Koeman faces selection dilemma at centre half

Toby Alderweireld

Toby Alderweireld

First published in Sport Basingstoke Gazette: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Sports Writer

Ronald Koeman is waking up to a headache he has been dreaming about since joining Saints – a genuine selection dilemma.

The Saints boss cut a happy figure as the transfer window slammed shut this week with Toby Alderweireld and Sadio Mane completing deadline day moves.

It meant Koeman landed players in every position he wanted during the summer, and can start the task of moulding a settled squad as he wants it.

However, his life isn’t getting too much easier.

Having built a base for competition in every single position, arguably with much greater depth than last year’s squad contained, he now has to work out his first choice team.

That will inevitably lead to making some players happy and others frustrated.

Nowhere are his problems more acute than at centre half, where Florin Gardos and Alderweireld, established international footballers, have been brought in, both expecting and hoping for first team football.

It is an area of the squad that also contains the influential Jose Fonte, who has only just been appointed as the club’s on field captain, and Japan international Maya Yoshida.

Upon joining the club, Alderweireld dropped a strong hint that he felt he was going to be a first team regular during his season long loan, which has an €8m (£6.3m) option to make the deal permanent.

He said: “I had a good talk with the coach. First of all, it was very important for me to play this season and the coach gave me a good solution for that.”

If that is indeed the case, then it begs the question as to who is going to make way for Alderweireld to play.

He is primarily a right-sided player.

It is hard to imagine him dislodging Nathaniel Clyne at right back after his good start to the season.

As a right sided centre half the most natural spot for him to take would be the one occupied by Fonte.

But with Fonte being the team’s new captain, signing a new deal and a big presence for the team on the pitch and in the dressing room, it seems unlikely he will be dropped.

It may well be therefore that Koeman decides to play two right sided centre halves, which is not ideal but far from unheard of either, leaving the naturally left sided players of Gardos and Yoshida on the bench.

These though are the decisions Koeman has been craving since taking charge of the club and now the focus is on the football rather than the transfer window.

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7:42am Wed 3 Sep 14

Southampton boy says...

As a Saints Fan I am waking up this morning thinking we have a very good team and could get to top 6 this season, and also have a good cup runs this are looking up in the rose garden


COYR's
As a Saints Fan I am waking up this morning thinking we have a very good team and could get to top 6 this season, and also have a good cup runs this are looking up in the rose garden COYR's Southampton boy
  • Score: 53

7:50am Wed 3 Sep 14

jls217 says...

http://www.foxsports
.com/soccer/lists/su
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It seems Foxsports don't agree with all of us.
http://www.foxsports .com/soccer/lists/su mmer-transfer-window -2014-winners-and-lo sers-chelsea-manches ter-united-real-madr id-barcelona-090214# img_7 It seems Foxsports don't agree with all of us. jls217
  • Score: -30

8:03am Wed 3 Sep 14

Shrewdsaint says...

Or he could go to 3 at the back to show the other dutchman how its done.
Or he could go to 3 at the back to show the other dutchman how its done. Shrewdsaint
  • Score: 43

8:09am Wed 3 Sep 14

AdamG10 says...

Ronald has so many options now to mix things up depending on who we play. Not a bad position to be in at all. We lacked a plan B last season in my opinion. Now we have B,c,d etc etc. Ronald's revolution is in full swing.
Ronald has so many options now to mix things up depending on who we play. Not a bad position to be in at all. We lacked a plan B last season in my opinion. Now we have B,c,d etc etc. Ronald's revolution is in full swing. AdamG10
  • Score: 65

8:12am Wed 3 Sep 14

Saint Clements says...

Shrewdsaint wrote:
Or he could go to 3 at the back to show the other dutchman how its done.
Was just going to post the same thing. Fonte in the middle, with Toby to the right and Gardos to the left. Wing backs of Clyne and Bertie. Spider and Victor in the middle. And Mane and Tadic roaming fluidly behind Pelle.

Looks strong to me.
[quote][p][bold]Shrewdsaint[/bold] wrote: Or he could go to 3 at the back to show the other dutchman how its done.[/p][/quote]Was just going to post the same thing. Fonte in the middle, with Toby to the right and Gardos to the left. Wing backs of Clyne and Bertie. Spider and Victor in the middle. And Mane and Tadic roaming fluidly behind Pelle. Looks strong to me. Saint Clements
  • Score: 107

8:23am Wed 3 Sep 14

BarnetSaint says...

I don't think we can play Morgan, vic and Steven Davis.
They're largely DM players.
I would imagine the latter making way for our pact new winger.
Above all, we need patience, no way can we finish top 6.
Anything between 12th and 8 th would be good.
I don't think we can play Morgan, vic and Steven Davis. They're largely DM players. I would imagine the latter making way for our pact new winger. Above all, we need patience, no way can we finish top 6. Anything between 12th and 8 th would be good. BarnetSaint
  • Score: -25

8:24am Wed 3 Sep 14

Dubai-saints89 says...

jls217 wrote:
http://www.foxsports

.com/soccer/lists/su

mmer-transfer-window

-2014-winners-and-lo

sers-chelsea-manches

ter-united-real-madr

id-barcelona-090214#

img_7

It seems Foxsports don't agree with all of us.
fox sports is run by a bunch of clueless yanks. "soccer fans" pssh.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: http://www.foxsports .com/soccer/lists/su mmer-transfer-window -2014-winners-and-lo sers-chelsea-manches ter-united-real-madr id-barcelona-090214# img_7 It seems Foxsports don't agree with all of us.[/p][/quote]fox sports is run by a bunch of clueless yanks. "soccer fans" pssh. Dubai-saints89
  • Score: 53

8:26am Wed 3 Sep 14

Dubai-saints89 says...

Toby has to start IMO, alongside Fonte. Use Gardos/Yoshi or Fonte for the cup games.

we've got enough talent to take the cup games seriously.
Toby has to start IMO, alongside Fonte. Use Gardos/Yoshi or Fonte for the cup games. we've got enough talent to take the cup games seriously. Dubai-saints89
  • Score: 25

8:28am Wed 3 Sep 14

JimmyLondon says...

My team for the season basewd on a standard 442.

Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane
Rodriguez Pelle

i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back.

or 433
Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Ward prose Spider Wanyama
Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez

or 4231
Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Wanyama Cork
Tadic Spider Mane
Pelle

or how about 352

Forster
Fonte Alderweiled Gardos
Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand
pelle mane or Rodriguez

this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida

we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations.

Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included!

The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also

looking forward to the season ahead.
My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead. JimmyLondon
  • Score: 62

8:44am Wed 3 Sep 14

nomorerumours says...

Saint Clements wrote:
Shrewdsaint wrote:
Or he could go to 3 at the back to show the other dutchman how its done.
Was just going to post the same thing. Fonte in the middle, with Toby to the right and Gardos to the left. Wing backs of Clyne and Bertie. Spider and Victor in the middle. And Mane and Tadic roaming fluidly behind Pelle.

Looks strong to me.
100% agree. This is exactly the team I would go with initially. RonKo has said that he likes a degree of squad rotation to keep everyone sharp. He will need to balance this against not interfering with a winning team (when we have put a good run of results together - very soon!). Most substitutions (not injury induced ones) are up front of in midfield as it can be unsettling to change the back 4 during a game. So, I would imagine that the squad rotation will be more evident at the back with one or two changes to the starting line ups over several games, giving those players a full 90 minutes. We seem set to put out our strongest team against Arsenal, giving us a great chance of progressing in the League Cup. Assuming we win there and, of course with our 4-1 thumping of Newcastle and a good win at Swansea, then RonKo might make some tweaks. Overall, the most important thing is to have all our squad fighting for those precious 1st team places. It's great to have these positive selection problems.
[quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shrewdsaint[/bold] wrote: Or he could go to 3 at the back to show the other dutchman how its done.[/p][/quote]Was just going to post the same thing. Fonte in the middle, with Toby to the right and Gardos to the left. Wing backs of Clyne and Bertie. Spider and Victor in the middle. And Mane and Tadic roaming fluidly behind Pelle. Looks strong to me.[/p][/quote]100% agree. This is exactly the team I would go with initially. RonKo has said that he likes a degree of squad rotation to keep everyone sharp. He will need to balance this against not interfering with a winning team (when we have put a good run of results together - very soon!). Most substitutions (not injury induced ones) are up front of in midfield as it can be unsettling to change the back 4 during a game. So, I would imagine that the squad rotation will be more evident at the back with one or two changes to the starting line ups over several games, giving those players a full 90 minutes. We seem set to put out our strongest team against Arsenal, giving us a great chance of progressing in the League Cup. Assuming we win there and, of course with our 4-1 thumping of Newcastle and a good win at Swansea, then RonKo might make some tweaks. Overall, the most important thing is to have all our squad fighting for those precious 1st team places. It's great to have these positive selection problems. nomorerumours
  • Score: 13

8:44am Wed 3 Sep 14

Outside of the Box says...

Eating my Rice Crispies this morning I was thinking the exact same thing.

Forster
Clyne Alderweireld Fonte Gardos Bertrand

Victor Morgan
Tadic
Mane Pelle
Eating my Rice Crispies this morning I was thinking the exact same thing. Forster Clyne Alderweireld Fonte Gardos Bertrand Victor Morgan Tadic Mane Pelle Outside of the Box
  • Score: 8

8:48am Wed 3 Sep 14

Saintsimon9 says...

JimmyLondon wrote:
My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.
So no place for Long in any of your teams or even on your bench?!
[quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.[/p][/quote]So no place for Long in any of your teams or even on your bench?! Saintsimon9
  • Score: 13

8:49am Wed 3 Sep 14

Alicesdad says...

Not much to talk about now is there?

Now that Eastleigh have risen to second most credble team in Hampshire we can't even be bothered to bait the naval scrapyard team.

I need to recharge my batteries - long season ahead.
Not much to talk about now is there? Now that Eastleigh have risen to second most credble team in Hampshire we can't even be bothered to bait the naval scrapyard team. I need to recharge my batteries - long season ahead. Alicesdad
  • Score: 18

8:51am Wed 3 Sep 14

JimmyLondon says...

Saintsimon9 wrote:
JimmyLondon wrote: My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.
So no place for Long in any of your teams or even on your bench?!
just goes to show how many options we have when i forget a player all together!!! Sorry Shane.. i do like the look of our squad now.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsimon9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.[/p][/quote]So no place for Long in any of your teams or even on your bench?![/p][/quote]just goes to show how many options we have when i forget a player all together!!! Sorry Shane.. i do like the look of our squad now. JimmyLondon
  • Score: 15

9:01am Wed 3 Sep 14

Chipmonk1 says...

In the comments after the article saying we had lost out on Toby (hope I spelt that correctly) to Sunderland, I posted that perhaps we had missed out because he was seeking guaranteed first team football. Not in anyway wanting to be a killjoy but I wonder if just such a guarantee was given. If so it may damage morale. That said, I do have complete faith in RoKo and believe he is genuinely better than his predecessor who IMHO was the best manager since WGS. The future is truely bright. Ps nice to see some of the neggies put their hands up and admit they may have over reacted.
In the comments after the article saying we had lost out on Toby (hope I spelt that correctly) to Sunderland, I posted that perhaps we had missed out because he was seeking guaranteed first team football. Not in anyway wanting to be a killjoy but I wonder if just such a guarantee was given. If so it may damage morale. That said, I do have complete faith in RoKo and believe he is genuinely better than his predecessor who IMHO was the best manager since WGS. The future is truely bright. Ps nice to see some of the neggies put their hands up and admit they may have over reacted. [Quiet applause] Chipmonk1
  • Score: 20

9:03am Wed 3 Sep 14

FortWorth_Saint says...

I have a Football League Review dated Sept 10 1966. There is an article in there on the Saints.

Ted Bates made a statement: "And we need to educate people away from the old idea of a goalkeeper, two full backs, three half backs and five forwards. This is in the past."

Ted had a vision. That year the Saints took the first step by changing their programme style of team presentation. Instead of publishing in the traditional 1-2-3-5 order the programme listed the players in a straight line down the page numbering from one to 11, plus the substitute.

What Ted was saying is that players should be multi-positional. We are seeing that today. I don't think we have a formation with only one player up front unless the manager is inept. Everyone is supposed to attack.

I see the Saints having two primary wingers (Mane and Long) who will switch sides frequently and feed Pelle.

We then have the defensive part of the team who also attacking.

The goalkeeper is the only one who is fixed except for, perhaps, the last few minutes when desperation mode sets in.

Discussion?
I have a Football League Review dated Sept 10 1966. There is an article in there on the Saints. Ted Bates made a statement: "And we need to educate people away from the old idea of a goalkeeper, two full backs, three half backs and five forwards. This is in the past." Ted had a vision. That year the Saints took the first step by changing their programme style of team presentation. Instead of publishing in the traditional 1-2-3-5 order the programme listed the players in a straight line down the page numbering from one to 11, plus the substitute. What Ted was saying is that players should be multi-positional. We are seeing that today. I don't think we have a formation with only one player up front unless the manager is inept. Everyone is supposed to attack. I see the Saints having two primary wingers (Mane and Long) who will switch sides frequently and feed Pelle. We then have the defensive part of the team who also attacking. The goalkeeper is the only one who is fixed except for, perhaps, the last few minutes when desperation mode sets in. Discussion? FortWorth_Saint
  • Score: 7

9:04am Wed 3 Sep 14

jerseysaint says...

JimmyLondon wrote:
My team for the season basewd on a standard 442.

Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane
Rodriguez Pelle

i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back.

or 433
Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Ward prose Spider Wanyama
Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez

or 4231
Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Wanyama Cork
Tadic Spider Mane
Pelle

or how about 352

Forster
Fonte Alderweiled Gardos
Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand
pelle mane or Rodriguez

this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida

we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations.

Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included!

The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also

looking forward to the season ahead.
I really like the 3.5.2 system.
cover for defence and fast wingers giving balls into the box.
Not sure how Long fits in now,probably on the bench as a option B.
I bet Ricky Lambert is kicking himself he may have scored a lot of goals this year and he wont play much for Liverpool.
once Jay Rod comes back we are a scary proposition in all areas.
[quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.[/p][/quote]I really like the 3.5.2 system. cover for defence and fast wingers giving balls into the box. Not sure how Long fits in now,probably on the bench as a option B. I bet Ricky Lambert is kicking himself he may have scored a lot of goals this year and he wont play much for Liverpool. once Jay Rod comes back we are a scary proposition in all areas. jerseysaint
  • Score: 3

9:05am Wed 3 Sep 14

Saint Jamie says...

I'd say alderweireld has to play without a doubt and fonte should move over to left CB. Keep clyne and bertrand at full backs and use gardos and yoshi as back up but start them in the cup games.
I'd say alderweireld has to play without a doubt and fonte should move over to left CB. Keep clyne and bertrand at full backs and use gardos and yoshi as back up but start them in the cup games. Saint Jamie
  • Score: -3

9:05am Wed 3 Sep 14

Clever Dick says...

Going to be tough on Yoshida again this season. He lost out to that Croatian we had last season and now he could easily end up fourth choice. He's done pretty well this season too. Our bench is looking pretty awesome as well now so over to you Ron. It will be interesting to see how you keep everybody happy.
Going to be tough on Yoshida again this season. He lost out to that Croatian we had last season and now he could easily end up fourth choice. He's done pretty well this season too. Our bench is looking pretty awesome as well now so over to you Ron. It will be interesting to see how you keep everybody happy. Clever Dick
  • Score: 13

9:08am Wed 3 Sep 14

hedge end bob says...

Glad i'm not BIG RON !!!!
Iwill just sit watch ,cheer and enjoy. Well done KATHERINA , you and the board have made a few people sit up and think ,well worth the season ticket money.
Glad i'm not BIG RON !!!! Iwill just sit watch ,cheer and enjoy. Well done KATHERINA , you and the board have made a few people sit up and think ,well worth the season ticket money. hedge end bob
  • Score: 35

9:16am Wed 3 Sep 14

elvis says...

JimmyLondon wrote:
My team for the season basewd on a standard 442.

Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane
Rodriguez Pelle

i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back.

or 433
Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Ward prose Spider Wanyama
Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez

or 4231
Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Wanyama Cork
Tadic Spider Mane
Pelle

or how about 352

Forster
Fonte Alderweiled Gardos
Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand
pelle mane or Rodriguez

this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida

we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations.

Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included!

The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also

looking forward to the season ahead.
Err Shane Long ?
[quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.[/p][/quote]Err Shane Long ? elvis
  • Score: -3

9:19am Wed 3 Sep 14

Saint Clements says...

Saintsimon9 wrote:
JimmyLondon wrote:
My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.
So no place for Long in any of your teams or even on your bench?!
Long is a very bad buy. This is not being negative, but a balanced reaction to a £12m spend on a non-scoring striker. When J-Rod is back, and supposing our players are all fit and firing, I personally struggle to see him even making it off the bench in many games.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsimon9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.[/p][/quote]So no place for Long in any of your teams or even on your bench?![/p][/quote]Long is a very bad buy. This is not being negative, but a balanced reaction to a £12m spend on a non-scoring striker. When J-Rod is back, and supposing our players are all fit and firing, I personally struggle to see him even making it off the bench in many games. Saint Clements
  • Score: -15

9:27am Wed 3 Sep 14

FortWorth_Saint says...

Saint Clements wrote:
Saintsimon9 wrote:
JimmyLondon wrote:
My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.
So no place for Long in any of your teams or even on your bench?!
Long is a very bad buy. This is not being negative, but a balanced reaction to a £12m spend on a non-scoring striker. When J-Rod is back, and supposing our players are all fit and firing, I personally struggle to see him even making it off the bench in many games.
I don't expect him to score. I expect him to feed Pelle.
[quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsimon9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.[/p][/quote]So no place for Long in any of your teams or even on your bench?![/p][/quote]Long is a very bad buy. This is not being negative, but a balanced reaction to a £12m spend on a non-scoring striker. When J-Rod is back, and supposing our players are all fit and firing, I personally struggle to see him even making it off the bench in many games.[/p][/quote]I don't expect him to score. I expect him to feed Pelle. FortWorth_Saint
  • Score: 21

9:31am Wed 3 Sep 14

Alicesdad says...

I made a comment yesterday that I can't see how Long will get much match time if all the others live up to their billing. Long is a good player there is no doubt about that but his price was a few more pounds per kilo than I thought was justified. But at the time of purchase nothing was clear on our other striker targets so we had to make move or risk losing out.

You never know though, maybe when he does get a chance (..if...) he will crack in a hat trick and will hold his place.

Funny old game football.
I made a comment yesterday that I can't see how Long will get much match time if all the others live up to their billing. Long is a good player there is no doubt about that but his price was a few more pounds per kilo than I thought was justified. But at the time of purchase nothing was clear on our other striker targets so we had to make move or risk losing out. You never know though, maybe when he does get a chance (..if...) he will crack in a hat trick and will hold his place. Funny old game football. Alicesdad
  • Score: 14

9:38am Wed 3 Sep 14

Chipmonk1 says...

Alicesdad wrote:
I made a comment yesterday that I can't see how Long will get much match time if all the others live up to their billing. Long is a good player there is no doubt about that but his price was a few more pounds per kilo than I thought was justified. But at the time of purchase nothing was clear on our other striker targets so we had to make move or risk losing out.

You never know though, maybe when he does get a chance (..if...) he will crack in a hat trick and will hold his place.

Funny old game football.
It shows the ambition of Saints now. Last season injuries led us to turn to Gully and Sam G. I think Sam still has some development to go so having Shane as an option puts us in good stead. Also he offers a different dimension to Pelle in attack. As others have pointed out, RoKo has a plan b, c etc and now has the squad to implement them. Just hope those waiting in the wings are patient and deliver when called upon.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I made a comment yesterday that I can't see how Long will get much match time if all the others live up to their billing. Long is a good player there is no doubt about that but his price was a few more pounds per kilo than I thought was justified. But at the time of purchase nothing was clear on our other striker targets so we had to make move or risk losing out. You never know though, maybe when he does get a chance (..if...) he will crack in a hat trick and will hold his place. Funny old game football.[/p][/quote]It shows the ambition of Saints now. Last season injuries led us to turn to Gully and Sam G. I think Sam still has some development to go so having Shane as an option puts us in good stead. Also he offers a different dimension to Pelle in attack. As others have pointed out, RoKo has a plan b, c etc and now has the squad to implement them. Just hope those waiting in the wings are patient and deliver when called upon. Chipmonk1
  • Score: 24

9:48am Wed 3 Sep 14

Saint Clements says...

FortWorth_Saint wrote:
Saint Clements wrote:
Saintsimon9 wrote:
JimmyLondon wrote:
My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.
So no place for Long in any of your teams or even on your bench?!
Long is a very bad buy. This is not being negative, but a balanced reaction to a £12m spend on a non-scoring striker. When J-Rod is back, and supposing our players are all fit and firing, I personally struggle to see him even making it off the bench in many games.
I don't expect him to score. I expect him to feed Pelle.
Really - so who'd you drop then to play him?
[quote][p][bold]FortWorth_Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsimon9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.[/p][/quote]So no place for Long in any of your teams or even on your bench?![/p][/quote]Long is a very bad buy. This is not being negative, but a balanced reaction to a £12m spend on a non-scoring striker. When J-Rod is back, and supposing our players are all fit and firing, I personally struggle to see him even making it off the bench in many games.[/p][/quote]I don't expect him to score. I expect him to feed Pelle.[/p][/quote]Really - so who'd you drop then to play him? Saint Clements
  • Score: -5

9:50am Wed 3 Sep 14

Poole Tom says...

Bearing in mind that at present most of us on here have yet to see several of our new players kick a ball in anger I don`t see how we can possibly start picking a team for the next match. It might be fun but that`s as far as it goes. The best eleven on paper may not prove to be the best eleven on grass. For example two right sided centre halves might not work. Injuries, suspensions and current form will also no doubt play a part. So I suggest that we just chill and leave the decisions to our management team who so far certainly seem to know exactly what they are doing.
Bearing in mind that at present most of us on here have yet to see several of our new players kick a ball in anger I don`t see how we can possibly start picking a team for the next match. It might be fun but that`s as far as it goes. The best eleven on paper may not prove to be the best eleven on grass. For example two right sided centre halves might not work. Injuries, suspensions and current form will also no doubt play a part. So I suggest that we just chill and leave the decisions to our management team who so far certainly seem to know exactly what they are doing. Poole Tom
  • Score: 27

9:59am Wed 3 Sep 14

jls217 says...

JimmyLondon wrote:
My team for the season basewd on a standard 442.

Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane
Rodriguez Pelle

i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back.

or 433
Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Ward prose Spider Wanyama
Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez

or 4231
Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Wanyama Cork
Tadic Spider Mane
Pelle

or how about 352

Forster
Fonte Alderweiled Gardos
Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand
pelle mane or Rodriguez

this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida

we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations.

Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included!

The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also

looking forward to the season ahead.
Interesting you've put Spyder in the middle of each - I agree, I would too. The team should revolve around him.

As for the rest, well the team will be pick by availability, tactics, opposition, and form I guess and for the first time in a long time we have a manager who can switch and has at least two quality players to fit into each position.

This season will be very interesting. There have been times I've looked at our bench and thought god help us - I now look and see an array of players who would fit into any premiership squad. Love it.

Nearly forgot to add - and take a look at the academy and see just what is chomping at the bit to step up. Again love it.
[quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.[/p][/quote]Interesting you've put Spyder in the middle of each - I agree, I would too. The team should revolve around him. As for the rest, well the team will be pick by availability, tactics, opposition, and form I guess and for the first time in a long time we have a manager who can switch and has at least two quality players to fit into each position. This season will be very interesting. There have been times I've looked at our bench and thought god help us - I now look and see an array of players who would fit into any premiership squad. Love it. Nearly forgot to add - and take a look at the academy and see just what is chomping at the bit to step up. Again love it. jls217
  • Score: 8

10:03am Wed 3 Sep 14

Clever Dick says...

I think Shane Long is the signing most fans are underwhelmed with. He will most likely be a bit part player when Jay comes back. So until that time arrives it is up to him to take his chance starting with Newcastle. Pardew has already said that he isn't worth £12mil so get to it Shane. We all want to love you as well.
I think Shane Long is the signing most fans are underwhelmed with. He will most likely be a bit part player when Jay comes back. So until that time arrives it is up to him to take his chance starting with Newcastle. Pardew has already said that he isn't worth £12mil so get to it Shane. We all want to love you as well. Clever Dick
  • Score: 17

10:08am Wed 3 Sep 14

Saint Clements says...

Poole Tom wrote:
Bearing in mind that at present most of us on here have yet to see several of our new players kick a ball in anger I don`t see how we can possibly start picking a team for the next match. It might be fun but that`s as far as it goes. The best eleven on paper may not prove to be the best eleven on grass. For example two right sided centre halves might not work. Injuries, suspensions and current form will also no doubt play a part. So I suggest that we just chill and leave the decisions to our management team who so far certainly seem to know exactly what they are doing.
Where's the fun in that?

Surely the reason for loving football is it gives guys and gals the chance to share their views and opinions.
[quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: Bearing in mind that at present most of us on here have yet to see several of our new players kick a ball in anger I don`t see how we can possibly start picking a team for the next match. It might be fun but that`s as far as it goes. The best eleven on paper may not prove to be the best eleven on grass. For example two right sided centre halves might not work. Injuries, suspensions and current form will also no doubt play a part. So I suggest that we just chill and leave the decisions to our management team who so far certainly seem to know exactly what they are doing.[/p][/quote]Where's the fun in that? Surely the reason for loving football is it gives guys and gals the chance to share their views and opinions. Saint Clements
  • Score: 9

10:12am Wed 3 Sep 14

jls217 says...

Saintsimon9 wrote:
JimmyLondon wrote:
My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.
So no place for Long in any of your teams or even on your bench?!
There're a lot of people on here knocking Long - he's in danger of becoming the new Guly or Fox.

Not sure why they would feel the need to do that. Long is no Suarez it is true.
I remember a star Saints player (and I can't remember which one it was) being interviewed on the telly and being asked who was the most difficult opponent he had ever faced. He said Paul Dickov without even thinking about it. On being asked why, this player said, He's just horrible, he's everywhere at once, non-stop niggling, snapping, pouncing, running and a bag of tricks. He finished by saying I just hate matchdays when I know he's in their lineup.
Long fits that bill too, perhaps more skillful than Dickov and less lethal in front of goal but I used to watch Dickov and understood exactly what our man was saying - non-stop movement, fearless, like watching a Jack Russell at work. Long will, I'm sure prove his worth. Unless he is destroyed first by the very fans who should be supporting him.
I can see him and JRod linking behind and on the flanks of Pelle.
Don't forget this Mane fella is as at home playing nr 9 as he is down the flanks.
Magpies for dinner soon!
[quote][p][bold]Saintsimon9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.[/p][/quote]So no place for Long in any of your teams or even on your bench?![/p][/quote]There're a lot of people on here knocking Long - he's in danger of becoming the new Guly or Fox. Not sure why they would feel the need to do that. Long is no Suarez it is true. I remember a star Saints player (and I can't remember which one it was) being interviewed on the telly and being asked who was the most difficult opponent he had ever faced. He said Paul Dickov without even thinking about it. On being asked why, this player said, He's just horrible, he's everywhere at once, non-stop niggling, snapping, pouncing, running and a bag of tricks. He finished by saying I just hate matchdays when I know he's in their lineup. Long fits that bill too, perhaps more skillful than Dickov and less lethal in front of goal but I used to watch Dickov and understood exactly what our man was saying - non-stop movement, fearless, like watching a Jack Russell at work. Long will, I'm sure prove his worth. Unless he is destroyed first by the very fans who should be supporting him. I can see him and JRod linking behind and on the flanks of Pelle. Don't forget this Mane fella is as at home playing nr 9 as he is down the flanks. Magpies for dinner soon! jls217
  • Score: 35

10:22am Wed 3 Sep 14

FortWorth_Saint says...

JimmyLondon wrote:
My team for the season basewd on a standard 442.

Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane
Rodriguez Pelle

i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back.

or 433
Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Ward prose Spider Wanyama
Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez

or 4231
Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Wanyama Cork
Tadic Spider Mane
Pelle

or how about 352

Forster
Fonte Alderweiled Gardos
Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand
pelle mane or Rodriguez

this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida

we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations.

Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included!

The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also

looking forward to the season ahead.
have you read my post?

Formations don't mean a thing.

Players move around all the time. They have a plan but they adapt probably with signals from the bench.
[quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.[/p][/quote]have you read my post? Formations don't mean a thing. Players move around all the time. They have a plan but they adapt probably with signals from the bench. FortWorth_Saint
  • Score: -4

10:27am Wed 3 Sep 14

Alicesdad says...

Poole Tom wrote:
Bearing in mind that at present most of us on here have yet to see several of our new players kick a ball in anger I don`t see how we can possibly start picking a team for the next match. It might be fun but that`s as far as it goes. The best eleven on paper may not prove to be the best eleven on grass. For example two right sided centre halves might not work. Injuries, suspensions and current form will also no doubt play a part. So I suggest that we just chill and leave the decisions to our management team who so far certainly seem to know exactly what they are doing.
For heavens sake man !! If you are going to introduce common sense, reasoned argument and "what if" analysis into the mix then there is no place for you on these threads.

Please rethink your comments, add some indignant rage and ranting, perhaps a smidgeon of prejudice and top up with a measure of blatant ignorance and abuse. Only then will you feel the warm embrace of the keyboard bashing community.
[quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: Bearing in mind that at present most of us on here have yet to see several of our new players kick a ball in anger I don`t see how we can possibly start picking a team for the next match. It might be fun but that`s as far as it goes. The best eleven on paper may not prove to be the best eleven on grass. For example two right sided centre halves might not work. Injuries, suspensions and current form will also no doubt play a part. So I suggest that we just chill and leave the decisions to our management team who so far certainly seem to know exactly what they are doing.[/p][/quote]For heavens sake man !! If you are going to introduce common sense, reasoned argument and "what if" analysis into the mix then there is no place for you on these threads. Please rethink your comments, add some indignant rage and ranting, perhaps a smidgeon of prejudice and top up with a measure of blatant ignorance and abuse. Only then will you feel the warm embrace of the keyboard bashing community. Alicesdad
  • Score: 26

10:46am Wed 3 Sep 14

exiledinyork says...

Last season not a deep enough squad and/or Pochettino had favourites and froze others out. This year we have a more rounded squad with adequate cover in all positions. This is not my prediction, just an example of how we need not panic if one or two are injured or suspended:

Team A:
Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweireld Bertrand Tadic Scheiderlin Wanyama Rodriguez Mane

Team B: Boruc Cork Gardos Yoshida Targett Ward-Prowse Davis Reed Isgrove Long Pelle
Last season not a deep enough squad and/or Pochettino had favourites and froze others out. This year we have a more rounded squad with adequate cover in all positions. This is not my prediction, just an example of how we need not panic if one or two are injured or suspended: Team A: Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweireld Bertrand Tadic Scheiderlin Wanyama Rodriguez Mane Team B: Boruc Cork Gardos Yoshida Targett Ward-Prowse Davis Reed Isgrove Long Pelle exiledinyork
  • Score: 4

10:51am Wed 3 Sep 14

Saint Clements says...

exiledinyork wrote:
Last season not a deep enough squad and/or Pochettino had favourites and froze others out. This year we have a more rounded squad with adequate cover in all positions. This is not my prediction, just an example of how we need not panic if one or two are injured or suspended:

Team A:
Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweireld Bertrand Tadic Scheiderlin Wanyama Rodriguez Mane

Team B: Boruc Cork Gardos Yoshida Targett Ward-Prowse Davis Reed Isgrove Long Pelle
While some may disagree with who goes into Team A or Team B, your point is excellent and shows how well RoKo has assessed the squad during his short time here.
[quote][p][bold]exiledinyork[/bold] wrote: Last season not a deep enough squad and/or Pochettino had favourites and froze others out. This year we have a more rounded squad with adequate cover in all positions. This is not my prediction, just an example of how we need not panic if one or two are injured or suspended: Team A: Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweireld Bertrand Tadic Scheiderlin Wanyama Rodriguez Mane Team B: Boruc Cork Gardos Yoshida Targett Ward-Prowse Davis Reed Isgrove Long Pelle[/p][/quote]While some may disagree with who goes into Team A or Team B, your point is excellent and shows how well RoKo has assessed the squad during his short time here. Saint Clements
  • Score: 4

10:55am Wed 3 Sep 14

damoose says...

warrens 76 says...

Cannot help but be turned off by internationals following what happened in the summer, LFC taking three players and Gerrards known dislike of Les Reed may be circumstantial yet…

As for England's dire football enough said.
-------
No way those England players were sat up talking tactics in Brazil,its blatantly obvious they only talk about money,and then serve the Nation puke after a night of gambling on FIFA and comparing wage-slips.England are just not professional or focused enough to win major tournaments..and personally after last season Roy Hodgson should not be so welcomed back to St.Marys,he sat behind K and K all season smiling with them and getting all the inside info he needed, he was the main player behind the exodus not Gerrard
warrens 76 says... Cannot help but be turned off by internationals following what happened in the summer, LFC taking three players and Gerrards known dislike of Les Reed may be circumstantial yet… As for England's dire football enough said. ------- No way those England players were sat up talking tactics in Brazil,its blatantly obvious they only talk about money,and then serve the Nation puke after a night of gambling on FIFA and comparing wage-slips.England are just not professional or focused enough to win major tournaments..and personally after last season Roy Hodgson should not be so welcomed back to St.Marys,he sat behind K and K all season smiling with them and getting all the inside info he needed, he was the main player behind the exodus not Gerrard damoose
  • Score: 15

11:02am Wed 3 Sep 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Saint Clements wrote:
exiledinyork wrote:
Last season not a deep enough squad and/or Pochettino had favourites and froze others out. This year we have a more rounded squad with adequate cover in all positions. This is not my prediction, just an example of how we need not panic if one or two are injured or suspended:

Team A:
Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweireld Bertrand Tadic Scheiderlin Wanyama Rodriguez Mane

Team B: Boruc Cork Gardos Yoshida Targett Ward-Prowse Davis Reed Isgrove Long Pelle
While some may disagree with who goes into Team A or Team B, your point is excellent and shows how well RoKo has assessed the squad during his short time here.
Ron is definitely "the man". Just imagine if we'd ended up with Felix Magath,or even Van Gaal..aargh! The Flying Dutchman will bring us joy.
[quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]exiledinyork[/bold] wrote: Last season not a deep enough squad and/or Pochettino had favourites and froze others out. This year we have a more rounded squad with adequate cover in all positions. This is not my prediction, just an example of how we need not panic if one or two are injured or suspended: Team A: Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweireld Bertrand Tadic Scheiderlin Wanyama Rodriguez Mane Team B: Boruc Cork Gardos Yoshida Targett Ward-Prowse Davis Reed Isgrove Long Pelle[/p][/quote]While some may disagree with who goes into Team A or Team B, your point is excellent and shows how well RoKo has assessed the squad during his short time here.[/p][/quote]Ron is definitely "the man". Just imagine if we'd ended up with Felix Magath,or even Van Gaal..aargh! The Flying Dutchman will bring us joy. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 13

11:03am Wed 3 Sep 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

I think we now have a great squad of players that Ronnie can pick and choose from.
plenty of options and cover in defence, a whole range of different midfield options and different types of attacking players.

spider is the keystone that we can build around, Big Vic wasn't needed against hoof because they don't play through the middle. so Ronnie decided to add an extra forward. this is where long is going to be a good player for us this season. we couldn't break down teams like hoof last year, their defence sits back so we couldn't use the pace of J-Rod or the guile of liarlanna. this season we have the option of playing long and pelle (srl last year) who play on the defence and occupy the CB`s allowing for players like spider, Tadic and JWP to get into space between the CB`s.
long is a battling pain in the ar$e to defenders and he and pelle will not only get goals for us but their playing style will enable our midfield the chance to get more goals.
when we play teams like liverhampton, who like to play the ball and attack, Ronnie will be able to alter the team to put pace up front and bring Big Vic back into the middle to break their play up, which is what he did so well at liverhampton.
last year we had one style of play, and whilst we all liked it (I actually thought it was refreshing to see saints force other teams to change their system to play us for a change), it certainly wasn't effective against teams that `park the bus` and hope to nick a point. that was the most annoying thing about last season.
Ronnie will have plans in his head for different teams and who will be best suited to play against them and I think its going to be a very interesting season.
I think we now have a great squad of players that Ronnie can pick and choose from. plenty of options and cover in defence, a whole range of different midfield options and different types of attacking players. spider is the keystone that we can build around, Big Vic wasn't needed against hoof because they don't play through the middle. so Ronnie decided to add an extra forward. this is where long is going to be a good player for us this season. we couldn't break down teams like hoof last year, their defence sits back so we couldn't use the pace of J-Rod or the guile of liarlanna. this season we have the option of playing long and pelle (srl last year) who play on the defence and occupy the CB`s allowing for players like spider, Tadic and JWP to get into space between the CB`s. long is a battling pain in the ar$e to defenders and he and pelle will not only get goals for us but their playing style will enable our midfield the chance to get more goals. when we play teams like liverhampton, who like to play the ball and attack, Ronnie will be able to alter the team to put pace up front and bring Big Vic back into the middle to break their play up, which is what he did so well at liverhampton. last year we had one style of play, and whilst we all liked it (I actually thought it was refreshing to see saints force other teams to change their system to play us for a change), it certainly wasn't effective against teams that `park the bus` and hope to nick a point. that was the most annoying thing about last season. Ronnie will have plans in his head for different teams and who will be best suited to play against them and I think its going to be a very interesting season. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 10

11:05am Wed 3 Sep 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

FortWorth_Saint wrote:
I have a Football League Review dated Sept 10 1966. There is an article in there on the Saints.

Ted Bates made a statement: "And we need to educate people away from the old idea of a goalkeeper, two full backs, three half backs and five forwards. This is in the past."

Ted had a vision. That year the Saints took the first step by changing their programme style of team presentation. Instead of publishing in the traditional 1-2-3-5 order the programme listed the players in a straight line down the page numbering from one to 11, plus the substitute.

What Ted was saying is that players should be multi-positional. We are seeing that today. I don't think we have a formation with only one player up front unless the manager is inept. Everyone is supposed to attack.

I see the Saints having two primary wingers (Mane and Long) who will switch sides frequently and feed Pelle.

We then have the defensive part of the team who also attacking.

The goalkeeper is the only one who is fixed except for, perhaps, the last few minutes when desperation mode sets in.

Discussion?
Good man, Ted Bates and a visionary. I wonder what he might have achieved if he had had the current Saints squad at his disposal.

Personally, I'd scrap 4-4-2, 3-5-2 and 4-3-3 and try going with 8-4-6-2. That way we'll be a nightmare to play against and all the players (well, most) would be in the starting line up every week.

But seriously, you're right. I think I'd add the centre backs (2 or 3) to the goalie as having a mainly set role, but the midfield, wings and frontline will, to an extent, be more flexible under Ron.

It's going to seriously challenge the MotD pundits whose football tactical knowledge is stuck in the middle of the 20th century.
[quote][p][bold]FortWorth_Saint[/bold] wrote: I have a Football League Review dated Sept 10 1966. There is an article in there on the Saints. Ted Bates made a statement: "And we need to educate people away from the old idea of a goalkeeper, two full backs, three half backs and five forwards. This is in the past." Ted had a vision. That year the Saints took the first step by changing their programme style of team presentation. Instead of publishing in the traditional 1-2-3-5 order the programme listed the players in a straight line down the page numbering from one to 11, plus the substitute. What Ted was saying is that players should be multi-positional. We are seeing that today. I don't think we have a formation with only one player up front unless the manager is inept. Everyone is supposed to attack. I see the Saints having two primary wingers (Mane and Long) who will switch sides frequently and feed Pelle. We then have the defensive part of the team who also attacking. The goalkeeper is the only one who is fixed except for, perhaps, the last few minutes when desperation mode sets in. Discussion?[/p][/quote]Good man, Ted Bates and a visionary. I wonder what he might have achieved if he had had the current Saints squad at his disposal. Personally, I'd scrap 4-4-2, 3-5-2 and 4-3-3 and try going with 8-4-6-2. That way we'll be a nightmare to play against and all the players (well, most) would be in the starting line up every week. But seriously, you're right. I think I'd add the centre backs (2 or 3) to the goalie as having a mainly set role, but the midfield, wings and frontline will, to an extent, be more flexible under Ron. It's going to seriously challenge the MotD pundits whose football tactical knowledge is stuck in the middle of the 20th century. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 5

11:06am Wed 3 Sep 14

Positively4thStreet says...

damoose wrote:
warrens 76 says...

Cannot help but be turned off by internationals following what happened in the summer, LFC taking three players and Gerrards known dislike of Les Reed may be circumstantial yet…

As for England's dire football enough said.
-------
No way those England players were sat up talking tactics in Brazil,its blatantly obvious they only talk about money,and then serve the Nation puke after a night of gambling on FIFA and comparing wage-slips.England are just not professional or focused enough to win major tournaments..and personally after last season Roy Hodgson should not be so welcomed back to St.Marys,he sat behind K and K all season smiling with them and getting all the inside info he needed, he was the main player behind the exodus not Gerrard
Or Cortese.
[quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: warrens 76 says... Cannot help but be turned off by internationals following what happened in the summer, LFC taking three players and Gerrards known dislike of Les Reed may be circumstantial yet… As for England's dire football enough said. ------- No way those England players were sat up talking tactics in Brazil,its blatantly obvious they only talk about money,and then serve the Nation puke after a night of gambling on FIFA and comparing wage-slips.England are just not professional or focused enough to win major tournaments..and personally after last season Roy Hodgson should not be so welcomed back to St.Marys,he sat behind K and K all season smiling with them and getting all the inside info he needed, he was the main player behind the exodus not Gerrard[/p][/quote]Or Cortese. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 5

11:27am Wed 3 Sep 14

JimmyLondon says...

FortWorth_Saint wrote:
JimmyLondon wrote: My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.
have you read my post? Formations don't mean a thing. Players move around all the time. They have a plan but they adapt probably with signals from the bench.
Alright alright, its a message board, we are all entitled to our own opinion. Just because you have dug up an old Ted Bates article on players being flexible does not mean that i cannot post my preferred team selections and i do disagree formations are still important.
[quote][p][bold]FortWorth_Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.[/p][/quote]have you read my post? Formations don't mean a thing. Players move around all the time. They have a plan but they adapt probably with signals from the bench.[/p][/quote]Alright alright, its a message board, we are all entitled to our own opinion. Just because you have dug up an old Ted Bates article on players being flexible does not mean that i cannot post my preferred team selections and i do disagree formations are still important. JimmyLondon
  • Score: 1

11:29am Wed 3 Sep 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
I think we now have a great squad of players that Ronnie can pick and choose from.
plenty of options and cover in defence, a whole range of different midfield options and different types of attacking players.

spider is the keystone that we can build around, Big Vic wasn't needed against hoof because they don't play through the middle. so Ronnie decided to add an extra forward. this is where long is going to be a good player for us this season. we couldn't break down teams like hoof last year, their defence sits back so we couldn't use the pace of J-Rod or the guile of liarlanna. this season we have the option of playing long and pelle (srl last year) who play on the defence and occupy the CB`s allowing for players like spider, Tadic and JWP to get into space between the CB`s.
long is a battling pain in the ar$e to defenders and he and pelle will not only get goals for us but their playing style will enable our midfield the chance to get more goals.
when we play teams like liverhampton, who like to play the ball and attack, Ronnie will be able to alter the team to put pace up front and bring Big Vic back into the middle to break their play up, which is what he did so well at liverhampton.
last year we had one style of play, and whilst we all liked it (I actually thought it was refreshing to see saints force other teams to change their system to play us for a change), it certainly wasn't effective against teams that `park the bus` and hope to nick a point. that was the most annoying thing about last season.
Ronnie will have plans in his head for different teams and who will be best suited to play against them and I think its going to be a very interesting season.
I loved the way we played last season and give some credit for that to MP. I think he did have options and a plan B but, on reflection, he didn't assess the oposition when deciding tactics or which players to play. Someone commented that a former (traitorous) manager - Glen Hoddle - always picked his team and tactics according to the opposition. I think that was true - and it usually worked. I think in Ron we have a similar mind but - and I hope this is right - a man with greater integrety than Hoddle.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: I think we now have a great squad of players that Ronnie can pick and choose from. plenty of options and cover in defence, a whole range of different midfield options and different types of attacking players. spider is the keystone that we can build around, Big Vic wasn't needed against hoof because they don't play through the middle. so Ronnie decided to add an extra forward. this is where long is going to be a good player for us this season. we couldn't break down teams like hoof last year, their defence sits back so we couldn't use the pace of J-Rod or the guile of liarlanna. this season we have the option of playing long and pelle (srl last year) who play on the defence and occupy the CB`s allowing for players like spider, Tadic and JWP to get into space between the CB`s. long is a battling pain in the ar$e to defenders and he and pelle will not only get goals for us but their playing style will enable our midfield the chance to get more goals. when we play teams like liverhampton, who like to play the ball and attack, Ronnie will be able to alter the team to put pace up front and bring Big Vic back into the middle to break their play up, which is what he did so well at liverhampton. last year we had one style of play, and whilst we all liked it (I actually thought it was refreshing to see saints force other teams to change their system to play us for a change), it certainly wasn't effective against teams that `park the bus` and hope to nick a point. that was the most annoying thing about last season. Ronnie will have plans in his head for different teams and who will be best suited to play against them and I think its going to be a very interesting season.[/p][/quote]I loved the way we played last season and give some credit for that to MP. I think he did have options and a plan B but, on reflection, he didn't assess the oposition when deciding tactics or which players to play. Someone commented that a former (traitorous) manager - Glen Hoddle - always picked his team and tactics according to the opposition. I think that was true - and it usually worked. I think in Ron we have a similar mind but - and I hope this is right - a man with greater integrety than Hoddle. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 4

11:54am Wed 3 Sep 14

redsnapper says...

Fonte has to up his game-simple.....if Toby passes better (probably) is less predictable (probably)...and doesn't lose concentration in the last quarter then it's a no brainer. Fonte will have to fight for his place.

This is a great problem for us to have and unlike the Argie RK has the experience and vision to vary the game plan.
Fonte has to up his game-simple.....if Toby passes better (probably) is less predictable (probably)...and doesn't lose concentration in the last quarter then it's a no brainer. Fonte will have to fight for his place. This is a great problem for us to have and unlike the Argie RK has the experience and vision to vary the game plan. redsnapper
  • Score: 1

12:00pm Wed 3 Sep 14

right back in the bar says...

First of all give Long a chance - he has the potential to work out and we need players like him if we are to maintain a strong league position and contest the cup competitions. Secondly, 3 at the back with wing backs is a long shot and not proven in the premier league - just look at how United are struggling with that system. My own humble view is that we retain 4 at the back and if Toby proves to be a true footballing type of defender, comfortable bringing the ball out from the back, then I believe that will gives us more opportunity to fill the midfield positions with the creative players we now have. In which case Victor might sit out more games but will remain important tactically to shore things up and would still be a shoe-in for the likes of away to City, Chelsea etc' This is the beauty of what we have now - a proper squad and a manager who wants to win trophies.
First of all give Long a chance - he has the potential to work out and we need players like him if we are to maintain a strong league position and contest the cup competitions. Secondly, 3 at the back with wing backs is a long shot and not proven in the premier league - just look at how United are struggling with that system. My own humble view is that we retain 4 at the back and if Toby proves to be a true footballing type of defender, comfortable bringing the ball out from the back, then I believe that will gives us more opportunity to fill the midfield positions with the creative players we now have. In which case Victor might sit out more games but will remain important tactically to shore things up and would still be a shoe-in for the likes of away to City, Chelsea etc' This is the beauty of what we have now - a proper squad and a manager who wants to win trophies. right back in the bar
  • Score: 9

12:06pm Wed 3 Sep 14

right back in the bar says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
I think we now have a great squad of players that Ronnie can pick and choose from.
plenty of options and cover in defence, a whole range of different midfield options and different types of attacking players.

spider is the keystone that we can build around, Big Vic wasn't needed against hoof because they don't play through the middle. so Ronnie decided to add an extra forward. this is where long is going to be a good player for us this season. we couldn't break down teams like hoof last year, their defence sits back so we couldn't use the pace of J-Rod or the guile of liarlanna. this season we have the option of playing long and pelle (srl last year) who play on the defence and occupy the CB`s allowing for players like spider, Tadic and JWP to get into space between the CB`s.
long is a battling pain in the ar$e to defenders and he and pelle will not only get goals for us but their playing style will enable our midfield the chance to get more goals.
when we play teams like liverhampton, who like to play the ball and attack, Ronnie will be able to alter the team to put pace up front and bring Big Vic back into the middle to break their play up, which is what he did so well at liverhampton.
last year we had one style of play, and whilst we all liked it (I actually thought it was refreshing to see saints force other teams to change their system to play us for a change), it certainly wasn't effective against teams that `park the bus` and hope to nick a point. that was the most annoying thing about last season.
Ronnie will have plans in his head for different teams and who will be best suited to play against them and I think its going to be a very interesting season.
Spot on - great post. I think TA could be a key player - if he is as comfortable on the ball as it is alleged, as well as solid defender then we can look for more expansive players in midfield.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: I think we now have a great squad of players that Ronnie can pick and choose from. plenty of options and cover in defence, a whole range of different midfield options and different types of attacking players. spider is the keystone that we can build around, Big Vic wasn't needed against hoof because they don't play through the middle. so Ronnie decided to add an extra forward. this is where long is going to be a good player for us this season. we couldn't break down teams like hoof last year, their defence sits back so we couldn't use the pace of J-Rod or the guile of liarlanna. this season we have the option of playing long and pelle (srl last year) who play on the defence and occupy the CB`s allowing for players like spider, Tadic and JWP to get into space between the CB`s. long is a battling pain in the ar$e to defenders and he and pelle will not only get goals for us but their playing style will enable our midfield the chance to get more goals. when we play teams like liverhampton, who like to play the ball and attack, Ronnie will be able to alter the team to put pace up front and bring Big Vic back into the middle to break their play up, which is what he did so well at liverhampton. last year we had one style of play, and whilst we all liked it (I actually thought it was refreshing to see saints force other teams to change their system to play us for a change), it certainly wasn't effective against teams that `park the bus` and hope to nick a point. that was the most annoying thing about last season. Ronnie will have plans in his head for different teams and who will be best suited to play against them and I think its going to be a very interesting season.[/p][/quote]Spot on - great post. I think TA could be a key player - if he is as comfortable on the ball as it is alleged, as well as solid defender then we can look for more expansive players in midfield. right back in the bar
  • Score: 5

12:11pm Wed 3 Sep 14

buckie says...

I've read most of the comments about different system players and it does seem we have a lot of options now just hope we can keep a settled and motivated squad just one observation and not a criticism hope we can play JWP in a lot the games COYS
I've read most of the comments about different system players and it does seem we have a lot of options now just hope we can keep a settled and motivated squad just one observation and not a criticism hope we can play JWP in a lot the games COYS buckie
  • Score: 7

12:21pm Wed 3 Sep 14

TGodSFC says...

You can see why Gaston left for a team like Hull now can't you.
You can see why Gaston left for a team like Hull now can't you. TGodSFC
  • Score: -2

12:22pm Wed 3 Sep 14

bbb001 says...

Surely we should start with the same team that did so well against whu when we play NUFC and intergrate the new players as and when its appropriate depending on the opposition. To many changes against Newcastle could have a detrimental effect. I suppose what I am saying is let the team evolve over a period of time, the cream will always rise to the top and I have complete faith in Ronk
We March On
Surely we should start with the same team that did so well against whu when we play NUFC and intergrate the new players as and when its appropriate depending on the opposition. To many changes against Newcastle could have a detrimental effect. I suppose what I am saying is let the team evolve over a period of time, the cream will always rise to the top and I have complete faith in Ronk We March On bbb001
  • Score: 3

12:22pm Wed 3 Sep 14

SaintBobbert says...

Last season the team & formation pretty much picked itself - this season is so different !
As stated above, I can see us playing mainly a back 3 (Toby-Fonte-Gardos) with Clyne & Bertrand wide & Vic screening.
With the new squad depth it now gives us that option of pretty much any formation or tactic.
We certainly now have that Plan B along with C + D etc we were lacking last season.
Nice one RK & the whole board !
Last season the team & formation pretty much picked itself - this season is so different ! As stated above, I can see us playing mainly a back 3 (Toby-Fonte-Gardos) with Clyne & Bertrand wide & Vic screening. With the new squad depth it now gives us that option of pretty much any formation or tactic. We certainly now have that Plan B along with C + D etc we were lacking last season. Nice one RK & the whole board ! SaintBobbert
  • Score: 3

12:54pm Wed 3 Sep 14

SaintPC says...

Clever Dick wrote:
I think Shane Long is the signing most fans are underwhelmed with. He will most likely be a bit part player when Jay comes back. So until that time arrives it is up to him to take his chance starting with Newcastle. Pardew has already said that he isn't worth £12mil so get to it Shane. We all want to love you as well.
I see the bigger picture with Shane Long. He is effectively the replacement for Jay-Rod. He will not feature much when Jay gets back fit, but the expectation is that Jay will leave next summer, he has already been offered a new 5 year contract which he has turned down, if he doesnt sign up then we will need to sell him next summer rather than let him leave on a free.

By getting Shane Long in now, we have prepared for the future by having his replacement already in the squad and adapted to the team and style. That isnt to say that we wouldnt buy another striker with the money, just the like for like replacement is in place.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: I think Shane Long is the signing most fans are underwhelmed with. He will most likely be a bit part player when Jay comes back. So until that time arrives it is up to him to take his chance starting with Newcastle. Pardew has already said that he isn't worth £12mil so get to it Shane. We all want to love you as well.[/p][/quote]I see the bigger picture with Shane Long. He is effectively the replacement for Jay-Rod. He will not feature much when Jay gets back fit, but the expectation is that Jay will leave next summer, he has already been offered a new 5 year contract which he has turned down, if he doesnt sign up then we will need to sell him next summer rather than let him leave on a free. By getting Shane Long in now, we have prepared for the future by having his replacement already in the squad and adapted to the team and style. That isnt to say that we wouldnt buy another striker with the money, just the like for like replacement is in place. SaintPC
  • Score: 4

12:59pm Wed 3 Sep 14

milton road says...

Toby played very little competitive football last season, so needs to get match fit, would not be surprised to see his first game and Florin's being agianst Arsenal in the cup. Yoshda is as effective as Lovren just lacks the finesse. Fonte is definitely a leader and an influence on the pitch. We do not currently have anyone else with his strength to lead the team.
At the moment there is no need to rush changing anything to do with the back four, we have time to let people settle and then see who suits our needs. It may vary game to game, different players suit some teams better than others.
The truth is if we do not reach Europe this season Morgan and Jay will go, if they have good seasons.
Anyway Yoshida and Fonte have done well a the back, no good changing for the sake of changing, unless the other players is definitely better. A nice problem to have.
Toby played very little competitive football last season, so needs to get match fit, would not be surprised to see his first game and Florin's being agianst Arsenal in the cup. Yoshda is as effective as Lovren just lacks the finesse. Fonte is definitely a leader and an influence on the pitch. We do not currently have anyone else with his strength to lead the team. At the moment there is no need to rush changing anything to do with the back four, we have time to let people settle and then see who suits our needs. It may vary game to game, different players suit some teams better than others. The truth is if we do not reach Europe this season Morgan and Jay will go, if they have good seasons. Anyway Yoshida and Fonte have done well a the back, no good changing for the sake of changing, unless the other players is definitely better. A nice problem to have. milton road
  • Score: 2

1:06pm Wed 3 Sep 14

oldsaintsfan says...

Maybe we will play with 3 CB's particularly now that we have no english central defenders - given that it seems (based on MU's experience) that english players only understand traditional 4 at the back defending lol......
Maybe we will play with 3 CB's particularly now that we have no english central defenders - given that it seems (based on MU's experience) that english players only understand traditional 4 at the back defending lol...... oldsaintsfan
  • Score: -6

1:17pm Wed 3 Sep 14

randre says...

This has indeed been a very good summer (in the end)!

With players who evidently thought they were too good for the club leaving it all seemed quite bleak, especially with the continued battering from the media. However, many of us reasoned that the board would do what was best for the club. For me, when they appointed Koeman I knew we were not going into melt down, even as player after player left the club, I think many of us knew that Koeman (a footballing legend and highly experienced top manager) would not have came to us without a plan in place.

Now with the hard work of everyone at the club and vision from Koeman to shape a team who can fit into his philsophy I honestly believe we have a better team than last year. It is early days, however I have been impressed with the last two matches Pelle has played in and looks to be settling, Dusan already looks a more rounded player than Lallana (in my opinion).

As for Koeman, he is an honest and clever manager. He seems very tactically aware and from what I have seen (WBA apart) we look like a team who will play an exciting brand of football.

Just to top it off, I have already heard some Spurs fans and pundits say that "Pocchettino is doing a great job, but doesnt seem to have an alternative plan, and the tactics were easily thwarted by Liverpool".... Boom, didn't they see some of our matches last year?

Happy to be a Saint... Always
This has indeed been a very good summer (in the end)! With players who evidently thought they were too good for the club leaving it all seemed quite bleak, especially with the continued battering from the media. However, many of us reasoned that the board would do what was best for the club. For me, when they appointed Koeman I knew we were not going into melt down, even as player after player left the club, I think many of us knew that Koeman (a footballing legend and highly experienced top manager) would not have came to us without a plan in place. Now with the hard work of everyone at the club and vision from Koeman to shape a team who can fit into his philsophy I honestly believe we have a better team than last year. It is early days, however I have been impressed with the last two matches Pelle has played in and looks to be settling, Dusan already looks a more rounded player than Lallana (in my opinion). As for Koeman, he is an honest and clever manager. He seems very tactically aware and from what I have seen (WBA apart) we look like a team who will play an exciting brand of football. Just to top it off, I have already heard some Spurs fans and pundits say that "Pocchettino is doing a great job, but doesnt seem to have an alternative plan, and the tactics were easily thwarted by Liverpool".... Boom, didn't they see some of our matches last year? Happy to be a Saint... Always randre
  • Score: 11

1:34pm Wed 3 Sep 14

garyom71 says...

I want to be wrong, so very wrong but I fear that the squad has been assembled partly to give room to sell Spider and perhaps J Rod in January. The board have done a fantastic job and stuck to their promise by not selling any more of our big guns in the transfer window. Our squad is also healthy and more balanced. I just have a gut feeling that Spider was made a promise - stick it out at St Mary's for a few months and if you want it, you can have your move in January.
I want to be wrong, so very wrong but I fear that the squad has been assembled partly to give room to sell Spider and perhaps J Rod in January. The board have done a fantastic job and stuck to their promise by not selling any more of our big guns in the transfer window. Our squad is also healthy and more balanced. I just have a gut feeling that Spider was made a promise - stick it out at St Mary's for a few months and if you want it, you can have your move in January. garyom71
  • Score: -4

1:44pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Alicesdad says...

garyom71 wrote:
I want to be wrong, so very wrong but I fear that the squad has been assembled partly to give room to sell Spider and perhaps J Rod in January. The board have done a fantastic job and stuck to their promise by not selling any more of our big guns in the transfer window. Our squad is also healthy and more balanced. I just have a gut feeling that Spider was made a promise - stick it out at St Mary's for a few months and if you want it, you can have your move in January.
I want you to be wrong, so very wrong too, but I think January is possible but will depend on our league position. What I am certain of, so very certain, is that at some time before his contract is up we will cash in and he can join a "bigger" club for a vast fee.. then Spider will be looking for his place in the French team for the Euro Championships and Reed will be looking at swelling the Saimts coffers.

In the meantime just let him"honour his contract" and "do his best".
[quote][p][bold]garyom71[/bold] wrote: I want to be wrong, so very wrong but I fear that the squad has been assembled partly to give room to sell Spider and perhaps J Rod in January. The board have done a fantastic job and stuck to their promise by not selling any more of our big guns in the transfer window. Our squad is also healthy and more balanced. I just have a gut feeling that Spider was made a promise - stick it out at St Mary's for a few months and if you want it, you can have your move in January.[/p][/quote]I want you to be wrong, so very wrong too, but I think January is possible but will depend on our league position. What I am certain of, so very certain, is that at some time before his contract is up we will cash in and he can join a "bigger" club for a vast fee.. then Spider will be looking for his place in the French team for the Euro Championships and Reed will be looking at swelling the Saimts coffers. In the meantime just let him"honour his contract" and "do his best". Alicesdad
  • Score: 6

1:48pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Alicesdad says...

SaintPC wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
I think Shane Long is the signing most fans are underwhelmed with. He will most likely be a bit part player when Jay comes back. So until that time arrives it is up to him to take his chance starting with Newcastle. Pardew has already said that he isn't worth £12mil so get to it Shane. We all want to love you as well.
I see the bigger picture with Shane Long. He is effectively the replacement for Jay-Rod. He will not feature much when Jay gets back fit, but the expectation is that Jay will leave next summer, he has already been offered a new 5 year contract which he has turned down, if he doesnt sign up then we will need to sell him next summer rather than let him leave on a free.

By getting Shane Long in now, we have prepared for the future by having his replacement already in the squad and adapted to the team and style. That isnt to say that we wouldnt buy another striker with the money, just the like for like replacement is in place.
Doesn't really deserve a thumbs down as it's a viable option although will always be speculation until something actually happens.

Right now I can't see him getting picked that often, but then again I used to think tht Osvaldo was a good signing ... it's strange how things can work out.
[quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: I think Shane Long is the signing most fans are underwhelmed with. He will most likely be a bit part player when Jay comes back. So until that time arrives it is up to him to take his chance starting with Newcastle. Pardew has already said that he isn't worth £12mil so get to it Shane. We all want to love you as well.[/p][/quote]I see the bigger picture with Shane Long. He is effectively the replacement for Jay-Rod. He will not feature much when Jay gets back fit, but the expectation is that Jay will leave next summer, he has already been offered a new 5 year contract which he has turned down, if he doesnt sign up then we will need to sell him next summer rather than let him leave on a free. By getting Shane Long in now, we have prepared for the future by having his replacement already in the squad and adapted to the team and style. That isnt to say that we wouldnt buy another striker with the money, just the like for like replacement is in place.[/p][/quote]Doesn't really deserve a thumbs down as it's a viable option although will always be speculation until something actually happens. Right now I can't see him getting picked that often, but then again I used to think tht Osvaldo was a good signing ... it's strange how things can work out. Alicesdad
  • Score: 4

1:51pm Wed 3 Sep 14

St Van Roetford says...

Injuries and suspensions will come and they'll all get their chance. It would be a problem if we didn't have selection problems.
Injuries and suspensions will come and they'll all get their chance. It would be a problem if we didn't have selection problems. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 5

1:58pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Stafford Saint says...

I heard an interesting interview with a lower league manager on the radio the other day, although I've forgotten who. In it he suggested the, at first odd, suggestion that having players that might look to move on from your club in your squad is a good thing. He lauded their ambition and commitment to improving themself. He liked a player that would fight all year to be his best and either help the team to promotion or earn a move for himself. Personal ambition and application are not divorced from the team. The player that does move has usually given you a good season in earning that. It is a manager's job to utilise these players.
I heard an interesting interview with a lower league manager on the radio the other day, although I've forgotten who. In it he suggested the, at first odd, suggestion that having players that might look to move on from your club in your squad is a good thing. He lauded their ambition and commitment to improving themself. He liked a player that would fight all year to be his best and either help the team to promotion or earn a move for himself. Personal ambition and application are not divorced from the team. The player that does move has usually given you a good season in earning that. It is a manager's job to utilise these players. Stafford Saint
  • Score: 9

2:22pm Wed 3 Sep 14

lowe esteem says...

JimmyLondon wrote:
My team for the season basewd on a standard 442.

Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane
Rodriguez Pelle

i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back.

or 433
Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Ward prose Spider Wanyama
Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez

or 4231
Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Wanyama Cork
Tadic Spider Mane
Pelle

or how about 352

Forster
Fonte Alderweiled Gardos
Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand
pelle mane or Rodriguez

this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida

we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations.

Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included!

The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also

looking forward to the season ahead.
Let's play "You're The Manager"
I reckon it's you "Dream Teamers" that have contributed to these fatuous transfer windows and unrealistic short term managerial spells.
Hopefully, our Manager -that's Mr Koeman, will 'keep it real' and there will continue to be circumstances that require change, and we will trust him to make them. Otherwise, a case of you stating the bleedin obvious.

For example, by the time one of your 'Dream' picks is ready to play, say J-Rod, at least one of your other picks will be injured, suspended, or up the road, but, if it makes you happy, dream on, better than moaning about Do Prado I suppose.
[quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.[/p][/quote]Let's play "You're The Manager" I reckon it's you "Dream Teamers" that have contributed to these fatuous transfer windows and unrealistic short term managerial spells. Hopefully, our Manager -that's Mr Koeman, will 'keep it real' and there will continue to be circumstances that require change, and we will trust him to make them. Otherwise, a case of you stating the bleedin obvious. For example, by the time one of your 'Dream' picks is ready to play, say J-Rod, at least one of your other picks will be injured, suspended, or up the road, but, if it makes you happy, dream on, better than moaning about Do Prado I suppose. lowe esteem
  • Score: -3

2:28pm Wed 3 Sep 14

lowe esteem says...

Stafford Saint wrote:
I heard an interesting interview with a lower league manager on the radio the other day, although I've forgotten who. In it he suggested the, at first odd, suggestion that having players that might look to move on from your club in your squad is a good thing. He lauded their ambition and commitment to improving themself. He liked a player that would fight all year to be his best and either help the team to promotion or earn a move for himself. Personal ambition and application are not divorced from the team. The player that does move has usually given you a good season in earning that. It is a manager's job to utilise these players.
You didn't mention £allana, £ovren, £ambert, Cashambers, $haw or PocketthechangO. (aka Pochkerching!)

As a 'lower league manager' he probably wouldn't have appreciated the $ca£e o£ the prob£em though, eh?
[quote][p][bold]Stafford Saint[/bold] wrote: I heard an interesting interview with a lower league manager on the radio the other day, although I've forgotten who. In it he suggested the, at first odd, suggestion that having players that might look to move on from your club in your squad is a good thing. He lauded their ambition and commitment to improving themself. He liked a player that would fight all year to be his best and either help the team to promotion or earn a move for himself. Personal ambition and application are not divorced from the team. The player that does move has usually given you a good season in earning that. It is a manager's job to utilise these players.[/p][/quote]You didn't mention £allana, £ovren, £ambert, Cashambers, $haw or PocketthechangO. (aka Pochkerching!) As a 'lower league manager' he probably wouldn't have appreciated the $ca£e o£ the prob£em though, eh? lowe esteem
  • Score: 3

2:30pm Wed 3 Sep 14

lowe esteem says...

JimmyLondon wrote:
My team for the season basewd on a standard 442.

Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane
Rodriguez Pelle

i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back.

or 433
Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Ward prose Spider Wanyama
Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez

or 4231
Forster
Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand
Wanyama Cork
Tadic Spider Mane
Pelle

or how about 352

Forster
Fonte Alderweiled Gardos
Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand
pelle mane or Rodriguez

this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida

we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations.

Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included!

The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also

looking forward to the season ahead.
Jump when they say "Jump"
Enjoy the season, and where it might lead us.
[quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.[/p][/quote]Jump when they say "Jump" Enjoy the season, and where it might lead us. lowe esteem
  • Score: -1

2:31pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Slick Saint says...

Okay. So this might not be popular to say but here we go...
Fonte might be captain but he's not good enough.
I hope that both Florin and Toby are in place together as Fonte was made to look good by Lovren. Don't get me wrong, he has improved but still not enough
Okay. So this might not be popular to say but here we go... Fonte might be captain but he's not good enough. I hope that both Florin and Toby are in place together as Fonte was made to look good by Lovren. Don't get me wrong, he has improved but still not enough Slick Saint
  • Score: -4

2:42pm Wed 3 Sep 14

St Van Roetford says...

Slick Saint wrote:
Okay. So this might not be popular to say but here we go...
Fonte might be captain but he's not good enough.
I hope that both Florin and Toby are in place together as Fonte was made to look good by Lovren. Don't get me wrong, he has improved but still not enough
Well, there are no sacred cows and you may be right but let's wait to see them play first. I'd say if both are better than Jose then we've bought exceptionally well.
[quote][p][bold]Slick Saint[/bold] wrote: Okay. So this might not be popular to say but here we go... Fonte might be captain but he's not good enough. I hope that both Florin and Toby are in place together as Fonte was made to look good by Lovren. Don't get me wrong, he has improved but still not enough[/p][/quote]Well, there are no sacred cows and you may be right but let's wait to see them play first. I'd say if both are better than Jose then we've bought exceptionally well. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 7

2:46pm Wed 3 Sep 14

batesieboy says...

damoose wrote:
warrens 76 says...

Cannot help but be turned off by internationals following what happened in the summer, LFC taking three players and Gerrards known dislike of Les Reed may be circumstantial yet…

As for England's dire football enough said.
-------
No way those England players were sat up talking tactics in Brazil,its blatantly obvious they only talk about money,and then serve the Nation puke after a night of gambling on FIFA and comparing wage-slips.England are just not professional or focused enough to win major tournaments..and personally after last season Roy Hodgson should not be so welcomed back to St.Marys,he sat behind K and K all season smiling with them and getting all the inside info he needed, he was the main player behind the exodus not Gerrard
Quite so. And explain to me how Clyne's understudy has three average games for Arsenal and gets in the England set-up. Ridiculous. Team England, Hodgson, and the so-called big clubs really suck hard. They can go to H***.
[quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: warrens 76 says... Cannot help but be turned off by internationals following what happened in the summer, LFC taking three players and Gerrards known dislike of Les Reed may be circumstantial yet… As for England's dire football enough said. ------- No way those England players were sat up talking tactics in Brazil,its blatantly obvious they only talk about money,and then serve the Nation puke after a night of gambling on FIFA and comparing wage-slips.England are just not professional or focused enough to win major tournaments..and personally after last season Roy Hodgson should not be so welcomed back to St.Marys,he sat behind K and K all season smiling with them and getting all the inside info he needed, he was the main player behind the exodus not Gerrard[/p][/quote]Quite so. And explain to me how Clyne's understudy has three average games for Arsenal and gets in the England set-up. Ridiculous. Team England, Hodgson, and the so-called big clubs really suck hard. They can go to H***. batesieboy
  • Score: 11

2:47pm Wed 3 Sep 14

saintbobby says...

bbb001 wrote:
Surely we should start with the same team that did so well against whu when we play NUFC and intergrate the new players as and when its appropriate depending on the opposition. To many changes against Newcastle could have a detrimental effect. I suppose what I am saying is let the team evolve over a period of time, the cream will always rise to the top and I have complete faith in Ronk
We March On
Yes, I get that. However, the new guys will, thanks to international weekend, have some 10 days to get the feel of the team, together with Ron's coaching. So he might bring one or two in straightaway.

Of one thing I am certain, Ron will know better than I will -'and probably quite a few others on here, methinks! Excitement is rising.

Also, have you all looked at those videos of the new players. I liked these a lot, but remembering some of the defences did look a bit League 2 - you know who I mean.
[quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: Surely we should start with the same team that did so well against whu when we play NUFC and intergrate the new players as and when its appropriate depending on the opposition. To many changes against Newcastle could have a detrimental effect. I suppose what I am saying is let the team evolve over a period of time, the cream will always rise to the top and I have complete faith in Ronk We March On[/p][/quote]Yes, I get that. However, the new guys will, thanks to international weekend, have some 10 days to get the feel of the team, together with Ron's coaching. So he might bring one or two in straightaway. Of one thing I am certain, Ron will know better than I will -'and probably quite a few others on here, methinks! Excitement is rising. Also, have you all looked at those videos of the new players. I liked these a lot, but remembering some of the defences did look a bit League 2 - you know who I mean. saintbobby
  • Score: 6

2:51pm Wed 3 Sep 14

St Van Roetford says...

batesieboy wrote:
damoose wrote:
warrens 76 says...

Cannot help but be turned off by internationals following what happened in the summer, LFC taking three players and Gerrards known dislike of Les Reed may be circumstantial yet…

As for England's dire football enough said.
-------
No way those England players were sat up talking tactics in Brazil,its blatantly obvious they only talk about money,and then serve the Nation puke after a night of gambling on FIFA and comparing wage-slips.England are just not professional or focused enough to win major tournaments..and personally after last season Roy Hodgson should not be so welcomed back to St.Marys,he sat behind K and K all season smiling with them and getting all the inside info he needed, he was the main player behind the exodus not Gerrard
Quite so. And explain to me how Clyne's understudy has three average games for Arsenal and gets in the England set-up. Ridiculous. Team England, Hodgson, and the so-called big clubs really suck hard. They can go to H***.
Hull?
[quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: warrens 76 says... Cannot help but be turned off by internationals following what happened in the summer, LFC taking three players and Gerrards known dislike of Les Reed may be circumstantial yet… As for England's dire football enough said. ------- No way those England players were sat up talking tactics in Brazil,its blatantly obvious they only talk about money,and then serve the Nation puke after a night of gambling on FIFA and comparing wage-slips.England are just not professional or focused enough to win major tournaments..and personally after last season Roy Hodgson should not be so welcomed back to St.Marys,he sat behind K and K all season smiling with them and getting all the inside info he needed, he was the main player behind the exodus not Gerrard[/p][/quote]Quite so. And explain to me how Clyne's understudy has three average games for Arsenal and gets in the England set-up. Ridiculous. Team England, Hodgson, and the so-called big clubs really suck hard. They can go to H***.[/p][/quote]Hull? St Van Roetford
  • Score: 8

2:54pm Wed 3 Sep 14

St Van Roetford says...

saintbobby wrote:
bbb001 wrote:
Surely we should start with the same team that did so well against whu when we play NUFC and intergrate the new players as and when its appropriate depending on the opposition. To many changes against Newcastle could have a detrimental effect. I suppose what I am saying is let the team evolve over a period of time, the cream will always rise to the top and I have complete faith in Ronk
We March On
Yes, I get that. However, the new guys will, thanks to international weekend, have some 10 days to get the feel of the team, together with Ron's coaching. So he might bring one or two in straightaway.

Of one thing I am certain, Ron will know better than I will -'and probably quite a few others on here, methinks! Excitement is rising.

Also, have you all looked at those videos of the new players. I liked these a lot, but remembering some of the defences did look a bit League 2 - you know who I mean.
Literally everyone looks good in a YouTube compilation.

I've stopped watching them because they're not remotely helpful. I shall wait to see the real thing(s).
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: Surely we should start with the same team that did so well against whu when we play NUFC and intergrate the new players as and when its appropriate depending on the opposition. To many changes against Newcastle could have a detrimental effect. I suppose what I am saying is let the team evolve over a period of time, the cream will always rise to the top and I have complete faith in Ronk We March On[/p][/quote]Yes, I get that. However, the new guys will, thanks to international weekend, have some 10 days to get the feel of the team, together with Ron's coaching. So he might bring one or two in straightaway. Of one thing I am certain, Ron will know better than I will -'and probably quite a few others on here, methinks! Excitement is rising. Also, have you all looked at those videos of the new players. I liked these a lot, but remembering some of the defences did look a bit League 2 - you know who I mean.[/p][/quote]Literally everyone looks good in a YouTube compilation. I've stopped watching them because they're not remotely helpful. I shall wait to see the real thing(s). St Van Roetford
  • Score: 2

3:02pm Wed 3 Sep 14

cbuk says...

Has anyone heard/seen anything about Gardos? With the signing of TA I'm wondering if Ronald doesn't fancy him. I can't see him dropping Fonte after making him captain.
Has anyone heard/seen anything about Gardos? With the signing of TA I'm wondering if Ronald doesn't fancy him. I can't see him dropping Fonte after making him captain. cbuk
  • Score: 2

3:07pm Wed 3 Sep 14

deepheat says...

This will make you laugh.

According to quotes attributed to Van Gaal, he has said, “if I wanted an easy life, I would have gone to Tottenham Hotspur.”

Anyway if you want to know at a glance all there is to know about Saints ( Market value, Average age, players, etc. etc ) go here-:

http://www.transferm
arkt.co.uk/fc-southa
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This will make you laugh. According to quotes attributed to Van Gaal, he has said, “if I wanted an easy life, I would have gone to Tottenham Hotspur.” Anyway if you want to know at a glance all there is to know about Saints ( Market value, Average age, players, etc. etc ) go here-: http://www.transferm arkt.co.uk/fc-southa mpton/startseite/ver ein/180/saison_id/20 14 deepheat
  • Score: 5

3:16pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Confucious says...

I'd like to apologise for thinking that I'll be quietly amused tonight if England lose to Norway. I have no idea where this wicked heretical idea came from and will do everything possible to redeem myself.

I think I may have influenced by listening to Wayne Rooney talking about his new position as a "role model" for young people and being annoyed about missing an appointment after falling into a deep sleep during Hodgson's TV briefing.

Oh - and for some reason I seem to be associating patriotic fervour for the national team with, of all things, treachery and traitors. I have an appointment with my therapist to try and find out what that's all about.
I'd like to apologise for thinking that I'll be quietly amused tonight if England lose to Norway. I have no idea where this wicked heretical idea came from and will do everything possible to redeem myself. I think I may have influenced by listening to Wayne Rooney talking about his new position as a "role model" for young people and being annoyed about missing an appointment after falling into a deep sleep during Hodgson's TV briefing. Oh - and for some reason I seem to be associating patriotic fervour for the national team with, of all things, treachery and traitors. I have an appointment with my therapist to try and find out what that's all about. Confucious
  • Score: 17

3:19pm Wed 3 Sep 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

garyom71 wrote:
I want to be wrong, so very wrong but I fear that the squad has been assembled partly to give room to sell Spider and perhaps J Rod in January. The board have done a fantastic job and stuck to their promise by not selling any more of our big guns in the transfer window. Our squad is also healthy and more balanced. I just have a gut feeling that Spider was made a promise - stick it out at St Mary's for a few months and if you want it, you can have your move in January.
I think you are wrong, so very wrong.
One of spiders main gripes over the summer was that the new board wouldn't honour the deal that NC gave him. According to spider NC told him that he could leave this summer, NC also gave similar deals to Shaw and Dejerk.
Why would the club now give spider a promise of a move when they don't want him to go and wouldn't honour a deal struck by the former chairman? I'm not saying that spider wont move in Jan but I very much doubt that the chairman and les reed would have backed themselves into a corner!
A move for spider might also depend on how well Pochaliar is doing at spuds, if hes still there in Jan. Spider wanted to follow Pochaliar to spuds so its no real surprise that the club wouldn't contemplate selling him to them.
Spider is clearly a top player and could become a world class midfielder so we need to all we can to keep him here. Let Ronnie work his magic and convince spider, J-Rod and other players that they would be far better staying with the mighty saints. Euro qualification will certainly help his cause so a cup run would be great.
I think spider will be here for the rest of the season, but as I say he might go in Jan because there will be a he'll of a lot of interest in him.
[quote][p][bold]garyom71[/bold] wrote: I want to be wrong, so very wrong but I fear that the squad has been assembled partly to give room to sell Spider and perhaps J Rod in January. The board have done a fantastic job and stuck to their promise by not selling any more of our big guns in the transfer window. Our squad is also healthy and more balanced. I just have a gut feeling that Spider was made a promise - stick it out at St Mary's for a few months and if you want it, you can have your move in January.[/p][/quote]I think you are wrong, so very wrong. One of spiders main gripes over the summer was that the new board wouldn't honour the deal that NC gave him. According to spider NC told him that he could leave this summer, NC also gave similar deals to Shaw and Dejerk. Why would the club now give spider a promise of a move when they don't want him to go and wouldn't honour a deal struck by the former chairman? I'm not saying that spider wont move in Jan but I very much doubt that the chairman and les reed would have backed themselves into a corner! A move for spider might also depend on how well Pochaliar is doing at spuds, if hes still there in Jan. Spider wanted to follow Pochaliar to spuds so its no real surprise that the club wouldn't contemplate selling him to them. Spider is clearly a top player and could become a world class midfielder so we need to all we can to keep him here. Let Ronnie work his magic and convince spider, J-Rod and other players that they would be far better staying with the mighty saints. Euro qualification will certainly help his cause so a cup run would be great. I think spider will be here for the rest of the season, but as I say he might go in Jan because there will be a he'll of a lot of interest in him. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 1

3:41pm Wed 3 Sep 14

miltonnroad76 says...

Well this may the first time in history that saints have so many options usually its pretty easy to pick the starting 11 and formation but i havent a clue what looks best....cant wait to see how it all works out and who will step up..saw a bit of Mane on utube looked strong quick and dangerous he could be a real threat....i only think that ward-prowse should be in every week hes a real talent in the making along side morgan and whoever else.One thing is for sure the top teams have the players on the bench to change things as chelsea did to saints last year and now it seems saints have the same capability.Cant wait for next game!! And i hope England lose tonight coz Roy shoulda been sacked for his spineless selections in the world cup...leaving Rickie on the bench when we needed a goals was blinkered ignorance,same for Berkely and even Lilalana...and rooney as a role model ..is laughable...no matter how bad he plays he gets picked and same applies to Welbeck tho it will be interesting how he fares at Arsenal could prove me wrong but i doubt it.
Well this may the first time in history that saints have so many options usually its pretty easy to pick the starting 11 and formation but i havent a clue what looks best....cant wait to see how it all works out and who will step up..saw a bit of Mane on utube looked strong quick and dangerous he could be a real threat....i only think that ward-prowse should be in every week hes a real talent in the making along side morgan and whoever else.One thing is for sure the top teams have the players on the bench to change things as chelsea did to saints last year and now it seems saints have the same capability.Cant wait for next game!! And i hope England lose tonight coz Roy shoulda been sacked for his spineless selections in the world cup...leaving Rickie on the bench when we needed a goals was blinkered ignorance,same for Berkely and even Lilalana...and rooney as a role model ..is laughable...no matter how bad he plays he gets picked and same applies to Welbeck tho it will be interesting how he fares at Arsenal could prove me wrong but i doubt it. miltonnroad76
  • Score: 5

3:47pm Wed 3 Sep 14

miltonnroad76 says...

Hopefully Pottychino will still be at spurs when they visit st marys for a good 'doing' to quote steve bruce but i doubt it once he gets found out.....would be nice to sing ' youre getting sacked in the morning' to him.
Hopefully Pottychino will still be at spurs when they visit st marys for a good 'doing' to quote steve bruce but i doubt it once he gets found out.....would be nice to sing ' youre getting sacked in the morning' to him. miltonnroad76
  • Score: 11

3:54pm Wed 3 Sep 14

george chivers says...

Alicesdad wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
I think Shane Long is the signing most fans are underwhelmed with. He will most likely be a bit part player when Jay comes back. So until that time arrives it is up to him to take his chance starting with Newcastle. Pardew has already said that he isn't worth £12mil so get to it Shane. We all want to love you as well.
I see the bigger picture with Shane Long. He is effectively the replacement for Jay-Rod. He will not feature much when Jay gets back fit, but the expectation is that Jay will leave next summer, he has already been offered a new 5 year contract which he has turned down, if he doesnt sign up then we will need to sell him next summer rather than let him leave on a free.

By getting Shane Long in now, we have prepared for the future by having his replacement already in the squad and adapted to the team and style. That isnt to say that we wouldnt buy another striker with the money, just the like for like replacement is in place.
Doesn't really deserve a thumbs down as it's a viable option although will always be speculation until something actually happens.

Right now I can't see him getting picked that often, but then again I used to think tht Osvaldo was a good signing ... it's strange how things can work out.
It bothers me that we can spend £12m on a "Striker" who scoring ratio is 1 goal in 4 games. That's more like a midfielder. But there again Leicester have paid £8M for David McGoldrick. Crazy. But is shows how difficult it is to buy good strikers up to PL standard. Hull offered £12M for Jordan Rhodes and were told to clear off by Blackburn. I would have been happy if we had paid £12M for Rhodes, but not for Long. (no joke intended)
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: I think Shane Long is the signing most fans are underwhelmed with. He will most likely be a bit part player when Jay comes back. So until that time arrives it is up to him to take his chance starting with Newcastle. Pardew has already said that he isn't worth £12mil so get to it Shane. We all want to love you as well.[/p][/quote]I see the bigger picture with Shane Long. He is effectively the replacement for Jay-Rod. He will not feature much when Jay gets back fit, but the expectation is that Jay will leave next summer, he has already been offered a new 5 year contract which he has turned down, if he doesnt sign up then we will need to sell him next summer rather than let him leave on a free. By getting Shane Long in now, we have prepared for the future by having his replacement already in the squad and adapted to the team and style. That isnt to say that we wouldnt buy another striker with the money, just the like for like replacement is in place.[/p][/quote]Doesn't really deserve a thumbs down as it's a viable option although will always be speculation until something actually happens. Right now I can't see him getting picked that often, but then again I used to think tht Osvaldo was a good signing ... it's strange how things can work out.[/p][/quote]It bothers me that we can spend £12m on a "Striker" who scoring ratio is 1 goal in 4 games. That's more like a midfielder. But there again Leicester have paid £8M for David McGoldrick. Crazy. But is shows how difficult it is to buy good strikers up to PL standard. Hull offered £12M for Jordan Rhodes and were told to clear off by Blackburn. I would have been happy if we had paid £12M for Rhodes, but not for Long. (no joke intended) george chivers
  • Score: -9

4:07pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Confucious says...

miltonnroad76 wrote:
Hopefully Pottychino will still be at spurs when they visit st marys for a good 'doing' to quote steve bruce but i doubt it once he gets found out.....would be nice to sing ' youre getting sacked in the morning' to him.
"You signed Pottyp!ss we signed Ronald Koeman, Ronald Koeman"
[quote][p][bold]miltonnroad76[/bold] wrote: Hopefully Pottychino will still be at spurs when they visit st marys for a good 'doing' to quote steve bruce but i doubt it once he gets found out.....would be nice to sing ' youre getting sacked in the morning' to him.[/p][/quote]"You signed Pottyp!ss we signed Ronald Koeman, Ronald Koeman" Confucious
  • Score: 5

4:31pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Stafford Saint says...

lowe esteem wrote:
Stafford Saint wrote: I heard an interesting interview with a lower league manager on the radio the other day, although I've forgotten who. In it he suggested the, at first odd, suggestion that having players that might look to move on from your club in your squad is a good thing. He lauded their ambition and commitment to improving themself. He liked a player that would fight all year to be his best and either help the team to promotion or earn a move for himself. Personal ambition and application are not divorced from the team. The player that does move has usually given you a good season in earning that. It is a manager's job to utilise these players.
You didn't mention £allana, £ovren, £ambert, Cashambers, $haw or PocketthechangO. (aka Pochkerching!) As a 'lower league manager' he probably wouldn't have appreciated the $ca£e o£ the prob£em though, eh?
Can we only ever recruit die-hard Saints fans to play for us? Is that possible, even if it was desirable? Has every foreign player we ever bought been a kid growing up with a wall of Saints posters?! Get the best out of a player, hope they fall in love with the place and the people and hope they don't jump ship immediately they get better/ are found out by other clubs to be good. SFC have dumped many players for not being good enough regardless of their love for the badge so I don't think we can get high n mighty.
Whilst we would all prefer the best to stick around is it better to have had them and lost them than not have them at all? Have you not enjoyed the games under them? Where was Koeman, Tadic, Alderweireld et al and their ilk a year and half ago when we had Adkins or further back when we weren't in the Premiership? They are here because we have the Prem status but also because we have raised our profile generally.
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stafford Saint[/bold] wrote: I heard an interesting interview with a lower league manager on the radio the other day, although I've forgotten who. In it he suggested the, at first odd, suggestion that having players that might look to move on from your club in your squad is a good thing. He lauded their ambition and commitment to improving themself. He liked a player that would fight all year to be his best and either help the team to promotion or earn a move for himself. Personal ambition and application are not divorced from the team. The player that does move has usually given you a good season in earning that. It is a manager's job to utilise these players.[/p][/quote]You didn't mention £allana, £ovren, £ambert, Cashambers, $haw or PocketthechangO. (aka Pochkerching!) As a 'lower league manager' he probably wouldn't have appreciated the $ca£e o£ the prob£em though, eh?[/p][/quote]Can we only ever recruit die-hard Saints fans to play for us? Is that possible, even if it was desirable? Has every foreign player we ever bought been a kid growing up with a wall of Saints posters?! Get the best out of a player, hope they fall in love with the place and the people and hope they don't jump ship immediately they get better/ are found out by other clubs to be good. SFC have dumped many players for not being good enough regardless of their love for the badge so I don't think we can get high n mighty. Whilst we would all prefer the best to stick around is it better to have had them and lost them than not have them at all? Have you not enjoyed the games under them? Where was Koeman, Tadic, Alderweireld et al and their ilk a year and half ago when we had Adkins or further back when we weren't in the Premiership? They are here because we have the Prem status but also because we have raised our profile generally. Stafford Saint
  • Score: 9

5:00pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Alicesdad says...

Confucious wrote:
I'd like to apologise for thinking that I'll be quietly amused tonight if England lose to Norway. I have no idea where this wicked heretical idea came from and will do everything possible to redeem myself.

I think I may have influenced by listening to Wayne Rooney talking about his new position as a "role model" for young people and being annoyed about missing an appointment after falling into a deep sleep during Hodgson's TV briefing.

Oh - and for some reason I seem to be associating patriotic fervour for the national team with, of all things, treachery and traitors. I have an appointment with my therapist to try and find out what that's all about.
I think you once suggested that you stopped supporting England when you found out that Portsmouth was in it. I trust you have kept true to your word as they still insist on being part of the UK despite calls for a referendum to severe them from the Union.

For a short while .. only for a few weeks as I recall.. the majority of the national team were all Saints players last season and Roy had a season ticket at St Marys ... that had inspired me to cheer them on a little more until they all departed after they went to Brazil and came back as scousers or honorary mancs.

National team support is a fickle thing. It feels like the right thing to do even though we are generally completely out of our depth on the world stage. One day the FA will decree that all EPL players MUST be made eligible to play for England. Insiders tell me that this will happen the day after Scotland gain independence. Must be true then.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: I'd like to apologise for thinking that I'll be quietly amused tonight if England lose to Norway. I have no idea where this wicked heretical idea came from and will do everything possible to redeem myself. I think I may have influenced by listening to Wayne Rooney talking about his new position as a "role model" for young people and being annoyed about missing an appointment after falling into a deep sleep during Hodgson's TV briefing. Oh - and for some reason I seem to be associating patriotic fervour for the national team with, of all things, treachery and traitors. I have an appointment with my therapist to try and find out what that's all about.[/p][/quote]I think you once suggested that you stopped supporting England when you found out that Portsmouth was in it. I trust you have kept true to your word as they still insist on being part of the UK despite calls for a referendum to severe them from the Union. For a short while .. only for a few weeks as I recall.. the majority of the national team were all Saints players last season and Roy had a season ticket at St Marys ... that had inspired me to cheer them on a little more until they all departed after they went to Brazil and came back as scousers or honorary mancs. National team support is a fickle thing. It feels like the right thing to do even though we are generally completely out of our depth on the world stage. One day the FA will decree that all EPL players MUST be made eligible to play for England. Insiders tell me that this will happen the day after Scotland gain independence. Must be true then. Alicesdad
  • Score: 6

5:16pm Wed 3 Sep 14

nomorerumours says...

TGodSFC wrote:
You can see why Gaston left for a team like Hull now can't you.
I understand what you meant and gave you a thumbs up but obviously some others did not. I wanted Gaston to succeed as much as anyone. I thought he might respond to RonKo. After all our purchases, we now have more than enough cover in midfield or up front - and Gaston has played in both areas for us with very limited success. He would hardly have got any game time this season and probably rarely have even made it to the bench. Loaning him out to Hull (without a buy option at the end) will give him a lot of game time (unless he flops there, which I would not expect). If he impresses at Hull, come the end of the season we can either decide to take him back (if RonKo thinks he can then find a place for him in the squad) or we can sell him at a far higher price than his current value. If he does not perform well, we will not have lost any more than we have already and in the meantime Hull would have paid his wages. So it's an excellent piece of risk free business. It's a little different to loaning out some of our academy players (like Stevens and Turnbull) who need game time under their belts to assist in their development. Stevens' loan is only extended until January. I think RonKo has some bigger plans for him soon. Quite apart from the academy players who have featured in some of our pre-season games and on several Pl game benches, I think, perhaps in 18 months or so, Omar Rowe could make it all the way to our 1st team. I saw several videos of him and he looked impressive, scoring a hat rick in one of the under 19 games. I think all our loan deals, in and out, have been well planned and greatly to our advantage.
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: You can see why Gaston left for a team like Hull now can't you.[/p][/quote]I understand what you meant and gave you a thumbs up but obviously some others did not. I wanted Gaston to succeed as much as anyone. I thought he might respond to RonKo. After all our purchases, we now have more than enough cover in midfield or up front - and Gaston has played in both areas for us with very limited success. He would hardly have got any game time this season and probably rarely have even made it to the bench. Loaning him out to Hull (without a buy option at the end) will give him a lot of game time (unless he flops there, which I would not expect). If he impresses at Hull, come the end of the season we can either decide to take him back (if RonKo thinks he can then find a place for him in the squad) or we can sell him at a far higher price than his current value. If he does not perform well, we will not have lost any more than we have already and in the meantime Hull would have paid his wages. So it's an excellent piece of risk free business. It's a little different to loaning out some of our academy players (like Stevens and Turnbull) who need game time under their belts to assist in their development. Stevens' loan is only extended until January. I think RonKo has some bigger plans for him soon. Quite apart from the academy players who have featured in some of our pre-season games and on several Pl game benches, I think, perhaps in 18 months or so, Omar Rowe could make it all the way to our 1st team. I saw several videos of him and he looked impressive, scoring a hat rick in one of the under 19 games. I think all our loan deals, in and out, have been well planned and greatly to our advantage. nomorerumours
  • Score: 6

5:17pm Wed 3 Sep 14

SnapperSaint says...

Stafford Saint wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
Stafford Saint wrote: I heard an interesting interview with a lower league manager on the radio the other day, although I've forgotten who. In it he suggested the, at first odd, suggestion that having players that might look to move on from your club in your squad is a good thing. He lauded their ambition and commitment to improving themself. He liked a player that would fight all year to be his best and either help the team to promotion or earn a move for himself. Personal ambition and application are not divorced from the team. The player that does move has usually given you a good season in earning that. It is a manager's job to utilise these players.
You didn't mention £allana, £ovren, £ambert, Cashambers, $haw or PocketthechangO. (aka Pochkerching!) As a 'lower league manager' he probably wouldn't have appreciated the $ca£e o£ the prob£em though, eh?
Can we only ever recruit die-hard Saints fans to play for us? Is that possible, even if it was desirable? Has every foreign player we ever bought been a kid growing up with a wall of Saints posters?! Get the best out of a player, hope they fall in love with the place and the people and hope they don't jump ship immediately they get better/ are found out by other clubs to be good. SFC have dumped many players for not being good enough regardless of their love for the badge so I don't think we can get high n mighty.
Whilst we would all prefer the best to stick around is it better to have had them and lost them than not have them at all? Have you not enjoyed the games under them? Where was Koeman, Tadic, Alderweireld et al and their ilk a year and half ago when we had Adkins or further back when we weren't in the Premiership? They are here because we have the Prem status but also because we have raised our profile generally.
Agree with what you're saying, but only Rickie came out this summer's big sell off with any dignity and is still a fan's favourite because of the way he conducted himself throughout the process and didn't show any disrespect the club that had brought him to the attention of the world!
Lovren was one of the type of players you mention who really only used Saints as a stepping stone and fair enough he followed his head (and pockets) out, Chambers seemingly didn't get a choice, but Lallana really should have had a better PR team on his case. Lallana is Saints born and bred and should have done a much better job of avoiding sounding and looking like money was his only motive. In turn p1ssing off the fans and club in the way that he did...I really would not want to be in his boots if he plays when Liverhampton come to St. Mary's! If Brenda has any sense he might tell Lallana to be fain an injury before that match so as not to put him through the abuse he will undoubtedly get!
[quote][p][bold]Stafford Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stafford Saint[/bold] wrote: I heard an interesting interview with a lower league manager on the radio the other day, although I've forgotten who. In it he suggested the, at first odd, suggestion that having players that might look to move on from your club in your squad is a good thing. He lauded their ambition and commitment to improving themself. He liked a player that would fight all year to be his best and either help the team to promotion or earn a move for himself. Personal ambition and application are not divorced from the team. The player that does move has usually given you a good season in earning that. It is a manager's job to utilise these players.[/p][/quote]You didn't mention £allana, £ovren, £ambert, Cashambers, $haw or PocketthechangO. (aka Pochkerching!) As a 'lower league manager' he probably wouldn't have appreciated the $ca£e o£ the prob£em though, eh?[/p][/quote]Can we only ever recruit die-hard Saints fans to play for us? Is that possible, even if it was desirable? Has every foreign player we ever bought been a kid growing up with a wall of Saints posters?! Get the best out of a player, hope they fall in love with the place and the people and hope they don't jump ship immediately they get better/ are found out by other clubs to be good. SFC have dumped many players for not being good enough regardless of their love for the badge so I don't think we can get high n mighty. Whilst we would all prefer the best to stick around is it better to have had them and lost them than not have them at all? Have you not enjoyed the games under them? Where was Koeman, Tadic, Alderweireld et al and their ilk a year and half ago when we had Adkins or further back when we weren't in the Premiership? They are here because we have the Prem status but also because we have raised our profile generally.[/p][/quote]Agree with what you're saying, but only Rickie came out this summer's big sell off with any dignity and is still a fan's favourite because of the way he conducted himself throughout the process and didn't show any disrespect the club that had brought him to the attention of the world! Lovren was one of the type of players you mention who really only used Saints as a stepping stone and fair enough he followed his head (and pockets) out, Chambers seemingly didn't get a choice, but Lallana really should have had a better PR team on his case. Lallana is Saints born and bred and should have done a much better job of avoiding sounding and looking like money was his only motive. In turn p1ssing off the fans and club in the way that he did...I really would not want to be in his boots if he plays when Liverhampton come to St. Mary's! If Brenda has any sense he might tell Lallana to be fain an injury before that match so as not to put him through the abuse he will undoubtedly get! SnapperSaint
  • Score: 4

5:19pm Wed 3 Sep 14

right back in the bar says...

damoose wrote:
warrens 76 says...

Cannot help but be turned off by internationals following what happened in the summer, LFC taking three players and Gerrards known dislike of Les Reed may be circumstantial yet…

As for England's dire football enough said.
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No way those England players were sat up talking tactics in Brazil,its blatantly obvious they only talk about money,and then serve the Nation puke after a night of gambling on FIFA and comparing wage-slips.England are just not professional or focused enough to win major tournaments..and personally after last season Roy Hodgson should not be so welcomed back to St.Marys,he sat behind K and K all season smiling with them and getting all the inside info he needed, he was the main player behind the exodus not Gerrard
I told my son to take his boots this evening - he might get a game. he's 16, has a good pass completion rate, and doesn't sulk when things don't go his way. Just what England need.
Frankly I have had enough of Ingerlund and doubt I will ever look out for them again until we get some proper stand up blokes playing in the team again. What a bunch of chumps they are and Rooney as captain! Hodgson has a short memory but I can vividly recall the time 4 years ago in SA when Rooney blasted expletives at the cameras after another poor performance jst beacsue the famns back home dared criticise his performances. That the oaf is now England captain is beyond the pale and the last straw for me.
[quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: warrens 76 says... Cannot help but be turned off by internationals following what happened in the summer, LFC taking three players and Gerrards known dislike of Les Reed may be circumstantial yet… As for England's dire football enough said. ------- No way those England players were sat up talking tactics in Brazil,its blatantly obvious they only talk about money,and then serve the Nation puke after a night of gambling on FIFA and comparing wage-slips.England are just not professional or focused enough to win major tournaments..and personally after last season Roy Hodgson should not be so welcomed back to St.Marys,he sat behind K and K all season smiling with them and getting all the inside info he needed, he was the main player behind the exodus not Gerrard[/p][/quote]I told my son to take his boots this evening - he might get a game. he's 16, has a good pass completion rate, and doesn't sulk when things don't go his way. Just what England need. Frankly I have had enough of Ingerlund and doubt I will ever look out for them again until we get some proper stand up blokes playing in the team again. What a bunch of chumps they are and Rooney as captain! Hodgson has a short memory but I can vividly recall the time 4 years ago in SA when Rooney blasted expletives at the cameras after another poor performance jst beacsue the famns back home dared criticise his performances. That the oaf is now England captain is beyond the pale and the last straw for me. right back in the bar
  • Score: 11

5:22pm Wed 3 Sep 14

jls217 says...

JimmyLondon wrote:
FortWorth_Saint wrote:
JimmyLondon wrote: My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.
have you read my post? Formations don't mean a thing. Players move around all the time. They have a plan but they adapt probably with signals from the bench.
Alright alright, its a message board, we are all entitled to our own opinion. Just because you have dug up an old Ted Bates article on players being flexible does not mean that i cannot post my preferred team selections and i do disagree formations are still important.
In the military there is a saying that no plan no matter how meticulously laid survives first contact with the enemy.

How many teams did we frighten to death last season because no matter how good their tactics and formation we never gave them the time and space to implement them.
And this is where we came unstuck last season too - because the teams who quickly learned to counter what we were doing and changed their plans and formations were the ones who troubled us because we only knew that one plan and our formations were too rigid. I listened to a German manager on the the telly recently who said he expects every player in everyone of his teams to be able to adapt to any position and give a good account of himself and expected every player to run forward with the ball 'cos the days of a player just sticking to what he knows are over as the game is so fast and counterattacking nowadays - made sense when he said it.
[quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FortWorth_Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JimmyLondon[/bold] wrote: My team for the season basewd on a standard 442. Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Tadic Wanyama Spider Mane Rodriguez Pelle i know that Jay is injured but when he gets back. or 433 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Ward prose Spider Wanyama Tadic Pelle Mane or rodriguez or 4231 Forster Clyne Fonte Alderweiled Bertrand Wanyama Cork Tadic Spider Mane Pelle or how about 352 Forster Fonte Alderweiled Gardos Clyne Spider wanyama cork bertrand pelle mane or Rodriguez this still leaves a very strong bench (depending on combination) of Boruc, Gardos, cork, Davis, Rodriguez, wardprose, mayuka, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Yoshida we really have some great competition for places now and allows for multiple combinations. Great work by RoKo and the board....and a big well done to Les Reed also, although he came in for a lot of flack...from me included! The board said judge them on Sept 2nd, well i judge they have done very well. thank you KL also looking forward to the season ahead.[/p][/quote]have you read my post? Formations don't mean a thing. Players move around all the time. They have a plan but they adapt probably with signals from the bench.[/p][/quote]Alright alright, its a message board, we are all entitled to our own opinion. Just because you have dug up an old Ted Bates article on players being flexible does not mean that i cannot post my preferred team selections and i do disagree formations are still important.[/p][/quote]In the military there is a saying that no plan no matter how meticulously laid survives first contact with the enemy. How many teams did we frighten to death last season because no matter how good their tactics and formation we never gave them the time and space to implement them. And this is where we came unstuck last season too - because the teams who quickly learned to counter what we were doing and changed their plans and formations were the ones who troubled us because we only knew that one plan and our formations were too rigid. I listened to a German manager on the the telly recently who said he expects every player in everyone of his teams to be able to adapt to any position and give a good account of himself and expected every player to run forward with the ball 'cos the days of a player just sticking to what he knows are over as the game is so fast and counterattacking nowadays - made sense when he said it. jls217
  • Score: 3

5:25pm Wed 3 Sep 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Saint Clements wrote:
Shrewdsaint wrote:
Or he could go to 3 at the back to show the other dutchman how its done.
Was just going to post the same thing. Fonte in the middle, with Toby to the right and Gardos to the left. Wing backs of Clyne and Bertie. Spider and Victor in the middle. And Mane and Tadic roaming fluidly behind Pelle.

Looks strong to me.
Sounds good to me St Clem, at least RonKo and his team have two weeks to work on it and see who is ready and who is not.
He has several options but don't be surprised if he doesn't start with the last winning line up.

COYS
[quote][p][bold]Saint Clements[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shrewdsaint[/bold] wrote: Or he could go to 3 at the back to show the other dutchman how its done.[/p][/quote]Was just going to post the same thing. Fonte in the middle, with Toby to the right and Gardos to the left. Wing backs of Clyne and Bertie. Spider and Victor in the middle. And Mane and Tadic roaming fluidly behind Pelle. Looks strong to me.[/p][/quote]Sounds good to me St Clem, at least RonKo and his team have two weeks to work on it and see who is ready and who is not. He has several options but don't be surprised if he doesn't start with the last winning line up. COYS NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 1

5:33pm Wed 3 Sep 14

nomorerumours says...

Slick Saint wrote:
Okay. So this might not be popular to say but here we go...
Fonte might be captain but he's not good enough.
I hope that both Florin and Toby are in place together as Fonte was made to look good by Lovren. Don't get me wrong, he has improved but still not enough
Very brave of you to say that, as we all love our captain and respect his loyalty to the club. I do tend to agree with you though. I think RonKo will start to use his squad rotation methods (which he's strongly hinted at) once the team have bedded in after several more games. Yes the best of our back 4 will obviously get the most game time (or most full games - unwise to tinker with them during a game unless there is an injury or one is having a mare). Just because Jose is now our captain and has already upped his game somewhat on last season, does not make him immune from losing his regular spot in due course. Obviously, it will depend on how the others perform. RonKo is firm but fair. He will do what he feels is best for the team, I can see Jose gradually get less game time, especially when we start playing the big clubs in 2 months time. He will understand this and will not let anyone down or go off in a sulk (like one of his ex-colleagues). Perhaps another Kelvin Davis type in loyalty terms. Now, I'll probably also get a load of thumbs down but I'd rather speak honestly than just try to please others. Even the most happy of clappers, like me, can sometimes have a dose of reality!
[quote][p][bold]Slick Saint[/bold] wrote: Okay. So this might not be popular to say but here we go... Fonte might be captain but he's not good enough. I hope that both Florin and Toby are in place together as Fonte was made to look good by Lovren. Don't get me wrong, he has improved but still not enough[/p][/quote]Very brave of you to say that, as we all love our captain and respect his loyalty to the club. I do tend to agree with you though. I think RonKo will start to use his squad rotation methods (which he's strongly hinted at) once the team have bedded in after several more games. Yes the best of our back 4 will obviously get the most game time (or most full games - unwise to tinker with them during a game unless there is an injury or one is having a mare). Just because Jose is now our captain and has already upped his game somewhat on last season, does not make him immune from losing his regular spot in due course. Obviously, it will depend on how the others perform. RonKo is firm but fair. He will do what he feels is best for the team, I can see Jose gradually get less game time, especially when we start playing the big clubs in 2 months time. He will understand this and will not let anyone down or go off in a sulk (like one of his ex-colleagues). Perhaps another Kelvin Davis type in loyalty terms. Now, I'll probably also get a load of thumbs down but I'd rather speak honestly than just try to please others. Even the most happy of clappers, like me, can sometimes have a dose of reality! nomorerumours
  • Score: 7

5:40pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Positively4thStreet says...

garyom71 wrote:
I want to be wrong, so very wrong but I fear that the squad has been assembled partly to give room to sell Spider and perhaps J Rod in January. The board have done a fantastic job and stuck to their promise by not selling any more of our big guns in the transfer window. Our squad is also healthy and more balanced. I just have a gut feeling that Spider was made a promise - stick it out at St Mary's for a few months and if you want it, you can have your move in January.
What does it matter? Ron Manager obviously knows what he is doing,so why do we need to worry?
We have,arguably,a better squad now,than before,so if some go,they will be replaced,like for like,or better.In Ron we trust!
[quote][p][bold]garyom71[/bold] wrote: I want to be wrong, so very wrong but I fear that the squad has been assembled partly to give room to sell Spider and perhaps J Rod in January. The board have done a fantastic job and stuck to their promise by not selling any more of our big guns in the transfer window. Our squad is also healthy and more balanced. I just have a gut feeling that Spider was made a promise - stick it out at St Mary's for a few months and if you want it, you can have your move in January.[/p][/quote]What does it matter? Ron Manager obviously knows what he is doing,so why do we need to worry? We have,arguably,a better squad now,than before,so if some go,they will be replaced,like for like,or better.In Ron we trust! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

6:03pm Wed 3 Sep 14

SnapperSaint says...

From the OS site...
Dani Osvaldo was a second-half substitute as Inter Milan began their 2014/15 Serie A campaign with a goalless draw at Torino.
Yep that's him Mr goalless!
From the OS site... Dani Osvaldo was a second-half substitute as Inter Milan began their 2014/15 Serie A campaign with a goalless draw at Torino. Yep that's him Mr goalless! SnapperSaint
  • Score: 3

6:04pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Clever Dick says...

SaintPC wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
I think Shane Long is the signing most fans are underwhelmed with. He will most likely be a bit part player when Jay comes back. So until that time arrives it is up to him to take his chance starting with Newcastle. Pardew has already said that he isn't worth £12mil so get to it Shane. We all want to love you as well.
I see the bigger picture with Shane Long. He is effectively the replacement for Jay-Rod. He will not feature much when Jay gets back fit, but the expectation is that Jay will leave next summer, he has already been offered a new 5 year contract which he has turned down, if he doesnt sign up then we will need to sell him next summer rather than let him leave on a free.

By getting Shane Long in now, we have prepared for the future by having his replacement already in the squad and adapted to the team and style. That isnt to say that we wouldnt buy another striker with the money, just the like for like replacement is in place.
I can understand what you are saying and I have nothing against Shane Long. I really hope he does well and bags some goals. I don't really think he will ever adequately replace JayRod though. But it isn't really a problem as we will be getting megabucks for Jay if he goes and that should fund a quality replacement. Same goes for Morgan if he were to take a backward step to Spudhampton. Both these players would bring in £25mil each minimum, so we will be back in the same strong position of having plenty to spend on very good replacements.
[quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: I think Shane Long is the signing most fans are underwhelmed with. He will most likely be a bit part player when Jay comes back. So until that time arrives it is up to him to take his chance starting with Newcastle. Pardew has already said that he isn't worth £12mil so get to it Shane. We all want to love you as well.[/p][/quote]I see the bigger picture with Shane Long. He is effectively the replacement for Jay-Rod. He will not feature much when Jay gets back fit, but the expectation is that Jay will leave next summer, he has already been offered a new 5 year contract which he has turned down, if he doesnt sign up then we will need to sell him next summer rather than let him leave on a free. By getting Shane Long in now, we have prepared for the future by having his replacement already in the squad and adapted to the team and style. That isnt to say that we wouldnt buy another striker with the money, just the like for like replacement is in place.[/p][/quote]I can understand what you are saying and I have nothing against Shane Long. I really hope he does well and bags some goals. I don't really think he will ever adequately replace JayRod though. But it isn't really a problem as we will be getting megabucks for Jay if he goes and that should fund a quality replacement. Same goes for Morgan if he were to take a backward step to Spudhampton. Both these players would bring in £25mil each minimum, so we will be back in the same strong position of having plenty to spend on very good replacements. Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

6:05pm Wed 3 Sep 14

warrens 76 says...

Back in the day I was an exceptional salesman, no more than that practically godlike, the answer was always yes after a series of no's I agree an my customers genuinely loved me and when I owned my own outfits I transferred the 'approach' and thinking outside of coventional wisdom to my sales gang…

..Yet the destruction of my team as I and many others viewed it prevented me looking at the bigger picture…

..The FFP is in EUFA's own word from their own general meeting a method of promoting the brand..the MUFc's, Arsenals, Liverpools are basically the equivalent of owning the sporting operating rights of Coca cola, Pepsi cola, McDonalds, Ford, Samsung etc..

To this end a Panda Pops club 'destroys' the brand…the current situation is spend yourselves into oblivion (Leeds and almost chelsea) or be one of 'us' ( Real, Barca, Mufco, etc) we are to late to the party MCFC and Chelsea arrived in time, we and many other real clubs did not…

So the board did the right thing with complete lateral thinking, sell out maximum, bring in more value and continue a style of play from youth up Ajax styleeeee..

I can see my error in calling the board….however eating Humble pie aside our history revolves around most people in charge having a clue.
Back in the day I was an exceptional salesman, no more than that practically godlike, the answer was always yes after a series of no's I agree an my customers genuinely loved me and when I owned my own outfits I transferred the 'approach' and thinking outside of coventional wisdom to my sales gang… ..Yet the destruction of my team as I and many others viewed it prevented me looking at the bigger picture… ..The FFP is in EUFA's own word from their own general meeting a method of promoting the brand..the MUFc's, Arsenals, Liverpools are basically the equivalent of owning the sporting operating rights of Coca cola, Pepsi cola, McDonalds, Ford, Samsung etc.. To this end a Panda Pops club 'destroys' the brand…the current situation is spend yourselves into oblivion (Leeds and almost chelsea) or be one of 'us' ( Real, Barca, Mufco, etc) we are to late to the party MCFC and Chelsea arrived in time, we and many other real clubs did not… So the board did the right thing with complete lateral thinking, sell out maximum, bring in more value and continue a style of play from youth up Ajax styleeeee.. I can see my error in calling the board….however eating Humble pie aside our history revolves around most people in charge having a clue. warrens 76
  • Score: 6

6:08pm Wed 3 Sep 14

warrens 76 says...

Confucious wrote:
I'd like to apologise for thinking that I'll be quietly amused tonight if England lose to Norway. I have no idea where this wicked heretical idea came from and will do everything possible to redeem myself.

I think I may have influenced by listening to Wayne Rooney talking about his new position as a "role model" for young people and being annoyed about missing an appointment after falling into a deep sleep during Hodgson's TV briefing.

Oh - and for some reason I seem to be associating patriotic fervour for the national team with, of all things, treachery and traitors. I have an appointment with my therapist to try and find out what that's all about.
Only role model he can be is a swiss roll model..he failed in the past but voilà he is now our saviour…FA f off.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: I'd like to apologise for thinking that I'll be quietly amused tonight if England lose to Norway. I have no idea where this wicked heretical idea came from and will do everything possible to redeem myself. I think I may have influenced by listening to Wayne Rooney talking about his new position as a "role model" for young people and being annoyed about missing an appointment after falling into a deep sleep during Hodgson's TV briefing. Oh - and for some reason I seem to be associating patriotic fervour for the national team with, of all things, treachery and traitors. I have an appointment with my therapist to try and find out what that's all about.[/p][/quote]Only role model he can be is a swiss roll model..he failed in the past but voilà he is now our saviour…FA f off. warrens 76
  • Score: 4

6:21pm Wed 3 Sep 14

nomorerumours says...

SnapperSaint wrote:
From the OS site...
Dani Osvaldo was a second-half substitute as Inter Milan began their 2014/15 Serie A campaign with a goalless draw at Torino.
Yep that's him Mr goalless!
So he actually turned up for the match and didn't hit one of his team mates. He probably thought he'll give it a game or two. If he and Suarez ever got in touching (or biting) distance of each other, that would be a contest to behold. Knockout in round 1 with Osvaldo winning leaving Suarez searching for his gum guard.
[quote][p][bold]SnapperSaint[/bold] wrote: From the OS site... Dani Osvaldo was a second-half substitute as Inter Milan began their 2014/15 Serie A campaign with a goalless draw at Torino. Yep that's him Mr goalless![/p][/quote]So he actually turned up for the match and didn't hit one of his team mates. He probably thought he'll give it a game or two. If he and Suarez ever got in touching (or biting) distance of each other, that would be a contest to behold. Knockout in round 1 with Osvaldo winning leaving Suarez searching for his gum guard. nomorerumours
  • Score: 3

6:53pm Wed 3 Sep 14

warrens 76 says...

right back in the bar wrote:
damoose wrote:
warrens 76 says...

Cannot help but be turned off by internationals following what happened in the summer, LFC taking three players and Gerrards known dislike of Les Reed may be circumstantial yet…

As for England's dire football enough said.
-------
No way those England players were sat up talking tactics in Brazil,its blatantly obvious they only talk about money,and then serve the Nation puke after a night of gambling on FIFA and comparing wage-slips.England are just not professional or focused enough to win major tournaments..and personally after last season Roy Hodgson should not be so welcomed back to St.Marys,he sat behind K and K all season smiling with them and getting all the inside info he needed, he was the main player behind the exodus not Gerrard
I told my son to take his boots this evening - he might get a game. he's 16, has a good pass completion rate, and doesn't sulk when things don't go his way. Just what England need.
Frankly I have had enough of Ingerlund and doubt I will ever look out for them again until we get some proper stand up blokes playing in the team again. What a bunch of chumps they are and Rooney as captain! Hodgson has a short memory but I can vividly recall the time 4 years ago in SA when Rooney blasted expletives at the cameras after another poor performance jst beacsue the famns back home dared criticise his performances. That the oaf is now England captain is beyond the pale and the last straw for me.
For all of us!
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: warrens 76 says... Cannot help but be turned off by internationals following what happened in the summer, LFC taking three players and Gerrards known dislike of Les Reed may be circumstantial yet… As for England's dire football enough said. ------- No way those England players were sat up talking tactics in Brazil,its blatantly obvious they only talk about money,and then serve the Nation puke after a night of gambling on FIFA and comparing wage-slips.England are just not professional or focused enough to win major tournaments..and personally after last season Roy Hodgson should not be so welcomed back to St.Marys,he sat behind K and K all season smiling with them and getting all the inside info he needed, he was the main player behind the exodus not Gerrard[/p][/quote]I told my son to take his boots this evening - he might get a game. he's 16, has a good pass completion rate, and doesn't sulk when things don't go his way. Just what England need. Frankly I have had enough of Ingerlund and doubt I will ever look out for them again until we get some proper stand up blokes playing in the team again. What a bunch of chumps they are and Rooney as captain! Hodgson has a short memory but I can vividly recall the time 4 years ago in SA when Rooney blasted expletives at the cameras after another poor performance jst beacsue the famns back home dared criticise his performances. That the oaf is now England captain is beyond the pale and the last straw for me.[/p][/quote]For all of us! warrens 76
  • Score: 1

7:06pm Wed 3 Sep 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

SnapperSaint wrote:
Stafford Saint wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
Stafford Saint wrote: I heard an interesting interview with a lower league manager on the radio the other day, although I've forgotten who. In it he suggested the, at first odd, suggestion that having players that might look to move on from your club in your squad is a good thing. He lauded their ambition and commitment to improving themself. He liked a player that would fight all year to be his best and either help the team to promotion or earn a move for himself. Personal ambition and application are not divorced from the team. The player that does move has usually given you a good season in earning that. It is a manager's job to utilise these players.
You didn't mention £allana, £ovren, £ambert, Cashambers, $haw or PocketthechangO. (aka Pochkerching!) As a 'lower league manager' he probably wouldn't have appreciated the $ca£e o£ the prob£em though, eh?
Can we only ever recruit die-hard Saints fans to play for us? Is that possible, even if it was desirable? Has every foreign player we ever bought been a kid growing up with a wall of Saints posters?! Get the best out of a player, hope they fall in love with the place and the people and hope they don't jump ship immediately they get better/ are found out by other clubs to be good. SFC have dumped many players for not being good enough regardless of their love for the badge so I don't think we can get high n mighty.
Whilst we would all prefer the best to stick around is it better to have had them and lost them than not have them at all? Have you not enjoyed the games under them? Where was Koeman, Tadic, Alderweireld et al and their ilk a year and half ago when we had Adkins or further back when we weren't in the Premiership? They are here because we have the Prem status but also because we have raised our profile generally.
Agree with what you're saying, but only Rickie came out this summer's big sell off with any dignity and is still a fan's favourite because of the way he conducted himself throughout the process and didn't show any disrespect the club that had brought him to the attention of the world!
Lovren was one of the type of players you mention who really only used Saints as a stepping stone and fair enough he followed his head (and pockets) out, Chambers seemingly didn't get a choice, but Lallana really should have had a better PR team on his case. Lallana is Saints born and bred and should have done a much better job of avoiding sounding and looking like money was his only motive. In turn p1ssing off the fans and club in the way that he did...I really would not want to be in his boots if he plays when Liverhampton come to St. Mary's! If Brenda has any sense he might tell Lallana to be fain an injury before that match so as not to put him through the abuse he will undoubtedly get!
Agree Rickie did come out of his transfer with dignity, I don't think there are many fans who would begrudge him his move and his comments about being a saints fan for life seemed truly heart felt.
I think Shaw did OK in his transfer he, or his agents didn't go running to the media to force the move through, though that might be because his move was guaranteed by NC when he signed his contract.
Liarlanna and Dejerk both showed their true colours this summer and the few words from liarlanna in his full page advert, which was mostly a pic of him, did little to help the fan reaction.
I do wonder why you said that chambers had little choice. From what I remember les reed said that chambers wanted the move and told him that he didn't see his future at the club. Going by that I thought that chambers forced a move himself, I could of course be wrong but I don't think he had little choice in the move.
[quote][p][bold]SnapperSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stafford Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stafford Saint[/bold] wrote: I heard an interesting interview with a lower league manager on the radio the other day, although I've forgotten who. In it he suggested the, at first odd, suggestion that having players that might look to move on from your club in your squad is a good thing. He lauded their ambition and commitment to improving themself. He liked a player that would fight all year to be his best and either help the team to promotion or earn a move for himself. Personal ambition and application are not divorced from the team. The player that does move has usually given you a good season in earning that. It is a manager's job to utilise these players.[/p][/quote]You didn't mention £allana, £ovren, £ambert, Cashambers, $haw or PocketthechangO. (aka Pochkerching!) As a 'lower league manager' he probably wouldn't have appreciated the $ca£e o£ the prob£em though, eh?[/p][/quote]Can we only ever recruit die-hard Saints fans to play for us? Is that possible, even if it was desirable? Has every foreign player we ever bought been a kid growing up with a wall of Saints posters?! Get the best out of a player, hope they fall in love with the place and the people and hope they don't jump ship immediately they get better/ are found out by other clubs to be good. SFC have dumped many players for not being good enough regardless of their love for the badge so I don't think we can get high n mighty. Whilst we would all prefer the best to stick around is it better to have had them and lost them than not have them at all? Have you not enjoyed the games under them? Where was Koeman, Tadic, Alderweireld et al and their ilk a year and half ago when we had Adkins or further back when we weren't in the Premiership? They are here because we have the Prem status but also because we have raised our profile generally.[/p][/quote]Agree with what you're saying, but only Rickie came out this summer's big sell off with any dignity and is still a fan's favourite because of the way he conducted himself throughout the process and didn't show any disrespect the club that had brought him to the attention of the world! Lovren was one of the type of players you mention who really only used Saints as a stepping stone and fair enough he followed his head (and pockets) out, Chambers seemingly didn't get a choice, but Lallana really should have had a better PR team on his case. Lallana is Saints born and bred and should have done a much better job of avoiding sounding and looking like money was his only motive. In turn p1ssing off the fans and club in the way that he did...I really would not want to be in his boots if he plays when Liverhampton come to St. Mary's! If Brenda has any sense he might tell Lallana to be fain an injury before that match so as not to put him through the abuse he will undoubtedly get![/p][/quote]Agree Rickie did come out of his transfer with dignity, I don't think there are many fans who would begrudge him his move and his comments about being a saints fan for life seemed truly heart felt. I think Shaw did OK in his transfer he, or his agents didn't go running to the media to force the move through, though that might be because his move was guaranteed by NC when he signed his contract. Liarlanna and Dejerk both showed their true colours this summer and the few words from liarlanna in his full page advert, which was mostly a pic of him, did little to help the fan reaction. I do wonder why you said that chambers had little choice. From what I remember les reed said that chambers wanted the move and told him that he didn't see his future at the club. Going by that I thought that chambers forced a move himself, I could of course be wrong but I don't think he had little choice in the move. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 3

7:28pm Wed 3 Sep 14

SnapperSaint says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
SnapperSaint wrote:
Stafford Saint wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
Stafford Saint wrote: I heard an interesting interview with a lower league manager on the radio the other day, although I've forgotten who. In it he suggested the, at first odd, suggestion that having players that might look to move on from your club in your squad is a good thing. He lauded their ambition and commitment to improving themself. He liked a player that would fight all year to be his best and either help the team to promotion or earn a move for himself. Personal ambition and application are not divorced from the team. The player that does move has usually given you a good season in earning that. It is a manager's job to utilise these players.
You didn't mention £allana, £ovren, £ambert, Cashambers, $haw or PocketthechangO. (aka Pochkerching!) As a 'lower league manager' he probably wouldn't have appreciated the $ca£e o£ the prob£em though, eh?
Can we only ever recruit die-hard Saints fans to play for us? Is that possible, even if it was desirable? Has every foreign player we ever bought been a kid growing up with a wall of Saints posters?! Get the best out of a player, hope they fall in love with the place and the people and hope they don't jump ship immediately they get better/ are found out by other clubs to be good. SFC have dumped many players for not being good enough regardless of their love for the badge so I don't think we can get high n mighty.
Whilst we would all prefer the best to stick around is it better to have had them and lost them than not have them at all? Have you not enjoyed the games under them? Where was Koeman, Tadic, Alderweireld et al and their ilk a year and half ago when we had Adkins or further back when we weren't in the Premiership? They are here because we have the Prem status but also because we have raised our profile generally.
Agree with what you're saying, but only Rickie came out this summer's big sell off with any dignity and is still a fan's favourite because of the way he conducted himself throughout the process and didn't show any disrespect the club that had brought him to the attention of the world!
Lovren was one of the type of players you mention who really only used Saints as a stepping stone and fair enough he followed his head (and pockets) out, Chambers seemingly didn't get a choice, but Lallana really should have had a better PR team on his case. Lallana is Saints born and bred and should have done a much better job of avoiding sounding and looking like money was his only motive. In turn p1ssing off the fans and club in the way that he did...I really would not want to be in his boots if he plays when Liverhampton come to St. Mary's! If Brenda has any sense he might tell Lallana to be fain an injury before that match so as not to put him through the abuse he will undoubtedly get!
Agree Rickie did come out of his transfer with dignity, I don't think there are many fans who would begrudge him his move and his comments about being a saints fan for life seemed truly heart felt.
I think Shaw did OK in his transfer he, or his agents didn't go running to the media to force the move through, though that might be because his move was guaranteed by NC when he signed his contract.
Liarlanna and Dejerk both showed their true colours this summer and the few words from liarlanna in his full page advert, which was mostly a pic of him, did little to help the fan reaction.
I do wonder why you said that chambers had little choice. From what I remember les reed said that chambers wanted the move and told him that he didn't see his future at the club. Going by that I thought that chambers forced a move himself, I could of course be wrong but I don't think he had little choice in the move.
In that case, I will add Chambers to the 'not welcome back at St. Mary's' list...
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SnapperSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stafford Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stafford Saint[/bold] wrote: I heard an interesting interview with a lower league manager on the radio the other day, although I've forgotten who. In it he suggested the, at first odd, suggestion that having players that might look to move on from your club in your squad is a good thing. He lauded their ambition and commitment to improving themself. He liked a player that would fight all year to be his best and either help the team to promotion or earn a move for himself. Personal ambition and application are not divorced from the team. The player that does move has usually given you a good season in earning that. It is a manager's job to utilise these players.[/p][/quote]You didn't mention £allana, £ovren, £ambert, Cashambers, $haw or PocketthechangO. (aka Pochkerching!) As a 'lower league manager' he probably wouldn't have appreciated the $ca£e o£ the prob£em though, eh?[/p][/quote]Can we only ever recruit die-hard Saints fans to play for us? Is that possible, even if it was desirable? Has every foreign player we ever bought been a kid growing up with a wall of Saints posters?! Get the best out of a player, hope they fall in love with the place and the people and hope they don't jump ship immediately they get better/ are found out by other clubs to be good. SFC have dumped many players for not being good enough regardless of their love for the badge so I don't think we can get high n mighty. Whilst we would all prefer the best to stick around is it better to have had them and lost them than not have them at all? Have you not enjoyed the games under them? Where was Koeman, Tadic, Alderweireld et al and their ilk a year and half ago when we had Adkins or further back when we weren't in the Premiership? They are here because we have the Prem status but also because we have raised our profile generally.[/p][/quote]Agree with what you're saying, but only Rickie came out this summer's big sell off with any dignity and is still a fan's favourite because of the way he conducted himself throughout the process and didn't show any disrespect the club that had brought him to the attention of the world! Lovren was one of the type of players you mention who really only used Saints as a stepping stone and fair enough he followed his head (and pockets) out, Chambers seemingly didn't get a choice, but Lallana really should have had a better PR team on his case. Lallana is Saints born and bred and should have done a much better job of avoiding sounding and looking like money was his only motive. In turn p1ssing off the fans and club in the way that he did...I really would not want to be in his boots if he plays when Liverhampton come to St. Mary's! If Brenda has any sense he might tell Lallana to be fain an injury before that match so as not to put him through the abuse he will undoubtedly get![/p][/quote]Agree Rickie did come out of his transfer with dignity, I don't think there are many fans who would begrudge him his move and his comments about being a saints fan for life seemed truly heart felt. I think Shaw did OK in his transfer he, or his agents didn't go running to the media to force the move through, though that might be because his move was guaranteed by NC when he signed his contract. Liarlanna and Dejerk both showed their true colours this summer and the few words from liarlanna in his full page advert, which was mostly a pic of him, did little to help the fan reaction. I do wonder why you said that chambers had little choice. From what I remember les reed said that chambers wanted the move and told him that he didn't see his future at the club. Going by that I thought that chambers forced a move himself, I could of course be wrong but I don't think he had little choice in the move.[/p][/quote]In that case, I will add Chambers to the 'not welcome back at St. Mary's' list... SnapperSaint
  • Score: 4

7:34pm Wed 3 Sep 14

fascia123 says...

Came in from work and my son had returned from college and was watching The mob from Scankfield v Sh!te f@rt drain, I wonder if we have had a lucky escape, spurs were absolutely awful and no head Lovren looked decidedly shaky and if spuds were going to score it was when they were up against him, much as he has in all the games I have seen since his move.

I know we should all be eulogising about our fine manager and the new signings but we have taken enough cr@p from the outside world recently it doesn't harm to have a little dig.

Up the saints
Came in from work and my son had returned from college and was watching The mob from Scankfield v Sh!te f@rt drain, I wonder if we have had a lucky escape, spurs were absolutely awful and no head Lovren looked decidedly shaky and if spuds were going to score it was when they were up against him, much as he has in all the games I have seen since his move. I know we should all be eulogising about our fine manager and the new signings but we have taken enough cr@p from the outside world recently it doesn't harm to have a little dig. Up the saints fascia123
  • Score: 3

7:53pm Wed 3 Sep 14

J7junctionseven says...

I see the nation is showing what they think about the England set up......nobody has turned up
Fair play

COYR
I see the nation is showing what they think about the England set up......nobody has turned up Fair play COYR J7junctionseven
  • Score: 4

7:54pm Wed 3 Sep 14

J7junctionseven says...

Wayne Rooney ....captain ?.. Don't make me laugh!
Wayne Rooney ....captain ?.. Don't make me laugh! J7junctionseven
  • Score: 3

7:56pm Wed 3 Sep 14

J7junctionseven says...

Even the poor fans that bothered going are laughing about how empty the place is........ha ha ha
Even the poor fans that bothered going are laughing about how empty the place is........ha ha ha J7junctionseven
  • Score: 4

8:00pm Wed 3 Sep 14

J7junctionseven says...

Time to turn over now and watch fake Britain .......if it was Fake England it would be so apt
COYR
Time to turn over now and watch fake Britain .......if it was Fake England it would be so apt COYR J7junctionseven
  • Score: 1

8:24pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Confucious says...

Is that THE Forren playing for Norway ie he who didn't get a game with us?
Is that THE Forren playing for Norway ie he who didn't get a game with us? Confucious
  • Score: 0

8:31pm Wed 3 Sep 14

J7junctionseven says...

One good thing about the England games now is we can cheer when one of them gets injured and don't have to worry about any of our players anymore.
One good thing about the England games now is we can cheer when one of them gets injured and don't have to worry about any of our players anymore. J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

8:41pm Wed 3 Sep 14

IvanMilat says...

The lack of a proper bench killed us last year. The first XI was outstanding, but as soon as we dug beneath we were exposed. I don't know if this squad is better, but it certainly seems far deeper and more varied. And with Mane we look to have pace in the team at last, something that we did not have at all last season other than among the fullbacks. This also allows us to vary our formations. Not bad at all - feeling optimistic.
The lack of a proper bench killed us last year. The first XI was outstanding, but as soon as we dug beneath we were exposed. I don't know if this squad is better, but it certainly seems far deeper and more varied. And with Mane we look to have pace in the team at last, something that we did not have at all last season other than among the fullbacks. This also allows us to vary our formations. Not bad at all - feeling optimistic. IvanMilat
  • Score: 4

8:43pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Saint Viking says...

Why do we bother watching this sh*t? Do you remember the friendlies after England had qualified for the World Cup? - absolute garbage, every one of them!

Saints have had an excellent week - a great win on Saturday, followed by what appear to be two great signings, has left me buzzing. Watching England just puts me on a downer. I've found a solution - I've turned the telly off!
Why do we bother watching this sh*t? Do you remember the friendlies after England had qualified for the World Cup? - absolute garbage, every one of them! Saints have had an excellent week - a great win on Saturday, followed by what appear to be two great signings, has left me buzzing. Watching England just puts me on a downer. I've found a solution - I've turned the telly off! Saint Viking
  • Score: 3

8:45pm Wed 3 Sep 14

IvanMilat says...

Clever Dick wrote:
I think Shane Long is the signing most fans are underwhelmed with. He will most likely be a bit part player when Jay comes back. So until that time arrives it is up to him to take his chance starting with Newcastle. Pardew has already said that he isn't worth £12mil so get to it Shane. We all want to love you as well.
I would ignore the £12 million pricetag. We paid that much because Hull knew we had money in the bank. Put it this way - if you put your house on the market and got an offer from someone you knew had won the lottery, would you ask them for more than market value? And it's not as if buying Long for 5-6 million would have enabled us to spend more on someone else of high quality.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: I think Shane Long is the signing most fans are underwhelmed with. He will most likely be a bit part player when Jay comes back. So until that time arrives it is up to him to take his chance starting with Newcastle. Pardew has already said that he isn't worth £12mil so get to it Shane. We all want to love you as well.[/p][/quote]I would ignore the £12 million pricetag. We paid that much because Hull knew we had money in the bank. Put it this way - if you put your house on the market and got an offer from someone you knew had won the lottery, would you ask them for more than market value? And it's not as if buying Long for 5-6 million would have enabled us to spend more on someone else of high quality. IvanMilat
  • Score: 3

8:49pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Saint Clements says...

Slick Saint wrote:
Okay. So this might not be popular to say but here we go...
Fonte might be captain but he's not good enough.
I hope that both Florin and Toby are in place together as Fonte was made to look good by Lovren. Don't get me wrong, he has improved but still not enough
Agreed. (Sadly.)
[quote][p][bold]Slick Saint[/bold] wrote: Okay. So this might not be popular to say but here we go... Fonte might be captain but he's not good enough. I hope that both Florin and Toby are in place together as Fonte was made to look good by Lovren. Don't get me wrong, he has improved but still not enough[/p][/quote]Agreed. (Sadly.) Saint Clements
  • Score: -3

8:54pm Wed 3 Sep 14

TPFKARTSNINZ says...

Confucious wrote:
Is that THE Forren playing for Norway ie he who didn't get a game with us?
Yes Confucious, it is.

By the way, any dream updates?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Is that THE Forren playing for Norway ie he who didn't get a game with us?[/p][/quote]Yes Confucious, it is. By the way, any dream updates? TPFKARTSNINZ
  • Score: 0

8:55pm Wed 3 Sep 14

slugger says...

Sammy2sheds , where are you ? ........ Cooeee
Sammy2sheds , where are you ? ........ Cooeee slugger
  • Score: -7

9:01pm Wed 3 Sep 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

In my opinion I feel a 3-5-2 formation is risky with the unknowns yet to establish themselves in the team.

I feel a 5-4-1 formation can incorperate all new signings and still utilise the depth of midfield players that we have. Getting a player of Alderweireld's calibre is a big statement for the existing CB players. Being benched a lot last season means he will no doubt be expecting to see a decent amount of game time. Someone may have to be prepared to take a hit for the team.
In my opinion I feel a 3-5-2 formation is risky with the unknowns yet to establish themselves in the team. I feel a 5-4-1 formation can incorperate all new signings and still utilise the depth of midfield players that we have. Getting a player of Alderweireld's calibre is a big statement for the existing CB players. Being benched a lot last season means he will no doubt be expecting to see a decent amount of game time. Someone may have to be prepared to take a hit for the team. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 3

9:22pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Anyone doing any decorating at the moment? I've got a sudden urge to watch some paint drying.
Anyone doing any decorating at the moment? I've got a sudden urge to watch some paint drying. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 5

9:26pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Confucious says...

TPFKARTSNINZ wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Is that THE Forren playing for Norway ie he who didn't get a game with us?
Yes Confucious, it is.

By the way, any dream updates?
I promised Jenifer I wouldn't dream and tell.
[quote][p][bold]TPFKARTSNINZ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Is that THE Forren playing for Norway ie he who didn't get a game with us?[/p][/quote]Yes Confucious, it is. By the way, any dream updates?[/p][/quote]I promised Jenifer I wouldn't dream and tell. Confucious
  • Score: 0

9:27pm Wed 3 Sep 14

redsnapper says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Anyone doing any decorating at the moment? I've got a sudden urge to watch some paint drying.
Same old awful rubbish--who are the nutters who actually waste time and money to go there and Woy's 3.5 million /year salary is an absolute disgrace.

The money could be better spent on junior football.
Lucky pen.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Anyone doing any decorating at the moment? I've got a sudden urge to watch some paint drying.[/p][/quote]Same old awful rubbish--who are the nutters who actually waste time and money to go there and Woy's 3.5 million /year salary is an absolute disgrace. The money could be better spent on junior football. Lucky pen. redsnapper
  • Score: 1

9:28pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Clever Dick says...

IvanMilat wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
I think Shane Long is the signing most fans are underwhelmed with. He will most likely be a bit part player when Jay comes back. So until that time arrives it is up to him to take his chance starting with Newcastle. Pardew has already said that he isn't worth £12mil so get to it Shane. We all want to love you as well.
I would ignore the £12 million pricetag. We paid that much because Hull knew we had money in the bank. Put it this way - if you put your house on the market and got an offer from someone you knew had won the lottery, would you ask them for more than market value? And it's not as if buying Long for 5-6 million would have enabled us to spend more on someone else of high quality.
I'm not really worried about the price tag. After all we've shafted Manure and Skiverpool for a lot more and we still have money in the bank. There is always the chance that SL will get a higher goals to games ratio now that he is playing for a good side. He was never going to get hundreds of chances playing for WBA or Hull was he.
[quote][p][bold]IvanMilat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: I think Shane Long is the signing most fans are underwhelmed with. He will most likely be a bit part player when Jay comes back. So until that time arrives it is up to him to take his chance starting with Newcastle. Pardew has already said that he isn't worth £12mil so get to it Shane. We all want to love you as well.[/p][/quote]I would ignore the £12 million pricetag. We paid that much because Hull knew we had money in the bank. Put it this way - if you put your house on the market and got an offer from someone you knew had won the lottery, would you ask them for more than market value? And it's not as if buying Long for 5-6 million would have enabled us to spend more on someone else of high quality.[/p][/quote]I'm not really worried about the price tag. After all we've shafted Manure and Skiverpool for a lot more and we still have money in the bank. There is always the chance that SL will get a higher goals to games ratio now that he is playing for a good side. He was never going to get hundreds of chances playing for WBA or Hull was he. Clever Dick
  • Score: 5

9:34pm Wed 3 Sep 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Anyone doing any decorating at the moment? I've got a sudden urge to watch some paint drying.
Can you see one jot of improvement under Woy?
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Anyone doing any decorating at the moment? I've got a sudden urge to watch some paint drying.[/p][/quote]Can you see one jot of improvement under Woy? fascia123
  • Score: -2

9:34pm Wed 3 Sep 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Anyone doing any decorating at the moment? I've got a sudden urge to watch some paint drying.
It's going to be a long wait for the next game! I am chomping at the bit to see the new team play!
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Anyone doing any decorating at the moment? I've got a sudden urge to watch some paint drying.[/p][/quote]It's going to be a long wait for the next game! I am chomping at the bit to see the new team play! KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 3

9:41pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Anyone doing any decorating at the moment? I've got a sudden urge to watch some paint drying.
Can you see one jot of improvement under Woy?
In a word...?
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Anyone doing any decorating at the moment? I've got a sudden urge to watch some paint drying.[/p][/quote]Can you see one jot of improvement under Woy?[/p][/quote]In a word...? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

9:50pm Wed 3 Sep 14

SaintinCanada says...

slugger wrote:
Sammy2sheds , where are you ? ........ Cooeee
The window has shut - now it's about performance. The rest of us are back.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: Sammy2sheds , where are you ? ........ Cooeee[/p][/quote]The window has shut - now it's about performance. The rest of us are back. SaintinCanada
  • Score: 6

9:56pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Chambers chatting about old times with Forren!
Chambers chatting about old times with Forren! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

9:56pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Rising_Son says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Anyone doing any decorating at the moment? I've got a sudden urge to watch some paint drying.
Can you see one jot of improvement under Woy?
And very badly applied paint too.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Anyone doing any decorating at the moment? I've got a sudden urge to watch some paint drying.[/p][/quote]Can you see one jot of improvement under Woy?[/p][/quote]And very badly applied paint too. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

10:00pm Wed 3 Sep 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Anyone doing any decorating at the moment? I've got a sudden urge to watch some paint drying.
Can you see one jot of improvement under Woy?
And very badly applied paint too.
Time to strip back and re-prep the surface!
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Anyone doing any decorating at the moment? I've got a sudden urge to watch some paint drying.[/p][/quote]Can you see one jot of improvement under Woy?[/p][/quote]And very badly applied paint too.[/p][/quote]Time to strip back and re-prep the surface! KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 3

10:03pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

England are woeful. Forren lost his man :)
England are woeful. Forren lost his man :) Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

10:15pm Wed 3 Sep 14

milton road says...

Just glad that the transfer window is shut and there are no more rumors about Schneiderlin and Rodriguez going, at least for awhile. hate international breaks
Just glad that the transfer window is shut and there are no more rumors about Schneiderlin and Rodriguez going, at least for awhile. hate international breaks milton road
  • Score: 5

10:17pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Pragmatist55 says...

This whole topic is just so boring. Who cares.???

It's just a game of football . Sheesh
This whole topic is just so boring. Who cares.??? It's just a game of football . Sheesh Pragmatist55
  • Score: 0

10:22pm Wed 3 Sep 14

bbb001 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
England are woeful. Forren lost his man :)
Has there ever been a more over rated player than Rooney, England always look and play better without him, well done Roy, making him captain only backs you into a corner when it comes to Mondays team selection
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: England are woeful. Forren lost his man :)[/p][/quote]Has there ever been a more over rated player than Rooney, England always look and play better without him, well done Roy, making him captain only backs you into a corner when it comes to Mondays team selection bbb001
  • Score: 4

10:23pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Pragmatist55 wrote:
This whole topic is just so boring. Who cares.???

It's just a game of football . Sheesh
It was football..but not as we know it.
[quote][p][bold]Pragmatist55[/bold] wrote: This whole topic is just so boring. Who cares.??? It's just a game of football . Sheesh[/p][/quote]It was football..but not as we know it. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 4

10:31pm Wed 3 Sep 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

bbb001 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
England are woeful. Forren lost his man :)
Has there ever been a more over rated player than Rooney, England always look and play better without him, well done Roy, making him captain only backs you into a corner when it comes to Mondays team selection
I can't figure out the reasoning behind subbing Lambert on in the 88th minute.... Roy did that in the WC too. Hardly enough time to do anything!
[quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: England are woeful. Forren lost his man :)[/p][/quote]Has there ever been a more over rated player than Rooney, England always look and play better without him, well done Roy, making him captain only backs you into a corner when it comes to Mondays team selection[/p][/quote]I can't figure out the reasoning behind subbing Lambert on in the 88th minute.... Roy did that in the WC too. Hardly enough time to do anything! KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 1

10:45pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
bbb001 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
England are woeful. Forren lost his man :)
Has there ever been a more over rated player than Rooney, England always look and play better without him, well done Roy, making him captain only backs you into a corner when it comes to Mondays team selection
I can't figure out the reasoning behind subbing Lambert on in the 88th minute.... Roy did that in the WC too. Hardly enough time to do anything!
It's pointless. I don't know why Lambert is in the squad. I don't say that because he left us but when he was first capped the hope was he'd make the WC squad, I don't think anyone expected him to go beyond that because of his age.

Rooney makes the team because we don't have anyone better but captain did seem a very strange decision!
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: England are woeful. Forren lost his man :)[/p][/quote]Has there ever been a more over rated player than Rooney, England always look and play better without him, well done Roy, making him captain only backs you into a corner when it comes to Mondays team selection[/p][/quote]I can't figure out the reasoning behind subbing Lambert on in the 88th minute.... Roy did that in the WC too. Hardly enough time to do anything![/p][/quote]It's pointless. I don't know why Lambert is in the squad. I don't say that because he left us but when he was first capped the hope was he'd make the WC squad, I don't think anyone expected him to go beyond that because of his age. Rooney makes the team because we don't have anyone better but captain did seem a very strange decision! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

11:03pm Wed 3 Sep 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
bbb001 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
England are woeful. Forren lost his man :)
Has there ever been a more over rated player than Rooney, England always look and play better without him, well done Roy, making him captain only backs you into a corner when it comes to Mondays team selection
I can't figure out the reasoning behind subbing Lambert on in the 88th minute.... Roy did that in the WC too. Hardly enough time to do anything!
It's pointless. I don't know why Lambert is in the squad. I don't say that because he left us but when he was first capped the hope was he'd make the WC squad, I don't think anyone expected him to go beyond that because of his age.

Rooney makes the team because we don't have anyone better but captain did seem a very strange decision!
Maybe Rooney has changed his tune, but in my opinion he seems a bit too hot headed to be captain.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: England are woeful. Forren lost his man :)[/p][/quote]Has there ever been a more over rated player than Rooney, England always look and play better without him, well done Roy, making him captain only backs you into a corner when it comes to Mondays team selection[/p][/quote]I can't figure out the reasoning behind subbing Lambert on in the 88th minute.... Roy did that in the WC too. Hardly enough time to do anything![/p][/quote]It's pointless. I don't know why Lambert is in the squad. I don't say that because he left us but when he was first capped the hope was he'd make the WC squad, I don't think anyone expected him to go beyond that because of his age. Rooney makes the team because we don't have anyone better but captain did seem a very strange decision![/p][/quote]Maybe Rooney has changed his tune, but in my opinion he seems a bit too hot headed to be captain. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 1

11:14pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Positively4thStreet says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
bbb001 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
England are woeful. Forren lost his man :)
Has there ever been a more over rated player than Rooney, England always look and play better without him, well done Roy, making him captain only backs you into a corner when it comes to Mondays team selection
I can't figure out the reasoning behind subbing Lambert on in the 88th minute.... Roy did that in the WC too. Hardly enough time to do anything!
It's pointless. I don't know why Lambert is in the squad. I don't say that because he left us but when he was first capped the hope was he'd make the WC squad, I don't think anyone expected him to go beyond that because of his age.

Rooney makes the team because we don't have anyone better but captain did seem a very strange decision!
Maybe Rooney has changed his tune, but in my opinion he seems a bit too hot headed to be captain.
That's his syrup. :0)
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: England are woeful. Forren lost his man :)[/p][/quote]Has there ever been a more over rated player than Rooney, England always look and play better without him, well done Roy, making him captain only backs you into a corner when it comes to Mondays team selection[/p][/quote]I can't figure out the reasoning behind subbing Lambert on in the 88th minute.... Roy did that in the WC too. Hardly enough time to do anything![/p][/quote]It's pointless. I don't know why Lambert is in the squad. I don't say that because he left us but when he was first capped the hope was he'd make the WC squad, I don't think anyone expected him to go beyond that because of his age. Rooney makes the team because we don't have anyone better but captain did seem a very strange decision![/p][/quote]Maybe Rooney has changed his tune, but in my opinion he seems a bit too hot headed to be captain.[/p][/quote]That's his syrup. :0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

11:24pm Wed 3 Sep 14

TPFKARTSNINZ says...

Confucious wrote:
TPFKARTSNINZ wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Is that THE Forren playing for Norway ie he who didn't get a game with us?
Yes Confucious, it is.

By the way, any dream updates?
I promised Jenifer I wouldn't dream and tell.
Spoilsport. I bet you scored less than Ingerlund.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TPFKARTSNINZ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Is that THE Forren playing for Norway ie he who didn't get a game with us?[/p][/quote]Yes Confucious, it is. By the way, any dream updates?[/p][/quote]I promised Jenifer I wouldn't dream and tell.[/p][/quote]Spoilsport. I bet you scored less than Ingerlund. TPFKARTSNINZ
  • Score: 0

11:41pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Positively4thStreet says...

TPFKARTSNINZ wrote:
Confucious wrote:
TPFKARTSNINZ wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Is that THE Forren playing for Norway ie he who didn't get a game with us?
Yes Confucious, it is.

By the way, any dream updates?
I promised Jenifer I wouldn't dream and tell.
Spoilsport. I bet you scored less than Ingerlund.
He only had one shot,but it went wide.
[quote][p][bold]TPFKARTSNINZ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TPFKARTSNINZ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Is that THE Forren playing for Norway ie he who didn't get a game with us?[/p][/quote]Yes Confucious, it is. By the way, any dream updates?[/p][/quote]I promised Jenifer I wouldn't dream and tell.[/p][/quote]Spoilsport. I bet you scored less than Ingerlund.[/p][/quote]He only had one shot,but it went wide. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

11:43pm Wed 3 Sep 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Maybe if Vanessa Huppenkothen was hired to be at sideline reporting for England, it might help rekindle interest and distract the opposition.
Maybe if Vanessa Huppenkothen was hired to be at sideline reporting for England, it might help rekindle interest and distract the opposition. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 2

12:36am Thu 4 Sep 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
bbb001 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
England are woeful. Forren lost his man :)
Has there ever been a more over rated player than Rooney, England always look and play better without him, well done Roy, making him captain only backs you into a corner when it comes to Mondays team selection
I can't figure out the reasoning behind subbing Lambert on in the 88th minute.... Roy did that in the WC too. Hardly enough time to do anything!
It's pointless. I don't know why Lambert is in the squad. I don't say that because he left us but when he was first capped the hope was he'd make the WC squad, I don't think anyone expected him to go beyond that because of his age.

Rooney makes the team because we don't have anyone better but captain did seem a very strange decision!
I didn't watch the game and have only just found out the result, a dull and uninspiring 1-0 win I believe.
The thing is that I didn't have to watch the game to disagree with you seed. Now I don't know what position shrek played but assume he was in the no. 10 role, if so then I believe that whilst he may be a bit of a headless chicken sterling is better than shrek in that role, especially if playing with sturidge. Liarlanna could also be better, though I accept he wasn't fit enough for tonight, wellbad or Lambert (again I agree his time has come and gone) could have played as a no.9 and sturidge could have played no.10.
If shrek played out wide then we have the ox who's better as is sterling, liarlanna and Theo, when fit, actually Theo could do a better job as no.10 than shrek.
I'm sorry but England have much better options in either position than shrek, who only gets picked because hes on £300k a week at manure. We again saw what playing for a big team can do for your England chances tonight with chambers call up. Was chambers called up as a CB or RB? If he was CB cover then he has played less than a handful of games in that position for arsenil and suddenly hes good enough for England, if he was RB cover then he hasn't played there this season as was deemed to be not as good as clyne, who has played as RB this season and has played really well. Lets not forget that for a while chambers was seen as a right midfielder by saints but Wenger thinks he knows better than 2 former international CB's and thats good enough for Roy!
I'm not having a go at chambers as I think he is an excellent prospect who could easily have been given a call up in the future, I am having a go at Roy and the England selection policy that thinks that if a player is a bench warmer for a big club they must be better than a player who plays week in week out for mid-table teams.
I watched Ramsay's hotel he'll, or whatever its called tonight, a program where Gordon Ramsay goes round to a failin
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: England are woeful. Forren lost his man :)[/p][/quote]Has there ever been a more over rated player than Rooney, England always look and play better without him, well done Roy, making him captain only backs you into a corner when it comes to Mondays team selection[/p][/quote]I can't figure out the reasoning behind subbing Lambert on in the 88th minute.... Roy did that in the WC too. Hardly enough time to do anything![/p][/quote]It's pointless. I don't know why Lambert is in the squad. I don't say that because he left us but when he was first capped the hope was he'd make the WC squad, I don't think anyone expected him to go beyond that because of his age. Rooney makes the team because we don't have anyone better but captain did seem a very strange decision![/p][/quote]I didn't watch the game and have only just found out the result, a dull and uninspiring 1-0 win I believe. The thing is that I didn't have to watch the game to disagree with you seed. Now I don't know what position shrek played but assume he was in the no. 10 role, if so then I believe that whilst he may be a bit of a headless chicken sterling is better than shrek in that role, especially if playing with sturidge. Liarlanna could also be better, though I accept he wasn't fit enough for tonight, wellbad or Lambert (again I agree his time has come and gone) could have played as a no.9 and sturidge could have played no.10. If shrek played out wide then we have the ox who's better as is sterling, liarlanna and Theo, when fit, actually Theo could do a better job as no.10 than shrek. I'm sorry but England have much better options in either position than shrek, who only gets picked because hes on £300k a week at manure. We again saw what playing for a big team can do for your England chances tonight with chambers call up. Was chambers called up as a CB or RB? If he was CB cover then he has played less than a handful of games in that position for arsenil and suddenly hes good enough for England, if he was RB cover then he hasn't played there this season as was deemed to be not as good as clyne, who has played as RB this season and has played really well. Lets not forget that for a while chambers was seen as a right midfielder by saints but Wenger thinks he knows better than 2 former international CB's and thats good enough for Roy! I'm not having a go at chambers as I think he is an excellent prospect who could easily have been given a call up in the future, I am having a go at Roy and the England selection policy that thinks that if a player is a bench warmer for a big club they must be better than a player who plays week in week out for mid-table teams. I watched Ramsay's hotel he'll, or whatever its called tonight, a program where Gordon Ramsay goes round to a failin de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 0

12:51am Thu 4 Sep 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
bbb001 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
England are woeful. Forren lost his man :)
Has there ever been a more over rated player than Rooney, England always look and play better without him, well done Roy, making him captain only backs you into a corner when it comes to Mondays team selection
I can't figure out the reasoning behind subbing Lambert on in the 88th minute.... Roy did that in the WC too. Hardly enough time to do anything!
It's pointless. I don't know why Lambert is in the squad. I don't say that because he left us but when he was first capped the hope was he'd make the WC squad, I don't think anyone expected him to go beyond that because of his age.

Rooney makes the team because we don't have anyone better but captain did seem a very strange decision!
I didn't watch the game and have only just found out the result, a dull and uninspiring 1-0 win I believe.
The thing is that I didn't have to watch the game to disagree with you seed. Now I don't know what position shrek played but assume he was in the no. 10 role, if so then I believe that whilst he may be a bit of a headless chicken sterling is better than shrek in that role, especially if playing with sturidge. Liarlanna could also be better, though I accept he wasn't fit enough for tonight, wellbad or Lambert (again I agree his time has come and gone) could have played as a no.9 and sturidge could have played no.10.
If shrek played out wide then we have the ox who's better as is sterling, liarlanna and Theo, when fit, actually Theo could do a better job as no.10 than shrek.
I'm sorry but England have much better options in either position than shrek, who only gets picked because hes on £300k a week at manure. We again saw what playing for a big team can do for your England chances tonight with chambers call up. Was chambers called up as a CB or RB? If he was CB cover then he has played less than a handful of games in that position for arsenil and suddenly hes good enough for England, if he was RB cover then he hasn't played there this season as was deemed to be not as good as clyne, who has played as RB this season and has played really well. Lets not forget that for a while chambers was seen as a right midfielder by saints but Wenger thinks he knows better than 2 former international CB's and thats good enough for Roy!
I'm not having a go at chambers as I think he is an excellent prospect who could easily have been given a call up in the future, I am having a go at Roy and the England selection policy that thinks that if a player is a bench warmer for a big club they must be better than a player who plays week in week out for mid-table teams.
I watched Ramsay's hotel he'll, or whatever its called tonight, a program where Gordon Ramsay goes round to a failin
(Don't know what happened there).
Cont.
Ramsay goes round to a failing us hotel and tells the owner/manager how to turn their business around. I was wondering if we could get him to go into the England setup and tell the suits in the fa where they are going wrong, in one epp. He got the owner to sack the incompetent manager, I would hope Roy would go the same way. My only worry after that Idaho they would then try to get to replace him, lvg from manure seems to be a media darling at the moment or would they go for Wenger? They wouldn't dream of employing a young up and coming manager like monk who is doing great at Swansea. They mint even go for old twitchy himself!
How many more fans have to stay away and how much further down the rankings do England have to drop before either Roy or the fa do the decent thing and put and end to this disgrace that our national game has become?

Sorry for the rant but surly a half full Wembley must give the fa a clue that we the paying public aren't happy, would love to see the viewing figures for the TV!
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: England are woeful. Forren lost his man :)[/p][/quote]Has there ever been a more over rated player than Rooney, England always look and play better without him, well done Roy, making him captain only backs you into a corner when it comes to Mondays team selection[/p][/quote]I can't figure out the reasoning behind subbing Lambert on in the 88th minute.... Roy did that in the WC too. Hardly enough time to do anything![/p][/quote]It's pointless. I don't know why Lambert is in the squad. I don't say that because he left us but when he was first capped the hope was he'd make the WC squad, I don't think anyone expected him to go beyond that because of his age. Rooney makes the team because we don't have anyone better but captain did seem a very strange decision![/p][/quote]I didn't watch the game and have only just found out the result, a dull and uninspiring 1-0 win I believe. The thing is that I didn't have to watch the game to disagree with you seed. Now I don't know what position shrek played but assume he was in the no. 10 role, if so then I believe that whilst he may be a bit of a headless chicken sterling is better than shrek in that role, especially if playing with sturidge. Liarlanna could also be better, though I accept he wasn't fit enough for tonight, wellbad or Lambert (again I agree his time has come and gone) could have played as a no.9 and sturidge could have played no.10. If shrek played out wide then we have the ox who's better as is sterling, liarlanna and Theo, when fit, actually Theo could do a better job as no.10 than shrek. I'm sorry but England have much better options in either position than shrek, who only gets picked because hes on £300k a week at manure. We again saw what playing for a big team can do for your England chances tonight with chambers call up. Was chambers called up as a CB or RB? If he was CB cover then he has played less than a handful of games in that position for arsenil and suddenly hes good enough for England, if he was RB cover then he hasn't played there this season as was deemed to be not as good as clyne, who has played as RB this season and has played really well. Lets not forget that for a while chambers was seen as a right midfielder by saints but Wenger thinks he knows better than 2 former international CB's and thats good enough for Roy! I'm not having a go at chambers as I think he is an excellent prospect who could easily have been given a call up in the future, I am having a go at Roy and the England selection policy that thinks that if a player is a bench warmer for a big club they must be better than a player who plays week in week out for mid-table teams. I watched Ramsay's hotel he'll, or whatever its called tonight, a program where Gordon Ramsay goes round to a failin[/p][/quote](Don't know what happened there). Cont. Ramsay goes round to a failing us hotel and tells the owner/manager how to turn their business around. I was wondering if we could get him to go into the England setup and tell the suits in the fa where they are going wrong, in one epp. He got the owner to sack the incompetent manager, I would hope Roy would go the same way. My only worry after that Idaho they would then try to get to replace him, lvg from manure seems to be a media darling at the moment or would they go for Wenger? They wouldn't dream of employing a young up and coming manager like monk who is doing great at Swansea. They mint even go for old twitchy himself! How many more fans have to stay away and how much further down the rankings do England have to drop before either Roy or the fa do the decent thing and put and end to this disgrace that our national game has become? Sorry for the rant but surly a half full Wembley must give the fa a clue that we the paying public aren't happy, would love to see the viewing figures for the TV! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 0

12:01pm Thu 4 Sep 14

miltonnroad76 says...

slugger wrote:
Sammy2sheds , where are you ? ........ Cooeee
Under another name too embarrassed after being made as foolish on here as in real life
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: Sammy2sheds , where are you ? ........ Cooeee[/p][/quote]Under another name too embarrassed after being made as foolish on here as in real life miltonnroad76
  • Score: 0

12:23pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Pragmatist55 says...

This football stuff is so boring. The manager and players make out like bandits on big money and all the muppets save up to afford a season ticket . They think they are somehow involved- WRONG . They are just the muppets who pay the wages for the guys at the top.

Get a life people.
This football stuff is so boring. The manager and players make out like bandits on big money and all the muppets save up to afford a season ticket . They think they are somehow involved- WRONG . They are just the muppets who pay the wages for the guys at the top. Get a life people. Pragmatist55
  • Score: 0

4:33pm Thu 4 Sep 14

st1halo says...

jls217 wrote:
http://www.foxsports

.com/soccer/lists/su

mmer-transfer-window

-2014-winners-and-lo

sers-chelsea-manches

ter-united-real-madr

id-barcelona-090214#

img_7

It seems Foxsports don't agree with all of us.
Try reading this instead.
WARNING: Best read in seclusion with a box of tissues handy!

http://bwinbetting.c
om/leagues/premier-l
eague/arsenals-welbe
ck-coup-spurs-window
s-losers,60644.html

STID
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: http://www.foxsports .com/soccer/lists/su mmer-transfer-window -2014-winners-and-lo sers-chelsea-manches ter-united-real-madr id-barcelona-090214# img_7 It seems Foxsports don't agree with all of us.[/p][/quote]Try reading this instead. WARNING: Best read in seclusion with a box of tissues handy! http://bwinbetting.c om/leagues/premier-l eague/arsenals-welbe ck-coup-spurs-window s-losers,60644.html STID st1halo
  • Score: 0

4:32pm Fri 5 Sep 14

bloke from bitterene park says...

jls217 wrote:
http://www.foxsports

.com/soccer/lists/su

mmer-transfer-window

-2014-winners-and-lo

sers-chelsea-manches

ter-united-real-madr

id-barcelona-090214#

img_7

It seems Foxsports don't agree with all of us.
they call football soccer though
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: http://www.foxsports .com/soccer/lists/su mmer-transfer-window -2014-winners-and-lo sers-chelsea-manches ter-united-real-madr id-barcelona-090214# img_7 It seems Foxsports don't agree with all of us.[/p][/quote]they call football soccer though bloke from bitterene park
  • Score: 0

6:14am Tue 9 Sep 14

Tirau Dan says...

None Shall Pass!

Forster
Alderweireld Fonte Gardos
Clyne Bertrand
Mane Cork Schneiderlin Tadic
Pelle

JWP Davis Yanyama Yoshida Isgrove Long Reed Davis/Boruc
Jayrod to come :)

Looks immense to me and well capable of shaking the upper branches COY orangie R
None Shall Pass! Forster Alderweireld Fonte Gardos Clyne Bertrand Mane Cork Schneiderlin Tadic Pelle JWP Davis Yanyama Yoshida Isgrove Long Reed Davis/Boruc Jayrod to come :) Looks immense to me and well capable of shaking the upper branches COY orangie R Tirau Dan
  • Score: 0
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