COMMENT: Lovren not fit to lace his new boss' boots

Basingstoke Gazette: DEJAN LOVREN DEJAN LOVREN

ANOTHER day, another bombshell announcement from a Saints player akin to a knife through the heart of everyone who loves the club.

First off, fans had to listen to Adam Lallana last week revealing he was dreaming of playing for Liverpool in the last few weeks of the 2013/14 season when he should have been concentrating 100 per cent on captaining the club that paid his wages.

If that was bad enough, yesterday wantaway centre half Dejan Lovren spoke even more astonishing words.

“I realised I’ve got no business staying at Southampton ... frankly, my head is already at Liverpool,” he commented with regards to Saints failing to inform him of some bids for his services.

He added: “Look, I’d gladly stay in Southampton if the club had any ambitions, if they kept the key players.

“[If that had happened] not even the Liverpool bid would have dissuaded me.”

Lovren was also quoted as saying ex-chairman Nicola Cortese and boss Mauricio Pochettino “gave me assurances about the project ... they gave me incredible confidence.”

The Croatian, unspectacular in the World Cup where his country went out at the group stage, also claimed he knew Pochettino was leaving in April.

Lovren’s comments regarding his desire to follow Rickie Lambert and Lallana to Liverpool raise more questions than they answer.

To start with, what “assurances” did Cortese give him?

That Saints, a club preparing to start only their second Premier League season since 2005, would seriously challenge for the Champions League places within one or two years?

Was Cortese really telling new signings that he was confident Saints could reach the top four – despite finishing over 30 points adrift of that group in 2012/13?

Even last season, when Saints finished eighth, they were as many points adrift of fourth placed Arsenal (23) as they were above third from bottom Norwich.

To put more bluntly, Saints were as close to the relegation area in 2013/14 as they were to the Champions League places.

And that was with a squad generally lauded as the best in the club’s Premier League history!

Crystal Palace were closer to Saints in points than Saints were to the club that finished two places above them, Tottenham.

Did Dani Osvaldo and Victor Wanyama sign for Saints because they, too, were told that the Champions League was a realistic prospect for a club that a few years earlier were playing in the third division?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with showing ambition, but in the Premier League it has to be tempered with a healthy dose of realism.

Secondly, what does Lovren mean when he says “look, I’d gladly stay in Southampton if the club had any ambitions, if they kept the key players.”

For Goodness sake, the club have just appointed Ronald Koeman as manager, a legend with a far better footballing CV – both as a player and a manager – than the now eulogised Pochettino turned up at St Mary’s clutching.

Koeman is respected worldwide as one of the best centre halves of the last 30 years.

Lovren is a centre half, and not one that is yet good enough to lace Koeman’s boots as a player.

To come out with the nonsense he has, without even having met his new manager yet, shows a phenomenal lack of respect that is genuinely shocking.

“If the club had any ambitions.”

What does he mean?

They have spent many millions on updating their training base at Staplewood, in addition to almost £70m on new players in two years.

They have just appointed the biggest name manager in their history.

The players leaving St Mary’s are not signing for West Ham or Stoke City.

They are signing for Liverpool and Manchester United, two of the biggest names in world football, the two most successful English clubs ever.

“If they kept the key players.”

Manchester United could not keep their “key player” when they sold Ronaldo to Real Madrid.

Arsenal cannot keep their “key players” when clubs with more money come calling.

Liverpool cannot keep their “key player” when Barcelona offer £70m.

Big clubs, far bigger clubs than Saints, cannot keep their “key players” all the time.

So does Dejan Lovren sit on his sofa thinking ‘I wonder why Southampton cannot keep their top players when Manchester United and Liverpool are keen to sign them? It must show a lack of ambition.’ If he does think that, then he is by far the most deluded footballer to ever pull on the club’s shirt, as well as a foreign mercenary showing a disgraceful lack of respect to his employers.

Is Lovren freely playing the ‘lack of ambition’ card to mask his own greed, because Liverpool can obviously pay him more than Saints can?

If he was so keen to play in the Champions League, then why leave Lyon (where he had played CL football) in the summer of 2013 and sign for a club that had just finished 14th in the Premier League?

Answer that one, Dejan.

As always with Saints, it is fascinating to read the comments by fans on the Echo’s own website.

Lovren cannot be surprised – or perhaps he is, who knows? – by the torrent of abuse he received online yesterday.

There is also the line of thought being peddled by some fans that this exodus would never have happened had Cortese stayed as chairman.

Cortese himself said as much when he gave a rare interview a few months ago.

Of course, we will never know whether Lambert, Shaw and Lallana would have left within weeks of each other, and whether Lovren and Morgan Schneiderlin will also depart, had Cortese stayed.

It seems unlikely, though.

You cannot tell me Luke Shaw would have turned down a move to Old Trafford just because Nicola Cortese was Saints’ chairman.

Are we really to believe that Rickie Lambert and Adam Lallana would have preferred to stay at St Mary’s rather than move to Anfield?

Perhaps I’m doing them a disservice, though. Perhaps they would have stayed put.

In which case Cortese would have deservedly been acclaimed as some kind of footballing alchemist.

But I don’t know for certain.

Nobody knows for certain, apart from the players and none of them have yet said ‘I would have stayed had Cortese still been chairman’.

Don’t hold your breath. None of them will say that.

Let us not rewrite history just yet to say that Nicola Cortese leaving was the catalyst for Saints’ phoenix-like post-administration revival to shatter into several thousand pieces.

Not until Ronald Koeman has had a chance to show what he can do with the millions banked from selling players who did not want to be at St Mary’s any more.

Comments (238)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

9:03am Mon 7 Jul 14

Mattyboysaints says...

I'm really excited and can't wait until the new season and here's why:-

1) Looking forward to seeing those turn coats fail at their new destinations, end of the day we finished 8th last term and their new teams will be expecting more.
2) counting down the days until Spurs sack POSH, we all know it will happen, the only question is which side of Xmas it will be.
3) Can't wait to watch the start of Super Ron's journey with the Saints and watch him build a side and see some new signing don the new red and white strips.
4) Looking forward to Ron & Louie have a bust up and the two teams competing for that last CPL place.
5) Looking forward to Ricci jogging over to the away Saints fans on the opening day and giving us all a clap, that you just know he means. AL can go F£&@ himself.
6) Looking forward to the Koeman brothers getting us play the Dutch way :-)
7) Looking forward to either a £25 million cheque for DL or watching him rot in the reserves.
8) Can't wait to buy my boy his third Saints shirt and the first time he will be wearing the true colours.
9) looking forward to Jay getting fit and returning to first team action.

What I'm trying to say Saints fans is that this is an amazing ride we are on and focus on the positives, cos there are loads and never a better time to be a SAINTS fan. COYS.
I'm really excited and can't wait until the new season and here's why:- 1) Looking forward to seeing those turn coats fail at their new destinations, end of the day we finished 8th last term and their new teams will be expecting more. 2) counting down the days until Spurs sack POSH, we all know it will happen, the only question is which side of Xmas it will be. 3) Can't wait to watch the start of Super Ron's journey with the Saints and watch him build a side and see some new signing don the new red and white strips. 4) Looking forward to Ron & Louie have a bust up and the two teams competing for that last CPL place. 5) Looking forward to Ricci jogging over to the away Saints fans on the opening day and giving us all a clap, that you just know he means. AL can go F£&@ himself. 6) Looking forward to the Koeman brothers getting us play the Dutch way :-) 7) Looking forward to either a £25 million cheque for DL or watching him rot in the reserves. 8) Can't wait to buy my boy his third Saints shirt and the first time he will be wearing the true colours. 9) looking forward to Jay getting fit and returning to first team action. What I'm trying to say Saints fans is that this is an amazing ride we are on and focus on the positives, cos there are loads and never a better time to be a SAINTS fan. COYS. Mattyboysaints
  • Score: 350

9:16am Mon 7 Jul 14

Kingofkings00 says...

i,m sorry but saints does not need this crap get rid of him!!!
i,m sorry but saints does not need this crap get rid of him!!! Kingofkings00
  • Score: 111

9:20am Mon 7 Jul 14

circa 66 saint says...

Keep Lovren,put him on the bench at best and see if he wants to play, if he does then great if not then pay him his contracted wages every week in cash and all £1-00 coins. That should keep him busy.
Keep Lovren,put him on the bench at best and see if he wants to play, if he does then great if not then pay him his contracted wages every week in cash and all £1-00 coins. That should keep him busy. circa 66 saint
  • Score: 69

9:20am Mon 7 Jul 14

richard903 says...

Dejan, this is a family club, we took you in and loved you like one of our own. And in reply you treat us with disrespect! This we will not forget or forgive. For me Dejan sleeps with the fishes
Dejan, this is a family club, we took you in and loved you like one of our own. And in reply you treat us with disrespect! This we will not forget or forgive. For me Dejan sleeps with the fishes richard903
  • Score: 156

9:21am Mon 7 Jul 14

Dubai-saints89 says...

probably one of the best things I've read on here in a while. well put. just need someone to tell this to Lovren himself so he knows what an idiot hes made himself look. good riddance.
i will always remember his performance against spurs. it explained why he wasn't liked at Lyon.
probably one of the best things I've read on here in a while. well put. just need someone to tell this to Lovren himself so he knows what an idiot hes made himself look. good riddance. i will always remember his performance against spurs. it explained why he wasn't liked at Lyon. Dubai-saints89
  • Score: 178

9:22am Mon 7 Jul 14

andoru says...

The constant barrage of bad news is starting to get to me to be honest. I'm on the edge of breaking down completely. None of it makes any sense.
The constant barrage of bad news is starting to get to me to be honest. I'm on the edge of breaking down completely. None of it makes any sense. andoru
  • Score: -51

9:24am Mon 7 Jul 14

St Van Roetford says...

Mattyboysaints wrote:
I'm really excited and can't wait until the new season and here's why:-

1) Looking forward to seeing those turn coats fail at their new destinations, end of the day we finished 8th last term and their new teams will be expecting more.
2) counting down the days until Spurs sack POSH, we all know it will happen, the only question is which side of Xmas it will be.
3) Can't wait to watch the start of Super Ron's journey with the Saints and watch him build a side and see some new signing don the new red and white strips.
4) Looking forward to Ron & Louie have a bust up and the two teams competing for that last CPL place.
5) Looking forward to Ricci jogging over to the away Saints fans on the opening day and giving us all a clap, that you just know he means. AL can go F£&@ himself.
6) Looking forward to the Koeman brothers getting us play the Dutch way :-)
7) Looking forward to either a £25 million cheque for DL or watching him rot in the reserves.
8) Can't wait to buy my boy his third Saints shirt and the first time he will be wearing the true colours.
9) looking forward to Jay getting fit and returning to first team action.

What I'm trying to say Saints fans is that this is an amazing ride we are on and focus on the positives, cos there are loads and never a better time to be a SAINTS fan. COYS.
10) The new lights. Seriously, I can't wait to see the new lights.
[quote][p][bold]Mattyboysaints[/bold] wrote: I'm really excited and can't wait until the new season and here's why:- 1) Looking forward to seeing those turn coats fail at their new destinations, end of the day we finished 8th last term and their new teams will be expecting more. 2) counting down the days until Spurs sack POSH, we all know it will happen, the only question is which side of Xmas it will be. 3) Can't wait to watch the start of Super Ron's journey with the Saints and watch him build a side and see some new signing don the new red and white strips. 4) Looking forward to Ron & Louie have a bust up and the two teams competing for that last CPL place. 5) Looking forward to Ricci jogging over to the away Saints fans on the opening day and giving us all a clap, that you just know he means. AL can go F£&@ himself. 6) Looking forward to the Koeman brothers getting us play the Dutch way :-) 7) Looking forward to either a £25 million cheque for DL or watching him rot in the reserves. 8) Can't wait to buy my boy his third Saints shirt and the first time he will be wearing the true colours. 9) looking forward to Jay getting fit and returning to first team action. What I'm trying to say Saints fans is that this is an amazing ride we are on and focus on the positives, cos there are loads and never a better time to be a SAINTS fan. COYS.[/p][/quote]10) The new lights. Seriously, I can't wait to see the new lights. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 77

9:26am Mon 7 Jul 14

Dubai-saints89 says...

andoru wrote:
The constant barrage of bad news is starting to get to me to be honest. I'm on the edge of breaking down completely. None of it makes any sense.
it isn't really bad news is it. we've replaced Pochettino with a man who was 10 times the player and manager Pochettino ever was. already a good start.
the sale of Luke Shaw and Lallana was coming, they might have been our key players but we've made silly amount of profit from them and on top of that, they are replaceable. its not like we've lost Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi. those players are irreplaceable.
i just hope Koeman uses the money wisely. only time will tell though
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: The constant barrage of bad news is starting to get to me to be honest. I'm on the edge of breaking down completely. None of it makes any sense.[/p][/quote]it isn't really bad news is it. we've replaced Pochettino with a man who was 10 times the player and manager Pochettino ever was. already a good start. the sale of Luke Shaw and Lallana was coming, they might have been our key players but we've made silly amount of profit from them and on top of that, they are replaceable. its not like we've lost Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi. those players are irreplaceable. i just hope Koeman uses the money wisely. only time will tell though Dubai-saints89
  • Score: 119

9:30am Mon 7 Jul 14

lutterworthsaint says...

Wow! This is more like it, Daily Echo! I'm impressed! Telling it like it is!

It is going to be a brilliant season. Forster / Marshall, van Dijk, Armero / Kolo / Roberston, Tadic, Pelle, Ings to come in. Also, let's not forget we already have a brilliant squad of talented players. This is the season for Reed, Gallagher, McQueen and others to push for the first team on a regular basis.

We thought is was good before - it is going to get even better!
Wow! This is more like it, Daily Echo! I'm impressed! Telling it like it is! It is going to be a brilliant season. Forster / Marshall, van Dijk, Armero / Kolo / Roberston, Tadic, Pelle, Ings to come in. Also, let's not forget we already have a brilliant squad of talented players. This is the season for Reed, Gallagher, McQueen and others to push for the first team on a regular basis. We thought is was good before - it is going to get even better! lutterworthsaint
  • Score: 148

9:31am Mon 7 Jul 14

insane saint says...

richard903 wrote:
Dejan, this is a family club, we took you in and loved you like one of our own. And in reply you treat us with disrespect! This we will not forget or forgive. For me Dejan sleeps with the fishes
now that is low sleeping with the blue few owch................
[quote][p][bold]richard903[/bold] wrote: Dejan, this is a family club, we took you in and loved you like one of our own. And in reply you treat us with disrespect! This we will not forget or forgive. For me Dejan sleeps with the fishes[/p][/quote]now that is low sleeping with the blue few owch................ insane saint
  • Score: 23

9:31am Mon 7 Jul 14

White and red till dead says...

Great article with some good points (and barbs!). Good to see the DE at last getting behind the club. Should be a great season. COYRs.
Great article with some good points (and barbs!). Good to see the DE at last getting behind the club. Should be a great season. COYRs. White and red till dead
  • Score: 99

9:34am Mon 7 Jul 14

Beer Monster says...

Good article, although there's a pretty good reason why Liverpool can't (or should that be won't?) keep hold of their key player, hence why they're happy to poach the cream of our crop.

Looking forward to see who we sign under the new management, and as long as the sale of my house goes through smoothly, a few weekend trips across the UK to see the lads play.

Keep the faith
COYR
Good article, although there's a pretty good reason why Liverpool can't (or should that be won't?) keep hold of their key player, hence why they're happy to poach the cream of our crop. Looking forward to see who we sign under the new management, and as long as the sale of my house goes through smoothly, a few weekend trips across the UK to see the lads play. Keep the faith COYR Beer Monster
  • Score: 25

9:35am Mon 7 Jul 14

Sambat says...

I would give Lovren to Bournemouth in return for the £6m we owe they for the other childish employee that left. He could then play at a more suitable level that befits his attitude. And we could add a £40m sell on clause so he can't move on.
But that would be mean to Bournemouth!
I would give Lovren to Bournemouth in return for the £6m we owe they for the other childish employee that left. He could then play at a more suitable level that befits his attitude. And we could add a £40m sell on clause so he can't move on. But that would be mean to Bournemouth! Sambat
  • Score: 37

9:36am Mon 7 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -104

9:37am Mon 7 Jul 14

Epsom Saint says...

Good article - thanks Echo.
Good article - thanks Echo. Epsom Saint
  • Score: 54

9:37am Mon 7 Jul 14

THEKILLER says...

It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football
That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego
It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego THEKILLER
  • Score: 55

9:38am Mon 7 Jul 14

Norwegian Saint says...

Lets hope this gets sorted soon. I also hope Osvaldos last move at this club is to kick the living daylights out of Lovren for the absolute disgraceful disrespectful comments yesterday.

I saw some Liverpool websites yesterday, most do not like the way he has conducted himself. He is not just a disgrace to Saints but the footballing community... HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME LOVREN!
Lets hope this gets sorted soon. I also hope Osvaldos last move at this club is to kick the living daylights out of Lovren for the absolute disgraceful disrespectful comments yesterday. I saw some Liverpool websites yesterday, most do not like the way he has conducted himself. He is not just a disgrace to Saints but the footballing community... HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME LOVREN! Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 84

9:38am Mon 7 Jul 14

Sheffieldsaint says...

What would be really funny would be Lovren failing his medical at smellypoo. He would have to return with his tail between his legs;which incidentally is where he keeps his brains. I can just imagine the response from the club and the fans.Welcome back to the prodigal son, I think not. If you are going to rubbish our club Lovren at least have the sense to do so after you sign your new contract you thick plank!!!!
What would be really funny would be Lovren failing his medical at smellypoo. He would have to return with his tail between his legs;which incidentally is where he keeps his brains. I can just imagine the response from the club and the fans.Welcome back to the prodigal son, I think not. If you are going to rubbish our club Lovren at least have the sense to do so after you sign your new contract you thick plank!!!! Sheffieldsaint
  • Score: 56

9:40am Mon 7 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

THEKILLER wrote:
It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football
That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego
We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.
[quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego[/p][/quote]We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business. Rising_Son
  • Score: 13

9:42am Mon 7 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

Good article espousing everything all us supportes feel regardless of who else may be to blame….

Never have I seen players so direspectul of any club who have done them no harm, what on earth are they doing, if they want to leave that is one thing but it seems that they want to ensure their leaving causes the maximum damage, I wonder as to the motives.

Nonetheless, strong board management in the abscence of a managr should have quelled this revolt, we may have had to let them go but the damage limitation should have been firmly in place.

ie "you can go for xyz provided you do not direspect the club or it's reputation…etc.

One thing is for sure Lallana and Lovren are going to know How Harry felt whenreturning to pompey with us.
Good article espousing everything all us supportes feel regardless of who else may be to blame…. Never have I seen players so direspectul of any club who have done them no harm, what on earth are they doing, if they want to leave that is one thing but it seems that they want to ensure their leaving causes the maximum damage, I wonder as to the motives. Nonetheless, strong board management in the abscence of a managr should have quelled this revolt, we may have had to let them go but the damage limitation should have been firmly in place. ie "you can go for xyz provided you do not direspect the club or it's reputation…etc. One thing is for sure Lallana and Lovren are going to know How Harry felt whenreturning to pompey with us. warrens 76
  • Score: 44

9:43am Mon 7 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

FIGHT AND WIN ...

LOVREN is estimated market value at £30 Million and CANNOT be sold for less than £25 Million .....

SFC will be in the mix and have the Ambition of EUROPEAN FOOTBALL - ALWAYS. (like everton) COYR+WS
FIGHT AND WIN ... LOVREN is estimated market value at £30 Million and CANNOT be sold for less than £25 Million ..... SFC will be in the mix and have the Ambition of EUROPEAN FOOTBALL - ALWAYS. (like everton) COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 9

9:46am Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
That was as good a post as it could be, as long as you understand what it is saying, almost up to Confuscious standards. Lovren said he doesn't know who the top man is, probably confused over the fact it is in fact a top woman? Or did he mean the Manager, did no one tell him RonKo got the job?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]That was as good a post as it could be, as long as you understand what it is saying, almost up to Confuscious standards. Lovren said he doesn't know who the top man is, probably confused over the fact it is in fact a top woman? Or did he mean the Manager, did no one tell him RonKo got the job? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 20

9:47am Mon 7 Jul 14

saintsfan76 says...

I still wonder how much of Lovren's comments are fuelled by his agent pushing for a move and a huge pay packet himself for over-seeing it. Agents are even greedier than footballers and dont always act in the best interest of the players that feel they have to use them. Feed a nice few juicy or unsavoury comments to the media and look out for the fireworks but not maybe for the move you think you need.
I still wonder how much of Lovren's comments are fuelled by his agent pushing for a move and a huge pay packet himself for over-seeing it. Agents are even greedier than footballers and dont always act in the best interest of the players that feel they have to use them. Feed a nice few juicy or unsavoury comments to the media and look out for the fireworks but not maybe for the move you think you need. saintsfan76
  • Score: 24

9:49am Mon 7 Jul 14

saintand266 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
This is true we can bring in quality replacements but if they have a good season with us the vultures will come sniffing around . If we quality for Europe then things might be different, players might want to stay but if we can only finish 8th or around there again then chances are they will be off .
I'm not saying finishing 8th in bad but if we want to start challenging for Europe then we need a settled squad that lasts a few seasons .
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]This is true we can bring in quality replacements but if they have a good season with us the vultures will come sniffing around . If we quality for Europe then things might be different, players might want to stay but if we can only finish 8th or around there again then chances are they will be off . I'm not saying finishing 8th in bad but if we want to start challenging for Europe then we need a settled squad that lasts a few seasons . saintand266
  • Score: 14

9:49am Mon 7 Jul 14

deepheat says...

Lovren, Shaw, Lallana and Lambert should be careful what they wish for. Not all those players we sold/selling are going to be successful at their new clubs.
Brenda Rogers record in the transfer market has been dire since taking over at Liverpooooh. Fabio Borini (£10.5m), Joe Allen (£15m) , Iago Aspas (£7.7m), Tiago Ilori (£7m), and Mamadou Sakho (£19m) are all flops at Anfield.
Lovren, Shaw, Lallana and Lambert should be careful what they wish for. Not all those players we sold/selling are going to be successful at their new clubs. Brenda Rogers record in the transfer market has been dire since taking over at Liverpooooh. Fabio Borini (£10.5m), Joe Allen (£15m) , Iago Aspas (£7.7m), Tiago Ilori (£7m), and Mamadou Sakho (£19m) are all flops at Anfield. deepheat
  • Score: 45

9:51am Mon 7 Jul 14

smuggins says...

I believe he created exactly the same situation at Lyon.So you could say the boys got form.
I believe he created exactly the same situation at Lyon.So you could say the boys got form. smuggins
  • Score: 32

9:55am Mon 7 Jul 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Dubai-saints89 wrote:
probably one of the best things I've read on here in a while. well put. just need someone to tell this to Lovren himself so he knows what an idiot hes made himself look. good riddance.
i will always remember his performance against spurs. it explained why he wasn't liked at Lyon.
True. I think Simon's article is the extended post many of us have been wanting to write on here for a while.

As for connections with Lovren's time at Lyon, as I posted yesterday, when he signed, I had a few concerns. He had a great season (2011-12, if my maths are right) and Barca were interested. Word has it, they were planning a mega bid but Lyon refused even to talk to Barca. The following season, he was ordinary - some gifted goals and penalties conceded, and he was sent off more than once. Lyon couldn't wait to offload him.

We got him cheaply but Lyon fans thought they had robbed us. History is in danger of repeating itself.

So, what was he telling Lyon this time 2 years' ago? One view is that he told them not to expect him to be committed - result, he was cr4p, was sold to Saints and Lyon lost out financially.

Thus, what is he now telling our Board? Of course we could let him rot, and we could even aim for reconciliation (it does happen!), but the financially most astute move now is to get the highest price (mug Liverpool or Arsenal) before his value depreciates. If he goes to Liverpool and plays well next season, Barca will probably come knocking again.

Let's hope the future investment in new players and academy youngsters is in men who show class both on and off the pitch.
[quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: probably one of the best things I've read on here in a while. well put. just need someone to tell this to Lovren himself so he knows what an idiot hes made himself look. good riddance. i will always remember his performance against spurs. it explained why he wasn't liked at Lyon.[/p][/quote]True. I think Simon's article is the extended post many of us have been wanting to write on here for a while. As for connections with Lovren's time at Lyon, as I posted yesterday, when he signed, I had a few concerns. He had a great season (2011-12, if my maths are right) and Barca were interested. Word has it, they were planning a mega bid but Lyon refused even to talk to Barca. The following season, he was ordinary - some gifted goals and penalties conceded, and he was sent off more than once. Lyon couldn't wait to offload him. We got him cheaply but Lyon fans thought they had robbed us. History is in danger of repeating itself. So, what was he telling Lyon this time 2 years' ago? One view is that he told them not to expect him to be committed - result, he was cr4p, was sold to Saints and Lyon lost out financially. Thus, what is he now telling our Board? Of course we could let him rot, and we could even aim for reconciliation (it does happen!), but the financially most astute move now is to get the highest price (mug Liverpool or Arsenal) before his value depreciates. If he goes to Liverpool and plays well next season, Barca will probably come knocking again. Let's hope the future investment in new players and academy youngsters is in men who show class both on and off the pitch. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 46

9:55am Mon 7 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
That was as good a post as it could be, as long as you understand what it is saying, almost up to Confuscious standards. Lovren said he doesn't know who the top man is, probably confused over the fact it is in fact a top woman? Or did he mean the Manager, did no one tell him RonKo got the job?
By top man he was referring to the replacement of Cortese. Ralph does not seem to have stepped up to the mark as 'leader' of this great club thereby creating a vacuum. Les Reeds role has dramatically increased and we all have to hope he can deliver as our future is very much in his hands. KL sits on the board but does not lead it, but as ultimate shareholder obviously the power rests with her. Then we have Gareth Rodgers as CEO, a role Cortese used to combine with Chairman and then there's Hans Hofstetter whose role is non too clear. Do you see his dilemma?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]That was as good a post as it could be, as long as you understand what it is saying, almost up to Confuscious standards. Lovren said he doesn't know who the top man is, probably confused over the fact it is in fact a top woman? Or did he mean the Manager, did no one tell him RonKo got the job?[/p][/quote]By top man he was referring to the replacement of Cortese. Ralph does not seem to have stepped up to the mark as 'leader' of this great club thereby creating a vacuum. Les Reeds role has dramatically increased and we all have to hope he can deliver as our future is very much in his hands. KL sits on the board but does not lead it, but as ultimate shareholder obviously the power rests with her. Then we have Gareth Rodgers as CEO, a role Cortese used to combine with Chairman and then there's Hans Hofstetter whose role is non too clear. Do you see his dilemma? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -18

9:57am Mon 7 Jul 14

Chipmonk1 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
Seed some good points there and well reasoned. But it has been said that Cortese was only close to some of the players. I think it was Cork that said he barely saw/spoke to him. Cork is the prime example of how not everything was hunky dory under NC & MoPo and he has come out already and said how impressed he was by RoKo who IMO is better than his predecessor, after all no one had heard of him when he was appointed and he too had been sacked from his only gig b4 coming to us. I get the whole Ralph not delivering thing and I hope that he hears the unrest among a large portion of the fan base and acts. It was reported when he was appointed that he was a great motivational speaker so it is high time he started to motivate not just the players but the fans as well. I am myself optimistic. Lovren has said some stupid things and I think his place is untenable now unless he sits in front of a camera and apologies. Sadly these players live in a bubble and seem to have completely lost touch.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]Seed some good points there and well reasoned. But it has been said that Cortese was only close to some of the players. I think it was Cork that said he barely saw/spoke to him. Cork is the prime example of how not everything was hunky dory under NC & MoPo and he has come out already and said how impressed he was by RoKo who IMO is better than his predecessor, after all no one had heard of him when he was appointed and he too had been sacked from his only gig b4 coming to us. I get the whole Ralph not delivering thing and I hope that he hears the unrest among a large portion of the fan base and acts. It was reported when he was appointed that he was a great motivational speaker so it is high time he started to motivate not just the players but the fans as well. I am myself optimistic. Lovren has said some stupid things and I think his place is untenable now unless he sits in front of a camera and apologies. Sadly these players live in a bubble and seem to have completely lost touch. Chipmonk1
  • Score: 39

10:00am Mon 7 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
That was as good a post as it could be, as long as you understand what it is saying, almost up to Confuscious standards. Lovren said he doesn't know who the top man is, probably confused over the fact it is in fact a top woman? Or did he mean the Manager, did no one tell him RonKo got the job?
By top man he was referring to the replacement of Cortese. Ralph does not seem to have stepped up to the mark as 'leader' of this great club thereby creating a vacuum. Les Reeds role has dramatically increased and we all have to hope he can deliver as our future is very much in his hands. KL sits on the board but does not lead it, but as ultimate shareholder obviously the power rests with her. Then we have Gareth Rodgers as CEO, a role Cortese used to combine with Chairman and then there's Hans Hofstetter whose role is non too clear. Do you see his dilemma?
His dilemma? No, not really. It's still a fairly small number of people and it shouldn't be to difficult to find out if you take the trouble to ask.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]That was as good a post as it could be, as long as you understand what it is saying, almost up to Confuscious standards. Lovren said he doesn't know who the top man is, probably confused over the fact it is in fact a top woman? Or did he mean the Manager, did no one tell him RonKo got the job?[/p][/quote]By top man he was referring to the replacement of Cortese. Ralph does not seem to have stepped up to the mark as 'leader' of this great club thereby creating a vacuum. Les Reeds role has dramatically increased and we all have to hope he can deliver as our future is very much in his hands. KL sits on the board but does not lead it, but as ultimate shareholder obviously the power rests with her. Then we have Gareth Rodgers as CEO, a role Cortese used to combine with Chairman and then there's Hans Hofstetter whose role is non too clear. Do you see his dilemma?[/p][/quote]His dilemma? No, not really. It's still a fairly small number of people and it shouldn't be to difficult to find out if you take the trouble to ask. Rising_Son
  • Score: 15

10:00am Mon 7 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
probably one of the best things I've read on here in a while. well put. just need someone to tell this to Lovren himself so he knows what an idiot hes made himself look. good riddance.
i will always remember his performance against spurs. it explained why he wasn't liked at Lyon.
True. I think Simon's article is the extended post many of us have been wanting to write on here for a while.

As for connections with Lovren's time at Lyon, as I posted yesterday, when he signed, I had a few concerns. He had a great season (2011-12, if my maths are right) and Barca were interested. Word has it, they were planning a mega bid but Lyon refused even to talk to Barca. The following season, he was ordinary - some gifted goals and penalties conceded, and he was sent off more than once. Lyon couldn't wait to offload him.

We got him cheaply but Lyon fans thought they had robbed us. History is in danger of repeating itself.

So, what was he telling Lyon this time 2 years' ago? One view is that he told them not to expect him to be committed - result, he was cr4p, was sold to Saints and Lyon lost out financially.

Thus, what is he now telling our Board? Of course we could let him rot, and we could even aim for reconciliation (it does happen!), but the financially most astute move now is to get the highest price (mug Liverpool or Arsenal) before his value depreciates. If he goes to Liverpool and plays well next season, Barca will probably come knocking again.

Let's hope the future investment in new players and academy youngsters is in men who show class both on and off the pitch.
If we succumb to his desires and sell him off rather than making him rot are we not perpetuating the situation? Is it not akin to the old adage that if you give in to hijackers you have already created the next one?
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: probably one of the best things I've read on here in a while. well put. just need someone to tell this to Lovren himself so he knows what an idiot hes made himself look. good riddance. i will always remember his performance against spurs. it explained why he wasn't liked at Lyon.[/p][/quote]True. I think Simon's article is the extended post many of us have been wanting to write on here for a while. As for connections with Lovren's time at Lyon, as I posted yesterday, when he signed, I had a few concerns. He had a great season (2011-12, if my maths are right) and Barca were interested. Word has it, they were planning a mega bid but Lyon refused even to talk to Barca. The following season, he was ordinary - some gifted goals and penalties conceded, and he was sent off more than once. Lyon couldn't wait to offload him. We got him cheaply but Lyon fans thought they had robbed us. History is in danger of repeating itself. So, what was he telling Lyon this time 2 years' ago? One view is that he told them not to expect him to be committed - result, he was cr4p, was sold to Saints and Lyon lost out financially. Thus, what is he now telling our Board? Of course we could let him rot, and we could even aim for reconciliation (it does happen!), but the financially most astute move now is to get the highest price (mug Liverpool or Arsenal) before his value depreciates. If he goes to Liverpool and plays well next season, Barca will probably come knocking again. Let's hope the future investment in new players and academy youngsters is in men who show class both on and off the pitch.[/p][/quote]If we succumb to his desires and sell him off rather than making him rot are we not perpetuating the situation? Is it not akin to the old adage that if you give in to hijackers you have already created the next one? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 6

10:03am Mon 7 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
probably one of the best things I've read on here in a while. well put. just need someone to tell this to Lovren himself so he knows what an idiot hes made himself look. good riddance.
i will always remember his performance against spurs. it explained why he wasn't liked at Lyon.
True. I think Simon's article is the extended post many of us have been wanting to write on here for a while.

As for connections with Lovren's time at Lyon, as I posted yesterday, when he signed, I had a few concerns. He had a great season (2011-12, if my maths are right) and Barca were interested. Word has it, they were planning a mega bid but Lyon refused even to talk to Barca. The following season, he was ordinary - some gifted goals and penalties conceded, and he was sent off more than once. Lyon couldn't wait to offload him.

We got him cheaply but Lyon fans thought they had robbed us. History is in danger of repeating itself.

So, what was he telling Lyon this time 2 years' ago? One view is that he told them not to expect him to be committed - result, he was cr4p, was sold to Saints and Lyon lost out financially.

Thus, what is he now telling our Board? Of course we could let him rot, and we could even aim for reconciliation (it does happen!), but the financially most astute move now is to get the highest price (mug Liverpool or Arsenal) before his value depreciates. If he goes to Liverpool and plays well next season, Barca will probably come knocking again.

Let's hope the future investment in new players and academy youngsters is in men who show class both on and off the pitch.
If we succumb to his desires and sell him off rather than making him rot are we not perpetuating the situation? Is it not akin to the old adage that if you give in to hijackers you have already created the next one?
Hold on to him till the end of the transfer window and then let him go.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: probably one of the best things I've read on here in a while. well put. just need someone to tell this to Lovren himself so he knows what an idiot hes made himself look. good riddance. i will always remember his performance against spurs. it explained why he wasn't liked at Lyon.[/p][/quote]True. I think Simon's article is the extended post many of us have been wanting to write on here for a while. As for connections with Lovren's time at Lyon, as I posted yesterday, when he signed, I had a few concerns. He had a great season (2011-12, if my maths are right) and Barca were interested. Word has it, they were planning a mega bid but Lyon refused even to talk to Barca. The following season, he was ordinary - some gifted goals and penalties conceded, and he was sent off more than once. Lyon couldn't wait to offload him. We got him cheaply but Lyon fans thought they had robbed us. History is in danger of repeating itself. So, what was he telling Lyon this time 2 years' ago? One view is that he told them not to expect him to be committed - result, he was cr4p, was sold to Saints and Lyon lost out financially. Thus, what is he now telling our Board? Of course we could let him rot, and we could even aim for reconciliation (it does happen!), but the financially most astute move now is to get the highest price (mug Liverpool or Arsenal) before his value depreciates. If he goes to Liverpool and plays well next season, Barca will probably come knocking again. Let's hope the future investment in new players and academy youngsters is in men who show class both on and off the pitch.[/p][/quote]If we succumb to his desires and sell him off rather than making him rot are we not perpetuating the situation? Is it not akin to the old adage that if you give in to hijackers you have already created the next one?[/p][/quote]Hold on to him till the end of the transfer window and then let him go. Rising_Son
  • Score: 13

10:06am Mon 7 Jul 14

notaclue says...

Cortese persuaded them (players and manager) to come here and told them they would challenge for CL football and for the top of the BPL, that we would keep our best players and build every year.

Trouble is that costs more money than the club could or can afford, so NC borrowed money and kept it a secret from KL. When NC worked out that the owner would not finance the next step for the club he realised the dream was not going to happen, he couldn't borrow more and more and keep it hidden. KL wanted a proper board at Saints and wants saints to be self financing, exit Cortese.

Players and MoPo realise that they can still go for this dream but not at self financing Saints. Offers come in for them and are rejected so they try and force their way out. Les Reed is in charge and by all accounts many players dislike him anyway so no love lost in the way they do it.
Cortese persuaded them (players and manager) to come here and told them they would challenge for CL football and for the top of the BPL, that we would keep our best players and build every year. Trouble is that costs more money than the club could or can afford, so NC borrowed money and kept it a secret from KL. When NC worked out that the owner would not finance the next step for the club he realised the dream was not going to happen, he couldn't borrow more and more and keep it hidden. KL wanted a proper board at Saints and wants saints to be self financing, exit Cortese. Players and MoPo realise that they can still go for this dream but not at self financing Saints. Offers come in for them and are rejected so they try and force their way out. Les Reed is in charge and by all accounts many players dislike him anyway so no love lost in the way they do it. notaclue
  • Score: 3

10:06am Mon 7 Jul 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
You could, of course, be right, but none of us will ever know.

What we do know is that a couple of those who came in towards the end of NC's reign have, in different ways, turned out to be rather classless (Osvaldo & Lovren).

More to the point, does anyone else think we're suffering a belated case of second-season blues? Maybe it works like chicken pox, and would have been best suffered when young - that is, this time last year.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]You could, of course, be right, but none of us will ever know. What we do know is that a couple of those who came in towards the end of NC's reign have, in different ways, turned out to be rather classless (Osvaldo & Lovren). More to the point, does anyone else think we're suffering a belated case of second-season blues? Maybe it works like chicken pox, and would have been best suffered when young - that is, this time last year. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 12

10:07am Mon 7 Jul 14

Boarhunt Saint says...

He's not fit to wear a Saints shirt! Let him go, we only want players who want to play for the this great Club! Sell him & buy someone better, it wouldn't be difficult! You never know Lovren you might learn a thing or two from your new boss, one of the finest central defenders, he'd make you into a better player!
He's obviously got a very high opinion of himself, totally deluded! Enjoy playing in the Liverpool reserves along side Lambert & Lallana!!
Let them all go if they don' want to play in a Red & White striped shirt take the £25m & let's get on with buying better players than those that want to go!
He's not fit to wear a Saints shirt! Let him go, we only want players who want to play for the this great Club! Sell him & buy someone better, it wouldn't be difficult! You never know Lovren you might learn a thing or two from your new boss, one of the finest central defenders, he'd make you into a better player! He's obviously got a very high opinion of himself, totally deluded! Enjoy playing in the Liverpool reserves along side Lambert & Lallana!! Let them all go if they don' want to play in a Red & White striped shirt take the £25m & let's get on with buying better players than those that want to go! Boarhunt Saint
  • Score: 18

10:10am Mon 7 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Boarhunt Saint wrote:
He's not fit to wear a Saints shirt! Let him go, we only want players who want to play for the this great Club! Sell him & buy someone better, it wouldn't be difficult! You never know Lovren you might learn a thing or two from your new boss, one of the finest central defenders, he'd make you into a better player!
He's obviously got a very high opinion of himself, totally deluded! Enjoy playing in the Liverpool reserves along side Lambert & Lallana!!
Let them all go if they don' want to play in a Red & White striped shirt take the £25m & let's get on with buying better players than those that want to go!
Unfortunately, we haven't been offered £25m.
[quote][p][bold]Boarhunt Saint[/bold] wrote: He's not fit to wear a Saints shirt! Let him go, we only want players who want to play for the this great Club! Sell him & buy someone better, it wouldn't be difficult! You never know Lovren you might learn a thing or two from your new boss, one of the finest central defenders, he'd make you into a better player! He's obviously got a very high opinion of himself, totally deluded! Enjoy playing in the Liverpool reserves along side Lambert & Lallana!! Let them all go if they don' want to play in a Red & White striped shirt take the £25m & let's get on with buying better players than those that want to go![/p][/quote]Unfortunately, we haven't been offered £25m. Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

10:11am Mon 7 Jul 14

damoose says...

If we hurry up and sign Tadic before Everton....the Southampton people will find out the big difference between a Serb and a Croat
If we hurry up and sign Tadic before Everton....the Southampton people will find out the big difference between a Serb and a Croat damoose
  • Score: 19

10:11am Mon 7 Jul 14

THEKILLER says...

Rising_Son wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football
That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego
We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.
The design was changed at least 4 times after building had started materials used changed to more expensive ones because he did not like the look, that is why the whole build was stop start and took much longer.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego[/p][/quote]We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.[/p][/quote]The design was changed at least 4 times after building had started materials used changed to more expensive ones because he did not like the look, that is why the whole build was stop start and took much longer. THEKILLER
  • Score: 9

10:11am Mon 7 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
Totally agree,it can't be down to the infrastructure of the club,because that is fine,so the sudden exodus has to be down to personnel at the club,and that has to be the ones who are encumbent now,because no one was clamouring to leave when Cortese was here(quite frankly ,I don't think any of them would have dared).
Despite all the talk about whose money it is,or was,or who did what with it,I will remain convinced that if Markus Liebherr had not passed away,and the status quo had remained as it was,we would probably be looking at a totally different scenario now,and would probably have achieved,sooner rather than later,everything that up to Cortese's departure,we had all been excitedly anticipating.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]Totally agree,it can't be down to the infrastructure of the club,because that is fine,so the sudden exodus has to be down to personnel at the club,and that has to be the ones who are encumbent now,because no one was clamouring to leave when Cortese was here(quite frankly ,I don't think any of them would have dared). Despite all the talk about whose money it is,or was,or who did what with it,I will remain convinced that if Markus Liebherr had not passed away,and the status quo had remained as it was,we would probably be looking at a totally different scenario now,and would probably have achieved,sooner rather than later,everything that up to Cortese's departure,we had all been excitedly anticipating. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 11

10:14am Mon 7 Jul 14

Jesus_02 says...

I don’t think that this is clutching at straws, but some people may well think so:

He is a footballer not a politician, the stuff that he said about “you’ll never walk alone” was just stupid. But if you take that out and insert “my heart is at Southampton” it would make some seriously interesting reading. If you look at Morgans comments, its clear that he wants the board to demonstrate ambition and will likely move if they don’t. It’s not really that much different than saying:

“Look, I’d gladly stay in Southampton if the club had any ambitions, if they kept the key players”

If the board don’t show any ambition, then to be frank, we all have to accept that we will be back to where we where when Gordon Strachen left. Disapointing though it may be, we may have to be just be grateful that we have a club.

Personally, I hope that we have show ambition in the players that we sign, hopefully this week.
I don’t think that this is clutching at straws, but some people may well think so: He is a footballer not a politician, the stuff that he said about “you’ll never walk alone” was just stupid. But if you take that out and insert “my heart is at Southampton” it would make some seriously interesting reading. If you look at Morgans comments, its clear that he wants the board to demonstrate ambition and will likely move if they don’t. It’s not really that much different than saying: “Look, I’d gladly stay in Southampton if the club had any ambitions, if they kept the key players” If the board don’t show any ambition, then to be frank, we all have to accept that we will be back to where we where when Gordon Strachen left. Disapointing though it may be, we may have to be just be grateful that we have a club. Personally, I hope that we have show ambition in the players that we sign, hopefully this week. Jesus_02
  • Score: 27

10:14am Mon 7 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
probably one of the best things I've read on here in a while. well put. just need someone to tell this to Lovren himself so he knows what an idiot hes made himself look. good riddance.
i will always remember his performance against spurs. it explained why he wasn't liked at Lyon.
True. I think Simon's article is the extended post many of us have been wanting to write on here for a while.

As for connections with Lovren's time at Lyon, as I posted yesterday, when he signed, I had a few concerns. He had a great season (2011-12, if my maths are right) and Barca were interested. Word has it, they were planning a mega bid but Lyon refused even to talk to Barca. The following season, he was ordinary - some gifted goals and penalties conceded, and he was sent off more than once. Lyon couldn't wait to offload him.

We got him cheaply but Lyon fans thought they had robbed us. History is in danger of repeating itself.

So, what was he telling Lyon this time 2 years' ago? One view is that he told them not to expect him to be committed - result, he was cr4p, was sold to Saints and Lyon lost out financially.

Thus, what is he now telling our Board? Of course we could let him rot, and we could even aim for reconciliation (it does happen!), but the financially most astute move now is to get the highest price (mug Liverpool or Arsenal) before his value depreciates. If he goes to Liverpool and plays well next season, Barca will probably come knocking again.

Let's hope the future investment in new players and academy youngsters is in men who show class both on and off the pitch.
If we succumb to his desires and sell him off rather than making him rot are we not perpetuating the situation? Is it not akin to the old adage that if you give in to hijackers you have already created the next one?
very very good point.... for me its all about the timing.... get those two signings in and then the ar5ehole go for £20M.... its only because at the moment it all seems one way.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: probably one of the best things I've read on here in a while. well put. just need someone to tell this to Lovren himself so he knows what an idiot hes made himself look. good riddance. i will always remember his performance against spurs. it explained why he wasn't liked at Lyon.[/p][/quote]True. I think Simon's article is the extended post many of us have been wanting to write on here for a while. As for connections with Lovren's time at Lyon, as I posted yesterday, when he signed, I had a few concerns. He had a great season (2011-12, if my maths are right) and Barca were interested. Word has it, they were planning a mega bid but Lyon refused even to talk to Barca. The following season, he was ordinary - some gifted goals and penalties conceded, and he was sent off more than once. Lyon couldn't wait to offload him. We got him cheaply but Lyon fans thought they had robbed us. History is in danger of repeating itself. So, what was he telling Lyon this time 2 years' ago? One view is that he told them not to expect him to be committed - result, he was cr4p, was sold to Saints and Lyon lost out financially. Thus, what is he now telling our Board? Of course we could let him rot, and we could even aim for reconciliation (it does happen!), but the financially most astute move now is to get the highest price (mug Liverpool or Arsenal) before his value depreciates. If he goes to Liverpool and plays well next season, Barca will probably come knocking again. Let's hope the future investment in new players and academy youngsters is in men who show class both on and off the pitch.[/p][/quote]If we succumb to his desires and sell him off rather than making him rot are we not perpetuating the situation? Is it not akin to the old adage that if you give in to hijackers you have already created the next one?[/p][/quote]very very good point.... for me its all about the timing.... get those two signings in and then the ar5ehole go for £20M.... its only because at the moment it all seems one way. steekeemcglue
  • Score: 13

10:16am Mon 7 Jul 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
probably one of the best things I've read on here in a while. well put. just need someone to tell this to Lovren himself so he knows what an idiot hes made himself look. good riddance.
i will always remember his performance against spurs. it explained why he wasn't liked at Lyon.
True. I think Simon's article is the extended post many of us have been wanting to write on here for a while.

As for connections with Lovren's time at Lyon, as I posted yesterday, when he signed, I had a few concerns. He had a great season (2011-12, if my maths are right) and Barca were interested. Word has it, they were planning a mega bid but Lyon refused even to talk to Barca. The following season, he was ordinary - some gifted goals and penalties conceded, and he was sent off more than once. Lyon couldn't wait to offload him.

We got him cheaply but Lyon fans thought they had robbed us. History is in danger of repeating itself.

So, what was he telling Lyon this time 2 years' ago? One view is that he told them not to expect him to be committed - result, he was cr4p, was sold to Saints and Lyon lost out financially.

Thus, what is he now telling our Board? Of course we could let him rot, and we could even aim for reconciliation (it does happen!), but the financially most astute move now is to get the highest price (mug Liverpool or Arsenal) before his value depreciates. If he goes to Liverpool and plays well next season, Barca will probably come knocking again.

Let's hope the future investment in new players and academy youngsters is in men who show class both on and off the pitch.
If we succumb to his desires and sell him off rather than making him rot are we not perpetuating the situation? Is it not akin to the old adage that if you give in to hijackers you have already created the next one?
It's called pragmatism, Seed. I'd rather bag £25m now than keep paying him, have him take a squad number someone else could have and then sell him for £2m in twelve months' time.

The comparison you make with giving in to kidnappers is fair but, in the football-transfer world, giving in to petulant sh!ts doesn't cost lives.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: probably one of the best things I've read on here in a while. well put. just need someone to tell this to Lovren himself so he knows what an idiot hes made himself look. good riddance. i will always remember his performance against spurs. it explained why he wasn't liked at Lyon.[/p][/quote]True. I think Simon's article is the extended post many of us have been wanting to write on here for a while. As for connections with Lovren's time at Lyon, as I posted yesterday, when he signed, I had a few concerns. He had a great season (2011-12, if my maths are right) and Barca were interested. Word has it, they were planning a mega bid but Lyon refused even to talk to Barca. The following season, he was ordinary - some gifted goals and penalties conceded, and he was sent off more than once. Lyon couldn't wait to offload him. We got him cheaply but Lyon fans thought they had robbed us. History is in danger of repeating itself. So, what was he telling Lyon this time 2 years' ago? One view is that he told them not to expect him to be committed - result, he was cr4p, was sold to Saints and Lyon lost out financially. Thus, what is he now telling our Board? Of course we could let him rot, and we could even aim for reconciliation (it does happen!), but the financially most astute move now is to get the highest price (mug Liverpool or Arsenal) before his value depreciates. If he goes to Liverpool and plays well next season, Barca will probably come knocking again. Let's hope the future investment in new players and academy youngsters is in men who show class both on and off the pitch.[/p][/quote]If we succumb to his desires and sell him off rather than making him rot are we not perpetuating the situation? Is it not akin to the old adage that if you give in to hijackers you have already created the next one?[/p][/quote]It's called pragmatism, Seed. I'd rather bag £25m now than keep paying him, have him take a squad number someone else could have and then sell him for £2m in twelve months' time. The comparison you make with giving in to kidnappers is fair but, in the football-transfer world, giving in to petulant sh!ts doesn't cost lives. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 20

10:17am Mon 7 Jul 14

saintmary says...

Seems that these players have gone for the money and glory of top sides . Ricky is the only one who I feel deserves all the good things to end his football days. What a excellent example of how a footballer should be !
Our captain has let us down even though he has been with us through all the dark times. Has the club not got a great future..so why go?
Shaw has betrayed the club who gave him every chance and should have stayed to repay the faith the club put into young talent..at least for a few more years.
As a fan it is hard to understand players and how they want fans to cheer them and wear the shirt with pride as we do..and then just treat us with such a smirk of indifference!
I feel annoyed but also want saints to play and win against these players and at the end of the season get top spot..**** I have woken up..but what a revenge!
Seems that these players have gone for the money and glory of top sides . Ricky is the only one who I feel deserves all the good things to end his football days. What a excellent example of how a footballer should be ! Our captain has let us down even though he has been with us through all the dark times. Has the club not got a great future..so why go? Shaw has betrayed the club who gave him every chance and should have stayed to repay the faith the club put into young talent..at least for a few more years. As a fan it is hard to understand players and how they want fans to cheer them and wear the shirt with pride as we do..and then just treat us with such a smirk of indifference! I feel annoyed but also want saints to play and win against these players and at the end of the season get top spot..**** I have woken up..but what a revenge! saintmary
  • Score: 33

10:18am Mon 7 Jul 14

InCortesewetrust says...

Well if you are gullible enough to think and believe Cortese that Southampton can break into the top 4 you deserve everything you getting lovren ha ha ha,if you move to liverhampton without LS you are not going to achieve CL football either, the top 4 will Always be man c Chelsea man and arsenal, then you have the other's, saints could be one of them with or without you, so fu*k off! We I'll take the £20m good business.
Well if you are gullible enough to think and believe Cortese that Southampton can break into the top 4 you deserve everything you getting lovren ha ha ha,if you move to liverhampton without LS you are not going to achieve CL football either, the top 4 will Always be man c Chelsea man and arsenal, then you have the other's, saints could be one of them with or without you, so fu*k off! We I'll take the £20m good business. InCortesewetrust
  • Score: 11

10:25am Mon 7 Jul 14

Hobson82 says...

If he wants to go let him go, but don't let him go to where he wants. Sell him to the highest bidder abroad.
If he wants to go let him go, but don't let him go to where he wants. Sell him to the highest bidder abroad. Hobson82
  • Score: 16

10:28am Mon 7 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
probably one of the best things I've read on here in a while. well put. just need someone to tell this to Lovren himself so he knows what an idiot hes made himself look. good riddance.
i will always remember his performance against spurs. it explained why he wasn't liked at Lyon.
True. I think Simon's article is the extended post many of us have been wanting to write on here for a while.

As for connections with Lovren's time at Lyon, as I posted yesterday, when he signed, I had a few concerns. He had a great season (2011-12, if my maths are right) and Barca were interested. Word has it, they were planning a mega bid but Lyon refused even to talk to Barca. The following season, he was ordinary - some gifted goals and penalties conceded, and he was sent off more than once. Lyon couldn't wait to offload him.

We got him cheaply but Lyon fans thought they had robbed us. History is in danger of repeating itself.

So, what was he telling Lyon this time 2 years' ago? One view is that he told them not to expect him to be committed - result, he was cr4p, was sold to Saints and Lyon lost out financially.

Thus, what is he now telling our Board? Of course we could let him rot, and we could even aim for reconciliation (it does happen!), but the financially most astute move now is to get the highest price (mug Liverpool or Arsenal) before his value depreciates. If he goes to Liverpool and plays well next season, Barca will probably come knocking again.

Let's hope the future investment in new players and academy youngsters is in men who show class both on and off the pitch.
If we succumb to his desires and sell him off rather than making him rot are we not perpetuating the situation? Is it not akin to the old adage that if you give in to hijackers you have already created the next one?
It's called pragmatism, Seed. I'd rather bag £25m now than keep paying him, have him take a squad number someone else could have and then sell him for £2m in twelve months' time.

The comparison you make with giving in to kidnappers is fair but, in the football-transfer world, giving in to petulant sh!ts doesn't cost lives.
No it doesn't cost lives and was a poor comparison, but my point remains the same that if you don't make a stand others see the successful outcome (from the players point of view) of the bad behaviour and copy it.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: probably one of the best things I've read on here in a while. well put. just need someone to tell this to Lovren himself so he knows what an idiot hes made himself look. good riddance. i will always remember his performance against spurs. it explained why he wasn't liked at Lyon.[/p][/quote]True. I think Simon's article is the extended post many of us have been wanting to write on here for a while. As for connections with Lovren's time at Lyon, as I posted yesterday, when he signed, I had a few concerns. He had a great season (2011-12, if my maths are right) and Barca were interested. Word has it, they were planning a mega bid but Lyon refused even to talk to Barca. The following season, he was ordinary - some gifted goals and penalties conceded, and he was sent off more than once. Lyon couldn't wait to offload him. We got him cheaply but Lyon fans thought they had robbed us. History is in danger of repeating itself. So, what was he telling Lyon this time 2 years' ago? One view is that he told them not to expect him to be committed - result, he was cr4p, was sold to Saints and Lyon lost out financially. Thus, what is he now telling our Board? Of course we could let him rot, and we could even aim for reconciliation (it does happen!), but the financially most astute move now is to get the highest price (mug Liverpool or Arsenal) before his value depreciates. If he goes to Liverpool and plays well next season, Barca will probably come knocking again. Let's hope the future investment in new players and academy youngsters is in men who show class both on and off the pitch.[/p][/quote]If we succumb to his desires and sell him off rather than making him rot are we not perpetuating the situation? Is it not akin to the old adage that if you give in to hijackers you have already created the next one?[/p][/quote]It's called pragmatism, Seed. I'd rather bag £25m now than keep paying him, have him take a squad number someone else could have and then sell him for £2m in twelve months' time. The comparison you make with giving in to kidnappers is fair but, in the football-transfer world, giving in to petulant sh!ts doesn't cost lives.[/p][/quote]No it doesn't cost lives and was a poor comparison, but my point remains the same that if you don't make a stand others see the successful outcome (from the players point of view) of the bad behaviour and copy it. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 9

10:29am Mon 7 Jul 14

Churchill Saint says...

I am going to give Lovren just one more chance (please read on before giving the thumbs down!). His reported statement is just so crass and stupid I am just keeping an open mind on whether he actually said these things. Firstly the reports came from a Croatian sports paper so we have no idea how accurate and in context the quotes are. Secondly, the sentences stink of "agents speak" so possibly he lets his agent do the talking without checking on what goes out. Thirdly, some of the lines bear an uncanny resemblance to what Lallana said - the bits about Liverpool being such a great club and all that rubbish. Maybe whoever at Liverpool has been tapping up our players is using the same song sheet for all the taps.

But for Lovren to take this last chance he would have to apologise to the owner, players, staff and fans, admit he had been misguided and commit himself to the club and his contract
I am going to give Lovren just one more chance (please read on before giving the thumbs down!). His reported statement is just so crass and stupid I am just keeping an open mind on whether he actually said these things. Firstly the reports came from a Croatian sports paper so we have no idea how accurate and in context the quotes are. Secondly, the sentences stink of "agents speak" so possibly he lets his agent do the talking without checking on what goes out. Thirdly, some of the lines bear an uncanny resemblance to what Lallana said - the bits about Liverpool being such a great club and all that rubbish. Maybe whoever at Liverpool has been tapping up our players is using the same song sheet for all the taps. But for Lovren to take this last chance he would have to apologise to the owner, players, staff and fans, admit he had been misguided and commit himself to the club and his contract Churchill Saint
  • Score: 9

10:33am Mon 7 Jul 14

TGodSFC says...

You can tell how angry Simon is in this article, hahaha love it. Lovern you’re a massive end, I hope the world can see you for what you really are. I sent him abuse via twitter and encourage you all to do the same. I wouldn’t normally but he defiantly deserves it. Le Tiss did several times and Lovern unfollowed him on Twitter hahahahaha!!!
You can tell how angry Simon is in this article, hahaha love it. Lovern you’re a massive end, I hope the world can see you for what you really are. I sent him abuse via twitter and encourage you all to do the same. I wouldn’t normally but he defiantly deserves it. Le Tiss did several times and Lovern unfollowed him on Twitter hahahahaha!!! TGodSFC
  • Score: 16

10:37am Mon 7 Jul 14

Beer Monster says...

Chipmonk1 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
Seed some good points there and well reasoned. But it has been said that Cortese was only close to some of the players. I think it was Cork that said he barely saw/spoke to him. Cork is the prime example of how not everything was hunky dory under NC & MoPo and he has come out already and said how impressed he was by RoKo who IMO is better than his predecessor, after all no one had heard of him when he was appointed and he too had been sacked from his only gig b4 coming to us. I get the whole Ralph not delivering thing and I hope that he hears the unrest among a large portion of the fan base and acts. It was reported when he was appointed that he was a great motivational speaker so it is high time he started to motivate not just the players but the fans as well. I am myself optimistic. Lovren has said some stupid things and I think his place is untenable now unless he sits in front of a camera and apologies. Sadly these players live in a bubble and seem to have completely lost touch.
Totally agreed - I work under the FD of our company, a position which changed hands at the turn of the year. My previous boss was very much like NC, and ruled with an iron fist. I got along with him, but very few others did. Thankfully, I wasn't like whoever was stirring things up within the SFC camp, realising that change is better for the team as a whole.
[quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]Seed some good points there and well reasoned. But it has been said that Cortese was only close to some of the players. I think it was Cork that said he barely saw/spoke to him. Cork is the prime example of how not everything was hunky dory under NC & MoPo and he has come out already and said how impressed he was by RoKo who IMO is better than his predecessor, after all no one had heard of him when he was appointed and he too had been sacked from his only gig b4 coming to us. I get the whole Ralph not delivering thing and I hope that he hears the unrest among a large portion of the fan base and acts. It was reported when he was appointed that he was a great motivational speaker so it is high time he started to motivate not just the players but the fans as well. I am myself optimistic. Lovren has said some stupid things and I think his place is untenable now unless he sits in front of a camera and apologies. Sadly these players live in a bubble and seem to have completely lost touch.[/p][/quote]Totally agreed - I work under the FD of our company, a position which changed hands at the turn of the year. My previous boss was very much like NC, and ruled with an iron fist. I got along with him, but very few others did. Thankfully, I wasn't like whoever was stirring things up within the SFC camp, realising that change is better for the team as a whole. Beer Monster
  • Score: 10

10:38am Mon 7 Jul 14

Sainty saint saint says...

Rising_Son wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football
That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego
We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.
It wasn't that long ago that Merchant of Doom and all-round business guru Seedhouse was complaining about how ridiculous it was that NC hadn't secured a fixed price contract for the training ground development.

He was apoplectic that there had been an overspend and claimed that any proper business person would have ensured the project came in on budget.

But now of course NC was always right and a business hero who would have kept everyone in line...

I for one am confused about whether NC was the bee's knees as a business man or a bit of a chancer...
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego[/p][/quote]We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.[/p][/quote]It wasn't that long ago that Merchant of Doom and all-round business guru Seedhouse was complaining about how ridiculous it was that NC hadn't secured a fixed price contract for the training ground development. He was apoplectic that there had been an overspend and claimed that any proper business person would have ensured the project came in on budget. But now of course NC was always right and a business hero who would have kept everyone in line... I for one am confused about whether NC was the bee's knees as a business man or a bit of a chancer... Sainty saint saint
  • Score: 23

10:41am Mon 7 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football
That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego
We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.
It wasn't that long ago that Merchant of Doom and all-round business guru Seedhouse was complaining about how ridiculous it was that NC hadn't secured a fixed price contract for the training ground development.

He was apoplectic that there had been an overspend and claimed that any proper business person would have ensured the project came in on budget.

But now of course NC was always right and a business hero who would have kept everyone in line...

I for one am confused about whether NC was the bee's knees as a business man or a bit of a chancer...
he did not have a clue obviously..... as we start the new season with out a proper kit....
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego[/p][/quote]We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.[/p][/quote]It wasn't that long ago that Merchant of Doom and all-round business guru Seedhouse was complaining about how ridiculous it was that NC hadn't secured a fixed price contract for the training ground development. He was apoplectic that there had been an overspend and claimed that any proper business person would have ensured the project came in on budget. But now of course NC was always right and a business hero who would have kept everyone in line... I for one am confused about whether NC was the bee's knees as a business man or a bit of a chancer...[/p][/quote]he did not have a clue obviously..... as we start the new season with out a proper kit.... steekeemcglue
  • Score: -6

10:42am Mon 7 Jul 14

St Van Roetford says...

If Cortese was so good at selling his 'vision' to the players, how come he couldn't sell it to Kat?
If Cortese was so good at selling his 'vision' to the players, how come he couldn't sell it to Kat? St Van Roetford
  • Score: 23

10:44am Mon 7 Jul 14

Dan Howard says...

Simon Carter seems to be taking this very personally, almost as if a bunch of invited guests had turned one of his valued friends and ransacked his home.

Actually I agree with him.

Whatever footballing, financial and fantasy world the former Chairman lived in, no matter what relationship Nicola had or thought he had with the Liebherrs, there really isn’t an excuse for Lovren’s behaviour.

He may move to Liverpool.

The Kop may even come to respect him.

They will never like him still less love him like they will Rickie.

I’d rather we had a good clear out now rather than retain a bunch of delusional mercenaries on the books.

I think our Board has made one or two communication errors over the past three months but actually compare its behaviour with some of our players and I back the board every time.

You’d trust Rickie with your good name and reputation.

As for the other departures and wantaways?
Simon Carter seems to be taking this very personally, almost as if a bunch of invited guests had turned one of his valued friends and ransacked his home. Actually I agree with him. Whatever footballing, financial and fantasy world the former Chairman lived in, no matter what relationship Nicola had or thought he had with the Liebherrs, there really isn’t an excuse for Lovren’s behaviour. He may move to Liverpool. The Kop may even come to respect him. They will never like him still less love him like they will Rickie. I’d rather we had a good clear out now rather than retain a bunch of delusional mercenaries on the books. I think our Board has made one or two communication errors over the past three months but actually compare its behaviour with some of our players and I back the board every time. You’d trust Rickie with your good name and reputation. As for the other departures and wantaways? Dan Howard
  • Score: 32

10:46am Mon 7 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football
That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego
We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.
It wasn't that long ago that Merchant of Doom and all-round business guru Seedhouse was complaining about how ridiculous it was that NC hadn't secured a fixed price contract for the training ground development.

He was apoplectic that there had been an overspend and claimed that any proper business person would have ensured the project came in on budget.

But now of course NC was always right and a business hero who would have kept everyone in line...

I for one am confused about whether NC was the bee's knees as a business man or a bit of a chancer...
I do think NC should have been kept away from the day to day running of a construction project. His attention to detail was bound to lead to delays and yes most larger projects are let on a fixed price basis for obvious reasons.

It's unfortunate that just because you disagree with me you feel you need to be rude.
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego[/p][/quote]We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.[/p][/quote]It wasn't that long ago that Merchant of Doom and all-round business guru Seedhouse was complaining about how ridiculous it was that NC hadn't secured a fixed price contract for the training ground development. He was apoplectic that there had been an overspend and claimed that any proper business person would have ensured the project came in on budget. But now of course NC was always right and a business hero who would have kept everyone in line... I for one am confused about whether NC was the bee's knees as a business man or a bit of a chancer...[/p][/quote]I do think NC should have been kept away from the day to day running of a construction project. His attention to detail was bound to lead to delays and yes most larger projects are let on a fixed price basis for obvious reasons. It's unfortunate that just because you disagree with me you feel you need to be rude. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

10:47am Mon 7 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
If Cortese was so good at selling his 'vision' to the players, how come he couldn't sell it to Kat?
Dunno. He did sell it to Markus though.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: If Cortese was so good at selling his 'vision' to the players, how come he couldn't sell it to Kat?[/p][/quote]Dunno. He did sell it to Markus though. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 7

10:50am Mon 7 Jul 14

richard903 says...

damoose wrote:
If we hurry up and sign Tadic before Everton....the Southampton people will find out the big difference between a Serb and a Croat
During the second world war the croat's joined the nazis the serbs fought on . My wifes grandad (serbian) was put in a croat consentration camp and died there, two of the reasons serbs hate croats
[quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: If we hurry up and sign Tadic before Everton....the Southampton people will find out the big difference between a Serb and a Croat[/p][/quote]During the second world war the croat's joined the nazis the serbs fought on . My wifes grandad (serbian) was put in a croat consentration camp and died there, two of the reasons serbs hate croats richard903
  • Score: 1

10:53am Mon 7 Jul 14

saint christopher says...

Pagans worship gods of this that or or other in the hope these imagined deities can provide them with the happiness and security that they want.

Here in the enlightened West we do exactly the same, except those deities have been replaced by the god of materialism - the thinking that money and what it can buy is the solution to everything.

Most of us keep that in check, knowing we'll never be famous and millionaires, and are happy knowing we have enough. Modern day footballers however, along with so-called celebrities, pop stars etc have the opportunities to earn vast sums of money and receive the adulation of millions through simply having possessing a reasonable skill in some area (in this case at playing a game) - and human nature being what it is very few can resist this lure.

Contentment, honour, service and similar virtues are pretty rare today generally, but in this parallel world of over-hyped and over paid individuals they are pretty well non-existent - which is rather a convoluted way of saying that we really shouldn't be surprised at the basic greed and ungratefulness now being shown by the stars of our team.

Hopefully they can be replaced with not only those of at least equal technical ability but ideally a better moral compass. However I don't think Les would admit to having such an ability so we will always be subject to the greed of those we employ and the clubs who have the financial power to get whatever they want.

Having said all that we are still a million miles better off than we were, and its only our amazing progress that has made us all a bit unrealistic. Next season can still be great - but I'd still like some positive news and decisions this week. Much longer and even I will begin to despair.

End of sermon.
Pagans worship gods of this that or or other in the hope these imagined deities can provide them with the happiness and security that they want. Here in the enlightened West we do exactly the same, except those deities have been replaced by the god of materialism - the thinking that money and what it can buy is the solution to everything. Most of us keep that in check, knowing we'll never be famous and millionaires, and are happy knowing we have enough. Modern day footballers however, along with so-called celebrities, pop stars etc have the opportunities to earn vast sums of money and receive the adulation of millions through simply having possessing a reasonable skill in some area (in this case at playing a game) - and human nature being what it is very few can resist this lure. Contentment, honour, service and similar virtues are pretty rare today generally, but in this parallel world of over-hyped and over paid individuals they are pretty well non-existent - which is rather a convoluted way of saying that we really shouldn't be surprised at the basic greed and ungratefulness now being shown by the stars of our team. Hopefully they can be replaced with not only those of at least equal technical ability but ideally a better moral compass. However I don't think Les would admit to having such an ability so we will always be subject to the greed of those we employ and the clubs who have the financial power to get whatever they want. Having said all that we are still a million miles better off than we were, and its only our amazing progress that has made us all a bit unrealistic. Next season can still be great - but I'd still like some positive news and decisions this week. Much longer and even I will begin to despair. End of sermon. saint christopher
  • Score: 15

10:56am Mon 7 Jul 14

John Smith34 says...

I have no more words for this cretin.....uh oh.....wait.......I think I have a few more actually. The disrespect you have shown Southampton Football Club over the past few weeks disgusts me. I've supported this club for 29 years and have never known anything like it. All I hope is, wherever you go I sincerely hope your career goes down the absolute toilet cos Dejan you ain't as good as you think you are son......ok that's it for now. May have some more words over the coming days if I'm feeling fiery again. Woof.
I have no more words for this cretin.....uh oh.....wait.......I think I have a few more actually. The disrespect you have shown Southampton Football Club over the past few weeks disgusts me. I've supported this club for 29 years and have never known anything like it. All I hope is, wherever you go I sincerely hope your career goes down the absolute toilet cos Dejan you ain't as good as you think you are son......ok that's it for now. May have some more words over the coming days if I'm feeling fiery again. Woof. John Smith34
  • Score: 14

10:56am Mon 7 Jul 14

milton road says...

Tadic was held back from a friendly yesterday because the clubs had agreed terms and in the next coule of days personal terms should be sorted.
Saints have apparently bid 8 million for David Marshall.
Whilst Saints want Pelle they are also after Paulinho from Liverno and D N'doye from Spartak Moscow both strikers as well.

Lovren wanting to leave is a bit rich in itself but expecting Saints to accept Liverpool's offer and getting nasty cos they don't because it is 5 mil under their valuation is idiotic, why the hell should they? There is talk though that Poch may pay the price. We have the right to get the best deal possible.
I felt with Adam we did that, 23 mill paid on the dot plus add ons for a player who is good but not great, is not a ninety minute player being the most subbed last season and that has also followed his England career. Was good business, if we bring in a couple of good players with that money excellent business.
Tadic was held back from a friendly yesterday because the clubs had agreed terms and in the next coule of days personal terms should be sorted. Saints have apparently bid 8 million for David Marshall. Whilst Saints want Pelle they are also after Paulinho from Liverno and D N'doye from Spartak Moscow both strikers as well. Lovren wanting to leave is a bit rich in itself but expecting Saints to accept Liverpool's offer and getting nasty cos they don't because it is 5 mil under their valuation is idiotic, why the hell should they? There is talk though that Poch may pay the price. We have the right to get the best deal possible. I felt with Adam we did that, 23 mill paid on the dot plus add ons for a player who is good but not great, is not a ninety minute player being the most subbed last season and that has also followed his England career. Was good business, if we bring in a couple of good players with that money excellent business. milton road
  • Score: 10

10:58am Mon 7 Jul 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

richard903 wrote:
damoose wrote:
If we hurry up and sign Tadic before Everton....the Southampton people will find out the big difference between a Serb and a Croat
During the second world war the croat's joined the nazis the serbs fought on . My wifes grandad (serbian) was put in a croat consentration camp and died there, two of the reasons serbs hate croats
Okay, but please can we hold back on this kind of historic/political point on here? There are plenty of things that could be thrown at us British people, too. I wouldn't want to be associated with the questionable actions of the Raj in India just because I'm from the UK.
[quote][p][bold]richard903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: If we hurry up and sign Tadic before Everton....the Southampton people will find out the big difference between a Serb and a Croat[/p][/quote]During the second world war the croat's joined the nazis the serbs fought on . My wifes grandad (serbian) was put in a croat consentration camp and died there, two of the reasons serbs hate croats[/p][/quote]Okay, but please can we hold back on this kind of historic/political point on here? There are plenty of things that could be thrown at us British people, too. I wouldn't want to be associated with the questionable actions of the Raj in India just because I'm from the UK. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 23

11:00am Mon 7 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

THEKILLER wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football
That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego
We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.
The design was changed at least 4 times after building had started materials used changed to more expensive ones because he did not like the look, that is why the whole build was stop start and took much longer.
I heard there was a problem with the original design, but I didn't know about the rest. Thanks.
[quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego[/p][/quote]We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.[/p][/quote]The design was changed at least 4 times after building had started materials used changed to more expensive ones because he did not like the look, that is why the whole build was stop start and took much longer.[/p][/quote]I heard there was a problem with the original design, but I didn't know about the rest. Thanks. Rising_Son
  • Score: 4

11:01am Mon 7 Jul 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Rising_Son wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football
That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego
We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.
But double the original budget of £15million??? .... C'mon!!! That's ridiculous.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego[/p][/quote]We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.[/p][/quote]But double the original budget of £15million??? .... C'mon!!! That's ridiculous. SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: -1

11:02am Mon 7 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

If Lovren likes You'll never walk alone so much - why not buy a CD or donload from internet ot tune into Celtic Champions League Games ....

.... I've heard excuses abouit lack of committment before - but that TOPS IT.
If Lovren likes You'll never walk alone so much - why not buy a CD or donload from internet ot tune into Celtic Champions League Games .... .... I've heard excuses abouit lack of committment before - but that TOPS IT. The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 21

11:10am Mon 7 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go.

Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go. Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity. george chivers
  • Score: 37

11:11am Mon 7 Jul 14

StPerryGroves says...

Well said, Simon. But Lovren, in his defence, has said that he had an old fashioned gentleman's agreement with Saints that allowed him to go if a club offered £20 million for him. I don't think he would make that up. Maybe Saints could at least confirm or deny that bit of the story before we lay into the player too much?
Well said, Simon. But Lovren, in his defence, has said that he had an old fashioned gentleman's agreement with Saints that allowed him to go if a club offered £20 million for him. I don't think he would make that up. Maybe Saints could at least confirm or deny that bit of the story before we lay into the player too much? StPerryGroves
  • Score: -5

11:14am Mon 7 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
richard903 wrote:
damoose wrote:
If we hurry up and sign Tadic before Everton....the Southampton people will find out the big difference between a Serb and a Croat
During the second world war the croat's joined the nazis the serbs fought on . My wifes grandad (serbian) was put in a croat consentration camp and died there, two of the reasons serbs hate croats
Okay, but please can we hold back on this kind of historic/political point on here? There are plenty of things that could be thrown at us British people, too. I wouldn't want to be associated with the questionable actions of the Raj in India just because I'm from the UK.
Have to agree with Stras.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]richard903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]damoose[/bold] wrote: If we hurry up and sign Tadic before Everton....the Southampton people will find out the big difference between a Serb and a Croat[/p][/quote]During the second world war the croat's joined the nazis the serbs fought on . My wifes grandad (serbian) was put in a croat consentration camp and died there, two of the reasons serbs hate croats[/p][/quote]Okay, but please can we hold back on this kind of historic/political point on here? There are plenty of things that could be thrown at us British people, too. I wouldn't want to be associated with the questionable actions of the Raj in India just because I'm from the UK.[/p][/quote]Have to agree with Stras. Rising_Son
  • Score: 5

11:17am Mon 7 Jul 14

notaclue says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
If Cortese was so good at selling his 'vision' to the players, how come he couldn't sell it to Kat?
Dunno. He did sell it to Markus though.
Because the final bill ends up with her, but she has stated that the club has to become self financing for its own good.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: If Cortese was so good at selling his 'vision' to the players, how come he couldn't sell it to Kat?[/p][/quote]Dunno. He did sell it to Markus though.[/p][/quote]Because the final bill ends up with her, but she has stated that the club has to become self financing for its own good. notaclue
  • Score: 5

11:18am Mon 7 Jul 14

Poole Tom says...

I think Lovren`s comments prove beyond doubt that 99% of players don`t give a stuff about their current employer`s, or the fans, but only themselves. So yes when we finally replace the recently departed players their attitude towards our club will I`m sure be no different in a year`s time if they then get the chance to double or treble their wages and play Champions League football elsewhere. The same goes for any of our other youngsters who prove themselves to be top class.Unfortunately for us we either accept the situation for what it is or walk away.
I think Lovren`s comments prove beyond doubt that 99% of players don`t give a stuff about their current employer`s, or the fans, but only themselves. So yes when we finally replace the recently departed players their attitude towards our club will I`m sure be no different in a year`s time if they then get the chance to double or treble their wages and play Champions League football elsewhere. The same goes for any of our other youngsters who prove themselves to be top class.Unfortunately for us we either accept the situation for what it is or walk away. Poole Tom
  • Score: 9

11:19am Mon 7 Jul 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
"He was close to the players.." LMFAO! The only thing he was close to was the Liebherr's chequebook!!

Another post proving the fact you are a complete tool.

You always sound like a spoilt brat that isn't getting his own way.

You've got the qualities that Liverpool like, why not jump ship with the rest of the idiots who have been sold a fake dream by your beloved Cortese. Or in the words of Le God "keep your trap shut!"
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]"He was close to the players.." LMFAO! The only thing he was close to was the Liebherr's chequebook!! Another post proving the fact you are a complete tool. You always sound like a spoilt brat that isn't getting his own way. You've got the qualities that Liverpool like, why not jump ship with the rest of the idiots who have been sold a fake dream by your beloved Cortese. Or in the words of Le God "keep your trap shut!" SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 12

11:20am Mon 7 Jul 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go.

Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.
Well said!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go. Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.[/p][/quote]Well said! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 8

11:21am Mon 7 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football
That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego
We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.
But double the original budget of £15million??? .... C'mon!!! That's ridiculous.
Not as ridiculous as you think: http://eureka.bodlei
an.ox.ac.uk/4943/1/S
SRN-id2382612_(2).pd
f
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego[/p][/quote]We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.[/p][/quote]But double the original budget of £15million??? .... C'mon!!! That's ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Not as ridiculous as you think: http://eureka.bodlei an.ox.ac.uk/4943/1/S SRN-id2382612_(2).pd f Rising_Son
  • Score: 3

11:24am Mon 7 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

StPerryGroves wrote:
Well said, Simon. But Lovren, in his defence, has said that he had an old fashioned gentleman's agreement with Saints that allowed him to go if a club offered £20 million for him. I don't think he would make that up. Maybe Saints could at least confirm or deny that bit of the story before we lay into the player too much?
Do you mean a verbal agreement?
[quote][p][bold]StPerryGroves[/bold] wrote: Well said, Simon. But Lovren, in his defence, has said that he had an old fashioned gentleman's agreement with Saints that allowed him to go if a club offered £20 million for him. I don't think he would make that up. Maybe Saints could at least confirm or deny that bit of the story before we lay into the player too much?[/p][/quote]Do you mean a verbal agreement? Rising_Son
  • Score: 4

11:25am Mon 7 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Rising_Son wrote:
StPerryGroves wrote:
Well said, Simon. But Lovren, in his defence, has said that he had an old fashioned gentleman's agreement with Saints that allowed him to go if a club offered £20 million for him. I don't think he would make that up. Maybe Saints could at least confirm or deny that bit of the story before we lay into the player too much?
Do you mean a verbal agreement?
And why would he need it? He'd bought into the dream, hadnt he?
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StPerryGroves[/bold] wrote: Well said, Simon. But Lovren, in his defence, has said that he had an old fashioned gentleman's agreement with Saints that allowed him to go if a club offered £20 million for him. I don't think he would make that up. Maybe Saints could at least confirm or deny that bit of the story before we lay into the player too much?[/p][/quote]Do you mean a verbal agreement?[/p][/quote]And why would he need it? He'd bought into the dream, hadnt he? Rising_Son
  • Score: 8

11:27am Mon 7 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go.

Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.
Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves.

I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader.

Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go. Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.[/p][/quote]Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves. I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader. Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 21

11:30am Mon 7 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
"He was close to the players.." LMFAO! The only thing he was close to was the Liebherr's chequebook!!

Another post proving the fact you are a complete tool.

You always sound like a spoilt brat that isn't getting his own way.

You've got the qualities that Liverpool like, why not jump ship with the rest of the idiots who have been sold a fake dream by your beloved Cortese. Or in the words of Le God "keep your trap shut!"
And another one!

Is this turning into a fascist regime or what? One view only allowed and off to the gas chamber with everyone else.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]"He was close to the players.." LMFAO! The only thing he was close to was the Liebherr's chequebook!! Another post proving the fact you are a complete tool. You always sound like a spoilt brat that isn't getting his own way. You've got the qualities that Liverpool like, why not jump ship with the rest of the idiots who have been sold a fake dream by your beloved Cortese. Or in the words of Le God "keep your trap shut!"[/p][/quote]And another one! Is this turning into a fascist regime or what? One view only allowed and off to the gas chamber with everyone else. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 12

11:53am Mon 7 Jul 14

Dubai-saints89 says...

TGodSFC wrote:
You can tell how angry Simon is in this article, hahaha love it. Lovern you’re a massive end, I hope the world can see you for what you really are. I sent him abuse via twitter and encourage you all to do the same. I wouldn’t normally but he defiantly deserves it. Le Tiss did several times and Lovern unfollowed him on Twitter hahahahaha!!!
i too gave him abuse on twitter and on instagram and he posted some picture just after having a dig at all the comments hes received. not my thing at all but really upset what he told the press back in Croatia. couldn't help but say something.
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: You can tell how angry Simon is in this article, hahaha love it. Lovern you’re a massive end, I hope the world can see you for what you really are. I sent him abuse via twitter and encourage you all to do the same. I wouldn’t normally but he defiantly deserves it. Le Tiss did several times and Lovern unfollowed him on Twitter hahahahaha!!![/p][/quote]i too gave him abuse on twitter and on instagram and he posted some picture just after having a dig at all the comments hes received. not my thing at all but really upset what he told the press back in Croatia. couldn't help but say something. Dubai-saints89
  • Score: 4

11:53am Mon 7 Jul 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

Great article by the way. Lets not be too hasty letting him go unless we are offered our asking price. To be honest I would be happy for him to train with the U18s as we don't need the money. He should hang his head in shame. How could any club trust a player who is prepared to say those things after 1 season? Disrespectful. He's not that good.
Great article by the way. Lets not be too hasty letting him go unless we are offered our asking price. To be honest I would be happy for him to train with the U18s as we don't need the money. He should hang his head in shame. How could any club trust a player who is prepared to say those things after 1 season? Disrespectful. He's not that good. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 6

11:58am Mon 7 Jul 14

Ontario Saint says...

This guy seems to enjoy bad publicity....in Brazil he was a sore loser and was part of the Croation team that it was alleged trashed the changing room after the soft penalty that was given against him. He then went to the Hotel in Rio and had a skinny dip pictures of which were made public for all the world to see. Now he is bad mouthing the Club he has a contract with and even the Liverpool fans do not like the disrespect he has shown Saints.

He is a total disgrace to the Saints and I think most of us would want him gone ASAP
This guy seems to enjoy bad publicity....in Brazil he was a sore loser and was part of the Croation team that it was alleged trashed the changing room after the soft penalty that was given against him. He then went to the Hotel in Rio and had a skinny dip pictures of which were made public for all the world to see. Now he is bad mouthing the Club he has a contract with and even the Liverpool fans do not like the disrespect he has shown Saints. He is a total disgrace to the Saints and I think most of us would want him gone ASAP Ontario Saint
  • Score: 10

12:05pm Mon 7 Jul 14

spratt says...

Chipmonk1 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
Seed some good points there and well reasoned. But it has been said that Cortese was only close to some of the players. I think it was Cork that said he barely saw/spoke to him. Cork is the prime example of how not everything was hunky dory under NC & MoPo and he has come out already and said how impressed he was by RoKo who IMO is better than his predecessor, after all no one had heard of him when he was appointed and he too had been sacked from his only gig b4 coming to us. I get the whole Ralph not delivering thing and I hope that he hears the unrest among a large portion of the fan base and acts. It was reported when he was appointed that he was a great motivational speaker so it is high time he started to motivate not just the players but the fans as well. I am myself optimistic. Lovren has said some stupid things and I think his place is untenable now unless he sits in front of a camera and apologies. Sadly these players live in a bubble and seem to have completely lost touch.
I totally agree with the comments re the new board in particular Kruger and Reed. Where is the "openness" we as fans were promised. They both seem to have gone to ground. So Mr Kruger "right now" (your favourite phrase) come out and face the fans and give the clubs official assessment of these extraordinary events that has astonished and concerned us all.
[quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]Seed some good points there and well reasoned. But it has been said that Cortese was only close to some of the players. I think it was Cork that said he barely saw/spoke to him. Cork is the prime example of how not everything was hunky dory under NC & MoPo and he has come out already and said how impressed he was by RoKo who IMO is better than his predecessor, after all no one had heard of him when he was appointed and he too had been sacked from his only gig b4 coming to us. I get the whole Ralph not delivering thing and I hope that he hears the unrest among a large portion of the fan base and acts. It was reported when he was appointed that he was a great motivational speaker so it is high time he started to motivate not just the players but the fans as well. I am myself optimistic. Lovren has said some stupid things and I think his place is untenable now unless he sits in front of a camera and apologies. Sadly these players live in a bubble and seem to have completely lost touch.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with the comments re the new board in particular Kruger and Reed. Where is the "openness" we as fans were promised. They both seem to have gone to ground. So Mr Kruger "right now" (your favourite phrase) come out and face the fans and give the clubs official assessment of these extraordinary events that has astonished and concerned us all. spratt
  • Score: 8

12:06pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Sainty saint saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football
That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego
We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.
It wasn't that long ago that Merchant of Doom and all-round business guru Seedhouse was complaining about how ridiculous it was that NC hadn't secured a fixed price contract for the training ground development.

He was apoplectic that there had been an overspend and claimed that any proper business person would have ensured the project came in on budget.

But now of course NC was always right and a business hero who would have kept everyone in line...

I for one am confused about whether NC was the bee's knees as a business man or a bit of a chancer...
I do think NC should have been kept away from the day to day running of a construction project. His attention to detail was bound to lead to delays and yes most larger projects are let on a fixed price basis for obvious reasons.

It's unfortunate that just because you disagree with me you feel you need to be rude.
Sorry, but what in my post was rude? Wasn't it just 'banter' - I thought you of all people would relish that, given some of your past posts to people who have disagreed with you and your forays onto the News site (and not to mention your penchant for disrespecting the owner of our club by calling her 'Fat' instead of 'Kat').

Anyway, the words pot, kettle and black come to mind regardless of whether you were deeply offended by my comments. Or are you trying to reinvent yourself as the voice of reason on this site?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego[/p][/quote]We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.[/p][/quote]It wasn't that long ago that Merchant of Doom and all-round business guru Seedhouse was complaining about how ridiculous it was that NC hadn't secured a fixed price contract for the training ground development. He was apoplectic that there had been an overspend and claimed that any proper business person would have ensured the project came in on budget. But now of course NC was always right and a business hero who would have kept everyone in line... I for one am confused about whether NC was the bee's knees as a business man or a bit of a chancer...[/p][/quote]I do think NC should have been kept away from the day to day running of a construction project. His attention to detail was bound to lead to delays and yes most larger projects are let on a fixed price basis for obvious reasons. It's unfortunate that just because you disagree with me you feel you need to be rude.[/p][/quote]Sorry, but what in my post was rude? Wasn't it just 'banter' - I thought you of all people would relish that, given some of your past posts to people who have disagreed with you and your forays onto the News site (and not to mention your penchant for disrespecting the owner of our club by calling her 'Fat' instead of 'Kat'). Anyway, the words pot, kettle and black come to mind regardless of whether you were deeply offended by my comments. Or are you trying to reinvent yourself as the voice of reason on this site? Sainty saint saint
  • Score: 23

12:08pm Mon 7 Jul 14

St Van Roetford says...

notaclue wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
If Cortese was so good at selling his 'vision' to the players, how come he couldn't sell it to Kat?
Dunno. He did sell it to Markus though.
Because the final bill ends up with her, but she has stated that the club has to become self financing for its own good.
Well, indeed. Cortese was burning through cash like billy-o (whoever he was) which was tremendously exciting from a fans' perspective but was also setting up a potential Pompey scenario should we aim for and miss the giddy heights.

I just think Kat has had a look and said we need to be a bit more sustainable than that; that we're not ruling out the Champions League but that we need to get a grip on spending, put a proper structure in place and push on gradually, which is a very 'Swiss' thing to do. We might have to wait for trophies for slightly longer than we would have with Cortese but I think Kat is building for more lasting success.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: If Cortese was so good at selling his 'vision' to the players, how come he couldn't sell it to Kat?[/p][/quote]Dunno. He did sell it to Markus though.[/p][/quote]Because the final bill ends up with her, but she has stated that the club has to become self financing for its own good.[/p][/quote]Well, indeed. Cortese was burning through cash like billy-o (whoever he was) which was tremendously exciting from a fans' perspective but was also setting up a potential Pompey scenario should we aim for and miss the giddy heights. I just think Kat has had a look and said we need to be a bit more sustainable than that; that we're not ruling out the Champions League but that we need to get a grip on spending, put a proper structure in place and push on gradually, which is a very 'Swiss' thing to do. We might have to wait for trophies for slightly longer than we would have with Cortese but I think Kat is building for more lasting success. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 18

12:14pm Mon 7 Jul 14

SarisburyGreen says...

What Lovren says is completely out of order but the plain fact is that the team is being dismantled because the club has spent way beyond its means in the past few seasons and the owners want their money back. They nearly always do, that's the problem with sugar daddies.
Lovren's been completely disrespectful but anyone can see he's going.
What Lovren says is completely out of order but the plain fact is that the team is being dismantled because the club has spent way beyond its means in the past few seasons and the owners want their money back. They nearly always do, that's the problem with sugar daddies. Lovren's been completely disrespectful but anyone can see he's going. SarisburyGreen
  • Score: 0

12:16pm Mon 7 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

Judging by the ridiculous anti-cortese comments ,most people here have deluded themselves into thinking everything is ok at our club .

We had a winner , a strong man in charge ,who for the first time since McMenemy days attracted really top players to our club . Cortese actually wanted our club to achieve something , for the 1st time in our history NOT to sell our young stars ....to better ourselves ..

He was the driving force , but Ms Liebherr (as is her right) doesn't share that ambition , and is obviously unwilling to finance it .

You would think you fans would love Cortese for actually TRYING to better our club ...But no , you defend the very people who have ruined the work done over the last 5 years .


Oh well ...Back to the year in year out slog of premier league survival ...selling every young star that comes along . That is all we have to look forward to ...Its what every saints fan is used to anyway .
Judging by the ridiculous anti-cortese comments ,most people here have deluded themselves into thinking everything is ok at our club . We had a winner , a strong man in charge ,who for the first time since McMenemy days attracted really top players to our club . Cortese actually wanted our club to achieve something , for the 1st time in our history NOT to sell our young stars ....to better ourselves .. He was the driving force , but Ms Liebherr (as is her right) doesn't share that ambition , and is obviously unwilling to finance it . You would think you fans would love Cortese for actually TRYING to better our club ...But no , you defend the very people who have ruined the work done over the last 5 years . Oh well ...Back to the year in year out slog of premier league survival ...selling every young star that comes along . That is all we have to look forward to ...Its what every saints fan is used to anyway . jasons odd
  • Score: -1

12:20pm Mon 7 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go.

Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.
Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves.

I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader.

Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them!
A great improvement!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go. Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.[/p][/quote]Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves. I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader. Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them![/p][/quote]A great improvement! george chivers
  • Score: -3

12:23pm Mon 7 Jul 14

SwedeSaint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
I completely agree. However, we are where we are! What is the solution? Do we just wipe our hands of him/them and get on with replacing them, or do we stand firm and hold players to their contract?
Personally as aggrieved as I am by the loss of players, I don't feel it is a good thing to keep players that will be a disruptive influence, in the camp.

We could well find ourselves in the same situation in a season or two with the new players signed that will have the opportunity to be put on the stage in the Premiership. I'm trying my best over here to remain positive, that there is a plan, that later this week we will have confirmation that Schneiderlin is staying based on the quality players we have signed, signing! No two ways about it though Lovren is/will be a huge loss!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]I completely agree. However, we are where we are! What is the solution? Do we just wipe our hands of him/them and get on with replacing them, or do we stand firm and hold players to their contract? Personally as aggrieved as I am by the loss of players, I don't feel it is a good thing to keep players that will be a disruptive influence, in the camp. We could well find ourselves in the same situation in a season or two with the new players signed that will have the opportunity to be put on the stage in the Premiership. I'm trying my best over here to remain positive, that there is a plan, that later this week we will have confirmation that Schneiderlin is staying based on the quality players we have signed, signing! No two ways about it though Lovren is/will be a huge loss! SwedeSaint
  • Score: 12

12:29pm Mon 7 Jul 14

mrtein says...

Thats the best peice of writing in the echo in living memory to the point where i had to check it wasnt Nick Illingsworth or some other fan based writer.

Tell you what though. Somehwere behind all this is something sinister. From who or what I have no idea. But whispers are starting...
Thats the best peice of writing in the echo in living memory to the point where i had to check it wasnt Nick Illingsworth or some other fan based writer. Tell you what though. Somehwere behind all this is something sinister. From who or what I have no idea. But whispers are starting... mrtein
  • Score: 26

12:31pm Mon 7 Jul 14

mrtein says...

Oh and if somebody from the echo reads this PLEASE take the picture of Ricky Lambert off of your daily digest email. He plays for some other cack team now.
Oh and if somebody from the echo reads this PLEASE take the picture of Ricky Lambert off of your daily digest email. He plays for some other cack team now. mrtein
  • Score: 6

12:33pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Beer Monster says...

Rising_Son wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football
That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego
We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.
But double the original budget of £15million??? .... C'mon!!! That's ridiculous.
Not as ridiculous as you think: http://eureka.bodlei

an.ox.ac.uk/4943/1/S

SRN-id2382612_(2).pd

f
Or the Edinburgh trams...
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-scotland-ed
inburgh-east-fife-27
159614

They even did a parody of it using the infamous Downfall sketch
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=7yOqU4-z
E5w
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego[/p][/quote]We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.[/p][/quote]But double the original budget of £15million??? .... C'mon!!! That's ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Not as ridiculous as you think: http://eureka.bodlei an.ox.ac.uk/4943/1/S SRN-id2382612_(2).pd f[/p][/quote]Or the Edinburgh trams... http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-scotland-ed inburgh-east-fife-27 159614 They even did a parody of it using the infamous Downfall sketch https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=7yOqU4-z E5w Beer Monster
  • Score: 2

12:40pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

jasons odd wrote:
Judging by the ridiculous anti-cortese comments ,most people here have deluded themselves into thinking everything is ok at our club .

We had a winner , a strong man in charge ,who for the first time since McMenemy days attracted really top players to our club . Cortese actually wanted our club to achieve something , for the 1st time in our history NOT to sell our young stars ....to better ourselves ..

He was the driving force , but Ms Liebherr (as is her right) doesn't share that ambition , and is obviously unwilling to finance it .

You would think you fans would love Cortese for actually TRYING to better our club ...But no , you defend the very people who have ruined the work done over the last 5 years .


Oh well ...Back to the year in year out slog of premier league survival ...selling every young star that comes along . That is all we have to look forward to ...Its what every saints fan is used to anyway .
Sssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
h! Not allowed to say that or you'll be in trouble!

The 'expensive' overspent team everyone now goes on about was:

Boruc free
Clyne £2m (Chambers free)
Fonte 1.2m
Lovren £7m
Shaw free
Schneiderlin free*
Lallana free
Davis £1.5m
Cork £750k
Rodreguez £7m
Lambert £1m

* Included in £13m purchase price of club.
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: Judging by the ridiculous anti-cortese comments ,most people here have deluded themselves into thinking everything is ok at our club . We had a winner , a strong man in charge ,who for the first time since McMenemy days attracted really top players to our club . Cortese actually wanted our club to achieve something , for the 1st time in our history NOT to sell our young stars ....to better ourselves .. He was the driving force , but Ms Liebherr (as is her right) doesn't share that ambition , and is obviously unwilling to finance it . You would think you fans would love Cortese for actually TRYING to better our club ...But no , you defend the very people who have ruined the work done over the last 5 years . Oh well ...Back to the year in year out slog of premier league survival ...selling every young star that comes along . That is all we have to look forward to ...Its what every saints fan is used to anyway .[/p][/quote]Sssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh h! Not allowed to say that or you'll be in trouble! The 'expensive' overspent team everyone now goes on about was: Boruc free Clyne £2m (Chambers free) Fonte 1.2m Lovren £7m Shaw free Schneiderlin free* Lallana free Davis £1.5m Cork £750k Rodreguez £7m Lambert £1m * Included in £13m purchase price of club. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 12

12:40pm Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

SarisburyGreen wrote:
What Lovren says is completely out of order but the plain fact is that the team is being dismantled because the club has spent way beyond its means in the past few seasons and the owners want their money back. They nearly always do, that's the problem with sugar daddies.
Lovren's been completely disrespectful but anyone can see he's going.
I don't know where you got the idea about the owner(s) but I suspect that you are wrong, Kat Liebherr is the only owner, and is showing no signs of cutting and running, so unless you have proof, I would like an apology for this post if you are proved wrong in the weeks to come. Or a "told you so" boast if it turns out that you are sadly correct.
[quote][p][bold]SarisburyGreen[/bold] wrote: What Lovren says is completely out of order but the plain fact is that the team is being dismantled because the club has spent way beyond its means in the past few seasons and the owners want their money back. They nearly always do, that's the problem with sugar daddies. Lovren's been completely disrespectful but anyone can see he's going.[/p][/quote]I don't know where you got the idea about the owner(s) but I suspect that you are wrong, Kat Liebherr is the only owner, and is showing no signs of cutting and running, so unless you have proof, I would like an apology for this post if you are proved wrong in the weeks to come. Or a "told you so" boast if it turns out that you are sadly correct. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

12:41pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Confucious says...

It gets worse. According to Confucious.com/sport
s, Chairman Meow, the club's 'top cat', has been offered two sachets of top quality Perle in Gravy a day, half a pint of full fat milk and a packet of Dreamies a day to go to Anfield.

According to reliable sources, Nicola, who recruited Chairman Meow told him that he would progress from A Div 1 cat to a Prem League cat - and if he caught 20 mice a day this coming season would be made a Champions League cat on 3 sachets of Felix Senior an hour.

It's being said that Nicola's ambition for Chairman Meow was completely unrealistic - not least since, like all cats, he is lazy, disloyal, irresponsible - and very mean just for the fun of it.

No surprise either that with their icon leaving, Tiddles, Tommo, Ben Fur and Big Wally are also now threatening to wander.

The mice are having a huge party.

I'm absolutely outraged by this whole thing. You'd think cats would behave rather better than players.
It gets worse. According to Confucious.com/sport s, Chairman Meow, the club's 'top cat', has been offered two sachets of top quality Perle in Gravy a day, half a pint of full fat milk and a packet of Dreamies a day to go to Anfield. According to reliable sources, Nicola, who recruited Chairman Meow told him that he would progress from A Div 1 cat to a Prem League cat - and if he caught 20 mice a day this coming season would be made a Champions League cat on 3 sachets of Felix Senior an hour. It's being said that Nicola's ambition for Chairman Meow was completely unrealistic - not least since, like all cats, he is lazy, disloyal, irresponsible - and very mean just for the fun of it. No surprise either that with their icon leaving, Tiddles, Tommo, Ben Fur and Big Wally are also now threatening to wander. The mice are having a huge party. I'm absolutely outraged by this whole thing. You'd think cats would behave rather better than players. Confucious
  • Score: -1

12:42pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go.

Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.
Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves.

I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader.

Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them!
A great improvement!
Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go. Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.[/p][/quote]Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves. I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader. Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them![/p][/quote]A great improvement![/p][/quote]Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

12:50pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Saint Jinx says...

andoru wrote:
The constant barrage of bad news is starting to get to me to be honest. I'm on the edge of breaking down completely. None of it makes any sense.
Please allow me to suggest counselling for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: The constant barrage of bad news is starting to get to me to be honest. I'm on the edge of breaking down completely. None of it makes any sense.[/p][/quote]Please allow me to suggest counselling for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Saint Jinx
  • Score: 3

12:50pm Mon 7 Jul 14

notaclue says...

jasons odd wrote:
Judging by the ridiculous anti-cortese comments ,most people here have deluded themselves into thinking everything is ok at our club .

We had a winner , a strong man in charge ,who for the first time since McMenemy days attracted really top players to our club . Cortese actually wanted our club to achieve something , for the 1st time in our history NOT to sell our young stars ....to better ourselves ..

He was the driving force , but Ms Liebherr (as is her right) doesn't share that ambition , and is obviously unwilling to finance it .

You would think you fans would love Cortese for actually TRYING to better our club ...But no , you defend the very people who have ruined the work done over the last 5 years .


Oh well ...Back to the year in year out slog of premier league survival ...selling every young star that comes along . That is all we have to look forward to ...Its what every saints fan is used to anyway .
If it was Corteses money to spend then I would agree with you - but it wasn't!
Listen I want to live in a bigger house, will you pay my mortgage or let me run up debt in your name without your knowledge?
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: Judging by the ridiculous anti-cortese comments ,most people here have deluded themselves into thinking everything is ok at our club . We had a winner , a strong man in charge ,who for the first time since McMenemy days attracted really top players to our club . Cortese actually wanted our club to achieve something , for the 1st time in our history NOT to sell our young stars ....to better ourselves .. He was the driving force , but Ms Liebherr (as is her right) doesn't share that ambition , and is obviously unwilling to finance it . You would think you fans would love Cortese for actually TRYING to better our club ...But no , you defend the very people who have ruined the work done over the last 5 years . Oh well ...Back to the year in year out slog of premier league survival ...selling every young star that comes along . That is all we have to look forward to ...Its what every saints fan is used to anyway .[/p][/quote]If it was Corteses money to spend then I would agree with you - but it wasn't! Listen I want to live in a bigger house, will you pay my mortgage or let me run up debt in your name without your knowledge? notaclue
  • Score: 10

12:54pm Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go.

Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.
Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves.

I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader.

Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them!
A great improvement!
Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker!
I guess that was supposed to be a joke eh? I assure you it isn't funny this time.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go. Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.[/p][/quote]Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves. I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader. Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them![/p][/quote]A great improvement![/p][/quote]Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker![/p][/quote]I guess that was supposed to be a joke eh? I assure you it isn't funny this time. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

12:56pm Mon 7 Jul 14

durhamsaint87 says...

The Echo is not sure how they feel about what has happened at St Mary's, but I'm pleased they are asking the right questions. However, reading all the post's, fans seem quite curtain it's the money. Take what drivilepool are doing, buying players in all position as if money grows on trees. How many ex-players will be on the bench next season?
Then what about manure! Just seen they are after another left back. Who is going to be they left back?
Money talks contracts don't. Most of us fans feel it's all about money. Saints are ambitious Ronald would not of signed a three year deal. Cortese only gave MoPo a two & half year deal. So who's ambitious? It's clear there has been underhand tactics by someone to bring the club down? I wonder who that can be!!!! Make your own mind up, but keep the red side of Hampshire flying because we are the best team south of Watford. COYR's.
The Echo is not sure how they feel about what has happened at St Mary's, but I'm pleased they are asking the right questions. However, reading all the post's, fans seem quite curtain it's the money. Take what drivilepool are doing, buying players in all position as if money grows on trees. How many ex-players will be on the bench next season? Then what about manure! Just seen they are after another left back. Who is going to be they left back? Money talks contracts don't. Most of us fans feel it's all about money. Saints are ambitious Ronald would not of signed a three year deal. Cortese only gave MoPo a two & half year deal. So who's ambitious? It's clear there has been underhand tactics by someone to bring the club down? I wonder who that can be!!!! Make your own mind up, but keep the red side of Hampshire flying because we are the best team south of Watford. COYR's. durhamsaint87
  • Score: 10

12:58pm Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Confucious wrote:
It gets worse. According to Confucious.com/sport

s, Chairman Meow, the club's 'top cat', has been offered two sachets of top quality Perle in Gravy a day, half a pint of full fat milk and a packet of Dreamies a day to go to Anfield.

According to reliable sources, Nicola, who recruited Chairman Meow told him that he would progress from A Div 1 cat to a Prem League cat - and if he caught 20 mice a day this coming season would be made a Champions League cat on 3 sachets of Felix Senior an hour.

It's being said that Nicola's ambition for Chairman Meow was completely unrealistic - not least since, like all cats, he is lazy, disloyal, irresponsible - and very mean just for the fun of it.

No surprise either that with their icon leaving, Tiddles, Tommo, Ben Fur and Big Wally are also now threatening to wander.

The mice are having a huge party.

I'm absolutely outraged by this whole thing. You'd think cats would behave rather better than players.
They will go as there are plenty of rats to chase.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: It gets worse. According to Confucious.com/sport s, Chairman Meow, the club's 'top cat', has been offered two sachets of top quality Perle in Gravy a day, half a pint of full fat milk and a packet of Dreamies a day to go to Anfield. According to reliable sources, Nicola, who recruited Chairman Meow told him that he would progress from A Div 1 cat to a Prem League cat - and if he caught 20 mice a day this coming season would be made a Champions League cat on 3 sachets of Felix Senior an hour. It's being said that Nicola's ambition for Chairman Meow was completely unrealistic - not least since, like all cats, he is lazy, disloyal, irresponsible - and very mean just for the fun of it. No surprise either that with their icon leaving, Tiddles, Tommo, Ben Fur and Big Wally are also now threatening to wander. The mice are having a huge party. I'm absolutely outraged by this whole thing. You'd think cats would behave rather better than players.[/p][/quote]They will go as there are plenty of rats to chase. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -7

1:03pm Mon 7 Jul 14

7saint7 says...

Dejan Lovren is like a little baby whos spat out his dummy. The spoiled prat needs to be punished & Fined when he steps out of line . And used as a bench warmer in pre season match's .
And Told your only be sold when its right for the club & not you.
ie ..when are price is meet & a better cb is on his way.
Dejan Lovren is like a little baby whos spat out his dummy. The spoiled prat needs to be punished & Fined when he steps out of line . And used as a bench warmer in pre season match's . And Told your only be sold when its right for the club & not you. ie ..when are price is meet & a better cb is on his way. 7saint7
  • Score: 3

1:06pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Saint Jinx says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Good article espousing everything all us supportes feel regardless of who else may be to blame….

Never have I seen players so direspectul of any club who have done them no harm, what on earth are they doing, if they want to leave that is one thing but it seems that they want to ensure their leaving causes the maximum damage, I wonder as to the motives.

Nonetheless, strong board management in the abscence of a managr should have quelled this revolt, we may have had to let them go but the damage limitation should have been firmly in place.

ie "you can go for xyz provided you do not direspect the club or it's reputation…etc.

One thing is for sure Lallana and Lovren are going to know How Harry felt whenreturning to pompey with us.
I seem to remember Berbatov being the same when he wanted to leave Spurs for Man U (btw, it is very disrespectful of people to say Manure, can you imagine how Man U fans must feel - that should stop) but the problem here is that half our team wants out. That is almost unprecedented. And the same applies to Van Persie, Fabregas, Nasri and others, but not all at the same time.
The antics of this summer are pathetic. How shallow of these players, and I am afraid that includes RL - he has been used.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good article espousing everything all us supportes feel regardless of who else may be to blame…. Never have I seen players so direspectul of any club who have done them no harm, what on earth are they doing, if they want to leave that is one thing but it seems that they want to ensure their leaving causes the maximum damage, I wonder as to the motives. Nonetheless, strong board management in the abscence of a managr should have quelled this revolt, we may have had to let them go but the damage limitation should have been firmly in place. ie "you can go for xyz provided you do not direspect the club or it's reputation…etc. One thing is for sure Lallana and Lovren are going to know How Harry felt whenreturning to pompey with us.[/p][/quote]I seem to remember Berbatov being the same when he wanted to leave Spurs for Man U (btw, it is very disrespectful of people to say Manure, can you imagine how Man U fans must feel - that should stop) but the problem here is that half our team wants out. That is almost unprecedented. And the same applies to Van Persie, Fabregas, Nasri and others, but not all at the same time. The antics of this summer are pathetic. How shallow of these players, and I am afraid that includes RL - he has been used. Saint Jinx
  • Score: 7

1:09pm Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

andoru wrote:
The constant barrage of bad news is starting to get to me to be honest. I'm on the edge of breaking down completely. None of it makes any sense.
Sorry to hear that, it is a bad time for all of us, I don't know why we are being treated like this, I always thought that good guys get good rewards, you have to be a bit special to follow the trials and tribulations of being a Saints supporter. broad shoulders, thick skin, hard head and above all, below normal intelligence. No one in their right mind would be doing this. The ability to think positive is very painful indeed. Can't help you much other than to say you are not alone in this, we all have to man up and take what fate throws at us. Keep Calm and support Southampton FC.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: The constant barrage of bad news is starting to get to me to be honest. I'm on the edge of breaking down completely. None of it makes any sense.[/p][/quote]Sorry to hear that, it is a bad time for all of us, I don't know why we are being treated like this, I always thought that good guys get good rewards, you have to be a bit special to follow the trials and tribulations of being a Saints supporter. broad shoulders, thick skin, hard head and above all, below normal intelligence. No one in their right mind would be doing this. The ability to think positive is very painful indeed. Can't help you much other than to say you are not alone in this, we all have to man up and take what fate throws at us. Keep Calm and support Southampton FC. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

1:12pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Golden_Salamander says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
That was as good a post as it could be, as long as you understand what it is saying, almost up to Confuscious standards. Lovren said he doesn't know who the top man is, probably confused over the fact it is in fact a top woman? Or did he mean the Manager, did no one tell him RonKo got the job?
By top man he was referring to the replacement of Cortese. Ralph does not seem to have stepped up to the mark as 'leader' of this great club thereby creating a vacuum. Les Reeds role has dramatically increased and we all have to hope he can deliver as our future is very much in his hands. KL sits on the board but does not lead it, but as ultimate shareholder obviously the power rests with her. Then we have Gareth Rodgers as CEO, a role Cortese used to combine with Chairman and then there's Hans Hofstetter whose role is non too clear. Do you see his dilemma?
Some good posts.

It is interesting that Adam Blackmore said yesterday

"I still believe #saintsfc new board would have avoided problems by appointing former B'burn exec John Williams to board when they had chance"
" Williams has reputation for being excellent with players & contracts and is a football man through & through, would have filled Cortese void"

IMO that void / vacuum that Ralph is NOT filling is being used by agents/other clubs.
I wonder if that Saints fan - John Williams is still available ?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]That was as good a post as it could be, as long as you understand what it is saying, almost up to Confuscious standards. Lovren said he doesn't know who the top man is, probably confused over the fact it is in fact a top woman? Or did he mean the Manager, did no one tell him RonKo got the job?[/p][/quote]By top man he was referring to the replacement of Cortese. Ralph does not seem to have stepped up to the mark as 'leader' of this great club thereby creating a vacuum. Les Reeds role has dramatically increased and we all have to hope he can deliver as our future is very much in his hands. KL sits on the board but does not lead it, but as ultimate shareholder obviously the power rests with her. Then we have Gareth Rodgers as CEO, a role Cortese used to combine with Chairman and then there's Hans Hofstetter whose role is non too clear. Do you see his dilemma?[/p][/quote]Some good posts. It is interesting that Adam Blackmore said yesterday "I still believe #saintsfc new board would have avoided problems by appointing former B'burn exec John Williams to board when they had chance" " Williams has reputation for being excellent with players & contracts and is a football man through & through, would have filled Cortese void" IMO that void / vacuum that Ralph is NOT filling is being used by agents/other clubs. I wonder if that Saints fan - John Williams is still available ? Golden_Salamander
  • Score: 15

1:16pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Sainty saint saint says...

Anyone have any idea what's going on with Boruc? I feel like I've missed something along the way, but I haven't seen him in the preseason photos nor the photoshoot for the new kit... are there rumours that he's unhappy and wants out too or is he just on an extended break for some reason?
Anyone have any idea what's going on with Boruc? I feel like I've missed something along the way, but I haven't seen him in the preseason photos nor the photoshoot for the new kit... are there rumours that he's unhappy and wants out too or is he just on an extended break for some reason? Sainty saint saint
  • Score: -4

1:26pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Northam Girl says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Anyone have any idea what's going on with Boruc? I feel like I've missed something along the way, but I haven't seen him in the preseason photos nor the photoshoot for the new kit... are there rumours that he's unhappy and wants out too or is he just on an extended break for some reason?
He's had extra leave as he got married. I saw a tweet from him yesterday that gave the impression he's not happy with the way wantaway players are treating SFC and fans
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: Anyone have any idea what's going on with Boruc? I feel like I've missed something along the way, but I haven't seen him in the preseason photos nor the photoshoot for the new kit... are there rumours that he's unhappy and wants out too or is he just on an extended break for some reason?[/p][/quote]He's had extra leave as he got married. I saw a tweet from him yesterday that gave the impression he's not happy with the way wantaway players are treating SFC and fans Northam Girl
  • Score: 13

1:27pm Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
That was as good a post as it could be, as long as you understand what it is saying, almost up to Confuscious standards. Lovren said he doesn't know who the top man is, probably confused over the fact it is in fact a top woman? Or did he mean the Manager, did no one tell him RonKo got the job?
By top man he was referring to the replacement of Cortese. Ralph does not seem to have stepped up to the mark as 'leader' of this great club thereby creating a vacuum. Les Reeds role has dramatically increased and we all have to hope he can deliver as our future is very much in his hands. KL sits on the board but does not lead it, but as ultimate shareholder obviously the power rests with her. Then we have Gareth Rodgers as CEO, a role Cortese used to combine with Chairman and then there's Hans Hofstetter whose role is non too clear. Do you see his dilemma?
Yes, I see it, but he should be looking to the Manager for guidance, it was a unique case that NC had too much influence on the players, when it wasn't in his remit, the Team Manager / Head Coach should be the person dealing with the players, not the Chairman. In AP and NA we had yes man managers, who probably got the boot when they suddenly said no, MP, I am not so sure about, different class, not necessarily better.
I wonder if an hour behind closed doors for Lovren to talk with RonKo could create a change of heart? Mistakes appear to have been made on both sides of the fence in my opinion, but without the true facts I prefer to keep most of my thoughts on the matter on hold for now.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]That was as good a post as it could be, as long as you understand what it is saying, almost up to Confuscious standards. Lovren said he doesn't know who the top man is, probably confused over the fact it is in fact a top woman? Or did he mean the Manager, did no one tell him RonKo got the job?[/p][/quote]By top man he was referring to the replacement of Cortese. Ralph does not seem to have stepped up to the mark as 'leader' of this great club thereby creating a vacuum. Les Reeds role has dramatically increased and we all have to hope he can deliver as our future is very much in his hands. KL sits on the board but does not lead it, but as ultimate shareholder obviously the power rests with her. Then we have Gareth Rodgers as CEO, a role Cortese used to combine with Chairman and then there's Hans Hofstetter whose role is non too clear. Do you see his dilemma?[/p][/quote]Yes, I see it, but he should be looking to the Manager for guidance, it was a unique case that NC had too much influence on the players, when it wasn't in his remit, the Team Manager / Head Coach should be the person dealing with the players, not the Chairman. In AP and NA we had yes man managers, who probably got the boot when they suddenly said no, MP, I am not so sure about, different class, not necessarily better. I wonder if an hour behind closed doors for Lovren to talk with RonKo could create a change of heart? Mistakes appear to have been made on both sides of the fence in my opinion, but without the true facts I prefer to keep most of my thoughts on the matter on hold for now. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -7

1:28pm Mon 7 Jul 14

florida saint says...

Osvaldo slapped the wrong center half... u t s
Osvaldo slapped the wrong center half... u t s florida saint
  • Score: 27

1:28pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Mary80 says...

What are the club meant to do when players want to leave? Handcuff them to the goalpost? If they want to leave we can't exactly stop them
What are the club meant to do when players want to leave? Handcuff them to the goalpost? If they want to leave we can't exactly stop them Mary80
  • Score: 5

1:32pm Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Anyone have any idea what's going on with Boruc? I feel like I've missed something along the way, but I haven't seen him in the preseason photos nor the photoshoot for the new kit... are there rumours that he's unhappy and wants out too or is he just on an extended break for some reason?
Arturs first tweet was along the lines of, I am back batteries recharged and ready for action, a following tweet was a cryptic message seeming to be aimed at the wantaways, I think he is staying for now. His extended leave was because he got married, I hope that doesn't mellow him too much.
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: Anyone have any idea what's going on with Boruc? I feel like I've missed something along the way, but I haven't seen him in the preseason photos nor the photoshoot for the new kit... are there rumours that he's unhappy and wants out too or is he just on an extended break for some reason?[/p][/quote]Arturs first tweet was along the lines of, I am back batteries recharged and ready for action, a following tweet was a cryptic message seeming to be aimed at the wantaways, I think he is staying for now. His extended leave was because he got married, I hope that doesn't mellow him too much. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

1:38pm Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go.

Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.
Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves.

I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader.

Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them!
A great improvement!
Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker!
I guess that was supposed to be a joke eh? I assure you it isn't funny this time.
Before you hit the TD button, I understood the nuance, I am not sure others will, don't want Seed booted off through a misunderstood sense of humour.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go. Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.[/p][/quote]Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves. I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader. Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them![/p][/quote]A great improvement![/p][/quote]Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker![/p][/quote]I guess that was supposed to be a joke eh? I assure you it isn't funny this time.[/p][/quote]Before you hit the TD button, I understood the nuance, I am not sure others will, don't want Seed booted off through a misunderstood sense of humour. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -7

1:38pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

We've spent a lot of time focussing on the want away players. How about some speculation on who the 'glad MP's gone' players might be?

I'd go for Jack Cork, JWP and Yoshida.
We've spent a lot of time focussing on the want away players. How about some speculation on who the 'glad MP's gone' players might be? I'd go for Jack Cork, JWP and Yoshida. Rising_Son
  • Score: 7

1:51pm Mon 7 Jul 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
Seed a couple of problems with that post,
Firstly, st Markus was not a self made billionaire, his farther started and ran the liebherr company and became a self made billionaire but after his passing the company was equally split between his children, ST Markus being one of them. Its fair to assume that his fortune was equally split as well. ST Markus later handed back most of his shares and ran his own Mali group of companies. So whilst he did make a fortune running those companies he didn't start from scratch and would have been taught his business skills by his farther. So he was an heir to a fortune himself, just like KL is. Its also fair to assume that ST Markus would have taught his one and only heir about business and how to run companies so I don't think she hasn't got a business brain, after all she isn't one of those vacuous dullard heirs you see on 'mad in Chelsea'. Put it this way seed, you have kids and I assume you want them to take over your companies in the future, so I'm willing to bet you teach them how to do that, don't you?

Secondly, NC made promises to players that he could never have kept, well without investing something like £100mill in players this summer, that would have had to continue over several seasons and whilst KL is a multi billionaire the FA's FTP rules would never allow it! I wouldn't want to go down that route either, we do not want to 'd a poopey'. NC claimed that other clubs chairmen respected him and wouldn't have put a bid in for our players for another year, so we would have lost them next season anyway, and thats if they respected him! However do you really think other clubs wouldn't have bid or the players wouldn't have wanted to go just because he said so?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]Seed a couple of problems with that post, Firstly, st Markus was not a self made billionaire, his farther started and ran the liebherr company and became a self made billionaire but after his passing the company was equally split between his children, ST Markus being one of them. Its fair to assume that his fortune was equally split as well. ST Markus later handed back most of his shares and ran his own Mali group of companies. So whilst he did make a fortune running those companies he didn't start from scratch and would have been taught his business skills by his farther. So he was an heir to a fortune himself, just like KL is. Its also fair to assume that ST Markus would have taught his one and only heir about business and how to run companies so I don't think she hasn't got a business brain, after all she isn't one of those vacuous dullard heirs you see on 'mad in Chelsea'. Put it this way seed, you have kids and I assume you want them to take over your companies in the future, so I'm willing to bet you teach them how to do that, don't you? Secondly, NC made promises to players that he could never have kept, well without investing something like £100mill in players this summer, that would have had to continue over several seasons and whilst KL is a multi billionaire the FA's FTP rules would never allow it! I wouldn't want to go down that route either, we do not want to 'd a poopey'. NC claimed that other clubs chairmen respected him and wouldn't have put a bid in for our players for another year, so we would have lost them next season anyway, and thats if they respected him! However do you really think other clubs wouldn't have bid or the players wouldn't have wanted to go just because he said so? el caballo santos101
  • Score: 6

1:53pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Les better pull his socks(and farahs) up!! Because Everton are in for tadic.
Will we be haggling over 25grand until he swans off to the toffees.pelles transfer taking a while.ralph is probably playing hardball knowing him,he loves exciting new challenges.the players really love les,he has such a good relationship with the whole squad.he wasn't just corteses gofer.
All these players and manager decided to leave at the same time and it's just coincidence? Yeah they are greedy but all together? No something is rotten in the borough of st marysville.
It's getting late so goodnight to all my fans on here.
(They will be the ones writing under here)
Les better pull his socks(and farahs) up!! Because Everton are in for tadic. Will we be haggling over 25grand until he swans off to the toffees.pelles transfer taking a while.ralph is probably playing hardball knowing him,he loves exciting new challenges.the players really love les,he has such a good relationship with the whole squad.he wasn't just corteses gofer. All these players and manager decided to leave at the same time and it's just coincidence? Yeah they are greedy but all together? No something is rotten in the borough of st marysville. It's getting late so goodnight to all my fans on here. (They will be the ones writing under here) Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 0

1:54pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
If Cortese was so good at selling his 'vision' to the players, how come he couldn't sell it to Kat?
Shoulda gone to Specsavers.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: If Cortese was so good at selling his 'vision' to the players, how come he couldn't sell it to Kat?[/p][/quote]Shoulda gone to Specsavers. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 5

2:09pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

The thing is, while ML was alive and NC at the helm, NC could be as ambitious as he liked knowing that ML backed him. Unfortunately, KL didn't offer that same degree of backing, or so it would seem. It all comes from Ml's unfortunate death as far as I am concerned. Anyway, that's all history now. Time to move on, deal with the fall out, get as much dosh as we can for anyone we don't want to keep for whatever reason, get some new players in as soon as we can so they get a full pre-season in and then try to finish as high as we can in the league (same as last season, the one before than and all the others). La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme...or something like that...I'm sure we'll all be there on the edge of our seats next season watching some great games.
The thing is, while ML was alive and NC at the helm, NC could be as ambitious as he liked knowing that ML backed him. Unfortunately, KL didn't offer that same degree of backing, or so it would seem. It all comes from Ml's unfortunate death as far as I am concerned. Anyway, that's all history now. Time to move on, deal with the fall out, get as much dosh as we can for anyone we don't want to keep for whatever reason, get some new players in as soon as we can so they get a full pre-season in and then try to finish as high as we can in the league (same as last season, the one before than and all the others). La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme...or something like that...I'm sure we'll all be there on the edge of our seats next season watching some great games. Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 9

2:10pm Mon 7 Jul 14

miltonarcher says...

For those of you that didn't catch it in the gutter press, I have informed SFC that I no longer wish to support the club. I only want to support teams that play in or have ambitions to play in the CL. My head, and various other body parts are already at these clubs. I would like to thank SFC for the rollercoaster ride and hope that the club understand my motives for the reluctant action I am taking £££££'s .
For those of you that didn't catch it in the gutter press, I have informed SFC that I no longer wish to support the club. I only want to support teams that play in or have ambitions to play in the CL. My head, and various other body parts are already at these clubs. I would like to thank SFC for the rollercoaster ride and hope that the club understand my motives for the reluctant action I am taking £££££'s . miltonarcher
  • Score: 18

2:11pm Mon 7 Jul 14

St Van Roetford says...

Rising_Son wrote:
We've spent a lot of time focussing on the want away players. How about some speculation on who the 'glad MP's gone' players might be?

I'd go for Jack Cork, JWP and Yoshida.
I thought you were talking about the mysterious kiddie-fiddling Tory MPs from the 80s for a minute there. That's how 'over' MoPo I am...
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: We've spent a lot of time focussing on the want away players. How about some speculation on who the 'glad MP's gone' players might be? I'd go for Jack Cork, JWP and Yoshida.[/p][/quote]I thought you were talking about the mysterious kiddie-fiddling Tory MPs from the 80s for a minute there. That's how 'over' MoPo I am... St Van Roetford
  • Score: -3

2:14pm Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Les better pull his socks(and farahs) up!! Because Everton are in for tadic.
Will we be haggling over 25grand until he swans off to the toffees.pelles transfer taking a while.ralph is probably playing hardball knowing him,he loves exciting new challenges.the players really love les,he has such a good relationship with the whole squad.he wasn't just corteses gofer.
All these players and manager decided to leave at the same time and it's just coincidence? Yeah they are greedy but all together? No something is rotten in the borough of st marysville.
It's getting late so goodnight to all my fans on here.
(They will be the ones writing under here)
Your ego seems to match Dejans, I think you have got less fans on here than I have, and I don't know who he is either.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Les better pull his socks(and farahs) up!! Because Everton are in for tadic. Will we be haggling over 25grand until he swans off to the toffees.pelles transfer taking a while.ralph is probably playing hardball knowing him,he loves exciting new challenges.the players really love les,he has such a good relationship with the whole squad.he wasn't just corteses gofer. All these players and manager decided to leave at the same time and it's just coincidence? Yeah they are greedy but all together? No something is rotten in the borough of st marysville. It's getting late so goodnight to all my fans on here. (They will be the ones writing under here)[/p][/quote]Your ego seems to match Dejans, I think you have got less fans on here than I have, and I don't know who he is either. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

2:15pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Littleton-Saint says...

As Krüger would appear to be conspicuous by his absence, would Katharina please provide some leadership on the club's vision, aims and objectives?
As Krüger would appear to be conspicuous by his absence, would Katharina please provide some leadership on the club's vision, aims and objectives? Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 1

2:17pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Chipmonk1 says...

StPerryGroves wrote:
Well said, Simon. But Lovren, in his defence, has said that he had an old fashioned gentleman's agreement with Saints that allowed him to go if a club offered £20 million for him. I don't think he would make that up. Maybe Saints could at least confirm or deny that bit of the story before we lay into the player too much?
Yes but the gentleman's agreement would have been with Cortese who is no longer in a position to honour it. Suck it up Princess and sit down with RoKo have a chat and then pull on the red and white stripes and show your ambition by helping Saints to success in cups and/or league.
[quote][p][bold]StPerryGroves[/bold] wrote: Well said, Simon. But Lovren, in his defence, has said that he had an old fashioned gentleman's agreement with Saints that allowed him to go if a club offered £20 million for him. I don't think he would make that up. Maybe Saints could at least confirm or deny that bit of the story before we lay into the player too much?[/p][/quote]Yes but the gentleman's agreement would have been with Cortese who is no longer in a position to honour it. Suck it up Princess and sit down with RoKo have a chat and then pull on the red and white stripes and show your ambition by helping Saints to success in cups and/or league. Chipmonk1
  • Score: -1

2:19pm Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

miltonarcher wrote:
For those of you that didn't catch it in the gutter press, I have informed SFC that I no longer wish to support the club. I only want to support teams that play in or have ambitions to play in the CL. My head, and various other body parts are already at these clubs. I would like to thank SFC for the rollercoaster ride and hope that the club understand my motives for the reluctant action I am taking £££££'s .
You get todays star prize, A season ticket in the Milton End at Fratton Park, just missed out on the second prize, two tickets.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: For those of you that didn't catch it in the gutter press, I have informed SFC that I no longer wish to support the club. I only want to support teams that play in or have ambitions to play in the CL. My head, and various other body parts are already at these clubs. I would like to thank SFC for the rollercoaster ride and hope that the club understand my motives for the reluctant action I am taking £££££'s .[/p][/quote]You get todays star prize, A season ticket in the Milton End at Fratton Park, just missed out on the second prize, two tickets. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

2:21pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Saintnick71 says...

What is the point of contracts? If he doesn't want to play for us let him rot in the under 21 and watch his career fold, then he might show some respect to all the people who have contributed to his wages over the past year.
SFC are his employee and not his head or agent!
Koeman to come good and show the want-away players what a mistake they made!
What is the point of contracts? If he doesn't want to play for us let him rot in the under 21 and watch his career fold, then he might show some respect to all the people who have contributed to his wages over the past year. SFC are his employee and not his head or agent! Koeman to come good and show the want-away players what a mistake they made! Saintnick71
  • Score: 1

2:21pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Confucious says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go.

Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.
Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves.

I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader.

Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them!
A great improvement!
Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker!
I guess that was supposed to be a joke eh? I assure you it isn't funny this time.
I think you are misunderstanding Osprey. By saying gofukcyourself Seed is simply using a popular idiom which means "go away". There is also sometimes an additionally insulting implication with this idiom that the person to whom it is addressed would not be able to find anyone else to have sex with and would therefore have to employ self manipulation.

However, it is not meant literally - though I'm supposing this is precisely where you are finding a humorous element ie wrongly picturing George somehow trying to loop his whatsit under himself in order to enter his own back door.

I think Seed's comment was rather terse, but after all, he has, quite understandably, got the 'ump at present. However, I think the implications and unpleasant pictures that you have conjured up by pursuing Seed's comment and inviting analysis are a little beyond the pale.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go. Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.[/p][/quote]Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves. I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader. Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them![/p][/quote]A great improvement![/p][/quote]Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker![/p][/quote]I guess that was supposed to be a joke eh? I assure you it isn't funny this time.[/p][/quote]I think you are misunderstanding Osprey. By saying gofukcyourself Seed is simply using a popular idiom which means "go away". There is also sometimes an additionally insulting implication with this idiom that the person to whom it is addressed would not be able to find anyone else to have sex with and would therefore have to employ self manipulation. However, it is not meant literally - though I'm supposing this is precisely where you are finding a humorous element ie wrongly picturing George somehow trying to loop his whatsit under himself in order to enter his own back door. I think Seed's comment was rather terse, but after all, he has, quite understandably, got the 'ump at present. However, I think the implications and unpleasant pictures that you have conjured up by pursuing Seed's comment and inviting analysis are a little beyond the pale. Confucious
  • Score: 16

2:25pm Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Confucious wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go.

Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.
Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves.

I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader.

Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them!
A great improvement!
Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker!
I guess that was supposed to be a joke eh? I assure you it isn't funny this time.
I think you are misunderstanding Osprey. By saying gofukcyourself Seed is simply using a popular idiom which means "go away". There is also sometimes an additionally insulting implication with this idiom that the person to whom it is addressed would not be able to find anyone else to have sex with and would therefore have to employ self manipulation.

However, it is not meant literally - though I'm supposing this is precisely where you are finding a humorous element ie wrongly picturing George somehow trying to loop his whatsit under himself in order to enter his own back door.

I think Seed's comment was rather terse, but after all, he has, quite understandably, got the 'ump at present. However, I think the implications and unpleasant pictures that you have conjured up by pursuing Seed's comment and inviting analysis are a little beyond the pale.
I agree with everything you said, didn't understand it, but I have to agree with you.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go. Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.[/p][/quote]Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves. I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader. Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them![/p][/quote]A great improvement![/p][/quote]Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker![/p][/quote]I guess that was supposed to be a joke eh? I assure you it isn't funny this time.[/p][/quote]I think you are misunderstanding Osprey. By saying gofukcyourself Seed is simply using a popular idiom which means "go away". There is also sometimes an additionally insulting implication with this idiom that the person to whom it is addressed would not be able to find anyone else to have sex with and would therefore have to employ self manipulation. However, it is not meant literally - though I'm supposing this is precisely where you are finding a humorous element ie wrongly picturing George somehow trying to loop his whatsit under himself in order to enter his own back door. I think Seed's comment was rather terse, but after all, he has, quite understandably, got the 'ump at present. However, I think the implications and unpleasant pictures that you have conjured up by pursuing Seed's comment and inviting analysis are a little beyond the pale.[/p][/quote]I agree with everything you said, didn't understand it, but I have to agree with you. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

2:29pm Mon 7 Jul 14

SarisburyGreen says...

mrtein wrote:
Thats the best peice of writing in the echo in living memory to the point where i had to check it wasnt Nick Illingsworth or some other fan based writer.

Tell you what though. Somehwere behind all this is something sinister. From who or what I have no idea. But whispers are starting...
There is too much punctuation in the piece for it to be by Nick Illingsworth.
:-)
[quote][p][bold]mrtein[/bold] wrote: Thats the best peice of writing in the echo in living memory to the point where i had to check it wasnt Nick Illingsworth or some other fan based writer. Tell you what though. Somehwere behind all this is something sinister. From who or what I have no idea. But whispers are starting...[/p][/quote]There is too much punctuation in the piece for it to be by Nick Illingsworth. :-) SarisburyGreen
  • Score: 2

2:29pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Dave Juson says...

I would just like to say that I do not feel as if I have been knifed through the heart. I really get exasperated by some of the overly emotive sentiments pumped onto this site concerning Saints, especially when comes from journalists who have no affiliations or regard to Southampton and its highly esteemed football club.
Dejan Lovren is talking through his posterior, and the Echo feels compelled to analyse the result and pass it on for its readers consumption. This condition is known to the scientific community as coprophilia.
I would just like to say that I do not feel as if I have been knifed through the heart. I really get exasperated by some of the overly emotive sentiments pumped onto this site concerning Saints, especially when comes from journalists who have no affiliations or regard to Southampton and its highly esteemed football club. Dejan Lovren is talking through his posterior, and the Echo feels compelled to analyse the result and pass it on for its readers consumption. This condition is known to the scientific community as coprophilia. Dave Juson
  • Score: -2

2:30pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
The thing is, while ML was alive and NC at the helm, NC could be as ambitious as he liked knowing that ML backed him. Unfortunately, KL didn't offer that same degree of backing, or so it would seem. It all comes from Ml's unfortunate death as far as I am concerned. Anyway, that's all history now. Time to move on, deal with the fall out, get as much dosh as we can for anyone we don't want to keep for whatever reason, get some new players in as soon as we can so they get a full pre-season in and then try to finish as high as we can in the league (same as last season, the one before than and all the others). La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme...or something like that...I'm sure we'll all be there on the edge of our seats next season watching some great games.
That's about the sum of it CKILC,well said.
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: The thing is, while ML was alive and NC at the helm, NC could be as ambitious as he liked knowing that ML backed him. Unfortunately, KL didn't offer that same degree of backing, or so it would seem. It all comes from Ml's unfortunate death as far as I am concerned. Anyway, that's all history now. Time to move on, deal with the fall out, get as much dosh as we can for anyone we don't want to keep for whatever reason, get some new players in as soon as we can so they get a full pre-season in and then try to finish as high as we can in the league (same as last season, the one before than and all the others). La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme...or something like that...I'm sure we'll all be there on the edge of our seats next season watching some great games.[/p][/quote]That's about the sum of it CKILC,well said. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

2:37pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Sainty saint saint says...

Northam Girl wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
Anyone have any idea what's going on with Boruc? I feel like I've missed something along the way, but I haven't seen him in the preseason photos nor the photoshoot for the new kit... are there rumours that he's unhappy and wants out too or is he just on an extended break for some reason?
He's had extra leave as he got married. I saw a tweet from him yesterday that gave the impression he's not happy with the way wantaway players are treating SFC and fans
Aah, thanks, that makes sense. Was wondering why he wasn't in any photos on the official site. Phew. Glad he's still around.
[quote][p][bold]Northam Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: Anyone have any idea what's going on with Boruc? I feel like I've missed something along the way, but I haven't seen him in the preseason photos nor the photoshoot for the new kit... are there rumours that he's unhappy and wants out too or is he just on an extended break for some reason?[/p][/quote]He's had extra leave as he got married. I saw a tweet from him yesterday that gave the impression he's not happy with the way wantaway players are treating SFC and fans[/p][/quote]Aah, thanks, that makes sense. Was wondering why he wasn't in any photos on the official site. Phew. Glad he's still around. Sainty saint saint
  • Score: 3

2:38pm Mon 7 Jul 14

justaSaintsfan says...

Thank you Simon Carter. Please keep up your good work by writing more articles favouring Southampton FC!!!
Thank you Simon Carter. Please keep up your good work by writing more articles favouring Southampton FC!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 10

2:39pm Mon 7 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
The thing is, while ML was alive and NC at the helm, NC could be as ambitious as he liked knowing that ML backed him. Unfortunately, KL didn't offer that same degree of backing, or so it would seem. It all comes from Ml's unfortunate death as far as I am concerned. Anyway, that's all history now. Time to move on, deal with the fall out, get as much dosh as we can for anyone we don't want to keep for whatever reason, get some new players in as soon as we can so they get a full pre-season in and then try to finish as high as we can in the league (same as last season, the one before than and all the others). La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme...or something like that...I'm sure we'll all be there on the edge of our seats next season watching some great games.
not quite.... The club was an investment , not a status symbol for the Leibherrs. Notice the plural.... Getting to the Prem from div1 was an investment no brainer. KL did the correct thing, the thing that any savvy business person would do. She acted so as not to jeopardise the investment. Cortese just got carried away and in the meantime supporters have mistaken long contracts as loyalty agreements , when they were in fact just obvious business decisions. Carrot and stick. Regards ambition , Koeman would not move to a club without ambition, its just not the ambition that some unrealistically thought. Most football players are as thick as dog sh1t and Lovren is not exactly Einstein but he is right in one respect , £20M does give us a fabulous profit and surely he is better to go and then we can get on about building a decent defence with the players we have plus 2 or 3 more...
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: The thing is, while ML was alive and NC at the helm, NC could be as ambitious as he liked knowing that ML backed him. Unfortunately, KL didn't offer that same degree of backing, or so it would seem. It all comes from Ml's unfortunate death as far as I am concerned. Anyway, that's all history now. Time to move on, deal with the fall out, get as much dosh as we can for anyone we don't want to keep for whatever reason, get some new players in as soon as we can so they get a full pre-season in and then try to finish as high as we can in the league (same as last season, the one before than and all the others). La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme...or something like that...I'm sure we'll all be there on the edge of our seats next season watching some great games.[/p][/quote]not quite.... The club was an investment , not a status symbol for the Leibherrs. Notice the plural.... Getting to the Prem from div1 was an investment no brainer. KL did the correct thing, the thing that any savvy business person would do. She acted so as not to jeopardise the investment. Cortese just got carried away and in the meantime supporters have mistaken long contracts as loyalty agreements , when they were in fact just obvious business decisions. Carrot and stick. Regards ambition , Koeman would not move to a club without ambition, its just not the ambition that some unrealistically thought. Most football players are as thick as dog sh1t and Lovren is not exactly Einstein but he is right in one respect , £20M does give us a fabulous profit and surely he is better to go and then we can get on about building a decent defence with the players we have plus 2 or 3 more... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 1

2:46pm Mon 7 Jul 14

milton road says...

It is not surprising that KL wanted more financial control of the club, I think that is a modest response to a project that went 100% over value, design changes etc or not.
For those that seem to worry about where and how the 30 million will be paid, it would of been paid monthly as the work continued which is normal practice in construction. Therefore the vast majority of it has been paid. There will be a retention normally 15% that will be paid after a certain period.
Amongst all the hype as the media have looked to dismantle the club since Christmas. There was one paper that gave a very realistic view of the situation of Cortese's departure. That he could of named his own salary to stay. Yet the rift was over the fact KL was for slowing down the amount of money spent generally, not stopping it, but there are other projects like ground expansion to be considered etc and that she wanted to clear some of the outstanding money first such as owed transfer monies and the remaining payments on the training facility. Whilst the 30 mil transfer kitty was likely to be available the 80-100 million that would of been required to take Saints the extra step up would not be available without selling players. They also said that KL had no intention of selling the club now or in the near future. That she had refused several bids including one that was believed to be backing Cortese.
That to me has always seemed the most likely article to be the truth. Cortese wanted to really go for it and KL no less so but on careful and studied plan.
Cortese was massive for this club and it was a blow to lose him. Its two people with the same plan but each seeing a different path on how to do it. Many of us will remember a Leeds that just spent money like no tomorrow won the league got in the CL and got knocked out and the club fell to financial pieces. It was all too fast.
The thing to take into consideration is KL could of walked away and made a heap of money and she hasn't. Okay we can turn on the board and Les Reed said no player would leave this club unless it was right for the club. He has not lied, at the end of the day if a player really wants to go all you can do is get the right price and he has probably got the best price possible and stuck to it until it was achieved, he seems to be doing the same with Lovren, there is not much else he can do.
In real truth and cutting through everything maybe Markus and KL should of had more say from the start, then if Cortese went it would not of created the upheaval it did. Where has Lovren been he talks about new owners...um no,....they are the same just Cortese went. Same as Poch talking about Cortese brought him to the club....um no.....KL's money did.
I will be honest i always think Shaw was going to go after a season and he signed professional forms for Saints so that when he did they would get a good deal for him.
Adam is near on 27 and probably thought this might be his only chance of CL, probably not expecting the season to kick off for him as it did.
Lovren saw us as a stepping stone same as Poch.
Morgan is more structured about things he could of gone ages ago there has been enough offers for him even back when we were heading into admin and he stuck with us. He may go now.
Yet its more about us doing well and people wanting our manager and players at the very peak of football. I doubt even Cortese could stop that.
I am no less disappointed than anyone else but w can come out of this better and more experienced. let us hope that is the way forward.
It is not surprising that KL wanted more financial control of the club, I think that is a modest response to a project that went 100% over value, design changes etc or not. For those that seem to worry about where and how the 30 million will be paid, it would of been paid monthly as the work continued which is normal practice in construction. Therefore the vast majority of it has been paid. There will be a retention normally 15% that will be paid after a certain period. Amongst all the hype as the media have looked to dismantle the club since Christmas. There was one paper that gave a very realistic view of the situation of Cortese's departure. That he could of named his own salary to stay. Yet the rift was over the fact KL was for slowing down the amount of money spent generally, not stopping it, but there are other projects like ground expansion to be considered etc and that she wanted to clear some of the outstanding money first such as owed transfer monies and the remaining payments on the training facility. Whilst the 30 mil transfer kitty was likely to be available the 80-100 million that would of been required to take Saints the extra step up would not be available without selling players. They also said that KL had no intention of selling the club now or in the near future. That she had refused several bids including one that was believed to be backing Cortese. That to me has always seemed the most likely article to be the truth. Cortese wanted to really go for it and KL no less so but on careful and studied plan. Cortese was massive for this club and it was a blow to lose him. Its two people with the same plan but each seeing a different path on how to do it. Many of us will remember a Leeds that just spent money like no tomorrow won the league got in the CL and got knocked out and the club fell to financial pieces. It was all too fast. The thing to take into consideration is KL could of walked away and made a heap of money and she hasn't. Okay we can turn on the board and Les Reed said no player would leave this club unless it was right for the club. He has not lied, at the end of the day if a player really wants to go all you can do is get the right price and he has probably got the best price possible and stuck to it until it was achieved, he seems to be doing the same with Lovren, there is not much else he can do. In real truth and cutting through everything maybe Markus and KL should of had more say from the start, then if Cortese went it would not of created the upheaval it did. Where has Lovren been he talks about new owners...um no,....they are the same just Cortese went. Same as Poch talking about Cortese brought him to the club....um no.....KL's money did. I will be honest i always think Shaw was going to go after a season and he signed professional forms for Saints so that when he did they would get a good deal for him. Adam is near on 27 and probably thought this might be his only chance of CL, probably not expecting the season to kick off for him as it did. Lovren saw us as a stepping stone same as Poch. Morgan is more structured about things he could of gone ages ago there has been enough offers for him even back when we were heading into admin and he stuck with us. He may go now. Yet its more about us doing well and people wanting our manager and players at the very peak of football. I doubt even Cortese could stop that. I am no less disappointed than anyone else but w can come out of this better and more experienced. let us hope that is the way forward. milton road
  • Score: 23

2:53pm Mon 7 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Confucious wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go.

Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.
Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves.

I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader.

Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them!
A great improvement!
Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker!
I guess that was supposed to be a joke eh? I assure you it isn't funny this time.
I think you are misunderstanding Osprey. By saying gofukcyourself Seed is simply using a popular idiom which means "go away". There is also sometimes an additionally insulting implication with this idiom that the person to whom it is addressed would not be able to find anyone else to have sex with and would therefore have to employ self manipulation.

However, it is not meant literally - though I'm supposing this is precisely where you are finding a humorous element ie wrongly picturing George somehow trying to loop his whatsit under himself in order to enter his own back door.

I think Seed's comment was rather terse, but after all, he has, quite understandably, got the 'ump at present. However, I think the implications and unpleasant pictures that you have conjured up by pursuing Seed's comment and inviting analysis are a little beyond the pale.
Very funny Con!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go. Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.[/p][/quote]Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves. I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader. Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them![/p][/quote]A great improvement![/p][/quote]Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker![/p][/quote]I guess that was supposed to be a joke eh? I assure you it isn't funny this time.[/p][/quote]I think you are misunderstanding Osprey. By saying gofukcyourself Seed is simply using a popular idiom which means "go away". There is also sometimes an additionally insulting implication with this idiom that the person to whom it is addressed would not be able to find anyone else to have sex with and would therefore have to employ self manipulation. However, it is not meant literally - though I'm supposing this is precisely where you are finding a humorous element ie wrongly picturing George somehow trying to loop his whatsit under himself in order to enter his own back door. I think Seed's comment was rather terse, but after all, he has, quite understandably, got the 'ump at present. However, I think the implications and unpleasant pictures that you have conjured up by pursuing Seed's comment and inviting analysis are a little beyond the pale.[/p][/quote]Very funny Con! george chivers
  • Score: -1

2:58pm Mon 7 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go.

Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.
Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves.

I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader.

Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them!
A great improvement!
Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker!
At last I feel appreciated. And thanks for the suggestion I'll try to get round to doing it sometime. In the meantime... time for my afternoon nap.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go. Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.[/p][/quote]Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves. I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader. Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them![/p][/quote]A great improvement![/p][/quote]Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker![/p][/quote]At last I feel appreciated. And thanks for the suggestion I'll try to get round to doing it sometime. In the meantime... time for my afternoon nap. george chivers
  • Score: 12

3:11pm Mon 7 Jul 14

rednwhite72 says...

Louven or whomever is representing his opinions are so full of shït its laughable, not only the facts that have been presented above but him suggesting he doesn't know who id in charge of the club, its really of no consequence to him who owns or runs the business, his boss was poch before he decided that he wanted to leave, against the clubs wishes i might add, but now its RK whom he hasn't even had the decency to meet, and the comment about the fee that Liverpool made? Again what the flying duck has that got to do with him. Fair enough you want to leave but have a little bit of respect and stop crying like a little child, go meet your employers and work it out like a grown-up. Its not a case of we want you to stay, because frankly now i hope you do go, you have burnt your bridges and lost any respect there was. Cmon RK lets spend some dough, give us some fresh blood...COYR!
Louven or whomever is representing his opinions are so full of shït its laughable, not only the facts that have been presented above but him suggesting he doesn't know who id in charge of the club, its really of no consequence to him who owns or runs the business, his boss was poch before he decided that he wanted to leave, against the clubs wishes i might add, but now its RK whom he hasn't even had the decency to meet, and the comment about the fee that Liverpool made? Again what the flying duck has that got to do with him. Fair enough you want to leave but have a little bit of respect and stop crying like a little child, go meet your employers and work it out like a grown-up. Its not a case of we want you to stay, because frankly now i hope you do go, you have burnt your bridges and lost any respect there was. Cmon RK lets spend some dough, give us some fresh blood...COYR! rednwhite72
  • Score: 2

3:17pm Mon 7 Jul 14

just kidding says...

THEKILLER wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football
That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego
We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.
The design was changed at least 4 times after building had started materials used changed to more expensive ones because he did not like the look, that is why the whole build was stop start and took much longer.
To say nothing of the extra cost involved for environmental remediation after they discovered Pompey mold in the walls. I think that almost doubled the cost right there.
[quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: It is all Cortese's fault because he was making unrealistic promises to players about have unlimited funds to achieve Champions League football That is why Kat took back control of the club , after all it was her money he was spending with out clearing it first, for example a £15 million training ground costing £30 million because of his ego[/p][/quote]We don't know why the training ground costs went up but cost overruns are not uncommon in the construction business.[/p][/quote]The design was changed at least 4 times after building had started materials used changed to more expensive ones because he did not like the look, that is why the whole build was stop start and took much longer.[/p][/quote]To say nothing of the extra cost involved for environmental remediation after they discovered Pompey mold in the walls. I think that almost doubled the cost right there. just kidding
  • Score: 3

3:21pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go.

Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.
Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves.

I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader.

Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them!
A great improvement!
Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker!
At last I feel appreciated. And thanks for the suggestion I'll try to get round to doing it sometime. In the meantime... time for my afternoon nap.
Well try and be tolerant of other peoples opinions that don't happen to match your own - unless they're stinking bottom dwelling slime sucking revolting skates of course!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go. Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.[/p][/quote]Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves. I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader. Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them![/p][/quote]A great improvement![/p][/quote]Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker![/p][/quote]At last I feel appreciated. And thanks for the suggestion I'll try to get round to doing it sometime. In the meantime... time for my afternoon nap.[/p][/quote]Well try and be tolerant of other peoples opinions that don't happen to match your own - unless they're stinking bottom dwelling slime sucking revolting skates of course! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

3:24pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Saint Surrey says...

Littleton-Saint wrote:
As Krüger would appear to be conspicuous by his absence, would Katharina please provide some leadership on the club's vision, aims and objectives?
The aims and ambitions were stated right at the beginning of this year. We're aiming for Europe using a sustainable business model. No time scale was mentioned, but it doesn't include throwing money the business does not have at it, as Cortese wanted, and it does not include unattainable promises, as Cortese seems to have made.
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: As Krüger would appear to be conspicuous by his absence, would Katharina please provide some leadership on the club's vision, aims and objectives?[/p][/quote]The aims and ambitions were stated right at the beginning of this year. We're aiming for Europe using a sustainable business model. No time scale was mentioned, but it doesn't include throwing money the business does not have at it, as Cortese wanted, and it does not include unattainable promises, as Cortese seems to have made. Saint Surrey
  • Score: 5

3:27pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Out of interest, if Cortese was so bloody useless why did Markus insist he ran the club otherwise he wouldn't buy it? Just asking like...

Also he trusted him with investing his money prior to buying the Saints, and I believe he had a bob or two.
Out of interest, if Cortese was so bloody useless why did Markus insist he ran the club otherwise he wouldn't buy it? Just asking like... Also he trusted him with investing his money prior to buying the Saints, and I believe he had a bob or two. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 7

3:34pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

Goalkeepers.
Guillermo Ochoa (Free, amazing when he was younger, disappeared for a bit, but still amazing in the world cup and Ajaccio thought he was there best player, worth a go).

Maxym Koval (Dynamo Kiev, could become one of the best goalkeepers in the world, buyable).

Jasper Cillessen (Ajax, Not better than Boruc in my opinion but good competition, buyable).

Centre Backs.
Bruno-Martins Indi (Feynoord,Establishe
d in Hollands team, Going to Porto for less than £10 mill, we should get him, surely Koeman helps.

Shkodran Mustafi (Sampdoria, Future Germany CB, played at RB this world cup, lkely to be competition but huge future, not quite Hummels though, worth a go).

Virgil Van Dijk (Celtic, I believe will be Hollands best CB, is far more athletic than all of the others with a more rounded game, good replacement for Lovren, buyable).

Terrence Kongolo (Feyenoord, him and Indi have a higher ceiling than De Vrij when it comes to Feyenoord’s CB’s, buyable).

Eder Balanta (River Plate, Columbia’s future CB, buyable).

Left Back.
Ricardo Rodriguez (Wolfsburg, couldn't cost more than £13mill, buyable).

Jetro Willems (PSV, missed world cup through injury. Definite starter over Blind if fit, buyable).

Central Midfielders.
Jordy Classie (Feyenoord, Dutch Xavi, Koeman must mean he's buyable).

Right Wingers.

Richairo Zivkovic (Ajax, next big Dutch superstar. Higher cealing than Memphis Depay, not to expensive, buyable).

Juan Cuadrado (Fiorentina, if we're willing to spend £15mil on players and compete with a few bigger clubs, worth a go).

Wilfried Zaha (Bad season at United and Cardiff, but was a beast before and still is, just needed a chance, buyable).

Left wing.
Alvaro Vadillo (Betis, Relegeted with Betis, therefore buyable, Spain’s future left winger, buyable).

Attack Midfielders.
Kevin De Bruyne (Wolfsburg, worth a bid, may cost £20 mil though but will be one of the worlds best, buyable).

Bernard (Shaktar, same as De Bruyne, worth a go).

Patrick Roberts (Fulham, Will become England's best player, buyable.).

Strikers.
Enner Valencia (Pachuca, amazing at the world cup, can finish, is strong, unbelievable athletic, must buy in my opinion, buyable).

Leandro Damiao, (Santos, Flopped at Santos, wants to come to Europe, only £12 mill now, worth a go).

Romelu Lukaku (Chelsea want to sell, Manzukic to Athletico, worth a bid but close to £20mill).

Luis Muriel (Udinese, would cost £15 mill, future Columbia number 9, worth a go.

We should sell, All the deadwood players: Hoiiveld, Sharpe, Fox, Mayuka etc. As well as Osvaldo, Ramirez, Yoshida, Steven Davis.. Use that money to further strengthen the squad.

Take your pick from these players, 1GK, 3 CB’s, 1 CM, 1 AM, 1 RW, 1 LW, 2 STRIKERS.

Sell Lovren and Schbeiderlin if they both want to go and buy more replacements, if we brought players like these with our £80, £60, £100 mill whatever it is.

This is a much better team than last season if we could pull it off.

GK - Ochoa/Koval.
RB - Clyne/Chambers.
CB's - Indi and Van Dijk.
LB - Willems/Rodriguez.
CM - Classie and Wanyama (JWP too).
RW - Cuadrado/Zivkovic
LW - J Rod.
CAM - De Bruyne/Bernard (I'd buy Roberts and starts him like Shaw).
ST - Valenica/Lukaku/Dami
ao/Muriel (Gallagher 3rd choice).
Goalkeepers. Guillermo Ochoa (Free, amazing when he was younger, disappeared for a bit, but still amazing in the world cup and Ajaccio thought he was there best player, worth a go). Maxym Koval (Dynamo Kiev, could become one of the best goalkeepers in the world, buyable). Jasper Cillessen (Ajax, Not better than Boruc in my opinion but good competition, buyable). Centre Backs. Bruno-Martins Indi (Feynoord,Establishe d in Hollands team, Going to Porto for less than £10 mill, we should get him, surely Koeman helps. Shkodran Mustafi (Sampdoria, Future Germany CB, played at RB this world cup, lkely to be competition but huge future, not quite Hummels though, worth a go). Virgil Van Dijk (Celtic, I believe will be Hollands best CB, is far more athletic than all of the others with a more rounded game, good replacement for Lovren, buyable). Terrence Kongolo (Feyenoord, him and Indi have a higher ceiling than De Vrij when it comes to Feyenoord’s CB’s, buyable). Eder Balanta (River Plate, Columbia’s future CB, buyable). Left Back. Ricardo Rodriguez (Wolfsburg, couldn't cost more than £13mill, buyable). Jetro Willems (PSV, missed world cup through injury. Definite starter over Blind if fit, buyable). Central Midfielders. Jordy Classie (Feyenoord, Dutch Xavi, Koeman must mean he's buyable). Right Wingers. Richairo Zivkovic (Ajax, next big Dutch superstar. Higher cealing than Memphis Depay, not to expensive, buyable). Juan Cuadrado (Fiorentina, if we're willing to spend £15mil on players and compete with a few bigger clubs, worth a go). Wilfried Zaha (Bad season at United and Cardiff, but was a beast before and still is, just needed a chance, buyable). Left wing. Alvaro Vadillo (Betis, Relegeted with Betis, therefore buyable, Spain’s future left winger, buyable). Attack Midfielders. Kevin De Bruyne (Wolfsburg, worth a bid, may cost £20 mil though but will be one of the worlds best, buyable). Bernard (Shaktar, same as De Bruyne, worth a go). Patrick Roberts (Fulham, Will become England's best player, buyable.). Strikers. Enner Valencia (Pachuca, amazing at the world cup, can finish, is strong, unbelievable athletic, must buy in my opinion, buyable). Leandro Damiao, (Santos, Flopped at Santos, wants to come to Europe, only £12 mill now, worth a go). Romelu Lukaku (Chelsea want to sell, Manzukic to Athletico, worth a bid but close to £20mill). Luis Muriel (Udinese, would cost £15 mill, future Columbia number 9, worth a go. We should sell, All the deadwood players: Hoiiveld, Sharpe, Fox, Mayuka etc. As well as Osvaldo, Ramirez, Yoshida, Steven Davis.. Use that money to further strengthen the squad. Take your pick from these players, 1GK, 3 CB’s, 1 CM, 1 AM, 1 RW, 1 LW, 2 STRIKERS. Sell Lovren and Schbeiderlin if they both want to go and buy more replacements, if we brought players like these with our £80, £60, £100 mill whatever it is. This is a much better team than last season if we could pull it off. GK - Ochoa/Koval. RB - Clyne/Chambers. CB's - Indi and Van Dijk. LB - Willems/Rodriguez. CM - Classie and Wanyama (JWP too). RW - Cuadrado/Zivkovic LW - J Rod. CAM - De Bruyne/Bernard (I'd buy Roberts and starts him like Shaw). ST - Valenica/Lukaku/Dami ao/Muriel (Gallagher 3rd choice). Gormzzz
  • Score: 0

3:40pm Mon 7 Jul 14

redsnapper says...

Great ..Finally an original piece of writing which isn't ct n paste and says it how it is. Keep going Simon....this is just what is needed some intelligent comments and thinking. Nothing less than the supporters deserve.
Great ..Finally an original piece of writing which isn't ct n paste and says it how it is. Keep going Simon....this is just what is needed some intelligent comments and thinking. Nothing less than the supporters deserve. redsnapper
  • Score: 5

3:40pm Mon 7 Jul 14

BracknellSaint says...

Best article in the Echo for ages! Well done!
Lots of questions need to be asked, because something or somebody is up in the background. Seriously, I can't believe that these grown men, professional footballers, could believe that team only just back from the lower/ cruddy leagues, would be in the CL within a couple of years??
Either Cortese really was dillusional, or the players really are as stupid as they sound..Probably both.
Man U, City, Chelsea. That's three CL places guaranteed in a normal year. Then add it Arsenal(who've been there every year) , Liverpool, Everton, Spurs...it means even when one or two have an off year (like Utd last season) the chances of anyone else getting into the top four, is next to nothing. However, with careful, slow growth over the nex 5-6 seasons, then maybe Saints could have pushed to get into that 'elite' bunch. That's hardly rocket science, so I can only ever assume that the players do, in fact, just want more money....
Best article in the Echo for ages! Well done! Lots of questions need to be asked, because something or somebody is up in the background. Seriously, I can't believe that these grown men, professional footballers, could believe that team only just back from the lower/ cruddy leagues, would be in the CL within a couple of years?? Either Cortese really was dillusional, or the players really are as stupid as they sound..Probably both. Man U, City, Chelsea. That's three CL places guaranteed in a normal year. Then add it Arsenal(who've been there every year) , Liverpool, Everton, Spurs...it means even when one or two have an off year (like Utd last season) the chances of anyone else getting into the top four, is next to nothing. However, with careful, slow growth over the nex 5-6 seasons, then maybe Saints could have pushed to get into that 'elite' bunch. That's hardly rocket science, so I can only ever assume that the players do, in fact, just want more money.... BracknellSaint
  • Score: 6

3:44pm Mon 7 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

milton road wrote:
It is not surprising that KL wanted more financial control of the club, I think that is a modest response to a project that went 100% over value, design changes etc or not.
For those that seem to worry about where and how the 30 million will be paid, it would of been paid monthly as the work continued which is normal practice in construction. Therefore the vast majority of it has been paid. There will be a retention normally 15% that will be paid after a certain period.
Amongst all the hype as the media have looked to dismantle the club since Christmas. There was one paper that gave a very realistic view of the situation of Cortese's departure. That he could of named his own salary to stay. Yet the rift was over the fact KL was for slowing down the amount of money spent generally, not stopping it, but there are other projects like ground expansion to be considered etc and that she wanted to clear some of the outstanding money first such as owed transfer monies and the remaining payments on the training facility. Whilst the 30 mil transfer kitty was likely to be available the 80-100 million that would of been required to take Saints the extra step up would not be available without selling players. They also said that KL had no intention of selling the club now or in the near future. That she had refused several bids including one that was believed to be backing Cortese.
That to me has always seemed the most likely article to be the truth. Cortese wanted to really go for it and KL no less so but on careful and studied plan.
Cortese was massive for this club and it was a blow to lose him. Its two people with the same plan but each seeing a different path on how to do it. Many of us will remember a Leeds that just spent money like no tomorrow won the league got in the CL and got knocked out and the club fell to financial pieces. It was all too fast.
The thing to take into consideration is KL could of walked away and made a heap of money and she hasn't. Okay we can turn on the board and Les Reed said no player would leave this club unless it was right for the club. He has not lied, at the end of the day if a player really wants to go all you can do is get the right price and he has probably got the best price possible and stuck to it until it was achieved, he seems to be doing the same with Lovren, there is not much else he can do.
In real truth and cutting through everything maybe Markus and KL should of had more say from the start, then if Cortese went it would not of created the upheaval it did. Where has Lovren been he talks about new owners...um no,....they are the same just Cortese went. Same as Poch talking about Cortese brought him to the club....um no.....KL's money did.
I will be honest i always think Shaw was going to go after a season and he signed professional forms for Saints so that when he did they would get a good deal for him.
Adam is near on 27 and probably thought this might be his only chance of CL, probably not expecting the season to kick off for him as it did.
Lovren saw us as a stepping stone same as Poch.
Morgan is more structured about things he could of gone ages ago there has been enough offers for him even back when we were heading into admin and he stuck with us. He may go now.
Yet its more about us doing well and people wanting our manager and players at the very peak of football. I doubt even Cortese could stop that.
I am no less disappointed than anyone else but w can come out of this better and more experienced. let us hope that is the way forward.
All the talk of financial common sense is commendable and to the more accountancy minded as opposed to opportunity minded it makes sense, there is however a huge and unusual factor not normally if ever afforded a club outside of the top 5….

Firstly is this, KL is already sat on a huge profit from fathers investment in SFC, Nicola Cortese's alleged spendthrift ways aside…and I mean huge, few if any business's especially not football reap a potential £200-250 million return for an initial £13 million outlay….

Secondly, no existing non top 5 club has ever been so near to a breakthrough (50 million) into the elite for a) such little money (in relative terms) and b) in light of the pre existing value with zero actual risk..

The Swiss method of doing things has waved it's dead hand over our 'attainable' and affordable dream…I know what they are like, vision, panache, losing a single franc are all alien concepts..even the Ferrari's are grey as are most of the people…

The Father knew what he was doing with Saints as did Cortese, KL is being advised on a safety first policy which 99% of the time would be wise, however she has surrendered a prize beyond anything anyone could have dreamed and surrendered it to conserve a massive profit, there was no risk to the real value she has already benefitted from…worse case £250 million becomes £200 million…

..that ladies and gentleman is why so many of us are upset George Chivers take note…as an aside I am or at least was a pretty serious businessman and KL had the chance of turning our provincial club into a global brand..that happens once in a lifetime if you are very lucky AND spot it..
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: It is not surprising that KL wanted more financial control of the club, I think that is a modest response to a project that went 100% over value, design changes etc or not. For those that seem to worry about where and how the 30 million will be paid, it would of been paid monthly as the work continued which is normal practice in construction. Therefore the vast majority of it has been paid. There will be a retention normally 15% that will be paid after a certain period. Amongst all the hype as the media have looked to dismantle the club since Christmas. There was one paper that gave a very realistic view of the situation of Cortese's departure. That he could of named his own salary to stay. Yet the rift was over the fact KL was for slowing down the amount of money spent generally, not stopping it, but there are other projects like ground expansion to be considered etc and that she wanted to clear some of the outstanding money first such as owed transfer monies and the remaining payments on the training facility. Whilst the 30 mil transfer kitty was likely to be available the 80-100 million that would of been required to take Saints the extra step up would not be available without selling players. They also said that KL had no intention of selling the club now or in the near future. That she had refused several bids including one that was believed to be backing Cortese. That to me has always seemed the most likely article to be the truth. Cortese wanted to really go for it and KL no less so but on careful and studied plan. Cortese was massive for this club and it was a blow to lose him. Its two people with the same plan but each seeing a different path on how to do it. Many of us will remember a Leeds that just spent money like no tomorrow won the league got in the CL and got knocked out and the club fell to financial pieces. It was all too fast. The thing to take into consideration is KL could of walked away and made a heap of money and she hasn't. Okay we can turn on the board and Les Reed said no player would leave this club unless it was right for the club. He has not lied, at the end of the day if a player really wants to go all you can do is get the right price and he has probably got the best price possible and stuck to it until it was achieved, he seems to be doing the same with Lovren, there is not much else he can do. In real truth and cutting through everything maybe Markus and KL should of had more say from the start, then if Cortese went it would not of created the upheaval it did. Where has Lovren been he talks about new owners...um no,....they are the same just Cortese went. Same as Poch talking about Cortese brought him to the club....um no.....KL's money did. I will be honest i always think Shaw was going to go after a season and he signed professional forms for Saints so that when he did they would get a good deal for him. Adam is near on 27 and probably thought this might be his only chance of CL, probably not expecting the season to kick off for him as it did. Lovren saw us as a stepping stone same as Poch. Morgan is more structured about things he could of gone ages ago there has been enough offers for him even back when we were heading into admin and he stuck with us. He may go now. Yet its more about us doing well and people wanting our manager and players at the very peak of football. I doubt even Cortese could stop that. I am no less disappointed than anyone else but w can come out of this better and more experienced. let us hope that is the way forward.[/p][/quote]All the talk of financial common sense is commendable and to the more accountancy minded as opposed to opportunity minded it makes sense, there is however a huge and unusual factor not normally if ever afforded a club outside of the top 5…. Firstly is this, KL is already sat on a huge profit from fathers investment in SFC, Nicola Cortese's alleged spendthrift ways aside…and I mean huge, few if any business's especially not football reap a potential £200-250 million return for an initial £13 million outlay…. Secondly, no existing non top 5 club has ever been so near to a breakthrough (50 million) into the elite for a) such little money (in relative terms) and b) in light of the pre existing value with zero actual risk.. The Swiss method of doing things has waved it's dead hand over our 'attainable' and affordable dream…I know what they are like, vision, panache, losing a single franc are all alien concepts..even the Ferrari's are grey as are most of the people… The Father knew what he was doing with Saints as did Cortese, KL is being advised on a safety first policy which 99% of the time would be wise, however she has surrendered a prize beyond anything anyone could have dreamed and surrendered it to conserve a massive profit, there was no risk to the real value she has already benefitted from…worse case £250 million becomes £200 million… ..that ladies and gentleman is why so many of us are upset George Chivers take note…as an aside I am or at least was a pretty serious businessman and KL had the chance of turning our provincial club into a global brand..that happens once in a lifetime if you are very lucky AND spot it.. warrens 76
  • Score: -3

3:53pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go.

Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.
Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves.

I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader.

Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them!
A great improvement!
Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker!
At last I feel appreciated. And thanks for the suggestion I'll try to get round to doing it sometime. In the meantime... time for my afternoon nap.
Lay across that big brass bed.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go. Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.[/p][/quote]Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves. I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader. Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them![/p][/quote]A great improvement![/p][/quote]Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker![/p][/quote]At last I feel appreciated. And thanks for the suggestion I'll try to get round to doing it sometime. In the meantime... time for my afternoon nap.[/p][/quote]Lay across that big brass bed. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

3:57pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Confucious says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Out of interest, if Cortese was so bloody useless why did Markus insist he ran the club otherwise he wouldn't buy it? Just asking like...

Also he trusted him with investing his money prior to buying the Saints, and I believe he had a bob or two.
I think most of us are very glad of what Nicola mostly did and achieved, but we have to move on and be positive - or go mad.

I remember being bitterly disappointed when the Nicola told me my suggestion that the club holds beauty competitions on the pitch at half times featuring girls parading in very skimpy bikinis was "completely stupid." but I didn't hate him for it or disrespect his view. On the contrary, I took his comment thoughtfully on board.

Indeed, if he hadn't suddenly left, I have no doubt he would have approved my suitably amended suggestion to stage ladies' "faking an ****" competitions.

If I didn't have this positive 'look to the future' attitude, I think I would have gone nuts by now.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Out of interest, if Cortese was so bloody useless why did Markus insist he ran the club otherwise he wouldn't buy it? Just asking like... Also he trusted him with investing his money prior to buying the Saints, and I believe he had a bob or two.[/p][/quote]I think most of us are very glad of what Nicola mostly did and achieved, but we have to move on and be positive - or go mad. I remember being bitterly disappointed when the Nicola told me my suggestion that the club holds beauty competitions on the pitch at half times featuring girls parading in very skimpy bikinis was "completely stupid." but I didn't hate him for it or disrespect his view. On the contrary, I took his comment thoughtfully on board. Indeed, if he hadn't suddenly left, I have no doubt he would have approved my suitably amended suggestion to stage ladies' "faking an ****" competitions. If I didn't have this positive 'look to the future' attitude, I think I would have gone nuts by now. Confucious
  • Score: -1

4:06pm Mon 7 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

DUTCH NATIONAL TEAM PLAYERS - are welcome at SFC.

Out with the old and lower FIFA rated England Players - IN with the DUTCH.

COYR+WS
DUTCH NATIONAL TEAM PLAYERS - are welcome at SFC. Out with the old and lower FIFA rated England Players - IN with the DUTCH. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 1

4:13pm Mon 7 Jul 14

miltonarcher says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
We've spent a lot of time focussing on the want away players. How about some speculation on who the 'glad MP's gone' players might be?

I'd go for Jack Cork, JWP and Yoshida.
I thought you were talking about the mysterious kiddie-fiddling Tory MPs from the 80s for a minute there. That's how 'over' MoPo I am...
Who told you they were Tories? Or were you part of the mysterious group?
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: We've spent a lot of time focussing on the want away players. How about some speculation on who the 'glad MP's gone' players might be? I'd go for Jack Cork, JWP and Yoshida.[/p][/quote]I thought you were talking about the mysterious kiddie-fiddling Tory MPs from the 80s for a minute there. That's how 'over' MoPo I am...[/p][/quote]Who told you they were Tories? Or were you part of the mysterious group? miltonarcher
  • Score: 2

4:20pm Mon 7 Jul 14

george chivers says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar.

I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress.

For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them!
Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go.

Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.
Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves.

I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader.

Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them!
A great improvement!
Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker!
At last I feel appreciated. And thanks for the suggestion I'll try to get round to doing it sometime. In the meantime... time for my afternoon nap.
Lay across that big brass bed.
You'll never guess
I was knocking out the zeds
When into head came
Bob Dylan's 115th Dream
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I don't think they would have all gone if Cortese was still here. He was close to the players and would have had his finger on the pulse and nipped any nonsense in the bud. It was he who put the long term contracts in place which has just benefitted the club by at least getting top dollar. I would sooner be lead by a man appointed by a top German industrialist who became a self made billionaire by getting his judgement right, than by a bloke appointed by an heiress. For all those saying get rid of these mercenaries and get players in who want to play for us, you wont know whether the new ones want to play for us until Liverpool offer £25m for them![/p][/quote]Isn't it about time you gave up all this self indulgent crying in my beer rubbish!. All the whinging in the world is not going to bring Cortese back and its not going to get rid of the owner and the board either. They will stay until its time for them to go. Everybody understands your POV and your pain. Now give it a break will you, its become very boring! Our football club is not just about you, its about 50,00 plus other people as well. Say something positive or shut up! We've had enough of you wallowing in self pity.[/p][/quote]Another person who feels personal insults are fine if someone has a differing opinion to themselves. I thought Cortese was a git but an effective git in most but not all things. He's gone and it's now about the quality of the person who replaced him as all organisations need a leader. Like everyone I'm waiting to see some incoming transfers and it does appear we are very close on a couple and are enquiring after other good quality players which is very encouraging. I think the signing of Ron is a really good one and hope the club back him to the hilt in what is a very difficult start for him. My concern is that because of the way we've gone about the disposals before the additions it might now make some players think twice about joining but I'm sure Ron will persuade them![/p][/quote]A great improvement![/p][/quote]Gofuckyourself you condescendingwanker![/p][/quote]At last I feel appreciated. And thanks for the suggestion I'll try to get round to doing it sometime. In the meantime... time for my afternoon nap.[/p][/quote]Lay across that big brass bed.[/p][/quote]You'll never guess I was knocking out the zeds When into head came Bob Dylan's 115th Dream george chivers
  • Score: -1

4:35pm Mon 7 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Out of interest, if Cortese was so bloody useless why did Markus insist he ran the club otherwise he wouldn't buy it? Just asking like...

Also he trusted him with investing his money prior to buying the Saints, and I believe he had a bob or two.
seed I for one have never called NC useless, he did wonders for our club and it was his and st Markus's original `vision` that got us back to the prem, remember that one? to get to the prem and stay there in 5yrs. that was the `vision` the club had and the one we all brought into and were delighted it was achieved faster than expected. NC was the driving force of that `vision` but I think once that was sorted he went a bit too far. promising champs league footy to players with a team, that as you pointed out cost very little to put together and many of which came up with the team from L1. I notice in that team you put up earlier that you missed out our three top signings that cost nearly £40mill between them. liellana wasn't `free` either, yes in the grand scheme of things he didn't cost a lot £12k plus add ons for prem league appearance, england call ups etc. then you have to add the £6mill we now have to give allmouth. the rest of the team that came from he academy were also not `free` as there is a big cost to run the academy and that has to come from somewhere!

we would all love to see saints in the champs league but even with the players we brought in we are still a long way away from the top 4. NC might have wanted us to be in the champs league but in trying to get there he was spending more and more money and starting to spend way too much. I believe the board when they say they still want European football but I think they want to do it in a sustainable manner. how would we feel if we got to the prem by spending big but dropped down again with huge debts?
I understand your frustrations seed but I really don't get this love affair with NC. as I said I thank him for getting us to where we are but think he was trying to run before he could walk in respect to Europe.


people saying that ralph is significant by his absence might consider that he may be doing a lot of work in the background. he will probably be trying to find out (like we all are) if this disgusting statement from dejan is true and talking to lots of different parties to see where we stand legally etc. there is no point coming out with a rash statement condemning the player, fining him etc etc if these aren't his word, it looks as if they are though. once the club has the truth I expect a statement either way. we never herd from NC whilst he was in charge, and have heard a lot more from board members since hes gone, so the club are being more `open` as I said though they have to be careful what they say on these subjects, so let them get on with sorting it out and we will find out the truth as soon as they can let us know.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Out of interest, if Cortese was so bloody useless why did Markus insist he ran the club otherwise he wouldn't buy it? Just asking like... Also he trusted him with investing his money prior to buying the Saints, and I believe he had a bob or two.[/p][/quote]seed I for one have never called NC useless, he did wonders for our club and it was his and st Markus's original `vision` that got us back to the prem, remember that one? to get to the prem and stay there in 5yrs. that was the `vision` the club had and the one we all brought into and were delighted it was achieved faster than expected. NC was the driving force of that `vision` but I think once that was sorted he went a bit too far. promising champs league footy to players with a team, that as you pointed out cost very little to put together and many of which came up with the team from L1. I notice in that team you put up earlier that you missed out our three top signings that cost nearly £40mill between them. liellana wasn't `free` either, yes in the grand scheme of things he didn't cost a lot £12k plus add ons for prem league appearance, england call ups etc. then you have to add the £6mill we now have to give allmouth. the rest of the team that came from he academy were also not `free` as there is a big cost to run the academy and that has to come from somewhere! we would all love to see saints in the champs league but even with the players we brought in we are still a long way away from the top 4. NC might have wanted us to be in the champs league but in trying to get there he was spending more and more money and starting to spend way too much. I believe the board when they say they still want European football but I think they want to do it in a sustainable manner. how would we feel if we got to the prem by spending big but dropped down again with huge debts? I understand your frustrations seed but I really don't get this love affair with NC. as I said I thank him for getting us to where we are but think he was trying to run before he could walk in respect to Europe. people saying that ralph is significant by his absence might consider that he may be doing a lot of work in the background. he will probably be trying to find out (like we all are) if this disgusting statement from dejan is true and talking to lots of different parties to see where we stand legally etc. there is no point coming out with a rash statement condemning the player, fining him etc etc if these aren't his word, it looks as if they are though. once the club has the truth I expect a statement either way. we never herd from NC whilst he was in charge, and have heard a lot more from board members since hes gone, so the club are being more `open` as I said though they have to be careful what they say on these subjects, so let them get on with sorting it out and we will find out the truth as soon as they can let us know. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -2

4:35pm Mon 7 Jul 14

spratt says...

SarisburyGreen wrote:
What Lovren says is completely out of order but the plain fact is that the team is being dismantled because the club has spent way beyond its means in the past few seasons and the owners want their money back. They nearly always do, that's the problem with sugar daddies.
Lovren's been completely disrespectful but anyone can see he's going.
So are you saying that all these players are being sold because KL wants some of the money back which has been ploughed into the club in recent years? If that is the case why then has a £100m fund been made available for new players and the highest ever profile manager in the clubs history been appointed? Please give me your answer. I am not being confrontationa. Just interested to know your reasoning.l
[quote][p][bold]SarisburyGreen[/bold] wrote: What Lovren says is completely out of order but the plain fact is that the team is being dismantled because the club has spent way beyond its means in the past few seasons and the owners want their money back. They nearly always do, that's the problem with sugar daddies. Lovren's been completely disrespectful but anyone can see he's going.[/p][/quote]So are you saying that all these players are being sold because KL wants some of the money back which has been ploughed into the club in recent years? If that is the case why then has a £100m fund been made available for new players and the highest ever profile manager in the clubs history been appointed? Please give me your answer. I am not being confrontationa. Just interested to know your reasoning.l spratt
  • Score: 1

4:42pm Mon 7 Jul 14

bbb001 says...

Mattyboysaints wrote:
I'm really excited and can't wait until the new season and here's why:-

1) Looking forward to seeing those turn coats fail at their new destinations, end of the day we finished 8th last term and their new teams will be expecting more.
2) counting down the days until Spurs sack POSH, we all know it will happen, the only question is which side of Xmas it will be.
3) Can't wait to watch the start of Super Ron's journey with the Saints and watch him build a side and see some new signing don the new red and white strips.
4) Looking forward to Ron & Louie have a bust up and the two teams competing for that last CPL place.
5) Looking forward to Ricci jogging over to the away Saints fans on the opening day and giving us all a clap, that you just know he means. AL can go F£&@ himself.
6) Looking forward to the Koeman brothers getting us play the Dutch way :-)
7) Looking forward to either a £25 million cheque for DL or watching him rot in the reserves.
8) Can't wait to buy my boy his third Saints shirt and the first time he will be wearing the true colours.
9) looking forward to Jay getting fit and returning to first team action.

What I'm trying to say Saints fans is that this is an amazing ride we are on and focus on the positives, cos there are loads and never a better time to be a SAINTS fan. COYS.
I am so glad I am not the only person who thinks Pochetino was over rated as are some of the Saints players. We are now in a position to see what a truely great manager can do with this great football club.

I don't begrudge Lambert his move, the others will find the grass is not always greener on the other side, and the more I read their quotes on their moves the more I hope they fail and also lose their England places due to only being squad players at their new clubs.

Sour grapes, yes, but a true Saints supporter for 49 years.
[quote][p][bold]Mattyboysaints[/bold] wrote: I'm really excited and can't wait until the new season and here's why:- 1) Looking forward to seeing those turn coats fail at their new destinations, end of the day we finished 8th last term and their new teams will be expecting more. 2) counting down the days until Spurs sack POSH, we all know it will happen, the only question is which side of Xmas it will be. 3) Can't wait to watch the start of Super Ron's journey with the Saints and watch him build a side and see some new signing don the new red and white strips. 4) Looking forward to Ron & Louie have a bust up and the two teams competing for that last CPL place. 5) Looking forward to Ricci jogging over to the away Saints fans on the opening day and giving us all a clap, that you just know he means. AL can go F£&@ himself. 6) Looking forward to the Koeman brothers getting us play the Dutch way :-) 7) Looking forward to either a £25 million cheque for DL or watching him rot in the reserves. 8) Can't wait to buy my boy his third Saints shirt and the first time he will be wearing the true colours. 9) looking forward to Jay getting fit and returning to first team action. What I'm trying to say Saints fans is that this is an amazing ride we are on and focus on the positives, cos there are loads and never a better time to be a SAINTS fan. COYS.[/p][/quote]I am so glad I am not the only person who thinks Pochetino was over rated as are some of the Saints players. We are now in a position to see what a truely great manager can do with this great football club. I don't begrudge Lambert his move, the others will find the grass is not always greener on the other side, and the more I read their quotes on their moves the more I hope they fail and also lose their England places due to only being squad players at their new clubs. Sour grapes, yes, but a true Saints supporter for 49 years. bbb001
  • Score: 3

4:49pm Mon 7 Jul 14

get Kat L out says...

OK so I don't like whats going on at the club as my name shows.....
I don't think it will get better until we have more 'football' interest in the higher ranks and I am more than dubious about investment on the pitch myself but.......
When I read,
((( “Look, I’d gladly stay in Southampton if the club had any ambitions, if they kept the key players.

“ not even the Liverpool bid would have dissuaded me.”)))

What the F?????
Ambitions for champions league should come from the group of players on the pitch week in week out not from a manager or a chairman. Those 'key' players are too up them selves to keep putting the work in together when there is a bigger pay packet at another club.
Dejan...(like he's reading this LOL).....you are doing no different than the others that didn't want to stay. Its not about being promised ambitious things its about performance week in week out as a team that earns champions league places. You all just want a bigger pay packet and you feel more important with a club that has champions league in its history.
Just face it NONE OF YOU were prepared to stay together and fight as one...its easier to dress the story up and try to force a move for money and have it perceived as your burning ambition....

Hop eyou all fail and struggle with your next contracts
OK so I don't like whats going on at the club as my name shows..... I don't think it will get better until we have more 'football' interest in the higher ranks and I am more than dubious about investment on the pitch myself but....... When I read, ((( “Look, I’d gladly stay in Southampton if the club had any ambitions, if they kept the key players. “[If that had happened] not even the Liverpool bid would have dissuaded me.”))) What the F????? Ambitions for champions league should come from the group of players on the pitch week in week out not from a manager or a chairman. Those 'key' players are too up them selves to keep putting the work in together when there is a bigger pay packet at another club. Dejan...(like he's reading this LOL).....you are doing no different than the others that didn't want to stay. Its not about being promised ambitious things its about performance week in week out as a team that earns champions league places. You all just want a bigger pay packet and you feel more important with a club that has champions league in its history. Just face it NONE OF YOU were prepared to stay together and fight as one...its easier to dress the story up and try to force a move for money and have it perceived as your burning ambition.... Hop eyou all fail and struggle with your next contracts get Kat L out
  • Score: 10

4:49pm Mon 7 Jul 14

St Van Roetford says...

miltonarcher wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
We've spent a lot of time focussing on the want away players. How about some speculation on who the 'glad MP's gone' players might be?

I'd go for Jack Cork, JWP and Yoshida.
I thought you were talking about the mysterious kiddie-fiddling Tory MPs from the 80s for a minute there. That's how 'over' MoPo I am...
Who told you they were Tories? Or were you part of the mysterious group?
Common knowledge by now, isn't it? I could go into further detail but it will all come out in the fullness of time. Suffice to say, it's going to be the biggest scandal in the history of scandals.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: We've spent a lot of time focussing on the want away players. How about some speculation on who the 'glad MP's gone' players might be? I'd go for Jack Cork, JWP and Yoshida.[/p][/quote]I thought you were talking about the mysterious kiddie-fiddling Tory MPs from the 80s for a minute there. That's how 'over' MoPo I am...[/p][/quote]Who told you they were Tories? Or were you part of the mysterious group?[/p][/quote]Common knowledge by now, isn't it? I could go into further detail but it will all come out in the fullness of time. Suffice to say, it's going to be the biggest scandal in the history of scandals. St Van Roetford
  • Score: 0

4:53pm Mon 7 Jul 14

SaintJD says...

“That wasn’t right. I found out about the bid from other people, which disappointed me, and I realised I’ve got no business staying at Southampton."

So who was that Dejan? Anyone we know? And it disappoints me that former colleagues should be allowed to leak such information to players who are contracted to us. That has disappointed me and I've realised you have no business playing for Southampton, but can rot in the reserves.
“That wasn’t right. I found out about the bid from other people, which disappointed me, and I realised I’ve got no business staying at Southampton." So who was that Dejan? Anyone we know? And it disappoints me that former colleagues should be allowed to leak such information to players who are contracted to us. That has disappointed me and I've realised you have no business playing for Southampton, but can rot in the reserves. SaintJD
  • Score: 4

5:01pm Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

get Kat L out wrote:
OK so I don't like whats going on at the club as my name shows.....
I don't think it will get better until we have more 'football' interest in the higher ranks and I am more than dubious about investment on the pitch myself but.......
When I read,
((( “Look, I’d gladly stay in Southampton if the club had any ambitions, if they kept the key players.

“ not even the Liverpool bid would have dissuaded me.”)))

What the F?????
Ambitions for champions league should come from the group of players on the pitch week in week out not from a manager or a chairman. Those 'key' players are too up them selves to keep putting the work in together when there is a bigger pay packet at another club.
Dejan...(like he's reading this LOL).....you are doing no different than the others that didn't want to stay. Its not about being promised ambitious things its about performance week in week out as a team that earns champions league places. You all just want a bigger pay packet and you feel more important with a club that has champions league in its history.
Just face it NONE OF YOU were prepared to stay together and fight as one...its easier to dress the story up and try to force a move for money and have it perceived as your burning ambition....

Hop eyou all fail and struggle with your next contracts
Oh dear.
[quote][p][bold]get Kat L out[/bold] wrote: OK so I don't like whats going on at the club as my name shows..... I don't think it will get better until we have more 'football' interest in the higher ranks and I am more than dubious about investment on the pitch myself but....... When I read, ((( “Look, I’d gladly stay in Southampton if the club had any ambitions, if they kept the key players. “[If that had happened] not even the Liverpool bid would have dissuaded me.”))) What the F????? Ambitions for champions league should come from the group of players on the pitch week in week out not from a manager or a chairman. Those 'key' players are too up them selves to keep putting the work in together when there is a bigger pay packet at another club. Dejan...(like he's reading this LOL).....you are doing no different than the others that didn't want to stay. Its not about being promised ambitious things its about performance week in week out as a team that earns champions league places. You all just want a bigger pay packet and you feel more important with a club that has champions league in its history. Just face it NONE OF YOU were prepared to stay together and fight as one...its easier to dress the story up and try to force a move for money and have it perceived as your burning ambition.... Hop eyou all fail and struggle with your next contracts[/p][/quote]Oh dear. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -7

5:04pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Chapperall says...

Just read this and most of us were right then all this has been cooking since April by the sounds of it. That's probably when all the prima donas started to plan their exit route.
Part of me says don't give him and teach him whst respect to Southampton football club is, and the other says get rid as we don't want scum bags playing in our team.
It is a real mess we are in and I hope this is the end of it as it's beginning to turn off a lot of supporters. However I will hang in as some of us can remember a lot darker days than this before Marcus saved us. We will put this behind us and I hope that the board have learnt a lot from this also.
So let's get some new signings in and we can start looking forward with players who really want to be at a Saints.
I hope that Liverpool has a terrible season as that will be just payment for their behaviour in all this.
Just read this and most of us were right then all this has been cooking since April by the sounds of it. That's probably when all the prima donas started to plan their exit route. Part of me says don't give him and teach him whst respect to Southampton football club is, and the other says get rid as we don't want scum bags playing in our team. It is a real mess we are in and I hope this is the end of it as it's beginning to turn off a lot of supporters. However I will hang in as some of us can remember a lot darker days than this before Marcus saved us. We will put this behind us and I hope that the board have learnt a lot from this also. So let's get some new signings in and we can start looking forward with players who really want to be at a Saints. I hope that Liverpool has a terrible season as that will be just payment for their behaviour in all this. Chapperall
  • Score: 1

5:08pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

A new broom or mop sweeps clean me old Mate!
A new broom or mop sweeps clean me old Mate! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 2

5:20pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Out of interest, if Cortese was so bloody useless why did Markus insist he ran the club otherwise he wouldn't buy it? Just asking like...

Also he trusted him with investing his money prior to buying the Saints, and I believe he had a bob or two.
seed I for one have never called NC useless, he did wonders for our club and it was his and st Markus's original `vision` that got us back to the prem, remember that one? to get to the prem and stay there in 5yrs. that was the `vision` the club had and the one we all brought into and were delighted it was achieved faster than expected. NC was the driving force of that `vision` but I think once that was sorted he went a bit too far. promising champs league footy to players with a team, that as you pointed out cost very little to put together and many of which came up with the team from L1. I notice in that team you put up earlier that you missed out our three top signings that cost nearly £40mill between them. liellana wasn't `free` either, yes in the grand scheme of things he didn't cost a lot £12k plus add ons for prem league appearance, england call ups etc. then you have to add the £6mill we now have to give allmouth. the rest of the team that came from he academy were also not `free` as there is a big cost to run the academy and that has to come from somewhere!

we would all love to see saints in the champs league but even with the players we brought in we are still a long way away from the top 4. NC might have wanted us to be in the champs league but in trying to get there he was spending more and more money and starting to spend way too much. I believe the board when they say they still want European football but I think they want to do it in a sustainable manner. how would we feel if we got to the prem by spending big but dropped down again with huge debts?
I understand your frustrations seed but I really don't get this love affair with NC. as I said I thank him for getting us to where we are but think he was trying to run before he could walk in respect to Europe.


people saying that ralph is significant by his absence might consider that he may be doing a lot of work in the background. he will probably be trying to find out (like we all are) if this disgusting statement from dejan is true and talking to lots of different parties to see where we stand legally etc. there is no point coming out with a rash statement condemning the player, fining him etc etc if these aren't his word, it looks as if they are though. once the club has the truth I expect a statement either way. we never herd from NC whilst he was in charge, and have heard a lot more from board members since hes gone, so the club are being more `open` as I said though they have to be careful what they say on these subjects, so let them get on with sorting it out and we will find out the truth as soon as they can let us know.
I was critical of NC's methods and I'm over the fact he has moved on, there is and never was a love affair with the cold hearted basterd. My point is comparing the new incumbent in the lead role the same as we will compare Luke's replacement with Luke etc. Moving on is good provided it is positive and I'm not convinced about our Chairman. I think the rest of the board is fine and I don't envy Les his job at the moment, but I do think the missing link is a proper experienced Chairman - time will tell and I hope to be able to sing Ralph's praises soon. NC was quiet but we judged him on his actions, Ralph does seem to not be acting very much!

I never thought top 4 was sensible but a tilt at top 6 was on.

Time will tell, let's hear about some signings and soon!
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Out of interest, if Cortese was so bloody useless why did Markus insist he ran the club otherwise he wouldn't buy it? Just asking like... Also he trusted him with investing his money prior to buying the Saints, and I believe he had a bob or two.[/p][/quote]seed I for one have never called NC useless, he did wonders for our club and it was his and st Markus's original `vision` that got us back to the prem, remember that one? to get to the prem and stay there in 5yrs. that was the `vision` the club had and the one we all brought into and were delighted it was achieved faster than expected. NC was the driving force of that `vision` but I think once that was sorted he went a bit too far. promising champs league footy to players with a team, that as you pointed out cost very little to put together and many of which came up with the team from L1. I notice in that team you put up earlier that you missed out our three top signings that cost nearly £40mill between them. liellana wasn't `free` either, yes in the grand scheme of things he didn't cost a lot £12k plus add ons for prem league appearance, england call ups etc. then you have to add the £6mill we now have to give allmouth. the rest of the team that came from he academy were also not `free` as there is a big cost to run the academy and that has to come from somewhere! we would all love to see saints in the champs league but even with the players we brought in we are still a long way away from the top 4. NC might have wanted us to be in the champs league but in trying to get there he was spending more and more money and starting to spend way too much. I believe the board when they say they still want European football but I think they want to do it in a sustainable manner. how would we feel if we got to the prem by spending big but dropped down again with huge debts? I understand your frustrations seed but I really don't get this love affair with NC. as I said I thank him for getting us to where we are but think he was trying to run before he could walk in respect to Europe. people saying that ralph is significant by his absence might consider that he may be doing a lot of work in the background. he will probably be trying to find out (like we all are) if this disgusting statement from dejan is true and talking to lots of different parties to see where we stand legally etc. there is no point coming out with a rash statement condemning the player, fining him etc etc if these aren't his word, it looks as if they are though. once the club has the truth I expect a statement either way. we never herd from NC whilst he was in charge, and have heard a lot more from board members since hes gone, so the club are being more `open` as I said though they have to be careful what they say on these subjects, so let them get on with sorting it out and we will find out the truth as soon as they can let us know.[/p][/quote]I was critical of NC's methods and I'm over the fact he has moved on, there is and never was a love affair with the cold hearted basterd. My point is comparing the new incumbent in the lead role the same as we will compare Luke's replacement with Luke etc. Moving on is good provided it is positive and I'm not convinced about our Chairman. I think the rest of the board is fine and I don't envy Les his job at the moment, but I do think the missing link is a proper experienced Chairman - time will tell and I hope to be able to sing Ralph's praises soon. NC was quiet but we judged him on his actions, Ralph does seem to not be acting very much! I never thought top 4 was sensible but a tilt at top 6 was on. Time will tell, let's hear about some signings and soon! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 11

5:29pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Dorssaints says...

Top 4 completely unrealistic we need to move into top 7 ! This season we are not up with the top 4 of Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal. But what is to stop us beating the Spurs, Liverpool and Everton.
Top 4 completely unrealistic we need to move into top 7 ! This season we are not up with the top 4 of Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal. But what is to stop us beating the Spurs, Liverpool and Everton. Dorssaints
  • Score: 0

5:29pm Mon 7 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

jasons odd wrote:
Judging by the ridiculous anti-cortese comments ,most people here have deluded themselves into thinking everything is ok at our club .

We had a winner , a strong man in charge ,who for the first time since McMenemy days attracted really top players to our club . Cortese actually wanted our club to achieve something , for the 1st time in our history NOT to sell our young stars ....to better ourselves ..

He was the driving force , but Ms Liebherr (as is her right) doesn't share that ambition , and is obviously unwilling to finance it .

You would think you fans would love Cortese for actually TRYING to better our club ...But no , you defend the very people who have ruined the work done over the last 5 years .


Oh well ...Back to the year in year out slog of premier league survival ...selling every young star that comes along . That is all we have to look forward to ...Its what every saints fan is used to anyway .
You sound like a Tory blaming the previous Labour government, or Labour blaming the Tories, or both blaming the Lib Dems, either way we're sick of it.
Do you know what happened to your namesake, who has been connected with football club for some time?
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: Judging by the ridiculous anti-cortese comments ,most people here have deluded themselves into thinking everything is ok at our club . We had a winner , a strong man in charge ,who for the first time since McMenemy days attracted really top players to our club . Cortese actually wanted our club to achieve something , for the 1st time in our history NOT to sell our young stars ....to better ourselves .. He was the driving force , but Ms Liebherr (as is her right) doesn't share that ambition , and is obviously unwilling to finance it . You would think you fans would love Cortese for actually TRYING to better our club ...But no , you defend the very people who have ruined the work done over the last 5 years . Oh well ...Back to the year in year out slog of premier league survival ...selling every young star that comes along . That is all we have to look forward to ...Its what every saints fan is used to anyway .[/p][/quote]You sound like a Tory blaming the previous Labour government, or Labour blaming the Tories, or both blaming the Lib Dems, either way we're sick of it. Do you know what happened to your namesake, who has been connected with football club for some time? lowe esteem
  • Score: -12

5:41pm Mon 7 Jul 14

NC Fan4Life says...

warrens 76 wrote:
milton road wrote:
It is not surprising that KL wanted more financial control of the club, I think that is a modest response to a project that went 100% over value, design changes etc or not.
For those that seem to worry about where and how the 30 million will be paid, it would of been paid monthly as the work continued which is normal practice in construction. Therefore the vast majority of it has been paid. There will be a retention normally 15% that will be paid after a certain period.
Amongst all the hype as the media have looked to dismantle the club since Christmas. There was one paper that gave a very realistic view of the situation of Cortese's departure. That he could of named his own salary to stay. Yet the rift was over the fact KL was for slowing down the amount of money spent generally, not stopping it, but there are other projects like ground expansion to be considered etc and that she wanted to clear some of the outstanding money first such as owed transfer monies and the remaining payments on the training facility. Whilst the 30 mil transfer kitty was likely to be available the 80-100 million that would of been required to take Saints the extra step up would not be available without selling players. They also said that KL had no intention of selling the club now or in the near future. That she had refused several bids including one that was believed to be backing Cortese.
That to me has always seemed the most likely article to be the truth. Cortese wanted to really go for it and KL no less so but on careful and studied plan.
Cortese was massive for this club and it was a blow to lose him. Its two people with the same plan but each seeing a different path on how to do it. Many of us will remember a Leeds that just spent money like no tomorrow won the league got in the CL and got knocked out and the club fell to financial pieces. It was all too fast.
The thing to take into consideration is KL could of walked away and made a heap of money and she hasn't. Okay we can turn on the board and Les Reed said no player would leave this club unless it was right for the club. He has not lied, at the end of the day if a player really wants to go all you can do is get the right price and he has probably got the best price possible and stuck to it until it was achieved, he seems to be doing the same with Lovren, there is not much else he can do.
In real truth and cutting through everything maybe Markus and KL should of had more say from the start, then if Cortese went it would not of created the upheaval it did. Where has Lovren been he talks about new owners...um no,....they are the same just Cortese went. Same as Poch talking about Cortese brought him to the club....um no.....KL's money did.
I will be honest i always think Shaw was going to go after a season and he signed professional forms for Saints so that when he did they would get a good deal for him.
Adam is near on 27 and probably thought this might be his only chance of CL, probably not expecting the season to kick off for him as it did.
Lovren saw us as a stepping stone same as Poch.
Morgan is more structured about things he could of gone ages ago there has been enough offers for him even back when we were heading into admin and he stuck with us. He may go now.
Yet its more about us doing well and people wanting our manager and players at the very peak of football. I doubt even Cortese could stop that.
I am no less disappointed than anyone else but w can come out of this better and more experienced. let us hope that is the way forward.
All the talk of financial common sense is commendable and to the more accountancy minded as opposed to opportunity minded it makes sense, there is however a huge and unusual factor not normally if ever afforded a club outside of the top 5….

Firstly is this, KL is already sat on a huge profit from fathers investment in SFC, Nicola Cortese's alleged spendthrift ways aside…and I mean huge, few if any business's especially not football reap a potential £200-250 million return for an initial £13 million outlay….

Secondly, no existing non top 5 club has ever been so near to a breakthrough (50 million) into the elite for a) such little money (in relative terms) and b) in light of the pre existing value with zero actual risk..

The Swiss method of doing things has waved it's dead hand over our 'attainable' and affordable dream…I know what they are like, vision, panache, losing a single franc are all alien concepts..even the Ferrari's are grey as are most of the people…

The Father knew what he was doing with Saints as did Cortese, KL is being advised on a safety first policy which 99% of the time would be wise, however she has surrendered a prize beyond anything anyone could have dreamed and surrendered it to conserve a massive profit, there was no risk to the real value she has already benefitted from…worse case £250 million becomes £200 million…

..that ladies and gentleman is why so many of us are upset George Chivers take note…as an aside I am or at least was a pretty serious businessman and KL had the chance of turning our provincial club into a global brand..that happens once in a lifetime if you are very lucky AND spot it..
Sorry Warrens but don't agree. If we had appointed a nobody manager then maybe, but KL/new Board have gone and us the biggest name manager we have ever had. That alone shows ambition.
What Katarina is saying is that as a club it needs to stand on its own to feet but can still live the dream which is probably exactly what the next 3 or five year plan is.

Also Cortese sold the players a dream that was not achievable last season or this coming one. The new board have probably indicated the CL will be the next 3 or 5 year plan so the want aways were not prepared to wait. However give the Koeman brothers a chance with the transfer money and lets see if that dream comes true by 2017.

Quality football while we build towards that plus a push for EL if we take the cup seriously in future and we are in a position that we could not even dream for 6 years ago.

COYR&WS we will move on up.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: It is not surprising that KL wanted more financial control of the club, I think that is a modest response to a project that went 100% over value, design changes etc or not. For those that seem to worry about where and how the 30 million will be paid, it would of been paid monthly as the work continued which is normal practice in construction. Therefore the vast majority of it has been paid. There will be a retention normally 15% that will be paid after a certain period. Amongst all the hype as the media have looked to dismantle the club since Christmas. There was one paper that gave a very realistic view of the situation of Cortese's departure. That he could of named his own salary to stay. Yet the rift was over the fact KL was for slowing down the amount of money spent generally, not stopping it, but there are other projects like ground expansion to be considered etc and that she wanted to clear some of the outstanding money first such as owed transfer monies and the remaining payments on the training facility. Whilst the 30 mil transfer kitty was likely to be available the 80-100 million that would of been required to take Saints the extra step up would not be available without selling players. They also said that KL had no intention of selling the club now or in the near future. That she had refused several bids including one that was believed to be backing Cortese. That to me has always seemed the most likely article to be the truth. Cortese wanted to really go for it and KL no less so but on careful and studied plan. Cortese was massive for this club and it was a blow to lose him. Its two people with the same plan but each seeing a different path on how to do it. Many of us will remember a Leeds that just spent money like no tomorrow won the league got in the CL and got knocked out and the club fell to financial pieces. It was all too fast. The thing to take into consideration is KL could of walked away and made a heap of money and she hasn't. Okay we can turn on the board and Les Reed said no player would leave this club unless it was right for the club. He has not lied, at the end of the day if a player really wants to go all you can do is get the right price and he has probably got the best price possible and stuck to it until it was achieved, he seems to be doing the same with Lovren, there is not much else he can do. In real truth and cutting through everything maybe Markus and KL should of had more say from the start, then if Cortese went it would not of created the upheaval it did. Where has Lovren been he talks about new owners...um no,....they are the same just Cortese went. Same as Poch talking about Cortese brought him to the club....um no.....KL's money did. I will be honest i always think Shaw was going to go after a season and he signed professional forms for Saints so that when he did they would get a good deal for him. Adam is near on 27 and probably thought this might be his only chance of CL, probably not expecting the season to kick off for him as it did. Lovren saw us as a stepping stone same as Poch. Morgan is more structured about things he could of gone ages ago there has been enough offers for him even back when we were heading into admin and he stuck with us. He may go now. Yet its more about us doing well and people wanting our manager and players at the very peak of football. I doubt even Cortese could stop that. I am no less disappointed than anyone else but w can come out of this better and more experienced. let us hope that is the way forward.[/p][/quote]All the talk of financial common sense is commendable and to the more accountancy minded as opposed to opportunity minded it makes sense, there is however a huge and unusual factor not normally if ever afforded a club outside of the top 5…. Firstly is this, KL is already sat on a huge profit from fathers investment in SFC, Nicola Cortese's alleged spendthrift ways aside…and I mean huge, few if any business's especially not football reap a potential £200-250 million return for an initial £13 million outlay…. Secondly, no existing non top 5 club has ever been so near to a breakthrough (50 million) into the elite for a) such little money (in relative terms) and b) in light of the pre existing value with zero actual risk.. The Swiss method of doing things has waved it's dead hand over our 'attainable' and affordable dream…I know what they are like, vision, panache, losing a single franc are all alien concepts..even the Ferrari's are grey as are most of the people… The Father knew what he was doing with Saints as did Cortese, KL is being advised on a safety first policy which 99% of the time would be wise, however she has surrendered a prize beyond anything anyone could have dreamed and surrendered it to conserve a massive profit, there was no risk to the real value she has already benefitted from…worse case £250 million becomes £200 million… ..that ladies and gentleman is why so many of us are upset George Chivers take note…as an aside I am or at least was a pretty serious businessman and KL had the chance of turning our provincial club into a global brand..that happens once in a lifetime if you are very lucky AND spot it..[/p][/quote]Sorry Warrens but don't agree. If we had appointed a nobody manager then maybe, but KL/new Board have gone and us the biggest name manager we have ever had. That alone shows ambition. What Katarina is saying is that as a club it needs to stand on its own to feet but can still live the dream which is probably exactly what the next 3 or five year plan is. Also Cortese sold the players a dream that was not achievable last season or this coming one. The new board have probably indicated the CL will be the next 3 or 5 year plan so the want aways were not prepared to wait. However give the Koeman brothers a chance with the transfer money and lets see if that dream comes true by 2017. Quality football while we build towards that plus a push for EL if we take the cup seriously in future and we are in a position that we could not even dream for 6 years ago. COYR&WS we will move on up. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 1

5:56pm Mon 7 Jul 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Don't be surprised if Lovren stays.
When he sees the quality new signings arrive and after RonKo has told him the facts of life he will realise what an idiot he has been.
If he then apologizes and commits to the cause he will be welcomed back, as was Jason Puncheon.
Don't be surprised if Lovren stays. When he sees the quality new signings arrive and after RonKo has told him the facts of life he will realise what an idiot he has been. If he then apologizes and commits to the cause he will be welcomed back, as was Jason Puncheon. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: -2

6:01pm Mon 7 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

SEED - Look at evertons financial modelling ...

£70,000 a Week for Jags and Baines.

Rest ON £30,000 AVERAGE SALARY

Barklay is only on £15,000 and they want LALUKU back.

We have the Money - why don't we nab him COYR+WS
SEED - Look at evertons financial modelling ... £70,000 a Week for Jags and Baines. Rest ON £30,000 AVERAGE SALARY Barklay is only on £15,000 and they want LALUKU back. We have the Money - why don't we nab him COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 1

6:04pm Mon 7 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Out of interest, if Cortese was so bloody useless why did Markus insist he ran the club otherwise he wouldn't buy it? Just asking like...

Also he trusted him with investing his money prior to buying the Saints, and I believe he had a bob or two.
seed I for one have never called NC useless, he did wonders for our club and it was his and st Markus's original `vision` that got us back to the prem, remember that one? to get to the prem and stay there in 5yrs. that was the `vision` the club had and the one we all brought into and were delighted it was achieved faster than expected. NC was the driving force of that `vision` but I think once that was sorted he went a bit too far. promising champs league footy to players with a team, that as you pointed out cost very little to put together and many of which came up with the team from L1. I notice in that team you put up earlier that you missed out our three top signings that cost nearly £40mill between them. liellana wasn't `free` either, yes in the grand scheme of things he didn't cost a lot £12k plus add ons for prem league appearance, england call ups etc. then you have to add the £6mill we now have to give allmouth. the rest of the team that came from he academy were also not `free` as there is a big cost to run the academy and that has to come from somewhere!

we would all love to see saints in the champs league but even with the players we brought in we are still a long way away from the top 4. NC might have wanted us to be in the champs league but in trying to get there he was spending more and more money and starting to spend way too much. I believe the board when they say they still want European football but I think they want to do it in a sustainable manner. how would we feel if we got to the prem by spending big but dropped down again with huge debts?
I understand your frustrations seed but I really don't get this love affair with NC. as I said I thank him for getting us to where we are but think he was trying to run before he could walk in respect to Europe.


people saying that ralph is significant by his absence might consider that he may be doing a lot of work in the background. he will probably be trying to find out (like we all are) if this disgusting statement from dejan is true and talking to lots of different parties to see where we stand legally etc. there is no point coming out with a rash statement condemning the player, fining him etc etc if these aren't his word, it looks as if they are though. once the club has the truth I expect a statement either way. we never herd from NC whilst he was in charge, and have heard a lot more from board members since hes gone, so the club are being more `open` as I said though they have to be careful what they say on these subjects, so let them get on with sorting it out and we will find out the truth as soon as they can let us know.
I was critical of NC's methods and I'm over the fact he has moved on, there is and never was a love affair with the cold hearted basterd. My point is comparing the new incumbent in the lead role the same as we will compare Luke's replacement with Luke etc. Moving on is good provided it is positive and I'm not convinced about our Chairman. I think the rest of the board is fine and I don't envy Les his job at the moment, but I do think the missing link is a proper experienced Chairman - time will tell and I hope to be able to sing Ralph's praises soon. NC was quiet but we judged him on his actions, Ralph does seem to not be acting very much!

I never thought top 4 was sensible but a tilt at top 6 was on.

Time will tell, let's hear about some signings and soon!
problem is seed that these players seem to have been given promises of champs league football in a year or 2. I think we all know that was going to be extremely difficult if not impossible to achieve in that timescale. the only way it could be achieved is by putting massive investment into the team and paying players 3-4 times what our current group are on. with the limits of sms that would put us heavily in debt, and I don't think any of us want to go down that route. it looks as if NC promised the earth to get these players to sign knowing that he could not deliver the goods. if that's the case then the likes of dejan would have spat the dummy whether NC was here or not. from what dejan is saying, if it is him, then NC told him that if we don't get to Europe/champs league then he would accept any £20mill bid for him. apparently diverpooh have offered the £20mill but it was turned down, so dejan isn't happy with that either, he may have had that deal with NC but he isn't here anymore and that verbal agreement went with him, the new board have no obligation to honour it!
questions need to be asked as to how diverpooh knew to come in with that figure. why have they suddenly bid £20mill for a player we paid £8.5mill for last year? has someone given them this information? it does seem a tad suspect.
les reed has an awful job at the moment and those who are calling for him to go need to ask themselves who would replace him and how would that help settle everything down. more changes can only lead to more unrest and strife.
Ralph may be quiet but as I said that doesn't mean he isn't working hard behind the scenes on new signings and sorting out this mess. legal restraints may be the reason we aren't being given any information regarding dejans supposed comments, so we will have to wait until the club clarifies its legal position before it makes a statement, we may just get an apology from dejan or he may distance himself from the statement, nothing we do will speed it up so its a case of wait and see unfortunately.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Out of interest, if Cortese was so bloody useless why did Markus insist he ran the club otherwise he wouldn't buy it? Just asking like... Also he trusted him with investing his money prior to buying the Saints, and I believe he had a bob or two.[/p][/quote]seed I for one have never called NC useless, he did wonders for our club and it was his and st Markus's original `vision` that got us back to the prem, remember that one? to get to the prem and stay there in 5yrs. that was the `vision` the club had and the one we all brought into and were delighted it was achieved faster than expected. NC was the driving force of that `vision` but I think once that was sorted he went a bit too far. promising champs league footy to players with a team, that as you pointed out cost very little to put together and many of which came up with the team from L1. I notice in that team you put up earlier that you missed out our three top signings that cost nearly £40mill between them. liellana wasn't `free` either, yes in the grand scheme of things he didn't cost a lot £12k plus add ons for prem league appearance, england call ups etc. then you have to add the £6mill we now have to give allmouth. the rest of the team that came from he academy were also not `free` as there is a big cost to run the academy and that has to come from somewhere! we would all love to see saints in the champs league but even with the players we brought in we are still a long way away from the top 4. NC might have wanted us to be in the champs league but in trying to get there he was spending more and more money and starting to spend way too much. I believe the board when they say they still want European football but I think they want to do it in a sustainable manner. how would we feel if we got to the prem by spending big but dropped down again with huge debts? I understand your frustrations seed but I really don't get this love affair with NC. as I said I thank him for getting us to where we are but think he was trying to run before he could walk in respect to Europe. people saying that ralph is significant by his absence might consider that he may be doing a lot of work in the background. he will probably be trying to find out (like we all are) if this disgusting statement from dejan is true and talking to lots of different parties to see where we stand legally etc. there is no point coming out with a rash statement condemning the player, fining him etc etc if these aren't his word, it looks as if they are though. once the club has the truth I expect a statement either way. we never herd from NC whilst he was in charge, and have heard a lot more from board members since hes gone, so the club are being more `open` as I said though they have to be careful what they say on these subjects, so let them get on with sorting it out and we will find out the truth as soon as they can let us know.[/p][/quote]I was critical of NC's methods and I'm over the fact he has moved on, there is and never was a love affair with the cold hearted basterd. My point is comparing the new incumbent in the lead role the same as we will compare Luke's replacement with Luke etc. Moving on is good provided it is positive and I'm not convinced about our Chairman. I think the rest of the board is fine and I don't envy Les his job at the moment, but I do think the missing link is a proper experienced Chairman - time will tell and I hope to be able to sing Ralph's praises soon. NC was quiet but we judged him on his actions, Ralph does seem to not be acting very much! I never thought top 4 was sensible but a tilt at top 6 was on. Time will tell, let's hear about some signings and soon![/p][/quote]problem is seed that these players seem to have been given promises of champs league football in a year or 2. I think we all know that was going to be extremely difficult if not impossible to achieve in that timescale. the only way it could be achieved is by putting massive investment into the team and paying players 3-4 times what our current group are on. with the limits of sms that would put us heavily in debt, and I don't think any of us want to go down that route. it looks as if NC promised the earth to get these players to sign knowing that he could not deliver the goods. if that's the case then the likes of dejan would have spat the dummy whether NC was here or not. from what dejan is saying, if it is him, then NC told him that if we don't get to Europe/champs league then he would accept any £20mill bid for him. apparently diverpooh have offered the £20mill but it was turned down, so dejan isn't happy with that either, he may have had that deal with NC but he isn't here anymore and that verbal agreement went with him, the new board have no obligation to honour it! questions need to be asked as to how diverpooh knew to come in with that figure. why have they suddenly bid £20mill for a player we paid £8.5mill for last year? has someone given them this information? it does seem a tad suspect. les reed has an awful job at the moment and those who are calling for him to go need to ask themselves who would replace him and how would that help settle everything down. more changes can only lead to more unrest and strife. Ralph may be quiet but as I said that doesn't mean he isn't working hard behind the scenes on new signings and sorting out this mess. legal restraints may be the reason we aren't being given any information regarding dejans supposed comments, so we will have to wait until the club clarifies its legal position before it makes a statement, we may just get an apology from dejan or he may distance himself from the statement, nothing we do will speed it up so its a case of wait and see unfortunately. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: -5

6:05pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Out of interest, if Cortese was so bloody useless why did Markus insist he ran the club otherwise he wouldn't buy it? Just asking like...

Also he trusted him with investing his money prior to buying the Saints, and I believe he had a bob or two.
seed I for one have never called NC useless, he did wonders for our club and it was his and st Markus's original `vision` that got us back to the prem, remember that one? to get to the prem and stay there in 5yrs. that was the `vision` the club had and the one we all brought into and were delighted it was achieved faster than expected. NC was the driving force of that `vision` but I think once that was sorted he went a bit too far. promising champs league footy to players with a team, that as you pointed out cost very little to put together and many of which came up with the team from L1. I notice in that team you put up earlier that you missed out our three top signings that cost nearly £40mill between them. liellana wasn't `free` either, yes in the grand scheme of things he didn't cost a lot £12k plus add ons for prem league appearance, england call ups etc. then you have to add the £6mill we now have to give allmouth. the rest of the team that came from he academy were also not `free` as there is a big cost to run the academy and that has to come from somewhere!

we would all love to see saints in the champs league but even with the players we brought in we are still a long way away from the top 4. NC might have wanted us to be in the champs league but in trying to get there he was spending more and more money and starting to spend way too much. I believe the board when they say they still want European football but I think they want to do it in a sustainable manner. how would we feel if we got to the prem by spending big but dropped down again with huge debts?
I understand your frustrations seed but I really don't get this love affair with NC. as I said I thank him for getting us to where we are but think he was trying to run before he could walk in respect to Europe.


people saying that ralph is significant by his absence might consider that he may be doing a lot of work in the background. he will probably be trying to find out (like we all are) if this disgusting statement from dejan is true and talking to lots of different parties to see where we stand legally etc. there is no point coming out with a rash statement condemning the player, fining him etc etc if these aren't his word, it looks as if they are though. once the club has the truth I expect a statement either way. we never herd from NC whilst he was in charge, and have heard a lot more from board members since hes gone, so the club are being more `open` as I said though they have to be careful what they say on these subjects, so let them get on with sorting it out and we will find out the truth as soon as they can let us know.
Sorry got side tracked by work before I gave a full answer to you. I didn't mention the three expensive signings because I didn't see them as part of the main team that got us to eighth which is what my point was. Osvaldo doesn't even play for us and Gaston was a bit part player. Victor does his role well but is a bit limited in other areas. I'd sooner have Jack who nicks the ball off others and has better distribution and all round play than Victor.

I've recently read on a couple of sites that we only pay Morgan £9k a week. If that's true it's a bit crap for a player of his ability. I know we can't pay the £100k a week stuff but we're not going to keep players like him by doing that, I'd have expected about £25k.

We have a massive war chest but will Ron struggle to get good players in if we can't offer better personal terms?

The first couple of signings will get the positive vibes going again and we can start to look forward to the season. I hear people saying that KL is in it for the long term and wants to do things in a different way, perhaps at a slower pace, that's brilliant as far as I'm concerned - if true.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Out of interest, if Cortese was so bloody useless why did Markus insist he ran the club otherwise he wouldn't buy it? Just asking like... Also he trusted him with investing his money prior to buying the Saints, and I believe he had a bob or two.[/p][/quote]seed I for one have never called NC useless, he did wonders for our club and it was his and st Markus's original `vision` that got us back to the prem, remember that one? to get to the prem and stay there in 5yrs. that was the `vision` the club had and the one we all brought into and were delighted it was achieved faster than expected. NC was the driving force of that `vision` but I think once that was sorted he went a bit too far. promising champs league footy to players with a team, that as you pointed out cost very little to put together and many of which came up with the team from L1. I notice in that team you put up earlier that you missed out our three top signings that cost nearly £40mill between them. liellana wasn't `free` either, yes in the grand scheme of things he didn't cost a lot £12k plus add ons for prem league appearance, england call ups etc. then you have to add the £6mill we now have to give allmouth. the rest of the team that came from he academy were also not `free` as there is a big cost to run the academy and that has to come from somewhere! we would all love to see saints in the champs league but even with the players we brought in we are still a long way away from the top 4. NC might have wanted us to be in the champs league but in trying to get there he was spending more and more money and starting to spend way too much. I believe the board when they say they still want European football but I think they want to do it in a sustainable manner. how would we feel if we got to the prem by spending big but dropped down again with huge debts? I understand your frustrations seed but I really don't get this love affair with NC. as I said I thank him for getting us to where we are but think he was trying to run before he could walk in respect to Europe. people saying that ralph is significant by his absence might consider that he may be doing a lot of work in the background. he will probably be trying to find out (like we all are) if this disgusting statement from dejan is true and talking to lots of different parties to see where we stand legally etc. there is no point coming out with a rash statement condemning the player, fining him etc etc if these aren't his word, it looks as if they are though. once the club has the truth I expect a statement either way. we never herd from NC whilst he was in charge, and have heard a lot more from board members since hes gone, so the club are being more `open` as I said though they have to be careful what they say on these subjects, so let them get on with sorting it out and we will find out the truth as soon as they can let us know.[/p][/quote]Sorry got side tracked by work before I gave a full answer to you. I didn't mention the three expensive signings because I didn't see them as part of the main team that got us to eighth which is what my point was. Osvaldo doesn't even play for us and Gaston was a bit part player. Victor does his role well but is a bit limited in other areas. I'd sooner have Jack who nicks the ball off others and has better distribution and all round play than Victor. I've recently read on a couple of sites that we only pay Morgan £9k a week. If that's true it's a bit crap for a player of his ability. I know we can't pay the £100k a week stuff but we're not going to keep players like him by doing that, I'd have expected about £25k. We have a massive war chest but will Ron struggle to get good players in if we can't offer better personal terms? The first couple of signings will get the positive vibes going again and we can start to look forward to the season. I hear people saying that KL is in it for the long term and wants to do things in a different way, perhaps at a slower pace, that's brilliant as far as I'm concerned - if true. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 14

6:18pm Mon 7 Jul 14

upwherewebelong says...

There's been a lot of well worded rational posts today certainly more rational than my recent posts. But in my defence it's only because I care passionately about Saints and don't want to see us throw away the opportunities we have. So i'll just pose a question or 2. If there is this 100m budget why are the club taking so long to spend any of it. Since the close season we haven't signed anyone and the players we're being linked with are just rumours at present. Krueger & Reed did promise the fans they would let us know about player targets so it would be great if they followed through on that and delivered these signings do people agree
There's been a lot of well worded rational posts today certainly more rational than my recent posts. But in my defence it's only because I care passionately about Saints and don't want to see us throw away the opportunities we have. So i'll just pose a question or 2. If there is this 100m budget why are the club taking so long to spend any of it. Since the close season we haven't signed anyone and the players we're being linked with are just rumours at present. Krueger & Reed did promise the fans they would let us know about player targets so it would be great if they followed through on that and delivered these signings do people agree upwherewebelong
  • Score: 15

6:21pm Mon 7 Jul 14

jasons odd says...

There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ...

Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans

I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .
There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ... Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status . jasons odd
  • Score: 7

6:21pm Mon 7 Jul 14

george chivers says...

warrens 76 wrote:
milton road wrote:
It is not surprising that KL wanted more financial control of the club, I think that is a modest response to a project that went 100% over value, design changes etc or not.
For those that seem to worry about where and how the 30 million will be paid, it would of been paid monthly as the work continued which is normal practice in construction. Therefore the vast majority of it has been paid. There will be a retention normally 15% that will be paid after a certain period.
Amongst all the hype as the media have looked to dismantle the club since Christmas. There was one paper that gave a very realistic view of the situation of Cortese's departure. That he could of named his own salary to stay. Yet the rift was over the fact KL was for slowing down the amount of money spent generally, not stopping it, but there are other projects like ground expansion to be considered etc and that she wanted to clear some of the outstanding money first such as owed transfer monies and the remaining payments on the training facility. Whilst the 30 mil transfer kitty was likely to be available the 80-100 million that would of been required to take Saints the extra step up would not be available without selling players. They also said that KL had no intention of selling the club now or in the near future. That she had refused several bids including one that was believed to be backing Cortese.
That to me has always seemed the most likely article to be the truth. Cortese wanted to really go for it and KL no less so but on careful and studied plan.
Cortese was massive for this club and it was a blow to lose him. Its two people with the same plan but each seeing a different path on how to do it. Many of us will remember a Leeds that just spent money like no tomorrow won the league got in the CL and got knocked out and the club fell to financial pieces. It was all too fast.
The thing to take into consideration is KL could of walked away and made a heap of money and she hasn't. Okay we can turn on the board and Les Reed said no player would leave this club unless it was right for the club. He has not lied, at the end of the day if a player really wants to go all you can do is get the right price and he has probably got the best price possible and stuck to it until it was achieved, he seems to be doing the same with Lovren, there is not much else he can do.
In real truth and cutting through everything maybe Markus and KL should of had more say from the start, then if Cortese went it would not of created the upheaval it did. Where has Lovren been he talks about new owners...um no,....they are the same just Cortese went. Same as Poch talking about Cortese brought him to the club....um no.....KL's money did.
I will be honest i always think Shaw was going to go after a season and he signed professional forms for Saints so that when he did they would get a good deal for him.
Adam is near on 27 and probably thought this might be his only chance of CL, probably not expecting the season to kick off for him as it did.
Lovren saw us as a stepping stone same as Poch.
Morgan is more structured about things he could of gone ages ago there has been enough offers for him even back when we were heading into admin and he stuck with us. He may go now.
Yet its more about us doing well and people wanting our manager and players at the very peak of football. I doubt even Cortese could stop that.
I am no less disappointed than anyone else but w can come out of this better and more experienced. let us hope that is the way forward.
All the talk of financial common sense is commendable and to the more accountancy minded as opposed to opportunity minded it makes sense, there is however a huge and unusual factor not normally if ever afforded a club outside of the top 5….

Firstly is this, KL is already sat on a huge profit from fathers investment in SFC, Nicola Cortese's alleged spendthrift ways aside…and I mean huge, few if any business's especially not football reap a potential £200-250 million return for an initial £13 million outlay….

Secondly, no existing non top 5 club has ever been so near to a breakthrough (50 million) into the elite for a) such little money (in relative terms) and b) in light of the pre existing value with zero actual risk..

The Swiss method of doing things has waved it's dead hand over our 'attainable' and affordable dream…I know what they are like, vision, panache, losing a single franc are all alien concepts..even the Ferrari's are grey as are most of the people…

The Father knew what he was doing with Saints as did Cortese, KL is being advised on a safety first policy which 99% of the time would be wise, however she has surrendered a prize beyond anything anyone could have dreamed and surrendered it to conserve a massive profit, there was no risk to the real value she has already benefitted from…worse case £250 million becomes £200 million…

..that ladies and gentleman is why so many of us are upset George Chivers take note…as an aside I am or at least was a pretty serious businessman and KL had the chance of turning our provincial club into a global brand..that happens once in a lifetime if you are very lucky AND spot it..
I take your points, but I think your £50 million figure is way under to assemble a squad of 24 players on top wages. Call it £150 million and even then that may not be enough. And that is without anybody transferring out. Look at the investment Man City have made and continue to make and are sponsored, albeit falsely in opinion, to the tune of £400 M. The risk for Saints is disproportionate to the investment. And please tell me since the inception of the PL how many clubs with a average home gates of circa 30,000 have played CL football on a regular basis?

As businessman you will know its not just how much money can be made that has to be considered, its how much money can be lost and is the investor willing to lose it? Which I think takes us back to your description of Swiss business people and why I think we can never be a regular top 4 club. Sadly.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: It is not surprising that KL wanted more financial control of the club, I think that is a modest response to a project that went 100% over value, design changes etc or not. For those that seem to worry about where and how the 30 million will be paid, it would of been paid monthly as the work continued which is normal practice in construction. Therefore the vast majority of it has been paid. There will be a retention normally 15% that will be paid after a certain period. Amongst all the hype as the media have looked to dismantle the club since Christmas. There was one paper that gave a very realistic view of the situation of Cortese's departure. That he could of named his own salary to stay. Yet the rift was over the fact KL was for slowing down the amount of money spent generally, not stopping it, but there are other projects like ground expansion to be considered etc and that she wanted to clear some of the outstanding money first such as owed transfer monies and the remaining payments on the training facility. Whilst the 30 mil transfer kitty was likely to be available the 80-100 million that would of been required to take Saints the extra step up would not be available without selling players. They also said that KL had no intention of selling the club now or in the near future. That she had refused several bids including one that was believed to be backing Cortese. That to me has always seemed the most likely article to be the truth. Cortese wanted to really go for it and KL no less so but on careful and studied plan. Cortese was massive for this club and it was a blow to lose him. Its two people with the same plan but each seeing a different path on how to do it. Many of us will remember a Leeds that just spent money like no tomorrow won the league got in the CL and got knocked out and the club fell to financial pieces. It was all too fast. The thing to take into consideration is KL could of walked away and made a heap of money and she hasn't. Okay we can turn on the board and Les Reed said no player would leave this club unless it was right for the club. He has not lied, at the end of the day if a player really wants to go all you can do is get the right price and he has probably got the best price possible and stuck to it until it was achieved, he seems to be doing the same with Lovren, there is not much else he can do. In real truth and cutting through everything maybe Markus and KL should of had more say from the start, then if Cortese went it would not of created the upheaval it did. Where has Lovren been he talks about new owners...um no,....they are the same just Cortese went. Same as Poch talking about Cortese brought him to the club....um no.....KL's money did. I will be honest i always think Shaw was going to go after a season and he signed professional forms for Saints so that when he did they would get a good deal for him. Adam is near on 27 and probably thought this might be his only chance of CL, probably not expecting the season to kick off for him as it did. Lovren saw us as a stepping stone same as Poch. Morgan is more structured about things he could of gone ages ago there has been enough offers for him even back when we were heading into admin and he stuck with us. He may go now. Yet its more about us doing well and people wanting our manager and players at the very peak of football. I doubt even Cortese could stop that. I am no less disappointed than anyone else but w can come out of this better and more experienced. let us hope that is the way forward.[/p][/quote]All the talk of financial common sense is commendable and to the more accountancy minded as opposed to opportunity minded it makes sense, there is however a huge and unusual factor not normally if ever afforded a club outside of the top 5…. Firstly is this, KL is already sat on a huge profit from fathers investment in SFC, Nicola Cortese's alleged spendthrift ways aside…and I mean huge, few if any business's especially not football reap a potential £200-250 million return for an initial £13 million outlay…. Secondly, no existing non top 5 club has ever been so near to a breakthrough (50 million) into the elite for a) such little money (in relative terms) and b) in light of the pre existing value with zero actual risk.. The Swiss method of doing things has waved it's dead hand over our 'attainable' and affordable dream…I know what they are like, vision, panache, losing a single franc are all alien concepts..even the Ferrari's are grey as are most of the people… The Father knew what he was doing with Saints as did Cortese, KL is being advised on a safety first policy which 99% of the time would be wise, however she has surrendered a prize beyond anything anyone could have dreamed and surrendered it to conserve a massive profit, there was no risk to the real value she has already benefitted from…worse case £250 million becomes £200 million… ..that ladies and gentleman is why so many of us are upset George Chivers take note…as an aside I am or at least was a pretty serious businessman and KL had the chance of turning our provincial club into a global brand..that happens once in a lifetime if you are very lucky AND spot it..[/p][/quote]I take your points, but I think your £50 million figure is way under to assemble a squad of 24 players on top wages. Call it £150 million and even then that may not be enough. And that is without anybody transferring out. Look at the investment Man City have made and continue to make and are sponsored, albeit falsely in opinion, to the tune of £400 M. The risk for Saints is disproportionate to the investment. And please tell me since the inception of the PL how many clubs with a average home gates of circa 30,000 have played CL football on a regular basis? As businessman you will know its not just how much money can be made that has to be considered, its how much money can be lost and is the investor willing to lose it? Which I think takes us back to your description of Swiss business people and why I think we can never be a regular top 4 club. Sadly. george chivers
  • Score: 0

6:27pm Mon 7 Jul 14

loosehead says...

Let's put it into perspective shall we?
Lambert left to go to his birth place, Then we have players who went to the World Cup who showed us they're not world class players ( how many games did England win? 0 ) Yet they come back here saying how good they are & how they want to play for bigger clubs than Southampton? was it Barcelona that came for them? NO it was Liverpool who were so good they threw the premiership title last year. Man U who aren't that good & like us are trying to build a better squad & weren't in the top 4 last year.
So players believing they're far better than they actually are who I can't see getting into Liverpools first team not our boards lack of ambition is behind this exodus.
Let's put it into perspective shall we? Lambert left to go to his birth place, Then we have players who went to the World Cup who showed us they're not world class players ( how many games did England win? 0 ) Yet they come back here saying how good they are & how they want to play for bigger clubs than Southampton? was it Barcelona that came for them? NO it was Liverpool who were so good they threw the premiership title last year. Man U who aren't that good & like us are trying to build a better squad & weren't in the top 4 last year. So players believing they're far better than they actually are who I can't see getting into Liverpools first team not our boards lack of ambition is behind this exodus. loosehead
  • Score: 3

6:34pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Saintade says...

Mattyboysaints wrote:
I'm really excited and can't wait until the new season and here's why:-

1) Looking forward to seeing those turn coats fail at their new destinations, end of the day we finished 8th last term and their new teams will be expecting more.
2) counting down the days until Spurs sack POSH, we all know it will happen, the only question is which side of Xmas it will be.
3) Can't wait to watch the start of Super Ron's journey with the Saints and watch him build a side and see some new signing don the new red and white strips.
4) Looking forward to Ron & Louie have a bust up and the two teams competing for that last CPL place.
5) Looking forward to Ricci jogging over to the away Saints fans on the opening day and giving us all a clap, that you just know he means. AL can go F£&@ himself.
6) Looking forward to the Koeman brothers getting us play the Dutch way :-)
7) Looking forward to either a £25 million cheque for DL or watching him rot in the reserves.
8) Can't wait to buy my boy his third Saints shirt and the first time he will be wearing the true colours.
9) looking forward to Jay getting fit and returning to first team action.

What I'm trying to say Saints fans is that this is an amazing ride we are on and focus on the positives, cos there are loads and never a better time to be a SAINTS fan. COYS.
Er, can't quite see ANY positives so far mate....no players in, owe £20m in back transfer payments and £30m overspent on the training ground facilities, there's the £50m gone right there...rumour that we will have to rely on youngsters next season - I can't get excited at all I'm afraid.
[quote][p][bold]Mattyboysaints[/bold] wrote: I'm really excited and can't wait until the new season and here's why:- 1) Looking forward to seeing those turn coats fail at their new destinations, end of the day we finished 8th last term and their new teams will be expecting more. 2) counting down the days until Spurs sack POSH, we all know it will happen, the only question is which side of Xmas it will be. 3) Can't wait to watch the start of Super Ron's journey with the Saints and watch him build a side and see some new signing don the new red and white strips. 4) Looking forward to Ron & Louie have a bust up and the two teams competing for that last CPL place. 5) Looking forward to Ricci jogging over to the away Saints fans on the opening day and giving us all a clap, that you just know he means. AL can go F£&@ himself. 6) Looking forward to the Koeman brothers getting us play the Dutch way :-) 7) Looking forward to either a £25 million cheque for DL or watching him rot in the reserves. 8) Can't wait to buy my boy his third Saints shirt and the first time he will be wearing the true colours. 9) looking forward to Jay getting fit and returning to first team action. What I'm trying to say Saints fans is that this is an amazing ride we are on and focus on the positives, cos there are loads and never a better time to be a SAINTS fan. COYS.[/p][/quote]Er, can't quite see ANY positives so far mate....no players in, owe £20m in back transfer payments and £30m overspent on the training ground facilities, there's the £50m gone right there...rumour that we will have to rely on youngsters next season - I can't get excited at all I'm afraid. Saintade
  • Score: 1

6:43pm Mon 7 Jul 14

peregrine73 says...

Gormzzz wrote:
Goalkeepers.
Guillermo Ochoa (Free, amazing when he was younger, disappeared for a bit, but still amazing in the world cup and Ajaccio thought he was there best player, worth a go).

Maxym Koval (Dynamo Kiev, could become one of the best goalkeepers in the world, buyable).

Jasper Cillessen (Ajax, Not better than Boruc in my opinion but good competition, buyable).

Centre Backs.
Bruno-Martins Indi (Feynoord,Establishe

d in Hollands team, Going to Porto for less than £10 mill, we should get him, surely Koeman helps.

Shkodran Mustafi (Sampdoria, Future Germany CB, played at RB this world cup, lkely to be competition but huge future, not quite Hummels though, worth a go).

Virgil Van Dijk (Celtic, I believe will be Hollands best CB, is far more athletic than all of the others with a more rounded game, good replacement for Lovren, buyable).

Terrence Kongolo (Feyenoord, him and Indi have a higher ceiling than De Vrij when it comes to Feyenoord’s CB’s, buyable).

Eder Balanta (River Plate, Columbia’s future CB, buyable).

Left Back.
Ricardo Rodriguez (Wolfsburg, couldn't cost more than £13mill, buyable).

Jetro Willems (PSV, missed world cup through injury. Definite starter over Blind if fit, buyable).

Central Midfielders.
Jordy Classie (Feyenoord, Dutch Xavi, Koeman must mean he's buyable).

Right Wingers.

Richairo Zivkovic (Ajax, next big Dutch superstar. Higher cealing than Memphis Depay, not to expensive, buyable).

Juan Cuadrado (Fiorentina, if we're willing to spend £15mil on players and compete with a few bigger clubs, worth a go).

Wilfried Zaha (Bad season at United and Cardiff, but was a beast before and still is, just needed a chance, buyable).

Left wing.
Alvaro Vadillo (Betis, Relegeted with Betis, therefore buyable, Spain’s future left winger, buyable).

Attack Midfielders.
Kevin De Bruyne (Wolfsburg, worth a bid, may cost £20 mil though but will be one of the worlds best, buyable).

Bernard (Shaktar, same as De Bruyne, worth a go).

Patrick Roberts (Fulham, Will become England's best player, buyable.).

Strikers.
Enner Valencia (Pachuca, amazing at the world cup, can finish, is strong, unbelievable athletic, must buy in my opinion, buyable).

Leandro Damiao, (Santos, Flopped at Santos, wants to come to Europe, only £12 mill now, worth a go).

Romelu Lukaku (Chelsea want to sell, Manzukic to Athletico, worth a bid but close to £20mill).

Luis Muriel (Udinese, would cost £15 mill, future Columbia number 9, worth a go.

We should sell, All the deadwood players: Hoiiveld, Sharpe, Fox, Mayuka etc. As well as Osvaldo, Ramirez, Yoshida, Steven Davis.. Use that money to further strengthen the squad.

Take your pick from these players, 1GK, 3 CB’s, 1 CM, 1 AM, 1 RW, 1 LW, 2 STRIKERS.

Sell Lovren and Schbeiderlin if they both want to go and buy more replacements, if we brought players like these with our £80, £60, £100 mill whatever it is.

This is a much better team than last season if we could pull it off.

GK - Ochoa/Koval.
RB - Clyne/Chambers.
CB's - Indi and Van Dijk.
LB - Willems/Rodriguez.
CM - Classie and Wanyama (JWP too).
RW - Cuadrado/Zivkovic
LW - J Rod.
CAM - De Bruyne/Bernard (I'd buy Roberts and starts him like Shaw).
ST - Valenica/Lukaku/Dami

ao/Muriel (Gallagher 3rd choice).
Great list,only one problem: getting them to sign for a club who are in the process of selling there main players. It gives negative vibes to possible signings. Its going to be difficult to attract quality players,in reality we may get players to fill all the positions but will they keeps us in the premiership? I think not.
[quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: Goalkeepers. Guillermo Ochoa (Free, amazing when he was younger, disappeared for a bit, but still amazing in the world cup and Ajaccio thought he was there best player, worth a go). Maxym Koval (Dynamo Kiev, could become one of the best goalkeepers in the world, buyable). Jasper Cillessen (Ajax, Not better than Boruc in my opinion but good competition, buyable). Centre Backs. Bruno-Martins Indi (Feynoord,Establishe d in Hollands team, Going to Porto for less than £10 mill, we should get him, surely Koeman helps. Shkodran Mustafi (Sampdoria, Future Germany CB, played at RB this world cup, lkely to be competition but huge future, not quite Hummels though, worth a go). Virgil Van Dijk (Celtic, I believe will be Hollands best CB, is far more athletic than all of the others with a more rounded game, good replacement for Lovren, buyable). Terrence Kongolo (Feyenoord, him and Indi have a higher ceiling than De Vrij when it comes to Feyenoord’s CB’s, buyable). Eder Balanta (River Plate, Columbia’s future CB, buyable). Left Back. Ricardo Rodriguez (Wolfsburg, couldn't cost more than £13mill, buyable). Jetro Willems (PSV, missed world cup through injury. Definite starter over Blind if fit, buyable). Central Midfielders. Jordy Classie (Feyenoord, Dutch Xavi, Koeman must mean he's buyable). Right Wingers. Richairo Zivkovic (Ajax, next big Dutch superstar. Higher cealing than Memphis Depay, not to expensive, buyable). Juan Cuadrado (Fiorentina, if we're willing to spend £15mil on players and compete with a few bigger clubs, worth a go). Wilfried Zaha (Bad season at United and Cardiff, but was a beast before and still is, just needed a chance, buyable). Left wing. Alvaro Vadillo (Betis, Relegeted with Betis, therefore buyable, Spain’s future left winger, buyable). Attack Midfielders. Kevin De Bruyne (Wolfsburg, worth a bid, may cost £20 mil though but will be one of the worlds best, buyable). Bernard (Shaktar, same as De Bruyne, worth a go). Patrick Roberts (Fulham, Will become England's best player, buyable.). Strikers. Enner Valencia (Pachuca, amazing at the world cup, can finish, is strong, unbelievable athletic, must buy in my opinion, buyable). Leandro Damiao, (Santos, Flopped at Santos, wants to come to Europe, only £12 mill now, worth a go). Romelu Lukaku (Chelsea want to sell, Manzukic to Athletico, worth a bid but close to £20mill). Luis Muriel (Udinese, would cost £15 mill, future Columbia number 9, worth a go. We should sell, All the deadwood players: Hoiiveld, Sharpe, Fox, Mayuka etc. As well as Osvaldo, Ramirez, Yoshida, Steven Davis.. Use that money to further strengthen the squad. Take your pick from these players, 1GK, 3 CB’s, 1 CM, 1 AM, 1 RW, 1 LW, 2 STRIKERS. Sell Lovren and Schbeiderlin if they both want to go and buy more replacements, if we brought players like these with our £80, £60, £100 mill whatever it is. This is a much better team than last season if we could pull it off. GK - Ochoa/Koval. RB - Clyne/Chambers. CB's - Indi and Van Dijk. LB - Willems/Rodriguez. CM - Classie and Wanyama (JWP too). RW - Cuadrado/Zivkovic LW - J Rod. CAM - De Bruyne/Bernard (I'd buy Roberts and starts him like Shaw). ST - Valenica/Lukaku/Dami ao/Muriel (Gallagher 3rd choice).[/p][/quote]Great list,only one problem: getting them to sign for a club who are in the process of selling there main players. It gives negative vibes to possible signings. Its going to be difficult to attract quality players,in reality we may get players to fill all the positions but will they keeps us in the premiership? I think not. peregrine73
  • Score: 6

6:43pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Saintade says...

spratt wrote:
SarisburyGreen wrote:
What Lovren says is completely out of order but the plain fact is that the team is being dismantled because the club has spent way beyond its means in the past few seasons and the owners want their money back. They nearly always do, that's the problem with sugar daddies.
Lovren's been completely disrespectful but anyone can see he's going.
So are you saying that all these players are being sold because KL wants some of the money back which has been ploughed into the club in recent years? If that is the case why then has a £100m fund been made available for new players and the highest ever profile manager in the clubs history been appointed? Please give me your answer. I am not being confrontationa. Just interested to know your reasoning.l
Who says £100m has been set aside for players? The Echo? No-one at the club has stated that, and even if they did would you REALLY believe it after all the lies we've been told this summer?
[quote][p][bold]spratt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SarisburyGreen[/bold] wrote: What Lovren says is completely out of order but the plain fact is that the team is being dismantled because the club has spent way beyond its means in the past few seasons and the owners want their money back. They nearly always do, that's the problem with sugar daddies. Lovren's been completely disrespectful but anyone can see he's going.[/p][/quote]So are you saying that all these players are being sold because KL wants some of the money back which has been ploughed into the club in recent years? If that is the case why then has a £100m fund been made available for new players and the highest ever profile manager in the clubs history been appointed? Please give me your answer. I am not being confrontationa. Just interested to know your reasoning.l[/p][/quote]Who says £100m has been set aside for players? The Echo? No-one at the club has stated that, and even if they did would you REALLY believe it after all the lies we've been told this summer? Saintade
  • Score: 3

6:51pm Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saintade wrote:
spratt wrote:
SarisburyGreen wrote:
What Lovren says is completely out of order but the plain fact is that the team is being dismantled because the club has spent way beyond its means in the past few seasons and the owners want their money back. They nearly always do, that's the problem with sugar daddies.
Lovren's been completely disrespectful but anyone can see he's going.
So are you saying that all these players are being sold because KL wants some of the money back which has been ploughed into the club in recent years? If that is the case why then has a £100m fund been made available for new players and the highest ever profile manager in the clubs history been appointed? Please give me your answer. I am not being confrontationa. Just interested to know your reasoning.l
Who says £100m has been set aside for players? The Echo? No-one at the club has stated that, and even if they did would you REALLY believe it after all the lies we've been told this summer?
Saintade?
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spratt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SarisburyGreen[/bold] wrote: What Lovren says is completely out of order but the plain fact is that the team is being dismantled because the club has spent way beyond its means in the past few seasons and the owners want their money back. They nearly always do, that's the problem with sugar daddies. Lovren's been completely disrespectful but anyone can see he's going.[/p][/quote]So are you saying that all these players are being sold because KL wants some of the money back which has been ploughed into the club in recent years? If that is the case why then has a £100m fund been made available for new players and the highest ever profile manager in the clubs history been appointed? Please give me your answer. I am not being confrontationa. Just interested to know your reasoning.l[/p][/quote]Who says £100m has been set aside for players? The Echo? No-one at the club has stated that, and even if they did would you REALLY believe it after all the lies we've been told this summer?[/p][/quote]Saintade? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

6:51pm Mon 7 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

george chivers wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
milton road wrote:
It is not surprising that KL wanted more financial control of the club, I think that is a modest response to a project that went 100% over value, design changes etc or not.
For those that seem to worry about where and how the 30 million will be paid, it would of been paid monthly as the work continued which is normal practice in construction. Therefore the vast majority of it has been paid. There will be a retention normally 15% that will be paid after a certain period.
Amongst all the hype as the media have looked to dismantle the club since Christmas. There was one paper that gave a very realistic view of the situation of Cortese's departure. That he could of named his own salary to stay. Yet the rift was over the fact KL was for slowing down the amount of money spent generally, not stopping it, but there are other projects like ground expansion to be considered etc and that she wanted to clear some of the outstanding money first such as owed transfer monies and the remaining payments on the training facility. Whilst the 30 mil transfer kitty was likely to be available the 80-100 million that would of been required to take Saints the extra step up would not be available without selling players. They also said that KL had no intention of selling the club now or in the near future. That she had refused several bids including one that was believed to be backing Cortese.
That to me has always seemed the most likely article to be the truth. Cortese wanted to really go for it and KL no less so but on careful and studied plan.
Cortese was massive for this club and it was a blow to lose him. Its two people with the same plan but each seeing a different path on how to do it. Many of us will remember a Leeds that just spent money like no tomorrow won the league got in the CL and got knocked out and the club fell to financial pieces. It was all too fast.
The thing to take into consideration is KL could of walked away and made a heap of money and she hasn't. Okay we can turn on the board and Les Reed said no player would leave this club unless it was right for the club. He has not lied, at the end of the day if a player really wants to go all you can do is get the right price and he has probably got the best price possible and stuck to it until it was achieved, he seems to be doing the same with Lovren, there is not much else he can do.
In real truth and cutting through everything maybe Markus and KL should of had more say from the start, then if Cortese went it would not of created the upheaval it did. Where has Lovren been he talks about new owners...um no,....they are the same just Cortese went. Same as Poch talking about Cortese brought him to the club....um no.....KL's money did.
I will be honest i always think Shaw was going to go after a season and he signed professional forms for Saints so that when he did they would get a good deal for him.
Adam is near on 27 and probably thought this might be his only chance of CL, probably not expecting the season to kick off for him as it did.
Lovren saw us as a stepping stone same as Poch.
Morgan is more structured about things he could of gone ages ago there has been enough offers for him even back when we were heading into admin and he stuck with us. He may go now.
Yet its more about us doing well and people wanting our manager and players at the very peak of football. I doubt even Cortese could stop that.
I am no less disappointed than anyone else but w can come out of this better and more experienced. let us hope that is the way forward.
All the talk of financial common sense is commendable and to the more accountancy minded as opposed to opportunity minded it makes sense, there is however a huge and unusual factor not normally if ever afforded a club outside of the top 5….

Firstly is this, KL is already sat on a huge profit from fathers investment in SFC, Nicola Cortese's alleged spendthrift ways aside…and I mean huge, few if any business's especially not football reap a potential £200-250 million return for an initial £13 million outlay….

Secondly, no existing non top 5 club has ever been so near to a breakthrough (50 million) into the elite for a) such little money (in relative terms) and b) in light of the pre existing value with zero actual risk..

The Swiss method of doing things has waved it's dead hand over our 'attainable' and affordable dream…I know what they are like, vision, panache, losing a single franc are all alien concepts..even the Ferrari's are grey as are most of the people…

The Father knew what he was doing with Saints as did Cortese, KL is being advised on a safety first policy which 99% of the time would be wise, however she has surrendered a prize beyond anything anyone could have dreamed and surrendered it to conserve a massive profit, there was no risk to the real value she has already benefitted from…worse case £250 million becomes £200 million…

..that ladies and gentleman is why so many of us are upset George Chivers take note…as an aside I am or at least was a pretty serious businessman and KL had the chance of turning our provincial club into a global brand..that happens once in a lifetime if you are very lucky AND spot it..
I take your points, but I think your £50 million figure is way under to assemble a squad of 24 players on top wages. Call it £150 million and even then that may not be enough. And that is without anybody transferring out. Look at the investment Man City have made and continue to make and are sponsored, albeit falsely in opinion, to the tune of £400 M. The risk for Saints is disproportionate to the investment. And please tell me since the inception of the PL how many clubs with a average home gates of circa 30,000 have played CL football on a regular basis?

As businessman you will know its not just how much money can be made that has to be considered, its how much money can be lost and is the investor willing to lose it? Which I think takes us back to your description of Swiss business people and why I think we can never be a regular top 4 club. Sadly.
fair point…tight as aducks 4rse does not come near..
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: It is not surprising that KL wanted more financial control of the club, I think that is a modest response to a project that went 100% over value, design changes etc or not. For those that seem to worry about where and how the 30 million will be paid, it would of been paid monthly as the work continued which is normal practice in construction. Therefore the vast majority of it has been paid. There will be a retention normally 15% that will be paid after a certain period. Amongst all the hype as the media have looked to dismantle the club since Christmas. There was one paper that gave a very realistic view of the situation of Cortese's departure. That he could of named his own salary to stay. Yet the rift was over the fact KL was for slowing down the amount of money spent generally, not stopping it, but there are other projects like ground expansion to be considered etc and that she wanted to clear some of the outstanding money first such as owed transfer monies and the remaining payments on the training facility. Whilst the 30 mil transfer kitty was likely to be available the 80-100 million that would of been required to take Saints the extra step up would not be available without selling players. They also said that KL had no intention of selling the club now or in the near future. That she had refused several bids including one that was believed to be backing Cortese. That to me has always seemed the most likely article to be the truth. Cortese wanted to really go for it and KL no less so but on careful and studied plan. Cortese was massive for this club and it was a blow to lose him. Its two people with the same plan but each seeing a different path on how to do it. Many of us will remember a Leeds that just spent money like no tomorrow won the league got in the CL and got knocked out and the club fell to financial pieces. It was all too fast. The thing to take into consideration is KL could of walked away and made a heap of money and she hasn't. Okay we can turn on the board and Les Reed said no player would leave this club unless it was right for the club. He has not lied, at the end of the day if a player really wants to go all you can do is get the right price and he has probably got the best price possible and stuck to it until it was achieved, he seems to be doing the same with Lovren, there is not much else he can do. In real truth and cutting through everything maybe Markus and KL should of had more say from the start, then if Cortese went it would not of created the upheaval it did. Where has Lovren been he talks about new owners...um no,....they are the same just Cortese went. Same as Poch talking about Cortese brought him to the club....um no.....KL's money did. I will be honest i always think Shaw was going to go after a season and he signed professional forms for Saints so that when he did they would get a good deal for him. Adam is near on 27 and probably thought this might be his only chance of CL, probably not expecting the season to kick off for him as it did. Lovren saw us as a stepping stone same as Poch. Morgan is more structured about things he could of gone ages ago there has been enough offers for him even back when we were heading into admin and he stuck with us. He may go now. Yet its more about us doing well and people wanting our manager and players at the very peak of football. I doubt even Cortese could stop that. I am no less disappointed than anyone else but w can come out of this better and more experienced. let us hope that is the way forward.[/p][/quote]All the talk of financial common sense is commendable and to the more accountancy minded as opposed to opportunity minded it makes sense, there is however a huge and unusual factor not normally if ever afforded a club outside of the top 5…. Firstly is this, KL is already sat on a huge profit from fathers investment in SFC, Nicola Cortese's alleged spendthrift ways aside…and I mean huge, few if any business's especially not football reap a potential £200-250 million return for an initial £13 million outlay…. Secondly, no existing non top 5 club has ever been so near to a breakthrough (50 million) into the elite for a) such little money (in relative terms) and b) in light of the pre existing value with zero actual risk.. The Swiss method of doing things has waved it's dead hand over our 'attainable' and affordable dream…I know what they are like, vision, panache, losing a single franc are all alien concepts..even the Ferrari's are grey as are most of the people… The Father knew what he was doing with Saints as did Cortese, KL is being advised on a safety first policy which 99% of the time would be wise, however she has surrendered a prize beyond anything anyone could have dreamed and surrendered it to conserve a massive profit, there was no risk to the real value she has already benefitted from…worse case £250 million becomes £200 million… ..that ladies and gentleman is why so many of us are upset George Chivers take note…as an aside I am or at least was a pretty serious businessman and KL had the chance of turning our provincial club into a global brand..that happens once in a lifetime if you are very lucky AND spot it..[/p][/quote]I take your points, but I think your £50 million figure is way under to assemble a squad of 24 players on top wages. Call it £150 million and even then that may not be enough. And that is without anybody transferring out. Look at the investment Man City have made and continue to make and are sponsored, albeit falsely in opinion, to the tune of £400 M. The risk for Saints is disproportionate to the investment. And please tell me since the inception of the PL how many clubs with a average home gates of circa 30,000 have played CL football on a regular basis? As businessman you will know its not just how much money can be made that has to be considered, its how much money can be lost and is the investor willing to lose it? Which I think takes us back to your description of Swiss business people and why I think we can never be a regular top 4 club. Sadly.[/p][/quote]fair point…tight as aducks 4rse does not come near.. warrens 76
  • Score: -4

6:52pm Mon 7 Jul 14

fritzer says...

Markus Liebherr would turn in his grave if he knew what is going on at his beloved club.
Markus Liebherr would turn in his grave if he knew what is going on at his beloved club. fritzer
  • Score: 3

6:54pm Mon 7 Jul 14

jls217 says...

Gormzzz wrote:
Goalkeepers.
Guillermo Ochoa (Free, amazing when he was younger, disappeared for a bit, but still amazing in the world cup and Ajaccio thought he was there best player, worth a go).

Maxym Koval (Dynamo Kiev, could become one of the best goalkeepers in the world, buyable).

Jasper Cillessen (Ajax, Not better than Boruc in my opinion but good competition, buyable).

Centre Backs.
Bruno-Martins Indi (Feynoord,Establishe

d in Hollands team, Going to Porto for less than £10 mill, we should get him, surely Koeman helps.

Shkodran Mustafi (Sampdoria, Future Germany CB, played at RB this world cup, lkely to be competition but huge future, not quite Hummels though, worth a go).

Virgil Van Dijk (Celtic, I believe will be Hollands best CB, is far more athletic than all of the others with a more rounded game, good replacement for Lovren, buyable).

Terrence Kongolo (Feyenoord, him and Indi have a higher ceiling than De Vrij when it comes to Feyenoord’s CB’s, buyable).

Eder Balanta (River Plate, Columbia’s future CB, buyable).

Left Back.
Ricardo Rodriguez (Wolfsburg, couldn't cost more than £13mill, buyable).

Jetro Willems (PSV, missed world cup through injury. Definite starter over Blind if fit, buyable).

Central Midfielders.
Jordy Classie (Feyenoord, Dutch Xavi, Koeman must mean he's buyable).

Right Wingers.

Richairo Zivkovic (Ajax, next big Dutch superstar. Higher cealing than Memphis Depay, not to expensive, buyable).

Juan Cuadrado (Fiorentina, if we're willing to spend £15mil on players and compete with a few bigger clubs, worth a go).

Wilfried Zaha (Bad season at United and Cardiff, but was a beast before and still is, just needed a chance, buyable).

Left wing.
Alvaro Vadillo (Betis, Relegeted with Betis, therefore buyable, Spain’s future left winger, buyable).

Attack Midfielders.
Kevin De Bruyne (Wolfsburg, worth a bid, may cost £20 mil though but will be one of the worlds best, buyable).

Bernard (Shaktar, same as De Bruyne, worth a go).

Patrick Roberts (Fulham, Will become England's best player, buyable.).

Strikers.
Enner Valencia (Pachuca, amazing at the world cup, can finish, is strong, unbelievable athletic, must buy in my opinion, buyable).

Leandro Damiao, (Santos, Flopped at Santos, wants to come to Europe, only £12 mill now, worth a go).

Romelu Lukaku (Chelsea want to sell, Manzukic to Athletico, worth a bid but close to £20mill).

Luis Muriel (Udinese, would cost £15 mill, future Columbia number 9, worth a go.

We should sell, All the deadwood players: Hoiiveld, Sharpe, Fox, Mayuka etc. As well as Osvaldo, Ramirez, Yoshida, Steven Davis.. Use that money to further strengthen the squad.

Take your pick from these players, 1GK, 3 CB’s, 1 CM, 1 AM, 1 RW, 1 LW, 2 STRIKERS.

Sell Lovren and Schbeiderlin if they both want to go and buy more replacements, if we brought players like these with our £80, £60, £100 mill whatever it is.

This is a much better team than last season if we could pull it off.

GK - Ochoa/Koval.
RB - Clyne/Chambers.
CB's - Indi and Van Dijk.
LB - Willems/Rodriguez.
CM - Classie and Wanyama (JWP too).
RW - Cuadrado/Zivkovic
LW - J Rod.
CAM - De Bruyne/Bernard (I'd buy Roberts and starts him like Shaw).
ST - Valenica/Lukaku/Dami

ao/Muriel (Gallagher 3rd choice).
Since when has Davis been considered Deadwood. Does Cork come into that category too?
[quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: Goalkeepers. Guillermo Ochoa (Free, amazing when he was younger, disappeared for a bit, but still amazing in the world cup and Ajaccio thought he was there best player, worth a go). Maxym Koval (Dynamo Kiev, could become one of the best goalkeepers in the world, buyable). Jasper Cillessen (Ajax, Not better than Boruc in my opinion but good competition, buyable). Centre Backs. Bruno-Martins Indi (Feynoord,Establishe d in Hollands team, Going to Porto for less than £10 mill, we should get him, surely Koeman helps. Shkodran Mustafi (Sampdoria, Future Germany CB, played at RB this world cup, lkely to be competition but huge future, not quite Hummels though, worth a go). Virgil Van Dijk (Celtic, I believe will be Hollands best CB, is far more athletic than all of the others with a more rounded game, good replacement for Lovren, buyable). Terrence Kongolo (Feyenoord, him and Indi have a higher ceiling than De Vrij when it comes to Feyenoord’s CB’s, buyable). Eder Balanta (River Plate, Columbia’s future CB, buyable). Left Back. Ricardo Rodriguez (Wolfsburg, couldn't cost more than £13mill, buyable). Jetro Willems (PSV, missed world cup through injury. Definite starter over Blind if fit, buyable). Central Midfielders. Jordy Classie (Feyenoord, Dutch Xavi, Koeman must mean he's buyable). Right Wingers. Richairo Zivkovic (Ajax, next big Dutch superstar. Higher cealing than Memphis Depay, not to expensive, buyable). Juan Cuadrado (Fiorentina, if we're willing to spend £15mil on players and compete with a few bigger clubs, worth a go). Wilfried Zaha (Bad season at United and Cardiff, but was a beast before and still is, just needed a chance, buyable). Left wing. Alvaro Vadillo (Betis, Relegeted with Betis, therefore buyable, Spain’s future left winger, buyable). Attack Midfielders. Kevin De Bruyne (Wolfsburg, worth a bid, may cost £20 mil though but will be one of the worlds best, buyable). Bernard (Shaktar, same as De Bruyne, worth a go). Patrick Roberts (Fulham, Will become England's best player, buyable.). Strikers. Enner Valencia (Pachuca, amazing at the world cup, can finish, is strong, unbelievable athletic, must buy in my opinion, buyable). Leandro Damiao, (Santos, Flopped at Santos, wants to come to Europe, only £12 mill now, worth a go). Romelu Lukaku (Chelsea want to sell, Manzukic to Athletico, worth a bid but close to £20mill). Luis Muriel (Udinese, would cost £15 mill, future Columbia number 9, worth a go. We should sell, All the deadwood players: Hoiiveld, Sharpe, Fox, Mayuka etc. As well as Osvaldo, Ramirez, Yoshida, Steven Davis.. Use that money to further strengthen the squad. Take your pick from these players, 1GK, 3 CB’s, 1 CM, 1 AM, 1 RW, 1 LW, 2 STRIKERS. Sell Lovren and Schbeiderlin if they both want to go and buy more replacements, if we brought players like these with our £80, £60, £100 mill whatever it is. This is a much better team than last season if we could pull it off. GK - Ochoa/Koval. RB - Clyne/Chambers. CB's - Indi and Van Dijk. LB - Willems/Rodriguez. CM - Classie and Wanyama (JWP too). RW - Cuadrado/Zivkovic LW - J Rod. CAM - De Bruyne/Bernard (I'd buy Roberts and starts him like Shaw). ST - Valenica/Lukaku/Dami ao/Muriel (Gallagher 3rd choice).[/p][/quote]Since when has Davis been considered Deadwood. Does Cork come into that category too? jls217
  • Score: 3

6:55pm Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jasons odd wrote:
There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ...

Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans

I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .
.. and if you are wrong?
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ... Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .[/p][/quote].. and if you are wrong? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

7:01pm Mon 7 Jul 14

GX Saint says...

Lovren is a Pietersen, an absolute Pietersen
Lovren is a Pietersen, an absolute Pietersen GX Saint
  • Score: 5

7:02pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Churchill Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Out of interest, if Cortese was so bloody useless why did Markus insist he ran the club otherwise he wouldn't buy it? Just asking like...

Also he trusted him with investing his money prior to buying the Saints, and I believe he had a bob or two.
NC changed. When Markus was alive, NC was reporting to someone who was older, wiser, successful, experienced and someone he deeply respected and he looked up to as a father figure. He would not dare let him down or take unnecessary risk. However, when Katherina became his boss, he was reporting to someone was younger, had not built her own empire, was of a different gender and was probably someone he considered more as his niece. I think he could not stand the thought of taking orders from her and he startied taking gung-ho decisions with the Liebherr money and making unrealistical promises (that some people seem to be confusing with ambition). I think his departure was inevitable and he knew it. And he wanted to take her and the club down with him.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Out of interest, if Cortese was so bloody useless why did Markus insist he ran the club otherwise he wouldn't buy it? Just asking like... Also he trusted him with investing his money prior to buying the Saints, and I believe he had a bob or two.[/p][/quote]NC changed. When Markus was alive, NC was reporting to someone who was older, wiser, successful, experienced and someone he deeply respected and he looked up to as a father figure. He would not dare let him down or take unnecessary risk. However, when Katherina became his boss, he was reporting to someone was younger, had not built her own empire, was of a different gender and was probably someone he considered more as his niece. I think he could not stand the thought of taking orders from her and he startied taking gung-ho decisions with the Liebherr money and making unrealistical promises (that some people seem to be confusing with ambition). I think his departure was inevitable and he knew it. And he wanted to take her and the club down with him. Churchill Saint
  • Score: -1

7:03pm Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

warrens 76 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
milton road wrote:
It is not surprising that KL wanted more financial control of the club, I think that is a modest response to a project that went 100% over value, design changes etc or not.
For those that seem to worry about where and how the 30 million will be paid, it would of been paid monthly as the work continued which is normal practice in construction. Therefore the vast majority of it has been paid. There will be a retention normally 15% that will be paid after a certain period.
Amongst all the hype as the media have looked to dismantle the club since Christmas. There was one paper that gave a very realistic view of the situation of Cortese's departure. That he could of named his own salary to stay. Yet the rift was over the fact KL was for slowing down the amount of money spent generally, not stopping it, but there are other projects like ground expansion to be considered etc and that she wanted to clear some of the outstanding money first such as owed transfer monies and the remaining payments on the training facility. Whilst the 30 mil transfer kitty was likely to be available the 80-100 million that would of been required to take Saints the extra step up would not be available without selling players. They also said that KL had no intention of selling the club now or in the near future. That she had refused several bids including one that was believed to be backing Cortese.
That to me has always seemed the most likely article to be the truth. Cortese wanted to really go for it and KL no less so but on careful and studied plan.
Cortese was massive for this club and it was a blow to lose him. Its two people with the same plan but each seeing a different path on how to do it. Many of us will remember a Leeds that just spent money like no tomorrow won the league got in the CL and got knocked out and the club fell to financial pieces. It was all too fast.
The thing to take into consideration is KL could of walked away and made a heap of money and she hasn't. Okay we can turn on the board and Les Reed said no player would leave this club unless it was right for the club. He has not lied, at the end of the day if a player really wants to go all you can do is get the right price and he has probably got the best price possible and stuck to it until it was achieved, he seems to be doing the same with Lovren, there is not much else he can do.
In real truth and cutting through everything maybe Markus and KL should of had more say from the start, then if Cortese went it would not of created the upheaval it did. Where has Lovren been he talks about new owners...um no,....they are the same just Cortese went. Same as Poch talking about Cortese brought him to the club....um no.....KL's money did.
I will be honest i always think Shaw was going to go after a season and he signed professional forms for Saints so that when he did they would get a good deal for him.
Adam is near on 27 and probably thought this might be his only chance of CL, probably not expecting the season to kick off for him as it did.
Lovren saw us as a stepping stone same as Poch.
Morgan is more structured about things he could of gone ages ago there has been enough offers for him even back when we were heading into admin and he stuck with us. He may go now.
Yet its more about us doing well and people wanting our manager and players at the very peak of football. I doubt even Cortese could stop that.
I am no less disappointed than anyone else but w can come out of this better and more experienced. let us hope that is the way forward.
All the talk of financial common sense is commendable and to the more accountancy minded as opposed to opportunity minded it makes sense, there is however a huge and unusual factor not normally if ever afforded a club outside of the top 5….

Firstly is this, KL is already sat on a huge profit from fathers investment in SFC, Nicola Cortese's alleged spendthrift ways aside…and I mean huge, few if any business's especially not football reap a potential £200-250 million return for an initial £13 million outlay….

Secondly, no existing non top 5 club has ever been so near to a breakthrough (50 million) into the elite for a) such little money (in relative terms) and b) in light of the pre existing value with zero actual risk..

The Swiss method of doing things has waved it's dead hand over our 'attainable' and affordable dream…I know what they are like, vision, panache, losing a single franc are all alien concepts..even the Ferrari's are grey as are most of the people…

The Father knew what he was doing with Saints as did Cortese, KL is being advised on a safety first policy which 99% of the time would be wise, however she has surrendered a prize beyond anything anyone could have dreamed and surrendered it to conserve a massive profit, there was no risk to the real value she has already benefitted from…worse case £250 million becomes £200 million…

..that ladies and gentleman is why so many of us are upset George Chivers take note…as an aside I am or at least was a pretty serious businessman and KL had the chance of turning our provincial club into a global brand..that happens once in a lifetime if you are very lucky AND spot it..
I take your points, but I think your £50 million figure is way under to assemble a squad of 24 players on top wages. Call it £150 million and even then that may not be enough. And that is without anybody transferring out. Look at the investment Man City have made and continue to make and are sponsored, albeit falsely in opinion, to the tune of £400 M. The risk for Saints is disproportionate to the investment. And please tell me since the inception of the PL how many clubs with a average home gates of circa 30,000 have played CL football on a regular basis?

As businessman you will know its not just how much money can be made that has to be considered, its how much money can be lost and is the investor willing to lose it? Which I think takes us back to your description of Swiss business people and why I think we can never be a regular top 4 club. Sadly.
fair point…tight as aducks 4rse does not come near..
Fair enough, never going to be top four, does that mean you want us to throw in the towel, or concentrate on a decent position in the Premier?
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: It is not surprising that KL wanted more financial control of the club, I think that is a modest response to a project that went 100% over value, design changes etc or not. For those that seem to worry about where and how the 30 million will be paid, it would of been paid monthly as the work continued which is normal practice in construction. Therefore the vast majority of it has been paid. There will be a retention normally 15% that will be paid after a certain period. Amongst all the hype as the media have looked to dismantle the club since Christmas. There was one paper that gave a very realistic view of the situation of Cortese's departure. That he could of named his own salary to stay. Yet the rift was over the fact KL was for slowing down the amount of money spent generally, not stopping it, but there are other projects like ground expansion to be considered etc and that she wanted to clear some of the outstanding money first such as owed transfer monies and the remaining payments on the training facility. Whilst the 30 mil transfer kitty was likely to be available the 80-100 million that would of been required to take Saints the extra step up would not be available without selling players. They also said that KL had no intention of selling the club now or in the near future. That she had refused several bids including one that was believed to be backing Cortese. That to me has always seemed the most likely article to be the truth. Cortese wanted to really go for it and KL no less so but on careful and studied plan. Cortese was massive for this club and it was a blow to lose him. Its two people with the same plan but each seeing a different path on how to do it. Many of us will remember a Leeds that just spent money like no tomorrow won the league got in the CL and got knocked out and the club fell to financial pieces. It was all too fast. The thing to take into consideration is KL could of walked away and made a heap of money and she hasn't. Okay we can turn on the board and Les Reed said no player would leave this club unless it was right for the club. He has not lied, at the end of the day if a player really wants to go all you can do is get the right price and he has probably got the best price possible and stuck to it until it was achieved, he seems to be doing the same with Lovren, there is not much else he can do. In real truth and cutting through everything maybe Markus and KL should of had more say from the start, then if Cortese went it would not of created the upheaval it did. Where has Lovren been he talks about new owners...um no,....they are the same just Cortese went. Same as Poch talking about Cortese brought him to the club....um no.....KL's money did. I will be honest i always think Shaw was going to go after a season and he signed professional forms for Saints so that when he did they would get a good deal for him. Adam is near on 27 and probably thought this might be his only chance of CL, probably not expecting the season to kick off for him as it did. Lovren saw us as a stepping stone same as Poch. Morgan is more structured about things he could of gone ages ago there has been enough offers for him even back when we were heading into admin and he stuck with us. He may go now. Yet its more about us doing well and people wanting our manager and players at the very peak of football. I doubt even Cortese could stop that. I am no less disappointed than anyone else but w can come out of this better and more experienced. let us hope that is the way forward.[/p][/quote]All the talk of financial common sense is commendable and to the more accountancy minded as opposed to opportunity minded it makes sense, there is however a huge and unusual factor not normally if ever afforded a club outside of the top 5…. Firstly is this, KL is already sat on a huge profit from fathers investment in SFC, Nicola Cortese's alleged spendthrift ways aside…and I mean huge, few if any business's especially not football reap a potential £200-250 million return for an initial £13 million outlay…. Secondly, no existing non top 5 club has ever been so near to a breakthrough (50 million) into the elite for a) such little money (in relative terms) and b) in light of the pre existing value with zero actual risk.. The Swiss method of doing things has waved it's dead hand over our 'attainable' and affordable dream…I know what they are like, vision, panache, losing a single franc are all alien concepts..even the Ferrari's are grey as are most of the people… The Father knew what he was doing with Saints as did Cortese, KL is being advised on a safety first policy which 99% of the time would be wise, however she has surrendered a prize beyond anything anyone could have dreamed and surrendered it to conserve a massive profit, there was no risk to the real value she has already benefitted from…worse case £250 million becomes £200 million… ..that ladies and gentleman is why so many of us are upset George Chivers take note…as an aside I am or at least was a pretty serious businessman and KL had the chance of turning our provincial club into a global brand..that happens once in a lifetime if you are very lucky AND spot it..[/p][/quote]I take your points, but I think your £50 million figure is way under to assemble a squad of 24 players on top wages. Call it £150 million and even then that may not be enough. And that is without anybody transferring out. Look at the investment Man City have made and continue to make and are sponsored, albeit falsely in opinion, to the tune of £400 M. The risk for Saints is disproportionate to the investment. And please tell me since the inception of the PL how many clubs with a average home gates of circa 30,000 have played CL football on a regular basis? As businessman you will know its not just how much money can be made that has to be considered, its how much money can be lost and is the investor willing to lose it? Which I think takes us back to your description of Swiss business people and why I think we can never be a regular top 4 club. Sadly.[/p][/quote]fair point…tight as aducks 4rse does not come near..[/p][/quote]Fair enough, never going to be top four, does that mean you want us to throw in the towel, or concentrate on a decent position in the Premier? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

7:10pm Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saintade wrote:
Mattyboysaints wrote:
I'm really excited and can't wait until the new season and here's why:-

1) Looking forward to seeing those turn coats fail at their new destinations, end of the day we finished 8th last term and their new teams will be expecting more.
2) counting down the days until Spurs sack POSH, we all know it will happen, the only question is which side of Xmas it will be.
3) Can't wait to watch the start of Super Ron's journey with the Saints and watch him build a side and see some new signing don the new red and white strips.
4) Looking forward to Ron & Louie have a bust up and the two teams competing for that last CPL place.
5) Looking forward to Ricci jogging over to the away Saints fans on the opening day and giving us all a clap, that you just know he means. AL can go F£&@ himself.
6) Looking forward to the Koeman brothers getting us play the Dutch way :-)
7) Looking forward to either a £25 million cheque for DL or watching him rot in the reserves.
8) Can't wait to buy my boy his third Saints shirt and the first time he will be wearing the true colours.
9) looking forward to Jay getting fit and returning to first team action.

What I'm trying to say Saints fans is that this is an amazing ride we are on and focus on the positives, cos there are loads and never a better time to be a SAINTS fan. COYS.
Er, can't quite see ANY positives so far mate....no players in, owe £20m in back transfer payments and £30m overspent on the training ground facilities, there's the £50m gone right there...rumour that we will have to rely on youngsters next season - I can't get excited at all I'm afraid.
Be afraid, if you keep posting this negative guff I will come back and haunt you.
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mattyboysaints[/bold] wrote: I'm really excited and can't wait until the new season and here's why:- 1) Looking forward to seeing those turn coats fail at their new destinations, end of the day we finished 8th last term and their new teams will be expecting more. 2) counting down the days until Spurs sack POSH, we all know it will happen, the only question is which side of Xmas it will be. 3) Can't wait to watch the start of Super Ron's journey with the Saints and watch him build a side and see some new signing don the new red and white strips. 4) Looking forward to Ron & Louie have a bust up and the two teams competing for that last CPL place. 5) Looking forward to Ricci jogging over to the away Saints fans on the opening day and giving us all a clap, that you just know he means. AL can go F£&@ himself. 6) Looking forward to the Koeman brothers getting us play the Dutch way :-) 7) Looking forward to either a £25 million cheque for DL or watching him rot in the reserves. 8) Can't wait to buy my boy his third Saints shirt and the first time he will be wearing the true colours. 9) looking forward to Jay getting fit and returning to first team action. What I'm trying to say Saints fans is that this is an amazing ride we are on and focus on the positives, cos there are loads and never a better time to be a SAINTS fan. COYS.[/p][/quote]Er, can't quite see ANY positives so far mate....no players in, owe £20m in back transfer payments and £30m overspent on the training ground facilities, there's the £50m gone right there...rumour that we will have to rely on youngsters next season - I can't get excited at all I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]Be afraid, if you keep posting this negative guff I will come back and haunt you. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

7:14pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Costa Baz says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: Out of interest, if Cortese was so bloody useless why did Markus insist he ran the club otherwise he wouldn't buy it? Just asking like... Also he trusted him with investing his money prior to buying the Saints, and I believe he had a bob or two.
seed I for one have never called NC useless, he did wonders for our club and it was his and st Markus's original `vision` that got us back to the prem, remember that one? to get to the prem and stay there in 5yrs. that was the `vision` the club had and the one we all brought into and were delighted it was achieved faster than expected. NC was the driving force of that `vision` but I think once that was sorted he went a bit too far. promising champs league footy to players with a team, that as you pointed out cost very little to put together and many of which came up with the team from L1. I notice in that team you put up earlier that you missed out our three top signings that cost nearly £40mill between them. liellana wasn't `free` either, yes in the grand scheme of things he didn't cost a lot £12k plus add ons for prem league appearance, england call ups etc. then you have to add the £6mill we now have to give allmouth. the rest of the team that came from he academy were also not `free` as there is a big cost to run the academy and that has to come from somewhere! we would all love to see saints in the champs league but even with the players we brought in we are still a long way away from the top 4. NC might have wanted us to be in the champs league but in trying to get there he was spending more and more money and starting to spend way too much. I believe the board when they say they still want European football but I think they want to do it in a sustainable manner. how would we feel if we got to the prem by spending big but dropped down again with huge debts? I understand your frustrations seed but I really don't get this love affair with NC. as I said I thank him for getting us to where we are but think he was trying to run before he could walk in respect to Europe. people saying that ralph is significant by his absence might consider that he may be doing a lot of work in the background. he will probably be trying to find out (like we all are) if this disgusting statement from dejan is true and talking to lots of different parties to see where we stand legally etc. there is no point coming out with a rash statement condemning the player, fining him etc etc if these aren't his word, it looks as if they are though. once the club has the truth I expect a statement either way. we never herd from NC whilst he was in charge, and have heard a lot more from board members since hes gone, so the club are being more `open` as I said though they have to be careful what they say on these subjects, so let them get on with sorting it out and we will find out the truth as soon as they can let us know.
Sorry got side tracked by work before I gave a full answer to you. I didn't mention the three expensive signings because I didn't see them as part of the main team that got us to eighth which is what my point was. Osvaldo doesn't even play for us and Gaston was a bit part player. Victor does his role well but is a bit limited in other areas. I'd sooner have Jack who nicks the ball off others and has better distribution and all round play than Victor. I've recently read on a couple of sites that we only pay Morgan £9k a week. If that's true it's a bit crap for a player of his ability. I know we can't pay the £100k a week stuff but we're not going to keep players like him by doing that, I'd have expected about £25k. We have a massive war chest but will Ron struggle to get good players in if we can't offer better personal terms? The first couple of signings will get the positive vibes going again and we can start to look forward to the season. I hear people saying that KL is in it for the long term and wants to do things in a different way, perhaps at a slower pace, that's brilliant as far as I'm concerned - if true.
I've also seen the rumours about Morgan "only" being on 9k per week.
Not sure I believe them, but if true he was well and truly screwed over by Cortese.

Might help explain why he is taking a more mature approach to his future, and not immediately spouting off about lack of ambition, as he may now get the wage his quality deserves.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Out of interest, if Cortese was so bloody useless why did Markus insist he ran the club otherwise he wouldn't buy it? Just asking like... Also he trusted him with investing his money prior to buying the Saints, and I believe he had a bob or two.[/p][/quote]seed I for one have never called NC useless, he did wonders for our club and it was his and st Markus's original `vision` that got us back to the prem, remember that one? to get to the prem and stay there in 5yrs. that was the `vision` the club had and the one we all brought into and were delighted it was achieved faster than expected. NC was the driving force of that `vision` but I think once that was sorted he went a bit too far. promising champs league footy to players with a team, that as you pointed out cost very little to put together and many of which came up with the team from L1. I notice in that team you put up earlier that you missed out our three top signings that cost nearly £40mill between them. liellana wasn't `free` either, yes in the grand scheme of things he didn't cost a lot £12k plus add ons for prem league appearance, england call ups etc. then you have to add the £6mill we now have to give allmouth. the rest of the team that came from he academy were also not `free` as there is a big cost to run the academy and that has to come from somewhere! we would all love to see saints in the champs league but even with the players we brought in we are still a long way away from the top 4. NC might have wanted us to be in the champs league but in trying to get there he was spending more and more money and starting to spend way too much. I believe the board when they say they still want European football but I think they want to do it in a sustainable manner. how would we feel if we got to the prem by spending big but dropped down again with huge debts? I understand your frustrations seed but I really don't get this love affair with NC. as I said I thank him for getting us to where we are but think he was trying to run before he could walk in respect to Europe. people saying that ralph is significant by his absence might consider that he may be doing a lot of work in the background. he will probably be trying to find out (like we all are) if this disgusting statement from dejan is true and talking to lots of different parties to see where we stand legally etc. there is no point coming out with a rash statement condemning the player, fining him etc etc if these aren't his word, it looks as if they are though. once the club has the truth I expect a statement either way. we never herd from NC whilst he was in charge, and have heard a lot more from board members since hes gone, so the club are being more `open` as I said though they have to be careful what they say on these subjects, so let them get on with sorting it out and we will find out the truth as soon as they can let us know.[/p][/quote]Sorry got side tracked by work before I gave a full answer to you. I didn't mention the three expensive signings because I didn't see them as part of the main team that got us to eighth which is what my point was. Osvaldo doesn't even play for us and Gaston was a bit part player. Victor does his role well but is a bit limited in other areas. I'd sooner have Jack who nicks the ball off others and has better distribution and all round play than Victor. I've recently read on a couple of sites that we only pay Morgan £9k a week. If that's true it's a bit crap for a player of his ability. I know we can't pay the £100k a week stuff but we're not going to keep players like him by doing that, I'd have expected about £25k. We have a massive war chest but will Ron struggle to get good players in if we can't offer better personal terms? The first couple of signings will get the positive vibes going again and we can start to look forward to the season. I hear people saying that KL is in it for the long term and wants to do things in a different way, perhaps at a slower pace, that's brilliant as far as I'm concerned - if true.[/p][/quote]I've also seen the rumours about Morgan "only" being on 9k per week. Not sure I believe them, but if true he was well and truly screwed over by Cortese. Might help explain why he is taking a more mature approach to his future, and not immediately spouting off about lack of ambition, as he may now get the wage his quality deserves. Costa Baz
  • Score: 4

7:21pm Mon 7 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Out of interest, if Cortese was so bloody useless why did Markus insist he ran the club otherwise he wouldn't buy it? Just asking like...

Also he trusted him with investing his money prior to buying the Saints, and I believe he had a bob or two.
I think you misunderstand Cortese's role and expertise.... For instance, if he was the hot shot some claim , he could have earn't far far more in international investment banking. The reason he took the Saints gig was because ( in my opinion ) it was an easy ride and great opportunity for him to learn a new trade. He got some things right, but lacked the interpersonal skills needed to develop in the role he was apprentice to. He was more of a financial odd-job man for ML , not a financial wizard. The Saints proposition was a total no-brainer for anyone with enough money and patience and the first 5 years went to plan. But MPs appointment was for me the spot-light on NCs weakness.... and he became a weight around our necks as I predicted after speaking to countless catalans at the end of last year. If NC had any real ideas of this glory trail then our next stadium would already be being built in Hedge End.....
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Out of interest, if Cortese was so bloody useless why did Markus insist he ran the club otherwise he wouldn't buy it? Just asking like... Also he trusted him with investing his money prior to buying the Saints, and I believe he had a bob or two.[/p][/quote]I think you misunderstand Cortese's role and expertise.... For instance, if he was the hot shot some claim , he could have earn't far far more in international investment banking. The reason he took the Saints gig was because ( in my opinion ) it was an easy ride and great opportunity for him to learn a new trade. He got some things right, but lacked the interpersonal skills needed to develop in the role he was apprentice to. He was more of a financial odd-job man for ML , not a financial wizard. The Saints proposition was a total no-brainer for anyone with enough money and patience and the first 5 years went to plan. But MPs appointment was for me the spot-light on NCs weakness.... and he became a weight around our necks as I predicted after speaking to countless catalans at the end of last year. If NC had any real ideas of this glory trail then our next stadium would already be being built in Hedge End..... steekeemcglue
  • Score: -3

7:22pm Mon 7 Jul 14

george chivers says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
milton road wrote:
It is not surprising that KL wanted more financial control of the club, I think that is a modest response to a project that went 100% over value, design changes etc or not.
For those that seem to worry about where and how the 30 million will be paid, it would of been paid monthly as the work continued which is normal practice in construction. Therefore the vast majority of it has been paid. There will be a retention normally 15% that will be paid after a certain period.
Amongst all the hype as the media have looked to dismantle the club since Christmas. There was one paper that gave a very realistic view of the situation of Cortese's departure. That he could of named his own salary to stay. Yet the rift was over the fact KL was for slowing down the amount of money spent generally, not stopping it, but there are other projects like ground expansion to be considered etc and that she wanted to clear some of the outstanding money first such as owed transfer monies and the remaining payments on the training facility. Whilst the 30 mil transfer kitty was likely to be available the 80-100 million that would of been required to take Saints the extra step up would not be available without selling players. They also said that KL had no intention of selling the club now or in the near future. That she had refused several bids including one that was believed to be backing Cortese.
That to me has always seemed the most likely article to be the truth. Cortese wanted to really go for it and KL no less so but on careful and studied plan.
Cortese was massive for this club and it was a blow to lose him. Its two people with the same plan but each seeing a different path on how to do it. Many of us will remember a Leeds that just spent money like no tomorrow won the league got in the CL and got knocked out and the club fell to financial pieces. It was all too fast.
The thing to take into consideration is KL could of walked away and made a heap of money and she hasn't. Okay we can turn on the board and Les Reed said no player would leave this club unless it was right for the club. He has not lied, at the end of the day if a player really wants to go all you can do is get the right price and he has probably got the best price possible and stuck to it until it was achieved, he seems to be doing the same with Lovren, there is not much else he can do.
In real truth and cutting through everything maybe Markus and KL should of had more say from the start, then if Cortese went it would not of created the upheaval it did. Where has Lovren been he talks about new owners...um no,....they are the same just Cortese went. Same as Poch talking about Cortese brought him to the club....um no.....KL's money did.
I will be honest i always think Shaw was going to go after a season and he signed professional forms for Saints so that when he did they would get a good deal for him.
Adam is near on 27 and probably thought this might be his only chance of CL, probably not expecting the season to kick off for him as it did.
Lovren saw us as a stepping stone same as Poch.
Morgan is more structured about things he could of gone ages ago there has been enough offers for him even back when we were heading into admin and he stuck with us. He may go now.
Yet its more about us doing well and people wanting our manager and players at the very peak of football. I doubt even Cortese could stop that.
I am no less disappointed than anyone else but w can come out of this better and more experienced. let us hope that is the way forward.
All the talk of financial common sense is commendable and to the more accountancy minded as opposed to opportunity minded it makes sense, there is however a huge and unusual factor not normally if ever afforded a club outside of the top 5….

Firstly is this, KL is already sat on a huge profit from fathers investment in SFC, Nicola Cortese's alleged spendthrift ways aside…and I mean huge, few if any business's especially not football reap a potential £200-250 million return for an initial £13 million outlay….

Secondly, no existing non top 5 club has ever been so near to a breakthrough (50 million) into the elite for a) such little money (in relative terms) and b) in light of the pre existing value with zero actual risk..

The Swiss method of doing things has waved it's dead hand over our 'attainable' and affordable dream…I know what they are like, vision, panache, losing a single franc are all alien concepts..even the Ferrari's are grey as are most of the people…

The Father knew what he was doing with Saints as did Cortese, KL is being advised on a safety first policy which 99% of the time would be wise, however she has surrendered a prize beyond anything anyone could have dreamed and surrendered it to conserve a massive profit, there was no risk to the real value she has already benefitted from…worse case £250 million becomes £200 million…

..that ladies and gentleman is why so many of us are upset George Chivers take note…as an aside I am or at least was a pretty serious businessman and KL had the chance of turning our provincial club into a global brand..that happens once in a lifetime if you are very lucky AND spot it..
I take your points, but I think your £50 million figure is way under to assemble a squad of 24 players on top wages. Call it £150 million and even then that may not be enough. And that is without anybody transferring out. Look at the investment Man City have made and continue to make and are sponsored, albeit falsely in opinion, to the tune of £400 M. The risk for Saints is disproportionate to the investment. And please tell me since the inception of the PL how many clubs with a average home gates of circa 30,000 have played CL football on a regular basis?

As businessman you will know its not just how much money can be made that has to be considered, its how much money can be lost and is the investor willing to lose it? Which I think takes us back to your description of Swiss business people and why I think we can never be a regular top 4 club. Sadly.
fair point…tight as aducks 4rse does not come near..
Fair enough, never going to be top four, does that mean you want us to throw in the towel, or concentrate on a decent position in the Premier?
Stay in the PL in the highest position we can.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: It is not surprising that KL wanted more financial control of the club, I think that is a modest response to a project that went 100% over value, design changes etc or not. For those that seem to worry about where and how the 30 million will be paid, it would of been paid monthly as the work continued which is normal practice in construction. Therefore the vast majority of it has been paid. There will be a retention normally 15% that will be paid after a certain period. Amongst all the hype as the media have looked to dismantle the club since Christmas. There was one paper that gave a very realistic view of the situation of Cortese's departure. That he could of named his own salary to stay. Yet the rift was over the fact KL was for slowing down the amount of money spent generally, not stopping it, but there are other projects like ground expansion to be considered etc and that she wanted to clear some of the outstanding money first such as owed transfer monies and the remaining payments on the training facility. Whilst the 30 mil transfer kitty was likely to be available the 80-100 million that would of been required to take Saints the extra step up would not be available without selling players. They also said that KL had no intention of selling the club now or in the near future. That she had refused several bids including one that was believed to be backing Cortese. That to me has always seemed the most likely article to be the truth. Cortese wanted to really go for it and KL no less so but on careful and studied plan. Cortese was massive for this club and it was a blow to lose him. Its two people with the same plan but each seeing a different path on how to do it. Many of us will remember a Leeds that just spent money like no tomorrow won the league got in the CL and got knocked out and the club fell to financial pieces. It was all too fast. The thing to take into consideration is KL could of walked away and made a heap of money and she hasn't. Okay we can turn on the board and Les Reed said no player would leave this club unless it was right for the club. He has not lied, at the end of the day if a player really wants to go all you can do is get the right price and he has probably got the best price possible and stuck to it until it was achieved, he seems to be doing the same with Lovren, there is not much else he can do. In real truth and cutting through everything maybe Markus and KL should of had more say from the start, then if Cortese went it would not of created the upheaval it did. Where has Lovren been he talks about new owners...um no,....they are the same just Cortese went. Same as Poch talking about Cortese brought him to the club....um no.....KL's money did. I will be honest i always think Shaw was going to go after a season and he signed professional forms for Saints so that when he did they would get a good deal for him. Adam is near on 27 and probably thought this might be his only chance of CL, probably not expecting the season to kick off for him as it did. Lovren saw us as a stepping stone same as Poch. Morgan is more structured about things he could of gone ages ago there has been enough offers for him even back when we were heading into admin and he stuck with us. He may go now. Yet its more about us doing well and people wanting our manager and players at the very peak of football. I doubt even Cortese could stop that. I am no less disappointed than anyone else but w can come out of this better and more experienced. let us hope that is the way forward.[/p][/quote]All the talk of financial common sense is commendable and to the more accountancy minded as opposed to opportunity minded it makes sense, there is however a huge and unusual factor not normally if ever afforded a club outside of the top 5…. Firstly is this, KL is already sat on a huge profit from fathers investment in SFC, Nicola Cortese's alleged spendthrift ways aside…and I mean huge, few if any business's especially not football reap a potential £200-250 million return for an initial £13 million outlay…. Secondly, no existing non top 5 club has ever been so near to a breakthrough (50 million) into the elite for a) such little money (in relative terms) and b) in light of the pre existing value with zero actual risk.. The Swiss method of doing things has waved it's dead hand over our 'attainable' and affordable dream…I know what they are like, vision, panache, losing a single franc are all alien concepts..even the Ferrari's are grey as are most of the people… The Father knew what he was doing with Saints as did Cortese, KL is being advised on a safety first policy which 99% of the time would be wise, however she has surrendered a prize beyond anything anyone could have dreamed and surrendered it to conserve a massive profit, there was no risk to the real value she has already benefitted from…worse case £250 million becomes £200 million… ..that ladies and gentleman is why so many of us are upset George Chivers take note…as an aside I am or at least was a pretty serious businessman and KL had the chance of turning our provincial club into a global brand..that happens once in a lifetime if you are very lucky AND spot it..[/p][/quote]I take your points, but I think your £50 million figure is way under to assemble a squad of 24 players on top wages. Call it £150 million and even then that may not be enough. And that is without anybody transferring out. Look at the investment Man City have made and continue to make and are sponsored, albeit falsely in opinion, to the tune of £400 M. The risk for Saints is disproportionate to the investment. And please tell me since the inception of the PL how many clubs with a average home gates of circa 30,000 have played CL football on a regular basis? As businessman you will know its not just how much money can be made that has to be considered, its how much money can be lost and is the investor willing to lose it? Which I think takes us back to your description of Swiss business people and why I think we can never be a regular top 4 club. Sadly.[/p][/quote]fair point…tight as aducks 4rse does not come near..[/p][/quote]Fair enough, never going to be top four, does that mean you want us to throw in the towel, or concentrate on a decent position in the Premier?[/p][/quote]Stay in the PL in the highest position we can. george chivers
  • Score: -4

7:36pm Mon 7 Jul 14

NC Fan4Life says...

jasons odd wrote:
There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ...

Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans

I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .
I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m.

There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now.

There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this.
Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m.

This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo.

That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need.

If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season.

COYR&WS

The art
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ... Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .[/p][/quote]I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m. There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now. There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this. Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m. This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo. That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need. If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season. COYR&WS The art NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 2

7:56pm Mon 7 Jul 14

up saints says...

lambert llalana shaw and i don't think lovern will put a southampton shirt on again.we need to get big players in soon or more will follow.
lambert llalana shaw and i don't think lovern will put a southampton shirt on again.we need to get big players in soon or more will follow. up saints
  • Score: 0

8:00pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ...

Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans

I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .
I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m.

There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now.

There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this.
Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m.

This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo.

That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need.

If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season.

COYR&WS

The art
I'm glad neither of you are my accountant, there are some serious flaws in your figures, not least in the realisation that the debt is being managed not simply cleared ahead of any spending. I could go on but life's too short.

You're right about the £100m, though. I think this figure is one of many myths being propagated through the media right now that we need to be careful about. I wonder if, in a couple of months, the media will come back and tell us it was a 'mis-truth' spouted by the club.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ... Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .[/p][/quote]I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m. There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now. There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this. Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m. This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo. That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need. If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season. COYR&WS The art[/p][/quote]I'm glad neither of you are my accountant, there are some serious flaws in your figures, not least in the realisation that the debt is being managed not simply cleared ahead of any spending. I could go on but life's too short. You're right about the £100m, though. I think this figure is one of many myths being propagated through the media right now that we need to be careful about. I wonder if, in a couple of months, the media will come back and tell us it was a 'mis-truth' spouted by the club. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 0

8:04pm Mon 7 Jul 14

hopkins-SFC says...

I believe this sums things up pretty well, an apology to mark clattenburg:

https://www.facebook
.com/Saintsfanapolog
y
I believe this sums things up pretty well, an apology to mark clattenburg: https://www.facebook .com/Saintsfanapolog y hopkins-SFC
  • Score: 0

8:08pm Mon 7 Jul 14

montecristosaint says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ...

Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans

I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .
I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m.

There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now.

There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this.
Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m.

This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo.

That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need.

If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season.

COYR&WS

The art
love the figures speculative at best would remind you that Reed has said that money from sales would be all re invested are you suggesting he has lied to us once again?
I worry that Saints are being extremely lethargic in the transfer market , or is it that players dont see us as a good bet any more now that our best players appear to be leaving. I m sorry but I have little faith in Krueger or Reed all I see is lack of positive results and only negative events. Just not good enough.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ... Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .[/p][/quote]I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m. There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now. There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this. Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m. This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo. That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need. If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season. COYR&WS The art[/p][/quote]love the figures speculative at best would remind you that Reed has said that money from sales would be all re invested are you suggesting he has lied to us once again? I worry that Saints are being extremely lethargic in the transfer market , or is it that players dont see us as a good bet any more now that our best players appear to be leaving. I m sorry but I have little faith in Krueger or Reed all I see is lack of positive results and only negative events. Just not good enough. montecristosaint
  • Score: -2

8:12pm Mon 7 Jul 14

milton road says...

As I said in my piece Cortese did a fantastic job for us, my point was more about that fact that when he left the bond was broken because he had so much control everyone was bonded to him. The owner seems to have been a relative stranger so much so, in his statement Lovren talks about new owners. The whole continuity collapsed and there was no one it seems the manager and some players either knew well enough or had faith in.

It would of taken over 100 million plus to put a CL side together because of the squad depth needed.

KL offered Cortese the chance to name his own fee.
Remember Les Reed was Cortese's choice to bring in.
Markus has been gone 4 years, in that time KL has backed Cortese financially.

A quality manager has been brought in, he has been given the money that is from sold players along with a transfer chest. Whether her choice of board is right remains to be seen and agreed Kruger has made a couple of very unfortunate statements. Its not like she has taken the money out of the club which she could of, she has re invested it in the hands of the man she brought in as manager, not Kruger or anyone else.

Yes we all know she has a massive return for her father's outlay, it would have been easy to walk away and sell but she hasn't.

Very few people wanted Cortese to go including KL, but some people are looking at her as an ogre, when she is anything but.

We can't change what happened yesterday we do have substantial money to effect the future in a positive way.

I just think as soon as CL clubs were prepared to wave big wages in front of players noses Cortese or no Cortese we were going to lose some at this stage. When Lallana and Lovren talk of stepping out at Anfield and it being the club they wanted to play for Cortese was still at the helm. So it was the way their minds were thinking then. Last season was the first season when our players were really noted on the big stage and some just could not wait to cash in on it.

The important thing is now to stabilise and go forward.
As I said in my piece Cortese did a fantastic job for us, my point was more about that fact that when he left the bond was broken because he had so much control everyone was bonded to him. The owner seems to have been a relative stranger so much so, in his statement Lovren talks about new owners. The whole continuity collapsed and there was no one it seems the manager and some players either knew well enough or had faith in. It would of taken over 100 million plus to put a CL side together because of the squad depth needed. KL offered Cortese the chance to name his own fee. Remember Les Reed was Cortese's choice to bring in. Markus has been gone 4 years, in that time KL has backed Cortese financially. A quality manager has been brought in, he has been given the money that is from sold players along with a transfer chest. Whether her choice of board is right remains to be seen and agreed Kruger has made a couple of very unfortunate statements. Its not like she has taken the money out of the club which she could of, she has re invested it in the hands of the man she brought in as manager, not Kruger or anyone else. Yes we all know she has a massive return for her father's outlay, it would have been easy to walk away and sell but she hasn't. Very few people wanted Cortese to go including KL, but some people are looking at her as an ogre, when she is anything but. We can't change what happened yesterday we do have substantial money to effect the future in a positive way. I just think as soon as CL clubs were prepared to wave big wages in front of players noses Cortese or no Cortese we were going to lose some at this stage. When Lallana and Lovren talk of stepping out at Anfield and it being the club they wanted to play for Cortese was still at the helm. So it was the way their minds were thinking then. Last season was the first season when our players were really noted on the big stage and some just could not wait to cash in on it. The important thing is now to stabilise and go forward. milton road
  • Score: 7

8:12pm Mon 7 Jul 14

warrens 76 says...

Until the 80's most footballers with the odd exception never earned enough to quit working at the end of there careers, indeed many Bobby Moore for example were treated shockingly by their lifelong clubs..now we have gone through a 180 degree turn…

Average players have the riches of Crosseus,,,aa weeks wages for OUR top players rival a middle managers yearly pay check, a years wages equal the average sod's lifetime earnings, yet greed begats more greed… except…

…assuming you are reasonably grounded, having achieved all the money you could ever spend what would be your goal and aspirations as a footballer, trophy's, playing in magnificent stadiums etc…

I have always felt that Saints sold the southern public short, it does not embrace and never did the 'southerner' aspect as Pompey do withe their area, it does not reach out and create a Bilbao effect, before dominating global markets educating the kids to wear saints shirts not mufco and chelsea might not be a bad place to start.

We will never be a Mfco or chelski or the 4rse BUT we could be with a glorious stadium (remember last years rendering) and a loud and passionate and growing southern loyalty (it's called marketing Ralph) create something that well paid players may not 'want' to move on from. certainly Bilbao's do not, deportivo Corunia ditto..and to a lesser degree Atletico Madrid players love the club more than Real's…

Make a stadium players want to play in, make it intimidating and market it to capacity …that is our route…

and call it the COLISEUM not poxy st Marys..scary NOT.
Until the 80's most footballers with the odd exception never earned enough to quit working at the end of there careers, indeed many Bobby Moore for example were treated shockingly by their lifelong clubs..now we have gone through a 180 degree turn… Average players have the riches of Crosseus,,,aa weeks wages for OUR top players rival a middle managers yearly pay check, a years wages equal the average sod's lifetime earnings, yet greed begats more greed… except… …assuming you are reasonably grounded, having achieved all the money you could ever spend what would be your goal and aspirations as a footballer, trophy's, playing in magnificent stadiums etc… I have always felt that Saints sold the southern public short, it does not embrace and never did the 'southerner' aspect as Pompey do withe their area, it does not reach out and create a Bilbao effect, before dominating global markets educating the kids to wear saints shirts not mufco and chelsea might not be a bad place to start. We will never be a Mfco or chelski or the 4rse BUT we could be with a glorious stadium (remember last years rendering) and a loud and passionate and growing southern loyalty (it's called marketing Ralph) create something that well paid players may not 'want' to move on from. certainly Bilbao's do not, deportivo Corunia ditto..and to a lesser degree Atletico Madrid players love the club more than Real's… Make a stadium players want to play in, make it intimidating and market it to capacity …that is our route… and call it the COLISEUM not poxy st Marys..scary NOT. warrens 76
  • Score: -1

8:12pm Mon 7 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

JWP and his Girlfriend spotted Shopping at BANK - Whiteley yesterday.

GOTTA ADMIRE the Ambition of a Player that wants to get stuck in and play for SAINTS COYR+WS
JWP and his Girlfriend spotted Shopping at BANK - Whiteley yesterday. GOTTA ADMIRE the Ambition of a Player that wants to get stuck in and play for SAINTS COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 2

8:17pm Mon 7 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

Sammy2Sheds - are you the REGULAR that drinks in the CHAPEL before match days. COYR+WS
Sammy2Sheds - are you the REGULAR that drinks in the CHAPEL before match days. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 0

8:17pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Gormzzz says...

jls217 wrote:
Gormzzz wrote:
Goalkeepers.
Guillermo Ochoa (Free, amazing when he was younger, disappeared for a bit, but still amazing in the world cup and Ajaccio thought he was there best player, worth a go).

Maxym Koval (Dynamo Kiev, could become one of the best goalkeepers in the world, buyable).

Jasper Cillessen (Ajax, Not better than Boruc in my opinion but good competition, buyable).

Centre Backs.
Bruno-Martins Indi (Feynoord,Establishe


d in Hollands team, Going to Porto for less than £10 mill, we should get him, surely Koeman helps.

Shkodran Mustafi (Sampdoria, Future Germany CB, played at RB this world cup, lkely to be competition but huge future, not quite Hummels though, worth a go).

Virgil Van Dijk (Celtic, I believe will be Hollands best CB, is far more athletic than all of the others with a more rounded game, good replacement for Lovren, buyable).

Terrence Kongolo (Feyenoord, him and Indi have a higher ceiling than De Vrij when it comes to Feyenoord’s CB’s, buyable).

Eder Balanta (River Plate, Columbia’s future CB, buyable).

Left Back.
Ricardo Rodriguez (Wolfsburg, couldn't cost more than £13mill, buyable).

Jetro Willems (PSV, missed world cup through injury. Definite starter over Blind if fit, buyable).

Central Midfielders.
Jordy Classie (Feyenoord, Dutch Xavi, Koeman must mean he's buyable).

Right Wingers.

Richairo Zivkovic (Ajax, next big Dutch superstar. Higher cealing than Memphis Depay, not to expensive, buyable).

Juan Cuadrado (Fiorentina, if we're willing to spend £15mil on players and compete with a few bigger clubs, worth a go).

Wilfried Zaha (Bad season at United and Cardiff, but was a beast before and still is, just needed a chance, buyable).

Left wing.
Alvaro Vadillo (Betis, Relegeted with Betis, therefore buyable, Spain’s future left winger, buyable).

Attack Midfielders.
Kevin De Bruyne (Wolfsburg, worth a bid, may cost £20 mil though but will be one of the worlds best, buyable).

Bernard (Shaktar, same as De Bruyne, worth a go).

Patrick Roberts (Fulham, Will become England's best player, buyable.).

Strikers.
Enner Valencia (Pachuca, amazing at the world cup, can finish, is strong, unbelievable athletic, must buy in my opinion, buyable).

Leandro Damiao, (Santos, Flopped at Santos, wants to come to Europe, only £12 mill now, worth a go).

Romelu Lukaku (Chelsea want to sell, Manzukic to Athletico, worth a bid but close to £20mill).

Luis Muriel (Udinese, would cost £15 mill, future Columbia number 9, worth a go.

We should sell, All the deadwood players: Hoiiveld, Sharpe, Fox, Mayuka etc. As well as Osvaldo, Ramirez, Yoshida, Steven Davis.. Use that money to further strengthen the squad.

Take your pick from these players, 1GK, 3 CB’s, 1 CM, 1 AM, 1 RW, 1 LW, 2 STRIKERS.

Sell Lovren and Schbeiderlin if they both want to go and buy more replacements, if we brought players like these with our £80, £60, £100 mill whatever it is.

This is a much better team than last season if we could pull it off.

GK - Ochoa/Koval.
RB - Clyne/Chambers.
CB's - Indi and Van Dijk.
LB - Willems/Rodriguez.
CM - Classie and Wanyama (JWP too).
RW - Cuadrado/Zivkovic
LW - J Rod.
CAM - De Bruyne/Bernard (I'd buy Roberts and starts him like Shaw).
ST - Valenica/Lukaku/Dami


ao/Muriel (Gallagher 3rd choice).
Since when has Davis been considered Deadwood. Does Cork come into that category too?
Since he only got into the team for work rate. No technical ability what so ever! Nah Cork can do a good job. Unlike you lot I still think Saints can improve if the board wants us too, and the manager does the right things, ie. sell our non starters in order to buy players who actually improve the squad. Davis would never have got in the team if work rate wasn't the main factor. JWP, Ramirez, Cork, Schneiderlin, Lallana all technically better than him. Wanyama can't play to save his life but he's an absolute beast when it comes to physicality. I'm being ambitious like the club should be. lets see how much you like Davis when he plays in a losing side.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gormzzz[/bold] wrote: Goalkeepers. Guillermo Ochoa (Free, amazing when he was younger, disappeared for a bit, but still amazing in the world cup and Ajaccio thought he was there best player, worth a go). Maxym Koval (Dynamo Kiev, could become one of the best goalkeepers in the world, buyable). Jasper Cillessen (Ajax, Not better than Boruc in my opinion but good competition, buyable). Centre Backs. Bruno-Martins Indi (Feynoord,Establishe d in Hollands team, Going to Porto for less than £10 mill, we should get him, surely Koeman helps. Shkodran Mustafi (Sampdoria, Future Germany CB, played at RB this world cup, lkely to be competition but huge future, not quite Hummels though, worth a go). Virgil Van Dijk (Celtic, I believe will be Hollands best CB, is far more athletic than all of the others with a more rounded game, good replacement for Lovren, buyable). Terrence Kongolo (Feyenoord, him and Indi have a higher ceiling than De Vrij when it comes to Feyenoord’s CB’s, buyable). Eder Balanta (River Plate, Columbia’s future CB, buyable). Left Back. Ricardo Rodriguez (Wolfsburg, couldn't cost more than £13mill, buyable). Jetro Willems (PSV, missed world cup through injury. Definite starter over Blind if fit, buyable). Central Midfielders. Jordy Classie (Feyenoord, Dutch Xavi, Koeman must mean he's buyable). Right Wingers. Richairo Zivkovic (Ajax, next big Dutch superstar. Higher cealing than Memphis Depay, not to expensive, buyable). Juan Cuadrado (Fiorentina, if we're willing to spend £15mil on players and compete with a few bigger clubs, worth a go). Wilfried Zaha (Bad season at United and Cardiff, but was a beast before and still is, just needed a chance, buyable). Left wing. Alvaro Vadillo (Betis, Relegeted with Betis, therefore buyable, Spain’s future left winger, buyable). Attack Midfielders. Kevin De Bruyne (Wolfsburg, worth a bid, may cost £20 mil though but will be one of the worlds best, buyable). Bernard (Shaktar, same as De Bruyne, worth a go). Patrick Roberts (Fulham, Will become England's best player, buyable.). Strikers. Enner Valencia (Pachuca, amazing at the world cup, can finish, is strong, unbelievable athletic, must buy in my opinion, buyable). Leandro Damiao, (Santos, Flopped at Santos, wants to come to Europe, only £12 mill now, worth a go). Romelu Lukaku (Chelsea want to sell, Manzukic to Athletico, worth a bid but close to £20mill). Luis Muriel (Udinese, would cost £15 mill, future Columbia number 9, worth a go. We should sell, All the deadwood players: Hoiiveld, Sharpe, Fox, Mayuka etc. As well as Osvaldo, Ramirez, Yoshida, Steven Davis.. Use that money to further strengthen the squad. Take your pick from these players, 1GK, 3 CB’s, 1 CM, 1 AM, 1 RW, 1 LW, 2 STRIKERS. Sell Lovren and Schbeiderlin if they both want to go and buy more replacements, if we brought players like these with our £80, £60, £100 mill whatever it is. This is a much better team than last season if we could pull it off. GK - Ochoa/Koval. RB - Clyne/Chambers. CB's - Indi and Van Dijk. LB - Willems/Rodriguez. CM - Classie and Wanyama (JWP too). RW - Cuadrado/Zivkovic LW - J Rod. CAM - De Bruyne/Bernard (I'd buy Roberts and starts him like Shaw). ST - Valenica/Lukaku/Dami ao/Muriel (Gallagher 3rd choice).[/p][/quote]Since when has Davis been considered Deadwood. Does Cork come into that category too?[/p][/quote]Since he only got into the team for work rate. No technical ability what so ever! Nah Cork can do a good job. Unlike you lot I still think Saints can improve if the board wants us too, and the manager does the right things, ie. sell our non starters in order to buy players who actually improve the squad. Davis would never have got in the team if work rate wasn't the main factor. JWP, Ramirez, Cork, Schneiderlin, Lallana all technically better than him. Wanyama can't play to save his life but he's an absolute beast when it comes to physicality. I'm being ambitious like the club should be. lets see how much you like Davis when he plays in a losing side. Gormzzz
  • Score: -1

8:25pm Mon 7 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Until the 80's most footballers with the odd exception never earned enough to quit working at the end of there careers, indeed many Bobby Moore for example were treated shockingly by their lifelong clubs..now we have gone through a 180 degree turn…

Average players have the riches of Crosseus,,,aa weeks wages for OUR top players rival a middle managers yearly pay check, a years wages equal the average sod's lifetime earnings, yet greed begats more greed… except…

…assuming you are reasonably grounded, having achieved all the money you could ever spend what would be your goal and aspirations as a footballer, trophy's, playing in magnificent stadiums etc…

I have always felt that Saints sold the southern public short, it does not embrace and never did the 'southerner' aspect as Pompey do withe their area, it does not reach out and create a Bilbao effect, before dominating global markets educating the kids to wear saints shirts not mufco and chelsea might not be a bad place to start.

We will never be a Mfco or chelski or the 4rse BUT we could be with a glorious stadium (remember last years rendering) and a loud and passionate and growing southern loyalty (it's called marketing Ralph) create something that well paid players may not 'want' to move on from. certainly Bilbao's do not, deportivo Corunia ditto..and to a lesser degree Atletico Madrid players love the club more than Real's…

Make a stadium players want to play in, make it intimidating and market it to capacity …that is our route…

and call it the COLISEUM not poxy st Marys..scary NOT.
splendid assessment... MoPo would never buy into any of it though so we are well shot of him. Saints should look to build a community stadium in Hedge End that seats 55,000 and is multi-use ( not athletics but with a basketball court and other sports facilities ). I was at the Camp Nou recently and anyone who goes there may notice a thing or two about how you encourage a community stadium ethos. Saints need to develop into a brand that is indeed "bigger than the club" and Bilbao is a great analogy. Tintin is the perfect manager for this also.... All this must not be confused with trying to "keep" shallow and thick footballers who can not see past the pound signs .... there should be no need to act that way.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Until the 80's most footballers with the odd exception never earned enough to quit working at the end of there careers, indeed many Bobby Moore for example were treated shockingly by their lifelong clubs..now we have gone through a 180 degree turn… Average players have the riches of Crosseus,,,aa weeks wages for OUR top players rival a middle managers yearly pay check, a years wages equal the average sod's lifetime earnings, yet greed begats more greed… except… …assuming you are reasonably grounded, having achieved all the money you could ever spend what would be your goal and aspirations as a footballer, trophy's, playing in magnificent stadiums etc… I have always felt that Saints sold the southern public short, it does not embrace and never did the 'southerner' aspect as Pompey do withe their area, it does not reach out and create a Bilbao effect, before dominating global markets educating the kids to wear saints shirts not mufco and chelsea might not be a bad place to start. We will never be a Mfco or chelski or the 4rse BUT we could be with a glorious stadium (remember last years rendering) and a loud and passionate and growing southern loyalty (it's called marketing Ralph) create something that well paid players may not 'want' to move on from. certainly Bilbao's do not, deportivo Corunia ditto..and to a lesser degree Atletico Madrid players love the club more than Real's… Make a stadium players want to play in, make it intimidating and market it to capacity …that is our route… and call it the COLISEUM not poxy st Marys..scary NOT.[/p][/quote]splendid assessment... MoPo would never buy into any of it though so we are well shot of him. Saints should look to build a community stadium in Hedge End that seats 55,000 and is multi-use ( not athletics but with a basketball court and other sports facilities ). I was at the Camp Nou recently and anyone who goes there may notice a thing or two about how you encourage a community stadium ethos. Saints need to develop into a brand that is indeed "bigger than the club" and Bilbao is a great analogy. Tintin is the perfect manager for this also.... All this must not be confused with trying to "keep" shallow and thick footballers who can not see past the pound signs .... there should be no need to act that way. steekeemcglue
  • Score: 1

8:27pm Mon 7 Jul 14

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. says...

BOOTED OUT in SFC HALL OF SHAME - lala shaw and lambert.

Fans seem indifferent to shaw - angry at lala refusing to playfor SFC again and still like lambert although his move was the catalyst for lala and unsettllng lovren.

SAINTS FANS will decide themselves whether they applaud this type of behaviour at Liversh!te AWAY and the rest of Seasons games.

JUDAS (MP) will be in for STICK as there will be needle at the Spuds game.

4Get any rivalry with Wet Spam this Season - it suits them and NOT US - they are a lower league Premier League Club - END OF.

ADVANCE NOTICE - We all meet in the CENTRAL about 400 yards from the Ground to grab a few beers. There is a division between the Spam and us and bouncers on the doors.

When they chant - WHO ARE YER ? (yawn) at the Ground Home and Away.

We are SOUTHAMPTON - Number 1 in the South. COYR+WS
BOOTED OUT in SFC HALL OF SHAME - lala shaw and lambert. Fans seem indifferent to shaw - angry at lala refusing to playfor SFC again and still like lambert although his move was the catalyst for lala and unsettllng lovren. SAINTS FANS will decide themselves whether they applaud this type of behaviour at Liversh!te AWAY and the rest of Seasons games. JUDAS (MP) will be in for STICK as there will be needle at the Spuds game. 4Get any rivalry with Wet Spam this Season - it suits them and NOT US - they are a lower league Premier League Club - END OF. ADVANCE NOTICE - We all meet in the CENTRAL about 400 yards from the Ground to grab a few beers. There is a division between the Spam and us and bouncers on the doors. When they chant - WHO ARE YER ? (yawn) at the Ground Home and Away. We are SOUTHAMPTON - Number 1 in the South. COYR+WS The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
  • Score: 3

8:40pm Mon 7 Jul 14

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH says...

It's incredible how many people living in Southampton support other teams. All of a sudden one of our neighbours has become a Liverpool fan. He was just taunting me about Lovren. "Who's the daddy?" "Who's the daddy now?", he shouted. I hope they have a miserable season. Splash the cash Ron.
It's incredible how many people living in Southampton support other teams. All of a sudden one of our neighbours has become a Liverpool fan. He was just taunting me about Lovren. "Who's the daddy?" "Who's the daddy now?", he shouted. I hope they have a miserable season. Splash the cash Ron. SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH
  • Score: 7

8:41pm Mon 7 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ...

Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans

I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .
I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m.

There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now.

There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this.
Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m.

This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo.

That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need.

If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season.

COYR&WS

The art
I'm glad neither of you are my accountant, there are some serious flaws in your figures, not least in the realisation that the debt is being managed not simply cleared ahead of any spending. I could go on but life's too short.

You're right about the £100m, though. I think this figure is one of many myths being propagated through the media right now that we need to be careful about. I wonder if, in a couple of months, the media will come back and tell us it was a 'mis-truth' spouted by the club.
its straight from the poopey school of accounting stras! £30mill for the training ground to be paid over the next 2 years? so the builders haven't had a penny in the years they've been building it? I think I will get an extension built, expect the builder to pay for everything and then pay it off in 3 years time!
the transfer debt and training ground will have ben accounted for over the last few years, funds will have been allocated for both of those which will include money from the TV deals. its not just a sky deal there is money from the overseas tv licencing as well.

as for the £100mill, it was rumoured in many places that the club had £50mill to spend plus any monies from player sales, that's where the figure comes from! even if we `only` spent £60mill that is a huge amount for us!
I doubt we will spend £100mill this summer as I expect whatever transfer kitty we have will be split between this window and the jan window. so no one should moan if we don't spend £100mill between now and the end of the window!
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ... Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .[/p][/quote]I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m. There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now. There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this. Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m. This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo. That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need. If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season. COYR&WS The art[/p][/quote]I'm glad neither of you are my accountant, there are some serious flaws in your figures, not least in the realisation that the debt is being managed not simply cleared ahead of any spending. I could go on but life's too short. You're right about the £100m, though. I think this figure is one of many myths being propagated through the media right now that we need to be careful about. I wonder if, in a couple of months, the media will come back and tell us it was a 'mis-truth' spouted by the club.[/p][/quote]its straight from the poopey school of accounting stras! £30mill for the training ground to be paid over the next 2 years? so the builders haven't had a penny in the years they've been building it? I think I will get an extension built, expect the builder to pay for everything and then pay it off in 3 years time! the transfer debt and training ground will have ben accounted for over the last few years, funds will have been allocated for both of those which will include money from the TV deals. its not just a sky deal there is money from the overseas tv licencing as well. as for the £100mill, it was rumoured in many places that the club had £50mill to spend plus any monies from player sales, that's where the figure comes from! even if we `only` spent £60mill that is a huge amount for us! I doubt we will spend £100mill this summer as I expect whatever transfer kitty we have will be split between this window and the jan window. so no one should moan if we don't spend £100mill between now and the end of the window! de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 3

8:43pm Mon 7 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
BOOTED OUT in SFC HALL OF SHAME - lala shaw and lambert.

Fans seem indifferent to shaw - angry at lala refusing to playfor SFC again and still like lambert although his move was the catalyst for lala and unsettllng lovren.

SAINTS FANS will decide themselves whether they applaud this type of behaviour at Liversh!te AWAY and the rest of Seasons games.

JUDAS (MP) will be in for STICK as there will be needle at the Spuds game.

4Get any rivalry with Wet Spam this Season - it suits them and NOT US - they are a lower league Premier League Club - END OF.

ADVANCE NOTICE - We all meet in the CENTRAL about 400 yards from the Ground to grab a few beers. There is a division between the Spam and us and bouncers on the doors.

When they chant - WHO ARE YER ? (yawn) at the Ground Home and Away.

We are SOUTHAMPTON - Number 1 in the South. COYR+WS
cobblers.... Lallana's move to Liverpool was engineered before Sir Rickies, his was more a last minute thing and no one can blame him for a couple of pension-generating years at Liverpool. People talk on here like these ar5eholes were irreplaceable . they are not. We may take one step back this season in our sh1t kit to take two steps forward but thats part of football cycles... Manure are in for a shock, they will not finish top 4 this coming season... Sir Rickie left with grace and he gave us his best years , he knows he is off to play cameos at Liverpool but thats fair enough for him at his stage of career. Anyway regards the rest its a good dose of realism for muppets ( including me ) who forgot that many footballers despise the fans and frankly only care about themselves.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: BOOTED OUT in SFC HALL OF SHAME - lala shaw and lambert. Fans seem indifferent to shaw - angry at lala refusing to playfor SFC again and still like lambert although his move was the catalyst for lala and unsettllng lovren. SAINTS FANS will decide themselves whether they applaud this type of behaviour at Liversh!te AWAY and the rest of Seasons games. JUDAS (MP) will be in for STICK as there will be needle at the Spuds game. 4Get any rivalry with Wet Spam this Season - it suits them and NOT US - they are a lower league Premier League Club - END OF. ADVANCE NOTICE - We all meet in the CENTRAL about 400 yards from the Ground to grab a few beers. There is a division between the Spam and us and bouncers on the doors. When they chant - WHO ARE YER ? (yawn) at the Ground Home and Away. We are SOUTHAMPTON - Number 1 in the South. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]cobblers.... Lallana's move to Liverpool was engineered before Sir Rickies, his was more a last minute thing and no one can blame him for a couple of pension-generating years at Liverpool. People talk on here like these ar5eholes were irreplaceable . they are not. We may take one step back this season in our sh1t kit to take two steps forward but thats part of football cycles... Manure are in for a shock, they will not finish top 4 this coming season... Sir Rickie left with grace and he gave us his best years , he knows he is off to play cameos at Liverpool but thats fair enough for him at his stage of career. Anyway regards the rest its a good dose of realism for muppets ( including me ) who forgot that many footballers despise the fans and frankly only care about themselves. steekeemcglue
  • Score: 1

8:44pm Mon 7 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
BOOTED OUT in SFC HALL OF SHAME - lala shaw and lambert.

Fans seem indifferent to shaw - angry at lala refusing to playfor SFC again and still like lambert although his move was the catalyst for lala and unsettllng lovren.

SAINTS FANS will decide themselves whether they applaud this type of behaviour at Liversh!te AWAY and the rest of Seasons games.

JUDAS (MP) will be in for STICK as there will be needle at the Spuds game.

4Get any rivalry with Wet Spam this Season - it suits them and NOT US - they are a lower league Premier League Club - END OF.

ADVANCE NOTICE - We all meet in the CENTRAL about 400 yards from the Ground to grab a few beers. There is a division between the Spam and us and bouncers on the doors.

When they chant - WHO ARE YER ? (yawn) at the Ground Home and Away.

We are SOUTHAMPTON - Number 1 in the South. COYR+WS
cobblers.... Lallana's move to Liverpool was engineered before Sir Rickies, his was more a last minute thing and no one can blame him for a couple of pension-generating years at Liverpool. People talk on here like these ar5eholes were irreplaceable . they are not. We may take one step back this season in our sh1t kit to take two steps forward but thats part of football cycles... Manure are in for a shock, they will not finish top 4 this coming season... Sir Rickie left with grace and he gave us his best years , he knows he is off to play cameos at Liverpool but thats fair enough for him at his stage of career. Anyway regards the rest its a good dose of realism for muppets ( including me ) who forgot that many footballers despise the fans and frankly only care about themselves.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: BOOTED OUT in SFC HALL OF SHAME - lala shaw and lambert. Fans seem indifferent to shaw - angry at lala refusing to playfor SFC again and still like lambert although his move was the catalyst for lala and unsettllng lovren. SAINTS FANS will decide themselves whether they applaud this type of behaviour at Liversh!te AWAY and the rest of Seasons games. JUDAS (MP) will be in for STICK as there will be needle at the Spuds game. 4Get any rivalry with Wet Spam this Season - it suits them and NOT US - they are a lower league Premier League Club - END OF. ADVANCE NOTICE - We all meet in the CENTRAL about 400 yards from the Ground to grab a few beers. There is a division between the Spam and us and bouncers on the doors. When they chant - WHO ARE YER ? (yawn) at the Ground Home and Away. We are SOUTHAMPTON - Number 1 in the South. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]cobblers.... Lallana's move to Liverpool was engineered before Sir Rickies, his was more a last minute thing and no one can blame him for a couple of pension-generating years at Liverpool. People talk on here like these ar5eholes were irreplaceable . they are not. We may take one step back this season in our sh1t kit to take two steps forward but thats part of football cycles... Manure are in for a shock, they will not finish top 4 this coming season... Sir Rickie left with grace and he gave us his best years , he knows he is off to play cameos at Liverpool but thats fair enough for him at his stage of career. Anyway regards the rest its a good dose of realism for muppets ( including me ) who forgot that many footballers despise the fans and frankly only care about themselves. steekeemcglue
  • Score: -2

8:45pm Mon 7 Jul 14

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH says...

The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
BOOTED OUT in SFC HALL OF SHAME - lala shaw and lambert.

Fans seem indifferent to shaw - angry at lala refusing to playfor SFC again and still like lambert although his move was the catalyst for lala and unsettllng lovren.

SAINTS FANS will decide themselves whether they applaud this type of behaviour at Liversh!te AWAY and the rest of Seasons games.

JUDAS (MP) will be in for STICK as there will be needle at the Spuds game.

4Get any rivalry with Wet Spam this Season - it suits them and NOT US - they are a lower league Premier League Club - END OF.

ADVANCE NOTICE - We all meet in the CENTRAL about 400 yards from the Ground to grab a few beers. There is a division between the Spam and us and bouncers on the doors.

When they chant - WHO ARE YER ? (yawn) at the Ground Home and Away.

We are SOUTHAMPTON - Number 1 in the South. COYR+WS
Shaw and co won't give a fig if we clap them or not. That greedy lot will be revelling in the high life, counting their money. We'll be a distant memory me old son. They used us like Shearer and the rest did. The only one that stuck with us was Matty. We can always hope that the new players Ron brings in will have a little more loyalty, but I wouldn't hold your breath.
[quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: BOOTED OUT in SFC HALL OF SHAME - lala shaw and lambert. Fans seem indifferent to shaw - angry at lala refusing to playfor SFC again and still like lambert although his move was the catalyst for lala and unsettllng lovren. SAINTS FANS will decide themselves whether they applaud this type of behaviour at Liversh!te AWAY and the rest of Seasons games. JUDAS (MP) will be in for STICK as there will be needle at the Spuds game. 4Get any rivalry with Wet Spam this Season - it suits them and NOT US - they are a lower league Premier League Club - END OF. ADVANCE NOTICE - We all meet in the CENTRAL about 400 yards from the Ground to grab a few beers. There is a division between the Spam and us and bouncers on the doors. When they chant - WHO ARE YER ? (yawn) at the Ground Home and Away. We are SOUTHAMPTON - Number 1 in the South. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]Shaw and co won't give a fig if we clap them or not. That greedy lot will be revelling in the high life, counting their money. We'll be a distant memory me old son. They used us like Shearer and the rest did. The only one that stuck with us was Matty. We can always hope that the new players Ron brings in will have a little more loyalty, but I wouldn't hold your breath. SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH
  • Score: 6

9:25pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
BOOTED OUT in SFC HALL OF SHAME - lala shaw and lambert.

Fans seem indifferent to shaw - angry at lala refusing to playfor SFC again and still like lambert although his move was the catalyst for lala and unsettllng lovren.

SAINTS FANS will decide themselves whether they applaud this type of behaviour at Liversh!te AWAY and the rest of Seasons games.

JUDAS (MP) will be in for STICK as there will be needle at the Spuds game.

4Get any rivalry with Wet Spam this Season - it suits them and NOT US - they are a lower league Premier League Club - END OF.

ADVANCE NOTICE - We all meet in the CENTRAL about 400 yards from the Ground to grab a few beers. There is a division between the Spam and us and bouncers on the doors.

When they chant - WHO ARE YER ? (yawn) at the Ground Home and Away.

We are SOUTHAMPTON - Number 1 in the South. COYR+WS
cobblers.... Lallana's move to Liverpool was engineered before Sir Rickies, his was more a last minute thing and no one can blame him for a couple of pension-generating years at Liverpool. People talk on here like these ar5eholes were irreplaceable . they are not. We may take one step back this season in our sh1t kit to take two steps forward but thats part of football cycles... Manure are in for a shock, they will not finish top 4 this coming season... Sir Rickie left with grace and he gave us his best years , he knows he is off to play cameos at Liverpool but thats fair enough for him at his stage of career. Anyway regards the rest its a good dose of realism for muppets ( including me ) who forgot that many footballers despise the fans and frankly only care about themselves.
Although saying that some footballers "despise the fans",may on the face of it,sound a little harsh,there may be a little truth in it.I can remember reading Gordon Strachan's biography,and getting the feeling that the fans weren't exactly at the the top of his priority list,but then again,who can blame him after the vilification he received at the hand of the Coventry fans.
At the end of the day,they are professionals, doing a job of work,so we,the fans are just a means to an end.I've no doubt that after just scoring a goal,all the badge kissing,and running to the fans does have some meaning for them for that brief moment in time,but in the cold light of day,we are just an irrelevance on their personal path to glory.
I'm pretty sure that most kids growing up and starting to play football,do it for the excitement and the passion initially,and if they remain only as amateurs,probably for the rest of their playing days,but the rigours and stresses of professional football must certainly introduce a certain amount of ruthless cynicism into their attitudes to the game,which we as amateur watchers will find a little distasteful,and disappointing from time to time,and certainly at times like this.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: BOOTED OUT in SFC HALL OF SHAME - lala shaw and lambert. Fans seem indifferent to shaw - angry at lala refusing to playfor SFC again and still like lambert although his move was the catalyst for lala and unsettllng lovren. SAINTS FANS will decide themselves whether they applaud this type of behaviour at Liversh!te AWAY and the rest of Seasons games. JUDAS (MP) will be in for STICK as there will be needle at the Spuds game. 4Get any rivalry with Wet Spam this Season - it suits them and NOT US - they are a lower league Premier League Club - END OF. ADVANCE NOTICE - We all meet in the CENTRAL about 400 yards from the Ground to grab a few beers. There is a division between the Spam and us and bouncers on the doors. When they chant - WHO ARE YER ? (yawn) at the Ground Home and Away. We are SOUTHAMPTON - Number 1 in the South. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]cobblers.... Lallana's move to Liverpool was engineered before Sir Rickies, his was more a last minute thing and no one can blame him for a couple of pension-generating years at Liverpool. People talk on here like these ar5eholes were irreplaceable . they are not. We may take one step back this season in our sh1t kit to take two steps forward but thats part of football cycles... Manure are in for a shock, they will not finish top 4 this coming season... Sir Rickie left with grace and he gave us his best years , he knows he is off to play cameos at Liverpool but thats fair enough for him at his stage of career. Anyway regards the rest its a good dose of realism for muppets ( including me ) who forgot that many footballers despise the fans and frankly only care about themselves.[/p][/quote]Although saying that some footballers "despise the fans",may on the face of it,sound a little harsh,there may be a little truth in it.I can remember reading Gordon Strachan's biography,and getting the feeling that the fans weren't exactly at the the top of his priority list,but then again,who can blame him after the vilification he received at the hand of the Coventry fans. At the end of the day,they are professionals, doing a job of work,so we,the fans are just a means to an end.I've no doubt that after just scoring a goal,all the badge kissing,and running to the fans does have some meaning for them for that brief moment in time,but in the cold light of day,we are just an irrelevance on their personal path to glory. I'm pretty sure that most kids growing up and starting to play football,do it for the excitement and the passion initially,and if they remain only as amateurs,probably for the rest of their playing days,but the rigours and stresses of professional football must certainly introduce a certain amount of ruthless cynicism into their attitudes to the game,which we as amateur watchers will find a little distasteful,and disappointing from time to time,and certainly at times like this. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 4

9:34pm Mon 7 Jul 14

techsture says...

I hope its Dom's breakthrough season so I can have

Gape 69 on this years £50 shirt
I hope its Dom's breakthrough season so I can have Gape 69 on this years £50 shirt techsture
  • Score: 4

9:34pm Mon 7 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
BOOTED OUT in SFC HALL OF SHAME - lala shaw and lambert.

Fans seem indifferent to shaw - angry at lala refusing to playfor SFC again and still like lambert although his move was the catalyst for lala and unsettllng lovren.

SAINTS FANS will decide themselves whether they applaud this type of behaviour at Liversh!te AWAY and the rest of Seasons games.

JUDAS (MP) will be in for STICK as there will be needle at the Spuds game.

4Get any rivalry with Wet Spam this Season - it suits them and NOT US - they are a lower league Premier League Club - END OF.

ADVANCE NOTICE - We all meet in the CENTRAL about 400 yards from the Ground to grab a few beers. There is a division between the Spam and us and bouncers on the doors.

When they chant - WHO ARE YER ? (yawn) at the Ground Home and Away.

We are SOUTHAMPTON - Number 1 in the South. COYR+WS
cobblers.... Lallana's move to Liverpool was engineered before Sir Rickies, his was more a last minute thing and no one can blame him for a couple of pension-generating years at Liverpool. People talk on here like these ar5eholes were irreplaceable . they are not. We may take one step back this season in our sh1t kit to take two steps forward but thats part of football cycles... Manure are in for a shock, they will not finish top 4 this coming season... Sir Rickie left with grace and he gave us his best years , he knows he is off to play cameos at Liverpool but thats fair enough for him at his stage of career. Anyway regards the rest its a good dose of realism for muppets ( including me ) who forgot that many footballers despise the fans and frankly only care about themselves.
Although saying that some footballers "despise the fans",may on the face of it,sound a little harsh,there may be a little truth in it.I can remember reading Gordon Strachan's biography,and getting the feeling that the fans weren't exactly at the the top of his priority list,but then again,who can blame him after the vilification he received at the hand of the Coventry fans.
At the end of the day,they are professionals, doing a job of work,so we,the fans are just a means to an end.I've no doubt that after just scoring a goal,all the badge kissing,and running to the fans does have some meaning for them for that brief moment in time,but in the cold light of day,we are just an irrelevance on their personal path to glory.
I'm pretty sure that most kids growing up and starting to play football,do it for the excitement and the passion initially,and if they remain only as amateurs,probably for the rest of their playing days,but the rigours and stresses of professional football must certainly introduce a certain amount of ruthless cynicism into their attitudes to the game,which we as amateur watchers will find a little distasteful,and disappointing from time to time,and certainly at times like this.
I once had the privilege to talk at length to Matty while he was still playing and under the "stewardship" of the illustrious Branfoot... I have met him a few times since , but on that one occasion I got to hear about him and what drove him. He was a family man and was driven by the simple pleasure of playing football. He wanted to stay at Saints because it was close to his family and he said he felt he "belonged here". regards the fans he said genuinely : "Its what makes the game". I also at the same time spoke to Dowie who had just been told by Branfoot to sit out a couple of games due to the hostility of the Saints fans and he told me "the fans hold no fear for me , I love the game and I love the banter , the fans at Saints are amongst the best". Two very genuine people.... neither were motivated by money and neither had anything other than the highest regard for the fans even though one was be slaughtered but them. And even Branfoot took the time to talk to me about Matty and how he struggled to get him to perform for him etc etc etc , but again was very gracious when speaking about the fans ( it was at the height of the abuse he used to get ). That was a different era I know but who knows once we get shot of this poisonous group of players we could once again have a club with players who yes want to earn money but maybe want to give us that something else...
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: BOOTED OUT in SFC HALL OF SHAME - lala shaw and lambert. Fans seem indifferent to shaw - angry at lala refusing to playfor SFC again and still like lambert although his move was the catalyst for lala and unsettllng lovren. SAINTS FANS will decide themselves whether they applaud this type of behaviour at Liversh!te AWAY and the rest of Seasons games. JUDAS (MP) will be in for STICK as there will be needle at the Spuds game. 4Get any rivalry with Wet Spam this Season - it suits them and NOT US - they are a lower league Premier League Club - END OF. ADVANCE NOTICE - We all meet in the CENTRAL about 400 yards from the Ground to grab a few beers. There is a division between the Spam and us and bouncers on the doors. When they chant - WHO ARE YER ? (yawn) at the Ground Home and Away. We are SOUTHAMPTON - Number 1 in the South. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]cobblers.... Lallana's move to Liverpool was engineered before Sir Rickies, his was more a last minute thing and no one can blame him for a couple of pension-generating years at Liverpool. People talk on here like these ar5eholes were irreplaceable . they are not. We may take one step back this season in our sh1t kit to take two steps forward but thats part of football cycles... Manure are in for a shock, they will not finish top 4 this coming season... Sir Rickie left with grace and he gave us his best years , he knows he is off to play cameos at Liverpool but thats fair enough for him at his stage of career. Anyway regards the rest its a good dose of realism for muppets ( including me ) who forgot that many footballers despise the fans and frankly only care about themselves.[/p][/quote]Although saying that some footballers "despise the fans",may on the face of it,sound a little harsh,there may be a little truth in it.I can remember reading Gordon Strachan's biography,and getting the feeling that the fans weren't exactly at the the top of his priority list,but then again,who can blame him after the vilification he received at the hand of the Coventry fans. At the end of the day,they are professionals, doing a job of work,so we,the fans are just a means to an end.I've no doubt that after just scoring a goal,all the badge kissing,and running to the fans does have some meaning for them for that brief moment in time,but in the cold light of day,we are just an irrelevance on their personal path to glory. I'm pretty sure that most kids growing up and starting to play football,do it for the excitement and the passion initially,and if they remain only as amateurs,probably for the rest of their playing days,but the rigours and stresses of professional football must certainly introduce a certain amount of ruthless cynicism into their attitudes to the game,which we as amateur watchers will find a little distasteful,and disappointing from time to time,and certainly at times like this.[/p][/quote]I once had the privilege to talk at length to Matty while he was still playing and under the "stewardship" of the illustrious Branfoot... I have met him a few times since , but on that one occasion I got to hear about him and what drove him. He was a family man and was driven by the simple pleasure of playing football. He wanted to stay at Saints because it was close to his family and he said he felt he "belonged here". regards the fans he said genuinely : "Its what makes the game". I also at the same time spoke to Dowie who had just been told by Branfoot to sit out a couple of games due to the hostility of the Saints fans and he told me "the fans hold no fear for me , I love the game and I love the banter , the fans at Saints are amongst the best". Two very genuine people.... neither were motivated by money and neither had anything other than the highest regard for the fans even though one was be slaughtered but them. And even Branfoot took the time to talk to me about Matty and how he struggled to get him to perform for him etc etc etc , but again was very gracious when speaking about the fans ( it was at the height of the abuse he used to get ). That was a different era I know but who knows once we get shot of this poisonous group of players we could once again have a club with players who yes want to earn money but maybe want to give us that something else... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 6

9:43pm Mon 7 Jul 14

miltonarcher says...

St Van Roetford wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
St Van Roetford wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
We've spent a lot of time focussing on the want away players. How about some speculation on who the 'glad MP's gone' players might be?

I'd go for Jack Cork, JWP and Yoshida.
I thought you were talking about the mysterious kiddie-fiddling Tory MPs from the 80s for a minute there. That's how 'over' MoPo I am...
Who told you they were Tories? Or were you part of the mysterious group?
Common knowledge by now, isn't it? I could go into further detail but it will all come out in the fullness of time. Suffice to say, it's going to be the biggest scandal in the history of scandals.
Who was it produced the dossier? Was he a Tory? Check out the links some current labour MP's had with the murky Pedo Exchange. Scandal yes, for the left wing.
[quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Van Roetford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: We've spent a lot of time focussing on the want away players. How about some speculation on who the 'glad MP's gone' players might be? I'd go for Jack Cork, JWP and Yoshida.[/p][/quote]I thought you were talking about the mysterious kiddie-fiddling Tory MPs from the 80s for a minute there. That's how 'over' MoPo I am...[/p][/quote]Who told you they were Tories? Or were you part of the mysterious group?[/p][/quote]Common knowledge by now, isn't it? I could go into further detail but it will all come out in the fullness of time. Suffice to say, it's going to be the biggest scandal in the history of scandals.[/p][/quote]Who was it produced the dossier? Was he a Tory? Check out the links some current labour MP's had with the murky Pedo Exchange. Scandal yes, for the left wing. miltonarcher
  • Score: 1

9:51pm Mon 7 Jul 14

M.U.CS1 says...

Matt Le Tossier was a good player, but never had the bottle to move to a bigger team, big fish in a small pond was all he ever was ! How many England caps did he get ?
Matt Le Tossier was a good player, but never had the bottle to move to a bigger team, big fish in a small pond was all he ever was ! How many England caps did he get ? M.U.CS1
  • Score: -19

9:52pm Mon 7 Jul 14

deepheat says...

De Stentor website:- July 7, 22:33

Translated

The Serbian winger is currently already in England. If he successfully completes the medical examination tomorrow (Tuesday), he will then put the signature on the contract with the English club. Tadic may possibly already anyhow Wednesday for the first time at Southampton.

http://translate.goo
gleusercontent.com/t
ranslate_c?depth=1&h
l=en&rurl=translate.
google.com&tl=en&u=h
ttp://www.destentor.
nl/algemeen/sport/tw
ente-en-southampton-
rond-over-tadic-1.44
39629&usg=ALkJrhj3RM
3zudK3qjrFiUPWOFdSls
1jrQ
De Stentor website:- July 7, 22:33 Translated The Serbian winger is currently already in England. If he successfully completes the medical examination tomorrow (Tuesday), he will then put the signature on the contract with the English club. Tadic may possibly already anyhow Wednesday for the first time at Southampton. http://translate.goo gleusercontent.com/t ranslate_c?depth=1&h l=en&rurl=translate. google.com&tl=en&u=h ttp://www.destentor. nl/algemeen/sport/tw ente-en-southampton- rond-over-tadic-1.44 39629&usg=ALkJrhj3RM 3zudK3qjrFiUPWOFdSls 1jrQ deepheat
  • Score: 2

9:58pm Mon 7 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Matt Le Tossier was a good player, but never had the bottle to move to a bigger team, big fish in a small pond was all he ever was ! How many England caps did he get ?
you are asking a question..... you must ask loads because you clearly know fcuk all about football.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Matt Le Tossier was a good player, but never had the bottle to move to a bigger team, big fish in a small pond was all he ever was ! How many England caps did he get ?[/p][/quote]you are asking a question..... you must ask loads because you clearly know fcuk all about football. steekeemcglue
  • Score: 10

10:03pm Mon 7 Jul 14

angus mc coatup says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Matt Le Tossier was a good player, but never had the bottle to move to a bigger team, big fish in a small pond was all he ever was ! How many England caps did he get ?
eight more than you.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Matt Le Tossier was a good player, but never had the bottle to move to a bigger team, big fish in a small pond was all he ever was ! How many England caps did he get ?[/p][/quote]eight more than you. angus mc coatup
  • Score: 13

10:18pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
M.U.CS1 wrote:
Matt Le Tossier was a good player, but never had the bottle to move to a bigger team, big fish in a small pond was all he ever was ! How many England caps did he get ?
eight more than you.
In fact, fewer than Danny Welbeck (and counting!).

It sums up the history of the England set up, doesn't it?
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Matt Le Tossier was a good player, but never had the bottle to move to a bigger team, big fish in a small pond was all he ever was ! How many England caps did he get ?[/p][/quote]eight more than you.[/p][/quote]In fact, fewer than Danny Welbeck (and counting!). It sums up the history of the England set up, doesn't it? Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 7

10:24pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Positively4thStreet says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
M.U.CS1 wrote:
Matt Le Tossier was a good player, but never had the bottle to move to a bigger team, big fish in a small pond was all he ever was ! How many England caps did he get ?
you are asking a question..... you must ask loads because you clearly know fcuk all about football.
That's no way to talk to Wayne Rooney.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Matt Le Tossier was a good player, but never had the bottle to move to a bigger team, big fish in a small pond was all he ever was ! How many England caps did he get ?[/p][/quote]you are asking a question..... you must ask loads because you clearly know fcuk all about football.[/p][/quote]That's no way to talk to Wayne Rooney. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

10:40pm Mon 7 Jul 14

psk_35 says...

Dubai-saints89 wrote:
probably one of the best things I've read on here in a while. well put. just need someone to tell this to Lovren himself so he knows what an idiot hes made himself look. good riddance.
i will always remember his performance against spurs. it explained why he wasn't liked at Lyon.
Who could forget that performance his cost us the game!
[quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: probably one of the best things I've read on here in a while. well put. just need someone to tell this to Lovren himself so he knows what an idiot hes made himself look. good riddance. i will always remember his performance against spurs. it explained why he wasn't liked at Lyon.[/p][/quote]Who could forget that performance his cost us the game! psk_35
  • Score: 4

10:43pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ...

Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans

I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .
I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m.

There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now.

There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this.
Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m.

This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo.

That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need.

If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season.

COYR&WS

The art
I'm glad neither of you are my accountant, there are some serious flaws in your figures, not least in the realisation that the debt is being managed not simply cleared ahead of any spending. I could go on but life's too short.

You're right about the £100m, though. I think this figure is one of many myths being propagated through the media right now that we need to be careful about. I wonder if, in a couple of months, the media will come back and tell us it was a 'mis-truth' spouted by the club.
its straight from the poopey school of accounting stras! £30mill for the training ground to be paid over the next 2 years? so the builders haven't had a penny in the years they've been building it? I think I will get an extension built, expect the builder to pay for everything and then pay it off in 3 years time!
the transfer debt and training ground will have ben accounted for over the last few years, funds will have been allocated for both of those which will include money from the TV deals. its not just a sky deal there is money from the overseas tv licencing as well.

as for the £100mill, it was rumoured in many places that the club had £50mill to spend plus any monies from player sales, that's where the figure comes from! even if we `only` spent £60mill that is a huge amount for us!
I doubt we will spend £100mill this summer as I expect whatever transfer kitty we have will be split between this window and the jan window. so no one should moan if we don't spend £100mill between now and the end of the window!
Quite! I'm far from expert on these things but, as you say, the figure seems to comprise of the rumoured £50m up front, plus whatever can be EARNED from player sales. Taking into account factors such as what went to Bournmuff for Lala and that some fees will include add-ons etc., the actual EARNED income is unlikely to double that initial sum (even if we sell Lovren and Osvaldo) . Furthermore, even if we assume that a figure of £100m does go into the kitty, by the time you take into account things like agents' fees and signing on fees etc., (and budget in the salaries) there's a sizeable chunk that won't be directly available for transfers.

My guess is that Ron and Les will have a figure that is more in line with your £60m. Yet there will still be some people who won't be happy unless the board actually spends directly on transfers a minimum of £100m.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ... Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .[/p][/quote]I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m. There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now. There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this. Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m. This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo. That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need. If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season. COYR&WS The art[/p][/quote]I'm glad neither of you are my accountant, there are some serious flaws in your figures, not least in the realisation that the debt is being managed not simply cleared ahead of any spending. I could go on but life's too short. You're right about the £100m, though. I think this figure is one of many myths being propagated through the media right now that we need to be careful about. I wonder if, in a couple of months, the media will come back and tell us it was a 'mis-truth' spouted by the club.[/p][/quote]its straight from the poopey school of accounting stras! £30mill for the training ground to be paid over the next 2 years? so the builders haven't had a penny in the years they've been building it? I think I will get an extension built, expect the builder to pay for everything and then pay it off in 3 years time! the transfer debt and training ground will have ben accounted for over the last few years, funds will have been allocated for both of those which will include money from the TV deals. its not just a sky deal there is money from the overseas tv licencing as well. as for the £100mill, it was rumoured in many places that the club had £50mill to spend plus any monies from player sales, that's where the figure comes from! even if we `only` spent £60mill that is a huge amount for us! I doubt we will spend £100mill this summer as I expect whatever transfer kitty we have will be split between this window and the jan window. so no one should moan if we don't spend £100mill between now and the end of the window![/p][/quote]Quite! I'm far from expert on these things but, as you say, the figure seems to comprise of the rumoured £50m up front, plus whatever can be EARNED from player sales. Taking into account factors such as what went to Bournmuff for Lala and that some fees will include add-ons etc., the actual EARNED income is unlikely to double that initial sum (even if we sell Lovren and Osvaldo) . Furthermore, even if we assume that a figure of £100m does go into the kitty, by the time you take into account things like agents' fees and signing on fees etc., (and budget in the salaries) there's a sizeable chunk that won't be directly available for transfers. My guess is that Ron and Les will have a figure that is more in line with your £60m. Yet there will still be some people who won't be happy unless the board actually spends directly on transfers a minimum of £100m. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 2

10:54pm Mon 7 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ...

Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans

I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .
I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m.

There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now.

There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this.
Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m.

This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo.

That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need.

If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season.

COYR&WS

The art
I'm glad neither of you are my accountant, there are some serious flaws in your figures, not least in the realisation that the debt is being managed not simply cleared ahead of any spending. I could go on but life's too short.

You're right about the £100m, though. I think this figure is one of many myths being propagated through the media right now that we need to be careful about. I wonder if, in a couple of months, the media will come back and tell us it was a 'mis-truth' spouted by the club.
its straight from the poopey school of accounting stras! £30mill for the training ground to be paid over the next 2 years? so the builders haven't had a penny in the years they've been building it? I think I will get an extension built, expect the builder to pay for everything and then pay it off in 3 years time!
the transfer debt and training ground will have ben accounted for over the last few years, funds will have been allocated for both of those which will include money from the TV deals. its not just a sky deal there is money from the overseas tv licencing as well.

as for the £100mill, it was rumoured in many places that the club had £50mill to spend plus any monies from player sales, that's where the figure comes from! even if we `only` spent £60mill that is a huge amount for us!
I doubt we will spend £100mill this summer as I expect whatever transfer kitty we have will be split between this window and the jan window. so no one should moan if we don't spend £100mill between now and the end of the window!
Quite! I'm far from expert on these things but, as you say, the figure seems to comprise of the rumoured £50m up front, plus whatever can be EARNED from player sales. Taking into account factors such as what went to Bournmuff for Lala and that some fees will include add-ons etc., the actual EARNED income is unlikely to double that initial sum (even if we sell Lovren and Osvaldo) . Furthermore, even if we assume that a figure of £100m does go into the kitty, by the time you take into account things like agents' fees and signing on fees etc., (and budget in the salaries) there's a sizeable chunk that won't be directly available for transfers.

My guess is that Ron and Les will have a figure that is more in line with your £60m. Yet there will still be some people who won't be happy unless the board actually spends directly on transfers a minimum of £100m.
£50-60M buys us 4-6 fabulous players and maybe one superstar.... easily enough to replace the disrespectful a55holes that have left ( Sir Rickie excluded ) and will leave.... good business is a mix of having to pay big ticket prices and finding and taking a punt on those you don't have to .... its not doing what we did previously which was to spend over £10M on mediocrity and/or dross...
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ... Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .[/p][/quote]I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m. There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now. There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this. Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m. This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo. That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need. If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season. COYR&WS The art[/p][/quote]I'm glad neither of you are my accountant, there are some serious flaws in your figures, not least in the realisation that the debt is being managed not simply cleared ahead of any spending. I could go on but life's too short. You're right about the £100m, though. I think this figure is one of many myths being propagated through the media right now that we need to be careful about. I wonder if, in a couple of months, the media will come back and tell us it was a 'mis-truth' spouted by the club.[/p][/quote]its straight from the poopey school of accounting stras! £30mill for the training ground to be paid over the next 2 years? so the builders haven't had a penny in the years they've been building it? I think I will get an extension built, expect the builder to pay for everything and then pay it off in 3 years time! the transfer debt and training ground will have ben accounted for over the last few years, funds will have been allocated for both of those which will include money from the TV deals. its not just a sky deal there is money from the overseas tv licencing as well. as for the £100mill, it was rumoured in many places that the club had £50mill to spend plus any monies from player sales, that's where the figure comes from! even if we `only` spent £60mill that is a huge amount for us! I doubt we will spend £100mill this summer as I expect whatever transfer kitty we have will be split between this window and the jan window. so no one should moan if we don't spend £100mill between now and the end of the window![/p][/quote]Quite! I'm far from expert on these things but, as you say, the figure seems to comprise of the rumoured £50m up front, plus whatever can be EARNED from player sales. Taking into account factors such as what went to Bournmuff for Lala and that some fees will include add-ons etc., the actual EARNED income is unlikely to double that initial sum (even if we sell Lovren and Osvaldo) . Furthermore, even if we assume that a figure of £100m does go into the kitty, by the time you take into account things like agents' fees and signing on fees etc., (and budget in the salaries) there's a sizeable chunk that won't be directly available for transfers. My guess is that Ron and Les will have a figure that is more in line with your £60m. Yet there will still be some people who won't be happy unless the board actually spends directly on transfers a minimum of £100m.[/p][/quote]£50-60M buys us 4-6 fabulous players and maybe one superstar.... easily enough to replace the disrespectful a55holes that have left ( Sir Rickie excluded ) and will leave.... good business is a mix of having to pay big ticket prices and finding and taking a punt on those you don't have to .... its not doing what we did previously which was to spend over £10M on mediocrity and/or dross... steekeemcglue
  • Score: 0

10:58pm Mon 7 Jul 14

psk_35 says...

I just really really hope we prove everyone wrong!, every Facebook article I read which relates to Southampton FC appears to be negative and the comments are even worse.

Everyone seems to think we are in deep trouble, however what majority of the glory hunters don't understand is exactly what is going on at the club , I mean common we have just redeveloped the training ground which is potentially one of the best training grounds in England, we have just appointed a manager who has a successful track record in Europe both as a player and as a manager and has a higher win percentage then our previous manager which was below 40% both at Southampton and Espanyol. We also have the best youth setup in England and have been praised constantly and also what other fans appear to be missing is that Southampton FC is actually owned by a billionaire!.

I understand why fans are getting annoyed with players leaving and the manager leaving but i personally believe the board have done their best as in they have rejected the bids which previous board members have failed to do and got the best possible deal, when was the last time we made £50 million of 2 players? Also the chairmen has stated it on a number of different occasions that the money will be reinvested. The board have also stated that they do not want to sell their best players however what can you do when the players do not want to play for your club? Personally I'm glad Southampton are making the most out of these players that do not want to stay at the club.

Also we seem to forget that after we sacked Alan Pardew we all thought it was the wrong decision and look what happened, same goes for Nigel Adkins, in my eyes the club appears to be doing everything right, I just really hope we shut the media and the glory hunters up next season.

Oh how I would love it if we beat Liverpool first game!!
I just really really hope we prove everyone wrong!, every Facebook article I read which relates to Southampton FC appears to be negative and the comments are even worse. Everyone seems to think we are in deep trouble, however what majority of the glory hunters don't understand is exactly what is going on at the club , I mean common we have just redeveloped the training ground which is potentially one of the best training grounds in England, we have just appointed a manager who has a successful track record in Europe both as a player and as a manager and has a higher win percentage then our previous manager which was below 40% both at Southampton and Espanyol. We also have the best youth setup in England and have been praised constantly and also what other fans appear to be missing is that Southampton FC is actually owned by a billionaire!. I understand why fans are getting annoyed with players leaving and the manager leaving but i personally believe the board have done their best as in they have rejected the bids which previous board members have failed to do and got the best possible deal, when was the last time we made £50 million of 2 players? Also the chairmen has stated it on a number of different occasions that the money will be reinvested. The board have also stated that they do not want to sell their best players however what can you do when the players do not want to play for your club? Personally I'm glad Southampton are making the most out of these players that do not want to stay at the club. Also we seem to forget that after we sacked Alan Pardew we all thought it was the wrong decision and look what happened, same goes for Nigel Adkins, in my eyes the club appears to be doing everything right, I just really hope we shut the media and the glory hunters up next season. Oh how I would love it if we beat Liverpool first game!! psk_35
  • Score: 11

11:06pm Mon 7 Jul 14

milton road says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ...

Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans

I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .
I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m.

There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now.

There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this.
Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m.

This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo.

That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need.

If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season.

COYR&WS

The art
I'm glad neither of you are my accountant, there are some serious flaws in your figures, not least in the realisation that the debt is being managed not simply cleared ahead of any spending. I could go on but life's too short.

You're right about the £100m, though. I think this figure is one of many myths being propagated through the media right now that we need to be careful about. I wonder if, in a couple of months, the media will come back and tell us it was a 'mis-truth' spouted by the club.
its straight from the poopey school of accounting stras! £30mill for the training ground to be paid over the next 2 years? so the builders haven't had a penny in the years they've been building it? I think I will get an extension built, expect the builder to pay for everything and then pay it off in 3 years time!
the transfer debt and training ground will have ben accounted for over the last few years, funds will have been allocated for both of those which will include money from the TV deals. its not just a sky deal there is money from the overseas tv licencing as well.

as for the £100mill, it was rumoured in many places that the club had £50mill to spend plus any monies from player sales, that's where the figure comes from! even if we `only` spent £60mill that is a huge amount for us!
I doubt we will spend £100mill this summer as I expect whatever transfer kitty we have will be split between this window and the jan window. so no one should moan if we don't spend £100mill between now and the end of the window!
The training ground would of been paid off monthly which is the way construction works. Saints had a debt of just over 11 million in their championship season and over 7 million in their first premier season. Making 19 million debt. The major expense comes in the initial works of constructing the structure which would of been at the beginning obviously.
If they had borrowed to pay it then it would be reflected in accounts and shown.
The first season saw a income of 76 million and this season has seen an estimated 114 million. Which is an increase of some 42 million . They carried across some of the payment of transfer monies to this new season which is quite common practice in major football clubs. Take the 22 million owed on that still leaves them with 20 million plus income on the previous season.
As for transfer kitty that was the stumbling block in reference to Koeman coming. He was promised a substantial transfer kitty plus cash for any players sold. its not unreasonable as in previous seasons 30 million was promised at least. Plus fifty from the players sold so far makes 70-80 mil. Which will be added to if anymore are sold.
We have done the right thing brought in a very experienced strong manager and the emphasis maybe on the strength of the manager rather than chairman now. IMO he will have a major influence in the club as a whole.
We haven't financial problems, we need to move out those that do not want to play, the past is gone and now we need to look towards the future and I believe it can still be good, but we need to get all the nonsense out the way.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ... Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .[/p][/quote]I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m. There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now. There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this. Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m. This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo. That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need. If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season. COYR&WS The art[/p][/quote]I'm glad neither of you are my accountant, there are some serious flaws in your figures, not least in the realisation that the debt is being managed not simply cleared ahead of any spending. I could go on but life's too short. You're right about the £100m, though. I think this figure is one of many myths being propagated through the media right now that we need to be careful about. I wonder if, in a couple of months, the media will come back and tell us it was a 'mis-truth' spouted by the club.[/p][/quote]its straight from the poopey school of accounting stras! £30mill for the training ground to be paid over the next 2 years? so the builders haven't had a penny in the years they've been building it? I think I will get an extension built, expect the builder to pay for everything and then pay it off in 3 years time! the transfer debt and training ground will have ben accounted for over the last few years, funds will have been allocated for both of those which will include money from the TV deals. its not just a sky deal there is money from the overseas tv licencing as well. as for the £100mill, it was rumoured in many places that the club had £50mill to spend plus any monies from player sales, that's where the figure comes from! even if we `only` spent £60mill that is a huge amount for us! I doubt we will spend £100mill this summer as I expect whatever transfer kitty we have will be split between this window and the jan window. so no one should moan if we don't spend £100mill between now and the end of the window![/p][/quote]The training ground would of been paid off monthly which is the way construction works. Saints had a debt of just over 11 million in their championship season and over 7 million in their first premier season. Making 19 million debt. The major expense comes in the initial works of constructing the structure which would of been at the beginning obviously. If they had borrowed to pay it then it would be reflected in accounts and shown. The first season saw a income of 76 million and this season has seen an estimated 114 million. Which is an increase of some 42 million . They carried across some of the payment of transfer monies to this new season which is quite common practice in major football clubs. Take the 22 million owed on that still leaves them with 20 million plus income on the previous season. As for transfer kitty that was the stumbling block in reference to Koeman coming. He was promised a substantial transfer kitty plus cash for any players sold. its not unreasonable as in previous seasons 30 million was promised at least. Plus fifty from the players sold so far makes 70-80 mil. Which will be added to if anymore are sold. We have done the right thing brought in a very experienced strong manager and the emphasis maybe on the strength of the manager rather than chairman now. IMO he will have a major influence in the club as a whole. We haven't financial problems, we need to move out those that do not want to play, the past is gone and now we need to look towards the future and I believe it can still be good, but we need to get all the nonsense out the way. milton road
  • Score: 9

11:16pm Mon 7 Jul 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ...

Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans

I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .
I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m.

There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now.

There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this.
Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m.

This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo.

That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need.

If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season.

COYR&WS

The art
I'm glad neither of you are my accountant, there are some serious flaws in your figures, not least in the realisation that the debt is being managed not simply cleared ahead of any spending. I could go on but life's too short.

You're right about the £100m, though. I think this figure is one of many myths being propagated through the media right now that we need to be careful about. I wonder if, in a couple of months, the media will come back and tell us it was a 'mis-truth' spouted by the club.
its straight from the poopey school of accounting stras! £30mill for the training ground to be paid over the next 2 years? so the builders haven't had a penny in the years they've been building it? I think I will get an extension built, expect the builder to pay for everything and then pay it off in 3 years time!
the transfer debt and training ground will have ben accounted for over the last few years, funds will have been allocated for both of those which will include money from the TV deals. its not just a sky deal there is money from the overseas tv licencing as well.

as for the £100mill, it was rumoured in many places that the club had £50mill to spend plus any monies from player sales, that's where the figure comes from! even if we `only` spent £60mill that is a huge amount for us!
I doubt we will spend £100mill this summer as I expect whatever transfer kitty we have will be split between this window and the jan window. so no one should moan if we don't spend £100mill between now and the end of the window!
Quite! I'm far from expert on these things but, as you say, the figure seems to comprise of the rumoured £50m up front, plus whatever can be EARNED from player sales. Taking into account factors such as what went to Bournmuff for Lala and that some fees will include add-ons etc., the actual EARNED income is unlikely to double that initial sum (even if we sell Lovren and Osvaldo) . Furthermore, even if we assume that a figure of £100m does go into the kitty, by the time you take into account things like agents' fees and signing on fees etc., (and budget in the salaries) there's a sizeable chunk that won't be directly available for transfers.

My guess is that Ron and Les will have a figure that is more in line with your £60m. Yet there will still be some people who won't be happy unless the board actually spends directly on transfers a minimum of £100m.
£50-60M buys us 4-6 fabulous players and maybe one superstar.... easily enough to replace the disrespectful a55holes that have left ( Sir Rickie excluded ) and will leave.... good business is a mix of having to pay big ticket prices and finding and taking a punt on those you don't have to .... its not doing what we did previously which was to spend over £10M on mediocrity and/or dross...
well twitter is saying the tadic deal is all sown up, multiple sources saying an announcement expected tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ... Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .[/p][/quote]I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m. There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now. There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this. Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m. This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo. That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need. If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season. COYR&WS The art[/p][/quote]I'm glad neither of you are my accountant, there are some serious flaws in your figures, not least in the realisation that the debt is being managed not simply cleared ahead of any spending. I could go on but life's too short. You're right about the £100m, though. I think this figure is one of many myths being propagated through the media right now that we need to be careful about. I wonder if, in a couple of months, the media will come back and tell us it was a 'mis-truth' spouted by the club.[/p][/quote]its straight from the poopey school of accounting stras! £30mill for the training ground to be paid over the next 2 years? so the builders haven't had a penny in the years they've been building it? I think I will get an extension built, expect the builder to pay for everything and then pay it off in 3 years time! the transfer debt and training ground will have ben accounted for over the last few years, funds will have been allocated for both of those which will include money from the TV deals. its not just a sky deal there is money from the overseas tv licencing as well. as for the £100mill, it was rumoured in many places that the club had £50mill to spend plus any monies from player sales, that's where the figure comes from! even if we `only` spent £60mill that is a huge amount for us! I doubt we will spend £100mill this summer as I expect whatever transfer kitty we have will be split between this window and the jan window. so no one should moan if we don't spend £100mill between now and the end of the window![/p][/quote]Quite! I'm far from expert on these things but, as you say, the figure seems to comprise of the rumoured £50m up front, plus whatever can be EARNED from player sales. Taking into account factors such as what went to Bournmuff for Lala and that some fees will include add-ons etc., the actual EARNED income is unlikely to double that initial sum (even if we sell Lovren and Osvaldo) . Furthermore, even if we assume that a figure of £100m does go into the kitty, by the time you take into account things like agents' fees and signing on fees etc., (and budget in the salaries) there's a sizeable chunk that won't be directly available for transfers. My guess is that Ron and Les will have a figure that is more in line with your £60m. Yet there will still be some people who won't be happy unless the board actually spends directly on transfers a minimum of £100m.[/p][/quote]£50-60M buys us 4-6 fabulous players and maybe one superstar.... easily enough to replace the disrespectful a55holes that have left ( Sir Rickie excluded ) and will leave.... good business is a mix of having to pay big ticket prices and finding and taking a punt on those you don't have to .... its not doing what we did previously which was to spend over £10M on mediocrity and/or dross...[/p][/quote]well twitter is saying the tadic deal is all sown up, multiple sources saying an announcement expected tomorrow. de Heiligen paard 101
  • Score: 0

11:18pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Matt Le Tossier was a good player, but never had the bottle to move to a bigger team, big fish in a small pond was all he ever was ! How many England caps did he get ?
Skate pr!ck. No sorry - Jealous Skate pr!ck.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Matt Le Tossier was a good player, but never had the bottle to move to a bigger team, big fish in a small pond was all he ever was ! How many England caps did he get ?[/p][/quote]Skate pr!ck. No sorry - Jealous Skate pr!ck. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 14

11:20pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

milton road wrote:
de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ...

Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans

I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .
I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m.

There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now.

There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this.
Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m.

This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo.

That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need.

If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season.

COYR&WS

The art
I'm glad neither of you are my accountant, there are some serious flaws in your figures, not least in the realisation that the debt is being managed not simply cleared ahead of any spending. I could go on but life's too short.

You're right about the £100m, though. I think this figure is one of many myths being propagated through the media right now that we need to be careful about. I wonder if, in a couple of months, the media will come back and tell us it was a 'mis-truth' spouted by the club.
its straight from the poopey school of accounting stras! £30mill for the training ground to be paid over the next 2 years? so the builders haven't had a penny in the years they've been building it? I think I will get an extension built, expect the builder to pay for everything and then pay it off in 3 years time!
the transfer debt and training ground will have ben accounted for over the last few years, funds will have been allocated for both of those which will include money from the TV deals. its not just a sky deal there is money from the overseas tv licencing as well.

as for the £100mill, it was rumoured in many places that the club had £50mill to spend plus any monies from player sales, that's where the figure comes from! even if we `only` spent £60mill that is a huge amount for us!
I doubt we will spend £100mill this summer as I expect whatever transfer kitty we have will be split between this window and the jan window. so no one should moan if we don't spend £100mill between now and the end of the window!
The training ground would of been paid off monthly which is the way construction works. Saints had a debt of just over 11 million in their championship season and over 7 million in their first premier season. Making 19 million debt. The major expense comes in the initial works of constructing the structure which would of been at the beginning obviously.
If they had borrowed to pay it then it would be reflected in accounts and shown.
The first season saw a income of 76 million and this season has seen an estimated 114 million. Which is an increase of some 42 million . They carried across some of the payment of transfer monies to this new season which is quite common practice in major football clubs. Take the 22 million owed on that still leaves them with 20 million plus income on the previous season.
As for transfer kitty that was the stumbling block in reference to Koeman coming. He was promised a substantial transfer kitty plus cash for any players sold. its not unreasonable as in previous seasons 30 million was promised at least. Plus fifty from the players sold so far makes 70-80 mil. Which will be added to if anymore are sold.
We have done the right thing brought in a very experienced strong manager and the emphasis maybe on the strength of the manager rather than chairman now. IMO he will have a major influence in the club as a whole.
We haven't financial problems, we need to move out those that do not want to play, the past is gone and now we need to look towards the future and I believe it can still be good, but we need to get all the nonsense out the way.
Good point, MR, likewise steekeemcglue and PSK above you.

Well, bed beckons and some happier news is but a sleep or two away.

Night all.
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ... Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .[/p][/quote]I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m. There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now. There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this. Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m. This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo. That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need. If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season. COYR&WS The art[/p][/quote]I'm glad neither of you are my accountant, there are some serious flaws in your figures, not least in the realisation that the debt is being managed not simply cleared ahead of any spending. I could go on but life's too short. You're right about the £100m, though. I think this figure is one of many myths being propagated through the media right now that we need to be careful about. I wonder if, in a couple of months, the media will come back and tell us it was a 'mis-truth' spouted by the club.[/p][/quote]its straight from the poopey school of accounting stras! £30mill for the training ground to be paid over the next 2 years? so the builders haven't had a penny in the years they've been building it? I think I will get an extension built, expect the builder to pay for everything and then pay it off in 3 years time! the transfer debt and training ground will have ben accounted for over the last few years, funds will have been allocated for both of those which will include money from the TV deals. its not just a sky deal there is money from the overseas tv licencing as well. as for the £100mill, it was rumoured in many places that the club had £50mill to spend plus any monies from player sales, that's where the figure comes from! even if we `only` spent £60mill that is a huge amount for us! I doubt we will spend £100mill this summer as I expect whatever transfer kitty we have will be split between this window and the jan window. so no one should moan if we don't spend £100mill between now and the end of the window![/p][/quote]The training ground would of been paid off monthly which is the way construction works. Saints had a debt of just over 11 million in their championship season and over 7 million in their first premier season. Making 19 million debt. The major expense comes in the initial works of constructing the structure which would of been at the beginning obviously. If they had borrowed to pay it then it would be reflected in accounts and shown. The first season saw a income of 76 million and this season has seen an estimated 114 million. Which is an increase of some 42 million . They carried across some of the payment of transfer monies to this new season which is quite common practice in major football clubs. Take the 22 million owed on that still leaves them with 20 million plus income on the previous season. As for transfer kitty that was the stumbling block in reference to Koeman coming. He was promised a substantial transfer kitty plus cash for any players sold. its not unreasonable as in previous seasons 30 million was promised at least. Plus fifty from the players sold so far makes 70-80 mil. Which will be added to if anymore are sold. We have done the right thing brought in a very experienced strong manager and the emphasis maybe on the strength of the manager rather than chairman now. IMO he will have a major influence in the club as a whole. We haven't financial problems, we need to move out those that do not want to play, the past is gone and now we need to look towards the future and I believe it can still be good, but we need to get all the nonsense out the way.[/p][/quote]Good point, MR, likewise steekeemcglue and PSK above you. Well, bed beckons and some happier news is but a sleep or two away. Night all. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 0

11:22pm Mon 7 Jul 14

angus mc coatup says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
M.U.CS1 wrote:
Matt Le Tossier was a good player, but never had the bottle to move to a bigger team, big fish in a small pond was all he ever was ! How many England caps did he get ?
Skate pr!ck. No sorry - Jealous Skate pr!ck.
His name sums him up.

Backwards Scum.....
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Matt Le Tossier was a good player, but never had the bottle to move to a bigger team, big fish in a small pond was all he ever was ! How many England caps did he get ?[/p][/quote]Skate pr!ck. No sorry - Jealous Skate pr!ck.[/p][/quote]His name sums him up. Backwards Scum..... angus mc coatup
  • Score: 2

11:31pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
M.U.CS1 wrote:
Matt Le Tossier was a good player, but never had the bottle to move to a bigger team, big fish in a small pond was all he ever was ! How many England caps did he get ?
Skate pr!ck. No sorry - Jealous Skate pr!ck.
His name sums him up.

Backwards Scum.....
Well spotted angus, I didn't see that but I could smell the cnut!
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Matt Le Tossier was a good player, but never had the bottle to move to a bigger team, big fish in a small pond was all he ever was ! How many England caps did he get ?[/p][/quote]Skate pr!ck. No sorry - Jealous Skate pr!ck.[/p][/quote]His name sums him up. Backwards Scum.....[/p][/quote]Well spotted angus, I didn't see that but I could smell the cnut! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 10

12:01am Tue 8 Jul 14

angus mc coatup says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
M.U.CS1 wrote:
Matt Le Tossier was a good player, but never had the bottle to move to a bigger team, big fish in a small pond was all he ever was ! How many England caps did he get ?
Skate pr!ck. No sorry - Jealous Skate pr!ck.
His name sums him up.

Backwards Scum.....
Well spotted angus, I didn't see that but I could smell the cnut!
That really did make me laugh out loud.....nearly spilt me beer.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Matt Le Tossier was a good player, but never had the bottle to move to a bigger team, big fish in a small pond was all he ever was ! How many England caps did he get ?[/p][/quote]Skate pr!ck. No sorry - Jealous Skate pr!ck.[/p][/quote]His name sums him up. Backwards Scum.....[/p][/quote]Well spotted angus, I didn't see that but I could smell the cnut![/p][/quote]That really did make me laugh out loud.....nearly spilt me beer. angus mc coatup
  • Score: 2

12:02am Tue 8 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
The thing is, while ML was alive and NC at the helm, NC could be as ambitious as he liked knowing that ML backed him. Unfortunately, KL didn't offer that same degree of backing, or so it would seem. It all comes from Ml's unfortunate death as far as I am concerned. Anyway, that's all history now. Time to move on, deal with the fall out, get as much dosh as we can for anyone we don't want to keep for whatever reason, get some new players in as soon as we can so they get a full pre-season in and then try to finish as high as we can in the league (same as last season, the one before than and all the others). La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme...or something like that...I'm sure we'll all be there on the edge of our seats next season watching some great games.
After Markus died, Cortese was in charge of the estate until KL inherited. During that period there was no one to oversee or "back" his spending.
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: The thing is, while ML was alive and NC at the helm, NC could be as ambitious as he liked knowing that ML backed him. Unfortunately, KL didn't offer that same degree of backing, or so it would seem. It all comes from Ml's unfortunate death as far as I am concerned. Anyway, that's all history now. Time to move on, deal with the fall out, get as much dosh as we can for anyone we don't want to keep for whatever reason, get some new players in as soon as we can so they get a full pre-season in and then try to finish as high as we can in the league (same as last season, the one before than and all the others). La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme...or something like that...I'm sure we'll all be there on the edge of our seats next season watching some great games.[/p][/quote]After Markus died, Cortese was in charge of the estate until KL inherited. During that period there was no one to oversee or "back" his spending. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

12:19am Tue 8 Jul 14

angus mc coatup says...

Today is Markus Liebherr day.

Well it is in my house anyway.

Thank you Mr Liebherr,
The recent goings on at our club are a stain on your legacy. We owe you big time.
Today is Markus Liebherr day. Well it is in my house anyway. Thank you Mr Liebherr, The recent goings on at our club are a stain on your legacy. We owe you big time. angus mc coatup
  • Score: 4

12:31am Tue 8 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ...

Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans

I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .
I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m.

There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now.

There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this.
Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m.

This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo.

That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need.

If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season.

COYR&WS

The art
Simple arithmetic is not the same as accounting.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: There are some amazingly gullible fools on this site ... Ive read people saying -'we have a 100m war chest to spend '...ahem , said who ??? Its nonsense paper talk , or wishful thinking from deluded fans I will be shocked if we spend 60 . Ms Liebherr has no intention of spending one penny more than is necessary to maintain our PL status .[/p][/quote]I too have been amazed at where they think this £100m is coming from, we will have only about £40m to spend not £100m. There is a £27m transfer dedicate to be paid (£22m this summer & £5m next). Then there is the training ground to pay for circa £30m which Katarina has only loaded some finance for to be paid back say half now and rest over, say next two years. Therefore a total of about £40m is owed now. There is obviously the clubs income especially the bumper TV money and merchandising, but most of this will have to pay overheads & salaries of players and all the staff etc. There will probably be no more than £30m at best that is available available from this. Then we have the transfer income with £4m for Ricky, £27m for Luke and £23m for Adam less about £6 to give Bournemouth. Add the sale of fringe players for say £2m totaling about £80m. This leaves a surplus available for the transfer fund of about £40m at the most, so realistically we will only be spending this amount plus anything from any further sales including Osvaldo. That should be enough for 4 or 5 quality players then get a couple on loan and one or two who are out of contract on a free, and we have got the 8 players that we need. If RonKo gets the right players in then we will be stronger next season. COYR&WS The art[/p][/quote]Simple arithmetic is not the same as accounting. Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

12:48am Tue 8 Jul 14

deepheat says...

Dutch papers reporting.

Tadic in England for medical examination 08-07-2014, 00:05

Translated

- Dusan Tadic arrived in Southampton, England to complete his transfer. The star player of FC Twente Tuesday undergoes a medical examination at the new club coach Ronald Koeman.

FC Twente would receive approximately fourteen million Euros for the Serb. That amount will then be paid in three installments. Hakim Ziyech SC Heerenveen would be the successor of Tadic in Enschede.

http://translate.goo
gleusercontent.com/t
ranslate_c?depth=1&h
l=en&rurl=translate.
google.com&tl=en&u=h
ttp://www.sportdome.
nl/Nieuws/69389-Tadi
c-in-Engeland-voor-m
edische-keuring.html
&usg=ALkJrhhed5oA1dH
zhTUJ05ID9QgGFlEljA
Dutch papers reporting. Tadic in England for medical examination 08-07-2014, 00:05 Translated - Dusan Tadic arrived in Southampton, England to complete his transfer. The star player of FC Twente Tuesday undergoes a medical examination at the new club coach Ronald Koeman. FC Twente would receive approximately fourteen million Euros for the Serb. That amount will then be paid in three installments. Hakim Ziyech SC Heerenveen would be the successor of Tadic in Enschede. http://translate.goo gleusercontent.com/t ranslate_c?depth=1&h l=en&rurl=translate. google.com&tl=en&u=h ttp://www.sportdome. nl/Nieuws/69389-Tadi c-in-Engeland-voor-m edische-keuring.html &usg=ALkJrhhed5oA1dH zhTUJ05ID9QgGFlEljA deepheat
  • Score: 4

5:55am Tue 8 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
Today is Markus Liebherr day.

Well it is in my house anyway.

Thank you Mr Liebherr,
The recent goings on at our club are a stain on your legacy. We owe you big time.
Are you blubbing?
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: Today is Markus Liebherr day. Well it is in my house anyway. Thank you Mr Liebherr, The recent goings on at our club are a stain on your legacy. We owe you big time.[/p][/quote]Are you blubbing? redandy10
  • Score: 7

5:59am Tue 8 Jul 14

redandy10 says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
The Rise of The Foot Soldier. wrote:
BOOTED OUT in SFC HALL OF SHAME - lala shaw and lambert.

Fans seem indifferent to shaw - angry at lala refusing to playfor SFC again and still like lambert although his move was the catalyst for lala and unsettllng lovren.

SAINTS FANS will decide themselves whether they applaud this type of behaviour at Liversh!te AWAY and the rest of Seasons games.

JUDAS (MP) will be in for STICK as there will be needle at the Spuds game.

4Get any rivalry with Wet Spam this Season - it suits them and NOT US - they are a lower league Premier League Club - END OF.

ADVANCE NOTICE - We all meet in the CENTRAL about 400 yards from the Ground to grab a few beers. There is a division between the Spam and us and bouncers on the doors.

When they chant - WHO ARE YER ? (yawn) at the Ground Home and Away.

We are SOUTHAMPTON - Number 1 in the South. COYR+WS
cobblers.... Lallana's move to Liverpool was engineered before Sir Rickies, his was more a last minute thing and no one can blame him for a couple of pension-generating years at Liverpool. People talk on here like these ar5eholes were irreplaceable . they are not. We may take one step back this season in our sh1t kit to take two steps forward but thats part of football cycles... Manure are in for a shock, they will not finish top 4 this coming season... Sir Rickie left with grace and he gave us his best years , he knows he is off to play cameos at Liverpool but thats fair enough for him at his stage of career. Anyway regards the rest its a good dose of realism for muppets ( including me ) who forgot that many footballers despise the fans and frankly only care about themselves.
Although saying that some footballers "despise the fans",may on the face of it,sound a little harsh,there may be a little truth in it.I can remember reading Gordon Strachan's biography,and getting the feeling that the fans weren't exactly at the the top of his priority list,but then again,who can blame him after the vilification he received at the hand of the Coventry fans.
At the end of the day,they are professionals, doing a job of work,so we,the fans are just a means to an end.I've no doubt that after just scoring a goal,all the badge kissing,and running to the fans does have some meaning for them for that brief moment in time,but in the cold light of day,we are just an irrelevance on their personal path to glory.
I'm pretty sure that most kids growing up and starting to play football,do it for the excitement and the passion initially,and if they remain only as amateurs,probably for the rest of their playing days,but the rigours and stresses of professional football must certainly introduce a certain amount of ruthless cynicism into their attitudes to the game,which we as amateur watchers will find a little distasteful,and disappointing from time to time,and certainly at times like this.
I once had the privilege to talk at length to Matty while he was still playing and under the "stewardship" of the illustrious Branfoot... I have met him a few times since , but on that one occasion I got to hear about him and what drove him. He was a family man and was driven by the simple pleasure of playing football. He wanted to stay at Saints because it was close to his family and he said he felt he "belonged here". regards the fans he said genuinely : "Its what makes the game". I also at the same time spoke to Dowie who had just been told by Branfoot to sit out a couple of games due to the hostility of the Saints fans and he told me "the fans hold no fear for me , I love the game and I love the banter , the fans at Saints are amongst the best". Two very genuine people.... neither were motivated by money and neither had anything other than the highest regard for the fans even though one was be slaughtered but them. And even Branfoot took the time to talk to me about Matty and how he struggled to get him to perform for him etc etc etc , but again was very gracious when speaking about the fans ( it was at the height of the abuse he used to get ). That was a different era I know but who knows once we get shot of this poisonous group of players we could once again have a club with players who yes want to earn money but maybe want to give us that something else...
A really interesting post!
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rise of The Foot Soldier.[/bold] wrote: BOOTED OUT in SFC HALL OF SHAME - lala shaw and lambert. Fans seem indifferent to shaw - angry at lala refusing to playfor SFC again and still like lambert although his move was the catalyst for lala and unsettllng lovren. SAINTS FANS will decide themselves whether they applaud this type of behaviour at Liversh!te AWAY and the rest of Seasons games. JUDAS (MP) will be in for STICK as there will be needle at the Spuds game. 4Get any rivalry with Wet Spam this Season - it suits them and NOT US - they are a lower league Premier League Club - END OF. ADVANCE NOTICE - We all meet in the CENTRAL about 400 yards from the Ground to grab a few beers. There is a division between the Spam and us and bouncers on the doors. When they chant - WHO ARE YER ? (yawn) at the Ground Home and Away. We are SOUTHAMPTON - Number 1 in the South. COYR+WS[/p][/quote]cobblers.... Lallana's move to Liverpool was engineered before Sir Rickies, his was more a last minute thing and no one can blame him for a couple of pension-generating years at Liverpool. People talk on here like these ar5eholes were irreplaceable . they are not. We may take one step back this season in our sh1t kit to take two steps forward but thats part of football cycles... Manure are in for a shock, they will not finish top 4 this coming season... Sir Rickie left with grace and he gave us his best years , he knows he is off to play cameos at Liverpool but thats fair enough for him at his stage of career. Anyway regards the rest its a good dose of realism for muppets ( including me ) who forgot that many footballers despise the fans and frankly only care about themselves.[/p][/quote]Although saying that some footballers "despise the fans",may on the face of it,sound a little harsh,there may be a little truth in it.I can remember reading Gordon Strachan's biography,and getting the feeling that the fans weren't exactly at the the top of his priority list,but then again,who can blame him after the vilification he received at the hand of the Coventry fans. At the end of the day,they are professionals, doing a job of work,so we,the fans are just a means to an end.I've no doubt that after just scoring a goal,all the badge kissing,and running to the fans does have some meaning for them for that brief moment in time,but in the cold light of day,we are just an irrelevance on their personal path to glory. I'm pretty sure that most kids growing up and starting to play football,do it for the excitement and the passion initially,and if they remain only as amateurs,probably for the rest of their playing days,but the rigours and stresses of professional football must certainly introduce a certain amount of ruthless cynicism into their attitudes to the game,which we as amateur watchers will find a little distasteful,and disappointing from time to time,and certainly at times like this.[/p][/quote]I once had the privilege to talk at length to Matty while he was still playing and under the "stewardship" of the illustrious Branfoot... I have met him a few times since , but on that one occasion I got to hear about him and what drove him. He was a family man and was driven by the simple pleasure of playing football. He wanted to stay at Saints because it was close to his family and he said he felt he "belonged here". regards the fans he said genuinely : "Its what makes the game". I also at the same time spoke to Dowie who had just been told by Branfoot to sit out a couple of games due to the hostility of the Saints fans and he told me "the fans hold no fear for me , I love the game and I love the banter , the fans at Saints are amongst the best". Two very genuine people.... neither were motivated by money and neither had anything other than the highest regard for the fans even though one was be slaughtered but them. And even Branfoot took the time to talk to me about Matty and how he struggled to get him to perform for him etc etc etc , but again was very gracious when speaking about the fans ( it was at the height of the abuse he used to get ). That was a different era I know but who knows once we get shot of this poisonous group of players we could once again have a club with players who yes want to earn money but maybe want to give us that something else...[/p][/quote]A really interesting post! redandy10
  • Score: 5

6:32am Tue 8 Jul 14

exiled in devon says...

exiled in devon says...

For all the good NC did at Saints it is significant that when KL called him to account ,as is her perogative as owner of the club,NC's attitude changed! If he could not be in sole charge then mischief was going to follow:He would not accept new terms and conditions-He suddenly began to give interviews(:up til then He had been as vocal as a trappist monk!)I think it is also significant that almost all of the unsettled people who have moved or expressed a wish to move ,are those who were closest to him.I find it sad that all that all the rhetoric from those involved ultimately proved to be hollow words.
All true saints need to get behind kl,the board,the staff,and especially the players-we'll come through -we are SAINTS!
exiled in devon says... For all the good NC did at Saints it is significant that when KL called him to account ,as is her perogative as owner of the club,NC's attitude changed! If he could not be in sole charge then mischief was going to follow:He would not accept new terms and conditions-He suddenly began to give interviews(:up til then He had been as vocal as a trappist monk!)I think it is also significant that almost all of the unsettled people who have moved or expressed a wish to move ,are those who were closest to him.I find it sad that all that all the rhetoric from those involved ultimately proved to be hollow words. All true saints need to get behind kl,the board,the staff,and especially the players-we'll come through -we are SAINTS! exiled in devon
  • Score: 3

7:25am Tue 8 Jul 14

Thetruthteller2 says...

I really hope, no beg #saintsfc NOT to sell the mercenary Lovren, I hope he put into the reserves & lost to rot, treat him with the complete contempt he has shown us! We don't need the money, make an example of him, make a stand against the greed ruining our game!
I really hope, no beg #saintsfc NOT to sell the mercenary Lovren, I hope he put into the reserves & lost to rot, treat him with the complete contempt he has shown us! We don't need the money, make an example of him, make a stand against the greed ruining our game! Thetruthteller2
  • Score: 4

7:53am Tue 8 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
The thing is, while ML was alive and NC at the helm, NC could be as ambitious as he liked knowing that ML backed him. Unfortunately, KL didn't offer that same degree of backing, or so it would seem. It all comes from Ml's unfortunate death as far as I am concerned. Anyway, that's all history now. Time to move on, deal with the fall out, get as much dosh as we can for anyone we don't want to keep for whatever reason, get some new players in as soon as we can so they get a full pre-season in and then try to finish as high as we can in the league (same as last season, the one before than and all the others). La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme...or something like that...I'm sure we'll all be there on the edge of our seats next season watching some great games.
After Markus died, Cortese was in charge of the estate until KL inherited. During that period there was no one to oversee or "back" his spending.
completely incorrect. NC was not in charge of the Leibherr estate at any time. He was an employee. When Marcus died, lawyers transferred ownership of his estate to the his family as per his wishes. NC at no point was involved in this. He was just a mate of the Leibherrs on their payroll. You may have read an article that stated Katharina was not 18 when ML passed away but that was not the case, so there was no "until" she inherited , she "did" inherit. The money behind this club has only ever belonged to two people and had never been treated by them as anything other than an investment/hobby.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: The thing is, while ML was alive and NC at the helm, NC could be as ambitious as he liked knowing that ML backed him. Unfortunately, KL didn't offer that same degree of backing, or so it would seem. It all comes from Ml's unfortunate death as far as I am concerned. Anyway, that's all history now. Time to move on, deal with the fall out, get as much dosh as we can for anyone we don't want to keep for whatever reason, get some new players in as soon as we can so they get a full pre-season in and then try to finish as high as we can in the league (same as last season, the one before than and all the others). La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme...or something like that...I'm sure we'll all be there on the edge of our seats next season watching some great games.[/p][/quote]After Markus died, Cortese was in charge of the estate until KL inherited. During that period there was no one to oversee or "back" his spending.[/p][/quote]completely incorrect. NC was not in charge of the Leibherr estate at any time. He was an employee. When Marcus died, lawyers transferred ownership of his estate to the his family as per his wishes. NC at no point was involved in this. He was just a mate of the Leibherrs on their payroll. You may have read an article that stated Katharina was not 18 when ML passed away but that was not the case, so there was no "until" she inherited , she "did" inherit. The money behind this club has only ever belonged to two people and had never been treated by them as anything other than an investment/hobby. steekeemcglue
  • Score: 5

8:31am Tue 8 Jul 14

andy newbury says...

great article by the DE, i will just be glad when all this " unrest" can be forgotten about and deal with supporting our saints team once again, hopefully WITHOUT lovren if the powers that be decide to move him on, anywhere but liverpool. It is nice to see the response from our supporters once again on this site,it was my understanding that this is what impressed makus about our club, the great following!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!
great article by the DE, i will just be glad when all this " unrest" can be forgotten about and deal with supporting our saints team once again, hopefully WITHOUT lovren if the powers that be decide to move him on, anywhere but liverpool. It is nice to see the response from our supporters once again on this site,it was my understanding that this is what impressed makus about our club, the great following!!!!!!!!!!! !!! andy newbury
  • Score: 2

9:24am Tue 8 Jul 14

el caballo santos101 says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
The thing is, while ML was alive and NC at the helm, NC could be as ambitious as he liked knowing that ML backed him. Unfortunately, KL didn't offer that same degree of backing, or so it would seem. It all comes from Ml's unfortunate death as far as I am concerned. Anyway, that's all history now. Time to move on, deal with the fall out, get as much dosh as we can for anyone we don't want to keep for whatever reason, get some new players in as soon as we can so they get a full pre-season in and then try to finish as high as we can in the league (same as last season, the one before than and all the others). La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme...or something like that...I'm sure we'll all be there on the edge of our seats next season watching some great games.
After Markus died, Cortese was in charge of the estate until KL inherited. During that period there was no one to oversee or "back" his spending.
completely incorrect. NC was not in charge of the Leibherr estate at any time. He was an employee. When Marcus died, lawyers transferred ownership of his estate to the his family as per his wishes. NC at no point was involved in this. He was just a mate of the Leibherrs on their payroll. You may have read an article that stated Katharina was not 18 when ML passed away but that was not the case, so there was no "until" she inherited , she "did" inherit. The money behind this club has only ever belonged to two people and had never been treated by them as anything other than an investment/hobby.
Oh dear you've made yourself look a bit stupid there!
After ST Markus's death the club was run by the Markus liebherr trust, the chairman of which was the one and only NC! Or in other words he was effectively his own boss. The club was held in trust as per the instructions of ST Markus, who knew his time was up, he left significant funds in the trust so that the club would be financially secure. KL took over ownership of the club late last year around October time I believe. Just over 3yrs after the passing of ST Markus. In fact it was debated at the time after some eagle eyed person, may have been osprey, spotted that the ownership had changed on the OS from Markus liebherr trust (I think that's what it was) to Katharina liebherr!
Seed brought up that NC was his own boss many times on these threads and as I said we talked about KL becoming owner in her own right on these same threads!
Think about it for a minute, if KL took over straight after ST Markus died why did she wait 3 years to give herself a seat on the board?
As for the them both only treating the club as nothing over than an investment/hobby, how disrespectful can you be about ST Markus! It was clear for anyone to see that he had a real affection for the club, just look at his beaming face at the jpt final. Or as I said remember that he put large funds into a trust for the club so that he wanted it to never get into financial difficulties again, I don't think an investor would care enough to do that nor would a person who treated the club as a mere hobby.
Try going back through the history of the club and what everyone has said before making poorly thought out comments!
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: The thing is, while ML was alive and NC at the helm, NC could be as ambitious as he liked knowing that ML backed him. Unfortunately, KL didn't offer that same degree of backing, or so it would seem. It all comes from Ml's unfortunate death as far as I am concerned. Anyway, that's all history now. Time to move on, deal with the fall out, get as much dosh as we can for anyone we don't want to keep for whatever reason, get some new players in as soon as we can so they get a full pre-season in and then try to finish as high as we can in the league (same as last season, the one before than and all the others). La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme...or something like that...I'm sure we'll all be there on the edge of our seats next season watching some great games.[/p][/quote]After Markus died, Cortese was in charge of the estate until KL inherited. During that period there was no one to oversee or "back" his spending.[/p][/quote]completely incorrect. NC was not in charge of the Leibherr estate at any time. He was an employee. When Marcus died, lawyers transferred ownership of his estate to the his family as per his wishes. NC at no point was involved in this. He was just a mate of the Leibherrs on their payroll. You may have read an article that stated Katharina was not 18 when ML passed away but that was not the case, so there was no "until" she inherited , she "did" inherit. The money behind this club has only ever belonged to two people and had never been treated by them as anything other than an investment/hobby.[/p][/quote]Oh dear you've made yourself look a bit stupid there! After ST Markus's death the club was run by the Markus liebherr trust, the chairman of which was the one and only NC! Or in other words he was effectively his own boss. The club was held in trust as per the instructions of ST Markus, who knew his time was up, he left significant funds in the trust so that the club would be financially secure. KL took over ownership of the club late last year around October time I believe. Just over 3yrs after the passing of ST Markus. In fact it was debated at the time after some eagle eyed person, may have been osprey, spotted that the ownership had changed on the OS from Markus liebherr trust (I think that's what it was) to Katharina liebherr! Seed brought up that NC was his own boss many times on these threads and as I said we talked about KL becoming owner in her own right on these same threads! Think about it for a minute, if KL took over straight after ST Markus died why did she wait 3 years to give herself a seat on the board? As for the them both only treating the club as nothing over than an investment/hobby, how disrespectful can you be about ST Markus! It was clear for anyone to see that he had a real affection for the club, just look at his beaming face at the jpt final. Or as I said remember that he put large funds into a trust for the club so that he wanted it to never get into financial difficulties again, I don't think an investor would care enough to do that nor would a person who treated the club as a mere hobby. Try going back through the history of the club and what everyone has said before making poorly thought out comments! el caballo santos101
  • Score: -9

10:32am Tue 8 Jul 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Oh look -5 thumbs down on my last post, looks like Sammybraincells is about again!
Oh look -5 thumbs down on my last post, looks like Sammybraincells is about again! el caballo santos101
  • Score: -1

2:11pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
The thing is, while ML was alive and NC at the helm, NC could be as ambitious as he liked knowing that ML backed him. Unfortunately, KL didn't offer that same degree of backing, or so it would seem. It all comes from Ml's unfortunate death as far as I am concerned. Anyway, that's all history now. Time to move on, deal with the fall out, get as much dosh as we can for anyone we don't want to keep for whatever reason, get some new players in as soon as we can so they get a full pre-season in and then try to finish as high as we can in the league (same as last season, the one before than and all the others). La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme...or something like that...I'm sure we'll all be there on the edge of our seats next season watching some great games.
After Markus died, Cortese was in charge of the estate until KL inherited. During that period there was no one to oversee or "back" his spending.
completely incorrect. NC was not in charge of the Leibherr estate at any time. He was an employee. When Marcus died, lawyers transferred ownership of his estate to the his family as per his wishes. NC at no point was involved in this. He was just a mate of the Leibherrs on their payroll. You may have read an article that stated Katharina was not 18 when ML passed away but that was not the case, so there was no "until" she inherited , she "did" inherit. The money behind this club has only ever belonged to two people and had never been treated by them as anything other than an investment/hobby.
I stand corrected. Thanks.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: The thing is, while ML was alive and NC at the helm, NC could be as ambitious as he liked knowing that ML backed him. Unfortunately, KL didn't offer that same degree of backing, or so it would seem. It all comes from Ml's unfortunate death as far as I am concerned. Anyway, that's all history now. Time to move on, deal with the fall out, get as much dosh as we can for anyone we don't want to keep for whatever reason, get some new players in as soon as we can so they get a full pre-season in and then try to finish as high as we can in the league (same as last season, the one before than and all the others). La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme...or something like that...I'm sure we'll all be there on the edge of our seats next season watching some great games.[/p][/quote]After Markus died, Cortese was in charge of the estate until KL inherited. During that period there was no one to oversee or "back" his spending.[/p][/quote]completely incorrect. NC was not in charge of the Leibherr estate at any time. He was an employee. When Marcus died, lawyers transferred ownership of his estate to the his family as per his wishes. NC at no point was involved in this. He was just a mate of the Leibherrs on their payroll. You may have read an article that stated Katharina was not 18 when ML passed away but that was not the case, so there was no "until" she inherited , she "did" inherit. The money behind this club has only ever belonged to two people and had never been treated by them as anything other than an investment/hobby.[/p][/quote]I stand corrected. Thanks. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

2:15pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Rising_Son says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
The thing is, while ML was alive and NC at the helm, NC could be as ambitious as he liked knowing that ML backed him. Unfortunately, KL didn't offer that same degree of backing, or so it would seem. It all comes from Ml's unfortunate death as far as I am concerned. Anyway, that's all history now. Time to move on, deal with the fall out, get as much dosh as we can for anyone we don't want to keep for whatever reason, get some new players in as soon as we can so they get a full pre-season in and then try to finish as high as we can in the league (same as last season, the one before than and all the others). La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme...or something like that...I'm sure we'll all be there on the edge of our seats next season watching some great games.
After Markus died, Cortese was in charge of the estate until KL inherited. During that period there was no one to oversee or "back" his spending.
completely incorrect. NC was not in charge of the Leibherr estate at any time. He was an employee. When Marcus died, lawyers transferred ownership of his estate to the his family as per his wishes. NC at no point was involved in this. He was just a mate of the Leibherrs on their payroll. You may have read an article that stated Katharina was not 18 when ML passed away but that was not the case, so there was no "until" she inherited , she "did" inherit. The money behind this club has only ever belonged to two people and had never been treated by them as anything other than an investment/hobby.
Oh dear you've made yourself look a bit stupid there!
After ST Markus's death the club was run by the Markus liebherr trust, the chairman of which was the one and only NC! Or in other words he was effectively his own boss. The club was held in trust as per the instructions of ST Markus, who knew his time was up, he left significant funds in the trust so that the club would be financially secure. KL took over ownership of the club late last year around October time I believe. Just over 3yrs after the passing of ST Markus. In fact it was debated at the time after some eagle eyed person, may have been osprey, spotted that the ownership had changed on the OS from Markus liebherr trust (I think that's what it was) to Katharina liebherr!
Seed brought up that NC was his own boss many times on these threads and as I said we talked about KL becoming owner in her own right on these same threads!
Think about it for a minute, if KL took over straight after ST Markus died why did she wait 3 years to give herself a seat on the board?
As for the them both only treating the club as nothing over than an investment/hobby, how disrespectful can you be about ST Markus! It was clear for anyone to see that he had a real affection for the club, just look at his beaming face at the jpt final. Or as I said remember that he put large funds into a trust for the club so that he wanted it to never get into financial difficulties again, I don't think an investor would care enough to do that nor would a person who treated the club as a mere hobby.
Try going back through the history of the club and what everyone has said before making poorly thought out comments!
Maybe I should stand sort of uncorrected.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: The thing is, while ML was alive and NC at the helm, NC could be as ambitious as he liked knowing that ML backed him. Unfortunately, KL didn't offer that same degree of backing, or so it would seem. It all comes from Ml's unfortunate death as far as I am concerned. Anyway, that's all history now. Time to move on, deal with the fall out, get as much dosh as we can for anyone we don't want to keep for whatever reason, get some new players in as soon as we can so they get a full pre-season in and then try to finish as high as we can in the league (same as last season, the one before than and all the others). La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme...or something like that...I'm sure we'll all be there on the edge of our seats next season watching some great games.[/p][/quote]After Markus died, Cortese was in charge of the estate until KL inherited. During that period there was no one to oversee or "back" his spending.[/p][/quote]completely incorrect. NC was not in charge of the Leibherr estate at any time. He was an employee. When Marcus died, lawyers transferred ownership of his estate to the his family as per his wishes. NC at no point was involved in this. He was just a mate of the Leibherrs on their payroll. You may have read an article that stated Katharina was not 18 when ML passed away but that was not the case, so there was no "until" she inherited , she "did" inherit. The money behind this club has only ever belonged to two people and had never been treated by them as anything other than an investment/hobby.[/p][/quote]Oh dear you've made yourself look a bit stupid there! After ST Markus's death the club was run by the Markus liebherr trust, the chairman of which was the one and only NC! Or in other words he was effectively his own boss. The club was held in trust as per the instructions of ST Markus, who knew his time was up, he left significant funds in the trust so that the club would be financially secure. KL took over ownership of the club late last year around October time I believe. Just over 3yrs after the passing of ST Markus. In fact it was debated at the time after some eagle eyed person, may have been osprey, spotted that the ownership had changed on the OS from Markus liebherr trust (I think that's what it was) to Katharina liebherr! Seed brought up that NC was his own boss many times on these threads and as I said we talked about KL becoming owner in her own right on these same threads! Think about it for a minute, if KL took over straight after ST Markus died why did she wait 3 years to give herself a seat on the board? As for the them both only treating the club as nothing over than an investment/hobby, how disrespectful can you be about ST Markus! It was clear for anyone to see that he had a real affection for the club, just look at his beaming face at the jpt final. Or as I said remember that he put large funds into a trust for the club so that he wanted it to never get into financial difficulties again, I don't think an investor would care enough to do that nor would a person who treated the club as a mere hobby. Try going back through the history of the club and what everyone has said before making poorly thought out comments![/p][/quote]Maybe I should stand sort of uncorrected. Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

8:37pm Tue 8 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
The thing is, while ML was alive and NC at the helm, NC could be as ambitious as he liked knowing that ML backed him. Unfortunately, KL didn't offer that same degree of backing, or so it would seem. It all comes from Ml's unfortunate death as far as I am concerned. Anyway, that's all history now. Time to move on, deal with the fall out, get as much dosh as we can for anyone we don't want to keep for whatever reason, get some new players in as soon as we can so they get a full pre-season in and then try to finish as high as we can in the league (same as last season, the one before than and all the others). La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme...or something like that...I'm sure we'll all be there on the edge of our seats next season watching some great games.
After Markus died, Cortese was in charge of the estate until KL inherited. During that period there was no one to oversee or "back" his spending.
completely incorrect. NC was not in charge of the Leibherr estate at any time. He was an employee. When Marcus died, lawyers transferred ownership of his estate to the his family as per his wishes. NC at no point was involved in this. He was just a mate of the Leibherrs on their payroll. You may have read an article that stated Katharina was not 18 when ML passed away but that was not the case, so there was no "until" she inherited , she "did" inherit. The money behind this club has only ever belonged to two people and had never been treated by them as anything other than an investment/hobby.
Oh dear you've made yourself look a bit stupid there!
After ST Markus's death the club was run by the Markus liebherr trust, the chairman of which was the one and only NC! Or in other words he was effectively his own boss. The club was held in trust as per the instructions of ST Markus, who knew his time was up, he left significant funds in the trust so that the club would be financially secure. KL took over ownership of the club late last year around October time I believe. Just over 3yrs after the passing of ST Markus. In fact it was debated at the time after some eagle eyed person, may have been osprey, spotted that the ownership had changed on the OS from Markus liebherr trust (I think that's what it was) to Katharina liebherr!
Seed brought up that NC was his own boss many times on these threads and as I said we talked about KL becoming owner in her own right on these same threads!
Think about it for a minute, if KL took over straight after ST Markus died why did she wait 3 years to give herself a seat on the board?
As for the them both only treating the club as nothing over than an investment/hobby, how disrespectful can you be about ST Markus! It was clear for anyone to see that he had a real affection for the club, just look at his beaming face at the jpt final. Or as I said remember that he put large funds into a trust for the club so that he wanted it to never get into financial difficulties again, I don't think an investor would care enough to do that nor would a person who treated the club as a mere hobby.
Try going back through the history of the club and what everyone has said before making poorly thought out comments!
Yes, you are right about the change from the Trust to Kat, for a long time the OS had that message about the ownership being in probate.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: The thing is, while ML was alive and NC at the helm, NC could be as ambitious as he liked knowing that ML backed him. Unfortunately, KL didn't offer that same degree of backing, or so it would seem. It all comes from Ml's unfortunate death as far as I am concerned. Anyway, that's all history now. Time to move on, deal with the fall out, get as much dosh as we can for anyone we don't want to keep for whatever reason, get some new players in as soon as we can so they get a full pre-season in and then try to finish as high as we can in the league (same as last season, the one before than and all the others). La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme...or something like that...I'm sure we'll all be there on the edge of our seats next season watching some great games.[/p][/quote]After Markus died, Cortese was in charge of the estate until KL inherited. During that period there was no one to oversee or "back" his spending.[/p][/quote]completely incorrect. NC was not in charge of the Leibherr estate at any time. He was an employee. When Marcus died, lawyers transferred ownership of his estate to the his family as per his wishes. NC at no point was involved in this. He was just a mate of the Leibherrs on their payroll. You may have read an article that stated Katharina was not 18 when ML passed away but that was not the case, so there was no "until" she inherited , she "did" inherit. The money behind this club has only ever belonged to two people and had never been treated by them as anything other than an investment/hobby.[/p][/quote]Oh dear you've made yourself look a bit stupid there! After ST Markus's death the club was run by the Markus liebherr trust, the chairman of which was the one and only NC! Or in other words he was effectively his own boss. The club was held in trust as per the instructions of ST Markus, who knew his time was up, he left significant funds in the trust so that the club would be financially secure. KL took over ownership of the club late last year around October time I believe. Just over 3yrs after the passing of ST Markus. In fact it was debated at the time after some eagle eyed person, may have been osprey, spotted that the ownership had changed on the OS from Markus liebherr trust (I think that's what it was) to Katharina liebherr! Seed brought up that NC was his own boss many times on these threads and as I said we talked about KL becoming owner in her own right on these same threads! Think about it for a minute, if KL took over straight after ST Markus died why did she wait 3 years to give herself a seat on the board? As for the them both only treating the club as nothing over than an investment/hobby, how disrespectful can you be about ST Markus! It was clear for anyone to see that he had a real affection for the club, just look at his beaming face at the jpt final. Or as I said remember that he put large funds into a trust for the club so that he wanted it to never get into financial difficulties again, I don't think an investor would care enough to do that nor would a person who treated the club as a mere hobby. Try going back through the history of the club and what everyone has said before making poorly thought out comments![/p][/quote]Yes, you are right about the change from the Trust to Kat, for a long time the OS had that message about the ownership being in probate. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

8:44pm Tue 8 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
steekeemcglue wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
The thing is, while ML was alive and NC at the helm, NC could be as ambitious as he liked knowing that ML backed him. Unfortunately, KL didn't offer that same degree of backing, or so it would seem. It all comes from Ml's unfortunate death as far as I am concerned. Anyway, that's all history now. Time to move on, deal with the fall out, get as much dosh as we can for anyone we don't want to keep for whatever reason, get some new players in as soon as we can so they get a full pre-season in and then try to finish as high as we can in the league (same as last season, the one before than and all the others). La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme...or something like that...I'm sure we'll all be there on the edge of our seats next season watching some great games.
After Markus died, Cortese was in charge of the estate until KL inherited. During that period there was no one to oversee or "back" his spending.
completely incorrect. NC was not in charge of the Leibherr estate at any time. He was an employee. When Marcus died, lawye