Southampton's Morgan Schneiderlin would be right to ask the question 'why me?'

Morgan would be right to ask the question ‘why me?’

Morgan would be right to ask the question ‘why me?’

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IT’S hard to imagine any Saints fan having much sympathy for any of the players who have been sold this summer or those who want to join the extraordinary exodus.

They are all sensationally well paid, earning salaries far beyond the wildest dreams of those who pay to watch them.

And they all seemingly couldn’t wait to sprint out the exit door of the club who had done so much to help all their careers.

Morgan Schneiderlin, though, might be different.

It is possible, just, to have a shred of sympathy for him.

Just a shred, mind you.

After all, he must be thinking, why me?

Why, after letting Rickie Lambert go and Luke Shaw and Adam Lallana and Dejan Lovren and Calum Chambers, have they stopped ME from making my ‘dream’ move?

That could be a worthwhile question the Frenchman is asking himself after Ralph Krueger came out on Tuesday and categorically said the player would not be sold.

That is a definitive statement by the chairman and not one where he could ever be accused of being misquoted by the media.

He has stated categorically that Schneiderlin – and injured striker Jay Rodriguez, lest we forget – will not be taking part in the great St Mary’s summer sale.

Trust Krueger has nailed his colours to the mast with that statement.

He will not be allowed to forget it.

If the man with a successful background in ice hockey keeps to it, then fans will start to trust the board again.

If for whatever reason Schneiderlin is sold before the summer transfer window slams shut, then any trust that remains will be shattered.

Like the dreams of the Saints faithful who believed that last season’s squad could well be kept together this summer.

Schneiderlin would be right to ask the above question.

Why should he be treated any differently?

He has given the club six years of good service in the first team, more than Lovren, Shaw and Chambers put together.

Is it because the club seeking to sign him is managed by the man who unceremoniously walked out on Saints earlier this summer, Mauricio Pochettino?

Would Saints really deny a player who wanted to leave a transfer just because of who is in charge of the club who want to sign him?

In this case, I’d like to think so!

Pochettino treated Saints with something bordering contempt, so why should Saints bend over backwards to accommodate his rebuilding plans.

Is it because the Saints board came in for so much criticism for selling Chambers that the penny finally dropped in the corridors of power?

Have the board woken up to the fact that so many fans are absolutely furious about the break-up of their team and that the much promised ‘transparency’ from the board hasn’t really materialised.

If Saints can say ‘no’ to Schneiderlin, why couldn’t they do the same for any of the five players previously sold?

What is the difference between Lovren wanting to leave or Chambers wanting to leave, to Schneiderlin wanting to leave?

That is a problem very much of the club’s own making.

By letting so many first team players depart – and five in a matter of weeks is a huge amount for any club, at any level – Saints have made their own bed.

Now they have to lie in it.

That could well mean Schneiderlin saying he wants to leave, in the wake of having seen so many of his colleagues depart.

Katharina Liebherr, Les Reed and Krueger have to stop the exodus somewhere otherwise Ronald Koeman will be struggling to put out a competitive side against Liverpool at Anfield on August 16.

At some point they have to draw a line under the sales and start bringing replacements in.

Some quality additions could well show Schneiderlin, as well as a disgruntled fanbase, that the club still have ambition.

Saints are playing a risky game, keeping an unhappy player.

But Schneiderlin is a highly paid professional and he needs to understand his responsibilities.

Easier said than done, though, especially with Lovren’s ‘my heart is at Anfield’ outburst at the start of this month still fresh in the mind.

Saints fans have probably had a gutful of players they once admired and adored chucking their plaudits back in their faces, and the last thing they need now is another one chucking toys out of a pram.

The Croatian centre half did himself no favours in the eyes of the fans with his childish outburst.

But he got what he wanted in the end. It might have taken a few weeks of talks but he got what he wanted. That is the bottom line.

Will Schneiderlin go down the same road?

Ralph Krueger never said Dejan Lovren would not be sold so this is a different situation entirely.

Krueger could not have been any clearer on the subject of Schneiderlin’s future.

How many fans actually believe the chairman, though, is another good question to ask.

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10:27am Thu 31 Jul 14

BarnetSaint says...

Very good article .

Quite frankly, many of us now despise the former players whom we idolised. The antics of lie lanna
Very good article . Quite frankly, many of us now despise the former players whom we idolised. The antics of lie lanna BarnetSaint
  • Score: 1

10:27am Thu 31 Jul 14

apm1954 says...

Good old echo stir the muck again.
Good old echo stir the muck again. apm1954
  • Score: -29

10:28am Thu 31 Jul 14

BarnetSaint says...

And lovren will not be forgotten.
It would be a shame for schneiderlin to leave under acrimonious circumstances too.
And lovren will not be forgotten. It would be a shame for schneiderlin to leave under acrimonious circumstances too. BarnetSaint
  • Score: -10

10:33am Thu 31 Jul 14

george chivers says...

He should have got his agent to sort out the deal earlier. Fan Power has stopped him going. Good.

I am sure he will try again in January and probably succeed. I don't think all of our money will spent by September 1, and we will be back in the market in the new year with even more money to spend after a couple more have gone.
He should have got his agent to sort out the deal earlier. Fan Power has stopped him going. Good. I am sure he will try again in January and probably succeed. I don't think all of our money will spent by September 1, and we will be back in the market in the new year with even more money to spend after a couple more have gone. george chivers
  • Score: -30

10:38am Thu 31 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.
unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton. Clever Dick
  • Score: 10

10:39am Thu 31 Jul 14

St Grange says...

There are few things the board need to do :

1. Offer him , Rodriguez, Cork, Clynde, Fonte improved contracts at terms commensurating their importance to the team.

2. Koeman should explain his grand plan for the Saints- where do they head in 5 years' time, target for next 2 years etc.If these players are told that they are challenging for Europa League in 2 years and CL in 3 years, I am sure these players will see where their future lies. Includes release clauses in their contracts in that if Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern etc come looking, they can go but not to our competitors in the EPL as they only strengthen our opponents if they leave. Discuss with them a realistic future value for the release clauses, so that they can work hard achieving that. I would even put in an incentive for them if these values are achieved and share the upside with them.

3. Spend the money earned on new players and improved contracts for all key players.

4. Commercialised the team world wide to get more supporters, sponsors and incomes.
There are few things the board need to do : 1. Offer him , Rodriguez, Cork, Clynde, Fonte improved contracts at terms commensurating their importance to the team. 2. Koeman should explain his grand plan for the Saints- where do they head in 5 years' time, target for next 2 years etc.If these players are told that they are challenging for Europa League in 2 years and CL in 3 years, I am sure these players will see where their future lies. Includes release clauses in their contracts in that if Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern etc come looking, they can go but not to our competitors in the EPL as they only strengthen our opponents if they leave. Discuss with them a realistic future value for the release clauses, so that they can work hard achieving that. I would even put in an incentive for them if these values are achieved and share the upside with them. 3. Spend the money earned on new players and improved contracts for all key players. 4. Commercialised the team world wide to get more supporters, sponsors and incomes. St Grange
  • Score: 3

10:42am Thu 31 Jul 14

saintsfan76 says...

Would be nice to.know which other players we are trying to sign.
Would be nice to.know which other players we are trying to sign. saintsfan76
  • Score: -18

10:47am Thu 31 Jul 14

Johnny FP says...

Dear Echo, it is no wonder you get no real information from SFC, your often inflamatory articles have little more value than the drivel spouted on internet forums. You would be better to show some integrity and rebuild a relationship with our club, and then hopefully give us some real news.
Dear Echo, it is no wonder you get no real information from SFC, your often inflamatory articles have little more value than the drivel spouted on internet forums. You would be better to show some integrity and rebuild a relationship with our club, and then hopefully give us some real news. Johnny FP
  • Score: -9

10:48am Thu 31 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Clever Dick wrote:
unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.
Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.[/p][/quote]Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -26

10:50am Thu 31 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred. costa gaz
  • Score: -58

10:54am Thu 31 Jul 14

Numpty Girl says...

KL understands that the Board has to earn our trust - remaining resolute on this issue is paramount in this quest.
Tough luck on Schneiderlin. He can protest all he likes, but
contractually, he's committed to Saints. I doubt whether any fans feel sorry for him.

The Jury is firmly out on KL's Board. I'm not convinced that there's any proper strategy in place, despite Krüger's protestations to the contrary.
The Bertrand signing makes sense, but could also be seen as desperation
and short-termism. Further loan deals may well concern the fans further.
Proper, appropriate, and substantial purchases will help towards healing the damaged relationship between Board and fans. A winning start against the much-villified Liverpool would work a miracle cure.
KL understands that the Board has to earn our trust - remaining resolute on this issue is paramount in this quest. Tough luck on Schneiderlin. He can protest all he likes, but contractually, he's committed to Saints. I doubt whether any fans feel sorry for him. The Jury is firmly out on KL's Board. I'm not convinced that there's any proper strategy in place, despite Krüger's protestations to the contrary. The Bertrand signing makes sense, but could also be seen as desperation and short-termism. Further loan deals may well concern the fans further. Proper, appropriate, and substantial purchases will help towards healing the damaged relationship between Board and fans. A winning start against the much-villified Liverpool would work a miracle cure. Numpty Girl
  • Score: -25

10:54am Thu 31 Jul 14

killared says...

This exodus is a joke the board is to blame for this ! We replace our established players with average players It's gonna be a long season !
This exodus is a joke the board is to blame for this ! We replace our established players with average players It's gonna be a long season ! killared
  • Score: -34

10:55am Thu 31 Jul 14

Scarborosaint says...

Agents call the shots unfortunately leaking stories to the press and alerting other clubs to a players availability . As disappointing as it was to lose 5 players from last years squad the money accumulated is not to be sniffed at. Shaw , lallana and louvren pushed through their sales by stating their intentions publicly , lambert deserved the chance to play at his boyhood club and went with most fans blessing , chambers although having potential is not as good as clyne. It's not about who we have lost but who we get in, we want players hungry for success , prepared to play for the red and white stripes , a coach who shares the fans passion for entertaining free flowing football . The board have come in for criticism but I for one think it's too early to be to critical , I remember everyone being up in arms when Adkins was sacked but instead of jumping on the band wagon, get behind the club as one , look forward not back the future is still bright as alongside 6 or 7 new signings we have more young players coming through the academy. Producing good exciting players is the Southampton way.
Agents call the shots unfortunately leaking stories to the press and alerting other clubs to a players availability . As disappointing as it was to lose 5 players from last years squad the money accumulated is not to be sniffed at. Shaw , lallana and louvren pushed through their sales by stating their intentions publicly , lambert deserved the chance to play at his boyhood club and went with most fans blessing , chambers although having potential is not as good as clyne. It's not about who we have lost but who we get in, we want players hungry for success , prepared to play for the red and white stripes , a coach who shares the fans passion for entertaining free flowing football . The board have come in for criticism but I for one think it's too early to be to critical , I remember everyone being up in arms when Adkins was sacked but instead of jumping on the band wagon, get behind the club as one , look forward not back the future is still bright as alongside 6 or 7 new signings we have more young players coming through the academy. Producing good exciting players is the Southampton way. Scarborosaint
  • Score: 9

10:57am Thu 31 Jul 14

fascia123 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.
Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.
It's the agents and players that have no loyalty, nice to see in the ugly world of football a true gentleman of the game in Nigel Adkins come out and show support.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.[/p][/quote]Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.[/p][/quote]It's the agents and players that have no loyalty, nice to see in the ugly world of football a true gentleman of the game in Nigel Adkins come out and show support. fascia123
  • Score: 15

10:57am Thu 31 Jul 14

manosussex says...

costa gaz wrote:
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
I agree..............T
hink what you like about N.C. this wouldn't have happened in this disorganised manner if he had been in control.
Mr Reed his action in going back on his word to Brighton tells you all you need to know about him.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.[/p][/quote]I agree..............T hink what you like about N.C. this wouldn't have happened in this disorganised manner if he had been in control. Mr Reed his action in going back on his word to Brighton tells you all you need to know about him. manosussex
  • Score: -29

10:58am Thu 31 Jul 14

bikercub says...

DE you should be ashamed! This is an appalling, lazy piece of journalism intended to stir up vitriol against the club. I see the perpetrator did not have the nerve to put their name to it.
You've dragged up Pochetino, Lovren, Chambers and attached them to Shneiderlin and pitted them all against the Chairman and board of the club. Every single point you attempt to make is countered by another saying the opposite. You've lit the blue touch paper and are waiting for it all to explode in yet another misery-fest. Shame on you!

Why not do some investigative journalism, find out if there is any truth in the rumour of Morgan submitting a transfer request? Why not find out the real meaning behind the tweet and what the club think or intend to do about it?
Instead you choose to stir up trouble with conjecture, hearsay and cut'n'paste journalism from the nationals and only perpetuate the unrest that currently surrounds the club. The very club that is supported by the people that buy your paper (or not if they have any sense).
If there's one thing Saints fans have had a gutful of...it's lousy journalism from the Daily Echo.
DE you should be ashamed! This is an appalling, lazy piece of journalism intended to stir up vitriol against the club. I see the perpetrator did not have the nerve to put their name to it. You've dragged up Pochetino, Lovren, Chambers and attached them to Shneiderlin and pitted them all against the Chairman and board of the club. Every single point you attempt to make is countered by another saying the opposite. You've lit the blue touch paper and are waiting for it all to explode in yet another misery-fest. Shame on you! Why not do some investigative journalism, find out if there is any truth in the rumour of Morgan submitting a transfer request? Why not find out the real meaning behind the tweet and what the club think or intend to do about it? Instead you choose to stir up trouble with conjecture, hearsay and cut'n'paste journalism from the nationals and only perpetuate the unrest that currently surrounds the club. The very club that is supported by the people that buy your paper (or not if they have any sense). If there's one thing Saints fans have had a gutful of...it's lousy journalism from the Daily Echo. bikercub
  • Score: 14

10:58am Thu 31 Jul 14

Nunner says...

I cant believe that already people are starting to feel sorry for these players. They have left my club to do one thing...fill their wallets. There are ways and ways of doing things and this is not it. If ever I get the chance to see them play I for one will give them heaps. Average people and average players.
I cant believe that already people are starting to feel sorry for these players. They have left my club to do one thing...fill their wallets. There are ways and ways of doing things and this is not it. If ever I get the chance to see them play I for one will give them heaps. Average people and average players. Nunner
  • Score: -5

10:58am Thu 31 Jul 14

george chivers says...

BarnetSaint wrote:
And lovren will not be forgotten.
It would be a shame for schneiderlin to leave under acrimonious circumstances too.
Would he care if it was acrimonious circumstances if he got what he wanted?

Fans are sentimental. I don't think players are.
[quote][p][bold]BarnetSaint[/bold] wrote: And lovren will not be forgotten. It would be a shame for schneiderlin to leave under acrimonious circumstances too.[/p][/quote]Would he care if it was acrimonious circumstances if he got what he wanted? Fans are sentimental. I don't think players are. george chivers
  • Score: -11

11:01am Thu 31 Jul 14

st.ranger says...

Why you? Because you have more value in the contract than they were offering the club. You will of course be offered a reasonable wage and the possibility of 30+matches a season in the premier league. I doubt that you will becaptain with that attitude though.
Why you? Because you have more value in the contract than they were offering the club. You will of course be offered a reasonable wage and the possibility of 30+matches a season in the premier league. I doubt that you will becaptain with that attitude though. st.ranger
  • Score: -7

11:02am Thu 31 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.
Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.
Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did.

Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans.

We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence.

TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.[/p][/quote]Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.[/p][/quote]Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did. Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans. We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence. TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -26

11:06am Thu 31 Jul 14

saint christopher says...

Every other player over-hyped and easily replaceable from within or without plus selling them got us oodles of cash.

Morgan? Too slow to catch that particular bus plus perhaps the most difficult to replace in many respects. Result? You're staying mate (or only going if we've first got a replacement and you earn us double-oodles).

Simples.
Every other player over-hyped and easily replaceable from within or without plus selling them got us oodles of cash. Morgan? Too slow to catch that particular bus plus perhaps the most difficult to replace in many respects. Result? You're staying mate (or only going if we've first got a replacement and you earn us double-oodles). Simples. saint christopher
  • Score: 10

11:07am Thu 31 Jul 14

Southern softy says...

costa gaz wrote:
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
Come on Costa!!

I'm not saying the board have got it right but we have cashed in and got top dollar for all the players we have sold. Lets wait and see who replaces them and were we are come Christmas. My gut says mid table and RK ready to improve the team in the Jan sales?

COYR (& white strips)

PS. All the best to your Mrs
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.[/p][/quote]Come on Costa!! I'm not saying the board have got it right but we have cashed in and got top dollar for all the players we have sold. Lets wait and see who replaces them and were we are come Christmas. My gut says mid table and RK ready to improve the team in the Jan sales? COYR (& white strips) PS. All the best to your Mrs Southern softy
  • Score: 5

11:14am Thu 31 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

saint christopher wrote:
Every other player over-hyped and easily replaceable from within or without plus selling them got us oodles of cash.

Morgan? Too slow to catch that particular bus plus perhaps the most difficult to replace in many respects. Result? You're staying mate (or only going if we've first got a replacement and you earn us double-oodles).

Simples.
Yeah - biggest LESSON learnt is not to release so many players and all in too short a period. WE GET that there is good money to be made.

It's all been said - SFC Ralph and Les - MUST DO BETTER !!

I will be attending ENOUGH is ENOUGH PROTEST before the next Home Game - Saints Fans do need to have their voices heard after all

Cannot escape from the fact that from an upwardly mobile Club - we have have the heart and spine ripped out of the Team in SAINTS SUMMER OF MADNESS. COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: Every other player over-hyped and easily replaceable from within or without plus selling them got us oodles of cash. Morgan? Too slow to catch that particular bus plus perhaps the most difficult to replace in many respects. Result? You're staying mate (or only going if we've first got a replacement and you earn us double-oodles). Simples.[/p][/quote]Yeah - biggest LESSON learnt is not to release so many players and all in too short a period. WE GET that there is good money to be made. It's all been said - SFC Ralph and Les - MUST DO BETTER !! I will be attending ENOUGH is ENOUGH PROTEST before the next Home Game - Saints Fans do need to have their voices heard after all Cannot escape from the fact that from an upwardly mobile Club - we have have the heart and spine ripped out of the Team in SAINTS SUMMER OF MADNESS. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -17

11:16am Thu 31 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.
Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.
Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did.

Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans.

We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence.

TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS
YOU can give 100+ Minus Points - READ today's Daily Echo Centre Pages ......... CLUELESS.

COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.[/p][/quote]Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.[/p][/quote]Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did. Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans. We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence. TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]YOU can give 100+ Minus Points - READ today's Daily Echo Centre Pages ......... CLUELESS. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 0

11:18am Thu 31 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.
Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.
They are disgusting vulture clubs because they hang around waiting to pick up something on the cheap without doing any work to get it.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.[/p][/quote]Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.[/p][/quote]They are disgusting vulture clubs because they hang around waiting to pick up something on the cheap without doing any work to get it. Clever Dick
  • Score: 8

11:21am Thu 31 Jul 14

Alicesdad says...

Getting bored now, and the Echo is just re-running previous thoughts from these threads from the last few days.

In all honesty I can see Snidey going in January - but Krueger / Reed better hope we make a good start to the season to lessen the impact of Snidey's departure.
An altenative scenario is that he is made club Captain, unreservedly apologises for his twatter comments, stops acting like a kid .. and then the fans would probably put it all behind them...... (how likely is this? Yeah right .. but I thought Puncheon was dogmeat once and he turned it all around)

One separate point on somebody elses comment- it would be a matter of great stupidity to make announcements of who we are after. It would alert other clubs and remove any advantage we gained from our investigations and searches. Hello !!! Which bit of that is hard to understand?

When we do hear news it is often pure press speculation. Look at the bilge and contradictions that are being circulated about the Osvaldo situation. The best we can do is loan him out so someone else pays his wages - who is going to buy him with his reputation? We were done over there, pure and simple and we could be stuck with him and various loan deals for a very long time.
Getting bored now, and the Echo is just re-running previous thoughts from these threads from the last few days. In all honesty I can see Snidey going in January - but Krueger / Reed better hope we make a good start to the season to lessen the impact of Snidey's departure. An altenative scenario is that he is made club Captain, unreservedly apologises for his twatter comments, stops acting like a kid .. and then the fans would probably put it all behind them...... (how likely is this? Yeah right .. but I thought Puncheon was dogmeat once and he turned it all around) One separate point on somebody elses comment- it would be a matter of great stupidity to make announcements of who we are after. It would alert other clubs and remove any advantage we gained from our investigations and searches. Hello !!! Which bit of that is hard to understand? When we do hear news it is often pure press speculation. Look at the bilge and contradictions that are being circulated about the Osvaldo situation. The best we can do is loan him out so someone else pays his wages - who is going to buy him with his reputation? We were done over there, pure and simple and we could be stuck with him and various loan deals for a very long time. Alicesdad
  • Score: 3

11:21am Thu 31 Jul 14

InsideOutCat says...

So what the DE is actually saying is that, because he decided he wanted to stick two fingers up to the club, the supporters and his contract and run off in pursuit of a great big sack of cash, but didn't do it until after the door had been closed, that he is somehow an injured and innocent party.

If they kept quiet instead of trying to wring every drop of argument out of the situation; if Morgan knuckles down and acts like the professional he has been until now, then there's a good chance that both sides can forgive, if not forget.

Anyone would think our local paper didn't want a happy ending to this episode.
So what the DE is actually saying is that, because he decided he wanted to stick two fingers up to the club, the supporters and his contract and run off in pursuit of a great big sack of cash, but didn't do it until after the door had been closed, that he is somehow an injured and innocent party. If they kept quiet instead of trying to wring every drop of argument out of the situation; if Morgan knuckles down and acts like the professional he has been until now, then there's a good chance that both sides can forgive, if not forget. Anyone would think our local paper didn't want a happy ending to this episode. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 16

11:25am Thu 31 Jul 14

milton road says...

Basically Morgan you are the best player, Lallana has the glitz but you have the power. I know it does not seem like it but a huge compliment that we will not let you go in this window.


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Why go to spurs anyway you are better than that?
Basically Morgan you are the best player, Lallana has the glitz but you have the power. I know it does not seem like it but a huge compliment that we will not let you go in this window. Jul 30, 2014 21:27 By Alex Crook The Argentinean international left-back is the subject of a £10m bid while the Algerian midfielder has been offered on a season-long loan 77 Shares Share Tweet +1 Email AFP/Getty Double trouble: Both Rojo and Taider could join soon with Biabiany also being eyed Southampton are close to completing a double swoop for Argentina World Cup star Marcos Rojo and Inter Milan midfielder Saphir Taider. http://www.mirror.co .uk/sport/football/t ransfer-news/southam pton-closing-marcos- rojo-saphir-3939148# ixzz3921e5Pfb Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook Maybe if this sort of player comes you will see your future here. Why go to spurs anyway you are better than that? milton road
  • Score: 3

11:26am Thu 31 Jul 14

Shareholder says...

Well done the Echo! Another priceless piece of two faced journalism. Not content with the Board digging its heels in and stopping any more sales you go and stoke the flames of dissent again. I'm sure you're helping the situation greatly. Morgan reads this and feels even more upset. You bleat on when players are being sold and now you have sympathy with another player who wants away. You accuse the Board of not being tough enough then criticise them for putting their foot down. Your duplicity beggars belief!

Why not try a different tack? Something like this:

The Saints Board, recognising that ridiculously over inflated fees could be earned from selling a group of over egotistical players who can be replaced by similar or better players for less money have cashed in and provided their manager with one of the biggest transfer pots in the Premier League. One player who can't so easily be replaced however is Morgan Schneiderlin, a player who new manager Ronald Koeman wants to build his new team around and take it to the next level. Schneiderlin is the lynch pin around who the team clicks and his versatility in midfield, either in a defensive or attacking roles makes him a rare commodity, one too precious to lose especially to a team like Spurs who Saints will see as a competitor in their quest for European football. Of course he may be disappointed not to be moving but he needs to give the new regime time to prove that it's sincere when it says it wants to go further than was achieved last time out. And that will include having Jay Rodriguez fit and playing in the team as well. He too is not easily replaced. Strikers with his pace, skill and goal scoring abilities are also hard to find and even harder to get to work in your playing system. Saints already know all about him and he has already proved he's perfect for Saints' style of play. So come on guys, put away your immediate disappointments and look up and look forward. The club love you, your fellow players love you, the fans love you. The future is still exciting - go and grab it.

Now, wouldn't that be a better way to reflect things?
Well done the Echo! Another priceless piece of two faced journalism. Not content with the Board digging its heels in and stopping any more sales you go and stoke the flames of dissent again. I'm sure you're helping the situation greatly. Morgan reads this and feels even more upset. You bleat on when players are being sold and now you have sympathy with another player who wants away. You accuse the Board of not being tough enough then criticise them for putting their foot down. Your duplicity beggars belief! Why not try a different tack? Something like this: The Saints Board, recognising that ridiculously over inflated fees could be earned from selling a group of over egotistical players who can be replaced by similar or better players for less money have cashed in and provided their manager with one of the biggest transfer pots in the Premier League. One player who can't so easily be replaced however is Morgan Schneiderlin, a player who new manager Ronald Koeman wants to build his new team around and take it to the next level. Schneiderlin is the lynch pin around who the team clicks and his versatility in midfield, either in a defensive or attacking roles makes him a rare commodity, one too precious to lose especially to a team like Spurs who Saints will see as a competitor in their quest for European football. Of course he may be disappointed not to be moving but he needs to give the new regime time to prove that it's sincere when it says it wants to go further than was achieved last time out. And that will include having Jay Rodriguez fit and playing in the team as well. He too is not easily replaced. Strikers with his pace, skill and goal scoring abilities are also hard to find and even harder to get to work in your playing system. Saints already know all about him and he has already proved he's perfect for Saints' style of play. So come on guys, put away your immediate disappointments and look up and look forward. The club love you, your fellow players love you, the fans love you. The future is still exciting - go and grab it. Now, wouldn't that be a better way to reflect things? Shareholder
  • Score: 23

11:27am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

st.ranger wrote:
Why you? Because you have more value in the contract than they were offering the club. You will of course be offered a reasonable wage and the possibility of 30+matches a season in the premier league. I doubt that you will becaptain with that attitude though.
A great assessment. I like to think it is because of all the players involved in the recent/current dissent he is THE ONE, the best all round footballer of the bunch and should be central to our future. Many of the fans see it this way and I guess Rambo must see something or he'd have been gone too.
Cannot be considered captain for this season at least - he's rather foolishly and unnecessarily shot himself in the foot.
Freddie has painted himself in the corner with being so emphatic about it on radio so it could turn into a bit who p's further up the tree stand off.
Morgan should be above this and I suspect an arrangement could be made where both sides come out smiling - for example he agrees to soldier on wit a proviso that if he still wants to go at the end of the we assist him in doing so. This would give us another season to bed in new faces and everybody including the fans for the first time in a long time is a winner.
I really do not want to lose him but I guess if he wants to go it is inevitable he will. The only one who comes even close to that over used word irreplaceable.
[quote][p][bold]st.ranger[/bold] wrote: Why you? Because you have more value in the contract than they were offering the club. You will of course be offered a reasonable wage and the possibility of 30+matches a season in the premier league. I doubt that you will becaptain with that attitude though.[/p][/quote]A great assessment. I like to think it is because of all the players involved in the recent/current dissent he is THE ONE, the best all round footballer of the bunch and should be central to our future. Many of the fans see it this way and I guess Rambo must see something or he'd have been gone too. Cannot be considered captain for this season at least - he's rather foolishly and unnecessarily shot himself in the foot. Freddie has painted himself in the corner with being so emphatic about it on radio so it could turn into a bit who p's further up the tree stand off. Morgan should be above this and I suspect an arrangement could be made where both sides come out smiling - for example he agrees to soldier on wit a proviso that if he still wants to go at the end of the we assist him in doing so. This would give us another season to bed in new faces and everybody including the fans for the first time in a long time is a winner. I really do not want to lose him but I guess if he wants to go it is inevitable he will. The only one who comes even close to that over used word irreplaceable. jls217
  • Score: 5

11:29am Thu 31 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.
Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.
They are disgusting vulture clubs because they hang around waiting to pick up something on the cheap without doing any work to get it.
Well every one is saying we got top dollar so that belies the cheap bit.

We have just received £96m for players that cost us £9m. Everyone says we couldn't afford the wages to keep them, well I'm not too sure why established players will want to join us if we're not going to increase their current income.

Ralph has now made a statement that Morgan isn't going anywhere whether other clubs (Arsenal/Tottenham) or the player himself likes it or not. A different chairman might have said that about all the players at the beginning of the window - and I don't just mean Cortese.

And by the way are we now the vulture for wanting to sign players from Celtic?
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.[/p][/quote]Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.[/p][/quote]They are disgusting vulture clubs because they hang around waiting to pick up something on the cheap without doing any work to get it.[/p][/quote]Well every one is saying we got top dollar so that belies the cheap bit. We have just received £96m for players that cost us £9m. Everyone says we couldn't afford the wages to keep them, well I'm not too sure why established players will want to join us if we're not going to increase their current income. Ralph has now made a statement that Morgan isn't going anywhere whether other clubs (Arsenal/Tottenham) or the player himself likes it or not. A different chairman might have said that about all the players at the beginning of the window - and I don't just mean Cortese. And by the way are we now the vulture for wanting to sign players from Celtic? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -8

11:29am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Shareholder wrote:
Well done the Echo! Another priceless piece of two faced journalism. Not content with the Board digging its heels in and stopping any more sales you go and stoke the flames of dissent again. I'm sure you're helping the situation greatly. Morgan reads this and feels even more upset. You bleat on when players are being sold and now you have sympathy with another player who wants away. You accuse the Board of not being tough enough then criticise them for putting their foot down. Your duplicity beggars belief!

Why not try a different tack? Something like this:

The Saints Board, recognising that ridiculously over inflated fees could be earned from selling a group of over egotistical players who can be replaced by similar or better players for less money have cashed in and provided their manager with one of the biggest transfer pots in the Premier League. One player who can't so easily be replaced however is Morgan Schneiderlin, a player who new manager Ronald Koeman wants to build his new team around and take it to the next level. Schneiderlin is the lynch pin around who the team clicks and his versatility in midfield, either in a defensive or attacking roles makes him a rare commodity, one too precious to lose especially to a team like Spurs who Saints will see as a competitor in their quest for European football. Of course he may be disappointed not to be moving but he needs to give the new regime time to prove that it's sincere when it says it wants to go further than was achieved last time out. And that will include having Jay Rodriguez fit and playing in the team as well. He too is not easily replaced. Strikers with his pace, skill and goal scoring abilities are also hard to find and even harder to get to work in your playing system. Saints already know all about him and he has already proved he's perfect for Saints' style of play. So come on guys, put away your immediate disappointments and look up and look forward. The club love you, your fellow players love you, the fans love you. The future is still exciting - go and grab it.

Now, wouldn't that be a better way to reflect things?
You might just have typed yourself into a PR jobs at St. Mary's be careful it's not you that gets "The wrath" instead of poor old Leslie.
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: Well done the Echo! Another priceless piece of two faced journalism. Not content with the Board digging its heels in and stopping any more sales you go and stoke the flames of dissent again. I'm sure you're helping the situation greatly. Morgan reads this and feels even more upset. You bleat on when players are being sold and now you have sympathy with another player who wants away. You accuse the Board of not being tough enough then criticise them for putting their foot down. Your duplicity beggars belief! Why not try a different tack? Something like this: The Saints Board, recognising that ridiculously over inflated fees could be earned from selling a group of over egotistical players who can be replaced by similar or better players for less money have cashed in and provided their manager with one of the biggest transfer pots in the Premier League. One player who can't so easily be replaced however is Morgan Schneiderlin, a player who new manager Ronald Koeman wants to build his new team around and take it to the next level. Schneiderlin is the lynch pin around who the team clicks and his versatility in midfield, either in a defensive or attacking roles makes him a rare commodity, one too precious to lose especially to a team like Spurs who Saints will see as a competitor in their quest for European football. Of course he may be disappointed not to be moving but he needs to give the new regime time to prove that it's sincere when it says it wants to go further than was achieved last time out. And that will include having Jay Rodriguez fit and playing in the team as well. He too is not easily replaced. Strikers with his pace, skill and goal scoring abilities are also hard to find and even harder to get to work in your playing system. Saints already know all about him and he has already proved he's perfect for Saints' style of play. So come on guys, put away your immediate disappointments and look up and look forward. The club love you, your fellow players love you, the fans love you. The future is still exciting - go and grab it. Now, wouldn't that be a better way to reflect things?[/p][/quote]You might just have typed yourself into a PR jobs at St. Mary's be careful it's not you that gets "The wrath" instead of poor old Leslie. jls217
  • Score: 3

11:30am Thu 31 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

AND after all this collecting big pots of money we just have to dish it out again in building a Team ....

THINK OF THE FANS ...

How many of us are going to go HOME and AWAY to see a mid Table finish if lucky and that's if we GET MORE PLAYERS IN NOW and the usual sell out in the Cup Competitions .. because Wreck it Ralph let all our Top Players go .... and Les Reed is not good enough at this level to get the type of Players in that we need.

LET'S GET THE WIN TONIGHT COYR+WS
AND after all this collecting big pots of money we just have to dish it out again in building a Team .... THINK OF THE FANS ... How many of us are going to go HOME and AWAY to see a mid Table finish if lucky and that's if we GET MORE PLAYERS IN NOW and the usual sell out in the Cup Competitions .. because Wreck it Ralph let all our Top Players go .... and Les Reed is not good enough at this level to get the type of Players in that we need. LET'S GET THE WIN TONIGHT COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -4

11:31am Thu 31 Jul 14

insider1234 says...

Morgan should be more upset with Arsenal/Spurs waiting so long before making a bid. If they had struck before Liverpool , Man U offered over the odds for our players (all these sales have been questioned by their own fans as being too much). Had Spurs put in 27m last month we probably would have taken it and told Dejan to say put.
Morgan should give us until January to bed together a new squad, then if he still wants to go then he can agree a move to Arsenal (not spurs) to happen in June.
We need him this season for continuity.
Morgan should be more upset with Arsenal/Spurs waiting so long before making a bid. If they had struck before Liverpool , Man U offered over the odds for our players (all these sales have been questioned by their own fans as being too much). Had Spurs put in 27m last month we probably would have taken it and told Dejan to say put. Morgan should give us until January to bed together a new squad, then if he still wants to go then he can agree a move to Arsenal (not spurs) to happen in June. We need him this season for continuity. insider1234
  • Score: 4

11:31am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

milton road wrote:
Basically Morgan you are the best player, Lallana has the glitz but you have the power. I know it does not seem like it but a huge compliment that we will not let you go in this window.


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Maybe if this sort of player comes you will see your future here.
Why go to spurs anyway you are better than that?
Saphir, according to sources on here has refused to join Saints - his you tube films are pretty good.
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Basically Morgan you are the best player, Lallana has the glitz but you have the power. I know it does not seem like it but a huge compliment that we will not let you go in this window. Jul 30, 2014 21:27 By Alex Crook The Argentinean international left-back is the subject of a £10m bid while the Algerian midfielder has been offered on a season-long loan 77 Shares Share Tweet +1 Email AFP/Getty Double trouble: Both Rojo and Taider could join soon with Biabiany also being eyed Southampton are close to completing a double swoop for Argentina World Cup star Marcos Rojo and Inter Milan midfielder Saphir Taider. http://www.mirror.co .uk/sport/football/t ransfer-news/southam pton-closing-marcos- rojo-saphir-3939148# ixzz3921e5Pfb Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook Maybe if this sort of player comes you will see your future here. Why go to spurs anyway you are better than that?[/p][/quote]Saphir, according to sources on here has refused to join Saints - his you tube films are pretty good. jls217
  • Score: -2

11:34am Thu 31 Jul 14

notaclue says...

We value Spider at close to £30m and I believe we were offered £13m for him. If anyone is stupid enough to offer £25m to £30m then he can be replaced with a player that does want to play here.

If you want to leave then find a team to pay that for you!
We value Spider at close to £30m and I believe we were offered £13m for him. If anyone is stupid enough to offer £25m to £30m then he can be replaced with a player that does want to play here. If you want to leave then find a team to pay that for you! notaclue
  • Score: 4

11:37am Thu 31 Jul 14

malcher says...

The Finnial Fair(anything but) rules mean that clubs lik eours can't pay he very hih wages some players demand, even if we wanted to and the owner was willing to bankrole it! No more Abromovich or Sheik Mansoors could transform ordinary teams. The FFR are to stop any one else joining the"top teams party".
As for Morgan he is the one I don't want to lose. The engine room and best ad most influential member of the team in my estimation.
Welcome to Ryan and hope more follow very soon.Be nice if hey knew each other at Anfield
COYR (and white sripes)
The Finnial Fair(anything but) rules mean that clubs lik eours can't pay he very hih wages some players demand, even if we wanted to and the owner was willing to bankrole it! No more Abromovich or Sheik Mansoors could transform ordinary teams. The FFR are to stop any one else joining the"top teams party". As for Morgan he is the one I don't want to lose. The engine room and best ad most influential member of the team in my estimation. Welcome to Ryan and hope more follow very soon.Be nice if hey knew each other at Anfield COYR (and white sripes) malcher
  • Score: 6

11:38am Thu 31 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

He was plain wrong to go on twitter but I get why he might be miffed. But Spurs??? Why not give us another season to help stabilise in our hour of need, become a legend and leave for a better club next summer with our blessing. He's only 24, whats the rush? Besides, some reports suggest Spurs offered £13m. How can he expect us to sell him if there wasn't a serious offer on the table.
He was plain wrong to go on twitter but I get why he might be miffed. But Spurs??? Why not give us another season to help stabilise in our hour of need, become a legend and leave for a better club next summer with our blessing. He's only 24, whats the rush? Besides, some reports suggest Spurs offered £13m. How can he expect us to sell him if there wasn't a serious offer on the table. Mosschops
  • Score: 10

11:39am Thu 31 Jul 14

bullsbags says...

HA WILL BE GONE BY THE END OF THE WINDOW
END OF!
HA WILL BE GONE BY THE END OF THE WINDOW END OF! bullsbags
  • Score: -20

11:49am Thu 31 Jul 14

Shareholder says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.
Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.
Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did.

Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans.

We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence.

TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS
What a load of old cobblers! Have you forgotten the mayhem Cortese caused when he left the club stating that its ambition had been lost? That he continued in the same vein thereafter even recently by saying he wouldn't have sold the players? Easy to say when you aren't in the job, not so easy when you are and the agents want a fat pay day and the players want the huge wages the FFP won't allow you to pay. And have you forgotten how Pochettino left also saying the ambition has gone? An easy-to-sell line is that one when you want an excuse to cover up your own greed and selfishness. And have you missed that those two sold that line to the players too? Cortese to undermine the owner, Pochettino to make it easier to buy them for his new club. And have you also forgotten that Cortese bought Les Reed to the club and that he dealt with player purchase and development so nothing has changed there. The fact is there was poison at the very heart of the club and the new Board have had to sort it out. Or do you deny the antics of Cortese, Pochettino, Lallana, Shaw and Lovren? Get the scales from your eyes and see what's really been happening. It's about time people started blaming the real turncoats and disloyal swines and support the club again. Unless you'd rather be another Cardiff that is!
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.[/p][/quote]Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.[/p][/quote]Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did. Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans. We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence. TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]What a load of old cobblers! Have you forgotten the mayhem Cortese caused when he left the club stating that its ambition had been lost? That he continued in the same vein thereafter even recently by saying he wouldn't have sold the players? Easy to say when you aren't in the job, not so easy when you are and the agents want a fat pay day and the players want the huge wages the FFP won't allow you to pay. And have you forgotten how Pochettino left also saying the ambition has gone? An easy-to-sell line is that one when you want an excuse to cover up your own greed and selfishness. And have you missed that those two sold that line to the players too? Cortese to undermine the owner, Pochettino to make it easier to buy them for his new club. And have you also forgotten that Cortese bought Les Reed to the club and that he dealt with player purchase and development so nothing has changed there. The fact is there was poison at the very heart of the club and the new Board have had to sort it out. Or do you deny the antics of Cortese, Pochettino, Lallana, Shaw and Lovren? Get the scales from your eyes and see what's really been happening. It's about time people started blaming the real turncoats and disloyal swines and support the club again. Unless you'd rather be another Cardiff that is! Shareholder
  • Score: 20

11:49am Thu 31 Jul 14

Numpty Girl says...

costa gaz wrote:
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.[/p][/quote]Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right. Numpty Girl
  • Score: -17

11:52am Thu 31 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

I've been advocating the club's new stance since May and am delighted with the tough stance, but agree it is a shame it couldn't have been done at the Lovren stage, as Morgan's situation is no different to Adam's in terms of loyal service.

That said, Morgan should fully understand that we can't afford to lose more than half our team in one go and, if he actually cares about the club and fans in anyway, he will think about this and agree to knuckle down. Then, if he is still unhappy in a year's time (who knows where Spurs will be by then and who will be in charge), if we are in a stable position where we can afford to lose him and it works for both parties, fine.

But we can't afford to lose him now and he should understand that.

Wouldn't it be great if he can out and made a statement to that effect?

Come on Morgan you know you want to.
I've been advocating the club's new stance since May and am delighted with the tough stance, but agree it is a shame it couldn't have been done at the Lovren stage, as Morgan's situation is no different to Adam's in terms of loyal service. That said, Morgan should fully understand that we can't afford to lose more than half our team in one go and, if he actually cares about the club and fans in anyway, he will think about this and agree to knuckle down. Then, if he is still unhappy in a year's time (who knows where Spurs will be by then and who will be in charge), if we are in a stable position where we can afford to lose him and it works for both parties, fine. But we can't afford to lose him now and he should understand that. Wouldn't it be great if he can out and made a statement to that effect? Come on Morgan you know you want to. SaintJD
  • Score: 9

11:58am Thu 31 Jul 14

Confucious says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.
Do you ever have any lucid moments?
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.[/p][/quote]Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.[/p][/quote]Do you ever have any lucid moments? Confucious
  • Score: 15

12:00pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Shareholder says...

jls217 wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
Well done the Echo! Another priceless piece of two faced journalism. Not content with the Board digging its heels in and stopping any more sales you go and stoke the flames of dissent again. I'm sure you're helping the situation greatly. Morgan reads this and feels even more upset. You bleat on when players are being sold and now you have sympathy with another player who wants away. You accuse the Board of not being tough enough then criticise them for putting their foot down. Your duplicity beggars belief!

Why not try a different tack? Something like this:

The Saints Board, recognising that ridiculously over inflated fees could be earned from selling a group of over egotistical players who can be replaced by similar or better players for less money have cashed in and provided their manager with one of the biggest transfer pots in the Premier League. One player who can't so easily be replaced however is Morgan Schneiderlin, a player who new manager Ronald Koeman wants to build his new team around and take it to the next level. Schneiderlin is the lynch pin around who the team clicks and his versatility in midfield, either in a defensive or attacking roles makes him a rare commodity, one too precious to lose especially to a team like Spurs who Saints will see as a competitor in their quest for European football. Of course he may be disappointed not to be moving but he needs to give the new regime time to prove that it's sincere when it says it wants to go further than was achieved last time out. And that will include having Jay Rodriguez fit and playing in the team as well. He too is not easily replaced. Strikers with his pace, skill and goal scoring abilities are also hard to find and even harder to get to work in your playing system. Saints already know all about him and he has already proved he's perfect for Saints' style of play. So come on guys, put away your immediate disappointments and look up and look forward. The club love you, your fellow players love you, the fans love you. The future is still exciting - go and grab it.

Now, wouldn't that be a better way to reflect things?
You might just have typed yourself into a PR jobs at St. Mary's be careful it's not you that gets "The wrath" instead of poor old Leslie.
I could care less about that. I just happen to think that's what the club think about Schneiderlin and Rodriguez. All I'm saying is that the Echo could help by being positive rather than stoking up the player and the fans. But while it gets us all on here every day stacking up the page hits and satisfying advertisers I suppose nothing will change. The paper is like the players - only interested in what's best for them.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: Well done the Echo! Another priceless piece of two faced journalism. Not content with the Board digging its heels in and stopping any more sales you go and stoke the flames of dissent again. I'm sure you're helping the situation greatly. Morgan reads this and feels even more upset. You bleat on when players are being sold and now you have sympathy with another player who wants away. You accuse the Board of not being tough enough then criticise them for putting their foot down. Your duplicity beggars belief! Why not try a different tack? Something like this: The Saints Board, recognising that ridiculously over inflated fees could be earned from selling a group of over egotistical players who can be replaced by similar or better players for less money have cashed in and provided their manager with one of the biggest transfer pots in the Premier League. One player who can't so easily be replaced however is Morgan Schneiderlin, a player who new manager Ronald Koeman wants to build his new team around and take it to the next level. Schneiderlin is the lynch pin around who the team clicks and his versatility in midfield, either in a defensive or attacking roles makes him a rare commodity, one too precious to lose especially to a team like Spurs who Saints will see as a competitor in their quest for European football. Of course he may be disappointed not to be moving but he needs to give the new regime time to prove that it's sincere when it says it wants to go further than was achieved last time out. And that will include having Jay Rodriguez fit and playing in the team as well. He too is not easily replaced. Strikers with his pace, skill and goal scoring abilities are also hard to find and even harder to get to work in your playing system. Saints already know all about him and he has already proved he's perfect for Saints' style of play. So come on guys, put away your immediate disappointments and look up and look forward. The club love you, your fellow players love you, the fans love you. The future is still exciting - go and grab it. Now, wouldn't that be a better way to reflect things?[/p][/quote]You might just have typed yourself into a PR jobs at St. Mary's be careful it's not you that gets "The wrath" instead of poor old Leslie.[/p][/quote]I could care less about that. I just happen to think that's what the club think about Schneiderlin and Rodriguez. All I'm saying is that the Echo could help by being positive rather than stoking up the player and the fans. But while it gets us all on here every day stacking up the page hits and satisfying advertisers I suppose nothing will change. The paper is like the players - only interested in what's best for them. Shareholder
  • Score: 6

12:02pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

I have asked the same question on here since we sold lambert and no one has answered it.
Why were the players sold so quickly after the window had opened ?
Transfers could have granted on the condition we got our replacements first.it was all done on the buying clubs terms.thats what really p isses me off.
I have asked the same question on here since we sold lambert and no one has answered it. Why were the players sold so quickly after the window had opened ? Transfers could have granted on the condition we got our replacements first.it was all done on the buying clubs terms.thats what really p isses me off. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -3

12:05pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Shareholder says...

Confucious wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.
Do you ever have any lucid moments?
Ha ha! Like I said yesterday Confusions, the name says it all!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.[/p][/quote]Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.[/p][/quote]Do you ever have any lucid moments?[/p][/quote]Ha ha! Like I said yesterday Confusions, the name says it all! Shareholder
  • Score: 3

12:14pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Confucious wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.
Do you ever have any lucid moments?
Time will prove her right.

Those of you accusing the 'money grabbing greedy ****s' of players want to think about something.

We take many of these academy lads at a very tender age, usually about 9. We have a massive responsibility in doing that, not only to develop their football talent to it's maximum potential but to also look after their academic education and also their pastural care. We are not just creating footballers we are creating human beings just like the public schools do. They will possess the values they are taught - by the club.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.[/p][/quote]Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.[/p][/quote]Do you ever have any lucid moments?[/p][/quote]Time will prove her right. Those of you accusing the 'money grabbing greedy ****s' of players want to think about something. We take many of these academy lads at a very tender age, usually about 9. We have a massive responsibility in doing that, not only to develop their football talent to it's maximum potential but to also look after their academic education and also their pastural care. We are not just creating footballers we are creating human beings just like the public schools do. They will possess the values they are taught - by the club. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

12:20pm Thu 31 Jul 14

localnews says...

Looks like the Echo are employing Skates to write articles to stir the sh1t
Looks like the Echo are employing Skates to write articles to stir the sh1t localnews
  • Score: 11

12:23pm Thu 31 Jul 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
I have asked the same question on here since we sold lambert and no one has answered it.
Why were the players sold so quickly after the window had opened ?
Transfers could have granted on the condition we got our replacements first.it was all done on the buying clubs terms.thats what really p isses me off.
They happened so quickly because the money involved was ridiculous.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: I have asked the same question on here since we sold lambert and no one has answered it. Why were the players sold so quickly after the window had opened ? Transfers could have granted on the condition we got our replacements first.it was all done on the buying clubs terms.thats what really p isses me off.[/p][/quote]They happened so quickly because the money involved was ridiculous. SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 8

12:25pm Thu 31 Jul 14

martin van tuyl says...

This article has hit the nail on the head. Should Schneiderlin and Rodriguez leave after all, then the board will not have a shred of credibility left. But, even if they do stay, we still need at least 3 or 4 quality replacement coming in....fast. Again, the board's credibility at stake again. We'll soon find out...either way.
This article has hit the nail on the head. Should Schneiderlin and Rodriguez leave after all, then the board will not have a shred of credibility left. But, even if they do stay, we still need at least 3 or 4 quality replacement coming in....fast. Again, the board's credibility at stake again. We'll soon find out...either way. martin van tuyl
  • Score: 0

12:32pm Thu 31 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

costa gaz wrote:
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
This is a weird post Costa Gaz. So the board are weak and have managed the situation terribly, going for the money, but when they take a harder line and don't want to sell at any price this is the wrong thing to do.

If anything they should have done this far sooner, as bizarrely you suggest in your first sentence so they didn't try to force moves.

Hard to see what approach they could take to make you happy - assuming they can't go back in time and do things differently from the start.

After weeks of rubbish we have had two positive days - at least a small reason to be cheerful.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.[/p][/quote]This is a weird post Costa Gaz. So the board are weak and have managed the situation terribly, going for the money, but when they take a harder line and don't want to sell at any price this is the wrong thing to do. If anything they should have done this far sooner, as bizarrely you suggest in your first sentence so they didn't try to force moves. Hard to see what approach they could take to make you happy - assuming they can't go back in time and do things differently from the start. After weeks of rubbish we have had two positive days - at least a small reason to be cheerful. SaintJD
  • Score: 7

12:33pm Thu 31 Jul 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.
Do you ever have any lucid moments?
Time will prove her right.

Those of you accusing the 'money grabbing greedy ****s' of players want to think about something.

We take many of these academy lads at a very tender age, usually about 9. We have a massive responsibility in doing that, not only to develop their football talent to it's maximum potential but to also look after their academic education and also their pastural care. We are not just creating footballers we are creating human beings just like the public schools do. They will possess the values they are taught - by the club.
LMFAO

Do me a favour, seedhouse!

Football is a poor man's sport. Everyone who plays it (pro or amateur) dreams of earning £100k a week and being a millionaire because that's the society we live in today.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.[/p][/quote]Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.[/p][/quote]Do you ever have any lucid moments?[/p][/quote]Time will prove her right. Those of you accusing the 'money grabbing greedy ****s' of players want to think about something. We take many of these academy lads at a very tender age, usually about 9. We have a massive responsibility in doing that, not only to develop their football talent to it's maximum potential but to also look after their academic education and also their pastural care. We are not just creating footballers we are creating human beings just like the public schools do. They will possess the values they are taught - by the club.[/p][/quote]LMFAO Do me a favour, seedhouse! Football is a poor man's sport. Everyone who plays it (pro or amateur) dreams of earning £100k a week and being a millionaire because that's the society we live in today. SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 5

12:38pm Thu 31 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Shareholder wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.
Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.
Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did.

Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans.

We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence.

TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS
What a load of old cobblers! Have you forgotten the mayhem Cortese caused when he left the club stating that its ambition had been lost? That he continued in the same vein thereafter even recently by saying he wouldn't have sold the players? Easy to say when you aren't in the job, not so easy when you are and the agents want a fat pay day and the players want the huge wages the FFP won't allow you to pay. And have you forgotten how Pochettino left also saying the ambition has gone? An easy-to-sell line is that one when you want an excuse to cover up your own greed and selfishness. And have you missed that those two sold that line to the players too? Cortese to undermine the owner, Pochettino to make it easier to buy them for his new club. And have you also forgotten that Cortese bought Les Reed to the club and that he dealt with player purchase and development so nothing has changed there. The fact is there was poison at the very heart of the club and the new Board have had to sort it out. Or do you deny the antics of Cortese, Pochettino, Lallana, Shaw and Lovren? Get the scales from your eyes and see what's really been happening. It's about time people started blaming the real turncoats and disloyal swines and support the club again. Unless you'd rather be another Cardiff that is!
Shareholder - you could even be Les or Ralph - you defend the undefendable.

It is not BLACK OR WHITE - you cannot carte blanche blame the Players as if its the only reason for the recent events. Ralph Krueger - Les Reed and ultimately Katherina bear responsibility for Saints Summer of Mayhem and Madness,

AS SAINTS SUPPORTERS - we do not constantly need to be fed a diet of CRISIS or have tout up with fighting relegation or rebuilding a Team with a resigned air as if it is inevitable.

Most other Clubs and everton are a good example manage their Players and Premier League status pretty well.

It is nothing to be ashamed of but LES REED has reached his level of competence in the Lower Leagues and operating in the bottom half of the Premiership. He DOES NOT HAVE the flair or ability for his position for a TOP PREMIER LEAGUE SIDE with WORLDWIDE aspirations.

RAPLH KRUEGER has failed to impress at every level and if MS walks this Summer - he will no longer be trusted like Les Reed and should recognise the job is TOO BIG FOR HIM - that he is inexperienced and not a footballing man and RESIGN.

COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.[/p][/quote]Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.[/p][/quote]Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did. Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans. We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence. TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]What a load of old cobblers! Have you forgotten the mayhem Cortese caused when he left the club stating that its ambition had been lost? That he continued in the same vein thereafter even recently by saying he wouldn't have sold the players? Easy to say when you aren't in the job, not so easy when you are and the agents want a fat pay day and the players want the huge wages the FFP won't allow you to pay. And have you forgotten how Pochettino left also saying the ambition has gone? An easy-to-sell line is that one when you want an excuse to cover up your own greed and selfishness. And have you missed that those two sold that line to the players too? Cortese to undermine the owner, Pochettino to make it easier to buy them for his new club. And have you also forgotten that Cortese bought Les Reed to the club and that he dealt with player purchase and development so nothing has changed there. The fact is there was poison at the very heart of the club and the new Board have had to sort it out. Or do you deny the antics of Cortese, Pochettino, Lallana, Shaw and Lovren? Get the scales from your eyes and see what's really been happening. It's about time people started blaming the real turncoats and disloyal swines and support the club again. Unless you'd rather be another Cardiff that is![/p][/quote]Shareholder - you could even be Les or Ralph - you defend the undefendable. It is not BLACK OR WHITE - you cannot carte blanche blame the Players as if its the only reason for the recent events. Ralph Krueger - Les Reed and ultimately Katherina bear responsibility for Saints Summer of Mayhem and Madness, AS SAINTS SUPPORTERS - we do not constantly need to be fed a diet of CRISIS or have tout up with fighting relegation or rebuilding a Team with a resigned air as if it is inevitable. Most other Clubs and everton are a good example manage their Players and Premier League status pretty well. It is nothing to be ashamed of but LES REED has reached his level of competence in the Lower Leagues and operating in the bottom half of the Premiership. He DOES NOT HAVE the flair or ability for his position for a TOP PREMIER LEAGUE SIDE with WORLDWIDE aspirations. RAPLH KRUEGER has failed to impress at every level and if MS walks this Summer - he will no longer be trusted like Les Reed and should recognise the job is TOO BIG FOR HIM - that he is inexperienced and not a footballing man and RESIGN. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -9

12:39pm Thu 31 Jul 14

GX Saint says...

The PFA should be providing better guidance to their members in respect of signing contracts. The players want the financial security of a long term deal but they get bent out of shape when they aren't allowed to tear their contracts up when they want a move. Where does Gordon Taylor stand on the Lovrens and Schneiderlins when they want to have their cake and eat it? Where was he when Kenwyne Jones behaved like a c***?
The PFA should be providing better guidance to their members in respect of signing contracts. The players want the financial security of a long term deal but they get bent out of shape when they aren't allowed to tear their contracts up when they want a move. Where does Gordon Taylor stand on the Lovrens and Schneiderlins when they want to have their cake and eat it? Where was he when Kenwyne Jones behaved like a c***? GX Saint
  • Score: 10

12:43pm Thu 31 Jul 14

dockboy says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.
Have you never heard the saying Numpty

Its better to keep your mouth shut and thought a fool,
as to open it and remove all doubt.
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.[/p][/quote]Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.[/p][/quote]Have you never heard the saying Numpty Its better to keep your mouth shut and thought a fool, as to open it and remove all doubt. dockboy
  • Score: 6

12:43pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Linesman says...

The club is not going to get the best out of a player whose heart Is elsewhere.

If a player wants to leave, and the price is right, then let them leave.

Saints have not done badly in the transfer market In the past, and I am sure that that there are replacement players available who would be more than happy to be playing at St Marys.

Does anyone ever think what the fans of clubs think when Saints buy one of their players?

Of course not.

Football is a business that involves buying and selling players.

What puzzles me is that so many have been sold, an so few have been bought.

What are the club doing with all of the cash they have received?

One sure thing, they have not reduced he price of season tickets - in fact, they have gone up.

WHY?
The club is not going to get the best out of a player whose heart Is elsewhere. If a player wants to leave, and the price is right, then let them leave. Saints have not done badly in the transfer market In the past, and I am sure that that there are replacement players available who would be more than happy to be playing at St Marys. Does anyone ever think what the fans of clubs think when Saints buy one of their players? Of course not. Football is a business that involves buying and selling players. What puzzles me is that so many have been sold, an so few have been bought. What are the club doing with all of the cash they have received? One sure thing, they have not reduced he price of season tickets - in fact, they have gone up. WHY? Linesman
  • Score: 0

12:44pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Mosschops says...

Shareholder wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.
Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.
Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did.

Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans.

We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence.

TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS
What a load of old cobblers! Have you forgotten the mayhem Cortese caused when he left the club stating that its ambition had been lost? That he continued in the same vein thereafter even recently by saying he wouldn't have sold the players? Easy to say when you aren't in the job, not so easy when you are and the agents want a fat pay day and the players want the huge wages the FFP won't allow you to pay. And have you forgotten how Pochettino left also saying the ambition has gone? An easy-to-sell line is that one when you want an excuse to cover up your own greed and selfishness. And have you missed that those two sold that line to the players too? Cortese to undermine the owner, Pochettino to make it easier to buy them for his new club. And have you also forgotten that Cortese bought Les Reed to the club and that he dealt with player purchase and development so nothing has changed there. The fact is there was poison at the very heart of the club and the new Board have had to sort it out. Or do you deny the antics of Cortese, Pochettino, Lallana, Shaw and Lovren? Get the scales from your eyes and see what's really been happening. It's about time people started blaming the real turncoats and disloyal swines and support the club again. Unless you'd rather be another Cardiff that is!
Cortese did a great job for us but as far as I know there was only one occasion when a big club came in for one of our players during his reign - Ox. Look what happened. He can say what he likes but there is nothing to back his hypothetical claim he would have kept any of the players this summer if he'd been in charge.
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.[/p][/quote]Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.[/p][/quote]Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did. Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans. We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence. TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]What a load of old cobblers! Have you forgotten the mayhem Cortese caused when he left the club stating that its ambition had been lost? That he continued in the same vein thereafter even recently by saying he wouldn't have sold the players? Easy to say when you aren't in the job, not so easy when you are and the agents want a fat pay day and the players want the huge wages the FFP won't allow you to pay. And have you forgotten how Pochettino left also saying the ambition has gone? An easy-to-sell line is that one when you want an excuse to cover up your own greed and selfishness. And have you missed that those two sold that line to the players too? Cortese to undermine the owner, Pochettino to make it easier to buy them for his new club. And have you also forgotten that Cortese bought Les Reed to the club and that he dealt with player purchase and development so nothing has changed there. The fact is there was poison at the very heart of the club and the new Board have had to sort it out. Or do you deny the antics of Cortese, Pochettino, Lallana, Shaw and Lovren? Get the scales from your eyes and see what's really been happening. It's about time people started blaming the real turncoats and disloyal swines and support the club again. Unless you'd rather be another Cardiff that is![/p][/quote]Cortese did a great job for us but as far as I know there was only one occasion when a big club came in for one of our players during his reign - Ox. Look what happened. He can say what he likes but there is nothing to back his hypothetical claim he would have kept any of the players this summer if he'd been in charge. Mosschops
  • Score: 9

12:46pm Thu 31 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.
Numpty Girl - I applaud you for posting what ECHO and lots of SAINTS FANS see and representative of a good chunk of the fan base.

Constant POSITIVE POSTING for the sake of it like Osprey Saint or SWEEPING ISSUES under the carpet hoping and praying it will alright is not the way ahead.

An UNYIELDING acceptance of hierarchy - as if those person always get it right or know what they are doing is a fools paradise.

LET'S WIN TONIGHT - not long before B&HA become the largest Club in the South for seating Capacity. COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.[/p][/quote]Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.[/p][/quote]Numpty Girl - I applaud you for posting what ECHO and lots of SAINTS FANS see and representative of a good chunk of the fan base. Constant POSITIVE POSTING for the sake of it like Osprey Saint or SWEEPING ISSUES under the carpet hoping and praying it will alright is not the way ahead. An UNYIELDING acceptance of hierarchy - as if those person always get it right or know what they are doing is a fools paradise. LET'S WIN TONIGHT - not long before B&HA become the largest Club in the South for seating Capacity. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -6

12:59pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Churchill Saint says...

I think Morgan's holiday after the world cup may turn out to be very expensive for him. I suspect that if he had engineered his transfer immediately after the WC and before the Chambers transfer, it would have gone through. However, there was so much flak from fans after CC left that the Board HAD to make a strong statement to stop the exodus. MS was next in line, but the barrier came down in front of him.

Having said that, whilst I applaud Ralph's statement and well overdue show of strength, he has made a rod for his own back. If this forum is a poll of Saints fans, a majority would prefer MS to be sold provided the price is right. But Ralph can't allow the sale because he would lose all credibility. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
I think Morgan's holiday after the world cup may turn out to be very expensive for him. I suspect that if he had engineered his transfer immediately after the WC and before the Chambers transfer, it would have gone through. However, there was so much flak from fans after CC left that the Board HAD to make a strong statement to stop the exodus. MS was next in line, but the barrier came down in front of him. Having said that, whilst I applaud Ralph's statement and well overdue show of strength, he has made a rod for his own back. If this forum is a poll of Saints fans, a majority would prefer MS to be sold provided the price is right. But Ralph can't allow the sale because he would lose all credibility. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Churchill Saint
  • Score: 5

1:01pm Thu 31 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.
Do you ever have any lucid moments?
Time will prove her right.

Those of you accusing the 'money grabbing greedy ****s' of players want to think about something.

We take many of these academy lads at a very tender age, usually about 9. We have a massive responsibility in doing that, not only to develop their football talent to it's maximum potential but to also look after their academic education and also their pastural care. We are not just creating footballers we are creating human beings just like the public schools do. They will possess the values they are taught - by the club.
Spot on. Commence saturation bombing of all public schools today!

Get rid of the greed obsessed middle class oiks!

But first remove all the boys who have any ability to play football and send them to the Saints academy for a trial. There won't being many of them they will all be rugby players.

One, two, three, commence bombing now!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.[/p][/quote]Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.[/p][/quote]Do you ever have any lucid moments?[/p][/quote]Time will prove her right. Those of you accusing the 'money grabbing greedy ****s' of players want to think about something. We take many of these academy lads at a very tender age, usually about 9. We have a massive responsibility in doing that, not only to develop their football talent to it's maximum potential but to also look after their academic education and also their pastural care. We are not just creating footballers we are creating human beings just like the public schools do. They will possess the values they are taught - by the club.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Commence saturation bombing of all public schools today! Get rid of the greed obsessed middle class oiks! But first remove all the boys who have any ability to play football and send them to the Saints academy for a trial. There won't being many of them they will all be rugby players. One, two, three, commence bombing now! george chivers
  • Score: -4

1:01pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Jesus_02 says...

jls217 wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
Well done the Echo! Another priceless piece of two faced journalism. Not content with the Board digging its heels in and stopping any more sales you go and stoke the flames of dissent again. I'm sure you're helping the situation greatly. Morgan reads this and feels even more upset. You bleat on when players are being sold and now you have sympathy with another player who wants away. You accuse the Board of not being tough enough then criticise them for putting their foot down. Your duplicity beggars belief!

Why not try a different tack? Something like this:

The Saints Board, recognising that ridiculously over inflated fees could be earned from selling a group of over egotistical players who can be replaced by similar or better players for less money have cashed in and provided their manager with one of the biggest transfer pots in the Premier League. One player who can't so easily be replaced however is Morgan Schneiderlin, a player who new manager Ronald Koeman wants to build his new team around and take it to the next level. Schneiderlin is the lynch pin around who the team clicks and his versatility in midfield, either in a defensive or attacking roles makes him a rare commodity, one too precious to lose especially to a team like Spurs who Saints will see as a competitor in their quest for European football. Of course he may be disappointed not to be moving but he needs to give the new regime time to prove that it's sincere when it says it wants to go further than was achieved last time out. And that will include having Jay Rodriguez fit and playing in the team as well. He too is not easily replaced. Strikers with his pace, skill and goal scoring abilities are also hard to find and even harder to get to work in your playing system. Saints already know all about him and he has already proved he's perfect for Saints' style of play. So come on guys, put away your immediate disappointments and look up and look forward. The club love you, your fellow players love you, the fans love you. The future is still exciting - go and grab it.

Now, wouldn't that be a better way to reflect things?
You might just have typed yourself into a PR jobs at St. Mary's be careful it's not you that gets "The wrath" instead of poor old Leslie.
Considering Morgans tweet I dont think that he got anywhere near that kind of message in private let alone a public show of effection that may have stirred any sort of loyalty he obviously has. Basically I can't help but think that Les Reed ( he who had claimed full responsability for player dealings, then relyed on Ralf to make a statement ) has basically treated the players that have left badly. I don't mean unfairly. I mean badly. The only player that has gone without some sort of controversy is Lambert. 1/5 is not a good record
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: Well done the Echo! Another priceless piece of two faced journalism. Not content with the Board digging its heels in and stopping any more sales you go and stoke the flames of dissent again. I'm sure you're helping the situation greatly. Morgan reads this and feels even more upset. You bleat on when players are being sold and now you have sympathy with another player who wants away. You accuse the Board of not being tough enough then criticise them for putting their foot down. Your duplicity beggars belief! Why not try a different tack? Something like this: The Saints Board, recognising that ridiculously over inflated fees could be earned from selling a group of over egotistical players who can be replaced by similar or better players for less money have cashed in and provided their manager with one of the biggest transfer pots in the Premier League. One player who can't so easily be replaced however is Morgan Schneiderlin, a player who new manager Ronald Koeman wants to build his new team around and take it to the next level. Schneiderlin is the lynch pin around who the team clicks and his versatility in midfield, either in a defensive or attacking roles makes him a rare commodity, one too precious to lose especially to a team like Spurs who Saints will see as a competitor in their quest for European football. Of course he may be disappointed not to be moving but he needs to give the new regime time to prove that it's sincere when it says it wants to go further than was achieved last time out. And that will include having Jay Rodriguez fit and playing in the team as well. He too is not easily replaced. Strikers with his pace, skill and goal scoring abilities are also hard to find and even harder to get to work in your playing system. Saints already know all about him and he has already proved he's perfect for Saints' style of play. So come on guys, put away your immediate disappointments and look up and look forward. The club love you, your fellow players love you, the fans love you. The future is still exciting - go and grab it. Now, wouldn't that be a better way to reflect things?[/p][/quote]You might just have typed yourself into a PR jobs at St. Mary's be careful it's not you that gets "The wrath" instead of poor old Leslie.[/p][/quote]Considering Morgans tweet I dont think that he got anywhere near that kind of message in private let alone a public show of effection that may have stirred any sort of loyalty he obviously has. Basically I can't help but think that Les Reed ( he who had claimed full responsability for player dealings, then relyed on Ralf to make a statement ) has basically treated the players that have left badly. I don't mean unfairly. I mean badly. The only player that has gone without some sort of controversy is Lambert. 1/5 is not a good record Jesus_02
  • Score: 1

1:03pm Thu 31 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Churchill Saint wrote:
I think Morgan's holiday after the world cup may turn out to be very expensive for him. I suspect that if he had engineered his transfer immediately after the WC and before the Chambers transfer, it would have gone through. However, there was so much flak from fans after CC left that the Board HAD to make a strong statement to stop the exodus. MS was next in line, but the barrier came down in front of him.

Having said that, whilst I applaud Ralph's statement and well overdue show of strength, he has made a rod for his own back. If this forum is a poll of Saints fans, a majority would prefer MS to be sold provided the price is right. But Ralph can't allow the sale because he would lose all credibility. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
DAMNED if he sells him or JROD this Summer.

With no credibility left - fans will want him to RESIGN. COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]Churchill Saint[/bold] wrote: I think Morgan's holiday after the world cup may turn out to be very expensive for him. I suspect that if he had engineered his transfer immediately after the WC and before the Chambers transfer, it would have gone through. However, there was so much flak from fans after CC left that the Board HAD to make a strong statement to stop the exodus. MS was next in line, but the barrier came down in front of him. Having said that, whilst I applaud Ralph's statement and well overdue show of strength, he has made a rod for his own back. If this forum is a poll of Saints fans, a majority would prefer MS to be sold provided the price is right. But Ralph can't allow the sale because he would lose all credibility. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.[/p][/quote]DAMNED if he sells him or JROD this Summer. With no credibility left - fans will want him to RESIGN. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 0

1:06pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.
Numpty Girl - I applaud you for posting what ECHO and lots of SAINTS FANS see and representative of a good chunk of the fan base.

Constant POSITIVE POSTING for the sake of it like Osprey Saint or SWEEPING ISSUES under the carpet hoping and praying it will alright is not the way ahead.

An UNYIELDING acceptance of hierarchy - as if those person always get it right or know what they are doing is a fools paradise.

LET'S WIN TONIGHT - not long before B&HA become the largest Club in the South for seating Capacity. COYR+WS
Morgan is a very good player. He undoubtably wants to remain a fixture for his national side. To do this - he needs to play with players at his club who are up at his level. He has been here a while - and perhaps wasn't told the truth about this transfer window. My gut feeling is that if not enough quality arrive - he will be off in the next window.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.[/p][/quote]Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.[/p][/quote]Numpty Girl - I applaud you for posting what ECHO and lots of SAINTS FANS see and representative of a good chunk of the fan base. Constant POSITIVE POSTING for the sake of it like Osprey Saint or SWEEPING ISSUES under the carpet hoping and praying it will alright is not the way ahead. An UNYIELDING acceptance of hierarchy - as if those person always get it right or know what they are doing is a fools paradise. LET'S WIN TONIGHT - not long before B&HA become the largest Club in the South for seating Capacity. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Morgan is a very good player. He undoubtably wants to remain a fixture for his national side. To do this - he needs to play with players at his club who are up at his level. He has been here a while - and perhaps wasn't told the truth about this transfer window. My gut feeling is that if not enough quality arrive - he will be off in the next window. Saints n Winners
  • Score: 3

1:10pm Thu 31 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.
Numpty Girl - I applaud you for posting what ECHO and lots of SAINTS FANS see and representative of a good chunk of the fan base.

Constant POSITIVE POSTING for the sake of it like Osprey Saint or SWEEPING ISSUES under the carpet hoping and praying it will alright is not the way ahead.

An UNYIELDING acceptance of hierarchy - as if those person always get it right or know what they are doing is a fools paradise.

LET'S WIN TONIGHT - not long before B&HA become the largest Club in the South for seating Capacity. COYR+WS
Morgan is a very good player. He undoubtably wants to remain a fixture for his national side. To do this - he needs to play with players at his club who are up at his level. He has been here a while - and perhaps wasn't told the truth about this transfer window. My gut feeling is that if not enough quality arrive - he will be off in the next window.
I LIKE MORGAN - but for me he is not Super Good or anything as a Player.

He is still improving and ONLY A SQUAD PLAYER for the National side.

He can still improve with SAINTS - would you begrudge him a move next Summer or the one after - if he keeps his performance levels up and impresses this Season. COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.[/p][/quote]Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.[/p][/quote]Numpty Girl - I applaud you for posting what ECHO and lots of SAINTS FANS see and representative of a good chunk of the fan base. Constant POSITIVE POSTING for the sake of it like Osprey Saint or SWEEPING ISSUES under the carpet hoping and praying it will alright is not the way ahead. An UNYIELDING acceptance of hierarchy - as if those person always get it right or know what they are doing is a fools paradise. LET'S WIN TONIGHT - not long before B&HA become the largest Club in the South for seating Capacity. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Morgan is a very good player. He undoubtably wants to remain a fixture for his national side. To do this - he needs to play with players at his club who are up at his level. He has been here a while - and perhaps wasn't told the truth about this transfer window. My gut feeling is that if not enough quality arrive - he will be off in the next window.[/p][/quote]I LIKE MORGAN - but for me he is not Super Good or anything as a Player. He is still improving and ONLY A SQUAD PLAYER for the National side. He can still improve with SAINTS - would you begrudge him a move next Summer or the one after - if he keeps his performance levels up and impresses this Season. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 2

1:18pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.
Do you ever have any lucid moments?
Time will prove her right.

Those of you accusing the 'money grabbing greedy ****s' of players want to think about something.

We take many of these academy lads at a very tender age, usually about 9. We have a massive responsibility in doing that, not only to develop their football talent to it's maximum potential but to also look after their academic education and also their pastural care. We are not just creating footballers we are creating human beings just like the public schools do. They will possess the values they are taught - by the club.
LMFAO

Do me a favour, seedhouse!

Football is a poor man's sport. Everyone who plays it (pro or amateur) dreams of earning £100k a week and being a millionaire because that's the society we live in today.
I'm from Woolston give it a rest mate.

My point is that if you don't live locally and your son has been accepted by Saints academy you are going to place your trust in them to look after him properly. To bring him up right, not to allow him to be bullied or buggered etc. Look whats coming out about about the 70's and 80's. There's a lot more involved than just the football side, particularly for the kids who get all the way to 16 or 17 and then get rejected as not good enough and have to rely on their education to make a living outside of football.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.[/p][/quote]Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.[/p][/quote]Do you ever have any lucid moments?[/p][/quote]Time will prove her right. Those of you accusing the 'money grabbing greedy ****s' of players want to think about something. We take many of these academy lads at a very tender age, usually about 9. We have a massive responsibility in doing that, not only to develop their football talent to it's maximum potential but to also look after their academic education and also their pastural care. We are not just creating footballers we are creating human beings just like the public schools do. They will possess the values they are taught - by the club.[/p][/quote]LMFAO Do me a favour, seedhouse! Football is a poor man's sport. Everyone who plays it (pro or amateur) dreams of earning £100k a week and being a millionaire because that's the society we live in today.[/p][/quote]I'm from Woolston give it a rest mate. My point is that if you don't live locally and your son has been accepted by Saints academy you are going to place your trust in them to look after him properly. To bring him up right, not to allow him to be bullied or buggered etc. Look whats coming out about about the 70's and 80's. There's a lot more involved than just the football side, particularly for the kids who get all the way to 16 or 17 and then get rejected as not good enough and have to rely on their education to make a living outside of football. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

1:20pm Thu 31 Jul 14

bullsbags says...

bullsbags wrote:
HA WILL BE GONE BY THE END OF THE WINDOW
END OF!
12 thumbs down for saying he will be gone by the end of the window
Some people just bury theit heads in the sand!
[quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: HA WILL BE GONE BY THE END OF THE WINDOW END OF![/p][/quote]12 thumbs down for saying he will be gone by the end of the window Some people just bury theit heads in the sand! bullsbags
  • Score: -11

1:41pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Stnana says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.
Do you ever have any lucid moments?
Time will prove her right.

Those of you accusing the 'money grabbing greedy ****s' of players want to think about something.

We take many of these academy lads at a very tender age, usually about 9. We have a massive responsibility in doing that, not only to develop their football talent to it's maximum potential but to also look after their academic education and also their pastural care. We are not just creating footballers we are creating human beings just like the public schools do. They will possess the values they are taught - by the club.
LMFAO

Do me a favour, seedhouse!

Football is a poor man's sport. Everyone who plays it (pro or amateur) dreams of earning £100k a week and being a millionaire because that's the society we live in today.
So what you are saying is that their parents and friends have no influence at all once they join Saints academy . You cannot compare their life in the academy to a public school, for a start they do not board they are fostered out to local families. Any teacher will tell you that by the time a child reaches the age of 9 you can rarely influence it's behaviour. Most children have the same values as their parents and some are influenced by their peers. IMO these players had parents, fellow players and a money grabbing manager influencing them. You won't of course believe any of that . Please explain just why you choose to take the word of Jesus above anyone else and refuse to believe that he just may be telling you what he thinks you want to hear. It is unlikely that he would ever have admitted to you that actually they just went for more money and to make another step up the ladder.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.[/p][/quote]Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.[/p][/quote]Do you ever have any lucid moments?[/p][/quote]Time will prove her right. Those of you accusing the 'money grabbing greedy ****s' of players want to think about something. We take many of these academy lads at a very tender age, usually about 9. We have a massive responsibility in doing that, not only to develop their football talent to it's maximum potential but to also look after their academic education and also their pastural care. We are not just creating footballers we are creating human beings just like the public schools do. They will possess the values they are taught - by the club.[/p][/quote]LMFAO Do me a favour, seedhouse! Football is a poor man's sport. Everyone who plays it (pro or amateur) dreams of earning £100k a week and being a millionaire because that's the society we live in today.[/p][/quote]So what you are saying is that their parents and friends have no influence at all once they join Saints academy . You cannot compare their life in the academy to a public school, for a start they do not board they are fostered out to local families. Any teacher will tell you that by the time a child reaches the age of 9 you can rarely influence it's behaviour. Most children have the same values as their parents and some are influenced by their peers. IMO these players had parents, fellow players and a money grabbing manager influencing them. You won't of course believe any of that . Please explain just why you choose to take the word of Jesus above anyone else and refuse to believe that he just may be telling you what he thinks you want to hear. It is unlikely that he would ever have admitted to you that actually they just went for more money and to make another step up the ladder. Stnana
  • Score: 5

1:45pm Thu 31 Jul 14

st bevois says...

This thread should be boycotted imo - along with the other two put up by the DE today. Has the DE just become the biggest WUM of all just looking for hits on its website? Let MS get his head around what is going on. Once he gets his head back into training he will be the same as before - 100% on the pitch I think. He won't be the first disgruntled player to be old NO (although maybe the first at Soton I a long time)! Above anything else we need to get a new CB or two of real quality. That's the one situation that does give me real concern for the new season.
This thread should be boycotted imo - along with the other two put up by the DE today. Has the DE just become the biggest WUM of all just looking for hits on its website? Let MS get his head around what is going on. Once he gets his head back into training he will be the same as before - 100% on the pitch I think. He won't be the first disgruntled player to be old NO (although maybe the first at Soton I a long time)! Above anything else we need to get a new CB or two of real quality. That's the one situation that does give me real concern for the new season. st bevois
  • Score: 1

1:48pm Thu 31 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

Everyone bigging up Ralph, do you realise he let 5 of our best players go to our rivals before finally putting his foot down and saying no more.

If he did this with Morgan, what stopped him doing it with the rest?
Money??


The 'not for sale' stance should be followed by, 'unless the price is right'.
Everyone bigging up Ralph, do you realise he let 5 of our best players go to our rivals before finally putting his foot down and saying no more. If he did this with Morgan, what stopped him doing it with the rest? Money?? The 'not for sale' stance should be followed by, 'unless the price is right'. costa gaz
  • Score: -5

2:03pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Stnana says...

costa gaz wrote:
Everyone bigging up Ralph, do you realise he let 5 of our best players go to our rivals before finally putting his foot down and saying no more.

If he did this with Morgan, what stopped him doing it with the rest?
Money??


The 'not for sale' stance should be followed by, 'unless the price is right'.
7/8 disgruntled money grabbers on the bench rather than 1/2 ?
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Everyone bigging up Ralph, do you realise he let 5 of our best players go to our rivals before finally putting his foot down and saying no more. If he did this with Morgan, what stopped him doing it with the rest? Money?? The 'not for sale' stance should be followed by, 'unless the price is right'.[/p][/quote]7/8 disgruntled money grabbers on the bench rather than 1/2 ? Stnana
  • Score: 2

3:09pm Thu 31 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

Boring, for goodness sake get your **** out of your Cozy little office do some research and write a proper story instead of stirring the s**t all the time.
Boring, for goodness sake get your **** out of your Cozy little office do some research and write a proper story instead of stirring the s**t all the time. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 4

3:13pm Thu 31 Jul 14

SaintSteve76 says...

Mosschops wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.
Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.
Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did.

Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans.

We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence.

TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS
What a load of old cobblers! Have you forgotten the mayhem Cortese caused when he left the club stating that its ambition had been lost? That he continued in the same vein thereafter even recently by saying he wouldn't have sold the players? Easy to say when you aren't in the job, not so easy when you are and the agents want a fat pay day and the players want the huge wages the FFP won't allow you to pay. And have you forgotten how Pochettino left also saying the ambition has gone? An easy-to-sell line is that one when you want an excuse to cover up your own greed and selfishness. And have you missed that those two sold that line to the players too? Cortese to undermine the owner, Pochettino to make it easier to buy them for his new club. And have you also forgotten that Cortese bought Les Reed to the club and that he dealt with player purchase and development so nothing has changed there. The fact is there was poison at the very heart of the club and the new Board have had to sort it out. Or do you deny the antics of Cortese, Pochettino, Lallana, Shaw and Lovren? Get the scales from your eyes and see what's really been happening. It's about time people started blaming the real turncoats and disloyal swines and support the club again. Unless you'd rather be another Cardiff that is!
Cortese did a great job for us but as far as I know there was only one occasion when a big club came in for one of our players during his reign - Ox. Look what happened. He can say what he likes but there is nothing to back his hypothetical claim he would have kept any of the players this summer if he'd been in charge.
I feel like giving up and not wasting my breath but Cotese said on many occasions that there is no point producing fantastic young players just to sell them to your rivals. He also said that other premier league chairman knew and understood no key players were for sale for the foreseeable future. Also, when Cortese was at the club we were buying players of the caliber of Lovren, Wanyama, Ramirez, Osvaldo. Are we still looking at these types of players even though the club has made around £100m in transfer sales? It doesn't seem like it. Also, How many players were happy and signing new contracts when Cortese was at the club? The answer is almost all of them whilst acknowledging that there was a vision and big ambition for the club. Also, how many departed players have stated a lack of ambition at the club since Cortese left? Also, How many players have stated a desire to leave since Cortese left? The answer is most of the players and I ask you why aren't the Everton players all asking to go to Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea etc? Would Pochettino have left had Cortese still been at the club? I'm pretty sure the answer is no. Also, Was Cortese helping to produce a fantastic team capable of breaking into the top six? I personally think we would have got there in the next season or two. Is the club in a better position now to when Cortese was at the club? The answer is definitely no.
[quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.[/p][/quote]Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.[/p][/quote]Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did. Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans. We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence. TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]What a load of old cobblers! Have you forgotten the mayhem Cortese caused when he left the club stating that its ambition had been lost? That he continued in the same vein thereafter even recently by saying he wouldn't have sold the players? Easy to say when you aren't in the job, not so easy when you are and the agents want a fat pay day and the players want the huge wages the FFP won't allow you to pay. And have you forgotten how Pochettino left also saying the ambition has gone? An easy-to-sell line is that one when you want an excuse to cover up your own greed and selfishness. And have you missed that those two sold that line to the players too? Cortese to undermine the owner, Pochettino to make it easier to buy them for his new club. And have you also forgotten that Cortese bought Les Reed to the club and that he dealt with player purchase and development so nothing has changed there. The fact is there was poison at the very heart of the club and the new Board have had to sort it out. Or do you deny the antics of Cortese, Pochettino, Lallana, Shaw and Lovren? Get the scales from your eyes and see what's really been happening. It's about time people started blaming the real turncoats and disloyal swines and support the club again. Unless you'd rather be another Cardiff that is![/p][/quote]Cortese did a great job for us but as far as I know there was only one occasion when a big club came in for one of our players during his reign - Ox. Look what happened. He can say what he likes but there is nothing to back his hypothetical claim he would have kept any of the players this summer if he'd been in charge.[/p][/quote]I feel like giving up and not wasting my breath but Cotese said on many occasions that there is no point producing fantastic young players just to sell them to your rivals. He also said that other premier league chairman knew and understood no key players were for sale for the foreseeable future. Also, when Cortese was at the club we were buying players of the caliber of Lovren, Wanyama, Ramirez, Osvaldo. Are we still looking at these types of players even though the club has made around £100m in transfer sales? It doesn't seem like it. Also, How many players were happy and signing new contracts when Cortese was at the club? The answer is almost all of them whilst acknowledging that there was a vision and big ambition for the club. Also, how many departed players have stated a lack of ambition at the club since Cortese left? Also, How many players have stated a desire to leave since Cortese left? The answer is most of the players and I ask you why aren't the Everton players all asking to go to Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea etc? Would Pochettino have left had Cortese still been at the club? I'm pretty sure the answer is no. Also, Was Cortese helping to produce a fantastic team capable of breaking into the top six? I personally think we would have got there in the next season or two. Is the club in a better position now to when Cortese was at the club? The answer is definitely no. SaintSteve76
  • Score: 0

3:17pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.
Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.
They are disgusting vulture clubs because they hang around waiting to pick up something on the cheap without doing any work to get it.
Well every one is saying we got top dollar so that belies the cheap bit.

We have just received £96m for players that cost us £9m. Everyone says we couldn't afford the wages to keep them, well I'm not too sure why established players will want to join us if we're not going to increase their current income.

Ralph has now made a statement that Morgan isn't going anywhere whether other clubs (Arsenal/Tottenham) or the player himself likes it or not. A different chairman might have said that about all the players at the beginning of the window - and I don't just mean Cortese.

And by the way are we now the vulture for wanting to sign players from Celtic?
We very clearly can't compete_with the top clubs on wages. The two we got from Italy came last year because the Italian leagues_can't compete with the premier league. I wouldn't imagine our two recent signings came in order to take a pay cut either. I agree with you that another chairman may have said that nobody leaves. But there is_a huge difference between having an unsettled player or an entirely unsettled squad. Personally I don't believe NC would have been able to either but it is very easy for him to say that he would now that he is gone. And yes there is_a pecking order. The vultures swoop and think that they can destroy other clubs with their bullying and tapping up tactics. In comparison we are more like magpies .
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.[/p][/quote]Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.[/p][/quote]They are disgusting vulture clubs because they hang around waiting to pick up something on the cheap without doing any work to get it.[/p][/quote]Well every one is saying we got top dollar so that belies the cheap bit. We have just received £96m for players that cost us £9m. Everyone says we couldn't afford the wages to keep them, well I'm not too sure why established players will want to join us if we're not going to increase their current income. Ralph has now made a statement that Morgan isn't going anywhere whether other clubs (Arsenal/Tottenham) or the player himself likes it or not. A different chairman might have said that about all the players at the beginning of the window - and I don't just mean Cortese. And by the way are we now the vulture for wanting to sign players from Celtic?[/p][/quote]We very clearly can't compete_with the top clubs on wages. The two we got from Italy came last year because the Italian leagues_can't compete with the premier league. I wouldn't imagine our two recent signings came in order to take a pay cut either. I agree with you that another chairman may have said that nobody leaves. But there is_a huge difference between having an unsettled player or an entirely unsettled squad. Personally I don't believe NC would have been able to either but it is very easy for him to say that he would now that he is gone. And yes there is_a pecking order. The vultures swoop and think that they can destroy other clubs with their bullying and tapping up tactics. In comparison we are more like magpies . Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

3:18pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Shareholder says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.
Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.
Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did.

Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans.

We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence.

TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS
What a load of old cobblers! Have you forgotten the mayhem Cortese caused when he left the club stating that its ambition had been lost? That he continued in the same vein thereafter even recently by saying he wouldn't have sold the players? Easy to say when you aren't in the job, not so easy when you are and the agents want a fat pay day and the players want the huge wages the FFP won't allow you to pay. And have you forgotten how Pochettino left also saying the ambition has gone? An easy-to-sell line is that one when you want an excuse to cover up your own greed and selfishness. And have you missed that those two sold that line to the players too? Cortese to undermine the owner, Pochettino to make it easier to buy them for his new club. And have you also forgotten that Cortese bought Les Reed to the club and that he dealt with player purchase and development so nothing has changed there. The fact is there was poison at the very heart of the club and the new Board have had to sort it out. Or do you deny the antics of Cortese, Pochettino, Lallana, Shaw and Lovren? Get the scales from your eyes and see what's really been happening. It's about time people started blaming the real turncoats and disloyal swines and support the club again. Unless you'd rather be another Cardiff that is!
Shareholder - you could even be Les or Ralph - you defend the undefendable.

It is not BLACK OR WHITE - you cannot carte blanche blame the Players as if its the only reason for the recent events. Ralph Krueger - Les Reed and ultimately Katherina bear responsibility for Saints Summer of Mayhem and Madness,

AS SAINTS SUPPORTERS - we do not constantly need to be fed a diet of CRISIS or have tout up with fighting relegation or rebuilding a Team with a resigned air as if it is inevitable.

Most other Clubs and everton are a good example manage their Players and Premier League status pretty well.

It is nothing to be ashamed of but LES REED has reached his level of competence in the Lower Leagues and operating in the bottom half of the Premiership. He DOES NOT HAVE the flair or ability for his position for a TOP PREMIER LEAGUE SIDE with WORLDWIDE aspirations.

RAPLH KRUEGER has failed to impress at every level and if MS walks this Summer - he will no longer be trusted like Les Reed and should recognise the job is TOO BIG FOR HIM - that he is inexperienced and not a footballing man and RESIGN.

COYR+WS
What is all this bunkum about a 'footballing man'? You happily trot out praise for Everton who are run by guess what, a footballing man? No, an actor and stage producer! In fact most clubs are run by professional executives - the football bit is left to the coaches and directors of football. The fact that Kreuger has a big reputation in both sport and business eludes you. And what's this tripe about Reed treating the players badly? Apart from giving them all the best contracts they ever had he tried hard to get them to stay. When they said they wouldn't be played hardball to get the best deal. Oh dear, didn't the players get to go as soon as they stamped their little feet? Oh my, how terrible and what a swine Reed was to treat them so. Treated them badly my arse! The only people treating anybody badly have been a bunch of ego maniacs called players who because they have had one good season and been part of rubbish teams that failed at a World Cup think they're God Almighty all of a sudden. I'm not being an apologist for the Board but I don't go along with all this garbage that they're solely to blame. Talk about footballing men? If you were one you'd know exactly what's been going on. But then you aren't a footballing man are you? And according to your own words that doesn't give you any credibility. Ever heard of the phrase 'hoisted by your own petard'?
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.[/p][/quote]Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.[/p][/quote]Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did. Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans. We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence. TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]What a load of old cobblers! Have you forgotten the mayhem Cortese caused when he left the club stating that its ambition had been lost? That he continued in the same vein thereafter even recently by saying he wouldn't have sold the players? Easy to say when you aren't in the job, not so easy when you are and the agents want a fat pay day and the players want the huge wages the FFP won't allow you to pay. And have you forgotten how Pochettino left also saying the ambition has gone? An easy-to-sell line is that one when you want an excuse to cover up your own greed and selfishness. And have you missed that those two sold that line to the players too? Cortese to undermine the owner, Pochettino to make it easier to buy them for his new club. And have you also forgotten that Cortese bought Les Reed to the club and that he dealt with player purchase and development so nothing has changed there. The fact is there was poison at the very heart of the club and the new Board have had to sort it out. Or do you deny the antics of Cortese, Pochettino, Lallana, Shaw and Lovren? Get the scales from your eyes and see what's really been happening. It's about time people started blaming the real turncoats and disloyal swines and support the club again. Unless you'd rather be another Cardiff that is![/p][/quote]Shareholder - you could even be Les or Ralph - you defend the undefendable. It is not BLACK OR WHITE - you cannot carte blanche blame the Players as if its the only reason for the recent events. Ralph Krueger - Les Reed and ultimately Katherina bear responsibility for Saints Summer of Mayhem and Madness, AS SAINTS SUPPORTERS - we do not constantly need to be fed a diet of CRISIS or have tout up with fighting relegation or rebuilding a Team with a resigned air as if it is inevitable. Most other Clubs and everton are a good example manage their Players and Premier League status pretty well. It is nothing to be ashamed of but LES REED has reached his level of competence in the Lower Leagues and operating in the bottom half of the Premiership. He DOES NOT HAVE the flair or ability for his position for a TOP PREMIER LEAGUE SIDE with WORLDWIDE aspirations. RAPLH KRUEGER has failed to impress at every level and if MS walks this Summer - he will no longer be trusted like Les Reed and should recognise the job is TOO BIG FOR HIM - that he is inexperienced and not a footballing man and RESIGN. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]What is all this bunkum about a 'footballing man'? You happily trot out praise for Everton who are run by guess what, a footballing man? No, an actor and stage producer! In fact most clubs are run by professional executives - the football bit is left to the coaches and directors of football. The fact that Kreuger has a big reputation in both sport and business eludes you. And what's this tripe about Reed treating the players badly? Apart from giving them all the best contracts they ever had he tried hard to get them to stay. When they said they wouldn't be played hardball to get the best deal. Oh dear, didn't the players get to go as soon as they stamped their little feet? Oh my, how terrible and what a swine Reed was to treat them so. Treated them badly my arse! The only people treating anybody badly have been a bunch of ego maniacs called players who because they have had one good season and been part of rubbish teams that failed at a World Cup think they're God Almighty all of a sudden. I'm not being an apologist for the Board but I don't go along with all this garbage that they're solely to blame. Talk about footballing men? If you were one you'd know exactly what's been going on. But then you aren't a footballing man are you? And according to your own words that doesn't give you any credibility. Ever heard of the phrase 'hoisted by your own petard'? Shareholder
  • Score: 4

3:30pm Thu 31 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

SaintSteve76 wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.
Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.
Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did.

Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans.

We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence.

TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS
What a load of old cobblers! Have you forgotten the mayhem Cortese caused when he left the club stating that its ambition had been lost? That he continued in the same vein thereafter even recently by saying he wouldn't have sold the players? Easy to say when you aren't in the job, not so easy when you are and the agents want a fat pay day and the players want the huge wages the FFP won't allow you to pay. And have you forgotten how Pochettino left also saying the ambition has gone? An easy-to-sell line is that one when you want an excuse to cover up your own greed and selfishness. And have you missed that those two sold that line to the players too? Cortese to undermine the owner, Pochettino to make it easier to buy them for his new club. And have you also forgotten that Cortese bought Les Reed to the club and that he dealt with player purchase and development so nothing has changed there. The fact is there was poison at the very heart of the club and the new Board have had to sort it out. Or do you deny the antics of Cortese, Pochettino, Lallana, Shaw and Lovren? Get the scales from your eyes and see what's really been happening. It's about time people started blaming the real turncoats and disloyal swines and support the club again. Unless you'd rather be another Cardiff that is!
Cortese did a great job for us but as far as I know there was only one occasion when a big club came in for one of our players during his reign - Ox. Look what happened. He can say what he likes but there is nothing to back his hypothetical claim he would have kept any of the players this summer if he'd been in charge.
I feel like giving up and not wasting my breath but Cotese said on many occasions that there is no point producing fantastic young players just to sell them to your rivals. He also said that other premier league chairman knew and understood no key players were for sale for the foreseeable future. Also, when Cortese was at the club we were buying players of the caliber of Lovren, Wanyama, Ramirez, Osvaldo. Are we still looking at these types of players even though the club has made around £100m in transfer sales? It doesn't seem like it. Also, How many players were happy and signing new contracts when Cortese was at the club? The answer is almost all of them whilst acknowledging that there was a vision and big ambition for the club. Also, how many departed players have stated a lack of ambition at the club since Cortese left? Also, How many players have stated a desire to leave since Cortese left? The answer is most of the players and I ask you why aren't the Everton players all asking to go to Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea etc? Would Pochettino have left had Cortese still been at the club? I'm pretty sure the answer is no. Also, Was Cortese helping to produce a fantastic team capable of breaking into the top six? I personally think we would have got there in the next season or two. Is the club in a better position now to when Cortese was at the club? The answer is definitely no.
The club is in a better position financially since Cortese left, the way Cortese was spending money was only going to end in tears, I must admit he had great vision but it is all to easy to spend someone else's money chasing that dream. The reason Players are not asking to leave Everton is because they are being paid two or three times more a week than we pay our players.
[quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.[/p][/quote]Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.[/p][/quote]Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did. Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans. We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence. TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]What a load of old cobblers! Have you forgotten the mayhem Cortese caused when he left the club stating that its ambition had been lost? That he continued in the same vein thereafter even recently by saying he wouldn't have sold the players? Easy to say when you aren't in the job, not so easy when you are and the agents want a fat pay day and the players want the huge wages the FFP won't allow you to pay. And have you forgotten how Pochettino left also saying the ambition has gone? An easy-to-sell line is that one when you want an excuse to cover up your own greed and selfishness. And have you missed that those two sold that line to the players too? Cortese to undermine the owner, Pochettino to make it easier to buy them for his new club. And have you also forgotten that Cortese bought Les Reed to the club and that he dealt with player purchase and development so nothing has changed there. The fact is there was poison at the very heart of the club and the new Board have had to sort it out. Or do you deny the antics of Cortese, Pochettino, Lallana, Shaw and Lovren? Get the scales from your eyes and see what's really been happening. It's about time people started blaming the real turncoats and disloyal swines and support the club again. Unless you'd rather be another Cardiff that is![/p][/quote]Cortese did a great job for us but as far as I know there was only one occasion when a big club came in for one of our players during his reign - Ox. Look what happened. He can say what he likes but there is nothing to back his hypothetical claim he would have kept any of the players this summer if he'd been in charge.[/p][/quote]I feel like giving up and not wasting my breath but Cotese said on many occasions that there is no point producing fantastic young players just to sell them to your rivals. He also said that other premier league chairman knew and understood no key players were for sale for the foreseeable future. Also, when Cortese was at the club we were buying players of the caliber of Lovren, Wanyama, Ramirez, Osvaldo. Are we still looking at these types of players even though the club has made around £100m in transfer sales? It doesn't seem like it. Also, How many players were happy and signing new contracts when Cortese was at the club? The answer is almost all of them whilst acknowledging that there was a vision and big ambition for the club. Also, how many departed players have stated a lack of ambition at the club since Cortese left? Also, How many players have stated a desire to leave since Cortese left? The answer is most of the players and I ask you why aren't the Everton players all asking to go to Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea etc? Would Pochettino have left had Cortese still been at the club? I'm pretty sure the answer is no. Also, Was Cortese helping to produce a fantastic team capable of breaking into the top six? I personally think we would have got there in the next season or two. Is the club in a better position now to when Cortese was at the club? The answer is definitely no.[/p][/quote]The club is in a better position financially since Cortese left, the way Cortese was spending money was only going to end in tears, I must admit he had great vision but it is all to easy to spend someone else's money chasing that dream. The reason Players are not asking to leave Everton is because they are being paid two or three times more a week than we pay our players. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 3

3:31pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.
Do you ever have any lucid moments?
Time will prove her right.

Those of you accusing the 'money grabbing greedy ****s' of players want to think about something.

We take many of these academy lads at a very tender age, usually about 9. We have a massive responsibility in doing that, not only to develop their football talent to it's maximum potential but to also look after their academic education and also their pastural care. We are not just creating footballers we are creating human beings just like the public schools do. They will possess the values they are taught - by the club.
The club are not brainwashing them.. They are making sure they get an education. Does everybody come out of school with the same values as the teachers? I think not. Unfortunately greed and avarice is the norm these days
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.[/p][/quote]Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.[/p][/quote]Do you ever have any lucid moments?[/p][/quote]Time will prove her right. Those of you accusing the 'money grabbing greedy ****s' of players want to think about something. We take many of these academy lads at a very tender age, usually about 9. We have a massive responsibility in doing that, not only to develop their football talent to it's maximum potential but to also look after their academic education and also their pastural care. We are not just creating footballers we are creating human beings just like the public schools do. They will possess the values they are taught - by the club.[/p][/quote]The club are not brainwashing them.. They are making sure they get an education. Does everybody come out of school with the same values as the teachers? I think not. Unfortunately greed and avarice is the norm these days Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

3:46pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

Linesman wrote:
The club is not going to get the best out of a player whose heart Is elsewhere.

If a player wants to leave, and the price is right, then let them leave.

Saints have not done badly in the transfer market In the past, and I am sure that that there are replacement players available who would be more than happy to be playing at St Marys.

Does anyone ever think what the fans of clubs think when Saints buy one of their players?

Of course not.

Football is a business that involves buying and selling players.

What puzzles me is that so many have been sold, an so few have been bought.

What are the club doing with all of the cash they have received?

One sure thing, they have not reduced he price of season tickets - in fact, they have gone up.

WHY?
Yeah that's right.Skiverpool would have won the league last year if they'd got a bit more out of bugs bunny. I,m sure they won't miss all his goals and assists from last season.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: The club is not going to get the best out of a player whose heart Is elsewhere. If a player wants to leave, and the price is right, then let them leave. Saints have not done badly in the transfer market In the past, and I am sure that that there are replacement players available who would be more than happy to be playing at St Marys. Does anyone ever think what the fans of clubs think when Saints buy one of their players? Of course not. Football is a business that involves buying and selling players. What puzzles me is that so many have been sold, an so few have been bought. What are the club doing with all of the cash they have received? One sure thing, they have not reduced he price of season tickets - in fact, they have gone up. WHY?[/p][/quote]Yeah that's right.Skiverpool would have won the league last year if they'd got a bit more out of bugs bunny. I,m sure they won't miss all his goals and assists from last season. Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

3:53pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Shareholder says...

SaintSteve76 wrote:
Mosschops wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.
Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.
Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did.

Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans.

We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence.

TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS
What a load of old cobblers! Have you forgotten the mayhem Cortese caused when he left the club stating that its ambition had been lost? That he continued in the same vein thereafter even recently by saying he wouldn't have sold the players? Easy to say when you aren't in the job, not so easy when you are and the agents want a fat pay day and the players want the huge wages the FFP won't allow you to pay. And have you forgotten how Pochettino left also saying the ambition has gone? An easy-to-sell line is that one when you want an excuse to cover up your own greed and selfishness. And have you missed that those two sold that line to the players too? Cortese to undermine the owner, Pochettino to make it easier to buy them for his new club. And have you also forgotten that Cortese bought Les Reed to the club and that he dealt with player purchase and development so nothing has changed there. The fact is there was poison at the very heart of the club and the new Board have had to sort it out. Or do you deny the antics of Cortese, Pochettino, Lallana, Shaw and Lovren? Get the scales from your eyes and see what's really been happening. It's about time people started blaming the real turncoats and disloyal swines and support the club again. Unless you'd rather be another Cardiff that is!
Cortese did a great job for us but as far as I know there was only one occasion when a big club came in for one of our players during his reign - Ox. Look what happened. He can say what he likes but there is nothing to back his hypothetical claim he would have kept any of the players this summer if he'd been in charge.
I feel like giving up and not wasting my breath but Cotese said on many occasions that there is no point producing fantastic young players just to sell them to your rivals. He also said that other premier league chairman knew and understood no key players were for sale for the foreseeable future. Also, when Cortese was at the club we were buying players of the caliber of Lovren, Wanyama, Ramirez, Osvaldo. Are we still looking at these types of players even though the club has made around £100m in transfer sales? It doesn't seem like it. Also, How many players were happy and signing new contracts when Cortese was at the club? The answer is almost all of them whilst acknowledging that there was a vision and big ambition for the club. Also, how many departed players have stated a lack of ambition at the club since Cortese left? Also, How many players have stated a desire to leave since Cortese left? The answer is most of the players and I ask you why aren't the Everton players all asking to go to Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea etc? Would Pochettino have left had Cortese still been at the club? I'm pretty sure the answer is no. Also, Was Cortese helping to produce a fantastic team capable of breaking into the top six? I personally think we would have got there in the next season or two. Is the club in a better position now to when Cortese was at the club? The answer is definitely no.
What you say about Cortese while he was at the club is true. What would have happened had he stayed is pure conjecture. Would, could he have stopped everyone leaving? Would Lambert have said no to Liverpool? Would Lallana and Lovren have said no to the same club, £100k a week and Champions League football? Would Shaw have walked away from over £100k a week at United at age 19, frankly would anyone at that age? I think the answer is almost certainly no. Football pundits all last season praised what the club was doing but questioned how they could carry on given the FFP restrictions. Footballers are the same the world over - self interested, ego centric individuals with very few years to get to the top (if ever) and loyal only to their careers and their bank balance.

I loved the years under Cortese but he didn't have the money himself and didn't want the owner to have any say in how he spent hers. That he hadn't got her approval means I'm afraid that he wasn't quite being honest with anyone regarding his ambitions and what he said he could do.

As I say it's largely conjecture. One could just as easily say that once he realised the owner wasn't going to provide a bottomless pit he got out before being found out. He was after all offered an improved contract. But just like the players he decided to jump ship. None of us will ever really know why.

As for your statements about the quality of players I'm not sure I understand. Osvaldo was a very expensive disaster that Cortese and Pochettino left the club with as a big headache for some time to come. Wanyama hardly set the world on fire (no one's after him notice), Ramirez hasn't shone, Mayuka has struggled and Yoshida is at best inconsistent. And none of us knew hardly anything about any of them before they came. From what I've seen so far we seem to have signed decent players and are after better ones than we have (our had even) so it's definitely wrong to be critical. Cortese certainly wasn't perfect in the transfer market.
[quote][p][bold]SaintSteve76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mosschops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.[/p][/quote]Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.[/p][/quote]Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did. Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans. We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence. TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]What a load of old cobblers! Have you forgotten the mayhem Cortese caused when he left the club stating that its ambition had been lost? That he continued in the same vein thereafter even recently by saying he wouldn't have sold the players? Easy to say when you aren't in the job, not so easy when you are and the agents want a fat pay day and the players want the huge wages the FFP won't allow you to pay. And have you forgotten how Pochettino left also saying the ambition has gone? An easy-to-sell line is that one when you want an excuse to cover up your own greed and selfishness. And have you missed that those two sold that line to the players too? Cortese to undermine the owner, Pochettino to make it easier to buy them for his new club. And have you also forgotten that Cortese bought Les Reed to the club and that he dealt with player purchase and development so nothing has changed there. The fact is there was poison at the very heart of the club and the new Board have had to sort it out. Or do you deny the antics of Cortese, Pochettino, Lallana, Shaw and Lovren? Get the scales from your eyes and see what's really been happening. It's about time people started blaming the real turncoats and disloyal swines and support the club again. Unless you'd rather be another Cardiff that is![/p][/quote]Cortese did a great job for us but as far as I know there was only one occasion when a big club came in for one of our players during his reign - Ox. Look what happened. He can say what he likes but there is nothing to back his hypothetical claim he would have kept any of the players this summer if he'd been in charge.[/p][/quote]I feel like giving up and not wasting my breath but Cotese said on many occasions that there is no point producing fantastic young players just to sell them to your rivals. He also said that other premier league chairman knew and understood no key players were for sale for the foreseeable future. Also, when Cortese was at the club we were buying players of the caliber of Lovren, Wanyama, Ramirez, Osvaldo. Are we still looking at these types of players even though the club has made around £100m in transfer sales? It doesn't seem like it. Also, How many players were happy and signing new contracts when Cortese was at the club? The answer is almost all of them whilst acknowledging that there was a vision and big ambition for the club. Also, how many departed players have stated a lack of ambition at the club since Cortese left? Also, How many players have stated a desire to leave since Cortese left? The answer is most of the players and I ask you why aren't the Everton players all asking to go to Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea etc? Would Pochettino have left had Cortese still been at the club? I'm pretty sure the answer is no. Also, Was Cortese helping to produce a fantastic team capable of breaking into the top six? I personally think we would have got there in the next season or two. Is the club in a better position now to when Cortese was at the club? The answer is definitely no.[/p][/quote]What you say about Cortese while he was at the club is true. What would have happened had he stayed is pure conjecture. Would, could he have stopped everyone leaving? Would Lambert have said no to Liverpool? Would Lallana and Lovren have said no to the same club, £100k a week and Champions League football? Would Shaw have walked away from over £100k a week at United at age 19, frankly would anyone at that age? I think the answer is almost certainly no. Football pundits all last season praised what the club was doing but questioned how they could carry on given the FFP restrictions. Footballers are the same the world over - self interested, ego centric individuals with very few years to get to the top (if ever) and loyal only to their careers and their bank balance. I loved the years under Cortese but he didn't have the money himself and didn't want the owner to have any say in how he spent hers. That he hadn't got her approval means I'm afraid that he wasn't quite being honest with anyone regarding his ambitions and what he said he could do. As I say it's largely conjecture. One could just as easily say that once he realised the owner wasn't going to provide a bottomless pit he got out before being found out. He was after all offered an improved contract. But just like the players he decided to jump ship. None of us will ever really know why. As for your statements about the quality of players I'm not sure I understand. Osvaldo was a very expensive disaster that Cortese and Pochettino left the club with as a big headache for some time to come. Wanyama hardly set the world on fire (no one's after him notice), Ramirez hasn't shone, Mayuka has struggled and Yoshida is at best inconsistent. And none of us knew hardly anything about any of them before they came. From what I've seen so far we seem to have signed decent players and are after better ones than we have (our had even) so it's definitely wrong to be critical. Cortese certainly wasn't perfect in the transfer market. Shareholder
  • Score: 4

4:48pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Baybrit says...

BarnetSaint wrote:
Very good article .

Quite frankly, many of us now despise the former players whom we idolised. The antics of lie lanna
I am glad that I wasn't in Southampton to see the Lallana 'Thank you' page. Such a arrogant and insulting public spit in the face to all the fans and to the city which stood behind him made me sick. To have actually been at home to see it in print would have been the rancid cherry on top of that vomit cake.
[quote][p][bold]BarnetSaint[/bold] wrote: Very good article . Quite frankly, many of us now despise the former players whom we idolised. The antics of lie lanna[/p][/quote]I am glad that I wasn't in Southampton to see the Lallana 'Thank you' page. Such a arrogant and insulting public spit in the face to all the fans and to the city which stood behind him made me sick. To have actually been at home to see it in print would have been the rancid cherry on top of that vomit cake. Baybrit
  • Score: 1

5:27pm Thu 31 Jul 14

saintbobby says...

Costa Gaz, I do not understand why you got so many thumbs down for your first piece on here.

I have read it and re-read it sentence by sentence and I cannot argue with you. Seems a fair analysis to me.

However one votes on various comments should be identified by logins
and at least we know who is saying what. Otherwise we live just by totals which, fair enough, shows the mood. But too easy to hide one's view just within a total.

Login identity is available on the Daily Telegraph blogs but, sadly only for thumbs up. The downers are hidden. Shame.
Costa Gaz, I do not understand why you got so many thumbs down for your first piece on here. I have read it and re-read it sentence by sentence and I cannot argue with you. Seems a fair analysis to me. However one votes on various comments should be identified by logins and at least we know who is saying what. Otherwise we live just by totals which, fair enough, shows the mood. But too easy to hide one's view just within a total. Login identity is available on the Daily Telegraph blogs but, sadly only for thumbs up. The downers are hidden. Shame. saintbobby
  • Score: -1

5:34pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Suttonite says...

Clever Dick wrote:
unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.
I think you have it spot on. Morgan is and was the fulcrum of the team. Lallana might have tremendous feet and Lambert might have scored goals in the past, but the master of the engine room has increasingly been Morgan. We need him and then let the likes of Ramirez, Ward-Prowse and Tadic etc create for Pelle and hopefully Rodriguez, when he's fit.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.[/p][/quote]I think you have it spot on. Morgan is and was the fulcrum of the team. Lallana might have tremendous feet and Lambert might have scored goals in the past, but the master of the engine room has increasingly been Morgan. We need him and then let the likes of Ramirez, Ward-Prowse and Tadic etc create for Pelle and hopefully Rodriguez, when he's fit. Suttonite
  • Score: 0

6:19pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.
Numpty Girl - I applaud you for posting what ECHO and lots of SAINTS FANS see and representative of a good chunk of the fan base.

Constant POSITIVE POSTING for the sake of it like Osprey Saint or SWEEPING ISSUES under the carpet hoping and praying it will alright is not the way ahead.

An UNYIELDING acceptance of hierarchy - as if those person always get it right or know what they are doing is a fools paradise.

LET'S WIN TONIGHT - not long before B&HA become the largest Club in the South for seating Capacity. COYR+WS
Morgan is a very good player. He undoubtably wants to remain a fixture for his national side. To do this - he needs to play with players at his club who are up at his level. He has been here a while - and perhaps wasn't told the truth about this transfer window. My gut feeling is that if not enough quality arrive - he will be off in the next window.
I LIKE MORGAN - but for me he is not Super Good or anything as a Player.

He is still improving and ONLY A SQUAD PLAYER for the National side.

He can still improve with SAINTS - would you begrudge him a move next Summer or the one after - if he keeps his performance levels up and impresses this Season. COYR+WS
I wouldn't as he has been on the south coast for a while. I think his head has well and truly been turned though.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.[/p][/quote]Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.[/p][/quote]Numpty Girl - I applaud you for posting what ECHO and lots of SAINTS FANS see and representative of a good chunk of the fan base. Constant POSITIVE POSTING for the sake of it like Osprey Saint or SWEEPING ISSUES under the carpet hoping and praying it will alright is not the way ahead. An UNYIELDING acceptance of hierarchy - as if those person always get it right or know what they are doing is a fools paradise. LET'S WIN TONIGHT - not long before B&HA become the largest Club in the South for seating Capacity. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Morgan is a very good player. He undoubtably wants to remain a fixture for his national side. To do this - he needs to play with players at his club who are up at his level. He has been here a while - and perhaps wasn't told the truth about this transfer window. My gut feeling is that if not enough quality arrive - he will be off in the next window.[/p][/quote]I LIKE MORGAN - but for me he is not Super Good or anything as a Player. He is still improving and ONLY A SQUAD PLAYER for the National side. He can still improve with SAINTS - would you begrudge him a move next Summer or the one after - if he keeps his performance levels up and impresses this Season. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]I wouldn't as he has been on the south coast for a while. I think his head has well and truly been turned though. Saints n Winners
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7:46pm Thu 31 Jul 14

thinklikealocal says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.
Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.
Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did.

Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans.

We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence.

TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS
Jesus, if you mention stadium expansion as being the 'golden path' once more I swear I'll gave some kind of breakdown.....
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: unfortunately Morgan there are many reasons. The first is that you are a far better player than any we have !et go for inflated prices. The second is that there has to be a point where the exodus stops. We clearly can't let the whole squad go to the disgusting vulture clubs this close to the start of the season. The third is that we now already have a huge transfer budget to enable us to improve upon last season , so it doesn't really matter how much the aforementioned vultures are offering because we don't need the money. So just knuckle down and get on with it at least until the new squad we are assembling beds in. By that time if you still want to go I'm sure it would be with the fans blessing. And if you still want to work under the deceitful Argie who knows where you might be playing for next after he gets booted out by Spudhampton.[/p][/quote]Why are they disgusting vulture clubs? Vultures pick at the carrion whereas we ended eighth in the Prem and are owned by a billionaire so were in rude health. They are clubs who admired some of our players and coveted them. And we bizarrely sold the cream to our competitors. More fool us.[/p][/quote]Seed - we did not need to take one step back - after finishing 8th and a billionaire owner - but that's what we did. Wreck it Ralph and his take the money policy has caused lots of problems for the Club and angst among the Fans. We would like to grow the Fan base and become a Worldwide product with a larger St Mary's - but the current SFC Management Team so far have demonstrated that they have difficulty even doing up their shoelaces. DE know it - the Fans know it and ultimately Les and Ralph know that they are not very good and operating in an area above their ability - they have been promoted to a level on incompetence. TONIGHT we go to B&H Albion - as least our AWAY FANS do a really good job with pride and passion of supporting this Club. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Jesus, if you mention stadium expansion as being the 'golden path' once more I swear I'll gave some kind of breakdown..... thinklikealocal
  • Score: 1

7:49pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Optimist says...

Loving the long posts on this.
Couple of points to add:
1. Defensive midfielder is the most difficult position to value, I expect our valuation is very different to any potential buyers
2. Morgan is a little unlucky in that we have most definitely reached the tipping point in terms of how many players have been sold, the backlash from fans in the wake of the CC sale was a clear wake up call that from now on any player wanting to leave can rot in the reserves & lose their dreams rather than be allowed to leave.

But I ask everyone;
Who would not do the same job for triple the wages and enough cash to set up your family for life?

Then I try not to laugh
Loving the long posts on this. Couple of points to add: 1. Defensive midfielder is the most difficult position to value, I expect our valuation is very different to any potential buyers 2. Morgan is a little unlucky in that we have most definitely reached the tipping point in terms of how many players have been sold, the backlash from fans in the wake of the CC sale was a clear wake up call that from now on any player wanting to leave can rot in the reserves & lose their dreams rather than be allowed to leave. But I ask everyone; Who would not do the same job for triple the wages and enough cash to set up your family for life? Then I try not to laugh Optimist
  • Score: 0

7:52pm Thu 31 Jul 14

thinklikealocal says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.
I don't understand why our fans seem to hate this board so much?
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.[/p][/quote]Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.[/p][/quote]I don't understand why our fans seem to hate this board so much? thinklikealocal
  • Score: 1

5:48am Fri 1 Aug 14

batesieboy says...

Because Spurs only want to pay 12 million, crafty bar stewards.
Because Spurs only want to pay 12 million, crafty bar stewards. batesieboy
  • Score: 0

8:38am Fri 1 Aug 14

jls217 says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses.
These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves.
Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible
....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players.
This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show.

The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant....

The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.
Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.
I don't understand why our fans seem to hate this board so much?
Ahhh, here we go again, Numpty (how apt) girl trolling his/her way through the posts spreading poison and Costa - a particularly spectacular neggie tag team.

The board is there to make a fast buck whenever and wherever it can - the board is not,never has been and never will be (or it won't be there for long) there to lose money.
Time doesn't need to prove you right. They are doing it as I type this and you are brewing your potions. If they were not ,we, as fans would need to be very worried indeed. Stop being so silly please.

There is a standard process for players wanting a transfer and it's very simple - They submit a transfer request to their manager or their board. They don't like doing that so guess what, they and their agents and the press start agitating for a move in the hope the manager will either offer them a huge payrise (which under the new rules Saints cannot do ( I believe the max is 4%) or the manager will transfer list them or encourage other teams to make an approach.

The only thing you mention that has any credibility is the current situation between club and Morgan. Given what is happening within football generally I would hazard a guess it will only end one way. The job of the board if he truly cannot be convinced to stay (and that may be an uphill struggle given that Saints are not allowed, by the rules, to offer more than 4% - although having said that I can't remember the last time I was offered a pay rise even close to 4%) is do the right thing for the club, which is what ?- see if you can answer that one yourselves with no help - work it out.
On the evidence available this board seems to be doing okay don't they? The players left because the players left - their decisions to go nobody else's. Gone and now being paid far more than we can pay them. I have no opinion on them (bar Liarllana) other than they must be good players because other clubs have paid my club a premium for them but they do no feature in my club's future anymore so I don't care. Water under the bridge.
Any time either of you think you can do something positive for the furtherment of the club you profess to follow please apply for position - your cauldron and spells might be made welcome in the board room as you propel the club to hitherto unattainable heights. (However you do need to take into account that the main thrust of your daily task will be to, as you put it, "Get as much money out of it as possible" and "Making a fast buck" Slow bucks will be viewed favourably also. Off you go then down the job centre and see if there is a director's post avail for each of you. Perhaps you would care to report back to us posting here as you have convinced us you know all there is to know about running a major concern and know exactly how to appease revolting players (and you will find some who go way beyond revolting) Not holding my breath.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Loving the way our board has come out of this smelling of roses. These deals were handled very badly by Reed and co, making the players do things to force the moves. Our board were not prolonging the moves to convince the players to stay, they were hanging on to get as much money out of it as possible ....and then we fans all shout "GREEDY JUDAS B******S" towards these players. This board headed by KL and RK are completely out of their depth with the concerns of running a premier league football club, they have very little football knowledge.. and boy does it show. The players left because they were ambitious, whether that ambition is to win things or earn as much as possible is irrelevant.... The stand off between the club and Morgan is only going to end one way, but somehow it will be the player that attracts all of the bile and hatred.[/p][/quote]Totally agree - I don't understand why our fans seem to love this Board so much. The Board doesn't know what it's doing beyond making a fast buck. Time will prove me right.[/p][/quote]I don't understand why our fans seem to hate this board so much?[/p][/quote]Ahhh, here we go again, Numpty (how apt) girl trolling his/her way through the posts spreading poison and Costa - a particularly spectacular neggie tag team. The board is there to make a fast buck whenever and wherever it can - the board is not,never has been and never will be (or it won't be there for long) there to lose money. Time doesn't need to prove you right. They are doing it as I type this and you are brewing your potions. If they were not ,we, as fans would need to be very worried indeed. Stop being so silly please. There is a standard process for players wanting a transfer and it's very simple - They submit a transfer request to their manager or their board. They don't like doing that so guess what, they and their agents and the press start agitating for a move in the hope the manager will either offer them a huge payrise (which under the new rules Saints cannot do ( I believe the max is 4%) or the manager will transfer list them or encourage other teams to make an approach. The only thing you mention that has any credibility is the current situation between club and Morgan. Given what is happening within football generally I would hazard a guess it will only end one way. The job of the board if he truly cannot be convinced to stay (and that may be an uphill struggle given that Saints are not allowed, by the rules, to offer more than 4% - although having said that I can't remember the last time I was offered a pay rise even close to 4%) is do the right thing for the club, which is what ?- see if you can answer that one yourselves with no help - work it out. On the evidence available this board seems to be doing okay don't they? The players left because the players left - their decisions to go nobody else's. Gone and now being paid far more than we can pay them. I have no opinion on them (bar Liarllana) other than they must be good players because other clubs have paid my club a premium for them but they do no feature in my club's future anymore so I don't care. Water under the bridge. Any time either of you think you can do something positive for the furtherment of the club you profess to follow please apply for position - your cauldron and spells might be made welcome in the board room as you propel the club to hitherto unattainable heights. (However you do need to take into account that the main thrust of your daily task will be to, as you put it, "Get as much money out of it as possible" and "Making a fast buck" Slow bucks will be viewed favourably also. Off you go then down the job centre and see if there is a director's post avail for each of you. Perhaps you would care to report back to us posting here as you have convinced us you know all there is to know about running a major concern and know exactly how to appease revolting players (and you will find some who go way beyond revolting) Not holding my breath. jls217
  • Score: 0

8:45am Fri 1 Aug 14

nstaffordking says...

You're implying these players were let go because it was the nice thing to do. Excluding Rickie, our players went because our price tag was met. Morgan's hasn't been, it's that simple. If he wants the move, perhaps he should write a letter to Spurs asking them to pay the price; we're not going to sell him for peanuts just because the others had their moves.

Keep going though Echo, and everyone else in the media, applaud your attempts at belittling Saints continuously.
You're implying these players were let go because it was the nice thing to do. Excluding Rickie, our players went because our price tag was met. Morgan's hasn't been, it's that simple. If he wants the move, perhaps he should write a letter to Spurs asking them to pay the price; we're not going to sell him for peanuts just because the others had their moves. Keep going though Echo, and everyone else in the media, applaud your attempts at belittling Saints continuously. nstaffordking
  • Score: 0

9:11am Fri 1 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

I see the same people still don't get it.

No chairman or head of football could have kept the players who have left, except maybe Rickie. Even NC the wonderful couldn't have stoped them going and the main reason? Well he told them they could go!
Reading Ben smiths hatchet job today tells us that NC used Rickie and liarlanna to convince Luke to give us one more year, so he was off no matter what. Liarlanna knew Luke's deal so is it not a fair assumption to say he wanted the same? So thats 2 going who no one could stop! Dejerk was told he could go if we got a £20mill offer, and liverhampton knew to bid that amount! 3 gone that couldn't be stopped! Chambers signed a new deal as well last year, same deal? Possible. 4 that couldn't be stopped! Then Rickie who just wanted to go home.
So how on earth could les reed or Ralph have said no? They couldn't! Until now, after the last of those they couldn't stop have gone.
Did NC the invincible think he could convince them to stay again? Or did he realise they were all going and thats part of the reason he left?
The only thing the board could do was manage the mess they were left with. They weren't trying to make the players look bad, they could have done that a lot easier, they were doing their job to get the best deal they could for the club! They would have been moaned at if they let them go cheap, wouldn't they? They couldn't negotiate with players who had deals to leave and were throwing toys everywhere to get the deal honoured, I think the players made themselves look bad enough! They could have kept their mouths shut and they still would have got the moves! Silly boys.
Pochaliar knew they were off aswell so he decided to go long ago, probably before Christmas, they all decided to use 'ambition' as an excuse, they all say it then it must be true! Pochaliar strung the club along whilst waiting for a club to come in and offer to pay his release penalty, thats why NC the great told him to stay when he left!
As for wages, yes the players wanted a lot more than they were getting here and no we couldn't pay it even if we wanted to, the ffp stops us doing that. However wages can increase now because of the near £100mill we got in from the sales. That will allow us to increase wages a lot more. Thats why Ralph said the money would go on buying players and wages, which to me could be an indication that either existing players, spider J-rod, or we are going for a player who wants higher wages.
As for nobrains saying players were sold as soon as the window opened, apart from Rickie all of the others weren't sold until after the world cup whilst the window opened after the last game of the season.
Sorry if this post is too long for someone to read but I couldn't try to clear things up with the typical one line inane slating of fans that he is used t typing!
I see the same people still don't get it. No chairman or head of football could have kept the players who have left, except maybe Rickie. Even NC the wonderful couldn't have stoped them going and the main reason? Well he told them they could go! Reading Ben smiths hatchet job today tells us that NC used Rickie and liarlanna to convince Luke to give us one more year, so he was off no matter what. Liarlanna knew Luke's deal so is it not a fair assumption to say he wanted the same? So thats 2 going who no one could stop! Dejerk was told he could go if we got a £20mill offer, and liverhampton knew to bid that amount! 3 gone that couldn't be stopped! Chambers signed a new deal as well last year, same deal? Possible. 4 that couldn't be stopped! Then Rickie who just wanted to go home. So how on earth could les reed or Ralph have said no? They couldn't! Until now, after the last of those they couldn't stop have gone. Did NC the invincible think he could convince them to stay again? Or did he realise they were all going and thats part of the reason he left? The only thing the board could do was manage the mess they were left with. They weren't trying to make the players look bad, they could have done that a lot easier, they were doing their job to get the best deal they could for the club! They would have been moaned at if they let them go cheap, wouldn't they? They couldn't negotiate with players who had deals to leave and were throwing toys everywhere to get the deal honoured, I think the players made themselves look bad enough! They could have kept their mouths shut and they still would have got the moves! Silly boys. Pochaliar knew they were off aswell so he decided to go long ago, probably before Christmas, they all decided to use 'ambition' as an excuse, they all say it then it must be true! Pochaliar strung the club along whilst waiting for a club to come in and offer to pay his release penalty, thats why NC the great told him to stay when he left! As for wages, yes the players wanted a lot more than they were getting here and no we couldn't pay it even if we wanted to, the ffp stops us doing that. However wages can increase now because of the near £100mill we got in from the sales. That will allow us to increase wages a lot more. Thats why Ralph said the money would go on buying players and wages, which to me could be an indication that either existing players, spider J-rod, or we are going for a player who wants higher wages. As for nobrains saying players were sold as soon as the window opened, apart from Rickie all of the others weren't sold until after the world cup whilst the window opened after the last game of the season. Sorry if this post is too long for someone to read but I couldn't try to clear things up with the typical one line inane slating of fans that he is used t typing! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 0

4:07pm Fri 1 Aug 14

George4th says...

99% of people offered an opportunity with more money and better prospects, will take the opportunity.........

Why would you expect footballers to be different?

Personally, I believe Schneiderlin needs to leave to progress his undoubted abilities while he still has time. Having made it to the French team he now needs to test himself at a higher level, something Saints cannot aspire to at the moment.
99% of people offered an opportunity with more money and better prospects, will take the opportunity......... Why would you expect footballers to be different? Personally, I believe Schneiderlin needs to leave to progress his undoubted abilities while he still has time. Having made it to the French team he now needs to test himself at a higher level, something Saints cannot aspire to at the moment. George4th
  • Score: -2

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