Southampton complete the season-long loan of Chelsea left-back Ryan Bertrand

Ryan Bertrand during his loan spell at Aston Villa last season

Ryan Bertrand during his loan spell at Aston Villa last season

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Basingstoke Gazette: Photograph of the Author by , Senior Sports Reporter

Saints have signed Chelsea left-back Ryan Bertrand on a season-long loan.

The 24-year-old passed a medical today after agreeing to move to St Mary's, becoming the third arrival of the summer.

The Daily Echo understands that Saints also possess an option to sign Bertrand permanently next summer.

Bertrand, who has been capped twice by the senior England team and who started in Chelsea’s 2012 Champions League final victory against Bayern Munich, is seen as an ideal replacement for Luke Shaw, after he moved to Manchester United in a £27m deal this summer.

The defender has made 57 appearances for Chelsea’s first-team, since emerging from their youth ranks after being plucked from Gillingham, but loans have dominated his time there.

He has had spells at Bournemouth, Oldham, Norwich, Reading, Nottingham Forest and, most recently, Aston Villa, where he spent the second half of last season.

He joins midfielder Graziano Pelle and striker Dusan Tadic in signing for Saints this summer.

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9:33pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

An option to make permanent is good - try before you buy!
An option to make permanent is good - try before you buy! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 69

9:33pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Saintinwatford says...

Hoorah!
Hoorah! Saintinwatford
  • Score: 34

9:33pm Wed 30 Jul 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Well, at least we have the option to keep hold of the investment in his advancement. I generally think loaning is a sign of crisis.
Well, at least we have the option to keep hold of the investment in his advancement. I generally think loaning is a sign of crisis. BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: -96

9:33pm Wed 30 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

IT'S a start and from Chelsea - Happy Days !! COYR+WS
IT'S a start and from Chelsea - Happy Days !! COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 29

9:35pm Wed 30 Jul 14

paulmsh says...

Great signing. He'll have a point to prove if he wants a permanent move, so will be really motivated.
Great signing. He'll have a point to prove if he wants a permanent move, so will be really motivated. paulmsh
  • Score: 49

9:36pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Purist85 says...

I only think it's a loan to speed up the whole process and get the **** deal done. Something needed to happen today/tonight badly. It didnt matter how or who really they got in the club it just had to be done ASAP. Maybe loaning initially quickens the whole thing up.
I only think it's a loan to speed up the whole process and get the **** deal done. Something needed to happen today/tonight badly. It didnt matter how or who really they got in the club it just had to be done ASAP. Maybe loaning initially quickens the whole thing up. Purist85
  • Score: -9

9:37pm Wed 30 Jul 14

BumperSaint says...

Great move. Even though he's good, he's not too good to the point Matt Target won't get a game...... Should be good competition at left back and gives Targett a season to blood into the prem before taking the world by storm like shaw did!!
Great move. Even though he's good, he's not too good to the point Matt Target won't get a game...... Should be good competition at left back and gives Targett a season to blood into the prem before taking the world by storm like shaw did!! BumperSaint
  • Score: 51

9:40pm Wed 30 Jul 14

frenchvic says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Well, at least we have the option to keep hold of the investment in his advancement. I generally think loaning is a sign of crisis.
Then Everton must be a real club in crisis, they loan all the time.
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: Well, at least we have the option to keep hold of the investment in his advancement. I generally think loaning is a sign of crisis.[/p][/quote]Then Everton must be a real club in crisis, they loan all the time. frenchvic
  • Score: 75

9:40pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Tony in Liberia says...

The start of the comeback ...

I predict more incomings, the building of a god squad and a great side, and a season that exceeds our current levels of expectations. It will be interesting to see how much we pay, if we do buy him, compared to how much United panic-bought Shaw for ... and also interesting to see if Bertrand is fit, rather than being a porked-up lard- bucket :-)
The start of the comeback ... I predict more incomings, the building of a god squad and a great side, and a season that exceeds our current levels of expectations. It will be interesting to see how much we pay, if we do buy him, compared to how much United panic-bought Shaw for ... and also interesting to see if Bertrand is fit, rather than being a porked-up lard- bucket :-) Tony in Liberia
  • Score: 41

9:41pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Block 42 says...

Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman. Block 42
  • Score: -235

9:42pm Wed 30 Jul 14

SAINT NZ says...

Fantastic. I too think they needed to sign someone today...anyone!.....
now with a little heat off...go get the big fish to start the rebuild......I don't mind loans as long as a price is set for a buy outright.
Fantastic. I too think they needed to sign someone today...anyone!..... now with a little heat off...go get the big fish to start the rebuild......I don't mind loans as long as a price is set for a buy outright. SAINT NZ
  • Score: 21

9:42pm Wed 30 Jul 14

GX Saint says...

Welcome Ryan. And you don't look at all chubby unlike the lad you're replacing
Welcome Ryan. And you don't look at all chubby unlike the lad you're replacing GX Saint
  • Score: 60

9:43pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you. Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 43

9:44pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Jesus_02 says...

First loan signing for a while. Maybe we can eek out an existence training up players for the competitive teams.
First loan signing for a while. Maybe we can eek out an existence training up players for the competitive teams. Jesus_02
  • Score: -48

9:45pm Wed 30 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 149

9:45pm Wed 30 Jul 14

WobblyCat says...

90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??
90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket?? WobblyCat
  • Score: -123

9:47pm Wed 30 Jul 14

frenchvic says...

This feller play with Vlaar last season, it might help to get him.
This feller play with Vlaar last season, it might help to get him. frenchvic
  • Score: 54

9:47pm Wed 30 Jul 14

WobblyCat says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!! WobblyCat
  • Score: 11

9:48pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
The start of the comeback ...

I predict more incomings, the building of a god squad and a great side, and a season that exceeds our current levels of expectations. It will be interesting to see how much we pay, if we do buy him, compared to how much United panic-bought Shaw for ... and also interesting to see if Bertrand is fit, rather than being a porked-up lard- bucket :-)
Tony,

A god squad is pushing the boat out a bit.

I'd settle for a good squad. No, no I'd settle for a full squad
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: The start of the comeback ... I predict more incomings, the building of a god squad and a great side, and a season that exceeds our current levels of expectations. It will be interesting to see how much we pay, if we do buy him, compared to how much United panic-bought Shaw for ... and also interesting to see if Bertrand is fit, rather than being a porked-up lard- bucket :-)[/p][/quote]Tony, A god squad is pushing the boat out a bit. I'd settle for a good squad. No, no I'd settle for a full squad Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 28

9:49pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Saintnewbury says...

I think its a good signing. He has a lot of potential and hopefully he will try his hardest to get a permanent deal. And another plus on this deal is a player actually wants to play for us!
I think its a good signing. He has a lot of potential and hopefully he will try his hardest to get a permanent deal. And another plus on this deal is a player actually wants to play for us! Saintnewbury
  • Score: 49

9:50pm Wed 30 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

I don't like prem teams loaning to each other but think this is a good move for us.
welcome to Ronnie`s revolution ryan.
oh and Osvaldo has tweeted a pic of himself in an inter shirt!
I don't like prem teams loaning to each other but think this is a good move for us. welcome to Ronnie`s revolution ryan. oh and Osvaldo has tweeted a pic of himself in an inter shirt! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 43

9:51pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Block 42 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit![/p][/quote]So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in. Block 42
  • Score: -116

9:51pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

WobblyCat wrote:
90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??
Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?
[quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: 90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??[/p][/quote]Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -46

9:51pm Wed 30 Jul 14

buckie says...

I'm pleased we got him hopefully if he does well he can see a good future with us and sign permanently end of loan i would hope that he had other options and choose to come to us only another centre half now and we will be looking alot stronger we have replaced 3 out of the 5 that have left so another right back in we have 2 left backs now so another right back and maybe another two central defender then we are back to where we were before all the deserters left
I'm pleased we got him hopefully if he does well he can see a good future with us and sign permanently end of loan i would hope that he had other options and choose to come to us only another centre half now and we will be looking alot stronger we have replaced 3 out of the 5 that have left so another right back in we have 2 left backs now so another right back and maybe another two central defender then we are back to where we were before all the deserters left buckie
  • Score: 21

9:51pm Wed 30 Jul 14

lambo83 says...

A step in the right direction keep them coming
A step in the right direction keep them coming lambo83
  • Score: 29

9:51pm Wed 30 Jul 14

bbb001 says...

Which ever way you look at it this is good news, he can share the left back position with Matt Targett like Clyne did with chambers last season, the competition for the place can only be good for Saints. Smart move
Which ever way you look at it this is good news, he can share the left back position with Matt Targett like Clyne did with chambers last season, the competition for the place can only be good for Saints. Smart move bbb001
  • Score: 39

9:52pm Wed 30 Jul 14

saints_alive says...

And Forster and VvD could be on their way sooner than expected... Apologies for posting like a carrion crow over the entrails, but our carcass has almost been picked clean. It is nothing personal, it is only business, as a cranky git with bad hair once said.
And Forster and VvD could be on their way sooner than expected... Apologies for posting like a carrion crow over the entrails, but our carcass has almost been picked clean. It is nothing personal, it is only business, as a cranky git with bad hair once said. saints_alive
  • Score: 23

9:52pm Wed 30 Jul 14

St.David says...

Great signing. . Good back up for Target who will be our No.3 this year. . Welcome aboard Ryan . . You really are most welcome!, coyrs!!!
Great signing. . Good back up for Target who will be our No.3 this year. . Welcome aboard Ryan . . You really are most welcome!, coyrs!!! St.David
  • Score: 25

9:54pm Wed 30 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

So would you say that Everton were in crisis when they loaned Lukaku for a season, I think it makes perfect sense, if the player is not up to scratch then you can send him back at no further cost. I wish we had loaned Osvaldo don't you.
So would you say that Everton were in crisis when they loaned Lukaku for a season, I think it makes perfect sense, if the player is not up to scratch then you can send him back at no further cost. I wish we had loaned Osvaldo don't you. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 50

9:55pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
[quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster? Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 75

9:56pm Wed 30 Jul 14

StJohn says...

Um he's ok but he's no Guly.
Um he's ok but he's no Guly. StJohn
  • Score: 27

9:57pm Wed 30 Jul 14

upwherewebelong says...

aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.
aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal. upwherewebelong
  • Score: -49

9:58pm Wed 30 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
No pleasing some people I'm afraid.
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]No pleasing some people I'm afraid. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 41

9:58pm Wed 30 Jul 14

poshdave says...

..............not really what we are all waiting for?,............loa
n signing?........we are waiting for the club to make an acqusition that will show their intent after whats happened over the past few weeks, ................we need to see action (not words) which will give us fans confidence for the new season,..........is this it?. you are very easily pleased if so....
..............not really what we are all waiting for?,............loa n signing?........we are waiting for the club to make an acqusition that will show their intent after whats happened over the past few weeks, ................we need to see action (not words) which will give us fans confidence for the new season,..........is this it?. you are very easily pleased if so.... poshdave
  • Score: -34

9:58pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -19

10:00pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Block 42 says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
No pleasing some people I'm afraid.
So we should be pleased with a loanee journyman to replace a 30 mill left back.yeah nice one mate.
We need big players coming in.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]No pleasing some people I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]So we should be pleased with a loanee journyman to replace a 30 mill left back.yeah nice one mate. We need big players coming in. Block 42
  • Score: -67

10:01pm Wed 30 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.
With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.[/p][/quote]With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 15

10:01pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Block 42 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
Oh clever one..the same scouting network that found gaston ramirez and dani osvaldo yeah???
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary.[/p][/quote]Oh clever one..the same scouting network that found gaston ramirez and dani osvaldo yeah??? Block 42
  • Score: -47

10:01pm Wed 30 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.
Everton - Lukaku??
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.[/p][/quote]Everton - Lukaku?? J7junctionseven
  • Score: 15

10:01pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??
Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?
Wobblycat

You are a Rumpleteaser aren't you. Go and have a read of that article that has been mentioned on many of the forums today about the Saint's inability to add more than 4% to their wages bill.

It clearly gives a different light on our need to sell off our Players with the biggest wage demands and buy in less glamourous ones to match the Financial Fair Play rules that only apply to the bottom half of the Premiership


Expect to see more players in at around £5m rather than £10m
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: 90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??[/p][/quote]Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?[/p][/quote]Wobblycat You are a Rumpleteaser aren't you. Go and have a read of that article that has been mentioned on many of the forums today about the Saint's inability to add more than 4% to their wages bill. It clearly gives a different light on our need to sell off our Players with the biggest wage demands and buy in less glamourous ones to match the Financial Fair Play rules that only apply to the bottom half of the Premiership Expect to see more players in at around £5m rather than £10m Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 25

10:02pm Wed 30 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

CELTIC on their way out of CL .... let;s get the duo in as our next 2 signings. COYR+WS
CELTIC on their way out of CL .... let;s get the duo in as our next 2 signings. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 34

10:03pm Wed 30 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.
With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.
What big players do you think are going to join us at the moment then with the wages we pay?
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.[/p][/quote]With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.[/p][/quote]What big players do you think are going to join us at the moment then with the wages we pay? THE12THMAN
  • Score: 6

10:03pm Wed 30 Jul 14

bstokesaint says...

Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.
Not every signing has to be a statement of intent/ marquee signing. A lot of Shaw's value was based on potential. We need players to hit the ground running and Ashley Cole's understudy can't be too bad, especially with the players he's used to training with. It's not a race to blow £90m, but to bring in the right players. This will do as a start.
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit![/p][/quote]So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.[/p][/quote]Not every signing has to be a statement of intent/ marquee signing. A lot of Shaw's value was based on potential. We need players to hit the ground running and Ashley Cole's understudy can't be too bad, especially with the players he's used to training with. It's not a race to blow £90m, but to bring in the right players. This will do as a start. bstokesaint
  • Score: 64

10:05pm Wed 30 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
So would you say that Everton were in crisis when they loaned Lukaku for a season, I think it makes perfect sense, if the player is not up to scratch then you can send him back at no further cost. I wish we had loaned Osvaldo don't you.
Spot on.
I'd ignore the comments of block head. I think he's desperate for some attention
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: So would you say that Everton were in crisis when they loaned Lukaku for a season, I think it makes perfect sense, if the player is not up to scratch then you can send him back at no further cost. I wish we had loaned Osvaldo don't you.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I'd ignore the comments of block head. I think he's desperate for some attention J7junctionseven
  • Score: 23

10:05pm Wed 30 Jul 14

bullsbags says...

A mate of mine is a season tkt holder at the bridge and he has always raved about this lad and can't understand why he keeps getting loaned out, time will tell
A mate of mine is a season tkt holder at the bridge and he has always raved about this lad and can't understand why he keeps getting loaned out, time will tell bullsbags
  • Score: 29

10:05pm Wed 30 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

Block 42 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
No pleasing some people I'm afraid.
So we should be pleased with a loanee journyman to replace a 30 mill left back.yeah nice one mate.
We need big players coming in.
What big players do you think are going to join us at the moment then with the wages we pay?
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]No pleasing some people I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]So we should be pleased with a loanee journyman to replace a 30 mill left back.yeah nice one mate. We need big players coming in.[/p][/quote]What big players do you think are going to join us at the moment then with the wages we pay? THE12THMAN
  • Score: 6

10:05pm Wed 30 Jul 14

deepheat says...

This will cheer you up.

Daily Mail

"Ryan Bertrand has been on Liverpool’s radar for more than 12 months and they came close to sign him in the January window but he ultimately ended up joining Aston Villa on loan. Chelsea are reluctant to sell to title rival and would want £8million for him"

Daily Mirror Jul 30, 2014 21:27

"Southampton closing in on Marcos Rojo and Saphir Taider in eye-catching double swoop

Boss Ronald Koeman has offered Sporting Lisbon £10m for versatile Rojo who can play as a centre back or left back.

Saints have also been offered Algerian international Taider on a season's loan as part of bad boy Dani Osvaldo's switch to the Serie A giants.

"Koeman has also tabled a bid for Parma winger Jonathan Biabiany, but faces competition from West Brom for the Frenchman's signature."
This will cheer you up. Daily Mail "Ryan Bertrand has been on Liverpool’s radar for more than 12 months and they came close to sign him in the January window but he ultimately ended up joining Aston Villa on loan. Chelsea are reluctant to sell to title rival and would want £8million for him" Daily Mirror Jul 30, 2014 21:27 "Southampton closing in on Marcos Rojo and Saphir Taider in eye-catching double swoop Boss Ronald Koeman has offered Sporting Lisbon £10m for versatile Rojo who can play as a centre back or left back. Saints have also been offered Algerian international Taider on a season's loan as part of bad boy Dani Osvaldo's switch to the Serie A giants. "Koeman has also tabled a bid for Parma winger Jonathan Biabiany, but faces competition from West Brom for the Frenchman's signature." deepheat
  • Score: 37

10:07pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??
Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?
Wobblycat

You are a Rumpleteaser aren't you. Go and have a read of that article that has been mentioned on many of the forums today about the Saint's inability to add more than 4% to their wages bill.

It clearly gives a different light on our need to sell off our Players with the biggest wage demands and buy in less glamourous ones to match the Financial Fair Play rules that only apply to the bottom half of the Premiership


Expect to see more players in at around £5m rather than £10m
Well that just proves its nothing more than a business and nothing to do with football anymore then doesn't it.
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: 90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??[/p][/quote]Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?[/p][/quote]Wobblycat You are a Rumpleteaser aren't you. Go and have a read of that article that has been mentioned on many of the forums today about the Saint's inability to add more than 4% to their wages bill. It clearly gives a different light on our need to sell off our Players with the biggest wage demands and buy in less glamourous ones to match the Financial Fair Play rules that only apply to the bottom half of the Premiership Expect to see more players in at around £5m rather than £10m[/p][/quote]Well that just proves its nothing more than a business and nothing to do with football anymore then doesn't it. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -8

10:07pm Wed 30 Jul 14

upwherewebelong says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.
With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.
EXACTLY the point i'm trying to make our bank balance is awesome so invest some of it in permanent deals. Oh wait that isn't Krueger, Reed and Liebherrs "Southampton Way" is it. I've said somewhere else the problem isn't with Bertrand as he can only help but i'm so disappointed the club deliberately did this that it will take a lot to make me regain the positivity I had at the end of the season. I'm intelligent enough to understand what Mr Krueger is saying about short cuts etc but surely it isn't difficult to say to the players. "with regret we will sell you BUT ONLY once we've signed a replacement" if the club had followed this there would have been less angst from all concerned and would have been a much safer and wiser way of conducting business. Still Krueger has the problem of having little or no knowledge of football as Ice Hockey is his passion not Saints.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.[/p][/quote]With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.[/p][/quote]EXACTLY the point i'm trying to make our bank balance is awesome so invest some of it in permanent deals. Oh wait that isn't Krueger, Reed and Liebherrs "Southampton Way" is it. I've said somewhere else the problem isn't with Bertrand as he can only help but i'm so disappointed the club deliberately did this that it will take a lot to make me regain the positivity I had at the end of the season. I'm intelligent enough to understand what Mr Krueger is saying about short cuts etc but surely it isn't difficult to say to the players. "with regret we will sell you BUT ONLY once we've signed a replacement" if the club had followed this there would have been less angst from all concerned and would have been a much safer and wiser way of conducting business. Still Krueger has the problem of having little or no knowledge of football as Ice Hockey is his passion not Saints. upwherewebelong
  • Score: -39

10:07pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.
FFS!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit![/p][/quote]So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.[/p][/quote]FFS!!!!!!! Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 19

10:09pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Tony in Liberia wrote:
The start of the comeback ...

I predict more incomings, the building of a god squad and a great side, and a season that exceeds our current levels of expectations. It will be interesting to see how much we pay, if we do buy him, compared to how much United panic-bought Shaw for ... and also interesting to see if Bertrand is fit, rather than being a porked-up lard- bucket :-)
Tony,

A god squad is pushing the boat out a bit.

I'd settle for a good squad. No, no I'd settle for a full squad
How about a full, good god squad, that should sort things out a bit.
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: The start of the comeback ... I predict more incomings, the building of a god squad and a great side, and a season that exceeds our current levels of expectations. It will be interesting to see how much we pay, if we do buy him, compared to how much United panic-bought Shaw for ... and also interesting to see if Bertrand is fit, rather than being a porked-up lard- bucket :-)[/p][/quote]Tony, A god squad is pushing the boat out a bit. I'd settle for a good squad. No, no I'd settle for a full squad[/p][/quote]How about a full, good god squad, that should sort things out a bit. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 14

10:10pm Wed 30 Jul 14

SwedeSaint says...

Block 42 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
Oh clever one..the same scouting network that found gaston ramirez and dani osvaldo yeah???
Do you support Saints?
Odd set of comments you've made so far if you do!
Just saying......
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary.[/p][/quote]Oh clever one..the same scouting network that found gaston ramirez and dani osvaldo yeah???[/p][/quote]Do you support Saints? Odd set of comments you've made so far if you do! Just saying...... SwedeSaint
  • Score: 17

10:12pm Wed 30 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.
With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.
EXACTLY the point i'm trying to make our bank balance is awesome so invest some of it in permanent deals. Oh wait that isn't Krueger, Reed and Liebherrs "Southampton Way" is it. I've said somewhere else the problem isn't with Bertrand as he can only help but i'm so disappointed the club deliberately did this that it will take a lot to make me regain the positivity I had at the end of the season. I'm intelligent enough to understand what Mr Krueger is saying about short cuts etc but surely it isn't difficult to say to the players. "with regret we will sell you BUT ONLY once we've signed a replacement" if the club had followed this there would have been less angst from all concerned and would have been a much safer and wiser way of conducting business. Still Krueger has the problem of having little or no knowledge of football as Ice Hockey is his passion not Saints.
Have you ever thought that Chelsea might only want to loan out to get game time, they may not want to sell Bertrand.
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.[/p][/quote]With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.[/p][/quote]EXACTLY the point i'm trying to make our bank balance is awesome so invest some of it in permanent deals. Oh wait that isn't Krueger, Reed and Liebherrs "Southampton Way" is it. I've said somewhere else the problem isn't with Bertrand as he can only help but i'm so disappointed the club deliberately did this that it will take a lot to make me regain the positivity I had at the end of the season. I'm intelligent enough to understand what Mr Krueger is saying about short cuts etc but surely it isn't difficult to say to the players. "with regret we will sell you BUT ONLY once we've signed a replacement" if the club had followed this there would have been less angst from all concerned and would have been a much safer and wiser way of conducting business. Still Krueger has the problem of having little or no knowledge of football as Ice Hockey is his passion not Saints.[/p][/quote]Have you ever thought that Chelsea might only want to loan out to get game time, they may not want to sell Bertrand. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 4

10:12pm Wed 30 Jul 14

redsnapper says...

Chelsea want £8million for Champions League winner
According to the Express, Liverpool will have to stump up £8million if they want to sign Ryan Bertrand.

A £6million offer from Brendan Rodgers has already been reportedly rejected for the full-back, who spent the second half of last season with Aston Villa.

The 24-year-old is said to be high on Rodgers wishlist, while Tottenham are also reckoned to be keeping their eye on proceedings.



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Chelsea want £8million for Champions League winner According to the Express, Liverpool will have to stump up £8million if they want to sign Ryan Bertrand. A £6million offer from Brendan Rodgers has already been reportedly rejected for the full-back, who spent the second half of last season with Aston Villa. The 24-year-old is said to be high on Rodgers wishlist, while Tottenham are also reckoned to be keeping their eye on proceedings. http://www.mirror.co .uk/sport/football/t ransfer-news/liverpo ol-transfer-rumours- chelsea-demanding-38 41634#ixzz38zLYcs5H Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook redsnapper
  • Score: 10

10:12pm Wed 30 Jul 14

berry boy says...

Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
typical block 42 comment
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]typical block 42 comment berry boy
  • Score: 16

10:12pm Wed 30 Jul 14

WobblyCat says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused. WobblyCat
  • Score: -12

10:16pm Wed 30 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.
journey man? hes only 24 ffs. another player chelski brought and just loaned out, like lukaku, journey man? and the keeper who won e league in spain and got to the chams league final!
hes young English and with prem experience, and if he doesn't suit we send him back
luke seems to be the `big` player seeing as hes unfit!
tell me though where I said I`m happy that luke left?
this is a sign of intent though and a loan deal is the perfect fit as it gives Ronnie the chance to have a good look at targett during the season to see if he is as good as we hope, if he is we send ryan back and haven't wasted our transfer kitty on a player we don't need. as I said perfect fit!

again though, how did that last cheski reject we brought do?

theres no pleasing some people.
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit![/p][/quote]So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.[/p][/quote]journey man? hes only 24 ffs. another player chelski brought and just loaned out, like lukaku, journey man? and the keeper who won e league in spain and got to the chams league final! hes young English and with prem experience, and if he doesn't suit we send him back luke seems to be the `big` player seeing as hes unfit! tell me though where I said I`m happy that luke left? this is a sign of intent though and a loan deal is the perfect fit as it gives Ronnie the chance to have a good look at targett during the season to see if he is as good as we hope, if he is we send ryan back and haven't wasted our transfer kitty on a player we don't need. as I said perfect fit! again though, how did that last cheski reject we brought do? theres no pleasing some people. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 40

10:16pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Numpty Girl says...

Loan signings - hardly part of a longer-term plan and I'm sorry but Bertrand does not represent progression. This is a desperate signing - the Lady is not impressed! Lies, you can surely do better, little boy!
Loan signings - hardly part of a longer-term plan and I'm sorry but Bertrand does not represent progression. This is a desperate signing - the Lady is not impressed! Lies, you can surely do better, little boy! Numpty Girl
  • Score: -54

10:16pm Wed 30 Jul 14

the swinging arm of channon says...

I hear that Roy Hodgson threatened to return his season ticket unless we signed some more English players
I hear that Roy Hodgson threatened to return his season ticket unless we signed some more English players the swinging arm of channon
  • Score: 35

10:16pm Wed 30 Jul 14

saintbobby says...

deepheat wrote:
This will cheer you up.

Daily Mail

"Ryan Bertrand has been on Liverpool’s radar for more than 12 months and they came close to sign him in the January window but he ultimately ended up joining Aston Villa on loan. Chelsea are reluctant to sell to title rival and would want £8million for him"

Daily Mirror Jul 30, 2014 21:27

"Southampton closing in on Marcos Rojo and Saphir Taider in eye-catching double swoop

Boss Ronald Koeman has offered Sporting Lisbon £10m for versatile Rojo who can play as a centre back or left back.

Saints have also been offered Algerian international Taider on a season's loan as part of bad boy Dani Osvaldo's switch to the Serie A giants.

"Koeman has also tabled a bid for Parma winger Jonathan Biabiany, but faces competition from West Brom for the Frenchman's signature."
Nice to read and thanks. It is good to read this information so quickly and you are obviously right on to it all.

But again, thanks.
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: This will cheer you up. Daily Mail "Ryan Bertrand has been on Liverpool’s radar for more than 12 months and they came close to sign him in the January window but he ultimately ended up joining Aston Villa on loan. Chelsea are reluctant to sell to title rival and would want £8million for him" Daily Mirror Jul 30, 2014 21:27 "Southampton closing in on Marcos Rojo and Saphir Taider in eye-catching double swoop Boss Ronald Koeman has offered Sporting Lisbon £10m for versatile Rojo who can play as a centre back or left back. Saints have also been offered Algerian international Taider on a season's loan as part of bad boy Dani Osvaldo's switch to the Serie A giants. "Koeman has also tabled a bid for Parma winger Jonathan Biabiany, but faces competition from West Brom for the Frenchman's signature."[/p][/quote]Nice to read and thanks. It is good to read this information so quickly and you are obviously right on to it all. But again, thanks. saintbobby
  • Score: 14

10:19pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Benali76 says...

Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.
Sorry I missed the bit that said this completes our summer signings. No one is pretending everything is now fine but getting one of the only English youngsters to get close to Chelsea's star studded first team and did very well in a Champions league final is definitely good news. If you try and bill this news as a negative with the summer we're having then something's wrong with you.
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit![/p][/quote]So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.[/p][/quote]Sorry I missed the bit that said this completes our summer signings. No one is pretending everything is now fine but getting one of the only English youngsters to get close to Chelsea's star studded first team and did very well in a Champions league final is definitely good news. If you try and bill this news as a negative with the summer we're having then something's wrong with you. Benali76
  • Score: 34

10:20pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Mattyboysaints says...

Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.
Kno&
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit![/p][/quote]So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.[/p][/quote]Kno& Mattyboysaints
  • Score: 11

10:20pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Mattyboysaints says...

Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.
Kno&
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit![/p][/quote]So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.[/p][/quote]Kno& Mattyboysaints
  • Score: 7

10:20pm Wed 30 Jul 14

bstokesaint says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.
With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.
EXACTLY the point i'm trying to make our bank balance is awesome so invest some of it in permanent deals. Oh wait that isn't Krueger, Reed and Liebherrs "Southampton Way" is it. I've said somewhere else the problem isn't with Bertrand as he can only help but i'm so disappointed the club deliberately did this that it will take a lot to make me regain the positivity I had at the end of the season. I'm intelligent enough to understand what Mr Krueger is saying about short cuts etc but surely it isn't difficult to say to the players. "with regret we will sell you BUT ONLY once we've signed a replacement" if the club had followed this there would have been less angst from all concerned and would have been a much safer and wiser way of conducting business. Still Krueger has the problem of having little or no knowledge of football as Ice Hockey is his passion not Saints.
Have you ever thought that Chelsea might only want to loan out to get game time, they may not want to sell Bertrand.
I thought that about Lukaku, and felt sure Chelski would take him back and now he's at Everton permanently. A great bit of business. He's worth every penny of that £28m. Compare that to the fees paid for Torres and Carroll.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.[/p][/quote]With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.[/p][/quote]EXACTLY the point i'm trying to make our bank balance is awesome so invest some of it in permanent deals. Oh wait that isn't Krueger, Reed and Liebherrs "Southampton Way" is it. I've said somewhere else the problem isn't with Bertrand as he can only help but i'm so disappointed the club deliberately did this that it will take a lot to make me regain the positivity I had at the end of the season. I'm intelligent enough to understand what Mr Krueger is saying about short cuts etc but surely it isn't difficult to say to the players. "with regret we will sell you BUT ONLY once we've signed a replacement" if the club had followed this there would have been less angst from all concerned and would have been a much safer and wiser way of conducting business. Still Krueger has the problem of having little or no knowledge of football as Ice Hockey is his passion not Saints.[/p][/quote]Have you ever thought that Chelsea might only want to loan out to get game time, they may not want to sell Bertrand.[/p][/quote]I thought that about Lukaku, and felt sure Chelski would take him back and now he's at Everton permanently. A great bit of business. He's worth every penny of that £28m. Compare that to the fees paid for Torres and Carroll. bstokesaint
  • Score: 15

10:21pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

Block 42 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
Oh clever one..the same scouting network that found gaston ramirez and dani osvaldo yeah???
Well Ramirez confuses me - he periodically shows flashes of brilliance and then goes flat and then his agent cops a strop. I'm really not sure what is happening there

Osvaldo..... well I wonder how much of an influence for that signing came from Poch since he DID have Osvaldo at Espanyol before coming to us.
I think everyone would agree that, despite the flashes of brilliance we saw from Osvaldo, his behaviour was bang out of order and he deserved everything he got. Perhaps if he had been of the same standard as Suarez it might have been a slightly different story (redemption through goals)
you forgot to mention whathisface - the norwegian who came over and did stuff all.

ok so they might not have always got it right. but again, so what? they made those signings and it didn't stop us finishing 8th did it?
do you honestly think the club have given up? Do you think anyone at the club is enjoying this summer any more than the fans?

look - this summer is going to go down in football history but there are loads of positives if you look for them. we'll be fine - the club IS bigger than the players and the club will survive. Not only that, there are clear signs that the club is working bloody hard to get new players in.

I was really upset after Poch left. and by that I mean I properly threw the toys out of the cot and sulked for days. but then I realised that this was all kind of inevitable after Cortese left and that the club would have known and would have been working to make it right.

Right now what everyone at the club needs is us behind them, giving them all our support and encouragement. Not petulant demands for information and armchair FIFA players spouting ***** about what they should be doing.
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary.[/p][/quote]Oh clever one..the same scouting network that found gaston ramirez and dani osvaldo yeah???[/p][/quote]Well Ramirez confuses me - he periodically shows flashes of brilliance and then goes flat and then his agent cops a strop. I'm really not sure what is happening there Osvaldo..... well I wonder how much of an influence for that signing came from Poch since he DID have Osvaldo at Espanyol before coming to us. I think everyone would agree that, despite the flashes of brilliance we saw from Osvaldo, his behaviour was bang out of order and he deserved everything he got. Perhaps if he had been of the same standard as Suarez it might have been a slightly different story (redemption through goals) you forgot to mention whathisface - the norwegian who came over and did stuff all. ok so they might not have always got it right. but again, so what? they made those signings and it didn't stop us finishing 8th did it? do you honestly think the club have given up? Do you think anyone at the club is enjoying this summer any more than the fans? look - this summer is going to go down in football history but there are loads of positives if you look for them. we'll be fine - the club IS bigger than the players and the club will survive. Not only that, there are clear signs that the club is working bloody hard to get new players in. I was really upset after Poch left. and by that I mean I properly threw the toys out of the cot and sulked for days. but then I realised that this was all kind of inevitable after Cortese left and that the club would have known and would have been working to make it right. Right now what everyone at the club needs is us behind them, giving them all our support and encouragement. Not petulant demands for information and armchair FIFA players spouting ***** about what they should be doing. Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 34

10:21pm Wed 30 Jul 14

insider1234 says...

English, won Champions League, called up to national team, if he isn't any good we don't have to sign him.

Yet people still moan.
English, won Champions League, called up to national team, if he isn't any good we don't have to sign him. Yet people still moan. insider1234
  • Score: 36

10:21pm Wed 30 Jul 14

WobblyCat says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??
Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?
Wobblycat

You are a Rumpleteaser aren't you. Go and have a read of that article that has been mentioned on many of the forums today about the Saint's inability to add more than 4% to their wages bill.

It clearly gives a different light on our need to sell off our Players with the biggest wage demands and buy in less glamourous ones to match the Financial Fair Play rules that only apply to the bottom half of the Premiership


Expect to see more players in at around £5m rather than £10m
What the chuff is a rumpleteaser? Haven't read the aforementioned article, does it say that’s all we can spend any more on wages? Wasn’t fair play meant to reign in the big boys? I come on here to moan about things I don’t know enough to comment on, don’t try and reason with me sonny!
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: 90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??[/p][/quote]Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?[/p][/quote]Wobblycat You are a Rumpleteaser aren't you. Go and have a read of that article that has been mentioned on many of the forums today about the Saint's inability to add more than 4% to their wages bill. It clearly gives a different light on our need to sell off our Players with the biggest wage demands and buy in less glamourous ones to match the Financial Fair Play rules that only apply to the bottom half of the Premiership Expect to see more players in at around £5m rather than £10m[/p][/quote]What the chuff is a rumpleteaser? Haven't read the aforementioned article, does it say that’s all we can spend any more on wages? Wasn’t fair play meant to reign in the big boys? I come on here to moan about things I don’t know enough to comment on, don’t try and reason with me sonny! WobblyCat
  • Score: 4

10:21pm Wed 30 Jul 14

InsideOutCat says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Well, at least we have the option to keep hold of the investment in his advancement. I generally think loaning is a sign of crisis.
Just as well the people who know what they're doing don't
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: Well, at least we have the option to keep hold of the investment in his advancement. I generally think loaning is a sign of crisis.[/p][/quote]Just as well the people who know what they're doing don't InsideOutCat
  • Score: 8

10:21pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Well, at least we have the option to keep hold of the investment in his advancement. I generally think loaning is a sign of crisis.
Happy thoughts big buzz happy thoughts, does every silver lining have a cloud in to our world?
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: Well, at least we have the option to keep hold of the investment in his advancement. I generally think loaning is a sign of crisis.[/p][/quote]Happy thoughts big buzz happy thoughts, does every silver lining have a cloud in to our world? ctsaint
  • Score: 8

10:24pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
The start of the comeback ...

I predict more incomings, the building of a god squad and a great side, and a season that exceeds our current levels of expectations. It will be interesting to see how much we pay, if we do buy him, compared to how much United panic-bought Shaw for ... and also interesting to see if Bertrand is fit, rather than being a porked-up lard- bucket :-)
Yes but the board are useless and they've got it all wrong according to some.........mostly those devoid of logic, sense and basic comprehension......u
sually associated with people aged 5 or below.....
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: The start of the comeback ... I predict more incomings, the building of a god squad and a great side, and a season that exceeds our current levels of expectations. It will be interesting to see how much we pay, if we do buy him, compared to how much United panic-bought Shaw for ... and also interesting to see if Bertrand is fit, rather than being a porked-up lard- bucket :-)[/p][/quote]Yes but the board are useless and they've got it all wrong according to some.........mostly those devoid of logic, sense and basic comprehension......u sually associated with people aged 5 or below..... ctsaint
  • Score: 1

10:24pm Wed 30 Jul 14

mattthecat1980 says...

Great to sign someone with premiership experience and an English man to good work more know please,Connor Wickham please good potential and prob get him for around 8 mill
Great to sign someone with premiership experience and an English man to good work more know please,Connor Wickham please good potential and prob get him for around 8 mill mattthecat1980
  • Score: 1

10:25pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
First loan signing for a while. Maybe we can eek out an existence training up players for the competitive teams.
Dull!
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: First loan signing for a while. Maybe we can eek out an existence training up players for the competitive teams.[/p][/quote]Dull! ctsaint
  • Score: 2

10:25pm Wed 30 Jul 14

InsideOutCat says...

Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.
No. We need good players coming in regardless of how "big" or expensive they are. If Chelsea didn't rate this lad they'd have let him go a while back.
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit![/p][/quote]So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.[/p][/quote]No. We need good players coming in regardless of how "big" or expensive they are. If Chelsea didn't rate this lad they'd have let him go a while back. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 10

10:26pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Dave Brown says...

Tottenham spent one hundred million pounds last season and what did they win.
Perhaps we should take a step back and allow Big Ron time to build his squad and judge his ability as the season progresses.
We are all very good at being arm chair managers and chairmen but I wonder how the the club would progress if any one of us was in charge.
I helped manage teams in the Tyro League and you could not please all the people all the time within what was boys football playing for fun.
The disease called money has a lot to answer for.
Tottenham spent one hundred million pounds last season and what did they win. Perhaps we should take a step back and allow Big Ron time to build his squad and judge his ability as the season progresses. We are all very good at being arm chair managers and chairmen but I wonder how the the club would progress if any one of us was in charge. I helped manage teams in the Tyro League and you could not please all the people all the time within what was boys football playing for fun. The disease called money has a lot to answer for. Dave Brown
  • Score: 38

10:26pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.
Impatient! And short sighted.
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit![/p][/quote]So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.[/p][/quote]Impatient! And short sighted. ctsaint
  • Score: 14

10:26pm Wed 30 Jul 14

fascia123 says...

berry boy wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
typical block 42 comment
Did you miss the word head from your user name?
[quote][p][bold]berry boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]typical block 42 comment[/p][/quote]Did you miss the word head from your user name? fascia123
  • Score: 9

10:26pm Wed 30 Jul 14

thinklikealocal says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
Unnecessary? Unavoidable? Bit of both maybe?
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary.[/p][/quote]Unnecessary? Unavoidable? Bit of both maybe? thinklikealocal
  • Score: -5

10:27pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.
yes I would love to know what happened.

but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season.

don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone.
I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that

so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be
1) get safe from relegation
2) see 1)

after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less.
we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season.
[quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.[/p][/quote]yes I would love to know what happened. but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season. don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone. I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be 1) get safe from relegation 2) see 1) after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less. we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season. Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 10

10:27pm Wed 30 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

poshdave wrote:
..............not really what we are all waiting for?,............loa

n signing?........we are waiting for the club to make an acqusition that will show their intent after whats happened over the past few weeks, ................we need to see action (not words) which will give us fans confidence for the new season,..........is this it?. you are very easily pleased if so....
Rome was not built in a day and it is no good panic buying,we don't want to waste money on another Osvaldo now do we.
[quote][p][bold]poshdave[/bold] wrote: ..............not really what we are all waiting for?,............loa n signing?........we are waiting for the club to make an acqusition that will show their intent after whats happened over the past few weeks, ................we need to see action (not words) which will give us fans confidence for the new season,..........is this it?. you are very easily pleased if so....[/p][/quote]Rome was not built in a day and it is no good panic buying,we don't want to waste money on another Osvaldo now do we. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 12

10:27pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

WobblyCat wrote:
90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??
More like wobbly bum! Doom doom doom! Still to hear any sort of theory that makes sense from the sorry warts!
[quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: 90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??[/p][/quote]More like wobbly bum! Doom doom doom! Still to hear any sort of theory that makes sense from the sorry warts! ctsaint
  • Score: 6

10:28pm Wed 30 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.
journey man? hes only 24 ffs. another player chelski brought and just loaned out, like lukaku, journey man? and the keeper who won e league in spain and got to the chams league final!
hes young English and with prem experience, and if he doesn't suit we send him back
luke seems to be the `big` player seeing as hes unfit!
tell me though where I said I`m happy that luke left?
this is a sign of intent though and a loan deal is the perfect fit as it gives Ronnie the chance to have a good look at targett during the season to see if he is as good as we hope, if he is we send ryan back and haven't wasted our transfer kitty on a player we don't need. as I said perfect fit!

again though, how did that last cheski reject we brought do?

theres no pleasing some people.
oh forgot to add that this `reject` is also a league cup and champions league winner having played in both finals! and has a FA cup winners medal. not bad haul of trophies for a 24yr old reject is it!
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit![/p][/quote]So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.[/p][/quote]journey man? hes only 24 ffs. another player chelski brought and just loaned out, like lukaku, journey man? and the keeper who won e league in spain and got to the chams league final! hes young English and with prem experience, and if he doesn't suit we send him back luke seems to be the `big` player seeing as hes unfit! tell me though where I said I`m happy that luke left? this is a sign of intent though and a loan deal is the perfect fit as it gives Ronnie the chance to have a good look at targett during the season to see if he is as good as we hope, if he is we send ryan back and haven't wasted our transfer kitty on a player we don't need. as I said perfect fit! again though, how did that last cheski reject we brought do? theres no pleasing some people.[/p][/quote]oh forgot to add that this `reject` is also a league cup and champions league winner having played in both finals! and has a FA cup winners medal. not bad haul of trophies for a 24yr old reject is it! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 15

10:29pm Wed 30 Jul 14

InCortesewetrust says...

Better than a kick in the face I suppose, dose this mean that we won't be signing Rojo? Why buy a cow when the milk is free?
Better than a kick in the face I suppose, dose this mean that we won't be signing Rojo? Why buy a cow when the milk is free? InCortesewetrust
  • Score: -11

10:31pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
Unnecessary? Unavoidable? Bit of both maybe?
Unnecessary,but subsequently..unavoi
dable.Yes,you're right!
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary.[/p][/quote]Unnecessary? Unavoidable? Bit of both maybe?[/p][/quote]Unnecessary,but subsequently..unavoi dable.Yes,you're right! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

10:31pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Correction....one of the best in the world, having produced the world most expensive teenager and player.........doom doom doom! Lol
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Correction....one of the best in the world, having produced the world most expensive teenager and player.........doom doom doom! Lol ctsaint
  • Score: 5

10:32pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

poshdave wrote:
..............not really what we are all waiting for?,............loa

n signing?........we are waiting for the club to make an acqusition that will show their intent after whats happened over the past few weeks, ................we need to see action (not words) which will give us fans confidence for the new season,..........is this it?. you are very easily pleased if so....
Spend spend spend....that's our strategy? Am I right?
[quote][p][bold]poshdave[/bold] wrote: ..............not really what we are all waiting for?,............loa n signing?........we are waiting for the club to make an acqusition that will show their intent after whats happened over the past few weeks, ................we need to see action (not words) which will give us fans confidence for the new season,..........is this it?. you are very easily pleased if so....[/p][/quote]Spend spend spend....that's our strategy? Am I right? ctsaint
  • Score: 5

10:32pm Wed 30 Jul 14

WobblyCat says...

SwedeSaint wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
Oh clever one..the same scouting network that found gaston ramirez and dani osvaldo yeah???
Do you support Saints?
Odd set of comments you've made so far if you do!
Just saying......
We can pay the money to watch the games, buy the kit, eat some very questionable half time food but can’t comment on the club without are loyalty being questioned? Gaston Ramirez and Dani Osvaldo (especially the latter) were a complete waste of money and I firking love the Saints always have, I won’t support another team ever! I believe you are called swede saint because you have a vegetable for a head! Albeit very tasty mashed with butter and pepper.
[quote][p][bold]SwedeSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary.[/p][/quote]Oh clever one..the same scouting network that found gaston ramirez and dani osvaldo yeah???[/p][/quote]Do you support Saints? Odd set of comments you've made so far if you do! Just saying......[/p][/quote]We can pay the money to watch the games, buy the kit, eat some very questionable half time food but can’t comment on the club without are loyalty being questioned? Gaston Ramirez and Dani Osvaldo (especially the latter) were a complete waste of money and I firking love the Saints always have, I won’t support another team ever! I believe you are called swede saint because you have a vegetable for a head! Albeit very tasty mashed with butter and pepper. WobblyCat
  • Score: -9

10:33pm Wed 30 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

bstokesaint wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.
With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.
EXACTLY the point i'm trying to make our bank balance is awesome so invest some of it in permanent deals. Oh wait that isn't Krueger, Reed and Liebherrs "Southampton Way" is it. I've said somewhere else the problem isn't with Bertrand as he can only help but i'm so disappointed the club deliberately did this that it will take a lot to make me regain the positivity I had at the end of the season. I'm intelligent enough to understand what Mr Krueger is saying about short cuts etc but surely it isn't difficult to say to the players. "with regret we will sell you BUT ONLY once we've signed a replacement" if the club had followed this there would have been less angst from all concerned and would have been a much safer and wiser way of conducting business. Still Krueger has the problem of having little or no knowledge of football as Ice Hockey is his passion not Saints.
Have you ever thought that Chelsea might only want to loan out to get game time, they may not want to sell Bertrand.
I thought that about Lukaku, and felt sure Chelski would take him back and now he's at Everton permanently. A great bit of business. He's worth every penny of that £28m. Compare that to the fees paid for Torres and Carroll.
I think Everton have got a great player for £28m, our day will come again we just have to be patient.
[quote][p][bold]bstokesaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.[/p][/quote]With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.[/p][/quote]EXACTLY the point i'm trying to make our bank balance is awesome so invest some of it in permanent deals. Oh wait that isn't Krueger, Reed and Liebherrs "Southampton Way" is it. I've said somewhere else the problem isn't with Bertrand as he can only help but i'm so disappointed the club deliberately did this that it will take a lot to make me regain the positivity I had at the end of the season. I'm intelligent enough to understand what Mr Krueger is saying about short cuts etc but surely it isn't difficult to say to the players. "with regret we will sell you BUT ONLY once we've signed a replacement" if the club had followed this there would have been less angst from all concerned and would have been a much safer and wiser way of conducting business. Still Krueger has the problem of having little or no knowledge of football as Ice Hockey is his passion not Saints.[/p][/quote]Have you ever thought that Chelsea might only want to loan out to get game time, they may not want to sell Bertrand.[/p][/quote]I thought that about Lukaku, and felt sure Chelski would take him back and now he's at Everton permanently. A great bit of business. He's worth every penny of that £28m. Compare that to the fees paid for Torres and Carroll.[/p][/quote]I think Everton have got a great player for £28m, our day will come again we just have to be patient. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 7

10:33pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Benali76 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.
journey man? hes only 24 ffs. another player chelski brought and just loaned out, like lukaku, journey man? and the keeper who won e league in spain and got to the chams league final!
hes young English and with prem experience, and if he doesn't suit we send him back
luke seems to be the `big` player seeing as hes unfit!
tell me though where I said I`m happy that luke left?
this is a sign of intent though and a loan deal is the perfect fit as it gives Ronnie the chance to have a good look at targett during the season to see if he is as good as we hope, if he is we send ryan back and haven't wasted our transfer kitty on a player we don't need. as I said perfect fit!

again though, how did that last cheski reject we brought do?

theres no pleasing some people.
Well said. My bet is if Swansea or West Ham picked him up for a season loan he'd be moaning "why didn't we get"?
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit![/p][/quote]So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.[/p][/quote]journey man? hes only 24 ffs. another player chelski brought and just loaned out, like lukaku, journey man? and the keeper who won e league in spain and got to the chams league final! hes young English and with prem experience, and if he doesn't suit we send him back luke seems to be the `big` player seeing as hes unfit! tell me though where I said I`m happy that luke left? this is a sign of intent though and a loan deal is the perfect fit as it gives Ronnie the chance to have a good look at targett during the season to see if he is as good as we hope, if he is we send ryan back and haven't wasted our transfer kitty on a player we don't need. as I said perfect fit! again though, how did that last cheski reject we brought do? theres no pleasing some people.[/p][/quote]Well said. My bet is if Swansea or West Ham picked him up for a season loan he'd be moaning "why didn't we get"? Benali76
  • Score: 21

10:33pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Redslo says...

Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??
Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?
Wobblycat

You are a Rumpleteaser aren't you. Go and have a read of that article that has been mentioned on many of the forums today about the Saint's inability to add more than 4% to their wages bill.

It clearly gives a different light on our need to sell off our Players with the biggest wage demands and buy in less glamourous ones to match the Financial Fair Play rules that only apply to the bottom half of the Premiership


Expect to see more players in at around £5m rather than £10m
The 4 percent figure in the article was an error. It was supposed to be 4 million pounds as it stated later in the article. Also, it is more complicated than that because net positive transfer spent and net increase in commercial income can be used to increase salary as well.
[quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: 90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??[/p][/quote]Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?[/p][/quote]Wobblycat You are a Rumpleteaser aren't you. Go and have a read of that article that has been mentioned on many of the forums today about the Saint's inability to add more than 4% to their wages bill. It clearly gives a different light on our need to sell off our Players with the biggest wage demands and buy in less glamourous ones to match the Financial Fair Play rules that only apply to the bottom half of the Premiership Expect to see more players in at around £5m rather than £10m[/p][/quote]The 4 percent figure in the article was an error. It was supposed to be 4 million pounds as it stated later in the article. Also, it is more complicated than that because net positive transfer spent and net increase in commercial income can be used to increase salary as well. Redslo
  • Score: 4

10:34pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
Great what would u have done, the financial facts are available , KL, RK and the rest of us want to hear it? Anything...........o
f yes....spend money we don't generate and break FFP rules ...u sir...genius!
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary.[/p][/quote]Great what would u have done, the financial facts are available , KL, RK and the rest of us want to hear it? Anything...........o f yes....spend money we don't generate and break FFP rules ...u sir...genius! ctsaint
  • Score: 3

10:34pm Wed 30 Jul 14

WobblyCat says...

Do we get Forster now the jocks have been tonked!
Do we get Forster now the jocks have been tonked! WobblyCat
  • Score: 10

10:36pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

Redslo wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??
Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?
Wobblycat

You are a Rumpleteaser aren't you. Go and have a read of that article that has been mentioned on many of the forums today about the Saint's inability to add more than 4% to their wages bill.

It clearly gives a different light on our need to sell off our Players with the biggest wage demands and buy in less glamourous ones to match the Financial Fair Play rules that only apply to the bottom half of the Premiership


Expect to see more players in at around £5m rather than £10m
The 4 percent figure in the article was an error. It was supposed to be 4 million pounds as it stated later in the article. Also, it is more complicated than that because net positive transfer spent and net increase in commercial income can be used to increase salary as well.
You just spotted part of the plan to boost our wages capability, it's elementary dear Watson .......make your own, buy well and sell high...revenue and profits grow, future becomes bright.....unlike the neg heads....
[quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: 90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??[/p][/quote]Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?[/p][/quote]Wobblycat You are a Rumpleteaser aren't you. Go and have a read of that article that has been mentioned on many of the forums today about the Saint's inability to add more than 4% to their wages bill. It clearly gives a different light on our need to sell off our Players with the biggest wage demands and buy in less glamourous ones to match the Financial Fair Play rules that only apply to the bottom half of the Premiership Expect to see more players in at around £5m rather than £10m[/p][/quote]The 4 percent figure in the article was an error. It was supposed to be 4 million pounds as it stated later in the article. Also, it is more complicated than that because net positive transfer spent and net increase in commercial income can be used to increase salary as well.[/p][/quote]You just spotted part of the plan to boost our wages capability, it's elementary dear Watson .......make your own, buy well and sell high...revenue and profits grow, future becomes bright.....unlike the neg heads.... ctsaint
  • Score: 10

10:36pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Jesus_02 says...

St.David wrote:
Great signing. . Good back up for Target who will be our No.3 this year. . Welcome aboard Ryan . . You really are most welcome!, coyrs!!!
There you go...there is a possitive atti
[quote][p][bold]St.David[/bold] wrote: Great signing. . Good back up for Target who will be our No.3 this year. . Welcome aboard Ryan . . You really are most welcome!, coyrs!!![/p][/quote]There you go...there is a possitive atti Jesus_02
  • Score: 5

10:36pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

Redslo wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??
Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?
Wobblycat

You are a Rumpleteaser aren't you. Go and have a read of that article that has been mentioned on many of the forums today about the Saint's inability to add more than 4% to their wages bill.

It clearly gives a different light on our need to sell off our Players with the biggest wage demands and buy in less glamourous ones to match the Financial Fair Play rules that only apply to the bottom half of the Premiership


Expect to see more players in at around £5m rather than £10m
The 4 percent figure in the article was an error. It was supposed to be 4 million pounds as it stated later in the article. Also, it is more complicated than that because net positive transfer spent and net increase in commercial income can be used to increase salary as well.
You just spotted part of the plan to boost our wages capability, it's elementary dear Watson .......make your own, buy well and sell high...revenue and profits grow, future becomes bright.....unlike the neg heads....
[quote][p][bold]Redslo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: 90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??[/p][/quote]Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?[/p][/quote]Wobblycat You are a Rumpleteaser aren't you. Go and have a read of that article that has been mentioned on many of the forums today about the Saint's inability to add more than 4% to their wages bill. It clearly gives a different light on our need to sell off our Players with the biggest wage demands and buy in less glamourous ones to match the Financial Fair Play rules that only apply to the bottom half of the Premiership Expect to see more players in at around £5m rather than £10m[/p][/quote]The 4 percent figure in the article was an error. It was supposed to be 4 million pounds as it stated later in the article. Also, it is more complicated than that because net positive transfer spent and net increase in commercial income can be used to increase salary as well.[/p][/quote]You just spotted part of the plan to boost our wages capability, it's elementary dear Watson .......make your own, buy well and sell high...revenue and profits grow, future becomes bright.....unlike the neg heads.... ctsaint
  • Score: 4

10:38pm Wed 30 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

frenchvic wrote:
This feller play with Vlaar last season, it might help to get him.
It could be part of a cunning plan!
[quote][p][bold]frenchvic[/bold] wrote: This feller play with Vlaar last season, it might help to get him.[/p][/quote]It could be part of a cunning plan! THE12THMAN
  • Score: 5

10:39pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

This is an excellent signing. He's a good wing back and is easily as good as the tubby lad we stitched Manure up with. It gives every opportunity for Targett to improve a bit and show that he has what it takes, while still having the option to sign him permanently when he supplies many more assists this season than tubby did. It also leaves our huge transfer kitty untouched for 3 or 4 marquee signings. Now we need a good solid centre back or two as well. If we only pay £15 million for each we'll still get the neggies on moaning about how they must be worse than the totally unprofessional Lovren (who we stitched up Thievingskiverpool with) cos they cost less.
This is an excellent signing. He's a good wing back and is easily as good as the tubby lad we stitched Manure up with. It gives every opportunity for Targett to improve a bit and show that he has what it takes, while still having the option to sign him permanently when he supplies many more assists this season than tubby did. It also leaves our huge transfer kitty untouched for 3 or 4 marquee signings. Now we need a good solid centre back or two as well. If we only pay £15 million for each we'll still get the neggies on moaning about how they must be worse than the totally unprofessional Lovren (who we stitched up Thievingskiverpool with) cos they cost less. Clever Dick
  • Score: 11

10:39pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

WobblyCat wrote:
SwedeSaint wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
Oh clever one..the same scouting network that found gaston ramirez and dani osvaldo yeah???
Do you support Saints?
Odd set of comments you've made so far if you do!
Just saying......
We can pay the money to watch the games, buy the kit, eat some very questionable half time food but can’t comment on the club without are loyalty being questioned? Gaston Ramirez and Dani Osvaldo (especially the latter) were a complete waste of money and I firking love the Saints always have, I won’t support another team ever! I believe you are called swede saint because you have a vegetable for a head! Albeit very tasty mashed with butter and pepper.
And yet.... Buy Bertrand and that's better than try b4 u buy according to some......list what the Leibher. Money has done and then the negatives (from where we stood when they saved us)...PLEASE post the two lists, it's almost bedtime here and iam due a laugh!
[quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwedeSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary.[/p][/quote]Oh clever one..the same scouting network that found gaston ramirez and dani osvaldo yeah???[/p][/quote]Do you support Saints? Odd set of comments you've made so far if you do! Just saying......[/p][/quote]We can pay the money to watch the games, buy the kit, eat some very questionable half time food but can’t comment on the club without are loyalty being questioned? Gaston Ramirez and Dani Osvaldo (especially the latter) were a complete waste of money and I firking love the Saints always have, I won’t support another team ever! I believe you are called swede saint because you have a vegetable for a head! Albeit very tasty mashed with butter and pepper.[/p][/quote]And yet.... Buy Bertrand and that's better than try b4 u buy according to some......list what the Leibher. Money has done and then the negatives (from where we stood when they saved us)...PLEASE post the two lists, it's almost bedtime here and iam due a laugh! ctsaint
  • Score: 5

10:40pm Wed 30 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.
With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.
EXACTLY the point i'm trying to make our bank balance is awesome so invest some of it in permanent deals. Oh wait that isn't Krueger, Reed and Liebherrs "Southampton Way" is it. I've said somewhere else the problem isn't with Bertrand as he can only help but i'm so disappointed the club deliberately did this that it will take a lot to make me regain the positivity I had at the end of the season. I'm intelligent enough to understand what Mr Krueger is saying about short cuts etc but surely it isn't difficult to say to the players. "with regret we will sell you BUT ONLY once we've signed a replacement" if the club had followed this there would have been less angst from all concerned and would have been a much safer and wiser way of conducting business. Still Krueger has the problem of having little or no knowledge of football as Ice Hockey is his passion not Saints.
Have you ever thought that Chelsea might only want to loan out to get game time, they may not want to sell Bertrand.
if they didn't want to sell him why did they give us an option to buy? its our choice now if we want him they have to accept the already agreed fee, whatever that is!
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.[/p][/quote]With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.[/p][/quote]EXACTLY the point i'm trying to make our bank balance is awesome so invest some of it in permanent deals. Oh wait that isn't Krueger, Reed and Liebherrs "Southampton Way" is it. I've said somewhere else the problem isn't with Bertrand as he can only help but i'm so disappointed the club deliberately did this that it will take a lot to make me regain the positivity I had at the end of the season. I'm intelligent enough to understand what Mr Krueger is saying about short cuts etc but surely it isn't difficult to say to the players. "with regret we will sell you BUT ONLY once we've signed a replacement" if the club had followed this there would have been less angst from all concerned and would have been a much safer and wiser way of conducting business. Still Krueger has the problem of having little or no knowledge of football as Ice Hockey is his passion not Saints.[/p][/quote]Have you ever thought that Chelsea might only want to loan out to get game time, they may not want to sell Bertrand.[/p][/quote]if they didn't want to sell him why did they give us an option to buy? its our choice now if we want him they have to accept the already agreed fee, whatever that is! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 7

10:40pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

ctsaint wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
Great what would u have done, the financial facts are available , KL, RK and the rest of us want to hear it? Anything...........o

f yes....spend money we don't generate and break FFP rules ...u sir...genius!
Not upset Cortese and the whole team,and bought a goalkeeper,centre back and striker.Job done!
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary.[/p][/quote]Great what would u have done, the financial facts are available , KL, RK and the rest of us want to hear it? Anything...........o f yes....spend money we don't generate and break FFP rules ...u sir...genius![/p][/quote]Not upset Cortese and the whole team,and bought a goalkeeper,centre back and striker.Job done! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -1

10:40pm Wed 30 Jul 14

WobblyCat says...

InsideOutCat wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.
No. We need good players coming in regardless of how "big" or expensive they are. If Chelsea didn't rate this lad they'd have let him go a while back.
Are we related?

Score: 1,378
[quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit![/p][/quote]So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.[/p][/quote]No. We need good players coming in regardless of how "big" or expensive they are. If Chelsea didn't rate this lad they'd have let him go a while back.[/p][/quote]Are we related? Score: 1,378 WobblyCat
  • Score: 0

10:40pm Wed 30 Jul 14

SwedeSaint says...

WobblyCat wrote:
SwedeSaint wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
Oh clever one..the same scouting network that found gaston ramirez and dani osvaldo yeah???
Do you support Saints?
Odd set of comments you've made so far if you do!
Just saying......
We can pay the money to watch the games, buy the kit, eat some very questionable half time food but can’t comment on the club without are loyalty being questioned? Gaston Ramirez and Dani Osvaldo (especially the latter) were a complete waste of money and I firking love the Saints always have, I won’t support another team ever! I believe you are called swede saint because you have a vegetable for a head! Albeit very tasty mashed with butter and pepper.
Comment aimed at Block 42, but thanks for the insult.
I wouldn't criticise anyone for commenting, but if you publish a view, you invite scrutiny......like I have from you.
[quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwedeSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary.[/p][/quote]Oh clever one..the same scouting network that found gaston ramirez and dani osvaldo yeah???[/p][/quote]Do you support Saints? Odd set of comments you've made so far if you do! Just saying......[/p][/quote]We can pay the money to watch the games, buy the kit, eat some very questionable half time food but can’t comment on the club without are loyalty being questioned? Gaston Ramirez and Dani Osvaldo (especially the latter) were a complete waste of money and I firking love the Saints always have, I won’t support another team ever! I believe you are called swede saint because you have a vegetable for a head! Albeit very tasty mashed with butter and pepper.[/p][/quote]Comment aimed at Block 42, but thanks for the insult. I wouldn't criticise anyone for commenting, but if you publish a view, you invite scrutiny......like I have from you. SwedeSaint
  • Score: 3

10:42pm Wed 30 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now.

The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.
They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now. The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets. one in the crowd
  • Score: -23

10:42pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Shareholder says...

Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.
Could you please add the word 'head' after your first name please? It will make more sense.
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit![/p][/quote]So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.[/p][/quote]Could you please add the word 'head' after your first name please? It will make more sense. Shareholder
  • Score: 6

10:45pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

InsideOutCat wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.
No. We need good players coming in regardless of how "big" or expensive they are. If Chelsea didn't rate this lad they'd have let him go a while back.
To the genius naysayers if they didn't rate him they would sell not loan him....they are not sure........so with our coaching and training methods a 24 year old champions league winner just might be ok nes pas?
[quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit![/p][/quote]So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.[/p][/quote]No. We need good players coming in regardless of how "big" or expensive they are. If Chelsea didn't rate this lad they'd have let him go a while back.[/p][/quote]To the genius naysayers if they didn't rate him they would sell not loan him....they are not sure........so with our coaching and training methods a 24 year old champions league winner just might be ok nes pas? ctsaint
  • Score: 4

10:46pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Tony Robertson says...

It's a funny old game, Saints fans!

Let's get behind the bloke; should be an interesting season.

Tony Robertson, Stranraer
It's a funny old game, Saints fans! Let's get behind the bloke; should be an interesting season. Tony Robertson, Stranraer Tony Robertson
  • Score: 9

10:46pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

one in the crowd wrote:
They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now.

The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.
I won't use large words so as not to confuse you........DULL
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now. The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.[/p][/quote]I won't use large words so as not to confuse you........DULL ctsaint
  • Score: 7

10:47pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

one in the crowd wrote:
They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now.

The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.
Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away!
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now. The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.[/p][/quote]Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -6

10:49pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Blind Faith Believer says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
CELTIC on their way out of CL .... let;s get the duo in as our next 2 signings. COYR+WS
Marek Saganowski (remember him) played for Legia Warsaw tonight - deep deep undercover for the Saints master plan to secure Frazer Forster before the end of next week
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: CELTIC on their way out of CL .... let;s get the duo in as our next 2 signings. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Marek Saganowski (remember him) played for Legia Warsaw tonight - deep deep undercover for the Saints master plan to secure Frazer Forster before the end of next week Blind Faith Believer
  • Score: 7

10:50pm Wed 30 Jul 14

noodlesnewman says...

StJohn wrote:
Um he's ok but he's no Guly.
i got the humour , nice !
[quote][p][bold]StJohn[/bold] wrote: Um he's ok but he's no Guly.[/p][/quote]i got the humour , nice ! noodlesnewman
  • Score: 6

10:51pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
Great what would u have done, the financial facts are available , KL, RK and the rest of us want to hear it? Anything...........o


f yes....spend money we don't generate and break FFP rules ...u sir...genius!
Not upset Cortese and the whole team,and bought a goalkeeper,centre back and striker.Job done!
Genius.....by not upset Cortese what does that entail? What about salaries FFP and long term future? When u get paid your salary do you immediately buy a new house, a boat and two Ferrari 's without a care about whether you have the cash to insure, heat, maintain, fuel them etc etc ? What you suggest is easy to say and impossible to execute......am I missing something?
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary.[/p][/quote]Great what would u have done, the financial facts are available , KL, RK and the rest of us want to hear it? Anything...........o f yes....spend money we don't generate and break FFP rules ...u sir...genius![/p][/quote]Not upset Cortese and the whole team,and bought a goalkeeper,centre back and striker.Job done![/p][/quote]Genius.....by not upset Cortese what does that entail? What about salaries FFP and long term future? When u get paid your salary do you immediately buy a new house, a boat and two Ferrari 's without a care about whether you have the cash to insure, heat, maintain, fuel them etc etc ? What you suggest is easy to say and impossible to execute......am I missing something? ctsaint
  • Score: 3

10:51pm Wed 30 Jul 14

SaintsFan97 says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Most fans, even those who don't support Saints, say our youth academy is one of the best in Europe. I'd rate it 9/10 (and only clubs like Barcelona, Ajax and Sporting Lisbon would get 10).

But more to the point you're absolutely right, we should all be positive and realise we could quite easily be at least as good, if not better than we were last season. We've sold 5 key players so far, but we've replaced 3 of them now. I reckon if we can get two centre-backs, a goalkeeper and another striker/winger we'll be set for another great season.

As for Bertrand, I reckon is the right quality of player we're looking for in this position--as people have said, he and Targett will have good competition next season as did Clyne and Chambers last season.

Possible first XI for next season: Forster; Bertrand/Targett, Fonte, van Dijk, Clyne; Cork, Schneiderlin, Davis/Ward-Prowse; Pellé, Tadic, Rodriguez (on the basis that Krueger keeps his word about Schneiderlin and Rodriguez)

And who knows what's to come from the next crop of young stars coming through our academy?

COYS
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Most fans, even those who don't support Saints, say our youth academy is one of the best in Europe. I'd rate it 9/10 (and only clubs like Barcelona, Ajax and Sporting Lisbon would get 10). But more to the point you're absolutely right, we should all be positive and realise we could quite easily be at least as good, if not better than we were last season. We've sold 5 key players so far, but we've replaced 3 of them now. I reckon if we can get two centre-backs, a goalkeeper and another striker/winger we'll be set for another great season. As for Bertrand, I reckon is the right quality of player we're looking for in this position--as people have said, he and Targett will have good competition next season as did Clyne and Chambers last season. Possible first XI for next season: Forster; Bertrand/Targett, Fonte, van Dijk, Clyne; Cork, Schneiderlin, Davis/Ward-Prowse; Pellé, Tadic, Rodriguez (on the basis that Krueger keeps his word about Schneiderlin and Rodriguez) And who knows what's to come from the next crop of young stars coming through our academy? COYS SaintsFan97
  • Score: 1

10:52pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now.

The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.
Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away!
Yes, both of you, please do, after all, the evidence suggests there is simply no point !
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now. The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.[/p][/quote]Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away![/p][/quote]Yes, both of you, please do, after all, the evidence suggests there is simply no point ! ctsaint
  • Score: 0

10:53pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Shareholder says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
Loan signings - hardly part of a longer-term plan and I'm sorry but Bertrand does not represent progression. This is a desperate signing - the Lady is not impressed! Lies, you can surely do better, little boy!
The name says it all!
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: Loan signings - hardly part of a longer-term plan and I'm sorry but Bertrand does not represent progression. This is a desperate signing - the Lady is not impressed! Lies, you can surely do better, little boy![/p][/quote]The name says it all! Shareholder
  • Score: 23

10:53pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

ctsaint wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
Great what would u have done, the financial facts are available , KL, RK and the rest of us want to hear it? Anything...........o



f yes....spend money we don't generate and break FFP rules ...u sir...genius!
Not upset Cortese and the whole team,and bought a goalkeeper,centre back and striker.Job done!
Genius.....by not upset Cortese what does that entail? What about salaries FFP and long term future? When u get paid your salary do you immediately buy a new house, a boat and two Ferrari 's without a care about whether you have the cash to insure, heat, maintain, fuel them etc etc ? What you suggest is easy to say and impossible to execute......am I missing something?
Well,it would have been easy to execute at the end of last season..not now it ain't!
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary.[/p][/quote]Great what would u have done, the financial facts are available , KL, RK and the rest of us want to hear it? Anything...........o f yes....spend money we don't generate and break FFP rules ...u sir...genius![/p][/quote]Not upset Cortese and the whole team,and bought a goalkeeper,centre back and striker.Job done![/p][/quote]Genius.....by not upset Cortese what does that entail? What about salaries FFP and long term future? When u get paid your salary do you immediately buy a new house, a boat and two Ferrari 's without a care about whether you have the cash to insure, heat, maintain, fuel them etc etc ? What you suggest is easy to say and impossible to execute......am I missing something?[/p][/quote]Well,it would have been easy to execute at the end of last season..not now it ain't! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

10:53pm Wed 30 Jul 14

circa 66 saint says...

Well that was one hell of an Enima SAINTS have had this summer. Nothing like a good clear out maybe just another couple of tur,ds to finish the job. Now Ron go and buy us a top 6 team.
Well that was one hell of an Enima SAINTS have had this summer. Nothing like a good clear out maybe just another couple of tur,ds to finish the job. Now Ron go and buy us a top 6 team. circa 66 saint
  • Score: 4

10:54pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

SaintsFan97 wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Most fans, even those who don't support Saints, say our youth academy is one of the best in Europe. I'd rate it 9/10 (and only clubs like Barcelona, Ajax and Sporting Lisbon would get 10).

But more to the point you're absolutely right, we should all be positive and realise we could quite easily be at least as good, if not better than we were last season. We've sold 5 key players so far, but we've replaced 3 of them now. I reckon if we can get two centre-backs, a goalkeeper and another striker/winger we'll be set for another great season.

As for Bertrand, I reckon is the right quality of player we're looking for in this position--as people have said, he and Targett will have good competition next season as did Clyne and Chambers last season.

Possible first XI for next season: Forster; Bertrand/Targett, Fonte, van Dijk, Clyne; Cork, Schneiderlin, Davis/Ward-Prowse; Pellé, Tadic, Rodriguez (on the basis that Krueger keeps his word about Schneiderlin and Rodriguez)

And who knows what's to come from the next crop of young stars coming through our academy?

COYS
Any reason why to a man most on this sight ignore the 5 academy hopefuls promoted to the squad? That's what we come from? What's changed.......gettin
g very confused, I should be suicidal and yet I think it's all ok , I am off to do some clapping!
[quote][p][bold]SaintsFan97[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Most fans, even those who don't support Saints, say our youth academy is one of the best in Europe. I'd rate it 9/10 (and only clubs like Barcelona, Ajax and Sporting Lisbon would get 10). But more to the point you're absolutely right, we should all be positive and realise we could quite easily be at least as good, if not better than we were last season. We've sold 5 key players so far, but we've replaced 3 of them now. I reckon if we can get two centre-backs, a goalkeeper and another striker/winger we'll be set for another great season. As for Bertrand, I reckon is the right quality of player we're looking for in this position--as people have said, he and Targett will have good competition next season as did Clyne and Chambers last season. Possible first XI for next season: Forster; Bertrand/Targett, Fonte, van Dijk, Clyne; Cork, Schneiderlin, Davis/Ward-Prowse; Pellé, Tadic, Rodriguez (on the basis that Krueger keeps his word about Schneiderlin and Rodriguez) And who knows what's to come from the next crop of young stars coming through our academy? COYS[/p][/quote]Any reason why to a man most on this sight ignore the 5 academy hopefuls promoted to the squad? That's what we come from? What's changed.......gettin g very confused, I should be suicidal and yet I think it's all ok , I am off to do some clapping! ctsaint
  • Score: 8

10:55pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
Great what would u have done, the financial facts are available , KL, RK and the rest of us want to hear it? Anything...........o




f yes....spend money we don't generate and break FFP rules ...u sir...genius!
Not upset Cortese and the whole team,and bought a goalkeeper,centre back and striker.Job done!
Genius.....by not upset Cortese what does that entail? What about salaries FFP and long term future? When u get paid your salary do you immediately buy a new house, a boat and two Ferrari 's without a care about whether you have the cash to insure, heat, maintain, fuel them etc etc ? What you suggest is easy to say and impossible to execute......am I missing something?
Well,it would have been easy to execute at the end of last season..not now it ain't!
How? Do the maths. Or read FFP rules and our accounts........
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary.[/p][/quote]Great what would u have done, the financial facts are available , KL, RK and the rest of us want to hear it? Anything...........o f yes....spend money we don't generate and break FFP rules ...u sir...genius![/p][/quote]Not upset Cortese and the whole team,and bought a goalkeeper,centre back and striker.Job done![/p][/quote]Genius.....by not upset Cortese what does that entail? What about salaries FFP and long term future? When u get paid your salary do you immediately buy a new house, a boat and two Ferrari 's without a care about whether you have the cash to insure, heat, maintain, fuel them etc etc ? What you suggest is easy to say and impossible to execute......am I missing something?[/p][/quote]Well,it would have been easy to execute at the end of last season..not now it ain't![/p][/quote]How? Do the maths. Or read FFP rules and our accounts........ ctsaint
  • Score: 3

10:56pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

ctsaint wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now.

The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.
Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away!
Yes, both of you, please do, after all, the evidence suggests there is simply no point !
Too much of nothing,can make a man feel I'll at ease.
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now. The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.[/p][/quote]Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away![/p][/quote]Yes, both of you, please do, after all, the evidence suggests there is simply no point ![/p][/quote]Too much of nothing,can make a man feel I'll at ease. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

10:58pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Block 42 says...

Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.
Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards. Block 42
  • Score: -12

11:00pm Wed 30 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now.

The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.
Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away!
I'm so glad your beginning to read between the lines of what the board are doing. Their trying to fill the vacancies for as little dosh as possible, they'll never use much of that £ 100 million ( that they got for selling the main players ) in order to boost the team. That money is safely banked.

The only question left is, will the club be put up for sale soon or after the season starts ?

Incidentally the name is One In The Crowd and not Search.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now. The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.[/p][/quote]Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away![/p][/quote]I'm so glad your beginning to read between the lines of what the board are doing. Their trying to fill the vacancies for as little dosh as possible, they'll never use much of that £ 100 million ( that they got for selling the main players ) in order to boost the team. That money is safely banked. The only question left is, will the club be put up for sale soon or after the season starts ? Incidentally the name is One In The Crowd and not Search. one in the crowd
  • Score: -19

11:00pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Zippo1 says...

berry boy wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
typical block 42 comment
Why don't you go and support the skates
[quote][p][bold]berry boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]typical block 42 comment[/p][/quote]Why don't you go and support the skates Zippo1
  • Score: 6

11:00pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Zippo1 says...

berry boy wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
typical block 42 comment
Why don't you go and support the skates
[quote][p][bold]berry boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]typical block 42 comment[/p][/quote]Why don't you go and support the skates Zippo1
  • Score: 5

11:01pm Wed 30 Jul 14

fascia123 says...

I should think this lad is so glad he decided on Southampton with all the positivity from our fans. I love sarcasm.
I should think this lad is so glad he decided on Southampton with all the positivity from our fans. I love sarcasm. fascia123
  • Score: 5

11:02pm Wed 30 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
you used the word 'think' ... LOL...
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit![/p][/quote]you used the word 'think' ... LOL... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 6

11:04pm Wed 30 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

Block 42 wrote:
Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.
Try reading your comment yourself and I think you'll soon work out who the real retard is
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.[/p][/quote]Try reading your comment yourself and I think you'll soon work out who the real retard is J7junctionseven
  • Score: 8

11:04pm Wed 30 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

great signing.... season loan that could become more.... good player who can become better with the right coach.....
great signing.... season loan that could become more.... good player who can become better with the right coach..... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 6

11:05pm Wed 30 Jul 14

SwedeSaint says...

Block 42 wrote:
Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.
To whom? How do you think your comments are perceived by others?
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.[/p][/quote]To whom? How do you think your comments are perceived by others? SwedeSaint
  • Score: 3

11:05pm Wed 30 Jul 14

u bunch of mugs says...

Get ya skins Ryan and get on the bus we got some hot boxin to do.
Don't walk on the grass Ryan smoke it.....
Get ya skins Ryan and get on the bus we got some hot boxin to do. Don't walk on the grass Ryan smoke it..... u bunch of mugs
  • Score: -8

11:05pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

one in the crowd wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now.

The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.
Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away!
I'm so glad your beginning to read between the lines of what the board are doing. Their trying to fill the vacancies for as little dosh as possible, they'll never use much of that £ 100 million ( that they got for selling the main players ) in order to boost the team. That money is safely banked.

The only question left is, will the club be put up for sale soon or after the season starts ?

Incidentally the name is One In The Crowd and not Search.
Changed by deed poll? I make no bones about being a Cortese apologist,and if what you say is true,and was a buy out by him,I would be more than happy.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now. The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.[/p][/quote]Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away![/p][/quote]I'm so glad your beginning to read between the lines of what the board are doing. Their trying to fill the vacancies for as little dosh as possible, they'll never use much of that £ 100 million ( that they got for selling the main players ) in order to boost the team. That money is safely banked. The only question left is, will the club be put up for sale soon or after the season starts ? Incidentally the name is One In The Crowd and not Search.[/p][/quote]Changed by deed poll? I make no bones about being a Cortese apologist,and if what you say is true,and was a buy out by him,I would be more than happy. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -5

11:07pm Wed 30 Jul 14

fascia123 says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.
Try reading your comment yourself and I think you'll soon work out who the real retard is
Ian Dury strikes again.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.[/p][/quote]Try reading your comment yourself and I think you'll soon work out who the real retard is[/p][/quote]Ian Dury strikes again. fascia123
  • Score: 2

11:08pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

one in the crowd wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now.

The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.
Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away!
I'm so glad your beginning to read between the lines of what the board are doing. Their trying to fill the vacancies for as little dosh as possible, they'll never use much of that £ 100 million ( that they got for selling the main players ) in order to boost the team. That money is safely banked.

The only question left is, will the club be put up for sale soon or after the season starts ?

Incidentally the name is One In The Crowd and not Search.
What will we do then? When it's sold? One brain cell in your head mate.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now. The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.[/p][/quote]Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away![/p][/quote]I'm so glad your beginning to read between the lines of what the board are doing. Their trying to fill the vacancies for as little dosh as possible, they'll never use much of that £ 100 million ( that they got for selling the main players ) in order to boost the team. That money is safely banked. The only question left is, will the club be put up for sale soon or after the season starts ? Incidentally the name is One In The Crowd and not Search.[/p][/quote]What will we do then? When it's sold? One brain cell in your head mate. ctsaint
  • Score: 3

11:12pm Wed 30 Jul 14

echo1948 says...

one in the crowd wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now.

The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.
Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away!
I'm so glad your beginning to read between the lines of what the board are doing. Their trying to fill the vacancies for as little dosh as possible, they'll never use much of that £ 100 million ( that they got for selling the main players ) in order to boost the team. That money is safely banked.

The only question left is, will the club be put up for sale soon or after the season starts ?

Incidentally the name is One In The Crowd and not Search.
Yes. I quite agree. Get in a couple of token signings to appease the dissenters, hoping that the problem will go away, hold on to the money and sell the club probably sooner than later. It,s all a smoke screen.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now. The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.[/p][/quote]Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away![/p][/quote]I'm so glad your beginning to read between the lines of what the board are doing. Their trying to fill the vacancies for as little dosh as possible, they'll never use much of that £ 100 million ( that they got for selling the main players ) in order to boost the team. That money is safely banked. The only question left is, will the club be put up for sale soon or after the season starts ? Incidentally the name is One In The Crowd and not Search.[/p][/quote]Yes. I quite agree. Get in a couple of token signings to appease the dissenters, hoping that the problem will go away, hold on to the money and sell the club probably sooner than later. It,s all a smoke screen. echo1948
  • Score: -6

11:13pm Wed 30 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Block 42 wrote:
Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.
so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about!
your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear.
you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.[/p][/quote]so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about! your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear. you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 6

11:15pm Wed 30 Jul 14

fascia123 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.
so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about!
your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear.
you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss
It's all sex drugs and rock and roll
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.[/p][/quote]so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about! your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear. you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss[/p][/quote]It's all sex drugs and rock and roll fascia123
  • Score: -1

11:16pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Harry Bong says...

Can someone on here who is complaining that this is only a loan signing please explain what the problem is with this. As far as I understand at the end of the season we have the option to make the deal permanent or he could go back to Chelsea. On the other hand we could have made a permanent deal now with say a five year contract, then at the end of the season some club makes an offer and he is gone. No contract these days is worth the paper it is written on, so loan deal or permanent makes no difference these days.
Can someone on here who is complaining that this is only a loan signing please explain what the problem is with this. As far as I understand at the end of the season we have the option to make the deal permanent or he could go back to Chelsea. On the other hand we could have made a permanent deal now with say a five year contract, then at the end of the season some club makes an offer and he is gone. No contract these days is worth the paper it is written on, so loan deal or permanent makes no difference these days. Harry Bong
  • Score: 10

11:18pm Wed 30 Jul 14

upwherewebelong says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.
yes I would love to know what happened.

but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season.

don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone.
I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that

so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be
1) get safe from relegation
2) see 1)

after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less.
we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season.
Sensible post about next years aims to be avoid relegation. Given the way Krueger and Reed seem to have set out their transfer strategy to sell all our best players. Surely knowing this would leave Koeman with an even smaller squad than last year if we stay up Koeman deserves huge credit. I hope if Liebher takes nothing away from this summer she has learnt NEVER trust an ice hockey man to try to be a figure head for a football club. For Krueger read similar outcome to that of Rupert Lowe who was a Hockey lover rather than a footballing bloke. In my opinion we need to find a football person we can bring in to work between Krueger and Reed to help stabilise the club. I can not and will never understand why certain posters have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board as all I am and others are saying is strengthen the squad, and this is said out of a love for SFC than Krueger and Reed can not and will not ever 1. understand or 2. possess.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.[/p][/quote]yes I would love to know what happened. but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season. don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone. I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be 1) get safe from relegation 2) see 1) after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less. we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season.[/p][/quote]Sensible post about next years aims to be avoid relegation. Given the way Krueger and Reed seem to have set out their transfer strategy to sell all our best players. Surely knowing this would leave Koeman with an even smaller squad than last year if we stay up Koeman deserves huge credit. I hope if Liebher takes nothing away from this summer she has learnt NEVER trust an ice hockey man to try to be a figure head for a football club. For Krueger read similar outcome to that of Rupert Lowe who was a Hockey lover rather than a footballing bloke. In my opinion we need to find a football person we can bring in to work between Krueger and Reed to help stabilise the club. I can not and will never understand why certain posters have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board as all I am and others are saying is strengthen the squad, and this is said out of a love for SFC than Krueger and Reed can not and will not ever 1. understand or 2. possess. upwherewebelong
  • Score: -3

11:18pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

ctsaint wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now.

The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.
Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away!
I'm so glad your beginning to read between the lines of what the board are doing. Their trying to fill the vacancies for as little dosh as possible, they'll never use much of that £ 100 million ( that they got for selling the main players ) in order to boost the team. That money is safely banked.

The only question left is, will the club be put up for sale soon or after the season starts ?

Incidentally the name is One In The Crowd and not Search.
What will we do then? When it's sold? One brain cell in your head mate.
Ring ring ring ring ring ring

voice: " hello may I speak to KL please"
KL: Yavol?
Voice: "hi I am (insert multi billionaire name) I hear you have the best academy, no debt and a great stadium, I want to buy your club, but what are the fans like, Are they logical, intelligent, reasonable, grateful ?"
KL: Nien, they are small minded miserable negative morons with very short memories.....
Voice: but I thought you had risen from bankruptcy and spent £50m of your own money to deliver them to the promised land? Is it not true you even had a record year?
KL: Yavol I don't get it ??
Voice: if I buy it what do they want?
KL : they want you to only buy brilliant players without ever getting it wrong and at the highest possible price, they want you to appoint someone else to do this even if it's your cash as they assume that person will spend without any cares at all! They also want to pay the staff more than we make in revenue so that they can moan when we don't win anything, I find it quite odd really, do you still want it?
voice: sounds great, I'll give you another £200m and take it off your hands
KL: oh one more thing, when the guy you appoint spends your cash you may get fined and banned from winning stuff because it's not allowed anymore and the fans can't read so they don't get it.......
Voice: sounds great I am in.

Cue........

The new owners a **** he spent too much on the wrong idiot , spend more, sack the coach, etc etc etc
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now. The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.[/p][/quote]Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away![/p][/quote]I'm so glad your beginning to read between the lines of what the board are doing. Their trying to fill the vacancies for as little dosh as possible, they'll never use much of that £ 100 million ( that they got for selling the main players ) in order to boost the team. That money is safely banked. The only question left is, will the club be put up for sale soon or after the season starts ? Incidentally the name is One In The Crowd and not Search.[/p][/quote]What will we do then? When it's sold? One brain cell in your head mate.[/p][/quote]Ring ring ring ring ring ring voice: " hello may I speak to KL please" KL: Yavol? Voice: "hi I am (insert multi billionaire name) I hear you have the best academy, no debt and a great stadium, I want to buy your club, but what are the fans like, Are they logical, intelligent, reasonable, grateful ?" KL: Nien, they are small minded miserable negative morons with very short memories..... Voice: but I thought you had risen from bankruptcy and spent £50m of your own money to deliver them to the promised land? Is it not true you even had a record year? KL: Yavol I don't get it ?? Voice: if I buy it what do they want? KL : they want you to only buy brilliant players without ever getting it wrong and at the highest possible price, they want you to appoint someone else to do this even if it's your cash as they assume that person will spend without any cares at all! They also want to pay the staff more than we make in revenue so that they can moan when we don't win anything, I find it quite odd really, do you still want it? voice: sounds great, I'll give you another £200m and take it off your hands KL: oh one more thing, when the guy you appoint spends your cash you may get fined and banned from winning stuff because it's not allowed anymore and the fans can't read so they don't get it....... Voice: sounds great I am in. Cue........ The new owners a **** he spent too much on the wrong idiot , spend more, sack the coach, etc etc etc ctsaint
  • Score: 5

11:21pm Wed 30 Jul 14

buckie says...

Strong rumours that saints and i believe inter have agreement over a swap deal Osvaldo going to inter and we hopefully are getting Tadir a midfielder both on loan im not sure of the loan system not sure if a loan player will have a affiliation with the club or fans another way looking at it positively though is we get osvaldo away from us and we get a player Ronald rates
Strong rumours that saints and i believe inter have agreement over a swap deal Osvaldo going to inter and we hopefully are getting Tadir a midfielder both on loan im not sure of the loan system not sure if a loan player will have a affiliation with the club or fans another way looking at it positively though is we get osvaldo away from us and we get a player Ronald rates buckie
  • Score: 3

11:25pm Wed 30 Jul 14

deepheat says...

A bad workman always blames his fools.

EDIT:-....tools

stupid keyboard.
A bad workman always blames his fools. EDIT:-....tools stupid keyboard. deepheat
  • Score: 4

11:26pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.
yes I would love to know what happened.

but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season.

don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone.
I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that

so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be
1) get safe from relegation
2) see 1)

after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less.
we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season.
Sensible post about next years aims to be avoid relegation. Given the way Krueger and Reed seem to have set out their transfer strategy to sell all our best players. Surely knowing this would leave Koeman with an even smaller squad than last year if we stay up Koeman deserves huge credit. I hope if Liebher takes nothing away from this summer she has learnt NEVER trust an ice hockey man to try to be a figure head for a football club. For Krueger read similar outcome to that of Rupert Lowe who was a Hockey lover rather than a footballing bloke. In my opinion we need to find a football person we can bring in to work between Krueger and Reed to help stabilise the club. I can not and will never understand why certain posters have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board as all I am and others are saying is strengthen the squad, and this is said out of a love for SFC than Krueger and Reed can not and will not ever 1. understand or 2. possess.
They are doing so, their way. Your view is one based on emotion and loyalty, to players and staff who do not give a fig. The harsh realities of modern football are against us. The people behind this are advised by the best lawyers, accountants etc they have a long term plan, they achieved the first 5 years plan in 3, they are now going again, just like Adkins wasn't good enough, NC wasn't either.... RK US links and links to hockey are potentially key to future revenue, as is our academy, judge the new board after a ball is kicked not before. My major problem is the supposition that we are doomed before Ronko and the new board have even started.
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.[/p][/quote]yes I would love to know what happened. but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season. don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone. I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be 1) get safe from relegation 2) see 1) after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less. we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season.[/p][/quote]Sensible post about next years aims to be avoid relegation. Given the way Krueger and Reed seem to have set out their transfer strategy to sell all our best players. Surely knowing this would leave Koeman with an even smaller squad than last year if we stay up Koeman deserves huge credit. I hope if Liebher takes nothing away from this summer she has learnt NEVER trust an ice hockey man to try to be a figure head for a football club. For Krueger read similar outcome to that of Rupert Lowe who was a Hockey lover rather than a footballing bloke. In my opinion we need to find a football person we can bring in to work between Krueger and Reed to help stabilise the club. I can not and will never understand why certain posters have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board as all I am and others are saying is strengthen the squad, and this is said out of a love for SFC than Krueger and Reed can not and will not ever 1. understand or 2. possess.[/p][/quote]They are doing so, their way. Your view is one based on emotion and loyalty, to players and staff who do not give a fig. The harsh realities of modern football are against us. The people behind this are advised by the best lawyers, accountants etc they have a long term plan, they achieved the first 5 years plan in 3, they are now going again, just like Adkins wasn't good enough, NC wasn't either.... RK US links and links to hockey are potentially key to future revenue, as is our academy, judge the new board after a ball is kicked not before. My major problem is the supposition that we are doomed before Ronko and the new board have even started. ctsaint
  • Score: 6

11:27pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Crispinmumbles says...

Decent news, a decent signing but we need another 5 or six and is this really re-investing the money we received from Shaw, even if we make it permanent it won't add up to more than £8.5 m. No bunting out just yet please girls and boys - perspective please.
Decent news, a decent signing but we need another 5 or six and is this really re-investing the money we received from Shaw, even if we make it permanent it won't add up to more than £8.5 m. No bunting out just yet please girls and boys - perspective please. Crispinmumbles
  • Score: -1

11:31pm Wed 30 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

echo1948 wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now.

The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.
Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away!
I'm so glad your beginning to read between the lines of what the board are doing. Their trying to fill the vacancies for as little dosh as possible, they'll never use much of that £ 100 million ( that they got for selling the main players ) in order to boost the team. That money is safely banked.

The only question left is, will the club be put up for sale soon or after the season starts ?

Incidentally the name is One In The Crowd and not Search.
Yes. I quite agree. Get in a couple of token signings to appease the dissenters, hoping that the problem will go away, hold on to the money and sell the club probably sooner than later. It,s all a smoke screen.
search for one in the crowd,
are you a little bit upset because your fake clubs manager, Brenda, was trying to buy ryan but wouldn't meet chelskis asking price?

1948,
are you a little bit upset because your constant claims that we wouldn't sign anymore players has been shown to be the absolute rubbish it always was?
[quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now. The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.[/p][/quote]Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away![/p][/quote]I'm so glad your beginning to read between the lines of what the board are doing. Their trying to fill the vacancies for as little dosh as possible, they'll never use much of that £ 100 million ( that they got for selling the main players ) in order to boost the team. That money is safely banked. The only question left is, will the club be put up for sale soon or after the season starts ? Incidentally the name is One In The Crowd and not Search.[/p][/quote]Yes. I quite agree. Get in a couple of token signings to appease the dissenters, hoping that the problem will go away, hold on to the money and sell the club probably sooner than later. It,s all a smoke screen.[/p][/quote]search for one in the crowd, are you a little bit upset because your fake clubs manager, Brenda, was trying to buy ryan but wouldn't meet chelskis asking price? 1948, are you a little bit upset because your constant claims that we wouldn't sign anymore players has been shown to be the absolute rubbish it always was? de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 1

11:32pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Block 42 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.
so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about!
your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear.
you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss
What a retard you really are.its pathetic.just call the teams by their proper names its not hard.
My point is I want players like rojo coming in not some player who even villa didnt want to re sign.we should aim big and shown some ambition.
We need an ultras style fan base to get rid of retards like you.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.[/p][/quote]so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about! your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear. you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss[/p][/quote]What a retard you really are.its pathetic.just call the teams by their proper names its not hard. My point is I want players like rojo coming in not some player who even villa didnt want to re sign.we should aim big and shown some ambition. We need an ultras style fan base to get rid of retards like you. Block 42
  • Score: -18

11:34pm Wed 30 Jul 14

fascia123 says...

Ian Dury and his band have hopefully now gone to bed, we can now put the anti depressants away and debate football issues.

All this talk about Spider was it just me or did saints play better with Cork in the side last term?
Ian Dury and his band have hopefully now gone to bed, we can now put the anti depressants away and debate football issues. All this talk about Spider was it just me or did saints play better with Cork in the side last term? fascia123
  • Score: 4

11:37pm Wed 30 Jul 14

SwedeSaint says...

fascia123 wrote:
Ian Dury and his band have hopefully now gone to bed, we can now put the anti depressants away and debate football issues.

All this talk about Spider was it just me or did saints play better with Cork in the side last term?
Spider and Cork were better together with Davis, than Spider and Wanyama were! In my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Ian Dury and his band have hopefully now gone to bed, we can now put the anti depressants away and debate football issues. All this talk about Spider was it just me or did saints play better with Cork in the side last term?[/p][/quote]Spider and Cork were better together with Davis, than Spider and Wanyama were! In my opinion. SwedeSaint
  • Score: 3

11:38pm Wed 30 Jul 14

midlandsaint says...

Shaw sold for a premium price? Check.
A potentially better left-back coming through the academy? Check.
A good quality loan signing with an option to buy, allowing the academy player time to grow into a first team regular over the season, or for the loan move to become permanent should the academy player not reach the standard? Check.

This move just makes alot of sense to me.
Welcome aboard Ryan.
Shaw sold for a premium price? Check. A potentially better left-back coming through the academy? Check. A good quality loan signing with an option to buy, allowing the academy player time to grow into a first team regular over the season, or for the loan move to become permanent should the academy player not reach the standard? Check. This move just makes alot of sense to me. Welcome aboard Ryan. midlandsaint
  • Score: 15

11:39pm Wed 30 Jul 14

fascia123 says...

SwedeSaint wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Ian Dury and his band have hopefully now gone to bed, we can now put the anti depressants away and debate football issues.

All this talk about Spider was it just me or did saints play better with Cork in the side last term?
Spider and Cork were better together with Davis, than Spider and Wanyama were! In my opinion.
You could be right I really like Cork and hope with departures he get a proper and deserved shot in the side.

Did you think that Wanyama gave the ball away 2 much?
[quote][p][bold]SwedeSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Ian Dury and his band have hopefully now gone to bed, we can now put the anti depressants away and debate football issues. All this talk about Spider was it just me or did saints play better with Cork in the side last term?[/p][/quote]Spider and Cork were better together with Davis, than Spider and Wanyama were! In my opinion.[/p][/quote]You could be right I really like Cork and hope with departures he get a proper and deserved shot in the side. Did you think that Wanyama gave the ball away 2 much? fascia123
  • Score: 6

11:39pm Wed 30 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

Side netting I'm afraid
The score remains Happy Clappers 3-6 Merchants of Doom.
Still a good effort, and I would have liked it if Saints would have signed him
permanently.

Things are going a little better for the HC's after this weeks quick fire double from the MoD, a lot of targets but they have to hit the back of the net to count.
Side netting I'm afraid The score remains Happy Clappers 3-6 Merchants of Doom. Still a good effort, and I would have liked it if Saints would have signed him permanently. Things are going a little better for the HC's after this weeks quick fire double from the MoD, a lot of targets but they have to hit the back of the net to count. costa gaz
  • Score: -2

11:41pm Wed 30 Jul 14

SaintChris46 says...

One of the happy clappers here!
I haven't posted for a while, but tonight could be the turning point of our summer. OK, he's only on loan. But if he's any good (trophy tally at 24 yo suggests he's pretty good), we have option to buy at a pre determined price - a good piece of business I would say.
As I have stated previously, anyone who doesn't want to play for Saints should be sold for the best possible price, and that includes Schneiderlin if he is still spitting out his dummy.
Just because we have loads of money, doesn't mean we have to pay silly money for new arrivals. All those who feel we need "big" names, think back to last summer. Who had honestly heard of Lovren and Osvaldo? One turned out great, the other a waste of money. Just because we are not signing the likes of Messi, Muller and Ronaldo, doesn't mean the club has no ambition. Btw, don't all start telling me we could afford this trio, I'm only using them as examples of "big" names!
Hopefully this signing will be the first of several more, including Forster, possibly Van Djyk(?) and Vlaar(?)
I personally am looking forward to the new season. A new manager, new look squad, money in the bank to spend in January should we need it. Yes, I am upset that the wantaways have left, but so what? As far as I am concerned, good riddance. Let's start getting behind Ron and his staff and put the negativity behind us. It's done now, let's get over it!
COYR +WS!!!
One of the happy clappers here! I haven't posted for a while, but tonight could be the turning point of our summer. OK, he's only on loan. But if he's any good (trophy tally at 24 yo suggests he's pretty good), we have option to buy at a pre determined price - a good piece of business I would say. As I have stated previously, anyone who doesn't want to play for Saints should be sold for the best possible price, and that includes Schneiderlin if he is still spitting out his dummy. Just because we have loads of money, doesn't mean we have to pay silly money for new arrivals. All those who feel we need "big" names, think back to last summer. Who had honestly heard of Lovren and Osvaldo? One turned out great, the other a waste of money. Just because we are not signing the likes of Messi, Muller and Ronaldo, doesn't mean the club has no ambition. Btw, don't all start telling me we could afford this trio, I'm only using them as examples of "big" names! Hopefully this signing will be the first of several more, including Forster, possibly Van Djyk(?) and Vlaar(?) I personally am looking forward to the new season. A new manager, new look squad, money in the bank to spend in January should we need it. Yes, I am upset that the wantaways have left, but so what? As far as I am concerned, good riddance. Let's start getting behind Ron and his staff and put the negativity behind us. It's done now, let's get over it! COYR +WS!!! SaintChris46
  • Score: 5

11:41pm Wed 30 Jul 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

deepheat wrote:
This will cheer you up.

Daily Mail

"Ryan Bertrand has been on Liverpool’s radar for more than 12 months and they came close to sign him in the January window but he ultimately ended up joining Aston Villa on loan. Chelsea are reluctant to sell to title rival and would want £8million for him"

Daily Mirror Jul 30, 2014 21:27

"Southampton closing in on Marcos Rojo and Saphir Taider in eye-catching double swoop

Boss Ronald Koeman has offered Sporting Lisbon £10m for versatile Rojo who can play as a centre back or left back.

Saints have also been offered Algerian international Taider on a season's loan as part of bad boy Dani Osvaldo's switch to the Serie A giants.

"Koeman has also tabled a bid for Parma winger Jonathan Biabiany, but faces competition from West Brom for the Frenchman's signature."
Saphir Taider has said he will not join southampton and also told to up are bid to £16m for Marcos so that's not going to happen! Plus we don't need another LB after are new loan sighning?
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: This will cheer you up. Daily Mail "Ryan Bertrand has been on Liverpool’s radar for more than 12 months and they came close to sign him in the January window but he ultimately ended up joining Aston Villa on loan. Chelsea are reluctant to sell to title rival and would want £8million for him" Daily Mirror Jul 30, 2014 21:27 "Southampton closing in on Marcos Rojo and Saphir Taider in eye-catching double swoop Boss Ronald Koeman has offered Sporting Lisbon £10m for versatile Rojo who can play as a centre back or left back. Saints have also been offered Algerian international Taider on a season's loan as part of bad boy Dani Osvaldo's switch to the Serie A giants. "Koeman has also tabled a bid for Parma winger Jonathan Biabiany, but faces competition from West Brom for the Frenchman's signature."[/p][/quote]Saphir Taider has said he will not join southampton and also told to up are bid to £16m for Marcos so that's not going to happen! Plus we don't need another LB after are new loan sighning? This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: -8

11:42pm Wed 30 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
echo1948 wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now.

The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.
Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away!
I'm so glad your beginning to read between the lines of what the board are doing. Their trying to fill the vacancies for as little dosh as possible, they'll never use much of that £ 100 million ( that they got for selling the main players ) in order to boost the team. That money is safely banked.

The only question left is, will the club be put up for sale soon or after the season starts ?

Incidentally the name is One In The Crowd and not Search.
Yes. I quite agree. Get in a couple of token signings to appease the dissenters, hoping that the problem will go away, hold on to the money and sell the club probably sooner than later. It,s all a smoke screen.
search for one in the crowd,
are you a little bit upset because your fake clubs manager, Brenda, was trying to buy ryan but wouldn't meet chelskis asking price?

1948,
are you a little bit upset because your constant claims that we wouldn't sign anymore players has been shown to be the absolute rubbish it always was?
He is a player on loan, Saints won't commit. The money made by selling all your players is safely banked, The club will probably fill other vacancies this way and then put the club up for sale.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: They want to fill a couple of vacancies to appease the fans , but don't want to part with much money, hence the players on loan for now. The club is definitely going to be sold, She doesn't want to let go of the cash she has made by selling off the clubs player assets.[/p][/quote]Much as it pains me to agree with you Search,it does fit all the criteria..now go away![/p][/quote]I'm so glad your beginning to read between the lines of what the board are doing. Their trying to fill the vacancies for as little dosh as possible, they'll never use much of that £ 100 million ( that they got for selling the main players ) in order to boost the team. That money is safely banked. The only question left is, will the club be put up for sale soon or after the season starts ? Incidentally the name is One In The Crowd and not Search.[/p][/quote]Yes. I quite agree. Get in a couple of token signings to appease the dissenters, hoping that the problem will go away, hold on to the money and sell the club probably sooner than later. It,s all a smoke screen.[/p][/quote]search for one in the crowd, are you a little bit upset because your fake clubs manager, Brenda, was trying to buy ryan but wouldn't meet chelskis asking price? 1948, are you a little bit upset because your constant claims that we wouldn't sign anymore players has been shown to be the absolute rubbish it always was?[/p][/quote]He is a player on loan, Saints won't commit. The money made by selling all your players is safely banked, The club will probably fill other vacancies this way and then put the club up for sale. one in the crowd
  • Score: -8

11:43pm Wed 30 Jul 14

vidman says...

Reason for the delay in signing new players was down to Kruger ot leaving the cheque book with Reed. I wonder why?
Reason for the delay in signing new players was down to Kruger ot leaving the cheque book with Reed. I wonder why? vidman
  • Score: 0

11:43pm Wed 30 Jul 14

SwedeSaint says...

fascia123 wrote:
SwedeSaint wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Ian Dury and his band have hopefully now gone to bed, we can now put the anti depressants away and debate football issues.

All this talk about Spider was it just me or did saints play better with Cork in the side last term?
Spider and Cork were better together with Davis, than Spider and Wanyama were! In my opinion.
You could be right I really like Cork and hope with departures he get a proper and deserved shot in the side.

Did you think that Wanyama gave the ball away 2 much?
He didn't really fit in with the high tempo style (and yes he gave the ball away too much).
Could be different under RK.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwedeSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Ian Dury and his band have hopefully now gone to bed, we can now put the anti depressants away and debate football issues. All this talk about Spider was it just me or did saints play better with Cork in the side last term?[/p][/quote]Spider and Cork were better together with Davis, than Spider and Wanyama were! In my opinion.[/p][/quote]You could be right I really like Cork and hope with departures he get a proper and deserved shot in the side. Did you think that Wanyama gave the ball away 2 much?[/p][/quote]He didn't really fit in with the high tempo style (and yes he gave the ball away too much). Could be different under RK. SwedeSaint
  • Score: 1

11:50pm Wed 30 Jul 14

fascia123 says...

SwedeSaint wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
SwedeSaint wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Ian Dury and his band have hopefully now gone to bed, we can now put the anti depressants away and debate football issues.

All this talk about Spider was it just me or did saints play better with Cork in the side last term?
Spider and Cork were better together with Davis, than Spider and Wanyama were! In my opinion.
You could be right I really like Cork and hope with departures he get a proper and deserved shot in the side.

Did you think that Wanyama gave the ball away 2 much?
He didn't really fit in with the high tempo style (and yes he gave the ball away too much).
Could be different under RK.
You are right he did also slow the tempo as well as give it away 2 often.

My two boys and I also thought that Lovren had a poor season after his return from injury or is this sour grapes?

I have checked the two signings out on youtube and although I loved Lambert and think he deserved his move I think Pelle is a better bet and I think that we may come up aces with Tadic as a replacement for Lallana.
[quote][p][bold]SwedeSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwedeSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: Ian Dury and his band have hopefully now gone to bed, we can now put the anti depressants away and debate football issues. All this talk about Spider was it just me or did saints play better with Cork in the side last term?[/p][/quote]Spider and Cork were better together with Davis, than Spider and Wanyama were! In my opinion.[/p][/quote]You could be right I really like Cork and hope with departures he get a proper and deserved shot in the side. Did you think that Wanyama gave the ball away 2 much?[/p][/quote]He didn't really fit in with the high tempo style (and yes he gave the ball away too much). Could be different under RK.[/p][/quote]You are right he did also slow the tempo as well as give it away 2 often. My two boys and I also thought that Lovren had a poor season after his return from injury or is this sour grapes? I have checked the two signings out on youtube and although I loved Lambert and think he deserved his move I think Pelle is a better bet and I think that we may come up aces with Tadic as a replacement for Lallana. fascia123
  • Score: 2

11:51pm Wed 30 Jul 14

upwherewebelong says...

This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
deepheat wrote:
This will cheer you up.

Daily Mail

"Ryan Bertrand has been on Liverpool’s radar for more than 12 months and they came close to sign him in the January window but he ultimately ended up joining Aston Villa on loan. Chelsea are reluctant to sell to title rival and would want £8million for him"

Daily Mirror Jul 30, 2014 21:27

"Southampton closing in on Marcos Rojo and Saphir Taider in eye-catching double swoop

Boss Ronald Koeman has offered Sporting Lisbon £10m for versatile Rojo who can play as a centre back or left back.

Saints have also been offered Algerian international Taider on a season's loan as part of bad boy Dani Osvaldo's switch to the Serie A giants.

"Koeman has also tabled a bid for Parma winger Jonathan Biabiany, but faces competition from West Brom for the Frenchman's signature."
Saphir Taider has said he will not join southampton and also told to up are bid to £16m for Marcos so that's not going to happen! Plus we don't need another LB after are new loan sighning?
How do you know about Taider do you know the player or are you linked to the deal somehow ?- if not this is the other thing about the echo pages that annoys me is the blatant lies that people keep spouting. Why don't we all just stick to facts and opinions about the way the club is being run ? I do agree that it seems unlikely we will sign Rojo after signing Bertrand online but as that was just rumours I treated it with the pinch of salt it deserved.
[quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: This will cheer you up. Daily Mail "Ryan Bertrand has been on Liverpool’s radar for more than 12 months and they came close to sign him in the January window but he ultimately ended up joining Aston Villa on loan. Chelsea are reluctant to sell to title rival and would want £8million for him" Daily Mirror Jul 30, 2014 21:27 "Southampton closing in on Marcos Rojo and Saphir Taider in eye-catching double swoop Boss Ronald Koeman has offered Sporting Lisbon £10m for versatile Rojo who can play as a centre back or left back. Saints have also been offered Algerian international Taider on a season's loan as part of bad boy Dani Osvaldo's switch to the Serie A giants. "Koeman has also tabled a bid for Parma winger Jonathan Biabiany, but faces competition from West Brom for the Frenchman's signature."[/p][/quote]Saphir Taider has said he will not join southampton and also told to up are bid to £16m for Marcos so that's not going to happen! Plus we don't need another LB after are new loan sighning?[/p][/quote]How do you know about Taider do you know the player or are you linked to the deal somehow ?- if not this is the other thing about the echo pages that annoys me is the blatant lies that people keep spouting. Why don't we all just stick to facts and opinions about the way the club is being run ? I do agree that it seems unlikely we will sign Rojo after signing Bertrand online but as that was just rumours I treated it with the pinch of salt it deserved. upwherewebelong
  • Score: 4

11:55pm Wed 30 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.
so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about!
your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear.
you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss
What a retard you really are.its pathetic.just call the teams by their proper names its not hard.
My point is I want players like rojo coming in not some player who even villa didnt want to re sign.we should aim big and shown some ambition.
We need an ultras style fan base to get rid of retards like you.
oh dear still name calling and no proper argument!
why are we still not in for rojo? who said we were or weren't anyway?
maybe ryan knew villa didn't have any money and the club was going to be sold and he would end up back at chelski (oopps) so his heart wasn't really in it! if he is so bad why were liverhampton chasing him? why has he got league cup fa cup and champions league winners medals?
he is a young English lb with prem European and international experience, cant be that bad can he?

or will you only be happy if Ronnie only goes for players you want at the club? well given Ronnie has far more experience in theses matters than you I think I will go with his opinion every time!
it is ok that I call Mr Ronald Koeman Ronnie is it? just thought id ask before I got anymore inane comebacks!
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.[/p][/quote]so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about! your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear. you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss[/p][/quote]What a retard you really are.its pathetic.just call the teams by their proper names its not hard. My point is I want players like rojo coming in not some player who even villa didnt want to re sign.we should aim big and shown some ambition. We need an ultras style fan base to get rid of retards like you.[/p][/quote]oh dear still name calling and no proper argument! why are we still not in for rojo? who said we were or weren't anyway? maybe ryan knew villa didn't have any money and the club was going to be sold and he would end up back at chelski (oopps) so his heart wasn't really in it! if he is so bad why were liverhampton chasing him? why has he got league cup fa cup and champions league winners medals? he is a young English lb with prem European and international experience, cant be that bad can he? or will you only be happy if Ronnie only goes for players you want at the club? well given Ronnie has far more experience in theses matters than you I think I will go with his opinion every time! it is ok that I call Mr Ronald Koeman Ronnie is it? just thought id ask before I got anymore inane comebacks! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 6

12:00am Thu 31 Jul 14

fascia123 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.
so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about!
your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear.
you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss
What a retard you really are.its pathetic.just call the teams by their proper names its not hard.
My point is I want players like rojo coming in not some player who even villa didnt want to re sign.we should aim big and shown some ambition.
We need an ultras style fan base to get rid of retards like you.
oh dear still name calling and no proper argument!
why are we still not in for rojo? who said we were or weren't anyway?
maybe ryan knew villa didn't have any money and the club was going to be sold and he would end up back at chelski (oopps) so his heart wasn't really in it! if he is so bad why were liverhampton chasing him? why has he got league cup fa cup and champions league winners medals?
he is a young English lb with prem European and international experience, cant be that bad can he?

or will you only be happy if Ronnie only goes for players you want at the club? well given Ronnie has far more experience in theses matters than you I think I will go with his opinion every time!
it is ok that I call Mr Ronald Koeman Ronnie is it? just thought id ask before I got anymore inane comebacks!
He has clearly lost his rhythm stick this time
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.[/p][/quote]so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about! your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear. you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss[/p][/quote]What a retard you really are.its pathetic.just call the teams by their proper names its not hard. My point is I want players like rojo coming in not some player who even villa didnt want to re sign.we should aim big and shown some ambition. We need an ultras style fan base to get rid of retards like you.[/p][/quote]oh dear still name calling and no proper argument! why are we still not in for rojo? who said we were or weren't anyway? maybe ryan knew villa didn't have any money and the club was going to be sold and he would end up back at chelski (oopps) so his heart wasn't really in it! if he is so bad why were liverhampton chasing him? why has he got league cup fa cup and champions league winners medals? he is a young English lb with prem European and international experience, cant be that bad can he? or will you only be happy if Ronnie only goes for players you want at the club? well given Ronnie has far more experience in theses matters than you I think I will go with his opinion every time! it is ok that I call Mr Ronald Koeman Ronnie is it? just thought id ask before I got anymore inane comebacks![/p][/quote]He has clearly lost his rhythm stick this time fascia123
  • Score: 3

12:01am Thu 31 Jul 14

techsture says...

After watching dirk van dijk got mauled by the world class attaking talent of Legia Warsaw I think we can safely say "thanks but no thanks" Forster wasn't much better despite the pen sale.

Dick van dyke would be a better defensive option.


Back on topic, Bertrand is a great signing A real one in the eye for Liverhampton.
After watching dirk van dijk got mauled by the world class attaking talent of Legia Warsaw I think we can safely say "thanks but no thanks" Forster wasn't much better despite the pen sale. Dick van dyke would be a better defensive option. Back on topic, Bertrand is a great signing A real one in the eye for Liverhampton. techsture
  • Score: 2

12:08am Thu 31 Jul 14

windyboy says...

fascia123 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.
so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about!
your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear.
you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss
What a retard you really are.its pathetic.just call the teams by their proper names its not hard.
My point is I want players like rojo coming in not some player who even villa didnt want to re sign.we should aim big and shown some ambition.
We need an ultras style fan base to get rid of retards like you.
oh dear still name calling and no proper argument!
why are we still not in for rojo? who said we were or weren't anyway?
maybe ryan knew villa didn't have any money and the club was going to be sold and he would end up back at chelski (oopps) so his heart wasn't really in it! if he is so bad why were liverhampton chasing him? why has he got league cup fa cup and champions league winners medals?
he is a young English lb with prem European and international experience, cant be that bad can he?

or will you only be happy if Ronnie only goes for players you want at the club? well given Ronnie has far more experience in theses matters than you I think I will go with his opinion every time!
it is ok that I call Mr Ronald Koeman Ronnie is it? just thought id ask before I got anymore inane comebacks!
He has clearly lost his rhythm stick this time
Think he need a Reason To Be Cheerful
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.[/p][/quote]so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about! your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear. you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss[/p][/quote]What a retard you really are.its pathetic.just call the teams by their proper names its not hard. My point is I want players like rojo coming in not some player who even villa didnt want to re sign.we should aim big and shown some ambition. We need an ultras style fan base to get rid of retards like you.[/p][/quote]oh dear still name calling and no proper argument! why are we still not in for rojo? who said we were or weren't anyway? maybe ryan knew villa didn't have any money and the club was going to be sold and he would end up back at chelski (oopps) so his heart wasn't really in it! if he is so bad why were liverhampton chasing him? why has he got league cup fa cup and champions league winners medals? he is a young English lb with prem European and international experience, cant be that bad can he? or will you only be happy if Ronnie only goes for players you want at the club? well given Ronnie has far more experience in theses matters than you I think I will go with his opinion every time! it is ok that I call Mr Ronald Koeman Ronnie is it? just thought id ask before I got anymore inane comebacks![/p][/quote]He has clearly lost his rhythm stick this time[/p][/quote]Think he need a Reason To Be Cheerful windyboy
  • Score: 4

12:09am Thu 31 Jul 14

upwherewebelong says...

ctsaint wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.
yes I would love to know what happened.

but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season.

don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone.
I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that

so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be
1) get safe from relegation
2) see 1)

after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less.
we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season.
Sensible post about next years aims to be avoid relegation. Given the way Krueger and Reed seem to have set out their transfer strategy to sell all our best players. Surely knowing this would leave Koeman with an even smaller squad than last year if we stay up Koeman deserves huge credit. I hope if Liebher takes nothing away from this summer she has learnt NEVER trust an ice hockey man to try to be a figure head for a football club. For Krueger read similar outcome to that of Rupert Lowe who was a Hockey lover rather than a footballing bloke. In my opinion we need to find a football person we can bring in to work between Krueger and Reed to help stabilise the club. I can not and will never understand why certain posters have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board as all I am and others are saying is strengthen the squad, and this is said out of a love for SFC than Krueger and Reed can not and will not ever 1. understand or 2. possess.
They are doing so, their way. Your view is one based on emotion and loyalty, to players and staff who do not give a fig. The harsh realities of modern football are against us. The people behind this are advised by the best lawyers, accountants etc they have a long term plan, they achieved the first 5 years plan in 3, they are now going again, just like Adkins wasn't good enough, NC wasn't either.... RK US links and links to hockey are potentially key to future revenue, as is our academy, judge the new board after a ball is kicked not before. My major problem is the supposition that we are doomed before Ronko and the new board have even started.
You may well be right about my emotions coming out. This isn't necessarily loyalty to Lovren et al who have left so are no longer part of sfc. It is definitely loyalty to SFC and loyalty and passion and love that Krueger will not ever in my opinion possess. That said here's my attempt at rational argument to support my complaint

Whilst not being fully aware of income and expense humour me for a bit

Income

lets assume 12500 season tickets sold at an average of 625.00 =7,812,500
Income from Sky for last season approx 80 million
Income from selling players this summer - 90 million
income from wage savings from released or sold players 5-6 million

Total income approx 182million

Minus expenses
pay off 27million in previous purchases
pay off 30 million for training ground
23 million for Tadic and Pelle plus maybe 2m for Bertrand

so 82 million spent if we assume we had to pay for the training ground in full as nothing paid previously

I calculate this leaves 100m so surely we should be doing more in the transfer market and had we had a more professional well thought out strategy to sign replacements as we went along the selling clubs wouldn't be able to hold us to ransom to a degree as they are now due to knowing how much money we are sitting on in theory. Not that I believe for one minute that we will see the full proceeds invested.
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.[/p][/quote]yes I would love to know what happened. but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season. don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone. I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be 1) get safe from relegation 2) see 1) after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less. we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season.[/p][/quote]Sensible post about next years aims to be avoid relegation. Given the way Krueger and Reed seem to have set out their transfer strategy to sell all our best players. Surely knowing this would leave Koeman with an even smaller squad than last year if we stay up Koeman deserves huge credit. I hope if Liebher takes nothing away from this summer she has learnt NEVER trust an ice hockey man to try to be a figure head for a football club. For Krueger read similar outcome to that of Rupert Lowe who was a Hockey lover rather than a footballing bloke. In my opinion we need to find a football person we can bring in to work between Krueger and Reed to help stabilise the club. I can not and will never understand why certain posters have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board as all I am and others are saying is strengthen the squad, and this is said out of a love for SFC than Krueger and Reed can not and will not ever 1. understand or 2. possess.[/p][/quote]They are doing so, their way. Your view is one based on emotion and loyalty, to players and staff who do not give a fig. The harsh realities of modern football are against us. The people behind this are advised by the best lawyers, accountants etc they have a long term plan, they achieved the first 5 years plan in 3, they are now going again, just like Adkins wasn't good enough, NC wasn't either.... RK US links and links to hockey are potentially key to future revenue, as is our academy, judge the new board after a ball is kicked not before. My major problem is the supposition that we are doomed before Ronko and the new board have even started.[/p][/quote]You may well be right about my emotions coming out. This isn't necessarily loyalty to Lovren et al who have left so are no longer part of sfc. It is definitely loyalty to SFC and loyalty and passion and love that Krueger will not ever in my opinion possess. That said here's my attempt at rational argument to support my complaint Whilst not being fully aware of income and expense humour me for a bit Income lets assume 12500 season tickets sold at an average of 625.00 =7,812,500 Income from Sky for last season approx 80 million Income from selling players this summer - 90 million income from wage savings from released or sold players 5-6 million Total income approx 182million Minus expenses pay off 27million in previous purchases pay off 30 million for training ground 23 million for Tadic and Pelle plus maybe 2m for Bertrand so 82 million spent if we assume we had to pay for the training ground in full as nothing paid previously I calculate this leaves 100m so surely we should be doing more in the transfer market and had we had a more professional well thought out strategy to sign replacements as we went along the selling clubs wouldn't be able to hold us to ransom to a degree as they are now due to knowing how much money we are sitting on in theory. Not that I believe for one minute that we will see the full proceeds invested. upwherewebelong
  • Score: -3

12:10am Thu 31 Jul 14

deepheat says...

This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
deepheat wrote:
This will cheer you up.

Daily Mail

"Ryan Bertrand has been on Liverpool’s radar for more than 12 months and they came close to sign him in the January window but he ultimately ended up joining Aston Villa on loan. Chelsea are reluctant to sell to title rival and would want £8million for him"

Daily Mirror Jul 30, 2014 21:27

"Southampton closing in on Marcos Rojo and Saphir Taider in eye-catching double swoop

Boss Ronald Koeman has offered Sporting Lisbon £10m for versatile Rojo who can play as a centre back or left back.

Saints have also been offered Algerian international Taider on a season's loan as part of bad boy Dani Osvaldo's switch to the Serie A giants.

"Koeman has also tabled a bid for Parma winger Jonathan Biabiany, but faces competition from West Brom for the Frenchman's signature."
Saphir Taider has said he will not join southampton and also told to up are bid to £16m for Marcos so that's not going to happen! Plus we don't need another LB after are new loan sighning?
Yeah looks like Taider said No.
But inter really want Osvaldo and reports are that Ezequiel Schelotto maybe offered instead of Taider.
[quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: This will cheer you up. Daily Mail "Ryan Bertrand has been on Liverpool’s radar for more than 12 months and they came close to sign him in the January window but he ultimately ended up joining Aston Villa on loan. Chelsea are reluctant to sell to title rival and would want £8million for him" Daily Mirror Jul 30, 2014 21:27 "Southampton closing in on Marcos Rojo and Saphir Taider in eye-catching double swoop Boss Ronald Koeman has offered Sporting Lisbon £10m for versatile Rojo who can play as a centre back or left back. Saints have also been offered Algerian international Taider on a season's loan as part of bad boy Dani Osvaldo's switch to the Serie A giants. "Koeman has also tabled a bid for Parma winger Jonathan Biabiany, but faces competition from West Brom for the Frenchman's signature."[/p][/quote]Saphir Taider has said he will not join southampton and also told to up are bid to £16m for Marcos so that's not going to happen! Plus we don't need another LB after are new loan sighning?[/p][/quote]Yeah looks like Taider said No. But inter really want Osvaldo and reports are that Ezequiel Schelotto maybe offered instead of Taider. deepheat
  • Score: 0

12:13am Thu 31 Jul 14

fascia123 says...

windyboy wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.
so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about!
your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear.
you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss
What a retard you really are.its pathetic.just call the teams by their proper names its not hard.
My point is I want players like rojo coming in not some player who even villa didnt want to re sign.we should aim big and shown some ambition.
We need an ultras style fan base to get rid of retards like you.
oh dear still name calling and no proper argument!
why are we still not in for rojo? who said we were or weren't anyway?
maybe ryan knew villa didn't have any money and the club was going to be sold and he would end up back at chelski (oopps) so his heart wasn't really in it! if he is so bad why were liverhampton chasing him? why has he got league cup fa cup and champions league winners medals?
he is a young English lb with prem European and international experience, cant be that bad can he?

or will you only be happy if Ronnie only goes for players you want at the club? well given Ronnie has far more experience in theses matters than you I think I will go with his opinion every time!
it is ok that I call Mr Ronald Koeman Ronnie is it? just thought id ask before I got anymore inane comebacks!
He has clearly lost his rhythm stick this time
Think he need a Reason To Be Cheerful
He certainly ain't clever Trevor
[quote][p][bold]windyboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.[/p][/quote]so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about! your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear. you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss[/p][/quote]What a retard you really are.its pathetic.just call the teams by their proper names its not hard. My point is I want players like rojo coming in not some player who even villa didnt want to re sign.we should aim big and shown some ambition. We need an ultras style fan base to get rid of retards like you.[/p][/quote]oh dear still name calling and no proper argument! why are we still not in for rojo? who said we were or weren't anyway? maybe ryan knew villa didn't have any money and the club was going to be sold and he would end up back at chelski (oopps) so his heart wasn't really in it! if he is so bad why were liverhampton chasing him? why has he got league cup fa cup and champions league winners medals? he is a young English lb with prem European and international experience, cant be that bad can he? or will you only be happy if Ronnie only goes for players you want at the club? well given Ronnie has far more experience in theses matters than you I think I will go with his opinion every time! it is ok that I call Mr Ronald Koeman Ronnie is it? just thought id ask before I got anymore inane comebacks![/p][/quote]He has clearly lost his rhythm stick this time[/p][/quote]Think he need a Reason To Be Cheerful[/p][/quote]He certainly ain't clever Trevor fascia123
  • Score: 4

12:18am Thu 31 Jul 14

windyboy says...

fascia123 wrote:
windyboy wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.
so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about!
your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear.
you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss
What a retard you really are.its pathetic.just call the teams by their proper names its not hard.
My point is I want players like rojo coming in not some player who even villa didnt want to re sign.we should aim big and shown some ambition.
We need an ultras style fan base to get rid of retards like you.
oh dear still name calling and no proper argument!
why are we still not in for rojo? who said we were or weren't anyway?
maybe ryan knew villa didn't have any money and the club was going to be sold and he would end up back at chelski (oopps) so his heart wasn't really in it! if he is so bad why were liverhampton chasing him? why has he got league cup fa cup and champions league winners medals?
he is a young English lb with prem European and international experience, cant be that bad can he?

or will you only be happy if Ronnie only goes for players you want at the club? well given Ronnie has far more experience in theses matters than you I think I will go with his opinion every time!
it is ok that I call Mr Ronald Koeman Ronnie is it? just thought id ask before I got anymore inane comebacks!
He has clearly lost his rhythm stick this time
Think he need a Reason To Be Cheerful
He certainly ain't clever Trevor
Think he's a Billericay Dickie
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]windyboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.[/p][/quote]so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about! your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear. you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss[/p][/quote]What a retard you really are.its pathetic.just call the teams by their proper names its not hard. My point is I want players like rojo coming in not some player who even villa didnt want to re sign.we should aim big and shown some ambition. We need an ultras style fan base to get rid of retards like you.[/p][/quote]oh dear still name calling and no proper argument! why are we still not in for rojo? who said we were or weren't anyway? maybe ryan knew villa didn't have any money and the club was going to be sold and he would end up back at chelski (oopps) so his heart wasn't really in it! if he is so bad why were liverhampton chasing him? why has he got league cup fa cup and champions league winners medals? he is a young English lb with prem European and international experience, cant be that bad can he? or will you only be happy if Ronnie only goes for players you want at the club? well given Ronnie has far more experience in theses matters than you I think I will go with his opinion every time! it is ok that I call Mr Ronald Koeman Ronnie is it? just thought id ask before I got anymore inane comebacks![/p][/quote]He has clearly lost his rhythm stick this time[/p][/quote]Think he need a Reason To Be Cheerful[/p][/quote]He certainly ain't clever Trevor[/p][/quote]Think he's a Billericay Dickie windyboy
  • Score: 3

12:18am Thu 31 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.
yes I would love to know what happened.

but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season.

don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone.
I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that

so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be
1) get safe from relegation
2) see 1)

after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less.
we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season.
Sensible post about next years aims to be avoid relegation. Given the way Krueger and Reed seem to have set out their transfer strategy to sell all our best players. Surely knowing this would leave Koeman with an even smaller squad than last year if we stay up Koeman deserves huge credit. I hope if Liebher takes nothing away from this summer she has learnt NEVER trust an ice hockey man to try to be a figure head for a football club. For Krueger read similar outcome to that of Rupert Lowe who was a Hockey lover rather than a footballing bloke. In my opinion we need to find a football person we can bring in to work between Krueger and Reed to help stabilise the club. I can not and will never understand why certain posters have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board as all I am and others are saying is strengthen the squad, and this is said out of a love for SFC than Krueger and Reed can not and will not ever 1. understand or 2. possess.
They are doing so, their way. Your view is one based on emotion and loyalty, to players and staff who do not give a fig. The harsh realities of modern football are against us. The people behind this are advised by the best lawyers, accountants etc they have a long term plan, they achieved the first 5 years plan in 3, they are now going again, just like Adkins wasn't good enough, NC wasn't either.... RK US links and links to hockey are potentially key to future revenue, as is our academy, judge the new board after a ball is kicked not before. My major problem is the supposition that we are doomed before Ronko and the new board have even started.
You may well be right about my emotions coming out. This isn't necessarily loyalty to Lovren et al who have left so are no longer part of sfc. It is definitely loyalty to SFC and loyalty and passion and love that Krueger will not ever in my opinion possess. That said here's my attempt at rational argument to support my complaint

Whilst not being fully aware of income and expense humour me for a bit

Income

lets assume 12500 season tickets sold at an average of 625.00 =7,812,500
Income from Sky for last season approx 80 million
Income from selling players this summer - 90 million
income from wage savings from released or sold players 5-6 million

Total income approx 182million

Minus expenses
pay off 27million in previous purchases
pay off 30 million for training ground
23 million for Tadic and Pelle plus maybe 2m for Bertrand

so 82 million spent if we assume we had to pay for the training ground in full as nothing paid previously

I calculate this leaves 100m so surely we should be doing more in the transfer market and had we had a more professional well thought out strategy to sign replacements as we went along the selling clubs wouldn't be able to hold us to ransom to a degree as they are now due to knowing how much money we are sitting on in theory. Not that I believe for one minute that we will see the full proceeds invested.
did you do poopeys books?
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.[/p][/quote]yes I would love to know what happened. but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season. don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone. I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be 1) get safe from relegation 2) see 1) after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less. we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season.[/p][/quote]Sensible post about next years aims to be avoid relegation. Given the way Krueger and Reed seem to have set out their transfer strategy to sell all our best players. Surely knowing this would leave Koeman with an even smaller squad than last year if we stay up Koeman deserves huge credit. I hope if Liebher takes nothing away from this summer she has learnt NEVER trust an ice hockey man to try to be a figure head for a football club. For Krueger read similar outcome to that of Rupert Lowe who was a Hockey lover rather than a footballing bloke. In my opinion we need to find a football person we can bring in to work between Krueger and Reed to help stabilise the club. I can not and will never understand why certain posters have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board as all I am and others are saying is strengthen the squad, and this is said out of a love for SFC than Krueger and Reed can not and will not ever 1. understand or 2. possess.[/p][/quote]They are doing so, their way. Your view is one based on emotion and loyalty, to players and staff who do not give a fig. The harsh realities of modern football are against us. The people behind this are advised by the best lawyers, accountants etc they have a long term plan, they achieved the first 5 years plan in 3, they are now going again, just like Adkins wasn't good enough, NC wasn't either.... RK US links and links to hockey are potentially key to future revenue, as is our academy, judge the new board after a ball is kicked not before. My major problem is the supposition that we are doomed before Ronko and the new board have even started.[/p][/quote]You may well be right about my emotions coming out. This isn't necessarily loyalty to Lovren et al who have left so are no longer part of sfc. It is definitely loyalty to SFC and loyalty and passion and love that Krueger will not ever in my opinion possess. That said here's my attempt at rational argument to support my complaint Whilst not being fully aware of income and expense humour me for a bit Income lets assume 12500 season tickets sold at an average of 625.00 =7,812,500 Income from Sky for last season approx 80 million Income from selling players this summer - 90 million income from wage savings from released or sold players 5-6 million Total income approx 182million Minus expenses pay off 27million in previous purchases pay off 30 million for training ground 23 million for Tadic and Pelle plus maybe 2m for Bertrand so 82 million spent if we assume we had to pay for the training ground in full as nothing paid previously I calculate this leaves 100m so surely we should be doing more in the transfer market and had we had a more professional well thought out strategy to sign replacements as we went along the selling clubs wouldn't be able to hold us to ransom to a degree as they are now due to knowing how much money we are sitting on in theory. Not that I believe for one minute that we will see the full proceeds invested.[/p][/quote]did you do poopeys books? de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 3

12:22am Thu 31 Jul 14

deepheat says...

deepheat wrote:
This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
deepheat wrote:
This will cheer you up.

Daily Mail

"Ryan Bertrand has been on Liverpool’s radar for more than 12 months and they came close to sign him in the January window but he ultimately ended up joining Aston Villa on loan. Chelsea are reluctant to sell to title rival and would want £8million for him"

Daily Mirror Jul 30, 2014 21:27

"Southampton closing in on Marcos Rojo and Saphir Taider in eye-catching double swoop

Boss Ronald Koeman has offered Sporting Lisbon £10m for versatile Rojo who can play as a centre back or left back.

Saints have also been offered Algerian international Taider on a season's loan as part of bad boy Dani Osvaldo's switch to the Serie A giants.

"Koeman has also tabled a bid for Parma winger Jonathan Biabiany, but faces competition from West Brom for the Frenchman's signature."
Saphir Taider has said he will not join southampton and also told to up are bid to £16m for Marcos so that's not going to happen! Plus we don't need another LB after are new loan sighning?
Yeah looks like Taider said No.
But inter really want Osvaldo and reports are that Ezequiel Schelotto maybe offered instead of Taider.
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31.07.2014 00:37 by interNews.

According to Sportitalia, during the program "Special Cup", Ezequiel Schelotto would say definitely yes to the move to Southampton in the deal involving Pablo Daniel Osvaldo, in the direction of Inter. The final decision is now the club's.


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[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: This will cheer you up. Daily Mail "Ryan Bertrand has been on Liverpool’s radar for more than 12 months and they came close to sign him in the January window but he ultimately ended up joining Aston Villa on loan. Chelsea are reluctant to sell to title rival and would want £8million for him" Daily Mirror Jul 30, 2014 21:27 "Southampton closing in on Marcos Rojo and Saphir Taider in eye-catching double swoop Boss Ronald Koeman has offered Sporting Lisbon £10m for versatile Rojo who can play as a centre back or left back. Saints have also been offered Algerian international Taider on a season's loan as part of bad boy Dani Osvaldo's switch to the Serie A giants. "Koeman has also tabled a bid for Parma winger Jonathan Biabiany, but faces competition from West Brom for the Frenchman's signature."[/p][/quote]Saphir Taider has said he will not join southampton and also told to up are bid to £16m for Marcos so that's not going to happen! Plus we don't need another LB after are new loan sighning?[/p][/quote]Yeah looks like Taider said No. But inter really want Osvaldo and reports are that Ezequiel Schelotto maybe offered instead of Taider.[/p][/quote]EDIT.....EDIT......E DIT.......EDIT...... .EDIT 31.07.2014 00:37 by interNews. According to Sportitalia, during the program "Special Cup", Ezequiel Schelotto would say definitely yes to the move to Southampton in the deal involving Pablo Daniel Osvaldo, in the direction of Inter. The final decision is now the club's. http://translate.goo gleusercontent.com/t ranslate_c?depth=1&h l=en&rurl=translate. google.com&tl=en&u=h ttp://www.fcinternew s.it/news/si-schelot to-c-e-il-si-al-sout hampton-ora-159130&u sg=ALkJrhhTklFeS_QRf l8Y_OSkCGlfgRc5tQ deepheat
  • Score: 2

12:26am Thu 31 Jul 14

fascia123 says...

windyboy wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
windyboy wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.
so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about!
your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear.
you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss
What a retard you really are.its pathetic.just call the teams by their proper names its not hard.
My point is I want players like rojo coming in not some player who even villa didnt want to re sign.we should aim big and shown some ambition.
We need an ultras style fan base to get rid of retards like you.
oh dear still name calling and no proper argument!
why are we still not in for rojo? who said we were or weren't anyway?
maybe ryan knew villa didn't have any money and the club was going to be sold and he would end up back at chelski (oopps) so his heart wasn't really in it! if he is so bad why were liverhampton chasing him? why has he got league cup fa cup and champions league winners medals?
he is a young English lb with prem European and international experience, cant be that bad can he?

or will you only be happy if Ronnie only goes for players you want at the club? well given Ronnie has far more experience in theses matters than you I think I will go with his opinion every time!
it is ok that I call Mr Ronald Koeman Ronnie is it? just thought id ask before I got anymore inane comebacks!
He has clearly lost his rhythm stick this time
Think he need a Reason To Be Cheerful
He certainly ain't clever Trevor
Think he's a Billericay Dickie
My old man says what a waste of time listening to all this negativity and if I was a woman it could all turn to sex drugs and rock and roll
[quote][p][bold]windyboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]windyboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.[/p][/quote]so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about! your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear. you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss[/p][/quote]What a retard you really are.its pathetic.just call the teams by their proper names its not hard. My point is I want players like rojo coming in not some player who even villa didnt want to re sign.we should aim big and shown some ambition. We need an ultras style fan base to get rid of retards like you.[/p][/quote]oh dear still name calling and no proper argument! why are we still not in for rojo? who said we were or weren't anyway? maybe ryan knew villa didn't have any money and the club was going to be sold and he would end up back at chelski (oopps) so his heart wasn't really in it! if he is so bad why were liverhampton chasing him? why has he got league cup fa cup and champions league winners medals? he is a young English lb with prem European and international experience, cant be that bad can he? or will you only be happy if Ronnie only goes for players you want at the club? well given Ronnie has far more experience in theses matters than you I think I will go with his opinion every time! it is ok that I call Mr Ronald Koeman Ronnie is it? just thought id ask before I got anymore inane comebacks![/p][/quote]He has clearly lost his rhythm stick this time[/p][/quote]Think he need a Reason To Be Cheerful[/p][/quote]He certainly ain't clever Trevor[/p][/quote]Think he's a Billericay Dickie[/p][/quote]My old man says what a waste of time listening to all this negativity and if I was a woman it could all turn to sex drugs and rock and roll fascia123
  • Score: 3

12:34am Thu 31 Jul 14

Saintade says...

Just got back from Cineworld and heard the news. Haha I might have guessed we'd get a loan deal after Freddie Kreuger's spectacular bs on TalkSport yesterday that the full £92m would be reinvested in signings and wages...well there's a statement of intent. Just a journeyman, nothing more. We did see Morgan, Billy, Jos and one other we weren't sure of out in Oxford Street earlier tonight enjoying a bottle of wine...should they be drinking the day before a match or was it a celebration of Morgan's last night at the club I wonder?
Just got back from Cineworld and heard the news. Haha I might have guessed we'd get a loan deal after Freddie Kreuger's spectacular bs on TalkSport yesterday that the full £92m would be reinvested in signings and wages...well there's a statement of intent. Just a journeyman, nothing more. We did see Morgan, Billy, Jos and one other we weren't sure of out in Oxford Street earlier tonight enjoying a bottle of wine...should they be drinking the day before a match or was it a celebration of Morgan's last night at the club I wonder? Saintade
  • Score: -18

12:41am Thu 31 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Saintade wrote:
Just got back from Cineworld and heard the news. Haha I might have guessed we'd get a loan deal after Freddie Kreuger's spectacular bs on TalkSport yesterday that the full £92m would be reinvested in signings and wages...well there's a statement of intent. Just a journeyman, nothing more. We did see Morgan, Billy, Jos and one other we weren't sure of out in Oxford Street earlier tonight enjoying a bottle of wine...should they be drinking the day before a match or was it a celebration of Morgan's last night at the club I wonder?
oh god heres another one!
go on then explain to us all how a players who has been registered with chelski since 2005 is a `journeyman`, id love to hear this explanation!
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: Just got back from Cineworld and heard the news. Haha I might have guessed we'd get a loan deal after Freddie Kreuger's spectacular bs on TalkSport yesterday that the full £92m would be reinvested in signings and wages...well there's a statement of intent. Just a journeyman, nothing more. We did see Morgan, Billy, Jos and one other we weren't sure of out in Oxford Street earlier tonight enjoying a bottle of wine...should they be drinking the day before a match or was it a celebration of Morgan's last night at the club I wonder?[/p][/quote]oh god heres another one! go on then explain to us all how a players who has been registered with chelski since 2005 is a `journeyman`, id love to hear this explanation! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 2

12:42am Thu 31 Jul 14

milton road says...

This is a good move and I think that M Targett will be the second left back and will have a chance to come through gently. Rather than dropped in the deep end. This guy has been much sought after by several PL clubs and some European, loan or not this is a good move.
This is a good move and I think that M Targett will be the second left back and will have a chance to come through gently. Rather than dropped in the deep end. This guy has been much sought after by several PL clubs and some European, loan or not this is a good move. milton road
  • Score: 4

12:47am Thu 31 Jul 14

fascia123 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Saintade wrote:
Just got back from Cineworld and heard the news. Haha I might have guessed we'd get a loan deal after Freddie Kreuger's spectacular bs on TalkSport yesterday that the full £92m would be reinvested in signings and wages...well there's a statement of intent. Just a journeyman, nothing more. We did see Morgan, Billy, Jos and one other we weren't sure of out in Oxford Street earlier tonight enjoying a bottle of wine...should they be drinking the day before a match or was it a celebration of Morgan's last night at the club I wonder?
oh god heres another one!
go on then explain to us all how a players who has been registered with chelski since 2005 is a `journeyman`, id love to hear this explanation!
Block 42 goes to bed and I put the anti depressants away then saintade arrives and I reach for the razor blades.

As I said earlier Bertrand must be so glad he has come to a club where he will get such positive support, more sarcasm I love it.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: Just got back from Cineworld and heard the news. Haha I might have guessed we'd get a loan deal after Freddie Kreuger's spectacular bs on TalkSport yesterday that the full £92m would be reinvested in signings and wages...well there's a statement of intent. Just a journeyman, nothing more. We did see Morgan, Billy, Jos and one other we weren't sure of out in Oxford Street earlier tonight enjoying a bottle of wine...should they be drinking the day before a match or was it a celebration of Morgan's last night at the club I wonder?[/p][/quote]oh god heres another one! go on then explain to us all how a players who has been registered with chelski since 2005 is a `journeyman`, id love to hear this explanation![/p][/quote]Block 42 goes to bed and I put the anti depressants away then saintade arrives and I reach for the razor blades. As I said earlier Bertrand must be so glad he has come to a club where he will get such positive support, more sarcasm I love it. fascia123
  • Score: 7

1:03am Thu 31 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.
yes I would love to know what happened.

but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season.

don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone.
I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that

so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be
1) get safe from relegation
2) see 1)

after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less.
we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season.
Sensible post about next years aims to be avoid relegation. Given the way Krueger and Reed seem to have set out their transfer strategy to sell all our best players. Surely knowing this would leave Koeman with an even smaller squad than last year if we stay up Koeman deserves huge credit. I hope if Liebher takes nothing away from this summer she has learnt NEVER trust an ice hockey man to try to be a figure head for a football club. For Krueger read similar outcome to that of Rupert Lowe who was a Hockey lover rather than a footballing bloke. In my opinion we need to find a football person we can bring in to work between Krueger and Reed to help stabilise the club. I can not and will never understand why certain posters have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board as all I am and others are saying is strengthen the squad, and this is said out of a love for SFC than Krueger and Reed can not and will not ever 1. understand or 2. possess.
They are doing so, their way. Your view is one based on emotion and loyalty, to players and staff who do not give a fig. The harsh realities of modern football are against us. The people behind this are advised by the best lawyers, accountants etc they have a long term plan, they achieved the first 5 years plan in 3, they are now going again, just like Adkins wasn't good enough, NC wasn't either.... RK US links and links to hockey are potentially key to future revenue, as is our academy, judge the new board after a ball is kicked not before. My major problem is the supposition that we are doomed before Ronko and the new board have even started.
You may well be right about my emotions coming out. This isn't necessarily loyalty to Lovren et al who have left so are no longer part of sfc. It is definitely loyalty to SFC and loyalty and passion and love that Krueger will not ever in my opinion possess. That said here's my attempt at rational argument to support my complaint

Whilst not being fully aware of income and expense humour me for a bit

Income

lets assume 12500 season tickets sold at an average of 625.00 =7,812,500
Income from Sky for last season approx 80 million
Income from selling players this summer - 90 million
income from wage savings from released or sold players 5-6 million

Total income approx 182million

Minus expenses
pay off 27million in previous purchases
pay off 30 million for training ground
23 million for Tadic and Pelle plus maybe 2m for Bertrand

so 82 million spent if we assume we had to pay for the training ground in full as nothing paid previously

I calculate this leaves 100m so surely we should be doing more in the transfer market and had we had a more professional well thought out strategy to sign replacements as we went along the selling clubs wouldn't be able to hold us to ransom to a degree as they are now due to knowing how much money we are sitting on in theory. Not that I believe for one minute that we will see the full proceeds invested.
did you do poopeys books?
I only ask because you haven't included overseas tv income, merchandise income, any bills like water, takes a lot to keep sms and the training ground watered, gas or electric. you haven't included staff wages any other running costs, food, travel expenses including the coach, you allowed a huge £30mill for the training ground as you assumed that the builders would have forked out all the cost upfront in the hope of being paid, it gets paid off over the total length of the build, cost of running the academy which includes housing for the lads etc, theres no allowance for all the training kit, policing games ambulance service etc etc.
its not as easy as adding 2+2 to make 4. I haven't even mentioned any of the different taxes that need to be paid, vat paye etc etc.
this is why I leave the difficult and technical stuff like multi-million pound football finances to the experts. those that have experience and a degree in accounting.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.[/p][/quote]yes I would love to know what happened. but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season. don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone. I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be 1) get safe from relegation 2) see 1) after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less. we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season.[/p][/quote]Sensible post about next years aims to be avoid relegation. Given the way Krueger and Reed seem to have set out their transfer strategy to sell all our best players. Surely knowing this would leave Koeman with an even smaller squad than last year if we stay up Koeman deserves huge credit. I hope if Liebher takes nothing away from this summer she has learnt NEVER trust an ice hockey man to try to be a figure head for a football club. For Krueger read similar outcome to that of Rupert Lowe who was a Hockey lover rather than a footballing bloke. In my opinion we need to find a football person we can bring in to work between Krueger and Reed to help stabilise the club. I can not and will never understand why certain posters have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board as all I am and others are saying is strengthen the squad, and this is said out of a love for SFC than Krueger and Reed can not and will not ever 1. understand or 2. possess.[/p][/quote]They are doing so, their way. Your view is one based on emotion and loyalty, to players and staff who do not give a fig. The harsh realities of modern football are against us. The people behind this are advised by the best lawyers, accountants etc they have a long term plan, they achieved the first 5 years plan in 3, they are now going again, just like Adkins wasn't good enough, NC wasn't either.... RK US links and links to hockey are potentially key to future revenue, as is our academy, judge the new board after a ball is kicked not before. My major problem is the supposition that we are doomed before Ronko and the new board have even started.[/p][/quote]You may well be right about my emotions coming out. This isn't necessarily loyalty to Lovren et al who have left so are no longer part of sfc. It is definitely loyalty to SFC and loyalty and passion and love that Krueger will not ever in my opinion possess. That said here's my attempt at rational argument to support my complaint Whilst not being fully aware of income and expense humour me for a bit Income lets assume 12500 season tickets sold at an average of 625.00 =7,812,500 Income from Sky for last season approx 80 million Income from selling players this summer - 90 million income from wage savings from released or sold players 5-6 million Total income approx 182million Minus expenses pay off 27million in previous purchases pay off 30 million for training ground 23 million for Tadic and Pelle plus maybe 2m for Bertrand so 82 million spent if we assume we had to pay for the training ground in full as nothing paid previously I calculate this leaves 100m so surely we should be doing more in the transfer market and had we had a more professional well thought out strategy to sign replacements as we went along the selling clubs wouldn't be able to hold us to ransom to a degree as they are now due to knowing how much money we are sitting on in theory. Not that I believe for one minute that we will see the full proceeds invested.[/p][/quote]did you do poopeys books?[/p][/quote]I only ask because you haven't included overseas tv income, merchandise income, any bills like water, takes a lot to keep sms and the training ground watered, gas or electric. you haven't included staff wages any other running costs, food, travel expenses including the coach, you allowed a huge £30mill for the training ground as you assumed that the builders would have forked out all the cost upfront in the hope of being paid, it gets paid off over the total length of the build, cost of running the academy which includes housing for the lads etc, theres no allowance for all the training kit, policing games ambulance service etc etc. its not as easy as adding 2+2 to make 4. I haven't even mentioned any of the different taxes that need to be paid, vat paye etc etc. this is why I leave the difficult and technical stuff like multi-million pound football finances to the experts. those that have experience and a degree in accounting. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 4

1:38am Thu 31 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

I can't recall seeing Bertrand play. Is he any good?
I can't recall seeing Bertrand play. Is he any good? KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 0

1:50am Thu 31 Jul 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I can't recall seeing Bertrand play. Is he any good?
He's awesome!!
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I can't recall seeing Bertrand play. Is he any good?[/p][/quote]He's awesome!! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 2

1:52am Thu 31 Jul 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

A quality signing.

And Targett is guaranteed to start against Chelsea next season!
A quality signing. And Targett is guaranteed to start against Chelsea next season! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 1

2:27am Thu 31 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
A quality signing.

And Targett is guaranteed to start against Chelsea next season!
Nice, good to see things are heading in a positive direction :)
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: A quality signing. And Targett is guaranteed to start against Chelsea next season![/p][/quote]Nice, good to see things are heading in a positive direction :) KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 1

2:27am Thu 31 Jul 14

Jan28th1984 says...

Yea that is a good signing - it was always unfair to expect Matt Targett to step straight into Luke Shaw's place.
having an experienced LB ahead of him will only help his development, take the pressure off him and help to stabilise the back line, which still needs two CBs.

Welcome aboard Ryan - hope it works out for you.

Well done to Les and Ralph and Ron - credit where its due....make me eat my words lol.
Yea that is a good signing - it was always unfair to expect Matt Targett to step straight into Luke Shaw's place. having an experienced LB ahead of him will only help his development, take the pressure off him and help to stabilise the back line, which still needs two CBs. Welcome aboard Ryan - hope it works out for you. Well done to Les and Ralph and Ron - credit where its due....make me eat my words lol. Jan28th1984
  • Score: 5

4:14am Thu 31 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

A bit off the subject, but I hope Clyne shows his quality, and convincingly chops down Shaw during one of his attacking runs up the wing and brings his ego crashing back down to reality.
A bit off the subject, but I hope Clyne shows his quality, and convincingly chops down Shaw during one of his attacking runs up the wing and brings his ego crashing back down to reality. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 4

4:18am Thu 31 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

I'm no happy clapper, but if Koeman and the boys who want to play for us bring home a good result this season, I'd be first in line to shout the beers :)
I'm no happy clapper, but if Koeman and the boys who want to play for us bring home a good result this season, I'd be first in line to shout the beers :) KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 2

4:30am Thu 31 Jul 14

Rupert Lowe's Backside says...

frenchvic wrote:
This feller play with Vlaar last season, it might help to get him.
Nice pick up...like your thinking!

Maybe Vlaar had a word in RoKo's ear about him?

Its all going to be good!!
[quote][p][bold]frenchvic[/bold] wrote: This feller play with Vlaar last season, it might help to get him.[/p][/quote]Nice pick up...like your thinking! Maybe Vlaar had a word in RoKo's ear about him? Its all going to be good!! Rupert Lowe's Backside
  • Score: 2

4:38am Thu 31 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.
yes I would love to know what happened.

but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season.

don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone.
I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that

so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be
1) get safe from relegation
2) see 1)

after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less.
we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season.
Sensible post about next years aims to be avoid relegation. Given the way Krueger and Reed seem to have set out their transfer strategy to sell all our best players. Surely knowing this would leave Koeman with an even smaller squad than last year if we stay up Koeman deserves huge credit. I hope if Liebher takes nothing away from this summer she has learnt NEVER trust an ice hockey man to try to be a figure head for a football club. For Krueger read similar outcome to that of Rupert Lowe who was a Hockey lover rather than a footballing bloke. In my opinion we need to find a football person we can bring in to work between Krueger and Reed to help stabilise the club. I can not and will never understand why certain posters have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board as all I am and others are saying is strengthen the squad, and this is said out of a love for SFC than Krueger and Reed can not and will not ever 1. understand or 2. possess.
You are speculating and condemning people on the basis of that speculation. We will know the size of the squad in a couple of months, at the end of the transfer window, and whether we are involved in a relegation battle as the season progresses. Why not wait for some harder evidence before being so sure that your opinions are correct?

And, by the way, disagreeing with you does not always entails disdain.
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.[/p][/quote]yes I would love to know what happened. but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season. don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone. I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be 1) get safe from relegation 2) see 1) after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less. we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season.[/p][/quote]Sensible post about next years aims to be avoid relegation. Given the way Krueger and Reed seem to have set out their transfer strategy to sell all our best players. Surely knowing this would leave Koeman with an even smaller squad than last year if we stay up Koeman deserves huge credit. I hope if Liebher takes nothing away from this summer she has learnt NEVER trust an ice hockey man to try to be a figure head for a football club. For Krueger read similar outcome to that of Rupert Lowe who was a Hockey lover rather than a footballing bloke. In my opinion we need to find a football person we can bring in to work between Krueger and Reed to help stabilise the club. I can not and will never understand why certain posters have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board as all I am and others are saying is strengthen the squad, and this is said out of a love for SFC than Krueger and Reed can not and will not ever 1. understand or 2. possess.[/p][/quote]You are speculating and condemning people on the basis of that speculation. We will know the size of the squad in a couple of months, at the end of the transfer window, and whether we are involved in a relegation battle as the season progresses. Why not wait for some harder evidence before being so sure that your opinions are correct? And, by the way, disagreeing with you does not always entails disdain. Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

5:10am Thu 31 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

I love the fact that everybody's popping champagne corks over the fact that we have signed a player...... ON LOAN. We have become that desperate for any sort of positive news.

The real celebration will begin IF we sign Jordy Clasie!!!
I love the fact that everybody's popping champagne corks over the fact that we have signed a player...... ON LOAN. We have become that desperate for any sort of positive news. The real celebration will begin IF we sign Jordy Clasie!!! redandy10
  • Score: 0

5:18am Thu 31 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
He's 24 and we are his EIGHTH club. Has Ron seen sth in the lad that Chelsea and the other six clubs didn't?

I hope this is not Les's handy work!!!
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]He's 24 and we are his EIGHTH club. Has Ron seen sth in the lad that Chelsea and the other six clubs didn't? I hope this is not Les's handy work!!! redandy10
  • Score: -7

5:32am Thu 31 Jul 14

SiamSaint says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.
With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.
EXACTLY the point i'm trying to make our bank balance is awesome so invest some of it in permanent deals. Oh wait that isn't Krueger, Reed and Liebherrs "Southampton Way" is it. I've said somewhere else the problem isn't with Bertrand as he can only help but i'm so disappointed the club deliberately did this that it will take a lot to make me regain the positivity I had at the end of the season. I'm intelligent enough to understand what Mr Krueger is saying about short cuts etc but surely it isn't difficult to say to the players. "with regret we will sell you BUT ONLY once we've signed a replacement" if the club had followed this there would have been less angst from all concerned and would have been a much safer and wiser way of conducting business. Still Krueger has the problem of having little or no knowledge of football as Ice Hockey is his passion not Saints.
So we should have bought without a healthy bank balance first? Wish I was your Mrs...
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.[/p][/quote]With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.[/p][/quote]EXACTLY the point i'm trying to make our bank balance is awesome so invest some of it in permanent deals. Oh wait that isn't Krueger, Reed and Liebherrs "Southampton Way" is it. I've said somewhere else the problem isn't with Bertrand as he can only help but i'm so disappointed the club deliberately did this that it will take a lot to make me regain the positivity I had at the end of the season. I'm intelligent enough to understand what Mr Krueger is saying about short cuts etc but surely it isn't difficult to say to the players. "with regret we will sell you BUT ONLY once we've signed a replacement" if the club had followed this there would have been less angst from all concerned and would have been a much safer and wiser way of conducting business. Still Krueger has the problem of having little or no knowledge of football as Ice Hockey is his passion not Saints.[/p][/quote]So we should have bought without a healthy bank balance first? Wish I was your Mrs... SiamSaint
  • Score: 3

5:57am Thu 31 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
Your right he has done brilliantly,he did so well that we didn't offer him a new contract .
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit![/p][/quote]Your right he has done brilliantly,he did so well that we didn't offer him a new contract . Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -3

6:06am Thu 31 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.
With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.
EXACTLY the point i'm trying to make our bank balance is awesome so invest some of it in permanent deals. Oh wait that isn't Krueger, Reed and Liebherrs "Southampton Way" is it. I've said somewhere else the problem isn't with Bertrand as he can only help but i'm so disappointed the club deliberately did this that it will take a lot to make me regain the positivity I had at the end of the season. I'm intelligent enough to understand what Mr Krueger is saying about short cuts etc but surely it isn't difficult to say to the players. "with regret we will sell you BUT ONLY once we've signed a replacement" if the club had followed this there would have been less angst from all concerned and would have been a much safer and wiser way of conducting business. Still Krueger has the problem of having little or no knowledge of football as Ice Hockey is his passion not Saints.
Have you ever thought that Chelsea might only want to loan out to get game time, they may not want to sell Bertrand.
if they didn't want to sell him why did they give us an option to buy? its our choice now if we want him they have to accept the already agreed fee, whatever that is!
There is no option to buy,check your facts.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.[/p][/quote]With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.[/p][/quote]EXACTLY the point i'm trying to make our bank balance is awesome so invest some of it in permanent deals. Oh wait that isn't Krueger, Reed and Liebherrs "Southampton Way" is it. I've said somewhere else the problem isn't with Bertrand as he can only help but i'm so disappointed the club deliberately did this that it will take a lot to make me regain the positivity I had at the end of the season. I'm intelligent enough to understand what Mr Krueger is saying about short cuts etc but surely it isn't difficult to say to the players. "with regret we will sell you BUT ONLY once we've signed a replacement" if the club had followed this there would have been less angst from all concerned and would have been a much safer and wiser way of conducting business. Still Krueger has the problem of having little or no knowledge of football as Ice Hockey is his passion not Saints.[/p][/quote]Have you ever thought that Chelsea might only want to loan out to get game time, they may not want to sell Bertrand.[/p][/quote]if they didn't want to sell him why did they give us an option to buy? its our choice now if we want him they have to accept the already agreed fee, whatever that is![/p][/quote]There is no option to buy,check your facts. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -3

6:16am Thu 31 Jul 14

Numpty Girl says...

redandy10 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
He's 24 and we are his EIGHTH club. Has Ron seen sth in the lad that Chelsea and the other six clubs didn't?

I hope this is not Les's handy work!!!
This deal has Lies Reed written all over it!
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]He's 24 and we are his EIGHTH club. Has Ron seen sth in the lad that Chelsea and the other six clubs didn't? I hope this is not Les's handy work!!![/p][/quote]This deal has Lies Reed written all over it! Numpty Girl
  • Score: -9

6:18am Thu 31 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.
so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about!
your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear.
you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss
What a retard you really are.its pathetic.just call the teams by their proper names its not hard.
My point is I want players like rojo coming in not some player who even villa didnt want to re sign.we should aim big and shown some ambition.
We need an ultras style fan base to get rid of retards like you.
oh dear still name calling and no proper argument!
why are we still not in for rojo? who said we were or weren't anyway?
maybe ryan knew villa didn't have any money and the club was going to be sold and he would end up back at chelski (oopps) so his heart wasn't really in it! if he is so bad why were liverhampton chasing him? why has he got league cup fa cup and champions league winners medals?
he is a young English lb with prem European and international experience, cant be that bad can he?

or will you only be happy if Ronnie only goes for players you want at the club? well given Ronnie has far more experience in theses matters than you I think I will go with his opinion every time!
it is ok that I call Mr Ronald Koeman Ronnie is it? just thought id ask before I got anymore inane comebacks!
Notice you went missing for a while when things looked grim?
Now your back replying to everyone's post.you have to be les reed.still backing les and the boys who sold our future? Ronald's still trying to cobble together a team and you are celebrating one loan signing.
You still think Ralph will spend every penny of player sales? How easy the thickies are appeased.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.[/p][/quote]so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about! your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear. you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss[/p][/quote]What a retard you really are.its pathetic.just call the teams by their proper names its not hard. My point is I want players like rojo coming in not some player who even villa didnt want to re sign.we should aim big and shown some ambition. We need an ultras style fan base to get rid of retards like you.[/p][/quote]oh dear still name calling and no proper argument! why are we still not in for rojo? who said we were or weren't anyway? maybe ryan knew villa didn't have any money and the club was going to be sold and he would end up back at chelski (oopps) so his heart wasn't really in it! if he is so bad why were liverhampton chasing him? why has he got league cup fa cup and champions league winners medals? he is a young English lb with prem European and international experience, cant be that bad can he? or will you only be happy if Ronnie only goes for players you want at the club? well given Ronnie has far more experience in theses matters than you I think I will go with his opinion every time! it is ok that I call Mr Ronald Koeman Ronnie is it? just thought id ask before I got anymore inane comebacks![/p][/quote]Notice you went missing for a while when things looked grim? Now your back replying to everyone's post.you have to be les reed.still backing les and the boys who sold our future? Ronald's still trying to cobble together a team and you are celebrating one loan signing. You still think Ralph will spend every penny of player sales? How easy the thickies are appeased. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -9

6:21am Thu 31 Jul 14

Optimist says...

Celtic lose 4-1, now they have to win 3-0 or 5-1 on the 6th . could be good for us (disaster for them), I would not put the win against them but if they do not qualify then they will be looking to sell, Fraiser had a good game even though they let in 4!
Rojo for 16 million? IMHO that is a steal for a player who has always been a FM favourite of mine, got loads of points for me too in the WC dream team ☺
Bit of luck and we should be able to buy some great players in time for kick off.
Bertrand should realise that we are a very good club for players, bit of luck and that loan will become a deal
Celtic lose 4-1, now they have to win 3-0 or 5-1 on the 6th . could be good for us (disaster for them), I would not put the win against them but if they do not qualify then they will be looking to sell, Fraiser had a good game even though they let in 4! Rojo for 16 million? IMHO that is a steal for a player who has always been a FM favourite of mine, got loads of points for me too in the WC dream team ☺ Bit of luck and we should be able to buy some great players in time for kick off. Bertrand should realise that we are a very good club for players, bit of luck and that loan will become a deal Optimist
  • Score: 0

6:30am Thu 31 Jul 14

hagbourneutd says...

This is the right signing for this position proven in the Premier league and for those complaining it's only a loan, they obviously expect targett to step up sooner rather than later and why spend money just because we have it best save it for other players
This is the right signing for this position proven in the Premier league and for those complaining it's only a loan, they obviously expect targett to step up sooner rather than later and why spend money just because we have it best save it for other players hagbourneutd
  • Score: -1

6:56am Thu 31 Jul 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

What's with all the fannies on here dismissing Bertrand before he even has kicked a ball in a Southampton Shirt. Good bit of business for Saints in my eyes not only have we solidified the left back position, added depth we also have a new face that signals progression in my eyes. Hopefully will pick up the squad morale and will be the start of more faces in.

Everyone banging on about splashing 90Million has to face reality! the days of Cortese extravagance are over! We are going for cheap english / euro talent and will be gradually building i.e Ings, redmond, that kind of forte.
What's with all the fannies on here dismissing Bertrand before he even has kicked a ball in a Southampton Shirt. Good bit of business for Saints in my eyes not only have we solidified the left back position, added depth we also have a new face that signals progression in my eyes. Hopefully will pick up the squad morale and will be the start of more faces in. Everyone banging on about splashing 90Million has to face reality! the days of Cortese extravagance are over! We are going for cheap english / euro talent and will be gradually building i.e Ings, redmond, that kind of forte. Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 1

7:00am Thu 31 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

hagbourneutd wrote:
This is the right signing for this position proven in the Premier league and for those complaining it's only a loan, they obviously expect targett to step up sooner rather than later and why spend money just because we have it best save it for other players
Who else would we have had in reserve for LB for Targett anyways?
[quote][p][bold]hagbourneutd[/bold] wrote: This is the right signing for this position proven in the Premier league and for those complaining it's only a loan, they obviously expect targett to step up sooner rather than later and why spend money just because we have it best save it for other players[/p][/quote]Who else would we have had in reserve for LB for Targett anyways? KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 2

7:05am Thu 31 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

hagbourneutd wrote:
This is the right signing for this position proven in the Premier league and for those complaining it's only a loan, they obviously expect targett to step up sooner rather than later and why spend money just because we have it best save it for other players
Isn't their complaint that we're not spending the money we have recently got? It seems to be important to some people that we spend and spend and spend.
[quote][p][bold]hagbourneutd[/bold] wrote: This is the right signing for this position proven in the Premier league and for those complaining it's only a loan, they obviously expect targett to step up sooner rather than later and why spend money just because we have it best save it for other players[/p][/quote]Isn't their complaint that we're not spending the money we have recently got? It seems to be important to some people that we spend and spend and spend. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

7:10am Thu 31 Jul 14

Saint Clements says...

This deal makes a lot of sense.
Get Bertrand in now to ensure we have a proven Premiership player at left-back next season.
Then allow Targett to be carefully introduced to the team over the coming nine months.
If Targett flourishes, then we can say 'thanks Bertie, now go back to Cobham'
But if Targett struggles, or Bertie has a blinder, then we can keep him.
Surely a win/win?
This deal makes a lot of sense. Get Bertrand in now to ensure we have a proven Premiership player at left-back next season. Then allow Targett to be carefully introduced to the team over the coming nine months. If Targett flourishes, then we can say 'thanks Bertie, now go back to Cobham' But if Targett struggles, or Bertie has a blinder, then we can keep him. Surely a win/win? Saint Clements
  • Score: 4

7:15am Thu 31 Jul 14

saint christopher says...

Some on here still signed up to the Dark Lord's unrealistic and unsustainable plans for PL domination - song lyrics "we are (almost) the Champions" and "we want it NOW" come to mind.

We're now operating under a more realistic regime, who are instead operating under the "Slowly, slowly catchee monkey" principle (horrible feeling I might be having to do a Jeremy Clarkson soon, but hope not).

I for one are more than happy with that as we'll still be up there challenging the big boys in 5 years time rather than looking for another owner to bail us out whilst we sit in the lower reaches of League 1.
Some on here still signed up to the Dark Lord's unrealistic and unsustainable plans for PL domination - song lyrics "we are (almost) the Champions" and "we want it NOW" come to mind. We're now operating under a more realistic regime, who are instead operating under the "Slowly, slowly catchee monkey" principle (horrible feeling I might be having to do a Jeremy Clarkson soon, but hope not). I for one are more than happy with that as we'll still be up there challenging the big boys in 5 years time rather than looking for another owner to bail us out whilst we sit in the lower reaches of League 1. saint christopher
  • Score: 3

7:17am Thu 31 Jul 14

hagbourneutd says...

Rising_Son wrote:
hagbourneutd wrote:
This is the right signing for this position proven in the Premier league and for those complaining it's only a loan, they obviously expect targett to step up sooner rather than later and why spend money just because we have it best save it for other players
Isn't their complaint that we're not spending the money we have recently got? It seems to be important to some people that we spend and spend and spend.
That was my point why spend millions on a position where a loan would be good enough some people won't be happy unless we blow all the money.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hagbourneutd[/bold] wrote: This is the right signing for this position proven in the Premier league and for those complaining it's only a loan, they obviously expect targett to step up sooner rather than later and why spend money just because we have it best save it for other players[/p][/quote]Isn't their complaint that we're not spending the money we have recently got? It seems to be important to some people that we spend and spend and spend.[/p][/quote]That was my point why spend millions on a position where a loan would be good enough some people won't be happy unless we blow all the money. hagbourneutd
  • Score: 4

7:20am Thu 31 Jul 14

aldermoorboy says...

fight back begins
fight back begins aldermoorboy
  • Score: 0

7:22am Thu 31 Jul 14

Chapperall says...

He's a decent player so it's a start. However what we need is an experienced CB Hoover is not Up to PL standard and makes too many mistakes. Need to get moving on these transfers in ASAP so they can get match time with the squad.
Still at least we went through a day without someone leaving or negative press which is a step forward.
He's a decent player so it's a start. However what we need is an experienced CB Hoover is not Up to PL standard and makes too many mistakes. Need to get moving on these transfers in ASAP so they can get match time with the squad. Still at least we went through a day without someone leaving or negative press which is a step forward. Chapperall
  • Score: 0

7:35am Thu 31 Jul 14

elvisimo says...

Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.
Such as...?
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit![/p][/quote]So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.[/p][/quote]Such as...? elvisimo
  • Score: -1

7:38am Thu 31 Jul 14

MiltonRoad says...

Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
Suppose you would have complianed if we had signed Lukaku as well would you? Always loaned out.....Chelsea reject. Either you support Saints FC, or you don't. You clearly don't...............
much more fun to criticise everything the club does.
Perfect signing for what we need right nowin my view. Well done Saints!
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]Suppose you would have complianed if we had signed Lukaku as well would you? Always loaned out.....Chelsea reject. Either you support Saints FC, or you don't. You clearly don't............... much more fun to criticise everything the club does. Perfect signing for what we need right nowin my view. Well done Saints! MiltonRoad
  • Score: 4

7:46am Thu 31 Jul 14

Redslo says...

I just started a Southampton FC blog if anyone is interested.

redsloscf.blogspot.c
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I just started a Southampton FC blog if anyone is interested. redsloscf.blogspot.c om Redslo
  • Score: 1

7:53am Thu 31 Jul 14

Buddy SFC says...

Building Blocks ....... Piece by Piece !!

Great news Celtic losing badly last night may open up two signings very quickly ??
Building Blocks ....... Piece by Piece !! Great news Celtic losing badly last night may open up two signings very quickly ?? Buddy SFC
  • Score: 2

7:57am Thu 31 Jul 14

fascia123 says...

I have been following footy for more years than I can remember and I have never seen a club have such negative media coverage, this player not happy, this player handed in a transfer request, the exodus continues etc etc etc.

Either something is very wrong at the club' which I don't believe is the case, the CV of the new manager far outstrips the previous guy why would he of risked his reputation, new training facility etc etc.

It seems far more sensible that this unrest is being orchestrated by an ex employee of the club, could it be NC upset that he had his power well and truly rained in, I don't have any substance for my argument other than what has/is transpiring doesn't make any sense.

Before I get a barrage of abuse from the mindless section I purely put this out for debate and to seek other sensible supporters views.
I have been following footy for more years than I can remember and I have never seen a club have such negative media coverage, this player not happy, this player handed in a transfer request, the exodus continues etc etc etc. Either something is very wrong at the club' which I don't believe is the case, the CV of the new manager far outstrips the previous guy why would he of risked his reputation, new training facility etc etc. It seems far more sensible that this unrest is being orchestrated by an ex employee of the club, could it be NC upset that he had his power well and truly rained in, I don't have any substance for my argument other than what has/is transpiring doesn't make any sense. Before I get a barrage of abuse from the mindless section I purely put this out for debate and to seek other sensible supporters views. fascia123
  • Score: 5

7:59am Thu 31 Jul 14

Buddy SFC says...

Now this group would be quality ............

''Southampton are believed to be closing in on deals for Argentine defender Marcos Rojo as well as Serie A duo Saphir Taider and Jonathan Biabiany.''
Now this group would be quality ............ ''Southampton are believed to be closing in on deals for Argentine defender Marcos Rojo as well as Serie A duo Saphir Taider and Jonathan Biabiany.'' Buddy SFC
  • Score: 0

8:07am Thu 31 Jul 14

upwherewebelong says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.
yes I would love to know what happened.

but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season.

don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone.
I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that

so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be
1) get safe from relegation
2) see 1)

after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less.
we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season.
Sensible post about next years aims to be avoid relegation. Given the way Krueger and Reed seem to have set out their transfer strategy to sell all our best players. Surely knowing this would leave Koeman with an even smaller squad than last year if we stay up Koeman deserves huge credit. I hope if Liebher takes nothing away from this summer she has learnt NEVER trust an ice hockey man to try to be a figure head for a football club. For Krueger read similar outcome to that of Rupert Lowe who was a Hockey lover rather than a footballing bloke. In my opinion we need to find a football person we can bring in to work between Krueger and Reed to help stabilise the club. I can not and will never understand why certain posters have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board as all I am and others are saying is strengthen the squad, and this is said out of a love for SFC than Krueger and Reed can not and will not ever 1. understand or 2. possess.
They are doing so, their way. Your view is one based on emotion and loyalty, to players and staff who do not give a fig. The harsh realities of modern football are against us. The people behind this are advised by the best lawyers, accountants etc they have a long term plan, they achieved the first 5 years plan in 3, they are now going again, just like Adkins wasn't good enough, NC wasn't either.... RK US links and links to hockey are potentially key to future revenue, as is our academy, judge the new board after a ball is kicked not before. My major problem is the supposition that we are doomed before Ronko and the new board have even started.
You may well be right about my emotions coming out. This isn't necessarily loyalty to Lovren et al who have left so are no longer part of sfc. It is definitely loyalty to SFC and loyalty and passion and love that Krueger will not ever in my opinion possess. That said here's my attempt at rational argument to support my complaint

Whilst not being fully aware of income and expense humour me for a bit

Income

lets assume 12500 season tickets sold at an average of 625.00 =7,812,500
Income from Sky for last season approx 80 million
Income from selling players this summer - 90 million
income from wage savings from released or sold players 5-6 million

Total income approx 182million

Minus expenses
pay off 27million in previous purchases
pay off 30 million for training ground
23 million for Tadic and Pelle plus maybe 2m for Bertrand

so 82 million spent if we assume we had to pay for the training ground in full as nothing paid previously

I calculate this leaves 100m so surely we should be doing more in the transfer market and had we had a more professional well thought out strategy to sign replacements as we went along the selling clubs wouldn't be able to hold us to ransom to a degree as they are now due to knowing how much money we are sitting on in theory. Not that I believe for one minute that we will see the full proceeds invested.
did you do poopeys books?
I only ask because you haven't included overseas tv income, merchandise income, any bills like water, takes a lot to keep sms and the training ground watered, gas or electric. you haven't included staff wages any other running costs, food, travel expenses including the coach, you allowed a huge £30mill for the training ground as you assumed that the builders would have forked out all the cost upfront in the hope of being paid, it gets paid off over the total length of the build, cost of running the academy which includes housing for the lads etc, theres no allowance for all the training kit, policing games ambulance service etc etc.
its not as easy as adding 2+2 to make 4. I haven't even mentioned any of the different taxes that need to be paid, vat paye etc etc.
this is why I leave the difficult and technical stuff like multi-million pound football finances to the experts. those that have experience and a degree in accounting.
You obviously missed my key caveat where I said whilst not familiar with ALL income and expenses. I was just demonstrating the fact that contary to what Reed and Krueger are saying we ae yet to see anything like the investment of the income received.

Also thought i'd deal with Rising_sons comment re disdain. It wasn't directed at you my post was a general view that there seems to be a collapse of people respecting others views and opinions even where they disagree. Most of the responses to my posts are just challenging my thought processes or just plain disagree which is fine. My comment was aimed at those where it all gets personal.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.[/p][/quote]yes I would love to know what happened. but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season. don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone. I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be 1) get safe from relegation 2) see 1) after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less. we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season.[/p][/quote]Sensible post about next years aims to be avoid relegation. Given the way Krueger and Reed seem to have set out their transfer strategy to sell all our best players. Surely knowing this would leave Koeman with an even smaller squad than last year if we stay up Koeman deserves huge credit. I hope if Liebher takes nothing away from this summer she has learnt NEVER trust an ice hockey man to try to be a figure head for a football club. For Krueger read similar outcome to that of Rupert Lowe who was a Hockey lover rather than a footballing bloke. In my opinion we need to find a football person we can bring in to work between Krueger and Reed to help stabilise the club. I can not and will never understand why certain posters have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board as all I am and others are saying is strengthen the squad, and this is said out of a love for SFC than Krueger and Reed can not and will not ever 1. understand or 2. possess.[/p][/quote]They are doing so, their way. Your view is one based on emotion and loyalty, to players and staff who do not give a fig. The harsh realities of modern football are against us. The people behind this are advised by the best lawyers, accountants etc they have a long term plan, they achieved the first 5 years plan in 3, they are now going again, just like Adkins wasn't good enough, NC wasn't either.... RK US links and links to hockey are potentially key to future revenue, as is our academy, judge the new board after a ball is kicked not before. My major problem is the supposition that we are doomed before Ronko and the new board have even started.[/p][/quote]You may well be right about my emotions coming out. This isn't necessarily loyalty to Lovren et al who have left so are no longer part of sfc. It is definitely loyalty to SFC and loyalty and passion and love that Krueger will not ever in my opinion possess. That said here's my attempt at rational argument to support my complaint Whilst not being fully aware of income and expense humour me for a bit Income lets assume 12500 season tickets sold at an average of 625.00 =7,812,500 Income from Sky for last season approx 80 million Income from selling players this summer - 90 million income from wage savings from released or sold players 5-6 million Total income approx 182million Minus expenses pay off 27million in previous purchases pay off 30 million for training ground 23 million for Tadic and Pelle plus maybe 2m for Bertrand so 82 million spent if we assume we had to pay for the training ground in full as nothing paid previously I calculate this leaves 100m so surely we should be doing more in the transfer market and had we had a more professional well thought out strategy to sign replacements as we went along the selling clubs wouldn't be able to hold us to ransom to a degree as they are now due to knowing how much money we are sitting on in theory. Not that I believe for one minute that we will see the full proceeds invested.[/p][/quote]did you do poopeys books?[/p][/quote]I only ask because you haven't included overseas tv income, merchandise income, any bills like water, takes a lot to keep sms and the training ground watered, gas or electric. you haven't included staff wages any other running costs, food, travel expenses including the coach, you allowed a huge £30mill for the training ground as you assumed that the builders would have forked out all the cost upfront in the hope of being paid, it gets paid off over the total length of the build, cost of running the academy which includes housing for the lads etc, theres no allowance for all the training kit, policing games ambulance service etc etc. its not as easy as adding 2+2 to make 4. I haven't even mentioned any of the different taxes that need to be paid, vat paye etc etc. this is why I leave the difficult and technical stuff like multi-million pound football finances to the experts. those that have experience and a degree in accounting.[/p][/quote]You obviously missed my key caveat where I said whilst not familiar with ALL income and expenses. I was just demonstrating the fact that contary to what Reed and Krueger are saying we ae yet to see anything like the investment of the income received. Also thought i'd deal with Rising_sons comment re disdain. It wasn't directed at you my post was a general view that there seems to be a collapse of people respecting others views and opinions even where they disagree. Most of the responses to my posts are just challenging my thought processes or just plain disagree which is fine. My comment was aimed at those where it all gets personal. upwherewebelong
  • Score: 0

8:09am Thu 31 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??
Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?
Wobblycat

You are a Rumpleteaser aren't you. Go and have a read of that article that has been mentioned on many of the forums today about the Saint's inability to add more than 4% to their wages bill.

It clearly gives a different light on our need to sell off our Players with the biggest wage demands and buy in less glamourous ones to match the Financial Fair Play rules that only apply to the bottom half of the Premiership


Expect to see more players in at around £5m rather than £10m
Well that just proves its nothing more than a business and nothing to do with football anymore then doesn't it.
Do you know anything about either Business or Football ?
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: 90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??[/p][/quote]Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?[/p][/quote]Wobblycat You are a Rumpleteaser aren't you. Go and have a read of that article that has been mentioned on many of the forums today about the Saint's inability to add more than 4% to their wages bill. It clearly gives a different light on our need to sell off our Players with the biggest wage demands and buy in less glamourous ones to match the Financial Fair Play rules that only apply to the bottom half of the Premiership Expect to see more players in at around £5m rather than £10m[/p][/quote]Well that just proves its nothing more than a business and nothing to do with football anymore then doesn't it.[/p][/quote]Do you know anything about either Business or Football ? Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 3

8:19am Thu 31 Jul 14

fritzer says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.
yes I would love to know what happened.

but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season.

don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone.
I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that

so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be
1) get safe from relegation
2) see 1)

after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less.
we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season.
Sensible post about next years aims to be avoid relegation. Given the way Krueger and Reed seem to have set out their transfer strategy to sell all our best players. Surely knowing this would leave Koeman with an even smaller squad than last year if we stay up Koeman deserves huge credit. I hope if Liebher takes nothing away from this summer she has learnt NEVER trust an ice hockey man to try to be a figure head for a football club. For Krueger read similar outcome to that of Rupert Lowe who was a Hockey lover rather than a footballing bloke. In my opinion we need to find a football person we can bring in to work between Krueger and Reed to help stabilise the club. I can not and will never understand why certain posters have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board as all I am and others are saying is strengthen the squad, and this is said out of a love for SFC than Krueger and Reed can not and will not ever 1. understand or 2. possess.
They are doing so, their way. Your view is one based on emotion and loyalty, to players and staff who do not give a fig. The harsh realities of modern football are against us. The people behind this are advised by the best lawyers, accountants etc they have a long term plan, they achieved the first 5 years plan in 3, they are now going again, just like Adkins wasn't good enough, NC wasn't either.... RK US links and links to hockey are potentially key to future revenue, as is our academy, judge the new board after a ball is kicked not before. My major problem is the supposition that we are doomed before Ronko and the new board have even started.
You may well be right about my emotions coming out. This isn't necessarily loyalty to Lovren et al who have left so are no longer part of sfc. It is definitely loyalty to SFC and loyalty and passion and love that Krueger will not ever in my opinion possess. That said here's my attempt at rational argument to support my complaint

Whilst not being fully aware of income and expense humour me for a bit

Income

lets assume 12500 season tickets sold at an average of 625.00 =7,812,500
Income from Sky for last season approx 80 million
Income from selling players this summer - 90 million
income from wage savings from released or sold players 5-6 million

Total income approx 182million

Minus expenses
pay off 27million in previous purchases
pay off 30 million for training ground
23 million for Tadic and Pelle plus maybe 2m for Bertrand

so 82 million spent if we assume we had to pay for the training ground in full as nothing paid previously

I calculate this leaves 100m so surely we should be doing more in the transfer market and had we had a more professional well thought out strategy to sign replacements as we went along the selling clubs wouldn't be able to hold us to ransom to a degree as they are now due to knowing how much money we are sitting on in theory. Not that I believe for one minute that we will see the full proceeds invested.
TAX on player sales would be a sizable sum, doe's any one know the percentage?
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.[/p][/quote]yes I would love to know what happened. but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season. don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone. I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be 1) get safe from relegation 2) see 1) after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less. we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season.[/p][/quote]Sensible post about next years aims to be avoid relegation. Given the way Krueger and Reed seem to have set out their transfer strategy to sell all our best players. Surely knowing this would leave Koeman with an even smaller squad than last year if we stay up Koeman deserves huge credit. I hope if Liebher takes nothing away from this summer she has learnt NEVER trust an ice hockey man to try to be a figure head for a football club. For Krueger read similar outcome to that of Rupert Lowe who was a Hockey lover rather than a footballing bloke. In my opinion we need to find a football person we can bring in to work between Krueger and Reed to help stabilise the club. I can not and will never understand why certain posters have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board as all I am and others are saying is strengthen the squad, and this is said out of a love for SFC than Krueger and Reed can not and will not ever 1. understand or 2. possess.[/p][/quote]They are doing so, their way. Your view is one based on emotion and loyalty, to players and staff who do not give a fig. The harsh realities of modern football are against us. The people behind this are advised by the best lawyers, accountants etc they have a long term plan, they achieved the first 5 years plan in 3, they are now going again, just like Adkins wasn't good enough, NC wasn't either.... RK US links and links to hockey are potentially key to future revenue, as is our academy, judge the new board after a ball is kicked not before. My major problem is the supposition that we are doomed before Ronko and the new board have even started.[/p][/quote]You may well be right about my emotions coming out. This isn't necessarily loyalty to Lovren et al who have left so are no longer part of sfc. It is definitely loyalty to SFC and loyalty and passion and love that Krueger will not ever in my opinion possess. That said here's my attempt at rational argument to support my complaint Whilst not being fully aware of income and expense humour me for a bit Income lets assume 12500 season tickets sold at an average of 625.00 =7,812,500 Income from Sky for last season approx 80 million Income from selling players this summer - 90 million income from wage savings from released or sold players 5-6 million Total income approx 182million Minus expenses pay off 27million in previous purchases pay off 30 million for training ground 23 million for Tadic and Pelle plus maybe 2m for Bertrand so 82 million spent if we assume we had to pay for the training ground in full as nothing paid previously I calculate this leaves 100m so surely we should be doing more in the transfer market and had we had a more professional well thought out strategy to sign replacements as we went along the selling clubs wouldn't be able to hold us to ransom to a degree as they are now due to knowing how much money we are sitting on in theory. Not that I believe for one minute that we will see the full proceeds invested.[/p][/quote]TAX on player sales would be a sizable sum, doe's any one know the percentage? fritzer
  • Score: 0

8:20am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Well, at least we have the option to keep hold of the investment in his advancement. I generally think loaning is a sign of crisis.
In this case it's a try before you buy option I think. Sound business and a very handy defender too.
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: Well, at least we have the option to keep hold of the investment in his advancement. I generally think loaning is a sign of crisis.[/p][/quote]In this case it's a try before you buy option I think. Sound business and a very handy defender too. jls217
  • Score: 2

8:23am Thu 31 Jul 14

Costa Baz says...

WobblyCat wrote:
90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??
As I understand it, they have high hopes for Targett, and bringing in a £15m left back would prevent his progress.
Good to have two young full backs competing.
[quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: 90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??[/p][/quote]As I understand it, they have high hopes for Targett, and bringing in a £15m left back would prevent his progress. Good to have two young full backs competing. Costa Baz
  • Score: 4

8:27am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
The start of the comeback ...

I predict more incomings, the building of a god squad and a great side, and a season that exceeds our current levels of expectations. It will be interesting to see how much we pay, if we do buy him, compared to how much United panic-bought Shaw for ... and also interesting to see if Bertrand is fit, rather than being a porked-up lard- bucket :-)
A god squad would be like - almost unbeatable with all those miracles n' stuff. Flying down the wing would be a weekly occurrence. Divine intervention at freekicks and penalties - We'd need to sign Moses and bring Jesus back from Twattenham. Matty could take is nr 7 up again - injuries no problem - healing on the spot - who needs an expensive physio. Sod putting anything in the collection at half time. Water into wine, imagine the profits on that.
Sorry Tony - just got carried away with your typo, childish enough not to be able to resist it - Gospel mate.
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: The start of the comeback ... I predict more incomings, the building of a god squad and a great side, and a season that exceeds our current levels of expectations. It will be interesting to see how much we pay, if we do buy him, compared to how much United panic-bought Shaw for ... and also interesting to see if Bertrand is fit, rather than being a porked-up lard- bucket :-)[/p][/quote]A god squad would be like - almost unbeatable with all those miracles n' stuff. Flying down the wing would be a weekly occurrence. Divine intervention at freekicks and penalties - We'd need to sign Moses and bring Jesus back from Twattenham. Matty could take is nr 7 up again - injuries no problem - healing on the spot - who needs an expensive physio. Sod putting anything in the collection at half time. Water into wine, imagine the profits on that. Sorry Tony - just got carried away with your typo, childish enough not to be able to resist it - Gospel mate. jls217
  • Score: 0

8:28am Thu 31 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Costa Baz wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??
As I understand it, they have high hopes for Targett, and bringing in a £15m left back would prevent his progress.
Good to have two young full backs competing.
AND the backs and Keeper will be very busy next season...... to prevent ;leaking of lots of goals.

CB Pairing essential and that is the TOP PRIORITY with Lovren gone.

NEED MORE NEWS of incoming Players ....

See that the Brighton Friendly and we are only taking 800 AWAY is noir sold out ...

Can you blame SAINTS Fans ..... by letting Rickie go and starting a Mass Exodus and 5 Senior Players already moved to other Clubs.

COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: 90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??[/p][/quote]As I understand it, they have high hopes for Targett, and bringing in a £15m left back would prevent his progress. Good to have two young full backs competing.[/p][/quote]AND the backs and Keeper will be very busy next season...... to prevent ;leaking of lots of goals. CB Pairing essential and that is the TOP PRIORITY with Lovren gone. NEED MORE NEWS of incoming Players .... See that the Brighton Friendly and we are only taking 800 AWAY is noir sold out ... Can you blame SAINTS Fans ..... by letting Rickie go and starting a Mass Exodus and 5 Senior Players already moved to other Clubs. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 4

8:30am Thu 31 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

upwherewebelong says...
"Also thought i'd deal with Rising_sons comment re disdain. It wasn't directed at you my post was a general view that there seems to be a collapse of people respecting others views and opinions even where they disagree. Most of the responses to my posts are just challenging my thought processes or just plain disagree which is fine. My comment was aimed at those where it all gets personal."

My problem with your post was that you clearly directed it at certain posters who "have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board". It is a two way street and as much (and maybe more) abuse goes in the opposite direction. It's a very sad fact of life.
upwherewebelong says... "Also thought i'd deal with Rising_sons comment re disdain. It wasn't directed at you my post was a general view that there seems to be a collapse of people respecting others views and opinions even where they disagree. Most of the responses to my posts are just challenging my thought processes or just plain disagree which is fine. My comment was aimed at those where it all gets personal." My problem with your post was that you clearly directed it at certain posters who "have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board". It is a two way street and as much (and maybe more) abuse goes in the opposite direction. It's a very sad fact of life. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

8:31am Thu 31 Jul 14

Alicesdad says...

Welcome to our world Ryan .. I'm sure it will be an interesting time.
You played in a Champions League Final .. it would be nice for you to do that again one day so stick around .. you never know!
Welcome to our world Ryan .. I'm sure it will be an interesting time. You played in a Champions League Final .. it would be nice for you to do that again one day so stick around .. you never know! Alicesdad
  • Score: 2

8:32am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

poshdave wrote:
..............not really what we are all waiting for?,............loa

n signing?........we are waiting for the club to make an acqusition that will show their intent after whats happened over the past few weeks, ................we need to see action (not words) which will give us fans confidence for the new season,..........is this it?. you are very easily pleased if so....
At the very worst it buys us time to see if Ryan is up to it or indeed is Targett up to it. At the best it gives us cover and competition at a position we needed filled quickly.

Listen to his interview - he gives hints he is looking for a spot permanently and it has come at the right time for his career as he wants first team football. It's also come at the right time for Saints
He is a good LB who has been capped for England I believe.

As close to a win/win situation you will find - so why the gloom and doom. There's a price 8-10mill on this lad so we've done alright out of it. Don't understand the problem.
[quote][p][bold]poshdave[/bold] wrote: ..............not really what we are all waiting for?,............loa n signing?........we are waiting for the club to make an acqusition that will show their intent after whats happened over the past few weeks, ................we need to see action (not words) which will give us fans confidence for the new season,..........is this it?. you are very easily pleased if so....[/p][/quote]At the very worst it buys us time to see if Ryan is up to it or indeed is Targett up to it. At the best it gives us cover and competition at a position we needed filled quickly. Listen to his interview - he gives hints he is looking for a spot permanently and it has come at the right time for his career as he wants first team football. It's also come at the right time for Saints He is a good LB who has been capped for England I believe. As close to a win/win situation you will find - so why the gloom and doom. There's a price 8-10mill on this lad so we've done alright out of it. Don't understand the problem. jls217
  • Score: 2

8:33am Thu 31 Jul 14

wrypop says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.
With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.
EXACTLY the point i'm trying to make our bank balance is awesome so invest some of it in permanent deals. Oh wait that isn't Krueger, Reed and Liebherrs "Southampton Way" is it. I've said somewhere else the problem isn't with Bertrand as he can only help but i'm so disappointed the club deliberately did this that it will take a lot to make me regain the positivity I had at the end of the season. I'm intelligent enough to understand what Mr Krueger is saying about short cuts etc but surely it isn't difficult to say to the players. "with regret we will sell you BUT ONLY once we've signed a replacement" if the club had followed this there would have been less angst from all concerned and would have been a much safer and wiser way of conducting business. Still Krueger has the problem of having little or no knowledge of football as Ice Hockey is his passion not Saints.
I have read some pretty silly arguments but you will pleased to know yours is the silliest! Runners-up are Wobbly Cat and Block Head 42. The prize giving ceremony is at Fratton Park you will be notified. In the mean time read Deepheat's post and please try and understand this is business and the business is football. Krueger has not been brought to SFC because of his football knowledge which means you may still get a job there!
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.[/p][/quote]With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.[/p][/quote]EXACTLY the point i'm trying to make our bank balance is awesome so invest some of it in permanent deals. Oh wait that isn't Krueger, Reed and Liebherrs "Southampton Way" is it. I've said somewhere else the problem isn't with Bertrand as he can only help but i'm so disappointed the club deliberately did this that it will take a lot to make me regain the positivity I had at the end of the season. I'm intelligent enough to understand what Mr Krueger is saying about short cuts etc but surely it isn't difficult to say to the players. "with regret we will sell you BUT ONLY once we've signed a replacement" if the club had followed this there would have been less angst from all concerned and would have been a much safer and wiser way of conducting business. Still Krueger has the problem of having little or no knowledge of football as Ice Hockey is his passion not Saints.[/p][/quote]I have read some pretty silly arguments but you will pleased to know yours is the silliest! Runners-up are Wobbly Cat and Block Head 42. The prize giving ceremony is at Fratton Park you will be notified. In the mean time read Deepheat's post and please try and understand this is business and the business is football. Krueger has not been brought to SFC because of his football knowledge which means you may still get a job there! wrypop
  • Score: 3

8:33am Thu 31 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

jls217 wrote:
Tony in Liberia wrote:
The start of the comeback ...

I predict more incomings, the building of a god squad and a great side, and a season that exceeds our current levels of expectations. It will be interesting to see how much we pay, if we do buy him, compared to how much United panic-bought Shaw for ... and also interesting to see if Bertrand is fit, rather than being a porked-up lard- bucket :-)
A god squad would be like - almost unbeatable with all those miracles n' stuff. Flying down the wing would be a weekly occurrence. Divine intervention at freekicks and penalties - We'd need to sign Moses and bring Jesus back from Twattenham. Matty could take is nr 7 up again - injuries no problem - healing on the spot - who needs an expensive physio. Sod putting anything in the collection at half time. Water into wine, imagine the profits on that.
Sorry Tony - just got carried away with your typo, childish enough not to be able to resist it - Gospel mate.
We're not called the Saints for nothing, are we?
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: The start of the comeback ... I predict more incomings, the building of a god squad and a great side, and a season that exceeds our current levels of expectations. It will be interesting to see how much we pay, if we do buy him, compared to how much United panic-bought Shaw for ... and also interesting to see if Bertrand is fit, rather than being a porked-up lard- bucket :-)[/p][/quote]A god squad would be like - almost unbeatable with all those miracles n' stuff. Flying down the wing would be a weekly occurrence. Divine intervention at freekicks and penalties - We'd need to sign Moses and bring Jesus back from Twattenham. Matty could take is nr 7 up again - injuries no problem - healing on the spot - who needs an expensive physio. Sod putting anything in the collection at half time. Water into wine, imagine the profits on that. Sorry Tony - just got carried away with your typo, childish enough not to be able to resist it - Gospel mate.[/p][/quote]We're not called the Saints for nothing, are we? Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

8:34am Thu 31 Jul 14

fritzer says...

BumperSaint wrote:
Great move. Even though he's good, he's not too good to the point Matt Target won't get a game...... Should be good competition at left back and gives Targett a season to blood into the prem before taking the world by storm like shaw did!!
And then a move to the BIG SIX !!!!
[quote][p][bold]BumperSaint[/bold] wrote: Great move. Even though he's good, he's not too good to the point Matt Target won't get a game...... Should be good competition at left back and gives Targett a season to blood into the prem before taking the world by storm like shaw did!![/p][/quote]And then a move to the BIG SIX !!!! fritzer
  • Score: -2

8:35am Thu 31 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

hagbourneutd wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
hagbourneutd wrote:
This is the right signing for this position proven in the Premier league and for those complaining it's only a loan, they obviously expect targett to step up sooner rather than later and why spend money just because we have it best save it for other players
Isn't their complaint that we're not spending the money we have recently got? It seems to be important to some people that we spend and spend and spend.
That was my point why spend millions on a position where a loan would be good enough some people won't be happy unless we blow all the money.
Agree that we don't need to spend money unnecessarily if we can get quality in without too much outlay (which we appear to have done),but all the time the club don't spend to much in the current climate,people are obviously going to be a little worried that its not being spent for reasons other than to do with football.
[quote][p][bold]hagbourneutd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hagbourneutd[/bold] wrote: This is the right signing for this position proven in the Premier league and for those complaining it's only a loan, they obviously expect targett to step up sooner rather than later and why spend money just because we have it best save it for other players[/p][/quote]Isn't their complaint that we're not spending the money we have recently got? It seems to be important to some people that we spend and spend and spend.[/p][/quote]That was my point why spend millions on a position where a loan would be good enough some people won't be happy unless we blow all the money.[/p][/quote]Agree that we don't need to spend money unnecessarily if we can get quality in without too much outlay (which we appear to have done),but all the time the club don't spend to much in the current climate,people are obviously going to be a little worried that its not being spent for reasons other than to do with football. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

8:36am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

frenchvic wrote:
This feller play with Vlaar last season, it might help to get him.
And did such a good job they wanted him to stay as well - He is not Cole but he ain't far off it. Great capture especially if he can get with the other defenders or cover for our LM galloper and earns himself that spot - he could be the answer on that left side for the next 8 years or more. Let's hope he grabs the chance.
[quote][p][bold]frenchvic[/bold] wrote: This feller play with Vlaar last season, it might help to get him.[/p][/quote]And did such a good job they wanted him to stay as well - He is not Cole but he ain't far off it. Great capture especially if he can get with the other defenders or cover for our LM galloper and earns himself that spot - he could be the answer on that left side for the next 8 years or more. Let's hope he grabs the chance. jls217
  • Score: 2

8:36am Thu 31 Jul 14

Alicesdad says...

Amidst the fuss, smoke and mirrors of our behind-the-scenes set up I am currently quite impressed that J-Rod has been silent. Being injured at this time must be extremely frustrating for him, but so far no twatter messages about leaving, no comment about his head being somewhere else, and no response to press speculation. Good man - respect !!
Amidst the fuss, smoke and mirrors of our behind-the-scenes set up I am currently quite impressed that J-Rod has been silent. Being injured at this time must be extremely frustrating for him, but so far no twatter messages about leaving, no comment about his head being somewhere else, and no response to press speculation. Good man - respect !! Alicesdad
  • Score: 8

8:38am Thu 31 Jul 14

MiltonRoad says...

fascia123 wrote:
I have been following footy for more years than I can remember and I have never seen a club have such negative media coverage, this player not happy, this player handed in a transfer request, the exodus continues etc etc etc.

Either something is very wrong at the club' which I don't believe is the case, the CV of the new manager far outstrips the previous guy why would he of risked his reputation, new training facility etc etc.

It seems far more sensible that this unrest is being orchestrated by an ex employee of the club, could it be NC upset that he had his power well and truly rained in, I don't have any substance for my argument other than what has/is transpiring doesn't make any sense.

Before I get a barrage of abuse from the mindless section I purely put this out for debate and to seek other sensible supporters views.
I think your suspicions are spot on. Hell hath no fury like an Italian banker scorned.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: I have been following footy for more years than I can remember and I have never seen a club have such negative media coverage, this player not happy, this player handed in a transfer request, the exodus continues etc etc etc. Either something is very wrong at the club' which I don't believe is the case, the CV of the new manager far outstrips the previous guy why would he of risked his reputation, new training facility etc etc. It seems far more sensible that this unrest is being orchestrated by an ex employee of the club, could it be NC upset that he had his power well and truly rained in, I don't have any substance for my argument other than what has/is transpiring doesn't make any sense. Before I get a barrage of abuse from the mindless section I purely put this out for debate and to seek other sensible supporters views.[/p][/quote]I think your suspicions are spot on. Hell hath no fury like an Italian banker scorned. MiltonRoad
  • Score: 3

8:40am Thu 31 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
Plus blame Koeman before he's started?
Tied...His...Hands..
.Are...
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit![/p][/quote]Plus blame Koeman before he's started? Tied...His...Hands.. .Are... lowe esteem
  • Score: 3

8:41am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

St.David wrote:
Great signing. . Good back up for Target who will be our No.3 this year. . Welcome aboard Ryan . . You really are most welcome!, coyrs!!!
I doubt this fella is coming in as anyone's understudy or he wouldn't have come. Listen to his interview. He's here for first team football and if he doesn't get it we won't get him. He is a class defender who made the mistake of jumping at the chance to go to a top club and paid the price by being forgotten about and farmed out. How many times have we seen Chelski and others do that to wreck good players. It may even happen to one or two of those we've just sold for over inflated prices too. Just saying.............
[quote][p][bold]St.David[/bold] wrote: Great signing. . Good back up for Target who will be our No.3 this year. . Welcome aboard Ryan . . You really are most welcome!, coyrs!!![/p][/quote]I doubt this fella is coming in as anyone's understudy or he wouldn't have come. Listen to his interview. He's here for first team football and if he doesn't get it we won't get him. He is a class defender who made the mistake of jumping at the chance to go to a top club and paid the price by being forgotten about and farmed out. How many times have we seen Chelski and others do that to wreck good players. It may even happen to one or two of those we've just sold for over inflated prices too. Just saying............. jls217
  • Score: -2

8:42am Thu 31 Jul 14

Ozmosis says...

I know there was talk about people wanting De Vrij in - he's signed for Lazio....
I know there was talk about people wanting De Vrij in - he's signed for Lazio.... Ozmosis
  • Score: -2

8:42am Thu 31 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

fritzer wrote:
BumperSaint wrote:
Great move. Even though he's good, he's not too good to the point Matt Target won't get a game...... Should be good competition at left back and gives Targett a season to blood into the prem before taking the world by storm like shaw did!!
And then a move to the BIG SIX !!!!
SPOT ON .. We really must come up with a strategy and pretty fast to keep our Players happy including paying them decent amount of money which is the market rate for a Club in the Premiership.

Everton manage it and have the players on side fighting for the CL with only a slightly larger stadium size.

NO MORE benevolent gestures by the Board selling talismen goal scorers and players that can do a job for this club.

NO MORE chasing large sums of money and then struggling to fill that gap. Get the Target Player in first.
[quote][p][bold]fritzer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BumperSaint[/bold] wrote: Great move. Even though he's good, he's not too good to the point Matt Target won't get a game...... Should be good competition at left back and gives Targett a season to blood into the prem before taking the world by storm like shaw did!![/p][/quote]And then a move to the BIG SIX !!!![/p][/quote]SPOT ON .. We really must come up with a strategy and pretty fast to keep our Players happy including paying them decent amount of money which is the market rate for a Club in the Premiership. Everton manage it and have the players on side fighting for the CL with only a slightly larger stadium size. NO MORE benevolent gestures by the Board selling talismen goal scorers and players that can do a job for this club. NO MORE chasing large sums of money and then struggling to fill that gap. Get the Target Player in first. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -2

8:43am Thu 31 Jul 14

cpnhadock says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
Oh clever one..the same scouting network that found gaston ramirez and dani osvaldo yeah???
Well Ramirez confuses me - he periodically shows flashes of brilliance and then goes flat and then his agent cops a strop. I'm really not sure what is happening there

Osvaldo..... well I wonder how much of an influence for that signing came from Poch since he DID have Osvaldo at Espanyol before coming to us.
I think everyone would agree that, despite the flashes of brilliance we saw from Osvaldo, his behaviour was bang out of order and he deserved everything he got. Perhaps if he had been of the same standard as Suarez it might have been a slightly different story (redemption through goals)
you forgot to mention whathisface - the norwegian who came over and did stuff all.

ok so they might not have always got it right. but again, so what? they made those signings and it didn't stop us finishing 8th did it?
do you honestly think the club have given up? Do you think anyone at the club is enjoying this summer any more than the fans?

look - this summer is going to go down in football history but there are loads of positives if you look for them. we'll be fine - the club IS bigger than the players and the club will survive. Not only that, there are clear signs that the club is working bloody hard to get new players in.

I was really upset after Poch left. and by that I mean I properly threw the toys out of the cot and sulked for days. but then I realised that this was all kind of inevitable after Cortese left and that the club would have known and would have been working to make it right.

Right now what everyone at the club needs is us behind them, giving them all our support and encouragement. Not petulant demands for information and armchair FIFA players spouting ***** about what they should be doing.
Really well said! Completely agree!

Tbh - I have been devastated at seeing all if our favourites/best leave. But in reality that is the cycle of events and when players don't want to be there anymore it can be impossible to keep them/get them playing. If you look back at when cough went to Leeds - the team didn't want to play for the new manager...... It failed.


If I look at what the board are doing - it doesn't fill me with comfort - but it cannot be easy to see so many players all peak at the same time and creates massive demand for their services. I am sure I would not be better equipped in the least to take these very tough decisions - I think sfc have got amazing fees for whom we have sold!!


We should be very proud of our academy - it is a critical component of our business model. We do not have a philanthropist any longer - we have his legacy - financial stability and structured and sustainable investment from our academy.



Bertrand is actually a great signing in my opinion! We have a very promising youngster in targett competing with a lad that was trusted with a champions league final!!


More signings needed but I am a believer!!!
Even if you don't like this signing - think about the following things:


We are in the prem.
We have state of art facilities.
We have a great stadium.
We have no debt (that I am aware of).
Life could be a lot worse!

Coyr&ws!
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary.[/p][/quote]Oh clever one..the same scouting network that found gaston ramirez and dani osvaldo yeah???[/p][/quote]Well Ramirez confuses me - he periodically shows flashes of brilliance and then goes flat and then his agent cops a strop. I'm really not sure what is happening there Osvaldo..... well I wonder how much of an influence for that signing came from Poch since he DID have Osvaldo at Espanyol before coming to us. I think everyone would agree that, despite the flashes of brilliance we saw from Osvaldo, his behaviour was bang out of order and he deserved everything he got. Perhaps if he had been of the same standard as Suarez it might have been a slightly different story (redemption through goals) you forgot to mention whathisface - the norwegian who came over and did stuff all. ok so they might not have always got it right. but again, so what? they made those signings and it didn't stop us finishing 8th did it? do you honestly think the club have given up? Do you think anyone at the club is enjoying this summer any more than the fans? look - this summer is going to go down in football history but there are loads of positives if you look for them. we'll be fine - the club IS bigger than the players and the club will survive. Not only that, there are clear signs that the club is working bloody hard to get new players in. I was really upset after Poch left. and by that I mean I properly threw the toys out of the cot and sulked for days. but then I realised that this was all kind of inevitable after Cortese left and that the club would have known and would have been working to make it right. Right now what everyone at the club needs is us behind them, giving them all our support and encouragement. Not petulant demands for information and armchair FIFA players spouting ***** about what they should be doing.[/p][/quote]Really well said! Completely agree! Tbh - I have been devastated at seeing all if our favourites/best leave. But in reality that is the cycle of events and when players don't want to be there anymore it can be impossible to keep them/get them playing. If you look back at when cough went to Leeds - the team didn't want to play for the new manager...... It failed. If I look at what the board are doing - it doesn't fill me with comfort - but it cannot be easy to see so many players all peak at the same time and creates massive demand for their services. I am sure I would not be better equipped in the least to take these very tough decisions - I think sfc have got amazing fees for whom we have sold!! We should be very proud of our academy - it is a critical component of our business model. We do not have a philanthropist any longer - we have his legacy - financial stability and structured and sustainable investment from our academy. Bertrand is actually a great signing in my opinion! We have a very promising youngster in targett competing with a lad that was trusted with a champions league final!! More signings needed but I am a believer!!! Even if you don't like this signing - think about the following things: We are in the prem. We have state of art facilities. We have a great stadium. We have no debt (that I am aware of). Life could be a lot worse! Coyr&ws! cpnhadock
  • Score: 5

8:46am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.
With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.
What big players do you think are going to join us at the moment then with the wages we pay?
The ones we can afford or who like this lad want a permanent home and finally realized they ain't going to get one where they are. Make no mistake this lad is a good defender. He has to go and prove he is worthy of a contract because he is up for sale. Top clubs loan players in and out all the time. Look who Everton have just signed after a loan period and now have made their record signing.
In the words of a very sexy lady archer on the telly. "You know nothing"
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: aren't loans generally used though for clubs in financial difficulties or those trying to do things on the cheap. I am pleased we've done something, and have nothing against Bertrand however it feels as though it is a token gesture. To be honest I wanted permanent incoming players not loans where we are saying to all concerned we aren't sure about the deal.[/p][/quote]With the money saints have banked in the last couple of months I would think the clubs bank balance is quite healthy.[/p][/quote]What big players do you think are going to join us at the moment then with the wages we pay?[/p][/quote]The ones we can afford or who like this lad want a permanent home and finally realized they ain't going to get one where they are. Make no mistake this lad is a good defender. He has to go and prove he is worthy of a contract because he is up for sale. Top clubs loan players in and out all the time. Look who Everton have just signed after a loan period and now have made their record signing. In the words of a very sexy lady archer on the telly. "You know nothing" jls217
  • Score: 2

8:50am Thu 31 Jul 14

swesaint says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
upwherewebelong wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.
yes I would love to know what happened.

but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season.

don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone.
I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that

so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be
1) get safe from relegation
2) see 1)

after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less.
we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season.
Sensible post about next years aims to be avoid relegation. Given the way Krueger and Reed seem to have set out their transfer strategy to sell all our best players. Surely knowing this would leave Koeman with an even smaller squad than last year if we stay up Koeman deserves huge credit. I hope if Liebher takes nothing away from this summer she has learnt NEVER trust an ice hockey man to try to be a figure head for a football club. For Krueger read similar outcome to that of Rupert Lowe who was a Hockey lover rather than a footballing bloke. In my opinion we need to find a football person we can bring in to work between Krueger and Reed to help stabilise the club. I can not and will never understand why certain posters have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board as all I am and others are saying is strengthen the squad, and this is said out of a love for SFC than Krueger and Reed can not and will not ever 1. understand or 2. possess.
They are doing so, their way. Your view is one based on emotion and loyalty, to players and staff who do not give a fig. The harsh realities of modern football are against us. The people behind this are advised by the best lawyers, accountants etc they have a long term plan, they achieved the first 5 years plan in 3, they are now going again, just like Adkins wasn't good enough, NC wasn't either.... RK US links and links to hockey are potentially key to future revenue, as is our academy, judge the new board after a ball is kicked not before. My major problem is the supposition that we are doomed before Ronko and the new board have even started.
You may well be right about my emotions coming out. This isn't necessarily loyalty to Lovren et al who have left so are no longer part of sfc. It is definitely loyalty to SFC and loyalty and passion and love that Krueger will not ever in my opinion possess. That said here's my attempt at rational argument to support my complaint

Whilst not being fully aware of income and expense humour me for a bit

Income

lets assume 12500 season tickets sold at an average of 625.00 =7,812,500
Income from Sky for last season approx 80 million
Income from selling players this summer - 90 million
income from wage savings from released or sold players 5-6 million

Total income approx 182million

Minus expenses
pay off 27million in previous purchases
pay off 30 million for training ground
23 million for Tadic and Pelle plus maybe 2m for Bertrand

so 82 million spent if we assume we had to pay for the training ground in full as nothing paid previously

I calculate this leaves 100m so surely we should be doing more in the transfer market and had we had a more professional well thought out strategy to sign replacements as we went along the selling clubs wouldn't be able to hold us to ransom to a degree as they are now due to knowing how much money we are sitting on in theory. Not that I believe for one minute that we will see the full proceeds invested.
What about staff wages and player wages? You do know sky money is not paid in a lump sum but monthly to support running costs.
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.[/p][/quote]yes I would love to know what happened. but do you know - that will probably never see the light of day. and does it really matter? the focus should be on next season. don't get me wrong - I would much prefer for us to improve on 8th (and upset diverpool along the way) but that team is gone. I have my own theory on what happened and RK kind of confirmed it, but it's just a theory and a speculative one at that so the realistic, bare bones approach next season HAS to be 1) get safe from relegation 2) see 1) after that it's all gravy. I do not want to see our club embroiled in a relegation fight all season long and I have confidence that we won't be. but if it does turn out that way, we just have to be better than three other teams. No more no less. we can worry about 8th and Europe later. right now we have to rebuild and avoid relegation - I think that is enough work for Koeman to do in his first season.[/p][/quote]Sensible post about next years aims to be avoid relegation. Given the way Krueger and Reed seem to have set out their transfer strategy to sell all our best players. Surely knowing this would leave Koeman with an even smaller squad than last year if we stay up Koeman deserves huge credit. I hope if Liebher takes nothing away from this summer she has learnt NEVER trust an ice hockey man to try to be a figure head for a football club. For Krueger read similar outcome to that of Rupert Lowe who was a Hockey lover rather than a footballing bloke. In my opinion we need to find a football person we can bring in to work between Krueger and Reed to help stabilise the club. I can not and will never understand why certain posters have nothing but disdain for people like myself that are critical of the board as all I am and others are saying is strengthen the squad, and this is said out of a love for SFC than Krueger and Reed can not and will not ever 1. understand or 2. possess.[/p][/quote]They are doing so, their way. Your view is one based on emotion and loyalty, to players and staff who do not give a fig. The harsh realities of modern football are against us. The people behind this are advised by the best lawyers, accountants etc they have a long term plan, they achieved the first 5 years plan in 3, they are now going again, just like Adkins wasn't good enough, NC wasn't either.... RK US links and links to hockey are potentially key to future revenue, as is our academy, judge the new board after a ball is kicked not before. My major problem is the supposition that we are doomed before Ronko and the new board have even started.[/p][/quote]You may well be right about my emotions coming out. This isn't necessarily loyalty to Lovren et al who have left so are no longer part of sfc. It is definitely loyalty to SFC and loyalty and passion and love that Krueger will not ever in my opinion possess. That said here's my attempt at rational argument to support my complaint Whilst not being fully aware of income and expense humour me for a bit Income lets assume 12500 season tickets sold at an average of 625.00 =7,812,500 Income from Sky for last season approx 80 million Income from selling players this summer - 90 million income from wage savings from released or sold players 5-6 million Total income approx 182million Minus expenses pay off 27million in previous purchases pay off 30 million for training ground 23 million for Tadic and Pelle plus maybe 2m for Bertrand so 82 million spent if we assume we had to pay for the training ground in full as nothing paid previously I calculate this leaves 100m so surely we should be doing more in the transfer market and had we had a more professional well thought out strategy to sign replacements as we went along the selling clubs wouldn't be able to hold us to ransom to a degree as they are now due to knowing how much money we are sitting on in theory. Not that I believe for one minute that we will see the full proceeds invested.[/p][/quote]What about staff wages and player wages? You do know sky money is not paid in a lump sum but monthly to support running costs. swesaint
  • Score: 2

8:51am Thu 31 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??
As I understand it, they have high hopes for Targett, and bringing in a £15m left back would prevent his progress.
Good to have two young full backs competing.
AND the backs and Keeper will be very busy next season...... to prevent ;leaking of lots of goals.

CB Pairing essential and that is the TOP PRIORITY with Lovren gone.

NEED MORE NEWS of incoming Players ....

See that the Brighton Friendly and we are only taking 800 AWAY is noir sold out ...

Can you blame SAINTS Fans ..... by letting Rickie go and starting a Mass Exodus and 5 Senior Players already moved to other Clubs.

COYR+WS
Thursday night kick off may also have had an affect on how many are going tonight.
I had 4 tickets which I bought thinking the game was on Saturday having not checked the date of the game...doh!
I have managed to get rid of 3 and that might rise to all 4 by this afternoon.
I still think 800 for a friendly away is pretty decent for a Thursday night game.
Hope everyone get's there and back safely and Saints continue their winning ways....enjoy the game and keep your backs to the wall!!!
COYR FOADP
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: 90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??[/p][/quote]As I understand it, they have high hopes for Targett, and bringing in a £15m left back would prevent his progress. Good to have two young full backs competing.[/p][/quote]AND the backs and Keeper will be very busy next season...... to prevent ;leaking of lots of goals. CB Pairing essential and that is the TOP PRIORITY with Lovren gone. NEED MORE NEWS of incoming Players .... See that the Brighton Friendly and we are only taking 800 AWAY is noir sold out ... Can you blame SAINTS Fans ..... by letting Rickie go and starting a Mass Exodus and 5 Senior Players already moved to other Clubs. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Thursday night kick off may also have had an affect on how many are going tonight. I had 4 tickets which I bought thinking the game was on Saturday having not checked the date of the game...doh! I have managed to get rid of 3 and that might rise to all 4 by this afternoon. I still think 800 for a friendly away is pretty decent for a Thursday night game. Hope everyone get's there and back safely and Saints continue their winning ways....enjoy the game and keep your backs to the wall!!! COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

8:51am Thu 31 Jul 14

Bingo from Sholing says...

This is more gesture politics to save the skins of appallingly poor administrators.
This is more gesture politics to save the skins of appallingly poor administrators. Bingo from Sholing
  • Score: -4

8:52am Thu 31 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??
Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?
Pelle is 6' 3".
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: 90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??[/p][/quote]Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?[/p][/quote]Pelle is 6' 3". george chivers
  • Score: 1

8:53am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
You're actually wrong mate. According to a French sports writer and the team at Talk Sport we have consistently the best Youth set up in the world which is why foreign clubs are keen to be associated with our franchise idea - (don't know exactly what form that will take though)
Great post mate us "Look to the horizon" kind of folk have been thin on the ground of late and we've only been able to hear the bellowing of the wart hogs.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]You're actually wrong mate. According to a French sports writer and the team at Talk Sport we have consistently the best Youth set up in the world which is why foreign clubs are keen to be associated with our franchise idea - (don't know exactly what form that will take though) Great post mate us "Look to the horizon" kind of folk have been thin on the ground of late and we've only been able to hear the bellowing of the wart hogs. jls217
  • Score: -2

8:53am Thu 31 Jul 14

This is Southampton and we are the Saints says...

Isn't it amazing one minute people are ready to storm St Mary's to demand answers from the club! Over what has happened to are great club and rightly so!
But no wait one word from the chairman and the dribbling fools are back on board and everything's smelling of roses once more!
People please! Ask questions think for yourselves all that the club is doing is given the fans lip service! Mark my works no player of any worth will be coming to southampton few Cheapies and loan players
The aim this season is consolidation and just staying in the
League? I know not exciting but that's the way it is!
Isn't it amazing one minute people are ready to storm St Mary's to demand answers from the club! Over what has happened to are great club and rightly so! But no wait one word from the chairman and the dribbling fools are back on board and everything's smelling of roses once more! People please! Ask questions think for yourselves all that the club is doing is given the fans lip service! Mark my works no player of any worth will be coming to southampton few Cheapies and loan players The aim this season is consolidation and just staying in the League? I know not exciting but that's the way it is! This is Southampton and we are the Saints
  • Score: -10

8:56am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
And also given the mindset of those who set this ball rolling unavoidable too. Maybe we should stop dealing with then and be a little more aware of the now eh!?
We stared over the abyss and stepped back!
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary.[/p][/quote]And also given the mindset of those who set this ball rolling unavoidable too. Maybe we should stop dealing with then and be a little more aware of the now eh!? We stared over the abyss and stepped back! jls217
  • Score: 1

8:56am Thu 31 Jul 14

george chivers says...

george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??
Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?
Pelle is 6' 3".
Sorry replied to the wrong post! It's a bit early for me.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: 90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??[/p][/quote]Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?[/p][/quote]Pelle is 6' 3".[/p][/quote]Sorry replied to the wrong post! It's a bit early for me. george chivers
  • Score: 0

8:59am Thu 31 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Block 42 wrote:
THE12THMAN wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
No pleasing some people I'm afraid.
So we should be pleased with a loanee journyman to replace a 30 mill left back.yeah nice one mate.
We need big players coming in.
Pelle is 6' 3".
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]No pleasing some people I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]So we should be pleased with a loanee journyman to replace a 30 mill left back.yeah nice one mate. We need big players coming in.[/p][/quote]Pelle is 6' 3". george chivers
  • Score: 3

8:59am Thu 31 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??
Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?
Pelle is 6' 3".
Sorry replied to the wrong post! It's a bit early for me.
Is he really!! ;0)
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: 90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??[/p][/quote]Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?[/p][/quote]Pelle is 6' 3".[/p][/quote]Sorry replied to the wrong post! It's a bit early for me.[/p][/quote]Is he really!! ;0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

9:03am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

deepheat wrote:
This will cheer you up.

Daily Mail

"Ryan Bertrand has been on Liverpool’s radar for more than 12 months and they came close to sign him in the January window but he ultimately ended up joining Aston Villa on loan. Chelsea are reluctant to sell to title rival and would want £8million for him"

Daily Mirror Jul 30, 2014 21:27

"Southampton closing in on Marcos Rojo and Saphir Taider in eye-catching double swoop

Boss Ronald Koeman has offered Sporting Lisbon £10m for versatile Rojo who can play as a centre back or left back.

Saints have also been offered Algerian international Taider on a season's loan as part of bad boy Dani Osvaldo's switch to the Serie A giants.

"Koeman has also tabled a bid for Parma winger Jonathan Biabiany, but faces competition from West Brom for the Frenchman's signature."
Good info - didn't realize Rojo also played at CB so it would make him a great signing.
Have you taken a look at this lad Taider on you tube? He does like to get stuck in. Also he was in the French U18,19,20,21 teams before opting for the land of his father so to speak. Wouldn't mind seeing this lad on loan if it means getting arsevaldo off the books for another year. Maybe he too will fit the bill and we will have another option for a MF purchase should Cork and Spyder really decide to quit.
Heard Biabiany mentioned in football circles before but don't know much about him but if Rambo says he's good then he's good.
This is going to be the best season ever!
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: This will cheer you up. Daily Mail "Ryan Bertrand has been on Liverpool’s radar for more than 12 months and they came close to sign him in the January window but he ultimately ended up joining Aston Villa on loan. Chelsea are reluctant to sell to title rival and would want £8million for him" Daily Mirror Jul 30, 2014 21:27 "Southampton closing in on Marcos Rojo and Saphir Taider in eye-catching double swoop Boss Ronald Koeman has offered Sporting Lisbon £10m for versatile Rojo who can play as a centre back or left back. Saints have also been offered Algerian international Taider on a season's loan as part of bad boy Dani Osvaldo's switch to the Serie A giants. "Koeman has also tabled a bid for Parma winger Jonathan Biabiany, but faces competition from West Brom for the Frenchman's signature."[/p][/quote]Good info - didn't realize Rojo also played at CB so it would make him a great signing. Have you taken a look at this lad Taider on you tube? He does like to get stuck in. Also he was in the French U18,19,20,21 teams before opting for the land of his father so to speak. Wouldn't mind seeing this lad on loan if it means getting arsevaldo off the books for another year. Maybe he too will fit the bill and we will have another option for a MF purchase should Cork and Spyder really decide to quit. Heard Biabiany mentioned in football circles before but don't know much about him but if Rambo says he's good then he's good. This is going to be the best season ever! jls217
  • Score: 0

9:07am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit!
So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.
FFS!!!!!!!
Strasbourg - many of us share your thoughts.
What do you know of this Biabiany we have a bid in for please?
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]how has that other chelski reject cork been doing then? really should think a bit![/p][/quote]So your happy a 30 mill left back has gone and a loanee journyman has come in.need to show a statement of intent.this is not a statement of intent.we need big players coming in.[/p][/quote]FFS!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Strasbourg - many of us share your thoughts. What do you know of this Biabiany we have a bid in for please? jls217
  • Score: 2

9:09am Thu 31 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

I hope that the club continues to grow under the stewardship of Koeman, the results pleasing, so fans who have turned to the dark side can get back to what matters. Supporting the team.
I hope that the club continues to grow under the stewardship of Koeman, the results pleasing, so fans who have turned to the dark side can get back to what matters. Supporting the team. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 1

9:11am Thu 31 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

cpnhadock wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
Oh clever one..the same scouting network that found gaston ramirez and dani osvaldo yeah???
Well Ramirez confuses me - he periodically shows flashes of brilliance and then goes flat and then his agent cops a strop. I'm really not sure what is happening there

Osvaldo..... well I wonder how much of an influence for that signing came from Poch since he DID have Osvaldo at Espanyol before coming to us.
I think everyone would agree that, despite the flashes of brilliance we saw from Osvaldo, his behaviour was bang out of order and he deserved everything he got. Perhaps if he had been of the same standard as Suarez it might have been a slightly different story (redemption through goals)
you forgot to mention whathisface - the norwegian who came over and did stuff all.

ok so they might not have always got it right. but again, so what? they made those signings and it didn't stop us finishing 8th did it?
do you honestly think the club have given up? Do you think anyone at the club is enjoying this summer any more than the fans?

look - this summer is going to go down in football history but there are loads of positives if you look for them. we'll be fine - the club IS bigger than the players and the club will survive. Not only that, there are clear signs that the club is working bloody hard to get new players in.

I was really upset after Poch left. and by that I mean I properly threw the toys out of the cot and sulked for days. but then I realised that this was all kind of inevitable after Cortese left and that the club would have known and would have been working to make it right.

Right now what everyone at the club needs is us behind them, giving them all our support and encouragement. Not petulant demands for information and armchair FIFA players spouting ***** about what they should be doing.
Really well said! Completely agree!

Tbh - I have been devastated at seeing all if our favourites/best leave. But in reality that is the cycle of events and when players don't want to be there anymore it can be impossible to keep them/get them playing. If you look back at when cough went to Leeds - the team didn't want to play for the new manager...... It failed.


If I look at what the board are doing - it doesn't fill me with comfort - but it cannot be easy to see so many players all peak at the same time and creates massive demand for their services. I am sure I would not be better equipped in the least to take these very tough decisions - I think sfc have got amazing fees for whom we have sold!!


We should be very proud of our academy - it is a critical component of our business model. We do not have a philanthropist any longer - we have his legacy - financial stability and structured and sustainable investment from our academy.



Bertrand is actually a great signing in my opinion! We have a very promising youngster in targett competing with a lad that was trusted with a champions league final!!


More signings needed but I am a believer!!!
Even if you don't like this signing - think about the following things:


We are in the prem.
We have state of art facilities.
We have a great stadium.
We have no debt (that I am aware of).
Life could be a lot worse!

Coyr&ws!
YOU'RE RIGHT ... life could be a lot worse.

BUT it could have been so different.

TO THE SFC BOARD and CHAIRMAN - Must do better - and I am sure despite any denials they know and we know THEY CAN DO A LOT BETTER than what we have witnessed over the last few months.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS - look forward to new signings TODAY and TOMORROW for a battling Season ahead to try and make TOP TEN and FIGHT the spectre of RELEGATION. COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]cpnhadock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary.[/p][/quote]Oh clever one..the same scouting network that found gaston ramirez and dani osvaldo yeah???[/p][/quote]Well Ramirez confuses me - he periodically shows flashes of brilliance and then goes flat and then his agent cops a strop. I'm really not sure what is happening there Osvaldo..... well I wonder how much of an influence for that signing came from Poch since he DID have Osvaldo at Espanyol before coming to us. I think everyone would agree that, despite the flashes of brilliance we saw from Osvaldo, his behaviour was bang out of order and he deserved everything he got. Perhaps if he had been of the same standard as Suarez it might have been a slightly different story (redemption through goals) you forgot to mention whathisface - the norwegian who came over and did stuff all. ok so they might not have always got it right. but again, so what? they made those signings and it didn't stop us finishing 8th did it? do you honestly think the club have given up? Do you think anyone at the club is enjoying this summer any more than the fans? look - this summer is going to go down in football history but there are loads of positives if you look for them. we'll be fine - the club IS bigger than the players and the club will survive. Not only that, there are clear signs that the club is working bloody hard to get new players in. I was really upset after Poch left. and by that I mean I properly threw the toys out of the cot and sulked for days. but then I realised that this was all kind of inevitable after Cortese left and that the club would have known and would have been working to make it right. Right now what everyone at the club needs is us behind them, giving them all our support and encouragement. Not petulant demands for information and armchair FIFA players spouting ***** about what they should be doing.[/p][/quote]Really well said! Completely agree! Tbh - I have been devastated at seeing all if our favourites/best leave. But in reality that is the cycle of events and when players don't want to be there anymore it can be impossible to keep them/get them playing. If you look back at when cough went to Leeds - the team didn't want to play for the new manager...... It failed. If I look at what the board are doing - it doesn't fill me with comfort - but it cannot be easy to see so many players all peak at the same time and creates massive demand for their services. I am sure I would not be better equipped in the least to take these very tough decisions - I think sfc have got amazing fees for whom we have sold!! We should be very proud of our academy - it is a critical component of our business model. We do not have a philanthropist any longer - we have his legacy - financial stability and structured and sustainable investment from our academy. Bertrand is actually a great signing in my opinion! We have a very promising youngster in targett competing with a lad that was trusted with a champions league final!! More signings needed but I am a believer!!! Even if you don't like this signing - think about the following things: We are in the prem. We have state of art facilities. We have a great stadium. We have no debt (that I am aware of). Life could be a lot worse! Coyr&ws![/p][/quote]YOU'RE RIGHT ... life could be a lot worse. BUT it could have been so different. TO THE SFC BOARD and CHAIRMAN - Must do better - and I am sure despite any denials they know and we know THEY CAN DO A LOT BETTER than what we have witnessed over the last few months. ONWARDS AND UPWARDS - look forward to new signings TODAY and TOMORROW for a battling Season ahead to try and make TOP TEN and FIGHT the spectre of RELEGATION. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: -1

9:12am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.
And mightily confused you seem to be. Is there just one clear thought process left available to you in your mental fug.
[quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]From 8th to 17th! I didn’t actually expect top 4 even if we kept everyone but aren’t you a bit perplexed by the amount of players sold and the relative inactivity in new players in? Rebuild for what, another pillaging? I reserve the right to be confused.[/p][/quote]And mightily confused you seem to be. Is there just one clear thought process left available to you in your mental fug. jls217
  • Score: 0

9:15am Thu 31 Jul 14

milton road says...

Like the sound of this in the Daily Mirror



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Like the sound of this in the Daily Mirror Jul 30, 2014 21:27 By Alex Crook The Argentinean international left-back is the subject of a £10m bid while the Algerian midfielder has been offered on a season-long loan 77 Shares Share Tweet +1 Email AFP/Getty Double trouble: Both Rojo and Taider could join soon with Biabiany also being eyed Southampton are close to completing a double swoop for Argentina World Cup star Marcos Rojo and Inter Milan midfielder Saphir Taider. http://www.mirror.co .uk/sport/football/t ransfer-news/southam pton-closing-marcos- rojo-saphir-3939148# ixzz3921e5Pfb Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook Rojo will come for 10 million and Taider on loan exchange for Osvaldo. Will it happen who knows but looks good if it does sends out a statement. milton road
  • Score: 3

9:15am Thu 31 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I hope that the club continues to grow under the stewardship of Koeman, the results pleasing, so fans who have turned to the dark side can get back to what matters. Supporting the team.
KOEMAN is CLASS - We have fantastic Support especially OUR FAMOUS AWAY SQUAD ....

..... SO FIGHT THROUGH for what will be a very interesting Season ahead.

NEWS ON CB NEEDED !! COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I hope that the club continues to grow under the stewardship of Koeman, the results pleasing, so fans who have turned to the dark side can get back to what matters. Supporting the team.[/p][/quote]KOEMAN is CLASS - We have fantastic Support especially OUR FAMOUS AWAY SQUAD .... ..... SO FIGHT THROUGH for what will be a very interesting Season ahead. NEWS ON CB NEEDED !! COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 3

9:18am Thu 31 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

jls217 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
And also given the mindset of those who set this ball rolling unavoidable too. Maybe we should stop dealing with then and be a little more aware of the now eh!?
We stared over the abyss and stepped back!
Yeah,know what you're saying jls,but I just can't believe that Cortese would have been daft enough to let us do a Leeds though.
My own view is that a clash of personalities led to all of this,and all the power that had been bestowed on NC by ML,which,sanctioned by ML's finance might have led to what we all felt was achievable this time last year,disappeared with ML's passing,and unfortunately KL didn't share the same ambition,and pulled the plug,leading to the departure of all those who had "bought in" to the plan.
Personally,I don't share the view of some other posters,that this is all down to the "Evil Don" though,I can't buy that one at all,so I just accept that this is all a result of boardroom politics,the truth of which may not(if ever) come out,until the current furore has long abated.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary.[/p][/quote]And also given the mindset of those who set this ball rolling unavoidable too. Maybe we should stop dealing with then and be a little more aware of the now eh!? We stared over the abyss and stepped back![/p][/quote]Yeah,know what you're saying jls,but I just can't believe that Cortese would have been daft enough to let us do a Leeds though. My own view is that a clash of personalities led to all of this,and all the power that had been bestowed on NC by ML,which,sanctioned by ML's finance might have led to what we all felt was achievable this time last year,disappeared with ML's passing,and unfortunately KL didn't share the same ambition,and pulled the plug,leading to the departure of all those who had "bought in" to the plan. Personally,I don't share the view of some other posters,that this is all down to the "Evil Don" though,I can't buy that one at all,so I just accept that this is all a result of boardroom politics,the truth of which may not(if ever) come out,until the current furore has long abated. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -1

9:19am Thu 31 Jul 14

cotswoldsaint says...

According to reports in the Daily Express, Jack Cork is the number 1 target for WBA. Whatever the truth or otherwise of such media speculation, I implore the club to take positive action to maintain Cork's continued commitment to Saints rather than wait until the player announces his head is already in the west Midlands and he's seen coming out of the Hawthorns. Why he'd want to play for The Baggies under an unknown manager rather than a top international manager at Saints, is difficult to fathom ( I'd hazard a guess at more money) but we need to nip these rumours in the bud asap.
On another point, has the Echo asked exactly why Ralph met Tottenham officials in Toronto? If it wasn't to discuss player sales then what was on the agenda? No doubt it will be confidential but no harm in asking.
According to reports in the Daily Express, Jack Cork is the number 1 target for WBA. Whatever the truth or otherwise of such media speculation, I implore the club to take positive action to maintain Cork's continued commitment to Saints rather than wait until the player announces his head is already in the west Midlands and he's seen coming out of the Hawthorns. Why he'd want to play for The Baggies under an unknown manager rather than a top international manager at Saints, is difficult to fathom ( I'd hazard a guess at more money) but we need to nip these rumours in the bud asap. On another point, has the Echo asked exactly why Ralph met Tottenham officials in Toronto? If it wasn't to discuss player sales then what was on the agenda? No doubt it will be confidential but no harm in asking. cotswoldsaint
  • Score: 1

9:21am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
Loan signings - hardly part of a longer-term plan and I'm sorry but Bertrand does not represent progression. This is a desperate signing - the Lady is not impressed! Lies, you can surely do better, little boy!
Have you ever in your misbegotten life had a positive thought, a pleasant moment, the warmth of the sun on your face. You are one of the worst dripping taps on this forum.
Bertrand, especially on a try before you buy scheme is a very shrew bit of business - he is no Ashley Cole at this point but if Rambo sees he can turn him into something even close he will be ours. I'm hoping he's here to stay. Chelski fans think highly of him and can't understand that he's up for grabs. Liverpool want him but for the time being at least we've beaten them to the punch. Villa didn't want to send him back either - not too much desperate there then eh!
I've already pre-written your reply in my head so no point wasting your time putting it on here - you'd only be confirming what we're thinking. Go on Prozac I understand it helps.
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: Loan signings - hardly part of a longer-term plan and I'm sorry but Bertrand does not represent progression. This is a desperate signing - the Lady is not impressed! Lies, you can surely do better, little boy![/p][/quote]Have you ever in your misbegotten life had a positive thought, a pleasant moment, the warmth of the sun on your face. You are one of the worst dripping taps on this forum. Bertrand, especially on a try before you buy scheme is a very shrew bit of business - he is no Ashley Cole at this point but if Rambo sees he can turn him into something even close he will be ours. I'm hoping he's here to stay. Chelski fans think highly of him and can't understand that he's up for grabs. Liverpool want him but for the time being at least we've beaten them to the punch. Villa didn't want to send him back either - not too much desperate there then eh! I've already pre-written your reply in my head so no point wasting your time putting it on here - you'd only be confirming what we're thinking. Go on Prozac I understand it helps. jls217
  • Score: 7

9:24am Thu 31 Jul 14

Confucious says...

Good - a few signings will get us all looking forward to good days with renewed hope and not back on the bad days we've had recently.
Good - a few signings will get us all looking forward to good days with renewed hope and not back on the bad days we've had recently. Confucious
  • Score: 5

9:27am Thu 31 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

.... And that ladies and gentlemen was the JLS 217 Show, he'll be back again tomorrow ramming his opinions down our throats and replying personally to every post that he disagrees with.

JLS 217 is widely accepted as the most prolific poster on this board after Osprey went into semi retirement, he'll tell you straight if he thinks you are wrong, no messing, and lets face it most of us are very wrong with our opinions.

You'll get his thumbs down dis-approval even if he cannot be bothered to read your post, because he knows you'll be spouting rubbish that he don't agree with.

Looking forward for the next Saints story on here so we can all be put in our place by JLS 217.
.... And that ladies and gentlemen was the JLS 217 Show, he'll be back again tomorrow ramming his opinions down our throats and replying personally to every post that he disagrees with. JLS 217 is widely accepted as the most prolific poster on this board after Osprey went into semi retirement, he'll tell you straight if he thinks you are wrong, no messing, and lets face it most of us are very wrong with our opinions. You'll get his thumbs down dis-approval even if he cannot be bothered to read your post, because he knows you'll be spouting rubbish that he don't agree with. Looking forward for the next Saints story on here so we can all be put in our place by JLS 217. costa gaz
  • Score: -1

9:28am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

MiltonRoad wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
I have been following footy for more years than I can remember and I have never seen a club have such negative media coverage, this player not happy, this player handed in a transfer request, the exodus continues etc etc etc.

Either something is very wrong at the club' which I don't believe is the case, the CV of the new manager far outstrips the previous guy why would he of risked his reputation, new training facility etc etc.

It seems far more sensible that this unrest is being orchestrated by an ex employee of the club, could it be NC upset that he had his power well and truly rained in, I don't have any substance for my argument other than what has/is transpiring doesn't make any sense.

Before I get a barrage of abuse from the mindless section I purely put this out for debate and to seek other sensible supporters views.
I think your suspicions are spot on. Hell hath no fury like an Italian banker scorned.
No debate from me. Just drinking in all the info. Your version makes as much sense as anything else put forward. Pretty sure the fella (NC) has the desire and wherewithal to cast a spell upon us if should wish to.

Food for thought - thanks.
[quote][p][bold]MiltonRoad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: I have been following footy for more years than I can remember and I have never seen a club have such negative media coverage, this player not happy, this player handed in a transfer request, the exodus continues etc etc etc. Either something is very wrong at the club' which I don't believe is the case, the CV of the new manager far outstrips the previous guy why would he of risked his reputation, new training facility etc etc. It seems far more sensible that this unrest is being orchestrated by an ex employee of the club, could it be NC upset that he had his power well and truly rained in, I don't have any substance for my argument other than what has/is transpiring doesn't make any sense. Before I get a barrage of abuse from the mindless section I purely put this out for debate and to seek other sensible supporters views.[/p][/quote]I think your suspicions are spot on. Hell hath no fury like an Italian banker scorned.[/p][/quote]No debate from me. Just drinking in all the info. Your version makes as much sense as anything else put forward. Pretty sure the fella (NC) has the desire and wherewithal to cast a spell upon us if should wish to. Food for thought - thanks. jls217
  • Score: 1

9:30am Thu 31 Jul 14

bathsaints says...

Not sure why so many people seem to think this is a negative move. Last season to start the season we had Luke Shaw and Danny Fox at left back..this season we'll start with Matt Targett (ready made replacement for Shaw) and Bertrand (who is English, rated and a million times better than Fox) surely that is good business. Loan players often have something to prove and so I don't think we can question whether or not he'll give it his all and with an option to buy if it works out it would seem win win. We do need to strengthen with quality in many other areas as well as retain Cork and if possible Morgan (if he will actually play) but Everton proved highly asuccessful last year playing the loan market and then have signed one of those outstanding players this summer for a big fee!...I am frustrated at all that has been going on but lets stay behind the team and the manager and those who DO want to play for us...
Not sure why so many people seem to think this is a negative move. Last season to start the season we had Luke Shaw and Danny Fox at left back..this season we'll start with Matt Targett (ready made replacement for Shaw) and Bertrand (who is English, rated and a million times better than Fox) surely that is good business. Loan players often have something to prove and so I don't think we can question whether or not he'll give it his all and with an option to buy if it works out it would seem win win. We do need to strengthen with quality in many other areas as well as retain Cork and if possible Morgan (if he will actually play) but Everton proved highly asuccessful last year playing the loan market and then have signed one of those outstanding players this summer for a big fee!...I am frustrated at all that has been going on but lets stay behind the team and the manager and those who DO want to play for us... bathsaints
  • Score: 2

9:32am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

This is Southampton and we are the Saints wrote:
deepheat wrote:
This will cheer you up.

Daily Mail

"Ryan Bertrand has been on Liverpool’s radar for more than 12 months and they came close to sign him in the January window but he ultimately ended up joining Aston Villa on loan. Chelsea are reluctant to sell to title rival and would want £8million for him"

Daily Mirror Jul 30, 2014 21:27

"Southampton closing in on Marcos Rojo and Saphir Taider in eye-catching double swoop

Boss Ronald Koeman has offered Sporting Lisbon £10m for versatile Rojo who can play as a centre back or left back.

Saints have also been offered Algerian international Taider on a season's loan as part of bad boy Dani Osvaldo's switch to the Serie A giants.

"Koeman has also tabled a bid for Parma winger Jonathan Biabiany, but faces competition from West Brom for the Frenchman's signature."
Saphir Taider has said he will not join southampton and also told to up are bid to £16m for Marcos so that's not going to happen! Plus we don't need another LB after are new loan sighning?
That's a shame. Maybe another cheeky little approach for Rojo might not be out of the question. Back to the drawing board then eh?
[quote][p][bold]This is Southampton and we are the Saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: This will cheer you up. Daily Mail "Ryan Bertrand has been on Liverpool’s radar for more than 12 months and they came close to sign him in the January window but he ultimately ended up joining Aston Villa on loan. Chelsea are reluctant to sell to title rival and would want £8million for him" Daily Mirror Jul 30, 2014 21:27 "Southampton closing in on Marcos Rojo and Saphir Taider in eye-catching double swoop Boss Ronald Koeman has offered Sporting Lisbon £10m for versatile Rojo who can play as a centre back or left back. Saints have also been offered Algerian international Taider on a season's loan as part of bad boy Dani Osvaldo's switch to the Serie A giants. "Koeman has also tabled a bid for Parma winger Jonathan Biabiany, but faces competition from West Brom for the Frenchman's signature."[/p][/quote]Saphir Taider has said he will not join southampton and also told to up are bid to £16m for Marcos so that's not going to happen! Plus we don't need another LB after are new loan sighning?[/p][/quote]That's a shame. Maybe another cheeky little approach for Rojo might not be out of the question. Back to the drawing board then eh? jls217
  • Score: -1

9:34am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

WobblyCat wrote:
Graham, North of Watford wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??
Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?
Wobblycat

You are a Rumpleteaser aren't you. Go and have a read of that article that has been mentioned on many of the forums today about the Saint's inability to add more than 4% to their wages bill.

It clearly gives a different light on our need to sell off our Players with the biggest wage demands and buy in less glamourous ones to match the Financial Fair Play rules that only apply to the bottom half of the Premiership


Expect to see more players in at around £5m rather than £10m
What the chuff is a rumpleteaser? Haven't read the aforementioned article, does it say that’s all we can spend any more on wages? Wasn’t fair play meant to reign in the big boys? I come on here to moan about things I don’t know enough to comment on, don’t try and reason with me sonny!
Yeah!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Graham, North of Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: 90 million under the mattress and we’re signing players on loan! I’m failing to spot the master plan! Anyone for cricket??[/p][/quote]Certainly fits in with the max out,minimum in and sell theory doesn't it..still,what do I know?[/p][/quote]Wobblycat You are a Rumpleteaser aren't you. Go and have a read of that article that has been mentioned on many of the forums today about the Saint's inability to add more than 4% to their wages bill. It clearly gives a different light on our need to sell off our Players with the biggest wage demands and buy in less glamourous ones to match the Financial Fair Play rules that only apply to the bottom half of the Premiership Expect to see more players in at around £5m rather than £10m[/p][/quote]What the chuff is a rumpleteaser? Haven't read the aforementioned article, does it say that’s all we can spend any more on wages? Wasn’t fair play meant to reign in the big boys? I come on here to moan about things I don’t know enough to comment on, don’t try and reason with me sonny![/p][/quote]Yeah!!!!!!! jls217
  • Score: -1

9:37am Thu 31 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

costa gaz wrote:
.... And that ladies and gentlemen was the JLS 217 Show, he'll be back again tomorrow ramming his opinions down our throats and replying personally to every post that he disagrees with.

JLS 217 is widely accepted as the most prolific poster on this board after Osprey went into semi retirement, he'll tell you straight if he thinks you are wrong, no messing, and lets face it most of us are very wrong with our opinions.

You'll get his thumbs down dis-approval even if he cannot be bothered to read your post, because he knows you'll be spouting rubbish that he don't agree with.

Looking forward for the next Saints story on here so we can all be put in our place by JLS 217.
SPOT ON - it was harsh on numpty girl - she was expressing genuine disappointment and looking forward to a marquee signing.

At this stage of the game - I am pleased to get QUALITY through the door -because I think it you get KING RON a FIGHTING CHANCE - he has the experience and will deliver.

Truthfully we have all lowered our expectations for the Season ahead. I do think is was a real shame that Ralph accepted every good offer he had. I am sure that if a robust offer came in for JROD and MS - they would be gone.

Ralph has NO THOUGHT for replacements - it's almost as if he says to himself - that's some-one else's job and rings Katherina beaming tot tell her how much money he has made. HE WILL LEARN - we just all hope that is is sooner rather than later.

LOOKING FORWARD TO THE GAME TONIGHT. COYR+WS
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: .... And that ladies and gentlemen was the JLS 217 Show, he'll be back again tomorrow ramming his opinions down our throats and replying personally to every post that he disagrees with. JLS 217 is widely accepted as the most prolific poster on this board after Osprey went into semi retirement, he'll tell you straight if he thinks you are wrong, no messing, and lets face it most of us are very wrong with our opinions. You'll get his thumbs down dis-approval even if he cannot be bothered to read your post, because he knows you'll be spouting rubbish that he don't agree with. Looking forward for the next Saints story on here so we can all be put in our place by JLS 217.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON - it was harsh on numpty girl - she was expressing genuine disappointment and looking forward to a marquee signing. At this stage of the game - I am pleased to get QUALITY through the door -because I think it you get KING RON a FIGHTING CHANCE - he has the experience and will deliver. Truthfully we have all lowered our expectations for the Season ahead. I do think is was a real shame that Ralph accepted every good offer he had. I am sure that if a robust offer came in for JROD and MS - they would be gone. Ralph has NO THOUGHT for replacements - it's almost as if he says to himself - that's some-one else's job and rings Katherina beaming tot tell her how much money he has made. HE WILL LEARN - we just all hope that is is sooner rather than later. LOOKING FORWARD TO THE GAME TONIGHT. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 2

9:40am Thu 31 Jul 14

Alicesdad says...

I like him, even before I met him I liked him, you hate him compared to how much I like him.
I like him, even before I met him I liked him, you hate him compared to how much I like him. Alicesdad
  • Score: -3

9:41am Thu 31 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fritzer wrote:
BumperSaint wrote:
Great move. Even though he's good, he's not too good to the point Matt Target won't get a game...... Should be good competition at left back and gives Targett a season to blood into the prem before taking the world by storm like shaw did!!
And then a move to the BIG SIX !!!!
SPOT ON .. We really must come up with a strategy and pretty fast to keep our Players happy including paying them decent amount of money which is the market rate for a Club in the Premiership.

Everton manage it and have the players on side fighting for the CL with only a slightly larger stadium size.

NO MORE benevolent gestures by the Board selling talismen goal scorers and players that can do a job for this club.

NO MORE chasing large sums of money and then struggling to fill that gap. Get the Target Player in first.
The problem in t'south is that kids down here are shallower, parents down here do not have a local community loyalty and simply buy their kids instant success with a replica Mufco kit…. yet when the occasion arises we are capable of being every bit as big as some top six clubs attendance wise….

JPT a nothing trophy would have seen 75.000 plus had we the tickets, the bigger home games would add 10.000 to the gate and our own mini thetre of dreams would and should be a glorious atmospheric day out which will swing the mood enabling thousands more to be captured for a lifetime, moreover if you are playing in one of the best stadiums in the country with a big following weeek in and out, with significantly higher wages than we can offer now the benefits are obvious.

When Kevin Keegan left us in 83 our mean average gates 23.000 were higher than Newcastle 18,000…however once that city went on a roll, well you see for yourself..

I remember being at a cold stamford bridge back in the late 80's and there were 9000 there for an evening div 1 and 2000 were us!

Trust me we HAVE to extend St Mary's in order to fill it with new blood and fulfill our potential…..

As a footnote BHA were playing in front of 7000 a few years ago..in two years they will be bigger than us…we are taking 800, make SFC the South's huge club and we would be taking 8.000…in this day and age people want instant gratification, this can only be combated by a fierce tribal loyalty and the stadium, academy, and massive regional marketing are all part of the same script.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fritzer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BumperSaint[/bold] wrote: Great move. Even though he's good, he's not too good to the point Matt Target won't get a game...... Should be good competition at left back and gives Targett a season to blood into the prem before taking the world by storm like shaw did!![/p][/quote]And then a move to the BIG SIX !!!![/p][/quote]SPOT ON .. We really must come up with a strategy and pretty fast to keep our Players happy including paying them decent amount of money which is the market rate for a Club in the Premiership. Everton manage it and have the players on side fighting for the CL with only a slightly larger stadium size. NO MORE benevolent gestures by the Board selling talismen goal scorers and players that can do a job for this club. NO MORE chasing large sums of money and then struggling to fill that gap. Get the Target Player in first.[/p][/quote]The problem in t'south is that kids down here are shallower, parents down here do not have a local community loyalty and simply buy their kids instant success with a replica Mufco kit…. yet when the occasion arises we are capable of being every bit as big as some top six clubs attendance wise…. JPT a nothing trophy would have seen 75.000 plus had we the tickets, the bigger home games would add 10.000 to the gate and our own mini thetre of dreams would and should be a glorious atmospheric day out which will swing the mood enabling thousands more to be captured for a lifetime, moreover if you are playing in one of the best stadiums in the country with a big following weeek in and out, with significantly higher wages than we can offer now the benefits are obvious. When Kevin Keegan left us in 83 our mean average gates 23.000 were higher than Newcastle 18,000…however once that city went on a roll, well you see for yourself.. I remember being at a cold stamford bridge back in the late 80's and there were 9000 there for an evening div 1 and 2000 were us! Trust me we HAVE to extend St Mary's in order to fill it with new blood and fulfill our potential….. As a footnote BHA were playing in front of 7000 a few years ago..in two years they will be bigger than us…we are taking 800, make SFC the South's huge club and we would be taking 8.000…in this day and age people want instant gratification, this can only be combated by a fierce tribal loyalty and the stadium, academy, and massive regional marketing are all part of the same script. warrens 76
  • Score: 5

9:42am Thu 31 Jul 14

notaclue says...

cotswoldsaint wrote:
According to reports in the Daily Express, Jack Cork is the number 1 target for WBA. Whatever the truth or otherwise of such media speculation, I implore the club to take positive action to maintain Cork's continued commitment to Saints rather than wait until the player announces his head is already in the west Midlands and he's seen coming out of the Hawthorns. Why he'd want to play for The Baggies under an unknown manager rather than a top international manager at Saints, is difficult to fathom ( I'd hazard a guess at more money) but we need to nip these rumours in the bud asap.
On another point, has the Echo asked exactly why Ralph met Tottenham officials in Toronto? If it wasn't to discuss player sales then what was on the agenda? No doubt it will be confidential but no harm in asking.
Corky has played with Bertrand at Chelski, Bournemouth, Team GB, England under 21, they have been mates since they were kids.

Ralph said he categorically didn't talk about player sales with Spurs in Toronto he was there to learn about their corporate ties with a local team over there. Listen to the Adam Blackmore interview.
[quote][p][bold]cotswoldsaint[/bold] wrote: According to reports in the Daily Express, Jack Cork is the number 1 target for WBA. Whatever the truth or otherwise of such media speculation, I implore the club to take positive action to maintain Cork's continued commitment to Saints rather than wait until the player announces his head is already in the west Midlands and he's seen coming out of the Hawthorns. Why he'd want to play for The Baggies under an unknown manager rather than a top international manager at Saints, is difficult to fathom ( I'd hazard a guess at more money) but we need to nip these rumours in the bud asap. On another point, has the Echo asked exactly why Ralph met Tottenham officials in Toronto? If it wasn't to discuss player sales then what was on the agenda? No doubt it will be confidential but no harm in asking.[/p][/quote]Corky has played with Bertrand at Chelski, Bournemouth, Team GB, England under 21, they have been mates since they were kids. Ralph said he categorically didn't talk about player sales with Spurs in Toronto he was there to learn about their corporate ties with a local team over there. Listen to the Adam Blackmore interview. notaclue
  • Score: 1

9:42am Thu 31 Jul 14

st.ranger says...

He played for Checlski against us and Nate Clyne took him apart, but he is miles better than Foxx was, and he could develop with the right team - obviously not Chelsea, just as it wasn't for Cork who they also under-rated.
He played for Checlski against us and Nate Clyne took him apart, but he is miles better than Foxx was, and he could develop with the right team - obviously not Chelsea, just as it wasn't for Cork who they also under-rated. st.ranger
  • Score: 3

9:52am Thu 31 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fritzer wrote:
BumperSaint wrote:
Great move. Even though he's good, he's not too good to the point Matt Target won't get a game...... Should be good competition at left back and gives Targett a season to blood into the prem before taking the world by storm like shaw did!!
And then a move to the BIG SIX !!!!
SPOT ON .. We really must come up with a strategy and pretty fast to keep our Players happy including paying them decent amount of money which is the market rate for a Club in the Premiership.

Everton manage it and have the players on side fighting for the CL with only a slightly larger stadium size.

NO MORE benevolent gestures by the Board selling talismen goal scorers and players that can do a job for this club.

NO MORE chasing large sums of money and then struggling to fill that gap. Get the Target Player in first.
The problem in t'south is that kids down here are shallower, parents down here do not have a local community loyalty and simply buy their kids instant success with a replica Mufco kit…. yet when the occasion arises we are capable of being every bit as big as some top six clubs attendance wise….

JPT a nothing trophy would have seen 75.000 plus had we the tickets, the bigger home games would add 10.000 to the gate and our own mini thetre of dreams would and should be a glorious atmospheric day out which will swing the mood enabling thousands more to be captured for a lifetime, moreover if you are playing in one of the best stadiums in the country with a big following weeek in and out, with significantly higher wages than we can offer now the benefits are obvious.

When Kevin Keegan left us in 83 our mean average gates 23.000 were higher than Newcastle 18,000…however once that city went on a roll, well you see for yourself..

I remember being at a cold stamford bridge back in the late 80's and there were 9000 there for an evening div 1 and 2000 were us!

Trust me we HAVE to extend St Mary's in order to fill it with new blood and fulfill our potential…..

As a footnote BHA were playing in front of 7000 a few years ago..in two years they will be bigger than us…we are taking 800, make SFC the South's huge club and we would be taking 8.000…in this day and age people want instant gratification, this can only be combated by a fierce tribal loyalty and the stadium, academy, and massive regional marketing are all part of the same script.
Everton, one of the ‘Big Five’ averaged 20,310 in 1983 and 19,288 in 1984.
Arsenal, also in the ‘Big Five’, 25,589 in 1982 and 24,154 in 1983.
Spurs, further ‘Big Five’, 20,859 in 1986.

look at them now!
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fritzer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BumperSaint[/bold] wrote: Great move. Even though he's good, he's not too good to the point Matt Target won't get a game...... Should be good competition at left back and gives Targett a season to blood into the prem before taking the world by storm like shaw did!![/p][/quote]And then a move to the BIG SIX !!!![/p][/quote]SPOT ON .. We really must come up with a strategy and pretty fast to keep our Players happy including paying them decent amount of money which is the market rate for a Club in the Premiership. Everton manage it and have the players on side fighting for the CL with only a slightly larger stadium size. NO MORE benevolent gestures by the Board selling talismen goal scorers and players that can do a job for this club. NO MORE chasing large sums of money and then struggling to fill that gap. Get the Target Player in first.[/p][/quote]The problem in t'south is that kids down here are shallower, parents down here do not have a local community loyalty and simply buy their kids instant success with a replica Mufco kit…. yet when the occasion arises we are capable of being every bit as big as some top six clubs attendance wise…. JPT a nothing trophy would have seen 75.000 plus had we the tickets, the bigger home games would add 10.000 to the gate and our own mini thetre of dreams would and should be a glorious atmospheric day out which will swing the mood enabling thousands more to be captured for a lifetime, moreover if you are playing in one of the best stadiums in the country with a big following weeek in and out, with significantly higher wages than we can offer now the benefits are obvious. When Kevin Keegan left us in 83 our mean average gates 23.000 were higher than Newcastle 18,000…however once that city went on a roll, well you see for yourself.. I remember being at a cold stamford bridge back in the late 80's and there were 9000 there for an evening div 1 and 2000 were us! Trust me we HAVE to extend St Mary's in order to fill it with new blood and fulfill our potential….. As a footnote BHA were playing in front of 7000 a few years ago..in two years they will be bigger than us…we are taking 800, make SFC the South's huge club and we would be taking 8.000…in this day and age people want instant gratification, this can only be combated by a fierce tribal loyalty and the stadium, academy, and massive regional marketing are all part of the same script.[/p][/quote]Everton, one of the ‘Big Five’ averaged 20,310 in 1983 and 19,288 in 1984. Arsenal, also in the ‘Big Five’, 25,589 in 1982 and 24,154 in 1983. Spurs, further ‘Big Five’, 20,859 in 1986. look at them now! warrens 76
  • Score: 1

9:55am Thu 31 Jul 14

AussieSaintTim says...

Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
Knob
[quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]Knob AussieSaintTim
  • Score: 3

9:56am Thu 31 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

cotswoldsaint wrote:
According to reports in the Daily Express, Jack Cork is the number 1 target for WBA. Whatever the truth or otherwise of such media speculation, I implore the club to take positive action to maintain Cork's continued commitment to Saints rather than wait until the player announces his head is already in the west Midlands and he's seen coming out of the Hawthorns. Why he'd want to play for The Baggies under an unknown manager rather than a top international manager at Saints, is difficult to fathom ( I'd hazard a guess at more money) but we need to nip these rumours in the bud asap.
On another point, has the Echo asked exactly why Ralph met Tottenham officials in Toronto? If it wasn't to discuss player sales then what was on the agenda? No doubt it will be confidential but no harm in asking.
I'd give Jack the new deal asap and offer him the captains armband as well.
He might then feel more appreciated than he has since he's been here and we'd need to come up with a new song for him!!
COYR FOADP
[quote][p][bold]cotswoldsaint[/bold] wrote: According to reports in the Daily Express, Jack Cork is the number 1 target for WBA. Whatever the truth or otherwise of such media speculation, I implore the club to take positive action to maintain Cork's continued commitment to Saints rather than wait until the player announces his head is already in the west Midlands and he's seen coming out of the Hawthorns. Why he'd want to play for The Baggies under an unknown manager rather than a top international manager at Saints, is difficult to fathom ( I'd hazard a guess at more money) but we need to nip these rumours in the bud asap. On another point, has the Echo asked exactly why Ralph met Tottenham officials in Toronto? If it wasn't to discuss player sales then what was on the agenda? No doubt it will be confidential but no harm in asking.[/p][/quote]I'd give Jack the new deal asap and offer him the captains armband as well. He might then feel more appreciated than he has since he's been here and we'd need to come up with a new song for him!! COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 4

9:57am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
And also given the mindset of those who set this ball rolling unavoidable too. Maybe we should stop dealing with then and be a little more aware of the now eh!?
We stared over the abyss and stepped back!
Yeah,know what you're saying jls,but I just can't believe that Cortese would have been daft enough to let us do a Leeds though.
My own view is that a clash of personalities led to all of this,and all the power that had been bestowed on NC by ML,which,sanctioned by ML's finance might have led to what we all felt was achievable this time last year,disappeared with ML's passing,and unfortunately KL didn't share the same ambition,and pulled the plug,leading to the departure of all those who had "bought in" to the plan.
Personally,I don't share the view of some other posters,that this is all down to the "Evil Don" though,I can't buy that one at all,so I just accept that this is all a result of boardroom politics,the truth of which may not(if ever) come out,until the current furore has long abated.
And you've probably hit on to a healthy conclusion too. I'm bemused by it all I have to say. I thought NC had been sent by heaven - turns out he was just another suit after all. No idea what happened way back then, I only know the consequences have been devastating for us as a group of fans.

I am pleasantly surprised (notwithstanding the inevitable glitch along the road) that we appear to have got the ship's ballast back in place so quickly. I did fear at one point we may end up back in the championship. Groundless it seems. Can't see that happening, though if you ask me again at Christmas I might be little more emphatic about it.
I just want to look forward to something in the future and I now have that back. Hope you have as exciting a season as I'm going to have.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary.[/p][/quote]And also given the mindset of those who set this ball rolling unavoidable too. Maybe we should stop dealing with then and be a little more aware of the now eh!? We stared over the abyss and stepped back![/p][/quote]Yeah,know what you're saying jls,but I just can't believe that Cortese would have been daft enough to let us do a Leeds though. My own view is that a clash of personalities led to all of this,and all the power that had been bestowed on NC by ML,which,sanctioned by ML's finance might have led to what we all felt was achievable this time last year,disappeared with ML's passing,and unfortunately KL didn't share the same ambition,and pulled the plug,leading to the departure of all those who had "bought in" to the plan. Personally,I don't share the view of some other posters,that this is all down to the "Evil Don" though,I can't buy that one at all,so I just accept that this is all a result of boardroom politics,the truth of which may not(if ever) come out,until the current furore has long abated.[/p][/quote]And you've probably hit on to a healthy conclusion too. I'm bemused by it all I have to say. I thought NC had been sent by heaven - turns out he was just another suit after all. No idea what happened way back then, I only know the consequences have been devastating for us as a group of fans. I am pleasantly surprised (notwithstanding the inevitable glitch along the road) that we appear to have got the ship's ballast back in place so quickly. I did fear at one point we may end up back in the championship. Groundless it seems. Can't see that happening, though if you ask me again at Christmas I might be little more emphatic about it. I just want to look forward to something in the future and I now have that back. Hope you have as exciting a season as I'm going to have. jls217
  • Score: 0

10:17am Thu 31 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

warrens 76 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fritzer wrote:
BumperSaint wrote:
Great move. Even though he's good, he's not too good to the point Matt Target won't get a game...... Should be good competition at left back and gives Targett a season to blood into the prem before taking the world by storm like shaw did!!
And then a move to the BIG SIX !!!!
SPOT ON .. We really must come up with a strategy and pretty fast to keep our Players happy including paying them decent amount of money which is the market rate for a Club in the Premiership.

Everton manage it and have the players on side fighting for the CL with only a slightly larger stadium size.

NO MORE benevolent gestures by the Board selling talismen goal scorers and players that can do a job for this club.

NO MORE chasing large sums of money and then struggling to fill that gap. Get the Target Player in first.
The problem in t'south is that kids down here are shallower, parents down here do not have a local community loyalty and simply buy their kids instant success with a replica Mufco kit…. yet when the occasion arises we are capable of being every bit as big as some top six clubs attendance wise….

JPT a nothing trophy would have seen 75.000 plus had we the tickets, the bigger home games would add 10.000 to the gate and our own mini thetre of dreams would and should be a glorious atmospheric day out which will swing the mood enabling thousands more to be captured for a lifetime, moreover if you are playing in one of the best stadiums in the country with a big following weeek in and out, with significantly higher wages than we can offer now the benefits are obvious.

When Kevin Keegan left us in 83 our mean average gates 23.000 were higher than Newcastle 18,000…however once that city went on a roll, well you see for yourself..

I remember being at a cold stamford bridge back in the late 80's and there were 9000 there for an evening div 1 and 2000 were us!

Trust me we HAVE to extend St Mary's in order to fill it with new blood and fulfill our potential…..

As a footnote BHA were playing in front of 7000 a few years ago..in two years they will be bigger than us…we are taking 800, make SFC the South's huge club and we would be taking 8.000…in this day and age people want instant gratification, this can only be combated by a fierce tribal loyalty and the stadium, academy, and massive regional marketing are all part of the same script.
Everton, one of the ‘Big Five’ averaged 20,310 in 1983 and 19,288 in 1984.
Arsenal, also in the ‘Big Five’, 25,589 in 1982 and 24,154 in 1983.
Spurs, further ‘Big Five’, 20,859 in 1986.

look at them now!
True. I was always led to believe that 3 sides of St Mary's can be extended.
The Kingsland, Northam and Chapel which could add up to 16,000 to the 32 we already have.
If they extended one side each season over the next 3 years starting with 8,000 on the Kingsland it would enable the capacity to be increased gradually and the club would be able to monitor the attendances each season to see if we could build the fan base and fill the ground each season.
I'm with you on increasing the size of the stadium and feel we have such a large catchment area for recruiting new fans which could be enticed to the club with some obvious marketing.
40,000 would be a good benchmark to test the water for starters and also ensure we were the biggest club south of London.
If we comfortably fill the stadium then increase it again by another 4,000 over the next two seasons up to 48,000 which is likely to be big enough for some time whilst we hopefully stay in the PL and continue to rebuild and push on to start challenging the top clubs etc.
Another reason for doing it sooner rather than later is that our smelly neighbours to the east are well down the pecking order in the league pyramid and likely to be so for some time which could also enable us to market the fan base closer to them and the surrounding areas...which would be nice
COYR FOADP
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fritzer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BumperSaint[/bold] wrote: Great move. Even though he's good, he's not too good to the point Matt Target won't get a game...... Should be good competition at left back and gives Targett a season to blood into the prem before taking the world by storm like shaw did!![/p][/quote]And then a move to the BIG SIX !!!![/p][/quote]SPOT ON .. We really must come up with a strategy and pretty fast to keep our Players happy including paying them decent amount of money which is the market rate for a Club in the Premiership. Everton manage it and have the players on side fighting for the CL with only a slightly larger stadium size. NO MORE benevolent gestures by the Board selling talismen goal scorers and players that can do a job for this club. NO MORE chasing large sums of money and then struggling to fill that gap. Get the Target Player in first.[/p][/quote]The problem in t'south is that kids down here are shallower, parents down here do not have a local community loyalty and simply buy their kids instant success with a replica Mufco kit…. yet when the occasion arises we are capable of being every bit as big as some top six clubs attendance wise…. JPT a nothing trophy would have seen 75.000 plus had we the tickets, the bigger home games would add 10.000 to the gate and our own mini thetre of dreams would and should be a glorious atmospheric day out which will swing the mood enabling thousands more to be captured for a lifetime, moreover if you are playing in one of the best stadiums in the country with a big following weeek in and out, with significantly higher wages than we can offer now the benefits are obvious. When Kevin Keegan left us in 83 our mean average gates 23.000 were higher than Newcastle 18,000…however once that city went on a roll, well you see for yourself.. I remember being at a cold stamford bridge back in the late 80's and there were 9000 there for an evening div 1 and 2000 were us! Trust me we HAVE to extend St Mary's in order to fill it with new blood and fulfill our potential….. As a footnote BHA were playing in front of 7000 a few years ago..in two years they will be bigger than us…we are taking 800, make SFC the South's huge club and we would be taking 8.000…in this day and age people want instant gratification, this can only be combated by a fierce tribal loyalty and the stadium, academy, and massive regional marketing are all part of the same script.[/p][/quote]Everton, one of the ‘Big Five’ averaged 20,310 in 1983 and 19,288 in 1984. Arsenal, also in the ‘Big Five’, 25,589 in 1982 and 24,154 in 1983. Spurs, further ‘Big Five’, 20,859 in 1986. look at them now![/p][/quote]True. I was always led to believe that 3 sides of St Mary's can be extended. The Kingsland, Northam and Chapel which could add up to 16,000 to the 32 we already have. If they extended one side each season over the next 3 years starting with 8,000 on the Kingsland it would enable the capacity to be increased gradually and the club would be able to monitor the attendances each season to see if we could build the fan base and fill the ground each season. I'm with you on increasing the size of the stadium and feel we have such a large catchment area for recruiting new fans which could be enticed to the club with some obvious marketing. 40,000 would be a good benchmark to test the water for starters and also ensure we were the biggest club south of London. If we comfortably fill the stadium then increase it again by another 4,000 over the next two seasons up to 48,000 which is likely to be big enough for some time whilst we hopefully stay in the PL and continue to rebuild and push on to start challenging the top clubs etc. Another reason for doing it sooner rather than later is that our smelly neighbours to the east are well down the pecking order in the league pyramid and likely to be so for some time which could also enable us to market the fan base closer to them and the surrounding areas...which would be nice COYR FOADP J7junctionseven
  • Score: 1

10:22am Thu 31 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

jls217 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
WobblyCat wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
but hark!

what is that I hear?

the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought?


I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.
Yes problem solved!!
you do realise that there is actually no problem?

come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team.
we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium
we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country
we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin
We have a fair old amount to spend
Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild.

so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?
Because it was all so unnecessary.
And also given the mindset of those who set this ball rolling unavoidable too. Maybe we should stop dealing with then and be a little more aware of the now eh!?
We stared over the abyss and stepped back!
Yeah,know what you're saying jls,but I just can't believe that Cortese would have been daft enough to let us do a Leeds though.
My own view is that a clash of personalities led to all of this,and all the power that had been bestowed on NC by ML,which,sanctioned by ML's finance might have led to what we all felt was achievable this time last year,disappeared with ML's passing,and unfortunately KL didn't share the same ambition,and pulled the plug,leading to the departure of all those who had "bought in" to the plan.
Personally,I don't share the view of some other posters,that this is all down to the "Evil Don" though,I can't buy that one at all,so I just accept that this is all a result of boardroom politics,the truth of which may not(if ever) come out,until the current furore has long abated.
And you've probably hit on to a healthy conclusion too. I'm bemused by it all I have to say. I thought NC had been sent by heaven - turns out he was just another suit after all. No idea what happened way back then, I only know the consequences have been devastating for us as a group of fans.

I am pleasantly surprised (notwithstanding the inevitable glitch along the road) that we appear to have got the ship's ballast back in place so quickly. I did fear at one point we may end up back in the championship. Groundless it seems. Can't see that happening, though if you ask me again at Christmas I might be little more emphatic about it.
I just want to look forward to something in the future and I now have that back. Hope you have as exciting a season as I'm going to have.
Yeah,got no worries going forward really,quite looking forward to it,and I would love it,LOVE IT !!,if we do Liverpool at a Anfield again.
(Cue angry response from One foot in the grave. :0) lol)
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: but hark! what is that I hear? the deafening silence of the bedwetters as they realise that all their crying and moaning was for nought? I love you all. do try to keep your emotions off social media though, it's not good for you.[/p][/quote]Yes problem solved!![/p][/quote]you do realise that there is actually no problem? come the start of the season we will still be putting out a decent team. we will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium we will still have what is widely regarded as one of the best youth academies in the country we will still have the same recruitment team that identified the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin We have a fair old amount to spend Ok so it is disappointing that we have lost that great team from last season but so what? the club continues. And frankly ALL we need to do is be better than 3 other teams in the PL next season. we will rebuild. so please do explain why this is all such a disaster?[/p][/quote]Because it was all so unnecessary.[/p][/quote]And also given the mindset of those who set this ball rolling unavoidable too. Maybe we should stop dealing with then and be a little more aware of the now eh!? We stared over the abyss and stepped back![/p][/quote]Yeah,know what you're saying jls,but I just can't believe that Cortese would have been daft enough to let us do a Leeds though. My own view is that a clash of personalities led to all of this,and all the power that had been bestowed on NC by ML,which,sanctioned by ML's finance might have led to what we all felt was achievable this time last year,disappeared with ML's passing,and unfortunately KL didn't share the same ambition,and pulled the plug,leading to the departure of all those who had "bought in" to the plan. Personally,I don't share the view of some other posters,that this is all down to the "Evil Don" though,I can't buy that one at all,so I just accept that this is all a result of boardroom politics,the truth of which may not(if ever) come out,until the current furore has long abated.[/p][/quote]And you've probably hit on to a healthy conclusion too. I'm bemused by it all I have to say. I thought NC had been sent by heaven - turns out he was just another suit after all. No idea what happened way back then, I only know the consequences have been devastating for us as a group of fans. I am pleasantly surprised (notwithstanding the inevitable glitch along the road) that we appear to have got the ship's ballast back in place so quickly. I did fear at one point we may end up back in the championship. Groundless it seems. Can't see that happening, though if you ask me again at Christmas I might be little more emphatic about it. I just want to look forward to something in the future and I now have that back. Hope you have as exciting a season as I'm going to have.[/p][/quote]Yeah,got no worries going forward really,quite looking forward to it,and I would love it,LOVE IT !!,if we do Liverpool at a Anfield again. (Cue angry response from One foot in the grave. :0) lol) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

10:25am Thu 31 Jul 14

st.ranger says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
A bit off the subject, but I hope Clyne shows his quality, and convincingly chops down Shaw during one of his attacking runs up the wing and brings his ego crashing back down to reality.
If shaw ever gets fit enough to play for LVG's 'because we're worth it' mob..... fnagh! I must admit despite running up and down a lot last year he did sometimes looka bit florid and slowed down later in the game. I am not sure pockethemonio was that good a trainer really and beginning to think his bad selection and showing in cups was to avoid Saints getting a cup UEFA spot........
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: A bit off the subject, but I hope Clyne shows his quality, and convincingly chops down Shaw during one of his attacking runs up the wing and brings his ego crashing back down to reality.[/p][/quote]If shaw ever gets fit enough to play for LVG's 'because we're worth it' mob..... fnagh! I must admit despite running up and down a lot last year he did sometimes looka bit florid and slowed down later in the game. I am not sure pockethemonio was that good a trainer really and beginning to think his bad selection and showing in cups was to avoid Saints getting a cup UEFA spot........ st.ranger
  • Score: 1

10:26am Thu 31 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

redandy10 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.
He's 24 and we are his EIGHTH club. Has Ron seen sth in the lad that Chelsea and the other six clubs didn't?

I hope this is not Les's handy work!!!
well done redandy you used a fact in your post. unfortunately you didn't use that fact correctly!
you totally and conveniently forgot to mention that chelski brought him as a kid and then did what they do best and loaned him out to lower league clubs, have a look at how many kids chelski do this with! he was on loan to allmouth, oldham, norwich, reading, forest and then last season at villa who were his only prem loan.
none of those clubs could afford to buy him, so its not that they `didn't see anything in him` its just a matter of cost! chelski have loaned him out because they had the worlds best LB in their squad and had no room to continue his development. so far from being a `journeyman` he is an exciting young player who has had limited chances due to chelskis loan out policy!
yet again another dig at les reed, another piece of fiction! take a look at this statement from the OS, which I doubt you ever bother to look at!


First Team Manager Ronald Koeman said: “I’m very happy to be able to bring Ryan in.




“I spoke to him on Monday afternoon and I was very impressed with his attitude and how keen he was to play games for Southampton.



“He is a top player who will bring a lot of quality to the team. He has experience at the highest level and is an exciting, attacking player, which is what I like to see in my full-backs.



“I’ve been very impressed with how Matt Targett is doing in pre-season, but he is still young and developing, which I am sure he will continue to do over the coming seasons.




“Left-back is an important position in the team because it is quite specialised in terms of the attributes needed to play there, so it is nice to get this signing completed because it gives us some stability.”

so Ronnie spoke to him on Monday, if he didn't want him he wouldn't have allowed the club to bring him in!
have a lovely day inventing more rubbish!
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Chelsea reject.replace a 30 mill left back with bertrand.nice one koeman.[/p][/quote]He's 24 and we are his EIGHTH club. Has Ron seen sth in the lad that Chelsea and the other six clubs didn't? I hope this is not Les's handy work!!![/p][/quote]well done redandy you used a fact in your post. unfortunately you didn't use that fact correctly! you totally and conveniently forgot to mention that chelski brought him as a kid and then did what they do best and loaned him out to lower league clubs, have a look at how many kids chelski do this with! he was on loan to allmouth, oldham, norwich, reading, forest and then last season at villa who were his only prem loan. none of those clubs could afford to buy him, so its not that they `didn't see anything in him` its just a matter of cost! chelski have loaned him out because they had the worlds best LB in their squad and had no room to continue his development. so far from being a `journeyman` he is an exciting young player who has had limited chances due to chelskis loan out policy! yet again another dig at les reed, another piece of fiction! take a look at this statement from the OS, which I doubt you ever bother to look at! First Team Manager Ronald Koeman said: “I’m very happy to be able to bring Ryan in. “I spoke to him on Monday afternoon and I was very impressed with his attitude and how keen he was to play games for Southampton. “He is a top player who will bring a lot of quality to the team. He has experience at the highest level and is an exciting, attacking player, which is what I like to see in my full-backs. “I’ve been very impressed with how Matt Targett is doing in pre-season, but he is still young and developing, which I am sure he will continue to do over the coming seasons. “Left-back is an important position in the team because it is quite specialised in terms of the attributes needed to play there, so it is nice to get this signing completed because it gives us some stability.” so Ronnie spoke to him on Monday, if he didn't want him he wouldn't have allowed the club to bring him in! have a lovely day inventing more rubbish! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 1

10:27am Thu 31 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

When St Mary's was built I think I'm right in saying it cost £1m per 1000 seats as a guideline making it £32.5m to build.
If we did extend it by 8,000 to start with it would probably cost in the region of £10-12m taking into consideration increases in building costs etc.
This isn't a great deal deal of money for a club which now seems to be debt free and with money in the bank etc Considering the £30m spent on the training ground this would be viable if the future plans by the owners and board are true?
When St Mary's was built I think I'm right in saying it cost £1m per 1000 seats as a guideline making it £32.5m to build. If we did extend it by 8,000 to start with it would probably cost in the region of £10-12m taking into consideration increases in building costs etc. This isn't a great deal deal of money for a club which now seems to be debt free and with money in the bank etc Considering the £30m spent on the training ground this would be viable if the future plans by the owners and board are true? J7junctionseven
  • Score: 1

10:30am Thu 31 Jul 14

Scarborosaint says...

We have sold 3 players to Liverpool , 1 each to man utd and Arsenal for very good money not as if we have given them away and they desperately wanted to stay but the fact they have gone to big clubs makes it harder to stop heads being turned. Bertrand can play right or left back and although I have heard good reports about Target I haven't seen him play so he will allow target to find his feet in the premiership . Have heard that by the end of the week 2 more deals are in the offing and possibly 4 or 5 by early next week meaning our squad should be stronger than last year even though the players we have lost will be hard to replace. With agents calling the shots and contracts not worth the paper they are written on , I am more interested in the badge on the front of the shirt and not the name on the back. It's not all doom and gloom and I for one think we will surprise a few teams . COYS
We have sold 3 players to Liverpool , 1 each to man utd and Arsenal for very good money not as if we have given them away and they desperately wanted to stay but the fact they have gone to big clubs makes it harder to stop heads being turned. Bertrand can play right or left back and although I have heard good reports about Target I haven't seen him play so he will allow target to find his feet in the premiership . Have heard that by the end of the week 2 more deals are in the offing and possibly 4 or 5 by early next week meaning our squad should be stronger than last year even though the players we have lost will be hard to replace. With agents calling the shots and contracts not worth the paper they are written on , I am more interested in the badge on the front of the shirt and not the name on the back. It's not all doom and gloom and I for one think we will surprise a few teams . COYS Scarborosaint
  • Score: 4

10:38am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fritzer wrote:
BumperSaint wrote:
Great move. Even though he's good, he's not too good to the point Matt Target won't get a game...... Should be good competition at left back and gives Targett a season to blood into the prem before taking the world by storm like shaw did!!
And then a move to the BIG SIX !!!!
SPOT ON .. We really must come up with a strategy and pretty fast to keep our Players happy including paying them decent amount of money which is the market rate for a Club in the Premiership.

Everton manage it and have the players on side fighting for the CL with only a slightly larger stadium size.

NO MORE benevolent gestures by the Board selling talismen goal scorers and players that can do a job for this club.

NO MORE chasing large sums of money and then struggling to fill that gap. Get the Target Player in first.
The problem in t'south is that kids down here are shallower, parents down here do not have a local community loyalty and simply buy their kids instant success with a replica Mufco kit…. yet when the occasion arises we are capable of being every bit as big as some top six clubs attendance wise….

JPT a nothing trophy would have seen 75.000 plus had we the tickets, the bigger home games would add 10.000 to the gate and our own mini thetre of dreams would and should be a glorious atmospheric day out which will swing the mood enabling thousands more to be captured for a lifetime, moreover if you are playing in one of the best stadiums in the country with a big following weeek in and out, with significantly higher wages than we can offer now the benefits are obvious.

When Kevin Keegan left us in 83 our mean average gates 23.000 were higher than Newcastle 18,000…however once that city went on a roll, well you see for yourself..

I remember being at a cold stamford bridge back in the late 80's and there were 9000 there for an evening div 1 and 2000 were us!

Trust me we HAVE to extend St Mary's in order to fill it with new blood and fulfill our potential…..

As a footnote BHA were playing in front of 7000 a few years ago..in two years they will be bigger than us…we are taking 800, make SFC the South's huge club and we would be taking 8.000…in this day and age people want instant gratification, this can only be combated by a fierce tribal loyalty and the stadium, academy, and massive regional marketing are all part of the same script.
Everton, one of the ‘Big Five’ averaged 20,310 in 1983 and 19,288 in 1984.
Arsenal, also in the ‘Big Five’, 25,589 in 1982 and 24,154 in 1983.
Spurs, further ‘Big Five’, 20,859 in 1986.

look at them now!
I love enthusiasm and hope and ambition but there comes a point when it has to be examined and the cooler pragmatists (not neggies) are listened to. It is a wonderful dream to have a huge stadium - the only time it falls down is when you then start thinking how are we going to fill it.
Last season was as good a season as I can remember for us and we still did not fill that stadium regularly if at all (I expect there is someone on here who will be able to educate us on that one)
To extend the seating in the stadium costs (on figures given at the building of the stadium and therefore probably the cost has escalated by quite a margin) £3k per seat. We're not filling the stadium we've got! Empty seats make no money.
I admire Brighton (not just the club but the city too) it has a can do feel about it. They will grow as a club because the city itself is growing and becoming a desirable place to live and to do business. It also makes the best of its links to London by making itself a playground for Londoners.
There is an option which seems to be ignored by business in the UK. Far too often I have heard comments such as we are losing money and the answer is - well increase your prices then. This may well work sometimes but there is an alternative and the poundshops are showing us the way. Drop the prices so more people will enter. I do think if our club were to follow this option we would see 70k in the stadium. How can a working bloke pay for himself, his wife and two kids to watch a game every two weeks at home and the occasional midweek game too. I couldn't justify the expense by the time you take in travel, tickets, a couple of drinks each and a snack and a visit to the shop for a £20.00 T shirt, cap, computor mouse T-mug etc etc etc.
So it becomes a rare treat and not the norm. Saints needs it to be the norm.
Drop the price of entry by a huge amount, the shortfall will be made up through sundry purchases and more importantly there are two youngsters who grow up with the very name of Southampton FC ingrained into their memory no matter where in the world their work may take them in the future.
I know this 'cos I was that kid and no matter where I found myself my life came to a standstill until I'd heard the results on World service.
Efforts to get our players, especially the younger players out into the schools to talk to Hampshire youngsters, to coach a school football match, to enable the kids to hear the name Saints as often as they do the London clubs. Include the youth clubs. I'd even go so far as to suggest that Saints has it's own ACF unit. Make avail the facilities as a scout/brownies hut. Get together with the church and form a Boys Brigade unit (if they are still functioning) Run a local lose some weight club using Saints staff anything to get the name Saints noticed locally.
I remember coming over on the Cowes ferry on Sat morning and the ferry was packed to the gunwhales with football fans. A few wearing Saints apparel, a few in Burnmuff shirts but there were dozens in Spuds and Chelski shirts.
You can almost swim from the stadium to the Isle of Wight and there was hardly a Saints shirt on view - How have we allowed that to happen.Come to an arrangement with the ferry companies to see if a deal can be struck to make a return journey and ticket all in one deal set at a price an Islander can bring his family with him and feel he's not been ripped off and would like to do it all again soon.
There are garrison town throughout the South, give a huge discount for military personnel and their families.
When I live in Berlin, Hertha BSC used to give FREE tickets to the British and French troops - as a result my second team is Hertha BSC. Online and on visits to Germany I have bought Beer mugs, key rings, flags etc etc way in excess of what those ticket would've cost me and here I am over 30 years later still doing it.
Sorry gone on long enough - A great season is about to happen.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fritzer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BumperSaint[/bold] wrote: Great move. Even though he's good, he's not too good to the point Matt Target won't get a game...... Should be good competition at left back and gives Targett a season to blood into the prem before taking the world by storm like shaw did!![/p][/quote]And then a move to the BIG SIX !!!![/p][/quote]SPOT ON .. We really must come up with a strategy and pretty fast to keep our Players happy including paying them decent amount of money which is the market rate for a Club in the Premiership. Everton manage it and have the players on side fighting for the CL with only a slightly larger stadium size. NO MORE benevolent gestures by the Board selling talismen goal scorers and players that can do a job for this club. NO MORE chasing large sums of money and then struggling to fill that gap. Get the Target Player in first.[/p][/quote]The problem in t'south is that kids down here are shallower, parents down here do not have a local community loyalty and simply buy their kids instant success with a replica Mufco kit…. yet when the occasion arises we are capable of being every bit as big as some top six clubs attendance wise…. JPT a nothing trophy would have seen 75.000 plus had we the tickets, the bigger home games would add 10.000 to the gate and our own mini thetre of dreams would and should be a glorious atmospheric day out which will swing the mood enabling thousands more to be captured for a lifetime, moreover if you are playing in one of the best stadiums in the country with a big following weeek in and out, with significantly higher wages than we can offer now the benefits are obvious. When Kevin Keegan left us in 83 our mean average gates 23.000 were higher than Newcastle 18,000…however once that city went on a roll, well you see for yourself.. I remember being at a cold stamford bridge back in the late 80's and there were 9000 there for an evening div 1 and 2000 were us! Trust me we HAVE to extend St Mary's in order to fill it with new blood and fulfill our potential….. As a footnote BHA were playing in front of 7000 a few years ago..in two years they will be bigger than us…we are taking 800, make SFC the South's huge club and we would be taking 8.000…in this day and age people want instant gratification, this can only be combated by a fierce tribal loyalty and the stadium, academy, and massive regional marketing are all part of the same script.[/p][/quote]Everton, one of the ‘Big Five’ averaged 20,310 in 1983 and 19,288 in 1984. Arsenal, also in the ‘Big Five’, 25,589 in 1982 and 24,154 in 1983. Spurs, further ‘Big Five’, 20,859 in 1986. look at them now![/p][/quote]I love enthusiasm and hope and ambition but there comes a point when it has to be examined and the cooler pragmatists (not neggies) are listened to. It is a wonderful dream to have a huge stadium - the only time it falls down is when you then start thinking how are we going to fill it. Last season was as good a season as I can remember for us and we still did not fill that stadium regularly if at all (I expect there is someone on here who will be able to educate us on that one) To extend the seating in the stadium costs (on figures given at the building of the stadium and therefore probably the cost has escalated by quite a margin) £3k per seat. We're not filling the stadium we've got! Empty seats make no money. I admire Brighton (not just the club but the city too) it has a can do feel about it. They will grow as a club because the city itself is growing and becoming a desirable place to live and to do business. It also makes the best of its links to London by making itself a playground for Londoners. There is an option which seems to be ignored by business in the UK. Far too often I have heard comments such as we are losing money and the answer is - well increase your prices then. This may well work sometimes but there is an alternative and the poundshops are showing us the way. Drop the prices so more people will enter. I do think if our club were to follow this option we would see 70k in the stadium. How can a working bloke pay for himself, his wife and two kids to watch a game every two weeks at home and the occasional midweek game too. I couldn't justify the expense by the time you take in travel, tickets, a couple of drinks each and a snack and a visit to the shop for a £20.00 T shirt, cap, computor mouse T-mug etc etc etc. So it becomes a rare treat and not the norm. Saints needs it to be the norm. Drop the price of entry by a huge amount, the shortfall will be made up through sundry purchases and more importantly there are two youngsters who grow up with the very name of Southampton FC ingrained into their memory no matter where in the world their work may take them in the future. I know this 'cos I was that kid and no matter where I found myself my life came to a standstill until I'd heard the results on World service. Efforts to get our players, especially the younger players out into the schools to talk to Hampshire youngsters, to coach a school football match, to enable the kids to hear the name Saints as often as they do the London clubs. Include the youth clubs. I'd even go so far as to suggest that Saints has it's own ACF unit. Make avail the facilities as a scout/brownies hut. Get together with the church and form a Boys Brigade unit (if they are still functioning) Run a local lose some weight club using Saints staff anything to get the name Saints noticed locally. I remember coming over on the Cowes ferry on Sat morning and the ferry was packed to the gunwhales with football fans. A few wearing Saints apparel, a few in Burnmuff shirts but there were dozens in Spuds and Chelski shirts. You can almost swim from the stadium to the Isle of Wight and there was hardly a Saints shirt on view - How have we allowed that to happen.Come to an arrangement with the ferry companies to see if a deal can be struck to make a return journey and ticket all in one deal set at a price an Islander can bring his family with him and feel he's not been ripped off and would like to do it all again soon. There are garrison town throughout the South, give a huge discount for military personnel and their families. When I live in Berlin, Hertha BSC used to give FREE tickets to the British and French troops - as a result my second team is Hertha BSC. Online and on visits to Germany I have bought Beer mugs, key rings, flags etc etc way in excess of what those ticket would've cost me and here I am over 30 years later still doing it. Sorry gone on long enough - A great season is about to happen. jls217
  • Score: 2

10:41am Thu 31 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

jls217 wrote:
MiltonRoad wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
I have been following footy for more years than I can remember and I have never seen a club have such negative media coverage, this player not happy, this player handed in a transfer request, the exodus continues etc etc etc.

Either something is very wrong at the club' which I don't believe is the case, the CV of the new manager far outstrips the previous guy why would he of risked his reputation, new training facility etc etc.

It seems far more sensible that this unrest is being orchestrated by an ex employee of the club, could it be NC upset that he had his power well and truly rained in, I don't have any substance for my argument other than what has/is transpiring doesn't make any sense.

Before I get a barrage of abuse from the mindless section I purely put this out for debate and to seek other sensible supporters views.
I think your suspicions are spot on. Hell hath no fury like an Italian banker scorned.
No debate from me. Just drinking in all the info. Your version makes as much sense as anything else put forward. Pretty sure the fella (NC) has the desire and wherewithal to cast a spell upon us if should wish to.

Food for thought - thanks.
NC's character traits would certainly indicate someone who would be excessively vengeful and spiteful. However, I think you credit him with too much influence. He was all powerful here as Chairman but now he is just another ex football chairman. He may be able to run a story or two in the press but this episode was about players wanting to leave and the new board being prepared to sell them.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MiltonRoad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: I have been following footy for more years than I can remember and I have never seen a club have such negative media coverage, this player not happy, this player handed in a transfer request, the exodus continues etc etc etc. Either something is very wrong at the club' which I don't believe is the case, the CV of the new manager far outstrips the previous guy why would he of risked his reputation, new training facility etc etc. It seems far more sensible that this unrest is being orchestrated by an ex employee of the club, could it be NC upset that he had his power well and truly rained in, I don't have any substance for my argument other than what has/is transpiring doesn't make any sense. Before I get a barrage of abuse from the mindless section I purely put this out for debate and to seek other sensible supporters views.[/p][/quote]I think your suspicions are spot on. Hell hath no fury like an Italian banker scorned.[/p][/quote]No debate from me. Just drinking in all the info. Your version makes as much sense as anything else put forward. Pretty sure the fella (NC) has the desire and wherewithal to cast a spell upon us if should wish to. Food for thought - thanks.[/p][/quote]NC's character traits would certainly indicate someone who would be excessively vengeful and spiteful. However, I think you credit him with too much influence. He was all powerful here as Chairman but now he is just another ex football chairman. He may be able to run a story or two in the press but this episode was about players wanting to leave and the new board being prepared to sell them. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -2

10:43am Thu 31 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

Really positive news this, well done to the club and good to see the level of player they understand is needed. I think it will be a good signing and, as another positive, he will be gagging to play and show what he's capable of.

Good to see Ralph finally show some strength on Morgan and J-Rod, hope that applies to Cork and the others as well. Can't help thinking he had a morning visit from Ronald after the Chambers deal that, how can I put it, 'motivated' him to make a statement.
Really positive news this, well done to the club and good to see the level of player they understand is needed. I think it will be a good signing and, as another positive, he will be gagging to play and show what he's capable of. Good to see Ralph finally show some strength on Morgan and J-Rod, hope that applies to Cork and the others as well. Can't help thinking he had a morning visit from Ronald after the Chambers deal that, how can I put it, 'motivated' him to make a statement. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

10:48am Thu 31 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.
so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about!
your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear.
you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss
What a retard you really are.its pathetic.just call the teams by their proper names its not hard.
My point is I want players like rojo coming in not some player who even villa didnt want to re sign.we should aim big and shown some ambition.
We need an ultras style fan base to get rid of retards like you.
oh dear still name calling and no proper argument!
why are we still not in for rojo? who said we were or weren't anyway?
maybe ryan knew villa didn't have any money and the club was going to be sold and he would end up back at chelski (oopps) so his heart wasn't really in it! if he is so bad why were liverhampton chasing him? why has he got league cup fa cup and champions league winners medals?
he is a young English lb with prem European and international experience, cant be that bad can he?

or will you only be happy if Ronnie only goes for players you want at the club? well given Ronnie has far more experience in theses matters than you I think I will go with his opinion every time!
it is ok that I call Mr Ronald Koeman Ronnie is it? just thought id ask before I got anymore inane comebacks!
Notice you went missing for a while when things looked grim?
Now your back replying to everyone's post.you have to be les reed.still backing les and the boys who sold our future? Ronald's still trying to cobble together a team and you are celebrating one loan signing.
You still think Ralph will spend every penny of player sales? How easy the thickies are appeased.
oh dear sammynobrains when your wrong you really are wrong aren't you! which is all the time!
I haven't gone anywhere and have enjoyed uninterrupted posting on here for ages, talking of which, welcome back, your other login told us that this login was on an echo enforced holiday, care to let everyone know why?
so now you have called about 4-5 of us les reed, which one of us is it? you really should make your brain cell up!
so then nobrains what pearls of wisdom have you given us today? when your not having an out of the `blue` attack on saints fans, lets have a look.
right firstly jack cork has done so good that we haven't offered him a new contract, you know this do you? Ronnie was deciding whether to offer him a new contract last we heard. you see it doesn't matter how well a player does different managers rate them differently. whilst we the fans (I don't include you) might really rate him Ronnie might only see him as a bit part player.
secondly your claim that I should `check my facts` regarding an option to buy after the loan. so where have you heard that there isn't? because you might find this of interest,
Chelsea left-back Ryan Bertrand has become Southampton's third summer signing as they rebuild after selling five players for £92m.

The 24 year-old has joined on a season-long loan but, according to the Press Association, there is an option to make the deal permanent for up to £10m.
that was taken from the BBC website, I could paste more but you get the drift. so facts checked!
please continue to post as you always have done as I need to laugh now and again, oh and while you were on your `holiday` you really weren't missed!
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.[/p][/quote]so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about! your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear. you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss[/p][/quote]What a retard you really are.its pathetic.just call the teams by their proper names its not hard. My point is I want players like rojo coming in not some player who even villa didnt want to re sign.we should aim big and shown some ambition. We need an ultras style fan base to get rid of retards like you.[/p][/quote]oh dear still name calling and no proper argument! why are we still not in for rojo? who said we were or weren't anyway? maybe ryan knew villa didn't have any money and the club was going to be sold and he would end up back at chelski (oopps) so his heart wasn't really in it! if he is so bad why were liverhampton chasing him? why has he got league cup fa cup and champions league winners medals? he is a young English lb with prem European and international experience, cant be that bad can he? or will you only be happy if Ronnie only goes for players you want at the club? well given Ronnie has far more experience in theses matters than you I think I will go with his opinion every time! it is ok that I call Mr Ronald Koeman Ronnie is it? just thought id ask before I got anymore inane comebacks![/p][/quote]Notice you went missing for a while when things looked grim? Now your back replying to everyone's post.you have to be les reed.still backing les and the boys who sold our future? Ronald's still trying to cobble together a team and you are celebrating one loan signing. You still think Ralph will spend every penny of player sales? How easy the thickies are appeased.[/p][/quote]oh dear sammynobrains when your wrong you really are wrong aren't you! which is all the time! I haven't gone anywhere and have enjoyed uninterrupted posting on here for ages, talking of which, welcome back, your other login told us that this login was on an echo enforced holiday, care to let everyone know why? so now you have called about 4-5 of us les reed, which one of us is it? you really should make your brain cell up! so then nobrains what pearls of wisdom have you given us today? when your not having an out of the `blue` attack on saints fans, lets have a look. right firstly jack cork has done so good that we haven't offered him a new contract, you know this do you? Ronnie was deciding whether to offer him a new contract last we heard. you see it doesn't matter how well a player does different managers rate them differently. whilst we the fans (I don't include you) might really rate him Ronnie might only see him as a bit part player. secondly your claim that I should `check my facts` regarding an option to buy after the loan. so where have you heard that there isn't? because you might find this of interest, Chelsea left-back Ryan Bertrand has become Southampton's third summer signing as they rebuild after selling five players for £92m. The 24 year-old has joined on a season-long loan but, according to the Press Association, there is an option to make the deal permanent for up to £10m. that was taken from the BBC website, I could paste more but you get the drift. so facts checked! please continue to post as you always have done as I need to laugh now and again, oh and while you were on your `holiday` you really weren't missed! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 0

10:48am Thu 31 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

jls217 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
fritzer wrote:
BumperSaint wrote:
Great move. Even though he's good, he's not too good to the point Matt Target won't get a game...... Should be good competition at left back and gives Targett a season to blood into the prem before taking the world by storm like shaw did!!
And then a move to the BIG SIX !!!!
SPOT ON .. We really must come up with a strategy and pretty fast to keep our Players happy including paying them decent amount of money which is the market rate for a Club in the Premiership.

Everton manage it and have the players on side fighting for the CL with only a slightly larger stadium size.

NO MORE benevolent gestures by the Board selling talismen goal scorers and players that can do a job for this club.

NO MORE chasing large sums of money and then struggling to fill that gap. Get the Target Player in first.
The problem in t'south is that kids down here are shallower, parents down here do not have a local community loyalty and simply buy their kids instant success with a replica Mufco kit…. yet when the occasion arises we are capable of being every bit as big as some top six clubs attendance wise….

JPT a nothing trophy would have seen 75.000 plus had we the tickets, the bigger home games would add 10.000 to the gate and our own mini thetre of dreams would and should be a glorious atmospheric day out which will swing the mood enabling thousands more to be captured for a lifetime, moreover if you are playing in one of the best stadiums in the country with a big following weeek in and out, with significantly higher wages than we can offer now the benefits are obvious.

When Kevin Keegan left us in 83 our mean average gates 23.000 were higher than Newcastle 18,000…however once that city went on a roll, well you see for yourself..

I remember being at a cold stamford bridge back in the late 80's and there were 9000 there for an evening div 1 and 2000 were us!

Trust me we HAVE to extend St Mary's in order to fill it with new blood and fulfill our potential…..

As a footnote BHA were playing in front of 7000 a few years ago..in two years they will be bigger than us…we are taking 800, make SFC the South's huge club and we would be taking 8.000…in this day and age people want instant gratification, this can only be combated by a fierce tribal loyalty and the stadium, academy, and massive regional marketing are all part of the same script.
Everton, one of the ‘Big Five’ averaged 20,310 in 1983 and 19,288 in 1984.
Arsenal, also in the ‘Big Five’, 25,589 in 1982 and 24,154 in 1983.
Spurs, further ‘Big Five’, 20,859 in 1986.

look at them now!
I love enthusiasm and hope and ambition but there comes a point when it has to be examined and the cooler pragmatists (not neggies) are listened to. It is a wonderful dream to have a huge stadium - the only time it falls down is when you then start thinking how are we going to fill it.
Last season was as good a season as I can remember for us and we still did not fill that stadium regularly if at all (I expect there is someone on here who will be able to educate us on that one)
To extend the seating in the stadium costs (on figures given at the building of the stadium and therefore probably the cost has escalated by quite a margin) £3k per seat. We're not filling the stadium we've got! Empty seats make no money.
I admire Brighton (not just the club but the city too) it has a can do feel about it. They will grow as a club because the city itself is growing and becoming a desirable place to live and to do business. It also makes the best of its links to London by making itself a playground for Londoners.
There is an option which seems to be ignored by business in the UK. Far too often I have heard comments such as we are losing money and the answer is - well increase your prices then. This may well work sometimes but there is an alternative and the poundshops are showing us the way. Drop the prices so more people will enter. I do think if our club were to follow this option we would see 70k in the stadium. How can a working bloke pay for himself, his wife and two kids to watch a game every two weeks at home and the occasional midweek game too. I couldn't justify the expense by the time you take in travel, tickets, a couple of drinks each and a snack and a visit to the shop for a £20.00 T shirt, cap, computor mouse T-mug etc etc etc.
So it becomes a rare treat and not the norm. Saints needs it to be the norm.
Drop the price of entry by a huge amount, the shortfall will be made up through sundry purchases and more importantly there are two youngsters who grow up with the very name of Southampton FC ingrained into their memory no matter where in the world their work may take them in the future.
I know this 'cos I was that kid and no matter where I found myself my life came to a standstill until I'd heard the results on World service.
Efforts to get our players, especially the younger players out into the schools to talk to Hampshire youngsters, to coach a school football match, to enable the kids to hear the name Saints as often as they do the London clubs. Include the youth clubs. I'd even go so far as to suggest that Saints has it's own ACF unit. Make avail the facilities as a scout/brownies hut. Get together with the church and form a Boys Brigade unit (if they are still functioning) Run a local lose some weight club using Saints staff anything to get the name Saints noticed locally.
I remember coming over on the Cowes ferry on Sat morning and the ferry was packed to the gunwhales with football fans. A few wearing Saints apparel, a few in Burnmuff shirts but there were dozens in Spuds and Chelski shirts.
You can almost swim from the stadium to the Isle of Wight and there was hardly a Saints shirt on view - How have we allowed that to happen.Come to an arrangement with the ferry companies to see if a deal can be struck to make a return journey and ticket all in one deal set at a price an Islander can bring his family with him and feel he's not been ripped off and would like to do it all again soon.
There are garrison town throughout the South, give a huge discount for military personnel and their families.
When I live in Berlin, Hertha BSC used to give FREE tickets to the British and French troops - as a result my second team is Hertha BSC. Online and on visits to Germany I have bought Beer mugs, key rings, flags etc etc way in excess of what those ticket would've cost me and here I am over 30 years later still doing it.
Sorry gone on long enough - A great season is about to happen.
Like your style..hope someone affilialted with the club takes note…in no small part Saints pi55 poor attitude to it's fans and take it or leave it attitude still resides with us today, painful to admit but Pmuff have 'always' had a bond with their supprters quite unlike our miserable staff.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fritzer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BumperSaint[/bold] wrote: Great move. Even though he's good, he's not too good to the point Matt Target won't get a game...... Should be good competition at left back and gives Targett a season to blood into the prem before taking the world by storm like shaw did!![/p][/quote]And then a move to the BIG SIX !!!![/p][/quote]SPOT ON .. We really must come up with a strategy and pretty fast to keep our Players happy including paying them decent amount of money which is the market rate for a Club in the Premiership. Everton manage it and have the players on side fighting for the CL with only a slightly larger stadium size. NO MORE benevolent gestures by the Board selling talismen goal scorers and players that can do a job for this club. NO MORE chasing large sums of money and then struggling to fill that gap. Get the Target Player in first.[/p][/quote]The problem in t'south is that kids down here are shallower, parents down here do not have a local community loyalty and simply buy their kids instant success with a replica Mufco kit…. yet when the occasion arises we are capable of being every bit as big as some top six clubs attendance wise…. JPT a nothing trophy would have seen 75.000 plus had we the tickets, the bigger home games would add 10.000 to the gate and our own mini thetre of dreams would and should be a glorious atmospheric day out which will swing the mood enabling thousands more to be captured for a lifetime, moreover if you are playing in one of the best stadiums in the country with a big following weeek in and out, with significantly higher wages than we can offer now the benefits are obvious. When Kevin Keegan left us in 83 our mean average gates 23.000 were higher than Newcastle 18,000…however once that city went on a roll, well you see for yourself.. I remember being at a cold stamford bridge back in the late 80's and there were 9000 there for an evening div 1 and 2000 were us! Trust me we HAVE to extend St Mary's in order to fill it with new blood and fulfill our potential….. As a footnote BHA were playing in front of 7000 a few years ago..in two years they will be bigger than us…we are taking 800, make SFC the South's huge club and we would be taking 8.000…in this day and age people want instant gratification, this can only be combated by a fierce tribal loyalty and the stadium, academy, and massive regional marketing are all part of the same script.[/p][/quote]Everton, one of the ‘Big Five’ averaged 20,310 in 1983 and 19,288 in 1984. Arsenal, also in the ‘Big Five’, 25,589 in 1982 and 24,154 in 1983. Spurs, further ‘Big Five’, 20,859 in 1986. look at them now![/p][/quote]I love enthusiasm and hope and ambition but there comes a point when it has to be examined and the cooler pragmatists (not neggies) are listened to. It is a wonderful dream to have a huge stadium - the only time it falls down is when you then start thinking how are we going to fill it. Last season was as good a season as I can remember for us and we still did not fill that stadium regularly if at all (I expect there is someone on here who will be able to educate us on that one) To extend the seating in the stadium costs (on figures given at the building of the stadium and therefore probably the cost has escalated by quite a margin) £3k per seat. We're not filling the stadium we've got! Empty seats make no money. I admire Brighton (not just the club but the city too) it has a can do feel about it. They will grow as a club because the city itself is growing and becoming a desirable place to live and to do business. It also makes the best of its links to London by making itself a playground for Londoners. There is an option which seems to be ignored by business in the UK. Far too often I have heard comments such as we are losing money and the answer is - well increase your prices then. This may well work sometimes but there is an alternative and the poundshops are showing us the way. Drop the prices so more people will enter. I do think if our club were to follow this option we would see 70k in the stadium. How can a working bloke pay for himself, his wife and two kids to watch a game every two weeks at home and the occasional midweek game too. I couldn't justify the expense by the time you take in travel, tickets, a couple of drinks each and a snack and a visit to the shop for a £20.00 T shirt, cap, computor mouse T-mug etc etc etc. So it becomes a rare treat and not the norm. Saints needs it to be the norm. Drop the price of entry by a huge amount, the shortfall will be made up through sundry purchases and more importantly there are two youngsters who grow up with the very name of Southampton FC ingrained into their memory no matter where in the world their work may take them in the future. I know this 'cos I was that kid and no matter where I found myself my life came to a standstill until I'd heard the results on World service. Efforts to get our players, especially the younger players out into the schools to talk to Hampshire youngsters, to coach a school football match, to enable the kids to hear the name Saints as often as they do the London clubs. Include the youth clubs. I'd even go so far as to suggest that Saints has it's own ACF unit. Make avail the facilities as a scout/brownies hut. Get together with the church and form a Boys Brigade unit (if they are still functioning) Run a local lose some weight club using Saints staff anything to get the name Saints noticed locally. I remember coming over on the Cowes ferry on Sat morning and the ferry was packed to the gunwhales with football fans. A few wearing Saints apparel, a few in Burnmuff shirts but there were dozens in Spuds and Chelski shirts. You can almost swim from the stadium to the Isle of Wight and there was hardly a Saints shirt on view - How have we allowed that to happen.Come to an arrangement with the ferry companies to see if a deal can be struck to make a return journey and ticket all in one deal set at a price an Islander can bring his family with him and feel he's not been ripped off and would like to do it all again soon. There are garrison town throughout the South, give a huge discount for military personnel and their families. When I live in Berlin, Hertha BSC used to give FREE tickets to the British and French troops - as a result my second team is Hertha BSC. Online and on visits to Germany I have bought Beer mugs, key rings, flags etc etc way in excess of what those ticket would've cost me and here I am over 30 years later still doing it. Sorry gone on long enough - A great season is about to happen.[/p][/quote]Like your style..hope someone affilialted with the club takes note…in no small part Saints pi55 poor attitude to it's fans and take it or leave it attitude still resides with us today, painful to admit but Pmuff have 'always' had a bond with their supprters quite unlike our miserable staff. warrens 76
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10:50am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
When St Mary's was built I think I'm right in saying it cost £1m per 1000 seats as a guideline making it £32.5m to build.
If we did extend it by 8,000 to start with it would probably cost in the region of £10-12m taking into consideration increases in building costs etc.
This isn't a great deal deal of money for a club which now seems to be debt free and with money in the bank etc Considering the £30m spent on the training ground this would be viable if the future plans by the owners and board are true?
Like I keep saying J7 it is money well spent if you can get bums into those seats - for whatever reason we can't.
This makes it a very expensive folly. Compounded by the simple fact we can't fill the stadium we have as things stand.
If you could show Freddie you could convince another 8k people to pay those prices to watch football he would have the architects and the bean counters round your house by limo.
As it stands it probably just doesn't make sense to waste your money in that way. I hope Saints can see their way to dropping the price to bring more kids in especially but I'm not holding my breath.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: When St Mary's was built I think I'm right in saying it cost £1m per 1000 seats as a guideline making it £32.5m to build. If we did extend it by 8,000 to start with it would probably cost in the region of £10-12m taking into consideration increases in building costs etc. This isn't a great deal deal of money for a club which now seems to be debt free and with money in the bank etc Considering the £30m spent on the training ground this would be viable if the future plans by the owners and board are true?[/p][/quote]Like I keep saying J7 it is money well spent if you can get bums into those seats - for whatever reason we can't. This makes it a very expensive folly. Compounded by the simple fact we can't fill the stadium we have as things stand. If you could show Freddie you could convince another 8k people to pay those prices to watch football he would have the architects and the bean counters round your house by limo. As it stands it probably just doesn't make sense to waste your money in that way. I hope Saints can see their way to dropping the price to bring more kids in especially but I'm not holding my breath. jls217
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10:50am Thu 31 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
When St Mary's was built I think I'm right in saying it cost £1m per 1000 seats as a guideline making it £32.5m to build.
If we did extend it by 8,000 to start with it would probably cost in the region of £10-12m taking into consideration increases in building costs etc.
This isn't a great deal deal of money for a club which now seems to be debt free and with money in the bank etc Considering the £30m spent on the training ground this would be viable if the future plans by the owners and board are true?
At the time we could have had 42000 for £40 million….chicken feed, as a retro fit the numbers are costly but it has to start somewhere, if we do not build it they will never come..
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: When St Mary's was built I think I'm right in saying it cost £1m per 1000 seats as a guideline making it £32.5m to build. If we did extend it by 8,000 to start with it would probably cost in the region of £10-12m taking into consideration increases in building costs etc. This isn't a great deal deal of money for a club which now seems to be debt free and with money in the bank etc Considering the £30m spent on the training ground this would be viable if the future plans by the owners and board are true?[/p][/quote]At the time we could have had 42000 for £40 million….chicken feed, as a retro fit the numbers are costly but it has to start somewhere, if we do not build it they will never come.. warrens 76
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11:06am Thu 31 Jul 14

jls217 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Block 42 wrote:
Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.
so you've lost the debate and made yourself look a little bit stupid in the process and instead of coming back with a different well researched point to back up your claims, out come the insults about a tiny little point that no one cares about!
your claims weren't clever or thought out and when you said `reject` you kind of forgot about jack cork. oh dear.
you will be pleased to know though that liverhampton have been trying to buy ryan from chelski for quite a while but failed to meet chelskis asking price. do you think he would have played well next to dejerk with liarlanna in front of him? he could have got down the line to ping some good crosses in for lambo. ooopppppssssss
What a retard you really are.its pathetic.just call the teams by their proper names its not hard.
My point is I want players like rojo coming in not some player who even villa didnt want to re sign.we should aim big and shown some ambition.
We need an ultras style fan base to get rid of retards like you.
oh dear still name calling and no proper argument!
why are we still not in for rojo? who said we were or weren't anyway?
maybe ryan knew villa didn't have any money and the club was going to be sold and he would end up back at chelski (oopps) so his heart wasn't really in it! if he is so bad why were liverhampton chasing him? why has he got league cup fa cup and champions league winners medals?
he is a young English lb with prem European and international experience, cant be that bad can he?

or will you only be happy if Ronnie only goes for players you want at the club? well given Ronnie has far more experience in theses matters than you I think I will go with his opinion every time!
it is ok that I call Mr Ronald Koeman Ronnie is it? just thought id ask before I got anymore inane comebacks!
Notice you went missing for a while when things looked grim?
Now your back replying to everyone's post.you have to be les reed.still backing les and the boys who sold our future? Ronald's still trying to cobble together a team and you are celebrating one loan signing.
You still think Ralph will spend every penny of player sales? How easy the thickies are appeased.
oh dear sammynobrains when your wrong you really are wrong aren't you! which is all the time!
I haven't gone anywhere and have enjoyed uninterrupted posting on here for ages, talking of which, welcome back, your other login told us that this login was on an echo enforced holiday, care to let everyone know why?
so now you have called about 4-5 of us les reed, which one of us is it? you really should make your brain cell up!
so then nobrains what pearls of wisdom have you given us today? when your not having an out of the `blue` attack on saints fans, lets have a look.
right firstly jack cork has done so good that we haven't offered him a new contract, you know this do you? Ronnie was deciding whether to offer him a new contract last we heard. you see it doesn't matter how well a player does different managers rate them differently. whilst we the fans (I don't include you) might really rate him Ronnie might only see him as a bit part player.
secondly your claim that I should `check my facts` regarding an option to buy after the loan. so where have you heard that there isn't? because you might find this of interest,
Chelsea left-back Ryan Bertrand has become Southampton's third summer signing as they rebuild after selling five players for £92m.

The 24 year-old has joined on a season-long loan but, according to the Press Association, there is an option to make the deal permanent for up to £10m.
that was taken from the BBC website, I could paste more but you get the drift. so facts checked!
please continue to post as you always have done as I need to laugh now and again, oh and while you were on your `holiday` you really weren't missed!
Sammy2spliffs - How's it hanging bro'. Been away for a while haven't we. Rehab or YOI which was it mate. Hope you found it relaxing and weren't too scared to step into the showers.

IF you have any mates (and before anyone jumps on me I know - it's unlikely) see if he or any of the people you troll on FB or twitter is a Villa fan.
You see whilst the Villa management thought highly of this young man they had no pocket money left. The Villa fans also thought highly of him and sore berated the management for not saving up their dinner money.
(Sore berated means shouted at them, loosely) Dinner money is what the rich kids get to take to school to pay for stuff 'cos they think nicking is wrong (silly aren't they)
Really (no, sincerely) happy to see you out on a tag homey. Meet for a white lightning at the war memorial when the giro turns up eh! We can scribble our names on the memorial and maybe have a slash on it for old time's sake, get a cab home and do a runner 'n not pay for it - it'll be a right laff geezer. - Laters.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 42[/bold] wrote: Some of you are so fricking embarresing.Why do yall insist on changing teams names like chelsea to chelski..do you think its funny or clever?its neither it just makes us sounds like a bunch of retards.[/p