Liverpool boss forced to defend huge transfer fee paid for ex-Saints skipper Adam Lallana

Adam Lallana

Adam Lallana

First published in Sport

LIVERPOOL boss Brendan Rodgers has defended the amount of money he had to splash out to sign Saints captain Adam Lallana.

The Reds have paid around £24m for the 26-year-old England international – only a little bit less than Real Madrid paid for Germany’s World Cup winner Toni Kroos from Bayern Munich.

Rodgers, whose team are currently on tour in America, said of the Lallana transfer fee: “We paid what we thought he was worth and would not go higher.

“Listen, I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him ... to know he would be a great signing for us. He is a great boy.

“He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character.”

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7:49am Thu 24 Jul 14

milton road says...

Not interested he is the past and gone.
Not interested he is the past and gone. milton road
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7:53am Thu 24 Jul 14

apm1954 says...

why all the news from the backside of britain .
why all the news from the backside of britain . apm1954
  • Score: 76

7:56am Thu 24 Jul 14

userds5050 says...

Don't get the comparison with the Kroos' transfer fee. Kroos will be on four times more money at Real Madrid making him a hell of a lot more expensive over 5 years.
Don't get the comparison with the Kroos' transfer fee. Kroos will be on four times more money at Real Madrid making him a hell of a lot more expensive over 5 years. userds5050
  • Score: 50

7:57am Thu 24 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

Adam Lallana is history. Bring on Dusan Tadic!
Adam Lallana is history. Bring on Dusan Tadic! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 118

8:02am Thu 24 Jul 14

SaintPaddy says...

Adam Who?
Adam Who? SaintPaddy
  • Score: 75

8:17am Thu 24 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Who is the picture above with Adam? Is it Rickie, Luke and Jay Rod?
Who is the picture above with Adam? Is it Rickie, Luke and Jay Rod? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -7

8:19am Thu 24 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

Tony Kroos, World cup winner £20m
Adam lallana, Johnstones Paint Trophy winner £25m.
Tony Kroos, World cup winner £20m Adam lallana, Johnstones Paint Trophy winner £25m. costa gaz
  • Score: 68

8:29am Thu 24 Jul 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

I'm quite sure he enjoyed sitting on the bench in their last friendly.
it's a new position for him, but one I am sure he will settle into quite well for the coming season
I'm quite sure he enjoyed sitting on the bench in their last friendly. it's a new position for him, but one I am sure he will settle into quite well for the coming season Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 66

8:30am Thu 24 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

costa gaz wrote:
Tony Kroos, World cup winner £20m
Adam lallana, Johnstones Paint Trophy winner £25m.
A great bit of business for Saints then!
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Tony Kroos, World cup winner £20m Adam lallana, Johnstones Paint Trophy winner £25m.[/p][/quote]A great bit of business for Saints then! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 56

8:31am Thu 24 Jul 14

Malcombe says...

Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life
Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life Malcombe
  • Score: 40

8:35am Thu 24 Jul 14

Stnana says...

" I have been impressed by his mentality and character" really ? DE have you still not got the message that no one on here is interested in any of our ex players and especially not the lying, hypocritical two faced ones !
" I have been impressed by his mentality and character" really ? DE have you still not got the message that no one on here is interested in any of our ex players and especially not the lying, hypocritical two faced ones ! Stnana
  • Score: 52

8:36am Thu 24 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Who is the picture above with Adam? Is it Rickie, Luke and Jay Rod?
Ah, but isn't it even more significant that Lovren and Schneiderlin aren't it? Or, on second thoughts, perhaps there is no significance at all in who is and who isn't in the photo.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Who is the picture above with Adam? Is it Rickie, Luke and Jay Rod?[/p][/quote]Ah, but isn't it even more significant that Lovren and Schneiderlin aren't it? Or, on second thoughts, perhaps there is no significance at all in who is and who isn't in the photo. Rising_Son
  • Score: 28

8:36am Thu 24 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

lala and brenda - WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU IN SUNNY SOUTHAMPTON.

Message for Enrico Palazzo - it's good that you like some of my posts - there is a mixture of different styles on the FORUM.

WELCOME TO THE HARD-CORE - FIGHT AND WIN.
COYR+WS
lala and brenda - WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU IN SUNNY SOUTHAMPTON. Message for Enrico Palazzo - it's good that you like some of my posts - there is a mixture of different styles on the FORUM. WELCOME TO THE HARD-CORE - FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
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8:37am Thu 24 Jul 14

costa gaz says...

Stnana wrote:
" I have been impressed by his mentality and character" really ? DE have you still not got the message that no one on here is interested in any of our ex players and especially not the lying, hypocritical two faced ones !
......But you still post your comments.
[quote][p][bold]Stnana[/bold] wrote: " I have been impressed by his mentality and character" really ? DE have you still not got the message that no one on here is interested in any of our ex players and especially not the lying, hypocritical two faced ones ![/p][/quote]......But you still post your comments. costa gaz
  • Score: 1

8:38am Thu 24 Jul 14

miltonnroad76 says...

Acc to les read a few weeks ago saints had many targets to sign but all we hear about are players that Koeman knows in holland...getting worryed just few weeks till season starts and looks like we need a cb a midfeielder and a striker just to equal the side we had last year...no improvement while other teams have signed up players...not looking good esp up front with only Pelle and gallagher ...
Acc to les read a few weeks ago saints had many targets to sign but all we hear about are players that Koeman knows in holland...getting worryed just few weeks till season starts and looks like we need a cb a midfeielder and a striker just to equal the side we had last year...no improvement while other teams have signed up players...not looking good esp up front with only Pelle and gallagher ... miltonnroad76
  • Score: 10

8:42am Thu 24 Jul 14

RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE says...

Have we bought any more players yet ?
Have we bought any more players yet ? RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE
  • Score: 8

8:44am Thu 24 Jul 14

Chapperall says...

Not interested in other clubs info. Let's just have info on Saints please?
Having said that selling Lallana for that price was good business, as he is not world class and as said far better players are being sold for a lot less. However I am sure the contract he recently signed with a Saints came into it!
Not interested in other clubs info. Let's just have info on Saints please? Having said that selling Lallana for that price was good business, as he is not world class and as said far better players are being sold for a lot less. However I am sure the contract he recently signed with a Saints came into it! Chapperall
  • Score: 5

8:44am Thu 24 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Yeah we got to find out all about his character and the more admirable points of his personality and he'll get to hear exactly what we think of his moral fibre when he visits St Mary's. One of lifes weak weak weak egos with no sense of right or wrong - his parents should be proud of what they helped form shame it didn't come with principles and a back bone.
Yeah we got to find out all about his character and the more admirable points of his personality and he'll get to hear exactly what we think of his moral fibre when he visits St Mary's. One of lifes weak weak weak egos with no sense of right or wrong - his parents should be proud of what they helped form shame it didn't come with principles and a back bone. jls217
  • Score: 9

8:47am Thu 24 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 18

8:51am Thu 24 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman. Rising_Son
  • Score: 18

8:52am Thu 24 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

9:03am Thu 24 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does. Rising_Son
  • Score: 18

9:15am Thu 24 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Seed its the managers job to let us know whats going on not the chairmans, he should be in the background doing his work quietly. We never heard from NC so why the sudden change? Different times you st, well yes we now have a manager who is allowed to talk!
Does he have to be in the country to support les and the board? Can he not communicate via phone and Skype?
Sammynobrains is able to tell us whats happening from the emerald city!

Milton76, perhaps the club did have a list of potential targets for the manger to look at but he might have decided to go with his choices, nothing wrong with that is there? Would NC have allowed a manager to have so much say? Well we know he didn't! AP hard to really convince him to bring Rickie here, no one knows who wanted Gaston or vergard did MP choose big Vic? Don't know but again had to convince NC to get Osvaldo. It looks like Ronnie has his own choices of who to go for, which looks a nice change.

As for this story about lielanna, why did the echo bother, I'm sure that search for one in the crowd would have copied and pasted it from the scouse echo for us!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Seed its the managers job to let us know whats going on not the chairmans, he should be in the background doing his work quietly. We never heard from NC so why the sudden change? Different times you st, well yes we now have a manager who is allowed to talk! Does he have to be in the country to support les and the board? Can he not communicate via phone and Skype? Sammynobrains is able to tell us whats happening from the emerald city! Milton76, perhaps the club did have a list of potential targets for the manger to look at but he might have decided to go with his choices, nothing wrong with that is there? Would NC have allowed a manager to have so much say? Well we know he didn't! AP hard to really convince him to bring Rickie here, no one knows who wanted Gaston or vergard did MP choose big Vic? Don't know but again had to convince NC to get Osvaldo. It looks like Ronnie has his own choices of who to go for, which looks a nice change. As for this story about lielanna, why did the echo bother, I'm sure that search for one in the crowd would have copied and pasted it from the scouse echo for us! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 6

9:18am Thu 24 Jul 14

Dave Juson says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise? Dave Juson
  • Score: 12

9:20am Thu 24 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod.

I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod. I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -9

9:21am Thu 24 Jul 14

fritzer says...

We (and Bournemouth) have got the cash, who cares about Rodgers, who is Lallana ? COYR
We (and Bournemouth) have got the cash, who cares about Rodgers, who is Lallana ? COYR fritzer
  • Score: 19

9:32am Thu 24 Jul 14

Dave Juson says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod.

I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.
There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war.
We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod. I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.[/p][/quote]There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war. We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath. Dave Juson
  • Score: 20

9:33am Thu 24 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod.

I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.
Your points are valid but perhaps they could also be used to argue that Les and RoKo would be more effective in persuading Schneiderlin to stay or players to come without him around.

I don't have the evidence to argue either way.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod. I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.[/p][/quote]Your points are valid but perhaps they could also be used to argue that Les and RoKo would be more effective in persuading Schneiderlin to stay or players to come without him around. I don't have the evidence to argue either way. Rising_Son
  • Score: 3

9:44am Thu 24 Jul 14

killared says...

People on here will hate me after my comment but Lallana had one good in the EPL season 2013/2014 with Saints and Looserpool bought him for 26 million. Luke Shaw one good season 2013/2014 Manchester Diving academy bought him for 32 million. Saints robbed Manchester and Liverpool so it's a win for us
People on here will hate me after my comment but Lallana had one good in the EPL season 2013/2014 with Saints and Looserpool bought him for 26 million. Luke Shaw one good season 2013/2014 Manchester Diving academy bought him for 32 million. Saints robbed Manchester and Liverpool so it's a win for us killared
  • Score: 39

9:44am Thu 24 Jul 14

Beer Monster says...

Giveashitometer going nowhere...
Giveashitometer going nowhere... Beer Monster
  • Score: 12

9:48am Thu 24 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

killared wrote:
People on here will hate me after my comment but Lallana had one good in the EPL season 2013/2014 with Saints and Looserpool bought him for 26 million. Luke Shaw one good season 2013/2014 Manchester Diving academy bought him for 32 million. Saints robbed Manchester and Liverpool so it's a win for us
Football is about results. It is only a win for us if we reinvest that money in players who better eighth position.
[quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: People on here will hate me after my comment but Lallana had one good in the EPL season 2013/2014 with Saints and Looserpool bought him for 26 million. Luke Shaw one good season 2013/2014 Manchester Diving academy bought him for 32 million. Saints robbed Manchester and Liverpool so it's a win for us[/p][/quote]Football is about results. It is only a win for us if we reinvest that money in players who better eighth position. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 21

9:54am Thu 24 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod.

I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.
Your points are valid but perhaps they could also be used to argue that Les and RoKo would be more effective in persuading Schneiderlin to stay or players to come without him around.

I don't have the evidence to argue either way.
Again it it should be the manager who should persuade a player to stay, a manager who decides if a player should go or indeed come in. The manager is the one who should deal with the players not the chairman! Its clear for all to see that, as much good as he did, NC had too much control over the running of the club and had way too much influence over the players. The chairman should get on with his job of running the club, whats the point in having a manager if the chairman decides what players we sell or buy etc, next step will be the chairman picking the team, and I believe some on here accused NC of insisting certain players were picked. We don't need to hear from Ralph or les we only need to hear from Ronnie and his coaches.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod. I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.[/p][/quote]Your points are valid but perhaps they could also be used to argue that Les and RoKo would be more effective in persuading Schneiderlin to stay or players to come without him around. I don't have the evidence to argue either way.[/p][/quote]Again it it should be the manager who should persuade a player to stay, a manager who decides if a player should go or indeed come in. The manager is the one who should deal with the players not the chairman! Its clear for all to see that, as much good as he did, NC had too much control over the running of the club and had way too much influence over the players. The chairman should get on with his job of running the club, whats the point in having a manager if the chairman decides what players we sell or buy etc, next step will be the chairman picking the team, and I believe some on here accused NC of insisting certain players were picked. We don't need to hear from Ralph or les we only need to hear from Ronnie and his coaches. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 2

9:58am Thu 24 Jul 14

Numpty Girl says...

miltonnroad76 wrote:
Acc to les read a few weeks ago saints had many targets to sign but all we hear about are players that Koeman knows in holland...getting worryed just few weeks till season starts and looks like we need a cb a midfeielder and a striker just to equal the side we had last year...no improvement while other teams have signed up players...not looking good esp up front with only Pelle and gallagher ...
The Board's special player- tracking and procurement unit comprising twenty staff is supposed to be working 24/7 to find us the world's best players according to our amazing Superman also known as Les Read!
The desperate sole reliance on Koeman's old Feyonord squad
is quite at variance with this!
It looks like Les doesn't really know what he's doing.
We could save cash at this rate by sacking those clearly redundant staff! - that's if they exist, of course!
[quote][p][bold]miltonnroad76[/bold] wrote: Acc to les read a few weeks ago saints had many targets to sign but all we hear about are players that Koeman knows in holland...getting worryed just few weeks till season starts and looks like we need a cb a midfeielder and a striker just to equal the side we had last year...no improvement while other teams have signed up players...not looking good esp up front with only Pelle and gallagher ...[/p][/quote]The Board's special player- tracking and procurement unit comprising twenty staff is supposed to be working 24/7 to find us the world's best players according to our amazing Superman also known as Les Read! The desperate sole reliance on Koeman's old Feyonord squad is quite at variance with this! It looks like Les doesn't really know what he's doing. We could save cash at this rate by sacking those clearly redundant staff! - that's if they exist, of course! Numpty Girl
  • Score: 3

9:59am Thu 24 Jul 14

killared says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
killared wrote:
People on here will hate me after my comment but Lallana had one good in the EPL season 2013/2014 with Saints and Looserpool bought him for 26 million. Luke Shaw one good season 2013/2014 Manchester Diving academy bought him for 32 million. Saints robbed Manchester and Liverpool so it's a win for us
Football is about results. It is only a win for us if we reinvest that money in players who better eighth position.
We already replacement for Shaw , Only time will tell for Pelle and Tadic if they are good enough. Remember these two need to adapt to the EPL they won't be instant hit. Remember what Paul Scholes said not long ago The EPL are full of average foreign players unless they are from the top 4 which is very true . I just hope I am wrong with them two.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: People on here will hate me after my comment but Lallana had one good in the EPL season 2013/2014 with Saints and Looserpool bought him for 26 million. Luke Shaw one good season 2013/2014 Manchester Diving academy bought him for 32 million. Saints robbed Manchester and Liverpool so it's a win for us[/p][/quote]Football is about results. It is only a win for us if we reinvest that money in players who better eighth position.[/p][/quote]We already replacement for Shaw , Only time will tell for Pelle and Tadic if they are good enough. Remember these two need to adapt to the EPL they won't be instant hit. Remember what Paul Scholes said not long ago The EPL are full of average foreign players unless they are from the top 4 which is very true . I just hope I am wrong with them two. killared
  • Score: 6

10:00am Thu 24 Jul 14

Confucious says...

Dave Juson wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod.

I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.
There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war.
We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath.
I think you may be a trifle complacent here and fear Seed may be right.

Rather than take any chances I have e mailed Ronald urgently regarding our defensive vulnerability now that Shaw has deserted and Lovren is on the run too.

With a difficult battle clearly on the way, I think that in particular we need to make St Marys a fortress.

I have no doubt that Ronald is preparing hidden slit trenches with concealed covers within each of the goal areas. But I think it likely our defenders therein will be equipped with the Furrer M25 Heckler & Koch light machine gun - as used by the Dutch army. What they need is the vastly superior Alvis Vickers .50 heavy machine gun as used by the British army.

I have also e mailed the Commercial Dept to request that the club shop make available red & white striped flak jackets and badged tin helmets for supporters. They must remember that, for now at least, all the supporters are volunteers. Unless and until fans are conscripted, proper protective clothing must be made available to them for optional purchase.

RedArmy!
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod. I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.[/p][/quote]There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war. We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath.[/p][/quote]I think you may be a trifle complacent here and fear Seed may be right. Rather than take any chances I have e mailed Ronald urgently regarding our defensive vulnerability now that Shaw has deserted and Lovren is on the run too. With a difficult battle clearly on the way, I think that in particular we need to make St Marys a fortress. I have no doubt that Ronald is preparing hidden slit trenches with concealed covers within each of the goal areas. But I think it likely our defenders therein will be equipped with the Furrer M25 Heckler & Koch light machine gun - as used by the Dutch army. What they need is the vastly superior Alvis Vickers .50 heavy machine gun as used by the British army. I have also e mailed the Commercial Dept to request that the club shop make available red & white striped flak jackets and badged tin helmets for supporters. They must remember that, for now at least, all the supporters are volunteers. Unless and until fans are conscripted, proper protective clothing must be made available to them for optional purchase. RedArmy! Confucious
  • Score: 13

10:01am Thu 24 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Dave Juson wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod.

I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.
There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war.
We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath.
Why the personal abuse? I believe Ralph is not suited to this role and I will say so if I chose.

I also believe having built a company from scratch to third largest in the UK employing 120 people and punching far more profitably than the top two gives me some experience to comment on business structure and business does need leaders. That is why so many ex senior military people have gone on to be very successful in business.

Disagree with me by all means but drop the abuse. Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod. I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.[/p][/quote]There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war. We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath.[/p][/quote]Why the personal abuse? I believe Ralph is not suited to this role and I will say so if I chose. I also believe having built a company from scratch to third largest in the UK employing 120 people and punching far more profitably than the top two gives me some experience to comment on business structure and business does need leaders. That is why so many ex senior military people have gone on to be very successful in business. Disagree with me by all means but drop the abuse. Thank you. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 6

10:05am Thu 24 Jul 14

Malcombe says...

Les Reed has taken some battering on here but I believe he'll tread hot coals for SFC to bring in the best, you can bet your life Ronald Koeman has been given names of Players who are possible targets and is searching Youtube, a message for de Heiligen paard 101 your comment about a certain WUM and traitor to this Site, will this person want to post on here now he's thinks he got satisfaction, perhaps he's having difficulty posting we will have to wait to see in anticipation that perhaps he's tired of the abuse so will devote all his energy to where it should be posted in a Paper more appropriate to the Club he is suppose to support no doubt from an Armchair in the Lounge
Les Reed has taken some battering on here but I believe he'll tread hot coals for SFC to bring in the best, you can bet your life Ronald Koeman has been given names of Players who are possible targets and is searching Youtube, a message for de Heiligen paard 101 your comment about a certain WUM and traitor to this Site, will this person want to post on here now he's thinks he got satisfaction, perhaps he's having difficulty posting we will have to wait to see in anticipation that perhaps he's tired of the abuse so will devote all his energy to where it should be posted in a Paper more appropriate to the Club he is suppose to support no doubt from an Armchair in the Lounge Malcombe
  • Score: -4

10:21am Thu 24 Jul 14

Dave Juson says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod.

I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.
There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war.
We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath.
Why the personal abuse? I believe Ralph is not suited to this role and I will say so if I chose.

I also believe having built a company from scratch to third largest in the UK employing 120 people and punching far more profitably than the top two gives me some experience to comment on business structure and business does need leaders. That is why so many ex senior military people have gone on to be very successful in business.

Disagree with me by all means but drop the abuse. Thank you.
I am not being abusive, I am merely pointing out that your perception of what is, or is not, going on at St Mary’s is delusional (if you have evidence to the contrary please enlighten us) and your opinions as regards what you think should be done about the “situation” are paranoid.
You could be the king of America or China for all I care, that does not entitle you to pronounce from where the sun never shines on a set of circumstances that only exist in your head.
And no, thank you.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod. I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.[/p][/quote]There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war. We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath.[/p][/quote]Why the personal abuse? I believe Ralph is not suited to this role and I will say so if I chose. I also believe having built a company from scratch to third largest in the UK employing 120 people and punching far more profitably than the top two gives me some experience to comment on business structure and business does need leaders. That is why so many ex senior military people have gone on to be very successful in business. Disagree with me by all means but drop the abuse. Thank you.[/p][/quote]I am not being abusive, I am merely pointing out that your perception of what is, or is not, going on at St Mary’s is delusional (if you have evidence to the contrary please enlighten us) and your opinions as regards what you think should be done about the “situation” are paranoid. You could be the king of America or China for all I care, that does not entitle you to pronounce from where the sun never shines on a set of circumstances that only exist in your head. And no, thank you. Dave Juson
  • Score: -1

10:22am Thu 24 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
miltonnroad76 wrote:
Acc to les read a few weeks ago saints had many targets to sign but all we hear about are players that Koeman knows in holland...getting worryed just few weeks till season starts and looks like we need a cb a midfeielder and a striker just to equal the side we had last year...no improvement while other teams have signed up players...not looking good esp up front with only Pelle and gallagher ...
The Board's special player- tracking and procurement unit comprising twenty staff is supposed to be working 24/7 to find us the world's best players according to our amazing Superman also known as Les Read!
The desperate sole reliance on Koeman's old Feyonord squad
is quite at variance with this!
It looks like Les doesn't really know what he's doing.
We could save cash at this rate by sacking those clearly redundant staff! - that's if they exist, of course!
any new manager gets linked with his former players, pochaliar is and has been linked with many of our squad. of the players we have been linked with or brought vlaar played for Ronnie for 1 season, and the only link is Ronnie saying he is a good player.
forster has no connection, as far as I can see.
Redmond, again no connection.
pelle played for him.
tadic played in the same league.
so where is the reliance on his old Feyenoord?
the scouting department was spoken about many times by NC so unless he and the new board are both lying its fair to assume they do exist! they will also look at players and offer a list of potential targets, but the manager needs to pick his own players not the club. he may pick from a list given to him but he should pick.
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonnroad76[/bold] wrote: Acc to les read a few weeks ago saints had many targets to sign but all we hear about are players that Koeman knows in holland...getting worryed just few weeks till season starts and looks like we need a cb a midfeielder and a striker just to equal the side we had last year...no improvement while other teams have signed up players...not looking good esp up front with only Pelle and gallagher ...[/p][/quote]The Board's special player- tracking and procurement unit comprising twenty staff is supposed to be working 24/7 to find us the world's best players according to our amazing Superman also known as Les Read! The desperate sole reliance on Koeman's old Feyonord squad is quite at variance with this! It looks like Les doesn't really know what he's doing. We could save cash at this rate by sacking those clearly redundant staff! - that's if they exist, of course![/p][/quote]any new manager gets linked with his former players, pochaliar is and has been linked with many of our squad. of the players we have been linked with or brought vlaar played for Ronnie for 1 season, and the only link is Ronnie saying he is a good player. forster has no connection, as far as I can see. Redmond, again no connection. pelle played for him. tadic played in the same league. so where is the reliance on his old Feyenoord? the scouting department was spoken about many times by NC so unless he and the new board are both lying its fair to assume they do exist! they will also look at players and offer a list of potential targets, but the manager needs to pick his own players not the club. he may pick from a list given to him but he should pick. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 0

10:36am Thu 24 Jul 14

settheSTandard says...

"I also believe having built a company from scratch to third largest in the UK employing 120 people" ?????????
"I also believe having built a company from scratch to third largest in the UK employing 120 people" ????????? settheSTandard
  • Score: 10

10:41am Thu 24 Jul 14

Knackers says...

I think lallana is a great player and will go onto great things.same with shaw and lovren.shame as we were close to top 6.i think Liverpool with current squad will go close to the title and as a player that's what you want.just a shame he behaved like he did to get the move.
I think lallana is a great player and will go onto great things.same with shaw and lovren.shame as we were close to top 6.i think Liverpool with current squad will go close to the title and as a player that's what you want.just a shame he behaved like he did to get the move. Knackers
  • Score: 5

10:53am Thu 24 Jul 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod.

I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.
There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war.
We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath.
Why the personal abuse? I believe Ralph is not suited to this role and I will say so if I chose.

I also believe having built a company from scratch to third largest in the UK employing 120 people and punching far more profitably than the top two gives me some experience to comment on business structure and business does need leaders. That is why so many ex senior military people have gone on to be very successful in business.

Disagree with me by all means but drop the abuse. Thank you.
#bullshitometer running at full capacity today and as always for seed...

3rd largest company in the UK...

Surely you'd be a multi multi multi-millionaire, so why not give Katharina a call and see if she really is selling?? Put your money where your mouth is and shut up.

I don't understand how someone so successful as yourself would spend so much time commenting on daily echo forums, all day AND night...???
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod. I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.[/p][/quote]There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war. We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath.[/p][/quote]Why the personal abuse? I believe Ralph is not suited to this role and I will say so if I chose. I also believe having built a company from scratch to third largest in the UK employing 120 people and punching far more profitably than the top two gives me some experience to comment on business structure and business does need leaders. That is why so many ex senior military people have gone on to be very successful in business. Disagree with me by all means but drop the abuse. Thank you.[/p][/quote]#bullshitometer running at full capacity today and as always for seed... 3rd largest company in the UK... Surely you'd be a multi multi multi-millionaire, so why not give Katharina a call and see if she really is selling?? Put your money where your mouth is and shut up. I don't understand how someone so successful as yourself would spend so much time commenting on daily echo forums, all day AND night...??? SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 16

10:53am Thu 24 Jul 14

spratt says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Oh is that where Ralph is - I have been wondering. As far as the academy is concerned maybe he is negotiating a sale to Tescos or some other buyer
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Oh is that where Ralph is - I have been wondering. As far as the academy is concerned maybe he is negotiating a sale to Tescos or some other buyer spratt
  • Score: 10

10:53am Thu 24 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
Nothing much for him to do here mate except get under the feet of the training staff. Academy links in the USA is a shrew forward thinking move. Would be better if Saints bought a middle of the road team over there though. Anybody doubting the advances Football has made in the states just think back to the World cup and the fact that we have their future GK in our youth set up too. The club is not under attack, a minor siege maybe but not attack The Rambo brothers have everything under control and Les can sign a cheque once Rambo has decided exactly what he needs. Modern comms means Freddie is never far away and can keep his finger on the pulse from wherever he thinks he can serve the club best and with his contacts in the states - then this idea is one of the best things I've heard since Liarllana told us he wanted to spend the rest of his career at Saints and all that meaningless blx he came out with. The future is bright and never was doom and schyte.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]Nothing much for him to do here mate except get under the feet of the training staff. Academy links in the USA is a shrew forward thinking move. Would be better if Saints bought a middle of the road team over there though. Anybody doubting the advances Football has made in the states just think back to the World cup and the fact that we have their future GK in our youth set up too. The club is not under attack, a minor siege maybe but not attack The Rambo brothers have everything under control and Les can sign a cheque once Rambo has decided exactly what he needs. Modern comms means Freddie is never far away and can keep his finger on the pulse from wherever he thinks he can serve the club best and with his contacts in the states - then this idea is one of the best things I've heard since Liarllana told us he wanted to spend the rest of his career at Saints and all that meaningless blx he came out with. The future is bright and never was doom and schyte. jls217
  • Score: 4

10:53am Thu 24 Jul 14

cotswoldsaint says...

Yesterday's Manchester Evening News transfer collapsed so you thought you might stand a better chance with the Liverpool Echo, did you DE sports reporter? Get a grip, man, they're out of your league.
Yesterday's Manchester Evening News transfer collapsed so you thought you might stand a better chance with the Liverpool Echo, did you DE sports reporter? Get a grip, man, they're out of your league. cotswoldsaint
  • Score: 4

10:54am Thu 24 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Dave Juson wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod.

I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.
There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war.
We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath.
Why the personal abuse? I believe Ralph is not suited to this role and I will say so if I chose.

I also believe having built a company from scratch to third largest in the UK employing 120 people and punching far more profitably than the top two gives me some experience to comment on business structure and business does need leaders. That is why so many ex senior military people have gone on to be very successful in business.

Disagree with me by all means but drop the abuse. Thank you.
I am not being abusive, I am merely pointing out that your perception of what is, or is not, going on at St Mary’s is delusional (if you have evidence to the contrary please enlighten us) and your opinions as regards what you think should be done about the “situation” are paranoid.
You could be the king of America or China for all I care, that does not entitle you to pronounce from where the sun never shines on a set of circumstances that only exist in your head.
And no, thank you.
Ok. My evidence is this:

Previous chairman took over in league 1 on -10 points and under him we won the jpt, had back to back promotions, stayed in the Prem fairly comfortably and then pushed on to gain 8th position.

Under the new chairman we have lost our high regarded manager and his team, lost our captain, lost our talisman, lost the most prized up and coming left back in world football today and have other highly rated players seemingly wanting away from the club. He has also struck a shirt sponsorship deal with a small local company who cannot be paying very much even if they are giving us their entire turnover.

He has appointed Ron. That's his one success that I can see.

Please tell me why you think he is successful and also why you think he is the correct appointment as Chairman of a Premier League football club.

Objective and not subjective please.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod. I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.[/p][/quote]There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war. We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath.[/p][/quote]Why the personal abuse? I believe Ralph is not suited to this role and I will say so if I chose. I also believe having built a company from scratch to third largest in the UK employing 120 people and punching far more profitably than the top two gives me some experience to comment on business structure and business does need leaders. That is why so many ex senior military people have gone on to be very successful in business. Disagree with me by all means but drop the abuse. Thank you.[/p][/quote]I am not being abusive, I am merely pointing out that your perception of what is, or is not, going on at St Mary’s is delusional (if you have evidence to the contrary please enlighten us) and your opinions as regards what you think should be done about the “situation” are paranoid. You could be the king of America or China for all I care, that does not entitle you to pronounce from where the sun never shines on a set of circumstances that only exist in your head. And no, thank you.[/p][/quote]Ok. My evidence is this: Previous chairman took over in league 1 on -10 points and under him we won the jpt, had back to back promotions, stayed in the Prem fairly comfortably and then pushed on to gain 8th position. Under the new chairman we have lost our high regarded manager and his team, lost our captain, lost our talisman, lost the most prized up and coming left back in world football today and have other highly rated players seemingly wanting away from the club. He has also struck a shirt sponsorship deal with a small local company who cannot be paying very much even if they are giving us their entire turnover. He has appointed Ron. That's his one success that I can see. Please tell me why you think he is successful and also why you think he is the correct appointment as Chairman of a Premier League football club. Objective and not subjective please. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

10:56am Thu 24 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

jls217 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
Nothing much for him to do here mate except get under the feet of the training staff. Academy links in the USA is a shrew forward thinking move. Would be better if Saints bought a middle of the road team over there though. Anybody doubting the advances Football has made in the states just think back to the World cup and the fact that we have their future GK in our youth set up too. The club is not under attack, a minor siege maybe but not attack The Rambo brothers have everything under control and Les can sign a cheque once Rambo has decided exactly what he needs. Modern comms means Freddie is never far away and can keep his finger on the pulse from wherever he thinks he can serve the club best and with his contacts in the states - then this idea is one of the best things I've heard since Liarllana told us he wanted to spend the rest of his career at Saints and all that meaningless blx he came out with. The future is bright and never was doom and schyte.
A big thumbs up for your words!
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]Nothing much for him to do here mate except get under the feet of the training staff. Academy links in the USA is a shrew forward thinking move. Would be better if Saints bought a middle of the road team over there though. Anybody doubting the advances Football has made in the states just think back to the World cup and the fact that we have their future GK in our youth set up too. The club is not under attack, a minor siege maybe but not attack The Rambo brothers have everything under control and Les can sign a cheque once Rambo has decided exactly what he needs. Modern comms means Freddie is never far away and can keep his finger on the pulse from wherever he thinks he can serve the club best and with his contacts in the states - then this idea is one of the best things I've heard since Liarllana told us he wanted to spend the rest of his career at Saints and all that meaningless blx he came out with. The future is bright and never was doom and schyte.[/p][/quote]A big thumbs up for your words! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: -8

11:01am Thu 24 Jul 14

jls217 says...

miltonnroad76 wrote:
Acc to les read a few weeks ago saints had many targets to sign but all we hear about are players that Koeman knows in holland...getting worryed just few weeks till season starts and looks like we need a cb a midfeielder and a striker just to equal the side we had last year...no improvement while other teams have signed up players...not looking good esp up front with only Pelle and gallagher ...
Why do we need a MF? We need one maybe two CB'S, another GK and a striker and arguably a LB (Some don't agree on that one though)

MF = Wannayamoney, JWP, Kadic, Davis, Corky, Isted, Ramirez, (Spyder?) plus one from the academy (maybe there's two ready to make the leap up) Our MF especially if Spyder stays (there's still a slim chance!) is the equal of any in the country. Up front and defence needs shoring up however.

It's all about opinions I guess eh!?
[quote][p][bold]miltonnroad76[/bold] wrote: Acc to les read a few weeks ago saints had many targets to sign but all we hear about are players that Koeman knows in holland...getting worryed just few weeks till season starts and looks like we need a cb a midfeielder and a striker just to equal the side we had last year...no improvement while other teams have signed up players...not looking good esp up front with only Pelle and gallagher ...[/p][/quote]Why do we need a MF? We need one maybe two CB'S, another GK and a striker and arguably a LB (Some don't agree on that one though) MF = Wannayamoney, JWP, Kadic, Davis, Corky, Isted, Ramirez, (Spyder?) plus one from the academy (maybe there's two ready to make the leap up) Our MF especially if Spyder stays (there's still a slim chance!) is the equal of any in the country. Up front and defence needs shoring up however. It's all about opinions I guess eh!? jls217
  • Score: -5

11:06am Thu 24 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod.

I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.
There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war.
We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath.
Why the personal abuse? I believe Ralph is not suited to this role and I will say so if I chose.

I also believe having built a company from scratch to third largest in the UK employing 120 people and punching far more profitably than the top two gives me some experience to comment on business structure and business does need leaders. That is why so many ex senior military people have gone on to be very successful in business.

Disagree with me by all means but drop the abuse. Thank you.
#bullshitometer running at full capacity today and as always for seed...

3rd largest company in the UK...

Surely you'd be a multi multi multi-millionaire, so why not give Katharina a call and see if she really is selling?? Put your money where your mouth is and shut up.

I don't understand how someone so successful as yourself would spend so much time commenting on daily echo forums, all day AND night...???
Third largest in our market. But then you knew I meant that didn't you?

Why the big chip?
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod. I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.[/p][/quote]There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war. We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath.[/p][/quote]Why the personal abuse? I believe Ralph is not suited to this role and I will say so if I chose. I also believe having built a company from scratch to third largest in the UK employing 120 people and punching far more profitably than the top two gives me some experience to comment on business structure and business does need leaders. That is why so many ex senior military people have gone on to be very successful in business. Disagree with me by all means but drop the abuse. Thank you.[/p][/quote]#bullshitometer running at full capacity today and as always for seed... 3rd largest company in the UK... Surely you'd be a multi multi multi-millionaire, so why not give Katharina a call and see if she really is selling?? Put your money where your mouth is and shut up. I don't understand how someone so successful as yourself would spend so much time commenting on daily echo forums, all day AND night...???[/p][/quote]Third largest in our market. But then you knew I meant that didn't you? Why the big chip? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -5

11:08am Thu 24 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod.

I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.
Oh Seed! Sometimes the depths of your despair appears limitless, it is indeed fathomless.

Convincing Spyder or Lovren to stay and Vlar to come will be the job of Les and The Rambo bros, Freddie does not need to be involved except to rubber stamp the decision. If he pulls off an academy link up or team link up in the states he will have done a fantastic job for the long term good of this club, the USA could well be the future of football once it implodes here - which it will do as all bubbles have done in the past. Have faith. In the word of the Beach Boys - Good Vibrations are happening...........
.....
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod. I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.[/p][/quote]Oh Seed! Sometimes the depths of your despair appears limitless, it is indeed fathomless. Convincing Spyder or Lovren to stay and Vlar to come will be the job of Les and The Rambo bros, Freddie does not need to be involved except to rubber stamp the decision. If he pulls off an academy link up or team link up in the states he will have done a fantastic job for the long term good of this club, the USA could well be the future of football once it implodes here - which it will do as all bubbles have done in the past. Have faith. In the word of the Beach Boys - Good Vibrations are happening........... ..... jls217
  • Score: 16

11:11am Thu 24 Jul 14

Numpty Girl says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
miltonnroad76 wrote:
Acc to les read a few weeks ago saints had many targets to sign but all we hear about are players that Koeman knows in holland...getting worryed just few weeks till season starts and looks like we need a cb a midfeielder and a striker just to equal the side we had last year...no improvement while other teams have signed up players...not looking good esp up front with only Pelle and gallagher ...
The Board's special player- tracking and procurement unit comprising twenty staff is supposed to be working 24/7 to find us the world's best players according to our amazing Superman also known as Les Read!
The desperate sole reliance on Koeman's old Feyonord squad
is quite at variance with this!
It looks like Les doesn't really know what he's doing.
We could save cash at this rate by sacking those clearly redundant staff! - that's if they exist, of course!
any new manager gets linked with his former players, pochaliar is and has been linked with many of our squad. of the players we have been linked with or brought vlaar played for Ronnie for 1 season, and the only link is Ronnie saying he is a good player.
forster has no connection, as far as I can see.
Redmond, again no connection.
pelle played for him.
tadic played in the same league.
so where is the reliance on his old Feyenoord?
the scouting department was spoken about many times by NC so unless he and the new board are both lying its fair to assume they do exist! they will also look at players and offer a list of potential targets, but the manager needs to pick his own players not the club. he may pick from a list given to him but he should pick.
Perhaps I should have broadened my definition to include Feyonoord connections! The bottom line is that we have only signed Dutch League players. Forster and Redmond haven't been signed yet!
Whilst RoKo needs to have the major say in who we sign, I think we need to cast our nets wider than RoKo's connections in Holland if we are to be successful. If the Unit exists, then surely we should have been linked with more potential purchases than we have been? Perhaps the Unit is no more than Les keeping an eye on who's available on Sky Sports News?!
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonnroad76[/bold] wrote: Acc to les read a few weeks ago saints had many targets to sign but all we hear about are players that Koeman knows in holland...getting worryed just few weeks till season starts and looks like we need a cb a midfeielder and a striker just to equal the side we had last year...no improvement while other teams have signed up players...not looking good esp up front with only Pelle and gallagher ...[/p][/quote]The Board's special player- tracking and procurement unit comprising twenty staff is supposed to be working 24/7 to find us the world's best players according to our amazing Superman also known as Les Read! The desperate sole reliance on Koeman's old Feyonord squad is quite at variance with this! It looks like Les doesn't really know what he's doing. We could save cash at this rate by sacking those clearly redundant staff! - that's if they exist, of course![/p][/quote]any new manager gets linked with his former players, pochaliar is and has been linked with many of our squad. of the players we have been linked with or brought vlaar played for Ronnie for 1 season, and the only link is Ronnie saying he is a good player. forster has no connection, as far as I can see. Redmond, again no connection. pelle played for him. tadic played in the same league. so where is the reliance on his old Feyenoord? the scouting department was spoken about many times by NC so unless he and the new board are both lying its fair to assume they do exist! they will also look at players and offer a list of potential targets, but the manager needs to pick his own players not the club. he may pick from a list given to him but he should pick.[/p][/quote]Perhaps I should have broadened my definition to include Feyonoord connections! The bottom line is that we have only signed Dutch League players. Forster and Redmond haven't been signed yet! Whilst RoKo needs to have the major say in who we sign, I think we need to cast our nets wider than RoKo's connections in Holland if we are to be successful. If the Unit exists, then surely we should have been linked with more potential purchases than we have been? Perhaps the Unit is no more than Les keeping an eye on who's available on Sky Sports News?! Numpty Girl
  • Score: 0

11:15am Thu 24 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

killared wrote:
People on here will hate me after my comment but Lallana had one good in the EPL season 2013/2014 with Saints and Looserpool bought him for 26 million. Luke Shaw one good season 2013/2014 Manchester Diving academy bought him for 32 million. Saints robbed Manchester and Liverpool so it's a win for us
I agree up to a point, but at the moment I don't see a lot of the money being reinvested in the Players that we need to survive in the Premier. You can understand the frustration of others at the lack of any real progress. That's coming from a happy clapper that still has the faith, but is losing a wee bit of patience. You can see that there is plenty of young talent waiting to break through in to the side. They won't be able to do it on their own, they will need some experienced and skilful players around them to make it all work.
[quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: People on here will hate me after my comment but Lallana had one good in the EPL season 2013/2014 with Saints and Looserpool bought him for 26 million. Luke Shaw one good season 2013/2014 Manchester Diving academy bought him for 32 million. Saints robbed Manchester and Liverpool so it's a win for us[/p][/quote]I agree up to a point, but at the moment I don't see a lot of the money being reinvested in the Players that we need to survive in the Premier. You can understand the frustration of others at the lack of any real progress. That's coming from a happy clapper that still has the faith, but is losing a wee bit of patience. You can see that there is plenty of young talent waiting to break through in to the side. They won't be able to do it on their own, they will need some experienced and skilful players around them to make it all work. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

11:15am Thu 24 Jul 14

Dave Juson says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod.

I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.
There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war.
We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath.
Why the personal abuse? I believe Ralph is not suited to this role and I will say so if I chose.

I also believe having built a company from scratch to third largest in the UK employing 120 people and punching far more profitably than the top two gives me some experience to comment on business structure and business does need leaders. That is why so many ex senior military people have gone on to be very successful in business.

Disagree with me by all means but drop the abuse. Thank you.
I am not being abusive, I am merely pointing out that your perception of what is, or is not, going on at St Mary’s is delusional (if you have evidence to the contrary please enlighten us) and your opinions as regards what you think should be done about the “situation” are paranoid.
You could be the king of America or China for all I care, that does not entitle you to pronounce from where the sun never shines on a set of circumstances that only exist in your head.
And no, thank you.
Ok. My evidence is this:

Previous chairman took over in league 1 on -10 points and under him we won the jpt, had back to back promotions, stayed in the Prem fairly comfortably and then pushed on to gain 8th position.

Under the new chairman we have lost our high regarded manager and his team, lost our captain, lost our talisman, lost the most prized up and coming left back in world football today and have other highly rated players seemingly wanting away from the club. He has also struck a shirt sponsorship deal with a small local company who cannot be paying very much even if they are giving us their entire turnover.

He has appointed Ron. That's his one success that I can see.

Please tell me why you think he is successful and also why you think he is the correct appointment as Chairman of a Premier League football club.

Objective and not subjective please.
I could spend the rest of the day trashing you arguments (and bore you and myself brainless in the process) but you are missing my point: you have attributed actions and strategies to Ralph Krueger and others that cannot be substantiated.
We have only the barest of insights as to why the very successful, but very expensive Nicola Cortese is no longer with us, but in the battle of the two public relations firms building up to his departure it was evident that that success cost more than Katharina Liebherr was prepared to subsidise; at least without being consulted first.
As to whether Ralph Krueger is a worthy successor to Cortese remains to be seen. It could take months or years to make a fair assessment. In the meantime, you could at least wait for the facts to emerge before making judgements on the basis of what are, at best, baseless hunches.
And I repeat: we are not at war. And if you disagree why aren't you on the beach preparing to repel the invasion?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod. I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.[/p][/quote]There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war. We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath.[/p][/quote]Why the personal abuse? I believe Ralph is not suited to this role and I will say so if I chose. I also believe having built a company from scratch to third largest in the UK employing 120 people and punching far more profitably than the top two gives me some experience to comment on business structure and business does need leaders. That is why so many ex senior military people have gone on to be very successful in business. Disagree with me by all means but drop the abuse. Thank you.[/p][/quote]I am not being abusive, I am merely pointing out that your perception of what is, or is not, going on at St Mary’s is delusional (if you have evidence to the contrary please enlighten us) and your opinions as regards what you think should be done about the “situation” are paranoid. You could be the king of America or China for all I care, that does not entitle you to pronounce from where the sun never shines on a set of circumstances that only exist in your head. And no, thank you.[/p][/quote]Ok. My evidence is this: Previous chairman took over in league 1 on -10 points and under him we won the jpt, had back to back promotions, stayed in the Prem fairly comfortably and then pushed on to gain 8th position. Under the new chairman we have lost our high regarded manager and his team, lost our captain, lost our talisman, lost the most prized up and coming left back in world football today and have other highly rated players seemingly wanting away from the club. He has also struck a shirt sponsorship deal with a small local company who cannot be paying very much even if they are giving us their entire turnover. He has appointed Ron. That's his one success that I can see. Please tell me why you think he is successful and also why you think he is the correct appointment as Chairman of a Premier League football club. Objective and not subjective please.[/p][/quote]I could spend the rest of the day trashing you arguments (and bore you and myself brainless in the process) but you are missing my point: you have attributed actions and strategies to Ralph Krueger and others that cannot be substantiated. We have only the barest of insights as to why the very successful, but very expensive Nicola Cortese is no longer with us, but in the battle of the two public relations firms building up to his departure it was evident that that success cost more than Katharina Liebherr was prepared to subsidise; at least without being consulted first. As to whether Ralph Krueger is a worthy successor to Cortese remains to be seen. It could take months or years to make a fair assessment. In the meantime, you could at least wait for the facts to emerge before making judgements on the basis of what are, at best, baseless hunches. And I repeat: we are not at war. And if you disagree why aren't you on the beach preparing to repel the invasion? Dave Juson
  • Score: 10

11:18am Thu 24 Jul 14

jls217 says...

I have to say that is a great photo of Liarllana, probably proclaiming to the crowd is undying loyalty and commitment to Saints FC and getting te adulation of 30,000 fans in return whilst all the time thinking 30k on top of what I'm being paid here will ease the pain of having to live in hubcapool. The conversation in the back ground may well be going along the lines of, "Wonder if I can go to lick his boots". The reply, "Can I have his parking spot and locker?) J-Rod walking away muttering something about, "I came here to build this team with you marra, and now you've sold out - back stabbing ----)
Just saying.........
I have to say that is a great photo of Liarllana, probably proclaiming to the crowd is undying loyalty and commitment to Saints FC and getting te adulation of 30,000 fans in return whilst all the time thinking 30k on top of what I'm being paid here will ease the pain of having to live in hubcapool. The conversation in the back ground may well be going along the lines of, "Wonder if I can go to lick his boots". The reply, "Can I have his parking spot and locker?) J-Rod walking away muttering something about, "I came here to build this team with you marra, and now you've sold out - back stabbing ----) Just saying......... jls217
  • Score: -3

11:19am Thu 24 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

Guys at the end of the day we all want what's best for the club. The fact that everybody doesn't agree is not such a bad thing and it certainly doesn't warrant you all abusing each other. Best to agree to disagree.

We have thrown away the best opportunity we ever had and have two guys running things who don't exactly inspire confidence.

BUT we do have a quality manager, HOPEFULLY a lot of money for him to spend and a club infrastructure and academy which are the envy of many.

So hopefully KL won't rock the boat further and it will be a case of onwards and upwards!!!
Guys at the end of the day we all want what's best for the club. The fact that everybody doesn't agree is not such a bad thing and it certainly doesn't warrant you all abusing each other. Best to agree to disagree. We have thrown away the best opportunity we ever had and have two guys running things who don't exactly inspire confidence. BUT we do have a quality manager, HOPEFULLY a lot of money for him to spend and a club infrastructure and academy which are the envy of many. So hopefully KL won't rock the boat further and it will be a case of onwards and upwards!!! redandy10
  • Score: 10

11:19am Thu 24 Jul 14

Sainty saint saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod.

I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.
Errmm... we've known from the very start of Ralph's tenure that Les Reed is in charge of all football related matters, and Ralph's priority was to tap into potential new marketing and revenue streams, which is exactly what he's doing.

Situating ourselves in one of the potentially largest, most lucrative markets in the world seems like a good idea to me. And the fact that the US has finally 'fallen in love with soccer' means we need to get a foothold sharpish, plus get an academy which can raise all those lovely American footballers of the future.

He's doing exactly what he should be doing - safeguarding the future of the club.

Les is (and always has been) in charge of the footballing side.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod. I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.[/p][/quote]Errmm... we've known from the very start of Ralph's tenure that Les Reed is in charge of all football related matters, and Ralph's priority was to tap into potential new marketing and revenue streams, which is exactly what he's doing. Situating ourselves in one of the potentially largest, most lucrative markets in the world seems like a good idea to me. And the fact that the US has finally 'fallen in love with soccer' means we need to get a foothold sharpish, plus get an academy which can raise all those lovely American footballers of the future. He's doing exactly what he should be doing - safeguarding the future of the club. Les is (and always has been) in charge of the footballing side. Sainty saint saint
  • Score: 9

11:20am Thu 24 Jul 14

jls217 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod.

I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.
Your points are valid but perhaps they could also be used to argue that Les and RoKo would be more effective in persuading Schneiderlin to stay or players to come without him around.

I don't have the evidence to argue either way.
Again it it should be the manager who should persuade a player to stay, a manager who decides if a player should go or indeed come in. The manager is the one who should deal with the players not the chairman! Its clear for all to see that, as much good as he did, NC had too much control over the running of the club and had way too much influence over the players. The chairman should get on with his job of running the club, whats the point in having a manager if the chairman decides what players we sell or buy etc, next step will be the chairman picking the team, and I believe some on here accused NC of insisting certain players were picked. We don't need to hear from Ralph or les we only need to hear from Ronnie and his coaches.
I agree completely.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod. I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.[/p][/quote]Your points are valid but perhaps they could also be used to argue that Les and RoKo would be more effective in persuading Schneiderlin to stay or players to come without him around. I don't have the evidence to argue either way.[/p][/quote]Again it it should be the manager who should persuade a player to stay, a manager who decides if a player should go or indeed come in. The manager is the one who should deal with the players not the chairman! Its clear for all to see that, as much good as he did, NC had too much control over the running of the club and had way too much influence over the players. The chairman should get on with his job of running the club, whats the point in having a manager if the chairman decides what players we sell or buy etc, next step will be the chairman picking the team, and I believe some on here accused NC of insisting certain players were picked. We don't need to hear from Ralph or les we only need to hear from Ronnie and his coaches.[/p][/quote]I agree completely. jls217
  • Score: -2

11:22am Thu 24 Jul 14

jls217 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
miltonnroad76 wrote:
Acc to les read a few weeks ago saints had many targets to sign but all we hear about are players that Koeman knows in holland...getting worryed just few weeks till season starts and looks like we need a cb a midfeielder and a striker just to equal the side we had last year...no improvement while other teams have signed up players...not looking good esp up front with only Pelle and gallagher ...
The Board's special player- tracking and procurement unit comprising twenty staff is supposed to be working 24/7 to find us the world's best players according to our amazing Superman also known as Les Read!
The desperate sole reliance on Koeman's old Feyonord squad
is quite at variance with this!
It looks like Les doesn't really know what he's doing.
We could save cash at this rate by sacking those clearly redundant staff! - that's if they exist, of course!
any new manager gets linked with his former players, pochaliar is and has been linked with many of our squad. of the players we have been linked with or brought vlaar played for Ronnie for 1 season, and the only link is Ronnie saying he is a good player.
forster has no connection, as far as I can see.
Redmond, again no connection.
pelle played for him.
tadic played in the same league.
so where is the reliance on his old Feyenoord?
the scouting department was spoken about many times by NC so unless he and the new board are both lying its fair to assume they do exist! they will also look at players and offer a list of potential targets, but the manager needs to pick his own players not the club. he may pick from a list given to him but he should pick.
Again I agree completely.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonnroad76[/bold] wrote: Acc to les read a few weeks ago saints had many targets to sign but all we hear about are players that Koeman knows in holland...getting worryed just few weeks till season starts and looks like we need a cb a midfeielder and a striker just to equal the side we had last year...no improvement while other teams have signed up players...not looking good esp up front with only Pelle and gallagher ...[/p][/quote]The Board's special player- tracking and procurement unit comprising twenty staff is supposed to be working 24/7 to find us the world's best players according to our amazing Superman also known as Les Read! The desperate sole reliance on Koeman's old Feyonord squad is quite at variance with this! It looks like Les doesn't really know what he's doing. We could save cash at this rate by sacking those clearly redundant staff! - that's if they exist, of course![/p][/quote]any new manager gets linked with his former players, pochaliar is and has been linked with many of our squad. of the players we have been linked with or brought vlaar played for Ronnie for 1 season, and the only link is Ronnie saying he is a good player. forster has no connection, as far as I can see. Redmond, again no connection. pelle played for him. tadic played in the same league. so where is the reliance on his old Feyenoord? the scouting department was spoken about many times by NC so unless he and the new board are both lying its fair to assume they do exist! they will also look at players and offer a list of potential targets, but the manager needs to pick his own players not the club. he may pick from a list given to him but he should pick.[/p][/quote]Again I agree completely. jls217
  • Score: -6

11:23am Thu 24 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir! jls217
  • Score: 1

11:28am Thu 24 Jul 14

Crispinmumbles says...

Funny thing is - I feel quite calm and am looking forward to the new season. Everybody who has blamed Katarina Liebherr & Kruegar for the departures this summer, don't understand football. When a player wants to go he goes and I've been encouraged by the quality of the replacement Manager, Coaches and players. We've got our stripes back! We've got some very promising young players who I'm hoping to see, Targett is a player who I've heard VERY good things about and the same applies to Reed. We are chasing some very good players and I think both Scousers & Spuds have it all to lose & nothing to win. Never change a winning formula they say and Loyal Liverpool supporters (who all seem to live in Hampshire & Kent) will see 11 new faces and have lost their 1 World class Cannibal. & Spuds, what have they managed to sign? At least our new manager likes winning cups and has an admirable track record of winning things - more than Spuds can say. Lets lay of the board
enjoy the new season, be excited about incoming quality players and laugh at Spuds & Scousers when they crash & burn - which, they will!
Funny thing is - I feel quite calm and am looking forward to the new season. Everybody who has blamed Katarina Liebherr & Kruegar for the departures this summer, don't understand football. When a player wants to go he goes and I've been encouraged by the quality of the replacement Manager, Coaches and players. We've got our stripes back! We've got some very promising young players who I'm hoping to see, Targett is a player who I've heard VERY good things about and the same applies to Reed. We are chasing some very good players and I think both Scousers & Spuds have it all to lose & nothing to win. Never change a winning formula they say and Loyal Liverpool supporters (who all seem to live in Hampshire & Kent) will see 11 new faces and have lost their 1 World class Cannibal. & Spuds, what have they managed to sign? At least our new manager likes winning cups and has an admirable track record of winning things - more than Spuds can say. Lets lay of the board enjoy the new season, be excited about incoming quality players and laugh at Spuds & Scousers when they crash & burn - which, they will! Crispinmumbles
  • Score: 10

11:44am Thu 24 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Dave Juson wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod.

I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.
There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war.
We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath.
Why the personal abuse? I believe Ralph is not suited to this role and I will say so if I chose.

I also believe having built a company from scratch to third largest in the UK employing 120 people and punching far more profitably than the top two gives me some experience to comment on business structure and business does need leaders. That is why so many ex senior military people have gone on to be very successful in business.

Disagree with me by all means but drop the abuse. Thank you.
I am not being abusive, I am merely pointing out that your perception of what is, or is not, going on at St Mary’s is delusional (if you have evidence to the contrary please enlighten us) and your opinions as regards what you think should be done about the “situation” are paranoid.
You could be the king of America or China for all I care, that does not entitle you to pronounce from where the sun never shines on a set of circumstances that only exist in your head.
And no, thank you.
Ok. My evidence is this:

Previous chairman took over in league 1 on -10 points and under him we won the jpt, had back to back promotions, stayed in the Prem fairly comfortably and then pushed on to gain 8th position.

Under the new chairman we have lost our high regarded manager and his team, lost our captain, lost our talisman, lost the most prized up and coming left back in world football today and have other highly rated players seemingly wanting away from the club. He has also struck a shirt sponsorship deal with a small local company who cannot be paying very much even if they are giving us their entire turnover.

He has appointed Ron. That's his one success that I can see.

Please tell me why you think he is successful and also why you think he is the correct appointment as Chairman of a Premier League football club.

Objective and not subjective please.
I could spend the rest of the day trashing you arguments (and bore you and myself brainless in the process) but you are missing my point: you have attributed actions and strategies to Ralph Krueger and others that cannot be substantiated.
We have only the barest of insights as to why the very successful, but very expensive Nicola Cortese is no longer with us, but in the battle of the two public relations firms building up to his departure it was evident that that success cost more than Katharina Liebherr was prepared to subsidise; at least without being consulted first.
As to whether Ralph Krueger is a worthy successor to Cortese remains to be seen. It could take months or years to make a fair assessment. In the meantime, you could at least wait for the facts to emerge before making judgements on the basis of what are, at best, baseless hunches.
And I repeat: we are not at war. And if you disagree why aren't you on the beach preparing to repel the invasion?
Look I want to be able to say at some stage n the future that Ralph is the best chairman we have ever had and that I got my assessment of him horribly wrong. I agree it is still fairly early but he hasn't hit the ground running, the evidence is there for all to see.

It was fairly obvious some time ago that we might face losing players so I would have expected replacements to be being lined up as a contingency plan at least. If we are not already in negotiations, which of course we might be, then we will struggle to get them in before the start of the season.

It was widely accepted at the end of the season that we needed a striker, CB and keeper without losing any players.

I'm concerned about the striker option. Given the fact we had more possession than any other team last season it was this department that meant we didn't gain the points we should have.

Osvaldo was signed because it was deemed we needed an extra striker. He flopped, we've sold Rickie and JayRod is crocked and if rumours are to be believed he might even join the exodus. We therefore need to sign three and have so far signed one.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod. I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.[/p][/quote]There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war. We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath.[/p][/quote]Why the personal abuse? I believe Ralph is not suited to this role and I will say so if I chose. I also believe having built a company from scratch to third largest in the UK employing 120 people and punching far more profitably than the top two gives me some experience to comment on business structure and business does need leaders. That is why so many ex senior military people have gone on to be very successful in business. Disagree with me by all means but drop the abuse. Thank you.[/p][/quote]I am not being abusive, I am merely pointing out that your perception of what is, or is not, going on at St Mary’s is delusional (if you have evidence to the contrary please enlighten us) and your opinions as regards what you think should be done about the “situation” are paranoid. You could be the king of America or China for all I care, that does not entitle you to pronounce from where the sun never shines on a set of circumstances that only exist in your head. And no, thank you.[/p][/quote]Ok. My evidence is this: Previous chairman took over in league 1 on -10 points and under him we won the jpt, had back to back promotions, stayed in the Prem fairly comfortably and then pushed on to gain 8th position. Under the new chairman we have lost our high regarded manager and his team, lost our captain, lost our talisman, lost the most prized up and coming left back in world football today and have other highly rated players seemingly wanting away from the club. He has also struck a shirt sponsorship deal with a small local company who cannot be paying very much even if they are giving us their entire turnover. He has appointed Ron. That's his one success that I can see. Please tell me why you think he is successful and also why you think he is the correct appointment as Chairman of a Premier League football club. Objective and not subjective please.[/p][/quote]I could spend the rest of the day trashing you arguments (and bore you and myself brainless in the process) but you are missing my point: you have attributed actions and strategies to Ralph Krueger and others that cannot be substantiated. We have only the barest of insights as to why the very successful, but very expensive Nicola Cortese is no longer with us, but in the battle of the two public relations firms building up to his departure it was evident that that success cost more than Katharina Liebherr was prepared to subsidise; at least without being consulted first. As to whether Ralph Krueger is a worthy successor to Cortese remains to be seen. It could take months or years to make a fair assessment. In the meantime, you could at least wait for the facts to emerge before making judgements on the basis of what are, at best, baseless hunches. And I repeat: we are not at war. And if you disagree why aren't you on the beach preparing to repel the invasion?[/p][/quote]Look I want to be able to say at some stage n the future that Ralph is the best chairman we have ever had and that I got my assessment of him horribly wrong. I agree it is still fairly early but he hasn't hit the ground running, the evidence is there for all to see. It was fairly obvious some time ago that we might face losing players so I would have expected replacements to be being lined up as a contingency plan at least. If we are not already in negotiations, which of course we might be, then we will struggle to get them in before the start of the season. It was widely accepted at the end of the season that we needed a striker, CB and keeper without losing any players. I'm concerned about the striker option. Given the fact we had more possession than any other team last season it was this department that meant we didn't gain the points we should have. Osvaldo was signed because it was deemed we needed an extra striker. He flopped, we've sold Rickie and JayRod is crocked and if rumours are to be believed he might even join the exodus. We therefore need to sign three and have so far signed one. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 12

11:48am Thu 24 Jul 14

CB FRY LIVES says...

costa gaz wrote:
Tony Kroos, World cup winner £20m
Adam lallana, Johnstones Paint Trophy winner £25m.
The JOHNSTONE PAINT TROPHY is a bigger and better competition than the world cup. Any competition run directly by Septic Bladder and his gang of international crooks has got to be well iffy.
COYR 3 points against the scouser scumbags please.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Tony Kroos, World cup winner £20m Adam lallana, Johnstones Paint Trophy winner £25m.[/p][/quote]The JOHNSTONE PAINT TROPHY is a bigger and better competition than the world cup. Any competition run directly by Septic Bladder and his gang of international crooks has got to be well iffy. COYR 3 points against the scouser scumbags please. CB FRY LIVES
  • Score: 13

11:53am Thu 24 Jul 14

elvis says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
Err dude isn't Les in charge of recruitment ? Give the guys a break I hardly think they're sat on their backsides .... like some people would like us to believe . And just as a matter of interest how do you know what he's up too perhaps he's meeting Villas American owner to discus Vlaar ..... see I can make guesses too
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]Err dude isn't Les in charge of recruitment ? Give the guys a break I hardly think they're sat on their backsides .... like some people would like us to believe . And just as a matter of interest how do you know what he's up too perhaps he's meeting Villas American owner to discus Vlaar ..... see I can make guesses too elvis
  • Score: 6

11:54am Thu 24 Jul 14

Numpty Girl says...

jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character
s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo. Numpty Girl
  • Score: 5

12:05pm Thu 24 Jul 14

SnapperSaint says...

Crispinmumbles wrote:
Funny thing is - I feel quite calm and am looking forward to the new season. Everybody who has blamed Katarina Liebherr & Kruegar for the departures this summer, don't understand football. When a player wants to go he goes and I've been encouraged by the quality of the replacement Manager, Coaches and players. We've got our stripes back! We've got some very promising young players who I'm hoping to see, Targett is a player who I've heard VERY good things about and the same applies to Reed. We are chasing some very good players and I think both Scousers & Spuds have it all to lose & nothing to win. Never change a winning formula they say and Loyal Liverpool supporters (who all seem to live in Hampshire & Kent) will see 11 new faces and have lost their 1 World class Cannibal. & Spuds, what have they managed to sign? At least our new manager likes winning cups and has an admirable track record of winning things - more than Spuds can say. Lets lay of the board
enjoy the new season, be excited about incoming quality players and laugh at Spuds & Scousers when they crash & burn - which, they will!
Almost agree with all you say and even though I am on holiday, I don't feel quite so relaxed about life just yet, I think we are still 2 to 3 high calibre, quality players short of a top half of the league team.
I think RK is not a cold hearted, laser focused visionary like NC was and we likely won't achieve as much under his leadership as we might have under NC, but I think we prefer some of the other adjustments he has made at the club. Maybe in the long-term we will prefer the overall end result, which will hopefully include being successful on the pitch too!
[quote][p][bold]Crispinmumbles[/bold] wrote: Funny thing is - I feel quite calm and am looking forward to the new season. Everybody who has blamed Katarina Liebherr & Kruegar for the departures this summer, don't understand football. When a player wants to go he goes and I've been encouraged by the quality of the replacement Manager, Coaches and players. We've got our stripes back! We've got some very promising young players who I'm hoping to see, Targett is a player who I've heard VERY good things about and the same applies to Reed. We are chasing some very good players and I think both Scousers & Spuds have it all to lose & nothing to win. Never change a winning formula they say and Loyal Liverpool supporters (who all seem to live in Hampshire & Kent) will see 11 new faces and have lost their 1 World class Cannibal. & Spuds, what have they managed to sign? At least our new manager likes winning cups and has an admirable track record of winning things - more than Spuds can say. Lets lay of the board enjoy the new season, be excited about incoming quality players and laugh at Spuds & Scousers when they crash & burn - which, they will![/p][/quote]Almost agree with all you say and even though I am on holiday, I don't feel quite so relaxed about life just yet, I think we are still 2 to 3 high calibre, quality players short of a top half of the league team. I think RK is not a cold hearted, laser focused visionary like NC was and we likely won't achieve as much under his leadership as we might have under NC, but I think we prefer some of the other adjustments he has made at the club. Maybe in the long-term we will prefer the overall end result, which will hopefully include being successful on the pitch too! SnapperSaint
  • Score: 5

12:05pm Thu 24 Jul 14

SnapperSaint says...

Crispinmumbles wrote:
Funny thing is - I feel quite calm and am looking forward to the new season. Everybody who has blamed Katarina Liebherr & Kruegar for the departures this summer, don't understand football. When a player wants to go he goes and I've been encouraged by the quality of the replacement Manager, Coaches and players. We've got our stripes back! We've got some very promising young players who I'm hoping to see, Targett is a player who I've heard VERY good things about and the same applies to Reed. We are chasing some very good players and I think both Scousers & Spuds have it all to lose & nothing to win. Never change a winning formula they say and Loyal Liverpool supporters (who all seem to live in Hampshire & Kent) will see 11 new faces and have lost their 1 World class Cannibal. & Spuds, what have they managed to sign? At least our new manager likes winning cups and has an admirable track record of winning things - more than Spuds can say. Lets lay of the board
enjoy the new season, be excited about incoming quality players and laugh at Spuds & Scousers when they crash & burn - which, they will!
Almost agree with all you say and even though I am on holiday, I don't feel quite so relaxed about life just yet, I think we are still 2 to 3 high calibre, quality players short of a top half of the league team.
I think RK is not a cold hearted, laser focused visionary like NC was and we likely won't achieve as much under his leadership as we might have under NC, but I think we prefer some of the other adjustments he has made at the club. Maybe in the long-term we will prefer the overall end result, which will hopefully include being successful on the pitch too!
[quote][p][bold]Crispinmumbles[/bold] wrote: Funny thing is - I feel quite calm and am looking forward to the new season. Everybody who has blamed Katarina Liebherr & Kruegar for the departures this summer, don't understand football. When a player wants to go he goes and I've been encouraged by the quality of the replacement Manager, Coaches and players. We've got our stripes back! We've got some very promising young players who I'm hoping to see, Targett is a player who I've heard VERY good things about and the same applies to Reed. We are chasing some very good players and I think both Scousers & Spuds have it all to lose & nothing to win. Never change a winning formula they say and Loyal Liverpool supporters (who all seem to live in Hampshire & Kent) will see 11 new faces and have lost their 1 World class Cannibal. & Spuds, what have they managed to sign? At least our new manager likes winning cups and has an admirable track record of winning things - more than Spuds can say. Lets lay of the board enjoy the new season, be excited about incoming quality players and laugh at Spuds & Scousers when they crash & burn - which, they will![/p][/quote]Almost agree with all you say and even though I am on holiday, I don't feel quite so relaxed about life just yet, I think we are still 2 to 3 high calibre, quality players short of a top half of the league team. I think RK is not a cold hearted, laser focused visionary like NC was and we likely won't achieve as much under his leadership as we might have under NC, but I think we prefer some of the other adjustments he has made at the club. Maybe in the long-term we will prefer the overall end result, which will hopefully include being successful on the pitch too! SnapperSaint
  • Score: 0

12:10pm Thu 24 Jul 14

SnapperSaint says...

SnapperSaint wrote:
Crispinmumbles wrote:
Funny thing is - I feel quite calm and am looking forward to the new season. Everybody who has blamed Katarina Liebherr & Kruegar for the departures this summer, don't understand football. When a player wants to go he goes and I've been encouraged by the quality of the replacement Manager, Coaches and players. We've got our stripes back! We've got some very promising young players who I'm hoping to see, Targett is a player who I've heard VERY good things about and the same applies to Reed. We are chasing some very good players and I think both Scousers & Spuds have it all to lose & nothing to win. Never change a winning formula they say and Loyal Liverpool supporters (who all seem to live in Hampshire & Kent) will see 11 new faces and have lost their 1 World class Cannibal. & Spuds, what have they managed to sign? At least our new manager likes winning cups and has an admirable track record of winning things - more than Spuds can say. Lets lay of the board
enjoy the new season, be excited about incoming quality players and laugh at Spuds & Scousers when they crash & burn - which, they will!
Almost agree with all you say and even though I am on holiday, I don't feel quite so relaxed about life just yet, I think we are still 2 to 3 high calibre, quality players short of a top half of the league team.
I think RK is not a cold hearted, laser focused visionary like NC was and we likely won't achieve as much under his leadership as we might have under NC, but I think we prefer some of the other adjustments he has made at the club. Maybe in the long-term we will prefer the overall end result, which will hopefully include being successful on the pitch too!
Firkin tablet now I feel stressed!
[quote][p][bold]SnapperSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crispinmumbles[/bold] wrote: Funny thing is - I feel quite calm and am looking forward to the new season. Everybody who has blamed Katarina Liebherr & Kruegar for the departures this summer, don't understand football. When a player wants to go he goes and I've been encouraged by the quality of the replacement Manager, Coaches and players. We've got our stripes back! We've got some very promising young players who I'm hoping to see, Targett is a player who I've heard VERY good things about and the same applies to Reed. We are chasing some very good players and I think both Scousers & Spuds have it all to lose & nothing to win. Never change a winning formula they say and Loyal Liverpool supporters (who all seem to live in Hampshire & Kent) will see 11 new faces and have lost their 1 World class Cannibal. & Spuds, what have they managed to sign? At least our new manager likes winning cups and has an admirable track record of winning things - more than Spuds can say. Lets lay of the board enjoy the new season, be excited about incoming quality players and laugh at Spuds & Scousers when they crash & burn - which, they will![/p][/quote]Almost agree with all you say and even though I am on holiday, I don't feel quite so relaxed about life just yet, I think we are still 2 to 3 high calibre, quality players short of a top half of the league team. I think RK is not a cold hearted, laser focused visionary like NC was and we likely won't achieve as much under his leadership as we might have under NC, but I think we prefer some of the other adjustments he has made at the club. Maybe in the long-term we will prefer the overall end result, which will hopefully include being successful on the pitch too![/p][/quote]Firkin tablet now I feel stressed! SnapperSaint
  • Score: -1

12:14pm Thu 24 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

Quote headline ,,,,,,,,,

Celtic desperate to keep Saints target Fraser Forster.

------

It looks like Celtic are as desperate as Saint's to hold onto their players, but it's ok in this case because Saint's want Celtic's goal keeper.

Makes Saint's look rather hypocritical really as you are slagging off Liverpool for trying to do similar with your players.
Quote headline ,,,,,,,,, Celtic desperate to keep Saints target Fraser Forster. ------ It looks like Celtic are as desperate as Saint's to hold onto their players, but it's ok in this case because Saint's want Celtic's goal keeper. Makes Saint's look rather hypocritical really as you are slagging off Liverpool for trying to do similar with your players. one in the crowd
  • Score: -5

12:15pm Thu 24 Jul 14

SnapperSaint says...

one in the crowd wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life
Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets

Jul 23, 2014 22:30

Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million

Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer.
The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million.
However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations.
Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause.
But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international.
“If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said.
“We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible.
“There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets.
“But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.”
Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic.
Lazar Markovic
It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football.
But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely.
“I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said.
“I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work.
“There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success.
“Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title.
“You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it.
“The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.”
With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks.
There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it.
“Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said.
“They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it.
“The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be.
“I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers.
“The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.”
Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana.
Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent.
“For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth.
“I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us.
“I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule.
“Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth.
“Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance.
“He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character.
“We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us.
“Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player.
“Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert.
“When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”
Making no point or sense as usual Searching in the crowd...
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life[/p][/quote]Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets Jul 23, 2014 22:30 Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer. The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million. However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations. Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause. But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international. “If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said. “We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible. “There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets. “But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.” Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic. Lazar Markovic It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football. But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely. “I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said. “I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work. “There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success. “Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title. “You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it. “The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.” With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks. There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it. “Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said. “They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it. “The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be. “I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers. “The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.” Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana. Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent. “For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth. “I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us. “I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule. “Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth. “Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance. “He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character. “We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us. “Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player. “Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert. “When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”[/p][/quote]Making no point or sense as usual Searching in the crowd... SnapperSaint
  • Score: 4

12:15pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character

s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Your login does you a disservice. That's an excellent post.
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Your login does you a disservice. That's an excellent post. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 12

12:18pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

one in the crowd wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life
Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets

Jul 23, 2014 22:30

Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million

Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer.
The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million.
However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations.
Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause.
But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international.
“If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said.
“We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible.
“There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets.
“But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.”
Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic.
Lazar Markovic
It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football.
But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely.
“I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said.
“I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work.
“There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success.
“Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title.
“You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it.
“The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.”
With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks.
There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it.
“Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said.
“They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it.
“The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be.
“I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers.
“The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.”
Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana.
Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent.
“For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth.
“I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us.
“I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule.
“Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth.
“Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance.
“He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character.
“We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us.
“Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player.
“Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert.
“When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”
I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger.
[quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life[/p][/quote]Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets Jul 23, 2014 22:30 Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer. The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million. However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations. Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause. But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international. “If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said. “We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible. “There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets. “But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.” Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic. Lazar Markovic It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football. But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely. “I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said. “I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work. “There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success. “Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title. “You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it. “The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.” With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks. There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it. “Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said. “They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it. “The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be. “I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers. “The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.” Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana. Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent. “For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth. “I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us. “I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule. “Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth. “Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance. “He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character. “We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us. “Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player. “Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert. “When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”[/p][/quote]I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 4

12:18pm Thu 24 Jul 14

one in the crowd says...

RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE wrote:
Have we bought any more players yet ?
No ! ! ! !

But I believe your new manager intends to be an active player / manager when he can't fill the gaps in the team before the end of the transfer window.
[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote: Have we bought any more players yet ?[/p][/quote]No ! ! ! ! But I believe your new manager intends to be an active player / manager when he can't fill the gaps in the team before the end of the transfer window. one in the crowd
  • Score: -4

12:23pm Thu 24 Jul 14

mack chinnon says...

Is it just me or was it a lot more fun in the 3rd division.
Is it just me or was it a lot more fun in the 3rd division. mack chinnon
  • Score: 13

12:29pm Thu 24 Jul 14

J7junctionseven says...

mack chinnon wrote:
Is it just me or was it a lot more fun in the 3rd division.
Yeah I think you could be right.
At least we didn't have to put up with inane comments from thick plastic scousers and the like on here.
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: Is it just me or was it a lot more fun in the 3rd division.[/p][/quote]Yeah I think you could be right. At least we didn't have to put up with inane comments from thick plastic scousers and the like on here. J7junctionseven
  • Score: 2

12:44pm Thu 24 Jul 14

batesieboy says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod.

I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.
!00 percent with Seed on this one. It's a question of priorities...he should be HERE now, nowhere else...there's time for smaller details. He is as useful over there right now as he would be running round in circles here!!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod. I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.[/p][/quote]!00 percent with Seed on this one. It's a question of priorities...he should be HERE now, nowhere else...there's time for smaller details. He is as useful over there right now as he would be running round in circles here!! batesieboy
  • Score: 10

12:48pm Thu 24 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character

s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust
omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID george chivers
  • Score: 15

12:51pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Confucious says...

I agree 100% with everything everyone has said on here today.
I agree 100% with everything everyone has said on here today. Confucious
  • Score: 9

12:51pm Thu 24 Jul 14

batesieboy says...

jls217 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod.

I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.
Oh Seed! Sometimes the depths of your despair appears limitless, it is indeed fathomless.

Convincing Spyder or Lovren to stay and Vlar to come will be the job of Les and The Rambo bros, Freddie does not need to be involved except to rubber stamp the decision. If he pulls off an academy link up or team link up in the states he will have done a fantastic job for the long term good of this club, the USA could well be the future of football once it implodes here - which it will do as all bubbles have done in the past. Have faith. In the word of the Beach Boys - Good Vibrations are happening...........

.....
Hope you've got a good supply of what you're smoking , mate...you're gonna need a load this coming season way things are going...
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod. I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.[/p][/quote]Oh Seed! Sometimes the depths of your despair appears limitless, it is indeed fathomless. Convincing Spyder or Lovren to stay and Vlar to come will be the job of Les and The Rambo bros, Freddie does not need to be involved except to rubber stamp the decision. If he pulls off an academy link up or team link up in the states he will have done a fantastic job for the long term good of this club, the USA could well be the future of football once it implodes here - which it will do as all bubbles have done in the past. Have faith. In the word of the Beach Boys - Good Vibrations are happening........... .....[/p][/quote]Hope you've got a good supply of what you're smoking , mate...you're gonna need a load this coming season way things are going... batesieboy
  • Score: 10

1:27pm Thu 24 Jul 14

saintbobby says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod.

I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.
There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war.
We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath.
Why the personal abuse? I believe Ralph is not suited to this role and I will say so if I chose.

I also believe having built a company from scratch to third largest in the UK employing 120 people and punching far more profitably than the top two gives me some experience to comment on business structure and business does need leaders. That is why so many ex senior military people have gone on to be very successful in business.

Disagree with me by all means but drop the abuse. Thank you.
I am not being abusive, I am merely pointing out that your perception of what is, or is not, going on at St Mary’s is delusional (if you have evidence to the contrary please enlighten us) and your opinions as regards what you think should be done about the “situation” are paranoid.
You could be the king of America or China for all I care, that does not entitle you to pronounce from where the sun never shines on a set of circumstances that only exist in your head.
And no, thank you.
Ok. My evidence is this:

Previous chairman took over in league 1 on -10 points and under him we won the jpt, had back to back promotions, stayed in the Prem fairly comfortably and then pushed on to gain 8th position.

Under the new chairman we have lost our high regarded manager and his team, lost our captain, lost our talisman, lost the most prized up and coming left back in world football today and have other highly rated players seemingly wanting away from the club. He has also struck a shirt sponsorship deal with a small local company who cannot be paying very much even if they are giving us their entire turnover.

He has appointed Ron. That's his one success that I can see.

Please tell me why you think he is successful and also why you think he is the correct appointment as Chairman of a Premier League football club.

Objective and not subjective please.
Well, Seed I agree with you absolutely.

There is so much negative and sometimes, abusive comments here, that it is easy to forget we actually support the SAME team, apart from those down the road and through the forest, who should not be here anyway.

Trusting with fingers crossed is OK but it seems that 75% of the close season has been spent discussing who was leaving or now left.

Our benefit is a new manage ( very hopeful that) and 2 players plus lots of chat about newcomers. Some of these we are told to forget by their clubs and another hot tip, Caulker, goes to Harryboy.

My guess is that the chat on here is not meant to be nasty to fellow posters, but is our disappointment and impatience at the lack of signings, bar 2, of course.

As I have said before, I am trying to keep on the bright side, but a bit worried because one thing I do NOT like is Saints losing games. Not sure we won't at the moment. But keep your peckers up, guys!

COYR&WS. Hooray!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod. I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.[/p][/quote]There were no fiddles or (violins) in the First Century AD, not even in Rome, and we are not at war. We do not need a general, you need psychiatric help, or at least a cold bath.[/p][/quote]Why the personal abuse? I believe Ralph is not suited to this role and I will say so if I chose. I also believe having built a company from scratch to third largest in the UK employing 120 people and punching far more profitably than the top two gives me some experience to comment on business structure and business does need leaders. That is why so many ex senior military people have gone on to be very successful in business. Disagree with me by all means but drop the abuse. Thank you.[/p][/quote]I am not being abusive, I am merely pointing out that your perception of what is, or is not, going on at St Mary’s is delusional (if you have evidence to the contrary please enlighten us) and your opinions as regards what you think should be done about the “situation” are paranoid. You could be the king of America or China for all I care, that does not entitle you to pronounce from where the sun never shines on a set of circumstances that only exist in your head. And no, thank you.[/p][/quote]Ok. My evidence is this: Previous chairman took over in league 1 on -10 points and under him we won the jpt, had back to back promotions, stayed in the Prem fairly comfortably and then pushed on to gain 8th position. Under the new chairman we have lost our high regarded manager and his team, lost our captain, lost our talisman, lost the most prized up and coming left back in world football today and have other highly rated players seemingly wanting away from the club. He has also struck a shirt sponsorship deal with a small local company who cannot be paying very much even if they are giving us their entire turnover. He has appointed Ron. That's his one success that I can see. Please tell me why you think he is successful and also why you think he is the correct appointment as Chairman of a Premier League football club. Objective and not subjective please.[/p][/quote]Well, Seed I agree with you absolutely. There is so much negative and sometimes, abusive comments here, that it is easy to forget we actually support the SAME team, apart from those down the road and through the forest, who should not be here anyway. Trusting with fingers crossed is OK but it seems that 75% of the close season has been spent discussing who was leaving or now left. Our benefit is a new manage ( very hopeful that) and 2 players plus lots of chat about newcomers. Some of these we are told to forget by their clubs and another hot tip, Caulker, goes to Harryboy. My guess is that the chat on here is not meant to be nasty to fellow posters, but is our disappointment and impatience at the lack of signings, bar 2, of course. As I have said before, I am trying to keep on the bright side, but a bit worried because one thing I do NOT like is Saints losing games. Not sure we won't at the moment. But keep your peckers up, guys! COYR&WS. Hooray! saintbobby
  • Score: 7

1:44pm Thu 24 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life
Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets

Jul 23, 2014 22:30

Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million

Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer.
The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million.
However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations.
Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause.
But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international.
“If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said.
“We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible.
“There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets.
“But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.”
Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic.
Lazar Markovic
It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football.
But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely.
“I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said.
“I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work.
“There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success.
“Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title.
“You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it.
“The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.”
With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks.
There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it.
“Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said.
“They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it.
“The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be.
“I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers.
“The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.”
Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana.
Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent.
“For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth.
“I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us.
“I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule.
“Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth.
“Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance.
“He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character.
“We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us.
“Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player.
“Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert.
“When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”
I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger.
There but for fortune go you and I.

Quiz.

I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey!
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life[/p][/quote]Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets Jul 23, 2014 22:30 Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer. The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million. However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations. Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause. But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international. “If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said. “We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible. “There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets. “But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.” Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic. Lazar Markovic It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football. But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely. “I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said. “I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work. “There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success. “Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title. “You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it. “The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.” With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks. There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it. “Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said. “They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it. “The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be. “I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers. “The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.” Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana. Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent. “For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth. “I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us. “I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule. “Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth. “Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance. “He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character. “We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us. “Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player. “Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert. “When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”[/p][/quote]I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger.[/p][/quote]There but for fortune go you and I. Quiz. I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey! george chivers
  • Score: 8

2:13pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Mush On The Beach says...

@Pos4thSt and George:
There but for fortune go you and I.
Quiz.
I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey!

------
Mush answer:
I love music quizzes, I’m going for one of those camp scousers as my answer.
It’s either Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Dead or Alive or Gerry Marsden with his deep and meaningful Fairy cross the Mersey.

We’ll go Dutch Osprey. (was Phil Ochs a scouser?)
@Pos4thSt and George: There but for fortune go you and I. Quiz. I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey! ------ Mush answer: I love music quizzes, I’m going for one of those camp scousers as my answer. It’s either Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Dead or Alive or Gerry Marsden with his deep and meaningful Fairy cross the Mersey. We’ll go Dutch Osprey. (was Phil Ochs a scouser?) Mush On The Beach
  • Score: -3

2:18pm Thu 24 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

batesieboy wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod.

I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.
!00 percent with Seed on this one. It's a question of priorities...he should be HERE now, nowhere else...there's time for smaller details. He is as useful over there right now as he would be running round in circles here!!
so tell us then, what can ralph do here that he cant in America, if he is in America as I haven't seen any evidence that he is.
his job isn't to talk to the media all the time, why would we want a chairman who did?
NC rarely spoke at all so why is it different for ralph?
les is in charge of footballing matters, whether you like it or not, and Ronnie is the `figurehead` of the club so he should be letting us know whats happening!
just because WE don't see what ralph and les are doing it dosent mean they are being `weak` none of us know so your opinion is just that and not fact! I don't have a clue if hes being a strong leader or weak so I don't say either way, what I can say is that I have heard of phones, computers and Skype and modern businesses do a lot of work that way.

seed just because you haven't heard of veho dosent make them a small company, you don't know what they paid to sponsor us, nor do we, but as ive pointed out to you before a company the size you are suggesting just wouldn't have as many overseas bases as they have! you seem to be looking for anything big or small to have a go a the club, but you don't have any facts to back them up just guesswork. I could guess that veho are a multi-million pound business who put most of their finances through overseas offices. veho also have a deal to make an ayrton senna signature range, do you think that would have been cheap? do you think that the ayrton senna family would have given that away for next to nothing to a tiny company from Southampton? if you think its so cheap to sponsor saints why not go for it yourself in a couple of years? I don't know what any of your firms make but why don't you see if you can do an ayrton senna signature range? ask how much it would cost. seed I actually love the fact that as a club we are sponsored by a Southampton based company whos bosses are saints fans! we are spreading their name to people like you who haven't heard of them and if they get more business from this it might mean they are able to employ more local people, that's got to be a good thing hasn't it? I have heard of veho before, but didn't know they were a Southampton firm, and know they make great quality gadgets, I think their products have been mentioned at least once on C5`s gadget show. would you rather have a faceless company from overseas who don't employ local people but have sweatshops and ruin local environments around the globe just because you have heard of them? we aren't going to get the type of deals that manure get but I`m sure ralph would have got the best deal for the club, and that doesn't always mean the most money. I know you will mention red bull and aap3 but we aren't run by the banker anymore and we don't know any real details about the red bull deal, if indeed there was one!
[quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]We're effectively at war and need the general at the front. There is more to be achieved in persuading Morgan to stay or Vlaar to join than there is in setting up an American academy which could be done after the transfer window shuts. I'm no fan of Les Reed's either but he has been hung out to dry poor sod. I repeat my belief than Ralph will, sooner rather than later, step down saying the job wasn't what he thought it was and wishing to pursue other interests blah blah blah. But by then his short tenure will have seen more destruction than Nero did fiddling while Rome burnt.[/p][/quote]!00 percent with Seed on this one. It's a question of priorities...he should be HERE now, nowhere else...there's time for smaller details. He is as useful over there right now as he would be running round in circles here!![/p][/quote]so tell us then, what can ralph do here that he cant in America, if he is in America as I haven't seen any evidence that he is. his job isn't to talk to the media all the time, why would we want a chairman who did? NC rarely spoke at all so why is it different for ralph? les is in charge of footballing matters, whether you like it or not, and Ronnie is the `figurehead` of the club so he should be letting us know whats happening! just because WE don't see what ralph and les are doing it dosent mean they are being `weak` none of us know so your opinion is just that and not fact! I don't have a clue if hes being a strong leader or weak so I don't say either way, what I can say is that I have heard of phones, computers and Skype and modern businesses do a lot of work that way. seed just because you haven't heard of veho dosent make them a small company, you don't know what they paid to sponsor us, nor do we, but as ive pointed out to you before a company the size you are suggesting just wouldn't have as many overseas bases as they have! you seem to be looking for anything big or small to have a go a the club, but you don't have any facts to back them up just guesswork. I could guess that veho are a multi-million pound business who put most of their finances through overseas offices. veho also have a deal to make an ayrton senna signature range, do you think that would have been cheap? do you think that the ayrton senna family would have given that away for next to nothing to a tiny company from Southampton? if you think its so cheap to sponsor saints why not go for it yourself in a couple of years? I don't know what any of your firms make but why don't you see if you can do an ayrton senna signature range? ask how much it would cost. seed I actually love the fact that as a club we are sponsored by a Southampton based company whos bosses are saints fans! we are spreading their name to people like you who haven't heard of them and if they get more business from this it might mean they are able to employ more local people, that's got to be a good thing hasn't it? I have heard of veho before, but didn't know they were a Southampton firm, and know they make great quality gadgets, I think their products have been mentioned at least once on C5`s gadget show. would you rather have a faceless company from overseas who don't employ local people but have sweatshops and ruin local environments around the globe just because you have heard of them? we aren't going to get the type of deals that manure get but I`m sure ralph would have got the best deal for the club, and that doesn't always mean the most money. I know you will mention red bull and aap3 but we aren't run by the banker anymore and we don't know any real details about the red bull deal, if indeed there was one! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -10

2:21pm Thu 24 Jul 14

03alpe01 says...

Don't freak out. They paid more for him than they did for Suarez. Just saying.
Don't freak out. They paid more for him than they did for Suarez. Just saying. 03alpe01
  • Score: 2

2:50pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life
Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets

Jul 23, 2014 22:30

Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million

Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer.
The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million.
However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations.
Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause.
But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international.
“If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said.
“We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible.
“There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets.
“But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.”
Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic.
Lazar Markovic
It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football.
But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely.
“I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said.
“I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work.
“There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success.
“Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title.
“You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it.
“The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.”
With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks.
There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it.
“Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said.
“They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it.
“The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be.
“I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers.
“The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.”
Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana.
Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent.
“For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth.
“I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us.
“I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule.
“Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth.
“Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance.
“He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character.
“We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us.
“Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player.
“Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert.
“When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”
I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger.
There but for fortune go you and I.

Quiz.

I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey!
Pass. :0)
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life[/p][/quote]Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets Jul 23, 2014 22:30 Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer. The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million. However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations. Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause. But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international. “If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said. “We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible. “There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets. “But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.” Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic. Lazar Markovic It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football. But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely. “I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said. “I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work. “There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success. “Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title. “You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it. “The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.” With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks. There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it. “Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said. “They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it. “The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be. “I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers. “The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.” Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana. Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent. “For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth. “I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us. “I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule. “Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth. “Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance. “He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character. “We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us. “Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player. “Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert. “When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”[/p][/quote]I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger.[/p][/quote]There but for fortune go you and I. Quiz. I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey![/p][/quote]Pass. :0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

2:59pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Numpty Girl says...

george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character


s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust

omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date. Numpty Girl
  • Score: 19

3:00pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life
Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets

Jul 23, 2014 22:30

Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million

Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer.
The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million.
However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations.
Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause.
But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international.
“If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said.
“We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible.
“There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets.
“But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.”
Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic.
Lazar Markovic
It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football.
But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely.
“I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said.
“I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work.
“There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success.
“Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title.
“You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it.
“The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.”
With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks.
There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it.
“Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said.
“They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it.
“The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be.
“I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers.
“The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.”
Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana.
Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent.
“For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth.
“I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us.
“I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule.
“Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth.
“Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance.
“He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character.
“We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us.
“Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player.
“Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert.
“When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”
I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger.
There but for fortune go you and I.

Quiz.

I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey!
I relate more to John Martyn...Over the hill.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life[/p][/quote]Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets Jul 23, 2014 22:30 Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer. The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million. However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations. Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause. But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international. “If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said. “We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible. “There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets. “But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.” Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic. Lazar Markovic It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football. But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely. “I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said. “I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work. “There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success. “Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title. “You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it. “The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.” With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks. There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it. “Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said. “They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it. “The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be. “I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers. “The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.” Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana. Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent. “For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth. “I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us. “I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule. “Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth. “Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance. “He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character. “We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us. “Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player. “Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert. “When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”[/p][/quote]I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger.[/p][/quote]There but for fortune go you and I. Quiz. I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey![/p][/quote]I relate more to John Martyn...Over the hill. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -2

3:15pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Bazultra says...

Whos gives a fook about anything to do with Brenda and Judas
Whos gives a fook about anything to do with Brenda and Judas Bazultra
  • Score: 3

3:37pm Thu 24 Jul 14

mack chinnon says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character



s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust


omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Do you know the offside rule?
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Do you know the offside rule? mack chinnon
  • Score: -4

3:41pm Thu 24 Jul 14

St Van Roetford says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character



s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust


omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Is it your 'time'?
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Is it your 'time'? St Van Roetford
  • Score: -1

3:52pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Dave Juson says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character



s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust


omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August.
On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac.
Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August. On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac. Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out). Dave Juson
  • Score: -13

3:59pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Numpty Girl says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character




s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust



omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Is it your 'time'?
Certainly, the time has come for more transparency on the Board's plans and specifics for our club beyond financial prudence and a vague and rather reluctant aim of Euro football. It's frustrating as a die-hard Saints fan, having a Board which lacks dreams and conviction.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Is it your 'time'?[/p][/quote]Certainly, the time has come for more transparency on the Board's plans and specifics for our club beyond financial prudence and a vague and rather reluctant aim of Euro football. It's frustrating as a die-hard Saints fan, having a Board which lacks dreams and conviction. Numpty Girl
  • Score: 12

4:05pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

Dave Juson wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character




s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust



omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August.
On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac.
Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).
Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August. On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac. Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).[/p][/quote]Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club Saints n Winners
  • Score: 1

4:09pm Thu 24 Jul 14

hdsaint says...

"I have been impressed by his mentality and character.”

Really? See, he's a nice guy when he's got what he wants. He was a nice guy for years at Southampton. As soon as his head was turned by a lucrative move he became a right ****. Now he's got what he wanted he's apparently a nice guy again.

What a jumped up little he really is. Dead to me. I hope he rots at Liverpool and ends up at Stoke in 2 years time.
"I have been impressed by his mentality and character.” Really? See, he's a nice guy when he's got what he wants. He was a nice guy for years at Southampton. As soon as his head was turned by a lucrative move he became a right ****. Now he's got what he wanted he's apparently a nice guy again. What a jumped up little [It won't let me post this word] he really is. Dead to me. I hope he rots at Liverpool and ends up at Stoke in 2 years time. hdsaint
  • Score: 0

4:11pm Thu 24 Jul 14

mack chinnon says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character



s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust


omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Give it a rest Mr House.
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Give it a rest Mr House. mack chinnon
  • Score: -1

4:11pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Numpty Girl says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character





s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust




omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August.
On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac.
Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).
Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club
Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August. On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac. Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).[/p][/quote]Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club[/p][/quote]Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships. Numpty Girl
  • Score: 8

4:17pm Thu 24 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life
Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets

Jul 23, 2014 22:30

Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million

Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer.
The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million.
However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations.
Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause.
But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international.
“If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said.
“We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible.
“There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets.
“But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.”
Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic.
Lazar Markovic
It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football.
But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely.
“I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said.
“I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work.
“There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success.
“Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title.
“You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it.
“The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.”
With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks.
There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it.
“Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said.
“They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it.
“The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be.
“I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers.
“The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.”
Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana.
Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent.
“For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth.
“I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us.
“I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule.
“Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth.
“Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance.
“He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character.
“We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us.
“Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player.
“Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert.
“When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”
I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger.
There but for fortune go you and I.

Quiz.

I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey!
Come off it, I would not dream of going to a party that I had been invited to, and I never buy the drinks either.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life[/p][/quote]Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets Jul 23, 2014 22:30 Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer. The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million. However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations. Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause. But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international. “If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said. “We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible. “There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets. “But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.” Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic. Lazar Markovic It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football. But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely. “I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said. “I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work. “There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success. “Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title. “You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it. “The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.” With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks. There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it. “Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said. “They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it. “The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be. “I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers. “The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.” Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana. Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent. “For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth. “I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us. “I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule. “Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth. “Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance. “He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character. “We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us. “Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player. “Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert. “When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”[/p][/quote]I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger.[/p][/quote]There but for fortune go you and I. Quiz. I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey![/p][/quote]Come off it, I would not dream of going to a party that I had been invited to, and I never buy the drinks either. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -7

4:20pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Harold K Steptoe says...

Any news on Kevin Phillips, Ian Turner, Andrew Surman and Ivan Golac. They're also history to us.
Any news on Kevin Phillips, Ian Turner, Andrew Surman and Ivan Golac. They're also history to us. Harold K Steptoe
  • Score: 1

4:27pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Crispinmumbles says...

SnapperSaint wrote:
Crispinmumbles wrote:
Funny thing is - I feel quite calm and am looking forward to the new season. Everybody who has blamed Katarina Liebherr & Kruegar for the departures this summer, don't understand football. When a player wants to go he goes and I've been encouraged by the quality of the replacement Manager, Coaches and players. We've got our stripes back! We've got some very promising young players who I'm hoping to see, Targett is a player who I've heard VERY good things about and the same applies to Reed. We are chasing some very good players and I think both Scousers & Spuds have it all to lose & nothing to win. Never change a winning formula they say and Loyal Liverpool supporters (who all seem to live in Hampshire & Kent) will see 11 new faces and have lost their 1 World class Cannibal. & Spuds, what have they managed to sign? At least our new manager likes winning cups and has an admirable track record of winning things - more than Spuds can say. Lets lay of the board
enjoy the new season, be excited about incoming quality players and laugh at Spuds & Scousers when they crash & burn - which, they will!
Almost agree with all you say and even though I am on holiday, I don't feel quite so relaxed about life just yet, I think we are still 2 to 3 high calibre, quality players short of a top half of the league team.
I think RK is not a cold hearted, laser focused visionary like NC was and we likely won't achieve as much under his leadership as we might have under NC, but I think we prefer some of the other adjustments he has made at the club. Maybe in the long-term we will prefer the overall end result, which will hopefully include being successful on the pitch too!
Yes, absolutely and we have the cash to do so. I think RK does bring tactical nous, experience & has demonstrated he can attract players who are being courted by other well known clubs - I refuse to say bigger - but I think we'll score goals and that's half the battle.
[quote][p][bold]SnapperSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crispinmumbles[/bold] wrote: Funny thing is - I feel quite calm and am looking forward to the new season. Everybody who has blamed Katarina Liebherr & Kruegar for the departures this summer, don't understand football. When a player wants to go he goes and I've been encouraged by the quality of the replacement Manager, Coaches and players. We've got our stripes back! We've got some very promising young players who I'm hoping to see, Targett is a player who I've heard VERY good things about and the same applies to Reed. We are chasing some very good players and I think both Scousers & Spuds have it all to lose & nothing to win. Never change a winning formula they say and Loyal Liverpool supporters (who all seem to live in Hampshire & Kent) will see 11 new faces and have lost their 1 World class Cannibal. & Spuds, what have they managed to sign? At least our new manager likes winning cups and has an admirable track record of winning things - more than Spuds can say. Lets lay of the board enjoy the new season, be excited about incoming quality players and laugh at Spuds & Scousers when they crash & burn - which, they will![/p][/quote]Almost agree with all you say and even though I am on holiday, I don't feel quite so relaxed about life just yet, I think we are still 2 to 3 high calibre, quality players short of a top half of the league team. I think RK is not a cold hearted, laser focused visionary like NC was and we likely won't achieve as much under his leadership as we might have under NC, but I think we prefer some of the other adjustments he has made at the club. Maybe in the long-term we will prefer the overall end result, which will hopefully include being successful on the pitch too![/p][/quote]Yes, absolutely and we have the cash to do so. I think RK does bring tactical nous, experience & has demonstrated he can attract players who are being courted by other well known clubs - I refuse to say bigger - but I think we'll score goals and that's half the battle. Crispinmumbles
  • Score: 1

4:29pm Thu 24 Jul 14

St Van Roetford says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character





s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust




omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Is it your 'time'?
Certainly, the time has come for more transparency on the Board's plans and specifics for our club beyond financial prudence and a vague and rather reluctant aim of Euro football. It's frustrating as a die-hard Saints fan, having a Board which lacks dreams and conviction.
You sound uncannily like my wife when she's on. "WHEN are you going to fix the shower and what are you going to give the children for dinner given it's three o'clock and you haven't taken anything out to defrost and the shops shut in half an hour and how am I supposed to get to my friend's house tonight given you've booked the car in for a service and it won't be ready until tomorrow but you knew that, didn't you? You've orchestrated this whole thing because you don't want to feed the children and you don't want me to go out."

Like, it's too hot for this. Just let them get on with it.,
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Is it your 'time'?[/p][/quote]Certainly, the time has come for more transparency on the Board's plans and specifics for our club beyond financial prudence and a vague and rather reluctant aim of Euro football. It's frustrating as a die-hard Saints fan, having a Board which lacks dreams and conviction.[/p][/quote]You sound uncannily like my wife when she's on. "WHEN are you going to fix the shower and what are you going to give the children for dinner given it's three o'clock and you haven't taken anything out to defrost and the shops shut in half an hour and how am I supposed to get to my friend's house tonight given you've booked the car in for a service and it won't be ready until tomorrow but you knew that, didn't you? You've orchestrated this whole thing because you don't want to feed the children and you don't want me to go out." Like, it's too hot for this. Just let them get on with it., St Van Roetford
  • Score: -2

4:31pm Thu 24 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

LEADERSHIP IS EVERYTHING.

COYR+WS
LEADERSHIP IS EVERYTHING. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 2

4:39pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Enrico Palazzo says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
lala and brenda - WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU IN SUNNY SOUTHAMPTON.

Message for Enrico Palazzo - it's good that you like some of my posts - there is a mixture of different styles on the FORUM.

WELCOME TO THE HARD-CORE - FIGHT AND WIN.
COYR+WS
Lol!
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: lala and brenda - WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU IN SUNNY SOUTHAMPTON. Message for Enrico Palazzo - it's good that you like some of my posts - there is a mixture of different styles on the FORUM. WELCOME TO THE HARD-CORE - FIGHT AND WIN. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Lol! Enrico Palazzo
  • Score: 1

4:55pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character






s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust





omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August.
On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac.
Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).
Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club
Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.
When you have an objective, you also need to check that you have the correct support mechanisms in place as well.

By way of an illustration - check out the methodology below.
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=Ur0qPdMhr
ag
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August. On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac. Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).[/p][/quote]Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club[/p][/quote]Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.[/p][/quote]When you have an objective, you also need to check that you have the correct support mechanisms in place as well. By way of an illustration - check out the methodology below. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=Ur0qPdMhr ag Saints n Winners
  • Score: 0

4:57pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Dave Juson says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character






s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust





omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August.
On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac.
Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).
Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club
Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.
True Ms Numpty, but are we talking about a ”business plan”, a “strategy”, a “customer interface policy”, a “public relations exercise”, “pandering to the lowest common denominator” or castles in the air?
Buzz words don’t win you games of football.
Cortese had a “Five year plan” one of the most solid principles it enshrined was treating Saints’ fans with contempt. Fancy reviving that one?
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August. On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac. Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).[/p][/quote]Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club[/p][/quote]Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.[/p][/quote]True Ms Numpty, but are we talking about a ”business plan”, a “strategy”, a “customer interface policy”, a “public relations exercise”, “pandering to the lowest common denominator” or castles in the air? Buzz words don’t win you games of football. Cortese had a “Five year plan” one of the most solid principles it enshrined was treating Saints’ fans with contempt. Fancy reviving that one? Dave Juson
  • Score: -11

5:10pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Dave Juson wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character







s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust






omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August.
On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac.
Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).
Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club
Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.
True Ms Numpty, but are we talking about a ”business plan”, a “strategy”, a “customer interface policy”, a “public relations exercise”, “pandering to the lowest common denominator” or castles in the air?
Buzz words don’t win you games of football.
Cortese had a “Five year plan” one of the most solid principles it enshrined was treating Saints’ fans with contempt. Fancy reviving that one?
Well you were the one who wanted to be bold,and have a megalomaniac in charge Dave!
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August. On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac. Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).[/p][/quote]Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club[/p][/quote]Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.[/p][/quote]True Ms Numpty, but are we talking about a ”business plan”, a “strategy”, a “customer interface policy”, a “public relations exercise”, “pandering to the lowest common denominator” or castles in the air? Buzz words don’t win you games of football. Cortese had a “Five year plan” one of the most solid principles it enshrined was treating Saints’ fans with contempt. Fancy reviving that one?[/p][/quote]Well you were the one who wanted to be bold,and have a megalomaniac in charge Dave! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

5:19pm Thu 24 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Numpty Girl wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character






s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust





omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August.
On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac.
Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).
Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club
Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.
Wow!
[quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August. On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac. Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).[/p][/quote]Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club[/p][/quote]Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.[/p][/quote]Wow! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

5:21pm Thu 24 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

So what 'plan' have we had since we reached the prem? NBC's magical champions league qualification in 2 years? How successful was that?

So what if Ralph comes out and says 'champions league in 3yrs' do we say oh OK that will do? Do we believe it? No most of you wanting to hear this plan will start saying 'well we cant do that, hes dreaming and not up to the job. Wheres the money coming from?' Whatever they say
So what Plan do you want?
What if he says 'the plan is to just survive for the next 5yrs?' You will slaughter him equally for that!
We know 'the plan' it to aim for European football! There isn't a set timescale because if they say 2yrs and don't get it they will look daft and you will all call for their heads!
So what 'plan' have we had since we reached the prem? NBC's magical champions league qualification in 2 years? How successful was that? So what if Ralph comes out and says 'champions league in 3yrs' do we say oh OK that will do? Do we believe it? No most of you wanting to hear this plan will start saying 'well we cant do that, hes dreaming and not up to the job. Wheres the money coming from?' Whatever they say So what Plan do you want? What if he says 'the plan is to just survive for the next 5yrs?' You will slaughter him equally for that! We know 'the plan' it to aim for European football! There isn't a set timescale because if they say 2yrs and don't get it they will look daft and you will all call for their heads! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -17

5:22pm Thu 24 Jul 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

Dave Juson wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character







s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust






omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August.
On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac.
Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).
Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club
Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.
True Ms Numpty, but are we talking about a ”business plan”, a “strategy”, a “customer interface policy”, a “public relations exercise”, “pandering to the lowest common denominator” or castles in the air?
Buzz words don’t win you games of football.
Cortese had a “Five year plan” one of the most solid principles it enshrined was treating Saints’ fans with contempt. Fancy reviving that one?
So lets get this right then, the Club is owned by one of the biggest most successful Construction Engineering Conglomerates in the World but some posters on here don't think they have a business plan for the Club, a vision for the future, is that right, is that what is being said?
A CEO who is revered in both Business and in Sport and who has been a success throughout his professional life, in just about everything that he's done.
We now have in charge one of the best players to have played the game in the last 30 odd years with mountains of experience behind him, who could make the best Academy in the Country the best in Europe by implementing some of the Ajax systems and ways.
An owner who has backed the club 100%, even when the previous Chairman allowed his pet project to overrun by more than 100%, agreed loans from offshore banks &companies against future season ticket sales, and arranged for transfer deals which is why we had such a large debt to pay this year.
Anyone who thought we were a few players away from Champions League, or who thought we could keep hold of ANY player when bigger clubs came calling live in cloud la la land.
Get a grip and get real, we will sign players in time, and in time they will be better than the one that have gone.
Those who have left or want to go are no longer part of our club, the players that we have and are going to sign, and progress from the Academy are the ones we now back, the club no longer have a " 5 year plan", we now have a 10-15-20 year plan, back it or get off the bus!
COYS
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August. On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac. Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).[/p][/quote]Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club[/p][/quote]Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.[/p][/quote]True Ms Numpty, but are we talking about a ”business plan”, a “strategy”, a “customer interface policy”, a “public relations exercise”, “pandering to the lowest common denominator” or castles in the air? Buzz words don’t win you games of football. Cortese had a “Five year plan” one of the most solid principles it enshrined was treating Saints’ fans with contempt. Fancy reviving that one?[/p][/quote]So lets get this right then, the Club is owned by one of the biggest most successful Construction Engineering Conglomerates in the World but some posters on here don't think they have a business plan for the Club, a vision for the future, is that right, is that what is being said? A CEO who is revered in both Business and in Sport and who has been a success throughout his professional life, in just about everything that he's done. We now have in charge one of the best players to have played the game in the last 30 odd years with mountains of experience behind him, who could make the best Academy in the Country the best in Europe by implementing some of the Ajax systems and ways. An owner who has backed the club 100%, even when the previous Chairman allowed his pet project to overrun by more than 100%, agreed loans from offshore banks &companies against future season ticket sales, and arranged for transfer deals which is why we had such a large debt to pay this year. Anyone who thought we were a few players away from Champions League, or who thought we could keep hold of ANY player when bigger clubs came calling live in cloud la la land. Get a grip and get real, we will sign players in time, and in time they will be better than the one that have gone. Those who have left or want to go are no longer part of our club, the players that we have and are going to sign, and progress from the Academy are the ones we now back, the club no longer have a " 5 year plan", we now have a 10-15-20 year plan, back it or get off the bus! COYS SaintAsh1964
  • Score: -10

5:23pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character







s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust






omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August.
On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac.
Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).
Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club
Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.
Wow!
Osprey's in love. ;0)
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August. On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac. Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).[/p][/quote]Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club[/p][/quote]Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.[/p][/quote]Wow![/p][/quote]Osprey's in love. ;0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

5:28pm Thu 24 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character








s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust







omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August.
On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac.
Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).
Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club
Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.
Wow!
Osprey's in love. ;0)
That would be a first! I was married once, to the railway.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August. On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac. Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).[/p][/quote]Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club[/p][/quote]Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.[/p][/quote]Wow![/p][/quote]Osprey's in love. ;0)[/p][/quote]That would be a first! I was married once, to the railway. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -6

5:29pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Saints n Winners says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character







s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust






omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August.
On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac.
Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).
Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club
Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.
When you have an objective, you also need to check that you have the correct support mechanisms in place as well.

By way of an illustration - check out the methodology below.
http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=Ur0qPdMhr

ag
very disappointed this link didn't earlier

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=Ur0qPdMhr
ag
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August. On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac. Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).[/p][/quote]Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club[/p][/quote]Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.[/p][/quote]When you have an objective, you also need to check that you have the correct support mechanisms in place as well. By way of an illustration - check out the methodology below. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=Ur0qPdMhr ag[/p][/quote]very disappointed this link didn't earlier http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=Ur0qPdMhr ag Saints n Winners
  • Score: 0

5:30pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character









s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust








omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August.
On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac.
Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).
Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club
Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.
Wow!
Osprey's in love. ;0)
That would be a first! I was married once, to the railway.
Well,at least your priv tickets won't let you down or walk out.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August. On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac. Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).[/p][/quote]Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club[/p][/quote]Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.[/p][/quote]Wow![/p][/quote]Osprey's in love. ;0)[/p][/quote]That would be a first! I was married once, to the railway.[/p][/quote]Well,at least your priv tickets won't let you down or walk out. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

5:31pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Clever Dick says...

Hey Brenda. You don;'t need to try to justify the fee. We_already know he ain't worth what you paid. We_are very happy to have robbed you of some of your Bugs Bunny windfall and we are preparing to rob you of some more when you come back in for the totally unprofessional Croatian. You are spending money like water and I truly hope your disgraceful pursuit of our players ends in disaster both for you and Thievingskiverpool fc
Hey Brenda. You don;'t need to try to justify the fee. We_already know he ain't worth what you paid. We_are very happy to have robbed you of some of your Bugs Bunny windfall and we are preparing to rob you of some more when you come back in for the totally unprofessional Croatian. You are spending money like water and I truly hope your disgraceful pursuit of our players ends in disaster both for you and Thievingskiverpool fc Clever Dick
  • Score: 7

5:37pm Thu 24 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character










s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust









omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August.
On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac.
Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).
Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club
Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.
Wow!
Osprey's in love. ;0)
That would be a first! I was married once, to the railway.
Well,at least your priv tickets won't let you down or walk out.
Still get 16 free goes as well, sadly I don't take enough advantage of the perks, but as I started in 1964 I get full benefits which a lot of the new guys do not. I loved the job but social opportunities were zero. Thanks to a lot of good workmates, I didn't miss many home games though.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August. On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac. Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).[/p][/quote]Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club[/p][/quote]Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.[/p][/quote]Wow![/p][/quote]Osprey's in love. ;0)[/p][/quote]That would be a first! I was married once, to the railway.[/p][/quote]Well,at least your priv tickets won't let you down or walk out.[/p][/quote]Still get 16 free goes as well, sadly I don't take enough advantage of the perks, but as I started in 1964 I get full benefits which a lot of the new guys do not. I loved the job but social opportunities were zero. Thanks to a lot of good workmates, I didn't miss many home games though. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -7

5:39pm Thu 24 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I see that although interest in Saints is low, that people all want to see the Cherries, as the game has completely sold out.
I see that although interest in Saints is low, that people all want to see the Cherries, as the game has completely sold out. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

5:47pm Thu 24 Jul 14

milton road says...

Part of the prob is that Koeman has not had a real chance to see Hoov under pressure and realise that whether Lovren goes or stays we still need another centre back.
There seems little talk of a left back and we do not have a recognised one unless we are talking of bringing Taggart as first choice.
I am hoping there is a lot going on behind the scenes and talks going on we do not know about. Everything seems to get leaked these days.
Spurs still have not bid for Morgan according to sky news and there are no bids in for him.
Have to agree we were supposed to have this long list of players tripping over to come to us where are they?
We have the money in the kitty, yes we are going to have to pay above the odds just like others did and will do for our players but we should be building our squad and not just with Dutch players.
It is mad that we still have players returning from international duty and we cannot get a full squad playing together whether one or two are going or not.
Several clubs have bought 4-5 players so far to strengthen for the coming season, we seem to be sat on our hands. Spurs are meant to be in for Redmond but there is a lot of talk that Spurs do not have the spending power without selling. It also means if they do come for Morgan there may be a part exchange deal offered.
In the old days you woke up to the surprise of a player or two coming i, yet in the PL it seems impossible to keep prospective signings a secret.
Part of the prob is that Koeman has not had a real chance to see Hoov under pressure and realise that whether Lovren goes or stays we still need another centre back. There seems little talk of a left back and we do not have a recognised one unless we are talking of bringing Taggart as first choice. I am hoping there is a lot going on behind the scenes and talks going on we do not know about. Everything seems to get leaked these days. Spurs still have not bid for Morgan according to sky news and there are no bids in for him. Have to agree we were supposed to have this long list of players tripping over to come to us where are they? We have the money in the kitty, yes we are going to have to pay above the odds just like others did and will do for our players but we should be building our squad and not just with Dutch players. It is mad that we still have players returning from international duty and we cannot get a full squad playing together whether one or two are going or not. Several clubs have bought 4-5 players so far to strengthen for the coming season, we seem to be sat on our hands. Spurs are meant to be in for Redmond but there is a lot of talk that Spurs do not have the spending power without selling. It also means if they do come for Morgan there may be a part exchange deal offered. In the old days you woke up to the surprise of a player or two coming i, yet in the PL it seems impossible to keep prospective signings a secret. milton road
  • Score: 1

5:58pm Thu 24 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life
Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets

Jul 23, 2014 22:30

Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million

Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer.
The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million.
However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations.
Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause.
But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international.
“If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said.
“We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible.
“There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets.
“But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.”
Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic.
Lazar Markovic
It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football.
But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely.
“I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said.
“I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work.
“There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success.
“Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title.
“You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it.
“The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.”
With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks.
There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it.
“Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said.
“They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it.
“The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be.
“I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers.
“The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.”
Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana.
Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent.
“For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth.
“I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us.
“I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule.
“Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth.
“Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance.
“He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character.
“We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us.
“Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player.
“Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert.
“When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”
I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger.
There but for fortune go you and I.

Quiz.

I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey!
Pass. :0)
Does that mean you don't know, or you just don't fancy the prize?

Answer: Phil Ochs

Never mind you win a consolation prize of a night in with Osprey.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life[/p][/quote]Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets Jul 23, 2014 22:30 Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer. The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million. However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations. Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause. But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international. “If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said. “We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible. “There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets. “But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.” Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic. Lazar Markovic It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football. But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely. “I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said. “I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work. “There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success. “Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title. “You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it. “The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.” With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks. There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it. “Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said. “They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it. “The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be. “I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers. “The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.” Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana. Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent. “For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth. “I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us. “I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule. “Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth. “Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance. “He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character. “We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us. “Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player. “Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert. “When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”[/p][/quote]I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger.[/p][/quote]There but for fortune go you and I. Quiz. I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey![/p][/quote]Pass. :0)[/p][/quote]Does that mean you don't know, or you just don't fancy the prize? Answer: Phil Ochs Never mind you win a consolation prize of a night in with Osprey. george chivers
  • Score: 8

6:00pm Thu 24 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

milton road wrote:
Part of the prob is that Koeman has not had a real chance to see Hoov under pressure and realise that whether Lovren goes or stays we still need another centre back.
There seems little talk of a left back and we do not have a recognised one unless we are talking of bringing Taggart as first choice.
I am hoping there is a lot going on behind the scenes and talks going on we do not know about. Everything seems to get leaked these days.
Spurs still have not bid for Morgan according to sky news and there are no bids in for him.
Have to agree we were supposed to have this long list of players tripping over to come to us where are they?
We have the money in the kitty, yes we are going to have to pay above the odds just like others did and will do for our players but we should be building our squad and not just with Dutch players.
It is mad that we still have players returning from international duty and we cannot get a full squad playing together whether one or two are going or not.
Several clubs have bought 4-5 players so far to strengthen for the coming season, we seem to be sat on our hands. Spurs are meant to be in for Redmond but there is a lot of talk that Spurs do not have the spending power without selling. It also means if they do come for Morgan there may be a part exchange deal offered.
In the old days you woke up to the surprise of a player or two coming i, yet in the PL it seems impossible to keep prospective signings a secret.
A lot of what you says explains much that is our problem, I am sure RonKo is aware of Hoovers limitations, I wouldn't worry yourself about that!.
Our problem is that as soon as there is the slightest hint that we are interested in a player, the Vultures circle around and pounce before we can seal the deal. They respect us for the fact that we know a good thing when we see one, we just haven't got the clout to beat off the opposition.
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Part of the prob is that Koeman has not had a real chance to see Hoov under pressure and realise that whether Lovren goes or stays we still need another centre back. There seems little talk of a left back and we do not have a recognised one unless we are talking of bringing Taggart as first choice. I am hoping there is a lot going on behind the scenes and talks going on we do not know about. Everything seems to get leaked these days. Spurs still have not bid for Morgan according to sky news and there are no bids in for him. Have to agree we were supposed to have this long list of players tripping over to come to us where are they? We have the money in the kitty, yes we are going to have to pay above the odds just like others did and will do for our players but we should be building our squad and not just with Dutch players. It is mad that we still have players returning from international duty and we cannot get a full squad playing together whether one or two are going or not. Several clubs have bought 4-5 players so far to strengthen for the coming season, we seem to be sat on our hands. Spurs are meant to be in for Redmond but there is a lot of talk that Spurs do not have the spending power without selling. It also means if they do come for Morgan there may be a part exchange deal offered. In the old days you woke up to the surprise of a player or two coming i, yet in the PL it seems impossible to keep prospective signings a secret.[/p][/quote]A lot of what you says explains much that is our problem, I am sure RonKo is aware of Hoovers limitations, I wouldn't worry yourself about that!. Our problem is that as soon as there is the slightest hint that we are interested in a player, the Vultures circle around and pounce before we can seal the deal. They respect us for the fact that we know a good thing when we see one, we just haven't got the clout to beat off the opposition. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -11

6:21pm Thu 24 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

SaintAsh1964,

whilst I agree with nearly everything you said I have t just set you right on one thing.
we are not owned by `one of the biggest most successful Construction Engineering Conglomerates in the World`.
the club is solely owned by katharina liebherr and has no connection to the liebherr group, well apart from family ties. the liebherr group is run by KL`s uncles and aunts. ST Markus had an equal share in the liebherr group but gave almost all of his shares back in the 80`s and started his own `mali` group of companies, many of which have since been wound up.
KL will still have been taught how to run companies by her father, what father wouldn't teach his sole heir those skills. so we are still in very safe hands.
I think the problem is that some people got caught up in NC`s world dominance dream and thought European football was just a year or 2 away. KL has stated, through the club, that European football is still a target but it has to be done without spending a huge fortune, which is what NC wanted to do.
SaintAsh1964, whilst I agree with nearly everything you said I have t just set you right on one thing. we are not owned by `one of the biggest most successful Construction Engineering Conglomerates in the World`. the club is solely owned by katharina liebherr and has no connection to the liebherr group, well apart from family ties. the liebherr group is run by KL`s uncles and aunts. ST Markus had an equal share in the liebherr group but gave almost all of his shares back in the 80`s and started his own `mali` group of companies, many of which have since been wound up. KL will still have been taught how to run companies by her father, what father wouldn't teach his sole heir those skills. so we are still in very safe hands. I think the problem is that some people got caught up in NC`s world dominance dream and thought European football was just a year or 2 away. KL has stated, through the club, that European football is still a target but it has to be done without spending a huge fortune, which is what NC wanted to do. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -12

6:42pm Thu 24 Jul 14

M.U.CS1 says...

What a sad bunch of muppets you Southampton supporters really are, a player leave's, who was once your hero for better things and in no time at all he is a hated. You wouldn't even be in the premiership without players of his quality putting their all into the past few seasons,you deserve what you are going to get, nothing from next season and a few more players leaving !
What a sad bunch of muppets you Southampton supporters really are, a player leave's, who was once your hero for better things and in no time at all he is a hated. You wouldn't even be in the premiership without players of his quality putting their all into the past few seasons,you deserve what you are going to get, nothing from next season and a few more players leaving ! M.U.CS1
  • Score: 8

6:43pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

mack chinnon wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character




s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust



omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Give it a rest Mr House.
Ha not me mush. Chub fishing on Throop with Small and losing 3-1. Just flicked through posts and I have to say she can have a seat on my board anytime she totally gets it. The fact you numpties think you should run a £100m a year business without a plan is a tad worrying!
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Give it a rest Mr House.[/p][/quote]Ha not me mush. Chub fishing on Throop with Small and losing 3-1. Just flicked through posts and I have to say she can have a seat on my board anytime she totally gets it. The fact you numpties think you should run a £100m a year business without a plan is a tad worrying! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 14

6:49pm Thu 24 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
What a sad bunch of muppets you Southampton supporters really are, a player leave's, who was once your hero for better things and in no time at all he is a hated. You wouldn't even be in the premiership without players of his quality putting their all into the past few seasons,you deserve what you are going to get, nothing from next season and a few more players leaving !
how are pooey doing this summer? any friendlies lined up? signed any top class players? is awful still your manager and do you still think you own the club?
have fun at Exeter!
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: What a sad bunch of muppets you Southampton supporters really are, a player leave's, who was once your hero for better things and in no time at all he is a hated. You wouldn't even be in the premiership without players of his quality putting their all into the past few seasons,you deserve what you are going to get, nothing from next season and a few more players leaving ![/p][/quote]how are pooey doing this summer? any friendlies lined up? signed any top class players? is awful still your manager and do you still think you own the club? have fun at Exeter! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -12

6:55pm Thu 24 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character





s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust




omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Give it a rest Mr House.
Ha not me mush. Chub fishing on Throop with Small and losing 3-1. Just flicked through posts and I have to say she can have a seat on my board anytime she totally gets it. The fact you numpties think you should run a £100m a year business without a plan is a tad worrying!
who said there isn't a plan seed?
we know `the plan` to aim for European football. I don't know what else you want to know. do you want a timescale? what if they don't get there in that timescale? the club is being run properly and not spending beyond our means. I think we should all be thankful for that!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Give it a rest Mr House.[/p][/quote]Ha not me mush. Chub fishing on Throop with Small and losing 3-1. Just flicked through posts and I have to say she can have a seat on my board anytime she totally gets it. The fact you numpties think you should run a £100m a year business without a plan is a tad worrying![/p][/quote]who said there isn't a plan seed? we know `the plan` to aim for European football. I don't know what else you want to know. do you want a timescale? what if they don't get there in that timescale? the club is being run properly and not spending beyond our means. I think we should all be thankful for that! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -19

7:06pm Thu 24 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character





s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust




omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Give it a rest Mr House.
Ha not me mush. Chub fishing on Throop with Small and losing 3-1. Just flicked through posts and I have to say she can have a seat on my board anytime she totally gets it. The fact you numpties think you should run a £100m a year business without a plan is a tad worrying!
The unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible, still have that vision of a Saints bobble hatted gnome dangling his rod.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Give it a rest Mr House.[/p][/quote]Ha not me mush. Chub fishing on Throop with Small and losing 3-1. Just flicked through posts and I have to say she can have a seat on my board anytime she totally gets it. The fact you numpties think you should run a £100m a year business without a plan is a tad worrying![/p][/quote]The unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible, still have that vision of a Saints bobble hatted gnome dangling his rod. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -6

7:17pm Thu 24 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I went Chub fishing once, got two Yales and a fire extinguisher. Then tried fly fishing and got a six pound bluebottle.
I went Chub fishing once, got two Yales and a fire extinguisher. Then tried fly fishing and got a six pound bluebottle. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

7:28pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I went Chub fishing once, got two Yales and a fire extinguisher. Then tried fly fishing and got a six pound bluebottle.
That's Chubb not Chub, largest fire protection company in the country. At the moment.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I went Chub fishing once, got two Yales and a fire extinguisher. Then tried fly fishing and got a six pound bluebottle.[/p][/quote]That's Chubb not Chub, largest fire protection company in the country. At the moment. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

7:30pm Thu 24 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I went Chub fishing once, got two Yales and a fire extinguisher. Then tried fly fishing and got a six pound bluebottle.
That's Chubb not Chub, largest fire protection company in the country. At the moment.
I am a bit put out about that.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I went Chub fishing once, got two Yales and a fire extinguisher. Then tried fly fishing and got a six pound bluebottle.[/p][/quote]That's Chubb not Chub, largest fire protection company in the country. At the moment.[/p][/quote]I am a bit put out about that. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

7:32pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life
Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets

Jul 23, 2014 22:30

Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million

Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer.
The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million.
However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations.
Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause.
But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international.
“If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said.
“We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible.
“There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets.
“But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.”
Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic.
Lazar Markovic
It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football.
But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely.
“I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said.
“I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work.
“There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success.
“Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title.
“You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it.
“The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.”
With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks.
There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it.
“Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said.
“They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it.
“The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be.
“I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers.
“The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.”
Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana.
Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent.
“For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth.
“I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us.
“I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule.
“Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth.
“Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance.
“He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character.
“We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us.
“Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player.
“Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert.
“When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”
I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger.
There but for fortune go you and I.

Quiz.

I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey!
Pass. :0)
Does that mean you don't know, or you just don't fancy the prize?

Answer: Phil Ochs

Never mind you win a consolation prize of a night in with Osprey.
Another Greenwich village troubadour. I'll have to pass on the night out with Osprey,I'd just be a gooseberry with Ms Numpty there as well.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life[/p][/quote]Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets Jul 23, 2014 22:30 Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer. The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million. However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations. Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause. But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international. “If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said. “We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible. “There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets. “But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.” Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic. Lazar Markovic It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football. But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely. “I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said. “I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work. “There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success. “Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title. “You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it. “The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.” With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks. There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it. “Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said. “They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it. “The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be. “I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers. “The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.” Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana. Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent. “For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth. “I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us. “I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule. “Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth. “Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance. “He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character. “We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us. “Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player. “Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert. “When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”[/p][/quote]I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger.[/p][/quote]There but for fortune go you and I. Quiz. I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey![/p][/quote]Pass. :0)[/p][/quote]Does that mean you don't know, or you just don't fancy the prize? Answer: Phil Ochs Never mind you win a consolation prize of a night in with Osprey.[/p][/quote]Another Greenwich village troubadour. I'll have to pass on the night out with Osprey,I'd just be a gooseberry with Ms Numpty there as well. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

7:52pm Thu 24 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life
Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets

Jul 23, 2014 22:30

Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million

Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer.
The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million.
However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations.
Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause.
But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international.
“If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said.
“We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible.
“There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets.
“But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.”
Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic.
Lazar Markovic
It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football.
But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely.
“I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said.
“I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work.
“There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success.
“Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title.
“You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it.
“The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.”
With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks.
There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it.
“Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said.
“They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it.
“The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be.
“I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers.
“The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.”
Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana.
Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent.
“For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth.
“I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us.
“I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule.
“Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth.
“Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance.
“He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character.
“We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us.
“Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player.
“Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert.
“When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”
I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger.
There but for fortune go you and I.

Quiz.

I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey!
Pass. :0)
Does that mean you don't know, or you just don't fancy the prize?

Answer: Phil Ochs

Never mind you win a consolation prize of a night in with Osprey.
Another Greenwich village troubadour. I'll have to pass on the night out with Osprey,I'd just be a gooseberry with Ms Numpty there as well.
Gooseberry? Is that a reference to your complexion? Green and hairy?
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life[/p][/quote]Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets Jul 23, 2014 22:30 Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer. The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million. However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations. Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause. But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international. “If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said. “We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible. “There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets. “But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.” Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic. Lazar Markovic It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football. But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely. “I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said. “I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work. “There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success. “Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title. “You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it. “The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.” With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks. There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it. “Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said. “They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it. “The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be. “I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers. “The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.” Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana. Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent. “For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth. “I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us. “I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule. “Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth. “Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance. “He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character. “We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us. “Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player. “Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert. “When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”[/p][/quote]I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger.[/p][/quote]There but for fortune go you and I. Quiz. I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey![/p][/quote]Pass. :0)[/p][/quote]Does that mean you don't know, or you just don't fancy the prize? Answer: Phil Ochs Never mind you win a consolation prize of a night in with Osprey.[/p][/quote]Another Greenwich village troubadour. I'll have to pass on the night out with Osprey,I'd just be a gooseberry with Ms Numpty there as well.[/p][/quote]Gooseberry? Is that a reference to your complexion? Green and hairy? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

8:17pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life
Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets

Jul 23, 2014 22:30

Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million

Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer.
The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million.
However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations.
Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause.
But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international.
“If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said.
“We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible.
“There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets.
“But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.”
Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic.
Lazar Markovic
It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football.
But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely.
“I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said.
“I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work.
“There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success.
“Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title.
“You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it.
“The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.”
With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks.
There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it.
“Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said.
“They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it.
“The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be.
“I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers.
“The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.”
Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana.
Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent.
“For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth.
“I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us.
“I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule.
“Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth.
“Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance.
“He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character.
“We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us.
“Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player.
“Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert.
“When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”
I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger.
There but for fortune go you and I.

Quiz.

I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey!
Pass. :0)
Does that mean you don't know, or you just don't fancy the prize?

Answer: Phil Ochs

Never mind you win a consolation prize of a night in with Osprey.
Another Greenwich village troubadour. I'll have to pass on the night out with Osprey,I'd just be a gooseberry with Ms Numpty there as well.
Gooseberry? Is that a reference to your complexion? Green and hairy?
How did you know I'm Shrek's love child?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life[/p][/quote]Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets Jul 23, 2014 22:30 Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer. The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million. However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations. Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause. But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international. “If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said. “We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible. “There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets. “But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.” Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic. Lazar Markovic It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football. But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely. “I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said. “I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work. “There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success. “Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title. “You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it. “The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.” With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks. There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it. “Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said. “They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it. “The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be. “I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers. “The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.” Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana. Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent. “For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth. “I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us. “I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule. “Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth. “Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance. “He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character. “We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us. “Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player. “Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert. “When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”[/p][/quote]I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger.[/p][/quote]There but for fortune go you and I. Quiz. I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey![/p][/quote]Pass. :0)[/p][/quote]Does that mean you don't know, or you just don't fancy the prize? Answer: Phil Ochs Never mind you win a consolation prize of a night in with Osprey.[/p][/quote]Another Greenwich village troubadour. I'll have to pass on the night out with Osprey,I'd just be a gooseberry with Ms Numpty there as well.[/p][/quote]Gooseberry? Is that a reference to your complexion? Green and hairy?[/p][/quote]How did you know I'm Shrek's love child? Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

8:25pm Thu 24 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
one in the crowd wrote:
Malcombe wrote:
Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life
Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets

Jul 23, 2014 22:30

Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million

Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer.
The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million.
However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations.
Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause.
But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international.
“If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said.
“We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible.
“There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets.
“But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.”
Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic.
Lazar Markovic
It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football.
But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely.
“I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said.
“I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work.
“There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success.
“Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title.
“You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it.
“The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.”
With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks.
There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it.
“Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said.
“They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it.
“The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be.
“I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers.
“The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.”
Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana.
Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent.
“For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth.
“I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us.
“I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule.
“Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth.
“Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance.
“He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character.
“We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us.
“Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player.
“Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert.
“When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”
I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger.
There but for fortune go you and I.

Quiz.

I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey!
Pass. :0)
Does that mean you don't know, or you just don't fancy the prize?

Answer: Phil Ochs

Never mind you win a consolation prize of a night in with Osprey.
Another Greenwich village troubadour. I'll have to pass on the night out with Osprey,I'd just be a gooseberry with Ms Numpty there as well.
Gooseberry? Is that a reference to your complexion? Green and hairy?
How did you know I'm Shrek's love child?
Donkey spilt the beans.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in the crowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Why is Brendan Rodgers blowing a gasket, surely he knows what he's doing he's an intelligent man isn't he, his big headed enough to take it, I wonder who's doubting his judgement, is he getting desperate for compliments? He's had enough practice dealing with transfers since May and has been allowed to bring in at least 11 Players even if it has given LFC a deficit of probably £100million well maybe not quite this amount but but does he care it's not his money, do we Southampton Supporters care what he does and LFC? Let's hope it's the last we know anything about him and LFC on this Site, personally I do not care about any Club other than mine and that's The Saints my Team for life[/p][/quote]Rodgers insists Liverpool will not be held to ransom with their transfer targets Jul 23, 2014 22:30 Even after sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million Brendan Rodgers has warned rival clubs that Liverpool FC won't pay over the odds for talent this summer. The manager's transfer kitty has been swelled by the sale of Luis Suarez to Barcelona for £75million. However, Rodgers insists despite that windfall the club's approach to deals remains the same – they place a value on a target and won't exceed that figure in negotiations. Loic Remy, who has linked up with the squad in Boston, will become the Reds' fifth summer signing in a £8.5million move from Queens Park Rangers after they triggered his release clause. But Liverpool have been frustrated in their attempts to land other targets such as left-back Alberto Moreno with Sevilla having repeatedly upped their demands for the Spain international. “If clubs sense there is an opportunity to get more out of us it won’t happen,” Rodgers said. “We are very unified in how we work in that way. We have a value for a player and most clubs have been sensible. “There has been a lot of work. There's hardly been a break for the staff over the off season, flying through Europe, speaking with players and looking at targets. “But generally the prices we've paid was the value we put on them. I would not want the club to pay more than a value just to get someone in.” Buying Remy will take Liverpool's summer spending past the £65million mark following the acquisition of Rickie Lambert, Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Lazar Markovic. Lazar Markovic It was always going to be a busy window for the Reds as Rodgers looks to assemble a squad capable of coping with the demands of Champions League football. But the exit of Suarez has vastly increased the amount of cash available for signings. With that unprecedented war chest for a Liverpool manager comes great responsibility to ensure it's spent wisely. “I have always said at every club I’ve been at that the club’s money is my money. I work for the club,” Rodgers said. “I’m there to serve the club and run it the best I possibly can on the field and work with the owners off it. They know I push to get the best players to come in and they gain the trust with how we work. “There is money available but we know that spending money does not always guarantee success. “Last January everyone was crying out that we needed more signings. We never signed anyone. Okay, we might have done with one or two but it was not a major factor in us not winning the title. “You only spend the money if the players are there. The great thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available. What we can’t do is spend for the sake of it. “The players we’ve brought in were players we wanted anyway. It was well documented that our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in a number of players to get that level and depth up.” With Liverpool hopeful of wrapping up a £20million deal for Southampton centre-back Dejan Lovren and Rodgers still trying to strengthen his full-back options, it promises to be a busy few weeks. There is a school of thought that the Reds need a 'marquee' signing to truly fill the void left by Suarez but the manager has a plan and won't deviate from it. “Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names,” he said. “They must all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution. If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same then so be it. “The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person. I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be. “I want players resting when they should be resting, training hard and working hard and focusing on their life as footballers. “The types we have brought in are those types, as well as those we already have in the squad who have been brilliant. It is footballing qualities and also human qualities we want.” Eyebrows were raised at the size of the fee Liverpool handed over to Southampton for Lallana. Rodgers admits there is a premium to be paid for English talent but he has no doubts that it will prove to be £23million well spent. “For British players across the board there is always that,” he said. “We paid what we thought he was worth. We would not go higher than we thought he was worth. “I spoke to enough people about him and have seen enough of him, and know enough people who had seen him and played with him to know he would be a great signing for us. “I have no qualms about it. The value of British players is always pushed up because of the home grown rule. “Adam is a great boy. The types of players we bring in will have the profile of what we want so the transition should be smooth. “Of course it is is going to be strange for them at times coming into a new team, but you see it with him straight away he presses for the ball when he does not have it and he has got beautiful balance. “He can score goals and create goals. He is a wonderful footballer. I have been impressed by his mentality and character. “We are bringing in players who I believe will really contribute for us. “Emre Can has the pace and the power. He has played in the Champions League and has good experience for a young player. “Markovic – the talent is there with him. He will contribute as will Lallana and Lambert. “When we play in the Champions League in the week I need to know I have players who I can put in and they will contribute.”[/p][/quote]I'm consulting with Injury Lawyers 4U about your posts,One Foot in the Grave,I've just badly sprained my scroll down finger.[/p][/quote]There but for fortune go you and I. Quiz. I know Bob didn't write it. But who did? Prize a night out with Osprey![/p][/quote]Pass. :0)[/p][/quote]Does that mean you don't know, or you just don't fancy the prize? Answer: Phil Ochs Never mind you win a consolation prize of a night in with Osprey.[/p][/quote]Another Greenwich village troubadour. I'll have to pass on the night out with Osprey,I'd just be a gooseberry with Ms Numpty there as well.[/p][/quote]Gooseberry? Is that a reference to your complexion? Green and hairy?[/p][/quote]How did you know I'm Shrek's love child?[/p][/quote]Donkey spilt the beans. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

9:50pm Thu 24 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Amazed at twitter messages from fans who have tickets for the game tomorrow and are moaning because the game is going to be streamed on line, would they rather watch it on a dodgy link than be there live?

No pleasing some people.
Amazed at twitter messages from fans who have tickets for the game tomorrow and are moaning because the game is going to be streamed on line, would they rather watch it on a dodgy link than be there live? No pleasing some people. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

10:56pm Thu 24 Jul 14

knuckle dragger says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Why do you think we have a CEO for?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Why do you think we have a CEO for? knuckle dragger
  • Score: 1

11:01pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Invidia says...

I get a bit pis*ed off when people say that Koemen knows this and he knows that and he is an experienced manager who knows what he is doing it wasn't very long ago they were saying the same about David Moyes and where is that poor sod now, yes RK is trying but it looks like a lot of the academy players will make up the team this coming season the academy game was called off because so many are around the first team, they may look good if you compare with the Dutch league but it is a big step up to the PL, the other point that pis*es me off is when fans talk of understanding RL motives for joining Liverpool, let's face it who put RL where he is now certainly not Liverpool they snubbed him pretty much all his footballing days, he left like a rat up a drainpipe as much as I enjoyed watching RL and thought he would see his days out with us, he is as mercenary as the other hypocrites who walked out on us. now pick the bones out of that!
I get a bit pis*ed off when people say that Koemen knows this and he knows that and he is an experienced manager who knows what he is doing it wasn't very long ago they were saying the same about David Moyes and where is that poor sod now, yes RK is trying but it looks like a lot of the academy players will make up the team this coming season the academy game was called off because so many are around the first team, they may look good if you compare with the Dutch league but it is a big step up to the PL, the other point that pis*es me off is when fans talk of understanding RL motives for joining Liverpool, let's face it who put RL where he is now certainly not Liverpool they snubbed him pretty much all his footballing days, he left like a rat up a drainpipe as much as I enjoyed watching RL and thought he would see his days out with us, he is as mercenary as the other hypocrites who walked out on us. now pick the bones out of that! Invidia
  • Score: 10

11:12pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Numpty Girl says...

Invidia wrote:
I get a bit pis*ed off when people say that Koemen knows this and he knows that and he is an experienced manager who knows what he is doing it wasn't very long ago they were saying the same about David Moyes and where is that poor sod now, yes RK is trying but it looks like a lot of the academy players will make up the team this coming season the academy game was called off because so many are around the first team, they may look good if you compare with the Dutch league but it is a big step up to the PL, the other point that pis*es me off is when fans talk of understanding RL motives for joining Liverpool, let's face it who put RL where he is now certainly not Liverpool they snubbed him pretty much all his footballing days, he left like a rat up a drainpipe as much as I enjoyed watching RL and thought he would see his days out with us, he is as mercenary as the other hypocrites who walked out on us. now pick the bones out of that!
Totally agree on all counts.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: I get a bit pis*ed off when people say that Koemen knows this and he knows that and he is an experienced manager who knows what he is doing it wasn't very long ago they were saying the same about David Moyes and where is that poor sod now, yes RK is trying but it looks like a lot of the academy players will make up the team this coming season the academy game was called off because so many are around the first team, they may look good if you compare with the Dutch league but it is a big step up to the PL, the other point that pis*es me off is when fans talk of understanding RL motives for joining Liverpool, let's face it who put RL where he is now certainly not Liverpool they snubbed him pretty much all his footballing days, he left like a rat up a drainpipe as much as I enjoyed watching RL and thought he would see his days out with us, he is as mercenary as the other hypocrites who walked out on us. now pick the bones out of that![/p][/quote]Totally agree on all counts. Numpty Girl
  • Score: 9

11:26pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Invidia wrote:
I get a bit pis*ed off when people say that Koemen knows this and he knows that and he is an experienced manager who knows what he is doing it wasn't very long ago they were saying the same about David Moyes and where is that poor sod now, yes RK is trying but it looks like a lot of the academy players will make up the team this coming season the academy game was called off because so many are around the first team, they may look good if you compare with the Dutch league but it is a big step up to the PL, the other point that pis*es me off is when fans talk of understanding RL motives for joining Liverpool, let's face it who put RL where he is now certainly not Liverpool they snubbed him pretty much all his footballing days, he left like a rat up a drainpipe as much as I enjoyed watching RL and thought he would see his days out with us, he is as mercenary as the other hypocrites who walked out on us. now pick the bones out of that!
Yep.

What I didn't get about that one was Ralphie did a TV interview on the Thursday saying not selling any players until the manager is in place. By the Sunday Lambert was gone. It then transpired that Liverpool rang Thursday afternoon and said they wanted to buy him but it had to be done by the end of the weekend. Now bearing in mind we were doing them and him a favour I thought the immensely tight deadline to agree fee, negotiate with the player, paperwork, medical etc having to be done in 36 hours was a tad rude. Ralph should have said 'look I've just made a televised statement and can't go back on it the same bloody day! We will do a deal but it can't be announced until after the world cup, ok?' But he didn't.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: I get a bit pis*ed off when people say that Koemen knows this and he knows that and he is an experienced manager who knows what he is doing it wasn't very long ago they were saying the same about David Moyes and where is that poor sod now, yes RK is trying but it looks like a lot of the academy players will make up the team this coming season the academy game was called off because so many are around the first team, they may look good if you compare with the Dutch league but it is a big step up to the PL, the other point that pis*es me off is when fans talk of understanding RL motives for joining Liverpool, let's face it who put RL where he is now certainly not Liverpool they snubbed him pretty much all his footballing days, he left like a rat up a drainpipe as much as I enjoyed watching RL and thought he would see his days out with us, he is as mercenary as the other hypocrites who walked out on us. now pick the bones out of that![/p][/quote]Yep. What I didn't get about that one was Ralphie did a TV interview on the Thursday saying not selling any players until the manager is in place. By the Sunday Lambert was gone. It then transpired that Liverpool rang Thursday afternoon and said they wanted to buy him but it had to be done by the end of the weekend. Now bearing in mind we were doing them and him a favour I thought the immensely tight deadline to agree fee, negotiate with the player, paperwork, medical etc having to be done in 36 hours was a tad rude. Ralph should have said 'look I've just made a televised statement and can't go back on it the same bloody day! We will do a deal but it can't be announced until after the world cup, ok?' But he didn't. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 14

11:43pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Invidia says...

As I have said before Seed there is something not right at St Mary's. when NC was at the helm Les Reed was his right hand man, when NC left Les Reed took over as interim chairman he most definitely would have known the feeling of the players and MoPo, in fact most of the players were quoted as saying that MoPo should stay Les Reed at that time did nothing except state that he would talk to MoPo at the end of the season and to be fair so did MoPo, it does not take a crystal ball to see why the players bailed out players are people and people like to know as far as can be determined where there future is, this whole shambles started way before the last game of the season now I am not privvy to what went on but with hindsight it emerged pretty well the way I have thought. The truth is undeniable the statements that LR and RK have made are untrue.
As I have said before Seed there is something not right at St Mary's. when NC was at the helm Les Reed was his right hand man, when NC left Les Reed took over as interim chairman he most definitely would have known the feeling of the players and MoPo, in fact most of the players were quoted as saying that MoPo should stay Les Reed at that time did nothing except state that he would talk to MoPo at the end of the season and to be fair so did MoPo, it does not take a crystal ball to see why the players bailed out players are people and people like to know as far as can be determined where there future is, this whole shambles started way before the last game of the season now I am not privvy to what went on but with hindsight it emerged pretty well the way I have thought. The truth is undeniable the statements that LR and RK have made are untrue. Invidia
  • Score: 8

12:03am Fri 25 Jul 14

Invidia says...

The Italian press are saying that Osvaldo has agreed personal terms with Inter. If I had any say in the matter I would let him sweat till the last day of the window.
The Italian press are saying that Osvaldo has agreed personal terms with Inter. If I had any say in the matter I would let him sweat till the last day of the window. Invidia
  • Score: 11

12:06am Fri 25 Jul 14

Saint1972 says...

Invidia wrote:
The Italian press are saying that Osvaldo has agreed personal terms with Inter. If I had any say in the matter I would let him sweat till the last day of the window.
Inter milan want Osvaldo ? They didnt want Pelle . In fact no one wanted him except RK .
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: The Italian press are saying that Osvaldo has agreed personal terms with Inter. If I had any say in the matter I would let him sweat till the last day of the window.[/p][/quote]Inter milan want Osvaldo ? They didnt want Pelle . In fact no one wanted him except RK . Saint1972
  • Score: 7

12:10am Fri 25 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

However disappointing the circumstances concerning Lallana's exit were to me, I think in terms of cold cash Saints got a good deal. It's done and dusted, so now we move on and use whatever money we made to get someone equal, if not better to replace him. From the looks of things Tadic holds some promise. surely even half of what we sold Lallana for would get us a player of equal value.
However disappointing the circumstances concerning Lallana's exit were to me, I think in terms of cold cash Saints got a good deal. It's done and dusted, so now we move on and use whatever money we made to get someone equal, if not better to replace him. From the looks of things Tadic holds some promise. surely even half of what we sold Lallana for would get us a player of equal value. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 3

12:11am Fri 25 Jul 14

Saint1972 says...

Invidia wrote:
As I have said before Seed there is something not right at St Mary's. when NC was at the helm Les Reed was his right hand man, when NC left Les Reed took over as interim chairman he most definitely would have known the feeling of the players and MoPo, in fact most of the players were quoted as saying that MoPo should stay Les Reed at that time did nothing except state that he would talk to MoPo at the end of the season and to be fair so did MoPo, it does not take a crystal ball to see why the players bailed out players are people and people like to know as far as can be determined where there future is, this whole shambles started way before the last game of the season now I am not privvy to what went on but with hindsight it emerged pretty well the way I have thought. The truth is undeniable the statements that LR and RK have made are untrue.
None of the top players or top managers wanted to stay once NC left . He was the only reason we attracted top players . Everyone knows this board has no interest in making Saints great . KL wants to make money . I wish she would bugger off.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: As I have said before Seed there is something not right at St Mary's. when NC was at the helm Les Reed was his right hand man, when NC left Les Reed took over as interim chairman he most definitely would have known the feeling of the players and MoPo, in fact most of the players were quoted as saying that MoPo should stay Les Reed at that time did nothing except state that he would talk to MoPo at the end of the season and to be fair so did MoPo, it does not take a crystal ball to see why the players bailed out players are people and people like to know as far as can be determined where there future is, this whole shambles started way before the last game of the season now I am not privvy to what went on but with hindsight it emerged pretty well the way I have thought. The truth is undeniable the statements that LR and RK have made are untrue.[/p][/quote]None of the top players or top managers wanted to stay once NC left . He was the only reason we attracted top players . Everyone knows this board has no interest in making Saints great . KL wants to make money . I wish she would bugger off. Saint1972
  • Score: 7

12:22am Fri 25 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

Invidia wrote:
I get a bit pis*ed off when people say that Koemen knows this and he knows that and he is an experienced manager who knows what he is doing it wasn't very long ago they were saying the same about David Moyes and where is that poor sod now, yes RK is trying but it looks like a lot of the academy players will make up the team this coming season the academy game was called off because so many are around the first team, they may look good if you compare with the Dutch league but it is a big step up to the PL, the other point that pis*es me off is when fans talk of understanding RL motives for joining Liverpool, let's face it who put RL where he is now certainly not Liverpool they snubbed him pretty much all his footballing days, he left like a rat up a drainpipe as much as I enjoyed watching RL and thought he would see his days out with us, he is as mercenary as the other hypocrites who walked out on us. now pick the bones out of that!
I agree with most of what you say, apart from aspects of RL's departure. Purely from a ethical point of view I agree that to play the end of his career out with us would have put the icing on the cake for our club, but given the departure of a few other key players at that time I feel that is what really contirbuted to leaving a bad taste in some fans mouths. At the end of the day I reckon we got Rickies best playing years and his contributions to the club were great in that time. If he wants to be a bench warmer at Liverpool for the last year or two of his career in order to fullfil his dream and get a good cash injection for him and his family, then personally I don't have a problem with that. In my opinion he deserves it.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: I get a bit pis*ed off when people say that Koemen knows this and he knows that and he is an experienced manager who knows what he is doing it wasn't very long ago they were saying the same about David Moyes and where is that poor sod now, yes RK is trying but it looks like a lot of the academy players will make up the team this coming season the academy game was called off because so many are around the first team, they may look good if you compare with the Dutch league but it is a big step up to the PL, the other point that pis*es me off is when fans talk of understanding RL motives for joining Liverpool, let's face it who put RL where he is now certainly not Liverpool they snubbed him pretty much all his footballing days, he left like a rat up a drainpipe as much as I enjoyed watching RL and thought he would see his days out with us, he is as mercenary as the other hypocrites who walked out on us. now pick the bones out of that![/p][/quote]I agree with most of what you say, apart from aspects of RL's departure. Purely from a ethical point of view I agree that to play the end of his career out with us would have put the icing on the cake for our club, but given the departure of a few other key players at that time I feel that is what really contirbuted to leaving a bad taste in some fans mouths. At the end of the day I reckon we got Rickies best playing years and his contributions to the club were great in that time. If he wants to be a bench warmer at Liverpool for the last year or two of his career in order to fullfil his dream and get a good cash injection for him and his family, then personally I don't have a problem with that. In my opinion he deserves it. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 6

12:49am Fri 25 Jul 14

Rupert Lowe's Backside says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
Its a business pure and simple - Ralph has 'prioritised' the USA visit over the launch of the season. And he has left poor Les in charge, nice bit of 'delegation', or as Ralph might call it, 'empowerment' of his staff!
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]Its a business pure and simple - Ralph has 'prioritised' the USA visit over the launch of the season. And he has left poor Les in charge, nice bit of 'delegation', or as Ralph might call it, 'empowerment' of his staff! Rupert Lowe's Backside
  • Score: 0

4:29am Fri 25 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Rupert Lowe's Backside wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
Its a business pure and simple - Ralph has 'prioritised' the USA visit over the launch of the season. And he has left poor Les in charge, nice bit of 'delegation', or as Ralph might call it, 'empowerment' of his staff!
And, do you have a problem with his priorities? It sounds like it, but I thought I should check.
[quote][p][bold]Rupert Lowe's Backside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]Its a business pure and simple - Ralph has 'prioritised' the USA visit over the launch of the season. And he has left poor Les in charge, nice bit of 'delegation', or as Ralph might call it, 'empowerment' of his staff![/p][/quote]And, do you have a problem with his priorities? It sounds like it, but I thought I should check. Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

5:22am Fri 25 Jul 14

Tirau Dan says...

Nicola's 5 year plan ended with SFC sitting in a fantastic 8th place; done with a high English, high graduate content.. Brilliant. The downside was the tattered reputation of an uncaring hard to deal with utilitarian leadership, unpaid transfer fees and debt. The owner stepped in; reinstated a democratic board with top financial and sport leaders. The scouting and football side of the board was unchanged under Les Reed who found the likes of MoPo and Lovren etc and found us Ronald Koeman.

Ralph Krueger is a known winner who works quietly behind the scenes and lets people get on with their jobs. I'm sure he's very much in touch with all and has his finger on the pulse.

Last season we saw brilliant possession football, some clinical defensive efforts and some wonderful victories but also saw some errors, and some games slip away for lack of finding the net in 70% possession games. We didn't get to Europe .. overall we were very happy and I know Slugger (a regular poster here) said we were "a Suarez away from Europe"..

Phase 2: Onward to Europe and cementing a top ten placing? I hope so.. Two on board already: I suspect (hope) Pelle and Tadic will score more than Lambert and Lallana, Matty Targett waits in the wings to see if he will get the chance to fill Luke's boots, we have a healthy bank balance and a manager with an awesome reputation for achieving and bringing on players.

I am really excited.. I am not allowing the moaners and those who think they can run the club better spoil things. Skeptical as any when Les Reed came in, but he has done great and our academy is just brilliant.

This is the window silly season.. the time when silly people say silly things and get sucked in by the media. It's a time of change.. have a bit of trust and faith and wait and see how we go. It's all good innit?
I feel a great first up victory in the air over Liverpool. COYR
Nicola's 5 year plan ended with SFC sitting in a fantastic 8th place; done with a high English, high graduate content.. Brilliant. The downside was the tattered reputation of an uncaring hard to deal with utilitarian leadership, unpaid transfer fees and debt. The owner stepped in; reinstated a democratic board with top financial and sport leaders. The scouting and football side of the board was unchanged under Les Reed who found the likes of MoPo and Lovren etc and found us Ronald Koeman. Ralph Krueger is a known winner who works quietly behind the scenes and lets people get on with their jobs. I'm sure he's very much in touch with all and has his finger on the pulse. Last season we saw brilliant possession football, some clinical defensive efforts and some wonderful victories but also saw some errors, and some games slip away for lack of finding the net in 70% possession games. We didn't get to Europe .. overall we were very happy and I know Slugger (a regular poster here) said we were "a Suarez away from Europe".. Phase 2: Onward to Europe and cementing a top ten placing? I hope so.. Two on board already: I suspect (hope) Pelle and Tadic will score more than Lambert and Lallana, Matty Targett waits in the wings to see if he will get the chance to fill Luke's boots, we have a healthy bank balance and a manager with an awesome reputation for achieving and bringing on players. I am really excited.. I am not allowing the moaners and those who think they can run the club better spoil things. Skeptical as any when Les Reed came in, but he has done great and our academy is just brilliant. This is the window silly season.. the time when silly people say silly things and get sucked in by the media. It's a time of change.. have a bit of trust and faith and wait and see how we go. It's all good innit? I feel a great first up victory in the air over Liverpool. COYR Tirau Dan
  • Score: -1

6:02am Fri 25 Jul 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

I hope I can naively ask: Is it fact or negative opinion to question that the CL, while giving teams something else to aim for, has far too disproportionate coffers and wages for the players and the teams who regularly qualify for the champions league, versus the teams who don't in the modern game? And if it is fact, then how do the 'lesser' teams have a hope of sustainably generating the kind of money to qualify, therefore having consistent chances of a top 4 placing in the PL? The answer may also cater for players who take the stance of leaving a club which they say has no ambition, to one that automatically has qualification. The hard answer is that it would take years to build up that kind of cred, unless you are a club which can still function under some ridiculous sums of debt. My feeling is that these people want what they can get for themselves right now, and are not content to put in and risk not being able to reap the benefits of long term success. Otherwise playing in a World Cup might have been enough for them.
I hope I can naively ask: Is it fact or negative opinion to question that the CL, while giving teams something else to aim for, has far too disproportionate coffers and wages for the players and the teams who regularly qualify for the champions league, versus the teams who don't in the modern game? And if it is fact, then how do the 'lesser' teams have a hope of sustainably generating the kind of money to qualify, therefore having consistent chances of a top 4 placing in the PL? The answer may also cater for players who take the stance of leaving a club which they say has no ambition, to one that automatically has qualification. The hard answer is that it would take years to build up that kind of cred, unless you are a club which can still function under some ridiculous sums of debt. My feeling is that these people want what they can get for themselves right now, and are not content to put in and risk not being able to reap the benefits of long term success. Otherwise playing in a World Cup might have been enough for them. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 4

7:00am Fri 25 Jul 14

Chipster says...

Tirau Dan wrote:
Nicola's 5 year plan ended with SFC sitting in a fantastic 8th place; done with a high English, high graduate content.. Brilliant. The downside was the tattered reputation of an uncaring hard to deal with utilitarian leadership, unpaid transfer fees and debt. The owner stepped in; reinstated a democratic board with top financial and sport leaders. The scouting and football side of the board was unchanged under Les Reed who found the likes of MoPo and Lovren etc and found us Ronald Koeman.

Ralph Krueger is a known winner who works quietly behind the scenes and lets people get on with their jobs. I'm sure he's very much in touch with all and has his finger on the pulse.

Last season we saw brilliant possession football, some clinical defensive efforts and some wonderful victories but also saw some errors, and some games slip away for lack of finding the net in 70% possession games. We didn't get to Europe .. overall we were very happy and I know Slugger (a regular poster here) said we were "a Suarez away from Europe"..

Phase 2: Onward to Europe and cementing a top ten placing? I hope so.. Two on board already: I suspect (hope) Pelle and Tadic will score more than Lambert and Lallana, Matty Targett waits in the wings to see if he will get the chance to fill Luke's boots, we have a healthy bank balance and a manager with an awesome reputation for achieving and bringing on players.

I am really excited.. I am not allowing the moaners and those who think they can run the club better spoil things. Skeptical as any when Les Reed came in, but he has done great and our academy is just brilliant.

This is the window silly season.. the time when silly people say silly things and get sucked in by the media. It's a time of change.. have a bit of trust and faith and wait and see how we go. It's all good innit?
I feel a great first up victory in the air over Liverpool. COYR
Well said and some valid points made!
[quote][p][bold]Tirau Dan[/bold] wrote: Nicola's 5 year plan ended with SFC sitting in a fantastic 8th place; done with a high English, high graduate content.. Brilliant. The downside was the tattered reputation of an uncaring hard to deal with utilitarian leadership, unpaid transfer fees and debt. The owner stepped in; reinstated a democratic board with top financial and sport leaders. The scouting and football side of the board was unchanged under Les Reed who found the likes of MoPo and Lovren etc and found us Ronald Koeman. Ralph Krueger is a known winner who works quietly behind the scenes and lets people get on with their jobs. I'm sure he's very much in touch with all and has his finger on the pulse. Last season we saw brilliant possession football, some clinical defensive efforts and some wonderful victories but also saw some errors, and some games slip away for lack of finding the net in 70% possession games. We didn't get to Europe .. overall we were very happy and I know Slugger (a regular poster here) said we were "a Suarez away from Europe".. Phase 2: Onward to Europe and cementing a top ten placing? I hope so.. Two on board already: I suspect (hope) Pelle and Tadic will score more than Lambert and Lallana, Matty Targett waits in the wings to see if he will get the chance to fill Luke's boots, we have a healthy bank balance and a manager with an awesome reputation for achieving and bringing on players. I am really excited.. I am not allowing the moaners and those who think they can run the club better spoil things. Skeptical as any when Les Reed came in, but he has done great and our academy is just brilliant. This is the window silly season.. the time when silly people say silly things and get sucked in by the media. It's a time of change.. have a bit of trust and faith and wait and see how we go. It's all good innit? I feel a great first up victory in the air over Liverpool. COYR[/p][/quote]Well said and some valid points made! Chipster
  • Score: 0

8:52am Fri 25 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

Can I have the last word on this ....pleeease?
Many people know the price of everything but the value of nothing.
AL was a big fee for £iverpoo£ ...but he left a bigger gap in our team than the one he needs to fill. He alone will likely cost more to replace. Clubs like that do not always expect to get a full return on transfer fees, but his wages will probably still be less than others.
He may well regret this move, but can always count the money.
The same will apply to the other mercenary mutineers all of whom were integral to 'our team'. The difference is we've seen it before they have, alas, we will never know what might have been. But we WILL all be keeping an interested eye on their career trajectories, like it or not.

If you took Rickie £ambert's move in isolation, that would be OK, but given the continued negotiation with the same club, (they're not the only club with someone else's money to spend surely?) which has become unique and borderline incest, you have to be suspicious.
SOUTHAMPTON FC need to allay these fears and suspicions with words actions and signings -and not just from the Manager. We will not be fobbed off with overpriced charm offensives- ie 'own brand' Shirts and Prizes.
We are watching, we're not just 'signings' we're Saints Forever.
Can I have the last word on this ....pleeease? Many people know the price of everything but the value of nothing. AL was a big fee for £iverpoo£ ...but he left a bigger gap in our team than the one he needs to fill. He alone will likely cost more to replace. Clubs like that do not always expect to get a full return on transfer fees, but his wages will probably still be less than others. He may well regret this move, but can always count the money. The same will apply to the other mercenary mutineers all of whom were integral to 'our team'. The difference is we've seen it before they have, alas, we will never know what might have been. But we WILL all be keeping an interested eye on their career trajectories, like it or not. If you took Rickie £ambert's move in isolation, that would be OK, but given the continued negotiation with the same club, (they're not the only club with someone else's money to spend surely?) which has become unique and borderline incest, you have to be suspicious. SOUTHAMPTON FC need to allay these fears and suspicions with words actions and signings -and not just from the Manager. We will not be fobbed off with overpriced charm offensives- ie 'own brand' Shirts and Prizes. We are watching, we're not just 'signings' we're Saints Forever. lowe esteem
  • Score: 4

8:53am Fri 25 Jul 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

Reading through the post's on here, it seems to me that you get a minus if you back the Club, Management team and the direction the we are heading, or a plus if you think there is some massive conspiracy and cover up at St.Marys, KL wants all of her money back cos she's broke and has no interest in football and Ralph is just a figment of our imagination who has no experience in Sports management.
COYS
Reading through the post's on here, it seems to me that you get a minus if you back the Club, Management team and the direction the we are heading, or a plus if you think there is some massive conspiracy and cover up at St.Marys, KL wants all of her money back cos she's broke and has no interest in football and Ralph is just a figment of our imagination who has no experience in Sports management. COYS SaintAsh1964
  • Score: -2

8:56am Fri 25 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I hope I can naively ask: Is it fact or negative opinion to question that the CL, while giving teams something else to aim for, has far too disproportionate coffers and wages for the players and the teams who regularly qualify for the champions league, versus the teams who don't in the modern game? And if it is fact, then how do the 'lesser' teams have a hope of sustainably generating the kind of money to qualify, therefore having consistent chances of a top 4 placing in the PL? The answer may also cater for players who take the stance of leaving a club which they say has no ambition, to one that automatically has qualification. The hard answer is that it would take years to build up that kind of cred, unless you are a club which can still function under some ridiculous sums of debt. My feeling is that these people want what they can get for themselves right now, and are not content to put in and risk not being able to reap the benefits of long term success. Otherwise playing in a World Cup might have been enough for them.
Excellent post 100% agree.
Many blame the premiere league and sky for ruining English football, but things weren't much different until UEFA decided to have the champions league, where teams that haven't won anything for years can be called champions, instead of the much better European cup, where its was just league champions playing. The reason was purely financial UEFA have made a fortune selling the TV rights yet wont even consider goal line technology as a good idea!
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I hope I can naively ask: Is it fact or negative opinion to question that the CL, while giving teams something else to aim for, has far too disproportionate coffers and wages for the players and the teams who regularly qualify for the champions league, versus the teams who don't in the modern game? And if it is fact, then how do the 'lesser' teams have a hope of sustainably generating the kind of money to qualify, therefore having consistent chances of a top 4 placing in the PL? The answer may also cater for players who take the stance of leaving a club which they say has no ambition, to one that automatically has qualification. The hard answer is that it would take years to build up that kind of cred, unless you are a club which can still function under some ridiculous sums of debt. My feeling is that these people want what they can get for themselves right now, and are not content to put in and risk not being able to reap the benefits of long term success. Otherwise playing in a World Cup might have been enough for them.[/p][/quote]Excellent post 100% agree. Many blame the premiere league and sky for ruining English football, but things weren't much different until UEFA decided to have the champions league, where teams that haven't won anything for years can be called champions, instead of the much better European cup, where its was just league champions playing. The reason was purely financial UEFA have made a fortune selling the TV rights yet wont even consider goal line technology as a good idea! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -4

9:28am Fri 25 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Rupert Lowe's Backside wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
Its a business pure and simple - Ralph has 'prioritised' the USA visit over the launch of the season. And he has left poor Les in charge, nice bit of 'delegation', or as Ralph might call it, 'empowerment' of his staff!
I just think you are confused about who is responsible for what. Ralph has overall control of the business, and is responsible to Kat, Les Reed is in charge of recruitment and is ultimately responsible to Ralph, it is no longer the autocracy that was Cortese. RonKo is in charge of players and is responsible to Les Reed, in the long run it is the Board that makes the final decision, no wonder it is taking so long!
[quote][p][bold]Rupert Lowe's Backside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]Its a business pure and simple - Ralph has 'prioritised' the USA visit over the launch of the season. And he has left poor Les in charge, nice bit of 'delegation', or as Ralph might call it, 'empowerment' of his staff![/p][/quote]I just think you are confused about who is responsible for what. Ralph has overall control of the business, and is responsible to Kat, Les Reed is in charge of recruitment and is ultimately responsible to Ralph, it is no longer the autocracy that was Cortese. RonKo is in charge of players and is responsible to Les Reed, in the long run it is the Board that makes the final decision, no wonder it is taking so long! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -6

9:31am Fri 25 Jul 14

george chivers says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I hope I can naively ask: Is it fact or negative opinion to question that the CL, while giving teams something else to aim for, has far too disproportionate coffers and wages for the players and the teams who regularly qualify for the champions league, versus the teams who don't in the modern game? And if it is fact, then how do the 'lesser' teams have a hope of sustainably generating the kind of money to qualify, therefore having consistent chances of a top 4 placing in the PL? The answer may also cater for players who take the stance of leaving a club which they say has no ambition, to one that automatically has qualification. The hard answer is that it would take years to build up that kind of cred, unless you are a club which can still function under some ridiculous sums of debt. My feeling is that these people want what they can get for themselves right now, and are not content to put in and risk not being able to reap the benefits of long term success. Otherwise playing in a World Cup might have been enough for them.
Excellent post 100% agree.
Many blame the premiere league and sky for ruining English football, but things weren't much different until UEFA decided to have the champions league, where teams that haven't won anything for years can be called champions, instead of the much better European cup, where its was just league champions playing. The reason was purely financial UEFA have made a fortune selling the TV rights yet wont even consider goal line technology as a good idea!
The system of allowing non champions to play in the champions league ensures, more or less the same big city clubs qualify throughout Europe each year, which in turn, because of world wide TV broadcasts nets those clubs international fans who buy shirts and other branded goods from international club outlets.

A self-perpetuating, informal, back scratching, cartel which can only be penetrated by massive investment into a team by very rich men. e.g Man City. A rich man's club that we are very unlikely to join unless there is an all change in the structure of world economies. Or a very rich middle eastern/far eastern person/people fall in love with us and buy us.

The odds, however, are against us because we are a boutique football club not a chain store football club.

STID
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I hope I can naively ask: Is it fact or negative opinion to question that the CL, while giving teams something else to aim for, has far too disproportionate coffers and wages for the players and the teams who regularly qualify for the champions league, versus the teams who don't in the modern game? And if it is fact, then how do the 'lesser' teams have a hope of sustainably generating the kind of money to qualify, therefore having consistent chances of a top 4 placing in the PL? The answer may also cater for players who take the stance of leaving a club which they say has no ambition, to one that automatically has qualification. The hard answer is that it would take years to build up that kind of cred, unless you are a club which can still function under some ridiculous sums of debt. My feeling is that these people want what they can get for themselves right now, and are not content to put in and risk not being able to reap the benefits of long term success. Otherwise playing in a World Cup might have been enough for them.[/p][/quote]Excellent post 100% agree. Many blame the premiere league and sky for ruining English football, but things weren't much different until UEFA decided to have the champions league, where teams that haven't won anything for years can be called champions, instead of the much better European cup, where its was just league champions playing. The reason was purely financial UEFA have made a fortune selling the TV rights yet wont even consider goal line technology as a good idea![/p][/quote]The system of allowing non champions to play in the champions league ensures, more or less the same big city clubs qualify throughout Europe each year, which in turn, because of world wide TV broadcasts nets those clubs international fans who buy shirts and other branded goods from international club outlets. A self-perpetuating, informal, back scratching, cartel which can only be penetrated by massive investment into a team by very rich men. e.g Man City. A rich man's club that we are very unlikely to join unless there is an all change in the structure of world economies. Or a very rich middle eastern/far eastern person/people fall in love with us and buy us. The odds, however, are against us because we are a boutique football club not a chain store football club. STID george chivers
  • Score: 11

9:35am Fri 25 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
Reading through the post's on here, it seems to me that you get a minus if you back the Club, Management team and the direction the we are heading, or a plus if you think there is some massive conspiracy and cover up at St.Marys, KL wants all of her money back cos she's broke and has no interest in football and Ralph is just a figment of our imagination who has no experience in Sports management.
COYS
If it is thumbs down that you are after, just say I agree with OSPREYSAINT and see what happens!
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: Reading through the post's on here, it seems to me that you get a minus if you back the Club, Management team and the direction the we are heading, or a plus if you think there is some massive conspiracy and cover up at St.Marys, KL wants all of her money back cos she's broke and has no interest in football and Ralph is just a figment of our imagination who has no experience in Sports management. COYS[/p][/quote]If it is thumbs down that you are after, just say I agree with OSPREYSAINT and see what happens! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

9:38am Fri 25 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saint1972 wrote:
Invidia wrote:
As I have said before Seed there is something not right at St Mary's. when NC was at the helm Les Reed was his right hand man, when NC left Les Reed took over as interim chairman he most definitely would have known the feeling of the players and MoPo, in fact most of the players were quoted as saying that MoPo should stay Les Reed at that time did nothing except state that he would talk to MoPo at the end of the season and to be fair so did MoPo, it does not take a crystal ball to see why the players bailed out players are people and people like to know as far as can be determined where there future is, this whole shambles started way before the last game of the season now I am not privvy to what went on but with hindsight it emerged pretty well the way I have thought. The truth is undeniable the statements that LR and RK have made are untrue.
None of the top players or top managers wanted to stay once NC left . He was the only reason we attracted top players . Everyone knows this board has no interest in making Saints great . KL wants to make money . I wish she would bugger off.
Wrong, but you know that already.
[quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: As I have said before Seed there is something not right at St Mary's. when NC was at the helm Les Reed was his right hand man, when NC left Les Reed took over as interim chairman he most definitely would have known the feeling of the players and MoPo, in fact most of the players were quoted as saying that MoPo should stay Les Reed at that time did nothing except state that he would talk to MoPo at the end of the season and to be fair so did MoPo, it does not take a crystal ball to see why the players bailed out players are people and people like to know as far as can be determined where there future is, this whole shambles started way before the last game of the season now I am not privvy to what went on but with hindsight it emerged pretty well the way I have thought. The truth is undeniable the statements that LR and RK have made are untrue.[/p][/quote]None of the top players or top managers wanted to stay once NC left . He was the only reason we attracted top players . Everyone knows this board has no interest in making Saints great . KL wants to make money . I wish she would bugger off.[/p][/quote]Wrong, but you know that already. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -8

9:48am Fri 25 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saint1972 wrote:
Invidia wrote:
As I have said before Seed there is something not right at St Mary's. when NC was at the helm Les Reed was his right hand man, when NC left Les Reed took over as interim chairman he most definitely would have known the feeling of the players and MoPo, in fact most of the players were quoted as saying that MoPo should stay Les Reed at that time did nothing except state that he would talk to MoPo at the end of the season and to be fair so did MoPo, it does not take a crystal ball to see why the players bailed out players are people and people like to know as far as can be determined where there future is, this whole shambles started way before the last game of the season now I am not privvy to what went on but with hindsight it emerged pretty well the way I have thought. The truth is undeniable the statements that LR and RK have made are untrue.
None of the top players or top managers wanted to stay once NC left . He was the only reason we attracted top players . Everyone knows this board has no interest in making Saints great . KL wants to make money . I wish she would bugger off.
Wrong, but you know that already.
See what I mean? Instant thumbs downs just for defending Kat. Not so much wrong with the Club, as with certain "fans" that post on this site in my opinion, fans in inverted commas please note.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: As I have said before Seed there is something not right at St Mary's. when NC was at the helm Les Reed was his right hand man, when NC left Les Reed took over as interim chairman he most definitely would have known the feeling of the players and MoPo, in fact most of the players were quoted as saying that MoPo should stay Les Reed at that time did nothing except state that he would talk to MoPo at the end of the season and to be fair so did MoPo, it does not take a crystal ball to see why the players bailed out players are people and people like to know as far as can be determined where there future is, this whole shambles started way before the last game of the season now I am not privvy to what went on but with hindsight it emerged pretty well the way I have thought. The truth is undeniable the statements that LR and RK have made are untrue.[/p][/quote]None of the top players or top managers wanted to stay once NC left . He was the only reason we attracted top players . Everyone knows this board has no interest in making Saints great . KL wants to make money . I wish she would bugger off.[/p][/quote]Wrong, but you know that already.[/p][/quote]See what I mean? Instant thumbs downs just for defending Kat. Not so much wrong with the Club, as with certain "fans" that post on this site in my opinion, fans in inverted commas please note. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

9:54am Fri 25 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Let me try an experiment as there isn't a lot to talk about.

Press Thumbs Up if you think OSPREYSAINT is an idiot.
Press thumbs down if you think OSPREYSAINT is OK.
Abstain if don't care.
Let me try an experiment as there isn't a lot to talk about. Press Thumbs Up if you think OSPREYSAINT is an idiot. Press thumbs down if you think OSPREYSAINT is OK. Abstain if don't care. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 12

10:16am Fri 25 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

ospers, it also now depends on your login name. you me and others get instant thumbs down no matter what we say, I like it!

example above,
KiwiSaint74 writes a post about how the champs league is responsible for a lot of bad things. get a plus score
I respond and agree 100% with what he said and add a little more and get instant negative score
george chivers, who I believe (and forgive me if I`m wrong) has been a bit negative in his posts, responds again agreeing with both myself and kiwisaint74 and gets a plus score of 10!

so we all agree with each other and people agree with George and kiwi but not me? no its nothing to do with what we post anymore the wums just see our names and click without reading! im actually flattered they are that bothered by what I say they have to do it!
as for saint1972, I wouldn't bother ospers, I responded to someone else post yesterday and out of the blue he launched a foul mouthed attack on me. I don't think ive even read any of his post efore let alone respond. I think hes just a lonely little boy who needs a big big hug!
ospers, it also now depends on your login name. you me and others get instant thumbs down no matter what we say, I like it! example above, KiwiSaint74 writes a post about how the champs league is responsible for a lot of bad things. get a plus score I respond and agree 100% with what he said and add a little more and get instant negative score george chivers, who I believe (and forgive me if I`m wrong) has been a bit negative in his posts, responds again agreeing with both myself and kiwisaint74 and gets a plus score of 10! so we all agree with each other and people agree with George and kiwi but not me? no its nothing to do with what we post anymore the wums just see our names and click without reading! im actually flattered they are that bothered by what I say they have to do it! as for saint1972, I wouldn't bother ospers, I responded to someone else post yesterday and out of the blue he launched a foul mouthed attack on me. I don't think ive even read any of his post efore let alone respond. I think hes just a lonely little boy who needs a big big hug! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -11

10:49am Fri 25 Jul 14

Beer Monster says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Let me try an experiment as there isn't a lot to talk about.

Press Thumbs Up if you think OSPREYSAINT is an idiot.
Press thumbs down if you think OSPREYSAINT is OK.
Abstain if don't care.
What we need on here is a count of both the thumbs up and thumbs down, rather than the net total. It would show us the true situation (i.e. idiotic WUMs fuckingitup)
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Let me try an experiment as there isn't a lot to talk about. Press Thumbs Up if you think OSPREYSAINT is an idiot. Press thumbs down if you think OSPREYSAINT is OK. Abstain if don't care.[/p][/quote]What we need on here is a count of both the thumbs up and thumbs down, rather than the net total. It would show us the true situation (i.e. idiotic WUMs fuckingitup) Beer Monster
  • Score: 0

10:52am Fri 25 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Dave Juson wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character







s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust






omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August.
On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac.
Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).
Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club
Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.
True Ms Numpty, but are we talking about a ”business plan”, a “strategy”, a “customer interface policy”, a “public relations exercise”, “pandering to the lowest common denominator” or castles in the air?
Buzz words don’t win you games of football.
Cortese had a “Five year plan” one of the most solid principles it enshrined was treating Saints’ fans with contempt. Fancy reviving that one?
Sorry so many deem it necessary to give Dave the thumbs down especially when there are those amongst us who think he's right.

I don't have the Seedhouse level of business experience but I am no stranger to a board meeting. We, the fans (consumers) do not need to have even an inkling of what Freddie and co's business plan is. Everyone on here would suddenly be a Peter Jones and I'd rather debate football on a football forum than decades worth of Americanese style, corporate Blx and BS, politically correct, psycho/business babble with acronyms aplenty and obfuscations in abundance, which could all change with the next owner/ceo or board meeting anyway. Time consuming smoke screen BS for most fans.

I sleep well at night knowing there are some very capable and experienced people running this club (if you doubt it ask for their qualifications and work experiences please - I'm sure they'll each be happy to inform you of their academical achievements as well as their real world ones. I also sleep well in no doubt they will have in place a constantly evolving business plan. I am also confident they are not, any time soon, going to divulge the contents of that plan to anyone other than those who need to know. The fans do not and never will, quite rightly, fall under that category. However if any of you feel you are the special exception to that rule, go ahead and make a request to discuss the business plan with the board - I'd buy tickets to watch it!

If as reported Freddie is in the states looking for suitable opportunities for then we can assume there is at least one item in the business plan and they are clearly attempting to explore that possibility.
Somebody in another post earlier said we all know that Kat is only interested in making money and wishes she would boooger off - to be replaced by an owner who does not want to make money? I expect making money features quite highly and frequently in any viable business plan. So I can state quite openly and in all confidence OSPREY that "Everybody" is not aware they have no intention of making Saints great. Almost all people who been involved in any way with business will try to re-assure you their only intention is to make Saints great because that is how they will improve their brand for future realization of the assets or to accumulate further assets under that brand the underlings will be sweating their hairy bits off as they will be wanting to protect their jobs. That's capitalism at work OSPREY and it makes your ill conceived assumptions look pretty weak mate. Why not take a deep breath and think the logicality of your posts through so you can avoid being considered a trifle silly. I might add I do not always practice what I preach which is why Peter Jones has never called for my advice.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Numpty Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.[/p][/quote]Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.[/p][/quote]I'd like just one, one effective one.[/p][/quote]I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.[/p][/quote]Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!” What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge? By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?[/p][/quote]Respect sir![/p][/quote]We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this. The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.[/p][/quote]Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong. Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality. A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure. And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff. Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you. You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club. Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder. COYR STID[/p][/quote]Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan with some objectives and goals being set with timescales. We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.[/p][/quote]Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August. On the other hand, let’s be really bold and have a Mao Zedong inspired “Great Leap Forward” or even a “thousand year Reich”, after all, if you want real leadership, you cannot beat a good old fashioned megalomaniac. Well, obviously you can beat them, but I mean, they inspire great loyalty (for reasons I have never figured out).[/p][/quote]Didn't Mao Zedong's great leap forward kill 45millon people in under 4 years? Not sure how many fans we can afford to lose - as we aren't a massive club[/p][/quote]Having a proper plan with a Mission Statement, Aims and Objectives is part of good business planning. There's no need to deride that by associating good business practice with political world dictatorships.[/p][/quote]True Ms Numpty, but are we talking about a ”business plan”, a “strategy”, a “customer interface policy”, a “public relations exercise”, “pandering to the lowest common denominator” or castles in the air? Buzz words don’t win you games of football. Cortese had a “Five year plan” one of the most solid principles it enshrined was treating Saints’ fans with contempt. Fancy reviving that one?[/p][/quote]Sorry so many deem it necessary to give Dave the thumbs down especially when there are those amongst us who think he's right. I don't have the Seedhouse level of business experience but I am no stranger to a board meeting. We, the fans (consumers) do not need to have even an inkling of what Freddie and co's business plan is. Everyone on here would suddenly be a Peter Jones and I'd rather debate football on a football forum than decades worth of Americanese style, corporate Blx and BS, politically correct, psycho/business babble with acronyms aplenty and obfuscations in abundance, which could all change with the next owner/ceo or board meeting anyway. Time consuming smoke screen BS for most fans. I sleep well at night knowing there are some very capable and experienced people running this club (if you doubt it ask for their qualifications and work experiences please - I'm sure they'll each be happy to inform you of their academical achievements as well as their real world ones. I also sleep well in no doubt they will have in place a constantly evolving business plan. I am also confident they are not, any time soon, going to divulge the contents of that plan to anyone other than those who need to know. The fans do not and never will, quite rightly, fall under that category. However if any of you feel you are the special exception to that rule, go ahead and make a request to discuss the business plan with the board - I'd buy tickets to watch it! If as reported Freddie is in the states looking for suitable opportunities for then we can assume there is at least one item in the business plan and they are clearly attempting to explore that possibility. Somebody in another post earlier said we all know that Kat is only interested in making money and wishes she would boooger off - to be replaced by an owner who does not want to make money? I expect making money features quite highly and frequently in any viable business plan. So I can state quite openly and in all confidence OSPREY that "Everybody" is not aware they have no intention of making Saints great. Almost all people who been involved in any way with business will try to re-assure you their only intention is to make Saints great because that is how they will improve their brand for future realization of the assets or to accumulate further assets under that brand the underlings will be sweating their hairy bits off as they will be wanting to protect their jobs. That's capitalism at work OSPREY and it makes your ill conceived assumptions look pretty weak mate. Why not take a deep breath and think the logicality of your posts through so you can avoid being considered a trifle silly. I might add I do not always practice what I preach which is why Peter Jones has never called for my advice. jls217
  • Score: -9

3:52pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Southern softy says...

Saint1972 wrote:
Invidia wrote:
As I have said before Seed there is something not right at St Mary's. when NC was at the helm Les Reed was his right hand man, when NC left Les Reed took over as interim chairman he most definitely would have known the feeling of the players and MoPo, in fact most of the players were quoted as saying that MoPo should stay Les Reed at that time did nothing except state that he would talk to MoPo at the end of the season and to be fair so did MoPo, it does not take a crystal ball to see why the players bailed out players are people and people like to know as far as can be determined where there future is, this whole shambles started way before the last game of the season now I am not privvy to what went on but with hindsight it emerged pretty well the way I have thought. The truth is undeniable the statements that LR and RK have made are untrue.
None of the top players or top managers wanted to stay once NC left . He was the only reason we attracted top players . Everyone knows this board has no interest in making Saints great . KL wants to make money . I wish she would bugger off.
KL and board have told us that it is a long term project and that will mean we live within our means. I for one do not want them splashing £12 million or more!!! on another Osvaldo. Come guys lets give RonKo a chance the future is bright and its Red & White (stripes)
[quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: As I have said before Seed there is something not right at St Mary's. when NC was at the helm Les Reed was his right hand man, when NC left Les Reed took over as interim chairman he most definitely would have known the feeling of the players and MoPo, in fact most of the players were quoted as saying that MoPo should stay Les Reed at that time did nothing except state that he would talk to MoPo at the end of the season and to be fair so did MoPo, it does not take a crystal ball to see why the players bailed out players are people and people like to know as far as can be determined where there future is, this whole shambles started way before the last game of the season now I am not privvy to what went on but with hindsight it emerged pretty well the way I have thought. The truth is undeniable the statements that LR and RK have made are untrue.[/p][/quote]None of the top players or top managers wanted to stay once NC left . He was the only reason we attracted top players . Everyone knows this board has no interest in making Saints great . KL wants to make money . I wish she would bugger off.[/p][/quote]KL and board have told us that it is a long term project and that will mean we live within our means. I for one do not want them splashing £12 million or more!!! on another Osvaldo. Come guys lets give RonKo a chance the future is bright and its Red & White (stripes) Southern softy
  • Score: -3

3:57pm Fri 25 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

Southern softy wrote:
Saint1972 wrote:
Invidia wrote:
As I have said before Seed there is something not right at St Mary's. when NC was at the helm Les Reed was his right hand man, when NC left Les Reed took over as interim chairman he most definitely would have known the feeling of the players and MoPo, in fact most of the players were quoted as saying that MoPo should stay Les Reed at that time did nothing except state that he would talk to MoPo at the end of the season and to be fair so did MoPo, it does not take a crystal ball to see why the players bailed out players are people and people like to know as far as can be determined where there future is, this whole shambles started way before the last game of the season now I am not privvy to what went on but with hindsight it emerged pretty well the way I have thought. The truth is undeniable the statements that LR and RK have made are untrue.
None of the top players or top managers wanted to stay once NC left . He was the only reason we attracted top players . Everyone knows this board has no interest in making Saints great . KL wants to make money . I wish she would bugger off.
KL and board have told us that it is a long term project and that will mean we live within our means. I for one do not want them splashing £12 million or more!!! on another Osvaldo. Come guys lets give RonKo a chance the future is bright and its Red & White (stripes)
Oooooooo ..."KL and the board told us " ??? It must be true so , not like a board has ever tried to pull the wool over the eyes of extremely gullible fans before....
[quote][p][bold]Southern softy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: As I have said before Seed there is something not right at St Mary's. when NC was at the helm Les Reed was his right hand man, when NC left Les Reed took over as interim chairman he most definitely would have known the feeling of the players and MoPo, in fact most of the players were quoted as saying that MoPo should stay Les Reed at that time did nothing except state that he would talk to MoPo at the end of the season and to be fair so did MoPo, it does not take a crystal ball to see why the players bailed out players are people and people like to know as far as can be determined where there future is, this whole shambles started way before the last game of the season now I am not privvy to what went on but with hindsight it emerged pretty well the way I have thought. The truth is undeniable the statements that LR and RK have made are untrue.[/p][/quote]None of the top players or top managers wanted to stay once NC left . He was the only reason we attracted top players . Everyone knows this board has no interest in making Saints great . KL wants to make money . I wish she would bugger off.[/p][/quote]KL and board have told us that it is a long term project and that will mean we live within our means. I for one do not want them splashing £12 million or more!!! on another Osvaldo. Come guys lets give RonKo a chance the future is bright and its Red & White (stripes)[/p][/quote]Oooooooo ..."KL and the board told us " ??? It must be true so , not like a board has ever tried to pull the wool over the eyes of extremely gullible fans before.... jasons odd
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5:05pm Fri 25 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Beer Monster wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Let me try an experiment as there isn't a lot to talk about.

Press Thumbs Up if you think OSPREYSAINT is an idiot.
Press thumbs down if you think OSPREYSAINT is OK.
Abstain if don't care.
What we need on here is a count of both the thumbs up and thumbs down, rather than the net total. It would show us the true situation (i.e. idiotic WUMs fuckingitup)
Don't knock it, I found a way to get the numpty negs to give me a thumbs up, a bit disappointed though, was hoping for double figures.
[quote][p][bold]Beer Monster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Let me try an experiment as there isn't a lot to talk about. Press Thumbs Up if you think OSPREYSAINT is an idiot. Press thumbs down if you think OSPREYSAINT is OK. Abstain if don't care.[/p][/quote]What we need on here is a count of both the thumbs up and thumbs down, rather than the net total. It would show us the true situation (i.e. idiotic WUMs fuckingitup)[/p][/quote]Don't knock it, I found a way to get the numpty negs to give me a thumbs up, a bit disappointed though, was hoping for double figures. OSPREYSAINT
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5:11pm Fri 25 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Numpty Girl wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I read somewhere that Ralph is in the states seeking to set up links for the academy. Now I agree that is definitely a good thing and shows sensible long term planning. However, whilst the club is under the strongest, most devastating and sustained attack any of us have ever seen I would question the timing? Surely a leader should be here and visual if not to us then in support of his board members, particularly Les.
Damned if does, damned if he doesn't. Maybe we should have two chairman.
I'd like just one, one effective one.
I'm not completely convinced by him but it doesn't make sense to me to find fault with everything he does.
Seed, you feel that Ralph Krueger might be better employed running around in circles screaming “Oh my! Oh My! We are all going to die!”
What would be the point of pandering to your paranoia when there are so many on this website prepared to perform the same function free of charge?
By the way Seed, you have no idea what Mr Krueger is doing, whereabouts he is doing it or why, so how come you feel qualified to criticise?
Respect sir!
We are not literally at war but we are in a bit of a mess following the sales and slowness on the procurement front so close to the start of the new season. Our Board seems to be all too regularly conspicuous by its absence in all of this.
The Board seems to lack strong leadership/character








s - I would suggest that this lack of leadership has helped us to lose some of our players and unsettle other players - it may be largely about money but it's also about how the playing staff is led and managed and how the club is perceived. The Board has not been selling a dream, publically, and that's all we have to go on. The Board could do much better pr-wise imo.
Very good post. It has my full support. I was one of the people who predicted in January we would lose up to 6 players at the end of the season and was told I was being negative. Sadly that is gradually happening. I desperately wanted to be wrong.

Seed rants a bit and probably thinks he could rule the world and exploits double standards when he writes on these threads and occasionally exhibits the symptoms of short term paranoia. But at least three things are absolutely right about him. He is 100% passionate for Southampton FC and metaphorically the club is fighting a war and he has an astute, if sometimes emotional mentality.

A war of attrition is raging as our best players continue to leave the club. The good thing is they are leaving for premium prices, but there is nothing else good about it. We aren't backfilling them with equivalent players, we are buying cheaper unproven PL potential, who may prove to be good investments or bad investments. But they are not proven replacements that's for sure.

And picking up on your point about our board, as a fan I feel the club is leaderless, without goals and objectives. They may well have them, but why don't they share them with the supporters/fans/cust







omers? I find that insulting and potentially devious. If we don't know what road we are on, then any road will get us there, including the road to nowhere. At this point before a new season we should be focussed on what the club is trying to achieve next season. We aren't, we are playing blind man's bluff.

Personally I am fed up wandering about in the dark. I want some leadership and direction, short term and medium term. The next 2 to 5 years KL please, if that's not too much trouble for you.

You have a direct line responsibility to the emotional shareholders of this great club.

Not just to yourself the only financial shareholder.

COYR STID
Great post - Board please take note - we want a proper transparent plan
with some objectives and goals being set with timescales.
We want leadership. So far, and, only when pushed on the matter, all we have had is a vague aim of "Euro" football made by Krüger with no timescale or plan. His leadership, by deed, and word, is simply not good enough to date.
Are you demanding a one year plan? A two year plan? Or another five year plan? Or how about a ten year plan? Or even a twenty year plan? Because they are bound to be discounted towards the end of August.
On the other hand, let’s be really bold and hav