RUMOUR MILL, August 20: Saints interested in Lazio midfielder

Andros Townsend

Andros Townsend

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Saints will return with a second offer for Tottenham winger Andros Townsend, despite having had a £10m bid knocked back for the player, according to the Daily Mirror.

However, the paper says that Spurs are unlikely to do business, due to Saints' refusal to sell either Morgan Schneiderlin or Jay Rodriguez to them.

The Mirror claims that, if Ronald Koeman wants to sign the 23-year-old, he may have to relax his stance on not selling Schneiderlin.

Meanwhile, reports in the Italian press suggest that Saints remain keen on Lazio midfielder Alvaro Gonzalez.

The 29-year-old Uruguay international can play out wide, in central midfield, or even as a full-back.

Saints have been linked with an £8m move for the player.

Elsewhere, The Guardian say that Malky Mackay will be appointed new manager of Crystal Palace and will resume the club's interest in Saints midfielder Jack Cork, who has a year left to run on his contract.

 

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10:08am Wed 20 Aug 14

elvis says...

Good .... they've had too much off us in the past !! X
Good .... they've had too much off us in the past !! X elvis
  • Score: 23

10:24am Wed 20 Aug 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

£15m plus first dibs on Morgan (which they won't ever get...)

I rate Townsend! He's definitely a pacey winger and also a match winner!
£15m plus first dibs on Morgan (which they won't ever get...) I rate Townsend! He's definitely a pacey winger and also a match winner! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: -23

10:39am Wed 20 Aug 14

prawn89 says...

Really not impressed with the Jack Cork situation - he has been class since joining us. I remember especially at Fulham away last year he cam on at 0-0 at half time and we won 0-3. He replaced Wanyama and really quickened things up; he is always a tidy and efficient workhorse with no ego and can cover RB!

The price being muted is tiny AND Spider will clearly be leaving at some point. Seems stupid. Maybe with Taider he won't be getting game time so perhaps he wants to move to guarantee football - surely a loan move is better than losing yet another useful player for 3M?!
Really not impressed with the Jack Cork situation - he has been class since joining us. I remember especially at Fulham away last year he cam on at 0-0 at half time and we won 0-3. He replaced Wanyama and really quickened things up; he is always a tidy and efficient workhorse with no ego and can cover RB! The price being muted is tiny AND Spider will clearly be leaving at some point. Seems stupid. Maybe with Taider he won't be getting game time so perhaps he wants to move to guarantee football - surely a loan move is better than losing yet another useful player for 3M?! prawn89
  • Score: 54

10:49am Wed 20 Aug 14

montecristosaint says...

prawn89 wrote:
Really not impressed with the Jack Cork situation - he has been class since joining us. I remember especially at Fulham away last year he cam on at 0-0 at half time and we won 0-3. He replaced Wanyama and really quickened things up; he is always a tidy and efficient workhorse with no ego and can cover RB!

The price being muted is tiny AND Spider will clearly be leaving at some point. Seems stupid. Maybe with Taider he won't be getting game time so perhaps he wants to move to guarantee football - surely a loan move is better than losing yet another useful player for 3M?!
How would a loan move assist us when he is in the last year of his contract? For some reason the club doesnt seem to rate Jack, unlike the fans for whom he is a hero. The club s current administration isnt exactly popular, and I for one would be made up if Krueger and Reed were to quietly disappear. The have done so much damage, this summer will long persist in the annals of Saints disasters, the sale of Chambers made absolutely NO sense whatever. For that alone these two gentlemen should resign.
[quote][p][bold]prawn89[/bold] wrote: Really not impressed with the Jack Cork situation - he has been class since joining us. I remember especially at Fulham away last year he cam on at 0-0 at half time and we won 0-3. He replaced Wanyama and really quickened things up; he is always a tidy and efficient workhorse with no ego and can cover RB! The price being muted is tiny AND Spider will clearly be leaving at some point. Seems stupid. Maybe with Taider he won't be getting game time so perhaps he wants to move to guarantee football - surely a loan move is better than losing yet another useful player for 3M?![/p][/quote]How would a loan move assist us when he is in the last year of his contract? For some reason the club doesnt seem to rate Jack, unlike the fans for whom he is a hero. The club s current administration isnt exactly popular, and I for one would be made up if Krueger and Reed were to quietly disappear. The have done so much damage, this summer will long persist in the annals of Saints disasters, the sale of Chambers made absolutely NO sense whatever. For that alone these two gentlemen should resign. montecristosaint
  • Score: -56

10:53am Wed 20 Aug 14

miltonnroad76 says...

Cant keep players who sulk and want to leave...yes we kept Morgan but to have 5 unhappy players in the dressing room would be suicide....and Morgan is the best of of em all.the finished product .
Cant keep players who sulk and want to leave...yes we kept Morgan but to have 5 unhappy players in the dressing room would be suicide....and Morgan is the best of of em all.the finished product . miltonnroad76
  • Score: 27

10:58am Wed 20 Aug 14

Saint Viking says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
£15m plus first dibs on Morgan (which they won't ever get...)

I rate Townsend! He's definitely a pacey winger and also a match winner!
A match winner you say? One goal in thirty appearances for Spurs in the Premier League, twelve goals in 121 league appearances on loan to nine different clubs. One good game against Montenegro for England, hardly a European powerhouse. In total he's scored three Premier League goals in 42 games for Spurs & QPR. No thanks.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: £15m plus first dibs on Morgan (which they won't ever get...) I rate Townsend! He's definitely a pacey winger and also a match winner![/p][/quote]A match winner you say? One goal in thirty appearances for Spurs in the Premier League, twelve goals in 121 league appearances on loan to nine different clubs. One good game against Montenegro for England, hardly a European powerhouse. In total he's scored three Premier League goals in 42 games for Spurs & QPR. No thanks. Saint Viking
  • Score: 37

11:01am Wed 20 Aug 14

Bigrich1980 says...

i believe the way the club look at things - jack comes down the pecking order - schneiderlain, wanyama and davis are first choice in there and with youg harry reed coming through and looking a real gem jack is not needed - also JWP can play in that role too so we have an abundunce of talent - also this Taider is around there somewhere too.

I for one rate jack but it he is not seen as first choice and we can get £3M for him now, better to do that than lose him for nothing in a year. Plus his wages must be over £1M a season too.
i believe the way the club look at things - jack comes down the pecking order - schneiderlain, wanyama and davis are first choice in there and with youg harry reed coming through and looking a real gem jack is not needed - also JWP can play in that role too so we have an abundunce of talent - also this Taider is around there somewhere too. I for one rate jack but it he is not seen as first choice and we can get £3M for him now, better to do that than lose him for nothing in a year. Plus his wages must be over £1M a season too. Bigrich1980
  • Score: 3

11:13am Wed 20 Aug 14

prawn89 says...

montecristosaint wrote:
prawn89 wrote:
Really not impressed with the Jack Cork situation - he has been class since joining us. I remember especially at Fulham away last year he cam on at 0-0 at half time and we won 0-3. He replaced Wanyama and really quickened things up; he is always a tidy and efficient workhorse with no ego and can cover RB!

The price being muted is tiny AND Spider will clearly be leaving at some point. Seems stupid. Maybe with Taider he won't be getting game time so perhaps he wants to move to guarantee football - surely a loan move is better than losing yet another useful player for 3M?!
How would a loan move assist us when he is in the last year of his contract? For some reason the club doesnt seem to rate Jack, unlike the fans for whom he is a hero. The club s current administration isnt exactly popular, and I for one would be made up if Krueger and Reed were to quietly disappear. The have done so much damage, this summer will long persist in the annals of Saints disasters, the sale of Chambers made absolutely NO sense whatever. For that alone these two gentlemen should resign.
Loan him out until January, when Spider may leave... All I'm saying is don't sell him for a pittance when we're probably going to regret it when Spider goes. What if Taider doesn't work out? Davis is also what, 30? Hardly the future AND clubs have been sniffing around Wanyama. We should keep Cork and a short loan could keep everyone happy until January. To be honest I'd rather him be given a new contract...

Agree on Chambers, especially as he can play CB and looks comfortable there. Still - early days...
As for Reed and Krueger, I don't know what to think. Personally I think that, while they were naïve, they need our support.

I think a lot wen on last year, and that Pochettino and Cortese were at the root of a lot of it.
Speak to anyone at the club and they HATED Cortese. I know a couple of insiders and they say that he was a nightmare to work under. Poch clearly strung the board along, hence the 'meltdown'. Maybe they should have seen through it, but did any of us?

LEt's not forget we now have a bona fide class manager in Koeman - who those two you mention helped to recruit. Again, it's early days, but I think we have improved on the 1-track Poch and I, for one, am glad to see that we are more stable financially.
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]prawn89[/bold] wrote: Really not impressed with the Jack Cork situation - he has been class since joining us. I remember especially at Fulham away last year he cam on at 0-0 at half time and we won 0-3. He replaced Wanyama and really quickened things up; he is always a tidy and efficient workhorse with no ego and can cover RB! The price being muted is tiny AND Spider will clearly be leaving at some point. Seems stupid. Maybe with Taider he won't be getting game time so perhaps he wants to move to guarantee football - surely a loan move is better than losing yet another useful player for 3M?![/p][/quote]How would a loan move assist us when he is in the last year of his contract? For some reason the club doesnt seem to rate Jack, unlike the fans for whom he is a hero. The club s current administration isnt exactly popular, and I for one would be made up if Krueger and Reed were to quietly disappear. The have done so much damage, this summer will long persist in the annals of Saints disasters, the sale of Chambers made absolutely NO sense whatever. For that alone these two gentlemen should resign.[/p][/quote]Loan him out until January, when Spider may leave... All I'm saying is don't sell him for a pittance when we're probably going to regret it when Spider goes. What if Taider doesn't work out? Davis is also what, 30? Hardly the future AND clubs have been sniffing around Wanyama. We should keep Cork and a short loan could keep everyone happy until January. To be honest I'd rather him be given a new contract... Agree on Chambers, especially as he can play CB and looks comfortable there. Still - early days... As for Reed and Krueger, I don't know what to think. Personally I think that, while they were naïve, they need our support. I think a lot wen on last year, and that Pochettino and Cortese were at the root of a lot of it. Speak to anyone at the club and they HATED Cortese. I know a couple of insiders and they say that he was a nightmare to work under. Poch clearly strung the board along, hence the 'meltdown'. Maybe they should have seen through it, but did any of us? LEt's not forget we now have a bona fide class manager in Koeman - who those two you mention helped to recruit. Again, it's early days, but I think we have improved on the 1-track Poch and I, for one, am glad to see that we are more stable financially. prawn89
  • Score: 27

11:13am Wed 20 Aug 14

Les Miserables says...

Jack Cork is in my opinion a vital squad member - Message to Les Reed "Get Corky signed up on a new contract now"!
Letting him go would be unforgivable, he was easily one of our best and most consistent performers last season.
Jack Cork is in my opinion a vital squad member - Message to Les Reed "Get Corky signed up on a new contract now"! Letting him go would be unforgivable, he was easily one of our best and most consistent performers last season. Les Miserables
  • Score: 32

11:18am Wed 20 Aug 14

Bazultra says...

Times need to change sign Townsend and stick it to spurs for once
Times need to change sign Townsend and stick it to spurs for once Bazultra
  • Score: -12

11:20am Wed 20 Aug 14

Simms1 says...

Swansea are more likely to get Cork. I understand that a formal offer has made (and then improved)and £5 million is on the table to Saints as of last week. Reed has no interest in offering Cork a new contract on market terms so presumably Saints will sell as his value is zero in June 2015 (i.e. in 10 months). Good deal for all concerned. Letting his contract run down would make no commercial sense at all and presumably he will sit tight in the next transfer window (January 2015) and wait for a Bosman if he is not sold now.
Swansea are more likely to get Cork. I understand that a formal offer has made (and then improved)and £5 million is on the table to Saints as of last week. Reed has no interest in offering Cork a new contract on market terms so presumably Saints will sell as his value is zero in June 2015 (i.e. in 10 months). Good deal for all concerned. Letting his contract run down would make no commercial sense at all and presumably he will sit tight in the next transfer window (January 2015) and wait for a Bosman if he is not sold now. Simms1
  • Score: 0

11:34am Wed 20 Aug 14

SaintPC says...

The issue is that Cork wants first team football regularly and he isnt going to get into our starting 11 every week. So he wont sign a new contract - and all those saying that we should just sign him up need to understand that.

The second issue is that why would we just keep a squad player if he is not increasing the level of the whole squad, and also is blocking a younger player from moving into that squad position. The fact that no top 7 clubs are coming in for Jack Cork should say a lot, he isnt top 7 material and isnt that what we are all insisting on?

You cant say to the club that they are ambitious, and then with the same breath insist they sign a squad player who doesnt start to a new contract.

Dont get me wrong, I like Cork and think he has done a great job getting us to here. He wants to play every week, and he wont be playing every week with us. So 3m-5m for him now is good business in my eyes and opens the door to Harry Reed to show that he is the future
The issue is that Cork wants first team football regularly and he isnt going to get into our starting 11 every week. So he wont sign a new contract - and all those saying that we should just sign him up need to understand that. The second issue is that why would we just keep a squad player if he is not increasing the level of the whole squad, and also is blocking a younger player from moving into that squad position. The fact that no top 7 clubs are coming in for Jack Cork should say a lot, he isnt top 7 material and isnt that what we are all insisting on? You cant say to the club that they are ambitious, and then with the same breath insist they sign a squad player who doesnt start to a new contract. Dont get me wrong, I like Cork and think he has done a great job getting us to here. He wants to play every week, and he wont be playing every week with us. So 3m-5m for him now is good business in my eyes and opens the door to Harry Reed to show that he is the future SaintPC
  • Score: 35

11:57am Wed 20 Aug 14

miltonarcher says...

The club would have been in a far stronger position re Morgan if they had insisted that Chambers would not be sold. Clearly a versatile player who could have covered three positions for us. It was a sale too far, the Board should have grown some and told Arse to go away.

Still, after all of the angst over the past few months, things now look a lot brighter, looking forward to WBA on Saturday, in fact, now looking forward to the whole season with optimism as are most on here. COYR 3 points on Saturday, lets kick start the season big time, send out a message, SFC are back !!!!!
The club would have been in a far stronger position re Morgan if they had insisted that Chambers would not be sold. Clearly a versatile player who could have covered three positions for us. It was a sale too far, the Board should have grown some and told Arse to go away. Still, after all of the angst over the past few months, things now look a lot brighter, looking forward to WBA on Saturday, in fact, now looking forward to the whole season with optimism as are most on here. COYR 3 points on Saturday, lets kick start the season big time, send out a message, SFC are back !!!!! miltonarcher
  • Score: 11

12:16pm Wed 20 Aug 14

BracknellSaint says...

Personally would like to see Cork get a new 3-4 year deal, as he's versatile, and always seems to have solid games.
Townsend? No thanks- one trick pony, and really not all that impressive overall-stats prove that, and he's another who would look good on YouTube, but over 90 mins, don't rate anything but his pace-and I'd rather see Isgrove play in that case.
Still dreaming of a marquee signing before he window shuts though...
Personally would like to see Cork get a new 3-4 year deal, as he's versatile, and always seems to have solid games. Townsend? No thanks- one trick pony, and really not all that impressive overall-stats prove that, and he's another who would look good on YouTube, but over 90 mins, don't rate anything but his pace-and I'd rather see Isgrove play in that case. Still dreaming of a marquee signing before he window shuts though... BracknellSaint
  • Score: 20

12:34pm Wed 20 Aug 14

St.Shakeshaft says...

Townsend is clearly very talented. But, he has no consistency whatsoever.

Going for him just reminds me of all of those talented players we had in the championship under Burly. They had plenty of talent, but no drive or consistency at all.

We really don't want players like that. We need more players like Ward Prowse , Clyne and Cork who are hungry, determined, the sort of players whose enthusiasm rubs off on their team mates.

I just get the impression from Townsend, that besides the occasional spurts of motivation - when we've seen him play excellently, on the whole I think deep down he's just happy to sit on the bench at Spurs for most of the rest of his career.

I might be wrong though, as with the right attitude he would be amazing. Who knows, maybe Ron could bring that out of him?
Townsend is clearly very talented. But, he has no consistency whatsoever. Going for him just reminds me of all of those talented players we had in the championship under Burly. They had plenty of talent, but no drive or consistency at all. We really don't want players like that. We need more players like Ward Prowse , Clyne and Cork who are hungry, determined, the sort of players whose enthusiasm rubs off on their team mates. I just get the impression from Townsend, that besides the occasional spurts of motivation - when we've seen him play excellently, on the whole I think deep down he's just happy to sit on the bench at Spurs for most of the rest of his career. I might be wrong though, as with the right attitude he would be amazing. Who knows, maybe Ron could bring that out of him? St.Shakeshaft
  • Score: 0

12:37pm Wed 20 Aug 14

SouthLondonSaint says...

prawn89 wrote:
Really not impressed with the Jack Cork situation - he has been class since joining us. I remember especially at Fulham away last year he cam on at 0-0 at half time and we won 0-3. He replaced Wanyama and really quickened things up; he is always a tidy and efficient workhorse with no ego and can cover RB!

The price being muted is tiny AND Spider will clearly be leaving at some point. Seems stupid. Maybe with Taider he won't be getting game time so perhaps he wants to move to guarantee football - surely a loan move is better than losing yet another useful player for 3M?!
Couldn't agree more, Cork over Wanyama everyday for me. Was at the Fulham game and yeah as soon as the change was made it was like watching a different team. Disappointing not to see him more involved especially as he went to the same school as me :).

Also do we really need another midfielder? ? Winger yes. Striker yes. Centre back yes.
[quote][p][bold]prawn89[/bold] wrote: Really not impressed with the Jack Cork situation - he has been class since joining us. I remember especially at Fulham away last year he cam on at 0-0 at half time and we won 0-3. He replaced Wanyama and really quickened things up; he is always a tidy and efficient workhorse with no ego and can cover RB! The price being muted is tiny AND Spider will clearly be leaving at some point. Seems stupid. Maybe with Taider he won't be getting game time so perhaps he wants to move to guarantee football - surely a loan move is better than losing yet another useful player for 3M?![/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, Cork over Wanyama everyday for me. Was at the Fulham game and yeah as soon as the change was made it was like watching a different team. Disappointing not to see him more involved especially as he went to the same school as me :). Also do we really need another midfielder? ? Winger yes. Striker yes. Centre back yes. SouthLondonSaint
  • Score: 4

1:02pm Wed 20 Aug 14

saintbobby says...

SouthLondonSaint wrote:
prawn89 wrote:
Really not impressed with the Jack Cork situation - he has been class since joining us. I remember especially at Fulham away last year he cam on at 0-0 at half time and we won 0-3. He replaced Wanyama and really quickened things up; he is always a tidy and efficient workhorse with no ego and can cover RB!

The price being muted is tiny AND Spider will clearly be leaving at some point. Seems stupid. Maybe with Taider he won't be getting game time so perhaps he wants to move to guarantee football - surely a loan move is better than losing yet another useful player for 3M?!
Couldn't agree more, Cork over Wanyama everyday for me. Was at the Fulham game and yeah as soon as the change was made it was like watching a different team. Disappointing not to see him more involved especially as he went to the same school as me :).

Also do we really need another midfielder? ? Winger yes. Striker yes. Centre back yes.
Like most, I do want Jack Cork to leave, but for all it strictly. He has a short contract, the club do not seem to be sure and, as pointed out, does Jack want a new contract with Saints if he is not going to be a regular?

Wanyama was given good marks for his Anfield display and some in the papers and on here said he was our best player. He may give the ball away at times, but he is a tank and I bet quite a few do not like playing against him. A really strong influence and did we not all say how much he was missed when injured last season.

To say you prefer Jack any time is, I think, rather a sweeping statement.
Both players are very important to our squad.
[quote][p][bold]SouthLondonSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]prawn89[/bold] wrote: Really not impressed with the Jack Cork situation - he has been class since joining us. I remember especially at Fulham away last year he cam on at 0-0 at half time and we won 0-3. He replaced Wanyama and really quickened things up; he is always a tidy and efficient workhorse with no ego and can cover RB! The price being muted is tiny AND Spider will clearly be leaving at some point. Seems stupid. Maybe with Taider he won't be getting game time so perhaps he wants to move to guarantee football - surely a loan move is better than losing yet another useful player for 3M?![/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, Cork over Wanyama everyday for me. Was at the Fulham game and yeah as soon as the change was made it was like watching a different team. Disappointing not to see him more involved especially as he went to the same school as me :). Also do we really need another midfielder? ? Winger yes. Striker yes. Centre back yes.[/p][/quote]Like most, I do want Jack Cork to leave, but for all it strictly. He has a short contract, the club do not seem to be sure and, as pointed out, does Jack want a new contract with Saints if he is not going to be a regular? Wanyama was given good marks for his Anfield display and some in the papers and on here said he was our best player. He may give the ball away at times, but he is a tank and I bet quite a few do not like playing against him. A really strong influence and did we not all say how much he was missed when injured last season. To say you prefer Jack any time is, I think, rather a sweeping statement. Both players are very important to our squad. saintbobby
  • Score: 7

1:03pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

SouthLondonSaint wrote:
prawn89 wrote:
Really not impressed with the Jack Cork situation - he has been class since joining us. I remember especially at Fulham away last year he cam on at 0-0 at half time and we won 0-3. He replaced Wanyama and really quickened things up; he is always a tidy and efficient workhorse with no ego and can cover RB!

The price being muted is tiny AND Spider will clearly be leaving at some point. Seems stupid. Maybe with Taider he won't be getting game time so perhaps he wants to move to guarantee football - surely a loan move is better than losing yet another useful player for 3M?!
Couldn't agree more, Cork over Wanyama everyday for me. Was at the Fulham game and yeah as soon as the change was made it was like watching a different team. Disappointing not to see him more involved especially as he went to the same school as me :).

Also do we really need another midfielder? ? Winger yes. Striker yes. Centre back yes.
The HITC site says this about him: "Gonzalez offers versatility in the midfield as he can play in the middle, as a right winger or even a right-back if needed."
[quote][p][bold]SouthLondonSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]prawn89[/bold] wrote: Really not impressed with the Jack Cork situation - he has been class since joining us. I remember especially at Fulham away last year he cam on at 0-0 at half time and we won 0-3. He replaced Wanyama and really quickened things up; he is always a tidy and efficient workhorse with no ego and can cover RB! The price being muted is tiny AND Spider will clearly be leaving at some point. Seems stupid. Maybe with Taider he won't be getting game time so perhaps he wants to move to guarantee football - surely a loan move is better than losing yet another useful player for 3M?![/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, Cork over Wanyama everyday for me. Was at the Fulham game and yeah as soon as the change was made it was like watching a different team. Disappointing not to see him more involved especially as he went to the same school as me :). Also do we really need another midfielder? ? Winger yes. Striker yes. Centre back yes.[/p][/quote]The HITC site says this about him: "Gonzalez offers versatility in the midfield as he can play in the middle, as a right winger or even a right-back if needed." Rising_Son
  • Score: 3

1:06pm Wed 20 Aug 14

saintbobby says...

My first sentence above includes "but for all it strictly"

Just nonsense and predictive text has done something here which I cannot unravel!! Sorry.
My first sentence above includes "but for all it strictly" Just nonsense and predictive text has done something here which I cannot unravel!! Sorry. saintbobby
  • Score: 2

1:16pm Wed 20 Aug 14

drkensta says...

Cork did not get much preseason action so I guess that Koeman does not see him as fitting into the type team which he is trying to produce. Even under Pochettino he was not a regular first starter. I do think that he is a good footballer but if he had been that good or had a massive potential to develop into a top team player, Chelsea would not have let him go. It is better for his career that he transfers, and now is probably an optimum time for both himself and the "Club".
Cork did not get much preseason action so I guess that Koeman does not see him as fitting into the type team which he is trying to produce. Even under Pochettino he was not a regular first starter. I do think that he is a good footballer but if he had been that good or had a massive potential to develop into a top team player, Chelsea would not have let him go. It is better for his career that he transfers, and now is probably an optimum time for both himself and the "Club". drkensta
  • Score: 2

1:27pm Wed 20 Aug 14

tata4now says...

For me Alvaro seems a little over priced for what will be a 30 year old next month. i know we have money but dont really need to splash the cash, i would go with Scott Sinclair....cheaper, younger and does score goals. He is quick and would be motivated....just my thoughts
For me Alvaro seems a little over priced for what will be a 30 year old next month. i know we have money but dont really need to splash the cash, i would go with Scott Sinclair....cheaper, younger and does score goals. He is quick and would be motivated....just my thoughts tata4now
  • Score: 8

2:00pm Wed 20 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Les Miserables wrote:
Jack Cork is in my opinion a vital squad member - Message to Les Reed "Get Corky signed up on a new contract now"!
Letting him go would be unforgivable, he was easily one of our best and most consistent performers last season.
Agree with you, but I think we all need to cut the disrespect for Les Reed.

People still seem to be treating the guy like he's a clueless idiot, which is frankly unfair and disrespectful to someone who has arguably played a big role in our climb up the leagues and development of what is and continues to be a flourishing youth academy.

I know you're not intending to have a go, but I'm just a bit fed up of the 'orders to Les Reed' posts and flack he gets if a signing doesn't match our expectations, if the price is wrong or if we don't sign a particular target.

Let's give the guy a chance, because we at the very least should see how his replacements perform and whether we keep our other players before we question him or make any judgement.

At the moment the business he's done and decisions made, including the decision to play hardball with Morgan, seem not to be working out too badly, but at least give him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm a massive Cork fan and believe we should be utilising him as a utility player to fill in at centre back, right back and centre midfield (similar to how Arsenal view Chambers), but I can understand why Jack might see his opportunities as limited - I think he's too good to waste his career on the bench season after season.
[quote][p][bold]Les Miserables[/bold] wrote: Jack Cork is in my opinion a vital squad member - Message to Les Reed "Get Corky signed up on a new contract now"! Letting him go would be unforgivable, he was easily one of our best and most consistent performers last season.[/p][/quote]Agree with you, but I think we all need to cut the disrespect for Les Reed. People still seem to be treating the guy like he's a clueless idiot, which is frankly unfair and disrespectful to someone who has arguably played a big role in our climb up the leagues and development of what is and continues to be a flourishing youth academy. I know you're not intending to have a go, but I'm just a bit fed up of the 'orders to Les Reed' posts and flack he gets if a signing doesn't match our expectations, if the price is wrong or if we don't sign a particular target. Let's give the guy a chance, because we at the very least should see how his replacements perform and whether we keep our other players before we question him or make any judgement. At the moment the business he's done and decisions made, including the decision to play hardball with Morgan, seem not to be working out too badly, but at least give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm a massive Cork fan and believe we should be utilising him as a utility player to fill in at centre back, right back and centre midfield (similar to how Arsenal view Chambers), but I can understand why Jack might see his opportunities as limited - I think he's too good to waste his career on the bench season after season. SaintJD
  • Score: 23

2:05pm Wed 20 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

SouthLondonSaint wrote:
prawn89 wrote:
Really not impressed with the Jack Cork situation - he has been class since joining us. I remember especially at Fulham away last year he cam on at 0-0 at half time and we won 0-3. He replaced Wanyama and really quickened things up; he is always a tidy and efficient workhorse with no ego and can cover RB!

The price being muted is tiny AND Spider will clearly be leaving at some point. Seems stupid. Maybe with Taider he won't be getting game time so perhaps he wants to move to guarantee football - surely a loan move is better than losing yet another useful player for 3M?!
Couldn't agree more, Cork over Wanyama everyday for me. Was at the Fulham game and yeah as soon as the change was made it was like watching a different team. Disappointing not to see him more involved especially as he went to the same school as me :).

Also do we really need another midfielder? ? Winger yes. Striker yes. Centre back yes.
Agree bar the winger bit, although Ron obviously agrees with you. I don't think we need a winger, in fact, unless it's a winger who is happy to work his @rse off, I don't think it fits in with our style. We have Isgrove as an option and both he and Jay Rod can play wide attack, as can the majority of our attacking midfielders. Difference between them and what I'd call conventional wide attackers is that they are solid, creative and work hard - the likes of Punch, Townsend and other 'wingers' is that they tend not to work very hard.

That said, if we are intent on buying one, maybe the young West Brom lad fits the bill? Would take a big bid though.
[quote][p][bold]SouthLondonSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]prawn89[/bold] wrote: Really not impressed with the Jack Cork situation - he has been class since joining us. I remember especially at Fulham away last year he cam on at 0-0 at half time and we won 0-3. He replaced Wanyama and really quickened things up; he is always a tidy and efficient workhorse with no ego and can cover RB! The price being muted is tiny AND Spider will clearly be leaving at some point. Seems stupid. Maybe with Taider he won't be getting game time so perhaps he wants to move to guarantee football - surely a loan move is better than losing yet another useful player for 3M?![/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, Cork over Wanyama everyday for me. Was at the Fulham game and yeah as soon as the change was made it was like watching a different team. Disappointing not to see him more involved especially as he went to the same school as me :). Also do we really need another midfielder? ? Winger yes. Striker yes. Centre back yes.[/p][/quote]Agree bar the winger bit, although Ron obviously agrees with you. I don't think we need a winger, in fact, unless it's a winger who is happy to work his @rse off, I don't think it fits in with our style. We have Isgrove as an option and both he and Jay Rod can play wide attack, as can the majority of our attacking midfielders. Difference between them and what I'd call conventional wide attackers is that they are solid, creative and work hard - the likes of Punch, Townsend and other 'wingers' is that they tend not to work very hard. That said, if we are intent on buying one, maybe the young West Brom lad fits the bill? Would take a big bid though. SaintJD
  • Score: -1

2:30pm Wed 20 Aug 14

GHamilton says...

Always been a big fan of Jack Cork, if we let him go for £10M....that will qualify for being THE worst piece of business we've done in his year transfer market.
Always been a big fan of Jack Cork, if we let him go for £10M....that will qualify for being THE worst piece of business we've done in his year transfer market. GHamilton
  • Score: -7

3:11pm Wed 20 Aug 14

just kidding says...

SaintPC wrote:
The issue is that Cork wants first team football regularly and he isnt going to get into our starting 11 every week. So he wont sign a new contract - and all those saying that we should just sign him up need to understand that.

The second issue is that why would we just keep a squad player if he is not increasing the level of the whole squad, and also is blocking a younger player from moving into that squad position. The fact that no top 7 clubs are coming in for Jack Cork should say a lot, he isnt top 7 material and isnt that what we are all insisting on?

You cant say to the club that they are ambitious, and then with the same breath insist they sign a squad player who doesnt start to a new contract.

Dont get me wrong, I like Cork and think he has done a great job getting us to here. He wants to play every week, and he wont be playing every week with us. So 3m-5m for him now is good business in my eyes and opens the door to Harry Reed to show that he is the future
Exactly right! I really like Jack Cork and I would really like what is best for him. With his talent it can't be much fun sitting on the bench all the time. And for all the reasons you have mentioned above, it would only be fair on him to be playing all the time somewhere else. He would get the same respect as Ricky IMO.
[quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: The issue is that Cork wants first team football regularly and he isnt going to get into our starting 11 every week. So he wont sign a new contract - and all those saying that we should just sign him up need to understand that. The second issue is that why would we just keep a squad player if he is not increasing the level of the whole squad, and also is blocking a younger player from moving into that squad position. The fact that no top 7 clubs are coming in for Jack Cork should say a lot, he isnt top 7 material and isnt that what we are all insisting on? You cant say to the club that they are ambitious, and then with the same breath insist they sign a squad player who doesnt start to a new contract. Dont get me wrong, I like Cork and think he has done a great job getting us to here. He wants to play every week, and he wont be playing every week with us. So 3m-5m for him now is good business in my eyes and opens the door to Harry Reed to show that he is the future[/p][/quote]Exactly right! I really like Jack Cork and I would really like what is best for him. With his talent it can't be much fun sitting on the bench all the time. And for all the reasons you have mentioned above, it would only be fair on him to be playing all the time somewhere else. He would get the same respect as Ricky IMO. just kidding
  • Score: 6

3:26pm Wed 20 Aug 14

just kidding says...

And please don't bother with Townsend. Do we really want to deal with Spurs in any way other than kicking their f***ing As*** on the field. And lets not give up on Spider, he might surprise us.
And please don't bother with Townsend. Do we really want to deal with Spurs in any way other than kicking their f***ing As*** on the field. And lets not give up on Spider, he might surprise us. just kidding
  • Score: 12

4:07pm Wed 20 Aug 14

milton road says...

I like Jack as best as the next fan but to say you prefer him over Wanyama quoting the Fulham game where Wanyama was obviously still not full recovered or fit is unfair. In similar vein you could take Jack's first game against Villa at home which was poor as the yardstick to judge him by. Take away the Chelsea game where Buroc was injured, even take the Fulham game out if you want, then take the other 17 games Saints played with Buroc and Wanyama in the side together 2 defeats and 8 goals conceded. The only other game was Villa where Buroc was out and Wanyama fractured his leg and came off so I left that out as uncompleted.
Wanyame closes the midfield when the opposition gets the ball and breaks up their attacks as he showed very well at Liverpool. The best football we played all season was when Buroc and Wanyama were both playing and fit Work the stats how you want but that is what we come back to. Percentage of games played Wanyama appeared in less defeats than any player , who played an equal number of games or more. But for a couple of you I guess that is just coincidence.
Jack is a good squad player and as long as Morgan stays that is what he is and he may even be behind Taider now in the rankings.
No we don't want Townsend got lots of hype cos he played for Spurs, no thanks. Take the Columbian guy or Redmond.
Would hate to see jack go but that is where things realistically.
I like Jack as best as the next fan but to say you prefer him over Wanyama quoting the Fulham game where Wanyama was obviously still not full recovered or fit is unfair. In similar vein you could take Jack's first game against Villa at home which was poor as the yardstick to judge him by. Take away the Chelsea game where Buroc was injured, even take the Fulham game out if you want, then take the other 17 games Saints played with Buroc and Wanyama in the side together 2 defeats and 8 goals conceded. The only other game was Villa where Buroc was out and Wanyama fractured his leg and came off so I left that out as uncompleted. Wanyame closes the midfield when the opposition gets the ball and breaks up their attacks as he showed very well at Liverpool. The best football we played all season was when Buroc and Wanyama were both playing and fit Work the stats how you want but that is what we come back to. Percentage of games played Wanyama appeared in less defeats than any player , who played an equal number of games or more. But for a couple of you I guess that is just coincidence. Jack is a good squad player and as long as Morgan stays that is what he is and he may even be behind Taider now in the rankings. No we don't want Townsend got lots of hype cos he played for Spurs, no thanks. Take the Columbian guy or Redmond. Would hate to see jack go but that is where things realistically. milton road
  • Score: 8

4:41pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Saint Clements says...

Saint Viking wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
£15m plus first dibs on Morgan (which they won't ever get...)

I rate Townsend! He's definitely a pacey winger and also a match winner!
A match winner you say? One goal in thirty appearances for Spurs in the Premier League, twelve goals in 121 league appearances on loan to nine different clubs. One good game against Montenegro for England, hardly a European powerhouse. In total he's scored three Premier League goals in 42 games for Spurs & QPR. No thanks.
Can't argue with your stats. But, personally, I thought he was the best player on the pitch for successive England games. And given the chance to sign a 23-year-old who's achieved that is something I'd be over the moon with.
[quote][p][bold]Saint Viking[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: £15m plus first dibs on Morgan (which they won't ever get...) I rate Townsend! He's definitely a pacey winger and also a match winner![/p][/quote]A match winner you say? One goal in thirty appearances for Spurs in the Premier League, twelve goals in 121 league appearances on loan to nine different clubs. One good game against Montenegro for England, hardly a European powerhouse. In total he's scored three Premier League goals in 42 games for Spurs & QPR. No thanks.[/p][/quote]Can't argue with your stats. But, personally, I thought he was the best player on the pitch for successive England games. And given the chance to sign a 23-year-old who's achieved that is something I'd be over the moon with. Saint Clements
  • Score: 0

4:50pm Wed 20 Aug 14

mickey01 says...

no point swapping morgan for townsend !! he doesn't want to leave spurs so we would be getting rid of one unhappy player and replacing him with another unhappy one
no point swapping morgan for townsend !! he doesn't want to leave spurs so we would be getting rid of one unhappy player and replacing him with another unhappy one mickey01
  • Score: 4

5:03pm Wed 20 Aug 14

SpanishSaint says...

Personally I don't think Townsend is worth 10 Million as I did'nt think Shane Long was worth 12.5 Million, But I think I would prefer Long than Townsend.

Spider was so unlucky not to score on Sunday not once but twice, he was not full match form but I thought he played well considering, with him back to full form and all the other signings and the Youth programme I am hoping for a good season.
Personally I don't think Townsend is worth 10 Million as I did'nt think Shane Long was worth 12.5 Million, But I think I would prefer Long than Townsend. Spider was so unlucky not to score on Sunday not once but twice, he was not full match form but I thought he played well considering, with him back to full form and all the other signings and the Youth programme I am hoping for a good season. SpanishSaint
  • Score: 6

5:07pm Wed 20 Aug 14

SpanishSaint says...

As for the Jack Cork situation, I think we should try and hang on to him he always seems to give 100%. If he does go he is worth a lot more than 3 million!
As for the Jack Cork situation, I think we should try and hang on to him he always seems to give 100%. If he does go he is worth a lot more than 3 million! SpanishSaint
  • Score: 9

6:15pm Wed 20 Aug 14

techsture says...

Mackay wont get the Palace job. thats 100%
Mackay wont get the Palace job. thats 100% techsture
  • Score: 0

6:48pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Chapperall says...

Firstly I don't understand why we are looking at another midfielder unless we are considering selling Spider so we get Townsend. I hope this is not the case as Spider is key to the team as we saw on Sunday and besides that Townsend is injured too much and is not proven as a PL striker. If he's that good why aren't Spurs playing him!
I think we should stop talking to Spurs and look overseas as we get a better striker for less than Townsend. Or, what about Ings at Burnley as it looks they need to spend some money to survive.
Bottom line steer well clear of Spurs and the Argie judas as it will just be another kick in the teeth if spider goes there.
Firstly I don't understand why we are looking at another midfielder unless we are considering selling Spider so we get Townsend. I hope this is not the case as Spider is key to the team as we saw on Sunday and besides that Townsend is injured too much and is not proven as a PL striker. If he's that good why aren't Spurs playing him! I think we should stop talking to Spurs and look overseas as we get a better striker for less than Townsend. Or, what about Ings at Burnley as it looks they need to spend some money to survive. Bottom line steer well clear of Spurs and the Argie judas as it will just be another kick in the teeth if spider goes there. Chapperall
  • Score: 3

7:00pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Shareholder says...

montecristosaint wrote:
prawn89 wrote:
Really not impressed with the Jack Cork situation - he has been class since joining us. I remember especially at Fulham away last year he cam on at 0-0 at half time and we won 0-3. He replaced Wanyama and really quickened things up; he is always a tidy and efficient workhorse with no ego and can cover RB!

The price being muted is tiny AND Spider will clearly be leaving at some point. Seems stupid. Maybe with Taider he won't be getting game time so perhaps he wants to move to guarantee football - surely a loan move is better than losing yet another useful player for 3M?!
How would a loan move assist us when he is in the last year of his contract? For some reason the club doesnt seem to rate Jack, unlike the fans for whom he is a hero. The club s current administration isnt exactly popular, and I for one would be made up if Krueger and Reed were to quietly disappear. The have done so much damage, this summer will long persist in the annals of Saints disasters, the sale of Chambers made absolutely NO sense whatever. For that alone these two gentlemen should resign.
And that sir is why you're a supporter and not running a football club!
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]prawn89[/bold] wrote: Really not impressed with the Jack Cork situation - he has been class since joining us. I remember especially at Fulham away last year he cam on at 0-0 at half time and we won 0-3. He replaced Wanyama and really quickened things up; he is always a tidy and efficient workhorse with no ego and can cover RB! The price being muted is tiny AND Spider will clearly be leaving at some point. Seems stupid. Maybe with Taider he won't be getting game time so perhaps he wants to move to guarantee football - surely a loan move is better than losing yet another useful player for 3M?![/p][/quote]How would a loan move assist us when he is in the last year of his contract? For some reason the club doesnt seem to rate Jack, unlike the fans for whom he is a hero. The club s current administration isnt exactly popular, and I for one would be made up if Krueger and Reed were to quietly disappear. The have done so much damage, this summer will long persist in the annals of Saints disasters, the sale of Chambers made absolutely NO sense whatever. For that alone these two gentlemen should resign.[/p][/quote]And that sir is why you're a supporter and not running a football club! Shareholder
  • Score: 8

7:33pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

if we are building a squad full of quality to take saints to the next level then we do not want to be selling players like Schneiderlin or Corky to anyone let alone spuds who have already had too much from us in the past few seasons. First there was Bale and the cheap release of his percentage sell on fee and then Poch and jesus. Spuds can do one and I don't care if they won't sell us Townsend. We can do without him but not Schneiderlin ffs!!!!!
if we are building a squad full of quality to take saints to the next level then we do not want to be selling players like Schneiderlin or Corky to anyone let alone spuds who have already had too much from us in the past few seasons. First there was Bale and the cheap release of his percentage sell on fee and then Poch and jesus. Spuds can do one and I don't care if they won't sell us Townsend. We can do without him but not Schneiderlin ffs!!!!! Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 2

7:40pm Wed 20 Aug 14

BarnetSaint says...

Spuds cast offs?
No thanks. They have nothing available that would improve our squad.
Levy and his pooch can look elsewhere for players.
Spuds cast offs? No thanks. They have nothing available that would improve our squad. Levy and his pooch can look elsewhere for players. BarnetSaint
  • Score: 3

8:10pm Wed 20 Aug 14

north wales saint 2 says...

On a different thread Mo Po giving interviews today on sky sports in English.What a kick in the teeth for us and I feel was done in the contempt he felt for our beloved Saints.Hope Levy goes true to form and sacks him A S A P. What a pleasure to have a true and honest gentleman as our manager.
On a different thread Mo Po giving interviews today on sky sports in English.What a kick in the teeth for us and I feel was done in the contempt he felt for our beloved Saints.Hope Levy goes true to form and sacks him A S A P. What a pleasure to have a true and honest gentleman as our manager. north wales saint 2
  • Score: 4

8:16pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

Saint Viking wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
£15m plus first dibs on Morgan (which they won't ever get...)

I rate Townsend! He's definitely a pacey winger and also a match winner!
A match winner you say? One goal in thirty appearances for Spurs in the Premier League, twelve goals in 121 league appearances on loan to nine different clubs. One good game against Montenegro for England, hardly a European powerhouse. In total he's scored three Premier League goals in 42 games for Spurs & QPR. No thanks.
Absolutely agree. Townsend and Spider simply should never be mentioned in the same sentence. He is a one trick pony, just gets his head down and runs at defenders, and generally loses the ball. Spuds can keep him and we'll keep Spider thanks. No harm going along with it though and then pulling the plug and waving two fingers at the deceitful Argie and his truly horrible, arrogant boss.
[quote][p][bold]Saint Viking[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: £15m plus first dibs on Morgan (which they won't ever get...) I rate Townsend! He's definitely a pacey winger and also a match winner![/p][/quote]A match winner you say? One goal in thirty appearances for Spurs in the Premier League, twelve goals in 121 league appearances on loan to nine different clubs. One good game against Montenegro for England, hardly a European powerhouse. In total he's scored three Premier League goals in 42 games for Spurs & QPR. No thanks.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree. Townsend and Spider simply should never be mentioned in the same sentence. He is a one trick pony, just gets his head down and runs at defenders, and generally loses the ball. Spuds can keep him and we'll keep Spider thanks. No harm going along with it though and then pulling the plug and waving two fingers at the deceitful Argie and his truly horrible, arrogant boss. Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

8:36pm Wed 20 Aug 14

damoose says...

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Yep http://www.mirror.co .uk/sport/football/n ews/england-must-fol low-southampton-purs uit-4080583? damoose
  • Score: 2

9:21pm Wed 20 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Saint Viking wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
£15m plus first dibs on Morgan (which they won't ever get...)

I rate Townsend! He's definitely a pacey winger and also a match winner!
A match winner you say? One goal in thirty appearances for Spurs in the Premier League, twelve goals in 121 league appearances on loan to nine different clubs. One good game against Montenegro for England, hardly a European powerhouse. In total he's scored three Premier League goals in 42 games for Spurs & QPR. No thanks.
He's forever injured - Awful value for money.
[quote][p][bold]Saint Viking[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: £15m plus first dibs on Morgan (which they won't ever get...) I rate Townsend! He's definitely a pacey winger and also a match winner![/p][/quote]A match winner you say? One goal in thirty appearances for Spurs in the Premier League, twelve goals in 121 league appearances on loan to nine different clubs. One good game against Montenegro for England, hardly a European powerhouse. In total he's scored three Premier League goals in 42 games for Spurs & QPR. No thanks.[/p][/quote]He's forever injured - Awful value for money. jls217
  • Score: 2

9:33pm Wed 20 Aug 14

jls217 says...

SaintJD wrote:
Les Miserables wrote:
Jack Cork is in my opinion a vital squad member - Message to Les Reed "Get Corky signed up on a new contract now"!
Letting him go would be unforgivable, he was easily one of our best and most consistent performers last season.
Agree with you, but I think we all need to cut the disrespect for Les Reed.

People still seem to be treating the guy like he's a clueless idiot, which is frankly unfair and disrespectful to someone who has arguably played a big role in our climb up the leagues and development of what is and continues to be a flourishing youth academy.

I know you're not intending to have a go, but I'm just a bit fed up of the 'orders to Les Reed' posts and flack he gets if a signing doesn't match our expectations, if the price is wrong or if we don't sign a particular target.

Let's give the guy a chance, because we at the very least should see how his replacements perform and whether we keep our other players before we question him or make any judgement.

At the moment the business he's done and decisions made, including the decision to play hardball with Morgan, seem not to be working out too badly, but at least give him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm a massive Cork fan and believe we should be utilising him as a utility player to fill in at centre back, right back and centre midfield (similar to how Arsenal view Chambers), but I can understand why Jack might see his opportunities as limited - I think he's too good to waste his career on the bench season after season.
Agree with you mate it is way past time to ease up on Les. He may not be perfect but he has been through what at times must have seemed a no win situation and he played a large part in ensuring it is ending with the fans smiling again. I think he has been a quietly re-assuring figure during our fight back and he's still here working for the club when those who started this mess have long since moved on.
I think Jack is a great asset to this club but if he wants to kick start his career elsewhere or the decision makers at the club feel he is surplus to requirement then he will be sold on.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Les Miserables[/bold] wrote: Jack Cork is in my opinion a vital squad member - Message to Les Reed "Get Corky signed up on a new contract now"! Letting him go would be unforgivable, he was easily one of our best and most consistent performers last season.[/p][/quote]Agree with you, but I think we all need to cut the disrespect for Les Reed. People still seem to be treating the guy like he's a clueless idiot, which is frankly unfair and disrespectful to someone who has arguably played a big role in our climb up the leagues and development of what is and continues to be a flourishing youth academy. I know you're not intending to have a go, but I'm just a bit fed up of the 'orders to Les Reed' posts and flack he gets if a signing doesn't match our expectations, if the price is wrong or if we don't sign a particular target. Let's give the guy a chance, because we at the very least should see how his replacements perform and whether we keep our other players before we question him or make any judgement. At the moment the business he's done and decisions made, including the decision to play hardball with Morgan, seem not to be working out too badly, but at least give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm a massive Cork fan and believe we should be utilising him as a utility player to fill in at centre back, right back and centre midfield (similar to how Arsenal view Chambers), but I can understand why Jack might see his opportunities as limited - I think he's too good to waste his career on the bench season after season.[/p][/quote]Agree with you mate it is way past time to ease up on Les. He may not be perfect but he has been through what at times must have seemed a no win situation and he played a large part in ensuring it is ending with the fans smiling again. I think he has been a quietly re-assuring figure during our fight back and he's still here working for the club when those who started this mess have long since moved on. I think Jack is a great asset to this club but if he wants to kick start his career elsewhere or the decision makers at the club feel he is surplus to requirement then he will be sold on. jls217
  • Score: 2

9:40pm Wed 20 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Shareholder wrote:
montecristosaint wrote:
prawn89 wrote:
Really not impressed with the Jack Cork situation - he has been class since joining us. I remember especially at Fulham away last year he cam on at 0-0 at half time and we won 0-3. He replaced Wanyama and really quickened things up; he is always a tidy and efficient workhorse with no ego and can cover RB!

The price being muted is tiny AND Spider will clearly be leaving at some point. Seems stupid. Maybe with Taider he won't be getting game time so perhaps he wants to move to guarantee football - surely a loan move is better than losing yet another useful player for 3M?!
How would a loan move assist us when he is in the last year of his contract? For some reason the club doesnt seem to rate Jack, unlike the fans for whom he is a hero. The club s current administration isnt exactly popular, and I for one would be made up if Krueger and Reed were to quietly disappear. The have done so much damage, this summer will long persist in the annals of Saints disasters, the sale of Chambers made absolutely NO sense whatever. For that alone these two gentlemen should resign.
And that sir is why you're a supporter and not running a football club!
Funny that I said exactly the same thing a while back - great retort and right on the button too.
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]prawn89[/bold] wrote: Really not impressed with the Jack Cork situation - he has been class since joining us. I remember especially at Fulham away last year he cam on at 0-0 at half time and we won 0-3. He replaced Wanyama and really quickened things up; he is always a tidy and efficient workhorse with no ego and can cover RB! The price being muted is tiny AND Spider will clearly be leaving at some point. Seems stupid. Maybe with Taider he won't be getting game time so perhaps he wants to move to guarantee football - surely a loan move is better than losing yet another useful player for 3M?![/p][/quote]How would a loan move assist us when he is in the last year of his contract? For some reason the club doesnt seem to rate Jack, unlike the fans for whom he is a hero. The club s current administration isnt exactly popular, and I for one would be made up if Krueger and Reed were to quietly disappear. The have done so much damage, this summer will long persist in the annals of Saints disasters, the sale of Chambers made absolutely NO sense whatever. For that alone these two gentlemen should resign.[/p][/quote]And that sir is why you're a supporter and not running a football club![/p][/quote]Funny that I said exactly the same thing a while back - great retort and right on the button too. jls217
  • Score: 3

9:41pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

milton road wrote:
I like Jack as best as the next fan but to say you prefer him over Wanyama quoting the Fulham game where Wanyama was obviously still not full recovered or fit is unfair. In similar vein you could take Jack's first game against Villa at home which was poor as the yardstick to judge him by. Take away the Chelsea game where Buroc was injured, even take the Fulham game out if you want, then take the other 17 games Saints played with Buroc and Wanyama in the side together 2 defeats and 8 goals conceded. The only other game was Villa where Buroc was out and Wanyama fractured his leg and came off so I left that out as uncompleted.
Wanyame closes the midfield when the opposition gets the ball and breaks up their attacks as he showed very well at Liverpool. The best football we played all season was when Buroc and Wanyama were both playing and fit Work the stats how you want but that is what we come back to. Percentage of games played Wanyama appeared in less defeats than any player , who played an equal number of games or more. But for a couple of you I guess that is just coincidence.
Jack is a good squad player and as long as Morgan stays that is what he is and he may even be behind Taider now in the rankings.
No we don't want Townsend got lots of hype cos he played for Spurs, no thanks. Take the Columbian guy or Redmond.
Would hate to see jack go but that is where things realistically.
Every time we get a bit of strength in depth somewhere on the park we seem to want to weaken it. Wanyama and Cork are both massive parts of the squad and which one should play depends on who we're up against.
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: I like Jack as best as the next fan but to say you prefer him over Wanyama quoting the Fulham game where Wanyama was obviously still not full recovered or fit is unfair. In similar vein you could take Jack's first game against Villa at home which was poor as the yardstick to judge him by. Take away the Chelsea game where Buroc was injured, even take the Fulham game out if you want, then take the other 17 games Saints played with Buroc and Wanyama in the side together 2 defeats and 8 goals conceded. The only other game was Villa where Buroc was out and Wanyama fractured his leg and came off so I left that out as uncompleted. Wanyame closes the midfield when the opposition gets the ball and breaks up their attacks as he showed very well at Liverpool. The best football we played all season was when Buroc and Wanyama were both playing and fit Work the stats how you want but that is what we come back to. Percentage of games played Wanyama appeared in less defeats than any player , who played an equal number of games or more. But for a couple of you I guess that is just coincidence. Jack is a good squad player and as long as Morgan stays that is what he is and he may even be behind Taider now in the rankings. No we don't want Townsend got lots of hype cos he played for Spurs, no thanks. Take the Columbian guy or Redmond. Would hate to see jack go but that is where things realistically.[/p][/quote]Every time we get a bit of strength in depth somewhere on the park we seem to want to weaken it. Wanyama and Cork are both massive parts of the squad and which one should play depends on who we're up against. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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9:58pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
milton road wrote:
I like Jack as best as the next fan but to say you prefer him over Wanyama quoting the Fulham game where Wanyama was obviously still not full recovered or fit is unfair. In similar vein you could take Jack's first game against Villa at home which was poor as the yardstick to judge him by. Take away the Chelsea game where Buroc was injured, even take the Fulham game out if you want, then take the other 17 games Saints played with Buroc and Wanyama in the side together 2 defeats and 8 goals conceded. The only other game was Villa where Buroc was out and Wanyama fractured his leg and came off so I left that out as uncompleted.
Wanyame closes the midfield when the opposition gets the ball and breaks up their attacks as he showed very well at Liverpool. The best football we played all season was when Buroc and Wanyama were both playing and fit Work the stats how you want but that is what we come back to. Percentage of games played Wanyama appeared in less defeats than any player , who played an equal number of games or more. But for a couple of you I guess that is just coincidence.
Jack is a good squad player and as long as Morgan stays that is what he is and he may even be behind Taider now in the rankings.
No we don't want Townsend got lots of hype cos he played for Spurs, no thanks. Take the Columbian guy or Redmond.
Would hate to see jack go but that is where things realistically.
Every time we get a bit of strength in depth somewhere on the park we seem to want to weaken it. Wanyama and Cork are both massive parts of the squad and which one should play depends on who we're up against.
I have to agree, Seed and, like most on here, would hate to see Jack leave. Alas, he doesn't seem to be getting the game time he wants (or deserves) and seems unlikely to sign a new contract. And, as a couple of others above said, if we're going to bring players like JWP and Harrison Reed through, something has to give.

Of course, a side issue to Jack is what Morgan does now or perhaps at Christmas and whether the unlikely link with Clasie comes to anything.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: I like Jack as best as the next fan but to say you prefer him over Wanyama quoting the Fulham game where Wanyama was obviously still not full recovered or fit is unfair. In similar vein you could take Jack's first game against Villa at home which was poor as the yardstick to judge him by. Take away the Chelsea game where Buroc was injured, even take the Fulham game out if you want, then take the other 17 games Saints played with Buroc and Wanyama in the side together 2 defeats and 8 goals conceded. The only other game was Villa where Buroc was out and Wanyama fractured his leg and came off so I left that out as uncompleted. Wanyame closes the midfield when the opposition gets the ball and breaks up their attacks as he showed very well at Liverpool. The best football we played all season was when Buroc and Wanyama were both playing and fit Work the stats how you want but that is what we come back to. Percentage of games played Wanyama appeared in less defeats than any player , who played an equal number of games or more. But for a couple of you I guess that is just coincidence. Jack is a good squad player and as long as Morgan stays that is what he is and he may even be behind Taider now in the rankings. No we don't want Townsend got lots of hype cos he played for Spurs, no thanks. Take the Columbian guy or Redmond. Would hate to see jack go but that is where things realistically.[/p][/quote]Every time we get a bit of strength in depth somewhere on the park we seem to want to weaken it. Wanyama and Cork are both massive parts of the squad and which one should play depends on who we're up against.[/p][/quote]I have to agree, Seed and, like most on here, would hate to see Jack leave. Alas, he doesn't seem to be getting the game time he wants (or deserves) and seems unlikely to sign a new contract. And, as a couple of others above said, if we're going to bring players like JWP and Harrison Reed through, something has to give. Of course, a side issue to Jack is what Morgan does now or perhaps at Christmas and whether the unlikely link with Clasie comes to anything. Strasbourg Saint
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10:00pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

damoose wrote:
Yep

http://www.mirror.co

.uk/sport/football/n

ews/england-must-fol

low-southampton-purs

uit-4080583?
Thanks, Damoose. An interesting article and well worth a read.
[quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: Yep http://www.mirror.co .uk/sport/football/n ews/england-must-fol low-southampton-purs uit-4080583?[/p][/quote]Thanks, Damoose. An interesting article and well worth a read. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 1

12:41am Thu 21 Aug 14

techsture says...

Bid £15 million for Welbeck and thank me later.
Bid £15 million for Welbeck and thank me later. techsture
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8:57am Thu 21 Aug 14

Simms1 says...

Now Swansea + Leicester-each with a £5 million bid for Cork.

Swansea is an interesting one as I think they will finish above Saints this year. A very good side. Perhaps Cork suits their style of play better, we were a bit long ball on Sunday at times on to Pele's head (....in theory as he didn't win anything!) and it is difficult to pass through the midfield with Wanyama playing as he is very solid defensively but can't pass for toffee.
Now Swansea + Leicester-each with a £5 million bid for Cork. Swansea is an interesting one as I think they will finish above Saints this year. A very good side. Perhaps Cork suits their style of play better, we were a bit long ball on Sunday at times on to Pele's head (....in theory as he didn't win anything!) and it is difficult to pass through the midfield with Wanyama playing as he is very solid defensively but can't pass for toffee. Simms1
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