Graziano Pellè vows to find goal touch for Saints in Barclays Premier League

Graziano Pelle battles with West Brom’s Craig Dawson

Graziano Pelle battles with West Brom’s Craig Dawson

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Saints striker Graziano Pellè is enjoying the physical nature of the Premier League but knows he must improve if he’s to be a success.

Pellè arrived from Feyenoord in July with a prolific scoring record in the Dutch Eredivisie of 50 league goals in 57 appearances.

But in the two opening games of the Premier League season the towering 6ft 4inch frontman has failed to find the net and has, at times, looked frustrated and isolated in the Saints attack.

This isn’t something he is concerned about, however, and is working hard to improve. But most importantly for him, he wants the team to succeed.

“I want to always score,” said Pellè after Saints’ 0-0 draw with West Brom. “At least I wanted a win today (against the Baggies). I would be still happy if we’d won and I hadn’t scored.”

He was frustrated during the goalless draw and said: “They (West Brom) were compact, it was not easy.

“We had to try to find space, play a little bit quicker and be more aggressive when we got the chance. We have to improve.”

The Baggies match yielded few chances in front of goal for Pellè. But the 29-year-old is aware that the Premier League is a far different prospect to the competition he’s used to in the Netherlands.

“I knew already [that the Premier League would be tough] but, of course, the playing is different and I have to do more because I expect more from myself,” he said.

“I need to help my own game get better. We have to be better.”

The attacker, who made his league debut in the 2-1 defeat to Liverpool last week, made comparisons to his days in Rotterdam and at AZ Alkmaar. He said: “Of course, the defenders just go through to kick the ball [in England].

“In Holland they are different, they are playing defenders. They like to be together. They are attacking from the defence – here they are tougher. I like that and it shouldn’t be a problem for me to adapt.”

The former Lecce striker was keen to stress that he is bonding well with his new teammates and they are working hard to fuse together as a squad after a summer of transition at St Mary’s.

“Many players have arrived and already it is the beginning of the season,” he said.

“But we are working every day, every week, to try and find a good connection.

“We need to win the games now. We’re playing well but we’re not getting the points.

“We have to go again and hopefully get a win on Tuesday (against Millwall).”

It was Pellè’s first Premier League match at St Mary’s and the Italian enjoyed playing in front of the home fans.

“It’s a great experience for me,” he said. “It’s the best competition [the Premier League], but, today, I’m not happy because we didn’t win.”

Pellè arrived in mid-July, signing a three-year contract at Saints. He was widely seen as the obvious replacement for Rickie Lambert, who moved to Liverpool.

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10:54pm Sun 24 Aug 14

kingsaint76 says...

He is a powerful striker who needs feeding, at the moment he is not getting the opportunity to show his quality. He is not Lambert and should not be compared to him, as yet no sitters have been missed no major mistakes, just the support for him is not adequate and his abuse his premature!! JRod will make a difference and a more out and out winger, Ramirez needs to get fit as this could be his season. Let's not write this season off and let's get behind the lads!!
He is a powerful striker who needs feeding, at the moment he is not getting the opportunity to show his quality. He is not Lambert and should not be compared to him, as yet no sitters have been missed no major mistakes, just the support for him is not adequate and his abuse his premature!! JRod will make a difference and a more out and out winger, Ramirez needs to get fit as this could be his season. Let's not write this season off and let's get behind the lads!! kingsaint76
  • Score: 88

11:07pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Heathrowboy says...

He's Championship quality at best.
Simply not good enough.
He's Championship quality at best. Simply not good enough. Heathrowboy
  • Score: -138

11:21pm Sun 24 Aug 14

wizard says...

give the guy a chance! west brom came to defend, and we need to play to his strengths!
give the guy a chance! west brom came to defend, and we need to play to his strengths! wizard
  • Score: 82

11:22pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Kernowsaints says...

im a believer in give them a chance .unlike some
im a believer in give them a chance .unlike some Kernowsaints
  • Score: 63

11:24pm Sun 24 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Heathrowboy wrote:
He's Championship quality at best.
Simply not good enough.
As good as your judgement perhaps, stick to plane spotting!
[quote][p][bold]Heathrowboy[/bold] wrote: He's Championship quality at best. Simply not good enough.[/p][/quote]As good as your judgement perhaps, stick to plane spotting! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 64

11:42pm Sun 24 Aug 14

SnapperSaint says...

As I said on the other thread, give him the kind of service he can make something of and then see how he does, which I hope will come from some new signings.
Lobbing it forward to his head and expecting him to score when there are 4 defenders in front of him, or even expecting him to pass it to someone when the nearest player is out on the touchline, isn't really that fair a situation to judge him on...IMO
Let's hope he does come good because we really need him to and so does Ron, since he seems to be building the team around him in the lead position.
As I said on the other thread, give him the kind of service he can make something of and then see how he does, which I hope will come from some new signings. Lobbing it forward to his head and expecting him to score when there are 4 defenders in front of him, or even expecting him to pass it to someone when the nearest player is out on the touchline, isn't really that fair a situation to judge him on...IMO Let's hope he does come good because we really need him to and so does Ron, since he seems to be building the team around him in the lead position. SnapperSaint
  • Score: 46

12:02am Mon 25 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

I give him credit for taking it on the chin, while also admitting that success is a team effort. He comes across as a grounded guy with his statements. I hope he finds his feet and scores some goals like he did in the Eredivisie. Some phenomenal goals! It's understandable that some people who love the club have lost patience and want good results, but I have to admit that it is embarrassing being a Saints supporter and seeing him get written off so quickly. Sports people are meant to be able to handle pressure from the public but I would hope that we can alleviate what pressure is already there from rebuilding a fragmented squad by being a bit more forgiving during this transition which was going to be an uphill battle from the start.
I give him credit for taking it on the chin, while also admitting that success is a team effort. He comes across as a grounded guy with his statements. I hope he finds his feet and scores some goals like he did in the Eredivisie. Some phenomenal goals! It's understandable that some people who love the club have lost patience and want good results, but I have to admit that it is embarrassing being a Saints supporter and seeing him get written off so quickly. Sports people are meant to be able to handle pressure from the public but I would hope that we can alleviate what pressure is already there from rebuilding a fragmented squad by being a bit more forgiving during this transition which was going to be an uphill battle from the start. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 95

12:03am Mon 25 Aug 14

Sue from Oz says...

I'm a Saints fan of almost 40 years now living in Australia and watching every match on Foxtel. I'm really disappointed to hear that Saints fans were abusing Pelle in his second league game. That won't help the player who will lose confidence, the other players who will be unsettled or our great new manager who picked him. I'm ashamed of Saints fans who did that. Give the guy a chance or go and 'support' another team.
I'm a Saints fan of almost 40 years now living in Australia and watching every match on Foxtel. I'm really disappointed to hear that Saints fans were abusing Pelle in his second league game. That won't help the player who will lose confidence, the other players who will be unsettled or our great new manager who picked him. I'm ashamed of Saints fans who did that. Give the guy a chance or go and 'support' another team. Sue from Oz
  • Score: 132

12:15am Mon 25 Aug 14

upwherewebelong says...

Whilst I am concerned that Pelle didn't win many headers against West Brom I think the so called "fans" that are writing him off are being very irrational and intolerant. They need to ask themselves one simple question could they do better themselves ? if so then the follow up is why aren't they playing professional football ??????? Another question to the critics is did your employer expect you to be perfect from day 1 in your job or were you given an opportunity to settle and improve. In my opinion the more rational people recognise that a large portion of Pelles problem is a lack of service to him and Koemans tactics don't appear to be playing to his strengths so far. Give him at least 10 games before slamming the bloke.
Whilst I am concerned that Pelle didn't win many headers against West Brom I think the so called "fans" that are writing him off are being very irrational and intolerant. They need to ask themselves one simple question could they do better themselves ? if so then the follow up is why aren't they playing professional football ??????? Another question to the critics is did your employer expect you to be perfect from day 1 in your job or were you given an opportunity to settle and improve. In my opinion the more rational people recognise that a large portion of Pelles problem is a lack of service to him and Koemans tactics don't appear to be playing to his strengths so far. Give him at least 10 games before slamming the bloke. upwherewebelong
  • Score: 54

12:23am Mon 25 Aug 14

Heathrowboy says...

By your logic are you therefore implying in your post that you can do better than RK?
By your logic are you therefore implying in your post that you can do better than RK? Heathrowboy
  • Score: -11

12:33am Mon 25 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

On the bright side, we are still one place behind Man U like last year lol
On the bright side, we are still one place behind Man U like last year lol KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 40

12:55am Mon 25 Aug 14

GHamilton says...

Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since.

''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability.

If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier''

He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered.

So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??
Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since. ''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability. If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier'' He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered. So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out?? GHamilton
  • Score: -69

1:02am Mon 25 Aug 14

StHuey says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I give him credit for taking it on the chin, while also admitting that success is a team effort. He comes across as a grounded guy with his statements. I hope he finds his feet and scores some goals like he did in the Eredivisie. Some phenomenal goals! It's understandable that some people who love the club have lost patience and want good results, but I have to admit that it is embarrassing being a Saints supporter and seeing him get written off so quickly. Sports people are meant to be able to handle pressure from the public but I would hope that we can alleviate what pressure is already there from rebuilding a fragmented squad by being a bit more forgiving during this transition which was going to be an uphill battle from the start.
Bang on. He had a tough time on Saturday but he wasn't the only one. I didn't really hear any jeering of our Italian front man but I hope fellow fans barrack any that do.
The team's movement was poor and we lacked pace. But we all knew we had a difficult transition ahead and I think everyone got ahead of themselves after such a good showing at Anfield.
I'd love Pellè to have opened his account but without better balls to him it was always going to be tough.
Respect to him for his positive outlook and will to deliver for Saints. Let's hope RK is only too aware of what didn't work against WBA and can quickly change the team accordingly for similar defensive set ups that we face
Up The Saints
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I give him credit for taking it on the chin, while also admitting that success is a team effort. He comes across as a grounded guy with his statements. I hope he finds his feet and scores some goals like he did in the Eredivisie. Some phenomenal goals! It's understandable that some people who love the club have lost patience and want good results, but I have to admit that it is embarrassing being a Saints supporter and seeing him get written off so quickly. Sports people are meant to be able to handle pressure from the public but I would hope that we can alleviate what pressure is already there from rebuilding a fragmented squad by being a bit more forgiving during this transition which was going to be an uphill battle from the start.[/p][/quote]Bang on. He had a tough time on Saturday but he wasn't the only one. I didn't really hear any jeering of our Italian front man but I hope fellow fans barrack any that do. The team's movement was poor and we lacked pace. But we all knew we had a difficult transition ahead and I think everyone got ahead of themselves after such a good showing at Anfield. I'd love Pellè to have opened his account but without better balls to him it was always going to be tough. Respect to him for his positive outlook and will to deliver for Saints. Let's hope RK is only too aware of what didn't work against WBA and can quickly change the team accordingly for similar defensive set ups that we face Up The Saints StHuey
  • Score: 34

1:06am Mon 25 Aug 14

StHuey says...

Heathrowboy wrote:
He's Championship quality at best.
Simply not good enough.
If you really are a Saints fan, that I think is unlikely, then try seeing if you can provide a view that doesn't indicate the extent of your knowledge comes from reading the Sun
[quote][p][bold]Heathrowboy[/bold] wrote: He's Championship quality at best. Simply not good enough.[/p][/quote]If you really are a Saints fan, that I think is unlikely, then try seeing if you can provide a view that doesn't indicate the extent of your knowledge comes from reading the Sun StHuey
  • Score: 47

1:09am Mon 25 Aug 14

StHuey says...

GHamilton wrote:
Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since.

''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability.

If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier''

He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered.

So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??
Errr, more than 2 games? And in the case of Long, assuming that that is who you are referring to as the other striker in your appraisal, more than 40 minutes.
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since. ''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability. If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier'' He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered. So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??[/p][/quote]Errr, more than 2 games? And in the case of Long, assuming that that is who you are referring to as the other striker in your appraisal, more than 40 minutes. StHuey
  • Score: 39

1:34am Mon 25 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

GHamilton wrote:
Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since.

''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability.

If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier''

He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered.

So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??
I'm by no means a football expert, But those players you listed were definately a cut above your average footballer. While some players are naturally more gifted in terms of vision and instinct, I agree with your number one point, however I would also believe that empathy between the layers of defense, midfield and attack in order to build up attacking play culminating in goals, requires some time to develop with the team playing together, generating the instinctive runs and passes that rip the opposition to shreds. It doesn't take a football genius to be present in front of goal waiting for a rebound or defensive error trying to clear the ball while under pressure.
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since. ''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability. If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier'' He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered. So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??[/p][/quote]I'm by no means a football expert, But those players you listed were definately a cut above your average footballer. While some players are naturally more gifted in terms of vision and instinct, I agree with your number one point, however I would also believe that empathy between the layers of defense, midfield and attack in order to build up attacking play culminating in goals, requires some time to develop with the team playing together, generating the instinctive runs and passes that rip the opposition to shreds. It doesn't take a football genius to be present in front of goal waiting for a rebound or defensive error trying to clear the ball while under pressure. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 11

1:36am Mon 25 Aug 14

GHamilton says...

St Huey, I have to confess that I was guilty of being dissapointed at the signing of Shane Long, my assessent of him does n't come from only forty minutes, I have seen him plenty of times before. I was reffering to the two game we have played as a team; so far our only goal has come from a defender....not generaly what their employed for. I hope both Long an Pelle come good, I hope they prove me and others completely wrong....it would be nice to see them both score in our next league match, nice but as things stand....unlikely. And that is only my opinion, thats all it is.
St Huey, I have to confess that I was guilty of being dissapointed at the signing of Shane Long, my assessent of him does n't come from only forty minutes, I have seen him plenty of times before. I was reffering to the two game we have played as a team; so far our only goal has come from a defender....not generaly what their employed for. I hope both Long an Pelle come good, I hope they prove me and others completely wrong....it would be nice to see them both score in our next league match, nice but as things stand....unlikely. And that is only my opinion, thats all it is. GHamilton
  • Score: 7

1:46am Mon 25 Aug 14

deepheat says...

I have no idea what this Saints team is capable of.
It is both exciting and terrifying at the same time.
Bring it on.
I have no idea what this Saints team is capable of. It is both exciting and terrifying at the same time. Bring it on. deepheat
  • Score: 39

1:50am Mon 25 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

deepheat wrote:
I have no idea what this Saints team is capable of.
It is both exciting and terrifying at the same time.
Bring it on.
Too right, that may explain why so many people are unsettled.
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: I have no idea what this Saints team is capable of. It is both exciting and terrifying at the same time. Bring it on.[/p][/quote]Too right, that may explain why so many people are unsettled. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 18

1:51am Mon 25 Aug 14

GHamilton says...

Your right Kiwi, it's going to take more than two games for the players to gel and get to know how each other games. Yes I think those players were a cut above the average footballer, but the coach was 't telling us how to become average players, he was referring to what it takes to be a top goalscorer. I guess I would settle for someone midway between a Dennis Law....and a Bobby Zamora.......lol
Your right Kiwi, it's going to take more than two games for the players to gel and get to know how each other games. Yes I think those players were a cut above the average footballer, but the coach was 't telling us how to become average players, he was referring to what it takes to be a top goalscorer. I guess I would settle for someone midway between a Dennis Law....and a Bobby Zamora.......lol GHamilton
  • Score: 3

2:29am Mon 25 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

GHamilton wrote:
Your right Kiwi, it's going to take more than two games for the players to gel and get to know how each other games. Yes I think those players were a cut above the average footballer, but the coach was 't telling us how to become average players, he was referring to what it takes to be a top goalscorer. I guess I would settle for someone midway between a Dennis Law....and a Bobby Zamora.......lol
Obviously it's easy for me to say, being an average joe, If I was blessed enough to be gods gift to football I would much happier as a player leaving my mark becoming an immortalised legend playing out my career at a club like Saints rather than selling out to the big guns at the first sign of extraordinary skills. Sort of like Puskas or Maradonna at Napoli, without the arrogance of expecting Italian fans to support Argentina during a World Cup instead of their own country during a match of the two teams lol.
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: Your right Kiwi, it's going to take more than two games for the players to gel and get to know how each other games. Yes I think those players were a cut above the average footballer, but the coach was 't telling us how to become average players, he was referring to what it takes to be a top goalscorer. I guess I would settle for someone midway between a Dennis Law....and a Bobby Zamora.......lol[/p][/quote]Obviously it's easy for me to say, being an average joe, If I was blessed enough to be gods gift to football I would much happier as a player leaving my mark becoming an immortalised legend playing out my career at a club like Saints rather than selling out to the big guns at the first sign of extraordinary skills. Sort of like Puskas or Maradonna at Napoli, without the arrogance of expecting Italian fans to support Argentina during a World Cup instead of their own country during a match of the two teams lol. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 8

4:38am Mon 25 Aug 14

singapore saint84 says...

I remember people saying jay rod wasnt good enough when he signed from burnley....same goes for wanyama...bottom line is...give them at least a season before we can really judge them...hopefully they will improve
I remember people saying jay rod wasnt good enough when he signed from burnley....same goes for wanyama...bottom line is...give them at least a season before we can really judge them...hopefully they will improve singapore saint84
  • Score: 34

5:21am Mon 25 Aug 14

nomorerumours says...

Heathrowboy wrote:
He's Championship quality at best.
Simply not good enough.
If you were a judge, I certainly would not want you at my trial! How on earth can you jump to this conclusion after only 2 games? Pelle needs game time and will rapidly adapt to the EPL. He is a 20+ per season striker for us and will provide an equal number of assists. The Tadic cross and Pelle finish will become feared by all opposition sides. The team is still going through the gelling process. There have been encouraging glimpses of quality from all the players, including Pelle. RonKo will get the best out of them. So, just be patient. You can pass judgement after a few months not right now. Meanwhile, Saints fans need to back and support all our players.
[quote][p][bold]Heathrowboy[/bold] wrote: He's Championship quality at best. Simply not good enough.[/p][/quote]If you were a judge, I certainly would not want you at my trial! How on earth can you jump to this conclusion after only 2 games? Pelle needs game time and will rapidly adapt to the EPL. He is a 20+ per season striker for us and will provide an equal number of assists. The Tadic cross and Pelle finish will become feared by all opposition sides. The team is still going through the gelling process. There have been encouraging glimpses of quality from all the players, including Pelle. RonKo will get the best out of them. So, just be patient. You can pass judgement after a few months not right now. Meanwhile, Saints fans need to back and support all our players. nomorerumours
  • Score: 44

6:09am Mon 25 Aug 14

cebu blue says...

Heathrowboy wrote:
He's Championship quality at best.
Simply not good enough.
'Heathrow' knows a duff signing when sees one.

Well spotted. Saints are looking for a decent scout that can tell the difference between a carthorse and thoroughbred, so why not
put your name down.
[quote][p][bold]Heathrowboy[/bold] wrote: He's Championship quality at best. Simply not good enough.[/p][/quote]'Heathrow' knows a duff signing when sees one. Well spotted. Saints are looking for a decent scout that can tell the difference between a carthorse and thoroughbred, so why not put your name down. cebu blue
  • Score: -25

6:59am Mon 25 Aug 14

mickey01 says...

I would put pelle on the bench next match start with long if going down the one striker route and then bring pelle on later to see how hungry he really is
I would put pelle on the bench next match start with long if going down the one striker route and then bring pelle on later to see how hungry he really is mickey01
  • Score: -6

7:24am Mon 25 Aug 14

jls217 says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
Whilst I am concerned that Pelle didn't win many headers against West Brom I think the so called "fans" that are writing him off are being very irrational and intolerant. They need to ask themselves one simple question could they do better themselves ? if so then the follow up is why aren't they playing professional football ??????? Another question to the critics is did your employer expect you to be perfect from day 1 in your job or were you given an opportunity to settle and improve. In my opinion the more rational people recognise that a large portion of Pelles problem is a lack of service to him and Koemans tactics don't appear to be playing to his strengths so far. Give him at least 10 games before slamming the bloke.
Irrational and intolerant - thanks mate. There has been a huge outbreak of this on here since before the world cup.

Will he eventually come good? No way of knowing unless we give the bloke a fair crack of the whip, there are those who just seem to get over emotional, irrational and say the first thing that comes into their underdeveloped heads. Thanks for restoring the balance somewhat.
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: Whilst I am concerned that Pelle didn't win many headers against West Brom I think the so called "fans" that are writing him off are being very irrational and intolerant. They need to ask themselves one simple question could they do better themselves ? if so then the follow up is why aren't they playing professional football ??????? Another question to the critics is did your employer expect you to be perfect from day 1 in your job or were you given an opportunity to settle and improve. In my opinion the more rational people recognise that a large portion of Pelles problem is a lack of service to him and Koemans tactics don't appear to be playing to his strengths so far. Give him at least 10 games before slamming the bloke.[/p][/quote]Irrational and intolerant - thanks mate. There has been a huge outbreak of this on here since before the world cup. Will he eventually come good? No way of knowing unless we give the bloke a fair crack of the whip, there are those who just seem to get over emotional, irrational and say the first thing that comes into their underdeveloped heads. Thanks for restoring the balance somewhat. jls217
  • Score: 19

7:30am Mon 25 Aug 14

jls217 says...

GHamilton wrote:
Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since.

''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability.

If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier''

He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered.

So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??
As long as it takes for them to meet that criterion or for us to earn the money to replace them. Either way you're going to have to display a great deal of patience and stick to what those like me and you who are crap at playing can do best - make the choice to encourage the players or to discourage the players. I've never needed a coach or anyone else to tell me that the best results always comes from encouragement - humbly suggest you never forget that one too.
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since. ''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability. If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier'' He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered. So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??[/p][/quote]As long as it takes for them to meet that criterion or for us to earn the money to replace them. Either way you're going to have to display a great deal of patience and stick to what those like me and you who are crap at playing can do best - make the choice to encourage the players or to discourage the players. I've never needed a coach or anyone else to tell me that the best results always comes from encouragement - humbly suggest you never forget that one too. jls217
  • Score: 7

8:00am Mon 25 Aug 14

saintbobby says...

I think most here are being fair and saying those who are criticising after just 2 games are way off the pitch.

UPWHEREWEBELONG gets it right, asking how you would feel in a new job if the boss said after just 2 days, that you were not up to it. I bet you would think that would not be fair.

This guy is a pick of RK who knew his ability previously. If he is such a good manager, and he certainly looks switched on, then I bet he is not over bothered right now. A new player has to settle in to a team and the team has to adjust to new players as well, simples!

Ten games might still not resolve all playing problems, but it has to be the very least period we should give everyone to show us what they can do.

A bigger frustration generally is that we have Manure spending more than the Bank of England, and now willing to spend £60 million on another player. Saints et al cannot do that, will not do that and I believe, according to financial rules, are not even allowed to do that. Now that IS something to moan about.
I think most here are being fair and saying those who are criticising after just 2 games are way off the pitch. UPWHEREWEBELONG gets it right, asking how you would feel in a new job if the boss said after just 2 days, that you were not up to it. I bet you would think that would not be fair. This guy is a pick of RK who knew his ability previously. If he is such a good manager, and he certainly looks switched on, then I bet he is not over bothered right now. A new player has to settle in to a team and the team has to adjust to new players as well, simples! Ten games might still not resolve all playing problems, but it has to be the very least period we should give everyone to show us what they can do. A bigger frustration generally is that we have Manure spending more than the Bank of England, and now willing to spend £60 million on another player. Saints et al cannot do that, will not do that and I believe, according to financial rules, are not even allowed to do that. Now that IS something to moan about. saintbobby
  • Score: 13

8:11am Mon 25 Aug 14

Dave Juson says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
GHamilton wrote:
Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since.

''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability.

If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier''

He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered.

So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??
I'm by no means a football expert, But those players you listed were definately a cut above your average footballer. While some players are naturally more gifted in terms of vision and instinct, I agree with your number one point, however I would also believe that empathy between the layers of defense, midfield and attack in order to build up attacking play culminating in goals, requires some time to develop with the team playing together, generating the instinctive runs and passes that rip the opposition to shreds. It doesn't take a football genius to be present in front of goal waiting for a rebound or defensive error trying to clear the ball while under pressure.
If you are not a football expert, what on earth brings you to believe that you can make a contribution to this debate?
Isn’t it obvious that, with the exception of the odd Pompey supporter wishing to create mischief, everyone who posts on the Saints’ related forums on this website is a bona fide “real football man” and everyone of them has forgotten more about the beautiful game than anyone who has been associated with Southampton Football Club since the millennium will ever know?
What they are doing on here is the mystery, surely they should be telling Katharina Liebherr (who is probably very happy she is not a “real football man”) how to run the club, not each other?
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since. ''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability. If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier'' He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered. So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??[/p][/quote]I'm by no means a football expert, But those players you listed were definately a cut above your average footballer. While some players are naturally more gifted in terms of vision and instinct, I agree with your number one point, however I would also believe that empathy between the layers of defense, midfield and attack in order to build up attacking play culminating in goals, requires some time to develop with the team playing together, generating the instinctive runs and passes that rip the opposition to shreds. It doesn't take a football genius to be present in front of goal waiting for a rebound or defensive error trying to clear the ball while under pressure.[/p][/quote]If you are not a football expert, what on earth brings you to believe that you can make a contribution to this debate? Isn’t it obvious that, with the exception of the odd Pompey supporter wishing to create mischief, everyone who posts on the Saints’ related forums on this website is a bona fide “real football man” and everyone of them has forgotten more about the beautiful game than anyone who has been associated with Southampton Football Club since the millennium will ever know? What they are doing on here is the mystery, surely they should be telling Katharina Liebherr (who is probably very happy she is not a “real football man”) how to run the club, not each other? Dave Juson
  • Score: 0

8:12am Mon 25 Aug 14

deadly666 says...

I hope that Koeman uses the Milwall game as an opportunity to get the team to gel by sticking with the same side and squad that played West Brom. Let the players get used to each other more.

I'm sure that a good cup tie against a side who will fancy a premier league scalp will do them the world of good.

let's hope Pelle plays and scores to give his confidence a boost.

I cannot understand why some want to slate the players two games into the season.

COYR
I hope that Koeman uses the Milwall game as an opportunity to get the team to gel by sticking with the same side and squad that played West Brom. Let the players get used to each other more. I'm sure that a good cup tie against a side who will fancy a premier league scalp will do them the world of good. let's hope Pelle plays and scores to give his confidence a boost. I cannot understand why some want to slate the players two games into the season. COYR deadly666
  • Score: 21

8:23am Mon 25 Aug 14

donni1437 says...

Good luck to Pelle in sticking it to the boo boys, absolute disgrace if any fans did boo him or the team.
Good luck to Pelle in sticking it to the boo boys, absolute disgrace if any fans did boo him or the team. donni1437
  • Score: 27

8:37am Mon 25 Aug 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

GHamilton wrote:
Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since.

''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability.

If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier''

He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered.

So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??
Well, that's why you were never a top striker
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since. ''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability. If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier'' He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered. So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??[/p][/quote]Well, that's why you were never a top striker Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 7

8:47am Mon 25 Aug 14

wellow saint says...

Clearly nobody should be having a go at Pelle during the games, however you have to realistic . He has looked slow and appears not to have a great touch. Whilst it is early days, to me he looks out of his depth,just like Guly did in the Premiership. I think we are going to struggle this season because where are the goals coming from ?
Clearly nobody should be having a go at Pelle during the games, however you have to realistic . He has looked slow and appears not to have a great touch. Whilst it is early days, to me he looks out of his depth,just like Guly did in the Premiership. I think we are going to struggle this season because where are the goals coming from ? wellow saint
  • Score: -8

8:57am Mon 25 Aug 14

donni1437 says...

GHamilton wrote:
Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since.

''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability.

If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier''

He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered.

So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??
Those goalscorers you mention all played in amazing teams and in today's market would be £50m+ so a little unfair to compare them to our strike force. Saying that I think RK will look at creating better chances for Pelle et al.
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since. ''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability. If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier'' He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered. So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??[/p][/quote]Those goalscorers you mention all played in amazing teams and in today's market would be £50m+ so a little unfair to compare them to our strike force. Saying that I think RK will look at creating better chances for Pelle et al. donni1437
  • Score: 4

9:01am Mon 25 Aug 14

wellow saint says...

donni1437 wrote:
Good luck to Pelle in sticking it to the boo boys, absolute disgrace if any fans did boo him or the team.
Agree should notB be getting on at him, however looks out of his depth and while it is early days, Guly looked the same from day 1 in the prem and never got better.
[quote][p][bold]donni1437[/bold] wrote: Good luck to Pelle in sticking it to the boo boys, absolute disgrace if any fans did boo him or the team.[/p][/quote]Agree should notB be getting on at him, however looks out of his depth and while it is early days, Guly looked the same from day 1 in the prem and never got better. wellow saint
  • Score: -4

9:04am Mon 25 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

cebu blue wrote:
Heathrowboy wrote:
He's Championship quality at best.
Simply not good enough.
'Heathrow' knows a duff signing when sees one.

Well spotted. Saints are looking for a decent scout that can tell the difference between a carthorse and thoroughbred, so why not
put your name down.
Probably right there. He should take a visit to Nottarf. The task there is much more difficult. He would have the impossible task of trying spot a player who has an ounce of talent. When he can't find one he should see if he can spot a player with a contract of more than a month.
[quote][p][bold]cebu blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Heathrowboy[/bold] wrote: He's Championship quality at best. Simply not good enough.[/p][/quote]'Heathrow' knows a duff signing when sees one. Well spotted. Saints are looking for a decent scout that can tell the difference between a carthorse and thoroughbred, so why not put your name down.[/p][/quote]Probably right there. He should take a visit to Nottarf. The task there is much more difficult. He would have the impossible task of trying spot a player who has an ounce of talent. When he can't find one he should see if he can spot a player with a contract of more than a month. Clever Dick
  • Score: 3

9:09am Mon 25 Aug 14

Dorssaints says...

Whilst I was only in the Chapel I heard no boo boys. I think Pelle was overawed being his first home game. To b honest he was a ideal striker for the big Baggies defenders. They would have hated Long. Playing just one striker was always going to be a problem. On wads and upwards ! COYR
Whilst I was only in the Chapel I heard no boo boys. I think Pelle was overawed being his first home game. To b honest he was a ideal striker for the big Baggies defenders. They would have hated Long. Playing just one striker was always going to be a problem. On wads and upwards ! COYR Dorssaints
  • Score: 7

9:12am Mon 25 Aug 14

wellow saint says...

kingsaint76 wrote:
He is a powerful striker who needs feeding, at the moment he is not getting the opportunity to show his quality. He is not Lambert and should not be compared to him, as yet no sitters have been missed no major mistakes, just the support for him is not adequate and his abuse his premature!! JRod will make a difference and a more out and out winger, Ramirez needs to get fit as this could be his season. Let's not write this season off and let's get behind the lads!!
Agree with you that he has not missed and sitters and it is early days. My worry is he does already look off the pace and whilst this may change,it never did for Guly who from day 1 in the prem looked out of his depth. Jay will make a big difference, but who will score the goals until then,how many from Long ?
[quote][p][bold]kingsaint76[/bold] wrote: He is a powerful striker who needs feeding, at the moment he is not getting the opportunity to show his quality. He is not Lambert and should not be compared to him, as yet no sitters have been missed no major mistakes, just the support for him is not adequate and his abuse his premature!! JRod will make a difference and a more out and out winger, Ramirez needs to get fit as this could be his season. Let's not write this season off and let's get behind the lads!![/p][/quote]Agree with you that he has not missed and sitters and it is early days. My worry is he does already look off the pace and whilst this may change,it never did for Guly who from day 1 in the prem looked out of his depth. Jay will make a big difference, but who will score the goals until then,how many from Long ? wellow saint
  • Score: -3

9:12am Mon 25 Aug 14

wellow saint says...

kingsaint76 wrote:
He is a powerful striker who needs feeding, at the moment he is not getting the opportunity to show his quality. He is not Lambert and should not be compared to him, as yet no sitters have been missed no major mistakes, just the support for him is not adequate and his abuse his premature!! JRod will make a difference and a more out and out winger, Ramirez needs to get fit as this could be his season. Let's not write this season off and let's get behind the lads!!
Agree with you that he has not missed and sitters and it is early days. My worry is he does already look off the pace and whilst this may change,it never did for Guly who from day 1 in the prem looked out of his depth. Jay will make a big difference, but who will score the goals until then,how many from Long ?
[quote][p][bold]kingsaint76[/bold] wrote: He is a powerful striker who needs feeding, at the moment he is not getting the opportunity to show his quality. He is not Lambert and should not be compared to him, as yet no sitters have been missed no major mistakes, just the support for him is not adequate and his abuse his premature!! JRod will make a difference and a more out and out winger, Ramirez needs to get fit as this could be his season. Let's not write this season off and let's get behind the lads!![/p][/quote]Agree with you that he has not missed and sitters and it is early days. My worry is he does already look off the pace and whilst this may change,it never did for Guly who from day 1 in the prem looked out of his depth. Jay will make a big difference, but who will score the goals until then,how many from Long ? wellow saint
  • Score: -3

9:12am Mon 25 Aug 14

donni1437 says...

GHamilton wrote:
Your right Kiwi, it's going to take more than two games for the players to gel and get to know how each other games. Yes I think those players were a cut above the average footballer, but the coach was 't telling us how to become average players, he was referring to what it takes to be a top goalscorer. I guess I would settle for someone midway between a Dennis Law....and a Bobby Zamora.......lol
And that's what we have, be patient.
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: Your right Kiwi, it's going to take more than two games for the players to gel and get to know how each other games. Yes I think those players were a cut above the average footballer, but the coach was 't telling us how to become average players, he was referring to what it takes to be a top goalscorer. I guess I would settle for someone midway between a Dennis Law....and a Bobby Zamora.......lol[/p][/quote]And that's what we have, be patient. donni1437
  • Score: 6

9:33am Mon 25 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Dave Juson wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
GHamilton wrote:
Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since.

''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability.

If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier''

He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered.

So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??
I'm by no means a football expert, But those players you listed were definately a cut above your average footballer. While some players are naturally more gifted in terms of vision and instinct, I agree with your number one point, however I would also believe that empathy between the layers of defense, midfield and attack in order to build up attacking play culminating in goals, requires some time to develop with the team playing together, generating the instinctive runs and passes that rip the opposition to shreds. It doesn't take a football genius to be present in front of goal waiting for a rebound or defensive error trying to clear the ball while under pressure.
If you are not a football expert, what on earth brings you to believe that you can make a contribution to this debate?
Isn’t it obvious that, with the exception of the odd Pompey supporter wishing to create mischief, everyone who posts on the Saints’ related forums on this website is a bona fide “real football man” and everyone of them has forgotten more about the beautiful game than anyone who has been associated with Southampton Football Club since the millennium will ever know?
What they are doing on here is the mystery, surely they should be telling Katharina Liebherr (who is probably very happy she is not a “real football man”) how to run the club, not each other?
Sorry so are you saying by replying with that answer that you are a football expert because you posted on this forum? If I was a football expert, I wouldn't need to be debating football tactics here, I'd be working for the club. I was just calling it from my humble experience playing and reading about football. G made some good points but I was taught about the value of team play because world class footballers were in short supply at club level in NZ at the time.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since. ''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability. If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier'' He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered. So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??[/p][/quote]I'm by no means a football expert, But those players you listed were definately a cut above your average footballer. While some players are naturally more gifted in terms of vision and instinct, I agree with your number one point, however I would also believe that empathy between the layers of defense, midfield and attack in order to build up attacking play culminating in goals, requires some time to develop with the team playing together, generating the instinctive runs and passes that rip the opposition to shreds. It doesn't take a football genius to be present in front of goal waiting for a rebound or defensive error trying to clear the ball while under pressure.[/p][/quote]If you are not a football expert, what on earth brings you to believe that you can make a contribution to this debate? Isn’t it obvious that, with the exception of the odd Pompey supporter wishing to create mischief, everyone who posts on the Saints’ related forums on this website is a bona fide “real football man” and everyone of them has forgotten more about the beautiful game than anyone who has been associated with Southampton Football Club since the millennium will ever know? What they are doing on here is the mystery, surely they should be telling Katharina Liebherr (who is probably very happy she is not a “real football man”) how to run the club, not each other?[/p][/quote]Sorry so are you saying by replying with that answer that you are a football expert because you posted on this forum? If I was a football expert, I wouldn't need to be debating football tactics here, I'd be working for the club. I was just calling it from my humble experience playing and reading about football. G made some good points but I was taught about the value of team play because world class footballers were in short supply at club level in NZ at the time. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 1

9:53am Mon 25 Aug 14

SnapperSaint says...

Snr Pelle, if you're reading this (hope you're not) ignore the Skates and WUMs and I think you will see that the majority of real Saints fans are going to try and be patient for the sake of the team they love!
Good luck, we're right behind you!
Snr Pelle, if you're reading this (hope you're not) ignore the Skates and WUMs and I think you will see that the majority of real Saints fans are going to try and be patient for the sake of the team they love! Good luck, we're right behind you! SnapperSaint
  • Score: 12

9:55am Mon 25 Aug 14

redsnapper says...

Give the lad a break. He is not another Osvaldo and will deliver once he gets more and decent crosses. Either Townsend or Redmond should do the trick.

Reading through Saturdays programme every was saying the right things but no one delivered, particularly Captain Fonte needs to up his game, improve his passing accuracy and stop passing sideways all the time.
Give the lad a break. He is not another Osvaldo and will deliver once he gets more and decent crosses. Either Townsend or Redmond should do the trick. Reading through Saturdays programme every was saying the right things but no one delivered, particularly Captain Fonte needs to up his game, improve his passing accuracy and stop passing sideways all the time. redsnapper
  • Score: 2

9:55am Mon 25 Aug 14

st.athan saint says...

Remy's not going to stay at Fulham is he ? and if a really big side wanted him he'd have surely gone by now.Pelle ? give him time - thought his second touch was better on saturday !! Remember J Rod wasn't best when he first arrived.
Remy's not going to stay at Fulham is he ? and if a really big side wanted him he'd have surely gone by now.Pelle ? give him time - thought his second touch was better on saturday !! Remember J Rod wasn't best when he first arrived. st.athan saint
  • Score: 4

10:19am Mon 25 Aug 14

Dave Juson says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
GHamilton wrote:
Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since.

''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability.

If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier''

He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered.

So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??
I'm by no means a football expert, But those players you listed were definately a cut above your average footballer. While some players are naturally more gifted in terms of vision and instinct, I agree with your number one point, however I would also believe that empathy between the layers of defense, midfield and attack in order to build up attacking play culminating in goals, requires some time to develop with the team playing together, generating the instinctive runs and passes that rip the opposition to shreds. It doesn't take a football genius to be present in front of goal waiting for a rebound or defensive error trying to clear the ball while under pressure.
If you are not a football expert, what on earth brings you to believe that you can make a contribution to this debate?
Isn’t it obvious that, with the exception of the odd Pompey supporter wishing to create mischief, everyone who posts on the Saints’ related forums on this website is a bona fide “real football man” and everyone of them has forgotten more about the beautiful game than anyone who has been associated with Southampton Football Club since the millennium will ever know?
What they are doing on here is the mystery, surely they should be telling Katharina Liebherr (who is probably very happy she is not a “real football man”) how to run the club, not each other?
Sorry so are you saying by replying with that answer that you are a football expert because you posted on this forum? If I was a football expert, I wouldn't need to be debating football tactics here, I'd be working for the club. I was just calling it from my humble experience playing and reading about football. G made some good points but I was taught about the value of team play because world class footballers were in short supply at club level in NZ at the time.
No, I was pointing out that, you, like me, are out of your depth. You are attempting to educate people about a game in which they have long been versed beyond the point they can be educated.
Let me explain, imagine you have a BSc in astronomy and you meet a bloke in a pub who is twenty or more years older than you and not only believes the world is flat but has gone to the edge a few times and looked into the void below. Of course he is going to find you laughable.
“Real football men” have been there and done that and there is nothing we can teach them. Take comfort in the fact that there is nothing that Mauricio Pochettino or Ronald Koeman can teach them either. If they thought they could they would be posting on this site as well.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since. ''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability. If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier'' He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered. So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??[/p][/quote]I'm by no means a football expert, But those players you listed were definately a cut above your average footballer. While some players are naturally more gifted in terms of vision and instinct, I agree with your number one point, however I would also believe that empathy between the layers of defense, midfield and attack in order to build up attacking play culminating in goals, requires some time to develop with the team playing together, generating the instinctive runs and passes that rip the opposition to shreds. It doesn't take a football genius to be present in front of goal waiting for a rebound or defensive error trying to clear the ball while under pressure.[/p][/quote]If you are not a football expert, what on earth brings you to believe that you can make a contribution to this debate? Isn’t it obvious that, with the exception of the odd Pompey supporter wishing to create mischief, everyone who posts on the Saints’ related forums on this website is a bona fide “real football man” and everyone of them has forgotten more about the beautiful game than anyone who has been associated with Southampton Football Club since the millennium will ever know? What they are doing on here is the mystery, surely they should be telling Katharina Liebherr (who is probably very happy she is not a “real football man”) how to run the club, not each other?[/p][/quote]Sorry so are you saying by replying with that answer that you are a football expert because you posted on this forum? If I was a football expert, I wouldn't need to be debating football tactics here, I'd be working for the club. I was just calling it from my humble experience playing and reading about football. G made some good points but I was taught about the value of team play because world class footballers were in short supply at club level in NZ at the time.[/p][/quote]No, I was pointing out that, you, like me, are out of your depth. You are attempting to educate people about a game in which they have long been versed beyond the point they can be educated. Let me explain, imagine you have a BSc in astronomy and you meet a bloke in a pub who is twenty or more years older than you and not only believes the world is flat but has gone to the edge a few times and looked into the void below. Of course he is going to find you laughable. “Real football men” have been there and done that and there is nothing we can teach them. Take comfort in the fact that there is nothing that Mauricio Pochettino or Ronald Koeman can teach them either. If they thought they could they would be posting on this site as well. Dave Juson
  • Score: 1

10:31am Mon 25 Aug 14

Confucious says...

After a long and troublesome closed season it's difficult to be patient - but of course we must do so and stick behind the team as it develops. Otherwise it's like continuously pulling a new plant out of the ground to debate whether the roots are growing.
After a long and troublesome closed season it's difficult to be patient - but of course we must do so and stick behind the team as it develops. Otherwise it's like continuously pulling a new plant out of the ground to debate whether the roots are growing. Confucious
  • Score: 17

10:37am Mon 25 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Heathrowboy wrote:
He's Championship quality at best.
Simply not good enough.
I have watched the Bayer, Liverpool & West Brom games now and agree that on these three showings he does not look good enough. However he did not get any decent crosses in the box so, Yes, by his own admission he needs to improve quickly (as with our crosses to him), otherwise he will become the target of the fans frustrations.

Like others, my concerns are with the basics, for a big man he did not win many headers and those he did were miss-directed. He did not hold the ball up and his lay-offs were poor.

Happy to give him a few more games but at 29yrs old he should not take long to adapt.

We must sign another striker this week as even if Pelle does improve it does not look as though he will score many goals.

Come on Les buy a better Striker this week, it will be too long to wait until January.
[quote][p][bold]Heathrowboy[/bold] wrote: He's Championship quality at best. Simply not good enough.[/p][/quote]I have watched the Bayer, Liverpool & West Brom games now and agree that on these three showings he does not look good enough. However he did not get any decent crosses in the box so, Yes, by his own admission he needs to improve quickly (as with our crosses to him), otherwise he will become the target of the fans frustrations. Like others, my concerns are with the basics, for a big man he did not win many headers and those he did were miss-directed. He did not hold the ball up and his lay-offs were poor. Happy to give him a few more games but at 29yrs old he should not take long to adapt. We must sign another striker this week as even if Pelle does improve it does not look as though he will score many goals. Come on Les buy a better Striker this week, it will be too long to wait until January. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 3

10:50am Mon 25 Aug 14

simmo 2 says...

st.athan saint wrote:
Remy's not going to stay at Fulham is he ? and if a really big side wanted him he'd have surely gone by now.Pelle ? give him time - thought his second touch was better on saturday !! Remember J Rod wasn't best when he first arrived.
remy's at qpr !!
[quote][p][bold]st.athan saint[/bold] wrote: Remy's not going to stay at Fulham is he ? and if a really big side wanted him he'd have surely gone by now.Pelle ? give him time - thought his second touch was better on saturday !! Remember J Rod wasn't best when he first arrived.[/p][/quote]remy's at qpr !! simmo 2
  • Score: 2

10:59am Mon 25 Aug 14

InCortesewetrust says...

Opinions are like arsehole's everyone has one, pelle looks awful at best, que the thumbs down,
Opinions are like arsehole's everyone has one, pelle looks awful at best, que the thumbs down, InCortesewetrust
  • Score: -11

11:35am Mon 25 Aug 14

spratt says...

wellow saint wrote:
Clearly nobody should be having a go at Pelle during the games, however you have to realistic . He has looked slow and appears not to have a great touch. Whilst it is early days, to me he looks out of his depth,just like Guly did in the Premiership. I think we are going to struggle this season because where are the goals coming from ?
Good question. Where are the goals going to come from? This was a problem last season even when we had JRod, Lambert ,Lalana, etc to look to. What seems odd to me is that Long has not started games when he was not short of training and supposedly bought to complement Pelle for the two to feed off each other. Obviously we have to give the team a chance to gel but against Liverpool they appeared to have already done so. That game raised every ones expectations. Its time for those scouts to come up with a player, or players, that are capable of injecting a positive goal threat into the squad. Where is all that money which was said to be available? No one can blame the owners.
[quote][p][bold]wellow saint[/bold] wrote: Clearly nobody should be having a go at Pelle during the games, however you have to realistic . He has looked slow and appears not to have a great touch. Whilst it is early days, to me he looks out of his depth,just like Guly did in the Premiership. I think we are going to struggle this season because where are the goals coming from ?[/p][/quote]Good question. Where are the goals going to come from? This was a problem last season even when we had JRod, Lambert ,Lalana, etc to look to. What seems odd to me is that Long has not started games when he was not short of training and supposedly bought to complement Pelle for the two to feed off each other. Obviously we have to give the team a chance to gel but against Liverpool they appeared to have already done so. That game raised every ones expectations. Its time for those scouts to come up with a player, or players, that are capable of injecting a positive goal threat into the squad. Where is all that money which was said to be available? No one can blame the owners. spratt
  • Score: 0

11:44am Mon 25 Aug 14

Saintsayer II says...

GHamilton wrote:
Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since.

''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability.

If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier''

He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered.

So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??
For me it was the three 'A' s In this order Attitude Ability and Application I believe he has the right attitude and his ability was clear at a lower level Now we need to see if he can apply himself in the PL Remember J Rod an SRL were unknown quantities at this level but because they were given the correct encouragement by NA & MoPo they flourished

Pelle must be given until Christmas I thought he looked better in the second half because he became a bit more aggressive
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since. ''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability. If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier'' He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered. So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??[/p][/quote]For me it was the three 'A' s In this order Attitude Ability and Application I believe he has the right attitude and his ability was clear at a lower level Now we need to see if he can apply himself in the PL Remember J Rod an SRL were unknown quantities at this level but because they were given the correct encouragement by NA & MoPo they flourished Pelle must be given until Christmas I thought he looked better in the second half because he became a bit more aggressive Saintsayer II
  • Score: 4

1:06pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Block 42 says...

Why have we signed him and long..I mean reallyyy????.is there no one better out there...we desperatly need to sign a striker who can bang in 15 gols...lucas podolski would be gut and so would that little jay hernandez...get ya mony out les reed stop faffing around and sign someone the fans want or there will be protests
Why have we signed him and long..I mean reallyyy????.is there no one better out there...we desperatly need to sign a striker who can bang in 15 gols...lucas podolski would be gut and so would that little jay hernandez...get ya mony out les reed stop faffing around and sign someone the fans want or there will be protests Block 42
  • Score: -7

1:10pm Mon 25 Aug 14

lallanasatit says...

10 games, then see where we are. J-rod will be back and then theirs not as much pressure fir him to be main goal scorer. That will help
10 games, then see where we are. J-rod will be back and then theirs not as much pressure fir him to be main goal scorer. That will help lallanasatit
  • Score: 1

1:18pm Mon 25 Aug 14

drkensta says...

Something that most people attending the WBA game would not pick up was the television shots of the owner and CEO who were sat together. They looked disappointed and angry at what one can only assume was the team's performance, which I took as that they are expecting the team to play well and win. Also a couple of shots of Koeman who looked frustrated at what he was seeing, and which culminated with him holding his head in his hands in what looked to be disbelief at the team's performance. This looks to me that the three people do desperately care about the team's poor performance and will try very hard to rectify it.
Something that most people attending the WBA game would not pick up was the television shots of the owner and CEO who were sat together. They looked disappointed and angry at what one can only assume was the team's performance, which I took as that they are expecting the team to play well and win. Also a couple of shots of Koeman who looked frustrated at what he was seeing, and which culminated with him holding his head in his hands in what looked to be disbelief at the team's performance. This looks to me that the three people do desperately care about the team's poor performance and will try very hard to rectify it. drkensta
  • Score: 7

1:22pm Mon 25 Aug 14

buckie says...

i was there Saturday and you could tell that Pelle will be a goal threat constructive criticism from me (hopefully anyway) i would like Pelle to shield the ball from the opposing players a bit better but hopefully that will come of more concern to me is a lack of pace in the team last year we had one of the deserters offering pace now he has left that option is gone go on Ron get us 2 new fast wide players was pleasantly surprised though at the defense i thought they played better than i feared i was fearful with the new keeper as Boruc in my opinion was class but Forster seems up there with him got down well to a couple of low shots which is a concern with a tall keeper and his handling seemed assured COYS
i was there Saturday and you could tell that Pelle will be a goal threat constructive criticism from me (hopefully anyway) i would like Pelle to shield the ball from the opposing players a bit better but hopefully that will come of more concern to me is a lack of pace in the team last year we had one of the deserters offering pace now he has left that option is gone go on Ron get us 2 new fast wide players was pleasantly surprised though at the defense i thought they played better than i feared i was fearful with the new keeper as Boruc in my opinion was class but Forster seems up there with him got down well to a couple of low shots which is a concern with a tall keeper and his handling seemed assured COYS buckie
  • Score: 5

1:49pm Mon 25 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
Opinions are like arsehole's everyone has one, pelle looks awful at best, que the thumbs down,
You appear to be speaking from one of your strength subjects, an expert on arsehole's.

Looking at the 'thumbs down' counts, it's wet out and someone has a bit too much idle time on their hands, they are not an accurate guide at all.

Patience please, give the man a chance, like any Italian would tell you Rome wasn't built in a day.
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Opinions are like arsehole's everyone has one, pelle looks awful at best, que the thumbs down,[/p][/quote]You appear to be speaking from one of your strength subjects, an expert on arsehole's. Looking at the 'thumbs down' counts, it's wet out and someone has a bit too much idle time on their hands, they are not an accurate guide at all. Patience please, give the man a chance, like any Italian would tell you Rome wasn't built in a day. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

2:30pm Mon 25 Aug 14

allyuk says...

2 Games down and the armchair / football manager gurus are out in force :) give the guy a chance! how can you possibly write somebody off after two game?

1) It's the second game team need to adapt
2) Different league + play style = adaption time required
3) Has he been given any opportunities? no!

Wouldn't be surprised if he puts in a transfer request in January fans should be ashamed to boo there own players!

If you don't like what you see go and support another teams PLASTICS!

COYRS Pelle will come good! :)
2 Games down and the armchair / football manager gurus are out in force :) give the guy a chance! how can you possibly write somebody off after two game? 1) It's the second game team need to adapt 2) Different league + play style = adaption time required 3) Has he been given any opportunities? no! Wouldn't be surprised if he puts in a transfer request in January fans should be ashamed to boo there own players! If you don't like what you see go and support another teams PLASTICS! COYRS Pelle will come good! :) allyuk
  • Score: 4

2:30pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Juze2014 says...

Absolutely disgraceful treatment of a guy who we are supposed to be supporting. Negativity breeds poor performance. He needs to be loved, as all strikers do! Let's give him a song and show him that we are a club worth playing for. Those supporters who occasionally turn up in the premiership should stay at home and watch the games on TV. You are not wanted at the ground. .COYR.
Absolutely disgraceful treatment of a guy who we are supposed to be supporting. Negativity breeds poor performance. He needs to be loved, as all strikers do! Let's give him a song and show him that we are a club worth playing for. Those supporters who occasionally turn up in the premiership should stay at home and watch the games on TV. You are not wanted at the ground. .COYR. Juze2014
  • Score: 0

3:06pm Mon 25 Aug 14

InCortesewetrust says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote: Opinions are like arsehole's everyone has one, pelle looks awful at best, que the thumbs down,
You appear to be speaking from one of your strength subjects, an expert on arsehole's. Looking at the 'thumbs down' counts, it's wet out and someone has a bit too much idle time on their hands, they are not an accurate guide at all. Patience please, give the man a chance, like any Italian would tell you Rome wasn't built in a day.
from one arsehole to another, your talking sh¡t
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Opinions are like arsehole's everyone has one, pelle looks awful at best, que the thumbs down,[/p][/quote]You appear to be speaking from one of your strength subjects, an expert on arsehole's. Looking at the 'thumbs down' counts, it's wet out and someone has a bit too much idle time on their hands, they are not an accurate guide at all. Patience please, give the man a chance, like any Italian would tell you Rome wasn't built in a day.[/p][/quote]from one arsehole to another, your talking sh¡t InCortesewetrust
  • Score: -5

3:56pm Mon 25 Aug 14

peregrine73 says...

singapore saint84 wrote:
I remember people saying jay rod wasnt good enough when he signed from burnley....same goes for wanyama...bottom line is...give them at least a season before we can really judge them...hopefully they will improve
If we the new players a season to settle we are going to be in big trouble!
Bearing in mind the heart of last seasons team was ripped out ,the replacements need to gel earlier rather then later to enable us to survive in the premiership this season. Two astute buys now( striker and defender) would help the premiership survival plan!
[quote][p][bold]singapore saint84[/bold] wrote: I remember people saying jay rod wasnt good enough when he signed from burnley....same goes for wanyama...bottom line is...give them at least a season before we can really judge them...hopefully they will improve[/p][/quote]If we the new players a season to settle we are going to be in big trouble! Bearing in mind the heart of last seasons team was ripped out ,the replacements need to gel earlier rather then later to enable us to survive in the premiership this season. Two astute buys now( striker and defender) would help the premiership survival plan! peregrine73
  • Score: 0

4:42pm Mon 25 Aug 14

F Fan says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Heathrowboy wrote:
He's Championship quality at best.
Simply not good enough.
I have watched the Bayer, Liverpool & West Brom games now and agree that on these three showings he does not look good enough. However he did not get any decent crosses in the box so, Yes, by his own admission he needs to improve quickly (as with our crosses to him), otherwise he will become the target of the fans frustrations.

Like others, my concerns are with the basics, for a big man he did not win many headers and those he did were miss-directed. He did not hold the ball up and his lay-offs were poor.

Happy to give him a few more games but at 29yrs old he should not take long to adapt.

We must sign another striker this week as even if Pelle does improve it does not look as though he will score many goals.

Come on Les buy a better Striker this week, it will be too long to wait until January.
"he did not win many headers"

You probably don't want the facts to spoil your prejudices but it appears Pelle has won more balls in the air this season to date than any other player in the PL. I have no stats on what he did with the headers.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Heathrowboy[/bold] wrote: He's Championship quality at best. Simply not good enough.[/p][/quote]I have watched the Bayer, Liverpool & West Brom games now and agree that on these three showings he does not look good enough. However he did not get any decent crosses in the box so, Yes, by his own admission he needs to improve quickly (as with our crosses to him), otherwise he will become the target of the fans frustrations. Like others, my concerns are with the basics, for a big man he did not win many headers and those he did were miss-directed. He did not hold the ball up and his lay-offs were poor. Happy to give him a few more games but at 29yrs old he should not take long to adapt. We must sign another striker this week as even if Pelle does improve it does not look as though he will score many goals. Come on Les buy a better Striker this week, it will be too long to wait until January.[/p][/quote]"he did not win many headers" You probably don't want the facts to spoil your prejudices but it appears Pelle has won more balls in the air this season to date than any other player in the PL. I have no stats on what he did with the headers. F Fan
  • Score: 0

4:52pm Mon 25 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
InCortesewetrust wrote: Opinions are like arsehole's everyone has one, pelle looks awful at best, que the thumbs down,
You appear to be speaking from one of your strength subjects, an expert on arsehole's. Looking at the 'thumbs down' counts, it's wet out and someone has a bit too much idle time on their hands, they are not an accurate guide at all. Patience please, give the man a chance, like any Italian would tell you Rome wasn't built in a day.
from one arsehole to another, your talking sh¡t
I am not surprised that you admitted it and what I am saying is up to others to decide, but as you say you are an expert on the subject, who am I to argue.
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: Opinions are like arsehole's everyone has one, pelle looks awful at best, que the thumbs down,[/p][/quote]You appear to be speaking from one of your strength subjects, an expert on arsehole's. Looking at the 'thumbs down' counts, it's wet out and someone has a bit too much idle time on their hands, they are not an accurate guide at all. Patience please, give the man a chance, like any Italian would tell you Rome wasn't built in a day.[/p][/quote]from one arsehole to another, your talking sh¡t[/p][/quote]I am not surprised that you admitted it and what I am saying is up to others to decide, but as you say you are an expert on the subject, who am I to argue. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

4:54pm Mon 25 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Juze2014 wrote:
Absolutely disgraceful treatment of a guy who we are supposed to be supporting. Negativity breeds poor performance. He needs to be loved, as all strikers do! Let's give him a song and show him that we are a club worth playing for. Those supporters who occasionally turn up in the premiership should stay at home and watch the games on TV. You are not wanted at the ground. .COYR.
As long as they pay to come in they are very welcome indeed, if they don't enjoy what they see, they could try to get their money back.
[quote][p][bold]Juze2014[/bold] wrote: Absolutely disgraceful treatment of a guy who we are supposed to be supporting. Negativity breeds poor performance. He needs to be loved, as all strikers do! Let's give him a song and show him that we are a club worth playing for. Those supporters who occasionally turn up in the premiership should stay at home and watch the games on TV. You are not wanted at the ground. .COYR.[/p][/quote]As long as they pay to come in they are very welcome indeed, if they don't enjoy what they see, they could try to get their money back. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

4:59pm Mon 25 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Block 42 wrote:
Why have we signed him and long..I mean reallyyy????.is there no one better out there...we desperatly need to sign a striker who can bang in 15 gols...lucas podolski would be gut and so would that little jay hernandez...get ya mony out les reed stop faffing around and sign someone the fans want or there will be protests
I don't agree. There are plenty of better players out there, they don't want to come here as they might get picked on as soon as they miskick a ball. I do agree that we need a hit man, pronto, 0 0 draws get us points, but are so boring to watch. So, Les, get one in now or else you will acquire the wrath of Block 42 and a few others.
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Why have we signed him and long..I mean reallyyy????.is there no one better out there...we desperatly need to sign a striker who can bang in 15 gols...lucas podolski would be gut and so would that little jay hernandez...get ya mony out les reed stop faffing around and sign someone the fans want or there will be protests[/p][/quote]I don't agree. There are plenty of better players out there, they don't want to come here as they might get picked on as soon as they miskick a ball. I do agree that we need a hit man, pronto, 0 0 draws get us points, but are so boring to watch. So, Les, get one in now or else you will acquire the wrath of Block 42 and a few others. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

5:29pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

drkensta wrote:
Something that most people attending the WBA game would not pick up was the television shots of the owner and CEO who were sat together. They looked disappointed and angry at what one can only assume was the team's performance, which I took as that they are expecting the team to play well and win. Also a couple of shots of Koeman who looked frustrated at what he was seeing, and which culminated with him holding his head in his hands in what looked to be disbelief at the team's performance. This looks to me that the three people do desperately care about the team's poor performance and will try very hard to rectify it.
They are of course the three people who have full control over what we dish up.
[quote][p][bold]drkensta[/bold] wrote: Something that most people attending the WBA game would not pick up was the television shots of the owner and CEO who were sat together. They looked disappointed and angry at what one can only assume was the team's performance, which I took as that they are expecting the team to play well and win. Also a couple of shots of Koeman who looked frustrated at what he was seeing, and which culminated with him holding his head in his hands in what looked to be disbelief at the team's performance. This looks to me that the three people do desperately care about the team's poor performance and will try very hard to rectify it.[/p][/quote]They are of course the three people who have full control over what we dish up. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

5:38pm Mon 25 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
drkensta wrote:
Something that most people attending the WBA game would not pick up was the television shots of the owner and CEO who were sat together. They looked disappointed and angry at what one can only assume was the team's performance, which I took as that they are expecting the team to play well and win. Also a couple of shots of Koeman who looked frustrated at what he was seeing, and which culminated with him holding his head in his hands in what looked to be disbelief at the team's performance. This looks to me that the three people do desperately care about the team's poor performance and will try very hard to rectify it.
They are of course the three people who have full control over what we dish up.
As was said they all showed the same signs as the rest of us, no true Saints fan would be over the moon about what they had watched, the point was welcome, but if all of the players had performed to their full potential it should have been three. We have to trust our leaders to lead by example by taking the right decisions on how to get things right. KEEP CALM and support SOUTHAMPTON, that's what it says on the plaque in front of me, good advice.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drkensta[/bold] wrote: Something that most people attending the WBA game would not pick up was the television shots of the owner and CEO who were sat together. They looked disappointed and angry at what one can only assume was the team's performance, which I took as that they are expecting the team to play well and win. Also a couple of shots of Koeman who looked frustrated at what he was seeing, and which culminated with him holding his head in his hands in what looked to be disbelief at the team's performance. This looks to me that the three people do desperately care about the team's poor performance and will try very hard to rectify it.[/p][/quote]They are of course the three people who have full control over what we dish up.[/p][/quote]As was said they all showed the same signs as the rest of us, no true Saints fan would be over the moon about what they had watched, the point was welcome, but if all of the players had performed to their full potential it should have been three. We have to trust our leaders to lead by example by taking the right decisions on how to get things right. KEEP CALM and support SOUTHAMPTON, that's what it says on the plaque in front of me, good advice. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

5:49pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
drkensta wrote:
Something that most people attending the WBA game would not pick up was the television shots of the owner and CEO who were sat together. They looked disappointed and angry at what one can only assume was the team's performance, which I took as that they are expecting the team to play well and win. Also a couple of shots of Koeman who looked frustrated at what he was seeing, and which culminated with him holding his head in his hands in what looked to be disbelief at the team's performance. This looks to me that the three people do desperately care about the team's poor performance and will try very hard to rectify it.
They are of course the three people who have full control over what we dish up.
As was said they all showed the same signs as the rest of us, no true Saints fan would be over the moon about what they had watched, the point was welcome, but if all of the players had performed to their full potential it should have been three. We have to trust our leaders to lead by example by taking the right decisions on how to get things right. KEEP CALM and support SOUTHAMPTON, that's what it says on the plaque in front of me, good advice.
As you know I wasn't there, my first game is Wet Spam away this weekend. Does trust have to be earned or is it blind faith like religion?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drkensta[/bold] wrote: Something that most people attending the WBA game would not pick up was the television shots of the owner and CEO who were sat together. They looked disappointed and angry at what one can only assume was the team's performance, which I took as that they are expecting the team to play well and win. Also a couple of shots of Koeman who looked frustrated at what he was seeing, and which culminated with him holding his head in his hands in what looked to be disbelief at the team's performance. This looks to me that the three people do desperately care about the team's poor performance and will try very hard to rectify it.[/p][/quote]They are of course the three people who have full control over what we dish up.[/p][/quote]As was said they all showed the same signs as the rest of us, no true Saints fan would be over the moon about what they had watched, the point was welcome, but if all of the players had performed to their full potential it should have been three. We have to trust our leaders to lead by example by taking the right decisions on how to get things right. KEEP CALM and support SOUTHAMPTON, that's what it says on the plaque in front of me, good advice.[/p][/quote]As you know I wasn't there, my first game is Wet Spam away this weekend. Does trust have to be earned or is it blind faith like religion? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

6:08pm Mon 25 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
drkensta wrote:
Something that most people attending the WBA game would not pick up was the television shots of the owner and CEO who were sat together. They looked disappointed and angry at what one can only assume was the team's performance, which I took as that they are expecting the team to play well and win. Also a couple of shots of Koeman who looked frustrated at what he was seeing, and which culminated with him holding his head in his hands in what looked to be disbelief at the team's performance. This looks to me that the three people do desperately care about the team's poor performance and will try very hard to rectify it.
They are of course the three people who have full control over what we dish up.
As was said they all showed the same signs as the rest of us, no true Saints fan would be over the moon about what they had watched, the point was welcome, but if all of the players had performed to their full potential it should have been three. We have to trust our leaders to lead by example by taking the right decisions on how to get things right. KEEP CALM and support SOUTHAMPTON, that's what it says on the plaque in front of me, good advice.
As you know I wasn't there, my first game is Wet Spam away this weekend. Does trust have to be earned or is it blind faith like religion?
For me it has to be earned by results, even happy clappers know that.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drkensta[/bold] wrote: Something that most people attending the WBA game would not pick up was the television shots of the owner and CEO who were sat together. They looked disappointed and angry at what one can only assume was the team's performance, which I took as that they are expecting the team to play well and win. Also a couple of shots of Koeman who looked frustrated at what he was seeing, and which culminated with him holding his head in his hands in what looked to be disbelief at the team's performance. This looks to me that the three people do desperately care about the team's poor performance and will try very hard to rectify it.[/p][/quote]They are of course the three people who have full control over what we dish up.[/p][/quote]As was said they all showed the same signs as the rest of us, no true Saints fan would be over the moon about what they had watched, the point was welcome, but if all of the players had performed to their full potential it should have been three. We have to trust our leaders to lead by example by taking the right decisions on how to get things right. KEEP CALM and support SOUTHAMPTON, that's what it says on the plaque in front of me, good advice.[/p][/quote]As you know I wasn't there, my first game is Wet Spam away this weekend. Does trust have to be earned or is it blind faith like religion?[/p][/quote]For me it has to be earned by results, even happy clappers know that. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

6:11pm Mon 25 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

F Fan wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Heathrowboy wrote:
He's Championship quality at best.
Simply not good enough.
I have watched the Bayer, Liverpool & West Brom games now and agree that on these three showings he does not look good enough. However he did not get any decent crosses in the box so, Yes, by his own admission he needs to improve quickly (as with our crosses to him), otherwise he will become the target of the fans frustrations.

Like others, my concerns are with the basics, for a big man he did not win many headers and those he did were miss-directed. He did not hold the ball up and his lay-offs were poor.

Happy to give him a few more games but at 29yrs old he should not take long to adapt.

We must sign another striker this week as even if Pelle does improve it does not look as though he will score many goals.

Come on Les buy a better Striker this week, it will be too long to wait until January.
"he did not win many headers"

You probably don't want the facts to spoil your prejudices but it appears Pelle has won more balls in the air this season to date than any other player in the PL. I have no stats on what he did with the headers.
Can anyone confirm that Pelle leads the Premiership for headers won?
Seems that the statistics must lie.
[quote][p][bold]F Fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Heathrowboy[/bold] wrote: He's Championship quality at best. Simply not good enough.[/p][/quote]I have watched the Bayer, Liverpool & West Brom games now and agree that on these three showings he does not look good enough. However he did not get any decent crosses in the box so, Yes, by his own admission he needs to improve quickly (as with our crosses to him), otherwise he will become the target of the fans frustrations. Like others, my concerns are with the basics, for a big man he did not win many headers and those he did were miss-directed. He did not hold the ball up and his lay-offs were poor. Happy to give him a few more games but at 29yrs old he should not take long to adapt. We must sign another striker this week as even if Pelle does improve it does not look as though he will score many goals. Come on Les buy a better Striker this week, it will be too long to wait until January.[/p][/quote]"he did not win many headers" You probably don't want the facts to spoil your prejudices but it appears Pelle has won more balls in the air this season to date than any other player in the PL. I have no stats on what he did with the headers.[/p][/quote]Can anyone confirm that Pelle leads the Premiership for headers won? Seems that the statistics must lie. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

6:13pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Dgginger says...

I think we should play our strongest team at millwall ...not that we really know what is yet ...maybe Pelle can get a goal or at least more of a feel for things.

It's too early to judge him yet...give him a chance....but if he can't show at least something against Millwall then you would be a bit worried but still it's early.

I think Millwall is a really tough draw.....it will be interesting to see how seriously saints take it , I think if they rest too many I think there is a good chance they'll go out.
I think we should play our strongest team at millwall ...not that we really know what is yet ...maybe Pelle can get a goal or at least more of a feel for things. It's too early to judge him yet...give him a chance....but if he can't show at least something against Millwall then you would be a bit worried but still it's early. I think Millwall is a really tough draw.....it will be interesting to see how seriously saints take it , I think if they rest too many I think there is a good chance they'll go out. Dgginger
  • Score: 1

7:08pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
drkensta wrote:
Something that most people attending the WBA game would not pick up was the television shots of the owner and CEO who were sat together. They looked disappointed and angry at what one can only assume was the team's performance, which I took as that they are expecting the team to play well and win. Also a couple of shots of Koeman who looked frustrated at what he was seeing, and which culminated with him holding his head in his hands in what looked to be disbelief at the team's performance. This looks to me that the three people do desperately care about the team's poor performance and will try very hard to rectify it.
They are of course the three people who have full control over what we dish up.
No, Seed. You've forgotten the players on the pitch. Or, are you suggesting that the difference between the way we played at Liverpool and WestBrom was the responsibility of the triumvirate?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drkensta[/bold] wrote: Something that most people attending the WBA game would not pick up was the television shots of the owner and CEO who were sat together. They looked disappointed and angry at what one can only assume was the team's performance, which I took as that they are expecting the team to play well and win. Also a couple of shots of Koeman who looked frustrated at what he was seeing, and which culminated with him holding his head in his hands in what looked to be disbelief at the team's performance. This looks to me that the three people do desperately care about the team's poor performance and will try very hard to rectify it.[/p][/quote]They are of course the three people who have full control over what we dish up.[/p][/quote]No, Seed. You've forgotten the players on the pitch. Or, are you suggesting that the difference between the way we played at Liverpool and WestBrom was the responsibility of the triumvirate? Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

7:29pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Chapperall says...

Good for him coming and saying he needs to improve. Sounds like he is good committed player who wants to do well for Saints. Suggest we all get off his back and let him prove himself
Good for him coming and saying he needs to improve. Sounds like he is good committed player who wants to do well for Saints. Suggest we all get off his back and let him prove himself Chapperall
  • Score: 5

7:47pm Mon 25 Aug 14

echo1948 says...

This is the problem I have been reitterating for weeks. Unfortunately,becaus
e we have taken our time, in buying players, they are going to take a few games to gel as a unit. There is no point in getting on the backs of individuals, until they have had time to prove what they can do. I know the game on Saturday was dire, but I think the promise of a good season was there.
This is the problem I have been reitterating for weeks. Unfortunately,becaus e we have taken our time, in buying players, they are going to take a few games to gel as a unit. There is no point in getting on the backs of individuals, until they have had time to prove what they can do. I know the game on Saturday was dire, but I think the promise of a good season was there. echo1948
  • Score: 0

8:44pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Good Looking Man About Town. says...

So already we have this years scapegoat sorted. Pathetic, season has hardly started and with a new team how about some time instead of stupid kneejerk reactions. Last week everyone was saying we could maintain last years position after a draw we are suddenly the new Portsmouth.
So already we have this years scapegoat sorted. Pathetic, season has hardly started and with a new team how about some time instead of stupid kneejerk reactions. Last week everyone was saying we could maintain last years position after a draw we are suddenly the new Portsmouth. Good Looking Man About Town.
  • Score: 2

12:05am Tue 26 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Dave Juson wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
GHamilton wrote:
Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since.

''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability.

If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier''

He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered.

So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??
I'm by no means a football expert, But those players you listed were definately a cut above your average footballer. While some players are naturally more gifted in terms of vision and instinct, I agree with your number one point, however I would also believe that empathy between the layers of defense, midfield and attack in order to build up attacking play culminating in goals, requires some time to develop with the team playing together, generating the instinctive runs and passes that rip the opposition to shreds. It doesn't take a football genius to be present in front of goal waiting for a rebound or defensive error trying to clear the ball while under pressure.
If you are not a football expert, what on earth brings you to believe that you can make a contribution to this debate?
Isn’t it obvious that, with the exception of the odd Pompey supporter wishing to create mischief, everyone who posts on the Saints’ related forums on this website is a bona fide “real football man” and everyone of them has forgotten more about the beautiful game than anyone who has been associated with Southampton Football Club since the millennium will ever know?
What they are doing on here is the mystery, surely they should be telling Katharina Liebherr (who is probably very happy she is not a “real football man”) how to run the club, not each other?
Sorry so are you saying by replying with that answer that you are a football expert because you posted on this forum? If I was a football expert, I wouldn't need to be debating football tactics here, I'd be working for the club. I was just calling it from my humble experience playing and reading about football. G made some good points but I was taught about the value of team play because world class footballers were in short supply at club level in NZ at the time.
No, I was pointing out that, you, like me, are out of your depth. You are attempting to educate people about a game in which they have long been versed beyond the point they can be educated.
Let me explain, imagine you have a BSc in astronomy and you meet a bloke in a pub who is twenty or more years older than you and not only believes the world is flat but has gone to the edge a few times and looked into the void below. Of course he is going to find you laughable.
“Real football men” have been there and done that and there is nothing we can teach them. Take comfort in the fact that there is nothing that Mauricio Pochettino or Ronald Koeman can teach them either. If they thought they could they would be posting on this site as well.
Far be it for me to attempt changing the view of someone that is stubborn enough to retain a full glass of knowledge which doesn't allow for the unpredictablility of life.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: Back in the 1970's a football coach gave a team talk to a grop of young lads on what qualities are required in being a top goalscorer...I was one of those lads, what he said to us, has stayed with me ever since. ''There are 3 main qualities in being a top striker, and they are, in this order..... 1. The ability to Anticipate/Read what is going to happen next; 2. Awareness as to what is around you; 3. Technical Ability. If a player cannot read or anticipate what's likekly to happen next, he will always be feeding off scraps, it is vital that he positions himself correctly so as to take advantage of a goalscoring opportunity. Once in that position he must be aware of what is around him, ie, his position in relation to the goal, where the keeper is, defenders around him.....because this will determin the choice he makes when the ball comes to him. Is he going to volley it, take a touch, head it or flick it with the outsideof his foot. His technical ability comes in last, but it is technical abilitiy that will determin whether he can execute the choice he has made a split second earlier'' He was right; players who were great at reading the game, Greaves, Law, Keagan, Dalgish and more recently Rud Van Nistelroy, were not the most technicaly gifted, but were able to ''SNIFF OUT' goalscoring opportunities, were instanly aware of what was around them and how they were going to deal with it, and had enough technical skill to pit the ball were it mattered. So far, after two games, it appears our two main strikers don't possess these qualities. People will say it's too early to judge, maybe their right, the important question is....... how long do we wait to find out??[/p][/quote]I'm by no means a football expert, But those players you listed were definately a cut above your average footballer. While some players are naturally more gifted in terms of vision and instinct, I agree with your number one point, however I would also believe that empathy between the layers of defense, midfield and attack in order to build up attacking play culminating in goals, requires some time to develop with the team playing together, generating the instinctive runs and passes that rip the opposition to shreds. It doesn't take a football genius to be present in front of goal waiting for a rebound or defensive error trying to clear the ball while under pressure.[/p][/quote]If you are not a football expert, what on earth brings you to believe that you can make a contribution to this debate? Isn’t it obvious that, with the exception of the odd Pompey supporter wishing to create mischief, everyone who posts on the Saints’ related forums on this website is a bona fide “real football man” and everyone of them has forgotten more about the beautiful game than anyone who has been associated with Southampton Football Club since the millennium will ever know? What they are doing on here is the mystery, surely they should be telling Katharina Liebherr (who is probably very happy she is not a “real football man”) how to run the club, not each other?[/p][/quote]Sorry so are you saying by replying with that answer that you are a football expert because you posted on this forum? If I was a football expert, I wouldn't need to be debating football tactics here, I'd be working for the club. I was just calling it from my humble experience playing and reading about football. G made some good points but I was taught about the value of team play because world class footballers were in short supply at club level in NZ at the time.[/p][/quote]No, I was pointing out that, you, like me, are out of your depth. You are attempting to educate people about a game in which they have long been versed beyond the point they can be educated. Let me explain, imagine you have a BSc in astronomy and you meet a bloke in a pub who is twenty or more years older than you and not only believes the world is flat but has gone to the edge a few times and looked into the void below. Of course he is going to find you laughable. “Real football men” have been there and done that and there is nothing we can teach them. Take comfort in the fact that there is nothing that Mauricio Pochettino or Ronald Koeman can teach them either. If they thought they could they would be posting on this site as well.[/p][/quote]Far be it for me to attempt changing the view of someone that is stubborn enough to retain a full glass of knowledge which doesn't allow for the unpredictablility of life. KiwiSaint74
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7:11am Tue 26 Aug 14

zambucco says...

I am the eternal optimist, I saw Pelle okay in all of the friendlies and up saw a lot of good touches and holding up play. But at no pint did he look like he could score. I know his record says he can, it just seems to me that he's lacking confidence, he isn't lacking effort though, and this is what will get him goals. Rickie and Jay both needed time to adapt and they came through.
On another note I stand in three middle of block 42 and I didn't really notice any targeted boos at Pelle, sure they groaned when he didn't win a ball our lost one, but they do that for every player. I'm not defending them, as I think the majority are morons. Some of the songs they make up are embarrassing not did three language used, but sheet lack of imagination.
I am the eternal optimist, I saw Pelle okay in all of the friendlies and up saw a lot of good touches and holding up play. But at no pint did he look like he could score. I know his record says he can, it just seems to me that he's lacking confidence, he isn't lacking effort though, and this is what will get him goals. Rickie and Jay both needed time to adapt and they came through. On another note I stand in three middle of block 42 and I didn't really notice any targeted boos at Pelle, sure they groaned when he didn't win a ball our lost one, but they do that for every player. I'm not defending them, as I think the majority are morons. Some of the songs they make up are embarrassing not did three language used, but sheet lack of imagination. zambucco
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8:43am Tue 26 Aug 14

Ozmosis says...

Dgginger wrote:
I think we should play our strongest team at millwall ...not that we really know what is yet ...maybe Pelle can get a goal or at least more of a feel for things.

It's too early to judge him yet...give him a chance....but if he can't show at least something against Millwall then you would be a bit worried but still it's early.

I think Millwall is a really tough draw.....it will be interesting to see how seriously saints take it , I think if they rest too many I think there is a good chance they'll go out.
Hasn't RK said he doesn't plan to change the team about? A good decision IMO - gets them as much playing time together as possible
[quote][p][bold]Dgginger[/bold] wrote: I think we should play our strongest team at millwall ...not that we really know what is yet ...maybe Pelle can get a goal or at least more of a feel for things. It's too early to judge him yet...give him a chance....but if he can't show at least something against Millwall then you would be a bit worried but still it's early. I think Millwall is a really tough draw.....it will be interesting to see how seriously saints take it , I think if they rest too many I think there is a good chance they'll go out.[/p][/quote]Hasn't RK said he doesn't plan to change the team about? A good decision IMO - gets them as much playing time together as possible Ozmosis
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