'Getting beyond a joke and our worst nightmare' - Saints fan pens open letter to Southampton FC's board

Ronald Koeman - only as good as the players at his disposal

Ronald Koeman - only as good as the players at his disposal

First published in Sport

SAINTS supporter Mark Saunders admits the current situation surrounding his club is “getting beyond a joke” and turning into every fan’s “worst nightmare.”

The lifelong supporter has written an open letter to the board of Southampton Football Club, which the Daily Echo prints in full here ....

It is with great sadness that I write this letter, but it is the only way I can think of to vent both my frustration and anger at the way my beloved Southampton is being torn apart.

It was not too long ago I was looking forward to another season in the Premier League and even quietly optimistic of seeing Saints build on a fantastic 2013/14 season.

However, even the most pessimistic fan could not have predicted what was going to happen.

Yes, most fans expected to see a couple of faces leave the club, but it is now getting beyond a joke.

What is frustrating is that most people could see that with a tiny bit of investment this great club of ours could have been competing for a trophy and even a European place, even if it was the Europa League. After achieving so much last season, the great fans of Southampton should have been looking forward to a bright future, but then Pochettino left and the alarm bells started to ring.

Before we could even start looking forward to next season, players started to be linked with this and that club.

Foolishly I, like many other Saints fans, believed that Les Reed would soon put a halt to this speculation, but sadly no, the mass exodus started!

Shaw, Lambert, Lallana, Lovren, and now Chambers! Okay, we managed to replace Pochettino with Dutch legend Ronald Koeman, but not even his appointment could stop our star players leaving.

Koeman was quoted as saying that any player leaving would be replaced with equal to or better players.....we've managed to sign just two.

Other clubs seem to be linked with a player, and then a couple of days later said player is wearing the shirt.

Not Southampton, though, we are linked with a player and that's where it ends.

I'm starting to worry that it's the clubs intention to replace the likes of Shaw, Lambert, Chambers Lallana and Lovren with academy players. Yes one, possibly two young players gradually integrated into the team over time will work, but to chuck more than that straight into the first team is asking for trouble, especially in the Premier League.

With the risk of sounding cynical, I even wonder if the club's decision to return to red and white stripes was just an effort to deflect the fans' attention away from the subject of transfers?

Instead of looking forward to next season with optimism, I find my myself worrying about whether or not we will even have a team good enough to stay in the league. Where there is no doubting Koeman's credentials as a top class manager, he is only as good as the players that he has at his disposal.

The reason why Saints did so well last season was that the team was settled, knew each others’ strengths and seemed to be united in their effort to achieve their goals.

I really hope I'm proved wrong and we have another fantastic season, but at this moment in time I doubt that.

I was born in Southampton and have been a Saints fan for as long as I can remember, and that will not change irrespective of who plays for the club or which league we are in. It's just a shame that the we were so close to realising Markus Liebherr's dream, only for things to quickly turn in to every fan’s worst nightmare.

Forever a Saints fan Mark Saunders. Gloucestershire.

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1:55pm Sun 27 Jul 14

InsideOutCat says...

You sad, sad sod. You've crossed the line from supporting the club to thinking that reality is just like FIFA 2014.
You sad, sad sod. You've crossed the line from supporting the club to thinking that reality is just like FIFA 2014. InsideOutCat
  • Score: -261

1:57pm Sun 27 Jul 14

THE12THMAN says...

Great letter, I hope some one from the club reads it, I look forward to reading the clubs reply, if there is one.
Great letter, I hope some one from the club reads it, I look forward to reading the clubs reply, if there is one. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 183

1:59pm Sun 27 Jul 14

East stand benches says...

As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo!
As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo! East stand benches
  • Score: 130

2:09pm Sun 27 Jul 14

pitbull says...

I must admit, it all seems to be falling apart but when I sit and think about it, it doesn't seem that bad.
I'll start off with Lallana, he was a great player for us, but only for about 70 minutes a game. He showed total disrespect for the club and fans and demanded a move away.
Will he be a success at Liverpool, I have my doubts. Was he worth the transfer fee, I don't think so.
He was replaced by Tadic, a similar type of player who is equal in quality if not slightly better.

Rickie Lambert, left the club with his head held high and his reputation intact, I can only wish him well in twilight of his career.
Replaced by Pelle, a slightly younger player of equal quality to Lambert who could quite easily become a Saints favourite.

Luke Shaw, no doubt a great talent in the making but I found him a bit frustrating for Saints, bombing down the wing only to stop and pass the ball backwards.
Although he demanded a move and big money, at least he kept his mouth shut in the press.
Replaced by Matt Target, from what I saw against Bournmouth we've got an able replacement for Shaw. I'm quite excited about this guy.

Lovren, no doubt a quality player for us but as a human being shows a total lack of class.
Seems very immature with his comments about his head being elsewhere.
Easily replaceable with the fee for him.

Chambers, no doubt another great prospect but with Clyne as his competition it didn't surprise me to see one of them leave.
Perhaps the lure of big money sitting on Arsenals bench was more than playing half a season for the Saints.

Schneiderlin, he apparently wants to go to secure his international chances. With the amount of midfield quality available to the French it wouldn't matter where Morgan plays his football.
If he does go, we still have Cork and Wanyama in the same position.

Rodriguez, after the support from both club and fans after his injury I would be very disappointed if he left.

So far we have sold 3 players, bought in two and promoted a few from the under 21s.
We will buy in a few more players, it's frustrating waiting but I'm sure they will come.

Is it more unsettling for the club to have a few new players or a few that don't want to play for Southampton, I'd prefer the new players for sure.
I must admit, it all seems to be falling apart but when I sit and think about it, it doesn't seem that bad. I'll start off with Lallana, he was a great player for us, but only for about 70 minutes a game. He showed total disrespect for the club and fans and demanded a move away. Will he be a success at Liverpool, I have my doubts. Was he worth the transfer fee, I don't think so. He was replaced by Tadic, a similar type of player who is equal in quality if not slightly better. Rickie Lambert, left the club with his head held high and his reputation intact, I can only wish him well in twilight of his career. Replaced by Pelle, a slightly younger player of equal quality to Lambert who could quite easily become a Saints favourite. Luke Shaw, no doubt a great talent in the making but I found him a bit frustrating for Saints, bombing down the wing only to stop and pass the ball backwards. Although he demanded a move and big money, at least he kept his mouth shut in the press. Replaced by Matt Target, from what I saw against Bournmouth we've got an able replacement for Shaw. I'm quite excited about this guy. Lovren, no doubt a quality player for us but as a human being shows a total lack of class. Seems very immature with his comments about his head being elsewhere. Easily replaceable with the fee for him. Chambers, no doubt another great prospect but with Clyne as his competition it didn't surprise me to see one of them leave. Perhaps the lure of big money sitting on Arsenals bench was more than playing half a season for the Saints. Schneiderlin, he apparently wants to go to secure his international chances. With the amount of midfield quality available to the French it wouldn't matter where Morgan plays his football. If he does go, we still have Cork and Wanyama in the same position. Rodriguez, after the support from both club and fans after his injury I would be very disappointed if he left. So far we have sold 3 players, bought in two and promoted a few from the under 21s. We will buy in a few more players, it's frustrating waiting but I'm sure they will come. Is it more unsettling for the club to have a few new players or a few that don't want to play for Southampton, I'd prefer the new players for sure. pitbull
  • Score: 295

2:13pm Sun 27 Jul 14

East stand benches says...

pitbull wrote:
I must admit, it all seems to be falling apart but when I sit and think about it, it doesn't seem that bad.
I'll start off with Lallana, he was a great player for us, but only for about 70 minutes a game. He showed total disrespect for the club and fans and demanded a move away.
Will he be a success at Liverpool, I have my doubts. Was he worth the transfer fee, I don't think so.
He was replaced by Tadic, a similar type of player who is equal in quality if not slightly better.

Rickie Lambert, left the club with his head held high and his reputation intact, I can only wish him well in twilight of his career.
Replaced by Pelle, a slightly younger player of equal quality to Lambert who could quite easily become a Saints favourite.

Luke Shaw, no doubt a great talent in the making but I found him a bit frustrating for Saints, bombing down the wing only to stop and pass the ball backwards.
Although he demanded a move and big money, at least he kept his mouth shut in the press.
Replaced by Matt Target, from what I saw against Bournmouth we've got an able replacement for Shaw. I'm quite excited about this guy.

Lovren, no doubt a quality player for us but as a human being shows a total lack of class.
Seems very immature with his comments about his head being elsewhere.
Easily replaceable with the fee for him.

Chambers, no doubt another great prospect but with Clyne as his competition it didn't surprise me to see one of them leave.
Perhaps the lure of big money sitting on Arsenals bench was more than playing half a season for the Saints.

Schneiderlin, he apparently wants to go to secure his international chances. With the amount of midfield quality available to the French it wouldn't matter where Morgan plays his football.
If he does go, we still have Cork and Wanyama in the same position.

Rodriguez, after the support from both club and fans after his injury I would be very disappointed if he left.

So far we have sold 3 players, bought in two and promoted a few from the under 21s.
We will buy in a few more players, it's frustrating waiting but I'm sure they will come.

Is it more unsettling for the club to have a few new players or a few that don't want to play for Southampton, I'd prefer the new players for sure.
Hallelujah, someone else that can see it.
[quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: I must admit, it all seems to be falling apart but when I sit and think about it, it doesn't seem that bad. I'll start off with Lallana, he was a great player for us, but only for about 70 minutes a game. He showed total disrespect for the club and fans and demanded a move away. Will he be a success at Liverpool, I have my doubts. Was he worth the transfer fee, I don't think so. He was replaced by Tadic, a similar type of player who is equal in quality if not slightly better. Rickie Lambert, left the club with his head held high and his reputation intact, I can only wish him well in twilight of his career. Replaced by Pelle, a slightly younger player of equal quality to Lambert who could quite easily become a Saints favourite. Luke Shaw, no doubt a great talent in the making but I found him a bit frustrating for Saints, bombing down the wing only to stop and pass the ball backwards. Although he demanded a move and big money, at least he kept his mouth shut in the press. Replaced by Matt Target, from what I saw against Bournmouth we've got an able replacement for Shaw. I'm quite excited about this guy. Lovren, no doubt a quality player for us but as a human being shows a total lack of class. Seems very immature with his comments about his head being elsewhere. Easily replaceable with the fee for him. Chambers, no doubt another great prospect but with Clyne as his competition it didn't surprise me to see one of them leave. Perhaps the lure of big money sitting on Arsenals bench was more than playing half a season for the Saints. Schneiderlin, he apparently wants to go to secure his international chances. With the amount of midfield quality available to the French it wouldn't matter where Morgan plays his football. If he does go, we still have Cork and Wanyama in the same position. Rodriguez, after the support from both club and fans after his injury I would be very disappointed if he left. So far we have sold 3 players, bought in two and promoted a few from the under 21s. We will buy in a few more players, it's frustrating waiting but I'm sure they will come. Is it more unsettling for the club to have a few new players or a few that don't want to play for Southampton, I'd prefer the new players for sure.[/p][/quote]Hallelujah, someone else that can see it. East stand benches
  • Score: 137

2:20pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ACTSaint says...

Watching the highlights of the Bournemouth game was a good reminder of how many great players we still have. This is now an opportunity for players like WP and Gaston to make 38 PL appearances and meet the high expectations that we have of them. I have no doubt some additional signings will follow that will strengthen the team. I was very disappointed to hear about Chambers as I thought he is a future talent. The others I am less concerned about.
Watching the highlights of the Bournemouth game was a good reminder of how many great players we still have. This is now an opportunity for players like WP and Gaston to make 38 PL appearances and meet the high expectations that we have of them. I have no doubt some additional signings will follow that will strengthen the team. I was very disappointed to hear about Chambers as I thought he is a future talent. The others I am less concerned about. ACTSaint
  • Score: 45

2:22pm Sun 27 Jul 14

miltonnroad76 says...

East stand benches wrote:
pitbull wrote:
I must admit, it all seems to be falling apart but when I sit and think about it, it doesn't seem that bad.
I'll start off with Lallana, he was a great player for us, but only for about 70 minutes a game. He showed total disrespect for the club and fans and demanded a move away.
Will he be a success at Liverpool, I have my doubts. Was he worth the transfer fee, I don't think so.
He was replaced by Tadic, a similar type of player who is equal in quality if not slightly better.

Rickie Lambert, left the club with his head held high and his reputation intact, I can only wish him well in twilight of his career.
Replaced by Pelle, a slightly younger player of equal quality to Lambert who could quite easily become a Saints favourite.

Luke Shaw, no doubt a great talent in the making but I found him a bit frustrating for Saints, bombing down the wing only to stop and pass the ball backwards.
Although he demanded a move and big money, at least he kept his mouth shut in the press.
Replaced by Matt Target, from what I saw against Bournmouth we've got an able replacement for Shaw. I'm quite excited about this guy.

Lovren, no doubt a quality player for us but as a human being shows a total lack of class.
Seems very immature with his comments about his head being elsewhere.
Easily replaceable with the fee for him.

Chambers, no doubt another great prospect but with Clyne as his competition it didn't surprise me to see one of them leave.
Perhaps the lure of big money sitting on Arsenals bench was more than playing half a season for the Saints.

Schneiderlin, he apparently wants to go to secure his international chances. With the amount of midfield quality available to the French it wouldn't matter where Morgan plays his football.
If he does go, we still have Cork and Wanyama in the same position.

Rodriguez, after the support from both club and fans after his injury I would be very disappointed if he left.

So far we have sold 3 players, bought in two and promoted a few from the under 21s.
We will buy in a few more players, it's frustrating waiting but I'm sure they will come.

Is it more unsettling for the club to have a few new players or a few that don't want to play for Southampton, I'd prefer the new players for sure.
Hallelujah, someone else that can see it.
Balanced view well said from real fan dont forget there are poopey fans on here pretending to be saints fans to unsettle us more....the usual blue few havent been here under their poopey names ....and people who delight in predicting the worst and saying i told you so...
Anyway i agree BUT we must buy to replace anyone else who leaves and also strengthen at cb and cf if Ron buys in the next few weeks this will all blow over and the doom mongers can go back in their shells.
I thrust RK to do this and do it well but if he doesnt then there is real cause for concern ..so get it done Ron and shut the wums etc up.
[quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: I must admit, it all seems to be falling apart but when I sit and think about it, it doesn't seem that bad. I'll start off with Lallana, he was a great player for us, but only for about 70 minutes a game. He showed total disrespect for the club and fans and demanded a move away. Will he be a success at Liverpool, I have my doubts. Was he worth the transfer fee, I don't think so. He was replaced by Tadic, a similar type of player who is equal in quality if not slightly better. Rickie Lambert, left the club with his head held high and his reputation intact, I can only wish him well in twilight of his career. Replaced by Pelle, a slightly younger player of equal quality to Lambert who could quite easily become a Saints favourite. Luke Shaw, no doubt a great talent in the making but I found him a bit frustrating for Saints, bombing down the wing only to stop and pass the ball backwards. Although he demanded a move and big money, at least he kept his mouth shut in the press. Replaced by Matt Target, from what I saw against Bournmouth we've got an able replacement for Shaw. I'm quite excited about this guy. Lovren, no doubt a quality player for us but as a human being shows a total lack of class. Seems very immature with his comments about his head being elsewhere. Easily replaceable with the fee for him. Chambers, no doubt another great prospect but with Clyne as his competition it didn't surprise me to see one of them leave. Perhaps the lure of big money sitting on Arsenals bench was more than playing half a season for the Saints. Schneiderlin, he apparently wants to go to secure his international chances. With the amount of midfield quality available to the French it wouldn't matter where Morgan plays his football. If he does go, we still have Cork and Wanyama in the same position. Rodriguez, after the support from both club and fans after his injury I would be very disappointed if he left. So far we have sold 3 players, bought in two and promoted a few from the under 21s. We will buy in a few more players, it's frustrating waiting but I'm sure they will come. Is it more unsettling for the club to have a few new players or a few that don't want to play for Southampton, I'd prefer the new players for sure.[/p][/quote]Hallelujah, someone else that can see it.[/p][/quote]Balanced view well said from real fan dont forget there are poopey fans on here pretending to be saints fans to unsettle us more....the usual blue few havent been here under their poopey names ....and people who delight in predicting the worst and saying i told you so... Anyway i agree BUT we must buy to replace anyone else who leaves and also strengthen at cb and cf if Ron buys in the next few weeks this will all blow over and the doom mongers can go back in their shells. I thrust RK to do this and do it well but if he doesnt then there is real cause for concern ..so get it done Ron and shut the wums etc up. miltonnroad76
  • Score: 43

2:22pm Sun 27 Jul 14

East stand benches says...

If certain north west teams wanna pay double what players are worth while we scour Europe for better players at half the price then so be it. Anyone expecting us to spend every penny we recouped in sales is deluded. It will however stand us in good stead for years to come. Or should we do a pompey? Or a Leeds? And just spend spend spend? I feel like the only saints fan that is quite happy with the sales so far.
If certain north west teams wanna pay double what players are worth while we scour Europe for better players at half the price then so be it. Anyone expecting us to spend every penny we recouped in sales is deluded. It will however stand us in good stead for years to come. Or should we do a pompey? Or a Leeds? And just spend spend spend? I feel like the only saints fan that is quite happy with the sales so far. East stand benches
  • Score: 57

2:28pm Sun 27 Jul 14

pitbull says...

East stand benches wrote:
As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo!
Great minds think alike.

Something else that has crossed my mind, how many players who thought they were too good for Saints actually progress from moving on.
The only real one is Bale, and he struggled for some time after leaving us.
Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlin haven't really set the world alight.

Beattie, Kenwyn Jones, Surman, Crouch, Ruddock, Bridge, the Israeli guy who I can't think of, all didn't really make it.
it's the same with managers, who left us and became a success, not many for sure.
[quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo![/p][/quote]Great minds think alike. Something else that has crossed my mind, how many players who thought they were too good for Saints actually progress from moving on. The only real one is Bale, and he struggled for some time after leaving us. Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlin haven't really set the world alight. Beattie, Kenwyn Jones, Surman, Crouch, Ruddock, Bridge, the Israeli guy who I can't think of, all didn't really make it. it's the same with managers, who left us and became a success, not many for sure. pitbull
  • Score: 39

2:31pm Sun 27 Jul 14

miltonnroad76 says...

East stand benches wrote:
If certain north west teams wanna pay double what players are worth while we scour Europe for better players at half the price then so be it. Anyone expecting us to spend every penny we recouped in sales is deluded. It will however stand us in good stead for years to come. Or should we do a pompey? Or a Leeds? And just spend spend spend? I feel like the only saints fan that is quite happy with the sales so far.
Im not unhappy either rk has replaced the two who left and we have targett in for shaw....do need at least one cb even if lovren stays which i doubt...as for chambers well cant play him and clyne and we are getting great money for all sales....do need a striker as i keep harping on about thats my only worry that we are not linked with any one there...i expect RK to do the business in next few weeks he needed time to assess the players we have...if he doesnt sign anyone then i will start to worry.
[quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: If certain north west teams wanna pay double what players are worth while we scour Europe for better players at half the price then so be it. Anyone expecting us to spend every penny we recouped in sales is deluded. It will however stand us in good stead for years to come. Or should we do a pompey? Or a Leeds? And just spend spend spend? I feel like the only saints fan that is quite happy with the sales so far.[/p][/quote]Im not unhappy either rk has replaced the two who left and we have targett in for shaw....do need at least one cb even if lovren stays which i doubt...as for chambers well cant play him and clyne and we are getting great money for all sales....do need a striker as i keep harping on about thats my only worry that we are not linked with any one there...i expect RK to do the business in next few weeks he needed time to assess the players we have...if he doesnt sign anyone then i will start to worry. miltonnroad76
  • Score: 13

2:31pm Sun 27 Jul 14

jezza says...

I have a genuine question for all the fans demanding that we replace outgoing players with ones that are "as good or better" and who are rounding on Les Reed because we are finding it difficult to do so.

If the players we have want to leave because "bigger" clubs want to pay silly money for them; offer them a fortune in wages; and give them Champions League football or a good chance of silverware, then won't the players we wan't to buy be wanting the same if they are "as good or better"? Won't they be looking to join the "bigger" clubs rather than us?

So, my question is this - rather than just criticising the board, will you tell us what you would be doing differently that would ensure those "big-name" players come to Southampton, rather than head off to the Liverpools, Man Utds, Arsenals, etc.?

In the meantime, Clasie, De Frij, Van Dijk, Forster and Rojo works for me - and they all sound like they would come for Koeman, not just for the money.

COYRs STID
I have a genuine question for all the fans demanding that we replace outgoing players with ones that are "as good or better" and who are rounding on Les Reed because we are finding it difficult to do so. If the players we have want to leave because "bigger" clubs want to pay silly money for them; offer them a fortune in wages; and give them Champions League football or a good chance of silverware, then won't the players we wan't to buy be wanting the same if they are "as good or better"? Won't they be looking to join the "bigger" clubs rather than us? So, my question is this - rather than just criticising the board, will you tell us what you would be doing differently that would ensure those "big-name" players come to Southampton, rather than head off to the Liverpools, Man Utds, Arsenals, etc.? In the meantime, Clasie, De Frij, Van Dijk, Forster and Rojo works for me - and they all sound like they would come for Koeman, not just for the money. COYRs STID jezza
  • Score: 54

2:32pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

At long last some levelheaded posters as above .....
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The majority of fans, whilst disappointed, are sensible enough to apreciate whats gone has gone ..... and we have got a fantastic financial return .... way above what the players true worths are .. ...
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We must allow the manger and directors to sort things out by bringing a few more "right" players that will improve the team and NOT to just apease a few disgruntrled "supporters".
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We can all make proper judgements when the season gets under way ,,
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At long last some levelheaded posters as above ..... . The majority of fans, whilst disappointed, are sensible enough to apreciate whats gone has gone ..... and we have got a fantastic financial return .... way above what the players true worths are .. ... . We must allow the manger and directors to sort things out by bringing a few more "right" players that will improve the team and NOT to just apease a few disgruntrled "supporters". . We can all make proper judgements when the season gets under way ,, . Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 36

2:40pm Sun 27 Jul 14

East stand benches says...

I'm lucky enough(or unlucky enough) to be old enough to remember finishing runners up in 84, also the cup semis of 84 and 86, the numerous years of top flight football without fear of relegation, then the nineties, le tiss, last day survival year after year, eventual relegation, near liquidation, championship, league one, losing at home to Plymouth, going to dagenham, Exeter, etc etc. anyone who wants to grizzle about having 100 million in the bank, RK in charge and a billionaire owner should just go and support liverhampton.
I'm lucky enough(or unlucky enough) to be old enough to remember finishing runners up in 84, also the cup semis of 84 and 86, the numerous years of top flight football without fear of relegation, then the nineties, le tiss, last day survival year after year, eventual relegation, near liquidation, championship, league one, losing at home to Plymouth, going to dagenham, Exeter, etc etc. anyone who wants to grizzle about having 100 million in the bank, RK in charge and a billionaire owner should just go and support liverhampton. East stand benches
  • Score: 69

2:41pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

The sentiment of the letter I agree with entirely as would any Saints fan.

The facts iam afraid seem to have been ignored........

Wages is the issue and what they represent as a % of revenue.

To keep Shaw we would have to have offered him at least £80k a week, £4m per year. AL similar money , and I suspect the others around £50k -£80k (you name the players we all hope we can keep and assume the most they are currently on is £35-40k a week, with chambers, JR etc perhaps on £20k currently). So to keep them, we would need to forsake the massive income through sales, add at least £350k a week across the squad, that's a further £17-20m per year .

The above had us standing still in terms of players , whilst I suspect doubling players wages.

Add to this the 4 new arrivals we hoped for at a cost of £50m and their wages at £40k pet week, that's another £8m a year. Plus NI and bonuses/add ons.

It's the road to ruin, and our owners choice, to build a sustainable club.

The teams poaching our best have revenue that is at least double hours currently and a global fan base we will take a decade of success to achieve. I live as an ex pat and travel the worl, a Saints fan is a rare commodity outside if the UK relatively speaking.

Fans would like t keep the best and add better, the above is the calculation I have done roughly, I know some others on here will come up with more accurate numbers but the outcome remains the same.......does KL gamble on success and risk huge losses and falling could of FFP or do we repeat the methods we have used to get us where we are today.

NC probably wanted to gamble, and MP didn't want to end up like he was at Espanyol having the best sold due to balancing the books.
Our stars left because they double or even quadrupled their income.

I believed in NC and was a staunch supporter of him and his courageous plan, unfortunately the sanity and conservatism, some would say business savvy of the Leibhers and no doubt their advisors prevailed, I for one am glad of that on reflection.

There will no doubt be more signings and a introduction of up to 4 of our academy players as fully dredged pro's, who's to say they are not better than the ones that just left? Many are junior internationals and will get game time, if we repeat this cycle and build on commercial aspects of the club we will get to where we all want to get to as fans.

Arsenal are run like a club and a business and had to play a similar game for different reasons at a higher level, let's hope RK and his team can replicate that and build on our success to date.

The club can NOT be candid about the above situation , as it's commercial suicide when it comes to negotiating with existing players and their agents as well as signing new talent.

There is no sense in the view the club is being asset stripped, as it serves np-one, believe it or not , not even the owners, who's debt free asset it is.

We are a well run club in rude health, let the team that has been assembled do their job, and then ,only then should we judge it.

Understand where we have come from and how a period of consolidation would make sense and the building of a war chest will allow us to slowly improve year in and out.

It's been said before our success has been our biggest enemy. As fans we need to support the club and the team, any talk to asset stripping or vitriol aimed at KL is unacceptable and is typical of fans with small memories and tiny minds.

COYR let the youngsters and a couple more signings continue where we left off.
The sentiment of the letter I agree with entirely as would any Saints fan. The facts iam afraid seem to have been ignored........ Wages is the issue and what they represent as a % of revenue. To keep Shaw we would have to have offered him at least £80k a week, £4m per year. AL similar money , and I suspect the others around £50k -£80k (you name the players we all hope we can keep and assume the most they are currently on is £35-40k a week, with chambers, JR etc perhaps on £20k currently). So to keep them, we would need to forsake the massive income through sales, add at least £350k a week across the squad, that's a further £17-20m per year . The above had us standing still in terms of players , whilst I suspect doubling players wages. Add to this the 4 new arrivals we hoped for at a cost of £50m and their wages at £40k pet week, that's another £8m a year. Plus NI and bonuses/add ons. It's the road to ruin, and our owners choice, to build a sustainable club. The teams poaching our best have revenue that is at least double hours currently and a global fan base we will take a decade of success to achieve. I live as an ex pat and travel the worl, a Saints fan is a rare commodity outside if the UK relatively speaking. Fans would like t keep the best and add better, the above is the calculation I have done roughly, I know some others on here will come up with more accurate numbers but the outcome remains the same.......does KL gamble on success and risk huge losses and falling could of FFP or do we repeat the methods we have used to get us where we are today. NC probably wanted to gamble, and MP didn't want to end up like he was at Espanyol having the best sold due to balancing the books. Our stars left because they double or even quadrupled their income. I believed in NC and was a staunch supporter of him and his courageous plan, unfortunately the sanity and conservatism, some would say business savvy of the Leibhers and no doubt their advisors prevailed, I for one am glad of that on reflection. There will no doubt be more signings and a introduction of up to 4 of our academy players as fully dredged pro's, who's to say they are not better than the ones that just left? Many are junior internationals and will get game time, if we repeat this cycle and build on commercial aspects of the club we will get to where we all want to get to as fans. Arsenal are run like a club and a business and had to play a similar game for different reasons at a higher level, let's hope RK and his team can replicate that and build on our success to date. The club can NOT be candid about the above situation , as it's commercial suicide when it comes to negotiating with existing players and their agents as well as signing new talent. There is no sense in the view the club is being asset stripped, as it serves np-one, believe it or not , not even the owners, who's debt free asset it is. We are a well run club in rude health, let the team that has been assembled do their job, and then ,only then should we judge it. Understand where we have come from and how a period of consolidation would make sense and the building of a war chest will allow us to slowly improve year in and out. It's been said before our success has been our biggest enemy. As fans we need to support the club and the team, any talk to asset stripping or vitriol aimed at KL is unacceptable and is typical of fans with small memories and tiny minds. COYR let the youngsters and a couple more signings continue where we left off. ctsaint
  • Score: 75

2:44pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
At long last some levelheaded posters as above .....
.
The majority of fans, whilst disappointed, are sensible enough to apreciate whats gone has gone ..... and we have got a fantastic financial return .... way above what the players true worths are .. ...
.
We must allow the manger and directors to sort things out by bringing a few more "right" players that will improve the team and NOT to just apease a few disgruntrled "supporters".
.
We can all make proper judgements when the season gets under way ,,
.
I think bringing in a few more right players will not only improve the team, it will also appease a few disgruntled supporters. Of course there will be some who will still be disgruntled, but whether they are supporters or not..?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: At long last some levelheaded posters as above ..... . The majority of fans, whilst disappointed, are sensible enough to apreciate whats gone has gone ..... and we have got a fantastic financial return .... way above what the players true worths are .. ... . We must allow the manger and directors to sort things out by bringing a few more "right" players that will improve the team and NOT to just apease a few disgruntrled "supporters". . We can all make proper judgements when the season gets under way ,, .[/p][/quote]I think bringing in a few more right players will not only improve the team, it will also appease a few disgruntled supporters. Of course there will be some who will still be disgruntled, but whether they are supporters or not..? Rising_Son
  • Score: 3

2:51pm Sun 27 Jul 14

East stand benches says...

ctsaint wrote:
The sentiment of the letter I agree with entirely as would any Saints fan.

The facts iam afraid seem to have been ignored........

Wages is the issue and what they represent as a % of revenue.

To keep Shaw we would have to have offered him at least £80k a week, £4m per year. AL similar money , and I suspect the others around £50k -£80k (you name the players we all hope we can keep and assume the most they are currently on is £35-40k a week, with chambers, JR etc perhaps on £20k currently). So to keep them, we would need to forsake the massive income through sales, add at least £350k a week across the squad, that's a further £17-20m per year .

The above had us standing still in terms of players , whilst I suspect doubling players wages.

Add to this the 4 new arrivals we hoped for at a cost of £50m and their wages at £40k pet week, that's another £8m a year. Plus NI and bonuses/add ons.

It's the road to ruin, and our owners choice, to build a sustainable club.

The teams poaching our best have revenue that is at least double hours currently and a global fan base we will take a decade of success to achieve. I live as an ex pat and travel the worl, a Saints fan is a rare commodity outside if the UK relatively speaking.

Fans would like t keep the best and add better, the above is the calculation I have done roughly, I know some others on here will come up with more accurate numbers but the outcome remains the same.......does KL gamble on success and risk huge losses and falling could of FFP or do we repeat the methods we have used to get us where we are today.

NC probably wanted to gamble, and MP didn't want to end up like he was at Espanyol having the best sold due to balancing the books.
Our stars left because they double or even quadrupled their income.

I believed in NC and was a staunch supporter of him and his courageous plan, unfortunately the sanity and conservatism, some would say business savvy of the Leibhers and no doubt their advisors prevailed, I for one am glad of that on reflection.

There will no doubt be more signings and a introduction of up to 4 of our academy players as fully dredged pro's, who's to say they are not better than the ones that just left? Many are junior internationals and will get game time, if we repeat this cycle and build on commercial aspects of the club we will get to where we all want to get to as fans.

Arsenal are run like a club and a business and had to play a similar game for different reasons at a higher level, let's hope RK and his team can replicate that and build on our success to date.

The club can NOT be candid about the above situation , as it's commercial suicide when it comes to negotiating with existing players and their agents as well as signing new talent.

There is no sense in the view the club is being asset stripped, as it serves np-one, believe it or not , not even the owners, who's debt free asset it is.

We are a well run club in rude health, let the team that has been assembled do their job, and then ,only then should we judge it.

Understand where we have come from and how a period of consolidation would make sense and the building of a war chest will allow us to slowly improve year in and out.

It's been said before our success has been our biggest enemy. As fans we need to support the club and the team, any talk to asset stripping or vitriol aimed at KL is unacceptable and is typical of fans with small memories and tiny minds.

COYR let the youngsters and a couple more signings continue where we left off.
Bravo. Consolidation and stability for years to come. Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: The sentiment of the letter I agree with entirely as would any Saints fan. The facts iam afraid seem to have been ignored........ Wages is the issue and what they represent as a % of revenue. To keep Shaw we would have to have offered him at least £80k a week, £4m per year. AL similar money , and I suspect the others around £50k -£80k (you name the players we all hope we can keep and assume the most they are currently on is £35-40k a week, with chambers, JR etc perhaps on £20k currently). So to keep them, we would need to forsake the massive income through sales, add at least £350k a week across the squad, that's a further £17-20m per year . The above had us standing still in terms of players , whilst I suspect doubling players wages. Add to this the 4 new arrivals we hoped for at a cost of £50m and their wages at £40k pet week, that's another £8m a year. Plus NI and bonuses/add ons. It's the road to ruin, and our owners choice, to build a sustainable club. The teams poaching our best have revenue that is at least double hours currently and a global fan base we will take a decade of success to achieve. I live as an ex pat and travel the worl, a Saints fan is a rare commodity outside if the UK relatively speaking. Fans would like t keep the best and add better, the above is the calculation I have done roughly, I know some others on here will come up with more accurate numbers but the outcome remains the same.......does KL gamble on success and risk huge losses and falling could of FFP or do we repeat the methods we have used to get us where we are today. NC probably wanted to gamble, and MP didn't want to end up like he was at Espanyol having the best sold due to balancing the books. Our stars left because they double or even quadrupled their income. I believed in NC and was a staunch supporter of him and his courageous plan, unfortunately the sanity and conservatism, some would say business savvy of the Leibhers and no doubt their advisors prevailed, I for one am glad of that on reflection. There will no doubt be more signings and a introduction of up to 4 of our academy players as fully dredged pro's, who's to say they are not better than the ones that just left? Many are junior internationals and will get game time, if we repeat this cycle and build on commercial aspects of the club we will get to where we all want to get to as fans. Arsenal are run like a club and a business and had to play a similar game for different reasons at a higher level, let's hope RK and his team can replicate that and build on our success to date. The club can NOT be candid about the above situation , as it's commercial suicide when it comes to negotiating with existing players and their agents as well as signing new talent. There is no sense in the view the club is being asset stripped, as it serves np-one, believe it or not , not even the owners, who's debt free asset it is. We are a well run club in rude health, let the team that has been assembled do their job, and then ,only then should we judge it. Understand where we have come from and how a period of consolidation would make sense and the building of a war chest will allow us to slowly improve year in and out. It's been said before our success has been our biggest enemy. As fans we need to support the club and the team, any talk to asset stripping or vitriol aimed at KL is unacceptable and is typical of fans with small memories and tiny minds. COYR let the youngsters and a couple more signings continue where we left off.[/p][/quote]Bravo. Consolidation and stability for years to come. Spot on. East stand benches
  • Score: 26

2:51pm Sun 27 Jul 14

The Mad Dog says...

Mark Saunders does NOT speak for me! He is a 'door handle' by another name.
The REAL supporters here are the likes of 'pitbull', 'east stand benches, Milton Road 76' et al make far more sense with their views.

I am seriously disappointed with the Daily Echo for publishing this 'open letter'. An atempt to stir up the malcontents, the sheep and the 'blue few' to spout their bile?

Poor, poor journalism DE.
(I note no-one on the staff has put their name on this!)
Mark Saunders does NOT speak for me! He is a 'door handle' by another name. The REAL supporters here are the likes of 'pitbull', 'east stand benches, Milton Road 76' et al make far more sense with their views. I am seriously disappointed with the Daily Echo for publishing this 'open letter'. An atempt to stir up the malcontents, the sheep and the 'blue few' to spout their bile? Poor, poor journalism DE. (I note no-one on the staff has put their name on this!) The Mad Dog
  • Score: 8

2:54pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

East stand benches wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
The sentiment of the letter I agree with entirely as would any Saints fan.

The facts iam afraid seem to have been ignored........

Wages is the issue and what they represent as a % of revenue.

To keep Shaw we would have to have offered him at least £80k a week, £4m per year. AL similar money , and I suspect the others around £50k -£80k (you name the players we all hope we can keep and assume the most they are currently on is £35-40k a week, with chambers, JR etc perhaps on £20k currently). So to keep them, we would need to forsake the massive income through sales, add at least £350k a week across the squad, that's a further £17-20m per year .

The above had us standing still in terms of players , whilst I suspect doubling players wages.

Add to this the 4 new arrivals we hoped for at a cost of £50m and their wages at £40k pet week, that's another £8m a year. Plus NI and bonuses/add ons.

It's the road to ruin, and our owners choice, to build a sustainable club.

The teams poaching our best have revenue that is at least double hours currently and a global fan base we will take a decade of success to achieve. I live as an ex pat and travel the worl, a Saints fan is a rare commodity outside if the UK relatively speaking.

Fans would like t keep the best and add better, the above is the calculation I have done roughly, I know some others on here will come up with more accurate numbers but the outcome remains the same.......does KL gamble on success and risk huge losses and falling could of FFP or do we repeat the methods we have used to get us where we are today.

NC probably wanted to gamble, and MP didn't want to end up like he was at Espanyol having the best sold due to balancing the books.
Our stars left because they double or even quadrupled their income.

I believed in NC and was a staunch supporter of him and his courageous plan, unfortunately the sanity and conservatism, some would say business savvy of the Leibhers and no doubt their advisors prevailed, I for one am glad of that on reflection.

There will no doubt be more signings and a introduction of up to 4 of our academy players as fully dredged pro's, who's to say they are not better than the ones that just left? Many are junior internationals and will get game time, if we repeat this cycle and build on commercial aspects of the club we will get to where we all want to get to as fans.

Arsenal are run like a club and a business and had to play a similar game for different reasons at a higher level, let's hope RK and his team can replicate that and build on our success to date.

The club can NOT be candid about the above situation , as it's commercial suicide when it comes to negotiating with existing players and their agents as well as signing new talent.

There is no sense in the view the club is being asset stripped, as it serves np-one, believe it or not , not even the owners, who's debt free asset it is.

We are a well run club in rude health, let the team that has been assembled do their job, and then ,only then should we judge it.

Understand where we have come from and how a period of consolidation would make sense and the building of a war chest will allow us to slowly improve year in and out.

It's been said before our success has been our biggest enemy. As fans we need to support the club and the team, any talk to asset stripping or vitriol aimed at KL is unacceptable and is typical of fans with small memories and tiny minds.

COYR let the youngsters and a couple more signings continue where we left off.
Bravo. Consolidation and stability for years to come. Spot on.
Pardon the typos predictive text.........
[quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: The sentiment of the letter I agree with entirely as would any Saints fan. The facts iam afraid seem to have been ignored........ Wages is the issue and what they represent as a % of revenue. To keep Shaw we would have to have offered him at least £80k a week, £4m per year. AL similar money , and I suspect the others around £50k -£80k (you name the players we all hope we can keep and assume the most they are currently on is £35-40k a week, with chambers, JR etc perhaps on £20k currently). So to keep them, we would need to forsake the massive income through sales, add at least £350k a week across the squad, that's a further £17-20m per year . The above had us standing still in terms of players , whilst I suspect doubling players wages. Add to this the 4 new arrivals we hoped for at a cost of £50m and their wages at £40k pet week, that's another £8m a year. Plus NI and bonuses/add ons. It's the road to ruin, and our owners choice, to build a sustainable club. The teams poaching our best have revenue that is at least double hours currently and a global fan base we will take a decade of success to achieve. I live as an ex pat and travel the worl, a Saints fan is a rare commodity outside if the UK relatively speaking. Fans would like t keep the best and add better, the above is the calculation I have done roughly, I know some others on here will come up with more accurate numbers but the outcome remains the same.......does KL gamble on success and risk huge losses and falling could of FFP or do we repeat the methods we have used to get us where we are today. NC probably wanted to gamble, and MP didn't want to end up like he was at Espanyol having the best sold due to balancing the books. Our stars left because they double or even quadrupled their income. I believed in NC and was a staunch supporter of him and his courageous plan, unfortunately the sanity and conservatism, some would say business savvy of the Leibhers and no doubt their advisors prevailed, I for one am glad of that on reflection. There will no doubt be more signings and a introduction of up to 4 of our academy players as fully dredged pro's, who's to say they are not better than the ones that just left? Many are junior internationals and will get game time, if we repeat this cycle and build on commercial aspects of the club we will get to where we all want to get to as fans. Arsenal are run like a club and a business and had to play a similar game for different reasons at a higher level, let's hope RK and his team can replicate that and build on our success to date. The club can NOT be candid about the above situation , as it's commercial suicide when it comes to negotiating with existing players and their agents as well as signing new talent. There is no sense in the view the club is being asset stripped, as it serves np-one, believe it or not , not even the owners, who's debt free asset it is. We are a well run club in rude health, let the team that has been assembled do their job, and then ,only then should we judge it. Understand where we have come from and how a period of consolidation would make sense and the building of a war chest will allow us to slowly improve year in and out. It's been said before our success has been our biggest enemy. As fans we need to support the club and the team, any talk to asset stripping or vitriol aimed at KL is unacceptable and is typical of fans with small memories and tiny minds. COYR let the youngsters and a couple more signings continue where we left off.[/p][/quote]Bravo. Consolidation and stability for years to come. Spot on.[/p][/quote]Pardon the typos predictive text......... ctsaint
  • Score: 0

2:59pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

ctsaint wrote:
East stand benches wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
The sentiment of the letter I agree with entirely as would any Saints fan.

The facts iam afraid seem to have been ignored........

Wages is the issue and what they represent as a % of revenue.

To keep Shaw we would have to have offered him at least £80k a week, £4m per year. AL similar money , and I suspect the others around £50k -£80k (you name the players we all hope we can keep and assume the most they are currently on is £35-40k a week, with chambers, JR etc perhaps on £20k currently). So to keep them, we would need to forsake the massive income through sales, add at least £350k a week across the squad, that's a further £17-20m per year .

The above had us standing still in terms of players , whilst I suspect doubling players wages.

Add to this the 4 new arrivals we hoped for at a cost of £50m and their wages at £40k pet week, that's another £8m a year. Plus NI and bonuses/add ons.

It's the road to ruin, and our owners choice, to build a sustainable club.

The teams poaching our best have revenue that is at least double hours currently and a global fan base we will take a decade of success to achieve. I live as an ex pat and travel the worl, a Saints fan is a rare commodity outside if the UK relatively speaking.

Fans would like t keep the best and add better, the above is the calculation I have done roughly, I know some others on here will come up with more accurate numbers but the outcome remains the same.......does KL gamble on success and risk huge losses and falling could of FFP or do we repeat the methods we have used to get us where we are today.

NC probably wanted to gamble, and MP didn't want to end up like he was at Espanyol having the best sold due to balancing the books.
Our stars left because they double or even quadrupled their income.

I believed in NC and was a staunch supporter of him and his courageous plan, unfortunately the sanity and conservatism, some would say business savvy of the Leibhers and no doubt their advisors prevailed, I for one am glad of that on reflection.

There will no doubt be more signings and a introduction of up to 4 of our academy players as fully dredged pro's, who's to say they are not better than the ones that just left? Many are junior internationals and will get game time, if we repeat this cycle and build on commercial aspects of the club we will get to where we all want to get to as fans.

Arsenal are run like a club and a business and had to play a similar game for different reasons at a higher level, let's hope RK and his team can replicate that and build on our success to date.

The club can NOT be candid about the above situation , as it's commercial suicide when it comes to negotiating with existing players and their agents as well as signing new talent.

There is no sense in the view the club is being asset stripped, as it serves np-one, believe it or not , not even the owners, who's debt free asset it is.

We are a well run club in rude health, let the team that has been assembled do their job, and then ,only then should we judge it.

Understand where we have come from and how a period of consolidation would make sense and the building of a war chest will allow us to slowly improve year in and out.

It's been said before our success has been our biggest enemy. As fans we need to support the club and the team, any talk to asset stripping or vitriol aimed at KL is unacceptable and is typical of fans with small memories and tiny minds.

COYR let the youngsters and a couple more signings continue where we left off.
Bravo. Consolidation and stability for years to come. Spot on.
Pardon the typos predictive text.........
By way of illustration ........from someone who knows more about it than me or anyone else on this forum......

Jose Mourinio
"If we pay to a 19-year-old boy what we were being asked for, to sign Luke Shaw, we are dead," Mourinho was quoted as saying.

"We would have killed our stability with financial fair play and killed the stability in our dressing room, because when you pay that much to a 19-year-old kid - a good player, fantastic player - but when you pay that amount of money, the next day, we would have had players knocking on our door.

Enough said?
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: The sentiment of the letter I agree with entirely as would any Saints fan. The facts iam afraid seem to have been ignored........ Wages is the issue and what they represent as a % of revenue. To keep Shaw we would have to have offered him at least £80k a week, £4m per year. AL similar money , and I suspect the others around £50k -£80k (you name the players we all hope we can keep and assume the most they are currently on is £35-40k a week, with chambers, JR etc perhaps on £20k currently). So to keep them, we would need to forsake the massive income through sales, add at least £350k a week across the squad, that's a further £17-20m per year . The above had us standing still in terms of players , whilst I suspect doubling players wages. Add to this the 4 new arrivals we hoped for at a cost of £50m and their wages at £40k pet week, that's another £8m a year. Plus NI and bonuses/add ons. It's the road to ruin, and our owners choice, to build a sustainable club. The teams poaching our best have revenue that is at least double hours currently and a global fan base we will take a decade of success to achieve. I live as an ex pat and travel the worl, a Saints fan is a rare commodity outside if the UK relatively speaking. Fans would like t keep the best and add better, the above is the calculation I have done roughly, I know some others on here will come up with more accurate numbers but the outcome remains the same.......does KL gamble on success and risk huge losses and falling could of FFP or do we repeat the methods we have used to get us where we are today. NC probably wanted to gamble, and MP didn't want to end up like he was at Espanyol having the best sold due to balancing the books. Our stars left because they double or even quadrupled their income. I believed in NC and was a staunch supporter of him and his courageous plan, unfortunately the sanity and conservatism, some would say business savvy of the Leibhers and no doubt their advisors prevailed, I for one am glad of that on reflection. There will no doubt be more signings and a introduction of up to 4 of our academy players as fully dredged pro's, who's to say they are not better than the ones that just left? Many are junior internationals and will get game time, if we repeat this cycle and build on commercial aspects of the club we will get to where we all want to get to as fans. Arsenal are run like a club and a business and had to play a similar game for different reasons at a higher level, let's hope RK and his team can replicate that and build on our success to date. The club can NOT be candid about the above situation , as it's commercial suicide when it comes to negotiating with existing players and their agents as well as signing new talent. There is no sense in the view the club is being asset stripped, as it serves np-one, believe it or not , not even the owners, who's debt free asset it is. We are a well run club in rude health, let the team that has been assembled do their job, and then ,only then should we judge it. Understand where we have come from and how a period of consolidation would make sense and the building of a war chest will allow us to slowly improve year in and out. It's been said before our success has been our biggest enemy. As fans we need to support the club and the team, any talk to asset stripping or vitriol aimed at KL is unacceptable and is typical of fans with small memories and tiny minds. COYR let the youngsters and a couple more signings continue where we left off.[/p][/quote]Bravo. Consolidation and stability for years to come. Spot on.[/p][/quote]Pardon the typos predictive text.........[/p][/quote]By way of illustration ........from someone who knows more about it than me or anyone else on this forum...... Jose Mourinio "If we pay to a 19-year-old boy what we were being asked for, to sign Luke Shaw, we are dead," Mourinho was quoted as saying. "We would have killed our stability with financial fair play and killed the stability in our dressing room, because when you pay that much to a 19-year-old kid - a good player, fantastic player - but when you pay that amount of money, the next day, we would have had players knocking on our door. Enough said? ctsaint
  • Score: 32

3:16pm Sun 27 Jul 14

damoose says...

Grow a pair m8 this is Saints and nothing ever goes as it should
Grow a pair m8 this is Saints and nothing ever goes as it should damoose
  • Score: 11

3:19pm Sun 27 Jul 14

damoose says...

@Pitbull

Agree with you m8, I think any player that has left us gracefully like Lambert or Crouch or Shearer, Bridge Channon they seem to do ok..any manager or player that demands to leave us hardly ever gets anywhere ....Hoddle Beatie Ox Berkovich Townsend Ruddock the list goes on
@Pitbull Agree with you m8, I think any player that has left us gracefully like Lambert or Crouch or Shearer, Bridge Channon they seem to do ok..any manager or player that demands to leave us hardly ever gets anywhere ....Hoddle Beatie Ox Berkovich Townsend Ruddock the list goes on damoose
  • Score: 24

3:25pm Sun 27 Jul 14

JanisB says...

I am with Mark Saunders. What really annoys me is the total silence from the Club authorities. For Christ Sake tell us what is happening.
I have been a supporter for 50 + years. This does not make me any more special than a new supporter but we all deserve an explanation and some respect. The current situation is very painful for all supporters. Give us the facts.
I am with Mark Saunders. What really annoys me is the total silence from the Club authorities. For Christ Sake tell us what is happening. I have been a supporter for 50 + years. This does not make me any more special than a new supporter but we all deserve an explanation and some respect. The current situation is very painful for all supporters. Give us the facts. JanisB
  • Score: 23

3:32pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Rednose says...

Keep the faith fella!! It all looks a bit grim at the moment and we all feel your pain. I for one am happy with our owners though. ML I feel set out to leave a legacy for years to come, something his children, grand children, great grand children etc to remember or know him by. So I feel confident that KL will keep that going, albeit as a self funding business. Unfortunately Players and Managers don't feel the same, its their career and therefore want to progress it as quickly as possible, not to mention Money!!! Change is inevitable, we have years to make up our reputation from almost going out of existence to attracting or keeping top players. We may have sold (arguably) our best players from last season, but we've got well over the odds for them in my opinion. Even if we lose the remaining 3 / 4, currently in the departure lounge (if the press can be believed), that shouldn't automatically equal doom and gloom. RK is re-shaping the first teams play and structure and therefore will have players in mind that will slot in where needed with very little transition time needed. Negativity is the very last thing we need right now. It may sell news papers, but in every other way it inhibits progress and gives the wrong impression of our club. We have a great management team, fantastic training facilities, exceptional passionate supporters and hope for the future with the funds available. Players will want to come to us! This is the message. No meltdown, no mass exodus who would want to come to a club where everybody believes that. RK will get the players he wants and will build a squad stronger than last season, after all we were getting predictable. For me the message is clear: Southampton FC are rebuilding quietly, steadily and without panic. The Southampton faithful at the Bournemouth game showed the way full of voice and getting behind and inspiring the team, re-affirming what the club means to the owners. Foundations have to be deep and the under pining is currently still in progress. Keep the faith, every army loses great people, but it's the reaction that counts. On wards and upwards COYR n Whites.
Keep the faith fella!! It all looks a bit grim at the moment and we all feel your pain. I for one am happy with our owners though. ML I feel set out to leave a legacy for years to come, something his children, grand children, great grand children etc to remember or know him by. So I feel confident that KL will keep that going, albeit as a self funding business. Unfortunately Players and Managers don't feel the same, its their career and therefore want to progress it as quickly as possible, not to mention Money!!! Change is inevitable, we have years to make up our reputation from almost going out of existence to attracting or keeping top players. We may have sold (arguably) our best players from last season, but we've got well over the odds for them in my opinion. Even if we lose the remaining 3 / 4, currently in the departure lounge (if the press can be believed), that shouldn't automatically equal doom and gloom. RK is re-shaping the first teams play and structure and therefore will have players in mind that will slot in where needed with very little transition time needed. Negativity is the very last thing we need right now. It may sell news papers, but in every other way it inhibits progress and gives the wrong impression of our club. We have a great management team, fantastic training facilities, exceptional passionate supporters and hope for the future with the funds available. Players will want to come to us! This is the message. No meltdown, no mass exodus who would want to come to a club where everybody believes that. RK will get the players he wants and will build a squad stronger than last season, after all we were getting predictable. For me the message is clear: Southampton FC are rebuilding quietly, steadily and without panic. The Southampton faithful at the Bournemouth game showed the way full of voice and getting behind and inspiring the team, re-affirming what the club means to the owners. Foundations have to be deep and the under pining is currently still in progress. Keep the faith, every army loses great people, but it's the reaction that counts. On wards and upwards COYR n Whites. Rednose
  • Score: 36

3:36pm Sun 27 Jul 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

damoose wrote:
@Pitbull

Agree with you m8, I think any player that has left us gracefully like Lambert or Crouch or Shearer, Bridge Channon they seem to do ok..any manager or player that demands to leave us hardly ever gets anywhere ....Hoddle Beatie Ox Berkovich Townsend Ruddock the list goes on
Steve Williams was another ,great player,sunk without trace at Arsenal.
[quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: @Pitbull Agree with you m8, I think any player that has left us gracefully like Lambert or Crouch or Shearer, Bridge Channon they seem to do ok..any manager or player that demands to leave us hardly ever gets anywhere ....Hoddle Beatie Ox Berkovich Townsend Ruddock the list goes on[/p][/quote]Steve Williams was another ,great player,sunk without trace at Arsenal. SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: 13

4:00pm Sun 27 Jul 14

reedhunter1 says...

East stand benches wrote:
As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo!
Yes I agree the good old daily echo Ian Murry the edit is such a tw@t he stirs up trouble when there isn't any-another very very poor report
[quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo![/p][/quote]Yes I agree the good old daily echo Ian Murry the edit is such a tw@t he stirs up trouble when there isn't any-another very very poor report reedhunter1
  • Score: -4

4:06pm Sun 27 Jul 14

reedhunter1 says...

The Mad Dog wrote:
Mark Saunders does NOT speak for me! He is a 'door handle' by another name.
The REAL supporters here are the likes of 'pitbull', 'east stand benches, Milton Road 76' et al make far more sense with their views.

I am seriously disappointed with the Daily Echo for publishing this 'open letter'. An atempt to stir up the malcontents, the sheep and the 'blue few' to spout their bile?

Poor, poor journalism DE.
(I note no-one on the staff has put their name on this!)
I agree look at the cr@p on here and how they make it all look bad as I said Ian Murry is a tw@t
[quote][p][bold]The Mad Dog[/bold] wrote: Mark Saunders does NOT speak for me! He is a 'door handle' by another name. The REAL supporters here are the likes of 'pitbull', 'east stand benches, Milton Road 76' et al make far more sense with their views. I am seriously disappointed with the Daily Echo for publishing this 'open letter'. An atempt to stir up the malcontents, the sheep and the 'blue few' to spout their bile? Poor, poor journalism DE. (I note no-one on the staff has put their name on this!)[/p][/quote]I agree look at the cr@p on here and how they make it all look bad as I said Ian Murry is a tw@t reedhunter1
  • Score: -9

4:08pm Sun 27 Jul 14

FindAndDestroy says...

There have been mixed emotions since the transfer began...
we seem to be divided on these transfer issues, some of us think the board is doing the right thing, and the majority think otherwise...

for the last few weeks we have been making headlines for the wrong reasons as far as fans are concerned.

We well know that Medias are full of speculations.... if there is a concrete plan the board needs to tell us what it is.

we are kept in limbo at the moment, and it is quite frustrating for fans and alarming to see half of the squad leaving the club.....

we have tasted success and we want that to continue, we want this club to move forward.

If the plan is that we can cash in on players especially those who want out and replace them with equal if not better ones, that would be a good news, and I think most of us will endorse the idea.

The season is fast approaching, most of us are happy with the 2 signings made so far, we need at last 5 more to have a chance or compete in this division.

Like so many of us have said, we can only keep those who want to play for this club, some players have been very disrespectful to this club and to the fans, they have made themselves look very common, no class whatsoever, so There is no point keeping them here.

Let RoKo get the players he knows best, we have had rumors of potential signings, but we want that to materialize pretty quickly, that would ease our worries, the season is starting soon...
There have been mixed emotions since the transfer began... we seem to be divided on these transfer issues, some of us think the board is doing the right thing, and the majority think otherwise... for the last few weeks we have been making headlines for the wrong reasons as far as fans are concerned. We well know that Medias are full of speculations.... if there is a concrete plan the board needs to tell us what it is. we are kept in limbo at the moment, and it is quite frustrating for fans and alarming to see half of the squad leaving the club..... we have tasted success and we want that to continue, we want this club to move forward. If the plan is that we can cash in on players especially those who want out and replace them with equal if not better ones, that would be a good news, and I think most of us will endorse the idea. The season is fast approaching, most of us are happy with the 2 signings made so far, we need at last 5 more to have a chance or compete in this division. Like so many of us have said, we can only keep those who want to play for this club, some players have been very disrespectful to this club and to the fans, they have made themselves look very common, no class whatsoever, so There is no point keeping them here. Let RoKo get the players he knows best, we have had rumors of potential signings, but we want that to materialize pretty quickly, that would ease our worries, the season is starting soon... FindAndDestroy
  • Score: 2

4:19pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Costa Baz says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club. All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.
You are right about there being a cancer in the club, but you are pointing the finger at the wrong person.

Cortese, quitting in January, was the catalyst, with MoPo being the tumour that spread his malignancy throughout the squad.

In hindsight, it would have been in the club's best interest to have sacked MoPo at that time, but the board were duped by his duplicity, into thinking he may stay with the club, at least, until the end of his contract.
With rumours now surfacing, that MoPo was tapping up JRod to play at his next, new club, as early as March, I think it is becoming clear that MoPo spent the last few months unsettling the squad with a view to destroying what we had. Or putting it another way, removing one of the teams, that would have been challenging his new club for European football, from the equation.

Those that accuse the club of lacking ambition, should try looking at it from a different view point. IMO, it is the individual players, that lack ambition. They could have stayed together, as a unit, and given it another year, to see if they could crack it, and gain a European place, but they lacked the balls to do this.
Their lack of ambition saw them jumping into ready made situations, where they could play European football on the back of better players' endeavours, rather than earn it themselves.

Reed is castigated for not bringing in replacements sooner, having said that we had players lined up, but what fans fail to acknowledge is that these players may have been MoPo's choice, prior to his deciding to p1ss off.
Why should he buy players knowing that the ex manager also wanted them, and may return for them next season, and in the knowledge that they may not fit the playing style of the new manager?

Yes it is frustrating, that we are having to wait for new players, but I would sooner we wait for better quality players, than buy early and end up with dross.
Our monetary constraints, ref wages, mean that we cannot match the bigger clubs, therefore we may have to wait and see what players are available, once the big clubs have had their collective picks.
We are not at the top of the football foodchain, so have to take the best we can, when we can.

Back to the OP, yes there is a cancer in the club, but Reed is slowly but surely cutting it out, and with the right rehabilitation, the patient may return to full health.
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club. All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.[/p][/quote]You are right about there being a cancer in the club, but you are pointing the finger at the wrong person. Cortese, quitting in January, was the catalyst, with MoPo being the tumour that spread his malignancy throughout the squad. In hindsight, it would have been in the club's best interest to have sacked MoPo at that time, but the board were duped by his duplicity, into thinking he may stay with the club, at least, until the end of his contract. With rumours now surfacing, that MoPo was tapping up JRod to play at his next, new club, as early as March, I think it is becoming clear that MoPo spent the last few months unsettling the squad with a view to destroying what we had. Or putting it another way, removing one of the teams, that would have been challenging his new club for European football, from the equation. Those that accuse the club of lacking ambition, should try looking at it from a different view point. IMO, it is the individual players, that lack ambition. They could have stayed together, as a unit, and given it another year, to see if they could crack it, and gain a European place, but they lacked the balls to do this. Their lack of ambition saw them jumping into ready made situations, where they could play European football on the back of better players' endeavours, rather than earn it themselves. Reed is castigated for not bringing in replacements sooner, having said that we had players lined up, but what fans fail to acknowledge is that these players may have been MoPo's choice, prior to his deciding to p1ss off. Why should he buy players knowing that the ex manager also wanted them, and may return for them next season, and in the knowledge that they may not fit the playing style of the new manager? Yes it is frustrating, that we are having to wait for new players, but I would sooner we wait for better quality players, than buy early and end up with dross. Our monetary constraints, ref wages, mean that we cannot match the bigger clubs, therefore we may have to wait and see what players are available, once the big clubs have had their collective picks. We are not at the top of the football foodchain, so have to take the best we can, when we can. Back to the OP, yes there is a cancer in the club, but Reed is slowly but surely cutting it out, and with the right rehabilitation, the patient may return to full health. Costa Baz
  • Score: 13

4:22pm Sun 27 Jul 14

bullsbags says...

Well done Mark
Whilst I will give the board another week or so to bring in a couple of DECENT new recruits and I do think there are a couple of youngsters who can step up I do applaud mark for at least trying to do something
You never know it might at least prompt the board to come out and say something constructive because we are being kept in the dark
We might not have a financial steak in the club but we have something more important LOVE AND DEVOTION so IMO we deserve to know what is going on
One thing is for sure,Pompey fans would not put up with what's going on at their club,there would be demos outside Fratton park and anything else they could think of All we do is moan on this site
Before anyone calls me a skate,I've supported this club for 39 years with in excess of 800 games under my belt
So once again Mark,well done for at least trying to do something about this ridiculous situation
Well done Mark Whilst I will give the board another week or so to bring in a couple of DECENT new recruits and I do think there are a couple of youngsters who can step up I do applaud mark for at least trying to do something You never know it might at least prompt the board to come out and say something constructive because we are being kept in the dark We might not have a financial steak in the club but we have something more important LOVE AND DEVOTION so IMO we deserve to know what is going on One thing is for sure,Pompey fans would not put up with what's going on at their club,there would be demos outside Fratton park and anything else they could think of All we do is moan on this site Before anyone calls me a skate,I've supported this club for 39 years with in excess of 800 games under my belt So once again Mark,well done for at least trying to do something about this ridiculous situation bullsbags
  • Score: 10

4:23pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Area six says...

The only comment I would make is I don't want to be told what player the board are looking at but they did say that it would be a new time of openness and without saying anything about the players leaving or coming it builds frustration , a little communication would be better then none , explain why you took 16 mil for our future full back / captain because it was an offer and wage we could not match but to stay quite does not help the situation. Please just talk to us !!!
The only comment I would make is I don't want to be told what player the board are looking at but they did say that it would be a new time of openness and without saying anything about the players leaving or coming it builds frustration , a little communication would be better then none , explain why you took 16 mil for our future full back / captain because it was an offer and wage we could not match but to stay quite does not help the situation. Please just talk to us !!! Area six
  • Score: 13

4:30pm Sun 27 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

bullsbags wrote:
Well done Mark
Whilst I will give the board another week or so to bring in a couple of DECENT new recruits and I do think there are a couple of youngsters who can step up I do applaud mark for at least trying to do something
You never know it might at least prompt the board to come out and say something constructive because we are being kept in the dark
We might not have a financial steak in the club but we have something more important LOVE AND DEVOTION so IMO we deserve to know what is going on
One thing is for sure,Pompey fans would not put up with what's going on at their club,there would be demos outside Fratton park and anything else they could think of All we do is moan on this site
Before anyone calls me a skate,I've supported this club for 39 years with in excess of 800 games under my belt
So once again Mark,well done for at least trying to do something about this ridiculous situation
About this steak in the club, sirloin, fillet or just a large rump.
[quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: Well done Mark Whilst I will give the board another week or so to bring in a couple of DECENT new recruits and I do think there are a couple of youngsters who can step up I do applaud mark for at least trying to do something You never know it might at least prompt the board to come out and say something constructive because we are being kept in the dark We might not have a financial steak in the club but we have something more important LOVE AND DEVOTION so IMO we deserve to know what is going on One thing is for sure,Pompey fans would not put up with what's going on at their club,there would be demos outside Fratton park and anything else they could think of All we do is moan on this site Before anyone calls me a skate,I've supported this club for 39 years with in excess of 800 games under my belt So once again Mark,well done for at least trying to do something about this ridiculous situation[/p][/quote]About this steak in the club, sirloin, fillet or just a large rump. warrens 76
  • Score: 10

4:32pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Dave Juson says...

No doubt Mark Saunders is an honest, sincere and genuine person, but he does not appear to have a clear idea what is going and I cannot fathom why his opinions have been given such prominence. Unless the Echo is warming itself to stir up another of its effluent storms?
No doubt Mark Saunders is an honest, sincere and genuine person, but he does not appear to have a clear idea what is going and I cannot fathom why his opinions have been given such prominence. Unless the Echo is warming itself to stir up another of its effluent storms? Dave Juson
  • Score: 5

4:34pm Sun 27 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

reedhunter1 wrote:
The Mad Dog wrote:
Mark Saunders does NOT speak for me! He is a 'door handle' by another name.
The REAL supporters here are the likes of 'pitbull', 'east stand benches, Milton Road 76' et al make far more sense with their views.

I am seriously disappointed with the Daily Echo for publishing this 'open letter'. An atempt to stir up the malcontents, the sheep and the 'blue few' to spout their bile?

Poor, poor journalism DE.
(I note no-one on the staff has put their name on this!)
I agree look at the cr@p on here and how they make it all look bad as I said Ian Murry is a tw@t
So anyone who is not merrily agreeing with the 'stories' we have been told and the 8ullshit we have been fed by Les proxy of the board is not a real fan? now that is what I call arrogant, get a grip.
[quote][p][bold]reedhunter1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Mad Dog[/bold] wrote: Mark Saunders does NOT speak for me! He is a 'door handle' by another name. The REAL supporters here are the likes of 'pitbull', 'east stand benches, Milton Road 76' et al make far more sense with their views. I am seriously disappointed with the Daily Echo for publishing this 'open letter'. An atempt to stir up the malcontents, the sheep and the 'blue few' to spout their bile? Poor, poor journalism DE. (I note no-one on the staff has put their name on this!)[/p][/quote]I agree look at the cr@p on here and how they make it all look bad as I said Ian Murry is a tw@t[/p][/quote]So anyone who is not merrily agreeing with the 'stories' we have been told and the 8ullshit we have been fed by Les proxy of the board is not a real fan? now that is what I call arrogant, get a grip. warrens 76
  • Score: 12

4:35pm Sun 27 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club.
All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.
Yes thank you Pompey fan.
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club. All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.[/p][/quote]Yes thank you Pompey fan. warrens 76
  • Score: 6

4:37pm Sun 27 Jul 14

East stand benches says...

Dave Juson wrote:
No doubt Mark Saunders is an honest, sincere and genuine person, but he does not appear to have a clear idea what is going and I cannot fathom why his opinions have been given such prominence. Unless the Echo is warming itself to stir up another of its effluent storms?
Yes quite, where can this open letter be found? In the daily echo scare mongering post room I suspect. Bout time the echo got behind the saints with some optomistic stories instead of the usual doom and gloom tripe they serve up. I for one am sick of it.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: No doubt Mark Saunders is an honest, sincere and genuine person, but he does not appear to have a clear idea what is going and I cannot fathom why his opinions have been given such prominence. Unless the Echo is warming itself to stir up another of its effluent storms?[/p][/quote]Yes quite, where can this open letter be found? In the daily echo scare mongering post room I suspect. Bout time the echo got behind the saints with some optomistic stories instead of the usual doom and gloom tripe they serve up. I for one am sick of it. East stand benches
  • Score: -3

4:42pm Sun 27 Jul 14

GHamilton says...

Having read countless posts on this forum in recent days, I feel saddened by the almost complete lack of patience and belief in the owner and board of this club. Even accepting that we all time in a world of instant gratification, the reaction of some has been unbelievable.

I have in front of me a ticket price £26 for the Kingsland , block 33 row q, seat 859, for the 25 Apri 2009.....against Burnley. We had already been relegated to the 3rd tier of English football, forced into administration, and reduced to chucking whatever we could spare into plastic buckets. Luckily we were saved by a succesfull 61 year old businessman, luckily he had the wisdom to put in place a successor, should anything happen to him. Since his sad and untimely death after only a year his daughter took over he ownership of SFC...... ALL THE SUCCESS in the last 4 years has come under her stewardship. Back to back promotions to the Premier League and in only our second year a top 8 finnish. You would think we would have learned.

But no; here we are 3 weeks before the start of our 3rd season back and without a ball being kicked it's ''GET HER OUT.... BOARDS A B*****Y JOKE ......WE'LL BE DOWN BY FEBUARY''

I wonder if she ever reads any of this; what kind of people are we.....why would any owner want to invest in a club were fans are writing personnal abuse about her , to go, and take her money with her. I cant believe true Saints realy feel like this. Football is a game, but its a business, big business, and she is is running this club as exactly that, a business, and in business the general rule of thumb is to buy low and sell high; and if a player see's £ signs and wants to leave thats exactly what you do, sell; they either want to play for SFC or they dont.

We will be fine, new players WILL be brought in, inprovements will be made. Sometimes in life you have to take a step or two back to push forward, nothing keeps going up in a straight line, corrections need to take place, and thats where we are in right now, in a correction. It's up to Saint fans to trust in our owner and the board she has put in place, the manager she has approved...... cos it's not been so bad so far!
Having read countless posts on this forum in recent days, I feel saddened by the almost complete lack of patience and belief in the owner and board of this club. Even accepting that we all time in a world of instant gratification, the reaction of some has been unbelievable. I have in front of me a ticket price £26 for the Kingsland , block 33 row q, seat 859, for the 25 Apri 2009.....against Burnley. We had already been relegated to the 3rd tier of English football, forced into administration, and reduced to chucking whatever we could spare into plastic buckets. Luckily we were saved by a succesfull 61 year old businessman, luckily he had the wisdom to put in place a successor, should anything happen to him. Since his sad and untimely death after only a year his daughter took over he ownership of SFC...... ALL THE SUCCESS in the last 4 years has come under her stewardship. Back to back promotions to the Premier League and in only our second year a top 8 finnish. You would think we would have learned. But no; here we are 3 weeks before the start of our 3rd season back and without a ball being kicked it's ''GET HER OUT.... BOARDS A B*****Y JOKE ......WE'LL BE DOWN BY FEBUARY'' I wonder if she ever reads any of this; what kind of people are we.....why would any owner want to invest in a club were fans are writing personnal abuse about her , to go, and take her money with her. I cant believe true Saints realy feel like this. Football is a game, but its a business, big business, and she is is running this club as exactly that, a business, and in business the general rule of thumb is to buy low and sell high; and if a player see's £ signs and wants to leave thats exactly what you do, sell; they either want to play for SFC or they dont. We will be fine, new players WILL be brought in, inprovements will be made. Sometimes in life you have to take a step or two back to push forward, nothing keeps going up in a straight line, corrections need to take place, and thats where we are in right now, in a correction. It's up to Saint fans to trust in our owner and the board she has put in place, the manager she has approved...... cos it's not been so bad so far! GHamilton
  • Score: 24

4:47pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Sussex Jay says...

InsideOutCat wrote:
You sad, sad sod. You've crossed the line from supporting the club to thinking that reality is just like FIFA 2014.
Nob head
[quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: You sad, sad sod. You've crossed the line from supporting the club to thinking that reality is just like FIFA 2014.[/p][/quote]Nob head Sussex Jay
  • Score: -2

4:48pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Why are some of you knocking this poor chaps letter? I've read it a couple of times and he has certainly not been rude or thrown accusations left right and centre. It seems to be tinged with sadness rather than anger. Give him a break he's devastated by what's been allowed to happen to the club he loves.
Why are some of you knocking this poor chaps letter? I've read it a couple of times and he has certainly not been rude or thrown accusations left right and centre. It seems to be tinged with sadness rather than anger. Give him a break he's devastated by what's been allowed to happen to the club he loves. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -13

4:48pm Sun 27 Jul 14

jls217 says...

East stand benches wrote:
pitbull wrote:
I must admit, it all seems to be falling apart but when I sit and think about it, it doesn't seem that bad.
I'll start off with Lallana, he was a great player for us, but only for about 70 minutes a game. He showed total disrespect for the club and fans and demanded a move away.
Will he be a success at Liverpool, I have my doubts. Was he worth the transfer fee, I don't think so.
He was replaced by Tadic, a similar type of player who is equal in quality if not slightly better.

Rickie Lambert, left the club with his head held high and his reputation intact, I can only wish him well in twilight of his career.
Replaced by Pelle, a slightly younger player of equal quality to Lambert who could quite easily become a Saints favourite.

Luke Shaw, no doubt a great talent in the making but I found him a bit frustrating for Saints, bombing down the wing only to stop and pass the ball backwards.
Although he demanded a move and big money, at least he kept his mouth shut in the press.
Replaced by Matt Target, from what I saw against Bournmouth we've got an able replacement for Shaw. I'm quite excited about this guy.

Lovren, no doubt a quality player for us but as a human being shows a total lack of class.
Seems very immature with his comments about his head being elsewhere.
Easily replaceable with the fee for him.

Chambers, no doubt another great prospect but with Clyne as his competition it didn't surprise me to see one of them leave.
Perhaps the lure of big money sitting on Arsenals bench was more than playing half a season for the Saints.

Schneiderlin, he apparently wants to go to secure his international chances. With the amount of midfield quality available to the French it wouldn't matter where Morgan plays his football.
If he does go, we still have Cork and Wanyama in the same position.

Rodriguez, after the support from both club and fans after his injury I would be very disappointed if he left.

So far we have sold 3 players, bought in two and promoted a few from the under 21s.
We will buy in a few more players, it's frustrating waiting but I'm sure they will come.

Is it more unsettling for the club to have a few new players or a few that don't want to play for Southampton, I'd prefer the new players for sure.
Hallelujah, someone else that can see it.
You're not voices in the wilderness fellas. There are several of us posting along these lines but the doom merchants are the ones who shout the loudest. Good post.
[quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: I must admit, it all seems to be falling apart but when I sit and think about it, it doesn't seem that bad. I'll start off with Lallana, he was a great player for us, but only for about 70 minutes a game. He showed total disrespect for the club and fans and demanded a move away. Will he be a success at Liverpool, I have my doubts. Was he worth the transfer fee, I don't think so. He was replaced by Tadic, a similar type of player who is equal in quality if not slightly better. Rickie Lambert, left the club with his head held high and his reputation intact, I can only wish him well in twilight of his career. Replaced by Pelle, a slightly younger player of equal quality to Lambert who could quite easily become a Saints favourite. Luke Shaw, no doubt a great talent in the making but I found him a bit frustrating for Saints, bombing down the wing only to stop and pass the ball backwards. Although he demanded a move and big money, at least he kept his mouth shut in the press. Replaced by Matt Target, from what I saw against Bournmouth we've got an able replacement for Shaw. I'm quite excited about this guy. Lovren, no doubt a quality player for us but as a human being shows a total lack of class. Seems very immature with his comments about his head being elsewhere. Easily replaceable with the fee for him. Chambers, no doubt another great prospect but with Clyne as his competition it didn't surprise me to see one of them leave. Perhaps the lure of big money sitting on Arsenals bench was more than playing half a season for the Saints. Schneiderlin, he apparently wants to go to secure his international chances. With the amount of midfield quality available to the French it wouldn't matter where Morgan plays his football. If he does go, we still have Cork and Wanyama in the same position. Rodriguez, after the support from both club and fans after his injury I would be very disappointed if he left. So far we have sold 3 players, bought in two and promoted a few from the under 21s. We will buy in a few more players, it's frustrating waiting but I'm sure they will come. Is it more unsettling for the club to have a few new players or a few that don't want to play for Southampton, I'd prefer the new players for sure.[/p][/quote]Hallelujah, someone else that can see it.[/p][/quote]You're not voices in the wilderness fellas. There are several of us posting along these lines but the doom merchants are the ones who shout the loudest. Good post. jls217
  • Score: 10

4:52pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

East stand benches wrote:
I'm lucky enough(or unlucky enough) to be old enough to remember finishing runners up in 84, also the cup semis of 84 and 86, the numerous years of top flight football without fear of relegation, then the nineties, le tiss, last day survival year after year, eventual relegation, near liquidation, championship, league one, losing at home to Plymouth, going to dagenham, Exeter, etc etc. anyone who wants to grizzle about having 100 million in the bank, RK in charge and a billionaire owner should just go and support liverhampton.
Me too, remember it well. Those of us that age have been waiting thirty years for those times to return. Some of us think they were just about to, and we've facked it up.
[quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: I'm lucky enough(or unlucky enough) to be old enough to remember finishing runners up in 84, also the cup semis of 84 and 86, the numerous years of top flight football without fear of relegation, then the nineties, le tiss, last day survival year after year, eventual relegation, near liquidation, championship, league one, losing at home to Plymouth, going to dagenham, Exeter, etc etc. anyone who wants to grizzle about having 100 million in the bank, RK in charge and a billionaire owner should just go and support liverhampton.[/p][/quote]Me too, remember it well. Those of us that age have been waiting thirty years for those times to return. Some of us think they were just about to, and we've facked it up. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -3

4:53pm Sun 27 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

East stand benches wrote:
pitbull wrote:
I must admit, it all seems to be falling apart but when I sit and think about it, it doesn't seem that bad.
I'll start off with Lallana, he was a great player for us, but only for about 70 minutes a game. He showed total disrespect for the club and fans and demanded a move away.
Will he be a success at Liverpool, I have my doubts. Was he worth the transfer fee, I don't think so.
He was replaced by Tadic, a similar type of player who is equal in quality if not slightly better.

Rickie Lambert, left the club with his head held high and his reputation intact, I can only wish him well in twilight of his career.
Replaced by Pelle, a slightly younger player of equal quality to Lambert who could quite easily become a Saints favourite.

Luke Shaw, no doubt a great talent in the making but I found him a bit frustrating for Saints, bombing down the wing only to stop and pass the ball backwards.
Although he demanded a move and big money, at least he kept his mouth shut in the press.
Replaced by Matt Target, from what I saw against Bournmouth we've got an able replacement for Shaw. I'm quite excited about this guy.

Lovren, no doubt a quality player for us but as a human being shows a total lack of class.
Seems very immature with his comments about his head being elsewhere.
Easily replaceable with the fee for him.

Chambers, no doubt another great prospect but with Clyne as his competition it didn't surprise me to see one of them leave.
Perhaps the lure of big money sitting on Arsenals bench was more than playing half a season for the Saints.

Schneiderlin, he apparently wants to go to secure his international chances. With the amount of midfield quality available to the French it wouldn't matter where Morgan plays his football.
If he does go, we still have Cork and Wanyama in the same position.

Rodriguez, after the support from both club and fans after his injury I would be very disappointed if he left.

So far we have sold 3 players, bought in two and promoted a few from the under 21s.
We will buy in a few more players, it's frustrating waiting but I'm sure they will come.

Is it more unsettling for the club to have a few new players or a few that don't want to play for Southampton, I'd prefer the new players for sure.
Hallelujah, someone else that can see it.
at last... sanity...
[quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: I must admit, it all seems to be falling apart but when I sit and think about it, it doesn't seem that bad. I'll start off with Lallana, he was a great player for us, but only for about 70 minutes a game. He showed total disrespect for the club and fans and demanded a move away. Will he be a success at Liverpool, I have my doubts. Was he worth the transfer fee, I don't think so. He was replaced by Tadic, a similar type of player who is equal in quality if not slightly better. Rickie Lambert, left the club with his head held high and his reputation intact, I can only wish him well in twilight of his career. Replaced by Pelle, a slightly younger player of equal quality to Lambert who could quite easily become a Saints favourite. Luke Shaw, no doubt a great talent in the making but I found him a bit frustrating for Saints, bombing down the wing only to stop and pass the ball backwards. Although he demanded a move and big money, at least he kept his mouth shut in the press. Replaced by Matt Target, from what I saw against Bournmouth we've got an able replacement for Shaw. I'm quite excited about this guy. Lovren, no doubt a quality player for us but as a human being shows a total lack of class. Seems very immature with his comments about his head being elsewhere. Easily replaceable with the fee for him. Chambers, no doubt another great prospect but with Clyne as his competition it didn't surprise me to see one of them leave. Perhaps the lure of big money sitting on Arsenals bench was more than playing half a season for the Saints. Schneiderlin, he apparently wants to go to secure his international chances. With the amount of midfield quality available to the French it wouldn't matter where Morgan plays his football. If he does go, we still have Cork and Wanyama in the same position. Rodriguez, after the support from both club and fans after his injury I would be very disappointed if he left. So far we have sold 3 players, bought in two and promoted a few from the under 21s. We will buy in a few more players, it's frustrating waiting but I'm sure they will come. Is it more unsettling for the club to have a few new players or a few that don't want to play for Southampton, I'd prefer the new players for sure.[/p][/quote]Hallelujah, someone else that can see it.[/p][/quote]at last... sanity... steekeemcglue
  • Score: -1

4:54pm Sun 27 Jul 14

jls217 says...

ctsaint wrote:
The sentiment of the letter I agree with entirely as would any Saints fan.

The facts iam afraid seem to have been ignored........

Wages is the issue and what they represent as a % of revenue.

To keep Shaw we would have to have offered him at least £80k a week, £4m per year. AL similar money , and I suspect the others around £50k -£80k (you name the players we all hope we can keep and assume the most they are currently on is £35-40k a week, with chambers, JR etc perhaps on £20k currently). So to keep them, we would need to forsake the massive income through sales, add at least £350k a week across the squad, that's a further £17-20m per year .

The above had us standing still in terms of players , whilst I suspect doubling players wages.

Add to this the 4 new arrivals we hoped for at a cost of £50m and their wages at £40k pet week, that's another £8m a year. Plus NI and bonuses/add ons.

It's the road to ruin, and our owners choice, to build a sustainable club.

The teams poaching our best have revenue that is at least double hours currently and a global fan base we will take a decade of success to achieve. I live as an ex pat and travel the worl, a Saints fan is a rare commodity outside if the UK relatively speaking.

Fans would like t keep the best and add better, the above is the calculation I have done roughly, I know some others on here will come up with more accurate numbers but the outcome remains the same.......does KL gamble on success and risk huge losses and falling could of FFP or do we repeat the methods we have used to get us where we are today.

NC probably wanted to gamble, and MP didn't want to end up like he was at Espanyol having the best sold due to balancing the books.
Our stars left because they double or even quadrupled their income.

I believed in NC and was a staunch supporter of him and his courageous plan, unfortunately the sanity and conservatism, some would say business savvy of the Leibhers and no doubt their advisors prevailed, I for one am glad of that on reflection.

There will no doubt be more signings and a introduction of up to 4 of our academy players as fully dredged pro's, who's to say they are not better than the ones that just left? Many are junior internationals and will get game time, if we repeat this cycle and build on commercial aspects of the club we will get to where we all want to get to as fans.

Arsenal are run like a club and a business and had to play a similar game for different reasons at a higher level, let's hope RK and his team can replicate that and build on our success to date.

The club can NOT be candid about the above situation , as it's commercial suicide when it comes to negotiating with existing players and their agents as well as signing new talent.

There is no sense in the view the club is being asset stripped, as it serves np-one, believe it or not , not even the owners, who's debt free asset it is.

We are a well run club in rude health, let the team that has been assembled do their job, and then ,only then should we judge it.

Understand where we have come from and how a period of consolidation would make sense and the building of a war chest will allow us to slowly improve year in and out.

It's been said before our success has been our biggest enemy. As fans we need to support the club and the team, any talk to asset stripping or vitriol aimed at KL is unacceptable and is typical of fans with small memories and tiny minds.

COYR let the youngsters and a couple more signings continue where we left off.
Yes, yes, yes - thanks. I was beginning to think no one could work this through. Seems many have already. Great post
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: The sentiment of the letter I agree with entirely as would any Saints fan. The facts iam afraid seem to have been ignored........ Wages is the issue and what they represent as a % of revenue. To keep Shaw we would have to have offered him at least £80k a week, £4m per year. AL similar money , and I suspect the others around £50k -£80k (you name the players we all hope we can keep and assume the most they are currently on is £35-40k a week, with chambers, JR etc perhaps on £20k currently). So to keep them, we would need to forsake the massive income through sales, add at least £350k a week across the squad, that's a further £17-20m per year . The above had us standing still in terms of players , whilst I suspect doubling players wages. Add to this the 4 new arrivals we hoped for at a cost of £50m and their wages at £40k pet week, that's another £8m a year. Plus NI and bonuses/add ons. It's the road to ruin, and our owners choice, to build a sustainable club. The teams poaching our best have revenue that is at least double hours currently and a global fan base we will take a decade of success to achieve. I live as an ex pat and travel the worl, a Saints fan is a rare commodity outside if the UK relatively speaking. Fans would like t keep the best and add better, the above is the calculation I have done roughly, I know some others on here will come up with more accurate numbers but the outcome remains the same.......does KL gamble on success and risk huge losses and falling could of FFP or do we repeat the methods we have used to get us where we are today. NC probably wanted to gamble, and MP didn't want to end up like he was at Espanyol having the best sold due to balancing the books. Our stars left because they double or even quadrupled their income. I believed in NC and was a staunch supporter of him and his courageous plan, unfortunately the sanity and conservatism, some would say business savvy of the Leibhers and no doubt their advisors prevailed, I for one am glad of that on reflection. There will no doubt be more signings and a introduction of up to 4 of our academy players as fully dredged pro's, who's to say they are not better than the ones that just left? Many are junior internationals and will get game time, if we repeat this cycle and build on commercial aspects of the club we will get to where we all want to get to as fans. Arsenal are run like a club and a business and had to play a similar game for different reasons at a higher level, let's hope RK and his team can replicate that and build on our success to date. The club can NOT be candid about the above situation , as it's commercial suicide when it comes to negotiating with existing players and their agents as well as signing new talent. There is no sense in the view the club is being asset stripped, as it serves np-one, believe it or not , not even the owners, who's debt free asset it is. We are a well run club in rude health, let the team that has been assembled do their job, and then ,only then should we judge it. Understand where we have come from and how a period of consolidation would make sense and the building of a war chest will allow us to slowly improve year in and out. It's been said before our success has been our biggest enemy. As fans we need to support the club and the team, any talk to asset stripping or vitriol aimed at KL is unacceptable and is typical of fans with small memories and tiny minds. COYR let the youngsters and a couple more signings continue where we left off.[/p][/quote]Yes, yes, yes - thanks. I was beginning to think no one could work this through. Seems many have already. Great post jls217
  • Score: -1

4:56pm Sun 27 Jul 14

jls217 says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club.
All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.
Oh, here we go again - someone woke them up. Apply for his job then mate, I'm sure you'll make a huge success of it all.
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club. All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.[/p][/quote]Oh, here we go again - someone woke them up. Apply for his job then mate, I'm sure you'll make a huge success of it all. jls217
  • Score: -7

4:57pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Why are some of you knocking this poor chaps letter? I've read it a couple of times and he has certainly not been rude or thrown accusations left right and centre. It seems to be tinged with sadness rather than anger. Give him a break he's devastated by what's been allowed to happen to the club he loves.
Seed, it's not a bad letter, it's not really newsworthy or insightful, it doesn't articulate much beyond basic emotion and fails to take into account some facts. "Club being torn apart" hardly, "all it needed was a tiny bit of investment"....... You run your own show, go double your wage bill, hire 4 more big hitters and pray you at least double turnover to cover costs......is that a "tiny" investment.....I have changed my mind having re-read the letter ......it's drivel.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Why are some of you knocking this poor chaps letter? I've read it a couple of times and he has certainly not been rude or thrown accusations left right and centre. It seems to be tinged with sadness rather than anger. Give him a break he's devastated by what's been allowed to happen to the club he loves.[/p][/quote]Seed, it's not a bad letter, it's not really newsworthy or insightful, it doesn't articulate much beyond basic emotion and fails to take into account some facts. "Club being torn apart" hardly, "all it needed was a tiny bit of investment"....... You run your own show, go double your wage bill, hire 4 more big hitters and pray you at least double turnover to cover costs......is that a "tiny" investment.....I have changed my mind having re-read the letter ......it's drivel. ctsaint
  • Score: -8

4:57pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Dave Juson wrote:
No doubt Mark Saunders is an honest, sincere and genuine person, but he does not appear to have a clear idea what is going and I cannot fathom why his opinions have been given such prominence. Unless the Echo is warming itself to stir up another of its effluent storms?
He doesn't have a clear idea Dave, like the rest of us, because of the appalling lack of communication from the club which naturally leads to speculation. Obviously we can't expect them to say we are in for X or Y for very obvious reasons, but they could give us an appraisal of what their stance is and aims and ambitions going forward.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: No doubt Mark Saunders is an honest, sincere and genuine person, but he does not appear to have a clear idea what is going and I cannot fathom why his opinions have been given such prominence. Unless the Echo is warming itself to stir up another of its effluent storms?[/p][/quote]He doesn't have a clear idea Dave, like the rest of us, because of the appalling lack of communication from the club which naturally leads to speculation. Obviously we can't expect them to say we are in for X or Y for very obvious reasons, but they could give us an appraisal of what their stance is and aims and ambitions going forward. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 15

4:59pm Sun 27 Jul 14

BarnetSaint says...

bullsbags wrote:
Well done Mark
Whilst I will give the board another week or so to bring in a couple of DECENT new recruits and I do think there are a couple of youngsters who can step up I do applaud mark for at least trying to do something
You never know it might at least prompt the board to come out and say something constructive because we are being kept in the dark
We might not have a financial steak in the club but we have something more important LOVE AND DEVOTION so IMO we deserve to know what is going on
One thing is for sure,Pompey fans would not put up with what's going on at their club,there would be demos outside Fratton park and anything else they could think of All we do is moan on this site
Before anyone calls me a skate,I've supported this club for 39 years with in excess of 800 games under my belt
So once again Mark,well done for at least trying to do something about this ridiculous situation
To quote what the blue few would do in our situation does not apply.
They organised a protest ' March" in their car park.
Result, 123 mongs in attendance. At least the anti Lowe one we had brought out 1100
[quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: Well done Mark Whilst I will give the board another week or so to bring in a couple of DECENT new recruits and I do think there are a couple of youngsters who can step up I do applaud mark for at least trying to do something You never know it might at least prompt the board to come out and say something constructive because we are being kept in the dark We might not have a financial steak in the club but we have something more important LOVE AND DEVOTION so IMO we deserve to know what is going on One thing is for sure,Pompey fans would not put up with what's going on at their club,there would be demos outside Fratton park and anything else they could think of All we do is moan on this site Before anyone calls me a skate,I've supported this club for 39 years with in excess of 800 games under my belt So once again Mark,well done for at least trying to do something about this ridiculous situation[/p][/quote]To quote what the blue few would do in our situation does not apply. They organised a protest ' March" in their car park. Result, 123 mongs in attendance. At least the anti Lowe one we had brought out 1100 BarnetSaint
  • Score: 7

5:08pm Sun 27 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Costa Baz wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club. All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.
You are right about there being a cancer in the club, but you are pointing the finger at the wrong person.

Cortese, quitting in January, was the catalyst, with MoPo being the tumour that spread his malignancy throughout the squad.

In hindsight, it would have been in the club's best interest to have sacked MoPo at that time, but the board were duped by his duplicity, into thinking he may stay with the club, at least, until the end of his contract.
With rumours now surfacing, that MoPo was tapping up JRod to play at his next, new club, as early as March, I think it is becoming clear that MoPo spent the last few months unsettling the squad with a view to destroying what we had. Or putting it another way, removing one of the teams, that would have been challenging his new club for European football, from the equation.

Those that accuse the club of lacking ambition, should try looking at it from a different view point. IMO, it is the individual players, that lack ambition. They could have stayed together, as a unit, and given it another year, to see if they could crack it, and gain a European place, but they lacked the balls to do this.
Their lack of ambition saw them jumping into ready made situations, where they could play European football on the back of better players' endeavours, rather than earn it themselves.

Reed is castigated for not bringing in replacements sooner, having said that we had players lined up, but what fans fail to acknowledge is that these players may have been MoPo's choice, prior to his deciding to p1ss off.
Why should he buy players knowing that the ex manager also wanted them, and may return for them next season, and in the knowledge that they may not fit the playing style of the new manager?

Yes it is frustrating, that we are having to wait for new players, but I would sooner we wait for better quality players, than buy early and end up with dross.
Our monetary constraints, ref wages, mean that we cannot match the bigger clubs, therefore we may have to wait and see what players are available, once the big clubs have had their collective picks.
We are not at the top of the football foodchain, so have to take the best we can, when we can.

Back to the OP, yes there is a cancer in the club, but Reed is slowly but surely cutting it out, and with the right rehabilitation, the patient may return to full health.
A good take on the situation as it was and I suspect (but don't know for sure) that your version of events makes far more sense than some of the bile I've read on this forum.

We're coming to the beginning of the end of the turmoil and we can look forward to a period of stability with the Rambo bros steering.

Fed up with the constant attacks on Katharina, Freddie, Les and the programme sellers by those who purport to be fans. It is sickening. Wish they would just let the back room teams get on with their jobs and show appreciation for the thankless task they have had keeping the boat afloat in recent weeks.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club. All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.[/p][/quote]You are right about there being a cancer in the club, but you are pointing the finger at the wrong person. Cortese, quitting in January, was the catalyst, with MoPo being the tumour that spread his malignancy throughout the squad. In hindsight, it would have been in the club's best interest to have sacked MoPo at that time, but the board were duped by his duplicity, into thinking he may stay with the club, at least, until the end of his contract. With rumours now surfacing, that MoPo was tapping up JRod to play at his next, new club, as early as March, I think it is becoming clear that MoPo spent the last few months unsettling the squad with a view to destroying what we had. Or putting it another way, removing one of the teams, that would have been challenging his new club for European football, from the equation. Those that accuse the club of lacking ambition, should try looking at it from a different view point. IMO, it is the individual players, that lack ambition. They could have stayed together, as a unit, and given it another year, to see if they could crack it, and gain a European place, but they lacked the balls to do this. Their lack of ambition saw them jumping into ready made situations, where they could play European football on the back of better players' endeavours, rather than earn it themselves. Reed is castigated for not bringing in replacements sooner, having said that we had players lined up, but what fans fail to acknowledge is that these players may have been MoPo's choice, prior to his deciding to p1ss off. Why should he buy players knowing that the ex manager also wanted them, and may return for them next season, and in the knowledge that they may not fit the playing style of the new manager? Yes it is frustrating, that we are having to wait for new players, but I would sooner we wait for better quality players, than buy early and end up with dross. Our monetary constraints, ref wages, mean that we cannot match the bigger clubs, therefore we may have to wait and see what players are available, once the big clubs have had their collective picks. We are not at the top of the football foodchain, so have to take the best we can, when we can. Back to the OP, yes there is a cancer in the club, but Reed is slowly but surely cutting it out, and with the right rehabilitation, the patient may return to full health.[/p][/quote]A good take on the situation as it was and I suspect (but don't know for sure) that your version of events makes far more sense than some of the bile I've read on this forum. We're coming to the beginning of the end of the turmoil and we can look forward to a period of stability with the Rambo bros steering. Fed up with the constant attacks on Katharina, Freddie, Les and the programme sellers by those who purport to be fans. It is sickening. Wish they would just let the back room teams get on with their jobs and show appreciation for the thankless task they have had keeping the boat afloat in recent weeks. jls217
  • Score: -3

5:12pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

ctsaint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Why are some of you knocking this poor chaps letter? I've read it a couple of times and he has certainly not been rude or thrown accusations left right and centre. It seems to be tinged with sadness rather than anger. Give him a break he's devastated by what's been allowed to happen to the club he loves.
Seed, it's not a bad letter, it's not really newsworthy or insightful, it doesn't articulate much beyond basic emotion and fails to take into account some facts. "Club being torn apart" hardly, "all it needed was a tiny bit of investment"....... You run your own show, go double your wage bill, hire 4 more big hitters and pray you at least double turnover to cover costs......is that a "tiny" investment.....I have changed my mind having re-read the letter ......it's drivel.
That's a tad harsh. I'd prefer to say it's emotional rather than drivel! Surely that's the whole thing of being a football fan, it is about emotion. I could write a far more business like letter to the club asking about ROI expectations, cash-flow forecasts, growth strategies etc and I'd either get no reply or a brush off. One of the things I didn't like about Cortese was the excessive secrecy and that appears to be still with us even if the vision isn't.
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Why are some of you knocking this poor chaps letter? I've read it a couple of times and he has certainly not been rude or thrown accusations left right and centre. It seems to be tinged with sadness rather than anger. Give him a break he's devastated by what's been allowed to happen to the club he loves.[/p][/quote]Seed, it's not a bad letter, it's not really newsworthy or insightful, it doesn't articulate much beyond basic emotion and fails to take into account some facts. "Club being torn apart" hardly, "all it needed was a tiny bit of investment"....... You run your own show, go double your wage bill, hire 4 more big hitters and pray you at least double turnover to cover costs......is that a "tiny" investment.....I have changed my mind having re-read the letter ......it's drivel.[/p][/quote]That's a tad harsh. I'd prefer to say it's emotional rather than drivel! Surely that's the whole thing of being a football fan, it is about emotion. I could write a far more business like letter to the club asking about ROI expectations, cash-flow forecasts, growth strategies etc and I'd either get no reply or a brush off. One of the things I didn't like about Cortese was the excessive secrecy and that appears to be still with us even if the vision isn't. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 19

5:16pm Sun 27 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
East stand benches wrote:
I'm lucky enough(or unlucky enough) to be old enough to remember finishing runners up in 84, also the cup semis of 84 and 86, the numerous years of top flight football without fear of relegation, then the nineties, le tiss, last day survival year after year, eventual relegation, near liquidation, championship, league one, losing at home to Plymouth, going to dagenham, Exeter, etc etc. anyone who wants to grizzle about having 100 million in the bank, RK in charge and a billionaire owner should just go and support liverhampton.
Me too, remember it well. Those of us that age have been waiting thirty years for those times to return. Some of us think they were just about to, and we've facked it up.
No we haven't Seed. When NC and MOPO were running the show we had the confidence in them to think they knew best and would only do what was best for the club. They didn't stick to their end of the bargain - we did ours we trusted them.
As a result of a good season the big boys stepped in and seduced our best and brightest with figures that even Mourinho couldn't bring himself to compete with. - We had no real option but to let them go, as much as we all wanted all sorts of dire actions to compel them to stay.
Katharina rang out the bells of change and a few players left. We are now well equipped to replace them and more. We didn't do anything wrong - it is just inevitable in football. A mate of mine reminded me the same thing happened at Villa. Money doesn't talk it shouts.
Better is to come Seed just have a little patience and faith mate.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: I'm lucky enough(or unlucky enough) to be old enough to remember finishing runners up in 84, also the cup semis of 84 and 86, the numerous years of top flight football without fear of relegation, then the nineties, le tiss, last day survival year after year, eventual relegation, near liquidation, championship, league one, losing at home to Plymouth, going to dagenham, Exeter, etc etc. anyone who wants to grizzle about having 100 million in the bank, RK in charge and a billionaire owner should just go and support liverhampton.[/p][/quote]Me too, remember it well. Those of us that age have been waiting thirty years for those times to return. Some of us think they were just about to, and we've facked it up.[/p][/quote]No we haven't Seed. When NC and MOPO were running the show we had the confidence in them to think they knew best and would only do what was best for the club. They didn't stick to their end of the bargain - we did ours we trusted them. As a result of a good season the big boys stepped in and seduced our best and brightest with figures that even Mourinho couldn't bring himself to compete with. - We had no real option but to let them go, as much as we all wanted all sorts of dire actions to compel them to stay. Katharina rang out the bells of change and a few players left. We are now well equipped to replace them and more. We didn't do anything wrong - it is just inevitable in football. A mate of mine reminded me the same thing happened at Villa. Money doesn't talk it shouts. Better is to come Seed just have a little patience and faith mate. jls217
  • Score: 1

5:23pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
East stand benches wrote:
I'm lucky enough(or unlucky enough) to be old enough to remember finishing runners up in 84, also the cup semis of 84 and 86, the numerous years of top flight football without fear of relegation, then the nineties, le tiss, last day survival year after year, eventual relegation, near liquidation, championship, league one, losing at home to Plymouth, going to dagenham, Exeter, etc etc. anyone who wants to grizzle about having 100 million in the bank, RK in charge and a billionaire owner should just go and support liverhampton.
Me too, remember it well. Those of us that age have been waiting thirty years for those times to return. Some of us think they were just about to, and we've facked it up.
No we haven't Seed. When NC and MOPO were running the show we had the confidence in them to think they knew best and would only do what was best for the club. They didn't stick to their end of the bargain - we did ours we trusted them.
As a result of a good season the big boys stepped in and seduced our best and brightest with figures that even Mourinho couldn't bring himself to compete with. - We had no real option but to let them go, as much as we all wanted all sorts of dire actions to compel them to stay.
Katharina rang out the bells of change and a few players left. We are now well equipped to replace them and more. We didn't do anything wrong - it is just inevitable in football. A mate of mine reminded me the same thing happened at Villa. Money doesn't talk it shouts.
Better is to come Seed just have a little patience and faith mate.
Ive been patient for thirty bloody years! I get the Shaw and Lallana stuff but selling Chambers is just criminal. RB and defensive mid were the only two areas with any depth, we all agreed we needed more depth not less!

Im off to the pub.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: I'm lucky enough(or unlucky enough) to be old enough to remember finishing runners up in 84, also the cup semis of 84 and 86, the numerous years of top flight football without fear of relegation, then the nineties, le tiss, last day survival year after year, eventual relegation, near liquidation, championship, league one, losing at home to Plymouth, going to dagenham, Exeter, etc etc. anyone who wants to grizzle about having 100 million in the bank, RK in charge and a billionaire owner should just go and support liverhampton.[/p][/quote]Me too, remember it well. Those of us that age have been waiting thirty years for those times to return. Some of us think they were just about to, and we've facked it up.[/p][/quote]No we haven't Seed. When NC and MOPO were running the show we had the confidence in them to think they knew best and would only do what was best for the club. They didn't stick to their end of the bargain - we did ours we trusted them. As a result of a good season the big boys stepped in and seduced our best and brightest with figures that even Mourinho couldn't bring himself to compete with. - We had no real option but to let them go, as much as we all wanted all sorts of dire actions to compel them to stay. Katharina rang out the bells of change and a few players left. We are now well equipped to replace them and more. We didn't do anything wrong - it is just inevitable in football. A mate of mine reminded me the same thing happened at Villa. Money doesn't talk it shouts. Better is to come Seed just have a little patience and faith mate.[/p][/quote]Ive been patient for thirty bloody years! I get the Shaw and Lallana stuff but selling Chambers is just criminal. RB and defensive mid were the only two areas with any depth, we all agreed we needed more depth not less! Im off to the pub. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 12

5:23pm Sun 27 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Costa Baz wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club. All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.
You are right about there being a cancer in the club, but you are pointing the finger at the wrong person.

Cortese, quitting in January, was the catalyst, with MoPo being the tumour that spread his malignancy throughout the squad.

In hindsight, it would have been in the club's best interest to have sacked MoPo at that time, but the board were duped by his duplicity, into thinking he may stay with the club, at least, until the end of his contract.
With rumours now surfacing, that MoPo was tapping up JRod to play at his next, new club, as early as March, I think it is becoming clear that MoPo spent the last few months unsettling the squad with a view to destroying what we had. Or putting it another way, removing one of the teams, that would have been challenging his new club for European football, from the equation.

Those that accuse the club of lacking ambition, should try looking at it from a different view point. IMO, it is the individual players, that lack ambition. They could have stayed together, as a unit, and given it another year, to see if they could crack it, and gain a European place, but they lacked the balls to do this.
Their lack of ambition saw them jumping into ready made situations, where they could play European football on the back of better players' endeavours, rather than earn it themselves.

Reed is castigated for not bringing in replacements sooner, having said that we had players lined up, but what fans fail to acknowledge is that these players may have been MoPo's choice, prior to his deciding to p1ss off.
Why should he buy players knowing that the ex manager also wanted them, and may return for them next season, and in the knowledge that they may not fit the playing style of the new manager?

Yes it is frustrating, that we are having to wait for new players, but I would sooner we wait for better quality players, than buy early and end up with dross.
Our monetary constraints, ref wages, mean that we cannot match the bigger clubs, therefore we may have to wait and see what players are available, once the big clubs have had their collective picks.
We are not at the top of the football foodchain, so have to take the best we can, when we can.

Back to the OP, yes there is a cancer in the club, but Reed is slowly but surely cutting it out, and with the right rehabilitation, the patient may return to full health.
Costa Baz - I am speechless (and that doesn't happen often). You seem to have had a change of your views and strangely I find myself agreeing with just about every word you've typed.
As sensible a post as I've read anywhere for a long time.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club. All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.[/p][/quote]You are right about there being a cancer in the club, but you are pointing the finger at the wrong person. Cortese, quitting in January, was the catalyst, with MoPo being the tumour that spread his malignancy throughout the squad. In hindsight, it would have been in the club's best interest to have sacked MoPo at that time, but the board were duped by his duplicity, into thinking he may stay with the club, at least, until the end of his contract. With rumours now surfacing, that MoPo was tapping up JRod to play at his next, new club, as early as March, I think it is becoming clear that MoPo spent the last few months unsettling the squad with a view to destroying what we had. Or putting it another way, removing one of the teams, that would have been challenging his new club for European football, from the equation. Those that accuse the club of lacking ambition, should try looking at it from a different view point. IMO, it is the individual players, that lack ambition. They could have stayed together, as a unit, and given it another year, to see if they could crack it, and gain a European place, but they lacked the balls to do this. Their lack of ambition saw them jumping into ready made situations, where they could play European football on the back of better players' endeavours, rather than earn it themselves. Reed is castigated for not bringing in replacements sooner, having said that we had players lined up, but what fans fail to acknowledge is that these players may have been MoPo's choice, prior to his deciding to p1ss off. Why should he buy players knowing that the ex manager also wanted them, and may return for them next season, and in the knowledge that they may not fit the playing style of the new manager? Yes it is frustrating, that we are having to wait for new players, but I would sooner we wait for better quality players, than buy early and end up with dross. Our monetary constraints, ref wages, mean that we cannot match the bigger clubs, therefore we may have to wait and see what players are available, once the big clubs have had their collective picks. We are not at the top of the football foodchain, so have to take the best we can, when we can. Back to the OP, yes there is a cancer in the club, but Reed is slowly but surely cutting it out, and with the right rehabilitation, the patient may return to full health.[/p][/quote]Costa Baz - I am speechless (and that doesn't happen often). You seem to have had a change of your views and strangely I find myself agreeing with just about every word you've typed. As sensible a post as I've read anywhere for a long time. jls217
  • Score: -8

5:36pm Sun 27 Jul 14

SnapperSaint says...

Whatever the letter was or wasn't, it being published by the Daily Echo has at least brought out the most sensible posts I have seen for a while on here! So well done to Mark Saunders, the Echo, and especially well done to ctsaint, East Stand benches, and pit bull (to name but a few) for bringing some calm and logical comment to the site.
Not that some of the other stuff hasn't been entertaining, but I think it was getting out of hand.
So bring on the new season and let's get talking about football games and the like! Really looking forward to it getting started! COYS!
Whatever the letter was or wasn't, it being published by the Daily Echo has at least brought out the most sensible posts I have seen for a while on here! So well done to Mark Saunders, the Echo, and especially well done to ctsaint, East Stand benches, and pit bull (to name but a few) for bringing some calm and logical comment to the site. Not that some of the other stuff hasn't been entertaining, but I think it was getting out of hand. So bring on the new season and let's get talking about football games and the like! Really looking forward to it getting started! COYS! SnapperSaint
  • Score: 3

5:37pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Why are some of you knocking this poor chaps letter? I've read it a couple of times and he has certainly not been rude or thrown accusations left right and centre. It seems to be tinged with sadness rather than anger. Give him a break he's devastated by what's been allowed to happen to the club he loves.
Seed, it's not a bad letter, it's not really newsworthy or insightful, it doesn't articulate much beyond basic emotion and fails to take into account some facts. "Club being torn apart" hardly, "all it needed was a tiny bit of investment"....... You run your own show, go double your wage bill, hire 4 more big hitters and pray you at least double turnover to cover costs......is that a "tiny" investment.....I have changed my mind having re-read the letter ......it's drivel.
That's a tad harsh. I'd prefer to say it's emotional rather than drivel! Surely that's the whole thing of being a football fan, it is about emotion. I could write a far more business like letter to the club asking about ROI expectations, cash-flow forecasts, growth strategies etc and I'd either get no reply or a brush off. One of the things I didn't like about Cortese was the excessive secrecy and that appears to be still with us even if the vision isn't.
I believe that all fans want the same thing, we all have differing views and expectations . Whilst I do indulge in blind optimism and dream, I don't ever let it become unhinged from reality. The mail is a one sided emotional view and as I said doesn't deal with the facts that are out there in our revenue vs wages figures for last year and what we would need to do to actually keep the players and buy more , better players to add to the squad. It's unhealthy and not really helpful as it perpetuates the doom and criticism that in many peoples minds is unwarranted, concern yes, disappointment obviously , searching for mystic conspiracy or expecting the club to tell us anything beyond what we already know is delusional in my opinion.

As my post earlier says, they can't give us more detail as it prejudices any current dealings. Cortese ran a tight ship and played a key part in our ascent, I assume ( as I don't know) that he lost the strategy debate as it wasn't his cash.

What would you be saying at this stage ? Fully considering the implications to the fans, the current squad and any targets/want aways?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Why are some of you knocking this poor chaps letter? I've read it a couple of times and he has certainly not been rude or thrown accusations left right and centre. It seems to be tinged with sadness rather than anger. Give him a break he's devastated by what's been allowed to happen to the club he loves.[/p][/quote]Seed, it's not a bad letter, it's not really newsworthy or insightful, it doesn't articulate much beyond basic emotion and fails to take into account some facts. "Club being torn apart" hardly, "all it needed was a tiny bit of investment"....... You run your own show, go double your wage bill, hire 4 more big hitters and pray you at least double turnover to cover costs......is that a "tiny" investment.....I have changed my mind having re-read the letter ......it's drivel.[/p][/quote]That's a tad harsh. I'd prefer to say it's emotional rather than drivel! Surely that's the whole thing of being a football fan, it is about emotion. I could write a far more business like letter to the club asking about ROI expectations, cash-flow forecasts, growth strategies etc and I'd either get no reply or a brush off. One of the things I didn't like about Cortese was the excessive secrecy and that appears to be still with us even if the vision isn't.[/p][/quote]I believe that all fans want the same thing, we all have differing views and expectations . Whilst I do indulge in blind optimism and dream, I don't ever let it become unhinged from reality. The mail is a one sided emotional view and as I said doesn't deal with the facts that are out there in our revenue vs wages figures for last year and what we would need to do to actually keep the players and buy more , better players to add to the squad. It's unhealthy and not really helpful as it perpetuates the doom and criticism that in many peoples minds is unwarranted, concern yes, disappointment obviously , searching for mystic conspiracy or expecting the club to tell us anything beyond what we already know is delusional in my opinion. As my post earlier says, they can't give us more detail as it prejudices any current dealings. Cortese ran a tight ship and played a key part in our ascent, I assume ( as I don't know) that he lost the strategy debate as it wasn't his cash. What would you be saying at this stage ? Fully considering the implications to the fans, the current squad and any targets/want aways? ctsaint
  • Score: -9

5:38pm Sun 27 Jul 14

pitbull says...

Costa Baz wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club. All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.
You are right about there being a cancer in the club, but you are pointing the finger at the wrong person.

Cortese, quitting in January, was the catalyst, with MoPo being the tumour that spread his malignancy throughout the squad.

In hindsight, it would have been in the club's best interest to have sacked MoPo at that time, but the board were duped by his duplicity, into thinking he may stay with the club, at least, until the end of his contract.
With rumours now surfacing, that MoPo was tapping up JRod to play at his next, new club, as early as March, I think it is becoming clear that MoPo spent the last few months unsettling the squad with a view to destroying what we had. Or putting it another way, removing one of the teams, that would have been challenging his new club for European football, from the equation.

Those that accuse the club of lacking ambition, should try looking at it from a different view point. IMO, it is the individual players, that lack ambition. They could have stayed together, as a unit, and given it another year, to see if they could crack it, and gain a European place, but they lacked the balls to do this.
Their lack of ambition saw them jumping into ready made situations, where they could play European football on the back of better players' endeavours, rather than earn it themselves.

Reed is castigated for not bringing in replacements sooner, having said that we had players lined up, but what fans fail to acknowledge is that these players may have been MoPo's choice, prior to his deciding to p1ss off.
Why should he buy players knowing that the ex manager also wanted them, and may return for them next season, and in the knowledge that they may not fit the playing style of the new manager?

Yes it is frustrating, that we are having to wait for new players, but I would sooner we wait for better quality players, than buy early and end up with dross.
Our monetary constraints, ref wages, mean that we cannot match the bigger clubs, therefore we may have to wait and see what players are available, once the big clubs have had their collective picks.
We are not at the top of the football foodchain, so have to take the best we can, when we can.

Back to the OP, yes there is a cancer in the club, but Reed is slowly but surely cutting it out, and with the right rehabilitation, the patient may return to full health.
I think you're near enough spot on with this summary.
The only thing I would add is that the previous manager would also want wreck the team that Adkins and Pardew built so it looks like he was/is the best manager Saints have ever had.

With all the little tidbits that are emerging about what he got up to while he was our manager it's all falling into place.

There are still the few that think the previous chairman and manager are the best thing in football but I think they're more doggy doo's than the dogs danglies.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club. All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.[/p][/quote]You are right about there being a cancer in the club, but you are pointing the finger at the wrong person. Cortese, quitting in January, was the catalyst, with MoPo being the tumour that spread his malignancy throughout the squad. In hindsight, it would have been in the club's best interest to have sacked MoPo at that time, but the board were duped by his duplicity, into thinking he may stay with the club, at least, until the end of his contract. With rumours now surfacing, that MoPo was tapping up JRod to play at his next, new club, as early as March, I think it is becoming clear that MoPo spent the last few months unsettling the squad with a view to destroying what we had. Or putting it another way, removing one of the teams, that would have been challenging his new club for European football, from the equation. Those that accuse the club of lacking ambition, should try looking at it from a different view point. IMO, it is the individual players, that lack ambition. They could have stayed together, as a unit, and given it another year, to see if they could crack it, and gain a European place, but they lacked the balls to do this. Their lack of ambition saw them jumping into ready made situations, where they could play European football on the back of better players' endeavours, rather than earn it themselves. Reed is castigated for not bringing in replacements sooner, having said that we had players lined up, but what fans fail to acknowledge is that these players may have been MoPo's choice, prior to his deciding to p1ss off. Why should he buy players knowing that the ex manager also wanted them, and may return for them next season, and in the knowledge that they may not fit the playing style of the new manager? Yes it is frustrating, that we are having to wait for new players, but I would sooner we wait for better quality players, than buy early and end up with dross. Our monetary constraints, ref wages, mean that we cannot match the bigger clubs, therefore we may have to wait and see what players are available, once the big clubs have had their collective picks. We are not at the top of the football foodchain, so have to take the best we can, when we can. Back to the OP, yes there is a cancer in the club, but Reed is slowly but surely cutting it out, and with the right rehabilitation, the patient may return to full health.[/p][/quote]I think you're near enough spot on with this summary. The only thing I would add is that the previous manager would also want wreck the team that Adkins and Pardew built so it looks like he was/is the best manager Saints have ever had. With all the little tidbits that are emerging about what he got up to while he was our manager it's all falling into place. There are still the few that think the previous chairman and manager are the best thing in football but I think they're more doggy doo's than the dogs danglies. pitbull
  • Score: -12

5:38pm Sun 27 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Why are some of you knocking this poor chaps letter? I've read it a couple of times and he has certainly not been rude or thrown accusations left right and centre. It seems to be tinged with sadness rather than anger. Give him a break he's devastated by what's been allowed to happen to the club he loves.
Good point Seed. I don't agree with the conclusions he has drawn but you can tell the bloke loves the club every bit as much as we do and is just worried about recent events (are there any of us truly happy with what has happened at the club? I think not)
There have been some great, explanations posted here and hopefully he can get the supportive answers to his anxieties from them.
What has happened has been bloody awful and I hope I never see Saints and our fans treated by certain players and a manager in that manner ever again.
There may still be some after shocks yet but the management team will slowly but surely apply the sticking platers and I really do think we're in for a fun season (maybe not overly successful in the first year with the Rambo bros in charge but it will be fun and the season to follow once his new faces have bedded themselves in we will be a team to be reckoned with again.
Saints is in a better position now than it has been since around Xmas time. Maybe we should all be a little grateful it could have turned out a lot worse than this if half of what the doom merchants were preaching was right. Thanks for defending the bloke.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Why are some of you knocking this poor chaps letter? I've read it a couple of times and he has certainly not been rude or thrown accusations left right and centre. It seems to be tinged with sadness rather than anger. Give him a break he's devastated by what's been allowed to happen to the club he loves.[/p][/quote]Good point Seed. I don't agree with the conclusions he has drawn but you can tell the bloke loves the club every bit as much as we do and is just worried about recent events (are there any of us truly happy with what has happened at the club? I think not) There have been some great, explanations posted here and hopefully he can get the supportive answers to his anxieties from them. What has happened has been bloody awful and I hope I never see Saints and our fans treated by certain players and a manager in that manner ever again. There may still be some after shocks yet but the management team will slowly but surely apply the sticking platers and I really do think we're in for a fun season (maybe not overly successful in the first year with the Rambo bros in charge but it will be fun and the season to follow once his new faces have bedded themselves in we will be a team to be reckoned with again. Saints is in a better position now than it has been since around Xmas time. Maybe we should all be a little grateful it could have turned out a lot worse than this if half of what the doom merchants were preaching was right. Thanks for defending the bloke. jls217
  • Score: -5

5:47pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Norwegian Saint says...

This season we regroup and 2015/16 we push on.
If (and it's a big IF) we are in trouble at Christmas we open the bank and spend, this season is just to settle things again. The last five years have been better and better... now let's just consolidate our premier league status and look forward!
This season we regroup and 2015/16 we push on. If (and it's a big IF) we are in trouble at Christmas we open the bank and spend, this season is just to settle things again. The last five years have been better and better... now let's just consolidate our premier league status and look forward! Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 2

5:49pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Rooflas says...

It's not nice but if we are all realistic, unless a rich sheik with endless pockets comes in we are not able to compete with the top 7 clubs in this country. I'd rather look at it that we are in the top 10 of the 92 league teams! We can still compete in the premier league playing attractive football and picking up little gems here and there. Yes it is a kick in the guts that players have been rejecting our club for so called brighter lights, remember not all the bright lights are going to do well.
It's not nice but if we are all realistic, unless a rich sheik with endless pockets comes in we are not able to compete with the top 7 clubs in this country. I'd rather look at it that we are in the top 10 of the 92 league teams! We can still compete in the premier league playing attractive football and picking up little gems here and there. Yes it is a kick in the guts that players have been rejecting our club for so called brighter lights, remember not all the bright lights are going to do well. Rooflas
  • Score: 7

5:55pm Sun 27 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
No doubt Mark Saunders is an honest, sincere and genuine person, but he does not appear to have a clear idea what is going and I cannot fathom why his opinions have been given such prominence. Unless the Echo is warming itself to stir up another of its effluent storms?
He doesn't have a clear idea Dave, like the rest of us, because of the appalling lack of communication from the club which naturally leads to speculation. Obviously we can't expect them to say we are in for X or Y for very obvious reasons, but they could give us an appraisal of what their stance is and aims and ambitions going forward.
I think Seed may be right Dave. We'd be silly to expect Freddie to have weekly briefings and to be honest the less he says the better. Rambo has been more open with the films etc on FB and youtube. I wonder if there might be the chance for a weekly managers brief printed in the Pink or some such. Just a thought. Fans have to understand there are things in any company which are not for public consumption and the briefings would run the risk of being bland, corporate speak meaningless nonsense - just like the players are taught to spout nowadays when they are interviewed, but I'd like to see the club try it out.
Glad this letter has been given the space because for the first time since joining the forum I'm seeing more positive, common sensical views and opinions than I've seen from the negative, multi ID, fraternity who seem to have nothing to contribute.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: No doubt Mark Saunders is an honest, sincere and genuine person, but he does not appear to have a clear idea what is going and I cannot fathom why his opinions have been given such prominence. Unless the Echo is warming itself to stir up another of its effluent storms?[/p][/quote]He doesn't have a clear idea Dave, like the rest of us, because of the appalling lack of communication from the club which naturally leads to speculation. Obviously we can't expect them to say we are in for X or Y for very obvious reasons, but they could give us an appraisal of what their stance is and aims and ambitions going forward.[/p][/quote]I think Seed may be right Dave. We'd be silly to expect Freddie to have weekly briefings and to be honest the less he says the better. Rambo has been more open with the films etc on FB and youtube. I wonder if there might be the chance for a weekly managers brief printed in the Pink or some such. Just a thought. Fans have to understand there are things in any company which are not for public consumption and the briefings would run the risk of being bland, corporate speak meaningless nonsense - just like the players are taught to spout nowadays when they are interviewed, but I'd like to see the club try it out. Glad this letter has been given the space because for the first time since joining the forum I'm seeing more positive, common sensical views and opinions than I've seen from the negative, multi ID, fraternity who seem to have nothing to contribute. jls217
  • Score: -11

5:57pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

Rooflas wrote:
It's not nice but if we are all realistic, unless a rich sheik with endless pockets comes in we are not able to compete with the top 7 clubs in this country. I'd rather look at it that we are in the top 10 of the 92 league teams! We can still compete in the premier league playing attractive football and picking up little gems here and there. Yes it is a kick in the guts that players have been rejecting our club for so called brighter lights, remember not all the bright lights are going to do well.
I am afraid that even if that happened, with the advent of FFP we couldn't replicate what chelski and Man C have done, we don't have the fan base to generate the revenue fast enough and we would be fined and or banned from European competition , sanctioned with regards to our squad and transfer dealings etc etc .

There's only one way to build a club, and I am afraid it's the same rules as running a business, doesn't matter what you invest, you have to be realistic about your market and your customer acquisition and growth, in plain English you need a return.
[quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: It's not nice but if we are all realistic, unless a rich sheik with endless pockets comes in we are not able to compete with the top 7 clubs in this country. I'd rather look at it that we are in the top 10 of the 92 league teams! We can still compete in the premier league playing attractive football and picking up little gems here and there. Yes it is a kick in the guts that players have been rejecting our club for so called brighter lights, remember not all the bright lights are going to do well.[/p][/quote]I am afraid that even if that happened, with the advent of FFP we couldn't replicate what chelski and Man C have done, we don't have the fan base to generate the revenue fast enough and we would be fined and or banned from European competition , sanctioned with regards to our squad and transfer dealings etc etc . There's only one way to build a club, and I am afraid it's the same rules as running a business, doesn't matter what you invest, you have to be realistic about your market and your customer acquisition and growth, in plain English you need a return. ctsaint
  • Score: -5

6:07pm Sun 27 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
East stand benches wrote:
I'm lucky enough(or unlucky enough) to be old enough to remember finishing runners up in 84, also the cup semis of 84 and 86, the numerous years of top flight football without fear of relegation, then the nineties, le tiss, last day survival year after year, eventual relegation, near liquidation, championship, league one, losing at home to Plymouth, going to dagenham, Exeter, etc etc. anyone who wants to grizzle about having 100 million in the bank, RK in charge and a billionaire owner should just go and support liverhampton.
Me too, remember it well. Those of us that age have been waiting thirty years for those times to return. Some of us think they were just about to, and we've facked it up.
No we haven't Seed. When NC and MOPO were running the show we had the confidence in them to think they knew best and would only do what was best for the club. They didn't stick to their end of the bargain - we did ours we trusted them.
As a result of a good season the big boys stepped in and seduced our best and brightest with figures that even Mourinho couldn't bring himself to compete with. - We had no real option but to let them go, as much as we all wanted all sorts of dire actions to compel them to stay.
Katharina rang out the bells of change and a few players left. We are now well equipped to replace them and more. We didn't do anything wrong - it is just inevitable in football. A mate of mine reminded me the same thing happened at Villa. Money doesn't talk it shouts.
Better is to come Seed just have a little patience and faith mate.
Ive been patient for thirty bloody years! I get the Shaw and Lallana stuff but selling Chambers is just criminal. RB and defensive mid were the only two areas with any depth, we all agreed we needed more depth not less!

Im off to the pub.
As have most of us Seed. 16m is a great price for an untested youngster. What if we'd kept him and he flopped and suddenly his price was under a mill? With Clyne I think we have the most underrated defender in the PL and I couldn't see Chambers pushing him off that spot. How long would Chambers have been happy at that and if he proved to be the next big thing how long before someone offered him 80k plus a week and took him away. I'd rather he stayed for footballing reasons but the right decision business wise is to let him go if 16m is what is being offered. Our MF is pretty tight even if we just accept that Spyder is a goner, he might surprise us all and stay which means we probably don't need to worry about MF - maybe Rambo sees it differently and he wants his own men in or knows a 7/8M youngster who will fetch 20mill in a couple of years. It's all about money unfortunately.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: I'm lucky enough(or unlucky enough) to be old enough to remember finishing runners up in 84, also the cup semis of 84 and 86, the numerous years of top flight football without fear of relegation, then the nineties, le tiss, last day survival year after year, eventual relegation, near liquidation, championship, league one, losing at home to Plymouth, going to dagenham, Exeter, etc etc. anyone who wants to grizzle about having 100 million in the bank, RK in charge and a billionaire owner should just go and support liverhampton.[/p][/quote]Me too, remember it well. Those of us that age have been waiting thirty years for those times to return. Some of us think they were just about to, and we've facked it up.[/p][/quote]No we haven't Seed. When NC and MOPO were running the show we had the confidence in them to think they knew best and would only do what was best for the club. They didn't stick to their end of the bargain - we did ours we trusted them. As a result of a good season the big boys stepped in and seduced our best and brightest with figures that even Mourinho couldn't bring himself to compete with. - We had no real option but to let them go, as much as we all wanted all sorts of dire actions to compel them to stay. Katharina rang out the bells of change and a few players left. We are now well equipped to replace them and more. We didn't do anything wrong - it is just inevitable in football. A mate of mine reminded me the same thing happened at Villa. Money doesn't talk it shouts. Better is to come Seed just have a little patience and faith mate.[/p][/quote]Ive been patient for thirty bloody years! I get the Shaw and Lallana stuff but selling Chambers is just criminal. RB and defensive mid were the only two areas with any depth, we all agreed we needed more depth not less! Im off to the pub.[/p][/quote]As have most of us Seed. 16m is a great price for an untested youngster. What if we'd kept him and he flopped and suddenly his price was under a mill? With Clyne I think we have the most underrated defender in the PL and I couldn't see Chambers pushing him off that spot. How long would Chambers have been happy at that and if he proved to be the next big thing how long before someone offered him 80k plus a week and took him away. I'd rather he stayed for footballing reasons but the right decision business wise is to let him go if 16m is what is being offered. Our MF is pretty tight even if we just accept that Spyder is a goner, he might surprise us all and stay which means we probably don't need to worry about MF - maybe Rambo sees it differently and he wants his own men in or knows a 7/8M youngster who will fetch 20mill in a couple of years. It's all about money unfortunately. jls217
  • Score: -5

6:13pm Sun 27 Jul 14

montecristosaint says...

Costa Baz wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club. All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.
You are right about there being a cancer in the club, but you are pointing the finger at the wrong person.

Cortese, quitting in January, was the catalyst, with MoPo being the tumour that spread his malignancy throughout the squad.

In hindsight, it would have been in the club's best interest to have sacked MoPo at that time, but the board were duped by his duplicity, into thinking he may stay with the club, at least, until the end of his contract.
With rumours now surfacing, that MoPo was tapping up JRod to play at his next, new club, as early as March, I think it is becoming clear that MoPo spent the last few months unsettling the squad with a view to destroying what we had. Or putting it another way, removing one of the teams, that would have been challenging his new club for European football, from the equation.

Those that accuse the club of lacking ambition, should try looking at it from a different view point. IMO, it is the individual players, that lack ambition. They could have stayed together, as a unit, and given it another year, to see if they could crack it, and gain a European place, but they lacked the balls to do this.
Their lack of ambition saw them jumping into ready made situations, where they could play European football on the back of better players' endeavours, rather than earn it themselves.

Reed is castigated for not bringing in replacements sooner, having said that we had players lined up, but what fans fail to acknowledge is that these players may have been MoPo's choice, prior to his deciding to p1ss off.
Why should he buy players knowing that the ex manager also wanted them, and may return for them next season, and in the knowledge that they may not fit the playing style of the new manager?

Yes it is frustrating, that we are having to wait for new players, but I would sooner we wait for better quality players, than buy early and end up with dross.
Our monetary constraints, ref wages, mean that we cannot match the bigger clubs, therefore we may have to wait and see what players are available, once the big clubs have had their collective picks.
We are not at the top of the football foodchain, so have to take the best we can, when we can.

Back to the OP, yes there is a cancer in the club, but Reed is slowly but surely cutting it out, and with the right rehabilitation, the patient may return to full health.
Costa Baz do you alway support the powers that be at the club, strikes me you didnt say a word against Cortese while he was in charge. or do you work for the club???
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club. All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.[/p][/quote]You are right about there being a cancer in the club, but you are pointing the finger at the wrong person. Cortese, quitting in January, was the catalyst, with MoPo being the tumour that spread his malignancy throughout the squad. In hindsight, it would have been in the club's best interest to have sacked MoPo at that time, but the board were duped by his duplicity, into thinking he may stay with the club, at least, until the end of his contract. With rumours now surfacing, that MoPo was tapping up JRod to play at his next, new club, as early as March, I think it is becoming clear that MoPo spent the last few months unsettling the squad with a view to destroying what we had. Or putting it another way, removing one of the teams, that would have been challenging his new club for European football, from the equation. Those that accuse the club of lacking ambition, should try looking at it from a different view point. IMO, it is the individual players, that lack ambition. They could have stayed together, as a unit, and given it another year, to see if they could crack it, and gain a European place, but they lacked the balls to do this. Their lack of ambition saw them jumping into ready made situations, where they could play European football on the back of better players' endeavours, rather than earn it themselves. Reed is castigated for not bringing in replacements sooner, having said that we had players lined up, but what fans fail to acknowledge is that these players may have been MoPo's choice, prior to his deciding to p1ss off. Why should he buy players knowing that the ex manager also wanted them, and may return for them next season, and in the knowledge that they may not fit the playing style of the new manager? Yes it is frustrating, that we are having to wait for new players, but I would sooner we wait for better quality players, than buy early and end up with dross. Our monetary constraints, ref wages, mean that we cannot match the bigger clubs, therefore we may have to wait and see what players are available, once the big clubs have had their collective picks. We are not at the top of the football foodchain, so have to take the best we can, when we can. Back to the OP, yes there is a cancer in the club, but Reed is slowly but surely cutting it out, and with the right rehabilitation, the patient may return to full health.[/p][/quote]Costa Baz do you alway support the powers that be at the club, strikes me you didnt say a word against Cortese while he was in charge. or do you work for the club??? montecristosaint
  • Score: 9

6:13pm Sun 27 Jul 14

montecristosaint says...

Costa Baz wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote:
Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club. All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.
You are right about there being a cancer in the club, but you are pointing the finger at the wrong person.

Cortese, quitting in January, was the catalyst, with MoPo being the tumour that spread his malignancy throughout the squad.

In hindsight, it would have been in the club's best interest to have sacked MoPo at that time, but the board were duped by his duplicity, into thinking he may stay with the club, at least, until the end of his contract.
With rumours now surfacing, that MoPo was tapping up JRod to play at his next, new club, as early as March, I think it is becoming clear that MoPo spent the last few months unsettling the squad with a view to destroying what we had. Or putting it another way, removing one of the teams, that would have been challenging his new club for European football, from the equation.

Those that accuse the club of lacking ambition, should try looking at it from a different view point. IMO, it is the individual players, that lack ambition. They could have stayed together, as a unit, and given it another year, to see if they could crack it, and gain a European place, but they lacked the balls to do this.
Their lack of ambition saw them jumping into ready made situations, where they could play European football on the back of better players' endeavours, rather than earn it themselves.

Reed is castigated for not bringing in replacements sooner, having said that we had players lined up, but what fans fail to acknowledge is that these players may have been MoPo's choice, prior to his deciding to p1ss off.
Why should he buy players knowing that the ex manager also wanted them, and may return for them next season, and in the knowledge that they may not fit the playing style of the new manager?

Yes it is frustrating, that we are having to wait for new players, but I would sooner we wait for better quality players, than buy early and end up with dross.
Our monetary constraints, ref wages, mean that we cannot match the bigger clubs, therefore we may have to wait and see what players are available, once the big clubs have had their collective picks.
We are not at the top of the football foodchain, so have to take the best we can, when we can.

Back to the OP, yes there is a cancer in the club, but Reed is slowly but surely cutting it out, and with the right rehabilitation, the patient may return to full health.
Costa Baz do you alway support the powers that be at the club, strikes me you didnt say a word against Cortese while he was in charge. or do you work for the club???
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club. All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.[/p][/quote]You are right about there being a cancer in the club, but you are pointing the finger at the wrong person. Cortese, quitting in January, was the catalyst, with MoPo being the tumour that spread his malignancy throughout the squad. In hindsight, it would have been in the club's best interest to have sacked MoPo at that time, but the board were duped by his duplicity, into thinking he may stay with the club, at least, until the end of his contract. With rumours now surfacing, that MoPo was tapping up JRod to play at his next, new club, as early as March, I think it is becoming clear that MoPo spent the last few months unsettling the squad with a view to destroying what we had. Or putting it another way, removing one of the teams, that would have been challenging his new club for European football, from the equation. Those that accuse the club of lacking ambition, should try looking at it from a different view point. IMO, it is the individual players, that lack ambition. They could have stayed together, as a unit, and given it another year, to see if they could crack it, and gain a European place, but they lacked the balls to do this. Their lack of ambition saw them jumping into ready made situations, where they could play European football on the back of better players' endeavours, rather than earn it themselves. Reed is castigated for not bringing in replacements sooner, having said that we had players lined up, but what fans fail to acknowledge is that these players may have been MoPo's choice, prior to his deciding to p1ss off. Why should he buy players knowing that the ex manager also wanted them, and may return for them next season, and in the knowledge that they may not fit the playing style of the new manager? Yes it is frustrating, that we are having to wait for new players, but I would sooner we wait for better quality players, than buy early and end up with dross. Our monetary constraints, ref wages, mean that we cannot match the bigger clubs, therefore we may have to wait and see what players are available, once the big clubs have had their collective picks. We are not at the top of the football foodchain, so have to take the best we can, when we can. Back to the OP, yes there is a cancer in the club, but Reed is slowly but surely cutting it out, and with the right rehabilitation, the patient may return to full health.[/p][/quote]Costa Baz do you alway support the powers that be at the club, strikes me you didnt say a word against Cortese while he was in charge. or do you work for the club??? montecristosaint
  • Score: 8

6:16pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Forest Saint says...

With the sale of Chambers, Lovren, Schneiderlin, Rodriguez and Fonte imminent, hopefully the deluded fans amongst you who are still supporting Ms Liebherr, Les Reed and the other cronies will realise that our wonderful club is in freefall and spiralling towards disaster.
With the sale of Chambers, Lovren, Schneiderlin, Rodriguez and Fonte imminent, hopefully the deluded fans amongst you who are still supporting Ms Liebherr, Les Reed and the other cronies will realise that our wonderful club is in freefall and spiralling towards disaster. Forest Saint
  • Score: 6

6:19pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ChandlersFordKev says...

Sometimes, I do wonder the logic behind some supporters minds.

Take it in a different scenario: I have a 2nd hand car, which i drive and very happy with, its valued at £5k. Then someone comes in and offers me £7.5k for my car. What do I do?

Turn it down and keep with my old car, just because I am comfortable with it? Or, cash it in and buy a similar motor for £5k, pocketing the £2.5k profit?

There is no guarantee that my old motor might not break down 2 months after selling it (not that i am wishing injuries on ex saints players off course). It may gone on for years as an excellent car and I lose out.

The new one may be a different, there's no guarantee I will like it. So what happens, I offload it for say £4k, losing £1k, but don't forget I still £2.5k extra from before.

I suppose what I am trying to ramble on about, is that everything has a price. Whether its players, cars or shares. The idea is to try and get the best you can for it at any given time. There is no guarantee that the players sold, will go and be a hit. The same way that, if we kept that player he might have an awful season this year.
Sometimes, I do wonder the logic behind some supporters minds. Take it in a different scenario: I have a 2nd hand car, which i drive and very happy with, its valued at £5k. Then someone comes in and offers me £7.5k for my car. What do I do? Turn it down and keep with my old car, just because I am comfortable with it? Or, cash it in and buy a similar motor for £5k, pocketing the £2.5k profit? There is no guarantee that my old motor might not break down 2 months after selling it (not that i am wishing injuries on ex saints players off course). It may gone on for years as an excellent car and I lose out. The new one may be a different, there's no guarantee I will like it. So what happens, I offload it for say £4k, losing £1k, but don't forget I still £2.5k extra from before. I suppose what I am trying to ramble on about, is that everything has a price. Whether its players, cars or shares. The idea is to try and get the best you can for it at any given time. There is no guarantee that the players sold, will go and be a hit. The same way that, if we kept that player he might have an awful season this year. ChandlersFordKev
  • Score: 3

6:19pm Sun 27 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

Forest Saint wrote:
With the sale of Chambers, Lovren, Schneiderlin, Rodriguez and Fonte imminent, hopefully the deluded fans amongst you who are still supporting Ms Liebherr, Les Reed and the other cronies will realise that our wonderful club is in freefall and spiralling towards disaster.
Agreed .

This letter is 100% correct ...but it doesn't go far enough . Im sure we will sign 2/3 more players ,but they wont be of the quality we let go . Liebherr and co have torn this club apart . Its time for her to sell up.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: With the sale of Chambers, Lovren, Schneiderlin, Rodriguez and Fonte imminent, hopefully the deluded fans amongst you who are still supporting Ms Liebherr, Les Reed and the other cronies will realise that our wonderful club is in freefall and spiralling towards disaster.[/p][/quote]Agreed . This letter is 100% correct ...but it doesn't go far enough . Im sure we will sign 2/3 more players ,but they wont be of the quality we let go . Liebherr and co have torn this club apart . Its time for her to sell up. jasons odd
  • Score: 4

6:21pm Sun 27 Jul 14

tharg64 says...

Suggest everyone reads the sport section of the Sunday Times - gives a more positive view & potential benefits of the mass exodus.

If other clubs are stupid enough to pay massively over the odds for our players, then let's hope they end up with egg on their faces when things don't turn out as they expect.

COYR's!
Suggest everyone reads the sport section of the Sunday Times - gives a more positive view & potential benefits of the mass exodus. If other clubs are stupid enough to pay massively over the odds for our players, then let's hope they end up with egg on their faces when things don't turn out as they expect. COYR's! tharg64
  • Score: 3

6:24pm Sun 27 Jul 14

East stand benches says...

It seems to me that any transfer from saints nowadays warrants a massively over inflated fee. I think we are being perceived as the gold standard in quality when it comes to our produce. We are seen as the Rolls Royce of cars, the Belgian of chocolates, the Swiss watch, the Bordeaux grape and even the good old hampshire strawberry. Thanks to our now world famous academy and the world record transfer fee paid for one of its graduates, we have built ourselves a reputation as one of the finest purveyors of quality players in world football. We have indeed created a cash cow which should be milked for every last drop. Let the big clubs pay dopey money for average players, there is plenty more milk in the udder!
It seems to me that any transfer from saints nowadays warrants a massively over inflated fee. I think we are being perceived as the gold standard in quality when it comes to our produce. We are seen as the Rolls Royce of cars, the Belgian of chocolates, the Swiss watch, the Bordeaux grape and even the good old hampshire strawberry. Thanks to our now world famous academy and the world record transfer fee paid for one of its graduates, we have built ourselves a reputation as one of the finest purveyors of quality players in world football. We have indeed created a cash cow which should be milked for every last drop. Let the big clubs pay dopey money for average players, there is plenty more milk in the udder! East stand benches
  • Score: -1

6:27pm Sun 27 Jul 14

InsideOutCat says...

pitbull wrote:
I must admit, it all seems to be falling apart but when I sit and think about it, it doesn't seem that bad.
I'll start off with Lallana, he was a great player for us, but only for about 70 minutes a game. He showed total disrespect for the club and fans and demanded a move away.
Will he be a success at Liverpool, I have my doubts. Was he worth the transfer fee, I don't think so.
He was replaced by Tadic, a similar type of player who is equal in quality if not slightly better.

Rickie Lambert, left the club with his head held high and his reputation intact, I can only wish him well in twilight of his career.
Replaced by Pelle, a slightly younger player of equal quality to Lambert who could quite easily become a Saints favourite.

Luke Shaw, no doubt a great talent in the making but I found him a bit frustrating for Saints, bombing down the wing only to stop and pass the ball backwards.
Although he demanded a move and big money, at least he kept his mouth shut in the press.
Replaced by Matt Target, from what I saw against Bournmouth we've got an able replacement for Shaw. I'm quite excited about this guy.

Lovren, no doubt a quality player for us but as a human being shows a total lack of class.
Seems very immature with his comments about his head being elsewhere.
Easily replaceable with the fee for him.

Chambers, no doubt another great prospect but with Clyne as his competition it didn't surprise me to see one of them leave.
Perhaps the lure of big money sitting on Arsenals bench was more than playing half a season for the Saints.

Schneiderlin, he apparently wants to go to secure his international chances. With the amount of midfield quality available to the French it wouldn't matter where Morgan plays his football.
If he does go, we still have Cork and Wanyama in the same position.

Rodriguez, after the support from both club and fans after his injury I would be very disappointed if he left.

So far we have sold 3 players, bought in two and promoted a few from the under 21s.
We will buy in a few more players, it's frustrating waiting but I'm sure they will come.

Is it more unsettling for the club to have a few new players or a few that don't want to play for Southampton, I'd prefer the new players for sure.
Spot on Pitbull. It gets so far up my goat that I can barely breath to see all the bile and aimless blamethrowing on here from people who are truly convinced that they a) should be told about every thought that the owner, board and manager has about the future of the club, and b) that they know more than the owner, board and manager about how it should be done. We've got very good money for some good players. We've bought in some equally good players for less money. Anyone who thinks they know better should be buying their own football club .... oh, hang on, then they might discover whingeing isn't as much fun when it's their own money involved. They might discover that "ambition" is not the same as spending money like it's going out of fashion. That's what happened to Portsmouth.
[quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: I must admit, it all seems to be falling apart but when I sit and think about it, it doesn't seem that bad. I'll start off with Lallana, he was a great player for us, but only for about 70 minutes a game. He showed total disrespect for the club and fans and demanded a move away. Will he be a success at Liverpool, I have my doubts. Was he worth the transfer fee, I don't think so. He was replaced by Tadic, a similar type of player who is equal in quality if not slightly better. Rickie Lambert, left the club with his head held high and his reputation intact, I can only wish him well in twilight of his career. Replaced by Pelle, a slightly younger player of equal quality to Lambert who could quite easily become a Saints favourite. Luke Shaw, no doubt a great talent in the making but I found him a bit frustrating for Saints, bombing down the wing only to stop and pass the ball backwards. Although he demanded a move and big money, at least he kept his mouth shut in the press. Replaced by Matt Target, from what I saw against Bournmouth we've got an able replacement for Shaw. I'm quite excited about this guy. Lovren, no doubt a quality player for us but as a human being shows a total lack of class. Seems very immature with his comments about his head being elsewhere. Easily replaceable with the fee for him. Chambers, no doubt another great prospect but with Clyne as his competition it didn't surprise me to see one of them leave. Perhaps the lure of big money sitting on Arsenals bench was more than playing half a season for the Saints. Schneiderlin, he apparently wants to go to secure his international chances. With the amount of midfield quality available to the French it wouldn't matter where Morgan plays his football. If he does go, we still have Cork and Wanyama in the same position. Rodriguez, after the support from both club and fans after his injury I would be very disappointed if he left. So far we have sold 3 players, bought in two and promoted a few from the under 21s. We will buy in a few more players, it's frustrating waiting but I'm sure they will come. Is it more unsettling for the club to have a few new players or a few that don't want to play for Southampton, I'd prefer the new players for sure.[/p][/quote]Spot on Pitbull. It gets so far up my goat that I can barely breath to see all the bile and aimless blamethrowing on here from people who are truly convinced that they a) should be told about every thought that the owner, board and manager has about the future of the club, and b) that they know more than the owner, board and manager about how it should be done. We've got very good money for some good players. We've bought in some equally good players for less money. Anyone who thinks they know better should be buying their own football club .... oh, hang on, then they might discover whingeing isn't as much fun when it's their own money involved. They might discover that "ambition" is not the same as spending money like it's going out of fashion. That's what happened to Portsmouth. InsideOutCat
  • Score: -5

6:31pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Forest Saint says...

jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
East stand benches wrote:
I'm lucky enough(or unlucky enough) to be old enough to remember finishing runners up in 84, also the cup semis of 84 and 86, the numerous years of top flight football without fear of relegation, then the nineties, le tiss, last day survival year after year, eventual relegation, near liquidation, championship, league one, losing at home to Plymouth, going to dagenham, Exeter, etc etc. anyone who wants to grizzle about having 100 million in the bank, RK in charge and a billionaire owner should just go and support liverhampton.
Me too, remember it well. Those of us that age have been waiting thirty years for those times to return. Some of us think they were just about to, and we've facked it up.
No we haven't Seed. When NC and MOPO were running the show we had the confidence in them to think they knew best and would only do what was best for the club. They didn't stick to their end of the bargain - we did ours we trusted them.
As a result of a good season the big boys stepped in and seduced our best and brightest with figures that even Mourinho couldn't bring himself to compete with. - We had no real option but to let them go, as much as we all wanted all sorts of dire actions to compel them to stay.
Katharina rang out the bells of change and a few players left. We are now well equipped to replace them and more. We didn't do anything wrong - it is just inevitable in football. A mate of mine reminded me the same thing happened at Villa. Money doesn't talk it shouts.
Better is to come Seed just have a little patience and faith mate.
Ive been patient for thirty bloody years! I get the Shaw and Lallana stuff but selling Chambers is just criminal. RB and defensive mid were the only two areas with any depth, we all agreed we needed more depth not less!

Im off to the pub.
As have most of us Seed. 16m is a great price for an untested youngster. What if we'd kept him and he flopped and suddenly his price was under a mill? With Clyne I think we have the most underrated defender in the PL and I couldn't see Chambers pushing him off that spot. How long would Chambers have been happy at that and if he proved to be the next big thing how long before someone offered him 80k plus a week and took him away. I'd rather he stayed for footballing reasons but the right decision business wise is to let him go if 16m is what is being offered. Our MF is pretty tight even if we just accept that Spyder is a goner, he might surprise us all and stay which means we probably don't need to worry about MF - maybe Rambo sees it differently and he wants his own men in or knows a 7/8M youngster who will fetch 20mill in a couple of years. It's all about money unfortunately.
If it's good enough for Arsenal to claim to be considering using Chambers as a centre back as an alternative to right back, then it should be good enough for us! Then this fabulous youngt England talent could be accomodated in the team alongside Clyne
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: I'm lucky enough(or unlucky enough) to be old enough to remember finishing runners up in 84, also the cup semis of 84 and 86, the numerous years of top flight football without fear of relegation, then the nineties, le tiss, last day survival year after year, eventual relegation, near liquidation, championship, league one, losing at home to Plymouth, going to dagenham, Exeter, etc etc. anyone who wants to grizzle about having 100 million in the bank, RK in charge and a billionaire owner should just go and support liverhampton.[/p][/quote]Me too, remember it well. Those of us that age have been waiting thirty years for those times to return. Some of us think they were just about to, and we've facked it up.[/p][/quote]No we haven't Seed. When NC and MOPO were running the show we had the confidence in them to think they knew best and would only do what was best for the club. They didn't stick to their end of the bargain - we did ours we trusted them. As a result of a good season the big boys stepped in and seduced our best and brightest with figures that even Mourinho couldn't bring himself to compete with. - We had no real option but to let them go, as much as we all wanted all sorts of dire actions to compel them to stay. Katharina rang out the bells of change and a few players left. We are now well equipped to replace them and more. We didn't do anything wrong - it is just inevitable in football. A mate of mine reminded me the same thing happened at Villa. Money doesn't talk it shouts. Better is to come Seed just have a little patience and faith mate.[/p][/quote]Ive been patient for thirty bloody years! I get the Shaw and Lallana stuff but selling Chambers is just criminal. RB and defensive mid were the only two areas with any depth, we all agreed we needed more depth not less! Im off to the pub.[/p][/quote]As have most of us Seed. 16m is a great price for an untested youngster. What if we'd kept him and he flopped and suddenly his price was under a mill? With Clyne I think we have the most underrated defender in the PL and I couldn't see Chambers pushing him off that spot. How long would Chambers have been happy at that and if he proved to be the next big thing how long before someone offered him 80k plus a week and took him away. I'd rather he stayed for footballing reasons but the right decision business wise is to let him go if 16m is what is being offered. Our MF is pretty tight even if we just accept that Spyder is a goner, he might surprise us all and stay which means we probably don't need to worry about MF - maybe Rambo sees it differently and he wants his own men in or knows a 7/8M youngster who will fetch 20mill in a couple of years. It's all about money unfortunately.[/p][/quote]If it's good enough for Arsenal to claim to be considering using Chambers as a centre back as an alternative to right back, then it should be good enough for us! Then this fabulous youngt England talent could be accomodated in the team alongside Clyne Forest Saint
  • Score: 13

6:34pm Sun 27 Jul 14

RedPastramy says...

It is not surprising the club have shut up shop and the dialogue has dried up. Les Reed and Freddy Krueger opened their mouths and within days of speaking to the press. Both had egg on their faces. In respect to people wanting their season ticket money back (if you agree with it or not) a lot of people were swayed to purchase the tickets by Les Reed initially saying the club would decide who stayed and there would not be a fire sale and the club were in charge of the situation. So people invest in a season ticket only to find out that the club started to fall apart. Players started to leave. Admittedly for large sums of money. The real test will be how much money coming in will actually go back out. We were told that there was money put aside to improve the squad before any of players left. So you would think there should be at least £20 million on top of the money generated by sales . It will be interesting to see what happens there. Being told that the likes of Taggart and other youngsters have the chance to show what they can do doesn't impress me as much as it did in the old days. All they will do is put themselves in the shop window and with our strong reputation of being selling club . The vultures will surely be back
It is not surprising the club have shut up shop and the dialogue has dried up. Les Reed and Freddy Krueger opened their mouths and within days of speaking to the press. Both had egg on their faces. In respect to people wanting their season ticket money back (if you agree with it or not) a lot of people were swayed to purchase the tickets by Les Reed initially saying the club would decide who stayed and there would not be a fire sale and the club were in charge of the situation. So people invest in a season ticket only to find out that the club started to fall apart. Players started to leave. Admittedly for large sums of money. The real test will be how much money coming in will actually go back out. We were told that there was money put aside to improve the squad before any of players left. So you would think there should be at least £20 million on top of the money generated by sales . It will be interesting to see what happens there. Being told that the likes of Taggart and other youngsters have the chance to show what they can do doesn't impress me as much as it did in the old days. All they will do is put themselves in the shop window and with our strong reputation of being selling club . The vultures will surely be back RedPastramy
  • Score: 10

6:35pm Sun 27 Jul 14

kingkong 1 says...

GHamilton wrote:
Having read countless posts on this forum in recent days, I feel saddened by the almost complete lack of patience and belief in the owner and board of this club. Even accepting that we all time in a world of instant gratification, the reaction of some has been unbelievable.

I have in front of me a ticket price £26 for the Kingsland , block 33 row q, seat 859, for the 25 Apri 2009.....against Burnley. We had already been relegated to the 3rd tier of English football, forced into administration, and reduced to chucking whatever we could spare into plastic buckets. Luckily we were saved by a succesfull 61 year old businessman, luckily he had the wisdom to put in place a successor, should anything happen to him. Since his sad and untimely death after only a year his daughter took over he ownership of SFC...... ALL THE SUCCESS in the last 4 years has come under her stewardship. Back to back promotions to the Premier League and in only our second year a top 8 finnish. You would think we would have learned.

But no; here we are 3 weeks before the start of our 3rd season back and without a ball being kicked it's ''GET HER OUT.... BOARDS A B*****Y JOKE ......WE'LL BE DOWN BY FEBUARY''

I wonder if she ever reads any of this; what kind of people are we.....why would any owner want to invest in a club were fans are writing personnal abuse about her , to go, and take her money with her. I cant believe true Saints realy feel like this. Football is a game, but its a business, big business, and she is is running this club as exactly that, a business, and in business the general rule of thumb is to buy low and sell high; and if a player see's £ signs and wants to leave thats exactly what you do, sell; they either want to play for SFC or they dont.

We will be fine, new players WILL be brought in, inprovements will be made. Sometimes in life you have to take a step or two back to push forward, nothing keeps going up in a straight line, corrections need to take place, and thats where we are in right now, in a correction. It's up to Saint fans to trust in our owner and the board she has put in place, the manager she has approved...... cos it's not been so bad so far!
An excellent post, well done,I quite agree
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: Having read countless posts on this forum in recent days, I feel saddened by the almost complete lack of patience and belief in the owner and board of this club. Even accepting that we all time in a world of instant gratification, the reaction of some has been unbelievable. I have in front of me a ticket price £26 for the Kingsland , block 33 row q, seat 859, for the 25 Apri 2009.....against Burnley. We had already been relegated to the 3rd tier of English football, forced into administration, and reduced to chucking whatever we could spare into plastic buckets. Luckily we were saved by a succesfull 61 year old businessman, luckily he had the wisdom to put in place a successor, should anything happen to him. Since his sad and untimely death after only a year his daughter took over he ownership of SFC...... ALL THE SUCCESS in the last 4 years has come under her stewardship. Back to back promotions to the Premier League and in only our second year a top 8 finnish. You would think we would have learned. But no; here we are 3 weeks before the start of our 3rd season back and without a ball being kicked it's ''GET HER OUT.... BOARDS A B*****Y JOKE ......WE'LL BE DOWN BY FEBUARY'' I wonder if she ever reads any of this; what kind of people are we.....why would any owner want to invest in a club were fans are writing personnal abuse about her , to go, and take her money with her. I cant believe true Saints realy feel like this. Football is a game, but its a business, big business, and she is is running this club as exactly that, a business, and in business the general rule of thumb is to buy low and sell high; and if a player see's £ signs and wants to leave thats exactly what you do, sell; they either want to play for SFC or they dont. We will be fine, new players WILL be brought in, inprovements will be made. Sometimes in life you have to take a step or two back to push forward, nothing keeps going up in a straight line, corrections need to take place, and thats where we are in right now, in a correction. It's up to Saint fans to trust in our owner and the board she has put in place, the manager she has approved...... cos it's not been so bad so far![/p][/quote]An excellent post, well done,I quite agree kingkong 1
  • Score: -7

6:35pm Sun 27 Jul 14

nomorerumours says...

East stand benches wrote:
As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo!
Great post and 100% agreed - just what I've been saying in the last 3 weeks.
[quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo![/p][/quote]Great post and 100% agreed - just what I've been saying in the last 3 weeks. nomorerumours
  • Score: -8

6:38pm Sun 27 Jul 14

M.U.CS1 says...

Serious question, why do you all feel the present owner has to pump millions of pounds into your club, I know, just because her father had a vision and said he would ? Get real, all chairman say the same **** thing, but would he really have followed it all through, or would he have made himself a tidy profit too ? Fact is nobody knows, but his daughter is in charge now, so unless she is some sort of football and Saints supporter I'd very much doubt she will !
Serious question, why do you all feel the present owner has to pump millions of pounds into your club, I know, just because her father had a vision and said he would ? Get real, all chairman say the same **** thing, but would he really have followed it all through, or would he have made himself a tidy profit too ? Fact is nobody knows, but his daughter is in charge now, so unless she is some sort of football and Saints supporter I'd very much doubt she will ! M.U.CS1
  • Score: 12

6:45pm Sun 27 Jul 14

East stand benches says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Serious question, why do you all feel the present owner has to pump millions of pounds into your club, I know, just because her father had a vision and said he would ? Get real, all chairman say the same **** thing, but would he really have followed it all through, or would he have made himself a tidy profit too ? Fact is nobody knows, but his daughter is in charge now, so unless she is some sort of football and Saints supporter I'd very much doubt she will !
We don't need her money. We've got the cash cow academy.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Serious question, why do you all feel the present owner has to pump millions of pounds into your club, I know, just because her father had a vision and said he would ? Get real, all chairman say the same **** thing, but would he really have followed it all through, or would he have made himself a tidy profit too ? Fact is nobody knows, but his daughter is in charge now, so unless she is some sort of football and Saints supporter I'd very much doubt she will ![/p][/quote]We don't need her money. We've got the cash cow academy. East stand benches
  • Score: -5

6:55pm Sun 27 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Serious question, why do you all feel the present owner has to pump millions of pounds into your club, I know, just because her father had a vision and said he would ? Get real, all chairman say the same **** thing, but would he really have followed it all through, or would he have made himself a tidy profit too ? Fact is nobody knows, but his daughter is in charge now, so unless she is some sort of football and Saints supporter I'd very much doubt she will !
Of course she wont . She has already admitted she doesn't like football . She doesn't give a monkeys about some football club from the south of England .
Considering where she from , i highly doubt if she even likes England at all.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Serious question, why do you all feel the present owner has to pump millions of pounds into your club, I know, just because her father had a vision and said he would ? Get real, all chairman say the same **** thing, but would he really have followed it all through, or would he have made himself a tidy profit too ? Fact is nobody knows, but his daughter is in charge now, so unless she is some sort of football and Saints supporter I'd very much doubt she will ![/p][/quote]Of course she wont . She has already admitted she doesn't like football . She doesn't give a monkeys about some football club from the south of England . Considering where she from , i highly doubt if she even likes England at all. jasons odd
  • Score: 7

7:01pm Sun 27 Jul 14

nomorerumours says...

u bunch of mugs wrote:
Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club.
All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.
Just read through the first 30 or so posts and was delighted to see that almost all of them were highly positive. I was just starting to think that The Echo was somehow filtering out the negative and the offensive posts and then we have this one from "u bunch of mugs". Surely this post cannot be from a true Saints fan! It is highly offensive and completely wrong. I am going to report these type of posts to The Echo from now on - we all should be far more active in this respect. We need to clean up this forum and eliminate the evil fringe. Then we can all have genuine discussions, sometimes agreeing to disagree but with much more meaningful threads and a much more enjoyable experience for all of us real Saints fans. I would like to debate the relative merits of potential new signings and our academy players instead of trying to fight off these offensive and wholly inaccurate posts.
[quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club. All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.[/p][/quote]Just read through the first 30 or so posts and was delighted to see that almost all of them were highly positive. I was just starting to think that The Echo was somehow filtering out the negative and the offensive posts and then we have this one from "u bunch of mugs". Surely this post cannot be from a true Saints fan! It is highly offensive and completely wrong. I am going to report these type of posts to The Echo from now on - we all should be far more active in this respect. We need to clean up this forum and eliminate the evil fringe. Then we can all have genuine discussions, sometimes agreeing to disagree but with much more meaningful threads and a much more enjoyable experience for all of us real Saints fans. I would like to debate the relative merits of potential new signings and our academy players instead of trying to fight off these offensive and wholly inaccurate posts. nomorerumours
  • Score: -7

7:02pm Sun 27 Jul 14

midlandsaint says...

Having played Football Manager and Championship Manager for many many years - always as Southampton Ive found the following strategy very successful.

Appoint the best back room you can. Get your scouts searching for great youth players and buy them cheap. Blend them into the squad. Have a great season. Sell players for great prices. Rinse and repeat.

We've appointed a good manager and back room. We've sold players for good money. We now only need to spend some of that money on players with potential who can double their value over a couple of seasons, and to have a good couple of years.

Game on.
Having played Football Manager and Championship Manager for many many years - always as Southampton Ive found the following strategy very successful. Appoint the best back room you can. Get your scouts searching for great youth players and buy them cheap. Blend them into the squad. Have a great season. Sell players for great prices. Rinse and repeat. We've appointed a good manager and back room. We've sold players for good money. We now only need to spend some of that money on players with potential who can double their value over a couple of seasons, and to have a good couple of years. Game on. midlandsaint
  • Score: -4

7:05pm Sun 27 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

All of us who are truly pi55ed off are as much as anything worried that we are lsing something special, a shot a t the big time, a chance to be more than a small provincial club as indeed a larger club what we always should have been..

The frustration at the board is basedon current events and perceived lies at worst or incompetance at best….

..I am the first to admit all of us right royally fcuked off at the exodus will and should be eating humble pie if the board turn out to be sharper and more adept than we credit them, maybe Les Reed has a master plan, it is a fact that the players we have sold have commanded quite frankly astonishing sums….Lallana a season ago may have achieved 5 million max….Shaw???..Lovr
en £8.5 million…and so on…

So I get why some have utter faith in the board, my concern is that it 'feels' like things are spiralling out of control….

One thing is for sure I want to be wrong and the board right.
All of us who are truly pi55ed off are as much as anything worried that we are lsing something special, a shot a t the big time, a chance to be more than a small provincial club as indeed a larger club what we always should have been.. The frustration at the board is basedon current events and perceived lies at worst or incompetance at best…. ..I am the first to admit all of us right royally fcuked off at the exodus will and should be eating humble pie if the board turn out to be sharper and more adept than we credit them, maybe Les Reed has a master plan, it is a fact that the players we have sold have commanded quite frankly astonishing sums….Lallana a season ago may have achieved 5 million max….Shaw???..Lovr en £8.5 million…and so on… So I get why some have utter faith in the board, my concern is that it 'feels' like things are spiralling out of control…. One thing is for sure I want to be wrong and the board right. warrens 76
  • Score: 14

7:06pm Sun 27 Jul 14

BumperSaint says...

I completely get both sides of reaction from saints fans at the minute...... Huge change will always be met with both optimism and pessimism! I think all true saints will be feeling strong traits of both at the minute, just some choose to ignore the feelings and some choose to rant!! I am leaning more towards being optimistic, however just one thing worries me....... Why have cork and fonte (and maybe jay) not signed contracts yet? I get the delay of transfers in but surely securing these 2 players (unless proposed terms are way below expected) should be something that could have been done last week? I do have faith, but as long as needing at least 2 new names announced this week, the board also need to announce that jack and fonte will stay for the next 3 years!
I completely get both sides of reaction from saints fans at the minute...... Huge change will always be met with both optimism and pessimism! I think all true saints will be feeling strong traits of both at the minute, just some choose to ignore the feelings and some choose to rant!! I am leaning more towards being optimistic, however just one thing worries me....... Why have cork and fonte (and maybe jay) not signed contracts yet? I get the delay of transfers in but surely securing these 2 players (unless proposed terms are way below expected) should be something that could have been done last week? I do have faith, but as long as needing at least 2 new names announced this week, the board also need to announce that jack and fonte will stay for the next 3 years! BumperSaint
  • Score: 8

7:09pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
East stand benches wrote:
I'm lucky enough(or unlucky enough) to be old enough to remember finishing runners up in 84, also the cup semis of 84 and 86, the numerous years of top flight football without fear of relegation, then the nineties, le tiss, last day survival year after year, eventual relegation, near liquidation, championship, league one, losing at home to Plymouth, going to dagenham, Exeter, etc etc. anyone who wants to grizzle about having 100 million in the bank, RK in charge and a billionaire owner should just go and support liverhampton.
Me too, remember it well. Those of us that age have been waiting thirty years for those times to return. Some of us think they were just about to, and we've facked it up.
No we haven't Seed. When NC and MOPO were running the show we had the confidence in them to think they knew best and would only do what was best for the club. They didn't stick to their end of the bargain - we did ours we trusted them.
As a result of a good season the big boys stepped in and seduced our best and brightest with figures that even Mourinho couldn't bring himself to compete with. - We had no real option but to let them go, as much as we all wanted all sorts of dire actions to compel them to stay.
Katharina rang out the bells of change and a few players left. We are now well equipped to replace them and more. We didn't do anything wrong - it is just inevitable in football. A mate of mine reminded me the same thing happened at Villa. Money doesn't talk it shouts.
Better is to come Seed just have a little patience and faith mate.
Money doesn't talk,it shouts..I like that jls! It even swears sometimes! ;0)
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: I'm lucky enough(or unlucky enough) to be old enough to remember finishing runners up in 84, also the cup semis of 84 and 86, the numerous years of top flight football without fear of relegation, then the nineties, le tiss, last day survival year after year, eventual relegation, near liquidation, championship, league one, losing at home to Plymouth, going to dagenham, Exeter, etc etc. anyone who wants to grizzle about having 100 million in the bank, RK in charge and a billionaire owner should just go and support liverhampton.[/p][/quote]Me too, remember it well. Those of us that age have been waiting thirty years for those times to return. Some of us think they were just about to, and we've facked it up.[/p][/quote]No we haven't Seed. When NC and MOPO were running the show we had the confidence in them to think they knew best and would only do what was best for the club. They didn't stick to their end of the bargain - we did ours we trusted them. As a result of a good season the big boys stepped in and seduced our best and brightest with figures that even Mourinho couldn't bring himself to compete with. - We had no real option but to let them go, as much as we all wanted all sorts of dire actions to compel them to stay. Katharina rang out the bells of change and a few players left. We are now well equipped to replace them and more. We didn't do anything wrong - it is just inevitable in football. A mate of mine reminded me the same thing happened at Villa. Money doesn't talk it shouts. Better is to come Seed just have a little patience and faith mate.[/p][/quote]Money doesn't talk,it shouts..I like that jls! It even swears sometimes! ;0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -1

7:15pm Sun 27 Jul 14

mesaint says...

jezza wrote:
I have a genuine question for all the fans demanding that we replace outgoing players with ones that are "as good or better" and who are rounding on Les Reed because we are finding it difficult to do so.

If the players we have want to leave because "bigger" clubs want to pay silly money for them; offer them a fortune in wages; and give them Champions League football or a good chance of silverware, then won't the players we wan't to buy be wanting the same if they are "as good or better"? Won't they be looking to join the "bigger" clubs rather than us?

So, my question is this - rather than just criticising the board, will you tell us what you would be doing differently that would ensure those "big-name" players come to Southampton, rather than head off to the Liverpools, Man Utds, Arsenals, etc.?

In the meantime, Clasie, De Frij, Van Dijk, Forster and Rojo works for me - and they all sound like they would come for Koeman, not just for the money.

COYRs STID
For all we are saying about the manager les reed etc.i.e selling players.lets not forget.they are only doing what the owner has demanded.as for Nicola cortèse.done brill job .and was not liked at times...it was not his money..on saying all this .had they said what they intend to do would you have still baught your season tickets??
[quote][p][bold]jezza[/bold] wrote: I have a genuine question for all the fans demanding that we replace outgoing players with ones that are "as good or better" and who are rounding on Les Reed because we are finding it difficult to do so. If the players we have want to leave because "bigger" clubs want to pay silly money for them; offer them a fortune in wages; and give them Champions League football or a good chance of silverware, then won't the players we wan't to buy be wanting the same if they are "as good or better"? Won't they be looking to join the "bigger" clubs rather than us? So, my question is this - rather than just criticising the board, will you tell us what you would be doing differently that would ensure those "big-name" players come to Southampton, rather than head off to the Liverpools, Man Utds, Arsenals, etc.? In the meantime, Clasie, De Frij, Van Dijk, Forster and Rojo works for me - and they all sound like they would come for Koeman, not just for the money. COYRs STID[/p][/quote]For all we are saying about the manager les reed etc.i.e selling players.lets not forget.they are only doing what the owner has demanded.as for Nicola cortèse.done brill job .and was not liked at times...it was not his money..on saying all this .had they said what they intend to do would you have still baught your season tickets?? mesaint
  • Score: 10

7:16pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Forest Saint wrote:
With the sale of Chambers, Lovren, Schneiderlin, Rodriguez and Fonte imminent, hopefully the deluded fans amongst you who are still supporting Ms Liebherr, Les Reed and the other cronies will realise that our wonderful club is in freefall and spiralling towards disaster.
The shute will open soon,for a lovely soft landing,slap bang in the middle of the X. Relax.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Saint[/bold] wrote: With the sale of Chambers, Lovren, Schneiderlin, Rodriguez and Fonte imminent, hopefully the deluded fans amongst you who are still supporting Ms Liebherr, Les Reed and the other cronies will realise that our wonderful club is in freefall and spiralling towards disaster.[/p][/quote]The shute will open soon,for a lovely soft landing,slap bang in the middle of the X. Relax. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -9

7:18pm Sun 27 Jul 14

nomorerumours says...

GHamilton wrote:
Having read countless posts on this forum in recent days, I feel saddened by the almost complete lack of patience and belief in the owner and board of this club. Even accepting that we all time in a world of instant gratification, the reaction of some has been unbelievable.

I have in front of me a ticket price £26 for the Kingsland , block 33 row q, seat 859, for the 25 Apri 2009.....against Burnley. We had already been relegated to the 3rd tier of English football, forced into administration, and reduced to chucking whatever we could spare into plastic buckets. Luckily we were saved by a succesfull 61 year old businessman, luckily he had the wisdom to put in place a successor, should anything happen to him. Since his sad and untimely death after only a year his daughter took over he ownership of SFC...... ALL THE SUCCESS in the last 4 years has come under her stewardship. Back to back promotions to the Premier League and in only our second year a top 8 finnish. You would think we would have learned.

But no; here we are 3 weeks before the start of our 3rd season back and without a ball being kicked it's ''GET HER OUT.... BOARDS A B*****Y JOKE ......WE'LL BE DOWN BY FEBUARY''

I wonder if she ever reads any of this; what kind of people are we.....why would any owner want to invest in a club were fans are writing personnal abuse about her , to go, and take her money with her. I cant believe true Saints realy feel like this. Football is a game, but its a business, big business, and she is is running this club as exactly that, a business, and in business the general rule of thumb is to buy low and sell high; and if a player see's £ signs and wants to leave thats exactly what you do, sell; they either want to play for SFC or they dont.

We will be fine, new players WILL be brought in, inprovements will be made. Sometimes in life you have to take a step or two back to push forward, nothing keeps going up in a straight line, corrections need to take place, and thats where we are in right now, in a correction. It's up to Saint fans to trust in our owner and the board she has put in place, the manager she has approved...... cos it's not been so bad so far!
Great post. I 100% agree with you GHamilton - exactly what I and a few others have been posting on here for a while but it has been an uphill struggle.
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: Having read countless posts on this forum in recent days, I feel saddened by the almost complete lack of patience and belief in the owner and board of this club. Even accepting that we all time in a world of instant gratification, the reaction of some has been unbelievable. I have in front of me a ticket price £26 for the Kingsland , block 33 row q, seat 859, for the 25 Apri 2009.....against Burnley. We had already been relegated to the 3rd tier of English football, forced into administration, and reduced to chucking whatever we could spare into plastic buckets. Luckily we were saved by a succesfull 61 year old businessman, luckily he had the wisdom to put in place a successor, should anything happen to him. Since his sad and untimely death after only a year his daughter took over he ownership of SFC...... ALL THE SUCCESS in the last 4 years has come under her stewardship. Back to back promotions to the Premier League and in only our second year a top 8 finnish. You would think we would have learned. But no; here we are 3 weeks before the start of our 3rd season back and without a ball being kicked it's ''GET HER OUT.... BOARDS A B*****Y JOKE ......WE'LL BE DOWN BY FEBUARY'' I wonder if she ever reads any of this; what kind of people are we.....why would any owner want to invest in a club were fans are writing personnal abuse about her , to go, and take her money with her. I cant believe true Saints realy feel like this. Football is a game, but its a business, big business, and she is is running this club as exactly that, a business, and in business the general rule of thumb is to buy low and sell high; and if a player see's £ signs and wants to leave thats exactly what you do, sell; they either want to play for SFC or they dont. We will be fine, new players WILL be brought in, inprovements will be made. Sometimes in life you have to take a step or two back to push forward, nothing keeps going up in a straight line, corrections need to take place, and thats where we are in right now, in a correction. It's up to Saint fans to trust in our owner and the board she has put in place, the manager she has approved...... cos it's not been so bad so far![/p][/quote]Great post. I 100% agree with you GHamilton - exactly what I and a few others have been posting on here for a while but it has been an uphill struggle. nomorerumours
  • Score: -7

7:21pm Sun 27 Jul 14

East stand benches says...

These threads always start well and tail off into utter tripe.
These threads always start well and tail off into utter tripe. East stand benches
  • Score: -4

7:24pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Rooflas says...

ctsaint wrote:
Rooflas wrote:
It's not nice but if we are all realistic, unless a rich sheik with endless pockets comes in we are not able to compete with the top 7 clubs in this country. I'd rather look at it that we are in the top 10 of the 92 league teams! We can still compete in the premier league playing attractive football and picking up little gems here and there. Yes it is a kick in the guts that players have been rejecting our club for so called brighter lights, remember not all the bright lights are going to do well.
I am afraid that even if that happened, with the advent of FFP we couldn't replicate what chelski and Man C have done, we don't have the fan base to generate the revenue fast enough and we would be fined and or banned from European competition , sanctioned with regards to our squad and transfer dealings etc etc .

There's only one way to build a club, and I am afraid it's the same rules as running a business, doesn't matter what you invest, you have to be realistic about your market and your customer acquisition and growth, in plain English you need a return.
With regards to fan base I think it's time we tapped into the 'purple areas of hampshire and swing them red! Let's make the club accessible to the blue few, Pompey won't be back for decades. We need to get our shirts on commercial sale too.
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: It's not nice but if we are all realistic, unless a rich sheik with endless pockets comes in we are not able to compete with the top 7 clubs in this country. I'd rather look at it that we are in the top 10 of the 92 league teams! We can still compete in the premier league playing attractive football and picking up little gems here and there. Yes it is a kick in the guts that players have been rejecting our club for so called brighter lights, remember not all the bright lights are going to do well.[/p][/quote]I am afraid that even if that happened, with the advent of FFP we couldn't replicate what chelski and Man C have done, we don't have the fan base to generate the revenue fast enough and we would be fined and or banned from European competition , sanctioned with regards to our squad and transfer dealings etc etc . There's only one way to build a club, and I am afraid it's the same rules as running a business, doesn't matter what you invest, you have to be realistic about your market and your customer acquisition and growth, in plain English you need a return.[/p][/quote]With regards to fan base I think it's time we tapped into the 'purple areas of hampshire and swing them red! Let's make the club accessible to the blue few, Pompey won't be back for decades. We need to get our shirts on commercial sale too. Rooflas
  • Score: 12

7:26pm Sun 27 Jul 14

andysaints007 says...

East stand benches wrote:
As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo!
Well said!
[quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo![/p][/quote]Well said! andysaints007
  • Score: -10

7:29pm Sun 27 Jul 14

andysaints007 says...

East stand benches wrote:
pitbull wrote:
I must admit, it all seems to be falling apart but when I sit and think about it, it doesn't seem that bad.
I'll start off with Lallana, he was a great player for us, but only for about 70 minutes a game. He showed total disrespect for the club and fans and demanded a move away.
Will he be a success at Liverpool, I have my doubts. Was he worth the transfer fee, I don't think so.
He was replaced by Tadic, a similar type of player who is equal in quality if not slightly better.

Rickie Lambert, left the club with his head held high and his reputation intact, I can only wish him well in twilight of his career.
Replaced by Pelle, a slightly younger player of equal quality to Lambert who could quite easily become a Saints favourite.

Luke Shaw, no doubt a great talent in the making but I found him a bit frustrating for Saints, bombing down the wing only to stop and pass the ball backwards.
Although he demanded a move and big money, at least he kept his mouth shut in the press.
Replaced by Matt Target, from what I saw against Bournmouth we've got an able replacement for Shaw. I'm quite excited about this guy.

Lovren, no doubt a quality player for us but as a human being shows a total lack of class.
Seems very immature with his comments about his head being elsewhere.
Easily replaceable with the fee for him.

Chambers, no doubt another great prospect but with Clyne as his competition it didn't surprise me to see one of them leave.
Perhaps the lure of big money sitting on Arsenals bench was more than playing half a season for the Saints.

Schneiderlin, he apparently wants to go to secure his international chances. With the amount of midfield quality available to the French it wouldn't matter where Morgan plays his football.
If he does go, we still have Cork and Wanyama in the same position.

Rodriguez, after the support from both club and fans after his injury I would be very disappointed if he left.

So far we have sold 3 players, bought in two and promoted a few from the under 21s.
We will buy in a few more players, it's frustrating waiting but I'm sure they will come.

Is it more unsettling for the club to have a few new players or a few that don't want to play for Southampton, I'd prefer the new players for sure.
Hallelujah, someone else that can see it.
2 good posts - about time too - it's been getting very boring reading all the negative comments on here! Seems that some fans think if you sell a [player one day you have to replace them the next!
[quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: I must admit, it all seems to be falling apart but when I sit and think about it, it doesn't seem that bad. I'll start off with Lallana, he was a great player for us, but only for about 70 minutes a game. He showed total disrespect for the club and fans and demanded a move away. Will he be a success at Liverpool, I have my doubts. Was he worth the transfer fee, I don't think so. He was replaced by Tadic, a similar type of player who is equal in quality if not slightly better. Rickie Lambert, left the club with his head held high and his reputation intact, I can only wish him well in twilight of his career. Replaced by Pelle, a slightly younger player of equal quality to Lambert who could quite easily become a Saints favourite. Luke Shaw, no doubt a great talent in the making but I found him a bit frustrating for Saints, bombing down the wing only to stop and pass the ball backwards. Although he demanded a move and big money, at least he kept his mouth shut in the press. Replaced by Matt Target, from what I saw against Bournmouth we've got an able replacement for Shaw. I'm quite excited about this guy. Lovren, no doubt a quality player for us but as a human being shows a total lack of class. Seems very immature with his comments about his head being elsewhere. Easily replaceable with the fee for him. Chambers, no doubt another great prospect but with Clyne as his competition it didn't surprise me to see one of them leave. Perhaps the lure of big money sitting on Arsenals bench was more than playing half a season for the Saints. Schneiderlin, he apparently wants to go to secure his international chances. With the amount of midfield quality available to the French it wouldn't matter where Morgan plays his football. If he does go, we still have Cork and Wanyama in the same position. Rodriguez, after the support from both club and fans after his injury I would be very disappointed if he left. So far we have sold 3 players, bought in two and promoted a few from the under 21s. We will buy in a few more players, it's frustrating waiting but I'm sure they will come. Is it more unsettling for the club to have a few new players or a few that don't want to play for Southampton, I'd prefer the new players for sure.[/p][/quote]Hallelujah, someone else that can see it.[/p][/quote]2 good posts - about time too - it's been getting very boring reading all the negative comments on here! Seems that some fans think if you sell a [player one day you have to replace them the next! andysaints007
  • Score: -7

7:32pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

pitbull wrote:
East stand benches wrote:
As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo!
Great minds think alike.

Something else that has crossed my mind, how many players who thought they were too good for Saints actually progress from moving on.
The only real one is Bale, and he struggled for some time after leaving us.
Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlin haven't really set the world alight.

Beattie, Kenwyn Jones, Surman, Crouch, Ruddock, Bridge, the Israeli guy who I can't think of, all didn't really make it.
it's the same with managers, who left us and became a success, not many for sure.
I initially thought you were pretty close on this - then I checked the players who have gone onto better things How man thought they were too good but never stated it?

Alan Shearer - won the league
Tim Flowers - won the league
Andy Townsend - became established international - won cups - and almost the league
Nathan Dyer (never given the chance?)
Rod Wallace - won the league
Bridge won the league twice and cup
Chamberlain and Walcott - both became England regulars - won cups
Mark Wright - Became an established international
[quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo![/p][/quote]Great minds think alike. Something else that has crossed my mind, how many players who thought they were too good for Saints actually progress from moving on. The only real one is Bale, and he struggled for some time after leaving us. Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlin haven't really set the world alight. Beattie, Kenwyn Jones, Surman, Crouch, Ruddock, Bridge, the Israeli guy who I can't think of, all didn't really make it. it's the same with managers, who left us and became a success, not many for sure.[/p][/quote]I initially thought you were pretty close on this - then I checked the players who have gone onto better things How man thought they were too good but never stated it? Alan Shearer - won the league Tim Flowers - won the league Andy Townsend - became established international - won cups - and almost the league Nathan Dyer (never given the chance?) Rod Wallace - won the league Bridge won the league twice and cup Chamberlain and Walcott - both became England regulars - won cups Mark Wright - Became an established international Saints n Winners
  • Score: 4

7:39pm Sun 27 Jul 14

nomorerumours says...

midlandsaint wrote:
Having played Football Manager and Championship Manager for many many years - always as Southampton Ive found the following strategy very successful.

Appoint the best back room you can. Get your scouts searching for great youth players and buy them cheap. Blend them into the squad. Have a great season. Sell players for great prices. Rinse and repeat.

We've appointed a good manager and back room. We've sold players for good money. We now only need to spend some of that money on players with potential who can double their value over a couple of seasons, and to have a good couple of years.

Game on.
Exactly - great post.
[quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Having played Football Manager and Championship Manager for many many years - always as Southampton Ive found the following strategy very successful. Appoint the best back room you can. Get your scouts searching for great youth players and buy them cheap. Blend them into the squad. Have a great season. Sell players for great prices. Rinse and repeat. We've appointed a good manager and back room. We've sold players for good money. We now only need to spend some of that money on players with potential who can double their value over a couple of seasons, and to have a good couple of years. Game on.[/p][/quote]Exactly - great post. nomorerumours
  • Score: -5

7:41pm Sun 27 Jul 14

East stand benches says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
pitbull wrote:
East stand benches wrote:
As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo!
Great minds think alike.

Something else that has crossed my mind, how many players who thought they were too good for Saints actually progress from moving on.
The only real one is Bale, and he struggled for some time after leaving us.
Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlin haven't really set the world alight.

Beattie, Kenwyn Jones, Surman, Crouch, Ruddock, Bridge, the Israeli guy who I can't think of, all didn't really make it.
it's the same with managers, who left us and became a success, not many for sure.
I initially thought you were pretty close on this - then I checked the players who have gone onto better things How man thought they were too good but never stated it?

Alan Shearer - won the league
Tim Flowers - won the league
Andy Townsend - became established international - won cups - and almost the league
Nathan Dyer (never given the chance?)
Rod Wallace - won the league
Bridge won the league twice and cup
Chamberlain and Walcott - both became England regulars - won cups
Mark Wright - Became an established international
As I said earlier, there is plenty of milk in the udder
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo![/p][/quote]Great minds think alike. Something else that has crossed my mind, how many players who thought they were too good for Saints actually progress from moving on. The only real one is Bale, and he struggled for some time after leaving us. Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlin haven't really set the world alight. Beattie, Kenwyn Jones, Surman, Crouch, Ruddock, Bridge, the Israeli guy who I can't think of, all didn't really make it. it's the same with managers, who left us and became a success, not many for sure.[/p][/quote]I initially thought you were pretty close on this - then I checked the players who have gone onto better things How man thought they were too good but never stated it? Alan Shearer - won the league Tim Flowers - won the league Andy Townsend - became established international - won cups - and almost the league Nathan Dyer (never given the chance?) Rod Wallace - won the league Bridge won the league twice and cup Chamberlain and Walcott - both became England regulars - won cups Mark Wright - Became an established international[/p][/quote]As I said earlier, there is plenty of milk in the udder East stand benches
  • Score: -5

7:44pm Sun 27 Jul 14

long memory says...

What a shame that after many hours of good rational debate on this particular issue, the thumbs down WUMs and neggies finally found this page, still it was lovely while it lasted.
Thought a lot of neggies had been on the road to Damascus,just turns out this article in as a general news item and caught them out.
What a shame that after many hours of good rational debate on this particular issue, the thumbs down WUMs and neggies finally found this page, still it was lovely while it lasted. Thought a lot of neggies had been on the road to Damascus,just turns out this article in as a general news item and caught them out. long memory
  • Score: -8

7:45pm Sun 27 Jul 14

nomorerumours says...

East stand benches wrote:
These threads always start well and tail off into utter tripe.
Spot on - only today it was even more striking. A lot of positivity in the first 20 to 30 posts and then the moaners got to work.
[quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: These threads always start well and tail off into utter tripe.[/p][/quote]Spot on - only today it was even more striking. A lot of positivity in the first 20 to 30 posts and then the moaners got to work. nomorerumours
  • Score: -9

7:51pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Crispinmumbles says...

I've tried to stay on board but as I've said, Chambers is the line in the sand and that's been crossed. ACTION AND AN EXPLANATION NOW!
I've tried to stay on board but as I've said, Chambers is the line in the sand and that's been crossed. ACTION AND AN EXPLANATION NOW! Crispinmumbles
  • Score: 10

7:54pm Sun 27 Jul 14

East stand benches says...

nomorerumours wrote:
East stand benches wrote:
These threads always start well and tail off into utter tripe.
Spot on - only today it was even more striking. A lot of positivity in the first 20 to 30 posts and then the moaners got to work.
Hence my last post. Good informed opinion and debate until now. I shall retire at this point until the echo print something else provocative.
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: These threads always start well and tail off into utter tripe.[/p][/quote]Spot on - only today it was even more striking. A lot of positivity in the first 20 to 30 posts and then the moaners got to work.[/p][/quote]Hence my last post. Good informed opinion and debate until now. I shall retire at this point until the echo print something else provocative. East stand benches
  • Score: -10

7:55pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

East stand benches wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
pitbull wrote:
East stand benches wrote:
As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo!
Great minds think alike.

Something else that has crossed my mind, how many players who thought they were too good for Saints actually progress from moving on.
The only real one is Bale, and he struggled for some time after leaving us.
Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlin haven't really set the world alight.

Beattie, Kenwyn Jones, Surman, Crouch, Ruddock, Bridge, the Israeli guy who I can't think of, all didn't really make it.
it's the same with managers, who left us and became a success, not many for sure.
I initially thought you were pretty close on this - then I checked the players who have gone onto better things How man thought they were too good but never stated it?

Alan Shearer - won the league
Tim Flowers - won the league
Andy Townsend - became established international - won cups - and almost the league
Nathan Dyer (never given the chance?)
Rod Wallace - won the league
Bridge won the league twice and cup
Chamberlain and Walcott - both became England regulars - won cups
Mark Wright - Became an established international
As I said earlier, there is plenty of milk in the udder
Oh, I thought it might have pasteureyes
[quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo![/p][/quote]Great minds think alike. Something else that has crossed my mind, how many players who thought they were too good for Saints actually progress from moving on. The only real one is Bale, and he struggled for some time after leaving us. Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlin haven't really set the world alight. Beattie, Kenwyn Jones, Surman, Crouch, Ruddock, Bridge, the Israeli guy who I can't think of, all didn't really make it. it's the same with managers, who left us and became a success, not many for sure.[/p][/quote]I initially thought you were pretty close on this - then I checked the players who have gone onto better things How man thought they were too good but never stated it? Alan Shearer - won the league Tim Flowers - won the league Andy Townsend - became established international - won cups - and almost the league Nathan Dyer (never given the chance?) Rod Wallace - won the league Bridge won the league twice and cup Chamberlain and Walcott - both became England regulars - won cups Mark Wright - Became an established international[/p][/quote]As I said earlier, there is plenty of milk in the udder[/p][/quote]Oh, I thought it might have pasteureyes Saints n Winners
  • Score: 1

7:58pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Saint1972 says...

Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out !
Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out ! Saint1972
  • Score: 2

8:03pm Sun 27 Jul 14

StElsass says...

Why do they post letters to the agony aunt in the sports section?
Why do they post letters to the agony aunt in the sports section? StElsass
  • Score: 1

8:34pm Sun 27 Jul 14

holburysaint says...

You can tell the feeling of most Saints fans by the amount of comments being made, 1 of the topics about Chambers has attracted nearly 800.
After such a great season none of us would have imagined the mass exodus that is now taking place. The board needs to come clean about their intentions for the future as the supporters are always the last to know and yet we are the most important part of the club.
I really hope that RK can bring in some top quality players as there would appear to be plenty to spend, and then we can all have a good laugh instead of being laughed at.
You can tell the feeling of most Saints fans by the amount of comments being made, 1 of the topics about Chambers has attracted nearly 800. After such a great season none of us would have imagined the mass exodus that is now taking place. The board needs to come clean about their intentions for the future as the supporters are always the last to know and yet we are the most important part of the club. I really hope that RK can bring in some top quality players as there would appear to be plenty to spend, and then we can all have a good laugh instead of being laughed at. holburysaint
  • Score: 6

8:52pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Dave Juson says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
No doubt Mark Saunders is an honest, sincere and genuine person, but he does not appear to have a clear idea what is going and I cannot fathom why his opinions have been given such prominence. Unless the Echo is warming itself to stir up another of its effluent storms?
He doesn't have a clear idea Dave, like the rest of us, because of the appalling lack of communication from the club which naturally leads to speculation. Obviously we can't expect them to say we are in for X or Y for very obvious reasons, but they could give us an appraisal of what their stance is and aims and ambitions going forward.
As several posters above have observed, you can hardly expect the Club to divulge specific information about transfer dealings, in or out, while they are ongoing.
Neither Mr Saunders or you, or myself have a clue who is doing what behind the scenes to strengthen the first team squad, and there is no reason to supose, as yet, that the situation is "beyond a joke".
The attention our players have been getting since this time last year may be unwelcome, but it proves that the Saints' system -- both in regards of the youth development and Club's scouting department, which brought in the likes of Dejan Lovren, Nathanial Clyne, Victor Wanyama and Jay Rodiguez -- is, evidently, the envy of all the Premiership's top clubs.
I can see no reason to deduce that they are failing the supporters or the Club at the present time, and the Cassandras posting on this site, including Mark Saunders, are working themselves into a state for no other reason than the Echo cannot be bothered to enlighten us as the the Saints' inner workings. You know? Like all the blokes at the Club accumulating data on prospective players and the telephone numbers of their agents.
Why don't the Echo tell us about these things?
Because ignorance sells more newspapers.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: No doubt Mark Saunders is an honest, sincere and genuine person, but he does not appear to have a clear idea what is going and I cannot fathom why his opinions have been given such prominence. Unless the Echo is warming itself to stir up another of its effluent storms?[/p][/quote]He doesn't have a clear idea Dave, like the rest of us, because of the appalling lack of communication from the club which naturally leads to speculation. Obviously we can't expect them to say we are in for X or Y for very obvious reasons, but they could give us an appraisal of what their stance is and aims and ambitions going forward.[/p][/quote]As several posters above have observed, you can hardly expect the Club to divulge specific information about transfer dealings, in or out, while they are ongoing. Neither Mr Saunders or you, or myself have a clue who is doing what behind the scenes to strengthen the first team squad, and there is no reason to supose, as yet, that the situation is "beyond a joke". The attention our players have been getting since this time last year may be unwelcome, but it proves that the Saints' system -- both in regards of the youth development and Club's scouting department, which brought in the likes of Dejan Lovren, Nathanial Clyne, Victor Wanyama and Jay Rodiguez -- is, evidently, the envy of all the Premiership's top clubs. I can see no reason to deduce that they are failing the supporters or the Club at the present time, and the Cassandras posting on this site, including Mark Saunders, are working themselves into a state for no other reason than the Echo cannot be bothered to enlighten us as the the Saints' inner workings. You know? Like all the blokes at the Club accumulating data on prospective players and the telephone numbers of their agents. Why don't the Echo tell us about these things? Because ignorance sells more newspapers. Dave Juson
  • Score: -2

8:59pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

Saint1972 wrote:
Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out !
You are a very strange person .......ranting and raving? Blind WUMs? I support KL because it's down to her money that we have what we have , did I miss something?
[quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out ![/p][/quote]You are a very strange person .......ranting and raving? Blind WUMs? I support KL because it's down to her money that we have what we have , did I miss something? ctsaint
  • Score: -2

9:12pm Sun 27 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saint1972 wrote:
Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out !
I think another letter to the Premier League / Football Association would be more appropriate asking for their take of the rape of our Club, but somehow I don't think they actually would give a toss. For pities sake stop blaming Kat, none of this is her fault, she is as much a victim as the rest of us are.
[quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out ![/p][/quote]I think another letter to the Premier League / Football Association would be more appropriate asking for their take of the rape of our Club, but somehow I don't think they actually would give a toss. For pities sake stop blaming Kat, none of this is her fault, she is as much a victim as the rest of us are. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

9:16pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Saint1972 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saint1972 wrote:
Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out !
I think another letter to the Premier League / Football Association would be more appropriate asking for their take of the rape of our Club, but somehow I don't think they actually would give a toss. For pities sake stop blaming Kat, none of this is her fault, she is as much a victim as the rest of us are.
Are u serious ? KL is TOTALLY TO BLAME , she is the boss , the owner . NOTHING happens without her say so .

Wake up man.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out ![/p][/quote]I think another letter to the Premier League / Football Association would be more appropriate asking for their take of the rape of our Club, but somehow I don't think they actually would give a toss. For pities sake stop blaming Kat, none of this is her fault, she is as much a victim as the rest of us are.[/p][/quote]Are u serious ? KL is TOTALLY TO BLAME , she is the boss , the owner . NOTHING happens without her say so . Wake up man. Saint1972
  • Score: 2

9:18pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Saint1972 says...

ctsaint wrote:
Saint1972 wrote:
Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out !
You are a very strange person .......ranting and raving? Blind WUMs? I support KL because it's down to her money that we have what we have , did I miss something?
No , its down to her father . She doesn't give a toss about SFC
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out ![/p][/quote]You are a very strange person .......ranting and raving? Blind WUMs? I support KL because it's down to her money that we have what we have , did I miss something?[/p][/quote]No , its down to her father . She doesn't give a toss about SFC Saint1972
  • Score: 2

9:21pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

Saint1972 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saint1972 wrote:
Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out !
I think another letter to the Premier League / Football Association would be more appropriate asking for their take of the rape of our Club, but somehow I don't think they actually would give a toss. For pities sake stop blaming Kat, none of this is her fault, she is as much a victim as the rest of us are.
Are u serious ? KL is TOTALLY TO BLAME , she is the boss , the owner . NOTHING happens without her say so .

Wake up man.
What is she to blame for?
Not doubling or quadrupling want away players salaries?
Not bank rolling an unsustainable business plan/model for the club?

She is guilty of being her fathers daughter, she is guilty of spending the past 4 years getting us where we are ( her money, her advisors, her appointees) as far as I can tell?
[quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out ![/p][/quote]I think another letter to the Premier League / Football Association would be more appropriate asking for their take of the rape of our Club, but somehow I don't think they actually would give a toss. For pities sake stop blaming Kat, none of this is her fault, she is as much a victim as the rest of us are.[/p][/quote]Are u serious ? KL is TOTALLY TO BLAME , she is the boss , the owner . NOTHING happens without her say so . Wake up man.[/p][/quote]What is she to blame for? Not doubling or quadrupling want away players salaries? Not bank rolling an unsustainable business plan/model for the club? She is guilty of being her fathers daughter, she is guilty of spending the past 4 years getting us where we are ( her money, her advisors, her appointees) as far as I can tell? ctsaint
  • Score: 1

9:28pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

Saint1972 wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Saint1972 wrote:
Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out !
You are a very strange person .......ranting and raving? Blind WUMs? I support KL because it's down to her money that we have what we have , did I miss something?
No , its down to her father . She doesn't give a toss about SFC
Saint Marcus Leibher passed away whilst we were in league one as far as I recall? That was 4 years ago........

Specifically what would you do if you were in her shoes?

Spend uncontrollably ? Do you understand the sums involved not only to make the next step, but the requirement for a global fan base to carry that investment? The consequences of failure?

Not sure what you think should be happening?
[quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out ![/p][/quote]You are a very strange person .......ranting and raving? Blind WUMs? I support KL because it's down to her money that we have what we have , did I miss something?[/p][/quote]No , its down to her father . She doesn't give a toss about SFC[/p][/quote]Saint Marcus Leibher passed away whilst we were in league one as far as I recall? That was 4 years ago........ Specifically what would you do if you were in her shoes? Spend uncontrollably ? Do you understand the sums involved not only to make the next step, but the requirement for a global fan base to carry that investment? The consequences of failure? Not sure what you think should be happening? ctsaint
  • Score: -3

9:35pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Mattyboysaints says...

Nice to see you care mate and put pen to paper, but you don't live in the real world. There is a pecking order and you have to except that, look at where we were a few years ago. Look at the positives and see that our pecking order is a lot better than it was. Give the management time and understand the situation they are in and stop writing letters and making yourself look foolish, use your head and don't let the heart take over. (But I do feel the pain) COYS
Nice to see you care mate and put pen to paper, but you don't live in the real world. There is a pecking order and you have to except that, look at where we were a few years ago. Look at the positives and see that our pecking order is a lot better than it was. Give the management time and understand the situation they are in and stop writing letters and making yourself look foolish, use your head and don't let the heart take over. (But I do feel the pain) COYS Mattyboysaints
  • Score: -2

9:38pm Sun 27 Jul 14

bullsbags says...

ctsaint wrote:
Saint1972 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saint1972 wrote:
Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out !
I think another letter to the Premier League / Football Association would be more appropriate asking for their take of the rape of our Club, but somehow I don't think they actually would give a toss. For pities sake stop blaming Kat, none of this is her fault, she is as much a victim as the rest of us are.
Are u serious ? KL is TOTALLY TO BLAME , she is the boss , the owner . NOTHING happens without her say so .

Wake up man.
What is she to blame for?
Not doubling or quadrupling want away players salaries?
Not bank rolling an unsustainable business plan/model for the club?

She is guilty of being her fathers daughter, she is guilty of spending the past 4 years getting us where we are ( her money, her advisors, her appointees) as far as I can tell?
If the rumours are true quadrupling Morgans wages would put him on 36k a week Not too unreasonable by today's PLstandards !
No wonder there is a mass exodus I'm all for keeping wages under control but 9 k a week for one of the best def mid in the league is embarrassing
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out ![/p][/quote]I think another letter to the Premier League / Football Association would be more appropriate asking for their take of the rape of our Club, but somehow I don't think they actually would give a toss. For pities sake stop blaming Kat, none of this is her fault, she is as much a victim as the rest of us are.[/p][/quote]Are u serious ? KL is TOTALLY TO BLAME , she is the boss , the owner . NOTHING happens without her say so . Wake up man.[/p][/quote]What is she to blame for? Not doubling or quadrupling want away players salaries? Not bank rolling an unsustainable business plan/model for the club? She is guilty of being her fathers daughter, she is guilty of spending the past 4 years getting us where we are ( her money, her advisors, her appointees) as far as I can tell?[/p][/quote]If the rumours are true quadrupling Morgans wages would put him on 36k a week Not too unreasonable by today's PLstandards ! No wonder there is a mass exodus I'm all for keeping wages under control but 9 k a week for one of the best def mid in the league is embarrassing bullsbags
  • Score: 8

9:38pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Thankyounicola says...

The board may feel they need to increase the commercial income in the long run. My advise would be that achieving footballing success is the best and the fastest way to do that....not marketing

It's the product not the marketing that matters!! I hope they can recognise that.
Selling talented players in their mid twenties for what the board may feel is good money makes no sense.
If we have more ambition and success then we'll have a bigger fanbase!
The board may feel they need to increase the commercial income in the long run. My advise would be that achieving footballing success is the best and the fastest way to do that....not marketing It's the product not the marketing that matters!! I hope they can recognise that. Selling talented players in their mid twenties for what the board may feel is good money makes no sense. If we have more ambition and success then we'll have a bigger fanbase! Thankyounicola
  • Score: 3

9:39pm Sun 27 Jul 14

thinklikealocal says...

GHamilton wrote:
Having read countless posts on this forum in recent days, I feel saddened by the almost complete lack of patience and belief in the owner and board of this club. Even accepting that we all time in a world of instant gratification, the reaction of some has been unbelievable.

I have in front of me a ticket price £26 for the Kingsland , block 33 row q, seat 859, for the 25 Apri 2009.....against Burnley. We had already been relegated to the 3rd tier of English football, forced into administration, and reduced to chucking whatever we could spare into plastic buckets. Luckily we were saved by a succesfull 61 year old businessman, luckily he had the wisdom to put in place a successor, should anything happen to him. Since his sad and untimely death after only a year his daughter took over he ownership of SFC...... ALL THE SUCCESS in the last 4 years has come under her stewardship. Back to back promotions to the Premier League and in only our second year a top 8 finnish. You would think we would have learned.

But no; here we are 3 weeks before the start of our 3rd season back and without a ball being kicked it's ''GET HER OUT.... BOARDS A B*****Y JOKE ......WE'LL BE DOWN BY FEBUARY''

I wonder if she ever reads any of this; what kind of people are we.....why would any owner want to invest in a club were fans are writing personnal abuse about her , to go, and take her money with her. I cant believe true Saints realy feel like this. Football is a game, but its a business, big business, and she is is running this club as exactly that, a business, and in business the general rule of thumb is to buy low and sell high; and if a player see's £ signs and wants to leave thats exactly what you do, sell; they either want to play for SFC or they dont.

We will be fine, new players WILL be brought in, inprovements will be made. Sometimes in life you have to take a step or two back to push forward, nothing keeps going up in a straight line, corrections need to take place, and thats where we are in right now, in a correction. It's up to Saint fans to trust in our owner and the board she has put in place, the manager she has approved...... cos it's not been so bad so far!
Well said fellow supporter.

I have it on good authority that RK addressed the players and made it clear that any player who didn't want to play for SFC declare himself because if they didn't want the club then the club didn't want them. I guess we are now finding out who those players are.

This is football. It is a game played (mostly) by overpaid, overhyped, immature young men. Gazillions of £'s at stake, enormous passion and emotion. Fans still expecting every player to show devotion to a club (and it's supporters) cos they are all 'good eggs' are deluded. Plenty of deluded posting on here....
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: Having read countless posts on this forum in recent days, I feel saddened by the almost complete lack of patience and belief in the owner and board of this club. Even accepting that we all time in a world of instant gratification, the reaction of some has been unbelievable. I have in front of me a ticket price £26 for the Kingsland , block 33 row q, seat 859, for the 25 Apri 2009.....against Burnley. We had already been relegated to the 3rd tier of English football, forced into administration, and reduced to chucking whatever we could spare into plastic buckets. Luckily we were saved by a succesfull 61 year old businessman, luckily he had the wisdom to put in place a successor, should anything happen to him. Since his sad and untimely death after only a year his daughter took over he ownership of SFC...... ALL THE SUCCESS in the last 4 years has come under her stewardship. Back to back promotions to the Premier League and in only our second year a top 8 finnish. You would think we would have learned. But no; here we are 3 weeks before the start of our 3rd season back and without a ball being kicked it's ''GET HER OUT.... BOARDS A B*****Y JOKE ......WE'LL BE DOWN BY FEBUARY'' I wonder if she ever reads any of this; what kind of people are we.....why would any owner want to invest in a club were fans are writing personnal abuse about her , to go, and take her money with her. I cant believe true Saints realy feel like this. Football is a game, but its a business, big business, and she is is running this club as exactly that, a business, and in business the general rule of thumb is to buy low and sell high; and if a player see's £ signs and wants to leave thats exactly what you do, sell; they either want to play for SFC or they dont. We will be fine, new players WILL be brought in, inprovements will be made. Sometimes in life you have to take a step or two back to push forward, nothing keeps going up in a straight line, corrections need to take place, and thats where we are in right now, in a correction. It's up to Saint fans to trust in our owner and the board she has put in place, the manager she has approved...... cos it's not been so bad so far![/p][/quote]Well said fellow supporter. I have it on good authority that RK addressed the players and made it clear that any player who didn't want to play for SFC declare himself because if they didn't want the club then the club didn't want them. I guess we are now finding out who those players are. This is football. It is a game played (mostly) by overpaid, overhyped, immature young men. Gazillions of £'s at stake, enormous passion and emotion. Fans still expecting every player to show devotion to a club (and it's supporters) cos they are all 'good eggs' are deluded. Plenty of deluded posting on here.... thinklikealocal
  • Score: -1

9:44pm Sun 27 Jul 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Everything hinges on our ability to say "no, we are not selling", and the strength of those words. If we really have no ability to stop want away players, then all my critique falls to the ground.

What I want to know is, "what is the strength of football contracts?"

Surely the Daily Echo could do some investigation and get this important question answered?
Everything hinges on our ability to say "no, we are not selling", and the strength of those words. If we really have no ability to stop want away players, then all my critique falls to the ground. What I want to know is, "what is the strength of football contracts?" Surely the Daily Echo could do some investigation and get this important question answered? BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 8

9:52pm Sun 27 Jul 14

thinklikealocal says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Everything hinges on our ability to say "no, we are not selling", and the strength of those words. If we really have no ability to stop want away players, then all my critique falls to the ground.

What I want to know is, "what is the strength of football contracts?"

Surely the Daily Echo could do some investigation and get this important question answered?
Don't be ridiculous! What you are suggesting would come under the heading of journalism!
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: Everything hinges on our ability to say "no, we are not selling", and the strength of those words. If we really have no ability to stop want away players, then all my critique falls to the ground. What I want to know is, "what is the strength of football contracts?" Surely the Daily Echo could do some investigation and get this important question answered?[/p][/quote]Don't be ridiculous! What you are suggesting would come under the heading of journalism! thinklikealocal
  • Score: -7

9:53pm Sun 27 Jul 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

nomorerumours wrote:
midlandsaint wrote:
Having played Football Manager and Championship Manager for many many years - always as Southampton Ive found the following strategy very successful.

Appoint the best back room you can. Get your scouts searching for great youth players and buy them cheap. Blend them into the squad. Have a great season. Sell players for great prices. Rinse and repeat.

We've appointed a good manager and back room. We've sold players for good money. We now only need to spend some of that money on players with potential who can double their value over a couple of seasons, and to have a good couple of years.

Game on.
Exactly - great post.
Rinse and repeat, sure, but how many times? Is there no point where it is possible to win the league? I am generally curious, because this simulation might be capturing something real. Please share more...
[quote][p][bold]nomorerumours[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Having played Football Manager and Championship Manager for many many years - always as Southampton Ive found the following strategy very successful. Appoint the best back room you can. Get your scouts searching for great youth players and buy them cheap. Blend them into the squad. Have a great season. Sell players for great prices. Rinse and repeat. We've appointed a good manager and back room. We've sold players for good money. We now only need to spend some of that money on players with potential who can double their value over a couple of seasons, and to have a good couple of years. Game on.[/p][/quote]Exactly - great post.[/p][/quote]Rinse and repeat, sure, but how many times? Is there no point where it is possible to win the league? I am generally curious, because this simulation might be capturing something real. Please share more... BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 3

9:54pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Saint1972 says...

ctsaint wrote:
Saint1972 wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Saint1972 wrote:
Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out !
You are a very strange person .......ranting and raving? Blind WUMs? I support KL because it's down to her money that we have what we have , did I miss something?
No , its down to her father . She doesn't give a toss about SFC
Saint Marcus Leibher passed away whilst we were in league one as far as I recall? That was 4 years ago........

Specifically what would you do if you were in her shoes?

Spend uncontrollably ? Do you understand the sums involved not only to make the next step, but the requirement for a global fan base to carry that investment? The consequences of failure?

Not sure what you think should be happening?
She should sell NOW , give someone who has ambition a chance to buy before she totally destroys our club .

I would rather roll the dice with new owners than have to put up with a useless unambitious owner any day.
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out ![/p][/quote]You are a very strange person .......ranting and raving? Blind WUMs? I support KL because it's down to her money that we have what we have , did I miss something?[/p][/quote]No , its down to her father . She doesn't give a toss about SFC[/p][/quote]Saint Marcus Leibher passed away whilst we were in league one as far as I recall? That was 4 years ago........ Specifically what would you do if you were in her shoes? Spend uncontrollably ? Do you understand the sums involved not only to make the next step, but the requirement for a global fan base to carry that investment? The consequences of failure? Not sure what you think should be happening?[/p][/quote]She should sell NOW , give someone who has ambition a chance to buy before she totally destroys our club . I would rather roll the dice with new owners than have to put up with a useless unambitious owner any day. Saint1972
  • Score: 4

10:17pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Costa Baz says...

jls217 wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote: Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club. All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.
You are right about there being a cancer in the club, but you are pointing the finger at the wrong person. Cortese, quitting in January, was the catalyst, with MoPo being the tumour that spread his malignancy throughout the squad. In hindsight, it would have been in the club's best interest to have sacked MoPo at that time, but the board were duped by his duplicity, into thinking he may stay with the club, at least, until the end of his contract. With rumours now surfacing, that MoPo was tapping up JRod to play at his next, new club, as early as March, I think it is becoming clear that MoPo spent the last few months unsettling the squad with a view to destroying what we had. Or putting it another way, removing one of the teams, that would have been challenging his new club for European football, from the equation. Those that accuse the club of lacking ambition, should try looking at it from a different view point. IMO, it is the individual players, that lack ambition. They could have stayed together, as a unit, and given it another year, to see if they could crack it, and gain a European place, but they lacked the balls to do this. Their lack of ambition saw them jumping into ready made situations, where they could play European football on the back of better players' endeavours, rather than earn it themselves. Reed is castigated for not bringing in replacements sooner, having said that we had players lined up, but what fans fail to acknowledge is that these players may have been MoPo's choice, prior to his deciding to p1ss off. Why should he buy players knowing that the ex manager also wanted them, and may return for them next season, and in the knowledge that they may not fit the playing style of the new manager? Yes it is frustrating, that we are having to wait for new players, but I would sooner we wait for better quality players, than buy early and end up with dross. Our monetary constraints, ref wages, mean that we cannot match the bigger clubs, therefore we may have to wait and see what players are available, once the big clubs have had their collective picks. We are not at the top of the football foodchain, so have to take the best we can, when we can. Back to the OP, yes there is a cancer in the club, but Reed is slowly but surely cutting it out, and with the right rehabilitation, the patient may return to full health.
Costa Baz - I am speechless (and that doesn't happen often). You seem to have had a change of your views and strangely I find myself agreeing with just about every word you've typed. As sensible a post as I've read anywhere for a long time.
I've not changed my views.
I've always been in the "let's wait and see" camp.

I think you are mixing me up with Costa Gaz, who is a totally different person, and who has been slaughtering the board for ever.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club. All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.[/p][/quote]You are right about there being a cancer in the club, but you are pointing the finger at the wrong person. Cortese, quitting in January, was the catalyst, with MoPo being the tumour that spread his malignancy throughout the squad. In hindsight, it would have been in the club's best interest to have sacked MoPo at that time, but the board were duped by his duplicity, into thinking he may stay with the club, at least, until the end of his contract. With rumours now surfacing, that MoPo was tapping up JRod to play at his next, new club, as early as March, I think it is becoming clear that MoPo spent the last few months unsettling the squad with a view to destroying what we had. Or putting it another way, removing one of the teams, that would have been challenging his new club for European football, from the equation. Those that accuse the club of lacking ambition, should try looking at it from a different view point. IMO, it is the individual players, that lack ambition. They could have stayed together, as a unit, and given it another year, to see if they could crack it, and gain a European place, but they lacked the balls to do this. Their lack of ambition saw them jumping into ready made situations, where they could play European football on the back of better players' endeavours, rather than earn it themselves. Reed is castigated for not bringing in replacements sooner, having said that we had players lined up, but what fans fail to acknowledge is that these players may have been MoPo's choice, prior to his deciding to p1ss off. Why should he buy players knowing that the ex manager also wanted them, and may return for them next season, and in the knowledge that they may not fit the playing style of the new manager? Yes it is frustrating, that we are having to wait for new players, but I would sooner we wait for better quality players, than buy early and end up with dross. Our monetary constraints, ref wages, mean that we cannot match the bigger clubs, therefore we may have to wait and see what players are available, once the big clubs have had their collective picks. We are not at the top of the football foodchain, so have to take the best we can, when we can. Back to the OP, yes there is a cancer in the club, but Reed is slowly but surely cutting it out, and with the right rehabilitation, the patient may return to full health.[/p][/quote]Costa Baz - I am speechless (and that doesn't happen often). You seem to have had a change of your views and strangely I find myself agreeing with just about every word you've typed. As sensible a post as I've read anywhere for a long time.[/p][/quote]I've not changed my views. I've always been in the "let's wait and see" camp. I think you are mixing me up with Costa Gaz, who is a totally different person, and who has been slaughtering the board for ever. Costa Baz
  • Score: -1

10:24pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Costa Baz says...

montecristosaint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
u bunch of mugs wrote: Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club. All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.
You are right about there being a cancer in the club, but you are pointing the finger at the wrong person. Cortese, quitting in January, was the catalyst, with MoPo being the tumour that spread his malignancy throughout the squad. In hindsight, it would have been in the club's best interest to have sacked MoPo at that time, but the board were duped by his duplicity, into thinking he may stay with the club, at least, until the end of his contract. With rumours now surfacing, that MoPo was tapping up JRod to play at his next, new club, as early as March, I think it is becoming clear that MoPo spent the last few months unsettling the squad with a view to destroying what we had. Or putting it another way, removing one of the teams, that would have been challenging his new club for European football, from the equation. Those that accuse the club of lacking ambition, should try looking at it from a different view point. IMO, it is the individual players, that lack ambition. They could have stayed together, as a unit, and given it another year, to see if they could crack it, and gain a European place, but they lacked the balls to do this. Their lack of ambition saw them jumping into ready made situations, where they could play European football on the back of better players' endeavours, rather than earn it themselves. Reed is castigated for not bringing in replacements sooner, having said that we had players lined up, but what fans fail to acknowledge is that these players may have been MoPo's choice, prior to his deciding to p1ss off. Why should he buy players knowing that the ex manager also wanted them, and may return for them next season, and in the knowledge that they may not fit the playing style of the new manager? Yes it is frustrating, that we are having to wait for new players, but I would sooner we wait for better quality players, than buy early and end up with dross. Our monetary constraints, ref wages, mean that we cannot match the bigger clubs, therefore we may have to wait and see what players are available, once the big clubs have had their collective picks. We are not at the top of the football foodchain, so have to take the best we can, when we can. Back to the OP, yes there is a cancer in the club, but Reed is slowly but surely cutting it out, and with the right rehabilitation, the patient may return to full health.
Costa Baz do you alway support the powers that be at the club, strikes me you didnt say a word against Cortese while he was in charge. or do you work for the club???
No I don't.
I said several weeks ago, when others started flapping, that I would judge the board at the end of the transfer window.
I subscribed to the "Cortese is a coont, but he's our coont" and he did a lot of good for the club, but he always reminded me of the spoilt kid that would sooner break a toy, than let another kid play with it.

And no, I don't work for the club, although Imam looking for my boots, just in case. 😉😉
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u bunch of mugs[/bold] wrote: Once again I will tell u all Les Reed is the cancer of our club. All the time he is part of the club we are fu@ked.[/p][/quote]You are right about there being a cancer in the club, but you are pointing the finger at the wrong person. Cortese, quitting in January, was the catalyst, with MoPo being the tumour that spread his malignancy throughout the squad. In hindsight, it would have been in the club's best interest to have sacked MoPo at that time, but the board were duped by his duplicity, into thinking he may stay with the club, at least, until the end of his contract. With rumours now surfacing, that MoPo was tapping up JRod to play at his next, new club, as early as March, I think it is becoming clear that MoPo spent the last few months unsettling the squad with a view to destroying what we had. Or putting it another way, removing one of the teams, that would have been challenging his new club for European football, from the equation. Those that accuse the club of lacking ambition, should try looking at it from a different view point. IMO, it is the individual players, that lack ambition. They could have stayed together, as a unit, and given it another year, to see if they could crack it, and gain a European place, but they lacked the balls to do this. Their lack of ambition saw them jumping into ready made situations, where they could play European football on the back of better players' endeavours, rather than earn it themselves. Reed is castigated for not bringing in replacements sooner, having said that we had players lined up, but what fans fail to acknowledge is that these players may have been MoPo's choice, prior to his deciding to p1ss off. Why should he buy players knowing that the ex manager also wanted them, and may return for them next season, and in the knowledge that they may not fit the playing style of the new manager? Yes it is frustrating, that we are having to wait for new players, but I would sooner we wait for better quality players, than buy early and end up with dross. Our monetary constraints, ref wages, mean that we cannot match the bigger clubs, therefore we may have to wait and see what players are available, once the big clubs have had their collective picks. We are not at the top of the football foodchain, so have to take the best we can, when we can. Back to the OP, yes there is a cancer in the club, but Reed is slowly but surely cutting it out, and with the right rehabilitation, the patient may return to full health.[/p][/quote]Costa Baz do you alway support the powers that be at the club, strikes me you didnt say a word against Cortese while he was in charge. or do you work for the club???[/p][/quote]No I don't. I said several weeks ago, when others started flapping, that I would judge the board at the end of the transfer window. I subscribed to the "Cortese is a coont, but he's our coont" and he did a lot of good for the club, but he always reminded me of the spoilt kid that would sooner break a toy, than let another kid play with it. And no, I don't work for the club, although Imam looking for my boots, just in case. 😉😉 Costa Baz
  • Score: -3

10:25pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

bullsbags wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Saint1972 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saint1972 wrote:
Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out !
I think another letter to the Premier League / Football Association would be more appropriate asking for their take of the rape of our Club, but somehow I don't think they actually would give a toss. For pities sake stop blaming Kat, none of this is her fault, she is as much a victim as the rest of us are.
Are u serious ? KL is TOTALLY TO BLAME , she is the boss , the owner . NOTHING happens without her say so .

Wake up man.
What is she to blame for?
Not doubling or quadrupling want away players salaries?
Not bank rolling an unsustainable business plan/model for the club?

She is guilty of being her fathers daughter, she is guilty of spending the past 4 years getting us where we are ( her money, her advisors, her appointees) as far as I can tell?
If the rumours are true quadrupling Morgans wages would put him on 36k a week Not too unreasonable by today's PLstandards !
No wonder there is a mass exodus I'm all for keeping wages under control but 9 k a week for one of the best def mid in the league is embarrassing
Those numbers are from the end of 2013 and after our first year back in the PL. The rest of the first team squad was on similar money (senior guys). This was reviewed and new contracts awarded, in line with I assume what was offered to the new signing , I know VW is on £30-£35k a week.

We don't have the numbers for the end of the 13/14 season but I imagine just as salaries at the club doubled from £22m to £47m from 11/12 to 12/13 that we will see a significant rise ( not of the same magnitude ).

It doesn't take much work on google to get these numbers .

The shareholders have invested over £50m at this stage to get us back to PL and we don't have any external debt.

Even with the increase in TV revenue we can not expect them to fund deficits of tens of millions of pounds a year. I repeat FFP rules would not allow it even if they had the appetite.

As a child I too would ignore the facts of life and demand a sugar daddy break rules and bank role unsustainable losses until they get fed up and leave......

On that note I am off to bed , we all love SFC which is why we are on here, I don't think it will be anywhere near as bad as you think, it may not be the false promise NC made to us and the squad, but it will be far beyond what I dreamed of 5 short years ago.
[quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out ![/p][/quote]I think another letter to the Premier League / Football Association would be more appropriate asking for their take of the rape of our Club, but somehow I don't think they actually would give a toss. For pities sake stop blaming Kat, none of this is her fault, she is as much a victim as the rest of us are.[/p][/quote]Are u serious ? KL is TOTALLY TO BLAME , she is the boss , the owner . NOTHING happens without her say so . Wake up man.[/p][/quote]What is she to blame for? Not doubling or quadrupling want away players salaries? Not bank rolling an unsustainable business plan/model for the club? She is guilty of being her fathers daughter, she is guilty of spending the past 4 years getting us where we are ( her money, her advisors, her appointees) as far as I can tell?[/p][/quote]If the rumours are true quadrupling Morgans wages would put him on 36k a week Not too unreasonable by today's PLstandards ! No wonder there is a mass exodus I'm all for keeping wages under control but 9 k a week for one of the best def mid in the league is embarrassing[/p][/quote]Those numbers are from the end of 2013 and after our first year back in the PL. The rest of the first team squad was on similar money (senior guys). This was reviewed and new contracts awarded, in line with I assume what was offered to the new signing , I know VW is on £30-£35k a week. We don't have the numbers for the end of the 13/14 season but I imagine just as salaries at the club doubled from £22m to £47m from 11/12 to 12/13 that we will see a significant rise ( not of the same magnitude ). It doesn't take much work on google to get these numbers . The shareholders have invested over £50m at this stage to get us back to PL and we don't have any external debt. Even with the increase in TV revenue we can not expect them to fund deficits of tens of millions of pounds a year. I repeat FFP rules would not allow it even if they had the appetite. As a child I too would ignore the facts of life and demand a sugar daddy break rules and bank role unsustainable losses until they get fed up and leave...... On that note I am off to bed , we all love SFC which is why we are on here, I don't think it will be anywhere near as bad as you think, it may not be the false promise NC made to us and the squad, but it will be far beyond what I dreamed of 5 short years ago. ctsaint
  • Score: 1

10:26pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Kit Symons says...

So, as a Pompey fan (in peace), I've watched the recent transfer news surrounding Saints with a bit of interest. For what it's worth, and for those that are interested, here's what I've thought about it.

At the start of the bidding for your players which performed excellently last season, I would, if I were a Saints fan, probably be in the camp of Mark Saunders. But on further reflection, I think there's more than enough reason to be quite content about your situation now. If there's one thing about our club now that I'm proud of, it's that we're financially stable, and for the first time in quite some years, I'm not fearing my beloved club being liquidated. What's more is the club is in the hands of people who care about it.

I agree with what I've read as the majority of Saints supporters that you have made quite considerable deals for players sold, and replaced with good (from what I hear) replacements.

The only potential problem I see is continuity. But you have a proven manager at European level, and plenty of pounds in the bank should the right additions to the squad arrive. Best of luck to you this season, hopefully we'll be back playing you in the not too distant future. They are the best games.
So, as a Pompey fan (in peace), I've watched the recent transfer news surrounding Saints with a bit of interest. For what it's worth, and for those that are interested, here's what I've thought about it. At the start of the bidding for your players which performed excellently last season, I would, if I were a Saints fan, probably be in the camp of Mark Saunders. But on further reflection, I think there's more than enough reason to be quite content about your situation now. If there's one thing about our club now that I'm proud of, it's that we're financially stable, and for the first time in quite some years, I'm not fearing my beloved club being liquidated. What's more is the club is in the hands of people who care about it. I agree with what I've read as the majority of Saints supporters that you have made quite considerable deals for players sold, and replaced with good (from what I hear) replacements. The only potential problem I see is continuity. But you have a proven manager at European level, and plenty of pounds in the bank should the right additions to the squad arrive. Best of luck to you this season, hopefully we'll be back playing you in the not too distant future. They are the best games. Kit Symons
  • Score: 16

10:31pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ctsaint says...

Saint1972 wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Saint1972 wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Saint1972 wrote:
Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out !
You are a very strange person .......ranting and raving? Blind WUMs? I support KL because it's down to her money that we have what we have , did I miss something?
No , its down to her father . She doesn't give a toss about SFC
Saint Marcus Leibher passed away whilst we were in league one as far as I recall? That was 4 years ago........

Specifically what would you do if you were in her shoes?

Spend uncontrollably ? Do you understand the sums involved not only to make the next step, but the requirement for a global fan base to carry that investment? The consequences of failure?

Not sure what you think should be happening?
She should sell NOW , give someone who has ambition a chance to buy before she totally destroys our club .

I would rather roll the dice with new owners than have to put up with a useless unambitious owner any day.
I am off to bed, I don't share that view and it isn't an option I am afraid, it's also the most ungrateful attitude to someone who's family has and continues to elevate this club to a position most of us could not dream of 5 years ago.
Goodnight. COYR
[quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out ![/p][/quote]You are a very strange person .......ranting and raving? Blind WUMs? I support KL because it's down to her money that we have what we have , did I miss something?[/p][/quote]No , its down to her father . She doesn't give a toss about SFC[/p][/quote]Saint Marcus Leibher passed away whilst we were in league one as far as I recall? That was 4 years ago........ Specifically what would you do if you were in her shoes? Spend uncontrollably ? Do you understand the sums involved not only to make the next step, but the requirement for a global fan base to carry that investment? The consequences of failure? Not sure what you think should be happening?[/p][/quote]She should sell NOW , give someone who has ambition a chance to buy before she totally destroys our club . I would rather roll the dice with new owners than have to put up with a useless unambitious owner any day.[/p][/quote]I am off to bed, I don't share that view and it isn't an option I am afraid, it's also the most ungrateful attitude to someone who's family has and continues to elevate this club to a position most of us could not dream of 5 years ago. Goodnight. COYR ctsaint
  • Score: -2

10:34pm Sun 27 Jul 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Lovren has officially signed for our satellite club up north. What is really worth noting is how short the statements are becoming from the clubs with every sale:

Southampton Football Club can confirm that it has reached an agreement with Liverpool over the transfer of Dejan Lovren.

The defender, who joined Saints last summer on a four-year contract, departs for a significant fee after negotiations with the Anfield club.
Lovren has officially signed for our satellite club up north. What is really worth noting is how short the statements are becoming from the clubs with every sale: Southampton Football Club can confirm that it has reached an agreement with Liverpool over the transfer of Dejan Lovren. The defender, who joined Saints last summer on a four-year contract, departs for a significant fee after negotiations with the Anfield club. BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 5

10:43pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Saint1972 says...

ctsaint wrote:
Saint1972 wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Saint1972 wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Saint1972 wrote:
Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out !
You are a very strange person .......ranting and raving? Blind WUMs? I support KL because it's down to her money that we have what we have , did I miss something?
No , its down to her father . She doesn't give a toss about SFC
Saint Marcus Leibher passed away whilst we were in league one as far as I recall? That was 4 years ago........

Specifically what would you do if you were in her shoes?

Spend uncontrollably ? Do you understand the sums involved not only to make the next step, but the requirement for a global fan base to carry that investment? The consequences of failure?

Not sure what you think should be happening?
She should sell NOW , give someone who has ambition a chance to buy before she totally destroys our club .

I would rather roll the dice with new owners than have to put up with a useless unambitious owner any day.
I am off to bed, I don't share that view and it isn't an option I am afraid, it's also the most ungrateful attitude to someone who's family has and continues to elevate this club to a position most of us could not dream of 5 years ago.
Goodnight. COYR
ungrateful ? KL HAS DONE NOTHING FOR SAINTS - except sell all our best players .

Look , i get it , its obvious you have a hard on for KL that is clouding your judgement . Get over it
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: Its an excellent letter by the guy, pretty much sums up the feelings of all genuine saints fans . Only the blind WUMs who come on here ranting and raving everyday would defend KL . Get her out ![/p][/quote]You are a very strange person .......ranting and raving? Blind WUMs? I support KL because it's down to her money that we have what we have , did I miss something?[/p][/quote]No , its down to her father . She doesn't give a toss about SFC[/p][/quote]Saint Marcus Leibher passed away whilst we were in league one as far as I recall? That was 4 years ago........ Specifically what would you do if you were in her shoes? Spend uncontrollably ? Do you understand the sums involved not only to make the next step, but the requirement for a global fan base to carry that investment? The consequences of failure? Not sure what you think should be happening?[/p][/quote]She should sell NOW , give someone who has ambition a chance to buy before she totally destroys our club . I would rather roll the dice with new owners than have to put up with a useless unambitious owner any day.[/p][/quote]I am off to bed, I don't share that view and it isn't an option I am afraid, it's also the most ungrateful attitude to someone who's family has and continues to elevate this club to a position most of us could not dream of 5 years ago. Goodnight. COYR[/p][/quote]ungrateful ? KL HAS DONE NOTHING FOR SAINTS - except sell all our best players . Look , i get it , its obvious you have a hard on for KL that is clouding your judgement . Get over it Saint1972
  • Score: 0

10:51pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Danzig says...

East stand benches wrote:
As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo!
Totally agree. We need to embrace change. It's going on at some level all the time. Look back at the outrage Adkins dismissal caused. We moved on and will again. Give the squad and the management respect. They are working to move things forward. We've been in worse situations. They'll always be a niggling feeling of what might have been but we can look forward to what will be. I think it will be a good season.
[quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo![/p][/quote]Totally agree. We need to embrace change. It's going on at some level all the time. Look back at the outrage Adkins dismissal caused. We moved on and will again. Give the squad and the management respect. They are working to move things forward. We've been in worse situations. They'll always be a niggling feeling of what might have been but we can look forward to what will be. I think it will be a good season. Danzig
  • Score: -2

10:53pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Danzig says...

Danzig wrote:
East stand benches wrote:
As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo!
Totally agree. We need to embrace change. It's going on at some level all the time. Look back at the outrage Adkins dismissal caused. We moved on and will again. Give the squad and the management respect. They are working to move things forward. We've been in worse situations. They'll always be a niggling feeling of what might have been but we can look forward to what will be. I think it will be a good season.
*"there'll always", not "they'll always"
[quote][p][bold]Danzig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: As far as I can see, we have so far replaced like for like all departures. Tadic for lallana, pelle for lambert, targett for shaw. Who's to say they aren't all better than the outgoing players? If you think that we aren't gonna buy anyone else to replace lovren, chambers, or anyone else that leaves, then you need to take a step back and give the manager and board a chance to get these deals done. My view is that every player we've sold has been for a higher price than they merit, they all want to go, koeman now has a pretty much unlimited budget to rebuild, and I have every faith in him. I will add tho, that we should keep Spider-Man at all costs. Summing up, I think, ironically, we will be better and stronger this season, despite all the negativity emanating from the press, especially our one and only daily echo![/p][/quote]Totally agree. We need to embrace change. It's going on at some level all the time. Look back at the outrage Adkins dismissal caused. We moved on and will again. Give the squad and the management respect. They are working to move things forward. We've been in worse situations. They'll always be a niggling feeling of what might have been but we can look forward to what will be. I think it will be a good season.[/p][/quote]*"there'll always", not "they'll always" Danzig
  • Score: -2

11:16pm Sun 27 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Regarding the board and KL: I would have hoped that the board would have expressed even a half truth as to the happenings at the club lately, to put our minds at ease a bit. In saying that, when Adkins was sacked I am aware that there were a lot of unhappy fans concerning the sacking, and the appointment of a relative unknown manager. However as time went on and Saints started to get some favourable results and completed the season in 8th place, I am sure it would have been hard for any true fan to be negative about the results, apart from the lull in form around November. It seemed that Poch got more credit for the results than the board did who made the decision to begin with. While the departure of the players may be unprecedented, my point is that I am waiting to see what happens in the coming months before expressing judgement because I can't predict the future. At this point in time we have to accept that rebuilding the team and starting over is the reality of the situation because the backbone of last years team has been scattered to the four winds. In my opinion the majority of players who left felt that they had out grown the club and wanted to get somewhere quick rather than put in the hard yards to take the club to the next level.
Regarding the board and KL: I would have hoped that the board would have expressed even a half truth as to the happenings at the club lately, to put our minds at ease a bit. In saying that, when Adkins was sacked I am aware that there were a lot of unhappy fans concerning the sacking, and the appointment of a relative unknown manager. However as time went on and Saints started to get some favourable results and completed the season in 8th place, I am sure it would have been hard for any true fan to be negative about the results, apart from the lull in form around November. It seemed that Poch got more credit for the results than the board did who made the decision to begin with. While the departure of the players may be unprecedented, my point is that I am waiting to see what happens in the coming months before expressing judgement because I can't predict the future. At this point in time we have to accept that rebuilding the team and starting over is the reality of the situation because the backbone of last years team has been scattered to the four winds. In my opinion the majority of players who left felt that they had out grown the club and wanted to get somewhere quick rather than put in the hard yards to take the club to the next level. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: -2

11:46pm Sun 27 Jul 14

saintandrews says...

The transfer market has gone bonkers and one way of looking at it is that it will strengthen Saints in the longer term. We'll never win the Premiership but if we reinvest the money shrewdly we could actually have as good a side as last season.

Last season we created many chances but did not score anything like as many goals as we should have done. If Dusan Tadic can translate his form in the Dutch premiership then he will create as many chances as Lallana and in Graziano Pelle we will have a front man who is bigger, younger and faster than Rickie Lambert would have been this season.

The defence now looks extremely thin. Losing Dejan Lovren is the biggest blow and we will need two centre backs of the same class to replace him. Losing Shaw is a blow but the money involved was silly, as Jose Maurinho has said. Losing Chambers is a bigger blow because he is arguably an even better player, but at least we still have Clyne, who has more experience and is currently the better player.

Did I miss anyone? Oh, Osvaldo - well good riddance and a sign that however good Pochettini was as a coach, his ability in the transfer market was mixed, to say the least.

The point is that we have a ridiculous amount of money to spend and still have great young players coming through. How we fare next season will depend upon buying first class, rather than mediocre replacements and gelling quickly as a team. We should easily get top quality replacements with the money we have, even though every other side knows how rich we are. If we can hang on to Fonte and Jay Rod and replace Lovren, we should still be better than most other clubs and have something to build on the season after.....unless it all starts over again. It's getting a bit like the American football draft except that the odds are stacked so much in favour of the rich clubs.

We could have the basis for a great footballing business model for the future - produce great young talents, sell them at inflated prices to clubs too lazy to grow their own, reinvest shrewdly in less expensive foreign players of the same and in more youth while building up a big enough war chest to make the big step up into the top four.

It would have been great to have been able to build upon last season's achievements but I wonder how much transfer money we would have had if all had stayed? Whatever happens it is never a dull season supporting Saints.
The transfer market has gone bonkers and one way of looking at it is that it will strengthen Saints in the longer term. We'll never win the Premiership but if we reinvest the money shrewdly we could actually have as good a side as last season. Last season we created many chances but did not score anything like as many goals as we should have done. If Dusan Tadic can translate his form in the Dutch premiership then he will create as many chances as Lallana and in Graziano Pelle we will have a front man who is bigger, younger and faster than Rickie Lambert would have been this season. The defence now looks extremely thin. Losing Dejan Lovren is the biggest blow and we will need two centre backs of the same class to replace him. Losing Shaw is a blow but the money involved was silly, as Jose Maurinho has said. Losing Chambers is a bigger blow because he is arguably an even better player, but at least we still have Clyne, who has more experience and is currently the better player. Did I miss anyone? Oh, Osvaldo - well good riddance and a sign that however good Pochettini was as a coach, his ability in the transfer market was mixed, to say the least. The point is that we have a ridiculous amount of money to spend and still have great young players coming through. How we fare next season will depend upon buying first class, rather than mediocre replacements and gelling quickly as a team. We should easily get top quality replacements with the money we have, even though every other side knows how rich we are. If we can hang on to Fonte and Jay Rod and replace Lovren, we should still be better than most other clubs and have something to build on the season after.....unless it all starts over again. It's getting a bit like the American football draft except that the odds are stacked so much in favour of the rich clubs. We could have the basis for a great footballing business model for the future - produce great young talents, sell them at inflated prices to clubs too lazy to grow their own, reinvest shrewdly in less expensive foreign players of the same and in more youth while building up a big enough war chest to make the big step up into the top four. It would have been great to have been able to build upon last season's achievements but I wonder how much transfer money we would have had if all had stayed? Whatever happens it is never a dull season supporting Saints. saintandrews
  • Score: 0

2:46am Mon 28 Jul 14

ladysaint says...

Reading all the comments. One thought comes to mind. There is always a bigger fish. Roy hodgeson as much as said it when he commented on saints players leaving. Saints definitely are becoming a force to be reckoned with. A few years ago players were leaving us for the likes of Norwich or considering west ham. That won't happen in the main now. We are better than them. We have moved on, improved and become a bigger fish than a lot of prem league clubs. But the big 5 we still have a way to go. I would say we are becoming similar to spurs and Newcastle. Quite a journey already from league 1. :) anyhow. Liverpool and Man utd cannot compete with the bigger fishes of Barcelona and Real Madrid. Even Gareth bale said the other week the Spanish league is currently better than the epl. Any how whilst I am sad to see our star players leave I am realistic. There is unfortunately a natural order and we are not at the top of the food chain yet. Although we are much higher than 95% of others. We are still improving. Hopefully Ralph Kruger can improve our commercial status so eventually we can be at the top table. In the meantime I still feel we are the number one choice for young talent so at least we get to pick and develop future stars and then mug bug clubs with high prices until our commercial marketing income improves. I think the world wide global brand of southampton fc should be our next 5 year plan. Then when that's done we will raid Liverpool for their star players COYRAWS
Reading all the comments. One thought comes to mind. There is always a bigger fish. Roy hodgeson as much as said it when he commented on saints players leaving. Saints definitely are becoming a force to be reckoned with. A few years ago players were leaving us for the likes of Norwich or considering west ham. That won't happen in the main now. We are better than them. We have moved on, improved and become a bigger fish than a lot of prem league clubs. But the big 5 we still have a way to go. I would say we are becoming similar to spurs and Newcastle. Quite a journey already from league 1. :) anyhow. Liverpool and Man utd cannot compete with the bigger fishes of Barcelona and Real Madrid. Even Gareth bale said the other week the Spanish league is currently better than the epl. Any how whilst I am sad to see our star players leave I am realistic. There is unfortunately a natural order and we are not at the top of the food chain yet. Although we are much higher than 95% of others. We are still improving. Hopefully Ralph Kruger can improve our commercial status so eventually we can be at the top table. In the meantime I still feel we are the number one choice for young talent so at least we get to pick and develop future stars and then mug bug clubs with high prices until our commercial marketing income improves. I think the world wide global brand of southampton fc should be our next 5 year plan. Then when that's done we will raid Liverpool for their star players COYRAWS ladysaint
  • Score: 2

3:14am Mon 28 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Thankyounicola wrote:
The board may feel they need to increase the commercial income in the long run. My advise would be that achieving footballing success is the best and the fastest way to do that....not marketing

It's the product not the marketing that matters!! I hope they can recognise that.
Selling talented players in their mid twenties for what the board may feel is good money makes no sense.
If we have more ambition and success then we'll have a bigger fanbase!
I agree, while it may be a good long term goal, theres not much point in extending St. Mary's, or increasing merchandise sales at this point because that hinges on the extent of the fanbase as you say. Growing that through league and cup results is a sure way of achieving that, but it has to be consistent for any long term viability. Especially in a worldwide market.
I am not too sure how to quantify the departure of Lovren, AL,LS,RL and Poch to that equation, because while the security of last seasons results has been smashed to pieces with the delicacy of a sledge hammer, for me, results from here on in will be what matters. If the obscene amount of money acquired from their transfers is reinvested with sound acumen, and the results go our way, this could questionably be just what the doctor ordered. Who knows? but I will be definately watching with great interest.
[quote][p][bold]Thankyounicola[/bold] wrote: The board may feel they need to increase the commercial income in the long run. My advise would be that achieving footballing success is the best and the fastest way to do that....not marketing It's the product not the marketing that matters!! I hope they can recognise that. Selling talented players in their mid twenties for what the board may feel is good money makes no sense. If we have more ambition and success then we'll have a bigger fanbase![/p][/quote]I agree, while it may be a good long term goal, theres not much point in extending St. Mary's, or increasing merchandise sales at this point because that hinges on the extent of the fanbase as you say. Growing that through league and cup results is a sure way of achieving that, but it has to be consistent for any long term viability. Especially in a worldwide market. I am not too sure how to quantify the departure of Lovren, AL,LS,RL and Poch to that equation, because while the security of last seasons results has been smashed to pieces with the delicacy of a sledge hammer, for me, results from here on in will be what matters. If the obscene amount of money acquired from their transfers is reinvested with sound acumen, and the results go our way, this could questionably be just what the doctor ordered. Who knows? but I will be definately watching with great interest. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 1

7:01am Mon 28 Jul 14

Blackknight says...

The sentiments expressed in this letter reflect the frustrations of thousands of us life long Saints fans.

A clear unequivocal statement from Mr Ralph Krueger about the reasons behind the sales (money no doubt) and immediate transfer plans to re-invest these funds into the squad would at least go some way to placate the pure frustrations of the current situation.

Lambert, Shaw, Lallana, Lovren and Chambers gone. Schneiderlin and Rodriguez soon to follow?

What might have been with last years team plus a few quality additions is now purely a pipe dream.

So sad.
The sentiments expressed in this letter reflect the frustrations of thousands of us life long Saints fans. A clear unequivocal statement from Mr Ralph Krueger about the reasons behind the sales (money no doubt) and immediate transfer plans to re-invest these funds into the squad would at least go some way to placate the pure frustrations of the current situation. Lambert, Shaw, Lallana, Lovren and Chambers gone. Schneiderlin and Rodriguez soon to follow? What might have been with last years team plus a few quality additions is now purely a pipe dream. So sad. Blackknight
  • Score: 0

8:04am Mon 28 Jul 14

reedhunter1 says...

East stand benches wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
No doubt Mark Saunders is an honest, sincere and genuine person, but he does not appear to have a clear idea what is going and I cannot fathom why his opinions have been given such prominence. Unless the Echo is warming itself to stir up another of its effluent storms?
Yes quite, where can this open letter be found? In the daily echo scare mongering post room I suspect. Bout time the echo got behind the saints with some optomistic stories instead of the usual doom and gloom tripe they serve up. I for one am sick of it.
I agree Ian Murry the editor genius lol what a mug.
Go get some real stories and stop the crap reporting with ya no b#lls reporters.
[quote][p][bold]East stand benches[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: No doubt Mark Saunders is an honest, sincere and genuine person, but he does not appear to have a clear idea what is going and I cannot fathom why his opinions have been given such prominence. Unless the Echo is warming itself to stir up another of its effluent storms?[/p][/quote]Yes quite, where can this open letter be found? In the daily echo scare mongering post room I suspect. Bout time the echo got behind the saints with some optomistic stories instead of the usual doom and gloom tripe they serve up. I for one am sick of it.[/p][/quote]I agree Ian Murry the editor genius lol what a mug. Go get some real stories and stop the crap reporting with ya no b#lls reporters. reedhunter1
  • Score: 1

8:20am Mon 28 Jul 14

Rupert Lowe's Backside says...

My two cents:

What a f**king amazing ride we are on hey?? You gotta chuckle!

Over these last few years I have felt devastation, optimism, elation, high achievement, gratitiude, hard work and graft and now probably a bit of anxiety.

However...

I will always support this club no matter what happens, because owners, chairman, managers, players will always come a go...

COYR and whites
My two cents: What a f**king amazing ride we are on hey?? You gotta chuckle! Over these last few years I have felt devastation, optimism, elation, high achievement, gratitiude, hard work and graft and now probably a bit of anxiety. However... I will always support this club no matter what happens, because owners, chairman, managers, players will always come a go... COYR and whites Rupert Lowe's Backside
  • Score: 1

8:52am Mon 28 Jul 14

Graham, North of Watford says...

Kit Symons wrote:
So, as a Pompey fan (in peace), I've watched the recent transfer news surrounding Saints with a bit of interest. For what it's worth, and for those that are interested, here's what I've thought about it.

At the start of the bidding for your players which performed excellently last season, I would, if I were a Saints fan, probably be in the camp of Mark Saunders. But on further reflection, I think there's more than enough reason to be quite content about your situation now. If there's one thing about our club now that I'm proud of, it's that we're financially stable, and for the first time in quite some years, I'm not fearing my beloved club being liquidated. What's more is the club is in the hands of people who care about it.

I agree with what I've read as the majority of Saints supporters that you have made quite considerable deals for players sold, and replaced with good (from what I hear) replacements.

The only potential problem I see is continuity. But you have a proven manager at European level, and plenty of pounds in the bank should the right additions to the squad arrive. Best of luck to you this season, hopefully we'll be back playing you in the not too distant future. They are the best games.
Really sensible comment.

I have said before that financial stability is everything, much more important than the individuals in the team.

Second most important is security in the Premiership but more of that later.

Third is the construction of a team at wages e can afford to achieve 1 and 2 bove.

And there's the crunch.

The Club has to decide whether it wants to make a bid for 1 of the top 4 positions or simply wants to end up safe in 1 of the next 10 positions.

My gut reaction is that is perhaps where a "smaller" Premiership Club should aim for for its first year or two back in the Premiership.

I am disappointed that none of the top players has shown any loyalty to the Club but when you read the comments of why Luke Shaw ended up in MU rather than Chelsea then you realise that loyalty and contracts have no meaning.

For the first time in our history we have sufficient funds to buy the best players at the rate we can afford to pay them and we earnestly hopw that we are going to see some excellent purchases over the next 2 weeks or so.

Time is drifting away, however, and all we can do is hope that there is a masterplan is in place.

My confidence has dropped from 95% to 70% and will go down to 50% when Schneiderlin goes.

The % will bounce up with a minimum of 4 good signings and 2 with real potential i.e 2 per week for the next 3 weeks.

Anything short of this and we are clearly doomed
[quote][p][bold]Kit Symons[/bold] wrote: So, as a Pompey fan (in peace), I've watched the recent transfer news surrounding Saints with a bit of interest. For what it's worth, and for those that are interested, here's what I've thought about it. At the start of the bidding for your players which performed excellently last season, I would, if I were a Saints fan, probably be in the camp of Mark Saunders. But on further reflection, I think there's more than enough reason to be quite content about your situation now. If there's one thing about our club now that I'm proud of, it's that we're financially stable, and for the first time in quite some years, I'm not fearing my beloved club being liquidated. What's more is the club is in the hands of people who care about it. I agree with what I've read as the majority of Saints supporters that you have made quite considerable deals for players sold, and replaced with good (from what I hear) replacements. The only potential problem I see is continuity. But you have a proven manager at European level, and plenty of pounds in the bank should the right additions to the squad arrive. Best of luck to you this season, hopefully we'll be back playing you in the not too distant future. They are the best games.[/p][/quote]Really sensible comment. I have said before that financial stability is everything, much more important than the individuals in the team. Second most important is security in the Premiership but more of that later. Third is the construction of a team at wages e can afford to achieve 1 and 2 bove. And there's the crunch. The Club has to decide whether it wants to make a bid for 1 of the top 4 positions or simply wants to end up safe in 1 of the next 10 positions. My gut reaction is that is perhaps where a "smaller" Premiership Club should aim for for its first year or two back in the Premiership. I am disappointed that none of the top players has shown any loyalty to the Club but when you read the comments of why Luke Shaw ended up in MU rather than Chelsea then you realise that loyalty and contracts have no meaning. For the first time in our history we have sufficient funds to buy the best players at the rate we can afford to pay them and we earnestly hopw that we are going to see some excellent purchases over the next 2 weeks or so. Time is drifting away, however, and all we can do is hope that there is a masterplan is in place. My confidence has dropped from 95% to 70% and will go down to 50% when Schneiderlin goes. The % will bounce up with a minimum of 4 good signings and 2 with real potential i.e 2 per week for the next 3 weeks. Anything short of this and we are clearly doomed Graham, North of Watford
  • Score: 0

9:25am Mon 28 Jul 14

redandwhite says...

Renewed my season ticket, bought tickets for Leverkusen match. The quicker all those players who want to go have gone the better. I totally trust RK, he's Dutch,, they don't lie and they tell it the way it is. He is also football grest who knows what he is doing. He is probably as surprised as we are that so many players are attracting such big fees. But in his own time he will do as he said replace with better. Let's face it two years ago the same players collectively would not have attracted £10m for the lot. Our scouting system is clearly top notch since none of us had heard of poxitino,lovren, wanyama 18 months ago. As for Osvaldo remember he was poxis must have player.
So don't despair all those throwing their dummies out of the pram. Grow up and face the facts of life. RK is getting the luxury few new managers get. The opportunity to buy players he knows will play for him and in his style. Roll on our first game and let's stop writing open letters and behaving like spoilt brats.
Renewed my season ticket, bought tickets for Leverkusen match. The quicker all those players who want to go have gone the better. I totally trust RK, he's Dutch,, they don't lie and they tell it the way it is. He is also football grest who knows what he is doing. He is probably as surprised as we are that so many players are attracting such big fees. But in his own time he will do as he said replace with better. Let's face it two years ago the same players collectively would not have attracted £10m for the lot. Our scouting system is clearly top notch since none of us had heard of poxitino,lovren, wanyama 18 months ago. As for Osvaldo remember he was poxis must have player. So don't despair all those throwing their dummies out of the pram. Grow up and face the facts of life. RK is getting the luxury few new managers get. The opportunity to buy players he knows will play for him and in his style. Roll on our first game and let's stop writing open letters and behaving like spoilt brats. redandwhite
  • Score: 4

9:35am Mon 28 Jul 14

thinklikealocal says...

Kit Symons wrote:
So, as a Pompey fan (in peace), I've watched the recent transfer news surrounding Saints with a bit of interest. For what it's worth, and for those that are interested, here's what I've thought about it.

At the start of the bidding for your players which performed excellently last season, I would, if I were a Saints fan, probably be in the camp of Mark Saunders. But on further reflection, I think there's more than enough reason to be quite content about your situation now. If there's one thing about our club now that I'm proud of, it's that we're financially stable, and for the first time in quite some years, I'm not fearing my beloved club being liquidated. What's more is the club is in the hands of people who care about it.

I agree with what I've read as the majority of Saints supporters that you have made quite considerable deals for players sold, and replaced with good (from what I hear) replacements.

The only potential problem I see is continuity. But you have a proven manager at European level, and plenty of pounds in the bank should the right additions to the squad arrive. Best of luck to you this season, hopefully we'll be back playing you in the not too distant future. They are the best games.
Interestingly enough discussing this very issue with friends last night. I asked the question "I wonder if our friends down the road, with the benefit of hindsight, would swap those couple of 'amazing purchased with unsustainable amounts of money seasons' for ongoing financial stability".

I know what my preference will be so onwards and upwards, all be is slowly and steadily.
[quote][p][bold]Kit Symons[/bold] wrote: So, as a Pompey fan (in peace), I've watched the recent transfer news surrounding Saints with a bit of interest. For what it's worth, and for those that are interested, here's what I've thought about it. At the start of the bidding for your players which performed excellently last season, I would, if I were a Saints fan, probably be in the camp of Mark Saunders. But on further reflection, I think there's more than enough reason to be quite content about your situation now. If there's one thing about our club now that I'm proud of, it's that we're financially stable, and for the first time in quite some years, I'm not fearing my beloved club being liquidated. What's more is the club is in the hands of people who care about it. I agree with what I've read as the majority of Saints supporters that you have made quite considerable deals for players sold, and replaced with good (from what I hear) replacements. The only potential problem I see is continuity. But you have a proven manager at European level, and plenty of pounds in the bank should the right additions to the squad arrive. Best of luck to you this season, hopefully we'll be back playing you in the not too distant future. They are the best games.[/p][/quote]Interestingly enough discussing this very issue with friends last night. I asked the question "I wonder if our friends down the road, with the benefit of hindsight, would swap those couple of 'amazing purchased with unsustainable amounts of money seasons' for ongoing financial stability". I know what my preference will be so onwards and upwards, all be is slowly and steadily. thinklikealocal
  • Score: 4

1:33pm Mon 28 Jul 14

denniss says...

I know we have let so many palyers go but they have gone for twice what they are worth! Most managers come to clubs and have to get their own players in over a couple of seasons at least Koeman can do it right from the start. He is a class manager and I have every fith in the fact we will still have a superb tem come the first game at Liverpool. One good enough to beat them.
I know we have let so many palyers go but they have gone for twice what they are worth! Most managers come to clubs and have to get their own players in over a couple of seasons at least Koeman can do it right from the start. He is a class manager and I have every fith in the fact we will still have a superb tem come the first game at Liverpool. One good enough to beat them. denniss
  • Score: 1

4:38pm Mon 28 Jul 14

saintforever says...

just read on twitter through simon peach that spider man and j rod are interested in joining spurs - if this is true and they go then i will down at st marys asking for a refund on my season ticket as this is now beyond a joke.
come on les - what do you have to say to this?? statement needed urgently.
just read on twitter through simon peach that spider man and j rod are interested in joining spurs - if this is true and they go then i will down at st marys asking for a refund on my season ticket as this is now beyond a joke. come on les - what do you have to say to this?? statement needed urgently. saintforever
  • Score: 3

5:51pm Mon 28 Jul 14

southamptonadi says...

this year might be the year when its worth staying up till midnight on aug 31st, transfer deadline day might be interesting for us
this year might be the year when its worth staying up till midnight on aug 31st, transfer deadline day might be interesting for us southamptonadi
  • Score: -2

6:29pm Mon 28 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

GHamilton wrote:
Having read countless posts on this forum in recent days, I feel saddened by the almost complete lack of patience and belief in the owner and board of this club. Even accepting that we all time in a world of instant gratification, the reaction of some has been unbelievable.

I have in front of me a ticket price £26 for the Kingsland , block 33 row q, seat 859, for the 25 Apri 2009.....against Burnley. We had already been relegated to the 3rd tier of English football, forced into administration, and reduced to chucking whatever we could spare into plastic buckets. Luckily we were saved by a succesfull 61 year old businessman, luckily he had the wisdom to put in place a successor, should anything happen to him. Since his sad and untimely death after only a year his daughter took over he ownership of SFC...... ALL THE SUCCESS in the last 4 years has come under her stewardship. Back to back promotions to the Premier League and in only our second year a top 8 finnish. You would think we would have learned.

But no; here we are 3 weeks before the start of our 3rd season back and without a ball being kicked it's ''GET HER OUT.... BOARDS A B*****Y JOKE ......WE'LL BE DOWN BY FEBUARY''

I wonder if she ever reads any of this; what kind of people are we.....why would any owner want to invest in a club were fans are writing personnal abuse about her , to go, and take her money with her. I cant believe true Saints realy feel like this. Football is a game, but its a business, big business, and she is is running this club as exactly that, a business, and in business the general rule of thumb is to buy low and sell high; and if a player see's £ signs and wants to leave thats exactly what you do, sell; they either want to play for SFC or they dont.

We will be fine, new players WILL be brought in, inprovements will be made. Sometimes in life you have to take a step or two back to push forward, nothing keeps going up in a straight line, corrections need to take place, and thats where we are in right now, in a correction. It's up to Saint fans to trust in our owner and the board she has put in place, the manager she has approved...... cos it's not been so bad so far!
You think....
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: Having read countless posts on this forum in recent days, I feel saddened by the almost complete lack of patience and belief in the owner and board of this club. Even accepting that we all time in a world of instant gratification, the reaction of some has been unbelievable. I have in front of me a ticket price £26 for the Kingsland , block 33 row q, seat 859, for the 25 Apri 2009.....against Burnley. We had already been relegated to the 3rd tier of English football, forced into administration, and reduced to chucking whatever we could spare into plastic buckets. Luckily we were saved by a succesfull 61 year old businessman, luckily he had the wisdom to put in place a successor, should anything happen to him. Since his sad and untimely death after only a year his daughter took over he ownership of SFC...... ALL THE SUCCESS in the last 4 years has come under her stewardship. Back to back promotions to the Premier League and in only our second year a top 8 finnish. You would think we would have learned. But no; here we are 3 weeks before the start of our 3rd season back and without a ball being kicked it's ''GET HER OUT.... BOARDS A B*****Y JOKE ......WE'LL BE DOWN BY FEBUARY'' I wonder if she ever reads any of this; what kind of people are we.....why would any owner want to invest in a club were fans are writing personnal abuse about her , to go, and take her money with her. I cant believe true Saints realy feel like this. Football is a game, but its a business, big business, and she is is running this club as exactly that, a business, and in business the general rule of thumb is to buy low and sell high; and if a player see's £ signs and wants to leave thats exactly what you do, sell; they either want to play for SFC or they dont. We will be fine, new players WILL be brought in, inprovements will be made. Sometimes in life you have to take a step or two back to push forward, nothing keeps going up in a straight line, corrections need to take place, and thats where we are in right now, in a correction. It's up to Saint fans to trust in our owner and the board she has put in place, the manager she has approved...... cos it's not been so bad so far![/p][/quote]You think.... lowe esteem
  • Score: 1

6:32pm Mon 28 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

Rooflas wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
Rooflas wrote:
It's not nice but if we are all realistic, unless a rich sheik with endless pockets comes in we are not able to compete with the top 7 clubs in this country. I'd rather look at it that we are in the top 10 of the 92 league teams! We can still compete in the premier league playing attractive football and picking up little gems here and there. Yes it is a kick in the guts that players have been rejecting our club for so called brighter lights, remember not all the bright lights are going to do well.
I am afraid that even if that happened, with the advent of FFP we couldn't replicate what chelski and Man C have done, we don't have the fan base to generate the revenue fast enough and we would be fined and or banned from European competition , sanctioned with regards to our squad and transfer dealings etc etc .

There's only one way to build a club, and I am afraid it's the same rules as running a business, doesn't matter what you invest, you have to be realistic about your market and your customer acquisition and growth, in plain English you need a return.
With regards to fan base I think it's time we tapped into the 'purple areas of hampshire and swing them red! Let's make the club accessible to the blue few, Pompey won't be back for decades. We need to get our shirts on commercial sale too.
Need to stop Southampton people supporting Liverpool.
[quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: It's not nice but if we are all realistic, unless a rich sheik with endless pockets comes in we are not able to compete with the top 7 clubs in this country. I'd rather look at it that we are in the top 10 of the 92 league teams! We can still compete in the premier league playing attractive football and picking up little gems here and there. Yes it is a kick in the guts that players have been rejecting our club for so called brighter lights, remember not all the bright lights are going to do well.[/p][/quote]I am afraid that even if that happened, with the advent of FFP we couldn't replicate what chelski and Man C have done, we don't have the fan base to generate the revenue fast enough and we would be fined and or banned from European competition , sanctioned with regards to our squad and transfer dealings etc etc . There's only one way to build a club, and I am afraid it's the same rules as running a business, doesn't matter what you invest, you have to be realistic about your market and your customer acquisition and growth, in plain English you need a return.[/p][/quote]With regards to fan base I think it's time we tapped into the 'purple areas of hampshire and swing them red! Let's make the club accessible to the blue few, Pompey won't be back for decades. We need to get our shirts on commercial sale too.[/p][/quote]Need to stop Southampton people supporting Liverpool. lowe esteem
  • Score: 1

8:24pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Tetty says...

1) RK wants to create his own team. As he should.
2) Teams are paying way over the odds for our players.
3) Look at the table end of season. no lower than 7.
Saints supporter since 1952.
1) RK wants to create his own team. As he should. 2) Teams are paying way over the odds for our players. 3) Look at the table end of season. no lower than 7. Saints supporter since 1952. Tetty
  • Score: -2

1:26pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Beer Monster says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Kit Symons wrote:
So, as a Pompey fan (in peace), I've watched the recent transfer news surrounding Saints with a bit of interest. For what it's worth, and for those that are interested, here's what I've thought about it.

At the start of the bidding for your players which performed excellently last season, I would, if I were a Saints fan, probably be in the camp of Mark Saunders. But on further reflection, I think there's more than enough reason to be quite content about your situation now. If there's one thing about our club now that I'm proud of, it's that we're financially stable, and for the first time in quite some years, I'm not fearing my beloved club being liquidated. What's more is the club is in the hands of people who care about it.

I agree with what I've read as the majority of Saints supporters that you have made quite considerable deals for players sold, and replaced with good (from what I hear) replacements.

The only potential problem I see is continuity. But you have a proven manager at European level, and plenty of pounds in the bank should the right additions to the squad arrive. Best of luck to you this season, hopefully we'll be back playing you in the not too distant future. They are the best games.
Interestingly enough discussing this very issue with friends last night. I asked the question "I wonder if our friends down the road, with the benefit of hindsight, would swap those couple of 'amazing purchased with unsustainable amounts of money seasons' for ongoing financial stability".

I know what my preference will be so onwards and upwards, all be is slowly and steadily.
Agreed - funny how one of the most rational posts on here recently was written by a Pompey fan - thanks Kit!
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kit Symons[/bold] wrote: So, as a Pompey fan (in peace), I've watched the recent transfer news surrounding Saints with a bit of interest. For what it's worth, and for those that are interested, here's what I've thought about it. At the start of the bidding for your players which performed excellently last season, I would, if I were a Saints fan, probably be in the camp of Mark Saunders. But on further reflection, I think there's more than enough reason to be quite content about your situation now. If there's one thing about our club now that I'm proud of, it's that we're financially stable, and for the first time in quite some years, I'm not fearing my beloved club being liquidated. What's more is the club is in the hands of people who care about it. I agree with what I've read as the majority of Saints supporters that you have made quite considerable deals for players sold, and replaced with good (from what I hear) replacements. The only potential problem I see is continuity. But you have a proven manager at European level, and plenty of pounds in the bank should the right additions to the squad arrive. Best of luck to you this season, hopefully we'll be back playing you in the not too distant future. They are the best games.[/p][/quote]Interestingly enough discussing this very issue with friends last night. I asked the question "I wonder if our friends down the road, with the benefit of hindsight, would swap those couple of 'amazing purchased with unsustainable amounts of money seasons' for ongoing financial stability". I know what my preference will be so onwards and upwards, all be is slowly and steadily.[/p][/quote]Agreed - funny how one of the most rational posts on here recently was written by a Pompey fan - thanks Kit! Beer Monster
  • Score: 0

4:10pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Scallysaint says...

InsideOutCat wrote:
You sad, sad sod. You've crossed the line from supporting the club to thinking that reality is just like FIFA 2014.
People born n bred in southampton n have followed SFC all their lives as i have my first match being 1976 fa cup final n had season tkt for last 30 years r more upset wiv the fact that us FANS r being left in the dark about wats going on beind the scenes at the moment than when we were nearly out of buisness at least then we were kept informed.We cant just sit here typing away r feelings we need to act upon it for christs sake lets get answers PROTEST before its to late SFC FOREVER
[quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: You sad, sad sod. You've crossed the line from supporting the club to thinking that reality is just like FIFA 2014.[/p][/quote]People born n bred in southampton n have followed SFC all their lives as i have my first match being 1976 fa cup final n had season tkt for last 30 years r more upset wiv the fact that us FANS r being left in the dark about wats going on beind the scenes at the moment than when we were nearly out of buisness at least then we were kept informed.We cant just sit here typing away r feelings we need to act upon it for christs sake lets get answers PROTEST before its to late SFC FOREVER Scallysaint
  • Score: 0

6:59am Wed 30 Jul 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

Do you know, I'm seeing a lot of people with a complete lack of perspective.

Come September Southampton will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium, it will still have that wonderful youth academy and it will still have that amazing team who identified and plucked from obscurity players like Dejan Lovren, Morgan Schneiderlin, Rickie Lambert etc and turned them into PL standard players.

Come the first match against Liverpool, we will still be putting out a side. And don't forget, all we really need to be next season is to be better than 3 other PL teams come the end.

And if we do get relegated, we will STILL have the stadium, the academy and the back room staff.
The team from last season are gone, accept it and move on.
The most interesting comments from RK for me are the ones about 'no short cut to playing in Europe' it makes me wonder exactly what Cortese was trying to do and what promises he made.

Interesting times ahead,and I reckon we're still going to put a few noses out of joint just like last season.
Do you know, I'm seeing a lot of people with a complete lack of perspective. Come September Southampton will still have a UEFA 4 star stadium, it will still have that wonderful youth academy and it will still have that amazing team who identified and plucked from obscurity players like Dejan Lovren, Morgan Schneiderlin, Rickie Lambert etc and turned them into PL standard players. Come the first match against Liverpool, we will still be putting out a side. And don't forget, all we really need to be next season is to be better than 3 other PL teams come the end. And if we do get relegated, we will STILL have the stadium, the academy and the back room staff. The team from last season are gone, accept it and move on. The most interesting comments from RK for me are the ones about 'no short cut to playing in Europe' it makes me wonder exactly what Cortese was trying to do and what promises he made. Interesting times ahead,and I reckon we're still going to put a few noses out of joint just like last season. Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: -1

10:07am Wed 30 Jul 14

Emsworthsaint says...

Beer Monster wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Kit Symons wrote:
So, as a Pompey fan (in peace), I've watched the recent transfer news surrounding Saints with a bit of interest. For what it's worth, and for those that are interested, here's what I've thought about it.

At the start of the bidding for your players which performed excellently last season, I would, if I were a Saints fan, probably be in the camp of Mark Saunders. But on further reflection, I think there's more than enough reason to be quite content about your situation now. If there's one thing about our club now that I'm proud of, it's that we're financially stable, and for the first time in quite some years, I'm not fearing my beloved club being liquidated. What's more is the club is in the hands of people who care about it.

I agree with what I've read as the majority of Saints supporters that you have made quite considerable deals for players sold, and replaced with good (from what I hear) replacements.

The only potential problem I see is continuity. But you have a proven manager at European level, and plenty of pounds in the bank should the right additions to the squad arrive. Best of luck to you this season, hopefully we'll be back playing you in the not too distant future. They are the best games.
Interestingly enough discussing this very issue with friends last night. I asked the question "I wonder if our friends down the road, with the benefit of hindsight, would swap those couple of 'amazing purchased with unsustainable amounts of money seasons' for ongoing financial stability".

I know what my preference will be so onwards and upwards, all be is slowly and steadily.
Agreed - funny how one of the most rational posts on here recently was written by a Pompey fan - thanks Kit!
To all Saints fans :

The startling truth is that :

1. That xyz has signed a new 3-4 year contract means he is 'passing time' waiting for his agent to get him a better wage packet.

2. Never before has the whole game been about how much money can be earned in players wages.

3. Clubs below 6th place will be prey because they do not/will not pay eye watering wages.

4. Clubs who do the 'right thing' right, develop academies and are not prepared or cannot pay those wages will loose their players via agents who see great riches for themselves - all unknown faces/names to most of us.

5. We have to accept that players will go even if it means they move from being 'big fishes' in small ponds to squad players in big 'top 6' clubs because it's because they have doubled or trebled their wages.

6. So to sum up, Saints 2013/2014 success will lead to an 'ordinary' (at best) 2014/2015 season having banked 100 million (and no debt)

7. Football has totally changed. The FA and Club Administrators are powerless and cannot anything but watch.

8. Once a player says I want to be transferred, he will. Remember Kenwyn Jones - went 'on strike' for a week and Sunderland heard and bought him for 7 million - where is he now - no one wants him !
[quote][p][bold]Beer Monster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kit Symons[/bold] wrote: So, as a Pompey fan (in peace), I've watched the recent transfer news surrounding Saints with a bit of interest. For what it's worth, and for those that are interested, here's what I've thought about it. At the start of the bidding for your players which performed excellently last season, I would, if I were a Saints fan, probably be in the camp of Mark Saunders. But on further reflection, I think there's more than enough reason to be quite content about your situation now. If there's one thing about our club now that I'm proud of, it's that we're financially stable, and for the first time in quite some years, I'm not fearing my beloved club being liquidated. What's more is the club is in the hands of people who care about it. I agree with what I've read as the majority of Saints supporters that you have made quite considerable deals for players sold, and replaced with good (from what I hear) replacements. The only potential problem I see is continuity. But you have a proven manager at European level, and plenty of pounds in the bank should the right additions to the squad arrive. Best of luck to you this season, hopefully we'll be back playing you in the not too distant future. They are the best games.[/p][/quote]Interestingly enough discussing this very issue with friends last night. I asked the question "I wonder if our friends down the road, with the benefit of hindsight, would swap those couple of 'amazing purchased with unsustainable amounts of money seasons' for ongoing financial stability". I know what my preference will be so onwards and upwards, all be is slowly and steadily.[/p][/quote]Agreed - funny how one of the most rational posts on here recently was written by a Pompey fan - thanks Kit![/p][/quote]To all Saints fans : The startling truth is that : 1. That xyz has signed a new 3-4 year contract means he is 'passing time' waiting for his agent to get him a better wage packet. 2. Never before has the whole game been about how much money can be earned in players wages. 3. Clubs below 6th place will be prey because they do not/will not pay eye watering wages. 4. Clubs who do the 'right thing' right, develop academies and are not prepared or cannot pay those wages will loose their players via agents who see great riches for themselves - all unknown faces/names to most of us. 5. We have to accept that players will go even if it means they move from being 'big fishes' in small ponds to squad players in big 'top 6' clubs because it's because they have doubled or trebled their wages. 6. So to sum up, Saints 2013/2014 success will lead to an 'ordinary' (at best) 2014/2015 season having banked 100 million (and no debt) 7. Football has totally changed. The FA and Club Administrators are powerless and cannot anything but watch. 8. Once a player says I want to be transferred, he will. Remember Kenwyn Jones - went 'on strike' for a week and Sunderland heard and bought him for 7 million - where is he now - no one wants him ! Emsworthsaint
  • Score: 2

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