Ronald Koeman to speak about his Saints revolution

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FINALLY, almost a month since he was appointed, Ronald Koeman will today get to speak at length about his Saints revolution.

Announced as the replacement for Mauricio Pochettino on June 16 – the club’s 14th manager in 15 completed Premier League seasons – the Dutch legend this afternoon meets non-club media for the first time.

Generally, the Southern Daily Echo would not preview a press conference.

This is different, though.

It so often is at Saints.

The have endured a miserable few months with regards to public relations.

Both chairman Ralph Krueger and director Les Reed have made statements that were quickly used to beat them with when their words were exposed as hollow ones.

Club officials only have one weapon now in a bid to start turning the tide and improving fans’ goodwill towards them.

It is a good weapon, though.

Ronald Koeman.

A fanbase desperately in need of good news after seeing the club’s best ever Premier League team ripped apart by big-spending vultures are putting their faith in Koeman.

They have no option but to.

Fans have complained that Saints’ new board has not backed up their intial talk of increased transparency with more public comments.

But, when Krueger and Reed have spoken, all too often their words have rebounded painfully on them.

Back in April, Reed was keen to banish “a lot of misinformation” about Mauricio Pochettino’s contract talks and continuing speculation linking him to Tottenham.

“The first point I’d like to make is that, with regards to Mauricio Pochettino’s contract negotiations, both Mauricio and myself ... are very happy with the way we are approaching it at the moment,” he said.

“Let’s clear it up because he (Pochettino) gets asked the same question every week. We talk every day. We are talking about everything to do with the future – planning, pre-season planning, the transfer strategy.”

Those words didn’t clear anything up, and within weeks Pochettino had quit.

To join Tottenham.

So much for the “misinformation” Reed spoke of.

You got the impression at the time that Pochettino was stringing Saints along, and the events of late May did nothing to shatter that unsavoury illusion.

There was more.

“We want to retain the players we’ve got,” Reed said with regards to ‘speculation’ linking Luke Shaw and Adam Lallana with big money moves.

“They are all contracted. They all have existing contracts and we intend for them to honour those contracts. Any enquiries we get will probably be met with a ‘no – not for sale’.

“Our intention is to keep this very good team together and build on it by bringing new players to improve on that.”

Oops!

Those contracts were NOT honoured. Enquiries were NOT met with a ‘no - not for sale’ reply.

Saints’ “very good team” has NOT been kept together.

Speaking in late April, Reed also said: “Our fans deserve to understand that there is not going to be a fire-sale here. We have repeatedly said that.

“Deals are not about to be concluded for any of our players and we want to keep all of our best players here at this club.”

While there has not been a ‘fire sale’ in so far as Saints do not need to sell for financial reasons, supporters can only see three star names from last season have left and two more – Lovren, Schneiderlin – could yet follow them.

Chairman Krueger has always come across as an enthusiastic character when speaking to the press.

He was happy to give a long interview to the Echo’s Adam Leitch the day after Pochettino’s departure, when some chairman might have hid behind a locked door.

“Any transfers that take place will be under our terms,” he told this newspaper.

“We will decide the terms to potential transfers in and out of the club. We will involve the manager. That is important for everybody to know. That’s why we have been able to not agree to any transfers to date, because we have control of the situation, and anybody who is saying anything else doesn’t understand that we are in a strong position.”

When asked by Adam Leitch ‘do you need to sell anybody?”, Krueger replied: “We do not need to.”

Within days of those words tumbling out of his mouth, Lambert had been sold to Liverpool.

The transfer that left Saints fans in a state of shock was dressed up as ‘we couldn’t turn down Rickie’s dream move’.

Why not? He is a footballer who was incredibly well paid by his club. He was under contract.

Was he ever told to “honour” his contract, as Reed had stated?

Letting Lambert leave before a new manager had been appointed – coming so soon after Kruger’s comments to the contrary – was a huge PR gaffe.

It also opened the door for other players to leave, probably citing their own ‘dream’ moves.

That no doubt led to the likes of Shaw and Lallana seeming to leave with undue haste as soon as England’s World Cup dream had died a miserable death.

They couldn’t even be bothered to meet Koeman before departing.

Now we have the ridiculous situation with Lovren, whose head is at Anfield – according to the player himself – but whose body is still very much under contract at St Mary’s.

Will Saints tell him to “honour” his contract?

Against that backdrop of ‘foot in mouth’ comments, Ronald Koeman was appointed.

At the time, it was the best peice of news Saints fans had received since the 2013/14 season ended on May 11.

It was really the only good bit of news, apart from perhaps three of the club’s players being selected in Roy Hodgson’s World Cup squad.

Three players who could not wish to leave Saints.

Given that today is July 11, you could argue there have only been two good bits in as many months. They are Koeman’s arrival and this week’s near £11m signing of Dusan Tadic, the first peice of Koeman’s potentially large rebuilding jigsaw.

Krueger was keen to emphasise as many positives as possible when he spoke following Pochettino’s switch to White Hart Lane.

“There are some things that aren’t really sexy for the fans but are really important for the health and stability of the club,” he said.

“We have an outstanding new chief commercial officer in Martin Semmens, the owner and founder of Elvis Communications in London, who’s building our commercial department.

“We have Kate Terry, the new head of marketing, moving to us from Apple in London and a new chief financial officer coming.”

That was all well and good, but it wouldn’t have cut any ice with the fans.

It reminded me of Rupert Lowe’s comment in the matchday programme about a profitable radio station and Saints’ stadium catering on the day the club were relegated from the Premier League in 2005.

Fans are only really interested in the first team, and prior to Tadic’s arrival all they could see was a dismantling of their dream.

Supporters who are asked to pay over £20 a game are not fussed about new chief commercial officers.

Ronald Koeman is the only man who can put a smile back on their faces and allow them to dream again.

He has a tough job, no doubt about that.

I can’t think of many Premier League sides who could have lost so many regulars in such a short space of time.

Saints could lose five in one summer – the three who have gone plus Lovren and Schneiderlin.

Add to that the injured Jay Rodriguez, and goalkeeper Artur Boruc could well be dropped.

In all, that is seven players out of last season’s starting XI who might not be lining up at Anfield for the visitors when the curtain lifts on the 2014/15 campaign.

Dave Jones once fielded five debutants in Saints’ opening game of the 1998/99 season against Liverpool.

There could well be more against the same opposition in just over a month’s time.

Koeman, therefore, has more pressing matters on his plate than acting as Saints’ main PR figurehead in the weeks and months ahead.

But, like it or not, that is one of many roles he will have.

Battered into submission by the events of the last two months, some supporters have lost faith and trust in those that run their club. There are some who, mistakenly in my humble opinion, insist Saints have simply tossed aside the ambition they had during Nicola Cortese’s time in charge.

Koeman is a legend in his native Netherlands, and also feted in Catalonia for the part he played in Barcelona first conquering Europe in the early 1990s.

If he says all the right things to start with, and then (far more importantly) backs up his comments in the transfer market and on the field, then legendary status awaits him in Southampton too ...

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9:10am Fri 11 Jul 14

Rudolf Hucker says...

Come on DE...Roko has only just taken the reigns in a very unsettling period at Saints...With the exception of Lambo, all the others wanted out of SFC, and good riddance to them imo...Give the Guv some slack, let him get his players in and steady the ship.. This season it wouldn't bother me if we finished 17th in the prem, so long as we are in it next season...I am really excited about this coming season, and embrace the Roko revolution.
Come on DE...Roko has only just taken the reigns in a very unsettling period at Saints...With the exception of Lambo, all the others wanted out of SFC, and good riddance to them imo...Give the Guv some slack, let him get his players in and steady the ship.. This season it wouldn't bother me if we finished 17th in the prem, so long as we are in it next season...I am really excited about this coming season, and embrace the Roko revolution. Rudolf Hucker
  • Score: 70

9:30am Fri 11 Jul 14

Badger B says...

Give it a rest. I'm excited about the new season because I think I'm a supporter of a fantastically well run club with a bright future. It seems to me that we're going to be in a far better place at the start of this season than we were at the beginning of the last. The club has achieved fantastic prices for the players that have been sold so far. I'm happy for Ricky, good luck to Luke (30 mil for a teenager!) and despite the way he left, Adam was fantastic for us for many years. As for Lovren, if he wants to leave and he behaves like that, why keep him? Huge profit coming our way. Pochettino would have been found out this season and Koeman looks like a fantastic bet. Onwards and upwards. Enough of the negativity!!
Give it a rest. I'm excited about the new season because I think I'm a supporter of a fantastically well run club with a bright future. It seems to me that we're going to be in a far better place at the start of this season than we were at the beginning of the last. The club has achieved fantastic prices for the players that have been sold so far. I'm happy for Ricky, good luck to Luke (30 mil for a teenager!) and despite the way he left, Adam was fantastic for us for many years. As for Lovren, if he wants to leave and he behaves like that, why keep him? Huge profit coming our way. Pochettino would have been found out this season and Koeman looks like a fantastic bet. Onwards and upwards. Enough of the negativity!! Badger B
  • Score: 68

9:41am Fri 11 Jul 14

Ozmosis says...

It is a negative article but it does sum up how many fans have felt over the early summer, including myself. I hope now that the new manager will steady things and we can see Saints continue this season whjere we left off last
It is a negative article but it does sum up how many fans have felt over the early summer, including myself. I hope now that the new manager will steady things and we can see Saints continue this season whjere we left off last Ozmosis
  • Score: 27

9:48am Fri 11 Jul 14

Jonny7oma says...

Nice article Mr Carter, I agree with your sentiments that the club have made gaffe after gaffe and that it's the club at fault.... to a degree. They are at fault but not so much as the feeding frenzy that must have ensured after Poccettino went off. New chairman, 'new' owner, no manager.... The agents must have ordered new Sunseekers just at the thought of it.
I'm convinced that Lambert was just the bait to take Lallana and Lovren otherwise it just doesn't make any sense at all. And now they've both been found out, good bye.

It's Koemans gig now and I'm already wondering when he'll be off to Man U or ...... bloody spurs/Saintpool. That's how it is now. However, I'll look forward to what Koeman has to say because it will at least be in English... and very good English from what I've learned over the years from the Dutch.
If I may put a plea forward.... can Mr Koeman please persuade any or all of the Dutch national back three to sign but also.... Dirk Kuyt. He might be early 30's but as he showed in the world cup, he can play anywhere and just might be the one that makes up Schniederlin's mind to stay. Kuyt would feel the love of the Saints fans pretty soon, why wouldn't they, he never stops running. Surely he'd love another pop at the Premiership and with a Dutch flavour to boot?
Nice article Mr Carter, I agree with your sentiments that the club have made gaffe after gaffe and that it's the club at fault.... to a degree. They are at fault but not so much as the feeding frenzy that must have ensured after Poccettino went off. New chairman, 'new' owner, no manager.... The agents must have ordered new Sunseekers just at the thought of it. I'm convinced that Lambert was just the bait to take Lallana and Lovren otherwise it just doesn't make any sense at all. And now they've both been found out, good bye. It's Koemans gig now and I'm already wondering when he'll be off to Man U or ...... bloody spurs/Saintpool. That's how it is now. However, I'll look forward to what Koeman has to say because it will at least be in English... and very good English from what I've learned over the years from the Dutch. If I may put a plea forward.... can Mr Koeman please persuade any or all of the Dutch national back three to sign but also.... Dirk Kuyt. He might be early 30's but as he showed in the world cup, he can play anywhere and just might be the one that makes up Schniederlin's mind to stay. Kuyt would feel the love of the Saints fans pretty soon, why wouldn't they, he never stops running. Surely he'd love another pop at the Premiership and with a Dutch flavour to boot? Jonny7oma
  • Score: 21

9:54am Fri 11 Jul 14

spratt says...

Rudolf Hucker wrote:
Come on DE...Roko has only just taken the reigns in a very unsettling period at Saints...With the exception of Lambo, all the others wanted out of SFC, and good riddance to them imo...Give the Guv some slack, let him get his players in and steady the ship.. This season it wouldn't bother me if we finished 17th in the prem, so long as we are in it next season...I am really excited about this coming season, and embrace the Roko revolution.
Never thought I would say this but the Echo is to be congratulated here for a very excellent summary of all that has happened over the past months. Spot on I would say. If I were Kruger or Reed I would be embarresed to read this article. I also agree that us fans may have to settle for a sound middle or upper middle spot this season as the building process takes place, I would be happy with that. I think this new manager is ten times better than the departing Judas.
[quote][p][bold]Rudolf Hucker[/bold] wrote: Come on DE...Roko has only just taken the reigns in a very unsettling period at Saints...With the exception of Lambo, all the others wanted out of SFC, and good riddance to them imo...Give the Guv some slack, let him get his players in and steady the ship.. This season it wouldn't bother me if we finished 17th in the prem, so long as we are in it next season...I am really excited about this coming season, and embrace the Roko revolution.[/p][/quote]Never thought I would say this but the Echo is to be congratulated here for a very excellent summary of all that has happened over the past months. Spot on I would say. If I were Kruger or Reed I would be embarresed to read this article. I also agree that us fans may have to settle for a sound middle or upper middle spot this season as the building process takes place, I would be happy with that. I think this new manager is ten times better than the departing Judas. spratt
  • Score: 19

9:55am Fri 11 Jul 14

montecristosaint says...

the proof lies in the pudding will Saints sign an adequate number of quality players to stand a chance of improving beyond last season s performance.That is all fans want to know. So far progress has bee painfully slow, and its not really acceptable. Quibbling over minor potatoes when you have just had record receipts, doesnt seem the way to go frankly.I and thousands of Saints fans feel disappointed by Reed and Krueger, why dont they just leave, they make my blood run cold.
the proof lies in the pudding will Saints sign an adequate number of quality players to stand a chance of improving beyond last season s performance.That is all fans want to know. So far progress has bee painfully slow, and its not really acceptable. Quibbling over minor potatoes when you have just had record receipts, doesnt seem the way to go frankly.I and thousands of Saints fans feel disappointed by Reed and Krueger, why dont they just leave, they make my blood run cold. montecristosaint
  • Score: -42

9:59am Fri 11 Jul 14

Saintlee72 says...

I think every Saints fan felt that all hope for a repeat of last season was going to be hard as soon as our players were tapped up by Steven Gerrard at the world cup. Luke Shaw was at least honest enough to say he wanted out at the end of last season. Sir Rickie isn't begrudged his move at all. Lallana and Lovren can go whistle. They could have gone down in Saints folklore but they can both forget that.
I do think however that you are being a bit harsh on messers Krueger and Reed. Maybe your lack of what really goes on at a football club may have something to do with that. Look at themoney we received for Lallana and Shaw - absolutely extortionate, but great if you're a Saints fan. Extortionate money for players that didn't want to be here anyway. They had no choice but to sell. Great business in my eyes. Koeman knows what he's doing and will not let us down. Good start with Tadic. As Jon Bon Jovi once said " Keep the faith" COYR.
I think every Saints fan felt that all hope for a repeat of last season was going to be hard as soon as our players were tapped up by Steven Gerrard at the world cup. Luke Shaw was at least honest enough to say he wanted out at the end of last season. Sir Rickie isn't begrudged his move at all. Lallana and Lovren can go whistle. They could have gone down in Saints folklore but they can both forget that. I do think however that you are being a bit harsh on messers Krueger and Reed. Maybe your lack of what really goes on at a football club may have something to do with that. Look at themoney we received for Lallana and Shaw - absolutely extortionate, but great if you're a Saints fan. Extortionate money for players that didn't want to be here anyway. They had no choice but to sell. Great business in my eyes. Koeman knows what he's doing and will not let us down. Good start with Tadic. As Jon Bon Jovi once said " Keep the faith" COYR. Saintlee72
  • Score: 32

10:09am Fri 11 Jul 14

Chipmonk1 says...

This fan has not lost faith. The piece is accurate and I don't think anyone would say that RK and the rest of the board have been brilliant but the appointment of RoKo convinced me that the board had no intention of letting the advances made be let go of and continue the push, even though more circumspectly. I would like to see a hardline taken with Lovren and Spider. One more season and then we look at it. Surely neither thought saints would reach the CL in our second year vack in PL. As others have said I would hate to see MS go to Spurs. MoPo can go f $#k himself. His departure was the greatest betrayal of all.
This fan has not lost faith. The piece is accurate and I don't think anyone would say that RK and the rest of the board have been brilliant but the appointment of RoKo convinced me that the board had no intention of letting the advances made be let go of and continue the push, even though more circumspectly. I would like to see a hardline taken with Lovren and Spider. One more season and then we look at it. Surely neither thought saints would reach the CL in our second year vack in PL. As others have said I would hate to see MS go to Spurs. MoPo can go f $#k himself. His departure was the greatest betrayal of all. Chipmonk1
  • Score: 18

10:31am Fri 11 Jul 14

SwissToni says...

Enough of the Reed and Kruegar bashing. Reed had no choice in what happened with Pochettino in the closing months of the season. We all wanted him to stay, but it is clear that he wanted to play the club along until something better came up. What was Reed's alternative approach?

In terms of the players leaving, I personally felt the timing of Lambert going was badly managed. What would have changed if Liverpool were told to wait until after the World Cup? Would they have signed another player? I doubt it...

From a club perspective it has been totally ripped apart and reorganised with many new protagonists coming in. Personally, I've been impressed with how Kruegar has come in and try to stabilise it. But he and the club need time.

Onwards and upwards.
Enough of the Reed and Kruegar bashing. Reed had no choice in what happened with Pochettino in the closing months of the season. We all wanted him to stay, but it is clear that he wanted to play the club along until something better came up. What was Reed's alternative approach? In terms of the players leaving, I personally felt the timing of Lambert going was badly managed. What would have changed if Liverpool were told to wait until after the World Cup? Would they have signed another player? I doubt it... From a club perspective it has been totally ripped apart and reorganised with many new protagonists coming in. Personally, I've been impressed with how Kruegar has come in and try to stabilise it. But he and the club need time. Onwards and upwards. SwissToni
  • Score: 25

10:38am Fri 11 Jul 14

Mister E says...

Come on Simon Carter, why oh why do you (and other journalists to be fair) persist in turning positives into negatives?
Rickie's transfer is/was a unique situation and shouldn't be judged with the others. Most fans were full of understanding, and after what he had given us .....the club got good money in return! I, for one, thought the club/ board showed great integrity in dealing with the situation. That confirmed to me I was right to look past all the press hype around Saints!
The other transfers out, well the players showed very little honour or integrity - surely, at the very least, you'd meet the new manager! The fact they didn't shows me they wanted out for their own selfish reasons nothing to do with the club. They would of met him and or the board first if they really were concerned about the direction of the club!
As for Lovren, well he absolutely proves that point!
Come on Daily Echo, by all means be negative about a negative, but stop looking and spinning negativity when it's not there!
Come on Simon Carter, why oh why do you (and other journalists to be fair) persist in turning positives into negatives? Rickie's transfer is/was a unique situation and shouldn't be judged with the others. Most fans were full of understanding, and after what he had given us .....the club got good money in return! I, for one, thought the club/ board showed great integrity in dealing with the situation. That confirmed to me I was right to look past all the press hype around Saints! The other transfers out, well the players showed very little honour or integrity - surely, at the very least, you'd meet the new manager! The fact they didn't shows me they wanted out for their own selfish reasons nothing to do with the club. They would of met him and or the board first if they really were concerned about the direction of the club! As for Lovren, well he absolutely proves that point! Come on Daily Echo, by all means be negative about a negative, but stop looking and spinning negativity when it's not there! Mister E
  • Score: 24

10:39am Fri 11 Jul 14

Mister E says...

Meant to add: Give the man a chance!
Meant to add: Give the man a chance! Mister E
  • Score: 7

10:39am Fri 11 Jul 14

pitbull says...

When Les Reed made his statement in April he was under the impression that the previous manager was staying as they were talking about the future, and at that time what Les Reed was saying was the truth.
The previous manager bullcr4pped Mr Reed, the club, the fans and led everyone up the garden path.
I also bet that Mr Reed did not envisage the disgraceful behaviour of our captain or Lovren.
Lambert was sold out of respect, bearing in mind he was being sold to West Ham in January.
Shaw and Lallana wanted out and Les Reed got some outstanding deals on them, the same as he will with Lovren and possibly Schneiderlin, and who's to say that Ronald Koeman didn't have an input into the sales of Lallana and Shaw.
Ralph Kreuger and Les Reed could have done and said things a bit differently I will agree, but in the main they have done what they said they would, so far.

It's about time we moved on from the previous chairman, manager and players, it's done, they've gone, lets move on and support the club, Ronald Koeman and the players that will wear the famous red'n'white.
When Les Reed made his statement in April he was under the impression that the previous manager was staying as they were talking about the future, and at that time what Les Reed was saying was the truth. The previous manager bullcr4pped Mr Reed, the club, the fans and led everyone up the garden path. I also bet that Mr Reed did not envisage the disgraceful behaviour of our captain or Lovren. Lambert was sold out of respect, bearing in mind he was being sold to West Ham in January. Shaw and Lallana wanted out and Les Reed got some outstanding deals on them, the same as he will with Lovren and possibly Schneiderlin, and who's to say that Ronald Koeman didn't have an input into the sales of Lallana and Shaw. Ralph Kreuger and Les Reed could have done and said things a bit differently I will agree, but in the main they have done what they said they would, so far. It's about time we moved on from the previous chairman, manager and players, it's done, they've gone, lets move on and support the club, Ronald Koeman and the players that will wear the famous red'n'white. pitbull
  • Score: 30

10:54am Fri 11 Jul 14

andoru says...

Bets on the first question from the scum in the tabloid press?
Bets on the first question from the scum in the tabloid press? andoru
  • Score: 3

10:59am Fri 11 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

RonKo has my support, he now needs the support from the Club through providing him with tools to do the job, even the best Manager in the World cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Get some quality players in, and the belief will return, the support goes without saying, it is always there, come what may.
RonKo has my support, he now needs the support from the Club through providing him with tools to do the job, even the best Manager in the World cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Get some quality players in, and the belief will return, the support goes without saying, it is always there, come what may. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

11:20am Fri 11 Jul 14

neverhasbeen says...

andoru wrote:
Bets on the first question from the scum in the tabloid press?
"Do you have any respect for the English media, now that we have ripped your team apart?", or maybe not!
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: Bets on the first question from the scum in the tabloid press?[/p][/quote]"Do you have any respect for the English media, now that we have ripped your team apart?", or maybe not! neverhasbeen
  • Score: 5

11:30am Fri 11 Jul 14

Churchill Saint says...

Disappointed that the DE is taking such a negative view of all that's gone on the last 2 months. I think LR and the Board have done many good things in stabalising the club and building the foundation for many years to come. Saints have been put in a very difficult position by the Latin duo; NC has been scorned by KL and will anything destabalise the club and MP 's action have been driven purely by his own selfish ambition. Put together they could have done a lot more damage, were it not for the strong stance taken by LR and RK.
Disappointed that the DE is taking such a negative view of all that's gone on the last 2 months. I think LR and the Board have done many good things in stabalising the club and building the foundation for many years to come. Saints have been put in a very difficult position by the Latin duo; NC has been scorned by KL and will anything destabalise the club and MP 's action have been driven purely by his own selfish ambition. Put together they could have done a lot more damage, were it not for the strong stance taken by LR and RK. Churchill Saint
  • Score: 6

11:32am Fri 11 Jul 14

Winsaint says...

Today is the start of the new beginingwhere the migty Saints rise from the pile of ashes and put down a marker for the season. We as fans have had a great time over the last five years and like all good things at some point we will suffer a reversal.
It is easy to blame Les Reed or Ralph however at the end of the day players were not happy and made there feelings known and i for one do not want payers who do not feel passionate about SFC wearing the shirt. The important thing is how they respond and gues what they have employed one of the most well known names in Europe to manage us and signed a player who certainly looks every bit a quality addition. For goodness sake give the guys time as bad feeling festers and will create even more problems.
The only way to look is forward you can't turn the clock back so look forward to the next few weeks. Exciting signings a good preseason and a trip to Anfield on day one. It is an ideal oportunity to turn over a new leaf and start another chapter in OUR great clubs history.

ONWARDS AND UPARDS

COYR
Today is the start of the new beginingwhere the migty Saints rise from the pile of ashes and put down a marker for the season. We as fans have had a great time over the last five years and like all good things at some point we will suffer a reversal. It is easy to blame Les Reed or Ralph however at the end of the day players were not happy and made there feelings known and i for one do not want payers who do not feel passionate about SFC wearing the shirt. The important thing is how they respond and gues what they have employed one of the most well known names in Europe to manage us and signed a player who certainly looks every bit a quality addition. For goodness sake give the guys time as bad feeling festers and will create even more problems. The only way to look is forward you can't turn the clock back so look forward to the next few weeks. Exciting signings a good preseason and a trip to Anfield on day one. It is an ideal oportunity to turn over a new leaf and start another chapter in OUR great clubs history. ONWARDS AND UPARDS COYR Winsaint
  • Score: 10

11:36am Fri 11 Jul 14

St Van Roetford says...

He's been here for a week and a half and is still learning English. I wouldn't be expecting "I have a dream" from this press conference.

Let's cut him a bit of slack.
He's been here for a week and a half and is still learning English. I wouldn't be expecting "I have a dream" from this press conference. Let's cut him a bit of slack. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 9

11:41am Fri 11 Jul 14

upwherewebelong says...

SwissToni wrote:
Enough of the Reed and Kruegar bashing. Reed had no choice in what happened with Pochettino in the closing months of the season. We all wanted him to stay, but it is clear that he wanted to play the club along until something better came up. What was Reed's alternative approach?

In terms of the players leaving, I personally felt the timing of Lambert going was badly managed. What would have changed if Liverpool were told to wait until after the World Cup? Would they have signed another player? I doubt it...

From a club perspective it has been totally ripped apart and reorganised with many new protagonists coming in. Personally, I've been impressed with how Kruegar has come in and try to stabilise it. But he and the club need time.

Onwards and upwards.
Fair point but I think what the Echo are trying to demonstrate is putting it bluntly that both Messrs Krueger and Reed are nothing but liars. Had they said something like "we have no need or desire to sell but we may be forced to by factors out of our control" then fans myself included could have nothing much to moan about. The problem was the blatant untruths they spouted at every opportunity. But I think enough now I for one have made my feelings abundantly clear and have nothing new to add. I just want to look forwards now and just hope that Tadic wasn't our one and only incoming transfer as everything seems to have stopped. I think the point about Liverpool being told to wait is that we should and could have said to both players and Liverpool that only once we had signed replacements would we sell the players. The modern games greatest weakness is the arrogance and petulant attitude players have. All clubs need to unite against the players and ensure they don't always get their own way.
[quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Enough of the Reed and Kruegar bashing. Reed had no choice in what happened with Pochettino in the closing months of the season. We all wanted him to stay, but it is clear that he wanted to play the club along until something better came up. What was Reed's alternative approach? In terms of the players leaving, I personally felt the timing of Lambert going was badly managed. What would have changed if Liverpool were told to wait until after the World Cup? Would they have signed another player? I doubt it... From a club perspective it has been totally ripped apart and reorganised with many new protagonists coming in. Personally, I've been impressed with how Kruegar has come in and try to stabilise it. But he and the club need time. Onwards and upwards.[/p][/quote]Fair point but I think what the Echo are trying to demonstrate is putting it bluntly that both Messrs Krueger and Reed are nothing but liars. Had they said something like "we have no need or desire to sell but we may be forced to by factors out of our control" then fans myself included could have nothing much to moan about. The problem was the blatant untruths they spouted at every opportunity. But I think enough now I for one have made my feelings abundantly clear and have nothing new to add. I just want to look forwards now and just hope that Tadic wasn't our one and only incoming transfer as everything seems to have stopped. I think the point about Liverpool being told to wait is that we should and could have said to both players and Liverpool that only once we had signed replacements would we sell the players. The modern games greatest weakness is the arrogance and petulant attitude players have. All clubs need to unite against the players and ensure they don't always get their own way. upwherewebelong
  • Score: -5

11:41am Fri 11 Jul 14

forest-dweller says...

Your last two articles about player loyalty were spot on....this, this is just overly negative and a little indigenous.
Your last two articles about player loyalty were spot on....this, this is just overly negative and a little indigenous. forest-dweller
  • Score: 4

11:42am Fri 11 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Why were all the "want away"players sold so quickly? The transfer window had only just opened and we lost 3.
This was of huge benefit to Liverpool and man utd as they got the player in early to gel and settle in,what about us? We let them go without any replacements recruited or lined up judging by the targets we are now going for.we are now in a very weak bargaining position.we will have to pay over the odds for average players like pelle.these players were contracted and could have been granted their moves on the proviso we were given time to recruit their replacement.lovren will go and so will Morgan and les will sell them without us getting in their replacement.
Avoiding relegation will be an achievement in itself this year.
Some people think supporting your club is about agreeing with everything the club does and just saying positive things which no one really believes.i believe it's also about calling them to account and questioning their decisions.people are not the club,managers are not the club, chairmen are not the club.the supporters are the club.
Support the club not the board.
Why were all the "want away"players sold so quickly? The transfer window had only just opened and we lost 3. This was of huge benefit to Liverpool and man utd as they got the player in early to gel and settle in,what about us? We let them go without any replacements recruited or lined up judging by the targets we are now going for.we are now in a very weak bargaining position.we will have to pay over the odds for average players like pelle.these players were contracted and could have been granted their moves on the proviso we were given time to recruit their replacement.lovren will go and so will Morgan and les will sell them without us getting in their replacement. Avoiding relegation will be an achievement in itself this year. Some people think supporting your club is about agreeing with everything the club does and just saying positive things which no one really believes.i believe it's also about calling them to account and questioning their decisions.people are not the club,managers are not the club, chairmen are not the club.the supporters are the club. Support the club not the board. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -3

11:44am Fri 11 Jul 14

Churchill Saint says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
He's been here for a week and a half and is still learning English. I wouldn't be expecting "I have a dream" from this press conference.

Let's cut him a bit of slack.
Shame. I like a bit of ABBA
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: He's been here for a week and a half and is still learning English. I wouldn't be expecting "I have a dream" from this press conference. Let's cut him a bit of slack.[/p][/quote]Shame. I like a bit of ABBA Churchill Saint
  • Score: 7

11:50am Fri 11 Jul 14

St Van Roetford says...

forest-dweller wrote:
Your last two articles about player loyalty were spot on....this, this is just overly negative and a little indigenous.
Indigenous?
[quote][p][bold]forest-dweller[/bold] wrote: Your last two articles about player loyalty were spot on....this, this is just overly negative and a little indigenous.[/p][/quote]Indigenous? St Van Roetford
  • Score: 13

11:55am Fri 11 Jul 14

Simms1 says...

Reed is either naïve or lied back in April. either one is not good and we have been spun a lot of crap since.

The thing I can't get is why on earth haven't they sorted Cork and Fonte out with new deals. Indeed this should have been sorted out long before all the departures-presumabl
y now a much more difficult task. We need these experienced guys to knit/hold everything together.

I would imagine morale is at an all time low although the balance sheet has improved a lot.......
Reed is either naïve or lied back in April. either one is not good and we have been spun a lot of crap since. The thing I can't get is why on earth haven't they sorted Cork and Fonte out with new deals. Indeed this should have been sorted out long before all the departures-presumabl y now a much more difficult task. We need these experienced guys to knit/hold everything together. I would imagine morale is at an all time low although the balance sheet has improved a lot....... Simms1
  • Score: -8

11:55am Fri 11 Jul 14

BarnetSaint says...

Article is spot on.
Their ( the board) words have come back to bite them with a vengeance.
We desperately need reed, Kruger and co to fully support RoKo in his transfer dealings.
It's not to late but to date, only 1 player in.
Other clubs are stealing a match on us.
Article is spot on. Their ( the board) words have come back to bite them with a vengeance. We desperately need reed, Kruger and co to fully support RoKo in his transfer dealings. It's not to late but to date, only 1 player in. Other clubs are stealing a match on us. BarnetSaint
  • Score: -2

12:04pm Fri 11 Jul 14

deepheat says...

Southampton FC are an honest club.

Saints were unfortunate enough to have employed what turned out to be a dishonest and destructive manager who in the end knowing months in advance he was going to Totton...Ham, decided to wreak havoc and spread fear and panic among certain players in an effort to stop Southampton being a threat to his new club Totton..Ham next season.

We now have in Ronald Koeman an honest manager who given time will not only outlast that Judas at Totton...Ham but will produce a better and more successful team.
Southampton FC are an honest club. Saints were unfortunate enough to have employed what turned out to be a dishonest and destructive manager who in the end knowing months in advance he was going to Totton...Ham, decided to wreak havoc and spread fear and panic among certain players in an effort to stop Southampton being a threat to his new club Totton..Ham next season. We now have in Ronald Koeman an honest manager who given time will not only outlast that Judas at Totton...Ham but will produce a better and more successful team. deepheat
  • Score: 17

12:07pm Fri 11 Jul 14

St Van Roetford says...

Churchill Saint wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
He's been here for a week and a half and is still learning English. I wouldn't be expecting "I have a dream" from this press conference.

Let's cut him a bit of slack.
Shame. I like a bit of ABBA
Haha! I was trying to think of a famous speech and it was either that one or Hitler's Neurenberg address. If I'd said "I wouldn't be expecting the Neurenberg address" everyone would be all "well I should hope not".
[quote][p][bold]Churchill Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: He's been here for a week and a half and is still learning English. I wouldn't be expecting "I have a dream" from this press conference. Let's cut him a bit of slack.[/p][/quote]Shame. I like a bit of ABBA[/p][/quote]Haha! I was trying to think of a famous speech and it was either that one or Hitler's Neurenberg address. If I'd said "I wouldn't be expecting the Neurenberg address" everyone would be all "well I should hope not". St Van Roetford
  • Score: 4

12:08pm Fri 11 Jul 14

jls217 says...

upwherewebelong wrote:
SwissToni wrote:
Enough of the Reed and Kruegar bashing. Reed had no choice in what happened with Pochettino in the closing months of the season. We all wanted him to stay, but it is clear that he wanted to play the club along until something better came up. What was Reed's alternative approach?

In terms of the players leaving, I personally felt the timing of Lambert going was badly managed. What would have changed if Liverpool were told to wait until after the World Cup? Would they have signed another player? I doubt it...

From a club perspective it has been totally ripped apart and reorganised with many new protagonists coming in. Personally, I've been impressed with how Kruegar has come in and try to stabilise it. But he and the club need time.

Onwards and upwards.
Fair point but I think what the Echo are trying to demonstrate is putting it bluntly that both Messrs Krueger and Reed are nothing but liars. Had they said something like "we have no need or desire to sell but we may be forced to by factors out of our control" then fans myself included could have nothing much to moan about. The problem was the blatant untruths they spouted at every opportunity. But I think enough now I for one have made my feelings abundantly clear and have nothing new to add. I just want to look forwards now and just hope that Tadic wasn't our one and only incoming transfer as everything seems to have stopped. I think the point about Liverpool being told to wait is that we should and could have said to both players and Liverpool that only once we had signed replacements would we sell the players. The modern games greatest weakness is the arrogance and petulant attitude players have. All clubs need to unite against the players and ensure they don't always get their own way.
Yep - seems to me the whole football industry has lost sight of who the most important person in this whole gravy train is - the fan.

When this bubble finally bursts (and it will one day - they always do). The fan will move to something else and the sponsors likewise and the faithful few will be able to sit and watch pure enjoyment football with no 50k a week leeches exploiting us and feeling they are celebs or royalty - football - killed by footballers will be the footnote in history to what can be a fantastic spectator event. RIP - FOOTBALL.
[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SwissToni[/bold] wrote: Enough of the Reed and Kruegar bashing. Reed had no choice in what happened with Pochettino in the closing months of the season. We all wanted him to stay, but it is clear that he wanted to play the club along until something better came up. What was Reed's alternative approach? In terms of the players leaving, I personally felt the timing of Lambert going was badly managed. What would have changed if Liverpool were told to wait until after the World Cup? Would they have signed another player? I doubt it... From a club perspective it has been totally ripped apart and reorganised with many new protagonists coming in. Personally, I've been impressed with how Kruegar has come in and try to stabilise it. But he and the club need time. Onwards and upwards.[/p][/quote]Fair point but I think what the Echo are trying to demonstrate is putting it bluntly that both Messrs Krueger and Reed are nothing but liars. Had they said something like "we have no need or desire to sell but we may be forced to by factors out of our control" then fans myself included could have nothing much to moan about. The problem was the blatant untruths they spouted at every opportunity. But I think enough now I for one have made my feelings abundantly clear and have nothing new to add. I just want to look forwards now and just hope that Tadic wasn't our one and only incoming transfer as everything seems to have stopped. I think the point about Liverpool being told to wait is that we should and could have said to both players and Liverpool that only once we had signed replacements would we sell the players. The modern games greatest weakness is the arrogance and petulant attitude players have. All clubs need to unite against the players and ensure they don't always get their own way.[/p][/quote]Yep - seems to me the whole football industry has lost sight of who the most important person in this whole gravy train is - the fan. When this bubble finally bursts (and it will one day - they always do). The fan will move to something else and the sponsors likewise and the faithful few will be able to sit and watch pure enjoyment football with no 50k a week leeches exploiting us and feeling they are celebs or royalty - football - killed by footballers will be the footnote in history to what can be a fantastic spectator event. RIP - FOOTBALL. jls217
  • Score: 5

12:14pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Folkestone Saint says...

I keep hearing an add on sky sports, it says "sure, it won't let you down", but it should be, "shaw, he will let you down"
I keep hearing an add on sky sports, it says "sure, it won't let you down", but it should be, "shaw, he will let you down" Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 7

12:17pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

what is it with this horrible horrible style of once sentence per paragraph?

have poeple suddenly become incapable of processing more than once sentence in a go? this isn't Skateville you know!
what is it with this horrible horrible style of once sentence per paragraph? have poeple suddenly become incapable of processing more than once sentence in a go? this isn't Skateville you know! Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 2

12:37pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Shareholder says...

pitbull wrote:
When Les Reed made his statement in April he was under the impression that the previous manager was staying as they were talking about the future, and at that time what Les Reed was saying was the truth.
The previous manager bullcr4pped Mr Reed, the club, the fans and led everyone up the garden path.
I also bet that Mr Reed did not envisage the disgraceful behaviour of our captain or Lovren.
Lambert was sold out of respect, bearing in mind he was being sold to West Ham in January.
Shaw and Lallana wanted out and Les Reed got some outstanding deals on them, the same as he will with Lovren and possibly Schneiderlin, and who's to say that Ronald Koeman didn't have an input into the sales of Lallana and Shaw.
Ralph Kreuger and Les Reed could have done and said things a bit differently I will agree, but in the main they have done what they said they would, so far.

It's about time we moved on from the previous chairman, manager and players, it's done, they've gone, lets move on and support the club, Ronald Koeman and the players that will wear the famous red'n'white.
Well put. What did the Echo expect Reed and Kreuger to say, 'yes everyone's leaving the club'? Can you imagine that? Of course not. I'm totally happy with the way the Board have handled matters. The Echo is totally wrong when it says clubs weren't given a straight 'not for sale' answer when they enquired about players. It's very clear that's exactly what happened but the spoilt brats stamped their little feet and the agents threatened. So Reed then played hard ball over the fees and got some great deals. Everything that's happened since has been right and good for the club. And let's not get above ourselves. At the moment we're a good mid table club that wants to go higher. There are about 8 or more clubs thinking the same. With our owner and our Board I'd say we've got the best chance of any of them to succeed in that quest. Or would the numpties who want the club to be sold rather take the risk with another Tan or Glazer? I think I can safely say I'm with the majority in thinking we're lucky to have want we've got and long may they stay. One last thing. With such an upheaval to a squad it may be a while for the new players to click so we may not start off too well next season. We may on the other hand get off to a flyer. But if we don't let's not get on everyone's backs. It's been a tough summer so let's give Koeman and the boys a bit of slack and the time to get it right. The future is, I'm sure, a bright one.
[quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: When Les Reed made his statement in April he was under the impression that the previous manager was staying as they were talking about the future, and at that time what Les Reed was saying was the truth. The previous manager bullcr4pped Mr Reed, the club, the fans and led everyone up the garden path. I also bet that Mr Reed did not envisage the disgraceful behaviour of our captain or Lovren. Lambert was sold out of respect, bearing in mind he was being sold to West Ham in January. Shaw and Lallana wanted out and Les Reed got some outstanding deals on them, the same as he will with Lovren and possibly Schneiderlin, and who's to say that Ronald Koeman didn't have an input into the sales of Lallana and Shaw. Ralph Kreuger and Les Reed could have done and said things a bit differently I will agree, but in the main they have done what they said they would, so far. It's about time we moved on from the previous chairman, manager and players, it's done, they've gone, lets move on and support the club, Ronald Koeman and the players that will wear the famous red'n'white.[/p][/quote]Well put. What did the Echo expect Reed and Kreuger to say, 'yes everyone's leaving the club'? Can you imagine that? Of course not. I'm totally happy with the way the Board have handled matters. The Echo is totally wrong when it says clubs weren't given a straight 'not for sale' answer when they enquired about players. It's very clear that's exactly what happened but the spoilt brats stamped their little feet and the agents threatened. So Reed then played hard ball over the fees and got some great deals. Everything that's happened since has been right and good for the club. And let's not get above ourselves. At the moment we're a good mid table club that wants to go higher. There are about 8 or more clubs thinking the same. With our owner and our Board I'd say we've got the best chance of any of them to succeed in that quest. Or would the numpties who want the club to be sold rather take the risk with another Tan or Glazer? I think I can safely say I'm with the majority in thinking we're lucky to have want we've got and long may they stay. One last thing. With such an upheaval to a squad it may be a while for the new players to click so we may not start off too well next season. We may on the other hand get off to a flyer. But if we don't let's not get on everyone's backs. It's been a tough summer so let's give Koeman and the boys a bit of slack and the time to get it right. The future is, I'm sure, a bright one. Shareholder
  • Score: 13

12:45pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Golden_Salamander says...

Normally I don't like it when the Echo write these Anti Saints articles however there are a number of issues that the Saints Board and Fans should take note off.

For me Ralph is where the problem is, the players / fans look to the Board / Chairman for direction and it isn't there.

Adam Blackmore on twitter summed it up when he said :-
" I still believe #saintsfc new board would have avoided problems by appointing former B'burn exec John Williams to board when they had chance"
"Williams has reputation for being excellent with players & contracts and is a football man through & through, would have filled Cortese void"

There is a VOID / VACUUM at the head of the Club and Kat and the Board should take note of that and not just say "sort it out Ron".

What we all need is a STATEMENT OF DIRECTION.
Normally I don't like it when the Echo write these Anti Saints articles however there are a number of issues that the Saints Board and Fans should take note off. For me Ralph is where the problem is, the players / fans look to the Board / Chairman for direction and it isn't there. Adam Blackmore on twitter summed it up when he said :- " I still believe #saintsfc new board would have avoided problems by appointing former B'burn exec John Williams to board when they had chance" "Williams has reputation for being excellent with players & contracts and is a football man through & through, would have filled Cortese void" There is a VOID / VACUUM at the head of the Club and Kat and the Board should take note of that and not just say "sort it out Ron". What we all need is a STATEMENT OF DIRECTION. Golden_Salamander
  • Score: -1

1:18pm Fri 11 Jul 14

the cowman says...

Shareholder wrote:
pitbull wrote:
When Les Reed made his statement in April he was under the impression that the previous manager was staying as they were talking about the future, and at that time what Les Reed was saying was the truth.
The previous manager bullcr4pped Mr Reed, the club, the fans and led everyone up the garden path.
I also bet that Mr Reed did not envisage the disgraceful behaviour of our captain or Lovren.
Lambert was sold out of respect, bearing in mind he was being sold to West Ham in January.
Shaw and Lallana wanted out and Les Reed got some outstanding deals on them, the same as he will with Lovren and possibly Schneiderlin, and who's to say that Ronald Koeman didn't have an input into the sales of Lallana and Shaw.
Ralph Kreuger and Les Reed could have done and said things a bit differently I will agree, but in the main they have done what they said they would, so far.

It's about time we moved on from the previous chairman, manager and players, it's done, they've gone, lets move on and support the club, Ronald Koeman and the players that will wear the famous red'n'white.
Well put. What did the Echo expect Reed and Kreuger to say, 'yes everyone's leaving the club'? Can you imagine that? Of course not. I'm totally happy with the way the Board have handled matters. The Echo is totally wrong when it says clubs weren't given a straight 'not for sale' answer when they enquired about players. It's very clear that's exactly what happened but the spoilt brats stamped their little feet and the agents threatened. So Reed then played hard ball over the fees and got some great deals. Everything that's happened since has been right and good for the club. And let's not get above ourselves. At the moment we're a good mid table club that wants to go higher. There are about 8 or more clubs thinking the same. With our owner and our Board I'd say we've got the best chance of any of them to succeed in that quest. Or would the numpties who want the club to be sold rather take the risk with another Tan or Glazer? I think I can safely say I'm with the majority in thinking we're lucky to have want we've got and long may they stay. One last thing. With such an upheaval to a squad it may be a while for the new players to click so we may not start off too well next season. We may on the other hand get off to a flyer. But if we don't let's not get on everyone's backs. It's been a tough summer so let's give Koeman and the boys a bit of slack and the time to get it right. The future is, I'm sure, a bright one.
Totally agree. By saying no on e was going we got top dollar.in this day and age it is no good trying to keep players once they have made up their minds to go, all a club can do is get the best price possible. Ronaldo man U to Real and Bale Spurs to Real are prime examples. Every club is a selling club if the player wants to go and the price is met. At least we have got good money in rather than players running down their contracts and walking out on a Bosman. Equally we are playing hard ball on transfer fees for players coming in, that is why they are taking time. It is reported we offered around £3 million for Pelle, that was I am sure our opening gambit, if it had been accepted then great, if not we can go back with incremental increases until a fee is accepted. It's called business, you get the best deal possible for you and that applies equally to buyer and seller,. We will probably need to be patient once the season starts especially if we end up with 6 or 7 new players, and also the existing players will need to get used to the new manager and tactics. If we can keep the fitness levels where they were but hurt teams more in their penalty area, which is the one area we lacked last year then I am sure we can at least match where we were last year, and realistically have Everton and Spurs in our sights. Top half will be fine, but anywhere between 8th and 6th would be a fantastic.
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: When Les Reed made his statement in April he was under the impression that the previous manager was staying as they were talking about the future, and at that time what Les Reed was saying was the truth. The previous manager bullcr4pped Mr Reed, the club, the fans and led everyone up the garden path. I also bet that Mr Reed did not envisage the disgraceful behaviour of our captain or Lovren. Lambert was sold out of respect, bearing in mind he was being sold to West Ham in January. Shaw and Lallana wanted out and Les Reed got some outstanding deals on them, the same as he will with Lovren and possibly Schneiderlin, and who's to say that Ronald Koeman didn't have an input into the sales of Lallana and Shaw. Ralph Kreuger and Les Reed could have done and said things a bit differently I will agree, but in the main they have done what they said they would, so far. It's about time we moved on from the previous chairman, manager and players, it's done, they've gone, lets move on and support the club, Ronald Koeman and the players that will wear the famous red'n'white.[/p][/quote]Well put. What did the Echo expect Reed and Kreuger to say, 'yes everyone's leaving the club'? Can you imagine that? Of course not. I'm totally happy with the way the Board have handled matters. The Echo is totally wrong when it says clubs weren't given a straight 'not for sale' answer when they enquired about players. It's very clear that's exactly what happened but the spoilt brats stamped their little feet and the agents threatened. So Reed then played hard ball over the fees and got some great deals. Everything that's happened since has been right and good for the club. And let's not get above ourselves. At the moment we're a good mid table club that wants to go higher. There are about 8 or more clubs thinking the same. With our owner and our Board I'd say we've got the best chance of any of them to succeed in that quest. Or would the numpties who want the club to be sold rather take the risk with another Tan or Glazer? I think I can safely say I'm with the majority in thinking we're lucky to have want we've got and long may they stay. One last thing. With such an upheaval to a squad it may be a while for the new players to click so we may not start off too well next season. We may on the other hand get off to a flyer. But if we don't let's not get on everyone's backs. It's been a tough summer so let's give Koeman and the boys a bit of slack and the time to get it right. The future is, I'm sure, a bright one.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. By saying no on e was going we got top dollar.in this day and age it is no good trying to keep players once they have made up their minds to go, all a club can do is get the best price possible. Ronaldo man U to Real and Bale Spurs to Real are prime examples. Every club is a selling club if the player wants to go and the price is met. At least we have got good money in rather than players running down their contracts and walking out on a Bosman. Equally we are playing hard ball on transfer fees for players coming in, that is why they are taking time. It is reported we offered around £3 million for Pelle, that was I am sure our opening gambit, if it had been accepted then great, if not we can go back with incremental increases until a fee is accepted. It's called business, you get the best deal possible for you and that applies equally to buyer and seller,. We will probably need to be patient once the season starts especially if we end up with 6 or 7 new players, and also the existing players will need to get used to the new manager and tactics. If we can keep the fitness levels where they were but hurt teams more in their penalty area, which is the one area we lacked last year then I am sure we can at least match where we were last year, and realistically have Everton and Spurs in our sights. Top half will be fine, but anywhere between 8th and 6th would be a fantastic. the cowman
  • Score: 2

1:34pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Thankyounicola says...

Good and accurate summary of the events over the past couple of months. Les Reed and Ralph Krueger were very foolish with some of their comments. I guess that's why Nicola chose not to speak media.
Bottom line is if we do well this season then everything will be hunky dory.
If not then we could be in trouble. If Koeman struggles or is put under intense pressure and leaves then we are in deep trouble..
I hope for the sake of the club that it all works out fine.
Good and accurate summary of the events over the past couple of months. Les Reed and Ralph Krueger were very foolish with some of their comments. I guess that's why Nicola chose not to speak media. Bottom line is if we do well this season then everything will be hunky dory. If not then we could be in trouble. If Koeman struggles or is put under intense pressure and leaves then we are in deep trouble.. I hope for the sake of the club that it all works out fine. Thankyounicola
  • Score: 0

1:39pm Fri 11 Jul 14

SouthamptonBoy65 says...

You're quite right DE, it has been a tough month or so for our beloved Saints.

So, why don't you just get off their backs with your childish sniping wrapped in almsot big words, and support the City's team, Southampton FC, like everyone else?

You actually published some good comment pieces in recent weeks, then up come's Carter again.

I am sure I am not alone in being not only bored, but perturbed, by the continued petulence in your articles.

Move on!

SB65
You're quite right DE, it has been a tough month or so for our beloved Saints. So, why don't you just get off their backs with your childish sniping wrapped in almsot big words, and support the City's team, Southampton FC, like everyone else? You actually published some good comment pieces in recent weeks, then up come's Carter again. I am sure I am not alone in being not only bored, but perturbed, by the continued petulence in your articles. Move on! SB65 SouthamptonBoy65
  • Score: 9

1:43pm Fri 11 Jul 14

milton road says...

The first problem is Les Reed said what he believed.
When a source at the club says 'Adam said he would never play another game for Saints it leaves a bad taste not only with the fans but the club.'
All you can do is get the best price possible and Saints did that for a player who is basically a 60 minute player. Is Adam a good player yes he is, yet he has shown nothing to say he is an exceptional player. He was the medias baby this season because he came with us from div 1, he could use both feet and England were crying out for new talent and he got the call. Yet he was in truth only on the fringes of a very poor England team and manager. he stood out at Saints because they persevered with him on his off days, at Liverpool he will have to be careful he does not get lost and forgotten in the crowd of attacking players at the club. I do not think anyone doubts being picked by England went to his head.

Shaw was always going to go and in fairness he could of gone and left us with a pittance by not signing pro forms. Yet he signed long term contract forms so we could get the best price and again we have.

Pochettino has come over badly for not being honest about his intentions. A manager whose win ratio is not exceptional 34% in his managerial career, though his sides have flair his style is invariable and readable by the top clubs.

Cortese was not prepared to compromise with KL who wanted some control over finances which is reasonable with the money invested. he was offered fantastic money to stay but Cortese is a man who does not negotiate as we all know. He worked wonders for saints and was fantastic in what he achieved.

KL fell in love with this club when she realized how much her father was loved. What bigger remembrance could you have than hearing your father's name sung at every game even though he passed on 4 years past, that must make her skin tingle. I think she has the welfare of the club at heart. We would be fools to jeopardize that.

Les Reed was Cortese's man and Cortese trusted him, You have to outwardly show a positive face even when players are harping on. he made a few gaffs but he also said they would do all they could to keep players as add end to saying no one would leave they didn't want to go. Several times they hinted on the fact if a player wanted to go there was not much they could do. The one positive is that the club have not moved to willingly sell them they have tried to keep them. it would be a different matter if we were off loading players to get the money and it was going out of the club to the owners pockets as it does at some clubs.

Kruger
Walked into a situation he was new to and a media and made some very unfortunate and silly comments and one would hope that he has learnt a very harsh lesson about what he says or at least how he says it.

The truth is there before fans eyes if the club was in financial trouble they would not be plowing all the player money back into the club.

This is without doubt an end of an era for the club but it is not the end of the dream and we may well have to tread water this season whilst we re- organize.

As for Lovren don't, his attitude stinks.
The first problem is Les Reed said what he believed. When a source at the club says 'Adam said he would never play another game for Saints it leaves a bad taste not only with the fans but the club.' All you can do is get the best price possible and Saints did that for a player who is basically a 60 minute player. Is Adam a good player yes he is, yet he has shown nothing to say he is an exceptional player. He was the medias baby this season because he came with us from div 1, he could use both feet and England were crying out for new talent and he got the call. Yet he was in truth only on the fringes of a very poor England team and manager. he stood out at Saints because they persevered with him on his off days, at Liverpool he will have to be careful he does not get lost and forgotten in the crowd of attacking players at the club. I do not think anyone doubts being picked by England went to his head. Shaw was always going to go and in fairness he could of gone and left us with a pittance by not signing pro forms. Yet he signed long term contract forms so we could get the best price and again we have. Pochettino has come over badly for not being honest about his intentions. A manager whose win ratio is not exceptional 34% in his managerial career, though his sides have flair his style is invariable and readable by the top clubs. Cortese was not prepared to compromise with KL who wanted some control over finances which is reasonable with the money invested. he was offered fantastic money to stay but Cortese is a man who does not negotiate as we all know. He worked wonders for saints and was fantastic in what he achieved. KL fell in love with this club when she realized how much her father was loved. What bigger remembrance could you have than hearing your father's name sung at every game even though he passed on 4 years past, that must make her skin tingle. I think she has the welfare of the club at heart. We would be fools to jeopardize that. Les Reed was Cortese's man and Cortese trusted him, You have to outwardly show a positive face even when players are harping on. he made a few gaffs but he also said they would do all they could to keep players as add end to saying no one would leave they didn't want to go. Several times they hinted on the fact if a player wanted to go there was not much they could do. The one positive is that the club have not moved to willingly sell them they have tried to keep them. it would be a different matter if we were off loading players to get the money and it was going out of the club to the owners pockets as it does at some clubs. Kruger Walked into a situation he was new to and a media and made some very unfortunate and silly comments and one would hope that he has learnt a very harsh lesson about what he says or at least how he says it. The truth is there before fans eyes if the club was in financial trouble they would not be plowing all the player money back into the club. This is without doubt an end of an era for the club but it is not the end of the dream and we may well have to tread water this season whilst we re- organize. As for Lovren don't, his attitude stinks. milton road
  • Score: 11

1:46pm Fri 11 Jul 14

centre circle says...

What gaffe ? The comments made in April by Reed and Kreuger were for damage limitation purposes. I cant believe that they didn't know what was going on but....they needed to sell season tickets !! Had I known then what I do now I would have thought twice before spending all that cash.
What gaffe ? The comments made in April by Reed and Kreuger were for damage limitation purposes. I cant believe that they didn't know what was going on but....they needed to sell season tickets !! Had I known then what I do now I would have thought twice before spending all that cash. centre circle
  • Score: -7

2:05pm Fri 11 Jul 14

NC Fan4Life says...

DE have got this right, Les R & Ralph K will have been embarrassed and learnt a lessen because they were clearly out of touch with the players at that time, that is why they have not said much since.

However give them credit for appointing the Koeman Brothers and other quality staff. Saints now have a much stronger and professional set up to match other big clubs.

So now to the all important first team squad. We were probably looking to replace Ricky at some stage this season so no problem with him leaving to end his career where it started at his home town club. His five seasons with us were an immense part of us getting back to the Prem.

Luke could or should have given us one more season but then we were unlikely to be able to retain him when real big money comes in (hope we have a good sell on clause).

Adam is the one who should not have been allowed to leave, he was our captain and potentially the next talisman since Le Tiss. It was not that good financially with a third going to B'mouth. Had Adam been kept Lovern & Morgan may not have 'itchy feet'.

The best new signing now is for Morgan to sign an improved contract and be made captain.

As for Lovren I am sure that RonKo will spell out the facts of life to him in no uncertain terms resulting him apologizing or kicked straight out the door. There are good dutch & other CB's that we can replace him with and make a profit on him.

Therefore only three gone & hopefully that is it unless RonKo wants to sell. We have one in so far and hopefully the other 6 or 7 to follow soon. So things are not as bad as it might seem, sorting the playing staff asap to give a chance to knit them together and hit the season running.

COYR&WS.
DE have got this right, Les R & Ralph K will have been embarrassed and learnt a lessen because they were clearly out of touch with the players at that time, that is why they have not said much since. However give them credit for appointing the Koeman Brothers and other quality staff. Saints now have a much stronger and professional set up to match other big clubs. So now to the all important first team squad. We were probably looking to replace Ricky at some stage this season so no problem with him leaving to end his career where it started at his home town club. His five seasons with us were an immense part of us getting back to the Prem. Luke could or should have given us one more season but then we were unlikely to be able to retain him when real big money comes in (hope we have a good sell on clause). Adam is the one who should not have been allowed to leave, he was our captain and potentially the next talisman since Le Tiss. It was not that good financially with a third going to B'mouth. Had Adam been kept Lovern & Morgan may not have 'itchy feet'. The best new signing now is for Morgan to sign an improved contract and be made captain. As for Lovren I am sure that RonKo will spell out the facts of life to him in no uncertain terms resulting him apologizing or kicked straight out the door. There are good dutch & other CB's that we can replace him with and make a profit on him. Therefore only three gone & hopefully that is it unless RonKo wants to sell. We have one in so far and hopefully the other 6 or 7 to follow soon. So things are not as bad as it might seem, sorting the playing staff asap to give a chance to knit them together and hit the season running. COYR&WS. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 5

2:25pm Fri 11 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

Football is like show business, fickle, disloyal and dishonest…

Other sports often dope and cheat in various way HOWEVER the sheer corporate sponsership and tv rights make this a 'sport' beyond compare for bad and occassionally good…

…with this in mind it simply is not a very well suited place for 'outsiders'…Wupert eventually caught a cold, his acolyte Clive Woodward was out of his depth etc etc..

RK is following in the same footsteps, this is a sharp edged 'racket' and you need to be on your game and know your game not sure our present board 'get it'.
Football is like show business, fickle, disloyal and dishonest… Other sports often dope and cheat in various way HOWEVER the sheer corporate sponsership and tv rights make this a 'sport' beyond compare for bad and occassionally good… …with this in mind it simply is not a very well suited place for 'outsiders'…Wupert eventually caught a cold, his acolyte Clive Woodward was out of his depth etc etc.. RK is following in the same footsteps, this is a sharp edged 'racket' and you need to be on your game and know your game not sure our present board 'get it'. warrens 76
  • Score: 2

2:27pm Fri 11 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
DE have got this right, Les R & Ralph K will have been embarrassed and learnt a lessen because they were clearly out of touch with the players at that time, that is why they have not said much since.

However give them credit for appointing the Koeman Brothers and other quality staff. Saints now have a much stronger and professional set up to match other big clubs.

So now to the all important first team squad. We were probably looking to replace Ricky at some stage this season so no problem with him leaving to end his career where it started at his home town club. His five seasons with us were an immense part of us getting back to the Prem.

Luke could or should have given us one more season but then we were unlikely to be able to retain him when real big money comes in (hope we have a good sell on clause).

Adam is the one who should not have been allowed to leave, he was our captain and potentially the next talisman since Le Tiss. It was not that good financially with a third going to B'mouth. Had Adam been kept Lovern & Morgan may not have 'itchy feet'.

The best new signing now is for Morgan to sign an improved contract and be made captain.

As for Lovren I am sure that RonKo will spell out the facts of life to him in no uncertain terms resulting him apologizing or kicked straight out the door. There are good dutch & other CB's that we can replace him with and make a profit on him.

Therefore only three gone & hopefully that is it unless RonKo wants to sell. We have one in so far and hopefully the other 6 or 7 to follow soon. So things are not as bad as it might seem, sorting the playing staff asap to give a chance to knit them together and hit the season running.

COYR&WS.
I think your last paragraph is not as positive as you seem to think re read it!
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: DE have got this right, Les R & Ralph K will have been embarrassed and learnt a lessen because they were clearly out of touch with the players at that time, that is why they have not said much since. However give them credit for appointing the Koeman Brothers and other quality staff. Saints now have a much stronger and professional set up to match other big clubs. So now to the all important first team squad. We were probably looking to replace Ricky at some stage this season so no problem with him leaving to end his career where it started at his home town club. His five seasons with us were an immense part of us getting back to the Prem. Luke could or should have given us one more season but then we were unlikely to be able to retain him when real big money comes in (hope we have a good sell on clause). Adam is the one who should not have been allowed to leave, he was our captain and potentially the next talisman since Le Tiss. It was not that good financially with a third going to B'mouth. Had Adam been kept Lovern & Morgan may not have 'itchy feet'. The best new signing now is for Morgan to sign an improved contract and be made captain. As for Lovren I am sure that RonKo will spell out the facts of life to him in no uncertain terms resulting him apologizing or kicked straight out the door. There are good dutch & other CB's that we can replace him with and make a profit on him. Therefore only three gone & hopefully that is it unless RonKo wants to sell. We have one in so far and hopefully the other 6 or 7 to follow soon. So things are not as bad as it might seem, sorting the playing staff asap to give a chance to knit them together and hit the season running. COYR&WS.[/p][/quote]I think your last paragraph is not as positive as you seem to think re read it! warrens 76
  • Score: 0

2:28pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Salalal says...

Good article. I guess we are all hoping that Koeman can wrest control of the decision-making from the man who seems to be behind most of the things that have gone wrong at the Club recently: Les Reed.
Good article. I guess we are all hoping that Koeman can wrest control of the decision-making from the man who seems to be behind most of the things that have gone wrong at the Club recently: Les Reed. Salalal
  • Score: -3

5:29pm Fri 11 Jul 14

fasteddie49 says...

Shareholder wrote:
pitbull wrote:
When Les Reed made his statement in April he was under the impression that the previous manager was staying as they were talking about the future, and at that time what Les Reed was saying was the truth.
The previous manager bullcr4pped Mr Reed, the club, the fans and led everyone up the garden path.
I also bet that Mr Reed did not envisage the disgraceful behaviour of our captain or Lovren.
Lambert was sold out of respect, bearing in mind he was being sold to West Ham in January.
Shaw and Lallana wanted out and Les Reed got some outstanding deals on them, the same as he will with Lovren and possibly Schneiderlin, and who's to say that Ronald Koeman didn't have an input into the sales of Lallana and Shaw.
Ralph Kreuger and Les Reed could have done and said things a bit differently I will agree, but in the main they have done what they said they would, so far.

It's about time we moved on from the previous chairman, manager and players, it's done, they've gone, lets move on and support the club, Ronald Koeman and the players that will wear the famous red'n'white.
Well put. What did the Echo expect Reed and Kreuger to say, 'yes everyone's leaving the club'? Can you imagine that? Of course not. I'm totally happy with the way the Board have handled matters. The Echo is totally wrong when it says clubs weren't given a straight 'not for sale' answer when they enquired about players. It's very clear that's exactly what happened but the spoilt brats stamped their little feet and the agents threatened. So Reed then played hard ball over the fees and got some great deals. Everything that's happened since has been right and good for the club. And let's not get above ourselves. At the moment we're a good mid table club that wants to go higher. There are about 8 or more clubs thinking the same. With our owner and our Board I'd say we've got the best chance of any of them to succeed in that quest. Or would the numpties who want the club to be sold rather take the risk with another Tan or Glazer? I think I can safely say I'm with the majority in thinking we're lucky to have want we've got and long may they stay. One last thing. With such an upheaval to a squad it may be a while for the new players to click so we may not start off too well next season. We may on the other hand get off to a flyer. But if we don't let's not get on everyone's backs. It's been a tough summer so let's give Koeman and the boys a bit of slack and the time to get it right. The future is, I'm sure, a bright one.
Two good comments. We should support the Board, Manager and players. I for one believe Les Reed is doing a good job in very difficult circumstances not of this Board's making.
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pitbull[/bold] wrote: When Les Reed made his statement in April he was under the impression that the previous manager was staying as they were talking about the future, and at that time what Les Reed was saying was the truth. The previous manager bullcr4pped Mr Reed, the club, the fans and led everyone up the garden path. I also bet that Mr Reed did not envisage the disgraceful behaviour of our captain or Lovren. Lambert was sold out of respect, bearing in mind he was being sold to West Ham in January. Shaw and Lallana wanted out and Les Reed got some outstanding deals on them, the same as he will with Lovren and possibly Schneiderlin, and who's to say that Ronald Koeman didn't have an input into the sales of Lallana and Shaw. Ralph Kreuger and Les Reed could have done and said things a bit differently I will agree, but in the main they have done what they said they would, so far. It's about time we moved on from the previous chairman, manager and players, it's done, they've gone, lets move on and support the club, Ronald Koeman and the players that will wear the famous red'n'white.[/p][/quote]Well put. What did the Echo expect Reed and Kreuger to say, 'yes everyone's leaving the club'? Can you imagine that? Of course not. I'm totally happy with the way the Board have handled matters. The Echo is totally wrong when it says clubs weren't given a straight 'not for sale' answer when they enquired about players. It's very clear that's exactly what happened but the spoilt brats stamped their little feet and the agents threatened. So Reed then played hard ball over the fees and got some great deals. Everything that's happened since has been right and good for the club. And let's not get above ourselves. At the moment we're a good mid table club that wants to go higher. There are about 8 or more clubs thinking the same. With our owner and our Board I'd say we've got the best chance of any of them to succeed in that quest. Or would the numpties who want the club to be sold rather take the risk with another Tan or Glazer? I think I can safely say I'm with the majority in thinking we're lucky to have want we've got and long may they stay. One last thing. With such an upheaval to a squad it may be a while for the new players to click so we may not start off too well next season. We may on the other hand get off to a flyer. But if we don't let's not get on everyone's backs. It's been a tough summer so let's give Koeman and the boys a bit of slack and the time to get it right. The future is, I'm sure, a bright one.[/p][/quote]Two good comments. We should support the Board, Manager and players. I for one believe Les Reed is doing a good job in very difficult circumstances not of this Board's making. fasteddie49
  • Score: 2

5:38pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Shareholder says...

centre circle wrote:
What gaffe ? The comments made in April by Reed and Kreuger were for damage limitation purposes. I cant believe that they didn't know what was going on but....they needed to sell season tickets !! Had I known then what I do now I would have thought twice before spending all that cash.
I've had a season ticket for 38 years and seen far worse times than these, excruciatingly worse! I never once considered not buying my ticket. I can't imagine not spending Saturdays at St Mary's whatever division or league we're in. It's the experience of those awful years, especially the Lowe/Wise era, that have made the last five years so special. Through thick and thin, good and bad, success and failure I'll be there!
[quote][p][bold]centre circle[/bold] wrote: What gaffe ? The comments made in April by Reed and Kreuger were for damage limitation purposes. I cant believe that they didn't know what was going on but....they needed to sell season tickets !! Had I known then what I do now I would have thought twice before spending all that cash.[/p][/quote]I've had a season ticket for 38 years and seen far worse times than these, excruciatingly worse! I never once considered not buying my ticket. I can't imagine not spending Saturdays at St Mary's whatever division or league we're in. It's the experience of those awful years, especially the Lowe/Wise era, that have made the last five years so special. Through thick and thin, good and bad, success and failure I'll be there! Shareholder
  • Score: 5

6:10pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Costa Baz says...

When Reed made his original statement, about not needing to sell players, he did it, IMO, for three reasons.

1. Because, at the time, we didn't need to sell.
2. Because the club were backing Poshitino and trying to get him to stay, and this was one way of showing him support.
3. Because they didn't want Poshitino to use player sales as a reason for phishing off and blaming them for the often stated "lack of ambition".

However, circumstances change and Poshitino's attitude, stringing the club along, discussing pre-season and new signings completely undermined the club.
Rumours of a clique, in the squad, have been uttered and now seem to be evident, with several high profile players wanting to leave. A senior pro, at the club, has accused said clique of not giving 100%, towards the back end of last season.

Having said that, bad news sells newspapers, or in the internet world, generate money through hits on advertising. With all the positivity, of late, profits were probably down, so cue the bad news story.
When Reed made his original statement, about not needing to sell players, he did it, IMO, for three reasons. 1. Because, at the time, we didn't need to sell. 2. Because the club were backing Poshitino and trying to get him to stay, and this was one way of showing him support. 3. Because they didn't want Poshitino to use player sales as a reason for phishing off and blaming them for the often stated "lack of ambition". However, circumstances change and Poshitino's attitude, stringing the club along, discussing pre-season and new signings completely undermined the club. Rumours of a clique, in the squad, have been uttered and now seem to be evident, with several high profile players wanting to leave. A senior pro, at the club, has accused said clique of not giving 100%, towards the back end of last season. Having said that, bad news sells newspapers, or in the internet world, generate money through hits on advertising. With all the positivity, of late, profits were probably down, so cue the bad news story. Costa Baz
  • Score: 2

8:32pm Fri 11 Jul 14

F Fan says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Why were all the "want away"players sold so quickly? The transfer window had only just opened and we lost 3.
This was of huge benefit to Liverpool and man utd as they got the player in early to gel and settle in,what about us? We let them go without any replacements recruited or lined up judging by the targets we are now going for.we are now in a very weak bargaining position.we will have to pay over the odds for average players like pelle.these players were contracted and could have been granted their moves on the proviso we were given time to recruit their replacement.lovren will go and so will Morgan and les will sell them without us getting in their replacement.
Avoiding relegation will be an achievement in itself this year.
Some people think supporting your club is about agreeing with everything the club does and just saying positive things which no one really believes.i believe it's also about calling them to account and questioning their decisions.people are not the club,managers are not the club, chairmen are not the club.the supporters are the club.
Support the club not the board.
Er .. Lalanna has been replaced.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Why were all the "want away"players sold so quickly? The transfer window had only just opened and we lost 3. This was of huge benefit to Liverpool and man utd as they got the player in early to gel and settle in,what about us? We let them go without any replacements recruited or lined up judging by the targets we are now going for.we are now in a very weak bargaining position.we will have to pay over the odds for average players like pelle.these players were contracted and could have been granted their moves on the proviso we were given time to recruit their replacement.lovren will go and so will Morgan and les will sell them without us getting in their replacement. Avoiding relegation will be an achievement in itself this year. Some people think supporting your club is about agreeing with everything the club does and just saying positive things which no one really believes.i believe it's also about calling them to account and questioning their decisions.people are not the club,managers are not the club, chairmen are not the club.the supporters are the club. Support the club not the board.[/p][/quote]Er .. Lalanna has been replaced. F Fan
  • Score: 2

6:20am Sat 12 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

F Fan wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Why were all the "want away"players sold so quickly? The transfer window had only just opened and we lost 3.
This was of huge benefit to Liverpool and man utd as they got the player in early to gel and settle in,what about us? We let them go without any replacements recruited or lined up judging by the targets we are now going for.we are now in a very weak bargaining position.we will have to pay over the odds for average players like pelle.these players were contracted and could have been granted their moves on the proviso we were given time to recruit their replacement.lovren will go and so will Morgan and les will sell them without us getting in their replacement.
Avoiding relegation will be an achievement in itself this year.
Some people think supporting your club is about agreeing with everything the club does and just saying positive things which no one really believes.i believe it's also about calling them to account and questioning their decisions.people are not the club,managers are not the club, chairmen are not the club.the supporters are the club.
Support the club not the board.
Er .. Lalanna has been replaced.
Errr after he left.so we pay more
Err are you normal?
[quote][p][bold]F Fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Why were all the "want away"players sold so quickly? The transfer window had only just opened and we lost 3. This was of huge benefit to Liverpool and man utd as they got the player in early to gel and settle in,what about us? We let them go without any replacements recruited or lined up judging by the targets we are now going for.we are now in a very weak bargaining position.we will have to pay over the odds for average players like pelle.these players were contracted and could have been granted their moves on the proviso we were given time to recruit their replacement.lovren will go and so will Morgan and les will sell them without us getting in their replacement. Avoiding relegation will be an achievement in itself this year. Some people think supporting your club is about agreeing with everything the club does and just saying positive things which no one really believes.i believe it's also about calling them to account and questioning their decisions.people are not the club,managers are not the club, chairmen are not the club.the supporters are the club. Support the club not the board.[/p][/quote]Er .. Lalanna has been replaced.[/p][/quote]Errr after he left.so we pay more Err are you normal? Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -1

9:57am Sat 12 Jul 14

Simmo13 says...

DE as a local paper you are a disgrace to the local football supporters of SFC and its community, why is that you continue to peddle so much negativity to us knowing full well we have all had such a gut full of the whole situation this summer. You the local and the national media are the main culprits for destabilising players and staff but with SFC you can't stop there you just continue and it's morally wrong and a disgrace doing such a disservice to us to do so as you seem to. I visit towns and cities all over the UK in my job and it amazes me to read their local papers to see just how much they support their local teams and communities but certainly not you the DE because your agenda seems to be to destroy what we have built and achieved which in reality is nothing short of a miracle in today's modern game. It seems to me no matter who SFC brought in you would find a negative slant on it so SFC are never going to win no matter what they do.
So if you cannot report decent constructive information to the supporters and the community please write just about about the PFCs of this world and leave SFC alone because I'm sure you would find a good headline or two about them !
And by the way can you remove that Argentinians name off the page he no longer is of any interest to decent hard working SFC supporters you take great delight in betraying week in week out with rubbish about such a poorly run, out of their depth, with an inexperienced board that have no right to mix with the big clubs as we do !
DE as a local paper you are a disgrace to the local football supporters of SFC and its community, why is that you continue to peddle so much negativity to us knowing full well we have all had such a gut full of the whole situation this summer. You the local and the national media are the main culprits for destabilising players and staff but with SFC you can't stop there you just continue and it's morally wrong and a disgrace doing such a disservice to us to do so as you seem to. I visit towns and cities all over the UK in my job and it amazes me to read their local papers to see just how much they support their local teams and communities but certainly not you the DE because your agenda seems to be to destroy what we have built and achieved which in reality is nothing short of a miracle in today's modern game. It seems to me no matter who SFC brought in you would find a negative slant on it so SFC are never going to win no matter what they do. So if you cannot report decent constructive information to the supporters and the community please write just about about the PFCs of this world and leave SFC alone because I'm sure you would find a good headline or two about them ! And by the way can you remove that Argentinians name off the page he no longer is of any interest to decent hard working SFC supporters you take great delight in betraying week in week out with rubbish about such a poorly run, out of their depth, with an inexperienced board that have no right to mix with the big clubs as we do ! Simmo13
  • Score: 0

10:06am Sat 12 Jul 14

Simmo13 says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
F Fan wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Why were all the "want away"players sold so quickly? The transfer window had only just opened and we lost 3.
This was of huge benefit to Liverpool and man utd as they got the player in early to gel and settle in,what about us? We let them go without any replacements recruited or lined up judging by the targets we are now going for.we are now in a very weak bargaining position.we will have to pay over the odds for average players like pelle.these players were contracted and could have been granted their moves on the proviso we were given time to recruit their replacement.lovren will go and so will Morgan and les will sell them without us getting in their replacement.
Avoiding relegation will be an achievement in itself this year.
Some people think supporting your club is about agreeing with everything the club does and just saying positive things which no one really believes.i believe it's also about calling them to account and questioning their decisions.people are not the club,managers are not the club, chairmen are not the club.the supporters are the club.
Support the club not the board.
Er .. Lalanna has been replaced.
Errr after he left.so we pay more
Err are you normal?
Theres an easy answer there because we had a manager that knew exactly what game he was playing and what he did was nothing short of betrayal to loyal supporters, he and he alone unsettled those players and made sure their heads were turned. Great passing and possession game I watched every week but we were crying out for more goals and he had no idea of a plan B, think he will find the supporters behind him now will be less patient !
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]F Fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Why were all the "want away"players sold so quickly? The transfer window had only just opened and we lost 3. This was of huge benefit to Liverpool and man utd as they got the player in early to gel and settle in,what about us? We let them go without any replacements recruited or lined up judging by the targets we are now going for.we are now in a very weak bargaining position.we will have to pay over the odds for average players like pelle.these players were contracted and could have been granted their moves on the proviso we were given time to recruit their replacement.lovren will go and so will Morgan and les will sell them without us getting in their replacement. Avoiding relegation will be an achievement in itself this year. Some people think supporting your club is about agreeing with everything the club does and just saying positive things which no one really believes.i believe it's also about calling them to account and questioning their decisions.people are not the club,managers are not the club, chairmen are not the club.the supporters are the club. Support the club not the board.[/p][/quote]Er .. Lalanna has been replaced.[/p][/quote]Errr after he left.so we pay more Err are you normal?[/p][/quote]Theres an easy answer there because we had a manager that knew exactly what game he was playing and what he did was nothing short of betrayal to loyal supporters, he and he alone unsettled those players and made sure their heads were turned. Great passing and possession game I watched every week but we were crying out for more goals and he had no idea of a plan B, think he will find the supporters behind him now will be less patient ! Simmo13
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