plenty of goals for them to watch.[/p][/quote]sorry CD that on way too late...sorry early in the morning for me ;0) el caballo santos101
  • Score: 1

9:26pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Redflag14 says...

Confucious wrote:
Strange how a defeat brings out not only those who not only always expect the worst, but also make the worst of it when it happens. I imagine if any one of them was on a lifeboat, his most optimistic message would be "Give up hope - you'll feel much better!"

I'm so glad there are so few of them.
Sound words of wisdom, but having five Academy players on the pitch at the end of the game, if you include Lallana, that must be applauded, but they lack experience, does this stress the lack of depth available within the squad?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Strange how a defeat brings out not only those who not only always expect the worst, but also make the worst of it when it happens. I imagine if any one of them was on a lifeboat, his most optimistic message would be "Give up hope - you'll feel much better!" I'm so glad there are so few of them.[/p][/quote]Sound words of wisdom, but having five Academy players on the pitch at the end of the game, if you include Lallana, that must be applauded, but they lack experience, does this stress the lack of depth available within the squad? Redflag14
  • Score: 1

9:32pm Sat 22 Feb 14

saintlysoul says...

Jan28th1984 wrote:
Poch puzzled........

Well OK - let's try and help him out. I have to firstly state I was not at the game today so I cannot really comment - but I can look at the figures on the BBC website and perhaps draw a conclusion or two.

Although we had almost 70% possession and had 11 corners to their 5, and although we had 25 goal attempts to their 10, shots on target were dead square at 5 each.
Of those 5 attempts each, we converted 1 and they converted 3.

The figures seem straightforward enough then - we need to be (a) more clinical in the box and (b) tighter at the back.

There you go - that wasn't hard was it?

Solutions to (a) are either to go large and lay out big money for a "killer" as Mourinho calls the types of strikers that can convert these chances, or persist with growing our own. That will have to be a club decision as to which way to go.
The (b) issue is plainer - Lovren is our only gold-star CB. Fonte and Yosh are OK but that's it - they are OK. They are not great, they are not bad, they are OK. We need two more top quality CBs - one to step in next to Lovren and one for cover and again we will have to pay top dollar for them.
Ok so we survive this season in the PL. there needs to be a massive rethink in the summer. We will need a new left back as Shaw will leave followed by Clyne, JWP and Wanyama they will not stay around if they are not going to play regularly. What the team needs is a good hard able midfielder someone with skill. We lack that. We also desperately need two good forwards as we don't have any. I sincerely hope that there's not another season with Spider Davis and Cork in the midfield they may be neat but no end product the modern game needs a team to have scoring midfielders! If we don't sort this out - relegation next season. Oh, and of course a new manager as MP will be gone in the summer !
[quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: Poch puzzled........ Well OK - let's try and help him out. I have to firstly state I was not at the game today so I cannot really comment - but I can look at the figures on the BBC website and perhaps draw a conclusion or two. Although we had almost 70% possession and had 11 corners to their 5, and although we had 25 goal attempts to their 10, shots on target were dead square at 5 each. Of those 5 attempts each, we converted 1 and they converted 3. The figures seem straightforward enough then - we need to be (a) more clinical in the box and (b) tighter at the back. There you go - that wasn't hard was it? Solutions to (a) are either to go large and lay out big money for a "killer" as Mourinho calls the types of strikers that can convert these chances, or persist with growing our own. That will have to be a club decision as to which way to go. The (b) issue is plainer - Lovren is our only gold-star CB. Fonte and Yosh are OK but that's it - they are OK. They are not great, they are not bad, they are OK. We need two more top quality CBs - one to step in next to Lovren and one for cover and again we will have to pay top dollar for them.[/p][/quote]Ok so we survive this season in the PL. there needs to be a massive rethink in the summer. We will need a new left back as Shaw will leave followed by Clyne, JWP and Wanyama they will not stay around if they are not going to play regularly. What the team needs is a good hard able midfielder someone with skill. We lack that. We also desperately need two good forwards as we don't have any. I sincerely hope that there's not another season with Spider Davis and Cork in the midfield they may be neat but no end product the modern game needs a team to have scoring midfielders! If we don't sort this out - relegation next season. Oh, and of course a new manager as MP will be gone in the summer ! saintlysoul
  • Score: -18

9:45pm Sat 22 Feb 14

angus mc coatup says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...
Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).
we have too many physically weak players? jack cork was the best defensive midfielder with most tackles for jan this year, spider was the best defensive midfielder last season with most tackles won and was near the top in interceptions. Wanyama is a midfield powerhouse and our drop in form has coincided with his injury. s.davis and jwp can also hold their own in a `battle`.
so that's the `physical toughness` argument out the window!

as for `mental toughness,
we are 8th in the prem after a poor run of form. the players have shown the `mental strength` to keep attacking even though we have taken a knock or two. many teams/players would have crumbled and `hidden` given whats gone on, yet each week they come out and have a right old go and dominate the opposition. we are lacking goals that's all, the cub tried to bring in a world class striker in the summer but he thought he was `bigger` than the team and wasn't able to adapt to the prem. the players showed great togetherness after the NC and dani incidents which clearly proves your claim that they are lacking `mental toughness` to be totally false in everyway!
oh and stop talking to yourself your really starting to look sad and seeking attention.
Wasting you're time there I think horse, He's got so many different aliases he's confused himself.

As for the game today well nothing new really, we always seem to struggle against big defensive sides. Lets not forget, most of this squad is still very young and needs time. But the potential is enormous when you see we finished the game with four players under twenty and most of the rest are early twenties so the team has a lot of lessons to learn and will grow and mature as they gain that experience. If you add in the rest of the young lads on the fringe then the future looks promising. This is the way forward for us because players brought up through the system will probably be more loyal.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...[/p][/quote]Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).[/p][/quote]we have too many physically weak players? jack cork was the best defensive midfielder with most tackles for jan this year, spider was the best defensive midfielder last season with most tackles won and was near the top in interceptions. Wanyama is a midfield powerhouse and our drop in form has coincided with his injury. s.davis and jwp can also hold their own in a `battle`. so that's the `physical toughness` argument out the window! as for `mental toughness, we are 8th in the prem after a poor run of form. the players have shown the `mental strength` to keep attacking even though we have taken a knock or two. many teams/players would have crumbled and `hidden` given whats gone on, yet each week they come out and have a right old go and dominate the opposition. we are lacking goals that's all, the cub tried to bring in a world class striker in the summer but he thought he was `bigger` than the team and wasn't able to adapt to the prem. the players showed great togetherness after the NC and dani incidents which clearly proves your claim that they are lacking `mental toughness` to be totally false in everyway! oh and stop talking to yourself your really starting to look sad and seeking attention.[/p][/quote]Wasting you're time there I think horse, He's got so many different aliases he's confused himself. As for the game today well nothing new really, we always seem to struggle against big defensive sides. Lets not forget, most of this squad is still very young and needs time. But the potential is enormous when you see we finished the game with four players under twenty and most of the rest are early twenties so the team has a lot of lessons to learn and will grow and mature as they gain that experience. If you add in the rest of the young lads on the fringe then the future looks promising. This is the way forward for us because players brought up through the system will probably be more loyal. angus mc coatup
  • Score: 15

9:51pm Sat 22 Feb 14

angus mc coatup says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
Poch puzzled........

Well OK - let's try and help him out. I have to firstly state I was not at the game today so I cannot really comment - but I can look at the figures on the BBC website and perhaps draw a conclusion or two.

Although we had almost 70% possession and had 11 corners to their 5, and although we had 25 goal attempts to their 10, shots on target were dead square at 5 each.
Of those 5 attempts each, we converted 1 and they converted 3.

The figures seem straightforward enough then - we need to be (a) more clinical in the box and (b) tighter at the back.

There you go - that wasn't hard was it?

Solutions to (a) are either to go large and lay out big money for a "killer" as Mourinho calls the types of strikers that can convert these chances, or persist with growing our own. That will have to be a club decision as to which way to go.
The (b) issue is plainer - Lovren is our only gold-star CB. Fonte and Yosh are OK but that's it - they are OK. They are not great, they are not bad, they are OK. We need two more top quality CBs - one to step in next to Lovren and one for cover and again we will have to pay top dollar for them.
Ok so we survive this season in the PL. there needs to be a massive rethink in the summer. We will need a new left back as Shaw will leave followed by Clyne, JWP and Wanyama they will not stay around if they are not going to play regularly. What the team needs is a good hard able midfielder someone with skill. We lack that. We also desperately need two good forwards as we don't have any. I sincerely hope that there's not another season with Spider Davis and Cork in the midfield they may be neat but no end product the modern game needs a team to have scoring midfielders! If we don't sort this out - relegation next season. Oh, and of course a new manager as MP will be gone in the summer !
Seen some stupid comments on here tonight but this one is a corker.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: Poch puzzled........ Well OK - let's try and help him out. I have to firstly state I was not at the game today so I cannot really comment - but I can look at the figures on the BBC website and perhaps draw a conclusion or two. Although we had almost 70% possession and had 11 corners to their 5, and although we had 25 goal attempts to their 10, shots on target were dead square at 5 each. Of those 5 attempts each, we converted 1 and they converted 3. The figures seem straightforward enough then - we need to be (a) more clinical in the box and (b) tighter at the back. There you go - that wasn't hard was it? Solutions to (a) are either to go large and lay out big money for a "killer" as Mourinho calls the types of strikers that can convert these chances, or persist with growing our own. That will have to be a club decision as to which way to go. The (b) issue is plainer - Lovren is our only gold-star CB. Fonte and Yosh are OK but that's it - they are OK. They are not great, they are not bad, they are OK. We need two more top quality CBs - one to step in next to Lovren and one for cover and again we will have to pay top dollar for them.[/p][/quote]Ok so we survive this season in the PL. there needs to be a massive rethink in the summer. We will need a new left back as Shaw will leave followed by Clyne, JWP and Wanyama they will not stay around if they are not going to play regularly. What the team needs is a good hard able midfielder someone with skill. We lack that. We also desperately need two good forwards as we don't have any. I sincerely hope that there's not another season with Spider Davis and Cork in the midfield they may be neat but no end product the modern game needs a team to have scoring midfielders! If we don't sort this out - relegation next season. Oh, and of course a new manager as MP will be gone in the summer ![/p][/quote]Seen some stupid comments on here tonight but this one is a corker. angus mc coatup
  • Score: 15

9:56pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
Poch puzzled........

Well OK - let's try and help him out. I have to firstly state I was not at the game today so I cannot really comment - but I can look at the figures on the BBC website and perhaps draw a conclusion or two.

Although we had almost 70% possession and had 11 corners to their 5, and although we had 25 goal attempts to their 10, shots on target were dead square at 5 each.
Of those 5 attempts each, we converted 1 and they converted 3.

The figures seem straightforward enough then - we need to be (a) more clinical in the box and (b) tighter at the back.

There you go - that wasn't hard was it?

Solutions to (a) are either to go large and lay out big money for a "killer" as Mourinho calls the types of strikers that can convert these chances, or persist with growing our own. That will have to be a club decision as to which way to go.
The (b) issue is plainer - Lovren is our only gold-star CB. Fonte and Yosh are OK but that's it - they are OK. They are not great, they are not bad, they are OK. We need two more top quality CBs - one to step in next to Lovren and one for cover and again we will have to pay top dollar for them.
Ok so we survive this season in the PL. there needs to be a massive rethink in the summer. We will need a new left back as Shaw will leave followed by Clyne, JWP and Wanyama they will not stay around if they are not going to play regularly. What the team needs is a good hard able midfielder someone with skill. We lack that. We also desperately need two good forwards as we don't have any. I sincerely hope that there's not another season with Spider Davis and Cork in the midfield they may be neat but no end product the modern game needs a team to have scoring midfielders! If we don't sort this out - relegation next season. Oh, and of course a new manager as MP will be gone in the summer !
Saintlysoul...just out of interest....where are your comments when we do well? You have been very quiet for most of the season...

...I deduce we have had a good season due to your lack of posts thus far.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: Poch puzzled........ Well OK - let's try and help him out. I have to firstly state I was not at the game today so I cannot really comment - but I can look at the figures on the BBC website and perhaps draw a conclusion or two. Although we had almost 70% possession and had 11 corners to their 5, and although we had 25 goal attempts to their 10, shots on target were dead square at 5 each. Of those 5 attempts each, we converted 1 and they converted 3. The figures seem straightforward enough then - we need to be (a) more clinical in the box and (b) tighter at the back. There you go - that wasn't hard was it? Solutions to (a) are either to go large and lay out big money for a "killer" as Mourinho calls the types of strikers that can convert these chances, or persist with growing our own. That will have to be a club decision as to which way to go. The (b) issue is plainer - Lovren is our only gold-star CB. Fonte and Yosh are OK but that's it - they are OK. They are not great, they are not bad, they are OK. We need two more top quality CBs - one to step in next to Lovren and one for cover and again we will have to pay top dollar for them.[/p][/quote]Ok so we survive this season in the PL. there needs to be a massive rethink in the summer. We will need a new left back as Shaw will leave followed by Clyne, JWP and Wanyama they will not stay around if they are not going to play regularly. What the team needs is a good hard able midfielder someone with skill. We lack that. We also desperately need two good forwards as we don't have any. I sincerely hope that there's not another season with Spider Davis and Cork in the midfield they may be neat but no end product the modern game needs a team to have scoring midfielders! If we don't sort this out - relegation next season. Oh, and of course a new manager as MP will be gone in the summer ![/p][/quote]Saintlysoul...just out of interest....where are your comments when we do well? You have been very quiet for most of the season... ...I deduce we have had a good season due to your lack of posts thus far. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 13

9:57pm Sat 22 Feb 14

pompey in spain says...

watched the game today with the saints costa del sol crew,they were all down at the final whistle,but when the pompey score came on!!.........they all sang me a nice song............sorr
y!...did i say nice? i sometimes think i provide a public service over here...
watched the game today with the saints costa del sol crew,they were all down at the final whistle,but when the pompey score came on!!.........they all sang me a nice song............sorr y!...did i say nice? i sometimes think i provide a public service over here... pompey in spain
  • Score: 20

10:03pm Sat 22 Feb 14

costa gaz says...

25 shots on goal, 1 goal scored from a header by our centre half..... there lies the problem, so many chances so few goals.
Our strikers should be converting far more of the chances they get, Rodrigues and lambert have been shocking of late..
As far as today went, seems any team putting high balls into our box will score, our defenders were like rabbits caught in headlights everytime this happened.
I do like the style of football we play, but if there is no end product it is completely futile, not every team will lay down like Fulham and Hull.
All, of course, in my very humble opinion.
25 shots on goal, 1 goal scored from a header by our centre half..... there lies the problem, so many chances so few goals. Our strikers should be converting far more of the chances they get, Rodrigues and lambert have been shocking of late.. As far as today went, seems any team putting high balls into our box will score, our defenders were like rabbits caught in headlights everytime this happened. I do like the style of football we play, but if there is no end product it is completely futile, not every team will lay down like Fulham and Hull. All, of course, in my very humble opinion. costa gaz
  • Score: 9

10:17pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Santa Retfordia says...

You know, some days even our 'a-team' isn't enough. Some days we lose a match we should have won. Some days football punches you in the gut and you can't get up.

Then you remember the most overlooked words MoPo said last week: we're at the beginning of a project. We're bringing new English talent through. This will take time.

Then you think of the future, smile, and do what he'd want: believe. Still.
You know, some days even our 'a-team' isn't enough. Some days we lose a match we should have won. Some days football punches you in the gut and you can't get up. Then you remember the most overlooked words MoPo said last week: we're at the beginning of a project. We're bringing new English talent through. This will take time. Then you think of the future, smile, and do what he'd want: believe. Still. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 15

10:25pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Evening all. Just back from our day out in London.

Having not seen any replays, I can only assume that Jarvis was onside, that our penalty appeal hit the defender's left toe and that Adam was just not good enough against the shear world class talent of those fair and honest West Ham defenders.

Anyway, that promising young referee, Mark Clutterbrain helped the game flow by not blowing his whistle whenever any West Ham player accidently made sure that a Saints player wouldn't get beyond him and was almost totally even with the handballs. Having decided that the penalty appeal wasn't handball, he evened things up by not giving a clear handball against Chambers ........ on the halfway line. Unluckily, he also happened to blink when, near the end, a West Ham defender might just have accidently blocked the ball on the flanks with a part of his body that could have been attached to his arm. So, any criticism of the referee is really not fair, especially as he wasn't as bad as the plucky feller with the lovely yellow flag.

Jesting aside, despite the above, we totally mullered Spam in every part of the pitch ........ except inside the two penalty areas. And, as Warrens and others have pointed out, that's what matters most and is, in the end, so very frustrating.

One HUGE positive is that Ramirez looks up for it and Lovren is on his way back

Oh, and SaintsNeedPhysicalan
dMentalToughness, you need your head examined for signs of any brain activity.

Apologies to the young Strassies for the enraged volgarities I allowed to ooze out in the direction of Nolan, Noble, Collins, and 2 of the 3 officials. It was just a very frustrating day. Alas, if you put SWT in charge of the travel, Clutts in charge of the officiating and fat Sam in charge of the opposition, your day out is going to be something of a struggle.

Finally, I notice that the two teams with scunt in their name played each other. How did they get on?
Evening all. Just back from our day out in London. Having not seen any replays, I can only assume that Jarvis was onside, that our penalty appeal hit the defender's left toe and that Adam was just not good enough against the shear world class talent of those fair and honest West Ham defenders. Anyway, that promising young referee, Mark Clutterbrain helped the game flow by not blowing his whistle whenever any West Ham player accidently made sure that a Saints player wouldn't get beyond him and was almost totally even with the handballs. Having decided that the penalty appeal wasn't handball, he evened things up by not giving a clear handball against Chambers ........ on the halfway line. Unluckily, he also happened to blink when, near the end, a West Ham defender might just have accidently blocked the ball on the flanks with a part of his body that could have been attached to his arm. So, any criticism of the referee is really not fair, especially as he wasn't as bad as the plucky feller with the lovely yellow flag. Jesting aside, despite the above, we totally mullered Spam in every part of the pitch ........ except inside the two penalty areas. And, as Warrens and others have pointed out, that's what matters most and is, in the end, so very frustrating. One HUGE positive is that Ramirez looks up for it and Lovren is on his way back Oh, and SaintsNeedPhysicalan dMentalToughness, you need your head examined for signs of any brain activity. Apologies to the young Strassies for the enraged volgarities I allowed to ooze out in the direction of Nolan, Noble, Collins, and 2 of the 3 officials. It was just a very frustrating day. Alas, if you put SWT in charge of the travel, Clutts in charge of the officiating and fat Sam in charge of the opposition, your day out is going to be something of a struggle. Finally, I notice that the two teams with scunt in their name played each other. How did they get on? Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 9

10:31pm Sat 22 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

costa gaz wrote:
25 shots on goal, 1 goal scored from a header by our centre half..... there lies the problem, so many chances so few goals.
Our strikers should be converting far more of the chances they get, Rodrigues and lambert have been shocking of late..
As far as today went, seems any team putting high balls into our box will score, our defenders were like rabbits caught in headlights everytime this happened.
I do like the style of football we play, but if there is no end product it is completely futile, not every team will lay down like Fulham and Hull.
All, of course, in my very humble opinion.
I`m going to surprise you here gaz but AGREE with most of what you've said. as I said earlier though with regard to the goals, saints did try to bring in a world class striker this year, and paid a lot of money for him. the problem though is that he thought he was bigger than the club and couldn't or wouldn't adjust. I suspect that this will be sorted in the summer but in the meantime haven't we had a great season without the danis input. 8th in the league who wouldn't have been happy with that. J-rod hasn't had his shooting boots on for a couple of games but I think he is still the second highest scoring Englishman in the prem.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: 25 shots on goal, 1 goal scored from a header by our centre half..... there lies the problem, so many chances so few goals. Our strikers should be converting far more of the chances they get, Rodrigues and lambert have been shocking of late.. As far as today went, seems any team putting high balls into our box will score, our defenders were like rabbits caught in headlights everytime this happened. I do like the style of football we play, but if there is no end product it is completely futile, not every team will lay down like Fulham and Hull. All, of course, in my very humble opinion.[/p][/quote]I`m going to surprise you here gaz but AGREE with most of what you've said. as I said earlier though with regard to the goals, saints did try to bring in a world class striker this year, and paid a lot of money for him. the problem though is that he thought he was bigger than the club and couldn't or wouldn't adjust. I suspect that this will be sorted in the summer but in the meantime haven't we had a great season without the danis input. 8th in the league who wouldn't have been happy with that. J-rod hasn't had his shooting boots on for a couple of games but I think he is still the second highest scoring Englishman in the prem. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 4

10:37pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Unto_the_breach says...

I'm am quite simply astounded by comments appearing on here. We lost a game we could have won due to out lack if finishing but to write things like "no progress" is shocking. We are in a second season in the prem comfortably sitting mid-table above established teams like: Stoke, villa, Fulham, Sunderland and West Brom. We started last sarson under a British manager conceding goals at an unbelievable rate, with results reflecting actual relegation form. We brought in a new exciting young manager who kept us up and revolutionised out style of football. Had today's result been different we would have broken our all time away record. All this while bringing through teenagers and English players. If that isn't progress than I would like you to present me with a better example of a team to achieve so much in 18 months.

If you think west ham is a better example then go watch their style of football and enjoy Noble and co playing ugly just to stay up. I for one will be behind tah lads and Pochettino week in week out beating Liverpool away or losing to villa at home.
I'm am quite simply astounded by comments appearing on here. We lost a game we could have won due to out lack if finishing but to write things like "no progress" is shocking. We are in a second season in the prem comfortably sitting mid-table above established teams like: Stoke, villa, Fulham, Sunderland and West Brom. We started last sarson under a British manager conceding goals at an unbelievable rate, with results reflecting actual relegation form. We brought in a new exciting young manager who kept us up and revolutionised out style of football. Had today's result been different we would have broken our all time away record. All this while bringing through teenagers and English players. If that isn't progress than I would like you to present me with a better example of a team to achieve so much in 18 months. If you think west ham is a better example then go watch their style of football and enjoy Noble and co playing ugly just to stay up. I for one will be behind tah lads and Pochettino week in week out beating Liverpool away or losing to villa at home. Unto_the_breach
  • Score: 21

10:42pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Santa Retfordia says...

Unto_the_breach wrote:
I'm am quite simply astounded by comments appearing on here. We lost a game we could have won due to out lack if finishing but to write things like "no progress" is shocking. We are in a second season in the prem comfortably sitting mid-table above established teams like: Stoke, villa, Fulham, Sunderland and West Brom. We started last sarson under a British manager conceding goals at an unbelievable rate, with results reflecting actual relegation form. We brought in a new exciting young manager who kept us up and revolutionised out style of football. Had today's result been different we would have broken our all time away record. All this while bringing through teenagers and English players. If that isn't progress than I would like you to present me with a better example of a team to achieve so much in 18 months.

If you think west ham is a better example then go watch their style of football and enjoy Noble and co playing ugly just to stay up. I for one will be behind tah lads and Pochettino week in week out beating Liverpool away or losing to villa at home.
You are, of course, 100% correct in what you say. Sadly, it's always like this on here when we lose.

Don't let them put you off posting, mind. Most people agree with you.
[quote][p][bold]Unto_the_breach[/bold] wrote: I'm am quite simply astounded by comments appearing on here. We lost a game we could have won due to out lack if finishing but to write things like "no progress" is shocking. We are in a second season in the prem comfortably sitting mid-table above established teams like: Stoke, villa, Fulham, Sunderland and West Brom. We started last sarson under a British manager conceding goals at an unbelievable rate, with results reflecting actual relegation form. We brought in a new exciting young manager who kept us up and revolutionised out style of football. Had today's result been different we would have broken our all time away record. All this while bringing through teenagers and English players. If that isn't progress than I would like you to present me with a better example of a team to achieve so much in 18 months. If you think west ham is a better example then go watch their style of football and enjoy Noble and co playing ugly just to stay up. I for one will be behind tah lads and Pochettino week in week out beating Liverpool away or losing to villa at home.[/p][/quote]You are, of course, 100% correct in what you say. Sadly, it's always like this on here when we lose. Don't let them put you off posting, mind. Most people agree with you. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 11

10:43pm Sat 22 Feb 14

miltonarcher says...

notaclue wrote:
I haven't seen todays game yet but im not surprised by the result we always struggle against long ball quick break tactics. Our high pressing possession style football with no end result, a striker like Lukaku could change everything for Saints and take us to the next level.
Really, lukaku, I know an everton supporter who said don't believe the hype lukaku is kak. I think you might find Everton have bought in a new centre forward.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: I haven't seen todays game yet but im not surprised by the result we always struggle against long ball quick break tactics. Our high pressing possession style football with no end result, a striker like Lukaku could change everything for Saints and take us to the next level.[/p][/quote]Really, lukaku, I know an everton supporter who said don't believe the hype lukaku is kak. I think you might find Everton have bought in a new centre forward. miltonarcher
  • Score: 3

10:48pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Santa Retfordia says...

I tell you what's really shocking about today: Alan Shearer's shirt. Jesus Christ, someone's been reigning him in of late but it looks like whoever that is has been on the p1ss tonight and told him "Yeah, Alan, looks great...".
I tell you what's really shocking about today: Alan Shearer's shirt. Jesus Christ, someone's been reigning him in of late but it looks like whoever that is has been on the p1ss tonight and told him "Yeah, Alan, looks great...". Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 6

10:49pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
saintlysoul wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
Poch puzzled........

Well OK - let's try and help him out. I have to firstly state I was not at the game today so I cannot really comment - but I can look at the figures on the BBC website and perhaps draw a conclusion or two.

Although we had almost 70% possession and had 11 corners to their 5, and although we had 25 goal attempts to their 10, shots on target were dead square at 5 each.
Of those 5 attempts each, we converted 1 and they converted 3.

The figures seem straightforward enough then - we need to be (a) more clinical in the box and (b) tighter at the back.

There you go - that wasn't hard was it?

Solutions to (a) are either to go large and lay out big money for a "killer" as Mourinho calls the types of strikers that can convert these chances, or persist with growing our own. That will have to be a club decision as to which way to go.
The (b) issue is plainer - Lovren is our only gold-star CB. Fonte and Yosh are OK but that's it - they are OK. They are not great, they are not bad, they are OK. We need two more top quality CBs - one to step in next to Lovren and one for cover and again we will have to pay top dollar for them.
Ok so we survive this season in the PL. there needs to be a massive rethink in the summer. We will need a new left back as Shaw will leave followed by Clyne, JWP and Wanyama they will not stay around if they are not going to play regularly. What the team needs is a good hard able midfielder someone with skill. We lack that. We also desperately need two good forwards as we don't have any. I sincerely hope that there's not another season with Spider Davis and Cork in the midfield they may be neat but no end product the modern game needs a team to have scoring midfielders! If we don't sort this out - relegation next season. Oh, and of course a new manager as MP will be gone in the summer !
Seen some stupid comments on here tonight but this one is a corker.
Yeah this poster is very possibly the stupidest poster of all the posters we get who come from stupid land. Obviously Spider is a very poor player. That's why his stats are not bettered by any other holding midfielder in the league. He's so bad Arsenal are reported to be looking at him. Cork is also hopeless. That's why Swansea put in a bid for him and Fulham were after him too. We are also so weak up front. That's why Liverpool want JRod, hoofers want SRL and England want Adam. Clyne, JWP and Wanyama are all tied down to long term contracts and as we have just proven we will keep them if that's what we decide to do. That also applies to Luke and Callum. The one and only thing he is right about is we need another quality striker and that is what we tried to do with Osvaldo.
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: Poch puzzled........ Well OK - let's try and help him out. I have to firstly state I was not at the game today so I cannot really comment - but I can look at the figures on the BBC website and perhaps draw a conclusion or two. Although we had almost 70% possession and had 11 corners to their 5, and although we had 25 goal attempts to their 10, shots on target were dead square at 5 each. Of those 5 attempts each, we converted 1 and they converted 3. The figures seem straightforward enough then - we need to be (a) more clinical in the box and (b) tighter at the back. There you go - that wasn't hard was it? Solutions to (a) are either to go large and lay out big money for a "killer" as Mourinho calls the types of strikers that can convert these chances, or persist with growing our own. That will have to be a club decision as to which way to go. The (b) issue is plainer - Lovren is our only gold-star CB. Fonte and Yosh are OK but that's it - they are OK. They are not great, they are not bad, they are OK. We need two more top quality CBs - one to step in next to Lovren and one for cover and again we will have to pay top dollar for them.[/p][/quote]Ok so we survive this season in the PL. there needs to be a massive rethink in the summer. We will need a new left back as Shaw will leave followed by Clyne, JWP and Wanyama they will not stay around if they are not going to play regularly. What the team needs is a good hard able midfielder someone with skill. We lack that. We also desperately need two good forwards as we don't have any. I sincerely hope that there's not another season with Spider Davis and Cork in the midfield they may be neat but no end product the modern game needs a team to have scoring midfielders! If we don't sort this out - relegation next season. Oh, and of course a new manager as MP will be gone in the summer ![/p][/quote]Seen some stupid comments on here tonight but this one is a corker.[/p][/quote]Yeah this poster is very possibly the stupidest poster of all the posters we get who come from stupid land. Obviously Spider is a very poor player. That's why his stats are not bettered by any other holding midfielder in the league. He's so bad Arsenal are reported to be looking at him. Cork is also hopeless. That's why Swansea put in a bid for him and Fulham were after him too. We are also so weak up front. That's why Liverpool want JRod, hoofers want SRL and England want Adam. Clyne, JWP and Wanyama are all tied down to long term contracts and as we have just proven we will keep them if that's what we decide to do. That also applies to Luke and Callum. The one and only thing he is right about is we need another quality striker and that is what we tried to do with Osvaldo. Clever Dick
  • Score: 8

10:58pm Sat 22 Feb 14

worried of n e hampshire says...

Just got home from the big smoke
Gutted
We need a striker
Just got home from the big smoke Gutted We need a striker worried of n e hampshire
  • Score: 6

11:04pm Sat 22 Feb 14

hedge end bob says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...
Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).
I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks...
I had no expectations of any particular place. What's your point? I want to see good football and an improving side. Southampton aren't going to buy the league title from City/Chelsea/Utd., but you look for improvement and commitment. These kids are paid a lot of money to line up against the likes of Nolan, Noble, John Terry, Shawcross, etc. and if they, like Lallana, Ramirez, are not tough enough to be successful against these players, then I will be critical.
ARE YOU ON HERE BECAUSE YOUR SIDE LOST 5--1???????
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...[/p][/quote]Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).[/p][/quote]I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks...[/p][/quote]I had no expectations of any particular place. What's your point? I want to see good football and an improving side. Southampton aren't going to buy the league title from City/Chelsea/Utd., but you look for improvement and commitment. These kids are paid a lot of money to line up against the likes of Nolan, Noble, John Terry, Shawcross, etc. and if they, like Lallana, Ramirez, are not tough enough to be successful against these players, then I will be critical.[/p][/quote]ARE YOU ON HERE BECAUSE YOUR SIDE LOST 5--1??????? hedge end bob
  • Score: 8

11:04pm Sat 22 Feb 14

hedge end bob says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...
Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).
I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks...
I had no expectations of any particular place. What's your point? I want to see good football and an improving side. Southampton aren't going to buy the league title from City/Chelsea/Utd., but you look for improvement and commitment. These kids are paid a lot of money to line up against the likes of Nolan, Noble, John Terry, Shawcross, etc. and if they, like Lallana, Ramirez, are not tough enough to be successful against these players, then I will be critical.
ARE YOU ON HERE BECAUSE YOUR SIDE LOST 5--1???????
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...[/p][/quote]Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).[/p][/quote]I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks...[/p][/quote]I had no expectations of any particular place. What's your point? I want to see good football and an improving side. Southampton aren't going to buy the league title from City/Chelsea/Utd., but you look for improvement and commitment. These kids are paid a lot of money to line up against the likes of Nolan, Noble, John Terry, Shawcross, etc. and if they, like Lallana, Ramirez, are not tough enough to be successful against these players, then I will be critical.[/p][/quote]ARE YOU ON HERE BECAUSE YOUR SIDE LOST 5--1??????? hedge end bob
  • Score: 0

11:26pm Sat 22 Feb 14

pompey in spain says...

im on here cos my side lost 5-1!!!!...why...is there anybody else as sad as me on here tonight?????????????
?....it would be nice for someone else to carry the burden!!
im on here cos my side lost 5-1!!!!...why...is there anybody else as sad as me on here tonight????????????? ?....it would be nice for someone else to carry the burden!! pompey in spain
  • Score: 10

11:34pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Santa Retfordia says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
Poch puzzled........

Well OK - let's try and help him out. I have to firstly state I was not at the game today so I cannot really comment - but I can look at the figures on the BBC website and perhaps draw a conclusion or two.

Although we had almost 70% possession and had 11 corners to their 5, and although we had 25 goal attempts to their 10, shots on target were dead square at 5 each.
Of those 5 attempts each, we converted 1 and they converted 3.

The figures seem straightforward enough then - we need to be (a) more clinical in the box and (b) tighter at the back.

There you go - that wasn't hard was it?

Solutions to (a) are either to go large and lay out big money for a "killer" as Mourinho calls the types of strikers that can convert these chances, or persist with growing our own. That will have to be a club decision as to which way to go.
The (b) issue is plainer - Lovren is our only gold-star CB. Fonte and Yosh are OK but that's it - they are OK. They are not great, they are not bad, they are OK. We need two more top quality CBs - one to step in next to Lovren and one for cover and again we will have to pay top dollar for them.
Ok so we survive this season in the PL. there needs to be a massive rethink in the summer. We will need a new left back as Shaw will leave followed by Clyne, JWP and Wanyama they will not stay around if they are not going to play regularly. What the team needs is a good hard able midfielder someone with skill. We lack that. We also desperately need two good forwards as we don't have any. I sincerely hope that there's not another season with Spider Davis and Cork in the midfield they may be neat but no end product the modern game needs a team to have scoring midfielders! If we don't sort this out - relegation next season. Oh, and of course a new manager as MP will be gone in the summer !
Congratulations! You've just marked yourself out as the biggest pr1ck on the entire Internet. That takes some doing. Seriously, give yourself a round of applause.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: Poch puzzled........ Well OK - let's try and help him out. I have to firstly state I was not at the game today so I cannot really comment - but I can look at the figures on the BBC website and perhaps draw a conclusion or two. Although we had almost 70% possession and had 11 corners to their 5, and although we had 25 goal attempts to their 10, shots on target were dead square at 5 each. Of those 5 attempts each, we converted 1 and they converted 3. The figures seem straightforward enough then - we need to be (a) more clinical in the box and (b) tighter at the back. There you go - that wasn't hard was it? Solutions to (a) are either to go large and lay out big money for a "killer" as Mourinho calls the types of strikers that can convert these chances, or persist with growing our own. That will have to be a club decision as to which way to go. The (b) issue is plainer - Lovren is our only gold-star CB. Fonte and Yosh are OK but that's it - they are OK. They are not great, they are not bad, they are OK. We need two more top quality CBs - one to step in next to Lovren and one for cover and again we will have to pay top dollar for them.[/p][/quote]Ok so we survive this season in the PL. there needs to be a massive rethink in the summer. We will need a new left back as Shaw will leave followed by Clyne, JWP and Wanyama they will not stay around if they are not going to play regularly. What the team needs is a good hard able midfielder someone with skill. We lack that. We also desperately need two good forwards as we don't have any. I sincerely hope that there's not another season with Spider Davis and Cork in the midfield they may be neat but no end product the modern game needs a team to have scoring midfielders! If we don't sort this out - relegation next season. Oh, and of course a new manager as MP will be gone in the summer ![/p][/quote]Congratulations! You've just marked yourself out as the biggest pr1ck on the entire Internet. That takes some doing. Seriously, give yourself a round of applause. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 3

11:37pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

pompey in spain wrote:
im on here cos my side lost 5-1!!!!...why...is there anybody else as sad as me on here tonight?????????????

?....it would be nice for someone else to carry the burden!!
Tbf...I thought you'd get beat by six minimum. Scunthorpe are a class act in that league...as is David Connolly...who scored again today...for Oxford.
[quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: im on here cos my side lost 5-1!!!!...why...is there anybody else as sad as me on here tonight????????????? ?....it would be nice for someone else to carry the burden!![/p][/quote]Tbf...I thought you'd get beat by six minimum. Scunthorpe are a class act in that league...as is David Connolly...who scored again today...for Oxford. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 5

11:37pm Sat 22 Feb 14

donni1437 says...

Poor defending and out muscled, Big Vic and Lovren will sort it out next game.
Poor defending and out muscled, Big Vic and Lovren will sort it out next game. donni1437
  • Score: 2

11:39pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

pompey in spain wrote:
im on here cos my side lost 5-1!!!!...why...is there anybody else as sad as me on here tonight?????????????

?....it would be nice for someone else to carry the burden!!
PiS, if you scroll through all the above, you'll notice that there are, indeed, one or two that are as sad as you. The difference is that they have a tiny reason to be a wee bit sad whereas you have all the right in the whole world to feel totally and utterly suicidal.

Never mind, there's always something to look forward to, for example, the Football League show's on shortly.

DON'T JUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: im on here cos my side lost 5-1!!!!...why...is there anybody else as sad as me on here tonight????????????? ?....it would be nice for someone else to carry the burden!![/p][/quote]PiS, if you scroll through all the above, you'll notice that there are, indeed, one or two that are as sad as you. The difference is that they have a tiny reason to be a wee bit sad whereas you have all the right in the whole world to feel totally and utterly suicidal. Never mind, there's always something to look forward to, for example, the Football League show's on shortly. DON'T JUMP!!!!!!!!!!!! Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 5

11:40pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Crispinmumbles says...

Real Madrid? Who is responsible for the selection/lack of central defensive alternatives to Yoshida. Not good enough. Lucky for Poch that Cortese has gone or he would have been sacking him. Poor substitution again did not help, Ramirez is not match fit. Glad Poch is boss, speak English, we all know you can but learn a bit about English football re: FA Cup, Allardyce and what a good centre-back is required to have.. Good season but should have been so much better
Real Madrid? Who is responsible for the selection/lack of central defensive alternatives to Yoshida. Not good enough. Lucky for Poch that Cortese has gone or he would have been sacking him. Poor substitution again did not help, Ramirez is not match fit. Glad Poch is boss, speak English, we all know you can but learn a bit about English football re: FA Cup, Allardyce and what a good centre-back is required to have.. Good season but should have been so much better Crispinmumbles
  • Score: -7

11:42pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...
Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).
I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks...
I had no expectations of any particular place. What's your point? I want to see good football and an improving side. Southampton aren't going to buy the league title from City/Chelsea/Utd., but you look for improvement and commitment. These kids are paid a lot of money to line up against the likes of Nolan, Noble, John Terry, Shawcross, etc. and if they, like Lallana, Ramirez, are not tough enough to be successful against these players, then I will be critical.
ARE YOU ON HERE BECAUSE YOUR SIDE LOST 5--1???????
Bob, glad to see you can still shout after your day out. I'm so hoarse, as soon as I hit the sack, I'm taking to strepsils.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...[/p][/quote]Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).[/p][/quote]I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks...[/p][/quote]I had no expectations of any particular place. What's your point? I want to see good football and an improving side. Southampton aren't going to buy the league title from City/Chelsea/Utd., but you look for improvement and commitment. These kids are paid a lot of money to line up against the likes of Nolan, Noble, John Terry, Shawcross, etc. and if they, like Lallana, Ramirez, are not tough enough to be successful against these players, then I will be critical.[/p][/quote]ARE YOU ON HERE BECAUSE YOUR SIDE LOST 5--1???????[/p][/quote]Bob, glad to see you can still shout after your day out. I'm so hoarse, as soon as I hit the sack, I'm taking to strepsils. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: -1

11:43pm Sat 22 Feb 14

donni1437 says...

wow, lots of skates on here today making me laugh. Jealously is a bitter emotion
wow, lots of skates on here today making me laugh. Jealously is a bitter emotion donni1437
  • Score: 3

11:44pm Sat 22 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

pompey in spain wrote:
im on here cos my side lost 5-1!!!!...why...is there anybody else as sad as me on here tonight?????????????

?....it would be nice for someone else to carry the burden!!
theres plenty of your kind on here tonight, unfortunately they are in hiding and would rather pretend to be poor saints fans in order to wind us up, rather than being honest and proud to support the worst team on the south coast
[quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: im on here cos my side lost 5-1!!!!...why...is there anybody else as sad as me on here tonight????????????? ?....it would be nice for someone else to carry the burden!![/p][/quote]theres plenty of your kind on here tonight, unfortunately they are in hiding and would rather pretend to be poor saints fans in order to wind us up, rather than being honest and proud to support the worst team on the south coast el caballo santos101
  • Score: 3

11:50pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Crispinmumbles wrote:
Real Madrid? Who is responsible for the selection/lack of central defensive alternatives to Yoshida. Not good enough. Lucky for Poch that Cortese has gone or he would have been sacking him. Poor substitution again did not help, Ramirez is not match fit. Glad Poch is boss, speak English, we all know you can but learn a bit about English football re: FA Cup, Allardyce and what a good centre-back is required to have.. Good season but should have been so much better
Ramirez looked pretty sharp to me.

It was the right substitution at the right time and, with a little more luck, his introduction would have turned the game.
[quote][p][bold]Crispinmumbles[/bold] wrote: Real Madrid? Who is responsible for the selection/lack of central defensive alternatives to Yoshida. Not good enough. Lucky for Poch that Cortese has gone or he would have been sacking him. Poor substitution again did not help, Ramirez is not match fit. Glad Poch is boss, speak English, we all know you can but learn a bit about English football re: FA Cup, Allardyce and what a good centre-back is required to have.. Good season but should have been so much better[/p][/quote]Ramirez looked pretty sharp to me. It was the right substitution at the right time and, with a little more luck, his introduction would have turned the game. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 5

11:52pm Sat 22 Feb 14

BehindEnemyLines says...

Constantly reading comments about how we had 70% possession and 25 shots so we should have won is depressing.... This is exactly our problem, Swansea have the highest possession average in the league where are they?? Plenty of sideways passing and not enough penetration allowing the opposition time to settle and get set up to defend, which more and more teams are now doing against us. Far too wasteful in front of goal, be good to get Love back into the starting eleven, and Gaston did enough to show he should start more. RL and JR had poor games again for the third game running, they need competition for places.
So let's stop whining about referees, handballs and marginal offsides and start looking at the real reason we lost today!
Constantly reading comments about how we had 70% possession and 25 shots so we should have won is depressing.... This is exactly our problem, Swansea have the highest possession average in the league where are they?? Plenty of sideways passing and not enough penetration allowing the opposition time to settle and get set up to defend, which more and more teams are now doing against us. Far too wasteful in front of goal, be good to get Love back into the starting eleven, and Gaston did enough to show he should start more. RL and JR had poor games again for the third game running, they need competition for places. So let's stop whining about referees, handballs and marginal offsides and start looking at the real reason we lost today! BehindEnemyLines
  • Score: 7

11:55pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Unto_the_breach wrote:
I'm am quite simply astounded by comments appearing on here. We lost a game we could have won due to out lack if finishing but to write things like "no progress" is shocking. We are in a second season in the prem comfortably sitting mid-table above established teams like: Stoke, villa, Fulham, Sunderland and West Brom. We started last sarson under a British manager conceding goals at an unbelievable rate, with results reflecting actual relegation form. We brought in a new exciting young manager who kept us up and revolutionised out style of football. Had today's result been different we would have broken our all time away record. All this while bringing through teenagers and English players. If that isn't progress than I would like you to present me with a better example of a team to achieve so much in 18 months.

If you think west ham is a better example then go watch their style of football and enjoy Noble and co playing ugly just to stay up. I for one will be behind tah lads and Pochettino week in week out beating Liverpool away or losing to villa at home.
You are, of course, 100% correct in what you say. Sadly, it's always like this on here when we lose.

Don't let them put you off posting, mind. Most people agree with you.
Yep! And thanks for the Shearer comment, Ret. I needed that giggle.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Unto_the_breach[/bold] wrote: I'm am quite simply astounded by comments appearing on here. We lost a game we could have won due to out lack if finishing but to write things like "no progress" is shocking. We are in a second season in the prem comfortably sitting mid-table above established teams like: Stoke, villa, Fulham, Sunderland and West Brom. We started last sarson under a British manager conceding goals at an unbelievable rate, with results reflecting actual relegation form. We brought in a new exciting young manager who kept us up and revolutionised out style of football. Had today's result been different we would have broken our all time away record. All this while bringing through teenagers and English players. If that isn't progress than I would like you to present me with a better example of a team to achieve so much in 18 months. If you think west ham is a better example then go watch their style of football and enjoy Noble and co playing ugly just to stay up. I for one will be behind tah lads and Pochettino week in week out beating Liverpool away or losing to villa at home.[/p][/quote]You are, of course, 100% correct in what you say. Sadly, it's always like this on here when we lose. Don't let them put you off posting, mind. Most people agree with you.[/p][/quote]Yep! And thanks for the Shearer comment, Ret. I needed that giggle. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 0

12:01am Sun 23 Feb 14

pompey in spain says...

cheers stras,andbadd bill..........cheere
d me up no end....el caballo im confused??....does that make me a saints fan pretending to be a self degrading pompey fan?or am i a pompey fan pretending to be a pro saints wum?or really a saints wum pompey fan?or maybe....oh never mind!!!
cheers stras,andbadd bill..........cheere d me up no end....el caballo im confused??....does that make me a saints fan pretending to be a self degrading pompey fan?or am i a pompey fan pretending to be a pro saints wum?or really a saints wum pompey fan?or maybe....oh never mind!!! pompey in spain
  • Score: 7

12:25am Sun 23 Feb 14

Crispinmumbles says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Crispinmumbles wrote:
Real Madrid? Who is responsible for the selection/lack of central defensive alternatives to Yoshida. Not good enough. Lucky for Poch that Cortese has gone or he would have been sacking him. Poor substitution again did not help, Ramirez is not match fit. Glad Poch is boss, speak English, we all know you can but learn a bit about English football re: FA Cup, Allardyce and what a good centre-back is required to have.. Good season but should have been so much better
Ramirez looked pretty sharp to me.

It was the right substitution at the right time and, with a little more luck, his introduction would have turned the game.
Can't agree, 8 weeks or so out and the finish was that of a 'rusty player'' - head over the ball! - But hey, as I said, good season, I just feel with better purchases (Osvaldo always chancy given his reputation as a nut job) and more ambition in the cups could have been better. Poch has made it clear that he didn't want to compete in the Europa League. I would have liked to.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crispinmumbles[/bold] wrote: Real Madrid? Who is responsible for the selection/lack of central defensive alternatives to Yoshida. Not good enough. Lucky for Poch that Cortese has gone or he would have been sacking him. Poor substitution again did not help, Ramirez is not match fit. Glad Poch is boss, speak English, we all know you can but learn a bit about English football re: FA Cup, Allardyce and what a good centre-back is required to have.. Good season but should have been so much better[/p][/quote]Ramirez looked pretty sharp to me. It was the right substitution at the right time and, with a little more luck, his introduction would have turned the game.[/p][/quote]Can't agree, 8 weeks or so out and the finish was that of a 'rusty player'' - head over the ball! - But hey, as I said, good season, I just feel with better purchases (Osvaldo always chancy given his reputation as a nut job) and more ambition in the cups could have been better. Poch has made it clear that he didn't want to compete in the Europa League. I would have liked to. Crispinmumbles
  • Score: 2

1:18am Sun 23 Feb 14

st1halo says...

pompey in spain wrote:
cheers stras,andbadd bill..........cheere

d me up no end....el caballo im confused??....does that make me a saints fan pretending to be a self degrading pompey fan?or am i a pompey fan pretending to be a pro saints wum?or really a saints wum pompey fan?or maybe....oh never mind!!!
I was sad PIS when we lost today. Even sadder when I read some of the comments on here so I decided to have a look on your site to cheer myself up.
Then I read this which, I have to say has had me in fcking hysterics ever since!!
"Would love to be like Rangers in Scotland, big club, hard times, ripping back up through the leagues, but we ain't! What do you suggest, as something's wrong for sure? PUP"

STID
[quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: cheers stras,andbadd bill..........cheere d me up no end....el caballo im confused??....does that make me a saints fan pretending to be a self degrading pompey fan?or am i a pompey fan pretending to be a pro saints wum?or really a saints wum pompey fan?or maybe....oh never mind!!![/p][/quote]I was sad PIS when we lost today. Even sadder when I read some of the comments on here so I decided to have a look on your site to cheer myself up. Then I read this which, I have to say has had me in fcking hysterics ever since!! "Would love to be like Rangers in Scotland, big club, hard times, ripping back up through the leagues, but we ain't! What do you suggest, as something's wrong for sure? PUP" STID st1halo
  • Score: 0

1:39am Sun 23 Feb 14

DisplacedFan says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
saintlysoul wrote:
Jan28th1984 wrote:
Poch puzzled........

Well OK - let's try and help him out. I have to firstly state I was not at the game today so I cannot really comment - but I can look at the figures on the BBC website and perhaps draw a conclusion or two.

Although we had almost 70% possession and had 11 corners to their 5, and although we had 25 goal attempts to their 10, shots on target were dead square at 5 each.
Of those 5 attempts each, we converted 1 and they converted 3.

The figures seem straightforward enough then - we need to be (a) more clinical in the box and (b) tighter at the back.

There you go - that wasn't hard was it?

Solutions to (a) are either to go large and lay out big money for a "killer" as Mourinho calls the types of strikers that can convert these chances, or persist with growing our own. That will have to be a club decision as to which way to go.
The (b) issue is plainer - Lovren is our only gold-star CB. Fonte and Yosh are OK but that's it - they are OK. They are not great, they are not bad, they are OK. We need two more top quality CBs - one to step in next to Lovren and one for cover and again we will have to pay top dollar for them.
Ok so we survive this season in the PL. there needs to be a massive rethink in the summer. We will need a new left back as Shaw will leave followed by Clyne, JWP and Wanyama they will not stay around if they are not going to play regularly. What the team needs is a good hard able midfielder someone with skill. We lack that. We also desperately need two good forwards as we don't have any. I sincerely hope that there's not another season with Spider Davis and Cork in the midfield they may be neat but no end product the modern game needs a team to have scoring midfielders! If we don't sort this out - relegation next season. Oh, and of course a new manager as MP will be gone in the summer !
Seen some stupid comments on here tonight but this one is a corker.
If you take out some of the bigger words, those ones longer than "grunt' and you shorten the sentences due to an inability to think for longer than a few seconds- reptilian brain- this could be a skunt.
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: Poch puzzled........ Well OK - let's try and help him out. I have to firstly state I was not at the game today so I cannot really comment - but I can look at the figures on the BBC website and perhaps draw a conclusion or two. Although we had almost 70% possession and had 11 corners to their 5, and although we had 25 goal attempts to their 10, shots on target were dead square at 5 each. Of those 5 attempts each, we converted 1 and they converted 3. The figures seem straightforward enough then - we need to be (a) more clinical in the box and (b) tighter at the back. There you go - that wasn't hard was it? Solutions to (a) are either to go large and lay out big money for a "killer" as Mourinho calls the types of strikers that can convert these chances, or persist with growing our own. That will have to be a club decision as to which way to go. The (b) issue is plainer - Lovren is our only gold-star CB. Fonte and Yosh are OK but that's it - they are OK. They are not great, they are not bad, they are OK. We need two more top quality CBs - one to step in next to Lovren and one for cover and again we will have to pay top dollar for them.[/p][/quote]Ok so we survive this season in the PL. there needs to be a massive rethink in the summer. We will need a new left back as Shaw will leave followed by Clyne, JWP and Wanyama they will not stay around if they are not going to play regularly. What the team needs is a good hard able midfielder someone with skill. We lack that. We also desperately need two good forwards as we don't have any. I sincerely hope that there's not another season with Spider Davis and Cork in the midfield they may be neat but no end product the modern game needs a team to have scoring midfielders! If we don't sort this out - relegation next season. Oh, and of course a new manager as MP will be gone in the summer ![/p][/quote]Seen some stupid comments on here tonight but this one is a corker.[/p][/quote]If you take out some of the bigger words, those ones longer than "grunt' and you shorten the sentences due to an inability to think for longer than a few seconds- reptilian brain- this could be a skunt. DisplacedFan
  • Score: 2

1:49am Sun 23 Feb 14

Rank Xerox says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front. Rank Xerox
  • Score: 1

1:49am Sun 23 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

pompey in spain wrote:
cheers stras,andbadd bill..........cheere

d me up no end....el caballo im confused??....does that make me a saints fan pretending to be a self degrading pompey fan?or am i a pompey fan pretending to be a pro saints wum?or really a saints wum pompey fan?or maybe....oh never mind!!!
Pis you are the Julian Clary of this site, out, proud, a touch flamboyant and always annoying ;0) other poopey fans on here are very much in the closet. our latest wum being very much the liberace of this site, everyone knows what and who he is and hes fooling none of us!
hope that helps.
[quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: cheers stras,andbadd bill..........cheere d me up no end....el caballo im confused??....does that make me a saints fan pretending to be a self degrading pompey fan?or am i a pompey fan pretending to be a pro saints wum?or really a saints wum pompey fan?or maybe....oh never mind!!![/p][/quote]Pis you are the Julian Clary of this site, out, proud, a touch flamboyant and always annoying ;0) other poopey fans on here are very much in the closet. our latest wum being very much the liberace of this site, everyone knows what and who he is and hes fooling none of us! hope that helps. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 1

2:38am Sun 23 Feb 14

allybendan says...

Nothing to be puzzled about - other teams have figured out how to play us & beat us. They know we play a sweet, neat passing game but have little "bite" close to goal. If they defend with discipline & vigor we are always vulnerable to long balls over the top & down the middle especially with our defence pushing up & playing high up the pitch. We have given away way to be many goals like that this season.
What I would like to have seen us do in this & a number of other matches when we led early, was to play deeper, more in our own half & let other teams chase goals to get back into games. We have shown real sharpness on fast breaks when defenses don't have the time to "reset" & I think we would be far more effective playing this type of game - not all the time- but when situations arise especially like at West Ham today when we were 1-0 up. We don't vary our game whether we are leading or losing & we are giving away far to many "easy" goals to be serious European contenders. 70% possession means nothing when you lose.
Jay Rod needs to work hard on his first touch. He's not turning half chances into chances due to poor ball control.
Luke Shaw needs to develop a right foot.
Maya Y is not good enough yet for this level.
Cork, Wanyama, Morgan, JWP need to spend many hours just shooting. Over & over again. Nobody can hit the ball in this team.
Love this team & just want to see us get better
supporter from Florida
Nothing to be puzzled about - other teams have figured out how to play us & beat us. They know we play a sweet, neat passing game but have little "bite" close to goal. If they defend with discipline & vigor we are always vulnerable to long balls over the top & down the middle especially with our defence pushing up & playing high up the pitch. We have given away way to be many goals like that this season. What I would like to have seen us do in this & a number of other matches when we led early, was to play deeper, more in our own half & let other teams chase goals to get back into games. We have shown real sharpness on fast breaks when defenses don't have the time to "reset" & I think we would be far more effective playing this type of game - not all the time- but when situations arise especially like at West Ham today when we were 1-0 up. We don't vary our game whether we are leading or losing & we are giving away far to many "easy" goals to be serious European contenders. 70% possession means nothing when you lose. Jay Rod needs to work hard on his first touch. He's not turning half chances into chances due to poor ball control. Luke Shaw needs to develop a right foot. Maya Y is not good enough yet for this level. Cork, Wanyama, Morgan, JWP need to spend many hours just shooting. Over & over again. Nobody can hit the ball in this team. Love this team & just want to see us get better supporter from Florida allybendan
  • Score: 4

4:36am Sun 23 Feb 14

saint christopher says...

allybendan wrote:
Nothing to be puzzled about - other teams have figured out how to play us & beat us. They know we play a sweet, neat passing game but have little "bite" close to goal. If they defend with discipline & vigor we are always vulnerable to long balls over the top & down the middle especially with our defence pushing up & playing high up the pitch. We have given away way to be many goals like that this season.
What I would like to have seen us do in this & a number of other matches when we led early, was to play deeper, more in our own half & let other teams chase goals to get back into games. We have shown real sharpness on fast breaks when defenses don't have the time to "reset" & I think we would be far more effective playing this type of game - not all the time- but when situations arise especially like at West Ham today when we were 1-0 up. We don't vary our game whether we are leading or losing & we are giving away far to many "easy" goals to be serious European contenders. 70% possession means nothing when you lose.
Jay Rod needs to work hard on his first touch. He's not turning half chances into chances due to poor ball control.
Luke Shaw needs to develop a right foot.
Maya Y is not good enough yet for this level.
Cork, Wanyama, Morgan, JWP need to spend many hours just shooting. Over & over again. Nobody can hit the ball in this team.
Love this team & just want to see us get better
supporter from Florida
Exactly. Unfortunately many fans have blinkers and don't want to accept that although we've made fantastic progress we're a long, long way short of a really good PL team. Yes we can beat anyone on our day when the weather's fine, we have a full strength team and everyone's on top of their game ... unfortunately anything less and we fall well short.

We all know where the weaknesses are which makes Mopo's continued excuses and frustrations increasingly irritating and worrying. OK, no manager wants to come out and say their team is poor up front and at the back, but let;s at least have some acknowledgement that this is where we need to improve and pinning all our hopes on 17 and 18 year olds isn't a viable strategy.
[quote][p][bold]allybendan[/bold] wrote: Nothing to be puzzled about - other teams have figured out how to play us & beat us. They know we play a sweet, neat passing game but have little "bite" close to goal. If they defend with discipline & vigor we are always vulnerable to long balls over the top & down the middle especially with our defence pushing up & playing high up the pitch. We have given away way to be many goals like that this season. What I would like to have seen us do in this & a number of other matches when we led early, was to play deeper, more in our own half & let other teams chase goals to get back into games. We have shown real sharpness on fast breaks when defenses don't have the time to "reset" & I think we would be far more effective playing this type of game - not all the time- but when situations arise especially like at West Ham today when we were 1-0 up. We don't vary our game whether we are leading or losing & we are giving away far to many "easy" goals to be serious European contenders. 70% possession means nothing when you lose. Jay Rod needs to work hard on his first touch. He's not turning half chances into chances due to poor ball control. Luke Shaw needs to develop a right foot. Maya Y is not good enough yet for this level. Cork, Wanyama, Morgan, JWP need to spend many hours just shooting. Over & over again. Nobody can hit the ball in this team. Love this team & just want to see us get better supporter from Florida[/p][/quote]Exactly. Unfortunately many fans have blinkers and don't want to accept that although we've made fantastic progress we're a long, long way short of a really good PL team. Yes we can beat anyone on our day when the weather's fine, we have a full strength team and everyone's on top of their game ... unfortunately anything less and we fall well short. We all know where the weaknesses are which makes Mopo's continued excuses and frustrations increasingly irritating and worrying. OK, no manager wants to come out and say their team is poor up front and at the back, but let;s at least have some acknowledgement that this is where we need to improve and pinning all our hopes on 17 and 18 year olds isn't a viable strategy. saint christopher
  • Score: -1

6:46am Sun 23 Feb 14

ctsaint says...

Very disappointed at the result yesterday, I watched the live stream and offer the following observations.....Our defending was poor, not just at centre back (Maya made two errors/omissions) but the full backs and defensive midfield unit allowed too many balls into the box too easily during the final 20 minutes of the first half. Once hoof took the lead they totally lacked ambition and put up a 9 man wall, before they scored a goal that was clearly offside , they looked the fragile team and were clueless. SRL looked jaded and off his game, that said he had a couple of headers that on another day might have gone in, JRod needs to improve on his first touch, and they all ( midfield and forwards) need to work on the killer pass and finish.

The second half had us back totally bossing the game, they scored from a break away , some good fortune and poor defending at a time when they hadn't touched the ball and looked content to sit deeper and deeper. A gut wrenching sucker punch.......

The game reminded me of the 2-3 reverse against Villa, it was that one sided.
At times we played some good football and opened them up only to lack the finish, this is something we need to work on throughout the team.

It's true we lack the cutting edge of a top top side, but then I think the sensible ones among us can see we are work in progress, and the side is very young and very talented.

Gaston played a blinder today when he came on, and he should start against Pool on the form and freshness he showed, he and Lalla should have scored from great chances .....he has the guile and his presence opens up the space for Lalla as marking the two of them becomes far more challenging for defenders, Gaston also has great vision, touch and movement that is very evident and hopefully will develop as he too is a youngster.

For our club it's about holding this squad together as they mature, and perhaps adding some hand picked players to fill in the gaps. A reserve keeper, centre back and forward , not in any order and not unless they fit the age and aptitude profiling we do , that was clearly ignored in the Osvaldo signing.

I can see why as a fan, one would be disssapointed with the result, but to call MOPO and seemingly the entire squad and project into question shows that you are either 12 years old, a SKUNT or a WUM, possibly a combo of all three.

The hoof has a team full of players at or past their peak , assuming peak is reached at 27-29 , who are on form and have been fighting for their lives, they will turn over and frustrate a few more sides this season with their style of play.

I would bring Lovren back for the Pool game , whilst I won't be hyper critical of Maya and Fonte as they have done well in his absence, they do not give us the dominance he exudes in the box as a pair.

Gaston should perhaps be given a start, his appearance yesterday was top class and only lacked a goal , this is great to see as there were signs of this before his injury , and the fact he got it going straight away six weeks later is great news.

The fact is our squad is fully fit, we should end the season with more points than we have ever achieved in a premiership season, and with a following wind match/beat our previous best.

Whilst we all want more , we need to be balanced, there truly has been some horse sh!te written on these threads the past24 hours!

Up the saints 2-0 against the scousers with. Danny Wallace scoring a brilliant overhead kick!
Very disappointed at the result yesterday, I watched the live stream and offer the following observations.....Our defending was poor, not just at centre back (Maya made two errors/omissions) but the full backs and defensive midfield unit allowed too many balls into the box too easily during the final 20 minutes of the first half. Once hoof took the lead they totally lacked ambition and put up a 9 man wall, before they scored a goal that was clearly offside , they looked the fragile team and were clueless. SRL looked jaded and off his game, that said he had a couple of headers that on another day might have gone in, JRod needs to improve on his first touch, and they all ( midfield and forwards) need to work on the killer pass and finish. The second half had us back totally bossing the game, they scored from a break away , some good fortune and poor defending at a time when they hadn't touched the ball and looked content to sit deeper and deeper. A gut wrenching sucker punch....... The game reminded me of the 2-3 reverse against Villa, it was that one sided. At times we played some good football and opened them up only to lack the finish, this is something we need to work on throughout the team. It's true we lack the cutting edge of a top top side, but then I think the sensible ones among us can see we are work in progress, and the side is very young and very talented. Gaston played a blinder today when he came on, and he should start against Pool on the form and freshness he showed, he and Lalla should have scored from great chances .....he has the guile and his presence opens up the space for Lalla as marking the two of them becomes far more challenging for defenders, Gaston also has great vision, touch and movement that is very evident and hopefully will develop as he too is a youngster. For our club it's about holding this squad together as they mature, and perhaps adding some hand picked players to fill in the gaps. A reserve keeper, centre back and forward , not in any order and not unless they fit the age and aptitude profiling we do , that was clearly ignored in the Osvaldo signing. I can see why as a fan, one would be disssapointed with the result, but to call MOPO and seemingly the entire squad and project into question shows that you are either 12 years old, a SKUNT or a WUM, possibly a combo of all three. The hoof has a team full of players at or past their peak , assuming peak is reached at 27-29 , who are on form and have been fighting for their lives, they will turn over and frustrate a few more sides this season with their style of play. I would bring Lovren back for the Pool game , whilst I won't be hyper critical of Maya and Fonte as they have done well in his absence, they do not give us the dominance he exudes in the box as a pair. Gaston should perhaps be given a start, his appearance yesterday was top class and only lacked a goal , this is great to see as there were signs of this before his injury , and the fact he got it going straight away six weeks later is great news. The fact is our squad is fully fit, we should end the season with more points than we have ever achieved in a premiership season, and with a following wind match/beat our previous best. Whilst we all want more , we need to be balanced, there truly has been some horse sh!te written on these threads the past24 hours! Up the saints 2-0 against the scousers with. Danny Wallace scoring a brilliant overhead kick! ctsaint
  • Score: 10

7:11am Sun 23 Feb 14

ctsaint says...

ctsaint wrote:
Very disappointed at the result yesterday, I watched the live stream and offer the following observations.....Our defending was poor, not just at centre back (Maya made two errors/omissions) but the full backs and defensive midfield unit allowed too many balls into the box too easily during the final 20 minutes of the first half. Once hoof took the lead they totally lacked ambition and put up a 9 man wall, before they scored a goal that was clearly offside , they looked the fragile team and were clueless. SRL looked jaded and off his game, that said he had a couple of headers that on another day might have gone in, JRod needs to improve on his first touch, and they all ( midfield and forwards) need to work on the killer pass and finish.

The second half had us back totally bossing the game, they scored from a break away , some good fortune and poor defending at a time when they hadn't touched the ball and looked content to sit deeper and deeper. A gut wrenching sucker punch.......

The game reminded me of the 2-3 reverse against Villa, it was that one sided.
At times we played some good football and opened them up only to lack the finish, this is something we need to work on throughout the team.

It's true we lack the cutting edge of a top top side, but then I think the sensible ones among us can see we are work in progress, and the side is very young and very talented.

Gaston played a blinder today when he came on, and he should start against Pool on the form and freshness he showed, he and Lalla should have scored from great chances .....he has the guile and his presence opens up the space for Lalla as marking the two of them becomes far more challenging for defenders, Gaston also has great vision, touch and movement that is very evident and hopefully will develop as he too is a youngster.

For our club it's about holding this squad together as they mature, and perhaps adding some hand picked players to fill in the gaps. A reserve keeper, centre back and forward , not in any order and not unless they fit the age and aptitude profiling we do , that was clearly ignored in the Osvaldo signing.

I can see why as a fan, one would be disssapointed with the result, but to call MOPO and seemingly the entire squad and project into question shows that you are either 12 years old, a SKUNT or a WUM, possibly a combo of all three.

The hoof has a team full of players at or past their peak , assuming peak is reached at 27-29 , who are on form and have been fighting for their lives, they will turn over and frustrate a few more sides this season with their style of play.

I would bring Lovren back for the Pool game , whilst I won't be hyper critical of Maya and Fonte as they have done well in his absence, they do not give us the dominance he exudes in the box as a pair.

Gaston should perhaps be given a start, his appearance yesterday was top class and only lacked a goal , this is great to see as there were signs of this before his injury , and the fact he got it going straight away six weeks later is great news.

The fact is our squad is fully fit, we should end the season with more points than we have ever achieved in a premiership season, and with a following wind match/beat our previous best.

Whilst we all want more , we need to be balanced, there truly has been some horse sh!te written on these threads the past24 hours!

Up the saints 2-0 against the scousers with. Danny Wallace scoring a brilliant overhead kick!
MATCH STATS

West Ham UnitedSouthampton
10(5) Shots (on goal) 25(5)
10 Fouls 8
5 Corner kicks 11
1 Offsides 1
31% Time of Possession 69%
0 Yellow Cards 1
0 Red Cards 0
4 Saves 2

The above says it all 20% accuracy for our 25 shots 50% for the hoof .

We did play some great football at times and whilst disappointed , on another day would have won comfortably.

This reflects the story of our season, if you view the glass as half empty ......for every Villa and West. Ham performance there has been a Cardiff City away and Hull City result.

I don't attach any blame to the disappointing results, it's simply a factor of our youth and inexperience at this level, as well as our lack of one or two more quality players in the squad of the right quality.

I struggle to believe how in the past 4 years we could have done any better.

Yes , we have made mistakes, show me a team who doesn't , but over all we have bridged and grown over a gap in class from our humble League one starting point to we're we sit now and the level of our performances as a team, and as individuals.

Take Adam as a prime example, 4 years ago at 21 he was a little "lightweight "' at the age of 25 he is almost certain to go to the world stage. Cookie and Mrogan at the same level just about.....

Even if only half the youngsters in the squad (shaw, chambers, ward prowse, Gallagher Isgrove, JRod) develop and the 23-25 year old reach their peak in the next 12-24 months we are , assuming we hold them together in for a very very bright future....

whatever the Neg heads on here may say........probably the same bunch who would urge we spend fortunes and then slag off the club if we end up wasting the money or worse still doing a poopey, you will struggle to find a sane or balanced individual who thinks we could progress faster than we have.

COYR
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed at the result yesterday, I watched the live stream and offer the following observations.....Our defending was poor, not just at centre back (Maya made two errors/omissions) but the full backs and defensive midfield unit allowed too many balls into the box too easily during the final 20 minutes of the first half. Once hoof took the lead they totally lacked ambition and put up a 9 man wall, before they scored a goal that was clearly offside , they looked the fragile team and were clueless. SRL looked jaded and off his game, that said he had a couple of headers that on another day might have gone in, JRod needs to improve on his first touch, and they all ( midfield and forwards) need to work on the killer pass and finish. The second half had us back totally bossing the game, they scored from a break away , some good fortune and poor defending at a time when they hadn't touched the ball and looked content to sit deeper and deeper. A gut wrenching sucker punch....... The game reminded me of the 2-3 reverse against Villa, it was that one sided. At times we played some good football and opened them up only to lack the finish, this is something we need to work on throughout the team. It's true we lack the cutting edge of a top top side, but then I think the sensible ones among us can see we are work in progress, and the side is very young and very talented. Gaston played a blinder today when he came on, and he should start against Pool on the form and freshness he showed, he and Lalla should have scored from great chances .....he has the guile and his presence opens up the space for Lalla as marking the two of them becomes far more challenging for defenders, Gaston also has great vision, touch and movement that is very evident and hopefully will develop as he too is a youngster. For our club it's about holding this squad together as they mature, and perhaps adding some hand picked players to fill in the gaps. A reserve keeper, centre back and forward , not in any order and not unless they fit the age and aptitude profiling we do , that was clearly ignored in the Osvaldo signing. I can see why as a fan, one would be disssapointed with the result, but to call MOPO and seemingly the entire squad and project into question shows that you are either 12 years old, a SKUNT or a WUM, possibly a combo of all three. The hoof has a team full of players at or past their peak , assuming peak is reached at 27-29 , who are on form and have been fighting for their lives, they will turn over and frustrate a few more sides this season with their style of play. I would bring Lovren back for the Pool game , whilst I won't be hyper critical of Maya and Fonte as they have done well in his absence, they do not give us the dominance he exudes in the box as a pair. Gaston should perhaps be given a start, his appearance yesterday was top class and only lacked a goal , this is great to see as there were signs of this before his injury , and the fact he got it going straight away six weeks later is great news. The fact is our squad is fully fit, we should end the season with more points than we have ever achieved in a premiership season, and with a following wind match/beat our previous best. Whilst we all want more , we need to be balanced, there truly has been some horse sh!te written on these threads the past24 hours! Up the saints 2-0 against the scousers with. Danny Wallace scoring a brilliant overhead kick![/p][/quote]MATCH STATS West Ham UnitedSouthampton 10(5) Shots (on goal) 25(5) 10 Fouls 8 5 Corner kicks 11 1 Offsides 1 31% Time of Possession 69% 0 Yellow Cards 1 0 Red Cards 0 4 Saves 2 The above says it all 20% accuracy for our 25 shots 50% for the hoof . We did play some great football at times and whilst disappointed , on another day would have won comfortably. This reflects the story of our season, if you view the glass as half empty ......for every Villa and West. Ham performance there has been a Cardiff City away and Hull City result. I don't attach any blame to the disappointing results, it's simply a factor of our youth and inexperience at this level, as well as our lack of one or two more quality players in the squad of the right quality. I struggle to believe how in the past 4 years we could have done any better. Yes , we have made mistakes, show me a team who doesn't , but over all we have bridged and grown over a gap in class from our humble League one starting point to we're we sit now and the level of our performances as a team, and as individuals. Take Adam as a prime example, 4 years ago at 21 he was a little "lightweight "' at the age of 25 he is almost certain to go to the world stage. Cookie and Mrogan at the same level just about..... Even if only half the youngsters in the squad (shaw, chambers, ward prowse, Gallagher Isgrove, JRod) develop and the 23-25 year old reach their peak in the next 12-24 months we are , assuming we hold them together in for a very very bright future.... whatever the Neg heads on here may say........probably the same bunch who would urge we spend fortunes and then slag off the club if we end up wasting the money or worse still doing a poopey, you will struggle to find a sane or balanced individual who thinks we could progress faster than we have. COYR ctsaint
  • Score: 9

7:12am Sun 23 Feb 14

JohnItaly says...

Whilst our rise from the depths of League 1 to our current position has been nothing short of sensational I would suggest it will be a harder to move from 8th to 4th in the Premier league. This season, by any measure, has been a success story and if us fans had been offered 8th or 9th at the start of the season I think the majority of us would have gladly and happily taken it. With no real fear of relegation clouding the horizon MoPo and his team are in the comfortable position of being to plan for next season taking on board lessons to be learnt from this season. Yesterday's game encapsulated many of those lessons. We would do well to remember Swansea and their rise and fall. The true test of MoPo and his team will come with the activity in the summer tranfer market and at the start of next season
Whilst our rise from the depths of League 1 to our current position has been nothing short of sensational I would suggest it will be a harder to move from 8th to 4th in the Premier league. This season, by any measure, has been a success story and if us fans had been offered 8th or 9th at the start of the season I think the majority of us would have gladly and happily taken it. With no real fear of relegation clouding the horizon MoPo and his team are in the comfortable position of being to plan for next season taking on board lessons to be learnt from this season. Yesterday's game encapsulated many of those lessons. We would do well to remember Swansea and their rise and fall. The true test of MoPo and his team will come with the activity in the summer tranfer market and at the start of next season JohnItaly
  • Score: 7

7:46am Sun 23 Feb 14

Saintsteve7 says...

allybendan wrote:
Nothing to be puzzled about - other teams have figured out how to play us & beat us. They know we play a sweet, neat passing game but have little "bite" close to goal. If they defend with discipline & vigor we are always vulnerable to long balls over the top & down the middle especially with our defence pushing up & playing high up the pitch. We have given away way to be many goals like that this season.
What I would like to have seen us do in this & a number of other matches when we led early, was to play deeper, more in our own half & let other teams chase goals to get back into games. We have shown real sharpness on fast breaks when defenses don't have the time to "reset" & I think we would be far more effective playing this type of game - not all the time- but when situations arise especially like at West Ham today when we were 1-0 up. We don't vary our game whether we are leading or losing & we are giving away far to many "easy" goals to be serious European contenders. 70% possession means nothing when you lose.
Jay Rod needs to work hard on his first touch. He's not turning half chances into chances due to poor ball control.
Luke Shaw needs to develop a right foot.
Maya Y is not good enough yet for this level.
Cork, Wanyama, Morgan, JWP need to spend many hours just shooting. Over & over again. Nobody can hit the ball in this team.
Love this team & just want to see us get better
supporter from Florida
If everybody has 'figured us out' then how the hell have we only lost 1 in 6 and only lost 7 times all season!?
I'm sorry but your talking out your a***! Anybody can sit down, watch a few DVDs and think they have worked us out! Do you think Big Fat Sam's master plan was to let us have 70% possession and 25 shots!? Get real!
9 times out of 10 you will lose!
Sometimes it just not your day and yesterday was another one of those. We dust ourselves down and we go again because we have an excellent group of hungry and ambitious young players.
Having watched Saints since the early 90's I can honestly say I'm loving this season more than any other, we are the envy of a lot of teams up and down the country and I'm not about to let a load of idiots, who obviously have no idea about football, ruin my thoughts on my team and the great season we're having. That is all!! Up the saints!
[quote][p][bold]allybendan[/bold] wrote: Nothing to be puzzled about - other teams have figured out how to play us & beat us. They know we play a sweet, neat passing game but have little "bite" close to goal. If they defend with discipline & vigor we are always vulnerable to long balls over the top & down the middle especially with our defence pushing up & playing high up the pitch. We have given away way to be many goals like that this season. What I would like to have seen us do in this & a number of other matches when we led early, was to play deeper, more in our own half & let other teams chase goals to get back into games. We have shown real sharpness on fast breaks when defenses don't have the time to "reset" & I think we would be far more effective playing this type of game - not all the time- but when situations arise especially like at West Ham today when we were 1-0 up. We don't vary our game whether we are leading or losing & we are giving away far to many "easy" goals to be serious European contenders. 70% possession means nothing when you lose. Jay Rod needs to work hard on his first touch. He's not turning half chances into chances due to poor ball control. Luke Shaw needs to develop a right foot. Maya Y is not good enough yet for this level. Cork, Wanyama, Morgan, JWP need to spend many hours just shooting. Over & over again. Nobody can hit the ball in this team. Love this team & just want to see us get better supporter from Florida[/p][/quote]If everybody has 'figured us out' then how the hell have we only lost 1 in 6 and only lost 7 times all season!? I'm sorry but your talking out your a***! Anybody can sit down, watch a few DVDs and think they have worked us out! Do you think Big Fat Sam's master plan was to let us have 70% possession and 25 shots!? Get real! 9 times out of 10 you will lose! Sometimes it just not your day and yesterday was another one of those. We dust ourselves down and we go again because we have an excellent group of hungry and ambitious young players. Having watched Saints since the early 90's I can honestly say I'm loving this season more than any other, we are the envy of a lot of teams up and down the country and I'm not about to let a load of idiots, who obviously have no idea about football, ruin my thoughts on my team and the great season we're having. That is all!! Up the saints! Saintsteve7
  • Score: 5

8:12am Sun 23 Feb 14

warrens 76 says...

bakeyboy wrote:
Sorry but if Mopo is puzzled over todays result then I have been giving him too much credit, if he can't see that this has been the story of our season where we need 20-30 opportunities to score a goal then the guy must be blind aswell as being incompetent.
The principle of what you write has merit, the way you write it in WUMSPEAK does not...
[quote][p][bold]bakeyboy[/bold] wrote: Sorry but if Mopo is puzzled over todays result then I have been giving him too much credit, if he can't see that this has been the story of our season where we need 20-30 opportunities to score a goal then the guy must be blind aswell as being incompetent.[/p][/quote]The principle of what you write has merit, the way you write it in WUMSPEAK does not... warrens 76
  • Score: -1

8:48am Sun 23 Feb 14

warrens 76 says...

The problem we face is that possession is being confused with being the best team…much of our possession is simply to deny the other team the ball, watch Barcelona and their entire possession which can amount to double our
passes (and we are good) in any one movement has only one purpose find the opening…

1) Our passing is not as quick as it needs to be in the last 3rd our midfield slow down…Cork and Schniedrland are terrific but fear of losing the ball stops too many of our counter attacks.
2) Adam, Gaston, Jay and for the first time ever SRL i.e. the entire attack force are NOT top class finishersnor even medium class finishers…..this has cost us probably 12 points
3) our defense without Lovren and Wanyama is a liability……top teams not only have a higher scoring conversion ratio but do not concede when they have so few chances made against them…the principle of total possession is to prevent the other team attacking as well as always looking to score….I doubt any team in the premiership has had so many goals scored against them from so few chances..poor defense at times has probably cost us another 9 points…

So what do we have: the least chances against us but the highest percentage of these converted….pervers
ly we create amongst the highest number of chances with the lowest conversion….to boasts one statistic against us would be alarming but both is a cause for concern.

I have moaned about the speed of attack all season but having a long hard think about it and being so pee'd off I could not even sleep I realize for us to seriously improve to close the chasm between us and a CL spot is not solved by just one area of improvement
The problem we face is that possession is being confused with being the best team…much of our possession is simply to deny the other team the ball, watch Barcelona and their entire possession which can amount to double our passes (and we are good) in any one movement has only one purpose find the opening… 1) Our passing is not as quick as it needs to be in the last 3rd our midfield slow down…Cork and Schniedrland are terrific but fear of losing the ball stops too many of our counter attacks. 2) Adam, Gaston, Jay and for the first time ever SRL i.e. the entire attack force are NOT top class finishersnor even medium class finishers…..this has cost us probably 12 points 3) our defense without Lovren and Wanyama is a liability……top teams not only have a higher scoring conversion ratio but do not concede when they have so few chances made against them…the principle of total possession is to prevent the other team attacking as well as always looking to score….I doubt any team in the premiership has had so many goals scored against them from so few chances..poor defense at times has probably cost us another 9 points… So what do we have: the least chances against us but the highest percentage of these converted….pervers ly we create amongst the highest number of chances with the lowest conversion….to boasts one statistic against us would be alarming but both is a cause for concern. I have moaned about the speed of attack all season but having a long hard think about it and being so pee'd off I could not even sleep I realize for us to seriously improve to close the chasm between us and a CL spot is not solved by just one area of improvement warrens 76
  • Score: 4

8:55am Sun 23 Feb 14

costa gaz says...

pompey in spain wrote:
watched the game today with the saints costa del sol crew,they were all down at the final whistle,but when the pompey score came on!!.........they all sang me a nice song............sorr

y!...did i say nice? i sometimes think i provide a public service over here...
Hey PIS, R U in Benalmadena by any chance?
[quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: watched the game today with the saints costa del sol crew,they were all down at the final whistle,but when the pompey score came on!!.........they all sang me a nice song............sorr y!...did i say nice? i sometimes think i provide a public service over here...[/p][/quote]Hey PIS, R U in Benalmadena by any chance? costa gaz
  • Score: 0

9:07am Sun 23 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

warrens 76 wrote:
The problem we face is that possession is being confused with being the best team…much of our possession is simply to deny the other team the ball, watch Barcelona and their entire possession which can amount to double our
passes (and we are good) in any one movement has only one purpose find the opening…

1) Our passing is not as quick as it needs to be in the last 3rd our midfield slow down…Cork and Schniedrland are terrific but fear of losing the ball stops too many of our counter attacks.
2) Adam, Gaston, Jay and for the first time ever SRL i.e. the entire attack force are NOT top class finishersnor even medium class finishers…..this has cost us probably 12 points
3) our defense without Lovren and Wanyama is a liability……top teams not only have a higher scoring conversion ratio but do not concede when they have so few chances made against them…the principle of total possession is to prevent the other team attacking as well as always looking to score….I doubt any team in the premiership has had so many goals scored against them from so few chances..poor defense at times has probably cost us another 9 points…

So what do we have: the least chances against us but the highest percentage of these converted….pervers

ly we create amongst the highest number of chances with the lowest conversion….to boasts one statistic against us would be alarming but both is a cause for concern.

I have moaned about the speed of attack all season but having a long hard think about it and being so pee'd off I could not even sleep I realize for us to seriously improve to close the chasm between us and a CL spot is not solved by just one area of improvement
I agree with much of what you're saying, but we are still building the team. There are positions all over the pitch and on the bench that could/need to be strengthened for us to be able compete for a place in the top 4. It will take time to do that.

In the meantime, there is no need for negheads to slag off the players we have. In fact, we should show some gratitude for their contribution to us getting where we are.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: The problem we face is that possession is being confused with being the best team…much of our possession is simply to deny the other team the ball, watch Barcelona and their entire possession which can amount to double our passes (and we are good) in any one movement has only one purpose find the opening… 1) Our passing is not as quick as it needs to be in the last 3rd our midfield slow down…Cork and Schniedrland are terrific but fear of losing the ball stops too many of our counter attacks. 2) Adam, Gaston, Jay and for the first time ever SRL i.e. the entire attack force are NOT top class finishersnor even medium class finishers…..this has cost us probably 12 points 3) our defense without Lovren and Wanyama is a liability……top teams not only have a higher scoring conversion ratio but do not concede when they have so few chances made against them…the principle of total possession is to prevent the other team attacking as well as always looking to score….I doubt any team in the premiership has had so many goals scored against them from so few chances..poor defense at times has probably cost us another 9 points… So what do we have: the least chances against us but the highest percentage of these converted….pervers ly we create amongst the highest number of chances with the lowest conversion….to boasts one statistic against us would be alarming but both is a cause for concern. I have moaned about the speed of attack all season but having a long hard think about it and being so pee'd off I could not even sleep I realize for us to seriously improve to close the chasm between us and a CL spot is not solved by just one area of improvement[/p][/quote]I agree with much of what you're saying, but we are still building the team. There are positions all over the pitch and on the bench that could/need to be strengthened for us to be able compete for a place in the top 4. It will take time to do that. In the meantime, there is no need for negheads to slag off the players we have. In fact, we should show some gratitude for their contribution to us getting where we are. Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

9:19am Sun 23 Feb 14

Clever Dick says...

st1halo wrote:
pompey in spain wrote:
cheers stras,andbadd bill..........cheere


d me up no end....el caballo im confused??....does that make me a saints fan pretending to be a self degrading pompey fan?or am i a pompey fan pretending to be a pro saints wum?or really a saints wum pompey fan?or maybe....oh never mind!!!
I was sad PIS when we lost today. Even sadder when I read some of the comments on here so I decided to have a look on your site to cheer myself up.
Then I read this which, I have to say has had me in fcking hysterics ever since!!
"Would love to be like Rangers in Scotland, big club, hard times, ripping back up through the leagues, but we ain't! What do you suggest, as something's wrong for sure? PUP"

STID
There s a big difference that the skunt fools will never understand.Rangers are a big club and their fans know it. Poopey are a tiny club and their fans think they are big.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: cheers stras,andbadd bill..........cheere d me up no end....el caballo im confused??....does that make me a saints fan pretending to be a self degrading pompey fan?or am i a pompey fan pretending to be a pro saints wum?or really a saints wum pompey fan?or maybe....oh never mind!!![/p][/quote]I was sad PIS when we lost today. Even sadder when I read some of the comments on here so I decided to have a look on your site to cheer myself up. Then I read this which, I have to say has had me in fcking hysterics ever since!! "Would love to be like Rangers in Scotland, big club, hard times, ripping back up through the leagues, but we ain't! What do you suggest, as something's wrong for sure? PUP" STID[/p][/quote]There s a big difference that the skunt fools will never understand.Rangers are a big club and their fans know it. Poopey are a tiny club and their fans think they are big. Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

9:24am Sun 23 Feb 14

saint phil says...

69 % possession = 1 goal and 31% possession = 3 goals . I think we should have a re-think. We seem to be light up front with not much cutting edge.
69 % possession = 1 goal and 31% possession = 3 goals . I think we should have a re-think. We seem to be light up front with not much cutting edge. saint phil
  • Score: 3

9:48am Sun 23 Feb 14

JohnItaly says...

saint phil wrote:
69 % possession = 1 goal and 31% possession = 3 goals . I think we should have a re-think. We seem to be light up front with not much cutting edge.
Perhaps that rethink will come with Ralph Krueger who appears to be on his way following the end of the Winter Olympics. Let's hope he has a more positive impact than Clive Woodward.
[quote][p][bold]saint phil[/bold] wrote: 69 % possession = 1 goal and 31% possession = 3 goals . I think we should have a re-think. We seem to be light up front with not much cutting edge.[/p][/quote]Perhaps that rethink will come with Ralph Krueger who appears to be on his way following the end of the Winter Olympics. Let's hope he has a more positive impact than Clive Woodward. JohnItaly
  • Score: 0

10:14am Sun 23 Feb 14

Foundry Lane School says...

No plan B.
Is Poch good enough for the Premiership?
No plan B. Is Poch good enough for the Premiership? Foundry Lane School
  • Score: -2

10:37am Sun 23 Feb 14

bigfella777 says...

I think Saints have big problems. At the moment the only first team players you would want to keep are Lallana, Lovren, Clyne and Wanyama.
Shaw will go to Chelsea in the summer, how on earth are they going to find another decent left back? Rodriguez would be ok as a 3rd choice striker, Lambert maybe as a sub. So they need 2 top rate strikers for starters.
They need a decent right and left midfielder, Cork and Schneiderlin could be subs.Davis is not good enough and too old.
Fonte,Yoshida and Hooiveld, Guly should all be sold and Kelvin Davis so they need two top centre backs as well and a another decent keeper if Gazzaniga can't make the grade.

So that's 1 goaly, 2 centre backs, a left back, a right and left midfielder plus 2 strikers, I don't think the money from Shaw and Osvaldo is going to fund all that and if they don't clear out some of these players next season will be just the same.

There is also rumours that the players were drinking in the hotel on Friday night and MP was in the bar as well, if that's true it's a joke.
I think Saints have big problems. At the moment the only first team players you would want to keep are Lallana, Lovren, Clyne and Wanyama. Shaw will go to Chelsea in the summer, how on earth are they going to find another decent left back? Rodriguez would be ok as a 3rd choice striker, Lambert maybe as a sub. So they need 2 top rate strikers for starters. They need a decent right and left midfielder, Cork and Schneiderlin could be subs.Davis is not good enough and too old. Fonte,Yoshida and Hooiveld, Guly should all be sold and Kelvin Davis so they need two top centre backs as well and a another decent keeper if Gazzaniga can't make the grade. So that's 1 goaly, 2 centre backs, a left back, a right and left midfielder plus 2 strikers, I don't think the money from Shaw and Osvaldo is going to fund all that and if they don't clear out some of these players next season will be just the same. There is also rumours that the players were drinking in the hotel on Friday night and MP was in the bar as well, if that's true it's a joke. bigfella777
  • Score: -5

10:40am Sun 23 Feb 14

miltonnroad76 says...

Saintsteve7 wrote:
allybendan wrote:
Nothing to be puzzled about - other teams have figured out how to play us & beat us. They know we play a sweet, neat passing game but have little "bite" close to goal. If they defend with discipline & vigor we are always vulnerable to long balls over the top & down the middle especially with our defence pushing up & playing high up the pitch. We have given away way to be many goals like that this season.
What I would like to have seen us do in this & a number of other matches when we led early, was to play deeper, more in our own half & let other teams chase goals to get back into games. We have shown real sharpness on fast breaks when defenses don't have the time to "reset" & I think we would be far more effective playing this type of game - not all the time- but when situations arise especially like at West Ham today when we were 1-0 up. We don't vary our game whether we are leading or losing & we are giving away far to many "easy" goals to be serious European contenders. 70% possession means nothing when you lose.
Jay Rod needs to work hard on his first touch. He's not turning half chances into chances due to poor ball control.
Luke Shaw needs to develop a right foot.
Maya Y is not good enough yet for this level.
Cork, Wanyama, Morgan, JWP need to spend many hours just shooting. Over & over again. Nobody can hit the ball in this team.
Love this team & just want to see us get better
supporter from Florida
If everybody has 'figured us out' then how the hell have we only lost 1 in 6 and only lost 7 times all season!?
I'm sorry but your talking out your a***! Anybody can sit down, watch a few DVDs and think they have worked us out! Do you think Big Fat Sam's master plan was to let us have 70% possession and 25 shots!? Get real!
9 times out of 10 you will lose!
Sometimes it just not your day and yesterday was another one of those. We dust ourselves down and we go again because we have an excellent group of hungry and ambitious young players.
Having watched Saints since the early 90's I can honestly say I'm loving this season more than any other, we are the envy of a lot of teams up and down the country and I'm not about to let a load of idiots, who obviously have no idea about football, ruin my thoughts on my team and the great season we're having. That is all!! Up the saints!
Great post
[quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allybendan[/bold] wrote: Nothing to be puzzled about - other teams have figured out how to play us & beat us. They know we play a sweet, neat passing game but have little "bite" close to goal. If they defend with discipline & vigor we are always vulnerable to long balls over the top & down the middle especially with our defence pushing up & playing high up the pitch. We have given away way to be many goals like that this season. What I would like to have seen us do in this & a number of other matches when we led early, was to play deeper, more in our own half & let other teams chase goals to get back into games. We have shown real sharpness on fast breaks when defenses don't have the time to "reset" & I think we would be far more effective playing this type of game - not all the time- but when situations arise especially like at West Ham today when we were 1-0 up. We don't vary our game whether we are leading or losing & we are giving away far to many "easy" goals to be serious European contenders. 70% possession means nothing when you lose. Jay Rod needs to work hard on his first touch. He's not turning half chances into chances due to poor ball control. Luke Shaw needs to develop a right foot. Maya Y is not good enough yet for this level. Cork, Wanyama, Morgan, JWP need to spend many hours just shooting. Over & over again. Nobody can hit the ball in this team. Love this team & just want to see us get better supporter from Florida[/p][/quote]If everybody has 'figured us out' then how the hell have we only lost 1 in 6 and only lost 7 times all season!? I'm sorry but your talking out your a***! Anybody can sit down, watch a few DVDs and think they have worked us out! Do you think Big Fat Sam's master plan was to let us have 70% possession and 25 shots!? Get real! 9 times out of 10 you will lose! Sometimes it just not your day and yesterday was another one of those. We dust ourselves down and we go again because we have an excellent group of hungry and ambitious young players. Having watched Saints since the early 90's I can honestly say I'm loving this season more than any other, we are the envy of a lot of teams up and down the country and I'm not about to let a load of idiots, who obviously have no idea about football, ruin my thoughts on my team and the great season we're having. That is all!! Up the saints![/p][/quote]Great post miltonnroad76
  • Score: 0

10:41am Sun 23 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

ctsaint wrote:
Very disappointed at the result yesterday, I watched the live stream and offer the following observations.....Our defending was poor, not just at centre back (Maya made two errors/omissions) but the full backs and defensive midfield unit allowed too many balls into the box too easily during the final 20 minutes of the first half. Once hoof took the lead they totally lacked ambition and put up a 9 man wall, before they scored a goal that was clearly offside , they looked the fragile team and were clueless. SRL looked jaded and off his game, that said he had a couple of headers that on another day might have gone in, JRod needs to improve on his first touch, and they all ( midfield and forwards) need to work on the killer pass and finish.

The second half had us back totally bossing the game, they scored from a break away , some good fortune and poor defending at a time when they hadn't touched the ball and looked content to sit deeper and deeper. A gut wrenching sucker punch.......

The game reminded me of the 2-3 reverse against Villa, it was that one sided.
At times we played some good football and opened them up only to lack the finish, this is something we need to work on throughout the team.

It's true we lack the cutting edge of a top top side, but then I think the sensible ones among us can see we are work in progress, and the side is very young and very talented.

Gaston played a blinder today when he came on, and he should start against Pool on the form and freshness he showed, he and Lalla should have scored from great chances .....he has the guile and his presence opens up the space for Lalla as marking the two of them becomes far more challenging for defenders, Gaston also has great vision, touch and movement that is very evident and hopefully will develop as he too is a youngster.

For our club it's about holding this squad together as they mature, and perhaps adding some hand picked players to fill in the gaps. A reserve keeper, centre back and forward , not in any order and not unless they fit the age and aptitude profiling we do , that was clearly ignored in the Osvaldo signing.

I can see why as a fan, one would be disssapointed with the result, but to call MOPO and seemingly the entire squad and project into question shows that you are either 12 years old, a SKUNT or a WUM, possibly a combo of all three.

The hoof has a team full of players at or past their peak , assuming peak is reached at 27-29 , who are on form and have been fighting for their lives, they will turn over and frustrate a few more sides this season with their style of play.

I would bring Lovren back for the Pool game , whilst I won't be hyper critical of Maya and Fonte as they have done well in his absence, they do not give us the dominance he exudes in the box as a pair.

Gaston should perhaps be given a start, his appearance yesterday was top class and only lacked a goal , this is great to see as there were signs of this before his injury , and the fact he got it going straight away six weeks later is great news.

The fact is our squad is fully fit, we should end the season with more points than we have ever achieved in a premiership season, and with a following wind match/beat our previous best.

Whilst we all want more , we need to be balanced, there truly has been some horse sh!te written on these threads the past24 hours!

Up the saints 2-0 against the scousers with. Danny Wallace scoring a brilliant overhead kick!
Well said, CTS. It's long, but I agree with every word.

Nearly everything about Saints yesterday impressed me. Alas, our shooting didn't. We passed well, only lost the ball as a result of being hurried into a pass because of Spam's constant 'over zealous' challenges and are now starting to move the ball faster into the opposing box. Time and again, we sliced through Spam's midfield and defence (Gaston and Adam were particularly brilliant). Alas, unlike at Cardiff and Fulham, the end product let us down. As for Spam's goals, to an extent, our defence made mistakes which made it easy for them. However, the biggest factors were: 1) the hoof! With a cross wind, it wasn't easy to deal with those high balls - I thought we'd accidently found ourselves at Twickenham.
2) the rebounds! Twice the ball dropped kindly in our box and twice Spam scored, and
3) credit where it's due, 3 clinical finishes that we didn't match.

I imagine Cardiff and Fulham fans made similar comments when we were more clinical against them. It happens but it's still turning out to be a really good season.
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed at the result yesterday, I watched the live stream and offer the following observations.....Our defending was poor, not just at centre back (Maya made two errors/omissions) but the full backs and defensive midfield unit allowed too many balls into the box too easily during the final 20 minutes of the first half. Once hoof took the lead they totally lacked ambition and put up a 9 man wall, before they scored a goal that was clearly offside , they looked the fragile team and were clueless. SRL looked jaded and off his game, that said he had a couple of headers that on another day might have gone in, JRod needs to improve on his first touch, and they all ( midfield and forwards) need to work on the killer pass and finish. The second half had us back totally bossing the game, they scored from a break away , some good fortune and poor defending at a time when they hadn't touched the ball and looked content to sit deeper and deeper. A gut wrenching sucker punch....... The game reminded me of the 2-3 reverse against Villa, it was that one sided. At times we played some good football and opened them up only to lack the finish, this is something we need to work on throughout the team. It's true we lack the cutting edge of a top top side, but then I think the sensible ones among us can see we are work in progress, and the side is very young and very talented. Gaston played a blinder today when he came on, and he should start against Pool on the form and freshness he showed, he and Lalla should have scored from great chances .....he has the guile and his presence opens up the space for Lalla as marking the two of them becomes far more challenging for defenders, Gaston also has great vision, touch and movement that is very evident and hopefully will develop as he too is a youngster. For our club it's about holding this squad together as they mature, and perhaps adding some hand picked players to fill in the gaps. A reserve keeper, centre back and forward , not in any order and not unless they fit the age and aptitude profiling we do , that was clearly ignored in the Osvaldo signing. I can see why as a fan, one would be disssapointed with the result, but to call MOPO and seemingly the entire squad and project into question shows that you are either 12 years old, a SKUNT or a WUM, possibly a combo of all three. The hoof has a team full of players at or past their peak , assuming peak is reached at 27-29 , who are on form and have been fighting for their lives, they will turn over and frustrate a few more sides this season with their style of play. I would bring Lovren back for the Pool game , whilst I won't be hyper critical of Maya and Fonte as they have done well in his absence, they do not give us the dominance he exudes in the box as a pair. Gaston should perhaps be given a start, his appearance yesterday was top class and only lacked a goal , this is great to see as there were signs of this before his injury , and the fact he got it going straight away six weeks later is great news. The fact is our squad is fully fit, we should end the season with more points than we have ever achieved in a premiership season, and with a following wind match/beat our previous best. Whilst we all want more , we need to be balanced, there truly has been some horse sh!te written on these threads the past24 hours! Up the saints 2-0 against the scousers with. Danny Wallace scoring a brilliant overhead kick![/p][/quote]Well said, CTS. It's long, but I agree with every word. Nearly everything about Saints yesterday impressed me. Alas, our shooting didn't. We passed well, only lost the ball as a result of being hurried into a pass because of Spam's constant 'over zealous' challenges and are now starting to move the ball faster into the opposing box. Time and again, we sliced through Spam's midfield and defence (Gaston and Adam were particularly brilliant). Alas, unlike at Cardiff and Fulham, the end product let us down. As for Spam's goals, to an extent, our defence made mistakes which made it easy for them. However, the biggest factors were: 1) the hoof! With a cross wind, it wasn't easy to deal with those high balls - I thought we'd accidently found ourselves at Twickenham. 2) the rebounds! Twice the ball dropped kindly in our box and twice Spam scored, and 3) credit where it's due, 3 clinical finishes that we didn't match. I imagine Cardiff and Fulham fans made similar comments when we were more clinical against them. It happens but it's still turning out to be a really good season. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

10:45am Sun 23 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

Foundry Lane School wrote:
No plan B.
Is Poch good enough for the Premiership?
Yes.
[quote][p][bold]Foundry Lane School[/bold] wrote: No plan B. Is Poch good enough for the Premiership?[/p][/quote]Yes. Rising_Son
  • Score: 3

10:53am Sun 23 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

miltonnroad76 wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
allybendan wrote:
Nothing to be puzzled about - other teams have figured out how to play us & beat us. They know we play a sweet, neat passing game but have little "bite" close to goal. If they defend with discipline & vigor we are always vulnerable to long balls over the top & down the middle especially with our defence pushing up & playing high up the pitch. We have given away way to be many goals like that this season.
What I would like to have seen us do in this & a number of other matches when we led early, was to play deeper, more in our own half & let other teams chase goals to get back into games. We have shown real sharpness on fast breaks when defenses don't have the time to "reset" & I think we would be far more effective playing this type of game - not all the time- but when situations arise especially like at West Ham today when we were 1-0 up. We don't vary our game whether we are leading or losing & we are giving away far to many "easy" goals to be serious European contenders. 70% possession means nothing when you lose.
Jay Rod needs to work hard on his first touch. He's not turning half chances into chances due to poor ball control.
Luke Shaw needs to develop a right foot.
Maya Y is not good enough yet for this level.
Cork, Wanyama, Morgan, JWP need to spend many hours just shooting. Over & over again. Nobody can hit the ball in this team.
Love this team & just want to see us get better
supporter from Florida
If everybody has 'figured us out' then how the hell have we only lost 1 in 6 and only lost 7 times all season!?
I'm sorry but your talking out your a***! Anybody can sit down, watch a few DVDs and think they have worked us out! Do you think Big Fat Sam's master plan was to let us have 70% possession and 25 shots!? Get real!
9 times out of 10 you will lose!
Sometimes it just not your day and yesterday was another one of those. We dust ourselves down and we go again because we have an excellent group of hungry and ambitious young players.
Having watched Saints since the early 90's I can honestly say I'm loving this season more than any other, we are the envy of a lot of teams up and down the country and I'm not about to let a load of idiots, who obviously have no idea about football, ruin my thoughts on my team and the great season we're having. That is all!! Up the saints!
Great post
You beat me to it. In general, I think Steve7 is right. Had we got our fair share of decisions (some hope!) and had we taken the chances we created (as we did at Fulham and Cardiff), anyone suggesting that other teams have figured out how to play us & beat us would be laughed at.

That said, I think Ally makes several valid points concerning certain players and how they need to work on certain parts of their game. We've seen how players such as Adam and Jose have improved, so I'm sure the coaches are working on Luke's right foot, Jay's control and shooting and the midfield's goal count. We can all see the areas that need improving (through player development and new signings) but we're moving in the right direction.
[quote][p][bold]miltonnroad76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allybendan[/bold] wrote: Nothing to be puzzled about - other teams have figured out how to play us & beat us. They know we play a sweet, neat passing game but have little "bite" close to goal. If they defend with discipline & vigor we are always vulnerable to long balls over the top & down the middle especially with our defence pushing up & playing high up the pitch. We have given away way to be many goals like that this season. What I would like to have seen us do in this & a number of other matches when we led early, was to play deeper, more in our own half & let other teams chase goals to get back into games. We have shown real sharpness on fast breaks when defenses don't have the time to "reset" & I think we would be far more effective playing this type of game - not all the time- but when situations arise especially like at West Ham today when we were 1-0 up. We don't vary our game whether we are leading or losing & we are giving away far to many "easy" goals to be serious European contenders. 70% possession means nothing when you lose. Jay Rod needs to work hard on his first touch. He's not turning half chances into chances due to poor ball control. Luke Shaw needs to develop a right foot. Maya Y is not good enough yet for this level. Cork, Wanyama, Morgan, JWP need to spend many hours just shooting. Over & over again. Nobody can hit the ball in this team. Love this team & just want to see us get better supporter from Florida[/p][/quote]If everybody has 'figured us out' then how the hell have we only lost 1 in 6 and only lost 7 times all season!? I'm sorry but your talking out your a***! Anybody can sit down, watch a few DVDs and think they have worked us out! Do you think Big Fat Sam's master plan was to let us have 70% possession and 25 shots!? Get real! 9 times out of 10 you will lose! Sometimes it just not your day and yesterday was another one of those. We dust ourselves down and we go again because we have an excellent group of hungry and ambitious young players. Having watched Saints since the early 90's I can honestly say I'm loving this season more than any other, we are the envy of a lot of teams up and down the country and I'm not about to let a load of idiots, who obviously have no idea about football, ruin my thoughts on my team and the great season we're having. That is all!! Up the saints![/p][/quote]Great post[/p][/quote]You beat me to it. In general, I think Steve7 is right. Had we got our fair share of decisions (some hope!) and had we taken the chances we created (as we did at Fulham and Cardiff), anyone suggesting that other teams have figured out how to play us & beat us would be laughed at. That said, I think Ally makes several valid points concerning certain players and how they need to work on certain parts of their game. We've seen how players such as Adam and Jose have improved, so I'm sure the coaches are working on Luke's right foot, Jay's control and shooting and the midfield's goal count. We can all see the areas that need improving (through player development and new signings) but we're moving in the right direction. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

10:55am Sun 23 Feb 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

We usually struggle to breakdown these types of teams. But yesterday we scored early and that brought them on to us which is what we wanted. The game turned on a referee giving a goal that was clearly offside. Once again Cretinburk has stuffed us. That's nine games with him now without a win. In any other walk of life with this amount of money at stake the writs would be flying.

Highlight of the day Brick Lane - £10 for 2 pints, poppadoms, chutneys. starter, main, rice and nan. Lowlight SWT.
We usually struggle to breakdown these types of teams. But yesterday we scored early and that brought them on to us which is what we wanted. The game turned on a referee giving a goal that was clearly offside. Once again Cretinburk has stuffed us. That's nine games with him now without a win. In any other walk of life with this amount of money at stake the writs would be flying. Highlight of the day Brick Lane - £10 for 2 pints, poppadoms, chutneys. starter, main, rice and nan. Lowlight SWT. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -1

11:07am Sun 23 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
We usually struggle to breakdown these types of teams. But yesterday we scored early and that brought them on to us which is what we wanted. The game turned on a referee giving a goal that was clearly offside. Once again Cretinburk has stuffed us. That's nine games with him now without a win. In any other walk of life with this amount of money at stake the writs would be flying.

Highlight of the day Brick Lane - £10 for 2 pints, poppadoms, chutneys. starter, main, rice and nan. Lowlight SWT.
SWT heads should roll, Seed. Surely they assess the impact of events and cheap fares on the take up. Imagine if Saints vs Manure on the last day of the season happened to be a straight fight for fourth or fifth and SFC decided it wouldn't be all ticket, the FA, police, city council and fans would be down the board members' throats. What made things worse is that, having stuffed up with carrige numbers heading into town, there was clearly no effort put into increasing carriage numbers for the evening returns. We were lucky, we sat on the floor in first class both ways. Some of the vestibules were crammed. Still, watching the egg chasers and Chelsea fans failing to get on - first at Farnborough and, in the evening, at Clapham Jtn. - made up for it a little.

Brick Lane? Naaaaah! It's a tourist trap. We found a decent place not far from Stratford and the 3 of us (young Strassies and I) paid £40 for a proper Indian.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: We usually struggle to breakdown these types of teams. But yesterday we scored early and that brought them on to us which is what we wanted. The game turned on a referee giving a goal that was clearly offside. Once again Cretinburk has stuffed us. That's nine games with him now without a win. In any other walk of life with this amount of money at stake the writs would be flying. Highlight of the day Brick Lane - £10 for 2 pints, poppadoms, chutneys. starter, main, rice and nan. Lowlight SWT.[/p][/quote]SWT heads should roll, Seed. Surely they assess the impact of events and cheap fares on the take up. Imagine if Saints vs Manure on the last day of the season happened to be a straight fight for fourth or fifth and SFC decided it wouldn't be all ticket, the FA, police, city council and fans would be down the board members' throats. What made things worse is that, having stuffed up with carrige numbers heading into town, there was clearly no effort put into increasing carriage numbers for the evening returns. We were lucky, we sat on the floor in first class both ways. Some of the vestibules were crammed. Still, watching the egg chasers and Chelsea fans failing to get on - first at Farnborough and, in the evening, at Clapham Jtn. - made up for it a little. Brick Lane? Naaaaah! It's a tourist trap. We found a decent place not far from Stratford and the 3 of us (young Strassies and I) paid £40 for a proper Indian. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: -1

11:14am Sun 23 Feb 14

Redflag14 says...

Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
[quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX. Redflag14
  • Score: 0

11:20am Sun 23 Feb 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
We usually struggle to breakdown these types of teams. But yesterday we scored early and that brought them on to us which is what we wanted. The game turned on a referee giving a goal that was clearly offside. Once again Cretinburk has stuffed us. That's nine games with him now without a win. In any other walk of life with this amount of money at stake the writs would be flying.

Highlight of the day Brick Lane - £10 for 2 pints, poppadoms, chutneys. starter, main, rice and nan. Lowlight SWT.
SWT heads should roll, Seed. Surely they assess the impact of events and cheap fares on the take up. Imagine if Saints vs Manure on the last day of the season happened to be a straight fight for fourth or fifth and SFC decided it wouldn't be all ticket, the FA, police, city council and fans would be down the board members' throats. What made things worse is that, having stuffed up with carrige numbers heading into town, there was clearly no effort put into increasing carriage numbers for the evening returns. We were lucky, we sat on the floor in first class both ways. Some of the vestibules were crammed. Still, watching the egg chasers and Chelsea fans failing to get on - first at Farnborough and, in the evening, at Clapham Jtn. - made up for it a little.

Brick Lane? Naaaaah! It's a tourist trap. We found a decent place not far from Stratford and the 3 of us (young Strassies and I) paid £40 for a proper Indian.
Awful. The guard apologised and said it was down to half term, £10 special, Twickenham and Saints. All of those were know about for many months so just p!ss poor planning. One lady fainted on the trip home.

Still say a full meal including two pints of Cobra for a tenner takes some beating! Down here the beer would be £8 alone.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: We usually struggle to breakdown these types of teams. But yesterday we scored early and that brought them on to us which is what we wanted. The game turned on a referee giving a goal that was clearly offside. Once again Cretinburk has stuffed us. That's nine games with him now without a win. In any other walk of life with this amount of money at stake the writs would be flying. Highlight of the day Brick Lane - £10 for 2 pints, poppadoms, chutneys. starter, main, rice and nan. Lowlight SWT.[/p][/quote]SWT heads should roll, Seed. Surely they assess the impact of events and cheap fares on the take up. Imagine if Saints vs Manure on the last day of the season happened to be a straight fight for fourth or fifth and SFC decided it wouldn't be all ticket, the FA, police, city council and fans would be down the board members' throats. What made things worse is that, having stuffed up with carrige numbers heading into town, there was clearly no effort put into increasing carriage numbers for the evening returns. We were lucky, we sat on the floor in first class both ways. Some of the vestibules were crammed. Still, watching the egg chasers and Chelsea fans failing to get on - first at Farnborough and, in the evening, at Clapham Jtn. - made up for it a little. Brick Lane? Naaaaah! It's a tourist trap. We found a decent place not far from Stratford and the 3 of us (young Strassies and I) paid £40 for a proper Indian.[/p][/quote]Awful. The guard apologised and said it was down to half term, £10 special, Twickenham and Saints. All of those were know about for many months so just p!ss poor planning. One lady fainted on the trip home. Still say a full meal including two pints of Cobra for a tenner takes some beating! Down here the beer would be £8 alone. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

11:41am Sun 23 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
The problem we face is that possession is being confused with being the best team…much of our possession is simply to deny the other team the ball, watch Barcelona and their entire possession which can amount to double our
passes (and we are good) in any one movement has only one purpose find the opening…

1) Our passing is not as quick as it needs to be in the last 3rd our midfield slow down…Cork and Schniedrland are terrific but fear of losing the ball stops too many of our counter attacks.
2) Adam, Gaston, Jay and for the first time ever SRL i.e. the entire attack force are NOT top class finishersnor even medium class finishers…..this has cost us probably 12 points
3) our defense without Lovren and Wanyama is a liability……top teams not only have a higher scoring conversion ratio but do not concede when they have so few chances made against them…the principle of total possession is to prevent the other team attacking as well as always looking to score….I doubt any team in the premiership has had so many goals scored against them from so few chances..poor defense at times has probably cost us another 9 points…

So what do we have: the least chances against us but the highest percentage of these converted….pervers

ly we create amongst the highest number of chances with the lowest conversion….to boasts one statistic against us would be alarming but both is a cause for concern.

I have moaned about the speed of attack all season but having a long hard think about it and being so pee'd off I could not even sleep I realize for us to seriously improve to close the chasm between us and a CL spot is not solved by just one area of improvement
interesting point and stats warrens, but have you any evidence or are they just your presumptions?
I only ask because the last stats I saw, couple of months old now though, show saints as 10th in the league on shots/goals scored.
also AB had the best shot to save ratio.
again they are a couple of months old so wont include the Fulham or arsenil games where our shot/goals ratio was quite good. it also wont include the chelski hoof game where chelski had 39 shots (only 9 on target!) without scoring which will push them back down that ratio table.
Cardiff away 17 shots (on and off) 3 goals or a goal every 5.6 shots, that's not bad is it? Cardiff had 9 shots for no goals. at Fulham we had a goal every 7.3 shots, against spuds we had 17 shots for 2 goals they had 16 shots for 2 goals (have taken the own goal off).
so I think our shot to goal ratio is not excellent but its not as bad as you suggest, same with the shots to goals conceded.
J-rod and Lalla not even medium class finishers? you`d better tell roy about that then because he is looking taking one if not both, maybe even SRL as well. J-rods the second highest scoring Englishman in the prem this season, not bad for a 3rd? rate striker is it.
as I said if you have the stats to prove what you have posted I am happy to be proven wrong.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: The problem we face is that possession is being confused with being the best team…much of our possession is simply to deny the other team the ball, watch Barcelona and their entire possession which can amount to double our passes (and we are good) in any one movement has only one purpose find the opening… 1) Our passing is not as quick as it needs to be in the last 3rd our midfield slow down…Cork and Schniedrland are terrific but fear of losing the ball stops too many of our counter attacks. 2) Adam, Gaston, Jay and for the first time ever SRL i.e. the entire attack force are NOT top class finishersnor even medium class finishers…..this has cost us probably 12 points 3) our defense without Lovren and Wanyama is a liability……top teams not only have a higher scoring conversion ratio but do not concede when they have so few chances made against them…the principle of total possession is to prevent the other team attacking as well as always looking to score….I doubt any team in the premiership has had so many goals scored against them from so few chances..poor defense at times has probably cost us another 9 points… So what do we have: the least chances against us but the highest percentage of these converted….pervers ly we create amongst the highest number of chances with the lowest conversion….to boasts one statistic against us would be alarming but both is a cause for concern. I have moaned about the speed of attack all season but having a long hard think about it and being so pee'd off I could not even sleep I realize for us to seriously improve to close the chasm between us and a CL spot is not solved by just one area of improvement[/p][/quote]interesting point and stats warrens, but have you any evidence or are they just your presumptions? I only ask because the last stats I saw, couple of months old now though, show saints as 10th in the league on shots/goals scored. also AB had the best shot to save ratio. again they are a couple of months old so wont include the Fulham or arsenil games where our shot/goals ratio was quite good. it also wont include the chelski hoof game where chelski had 39 shots (only 9 on target!) without scoring which will push them back down that ratio table. Cardiff away 17 shots (on and off) 3 goals or a goal every 5.6 shots, that's not bad is it? Cardiff had 9 shots for no goals. at Fulham we had a goal every 7.3 shots, against spuds we had 17 shots for 2 goals they had 16 shots for 2 goals (have taken the own goal off). so I think our shot to goal ratio is not excellent but its not as bad as you suggest, same with the shots to goals conceded. J-rod and Lalla not even medium class finishers? you`d better tell roy about that then because he is looking taking one if not both, maybe even SRL as well. J-rods the second highest scoring Englishman in the prem this season, not bad for a 3rd? rate striker is it. as I said if you have the stats to prove what you have posted I am happy to be proven wrong. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

11:43am Sun 23 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
We usually struggle to breakdown these types of teams. But yesterday we scored early and that brought them on to us which is what we wanted. The game turned on a referee giving a goal that was clearly offside. Once again Cretinburk has stuffed us. That's nine games with him now without a win. In any other walk of life with this amount of money at stake the writs would be flying.

Highlight of the day Brick Lane - £10 for 2 pints, poppadoms, chutneys. starter, main, rice and nan. Lowlight SWT.
SWT heads should roll, Seed. Surely they assess the impact of events and cheap fares on the take up. Imagine if Saints vs Manure on the last day of the season happened to be a straight fight for fourth or fifth and SFC decided it wouldn't be all ticket, the FA, police, city council and fans would be down the board members' throats. What made things worse is that, having stuffed up with carrige numbers heading into town, there was clearly no effort put into increasing carriage numbers for the evening returns. We were lucky, we sat on the floor in first class both ways. Some of the vestibules were crammed. Still, watching the egg chasers and Chelsea fans failing to get on - first at Farnborough and, in the evening, at Clapham Jtn. - made up for it a little.

Brick Lane? Naaaaah! It's a tourist trap. We found a decent place not far from Stratford and the 3 of us (young Strassies and I) paid £40 for a proper Indian.
Awful. The guard apologised and said it was down to half term, £10 special, Twickenham and Saints. All of those were know about for many months so just p!ss poor planning. One lady fainted on the trip home.

Still say a full meal including two pints of Cobra for a tenner takes some beating! Down here the beer would be £8 alone.
Yep! SWT put profit above customer satisfaction, safety and organisation, while our restos both seem to have considered customer satisfaction into their clear need to make a profit.

The difference being competition. There are plenty of Indian restos to choose from but only one logical train route from Hampshire to London.

As we left our resto, I made a similar comment about value and how the meal had been the best part of our day out. Mind you, I'm not sure I had value for money with the £5 pre-match Weatherspoons piri piri chicken and pint of Abbott deal. The salad and chips were awful :)
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: We usually struggle to breakdown these types of teams. But yesterday we scored early and that brought them on to us which is what we wanted. The game turned on a referee giving a goal that was clearly offside. Once again Cretinburk has stuffed us. That's nine games with him now without a win. In any other walk of life with this amount of money at stake the writs would be flying. Highlight of the day Brick Lane - £10 for 2 pints, poppadoms, chutneys. starter, main, rice and nan. Lowlight SWT.[/p][/quote]SWT heads should roll, Seed. Surely they assess the impact of events and cheap fares on the take up. Imagine if Saints vs Manure on the last day of the season happened to be a straight fight for fourth or fifth and SFC decided it wouldn't be all ticket, the FA, police, city council and fans would be down the board members' throats. What made things worse is that, having stuffed up with carrige numbers heading into town, there was clearly no effort put into increasing carriage numbers for the evening returns. We were lucky, we sat on the floor in first class both ways. Some of the vestibules were crammed. Still, watching the egg chasers and Chelsea fans failing to get on - first at Farnborough and, in the evening, at Clapham Jtn. - made up for it a little. Brick Lane? Naaaaah! It's a tourist trap. We found a decent place not far from Stratford and the 3 of us (young Strassies and I) paid £40 for a proper Indian.[/p][/quote]Awful. The guard apologised and said it was down to half term, £10 special, Twickenham and Saints. All of those were know about for many months so just p!ss poor planning. One lady fainted on the trip home. Still say a full meal including two pints of Cobra for a tenner takes some beating! Down here the beer would be £8 alone.[/p][/quote]Yep! SWT put profit above customer satisfaction, safety and organisation, while our restos both seem to have considered customer satisfaction into their clear need to make a profit. The difference being competition. There are plenty of Indian restos to choose from but only one logical train route from Hampshire to London. As we left our resto, I made a similar comment about value and how the meal had been the best part of our day out. Mind you, I'm not sure I had value for money with the £5 pre-match Weatherspoons piri piri chicken and pint of Abbott deal. The salad and chips were awful :) Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 2

11:44am Sun 23 Feb 14

Mush On The Beach says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
We usually struggle to breakdown these types of teams. But yesterday we scored early and that brought them on to us which is what we wanted. The game turned on a referee giving a goal that was clearly offside. Once again Cretinburk has stuffed us. That's nine games with him now without a win. In any other walk of life with this amount of money at stake the writs would be flying.

Highlight of the day Brick Lane - £10 for 2 pints, poppadoms, chutneys. starter, main, rice and nan. Lowlight SWT.
The lino got it wrong, as much as I’d love to agree with you I don’t think we can blame the ref for that decision or the result. We generally play great against passing teams and as you say struggle against the route 1 physical teams.
Is it the personnel or is it the system we play?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: We usually struggle to breakdown these types of teams. But yesterday we scored early and that brought them on to us which is what we wanted. The game turned on a referee giving a goal that was clearly offside. Once again Cretinburk has stuffed us. That's nine games with him now without a win. In any other walk of life with this amount of money at stake the writs would be flying. Highlight of the day Brick Lane - £10 for 2 pints, poppadoms, chutneys. starter, main, rice and nan. Lowlight SWT.[/p][/quote]The lino got it wrong, as much as I’d love to agree with you I don’t think we can blame the ref for that decision or the result. We generally play great against passing teams and as you say struggle against the route 1 physical teams. Is it the personnel or is it the system we play? Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 0

11:45am Sun 23 Feb 14

Mush On The Beach says...

Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
How are you doing OspreySaint? Looks like you are one of a few old faces reappearing under new names this weekend.
[quote][p][bold]Redflag14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.[/p][/quote]How are you doing OspreySaint? Looks like you are one of a few old faces reappearing under new names this weekend. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: -1

11:50am Sun 23 Feb 14

dadofmy3sons says...

pompey in spain wrote:
watched the game today with the saints costa del sol crew,they were all down at the final whistle,but when the pompey score came on!!.........they all sang me a nice song............sorr

y!...did i say nice? i sometimes think i provide a public service over here...
thanks for doing that for the Saints lads out there.
It is good to be able to find a niche in life.
[quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: watched the game today with the saints costa del sol crew,they were all down at the final whistle,but when the pompey score came on!!.........they all sang me a nice song............sorr y!...did i say nice? i sometimes think i provide a public service over here...[/p][/quote]thanks for doing that for the Saints lads out there. It is good to be able to find a niche in life. dadofmy3sons
  • Score: 1

11:58am Sun 23 Feb 14

saintlysoul says...

Having seen MOTD and Goals on Sunday it is clear that Shaw again at fault for the first goal and ball watching (along with others) for the third. England left back? Really? What is different in the team at this point of the season compared to the first few games? Pretty obvious to me - no Wanyama, no Clyne, no JWP and no Lovren. Will MP change things for the Liverpool game? Of course he won't. I'm afraid having started so well MP is now clearly out of his depth. It's a shame but probably symptomatic of a man who doesn't want to be there anymore!
Having seen MOTD and Goals on Sunday it is clear that Shaw again at fault for the first goal and ball watching (along with others) for the third. England left back? Really? What is different in the team at this point of the season compared to the first few games? Pretty obvious to me - no Wanyama, no Clyne, no JWP and no Lovren. Will MP change things for the Liverpool game? Of course he won't. I'm afraid having started so well MP is now clearly out of his depth. It's a shame but probably symptomatic of a man who doesn't want to be there anymore! saintlysoul
  • Score: -5

11:59am Sun 23 Feb 14

dadofmy3sons says...

We need to buy some strikers?
Only five teams have scored more than us, it is true, check it out.
We need to buy some defenders?
Only five teams have had less scored against them, it is true, check it out.
If we increase our ratio of goals to chances converted we would be in a very healthy position, maybe even 6th or 7th or 8th or . . . whatever .
Saints did try to buy a world class stirker who had international pedigree, it didn't work out. I bet we try again in the close season.
Chelski have enormous amounts of money to spend and they are struggling to get a striker in to make the most of all the chances they create, sound familiar?
Luck is needed to progress and yesterday we didn't get any.

Support the Saints.
We need to buy some strikers? Only five teams have scored more than us, it is true, check it out. We need to buy some defenders? Only five teams have had less scored against them, it is true, check it out. If we increase our ratio of goals to chances converted we would be in a very healthy position, maybe even 6th or 7th or 8th or . . . whatever . Saints did try to buy a world class stirker who had international pedigree, it didn't work out. I bet we try again in the close season. Chelski have enormous amounts of money to spend and they are struggling to get a striker in to make the most of all the chances they create, sound familiar? Luck is needed to progress and yesterday we didn't get any. Support the Saints. dadofmy3sons
  • Score: 10

12:01pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Btw, I notice that, regarding France2016, Luke, Nat, Callum, James, Jack, Adam, Jay, Harrison, Sam (maybe), Omar ........ etc ....... have been drawn against:
San Marino, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia, Switzerland

That should provide a nice little warm up for their 2016-17 Champions League defence :)
Btw, I notice that, regarding France2016, Luke, Nat, Callum, James, Jack, Adam, Jay, Harrison, Sam (maybe), Omar ........ etc ....... have been drawn against: San Marino, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia, Switzerland That should provide a nice little warm up for their 2016-17 Champions League defence :) Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

12:14pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Having seen MOTD and Goals on Sunday it is clear that Shaw again at fault for the first goal and ball watching (along with others) for the third. England left back? Really? What is different in the team at this point of the season compared to the first few games? Pretty obvious to me - no Wanyama, no Clyne, no JWP and no Lovren. Will MP change things for the Liverpool game? Of course he won't. I'm afraid having started so well MP is now clearly out of his depth. It's a shame but probably symptomatic of a man who doesn't want to be there anymore!
You gave yourself away, '.... a man who doesn't want to be THERE anymore.' Even those of us who live a long way from SMS would probably have written 'HERE' in that sentence.

I think you'll find that the lino was at fault for the first.

Of course Lovren will be back in the starting eleven as soon as he's ready.

Clyne or Chambers? Tough call.
Wanyama or Cork? Tough call.
JWP or Davis? I really hope JWP fulfils his great potential. Alas, so far this season, Davis has merited his place ahead of him.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: Having seen MOTD and Goals on Sunday it is clear that Shaw again at fault for the first goal and ball watching (along with others) for the third. England left back? Really? What is different in the team at this point of the season compared to the first few games? Pretty obvious to me - no Wanyama, no Clyne, no JWP and no Lovren. Will MP change things for the Liverpool game? Of course he won't. I'm afraid having started so well MP is now clearly out of his depth. It's a shame but probably symptomatic of a man who doesn't want to be there anymore![/p][/quote]You gave yourself away, '.... a man who doesn't want to be THERE anymore.' Even those of us who live a long way from SMS would probably have written 'HERE' in that sentence. I think you'll find that the lino was at fault for the first. Of course Lovren will be back in the starting eleven as soon as he's ready. Clyne or Chambers? Tough call. Wanyama or Cork? Tough call. JWP or Davis? I really hope JWP fulfils his great potential. Alas, so far this season, Davis has merited his place ahead of him. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 2

12:15pm Sun 23 Feb 14

dadofmy3sons says...

Newcastle,Swansea,As
ton Villa, Stoke City,West Bromwich Albion,Norwich City, Sunderland + Fulham.
All of theabove clubs have been in the Premiership longer than us.
All of them are below us and all of them have poorer defence and attack.
All have a worse goal diff and quite a few of them have lost some incredible games to ridiculous scores .
Saints are sitting boringly in mid table and we have nothing to worry or b!tch about so some posters make up problems to have some thing to write about.
Manna from heaven for the DE who thrive on negativity about our club.
Some posters said prior to the game that WHU are one of the teams that we struggle against and we did.
Yes we need a plan B, but if that plan B is to lower our standards to hoof then I will take our chances of just having a good game and maybe, just maybe, succeeding.
Newcastle,Swansea,As ton Villa, Stoke City,West Bromwich Albion,Norwich City, Sunderland + Fulham. All of theabove clubs have been in the Premiership longer than us. All of them are below us and all of them have poorer defence and attack. All have a worse goal diff and quite a few of them have lost some incredible games to ridiculous scores . Saints are sitting boringly in mid table and we have nothing to worry or b!tch about so some posters make up problems to have some thing to write about. Manna from heaven for the DE who thrive on negativity about our club. Some posters said prior to the game that WHU are one of the teams that we struggle against and we did. Yes we need a plan B, but if that plan B is to lower our standards to hoof then I will take our chances of just having a good game and maybe, just maybe, succeeding. dadofmy3sons
  • Score: 4

12:21pm Sun 23 Feb 14

saintlysoul says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
saintlysoul wrote:
Having seen MOTD and Goals on Sunday it is clear that Shaw again at fault for the first goal and ball watching (along with others) for the third. England left back? Really? What is different in the team at this point of the season compared to the first few games? Pretty obvious to me - no Wanyama, no Clyne, no JWP and no Lovren. Will MP change things for the Liverpool game? Of course he won't. I'm afraid having started so well MP is now clearly out of his depth. It's a shame but probably symptomatic of a man who doesn't want to be there anymore!
You gave yourself away, '.... a man who doesn't want to be THERE anymore.' Even those of us who live a long way from SMS would probably have written 'HERE' in that sentence.

I think you'll find that the lino was at fault for the first.

Of course Lovren will be back in the starting eleven as soon as he's ready.

Clyne or Chambers? Tough call.
Wanyama or Cork? Tough call.
JWP or Davis? I really hope JWP fulfils his great potential. Alas, so far this season, Davis has merited his place ahead of him.
'There' referred to the seat of management not city!
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: Having seen MOTD and Goals on Sunday it is clear that Shaw again at fault for the first goal and ball watching (along with others) for the third. England left back? Really? What is different in the team at this point of the season compared to the first few games? Pretty obvious to me - no Wanyama, no Clyne, no JWP and no Lovren. Will MP change things for the Liverpool game? Of course he won't. I'm afraid having started so well MP is now clearly out of his depth. It's a shame but probably symptomatic of a man who doesn't want to be there anymore![/p][/quote]You gave yourself away, '.... a man who doesn't want to be THERE anymore.' Even those of us who live a long way from SMS would probably have written 'HERE' in that sentence. I think you'll find that the lino was at fault for the first. Of course Lovren will be back in the starting eleven as soon as he's ready. Clyne or Chambers? Tough call. Wanyama or Cork? Tough call. JWP or Davis? I really hope JWP fulfils his great potential. Alas, so far this season, Davis has merited his place ahead of him.[/p][/quote]'There' referred to the seat of management not city! saintlysoul
  • Score: -1

12:27pm Sun 23 Feb 14

saintlysoul says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
saintlysoul wrote:
Having seen MOTD and Goals on Sunday it is clear that Shaw again at fault for the first goal and ball watching (along with others) for the third. England left back? Really? What is different in the team at this point of the season compared to the first few games? Pretty obvious to me - no Wanyama, no Clyne, no JWP and no Lovren. Will MP change things for the Liverpool game? Of course he won't. I'm afraid having started so well MP is now clearly out of his depth. It's a shame but probably symptomatic of a man who doesn't want to be there anymore!
You gave yourself away, '.... a man who doesn't want to be THERE anymore.' Even those of us who live a long way from SMS would probably have written 'HERE' in that sentence.

I think you'll find that the lino was at fault for the first.

Of course Lovren will be back in the starting eleven as soon as he's ready.

Clyne or Chambers? Tough call.
Wanyama or Cork? Tough call.
JWP or Davis? I really hope JWP fulfils his great potential. Alas, so far this season, Davis has merited his place ahead of him.
Note your comments about those members of the team. Interesting what you say about Davis. Davis has remained in the team ahead of JWP albeit JWP has consistently been played out of position on either the right or left wing. He's not a winger he's a central midfielder. On that basis it seems unfair to suggest that Davis has 'merited' his place ahead of JWP. Up until 2 games ago JWP was top in the statistics in the EPL of completed crosses. It seems (at least to me) bizarre that he is constantly on the bench. Is it because of his age? Is it because of his ability? Is it because MP doesn't rate him? Even when he started in the FA cup against Sunderland JWP is played out of position. Personally I consider him way ahead of both Davis and Cork. That's just my opinion. I still maintain however that it is more than coincidental that the team has not performed so well absent Clyne, Wanyama, JWP and Lovren!
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: Having seen MOTD and Goals on Sunday it is clear that Shaw again at fault for the first goal and ball watching (along with others) for the third. England left back? Really? What is different in the team at this point of the season compared to the first few games? Pretty obvious to me - no Wanyama, no Clyne, no JWP and no Lovren. Will MP change things for the Liverpool game? Of course he won't. I'm afraid having started so well MP is now clearly out of his depth. It's a shame but probably symptomatic of a man who doesn't want to be there anymore![/p][/quote]You gave yourself away, '.... a man who doesn't want to be THERE anymore.' Even those of us who live a long way from SMS would probably have written 'HERE' in that sentence. I think you'll find that the lino was at fault for the first. Of course Lovren will be back in the starting eleven as soon as he's ready. Clyne or Chambers? Tough call. Wanyama or Cork? Tough call. JWP or Davis? I really hope JWP fulfils his great potential. Alas, so far this season, Davis has merited his place ahead of him.[/p][/quote]Note your comments about those members of the team. Interesting what you say about Davis. Davis has remained in the team ahead of JWP albeit JWP has consistently been played out of position on either the right or left wing. He's not a winger he's a central midfielder. On that basis it seems unfair to suggest that Davis has 'merited' his place ahead of JWP. Up until 2 games ago JWP was top in the statistics in the EPL of completed crosses. It seems (at least to me) bizarre that he is constantly on the bench. Is it because of his age? Is it because of his ability? Is it because MP doesn't rate him? Even when he started in the FA cup against Sunderland JWP is played out of position. Personally I consider him way ahead of both Davis and Cork. That's just my opinion. I still maintain however that it is more than coincidental that the team has not performed so well absent Clyne, Wanyama, JWP and Lovren! saintlysoul
  • Score: 0

12:31pm Sun 23 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else!
suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?.
suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really?
suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting?
slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well?
and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision!
the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines?
to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years.
finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.
[quote][p][bold]Redflag14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.[/p][/quote]the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else! suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?. suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really? suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting? slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well? and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision! the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines? to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years. finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

1:01pm Sun 23 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Btw, I notice that, regarding France2016, Luke, Nat, Callum, James, Jack, Adam, Jay, Harrison, Sam (maybe), Omar ........ etc ....... have been drawn against:
San Marino, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia, Switzerland

That should provide a nice little warm up for their 2016-17 Champions League defence :)
I was watching this and for some strange reason they kept saying `England` instead of Southampton.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Btw, I notice that, regarding France2016, Luke, Nat, Callum, James, Jack, Adam, Jay, Harrison, Sam (maybe), Omar ........ etc ....... have been drawn against: San Marino, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia, Switzerland That should provide a nice little warm up for their 2016-17 Champions League defence :)[/p][/quote]I was watching this and for some strange reason they kept saying `England` instead of Southampton. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 1

1:17pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Poole Tom says...

As disappointing as the last two results have been, the fact remains that that the team have made excellent progress to break into the top half of the Premier League in just our second season back in the top flight. However if the likes of Swansea and WBA are anything to go by the really difficult bit will be repeating this level of performance in the coming seasons, let alone improving enough to qualify for either the Europa or Champions League`s. However with sound investment, continued development of our young players and astute management from MoPo I am optimistic that it can be done. On-wards and upwards!
As disappointing as the last two results have been, the fact remains that that the team have made excellent progress to break into the top half of the Premier League in just our second season back in the top flight. However if the likes of Swansea and WBA are anything to go by the really difficult bit will be repeating this level of performance in the coming seasons, let alone improving enough to qualify for either the Europa or Champions League`s. However with sound investment, continued development of our young players and astute management from MoPo I am optimistic that it can be done. On-wards and upwards! Poole Tom
  • Score: 1

1:28pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Btw, I notice that, regarding France2016, Luke, Nat, Callum, James, Jack, Adam, Jay, Harrison, Sam (maybe), Omar ........ etc ....... have been drawn against:
San Marino, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia, Switzerland

That should provide a nice little warm up for their 2016-17 Champions League defence :)
I was watching this and for some strange reason they kept saying `England` instead of Southampton.
Usual BBC bias :)

Still, it should be something not even England can mess up, so Summer 2016 should be a fun time to be a Saints fan in France. It's just a pity that Strasbourg missed out as a host city for similar reasons that Southampton would have done had the England WC2018 bid been successful.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Btw, I notice that, regarding France2016, Luke, Nat, Callum, James, Jack, Adam, Jay, Harrison, Sam (maybe), Omar ........ etc ....... have been drawn against: San Marino, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia, Switzerland That should provide a nice little warm up for their 2016-17 Champions League defence :)[/p][/quote]I was watching this and for some strange reason they kept saying `England` instead of Southampton.[/p][/quote]Usual BBC bias :) Still, it should be something not even England can mess up, so Summer 2016 should be a fun time to be a Saints fan in France. It's just a pity that Strasbourg missed out as a host city for similar reasons that Southampton would have done had the England WC2018 bid been successful. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

1:30pm Sun 23 Feb 14

st1halo says...

I realise that everyone is entitled to an opinion but some of these comments are beyond ridiculous in my view. Poch out of his depth? Clearout in the summer? This player ahead of that one? and all this because we lost a game. Jeez!
We are a squad, not a team now. Sometimes Vic instead of Jack, sometimes James instead of Steve. Our system of play doesn't change because it works, not every time, no system does, (even Barcelona lost yesterday) but unarguably most of the time because we are 8th!!
There are things that need to improve but they are improving! There is still much to learn but the general performances of Davis, Yoshida, Fonte,Adam,Vic, Gaston have been rising slowly. If Poch has been found out, name the manager you would like to replace him cos I can't think of one who is even close.
Our improvement as a club continues, regardless of yesterday's result, infact I can only think of one club whose rise is comparable to ours.. Man City. As we get closer to the top, it will be harder, the progress will be slower, but the story of SFC in recent times is truly amazing. It is highly disrespectful to dismiss it due to some adverse results. Get some perspective.

STID
I realise that everyone is entitled to an opinion but some of these comments are beyond ridiculous in my view. Poch out of his depth? Clearout in the summer? This player ahead of that one? and all this because we lost a game. Jeez! We are a squad, not a team now. Sometimes Vic instead of Jack, sometimes James instead of Steve. Our system of play doesn't change because it works, not every time, no system does, (even Barcelona lost yesterday) but unarguably most of the time because we are 8th!! There are things that need to improve but they are improving! There is still much to learn but the general performances of Davis, Yoshida, Fonte,Adam,Vic, Gaston have been rising slowly. If Poch has been found out, name the manager you would like to replace him cos I can't think of one who is even close. Our improvement as a club continues, regardless of yesterday's result, infact I can only think of one club whose rise is comparable to ours.. Man City. As we get closer to the top, it will be harder, the progress will be slower, but the story of SFC in recent times is truly amazing. It is highly disrespectful to dismiss it due to some adverse results. Get some perspective. STID st1halo
  • Score: 9

2:42pm Sun 23 Feb 14

st bevois says...

st1halo wrote:
I realise that everyone is entitled to an opinion but some of these comments are beyond ridiculous in my view. Poch out of his depth? Clearout in the summer? This player ahead of that one? and all this because we lost a game. Jeez!
We are a squad, not a team now. Sometimes Vic instead of Jack, sometimes James instead of Steve. Our system of play doesn't change because it works, not every time, no system does, (even Barcelona lost yesterday) but unarguably most of the time because we are 8th!!
There are things that need to improve but they are improving! There is still much to learn but the general performances of Davis, Yoshida, Fonte,Adam,Vic, Gaston have been rising slowly. If Poch has been found out, name the manager you would like to replace him cos I can't think of one who is even close.
Our improvement as a club continues, regardless of yesterday's result, infact I can only think of one club whose rise is comparable to ours.. Man City. As we get closer to the top, it will be harder, the progress will be slower, but the story of SFC in recent times is truly amazing. It is highly disrespectful to dismiss it due to some adverse results. Get some perspective.

STID
Quite true st1halo and others - its all been said on here after a negative result - nothing wrong with tactics, we didn't struggle to break them down as most of us thought likely - we broke them down more than they broke through our defence, just didn't take the chances and they did No one was moaning about subs where I was - we all thought that the goal would come, we were well on top right from the start of the second half. The manager sacrificed a midfielder to go for a result (a few moans about Corky but any of the three could have been taken off). No one was complaining about the line-up - especially after last week. At the end he gave two of the youngsters a run out, but we had had enough chances before those changes to change the score-line. We can't change the squad - the transfer window is done. Personally I think we missed a trick there with all the shenanigans that were going on with Osvaldo and NC situations - but if you stand still with what you have in this League, you tend to get overtaken or caught at some stage - most look to strengthen and improve on a regular basis. Poch seemed to nod in that direction with his comments before the Hull game. I certainly don't agree with the mass clear out comments, more like gradual change and improvement. FFS Shaw is what - 18/19 - just out of the Academy and in his second season, just like several of the others in the squad, what do you expect? an instant Beckenbauer? - oh and some want to spend the equivalent of clearing the Pompey debt - perhaps you think the owner is at the wrong club lol. We can all play fantasy football and I don't control the purse strings, but players like Ince and Long were within our budget and the sort that were coveted by the teams below us and seemed to fit the type of players we are best at signing and improving further. Also - like Chelsea do, take the players way from the other clubs so that they don't get them, but we don't think like that as a club at the moment and probably aren't willing to spend money like that. But hey ho that is done. Most of us if we are honest can see how far we have come and how tantalisingly close we are to breaking into that top 8, just frustrated by the "might have beens". Last year it was a case of "if only......we would have been out of the bottom six.....!!!". Now its a case of "if only..........we could be top 6!!!!! "Those 8 clubs above us consider themselves the big boys rightly or wrongly, but even Everton and Spurs struggle in this League and have had bad seasons in the bottom half. No one has a devine right to be there. Everton are having their own blip with 3 losses in 4 league games. City are only there because of the cash injections on a Chelsea scale. Our owner isn't like that and has never behaved like that in business and to be fair doesn't have the same spending power as other billionaires. I am quite happy to accept that for where we are now even for frustrating days like yesterday.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: I realise that everyone is entitled to an opinion but some of these comments are beyond ridiculous in my view. Poch out of his depth? Clearout in the summer? This player ahead of that one? and all this because we lost a game. Jeez! We are a squad, not a team now. Sometimes Vic instead of Jack, sometimes James instead of Steve. Our system of play doesn't change because it works, not every time, no system does, (even Barcelona lost yesterday) but unarguably most of the time because we are 8th!! There are things that need to improve but they are improving! There is still much to learn but the general performances of Davis, Yoshida, Fonte,Adam,Vic, Gaston have been rising slowly. If Poch has been found out, name the manager you would like to replace him cos I can't think of one who is even close. Our improvement as a club continues, regardless of yesterday's result, infact I can only think of one club whose rise is comparable to ours.. Man City. As we get closer to the top, it will be harder, the progress will be slower, but the story of SFC in recent times is truly amazing. It is highly disrespectful to dismiss it due to some adverse results. Get some perspective. STID[/p][/quote]Quite true st1halo and others - its all been said on here after a negative result - nothing wrong with tactics, we didn't struggle to break them down as most of us thought likely - we broke them down more than they broke through our defence, just didn't take the chances and they did No one was moaning about subs where I was - we all thought that the goal would come, we were well on top right from the start of the second half. The manager sacrificed a midfielder to go for a result (a few moans about Corky but any of the three could have been taken off). No one was complaining about the line-up - especially after last week. At the end he gave two of the youngsters a run out, but we had had enough chances before those changes to change the score-line. We can't change the squad - the transfer window is done. Personally I think we missed a trick there with all the shenanigans that were going on with Osvaldo and NC situations - but if you stand still with what you have in this League, you tend to get overtaken or caught at some stage - most look to strengthen and improve on a regular basis. Poch seemed to nod in that direction with his comments before the Hull game. I certainly don't agree with the mass clear out comments, more like gradual change and improvement. FFS Shaw is what - 18/19 - just out of the Academy and in his second season, just like several of the others in the squad, what do you expect? an instant Beckenbauer? - oh and some want to spend the equivalent of clearing the Pompey debt - perhaps you think the owner is at the wrong club lol. We can all play fantasy football and I don't control the purse strings, but players like Ince and Long were within our budget and the sort that were coveted by the teams below us and seemed to fit the type of players we are best at signing and improving further. Also - like Chelsea do, take the players way from the other clubs so that they don't get them, but we don't think like that as a club at the moment and probably aren't willing to spend money like that. But hey ho that is done. Most of us if we are honest can see how far we have come and how tantalisingly close we are to breaking into that top 8, just frustrated by the "might have beens". Last year it was a case of "if only......we would have been out of the bottom six.....!!!". Now its a case of "if only..........we could be top 6!!!!! "Those 8 clubs above us consider themselves the big boys rightly or wrongly, but even Everton and Spurs struggle in this League and have had bad seasons in the bottom half. No one has a devine right to be there. Everton are having their own blip with 3 losses in 4 league games. City are only there because of the cash injections on a Chelsea scale. Our owner isn't like that and has never behaved like that in business and to be fair doesn't have the same spending power as other billionaires. I am quite happy to accept that for where we are now even for frustrating days like yesterday. st bevois
  • Score: 3

2:51pm Sun 23 Feb 14

right back in the bar says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else!
suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?.
suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really?
suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting?
slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well?
and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision!
the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines?
to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years.
finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.
Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redflag14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.[/p][/quote]the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else! suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?. suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really? suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting? slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well? and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision! the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines? to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years. finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.[/p][/quote]Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen. right back in the bar
  • Score: 5

2:54pm Sun 23 Feb 14

allybendan says...

Saintsteve7 wrote:
allybendan wrote:
Nothing to be puzzled about - other teams have figured out how to play us & beat us. They know we play a sweet, neat passing game but have little "bite" close to goal. If they defend with discipline & vigor we are always vulnerable to long balls over the top & down the middle especially with our defence pushing up & playing high up the pitch. We have given away way to be many goals like that this season.
What I would like to have seen us do in this & a number of other matches when we led early, was to play deeper, more in our own half & let other teams chase goals to get back into games. We have shown real sharpness on fast breaks when defenses don't have the time to "reset" & I think we would be far more effective playing this type of game - not all the time- but when situations arise especially like at West Ham today when we were 1-0 up. We don't vary our game whether we are leading or losing & we are giving away far to many "easy" goals to be serious European contenders. 70% possession means nothing when you lose.
Jay Rod needs to work hard on his first touch. He's not turning half chances into chances due to poor ball control.
Luke Shaw needs to develop a right foot.
Maya Y is not good enough yet for this level.
Cork, Wanyama, Morgan, JWP need to spend many hours just shooting. Over & over again. Nobody can hit the ball in this team.
Love this team & just want to see us get better
supporter from Florida
If everybody has 'figured us out' then how the hell have we only lost 1 in 6 and only lost 7 times all season!?
I'm sorry but your talking out your a***! Anybody can sit down, watch a few DVDs and think they have worked us out! Do you think Big Fat Sam's master plan was to let us have 70% possession and 25 shots!? Get real!
9 times out of 10 you will lose!
Sometimes it just not your day and yesterday was another one of those. We dust ourselves down and we go again because we have an excellent group of hungry and ambitious young players.
Having watched Saints since the early 90's I can honestly say I'm loving this season more than any other, we are the envy of a lot of teams up and down the country and I'm not about to let a load of idiots, who obviously have no idea about football, ruin my thoughts on my team and the great season we're having. That is all!! Up the saints!
You miss the point completely and no need to be rude.
As a manager you have to understand why you win just as much as why you lose. We play beautiful ball but we are not Barcelona (yet). The most expensive player on our team cost 12 million and we have done exceptionally well on the money spent. I believe my main point is still valid -we scored a beautiful worked goal early & then continued to play with a high defensive line. We got caught out doing this- not for the first time this season & let West Ham right back in to a game they should have been chasing, If we had played deeper leaving less space behind our back 4 we probably would have gone into the half 1-0 up & then scored a second on the break as West Ham pushed players forward & come out of the game with a 2 zip win instead of a 3-1 loss. You have to be real - as much as you love your team - winning away games at relegation threatened teams without your best defender at a venue you lost 4-1 the previous season, demanded a subtle change in tactics from Poch - just my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allybendan[/bold] wrote: Nothing to be puzzled about - other teams have figured out how to play us & beat us. They know we play a sweet, neat passing game but have little "bite" close to goal. If they defend with discipline & vigor we are always vulnerable to long balls over the top & down the middle especially with our defence pushing up & playing high up the pitch. We have given away way to be many goals like that this season. What I would like to have seen us do in this & a number of other matches when we led early, was to play deeper, more in our own half & let other teams chase goals to get back into games. We have shown real sharpness on fast breaks when defenses don't have the time to "reset" & I think we would be far more effective playing this type of game - not all the time- but when situations arise especially like at West Ham today when we were 1-0 up. We don't vary our game whether we are leading or losing & we are giving away far to many "easy" goals to be serious European contenders. 70% possession means nothing when you lose. Jay Rod needs to work hard on his first touch. He's not turning half chances into chances due to poor ball control. Luke Shaw needs to develop a right foot. Maya Y is not good enough yet for this level. Cork, Wanyama, Morgan, JWP need to spend many hours just shooting. Over & over again. Nobody can hit the ball in this team. Love this team & just want to see us get better supporter from Florida[/p][/quote]If everybody has 'figured us out' then how the hell have we only lost 1 in 6 and only lost 7 times all season!? I'm sorry but your talking out your a***! Anybody can sit down, watch a few DVDs and think they have worked us out! Do you think Big Fat Sam's master plan was to let us have 70% possession and 25 shots!? Get real! 9 times out of 10 you will lose! Sometimes it just not your day and yesterday was another one of those. We dust ourselves down and we go again because we have an excellent group of hungry and ambitious young players. Having watched Saints since the early 90's I can honestly say I'm loving this season more than any other, we are the envy of a lot of teams up and down the country and I'm not about to let a load of idiots, who obviously have no idea about football, ruin my thoughts on my team and the great season we're having. That is all!! Up the saints![/p][/quote]You miss the point completely and no need to be rude. As a manager you have to understand why you win just as much as why you lose. We play beautiful ball but we are not Barcelona (yet). The most expensive player on our team cost 12 million and we have done exceptionally well on the money spent. I believe my main point is still valid -we scored a beautiful worked goal early & then continued to play with a high defensive line. We got caught out doing this- not for the first time this season & let West Ham right back in to a game they should have been chasing, If we had played deeper leaving less space behind our back 4 we probably would have gone into the half 1-0 up & then scored a second on the break as West Ham pushed players forward & come out of the game with a 2 zip win instead of a 3-1 loss. You have to be real - as much as you love your team - winning away games at relegation threatened teams without your best defender at a venue you lost 4-1 the previous season, demanded a subtle change in tactics from Poch - just my opinion. allybendan
  • Score: 0

3:22pm Sun 23 Feb 14

FindAndDestroy says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Can I ask where were you at the beginning of the season?when we were 3rd?
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Can I ask where were you at the beginning of the season?when we were 3rd? FindAndDestroy
  • Score: 4

3:29pm Sun 23 Feb 14

FindAndDestroy says...

Thecampster wrote:
“I thought overall we were quite unlucky with the refereeing decisions and that we didn’t score more goals.”


Sign a decent goalscorer then.

You had money to spend, and what did we get, Wanyama.
Wanyama, the boy did not even play, he is struggling with his injuries, the last time he played before his injury we were 3rd.....

if you go as far as blaming someone who didn't play.... you have a problem..
[quote][p][bold]Thecampster[/bold] wrote: “I thought overall we were quite unlucky with the refereeing decisions and that we didn’t score more goals.” Sign a decent goalscorer then. You had money to spend, and what did we get, Wanyama.[/p][/quote]Wanyama, the boy did not even play, he is struggling with his injuries, the last time he played before his injury we were 3rd..... if you go as far as blaming someone who didn't play.... you have a problem.. FindAndDestroy
  • Score: 4

3:34pm Sun 23 Feb 14

FindAndDestroy says...

At the game we had a banner prepared saying " Mark Hamburger get off SAINTS back"

But they wouldn't let us put it up....for some stupid health and safety reason...
At the game we had a banner prepared saying " Mark Hamburger get off SAINTS back" But they wouldn't let us put it up....for some stupid health and safety reason... FindAndDestroy
  • Score: 3

3:35pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

FindAndDestroy wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Can I ask where were you at the beginning of the season?when we were 3rd?
Fratton Park?

Just a stab in the dark!
[quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Can I ask where were you at the beginning of the season?when we were 3rd?[/p][/quote]Fratton Park? Just a stab in the dark! Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 4

3:44pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

FindAndDestroy wrote:
At the game we had a banner prepared saying " Mark Hamburger get off SAINTS back"

But they wouldn't let us put it up....for some stupid health and safety reason...
They told you it was for health and safety reasons because everyone falls for it. Health and safety regulations aren't as daft as people seem to believe. You were conned.
[quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: At the game we had a banner prepared saying " Mark Hamburger get off SAINTS back" But they wouldn't let us put it up....for some stupid health and safety reason...[/p][/quote]They told you it was for health and safety reasons because everyone falls for it. Health and safety regulations aren't as daft as people seem to believe. You were conned. Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

4:01pm Sun 23 Feb 14

FindAndDestroy says...

the last game we lost people were blaming the team selection..now some are questioning the mental and physical toughness...

We have a relatively young squad, we can have the mental and physical toughness... but if we don't take our chances and score goals nothing will change...

The goal we scored came from a defender...

I don't know whether the skills of a clinical finisher are natural or can it be taught ? if so MoPo needs to find a way to teach his players how to become clinical finishers.

You cant just try to kick the ball and hope it will go in...
the last game we lost people were blaming the team selection..now some are questioning the mental and physical toughness... We have a relatively young squad, we can have the mental and physical toughness... but if we don't take our chances and score goals nothing will change... The goal we scored came from a defender... I don't know whether the skills of a clinical finisher are natural or can it be taught ? if so MoPo needs to find a way to teach his players how to become clinical finishers. You cant just try to kick the ball and hope it will go in... FindAndDestroy
  • Score: 5

4:05pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Rising_Son wrote:
FindAndDestroy wrote:
At the game we had a banner prepared saying " Mark Hamburger get off SAINTS back"

But they wouldn't let us put it up....for some stupid health and safety reason...
They told you it was for health and safety reasons because everyone falls for it. Health and safety regulations aren't as daft as people seem to believe. You were conned.
I think it was due to a complaint from the burger van outside who thought you were advertising a new range of fast food. Pity, because, from 20 yards away, I don't think Clutts would have seen it. :)
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: At the game we had a banner prepared saying " Mark Hamburger get off SAINTS back" But they wouldn't let us put it up....for some stupid health and safety reason...[/p][/quote]They told you it was for health and safety reasons because everyone falls for it. Health and safety regulations aren't as daft as people seem to believe. You were conned.[/p][/quote]I think it was due to a complaint from the burger van outside who thought you were advertising a new range of fast food. Pity, because, from 20 yards away, I don't think Clutts would have seen it. :) Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 0

4:08pm Sun 23 Feb 14

FindAndDestroy says...

Rising_Son wrote:
FindAndDestroy wrote:
At the game we had a banner prepared saying " Mark Hamburger get off SAINTS back"

But they wouldn't let us put it up....for some stupid health and safety reason...
They told you it was for health and safety reasons because everyone falls for it. Health and safety regulations aren't as daft as people seem to believe. You were conned.
well It was a very very very large banner i must say , we wanted to make sure the whole world would see, but the stewards had other ideas....
as if they knew that saints fans would come out with something...whether they got some instructions from the FA, I don't know.....
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: At the game we had a banner prepared saying " Mark Hamburger get off SAINTS back" But they wouldn't let us put it up....for some stupid health and safety reason...[/p][/quote]They told you it was for health and safety reasons because everyone falls for it. Health and safety regulations aren't as daft as people seem to believe. You were conned.[/p][/quote]well It was a very very very large banner i must say , we wanted to make sure the whole world would see, but the stewards had other ideas.... as if they knew that saints fans would come out with something...whether they got some instructions from the FA, I don't know..... FindAndDestroy
  • Score: 3

4:19pm Sun 23 Feb 14

mickey01 says...

you reap what you sow poch you have put the dont care mind set into the players after last saturday and it will carry on for the rest of the season as they have nothing to play for now except being in the shop window of the big clubs
you reap what you sow poch you have put the dont care mind set into the players after last saturday and it will carry on for the rest of the season as they have nothing to play for now except being in the shop window of the big clubs mickey01
  • Score: -5

4:19pm Sun 23 Feb 14

FindAndDestroy says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
FindAndDestroy wrote:
At the game we had a banner prepared saying " Mark Hamburger get off SAINTS back"

But they wouldn't let us put it up....for some stupid health and safety reason...
They told you it was for health and safety reasons because everyone falls for it. Health and safety regulations aren't as daft as people seem to believe. You were conned.
I think it was due to a complaint from the burger van outside who thought you were advertising a new range of fast food. Pity, because, from 20 yards away, I don't think Clutts would have seen it. :)
The Officials always have screens in their stuff rooms, as long as it is picked up by the camera, at the break they have a chance to see what's going on around the stadium....so one way or another he would of seen it or at least be told...
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: At the game we had a banner prepared saying " Mark Hamburger get off SAINTS back" But they wouldn't let us put it up....for some stupid health and safety reason...[/p][/quote]They told you it was for health and safety reasons because everyone falls for it. Health and safety regulations aren't as daft as people seem to believe. You were conned.[/p][/quote]I think it was due to a complaint from the burger van outside who thought you were advertising a new range of fast food. Pity, because, from 20 yards away, I don't think Clutts would have seen it. :)[/p][/quote]The Officials always have screens in their stuff rooms, as long as it is picked up by the camera, at the break they have a chance to see what's going on around the stadium....so one way or another he would of seen it or at least be told... FindAndDestroy
  • Score: 3

4:22pm Sun 23 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else!
suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?.
suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really?
suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting?
slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well?
and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision!
the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines?
to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years.
finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.
Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.
if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened!

I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss!
if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right!
as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct?
I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it.
oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redflag14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.[/p][/quote]the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else! suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?. suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really? suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting? slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well? and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision! the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines? to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years. finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.[/p][/quote]Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.[/p][/quote]if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened! I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss! if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right! as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct? I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it. oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either. el caballo santos101
  • Score: -2

4:35pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Rising_Son says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else!
suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?.
suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really?
suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting?
slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well?
and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision!
the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines?
to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years.
finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.
Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.
if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened!

I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss!
if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right!
as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct?
I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it.
oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.
It's very sad that there are so many people who feel they have the right to disagree with others but others do not have the right to disagree with them.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redflag14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.[/p][/quote]the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else! suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?. suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really? suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting? slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well? and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision! the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines? to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years. finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.[/p][/quote]Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.[/p][/quote]if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened! I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss! if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right! as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct? I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it. oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.[/p][/quote]It's very sad that there are so many people who feel they have the right to disagree with others but others do not have the right to disagree with them. Rising_Son
  • Score: -3

5:34pm Sun 23 Feb 14

warrens 76 says...

Posters fall into different categories, reading through these it is easy to see inflamed opinions causing friction when all of us but wum's are really after the same thing..

For myself I want us to be as good as possible, mistakes and failings (good as we are) prevent this, many posters are pointing out evident weakness's that unfairly have them portrayed as disloyal or unfair…professiona
ls are paid a lot of 'our' money not to make them.

Then the anything against the Saints is disloyal group, admire the commitment but it will not win us any prizes.

Then the abusive…unnecessar
y.

Neatly moving on to the wums.

Portsmuff can be ignored.

The high posting rate this weekend is down to the fact that in the space of one week we have pretty much lost anything meaningful to play for and we ALL know it.

...yesterday I was truly livid watching indeed the fact I blöödy knew it was coming was no comfort whatsoever and I bet a lot of others feel the same.
Posters fall into different categories, reading through these it is easy to see inflamed opinions causing friction when all of us but wum's are really after the same thing.. For myself I want us to be as good as possible, mistakes and failings (good as we are) prevent this, many posters are pointing out evident weakness's that unfairly have them portrayed as disloyal or unfair…professiona ls are paid a lot of 'our' money not to make them. Then the anything against the Saints is disloyal group, admire the commitment but it will not win us any prizes. Then the abusive…unnecessar y. Neatly moving on to the wums. Portsmuff can be ignored. The high posting rate this weekend is down to the fact that in the space of one week we have pretty much lost anything meaningful to play for and we ALL know it. ...yesterday I was truly livid watching indeed the fact I blöödy knew it was coming was no comfort whatsoever and I bet a lot of others feel the same. warrens 76
  • Score: 1

6:31pm Sun 23 Feb 14

right back in the bar says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else!
suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?.
suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really?
suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting?
slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well?
and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision!
the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines?
to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years.
finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.
Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.
if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened!

I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss!
if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right!
as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct?
I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it.
oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.
If you think all is well and good with the quality of performance mate that's your view. From my perspective a few less passes, more running at defenders, and some time on the training ground practising finishing would be good. Losing to Sunderland and WHU is a team going nowhere in this division.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redflag14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.[/p][/quote]the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else! suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?. suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really? suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting? slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well? and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision! the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines? to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years. finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.[/p][/quote]Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.[/p][/quote]if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened! I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss! if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right! as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct? I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it. oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.[/p][/quote]If you think all is well and good with the quality of performance mate that's your view. From my perspective a few less passes, more running at defenders, and some time on the training ground practising finishing would be good. Losing to Sunderland and WHU is a team going nowhere in this division. right back in the bar
  • Score: 4

6:35pm Sun 23 Feb 14

saintbobby says...

Unto_the_breach wrote:
I'm am quite simply astounded by comments appearing on here. We lost a game we could have won due to out lack if finishing but to write things like "no progress" is shocking. We are in a second season in the prem comfortably sitting mid-table above established teams like: Stoke, villa, Fulham, Sunderland and West Brom. We started last sarson under a British manager conceding goals at an unbelievable rate, with results reflecting actual relegation form. We brought in a new exciting young manager who kept us up and revolutionised out style of football. Had today's result been different we would have broken our all time away record. All this while bringing through teenagers and English players. If that isn't progress than I would like you to present me with a better example of a team to achieve so much in 18 months.

If you think west ham is a better example then go watch their style of football and enjoy Noble and co playing ugly just to stay up. I for one will be behind tah lads and Pochettino week in week out beating Liverpool away or losing to villa at home.
Excellent. My views 100%. Too many expect far too much. We are, it is fair to say, absolutely safe in the Premier League for next season and our objective has to be safe again at the end of next season.

So long as we keep up the progress of recent years and the management/owners stay with us, then the rewards will eventually come.

Not a club in the land has a better Youth Academy than we do and this will provide us with the necessary class - AS LONG AS WE DO NOT SELL THEM!

Come back Theo, Ox and Gareth - dream on, Bob!
[quote][p][bold]Unto_the_breach[/bold] wrote: I'm am quite simply astounded by comments appearing on here. We lost a game we could have won due to out lack if finishing but to write things like "no progress" is shocking. We are in a second season in the prem comfortably sitting mid-table above established teams like: Stoke, villa, Fulham, Sunderland and West Brom. We started last sarson under a British manager conceding goals at an unbelievable rate, with results reflecting actual relegation form. We brought in a new exciting young manager who kept us up and revolutionised out style of football. Had today's result been different we would have broken our all time away record. All this while bringing through teenagers and English players. If that isn't progress than I would like you to present me with a better example of a team to achieve so much in 18 months. If you think west ham is a better example then go watch their style of football and enjoy Noble and co playing ugly just to stay up. I for one will be behind tah lads and Pochettino week in week out beating Liverpool away or losing to villa at home.[/p][/quote]Excellent. My views 100%. Too many expect far too much. We are, it is fair to say, absolutely safe in the Premier League for next season and our objective has to be safe again at the end of next season. So long as we keep up the progress of recent years and the management/owners stay with us, then the rewards will eventually come. Not a club in the land has a better Youth Academy than we do and this will provide us with the necessary class - AS LONG AS WE DO NOT SELL THEM! Come back Theo, Ox and Gareth - dream on, Bob! saintbobby
  • Score: 2

6:49pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else!
suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?.
suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really?
suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting?
slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well?
and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision!
the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines?
to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years.
finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.
Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.
if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened!

I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss!
if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right!
as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct?
I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it.
oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.
If you think all is well and good with the quality of performance mate that's your view. From my perspective a few less passes, more running at defenders, and some time on the training ground practising finishing would be good. Losing to Sunderland and WHU is a team going nowhere in this division.
What a totally ridiculous last statement....every team in this league loses once in a while when they are expected to win. Go ask a Liverpool supporter!

We are heading for a top ten finish...yet another year's improvement. Go take a chill pill and come back and moan when our season against season form slips.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redflag14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.[/p][/quote]the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else! suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?. suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really? suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting? slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well? and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision! the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines? to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years. finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.[/p][/quote]Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.[/p][/quote]if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened! I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss! if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right! as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct? I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it. oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.[/p][/quote]If you think all is well and good with the quality of performance mate that's your view. From my perspective a few less passes, more running at defenders, and some time on the training ground practising finishing would be good. Losing to Sunderland and WHU is a team going nowhere in this division.[/p][/quote]What a totally ridiculous last statement....every team in this league loses once in a while when they are expected to win. Go ask a Liverpool supporter! We are heading for a top ten finish...yet another year's improvement. Go take a chill pill and come back and moan when our season against season form slips. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 1

7:10pm Sun 23 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else!
suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?.
suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really?
suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting?
slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well?
and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision!
the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines?
to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years.
finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.
Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.
if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened!

I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss!
if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right!
as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct?
I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it.
oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.
If you think all is well and good with the quality of performance mate that's your view. From my perspective a few less passes, more running at defenders, and some time on the training ground practising finishing would be good. Losing to Sunderland and WHU is a team going nowhere in this division.
MP trains and wants the players to play a particular style, if you don't like it that's your choice. however that's your choice I happen to like the way we play, and the fact that we are getting plaudits from almost every pundit, forget larwo and merson, shows we must be doing ok. MP believes that if you keep the ball you have a better than average chance of winning, the old adage that the oppos cant score if they haven't got the ball springs to mind. as for `all is well and good with the quality of the performance` well no of course not, we lost. all teams lose though, spuds today at Norwich. we however dominated the game and were unlucky to get a dreadful offside decision against us which turned the game. we battered hoof but couldn't convert our chances, on another day we would have. does that mean we have suddenly become a bad team? no, but we cannot compete with the top 4/6 teams on transfer fees and wages. we have done wonders to get where we are in the league and a applaud that, but its MP`s style tactics and team selections that have got us there. the same tactics you don't like. we spent a lot of money in the summer and for most of our dip in form all three of the players we brought in were out. dani gone, Big Vic broke his leg and dejan did his ankle ligaments as did our previous record signing. so we had £47mill worth of players missing. other teams spend more than that on one striker. I suspect that future attacking players are being targeted and we will spend again in the summer, until then we have to go with what we`ve got. so yes I am happy with the way we play and our overall performance, just not always happy if we lose, but we`ve had a great season and we will finish higher in the league than most thought.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redflag14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.[/p][/quote]the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else! suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?. suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really? suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting? slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well? and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision! the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines? to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years. finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.[/p][/quote]Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.[/p][/quote]if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened! I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss! if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right! as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct? I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it. oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.[/p][/quote]If you think all is well and good with the quality of performance mate that's your view. From my perspective a few less passes, more running at defenders, and some time on the training ground practising finishing would be good. Losing to Sunderland and WHU is a team going nowhere in this division.[/p][/quote]MP trains and wants the players to play a particular style, if you don't like it that's your choice. however that's your choice I happen to like the way we play, and the fact that we are getting plaudits from almost every pundit, forget larwo and merson, shows we must be doing ok. MP believes that if you keep the ball you have a better than average chance of winning, the old adage that the oppos cant score if they haven't got the ball springs to mind. as for `all is well and good with the quality of the performance` well no of course not, we lost. all teams lose though, spuds today at Norwich. we however dominated the game and were unlucky to get a dreadful offside decision against us which turned the game. we battered hoof but couldn't convert our chances, on another day we would have. does that mean we have suddenly become a bad team? no, but we cannot compete with the top 4/6 teams on transfer fees and wages. we have done wonders to get where we are in the league and a applaud that, but its MP`s style tactics and team selections that have got us there. the same tactics you don't like. we spent a lot of money in the summer and for most of our dip in form all three of the players we brought in were out. dani gone, Big Vic broke his leg and dejan did his ankle ligaments as did our previous record signing. so we had £47mill worth of players missing. other teams spend more than that on one striker. I suspect that future attacking players are being targeted and we will spend again in the summer, until then we have to go with what we`ve got. so yes I am happy with the way we play and our overall performance, just not always happy if we lose, but we`ve had a great season and we will finish higher in the league than most thought. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 4

7:12pm Sun 23 Feb 14

The Straight Shooter says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else!
suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?.
suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really?
suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting?
slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well?
and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision!
the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines?
to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years.
finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.
Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.
if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened!

I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss!
if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right!
as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct?
I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it.
oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.
If you think all is well and good with the quality of performance mate that's your view. From my perspective a few less passes, more running at defenders, and some time on the training ground practising finishing would be good. Losing to Sunderland and WHU is a team going nowhere in this division.
What a totally ridiculous last statement....every team in this league loses once in a while when they are expected to win. Go ask a Liverpool supporter!

We are heading for a top ten finish...yet another year's improvement. Go take a chill pill and come back and moan when our season against season form slips.
Firstly how do you know we are going to finish in the top ten?
Secondly it doesn't look like we'll qualify for Europe which will be short of most of our expectations .Our record signing left us after only a few months, as well Nicola. Luke Shaw could be poached at anytime and there's always speculation surrounding Poch and other jobs.
Thirdly you shouldn't call another post ridiculous when you choose to use the term chill pill in one of yours. Glasshouses and all that.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redflag14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.[/p][/quote]the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else! suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?. suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really? suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting? slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well? and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision! the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines? to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years. finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.[/p][/quote]Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.[/p][/quote]if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened! I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss! if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right! as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct? I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it. oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.[/p][/quote]If you think all is well and good with the quality of performance mate that's your view. From my perspective a few less passes, more running at defenders, and some time on the training ground practising finishing would be good. Losing to Sunderland and WHU is a team going nowhere in this division.[/p][/quote]What a totally ridiculous last statement....every team in this league loses once in a while when they are expected to win. Go ask a Liverpool supporter! We are heading for a top ten finish...yet another year's improvement. Go take a chill pill and come back and moan when our season against season form slips.[/p][/quote]Firstly how do you know we are going to finish in the top ten? Secondly it doesn't look like we'll qualify for Europe which will be short of most of our expectations .Our record signing left us after only a few months, as well Nicola. Luke Shaw could be poached at anytime and there's always speculation surrounding Poch and other jobs. Thirdly you shouldn't call another post ridiculous when you choose to use the term chill pill in one of yours. Glasshouses and all that. The Straight Shooter
  • Score: 1

7:47pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

The Straight Shooter wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else!
suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?.
suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really?
suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting?
slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well?
and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision!
the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines?
to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years.
finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.
Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.
if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened!

I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss!
if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right!
as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct?
I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it.
oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.
If you think all is well and good with the quality of performance mate that's your view. From my perspective a few less passes, more running at defenders, and some time on the training ground practising finishing would be good. Losing to Sunderland and WHU is a team going nowhere in this division.
What a totally ridiculous last statement....every team in this league loses once in a while when they are expected to win. Go ask a Liverpool supporter!

We are heading for a top ten finish...yet another year's improvement. Go take a chill pill and come back and moan when our season against season form slips.
Firstly how do you know we are going to finish in the top ten?
Secondly it doesn't look like we'll qualify for Europe which will be short of most of our expectations .Our record signing left us after only a few months, as well Nicola. Luke Shaw could be poached at anytime and there's always speculation surrounding Poch and other jobs.
Thirdly you shouldn't call another post ridiculous when you choose to use the term chill pill in one of yours. Glasshouses and all that.
Read my post...I said we are heading for a top ten finish. I didn't say we were there yet. So we still have plenty to play for. The fact that you worry about players and managers leaving our Club suggests to me that you know little about our recent history. For once, we are actually managing to get the best out of our young talent rather than cashing in too early.

If you are actually a fan (where were you when we had such an amazing start to the season?)....get a grip and take that pill.

If not...get lost. Cheers!
[quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redflag14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.[/p][/quote]the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else! suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?. suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really? suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting? slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well? and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision! the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines? to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years. finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.[/p][/quote]Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.[/p][/quote]if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened! I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss! if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right! as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct? I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it. oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.[/p][/quote]If you think all is well and good with the quality of performance mate that's your view. From my perspective a few less passes, more running at defenders, and some time on the training ground practising finishing would be good. Losing to Sunderland and WHU is a team going nowhere in this division.[/p][/quote]What a totally ridiculous last statement....every team in this league loses once in a while when they are expected to win. Go ask a Liverpool supporter! We are heading for a top ten finish...yet another year's improvement. Go take a chill pill and come back and moan when our season against season form slips.[/p][/quote]Firstly how do you know we are going to finish in the top ten? Secondly it doesn't look like we'll qualify for Europe which will be short of most of our expectations .Our record signing left us after only a few months, as well Nicola. Luke Shaw could be poached at anytime and there's always speculation surrounding Poch and other jobs. Thirdly you shouldn't call another post ridiculous when you choose to use the term chill pill in one of yours. Glasshouses and all that.[/p][/quote]Read my post...I said we are heading for a top ten finish. I didn't say we were there yet. So we still have plenty to play for. The fact that you worry about players and managers leaving our Club suggests to me that you know little about our recent history. For once, we are actually managing to get the best out of our young talent rather than cashing in too early. If you are actually a fan (where were you when we had such an amazing start to the season?)....get a grip and take that pill. If not...get lost. Cheers! Baddesley Bill
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8:14pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Velleity says...

I resisted. I really did. I swore to myself that I wouldn't come onto the Echo site.

I didn't get to the game yesterday and it would appear that we've only gone and somehow been relegated. I can see that by the comments; there's no way at all that we've just lost one in seven games. At least the season ticket will be cheaper next season now that we've gone down. It's not just Saints who (apparently) need physical andmental toughness: some of the so-called fans could do with a little as well.

Funny the posters who pop up after a loss.

Ah well, the Championship beckons...
I resisted. I really did. I swore to myself that I wouldn't come onto the Echo site. I didn't get to the game yesterday and it would appear that we've only gone and somehow been relegated. I can see that by the comments; there's no way at all that we've just lost one in seven games. At least the season ticket will be cheaper next season now that we've gone down. It's not just Saints who (apparently) need physical andmental toughness: some of the so-called fans could do with a little as well. Funny the posters who pop up after a loss. Ah well, the Championship beckons... Velleity
  • Score: 2

8:34pm Sun 23 Feb 14

The Straight Shooter says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
The Straight Shooter wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else!
suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?.
suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really?
suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting?
slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well?
and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision!
the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines?
to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years.
finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.
Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.
if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened!

I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss!
if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right!
as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct?
I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it.
oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.
If you think all is well and good with the quality of performance mate that's your view. From my perspective a few less passes, more running at defenders, and some time on the training ground practising finishing would be good. Losing to Sunderland and WHU is a team going nowhere in this division.
What a totally ridiculous last statement....every team in this league loses once in a while when they are expected to win. Go ask a Liverpool supporter!

We are heading for a top ten finish...yet another year's improvement. Go take a chill pill and come back and moan when our season against season form slips.
Firstly how do you know we are going to finish in the top ten?
Secondly it doesn't look like we'll qualify for Europe which will be short of most of our expectations .Our record signing left us after only a few months, as well Nicola. Luke Shaw could be poached at anytime and there's always speculation surrounding Poch and other jobs.
Thirdly you shouldn't call another post ridiculous when you choose to use the term chill pill in one of yours. Glasshouses and all that.
Read my post...I said we are heading for a top ten finish. I didn't say we were there yet. So we still have plenty to play for. The fact that you worry about players and managers leaving our Club suggests to me that you know little about our recent history. For once, we are actually managing to get the best out of our young talent rather than cashing in too early.

If you are actually a fan (where were you when we had such an amazing start to the season?)....get a grip and take that pill.

If not...get lost. Cheers!
Would that pill be the chill pill? Cool........man.
You ramble on about not cashing in on our young talent, you do understand that we have very little say in if they stay. In fact the only thing we can do is sell the club as going places and to do that we have to be in a European place, man. So while this season has been an improvement on last season, it may not be enough to keep our best players when the likes of Man U come knocking.
Chill out man and take a chill pill....booyakasha!
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redflag14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.[/p][/quote]the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else! suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?. suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really? suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting? slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well? and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision! the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines? to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years. finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.[/p][/quote]Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.[/p][/quote]if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened! I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss! if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right! as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct? I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it. oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.[/p][/quote]If you think all is well and good with the quality of performance mate that's your view. From my perspective a few less passes, more running at defenders, and some time on the training ground practising finishing would be good. Losing to Sunderland and WHU is a team going nowhere in this division.[/p][/quote]What a totally ridiculous last statement....every team in this league loses once in a while when they are expected to win. Go ask a Liverpool supporter! We are heading for a top ten finish...yet another year's improvement. Go take a chill pill and come back and moan when our season against season form slips.[/p][/quote]Firstly how do you know we are going to finish in the top ten? Secondly it doesn't look like we'll qualify for Europe which will be short of most of our expectations .Our record signing left us after only a few months, as well Nicola. Luke Shaw could be poached at anytime and there's always speculation surrounding Poch and other jobs. Thirdly you shouldn't call another post ridiculous when you choose to use the term chill pill in one of yours. Glasshouses and all that.[/p][/quote]Read my post...I said we are heading for a top ten finish. I didn't say we were there yet. So we still have plenty to play for. The fact that you worry about players and managers leaving our Club suggests to me that you know little about our recent history. For once, we are actually managing to get the best out of our young talent rather than cashing in too early. If you are actually a fan (where were you when we had such an amazing start to the season?)....get a grip and take that pill. If not...get lost. Cheers![/p][/quote]Would that pill be the chill pill? Cool........man. You ramble on about not cashing in on our young talent, you do understand that we have very little say in if they stay. In fact the only thing we can do is sell the club as going places and to do that we have to be in a European place, man. So while this season has been an improvement on last season, it may not be enough to keep our best players when the likes of Man U come knocking. Chill out man and take a chill pill....booyakasha! The Straight Shooter
  • Score: -6

8:48pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Saintsteve7 says...

allybendan wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
allybendan wrote:
Nothing to be puzzled about - other teams have figured out how to play us & beat us. They know we play a sweet, neat passing game but have little "bite" close to goal. If they defend with discipline & vigor we are always vulnerable to long balls over the top & down the middle especially with our defence pushing up & playing high up the pitch. We have given away way to be many goals like that this season.
What I would like to have seen us do in this & a number of other matches when we led early, was to play deeper, more in our own half & let other teams chase goals to get back into games. We have shown real sharpness on fast breaks when defenses don't have the time to "reset" & I think we would be far more effective playing this type of game - not all the time- but when situations arise especially like at West Ham today when we were 1-0 up. We don't vary our game whether we are leading or losing & we are giving away far to many "easy" goals to be serious European contenders. 70% possession means nothing when you lose.
Jay Rod needs to work hard on his first touch. He's not turning half chances into chances due to poor ball control.
Luke Shaw needs to develop a right foot.
Maya Y is not good enough yet for this level.
Cork, Wanyama, Morgan, JWP need to spend many hours just shooting. Over & over again. Nobody can hit the ball in this team.
Love this team & just want to see us get better
supporter from Florida
If everybody has 'figured us out' then how the hell have we only lost 1 in 6 and only lost 7 times all season!?
I'm sorry but your talking out your a***! Anybody can sit down, watch a few DVDs and think they have worked us out! Do you think Big Fat Sam's master plan was to let us have 70% possession and 25 shots!? Get real!
9 times out of 10 you will lose!
Sometimes it just not your day and yesterday was another one of those. We dust ourselves down and we go again because we have an excellent group of hungry and ambitious young players.
Having watched Saints since the early 90's I can honestly say I'm loving this season more than any other, we are the envy of a lot of teams up and down the country and I'm not about to let a load of idiots, who obviously have no idea about football, ruin my thoughts on my team and the great season we're having. That is all!! Up the saints!
You miss the point completely and no need to be rude.
As a manager you have to understand why you win just as much as why you lose. We play beautiful ball but we are not Barcelona (yet). The most expensive player on our team cost 12 million and we have done exceptionally well on the money spent. I believe my main point is still valid -we scored a beautiful worked goal early & then continued to play with a high defensive line. We got caught out doing this- not for the first time this season & let West Ham right back in to a game they should have been chasing, If we had played deeper leaving less space behind our back 4 we probably would have gone into the half 1-0 up & then scored a second on the break as West Ham pushed players forward & come out of the game with a 2 zip win instead of a 3-1 loss. You have to be real - as much as you love your team - winning away games at relegation threatened teams without your best defender at a venue you lost 4-1 the previous season, demanded a subtle change in tactics from Poch - just my opinion.
I'm sorry but your still talking out of your a***!
You not alone though, quite a few people on this thread are doing the same!
[quote][p][bold]allybendan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allybendan[/bold] wrote: Nothing to be puzzled about - other teams have figured out how to play us & beat us. They know we play a sweet, neat passing game but have little "bite" close to goal. If they defend with discipline & vigor we are always vulnerable to long balls over the top & down the middle especially with our defence pushing up & playing high up the pitch. We have given away way to be many goals like that this season. What I would like to have seen us do in this & a number of other matches when we led early, was to play deeper, more in our own half & let other teams chase goals to get back into games. We have shown real sharpness on fast breaks when defenses don't have the time to "reset" & I think we would be far more effective playing this type of game - not all the time- but when situations arise especially like at West Ham today when we were 1-0 up. We don't vary our game whether we are leading or losing & we are giving away far to many "easy" goals to be serious European contenders. 70% possession means nothing when you lose. Jay Rod needs to work hard on his first touch. He's not turning half chances into chances due to poor ball control. Luke Shaw needs to develop a right foot. Maya Y is not good enough yet for this level. Cork, Wanyama, Morgan, JWP need to spend many hours just shooting. Over & over again. Nobody can hit the ball in this team. Love this team & just want to see us get better supporter from Florida[/p][/quote]If everybody has 'figured us out' then how the hell have we only lost 1 in 6 and only lost 7 times all season!? I'm sorry but your talking out your a***! Anybody can sit down, watch a few DVDs and think they have worked us out! Do you think Big Fat Sam's master plan was to let us have 70% possession and 25 shots!? Get real! 9 times out of 10 you will lose! Sometimes it just not your day and yesterday was another one of those. We dust ourselves down and we go again because we have an excellent group of hungry and ambitious young players. Having watched Saints since the early 90's I can honestly say I'm loving this season more than any other, we are the envy of a lot of teams up and down the country and I'm not about to let a load of idiots, who obviously have no idea about football, ruin my thoughts on my team and the great season we're having. That is all!! Up the saints![/p][/quote]You miss the point completely and no need to be rude. As a manager you have to understand why you win just as much as why you lose. We play beautiful ball but we are not Barcelona (yet). The most expensive player on our team cost 12 million and we have done exceptionally well on the money spent. I believe my main point is still valid -we scored a beautiful worked goal early & then continued to play with a high defensive line. We got caught out doing this- not for the first time this season & let West Ham right back in to a game they should have been chasing, If we had played deeper leaving less space behind our back 4 we probably would have gone into the half 1-0 up & then scored a second on the break as West Ham pushed players forward & come out of the game with a 2 zip win instead of a 3-1 loss. You have to be real - as much as you love your team - winning away games at relegation threatened teams without your best defender at a venue you lost 4-1 the previous season, demanded a subtle change in tactics from Poch - just my opinion.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but your still talking out of your a***! You not alone though, quite a few people on this thread are doing the same! Saintsteve7
  • Score: 1

8:50pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Looks like we may have another wum on our hands. (They seem to have all come out of the woodwork this weekend strangely enough.)

Straight Shooter...I'm always chilled. Otherwise my 40yrs of following Saints would have resulted in a burst blood vessel by now.

If I am wrong..and you are a fan...be strong...and if you want to criticise...try some constructive criticism.

Anything less is just plain old whinging mate.
Looks like we may have another wum on our hands. (They seem to have all come out of the woodwork this weekend strangely enough.) Straight Shooter...I'm always chilled. Otherwise my 40yrs of following Saints would have resulted in a burst blood vessel by now. If I am wrong..and you are a fan...be strong...and if you want to criticise...try some constructive criticism. Anything less is just plain old whinging mate. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 3

9:03pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else!
suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?.
suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really?
suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting?
slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well?
and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision!
the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines?
to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years.
finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.
Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.
if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened!

I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss!
if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right!
as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct?
I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it.
oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.
You're more than a little bit overwrought, son. Just because someone called you out on your temper-tantrums on this forum. Now, it's readily apparent that you can't handle a contrary opinion or you wouldn't accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a wind-up merchant or fan of some other club (who knew Portsmouth had a club?). Now, Jarvis was a foot offside when that ball was released 30 or so feet away - go out to a football pitch and get your pal to hit a pass from 30 feet to your left whilst you're looking dead straight ahead focused on the defender/attacker in line in front of you. You can't have both spots as the focal point of your vision at the same time. That's why sometimes those calls don't get made or the offence gets screwed by the linesman because he doesn't want to be wrong in favour of the attacking side. Now, it's also human nature that more will comment on what's wrong than what's right. When it's right, we don't all feel a need to write. We can celebrate a well-played match without having to hero-worship online. For what it's worth, I think SFC has done a terrific job over the past five years of rebuilding and getting back to the Premier League. And, I'm not asking for them to spend at the pace of the big-boys. But, Poch is either out of his depth in England, or he is winding up the fans. I could have told the happy-clappers like you, well before the start of yesterday's match (like, maybe, two weeks ago) that Allardyce and Nolan would easily get the best of Poch and Lallana. But, your fragile ego doesn't want to know why that is. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and learn a thing or two about football instead of lobbing insults at new commenters because you don't want to read/hear what they have to say.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redflag14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.[/p][/quote]the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else! suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?. suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really? suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting? slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well? and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision! the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines? to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years. finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.[/p][/quote]Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.[/p][/quote]if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened! I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss! if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right! as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct? I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it. oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.[/p][/quote]You're more than a little bit overwrought, son. Just because someone called you out on your temper-tantrums on this forum. Now, it's readily apparent that you can't handle a contrary opinion or you wouldn't accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a wind-up merchant or fan of some other club (who knew Portsmouth had a club?). Now, Jarvis was a foot offside when that ball was released 30 or so feet away - go out to a football pitch and get your pal to hit a pass from 30 feet to your left whilst you're looking dead straight ahead focused on the defender/attacker in line in front of you. You can't have both spots as the focal point of your vision at the same time. That's why sometimes those calls don't get made or the offence gets screwed by the linesman because he doesn't want to be wrong in favour of the attacking side. Now, it's also human nature that more will comment on what's wrong than what's right. When it's right, we don't all feel a need to write. We can celebrate a well-played match without having to hero-worship online. For what it's worth, I think SFC has done a terrific job over the past five years of rebuilding and getting back to the Premier League. And, I'm not asking for them to spend at the pace of the big-boys. But, Poch is either out of his depth in England, or he is winding up the fans. I could have told the happy-clappers like you, well before the start of yesterday's match (like, maybe, two weeks ago) that Allardyce and Nolan would easily get the best of Poch and Lallana. But, your fragile ego doesn't want to know why that is. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and learn a thing or two about football instead of lobbing insults at new commenters because you don't want to read/hear what they have to say. Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
  • Score: -5

9:13pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else!
suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?.
suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really?
suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting?
slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well?
and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision!
the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines?
to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years.
finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.
Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.
if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened!

I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss!
if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right!
as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct?
I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it.
oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.
You're more than a little bit overwrought, son. Just because someone called you out on your temper-tantrums on this forum. Now, it's readily apparent that you can't handle a contrary opinion or you wouldn't accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a wind-up merchant or fan of some other club (who knew Portsmouth had a club?). Now, Jarvis was a foot offside when that ball was released 30 or so feet away - go out to a football pitch and get your pal to hit a pass from 30 feet to your left whilst you're looking dead straight ahead focused on the defender/attacker in line in front of you. You can't have both spots as the focal point of your vision at the same time. That's why sometimes those calls don't get made or the offence gets screwed by the linesman because he doesn't want to be wrong in favour of the attacking side. Now, it's also human nature that more will comment on what's wrong than what's right. When it's right, we don't all feel a need to write. We can celebrate a well-played match without having to hero-worship online. For what it's worth, I think SFC has done a terrific job over the past five years of rebuilding and getting back to the Premier League. And, I'm not asking for them to spend at the pace of the big-boys. But, Poch is either out of his depth in England, or he is winding up the fans. I could have told the happy-clappers like you, well before the start of yesterday's match (like, maybe, two weeks ago) that Allardyce and Nolan would easily get the best of Poch and Lallana. But, your fragile ego doesn't want to know why that is. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and learn a thing or two about football instead of lobbing insults at new commenters because you don't want to read/hear what they have to say.
You could have told us two weeks ago?....Why didn't you then Einstein!

ffs..."new commenter"..my @rse.
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redflag14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.[/p][/quote]the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else! suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?. suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really? suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting? slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well? and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision! the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines? to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years. finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.[/p][/quote]Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.[/p][/quote]if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened! I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss! if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right! as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct? I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it. oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.[/p][/quote]You're more than a little bit overwrought, son. Just because someone called you out on your temper-tantrums on this forum. Now, it's readily apparent that you can't handle a contrary opinion or you wouldn't accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a wind-up merchant or fan of some other club (who knew Portsmouth had a club?). Now, Jarvis was a foot offside when that ball was released 30 or so feet away - go out to a football pitch and get your pal to hit a pass from 30 feet to your left whilst you're looking dead straight ahead focused on the defender/attacker in line in front of you. You can't have both spots as the focal point of your vision at the same time. That's why sometimes those calls don't get made or the offence gets screwed by the linesman because he doesn't want to be wrong in favour of the attacking side. Now, it's also human nature that more will comment on what's wrong than what's right. When it's right, we don't all feel a need to write. We can celebrate a well-played match without having to hero-worship online. For what it's worth, I think SFC has done a terrific job over the past five years of rebuilding and getting back to the Premier League. And, I'm not asking for them to spend at the pace of the big-boys. But, Poch is either out of his depth in England, or he is winding up the fans. I could have told the happy-clappers like you, well before the start of yesterday's match (like, maybe, two weeks ago) that Allardyce and Nolan would easily get the best of Poch and Lallana. But, your fragile ego doesn't want to know why that is. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and learn a thing or two about football instead of lobbing insults at new commenters because you don't want to read/hear what they have to say.[/p][/quote]You could have told us two weeks ago?....Why didn't you then Einstein! ffs..."new commenter"..my @rse. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 5

9:33pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

An old respected boss of mine once said "Don't come to me with problems....come to me with solutions".

It was well said (I took note)...and on here, it is what separates critical fans from cynical wums imo. COYR
An old respected boss of mine once said "Don't come to me with problems....come to me with solutions". It was well said (I took note)...and on here, it is what separates critical fans from cynical wums imo. COYR Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 8

9:47pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
An old respected boss of mine once said "Don't come to me with problems....come to me with solutions".

It was well said (I took note)...and on here, it is what separates critical fans from cynical wums imo. COYR
Bill, stop talking sense before one of our new friends accuses you of talking b0ll0cks.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: An old respected boss of mine once said "Don't come to me with problems....come to me with solutions". It was well said (I took note)...and on here, it is what separates critical fans from cynical wums imo. COYR[/p][/quote]Bill, stop talking sense before one of our new friends accuses you of talking b0ll0cks. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 7

9:52pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

These threads stink of fish.

At the start of the season I asked everyone what they reasonably expected of this season. I said 13th would be a step forward but hoped for top 10. I have a decent bet on top 8. I'm quite happy that these sensible but challenging targets are well within reach.
These threads stink of fish. At the start of the season I asked everyone what they reasonably expected of this season. I said 13th would be a step forward but hoped for top 10. I have a decent bet on top 8. I'm quite happy that these sensible but challenging targets are well within reach. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 10

9:54pm Sun 23 Feb 14

angus mc coatup says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else!
suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?.
suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really?
suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting?
slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well?
and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision!
the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines?
to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years.
finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.
Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.
if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened!

I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss!
if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right!
as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct?
I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it.
oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.
You're more than a little bit overwrought, son. Just because someone called you out on your temper-tantrums on this forum. Now, it's readily apparent that you can't handle a contrary opinion or you wouldn't accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a wind-up merchant or fan of some other club (who knew Portsmouth had a club?). Now, Jarvis was a foot offside when that ball was released 30 or so feet away - go out to a football pitch and get your pal to hit a pass from 30 feet to your left whilst you're looking dead straight ahead focused on the defender/attacker in line in front of you. You can't have both spots as the focal point of your vision at the same time. That's why sometimes those calls don't get made or the offence gets screwed by the linesman because he doesn't want to be wrong in favour of the attacking side. Now, it's also human nature that more will comment on what's wrong than what's right. When it's right, we don't all feel a need to write. We can celebrate a well-played match without having to hero-worship online. For what it's worth, I think SFC has done a terrific job over the past five years of rebuilding and getting back to the Premier League. And, I'm not asking for them to spend at the pace of the big-boys. But, Poch is either out of his depth in England, or he is winding up the fans. I could have told the happy-clappers like you, well before the start of yesterday's match (like, maybe, two weeks ago) that Allardyce and Nolan would easily get the best of Poch and Lallana. But, your fragile ego doesn't want to know why that is. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and learn a thing or two about football instead of lobbing insults at new commenters because you don't want to read/hear what they have to say.
Are you Mystic Meg in disguise.

Poch out of his depth, This is the best season we've had in years.

Will your next alias be Polyonymous....You may have look that up.
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redflag14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.[/p][/quote]the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else! suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?. suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really? suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting? slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well? and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision! the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines? to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years. finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.[/p][/quote]Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.[/p][/quote]if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened! I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss! if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right! as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct? I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it. oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.[/p][/quote]You're more than a little bit overwrought, son. Just because someone called you out on your temper-tantrums on this forum. Now, it's readily apparent that you can't handle a contrary opinion or you wouldn't accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a wind-up merchant or fan of some other club (who knew Portsmouth had a club?). Now, Jarvis was a foot offside when that ball was released 30 or so feet away - go out to a football pitch and get your pal to hit a pass from 30 feet to your left whilst you're looking dead straight ahead focused on the defender/attacker in line in front of you. You can't have both spots as the focal point of your vision at the same time. That's why sometimes those calls don't get made or the offence gets screwed by the linesman because he doesn't want to be wrong in favour of the attacking side. Now, it's also human nature that more will comment on what's wrong than what's right. When it's right, we don't all feel a need to write. We can celebrate a well-played match without having to hero-worship online. For what it's worth, I think SFC has done a terrific job over the past five years of rebuilding and getting back to the Premier League. And, I'm not asking for them to spend at the pace of the big-boys. But, Poch is either out of his depth in England, or he is winding up the fans. I could have told the happy-clappers like you, well before the start of yesterday's match (like, maybe, two weeks ago) that Allardyce and Nolan would easily get the best of Poch and Lallana. But, your fragile ego doesn't want to know why that is. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and learn a thing or two about football instead of lobbing insults at new commenters because you don't want to read/hear what they have to say.[/p][/quote]Are you Mystic Meg in disguise. Poch out of his depth, This is the best season we've had in years. Will your next alias be Polyonymous....You may have look that up. angus mc coatup
  • Score: 4

10:21pm Sun 23 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else!
suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?.
suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really?
suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting?
slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well?
and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision!
the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines?
to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years.
finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.
Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.
if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened!

I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss!
if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right!
as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct?
I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it.
oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.
You're more than a little bit overwrought, son. Just because someone called you out on your temper-tantrums on this forum. Now, it's readily apparent that you can't handle a contrary opinion or you wouldn't accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a wind-up merchant or fan of some other club (who knew Portsmouth had a club?). Now, Jarvis was a foot offside when that ball was released 30 or so feet away - go out to a football pitch and get your pal to hit a pass from 30 feet to your left whilst you're looking dead straight ahead focused on the defender/attacker in line in front of you. You can't have both spots as the focal point of your vision at the same time. That's why sometimes those calls don't get made or the offence gets screwed by the linesman because he doesn't want to be wrong in favour of the attacking side. Now, it's also human nature that more will comment on what's wrong than what's right. When it's right, we don't all feel a need to write. We can celebrate a well-played match without having to hero-worship online. For what it's worth, I think SFC has done a terrific job over the past five years of rebuilding and getting back to the Premier League. And, I'm not asking for them to spend at the pace of the big-boys. But, Poch is either out of his depth in England, or he is winding up the fans. I could have told the happy-clappers like you, well before the start of yesterday's match (like, maybe, two weeks ago) that Allardyce and Nolan would easily get the best of Poch and Lallana. But, your fragile ego doesn't want to know why that is. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and learn a thing or two about football instead of lobbing insults at new commenters because you don't want to read/hear what they have to say.
firstly I`m not your son.
now as for your assertion that I call everyone I disagree with a wum or poopey fan, again you couldn't be more wrong, but you must be used to that. I have many disagreements and debates on here with other saints fans and haven't accused them of being a wum or poopey fan, why would I? isn't that what these forums are for? aren't we supposed to debate or challenge false facts or statements that are clearly wrong? or do you not like it that most of what you have said has been challenged shown to be wrong? you can claim all you like that I`m having a temper tantrum and am throwing the toys out of the pram but you couldn't be more wrong, I am extremely calm, why? well its because of people like you, there is no point trying to debate with you because you clearly don't like it. the problem with people like you is that you have an incorrect opinion and invent things to back it up and when that gets challenged you start name calling, as you did yesterday, and try create an atmosphere of people bullying you.
you again claim that I professional linesman with all the experience and training he`s had is unable to make the correct decision when its right in front of him from a ball that wasn't hit from that far away, it was close for hoof! now you quantify this by asking me to go out to the park with a pal and run a strange experiment that has nothing to do with yesterdays decision. I have run the line on suday mornings before, I was never trained nor did I really want to do it but, and this might shock you even if your not looking at the ball you can hear it being kicked! even I being partially deaf could hear a ball being kicked from that far away! that's what professional linesmen train for, its what they do week in week out. are you trying to say that the linesman couldn't hear the ball being kicked or see the player is in an offside position when its right in front of him? as I said if you still stand by that then we might as well get rid of linesmen altogether, theres no point having them if they cant do their job despite all the training! I wont even bother to answer your hero-worship point again, whats the point? you obviously think its wrong to support the players through thick and thin.
I will however prove you wrong again about MP. when MP took over we were 15th in the prem and had only won 5 out of 22 league games, after he took over we won 4 from 16 but importantly we lost half as many games. this season we`ve only lost 8 but have already won more games than last year in total (10). we have gone from 14th to now 9th but we had been a lot higher before injuries wiped out virtually our entire defence and £47mil+ of players. to claim he is either out of his depth or winding the fans up show that there is only one person here on a wind up!

right back in the bar, I know this was another long post that you wont read so I will sum it up for you, mentally challenged made false claims about me the linesman and the team and I disproved them all whilst staying calm and without name calling. hope that helps ;0)
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redflag14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.[/p][/quote]the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else! suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?. suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really? suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting? slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well? and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision! the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines? to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years. finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.[/p][/quote]Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.[/p][/quote]if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened! I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss! if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right! as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct? I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it. oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.[/p][/quote]You're more than a little bit overwrought, son. Just because someone called you out on your temper-tantrums on this forum. Now, it's readily apparent that you can't handle a contrary opinion or you wouldn't accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a wind-up merchant or fan of some other club (who knew Portsmouth had a club?). Now, Jarvis was a foot offside when that ball was released 30 or so feet away - go out to a football pitch and get your pal to hit a pass from 30 feet to your left whilst you're looking dead straight ahead focused on the defender/attacker in line in front of you. You can't have both spots as the focal point of your vision at the same time. That's why sometimes those calls don't get made or the offence gets screwed by the linesman because he doesn't want to be wrong in favour of the attacking side. Now, it's also human nature that more will comment on what's wrong than what's right. When it's right, we don't all feel a need to write. We can celebrate a well-played match without having to hero-worship online. For what it's worth, I think SFC has done a terrific job over the past five years of rebuilding and getting back to the Premier League. And, I'm not asking for them to spend at the pace of the big-boys. But, Poch is either out of his depth in England, or he is winding up the fans. I could have told the happy-clappers like you, well before the start of yesterday's match (like, maybe, two weeks ago) that Allardyce and Nolan would easily get the best of Poch and Lallana. But, your fragile ego doesn't want to know why that is. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and learn a thing or two about football instead of lobbing insults at new commenters because you don't want to read/hear what they have to say.[/p][/quote]firstly I`m not your son. now as for your assertion that I call everyone I disagree with a wum or poopey fan, again you couldn't be more wrong, but you must be used to that. I have many disagreements and debates on here with other saints fans and haven't accused them of being a wum or poopey fan, why would I? isn't that what these forums are for? aren't we supposed to debate or challenge false facts or statements that are clearly wrong? or do you not like it that most of what you have said has been challenged shown to be wrong? you can claim all you like that I`m having a temper tantrum and am throwing the toys out of the pram but you couldn't be more wrong, I am extremely calm, why? well its because of people like you, there is no point trying to debate with you because you clearly don't like it. the problem with people like you is that you have an incorrect opinion and invent things to back it up and when that gets challenged you start name calling, as you did yesterday, and try create an atmosphere of people bullying you. you again claim that I professional linesman with all the experience and training he`s had is unable to make the correct decision when its right in front of him from a ball that wasn't hit from that far away, it was close for hoof! now you quantify this by asking me to go out to the park with a pal and run a strange experiment that has nothing to do with yesterdays decision. I have run the line on suday mornings before, I was never trained nor did I really want to do it but, and this might shock you even if your not looking at the ball you can hear it being kicked! even I being partially deaf could hear a ball being kicked from that far away! that's what professional linesmen train for, its what they do week in week out. are you trying to say that the linesman couldn't hear the ball being kicked or see the player is in an offside position when its right in front of him? as I said if you still stand by that then we might as well get rid of linesmen altogether, theres no point having them if they cant do their job despite all the training! I wont even bother to answer your hero-worship point again, whats the point? you obviously think its wrong to support the players through thick and thin. I will however prove you wrong again about MP. when MP took over we were 15th in the prem and had only won 5 out of 22 league games, after he took over we won 4 from 16 but importantly we lost half as many games. this season we`ve only lost 8 but have already won more games than last year in total (10). we have gone from 14th to now 9th but we had been a lot higher before injuries wiped out virtually our entire defence and £47mil+ of players. to claim he is either out of his depth or winding the fans up show that there is only one person here on a wind up! right back in the bar, I know this was another long post that you wont read so I will sum it up for you, mentally challenged made false claims about me the linesman and the team and I disproved them all whilst staying calm and without name calling. hope that helps ;0) el caballo santos101
  • Score: 6

10:38pm Sun 23 Feb 14

FindAndDestroy says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else!
suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?.
suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really?
suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting?
slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well?
and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision!
the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines?
to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years.
finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.
Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.
if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened!

I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss!
if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right!
as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct?
I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it.
oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.
You're more than a little bit overwrought, son. Just because someone called you out on your temper-tantrums on this forum. Now, it's readily apparent that you can't handle a contrary opinion or you wouldn't accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a wind-up merchant or fan of some other club (who knew Portsmouth had a club?). Now, Jarvis was a foot offside when that ball was released 30 or so feet away - go out to a football pitch and get your pal to hit a pass from 30 feet to your left whilst you're looking dead straight ahead focused on the defender/attacker in line in front of you. You can't have both spots as the focal point of your vision at the same time. That's why sometimes those calls don't get made or the offence gets screwed by the linesman because he doesn't want to be wrong in favour of the attacking side. Now, it's also human nature that more will comment on what's wrong than what's right. When it's right, we don't all feel a need to write. We can celebrate a well-played match without having to hero-worship online. For what it's worth, I think SFC has done a terrific job over the past five years of rebuilding and getting back to the Premier League. And, I'm not asking for them to spend at the pace of the big-boys. But, Poch is either out of his depth in England, or he is winding up the fans. I could have told the happy-clappers like you, well before the start of yesterday's match (like, maybe, two weeks ago) that Allardyce and Nolan would easily get the best of Poch and Lallana. But, your fragile ego doesn't want to know why that is. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and learn a thing or two about football instead of lobbing insults at new commenters because you don't want to read/hear what they have to say.
You are so cynical you know that!!! when we had a good run at the beginning of the season you were missing in action... now we lost 3-1 and there you are....

You are being overly critical, bringing up all the negatives in one game alone and forgetting the positives MoPo and the club have achieved so far...

We are a small club compare to the likes of Chelsea, United, Liverpool etc...moreover we have just been promoted from the championship.

We have a reasonably young squad compare to most PL teams who are no spring chickens...with years of PL experience

I still believe we are a team in making...every lost we suffer is educational to both the manager and the players.

You seem to suggest that West ham are mentally and physically tougher than the saints....

I just want to remind you that they are 8 points behind us...

As long as we do not have a dog in the relegation fight, no need for me to have a heart condition.

You are suggesting that we haven't made any progress... but i can tell you this time last season we were living in relegation fear...but now we are not,

That's what i call PROGRESS....and who knows Top 6 finish still very much possibility....

Be patient....and Support the team if you are a saints fan..
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redflag14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.[/p][/quote]the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else! suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?. suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really? suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting? slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well? and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision! the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines? to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years. finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.[/p][/quote]Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.[/p][/quote]if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened! I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss! if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right! as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct? I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it. oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.[/p][/quote]You're more than a little bit overwrought, son. Just because someone called you out on your temper-tantrums on this forum. Now, it's readily apparent that you can't handle a contrary opinion or you wouldn't accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a wind-up merchant or fan of some other club (who knew Portsmouth had a club?). Now, Jarvis was a foot offside when that ball was released 30 or so feet away - go out to a football pitch and get your pal to hit a pass from 30 feet to your left whilst you're looking dead straight ahead focused on the defender/attacker in line in front of you. You can't have both spots as the focal point of your vision at the same time. That's why sometimes those calls don't get made or the offence gets screwed by the linesman because he doesn't want to be wrong in favour of the attacking side. Now, it's also human nature that more will comment on what's wrong than what's right. When it's right, we don't all feel a need to write. We can celebrate a well-played match without having to hero-worship online. For what it's worth, I think SFC has done a terrific job over the past five years of rebuilding and getting back to the Premier League. And, I'm not asking for them to spend at the pace of the big-boys. But, Poch is either out of his depth in England, or he is winding up the fans. I could have told the happy-clappers like you, well before the start of yesterday's match (like, maybe, two weeks ago) that Allardyce and Nolan would easily get the best of Poch and Lallana. But, your fragile ego doesn't want to know why that is. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and learn a thing or two about football instead of lobbing insults at new commenters because you don't want to read/hear what they have to say.[/p][/quote]You are so cynical you know that!!! when we had a good run at the beginning of the season you were missing in action... now we lost 3-1 and there you are.... You are being overly critical, bringing up all the negatives in one game alone and forgetting the positives MoPo and the club have achieved so far... We are a small club compare to the likes of Chelsea, United, Liverpool etc...moreover we have just been promoted from the championship. We have a reasonably young squad compare to most PL teams who are no spring chickens...with years of PL experience I still believe we are a team in making...every lost we suffer is educational to both the manager and the players. You seem to suggest that West ham are mentally and physically tougher than the saints.... I just want to remind you that they are 8 points behind us... As long as we do not have a dog in the relegation fight, no need for me to have a heart condition. You are suggesting that we haven't made any progress... but i can tell you this time last season we were living in relegation fear...but now we are not, That's what i call PROGRESS....and who knows Top 6 finish still very much possibility.... Be patient....and Support the team if you are a saints fan.. FindAndDestroy
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10:58pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Baddesley Bill says...

FindAndDestroy wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else!
suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?.
suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really?
suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting?
slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well?
and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision!
the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines?
to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years.
finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.
Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.
if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened!

I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss!
if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right!
as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct?
I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it.
oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.
You're more than a little bit overwrought, son. Just because someone called you out on your temper-tantrums on this forum. Now, it's readily apparent that you can't handle a contrary opinion or you wouldn't accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a wind-up merchant or fan of some other club (who knew Portsmouth had a club?). Now, Jarvis was a foot offside when that ball was released 30 or so feet away - go out to a football pitch and get your pal to hit a pass from 30 feet to your left whilst you're looking dead straight ahead focused on the defender/attacker in line in front of you. You can't have both spots as the focal point of your vision at the same time. That's why sometimes those calls don't get made or the offence gets screwed by the linesman because he doesn't want to be wrong in favour of the attacking side. Now, it's also human nature that more will comment on what's wrong than what's right. When it's right, we don't all feel a need to write. We can celebrate a well-played match without having to hero-worship online. For what it's worth, I think SFC has done a terrific job over the past five years of rebuilding and getting back to the Premier League. And, I'm not asking for them to spend at the pace of the big-boys. But, Poch is either out of his depth in England, or he is winding up the fans. I could have told the happy-clappers like you, well before the start of yesterday's match (like, maybe, two weeks ago) that Allardyce and Nolan would easily get the best of Poch and Lallana. But, your fragile ego doesn't want to know why that is. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and learn a thing or two about football instead of lobbing insults at new commenters because you don't want to read/hear what they have to say.
You are so cynical you know that!!! when we had a good run at the beginning of the season you were missing in action... now we lost 3-1 and there you are....

You are being overly critical, bringing up all the negatives in one game alone and forgetting the positives MoPo and the club have achieved so far...

We are a small club compare to the likes of Chelsea, United, Liverpool etc...moreover we have just been promoted from the championship.

We have a reasonably young squad compare to most PL teams who are no spring chickens...with years of PL experience

I still believe we are a team in making...every lost we suffer is educational to both the manager and the players.

You seem to suggest that West ham are mentally and physically tougher than the saints....

I just want to remind you that they are 8 points behind us...

As long as we do not have a dog in the relegation fight, no need for me to have a heart condition.

You are suggesting that we haven't made any progress... but i can tell you this time last season we were living in relegation fear...but now we are not,

That's what i call PROGRESS....and who knows Top 6 finish still very much possibility....

Be patient....and Support the team if you are a saints fan..
He ain't...so we are wasting our breath replying to him. Be really funny if he was a skate though....

....really really really funny :0)
[quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redflag14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.[/p][/quote]the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else! suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?. suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really? suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting? slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well? and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision! the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines? to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years. finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.[/p][/quote]Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.[/p][/quote]if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened! I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss! if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right! as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct? I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it. oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.[/p][/quote]You're more than a little bit overwrought, son. Just because someone called you out on your temper-tantrums on this forum. Now, it's readily apparent that you can't handle a contrary opinion or you wouldn't accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a wind-up merchant or fan of some other club (who knew Portsmouth had a club?). Now, Jarvis was a foot offside when that ball was released 30 or so feet away - go out to a football pitch and get your pal to hit a pass from 30 feet to your left whilst you're looking dead straight ahead focused on the defender/attacker in line in front of you. You can't have both spots as the focal point of your vision at the same time. That's why sometimes those calls don't get made or the offence gets screwed by the linesman because he doesn't want to be wrong in favour of the attacking side. Now, it's also human nature that more will comment on what's wrong than what's right. When it's right, we don't all feel a need to write. We can celebrate a well-played match without having to hero-worship online. For what it's worth, I think SFC has done a terrific job over the past five years of rebuilding and getting back to the Premier League. And, I'm not asking for them to spend at the pace of the big-boys. But, Poch is either out of his depth in England, or he is winding up the fans. I could have told the happy-clappers like you, well before the start of yesterday's match (like, maybe, two weeks ago) that Allardyce and Nolan would easily get the best of Poch and Lallana. But, your fragile ego doesn't want to know why that is. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and learn a thing or two about football instead of lobbing insults at new commenters because you don't want to read/hear what they have to say.[/p][/quote]You are so cynical you know that!!! when we had a good run at the beginning of the season you were missing in action... now we lost 3-1 and there you are.... You are being overly critical, bringing up all the negatives in one game alone and forgetting the positives MoPo and the club have achieved so far... We are a small club compare to the likes of Chelsea, United, Liverpool etc...moreover we have just been promoted from the championship. We have a reasonably young squad compare to most PL teams who are no spring chickens...with years of PL experience I still believe we are a team in making...every lost we suffer is educational to both the manager and the players. You seem to suggest that West ham are mentally and physically tougher than the saints.... I just want to remind you that they are 8 points behind us... As long as we do not have a dog in the relegation fight, no need for me to have a heart condition. You are suggesting that we haven't made any progress... but i can tell you this time last season we were living in relegation fear...but now we are not, That's what i call PROGRESS....and who knows Top 6 finish still very much possibility.... Be patient....and Support the team if you are a saints fan..[/p][/quote]He ain't...so we are wasting our breath replying to him. Be really funny if he was a skate though.... ....really really really funny :0) Baddesley Bill
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12:01am Mon 24 Feb 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

FindAndDestroy wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else!
suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?.
suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really?
suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting?
slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well?
and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision!
the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines?
to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years.
finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.
Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.
if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened!

I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss!
if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right!
as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct?
I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it.
oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.
You're more than a little bit overwrought, son. Just because someone called you out on your temper-tantrums on this forum. Now, it's readily apparent that you can't handle a contrary opinion or you wouldn't accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a wind-up merchant or fan of some other club (who knew Portsmouth had a club?). Now, Jarvis was a foot offside when that ball was released 30 or so feet away - go out to a football pitch and get your pal to hit a pass from 30 feet to your left whilst you're looking dead straight ahead focused on the defender/attacker in line in front of you. You can't have both spots as the focal point of your vision at the same time. That's why sometimes those calls don't get made or the offence gets screwed by the linesman because he doesn't want to be wrong in favour of the attacking side. Now, it's also human nature that more will comment on what's wrong than what's right. When it's right, we don't all feel a need to write. We can celebrate a well-played match without having to hero-worship online. For what it's worth, I think SFC has done a terrific job over the past five years of rebuilding and getting back to the Premier League. And, I'm not asking for them to spend at the pace of the big-boys. But, Poch is either out of his depth in England, or he is winding up the fans. I could have told the happy-clappers like you, well before the start of yesterday's match (like, maybe, two weeks ago) that Allardyce and Nolan would easily get the best of Poch and Lallana. But, your fragile ego doesn't want to know why that is. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and learn a thing or two about football instead of lobbing insults at new commenters because you don't want to read/hear what they have to say.
You are so cynical you know that!!! when we had a good run at the beginning of the season you were missing in action... now we lost 3-1 and there you are....

You are being overly critical, bringing up all the negatives in one game alone and forgetting the positives MoPo and the club have achieved so far...

We are a small club compare to the likes of Chelsea, United, Liverpool etc...moreover we have just been promoted from the championship.

We have a reasonably young squad compare to most PL teams who are no spring chickens...with years of PL experience

I still believe we are a team in making...every lost we suffer is educational to both the manager and the players.

You seem to suggest that West ham are mentally and physically tougher than the saints....

I just want to remind you that they are 8 points behind us...

As long as we do not have a dog in the relegation fight, no need for me to have a heart condition.

You are suggesting that we haven't made any progress... but i can tell you this time last season we were living in relegation fear...but now we are not,

That's what i call PROGRESS....and who knows Top 6 finish still very much possibility....

Be patient....and Support the team if you are a saints fan..
Well, in for a penny, in for a pound...I agree with a lot of what you say, but I'm going to say some more things that the "too-positives" (rose-coloured glasses) won't like: 1/ just because a guy speaks Spanish and isn't an Englishman doesn't make him automatically more clever than an Englishman and, therefore, above criticism. Have some national pride, men. Since when are Argies the Englishman's favourite? Now, Cork, Scheiderlin, Yoshida, Hooiveld are either poor passers or too slow to move the ball. They absolutely kill the attack. Saints actually do very little probing at the heart of a team because they let the other team get ten men behind the ball by being too slow to build up the attack, and too many of them are too timid to run at another player and take contact. That is why Saints are always playing the game on the periphery. Other than the high pressing, they are playing the same periphery game they played with Atkins. Too often they get within thirty yards of the opponent's goal, and then, with a little pressure, end up playing the ball immediately back to Boruc. And Boruc is no DeGea with his feet. Saints rarely attempt to switch the ball across the field on the attack, which is why the opponent can press them heavy on one side at a time, and guys like Lallana/Chambers or Shaw/Rodriguez/Schne
iderlin are being played into dead ends at the side and the ball is either lost or goes back to Boruc. It's not strikers we need, it's real penetration of the opponent's box and real chances, not half-chances or highly speculative 30-yard shots from Cork and the like. I say to the happy-clappers that they need to stop hero-worshiping the manager and start looking at how the team needs to improve. Look at how the better teams open up opponents: it's not with a ponderous build-up and predictable play on the periphery. Now, why do I get on Lallana's case? You should never hero-worship a young professional sportsman in any sport who is not the finished product and let him think that he is the finished product. Lallana did not belong in this league at the start of last season; he has improved, but, like so many other young players, he is often badly out-thought by the more experienced players. I love the fact that Saints have loads of young English talent, but that talent needs to progress. As the commentator said on Saturday (Lee Dixon, I think, on the feed that I saw), Saints heads are dropping because the players are out of answers. It's time that Poch showed the fans that he has a Plan B, that he can plan tactically for the opposition. If he isn't smart enough by now to know that he needs brawn in the line-up against certain teams, then maybe he isn't adapting well-enough to the English game. Why haven't I commented before? Because I have been patient. But I signed up to comment because I was sick of people pretending that Lallana and Poch are above criticism. I repeat what I said earlier: Lallana can't make a pass longer than 10 yards in the air to a teammate with any accuracy at all. His decision-making is poor, and he plays like a nancy-boy. He has a lot to learn and needs to learn to play like a man. Everyone talks about divers on other teams. Well, take a look at how many times over the past two seasons that Lallana and Ramirez have hit the deck like little girls and then whined to the referee. Before Ramirez got injured, the verdict on him was almost in: he hasn't the stomach or stones for the English game. And that assessment won't change over one 20-minute stretch. That's why he was rarely in the side all year. It's also why he and Lallana can't be in the side at the same time. They play too soft and you can't have both of them on the pitch at the same time. Well, maybe I'll take your advice and sign in as "Rose-Coloured Glasses" next week, so that El Hablo Espanol and Bill Blow-Hard won't throw their toys out of the pram.
[quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redflag14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.[/p][/quote]the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else! suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?. suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really? suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting? slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well? and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision! the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines? to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years. finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.[/p][/quote]Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.[/p][/quote]if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened! I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss! if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right! as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct? I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it. oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.[/p][/quote]You're more than a little bit overwrought, son. Just because someone called you out on your temper-tantrums on this forum. Now, it's readily apparent that you can't handle a contrary opinion or you wouldn't accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a wind-up merchant or fan of some other club (who knew Portsmouth had a club?). Now, Jarvis was a foot offside when that ball was released 30 or so feet away - go out to a football pitch and get your pal to hit a pass from 30 feet to your left whilst you're looking dead straight ahead focused on the defender/attacker in line in front of you. You can't have both spots as the focal point of your vision at the same time. That's why sometimes those calls don't get made or the offence gets screwed by the linesman because he doesn't want to be wrong in favour of the attacking side. Now, it's also human nature that more will comment on what's wrong than what's right. When it's right, we don't all feel a need to write. We can celebrate a well-played match without having to hero-worship online. For what it's worth, I think SFC has done a terrific job over the past five years of rebuilding and getting back to the Premier League. And, I'm not asking for them to spend at the pace of the big-boys. But, Poch is either out of his depth in England, or he is winding up the fans. I could have told the happy-clappers like you, well before the start of yesterday's match (like, maybe, two weeks ago) that Allardyce and Nolan would easily get the best of Poch and Lallana. But, your fragile ego doesn't want to know why that is. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and learn a thing or two about football instead of lobbing insults at new commenters because you don't want to read/hear what they have to say.[/p][/quote]You are so cynical you know that!!! when we had a good run at the beginning of the season you were missing in action... now we lost 3-1 and there you are.... You are being overly critical, bringing up all the negatives in one game alone and forgetting the positives MoPo and the club have achieved so far... We are a small club compare to the likes of Chelsea, United, Liverpool etc...moreover we have just been promoted from the championship. We have a reasonably young squad compare to most PL teams who are no spring chickens...with years of PL experience I still believe we are a team in making...every lost we suffer is educational to both the manager and the players. You seem to suggest that West ham are mentally and physically tougher than the saints.... I just want to remind you that they are 8 points behind us... As long as we do not have a dog in the relegation fight, no need for me to have a heart condition. You are suggesting that we haven't made any progress... but i can tell you this time last season we were living in relegation fear...but now we are not, That's what i call PROGRESS....and who knows Top 6 finish still very much possibility.... Be patient....and Support the team if you are a saints fan..[/p][/quote]Well, in for a penny, in for a pound...I agree with a lot of what you say, but I'm going to say some more things that the "too-positives" (rose-coloured glasses) won't like: 1/ just because a guy speaks Spanish and isn't an Englishman doesn't make him automatically more clever than an Englishman and, therefore, above criticism. Have some national pride, men. Since when are Argies the Englishman's favourite? Now, Cork, Scheiderlin, Yoshida, Hooiveld are either poor passers or too slow to move the ball. They absolutely kill the attack. Saints actually do very little probing at the heart of a team because they let the other team get ten men behind the ball by being too slow to build up the attack, and too many of them are too timid to run at another player and take contact. That is why Saints are always playing the game on the periphery. Other than the high pressing, they are playing the same periphery game they played with Atkins. Too often they get within thirty yards of the opponent's goal, and then, with a little pressure, end up playing the ball immediately back to Boruc. And Boruc is no DeGea with his feet. Saints rarely attempt to switch the ball across the field on the attack, which is why the opponent can press them heavy on one side at a time, and guys like Lallana/Chambers or Shaw/Rodriguez/Schne iderlin are being played into dead ends at the side and the ball is either lost or goes back to Boruc. It's not strikers we need, it's real penetration of the opponent's box and real chances, not half-chances or highly speculative 30-yard shots from Cork and the like. I say to the happy-clappers that they need to stop hero-worshiping the manager and start looking at how the team needs to improve. Look at how the better teams open up opponents: it's not with a ponderous build-up and predictable play on the periphery. Now, why do I get on Lallana's case? You should never hero-worship a young professional sportsman in any sport who is not the finished product and let him think that he is the finished product. Lallana did not belong in this league at the start of last season; he has improved, but, like so many other young players, he is often badly out-thought by the more experienced players. I love the fact that Saints have loads of young English talent, but that talent needs to progress. As the commentator said on Saturday (Lee Dixon, I think, on the feed that I saw), Saints heads are dropping because the players are out of answers. It's time that Poch showed the fans that he has a Plan B, that he can plan tactically for the opposition. If he isn't smart enough by now to know that he needs brawn in the line-up against certain teams, then maybe he isn't adapting well-enough to the English game. Why haven't I commented before? Because I have been patient. But I signed up to comment because I was sick of people pretending that Lallana and Poch are above criticism. I repeat what I said earlier: Lallana can't make a pass longer than 10 yards in the air to a teammate with any accuracy at all. His decision-making is poor, and he plays like a nancy-boy. He has a lot to learn and needs to learn to play like a man. Everyone talks about divers on other teams. Well, take a look at how many times over the past two seasons that Lallana and Ramirez have hit the deck like little girls and then whined to the referee. Before Ramirez got injured, the verdict on him was almost in: he hasn't the stomach or stones for the English game. And that assessment won't change over one 20-minute stretch. That's why he was rarely in the side all year. It's also why he and Lallana can't be in the side at the same time. They play too soft and you can't have both of them on the pitch at the same time. Well, maybe I'll take your advice and sign in as "Rose-Coloured Glasses" next week, so that El Hablo Espanol and Bill Blow-Hard won't throw their toys out of the pram. Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
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angus mc coatup says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
FindAndDestroy wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else!
suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?.
suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really?
suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting?
slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well?
and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision!
the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines?
to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years.
finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.
Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.
if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened!

I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss!
if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right!
as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct?
I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it.
oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.
You're more than a little bit overwrought, son. Just because someone called you out on your temper-tantrums on this forum. Now, it's readily apparent that you can't handle a contrary opinion or you wouldn't accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a wind-up merchant or fan of some other club (who knew Portsmouth had a club?). Now, Jarvis was a foot offside when that ball was released 30 or so feet away - go out to a football pitch and get your pal to hit a pass from 30 feet to your left whilst you're looking dead straight ahead focused on the defender/attacker in line in front of you. You can't have both spots as the focal point of your vision at the same time. That's why sometimes those calls don't get made or the offence gets screwed by the linesman because he doesn't want to be wrong in favour of the attacking side. Now, it's also human nature that more will comment on what's wrong than what's right. When it's right, we don't all feel a need to write. We can celebrate a well-played match without having to hero-worship online. For what it's worth, I think SFC has done a terrific job over the past five years of rebuilding and getting back to the Premier League. And, I'm not asking for them to spend at the pace of the big-boys. But, Poch is either out of his depth in England, or he is winding up the fans. I could have told the happy-clappers like you, well before the start of yesterday's match (like, maybe, two weeks ago) that Allardyce and Nolan would easily get the best of Poch and Lallana. But, your fragile ego doesn't want to know why that is. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and learn a thing or two about football instead of lobbing insults at new commenters because you don't want to read/hear what they have to say.
You are so cynical you know that!!! when we had a good run at the beginning of the season you were missing in action... now we lost 3-1 and there you are....

You are being overly critical, bringing up all the negatives in one game alone and forgetting the positives MoPo and the club have achieved so far...

We are a small club compare to the likes of Chelsea, United, Liverpool etc...moreover we have just been promoted from the championship.

We have a reasonably young squad compare to most PL teams who are no spring chickens...with years of PL experience

I still believe we are a team in making...every lost we suffer is educational to both the manager and the players.

You seem to suggest that West ham are mentally and physically tougher than the saints....

I just want to remind you that they are 8 points behind us...

As long as we do not have a dog in the relegation fight, no need for me to have a heart condition.

You are suggesting that we haven't made any progress... but i can tell you this time last season we were living in relegation fear...but now we are not,

That's what i call PROGRESS....and who knows Top 6 finish still very much possibility....

Be patient....and Support the team if you are a saints fan..
Well, in for a penny, in for a pound...I agree with a lot of what you say, but I'm going to say some more things that the "too-positives" (rose-coloured glasses) won't like: 1/ just because a guy speaks Spanish and isn't an Englishman doesn't make him automatically more clever than an Englishman and, therefore, above criticism. Have some national pride, men. Since when are Argies the Englishman's favourite? Now, Cork, Scheiderlin, Yoshida, Hooiveld are either poor passers or too slow to move the ball. They absolutely kill the attack. Saints actually do very little probing at the heart of a team because they let the other team get ten men behind the ball by being too slow to build up the attack, and too many of them are too timid to run at another player and take contact. That is why Saints are always playing the game on the periphery. Other than the high pressing, they are playing the same periphery game they played with Atkins. Too often they get within thirty yards of the opponent's goal, and then, with a little pressure, end up playing the ball immediately back to Boruc. And Boruc is no DeGea with his feet. Saints rarely attempt to switch the ball across the field on the attack, which is why the opponent can press them heavy on one side at a time, and guys like Lallana/Chambers or Shaw/Rodriguez/Schne

iderlin are being played into dead ends at the side and the ball is either lost or goes back to Boruc. It's not strikers we need, it's real penetration of the opponent's box and real chances, not half-chances or highly speculative 30-yard shots from Cork and the like. I say to the happy-clappers that they need to stop hero-worshiping the manager and start looking at how the team needs to improve. Look at how the better teams open up opponents: it's not with a ponderous build-up and predictable play on the periphery. Now, why do I get on Lallana's case? You should never hero-worship a young professional sportsman in any sport who is not the finished product and let him think that he is the finished product. Lallana did not belong in this league at the start of last season; he has improved, but, like so many other young players, he is often badly out-thought by the more experienced players. I love the fact that Saints have loads of young English talent, but that talent needs to progress. As the commentator said on Saturday (Lee Dixon, I think, on the feed that I saw), Saints heads are dropping because the players are out of answers. It's time that Poch showed the fans that he has a Plan B, that he can plan tactically for the opposition. If he isn't smart enough by now to know that he needs brawn in the line-up against certain teams, then maybe he isn't adapting well-enough to the English game. Why haven't I commented before? Because I have been patient. But I signed up to comment because I was sick of people pretending that Lallana and Poch are above criticism. I repeat what I said earlier: Lallana can't make a pass longer than 10 yards in the air to a teammate with any accuracy at all. His decision-making is poor, and he plays like a nancy-boy. He has a lot to learn and needs to learn to play like a man. Everyone talks about divers on other teams. Well, take a look at how many times over the past two seasons that Lallana and Ramirez have hit the deck like little girls and then whined to the referee. Before Ramirez got injured, the verdict on him was almost in: he hasn't the stomach or stones for the English game. And that assessment won't change over one 20-minute stretch. That's why he was rarely in the side all year. It's also why he and Lallana can't be in the side at the same time. They play too soft and you can't have both of them on the pitch at the same time. Well, maybe I'll take your advice and sign in as "Rose-Coloured Glasses" next week, so that El Hablo Espanol and Bill Blow-Hard won't throw their toys out of the pram.
You must of spend absolutely ages thinking up, and typing that load of old b0ll0cks
And nobody gives a flying fcuk ha ha
what a tw@t.
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redflag14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.[/p][/quote]The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.[/p][/quote]the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else! suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?. suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really? suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting? slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well? and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision! the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines? to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years. finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.[/p][/quote]Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matches. Bright point about yesterday was Gaston - he should be given a run in the tam now to see what he bring but I doubt that will happen.[/p][/quote]if you don't read my posts how can you comment on what I have written? that's just like saying I didn't watch the game but know exactly what happened! I don't shout anyone down. I`ve always said that we all have different opinions and I`m fine with that. but am I not allowed to challenge what they say? if you post something as a fact which is wrong I will say so and expect others to do the same to me! I wont apologise for doing that. the thing is, and I`ve said this before, why do these threads get hundreds of posts after a defeat with people moaning about this player, that player, the tactics, the manager etc etc. yet when we win all those moaners disappear? look at the thread counts after a win to a loss! if you can have a point of view then so can I but i don't post false facts just to try to prove I`m right! as for the fool who I answered, did you bother to read his lengthy posts? if you did you will see that they are full of rubbish, not just my opinion there by the way, he tried to claim that we were `well beaten` and it was hard for the linesman to give the offside! were we `well beaten`? no of course not, we were unlucky not to win and dominated the game. was it hard for the linesman to give that offside? again no, if that's a hard call for a linesman to give then we might as well give up and stop having them! whats the point if they cant get easy decisions correct? I realise that this post will have been to long for you to read and so wont understand anything I have written. so don't bother to comment on it. oh and unless you didn't know or couldn't be bothered to read their lengthy posts, we have had many wums and poopey fans on here who try to pretend they are saints fans, they are easy to spot and once found out they disappear only to come back a few days/weeks later with a different login name. mentally unhinged is, I suspect, one of them. I`m not the only person who thinks this either.[/p][/quote]You're more than a little bit overwrought, son. Just because someone called you out on your temper-tantrums on this forum. Now, it's readily apparent that you can't handle a contrary opinion or you wouldn't accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a wind-up merchant or fan of some other club (who knew Portsmouth had a club?). Now, Jarvis was a foot offside when that ball was released 30 or so feet away - go out to a football pitch and get your pal to hit a pass from 30 feet to your left whilst you're looking dead straight ahead focused on the defender/attacker in line in front of you. You can't have both spots as the focal point of your vision at the same time. That's why sometimes those calls don't get made or the offence gets screwed by the linesman because he doesn't want to be wrong in favour of the attacking side. Now, it's also human nature that more will comment on what's wrong than what's right. When it's right, we don't all feel a need to write. We can celebrate a well-played match without having to hero-worship online. For what it's worth, I think SFC has done a terrific job over the past five years of rebuilding and getting back to the Premier League. And, I'm not asking for them to spend at the pace of the big-boys. But, Poch is either out of his depth in England, or he is winding up the fans. I could have told the happy-clappers like you, well before the start of yesterday's match (like, maybe, two weeks ago) that Allardyce and Nolan would easily get the best of Poch and Lallana. But, your fragile ego doesn't want to know why that is. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and learn a thing or two about football instead of lobbing insults at new commenters because you don't want to read/hear what they have to say.[/p][/quote]You are so cynical you know that!!! when we had a good run at the beginning of the season you were missing in action... now we lost 3-1 and there you are.... You are being overly critical, bringing up all the negatives in one game alone and forgetting the positives MoPo and the club have achieved so far... We are a small club compare to the likes of Chelsea, United, Liverpool etc...moreover we have just been promoted from the championship. We have a reasonably young squad compare to most PL teams who are no spring chickens...with years of PL experience I still believe we are a team in making...every lost we suffer is educational to both the manager and the players. You seem to suggest that West ham are mentally and physically tougher than the saints.... I just want to remind you that they are 8 points behind us... As long as we do not have a dog in the relegation fight, no need for me to have a heart condition. You are suggesting that we haven't made any progress... but i can tell you this time last season we were living in relegation fear...but now we are not, That's what i call PROGRESS....and who knows Top 6 finish still very much possibility.... Be patient....and Support the team if you are a saints fan..[/p][/quote]Well, in for a penny, in for a pound...I agree with a lot of what you say, but I'm going to say some more things that the "too-positives" (rose-coloured glasses) won't like: 1/ just because a guy speaks Spanish and isn't an Englishman doesn't make him automatically more clever than an Englishman and, therefore, above criticism. Have some national pride, men. Since when are Argies the Englishman's favourite? Now, Cork, Scheiderlin, Yoshida, Hooiveld are either poor passers or too slow to move the ball. They absolutely kill the attack. Saints actually do very little probing at the heart of a team because they let the other team get ten men behind the ball by being too slow to build up the attack, and too many of them are too timid to run at another player and take contact. That is why Saints are always playing the game on the periphery. Other than the high pressing, they are playing the same periphery game they played with Atkins. Too often they get within thirty yards of the opponent's goal, and then, with a little pressure, end up playing the ball immediately back to Boruc. And Boruc is no DeGea with his feet. Saints rarely attempt to switch the ball across the field on the attack, which is why the opponent can press them heavy on one side at a time, and guys like Lallana/Chambers or Shaw/Rodriguez/Schne iderlin are being played into dead ends at the side and the ball is either lost or goes back to Boruc. It's not strikers we need, it's real penetration of the opponent's box and real chances, not half-chances or highly speculative 30-yard shots from Cork and the like. I say to the happy-clappers that they need to stop hero-worshiping the manager and start looking at how the team needs to improve. Look at how the better teams open up opponents: it's not with a ponderous build-up and predictable play on the periphery. Now, why do I get on Lallana's case? You should never hero-worship a young professional sportsman in any sport who is not the finished product and let him think that he is the finished product. Lallana did not belong in this league at the start of last season; he has improved, but, like so many other young players, he is often badly out-thought by the more experienced players. I love the fact that Saints have loads of young English talent, but that talent needs to progress. As the commentator said on Saturday (Lee Dixon, I think, on the feed that I saw), Saints heads are dropping because the players are out of answers. It's time that Poch showed the fans that he has a Plan B, that he can plan tactically for the opposition. If he isn't smart enough by now to know that he needs brawn in the line-up against certain teams, then maybe he isn't adapting well-enough to the English game. Why haven't I commented before? Because I have been patient. But I signed up to comment because I was sick of people pretending that Lallana and Poch are above criticism. I repeat what I said earlier: Lallana can't make a pass longer than 10 yards in the air to a teammate with any accuracy at all. His decision-making is poor, and he plays like a nancy-boy. He has a lot to learn and needs to learn to play like a man. Everyone talks about divers on other teams. Well, take a look at how many times over the past two seasons that Lallana and Ramirez have hit the deck like little girls and then whined to the referee. Before Ramirez got injured, the verdict on him was almost in: he hasn't the stomach or stones for the English game. And that assessment won't change over one 20-minute stretch. That's why he was rarely in the side all year. It's also why he and Lallana can't be in the side at the same time. They play too soft and you can't have both of them on the pitch at the same time. Well, maybe I'll take your advice and sign in as "Rose-Coloured Glasses" next week, so that El Hablo Espanol and Bill Blow-Hard won't throw their toys out of the pram.[/p][/quote]You must of spend absolutely ages thinking up, and typing that load of old b0ll0cks And nobody gives a flying fcuk ha ha what a tw@t. angus mc coatup
  • Score: 5

1:13am Mon 24 Feb 14

st1halo says...

Adam Lallana - scored 7 alongside Steven Gerrard and Edin Dzeko,
5 Assists alonside Aguero, Mata, Hazard and Sturridge.

Not bad for a nancy-boy eh?

STID

*sings*
(He plays on the left, he plays on the riiight.........)
Adam Lallana - scored 7 alongside Steven Gerrard and Edin Dzeko, 5 Assists alonside Aguero, Mata, Hazard and Sturridge. Not bad for a nancy-boy eh? STID *sings* (He plays on the left, he plays on the riiight.........) st1halo
  • Score: 3

1:26am Mon 24 Feb 14

el caballo santos101 says...

mentally challenged, your giving yourself away with every post. I almost feel sorry for you!
happy-clappers, too-positives (rose coloured specs), Englishman several times, national pride, argies, hero-worshipping again many times, lalla did not belong in this league at the start of last season, nancy-boy, play like a man, little girls, too soft and the at the end the obligatory name calling of posters who have shown you to be a fool.
so not only are you a racist but your homophobic too boot! and you get aggressive towards others because they make you look and sound stupid!
I wont go over all the carp you've written about the team, manager and players you claim to support, but basically our who midfield most of the defence and half the attack are rubbish. how did we get to 9th in the league if they are all so bad? if lalla is as bad as you claim then you should get your CV into the FA quick, they are bound to sack roy and replace with you, after all you know so much about football that you put the rest of us and our manager in the shade. oh hang on they don't employ racist homophobes anymore! it must be awful carrying all the knowledge around in your head whilst the rest of us know nothing, how do you cope?

one more thing, you should really know, because you are a real fan aren't you, that our previous managers name is ADKINS! we never were managed by the bloke with the diet, that was poopey on their lose money quickly diet.
oh dear, as I said I almost pity you!
mentally challenged, your giving yourself away with every post. I almost feel sorry for you! happy-clappers, too-positives (rose coloured specs), Englishman several times, national pride, argies, hero-worshipping again many times, lalla did not belong in this league at the start of last season, nancy-boy, play like a man, little girls, too soft and the at the end the obligatory name calling of posters who have shown you to be a fool. so not only are you a racist but your homophobic too boot! and you get aggressive towards others because they make you look and sound stupid! I wont go over all the carp you've written about the team, manager and players you claim to support, but basically our who midfield most of the defence and half the attack are rubbish. how did we get to 9th in the league if they are all so bad? if lalla is as bad as you claim then you should get your CV into the FA quick, they are bound to sack roy and replace with you, after all you know so much about football that you put the rest of us and our manager in the shade. oh hang on they don't employ racist homophobes anymore! it must be awful carrying all the knowledge around in your head whilst the rest of us know nothing, how do you cope? one more thing, you should really know, because you are a real fan aren't you, that our previous managers name is ADKINS! we never were managed by the bloke with the diet, that was poopey on their lose money quickly diet. oh dear, as I said I almost pity you! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 2

4:27am Mon 24 Feb 14

SiamSaint says...

Dasal wrote:
Thecampster wrote:
Poch is puzzled,

Dear oh dear,

Certainly puzzled me last Sat.
FORGET LAST SATURDAY !
Move on FFS.............
Lots and lots of new handles on this forum today. Funny how that always happens when we lose
[quote][p][bold]Dasal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thecampster[/bold] wrote: Poch is puzzled, Dear oh dear, Certainly puzzled me last Sat.[/p][/quote]FORGET LAST SATURDAY ! Move on FFS.............[/p][/quote]Lots and lots of new handles on this forum today. Funny how that always happens when we lose SiamSaint
  • Score: 4

4:34am Mon 24 Feb 14

SiamSaint says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Very informative and nice to read an intelligent post from someone who clearly knows what he's talking about. MP's lack of knowledge of the English game is demonstrated by how he consistently fails to make substitutions early enough! What's the point of bringing JWP and Gallagher on in the 80th minute? Look at Mourihnio today he brought his three subs on with time to go and what happened? Chelsea won! Oh for a British manager!!!!!
Ah, yes, the famous Brit Joe Seymour Inyo. Just looking at the top of the table... not many British managers. Ok, you can have Big Fat Sam. HOOF!
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Very informative and nice to read an intelligent post from someone who clearly knows what he's talking about. MP's lack of knowledge of the English game is demonstrated by how he consistently fails to make substitutions early enough! What's the point of bringing JWP and Gallagher on in the 80th minute? Look at Mourihnio today he brought his three subs on with time to go and what happened? Chelsea won! Oh for a British manager!!!!![/p][/quote]Ah, yes, the famous Brit Joe Seymour Inyo. Just looking at the top of the table... not many British managers. Ok, you can have Big Fat Sam. HOOF! SiamSaint
  • Score: 1

4:41am Mon 24 Feb 14

SiamSaint says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...
Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).
I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks...
I had no expectations of any particular place. What's your point? I want to see good football and an improving side. Southampton aren't going to buy the league title from City/Chelsea/Utd., but you look for improvement and commitment. These kids are paid a lot of money to line up against the likes of Nolan, Noble, John Terry, Shawcross, etc. and if they, like Lallana, Ramirez, are not tough enough to be successful against these players, then I will be critical.
My point is quite simple...we are having a great season all told. You talk of wages...these lads are on lower wages than most of the other players you name. We currently sit in a league position above all of them (bar Terry).

Not bad at all if you ask me all said and done.
OK. You care solely about the table, and I care about the quality of the football and whether the team is improving. So, we have different concerns, and we disagree, when all is said and done. Enjoy your evening.
Quality of football: Ask any neutral what team they enjoy watching most htis season. It's generally us (assuming 'us' means saints to you.) And as for the team improving... we are ninth in the EPL. What the hell is your benchmark?
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]At the start of the season, where did you expect us to be in the league table by this stage? Just asking...[/p][/quote]Saints lack physical and mental toughness. They are a warm-weather squad. After the Hull City win on Nov. 9th, they were 6W 4D 1L for 22 points from 11 matches. Since then, 4W, 5D, 7L for 17 points from 16 matches. That, folks, is relegation form. This team is mentally-weak, has too many physically weak players like Ramirez, Lallana, and Cork, and has run out of answers. The manager continues to profess mystery at the losing and blaming Clattenburg today is pathetic, given that there was no controversy (never mind hair-splitting over the first goal).[/p][/quote]I asked a simple question...please answer it. Many thanks...[/p][/quote]I had no expectations of any particular place. What's your point? I want to see good football and an improving side. Southampton aren't going to buy the league title from City/Chelsea/Utd., but you look for improvement and commitment. These kids are paid a lot of money to line up against the likes of Nolan, Noble, John Terry, Shawcross, etc. and if they, like Lallana, Ramirez, are not tough enough to be successful against these players, then I will be critical.[/p][/quote]My point is quite simple...we are having a great season all told. You talk of wages...these lads are on lower wages than most of the other players you name. We currently sit in a league position above all of them (bar Terry). Not bad at all if you ask me all said and done.[/p][/quote]OK. You care solely about the table, and I care about the quality of the football and whether the team is improving. So, we have different concerns, and we disagree, when all is said and done. Enjoy your evening.[/p][/quote]Quality of football: Ask any neutral what team they enjoy watching most htis season. It's generally us (assuming 'us' means saints to you.) And as for the team improving... we are ninth in the EPL. What the hell is your benchmark? SiamSaint
  • Score: 1

4:47am Mon 24 Feb 14

SiamSaint says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Very informative and nice to read an intelligent post from someone who clearly knows what he's talking about. MP's lack of knowledge of the English game is demonstrated by how he consistently fails to make substitutions early enough! What's the point of bringing JWP and Gallagher on in the 80th minute? Look at Mourihnio today he brought his three subs on with time to go and what happened? Chelsea won! Oh for a British manager!!!!!
Ah, yes, the famous Brit Joe Seymour Inyo. Just looking at the top of the table... not many British managers. Ok, you can have Big Fat Sam. HOOF!
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.[/p][/quote]Very informative and nice to read an intelligent post from someone who clearly knows what he's talking about. MP's lack of knowledge of the English game is demonstrated by how he consistently fails to make substitutions early enough! What's the point of bringing JWP and Gallagher on in the 80th minute? Look at Mourihnio today he brought his three subs on with time to go and what happened? Chelsea won! Oh for a British manager!!!!![/p][/quote]Ah, yes, the famous Brit Joe Seymour Inyo. Just looking at the top of the table... not many British managers. Ok, you can have Big Fat Sam. HOOF! SiamSaint
  • Score: 0

4:56am Mon 24 Feb 14

SiamSaint says...

Anagram of Mark Clattenburg - Mark Cuntgel-Brat... or Grant Rectum-Balk... Mark Butterclang... Glen Bumcart-Kart
Anagram of Mark Clattenburg - Mark Cuntgel-Brat... or Grant Rectum-Balk... Mark Butterclang... Glen Bumcart-Kart SiamSaint
  • Score: 1

8:09am Mon 24 Feb 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

SiamSaint wrote:
Anagram of Mark Clattenburg - Mark Cuntgel-Brat... or Grant Rectum-Balk... Mark Butterclang... Glen Bumcart-Kart
All excellent names for a guy who once again, and despite the controversy surrounding his refereeing of Saints, got a game turning decision wrong again.
[quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: Anagram of Mark Clattenburg - Mark Cuntgel-Brat... or Grant Rectum-Balk... Mark Butterclang... Glen Bumcart-Kart[/p][/quote]All excellent names for a guy who once again, and despite the controversy surrounding his refereeing of Saints, got a game turning decision wrong again. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

8:14am Mon 24 Feb 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
FindAndDestroy wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Redflag14 wrote:
Rank Xerox wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Poch has had over a year in this league but he's unable to compete mentally with the likes of Allardyce. Maybe he needs to learn how to manage in England or take his ball and go home. They were well beaten by a tougher, more determined side. Look at the third goal: six defenders ball-watching, and Davis playing goal instead of marking Nolan four yards out. You don't "deserve" anything from a match when you play that poorly...and Yoshida on the second goal, no right foot, so doesn't turn the ball away from goal. Seems like a very likeable fellow, but there are girls playing Sunday league who are better with the ball than Yoshida. As for the first goal, it was tight, and anyone who has ever run a line can tell you that, when a pass comes from 20 yards away, the linesman can't be focused on both the runner and the player making the pass. As a keeper, I can tell you Boruc was poor on the challenge to Jarvis - he hasn't played well since coming back (but I'm generally quite pleased with his play). Poch is an excuse-maker with no answers. Time to start looking critically at whether he can adapt to English football.
Disappointed with all the thumbs down for the above post...I agree with all of it. The sooner some Saints fans get there head out of there what not and realise the only decent part of our team is midfield...hence the high possession rate we have. Defence today was a bit all over the place not clearing as they should do, and I'm running out of patience with Boruc who appears far too confident for his ability and the lack of real (on target) firepower up front.
The thumbs down doesn't have to be because they disagree, it may be that they don't like to hear what is being said, whether it correct or not. Also the repetition of the obvious can be annoying too, but I do agree with your last paragraph RX.
the thumbs down are because the poster is an obvious wum, nothing else!
suggesting that MP cant compete mentally with fat face sam? really?.
suggesting that there are girls in the sunday leagues who play better than Yoshi? really?
suggesting that MP cant adapt to English football? so taking us from near the bottom to a comfortable 8th in a year isn't adapting?
slating every player for slight mistakes? Yoshi? S.Davis? AB? where is the praise for what they did well?
and mostly to suggest that a professional linesman with all the training and experience that hes had can not spot an off-side right in front of him? the ball wasn't hit from the other end of the pitch, unusual for hoof, there weren't any players in his way, the sun wasn't in his eyes, the bubbles that hoof let off hadn't affected him and I don't think he saw a spaceship in the distance. no a professional linesman who is paid and trained well to do his job properly and to make the simple calls got it wrong! that's not MP or myself or other fans making excuses its a simple fact and the game changed because he made the wrong decision!
the only decent part of our game is he midfield? really? so if our defence isn't decent we must have let in more goals than most teams? well we`ve let in 32 goals this season, that's the same as spuds and Liverpool, both above us, and Newcastle, and only 1 more than manure, only 6 teams have let in less. attacking is no good either? well we`ve scored 38 goals so far this season, that's more than any team bellow us and spuds, everton, both above us. so there are only 5 teams who have scored more than us, the top 4 and manure, how much did each of those teams pay for their forward lines? how much do they pay for their defences? how much do they pay in wages? shrek has just signed a deal that will pay him over £15.5 mill a year for 4 years, spuds spent over £100 mill in transfer fees without adding wages. do you think we can pay that so that we have better forward and defensive lines?
to think that we have been able to compete consistently with teams with that sort of spending power is a credit to our academy, our management, our club and the way its being run. we have absolutely no right to be in the prem, Leeds have bigger gates than we do and have achieved more than we have yet they have been out of the prem for 10 years.
finishing this season in 7th,8th,9th or even 10th will be a big improvement on last season and not shabby for a team with, as you say, poor forward and defensive lines.
Just let the blokes have their point of view - you are another one on here who is always shouting down others for taking a contrary view. I've not read through all your lengthy posts - don't have the inclination or the time to be honest - but this Saints team has to change. To my mind there is too much passing involved and our players are not getting coached to run at opposition defenders - perhaps this is why Clynne is out of favour as he is one of the few who actually does this. We have all this possession which to often amounts to nothing because no one is prepared to run and turn defenders and yet that is how you create decent chances to score goals and win football matche