People will think 'good riddance' says Le Tiss

Basingstoke Gazette: Matt Le Tissier in his playing days. Matt Le Tissier in his playing days.

SAINTS legend Matt Le Tissier reacted to the news of Nicola Cortese’s departure from St Mary’s by admitting: A lot of people will be thinking ‘Good Riddance’.

Le Tissier had a number of high profile spats with the former chairman, saying: “He upset quite a lot of people with the way he conducted his business.

“We had our own differences of opinions but I didn’t lose any sleep over it.

“There will probably be a lot of fans, who are only concerned about what happens on the pitch, who will think this is bad thing for the club, which is quite understandable, “But I think anybody who’s had any dealings with the man [Cortese] will think completely differently “If he had gone about his business in a different way he would have been a huge hero with everybody.”

Le Tissier revealed he thought “there must be something wrong” at St Mary’s as his great friend Franny Benali’s stadium ban was recently ended.

Benali had been banned by Cortese from attending games at St Mary’s until earlier this month.

“The fact Franny got a phone call 10 days ago saying he was welcome back at the club, I thought there must be something wrong,” Le Tissier commented.

“We won’t ever really know what’s gone on, though, because all we get is (Cortese’s) PR, and the Liebherrs don’t make any comments in public.”

Benali had previously taken legal action after Saints rented his Chilworth mansion for nine months, so that Cortese and his family could live there after his appointment. The former Dell defender alleged that the club breached the lease agreement by failing to make certain payments and by not maintaining the property to an adequate standard.

Matt Le Tissier believes it was vital to the stability of Saints that Mauricio Pochettino chose to remain as the club’s manager.

The Argentine’s position was the subject of uncertainty after chairman Nicola Cortese left the club this week.

However, Pochettino confirmed this afternoon that he intends to stay.

“I think that was important,” he said. “We have had enough changes of manager, so I think it was important for the stability of the club that the manager stayed, and I think it was important to the players as well that the manager stayed.

“It sends out a good signal to the players that things aren’t falling apart.”

As for what he thinks needs to happen now, Le Tissier added: “I think firstly the fans would like some reassurance, which Mauricio has given a bit, so that was good, in terms of saying players are not for sale as well, although he deflected the Luke Shaw issue back onto the owner.

“The most important thing is that the fans stick behind the team and hopefully the Liebherr family don’t want to sell up straight away, which I think is the main worry for everybody.”

The Saints legend insisted he was not shocked by this week’s sudden departure of Cortese.

“I’m not overly surprised,” he said. “Obviously, something was going on with what happened in the summer and it always seemed to be a pretty tenuous relationship that they had there.

“The fact Franny (Benali) got a phone call 10 days ago saying he was welcome back at the club, I thought there must be something wrong.

“We won’t ever really know what’s gone on, though, because all we get is (Cortese’s) PR, and the Liebherrs don’t make any comments in public.”

Le Tissier also addressed the issue of the week’s events on his internet blog.

“There will probably be a lot of fans, who are only concerned about what happens on the pitch, who will think this is bad thing for the club, which is quite understandable.

“But I think anybody who’s had any dealings with the man [Cortese] will think completely differently.

“A lot of them will think “Good riddance” to be honest because he upset quite a lot of people with the way he conducted his business.

“We had our own differences of opinions but I didn’t lose any sleep over it.

“The fact he’s actually chosen to walk away at a fairly crucial time in the transfer window, with a couple of weeks left to strengthen the squad, proves he didn’t have the best interest of the club at heart.

“It was always a case with him of having the best interest of Nicola Cortese’s heart.

“If he had gone about his business in a different way he would have been a huge hero with everybody.

“It was a shame that there were bits he did off the field that he kind of spoilt when everything else was going so well.”

Le Tissier’s blog features on the goaldengoals.co.uk website.

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6:34am Sat 18 Jan 14

batesieboy says...

Thanks for your thoughtful, insightful comments Matt. Are you still in touch with that bloke who lives with his Mum and Dad?
Thanks for your thoughtful, insightful comments Matt. Are you still in touch with that bloke who lives with his Mum and Dad? batesieboy
  • Score: 15

6:41am Sat 18 Jan 14

Southampton boy says...

We all know that KL wants to sell the club she only took it on in memory of her father, it is widely being talked about thnat the CE of Liverpool at the time it was sold is going to be the new CE of Southampton is that so he can get the best price for the club, can NC buy a club that he is CE off! So I would not be supprize to see NC come over the summer with new owners.
I am not a great fan of NC but he would ensure that there is money in the club so all I am saying is watch this space
We all know that KL wants to sell the club she only took it on in memory of her father, it is widely being talked about thnat the CE of Liverpool at the time it was sold is going to be the new CE of Southampton is that so he can get the best price for the club, can NC buy a club that he is CE off! So I would not be supprize to see NC come over the summer with new owners. I am not a great fan of NC but he would ensure that there is money in the club so all I am saying is watch this space Southampton boy
  • Score: 4

6:45am Sat 18 Jan 14

andoru says...

Don't get me wrong, I love Le Tiss, but I do think he's enjoying this. Having been marginalized these past few years, he'll be hoping he can return to prominence in the Southampton world now Cortese has gone. I think we have to take everything he says with a slight pinch of salt. It's no secret he and Nicola didn't see eye to eye.
Don't get me wrong, I love Le Tiss, but I do think he's enjoying this. Having been marginalized these past few years, he'll be hoping he can return to prominence in the Southampton world now Cortese has gone. I think we have to take everything he says with a slight pinch of salt. It's no secret he and Nicola didn't see eye to eye. andoru
  • Score: 48

7:16am Sat 18 Jan 14

Velleity says...

It might be better to learn from Cortese and keep your arguments behind closed doors, Matt.
It might be better to learn from Cortese and keep your arguments behind closed doors, Matt. Velleity
  • Score: 75

7:31am Sat 18 Jan 14

elvisimo says...

You were great matt but please keep your mouth shut. It is not some old boys club for the likes of you and Bengalis to relive you 'glory' days, it's 2014 and a club needs to be a modern adaptive business if it is to survive at this level.
You were great matt but please keep your mouth shut. It is not some old boys club for the likes of you and Bengalis to relive you 'glory' days, it's 2014 and a club needs to be a modern adaptive business if it is to survive at this level. elvisimo
  • Score: 76

7:35am Sat 18 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

Much like big mac who now rights in the echo about all football except about SFC, Le Tiss would be better place keeping it to himself. He's bitter about the fall out cortese had with property developer benali.

cortese may just reappear one day, football business is about today. History is about the fans so le tiss and big mac need to milk that cow away from the club.

Sadly le tiss lost my respect when he admitted taking money to create a throw in, if the opposition scored from that and we lost he would be guilty of contempt for SFC, can't beleive he is still allowed to even commentate.

Like so many they'd sell their granny to sell a book.
Much like big mac who now rights in the echo about all football except about SFC, Le Tiss would be better place keeping it to himself. He's bitter about the fall out cortese had with property developer benali. cortese may just reappear one day, football business is about today. History is about the fans so le tiss and big mac need to milk that cow away from the club. Sadly le tiss lost my respect when he admitted taking money to create a throw in, if the opposition scored from that and we lost he would be guilty of contempt for SFC, can't beleive he is still allowed to even commentate. Like so many they'd sell their granny to sell a book. issacchunt
  • Score: 13

7:36am Sat 18 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

Writes. Oh dear
Writes. Oh dear issacchunt
  • Score: 2

7:48am Sat 18 Jan 14

Tony Robertson says...

Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table.
As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been.
You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away.

Tony Robertson, Stranraer
Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table. As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been. You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away. Tony Robertson, Stranraer Tony Robertson
  • Score: -23

8:02am Sat 18 Jan 14

JMC says...

Le tiss entitled to his opinion, some are sad to see the don him go others not. He admitted his feelings were personal. Considering what we have gone through the last ten years. This is not an all time low. We have a great foundation that most people would love to build on. As long as i dont see lowe again!
Le tiss entitled to his opinion, some are sad to see the don him go others not. He admitted his feelings were personal. Considering what we have gone through the last ten years. This is not an all time low. We have a great foundation that most people would love to build on. As long as i dont see lowe again! JMC
  • Score: 29

8:08am Sat 18 Jan 14

Prit says...

I really hoped we had seen the end of all this nonsense. Love him or hate him it makes little difference to the fact that NC was good for SFC. His role here was not based on his popularity with the fans. It was all about the success of SFC as a business and at that he excelled.
I can almost smell the rubber burning as the Echo sped off to get a quote from MLT knowing full well what he was going to say.

Sad Echo, very sad.
I really hoped we had seen the end of all this nonsense. Love him or hate him it makes little difference to the fact that NC was good for SFC. His role here was not based on his popularity with the fans. It was all about the success of SFC as a business and at that he excelled. I can almost smell the rubber burning as the Echo sped off to get a quote from MLT knowing full well what he was going to say. Sad Echo, very sad. Prit
  • Score: 40

8:14am Sat 18 Jan 14

iow-is-red-and-white says...

Le Tiss, legend as a footballer, good pundit, but completely useless when it comes to Business and PR. As others have commented, some things are best not said in the media. Cortese took that to the extreme but you can never accuse him of talking personal nonsense in public, he was always very assured and calculated unlike Le Tiss.

Also, DE, a clear concise article makes good reading, what is the point of writing everything twice? You seriously need to improve the standard of some of the amateurish reports
Le Tiss, legend as a footballer, good pundit, but completely useless when it comes to Business and PR. As others have commented, some things are best not said in the media. Cortese took that to the extreme but you can never accuse him of talking personal nonsense in public, he was always very assured and calculated unlike Le Tiss. Also, DE, a clear concise article makes good reading, what is the point of writing everything twice? You seriously need to improve the standard of some of the amateurish reports iow-is-red-and-white
  • Score: 44

8:15am Sat 18 Jan 14

saintforever says...

how long have you waited for this mlt? seriously gone down in my estimation - you were better when your footie did the talking.
how long have you waited for this mlt? seriously gone down in my estimation - you were better when your footie did the talking. saintforever
  • Score: 23

8:17am Sat 18 Jan 14

hedge end bob says...

Nicola was MARMITE , you loved him or ou hated him. How many out of 100 people can honestly say, i like my boss?
Me i admire what he did for our club so i ate him up.. Reported yesterday NO PLAYERS FOR SALE Matty.
Nicola was MARMITE , you loved him or ou hated him. How many out of 100 people can honestly say, i like my boss? Me i admire what he did for our club so i ate him up.. Reported yesterday NO PLAYERS FOR SALE Matty. hedge end bob
  • Score: 24

8:19am Sat 18 Jan 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

Both N.C. & M.L.T. have done a great job with their time at S.F.C.
in totally different ways . Matt had the skill , but NOT really the sharpest knife in the drawer . N.C. had vision and financial skill to rebuild from the depths of HELL . Whether you love or hate either , they BOTH done good for the club . Today is another day , its move on and hopefully what ever the future , its a 100 % better place than the Lowe years C O Y R support the team and the club
Both N.C. & M.L.T. have done a great job with their time at S.F.C. in totally different ways . Matt had the skill , but NOT really the sharpest knife in the drawer . N.C. had vision and financial skill to rebuild from the depths of HELL . Whether you love or hate either , they BOTH done good for the club . Today is another day , its move on and hopefully what ever the future , its a 100 % better place than the Lowe years C O Y R support the team and the club SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 20

8:23am Sat 18 Jan 14

joenice1 says...

MLT, have to say I completely agree with you. lets just get behind the team. COYS :)
MLT, have to say I completely agree with you. lets just get behind the team. COYS :) joenice1
  • Score: -16

8:24am Sat 18 Jan 14

mack chinnon says...

Southampton boy wrote:
We all know that KL wants to sell the club she only took it on in memory of her father, it is widely being talked about thnat the CE of Liverpool at the time it was sold is going to be the new CE of Southampton is that so he can get the best price for the club, can NC buy a club that he is CE off! So I would not be supprize to see NC come over the summer with new owners.
I am not a great fan of NC but he would ensure that there is money in the club so all I am saying is watch this space
Much as I was impressed with the work N.C. has done I dont think we will see the pasta eating surrender monkey back here.
[quote][p][bold]Southampton boy[/bold] wrote: We all know that KL wants to sell the club she only took it on in memory of her father, it is widely being talked about thnat the CE of Liverpool at the time it was sold is going to be the new CE of Southampton is that so he can get the best price for the club, can NC buy a club that he is CE off! So I would not be supprize to see NC come over the summer with new owners. I am not a great fan of NC but he would ensure that there is money in the club so all I am saying is watch this space[/p][/quote]Much as I was impressed with the work N.C. has done I dont think we will see the pasta eating surrender monkey back here. mack chinnon
  • Score: -40

8:24am Sat 18 Jan 14

AndyAndrews says...

Keep up the good work Matt. Shame people have forgotten the years you gave the Saints. Good riddance to Cortese was my very first reaction too. It's not just about success on the field: Saints used to be a happy family club and since Lowe and Cortese it's not.
Keep up the good work Matt. Shame people have forgotten the years you gave the Saints. Good riddance to Cortese was my very first reaction too. It's not just about success on the field: Saints used to be a happy family club and since Lowe and Cortese it's not. AndyAndrews
  • Score: -38

8:26am Sat 18 Jan 14

Goalscoringmachine says...

elvisimo wrote:
You were great matt but please keep your mouth shut. It is not some old boys club for the likes of you and Bengalis to relive you 'glory' days, it's 2014 and a club needs to be a modern adaptive business if it is to survive at this level.
Spot on, it is that type of business that NC was delivering.

This is not over yet as KL clearly wants out of football altogether and as ever, the one person we have not heard from is NC, I suspect he has a plan.

As for ML, the only reputation he damages with comments that suggest NC was only in it for himself is his own.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: You were great matt but please keep your mouth shut. It is not some old boys club for the likes of you and Bengalis to relive you 'glory' days, it's 2014 and a club needs to be a modern adaptive business if it is to survive at this level.[/p][/quote]Spot on, it is that type of business that NC was delivering. This is not over yet as KL clearly wants out of football altogether and as ever, the one person we have not heard from is NC, I suspect he has a plan. As for ML, the only reputation he damages with comments that suggest NC was only in it for himself is his own. Goalscoringmachine
  • Score: 19

8:27am Sat 18 Jan 14

hedge end bob says...

Southampton boy wrote:
We all know that KL wants to sell the club she only took it on in memory of her father, it is widely being talked about thnat the CE of Liverpool at the time it was sold is going to be the new CE of Southampton is that so he can get the best price for the club, can NC buy a club that he is CE off! So I would not be supprize to see NC come over the summer with new owners. I am not a great fan of NC but he would ensure that there is money in the club so all I am saying is watch this space
Everyone bar me, Katharina has not told me her future plans. Tell me hat kind of person is she ?? . Does she even like football , or even our city ??. Must be nice to be privilaged.
[quote][p][bold]Southampton boy[/bold] wrote: We all know that KL wants to sell the club she only took it on in memory of her father, it is widely being talked about thnat the CE of Liverpool at the time it was sold is going to be the new CE of Southampton is that so he can get the best price for the club, can NC buy a club that he is CE off! So I would not be supprize to see NC come over the summer with new owners. I am not a great fan of NC but he would ensure that there is money in the club so all I am saying is watch this space[/p][/quote]Everyone bar me, Katharina has not told me her future plans. Tell me hat kind of person is she ?? . Does she even like football , or even our city ??. Must be nice to be privilaged. hedge end bob
  • Score: 3

8:27am Sat 18 Jan 14

milton road says...

Matt you were a great player and kept us in the prem for years. But Cortese saved the club from extinction, he persuaded Markus to buy us. You have lost sleep over it because you keep dredging it all up.
I don't know if it is because he succeeded where you failed in procuring a deal for the club. Yet it is not cool mate. All you do is devalue yourself with most fans with this stuff. Whatever faults you think he had, he had public integrity wish you could show a little more.
I for one would love to see him come back and take this club over and I am sure many more feel the same.
Its time to move on from your fixation over NC.
Matt you were a great player and kept us in the prem for years. But Cortese saved the club from extinction, he persuaded Markus to buy us. You have lost sleep over it because you keep dredging it all up. I don't know if it is because he succeeded where you failed in procuring a deal for the club. Yet it is not cool mate. All you do is devalue yourself with most fans with this stuff. Whatever faults you think he had, he had public integrity wish you could show a little more. I for one would love to see him come back and take this club over and I am sure many more feel the same. Its time to move on from your fixation over NC. milton road
  • Score: 47

8:31am Sat 18 Jan 14

Tony in Liberia says...

My wife gave me a very sensible piece of advice when I went out for a beer with a close friend when he and his wife seperated - don't say anything bad about her; they may well get back together. Unfortunately I was unable to stop myself from joining in when he was **** about her. Lo & behold, 3 months later they were back together, and m mate found it hard to forgive the nasty things I'd said about his wife .... I should of listened to my wife - she's a bl**dy psychologist afer all, and knows stuff - and kept my comments to "umm" and "I see" and so on.

Matt should consider the same - NC might well be back in the summer, with a new owner and a more powerful position, and I can't see him letting Matt back into the playground for a long, long time to come.
My wife gave me a very sensible piece of advice when I went out for a beer with a close friend when he and his wife seperated - don't say anything bad about her; they may well get back together. Unfortunately I was unable to stop myself from joining in when he was **** about her. Lo & behold, 3 months later they were back together, and m mate found it hard to forgive the nasty things I'd said about his wife .... I should of listened to my wife - she's a bl**dy psychologist afer all, and knows stuff - and kept my comments to "umm" and "I see" and so on. Matt should consider the same - NC might well be back in the summer, with a new owner and a more powerful position, and I can't see him letting Matt back into the playground for a long, long time to come. Tony in Liberia
  • Score: 36

8:32am Sat 18 Jan 14

Saint. says...

DE so easy to keep taking pop shots, and yet not finding out the facts!

Who to say NC ordered the call?

Matt love you and always will but even you know it would be best to keep your mouth shut here! It not important that the man running the club must be friend you at your terms. Looking from out here I just think you two just had issues in the messing around of the takeover! That got messy and you lost and backed the wrong horse! I am not surprised he would warm to so much as you accidentally made his takeover more difficult than may be it should of been!

Matt and DE you are missing one thing! Under NC we was all as one!! From players, to manager to fans! Now your all excited that NC gone on personal level and our manager has stayed! I say you are both short sighted. May is fast approaching and as it gets closer who will start worrying if MP leaves!! Under NC we would not worry, and we kept our young talent for Southampton FC! Come summer all Saints could be worrying very worrying!

Finally DE you are true to form at Writing as much crap as you can about NC! It's sickening, for a man who found little trust in you and yet a man who brought the club to top table and more. And you revel in his departure. We all our a lot to NC try and accept that with out swiping the man all the time!
DE so easy to keep taking pop shots, and yet not finding out the facts! Who to say NC ordered the call? Matt love you and always will but even you know it would be best to keep your mouth shut here! It not important that the man running the club must be friend you at your terms. Looking from out here I just think you two just had issues in the messing around of the takeover! That got messy and you lost and backed the wrong horse! I am not surprised he would warm to so much as you accidentally made his takeover more difficult than may be it should of been! Matt and DE you are missing one thing! Under NC we was all as one!! From players, to manager to fans! Now your all excited that NC gone on personal level and our manager has stayed! I say you are both short sighted. May is fast approaching and as it gets closer who will start worrying if MP leaves!! Under NC we would not worry, and we kept our young talent for Southampton FC! Come summer all Saints could be worrying very worrying! Finally DE you are true to form at Writing as much crap as you can about NC! It's sickening, for a man who found little trust in you and yet a man who brought the club to top table and more. And you revel in his departure. We all our a lot to NC try and accept that with out swiping the man all the time! Saint.
  • Score: 33

8:33am Sat 18 Jan 14

craige says...

Same old normal drivel from Le Tiss. He is quite frankly a former employee who can't accept that the business has moved on.
Same old normal drivel from Le Tiss. He is quite frankly a former employee who can't accept that the business has moved on. craige
  • Score: 16

8:35am Sat 18 Jan 14

hedge end bob says...

Katharina will sell the club eventually, everybody does. Lets hope lightening do strike twice and there is an another KARKUS in this world.
Katharina will sell the club eventually, everybody does. Lets hope lightening do strike twice and there is an another KARKUS in this world. hedge end bob
  • Score: 3

8:37am Sat 18 Jan 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Nothing wrong with standing by your mate....but the high profile mud slinging has not done Matt any favours imo.
Nothing wrong with standing by your mate....but the high profile mud slinging has not done Matt any favours imo. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 29

8:42am Sat 18 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

AndyAndrews wrote:
Keep up the good work Matt. Shame people have forgotten the years you gave the Saints. Good riddance to Cortese was my very first reaction too. It's not just about success on the field: Saints used to be a happy family club and since Lowe and Cortese it's not.
Try not to get emotional little one, of course it's about success on the field. It's not a charity.
[quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Keep up the good work Matt. Shame people have forgotten the years you gave the Saints. Good riddance to Cortese was my very first reaction too. It's not just about success on the field: Saints used to be a happy family club and since Lowe and Cortese it's not.[/p][/quote]Try not to get emotional little one, of course it's about success on the field. It's not a charity. issacchunt
  • Score: 4

8:54am Sat 18 Jan 14

Costa Baz says...

Nothing wrong with Matt saying what he thinks, and it was nailed on that he would be asked for his opinion.
Sticks and stones, and all that.

IMO, Matt is wrong in making his comment about some fans only caring about what happens on the pitch.

Cortese gave us more than just results. He gave us hope. He gave us ambition. He gave us drive. He gave us a dream, that we could, one day, mix it with the big clubs, on a level footing.
THAT is what the fans cared about.

Yes, he was, by all accounts, a Jeckyl and Hyde type of character, but no one is perfect, and I won't defend or excuse NC's behaviour.

I've heard an expression "Genius is one step away from insanity".

Not saying NC is a genius, but what he has achieved, in such a short period of time, is nothing short of amazing.
Nothing wrong with Matt saying what he thinks, and it was nailed on that he would be asked for his opinion. Sticks and stones, and all that. IMO, Matt is wrong in making his comment about some fans only caring about what happens on the pitch. Cortese gave us more than just results. He gave us hope. He gave us ambition. He gave us drive. He gave us a dream, that we could, one day, mix it with the big clubs, on a level footing. THAT is what the fans cared about. Yes, he was, by all accounts, a Jeckyl and Hyde type of character, but no one is perfect, and I won't defend or excuse NC's behaviour. I've heard an expression "Genius is one step away from insanity". Not saying NC is a genius, but what he has achieved, in such a short period of time, is nothing short of amazing. Costa Baz
  • Score: 36

9:05am Sat 18 Jan 14

ghk230473 says...

Tony Robertson wrote:
Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table.
As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been.
You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away.

Tony Robertson, Stranraer
This is blasphemy!
[quote][p][bold]Tony Robertson[/bold] wrote: Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table. As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been. You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away. Tony Robertson, Stranraer[/p][/quote]This is blasphemy! ghk230473
  • Score: 8

9:10am Sat 18 Jan 14

Swissowned says...

milton road wrote:
Matt you were a great player and kept us in the prem for years. But Cortese saved the club from extinction, he persuaded Markus to buy us. You have lost sleep over it because you keep dredging it all up.
I don't know if it is because he succeeded where you failed in procuring a deal for the club. Yet it is not cool mate. All you do is devalue yourself with most fans with this stuff. Whatever faults you think he had, he had public integrity wish you could show a little more.
I for one would love to see him come back and take this club over and I am sure many more feel the same.
Its time to move on from your fixation over NC.
Let us never forget that for several years we were considered a one man team and Matty was pretty much the difference in keeping us in the top tier . Had we been relegated on any of those occasions then we may all be supporting a very different club today.

So to look at things in a different light you could say that Matty has saved our club from oblivion on several occasions by staying loyal to this club. MLT is a saints legend.

In the next 10, 20 or 30 years the club could be sold several times over with various chairmen in the hot seat. But MLT will always be here supporting and loving the club as a fan like the rest of us.

We all make mistakes and errors of judgement. NC has certainly made some too. I'm disappointed at the level of negativity on here for one of our club legends. I am equally disappointed NC has left.

What I guess I'm trying to get across is lets all unite, be positive and leave the negativity, pointing of fingers and hatred behind.
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Matt you were a great player and kept us in the prem for years. But Cortese saved the club from extinction, he persuaded Markus to buy us. You have lost sleep over it because you keep dredging it all up. I don't know if it is because he succeeded where you failed in procuring a deal for the club. Yet it is not cool mate. All you do is devalue yourself with most fans with this stuff. Whatever faults you think he had, he had public integrity wish you could show a little more. I for one would love to see him come back and take this club over and I am sure many more feel the same. Its time to move on from your fixation over NC.[/p][/quote]Let us never forget that for several years we were considered a one man team and Matty was pretty much the difference in keeping us in the top tier . Had we been relegated on any of those occasions then we may all be supporting a very different club today. So to look at things in a different light you could say that Matty has saved our club from oblivion on several occasions by staying loyal to this club. MLT is a saints legend. In the next 10, 20 or 30 years the club could be sold several times over with various chairmen in the hot seat. But MLT will always be here supporting and loving the club as a fan like the rest of us. We all make mistakes and errors of judgement. NC has certainly made some too. I'm disappointed at the level of negativity on here for one of our club legends. I am equally disappointed NC has left. What I guess I'm trying to get across is lets all unite, be positive and leave the negativity, pointing of fingers and hatred behind. Swissowned
  • Score: 10

9:17am Sat 18 Jan 14

lowemustgo says...

I am not one of those who say 'good riddance', but I do agree that if NC cared more about the club than himself, he would not have left now.
NC is a banker and he made a finders fee (rather like a football agent) from buying the club for Saint Marcus.
Marcus loved football, NC didn't. For NC it was strictly business and very good he was at it too..
We can be sure that NC would not have given up his job in Switzerland to run SFC for Saint Marcus without an exit clause that rewarded him handsomely for a successful sale after four to five years. Investment bankers buy and sell businesses for a living, so when it comes to their own rewards, we can be sure that they take care of their own.
It was a five year project, buy cheap, rebuild and sell when back in the Prem.
While he was alive, Saint Marcus trusted NC to dictate the running of the club as its sole Director.
When the family trust took over, it would have been best practice for one or more of its advisors to join the board and for normal corporate governance rules to apply. Think of Blackburn Rovers which was (successfully) run by the late Jack Walker's will trust (from Jersey) for more than ten years.
For some reason NC wanted to keep sole control of the project and refused to work with the Liebherr will trustees. We can speculate that he was actually more of a buyer than a seller of the club, and he may come back as such.
But we can be sure that by resigning, NC will have given up his significant bonus to be earned when the club is sold by the Liebherrs. He would only have done that if 1) there was no prospect of his bonus ever being earned or 2) he had a conflict of interest in being the sole Director representing the Liebherrs in a sale (perhaps where he was the intended buyer) or 3) he had had enough of living in the UK and wanted back to Europe.
Was he a good businessman -Yes.
Did he have his faults like everyone else - Yes.
Was SFC a 'model' for how a PL club should be run - mostly, but not from the corporate governance point of view as nobody but NC seemed to have a say in anything. Certainly not the fans.
Will NC learn from this experience - you bet he will be back somewhere else in sports management, just like Mo Po learned from his time managing Espanyol.
Do we wish NC well in the future - yes.
Do we love the Liebherrs more - yes.
The king is dead, long live the queen -COYR.
I am not one of those who say 'good riddance', but I do agree that if NC cared more about the club than himself, he would not have left now. NC is a banker and he made a finders fee (rather like a football agent) from buying the club for Saint Marcus. Marcus loved football, NC didn't. For NC it was strictly business and very good he was at it too.. We can be sure that NC would not have given up his job in Switzerland to run SFC for Saint Marcus without an exit clause that rewarded him handsomely for a successful sale after four to five years. Investment bankers buy and sell businesses for a living, so when it comes to their own rewards, we can be sure that they take care of their own. It was a five year project, buy cheap, rebuild and sell when back in the Prem. While he was alive, Saint Marcus trusted NC to dictate the running of the club as its sole Director. When the family trust took over, it would have been best practice for one or more of its advisors to join the board and for normal corporate governance rules to apply. Think of Blackburn Rovers which was (successfully) run by the late Jack Walker's will trust (from Jersey) for more than ten years. For some reason NC wanted to keep sole control of the project and refused to work with the Liebherr will trustees. We can speculate that he was actually more of a buyer than a seller of the club, and he may come back as such. But we can be sure that by resigning, NC will have given up his significant bonus to be earned when the club is sold by the Liebherrs. He would only have done that if 1) there was no prospect of his bonus ever being earned or 2) he had a conflict of interest in being the sole Director representing the Liebherrs in a sale (perhaps where he was the intended buyer) or 3) he had had enough of living in the UK and wanted back to Europe. Was he a good businessman -Yes. Did he have his faults like everyone else - Yes. Was SFC a 'model' for how a PL club should be run - mostly, but not from the corporate governance point of view as nobody but NC seemed to have a say in anything. Certainly not the fans. Will NC learn from this experience - you bet he will be back somewhere else in sports management, just like Mo Po learned from his time managing Espanyol. Do we wish NC well in the future - yes. Do we love the Liebherrs more - yes. The king is dead, long live the queen -COYR. lowemustgo
  • Score: 15

9:19am Sat 18 Jan 14

costa gaz says...

Can't quite believe the hero worshipping to a chairman of a football club, he was a head of department who was very highly paid to do his job.
He trod on lot's of peoples toes to achieve his goals and did not ever think of the consequences his actions.
The timing of his leaving could not have been worse.
People keep on about what he did for the club, but surely that is history now, and a lot of you refuse to accept that this club has any history apart from the last 5 years mmmm.....
Some of this adoration is similar to teenage girls screaming over Harry Styles.... keep it real fellas.
Can't quite believe the hero worshipping to a chairman of a football club, he was a head of department who was very highly paid to do his job. He trod on lot's of peoples toes to achieve his goals and did not ever think of the consequences his actions. The timing of his leaving could not have been worse. People keep on about what he did for the club, but surely that is history now, and a lot of you refuse to accept that this club has any history apart from the last 5 years mmmm..... Some of this adoration is similar to teenage girls screaming over Harry Styles.... keep it real fellas. costa gaz
  • Score: -13

9:28am Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I think MLT may have misread the mood of many, yes there are a few who have good cause to dislike NC, but surely not for what he achieved, this was never a popularity contest, it was all about results. His methods were different and ruffled many feathers, But we could never have reached 9th in the Premier without some good work, coming from his style of management. Things are naturally going to change and may not all be to some peoples liking, but keep the faith and we will come through. It is behind us now, look to the future, it's looking bright it's red and white, COYRs.
I think MLT may have misread the mood of many, yes there are a few who have good cause to dislike NC, but surely not for what he achieved, this was never a popularity contest, it was all about results. His methods were different and ruffled many feathers, But we could never have reached 9th in the Premier without some good work, coming from his style of management. Things are naturally going to change and may not all be to some peoples liking, but keep the faith and we will come through. It is behind us now, look to the future, it's looking bright it's red and white, COYRs. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 9

9:41am Sat 18 Jan 14

mack chinnon says...

CharlieGeorgesMissin
gFinger
wrote:
Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.
Thumbs up Charlie. Oops, sorry.
[quote][p][bold]CharlieGeorgesMissin gFinger[/bold] wrote: Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.[/p][/quote]Thumbs up Charlie. Oops, sorry. mack chinnon
  • Score: -5

9:44am Sat 18 Jan 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

Tony Robertson wrote:
Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table.
As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been.
You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away.

Tony Robertson, Stranraer
best player in saints history ,what would you know about football in the wastelands of jockoland.
[quote][p][bold]Tony Robertson[/bold] wrote: Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table. As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been. You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away. Tony Robertson, Stranraer[/p][/quote]best player in saints history ,what would you know about football in the wastelands of jockoland. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.
  • Score: -4

9:51am Sat 18 Jan 14

Kingsland Shareholder says...

Sorry, Matthew - you're wrong yet again. SFC are far stronger now than they would have been if the Leon Crouch consortium for which you would have been Chairman had taken over. I suspect that with the likely infighting that may have taken place SFC could have been in a similar position now to those at the other end of the M27. Great player, good pundit but I wouldn't let you run a bath for me never mind a football club.
Sorry, Matthew - you're wrong yet again. SFC are far stronger now than they would have been if the Leon Crouch consortium for which you would have been Chairman had taken over. I suspect that with the likely infighting that may have taken place SFC could have been in a similar position now to those at the other end of the M27. Great player, good pundit but I wouldn't let you run a bath for me never mind a football club. Kingsland Shareholder
  • Score: 20

9:55am Sat 18 Jan 14

Clever Dick says...

mack chinnon wrote:
CharlieGeorgesMissin

gFinger
wrote:
Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.
Thumbs up Charlie. Oops, sorry.
Le Tiss was a legend and kept us in the top tier almost singlehandedly . We owe him for that.He also backed the wrong horse when the club was in dire need of a saviour. Nicola Cortese was the man with the vision and Marcus the man with the money. They not only saved this club but got us two promotions in a row and we are now comfortable in the Prem. That's a near miracle. I for one hope there is a master plan for him to come back. He may be difficult to work with but as they say football is a results driven business.
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CharlieGeorgesMissin gFinger[/bold] wrote: Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.[/p][/quote]Thumbs up Charlie. Oops, sorry.[/p][/quote]Le Tiss was a legend and kept us in the top tier almost singlehandedly . We owe him for that.He also backed the wrong horse when the club was in dire need of a saviour. Nicola Cortese was the man with the vision and Marcus the man with the money. They not only saved this club but got us two promotions in a row and we are now comfortable in the Prem. That's a near miracle. I for one hope there is a master plan for him to come back. He may be difficult to work with but as they say football is a results driven business. Clever Dick
  • Score: 16

9:56am Sat 18 Jan 14

alan.of.eastleigh says...

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
Tony Robertson wrote:
Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table.
As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been.
You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away.

Tony Robertson, Stranraer
best player in saints history ,what would you know about football in the wastelands of jockoland.
Best player in saints history. Worst ambassador for club.
[quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony Robertson[/bold] wrote: Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table. As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been. You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away. Tony Robertson, Stranraer[/p][/quote]best player in saints history ,what would you know about football in the wastelands of jockoland.[/p][/quote]Best player in saints history. Worst ambassador for club. alan.of.eastleigh
  • Score: 12

10:08am Sat 18 Jan 14

C.R.R.A says...

Cortese comes across as a bully boy who runs away when someone stands up to him.
Cortese comes across as a bully boy who runs away when someone stands up to him. C.R.R.A
  • Score: -8

10:09am Sat 18 Jan 14

costa gaz says...

Man Utd have won the lot, but I've never heard Man U fans worshipping the Glazers like a lot of you are doing.
Most Chelsea fans hate Abromovich.
Kroenke and Usmanov are not revered at Arsenal, Newcastle are doing alright, but you don't see any sort of love in between the geordies and Ashley do you?
The truth is he is a nasty little banker who did everything for himself whilst you lot kept on massaging his ego.
Given the money he had at his disposal we should have been doing a lot better.
He thought he was so special that no one was allowed to sit next to him at games and at the end of the day he treated us, the fans, with total contempt.
Sorry if this upsets some of you but it is the truth.
Man Utd have won the lot, but I've never heard Man U fans worshipping the Glazers like a lot of you are doing. Most Chelsea fans hate Abromovich. Kroenke and Usmanov are not revered at Arsenal, Newcastle are doing alright, but you don't see any sort of love in between the geordies and Ashley do you? The truth is he is a nasty little banker who did everything for himself whilst you lot kept on massaging his ego. Given the money he had at his disposal we should have been doing a lot better. He thought he was so special that no one was allowed to sit next to him at games and at the end of the day he treated us, the fans, with total contempt. Sorry if this upsets some of you but it is the truth. costa gaz
  • Score: 1

10:14am Sat 18 Jan 14

miltonarcher says...

www.dailymail.co.uk/
sport/football/artic
le-2541553/Cortese-t
hought-star-Southamp
ton-just-rich-family
s-banker-Martin-Samu
el.html

Interesting, perhaps a more rational take on NC and his role?

One thing does bother me, if NC cares so much for SFC, his Baby, why walk out at the worst possible time, in the transfer window with the vultures circling around our best players?
www.dailymail.co.uk/ sport/football/artic le-2541553/Cortese-t hought-star-Southamp ton-just-rich-family s-banker-Martin-Samu el.html Interesting, perhaps a more rational take on NC and his role? One thing does bother me, if NC cares so much for SFC, his Baby, why walk out at the worst possible time, in the transfer window with the vultures circling around our best players? miltonarcher
  • Score: 3

10:14am Sat 18 Jan 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

alan.of.eastleigh wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
Tony Robertson wrote:
Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table.
As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been.
You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away.

Tony Robertson, Stranraer
best player in saints history ,what would you know about football in the wastelands of jockoland.
Best player in saints history. Worst ambassador for club.
very strange this italian love in , i think its the best thing to happen to saints since lowe departed and i doubt you are fit to lace the great le tiss boots and frani benali bled red and white , good riddance is correct.
[quote][p][bold]alan.of.eastleigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony Robertson[/bold] wrote: Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table. As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been. You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away. Tony Robertson, Stranraer[/p][/quote]best player in saints history ,what would you know about football in the wastelands of jockoland.[/p][/quote]Best player in saints history. Worst ambassador for club.[/p][/quote]very strange this italian love in , i think its the best thing to happen to saints since lowe departed and i doubt you are fit to lace the great le tiss boots and frani benali bled red and white , good riddance is correct. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.
  • Score: -8

10:17am Sat 18 Jan 14

THE12THMAN says...

DE I can now understand fully why NC banned you from St Mary's. All you do is drag up old news, you seem to take every opportunity you can to have a dig at NC And Southampton Football Club. Please can you stop being so negative. I would like to say if it was not for NC and ML we could be playing poopey in league div 2. COYR
DE I can now understand fully why NC banned you from St Mary's. All you do is drag up old news, you seem to take every opportunity you can to have a dig at NC And Southampton Football Club. Please can you stop being so negative. I would like to say if it was not for NC and ML we could be playing poopey in league div 2. COYR THE12THMAN
  • Score: 8

10:18am Sat 18 Jan 14

miltonarcher says...

costa gaz wrote:
Man Utd have won the lot, but I've never heard Man U fans worshipping the Glazers like a lot of you are doing.
Most Chelsea fans hate Abromovich.
Kroenke and Usmanov are not revered at Arsenal, Newcastle are doing alright, but you don't see any sort of love in between the geordies and Ashley do you?
The truth is he is a nasty little banker who did everything for himself whilst you lot kept on massaging his ego.
Given the money he had at his disposal we should have been doing a lot better.
He thought he was so special that no one was allowed to sit next to him at games and at the end of the day he treated us, the fans, with total contempt.
Sorry if this upsets some of you but it is the truth.
Wait for the flood of thumbs down, well done though for posting a more considered opinion.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Man Utd have won the lot, but I've never heard Man U fans worshipping the Glazers like a lot of you are doing. Most Chelsea fans hate Abromovich. Kroenke and Usmanov are not revered at Arsenal, Newcastle are doing alright, but you don't see any sort of love in between the geordies and Ashley do you? The truth is he is a nasty little banker who did everything for himself whilst you lot kept on massaging his ego. Given the money he had at his disposal we should have been doing a lot better. He thought he was so special that no one was allowed to sit next to him at games and at the end of the day he treated us, the fans, with total contempt. Sorry if this upsets some of you but it is the truth.[/p][/quote]Wait for the flood of thumbs down, well done though for posting a more considered opinion. miltonarcher
  • Score: -10

10:18am Sat 18 Jan 14

johnlennonar says...

AndyAndrews wrote:
Keep up the good work Matt. Shame people have forgotten the years you gave the Saints. Good riddance to Cortese was my very first reaction too. It's not just about success on the field: Saints used to be a happy family club and since Lowe and Cortese it's not.
What a silly and totally stupid comment to make. Try and show a little respect to a guy who saved Southampton from going out of business and masterminded our return to the top league in a short space of time, not to forget the foundation he build making the club safe for years to come. Matt was a great player, but he backed the wrong horse before NL bought the club, which resulted in NL nearly withdrawing his offer for Saints.

Sounds like your someone who didn't support Saints through the dark years or someone with a very short memory.
[quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Keep up the good work Matt. Shame people have forgotten the years you gave the Saints. Good riddance to Cortese was my very first reaction too. It's not just about success on the field: Saints used to be a happy family club and since Lowe and Cortese it's not.[/p][/quote]What a silly and totally stupid comment to make. Try and show a little respect to a guy who saved Southampton from going out of business and masterminded our return to the top league in a short space of time, not to forget the foundation he build making the club safe for years to come. Matt was a great player, but he backed the wrong horse before NL bought the club, which resulted in NL nearly withdrawing his offer for Saints. Sounds like your someone who didn't support Saints through the dark years or someone with a very short memory. johnlennonar
  • Score: 8

10:20am Sat 18 Jan 14

J7junctionseven says...

Time for a new thread about team news and today's game I reckon.
3 points today could put us 8th and 7 points away from the 40 point haul.
Let's get some more points on the board and guarantee another season in PL early. Then with all the missing players back push on and see how high we can finish and sort out the owner/chairman stuff along the way.
Add a decent cup run to the equation and continued support with full houses at home and sell outs for away games and shove any unsettling media hype back down their throats.
Matt's had his little spat so he can draw a line under that as well and revert back to the Saints legend he should be remembered as.
2-0 Saints (fingers crossed) will do for starters!
COYR FOADP
Time for a new thread about team news and today's game I reckon. 3 points today could put us 8th and 7 points away from the 40 point haul. Let's get some more points on the board and guarantee another season in PL early. Then with all the missing players back push on and see how high we can finish and sort out the owner/chairman stuff along the way. Add a decent cup run to the equation and continued support with full houses at home and sell outs for away games and shove any unsettling media hype back down their throats. Matt's had his little spat so he can draw a line under that as well and revert back to the Saints legend he should be remembered as. 2-0 Saints (fingers crossed) will do for starters! COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 3

10:20am Sat 18 Jan 14

johnlennonar says...

AndyAndrews wrote:
Keep up the good work Matt. Shame people have forgotten the years you gave the Saints. Good riddance to Cortese was my very first reaction too. It's not just about success on the field: Saints used to be a happy family club and since Lowe and Cortese it's not.
What a silly and totally stupid comment to make. Try and show a little respect to a guy who saved Southampton from going out of business and masterminded our return to the top league in a short space of time, not to forget the foundation he build making the club safe for years to come. Matt was a great player, but he backed the wrong horse before NL bought the club, which resulted in NL nearly withdrawing his offer for Saints.

Sounds like your someone who didn't support Saints through the dark years or someone with a very short memory.
[quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Keep up the good work Matt. Shame people have forgotten the years you gave the Saints. Good riddance to Cortese was my very first reaction too. It's not just about success on the field: Saints used to be a happy family club and since Lowe and Cortese it's not.[/p][/quote]What a silly and totally stupid comment to make. Try and show a little respect to a guy who saved Southampton from going out of business and masterminded our return to the top league in a short space of time, not to forget the foundation he build making the club safe for years to come. Matt was a great player, but he backed the wrong horse before NL bought the club, which resulted in NL nearly withdrawing his offer for Saints. Sounds like your someone who didn't support Saints through the dark years or someone with a very short memory. johnlennonar
  • Score: 2

10:22am Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

C.R.R.A wrote:
Cortese comes across as a bully boy who runs away when someone stands up to him.
Your source for this little gem is?
[quote][p][bold]C.R.R.A[/bold] wrote: Cortese comes across as a bully boy who runs away when someone stands up to him.[/p][/quote]Your source for this little gem is? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

10:25am Sat 18 Jan 14

Tony Robertson says...

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
Tony Robertson wrote:
Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table.
As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been.
You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away.

Tony Robertson, Stranraer
best player in saints history ,what would you know about football in the wastelands of jockoland.
I'm a Southampton-bred man, since 1942. Spent most of my life in and around Southampton. First watched the Saints in 1947. Been going regularly ever since. Still a season-tcket holder who makes every home match via a thousand mile round-trip. I happen to live in Scotland, I'd rather be back in So'ton. Your terminology is virtually racist.

Tony Robertson, Stranraer
[quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony Robertson[/bold] wrote: Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table. As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been. You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away. Tony Robertson, Stranraer[/p][/quote]best player in saints history ,what would you know about football in the wastelands of jockoland.[/p][/quote]I'm a Southampton-bred man, since 1942. Spent most of my life in and around Southampton. First watched the Saints in 1947. Been going regularly ever since. Still a season-tcket holder who makes every home match via a thousand mile round-trip. I happen to live in Scotland, I'd rather be back in So'ton. Your terminology is virtually racist. Tony Robertson, Stranraer Tony Robertson
  • Score: 12

10:35am Sat 18 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Yeah it's great isn't it? We can now get our stripes back, and get rid of the gorgeous programme sellers for the tramps, we can hang pictures back up of achievements before many were born and be all family again. Oh and go back to the championship which is where we belong eh? Nice provincial club no more getting above our station for us :(
Yeah it's great isn't it? We can now get our stripes back, and get rid of the gorgeous programme sellers for the tramps, we can hang pictures back up of achievements before many were born and be all family again. Oh and go back to the championship which is where we belong eh? Nice provincial club no more getting above our station for us :( Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

10:36am Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

miltonarcher wrote:
www.dailymail.co.uk/

sport/football/artic

le-2541553/Cortese-t

hought-star-Southamp

ton-just-rich-family

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Interesting, perhaps a more rational take on NC and his role?

One thing does bother me, if NC cares so much for SFC, his Baby, why walk out at the worst possible time, in the transfer window with the vultures circling around our best players?
No point worrying about it, that's not not going to change anything. Not a great admirer of the man as an individual person myself, just liked what he achieved. A bit sad at the ungratefulness of some on here, but that's OK they are entitled to feel that way. Typical British attitude, a bit like Winston Churchill, great bloke, won us the war, but they couldn't get rid of him quick enough after the hostilities were over. Lord Dowding, won the Battle of Britain, booted out at the earliest opportunity because he didn't fit in with the rest. Some things never change.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: www.dailymail.co.uk/ sport/football/artic le-2541553/Cortese-t hought-star-Southamp ton-just-rich-family s-banker-Martin-Samu el.html Interesting, perhaps a more rational take on NC and his role? One thing does bother me, if NC cares so much for SFC, his Baby, why walk out at the worst possible time, in the transfer window with the vultures circling around our best players?[/p][/quote]No point worrying about it, that's not not going to change anything. Not a great admirer of the man as an individual person myself, just liked what he achieved. A bit sad at the ungratefulness of some on here, but that's OK they are entitled to feel that way. Typical British attitude, a bit like Winston Churchill, great bloke, won us the war, but they couldn't get rid of him quick enough after the hostilities were over. Lord Dowding, won the Battle of Britain, booted out at the earliest opportunity because he didn't fit in with the rest. Some things never change. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

10:36am Sat 18 Jan 14

the south coast is ours says...

at the end of the day whatever people think of cortese or any player or ower that leaves, i remember what james beattie said just before he went to everton , the only people loyal in football are the fans . ive been going for 40 years and whatever happens, i hope to be going for another 40 years.
at the end of the day whatever people think of cortese or any player or ower that leaves, i remember what james beattie said just before he went to everton , the only people loyal in football are the fans . ive been going for 40 years and whatever happens, i hope to be going for another 40 years. the south coast is ours
  • Score: 6

10:39am Sat 18 Jan 14

turicky says...

CharlieGeorgesMissin
gFinger
wrote:
Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.
Excellent post.
The only thing we know for certain, is NC suggested that ML buy Saints. Despite what some here seem to think, Saints were a very good proposition. It wasn't exactly a gamble. It was not his money. All he did was hold the purse strings, and received a massive amount of money for doing so.
We can only guess, that all he did was the right thing, because we were moving in the right direction. If, just If, he hadn't sacked Pardew. How do we know Saints wouldn't be top of the premiership now. If, again he hadn't sacked Adkins we wouldn't be top also. (Just having Jack Cork back would have made a massive difference, post sacking). Could it be we lost, Coutinho or Buttner, and maybe others because of him. No one knows. It's all conjecture, because, as I said, we're in a great place.
I will say, MP seems a great bloke. I like his style. Unlike NC he does have a personality. At the press conference, he almost answered in English, near the end. Very funny.
As for NC. Let's not forget. He resigned. He was not sacked. Why did he not wait until end of season. KL said she asked him to stay. I'm not so sure he even likes football, apart from the money it can make.
[quote][p][bold]CharlieGeorgesMissin gFinger[/bold] wrote: Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.[/p][/quote]Excellent post. The only thing we know for certain, is NC suggested that ML buy Saints. Despite what some here seem to think, Saints were a very good proposition. It wasn't exactly a gamble. It was not his money. All he did was hold the purse strings, and received a massive amount of money for doing so. We can only guess, that all he did was the right thing, because we were moving in the right direction. If, just If, he hadn't sacked Pardew. How do we know Saints wouldn't be top of the premiership now. If, again he hadn't sacked Adkins we wouldn't be top also. (Just having Jack Cork back would have made a massive difference, post sacking). Could it be we lost, Coutinho or Buttner, and maybe others because of him. No one knows. It's all conjecture, because, as I said, we're in a great place. I will say, MP seems a great bloke. I like his style. Unlike NC he does have a personality. At the press conference, he almost answered in English, near the end. Very funny. As for NC. Let's not forget. He resigned. He was not sacked. Why did he not wait until end of season. KL said she asked him to stay. I'm not so sure he even likes football, apart from the money it can make. turicky
  • Score: 1

10:43am Sat 18 Jan 14

red/whitearmy says...

Tony Robertson wrote:
Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table.
As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been.
You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away.

Tony Robertson, Stranraer
Bloody harsh. Why are you all digging matt. Give they guy a break. Apart form matt and later Liebherr who else was helping, no one. He did his best to try and save the club more than anyone else, Once it failed then step in Liebherr. And i agree cortese done alot for this club but he is arrogant , changed the badge and our traditional colours and he banned some legend players.
[quote][p][bold]Tony Robertson[/bold] wrote: Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table. As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been. You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away. Tony Robertson, Stranraer[/p][/quote]Bloody harsh. Why are you all digging matt. Give they guy a break. Apart form matt and later Liebherr who else was helping, no one. He did his best to try and save the club more than anyone else, Once it failed then step in Liebherr. And i agree cortese done alot for this club but he is arrogant , changed the badge and our traditional colours and he banned some legend players. red/whitearmy
  • Score: -1

10:43am Sat 18 Jan 14

costa gaz says...

As soon as I say I can't understand the hero worshipping by some on here, Osprey comes out with a comparison with Winston Churchill......
You just couldn't make it up.
As soon as I say I can't understand the hero worshipping by some on here, Osprey comes out with a comparison with Winston Churchill...... You just couldn't make it up. costa gaz
  • Score: 3

10:46am Sat 18 Jan 14

worried of n e hampshire says...

look out Matty, Nicola may be back,
concrete welle's and all that!!!!
look out Matty, Nicola may be back, concrete welle's and all that!!!! worried of n e hampshire
  • Score: 3

10:48am Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

costa gaz wrote:
As soon as I say I can't understand the hero worshipping by some on here, Osprey comes out with a comparison with Winston Churchill......
You just couldn't make it up.
I did.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: As soon as I say I can't understand the hero worshipping by some on here, Osprey comes out with a comparison with Winston Churchill...... You just couldn't make it up.[/p][/quote]I did. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

10:50am Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Don't get me wong, I still hero worship MLT, but I don't appreciate his opinion which is personal rather than rational.
Don't get me wong, I still hero worship MLT, but I don't appreciate his opinion which is personal rather than rational. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

10:50am Sat 18 Jan 14

Confucious says...

Mrs Wilson said to me that she told Nicola before the W Brom match that she was anxious about our poor run during December and was praying for a win against W Brom. He told her never to go over his head again.
Mrs Wilson said to me that she told Nicola before the W Brom match that she was anxious about our poor run during December and was praying for a win against W Brom. He told her never to go over his head again. Confucious
  • Score: 1

10:54am Sat 18 Jan 14

red/whitearmy says...

Give matt a break. He is allowed his opinions and he knew Cortese on a personal level not like us fans. All we know is what cortese has done for this club. Yes cortese has done great with this club , **** up the crest and colours of the shirt but doing amazing work at staplewood . But you should not ban any of the ex legend players and muck up the property that cortese was living in. Dont **** on your own door step.
Give matt a break. He is allowed his opinions and he knew Cortese on a personal level not like us fans. All we know is what cortese has done for this club. Yes cortese has done great with this club , **** up the crest and colours of the shirt but doing amazing work at staplewood . But you should not ban any of the ex legend players and muck up the property that cortese was living in. Dont **** on your own door step. red/whitearmy
  • Score: -5

10:55am Sat 18 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

I agree, too many Nicola huggers on here, anyone would think it was his money that saved the club.He did alright out of it 25k a week.
I agree, too many Nicola huggers on here, anyone would think it was his money that saved the club.He did alright out of it 25k a week. bigfella777
  • Score: -4

11:00am Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

AndyAndrews wrote:
Keep up the good work Matt. Shame people have forgotten the years you gave the Saints. Good riddance to Cortese was my very first reaction too. It's not just about success on the field: Saints used to be a happy family club and since Lowe and Cortese it's not.
That is about as hypocritical as a sentence could be, you castigate people for not being grateful to one hero, then do very same thing yourself about another one, the very one that saved the club from total oblivion, I would like to see a more balanced approach from you, what do you prefer a defunct former happy family club, or a succesful one that has survived and is gradually coming back to being a happy family Club?
[quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Keep up the good work Matt. Shame people have forgotten the years you gave the Saints. Good riddance to Cortese was my very first reaction too. It's not just about success on the field: Saints used to be a happy family club and since Lowe and Cortese it's not.[/p][/quote]That is about as hypocritical as a sentence could be, you castigate people for not being grateful to one hero, then do very same thing yourself about another one, the very one that saved the club from total oblivion, I would like to see a more balanced approach from you, what do you prefer a defunct former happy family club, or a succesful one that has survived and is gradually coming back to being a happy family Club? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

11:02am Sat 18 Jan 14

Saints n Winners says...

Cortese was overated by far too many. If you crossed him - you were dismissed. What kind of management is that? The Ruthless type associated with moneymen and the like.

Pardew is currently sitting one peg above Mopo and 19 places above Adkins. Who knows where he would have been had he still been in charge - possibly above where we are presently or even above. Adkins was improving - and would probably be siting midtable had he stayed.

Mopo and Adkins have been lucky with the resources available through the academy - which Pardew would have also used in addition to his procurement of Lambo.

Cortese ruthlessness could quite as easily imploded on him - and loads of fans would be saying he was a ruthless plonker who set the club back by changing managers too often
Cortese was overated by far too many. If you crossed him - you were dismissed. What kind of management is that? The Ruthless type associated with moneymen and the like. Pardew is currently sitting one peg above Mopo and 19 places above Adkins. Who knows where he would have been had he still been in charge - possibly above where we are presently or even above. Adkins was improving - and would probably be siting midtable had he stayed. Mopo and Adkins have been lucky with the resources available through the academy - which Pardew would have also used in addition to his procurement of Lambo. Cortese ruthlessness could quite as easily imploded on him - and loads of fans would be saying he was a ruthless plonker who set the club back by changing managers too often Saints n Winners
  • Score: -4

11:02am Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

bigfella777 wrote:
I agree, too many Nicola huggers on here, anyone would think it was his money that saved the club.He did alright out of it 25k a week.
Don't hug the bloke if you don't like him , just hug his and ML's legacy.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: I agree, too many Nicola huggers on here, anyone would think it was his money that saved the club.He did alright out of it 25k a week.[/p][/quote]Don't hug the bloke if you don't like him , just hug his and ML's legacy. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

11:04am Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
Cortese was overated by far too many. If you crossed him - you were dismissed. What kind of management is that? The Ruthless type associated with moneymen and the like.

Pardew is currently sitting one peg above Mopo and 19 places above Adkins. Who knows where he would have been had he still been in charge - possibly above where we are presently or even above. Adkins was improving - and would probably be siting midtable had he stayed.

Mopo and Adkins have been lucky with the resources available through the academy - which Pardew would have also used in addition to his procurement of Lambo.

Cortese ruthlessness could quite as easily imploded on him - and loads of fans would be saying he was a ruthless plonker who set the club back by changing managers too often
I have one word for that post - rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: Cortese was overated by far too many. If you crossed him - you were dismissed. What kind of management is that? The Ruthless type associated with moneymen and the like. Pardew is currently sitting one peg above Mopo and 19 places above Adkins. Who knows where he would have been had he still been in charge - possibly above where we are presently or even above. Adkins was improving - and would probably be siting midtable had he stayed. Mopo and Adkins have been lucky with the resources available through the academy - which Pardew would have also used in addition to his procurement of Lambo. Cortese ruthlessness could quite as easily imploded on him - and loads of fans would be saying he was a ruthless plonker who set the club back by changing managers too often[/p][/quote]I have one word for that post - rubbish. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

11:07am Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Confucious wrote:
Mrs Wilson said to me that she told Nicola before the W Brom match that she was anxious about our poor run during December and was praying for a win against W Brom. He told her never to go over his head again.
Now we know why he left, Mrs Wilson got the better of him, he simply couldn't take that kind of criticism, ego shattered, he did the honourable thing and ran away. I blame Mrs Wilson and of course Guly who probably put her up to it.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mrs Wilson said to me that she told Nicola before the W Brom match that she was anxious about our poor run during December and was praying for a win against W Brom. He told her never to go over his head again.[/p][/quote]Now we know why he left, Mrs Wilson got the better of him, he simply couldn't take that kind of criticism, ego shattered, he did the honourable thing and ran away. I blame Mrs Wilson and of course Guly who probably put her up to it. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:08am Sat 18 Jan 14

Rupert Lowe's Backside says...

lowemustgo wrote:
I am not one of those who say 'good riddance', but I do agree that if NC cared more about the club than himself, he would not have left now.
NC is a banker and he made a finders fee (rather like a football agent) from buying the club for Saint Marcus.
Marcus loved football, NC didn't. For NC it was strictly business and very good he was at it too..
We can be sure that NC would not have given up his job in Switzerland to run SFC for Saint Marcus without an exit clause that rewarded him handsomely for a successful sale after four to five years. Investment bankers buy and sell businesses for a living, so when it comes to their own rewards, we can be sure that they take care of their own.
It was a five year project, buy cheap, rebuild and sell when back in the Prem.
While he was alive, Saint Marcus trusted NC to dictate the running of the club as its sole Director.
When the family trust took over, it would have been best practice for one or more of its advisors to join the board and for normal corporate governance rules to apply. Think of Blackburn Rovers which was (successfully) run by the late Jack Walker's will trust (from Jersey) for more than ten years.
For some reason NC wanted to keep sole control of the project and refused to work with the Liebherr will trustees. We can speculate that he was actually more of a buyer than a seller of the club, and he may come back as such.
But we can be sure that by resigning, NC will have given up his significant bonus to be earned when the club is sold by the Liebherrs. He would only have done that if 1) there was no prospect of his bonus ever being earned or 2) he had a conflict of interest in being the sole Director representing the Liebherrs in a sale (perhaps where he was the intended buyer) or 3) he had had enough of living in the UK and wanted back to Europe.
Was he a good businessman -Yes.
Did he have his faults like everyone else - Yes.
Was SFC a 'model' for how a PL club should be run - mostly, but not from the corporate governance point of view as nobody but NC seemed to have a say in anything. Certainly not the fans.
Will NC learn from this experience - you bet he will be back somewhere else in sports management, just like Mo Po learned from his time managing Espanyol.
Do we wish NC well in the future - yes.
Do we love the Liebherrs more - yes.
The king is dead, long live the queen -COYR.
Well articluated thoughts. I can concur with many of the points you have raised, and Im happy to speculate too:

1. There is CLEARLY a problem between what the trustees want and what NC want. Has the SFC corporate strategy been 'realigned' and therefore the only winner was the owner.
2. I think NC has unfinished business. As noted above, he really drove the 'intiial' SFC corporate strategy.
3. That his resignation now provides him with the opportunity to seek new backers -- yes -- but what an inopportune time in the season?
4. Does that mean the Liebherr trustees would sell the NC and his backers - maybe -- that depends on how amicable this split was and what money is on the table. Too many variables.
5. Thus -- is this why MoPo has indicated his intention to 'see out' the season and make a decision in the summer -- definately.
[quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: I am not one of those who say 'good riddance', but I do agree that if NC cared more about the club than himself, he would not have left now. NC is a banker and he made a finders fee (rather like a football agent) from buying the club for Saint Marcus. Marcus loved football, NC didn't. For NC it was strictly business and very good he was at it too.. We can be sure that NC would not have given up his job in Switzerland to run SFC for Saint Marcus without an exit clause that rewarded him handsomely for a successful sale after four to five years. Investment bankers buy and sell businesses for a living, so when it comes to their own rewards, we can be sure that they take care of their own. It was a five year project, buy cheap, rebuild and sell when back in the Prem. While he was alive, Saint Marcus trusted NC to dictate the running of the club as its sole Director. When the family trust took over, it would have been best practice for one or more of its advisors to join the board and for normal corporate governance rules to apply. Think of Blackburn Rovers which was (successfully) run by the late Jack Walker's will trust (from Jersey) for more than ten years. For some reason NC wanted to keep sole control of the project and refused to work with the Liebherr will trustees. We can speculate that he was actually more of a buyer than a seller of the club, and he may come back as such. But we can be sure that by resigning, NC will have given up his significant bonus to be earned when the club is sold by the Liebherrs. He would only have done that if 1) there was no prospect of his bonus ever being earned or 2) he had a conflict of interest in being the sole Director representing the Liebherrs in a sale (perhaps where he was the intended buyer) or 3) he had had enough of living in the UK and wanted back to Europe. Was he a good businessman -Yes. Did he have his faults like everyone else - Yes. Was SFC a 'model' for how a PL club should be run - mostly, but not from the corporate governance point of view as nobody but NC seemed to have a say in anything. Certainly not the fans. Will NC learn from this experience - you bet he will be back somewhere else in sports management, just like Mo Po learned from his time managing Espanyol. Do we wish NC well in the future - yes. Do we love the Liebherrs more - yes. The king is dead, long live the queen -COYR.[/p][/quote]Well articluated thoughts. I can concur with many of the points you have raised, and Im happy to speculate too: 1. There is CLEARLY a problem between what the trustees want and what NC want. Has the SFC corporate strategy been 'realigned' and therefore the only winner was the owner. 2. I think NC has unfinished business. As noted above, he really drove the 'intiial' SFC corporate strategy. 3. That his resignation now provides him with the opportunity to seek new backers -- yes -- but what an inopportune time in the season? 4. Does that mean the Liebherr trustees would sell the NC and his backers - maybe -- that depends on how amicable this split was and what money is on the table. Too many variables. 5. Thus -- is this why MoPo has indicated his intention to 'see out' the season and make a decision in the summer -- definately. Rupert Lowe's Backside
  • Score: 3

11:10am Sat 18 Jan 14

up saints says...

good riddance thats a bit harsh.i always said nc was a hard but fair man and did good for southampton football club.all we can guess is nc wanted more than was on offer didn't get it and resigned.
good riddance thats a bit harsh.i always said nc was a hard but fair man and did good for southampton football club.all we can guess is nc wanted more than was on offer didn't get it and resigned. up saints
  • Score: 2

11:17am Sat 18 Jan 14

Saints n Winners says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Cortese was overated by far too many. If you crossed him - you were dismissed. What kind of management is that? The Ruthless type associated with moneymen and the like.

Pardew is currently sitting one peg above Mopo and 19 places above Adkins. Who knows where he would have been had he still been in charge - possibly above where we are presently or even above. Adkins was improving - and would probably be siting midtable had he stayed.

Mopo and Adkins have been lucky with the resources available through the academy - which Pardew would have also used in addition to his procurement of Lambo.

Cortese ruthlessness could quite as easily imploded on him - and loads of fans would be saying he was a ruthless plonker who set the club back by changing managers too often
I have one word for that post - rubbish.
As stated above - too many people see the back to back promotions and present position as all part of Cortese's legacy. He rewarded success with sackings which surprised the football community at the time - but the reality is the club, academy, money and morale have all been on the up - and most good managers would have succeeded in pushing the team up the table.

Get over Cortese - he wasn't that special - just a cog in a bigger mechanism.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: Cortese was overated by far too many. If you crossed him - you were dismissed. What kind of management is that? The Ruthless type associated with moneymen and the like. Pardew is currently sitting one peg above Mopo and 19 places above Adkins. Who knows where he would have been had he still been in charge - possibly above where we are presently or even above. Adkins was improving - and would probably be siting midtable had he stayed. Mopo and Adkins have been lucky with the resources available through the academy - which Pardew would have also used in addition to his procurement of Lambo. Cortese ruthlessness could quite as easily imploded on him - and loads of fans would be saying he was a ruthless plonker who set the club back by changing managers too often[/p][/quote]I have one word for that post - rubbish.[/p][/quote]As stated above - too many people see the back to back promotions and present position as all part of Cortese's legacy. He rewarded success with sackings which surprised the football community at the time - but the reality is the club, academy, money and morale have all been on the up - and most good managers would have succeeded in pushing the team up the table. Get over Cortese - he wasn't that special - just a cog in a bigger mechanism. Saints n Winners
  • Score: 4

11:20am Sat 18 Jan 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

Tony Robertson wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
Tony Robertson wrote:
Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table.
As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been.
You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away.

Tony Robertson, Stranraer
best player in saints history ,what would you know about football in the wastelands of jockoland.
I'm a Southampton-bred man, since 1942. Spent most of my life in and around Southampton. First watched the Saints in 1947. Been going regularly ever since. Still a season-tcket holder who makes every home match via a thousand mile round-trip. I happen to live in Scotland, I'd rather be back in So'ton. Your terminology is virtually racist.

Tony Robertson, Stranraer
your terminology is brain dead.
[quote][p][bold]Tony Robertson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony Robertson[/bold] wrote: Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table. As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been. You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away. Tony Robertson, Stranraer[/p][/quote]best player in saints history ,what would you know about football in the wastelands of jockoland.[/p][/quote]I'm a Southampton-bred man, since 1942. Spent most of my life in and around Southampton. First watched the Saints in 1947. Been going regularly ever since. Still a season-tcket holder who makes every home match via a thousand mile round-trip. I happen to live in Scotland, I'd rather be back in So'ton. Your terminology is virtually racist. Tony Robertson, Stranraer[/p][/quote]your terminology is brain dead. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.
  • Score: -3

11:22am Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

costa gaz wrote:
Man Utd have won the lot, but I've never heard Man U fans worshipping the Glazers like a lot of you are doing.
Most Chelsea fans hate Abromovich.
Kroenke and Usmanov are not revered at Arsenal, Newcastle are doing alright, but you don't see any sort of love in between the geordies and Ashley do you?
The truth is he is a nasty little banker who did everything for himself whilst you lot kept on massaging his ego.
Given the money he had at his disposal we should have been doing a lot better.
He thought he was so special that no one was allowed to sit next to him at games and at the end of the day he treated us, the fans, with total contempt.
Sorry if this upsets some of you but it is the truth.
"He thought he was so special" How on earth did you get that close to him to find that one out? Just one observation about him sitting on his own, the seat to his right was reserved for Markus Liebherr, no one was allowed to fill that one, he also stated in an interview that he got very emotional during games and was probably not a good person to be sat next to, I don't think it was an ego problem at all. How much money did he have at his disposal and why have taken all this time to tell us that you are privy to so much information?
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Man Utd have won the lot, but I've never heard Man U fans worshipping the Glazers like a lot of you are doing. Most Chelsea fans hate Abromovich. Kroenke and Usmanov are not revered at Arsenal, Newcastle are doing alright, but you don't see any sort of love in between the geordies and Ashley do you? The truth is he is a nasty little banker who did everything for himself whilst you lot kept on massaging his ego. Given the money he had at his disposal we should have been doing a lot better. He thought he was so special that no one was allowed to sit next to him at games and at the end of the day he treated us, the fans, with total contempt. Sorry if this upsets some of you but it is the truth.[/p][/quote]"He thought he was so special" How on earth did you get that close to him to find that one out? Just one observation about him sitting on his own, the seat to his right was reserved for Markus Liebherr, no one was allowed to fill that one, he also stated in an interview that he got very emotional during games and was probably not a good person to be sat next to, I don't think it was an ego problem at all. How much money did he have at his disposal and why have taken all this time to tell us that you are privy to so much information? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

11:24am Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
Tony Robertson wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
Tony Robertson wrote:
Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table.
As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been.
You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away.

Tony Robertson, Stranraer
best player in saints history ,what would you know about football in the wastelands of jockoland.
I'm a Southampton-bred man, since 1942. Spent most of my life in and around Southampton. First watched the Saints in 1947. Been going regularly ever since. Still a season-tcket holder who makes every home match via a thousand mile round-trip. I happen to live in Scotland, I'd rather be back in So'ton. Your terminology is virtually racist.

Tony Robertson, Stranraer
your terminology is brain dead.
That's rich coming from someone who claims he is related to William Hague!
[quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony Robertson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony Robertson[/bold] wrote: Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table. As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been. You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away. Tony Robertson, Stranraer[/p][/quote]best player in saints history ,what would you know about football in the wastelands of jockoland.[/p][/quote]I'm a Southampton-bred man, since 1942. Spent most of my life in and around Southampton. First watched the Saints in 1947. Been going regularly ever since. Still a season-tcket holder who makes every home match via a thousand mile round-trip. I happen to live in Scotland, I'd rather be back in So'ton. Your terminology is virtually racist. Tony Robertson, Stranraer[/p][/quote]your terminology is brain dead.[/p][/quote]That's rich coming from someone who claims he is related to William Hague! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:27am Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Cortese was overated by far too many. If you crossed him - you were dismissed. What kind of management is that? The Ruthless type associated with moneymen and the like.

Pardew is currently sitting one peg above Mopo and 19 places above Adkins. Who knows where he would have been had he still been in charge - possibly above where we are presently or even above. Adkins was improving - and would probably be siting midtable had he stayed.

Mopo and Adkins have been lucky with the resources available through the academy - which Pardew would have also used in addition to his procurement of Lambo.

Cortese ruthlessness could quite as easily imploded on him - and loads of fans would be saying he was a ruthless plonker who set the club back by changing managers too often
I have one word for that post - rubbish.
As stated above - too many people see the back to back promotions and present position as all part of Cortese's legacy. He rewarded success with sackings which surprised the football community at the time - but the reality is the club, academy, money and morale have all been on the up - and most good managers would have succeeded in pushing the team up the table.

Get over Cortese - he wasn't that special - just a cog in a bigger mechanism.
I am over him already, but what if he came back and took us to the Champions League, would you still hold this negative opinion? Hypothetical of course but just a thought.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: Cortese was overated by far too many. If you crossed him - you were dismissed. What kind of management is that? The Ruthless type associated with moneymen and the like. Pardew is currently sitting one peg above Mopo and 19 places above Adkins. Who knows where he would have been had he still been in charge - possibly above where we are presently or even above. Adkins was improving - and would probably be siting midtable had he stayed. Mopo and Adkins have been lucky with the resources available through the academy - which Pardew would have also used in addition to his procurement of Lambo. Cortese ruthlessness could quite as easily imploded on him - and loads of fans would be saying he was a ruthless plonker who set the club back by changing managers too often[/p][/quote]I have one word for that post - rubbish.[/p][/quote]As stated above - too many people see the back to back promotions and present position as all part of Cortese's legacy. He rewarded success with sackings which surprised the football community at the time - but the reality is the club, academy, money and morale have all been on the up - and most good managers would have succeeded in pushing the team up the table. Get over Cortese - he wasn't that special - just a cog in a bigger mechanism.[/p][/quote]I am over him already, but what if he came back and took us to the Champions League, would you still hold this negative opinion? Hypothetical of course but just a thought. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:29am Sat 18 Jan 14

elvisimo says...

CharlieGeorgesMissin
gFinger
wrote:
Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.
Let is was a fantastic player but is no businessman. (Celebrity plaza). It is not an old boys club where ex employees can swan around like they own the place. I couldn't go back to Tesco and expect to preferential treatment there because I spend a couple of summers stacking shelves. Times have changed and you need astute businessmen to run a football club. It's not about 'what great servant' ex players were. Don't forget what they get paid. Matt le tis wouldn't have a life playing golf without it. He didn't do us 'favours' his being at Southampton suited him as much as it suited us, great mutually beneficial relationship. He didn't 'stand buy us' as though there was some sort of misguided loyalty, he liked living here and playing here, shooting over to the Channel Islands and being a big fish in a comparatively small pond. His aspirations were different to many footballers.
A chairmanship job is not to win popularity contests it is to balance the books and push a business further forward. We know what happens when idiots are in charge.
Dont go on about loyalty. What world do you live in? Players, managers, the public at large all look to further their career.
[quote][p][bold]CharlieGeorgesMissin gFinger[/bold] wrote: Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.[/p][/quote]Let is was a fantastic player but is no businessman. (Celebrity plaza). It is not an old boys club where ex employees can swan around like they own the place. I couldn't go back to Tesco and expect to preferential treatment there because I spend a couple of summers stacking shelves. Times have changed and you need astute businessmen to run a football club. It's not about 'what great servant' ex players were. Don't forget what they get paid. Matt le tis wouldn't have a life playing golf without it. He didn't do us 'favours' his being at Southampton suited him as much as it suited us, great mutually beneficial relationship. He didn't 'stand buy us' as though there was some sort of misguided loyalty, he liked living here and playing here, shooting over to the Channel Islands and being a big fish in a comparatively small pond. His aspirations were different to many footballers. A chairmanship job is not to win popularity contests it is to balance the books and push a business further forward. We know what happens when idiots are in charge. Dont go on about loyalty. What world do you live in? Players, managers, the public at large all look to further their career. elvisimo
  • Score: 7

11:30am Sat 18 Jan 14

Saints n Winners says...

costa gaz wrote:
Man Utd have won the lot, but I've never heard Man U fans worshipping the Glazers like a lot of you are doing.
Most Chelsea fans hate Abromovich.
Kroenke and Usmanov are not revered at Arsenal, Newcastle are doing alright, but you don't see any sort of love in between the geordies and Ashley do you?
The truth is he is a nasty little banker who did everything for himself whilst you lot kept on massaging his ego.
Given the money he had at his disposal we should have been doing a lot better.
He thought he was so special that no one was allowed to sit next to him at games and at the end of the day he treated us, the fans, with total contempt.
Sorry if this upsets some of you but it is the truth.
Brilliant. The truth hurts. The clubs who do well with famous owners/ executives are few and far between. Berlusconi and Abramovich stand out but people like Deadly Doug Ellis are more the norm.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Man Utd have won the lot, but I've never heard Man U fans worshipping the Glazers like a lot of you are doing. Most Chelsea fans hate Abromovich. Kroenke and Usmanov are not revered at Arsenal, Newcastle are doing alright, but you don't see any sort of love in between the geordies and Ashley do you? The truth is he is a nasty little banker who did everything for himself whilst you lot kept on massaging his ego. Given the money he had at his disposal we should have been doing a lot better. He thought he was so special that no one was allowed to sit next to him at games and at the end of the day he treated us, the fans, with total contempt. Sorry if this upsets some of you but it is the truth.[/p][/quote]Brilliant. The truth hurts. The clubs who do well with famous owners/ executives are few and far between. Berlusconi and Abramovich stand out but people like Deadly Doug Ellis are more the norm. Saints n Winners
  • Score: -1

11:30am Sat 18 Jan 14

Thornhill Saint says...

red/whitearmy wrote:
Give matt a break. He is allowed his opinions and he knew Cortese on a personal level not like us fans. All we know is what cortese has done for this club. Yes cortese has done great with this club , **** up the crest and colours of the shirt but doing amazing work at staplewood . But you should not ban any of the ex legend players and muck up the property that cortese was living in. Dont **** on your own door step.
He ony banned one, and that was because he took legal action against the club. Neither Matt, nor Mcmenemy or ny other ex-player was banned. (Matt Le Tissier made this absolutely clear last night or the day before on Twitter.)

I am suprised Benali continued to be banned even after they settled, and don't agree with this.

As for the property the claim looked ludicrous an according to the Echo they settled for an awful lot less than Benali's claim which suggests there may have been some p*ss taking on both sides.

Stil does not take away from Cortese being a hero for for what he did for our club in one of it's (and possilbly number one) darkest hour any more than Le Tissier's rip off venture Celebraion plaza or match fixing allegations take away from him being an asolute legend.

If Cortese continued to take pot shots at Le Tissier it would be equally unwelcome. Difference is is doesn't. Le Tissier can say what he likes but so can those that don't agree.

Those that accuse others of sucking Cortes's dick should not throw stones (Glass houses and all that)
[quote][p][bold]red/whitearmy[/bold] wrote: Give matt a break. He is allowed his opinions and he knew Cortese on a personal level not like us fans. All we know is what cortese has done for this club. Yes cortese has done great with this club , **** up the crest and colours of the shirt but doing amazing work at staplewood . But you should not ban any of the ex legend players and muck up the property that cortese was living in. Dont **** on your own door step.[/p][/quote]He ony banned one, and that was because he took legal action against the club. Neither Matt, nor Mcmenemy or ny other ex-player was banned. (Matt Le Tissier made this absolutely clear last night or the day before on Twitter.) I am suprised Benali continued to be banned even after they settled, and don't agree with this. As for the property the claim looked ludicrous an according to the Echo they settled for an awful lot less than Benali's claim which suggests there may have been some p*ss taking on both sides. Stil does not take away from Cortese being a hero for for what he did for our club in one of it's (and possilbly number one) darkest hour any more than Le Tissier's rip off venture Celebraion plaza or match fixing allegations take away from him being an asolute legend. If Cortese continued to take pot shots at Le Tissier it would be equally unwelcome. Difference is is doesn't. Le Tissier can say what he likes but so can those that don't agree. Those that accuse others of sucking Cortes's dick should not throw stones (Glass houses and all that) Thornhill Saint
  • Score: 9

11:31am Sat 18 Jan 14

saintmicky says...

Thanks Nicola, You have been a great help to our club, whatever label people put on you. Thanks Matt, you are a far greater and more important part of our history. Just try, as all of us should, to consider that Nicola Cortese may well encourage an investor to offer the right money to Katharina to part with the club and reinstate him as exec chairman again, that is after all how ML became owner in the first place!
Thanks Nicola, You have been a great help to our club, whatever label people put on you. Thanks Matt, you are a far greater and more important part of our history. Just try, as all of us should, to consider that Nicola Cortese may well encourage an investor to offer the right money to Katharina to part with the club and reinstate him as exec chairman again, that is after all how ML became owner in the first place! saintmicky
  • Score: 3

11:33am Sat 18 Jan 14

Confucious says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Mrs Wilson said to me that she told Nicola before the W Brom match that she was anxious about our poor run during December and was praying for a win against W Brom. He told her never to go over his head again.
Now we know why he left, Mrs Wilson got the better of him, he simply couldn't take that kind of criticism, ego shattered, he did the honourable thing and ran away. I blame Mrs Wilson and of course Guly who probably put her up to it.
To be fair Nicola always encouraged criticism. He told Mrs Wilson when she joined that he wanted everyone at St Marys always to speak their minds and tell the truth - even if it did cost them their jobs.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mrs Wilson said to me that she told Nicola before the W Brom match that she was anxious about our poor run during December and was praying for a win against W Brom. He told her never to go over his head again.[/p][/quote]Now we know why he left, Mrs Wilson got the better of him, he simply couldn't take that kind of criticism, ego shattered, he did the honourable thing and ran away. I blame Mrs Wilson and of course Guly who probably put her up to it.[/p][/quote]To be fair Nicola always encouraged criticism. He told Mrs Wilson when she joined that he wanted everyone at St Marys always to speak their minds and tell the truth - even if it did cost them their jobs. Confucious
  • Score: 4

11:36am Sat 18 Jan 14

costa gaz says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Man Utd have won the lot, but I've never heard Man U fans worshipping the Glazers like a lot of you are doing.
Most Chelsea fans hate Abromovich.
Kroenke and Usmanov are not revered at Arsenal, Newcastle are doing alright, but you don't see any sort of love in between the geordies and Ashley do you?
The truth is he is a nasty little banker who did everything for himself whilst you lot kept on massaging his ego.
Given the money he had at his disposal we should have been doing a lot better.
He thought he was so special that no one was allowed to sit next to him at games and at the end of the day he treated us, the fans, with total contempt.
Sorry if this upsets some of you but it is the truth.
"He thought he was so special" How on earth did you get that close to him to find that one out? Just one observation about him sitting on his own, the seat to his right was reserved for Markus Liebherr, no one was allowed to fill that one, he also stated in an interview that he got very emotional during games and was probably not a good person to be sat next to, I don't think it was an ego problem at all. How much money did he have at his disposal and why have taken all this time to tell us that you are privy to so much information?
Stop being such a fool Osprey.... there is a real world out there.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Man Utd have won the lot, but I've never heard Man U fans worshipping the Glazers like a lot of you are doing. Most Chelsea fans hate Abromovich. Kroenke and Usmanov are not revered at Arsenal, Newcastle are doing alright, but you don't see any sort of love in between the geordies and Ashley do you? The truth is he is a nasty little banker who did everything for himself whilst you lot kept on massaging his ego. Given the money he had at his disposal we should have been doing a lot better. He thought he was so special that no one was allowed to sit next to him at games and at the end of the day he treated us, the fans, with total contempt. Sorry if this upsets some of you but it is the truth.[/p][/quote]"He thought he was so special" How on earth did you get that close to him to find that one out? Just one observation about him sitting on his own, the seat to his right was reserved for Markus Liebherr, no one was allowed to fill that one, he also stated in an interview that he got very emotional during games and was probably not a good person to be sat next to, I don't think it was an ego problem at all. How much money did he have at his disposal and why have taken all this time to tell us that you are privy to so much information?[/p][/quote]Stop being such a fool Osprey.... there is a real world out there. costa gaz
  • Score: 1

11:37am Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Yeah it's great isn't it? We can now get our stripes back, and get rid of the gorgeous programme sellers for the tramps, we can hang pictures back up of achievements before many were born and be all family again. Oh and go back to the championship which is where we belong eh? Nice provincial club no more getting above our station for us :(
I don't think our posters understand the use of irony, I know where you are coming from, but those old programme sellers, tramps? What are they doing now, selling The Big Issue in Portswood and Shirley of course, they wouldn't want to come back I think.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Yeah it's great isn't it? We can now get our stripes back, and get rid of the gorgeous programme sellers for the tramps, we can hang pictures back up of achievements before many were born and be all family again. Oh and go back to the championship which is where we belong eh? Nice provincial club no more getting above our station for us :([/p][/quote]I don't think our posters understand the use of irony, I know where you are coming from, but those old programme sellers, tramps? What are they doing now, selling The Big Issue in Portswood and Shirley of course, they wouldn't want to come back I think. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

11:38am Sat 18 Jan 14

Saints n Winners says...

elvisimo wrote:
CharlieGeorgesMissin

gFinger
wrote:
Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.
Let is was a fantastic player but is no businessman. (Celebrity plaza). It is not an old boys club where ex employees can swan around like they own the place. I couldn't go back to Tesco and expect to preferential treatment there because I spend a couple of summers stacking shelves. Times have changed and you need astute businessmen to run a football club. It's not about 'what great servant' ex players were. Don't forget what they get paid. Matt le tis wouldn't have a life playing golf without it. He didn't do us 'favours' his being at Southampton suited him as much as it suited us, great mutually beneficial relationship. He didn't 'stand buy us' as though there was some sort of misguided loyalty, he liked living here and playing here, shooting over to the Channel Islands and being a big fish in a comparatively small pond. His aspirations were different to many footballers.
A chairmanship job is not to win popularity contests it is to balance the books and push a business further forward. We know what happens when idiots are in charge.
Dont go on about loyalty. What world do you live in? Players, managers, the public at large all look to further their career.
Well said Charlie.

When the going got tough - the Cortese got going - but MLT stayed - and stayed.

One was loyal to the club and the other was just loyal to himself

One had the chance to move to bigger club but declined - and who knows where Cortese will end up soon? Milan? Are they a bigger club?
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CharlieGeorgesMissin gFinger[/bold] wrote: Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.[/p][/quote]Let is was a fantastic player but is no businessman. (Celebrity plaza). It is not an old boys club where ex employees can swan around like they own the place. I couldn't go back to Tesco and expect to preferential treatment there because I spend a couple of summers stacking shelves. Times have changed and you need astute businessmen to run a football club. It's not about 'what great servant' ex players were. Don't forget what they get paid. Matt le tis wouldn't have a life playing golf without it. He didn't do us 'favours' his being at Southampton suited him as much as it suited us, great mutually beneficial relationship. He didn't 'stand buy us' as though there was some sort of misguided loyalty, he liked living here and playing here, shooting over to the Channel Islands and being a big fish in a comparatively small pond. His aspirations were different to many footballers. A chairmanship job is not to win popularity contests it is to balance the books and push a business further forward. We know what happens when idiots are in charge. Dont go on about loyalty. What world do you live in? Players, managers, the public at large all look to further their career.[/p][/quote]Well said Charlie. When the going got tough - the Cortese got going - but MLT stayed - and stayed. One was loyal to the club and the other was just loyal to himself One had the chance to move to bigger club but declined - and who knows where Cortese will end up soon? Milan? Are they a bigger club? Saints n Winners
  • Score: 4

11:38am Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

costa gaz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Man Utd have won the lot, but I've never heard Man U fans worshipping the Glazers like a lot of you are doing.
Most Chelsea fans hate Abromovich.
Kroenke and Usmanov are not revered at Arsenal, Newcastle are doing alright, but you don't see any sort of love in between the geordies and Ashley do you?
The truth is he is a nasty little banker who did everything for himself whilst you lot kept on massaging his ego.
Given the money he had at his disposal we should have been doing a lot better.
He thought he was so special that no one was allowed to sit next to him at games and at the end of the day he treated us, the fans, with total contempt.
Sorry if this upsets some of you but it is the truth.
"He thought he was so special" How on earth did you get that close to him to find that one out? Just one observation about him sitting on his own, the seat to his right was reserved for Markus Liebherr, no one was allowed to fill that one, he also stated in an interview that he got very emotional during games and was probably not a good person to be sat next to, I don't think it was an ego problem at all. How much money did he have at his disposal and why have taken all this time to tell us that you are privy to so much information?
Stop being such a fool Osprey.... there is a real world out there.
Come and join me, mine is a much better place. Better than being up Uranus.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Man Utd have won the lot, but I've never heard Man U fans worshipping the Glazers like a lot of you are doing. Most Chelsea fans hate Abromovich. Kroenke and Usmanov are not revered at Arsenal, Newcastle are doing alright, but you don't see any sort of love in between the geordies and Ashley do you? The truth is he is a nasty little banker who did everything for himself whilst you lot kept on massaging his ego. Given the money he had at his disposal we should have been doing a lot better. He thought he was so special that no one was allowed to sit next to him at games and at the end of the day he treated us, the fans, with total contempt. Sorry if this upsets some of you but it is the truth.[/p][/quote]"He thought he was so special" How on earth did you get that close to him to find that one out? Just one observation about him sitting on his own, the seat to his right was reserved for Markus Liebherr, no one was allowed to fill that one, he also stated in an interview that he got very emotional during games and was probably not a good person to be sat next to, I don't think it was an ego problem at all. How much money did he have at his disposal and why have taken all this time to tell us that you are privy to so much information?[/p][/quote]Stop being such a fool Osprey.... there is a real world out there.[/p][/quote]Come and join me, mine is a much better place. Better than being up Uranus. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

11:39am Sat 18 Jan 14

Sadoldgitte says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
costa gaz wrote: Man Utd have won the lot, but I've never heard Man U fans worshipping the Glazers like a lot of you are doing. Most Chelsea fans hate Abromovich. Kroenke and Usmanov are not revered at Arsenal, Newcastle are doing alright, but you don't see any sort of love in between the geordies and Ashley do you? The truth is he is a nasty little banker who did everything for himself whilst you lot kept on massaging his ego. Given the money he had at his disposal we should have been doing a lot better. He thought he was so special that no one was allowed to sit next to him at games and at the end of the day he treated us, the fans, with total contempt. Sorry if this upsets some of you but it is the truth.
Brilliant. The truth hurts. The clubs who do well with famous owners/ executives are few and far between. Berlusconi and Abramovich stand out but people like Deadly Doug Ellis are more the norm.
The sad fact is that no matter how nasty someone is the fans will put up with it if they get success. If we were still in Division 1 there would be street parties today!
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Man Utd have won the lot, but I've never heard Man U fans worshipping the Glazers like a lot of you are doing. Most Chelsea fans hate Abromovich. Kroenke and Usmanov are not revered at Arsenal, Newcastle are doing alright, but you don't see any sort of love in between the geordies and Ashley do you? The truth is he is a nasty little banker who did everything for himself whilst you lot kept on massaging his ego. Given the money he had at his disposal we should have been doing a lot better. He thought he was so special that no one was allowed to sit next to him at games and at the end of the day he treated us, the fans, with total contempt. Sorry if this upsets some of you but it is the truth.[/p][/quote]Brilliant. The truth hurts. The clubs who do well with famous owners/ executives are few and far between. Berlusconi and Abramovich stand out but people like Deadly Doug Ellis are more the norm.[/p][/quote]The sad fact is that no matter how nasty someone is the fans will put up with it if they get success. If we were still in Division 1 there would be street parties today! Sadoldgitte
  • Score: -2

11:40am Sat 18 Jan 14

Thornhill Saint says...

costa gaz wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Man Utd have won the lot, but I've never heard Man U fans worshipping the Glazers like a lot of you are doing.
Most Chelsea fans hate Abromovich.
Kroenke and Usmanov are not revered at Arsenal, Newcastle are doing alright, but you don't see any sort of love in between the geordies and Ashley do you?
The truth is he is a nasty little banker who did everything for himself whilst you lot kept on massaging his ego.
Given the money he had at his disposal we should have been doing a lot better.
He thought he was so special that no one was allowed to sit next to him at games and at the end of the day he treated us, the fans, with total contempt.
Sorry if this upsets some of you but it is the truth.
"He thought he was so special" How on earth did you get that close to him to find that one out? Just one observation about him sitting on his own, the seat to his right was reserved for Markus Liebherr, no one was allowed to fill that one, he also stated in an interview that he got very emotional during games and was probably not a good person to be sat next to, I don't think it was an ego problem at all. How much money did he have at his disposal and why have taken all this time to tell us that you are privy to so much information?
Stop being such a fool Osprey.... there is a real world out there.
Costa Gaz, only one keeping it real. Anyone who does not agree with his vision can get stuffed. Sounds a but like the picture of Cortese he tries so hard to push. Now there's irony :')
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Man Utd have won the lot, but I've never heard Man U fans worshipping the Glazers like a lot of you are doing. Most Chelsea fans hate Abromovich. Kroenke and Usmanov are not revered at Arsenal, Newcastle are doing alright, but you don't see any sort of love in between the geordies and Ashley do you? The truth is he is a nasty little banker who did everything for himself whilst you lot kept on massaging his ego. Given the money he had at his disposal we should have been doing a lot better. He thought he was so special that no one was allowed to sit next to him at games and at the end of the day he treated us, the fans, with total contempt. Sorry if this upsets some of you but it is the truth.[/p][/quote]"He thought he was so special" How on earth did you get that close to him to find that one out? Just one observation about him sitting on his own, the seat to his right was reserved for Markus Liebherr, no one was allowed to fill that one, he also stated in an interview that he got very emotional during games and was probably not a good person to be sat next to, I don't think it was an ego problem at all. How much money did he have at his disposal and why have taken all this time to tell us that you are privy to so much information?[/p][/quote]Stop being such a fool Osprey.... there is a real world out there.[/p][/quote]Costa Gaz, only one keeping it real. Anyone who does not agree with his vision can get stuffed. Sounds a but like the picture of Cortese he tries so hard to push. Now there's irony :') Thornhill Saint
  • Score: 1

11:41am Sat 18 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

bigfella777 wrote:
I agree, too many Nicola huggers on here, anyone would think it was his money that saved the club.He did alright out of it 25k a week.
If you bought something for £13m and someone turned it in to £80m+ would you not think them worth £25k a week? Sounds cheap to me but then people like you think the power behind the team should do it for free but happily pay Gaston £70k a week.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: I agree, too many Nicola huggers on here, anyone would think it was his money that saved the club.He did alright out of it 25k a week.[/p][/quote]If you bought something for £13m and someone turned it in to £80m+ would you not think them worth £25k a week? Sounds cheap to me but then people like you think the power behind the team should do it for free but happily pay Gaston £70k a week. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 8

11:43am Sat 18 Jan 14

up saints says...

fact players managers chairman get sacked or leave.fact liebherr money saved this great football club 4 years ago.
fact players managers chairman get sacked or leave.fact liebherr money saved this great football club 4 years ago. up saints
  • Score: 1

11:49am Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Chambo is in for Clyne today.
Chambo is in for Clyne today. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:50am Sat 18 Jan 14

Buddy SFC says...

But who put the deal together ?? NC !!

Be careful what you say 'Le God' , the Don is listening and may well be back with a take over deal .......... Why otherwise did Poch stay ?????

4 great years and thanks Marcus , now let it be just the start !
But who put the deal together ?? NC !! Be careful what you say 'Le God' , the Don is listening and may well be back with a take over deal .......... Why otherwise did Poch stay ????? 4 great years and thanks Marcus , now let it be just the start ! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 9

11:52am Sat 18 Jan 14

el caballo santos101 says...

CharlieGeorgesMissin
gFinger
wrote:
Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.
who`s sucking NC`s d1ck?
according to your logic we are allowed to `love and worship` MLT because of all he did for the club but aren't allowed to do the same to NC who did so much more.
I don't think theres been one comment, from those who liked NC, slating Legod in the manner the few who didn't like NC are slating him whilst claiming Legod is a hero who`s opinion must never be questioned.
your sure there are quite a few blokes who are intelligent enough to guide us in the same way NC did, well where are they? in our hour of need NC was the only one who stepped up to the plate. I don't think having a good prem history and strong following make it easy to get back from L1 to the prem, leeds haven't done it, derby haven't done it, Blackburn, Middlesbrough etc. etc. etc. the only reason we had `money at disposal` is because NC convinced a extremely wealthy foreign business man to invest in our club. why did we have good chemistry? well doesn't that start from the top? the players and managers believed in NC`s vision for the club, so did a lot of staff.
how was MLT mistreated by the club? he like every other ex-player had the free ticket system removed, I think it was said that over 1000 tickets were given out for free for each home game under the previous chairman. with only 32k able to go to home games we cant afford to give away that many tickets. NC gave Legod a chance at a meeting and Legod couldn't keep his mouth shut, like now, and lost it.
Legod never lost his England career because he stood by us, he lost it because of several factors, firstly the gazza factor, there is only room for one creative midfielder in the squad. secondly managers have formations and styles and Legod didn't fit in. he didn't have the self control either, always going for macdonalds etc. even on the way to games and after being given strict diets by the club. also hoddle didn't seem to like him, when Legod had his testimonial, I was there, every manager was asked to write a few words about him. they all did, even branfoot who praised him despite their differences, well all except hoddle. by all accounts hoddle didn't like the fact that the press were comparing them, a very high ego. something you accuse NC of having, is this the same NC who sacked a very popular manager and replaced him with a relative unknown, therefore taking a load of abuse. or the same NC who hardly ever did interviews, surely if he had a big ego he would have constantly been in the press and tv telling everyone what a great job he was doing?
Legods constant attacks on NC via twitter and his job on soccer Saturday shows a bit more about his character don't you think? and it often dragged the name of our club through the mud.
I love legod and what hes done for our club, as I also love what NC has done for our club. given a choice of which i would rather have running the club, and after all that's why the disagreement started. I can only go for NC, yes he upset a few people especially the press who then took every chance to portray NC as a villain, but I would rather have a chairman who was able to stand up for the club.
[quote][p][bold]CharlieGeorgesMissin gFinger[/bold] wrote: Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.[/p][/quote]who`s sucking NC`s d1ck? according to your logic we are allowed to `love and worship` MLT because of all he did for the club but aren't allowed to do the same to NC who did so much more. I don't think theres been one comment, from those who liked NC, slating Legod in the manner the few who didn't like NC are slating him whilst claiming Legod is a hero who`s opinion must never be questioned. your sure there are quite a few blokes who are intelligent enough to guide us in the same way NC did, well where are they? in our hour of need NC was the only one who stepped up to the plate. I don't think having a good prem history and strong following make it easy to get back from L1 to the prem, leeds haven't done it, derby haven't done it, Blackburn, Middlesbrough etc. etc. etc. the only reason we had `money at disposal` is because NC convinced a extremely wealthy foreign business man to invest in our club. why did we have good chemistry? well doesn't that start from the top? the players and managers believed in NC`s vision for the club, so did a lot of staff. how was MLT mistreated by the club? he like every other ex-player had the free ticket system removed, I think it was said that over 1000 tickets were given out for free for each home game under the previous chairman. with only 32k able to go to home games we cant afford to give away that many tickets. NC gave Legod a chance at a meeting and Legod couldn't keep his mouth shut, like now, and lost it. Legod never lost his England career because he stood by us, he lost it because of several factors, firstly the gazza factor, there is only room for one creative midfielder in the squad. secondly managers have formations and styles and Legod didn't fit in. he didn't have the self control either, always going for macdonalds etc. even on the way to games and after being given strict diets by the club. also hoddle didn't seem to like him, when Legod had his testimonial, I was there, every manager was asked to write a few words about him. they all did, even branfoot who praised him despite their differences, well all except hoddle. by all accounts hoddle didn't like the fact that the press were comparing them, a very high ego. something you accuse NC of having, is this the same NC who sacked a very popular manager and replaced him with a relative unknown, therefore taking a load of abuse. or the same NC who hardly ever did interviews, surely if he had a big ego he would have constantly been in the press and tv telling everyone what a great job he was doing? Legods constant attacks on NC via twitter and his job on soccer Saturday shows a bit more about his character don't you think? and it often dragged the name of our club through the mud. I love legod and what hes done for our club, as I also love what NC has done for our club. given a choice of which i would rather have running the club, and after all that's why the disagreement started. I can only go for NC, yes he upset a few people especially the press who then took every chance to portray NC as a villain, but I would rather have a chairman who was able to stand up for the club. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 8

11:54am Sat 18 Jan 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

Rupert Lowe's Backside wrote:
lowemustgo wrote:
I am not one of those who say 'good riddance', but I do agree that if NC cared more about the club than himself, he would not have left now.
NC is a banker and he made a finders fee (rather like a football agent) from buying the club for Saint Marcus.
Marcus loved football, NC didn't. For NC it was strictly business and very good he was at it too..
We can be sure that NC would not have given up his job in Switzerland to run SFC for Saint Marcus without an exit clause that rewarded him handsomely for a successful sale after four to five years. Investment bankers buy and sell businesses for a living, so when it comes to their own rewards, we can be sure that they take care of their own.
It was a five year project, buy cheap, rebuild and sell when back in the Prem.
While he was alive, Saint Marcus trusted NC to dictate the running of the club as its sole Director.
When the family trust took over, it would have been best practice for one or more of its advisors to join the board and for normal corporate governance rules to apply. Think of Blackburn Rovers which was (successfully) run by the late Jack Walker's will trust (from Jersey) for more than ten years.
For some reason NC wanted to keep sole control of the project and refused to work with the Liebherr will trustees. We can speculate that he was actually more of a buyer than a seller of the club, and he may come back as such.
But we can be sure that by resigning, NC will have given up his significant bonus to be earned when the club is sold by the Liebherrs. He would only have done that if 1) there was no prospect of his bonus ever being earned or 2) he had a conflict of interest in being the sole Director representing the Liebherrs in a sale (perhaps where he was the intended buyer) or 3) he had had enough of living in the UK and wanted back to Europe.
Was he a good businessman -Yes.
Did he have his faults like everyone else - Yes.
Was SFC a 'model' for how a PL club should be run - mostly, but not from the corporate governance point of view as nobody but NC seemed to have a say in anything. Certainly not the fans.
Will NC learn from this experience - you bet he will be back somewhere else in sports management, just like Mo Po learned from his time managing Espanyol.
Do we wish NC well in the future - yes.
Do we love the Liebherrs more - yes.
The king is dead, long live the queen -COYR.
Well articluated thoughts. I can concur with many of the points you have raised, and Im happy to speculate too:

1. There is CLEARLY a problem between what the trustees want and what NC want. Has the SFC corporate strategy been 'realigned' and therefore the only winner was the owner.
2. I think NC has unfinished business. As noted above, he really drove the 'intiial' SFC corporate strategy.
3. That his resignation now provides him with the opportunity to seek new backers -- yes -- but what an inopportune time in the season?
4. Does that mean the Liebherr trustees would sell the NC and his backers - maybe -- that depends on how amicable this split was and what money is on the table. Too many variables.
5. Thus -- is this why MoPo has indicated his intention to 'see out' the season and make a decision in the summer -- definately.
expanding on lowemustgo's well written and well thought out post I think what people have to realise is that when Markus was alive we had a sole owner who could do exactly as he wished with his own money and that included putting NC pretty much in sole charge. The two men clearly had a great deal of respect for each other. However, once Markus died and left his money in a trust things became very different.

The whole point of a trust is that while the legal title to the trust's assets is vested in the trustees they cannot do what they please with those assets. By creating a trust Markus placed the trustees in a position of utmost trust and confidence to manage and protect the assets of the trust. This is known as a 'fiduciary duty'.

I assume that the trust owns a controlling interest in the club (through ownership of the majority of the shares and the ability to appoint and remove directors) and that the club is therefore an asset of the trust that the trustees have a duty to protect. Having one executive in sole charge of the day to day running of the club with an ability to hire and fire and buy and sell players and enter into contracts worth millions of pounds (which is presumably the power NC had) is not good corporate governance and if the trustees allowed that to continue I think they may well have been in breach of their fiduciary duties. In other words, it may simply have been that NC demanded sole control whereas the trustees (of which KL is presumably only one) felt their duties to the trust wouldn't allow that to continue.

So, rather than a falling out over the direction of the club and its future plans it may have been a straightforward power struggle with NC wanting to be in sole charge of major decisions whereas the trustees couldn't allow that and they were therefore trying to introduce 'checks and balances' in line with normal corporate governance models.

We all know what has been said about ML only buying the club if NC ran it for him. Maybe NC's condition was that he be left alone to get on with it and that he simply feels he cannot work under the checks and controls that the trustees were trying to place on him.

Of course, this is just speculation...
[quote][p][bold]Rupert Lowe's Backside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: I am not one of those who say 'good riddance', but I do agree that if NC cared more about the club than himself, he would not have left now. NC is a banker and he made a finders fee (rather like a football agent) from buying the club for Saint Marcus. Marcus loved football, NC didn't. For NC it was strictly business and very good he was at it too.. We can be sure that NC would not have given up his job in Switzerland to run SFC for Saint Marcus without an exit clause that rewarded him handsomely for a successful sale after four to five years. Investment bankers buy and sell businesses for a living, so when it comes to their own rewards, we can be sure that they take care of their own. It was a five year project, buy cheap, rebuild and sell when back in the Prem. While he was alive, Saint Marcus trusted NC to dictate the running of the club as its sole Director. When the family trust took over, it would have been best practice for one or more of its advisors to join the board and for normal corporate governance rules to apply. Think of Blackburn Rovers which was (successfully) run by the late Jack Walker's will trust (from Jersey) for more than ten years. For some reason NC wanted to keep sole control of the project and refused to work with the Liebherr will trustees. We can speculate that he was actually more of a buyer than a seller of the club, and he may come back as such. But we can be sure that by resigning, NC will have given up his significant bonus to be earned when the club is sold by the Liebherrs. He would only have done that if 1) there was no prospect of his bonus ever being earned or 2) he had a conflict of interest in being the sole Director representing the Liebherrs in a sale (perhaps where he was the intended buyer) or 3) he had had enough of living in the UK and wanted back to Europe. Was he a good businessman -Yes. Did he have his faults like everyone else - Yes. Was SFC a 'model' for how a PL club should be run - mostly, but not from the corporate governance point of view as nobody but NC seemed to have a say in anything. Certainly not the fans. Will NC learn from this experience - you bet he will be back somewhere else in sports management, just like Mo Po learned from his time managing Espanyol. Do we wish NC well in the future - yes. Do we love the Liebherrs more - yes. The king is dead, long live the queen -COYR.[/p][/quote]Well articluated thoughts. I can concur with many of the points you have raised, and Im happy to speculate too: 1. There is CLEARLY a problem between what the trustees want and what NC want. Has the SFC corporate strategy been 'realigned' and therefore the only winner was the owner. 2. I think NC has unfinished business. As noted above, he really drove the 'intiial' SFC corporate strategy. 3. That his resignation now provides him with the opportunity to seek new backers -- yes -- but what an inopportune time in the season? 4. Does that mean the Liebherr trustees would sell the NC and his backers - maybe -- that depends on how amicable this split was and what money is on the table. Too many variables. 5. Thus -- is this why MoPo has indicated his intention to 'see out' the season and make a decision in the summer -- definately.[/p][/quote]expanding on lowemustgo's well written and well thought out post I think what people have to realise is that when Markus was alive we had a sole owner who could do exactly as he wished with his own money and that included putting NC pretty much in sole charge. The two men clearly had a great deal of respect for each other. However, once Markus died and left his money in a trust things became very different. The whole point of a trust is that while the legal title to the trust's assets is vested in the trustees they cannot do what they please with those assets. By creating a trust Markus placed the trustees in a position of utmost trust and confidence to manage and protect the assets of the trust. This is known as a 'fiduciary duty'. I assume that the trust owns a controlling interest in the club (through ownership of the majority of the shares and the ability to appoint and remove directors) and that the club is therefore an asset of the trust that the trustees have a duty to protect. Having one executive in sole charge of the day to day running of the club with an ability to hire and fire and buy and sell players and enter into contracts worth millions of pounds (which is presumably the power NC had) is not good corporate governance and if the trustees allowed that to continue I think they may well have been in breach of their fiduciary duties. In other words, it may simply have been that NC demanded sole control whereas the trustees (of which KL is presumably only one) felt their duties to the trust wouldn't allow that to continue. So, rather than a falling out over the direction of the club and its future plans it may have been a straightforward power struggle with NC wanting to be in sole charge of major decisions whereas the trustees couldn't allow that and they were therefore trying to introduce 'checks and balances' in line with normal corporate governance models. We all know what has been said about ML only buying the club if NC ran it for him. Maybe NC's condition was that he be left alone to get on with it and that he simply feels he cannot work under the checks and controls that the trustees were trying to place on him. Of course, this is just speculation... Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 0

11:57am Sat 18 Jan 14

Goalscoringmachine says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
I agree, too many Nicola huggers on here, anyone would think it was his money that saved the club.He did alright out of it 25k a week.
If you bought something for £13m and someone turned it in to £80m+ would you not think them worth £25k a week? Sounds cheap to me but then people like you think the power behind the team should do it for free but happily pay Gaston £70k a week.
And why are the great majority on here hugging NC? Its because we all know he was the commercial genius behind everything that has happened since we were penniless, with -10 points at the bottom of the third tier.
If he does return with new money and a new deal that works for him, who knows what he/we could achieve.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: I agree, too many Nicola huggers on here, anyone would think it was his money that saved the club.He did alright out of it 25k a week.[/p][/quote]If you bought something for £13m and someone turned it in to £80m+ would you not think them worth £25k a week? Sounds cheap to me but then people like you think the power behind the team should do it for free but happily pay Gaston £70k a week.[/p][/quote]And why are the great majority on here hugging NC? Its because we all know he was the commercial genius behind everything that has happened since we were penniless, with -10 points at the bottom of the third tier. If he does return with new money and a new deal that works for him, who knows what he/we could achieve. Goalscoringmachine
  • Score: 4

11:57am Sat 18 Jan 14

Buddy SFC says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
CharlieGeorgesMissin

gFinger
wrote:
Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.
who`s sucking NC`s d1ck?
according to your logic we are allowed to `love and worship` MLT because of all he did for the club but aren't allowed to do the same to NC who did so much more.
I don't think theres been one comment, from those who liked NC, slating Legod in the manner the few who didn't like NC are slating him whilst claiming Legod is a hero who`s opinion must never be questioned.
your sure there are quite a few blokes who are intelligent enough to guide us in the same way NC did, well where are they? in our hour of need NC was the only one who stepped up to the plate. I don't think having a good prem history and strong following make it easy to get back from L1 to the prem, leeds haven't done it, derby haven't done it, Blackburn, Middlesbrough etc. etc. etc. the only reason we had `money at disposal` is because NC convinced a extremely wealthy foreign business man to invest in our club. why did we have good chemistry? well doesn't that start from the top? the players and managers believed in NC`s vision for the club, so did a lot of staff.
how was MLT mistreated by the club? he like every other ex-player had the free ticket system removed, I think it was said that over 1000 tickets were given out for free for each home game under the previous chairman. with only 32k able to go to home games we cant afford to give away that many tickets. NC gave Legod a chance at a meeting and Legod couldn't keep his mouth shut, like now, and lost it.
Legod never lost his England career because he stood by us, he lost it because of several factors, firstly the gazza factor, there is only room for one creative midfielder in the squad. secondly managers have formations and styles and Legod didn't fit in. he didn't have the self control either, always going for macdonalds etc. even on the way to games and after being given strict diets by the club. also hoddle didn't seem to like him, when Legod had his testimonial, I was there, every manager was asked to write a few words about him. they all did, even branfoot who praised him despite their differences, well all except hoddle. by all accounts hoddle didn't like the fact that the press were comparing them, a very high ego. something you accuse NC of having, is this the same NC who sacked a very popular manager and replaced him with a relative unknown, therefore taking a load of abuse. or the same NC who hardly ever did interviews, surely if he had a big ego he would have constantly been in the press and tv telling everyone what a great job he was doing?
Legods constant attacks on NC via twitter and his job on soccer Saturday shows a bit more about his character don't you think? and it often dragged the name of our club through the mud.
I love legod and what hes done for our club, as I also love what NC has done for our club. given a choice of which i would rather have running the club, and after all that's why the disagreement started. I can only go for NC, yes he upset a few people especially the press who then took every chance to portray NC as a villain, but I would rather have a chairman who was able to stand up for the club.
Spot on !
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CharlieGeorgesMissin gFinger[/bold] wrote: Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.[/p][/quote]who`s sucking NC`s d1ck? according to your logic we are allowed to `love and worship` MLT because of all he did for the club but aren't allowed to do the same to NC who did so much more. I don't think theres been one comment, from those who liked NC, slating Legod in the manner the few who didn't like NC are slating him whilst claiming Legod is a hero who`s opinion must never be questioned. your sure there are quite a few blokes who are intelligent enough to guide us in the same way NC did, well where are they? in our hour of need NC was the only one who stepped up to the plate. I don't think having a good prem history and strong following make it easy to get back from L1 to the prem, leeds haven't done it, derby haven't done it, Blackburn, Middlesbrough etc. etc. etc. the only reason we had `money at disposal` is because NC convinced a extremely wealthy foreign business man to invest in our club. why did we have good chemistry? well doesn't that start from the top? the players and managers believed in NC`s vision for the club, so did a lot of staff. how was MLT mistreated by the club? he like every other ex-player had the free ticket system removed, I think it was said that over 1000 tickets were given out for free for each home game under the previous chairman. with only 32k able to go to home games we cant afford to give away that many tickets. NC gave Legod a chance at a meeting and Legod couldn't keep his mouth shut, like now, and lost it. Legod never lost his England career because he stood by us, he lost it because of several factors, firstly the gazza factor, there is only room for one creative midfielder in the squad. secondly managers have formations and styles and Legod didn't fit in. he didn't have the self control either, always going for macdonalds etc. even on the way to games and after being given strict diets by the club. also hoddle didn't seem to like him, when Legod had his testimonial, I was there, every manager was asked to write a few words about him. they all did, even branfoot who praised him despite their differences, well all except hoddle. by all accounts hoddle didn't like the fact that the press were comparing them, a very high ego. something you accuse NC of having, is this the same NC who sacked a very popular manager and replaced him with a relative unknown, therefore taking a load of abuse. or the same NC who hardly ever did interviews, surely if he had a big ego he would have constantly been in the press and tv telling everyone what a great job he was doing? Legods constant attacks on NC via twitter and his job on soccer Saturday shows a bit more about his character don't you think? and it often dragged the name of our club through the mud. I love legod and what hes done for our club, as I also love what NC has done for our club. given a choice of which i would rather have running the club, and after all that's why the disagreement started. I can only go for NC, yes he upset a few people especially the press who then took every chance to portray NC as a villain, but I would rather have a chairman who was able to stand up for the club.[/p][/quote]Spot on ! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 1

11:57am Sat 18 Jan 14

costa gaz says...

up saints wrote:
fact players managers chairman get sacked or leave.fact liebherr money saved this great football club 4 years ago.
Exactly One year ago a huge event at the club split the fans, today we are split again.....


The common denominator?
[quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: fact players managers chairman get sacked or leave.fact liebherr money saved this great football club 4 years ago.[/p][/quote]Exactly One year ago a huge event at the club split the fans, today we are split again..... The common denominator? costa gaz
  • Score: -5

12:15pm Sat 18 Jan 14

ghk230473 says...

Tony Robertson wrote:
Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table.
As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been.
You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away.

Tony Robertson, Stranraer
This is blasphemy!
[quote][p][bold]Tony Robertson[/bold] wrote: Get lost Le Tissier. You muddied the waters before fronting a failed bid at a time when ML's serious bid was on the table. As for 'getting behind the team', we fans always have been. You are just a s**t-stirrer. Go away. Tony Robertson, Stranraer[/p][/quote]This is blasphemy! ghk230473
  • Score: 2

12:19pm Sat 18 Jan 14

el caballo santos101 says...

costa gaz wrote:
up saints wrote:
fact players managers chairman get sacked or leave.fact liebherr money saved this great football club 4 years ago.
Exactly One year ago a huge event at the club split the fans, today we are split again.....


The common denominator?
`the weather? exactly a year ago we were covered in snow, this year we`re covered in water.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: fact players managers chairman get sacked or leave.fact liebherr money saved this great football club 4 years ago.[/p][/quote]Exactly One year ago a huge event at the club split the fans, today we are split again..... The common denominator?[/p][/quote]`the weather? exactly a year ago we were covered in snow, this year we`re covered in water. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

12:22pm Sat 18 Jan 14

ghk230473 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Yeah it's great isn't it? We can now get our stripes back, and get rid of the gorgeous programme sellers for the tramps, we can hang pictures back up of achievements before many were born and be all family again. Oh and go back to the championship which is where we belong eh? Nice provincial club no more getting above our station for us :(
Oh dear oh dear oh dear.... You've got it bad!
Those that hero worshipped the little fella forgot 1 very very important thing.. He was an employee! Would we have done it without him, possibly. Without the money from liebherrs .. No simple
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Yeah it's great isn't it? We can now get our stripes back, and get rid of the gorgeous programme sellers for the tramps, we can hang pictures back up of achievements before many were born and be all family again. Oh and go back to the championship which is where we belong eh? Nice provincial club no more getting above our station for us :([/p][/quote]Oh dear oh dear oh dear.... You've got it bad! Those that hero worshipped the little fella forgot 1 very very important thing.. He was an employee! Would we have done it without him, possibly. Without the money from liebherrs .. No simple ghk230473
  • Score: -2

12:37pm Sat 18 Jan 14

aghios says...

Expat Saints fan here with my personal take.

Before NC went I hadn't felt this excited as a saint since going to Channon's testimonial in May '76 as a 13 year old, or even in March '77 when saints pulled back a two goal deficit against the great Anderlecht of the 70s in the quarter final second leg of the ECWC with just a few minutes to go before extra time.

I feel Cortese was something of a genius in what he did for this club, the likes of whom we will be very lucky ever to see again.

He made us believe yes, with his leadership and drive, but let's not overlook what he also did to re-brand the club's image and give it a unique identity and marketing point. He was the ultimate outsider who came in, saw what to fix – transforming Saints from a potentially “inbred provincial loser”, old boys club (Bengali, Le Tissier) and run-of-the-mill feeder club.

Reading a few stories and posts it seems NC is held to have been arrogant, divisive, and was an alienating character during his tenure. He had the gall, they say, to change the red and white stripes, to alienate staff, cleaners, ex-players, even going so far as to “unforgivably” take down portraits of the 1976 FA triumph.

However, reading between the lines, he was a moderniser, one who must have sussed the small-club mentality and the closed shop jobsworths, sacred cows, and hangers-on in some quarters holding the club back and using it as a cash cow whose influence had to be minimised.

Yes NC is a banker, but he must have seen what seems obvious to any outsider, that SFC, with a catchment area of one million in Hampshire alone, could be challenging in the top half of the PL and could become a club with a world following if it developed an attractive, progressive style of play with an excellent manager, a “la Masia” type infrastructure, and stopped becoming a feeder club. We have now admirers in London, Scotland, and the North West. NC ousted the “small-time” attitude of the few and even made us look “cooler” visually – We no longer send out a message that we look like the Sunderlands, the Stokes, the Brentfords, and the Sheffield Utds of this world, not to mention the sickly yellow and blue “Arsenal” away strip in favour of the classier black shirts. In short we stand out. Superficial? I think it does matter.

Have we now hit a glass ceiling vis-a-vis our PL position and that is why NC left? My instinct says that the longer we develop the Barcelona-type infrastructure, hang on to savvy MP and our players the only way is up.
Expat Saints fan here with my personal take. Before NC went I hadn't felt this excited as a saint since going to Channon's testimonial in May '76 as a 13 year old, or even in March '77 when saints pulled back a two goal deficit against the great Anderlecht of the 70s in the quarter final second leg of the ECWC with just a few minutes to go before extra time. I feel Cortese was something of a genius in what he did for this club, the likes of whom we will be very lucky ever to see again. He made us believe yes, with his leadership and drive, but let's not overlook what he also did to re-brand the club's image and give it a unique identity and marketing point. He was the ultimate outsider who came in, saw what to fix – transforming Saints from a potentially “inbred provincial loser”, old boys club (Bengali, Le Tissier) and run-of-the-mill feeder club. Reading a few stories and posts it seems NC is held to have been arrogant, divisive, and was an alienating character during his tenure. He had the gall, they say, to change the red and white stripes, to alienate staff, cleaners, ex-players, even going so far as to “unforgivably” take down portraits of the 1976 FA triumph. However, reading between the lines, he was a moderniser, one who must have sussed the small-club mentality and the closed shop jobsworths, sacred cows, and hangers-on in some quarters holding the club back and using it as a cash cow whose influence had to be minimised. Yes NC is a banker, but he must have seen what seems obvious to any outsider, that SFC, with a catchment area of one million in Hampshire alone, could be challenging in the top half of the PL and could become a club with a world following if it developed an attractive, progressive style of play with an excellent manager, a “la Masia” type infrastructure, and stopped becoming a feeder club. We have now admirers in London, Scotland, and the North West. NC ousted the “small-time” attitude of the few and even made us look “cooler” visually – We no longer send out a message that we look like the Sunderlands, the Stokes, the Brentfords, and the Sheffield Utds of this world, not to mention the sickly yellow and blue “Arsenal” away strip in favour of the classier black shirts. In short we stand out. Superficial? I think it does matter. Have we now hit a glass ceiling vis-a-vis our PL position and that is why NC left? My instinct says that the longer we develop the Barcelona-type infrastructure, hang on to savvy MP and our players the only way is up. aghios
  • Score: 5

12:37pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

Put it this way, if I had billions to buy a football club I would put a man like NC in charge so that I could leave it all to him and sit back and enjoy the ride. NC did a fantastic job. OK so he ruffled a few feathers along the way, but look at where he got us. Back where we long with better football and more hope for the future than I can remember in more than 40 years of watching Saints. Certainly since the keegan days anyway.
Put it this way, if I had billions to buy a football club I would put a man like NC in charge so that I could leave it all to him and sit back and enjoy the ride. NC did a fantastic job. OK so he ruffled a few feathers along the way, but look at where he got us. Back where we long with better football and more hope for the future than I can remember in more than 40 years of watching Saints. Certainly since the keegan days anyway. Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 6

12:41pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Abbey Saint says...

For the large majority of commenters here who are negative about Le Tissier's comments, just remember that he never walked away from the club.

Yes, he comes across as 'I told you so' but do remember that it is Cortese that has created this rocky situation all on his own. If he truly had the club's interests at heart over this issue he would have waited until a secure and workable hand over could be organised. I also think it's relevent that Poch decided that his best position is with the Saints. Of course, Cortese may well be playing a longer game here, but don't forget that any way you look at it, it's his game for his own interests, and not Saints.
For the large majority of commenters here who are negative about Le Tissier's comments, just remember that he never walked away from the club. Yes, he comes across as 'I told you so' but do remember that it is Cortese that has created this rocky situation all on his own. If he truly had the club's interests at heart over this issue he would have waited until a secure and workable hand over could be organised. I also think it's relevent that Poch decided that his best position is with the Saints. Of course, Cortese may well be playing a longer game here, but don't forget that any way you look at it, it's his game for his own interests, and not Saints. Abbey Saint
  • Score: -3

2:32pm Sat 18 Jan 14

ottostrasser says...

Please Matt STFU you have completely misread the mood of the fans and you are coming over as bitter and childish. Take a leaf out of Lawries book
with his measured comments yesterday.
When I was younger I was one of the fans bowing down to you now frankly
seeing your smug face makes me sick.
Please Matt STFU you have completely misread the mood of the fans and you are coming over as bitter and childish. Take a leaf out of Lawries book with his measured comments yesterday. When I was younger I was one of the fans bowing down to you now frankly seeing your smug face makes me sick. ottostrasser
  • Score: -1

3:05pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Marchwood Malcom says...

Oh give it a rest Tiss. NC was one of the best things to happen to the club in recent history. You should be wishing him luck and acting with the class you showed when you were playing.
Oh give it a rest Tiss. NC was one of the best things to happen to the club in recent history. You should be wishing him luck and acting with the class you showed when you were playing. Marchwood Malcom
  • Score: 9

3:23pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Oracle Section says...

With Sol Sought and a Victory we Like the Project is set to continue.
With Sol Sought and a Victory we Like the Project is set to continue. Oracle Section
  • Score: 1

3:36pm Sat 18 Jan 14

wagsta says...

Clever Dick wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
CharlieGeorgesMissin


gFinger
wrote:
Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.
Thumbs up Charlie. Oops, sorry.
Le Tiss was a legend and kept us in the top tier almost singlehandedly . We owe him for that.He also backed the wrong horse when the club was in dire need of a saviour. Nicola Cortese was the man with the vision and Marcus the man with the money. They not only saved this club but got us two promotions in a row and we are now comfortable in the Prem. That's a near miracle. I for one hope there is a master plan for him to come back. He may be difficult to work with but as they say football is a results driven business.
keep the faith mush, salvation is at hand. The moneyman cometh. COYS + NC
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CharlieGeorgesMissin gFinger[/bold] wrote: Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.[/p][/quote]Thumbs up Charlie. Oops, sorry.[/p][/quote]Le Tiss was a legend and kept us in the top tier almost singlehandedly . We owe him for that.He also backed the wrong horse when the club was in dire need of a saviour. Nicola Cortese was the man with the vision and Marcus the man with the money. They not only saved this club but got us two promotions in a row and we are now comfortable in the Prem. That's a near miracle. I for one hope there is a master plan for him to come back. He may be difficult to work with but as they say football is a results driven business.[/p][/quote]keep the faith mush, salvation is at hand. The moneyman cometh. COYS + NC wagsta
  • Score: 2

3:38pm Sat 18 Jan 14

wagsta says...

costa gaz wrote:
up saints wrote:
fact players managers chairman get sacked or leave.fact liebherr money saved this great football club 4 years ago.
Exactly One year ago a huge event at the club split the fans, today we are split again.....


The common denominator?
red & white stripes, gettem back KL!
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: fact players managers chairman get sacked or leave.fact liebherr money saved this great football club 4 years ago.[/p][/quote]Exactly One year ago a huge event at the club split the fans, today we are split again..... The common denominator?[/p][/quote]red & white stripes, gettem back KL! wagsta
  • Score: -2

3:44pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Sunny Saint says...

Spot-on Matt, you are 100% correct.
I say good riddance to NC. I thank him for his part in the Saint's salvation, but refuse to allow all the credit to be given to one man. As someone else has already posted "The King is Dead. Long live the King (or Queeen)"
Spot-on Matt, you are 100% correct. I say good riddance to NC. I thank him for his part in the Saint's salvation, but refuse to allow all the credit to be given to one man. As someone else has already posted "The King is Dead. Long live the King (or Queeen)" Sunny Saint
  • Score: -10

7:04pm Sat 18 Jan 14

SnapperSaint says...

It would be great to find another chairman/woman with as much drive, commitment, personal involvement, and vision for the future of our club, but who also was a little more approachable, sociable, and recognition of the club's history.
However, I am one of those who could live with NC's failings because of his strengths and because he had started something amazing at our great club.
Do I think we will easily find another chairman with the same strengths as NC? Unlikely.
Is MoPo going to be as committed to the dream without NC? I don't think so.
So on balance, would I like NC back, but with different backers? YES!!!
It would be great to find another chairman/woman with as much drive, commitment, personal involvement, and vision for the future of our club, but who also was a little more approachable, sociable, and recognition of the club's history. However, I am one of those who could live with NC's failings because of his strengths and because he had started something amazing at our great club. Do I think we will easily find another chairman with the same strengths as NC? Unlikely. Is MoPo going to be as committed to the dream without NC? I don't think so. So on balance, would I like NC back, but with different backers? YES!!! SnapperSaint
  • Score: 5

8:34pm Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

costa gaz wrote:
up saints wrote:
fact players managers chairman get sacked or leave.fact liebherr money saved this great football club 4 years ago.
Exactly One year ago a huge event at the club split the fans, today we are split again.....


The common denominator?
A deluded fan base who don't know the true facts?
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: fact players managers chairman get sacked or leave.fact liebherr money saved this great football club 4 years ago.[/p][/quote]Exactly One year ago a huge event at the club split the fans, today we are split again..... The common denominator?[/p][/quote]A deluded fan base who don't know the true facts? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

8:37pm Sat 18 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I get thumbs down because I am boring and a bit repetitive with tunnel vision, the NC haters are getting thumbs down because people are disagreeing with them. If we are split again, what is the percentage either way?
I get thumbs down because I am boring and a bit repetitive with tunnel vision, the NC haters are getting thumbs down because people are disagreeing with them. If we are split again, what is the percentage either way? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:32pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Romsey Larry says...

Positive NC will be back with new owners. Katharina will get a good price and be happy. Poch will stay, along with key players. NC really knows the potential of SFC and i am sure we will end up as a club pushing for Champions League football in the not too distant future. Watch this space.
Meanwhile our thoughts are with Gaston's speedy recovery from that despicable tackle.
Positive NC will be back with new owners. Katharina will get a good price and be happy. Poch will stay, along with key players. NC really knows the potential of SFC and i am sure we will end up as a club pushing for Champions League football in the not too distant future. Watch this space. Meanwhile our thoughts are with Gaston's speedy recovery from that despicable tackle. Romsey Larry
  • Score: 6

10:42pm Sat 18 Jan 14

florida saint says...

matt or n/c round for tea, matty any day..hang your heads in shame all the anti matt brigade, you wouldn't be in this position if matt didn't show us incredible loyalty when he could have gone to any club. he didn't walk, unlike cortese.

thanks for all you done matt. u t s.
matt or n/c round for tea, matty any day..hang your heads in shame all the anti matt brigade, you wouldn't be in this position if matt didn't show us incredible loyalty when he could have gone to any club. he didn't walk, unlike cortese. thanks for all you done matt. u t s. florida saint
  • Score: -6

12:20am Sun 19 Jan 14

F Fan says...

turicky wrote:
CharlieGeorgesMissin

gFinger
wrote:
Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.
Excellent post.
The only thing we know for certain, is NC suggested that ML buy Saints. Despite what some here seem to think, Saints were a very good proposition. It wasn't exactly a gamble. It was not his money. All he did was hold the purse strings, and received a massive amount of money for doing so.
We can only guess, that all he did was the right thing, because we were moving in the right direction. If, just If, he hadn't sacked Pardew. How do we know Saints wouldn't be top of the premiership now. If, again he hadn't sacked Adkins we wouldn't be top also. (Just having Jack Cork back would have made a massive difference, post sacking). Could it be we lost, Coutinho or Buttner, and maybe others because of him. No one knows. It's all conjecture, because, as I said, we're in a great place.
I will say, MP seems a great bloke. I like his style. Unlike NC he does have a personality. At the press conference, he almost answered in English, near the end. Very funny.
As for NC. Let's not forget. He resigned. He was not sacked. Why did he not wait until end of season. KL said she asked him to stay. I'm not so sure he even likes football, apart from the money it can make.
You say that when NC arrived "we were moving in the right direction". What planet were you living on at that time?
[quote][p][bold]turicky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CharlieGeorgesMissin gFinger[/bold] wrote: Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.[/p][/quote]Excellent post. The only thing we know for certain, is NC suggested that ML buy Saints. Despite what some here seem to think, Saints were a very good proposition. It wasn't exactly a gamble. It was not his money. All he did was hold the purse strings, and received a massive amount of money for doing so. We can only guess, that all he did was the right thing, because we were moving in the right direction. If, just If, he hadn't sacked Pardew. How do we know Saints wouldn't be top of the premiership now. If, again he hadn't sacked Adkins we wouldn't be top also. (Just having Jack Cork back would have made a massive difference, post sacking). Could it be we lost, Coutinho or Buttner, and maybe others because of him. No one knows. It's all conjecture, because, as I said, we're in a great place. I will say, MP seems a great bloke. I like his style. Unlike NC he does have a personality. At the press conference, he almost answered in English, near the end. Very funny. As for NC. Let's not forget. He resigned. He was not sacked. Why did he not wait until end of season. KL said she asked him to stay. I'm not so sure he even likes football, apart from the money it can make.[/p][/quote]You say that when NC arrived "we were moving in the right direction". What planet were you living on at that time? F Fan
  • Score: 3

7:48am Sun 19 Jan 14

ctsaint says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
CharlieGeorgesMissin


gFinger
wrote:
Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.
who`s sucking NC`s d1ck?
according to your logic we are allowed to `love and worship` MLT because of all he did for the club but aren't allowed to do the same to NC who did so much more.
I don't think theres been one comment, from those who liked NC, slating Legod in the manner the few who didn't like NC are slating him whilst claiming Legod is a hero who`s opinion must never be questioned.
your sure there are quite a few blokes who are intelligent enough to guide us in the same way NC did, well where are they? in our hour of need NC was the only one who stepped up to the plate. I don't think having a good prem history and strong following make it easy to get back from L1 to the prem, leeds haven't done it, derby haven't done it, Blackburn, Middlesbrough etc. etc. etc. the only reason we had `money at disposal` is because NC convinced a extremely wealthy foreign business man to invest in our club. why did we have good chemistry? well doesn't that start from the top? the players and managers believed in NC`s vision for the club, so did a lot of staff.
how was MLT mistreated by the club? he like every other ex-player had the free ticket system removed, I think it was said that over 1000 tickets were given out for free for each home game under the previous chairman. with only 32k able to go to home games we cant afford to give away that many tickets. NC gave Legod a chance at a meeting and Legod couldn't keep his mouth shut, like now, and lost it.
Legod never lost his England career because he stood by us, he lost it because of several factors, firstly the gazza factor, there is only room for one creative midfielder in the squad. secondly managers have formations and styles and Legod didn't fit in. he didn't have the self control either, always going for macdonalds etc. even on the way to games and after being given strict diets by the club. also hoddle didn't seem to like him, when Legod had his testimonial, I was there, every manager was asked to write a few words about him. they all did, even branfoot who praised him despite their differences, well all except hoddle. by all accounts hoddle didn't like the fact that the press were comparing them, a very high ego. something you accuse NC of having, is this the same NC who sacked a very popular manager and replaced him with a relative unknown, therefore taking a load of abuse. or the same NC who hardly ever did interviews, surely if he had a big ego he would have constantly been in the press and tv telling everyone what a great job he was doing?
Legods constant attacks on NC via twitter and his job on soccer Saturday shows a bit more about his character don't you think? and it often dragged the name of our club through the mud.
I love legod and what hes done for our club, as I also love what NC has done for our club. given a choice of which i would rather have running the club, and after all that's why the disagreement started. I can only go for NC, yes he upset a few people especially the press who then took every chance to portray NC as a villain, but I would rather have a chairman who was able to stand up for the club.
Spot on !
Le Tiss was our greatest player, The Don is our greatest chairman.

One kept us in the top flight at a time of great change in football finance thru genius on the pitch . The other saw the potential in a League One club and executed a strategy with the same perfection Le Tiss executed from the penalty spot.

Anyone who thinks The Don s job easily repeated need only look at bigger clubs than hours still languishing in Championship and League One.......show some respect and stop crying that Le Tiss got upset because his freebies got taken off him.
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CharlieGeorgesMissin gFinger[/bold] wrote: Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.[/p][/quote]who`s sucking NC`s d1ck? according to your logic we are allowed to `love and worship` MLT because of all he did for the club but aren't allowed to do the same to NC who did so much more. I don't think theres been one comment, from those who liked NC, slating Legod in the manner the few who didn't like NC are slating him whilst claiming Legod is a hero who`s opinion must never be questioned. your sure there are quite a few blokes who are intelligent enough to guide us in the same way NC did, well where are they? in our hour of need NC was the only one who stepped up to the plate. I don't think having a good prem history and strong following make it easy to get back from L1 to the prem, leeds haven't done it, derby haven't done it, Blackburn, Middlesbrough etc. etc. etc. the only reason we had `money at disposal` is because NC convinced a extremely wealthy foreign business man to invest in our club. why did we have good chemistry? well doesn't that start from the top? the players and managers believed in NC`s vision for the club, so did a lot of staff. how was MLT mistreated by the club? he like every other ex-player had the free ticket system removed, I think it was said that over 1000 tickets were given out for free for each home game under the previous chairman. with only 32k able to go to home games we cant afford to give away that many tickets. NC gave Legod a chance at a meeting and Legod couldn't keep his mouth shut, like now, and lost it. Legod never lost his England career because he stood by us, he lost it because of several factors, firstly the gazza factor, there is only room for one creative midfielder in the squad. secondly managers have formations and styles and Legod didn't fit in. he didn't have the self control either, always going for macdonalds etc. even on the way to games and after being given strict diets by the club. also hoddle didn't seem to like him, when Legod had his testimonial, I was there, every manager was asked to write a few words about him. they all did, even branfoot who praised him despite their differences, well all except hoddle. by all accounts hoddle didn't like the fact that the press were comparing them, a very high ego. something you accuse NC of having, is this the same NC who sacked a very popular manager and replaced him with a relative unknown, therefore taking a load of abuse. or the same NC who hardly ever did interviews, surely if he had a big ego he would have constantly been in the press and tv telling everyone what a great job he was doing? Legods constant attacks on NC via twitter and his job on soccer Saturday shows a bit more about his character don't you think? and it often dragged the name of our club through the mud. I love legod and what hes done for our club, as I also love what NC has done for our club. given a choice of which i would rather have running the club, and after all that's why the disagreement started. I can only go for NC, yes he upset a few people especially the press who then took every chance to portray NC as a villain, but I would rather have a chairman who was able to stand up for the club.[/p][/quote]Spot on ![/p][/quote]Le Tiss was our greatest player, The Don is our greatest chairman. One kept us in the top flight at a time of great change in football finance thru genius on the pitch . The other saw the potential in a League One club and executed a strategy with the same perfection Le Tiss executed from the penalty spot. Anyone who thinks The Don s job easily repeated need only look at bigger clubs than hours still languishing in Championship and League One.......show some respect and stop crying that Le Tiss got upset because his freebies got taken off him. ctsaint
  • Score: 4

8:54am Sun 19 Jan 14

ctsaint says...

ctsaint wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
CharlieGeorgesMissin



gFinger
wrote:
Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.
who`s sucking NC`s d1ck?
according to your logic we are allowed to `love and worship` MLT because of all he did for the club but aren't allowed to do the same to NC who did so much more.
I don't think theres been one comment, from those who liked NC, slating Legod in the manner the few who didn't like NC are slating him whilst claiming Legod is a hero who`s opinion must never be questioned.
your sure there are quite a few blokes who are intelligent enough to guide us in the same way NC did, well where are they? in our hour of need NC was the only one who stepped up to the plate. I don't think having a good prem history and strong following make it easy to get back from L1 to the prem, leeds haven't done it, derby haven't done it, Blackburn, Middlesbrough etc. etc. etc. the only reason we had `money at disposal` is because NC convinced a extremely wealthy foreign business man to invest in our club. why did we have good chemistry? well doesn't that start from the top? the players and managers believed in NC`s vision for the club, so did a lot of staff.
how was MLT mistreated by the club? he like every other ex-player had the free ticket system removed, I think it was said that over 1000 tickets were given out for free for each home game under the previous chairman. with only 32k able to go to home games we cant afford to give away that many tickets. NC gave Legod a chance at a meeting and Legod couldn't keep his mouth shut, like now, and lost it.
Legod never lost his England career because he stood by us, he lost it because of several factors, firstly the gazza factor, there is only room for one creative midfielder in the squad. secondly managers have formations and styles and Legod didn't fit in. he didn't have the self control either, always going for macdonalds etc. even on the way to games and after being given strict diets by the club. also hoddle didn't seem to like him, when Legod had his testimonial, I was there, every manager was asked to write a few words about him. they all did, even branfoot who praised him despite their differences, well all except hoddle. by all accounts hoddle didn't like the fact that the press were comparing them, a very high ego. something you accuse NC of having, is this the same NC who sacked a very popular manager and replaced him with a relative unknown, therefore taking a load of abuse. or the same NC who hardly ever did interviews, surely if he had a big ego he would have constantly been in the press and tv telling everyone what a great job he was doing?
Legods constant attacks on NC via twitter and his job on soccer Saturday shows a bit more about his character don't you think? and it often dragged the name of our club through the mud.
I love legod and what hes done for our club, as I also love what NC has done for our club. given a choice of which i would rather have running the club, and after all that's why the disagreement started. I can only go for NC, yes he upset a few people especially the press who then took every chance to portray NC as a villain, but I would rather have a chairman who was able to stand up for the club.
Spot on !
Le Tiss was our greatest player, The Don is our greatest chairman.

One kept us in the top flight at a time of great change in football finance thru genius on the pitch . The other saw the potential in a League One club and executed a strategy with the same perfection Le Tiss executed from the penalty spot.

Anyone who thinks The Don s job easily repeated need only look at bigger clubs than hours still languishing in Championship and League One.......show some respect and stop crying that Le Tiss got upset because his freebies got taken off him.
Oh and Le God please mate I love you but your are cheapening your legacy, you should say nothing (spake volumes) or be gracious , shows a total lack of class.
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CharlieGeorgesMissin gFinger[/bold] wrote: Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.[/p][/quote]who`s sucking NC`s d1ck? according to your logic we are allowed to `love and worship` MLT because of all he did for the club but aren't allowed to do the same to NC who did so much more. I don't think theres been one comment, from those who liked NC, slating Legod in the manner the few who didn't like NC are slating him whilst claiming Legod is a hero who`s opinion must never be questioned. your sure there are quite a few blokes who are intelligent enough to guide us in the same way NC did, well where are they? in our hour of need NC was the only one who stepped up to the plate. I don't think having a good prem history and strong following make it easy to get back from L1 to the prem, leeds haven't done it, derby haven't done it, Blackburn, Middlesbrough etc. etc. etc. the only reason we had `money at disposal` is because NC convinced a extremely wealthy foreign business man to invest in our club. why did we have good chemistry? well doesn't that start from the top? the players and managers believed in NC`s vision for the club, so did a lot of staff. how was MLT mistreated by the club? he like every other ex-player had the free ticket system removed, I think it was said that over 1000 tickets were given out for free for each home game under the previous chairman. with only 32k able to go to home games we cant afford to give away that many tickets. NC gave Legod a chance at a meeting and Legod couldn't keep his mouth shut, like now, and lost it. Legod never lost his England career because he stood by us, he lost it because of several factors, firstly the gazza factor, there is only room for one creative midfielder in the squad. secondly managers have formations and styles and Legod didn't fit in. he didn't have the self control either, always going for macdonalds etc. even on the way to games and after being given strict diets by the club. also hoddle didn't seem to like him, when Legod had his testimonial, I was there, every manager was asked to write a few words about him. they all did, even branfoot who praised him despite their differences, well all except hoddle. by all accounts hoddle didn't like the fact that the press were comparing them, a very high ego. something you accuse NC of having, is this the same NC who sacked a very popular manager and replaced him with a relative unknown, therefore taking a load of abuse. or the same NC who hardly ever did interviews, surely if he had a big ego he would have constantly been in the press and tv telling everyone what a great job he was doing? Legods constant attacks on NC via twitter and his job on soccer Saturday shows a bit more about his character don't you think? and it often dragged the name of our club through the mud. I love legod and what hes done for our club, as I also love what NC has done for our club. given a choice of which i would rather have running the club, and after all that's why the disagreement started. I can only go for NC, yes he upset a few people especially the press who then took every chance to portray NC as a villain, but I would rather have a chairman who was able to stand up for the club.[/p][/quote]Spot on ![/p][/quote]Le Tiss was our greatest player, The Don is our greatest chairman. One kept us in the top flight at a time of great change in football finance thru genius on the pitch . The other saw the potential in a League One club and executed a strategy with the same perfection Le Tiss executed from the penalty spot. Anyone who thinks The Don s job easily repeated need only look at bigger clubs than hours still languishing in Championship and League One.......show some respect and stop crying that Le Tiss got upset because his freebies got taken off him.[/p][/quote]Oh and Le God please mate I love you but your are cheapening your legacy, you should say nothing (spake volumes) or be gracious , shows a total lack of class. ctsaint
  • Score: 7

10:12am Sun 19 Jan 14

devonsaint2 says...

ctsaint wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
CharlieGeorgesMissin




gFinger
wrote:
Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.
who`s sucking NC`s d1ck?
according to your logic we are allowed to `love and worship` MLT because of all he did for the club but aren't allowed to do the same to NC who did so much more.
I don't think theres been one comment, from those who liked NC, slating Legod in the manner the few who didn't like NC are slating him whilst claiming Legod is a hero who`s opinion must never be questioned.
your sure there are quite a few blokes who are intelligent enough to guide us in the same way NC did, well where are they? in our hour of need NC was the only one who stepped up to the plate. I don't think having a good prem history and strong following make it easy to get back from L1 to the prem, leeds haven't done it, derby haven't done it, Blackburn, Middlesbrough etc. etc. etc. the only reason we had `money at disposal` is because NC convinced a extremely wealthy foreign business man to invest in our club. why did we have good chemistry? well doesn't that start from the top? the players and managers believed in NC`s vision for the club, so did a lot of staff.
how was MLT mistreated by the club? he like every other ex-player had the free ticket system removed, I think it was said that over 1000 tickets were given out for free for each home game under the previous chairman. with only 32k able to go to home games we cant afford to give away that many tickets. NC gave Legod a chance at a meeting and Legod couldn't keep his mouth shut, like now, and lost it.
Legod never lost his England career because he stood by us, he lost it because of several factors, firstly the gazza factor, there is only room for one creative midfielder in the squad. secondly managers have formations and styles and Legod didn't fit in. he didn't have the self control either, always going for macdonalds etc. even on the way to games and after being given strict diets by the club. also hoddle didn't seem to like him, when Legod had his testimonial, I was there, every manager was asked to write a few words about him. they all did, even branfoot who praised him despite their differences, well all except hoddle. by all accounts hoddle didn't like the fact that the press were comparing them, a very high ego. something you accuse NC of having, is this the same NC who sacked a very popular manager and replaced him with a relative unknown, therefore taking a load of abuse. or the same NC who hardly ever did interviews, surely if he had a big ego he would have constantly been in the press and tv telling everyone what a great job he was doing?
Legods constant attacks on NC via twitter and his job on soccer Saturday shows a bit more about his character don't you think? and it often dragged the name of our club through the mud.
I love legod and what hes done for our club, as I also love what NC has done for our club. given a choice of which i would rather have running the club, and after all that's why the disagreement started. I can only go for NC, yes he upset a few people especially the press who then took every chance to portray NC as a villain, but I would rather have a chairman who was able to stand up for the club.
Spot on !
Le Tiss was our greatest player, The Don is our greatest chairman.

One kept us in the top flight at a time of great change in football finance thru genius on the pitch . The other saw the potential in a League One club and executed a strategy with the same perfection Le Tiss executed from the penalty spot.

Anyone who thinks The Don s job easily repeated need only look at bigger clubs than hours still languishing in Championship and League One.......show some respect and stop crying that Le Tiss got upset because his freebies got taken off him.
Oh and Le God please mate I love you but your are cheapening your legacy, you should say nothing (spake volumes) or be gracious , shows a total lack of class.
What got us from the Lg 1 to the Championship and then the Premire was not NC alone.
I would split it between Nigel Adkins, Rick Lambert and NC.

NC was given a fortune to spend by the 4th or 5th football club owners in the UK. No other big club languishing in the Championship has that money.
I hope NC returns , but take note from Jose Mouriniho and come back with a more civilised , thoughtful approach.......works en better
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CharlieGeorgesMissin gFinger[/bold] wrote: Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.[/p][/quote]who`s sucking NC`s d1ck? according to your logic we are allowed to `love and worship` MLT because of all he did for the club but aren't allowed to do the same to NC who did so much more. I don't think theres been one comment, from those who liked NC, slating Legod in the manner the few who didn't like NC are slating him whilst claiming Legod is a hero who`s opinion must never be questioned. your sure there are quite a few blokes who are intelligent enough to guide us in the same way NC did, well where are they? in our hour of need NC was the only one who stepped up to the plate. I don't think having a good prem history and strong following make it easy to get back from L1 to the prem, leeds haven't done it, derby haven't done it, Blackburn, Middlesbrough etc. etc. etc. the only reason we had `money at disposal` is because NC convinced a extremely wealthy foreign business man to invest in our club. why did we have good chemistry? well doesn't that start from the top? the players and managers believed in NC`s vision for the club, so did a lot of staff. how was MLT mistreated by the club? he like every other ex-player had the free ticket system removed, I think it was said that over 1000 tickets were given out for free for each home game under the previous chairman. with only 32k able to go to home games we cant afford to give away that many tickets. NC gave Legod a chance at a meeting and Legod couldn't keep his mouth shut, like now, and lost it. Legod never lost his England career because he stood by us, he lost it because of several factors, firstly the gazza factor, there is only room for one creative midfielder in the squad. secondly managers have formations and styles and Legod didn't fit in. he didn't have the self control either, always going for macdonalds etc. even on the way to games and after being given strict diets by the club. also hoddle didn't seem to like him, when Legod had his testimonial, I was there, every manager was asked to write a few words about him. they all did, even branfoot who praised him despite their differences, well all except hoddle. by all accounts hoddle didn't like the fact that the press were comparing them, a very high ego. something you accuse NC of having, is this the same NC who sacked a very popular manager and replaced him with a relative unknown, therefore taking a load of abuse. or the same NC who hardly ever did interviews, surely if he had a big ego he would have constantly been in the press and tv telling everyone what a great job he was doing? Legods constant attacks on NC via twitter and his job on soccer Saturday shows a bit more about his character don't you think? and it often dragged the name of our club through the mud. I love legod and what hes done for our club, as I also love what NC has done for our club. given a choice of which i would rather have running the club, and after all that's why the disagreement started. I can only go for NC, yes he upset a few people especially the press who then took every chance to portray NC as a villain, but I would rather have a chairman who was able to stand up for the club.[/p][/quote]Spot on ![/p][/quote]Le Tiss was our greatest player, The Don is our greatest chairman. One kept us in the top flight at a time of great change in football finance thru genius on the pitch . The other saw the potential in a League One club and executed a strategy with the same perfection Le Tiss executed from the penalty spot. Anyone who thinks The Don s job easily repeated need only look at bigger clubs than hours still languishing in Championship and League One.......show some respect and stop crying that Le Tiss got upset because his freebies got taken off him.[/p][/quote]Oh and Le God please mate I love you but your are cheapening your legacy, you should say nothing (spake volumes) or be gracious , shows a total lack of class.[/p][/quote]What got us from the Lg 1 to the Championship and then the Premire was not NC alone. I would split it between Nigel Adkins, Rick Lambert and NC. NC was given a fortune to spend by the 4th or 5th football club owners in the UK. No other big club languishing in the Championship has that money. I hope NC returns , but take note from Jose Mouriniho and come back with a more civilised , thoughtful approach.......works en better devonsaint2
  • Score: -1

10:34am Sun 19 Jan 14

Alicesdad says...

Nobody cares what you think MLT any more.

You were a legend off the pitch, a talented skilful player who never reached his full potential but was a star in our local world.

However you know absolutely nothing about how to run a football club. In addition you freely admit that you were guilty of fixing bets in football during your playing days. I do not know how that was ignored by the authorities, maybe everbody put up a wall of siilece and maybe it was because you had stopped playing and they couldn't be bothered.
BUT if you were still playing today and that came out you would be slaughtered by the press, TV and all media... how times change. It reflects that you are yestterdays news.

I would keep your opinion to yourself on all matters.
Nobody cares what you think MLT any more. You were a legend off the pitch, a talented skilful player who never reached his full potential but was a star in our local world. However you know absolutely nothing about how to run a football club. In addition you freely admit that you were guilty of fixing bets in football during your playing days. I do not know how that was ignored by the authorities, maybe everbody put up a wall of siilece and maybe it was because you had stopped playing and they couldn't be bothered. BUT if you were still playing today and that came out you would be slaughtered by the press, TV and all media... how times change. It reflects that you are yestterdays news. I would keep your opinion to yourself on all matters. Alicesdad
  • Score: 3

10:46am Sun 19 Jan 14

george chivers says...

NC was probably a corporate psychopath. MLT says not a very nice person. They are not paid to be nice. They are paid to get results. That's why nice and smiley 'billionaire' ML employed him. With them results come first and last and tomorrow is always more important than yesterday. He facilitated the results the team achieved on the pitch. That's what mattered to me. It's what I wanted as an emotional share holder in SFC and of course as a non-corporate psychopath. That's what he did for us. It's called leadership. MLT's personal issues and those of his friends need to be put one one side and dealt with personally.

The aspirations of the club, the profit motivated owners of the club and the emotional shareholders are always more important than the gripes of individual past employees.

Time to leave it alone Matt.
NC was probably a corporate psychopath. MLT says not a very nice person. They are not paid to be nice. They are paid to get results. That's why nice and smiley 'billionaire' ML employed him. With them results come first and last and tomorrow is always more important than yesterday. He facilitated the results the team achieved on the pitch. That's what mattered to me. It's what I wanted as an emotional share holder in SFC and of course as a non-corporate psychopath. That's what he did for us. It's called leadership. MLT's personal issues and those of his friends need to be put one one side and dealt with personally. The aspirations of the club, the profit motivated owners of the club and the emotional shareholders are always more important than the gripes of individual past employees. Time to leave it alone Matt. george chivers
  • Score: 4

12:01pm Sun 19 Jan 14

ctsaint says...

devonsaint2 wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
CharlieGeorgesMissin





gFinger
wrote:
Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.
who`s sucking NC`s d1ck?
according to your logic we are allowed to `love and worship` MLT because of all he did for the club but aren't allowed to do the same to NC who did so much more.
I don't think theres been one comment, from those who liked NC, slating Legod in the manner the few who didn't like NC are slating him whilst claiming Legod is a hero who`s opinion must never be questioned.
your sure there are quite a few blokes who are intelligent enough to guide us in the same way NC did, well where are they? in our hour of need NC was the only one who stepped up to the plate. I don't think having a good prem history and strong following make it easy to get back from L1 to the prem, leeds haven't done it, derby haven't done it, Blackburn, Middlesbrough etc. etc. etc. the only reason we had `money at disposal` is because NC convinced a extremely wealthy foreign business man to invest in our club. why did we have good chemistry? well doesn't that start from the top? the players and managers believed in NC`s vision for the club, so did a lot of staff.
how was MLT mistreated by the club? he like every other ex-player had the free ticket system removed, I think it was said that over 1000 tickets were given out for free for each home game under the previous chairman. with only 32k able to go to home games we cant afford to give away that many tickets. NC gave Legod a chance at a meeting and Legod couldn't keep his mouth shut, like now, and lost it.
Legod never lost his England career because he stood by us, he lost it because of several factors, firstly the gazza factor, there is only room for one creative midfielder in the squad. secondly managers have formations and styles and Legod didn't fit in. he didn't have the self control either, always going for macdonalds etc. even on the way to games and after being given strict diets by the club. also hoddle didn't seem to like him, when Legod had his testimonial, I was there, every manager was asked to write a few words about him. they all did, even branfoot who praised him despite their differences, well all except hoddle. by all accounts hoddle didn't like the fact that the press were comparing them, a very high ego. something you accuse NC of having, is this the same NC who sacked a very popular manager and replaced him with a relative unknown, therefore taking a load of abuse. or the same NC who hardly ever did interviews, surely if he had a big ego he would have constantly been in the press and tv telling everyone what a great job he was doing?
Legods constant attacks on NC via twitter and his job on soccer Saturday shows a bit more about his character don't you think? and it often dragged the name of our club through the mud.
I love legod and what hes done for our club, as I also love what NC has done for our club. given a choice of which i would rather have running the club, and after all that's why the disagreement started. I can only go for NC, yes he upset a few people especially the press who then took every chance to portray NC as a villain, but I would rather have a chairman who was able to stand up for the club.
Spot on !
Le Tiss was our greatest player, The Don is our greatest chairman.

One kept us in the top flight at a time of great change in football finance thru genius on the pitch . The other saw the potential in a League One club and executed a strategy with the same perfection Le Tiss executed from the penalty spot.

Anyone who thinks The Don s job easily repeated need only look at bigger clubs than hours still languishing in Championship and League One.......show some respect and stop crying that Le Tiss got upset because his freebies got taken off him.
Oh and Le God please mate I love you but your are cheapening your legacy, you should say nothing (spake volumes) or be gracious , shows a total lack of class.
What got us from the Lg 1 to the Championship and then the Premire was not NC alone.
I would split it between Nigel Adkins, Rick Lambert and NC.

NC was given a fortune to spend by the 4th or 5th football club owners in the UK. No other big club languishing in the Championship has that money.
I hope NC returns , but take note from Jose Mouriniho and come back with a more civilised , thoughtful approach.......works en better
Hmmmm..... Who hired Adkins..???.at the time Cortese was regarded as nuts as we all knew Pardew but few knew of Nige the physio...ditto Pochs appointment. The Liebher cash adds up to £50m invested , I am eternally grateful but it's by no means the biggest investment made , so I am afraid whatever you, Le God and the tradionalists think, I for one believe NC was as exceptional a talent for us as Le Tiss and I hope he comes back as I truly dream/believe/kid myself that he will take us to the next level and help the mighty Saints rock the establishment.......
Le Tiss is the past , Cortese with his friend Markus gave us a future.
[quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CharlieGeorgesMissin gFinger[/bold] wrote: Can everyone please stop sucking corteses dick! Im sure there are quite a few blokes that are intelligent enough to guide a team with great chemistry, a good pl history, money at disposal and a strong following! I love where hes taken us but I dont believe you have to be a god to do what hes done, he is just a good businessman who has now left us in the lurch because of his ego! Now your not giving le tiss the time of **** day! A man who has always stood by the club through everything, hes been mistreated by the club he gave everything to in his career and he still loves sfc! This man had more more than enough quality to have a proper England career but hed rather stand by us! Cortese **** of and left after less than 5 years! Le tiss' love and loyalty to the club is eternal! So sort your **** lives out and appreciate the people who care.[/p][/quote]who`s sucking NC`s d1ck? according to your logic we are allowed to `love and worship` MLT because of all he did for the club but aren't allowed to do the same to NC who did so much more. I don't think theres been one comment, from those who liked NC, slating Legod in the manner the few who didn't like NC are slating him whilst claiming Legod is a hero who`s opinion must never be questioned. your sure there are quite a few blokes who are intelligent enough to guide us in the same way NC did, well where are they? in our hour of need NC was the only one who stepped up to the plate. I don't think having a good prem history and strong following make it easy to get back from L1 to the prem, leeds haven't done it, derby haven't done it, Blackburn, Middlesbrough etc. etc. etc. the only reason we had `money at disposal` is because NC convinced a extremely wealthy foreign business man to invest in our club. why did we have good chemistry? well doesn't that start from the top? the players and managers believed in NC`s vision for the club, so did a lot of staff. how was MLT mistreated by the club? he like every other ex-player had the free ticket system removed, I think it was said that over 1000 tickets were given out for free for each home game under the previous chairman. with only 32k able to go to home games we cant afford to give away that many tickets. NC gave Legod a chance at a meeting and Legod couldn't keep his mouth shut, like now, and lost it. Legod never lost his England career because he stood by us, he lost it because of several factors, firstly the gazza factor, there is only room for one creative midfielder in the squad. secondly managers have formations and styles and Legod didn't fit in. he didn't have the self control either, always going for macdonalds etc. even on the way to games and after being given strict diets by the club. also hoddle didn't seem to like him, when Legod had his testimonial, I was there, every manager was asked to write a few words about him. they all did, even branfoot who praised him despite their differences, well all except hoddle. by all accounts hoddle didn't like the fact that the press were comparing them, a very high ego. something you accuse NC of having, is this the same NC who sacked a very popular manager and replaced him with a relative unknown, therefore taking a load of abuse. or the same NC who hardly ever did interviews, surely if he had a big ego he would have constantly been in the press and tv telling everyone what a great job he was doing? Legods constant attacks on NC via twitter and his job on soccer Saturday shows a bit more about his character don't you think? and it often dragged the name of our club through the mud. I love legod and what hes done for our club, as I also love what NC has done for our club. given a choice of which i would rather have running the club, and after all that's why the disagreement started. I can only go for NC, yes he upset a few people especially the press who then took every chance to portray NC as a villain, but I would rather have a chairman who was able to stand up for the club.[/p][/quote]Spot on ![/p][/quote]Le Tiss was our greatest player, The Don is our greatest chairman. One kept us in the top flight at a time of great change in football finance thru genius on the pitch . The other saw the potential in a League One club and executed a strategy with the same perfection Le Tiss executed from the penalty spot. Anyone who thinks The Don s job easily repeated need only look at bigger clubs than hours still languishing in Championship and League One.......show some respect and stop crying that Le Tiss got upset because his freebies got taken off him.[/p][/quote]Oh and Le God please mate I love you but your are cheapening your legacy, you should say nothing (spake volumes) or be gracious , shows a total lack of class.[/p][/quote]What got us from the Lg 1 to the Championship and then the Premire was not NC alone. I would split it between Nigel Adkins, Rick Lambert and NC. NC was given a fortune to spend by the 4th or 5th football club owners in the UK. No other big club languishing in the Championship has that money. I hope NC returns , but take note from Jose Mouriniho and come back with a more civilised , thoughtful approach.......works en better[/p][/quote]Hmmmm..... Who hired Adkins..???.at the time Cortese was regarded as nuts as we all knew Pardew but few knew of Nige the physio...ditto Pochs appointment. The Liebher cash adds up to £50m invested , I am eternally grateful but it's by no means the biggest investment made , so I am afraid whatever you, Le God and the tradionalists think, I for one believe NC was as exceptional a talent for us as Le Tiss and I hope he comes back as I truly dream/believe/kid myself that he will take us to the next level and help the mighty Saints rock the establishment....... Le Tiss is the past , Cortese with his friend Markus gave us a future. ctsaint
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4:55pm Sun 19 Jan 14

George4th says...

Matt Le Tissier was a great and gifted player for Saints but did not reach his full potential by playing regularly for England. He was a wonderful servant for Southampton FC.

BUT!

He is from the past, and the past has no place in a modern, changing world.

Alas, Le Tiss has become bitter and twisted towards a man who is without doubt, more successful for Southampton FC than Le Tiss ever was! There is/was a handful of "connected" Saints old hands who had their noses put out of joint by a man who refused to allow people to have their noses in the trough!

I wish Cortese every success and I wish Le Tiss to put some Duct tape over his mouth!
Matt Le Tissier was a great and gifted player for Saints but did not reach his full potential by playing regularly for England. He was a wonderful servant for Southampton FC. BUT! He is from the past, and the past has no place in a modern, changing world. Alas, Le Tiss has become bitter and twisted towards a man who is without doubt, more successful for Southampton FC than Le Tiss ever was! There is/was a handful of "connected" Saints old hands who had their noses put out of joint by a man who refused to allow people to have their noses in the trough! I wish Cortese every success and I wish Le Tiss to put some Duct tape over his mouth! George4th
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8:58am Mon 20 Jan 14

lowemustgo says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
Rupert Lowe's Backside wrote:
lowemustgo wrote:
I am not one of those who say 'good riddance', but I do agree that if NC cared more about the club than himself, he would not have left now.
NC is a banker and he made a finders fee (rather like a football agent) from buying the club for Saint Marcus.
Marcus loved football, NC didn't. For NC it was strictly business and very good he was at it too..
We can be sure that NC would not have given up his job in Switzerland to run SFC for Saint Marcus without an exit clause that rewarded him handsomely for a successful sale after four to five years. Investment bankers buy and sell businesses for a living, so when it comes to their own rewards, we can be sure that they take care of their own.
It was a five year project, buy cheap, rebuild and sell when back in the Prem.
While he was alive, Saint Marcus trusted NC to dictate the running of the club as its sole Director.
When the family trust took over, it would have been best practice for one or more of its advisors to join the board and for normal corporate governance rules to apply. Think of Blackburn Rovers which was (successfully) run by the late Jack Walker's will trust (from Jersey) for more than ten years.
For some reason NC wanted to keep sole control of the project and refused to work with the Liebherr will trustees. We can speculate that he was actually more of a buyer than a seller of the club, and he may come back as such.
But we can be sure that by resigning, NC will have given up his significant bonus to be earned when the club is sold by the Liebherrs. He would only have done that if 1) there was no prospect of his bonus ever being earned or 2) he had a conflict of interest in being the sole Director representing the Liebherrs in a sale (perhaps where he was the intended buyer) or 3) he had had enough of living in the UK and wanted back to Europe.
Was he a good businessman -Yes.
Did he have his faults like everyone else - Yes.
Was SFC a 'model' for how a PL club should be run - mostly, but not from the corporate governance point of view as nobody but NC seemed to have a say in anything. Certainly not the fans.
Will NC learn from this experience - you bet he will be back somewhere else in sports management, just like Mo Po learned from his time managing Espanyol.
Do we wish NC well in the future - yes.
Do we love the Liebherrs more - yes.
The king is dead, long live the queen -COYR.
Well articluated thoughts. I can concur with many of the points you have raised, and Im happy to speculate too:

1. There is CLEARLY a problem between what the trustees want and what NC want. Has the SFC corporate strategy been 'realigned' and therefore the only winner was the owner.
2. I think NC has unfinished business. As noted above, he really drove the 'intiial' SFC corporate strategy.
3. That his resignation now provides him with the opportunity to seek new backers -- yes -- but what an inopportune time in the season?
4. Does that mean the Liebherr trustees would sell the NC and his backers - maybe -- that depends on how amicable this split was and what money is on the table. Too many variables.
5. Thus -- is this why MoPo has indicated his intention to 'see out' the season and make a decision in the summer -- definately.
expanding on lowemustgo's well written and well thought out post I think what people have to realise is that when Markus was alive we had a sole owner who could do exactly as he wished with his own money and that included putting NC pretty much in sole charge. The two men clearly had a great deal of respect for each other. However, once Markus died and left his money in a trust things became very different.

The whole point of a trust is that while the legal title to the trust's assets is vested in the trustees they cannot do what they please with those assets. By creating a trust Markus placed the trustees in a position of utmost trust and confidence to manage and protect the assets of the trust. This is known as a 'fiduciary duty'.

I assume that the trust owns a controlling interest in the club (through ownership of the majority of the shares and the ability to appoint and remove directors) and that the club is therefore an asset of the trust that the trustees have a duty to protect. Having one executive in sole charge of the day to day running of the club with an ability to hire and fire and buy and sell players and enter into contracts worth millions of pounds (which is presumably the power NC had) is not good corporate governance and if the trustees allowed that to continue I think they may well have been in breach of their fiduciary duties. In other words, it may simply have been that NC demanded sole control whereas the trustees (of which KL is presumably only one) felt their duties to the trust wouldn't allow that to continue.

So, rather than a falling out over the direction of the club and its future plans it may have been a straightforward power struggle with NC wanting to be in sole charge of major decisions whereas the trustees couldn't allow that and they were therefore trying to introduce 'checks and balances' in line with normal corporate governance models.

We all know what has been said about ML only buying the club if NC ran it for him. Maybe NC's condition was that he be left alone to get on with it and that he simply feels he cannot work under the checks and controls that the trustees were trying to place on him.

Of course, this is just speculation...
Interesting to see the speculation this morning that John Williams, who ran Blackburn Rovers so successfully for the Jack Walker Will trust between Jack's death in 2000 and the sale to Venky's in 2010, is now being lined up for the job. Resources were much tighter then, both in terms of TV money and new money from Blackburn shareholders (none!), so he did a fantastic job. He will know exactly what to do. Only question is whether the sale is imminent and he is being brought in to manage it, or whether its his job to find a buyer and manage the sale. Would look to be a good appointment if it comes off.
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rupert Lowe's Backside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: I am not one of those who say 'good riddance', but I do agree that if NC cared more about the club than himself, he would not have left now. NC is a banker and he made a finders fee (rather like a football agent) from buying the club for Saint Marcus. Marcus loved football, NC didn't. For NC it was strictly business and very good he was at it too.. We can be sure that NC would not have given up his job in Switzerland to run SFC for Saint Marcus without an exit clause that rewarded him handsomely for a successful sale after four to five years. Investment bankers buy and sell businesses for a living, so when it comes to their own rewards, we can be sure that they take care of their own. It was a five year project, buy cheap, rebuild and sell when back in the Prem. While he was alive, Saint Marcus trusted NC to dictate the running of the club as its sole Director. When the family trust took over, it would have been best practice for one or more of its advisors to join the board and for normal corporate governance rules to apply. Think of Blackburn Rovers which was (successfully) run by the late Jack Walker's will trust (from Jersey) for more than ten years. For some reason NC wanted to keep sole control of the project and refused to work with the Liebherr will trustees. We can speculate that he was actually more of a buyer than a seller of the club, and he may come back as such. But we can be sure that by resigning, NC will have given up his significant bonus to be earned when the club is sold by the Liebherrs. He would only have done that if 1) there was no prospect of his bonus ever being earned or 2) he had a conflict of interest in being the sole Director representing the Liebherrs in a sale (perhaps where he was the intended buyer) or 3) he had had enough of living in the UK and wanted back to Europe. Was he a good businessman -Yes. Did he have his faults like everyone else - Yes. Was SFC a 'model' for how a PL club should be run - mostly, but not from the corporate governance point of view as nobody but NC seemed to have a say in anything. Certainly not the fans. Will NC learn from this experience - you bet he will be back somewhere else in sports management, just like Mo Po learned from his time managing Espanyol. Do we wish NC well in the future - yes. Do we love the Liebherrs more - yes. The king is dead, long live the queen -COYR.[/p][/quote]Well articluated thoughts. I can concur with many of the points you have raised, and Im happy to speculate too: 1. There is CLEARLY a problem between what the trustees want and what NC want. Has the SFC corporate strategy been 'realigned' and therefore the only winner was the owner. 2. I think NC has unfinished business. As noted above, he really drove the 'intiial' SFC corporate strategy. 3. That his resignation now provides him with the opportunity to seek new backers -- yes -- but what an inopportune time in the season? 4. Does that mean the Liebherr trustees would sell the NC and his backers - maybe -- that depends on how amicable this split was and what money is on the table. Too many variables. 5. Thus -- is this why MoPo has indicated his intention to 'see out' the season and make a decision in the summer -- definately.[/p][/quote]expanding on lowemustgo's well written and well thought out post I think what people have to realise is that when Markus was alive we had a sole owner who could do exactly as he wished with his own money and that included putting NC pretty much in sole charge. The two men clearly had a great deal of respect for each other. However, once Markus died and left his money in a trust things became very different. The whole point of a trust is that while the legal title to the trust's assets is vested in the trustees they cannot do what they please with those assets. By creating a trust Markus placed the trustees in a position of utmost trust and confidence to manage and protect the assets of the trust. This is known as a 'fiduciary duty'. I assume that the trust owns a controlling interest in the club (through ownership of the majority of the shares and the ability to appoint and remove directors) and that the club is therefore an asset of the trust that the trustees have a duty to protect. Having one executive in sole charge of the day to day running of the club with an ability to hire and fire and buy and sell players and enter into contracts worth millions of pounds (which is presumably the power NC had) is not good corporate governance and if the trustees allowed that to continue I think they may well have been in breach of their fiduciary duties. In other words, it may simply have been that NC demanded sole control whereas the trustees (of which KL is presumably only one) felt their duties to the trust wouldn't allow that to continue. So, rather than a falling out over the direction of the club and its future plans it may have been a straightforward power struggle with NC wanting to be in sole charge of major decisions whereas the trustees couldn't allow that and they were therefore trying to introduce 'checks and balances' in line with normal corporate governance models. We all know what has been said about ML only buying the club if NC ran it for him. Maybe NC's condition was that he be left alone to get on with it and that he simply feels he cannot work under the checks and controls that the trustees were trying to place on him. Of course, this is just speculation...[/p][/quote]Interesting to see the speculation this morning that John Williams, who ran Blackburn Rovers so successfully for the Jack Walker Will trust between Jack's death in 2000 and the sale to Venky's in 2010, is now being lined up for the job. Resources were much tighter then, both in terms of TV money and new money from Blackburn shareholders (none!), so he did a fantastic job. He will know exactly what to do. Only question is whether the sale is imminent and he is being brought in to manage it, or whether its his job to find a buyer and manage the sale. Would look to be a good appointment if it comes off. lowemustgo
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