RUMOUR MILL, August 5 - Spurs offer Romanian defender to Saints as makeweight in Schneiderlin deal

Vlad Chiriches in action for Tottenham last season

Vlad Chiriches in action for Tottenham last season

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TOTTENHAM have reportedly offered Romanian defender Vlad Chiriches to Saints as a makeweight in any deal to sign Morgan Schneiderlin.

Spurs only signed the 24-year-old centre half from Steaua Bucharest last summer for £8.5m, and he went on to play 24 times for the London club in all competitions.

There is also speculation today that Louis Van Gaal will consider selling striker Javier Hernandez.

The Mexican international has continually been linked with Saints all summer, even before Ronald Koeman’s arrival as manager.

The 26-year-old has scored 37 Premier League goals for United in 48 starts plus 53 sub appearances in his four seasons at Old Trafford.

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8:49am Tue 5 Aug 14

Costa Baz says...

http://redsloscf.blo
gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP Costa Baz
  • Score: 18

8:50am Tue 5 Aug 14

Chipmonk1 says...

No thanks
No thanks Chipmonk1
  • Score: 28

9:02am Tue 5 Aug 14

Outside of the Box says...

Now Poch is really taking the Pi55
Now Poch is really taking the Pi55 Outside of the Box
  • Score: 32

9:06am Tue 5 Aug 14

David Crook says...

Spurs go away,and all other clubs,just leave SOUTHAMPTON F.C alone now, we have had enough now.
Spurs go away,and all other clubs,just leave SOUTHAMPTON F.C alone now, we have had enough now. David Crook
  • Score: 54

9:07am Tue 5 Aug 14

costa gaz says...

Spurs are not giving up on getting Schniederlin, it's not as if our board have give them any encouragement is it.
Before September an acceptable bid will be made to test the boards resolve.
Spurs are not giving up on getting Schniederlin, it's not as if our board have give them any encouragement is it. Before September an acceptable bid will be made to test the boards resolve. costa gaz
  • Score: 21

9:07am Tue 5 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

Dopey Levy. Morgan is not for sale, especially to a bunch of shysters like Spuds. Don't bother offering us any players, if you have any we want we'll ask. Do't you have better things to do like preparing the dismissal of the lying deceitful Argie.
Dopey Levy. Morgan is not for sale, especially to a bunch of shysters like Spuds. Don't bother offering us any players, if you have any we want we'll ask. Do't you have better things to do like preparing the dismissal of the lying deceitful Argie. Clever Dick
  • Score: 35

9:18am Tue 5 Aug 14

InsideOutCat says...

Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo

gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Very interesting indeed. There's quite a lot a lot of (apparently educated) guesswork in the maths, but it does make sense, and probably even more sense in the boardroom where their minds are much more geared to this sort of thinking.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Very interesting indeed. There's quite a lot a lot of (apparently educated) guesswork in the maths, but it does make sense, and probably even more sense in the boardroom where their minds are much more geared to this sort of thinking. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 16

9:19am Tue 5 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Dopey Levy. Morgan is not for sale, especially to a bunch of shysters like Spuds. Don't bother offering us any players, if you have any we want we'll ask. Do't you have better things to do like preparing the dismissal of the lying deceitful Argie.
I hope you are right but I fear that the signing of more midfielders indicates that Morgan will be sold, just hope it is not to Spurs.

Also don't think Chiriches is good enough, certainly no better than Hoover or Fonte, we need TWO better CB's.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Dopey Levy. Morgan is not for sale, especially to a bunch of shysters like Spuds. Don't bother offering us any players, if you have any we want we'll ask. Do't you have better things to do like preparing the dismissal of the lying deceitful Argie.[/p][/quote]I hope you are right but I fear that the signing of more midfielders indicates that Morgan will be sold, just hope it is not to Spurs. Also don't think Chiriches is good enough, certainly no better than Hoover or Fonte, we need TWO better CB's. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 5

9:22am Tue 5 Aug 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Les will take it.yeah slowly but surely this board is putting the pieces together, ha ha.i have never seen such a poorly managed player exodus.let them all go and then try and stop it because the supporters got rowdy.they will sell Morgan and they wanted to sell j rod but for supporter reactions.if we were all as docile as the Xanax brigade les would have sold the lot.he sold half of our outfield team so he gave it a good go,the knob.
Les will take it.yeah slowly but surely this board is putting the pieces together, ha ha.i have never seen such a poorly managed player exodus.let them all go and then try and stop it because the supporters got rowdy.they will sell Morgan and they wanted to sell j rod but for supporter reactions.if we were all as docile as the Xanax brigade les would have sold the lot.he sold half of our outfield team so he gave it a good go,the knob. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 44

9:31am Tue 5 Aug 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

There's a good article on the BBC from Ben Smith about Saints. It highlights Lallana as the main lynch pin and how we handled him badly and after that the others wanting to leave was nailed on. Apparently no efforts were made to try and get Lallana to stay which I find strange.

Saints do have ambition the trouble is the perception is very much the opposite. We should have signed players before letting any go for starters.

Now we look to the future. Signing Hernandez would be a big big signing for Saints and actually surprise many. Forster in goal and Van Djyk from Celtic would then strengthen the team. Then we will start looking stronger.

Will Morgan be sold after the statements from Kruegar? Has this statement been made to insure Spurs pay top price for him and maybe the offer of players in return is a sign that they accept it is going to hard to prize him away. Saints have said all along they would be prepared to keep an unhappy player if their premium valuation was not met. Spurs will not get him on the cheap.
There's a good article on the BBC from Ben Smith about Saints. It highlights Lallana as the main lynch pin and how we handled him badly and after that the others wanting to leave was nailed on. Apparently no efforts were made to try and get Lallana to stay which I find strange. Saints do have ambition the trouble is the perception is very much the opposite. We should have signed players before letting any go for starters. Now we look to the future. Signing Hernandez would be a big big signing for Saints and actually surprise many. Forster in goal and Van Djyk from Celtic would then strengthen the team. Then we will start looking stronger. Will Morgan be sold after the statements from Kruegar? Has this statement been made to insure Spurs pay top price for him and maybe the offer of players in return is a sign that they accept it is going to hard to prize him away. Saints have said all along they would be prepared to keep an unhappy player if their premium valuation was not met. Spurs will not get him on the cheap. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: -4

9:31am Tue 5 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo

gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Just why this gent has decided (recently, it seems) to become interested in the affairs of Saints we can only guess. Nevertheless it makes interesting reading and even if the figures aren't wholly accurate (and they can't be, using the only source he has for those figures) it tells a tale for those wishing to persevere with it. There will be many who will struggle to follow it - please try.
Those who consider the back room boys *****, *******, or *****, or any of the other colourful Anglo Saxon labels they wish to stick on people them moment something happens which is beyond their ken or power of reasoning may wish reconsider that at the back of this team there are some very clued up beancounters and everything is happening for a sound financial reason. Loans suddenly seem to make sound sense. Of course this blog may just be a load of old blx too. You read, you decide.
But it's a lot easier to just type the first thing that comes into your minds than it is to sit back, take a deep breath and read about what, maybe just maybe, alternative reasons there are for the management team to be doing what it is they are doing. Thanks Costa - I'll be following this fella to see what else he comes up with.
,
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Just why this gent has decided (recently, it seems) to become interested in the affairs of Saints we can only guess. Nevertheless it makes interesting reading and even if the figures aren't wholly accurate (and they can't be, using the only source he has for those figures) it tells a tale for those wishing to persevere with it. There will be many who will struggle to follow it - please try. Those who consider the back room boys *****, *******, or *****, or any of the other colourful Anglo Saxon labels they wish to stick on people them moment something happens which is beyond their ken or power of reasoning may wish reconsider that at the back of this team there are some very clued up beancounters and everything is happening for a sound financial reason. Loans suddenly seem to make sound sense. Of course this blog may just be a load of old blx too. You read, you decide. But it's a lot easier to just type the first thing that comes into your minds than it is to sit back, take a deep breath and read about what, maybe just maybe, alternative reasons there are for the management team to be doing what it is they are doing. Thanks Costa - I'll be following this fella to see what else he comes up with. , jls217
  • Score: 12

9:31am Tue 5 Aug 14

Ozmosis says...

This will be the test for many fans. If Morgan is sold, despite assurances from almost the top that he isn't for sale then I'd expect a huge backlash. If the board thought it was bad before then just wait...
This will be the test for many fans. If Morgan is sold, despite assurances from almost the top that he isn't for sale then I'd expect a huge backlash. If the board thought it was bad before then just wait... Ozmosis
  • Score: 17

9:32am Tue 5 Aug 14

devonsaint2 says...

As a Saints fan for 49 yrs I am excited by this season...Players always leave, albeit not usually so many in one go. ( I think there was a huge amount of indoctrination by Cortese and with his press connections things just spiralled).
New SEASON...
I would be pleased to see the following team start |( if we can get the Celtic 2 )
Forster ( understudy Boruc/Davis )

Clyne ( ) Fonte, ( Yoshida) Van Dyk ( Hooiveld) Bertrand(Targett)

Wanyama ( )

Dusan ( Taider) , Davis ( WP), Cork( Reed),
Ramirez ( Jayrod / Mc Queen)
Pelle ( Gallagher )


Not included Morgan.
As a Saints fan for 49 yrs I am excited by this season...Players always leave, albeit not usually so many in one go. ( I think there was a huge amount of indoctrination by Cortese and with his press connections things just spiralled). New SEASON... I would be pleased to see the following team start |( if we can get the Celtic 2 ) Forster ( understudy Boruc/Davis ) Clyne ( ) Fonte, ( Yoshida) Van Dyk ( Hooiveld) Bertrand(Targett) Wanyama ( ) Dusan ( Taider) , Davis ( WP), Cork( Reed), Ramirez ( Jayrod / Mc Queen) Pelle ( Gallagher ) Not included Morgan. devonsaint2
  • Score: 8

9:32am Tue 5 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up.

Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense.

I hope so.
Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so. Alicesdad
  • Score: 15

9:34am Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

costa gaz wrote:
Spurs are not giving up on getting Schniederlin, it's not as if our board have give them any encouragement is it.
Before September an acceptable bid will be made to test the boards resolve.
If track records are anything to go on then my money is on Levy and not Les. Les has lost every single battle so far.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Spurs are not giving up on getting Schniederlin, it's not as if our board have give them any encouragement is it. Before September an acceptable bid will be made to test the boards resolve.[/p][/quote]If track records are anything to go on then my money is on Levy and not Les. Les has lost every single battle so far. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

9:35am Tue 5 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Les will take it.yeah slowly but surely this board is putting the pieces together, ha ha.i have never seen such a poorly managed player exodus.let them all go and then try and stop it because the supporters got rowdy.they will sell Morgan and they wanted to sell j rod but for supporter reactions.if we were all as docile as the Xanax brigade les would have sold the lot.he sold half of our outfield team so he gave it a good go,the knob.
Sammy two heads - Morning Sammy - off to a good start this morning mate.
Thanks for your thoughts as puerile as they are.

No matter what is happening it is happening for the greater good or the best reason of all which is no choice. Get over it mate - you'll lbe much happier in the long run.

This advice only offered because we worry for your future wellibeing.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Les will take it.yeah slowly but surely this board is putting the pieces together, ha ha.i have never seen such a poorly managed player exodus.let them all go and then try and stop it because the supporters got rowdy.they will sell Morgan and they wanted to sell j rod but for supporter reactions.if we were all as docile as the Xanax brigade les would have sold the lot.he sold half of our outfield team so he gave it a good go,the knob.[/p][/quote]Sammy two heads - Morning Sammy - off to a good start this morning mate. Thanks for your thoughts as puerile as they are. No matter what is happening it is happening for the greater good or the best reason of all which is no choice. Get over it mate - you'll lbe much happier in the long run. This advice only offered because we worry for your future wellibeing. jls217
  • Score: -41

9:36am Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up.

Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense.

I hope so.
If Morgan goes then Krueger's position becomes totally untenable and he will have to go to.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so.[/p][/quote]If Morgan goes then Krueger's position becomes totally untenable and he will have to go to. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 20

9:38am Tue 5 Aug 14

InsideOutCat says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up.

Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense.

I hope so.
The fact that make-weights keep (allegedly) being offered seems to indicate that Spurs are struggling to come up with the money for a serious cash bid.

There may be a bit of lazy journalism here, since it's very easy to generate (just) enough circumstantial evidence to suggest that any recently arrived manager is going to return to his former side in the search for signings. Just look at Ron's arrival with us and all the accompanying rumours that he was going to sign every player in the Eredivisie.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so.[/p][/quote]The fact that make-weights keep (allegedly) being offered seems to indicate that Spurs are struggling to come up with the money for a serious cash bid. There may be a bit of lazy journalism here, since it's very easy to generate (just) enough circumstantial evidence to suggest that any recently arrived manager is going to return to his former side in the search for signings. Just look at Ron's arrival with us and all the accompanying rumours that he was going to sign every player in the Eredivisie. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 4

9:41am Tue 5 Aug 14

Electrostar says...

We have to stand firm on Morgan and show that the clubs are in charge not the players.
We have to stand firm on Morgan and show that the clubs are in charge not the players. Electrostar
  • Score: 24

9:45am Tue 5 Aug 14

InsideOutCat says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
There's a good article on the BBC from Ben Smith about Saints. It highlights Lallana as the main lynch pin and how we handled him badly and after that the others wanting to leave was nailed on. Apparently no efforts were made to try and get Lallana to stay which I find strange.

Saints do have ambition the trouble is the perception is very much the opposite. We should have signed players before letting any go for starters.

Now we look to the future. Signing Hernandez would be a big big signing for Saints and actually surprise many. Forster in goal and Van Djyk from Celtic would then strengthen the team. Then we will start looking stronger.

Will Morgan be sold after the statements from Kruegar? Has this statement been made to insure Spurs pay top price for him and maybe the offer of players in return is a sign that they accept it is going to hard to prize him away. Saints have said all along they would be prepared to keep an unhappy player if their premium valuation was not met. Spurs will not get him on the cheap.
I read this article too and was interested to read the author's assertion that Lallana was universally admired and held the dressing room together through the strength of his personality. There don't seem to be too many other articles around that share this perspective, and the claim didn't appear to be borne out on the pitch on the occasions that Pochettino (for reasons we didn't understand then but perhaps have a better inkiling of now) gave him the captain's armband. I think maybe things make more sense if the hypothesis put forward on the link provided by Costa Baz is taken into consideration.

There will be those who refuse to believe a word of it for no better reason than that they're determined not to believe a word of it. However it does present a reasoned and researched argument in favour of one possible explanation.
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: There's a good article on the BBC from Ben Smith about Saints. It highlights Lallana as the main lynch pin and how we handled him badly and after that the others wanting to leave was nailed on. Apparently no efforts were made to try and get Lallana to stay which I find strange. Saints do have ambition the trouble is the perception is very much the opposite. We should have signed players before letting any go for starters. Now we look to the future. Signing Hernandez would be a big big signing for Saints and actually surprise many. Forster in goal and Van Djyk from Celtic would then strengthen the team. Then we will start looking stronger. Will Morgan be sold after the statements from Kruegar? Has this statement been made to insure Spurs pay top price for him and maybe the offer of players in return is a sign that they accept it is going to hard to prize him away. Saints have said all along they would be prepared to keep an unhappy player if their premium valuation was not met. Spurs will not get him on the cheap.[/p][/quote]I read this article too and was interested to read the author's assertion that Lallana was universally admired and held the dressing room together through the strength of his personality. There don't seem to be too many other articles around that share this perspective, and the claim didn't appear to be borne out on the pitch on the occasions that Pochettino (for reasons we didn't understand then but perhaps have a better inkiling of now) gave him the captain's armband. I think maybe things make more sense if the hypothesis put forward on the link provided by Costa Baz is taken into consideration. There will be those who refuse to believe a word of it for no better reason than that they're determined not to believe a word of it. However it does present a reasoned and researched argument in favour of one possible explanation. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 15

9:46am Tue 5 Aug 14

Sammy2sheds says...

jls217 wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Les will take it.yeah slowly but surely this board is putting the pieces together, ha ha.i have never seen such a poorly managed player exodus.let them all go and then try and stop it because the supporters got rowdy.they will sell Morgan and they wanted to sell j rod but for supporter reactions.if we were all as docile as the Xanax brigade les would have sold the lot.he sold half of our outfield team so he gave it a good go,the knob.
Sammy two heads - Morning Sammy - off to a good start this morning mate.
Thanks for your thoughts as puerile as they are.

No matter what is happening it is happening for the greater good or the best reason of all which is no choice. Get over it mate - you'll lbe much happier in the long run.

This advice only offered because we worry for your future wellibeing.
It's night here mate.show me where I am wrong? Show me where it makes sense to sell 5 of your first teamers and then start looking for replacements.i am happy just not a happy clapper,I am not in the Xanax brigade.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Les will take it.yeah slowly but surely this board is putting the pieces together, ha ha.i have never seen such a poorly managed player exodus.let them all go and then try and stop it because the supporters got rowdy.they will sell Morgan and they wanted to sell j rod but for supporter reactions.if we were all as docile as the Xanax brigade les would have sold the lot.he sold half of our outfield team so he gave it a good go,the knob.[/p][/quote]Sammy two heads - Morning Sammy - off to a good start this morning mate. Thanks for your thoughts as puerile as they are. No matter what is happening it is happening for the greater good or the best reason of all which is no choice. Get over it mate - you'll lbe much happier in the long run. This advice only offered because we worry for your future wellibeing.[/p][/quote]It's night here mate.show me where I am wrong? Show me where it makes sense to sell 5 of your first teamers and then start looking for replacements.i am happy just not a happy clapper,I am not in the Xanax brigade. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 26

9:48am Tue 5 Aug 14

Saintjock says...

Sam0braincells,

You certainly share with Poch, Rodgers and most of the media an unwanted interest in, and envy of, our players and club. You're like a quite likeable but snotty nosed urchin pressing his face against our window, trying to get noticed and to wonder at the success within. But you're making a mess of our window Sammy lad, so run along to one of your sheds and do whatever you do in it.
Sam0braincells, You certainly share with Poch, Rodgers and most of the media an unwanted interest in, and envy of, our players and club. You're like a quite likeable but snotty nosed urchin pressing his face against our window, trying to get noticed and to wonder at the success within. But you're making a mess of our window Sammy lad, so run along to one of your sheds and do whatever you do in it. Saintjock
  • Score: 11

9:53am Tue 5 Aug 14

nhumby says...

Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo

gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
very interesting if not a little mind boggling but well worth a read and puts forward a plausible argument for why we sold so many players.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]very interesting if not a little mind boggling but well worth a read and puts forward a plausible argument for why we sold so many players. nhumby
  • Score: 10

9:59am Tue 5 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?
Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer? St Van Roetford
  • Score: 11

9:59am Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Dopey Levy. Morgan is not for sale, especially to a bunch of shysters like Spuds. Don't bother offering us any players, if you have any we want we'll ask. Do't you have better things to do like preparing the dismissal of the lying deceitful Argie.
I hope you are right but I fear that the signing of more midfielders indicates that Morgan will be sold, just hope it is not to Spurs.

Also don't think Chiriches is good enough, certainly no better than Hoover or Fonte, we need TWO better CB's.
That's a bit harsh - not sure we've seen enough of Chiriches to be sure on that, although he did make a couple of individual errors as I recall.

He's certainly not in the same age bracket as Hoover and Fonte (he's 24 and likely to be far more mobile) and has is a current international.

That said, if Spurs want someone we want to keep hold of, how about giving us a player they aren't happy losing?

My concern is that the board don't seem to be having much luck securing stand alone signings, so this sort of easy deal might appeal.

In a purely speculative way, if they offered Townsend (assuming Ron likes a winger) and Kane with some cash I think we'd be more interested.

Defence is interesting though - if we are happy with Fonte why aren't we getting him tied to a deal sharpish? And Cork also. If Spider is still potentially going to leave, Cork is even more key to us, although I'd be rushing to sign him up regardless because he's class.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Dopey Levy. Morgan is not for sale, especially to a bunch of shysters like Spuds. Don't bother offering us any players, if you have any we want we'll ask. Do't you have better things to do like preparing the dismissal of the lying deceitful Argie.[/p][/quote]I hope you are right but I fear that the signing of more midfielders indicates that Morgan will be sold, just hope it is not to Spurs. Also don't think Chiriches is good enough, certainly no better than Hoover or Fonte, we need TWO better CB's.[/p][/quote]That's a bit harsh - not sure we've seen enough of Chiriches to be sure on that, although he did make a couple of individual errors as I recall. He's certainly not in the same age bracket as Hoover and Fonte (he's 24 and likely to be far more mobile) and has is a current international. That said, if Spurs want someone we want to keep hold of, how about giving us a player they aren't happy losing? My concern is that the board don't seem to be having much luck securing stand alone signings, so this sort of easy deal might appeal. In a purely speculative way, if they offered Townsend (assuming Ron likes a winger) and Kane with some cash I think we'd be more interested. Defence is interesting though - if we are happy with Fonte why aren't we getting him tied to a deal sharpish? And Cork also. If Spider is still potentially going to leave, Cork is even more key to us, although I'd be rushing to sign him up regardless because he's class. SaintJD
  • Score: 15

10:02am Tue 5 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Les will take it.yeah slowly but surely this board is putting the pieces together, ha ha.i have never seen such a poorly managed player exodus.let them all go and then try and stop it because the supporters got rowdy.they will sell Morgan and they wanted to sell j rod but for supporter reactions.if we were all as docile as the Xanax brigade les would have sold the lot.he sold half of our outfield team so he gave it a good go,the knob.
Sammy two heads - Morning Sammy - off to a good start this morning mate.
Thanks for your thoughts as puerile as they are.

No matter what is happening it is happening for the greater good or the best reason of all which is no choice. Get over it mate - you'll lbe much happier in the long run.

This advice only offered because we worry for your future wellibeing.
It's night here mate.show me where I am wrong? Show me where it makes sense to sell 5 of your first teamers and then start looking for replacements.i am happy just not a happy clapper,I am not in the Xanax brigade.
Plough your way through this - an interesting take on all that has happened this summer and perhaps a couple of very good reasons why it has happened - you decide.

http://redsloscf.blo


gspot.co.uk
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Les will take it.yeah slowly but surely this board is putting the pieces together, ha ha.i have never seen such a poorly managed player exodus.let them all go and then try and stop it because the supporters got rowdy.they will sell Morgan and they wanted to sell j rod but for supporter reactions.if we were all as docile as the Xanax brigade les would have sold the lot.he sold half of our outfield team so he gave it a good go,the knob.[/p][/quote]Sammy two heads - Morning Sammy - off to a good start this morning mate. Thanks for your thoughts as puerile as they are. No matter what is happening it is happening for the greater good or the best reason of all which is no choice. Get over it mate - you'll lbe much happier in the long run. This advice only offered because we worry for your future wellibeing.[/p][/quote]It's night here mate.show me where I am wrong? Show me where it makes sense to sell 5 of your first teamers and then start looking for replacements.i am happy just not a happy clapper,I am not in the Xanax brigade.[/p][/quote]Plough your way through this - an interesting take on all that has happened this summer and perhaps a couple of very good reasons why it has happened - you decide. http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk jls217
  • Score: 14

10:08am Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Spurs are not giving up on getting Schniederlin, it's not as if our board have give them any encouragement is it.
Before September an acceptable bid will be made to test the boards resolve.
If track records are anything to go on then my money is on Levy and not Les. Les has lost every single battle so far.
My concern is that our lack of success in securing our key targets this season is going to frustrate Ron so much that these swap style deals suddenly become very appealing as time runs out to plug the obvious gaps in the squad. We seem to be trying to milk the Osvaldo loan for extra bodies and wouldn't amaze me if this happens with Spider. I do think Spurs have some good players we could use, but would still have to be an amazing deal for us, with us getting the pick of the players. If Poch walks away feeling he's only lost dead wood (which is what he's attempting to do) it will be disastrous.

Have to say the next couple of signings (not the Inter loans) will be make or break in terms of my confidence in the board - and if they are within a country mile of Samaras standard I think we'll know the depth of our problems.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Spurs are not giving up on getting Schniederlin, it's not as if our board have give them any encouragement is it. Before September an acceptable bid will be made to test the boards resolve.[/p][/quote]If track records are anything to go on then my money is on Levy and not Les. Les has lost every single battle so far.[/p][/quote]My concern is that our lack of success in securing our key targets this season is going to frustrate Ron so much that these swap style deals suddenly become very appealing as time runs out to plug the obvious gaps in the squad. We seem to be trying to milk the Osvaldo loan for extra bodies and wouldn't amaze me if this happens with Spider. I do think Spurs have some good players we could use, but would still have to be an amazing deal for us, with us getting the pick of the players. If Poch walks away feeling he's only lost dead wood (which is what he's attempting to do) it will be disastrous. Have to say the next couple of signings (not the Inter loans) will be make or break in terms of my confidence in the board - and if they are within a country mile of Samaras standard I think we'll know the depth of our problems. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

10:19am Tue 5 Aug 14

Crossley Place Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up.

Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense.

I hope so.
If Morgan goes then Krueger's position becomes totally untenable and he will have to go to.
I absolutely agree!! Krueger stated very clearly, without any possibility of ambiguity, that Morgan is not for sale and will be playing for us this season. Yet if you want to bet that he'll be at Spurs before the end of the transfer window, no bookmaker will give you odds better than 1/8:
http://www.oddscheck
er.com/football/foot
ball-specials/morgan
-schneiderlin/club-a
fter-summer-transfer
-window

So, here is a foolproof way to make money: use an account on one of the betting exchanges to offer odds better than 1/8 on Morgan going to Spurs. You can offer what odds you like; 1/4, 1/2, evens, or go all the way up to 100/1 against. People who are unaware of Ralph's statement last week, or who are foolish enough to disbelieve what he said, will see that you are offering much better odds than the big bookies and will rush to place bets. Of course, all these bets are guaranteed to lose, and you can keep all the money staked as pure profit; because Krueger has stated very clearly, without any possibility of ambiguity, that Morgan is not for sale and will be playing for Saints this season.

This is an absolutely foolproof money-making scheme, and I offer the idea to you free of charge.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so.[/p][/quote]If Morgan goes then Krueger's position becomes totally untenable and he will have to go to.[/p][/quote]I absolutely agree!! Krueger stated very clearly, without any possibility of ambiguity, that Morgan is not for sale and will be playing for us this season. Yet if you want to bet that he'll be at Spurs before the end of the transfer window, no bookmaker will give you odds better than 1/8: http://www.oddscheck er.com/football/foot ball-specials/morgan -schneiderlin/club-a fter-summer-transfer -window So, here is a foolproof way to make money: use an account on one of the betting exchanges to offer odds better than 1/8 on Morgan going to Spurs. You can offer what odds you like; 1/4, 1/2, evens, or go all the way up to 100/1 against. People who are unaware of Ralph's statement last week, or who are foolish enough to disbelieve what he said, will see that you are offering much better odds than the big bookies and will rush to place bets. Of course, all these bets are guaranteed to lose, and you can keep all the money staked as pure profit; because Krueger has stated very clearly, without any possibility of ambiguity, that Morgan is not for sale and will be playing for Saints this season. This is an absolutely foolproof money-making scheme, and I offer the idea to you free of charge. Crossley Place Saint
  • Score: 7

10:20am Tue 5 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Pablo Osvaldo and Gary Medel, what an Inter side! Striker: “I’m here to win, and to return to the national team”.


We can only wish him luck in his quest.
Pablo Osvaldo and Gary Medel, what an Inter side! Striker: “I’m here to win, and to return to the national team”. We can only wish him luck in his quest. jls217
  • Score: 2

10:22am Tue 5 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?
I thought I might try somewhere horrible,for a change.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?[/p][/quote]I thought I might try somewhere horrible,for a change. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

10:23am Tue 5 Aug 14

SodburySaint93 says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?
Yes I am St Van

Taking Mrs. Sodbury and the little Sodburys to Spain for a weeks R+R (well pool and Rioja anyway). No WiFi or phone signal, up in the mountains - can't wait.

Cunningly booked it Sunday to Sunday (so I get to see soccer Saturday) with lunch time flights - happy days

Just like to thank Sky Sports very much for changing the Liverhampton game AND for a lunchtime kick off .............brillia
nt !!!
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?[/p][/quote]Yes I am St Van Taking Mrs. Sodbury and the little Sodburys to Spain for a weeks R+R (well pool and Rioja anyway). No WiFi or phone signal, up in the mountains - can't wait. Cunningly booked it Sunday to Sunday (so I get to see soccer Saturday) with lunch time flights - happy days Just like to thank Sky Sports very much for changing the Liverhampton game AND for a lunchtime kick off .............brillia nt !!! SodburySaint93
  • Score: 4

10:27am Tue 5 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

just more media tripe.
they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again.


seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble.
if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy!
just more media tripe. they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again. seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble. if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 8

10:33am Tue 5 Aug 14

ctsaint says...

Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo

gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read.

I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future.

Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists.

By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read. I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future. Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists. By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc ctsaint
  • Score: 5

10:35am Tue 5 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
just more media tripe.
they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again.


seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble.
if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy!
Well,you can say what you like about Harry Rednapp,but with all the spondulex we've had come in,with him here, we would have had about ten new players on the books by now!
...Or would we? What is going on?
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: just more media tripe. they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again. seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble. if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy![/p][/quote]Well,you can say what you like about Harry Rednapp,but with all the spondulex we've had come in,with him here, we would have had about ten new players on the books by now! ...Or would we? What is going on? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

10:47am Tue 5 Aug 14

Confucious says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?
Good call - change the subject!

I'm off to the Hilton Cavalieri Hotel in glorious Rome for a week - I hope.

The manager and five of his key people have all just p!ssed off to join the Marriott Group for bigger bucks and things are a bit chaotic at the Hilton now from what I hear.

Still - it'll be nice to get away for a spell and forget about all this Saints stuff.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?[/p][/quote]Good call - change the subject! I'm off to the Hilton Cavalieri Hotel in glorious Rome for a week - I hope. The manager and five of his key people have all just p!ssed off to join the Marriott Group for bigger bucks and things are a bit chaotic at the Hilton now from what I hear. Still - it'll be nice to get away for a spell and forget about all this Saints stuff. Confucious
  • Score: 10

10:49am Tue 5 Aug 14

SnapperSaint says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?
Yes I am coming to the end of mine, but have been transfixed by the summer saga at Saints played out on this site! Highly entertaining stuff...
Been sat with my tablet in hand scouring each new story and refreshing regularly to get the latest posts... I did relax a bit too...not much though! :o)
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?[/p][/quote]Yes I am coming to the end of mine, but have been transfixed by the summer saga at Saints played out on this site! Highly entertaining stuff... Been sat with my tablet in hand scouring each new story and refreshing regularly to get the latest posts... I did relax a bit too...not much though! :o) SnapperSaint
  • Score: 3

11:00am Tue 5 Aug 14

Folkestone Saint says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?
Does a cruise around Italy count as nice?
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?[/p][/quote]Does a cruise around Italy count as nice? Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 3

11:03am Tue 5 Aug 14

Sammy2sheds says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
just more media tripe.
they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again.


seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble.
if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy!
Yeah seed explain to this person how les has buckled 5 times and let the players go...so soon.this unswerving faith you have in Ralph is creepy. You're like one of those poor souls in nth Korea believing everything Kim Jong un says.the club could tell you the earth is flat and you would be on here arguing their case.pop another Xanax there's a good ladette.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: just more media tripe. they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again. seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble. if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy![/p][/quote]Yeah seed explain to this person how les has buckled 5 times and let the players go...so soon.this unswerving faith you have in Ralph is creepy. You're like one of those poor souls in nth Korea believing everything Kim Jong un says.the club could tell you the earth is flat and you would be on here arguing their case.pop another Xanax there's a good ladette. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 66

11:04am Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Confucious wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?
Good call - change the subject!

I'm off to the Hilton Cavalieri Hotel in glorious Rome for a week - I hope.

The manager and five of his key people have all just p!ssed off to join the Marriott Group for bigger bucks and things are a bit chaotic at the Hilton now from what I hear.

Still - it'll be nice to get away for a spell and forget about all this Saints stuff.
Don't worry, it's a nice place. I hear they've just agreed to swap their slightly dodgy and dangerous gym for a swimming pool and sauna. The restaurant is definitely staying as well... definitely, I think. Did you know they have LED floodlights in the gardens and great facilities for under 19s?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?[/p][/quote]Good call - change the subject! I'm off to the Hilton Cavalieri Hotel in glorious Rome for a week - I hope. The manager and five of his key people have all just p!ssed off to join the Marriott Group for bigger bucks and things are a bit chaotic at the Hilton now from what I hear. Still - it'll be nice to get away for a spell and forget about all this Saints stuff.[/p][/quote]Don't worry, it's a nice place. I hear they've just agreed to swap their slightly dodgy and dangerous gym for a swimming pool and sauna. The restaurant is definitely staying as well... definitely, I think. Did you know they have LED floodlights in the gardens and great facilities for under 19s? SaintJD
  • Score: 7

11:07am Tue 5 Aug 14

nomorerumours says...

Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo

gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Thanks for this Costa Baz. This is a superb read and really puts things into perspective. It is good to know that he is a Saints fan and will continue to make these sort of blogs in future. The DE should copy these blog on here. It was even missed under the Southampton "News Now" site. Anyway, it is essential reading for all Saints fans and, hopefully, it will reduce the amount of unjustified and misdirected criticism the club has endured in the last few weeks.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Thanks for this Costa Baz. This is a superb read and really puts things into perspective. It is good to know that he is a Saints fan and will continue to make these sort of blogs in future. The DE should copy these blog on here. It was even missed under the Southampton "News Now" site. Anyway, it is essential reading for all Saints fans and, hopefully, it will reduce the amount of unjustified and misdirected criticism the club has endured in the last few weeks. nomorerumours
  • Score: 6

11:08am Tue 5 Aug 14

Chapperall says...

Just say NO! I will never forgive the Argie judas and Spurs as between them they started the chaos we have had to suffer. We don't need Spurs cast offs either if he is not good enough for Spurs he's definitely not good enough for a Saints!
I am really looking forward to them coming to St Marys where the Saints supporters can express out feelings towards the Judas. I can't stand liers and cheats and he takes the biscuit!
Just say NO! I will never forgive the Argie judas and Spurs as between them they started the chaos we have had to suffer. We don't need Spurs cast offs either if he is not good enough for Spurs he's definitely not good enough for a Saints! I am really looking forward to them coming to St Marys where the Saints supporters can express out feelings towards the Judas. I can't stand liers and cheats and he takes the biscuit! Chapperall
  • Score: 6

11:08am Tue 5 Aug 14

Saints n Winners says...

Electrostar wrote:
We have to stand firm on Morgan and show that the clubs are in charge not the players.
I think he will be off in January at the latest. think the board will delay the transfer to show that they cannot be easily "pushed" around.

It will be very interesting to see how he plays up to Christmas - if he is still here.
[quote][p][bold]Electrostar[/bold] wrote: We have to stand firm on Morgan and show that the clubs are in charge not the players.[/p][/quote]I think he will be off in January at the latest. think the board will delay the transfer to show that they cannot be easily "pushed" around. It will be very interesting to see how he plays up to Christmas - if he is still here. Saints n Winners
  • Score: 4

11:10am Tue 5 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?
Does a cruise around Italy count as nice?
That sounds wonderful. I'm actually doing a similar thing: I'm taking the family on a pilgrimage to walk in the footsteps of Shelley and taste the food he would have tasted and see the views that inspired his most powerful work.

If it wasn’t for the fact we’re actually going camping in the rain in the hometown of George Shelley from Union J - who grew up in some godforsaken seaside town in Somerset - this would be amazing.
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?[/p][/quote]Does a cruise around Italy count as nice?[/p][/quote]That sounds wonderful. I'm actually doing a similar thing: I'm taking the family on a pilgrimage to walk in the footsteps of Shelley and taste the food he would have tasted and see the views that inspired his most powerful work. If it wasn’t for the fact we’re actually going camping in the rain in the hometown of George Shelley from Union J - who grew up in some godforsaken seaside town in Somerset - this would be amazing. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 6

11:10am Tue 5 Aug 14

InsideOutCat says...

I assume that Sammy2braincells is taking the opportunity to mention Xanax on every post today because he's just had someone read his new prescription to him.
I assume that Sammy2braincells is taking the opportunity to mention Xanax on every post today because he's just had someone read his new prescription to him. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 11

11:11am Tue 5 Aug 14

nomorerumours says...

jls217 wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo


gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Just why this gent has decided (recently, it seems) to become interested in the affairs of Saints we can only guess. Nevertheless it makes interesting reading and even if the figures aren't wholly accurate (and they can't be, using the only source he has for those figures) it tells a tale for those wishing to persevere with it. There will be many who will struggle to follow it - please try.
Those who consider the back room boys *****, *******, or *****, or any of the other colourful Anglo Saxon labels they wish to stick on people them moment something happens which is beyond their ken or power of reasoning may wish reconsider that at the back of this team there are some very clued up beancounters and everything is happening for a sound financial reason. Loans suddenly seem to make sound sense. Of course this blog may just be a load of old blx too. You read, you decide.
But it's a lot easier to just type the first thing that comes into your minds than it is to sit back, take a deep breath and read about what, maybe just maybe, alternative reasons there are for the management team to be doing what it is they are doing. Thanks Costa - I'll be following this fella to see what else he comes up with.
,
You probably missed the bit where he says he has been a Saints fan himself for 4 years which explains why he's used his experience and applied his assessment to Southampton. Great to know he is one of us!
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Just why this gent has decided (recently, it seems) to become interested in the affairs of Saints we can only guess. Nevertheless it makes interesting reading and even if the figures aren't wholly accurate (and they can't be, using the only source he has for those figures) it tells a tale for those wishing to persevere with it. There will be many who will struggle to follow it - please try. Those who consider the back room boys *****, *******, or *****, or any of the other colourful Anglo Saxon labels they wish to stick on people them moment something happens which is beyond their ken or power of reasoning may wish reconsider that at the back of this team there are some very clued up beancounters and everything is happening for a sound financial reason. Loans suddenly seem to make sound sense. Of course this blog may just be a load of old blx too. You read, you decide. But it's a lot easier to just type the first thing that comes into your minds than it is to sit back, take a deep breath and read about what, maybe just maybe, alternative reasons there are for the management team to be doing what it is they are doing. Thanks Costa - I'll be following this fella to see what else he comes up with. ,[/p][/quote]You probably missed the bit where he says he has been a Saints fan himself for 4 years which explains why he's used his experience and applied his assessment to Southampton. Great to know he is one of us! nomorerumours
  • Score: 11

11:13am Tue 5 Aug 14

StElsass says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?
Off to Kefalonia for 10 days and will leave all electronic instruments behind (not sure there's Wifi where I go anyway!), because quite frankly, I'm slowly but surely losing interest in all this.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?[/p][/quote]Off to Kefalonia for 10 days and will leave all electronic instruments behind (not sure there's Wifi where I go anyway!), because quite frankly, I'm slowly but surely losing interest in all this. StElsass
  • Score: 7

11:20am Tue 5 Aug 14

saint Compo says...

How about a bit of real investigative journalism (for a change) from the Echo about the impact of the Premier League's Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on smaller clubs like Saints?

Although it's hard to retain top players who want to play in Europe, it's now impossible to meet their high wage demands too. Under FFP Saints are severely restricted in the amount they can increase their total wage bill year on year with the result that they cannot go anywhere near meeting the levels of wages demanded by the best players.

Although the FFP are mainly designed to stop clubs from going bust, they also serve to maintain the status quo whereby the 'Big' clubs can continue to pay high (though not ever increasingly exhorbitant) wages while the smaller clubs, like Saints, are stuck with the lower level pay scales.

What's more, the Big clubs can increase their commercial revenues (through brand exploitation and pre-season matches in the States!) and TV revenues (by being featured heavily on Sky and now BT Sports). This raises their overall income levels at a faster rate than Saints can hope to achieve and so enables them to increase their wage bills at a faster rate. (It explains why Ralph Krueger is focused on increasing Saints commercial revenues. However, that's hard to do without first achieving success on the pitch. Chicken and egg!)

The upshot is that the cartel of the Big clubs will be perpetuated and a smaller club will find it virtually impossible to break into the cartel. Even if Saints were taken over by an Arab or Chinese multi-billionaire willing to pump in hundreds of millions of pounds, the FFP would restrict the signing of high wage earning players to make the break-through.

So the Big 6 will go from strength to strength while the other clubs will have to settle for mid-table mediocrity, as a minimum avoiding relegation and at best regarding a top 8 finish as a great success.

So, fellow Saints fans, let's just accept our plight and support the team we love. Let's be honest, thanks to St Markus, we are in far better shape now than we were 5 years ago. We could have become a Poopey! Let's be grateful for the success of the last 5 years and be positive about the future despite the inevitable limitations imposed on us.

COYR
How about a bit of real investigative journalism (for a change) from the Echo about the impact of the Premier League's Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on smaller clubs like Saints? Although it's hard to retain top players who want to play in Europe, it's now impossible to meet their high wage demands too. Under FFP Saints are severely restricted in the amount they can increase their total wage bill year on year with the result that they cannot go anywhere near meeting the levels of wages demanded by the best players. Although the FFP are mainly designed to stop clubs from going bust, they also serve to maintain the status quo whereby the 'Big' clubs can continue to pay high (though not ever increasingly exhorbitant) wages while the smaller clubs, like Saints, are stuck with the lower level pay scales. What's more, the Big clubs can increase their commercial revenues (through brand exploitation and pre-season matches in the States!) and TV revenues (by being featured heavily on Sky and now BT Sports). This raises their overall income levels at a faster rate than Saints can hope to achieve and so enables them to increase their wage bills at a faster rate. (It explains why Ralph Krueger is focused on increasing Saints commercial revenues. However, that's hard to do without first achieving success on the pitch. Chicken and egg!) The upshot is that the cartel of the Big clubs will be perpetuated and a smaller club will find it virtually impossible to break into the cartel. Even if Saints were taken over by an Arab or Chinese multi-billionaire willing to pump in hundreds of millions of pounds, the FFP would restrict the signing of high wage earning players to make the break-through. So the Big 6 will go from strength to strength while the other clubs will have to settle for mid-table mediocrity, as a minimum avoiding relegation and at best regarding a top 8 finish as a great success. So, fellow Saints fans, let's just accept our plight and support the team we love. Let's be honest, thanks to St Markus, we are in far better shape now than we were 5 years ago. We could have become a Poopey! Let's be grateful for the success of the last 5 years and be positive about the future despite the inevitable limitations imposed on us. COYR saint Compo
  • Score: 13

11:29am Tue 5 Aug 14

Saintsayer II says...

Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo

gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Blimey that makes being a supporter to anew height .Makes my brain hurt
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Blimey that makes being a supporter to anew height .Makes my brain hurt Saintsayer II
  • Score: 7

11:29am Tue 5 Aug 14

Saintsayer II says...

Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo

gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Blimey that makes being a supporter to anew height .Makes my brain hurt
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Blimey that makes being a supporter to anew height .Makes my brain hurt Saintsayer II
  • Score: 7

11:30am Tue 5 Aug 14

st bevois says...

Electrostar wrote:
We have to stand firm on Morgan and show that the clubs are in charge not the players.
We have to show that this club is in charge and not Spurs (if this rumour is true or not) - they can't afford him upfront and want to unload unwanted goods, trying to entice us instead because we have left a hole in or defence. No thanks and any cred that may be left will be gone if Morgan goes.
[quote][p][bold]Electrostar[/bold] wrote: We have to stand firm on Morgan and show that the clubs are in charge not the players.[/p][/quote]We have to show that this club is in charge and not Spurs (if this rumour is true or not) - they can't afford him upfront and want to unload unwanted goods, trying to entice us instead because we have left a hole in or defence. No thanks and any cred that may be left will be gone if Morgan goes. st bevois
  • Score: 7

11:37am Tue 5 Aug 14

slatts1 says...

How do u say in Spanish **** off pochotino??? O wait sorry forgot he don't need a translated now he at a big club.. ****
How do u say in Spanish **** off pochotino??? O wait sorry forgot he don't need a translated now he at a big club.. **** slatts1
  • Score: 4

11:42am Tue 5 Aug 14

Bazultra says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Dopey Levy. Morgan is not for sale, especially to a bunch of shysters like Spuds. Don't bother offering us any players, if you have any we want we'll ask. Do't you have better things to do like preparing the dismissal of the lying deceitful Argie.
Of course hes for sale we have a board of muppets! Hes as good as gone dont believe the hype
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Dopey Levy. Morgan is not for sale, especially to a bunch of shysters like Spuds. Don't bother offering us any players, if you have any we want we'll ask. Do't you have better things to do like preparing the dismissal of the lying deceitful Argie.[/p][/quote]Of course hes for sale we have a board of muppets! Hes as good as gone dont believe the hype Bazultra
  • Score: -6

11:43am Tue 5 Aug 14

slatts1 says...

st bevois wrote:
Electrostar wrote:
We have to stand firm on Morgan and show that the clubs are in charge not the players.
We have to show that this club is in charge and not Spurs (if this rumour is true or not) - they can't afford him upfront and want to unload unwanted goods, trying to entice us instead because we have left a hole in or defence. No thanks and any cred that may be left will be gone if Morgan goes.
Well said
[quote][p][bold]st bevois[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Electrostar[/bold] wrote: We have to stand firm on Morgan and show that the clubs are in charge not the players.[/p][/quote]We have to show that this club is in charge and not Spurs (if this rumour is true or not) - they can't afford him upfront and want to unload unwanted goods, trying to entice us instead because we have left a hole in or defence. No thanks and any cred that may be left will be gone if Morgan goes.[/p][/quote]Well said slatts1
  • Score: 5

11:43am Tue 5 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

StElsass wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?
Off to Kefalonia for 10 days and will leave all electronic instruments behind (not sure there's Wifi where I go anyway!), because quite frankly, I'm slowly but surely losing interest in all this.
I hear you. It's been a godforsaken summer on here. I'm hoping people might raise their game once the new season starts.
[quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?[/p][/quote]Off to Kefalonia for 10 days and will leave all electronic instruments behind (not sure there's Wifi where I go anyway!), because quite frankly, I'm slowly but surely losing interest in all this.[/p][/quote]I hear you. It's been a godforsaken summer on here. I'm hoping people might raise their game once the new season starts. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 3

11:46am Tue 5 Aug 14

Bazultra says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so.
You fool Krueger said nobody was for sale and then went the spine of the team. WAKE UP and take your rose tinted glasses off!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so.[/p][/quote]You fool Krueger said nobody was for sale and then went the spine of the team. WAKE UP and take your rose tinted glasses off! Bazultra
  • Score: -4

11:48am Tue 5 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

I see my sad little stalker is jumping up and down looking for attention again, best to just ignore it and it will go away.
we all know what it is, what its doing and why!
I see my sad little stalker is jumping up and down looking for attention again, best to just ignore it and it will go away. we all know what it is, what its doing and why! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 3

11:52am Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

saint Compo wrote:
How about a bit of real investigative journalism (for a change) from the Echo about the impact of the Premier League's Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on smaller clubs like Saints?

Although it's hard to retain top players who want to play in Europe, it's now impossible to meet their high wage demands too. Under FFP Saints are severely restricted in the amount they can increase their total wage bill year on year with the result that they cannot go anywhere near meeting the levels of wages demanded by the best players.

Although the FFP are mainly designed to stop clubs from going bust, they also serve to maintain the status quo whereby the 'Big' clubs can continue to pay high (though not ever increasingly exhorbitant) wages while the smaller clubs, like Saints, are stuck with the lower level pay scales.

What's more, the Big clubs can increase their commercial revenues (through brand exploitation and pre-season matches in the States!) and TV revenues (by being featured heavily on Sky and now BT Sports). This raises their overall income levels at a faster rate than Saints can hope to achieve and so enables them to increase their wage bills at a faster rate. (It explains why Ralph Krueger is focused on increasing Saints commercial revenues. However, that's hard to do without first achieving success on the pitch. Chicken and egg!)

The upshot is that the cartel of the Big clubs will be perpetuated and a smaller club will find it virtually impossible to break into the cartel. Even if Saints were taken over by an Arab or Chinese multi-billionaire willing to pump in hundreds of millions of pounds, the FFP would restrict the signing of high wage earning players to make the break-through.

So the Big 6 will go from strength to strength while the other clubs will have to settle for mid-table mediocrity, as a minimum avoiding relegation and at best regarding a top 8 finish as a great success.

So, fellow Saints fans, let's just accept our plight and support the team we love. Let's be honest, thanks to St Markus, we are in far better shape now than we were 5 years ago. We could have become a Poopey! Let's be grateful for the success of the last 5 years and be positive about the future despite the inevitable limitations imposed on us.

COYR
This is a very informed read and may go some way as to why NC voted against it when EPL bought the ruling in.
[quote][p][bold]saint Compo[/bold] wrote: How about a bit of real investigative journalism (for a change) from the Echo about the impact of the Premier League's Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on smaller clubs like Saints? Although it's hard to retain top players who want to play in Europe, it's now impossible to meet their high wage demands too. Under FFP Saints are severely restricted in the amount they can increase their total wage bill year on year with the result that they cannot go anywhere near meeting the levels of wages demanded by the best players. Although the FFP are mainly designed to stop clubs from going bust, they also serve to maintain the status quo whereby the 'Big' clubs can continue to pay high (though not ever increasingly exhorbitant) wages while the smaller clubs, like Saints, are stuck with the lower level pay scales. What's more, the Big clubs can increase their commercial revenues (through brand exploitation and pre-season matches in the States!) and TV revenues (by being featured heavily on Sky and now BT Sports). This raises their overall income levels at a faster rate than Saints can hope to achieve and so enables them to increase their wage bills at a faster rate. (It explains why Ralph Krueger is focused on increasing Saints commercial revenues. However, that's hard to do without first achieving success on the pitch. Chicken and egg!) The upshot is that the cartel of the Big clubs will be perpetuated and a smaller club will find it virtually impossible to break into the cartel. Even if Saints were taken over by an Arab or Chinese multi-billionaire willing to pump in hundreds of millions of pounds, the FFP would restrict the signing of high wage earning players to make the break-through. So the Big 6 will go from strength to strength while the other clubs will have to settle for mid-table mediocrity, as a minimum avoiding relegation and at best regarding a top 8 finish as a great success. So, fellow Saints fans, let's just accept our plight and support the team we love. Let's be honest, thanks to St Markus, we are in far better shape now than we were 5 years ago. We could have become a Poopey! Let's be grateful for the success of the last 5 years and be positive about the future despite the inevitable limitations imposed on us. COYR[/p][/quote]This is a very informed read and may go some way as to why NC voted against it when EPL bought the ruling in. SaintAsh1964
  • Score: 9

11:55am Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
just more media tripe.
they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again.


seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble.
if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy!
The battles may have been with the players rather than the opposing clubs but however you want to look at it he said no players were for sale and then sold 5. Adam was there for the persuading, no doubt about it although Luke was off.

Ralphy even sat on telly and said no player would be sold before a new manager was appointed and then did a deal on Lambert later the same facking day!! Jesus, has he no pride or integrity? Even if he'd said to Brenda:

'Listen mush, happy to sell you the old git but I've just made a silly statement on telly and this lot, particularly Seed, will bash me about the head with it so can we reach a gentleman's agreement and finalise it after the World Cup?'

Brenda: 'No. Everyone knows you're a liar.'

Heiligen your defence of the board is becoming unsustainable. Will you at least agree, after his categoric statement, that Ralph has to go if we sell Morgan this summer?
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: just more media tripe. they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again. seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble. if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy![/p][/quote]The battles may have been with the players rather than the opposing clubs but however you want to look at it he said no players were for sale and then sold 5. Adam was there for the persuading, no doubt about it although Luke was off. Ralphy even sat on telly and said no player would be sold before a new manager was appointed and then did a deal on Lambert later the same facking day!! Jesus, has he no pride or integrity? Even if he'd said to Brenda: 'Listen mush, happy to sell you the old git but I've just made a silly statement on telly and this lot, particularly Seed, will bash me about the head with it so can we reach a gentleman's agreement and finalise it after the World Cup?' Brenda: 'No. Everyone knows you're a liar.' Heiligen your defence of the board is becoming unsustainable. Will you at least agree, after his categoric statement, that Ralph has to go if we sell Morgan this summer? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

11:56am Tue 5 Aug 14

SnapperSaint says...

nomorerumours wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo


gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Thanks for this Costa Baz. This is a superb read and really puts things into perspective. It is good to know that he is a Saints fan and will continue to make these sort of blogs in future. The DE should copy these blog on here. It was even missed under the Southampton "News Now" site. Anyway, it is essential reading for all Saints fans and, hopefully, it will reduce the amount of unjustified and misdirected criticism the club has endured in the last few weeks.
I don't think the criticism was unjustified, the club have been saying precious little to give any fans the reassurances they craved, so in that vacuum the press has fuelled the fans interest and the criticism has resulted.
It has taken some of the more thoughtful posters, and Costa's blogger, to provide a little of the reasoning behind what actually might be happening at the club. So I don't blame the posters, not even the more outspoken ones, I think this board needs at some point soon to provide a more detailed explanation of why we are where we are or risk fulfilling Seed's assertion that they don't know what they are doing.
Queue the chant normally levelled at referees, '...you don't know what you're doing...' could be what we sing at the first home match directed towards those in the chairman's box!
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Thanks for this Costa Baz. This is a superb read and really puts things into perspective. It is good to know that he is a Saints fan and will continue to make these sort of blogs in future. The DE should copy these blog on here. It was even missed under the Southampton "News Now" site. Anyway, it is essential reading for all Saints fans and, hopefully, it will reduce the amount of unjustified and misdirected criticism the club has endured in the last few weeks.[/p][/quote]I don't think the criticism was unjustified, the club have been saying precious little to give any fans the reassurances they craved, so in that vacuum the press has fuelled the fans interest and the criticism has resulted. It has taken some of the more thoughtful posters, and Costa's blogger, to provide a little of the reasoning behind what actually might be happening at the club. So I don't blame the posters, not even the more outspoken ones, I think this board needs at some point soon to provide a more detailed explanation of why we are where we are or risk fulfilling Seed's assertion that they don't know what they are doing. Queue the chant normally levelled at referees, '...you don't know what you're doing...' could be what we sing at the first home match directed towards those in the chairman's box! SnapperSaint
  • Score: 2

11:56am Tue 5 Aug 14

Saints n Winners says...

saint Compo wrote:
How about a bit of real investigative journalism (for a change) from the Echo about the impact of the Premier League's Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on smaller clubs like Saints?

Although it's hard to retain top players who want to play in Europe, it's now impossible to meet their high wage demands too. Under FFP Saints are severely restricted in the amount they can increase their total wage bill year on year with the result that they cannot go anywhere near meeting the levels of wages demanded by the best players.

Although the FFP are mainly designed to stop clubs from going bust, they also serve to maintain the status quo whereby the 'Big' clubs can continue to pay high (though not ever increasingly exhorbitant) wages while the smaller clubs, like Saints, are stuck with the lower level pay scales.

What's more, the Big clubs can increase their commercial revenues (through brand exploitation and pre-season matches in the States!) and TV revenues (by being featured heavily on Sky and now BT Sports). This raises their overall income levels at a faster rate than Saints can hope to achieve and so enables them to increase their wage bills at a faster rate. (It explains why Ralph Krueger is focused on increasing Saints commercial revenues. However, that's hard to do without first achieving success on the pitch. Chicken and egg!)

The upshot is that the cartel of the Big clubs will be perpetuated and a smaller club will find it virtually impossible to break into the cartel. Even if Saints were taken over by an Arab or Chinese multi-billionaire willing to pump in hundreds of millions of pounds, the FFP would restrict the signing of high wage earning players to make the break-through.

So the Big 6 will go from strength to strength while the other clubs will have to settle for mid-table mediocrity, as a minimum avoiding relegation and at best regarding a top 8 finish as a great success.

So, fellow Saints fans, let's just accept our plight and support the team we love. Let's be honest, thanks to St Markus, we are in far better shape now than we were 5 years ago. We could have become a Poopey! Let's be grateful for the success of the last 5 years and be positive about the future despite the inevitable limitations imposed on us.

COYR
FFP is just so subtle. How didn't the other chairmen see it coming?
[quote][p][bold]saint Compo[/bold] wrote: How about a bit of real investigative journalism (for a change) from the Echo about the impact of the Premier League's Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on smaller clubs like Saints? Although it's hard to retain top players who want to play in Europe, it's now impossible to meet their high wage demands too. Under FFP Saints are severely restricted in the amount they can increase their total wage bill year on year with the result that they cannot go anywhere near meeting the levels of wages demanded by the best players. Although the FFP are mainly designed to stop clubs from going bust, they also serve to maintain the status quo whereby the 'Big' clubs can continue to pay high (though not ever increasingly exhorbitant) wages while the smaller clubs, like Saints, are stuck with the lower level pay scales. What's more, the Big clubs can increase their commercial revenues (through brand exploitation and pre-season matches in the States!) and TV revenues (by being featured heavily on Sky and now BT Sports). This raises their overall income levels at a faster rate than Saints can hope to achieve and so enables them to increase their wage bills at a faster rate. (It explains why Ralph Krueger is focused on increasing Saints commercial revenues. However, that's hard to do without first achieving success on the pitch. Chicken and egg!) The upshot is that the cartel of the Big clubs will be perpetuated and a smaller club will find it virtually impossible to break into the cartel. Even if Saints were taken over by an Arab or Chinese multi-billionaire willing to pump in hundreds of millions of pounds, the FFP would restrict the signing of high wage earning players to make the break-through. So the Big 6 will go from strength to strength while the other clubs will have to settle for mid-table mediocrity, as a minimum avoiding relegation and at best regarding a top 8 finish as a great success. So, fellow Saints fans, let's just accept our plight and support the team we love. Let's be honest, thanks to St Markus, we are in far better shape now than we were 5 years ago. We could have become a Poopey! Let's be grateful for the success of the last 5 years and be positive about the future despite the inevitable limitations imposed on us. COYR[/p][/quote]FFP is just so subtle. How didn't the other chairmen see it coming? Saints n Winners
  • Score: 4

11:57am Tue 5 Aug 14

damoose says...

When you watch your club sell a plethora of first team players, naturally you become a little bit anxious about when replacements will arrive.

As far as Southampton are concerned, the fanbase is taking that anxiety to a new level, wondering quite when the board will spend even a small proportion of it’s vast profits this summer. Despite talk of being hopeful that two or three players would be coming in over the last weekend, it is now Tuesday morning and no new faces have arrived at the club.

Algerian midfielder Saphir Taïder looks set to arrive today on loan from Inter Milan as part of Dani Osvaldo’s long awaited move, but does that even count?

Since Graziano Pelle arrived at the club over three weeks ago, only Ryan Bertrand has come in (also on loan), and people are beginning to wonder if the board have any intention of spending any more money at all. Taïder looks to be a by-product of getting shot of Osvaldo and plays in the one position we need no cover in whatsoever.

Worryingly paper talk of incoming players has switched from big money moves to that of loans and free transfers and it is perfectly understandable to think that Saints have either completely blown this transfer window, struggling to convince players to join while everyone else leaves and being priced out of moves with clubs and agents knowing they have cash on the hip or the alternative. The alternative is even worse.

The alternative is that the board completed their spending on Dusan Tadic and Pelle and will now backfill the squad with loans and out of contract players in the hope that it will placate the supporters while they arrange their extremely lucrative exit from the club.

Either way, the speed at which transfers for players exiting the club can be completed seems to be a hell of a lot quicker than for those coming in and the fanbase is becoming restless. The chairman’s promises of having a great team come the start of the season look to be pretty hollow right now, and if his statement that the club is not for sale was honest then they need to start spending. Otherwise the board run the risk of losing the backing of the fans.

http://metro.co.uk/2
014/08/05/why-time-i
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When you watch your club sell a plethora of first team players, naturally you become a little bit anxious about when replacements will arrive. As far as Southampton are concerned, the fanbase is taking that anxiety to a new level, wondering quite when the board will spend even a small proportion of it’s vast profits this summer. Despite talk of being hopeful that two or three players would be coming in over the last weekend, it is now Tuesday morning and no new faces have arrived at the club. Algerian midfielder Saphir Taïder looks set to arrive today on loan from Inter Milan as part of Dani Osvaldo’s long awaited move, but does that even count? Since Graziano Pelle arrived at the club over three weeks ago, only Ryan Bertrand has come in (also on loan), and people are beginning to wonder if the board have any intention of spending any more money at all. Taïder looks to be a by-product of getting shot of Osvaldo and plays in the one position we need no cover in whatsoever. Worryingly paper talk of incoming players has switched from big money moves to that of loans and free transfers and it is perfectly understandable to think that Saints have either completely blown this transfer window, struggling to convince players to join while everyone else leaves and being priced out of moves with clubs and agents knowing they have cash on the hip or the alternative. The alternative is even worse. The alternative is that the board completed their spending on Dusan Tadic and Pelle and will now backfill the squad with loans and out of contract players in the hope that it will placate the supporters while they arrange their extremely lucrative exit from the club. Either way, the speed at which transfers for players exiting the club can be completed seems to be a hell of a lot quicker than for those coming in and the fanbase is becoming restless. The chairman’s promises of having a great team come the start of the season look to be pretty hollow right now, and if his statement that the club is not for sale was honest then they need to start spending. Otherwise the board run the risk of losing the backing of the fans. http://metro.co.uk/2 014/08/05/why-time-i s-running-out-fast-f or-the-southampton-b oard-4821308/? damoose
  • Score: 2

11:57am Tue 5 Aug 14

St Forlife says...

Poch thinks Spider is better than this guy so he probably is - the Board will be excited about trousering more reddies so watch us roll over and have our bellies tickled
Poch thinks Spider is better than this guy so he probably is - the Board will be excited about trousering more reddies so watch us roll over and have our bellies tickled St Forlife
  • Score: -2

11:58am Tue 5 Aug 14

jaydejay says...

Of course Morgan will go, Why drive a fiat when you can drive a bentley!
Dont be mad at Spurs because they are a big club, get mad at your chairman for selling you all up the river!
Of course Morgan will go, Why drive a fiat when you can drive a bentley! Dont be mad at Spurs because they are a big club, get mad at your chairman for selling you all up the river! jaydejay
  • Score: -5

12:10pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SnapperSaint says...

jaydejay wrote:
Of course Morgan will go, Why drive a fiat when you can drive a bentley!
Dont be mad at Spurs because they are a big club, get mad at your chairman for selling you all up the river!
Thanks, but you're not helping and I expect we will get mad at both!
That's what so called small clubs do with so called big clubs, they get p1ssed off with being shafted!
[quote][p][bold]jaydejay[/bold] wrote: Of course Morgan will go, Why drive a fiat when you can drive a bentley! Dont be mad at Spurs because they are a big club, get mad at your chairman for selling you all up the river![/p][/quote]Thanks, but you're not helping and I expect we will get mad at both! That's what so called small clubs do with so called big clubs, they get p1ssed off with being shafted! SnapperSaint
  • Score: 3

12:10pm Tue 5 Aug 14

buckie says...

I really DO NOT want spider to go but central midfield is one place we are strong at this moment in time this could all change though if spider and JWP is as rumored go also Cork is in the last year of his contract the fans do not benefit (by the price of my season ticket anyway) by all these player sales so far we have a loan signing and 2 players with no premier experience this board are quick to milk the fans but where is the loyalty returned by spurious comments about players coming in we sold up and coming British talent and i would like up and coming British talent back not cheap foreign imports come on saints board restore my faith please
I really DO NOT want spider to go but central midfield is one place we are strong at this moment in time this could all change though if spider and JWP is as rumored go also Cork is in the last year of his contract the fans do not benefit (by the price of my season ticket anyway) by all these player sales so far we have a loan signing and 2 players with no premier experience this board are quick to milk the fans but where is the loyalty returned by spurious comments about players coming in we sold up and coming British talent and i would like up and coming British talent back not cheap foreign imports come on saints board restore my faith please buckie
  • Score: 7

12:14pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SnapperSaint says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
saint Compo wrote:
How about a bit of real investigative journalism (for a change) from the Echo about the impact of the Premier League's Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on smaller clubs like Saints?

Although it's hard to retain top players who want to play in Europe, it's now impossible to meet their high wage demands too. Under FFP Saints are severely restricted in the amount they can increase their total wage bill year on year with the result that they cannot go anywhere near meeting the levels of wages demanded by the best players.

Although the FFP are mainly designed to stop clubs from going bust, they also serve to maintain the status quo whereby the 'Big' clubs can continue to pay high (though not ever increasingly exhorbitant) wages while the smaller clubs, like Saints, are stuck with the lower level pay scales.

What's more, the Big clubs can increase their commercial revenues (through brand exploitation and pre-season matches in the States!) and TV revenues (by being featured heavily on Sky and now BT Sports). This raises their overall income levels at a faster rate than Saints can hope to achieve and so enables them to increase their wage bills at a faster rate. (It explains why Ralph Krueger is focused on increasing Saints commercial revenues. However, that's hard to do without first achieving success on the pitch. Chicken and egg!)

The upshot is that the cartel of the Big clubs will be perpetuated and a smaller club will find it virtually impossible to break into the cartel. Even if Saints were taken over by an Arab or Chinese multi-billionaire willing to pump in hundreds of millions of pounds, the FFP would restrict the signing of high wage earning players to make the break-through.

So the Big 6 will go from strength to strength while the other clubs will have to settle for mid-table mediocrity, as a minimum avoiding relegation and at best regarding a top 8 finish as a great success.

So, fellow Saints fans, let's just accept our plight and support the team we love. Let's be honest, thanks to St Markus, we are in far better shape now than we were 5 years ago. We could have become a Poopey! Let's be grateful for the success of the last 5 years and be positive about the future despite the inevitable limitations imposed on us.

COYR
FFP is just so subtle. How didn't the other chairmen see it coming?
That's what having a chairman with financial nouse gave us, NC could see this coming!
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint Compo[/bold] wrote: How about a bit of real investigative journalism (for a change) from the Echo about the impact of the Premier League's Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on smaller clubs like Saints? Although it's hard to retain top players who want to play in Europe, it's now impossible to meet their high wage demands too. Under FFP Saints are severely restricted in the amount they can increase their total wage bill year on year with the result that they cannot go anywhere near meeting the levels of wages demanded by the best players. Although the FFP are mainly designed to stop clubs from going bust, they also serve to maintain the status quo whereby the 'Big' clubs can continue to pay high (though not ever increasingly exhorbitant) wages while the smaller clubs, like Saints, are stuck with the lower level pay scales. What's more, the Big clubs can increase their commercial revenues (through brand exploitation and pre-season matches in the States!) and TV revenues (by being featured heavily on Sky and now BT Sports). This raises their overall income levels at a faster rate than Saints can hope to achieve and so enables them to increase their wage bills at a faster rate. (It explains why Ralph Krueger is focused on increasing Saints commercial revenues. However, that's hard to do without first achieving success on the pitch. Chicken and egg!) The upshot is that the cartel of the Big clubs will be perpetuated and a smaller club will find it virtually impossible to break into the cartel. Even if Saints were taken over by an Arab or Chinese multi-billionaire willing to pump in hundreds of millions of pounds, the FFP would restrict the signing of high wage earning players to make the break-through. So the Big 6 will go from strength to strength while the other clubs will have to settle for mid-table mediocrity, as a minimum avoiding relegation and at best regarding a top 8 finish as a great success. So, fellow Saints fans, let's just accept our plight and support the team we love. Let's be honest, thanks to St Markus, we are in far better shape now than we were 5 years ago. We could have become a Poopey! Let's be grateful for the success of the last 5 years and be positive about the future despite the inevitable limitations imposed on us. COYR[/p][/quote]FFP is just so subtle. How didn't the other chairmen see it coming?[/p][/quote]That's what having a chairman with financial nouse gave us, NC could see this coming! SnapperSaint
  • Score: 1

12:17pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Sammy2sheds says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
I see my sad little stalker is jumping up and down looking for attention again, best to just ignore it and it will go away.
we all know what it is, what its doing and why!
I am doing to you what you do to others.people dislike me on here and that is fair enough,my views are out there but at least they are my own.there is a difference between being a supporter and being brainwashed.you and a few of your arrogant know it all friends gang up on people who don't toe the party line.no one can say anything remotely negative about the current situation without getting a condescending reply from you.you literally cannot see where the board may have acted in detriment to our club? Individuals are not the club.supporting individual representatives of the club is not always doing the best for the club.
Yes or no answer? If we sell Morgan do you think Ralph should step down?
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: I see my sad little stalker is jumping up and down looking for attention again, best to just ignore it and it will go away. we all know what it is, what its doing and why![/p][/quote]I am doing to you what you do to others.people dislike me on here and that is fair enough,my views are out there but at least they are my own.there is a difference between being a supporter and being brainwashed.you and a few of your arrogant know it all friends gang up on people who don't toe the party line.no one can say anything remotely negative about the current situation without getting a condescending reply from you.you literally cannot see where the board may have acted in detriment to our club? Individuals are not the club.supporting individual representatives of the club is not always doing the best for the club. Yes or no answer? If we sell Morgan do you think Ralph should step down? Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 40

12:19pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

Bazultra I think you should calm down and have a cup of tea.
Bazultra I think you should calm down and have a cup of tea. Alicesdad
  • Score: 4

12:19pm Tue 5 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

NO MORE Saints Player to exit.

We Now BUILD our Squad.

COYR+WS
NO MORE Saints Player to exit. We Now BUILD our Squad. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 0

12:19pm Tue 5 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
I see my sad little stalker is jumping up and down looking for attention again, best to just ignore it and it will go away.
we all know what it is, what its doing and why!
I am doing to you what you do to others.people dislike me on here and that is fair enough,my views are out there but at least they are my own.there is a difference between being a supporter and being brainwashed.you and a few of your arrogant know it all friends gang up on people who don't toe the party line.no one can say anything remotely negative about the current situation without getting a condescending reply from you.you literally cannot see where the board may have acted in detriment to our club? Individuals are not the club.supporting individual representatives of the club is not always doing the best for the club.
Yes or no answer? If we sell Morgan do you think Ralph should step down?
I suppose it depends on whether Steve Bruce wants to keep him.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: I see my sad little stalker is jumping up and down looking for attention again, best to just ignore it and it will go away. we all know what it is, what its doing and why![/p][/quote]I am doing to you what you do to others.people dislike me on here and that is fair enough,my views are out there but at least they are my own.there is a difference between being a supporter and being brainwashed.you and a few of your arrogant know it all friends gang up on people who don't toe the party line.no one can say anything remotely negative about the current situation without getting a condescending reply from you.you literally cannot see where the board may have acted in detriment to our club? Individuals are not the club.supporting individual representatives of the club is not always doing the best for the club. Yes or no answer? If we sell Morgan do you think Ralph should step down?[/p][/quote]I suppose it depends on whether Steve Bruce wants to keep him. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 2

12:28pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Ozmosis says...

Bazultra wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so.
You fool Krueger said nobody was for sale and then went the spine of the team. WAKE UP and take your rose tinted glasses off!
I might be wrong but wasn't it Les Reed who said "we are not a selling club" and then relented, apparently, due to the top money offered. Kruger has not said a word up until this point, more's the pity. However I am inclined to believe that generally we got good value for the players we sold, and still suspect that Morgan may still go if the price is right. I'd like to think it won't be, and that even if it is the board will stand firm. Time will tell
[quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so.[/p][/quote]You fool Krueger said nobody was for sale and then went the spine of the team. WAKE UP and take your rose tinted glasses off![/p][/quote]I might be wrong but wasn't it Les Reed who said "we are not a selling club" and then relented, apparently, due to the top money offered. Kruger has not said a word up until this point, more's the pity. However I am inclined to believe that generally we got good value for the players we sold, and still suspect that Morgan may still go if the price is right. I'd like to think it won't be, and that even if it is the board will stand firm. Time will tell Ozmosis
  • Score: 2

12:31pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

devonsaint2 wrote:
As a Saints fan for 49 yrs I am excited by this season...Players always leave, albeit not usually so many in one go. ( I think there was a huge amount of indoctrination by Cortese and with his press connections things just spiralled).
New SEASON...
I would be pleased to see the following team start |( if we can get the Celtic 2 )
Forster ( understudy Boruc/Davis )

Clyne ( ) Fonte, ( Yoshida) Van Dyk ( Hooiveld) Bertrand(Targett)

Wanyama ( )

Dusan ( Taider) , Davis ( WP), Cork( Reed),
Ramirez ( Jayrod / Mc Queen)
Pelle ( Gallagher )


Not included Morgan.
With all due respect and a want to be positive, I don't think that's a particularly pleasing starting eleven.

Obviously, if that's what we've got, that's what we've got, and it's a good selection from what we've got, but...

Surely you aim to improve season on season. Surely the board have said they still have European ambitions. And surely that starting eleven is the same as last year with three untried players in for our three best players, JWP in for Spider, and an as yet unproven, injury prone player (Ramirez) in for Jay-Rod.

Add to that even less cover for injuries at the back and in attack (where we needed more cover in the first place regardless of sales) and the fact is we need to do much more.

Hoover shouldn't even be making the bench, even if we were only aiming mid-table. Yoshida is going to have to step up his performances and concentration to levels we've not seen yet if he's to be good enough as cover.

Let's not let the clean sheets in pre-season paper over the cracks, we need serious investment in the squad.

Upfront alone we've lost our proven 15 goals a season striker and Jay Rod is injured - about 25 goals missing overall at the start of the season.

We've lost Osvaldo and Guly has left also, Sharp is clearly not in our plans. We currently have Pelle and Sam as viable options.

So on that basis we need at least two more strikers of very high quality (and that's at the very least based on departures), probably three.

If we are aiming for Europe that would mean buying the likes of Ings in replacement of Guly, not Rickie. For Rickie we'd need top, top proven quality.

This isn't negative, it's just the facts of our squad againt our supposed aspirations, which have been set by Ralph. He set the aspirations, he sanctioned the sales, so he should know what's needed.
[quote][p][bold]devonsaint2[/bold] wrote: As a Saints fan for 49 yrs I am excited by this season...Players always leave, albeit not usually so many in one go. ( I think there was a huge amount of indoctrination by Cortese and with his press connections things just spiralled). New SEASON... I would be pleased to see the following team start |( if we can get the Celtic 2 ) Forster ( understudy Boruc/Davis ) Clyne ( ) Fonte, ( Yoshida) Van Dyk ( Hooiveld) Bertrand(Targett) Wanyama ( ) Dusan ( Taider) , Davis ( WP), Cork( Reed), Ramirez ( Jayrod / Mc Queen) Pelle ( Gallagher ) Not included Morgan.[/p][/quote]With all due respect and a want to be positive, I don't think that's a particularly pleasing starting eleven. Obviously, if that's what we've got, that's what we've got, and it's a good selection from what we've got, but... Surely you aim to improve season on season. Surely the board have said they still have European ambitions. And surely that starting eleven is the same as last year with three untried players in for our three best players, JWP in for Spider, and an as yet unproven, injury prone player (Ramirez) in for Jay-Rod. Add to that even less cover for injuries at the back and in attack (where we needed more cover in the first place regardless of sales) and the fact is we need to do much more. Hoover shouldn't even be making the bench, even if we were only aiming mid-table. Yoshida is going to have to step up his performances and concentration to levels we've not seen yet if he's to be good enough as cover. Let's not let the clean sheets in pre-season paper over the cracks, we need serious investment in the squad. Upfront alone we've lost our proven 15 goals a season striker and Jay Rod is injured - about 25 goals missing overall at the start of the season. We've lost Osvaldo and Guly has left also, Sharp is clearly not in our plans. We currently have Pelle and Sam as viable options. So on that basis we need at least two more strikers of very high quality (and that's at the very least based on departures), probably three. If we are aiming for Europe that would mean buying the likes of Ings in replacement of Guly, not Rickie. For Rickie we'd need top, top proven quality. This isn't negative, it's just the facts of our squad againt our supposed aspirations, which have been set by Ralph. He set the aspirations, he sanctioned the sales, so he should know what's needed. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

12:35pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Ozmosis wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so.
You fool Krueger said nobody was for sale and then went the spine of the team. WAKE UP and take your rose tinted glasses off!
I might be wrong but wasn't it Les Reed who said "we are not a selling club" and then relented, apparently, due to the top money offered. Kruger has not said a word up until this point, more's the pity. However I am inclined to believe that generally we got good value for the players we sold, and still suspect that Morgan may still go if the price is right. I'd like to think it won't be, and that even if it is the board will stand firm. Time will tell
I think you must have been asleep when he did his Sky Sports interview then. I'm pretty sure he said he was part of the core group we have decided to keep and that he wouldn't be leaving the club this summer.
[quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so.[/p][/quote]You fool Krueger said nobody was for sale and then went the spine of the team. WAKE UP and take your rose tinted glasses off![/p][/quote]I might be wrong but wasn't it Les Reed who said "we are not a selling club" and then relented, apparently, due to the top money offered. Kruger has not said a word up until this point, more's the pity. However I am inclined to believe that generally we got good value for the players we sold, and still suspect that Morgan may still go if the price is right. I'd like to think it won't be, and that even if it is the board will stand firm. Time will tell[/p][/quote]I think you must have been asleep when he did his Sky Sports interview then. I'm pretty sure he said he was part of the core group we have decided to keep and that he wouldn't be leaving the club this summer. SaintJD
  • Score: 3

12:36pm Tue 5 Aug 14

boilerman says...

We do not want other clubs cats offs.
Give us the money we want and let us decide for ourselves who we spend it on.
We do not want other clubs cats offs. Give us the money we want and let us decide for ourselves who we spend it on. boilerman
  • Score: 0

12:36pm Tue 5 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up.

Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense.

I hope so.
What he actually said was Morgan wasn't going anywhere this summer. The last day of the window is September the first, which can be interpreted as Autumn. One thing is certain he won't see the season out. I am sure of that.

You may say I am cynical saying that, but at the end of last season Krueger and Reed said there was no need to sell any of our players. I interpreted that to mean, but if we want to sell them, we will. I never ever thought it meant we wouldn't sell anybody. I thought and said in January we could lose up to 6 players before the start of next season because of our success in the league, the up coming World Cup and the exit of Cortese under a financial cloud.

Our board don't communicate in a straight forward manner, there is always ambiguity in what they say. Political statements all the time and no statement of intent or vision as Seedhouse would say. No commitment to the customers, always a double meaning.

Whereas The Dark Lord just used to lie. We have nothing to worry about if we go down, all the players will have their wages reduced if we end up in the Championship. Oh really, is that right!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so.[/p][/quote]What he actually said was Morgan wasn't going anywhere this summer. The last day of the window is September the first, which can be interpreted as Autumn. One thing is certain he won't see the season out. I am sure of that. You may say I am cynical saying that, but at the end of last season Krueger and Reed said there was no need to sell any of our players. I interpreted that to mean, but if we want to sell them, we will. I never ever thought it meant we wouldn't sell anybody. I thought and said in January we could lose up to 6 players before the start of next season because of our success in the league, the up coming World Cup and the exit of Cortese under a financial cloud. Our board don't communicate in a straight forward manner, there is always ambiguity in what they say. Political statements all the time and no statement of intent or vision as Seedhouse would say. No commitment to the customers, always a double meaning. Whereas The Dark Lord just used to lie. We have nothing to worry about if we go down, all the players will have their wages reduced if we end up in the Championship. Oh really, is that right! george chivers
  • Score: 0

12:42pm Tue 5 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Where's "one in the crowd"?.........You don't think he's upset that Man Ure have once again confirmed liverhampton will always be in their shadow.
I see the 2 dunnie dweller is still craving some attention though as usual.
He must be a very lonely person.
Back to Saints. If Spider gets sold I think it will be time to light the torches and storm the castle.
Where's "one in the crowd"?.........You don't think he's upset that Man Ure have once again confirmed liverhampton will always be in their shadow. I see the 2 dunnie dweller is still craving some attention though as usual. He must be a very lonely person. Back to Saints. If Spider gets sold I think it will be time to light the torches and storm the castle. J7junctionseven
  • Score: 10

12:43pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Chapperall says...

At the end of the day all or most of the supporters want the board to stand by their word this time and that Spider stays. If they let him go it will create another barrage of clubs wanting what's left of our team. The news about players coming in has gone very quiet and yet RK said we would have more signings over last weekend. To date no sign. If we go into the new season with the current 3 CBs we are in real trouble. Fonte is ok if he has a solid player alongside him. Just look back at last season when either Fonte or Lovren were injured we leaked goals at the back. The backbone of a team is to get the defence solid.
At the end of the day all or most of the supporters want the board to stand by their word this time and that Spider stays. If they let him go it will create another barrage of clubs wanting what's left of our team. The news about players coming in has gone very quiet and yet RK said we would have more signings over last weekend. To date no sign. If we go into the new season with the current 3 CBs we are in real trouble. Fonte is ok if he has a solid player alongside him. Just look back at last season when either Fonte or Lovren were injured we leaked goals at the back. The backbone of a team is to get the defence solid. Chapperall
  • Score: 2

12:46pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Costa Baz says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
saint Compo wrote: How about a bit of real investigative journalism (for a change) from the Echo about the impact of the Premier League's Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on smaller clubs like Saints? Although it's hard to retain top players who want to play in Europe, it's now impossible to meet their high wage demands too. Under FFP Saints are severely restricted in the amount they can increase their total wage bill year on year with the result that they cannot go anywhere near meeting the levels of wages demanded by the best players. Although the FFP are mainly designed to stop clubs from going bust, they also serve to maintain the status quo whereby the 'Big' clubs can continue to pay high (though not ever increasingly exhorbitant) wages while the smaller clubs, like Saints, are stuck with the lower level pay scales. What's more, the Big clubs can increase their commercial revenues (through brand exploitation and pre-season matches in the States!) and TV revenues (by being featured heavily on Sky and now BT Sports). This raises their overall income levels at a faster rate than Saints can hope to achieve and so enables them to increase their wage bills at a faster rate. (It explains why Ralph Krueger is focused on increasing Saints commercial revenues. However, that's hard to do without first achieving success on the pitch. Chicken and egg!) The upshot is that the cartel of the Big clubs will be perpetuated and a smaller club will find it virtually impossible to break into the cartel. Even if Saints were taken over by an Arab or Chinese multi-billionaire willing to pump in hundreds of millions of pounds, the FFP would restrict the signing of high wage earning players to make the break-through. So the Big 6 will go from strength to strength while the other clubs will have to settle for mid-table mediocrity, as a minimum avoiding relegation and at best regarding a top 8 finish as a great success. So, fellow Saints fans, let's just accept our plight and support the team we love. Let's be honest, thanks to St Markus, we are in far better shape now than we were 5 years ago. We could have become a Poopey! Let's be grateful for the success of the last 5 years and be positive about the future despite the inevitable limitations imposed on us. COYR
FFP is just so subtle. How didn't the other chairmen see it coming?
Maybe, just maybe Cortese did see it coming, and this is his leaving present to the fans, and the board?

We now know that Cortese tendered his resignation, last summer, but did he not also have "clear the air talks" with Katharina, part way through the previous season, with rumours circulating that he was leaving, then?

Maybe it was always his intention to resign, last summer, after he had overseen new contracts, riddled with little time bombs, due to go off, after his departure?

Luke Shaw, it seems, was promised a transfer, which indicates it was written into his contract.
Rumours have circulated, on some forums, that Chambers too, had a get out clause, in his contract.

The difficult financial situation, the board inherited. What if that isn't a reference to the transfer debt, but a hidden reference to bonuses and/or wage increases that are not sustainable, under FFP?

Maybe Cortese, a man known for his childish and petulant behaviour, just lit the blue touch paper, and retired, waiting for the fireworks?

First he times his resignation to coincide with the transfer window.
Second, his staunch ally, Pochettino, dicks the board and the fans around, for several weeks, hindering our chance to recruit his replacement, early.
Third, the rumours start rising about players bonuses/wage increases not being honoured.
Fourth, the relentless efforts of key players, forcing their way out of the club, creating even more unrest amongst the fans.

Just theory, backed up by no "in the know" knowledge, but everyone else seems to have their own theory, so why shouldn't I?
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint Compo[/bold] wrote: How about a bit of real investigative journalism (for a change) from the Echo about the impact of the Premier League's Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on smaller clubs like Saints? Although it's hard to retain top players who want to play in Europe, it's now impossible to meet their high wage demands too. Under FFP Saints are severely restricted in the amount they can increase their total wage bill year on year with the result that they cannot go anywhere near meeting the levels of wages demanded by the best players. Although the FFP are mainly designed to stop clubs from going bust, they also serve to maintain the status quo whereby the 'Big' clubs can continue to pay high (though not ever increasingly exhorbitant) wages while the smaller clubs, like Saints, are stuck with the lower level pay scales. What's more, the Big clubs can increase their commercial revenues (through brand exploitation and pre-season matches in the States!) and TV revenues (by being featured heavily on Sky and now BT Sports). This raises their overall income levels at a faster rate than Saints can hope to achieve and so enables them to increase their wage bills at a faster rate. (It explains why Ralph Krueger is focused on increasing Saints commercial revenues. However, that's hard to do without first achieving success on the pitch. Chicken and egg!) The upshot is that the cartel of the Big clubs will be perpetuated and a smaller club will find it virtually impossible to break into the cartel. Even if Saints were taken over by an Arab or Chinese multi-billionaire willing to pump in hundreds of millions of pounds, the FFP would restrict the signing of high wage earning players to make the break-through. So the Big 6 will go from strength to strength while the other clubs will have to settle for mid-table mediocrity, as a minimum avoiding relegation and at best regarding a top 8 finish as a great success. So, fellow Saints fans, let's just accept our plight and support the team we love. Let's be honest, thanks to St Markus, we are in far better shape now than we were 5 years ago. We could have become a Poopey! Let's be grateful for the success of the last 5 years and be positive about the future despite the inevitable limitations imposed on us. COYR[/p][/quote]FFP is just so subtle. How didn't the other chairmen see it coming?[/p][/quote]Maybe, just maybe Cortese did see it coming, and this is his leaving present to the fans, and the board? We now know that Cortese tendered his resignation, last summer, but did he not also have "clear the air talks" with Katharina, part way through the previous season, with rumours circulating that he was leaving, then? Maybe it was always his intention to resign, last summer, after he had overseen new contracts, riddled with little time bombs, due to go off, after his departure? Luke Shaw, it seems, was promised a transfer, which indicates it was written into his contract. Rumours have circulated, on some forums, that Chambers too, had a get out clause, in his contract. The difficult financial situation, the board inherited. What if that isn't a reference to the transfer debt, but a hidden reference to bonuses and/or wage increases that are not sustainable, under FFP? Maybe Cortese, a man known for his childish and petulant behaviour, just lit the blue touch paper, and retired, waiting for the fireworks? First he times his resignation to coincide with the transfer window. Second, his staunch ally, Pochettino, dicks the board and the fans around, for several weeks, hindering our chance to recruit his replacement, early. Third, the rumours start rising about players bonuses/wage increases not being honoured. Fourth, the relentless efforts of key players, forcing their way out of the club, creating even more unrest amongst the fans. Just theory, backed up by no "in the know" knowledge, but everyone else seems to have their own theory, so why shouldn't I? Costa Baz
  • Score: 9

12:46pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

SnapperSaint wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo



gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Thanks for this Costa Baz. This is a superb read and really puts things into perspective. It is good to know that he is a Saints fan and will continue to make these sort of blogs in future. The DE should copy these blog on here. It was even missed under the Southampton "News Now" site. Anyway, it is essential reading for all Saints fans and, hopefully, it will reduce the amount of unjustified and misdirected criticism the club has endured in the last few weeks.
I don't think the criticism was unjustified, the club have been saying precious little to give any fans the reassurances they craved, so in that vacuum the press has fuelled the fans interest and the criticism has resulted.
It has taken some of the more thoughtful posters, and Costa's blogger, to provide a little of the reasoning behind what actually might be happening at the club. So I don't blame the posters, not even the more outspoken ones, I think this board needs at some point soon to provide a more detailed explanation of why we are where we are or risk fulfilling Seed's assertion that they don't know what they are doing.
Queue the chant normally levelled at referees, '...you don't know what you're doing...' could be what we sing at the first home match directed towards those in the chairman's box!
Good shout Snapper,if the explanation is so simple,and is beyond the boards control,the only thing I would say,is why can't they just come out and say that is the reason for what is going on,instead of saying one thing and doing the opposite,and being "economical" with the truth all the time.
All that does is increase speculation that it is all being done with the sale of the club in mind,otherwise,why the silence?
[quote][p][bold]SnapperSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Thanks for this Costa Baz. This is a superb read and really puts things into perspective. It is good to know that he is a Saints fan and will continue to make these sort of blogs in future. The DE should copy these blog on here. It was even missed under the Southampton "News Now" site. Anyway, it is essential reading for all Saints fans and, hopefully, it will reduce the amount of unjustified and misdirected criticism the club has endured in the last few weeks.[/p][/quote]I don't think the criticism was unjustified, the club have been saying precious little to give any fans the reassurances they craved, so in that vacuum the press has fuelled the fans interest and the criticism has resulted. It has taken some of the more thoughtful posters, and Costa's blogger, to provide a little of the reasoning behind what actually might be happening at the club. So I don't blame the posters, not even the more outspoken ones, I think this board needs at some point soon to provide a more detailed explanation of why we are where we are or risk fulfilling Seed's assertion that they don't know what they are doing. Queue the chant normally levelled at referees, '...you don't know what you're doing...' could be what we sing at the first home match directed towards those in the chairman's box![/p][/quote]Good shout Snapper,if the explanation is so simple,and is beyond the boards control,the only thing I would say,is why can't they just come out and say that is the reason for what is going on,instead of saying one thing and doing the opposite,and being "economical" with the truth all the time. All that does is increase speculation that it is all being done with the sale of the club in mind,otherwise,why the silence? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -2

12:47pm Tue 5 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
just more media tripe.
they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again.


seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble.
if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy!
The battles may have been with the players rather than the opposing clubs but however you want to look at it he said no players were for sale and then sold 5. Adam was there for the persuading, no doubt about it although Luke was off.

Ralphy even sat on telly and said no player would be sold before a new manager was appointed and then did a deal on Lambert later the same facking day!! Jesus, has he no pride or integrity? Even if he'd said to Brenda:

'Listen mush, happy to sell you the old git but I've just made a silly statement on telly and this lot, particularly Seed, will bash me about the head with it so can we reach a gentleman's agreement and finalise it after the World Cup?'

Brenda: 'No. Everyone knows you're a liar.'

Heiligen your defence of the board is becoming unsustainable. Will you at least agree, after his categoric statement, that Ralph has to go if we sell Morgan this summer?
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on certain subjects seed. you have your view I have mine and whichever is right it will either be good or bad for the club, if neither of us is right then god knows what will happen.
as you say with ralphs unambiguous statement regarding spider and J-rod he will have no other option but to quit if, and I don't think they will, either are sold. they didn't go back on their word in the jan window when they said none would be sold so I have to take them at their word. they didn't say though that they wouldn't be `loaned` out! ;0) oh no what have I said certain, not you seed, posters will now keep telling us that they will be loaned!
as I say seed lets just agree to disagree and get back to the important job of supporting the team, we still have some excellent players and will imo bring in some more. I think we are in for a very exciting season with lots of twists and turns and plenty of goals!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: just more media tripe. they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again. seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble. if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy![/p][/quote]The battles may have been with the players rather than the opposing clubs but however you want to look at it he said no players were for sale and then sold 5. Adam was there for the persuading, no doubt about it although Luke was off. Ralphy even sat on telly and said no player would be sold before a new manager was appointed and then did a deal on Lambert later the same facking day!! Jesus, has he no pride or integrity? Even if he'd said to Brenda: 'Listen mush, happy to sell you the old git but I've just made a silly statement on telly and this lot, particularly Seed, will bash me about the head with it so can we reach a gentleman's agreement and finalise it after the World Cup?' Brenda: 'No. Everyone knows you're a liar.' Heiligen your defence of the board is becoming unsustainable. Will you at least agree, after his categoric statement, that Ralph has to go if we sell Morgan this summer?[/p][/quote]I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on certain subjects seed. you have your view I have mine and whichever is right it will either be good or bad for the club, if neither of us is right then god knows what will happen. as you say with ralphs unambiguous statement regarding spider and J-rod he will have no other option but to quit if, and I don't think they will, either are sold. they didn't go back on their word in the jan window when they said none would be sold so I have to take them at their word. they didn't say though that they wouldn't be `loaned` out! ;0) oh no what have I said certain, not you seed, posters will now keep telling us that they will be loaned! as I say seed lets just agree to disagree and get back to the important job of supporting the team, we still have some excellent players and will imo bring in some more. I think we are in for a very exciting season with lots of twists and turns and plenty of goals! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 7

12:53pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Saints n Winners says...

ctsaint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo


gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read.

I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future.

Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists.

By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc
I am more cynical about that blog.

All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year.

This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read. I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future. Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists. By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc[/p][/quote]I am more cynical about that blog. All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year. This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board. Saints n Winners
  • Score: -2

12:59pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo



gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read.

I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future.

Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists.

By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc
I am more cynical about that blog.

All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year.

This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.
Well,the guy has been pretty desperate to advertise it,and get everyone to read it over the past few days...that's true!
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read. I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future. Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists. By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc[/p][/quote]I am more cynical about that blog. All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year. This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.[/p][/quote]Well,the guy has been pretty desperate to advertise it,and get everyone to read it over the past few days...that's true! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

1:14pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Saints n Winners says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo




gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read.

I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future.

Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists.

By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc
I am more cynical about that blog.

All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year.

This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.
Well,the guy has been pretty desperate to advertise it,and get everyone to read it over the past few days...that's true!
Too true. This blog is just too convenient.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read. I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future. Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists. By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc[/p][/quote]I am more cynical about that blog. All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year. This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.[/p][/quote]Well,the guy has been pretty desperate to advertise it,and get everyone to read it over the past few days...that's true![/p][/quote]Too true. This blog is just too convenient. Saints n Winners
  • Score: -2

1:20pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo





gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read.

I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future.

Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists.

By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc
I am more cynical about that blog.

All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year.

This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.
Well,the guy has been pretty desperate to advertise it,and get everyone to read it over the past few days...that's true!
Too true. This blog is just too convenient.
What a tangled web they weave..glad I've retired!
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read. I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future. Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists. By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc[/p][/quote]I am more cynical about that blog. All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year. This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.[/p][/quote]Well,the guy has been pretty desperate to advertise it,and get everyone to read it over the past few days...that's true![/p][/quote]Too true. This blog is just too convenient.[/p][/quote]What a tangled web they weave..glad I've retired! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

1:25pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Ozmosis says...

SaintJD wrote:
Ozmosis wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so.
You fool Krueger said nobody was for sale and then went the spine of the team. WAKE UP and take your rose tinted glasses off!
I might be wrong but wasn't it Les Reed who said "we are not a selling club" and then relented, apparently, due to the top money offered. Kruger has not said a word up until this point, more's the pity. However I am inclined to believe that generally we got good value for the players we sold, and still suspect that Morgan may still go if the price is right. I'd like to think it won't be, and that even if it is the board will stand firm. Time will tell
I think you must have been asleep when he did his Sky Sports interview then. I'm pretty sure he said he was part of the core group we have decided to keep and that he wouldn't be leaving the club this summer.
Hadn't the spine of the team gone by the time Kruger did his interview? As I said I might be wrong...
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so.[/p][/quote]You fool Krueger said nobody was for sale and then went the spine of the team. WAKE UP and take your rose tinted glasses off![/p][/quote]I might be wrong but wasn't it Les Reed who said "we are not a selling club" and then relented, apparently, due to the top money offered. Kruger has not said a word up until this point, more's the pity. However I am inclined to believe that generally we got good value for the players we sold, and still suspect that Morgan may still go if the price is right. I'd like to think it won't be, and that even if it is the board will stand firm. Time will tell[/p][/quote]I think you must have been asleep when he did his Sky Sports interview then. I'm pretty sure he said he was part of the core group we have decided to keep and that he wouldn't be leaving the club this summer.[/p][/quote]Hadn't the spine of the team gone by the time Kruger did his interview? As I said I might be wrong... Ozmosis
  • Score: 3

1:26pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Jesus_02 says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Clever Dick wrote: Dopey Levy. Morgan is not for sale, especially to a bunch of shysters like Spuds. Don't bother offering us any players, if you have any we want we'll ask. Do't you have better things to do like preparing the dismissal of the lying deceitful Argie.
I hope you are right but I fear that the signing of more midfielders indicates that Morgan will be sold, just hope it is not to Spurs. Also don't think Chiriches is good enough, certainly no better than Hoover or Fonte, we need TWO better CB's.
I would accept selling Morgan to anyone abroad even if it was less than a domestic sale. A deal that see us mopping up Spurs failed transfer policy is simply bad business.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Dopey Levy. Morgan is not for sale, especially to a bunch of shysters like Spuds. Don't bother offering us any players, if you have any we want we'll ask. Do't you have better things to do like preparing the dismissal of the lying deceitful Argie.[/p][/quote]I hope you are right but I fear that the signing of more midfielders indicates that Morgan will be sold, just hope it is not to Spurs. Also don't think Chiriches is good enough, certainly no better than Hoover or Fonte, we need TWO better CB's.[/p][/quote]I would accept selling Morgan to anyone abroad even if it was less than a domestic sale. A deal that see us mopping up Spurs failed transfer policy is simply bad business. Jesus_02
  • Score: 3

1:28pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Ozmosis says...

Ozmosis wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Ozmosis wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so.
You fool Krueger said nobody was for sale and then went the spine of the team. WAKE UP and take your rose tinted glasses off!
I might be wrong but wasn't it Les Reed who said "we are not a selling club" and then relented, apparently, due to the top money offered. Kruger has not said a word up until this point, more's the pity. However I am inclined to believe that generally we got good value for the players we sold, and still suspect that Morgan may still go if the price is right. I'd like to think it won't be, and that even if it is the board will stand firm. Time will tell
I think you must have been asleep when he did his Sky Sports interview then. I'm pretty sure he said he was part of the core group we have decided to keep and that he wouldn't be leaving the club this summer.
Hadn't the spine of the team gone by the time Kruger did his interview? As I said I might be wrong...
Apologies, he did an interview in May which coincided with me being abroad and without web access. That one completely passed me by, so I take your point entirely
[quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so.[/p][/quote]You fool Krueger said nobody was for sale and then went the spine of the team. WAKE UP and take your rose tinted glasses off![/p][/quote]I might be wrong but wasn't it Les Reed who said "we are not a selling club" and then relented, apparently, due to the top money offered. Kruger has not said a word up until this point, more's the pity. However I am inclined to believe that generally we got good value for the players we sold, and still suspect that Morgan may still go if the price is right. I'd like to think it won't be, and that even if it is the board will stand firm. Time will tell[/p][/quote]I think you must have been asleep when he did his Sky Sports interview then. I'm pretty sure he said he was part of the core group we have decided to keep and that he wouldn't be leaving the club this summer.[/p][/quote]Hadn't the spine of the team gone by the time Kruger did his interview? As I said I might be wrong...[/p][/quote]Apologies, he did an interview in May which coincided with me being abroad and without web access. That one completely passed me by, so I take your point entirely Ozmosis
  • Score: 2

1:39pm Tue 5 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Where's "one in the crowd"?.........You don't think he's upset that Man Ure have once again confirmed liverhampton will always be in their shadow.
I see the 2 dunnie dweller is still craving some attention though as usual.
He must be a very lonely person.
Back to Saints. If Spider gets sold I think it will be time to light the torches and storm the castle.
RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN.
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Where's "one in the crowd"?.........You don't think he's upset that Man Ure have once again confirmed liverhampton will always be in their shadow. I see the 2 dunnie dweller is still craving some attention though as usual. He must be a very lonely person. Back to Saints. If Spider gets sold I think it will be time to light the torches and storm the castle.[/p][/quote]RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 4

1:40pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
just more media tripe.
they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again.


seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble.
if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy!
The battles may have been with the players rather than the opposing clubs but however you want to look at it he said no players were for sale and then sold 5. Adam was there for the persuading, no doubt about it although Luke was off.

Ralphy even sat on telly and said no player would be sold before a new manager was appointed and then did a deal on Lambert later the same facking day!! Jesus, has he no pride or integrity? Even if he'd said to Brenda:

'Listen mush, happy to sell you the old git but I've just made a silly statement on telly and this lot, particularly Seed, will bash me about the head with it so can we reach a gentleman's agreement and finalise it after the World Cup?'

Brenda: 'No. Everyone knows you're a liar.'

Heiligen your defence of the board is becoming unsustainable. Will you at least agree, after his categoric statement, that Ralph has to go if we sell Morgan this summer?
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on certain subjects seed. you have your view I have mine and whichever is right it will either be good or bad for the club, if neither of us is right then god knows what will happen.
as you say with ralphs unambiguous statement regarding spider and J-rod he will have no other option but to quit if, and I don't think they will, either are sold. they didn't go back on their word in the jan window when they said none would be sold so I have to take them at their word. they didn't say though that they wouldn't be `loaned` out! ;0) oh no what have I said certain, not you seed, posters will now keep telling us that they will be loaned!
as I say seed lets just agree to disagree and get back to the important job of supporting the team, we still have some excellent players and will imo bring in some more. I think we are in for a very exciting season with lots of twists and turns and plenty of goals!
We agree on one thing then! Kreuger goes if Morgan or Jay are sold this window.

Let me give you an example of the knock on effects of this. Seed the Small is a big Saints fan, he's 12 and has been coming with me regularly for the last 5 seasons. Last year he went to most home games and several away including City, Liverpool and West Ham. Just now I spoke to him as I have him the week of 23rd August which is first home game of the season, T20 finals day at Egbaston and we have also been invited on a clay pigeon shoot. He was adamant T20 or shoot, not interested in going to SMS. I pushed him but he says he's lost all interest, we've sold the players he identified with and doesn't feel the same anymore. So I've booked the T20 tickets. That is what this board have done.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: just more media tripe. they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again. seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble. if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy![/p][/quote]The battles may have been with the players rather than the opposing clubs but however you want to look at it he said no players were for sale and then sold 5. Adam was there for the persuading, no doubt about it although Luke was off. Ralphy even sat on telly and said no player would be sold before a new manager was appointed and then did a deal on Lambert later the same facking day!! Jesus, has he no pride or integrity? Even if he'd said to Brenda: 'Listen mush, happy to sell you the old git but I've just made a silly statement on telly and this lot, particularly Seed, will bash me about the head with it so can we reach a gentleman's agreement and finalise it after the World Cup?' Brenda: 'No. Everyone knows you're a liar.' Heiligen your defence of the board is becoming unsustainable. Will you at least agree, after his categoric statement, that Ralph has to go if we sell Morgan this summer?[/p][/quote]I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on certain subjects seed. you have your view I have mine and whichever is right it will either be good or bad for the club, if neither of us is right then god knows what will happen. as you say with ralphs unambiguous statement regarding spider and J-rod he will have no other option but to quit if, and I don't think they will, either are sold. they didn't go back on their word in the jan window when they said none would be sold so I have to take them at their word. they didn't say though that they wouldn't be `loaned` out! ;0) oh no what have I said certain, not you seed, posters will now keep telling us that they will be loaned! as I say seed lets just agree to disagree and get back to the important job of supporting the team, we still have some excellent players and will imo bring in some more. I think we are in for a very exciting season with lots of twists and turns and plenty of goals![/p][/quote]We agree on one thing then! Kreuger goes if Morgan or Jay are sold this window. Let me give you an example of the knock on effects of this. Seed the Small is a big Saints fan, he's 12 and has been coming with me regularly for the last 5 seasons. Last year he went to most home games and several away including City, Liverpool and West Ham. Just now I spoke to him as I have him the week of 23rd August which is first home game of the season, T20 finals day at Egbaston and we have also been invited on a clay pigeon shoot. He was adamant T20 or shoot, not interested in going to SMS. I pushed him but he says he's lost all interest, we've sold the players he identified with and doesn't feel the same anymore. So I've booked the T20 tickets. That is what this board have done. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -4

1:47pm Tue 5 Aug 14

ItchenBridger says...

boilerman wrote:
We do not want other clubs cats offs.
Give us the money we want and let us decide for ourselves who we spend it on.
Our cats off on his holidays. The Isle of Man again looking for the folks who won the three legged race in Glasgow.
Thereby hangs the tail.
[quote][p][bold]boilerman[/bold] wrote: We do not want other clubs cats offs. Give us the money we want and let us decide for ourselves who we spend it on.[/p][/quote]Our cats off on his holidays. The Isle of Man again looking for the folks who won the three legged race in Glasgow. Thereby hangs the tail. ItchenBridger
  • Score: 5

1:50pm Tue 5 Aug 14

drkensta says...

What has happened to the 2 players from Inter we were supposed to have in exchange for Osvaldo? It is about time they were here, if they are coming. Too much speculation on this player and that player. I think that Koeman should outline just who he is wanting in the team, and if there are on-going efforts to get them transferred in
What has happened to the 2 players from Inter we were supposed to have in exchange for Osvaldo? It is about time they were here, if they are coming. Too much speculation on this player and that player. I think that Koeman should outline just who he is wanting in the team, and if there are on-going efforts to get them transferred in drkensta
  • Score: -1

1:51pm Tue 5 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Farsical article in the mirror about 5 Dutch players your club should sign......Heavily pro Man Ure and Spuds but we are mentioned
They list five of the Dutch world cup squad that they feel will would be good signings for PL clubs and then give their "opinion" as to which club would suit each player.
1.Daley Blind - Would suit Man Ure or Spuds
2. Memphis Depay - Would suit Man Ure or Spuds
3. Jordy Clasie - Would suit Everton or Southampton - Then says would Jordi Clasie and Bruno Martins fit in at Man Ure ? ( Oh! there's a surprise)
4.Zakkarria Bakkali - Would suit Spuds, Liverpool or Southampton
5. Georginio Wijnaldum - Would suit Everton, Newcastle, Swansea or Southampton.

If only.
Farsical article in the mirror about 5 Dutch players your club should sign......Heavily pro Man Ure and Spuds but we are mentioned They list five of the Dutch world cup squad that they feel will would be good signings for PL clubs and then give their "opinion" as to which club would suit each player. 1.Daley Blind - Would suit Man Ure or Spuds 2. Memphis Depay - Would suit Man Ure or Spuds 3. Jordy Clasie - Would suit Everton or Southampton - Then says would Jordi Clasie and Bruno Martins fit in at Man Ure ? ( Oh! there's a surprise) 4.Zakkarria Bakkali - Would suit Spuds, Liverpool or Southampton 5. Georginio Wijnaldum - Would suit Everton, Newcastle, Swansea or Southampton. If only. J7junctionseven
  • Score: 4

1:57pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Ozmosis wrote:
Ozmosis wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Ozmosis wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so.
You fool Krueger said nobody was for sale and then went the spine of the team. WAKE UP and take your rose tinted glasses off!
I might be wrong but wasn't it Les Reed who said "we are not a selling club" and then relented, apparently, due to the top money offered. Kruger has not said a word up until this point, more's the pity. However I am inclined to believe that generally we got good value for the players we sold, and still suspect that Morgan may still go if the price is right. I'd like to think it won't be, and that even if it is the board will stand firm. Time will tell
I think you must have been asleep when he did his Sky Sports interview then. I'm pretty sure he said he was part of the core group we have decided to keep and that he wouldn't be leaving the club this summer.
Hadn't the spine of the team gone by the time Kruger did his interview? As I said I might be wrong...
Apologies, he did an interview in May which coincided with me being abroad and without web access. That one completely passed me by, so I take your point entirely
I was talking about an interview he did on Wednesday last week I think? There were a few of them - one via mobile on Sky Sports and this one in the Echo. Sorry, you might have been specifically saying he'd not said 'nobody is going to be sold' in which case I believe you're right - he wasn't 100% adamant until this statement last week:

http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/sport/saints/
news/11373366.Kruege
r_insists_J_Rod_and_
Morgan_not_for_sale/
?ref=arc
[quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so.[/p][/quote]You fool Krueger said nobody was for sale and then went the spine of the team. WAKE UP and take your rose tinted glasses off![/p][/quote]I might be wrong but wasn't it Les Reed who said "we are not a selling club" and then relented, apparently, due to the top money offered. Kruger has not said a word up until this point, more's the pity. However I am inclined to believe that generally we got good value for the players we sold, and still suspect that Morgan may still go if the price is right. I'd like to think it won't be, and that even if it is the board will stand firm. Time will tell[/p][/quote]I think you must have been asleep when he did his Sky Sports interview then. I'm pretty sure he said he was part of the core group we have decided to keep and that he wouldn't be leaving the club this summer.[/p][/quote]Hadn't the spine of the team gone by the time Kruger did his interview? As I said I might be wrong...[/p][/quote]Apologies, he did an interview in May which coincided with me being abroad and without web access. That one completely passed me by, so I take your point entirely[/p][/quote]I was talking about an interview he did on Wednesday last week I think? There were a few of them - one via mobile on Sky Sports and this one in the Echo. Sorry, you might have been specifically saying he'd not said 'nobody is going to be sold' in which case I believe you're right - he wasn't 100% adamant until this statement last week: http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/sport/saints/ news/11373366.Kruege r_insists_J_Rod_and_ Morgan_not_for_sale/ ?ref=arc SaintJD
  • Score: 0

1:58pm Tue 5 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
saint Compo wrote: How about a bit of real investigative journalism (for a change) from the Echo about the impact of the Premier League's Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on smaller clubs like Saints? Although it's hard to retain top players who want to play in Europe, it's now impossible to meet their high wage demands too. Under FFP Saints are severely restricted in the amount they can increase their total wage bill year on year with the result that they cannot go anywhere near meeting the levels of wages demanded by the best players. Although the FFP are mainly designed to stop clubs from going bust, they also serve to maintain the status quo whereby the 'Big' clubs can continue to pay high (though not ever increasingly exhorbitant) wages while the smaller clubs, like Saints, are stuck with the lower level pay scales. What's more, the Big clubs can increase their commercial revenues (through brand exploitation and pre-season matches in the States!) and TV revenues (by being featured heavily on Sky and now BT Sports). This raises their overall income levels at a faster rate than Saints can hope to achieve and so enables them to increase their wage bills at a faster rate. (It explains why Ralph Krueger is focused on increasing Saints commercial revenues. However, that's hard to do without first achieving success on the pitch. Chicken and egg!) The upshot is that the cartel of the Big clubs will be perpetuated and a smaller club will find it virtually impossible to break into the cartel. Even if Saints were taken over by an Arab or Chinese multi-billionaire willing to pump in hundreds of millions of pounds, the FFP would restrict the signing of high wage earning players to make the break-through. So the Big 6 will go from strength to strength while the other clubs will have to settle for mid-table mediocrity, as a minimum avoiding relegation and at best regarding a top 8 finish as a great success. So, fellow Saints fans, let's just accept our plight and support the team we love. Let's be honest, thanks to St Markus, we are in far better shape now than we were 5 years ago. We could have become a Poopey! Let's be grateful for the success of the last 5 years and be positive about the future despite the inevitable limitations imposed on us. COYR
FFP is just so subtle. How didn't the other chairmen see it coming?
Maybe, just maybe Cortese did see it coming, and this is his leaving present to the fans, and the board?

We now know that Cortese tendered his resignation, last summer, but did he not also have "clear the air talks" with Katharina, part way through the previous season, with rumours circulating that he was leaving, then?

Maybe it was always his intention to resign, last summer, after he had overseen new contracts, riddled with little time bombs, due to go off, after his departure?

Luke Shaw, it seems, was promised a transfer, which indicates it was written into his contract.
Rumours have circulated, on some forums, that Chambers too, had a get out clause, in his contract.

The difficult financial situation, the board inherited. What if that isn't a reference to the transfer debt, but a hidden reference to bonuses and/or wage increases that are not sustainable, under FFP?

Maybe Cortese, a man known for his childish and petulant behaviour, just lit the blue touch paper, and retired, waiting for the fireworks?

First he times his resignation to coincide with the transfer window.
Second, his staunch ally, Pochettino, dicks the board and the fans around, for several weeks, hindering our chance to recruit his replacement, early.
Third, the rumours start rising about players bonuses/wage increases not being honoured.
Fourth, the relentless efforts of key players, forcing their way out of the club, creating even more unrest amongst the fans.

Just theory, backed up by no "in the know" knowledge, but everyone else seems to have their own theory, so why shouldn't I?
I think your spot on baz.
luke, chambers and liarlanna all signed new deals last summer and are all gone this summer, dejerk signed last summer and has gone this summer. is it all just a big coincidence? why would NC offer luke a deal that he would be allowed to leave this summer, and chambers if the rumours are true and not liarlanna?
NC knew he was on his way out so did he try to get one over on KL before he left?
its long been rumoured, and from reliable sources, that an ex employee has been giving the media inside info etc. is NC using his media ties to release vital information? we do know one thing and that's most of these rumours have come from media outlets that NC used to favour. take ben smith and his latest carp piece, how does he know what NC did to persuade luke to stay another year amongst other things he said? we all know he is in NC`s pocket and the club will know that as well so they wont give him any time.
does NC feel hes lost custody of his baby after his `divorce` with KL? is he being like some `parents` are after a `divorce` and trying get the children (us) to think that he was the better `parent` and the one who cared about us whilst the other `parent` (KL) isn't interested in us, has no time for us and will take all our toys away before she puts us up for adoption?
again like you its just an opinion and im not saying its right.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint Compo[/bold] wrote: How about a bit of real investigative journalism (for a change) from the Echo about the impact of the Premier League's Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules on smaller clubs like Saints? Although it's hard to retain top players who want to play in Europe, it's now impossible to meet their high wage demands too. Under FFP Saints are severely restricted in the amount they can increase their total wage bill year on year with the result that they cannot go anywhere near meeting the levels of wages demanded by the best players. Although the FFP are mainly designed to stop clubs from going bust, they also serve to maintain the status quo whereby the 'Big' clubs can continue to pay high (though not ever increasingly exhorbitant) wages while the smaller clubs, like Saints, are stuck with the lower level pay scales. What's more, the Big clubs can increase their commercial revenues (through brand exploitation and pre-season matches in the States!) and TV revenues (by being featured heavily on Sky and now BT Sports). This raises their overall income levels at a faster rate than Saints can hope to achieve and so enables them to increase their wage bills at a faster rate. (It explains why Ralph Krueger is focused on increasing Saints commercial revenues. However, that's hard to do without first achieving success on the pitch. Chicken and egg!) The upshot is that the cartel of the Big clubs will be perpetuated and a smaller club will find it virtually impossible to break into the cartel. Even if Saints were taken over by an Arab or Chinese multi-billionaire willing to pump in hundreds of millions of pounds, the FFP would restrict the signing of high wage earning players to make the break-through. So the Big 6 will go from strength to strength while the other clubs will have to settle for mid-table mediocrity, as a minimum avoiding relegation and at best regarding a top 8 finish as a great success. So, fellow Saints fans, let's just accept our plight and support the team we love. Let's be honest, thanks to St Markus, we are in far better shape now than we were 5 years ago. We could have become a Poopey! Let's be grateful for the success of the last 5 years and be positive about the future despite the inevitable limitations imposed on us. COYR[/p][/quote]FFP is just so subtle. How didn't the other chairmen see it coming?[/p][/quote]Maybe, just maybe Cortese did see it coming, and this is his leaving present to the fans, and the board? We now know that Cortese tendered his resignation, last summer, but did he not also have "clear the air talks" with Katharina, part way through the previous season, with rumours circulating that he was leaving, then? Maybe it was always his intention to resign, last summer, after he had overseen new contracts, riddled with little time bombs, due to go off, after his departure? Luke Shaw, it seems, was promised a transfer, which indicates it was written into his contract. Rumours have circulated, on some forums, that Chambers too, had a get out clause, in his contract. The difficult financial situation, the board inherited. What if that isn't a reference to the transfer debt, but a hidden reference to bonuses and/or wage increases that are not sustainable, under FFP? Maybe Cortese, a man known for his childish and petulant behaviour, just lit the blue touch paper, and retired, waiting for the fireworks? First he times his resignation to coincide with the transfer window. Second, his staunch ally, Pochettino, dicks the board and the fans around, for several weeks, hindering our chance to recruit his replacement, early. Third, the rumours start rising about players bonuses/wage increases not being honoured. Fourth, the relentless efforts of key players, forcing their way out of the club, creating even more unrest amongst the fans. Just theory, backed up by no "in the know" knowledge, but everyone else seems to have their own theory, so why shouldn't I?[/p][/quote]I think your spot on baz. luke, chambers and liarlanna all signed new deals last summer and are all gone this summer, dejerk signed last summer and has gone this summer. is it all just a big coincidence? why would NC offer luke a deal that he would be allowed to leave this summer, and chambers if the rumours are true and not liarlanna? NC knew he was on his way out so did he try to get one over on KL before he left? its long been rumoured, and from reliable sources, that an ex employee has been giving the media inside info etc. is NC using his media ties to release vital information? we do know one thing and that's most of these rumours have come from media outlets that NC used to favour. take ben smith and his latest carp piece, how does he know what NC did to persuade luke to stay another year amongst other things he said? we all know he is in NC`s pocket and the club will know that as well so they wont give him any time. does NC feel hes lost custody of his baby after his `divorce` with KL? is he being like some `parents` are after a `divorce` and trying get the children (us) to think that he was the better `parent` and the one who cared about us whilst the other `parent` (KL) isn't interested in us, has no time for us and will take all our toys away before she puts us up for adoption? again like you its just an opinion and im not saying its right. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 1

2:00pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

ItchenBridger wrote:
boilerman wrote:
We do not want other clubs cats offs.
Give us the money we want and let us decide for ourselves who we spend it on.
Our cats off on his holidays. The Isle of Man again looking for the folks who won the three legged race in Glasgow.
Thereby hangs the tail.
Maybe it won't be long before Kat's off with her money.
[quote][p][bold]ItchenBridger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boilerman[/bold] wrote: We do not want other clubs cats offs. Give us the money we want and let us decide for ourselves who we spend it on.[/p][/quote]Our cats off on his holidays. The Isle of Man again looking for the folks who won the three legged race in Glasgow. Thereby hangs the tail.[/p][/quote]Maybe it won't be long before Kat's off with her money. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -4

2:09pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

drkensta wrote:
What has happened to the 2 players from Inter we were supposed to have in exchange for Osvaldo? It is about time they were here, if they are coming. Too much speculation on this player and that player. I think that Koeman should outline just who he is wanting in the team, and if there are on-going efforts to get them transferred in
To be fair I guess it takes a while to get players to agree to up sticks from Italy to come to the South Coast - quite complex I imagine, and particularly if they are from a top club like Inter. Shame the club set unrealistic expectations on when these would be finalised, just hope they are in addition to the 'three signings' we've promised.

Koe needs to pull a bit of a Coup I think - a signing that will start other players believing we are going in the right direction.

I honestly believe it would only take one 'wow' signing (and I'm talking Dutch world cup star or someone linked with top clubs like Blind or the Argentinian guy) to change the perception entirely and make us a desirable destination again.

We sold Chambers for £12M and considering Wenger thinks he can play centreback - an area we desparately need cover for - surely the way to make up for that is to spend £12M on his replacement - Rojo is apparently versatile and why we aren't rushing this one through when he's available for a similar fee is surprising.

Until we make that kind of statement you'll find it hard to sell the vision to others and get in more quality while convincing the likes of Cork to sign up.

Will it happen? We have the finances to make it happen for sure but we'd need to start aiming a bit higher and loosening the purse strings.
[quote][p][bold]drkensta[/bold] wrote: What has happened to the 2 players from Inter we were supposed to have in exchange for Osvaldo? It is about time they were here, if they are coming. Too much speculation on this player and that player. I think that Koeman should outline just who he is wanting in the team, and if there are on-going efforts to get them transferred in[/p][/quote]To be fair I guess it takes a while to get players to agree to up sticks from Italy to come to the South Coast - quite complex I imagine, and particularly if they are from a top club like Inter. Shame the club set unrealistic expectations on when these would be finalised, just hope they are in addition to the 'three signings' we've promised. Koe needs to pull a bit of a Coup I think - a signing that will start other players believing we are going in the right direction. I honestly believe it would only take one 'wow' signing (and I'm talking Dutch world cup star or someone linked with top clubs like Blind or the Argentinian guy) to change the perception entirely and make us a desirable destination again. We sold Chambers for £12M and considering Wenger thinks he can play centreback - an area we desparately need cover for - surely the way to make up for that is to spend £12M on his replacement - Rojo is apparently versatile and why we aren't rushing this one through when he's available for a similar fee is surprising. Until we make that kind of statement you'll find it hard to sell the vision to others and get in more quality while convincing the likes of Cork to sign up. Will it happen? We have the finances to make it happen for sure but we'd need to start aiming a bit higher and loosening the purse strings. SaintJD
  • Score: 3

2:18pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Costa Baz says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
SnapperSaint wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
Costa Baz wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Thanks for this Costa Baz. This is a superb read and really puts things into perspective. It is good to know that he is a Saints fan and will continue to make these sort of blogs in future. The DE should copy these blog on here. It was even missed under the Southampton "News Now" site. Anyway, it is essential reading for all Saints fans and, hopefully, it will reduce the amount of unjustified and misdirected criticism the club has endured in the last few weeks.
I don't think the criticism was unjustified, the club have been saying precious little to give any fans the reassurances they craved, so in that vacuum the press has fuelled the fans interest and the criticism has resulted. It has taken some of the more thoughtful posters, and Costa's blogger, to provide a little of the reasoning behind what actually might be happening at the club. So I don't blame the posters, not even the more outspoken ones, I think this board needs at some point soon to provide a more detailed explanation of why we are where we are or risk fulfilling Seed's assertion that they don't know what they are doing. Queue the chant normally levelled at referees, '...you don't know what you're doing...' could be what we sing at the first home match directed towards those in the chairman's box!
Good shout Snapper,if the explanation is so simple,and is beyond the boards control,the only thing I would say,is why can't they just come out and say that is the reason for what is going on,instead of saying one thing and doing the opposite,and being "economical" with the truth all the time. All that does is increase speculation that it is all being done with the sale of the club in mind,otherwise,why the silence?
Because if the board had come out and said they had to sell players, they wouldn't have got the ridiculous fees they have been getting.

By saying the opposite, and dragging their heels, as they did with Shaw, Liellana and the headless one, prices were pushed up.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SnapperSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Thanks for this Costa Baz. This is a superb read and really puts things into perspective. It is good to know that he is a Saints fan and will continue to make these sort of blogs in future. The DE should copy these blog on here. It was even missed under the Southampton "News Now" site. Anyway, it is essential reading for all Saints fans and, hopefully, it will reduce the amount of unjustified and misdirected criticism the club has endured in the last few weeks.[/p][/quote]I don't think the criticism was unjustified, the club have been saying precious little to give any fans the reassurances they craved, so in that vacuum the press has fuelled the fans interest and the criticism has resulted. It has taken some of the more thoughtful posters, and Costa's blogger, to provide a little of the reasoning behind what actually might be happening at the club. So I don't blame the posters, not even the more outspoken ones, I think this board needs at some point soon to provide a more detailed explanation of why we are where we are or risk fulfilling Seed's assertion that they don't know what they are doing. Queue the chant normally levelled at referees, '...you don't know what you're doing...' could be what we sing at the first home match directed towards those in the chairman's box![/p][/quote]Good shout Snapper,if the explanation is so simple,and is beyond the boards control,the only thing I would say,is why can't they just come out and say that is the reason for what is going on,instead of saying one thing and doing the opposite,and being "economical" with the truth all the time. All that does is increase speculation that it is all being done with the sale of the club in mind,otherwise,why the silence?[/p][/quote]Because if the board had come out and said they had to sell players, they wouldn't have got the ridiculous fees they have been getting. By saying the opposite, and dragging their heels, as they did with Shaw, Liellana and the headless one, prices were pushed up. Costa Baz
  • Score: 3

2:18pm Tue 5 Aug 14

saintbobby says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Where's "one in the crowd"?.........You don't think he's upset that Man Ure have once again confirmed liverhampton will always be in their shadow.
I see the 2 dunnie dweller is still craving some attention though as usual.
He must be a very lonely person.
Back to Saints. If Spider gets sold I think it will be time to light the torches and storm the castle.
RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN.
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON.
Winston Churchill said "Give us the tools and we will finish the job".

Bob says "Give us the players and we will have a jolly good go at finishing the job".
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Where's "one in the crowd"?.........You don't think he's upset that Man Ure have once again confirmed liverhampton will always be in their shadow. I see the 2 dunnie dweller is still craving some attention though as usual. He must be a very lonely person. Back to Saints. If Spider gets sold I think it will be time to light the torches and storm the castle.[/p][/quote]RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON.[/p][/quote]Winston Churchill said "Give us the tools and we will finish the job". Bob says "Give us the players and we will have a jolly good go at finishing the job". saintbobby
  • Score: 4

2:18pm Tue 5 Aug 14

ctsaint says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo





gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read.

I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future.

Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists.

By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc
I am more cynical about that blog.

All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year.

This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.
Well,the guy has been pretty desperate to advertise it,and get everyone to read it over the past few days...that's true!
Too true. This blog is just too convenient.
What about the numbers that its based on? and the logic that comes out of what we can and cant do under FFP? It pretty much says that if we kept the players we couldn't sign others or honor the pay rises they may have come to expect - that's the tricky situation that only NC could have left us in. That's perhaps why the situation was so "difficult" and why players felt betrayed and acted the way they have.

I don't buy that he structured a poison-pill, he was a senior confidant of the family in several business's for many years and there is no real reason to assume he would want to harm his client - he's a senior exec with a professional reputation to uphold, I doubt he would act like a child unlike some on here.

The article clearly shows we had a problem with wages growth and expectations out-stripping commercial revenue.

Selling players permanently raises that salary cap as it adds to our commercial revenue and its actually the fastest way to be able to grow . It is not without the risk of weakening the team in the short term, but I am guessing the bet is that with the right manager we will keep it together and then be financially very very strong come next years window.

thats a plan that has credibility, fans may not like it, but it makes a great deal more sense than any of the neggies posts do at this stage.

As i said above, even if she is selling , the "asset strip" leaves us with a far higher wage cap, that makes us attractive to a new buyer , as that buyer is no longer as constrained by FFP.

Either way, the fairytale of champions league and top is still alive, it may just take a while longer - anyone who believes adding 3 players would have had us challenging is possibly right , this article explains that we couldn't , even if Katerina wrote the cheques.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read. I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future. Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists. By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc[/p][/quote]I am more cynical about that blog. All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year. This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.[/p][/quote]Well,the guy has been pretty desperate to advertise it,and get everyone to read it over the past few days...that's true![/p][/quote]Too true. This blog is just too convenient.[/p][/quote]What about the numbers that its based on? and the logic that comes out of what we can and cant do under FFP? It pretty much says that if we kept the players we couldn't sign others or honor the pay rises they may have come to expect - that's the tricky situation that only NC could have left us in. That's perhaps why the situation was so "difficult" and why players felt betrayed and acted the way they have. I don't buy that he structured a poison-pill, he was a senior confidant of the family in several business's for many years and there is no real reason to assume he would want to harm his client - he's a senior exec with a professional reputation to uphold, I doubt he would act like a child unlike some on here. The article clearly shows we had a problem with wages growth and expectations out-stripping commercial revenue. Selling players permanently raises that salary cap as it adds to our commercial revenue and its actually the fastest way to be able to grow . It is not without the risk of weakening the team in the short term, but I am guessing the bet is that with the right manager we will keep it together and then be financially very very strong come next years window. thats a plan that has credibility, fans may not like it, but it makes a great deal more sense than any of the neggies posts do at this stage. As i said above, even if she is selling , the "asset strip" leaves us with a far higher wage cap, that makes us attractive to a new buyer , as that buyer is no longer as constrained by FFP. Either way, the fairytale of champions league and top is still alive, it may just take a while longer - anyone who believes adding 3 players would have had us challenging is possibly right , this article explains that we couldn't , even if Katerina wrote the cheques. ctsaint
  • Score: 3

2:20pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Costa Baz says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read. I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future. Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists. By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc
I am more cynical about that blog. All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year. This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.
Same could be said about your comment, fitting an anti board stance.

Coincidence, or are you Nicola?

😂😂😂😂😂
😂
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read. I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future. Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists. By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc[/p][/quote]I am more cynical about that blog. All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year. This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.[/p][/quote]Same could be said about your comment, fitting an anti board stance. Coincidence, or are you Nicola? 😂😂😂😂😂 😂 Costa Baz
  • Score: 3

2:24pm Tue 5 Aug 14

damoose says...

drkensta says...

What has happened to the 2 players from Inter we were supposed to have in exchange for Osvaldo? It is about time they were here, if they are coming. Too much speculation on this player and that player. I think that Koeman should outline just who he is wanting in the team, and if there are on-going efforts to get them transferred in

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True Double-Agent Redknapp always says who he`s going to buy,like Caulker for example,then somehow he gets em
Maybe waiting for the Celtic result Wednesday,if they win 3-0 then I doubt those two will leave.but Warsaw will score at least 1 goal.the two loans from Inter and Samaras on a free and we should be fine until January .really surprised no buying from the Championship the boy from Watford scores alot of goals looks lively
drkensta says... What has happened to the 2 players from Inter we were supposed to have in exchange for Osvaldo? It is about time they were here, if they are coming. Too much speculation on this player and that player. I think that Koeman should outline just who he is wanting in the team, and if there are on-going efforts to get them transferred in ----- True Double-Agent Redknapp always says who he`s going to buy,like Caulker for example,then somehow he gets em Maybe waiting for the Celtic result Wednesday,if they win 3-0 then I doubt those two will leave.but Warsaw will score at least 1 goal.the two loans from Inter and Samaras on a free and we should be fine until January .really surprised no buying from the Championship the boy from Watford scores alot of goals looks lively damoose
  • Score: 1

2:28pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Crossley Place Saint says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo





gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read.

I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future.

Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists.

By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc
I am more cynical about that blog.

All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year.

This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.
Well,the guy has been pretty desperate to advertise it,and get everyone to read it over the past few days...that's true!
Too true. This blog is just too convenient.
There are obvious flaws in the blog, for example his estimates of players' wages are taken from FM 2014 because there is "no reason to believe FM 2014 is any less reliable than other sources which would be harder to use". But it's a computer game, you might as well value the players according to their values in the telegraph Fantasy Football listings. I also think he makes much too much of the month's difference between the financial year ends of Saints (June 30) and Liverpool's (May 31); the transfer window did not officially open until July 1 even if some deals were done earlier.

I wonder if player asset values are part of the story. Last year we were in a virtually unique position of having a great squad with a very low book asset value: most of the players had been signed cheaply (SRL £1M) or had come through our academy and cost nothing (AL, LS, etc). So the asset value of the playing squad in the club's accounts was very low. By selling them and buying a handful of £5M players, we have increased the book value of the squad considerably (even if its actual playing quality has gone down) and from the accountancy point of view this makes the club stronger financially, with a bigger turnover. The salary cap in FFP is set as a percentage of turnover, as the blog states.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read. I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future. Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists. By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc[/p][/quote]I am more cynical about that blog. All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year. This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.[/p][/quote]Well,the guy has been pretty desperate to advertise it,and get everyone to read it over the past few days...that's true![/p][/quote]Too true. This blog is just too convenient.[/p][/quote]There are obvious flaws in the blog, for example his estimates of players' wages are taken from FM 2014 because there is "no reason to believe FM 2014 is any less reliable than other sources which would be harder to use". But it's a computer game, you might as well value the players according to their values in the telegraph Fantasy Football listings. I also think he makes much too much of the month's difference between the financial year ends of Saints (June 30) and Liverpool's (May 31); the transfer window did not officially open until July 1 even if some deals were done earlier. I wonder if player asset values are part of the story. Last year we were in a virtually unique position of having a great squad with a very low book asset value: most of the players had been signed cheaply (SRL £1M) or had come through our academy and cost nothing (AL, LS, etc). So the asset value of the playing squad in the club's accounts was very low. By selling them and buying a handful of £5M players, we have increased the book value of the squad considerably (even if its actual playing quality has gone down) and from the accountancy point of view this makes the club stronger financially, with a bigger turnover. The salary cap in FFP is set as a percentage of turnover, as the blog states. Crossley Place Saint
  • Score: 0

2:34pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read. I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future. Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists. By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc
I am more cynical about that blog. All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year. This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.
Same could be said about your comment, fitting an anti board stance.

Coincidence, or are you Nicola?

😂😂😂😂😂

😂
If in doubt,blame Cortese..easy target.
If we believe Cameron and Clegg,Gordon Brown is responsible for the worldwide recession,instead of a bunch of estate agents and building societies.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read. I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future. Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists. By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc[/p][/quote]I am more cynical about that blog. All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year. This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.[/p][/quote]Same could be said about your comment, fitting an anti board stance. Coincidence, or are you Nicola? 😂😂😂😂😂 😂[/p][/quote]If in doubt,blame Cortese..easy target. If we believe Cameron and Clegg,Gordon Brown is responsible for the worldwide recession,instead of a bunch of estate agents and building societies. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

2:34pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Crossley Place Saint says...

SaintJD wrote:
Ozmosis wrote:
Ozmosis wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Ozmosis wrote:
Bazultra wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so.
You fool Krueger said nobody was for sale and then went the spine of the team. WAKE UP and take your rose tinted glasses off!
I might be wrong but wasn't it Les Reed who said "we are not a selling club" and then relented, apparently, due to the top money offered. Kruger has not said a word up until this point, more's the pity. However I am inclined to believe that generally we got good value for the players we sold, and still suspect that Morgan may still go if the price is right. I'd like to think it won't be, and that even if it is the board will stand firm. Time will tell
I think you must have been asleep when he did his Sky Sports interview then. I'm pretty sure he said he was part of the core group we have decided to keep and that he wouldn't be leaving the club this summer.
Hadn't the spine of the team gone by the time Kruger did his interview? As I said I might be wrong...
Apologies, he did an interview in May which coincided with me being abroad and without web access. That one completely passed me by, so I take your point entirely
I was talking about an interview he did on Wednesday last week I think? There were a few of them - one via mobile on Sky Sports and this one in the Echo. Sorry, you might have been specifically saying he'd not said 'nobody is going to be sold' in which case I believe you're right - he wasn't 100% adamant until this statement last week:

http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/sport/saints/

news/11373366.Kruege

r_insists_J_Rod_and_

Morgan_not_for_sale/

?ref=arc
It was last Tuesday. You can still listen to the complete interviews online:
https://audioboo.fm/
boos/2359653-southam
pton-chairman-ralph-
krueger-tells-bigada
msport-the-club-is-n
ot-for-sale-and-neit
her-are-jay-rodrigue
z-morgan-schneiderli
n (Solent)
and
http://talksport.com
/football/demand-sou
thampton-duo-not-sal
e-insists-saints-cha
irman-140729104553 (TalkSport)
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bazultra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so.[/p][/quote]You fool Krueger said nobody was for sale and then went the spine of the team. WAKE UP and take your rose tinted glasses off![/p][/quote]I might be wrong but wasn't it Les Reed who said "we are not a selling club" and then relented, apparently, due to the top money offered. Kruger has not said a word up until this point, more's the pity. However I am inclined to believe that generally we got good value for the players we sold, and still suspect that Morgan may still go if the price is right. I'd like to think it won't be, and that even if it is the board will stand firm. Time will tell[/p][/quote]I think you must have been asleep when he did his Sky Sports interview then. I'm pretty sure he said he was part of the core group we have decided to keep and that he wouldn't be leaving the club this summer.[/p][/quote]Hadn't the spine of the team gone by the time Kruger did his interview? As I said I might be wrong...[/p][/quote]Apologies, he did an interview in May which coincided with me being abroad and without web access. That one completely passed me by, so I take your point entirely[/p][/quote]I was talking about an interview he did on Wednesday last week I think? There were a few of them - one via mobile on Sky Sports and this one in the Echo. Sorry, you might have been specifically saying he'd not said 'nobody is going to be sold' in which case I believe you're right - he wasn't 100% adamant until this statement last week: http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/sport/saints/ news/11373366.Kruege r_insists_J_Rod_and_ Morgan_not_for_sale/ ?ref=arc[/p][/quote]It was last Tuesday. You can still listen to the complete interviews online: https://audioboo.fm/ boos/2359653-southam pton-chairman-ralph- krueger-tells-bigada msport-the-club-is-n ot-for-sale-and-neit her-are-jay-rodrigue z-morgan-schneiderli n (Solent) and http://talksport.com /football/demand-sou thampton-duo-not-sal e-insists-saints-cha irman-140729104553 (TalkSport) Crossley Place Saint
  • Score: -3

2:39pm Tue 5 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
just more media tripe.
they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again.


seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble.
if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy!
The battles may have been with the players rather than the opposing clubs but however you want to look at it he said no players were for sale and then sold 5. Adam was there for the persuading, no doubt about it although Luke was off.

Ralphy even sat on telly and said no player would be sold before a new manager was appointed and then did a deal on Lambert later the same facking day!! Jesus, has he no pride or integrity? Even if he'd said to Brenda:

'Listen mush, happy to sell you the old git but I've just made a silly statement on telly and this lot, particularly Seed, will bash me about the head with it so can we reach a gentleman's agreement and finalise it after the World Cup?'

Brenda: 'No. Everyone knows you're a liar.'

Heiligen your defence of the board is becoming unsustainable. Will you at least agree, after his categoric statement, that Ralph has to go if we sell Morgan this summer?
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on certain subjects seed. you have your view I have mine and whichever is right it will either be good or bad for the club, if neither of us is right then god knows what will happen.
as you say with ralphs unambiguous statement regarding spider and J-rod he will have no other option but to quit if, and I don't think they will, either are sold. they didn't go back on their word in the jan window when they said none would be sold so I have to take them at their word. they didn't say though that they wouldn't be `loaned` out! ;0) oh no what have I said certain, not you seed, posters will now keep telling us that they will be loaned!
as I say seed lets just agree to disagree and get back to the important job of supporting the team, we still have some excellent players and will imo bring in some more. I think we are in for a very exciting season with lots of twists and turns and plenty of goals!
We agree on one thing then! Kreuger goes if Morgan or Jay are sold this window.

Let me give you an example of the knock on effects of this. Seed the Small is a big Saints fan, he's 12 and has been coming with me regularly for the last 5 seasons. Last year he went to most home games and several away including City, Liverpool and West Ham. Just now I spoke to him as I have him the week of 23rd August which is first home game of the season, T20 finals day at Egbaston and we have also been invited on a clay pigeon shoot. He was adamant T20 or shoot, not interested in going to SMS. I pushed him but he says he's lost all interest, we've sold the players he identified with and doesn't feel the same anymore. So I've booked the T20 tickets. That is what this board have done.
Sounds like he's turned into a corporate kid. Does he like prawn sarnies as well? Only you to blame I'm afraid giving him to many options for young lad.
Options should be ;
Option 1. Saints
Option 2. Saints
or Option 3. Saints or shopping with his Mum.
That would have worked.....Shame on you Seed :o)
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: just more media tripe. they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again. seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble. if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy![/p][/quote]The battles may have been with the players rather than the opposing clubs but however you want to look at it he said no players were for sale and then sold 5. Adam was there for the persuading, no doubt about it although Luke was off. Ralphy even sat on telly and said no player would be sold before a new manager was appointed and then did a deal on Lambert later the same facking day!! Jesus, has he no pride or integrity? Even if he'd said to Brenda: 'Listen mush, happy to sell you the old git but I've just made a silly statement on telly and this lot, particularly Seed, will bash me about the head with it so can we reach a gentleman's agreement and finalise it after the World Cup?' Brenda: 'No. Everyone knows you're a liar.' Heiligen your defence of the board is becoming unsustainable. Will you at least agree, after his categoric statement, that Ralph has to go if we sell Morgan this summer?[/p][/quote]I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on certain subjects seed. you have your view I have mine and whichever is right it will either be good or bad for the club, if neither of us is right then god knows what will happen. as you say with ralphs unambiguous statement regarding spider and J-rod he will have no other option but to quit if, and I don't think they will, either are sold. they didn't go back on their word in the jan window when they said none would be sold so I have to take them at their word. they didn't say though that they wouldn't be `loaned` out! ;0) oh no what have I said certain, not you seed, posters will now keep telling us that they will be loaned! as I say seed lets just agree to disagree and get back to the important job of supporting the team, we still have some excellent players and will imo bring in some more. I think we are in for a very exciting season with lots of twists and turns and plenty of goals![/p][/quote]We agree on one thing then! Kreuger goes if Morgan or Jay are sold this window. Let me give you an example of the knock on effects of this. Seed the Small is a big Saints fan, he's 12 and has been coming with me regularly for the last 5 seasons. Last year he went to most home games and several away including City, Liverpool and West Ham. Just now I spoke to him as I have him the week of 23rd August which is first home game of the season, T20 finals day at Egbaston and we have also been invited on a clay pigeon shoot. He was adamant T20 or shoot, not interested in going to SMS. I pushed him but he says he's lost all interest, we've sold the players he identified with and doesn't feel the same anymore. So I've booked the T20 tickets. That is what this board have done.[/p][/quote]Sounds like he's turned into a corporate kid. Does he like prawn sarnies as well? Only you to blame I'm afraid giving him to many options for young lad. Options should be ; Option 1. Saints Option 2. Saints or Option 3. Saints or shopping with his Mum. That would have worked.....Shame on you Seed :o) J7junctionseven
  • Score: 3

2:49pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
SnapperSaint wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
Costa Baz wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Thanks for this Costa Baz. This is a superb read and really puts things into perspective. It is good to know that he is a Saints fan and will continue to make these sort of blogs in future. The DE should copy these blog on here. It was even missed under the Southampton "News Now" site. Anyway, it is essential reading for all Saints fans and, hopefully, it will reduce the amount of unjustified and misdirected criticism the club has endured in the last few weeks.
I don't think the criticism was unjustified, the club have been saying precious little to give any fans the reassurances they craved, so in that vacuum the press has fuelled the fans interest and the criticism has resulted. It has taken some of the more thoughtful posters, and Costa's blogger, to provide a little of the reasoning behind what actually might be happening at the club. So I don't blame the posters, not even the more outspoken ones, I think this board needs at some point soon to provide a more detailed explanation of why we are where we are or risk fulfilling Seed's assertion that they don't know what they are doing. Queue the chant normally levelled at referees, '...you don't know what you're doing...' could be what we sing at the first home match directed towards those in the chairman's box!
Good shout Snapper,if the explanation is so simple,and is beyond the boards control,the only thing I would say,is why can't they just come out and say that is the reason for what is going on,instead of saying one thing and doing the opposite,and being "economical" with the truth all the time. All that does is increase speculation that it is all being done with the sale of the club in mind,otherwise,why the silence?
Because if the board had come out and said they had to sell players, they wouldn't have got the ridiculous fees they have been getting.

By saying the opposite, and dragging their heels, as they did with Shaw, Liellana and the headless one, prices were pushed up.
Well,I can't believe all the other clubs wouldn't have been aware of Saints financial position before paying out the mega bucks,it wasnt really that secret was it?..All the MotD pundits knew about it at the end of last season!
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SnapperSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Thanks for this Costa Baz. This is a superb read and really puts things into perspective. It is good to know that he is a Saints fan and will continue to make these sort of blogs in future. The DE should copy these blog on here. It was even missed under the Southampton "News Now" site. Anyway, it is essential reading for all Saints fans and, hopefully, it will reduce the amount of unjustified and misdirected criticism the club has endured in the last few weeks.[/p][/quote]I don't think the criticism was unjustified, the club have been saying precious little to give any fans the reassurances they craved, so in that vacuum the press has fuelled the fans interest and the criticism has resulted. It has taken some of the more thoughtful posters, and Costa's blogger, to provide a little of the reasoning behind what actually might be happening at the club. So I don't blame the posters, not even the more outspoken ones, I think this board needs at some point soon to provide a more detailed explanation of why we are where we are or risk fulfilling Seed's assertion that they don't know what they are doing. Queue the chant normally levelled at referees, '...you don't know what you're doing...' could be what we sing at the first home match directed towards those in the chairman's box![/p][/quote]Good shout Snapper,if the explanation is so simple,and is beyond the boards control,the only thing I would say,is why can't they just come out and say that is the reason for what is going on,instead of saying one thing and doing the opposite,and being "economical" with the truth all the time. All that does is increase speculation that it is all being done with the sale of the club in mind,otherwise,why the silence?[/p][/quote]Because if the board had come out and said they had to sell players, they wouldn't have got the ridiculous fees they have been getting. By saying the opposite, and dragging their heels, as they did with Shaw, Liellana and the headless one, prices were pushed up.[/p][/quote]Well,I can't believe all the other clubs wouldn't have been aware of Saints financial position before paying out the mega bucks,it wasnt really that secret was it?..All the MotD pundits knew about it at the end of last season! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

2:54pm Tue 5 Aug 14

boilerman says...

ItchenBridger wrote:
boilerman wrote:
We do not want other clubs cats offs.
Give us the money we want and let us decide for ourselves who we spend it on.
Our cats off on his holidays. The Isle of Man again looking for the folks who won the three legged race in Glasgow.
Thereby hangs the tail.
Nice one, obviously a typo.
[quote][p][bold]ItchenBridger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boilerman[/bold] wrote: We do not want other clubs cats offs. Give us the money we want and let us decide for ourselves who we spend it on.[/p][/quote]Our cats off on his holidays. The Isle of Man again looking for the folks who won the three legged race in Glasgow. Thereby hangs the tail.[/p][/quote]Nice one, obviously a typo. boilerman
  • Score: 3

3:09pm Tue 5 Aug 14

st1halo says...

Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo

gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this

"One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture."

Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!.

STID
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this "One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture." Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!. STID st1halo
  • Score: 4

3:12pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

st1halo wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo


gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this

"One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture."

Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!.

STID
So its no ones fault then.Glad that's been cleared up.All this blame culture we've seen recently.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this "One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture." Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!. STID[/p][/quote]So its no ones fault then.Glad that's been cleared up.All this blame culture we've seen recently. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -2

3:14pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
SnapperSaint wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
Costa Baz wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Thanks for this Costa Baz. This is a superb read and really puts things into perspective. It is good to know that he is a Saints fan and will continue to make these sort of blogs in future. The DE should copy these blog on here. It was even missed under the Southampton "News Now" site. Anyway, it is essential reading for all Saints fans and, hopefully, it will reduce the amount of unjustified and misdirected criticism the club has endured in the last few weeks.
I don't think the criticism was unjustified, the club have been saying precious little to give any fans the reassurances they craved, so in that vacuum the press has fuelled the fans interest and the criticism has resulted. It has taken some of the more thoughtful posters, and Costa's blogger, to provide a little of the reasoning behind what actually might be happening at the club. So I don't blame the posters, not even the more outspoken ones, I think this board needs at some point soon to provide a more detailed explanation of why we are where we are or risk fulfilling Seed's assertion that they don't know what they are doing. Queue the chant normally levelled at referees, '...you don't know what you're doing...' could be what we sing at the first home match directed towards those in the chairman's box!
Good shout Snapper,if the explanation is so simple,and is beyond the boards control,the only thing I would say,is why can't they just come out and say that is the reason for what is going on,instead of saying one thing and doing the opposite,and being "economical" with the truth all the time. All that does is increase speculation that it is all being done with the sale of the club in mind,otherwise,why the silence?
Because if the board had come out and said they had to sell players, they wouldn't have got the ridiculous fees they have been getting.

By saying the opposite, and dragging their heels, as they did with Shaw, Liellana and the headless one, prices were pushed up.
Of course whether those fees were ridiculous depends on how much you value your prize assets. Some would say keeping the core of your best players is priceless. Sure, if the players we sold look like expensive flops people will think we've made a killing, but you have to also accept that they were extremely good players in our environment and for our club. Yes it is good money, but good players, especially English ones and especially strikers and top quality defenders, are like gold dust if you are competing at the top level.

If the prices are so good and if these players are so easy to replace, why haven't we already replaced them to the extent that we are 100% confident we have improved the squad.

Yep Tadic and Pelle might be great, but we don't know, that's why keeping good players can be priceless.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SnapperSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Thanks for this Costa Baz. This is a superb read and really puts things into perspective. It is good to know that he is a Saints fan and will continue to make these sort of blogs in future. The DE should copy these blog on here. It was even missed under the Southampton "News Now" site. Anyway, it is essential reading for all Saints fans and, hopefully, it will reduce the amount of unjustified and misdirected criticism the club has endured in the last few weeks.[/p][/quote]I don't think the criticism was unjustified, the club have been saying precious little to give any fans the reassurances they craved, so in that vacuum the press has fuelled the fans interest and the criticism has resulted. It has taken some of the more thoughtful posters, and Costa's blogger, to provide a little of the reasoning behind what actually might be happening at the club. So I don't blame the posters, not even the more outspoken ones, I think this board needs at some point soon to provide a more detailed explanation of why we are where we are or risk fulfilling Seed's assertion that they don't know what they are doing. Queue the chant normally levelled at referees, '...you don't know what you're doing...' could be what we sing at the first home match directed towards those in the chairman's box![/p][/quote]Good shout Snapper,if the explanation is so simple,and is beyond the boards control,the only thing I would say,is why can't they just come out and say that is the reason for what is going on,instead of saying one thing and doing the opposite,and being "economical" with the truth all the time. All that does is increase speculation that it is all being done with the sale of the club in mind,otherwise,why the silence?[/p][/quote]Because if the board had come out and said they had to sell players, they wouldn't have got the ridiculous fees they have been getting. By saying the opposite, and dragging their heels, as they did with Shaw, Liellana and the headless one, prices were pushed up.[/p][/quote]Of course whether those fees were ridiculous depends on how much you value your prize assets. Some would say keeping the core of your best players is priceless. Sure, if the players we sold look like expensive flops people will think we've made a killing, but you have to also accept that they were extremely good players in our environment and for our club. Yes it is good money, but good players, especially English ones and especially strikers and top quality defenders, are like gold dust if you are competing at the top level. If the prices are so good and if these players are so easy to replace, why haven't we already replaced them to the extent that we are 100% confident we have improved the squad. Yep Tadic and Pelle might be great, but we don't know, that's why keeping good players can be priceless. SaintJD
  • Score: -2

3:18pm Tue 5 Aug 14

andy newbury says...

RK needs to hang on to morgan to keep the fans faith. If morgan goes it would be a great mistake at present, come xmas if we are doing alright and morgan still wants away then perhaps rethink and let him move on if the right deal can be made for him and for the saints, at the moment we should be concentrating on improving and adding to our already depleted squad not letting more go (especially to spurs or liverhampton) Up the saints , I am starting to look foreword to the season and an end to all of the close season problems we have had to endure, could be an interesting bus ride this season and I am sure it will be a good one. weather could be a bit turbulent but lots of sunny spells along with a few clouds, but mostly sunny!!!!!!!!
RK needs to hang on to morgan to keep the fans faith. If morgan goes it would be a great mistake at present, come xmas if we are doing alright and morgan still wants away then perhaps rethink and let him move on if the right deal can be made for him and for the saints, at the moment we should be concentrating on improving and adding to our already depleted squad not letting more go (especially to spurs or liverhampton) Up the saints , I am starting to look foreword to the season and an end to all of the close season problems we have had to endure, could be an interesting bus ride this season and I am sure it will be a good one. weather could be a bit turbulent but lots of sunny spells along with a few clouds, but mostly sunny!!!!!!!! andy newbury
  • Score: 0

3:18pm Tue 5 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
just more media tripe.
they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again.


seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble.
if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy!
The battles may have been with the players rather than the opposing clubs but however you want to look at it he said no players were for sale and then sold 5. Adam was there for the persuading, no doubt about it although Luke was off.

Ralphy even sat on telly and said no player would be sold before a new manager was appointed and then did a deal on Lambert later the same facking day!! Jesus, has he no pride or integrity? Even if he'd said to Brenda:

'Listen mush, happy to sell you the old git but I've just made a silly statement on telly and this lot, particularly Seed, will bash me about the head with it so can we reach a gentleman's agreement and finalise it after the World Cup?'

Brenda: 'No. Everyone knows you're a liar.'

Heiligen your defence of the board is becoming unsustainable. Will you at least agree, after his categoric statement, that Ralph has to go if we sell Morgan this summer?
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on certain subjects seed. you have your view I have mine and whichever is right it will either be good or bad for the club, if neither of us is right then god knows what will happen.
as you say with ralphs unambiguous statement regarding spider and J-rod he will have no other option but to quit if, and I don't think they will, either are sold. they didn't go back on their word in the jan window when they said none would be sold so I have to take them at their word. they didn't say though that they wouldn't be `loaned` out! ;0) oh no what have I said certain, not you seed, posters will now keep telling us that they will be loaned!
as I say seed lets just agree to disagree and get back to the important job of supporting the team, we still have some excellent players and will imo bring in some more. I think we are in for a very exciting season with lots of twists and turns and plenty of goals!
We agree on one thing then! Kreuger goes if Morgan or Jay are sold this window.

Let me give you an example of the knock on effects of this. Seed the Small is a big Saints fan, he's 12 and has been coming with me regularly for the last 5 seasons. Last year he went to most home games and several away including City, Liverpool and West Ham. Just now I spoke to him as I have him the week of 23rd August which is first home game of the season, T20 finals day at Egbaston and we have also been invited on a clay pigeon shoot. He was adamant T20 or shoot, not interested in going to SMS. I pushed him but he says he's lost all interest, we've sold the players he identified with and doesn't feel the same anymore. So I've booked the T20 tickets. That is what this board have done.
well its your job as a saints fan to convince him that saints are still the best football club in the world.
my 7yr old girl was/is a huge rickie fan and was gutted when I told her he had been sold. her response was `who is going to play instead`. I just told her players will always come and go, she also likes dejerk big vic jrod and gazza after meeting them at signings last year, I also told her how gutted I was as a kid when Keagan left.
to be honest seed given that choice I would be tempted to go shooting, I used to love a bit of hunting (proper hunting) back in the day, or the t20 finals over west brom.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: just more media tripe. they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again. seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble. if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy![/p][/quote]The battles may have been with the players rather than the opposing clubs but however you want to look at it he said no players were for sale and then sold 5. Adam was there for the persuading, no doubt about it although Luke was off. Ralphy even sat on telly and said no player would be sold before a new manager was appointed and then did a deal on Lambert later the same facking day!! Jesus, has he no pride or integrity? Even if he'd said to Brenda: 'Listen mush, happy to sell you the old git but I've just made a silly statement on telly and this lot, particularly Seed, will bash me about the head with it so can we reach a gentleman's agreement and finalise it after the World Cup?' Brenda: 'No. Everyone knows you're a liar.' Heiligen your defence of the board is becoming unsustainable. Will you at least agree, after his categoric statement, that Ralph has to go if we sell Morgan this summer?[/p][/quote]I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on certain subjects seed. you have your view I have mine and whichever is right it will either be good or bad for the club, if neither of us is right then god knows what will happen. as you say with ralphs unambiguous statement regarding spider and J-rod he will have no other option but to quit if, and I don't think they will, either are sold. they didn't go back on their word in the jan window when they said none would be sold so I have to take them at their word. they didn't say though that they wouldn't be `loaned` out! ;0) oh no what have I said certain, not you seed, posters will now keep telling us that they will be loaned! as I say seed lets just agree to disagree and get back to the important job of supporting the team, we still have some excellent players and will imo bring in some more. I think we are in for a very exciting season with lots of twists and turns and plenty of goals![/p][/quote]We agree on one thing then! Kreuger goes if Morgan or Jay are sold this window. Let me give you an example of the knock on effects of this. Seed the Small is a big Saints fan, he's 12 and has been coming with me regularly for the last 5 seasons. Last year he went to most home games and several away including City, Liverpool and West Ham. Just now I spoke to him as I have him the week of 23rd August which is first home game of the season, T20 finals day at Egbaston and we have also been invited on a clay pigeon shoot. He was adamant T20 or shoot, not interested in going to SMS. I pushed him but he says he's lost all interest, we've sold the players he identified with and doesn't feel the same anymore. So I've booked the T20 tickets. That is what this board have done.[/p][/quote]well its your job as a saints fan to convince him that saints are still the best football club in the world. my 7yr old girl was/is a huge rickie fan and was gutted when I told her he had been sold. her response was `who is going to play instead`. I just told her players will always come and go, she also likes dejerk big vic jrod and gazza after meeting them at signings last year, I also told her how gutted I was as a kid when Keagan left. to be honest seed given that choice I would be tempted to go shooting, I used to love a bit of hunting (proper hunting) back in the day, or the t20 finals over west brom. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 3

3:22pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
just more media tripe.
they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again.


seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble.
if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy!
The battles may have been with the players rather than the opposing clubs but however you want to look at it he said no players were for sale and then sold 5. Adam was there for the persuading, no doubt about it although Luke was off.

Ralphy even sat on telly and said no player would be sold before a new manager was appointed and then did a deal on Lambert later the same facking day!! Jesus, has he no pride or integrity? Even if he'd said to Brenda:

'Listen mush, happy to sell you the old git but I've just made a silly statement on telly and this lot, particularly Seed, will bash me about the head with it so can we reach a gentleman's agreement and finalise it after the World Cup?'

Brenda: 'No. Everyone knows you're a liar.'

Heiligen your defence of the board is becoming unsustainable. Will you at least agree, after his categoric statement, that Ralph has to go if we sell Morgan this summer?
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on certain subjects seed. you have your view I have mine and whichever is right it will either be good or bad for the club, if neither of us is right then god knows what will happen.
as you say with ralphs unambiguous statement regarding spider and J-rod he will have no other option but to quit if, and I don't think they will, either are sold. they didn't go back on their word in the jan window when they said none would be sold so I have to take them at their word. they didn't say though that they wouldn't be `loaned` out! ;0) oh no what have I said certain, not you seed, posters will now keep telling us that they will be loaned!
as I say seed lets just agree to disagree and get back to the important job of supporting the team, we still have some excellent players and will imo bring in some more. I think we are in for a very exciting season with lots of twists and turns and plenty of goals!
We agree on one thing then! Kreuger goes if Morgan or Jay are sold this window.

Let me give you an example of the knock on effects of this. Seed the Small is a big Saints fan, he's 12 and has been coming with me regularly for the last 5 seasons. Last year he went to most home games and several away including City, Liverpool and West Ham. Just now I spoke to him as I have him the week of 23rd August which is first home game of the season, T20 finals day at Egbaston and we have also been invited on a clay pigeon shoot. He was adamant T20 or shoot, not interested in going to SMS. I pushed him but he says he's lost all interest, we've sold the players he identified with and doesn't feel the same anymore. So I've booked the T20 tickets. That is what this board have done.
Sounds like he's turned into a corporate kid. Does he like prawn sarnies as well? Only you to blame I'm afraid giving him to many options for young lad.
Options should be ;
Option 1. Saints
Option 2. Saints
or Option 3. Saints or shopping with his Mum.
That would have worked.....Shame on you Seed :o)
Corporate kid? He's in for a shock then, just booked a dump of a pub to stay in for the finals but it's right in the heart of the curry triangle and only a mile from Egbaston. Hampshirrrrrrrrre!
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: just more media tripe. they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again. seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble. if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy![/p][/quote]The battles may have been with the players rather than the opposing clubs but however you want to look at it he said no players were for sale and then sold 5. Adam was there for the persuading, no doubt about it although Luke was off. Ralphy even sat on telly and said no player would be sold before a new manager was appointed and then did a deal on Lambert later the same facking day!! Jesus, has he no pride or integrity? Even if he'd said to Brenda: 'Listen mush, happy to sell you the old git but I've just made a silly statement on telly and this lot, particularly Seed, will bash me about the head with it so can we reach a gentleman's agreement and finalise it after the World Cup?' Brenda: 'No. Everyone knows you're a liar.' Heiligen your defence of the board is becoming unsustainable. Will you at least agree, after his categoric statement, that Ralph has to go if we sell Morgan this summer?[/p][/quote]I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on certain subjects seed. you have your view I have mine and whichever is right it will either be good or bad for the club, if neither of us is right then god knows what will happen. as you say with ralphs unambiguous statement regarding spider and J-rod he will have no other option but to quit if, and I don't think they will, either are sold. they didn't go back on their word in the jan window when they said none would be sold so I have to take them at their word. they didn't say though that they wouldn't be `loaned` out! ;0) oh no what have I said certain, not you seed, posters will now keep telling us that they will be loaned! as I say seed lets just agree to disagree and get back to the important job of supporting the team, we still have some excellent players and will imo bring in some more. I think we are in for a very exciting season with lots of twists and turns and plenty of goals![/p][/quote]We agree on one thing then! Kreuger goes if Morgan or Jay are sold this window. Let me give you an example of the knock on effects of this. Seed the Small is a big Saints fan, he's 12 and has been coming with me regularly for the last 5 seasons. Last year he went to most home games and several away including City, Liverpool and West Ham. Just now I spoke to him as I have him the week of 23rd August which is first home game of the season, T20 finals day at Egbaston and we have also been invited on a clay pigeon shoot. He was adamant T20 or shoot, not interested in going to SMS. I pushed him but he says he's lost all interest, we've sold the players he identified with and doesn't feel the same anymore. So I've booked the T20 tickets. That is what this board have done.[/p][/quote]Sounds like he's turned into a corporate kid. Does he like prawn sarnies as well? Only you to blame I'm afraid giving him to many options for young lad. Options should be ; Option 1. Saints Option 2. Saints or Option 3. Saints or shopping with his Mum. That would have worked.....Shame on you Seed :o)[/p][/quote]Corporate kid? He's in for a shock then, just booked a dump of a pub to stay in for the finals but it's right in the heart of the curry triangle and only a mile from Egbaston. Hampshirrrrrrrrre! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

3:27pm Tue 5 Aug 14

lowe esteem says...

SnapperSaint wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo



gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Thanks for this Costa Baz. This is a superb read and really puts things into perspective. It is good to know that he is a Saints fan and will continue to make these sort of blogs in future. The DE should copy these blog on here. It was even missed under the Southampton "News Now" site. Anyway, it is essential reading for all Saints fans and, hopefully, it will reduce the amount of unjustified and misdirected criticism the club has endured in the last few weeks.
I don't think the criticism was unjustified, the club have been saying precious little to give any fans the reassurances they craved, so in that vacuum the press has fuelled the fans interest and the criticism has resulted.
It has taken some of the more thoughtful posters, and Costa's blogger, to provide a little of the reasoning behind what actually might be happening at the club. So I don't blame the posters, not even the more outspoken ones, I think this board needs at some point soon to provide a more detailed explanation of why we are where we are or risk fulfilling Seed's assertion that they don't know what they are doing.
Queue the chant normally levelled at referees, '...you don't know what you're doing...' could be what we sing at the first home match directed towards those in the chairman's box!
Cue as the 'Pool not Queue as in the line of mutant money grabbing mutinous bass dew adds trying to leave the good ship Saints.

Play on (words)... bit like Les (Sir Stanley Unwin) Reed really.
[quote][p][bold]SnapperSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Thanks for this Costa Baz. This is a superb read and really puts things into perspective. It is good to know that he is a Saints fan and will continue to make these sort of blogs in future. The DE should copy these blog on here. It was even missed under the Southampton "News Now" site. Anyway, it is essential reading for all Saints fans and, hopefully, it will reduce the amount of unjustified and misdirected criticism the club has endured in the last few weeks.[/p][/quote]I don't think the criticism was unjustified, the club have been saying precious little to give any fans the reassurances they craved, so in that vacuum the press has fuelled the fans interest and the criticism has resulted. It has taken some of the more thoughtful posters, and Costa's blogger, to provide a little of the reasoning behind what actually might be happening at the club. So I don't blame the posters, not even the more outspoken ones, I think this board needs at some point soon to provide a more detailed explanation of why we are where we are or risk fulfilling Seed's assertion that they don't know what they are doing. Queue the chant normally levelled at referees, '...you don't know what you're doing...' could be what we sing at the first home match directed towards those in the chairman's box![/p][/quote]Cue as the 'Pool not Queue as in the line of mutant money grabbing mutinous bass dew adds trying to leave the good ship Saints. Play on (words)... bit like Les (Sir Stanley Unwin) Reed really. lowe esteem
  • Score: 1

3:30pm Tue 5 Aug 14

george chivers says...

st1halo wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo


gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this

"One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture."

Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!.

STID
As long as we retain the surplus from our dealings and PL money and it is not redistributed in dividends and repayments of loans to KL.

The rules certainly discourage new rich owners coming in when a club is relatively successful like ours. Perhaps what KL is doing is replacing expensive players with cheap players, lowering the cost base (wages) and setting the club up to be sold as a premium price to a buyer who is willing to pay higher wages and invest because the profit margin achieved by KL allows him to do so.

She gets out with a bag full of cash, he walks into a big opportunity.

I have never believed she is here for the long term. Football is a hobby business for ultra rich owners who want status within the world of football. Not a shrewd Swiss female business woman who probably has no interest in football whatsoever, apart from watching us occasionally and smiling for the cameras.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this "One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture." Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!. STID[/p][/quote]As long as we retain the surplus from our dealings and PL money and it is not redistributed in dividends and repayments of loans to KL. The rules certainly discourage new rich owners coming in when a club is relatively successful like ours. Perhaps what KL is doing is replacing expensive players with cheap players, lowering the cost base (wages) and setting the club up to be sold as a premium price to a buyer who is willing to pay higher wages and invest because the profit margin achieved by KL allows him to do so. She gets out with a bag full of cash, he walks into a big opportunity. I have never believed she is here for the long term. Football is a hobby business for ultra rich owners who want status within the world of football. Not a shrewd Swiss female business woman who probably has no interest in football whatsoever, apart from watching us occasionally and smiling for the cameras. george chivers
  • Score: -1

3:31pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
just more media tripe.
they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again.


seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble.
if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy!
The battles may have been with the players rather than the opposing clubs but however you want to look at it he said no players were for sale and then sold 5. Adam was there for the persuading, no doubt about it although Luke was off.

Ralphy even sat on telly and said no player would be sold before a new manager was appointed and then did a deal on Lambert later the same facking day!! Jesus, has he no pride or integrity? Even if he'd said to Brenda:

'Listen mush, happy to sell you the old git but I've just made a silly statement on telly and this lot, particularly Seed, will bash me about the head with it so can we reach a gentleman's agreement and finalise it after the World Cup?'

Brenda: 'No. Everyone knows you're a liar.'

Heiligen your defence of the board is becoming unsustainable. Will you at least agree, after his categoric statement, that Ralph has to go if we sell Morgan this summer?
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on certain subjects seed. you have your view I have mine and whichever is right it will either be good or bad for the club, if neither of us is right then god knows what will happen.
as you say with ralphs unambiguous statement regarding spider and J-rod he will have no other option but to quit if, and I don't think they will, either are sold. they didn't go back on their word in the jan window when they said none would be sold so I have to take them at their word. they didn't say though that they wouldn't be `loaned` out! ;0) oh no what have I said certain, not you seed, posters will now keep telling us that they will be loaned!
as I say seed lets just agree to disagree and get back to the important job of supporting the team, we still have some excellent players and will imo bring in some more. I think we are in for a very exciting season with lots of twists and turns and plenty of goals!
We agree on one thing then! Kreuger goes if Morgan or Jay are sold this window.

Let me give you an example of the knock on effects of this. Seed the Small is a big Saints fan, he's 12 and has been coming with me regularly for the last 5 seasons. Last year he went to most home games and several away including City, Liverpool and West Ham. Just now I spoke to him as I have him the week of 23rd August which is first home game of the season, T20 finals day at Egbaston and we have also been invited on a clay pigeon shoot. He was adamant T20 or shoot, not interested in going to SMS. I pushed him but he says he's lost all interest, we've sold the players he identified with and doesn't feel the same anymore. So I've booked the T20 tickets. That is what this board have done.
well its your job as a saints fan to convince him that saints are still the best football club in the world.
my 7yr old girl was/is a huge rickie fan and was gutted when I told her he had been sold. her response was `who is going to play instead`. I just told her players will always come and go, she also likes dejerk big vic jrod and gazza after meeting them at signings last year, I also told her how gutted I was as a kid when Keagan left.
to be honest seed given that choice I would be tempted to go shooting, I used to love a bit of hunting (proper hunting) back in the day, or the t20 finals over west brom.
Got the shoot shifted to another day. It's only a clay day. Small does come on some proper shoots with me and works with the beaters and picker ups and then stands on the peg with me for a few drives. He loves it.

I don't know much about the FFP rules to be fair but my understanding is that you can spend over and above on infrastructure. Therefore surely the redevelopment of Staplewood would fall under that category? That would mean only the £20m outstanding on transfer fees would remain as debt. If the board had said we intend to repay the £20m and reinvest the rest in the squad I wouldn't have a problem with that but they didn't say that. The subtle change from 'reinvest in players' to 'reinvest in players and wages' illustrates the slippery nature of this board. I really don't trust them. As someone else said earlier if their hand really has been forced then level with us and explain the plan going forward.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: just more media tripe. they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again. seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble. if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy![/p][/quote]The battles may have been with the players rather than the opposing clubs but however you want to look at it he said no players were for sale and then sold 5. Adam was there for the persuading, no doubt about it although Luke was off. Ralphy even sat on telly and said no player would be sold before a new manager was appointed and then did a deal on Lambert later the same facking day!! Jesus, has he no pride or integrity? Even if he'd said to Brenda: 'Listen mush, happy to sell you the old git but I've just made a silly statement on telly and this lot, particularly Seed, will bash me about the head with it so can we reach a gentleman's agreement and finalise it after the World Cup?' Brenda: 'No. Everyone knows you're a liar.' Heiligen your defence of the board is becoming unsustainable. Will you at least agree, after his categoric statement, that Ralph has to go if we sell Morgan this summer?[/p][/quote]I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on certain subjects seed. you have your view I have mine and whichever is right it will either be good or bad for the club, if neither of us is right then god knows what will happen. as you say with ralphs unambiguous statement regarding spider and J-rod he will have no other option but to quit if, and I don't think they will, either are sold. they didn't go back on their word in the jan window when they said none would be sold so I have to take them at their word. they didn't say though that they wouldn't be `loaned` out! ;0) oh no what have I said certain, not you seed, posters will now keep telling us that they will be loaned! as I say seed lets just agree to disagree and get back to the important job of supporting the team, we still have some excellent players and will imo bring in some more. I think we are in for a very exciting season with lots of twists and turns and plenty of goals![/p][/quote]We agree on one thing then! Kreuger goes if Morgan or Jay are sold this window. Let me give you an example of the knock on effects of this. Seed the Small is a big Saints fan, he's 12 and has been coming with me regularly for the last 5 seasons. Last year he went to most home games and several away including City, Liverpool and West Ham. Just now I spoke to him as I have him the week of 23rd August which is first home game of the season, T20 finals day at Egbaston and we have also been invited on a clay pigeon shoot. He was adamant T20 or shoot, not interested in going to SMS. I pushed him but he says he's lost all interest, we've sold the players he identified with and doesn't feel the same anymore. So I've booked the T20 tickets. That is what this board have done.[/p][/quote]well its your job as a saints fan to convince him that saints are still the best football club in the world. my 7yr old girl was/is a huge rickie fan and was gutted when I told her he had been sold. her response was `who is going to play instead`. I just told her players will always come and go, she also likes dejerk big vic jrod and gazza after meeting them at signings last year, I also told her how gutted I was as a kid when Keagan left. to be honest seed given that choice I would be tempted to go shooting, I used to love a bit of hunting (proper hunting) back in the day, or the t20 finals over west brom.[/p][/quote]Got the shoot shifted to another day. It's only a clay day. Small does come on some proper shoots with me and works with the beaters and picker ups and then stands on the peg with me for a few drives. He loves it. I don't know much about the FFP rules to be fair but my understanding is that you can spend over and above on infrastructure. Therefore surely the redevelopment of Staplewood would fall under that category? That would mean only the £20m outstanding on transfer fees would remain as debt. If the board had said we intend to repay the £20m and reinvest the rest in the squad I wouldn't have a problem with that but they didn't say that. The subtle change from 'reinvest in players' to 'reinvest in players and wages' illustrates the slippery nature of this board. I really don't trust them. As someone else said earlier if their hand really has been forced then level with us and explain the plan going forward. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -3

3:32pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Outside of the Box says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up.

Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense.

I hope so.
If Morgan goes then Krueger's position becomes totally untenable and he will have to go to.
So if Spurs offer a world record fee for Morgan and Saints accept it, would Freddy have to leave, not saying it will happen, but they could an offer we couldn't refuse
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Mr Krueger said Morgan isn't going anywhere. If that proves to be untrue then with one simple action he will have totally killed his credibility. I note that no other messages from Reed have come out to back him up. Whatever is happening, the agents and Spurs are hard at work on the rumour mill. It may well be that it is all puff and nonsense. I hope so.[/p][/quote]If Morgan goes then Krueger's position becomes totally untenable and he will have to go to.[/p][/quote]So if Spurs offer a world record fee for Morgan and Saints accept it, would Freddy have to leave, not saying it will happen, but they could an offer we couldn't refuse Outside of the Box
  • Score: 2

3:36pm Tue 5 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

We ar certainly cutting things mighty fine, moreover reaching our fitness levels and system integration are all going to be out of whack.

People may trust the board yet trust in what actually, man management, player control, ex player and manager negotiations, transparency, football nous….

…assuming ( potentially making an 4ss out of you and me) that their heart is in the right place, so what, incompetence is no excuse for being nice people (if they are)..

The best I can see is make weights, we are not currently getting any of our supposed targets are we, if players are seen as perfect for our system and of the appropriate quality and 20 8loody scouts have identified them WERE are they and in light of what we have received why are they not signed up done and dusted…I do not think it is looking good.
We ar certainly cutting things mighty fine, moreover reaching our fitness levels and system integration are all going to be out of whack. People may trust the board yet trust in what actually, man management, player control, ex player and manager negotiations, transparency, football nous…. …assuming ( potentially making an 4ss out of you and me) that their heart is in the right place, so what, incompetence is no excuse for being nice people (if they are).. The best I can see is make weights, we are not currently getting any of our supposed targets are we, if players are seen as perfect for our system and of the appropriate quality and 20 8loody scouts have identified them WERE are they and in light of what we have received why are they not signed up done and dusted…I do not think it is looking good. warrens 76
  • Score: 2

3:37pm Tue 5 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

saintbobby wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Where's "one in the crowd"?.........You don't think he's upset that Man Ure have once again confirmed liverhampton will always be in their shadow.
I see the 2 dunnie dweller is still craving some attention though as usual.
He must be a very lonely person.
Back to Saints. If Spider gets sold I think it will be time to light the torches and storm the castle.
RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN.
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON.
Winston Churchill said "Give us the tools and we will finish the job".

Bob says "Give us the players and we will have a jolly good go at finishing the job".
IF THE CLUB don't stop dragging their feet and improve the Squad in KEY POSITIONS -

THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY !!!

I am having a few beers on SATURDAY and if the PROTEST develops one hour before the game I will join in ...

WE HAVE HAD THE FIGHT from the basement of League One and now our own employees and Board SHOOT US IN THE FOOT.

If we took a hammering with Hoover as CB 6-0 on the first game - there would still be the ODD Poster saying - well it could have been 7-0 or 8-0 OR the Ref was ****

GROW A PAIR - FIGHT FOR YOUR CLUB.

RED ARMY - RED ARMY - RED ARMY - RED ARMY - RED ARMY
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Where's "one in the crowd"?.........You don't think he's upset that Man Ure have once again confirmed liverhampton will always be in their shadow. I see the 2 dunnie dweller is still craving some attention though as usual. He must be a very lonely person. Back to Saints. If Spider gets sold I think it will be time to light the torches and storm the castle.[/p][/quote]RED ARMY 2014. FIGHT AND WIN. WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON.[/p][/quote]Winston Churchill said "Give us the tools and we will finish the job". Bob says "Give us the players and we will have a jolly good go at finishing the job".[/p][/quote]IF THE CLUB don't stop dragging their feet and improve the Squad in KEY POSITIONS - THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY !!! I am having a few beers on SATURDAY and if the PROTEST develops one hour before the game I will join in ... WE HAVE HAD THE FIGHT from the basement of League One and now our own employees and Board SHOOT US IN THE FOOT. If we took a hammering with Hoover as CB 6-0 on the first game - there would still be the ODD Poster saying - well it could have been 7-0 or 8-0 OR the Ref was **** GROW A PAIR - FIGHT FOR YOUR CLUB. RED ARMY - RED ARMY - RED ARMY - RED ARMY - RED ARMY The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 4

3:41pm Tue 5 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
just more media tripe.
they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again.


seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble.
if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy!
The battles may have been with the players rather than the opposing clubs but however you want to look at it he said no players were for sale and then sold 5. Adam was there for the persuading, no doubt about it although Luke was off.

Ralphy even sat on telly and said no player would be sold before a new manager was appointed and then did a deal on Lambert later the same facking day!! Jesus, has he no pride or integrity? Even if he'd said to Brenda:

'Listen mush, happy to sell you the old git but I've just made a silly statement on telly and this lot, particularly Seed, will bash me about the head with it so can we reach a gentleman's agreement and finalise it after the World Cup?'

Brenda: 'No. Everyone knows you're a liar.'

Heiligen your defence of the board is becoming unsustainable. Will you at least agree, after his categoric statement, that Ralph has to go if we sell Morgan this summer?
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on certain subjects seed. you have your view I have mine and whichever is right it will either be good or bad for the club, if neither of us is right then god knows what will happen.
as you say with ralphs unambiguous statement regarding spider and J-rod he will have no other option but to quit if, and I don't think they will, either are sold. they didn't go back on their word in the jan window when they said none would be sold so I have to take them at their word. they didn't say though that they wouldn't be `loaned` out! ;0) oh no what have I said certain, not you seed, posters will now keep telling us that they will be loaned!
as I say seed lets just agree to disagree and get back to the important job of supporting the team, we still have some excellent players and will imo bring in some more. I think we are in for a very exciting season with lots of twists and turns and plenty of goals!
We agree on one thing then! Kreuger goes if Morgan or Jay are sold this window.

Let me give you an example of the knock on effects of this. Seed the Small is a big Saints fan, he's 12 and has been coming with me regularly for the last 5 seasons. Last year he went to most home games and several away including City, Liverpool and West Ham. Just now I spoke to him as I have him the week of 23rd August which is first home game of the season, T20 finals day at Egbaston and we have also been invited on a clay pigeon shoot. He was adamant T20 or shoot, not interested in going to SMS. I pushed him but he says he's lost all interest, we've sold the players he identified with and doesn't feel the same anymore. So I've booked the T20 tickets. That is what this board have done.
well its your job as a saints fan to convince him that saints are still the best football club in the world.
my 7yr old girl was/is a huge rickie fan and was gutted when I told her he had been sold. her response was `who is going to play instead`. I just told her players will always come and go, she also likes dejerk big vic jrod and gazza after meeting them at signings last year, I also told her how gutted I was as a kid when Keagan left.
to be honest seed given that choice I would be tempted to go shooting, I used to love a bit of hunting (proper hunting) back in the day, or the t20 finals over west brom.
Got the shoot shifted to another day. It's only a clay day. Small does come on some proper shoots with me and works with the beaters and picker ups and then stands on the peg with me for a few drives. He loves it.

I don't know much about the FFP rules to be fair but my understanding is that you can spend over and above on infrastructure. Therefore surely the redevelopment of Staplewood would fall under that category? That would mean only the £20m outstanding on transfer fees would remain as debt. If the board had said we intend to repay the £20m and reinvest the rest in the squad I wouldn't have a problem with that but they didn't say that. The subtle change from 'reinvest in players' to 'reinvest in players and wages' illustrates the slippery nature of this board. I really don't trust them. As someone else said earlier if their hand really has been forced then level with us and explain the plan going forward.
Agree, first irt was reinvested in players, then players and wages and paying of debt which unferFFp we do not have to do re Staplewood, with the evidence as of today i think a jury would convict the board of asset stripping (i know it is not illegal I am just making a point).
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: just more media tripe. they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again. seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble. if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy![/p][/quote]The battles may have been with the players rather than the opposing clubs but however you want to look at it he said no players were for sale and then sold 5. Adam was there for the persuading, no doubt about it although Luke was off. Ralphy even sat on telly and said no player would be sold before a new manager was appointed and then did a deal on Lambert later the same facking day!! Jesus, has he no pride or integrity? Even if he'd said to Brenda: 'Listen mush, happy to sell you the old git but I've just made a silly statement on telly and this lot, particularly Seed, will bash me about the head with it so can we reach a gentleman's agreement and finalise it after the World Cup?' Brenda: 'No. Everyone knows you're a liar.' Heiligen your defence of the board is becoming unsustainable. Will you at least agree, after his categoric statement, that Ralph has to go if we sell Morgan this summer?[/p][/quote]I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on certain subjects seed. you have your view I have mine and whichever is right it will either be good or bad for the club, if neither of us is right then god knows what will happen. as you say with ralphs unambiguous statement regarding spider and J-rod he will have no other option but to quit if, and I don't think they will, either are sold. they didn't go back on their word in the jan window when they said none would be sold so I have to take them at their word. they didn't say though that they wouldn't be `loaned` out! ;0) oh no what have I said certain, not you seed, posters will now keep telling us that they will be loaned! as I say seed lets just agree to disagree and get back to the important job of supporting the team, we still have some excellent players and will imo bring in some more. I think we are in for a very exciting season with lots of twists and turns and plenty of goals![/p][/quote]We agree on one thing then! Kreuger goes if Morgan or Jay are sold this window. Let me give you an example of the knock on effects of this. Seed the Small is a big Saints fan, he's 12 and has been coming with me regularly for the last 5 seasons. Last year he went to most home games and several away including City, Liverpool and West Ham. Just now I spoke to him as I have him the week of 23rd August which is first home game of the season, T20 finals day at Egbaston and we have also been invited on a clay pigeon shoot. He was adamant T20 or shoot, not interested in going to SMS. I pushed him but he says he's lost all interest, we've sold the players he identified with and doesn't feel the same anymore. So I've booked the T20 tickets. That is what this board have done.[/p][/quote]well its your job as a saints fan to convince him that saints are still the best football club in the world. my 7yr old girl was/is a huge rickie fan and was gutted when I told her he had been sold. her response was `who is going to play instead`. I just told her players will always come and go, she also likes dejerk big vic jrod and gazza after meeting them at signings last year, I also told her how gutted I was as a kid when Keagan left. to be honest seed given that choice I would be tempted to go shooting, I used to love a bit of hunting (proper hunting) back in the day, or the t20 finals over west brom.[/p][/quote]Got the shoot shifted to another day. It's only a clay day. Small does come on some proper shoots with me and works with the beaters and picker ups and then stands on the peg with me for a few drives. He loves it. I don't know much about the FFP rules to be fair but my understanding is that you can spend over and above on infrastructure. Therefore surely the redevelopment of Staplewood would fall under that category? That would mean only the £20m outstanding on transfer fees would remain as debt. If the board had said we intend to repay the £20m and reinvest the rest in the squad I wouldn't have a problem with that but they didn't say that. The subtle change from 'reinvest in players' to 'reinvest in players and wages' illustrates the slippery nature of this board. I really don't trust them. As someone else said earlier if their hand really has been forced then level with us and explain the plan going forward.[/p][/quote]Agree, first irt was reinvested in players, then players and wages and paying of debt which unferFFp we do not have to do re Staplewood, with the evidence as of today i think a jury would convict the board of asset stripping (i know it is not illegal I am just making a point). warrens 76
  • Score: -1

3:43pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Matey with the blog can no doubt put me right on this one but here's some rough figures. You are allowed to spend approximately 60% of turnover on players wages, our turnover was approximately £100m so that gives you £60m to spend on a squad of 25. That's an average of £2.4m each or £46k a week. That's plenty to have a few higher paid ones and a few lower to even it out. (Anyway I think only Osvaldo was on that sort of money and he was out on loan.) Sounds like plenty to me particularly as Morgan is rumoured to be on £9k a week and Cork even less!
Matey with the blog can no doubt put me right on this one but here's some rough figures. You are allowed to spend approximately 60% of turnover on players wages, our turnover was approximately £100m so that gives you £60m to spend on a squad of 25. That's an average of £2.4m each or £46k a week. That's plenty to have a few higher paid ones and a few lower to even it out. (Anyway I think only Osvaldo was on that sort of money and he was out on loan.) Sounds like plenty to me particularly as Morgan is rumoured to be on £9k a week and Cork even less! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -5

3:46pm Tue 5 Aug 14

paulmsh says...

Good of Daniel Levy to make it even easier for us to refuse to sell. In my opinion if Ron Koeman has brought in enough quality by deadline day and he is willing to let Morgan go, it will be to Arsenal for ready cash.
Good of Daniel Levy to make it even easier for us to refuse to sell. In my opinion if Ron Koeman has brought in enough quality by deadline day and he is willing to let Morgan go, it will be to Arsenal for ready cash. paulmsh
  • Score: -3

3:53pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
just more media tripe.
they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again.


seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble.
if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy!
The battles may have been with the players rather than the opposing clubs but however you want to look at it he said no players were for sale and then sold 5. Adam was there for the persuading, no doubt about it although Luke was off.

Ralphy even sat on telly and said no player would be sold before a new manager was appointed and then did a deal on Lambert later the same facking day!! Jesus, has he no pride or integrity? Even if he'd said to Brenda:

'Listen mush, happy to sell you the old git but I've just made a silly statement on telly and this lot, particularly Seed, will bash me about the head with it so can we reach a gentleman's agreement and finalise it after the World Cup?'

Brenda: 'No. Everyone knows you're a liar.'

Heiligen your defence of the board is becoming unsustainable. Will you at least agree, after his categoric statement, that Ralph has to go if we sell Morgan this summer?
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on certain subjects seed. you have your view I have mine and whichever is right it will either be good or bad for the club, if neither of us is right then god knows what will happen.
as you say with ralphs unambiguous statement regarding spider and J-rod he will have no other option but to quit if, and I don't think they will, either are sold. they didn't go back on their word in the jan window when they said none would be sold so I have to take them at their word. they didn't say though that they wouldn't be `loaned` out! ;0) oh no what have I said certain, not you seed, posters will now keep telling us that they will be loaned!
as I say seed lets just agree to disagree and get back to the important job of supporting the team, we still have some excellent players and will imo bring in some more. I think we are in for a very exciting season with lots of twists and turns and plenty of goals!
We agree on one thing then! Kreuger goes if Morgan or Jay are sold this window.

Let me give you an example of the knock on effects of this. Seed the Small is a big Saints fan, he's 12 and has been coming with me regularly for the last 5 seasons. Last year he went to most home games and several away including City, Liverpool and West Ham. Just now I spoke to him as I have him the week of 23rd August which is first home game of the season, T20 finals day at Egbaston and we have also been invited on a clay pigeon shoot. He was adamant T20 or shoot, not interested in going to SMS. I pushed him but he says he's lost all interest, we've sold the players he identified with and doesn't feel the same anymore. So I've booked the T20 tickets. That is what this board have done.
well its your job as a saints fan to convince him that saints are still the best football club in the world.
my 7yr old girl was/is a huge rickie fan and was gutted when I told her he had been sold. her response was `who is going to play instead`. I just told her players will always come and go, she also likes dejerk big vic jrod and gazza after meeting them at signings last year, I also told her how gutted I was as a kid when Keagan left.
to be honest seed given that choice I would be tempted to go shooting, I used to love a bit of hunting (proper hunting) back in the day, or the t20 finals over west brom.
Got the shoot shifted to another day. It's only a clay day. Small does come on some proper shoots with me and works with the beaters and picker ups and then stands on the peg with me for a few drives. He loves it.

I don't know much about the FFP rules to be fair but my understanding is that you can spend over and above on infrastructure. Therefore surely the redevelopment of Staplewood would fall under that category? That would mean only the £20m outstanding on transfer fees would remain as debt. If the board had said we intend to repay the £20m and reinvest the rest in the squad I wouldn't have a problem with that but they didn't say that. The subtle change from 'reinvest in players' to 'reinvest in players and wages' illustrates the slippery nature of this board. I really don't trust them. As someone else said earlier if their hand really has been forced then level with us and explain the plan going forward.
Agree, first irt was reinvested in players, then players and wages and paying of debt which unferFFp we do not have to do re Staplewood, with the evidence as of today i think a jury would convict the board of asset stripping (i know it is not illegal I am just making a point).
And all the time,making it appear that it was Cortese who created the problem,clever!
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: just more media tripe. they are desperate for us to sell spider, as some of our fans seem to be, because it gives them more ammunition to shoot at our club. ralph came out and said that spider and j-rod would not be leaving this window, he cant be clearer than that. yet all we keep seeing are constant rumour after rumour suggesting that this that and the other club have bid x y and z amount for the 2 of them. as i said they are doing all they can to unsettle the players as having a `club in crisis` makes great copy! they have suggested that spuds have offered up several different players as a make weight, that might be the one part they are getting right, we all know spuds haven't got any serious money to spend this year, pochaliar has been sold a dummy and is desperately trying to offload players, that no one wants, for cash or as part exchange. it will be interesting to see how `great` he is this season and whether he hands over control of cup games to jesus again. seed how has les `lost every battle so far`? he has got other clubs to well overpay for players that had no intention of staying, not just my opinion as many media outlets and ex-players have come out and said that manure overpaid for luke, even after he was told he could go by NC. Brenda has had to come out and defend the fee he paid for liarlanna after criticism from lots of sources, he got the£20mill for dejerk that NC told him he could go for and got arsenil to pay £16mill for our second choice right back who had only played a handful of games, even wenger said it was a big gamble. if you accept that these players were off no matter what, and lets be honest here they were, then les reed has managed to get the best deals for saints that he could. he even got spuds to pay compensation for pochaliar! so come on how has he lost every battle, and as I said dont say he could have kept the players because some, if not all, of those who have gone had deals saying they could go, and they wanted to go, for either the money or champs league, but they wanted to go and before NC had even spat the dummy![/p][/quote]The battles may have been with the players rather than the opposing clubs but however you want to look at it he said no players were for sale and then sold 5. Adam was there for the persuading, no doubt about it although Luke was off. Ralphy even sat on telly and said no player would be sold before a new manager was appointed and then did a deal on Lambert later the same facking day!! Jesus, has he no pride or integrity? Even if he'd said to Brenda: 'Listen mush, happy to sell you the old git but I've just made a silly statement on telly and this lot, particularly Seed, will bash me about the head with it so can we reach a gentleman's agreement and finalise it after the World Cup?' Brenda: 'No. Everyone knows you're a liar.' Heiligen your defence of the board is becoming unsustainable. Will you at least agree, after his categoric statement, that Ralph has to go if we sell Morgan this summer?[/p][/quote]I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on certain subjects seed. you have your view I have mine and whichever is right it will either be good or bad for the club, if neither of us is right then god knows what will happen. as you say with ralphs unambiguous statement regarding spider and J-rod he will have no other option but to quit if, and I don't think they will, either are sold. they didn't go back on their word in the jan window when they said none would be sold so I have to take them at their word. they didn't say though that they wouldn't be `loaned` out! ;0) oh no what have I said certain, not you seed, posters will now keep telling us that they will be loaned! as I say seed lets just agree to disagree and get back to the important job of supporting the team, we still have some excellent players and will imo bring in some more. I think we are in for a very exciting season with lots of twists and turns and plenty of goals![/p][/quote]We agree on one thing then! Kreuger goes if Morgan or Jay are sold this window. Let me give you an example of the knock on effects of this. Seed the Small is a big Saints fan, he's 12 and has been coming with me regularly for the last 5 seasons. Last year he went to most home games and several away including City, Liverpool and West Ham. Just now I spoke to him as I have him the week of 23rd August which is first home game of the season, T20 finals day at Egbaston and we have also been invited on a clay pigeon shoot. He was adamant T20 or shoot, not interested in going to SMS. I pushed him but he says he's lost all interest, we've sold the players he identified with and doesn't feel the same anymore. So I've booked the T20 tickets. That is what this board have done.[/p][/quote]well its your job as a saints fan to convince him that saints are still the best football club in the world. my 7yr old girl was/is a huge rickie fan and was gutted when I told her he had been sold. her response was `who is going to play instead`. I just told her players will always come and go, she also likes dejerk big vic jrod and gazza after meeting them at signings last year, I also told her how gutted I was as a kid when Keagan left. to be honest seed given that choice I would be tempted to go shooting, I used to love a bit of hunting (proper hunting) back in the day, or the t20 finals over west brom.[/p][/quote]Got the shoot shifted to another day. It's only a clay day. Small does come on some proper shoots with me and works with the beaters and picker ups and then stands on the peg with me for a few drives. He loves it. I don't know much about the FFP rules to be fair but my understanding is that you can spend over and above on infrastructure. Therefore surely the redevelopment of Staplewood would fall under that category? That would mean only the £20m outstanding on transfer fees would remain as debt. If the board had said we intend to repay the £20m and reinvest the rest in the squad I wouldn't have a problem with that but they didn't say that. The subtle change from 'reinvest in players' to 'reinvest in players and wages' illustrates the slippery nature of this board. I really don't trust them. As someone else said earlier if their hand really has been forced then level with us and explain the plan going forward.[/p][/quote]Agree, first irt was reinvested in players, then players and wages and paying of debt which unferFFp we do not have to do re Staplewood, with the evidence as of today i think a jury would convict the board of asset stripping (i know it is not illegal I am just making a point).[/p][/quote]And all the time,making it appear that it was Cortese who created the problem,clever! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -3

4:00pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

st1halo wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo


gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this

"One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture."

Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!.

STID
I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it.

And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out.

I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this "One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture." Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!. STID[/p][/quote]I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it. And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out. I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed? SaintJD
  • Score: -2

4:01pm Tue 5 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Matey with the blog can no doubt put me right on this one but here's some rough figures. You are allowed to spend approximately 60% of turnover on players wages, our turnover was approximately £100m so that gives you £60m to spend on a squad of 25. That's an average of £2.4m each or £46k a week. That's plenty to have a few higher paid ones and a few lower to even it out. (Anyway I think only Osvaldo was on that sort of money and he was out on loan.) Sounds like plenty to me particularly as Morgan is rumoured to be on £9k a week and Cork even less!
theres no percentage any more seed. its a set cap of £56mill this season and £60mill next season from tv revenues. if a club is able to raise more income from player sales and corporate funding, sponsorship, stadium naming etc etc, then that is added to the £56mill. clubs already above that limit can raise their wage bill by 4%. that's why everyone is saying it will stop teams from breaking into the top 4/6. manure can raise 4% above the £56mill and then add the £75mill a year kit deal and the £75mill a year chevy deal, then add gate receipts and other deals and you can see that they are able to pay 4 times min what we can, and that's despite having a near £1bill debt! building of stadiums and academies don't count so that cost can be offset.
this is why we are doing some loan deals this year. keep the income figure up without much expenditure and we are able to increase our wage structure by quite a lot more than we otherwise could.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Matey with the blog can no doubt put me right on this one but here's some rough figures. You are allowed to spend approximately 60% of turnover on players wages, our turnover was approximately £100m so that gives you £60m to spend on a squad of 25. That's an average of £2.4m each or £46k a week. That's plenty to have a few higher paid ones and a few lower to even it out. (Anyway I think only Osvaldo was on that sort of money and he was out on loan.) Sounds like plenty to me particularly as Morgan is rumoured to be on £9k a week and Cork even less![/p][/quote]theres no percentage any more seed. its a set cap of £56mill this season and £60mill next season from tv revenues. if a club is able to raise more income from player sales and corporate funding, sponsorship, stadium naming etc etc, then that is added to the £56mill. clubs already above that limit can raise their wage bill by 4%. that's why everyone is saying it will stop teams from breaking into the top 4/6. manure can raise 4% above the £56mill and then add the £75mill a year kit deal and the £75mill a year chevy deal, then add gate receipts and other deals and you can see that they are able to pay 4 times min what we can, and that's despite having a near £1bill debt! building of stadiums and academies don't count so that cost can be offset. this is why we are doing some loan deals this year. keep the income figure up without much expenditure and we are able to increase our wage structure by quite a lot more than we otherwise could. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 5

4:05pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

SaintJD wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo



gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this

"One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture."

Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!.

STID
I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it.

And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out.

I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?
Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this "One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture." Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!. STID[/p][/quote]I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it. And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out. I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?[/p][/quote]Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

4:09pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SodburySaint93 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Matey with the blog can no doubt put me right on this one but here's some rough figures. You are allowed to spend approximately 60% of turnover on players wages, our turnover was approximately £100m so that gives you £60m to spend on a squad of 25. That's an average of £2.4m each or £46k a week. That's plenty to have a few higher paid ones and a few lower to even it out. (Anyway I think only Osvaldo was on that sort of money and he was out on loan.) Sounds like plenty to me particularly as Morgan is rumoured to be on £9k a week and Cork even less!
theres no percentage any more seed. its a set cap of £56mill this season and £60mill next season from tv revenues. if a club is able to raise more income from player sales and corporate funding, sponsorship, stadium naming etc etc, then that is added to the £56mill. clubs already above that limit can raise their wage bill by 4%. that's why everyone is saying it will stop teams from breaking into the top 4/6. manure can raise 4% above the £56mill and then add the £75mill a year kit deal and the £75mill a year chevy deal, then add gate receipts and other deals and you can see that they are able to pay 4 times min what we can, and that's despite having a near £1bill debt! building of stadiums and academies don't count so that cost can be offset.
this is why we are doing some loan deals this year. keep the income figure up without much expenditure and we are able to increase our wage structure by quite a lot more than we otherwise could.
Agree with both of you

Therefore I think our target players are a couple of £7m - £10m in value and paying them £25k-£30k a week

A couple of loans (maybe with an option to buy) and keep a bit back for January if needed.

Can't see big names and £100k a week players at Saints for a few years, but we don't want prima donna's - just good quality team players working to a team ethic - that's what got us to 8th last year
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Matey with the blog can no doubt put me right on this one but here's some rough figures. You are allowed to spend approximately 60% of turnover on players wages, our turnover was approximately £100m so that gives you £60m to spend on a squad of 25. That's an average of £2.4m each or £46k a week. That's plenty to have a few higher paid ones and a few lower to even it out. (Anyway I think only Osvaldo was on that sort of money and he was out on loan.) Sounds like plenty to me particularly as Morgan is rumoured to be on £9k a week and Cork even less![/p][/quote]theres no percentage any more seed. its a set cap of £56mill this season and £60mill next season from tv revenues. if a club is able to raise more income from player sales and corporate funding, sponsorship, stadium naming etc etc, then that is added to the £56mill. clubs already above that limit can raise their wage bill by 4%. that's why everyone is saying it will stop teams from breaking into the top 4/6. manure can raise 4% above the £56mill and then add the £75mill a year kit deal and the £75mill a year chevy deal, then add gate receipts and other deals and you can see that they are able to pay 4 times min what we can, and that's despite having a near £1bill debt! building of stadiums and academies don't count so that cost can be offset. this is why we are doing some loan deals this year. keep the income figure up without much expenditure and we are able to increase our wage structure by quite a lot more than we otherwise could.[/p][/quote]Agree with both of you Therefore I think our target players are a couple of £7m - £10m in value and paying them £25k-£30k a week A couple of loans (maybe with an option to buy) and keep a bit back for January if needed. Can't see big names and £100k a week players at Saints for a few years, but we don't want prima donna's - just good quality team players working to a team ethic - that's what got us to 8th last year SodburySaint93
  • Score: 3

4:13pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Matey with the blog can no doubt put me right on this one but here's some rough figures. You are allowed to spend approximately 60% of turnover on players wages, our turnover was approximately £100m so that gives you £60m to spend on a squad of 25. That's an average of £2.4m each or £46k a week. That's plenty to have a few higher paid ones and a few lower to even it out. (Anyway I think only Osvaldo was on that sort of money and he was out on loan.) Sounds like plenty to me particularly as Morgan is rumoured to be on £9k a week and Cork even less!
theres no percentage any more seed. its a set cap of £56mill this season and £60mill next season from tv revenues. if a club is able to raise more income from player sales and corporate funding, sponsorship, stadium naming etc etc, then that is added to the £56mill. clubs already above that limit can raise their wage bill by 4%. that's why everyone is saying it will stop teams from breaking into the top 4/6. manure can raise 4% above the £56mill and then add the £75mill a year kit deal and the £75mill a year chevy deal, then add gate receipts and other deals and you can see that they are able to pay 4 times min what we can, and that's despite having a near £1bill debt! building of stadiums and academies don't count so that cost can be offset.
this is why we are doing some loan deals this year. keep the income figure up without much expenditure and we are able to increase our wage structure by quite a lot more than we otherwise could.
Ok £56m plus gate receipts plus £50 from Vewho does not alter my figures by much. Look at the average per player - that is not what we are spending!
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Matey with the blog can no doubt put me right on this one but here's some rough figures. You are allowed to spend approximately 60% of turnover on players wages, our turnover was approximately £100m so that gives you £60m to spend on a squad of 25. That's an average of £2.4m each or £46k a week. That's plenty to have a few higher paid ones and a few lower to even it out. (Anyway I think only Osvaldo was on that sort of money and he was out on loan.) Sounds like plenty to me particularly as Morgan is rumoured to be on £9k a week and Cork even less![/p][/quote]theres no percentage any more seed. its a set cap of £56mill this season and £60mill next season from tv revenues. if a club is able to raise more income from player sales and corporate funding, sponsorship, stadium naming etc etc, then that is added to the £56mill. clubs already above that limit can raise their wage bill by 4%. that's why everyone is saying it will stop teams from breaking into the top 4/6. manure can raise 4% above the £56mill and then add the £75mill a year kit deal and the £75mill a year chevy deal, then add gate receipts and other deals and you can see that they are able to pay 4 times min what we can, and that's despite having a near £1bill debt! building of stadiums and academies don't count so that cost can be offset. this is why we are doing some loan deals this year. keep the income figure up without much expenditure and we are able to increase our wage structure by quite a lot more than we otherwise could.[/p][/quote]Ok £56m plus gate receipts plus £50 from Vewho does not alter my figures by much. Look at the average per player - that is not what we are spending! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -6

4:17pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

SodburySaint93 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Matey with the blog can no doubt put me right on this one but here's some rough figures. You are allowed to spend approximately 60% of turnover on players wages, our turnover was approximately £100m so that gives you £60m to spend on a squad of 25. That's an average of £2.4m each or £46k a week. That's plenty to have a few higher paid ones and a few lower to even it out. (Anyway I think only Osvaldo was on that sort of money and he was out on loan.) Sounds like plenty to me particularly as Morgan is rumoured to be on £9k a week and Cork even less!
theres no percentage any more seed. its a set cap of £56mill this season and £60mill next season from tv revenues. if a club is able to raise more income from player sales and corporate funding, sponsorship, stadium naming etc etc, then that is added to the £56mill. clubs already above that limit can raise their wage bill by 4%. that's why everyone is saying it will stop teams from breaking into the top 4/6. manure can raise 4% above the £56mill and then add the £75mill a year kit deal and the £75mill a year chevy deal, then add gate receipts and other deals and you can see that they are able to pay 4 times min what we can, and that's despite having a near £1bill debt! building of stadiums and academies don't count so that cost can be offset.
this is why we are doing some loan deals this year. keep the income figure up without much expenditure and we are able to increase our wage structure by quite a lot more than we otherwise could.
Agree with both of you

Therefore I think our target players are a couple of £7m - £10m in value and paying them £25k-£30k a week

A couple of loans (maybe with an option to buy) and keep a bit back for January if needed.

Can't see big names and £100k a week players at Saints for a few years, but we don't want prima donna's - just good quality team players working to a team ethic - that's what got us to 8th last year
It looks very much like Nicola had some plan to get round,or minimise the effects of FFP,on the clubs progress,and Kat wasn't buying it,so he walked.The sad thing is,the players had obviously bought into the plan too,which would have lessened the impact even more,and meant that the club could've continued its upward momentum,albeit maybe at not such a meteoric pace as before.
[quote][p][bold]SodburySaint93[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Matey with the blog can no doubt put me right on this one but here's some rough figures. You are allowed to spend approximately 60% of turnover on players wages, our turnover was approximately £100m so that gives you £60m to spend on a squad of 25. That's an average of £2.4m each or £46k a week. That's plenty to have a few higher paid ones and a few lower to even it out. (Anyway I think only Osvaldo was on that sort of money and he was out on loan.) Sounds like plenty to me particularly as Morgan is rumoured to be on £9k a week and Cork even less![/p][/quote]theres no percentage any more seed. its a set cap of £56mill this season and £60mill next season from tv revenues. if a club is able to raise more income from player sales and corporate funding, sponsorship, stadium naming etc etc, then that is added to the £56mill. clubs already above that limit can raise their wage bill by 4%. that's why everyone is saying it will stop teams from breaking into the top 4/6. manure can raise 4% above the £56mill and then add the £75mill a year kit deal and the £75mill a year chevy deal, then add gate receipts and other deals and you can see that they are able to pay 4 times min what we can, and that's despite having a near £1bill debt! building of stadiums and academies don't count so that cost can be offset. this is why we are doing some loan deals this year. keep the income figure up without much expenditure and we are able to increase our wage structure by quite a lot more than we otherwise could.[/p][/quote]Agree with both of you Therefore I think our target players are a couple of £7m - £10m in value and paying them £25k-£30k a week A couple of loans (maybe with an option to buy) and keep a bit back for January if needed. Can't see big names and £100k a week players at Saints for a few years, but we don't want prima donna's - just good quality team players working to a team ethic - that's what got us to 8th last year[/p][/quote]It looks very much like Nicola had some plan to get round,or minimise the effects of FFP,on the clubs progress,and Kat wasn't buying it,so he walked.The sad thing is,the players had obviously bought into the plan too,which would have lessened the impact even more,and meant that the club could've continued its upward momentum,albeit maybe at not such a meteoric pace as before. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -2

4:22pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

SaintJD wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo



gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this

"One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture."

Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!.

STID
I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it.

And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out.

I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?
The other thing that really strikes me from that blog is the fact that players who have been at the club for a long time are, as you'd maybe expect, on lower wages than players brought in from outside, thus the concept of keeping those players on reasonable packages can make more financial sense than buying new ones with wage demands outside the club's normal bracket.

To make my point, according to the blog, Osvaldo was on 3.6M a year compared to Lallana on £2.3M.

Now that is outrageous for several reasons and, frankly, says quite a lot about why there was discontent in the club regarding potential to earn more money elsewhere - unjust to the extreme and only NC can know why that was allowed to happen.

My other question would be - where does this put QPR?

I just don't see a great deal of evidence of clubs working within these rules. Equally, Liverpool have lost Suarez but not many other players but have brought in six or seven new players, apparently on big wages - how is this within the 4% rule? Doesn't add up to me, unless we want to play by the rules when everyone else is just flouting them?

Question is - is relegation more of a financial risk than taking a hit with a fine? I think we know the answer to that one.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this "One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture." Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!. STID[/p][/quote]I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it. And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out. I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?[/p][/quote]The other thing that really strikes me from that blog is the fact that players who have been at the club for a long time are, as you'd maybe expect, on lower wages than players brought in from outside, thus the concept of keeping those players on reasonable packages can make more financial sense than buying new ones with wage demands outside the club's normal bracket. To make my point, according to the blog, Osvaldo was on 3.6M a year compared to Lallana on £2.3M. Now that is outrageous for several reasons and, frankly, says quite a lot about why there was discontent in the club regarding potential to earn more money elsewhere - unjust to the extreme and only NC can know why that was allowed to happen. My other question would be - where does this put QPR? I just don't see a great deal of evidence of clubs working within these rules. Equally, Liverpool have lost Suarez but not many other players but have brought in six or seven new players, apparently on big wages - how is this within the 4% rule? Doesn't add up to me, unless we want to play by the rules when everyone else is just flouting them? Question is - is relegation more of a financial risk than taking a hit with a fine? I think we know the answer to that one. SaintJD
  • Score: -1

4:26pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Matey with the blog can no doubt put me right on this one but here's some rough figures. You are allowed to spend approximately 60% of turnover on players wages, our turnover was approximately £100m so that gives you £60m to spend on a squad of 25. That's an average of £2.4m each or £46k a week. That's plenty to have a few higher paid ones and a few lower to even it out. (Anyway I think only Osvaldo was on that sort of money and he was out on loan.) Sounds like plenty to me particularly as Morgan is rumoured to be on £9k a week and Cork even less!
theres no percentage any more seed. its a set cap of £56mill this season and £60mill next season from tv revenues. if a club is able to raise more income from player sales and corporate funding, sponsorship, stadium naming etc etc, then that is added to the £56mill. clubs already above that limit can raise their wage bill by 4%. that's why everyone is saying it will stop teams from breaking into the top 4/6. manure can raise 4% above the £56mill and then add the £75mill a year kit deal and the £75mill a year chevy deal, then add gate receipts and other deals and you can see that they are able to pay 4 times min what we can, and that's despite having a near £1bill debt! building of stadiums and academies don't count so that cost can be offset.
this is why we are doing some loan deals this year. keep the income figure up without much expenditure and we are able to increase our wage structure by quite a lot more than we otherwise could.
That's actually a very good explanation and explains a lot, thanks, so clearly you are not Les Reed.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Matey with the blog can no doubt put me right on this one but here's some rough figures. You are allowed to spend approximately 60% of turnover on players wages, our turnover was approximately £100m so that gives you £60m to spend on a squad of 25. That's an average of £2.4m each or £46k a week. That's plenty to have a few higher paid ones and a few lower to even it out. (Anyway I think only Osvaldo was on that sort of money and he was out on loan.) Sounds like plenty to me particularly as Morgan is rumoured to be on £9k a week and Cork even less![/p][/quote]theres no percentage any more seed. its a set cap of £56mill this season and £60mill next season from tv revenues. if a club is able to raise more income from player sales and corporate funding, sponsorship, stadium naming etc etc, then that is added to the £56mill. clubs already above that limit can raise their wage bill by 4%. that's why everyone is saying it will stop teams from breaking into the top 4/6. manure can raise 4% above the £56mill and then add the £75mill a year kit deal and the £75mill a year chevy deal, then add gate receipts and other deals and you can see that they are able to pay 4 times min what we can, and that's despite having a near £1bill debt! building of stadiums and academies don't count so that cost can be offset. this is why we are doing some loan deals this year. keep the income figure up without much expenditure and we are able to increase our wage structure by quite a lot more than we otherwise could.[/p][/quote]That's actually a very good explanation and explains a lot, thanks, so clearly you are not Les Reed. SaintJD
  • Score: 4

4:37pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo

gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
It's very interesting and a good blog etc

I just can't believe the figures due to his source... FM 2014?? That's a computer game FFS!!
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]It's very interesting and a good blog etc I just can't believe the figures due to his source... FM 2014?? That's a computer game FFS!! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: -4

4:40pm Tue 5 Aug 14

deepheat says...

"It is easy enough to be pleasant
When life flows by like a song,
But the man worth while is the one who will smile
When everything goes f@*king wrong."
"It is easy enough to be pleasant When life flows by like a song, But the man worth while is the one who will smile When everything goes f@*king wrong." deepheat
  • Score: -1

4:44pm Tue 5 Aug 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

One way to counter the FFP is to do what Man City are doing and buy up other clubs around the world. Saints need to look at expanding St Mary's for starters then we will increase our revenue.
One way to counter the FFP is to do what Man City are doing and buy up other clubs around the world. Saints need to look at expanding St Mary's for starters then we will increase our revenue. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 0

4:45pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo




gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this

"One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture."

Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!.

STID
I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it.

And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out.

I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?
Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are.
Sounds like a couple of Ostridges with their heads buried in the sand, FFP is now here and a fact of life whether you like it or not, sure you can invest as much(or as little) as you like, but the truth of the matter is if your wages were X at the start of season 2009/2010 or Y on 2010/2013 or Z on 2013/2014 it can only increase by £4million per year, the bigger teams get around it by bigger match day/commercial revenue and what their wages were at the start of FFP.
You can check the details out here http://www.financial
fairplay.co.uk/
This may be why Saints have taken on Ralph Krueger to try and expand in to the USA market which in time will expand our commercial revenue and in turn will give us an advantage over teams who are at the moment similar in size to us.
Also for next season, if we dont go to mad with the money this season, we will have a large trading surplus with will then in turn increase our ability to pay higher wages, up to £70 odd million, depending on how we do.
Anyway, we all want the best for the Saints, bring on the Scousers and smash em on day one!
COYS
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this "One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture." Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!. STID[/p][/quote]I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it. And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out. I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?[/p][/quote]Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are.[/p][/quote]Sounds like a couple of Ostridges with their heads buried in the sand, FFP is now here and a fact of life whether you like it or not, sure you can invest as much(or as little) as you like, but the truth of the matter is if your wages were X at the start of season 2009/2010 or Y on 2010/2013 or Z on 2013/2014 it can only increase by £4million per year, the bigger teams get around it by bigger match day/commercial revenue and what their wages were at the start of FFP. You can check the details out here http://www.financial fairplay.co.uk/ This may be why Saints have taken on Ralph Krueger to try and expand in to the USA market which in time will expand our commercial revenue and in turn will give us an advantage over teams who are at the moment similar in size to us. Also for next season, if we dont go to mad with the money this season, we will have a large trading surplus with will then in turn increase our ability to pay higher wages, up to £70 odd million, depending on how we do. Anyway, we all want the best for the Saints, bring on the Scousers and smash em on day one! COYS SaintAsh1964
  • Score: 3

4:49pm Tue 5 Aug 14

st1halo says...

george chivers wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo



gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this

"One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture."

Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!.

STID
As long as we retain the surplus from our dealings and PL money and it is not redistributed in dividends and repayments of loans to KL.

The rules certainly discourage new rich owners coming in when a club is relatively successful like ours. Perhaps what KL is doing is replacing expensive players with cheap players, lowering the cost base (wages) and setting the club up to be sold as a premium price to a buyer who is willing to pay higher wages and invest because the profit margin achieved by KL allows him to do so.

She gets out with a bag full of cash, he walks into a big opportunity.

I have never believed she is here for the long term. Football is a hobby business for ultra rich owners who want status within the world of football. Not a shrewd Swiss female business woman who probably has no interest in football whatsoever, apart from watching us occasionally and smiling for the cameras.
I don't believe for a moment that she intends to sell, no doubt she will at some point but I think she has far more respect for her fathers memory than to asset strip and sell for what would be (for her) the equivalent of a £2.70p win on the lottery for you and I.
I'm not happy with the way the board has handled their affairs. We have gone from a shining example of a football club to the butt of everyone's jokes in two months. The kudos we attained is in tatters and the knock on effect will be difficulty in being taken seriously and attracting players. We will have to work incredibly hard on and off the pitch to make up for this close season. However the fact remains the game is fast becoming as much about financial planning as football and that means the sales will give us an advantage going forward. Whether we exploit that advantage remains to be seen.

STID
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this "One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture." Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!. STID[/p][/quote]As long as we retain the surplus from our dealings and PL money and it is not redistributed in dividends and repayments of loans to KL. The rules certainly discourage new rich owners coming in when a club is relatively successful like ours. Perhaps what KL is doing is replacing expensive players with cheap players, lowering the cost base (wages) and setting the club up to be sold as a premium price to a buyer who is willing to pay higher wages and invest because the profit margin achieved by KL allows him to do so. She gets out with a bag full of cash, he walks into a big opportunity. I have never believed she is here for the long term. Football is a hobby business for ultra rich owners who want status within the world of football. Not a shrewd Swiss female business woman who probably has no interest in football whatsoever, apart from watching us occasionally and smiling for the cameras.[/p][/quote]I don't believe for a moment that she intends to sell, no doubt she will at some point but I think she has far more respect for her fathers memory than to asset strip and sell for what would be (for her) the equivalent of a £2.70p win on the lottery for you and I. I'm not happy with the way the board has handled their affairs. We have gone from a shining example of a football club to the butt of everyone's jokes in two months. The kudos we attained is in tatters and the knock on effect will be difficulty in being taken seriously and attracting players. We will have to work incredibly hard on and off the pitch to make up for this close season. However the fact remains the game is fast becoming as much about financial planning as football and that means the sales will give us an advantage going forward. Whether we exploit that advantage remains to be seen. STID st1halo
  • Score: 1

4:55pm Tue 5 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

SaintJD wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo



gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this

"One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture."

Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!.

STID
I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it.

And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out.

I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?
you do know that mancy got a fine from uefa don't you?
they were done under the uefa ffp rule and not the FA`s which are totally eperate and a lot more lenient.
when having a dig at other posters its good to have knowledge on the subject don't you think? ;0)
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this "One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture." Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!. STID[/p][/quote]I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it. And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out. I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?[/p][/quote]you do know that mancy got a fine from uefa don't you? they were done under the uefa ffp rule and not the FA`s which are totally eperate and a lot more lenient. when having a dig at other posters its good to have knowledge on the subject don't you think? ;0) de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 3

4:58pm Tue 5 Aug 14

THE12THMAN says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
One way to counter the FFP is to do what Man City are doing and buy up other clubs around the world. Saints need to look at expanding St Mary's for starters then we will increase our revenue.
No one in their right mind is going to expand St Mary's until we start selling out all our home games, why add extra seats if you don't need them, correct me if I am wrong but I think we only sold out four home games last season.
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: One way to counter the FFP is to do what Man City are doing and buy up other clubs around the world. Saints need to look at expanding St Mary's for starters then we will increase our revenue.[/p][/quote]No one in their right mind is going to expand St Mary's until we start selling out all our home games, why add extra seats if you don't need them, correct me if I am wrong but I think we only sold out four home games last season. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 5

4:59pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo





gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this

"One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture."

Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!.

STID
I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it.

And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out.

I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?
Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are.
Sounds like a couple of Ostridges with their heads buried in the sand, FFP is now here and a fact of life whether you like it or not, sure you can invest as much(or as little) as you like, but the truth of the matter is if your wages were X at the start of season 2009/2010 or Y on 2010/2013 or Z on 2013/2014 it can only increase by £4million per year, the bigger teams get around it by bigger match day/commercial revenue and what their wages were at the start of FFP.
You can check the details out here http://www.financial

fairplay.co.uk/
This may be why Saints have taken on Ralph Krueger to try and expand in to the USA market which in time will expand our commercial revenue and in turn will give us an advantage over teams who are at the moment similar in size to us.
Also for next season, if we dont go to mad with the money this season, we will have a large trading surplus with will then in turn increase our ability to pay higher wages, up to £70 odd million, depending on how we do.
Anyway, we all want the best for the Saints, bring on the Scousers and smash em on day one!
COYS
I would be burying my head in the sand if I didn't believe that money can buy you anything if you have enough of it,and top football clubs have plenty.
If the world was fair,Sepp Blatter wouldn't be head of FIFA! ;0)
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this "One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture." Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!. STID[/p][/quote]I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it. And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out. I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?[/p][/quote]Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are.[/p][/quote]Sounds like a couple of Ostridges with their heads buried in the sand, FFP is now here and a fact of life whether you like it or not, sure you can invest as much(or as little) as you like, but the truth of the matter is if your wages were X at the start of season 2009/2010 or Y on 2010/2013 or Z on 2013/2014 it can only increase by £4million per year, the bigger teams get around it by bigger match day/commercial revenue and what their wages were at the start of FFP. You can check the details out here http://www.financial fairplay.co.uk/ This may be why Saints have taken on Ralph Krueger to try and expand in to the USA market which in time will expand our commercial revenue and in turn will give us an advantage over teams who are at the moment similar in size to us. Also for next season, if we dont go to mad with the money this season, we will have a large trading surplus with will then in turn increase our ability to pay higher wages, up to £70 odd million, depending on how we do. Anyway, we all want the best for the Saints, bring on the Scousers and smash em on day one! COYS[/p][/quote]I would be burying my head in the sand if I didn't believe that money can buy you anything if you have enough of it,and top football clubs have plenty. If the world was fair,Sepp Blatter wouldn't be head of FIFA! ;0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -1

5:02pm Tue 5 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ...

Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ...

Who can remember these chants at Brighton away ....

Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker

we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you ..

And ridiculing LIELANA .....

Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL.

Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin.

COYR +WS
scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ... Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ... Who can remember these chants at Brighton away .... Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you .. And ridiculing LIELANA ..... Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL. Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin. COYR +WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 4

5:02pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo





gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this

"One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture."

Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!.

STID
I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it.

And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out.

I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?
Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are.
Sounds like a couple of Ostridges with their heads buried in the sand, FFP is now here and a fact of life whether you like it or not, sure you can invest as much(or as little) as you like, but the truth of the matter is if your wages were X at the start of season 2009/2010 or Y on 2010/2013 or Z on 2013/2014 it can only increase by £4million per year, the bigger teams get around it by bigger match day/commercial revenue and what their wages were at the start of FFP.
You can check the details out here http://www.financial

fairplay.co.uk/
This may be why Saints have taken on Ralph Krueger to try and expand in to the USA market which in time will expand our commercial revenue and in turn will give us an advantage over teams who are at the moment similar in size to us.
Also for next season, if we dont go to mad with the money this season, we will have a large trading surplus with will then in turn increase our ability to pay higher wages, up to £70 odd million, depending on how we do.
Anyway, we all want the best for the Saints, bring on the Scousers and smash em on day one!
COYS
If we're so keen to crack the US market why did we not tour the US then?

I'd heard Ralph was over their watching Spurs and chatting to them in the directors box but we decided to play Brighton and Bournemouth.

If we are so keen to crack the US market why were we playing Swindon town?

And why have we ended our association with a global kit manufacturer?

And why is Ralph Krueger Canadian? That's like the American's employing Jeremy Clarkson to crack the German or Indian market.

I take your point on the FFP rules, which invariably will be used to hit small clubs in an inconsistent way in the same way Salisbury City are demoted two leagues and given massive financial penalties (not ideal to help you solve financial problems) while Pompey and Leeds (and maybe us) got considerably less. Same with West Ham and Tevez and Sheffield United.

Yes, it will be a Saints, Palace or Hull that they will make an example of I'm quite sure.
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this "One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture." Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!. STID[/p][/quote]I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it. And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out. I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?[/p][/quote]Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are.[/p][/quote]Sounds like a couple of Ostridges with their heads buried in the sand, FFP is now here and a fact of life whether you like it or not, sure you can invest as much(or as little) as you like, but the truth of the matter is if your wages were X at the start of season 2009/2010 or Y on 2010/2013 or Z on 2013/2014 it can only increase by £4million per year, the bigger teams get around it by bigger match day/commercial revenue and what their wages were at the start of FFP. You can check the details out here http://www.financial fairplay.co.uk/ This may be why Saints have taken on Ralph Krueger to try and expand in to the USA market which in time will expand our commercial revenue and in turn will give us an advantage over teams who are at the moment similar in size to us. Also for next season, if we dont go to mad with the money this season, we will have a large trading surplus with will then in turn increase our ability to pay higher wages, up to £70 odd million, depending on how we do. Anyway, we all want the best for the Saints, bring on the Scousers and smash em on day one! COYS[/p][/quote]If we're so keen to crack the US market why did we not tour the US then? I'd heard Ralph was over their watching Spurs and chatting to them in the directors box but we decided to play Brighton and Bournemouth. If we are so keen to crack the US market why were we playing Swindon town? And why have we ended our association with a global kit manufacturer? And why is Ralph Krueger Canadian? That's like the American's employing Jeremy Clarkson to crack the German or Indian market. I take your point on the FFP rules, which invariably will be used to hit small clubs in an inconsistent way in the same way Salisbury City are demoted two leagues and given massive financial penalties (not ideal to help you solve financial problems) while Pompey and Leeds (and maybe us) got considerably less. Same with West Ham and Tevez and Sheffield United. Yes, it will be a Saints, Palace or Hull that they will make an example of I'm quite sure. SaintJD
  • Score: 3

5:05pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ...

Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ...

Who can remember these chants at Brighton away ....

Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker

we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you ..

And ridiculing LIELANA .....

Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL.

Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin.

COYR +WS
JWP for captain please, or Jack Cork.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ... Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ... Who can remember these chants at Brighton away .... Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you .. And ridiculing LIELANA ..... Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL. Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin. COYR +WS[/p][/quote]JWP for captain please, or Jack Cork. SaintJD
  • Score: 5

5:08pm Tue 5 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
One way to counter the FFP is to do what Man City are doing and buy up other clubs around the world. Saints need to look at expanding St Mary's for starters then we will increase our revenue.
No one in their right mind is going to expand St Mary's until we start selling out all our home games, why add extra seats if you don't need them, correct me if I am wrong but I think we only sold out four home games last season.
... And selling all our star players instead of nurturing them like Everton means we have even less chance of selling out as fans switch off.

THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON could easily be a Top Ten side for the next decade - and our league position and performance will be a desire to result of our transfer market dealings.

KING RON is a TOP EUROPEAN manager and cannot be held responsible for a light squad with few signings.

WITH all the money we have - we should be pushing 5th OR 6th in the League rather than having our odds massively slashed for relegation.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: One way to counter the FFP is to do what Man City are doing and buy up other clubs around the world. Saints need to look at expanding St Mary's for starters then we will increase our revenue.[/p][/quote]No one in their right mind is going to expand St Mary's until we start selling out all our home games, why add extra seats if you don't need them, correct me if I am wrong but I think we only sold out four home games last season.[/p][/quote]... And selling all our star players instead of nurturing them like Everton means we have even less chance of selling out as fans switch off. THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON could easily be a Top Ten side for the next decade - and our league position and performance will be a desire to result of our transfer market dealings. KING RON is a TOP EUROPEAN manager and cannot be held responsible for a light squad with few signings. WITH all the money we have - we should be pushing 5th OR 6th in the League rather than having our odds massively slashed for relegation. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 3

5:08pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo




gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this

"One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture."

Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!.

STID
I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it.

And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out.

I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?
you do know that mancy got a fine from uefa don't you?
they were done under the uefa ffp rule and not the FA`s which are totally eperate and a lot more lenient.
when having a dig at other posters its good to have knowledge on the subject don't you think? ;0)
Yeah, also good to read those poster's comments before having a dig. Mine clearly states, right just above your comment, exactly what you're suggesting I missed.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this "One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture." Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!. STID[/p][/quote]I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it. And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out. I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?[/p][/quote]you do know that mancy got a fine from uefa don't you? they were done under the uefa ffp rule and not the FA`s which are totally eperate and a lot more lenient. when having a dig at other posters its good to have knowledge on the subject don't you think? ;0)[/p][/quote]Yeah, also good to read those poster's comments before having a dig. Mine clearly states, right just above your comment, exactly what you're suggesting I missed. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

5:11pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Saints n Winners says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read. I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future. Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists. By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc
I am more cynical about that blog. All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year. This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.
Same could be said about your comment, fitting an anti board stance.

Coincidence, or are you Nicola?

😂😂😂😂😂

😂
LOL. Fair point. I honestly don't know him or any his mates, or associates, and appear on this forum out of interest only ;)
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read. I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future. Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists. By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc[/p][/quote]I am more cynical about that blog. All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year. This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.[/p][/quote]Same could be said about your comment, fitting an anti board stance. Coincidence, or are you Nicola? 😂😂😂😂😂 😂[/p][/quote]LOL. Fair point. I honestly don't know him or any his mates, or associates, and appear on this forum out of interest only ;) Saints n Winners
  • Score: 0

5:16pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Jan28th1984 says...

"Spurs offer Romanian defender to Saints as makeweight in Schneiderlin deal"

Get stuffed.
"Spurs offer Romanian defender to Saints as makeweight in Schneiderlin deal" Get stuffed. Jan28th1984
  • Score: 2

5:17pm Tue 5 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

SaintJD wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ...

Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ...

Who can remember these chants at Brighton away ....

Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker

we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you ..

And ridiculing LIELANA .....

Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL.

Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin.

COYR +WS
JWP for captain please, or Jack Cork.
Cork for me
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ... Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ... Who can remember these chants at Brighton away .... Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you .. And ridiculing LIELANA ..... Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL. Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin. COYR +WS[/p][/quote]JWP for captain please, or Jack Cork.[/p][/quote]Cork for me fascia123
  • Score: 2

5:19pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo





gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this

"One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture."

Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!.

STID
I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it.

And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out.

I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?
Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are.
Sounds like a couple of Ostridges with their heads buried in the sand, FFP is now here and a fact of life whether you like it or not, sure you can invest as much(or as little) as you like, but the truth of the matter is if your wages were X at the start of season 2009/2010 or Y on 2010/2013 or Z on 2013/2014 it can only increase by £4million per year, the bigger teams get around it by bigger match day/commercial revenue and what their wages were at the start of FFP.
You can check the details out here http://www.financial

fairplay.co.uk/
This may be why Saints have taken on Ralph Krueger to try and expand in to the USA market which in time will expand our commercial revenue and in turn will give us an advantage over teams who are at the moment similar in size to us.
Also for next season, if we dont go to mad with the money this season, we will have a large trading surplus with will then in turn increase our ability to pay higher wages, up to £70 odd million, depending on how we do.
Anyway, we all want the best for the Saints, bring on the Scousers and smash em on day one!
COYS
Who said that? Sorry, head in the sand.

Question is, how could you see that I had my head in the sand when you have yours in the sand suggesting the club has had some sort of master plan this summer.

I've heard a lot of excuses coming from the club over the past four months, but not once have Les or Ralph mentioned financial fair play in their defence. Debt that needs to be cleared, yes, but not compliance with wage quotas.

Surely, as this is such an obvious and frankly acceptable, sensible excuse that could have gained them a lot of sympathy you'd have thought they'd have used it, heavily, to justify what they are doing.
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this "One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture." Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!. STID[/p][/quote]I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it. And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out. I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?[/p][/quote]Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are.[/p][/quote]Sounds like a couple of Ostridges with their heads buried in the sand, FFP is now here and a fact of life whether you like it or not, sure you can invest as much(or as little) as you like, but the truth of the matter is if your wages were X at the start of season 2009/2010 or Y on 2010/2013 or Z on 2013/2014 it can only increase by £4million per year, the bigger teams get around it by bigger match day/commercial revenue and what their wages were at the start of FFP. You can check the details out here http://www.financial fairplay.co.uk/ This may be why Saints have taken on Ralph Krueger to try and expand in to the USA market which in time will expand our commercial revenue and in turn will give us an advantage over teams who are at the moment similar in size to us. Also for next season, if we dont go to mad with the money this season, we will have a large trading surplus with will then in turn increase our ability to pay higher wages, up to £70 odd million, depending on how we do. Anyway, we all want the best for the Saints, bring on the Scousers and smash em on day one! COYS[/p][/quote]Who said that? Sorry, head in the sand. Question is, how could you see that I had my head in the sand when you have yours in the sand suggesting the club has had some sort of master plan this summer. I've heard a lot of excuses coming from the club over the past four months, but not once have Les or Ralph mentioned financial fair play in their defence. Debt that needs to be cleared, yes, but not compliance with wage quotas. Surely, as this is such an obvious and frankly acceptable, sensible excuse that could have gained them a lot of sympathy you'd have thought they'd have used it, heavily, to justify what they are doing. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

5:23pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ...

Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ...

Who can remember these chants at Brighton away ....

Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker

we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you ..

And ridiculing LIELANA .....

Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL.

Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin.

COYR +WS
Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions.

We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ... Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ... Who can remember these chants at Brighton away .... Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you .. And ridiculing LIELANA ..... Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL. Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin. COYR +WS[/p][/quote]Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions. We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 2

5:24pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ...

Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ...

Who can remember these chants at Brighton away ....

Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker

we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you ..

And ridiculing LIELANA .....

Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL.

Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin.

COYR +WS
It's OK. I was worried that my seven year old son might be turned off saints by recent events, but I'm now going to go home to him and explain the financial fair play regulations and player salary caps. I'm sure his face will light up.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ... Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ... Who can remember these chants at Brighton away .... Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you .. And ridiculing LIELANA ..... Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL. Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin. COYR +WS[/p][/quote]It's OK. I was worried that my seven year old son might be turned off saints by recent events, but I'm now going to go home to him and explain the financial fair play regulations and player salary caps. I'm sure his face will light up. SaintJD
  • Score: 5

5:24pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

SaintJD wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo






gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this

"One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture."

Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!.

STID
I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it.

And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out.

I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?
Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are.
Sounds like a couple of Ostridges with their heads buried in the sand, FFP is now here and a fact of life whether you like it or not, sure you can invest as much(or as little) as you like, but the truth of the matter is if your wages were X at the start of season 2009/2010 or Y on 2010/2013 or Z on 2013/2014 it can only increase by £4million per year, the bigger teams get around it by bigger match day/commercial revenue and what their wages were at the start of FFP.
You can check the details out here http://www.financial


fairplay.co.uk/
This may be why Saints have taken on Ralph Krueger to try and expand in to the USA market which in time will expand our commercial revenue and in turn will give us an advantage over teams who are at the moment similar in size to us.
Also for next season, if we dont go to mad with the money this season, we will have a large trading surplus with will then in turn increase our ability to pay higher wages, up to £70 odd million, depending on how we do.
Anyway, we all want the best for the Saints, bring on the Scousers and smash em on day one!
COYS
Who said that? Sorry, head in the sand.

Question is, how could you see that I had my head in the sand when you have yours in the sand suggesting the club has had some sort of master plan this summer.

I've heard a lot of excuses coming from the club over the past four months, but not once have Les or Ralph mentioned financial fair play in their defence. Debt that needs to be cleared, yes, but not compliance with wage quotas.

Surely, as this is such an obvious and frankly acceptable, sensible excuse that could have gained them a lot of sympathy you'd have thought they'd have used it, heavily, to justify what they are doing.
Back of the net! :0)
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this "One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture." Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!. STID[/p][/quote]I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it. And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out. I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?[/p][/quote]Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are.[/p][/quote]Sounds like a couple of Ostridges with their heads buried in the sand, FFP is now here and a fact of life whether you like it or not, sure you can invest as much(or as little) as you like, but the truth of the matter is if your wages were X at the start of season 2009/2010 or Y on 2010/2013 or Z on 2013/2014 it can only increase by £4million per year, the bigger teams get around it by bigger match day/commercial revenue and what their wages were at the start of FFP. You can check the details out here http://www.financial fairplay.co.uk/ This may be why Saints have taken on Ralph Krueger to try and expand in to the USA market which in time will expand our commercial revenue and in turn will give us an advantage over teams who are at the moment similar in size to us. Also for next season, if we dont go to mad with the money this season, we will have a large trading surplus with will then in turn increase our ability to pay higher wages, up to £70 odd million, depending on how we do. Anyway, we all want the best for the Saints, bring on the Scousers and smash em on day one! COYS[/p][/quote]Who said that? Sorry, head in the sand. Question is, how could you see that I had my head in the sand when you have yours in the sand suggesting the club has had some sort of master plan this summer. I've heard a lot of excuses coming from the club over the past four months, but not once have Les or Ralph mentioned financial fair play in their defence. Debt that needs to be cleared, yes, but not compliance with wage quotas. Surely, as this is such an obvious and frankly acceptable, sensible excuse that could have gained them a lot of sympathy you'd have thought they'd have used it, heavily, to justify what they are doing.[/p][/quote]Back of the net! :0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -1

5:25pm Tue 5 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ...

Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ...

Who can remember these chants at Brighton away ....

Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker

we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you ..

And ridiculing LIELANA .....

Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL.

Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin.

COYR +WS
Did the Brighton fans sing in support of their team or did they just slag the opposition like so many mindless footy fans, how often have I sat infront of some nut slagging every pass a saints player makes or hollering anti Pompey songs all game.

Support your team you might just find it productive.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ... Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ... Who can remember these chants at Brighton away .... Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you .. And ridiculing LIELANA ..... Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL. Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin. COYR +WS[/p][/quote]Did the Brighton fans sing in support of their team or did they just slag the opposition like so many mindless footy fans, how often have I sat infront of some nut slagging every pass a saints player makes or hollering anti Pompey songs all game. Support your team you might just find it productive. fascia123
  • Score: 3

5:25pm Tue 5 Aug 14

one in the crowd says...

Have any mysterious new signings ( even loans would be acceptable ) come on board today. May I remind you, the first match of the new season for Saints is Sunday 17th August, it's not looking good.
Have any mysterious new signings ( even loans would be acceptable ) come on board today. May I remind you, the first match of the new season for Saints is Sunday 17th August, it's not looking good. one in the crowd
  • Score: -2

5:27pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

one in the crowd wrote:
Have any mysterious new signings ( even loans would be acceptable ) come on board today. May I remind you, the first match of the new season for Saints is Sunday 17th August, it's not looking good.
Not for you..no.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: Have any mysterious new signings ( even loans would be acceptable ) come on board today. May I remind you, the first match of the new season for Saints is Sunday 17th August, it's not looking good.[/p][/quote]Not for you..no. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

5:29pm Tue 5 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

Confucious wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?
Good call - change the subject!

I'm off to the Hilton Cavalieri Hotel in glorious Rome for a week - I hope.

The manager and five of his key people have all just p!ssed off to join the Marriott Group for bigger bucks and things are a bit chaotic at the Hilton now from what I hear.

Still - it'll be nice to get away for a spell and forget about all this Saints stuff.
Do not worry Conf, all savings on wages will be poured back into new staff.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?[/p][/quote]Good call - change the subject! I'm off to the Hilton Cavalieri Hotel in glorious Rome for a week - I hope. The manager and five of his key people have all just p!ssed off to join the Marriott Group for bigger bucks and things are a bit chaotic at the Hilton now from what I hear. Still - it'll be nice to get away for a spell and forget about all this Saints stuff.[/p][/quote]Do not worry Conf, all savings on wages will be poured back into new staff. warrens 76
  • Score: -1

5:31pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ...

Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ...

Who can remember these chants at Brighton away ....

Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker

we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you ..

And ridiculing LIELANA .....

Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL.

Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin.

COYR +WS
Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions.

We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.
Passion certainly isn't calling your fellow fans juvenile and stupid either.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ... Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ... Who can remember these chants at Brighton away .... Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you .. And ridiculing LIELANA ..... Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL. Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin. COYR +WS[/p][/quote]Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions. We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.[/p][/quote]Passion certainly isn't calling your fellow fans juvenile and stupid either. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

5:33pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

SaintJD wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ...

Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ...

Who can remember these chants at Brighton away ....

Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker

we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you ..

And ridiculing LIELANA .....

Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL.

Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin.

COYR +WS
Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions.

We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.
Passion certainly isn't calling your fellow fans juvenile and stupid either.
Agreed, ad fair pot, but I kind of referred to myself by saying I do it too.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ... Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ... Who can remember these chants at Brighton away .... Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you .. And ridiculing LIELANA ..... Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL. Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin. COYR +WS[/p][/quote]Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions. We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.[/p][/quote]Passion certainly isn't calling your fellow fans juvenile and stupid either.[/p][/quote]Agreed, ad fair pot, but I kind of referred to myself by saying I do it too. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: -2

5:34pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ...

Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ...

Who can remember these chants at Brighton away ....

Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker

we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you ..

And ridiculing LIELANA .....

Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL.

Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin.

COYR +WS
Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions.

We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.
Passion certainly isn't calling your fellow fans juvenile and stupid either.
Agreed, ad fair pot, but I kind of referred to myself by saying I do it too.
Oh jeez, typing on here is a nightmare
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ... Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ... Who can remember these chants at Brighton away .... Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you .. And ridiculing LIELANA ..... Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL. Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin. COYR +WS[/p][/quote]Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions. We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.[/p][/quote]Passion certainly isn't calling your fellow fans juvenile and stupid either.[/p][/quote]Agreed, ad fair pot, but I kind of referred to myself by saying I do it too.[/p][/quote]Oh jeez, typing on here is a nightmare Frankie Bennett
  • Score: -3

5:34pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ...

Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ...

Who can remember these chants at Brighton away ....

Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker

we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you ..

And ridiculing LIELANA .....

Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL.

Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin.

COYR +WS
Did the Brighton fans sing in support of their team or did they just slag the opposition like so many mindless footy fans, how often have I sat infront of some nut slagging every pass a saints player makes or hollering anti Pompey songs all game.

Support your team you might just find it productive.
I could be wrong and this is only a guess, but I have a hunch that Rise does actually support the team vocally more than the majority of people on here. Let's not get into a who's the best supporter competition, it's embarrassing.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ... Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ... Who can remember these chants at Brighton away .... Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you .. And ridiculing LIELANA ..... Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL. Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin. COYR +WS[/p][/quote]Did the Brighton fans sing in support of their team or did they just slag the opposition like so many mindless footy fans, how often have I sat infront of some nut slagging every pass a saints player makes or hollering anti Pompey songs all game. Support your team you might just find it productive.[/p][/quote]I could be wrong and this is only a guess, but I have a hunch that Rise does actually support the team vocally more than the majority of people on here. Let's not get into a who's the best supporter competition, it's embarrassing. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

5:39pm Tue 5 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ...

Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ...

Who can remember these chants at Brighton away ....

Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker

we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you ..

And ridiculing LIELANA .....

Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL.

Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin.

COYR +WS
Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions.

We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.
It's all got a bit Open University on this forum ...

2,000 words on the following discuss .. LOL

Yeah - bit like the Cup games - a few lads were getting it going and some of the chants were about ex players ...

I applaud the 800 + that travelled away - got behind the Manager and latest Team and TOGETHER AS ONE - we came way with the WIN to a local ambitious local rival.

It was a GOOD NIGHT OUT and SAINTS supporters were on form in the crowd - with lots of banter and a few beers

If you did not go - You missed out . COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ... Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ... Who can remember these chants at Brighton away .... Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you .. And ridiculing LIELANA ..... Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL. Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin. COYR +WS[/p][/quote]Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions. We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.[/p][/quote]It's all got a bit Open University on this forum ... 2,000 words on the following discuss .. LOL Yeah - bit like the Cup games - a few lads were getting it going and some of the chants were about ex players ... I applaud the 800 + that travelled away - got behind the Manager and latest Team and TOGETHER AS ONE - we came way with the WIN to a local ambitious local rival. It was a GOOD NIGHT OUT and SAINTS supporters were on form in the crowd - with lots of banter and a few beers If you did not go - You missed out . COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 2

5:44pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Malcombe says...

The Deceitful Liar is so good at turning Players into world class how come he can't convert the Player he's offering into a Morgan? he did it with Morgan, personally on principle I wouldn't allow the Liar to buy any Player full stop and hopefully it's stipulated in the resign documents, if the Club helped The Liar it would be a sign of weakness and the Club can do without any more abuse after the battering the Board has had these past few weeks, The Deceitful Liar is unscrupulous and has no respect to the Club that paid his Salary for 18 months, goodness me there's no limit to what this man will do to satisfy his ego and hatred to this Liar is now creeping in and I never ever thought I be admitting this.
The Deceitful Liar is so good at turning Players into world class how come he can't convert the Player he's offering into a Morgan? he did it with Morgan, personally on principle I wouldn't allow the Liar to buy any Player full stop and hopefully it's stipulated in the resign documents, if the Club helped The Liar it would be a sign of weakness and the Club can do without any more abuse after the battering the Board has had these past few weeks, The Deceitful Liar is unscrupulous and has no respect to the Club that paid his Salary for 18 months, goodness me there's no limit to what this man will do to satisfy his ego and hatred to this Liar is now creeping in and I never ever thought I be admitting this. Malcombe
  • Score: 7

5:45pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ...

Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ...

Who can remember these chants at Brighton away ....

Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker

we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you ..

And ridiculing LIELANA .....

Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL.

Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin.

COYR +WS
Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions.

We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.
It's all got a bit Open University on this forum ...

2,000 words on the following discuss .. LOL

Yeah - bit like the Cup games - a few lads were getting it going and some of the chants were about ex players ...

I applaud the 800 + that travelled away - got behind the Manager and latest Team and TOGETHER AS ONE - we came way with the WIN to a local ambitious local rival.

It was a GOOD NIGHT OUT and SAINTS supporters were on form in the crowd - with lots of banter and a few beers

If you did not go - You missed out . COYR+WS
Interesting, I also enjoyed the night very much, but did not take part in the singing against ex-players - turning up to pre-season friendlies away shows part of my passion, but it is no greater or less than anybody elses, nor would I want to pretend it was. Brighton are not a local rival in my opinion, but I liked the way their fans conducted themselves on their forums by refusing to slag us off when they're local rag wrote an inflammatory story about laughing at Saints fans. That showed class, something I think we lack at times.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ... Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ... Who can remember these chants at Brighton away .... Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you .. And ridiculing LIELANA ..... Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL. Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin. COYR +WS[/p][/quote]Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions. We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.[/p][/quote]It's all got a bit Open University on this forum ... 2,000 words on the following discuss .. LOL Yeah - bit like the Cup games - a few lads were getting it going and some of the chants were about ex players ... I applaud the 800 + that travelled away - got behind the Manager and latest Team and TOGETHER AS ONE - we came way with the WIN to a local ambitious local rival. It was a GOOD NIGHT OUT and SAINTS supporters were on form in the crowd - with lots of banter and a few beers If you did not go - You missed out . COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Interesting, I also enjoyed the night very much, but did not take part in the singing against ex-players - turning up to pre-season friendlies away shows part of my passion, but it is no greater or less than anybody elses, nor would I want to pretend it was. Brighton are not a local rival in my opinion, but I liked the way their fans conducted themselves on their forums by refusing to slag us off when they're local rag wrote an inflammatory story about laughing at Saints fans. That showed class, something I think we lack at times. Frankie Bennett
  • Score: 0

5:55pm Tue 5 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

SaintJD wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ...

Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ...

Who can remember these chants at Brighton away ....

Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker

we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you ..

And ridiculing LIELANA .....

Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL.

Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin.

COYR +WS
Did the Brighton fans sing in support of their team or did they just slag the opposition like so many mindless footy fans, how often have I sat infront of some nut slagging every pass a saints player makes or hollering anti Pompey songs all game.

Support your team you might just find it productive.
I could be wrong and this is only a guess, but I have a hunch that Rise does actually support the team vocally more than the majority of people on here. Let's not get into a who's the best supporter competition, it's embarrassing.
Didn't say anything about who's best supporter, that if anything more comes across in your last post, I purely made the point that it would be more productive to get behind the players, manager and team in preference to slagging your own players off and chanting rubbish about the opposition the whole game.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ... Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ... Who can remember these chants at Brighton away .... Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you .. And ridiculing LIELANA ..... Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL. Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin. COYR +WS[/p][/quote]Did the Brighton fans sing in support of their team or did they just slag the opposition like so many mindless footy fans, how often have I sat infront of some nut slagging every pass a saints player makes or hollering anti Pompey songs all game. Support your team you might just find it productive.[/p][/quote]I could be wrong and this is only a guess, but I have a hunch that Rise does actually support the team vocally more than the majority of people on here. Let's not get into a who's the best supporter competition, it's embarrassing.[/p][/quote]Didn't say anything about who's best supporter, that if anything more comes across in your last post, I purely made the point that it would be more productive to get behind the players, manager and team in preference to slagging your own players off and chanting rubbish about the opposition the whole game. fascia123
  • Score: 0

5:57pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Benali76 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
SnapperSaint wrote:
nomorerumours wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo




gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Thanks for this Costa Baz. This is a superb read and really puts things into perspective. It is good to know that he is a Saints fan and will continue to make these sort of blogs in future. The DE should copy these blog on here. It was even missed under the Southampton "News Now" site. Anyway, it is essential reading for all Saints fans and, hopefully, it will reduce the amount of unjustified and misdirected criticism the club has endured in the last few weeks.
I don't think the criticism was unjustified, the club have been saying precious little to give any fans the reassurances they craved, so in that vacuum the press has fuelled the fans interest and the criticism has resulted.
It has taken some of the more thoughtful posters, and Costa's blogger, to provide a little of the reasoning behind what actually might be happening at the club. So I don't blame the posters, not even the more outspoken ones, I think this board needs at some point soon to provide a more detailed explanation of why we are where we are or risk fulfilling Seed's assertion that they don't know what they are doing.
Queue the chant normally levelled at referees, '...you don't know what you're doing...' could be what we sing at the first home match directed towards those in the chairman's box!
Good shout Snapper,if the explanation is so simple,and is beyond the boards control,the only thing I would say,is why can't they just come out and say that is the reason for what is going on,instead of saying one thing and doing the opposite,and being "economical" with the truth all the time.
All that does is increase speculation that it is all being done with the sale of the club in mind,otherwise,why the silence?
I don't know of course but I will have a stab. What if they were totally honest from the off - told us all we cannot keep these players because we can't up their wages. What is that telling the potential suitors? It's immediately knocking a few million off the prices. Better to lie, and frustrate the fans for a while, but bag big transfer fees - which we definitely have. It's a game of poker and you never want your opposition knowing what cards you hold. That doesn't explain why we have been so slow to recruit but I am falling back on blind faith for that and hoping this week is a good week.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SnapperSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Thanks for this Costa Baz. This is a superb read and really puts things into perspective. It is good to know that he is a Saints fan and will continue to make these sort of blogs in future. The DE should copy these blog on here. It was even missed under the Southampton "News Now" site. Anyway, it is essential reading for all Saints fans and, hopefully, it will reduce the amount of unjustified and misdirected criticism the club has endured in the last few weeks.[/p][/quote]I don't think the criticism was unjustified, the club have been saying precious little to give any fans the reassurances they craved, so in that vacuum the press has fuelled the fans interest and the criticism has resulted. It has taken some of the more thoughtful posters, and Costa's blogger, to provide a little of the reasoning behind what actually might be happening at the club. So I don't blame the posters, not even the more outspoken ones, I think this board needs at some point soon to provide a more detailed explanation of why we are where we are or risk fulfilling Seed's assertion that they don't know what they are doing. Queue the chant normally levelled at referees, '...you don't know what you're doing...' could be what we sing at the first home match directed towards those in the chairman's box![/p][/quote]Good shout Snapper,if the explanation is so simple,and is beyond the boards control,the only thing I would say,is why can't they just come out and say that is the reason for what is going on,instead of saying one thing and doing the opposite,and being "economical" with the truth all the time. All that does is increase speculation that it is all being done with the sale of the club in mind,otherwise,why the silence?[/p][/quote]I don't know of course but I will have a stab. What if they were totally honest from the off - told us all we cannot keep these players because we can't up their wages. What is that telling the potential suitors? It's immediately knocking a few million off the prices. Better to lie, and frustrate the fans for a while, but bag big transfer fees - which we definitely have. It's a game of poker and you never want your opposition knowing what cards you hold. That doesn't explain why we have been so slow to recruit but I am falling back on blind faith for that and hoping this week is a good week. Benali76
  • Score: 0

6:12pm Tue 5 Aug 14

lastminmoran says...

PAGE 50 OF THE MIRROR TODAY,ONE AND ONLY GEORGIOS SAMARAS,FORMER CELTIC AND GREEK STAR WANTED BY SAINTS? I LOVE THE BLOKE....CHECK OUT YOUTUBE..NICE GUY AS WELL..HE WOULD BE GREAT FOR PUBLIC RELATIONS.WHAT ABOUT STOKE'S GEOFF CAMERON..HE'S A VERY DECENT PLAYER AND WORTH A BID OR THREE.
PAGE 50 OF THE MIRROR TODAY,ONE AND ONLY GEORGIOS SAMARAS,FORMER CELTIC AND GREEK STAR WANTED BY SAINTS? I LOVE THE BLOKE....CHECK OUT YOUTUBE..NICE GUY AS WELL..HE WOULD BE GREAT FOR PUBLIC RELATIONS.WHAT ABOUT STOKE'S GEOFF CAMERON..HE'S A VERY DECENT PLAYER AND WORTH A BID OR THREE. lastminmoran
  • Score: -2

6:14pm Tue 5 Aug 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ...

Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ...

Who can remember these chants at Brighton away ....

Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker

we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you ..

And ridiculing LIELANA .....

Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL.

Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin.

COYR +WS
Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions.

We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.
It's all got a bit Open University on this forum ...

2,000 words on the following discuss .. LOL

Yeah - bit like the Cup games - a few lads were getting it going and some of the chants were about ex players ...

I applaud the 800 + that travelled away - got behind the Manager and latest Team and TOGETHER AS ONE - we came way with the WIN to a local ambitious local rival.

It was a GOOD NIGHT OUT and SAINTS supporters were on form in the crowd - with lots of banter and a few beers

If you did not go - You missed out . COYR+WS
Interesting, I also enjoyed the night very much, but did not take part in the singing against ex-players - turning up to pre-season friendlies away shows part of my passion, but it is no greater or less than anybody elses, nor would I want to pretend it was. Brighton are not a local rival in my opinion, but I liked the way their fans conducted themselves on their forums by refusing to slag us off when they're local rag wrote an inflammatory story about laughing at Saints fans. That showed class, something I think we lack at times.
LOL - yeah they were real CLASS that Brighton crowd - no-one could hear them all night.

COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ... Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ... Who can remember these chants at Brighton away .... Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you .. And ridiculing LIELANA ..... Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL. Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin. COYR +WS[/p][/quote]Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions. We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.[/p][/quote]It's all got a bit Open University on this forum ... 2,000 words on the following discuss .. LOL Yeah - bit like the Cup games - a few lads were getting it going and some of the chants were about ex players ... I applaud the 800 + that travelled away - got behind the Manager and latest Team and TOGETHER AS ONE - we came way with the WIN to a local ambitious local rival. It was a GOOD NIGHT OUT and SAINTS supporters were on form in the crowd - with lots of banter and a few beers If you did not go - You missed out . COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Interesting, I also enjoyed the night very much, but did not take part in the singing against ex-players - turning up to pre-season friendlies away shows part of my passion, but it is no greater or less than anybody elses, nor would I want to pretend it was. Brighton are not a local rival in my opinion, but I liked the way their fans conducted themselves on their forums by refusing to slag us off when they're local rag wrote an inflammatory story about laughing at Saints fans. That showed class, something I think we lack at times.[/p][/quote]LOL - yeah they were real CLASS that Brighton crowd - no-one could hear them all night. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 2

6:33pm Tue 5 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

SaintJD wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo






gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this

"One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture."

Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!.

STID
I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it.

And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out.

I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?
Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are.
Sounds like a couple of Ostridges with their heads buried in the sand, FFP is now here and a fact of life whether you like it or not, sure you can invest as much(or as little) as you like, but the truth of the matter is if your wages were X at the start of season 2009/2010 or Y on 2010/2013 or Z on 2013/2014 it can only increase by £4million per year, the bigger teams get around it by bigger match day/commercial revenue and what their wages were at the start of FFP.
You can check the details out here http://www.financial


fairplay.co.uk/
This may be why Saints have taken on Ralph Krueger to try and expand in to the USA market which in time will expand our commercial revenue and in turn will give us an advantage over teams who are at the moment similar in size to us.
Also for next season, if we dont go to mad with the money this season, we will have a large trading surplus with will then in turn increase our ability to pay higher wages, up to £70 odd million, depending on how we do.
Anyway, we all want the best for the Saints, bring on the Scousers and smash em on day one!
COYS
Who said that? Sorry, head in the sand.

Question is, how could you see that I had my head in the sand when you have yours in the sand suggesting the club has had some sort of master plan this summer.

I've heard a lot of excuses coming from the club over the past four months, but not once have Les or Ralph mentioned financial fair play in their defence. Debt that needs to be cleared, yes, but not compliance with wage quotas.

Surely, as this is such an obvious and frankly acceptable, sensible excuse that could have gained them a lot of sympathy you'd have thought they'd have used it, heavily, to justify what they are doing.
Very astute, very worrying, it would take a lot off heat of them and bring us a lot of sympathy instead of scorn, so it is not their reason and they were not sharp enough (what a suprise) to use it.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this "One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture." Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!. STID[/p][/quote]I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it. And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out. I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?[/p][/quote]Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are.[/p][/quote]Sounds like a couple of Ostridges with their heads buried in the sand, FFP is now here and a fact of life whether you like it or not, sure you can invest as much(or as little) as you like, but the truth of the matter is if your wages were X at the start of season 2009/2010 or Y on 2010/2013 or Z on 2013/2014 it can only increase by £4million per year, the bigger teams get around it by bigger match day/commercial revenue and what their wages were at the start of FFP. You can check the details out here http://www.financial fairplay.co.uk/ This may be why Saints have taken on Ralph Krueger to try and expand in to the USA market which in time will expand our commercial revenue and in turn will give us an advantage over teams who are at the moment similar in size to us. Also for next season, if we dont go to mad with the money this season, we will have a large trading surplus with will then in turn increase our ability to pay higher wages, up to £70 odd million, depending on how we do. Anyway, we all want the best for the Saints, bring on the Scousers and smash em on day one! COYS[/p][/quote]Who said that? Sorry, head in the sand. Question is, how could you see that I had my head in the sand when you have yours in the sand suggesting the club has had some sort of master plan this summer. I've heard a lot of excuses coming from the club over the past four months, but not once have Les or Ralph mentioned financial fair play in their defence. Debt that needs to be cleared, yes, but not compliance with wage quotas. Surely, as this is such an obvious and frankly acceptable, sensible excuse that could have gained them a lot of sympathy you'd have thought they'd have used it, heavily, to justify what they are doing.[/p][/quote]Very astute, very worrying, it would take a lot off heat of them and bring us a lot of sympathy instead of scorn, so it is not their reason and they were not sharp enough (what a suprise) to use it. warrens 76
  • Score: 0

6:41pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Saintsayer II says...

I am fed up with being told lies about transfer out AND transfers in
I am fed up with being told lies about transfer out AND transfers in Saintsayer II
  • Score: 3

6:56pm Tue 5 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ...

Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ...

Who can remember these chants at Brighton away ....

Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker

we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you ..

And ridiculing LIELANA .....

Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL.

Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin.

COYR +WS
Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions.

We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.
It's all got a bit Open University on this forum ...

2,000 words on the following discuss .. LOL

Yeah - bit like the Cup games - a few lads were getting it going and some of the chants were about ex players ...

I applaud the 800 + that travelled away - got behind the Manager and latest Team and TOGETHER AS ONE - we came way with the WIN to a local ambitious local rival.

It was a GOOD NIGHT OUT and SAINTS supporters were on form in the crowd - with lots of banter and a few beers

If you did not go - You missed out . COYR+WS
Interesting, I also enjoyed the night very much, but did not take part in the singing against ex-players - turning up to pre-season friendlies away shows part of my passion, but it is no greater or less than anybody elses, nor would I want to pretend it was. Brighton are not a local rival in my opinion, but I liked the way their fans conducted themselves on their forums by refusing to slag us off when they're local rag wrote an inflammatory story about laughing at Saints fans. That showed class, something I think we lack at times.
LOL - yeah they were real CLASS that Brighton crowd - no-one could hear them all night.

COYR+WS
Boom !!....Back of the net!!!
Don't "Rise" to these lightweights they're not worth it.
We all know how passionate you are about Saints and most of us haven't got a problem with your posts or obvious love for our club and city.
If others who constantly pick holes in your posts or for telling it as it happens from the terraces don;t seem to have a ounce of your passion or seem prepared to let people voice there own freedom of speech or opinions without whinging about it.
Don't let the sterile few wear you down.
COYR FOADP
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ... Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ... Who can remember these chants at Brighton away .... Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you .. And ridiculing LIELANA ..... Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL. Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin. COYR +WS[/p][/quote]Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions. We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.[/p][/quote]It's all got a bit Open University on this forum ... 2,000 words on the following discuss .. LOL Yeah - bit like the Cup games - a few lads were getting it going and some of the chants were about ex players ... I applaud the 800 + that travelled away - got behind the Manager and latest Team and TOGETHER AS ONE - we came way with the WIN to a local ambitious local rival. It was a GOOD NIGHT OUT and SAINTS supporters were on form in the crowd - with lots of banter and a few beers If you did not go - You missed out . COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Interesting, I also enjoyed the night very much, but did not take part in the singing against ex-players - turning up to pre-season friendlies away shows part of my passion, but it is no greater or less than anybody elses, nor would I want to pretend it was. Brighton are not a local rival in my opinion, but I liked the way their fans conducted themselves on their forums by refusing to slag us off when they're local rag wrote an inflammatory story about laughing at Saints fans. That showed class, something I think we lack at times.[/p][/quote]LOL - yeah they were real CLASS that Brighton crowd - no-one could hear them all night. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Boom !!....Back of the net!!! Don't "Rise" to these lightweights they're not worth it. We all know how passionate you are about Saints and most of us haven't got a problem with your posts or obvious love for our club and city. If others who constantly pick holes in your posts or for telling it as it happens from the terraces don;t seem to have a ounce of your passion or seem prepared to let people voice there own freedom of speech or opinions without whinging about it. Don't let the sterile few wear you down. COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 1

7:11pm Tue 5 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Be careful or chief inspector "nomorerumours" of the PC Police Squad will be on here threatening to report you for existing and having a personality different to him or her.
COYR FOADP
Be careful or chief inspector "nomorerumours" of the PC Police Squad will be on here threatening to report you for existing and having a personality different to him or her. COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

7:13pm Tue 5 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Be careful or chief inspector "nomorerumours" of the PC Police Squad will be on here threatening to report you for existing and having a personality different to him or her.
COYR FOADP
Actually replace report you for "Grass you up"
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Be careful or chief inspector "nomorerumours" of the PC Police Squad will be on here threatening to report you for existing and having a personality different to him or her. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]Actually replace report you for "Grass you up" J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

7:22pm Tue 5 Aug 14

thinklikealocal says...

Confucious wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?
Good call - change the subject!

I'm off to the Hilton Cavalieri Hotel in glorious Rome for a week - I hope.

The manager and five of his key people have all just p!ssed off to join the Marriott Group for bigger bucks and things are a bit chaotic at the Hilton now from what I hear.

Still - it'll be nice to get away for a spell and forget about all this Saints stuff.
I'm off to glorious Italy too :)
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?[/p][/quote]Good call - change the subject! I'm off to the Hilton Cavalieri Hotel in glorious Rome for a week - I hope. The manager and five of his key people have all just p!ssed off to join the Marriott Group for bigger bucks and things are a bit chaotic at the Hilton now from what I hear. Still - it'll be nice to get away for a spell and forget about all this Saints stuff.[/p][/quote]I'm off to glorious Italy too :) thinklikealocal
  • Score: -3

8:15pm Tue 5 Aug 14

thinklikealocal says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Be careful or chief inspector "nomorerumours" of the PC Police Squad will be on here threatening to report you for existing and having a personality different to him or her.
COYR FOADP
Objecting to foul language and profanity is not PC. PC is a bit like Elf and Safety, often misquoted. It's not PC, it's common decency. When it comes to not respecting our differences heal thyself doctor.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Be careful or chief inspector "nomorerumours" of the PC Police Squad will be on here threatening to report you for existing and having a personality different to him or her. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]Objecting to foul language and profanity is not PC. PC is a bit like Elf and Safety, often misquoted. It's not PC, it's common decency. When it comes to not respecting our differences heal thyself doctor. thinklikealocal
  • Score: 0

8:21pm Tue 5 Aug 14

thinklikealocal says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ...

Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ...

Who can remember these chants at Brighton away ....

Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker

we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you ..

And ridiculing LIELANA .....

Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL.

Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin.

COYR +WS
Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions.

We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.
It's all got a bit Open University on this forum ...

2,000 words on the following discuss .. LOL

Yeah - bit like the Cup games - a few lads were getting it going and some of the chants were about ex players ...

I applaud the 800 + that travelled away - got behind the Manager and latest Team and TOGETHER AS ONE - we came way with the WIN to a local ambitious local rival.

It was a GOOD NIGHT OUT and SAINTS supporters were on form in the crowd - with lots of banter and a few beers

If you did not go - You missed out . COYR+WS
Interesting, I also enjoyed the night very much, but did not take part in the singing against ex-players - turning up to pre-season friendlies away shows part of my passion, but it is no greater or less than anybody elses, nor would I want to pretend it was. Brighton are not a local rival in my opinion, but I liked the way their fans conducted themselves on their forums by refusing to slag us off when they're local rag wrote an inflammatory story about laughing at Saints fans. That showed class, something I think we lack at times.
Unfortunately you're in the wrong place if you're looking for class. I wish it was different. Not every contributor to this forum I hasten to add.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ... Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ... Who can remember these chants at Brighton away .... Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you .. And ridiculing LIELANA ..... Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL. Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin. COYR +WS[/p][/quote]Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions. We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.[/p][/quote]It's all got a bit Open University on this forum ... 2,000 words on the following discuss .. LOL Yeah - bit like the Cup games - a few lads were getting it going and some of the chants were about ex players ... I applaud the 800 + that travelled away - got behind the Manager and latest Team and TOGETHER AS ONE - we came way with the WIN to a local ambitious local rival. It was a GOOD NIGHT OUT and SAINTS supporters were on form in the crowd - with lots of banter and a few beers If you did not go - You missed out . COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Interesting, I also enjoyed the night very much, but did not take part in the singing against ex-players - turning up to pre-season friendlies away shows part of my passion, but it is no greater or less than anybody elses, nor would I want to pretend it was. Brighton are not a local rival in my opinion, but I liked the way their fans conducted themselves on their forums by refusing to slag us off when they're local rag wrote an inflammatory story about laughing at Saints fans. That showed class, something I think we lack at times.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately you're in the wrong place if you're looking for class. I wish it was different. Not every contributor to this forum I hasten to add. thinklikealocal
  • Score: -3

8:30pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ...

Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ...

Who can remember these chants at Brighton away ....

Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker

we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you ..

And ridiculing LIELANA .....

Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL.

Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin.

COYR +WS
Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions.

We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.
It's all got a bit Open University on this forum ...

2,000 words on the following discuss .. LOL

Yeah - bit like the Cup games - a few lads were getting it going and some of the chants were about ex players ...

I applaud the 800 + that travelled away - got behind the Manager and latest Team and TOGETHER AS ONE - we came way with the WIN to a local ambitious local rival.

It was a GOOD NIGHT OUT and SAINTS supporters were on form in the crowd - with lots of banter and a few beers

If you did not go - You missed out . COYR+WS
Interesting, I also enjoyed the night very much, but did not take part in the singing against ex-players - turning up to pre-season friendlies away shows part of my passion, but it is no greater or less than anybody elses, nor would I want to pretend it was. Brighton are not a local rival in my opinion, but I liked the way their fans conducted themselves on their forums by refusing to slag us off when they're local rag wrote an inflammatory story about laughing at Saints fans. That showed class, something I think we lack at times.
Unfortunately you're in the wrong place if you're looking for class. I wish it was different. Not every contributor to this forum I hasten to add.
@ thinklikealocal, what are your thoughts on transfers/lack of/loans etc?
I am trying to remain positive but it's wearing at times!
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ... Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ... Who can remember these chants at Brighton away .... Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you .. And ridiculing LIELANA ..... Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL. Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin. COYR +WS[/p][/quote]Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions. We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.[/p][/quote]It's all got a bit Open University on this forum ... 2,000 words on the following discuss .. LOL Yeah - bit like the Cup games - a few lads were getting it going and some of the chants were about ex players ... I applaud the 800 + that travelled away - got behind the Manager and latest Team and TOGETHER AS ONE - we came way with the WIN to a local ambitious local rival. It was a GOOD NIGHT OUT and SAINTS supporters were on form in the crowd - with lots of banter and a few beers If you did not go - You missed out . COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Interesting, I also enjoyed the night very much, but did not take part in the singing against ex-players - turning up to pre-season friendlies away shows part of my passion, but it is no greater or less than anybody elses, nor would I want to pretend it was. Brighton are not a local rival in my opinion, but I liked the way their fans conducted themselves on their forums by refusing to slag us off when they're local rag wrote an inflammatory story about laughing at Saints fans. That showed class, something I think we lack at times.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately you're in the wrong place if you're looking for class. I wish it was different. Not every contributor to this forum I hasten to add.[/p][/quote]@ thinklikealocal, what are your thoughts on transfers/lack of/loans etc? I am trying to remain positive but it's wearing at times! Frankie Bennett
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8:31pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

@ thinklikealocal, what are your thoughts on transfers/lack of/loans etc?
I am trying to remain positive but it's wearing at times!
@ thinklikealocal, what are your thoughts on transfers/lack of/loans etc? I am trying to remain positive but it's wearing at times! Frankie Bennett
  • Score: -1

8:31pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Confucious says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Confucious wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?
Good call - change the subject!

I'm off to the Hilton Cavalieri Hotel in glorious Rome for a week - I hope.

The manager and five of his key people have all just p!ssed off to join the Marriott Group for bigger bucks and things are a bit chaotic at the Hilton now from what I hear.

Still - it'll be nice to get away for a spell and forget about all this Saints stuff.
I'm off to glorious Italy too :)
Go to the catacombs in Rome and drop a silent one down in the tunnels.

I was with a mate some years ago and we were following a crowd of tourists along the tunnels. The guide turned down one dead end tunnel with a sarcophagus of interest at the end of it. We were at the back as the guide lectured about it.

My mate then dropped a right hum dinger. And then the whole crowd had to turn and troop back through the trapped pong - pulling faces etc etc.

I had to leave the site, helpless and weak with laughter.

At the right time and in the right place there is no witticism one tenth as funny as a f@rt.

Watch out for Osvaldo though.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: Is anyone getting away anywhere nice on holiday this summer?[/p][/quote]Good call - change the subject! I'm off to the Hilton Cavalieri Hotel in glorious Rome for a week - I hope. The manager and five of his key people have all just p!ssed off to join the Marriott Group for bigger bucks and things are a bit chaotic at the Hilton now from what I hear. Still - it'll be nice to get away for a spell and forget about all this Saints stuff.[/p][/quote]I'm off to glorious Italy too :)[/p][/quote]Go to the catacombs in Rome and drop a silent one down in the tunnels. I was with a mate some years ago and we were following a crowd of tourists along the tunnels. The guide turned down one dead end tunnel with a sarcophagus of interest at the end of it. We were at the back as the guide lectured about it. My mate then dropped a right hum dinger. And then the whole crowd had to turn and troop back through the trapped pong - pulling faces etc etc. I had to leave the site, helpless and weak with laughter. At the right time and in the right place there is no witticism one tenth as funny as a f@rt. Watch out for Osvaldo though. Confucious
  • Score: 0

8:41pm Tue 5 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

the `experts` on five live really know what they are talking about don't they!
apparently KL is ML`s wife! we brought spider from lille, NC is the mastermind behind our entire youth policy, we wont find players like luke and chambers again as `it goes in cycles`, oh and we were lucky with luke because he was a good player anyway and we did have a left back. so we didnt make him into the player he is and we never had fox or clyne who could play there!
my god they were awful it was like listening to the sammynobrains and gormlesssssss show presented by costa gaz!
the `experts` on five live really know what they are talking about don't they! apparently KL is ML`s wife! we brought spider from lille, NC is the mastermind behind our entire youth policy, we wont find players like luke and chambers again as `it goes in cycles`, oh and we were lucky with luke because he was a good player anyway and we did have a left back. so we didnt make him into the player he is and we never had fox or clyne who could play there! my god they were awful it was like listening to the sammynobrains and gormlesssssss show presented by costa gaz! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 4

8:50pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

OK, so why no link with Ben Arfa? Koe likes his wide men and, bar a not awesome workrate, he's class. And they want rid.
OK, so why no link with Ben Arfa? Koe likes his wide men and, bar a not awesome workrate, he's class. And they want rid. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

9:05pm Tue 5 Aug 14

midsomernortonsaint says...

Even Blackpool have signed a player today what a sorry state
Even Blackpool have signed a player today what a sorry state midsomernortonsaint
  • Score: -1

9:05pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

If it turns out really good the Neggies have to put their hands up and say they got it wrong and profuse apologies to the board. If it turns out really bad what do the Happy Clappers do?
If it turns out really good the Neggies have to put their hands up and say they got it wrong and profuse apologies to the board. If it turns out really bad what do the Happy Clappers do? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

9:06pm Tue 5 Aug 14

montyplum says...

If we haven't signed 3 or 4 players by Friday why don't we all sing
WHERES THE MONEY GONE....WHEEEERRREEE
SSSS THE MONEY GONE lol
If we haven't signed 3 or 4 players by Friday why don't we all sing WHERES THE MONEY GONE....WHEEEERRREEE SSSS THE MONEY GONE lol montyplum
  • Score: -1

9:08pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Frankie Bennett says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If it turns out really good the Neggies have to put their hands up and say they got it wrong and profuse apologies to the board. If it turns out really bad what do the Happy Clappers do?
Go to the games with our over-priced season tickets! :o)
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If it turns out really good the Neggies have to put their hands up and say they got it wrong and profuse apologies to the board. If it turns out really bad what do the Happy Clappers do?[/p][/quote]Go to the games with our over-priced season tickets! :o) Frankie Bennett
  • Score: -2

9:14pm Tue 5 Aug 14

miltonnroad76 says...

still waiting for the cb and striker we need................
........
still waiting for the cb and striker we need................ ........ miltonnroad76
  • Score: 0

9:27pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Tony in Liberia says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If it turns out really good the Neggies have to put their hands up and say they got it wrong and profuse apologies to the board. If it turns out really bad what do the Happy Clappers do?
Personally, I'll try to find new things to be happy about :-)

Although I'm not actually a happy clapper in the accepted sense of the word, as in blindly following the leader like a blind sheep; it's just that clapping really makes me happy :-)

Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If it turns out really good the Neggies have to put their hands up and say they got it wrong and profuse apologies to the board. If it turns out really bad what do the Happy Clappers do?[/p][/quote]Personally, I'll try to find new things to be happy about :-) Although I'm not actually a happy clapper in the accepted sense of the word, as in blindly following the leader like a blind sheep; it's just that clapping really makes me happy :-) Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap Tony in Liberia
  • Score: 2

9:35pm Tue 5 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Be careful or chief inspector "nomorerumours" of the PC Police Squad will be on here threatening to report you for existing and having a personality different to him or her.
COYR FOADP
Objecting to foul language and profanity is not PC. PC is a bit like Elf and Safety, often misquoted. It's not PC, it's common decency. When it comes to not respecting our differences heal thyself doctor.
There's me thinking PC was an abbreviation for Political Correctness.
So I decided to check it out and guess what Professor.......

Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a contentious term that today commonly refers to enforced language, ideas, or policies that address perceived discrimination against political, social or economical groups ("protected classes")...........
Oops!!

Hallelujah.....I'm healed.......Sssshhh
hh
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Be careful or chief inspector "nomorerumours" of the PC Police Squad will be on here threatening to report you for existing and having a personality different to him or her. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]Objecting to foul language and profanity is not PC. PC is a bit like Elf and Safety, often misquoted. It's not PC, it's common decency. When it comes to not respecting our differences heal thyself doctor.[/p][/quote]There's me thinking PC was an abbreviation for Political Correctness. So I decided to check it out and guess what Professor....... Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a contentious term that today commonly refers to enforced language, ideas, or policies that address perceived discrimination against political, social or economical groups ("protected classes")........... Oops!! Hallelujah.....I'm healed.......Sssshhh hh J7junctionseven
  • Score: 1

9:53pm Tue 5 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If it turns out really good the Neggies have to put their hands up and say they got it wrong and profuse apologies to the board. If it turns out really bad what do the Happy Clappers do?
Personally, I'll try to find new things to be happy about :-)

Although I'm not actually a happy clapper in the accepted sense of the word, as in blindly following the leader like a blind sheep; it's just that clapping really makes me happy :-)

Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap
I had the clap once but it didn't make me happy
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If it turns out really good the Neggies have to put their hands up and say they got it wrong and profuse apologies to the board. If it turns out really bad what do the Happy Clappers do?[/p][/quote]Personally, I'll try to find new things to be happy about :-) Although I'm not actually a happy clapper in the accepted sense of the word, as in blindly following the leader like a blind sheep; it's just that clapping really makes me happy :-) Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap[/p][/quote]I had the clap once but it didn't make me happy J7junctionseven
  • Score: 3

10:10pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Tony in Liberia wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If it turns out really good the Neggies have to put their hands up and say they got it wrong and profuse apologies to the board. If it turns out really bad what do the Happy Clappers do?
Personally, I'll try to find new things to be happy about :-)

Although I'm not actually a happy clapper in the accepted sense of the word, as in blindly following the leader like a blind sheep; it's just that clapping really makes me happy :-)

Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap
I had the clap once but it didn't make me happy
I introduced chlamydia to the UK in 1987. It's really caught on since.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If it turns out really good the Neggies have to put their hands up and say they got it wrong and profuse apologies to the board. If it turns out really bad what do the Happy Clappers do?[/p][/quote]Personally, I'll try to find new things to be happy about :-) Although I'm not actually a happy clapper in the accepted sense of the word, as in blindly following the leader like a blind sheep; it's just that clapping really makes me happy :-) Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap[/p][/quote]I had the clap once but it didn't make me happy[/p][/quote]I introduced chlamydia to the UK in 1987. It's really caught on since. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

10:13pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Stuart Pearce has just come out and said two of his players have been sold without his say so. Psycho will probably get the sack but I really admire the guys integrity.
Stuart Pearce has just come out and said two of his players have been sold without his say so. Psycho will probably get the sack but I really admire the guys integrity. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

10:15pm Tue 5 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If it turns out really good the Neggies have to put their hands up and say they got it wrong and profuse apologies to the board. If it turns out really bad what do the Happy Clappers do?
Personally, I'll try to find new things to be happy about :-)

Although I'm not actually a happy clapper in the accepted sense of the word, as in blindly following the leader like a blind sheep; it's just that clapping really makes me happy :-)

Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap
I bloody love a good happy clap. Seriously, it's my favourite thing. Whenever I'm in a club and quite pished and a tune comes on that I love then I hit that dance floor and do a great big skinny-limbed Bobby Gillespie-style dance with a whole heap of clapping. I'm genuinely amazing at it. I might go for one in a bit, actually.
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If it turns out really good the Neggies have to put their hands up and say they got it wrong and profuse apologies to the board. If it turns out really bad what do the Happy Clappers do?[/p][/quote]Personally, I'll try to find new things to be happy about :-) Although I'm not actually a happy clapper in the accepted sense of the word, as in blindly following the leader like a blind sheep; it's just that clapping really makes me happy :-) Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap[/p][/quote]I bloody love a good happy clap. Seriously, it's my favourite thing. Whenever I'm in a club and quite pished and a tune comes on that I love then I hit that dance floor and do a great big skinny-limbed Bobby Gillespie-style dance with a whole heap of clapping. I'm genuinely amazing at it. I might go for one in a bit, actually. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 3

10:17pm Tue 5 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Stuart Pearce has just come out and said two of his players have been sold without his say so. Psycho will probably get the sack but I really admire the guys integrity.
He's absolute gash as a manager though.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Stuart Pearce has just come out and said two of his players have been sold without his say so. Psycho will probably get the sack but I really admire the guys integrity.[/p][/quote]He's absolute gash as a manager though. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 1

10:18pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Tony in Liberia wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If it turns out really good the Neggies have to put their hands up and say they got it wrong and profuse apologies to the board. If it turns out really bad what do the Happy Clappers do?
Personally, I'll try to find new things to be happy about :-)

Although I'm not actually a happy clapper in the accepted sense of the word, as in blindly following the leader like a blind sheep; it's just that clapping really makes me happy :-)

Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap
I bloody love a good happy clap. Seriously, it's my favourite thing. Whenever I'm in a club and quite pished and a tune comes on that I love then I hit that dance floor and do a great big skinny-limbed Bobby Gillespie-style dance with a whole heap of clapping. I'm genuinely amazing at it. I might go for one in a bit, actually.
That's quality, must be doubly difficult whilst your head is stuck in the sand!
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If it turns out really good the Neggies have to put their hands up and say they got it wrong and profuse apologies to the board. If it turns out really bad what do the Happy Clappers do?[/p][/quote]Personally, I'll try to find new things to be happy about :-) Although I'm not actually a happy clapper in the accepted sense of the word, as in blindly following the leader like a blind sheep; it's just that clapping really makes me happy :-) Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap[/p][/quote]I bloody love a good happy clap. Seriously, it's my favourite thing. Whenever I'm in a club and quite pished and a tune comes on that I love then I hit that dance floor and do a great big skinny-limbed Bobby Gillespie-style dance with a whole heap of clapping. I'm genuinely amazing at it. I might go for one in a bit, actually.[/p][/quote]That's quality, must be doubly difficult whilst your head is stuck in the sand! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

10:21pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Oldfan says...

I will never support any player who does not want to play for our team because they feel they are now better than the club. We have lost players who have been are overrated due to a mid table performance in a mediocre Premier League. But where are they going? Liverpool have just seen where they are without Saurez. Spurs' and Arsenal's continual failings are beyond a joke. The only teams that matter are Chelsea, City and United and Saints can deal with the rest. If they have the desire to get players in with the funds they have then they will more than cope. We will luv it. What I do not see is youth coming to our salvation
I will never support any player who does not want to play for our team because they feel they are now better than the club. We have lost players who have been are overrated due to a mid table performance in a mediocre Premier League. But where are they going? Liverpool have just seen where they are without Saurez. Spurs' and Arsenal's continual failings are beyond a joke. The only teams that matter are Chelsea, City and United and Saints can deal with the rest. If they have the desire to get players in with the funds they have then they will more than cope. We will luv it. What I do not see is youth coming to our salvation Oldfan
  • Score: -1

10:22pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Stuart Pearce has just come out and said two of his players have been sold without his say so. Psycho will probably get the sack but I really admire the guys integrity.
He's absolute gash as a manager though.
Well, that's hard to tell if the team he was building got sold before he'd finished the project. Some managers would leave in those circumstances.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Stuart Pearce has just come out and said two of his players have been sold without his say so. Psycho will probably get the sack but I really admire the guys integrity.[/p][/quote]He's absolute gash as a manager though.[/p][/quote]Well, that's hard to tell if the team he was building got sold before he'd finished the project. Some managers would leave in those circumstances. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

10:22pm Tue 5 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Stuart Pearce has just come out and said two of his players have been sold without his say so. Psycho will probably get the sack but I really admire the guys integrity.
He's absolute gash as a manager though.
I hope we don't sign any of these players or replace RK with any of these coaches or they'll be some serious clap about
Ralf Minge (Germany)
Andre Muff (Switzerland)
Milan Fukal (Czech)
Uwe Fuchs (Germany)
Florian Dick (Germany)
Argel F@cks (Brazil)
Thomas Helmer (Germany)
Stefan Kuntz ( Germany)

Plus there would be a PC Police Squad meltdown if we got any of these and names on shirts wouldn't be very popular....:o)
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Stuart Pearce has just come out and said two of his players have been sold without his say so. Psycho will probably get the sack but I really admire the guys integrity.[/p][/quote]He's absolute gash as a manager though.[/p][/quote]I hope we don't sign any of these players or replace RK with any of these coaches or they'll be some serious clap about Ralf Minge (Germany) Andre Muff (Switzerland) Milan Fukal (Czech) Uwe Fuchs (Germany) Florian Dick (Germany) Argel F@cks (Brazil) Thomas Helmer (Germany) Stefan Kuntz ( Germany) Plus there would be a PC Police Squad meltdown if we got any of these and names on shirts wouldn't be very popular....:o) J7junctionseven
  • Score: 3

10:26pm Tue 5 Aug 14

St Van Roetford says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Tony in Liberia wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If it turns out really good the Neggies have to put their hands up and say they got it wrong and profuse apologies to the board. If it turns out really bad what do the Happy Clappers do?
Personally, I'll try to find new things to be happy about :-)

Although I'm not actually a happy clapper in the accepted sense of the word, as in blindly following the leader like a blind sheep; it's just that clapping really makes me happy :-)

Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap
I bloody love a good happy clap. Seriously, it's my favourite thing. Whenever I'm in a club and quite pished and a tune comes on that I love then I hit that dance floor and do a great big skinny-limbed Bobby Gillespie-style dance with a whole heap of clapping. I'm genuinely amazing at it. I might go for one in a bit, actually.
That's quality, must be doubly difficult whilst your head is stuck in the sand!
La la la la can't hear you. I'm gonna get loaded. I'm gonna have a good time. I'm gonna have a party. Let's go!

*Buggers off to nightclub*
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If it turns out really good the Neggies have to put their hands up and say they got it wrong and profuse apologies to the board. If it turns out really bad what do the Happy Clappers do?[/p][/quote]Personally, I'll try to find new things to be happy about :-) Although I'm not actually a happy clapper in the accepted sense of the word, as in blindly following the leader like a blind sheep; it's just that clapping really makes me happy :-) Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap[/p][/quote]I bloody love a good happy clap. Seriously, it's my favourite thing. Whenever I'm in a club and quite pished and a tune comes on that I love then I hit that dance floor and do a great big skinny-limbed Bobby Gillespie-style dance with a whole heap of clapping. I'm genuinely amazing at it. I might go for one in a bit, actually.[/p][/quote]That's quality, must be doubly difficult whilst your head is stuck in the sand![/p][/quote]La la la la can't hear you. I'm gonna get loaded. I'm gonna have a good time. I'm gonna have a party. Let's go! *Buggers off to nightclub* St Van Roetford
  • Score: 0

10:27pm Tue 5 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Tony in Liberia wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
If it turns out really good the Neggies have to put their hands up and say they got it wrong and profuse apologies to the board. If it turns out really bad what do the Happy Clappers do?
Personally, I'll try to find new things to be happy about :-)

Although I'm not actually a happy clapper in the accepted sense of the word, as in blindly following the leader like a blind sheep; it's just that clapping really makes me happy :-)

Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap
I had the clap once but it didn't make me happy
I introduced chlamydia to the UK in 1987. It's really caught on since.
I think she was the one who gave me the clap...:o)
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: If it turns out really good the Neggies have to put their hands up and say they got it wrong and profuse apologies to the board. If it turns out really bad what do the Happy Clappers do?[/p][/quote]Personally, I'll try to find new things to be happy about :-) Although I'm not actually a happy clapper in the accepted sense of the word, as in blindly following the leader like a blind sheep; it's just that clapping really makes me happy :-) Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap[/p][/quote]I had the clap once but it didn't make me happy[/p][/quote]I introduced chlamydia to the UK in 1987. It's really caught on since.[/p][/quote]I think she was the one who gave me the clap...:o) J7junctionseven
  • Score: 3

10:33pm Tue 5 Aug 14

thinklikealocal says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Be careful or chief inspector "nomorerumours" of the PC Police Squad will be on here threatening to report you for existing and having a personality different to him or her.
COYR FOADP
Objecting to foul language and profanity is not PC. PC is a bit like Elf and Safety, often misquoted. It's not PC, it's common decency. When it comes to not respecting our differences heal thyself doctor.
There's me thinking PC was an abbreviation for Political Correctness.
So I decided to check it out and guess what Professor.......

Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a contentious term that today commonly refers to enforced language, ideas, or policies that address perceived discrimination against political, social or economical groups ("protected classes")...........

Oops!!

Hallelujah.....I'm healed.......Sssshhh

hh
You don't even realise you've just proven yourself wrong do you! Oh dear. Read the definition YOU have just posted (oops copied and pasted....) What political, social or economical group is being abused on here that I (and others) are trying to be 'PC' about? None. Just objecting to your abusive language and behaviour towards other posters. You chose to wrongly label it PC and continue to demonstrate your ignorance of what PC actually means.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Be careful or chief inspector "nomorerumours" of the PC Police Squad will be on here threatening to report you for existing and having a personality different to him or her. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]Objecting to foul language and profanity is not PC. PC is a bit like Elf and Safety, often misquoted. It's not PC, it's common decency. When it comes to not respecting our differences heal thyself doctor.[/p][/quote]There's me thinking PC was an abbreviation for Political Correctness. So I decided to check it out and guess what Professor....... Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a contentious term that today commonly refers to enforced language, ideas, or policies that address perceived discrimination against political, social or economical groups ("protected classes")........... Oops!! Hallelujah.....I'm healed.......Sssshhh hh[/p][/quote]You don't even realise you've just proven yourself wrong do you! Oh dear. Read the definition YOU have just posted (oops copied and pasted....) What political, social or economical group is being abused on here that I (and others) are trying to be 'PC' about? None. Just objecting to your abusive language and behaviour towards other posters. You chose to wrongly label it PC and continue to demonstrate your ignorance of what PC actually means. thinklikealocal
  • Score: -3

10:35pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Arse
Arse Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

10:38pm Tue 5 Aug 14

one in the crowd says...

Have any mysterious new signings ( even loans would be acceptable ) come on board today as promised weeks ago. May I remind you, the first match of the new season for Saints is Sunday 17th August 2014 ( not 2015 ) it's not looking very good is it.
Have any mysterious new signings ( even loans would be acceptable ) come on board today as promised weeks ago. May I remind you, the first match of the new season for Saints is Sunday 17th August 2014 ( not 2015 ) it's not looking very good is it. one in the crowd
  • Score: 1

10:41pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Stuart Pearce has just come out and said two of his players have been sold without his say so. Psycho will probably get the sack but I really admire the guys integrity.
He's absolute gash as a manager though.
I hope we don't sign any of these players or replace RK with any of these coaches or they'll be some serious clap about
Ralf Minge (Germany)
Andre Muff (Switzerland)
Milan Fukal (Czech)
Uwe Fuchs (Germany)
Florian Dick (Germany)
Argel F@cks (Brazil)
Thomas Helmer (Germany)
Stefan Kuntz ( Germany)

Plus there would be a PC Police Squad meltdown if we got any of these and names on shirts wouldn't be very popular....:o)
We don't need Dickov as manager either..now that's a serious case of clap!
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Stuart Pearce has just come out and said two of his players have been sold without his say so. Psycho will probably get the sack but I really admire the guys integrity.[/p][/quote]He's absolute gash as a manager though.[/p][/quote]I hope we don't sign any of these players or replace RK with any of these coaches or they'll be some serious clap about Ralf Minge (Germany) Andre Muff (Switzerland) Milan Fukal (Czech) Uwe Fuchs (Germany) Florian Dick (Germany) Argel F@cks (Brazil) Thomas Helmer (Germany) Stefan Kuntz ( Germany) Plus there would be a PC Police Squad meltdown if we got any of these and names on shirts wouldn't be very popular....:o)[/p][/quote]We don't need Dickov as manager either..now that's a serious case of clap! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

10:41pm Tue 5 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Be careful or chief inspector "nomorerumours" of the PC Police Squad will be on here threatening to report you for existing and having a personality different to him or her.
COYR FOADP
Objecting to foul language and profanity is not PC. PC is a bit like Elf and Safety, often misquoted. It's not PC, it's common decency. When it comes to not respecting our differences heal thyself doctor.
There's me thinking PC was an abbreviation for Political Correctness.
So I decided to check it out and guess what Professor.......

Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a contentious term that today commonly refers to enforced language, ideas, or policies that address perceived discrimination against political, social or economical groups ("protected classes")...........


Oops!!

Hallelujah.....I'm healed.......Sssshhh


hh
You don't even realise you've just proven yourself wrong do you! Oh dear. Read the definition YOU have just posted (oops copied and pasted....) What political, social or economical group is being abused on here that I (and others) are trying to be 'PC' about? None. Just objecting to your abusive language and behaviour towards other posters. You chose to wrongly label it PC and continue to demonstrate your ignorance of what PC actually means.
I think one of your squad asked you a football related question further up the thread.......take that chip off your shoulder and try answering him instead of trying to provoke a row or make out you are a grown up.....jog on silly billy
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Be careful or chief inspector "nomorerumours" of the PC Police Squad will be on here threatening to report you for existing and having a personality different to him or her. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]Objecting to foul language and profanity is not PC. PC is a bit like Elf and Safety, often misquoted. It's not PC, it's common decency. When it comes to not respecting our differences heal thyself doctor.[/p][/quote]There's me thinking PC was an abbreviation for Political Correctness. So I decided to check it out and guess what Professor....... Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a contentious term that today commonly refers to enforced language, ideas, or policies that address perceived discrimination against political, social or economical groups ("protected classes")........... Oops!! Hallelujah.....I'm healed.......Sssshhh hh[/p][/quote]You don't even realise you've just proven yourself wrong do you! Oh dear. Read the definition YOU have just posted (oops copied and pasted....) What political, social or economical group is being abused on here that I (and others) are trying to be 'PC' about? None. Just objecting to your abusive language and behaviour towards other posters. You chose to wrongly label it PC and continue to demonstrate your ignorance of what PC actually means.[/p][/quote]I think one of your squad asked you a football related question further up the thread.......take that chip off your shoulder and try answering him instead of trying to provoke a row or make out you are a grown up.....jog on silly billy J7junctionseven
  • Score: 3

10:44pm Tue 5 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Stuart Pearce has just come out and said two of his players have been sold without his say so. Psycho will probably get the sack but I really admire the guys integrity.
He's absolute gash as a manager though.
I hope we don't sign any of these players or replace RK with any of these coaches or they'll be some serious clap about
Ralf Minge (Germany)
Andre Muff (Switzerland)
Milan Fukal (Czech)
Uwe Fuchs (Germany)
Florian Dick (Germany)
Argel F@cks (Brazil)
Thomas Helmer (Germany)
Stefan Kuntz ( Germany)

Plus there would be a PC Police Squad meltdown if we got any of these and names on shirts wouldn't be very popular....:o)
We don't need Dickov as manager either..now that's a serious case of clap!
Very true :o)
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Stuart Pearce has just come out and said two of his players have been sold without his say so. Psycho will probably get the sack but I really admire the guys integrity.[/p][/quote]He's absolute gash as a manager though.[/p][/quote]I hope we don't sign any of these players or replace RK with any of these coaches or they'll be some serious clap about Ralf Minge (Germany) Andre Muff (Switzerland) Milan Fukal (Czech) Uwe Fuchs (Germany) Florian Dick (Germany) Argel F@cks (Brazil) Thomas Helmer (Germany) Stefan Kuntz ( Germany) Plus there would be a PC Police Squad meltdown if we got any of these and names on shirts wouldn't be very popular....:o)[/p][/quote]We don't need Dickov as manager either..now that's a serious case of clap![/p][/quote]Very true :o) J7junctionseven
  • Score: 1

10:46pm Tue 5 Aug 14

thinklikealocal says...

Frankie Bennett wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Frankie Bennett wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ...

Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ...

Who can remember these chants at Brighton away ....

Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker

we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you ..

And ridiculing LIELANA .....

Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL.

Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin.

COYR +WS
Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions.

We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.
It's all got a bit Open University on this forum ...

2,000 words on the following discuss .. LOL

Yeah - bit like the Cup games - a few lads were getting it going and some of the chants were about ex players ...

I applaud the 800 + that travelled away - got behind the Manager and latest Team and TOGETHER AS ONE - we came way with the WIN to a local ambitious local rival.

It was a GOOD NIGHT OUT and SAINTS supporters were on form in the crowd - with lots of banter and a few beers

If you did not go - You missed out . COYR+WS
Interesting, I also enjoyed the night very much, but did not take part in the singing against ex-players - turning up to pre-season friendlies away shows part of my passion, but it is no greater or less than anybody elses, nor would I want to pretend it was. Brighton are not a local rival in my opinion, but I liked the way their fans conducted themselves on their forums by refusing to slag us off when they're local rag wrote an inflammatory story about laughing at Saints fans. That showed class, something I think we lack at times.
Unfortunately you're in the wrong place if you're looking for class. I wish it was different. Not every contributor to this forum I hasten to add.
@ thinklikealocal, what are your thoughts on transfers/lack of/loans etc?
I am trying to remain positive but it's wearing at times!
Yeh get where you are. Personally, I think we are a bit on the back foot at the moment. Players out - a combination of our perceived 'over performance' last season, some inflated egos as a result of international call ups and maybe a few management weaknesses. I would have hoped to see a few more signings by now, however, I would hate to see hasty quick purchases so maybe some loan deals, to buy us some time is not so bad. Also on the purchase side the negative press may be impacting on potential incomers view of the club? Also, we are known to have 'loads a money', so maybe, people trying to play us for inflated prices.... Who knows... All I know is I'll be at St M every game and I won't be abusing anyone....
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Bennett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: scanning through recent posts I- there are so many - but I think I saw one about seed junior being turned off saints games due to recent events and player sales ... Season Tickets and interest for example in Saturdays game is down because we have sold lots of first team players and take forever to buy in replacements ... Who can remember these chants at Brighton away .... Luuuuuuke Shaw ..... Fat W@nker Fat w@nker we f@cking hate you ... We f@cking hate you ... Dejan Lovren ... We f@cking hate you .. And ridiculing LIELANA ..... Passion on the Terraces is ALIVE and WELL. Do not agree with the Jose for captain chant ... As Davis puts In a good shift and we ain't talkin' about Kelvin. COYR +WS[/p][/quote]Is this really what passion is all about? In my opinion passion is about supporting your team through thick and thin, defending your team to others (even when you know they're bloody well right, and you're wrong!), losing your head when you score a last minute winner, not being able to sleep after losing a derby game, queuing for hours to get the ticket you want, always believing and, circumstances allowing, attending as many game as you can. Other will come up with more suggestions. We've all sung horrible chants about ex-players and probably will do this season when we get carried away, but I wouldn't for one minute confuse this with passion - more like juvenile stupidity.[/p][/quote]It's all got a bit Open University on this forum ... 2,000 words on the following discuss .. LOL Yeah - bit like the Cup games - a few lads were getting it going and some of the chants were about ex players ... I applaud the 800 + that travelled away - got behind the Manager and latest Team and TOGETHER AS ONE - we came way with the WIN to a local ambitious local rival. It was a GOOD NIGHT OUT and SAINTS supporters were on form in the crowd - with lots of banter and a few beers If you did not go - You missed out . COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Interesting, I also enjoyed the night very much, but did not take part in the singing against ex-players - turning up to pre-season friendlies away shows part of my passion, but it is no greater or less than anybody elses, nor would I want to pretend it was. Brighton are not a local rival in my opinion, but I liked the way their fans conducted themselves on their forums by refusing to slag us off when they're local rag wrote an inflammatory story about laughing at Saints fans. That showed class, something I think we lack at times.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately you're in the wrong place if you're looking for class. I wish it was different. Not every contributor to this forum I hasten to add.[/p][/quote]@ thinklikealocal, what are your thoughts on transfers/lack of/loans etc? I am trying to remain positive but it's wearing at times![/p][/quote]Yeh get where you are. Personally, I think we are a bit on the back foot at the moment. Players out - a combination of our perceived 'over performance' last season, some inflated egos as a result of international call ups and maybe a few management weaknesses. I would have hoped to see a few more signings by now, however, I would hate to see hasty quick purchases so maybe some loan deals, to buy us some time is not so bad. Also on the purchase side the negative press may be impacting on potential incomers view of the club? Also, we are known to have 'loads a money', so maybe, people trying to play us for inflated prices.... Who knows... All I know is I'll be at St M every game and I won't be abusing anyone.... thinklikealocal
  • Score: -3

10:50pm Tue 5 Aug 14

thinklikealocal says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Be careful or chief inspector "nomorerumours" of the PC Police Squad will be on here threatening to report you for existing and having a personality different to him or her.
COYR FOADP
Objecting to foul language and profanity is not PC. PC is a bit like Elf and Safety, often misquoted. It's not PC, it's common decency. When it comes to not respecting our differences heal thyself doctor.
There's me thinking PC was an abbreviation for Political Correctness.
So I decided to check it out and guess what Professor.......

Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a contentious term that today commonly refers to enforced language, ideas, or policies that address perceived discrimination against political, social or economical groups ("protected classes")...........



Oops!!

Hallelujah.....I'm healed.......Sssshhh



hh
You don't even realise you've just proven yourself wrong do you! Oh dear. Read the definition YOU have just posted (oops copied and pasted....) What political, social or economical group is being abused on here that I (and others) are trying to be 'PC' about? None. Just objecting to your abusive language and behaviour towards other posters. You chose to wrongly label it PC and continue to demonstrate your ignorance of what PC actually means.
I think one of your squad asked you a football related question further up the thread.......take that chip off your shoulder and try answering him instead of trying to provoke a row or make out you are a grown up.....jog on silly billy
Yeh and I think I answered that as you were writing your post... As you bring the subject up, what have getting loaded, nightclubs and STD's got to do with a football forum? Story to ask awkward questions..... Or more awkward than you ask anyway...
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Be careful or chief inspector "nomorerumours" of the PC Police Squad will be on here threatening to report you for existing and having a personality different to him or her. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]Objecting to foul language and profanity is not PC. PC is a bit like Elf and Safety, often misquoted. It's not PC, it's common decency. When it comes to not respecting our differences heal thyself doctor.[/p][/quote]There's me thinking PC was an abbreviation for Political Correctness. So I decided to check it out and guess what Professor....... Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a contentious term that today commonly refers to enforced language, ideas, or policies that address perceived discrimination against political, social or economical groups ("protected classes")........... Oops!! Hallelujah.....I'm healed.......Sssshhh hh[/p][/quote]You don't even realise you've just proven yourself wrong do you! Oh dear. Read the definition YOU have just posted (oops copied and pasted....) What political, social or economical group is being abused on here that I (and others) are trying to be 'PC' about? None. Just objecting to your abusive language and behaviour towards other posters. You chose to wrongly label it PC and continue to demonstrate your ignorance of what PC actually means.[/p][/quote]I think one of your squad asked you a football related question further up the thread.......take that chip off your shoulder and try answering him instead of trying to provoke a row or make out you are a grown up.....jog on silly billy[/p][/quote]Yeh and I think I answered that as you were writing your post... As you bring the subject up, what have getting loaded, nightclubs and STD's got to do with a football forum? Story to ask awkward questions..... Or more awkward than you ask anyway... thinklikealocal
  • Score: -4

10:53pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Be careful or chief inspector "nomorerumours" of the PC Police Squad will be on here threatening to report you for existing and having a personality different to him or her.
COYR FOADP
Objecting to foul language and profanity is not PC. PC is a bit like Elf and Safety, often misquoted. It's not PC, it's common decency. When it comes to not respecting our differences heal thyself doctor.
There's me thinking PC was an abbreviation for Political Correctness.
So I decided to check it out and guess what Professor.......

Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a contentious term that today commonly refers to enforced language, ideas, or policies that address perceived discrimination against political, social or economical groups ("protected classes")...........




Oops!!

Hallelujah.....I'm healed.......Sssshhh




hh
You don't even realise you've just proven yourself wrong do you! Oh dear. Read the definition YOU have just posted (oops copied and pasted....) What political, social or economical group is being abused on here that I (and others) are trying to be 'PC' about? None. Just objecting to your abusive language and behaviour towards other posters. You chose to wrongly label it PC and continue to demonstrate your ignorance of what PC actually means.
I think one of your squad asked you a football related question further up the thread.......take that chip off your shoulder and try answering him instead of trying to provoke a row or make out you are a grown up.....jog on silly billy
Yeh and I think I answered that as you were writing your post... As you bring the subject up, what have getting loaded, nightclubs and STD's got to do with a football forum? Story to ask awkward questions..... Or more awkward than you ask anyway...
You obviously didn't go to Steaua Bucharest you part timer!
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Be careful or chief inspector "nomorerumours" of the PC Police Squad will be on here threatening to report you for existing and having a personality different to him or her. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]Objecting to foul language and profanity is not PC. PC is a bit like Elf and Safety, often misquoted. It's not PC, it's common decency. When it comes to not respecting our differences heal thyself doctor.[/p][/quote]There's me thinking PC was an abbreviation for Political Correctness. So I decided to check it out and guess what Professor....... Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a contentious term that today commonly refers to enforced language, ideas, or policies that address perceived discrimination against political, social or economical groups ("protected classes")........... Oops!! Hallelujah.....I'm healed.......Sssshhh hh[/p][/quote]You don't even realise you've just proven yourself wrong do you! Oh dear. Read the definition YOU have just posted (oops copied and pasted....) What political, social or economical group is being abused on here that I (and others) are trying to be 'PC' about? None. Just objecting to your abusive language and behaviour towards other posters. You chose to wrongly label it PC and continue to demonstrate your ignorance of what PC actually means.[/p][/quote]I think one of your squad asked you a football related question further up the thread.......take that chip off your shoulder and try answering him instead of trying to provoke a row or make out you are a grown up.....jog on silly billy[/p][/quote]Yeh and I think I answered that as you were writing your post... As you bring the subject up, what have getting loaded, nightclubs and STD's got to do with a football forum? Story to ask awkward questions..... Or more awkward than you ask anyway...[/p][/quote]You obviously didn't go to Steaua Bucharest you part timer! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 5

10:54pm Tue 5 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Good boy and well done. Next time don't leave him hanging for over two hours....he might start to feel neglected and might get upset.
Good boy and well done. Next time don't leave him hanging for over two hours....he might start to feel neglected and might get upset. J7junctionseven
  • Score: 3

10:56pm Tue 5 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Be careful or chief inspector "nomorerumours" of the PC Police Squad will be on here threatening to report you for existing and having a personality different to him or her.
COYR FOADP
Objecting to foul language and profanity is not PC. PC is a bit like Elf and Safety, often misquoted. It's not PC, it's common decency. When it comes to not respecting our differences heal thyself doctor.
There's me thinking PC was an abbreviation for Political Correctness.
So I decided to check it out and guess what Professor.......

Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a contentious term that today commonly refers to enforced language, ideas, or policies that address perceived discrimination against political, social or economical groups ("protected classes")...........





Oops!!

Hallelujah.....I'm healed.......Sssshhh





hh
You don't even realise you've just proven yourself wrong do you! Oh dear. Read the definition YOU have just posted (oops copied and pasted....) What political, social or economical group is being abused on here that I (and others) are trying to be 'PC' about? None. Just objecting to your abusive language and behaviour towards other posters. You chose to wrongly label it PC and continue to demonstrate your ignorance of what PC actually means.
I think one of your squad asked you a football related question further up the thread.......take that chip off your shoulder and try answering him instead of trying to provoke a row or make out you are a grown up.....jog on silly billy
Yeh and I think I answered that as you were writing your post... As you bring the subject up, what have getting loaded, nightclubs and STD's got to do with a football forum? Story to ask awkward questions..... Or more awkward than you ask anyway...
You obviously didn't go to Steaua Bucharest you part timer!
Doubt if he's allowed to go to away games on his own
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Be careful or chief inspector "nomorerumours" of the PC Police Squad will be on here threatening to report you for existing and having a personality different to him or her. COYR FOADP[/p][/quote]Objecting to foul language and profanity is not PC. PC is a bit like Elf and Safety, often misquoted. It's not PC, it's common decency. When it comes to not respecting our differences heal thyself doctor.[/p][/quote]There's me thinking PC was an abbreviation for Political Correctness. So I decided to check it out and guess what Professor....... Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a contentious term that today commonly refers to enforced language, ideas, or policies that address perceived discrimination against political, social or economical groups ("protected classes")........... Oops!! Hallelujah.....I'm healed.......Sssshhh hh[/p][/quote]You don't even realise you've just proven yourself wrong do you! Oh dear. Read the definition YOU have just posted (oops copied and pasted....) What political, social or economical group is being abused on here that I (and others) are trying to be 'PC' about? None. Just objecting to your abusive language and behaviour towards other posters. You chose to wrongly label it PC and continue to demonstrate your ignorance of what PC actually means.[/p][/quote]I think one of your squad asked you a football related question further up the thread.......take that chip off your shoulder and try answering him instead of trying to provoke a row or make out you are a grown up.....jog on silly billy[/p][/quote]Yeh and I think I answered that as you were writing your post... As you bring the subject up, what have getting loaded, nightclubs and STD's got to do with a football forum? Story to ask awkward questions..... Or more awkward than you ask anyway...[/p][/quote]You obviously didn't go to Steaua Bucharest you part timer![/p][/quote]Doubt if he's allowed to go to away games on his own J7junctionseven
  • Score: 3

11:01pm Tue 5 Aug 14

thinklikealocal says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Good boy and well done. Next time don't leave him hanging for over two hours....he might start to feel neglected and might get upset.
Clearly not only do I have a better knowledge of the English language than you but better things to do than sit on here all night eagerly waiting to reply to people's posts. Google 'saddo', see what that brings up and conduct some self analysis. Night night....
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Good boy and well done. Next time don't leave him hanging for over two hours....he might start to feel neglected and might get upset.[/p][/quote]Clearly not only do I have a better knowledge of the English language than you but better things to do than sit on here all night eagerly waiting to reply to people's posts. Google 'saddo', see what that brings up and conduct some self analysis. Night night.... thinklikealocal
  • Score: -6

11:08pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo






gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this

"One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture."

Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!.

STID
I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it.

And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out.

I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?
Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are.
Sounds like a couple of Ostridges with their heads buried in the sand, FFP is now here and a fact of life whether you like it or not, sure you can invest as much(or as little) as you like, but the truth of the matter is if your wages were X at the start of season 2009/2010 or Y on 2010/2013 or Z on 2013/2014 it can only increase by £4million per year, the bigger teams get around it by bigger match day/commercial revenue and what their wages were at the start of FFP.
You can check the details out here http://www.financial


fairplay.co.uk/
This may be why Saints have taken on Ralph Krueger to try and expand in to the USA market which in time will expand our commercial revenue and in turn will give us an advantage over teams who are at the moment similar in size to us.
Also for next season, if we dont go to mad with the money this season, we will have a large trading surplus with will then in turn increase our ability to pay higher wages, up to £70 odd million, depending on how we do.
Anyway, we all want the best for the Saints, bring on the Scousers and smash em on day one!
COYS
I would be burying my head in the sand if I didn't believe that money can buy you anything if you have enough of it,and top football clubs have plenty.
If the world was fair,Sepp Blatter wouldn't be head of FIFA! ;0)
Point is money CAN'T buy you everything, not anymore, Forrest are owned by the Kuwaite Royal family or someone as rich, but can't spend 10's of millions on wages as it would breach the wage agreements of the Championship, would be fined heavily and or deducted points.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this "One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture." Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!. STID[/p][/quote]I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it. And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out. I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?[/p][/quote]Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are.[/p][/quote]Sounds like a couple of Ostridges with their heads buried in the sand, FFP is now here and a fact of life whether you like it or not, sure you can invest as much(or as little) as you like, but the truth of the matter is if your wages were X at the start of season 2009/2010 or Y on 2010/2013 or Z on 2013/2014 it can only increase by £4million per year, the bigger teams get around it by bigger match day/commercial revenue and what their wages were at the start of FFP. You can check the details out here http://www.financial fairplay.co.uk/ This may be why Saints have taken on Ralph Krueger to try and expand in to the USA market which in time will expand our commercial revenue and in turn will give us an advantage over teams who are at the moment similar in size to us. Also for next season, if we dont go to mad with the money this season, we will have a large trading surplus with will then in turn increase our ability to pay higher wages, up to £70 odd million, depending on how we do. Anyway, we all want the best for the Saints, bring on the Scousers and smash em on day one! COYS[/p][/quote]I would be burying my head in the sand if I didn't believe that money can buy you anything if you have enough of it,and top football clubs have plenty. If the world was fair,Sepp Blatter wouldn't be head of FIFA! ;0)[/p][/quote]Point is money CAN'T buy you everything, not anymore, Forrest are owned by the Kuwaite Royal family or someone as rich, but can't spend 10's of millions on wages as it would breach the wage agreements of the Championship, would be fined heavily and or deducted points. SaintAsh1964
  • Score: 0

11:11pm Tue 5 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Good boy and well done. Next time don't leave him hanging for over two hours....he might start to feel neglected and might get upset.
Clearly not only do I have a better knowledge of the English language than you but better things to do than sit on here all night eagerly waiting to reply to people's posts. Google 'saddo', see what that brings up and conduct some self analysis. Night night....
Google "Boring c@nt" and Thickasatreacle come's up.
Night night,,,zzzzzzzzzzz
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Good boy and well done. Next time don't leave him hanging for over two hours....he might start to feel neglected and might get upset.[/p][/quote]Clearly not only do I have a better knowledge of the English language than you but better things to do than sit on here all night eagerly waiting to reply to people's posts. Google 'saddo', see what that brings up and conduct some self analysis. Night night....[/p][/quote]Google "Boring c@nt" and Thickasatreacle come's up. Night night,,,zzzzzzzzzzz J7junctionseven
  • Score: 3

11:24pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo







gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this

"One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture."

Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!.

STID
I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it.

And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out.

I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?
Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are.
Sounds like a couple of Ostridges with their heads buried in the sand, FFP is now here and a fact of life whether you like it or not, sure you can invest as much(or as little) as you like, but the truth of the matter is if your wages were X at the start of season 2009/2010 or Y on 2010/2013 or Z on 2013/2014 it can only increase by £4million per year, the bigger teams get around it by bigger match day/commercial revenue and what their wages were at the start of FFP.
You can check the details out here http://www.financial



fairplay.co.uk/
This may be why Saints have taken on Ralph Krueger to try and expand in to the USA market which in time will expand our commercial revenue and in turn will give us an advantage over teams who are at the moment similar in size to us.
Also for next season, if we dont go to mad with the money this season, we will have a large trading surplus with will then in turn increase our ability to pay higher wages, up to £70 odd million, depending on how we do.
Anyway, we all want the best for the Saints, bring on the Scousers and smash em on day one!
COYS
I would be burying my head in the sand if I didn't believe that money can buy you anything if you have enough of it,and top football clubs have plenty.
If the world was fair,Sepp Blatter wouldn't be head of FIFA! ;0)
Point is money CAN'T buy you everything, not anymore, Forrest are owned by the Kuwaite Royal family or someone as rich, but can't spend 10's of millions on wages as it would breach the wage agreements of the Championship, would be fined heavily and or deducted points.
Bet Bernie Ecclestone wouldn't agree with you tonight. ;0)
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this "One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture." Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!. STID[/p][/quote]I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it. And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out. I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?[/p][/quote]Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are.[/p][/quote]Sounds like a couple of Ostridges with their heads buried in the sand, FFP is now here and a fact of life whether you like it or not, sure you can invest as much(or as little) as you like, but the truth of the matter is if your wages were X at the start of season 2009/2010 or Y on 2010/2013 or Z on 2013/2014 it can only increase by £4million per year, the bigger teams get around it by bigger match day/commercial revenue and what their wages were at the start of FFP. You can check the details out here http://www.financial fairplay.co.uk/ This may be why Saints have taken on Ralph Krueger to try and expand in to the USA market which in time will expand our commercial revenue and in turn will give us an advantage over teams who are at the moment similar in size to us. Also for next season, if we dont go to mad with the money this season, we will have a large trading surplus with will then in turn increase our ability to pay higher wages, up to £70 odd million, depending on how we do. Anyway, we all want the best for the Saints, bring on the Scousers and smash em on day one! COYS[/p][/quote]I would be burying my head in the sand if I didn't believe that money can buy you anything if you have enough of it,and top football clubs have plenty. If the world was fair,Sepp Blatter wouldn't be head of FIFA! ;0)[/p][/quote]Point is money CAN'T buy you everything, not anymore, Forrest are owned by the Kuwaite Royal family or someone as rich, but can't spend 10's of millions on wages as it would breach the wage agreements of the Championship, would be fined heavily and or deducted points.[/p][/quote]Bet Bernie Ecclestone wouldn't agree with you tonight. ;0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

11:25pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

SaintJD wrote:
SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo






gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this

"One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture."

Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!.

STID
I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it.

And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out.

I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?
Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are.
Sounds like a couple of Ostridges with their heads buried in the sand, FFP is now here and a fact of life whether you like it or not, sure you can invest as much(or as little) as you like, but the truth of the matter is if your wages were X at the start of season 2009/2010 or Y on 2010/2013 or Z on 2013/2014 it can only increase by £4million per year, the bigger teams get around it by bigger match day/commercial revenue and what their wages were at the start of FFP.
You can check the details out here http://www.financial


fairplay.co.uk/
This may be why Saints have taken on Ralph Krueger to try and expand in to the USA market which in time will expand our commercial revenue and in turn will give us an advantage over teams who are at the moment similar in size to us.
Also for next season, if we dont go to mad with the money this season, we will have a large trading surplus with will then in turn increase our ability to pay higher wages, up to £70 odd million, depending on how we do.
Anyway, we all want the best for the Saints, bring on the Scousers and smash em on day one!
COYS
If we're so keen to crack the US market why did we not tour the US then?

I'd heard Ralph was over their watching Spurs and chatting to them in the directors box but we decided to play Brighton and Bournemouth.

If we are so keen to crack the US market why were we playing Swindon town?

And why have we ended our association with a global kit manufacturer?

And why is Ralph Krueger Canadian? That's like the American's employing Jeremy Clarkson to crack the German or Indian market.

I take your point on the FFP rules, which invariably will be used to hit small clubs in an inconsistent way in the same way Salisbury City are demoted two leagues and given massive financial penalties (not ideal to help you solve financial problems) while Pompey and Leeds (and maybe us) got considerably less. Same with West Ham and Tevez and Sheffield United.

Yes, it will be a Saints, Palace or Hull that they will make an example of I'm quite sure.
Well as the new Board have only been in place for as matter of weeks, I'm pretty sure they had more pressing items to sort out 1st;
New Manager,players wanting to leave, clearing up the mess which has been left by NC,that kind of thing.
A tour like this is planned years in advance, do you think the tournament being played at the moment was arranged in March?
Maybe Krueger was over there picking brains and laying the seeds for a tour next year,I don't know to be honest, and Ralph Krueger may well be Canadian, but his is one of the most respected sports figures in north America, google his past achievements and see,he may not be Football based, but he must know how things work over there with the Media, after all it's not what you know but who you know!
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]Well on 25th July on the Chambers thread i posted this "One poster asked why KL doesn't iinvest big in the squad. The facts are she can't. The FFP rules prevent her from doing so. Each club is governed by it's turnover and profit margin which for smaller clubs like us can act as a shackle preventing us from becoming a larger club. Selling players at inflated prices and buying at low prices will have a significant effect on the balance sheet coupled with the fact that accounting is judged on a three year basis gives the club huge scope to increase wages and compete financially in the future as long as we stay in the PL. Just a theory, but sometimes there is a bigger picture." Obviously this received a resounding thumbs down at the time!!!!!!!. STID[/p][/quote]I do not believe in a million years that any lack of investment back into the club would be because of Financial Fair Play. This is nonsense. Financial Fair Play is just another blunt instrument to make it look like the powers that be give a fig about the inequalities of modern football. If it really had any bite, why are a team that abused the rules more than anyone last season still Premier League Champions with a pointless fine to show for it. And, by the way, that £49 million fine was wiped out by the £95 million they got for winning it, giving them £46 million to spend on more cake for Ya Ya Toure, so work that one out. I admit it's a great excuse though. Are you Les Reed?[/p][/quote]Good point JD. At the end of the day,money will buy you anything if you've got enough of it,and you want something bad enough..no matter what the rules are.[/p][/quote]Sounds like a couple of Ostridges with their heads buried in the sand, FFP is now here and a fact of life whether you like it or not, sure you can invest as much(or as little) as you like, but the truth of the matter is if your wages were X at the start of season 2009/2010 or Y on 2010/2013 or Z on 2013/2014 it can only increase by £4million per year, the bigger teams get around it by bigger match day/commercial revenue and what their wages were at the start of FFP. You can check the details out here http://www.financial fairplay.co.uk/ This may be why Saints have taken on Ralph Krueger to try and expand in to the USA market which in time will expand our commercial revenue and in turn will give us an advantage over teams who are at the moment similar in size to us. Also for next season, if we dont go to mad with the money this season, we will have a large trading surplus with will then in turn increase our ability to pay higher wages, up to £70 odd million, depending on how we do. Anyway, we all want the best for the Saints, bring on the Scousers and smash em on day one! COYS[/p][/quote]If we're so keen to crack the US market why did we not tour the US then? I'd heard Ralph was over their watching Spurs and chatting to them in the directors box but we decided to play Brighton and Bournemouth. If we are so keen to crack the US market why were we playing Swindon town? And why have we ended our association with a global kit manufacturer? And why is Ralph Krueger Canadian? That's like the American's employing Jeremy Clarkson to crack the German or Indian market. I take your point on the FFP rules, which invariably will be used to hit small clubs in an inconsistent way in the same way Salisbury City are demoted two leagues and given massive financial penalties (not ideal to help you solve financial problems) while Pompey and Leeds (and maybe us) got considerably less. Same with West Ham and Tevez and Sheffield United. Yes, it will be a Saints, Palace or Hull that they will make an example of I'm quite sure.[/p][/quote]Well as the new Board have only been in place for as matter of weeks, I'm pretty sure they had more pressing items to sort out 1st; New Manager,players wanting to leave, clearing up the mess which has been left by NC,that kind of thing. A tour like this is planned years in advance, do you think the tournament being played at the moment was arranged in March? Maybe Krueger was over there picking brains and laying the seeds for a tour next year,I don't know to be honest, and Ralph Krueger may well be Canadian, but his is one of the most respected sports figures in north America, google his past achievements and see,he may not be Football based, but he must know how things work over there with the Media, after all it's not what you know but who you know! SaintAsh1964
  • Score: 0

12:27am Wed 6 Aug 14

Saints n Winners says...

ctsaint wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo






gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read.

I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future.

Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists.

By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc
I am more cynical about that blog.

All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year.

This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.
Well,the guy has been pretty desperate to advertise it,and get everyone to read it over the past few days...that's true!
Too true. This blog is just too convenient.
What about the numbers that its based on? and the logic that comes out of what we can and cant do under FFP? It pretty much says that if we kept the players we couldn't sign others or honor the pay rises they may have come to expect - that's the tricky situation that only NC could have left us in. That's perhaps why the situation was so "difficult" and why players felt betrayed and acted the way they have.

I don't buy that he structured a poison-pill, he was a senior confidant of the family in several business's for many years and there is no real reason to assume he would want to harm his client - he's a senior exec with a professional reputation to uphold, I doubt he would act like a child unlike some on here.

The article clearly shows we had a problem with wages growth and expectations out-stripping commercial revenue.

Selling players permanently raises that salary cap as it adds to our commercial revenue and its actually the fastest way to be able to grow . It is not without the risk of weakening the team in the short term, but I am guessing the bet is that with the right manager we will keep it together and then be financially very very strong come next years window.

thats a plan that has credibility, fans may not like it, but it makes a great deal more sense than any of the neggies posts do at this stage.

As i said above, even if she is selling , the "asset strip" leaves us with a far higher wage cap, that makes us attractive to a new buyer , as that buyer is no longer as constrained by FFP.

Either way, the fairytale of champions league and top is still alive, it may just take a while longer - anyone who believes adding 3 players would have had us challenging is possibly right , this article explains that we couldn't , even if Katerina wrote the cheques.
How reliable are these numbers. Many are saying that they are not correct.
How clever is trying to deceive the fans over he early ST sale. How will the attendance stack up this year. How much less money will we make by dropping don from eighth last year, how about drop off in shirts sales, how about the slight drop in atmosphere that will effect the team,
Markus always said that the best way to row the club is incrementally - not quickly.
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read. I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future. Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists. By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc[/p][/quote]I am more cynical about that blog. All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year. This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.[/p][/quote]Well,the guy has been pretty desperate to advertise it,and get everyone to read it over the past few days...that's true![/p][/quote]Too true. This blog is just too convenient.[/p][/quote]What about the numbers that its based on? and the logic that comes out of what we can and cant do under FFP? It pretty much says that if we kept the players we couldn't sign others or honor the pay rises they may have come to expect - that's the tricky situation that only NC could have left us in. That's perhaps why the situation was so "difficult" and why players felt betrayed and acted the way they have. I don't buy that he structured a poison-pill, he was a senior confidant of the family in several business's for many years and there is no real reason to assume he would want to harm his client - he's a senior exec with a professional reputation to uphold, I doubt he would act like a child unlike some on here. The article clearly shows we had a problem with wages growth and expectations out-stripping commercial revenue. Selling players permanently raises that salary cap as it adds to our commercial revenue and its actually the fastest way to be able to grow . It is not without the risk of weakening the team in the short term, but I am guessing the bet is that with the right manager we will keep it together and then be financially very very strong come next years window. thats a plan that has credibility, fans may not like it, but it makes a great deal more sense than any of the neggies posts do at this stage. As i said above, even if she is selling , the "asset strip" leaves us with a far higher wage cap, that makes us attractive to a new buyer , as that buyer is no longer as constrained by FFP. Either way, the fairytale of champions league and top is still alive, it may just take a while longer - anyone who believes adding 3 players would have had us challenging is possibly right , this article explains that we couldn't , even if Katerina wrote the cheques.[/p][/quote]How reliable are these numbers. Many are saying that they are not correct. How clever is trying to deceive the fans over he early ST sale. How will the attendance stack up this year. How much less money will we make by dropping don from eighth last year, how about drop off in shirts sales, how about the slight drop in atmosphere that will effect the team, Markus always said that the best way to row the club is incrementally - not quickly. Saints n Winners
  • Score: 0

12:48am Wed 6 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
http://redsloscf.blo







gspot.co.uk

Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP
It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read.

I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future.

Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists.

By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc
I am more cynical about that blog.

All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year.

This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.
Well,the guy has been pretty desperate to advertise it,and get everyone to read it over the past few days...that's true!
Too true. This blog is just too convenient.
What about the numbers that its based on? and the logic that comes out of what we can and cant do under FFP? It pretty much says that if we kept the players we couldn't sign others or honor the pay rises they may have come to expect - that's the tricky situation that only NC could have left us in. That's perhaps why the situation was so "difficult" and why players felt betrayed and acted the way they have.

I don't buy that he structured a poison-pill, he was a senior confidant of the family in several business's for many years and there is no real reason to assume he would want to harm his client - he's a senior exec with a professional reputation to uphold, I doubt he would act like a child unlike some on here.

The article clearly shows we had a problem with wages growth and expectations out-stripping commercial revenue.

Selling players permanently raises that salary cap as it adds to our commercial revenue and its actually the fastest way to be able to grow . It is not without the risk of weakening the team in the short term, but I am guessing the bet is that with the right manager we will keep it together and then be financially very very strong come next years window.

thats a plan that has credibility, fans may not like it, but it makes a great deal more sense than any of the neggies posts do at this stage.

As i said above, even if she is selling , the "asset strip" leaves us with a far higher wage cap, that makes us attractive to a new buyer , as that buyer is no longer as constrained by FFP.

Either way, the fairytale of champions league and top is still alive, it may just take a while longer - anyone who believes adding 3 players would have had us challenging is possibly right , this article explains that we couldn't , even if Katerina wrote the cheques.
How reliable are these numbers. Many are saying that they are not correct.
How clever is trying to deceive the fans over he early ST sale. How will the attendance stack up this year. How much less money will we make by dropping don from eighth last year, how about drop off in shirts sales, how about the slight drop in atmosphere that will effect the team,
Markus always said that the best way to row the club is incrementally - not quickly.
That's what always annoys me when people say that Cortese was leading us to destruction in the way of Leeds Utd,there wasn't any sign of that in the five years he steered us from oblivion back to the top.The only thing people can throw at him was the increased cost of the training facilities, but even that relatively minor amount would have been easily manageable,by any astute business person,which he most certainly was.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: http://redsloscf.blo gspot.co.uk Interesting blog re Saints, transfers and FFP[/p][/quote]It is very much worth a read. Its a good in depth summary of the situation - something both Neggies and Happy Clappers should read. I am a happy clapper because having read it, it confirms the board are doing the right thing for our long term future. Whats quite interesting though is that these numbers also support the "asset stripping in preparation for a sale" theorists. By doing what we have done, and what is detailed in the blogg post, it allows us to raise the salary cap in the club significantly and permanently (due to increased income - all be it through player sales), this actually makes us more attractive to a buyer who wants to throw money at the team - which is what some fans want now - so worse case we are asset stripped and sold at a higher value due to the raised salary cap making us very attractive to an Oligarch , US Hedge Fund, Oil Chap etc etc[/p][/quote]I am more cynical about that blog. All of a sudden a blogger from another country turns up who doesn't know who his grandfather is, and informs us that we were better off unloading loads of players and getting loans in. and buying more players next year. This just happens to fit in with the new club hierarchy's present course. Wi knows, but Krueger, being American may have just asked one of his Lawyer mates to write a blog, thereby taking the heat off the board.[/p][/quote]Well,the guy has been pretty desperate to advertise it,and get everyone to read it over the past few days...that's true![/p][/quote]Too true. This blog is just too convenient.[/p][/quote]What about the numbers that its based on? and the logic that comes out of what we can and cant do under FFP? It pretty much says that if we kept the players we couldn't sign others or honor the pay rises they may have come to expect - that's the tricky situation that only NC could have left us in. That's perhaps why the situation was so "difficult" and why players felt betrayed and acted the way they have. I don't buy that he structured a poison-pill, he was a senior confidant of the family in several business's for many years and there is no real reason to assume he would want to harm his client - he's a senior exec with a professional reputation to uphold, I doubt he would act like a child unlike some on here. The article clearly shows we had a problem with wages growth and expectations out-stripping commercial revenue. Selling players permanently raises that salary cap as it adds to our commercial revenue and its actually the fastest way to be able to grow . It is not without the risk of weakening the team in the short term, but I am guessing the bet is that with the right manager we will keep it together and then be financially very very strong come next years window. thats a plan that has credibility, fans may not like it, but it makes a great deal more sense than any of the neggies posts do at this stage. As i said above, even if she is selling , the "asset strip" leaves us with a far higher wage cap, that makes us attractive to a new buyer , as that buyer is no longer as constrained by FFP. Either way, the fairytale of champions league and top is still alive, it may just take a while longer - anyone who believes adding 3 players would have had us challenging is possibly right , this article explains that we couldn't , even if Katerina wrote the cheques.[/p][/quote]How reliable are these numbers. Many are saying that they are not correct. How clever is trying to deceive the fans over he early ST sale. How will the attendance stack up this year. How much less money will we make by dropping don from eighth last year, how about drop off in shirts sales, how about the slight drop in atmosphere that will effect the team, Markus always said that the best way to row the club is incrementally - not quickly.[/p][/quote]That's what always annoys me when people say that Cortese was leading us to destruction in the way of Leeds Utd,there wasn't any sign of that in the five years he steered us from oblivion back to the top.The only thing people can throw at him was the increased cost of the training facilities, but even that relatively minor amount would have been easily manageable,by any astute business person,which he most certainly was. Positively4thStreet
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9:16am Wed 6 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

I notice that Poach all of a sudden has no need of a translator in his interviews anymore.
I notice that Poach all of a sudden has no need of a translator in his interviews anymore. KiwiSaint74
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1:39pm Wed 6 Aug 14

jaydejay says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I notice that Poach all of a sudden has no need of a translator in his interviews anymore.
That is because the Spurs board do not silence him! Hes aloud to say what he wants now and not what hes told to say.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I notice that Poach all of a sudden has no need of a translator in his interviews anymore.[/p][/quote]That is because the Spurs board do not silence him! Hes aloud to say what he wants now and not what hes told to say. jaydejay
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